From dd0vs at gmx.de Thu Dec 1 01:16:08 2016 From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 07:16:08 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] IF Out usage with SDRPlay Message-ID: From dd0vs at gmx.de Thu Dec 1 02:34:54 2016 From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 08:34:54 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] IF Out usage with SDRPlay (2nd trial - just repeated sending - content is in - no change) Message-ID: From tomb18 at videotron.ca Thu Dec 1 03:38:53 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2016 03:38:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Aw: Re: [K3] IF Out usage with SDRPlay Message-ID: Hi I forwarded your message to the group.To use the sdrplay with the k3 you must tune the sdrplay to 8.215 mhz and never change it from there. No matter what band is on the radio, the signals will be correct. However you may need to change an offset frequency depending on the software.73 Tom?va2fsq.com? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Harald Fritzsche Date: 2016-12-01 2:47 AM (GMT-05:00) To: tomb18 Subject: Aw: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] IF Out usage with SDRPlay Hello, ? Content is removed by some system, i sent it twice with content :-( ? tnx fr info vy73 Harald DD0VS ? ? Hello Readers, ? i am using an SDRPlay SDR attached to IF out of K3 and was believing, that this device is listen onf IF level. ? But i assume (after reading some articles) that,?when i switch the K3 to 40m and the SDR to 40m, then i see part of the antenna signal passed through the mixer, rigth? ? Thanks for Help ? merry X-Mas vy73 Harald Gesendet:?Donnerstag, 01. Dezember 2016 um 08:02 Uhr Von:?tomb18 An:?"Harald Fritzsche" Betreff:?Re: [Elecraft] [K3] IF Out usage with SDRPlay Your message is blank ? ? ? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. ? -------- Original message -------- From: Harald Fritzsche Date: 2016-12-01 1:16 AM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] IF Out usage with SDRPlay ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com Thu Dec 1 03:42:42 2016 From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 08:42:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 151, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 30/11/16 21:23, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 16:15:45 -0500 > From: Don Wilhelm > To: Richard , elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] SSB TX modulation heard in phones > > Richard, > > FR feedback will not necessarily create a distorted sound, so do not > rule that out. > One of the best checks to see if it is an RFI problem is to operate into > a dummy load. If the problem goes away, it is time for better common > mode chokes on the antenna feedlines. > > 73, > Don W3FPR And / or, the 'phones cable near where it connects into the radio. Ferrite chokes are not that effective at HF frequencies however, so you will need multiple turns on the core, "figure of 8" style (like you'd use to create a wide band "UnUn" transformer.) 73. Dave G0WBX. PS: If anyone on air comments on strange audio, choke the mic lead too! From paimg0uut at btinternet.com Thu Dec 1 04:09:43 2016 From: paimg0uut at btinternet.com (E.P) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 09:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] wanted k2/ is the kx3 is better in what way ? References: <948241334.6913569.1480583383855.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <948241334.6913569.1480583383855@mail.yahoo.com> hi?sorry about this?i am new to elecraft but new to ham radio over 40years?after nice e-mail from??Vicen?? from Spain he correct me ?so i am after?i am after k2 with high serial number 3k or over?with all option [not need to have the 100w amp ]?have to be built by one of the Elecraft builder recommendation please?and in nice good condition in and out i can paypal?thank you kind?vy 73 elan g0uut p.s is any one can tell me if the k2 have TCXO ?is the kx3 is better from the K2 ?in what way ??i may in the end order kx3?thank you?elan g0uut From pa0pje at xs4all.nl Thu Dec 1 04:54:25 2016 From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 10:54:25 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] IF Out usage with SDRPlay (2nd trial - just repeated sending - content is in - no change) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Harald, If you keep sending mail to the reflector as "HTML Only" your message will never be seen. This reflector strips all HTML from mails and accepts only plain text. It strips any attachment too. 73, Peter - PA0PJE Op 2016-12-01 om 08:34 schreef Harald Fritzsche: > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pa0pje at xs4all.nl > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 1 07:49:13 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 07:49:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] wanted k2/ is the kx3 is better in what way ? In-Reply-To: <948241334.6913569.1480583383855@mail.yahoo.com> References: <948241334.6913569.1480583383855.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <948241334.6913569.1480583383855@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9fa639f4-af7c-b6e3-e112-ea4ea3be46e8@embarqmail.com> Elan, The K2 uses a VCO locked to a PLL - not a TCXO. The K2 is an analog transceiver, the KX3 is an SDR. The K2 covers 80 through 10 meters with 60 meters and 160 meters optional. The KX3 covers 160 thru 6 meters. The basic K2 is CW only, SSB is an option. The KX3 is all mode - CW, SSB, AM, FM. The KX3 has a DATA mode with 4 sub-modes. The K2 frequency display is only for one VFO (yes there is both VFO A and VFO B but only one is displayed). The KX3 displays both VFO frequencies. Which one is "better" is up to the user. Many like the analog transceiver and others like the enhanced features available with the KX3. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/1/2016 4:09 AM, E.P wrote: > p.s is any one can tell me if the k2 have TCXO ?is the kx3 is better from the K2 ?in what way ? i may in the end order kx3 thank you elan g0uut From jf.va2ss at icloud.com Thu Dec 1 12:57:28 2016 From: jf.va2ss at icloud.com (=?utf-8?Q?Jean-Fran=C3=A7ois_M=C3=A9nard?=) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2016 12:57:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] wanted k2/ is the kx3 is better in what way ? Message-ID: Hi, I can also add to Don post, if you wish to have a kit building experience the K2 is the way to go. But if you are looking for a ready to operate transceiver, the KX3 coud be a better alternative. A transceiver is more like a pair of running shoes.... it is a very personal choice. :-) 73 de Jeff | VA2SS From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 13:00:02 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 13:00:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR issue with K3 In-Reply-To: <3AA113CD-D99B-40D8-B274-4149A758223A@widomaker.com> References: <1480509051311-7624363.post@n2.nabble.com> <3AA113CD-D99B-40D8-B274-4149A758223A@widomaker.com> Message-ID: Howdy y'all. Happy day. Do hope your holiday season is nicely warming up and causing a smile or two. Mike wrote: >The only thing > that was done was I put up the Christmas lights on our balcony. After the > process of elimination I found the extension cord feeding the lights was the > issue! When the extension cord is removed from the balcony the issue is > solved. As a matter of fact all that has to be done is unpluging it from the > outlet on the balcony. > 73 > Mike > VE3WDM I have watched over the years, with amusement, with exasperation and about everything in between as people blame the little black K3 box in front of them for what was ailing them, even though a little minor statistical work in the Elecraft archives should give them a real distrust of that gut lurch. There is a well-founded reason for that instinctive gut lurch, methinks. Humans have been around way way longer than recorded history, and way, way, way, way longer than electronically equipped humans. Instinctive behavior is formed by an eon of humans making the wrong decision in the instant, and paying for it with their lives. That in turn meant that any progeny with the same unuseful inherited instincts were reduced, perished because of lack of support, or never happened in the first place. The ones with the correct gut lurch lived to have grandchildren. If there actually will be any change in normative instinctive behavior because of electronics in our lives, for sure none of us will be around to see it. Neither will our great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren. No effect on whether we die, no opportunity for any Darwinian effect. So we are stuck with our instinctive gut lurches. One of those instinctive gut lurches is that the thing right in front of us is the problem. Actually that's a good one, if we look over the entire time span of human population. That mean, hungry-looking sabre-tooth tiger right in front of us REALLY IS the problem. The gut lurch that swings into action before we have time to think, it's a life-saver. Then understanding ourselves, if we do not train ourselves to look around when something goes wrong, INSTINCT will direct us to tear apart the K3, just because it's the thing in front of us, even when the trouble is the 15 meter resonant piece of the Christmas decorations. Oh lordy, I love that story. I just about choked on my coffee when I read it. An electronic parable for the ages. 73, y'all and remember to look outside the box before shipping it to Watsonville. Guy K2AV From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Dec 1 13:17:22 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 10:17:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] wanted k2/ is the kx3 is better in what way ? In-Reply-To: <948241334.6913569.1480583383855@mail.yahoo.com> References: <948241334.6913569.1480583383855.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <948241334.6913569.1480583383855@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <439b8ba8-d49e-ef67-6dfd-9bdcfe763b42@socal.rr.com> From dd0vs at gmx.de Thu Dec 1 14:28:24 2016 From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 20:28:24 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] IF Out usage with SDRPlay (2nd trial - just repeated sending - content is in - no change) In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Dear All, sorry for my boring empty e-mail with inappropriate settings. Changed. Behavior of SDRPlay together with K3 on IF out is also clear. THanks for help with the E-Mail and the topic. Harald DD0VS ? ? Gesendet:?Donnerstag, 01. Dezember 2016 um 10:54 Uhr Von:?"Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)" An:?elecraft at mailman.qth.net Betreff:?Re: [Elecraft] [K3] IF Out usage with SDRPlay (2nd trial - just repeated sending - content is in - no change) Hello Harald, If you keep sending mail to the reflector as "HTML Only" your message will never be seen. This reflector strips all HTML from mails and accepts only plain text. It strips any attachment too. 73, Peter - PA0PJE Op 2016-12-01 om 08:34 schreef Harald Fritzsche: > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm[http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm] > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net[http://www.qsl.net] > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html[http://www.qsl.net/donate.html] > Message delivered to pa0pje at xs4all.nl > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft[http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft] Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm[http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm] Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net[http://www.qsl.net] Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html[http://www.qsl.net/donate.html] Message delivered to dd0vs at gmx.de From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Dec 1 14:38:53 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 11:38:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] wanted k2/ is the kx3 is better in what way ? In-Reply-To: <948241334.6913569.1480583383855@mail.yahoo.com> References: <948241334.6913569.1480583383855.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <948241334.6913569.1480583383855@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <016efa3a-34c4-7842-171c-368c5f344890@socal.rr.com> Elan, In my opinion, the KX3 is the better QRP transceiver of the two. The K2 is a fine radio, but the best part of it was building it myself. The KX3 has more advanced technology (a 10+ year newer design) and will now deliver 15 Watts on transmit. It also covers 6 meters and has all-band receive (K2 is ham band only). It also supports the PX3 panadapter. Because my K2 has the KPA100/KAT100 combo, it's also my second higher power radio now (with the K3 in my primary operating location). And then there is the KX2 .. my most-used QRP radio now :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 12/1/16 1:09 AM, E.P wrote: > hi sorry about this i am new to elecraft but new to ham radio over 40years after nice e-mail from Vicen? from Spain he correct me so i am after i am after k2 with high serial number 3k or over with all option [not need to have the 100w amp ] have to be built by one of the Elecraft builder recommendation please and in nice good condition in and out i can paypal thank you kind vy 73 elan g0uut > p.s is any one can tell me if the k2 have TCXO ?is the kx3 is better from the K2 ?in what way ? i may in the end order kx3 thank you elan g0uut From thbauer at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 16:37:47 2016 From: thbauer at gmail.com (T.H. Bauer) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 16:37:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ? Re: Narrow Gaming Keyboard and Giant Mouse Pads - K-Pod Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 5:54 PM, wrote: > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:25:15 -0700 > From: Niel Skousen > To: Elecraft Mailer > Cc: Tim Gennett , "M. George" > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ? Re: Narrow Gaming Keyboard and Giant Mouse > Pads - K-Pod > Message-ID: <858FDCAC-16FF-4191-94CF-BD79D3D00589 at ecsecurityinc.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Work recently provided a *TypeMatrix* ( www.typematrix.com ) as an 'ergo' > keyboard. If you need a small-ish quality keyboard, I really like mine ! > > Niel > I'm curious to learn if there are any among you who use this keyboard and are also contesters? My operating space is rather tight, and I use a compact Matias keyboard: Mini Tactile Pro. I'm a so-so typist, and I'm rather fond of the tactile feedback I get from the Matias, which seems to help improve my accuracy. How is the tactile feedback from the TypeMatrix 2030? Tnx for your feedback. --- Ted WA3AER From kf0ur at radins.us Thu Dec 1 16:38:30 2016 From: kf0ur at radins.us (Shel Radin KF0UR) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 14:38:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] QRPworks SideKars are back in stock Message-ID: <1480628310020-7624397.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, For those waiting for a SideKar, we're pleased to let you know that they are back in stock, along with the custom mounting brackets so they can be attached to the top of the KX2 or the right side of the KX3. Orders are now shipping immediately. 73, Shel KF0UR www.QRPworks.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/QRPworks-SideKars-are-back-in-stock-tp7624397.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From elanzl at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 1 21:19:08 2016 From: elanzl at sbcglobal.net (Eric Lanzl) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 02:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3, KAT500, and Ameritron ALS 1306 amplifier References: <222512965.4325390.1480645148725.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <222512965.4325390.1480645148725@mail.yahoo.com> I have a question about connecting the three together. Can one use the tuner with the als 1306 and have enough connections to use the band following feature on the als 1306 and have the tuner also follow the radio and frequency. I am wondering if anyone is using this amp with the kat 500 and the k3. What is the best way to connect the k3 to the amp and then to the tuner to get the maximum use out of amp and tuner. Thanks for your help Wb9jnz From xtr348165 at xtra.co.nz Thu Dec 1 23:52:31 2016 From: xtr348165 at xtra.co.nz (paulb) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 21:52:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX-3 4092 - broken probably bin 13 material Message-ID: <1480654351948-7624400.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi folks Havn't used the kx-3 for months. Think it could be seriously broken... when power +12v is plugged in the lcd lights and thats about all. This happens without the usual power up buttons. Nothing looks out of place under the hood and the flexible pcb is pushed in correctly. anything obvious to check ? cheers Paul zl1ajy -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX-3-4092-broken-probably-bin-13-material-tp7624400.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jeanpierre.behiels at telenet.be Fri Dec 2 05:14:42 2016 From: jeanpierre.behiels at telenet.be (Behiels jean-Pierre) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 11:14:42 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Antennas Message-ID: <000001d24c84$ed3eb6f0$c7bc24d0$@telenet.be> Hi members; Perhaps someone now about this company or any experience with ? I do have made a order at 5 november 2016 Till now,not any order received ? I now,it has nothing to see with K-radios . hfwireantennas.com 4673 Henry St Norton Shores, MI 49441-5432 vm 231-335-3775 sales at hfwireantennas.com E-mail : on4aef at telenet.be From jeanpierre.behiels at telenet.be Fri Dec 2 05:30:31 2016 From: jeanpierre.behiels at telenet.be (Behiels jean-Pierre) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 11:30:31 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Antennas :http://www.hfwireantennas.com/home.html Message-ID: <000a01d24c87$1b9ebed0$52dc3c70$@telenet.be> Hi members; Perhaps someone now about this company or any experience with ? I do have made a order at 5 november 2016 Till now,not any order received ? I now,it has nothing to see with K-radios . hfwireantennas.com 4673 Henry St Norton Shores, MI 49441-5432 vm 231-335-3775 sales at hfwireantennas.com Sorry forget my name ! Regards Jean ON4AEF. E-mail : on4aef at telenet.be From ARDUJENSKI at aol.com Fri Dec 2 07:57:19 2016 From: ARDUJENSKI at aol.com (ARDUJENSKI at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:57:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB K2 Message-ID: I am interested is acquiring an ELECRAFT K2 or possibly K2/100 as an emergency radio. . Radio should include SSB, internal battery pack option and Elecraft ATU. Contact me directly at ardujenski at aol.com ALAN KB7MBI From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 2 10:11:20 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 10:11:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX-3 4092 - broken probably bin 13 material In-Reply-To: <1480654351948-7624400.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1480654351948-7624400.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Paul, Your best resource for resolution of this problem is to contact Elecraft support. They can give you some things to check. It certainly is not a candidate for the scrap bin, but it does need some help. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/1/2016 11:52 PM, paulb wrote: > Hi folks > > Havn't used the kx-3 for months. > > Think it could be seriously broken... > when power +12v is plugged in the lcd lights and thats about all. > This happens without the usual power up buttons. > > Nothing looks out of place under the hood and the flexible pcb is > pushed in correctly. > From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Dec 2 12:08:27 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:08:27 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] wanted k2/ is the kx3 is better in what way ? Message-ID: <1D2F4B02-6A70-4025-A3B2-9A14D973FBB6@law.du.edu> I agree with Phil and others who replied. KX3 if you want to get it on the air and go; a K2 if you enjoy the process of near-DIY. I have a K3 system, and a KX3 system, and just finished my second K2 /100 ? one in each of the two configurations. The K3 is the base station and for me the best of the bunch. The KX3 is more sophisticated and more capable than the K2, not to mention more flexible and easier for portable use. But having built two K2s and their associated amps and accessories, the process of building them was worth the cost all by itself. And they are very good radios indeed. Ted, KN1CBR On 12/2/16, 8:31 AM, "Elecraft on behalf of elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net" wrote: wanted k2/ is the kx3 is better in what way ? From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Dec 2 12:09:27 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 08:09:27 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] SWR issue with K3 Message-ID: <201612021709.uB2H9Tb3016289@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 13:00:02 -0500 From: Guy Olinger K2AV To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SWR issue with K3 Except those that grab the cover off the HVPS and then Darwin "laughs"! No progeny afterward! Applies to tower work, too! Don't bat that hornet's nest. Up here in Alaska we say "grinin never works on ole grizz", better a loaded shotgun. Read instructions before firing. Well they're napping for the winter: 21F and a few inches of snow So as the squad room police Sargent says: "Be careful there, today!" ==snip If there actually will be any change in normative instinctive behavior because of electronics in our lives, for sure none of us will be around to see it. Neither will our great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren. No effect on whether we die, no opportunity for any Darwinian effect. ==snip 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus Magazine business: dubususa at gmail,com From RLVZ at aol.com Fri Dec 2 12:13:47 2016 From: RLVZ at aol.com (RLVZ at aol.com) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 12:13:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Band data 1 connection to the Yaesu VL1000 Message-ID: <91269e.96f7c13.457305ca@aol.com> Hi Tom, Your initial thought is correct: "the K3VL1K1 is not wired correctly and will not key the amp". I had the exact same issue and spoke to the fellow who made the cable for Array Solutions, and he said he purposely didn't wire the cable to key the amp. He gave me a reason why but it made no sense to me. Fact is, I purchased the same type of K3S to Quadra cable for another fellow and it does key the Quadra as needed. I think we should ask Array Solutions to change the cable construction so it keys the Quadra. 73, Dick- K9OM Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 17:48:38 -0500 From: Thomas Donohue To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Band data 1 connection to the Yaesu VL1000 query Message-ID: <8447A436-470C-4662-93EC-960838347015 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi to all: This subject has been posted before and I found the answer on the Elecraft historical threads web page. In any event I tried the recommended solution but have not been able to get the K3S to key the VL1000. Specifically, I?m using a Band data one cable put together by Array Solutions (designator K3VL1K1) to connect the ACC output on the K3S to the Band data 1 input on the VL1000. With the VL1000 turned off and the power supply turned on, I can use the K3S on all bands FB; When I turn the VL1000 on and select input 1, I can use the K3S on all bands, with auto band switching by the VL1000. However, when I press the operate button on the VL1000, the unit will not key on any band, but the auto band switching function on the VL1000 continues to work. My initial thought is that the K3VL1K1 is not wired correctly and will not key the amp. But, when I checked the wiring it appeared to be wired correctly. So my query is (1)Is the K3VL1K1 the correct cable for what I?m trying to do (i.e. auto band switch and key the amplifier?, and if it is the correct cable is there a config menu setting that needs to be implemented (i?ve checked and haven?t found any)?, or is there something I?m missing or not doing. Any thoughts or advice will be appreciated. Best 73, Tom/W1QU From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Dec 2 12:27:03 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 08:27:03 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] wanted k2/ is the kx3 is better in what way ? Message-ID: <201612021727.uB2HR51E016340@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Never owned or operated the K2, but I do have the KX3 and find it hears as well as my K3/10 and transmits the same power on 160-6m. I have my KX3 mounted in new truck for mobile and also have the 100w KXPA which works well with either rig. K3 beats the KX3 in really tough operating conditions but no noticeable differences in everyday use. http://www.kl7uw.com/Mobile.htm I find that the KX3 even seems to hear better on 6m with internal preamp vs stock K3 (I have added the PR6-10 so not an issue with it). A couple plusses for the KX3 is size and addition of 2m all-mode at 3w which will drive my RFC 2-30 and TE1410G for 160w (120w mobile). I have checked into the Elecraft SSB Net using either radio equally easy (esp. using the KXPA-100). I have the internal ATU for the KX3 and very handy for use in the field where antennas are not always tuned. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Magazine Business: dubususa at gmail.com From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Dec 2 14:18:21 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 19:18:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Weighted VFO Knob Message-ID: <7C9A346D-4FC6-43AA-B585-EE52D106B2B0@law.du.edu> I just tried to order a weighted knob for the K2 from 73cnc, and got an ?out of stock? reply. The same thing happened when, just to see what was happening, I tried their order page for K3 knob set and the KX3. Does anyone know whether the producer is out of the business? Ted, KN1CBR From kevin at k4vd.net Fri Dec 2 14:43:57 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 14:43:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and FLDIGI Message-ID: When using the KX3 with fldigi can I use the RX I/Q output from the radio to the computer? I can't find any reference to i/q in the fldigi docs so I'm assuming the answer is no but thought I'd ask before giving up. Kev K4VD From crustacean at brig-elec.com Fri Dec 2 14:57:40 2016 From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 14:57:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and FLDIGI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1480708660.2926.12.camel@arabica> I have been and it seems to work just fine. I have made contacts using that setup with PSK31 and have decoded PSK31, RTTY, as well as one other mode-can't remember which at the moment. I have also been told rather emphatically that fldigi would not work with the IQ signal. My experience is it works just fine. The width of the spectrum is quite a bit less than what I think a full panadaptor would give. On Fri, 2016-12-02 at 14:43 -0500, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > When using the KX3 with fldigi can I use the RX I/Q output from the radio > to the computer? I can't find any reference to i/q in the fldigi docs so > I'm assuming the answer is no but thought I'd ask before giving up. > > Kev K4VD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 2 15:15:53 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 15:15:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and FLDIGI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kev, I tried that very early on and found that the signal amplitude was really not adequate for my tastes - but it did work. So I guess it all depends on your soundcard and its gain. Fldigi and other similar applications only use the left channel. A panadapter application will use both. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/2/2016 2:43 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > When using the KX3 with fldigi can I use the RX I/Q output from the radio > to the computer? I can't find any reference to i/q in the fldigi docs so > I'm assuming the answer is no but thought I'd ask before giving up. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Dec 2 15:25:19 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 12:25:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and FLDIGI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1ffdd533-3ebf-f4ac-4020-202acf2d1708@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,12/2/2016 12:15 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Fldigi and other similar applications only use the left channel. Yes. MMTTY can be set to decode L or R, but only transmits Mono. 2Tone (an excellent RTTY program) can easily be set to RX and TX on L or R. WSJT-X can easily select L and R for both TX and RX, but WSJT10 is left channel only. Development of WSJT has shifted to WSJT-X, with more modulation schemes added to WSJT-X as time goes by, and it is intended to eventually replace WSJT10 for all modes. Before you fall in love with any digital mode software, check out its limitations in this regard. 73, Jim K9YC From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Dec 2 15:41:26 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 12:41:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and FLDIGI In-Reply-To: <1ffdd533-3ebf-f4ac-4020-202acf2d1708@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1ffdd533-3ebf-f4ac-4020-202acf2d1708@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <545EA665-06F1-4B33-863F-150AFA9B8C82@wunderwood.org> There is no advantage to using the I/Q output for fldigi. It only cares about one channel, so use the regular audio output. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 2, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Fri,12/2/2016 12:15 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Fldigi and other similar applications only use the left channel. > > Yes. MMTTY can be set to decode L or R, but only transmits Mono. 2Tone (an excellent RTTY program) can easily be set to RX and TX on L or R. WSJT-X can easily select L and R for both TX and RX, but WSJT10 is left channel only. Development of WSJT has shifted to WSJT-X, with more modulation schemes added to WSJT-X as time goes by, and it is intended to eventually replace WSJT10 for all modes. Before you fall in love with any digital mode software, check out its limitations in this regard. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 15:57:55 2016 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 13:57:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and FLDIGI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21c1e2ea-78e4-64d2-c466-c0c9a62c2c56@gmail.com> Kevin, The IQ output is not processed by the DSP. A signal above OR below the carrier will show up. There is no opposite sideband rejection. A signal from the headphone jack will have the opposite sideband removed or significantly reduced in amplitude. 73, Lyle KK7P > On 12/2/2016 2:43 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: >> When using the KX3 with fldigi can I use the RX I/Q output from the >> radio >> to the computer? I can't find any reference to i/q in the fldigi docs so >> I'm assuming the answer is no but thought I'd ask before giving up. From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri Dec 2 16:13:43 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 16:13:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New video on Win4K3Suite Virtual Port setup Message-ID: <9D5E81ADE88C43DC828E4DCFE8A1B699@DESKTOPAV61F2H> Hello, One of the useful features of Win4K3Suite is that it interfaces to all 3rd party logging and digital mode programs such as HRDLogbook, DX Keeper, NAP3, N3FJP, N1MM+, FLDigi, MIXW as well as hardware devices such as the K3/0, the Pig Knob and various antenna tuners. In order to understand how to do this, there is now a video on YouTube that gives clear instructions on using the virtual port management facilities of Win4K3Suite: You can access it at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jh6IS0S1dE&t=4s There is no need for LPBridge, and if you wish you can even continue to use NAP3 if you prefer that interface. You can read a review about this here: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11214 In addition, here is a new release of Win4K3Suite. This release offers a few bug fixes for the SDRPlay support of the KX2 and KX3 and a macro programming correction for the radios that use both the KXPA100 and the KPA500. In case you are not aware, Win4K3Suite is a comprehensive control program for the Elecraft K3, K3S, KX3 and KX2. It supports all hardware such as the KPA500, and KAT500 even on the KX2. Win4K3Suite has built in panadapter support for the P3, LPPAN and the SDRPlay RSP. There is no configuration necessary to support all modes and filter settings for QSY's. There is a fully functional 30 day trial available at va2fsq.com 73 Tom --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kevin at k4vd.net Fri Dec 2 16:30:28 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 16:30:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and FLDIGI In-Reply-To: <545EA665-06F1-4B33-863F-150AFA9B8C82@wunderwood.org> References: <1ffdd533-3ebf-f4ac-4020-202acf2d1708@audiosystemsgroup.com> <545EA665-06F1-4B33-863F-150AFA9B8C82@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: ?OK - I got the answer concerning I/Q audio to fldigi. No advantage as fldigi does not process I/Q signals. Maybe I'll drop a feature request on the fldigi forum. It would be nice to see a nice, wide swath of a band. I know Win4K3? and PX3 and maybe some other tools are available but I was kind of looking to simplify things. Fldigi seems to have most everything wrapped into one package (many modes, logging, rig control, waterfall) except support for I/Q and wsjt modes. I'm trying to find that balance between having it all and reducing complexity. Figure that one out! :) Thanks again, Kevin K4VD From sjl219 at optonline.net Fri Dec 2 16:31:25 2016 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 16:31:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] (KX2) Tuning Knob Message-ID: <5f0b2f40.8cd9.158c172f413.Webtop.59@optonline.net> Has anyone on this list either developed or discovered From sjl219 at optonline.net Fri Dec 2 16:35:42 2016 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 16:35:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] (KX2) Tuning Knob Message-ID: <6eb41943.8ceb.158c176de62.Webtop.59@optonline.net> Oops! ?Let's try this again... Has anyone on this list either developed or discovered a method to put a finger dimple on the KX2 VFO knob? Elecraft used to sell a finger dimple for the K2 but no longer stocks it. A Google search found no hits for a finger dimple. The KX2 is now my main rig and, together with the KXPA100, it's a fine setup for my kind of operating but the trying to spin the knob is aggravating. Thanks and 73, Stan WB2LQF From jkelly at verizon.net Fri Dec 2 16:44:52 2016 From: jkelly at verizon.net (jkelly) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 16:44:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale KX2 In-Reply-To: <769a9fbf-97a6-03bd-6747-92dd4636f398@verizon.net> References: <769a9fbf-97a6-03bd-6747-92dd4636f398@verizon.net> Message-ID: Price Drop. Jeff > For Sale Mint KX2 #316 > > with ATU, Real Time Clock, Paddle, Hand Mic, Large Travel Bag, Lithium > Battery and charger, acc cable. > > $1000 Shipped CONUS > > Jeff > > K2SDR > > k2sdr at verizon.net On 11/13/2016 11:44 AM, jkelly wrote: > For Sale Mint KX2 #316 > > with ATU, Real Time Clock, Paddle, Hand Mic, Large Travel Bag, Lithium > Battery and charger, acc cable. > > $1100 Shipped CONUS > > Jeff > > K2SDR > > k2sdr at verizon.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jkelly at verizon.net > From sjl219 at optonline.net Fri Dec 2 16:47:47 2016 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 16:47:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] (KX2) Tuning Knob Message-ID: <3393b4aa.8d1d.158c181ed79.Webtop.59@optonline.net> Answered my own question: ??http://www.gemsproducts.com/product/kx2-vfo-a-knob-beta/ 73, Stan WB2LQF Oops! ?Let's try this again... Has anyone on this list either developed or discovered a method to put a finger dimple on the KX2 VFO knob? Elecraft used to sell a finger dimple for the K2 but no longer stocks it. A Google search found no hits for a finger dimple. The KX2 is now my main rig and, together with the KXPA100, it's a fine setup for my kind of operating but the trying to spin the knob is aggravating. Thanks and 73, Stan WB2LQF From k3ndm at comcast.net Fri Dec 2 16:48:43 2016 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 21:48:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and FLDIGI In-Reply-To: References: <1ffdd533-3ebf-f4ac-4020-202acf2d1708@audiosystemsgroup.com> <545EA665-06F1-4B33-863F-150AFA9B8C82@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: Kevin, The simplest approach I found was to use a SignaLink USB plugged into the audiophones out. I then used an amplified computer speaker connected to the aux out of the SignaLink. This way I had to make no cable or wiring change to go to a digital mode, except to replace the mic with the cable FROM the signaLink. I could control audio levels very easily this way. You really want to leave the I&Q available for spectrum display and using CW Skimmer, if you use it; I do. You may want to look at Ham Radio Deluxe and Win4K3. This will allow some pretty slick station integration. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Kevin - K4VD" To: Cc: "Elecraft Reflector Reflector" Sent: 12/2/2016 4:30:28 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and FLDIGI >?OK - I got the answer concerning I/Q audio to fldigi. No advantage as >fldigi does not process I/Q signals. Maybe I'll drop a feature request >on >the fldigi forum. It would be nice to see a nice, wide swath of a band. >I >know Win4K3? and PX3 and maybe some other tools are available but I was >kind of looking to simplify things. Fldigi seems to have most >everything >wrapped into one package (many modes, logging, rig control, waterfall) >except support for I/Q and wsjt modes. I'm trying to find that balance >between having it all and reducing complexity. Figure that one out! :) > >Thanks again, >Kevin K4VD >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From crustacean at brig-elec.com Fri Dec 2 17:01:58 2016 From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 17:01:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and FLDIGI In-Reply-To: <545EA665-06F1-4B33-863F-150AFA9B8C82@wunderwood.org> References: <1ffdd533-3ebf-f4ac-4020-202acf2d1708@audiosystemsgroup.com> <545EA665-06F1-4B33-863F-150AFA9B8C82@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <1480716118.2958.2.camel@arabica> There is also no harm in using IQ. If you are jumping from digital to ssb you may not want to be continuously plugging and unplugging any more cables than necessary. On Fri, 2016-12-02 at 12:41 -0800, Walter Underwood wrote: > There is no advantage to using the I/Q output for fldigi. It only cares about one channel, > so use the regular audio output. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > On Dec 2, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > > > On Fri,12/2/2016 12:15 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Fldigi and other similar applications only use the left channel. > > > > Yes. MMTTY can be set to decode L or R, but only transmits Mono. 2Tone (an excellent RTTY program) can easily be set to RX and TX on L or R. WSJT-X can easily select L and R for both TX and RX, but WSJT10 is left channel only. Development of WSJT has shifted to WSJT-X, with more modulation schemes added to WSJT-X as time goes by, and it is intended to eventually replace WSJT10 for all modes. Before you fall in love with any digital mode software, check out its limitations in this regard. > > > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com > From kevin at k4vd.net Fri Dec 2 17:11:11 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:11:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and FLDIGI In-Reply-To: <1480716118.2958.2.camel@arabica> References: <1ffdd533-3ebf-f4ac-4020-202acf2d1708@audiosystemsgroup.com> <545EA665-06F1-4B33-863F-150AFA9B8C82@wunderwood.org> <1480716118.2958.2.camel@arabica> Message-ID: John, that's exactly why I was asking about I/Q - to free up the phone jack but a wide spectrum display would have been nice in fldigi. Ask Barry suggests, keeping the I/Q jack open allows the use of CW Skimmer (use it on my Flex, not on the KX3 yet) or Win4K3. I own win4k3 but not fully using it yet. I'll slowly work into integrating other tools into a package but each one does add it's own complexity to the mix. 73, Kev K4VD On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 5:01 PM, John Pitz wrote: > There is also no harm in using IQ. If you are jumping from digital to > ssb you may not want to be continuously plugging and unplugging any more > cables than necessary. > > > On Fri, 2016-12-02 at 12:41 -0800, Walter Underwood wrote: > > > There is no advantage to using the I/Q output for fldigi. It only cares > about one channel, > > so use the regular audio output. > > > > wunder > > K6WRU > > Walter Underwood > > CM87wj > > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > > > On Dec 2, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Jim Brown > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri,12/2/2016 12:15 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > >> Fldigi and other similar applications only use the left channel. > > > > > > Yes. MMTTY can be set to decode L or R, but only transmits Mono. 2Tone > (an excellent RTTY program) can easily be set to RX and TX on L or R. > WSJT-X can easily select L and R for both TX and RX, but WSJT10 is left > channel only. Development of WSJT has shifted to WSJT-X, with more > modulation schemes added to WSJT-X as time goes by, and it is intended to > eventually replace WSJT10 for all modes. Before you fall in love with any > digital mode software, check out its limitations in this regard. > > > > > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin at k4vd.net > From fred at fmeco.com Fri Dec 2 17:50:26 2016 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:50:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] kx3 speaker Message-ID: just want to let anyone looking for a speaker for the kx3 to look at this one.. small and light, I purchased one and have been using it for 4 days.. it is small, and has a great sound.. has 8-9 hours on battery power and charges with usb, the plug between the speaker and kx3 is even provided.. no relationship to amazon.. but good speaker with a good sale price https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QU4RPD0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 regards.. Fred -- Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com fred at safes.com phone: 321-217-8699 From xtr348165 at xtra.co.nz Fri Dec 2 18:02:11 2016 From: xtr348165 at xtra.co.nz (paulb) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 16:02:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX-3 4092 - broken probably bin 13 material In-Reply-To: <1480654351948-7624400.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1480654351948-7624400.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1480719731881-7624426.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi folks A follow up KX-3 4092. Thankyou to the off-list emails and advice. It's not looking flash. Suspect the fault is a low level issue on the early 12volt lines or one of the dc-dc converters. At this stage it's a non-viable repair here so will put it on the "will take another look later ' shelf. thanks cheers from NZ Paul zl1ajy -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX-3-4092-broken-probably-bin-13-material-tp7624400p7624426.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Dec 2 18:50:20 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 18:50:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and FLDIGI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7CFDE159-6FD4-4DB8-8C08-43E376352B4A@widomaker.com> Yes. The answer is NO! Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > > When using the KX3 with fldigi can I use the RX I/Q output from the radio > to the computer? I can't find any reference to i/q in the fldigi docs so > I'm assuming the answer is no but thought I'd ask before giving up. > > Kev K4VD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Dec 2 18:53:10 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 18:53:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and FLDIGI In-Reply-To: <1480708660.2926.12.camel@arabica> References: <1480708660.2926.12.camel@arabica> Message-ID: You're only using one of the signals, either I or Q and at very low level. I believe you'd get better service with the phones output. Fldigi is only looking at the tip signal Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 2, 2016, at 2:57 PM, John Pitz wrote: > > > I have been and it seems to work just fine. I have made contacts using > that setup with PSK31 and have decoded PSK31, RTTY, as well as one other > mode-can't remember which at the moment. I have also been told rather > emphatically that fldigi would not work with the IQ signal. My > experience is it works just fine. The width of the spectrum is quite a > bit less than what I think a full panadaptor would give. > > > >> On Fri, 2016-12-02 at 14:43 -0500, Kevin - K4VD wrote: >> >> When using the KX3 with fldigi can I use the RX I/Q output from the radio >> to the computer? I can't find any reference to i/q in the fldigi docs so >> I'm assuming the answer is no but thought I'd ask before giving up. >> >> Kev K4VD >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From bhemmis at mac.com Fri Dec 2 20:11:42 2016 From: bhemmis at mac.com (Brian Hemmis) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 20:11:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] (KX2) Tuning Knob In-Reply-To: <6eb41943.8ceb.158c176de62.Webtop.59@optonline.net> References: <6eb41943.8ceb.158c176de62.Webtop.59@optonline.net> Message-ID: <34673540-2971-4DED-B515-AE1DD77EF07F@mac.com> Contact Wayne Smith K8FF. He was the supplier of the Elecraft finger dimple. He may still have a few left. 73, Brian K3USC > On Dec 2, 2016, at 4:35 PM, stan levandowski wrote: > > Oops! Let's try this again... > > Has anyone on this list either developed or discovered a method to put a finger dimple on the KX2 VFO knob? > > > Elecraft used to sell a finger dimple for the K2 but no longer stocks it. > > > A Google search found no hits for a finger dimple. > > > The KX2 is now my main rig and, together with the KXPA100, it's a fine setup for my kind of operating but the trying to spin the knob is aggravating. > > > Thanks and 73, > Stan WB2LQF > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k3usc at arrl.net From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Fri Dec 2 20:18:51 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (Eric J) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 01:18:51 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Weighted VFO Knob In-Reply-To: <7C9A346D-4FC6-43AA-B585-EE52D106B2B0@law.du.edu> References: <7C9A346D-4FC6-43AA-B585-EE52D106B2B0@law.du.edu> Message-ID: I think he's long gone. I've tried ordering one including emailing him several times over the last year or more without a single response. Fortunately, I bought one several years ago, but I would sure like to find another for my second K2. Eric KE6US On 12/2/2016 11:18 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: I just tried to order a weighted knob for the K2 from 73cnc, and got an ?out of stock? reply. The same thing happened when, just to see what was happening, I tried their order page for K3 knob set and the KX3. Does anyone know whether the producer is out of the business? Ted, KN1CBR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com From bhemmis at mac.com Fri Dec 2 20:21:09 2016 From: bhemmis at mac.com (Brian Hemmis) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 20:21:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Weighted VFO Knob In-Reply-To: References: <7C9A346D-4FC6-43AA-B585-EE52D106B2B0@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <672C0F8E-8862-4ADB-8022-57EF0670E3B0@mac.com> I may see him at our DX club meeting Mon. night. I he?s there I?ll ask and report back. > On Dec 2, 2016, at 8:18 PM, Eric J wrote: > > I think he's long gone. I've tried ordering one including emailing him several times over the last year or more without a single response. > > Fortunately, I bought one several years ago, but I would sure like to find another for my second K2. > > Eric > > KE6US > > On 12/2/2016 11:18 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > I just tried to order a weighted knob for the K2 from 73cnc, and got an ?out of stock? reply. The same thing happened when, just to see what was happening, I tried their order page for K3 knob set and the KX3. Does anyone know whether the producer is out of the business? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bhemmis at mac.com From rv6amark at yahoo.com Fri Dec 2 22:47:19 2016 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 19:47:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and FLDIGI Message-ID: Lyle KK7P wrote: "The IQ output is not processed by the DSP.? A signal above OR below the carrier will show up.? There is no opposite sideband rejection." I think the point of Lyle's response was missed. ?Signals in both sidebands will be displayed on the FLDIGI waterfall!? What does this mean? ?If you have the KX3 tuned to 7.100, and you see a signal on the waterfall at 7.102, that station may actually be on 7.102 as displayed on the waterfall, which is OK since FLDIGI will then transmit back to the station on that frequency. ?But if the station is actually on 7.098, it will still be displayed at 7.102 on the warerfall, but FLDIGI will then transmit on 7.102 since it doesn't know which sideband the signal is in. ?You will end up transmitting 4Khz above the other station's frequency. Why doesn't SDR software have the same problem? ?Because SDR software uses the phase information in the In-phase and Quadrature signals to determine which sideband the signal is in. ? Using the phone jack for FLDIGI allows the SDR routines in the KX3 DSP to do this, thereby eliminating the signals in the unused sideband. I hope that makes some sense. ?Unfortunately, this can be difficult to explain via email. Mark KE6BB -------- Original message --------From: Lyle Johnson Date: 12/2/16 12:57 PM (GMT-08:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and FLDIGI Kevin, The IQ output is not processed by the DSP.? A signal above OR below the carrier will show up.? There is no opposite sideband rejection. A signal from the headphone jack will have the opposite sideband removed or significantly reduced in amplitude. 73, Lyle KK7P > On 12/2/2016 2:43 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: >> When using the KX3 with fldigi can I use the RX I/Q output from the >> radio >> to the computer? I can't find any reference to i/q in the fldigi docs so >> I'm assuming the answer is no but thought I'd ask before giving up. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rv6amark at yahoo.com From djdaverichards at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 23:01:02 2016 From: djdaverichards at gmail.com (Dave Richards) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 20:01:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Weighted VFO Knob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you've been e-mailing him using the form on his website, that might be the problem. I e-mailed him a couple of times recently via his site, and received no reply. I then e-mailed him directly, using the e-mail address on his QRZ page, and received a reply giving details of the weighted K2 knobs which, as of about 2 months ago, were still available. At that time, there was one type which was available, and one which was about to go back into production, though I forget the details now. Try e-mailing him directly, Dave AA7EE >On Dec 2, 2016, at 8:18 PM, Eric J wrote: I think he's long gone. I've tried ordering one including emailing him several times over the last year or more without a single response. Fortunately, I bought one several years ago, but I would sure like to find another for my second K2. Eric KE6US On 12/2/2016 11:18 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: I just tried to order a weighted knob for the K2 from 73cnc, and got an ?out of stock? reply. The same thing happened when, just to see what was happening, I tried their order page for K3 knob set and the KX3. Does anyone know whether the producer is out of the business? Ted, KN1CBR< From john_grimm1450 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 3 09:02:20 2016 From: john_grimm1450 at hotmail.com (John Grimm) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 14:02:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Weighted VFO Knob Message-ID: The K3 Neogrip ring works fb on my K2 vfo knob. It's too big alone but I used some black bike tube rubber to make up the difference so fits nicely. Looks okay too. If you want a pic I'd be glad to send. John / K0YQ From kb9iva at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 3 09:16:30 2016 From: kb9iva at sbcglobal.net (Robert Reiman) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 14:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Tablet References: <1774426282.5748301.1480774590746.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1774426282.5748301.1480774590746@mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, What Tablet would be good to use with a KX2 & a KX3 ??Thanks? 72/73's? kb9ivaa at sbcglobal.netBob kb9iva From gkidder at ilstu.edu Sat Dec 3 09:33:33 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 09:33:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 Message-ID: OK, gang! I've tried everything I can think of, and am now looking for some additional thoughts. Equipment: K3 (unmodified) with firmware 5.53, computer (2.99 GHz dual core, 4 GB memory) running Win 7, LP-Bridge (LPB) set for 200 mS delay. The computer is not connected to the internet, and all programs are brought in from another computer using a flash drive. Problem: At random but long intervals (hours) LP-Bridge crashes, displaying error 13 (type mismatch). Clearing this window causes program to close. This behavior is seen with no external programs connected to LPB, and with LPB set to any polling rate from 200 mS (default) to as much as 1000 mS. It is seen when LPB2 is used and the baud rate is reduced to 4800. When the crash occurs, the error seems to be in a response from the K3 - for instance, the "Rig Received Text" window shows "IS 0|00;" while it should show "IS 0600;". In this case the K3 was set to CW mode. In LSB mode, the same window shows "CW 6+;" where I presume it should have been "CW 60;". This damaged text shows up in all windows (Rig received, K3 Com port, Power SCR-IF Aux CAT port, etc.) Attempted resolution includes reloading the K3 firmware and reloading LPB from the website after clearing out all remnants of the old program. Nothing helps - LPB still crashes when allowed to run for several hours. Other programs not affected. Computer is on a UPS, so momentary power outage would not be a cause (even if there should be one every night!) Clearly, there is a communication failure between the K3 and LPB, since it occurs with nothing else connected. Is the problem with the K3, LBP or the Win 7 operating system which sits between them? And what more can I try to fix it? Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated. George, W3HBM From ai6do at yahoo.com Sat Dec 3 10:17:42 2016 From: ai6do at yahoo.com (Ryan Noguchi) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 15:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Tablet In-Reply-To: <1774426282.5748301.1480774590746@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1774426282.5748301.1480774590746.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1774426282.5748301.1480774590746@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <816129489.5756422.1480778262678@mail.yahoo.com> >Hi All, What Tablet would be good to use with a KX2 & a KX3 ??>Thanks? 72/73's??kb9ivaa at sbcglobal.netBob?kb9iva When I'm operating the KX3 portable, I use one of my Nexus 7 2013 Android tablets with the KX3 Companion app.?When im out with the FT857D, I use the DroidRTTY and DroidPSK apps.? To me, the 7" screen form factor strikes the best balance between portability and usability. The 7" tablet fits nicely in a pants pocket. I'll probably continue to use these tablets until they die, since they have more than enough processing power for the job, but I'm not sure I'd recommend buying a 3-4 year old tablet unless you can get it dirt cheap.? 73, Ryan AI6DO From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 3 10:55:19 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:55:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: George, I think you have an LPB problem rather than a K3 problem. With LP-Bridge (Not LPB2), you should be able to use a rate of 38400 between LPB and the K3. As the baud rate goes down, the polling rate must be increased. Since you have the K3, you should be using LP-Bridge instead of LPB2. You will find excellent support for LP-Bridge on the LP-Pan reflector, or contact Larry directly. He is quite responsive to problems. There is excellent setup information for LP-Bridge at www.telepostinc.com. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/3/2016 9:33 AM, George Kidder wrote: > OK, gang! I've tried everything I can think of, and am now looking for > some additional thoughts. > > Equipment: K3 (unmodified) with firmware 5.53, computer (2.99 GHz dual > core, 4 GB memory) running Win 7, LP-Bridge (LPB) set for 200 mS delay. > The computer is not connected to the internet, and all programs are > brought in from another computer using a flash drive. > > Problem: At random but long intervals (hours) LP-Bridge crashes, > displaying error 13 (type mismatch). Clearing this window causes > program to close. This behavior is seen with no external programs > connected to LPB, and with LPB set to any polling rate from 200 mS > (default) to as much as 1000 mS. It is seen when LPB2 is used and the > baud rate is reduced to 4800. When the crash occurs, the error seems to > be in a response from the K3 - From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 13:00:43 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 20:00:43 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9AD799E7-891D-4184-93FC-F984BB72BE7D@gmail.com> Are you transmitting when this happens? Vic 4X6GP > On 3 Dec 2016, at 16:33, George Kidder wrote: > > OK, gang! I've tried everything I can think of, and am now looking for some additional thoughts. > > Equipment: K3 (unmodified) with firmware 5.53, computer (2.99 GHz dual core, 4 GB memory) running Win 7, LP-Bridge (LPB) set for 200 mS delay. The computer is not connected to the internet, and all programs are brought in from another computer using a flash drive. > > Problem: At random but long intervals (hours) LP-Bridge crashes, displaying error 13 (type mismatch). Clearing this window causes program to close. This behavior is seen with no external programs connected to LPB, and with LPB set to any polling rate from 200 mS (default) to as much as 1000 mS. It is seen when LPB2 is used and the baud rate is reduced to 4800. When the crash occurs, the error seems to be in a response from the K3 - for instance, the "Rig Received Text" window shows "IS 0|00;" while it should show "IS 0600;". In this case the K3 was set to CW mode. In LSB mode, the same window shows "CW 6+;" where I presume it should have been "CW 60;". This damaged text shows up in all windows (Rig received, K3 Com port, Power SCR-IF Aux CAT port, etc.) > > Attempted resolution includes reloading the K3 firmware and reloading LPB from the website after clearing out all remnants of the old program. Nothing helps - LPB still crashes when allowed to run for several hours. Other programs not affected. Computer is on a UPS, so momentary power outage would not be a cause (even if there should be one every night!) > > Clearly, there is a communication failure between the K3 and LPB, since it occurs with nothing else connected. Is the problem with the K3, LBP or the Win 7 operating system which sits between them? And what more can I try to fix it? > > Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated. > > George, W3HBM > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From gkidder at ilstu.edu Sat Dec 3 13:05:10 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 13:05:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 In-Reply-To: <7044ED68-0C3B-44E1-9CF6-949157540E9D@gmail.com> References: <7044ED68-0C3B-44E1-9CF6-949157540E9D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b9a8e6e-912f-69bf-aa5d-c9d347a4c6e0@ilstu.edu> Hi all, Lots of good thoughts there. I should have mentioned a number of things: The connection is via a RS-232 cable, not by USB converter. There is only one "real" com port on this computer (COM 1) so I cannot check this by substitution unless I were to use a USB to RS-232 converter. The failure occurs with no RF output, and with any mode I have tried. The LPB version is 1.1.0; I only tried LPB2 as a way of using a slower baud rate, since LPB is fixed at 38K. LPB2 crashes as well! Re-starting LPB does not re-establish connections if other programs are used on the virtual ports; killing these other programs does restore connections. I have not carefully investigated a total power cycle. As I noted before, the failure occurs without any other programs connected to the virtual COM ports, and indeed even when these COM ports have not been created. Wiping the computer and reloading the OS seems a rather drastic cure for a small ill, especially when there is no guarantee that it will work. I do have another computer running XP, and have used LPB on it in the past. It's problem is that it is slow enough that when all the programs I want to run are on it, there are precious few CPU cycles left. This was why I got the Win 7 machine! VA2FSQ's solution is possibly one way out. I will have to consider it and other similar options. Thanks for all the good and very prompt feedback. BTW, in the time between my sending my first question and the present, the computer was left running with LPB on it alone, and it crashed, reading IS Q500! George, W3HBM On 12/3/2016 11:47 AM, Mike Flowers wrote: > Hi George, > > Just some thoughts: > > - how is your K3 attached to the PC? A real RS-232 COM port or a USB/Serial converter? > > - if by an RS-232 COM port, could you try a different one? > > - if by a USB/Serial converter, what kind? Can you try another one? > > - Are you transmitting at all between failures? If so, RFI may be playing a role. Try just leaving the rig on but no TX. > > - if you have a dummy load, try TX into it if the above test indicates RF may be the issue. > > - How close are your antennas? Are the rotatable? > > - How are the rig, PC, coax shields, etc. bonded in a 'ground' system? RF can induce voltage on cables if various units are not at a common 'ground'. > > - Do you have really good quality cable connecting your rig and PC? > > - Have you tried any ferrites on the cables? > > Just some thoughts. > > -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > >> On Dec 3, 2016, at 6:33 AM, George Kidder wrote: >> >> OK, gang! I've tried everything I can think of, and am now looking for some additional thoughts. >> >> Equipment: K3 (unmodified) with firmware 5.53, computer (2.99 GHz dual core, 4 GB memory) running Win 7, LP-Bridge (LPB) set for 200 mS delay. The computer is not connected to the internet, and all programs are brought in from another computer using a flash drive. >> >> Problem: At random but long intervals (hours) LP-Bridge crashes, displaying error 13 (type mismatch). Clearing this window causes program to close. This behavior is seen with no external programs connected to LPB, and with LPB set to any polling rate from 200 mS (default) to as much as 1000 mS. It is seen when LPB2 is used and the baud rate is reduced to 4800. When the crash occurs, the error seems to be in a response from the K3 - for instance, the "Rig Received Text" window shows "IS 0|00;" while it should show "IS 0600;". In this case the K3 was set to CW mode. In LSB mode, the same window shows "CW 6+;" where I presume it should have been "CW 60;". This damaged text shows up in all windows (Rig received, K3 Com port, Power SCR-IF Aux CAT port, etc.) >> >> Attempted resolution includes reloading the K3 firmware and reloading LPB from the website after clearing out all remnants of the old program. Nothing helps - LPB still crashes when allowed to run for several hours. Other programs not affected. Computer is on a UPS, so momentary power outage would not be a cause (even if there should be one every night!) >> >> Clearly, there is a communication failure between the K3 and LPB, since it occurs with nothing else connected. Is the problem with the K3, LBP or the Win 7 operating system which sits between them? And what more can I try to fix it? >> >> Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated. >> >> George, W3HBM >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sat Dec 3 13:48:23 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 13:48:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 In-Reply-To: References: <7044ED68-0C3B-44E1-9CF6-949157540E9D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5EBA4324123F4BB38125C8D909FDB937@DESKTOPAV61F2H> Hi, Three and a half years ago I ran into much the same as you had with LPBridge. I was trying to get a small utility running using LPB and ran into many issues the most important for me was that it does not pass all serial port commands to the K3. Only a subset. So I decided to write a small program that allowed me to do what I wanted without LPBridge. One thing led to another and Win4K3 was born. To be fair I am not sure that instability in LPB is really due to it's code or the underlying virtual serial port technology it uses. It uses Eltima serial port drivers and even products from Eltima such as their serial port monitor will crash on their own if left running long enough. Even then, the MicroHam uses Eltima drivers and they have no issues I believe. However, LPB does not pass all K3 commands and this will cause issues. 73 Tom va2fsq.com -----Original Message----- From: George Kidder Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 1:05 PM To: Mike Flowers ; 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 Hi all, Lots of good thoughts there. I should have mentioned a number of things: The connection is via a RS-232 cable, not by USB converter. There is only one "real" com port on this computer (COM 1) so I cannot check this by substitution unless I were to use a USB to RS-232 converter. The failure occurs with no RF output, and with any mode I have tried. The LPB version is 1.1.0; I only tried LPB2 as a way of using a slower baud rate, since LPB is fixed at 38K. LPB2 crashes as well! Re-starting LPB does not re-establish connections if other programs are used on the virtual ports; killing these other programs does restore connections. I have not carefully investigated a total power cycle. As I noted before, the failure occurs without any other programs connected to the virtual COM ports, and indeed even when these COM ports have not been created. Wiping the computer and reloading the OS seems a rather drastic cure for a small ill, especially when there is no guarantee that it will work. I do have another computer running XP, and have used LPB on it in the past. It's problem is that it is slow enough that when all the programs I want to run are on it, there are precious few CPU cycles left. This was why I got the Win 7 machine! VA2FSQ's solution is possibly one way out. I will have to consider it and other similar options. Thanks for all the good and very prompt feedback. BTW, in the time between my sending my first question and the present, the computer was left running with LPB on it alone, and it crashed, reading IS Q500! George, W3HBM On 12/3/2016 11:47 AM, Mike Flowers wrote: > Hi George, > > Just some thoughts: > > - how is your K3 attached to the PC? A real RS-232 COM port or a > USB/Serial converter? > > - if by an RS-232 COM port, could you try a different one? > > - if by a USB/Serial converter, what kind? Can you try another one? > > - Are you transmitting at all between failures? If so, RFI may be playing > a role. Try just leaving the rig on but no TX. > > - if you have a dummy load, try TX into it if the above test indicates RF > may be the issue. > > - How close are your antennas? Are the rotatable? > > - How are the rig, PC, coax shields, etc. bonded in a 'ground' system? > RF can induce voltage on cables if various units are not at a common > 'ground'. > > - Do you have really good quality cable connecting your rig and PC? > > - Have you tried any ferrites on the cables? > > Just some thoughts. > > -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > >> On Dec 3, 2016, at 6:33 AM, George Kidder wrote: >> >> OK, gang! I've tried everything I can think of, and am now looking for >> some additional thoughts. >> >> Equipment: K3 (unmodified) with firmware 5.53, computer (2.99 GHz dual >> core, 4 GB memory) running Win 7, LP-Bridge (LPB) set for 200 mS delay. >> The computer is not connected to the internet, and all programs are >> brought in from another computer using a flash drive. >> >> Problem: At random but long intervals (hours) LP-Bridge crashes, >> displaying error 13 (type mismatch). Clearing this window causes program >> to close. This behavior is seen with no external programs connected to >> LPB, and with LPB set to any polling rate from 200 mS (default) to as >> much as 1000 mS. It is seen when LPB2 is used and the baud rate is >> reduced to 4800. When the crash occurs, the error seems to be in a >> response from the K3 - for instance, the "Rig Received Text" window shows >> "IS 0|00;" while it should show "IS 0600;". In this case the K3 was set >> to CW mode. In LSB mode, the same window shows "CW 6+;" where I presume >> it should have been "CW 60;". This damaged text shows up in all windows >> (Rig received, K3 Com port, Power SCR-IF Aux CAT port, etc.) >> >> Attempted resolution includes reloading the K3 firmware and reloading LPB >> from the website after clearing out all remnants of the old program. >> Nothing helps - LPB still crashes when allowed to run for several hours. >> Other programs not affected. Computer is on a UPS, so momentary power >> outage would not be a cause (even if there should be one every night!) >> >> Clearly, there is a communication failure between the K3 and LPB, since >> it occurs with nothing else connected. Is the problem with the K3, LBP >> or the Win 7 operating system which sits between them? And what more can >> I try to fix it? >> >> Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated. >> >> George, W3HBM >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From alsopb at comcast.net Sat Dec 3 14:06:46 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2016 19:06:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 In-Reply-To: <2b9a8e6e-912f-69bf-aa5d-c9d347a4c6e0@ilstu.edu> References: <7044ED68-0C3B-44E1-9CF6-949157540E9D@gmail.com> <2b9a8e6e-912f-69bf-aa5d-c9d347a4c6e0@ilstu.edu> Message-ID: <584317C6.3090605@comcast.net> George, To follow up our personal email. 1) I'm using WIN7 on a quad core 2.8 GHz 32 bit machine. Using a real serial port to the K3. What PC are you using? 2) The ERROR 13 failure I experienced several times recently was after pressing the ATU tune button on a K3. It was 100% reproducible. That was a month or two ago. Now it doesn't. Go figure that. 3) I previously used a dual core 2.6 GHz XP machine. It would experience some random error 13 failures. I could see no rhyme nor reason to them. The frequency of those errors may have been higher. I assume you had WINDOWs erase LBPRIDGE and the virtual port programs and then re-installed them. There was a recent update in the virtual serial port creation program but that may have been addressing WIN10. Have you done a virus scan? The presence of a virus could slow up your PC to the point that the timing issues show up. If I had to hazard a guess, it would be a timing issue trashing the LPBRIDGE/K3 interface. I know that doesn't help you. Is there some other program/s you can run on your one serial port to confirm it's OK? What you are experiencing is not normal! Have you tried contacting the LPBRIDGE author? He has a wealth of experience and is quite helpful. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 12/3/2016 18:05 PM, George Kidder wrote: > Hi all, > > Lots of good thoughts there. I should have mentioned a number of > things: The connection is via a RS-232 cable, not by USB converter. > There is only one "real" com port on this computer (COM 1) so I cannot > check this by substitution unless I were to use a USB to RS-232 > converter. The failure occurs with no RF output, and with any mode I > have tried. The LPB version is 1.1.0; I only tried LPB2 as a way of > using a slower baud rate, since LPB is fixed at 38K. LPB2 crashes as > well! Re-starting LPB does not re-establish connections if other > programs are used on the virtual ports; killing these other programs > does restore connections. I have not carefully investigated a total > power cycle. > > As I noted before, the failure occurs without any other programs > connected to the virtual COM ports, and indeed even when these COM ports > have not been created. > > Wiping the computer and reloading the OS seems a rather drastic cure for > a small ill, especially when there is no guarantee that it will work. I > do have another computer running XP, and have used LPB on it in the > past. It's problem is that it is slow enough that when all the programs > I want to run are on it, there are precious few CPU cycles left. This > was why I got the Win 7 machine! > > VA2FSQ's solution is possibly one way out. I will have to consider it > and other similar options. > > Thanks for all the good and very prompt feedback. BTW, in the time > between my sending my first question and the present, the computer was > left running with LPB on it alone, and it crashed, reading IS Q500! > > George, W3HBM > > > On 12/3/2016 11:47 AM, Mike Flowers wrote: >> Hi George, >> >> Just some thoughts: >> >> - how is your K3 attached to the PC? A real RS-232 COM port or a >> USB/Serial converter? >> >> - if by an RS-232 COM port, could you try a different one? >> >> - if by a USB/Serial converter, what kind? Can you try another one? >> >> - Are you transmitting at all between failures? If so, RFI may be >> playing a role. Try just leaving the rig on but no TX. >> >> - if you have a dummy load, try TX into it if the above test indicates >> RF may be the issue. >> >> - How close are your antennas? Are the rotatable? >> >> - How are the rig, PC, coax shields, etc. bonded in a 'ground' >> system? RF can induce voltage on cables if various units are not at >> a common 'ground'. >> >> - Do you have really good quality cable connecting your rig and PC? >> >> - Have you tried any ferrites on the cables? >> >> Just some thoughts. >> >> -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" >> >>> On Dec 3, 2016, at 6:33 AM, George Kidder wrote: >>> >>> OK, gang! I've tried everything I can think of, and am now looking >>> for some additional thoughts. >>> >>> Equipment: K3 (unmodified) with firmware 5.53, computer (2.99 GHz >>> dual core, 4 GB memory) running Win 7, LP-Bridge (LPB) set for 200 mS >>> delay. The computer is not connected to the internet, and all >>> programs are brought in from another computer using a flash drive. >>> >>> Problem: At random but long intervals (hours) LP-Bridge crashes, >>> displaying error 13 (type mismatch). Clearing this window causes >>> program to close. This behavior is seen with no external programs >>> connected to LPB, and with LPB set to any polling rate from 200 mS >>> (default) to as much as 1000 mS. It is seen when LPB2 is used and >>> the baud rate is reduced to 4800. When the crash occurs, the error >>> seems to be in a response from the K3 - for instance, the "Rig >>> Received Text" window shows "IS 0|00;" while it should show "IS >>> 0600;". In this case the K3 was set to CW mode. In LSB mode, the >>> same window shows "CW 6+;" where I presume it should have been "CW >>> 60;". This damaged text shows up in all windows (Rig received, K3 >>> Com port, Power SCR-IF Aux CAT port, etc.) >>> >>> Attempted resolution includes reloading the K3 firmware and reloading >>> LPB from the website after clearing out all remnants of the old >>> program. Nothing helps - LPB still crashes when allowed to run for >>> several hours. Other programs not affected. Computer is on a UPS, >>> so momentary power outage would not be a cause (even if there should >>> be one every night!) >>> >>> Clearly, there is a communication failure between the K3 and LPB, >>> since it occurs with nothing else connected. Is the problem with the >>> K3, LBP or the Win 7 operating system which sits between them? And >>> what more can I try to fix it? >>> >>> Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> George, W3HBM >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net From ke8g at cox.net Sat Dec 3 15:42:31 2016 From: ke8g at cox.net (Jim - KE8G) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 15:42:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Help with remote side tone setup Message-ID: <20161203154231.DNR25.354218.imail@fed1rmwml213> Hi All, I am having a problem and I hope someone out there might be able to help me. I am putting the final touches on setting up the station to operate remotely. I have used this setup last year and it worked perfectly. This year I am having a problem with receiving the CW side tone. Here's the set up: Both the remote & control PCs are running Win7 64 bit. I am using a Webrelay to turn on the K3. I am using TeamViewer to remote into the "remote" PC. I am using Win4K3Suite to control the raido. I am using N1mm+ for my logging/contesting, etc. I use Skype on both computers to hear the audio from the K3 radio and see the P3 via webcam On the control side, I can hear the background noise and stations and work (S7P and run) with no problem, just can't hear my side tone. I come to the "remote" side, using N1MM+ for S&P and run, I can hear everything including the side tone. For some reason, the side tone is not coming over to the control PC. I think that's everything! Any ideas? Maybe a setting? The Monitor level is set fine on the K3, so that's not the problem. I contacted Tom, author of Win4K3Suite and he suggested I contact this group. Thanks in advance, 73 de Jim - KE8G From cyaffey at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 16:57:29 2016 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 16:57:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KPA500 problem on 6M Message-ID: Bottom line: I can?t get more than 200 watts out of my new KPA500 on 6M. It faults (HI SWR FAULT) when I try to increase the drive in order to get more output. But I get full power on 6 with a dummy load. Bad antenna? Don?t think so. Here?s my setup: 3 element M2 6M beam fed with high cost, low loss coax. Very low SWR and works great until I try to get more than 200 watts out of the amp. I also have an R8 vertical and an HF dipole, both of which tune up on 6 with my new KAT500. When running the amp at 200 watts, the swr indicator shows low swr with the KAT500 and any of the 3 antennas. As soon as I increase the drive with any of the 3 antennas, I get the fault. When running the amp without the KAT and the beam hooked directly in, same fault when increasing drive. The beam looks good in an MFJ antenna analyzer as does the R8. So, I think the amp must be extremely sensitive to anything other than a pure 1:1 load as provided by the dummy load. Your thoughts? Carl, K8NU Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com http://www.bluesswing.com From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sat Dec 3 17:11:38 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2016 17:11:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KPA500 problem on 6M Message-ID: HiI had the same with a 160m antenna. Turned out to be a connector that would fail over 120w .?Obviously it's not the kpa500. ?Tom Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Carl Yaffey Date: 2016-12-03 4:57 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft List Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KPA500 problem on 6M Bottom line: I can?t get more than 200 watts out of my new KPA500 on 6M. It faults (HI SWR FAULT) when I try to increase the drive in order to get more output. But I get full power on 6 with a dummy load. Bad antenna? Don?t think so. Here?s my setup: 3 element M2 6M beam fed with high cost, low loss coax. Very low SWR and works great until I try to get more than 200 watts out of the amp. I also have an R8 vertical and an HF dipole, both of which tune up on 6 with my new KAT500. When running the amp at 200 watts, the swr indicator shows low swr with the KAT500 and any of the 3 antennas. As soon as I increase the drive with any of the 3 antennas, I get the fault. When running the amp without the KAT and the beam hooked directly in, same fault when increasing drive. The beam looks good in an MFJ antenna analyzer as does the R8. So, I think the amp must be extremely sensitive to anything other than a pure 1:1 load as provided by the dummy load. Your thoughts? Carl, K8NU Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com http://www.bluesswing.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From pfizenmayer at q.com Sat Dec 3 18:55:57 2016 From: pfizenmayer at q.com (HankP) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 18:55:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KPA500 problem on 6M In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1428246422.4178159.1480809357680.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Are you sure its only putting out 200 watts on 6 ??? MIne started acting that way a few weeks after I assembled it , was perfect whenI first ran thru the tests but later started doing exactly waht you describe . With an external Array Solutions Powermaster wattmeter and good dummy load it was in fact putting out more than 500 watts when the meter said 200 watts or so. Look at votlage and current and see how they compare with say 10 meters . FWIW - mine runs about 14.2 amps and 62.4 volts on 28.025 mhz for 500 out and on 50.1 mhz about 15.8 amps at 61.5 volts. Wattmeter reads withing about 10 watts or so compared to my AS Powermaster . SWR of my dummy load with all the assorted cabling using ANT3 port after letting it tune with the DL runs about 1.1 on 6 and 1.2 on 10 KPA500 readings - the Powermaster says its a tad better . All I can figure is its little digital brain got confused in mine and the 6 meter calibration went to pot - I re set it and it has been fine ever since. Manual tells how to do that . Anyhow something to look at . 73 Hank K7HP ----- Original Message ----- > Bottom line: I can?t get more than 200 watts out of my new KPA500 on > 6M. It faults (HI SWR FAULT) when I try to increase the drive in order > to get more output. > But I get full power on 6 with a dummy load. > Bad antenna? Don?t think so. Here?s my setup: > 3 element M2 6M beam fed with high cost, low loss coax. Very low SWR > and works great until I try to get more than 200 watts out of the amp. > I also have an R8 vertical and an HF dipole, both of which tune up on > 6 with my new KAT500. > When running the amp at 200 watts, the swr indicator shows low swr > with the KAT500 and any of the 3 antennas. As soon as I increase the > drive with any of the 3 antennas, I get the fault. > When running the amp without the KAT and the beam hooked directly in, > same fault when increasing drive. > The beam looks good in an MFJ antenna analyzer as does the R8. > So, I think the amp must be extremely sensitive to anything other than > a pure 1:1 load as provided by the dummy load. > Your thoughts? > Carl, K8NU > Carl Yaffey K8NU > Recording studio. > cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com > 614 268 6353, Columbus OH > http://www.carl-yaffey.com > http://www.grassahol.com > http://www.bluesswing.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pfizenmayer at q.com From gkidder at ilstu.edu Sat Dec 3 20:14:26 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 20:14:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Help with remote side tone setup In-Reply-To: <20161203154231.DNR25.354218.imail@fed1rmwml213> References: <20161203154231.DNR25.354218.imail@fed1rmwml213> Message-ID: The following answered my similar question: The version I received was 5.53, and the monitor tone is back. George, W3HBM I believe this is corrected in the latest field-test firmware release (5.53) which I'll send you. 73, Wayne N6KR On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Classe Bergman wrote: Hi, Today I upgraded my K3 with new FW, I was using 5.38/2.86 and I installed 5.50/2.87 I then discovered that the CW Monitor audio was lost on Lin Out. First I tought that some settings was messed up but could not find anything. I then downgraded my K3 to 5.38/2.86 and the CW Monitor audio was back ! I found that if I change settings from LIN OUT = "Nor"as I normaly use to "=Phones", the CW Monitor audio comes back. So something have changed the function of Line Out audio in the new FW release. Since all audio levels follows the Front AF vol when using "=Phones" this mess up levels to my soundcard in the PC. My K3 s/n 1464 have the old KIO board without USB interface Is this a known bug ( or maybe a feature ..) ? 73 Classe SM3GSK On 12/3/2016 3:42 PM, Jim - KE8G wrote: > Hi All, > I am having a problem and I hope someone out there might be able to help me. > > I am putting the final touches on setting up the station to operate remotely. I have used this setup last year and it worked perfectly. This year I am having a problem with receiving the CW side tone. > > Here's the set up: > Both the remote & control PCs are running Win7 64 bit. > I am using a Webrelay to turn on the K3. > I am using TeamViewer to remote into the "remote" PC. > I am using Win4K3Suite to control the raido. > I am using N1mm+ for my logging/contesting, etc. > I use Skype on both computers to hear the audio from the K3 radio and see the P3 via webcam > > On the control side, I can hear the background noise and stations and work (S7P and run) with no problem, just can't hear my side tone. > > I come to the "remote" side, using N1MM+ for S&P and run, I can hear everything including the side tone. > > For some reason, the side tone is not coming over to the control PC. > > I think that's everything! > > Any ideas? Maybe a setting? The Monitor level is set fine on the K3, so that's not the problem. > > I contacted Tom, author of Win4K3Suite and he suggested I contact this group. > > Thanks in advance, > 73 de Jim - KE8G > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu From KE8G at cox.net Sat Dec 3 21:16:25 2016 From: KE8G at cox.net (KE8G) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 21:16:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Help with remote side tone setup In-Reply-To: References: <20161203154231.DNR25.354218.imail@fed1rmwml213> Message-ID: <968DCC22-0B95-431D-A193-F3A0C895F156@cox.net> George, That did the trick! Thanks for helping me out. 73 de Jim - KE8G Sent from my iPad > On Dec 3, 2016, at 8:14 PM, George Kidder wrote: > > The following answered my similar question: The version I received was 5.53, and the monitor tone is back. > > George, W3HBM > > I believe this is corrected in the latest field-test firmware release (5.53) which I'll send you. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Classe Bergman wrote: > > Hi, > Today I upgraded my K3 with new FW, I was using 5.38/2.86 and I installed > 5.50/2.87 > I then discovered that the CW Monitor audio was lost on Lin Out. First I > tought that some settings was messed up but could not find anything. I > then downgraded my K3 to 5.38/2.86 and the CW Monitor audio was back ! I > found that if I change settings from LIN OUT = "Nor"as I normaly use to > "=Phones", the CW Monitor audio comes back. So something have changed the > function of Line Out audio in the new FW release. > Since all audio levels follows the Front AF vol when using "=Phones" this > mess up levels to my soundcard in the PC. My K3 s/n 1464 have the old KIO > board without USB interface > > Is this a known bug ( or maybe a feature ..) ? > > 73 Classe SM3GSK > > >> On 12/3/2016 3:42 PM, Jim - KE8G wrote: >> Hi All, >> I am having a problem and I hope someone out there might be able to help me. >> >> I am putting the final touches on setting up the station to operate remotely. I have used this setup last year and it worked perfectly. This year I am having a problem with receiving the CW side tone. >> >> Here's the set up: >> Both the remote & control PCs are running Win7 64 bit. >> I am using a Webrelay to turn on the K3. >> I am using TeamViewer to remote into the "remote" PC. >> I am using Win4K3Suite to control the raido. >> I am using N1mm+ for my logging/contesting, etc. >> I use Skype on both computers to hear the audio from the K3 radio and see the P3 via webcam >> >> On the control side, I can hear the background noise and stations and work (S7P and run) with no problem, just can't hear my side tone. >> >> I come to the "remote" side, using N1MM+ for S&P and run, I can hear everything including the side tone. >> >> For some reason, the side tone is not coming over to the control PC. >> >> I think that's everything! >> >> Any ideas? Maybe a setting? The Monitor level is set fine on the K3, so that's not the problem. >> >> I contacted Tom, author of Win4K3Suite and he suggested I contact this group. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> 73 de Jim - KE8G >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ke8g at cox.net From adb66856 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 3 21:34:58 2016 From: adb66856 at yahoo.com (Allen Bush) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 02:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] WTB SP3 References: <1606686131.5971972.1480818898273.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1606686131.5971972.1480818898273@mail.yahoo.com> Looking for a nice used SP3 speaker to round out my K-Line.? Anyone have one to sell?? THANKS!? Allen, W0OUU From kevinr at coho.net Sat Dec 3 23:57:55 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 20:57:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <8e0f8312-1774-395a-400f-cc99e395f60f@coho.net> Good Evening, While scanning the bands I have found a few signals; I know my radio works. However, upon calling people the odds of them responding are double plus ungood. The bands just don't seem very responsive. The sun has been sending a few ions our way though with more spots showing. A lull in the decline. Weather has been cooling and quite wet, not torrential, just seasonal. That is due to change tomorrow when the snow starts. I have been watching the cold clouds push over the taller mountains of the Coast Range south of me. Each dollop of dense, cold cloud rolls down the mountain only to splash into the cloud layer below creating a wave which propagates across the valley and back again with a period of over a minute. If only my RF waves would propagate as well. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 00:41:21 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 07:41:21 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KPA500 problem on 6M In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70443EE9-51AC-4E86-BC2F-11189E65BF3E@gmail.com> Look at any cables, switches and connectors that are common to the various antennas. If it is OK with the dummy load, that points to it not being the KPA. Vic 4X6GP > On 3 Dec 2016, at 23:57, Carl Yaffey wrote: > > Bottom line: I can?t get more than 200 watts out of my new KPA500 on 6M. It faults (HI SWR FAULT) when I try to increase the drive in order to get more output. > But I get full power on 6 with a dummy load. > > Bad antenna? Don?t think so. Here?s my setup: > 3 element M2 6M beam fed with high cost, low loss coax. Very low SWR and works great until I try to get more than 200 watts out of the amp. > I also have an R8 vertical and an HF dipole, both of which tune up on 6 with my new KAT500. > When running the amp at 200 watts, the swr indicator shows low swr with the KAT500 and any of the 3 antennas. As soon as I increase the drive with any of the 3 antennas, I get the fault. > When running the amp without the KAT and the beam hooked directly in, same fault when increasing drive. > > The beam looks good in an MFJ antenna analyzer as does the R8. > > So, I think the amp must be extremely sensitive to anything other than a pure 1:1 load as provided by the dummy load. > Your thoughts? > Carl, K8NU > > > > Carl Yaffey K8NU > > Recording studio. > cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com > 614 268 6353, Columbus OH > http://www.carl-yaffey.com > http://www.grassahol.com > http://www.bluesswing.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Dec 4 00:54:14 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 21:54:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KPA500 problem on 6M In-Reply-To: <70443EE9-51AC-4E86-BC2F-11189E65BF3E@gmail.com> References: <70443EE9-51AC-4E86-BC2F-11189E65BF3E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15d27573-d723-2f91-7125-04cdd7ff38da@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,12/3/2016 9:41 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > Look at any cables, switches and connectors that are common to the various antennas. Yes. Lots of "off-brand" coax is junk. So are most un-branded connectors. If the PL29-style connector doesn't say Amphenol 83-1SP, it's probably junk. How well is the connector soldered or crimped? If crimped, was it done with the "official" crimper for the "official" crimp connector that matches THAT specific coax? If not, it's suspect. Are you using any of those shiny adapters that are sold at hamfests for a few bucks? They're JUNK! Ask me how I know. :) They have caused me many problems that were tricky to diagnose. IMO, the only GOOD coax connectors say "Amphenol" on them, or are ancient MIL-spec parts with MIL numbers stamped into them. I snap up stuff like this when I find it at ham flea markets. 73, Jim K9YC From k6xk at ncn.net Sun Dec 4 05:44:50 2016 From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 04:44:50 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s most basic problem this morning Message-ID: Power will not turn on! Nothing. Measured correct voltage at end of power cable. Switched to a different power supply -- same. Manual mentions very little about this? The circuit breaker under antenna 3, marked '20' on back of rig is not in popped-out condition. Rig is under warranty, so I don't want to tear into it very deeply. Can someone please embarrass me with an easy answer or clue? Thanks, 73, Roy K6XK Iowa From k6xk at ncn.net Sun Dec 4 06:25:32 2016 From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 05:25:32 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] most basic problem Message-ID: <9C9448236CBA4ED8965A443EA334C3DB@ROYKOEPPEHP> Trouble 'came clear' on its own! Is reliable. Thanks for helpful thoughts from y'all...perhaps was a small EMP. 73, Roy K6XK From va3mw at portcredit.net Sun Dec 4 08:30:12 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Mike va3mw) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 08:30:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KPA500 problem on 6M In-Reply-To: <15d27573-d723-2f91-7125-04cdd7ff38da@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <70443EE9-51AC-4E86-BC2F-11189E65BF3E@gmail.com> <15d27573-d723-2f91-7125-04cdd7ff38da@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <82D5EA52-7EBF-48CC-B315-DE8DC7ECE9EF@portcredit.net> As quoted If the amp works on a dummy load, then look beyond the amp at this time until you have eliminated everything else. Somewhere else you are getting a voltage breakdown that is arcing and tripping off the amp due to high swr. An MFJ analyzer will not show that. Mike va3mw > On Dec 4, 2016, at 12:54 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Sat,12/3/2016 9:41 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: >> Look at any cables, switches and connectors that are common to the various antennas. > > Yes. Lots of "off-brand" coax is junk. So are most un-branded connectors. If the PL29-style connector doesn't say Amphenol 83-1SP, it's probably junk. How well is the connector soldered or crimped? If crimped, was it done with the "official" crimper for the "official" crimp connector that matches THAT specific coax? If not, it's suspect. > > Are you using any of those shiny adapters that are sold at hamfests for a few bucks? They're JUNK! Ask me how I know. :) They have caused me many problems that were tricky to diagnose. > > IMO, the only GOOD coax connectors say "Amphenol" on them, or are ancient MIL-spec parts with MIL numbers stamped into them. I snap up stuff like this when I find it at ham flea markets. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net From bruce.chadbourne at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 09:24:26 2016 From: bruce.chadbourne at gmail.com (Bruce Chadbourne) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 09:24:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) Message-ID: Greetings - I've had my K3 for 5 years, mostly a CW and digital operator. I've never done much with my microphone - just repurposing an Turner454X crystal mic. I keep wondering if I'd be having more phun with a new 'phone. Without starting a holy war, perhaps a few of you could make a recommendation as to a specific slightly-better-than budget model. Better still, with Christmas coming, maybe you're eyeing a fancy upgrade for yourself and would like to sell me your modestly-priced pre-owned mic(?). 73 to all, Merry Christmas Bruce KE1CY @ arrl.net From n0nb at n0nb.us Sun Dec 4 10:02:01 2016 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 09:02:01 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20161204150200.GF16755@n0nb.us> For a desk mic I use a Kenwood MC-60A. It has some known issues and I did some work on it to quell some RFI though the best improvement was getting a good ground into the shack. It seems to work well. 73, Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 4 10:04:16 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 10:04:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bruce, If you want to go really cheap, get a "computer" microphone, plug it into the back of the K3, turn on bias, turn the TX EQ two lowest bands down as far as they will go and the third band down 6dB. If you want some high frequency shaping, increase the highest 3 bands a bit. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/4/2016 9:24 AM, Bruce Chadbourne wrote: > Greetings - I've had my K3 for 5 years, mostly a CW and digital operator. > I've never done much with my microphone - just repurposing an Turner454X > crystal mic. I keep wondering if I'd be having more phun with a new > 'phone. Without starting a holy war, perhaps a few of you could make a > recommendation as to a specific slightly-better-than budget model. From w1go at icloud.com Sun Dec 4 10:11:29 2016 From: w1go at icloud.com (W1GO (Joe)) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2016 10:11:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92AC49AE-A2CB-4AEC-AD3B-75AF7D4F5A04@icloud.com> Bruce, You'll get a ton of responses and most will be, "don't spend a lot"; most mics work fine with the K3's EQ. I do agree with Nate. I use a Kenwood 60A (keep preamp off) and do quite well. There are potential issues with RF, but the fix is pretty easy. Because there has been a bad reputation of RF issues with the mic, you can usually pick up used ones pretty inexpensively and if it hasn't been modified, it's an easy fix (15 min) to do so. Also, the same pinouts make the Kenwood mic a "plug and play." Joe W1GO > On Dec 4, 2016, at 09:24, Bruce Chadbourne wrote: > > Greetings - I've had my K3 for 5 years, mostly a CW and digital operator. > I've never done much with my microphone - just repurposing an Turner454X > crystal mic. I keep wondering if I'd be having more phun with a new > 'phone. Without starting a holy war, perhaps a few of you could make a > recommendation as to a specific slightly-better-than budget model. > Better still, with Christmas coming, maybe you're eyeing a fancy upgrade > for yourself and would like to sell me your modestly-priced pre-owned > mic(?). > 73 to all, Merry Christmas > Bruce KE1CY @ arrl.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1go at icloud.com From dmoes at nexicom.net Sun Dec 4 10:52:15 2016 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2016 10:52:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) Message-ID: <58443baf.5777.5180d940.3e8d5e78@nexicom.net> I have 2 mics one on an old articulated lamp arm dynamic I bought at a surplus store. It was a cheep knock of of a shure SM58 cost me $4.00 get tons of good audio remarks. just makes me wonder why others need $300 condensers. Second and a popular one on K3 is the Yamaha CM500 headset with boom mic. good audio both listening and transmit. the truth is any comfortable computer headset with mic will work very well for you. the transmit EQ is your friend with any mic. David Moes VE3SD > --- Original message --- > Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) > From: Bruce Chadbourne > To: > Date: Sunday, 04/12/2016 9:25 AM > > Greetings - I've had my K3 for 5 years, mostly a CW and digital > operator. > I've never done much with my microphone - just repurposing an > Turner454X > crystal mic. I keep wondering if I'd be having more phun with a new > 'phone. Without starting a holy war, perhaps a few of you could make > a > recommendation as to a specific slightly-better-than budget model. > Better still, with Christmas coming, maybe you're eyeing a fancy > upgrade > for yourself and would like to sell me your modestly-priced pre-owned > mic(?). > 73 to all, Merry Christmas > Bruce KE1CY @ arrl.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net From n8lp at telepostinc.com Sun Dec 4 11:02:17 2016 From: n8lp at telepostinc.com (Larry Phipps) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 11:02:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58443E09.3030400@telepostinc.com> Have you tried adjusting the buffer settings in Device Mgr for your serial port? Larry N8LP Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 09:33:33 -0500 From: George Kidder To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed OK, gang! I've tried everything I can think of, and am now looking for some additional thoughts. Equipment: K3 (unmodified) with firmware 5.53, computer (2.99 GHz dual core, 4 GB memory) running Win 7, LP-Bridge (LPB) set for 200 mS delay. The computer is not connected to the internet, and all programs are brought in from another computer using a flash drive. Problem: At random but long intervals (hours) LP-Bridge crashes, displaying error 13 (type mismatch). Clearing this window causes program to close. This behavior is seen with no external programs connected to LPB, and with LPB set to any polling rate from 200 mS (default) to as much as 1000 mS. It is seen when LPB2 is used and the baud rate is reduced to 4800. When the crash occurs, the error seems to be in a response from the K3 - for instance, the "Rig Received Text" window shows "IS 0|00;" while it should show "IS 0600;". In this case the K3 was set to CW mode. In LSB mode, the same window shows "CW 6+;" where I presume it should have been "CW 60;". This damaged text shows up in all windows (Rig received, K3 Com port, Power SCR-IF Aux CAT port, etc.) Attempted resolution includes reloading the K3 firmware and reloading LPB from the website after clearing out all remnants of the old program. Nothing helps - LPB still crashes when allowed to run for several hours. Other programs not affected. Computer is on a UPS, so momentary power outage would not be a cause (even if there should be one every night!) Clearly, there is a communication failure between the K3 and LPB, since it occurs with nothing else connected. Is the problem with the K3, LBP or the Win 7 operating system which sits between them? And what more can I try to fix it? Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated. George, W3HBM From n6fb at aol.com Sun Dec 4 11:07:34 2016 From: n6fb at aol.com (n6fb at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 11:07:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-100 for sale Message-ID: <158ca972797-350b-4c83@webprd-m90.mail.aol.com> Mint condition K3-100 with Astron power supply and mike for sale. K3 has ATU, 400 hz roofing filter and voice recorder installed. For CW ops, I can also provide a Ham Gadgets keyer and blue tooth connected keyboard. Contact me off line at N6FB at aol.com From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 12:40:17 2016 From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (gliderboy1955) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2016 09:40:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KXPA100] Gone Mental Message-ID: <5lsmqdj07p9afejibe0squ5k.1480873217635@email.android.com> My KXPA100 won't respond to front panel button pushing when used with FT817 in basic mode. ?I can't change antennas or get it to tune when in either AUTO or MAN mode. ?When in the Utility it shows no inductors or caps selected. ?I've reloaded the firmware 3 times. ?Numerous power cycles. ?Message sent to elecraft support, but wondering if anyone has some ideas. Thanks Eric WD6DBM Sent on my Samsung Galaxy S? 6. From gkidder at ilstu.edu Sun Dec 4 18:43:53 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 18:43:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 In-Reply-To: <58443E09.3030400@telepostinc.com> References: <58443E09.3030400@telepostinc.com> Message-ID: No I have not, Larry. What settings do you recommend for starters? George On 12/4/2016 11:02 AM, Larry Phipps wrote: > Have you tried adjusting the buffer settings in Device Mgr for your > serial port? > > Larry N8LP > > Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 09:33:33 -0500 > From: George Kidder > To: 'Elecraft Reflector' > Subject: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > OK, gang! I've tried everything I can think of, and am now looking for > some additional thoughts. > > Equipment: K3 (unmodified) with firmware 5.53, computer (2.99 GHz dual > core, 4 GB memory) running Win 7, LP-Bridge (LPB) set for 200 mS delay. > The computer is not connected to the internet, and all programs are > brought in from another computer using a flash drive. > > Problem: At random but long intervals (hours) LP-Bridge crashes, > displaying error 13 (type mismatch). Clearing this window causes > program to close. This behavior is seen with no external programs > connected to LPB, and with LPB set to any polling rate from 200 mS > (default) to as much as 1000 mS. It is seen when LPB2 is used and the > baud rate is reduced to 4800. When the crash occurs, the error seems to > be in a response from the K3 - for instance, the "Rig Received Text" > window shows "IS 0|00;" while it should show "IS 0600;". In this case > the K3 was set to CW mode. In LSB mode, the same window shows "CW 6+;" > where I presume it should have been "CW 60;". This damaged text shows > up in all windows (Rig received, K3 Com port, Power SCR-IF Aux CAT port, > etc.) > > Attempted resolution includes reloading the K3 firmware and reloading > LPB from the website after clearing out all remnants of the old > program. Nothing helps - LPB still crashes when allowed to run for > several hours. Other programs not affected. Computer is on a UPS, so > momentary power outage would not be a cause (even if there should be one > every night!) > > Clearly, there is a communication failure between the K3 and LPB, since > it occurs with nothing else connected. Is the problem with the K3, LBP > or the Win 7 operating system which sits between them? And what more > can I try to fix it? > > Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated. > > George, W3HBM > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu From w0mu at w0mu.com Sun Dec 4 20:10:09 2016 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 18:10:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KPA500 problem on 6M In-Reply-To: <82D5EA52-7EBF-48CC-B315-DE8DC7ECE9EF@portcredit.net> References: <70443EE9-51AC-4E86-BC2F-11189E65BF3E@gmail.com> <15d27573-d723-2f91-7125-04cdd7ff38da@audiosystemsgroup.com> <82D5EA52-7EBF-48CC-B315-DE8DC7ECE9EF@portcredit.net> Message-ID: <9e6bb669-9e82-890d-ebe0-63830e9acf9c@w0mu.com> Low pass filter in line? On 12/4/2016 6:30 AM, Mike va3mw wrote: > As quoted > > If the amp works on a dummy load, then look beyond the amp at this time until you have eliminated everything else. > > Somewhere else you are getting a voltage breakdown that is arcing and tripping off the amp due to high swr. An MFJ analyzer will not show that. > > Mike va3mw > >> On Dec 4, 2016, at 12:54 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >>> On Sat,12/3/2016 9:41 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: >>> Look at any cables, switches and connectors that are common to the various antennas. >> Yes. Lots of "off-brand" coax is junk. So are most un-branded connectors. If the PL29-style connector doesn't say Amphenol 83-1SP, it's probably junk. How well is the connector soldered or crimped? If crimped, was it done with the "official" crimper for the "official" crimp connector that matches THAT specific coax? If not, it's suspect. >> >> Are you using any of those shiny adapters that are sold at hamfests for a few bucks? They're JUNK! Ask me how I know. :) They have caused me many problems that were tricky to diagnose. >> >> IMO, the only GOOD coax connectors say "Amphenol" on them, or are ancient MIL-spec parts with MIL numbers stamped into them. I snap up stuff like this when I find it at ham flea markets. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com From dj0qn at gmx.net Sun Dec 4 20:39:48 2016 From: dj0qn at gmx.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mitch_Wolfson=2c_DJ=c3=98QN_/_K7DX?=) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 20:39:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Running KPA500 and KAT500 Remotely Without K3 Message-ID: A friend of mine no longer has a K3, but still uses his KPA500 and KAT500 locally. I recently helped him setup a remote station using a TS-480 and a pair of RemoteRig RRC's. Now he wishes to remote his KPA500 and KAT500 as well, so I am trying to figure out how to do this, as I have no experience with those two units. My intention was to use the available serial server COM1 port of the RRC's and the available clients from Elecraft. No PC will be running at the radio location (don't even suggest it!). It looks to me as if there will be no problem using the KPA500, which has a standard serial port that he can run to the RRC COM1. I assume that the Elecraft client will work in that configuration (sanity check here, please). The problem appears to be the KAT500. As far as I can tell, it only has a small plug on the back that uses a standard USB cable called KXUSB, which of course he can't use to remote. I do see a KXSER available that would allow the KAT500 to be controlled via a serial port, but then he would need an additional serial port server in addition to the RRC, unless he gives-up CAT on COM2. My questions: - Assuming he gets a KXSER, would that work as I assumed using a serial port server and the Elecraft client (again, sanity check)? - Is if there is a way to daisy chain the KPA500 and KAT500 to allow control of both using one serial port? It looks to me as if you can daisy chain them using the optional DB15 cable E850463 (no sexy Elecraft name for that one), but that would only provide band data and no true control using the client. Here I need some input. The last question is how to turn the KPA500 and KAT500 on and off. Is the Elecraft client software able to do that using the serial ports? He will be returning from Ohio to here in Florida starting from the holidays until May, so I need to figure this out real soon to help him get it working before he leaves. Thanks & 73, Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX -- Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109 Skype: mitchwo USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171 Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Dec 4 21:46:56 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:46:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1CD71F92-8935-4E89-8F2E-ACC2EAC90CB2@widomaker.com> I have a Heil HM-12. Inexpensive and good sound. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 4, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Bruce Chadbourne wrote: > > Greetings - I've had my K3 for 5 years, mostly a CW and digital operator. > I've never done much with my microphone - just repurposing an Turner454X > crystal mic. I keep wondering if I'd be having more phun with a new > 'phone. Without starting a holy war, perhaps a few of you could make a > recommendation as to a specific slightly-better-than budget model. > Better still, with Christmas coming, maybe you're eyeing a fancy upgrade > for yourself and would like to sell me your modestly-priced pre-owned > mic(?). > 73 to all, Merry Christmas > Bruce KE1CY @ arrl.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From ron at cobi.biz Sun Dec 4 23:06:57 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 20:06:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004101d24ead$062ee110$128ca330$@biz> Fun is whatever is fun for you. If a nice looking new microphone is it, go for it! Half a century ago when microphones were still hand-made the more expensive ones were significantly better than the cheap variety. Considerably more labor went into assembling each element, and more elements failed to meet specs and so had to be discarded or reworked. But these days microphone manufacturing is entirely automated and a machine can crank out endless identically-performing high-quality elements in a tiny fraction of the time a human could. It's also why you can buy a first-quality wristwatch at an absurdly low cost today. A really fine microphone element can be bought for under USD$5. The rest of the cost is in the case, chrome, stand, etc., just as the cost of the wristwatch is in its case and band. In both cases, the cost can be anything from reasonable to the absurd. It's all in what you want to spend. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Chadbourne Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 6:24 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) Greetings - I've had my K3 for 5 years, mostly a CW and digital operator. I've never done much with my microphone - just repurposing an Turner454X crystal mic. I keep wondering if I'd be having more phun with a new 'phone. Without starting a holy war, perhaps a few of you could make a recommendation as to a specific slightly-better-than budget model. Better still, with Christmas coming, maybe you're eyeing a fancy upgrade for yourself and would like to sell me your modestly-priced pre-owned mic(?). 73 to all, Merry Christmas Bruce KE1CY @ arrl.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sun Dec 4 23:20:10 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 20:20:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) In-Reply-To: <004101d24ead$062ee110$128ca330$@biz> References: <004101d24ead$062ee110$128ca330$@biz> Message-ID: <85e88939-50b5-465a-e8b4-da25bb865ce3@roadrunner.com> *Piggybacking on Ron, since I couldn't find the original email. I use a Heil Goldline with H4 and H5 elements, and I have an MH3. I've used both and no one can tell the difference because of the TX EQ. I suspect Don's earlier reply is spot-on as well. You can tailor any modern mass-produced mic to your wishes with the EQ, and it should work quite well. This includes inexpensive condenser(electret) mics. 73, matt W6NIA On 12/4/2016 8:06 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Fun is whatever is fun for you. If a nice looking new microphone is it, go > for it! > > Half a century ago when microphones were still hand-made the more expensive > ones were significantly better than the cheap variety. Considerably more > labor went into assembling each element, and more elements failed to meet > specs and so had to be discarded or reworked. > > But these days microphone manufacturing is entirely automated and a machine > can crank out endless identically-performing high-quality elements in a tiny > fraction of the time a human could. It's also why you can buy a > first-quality wristwatch at an absurdly low cost today. > > A really fine microphone element can be bought for under USD$5. > > The rest of the cost is in the case, chrome, stand, etc., just as the cost > of the wristwatch is in its case and band. In both cases, the cost can be > anything from reasonable to the absurd. It's all in what you want to spend. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bruce > Chadbourne > Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 6:24 AM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) > > Greetings - I've had my K3 for 5 years, mostly a CW and digital operator. > I've never done much with my microphone - just repurposing an Turner454X > crystal mic. I keep wondering if I'd be having more phun with a new 'phone. > Without starting a holy war, perhaps a few of you could make a > recommendation as to a specific slightly-better-than budget model. > Better still, with Christmas coming, maybe you're eyeing a fancy upgrade for > yourself and would like to sell me your modestly-priced pre-owned mic(?). > 73 to all, Merry Christmas > Bruce KE1CY @ arrl.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Shiraz] From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Dec 4 23:34:01 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 20:34:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bruce, As others have noted, almost any mic that isn't "broke" can be made to sound very good with the TXEQ in your K3. Something like 8 years ago, a member of our contest club who is, like me, an audio professional, the Yamaha CM500 boom mic headset and introduced our club to it. I've used it ever since, and am quite happy with it. It's very comfortable to wear, both headphones and mic sound great with the radio. It plugs straight into the rear panel. A few tweaks and you're ready to go. Other very good SSB operators have recommended a competing model, the Koss SB-45, which is described as quite similar. FWIW, I always liked Turner mics for the paging systems that I maintained as a young engineer just starting out. A year or so ago, I prepared a tutorial on the topic of how to get good audio on the air. It's here. http://k9yc.com/ContestAudio.pdf 73, Jim K9YC On Sun,12/4/2016 6:24 AM, Bruce Chadbourne wrote: > Greetings - I've had my K3 for 5 years, mostly a CW and digital operator. > I've never done much with my microphone - just repurposing an Turner454X > crystal mic. I keep wondering if I'd be having more phun with a new > 'phone. Without starting a holy war, perhaps a few of you could make a > recommendation as to a specific slightly-better-than budget model. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 4 23:36:57 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 23:36:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) In-Reply-To: <85e88939-50b5-465a-e8b4-da25bb865ce3@roadrunner.com> References: <004101d24ead$062ee110$128ca330$@biz> <85e88939-50b5-465a-e8b4-da25bb865ce3@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: I hesitate to refer to the common electret microphones as "condenser" mics. While many refer to the electret element microphones as "condenser" microphones, be aware that in the pro-audio world, "condenser" microphones are different - they usually require 48 volt Phantom Voltage. They may be similar in the basic element, but the implementation is different. An Electret mic element requires only a bias through a 5K to 10k resistor to the AF line. If you invest in a pro-audio "condenser" microphone, it will not work on the bias voltage designed for electret elements. Ham microphones are the Electret type, pro-audio Condenser microphones are different. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/4/2016 11:20 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > *Piggybacking on Ron, since I couldn't find the original email. > > I use a Heil Goldline with H4 and H5 elements, and I have an MH3. I've > used both and no one can tell the difference because of the TX EQ. I > suspect Don's earlier reply is spot-on as well. You can tailor any > modern mass-produced mic to your wishes with the EQ, and it should work > quite well. This includes inexpensive condenser(electret) mics. > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Dec 5 00:32:55 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:32:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) In-Reply-To: References: <004101d24ead$062ee110$128ca330$@biz> <85e88939-50b5-465a-e8b4-da25bb865ce3@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <77dd8432-be0b-6de5-fd6a-b8a038310f3e@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,12/4/2016 8:36 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Ham microphones are the Electret type, pro-audio Condenser microphones > are different. Yes, they are POWERED differently, but the vast majority (I'd guess 90%) of pro mics that are called condenser mics are electrets. BUT -- that powering system REQUIRES that they feed a balanced input and have "balanced phantom power." That system applies a positive voltage in the range of 18 - 48VDC through close-tolerance, equal value resistors to the two sides of the balanced signal circuit (pins 2 and 3 of the XL-connector) with return for DC going to the cable shield (Pin 1). The unbalanced electret mics we use in ham radio only require a positive voltage as bias for a FET-follower stage that transforms the very high output impedance of the capsule to an impedance low enough to drive mic inputs. The balanced outputs of pro electrets have an additional gain stage with an output impedance low enough to drive a long mic cable. 48V phantom is applied through 6.8K resistors; 18V phantom is applied through resistors of lower value. Virtually all pro mics will work with 48V, and most will work with 18V, but most non-electret condensers require 48V. 73, Jim K9YC From dl2ydp at mail.ru Mon Dec 5 04:30:56 2016 From: dl2ydp at mail.ru (Roger) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 02:30:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) In-Reply-To: <77dd8432-be0b-6de5-fd6a-b8a038310f3e@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <85e88939-50b5-465a-e8b4-da25bb865ce3@roadrunner.com> <77dd8432-be0b-6de5-fd6a-b8a038310f3e@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1480930256984-7624472.post@n2.nabble.com> Bruce, i use a Shure 450 Series II and it works fine and you dont need the TXEQ or BIAS. Roger DL2YDP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Appropriate-Mic-for-K3-new-tp7624456p7624472.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at subich.com Mon Dec 5 07:59:27 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 07:59:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) In-Reply-To: <77dd8432-be0b-6de5-fd6a-b8a038310f3e@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <004101d24ead$062ee110$128ca330$@biz> <85e88939-50b5-465a-e8b4-da25bb865ce3@roadrunner.com> <77dd8432-be0b-6de5-fd6a-b8a038310f3e@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <781a5a83-ec7c-8207-e114-882af33512a7@subich.com> > That system applies a positive voltage in the > range of 18 - 48VDC through close-tolerance, equal value resistors to > the two sides of the balanced signal circuit (pins 2 and 3 of the > XL-connector) with return for DC going to the cable shield (Pin 1). While modern professional condenser mics use phantom power applied through high value resistors, the *original* connection was between the *center tap* of the audio console input transformer and shield of the cable. In those days a much higher current was required to power *tube preamplifiers*. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/5/2016 12:32 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sun,12/4/2016 8:36 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Ham microphones are the Electret type, pro-audio Condenser microphones >> are different. > > Yes, they are POWERED differently, but the vast majority (I'd guess 90%) > of pro mics that are called condenser mics are electrets. BUT -- that > powering system REQUIRES that they feed a balanced input and have > "balanced phantom power." That system applies a positive voltage in the > range of 18 - 48VDC through close-tolerance, equal value resistors to > the two sides of the balanced signal circuit (pins 2 and 3 of the > XL-connector) with return for DC going to the cable shield (Pin 1). > > The unbalanced electret mics we use in ham radio only require a positive > voltage as bias for a FET-follower stage that transforms the very high > output impedance of the capsule to an impedance low enough to drive mic > inputs. The balanced outputs of pro electrets have an additional gain > stage with an output impedance low enough to drive a long mic cable. > > 48V phantom is applied through 6.8K resistors; 18V phantom is applied > through resistors of lower value. Virtually all pro mics will work with > 48V, and most will work with 18V, but most non-electret condensers > require 48V. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From nz8j at woh.rr.com Mon Dec 5 08:50:13 2016 From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (Tim Cook) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 08:50:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT2 Tuner issue (Ant 1 / Ant 2 switching) Message-ID: <000e01d24efe$80971390$81c53ab0$@woh.rr.com> I just discovered that I have a problem with my new (to me) K2. It appears that the antenna switch is stuck on antenna 1. Switching between Ant 1 and Antenna 2 with the feedline on Ant 1 doesn't change a thing in terms of receive signals. The ANT2 indicator turns on when pressing the ANT 1/2 but in reality it isn't switching. The tuner works fine when on antenna one. There are no signals received when the feedline is on Ant 2 and the indicator for Ant 2 is illuminated. With the tuner out of line (CALP or CALS) and switching antennas I cannot hear the relay switch between Ant 1 and Ant 2. If I put the tuner in AUTO and switch between Ant 1 and Ant 2 I can hear the tuner relays switch. Anyone run into this before? I just discovered this late last night and haven't taken the cover off yet to investigate. In a quick look at the schematic it looks like relay K18 is what switches the ant ports. Curious if this has been mentioned in the past, I did look at the archives and didn't find anything related to this. Any ideas or suggestions? I plan on taking a look at the tuner today and maybe check for voltage on K18. Never having worked on a KAT2 I don't know how difficult this will be to get at. Thanks Tim NZ8J From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 5 09:15:14 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 09:15:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT2 Tuner issue (Ant 1 / Ant 2 switching) In-Reply-To: <000e01d24efe$80971390$81c53ab0$@woh.rr.com> References: <000e01d24efe$80971390$81c53ab0$@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <2cead17b-bf7e-9cb5-842f-fdcc2a76685a@embarqmail.com> Tim, When ANT2 is selected, do you hear signals if the feedline is connected to ANT1? Are they at the same level as when ANT1 is selected? If the answer is YES to both questions, then the most likely thing is that relay K18 is not switching. If the signals are reduced when ANT2 is selected, then at least K18 is disconnecting ANT1, but ANT2 is not connected. If the relay is doing noting at all, it could be either the relay itself or the output of the firmware that is at fault. Look for other causes before changing the relay. I have seen burned leads between the BNC jack and the board (likely caused by lightning). Both the center conductor and the shell are connected to the board via leads on the back of the jack - be sure to check both. Relays K17 and K18 are on the control board - which is the upper board when the top cover is turned upside down. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/5/2016 8:50 AM, Tim Cook wrote: > I just discovered that I have a problem with my new (to me) K2. It appears > that the antenna switch is stuck on antenna 1. Switching between Ant 1 and > Antenna 2 with the feedline on Ant 1 doesn't change a thing in terms of > receive signals. The ANT2 indicator turns on when pressing the ANT 1/2 but > in reality it isn't switching. The tuner works fine when on antenna one. > There are no signals received when the feedline is on Ant 2 and the > indicator for Ant 2 is illuminated. > > > > With the tuner out of line (CALP or CALS) and switching antennas I cannot > hear the relay switch between Ant 1 and Ant 2. If I put the tuner in AUTO > and switch between Ant 1 and Ant 2 I can hear the tuner relays switch. > From K1WHS at metrocast.net Mon Dec 5 14:06:01 2016 From: K1WHS at metrocast.net (David Olean) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 19:06:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KPA500 problem on 6M In-Reply-To: <9e6bb669-9e82-890d-ebe0-63830e9acf9c@w0mu.com> References: <70443EE9-51AC-4E86-BC2F-11189E65BF3E@gmail.com> <15d27573-d723-2f91-7125-04cdd7ff38da@audiosystemsgroup.com> <82D5EA52-7EBF-48CC-B315-DE8DC7ECE9EF@portcredit.net> <9e6bb669-9e82-890d-ebe0-63830e9acf9c@w0mu.com> Message-ID: Last summer a friend of mine got a new K3s and had problems with it on just six meters. As soon as he raised power above about 10 watts, the SWR reading went crazy and the rig gave high VSWR warnings. He checked his six meter yagi with another SWR analyzer and the antenna checked good. After goofing around with it and getting nowhere, he brought it over to my place and we tried it on my six meter array. We saw the same problem here, high VSWR, but with different combinations of antennas, the K3s actually worked OK. It also worked fine into a dummy load. I got suspicious and tested the K3s with a spectrum analyzer. Sure enough the rig had a huge parasitic oscillation on about 27.4 MHz and with most of the power there, you could see how the radio would show a high SWR. It only appeared when the internal 100w PA kicked in. He did not have a KPA-500. This was just a K3s. He sent the K3s back to the factory along with some pictures of the HP spectrum analyzer screen. I am not sure if they duplicated the problem at the factory, but they applied a few changes to the PA and now it is all OK. If the K3s was to have an unwanted oscillation, it would sure mess up the KPA-500 and show high VSWR and maybe damage some filter components. If all else fails, that may be a place to look. Dave K1WHS > > > On 12/4/2016 6:30 AM, Mike va3mw wrote: >> As quoted >> >> If the amp works on a dummy load, then look beyond the amp at this >> time until you have eliminated everything else. >> >> Somewhere else you are getting a voltage breakdown that is arcing and >> tripping off the amp due to high swr. An MFJ analyzer will not show >> that. >> >> Mike va3mw >> >>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 12:54 AM, Jim Brown >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat,12/3/2016 9:41 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: >>>> Look at any cables, switches and connectors that are common to the >>>> various antennas. >>> Yes. Lots of "off-brand" coax is junk. So are most un-branded >>> connectors. If the PL29-style connector doesn't say Amphenol 83-1SP, >>> it's probably junk. How well is the connector soldered or crimped? >>> If crimped, was it done with the "official" crimper for the >>> "official" crimp connector that matches THAT specific coax? If not, >>> it's suspect. >>> >>> Are you using any of those shiny adapters that are sold at hamfests >>> for a few bucks? They're JUNK! Ask me how I know. :) They have >>> caused me many problems that were tricky to diagnose. >>> >>> IMO, the only GOOD coax connectors say "Amphenol" on them, or are >>> ancient MIL-spec parts with MIL numbers stamped into them. I snap up >>> stuff like this when I find it at ham flea markets. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> From cyaffey at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 14:31:53 2016 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 14:31:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KPA500 problem on 6M In-Reply-To: References: <70443EE9-51AC-4E86-BC2F-11189E65BF3E@gmail.com> <15d27573-d723-2f91-7125-04cdd7ff38da@audiosystemsgroup.com> <82D5EA52-7EBF-48CC-B315-DE8DC7ECE9EF@portcredit.net> <9e6bb669-9e82-890d-ebe0-63830e9acf9c@w0mu.com> Message-ID: <35416910-4725-43f6-beb3-6e855d029ea0@Spark> Wow. That was a great job of problem solving. In my case, I get the KPA fault with just 8 watts of drive from the K3S. So I doubt that?s my issue. Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com http://www.bluesswing.com On Dec 5, 2016, 2:07 PM -0500, David Olean , wrote: > Last summer a friend of mine got a new K3s and had problems with it on > just six meters. As soon as he raised power above about 10 watts, the > SWR reading went crazy and the rig gave high VSWR warnings. He checked > his six meter yagi with another SWR analyzer and the antenna checked > good. After goofing around with it and getting nowhere, he brought it > over to my place and we tried it on my six meter array. We saw the same > problem here, high VSWR, but with different combinations of antennas, > the K3s actually worked OK. It also worked fine into a dummy load. I > got suspicious and tested the K3s with a spectrum analyzer. Sure enough > the rig had a huge parasitic oscillation on about 27.4 MHz and with most > of the power there, you could see how the radio would show a high SWR. > It only appeared when the internal 100w PA kicked in. He did not have a > KPA-500. This was just a K3s. > > He sent the K3s back to the factory along with some pictures of the HP > spectrum analyzer screen. I am not sure if they duplicated the problem > at the factory, but they applied a few changes to the PA and now it is > all OK. If the K3s was to have an unwanted oscillation, it would sure > mess up the KPA-500 and show high VSWR and maybe damage some filter > components. If all else fails, that may be a place to look. > > Dave K1WHS > > > > > > > > On 12/4/2016 6:30 AM, Mike va3mw wrote: > > > As quoted > > > > > > If the amp works on a dummy load, then look beyond the amp at this > > > time until you have eliminated everything else. > > > > > > Somewhere else you are getting a voltage breakdown that is arcing and > > > tripping off the amp due to high swr. An MFJ analyzer will not show > > > that. > > > > > > Mike va3mw > > > > > > > On Dec 4, 2016, at 12:54 AM, Jim Brown > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sat,12/3/2016 9:41 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > > > > > Look at any cables, switches and connectors that are common to the > > > > > various antennas. > > > > Yes. Lots of "off-brand" coax is junk. So are most un-branded > > > > connectors. If the PL29-style connector doesn't say Amphenol 83-1SP, > > > > it's probably junk. How well is the connector soldered or crimped? > > > > If crimped, was it done with the "official" crimper for the > > > > "official" crimp connector that matches THAT specific coax? If not, > > > > it's suspect. > > > > > > > > Are you using any of those shiny adapters that are sold at hamfests > > > > for a few bucks? They're JUNK! Ask me how I know. :) They have > > > > caused me many problems that were tricky to diagnose. > > > > > > > > IMO, the only GOOD coax connectors say "Amphenol" on them, or are > > > > ancient MIL-spec parts with MIL numbers stamped into them. I snap up > > > > stuff like this when I find it at ham flea markets. > > > > > > > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cyaffey at gmail.com From aj8mh-radio at charter.net Mon Dec 5 15:22:21 2016 From: aj8mh-radio at charter.net (AJ8MH-Radio.Joe.Hutchens) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 15:22:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange KPA500 problem on 6M In-Reply-To: <35416910-4725-43f6-beb3-6e855d029ea0@Spark> References: <70443EE9-51AC-4E86-BC2F-11189E65BF3E@gmail.com> <15d27573-d723-2f91-7125-04cdd7ff38da@audiosystemsgroup.com> <82D5EA52-7EBF-48CC-B315-DE8DC7ECE9EF@portcredit.net> <9e6bb669-9e82-890d-ebe0-63830e9acf9c@w0mu.com> <35416910-4725-43f6-beb3-6e855d029ea0@Spark> Message-ID: <495f6e30-3dae-7308-794e-56c707917f14@charter.net> Had a similar problem when working for Motorola. Couldn't get the SWR down with the antenna connected. Even changed antennas. Dummy load OK. Finally looked at the signal on a spectrum analyzer and 80% of the power wasn't even close to the crystal frequency. Did you try driving the amp with another radio? You would see the same problem if the amp is oscillating. I'm assuming the K3 works fine into the same antenna... 73, Joe ( AJ8MH-Radio ) From K4MWB at ARRL.net Mon Dec 5 16:07:38 2016 From: K4MWB at ARRL.net (K4MWB) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 14:07:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] HI SIG Error on K3 Message-ID: <1480972058193-7624479.post@n2.nabble.com> Recently after updating firmware I started getting a HI SIG error in the Display's VFO B position when I power up the K3. I can power down the K3 with the HI SIG error showing, then immediately power it back on, and all works fine. Tried removing all antennas and 6m preamp, no change. Reloaded firmware, no change. When the K3 powers back up after the error, I noticed all instances of PRE are gone and ATT appears on the display. Does anyone have some words of wisdom? Thanks! -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/HI-SIG-Error-on-K3-tp7624479.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ad8p at wcoil.com Mon Dec 5 16:46:33 2016 From: ad8p at wcoil.com (Bill Gaines) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 16:46:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset/Mic Suggestions Message-ID: <7518B0757C47480FAAE66A3BFB483F51@BillPC> Since I seldom use SSB I have not had the need to ask this question and I realize the responses may vary as much as belly buttons. I have a K3 and I also have the hand held microphone. I want to obtain a headset with an attached microphone to use with this radio just in case I may want to do some SSB work. I used to have a noise cancelling headset which I really liked because my shack is located in the laundry/utility room and it seems that the washer and/or dryer runs as often as the furnace does. The company that did make the noise cancelling headset no longer makes them so I am now trying to find out what other hams use or what is in the market place. I am especially interested in a noise cancelling headset with an attached microphone that sounds good on a K3. Thank you Bill AD8P From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon Dec 5 16:51:30 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 13:51:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset/Mic Suggestions In-Reply-To: <7518B0757C47480FAAE66A3BFB483F51@BillPC> References: <7518B0757C47480FAAE66A3BFB483F51@BillPC> Message-ID: ModMic makes boom mics that you can attach to existing headphones. If you are happy with your current headphones, this could be a good option. https://antlionaudio.com/ wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 5, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Bill Gaines wrote: > > Since I seldom use SSB I have not had the need to ask this question and I realize the responses may vary as much as belly buttons. I have a K3 and I also have the hand held microphone. I want to obtain a headset with an attached microphone to use with this radio just in case I may want to do some SSB work. I used to have a noise cancelling headset which I really liked because my shack is located in the laundry/utility room and it seems that the washer and/or dryer runs as often as the furnace does. The company that did make the noise cancelling headset no longer makes them so I am now trying to find out what other hams use or what is in the market place. I am especially interested in a noise cancelling headset with an attached microphone that sounds good on a K3. > > Thank you Bill AD8P > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 5 17:19:19 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 17:19:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset/Mic Suggestions In-Reply-To: <7518B0757C47480FAAE66A3BFB483F51@BillPC> References: <7518B0757C47480FAAE66A3BFB483F51@BillPC> Message-ID: <46972077-6e8c-d9b3-fd39-ce57e38d267a@embarqmail.com> Bill, Get a Yamaha CM-500. It is not noise cancelling, but can plug directly into the K3 rear jacks. Select the rear panel mic and turn on bias for it. They are not noise cancelling, but the big cuffs cover the ears nicely and seal well. As far as noise pickup in the microphone, use the TX Noise Gate in the K3. On 12/5/2016 4:46 PM, Bill Gaines wrote: > Since I seldom use SSB I have not had the need to ask this question and I realize the responses may vary as much as belly buttons. I have a K3 and I also have the hand held microphone. I want to obtain a headset with an attached microphone to use with this radio just in case I may want to do some SSB work. I used to have a noise cancelling headset which I really liked because my shack is located in the laundry/utility room and it seems that the washer and/or dryer runs as often as the furnace does. The company that did make the noise cancelling headset no longer makes them so I am now trying to find out what other hams use or what is in the market place. I am especially interested in a noise cancelling headset with an attached microphone that sounds good on a K3. > From joe at k2uf.com Mon Dec 5 17:39:03 2016 From: joe at k2uf.com (Joe K2UF) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 17:39:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset/Mic Suggestions In-Reply-To: <7518B0757C47480FAAE66A3BFB483F51@BillPC> Message-ID: Bill, I use the Yamaha c500. They work pretty good, are comfortable and have a boom mic attached. I also do not use SSB very often (only November SS) the rest of the year I keep it velcroed to the headset frame. They also don't cost an arm and a leg and your favorite offspring. I think about $50 or $60. Worth a try. Good luck 73 Joe K2UF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Gaines Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 4:47 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Headset/Mic Suggestions Since I seldom use SSB I have not had the need to ask this question and I realize the responses may vary as much as belly buttons. I have a K3 and I also have the hand held microphone. I want to obtain a headset with an attached microphone to use with this radio just in case I may want to do some SSB work. I used to have a noise cancelling headset which I really liked because my shack is located in the laundry/utility room and it seems that the washer and/or dryer runs as often as the furnace does. The company that did make the noise cancelling headset no longer makes them so I am now trying to find out what other hams use or what is in the market place. I am especially interested in a noise cancelling headset with an attached microphone that sounds good on a K3. Thank you Bill AD8P ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to joe at k2uf.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4664/13540 - Release Date: 12/05/16 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 5 18:32:37 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 18:32:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI SIG Error on K3 In-Reply-To: <1480972058193-7624479.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1480972058193-7624479.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <450eafa8-28c0-ebf1-51e6-780fd2546d7a@embarqmail.com> Do you have *anything* connected to the RX ANT or the unused TX antenna jack? The K3 is "thinking" it sees a high RF level on the receive input. Remove everything from the K3 except the power and see if you still have the problem. The reconnect each cable one at a time and test again. Observe when it re-appears. If you find that you still get the indication with nothing but the K3 power cable connected, contact K3support. Do you have a nearby broadcast station? RF from that station could be getting into your K3. With a HI SIG, the K3 will automatically turn off the preamp and turn on the ATT - that part is normal. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/5/2016 4:07 PM, K4MWB wrote: > Recently after updating firmware I started getting a HI SIG error in the > Display's VFO B position when I power up the K3. I can power down the K3 > with the HI SIG error showing, then immediately power it back on, and all > works fine. Tried removing all antennas and 6m preamp, no change. Reloaded > firmware, no change. When the K3 powers back up after the error, I noticed > all instances of PRE are gone and ATT appears on the display. Does anyone > have some words of wisdom? Thanks! From w0mu at w0mu.com Mon Dec 5 18:58:08 2016 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 16:58:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset/Mic Suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <7518B0757C47480FAAE66A3BFB483F51@BillPC> Message-ID: For noise cancelling I like the Able Planet linx audio headphone and you can attach this mic or similar to them. The work really well for noise and way cheaper than Bose. On 12/5/2016 2:51 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > ModMic makes boom mics that you can attach to existing headphones. If you are > happy with your current headphones, this could be a good option. > > https://antlionaudio.com/ > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Dec 5, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Bill Gaines wrote: >> >> Since I seldom use SSB I have not had the need to ask this question and I realize the responses may vary as much as belly buttons. I have a K3 and I also have the hand held microphone. I want to obtain a headset with an attached microphone to use with this radio just in case I may want to do some SSB work. I used to have a noise cancelling headset which I really liked because my shack is located in the laundry/utility room and it seems that the washer and/or dryer runs as often as the furnace does. The company that did make the noise cancelling headset no longer makes them so I am now trying to find out what other hams use or what is in the market place. I am especially interested in a noise cancelling headset with an attached microphone that sounds good on a K3. >> >> Thank you Bill AD8P >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com From k6sdw at hotmail.com Mon Dec 5 19:15:47 2016 From: k6sdw at hotmail.com (Eddy Avila) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 00:15:47 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? Message-ID: I'm thinking of changing the CW pitch on my K2 from 580hz to 650hz, maybe 700hz........my question, do I really need to realign the filters? This is what I've read! I'm discovering I like a higher tone rather than lower CW tone. At 67-years-old, go figure Tnx and 73 ed k6sdw From gkidder at ilstu.edu Mon Dec 5 19:19:15 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 19:19:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset/Mic Suggestions In-Reply-To: <7518B0757C47480FAAE66A3BFB483F51@BillPC> References: <7518B0757C47480FAAE66A3BFB483F51@BillPC> Message-ID: Hi Bill, I have used a computer headset with my K3 for many years. It seems to be a noise-cancelling variety - at least it has the set of noise holes in the back of the microphone case. Very light weight, but does not exclude room noise on receive - which for me is good, since I can hear the XYL over it! Just plug into the back of the rig, set rig for rear input and bias, and you're off. I don't remember where I got the headset, but it certainly was not expensive. Maybe $10 at the time. George, W3HBM On 12/5/2016 4:46 PM, Bill Gaines wrote: > Since I seldom use SSB I have not had the need to ask this question and I realize the responses may vary as much as belly buttons. I have a K3 and I also have the hand held microphone. I want to obtain a headset with an attached microphone to use with this radio just in case I may want to do some SSB work. I used to have a noise cancelling headset which I really liked because my shack is located in the laundry/utility room and it seems that the washer and/or dryer runs as often as the furnace does. The company that did make the noise cancelling headset no longer makes them so I am now trying to find out what other hams use or what is in the market place. I am especially interested in a noise cancelling headset with an attached microphone that sounds good on a K3. > > Thank you Bill AD8P > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu From dick at elecraft.com Mon Dec 5 19:23:32 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 16:23:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401d24f56$fa7614b0$ef623e10$@elecraft.com> I would just hold the PITCH button and turn VFO A until you hear the pitch you prefer. I don't believe filter alignment is affected. You're a kid! 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eddy Avila Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 16:16 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? I'm thinking of changing the CW pitch on my K2 from 580hz to 650hz, maybe 700hz........my question, do I really need to realign the filters? This is what I've read! I'm discovering I like a higher tone rather than lower CW tone. At 67-years-old, go figure Tnx and 73 ed k6sdw ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 5 19:34:02 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 19:34:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ed, The short answer is YES. You can change the sidetone pitch, but that is only the sidetone that you hear - and that setting also determines the transmit offset. Assuming your CW filters are currently centered at your 580Hz pitch, you will need to move the center of the CW filters to whatever pitch you choose for the sidetone. That is done with the CAL FIL procedure. You will need the internal counter probe. It is easy if you use an audio spectrum analyzer like Spectrogram and feed the K2 ANT input with a broadband noise generator - you can see the peak of the filter passband. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/5/2016 7:15 PM, Eddy Avila wrote: > I'm thinking of changing the CW pitch on my K2 from 580hz to 650hz, maybe 700hz........my question, do I really need to realign the filters? This is what I've read! > > > I'm discovering I like a higher tone rather than lower CW tone. At 67-years-old, go figure > > From cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com Mon Dec 5 19:48:33 2016 From: cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com (Cameron Francey) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 00:48:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: And if I'm not mistaken if you also have the audio filter add-on connected you need to adjust that to the new center frequency too. I actually recently just done the same task on my K2. Cameron, ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 4:34 PM To: Eddy Avila; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? Ed, The short answer is YES. You can change the sidetone pitch, but that is only the sidetone that you hear - and that setting also determines the transmit offset. Assuming your CW filters are currently centered at your 580Hz pitch, you will need to move the center of the CW filters to whatever pitch you choose for the sidetone. That is done with the CAL FIL procedure. You will need the internal counter probe. It is easy if you use an audio spectrum analyzer like Spectrogram and feed the K2 ANT input with a broadband noise generator - you can see the peak of the filter passband. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/5/2016 7:15 PM, Eddy Avila wrote: > I'm thinking of changing the CW pitch on my K2 from 580hz to 650hz, maybe 700hz........my question, do I really need to realign the filters? This is what I've read! > > > I'm discovering I like a higher tone rather than lower CW tone. At 67-years-old, go figure > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 5 19:51:25 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 19:51:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3f0d1329-a0ad-39a3-6a6c-5f846d4599a6@embarqmail.com> That is correct, AND if you have the KDSP2, you need to set those filter centers to your new sidetone pitch in the DSP menu settings. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/5/2016 7:48 PM, Cameron Francey wrote: > > And if I'm not mistaken if you also have the audio filter add-on > connected you need to adjust that to the new center frequency too. > > I actually recently just done the same task on my K2. > > > Cameron, > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Elecraft on behalf of Don > Wilhelm > *Sent:* Monday, December 5, 2016 4:34 PM > *To:* Eddy Avila; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? > Ed, > > The short answer is YES. > > You can change the sidetone pitch, but that is only the sidetone that > you hear - and that setting also determines the transmit offset. > > Assuming your CW filters are currently centered at your 580Hz pitch, you > will need to move the center of the CW filters to whatever pitch you > choose for the sidetone. That is done with the CAL FIL procedure. > You will need the internal counter probe. It is easy if you use an > audio spectrum analyzer like Spectrogram and feed the K2 ANT input with > a broadband noise generator - you can see the peak of the filter passband. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 12/5/2016 7:15 PM, Eddy Avila wrote: > > I'm thinking of changing the CW pitch on my K2 from 580hz to 650hz, > maybe 700hz........my question, do I really need to realign the > filters? This is what I've read! > > > > > > I'm discovering I like a higher tone rather than lower CW tone. At > 67-years-old, go figure > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com From dave at nk7z.net Mon Dec 5 20:21:14 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 17:21:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? In-Reply-To: <3f0d1329-a0ad-39a3-6a6c-5f846d4599a6@embarqmail.com> References: <3f0d1329-a0ad-39a3-6a6c-5f846d4599a6@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <7a67866e-eaab-1019-4bda-ad1f1cf29122@nk7z.net> ...and better yet, you can create macros to do it all for you at the press of a button! 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 12/05/2016 04:51 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > That is correct, AND if you have the KDSP2, you need to set those filter > centers to your new sidetone pitch in the DSP menu settings. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/5/2016 7:48 PM, Cameron Francey wrote: >> >> And if I'm not mistaken if you also have the audio filter add-on >> connected you need to adjust that to the new center frequency too. >> >> I actually recently just done the same task on my K2. >> >> >> Cameron, >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Elecraft on behalf of Don >> Wilhelm >> *Sent:* Monday, December 5, 2016 4:34 PM >> *To:* Eddy Avila; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? >> Ed, >> >> The short answer is YES. >> >> You can change the sidetone pitch, but that is only the sidetone that >> you hear - and that setting also determines the transmit offset. >> >> Assuming your CW filters are currently centered at your 580Hz pitch, you >> will need to move the center of the CW filters to whatever pitch you >> choose for the sidetone. That is done with the CAL FIL procedure. >> You will need the internal counter probe. It is easy if you use an >> audio spectrum analyzer like Spectrogram and feed the K2 ANT input with >> a broadband noise generator - you can see the peak of the filter >> passband. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> >> On 12/5/2016 7:15 PM, Eddy Avila wrote: >> > I'm thinking of changing the CW pitch on my K2 from 580hz to 650hz, >> maybe 700hz........my question, do I really need to realign the >> filters? This is what I've read! >> > >> > >> > I'm discovering I like a higher tone rather than lower CW tone. At >> 67-years-old, go figure >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From dave at nk7z.net Mon Dec 5 20:24:00 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 17:24:00 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9d79ccfa-69c6-fcb9-5183-893397276d15@nk7z.net> Hi, If you have a hearing test scheduled anytime soon, ask for a copy of the frequency vs. hearing threshold graph. Find a place you hear well, and set the sidetone for that frequency. This made a BIG difference for the better, in the speed, and ease by which I copy CW. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 12/05/2016 04:15 PM, Eddy Avila wrote: > I'm thinking of changing the CW pitch on my K2 from 580hz to 650hz, maybe 700hz........my question, do I really need to realign the filters? This is what I've read! > > > I'm discovering I like a higher tone rather than lower CW tone. At 67-years-old, go figure > > > Tnx and 73 > > > ed > > > k6sdw > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From K4MWB at ARRL.net Mon Dec 5 20:30:38 2016 From: K4MWB at ARRL.net (K4MWB) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 18:30:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] HI SIG Error on K3 In-Reply-To: <450eafa8-28c0-ebf1-51e6-780fd2546d7a@embarqmail.com> References: <1480972058193-7624479.post@n2.nabble.com> <450eafa8-28c0-ebf1-51e6-780fd2546d7a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1480987838237-7624493.post@n2.nabble.com> Don, yes I disconnected everything but power and ground and still get the same HI SIG indication. The strange thing is if I quickly cycle power off and back on again, the error disappears and all functions normally... until I power it down for awhile and back on. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/HI-SIG-Error-on-K3-tp7624479p7624493.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2av.guy at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 20:58:16 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 20:58:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HI SIG Error on K3 In-Reply-To: <1480987838237-7624493.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1480972058193-7624479.post@n2.nabble.com> <450eafa8-28c0-ebf1-51e6-780fd2546d7a@embarqmail.com> <1480987838237-7624493.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: What is the serial number on this unit? Do you have the gold pins? 73, Guy On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 8:30 PM, K4MWB wrote: > Don, yes I disconnected everything but power and ground and still get the > same HI SIG indication. The strange thing is if I quickly cycle power off > and back on again, the error disappears and all functions normally... until > I power it down for awhile and back on. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > nabble.com/HI-SIG-Error-on-K3-tp7624479p7624493.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From billell at nc.rr.com Mon Dec 5 21:12:14 2016 From: billell at nc.rr.com (K4MWB@ARRL.net) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 2:12:14 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] HI SIG Error on K3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20161206021214.AL8SM.111814.root@dnvrco-web12> Guy, s/n is 6101. Originally invoiced in January 2012, factory-built. Not sure of pins - how recent were they put in? Last feature upgrades were for 2nd rx and ATU in late 2012. 73, Bill ---- Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > What is the serial number on this unit? Do you have the gold pins? > > 73, Guy > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 8:30 PM, K4MWB wrote: > > > Don, yes I disconnected everything but power and ground and still get the > > same HI SIG indication. The strange thing is if I quickly cycle power off > > and back on again, the error disappears and all functions normally... until > > I power it down for awhile and back on. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > > nabble.com/HI-SIG-Error-on-K3-tp7624479p7624493.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > > From w7aqk at cox.net Mon Dec 5 22:33:18 2016 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 20:33:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) Message-ID: I've taken a number of old, cheap microphone housings (hamfest acquisitions), and inserted an inexpensive electret cartridge. Every one of them worked great! Truth is, I think you can probably buy most any electret cartridge and get it to do just fine. Some may be a bit more responsive than others, but I have yet to find one that doesn't do a good job. That way you can pick and choose what housing you like. All the Elecraft rigs provide the necessary bias right in the radios, so it is not a difficult bit of surgery. My favorite headset is the Yamaha CM-500, gut I've also successfully used various computer headsets that are even cheaper. You just don't need to spend a lot of money, unless you are looking for something special besides the mic element itself. When it comes to headsets, I'm more concerned about the headphone part. I've not had very good results from various Heils I have around here. Dave W7AQK From wa2eio at optonline.net Mon Dec 5 22:42:03 2016 From: wa2eio at optonline.net (Ron Manfredi) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 22:42:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Yamaha CM-500 headset question Message-ID: <2e0157fa-dee9-26ac-18ae-0b02f0219dc0@optonline.net> In line with the replies about a good mic to use with the K3, I have a question. I am alternating between the Yamaha headset, (selected as the rear mic, LOW output with bias) which works fine, and I would recommend it . However when I want to use the MH-3, I must not only change to the front panel mic, but also change to No bias, and HIGH output. Any way to minimize the button selections that have to be made to do this? From r.tristani at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 22:45:24 2016 From: r.tristani at gmail.com (Ramon Tristani) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 22:45:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Yamaha CM-500 headset question In-Reply-To: <2e0157fa-dee9-26ac-18ae-0b02f0219dc0@optonline.net> References: <2e0157fa-dee9-26ac-18ae-0b02f0219dc0@optonline.net> Message-ID: <6D771A24-0160-44C8-A660-DDF6C3EC6B81@gmail.com> Just use a macro to select the microphone, port, and bias, output, etc. Easy. > On Dec 5, 2016, at 10:42 PM, Ron Manfredi wrote: > > In line with the replies about a good mic to use with the K3, I have a question. I am alternating between the Yamaha headset, (selected as the rear mic, LOW output with bias) which works fine, and I would recommend it . However when I want to use the MH-3, I must not only change to the front panel mic, but also change to No bias, and HIGH output. Any way to minimize the button selections that have to be made to do this? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to r.tristani at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 5 23:33:24 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 23:33:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Yamaha CM-500 headset question In-Reply-To: <2e0157fa-dee9-26ac-18ae-0b02f0219dc0@optonline.net> References: <2e0157fa-dee9-26ac-18ae-0b02f0219dc0@optonline.net> Message-ID: <2231acb3-7dd4-e293-c0b0-3991f6be86de@embarqmail.com> Ron, I believe you meant the MH2 rather than the MH3 - the MH3 has a 1.8 inch TRRS plug (for the KX3 and KX2) while the MH2 has the Foster plug that mates with the K3/K3S front panel connector. Secondly, the HIGH and LOW in the K3/K3S menu are NOT the output of the mic, but instead Low mic gain and High mic gain. The Low setting should work well with both the MH2 and the Yamaha. Both have electret elements, so the bias should be ON for both. On other words, you should just have to switch from front panel mic to rear panel mic. You may have to make some slight adjustment to the mic gain when switching. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/5/2016 10:42 PM, Ron Manfredi wrote: > In line with the replies about a good mic to use with the K3, I have a > question. I am alternating between the Yamaha headset, (selected as the > rear mic, LOW output with bias) which works fine, and I would recommend > it . However when I want to use the MH-3, I must not only change to > the front panel mic, but also change to No bias, and HIGH output. Any > way to minimize the button selections that have to be made to do this? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Tue Dec 6 00:30:40 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 21:30:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset/Mic Suggestions In-Reply-To: <7518B0757C47480FAAE66A3BFB483F51@BillPC> Message-ID: I am a happy CM-500 user. Note that while you have any headset mic input connected thru the back panel, you can still use the hand held microphone push to talk switch. Until you get into voice operations in pileups, where you might want a foot switch, it will work well for you. (IMHO, VOX is too slow for anything but rag chewing.) 73 Bill AE6JV On 12/5/16 at 1:46 PM, ad8p at wcoil.com (Bill Gaines) wrote: >Since I seldom use SSB I have not had the need to ask this >question and I realize the responses may vary as much as belly >buttons. I have a K3 and I also have the hand held microphone. >I want to obtain a headset with an attached microphone to use >with this radio just in case I may want to do some SSB work. I >used to have a noise cancelling headset which I really liked >because my shack is located in the laundry/utility room and it >seems that the washer and/or dryer runs as often as the furnace >does. The company that did make the noise cancelling headset no >longer makes them so I am now trying to find out what other >hams use or what is in the market place. I am especially >interested in a noise cancelling headset with an attached >microphone that sounds good on a K3. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If the site is supported by | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | ads, you are the product. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Dec 6 02:52:27 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 22:52:27 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet Message-ID: <201612060752.uB67qTGd016995@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> Since we all use the Internet this may be of interest: I bought a new Dell desktop on cyber-monday to be used for general purpose Internet browsing, e-mail, and maintaining my website. Figured the i5-6400 processor a good trade-off of speed vs cost and got 8GB memory and 1TB HD. I intend to keep using my 2008 Dell duo-core with XP32-SP3 for running all radio sw but unplugged from the Internet to isolate it from attack by maleware/virus and the OS would not require updates. Installing a GPS dongle with BktTimeSync (Z2BKT) makes this possible. So the new computer arrived overnight and I began loading my Internet-based programs and most files from the old computer. But starting Friday the e-mail began having trouble connecting for download or uploading and Internet came to a screeching halt (almost). I did some driver updates hoping maybe that was part of the problem. But my other computers and my wife's laptop and Ipad also experienced the same problems? A couple calls to the ISP discovered a mistake in a setup entry on my e-mail client but Internet still not able to find websites like msn.com, google or any site I entered. I ran a speed test and it looked OK for my DSL 3.2MBs for 3.5MBs service and 0.9MBs uploading? So one more call to the ISP and the gal who answered from Tech-help said it looked like we had a bad or shorted cable to our DSL Modem. She asked how long was the cable between phone jack and modem? Well we have moved things over the years so some cables ended up kind of long (we had 25-foot of RJ11 phone wired wrapped up with a tiewrap where a couple feet would suffice. I do not even recall it being so long but replacing it with a short 6-foot RJ11 jumper cured the slow Internet/e-mail issues. Modem is connected with ethernet jumper to router with two cat5e cables running to two separate rooms in the house where my computers and my wife's computer are located. I'm not a computer wonk; RF is my area of strength, so I figured the phone and Internet was kinda like audio stuff. Guess not. My guess with the cable folded into a bundle it had a lot of crosstalk or capacitive coupling which acted like a short at 3.5 MBs. Hope this long story helps anyone who has puzzled why they're Internet acts constipated (of course there may be other issues that can cause these problems). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From k6sdw at hotmail.com Tue Dec 6 04:31:06 2016 From: k6sdw at hotmail.com (Eddy Avila) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 09:31:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? In-Reply-To: <3f0d1329-a0ad-39a3-6a6c-5f846d4599a6@embarqmail.com> References: , <3f0d1329-a0ad-39a3-6a6c-5f846d4599a6@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for your sage advice.....changing CW pitch sounds like a pain to me!! I think I'll use the RIT and see if it's worth all that trouble. 73's all ed ~ k6sdw ________________________________ From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 4:51 PM To: Eddy Avila; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? That is correct, AND if you have the KDSP2, you need to set those filter centers to your new sidetone pitch in the DSP menu settings. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/5/2016 7:48 PM, Cameron Francey wrote: > > And if I'm not mistaken if you also have the audio filter add-on > connected you need to adjust that to the new center frequency too. > > I actually recently just done the same task on my K2. > > > Cameron, > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Elecraft on behalf of Don > Wilhelm > *Sent:* Monday, December 5, 2016 4:34 PM > *To:* Eddy Avila; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? > Ed, > > The short answer is YES. > > You can change the sidetone pitch, but that is only the sidetone that > you hear - and that setting also determines the transmit offset. > > Assuming your CW filters are currently centered at your 580Hz pitch, you > will need to move the center of the CW filters to whatever pitch you > choose for the sidetone. That is done with the CAL FIL procedure. > You will need the internal counter probe. It is easy if you use an > audio spectrum analyzer like Spectrogram and feed the K2 ANT input with > a broadband noise generator - you can see the peak of the filter passband. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 12/5/2016 7:15 PM, Eddy Avila wrote: > > I'm thinking of changing the CW pitch on my K2 from 580hz to 650hz, > maybe 700hz........my question, do I really need to realign the > filters? This is what I've read! > > > > > > I'm discovering I like a higher tone rather than lower CW tone. At > 67-years-old, go figure > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com From anyone1545 at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 08:14:12 2016 From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Raymond Benedict) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 08:14:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Yamaha CM500 Message-ID: I use the CM500 mike with my K3s. Mike gain runs about 3 or 4 and still is high. it there a way to decrease the mike gain? Oh, menu mic setting is ?low?. Ray W8LYJ From pa3a at xs4all.nl Tue Dec 6 08:31:17 2016 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 14:31:17 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? In-Reply-To: References: <3f0d1329-a0ad-39a3-6a6c-5f846d4599a6@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Ed, That kind of pain was part of the K2 fun for me (LOL) 73 Arie PA3A Op 6-12-2016 om 10:31 schreef Eddy Avila: > Thanks everyone for your sage advice.....changing CW pitch sounds like a pain to me!! > > > > ed ~ k6sdw > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 6 08:41:59 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 08:41:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? In-Reply-To: References: <3f0d1329-a0ad-39a3-6a6c-5f846d4599a6@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <4f6ae8c0-e0d5-8a7e-edb9-61fe7f551b94@embarqmail.com> Ed, RIT will not help either, the pitch will still be at the peak of the passband. Now if you are only wanting to move it several tens of Hz, it will not make much difference - in other words, a properly aligned 700Hz passband centered at 580Hz will extend from 230Hz to 930Hz, but a 400Hz passband will extend only from 380Hz to 780Hz, and for a 200Hz width, it is likely to "fall off the edge". 73, Don W3FPR On 12/6/2016 4:31 AM, Eddy Avila wrote: > > Thanks everyone for your sage advice.....changing CW pitch sounds like > a pain to me!! > > > I think I'll use the RIT and see if it's worth all that trouble. > > > 73's all > > > ed ~ k6sdw > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Don Wilhelm > *Sent:* Monday, December 5, 2016 4:51 PM > *To:* Eddy Avila; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? > That is correct, AND if you have the KDSP2, you need to set those filter > centers to your new sidetone pitch in the DSP menu settings. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/5/2016 7:48 PM, Cameron Francey wrote: > > > > And if I'm not mistaken if you also have the audio filter add-on > > connected you need to adjust that to the new center frequency too. > > > > I actually recently just done the same task on my K2. > > > > > > Cameron, > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Elecraft on behalf of Don > > Wilhelm > > *Sent:* Monday, December 5, 2016 4:34 PM > > *To:* Eddy Avila; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Changing CW pitch? > > Ed, > > > > The short answer is YES. > > > > You can change the sidetone pitch, but that is only the sidetone that > > you hear - and that setting also determines the transmit offset. > > > > Assuming your CW filters are currently centered at your 580Hz pitch, you > > will need to move the center of the CW filters to whatever pitch you > > choose for the sidetone. That is done with the CAL FIL procedure. > > You will need the internal counter probe. It is easy if you use an > > audio spectrum analyzer like Spectrogram and feed the K2 ANT input with > > a broadband noise generator - you can see the peak of the filter > passband. > > > > 73, > > Don W3FPR > > > > > > On 12/5/2016 7:15 PM, Eddy Avila wrote: > > > I'm thinking of changing the CW pitch on my K2 from 580hz to 650hz, > > maybe 700hz........my question, do I really need to realign the > > filters? This is what I've read! > > > > > > > > > I'm discovering I like a higher tone rather than lower CW tone. At > > 67-years-old, go figure > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com > From erusst at att.net Tue Dec 6 09:15:59 2016 From: erusst at att.net (Russ Tobolic) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 14:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Headset/Mic Suggestions In-Reply-To: <7518B0757C47480FAAE66A3BFB483F51@BillPC> References: <7518B0757C47480FAAE66A3BFB483F51@BillPC> Message-ID: <1651224738.528090.1481033759569@mail.yahoo.com> The Koss SB45 has been working great for me and cheaper than the CM500. ?You can get them on Amazon for less than $30.?Russ, N3CO From: Bill Gaines To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 4:46 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Headset/Mic Suggestions Since I seldom use SSB I have not had the need to ask this question and I realize the responses may vary as much as belly buttons. I have a K3 and I also have the hand held microphone. I want to obtain a headset with an attached microphone to use with this radio just in case I may want to do some SSB work. I used to have a noise cancelling headset which I really liked because my shack is located in the laundry/utility room and it seems that the washer and/or dryer runs as often as the furnace does. The company that did make the noise cancelling headset no longer makes them so I am now trying to find out what other hams use or what is in the market place. I am especially interested in a noise cancelling headset with an attached microphone that sounds good on a K3. Thank you Bill AD8P ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to erusst at att.net From gkidder at ilstu.edu Tue Dec 6 13:37:46 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 13:37:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: LP Bridge crashes with K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Larry and all, I have now tried adjusting the buffer settings. Originally, they were set full "right" (High, 14 for receive, High 16 for transmit) I moved the sliders to about 3/4 of full scale - still got a LPB crash in about 7 hours, while running NaP3 and FLDigi through LPB. I next tried the "correct connection problems" setting, full left (1) on each. This time it ran more than 3 but less than 20 hours (overnight run) and while LPB did not crash, NaP3 did, which requires complete computer reboot. So it is not clear that the buffer settings are doing anything except to slow down the reaction of FLDigi to frequency changes - takes about 5 seconds now. So again I am at the end of my short rope! Maybe I should shut down the system EVERY night. That seems to cure it. George -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2016 18:43:53 -0500 From: George Kidder Reply-To: gkidder at ilstu.edu To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net No I have not, Larry. What settings do you recommend for starters? George On 12/4/2016 11:02 AM, Larry Phipps wrote: > Have you tried adjusting the buffer settings in Device Mgr for your > serial port? > > Larry N8LP > > Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 09:33:33 -0500 > From: George Kidder > To: 'Elecraft Reflector' > Subject: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > OK, gang! I've tried everything I can think of, and am now looking for > some additional thoughts. > > Equipment: K3 (unmodified) with firmware 5.53, computer (2.99 GHz dual > core, 4 GB memory) running Win 7, LP-Bridge (LPB) set for 200 mS delay. > The computer is not connected to the internet, and all programs are > brought in from another computer using a flash drive. > > Problem: At random but long intervals (hours) LP-Bridge crashes, > displaying error 13 (type mismatch). Clearing this window causes > program to close. This behavior is seen with no external programs > connected to LPB, and with LPB set to any polling rate from 200 mS > (default) to as much as 1000 mS. It is seen when LPB2 is used and the > baud rate is reduced to 4800. When the crash occurs, the error seems to > be in a response from the K3 - for instance, the "Rig Received Text" > window shows "IS 0|00;" while it should show "IS 0600;". In this case > the K3 was set to CW mode. In LSB mode, the same window shows "CW 6+;" > where I presume it should have been "CW 60;". This damaged text shows > up in all windows (Rig received, K3 Com port, Power SCR-IF Aux CAT port, > etc.) > > Attempted resolution includes reloading the K3 firmware and reloading > LPB from the website after clearing out all remnants of the old > program. Nothing helps - LPB still crashes when allowed to run for > several hours. Other programs not affected. Computer is on a UPS, so > momentary power outage would not be a cause (even if there should be one > every night!) > > Clearly, there is a communication failure between the K3 and LPB, since > it occurs with nothing else connected. Is the problem with the K3, LBP > or the Win 7 operating system which sits between them? And what more > can I try to fix it? > > Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated. > > George, W3HBM > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Tue Dec 6 14:07:17 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 11:07:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: LP Bridge crashes with K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6a5cbcbd-c472-e8ab-2186-0905d5f569ab@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Computers that are turned off are safe from all kinds of potential evil. That would be my recommendation. On 12/6/2016 10:37 AM, George Kidder wrote: > So again I am at the end of my short rope! Maybe I should shut down > the system EVERY night. That seems to cure it. From tomb18 at videotron.ca Tue Dec 6 15:21:18 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 15:21:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: LP Bridge crashes with K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6BBCF8E526F640558C26DF0882AD4F2D@DESKTOPAV61F2H> Honestly, I don't believe this is an issue with LPBridge but rather Eltima drivers. I can run the Eltima serial port monitor and even without traffic it will always crash after a number of hours. Always. There is not much that can be done other than rebooting after some time or closing it all when you are not using it. 73 Tom -----Original Message----- From: George Kidder Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 1:37 PM To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: LP Bridge crashes with K3 Larry and all, I have now tried adjusting the buffer settings. Originally, they were set full "right" (High, 14 for receive, High 16 for transmit) I moved the sliders to about 3/4 of full scale - still got a LPB crash in about 7 hours, while running NaP3 and FLDigi through LPB. I next tried the "correct connection problems" setting, full left (1) on each. This time it ran more than 3 but less than 20 hours (overnight run) and while LPB did not crash, NaP3 did, which requires complete computer reboot. So it is not clear that the buffer settings are doing anything except to slow down the reaction of FLDigi to frequency changes - takes about 5 seconds now. So again I am at the end of my short rope! Maybe I should shut down the system EVERY night. That seems to cure it. George -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2016 18:43:53 -0500 From: George Kidder Reply-To: gkidder at ilstu.edu To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net No I have not, Larry. What settings do you recommend for starters? George On 12/4/2016 11:02 AM, Larry Phipps wrote: > Have you tried adjusting the buffer settings in Device Mgr for your > serial port? > > Larry N8LP > > Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 09:33:33 -0500 > From: George Kidder > To: 'Elecraft Reflector' > Subject: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > OK, gang! I've tried everything I can think of, and am now looking for > some additional thoughts. > > Equipment: K3 (unmodified) with firmware 5.53, computer (2.99 GHz dual > core, 4 GB memory) running Win 7, LP-Bridge (LPB) set for 200 mS delay. > The computer is not connected to the internet, and all programs are > brought in from another computer using a flash drive. > > Problem: At random but long intervals (hours) LP-Bridge crashes, > displaying error 13 (type mismatch). Clearing this window causes > program to close. This behavior is seen with no external programs > connected to LPB, and with LPB set to any polling rate from 200 mS > (default) to as much as 1000 mS. It is seen when LPB2 is used and the > baud rate is reduced to 4800. When the crash occurs, the error seems to > be in a response from the K3 - for instance, the "Rig Received Text" > window shows "IS 0|00;" while it should show "IS 0600;". In this case > the K3 was set to CW mode. In LSB mode, the same window shows "CW 6+;" > where I presume it should have been "CW 60;". This damaged text shows > up in all windows (Rig received, K3 Com port, Power SCR-IF Aux CAT port, > etc.) > > Attempted resolution includes reloading the K3 firmware and reloading > LPB from the website after clearing out all remnants of the old > program. Nothing helps - LPB still crashes when allowed to run for > several hours. Other programs not affected. Computer is on a UPS, so > momentary power outage would not be a cause (even if there should be one > every night!) > > Clearly, there is a communication failure between the K3 and LPB, since > it occurs with nothing else connected. Is the problem with the K3, LBP > or the Win 7 operating system which sits between them? And what more > can I try to fix it? > > Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated. > > George, W3HBM > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From k5atg.aaron at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 15:45:20 2016 From: k5atg.aaron at gmail.com (Aaron K5ATG) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 14:45:20 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Decode Message-ID: I am in the process of learning CW and I am having a little bit of issue with my KX3 on decoding CW. I am wanting it to be able to decode CW on TX only so I can work on sending. By pressing the DATA button I selected TX ONLY and I have the power setting at 0.0 watts into a dummy load. I am using the plug in paddles for the KX3. However it will not decode anything. I tuned to a strong signal and tried the different RX Thresholds and it would not decode anything there either. I am not sure if I have it set up right or I am missing a setting or something. Can anyone please help? Thank you Aaron Scott K5ATG From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 6 15:56:11 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 15:56:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Decode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55969bb7-5de3-b911-846d-437246e50fec@embarqmail.com> Aaron, To decode CW, you need to be in CW mode, not DATA. You need to set the TEXT entry to TX only. See the Text Decode and Display in the manual. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/6/2016 3:45 PM, Aaron K5ATG wrote: > I am in the process of learning CW and I am having a little bit of issue > with my KX3 on decoding CW. I am wanting it to be able to decode CW on TX > only so I can work on sending. By pressing the DATA button I selected TX > ONLY and I have the power setting at 0.0 watts into a dummy load. I am > using the plug in paddles for the KX3. From bruce.chadbourne at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 16:15:08 2016 From: bruce.chadbourne at gmail.com (Bruce Chadbourne) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 16:15:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) In-Reply-To: <004101d24ead$062ee110$128ca330$@biz> References: <004101d24ead$062ee110$128ca330$@biz> Message-ID: Thanks to all for the good-spirited sharing of your "mic for K3" tips. Very, very helpful. And I see that it prompted a few other queries on the topic. 73! KE1CY On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 11:06 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Fun is whatever is fun for you. If a nice looking new microphone is it, go > for it! > > Half a century ago when microphones were still hand-made the more expensive > ones were significantly better than the cheap variety. Considerably more > labor went into assembling each element, and more elements failed to meet > specs and so had to be discarded or reworked. > > But these days microphone manufacturing is entirely automated and a machine > can crank out endless identically-performing high-quality elements in a > tiny > fraction of the time a human could. It's also why you can buy a > first-quality wristwatch at an absurdly low cost today. > > A really fine microphone element can be bought for under USD$5. > > The rest of the cost is in the case, chrome, stand, etc., just as the cost > of the wristwatch is in its case and band. In both cases, the cost can be > anything from reasonable to the absurd. It's all in what you want to spend. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Bruce > Chadbourne > Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 6:24 AM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate Mic for K3 (new) > > Greetings - I've had my K3 for 5 years, mostly a CW and digital operator. > I've never done much with my microphone - just repurposing an Turner454X > crystal mic. I keep wondering if I'd be having more phun with a new > 'phone. > Without starting a holy war, perhaps a few of you could make a > recommendation as to a specific slightly-better-than budget model. > Better still, with Christmas coming, maybe you're eyeing a fancy upgrade > for > yourself and would like to sell me your modestly-priced pre-owned mic(?). > 73 to all, Merry Christmas > Bruce KE1CY @ arrl.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > -- Bruce Chadbourne PgMP/BRMP 1034 W Beagle Run Loop Hernando, FL 34442 Office phone: 352-453-5456 If urgent, the best way to reach me is by phone. Thank you. From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Dec 6 16:32:35 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 16:32:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Decode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C8E8580-CB9E-4CCA-B27E-4AAD4AA97340@widomaker.com> It seems you turned text decode to TX only. This will decode what you send with paddles (not hand key) but will not decode received stations. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 6, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Aaron K5ATG wrote: > > I am in the process of learning CW and I am having a little bit of issue > with my KX3 on decoding CW. I am wanting it to be able to decode CW on TX > only so I can work on sending. By pressing the DATA button I selected TX > ONLY and I have the power setting at 0.0 watts into a dummy load. I am > using the plug in paddles for the KX3. However it will not decode anything. > I tuned to a strong signal and tried the different RX Thresholds and it > would not decode anything there either. I am not sure if I have it set up > right or I am missing a setting or something. Can anyone please help? > > Thank you > Aaron Scott K5ATG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From b.denley at comcast.net Tue Dec 6 17:14:20 2016 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 17:14:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset/Mic Suggestions In-Reply-To: <1651224738.528090.1481033759569@mail.yahoo.com> References: <7518B0757C47480FAAE66A3BFB483F51@BillPC> <1651224738.528090.1481033759569@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01F77A66-E800-4CA6-9128-D2A56A9261FB@comcast.net> Same here. Brian Denley KB1VBF Sent from my iPad > On Dec 6, 2016, at 9:15 AM, Russ Tobolic wrote: > > The Koss SB45 has been working great for me and cheaper than the CM500. You can get them on Amazon for less than $30. Russ, N3CO > > From: Bill Gaines > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 17:13:46 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 17:13:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: LP Bridge crashes with K3 In-Reply-To: <6BBCF8E526F640558C26DF0882AD4F2D@DESKTOPAV61F2H> References: <6BBCF8E526F640558C26DF0882AD4F2D@DESKTOPAV61F2H> Message-ID: Hi George, I have to agree with Tom on this one, either suspect drivers, or some as yet undiscovered conflict running on your PC. The slowdown you describe is a dead giveaway. That the dying program sends some garbage to the K3 as it expires is irrelevant. Whatever the program/driver is the problem, it's now so lost in itself that it has called for a writeout to an external device when there is no data to send. It has clearly lost its mind. A common bug in a poorly written program is called a "memory leak". That is where a program allocates a certain amount of memory for a transient task, and when the task is done, does not release all the memory back to the "memory pool". This causes available memory to creep down until there is not enough to run. The offending program often crashes, because the same stinky programming causing the memory leak also does not provide a smooth shut down at out of memory with meaningful messages to inform which program is exiting and why. There are variants of this malady, like the one where the program assigns a FIXED large buffer to a usage, and then exhausts it in the same manner. This is a lazy solution to a memory leak that they can't find, hoping to crash just the program and not the operating system. Sometimes these buffers are without boundary code which detects end of assigned space and gracefully exits with understandable messages. The stinky code then proceeds to gradually *overwrite its own program instructions* until it encounters code it is actually running and then it simply goes insane. This is possibly a blue screen or PC hang moment, though later OS are getting better and better at trapping code like this. Outward symptoms to the PC user could be anything. There are other specific kinds of stinky programming that present in the same "What the h*ll is that?" fashion. But there is a way to spy on this stuff as it runs. You run a CPU monitor that displays what is going on in the PC. One of the displays will be active memory, Possibly called memory set, listed by program. Sort on this column and then watch stuff on your system. Often the offending program sticks out like a sore thumb. There may be multiple issues that point to conflicts among things you run at the same time. A better good and free monitor, can be found at https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb795533.aspx. On the upper right of this page, under Top Ten Downloads, download Process Explorer and install. This well done monitor does not suffer from a lot of the clunkies that the Microsoft monitors and some of the other 3rd party monitors seem to have. The only complaint I have ever had about it is the default color line of black text on dark grey or purple for suspended processes and packed images. Those can be easily fixed in menu bar>options>configure colors, which also has the color code for what kind of thing each color is. Click on the column headers Working Set, CPU, and CPU Time. Here you can remove or add types from the display by checking or unchecking the line. I would expect Windows 7 should run Process Explorer just fine, though currently I only have an ancient laptop with XP and all else is upgraded to Windows 10 Pro, which at this point seems the best OS Microsoft has ever written. If you really like it, in Windows 10 you can do Process Explorer>menu bar>Options>Replace Task Monitor. I think MS bought it and at some point will simply replace their "Resource Monitor" with this one. It's not yet time to disassemble your K3 and send the pile of pieces back to Watsonville. Let us know what you find spying on stuff. 73 and for sure Good Luck Guy K2AV On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Tom wrote: > Honestly, I don't believe this is an issue with LPBridge but rather Eltima > drivers. I can run the Eltima serial port monitor and even without traffic > it will always crash after a number of hours. > Always. > There is not much that can be done other than rebooting after some time or > closing it all when you are not using it. > 73 Tom > > -----Original Message----- From: George Kidder > Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 1:37 PM > To: 'Elecraft Reflector' > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: LP Bridge crashes with K3 > > > Larry and all, > > I have now tried adjusting the buffer settings. Originally, they were > set full "right" (High, 14 for receive, High 16 for transmit) I moved > the sliders to about 3/4 of full scale - still got a LPB crash in about > 7 hours, while running NaP3 and FLDigi through LPB. I next tried the > "correct connection problems" setting, full left (1) on each. This time > it ran more than 3 but less than 20 hours (overnight run) and while LPB > did not crash, NaP3 did, which requires complete computer reboot. So it > is not clear that the buffer settings are doing anything except to slow > down the reaction of FLDigi to frequency changes - takes about 5 seconds > now. > > So again I am at the end of my short rope! Maybe I should shut down the > system EVERY night. That seems to cure it. > > George > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 > Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2016 18:43:53 -0500 > From: George Kidder > Reply-To: gkidder at ilstu.edu > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > No I have not, Larry. What settings do you recommend for starters? > > George > > > On 12/4/2016 11:02 AM, Larry Phipps wrote: > >> Have you tried adjusting the buffer settings in Device Mgr for your >> serial port? >> >> Larry N8LP >> >> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 09:33:33 -0500 >> From: George Kidder >> To: 'Elecraft Reflector' >> Subject: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> OK, gang! I've tried everything I can think of, and am now looking for >> some additional thoughts. >> >> Equipment: K3 (unmodified) with firmware 5.53, computer (2.99 GHz dual >> core, 4 GB memory) running Win 7, LP-Bridge (LPB) set for 200 mS delay. >> The computer is not connected to the internet, and all programs are >> brought in from another computer using a flash drive. >> >> Problem: At random but long intervals (hours) LP-Bridge crashes, >> displaying error 13 (type mismatch). Clearing this window causes >> program to close. This behavior is seen with no external programs >> connected to LPB, and with LPB set to any polling rate from 200 mS >> (default) to as much as 1000 mS. It is seen when LPB2 is used and the >> baud rate is reduced to 4800. When the crash occurs, the error seems to >> be in a response from the K3 - for instance, the "Rig Received Text" >> window shows "IS 0|00;" while it should show "IS 0600;". In this case >> the K3 was set to CW mode. In LSB mode, the same window shows "CW 6+;" >> where I presume it should have been "CW 60;". This damaged text shows >> up in all windows (Rig received, K3 Com port, Power SCR-IF Aux CAT port, >> etc.) >> >> Attempted resolution includes reloading the K3 firmware and reloading >> LPB from the website after clearing out all remnants of the old >> program. Nothing helps - LPB still crashes when allowed to run for >> several hours. Other programs not affected. Computer is on a UPS, so >> momentary power outage would not be a cause (even if there should be one >> every night!) >> >> Clearly, there is a communication failure between the K3 and LPB, since >> it occurs with nothing else connected. Is the problem with the K3, LBP >> or the Win 7 operating system which sits between them? And what more >> can I try to fix it? >> >> Your thoughts will be greatly appreciated. >> >> George, W3HBM >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From w0mu at w0mu.com Tue Dec 6 17:39:47 2016 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 15:39:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset/Mic Suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <7518B0757C47480FAAE66A3BFB483F51@BillPC> Message-ID: <126b5e77-d602-4ef4-f458-b250806b9e71@w0mu.com> Has anyone tried this mic for headphones? https://www.amazon.com/Headset-Buddy-Detachable-Microphone-Headphone/dp/B00DLKX7BK/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1481063490&sr=1-3&keywords=boom+mic+for+headphones $21.95 Reviews are not great. On 12/5/2016 2:51 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > ModMic makes boom mics that you can attach to existing headphones. If you are > happy with your current headphones, this could be a good option. > > https://antlionaudio.com/ > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Dec 5, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Bill Gaines wrote: >> >> Since I seldom use SSB I have not had the need to ask this question and I realize the responses may vary as much as belly buttons. I have a K3 and I also have the hand held microphone. I want to obtain a headset with an attached microphone to use with this radio just in case I may want to do some SSB work. I used to have a noise cancelling headset which I really liked because my shack is located in the laundry/utility room and it seems that the washer and/or dryer runs as often as the furnace does. The company that did make the noise cancelling headset no longer makes them so I am now trying to find out what other hams use or what is in the market place. I am especially interested in a noise cancelling headset with an attached microphone that sounds good on a K3. >> >> Thank you Bill AD8P >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com From ron at cobi.biz Tue Dec 6 17:43:38 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 14:43:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: <201612060752.uB67qTGd016995@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201612060752.uB67qTGd016995@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <004f01d25012$2fee8580$8fcb9080$@biz> That's a good warning, Ed. Even at DSL data rates, you are dealing with data signals in the radio frequency range. My rule for unshielded cables is "short and sweet is neat". 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 11:52 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet Since we all use the Internet this may be of interest: I bought a new Dell desktop on cyber-monday to be used for general purpose Internet browsing, e-mail, and maintaining my website. Figured the i5-6400 processor a good trade-off of speed vs cost and got 8GB memory and 1TB HD. I intend to keep using my 2008 Dell duo-core with XP32-SP3 for running all radio sw but unplugged from the Internet to isolate it from attack by maleware/virus and the OS would not require updates. Installing a GPS dongle with BktTimeSync (Z2BKT) makes this possible. So the new computer arrived overnight and I began loading my Internet-based programs and most files from the old computer. But starting Friday the e-mail began having trouble connecting for download or uploading and Internet came to a screeching halt (almost). I did some driver updates hoping maybe that was part of the problem. But my other computers and my wife's laptop and Ipad also experienced the same problems? A couple calls to the ISP discovered a mistake in a setup entry on my e-mail client but Internet still not able to find websites like msn.com, google or any site I entered. I ran a speed test and it looked OK for my DSL 3.2MBs for 3.5MBs service and 0.9MBs uploading? So one more call to the ISP and the gal who answered from Tech-help said it looked like we had a bad or shorted cable to our DSL Modem. She asked how long was the cable between phone jack and modem? Well we have moved things over the years so some cables ended up kind of long (we had 25-foot of RJ11 phone wired wrapped up with a tiewrap where a couple feet would suffice. I do not even recall it being so long but replacing it with a short 6-foot RJ11 jumper cured the slow Internet/e-mail issues. Modem is connected with ethernet jumper to router with two cat5e cables running to two separate rooms in the house where my computers and my wife's computer are located. I'm not a computer wonk; RF is my area of strength, so I figured the phone and Internet was kinda like audio stuff. Guess not. My guess with the cable folded into a bundle it had a lot of crosstalk or capacitive coupling which acted like a short at 3.5 MBs. Hope this long story helps anyone who has puzzled why they're Internet acts constipated (of course there may be other issues that can cause these problems). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Dec 6 17:48:39 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 14:48:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset/Mic Suggestions In-Reply-To: <126b5e77-d602-4ef4-f458-b250806b9e71@w0mu.com> References: <7518B0757C47480FAAE66A3BFB483F51@BillPC> <126b5e77-d602-4ef4-f458-b250806b9e71@w0mu.com> Message-ID: ?MoovMic? sounds like a bad copy of ?ModMic?, who invented this idea. The real one has 63% five-star ratings. Two models, one is $40, the other is $55. https://www.amazon.com/Antlion-Audio-ModMic-Attachable-Microphone/dp/B00T6XUL8S wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 6, 2016, at 2:39 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > > Has anyone tried this mic for headphones? > > https://www.amazon.com/Headset-Buddy-Detachable-Microphone-Headphone/dp/B00DLKX7BK/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1481063490&sr=1-3&keywords=boom+mic+for+headphones > > $21.95 > > Reviews are not great. > > > On 12/5/2016 2:51 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> ModMic makes boom mics that you can attach to existing headphones. If you are >> happy with your current headphones, this could be a good option. >> >> https://antlionaudio.com/ >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> Walter Underwood >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >> >>> On Dec 5, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Bill Gaines wrote: >>> >>> Since I seldom use SSB I have not had the need to ask this question and I realize the responses may vary as much as belly buttons. I have a K3 and I also have the hand held microphone. I want to obtain a headset with an attached microphone to use with this radio just in case I may want to do some SSB work. I used to have a noise cancelling headset which I really liked because my shack is located in the laundry/utility room and it seems that the washer and/or dryer runs as often as the furnace does. The company that did make the noise cancelling headset no longer makes them so I am now trying to find out what other hams use or what is in the market place. I am especially interested in a noise cancelling headset with an attached microphone that sounds good on a K3. >>> >>> Thank you Bill AD8P >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From w0mu at w0mu.com Tue Dec 6 17:56:14 2016 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 15:56:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset/Mic Suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <7518B0757C47480FAAE66A3BFB483F51@BillPC> <126b5e77-d602-4ef4-f458-b250806b9e71@w0mu.com> Message-ID: <9ac42624-5b4a-d9d1-ce86-4edf6a0f55c7@w0mu.com> Could be. Heil Sound made a ton of money from using very inexpensive elements they found off shore and tied it to a name. I am very leery of bogus reviews and any reviews anymore as so many companies are giving you their stuff so you give them good reviews. On 12/6/2016 3:48 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > ?MoovMic? sounds like a bad copy of ?ModMic?, who invented this idea. The real one has 63% five-star ratings. Two models, one is $40, the other is $55. > > https://www.amazon.com/Antlion-Audio-ModMic-Attachable-Microphone/dp/B00T6XUL8S > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Dec 6, 2016, at 2:39 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: >> >> Has anyone tried this mic for headphones? >> >> https://www.amazon.com/Headset-Buddy-Detachable-Microphone-Headphone/dp/B00DLKX7BK/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1481063490&sr=1-3&keywords=boom+mic+for+headphones >> >> $21.95 >> >> Reviews are not great. >> >> >> On 12/5/2016 2:51 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >>> ModMic makes boom mics that you can attach to existing headphones. If you are >>> happy with your current headphones, this could be a good option. >>> >>> https://antlionaudio.com/ >>> >>> wunder >>> K6WRU >>> Walter Underwood >>> CM87wj >>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >>> >>>> On Dec 5, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Bill Gaines wrote: >>>> >>>> Since I seldom use SSB I have not had the need to ask this question and I realize the responses may vary as much as belly buttons. I have a K3 and I also have the hand held microphone. I want to obtain a headset with an attached microphone to use with this radio just in case I may want to do some SSB work. I used to have a noise cancelling headset which I really liked because my shack is located in the laundry/utility room and it seems that the washer and/or dryer runs as often as the furnace does. The company that did make the noise cancelling headset no longer makes them so I am now trying to find out what other hams use or what is in the market place. I am especially interested in a noise cancelling headset with an attached microphone that sounds good on a K3. >>>> >>>> Thank you Bill AD8P >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com From rmbayer62 at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 18:10:07 2016 From: rmbayer62 at gmail.com (Robin Bayer) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 17:10:07 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/10 sn:7200s For Sale Message-ID: Late model Elecraft K2/10 SN: 7200 Manuals Near perfect condition Everything works excellently with full output and great audio. Only minor issue: Headphone jack sometimes needs to be rotated a small amount once to work. No microphone included *Installed Options* KSB2 SSB board KAT2 Internal Auto Tuner KNB2 Noise blanker KAF2 Audio Filter KIO2 RS-232 Computer interface with cable to USB adapter Serial interface only, USB interface not included Rework Internal Mic Adapter installed and jumpers set up for an Icom HM-36 http://www.unpcbs.com/adaptor/#nav_bar_id K6XX CW Tuning Indicator Installed http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/index_k2.html *Assembled but Not installed* Clifton Laboratories IF Buffer amp with K2 IF crystal http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/k2_interface.htm *Not assembled and Not installed * K2 Miscellaneous Accessory Board *is* assembled with an extra Rework Mic Adapter http://www.genebitsystems.com/david/K2MiscAccessoryBoard/index.htm SoftRock Lite receiver kit with K2 IF crystal for use as a Pan Adapter http://fivedash.com/ A few pictures can be seen on my QRZ.com page Any questions may be posed to my Email $875.00 Double boxed and shipped to the lower 48 Rob KA5QQA From gkidder at ilstu.edu Tue Dec 6 18:36:45 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 18:36:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: LP Bridge crashes with K3 In-Reply-To: <6a5cbcbd-c472-e8ab-2186-0905d5f569ab@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <6a5cbcbd-c472-e8ab-2186-0905d5f569ab@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: Lynn: Since the computer is not connected to the network, there should be little potential for evil except that which I generate myself! The major evil is the power that it draws! Tom and Guy: It certainly begins to sound as if the drivers are at fault. I formerly ran the program on my old XP machine with no problems, although I don't really remember if I gave it the "24 hour stress test". But that machine is too slow to use all the programs I want to use. But, Tom, I don't think it is memory leak, since running Task Manager and looking at the memory usage, I get a steady value around 1.1 GB for everything that is running, and this value does not change over 24 hours. Curiously, however, NaP3's CPU usage shows big spikes about every 20 seconds, going from ~20% to about 60% and back again. Both processors do this in parallel. This is not a LPB problem, however, since LPB shows a steady, low usage if NaP3 is not running. So, with a big thanks to everyone who replied, I will take the easy way out and shut down the computer at night. Maybe some day I will understand enough to use a different cure. 73 - George, W3HBM On 12/6/2016 2:07 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Computers that are turned off are safe from all kinds of potential > evil. That would be my recommendation. > > On 12/6/2016 10:37 AM, George Kidder wrote: >> So again I am at the end of my short rope! Maybe I should shut down >> the system EVERY night. That seems to cure it. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu From ae6ic at cox.net Tue Dec 6 19:13:16 2016 From: ae6ic at cox.net (Frederick Atchley) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 16:13:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 for sale Message-ID: <000301d2501e$b69f4d60$23dde820$@cox.net> Equipped with KPA3 100 Watt amplifier and KAT3 internal tuner. Bristol condition; issue-free; smoke-free; never mobile. Updated by Elecraft on 17 Oct 16 to include Gold pins and certified to meet or exceed factory specifications. $1750, includes shipping to lower 48. It was my pride and joy but I just upgraded to K3s. If interested contact: Fred at ae6ic at cox.net. From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Tue Dec 6 20:05:47 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 17:05:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: LP Bridge crashes with K3 In-Reply-To: References: <6a5cbcbd-c472-e8ab-2186-0905d5f569ab@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: On 12/6/2016 3:36 PM, George Kidder wrote: > Lynn: Since the computer is not connected to the network, there > should be little potential for evil except that which I generate > myself! The major evil is the power that it draws! The major evil would be power spikes. I've not lost a computer that was off, but I've lost computers to power spikes that were turned on. From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 21:42:29 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 04:42:29 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 + VGA response Message-ID: <9eee2ab6-2e52-7315-4103-733119f2bb70@gmail.com> I like to narrow the span on my P3 to a few kHz when trying to break a split pileup. But I notice that the response of the VFO B marker to the VFO B tuning seems relatively sluggish in this case. It especially seems that way when viewed on the large display provided by the VGA card. This makes it harder to place the TX frequency in the correct spot quickly. Are there any settings on the P3 that might improve this? Other ideas? -- 73, Vic, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 7 08:15:00 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 13:15:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 frequency resolution with RX SHIFT at 8 kHz? Message-ID: Today in order to eliminate the annoying VFO noise on 28 MHz when using my transverter, I changed the KX3 RX Shift from NOR to 8 kHz. I immediately noticed something was different with the PX3. Particularly when using narrow spans to examine weak CW signals like beacons. The waterfall display shows blocky noise and the frequency resolution of the narrow CW signal is much less than a with the RX Shift at Normal. Is this by design or some limitation? I would prefer if it were possible to hVe the same resolution on the PX3 in either RX SHIFT mode. 73 from David GM4JJJ From sblogghe at rochester.rr.com Wed Dec 7 10:22:06 2016 From: sblogghe at rochester.rr.com (Sean Logghe) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 10:22:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Centering the Display Message-ID: <001201d2509d$ab81e530$0285af90$@rochester.rr.com> I was wondering if anyone has come up with a macro that will (reliably) move the P3 to a frequency (K3 VFO A) and center that frequency on the display? I have a P3 w/ SVGA. I am using the latest firmware(MCU 1.60; SVGA 1.34; FPGA 1.04). I am testing macros using the latest P3 utility(1.16.3.15) Command Tester. (FYI - I live in Fixed Tune Mode.) Consider the following scenario: Three macros that each move (FA) to 2.5 MHz, 5.0 MHz, and 10.0 MHz respectively and then center the display (#CTF or #CTF 0 or #RCF 0 or #FXT0;#FXT1; or even just an FA again). (And yes, I do have more useful needs for this, but this seems like a simple example.) Execute them one after the other. After each macro, I am always left with the Frequency Cursor at the left edge of the P3 display which is the desired frequency and now defined as the P3 "Center Frequency" as displayed in the middle of the top edge of the display (this is also the frequency indicated at the left of the top edge of the display, the "Lower Frequency Limit"). If I execute the same macro a second time I am centered on the display just fine. The breakdown seems to occur if I am commanding a new frequency which is not within some range of the current P3 display. IE. - Going from 2.5 MHz to 5.0 MHz fails but from 2.706 MHz to 2.5 MHz works. (Bulletin! - Extensive (!) testing has shown that the 2.5 MHz macro will work properly if the starting frequency is in the range of 100KHz - 2.999 MHz; the 5.0 MHz macro will work properly in the starting frequency range of 4.800 - 5.999 MHz; and the 10 MHz macro will work properly in the starting frequency range of 9.000 - 22.999 MHz.) I think that (from K3 relay noises) those boundaries coincide with some band filter switching. I have no idea what that means. I have tried every command combination that I can think of to no avail. Breaking the macro into separate components works fine. But it would be nice to accomplish this without having to execute two separate macros. Of course the internal programming of the P3 is a black box to me, but the behavior suggests that it may be a timing issue for the macro execution. It is as if, after executing the FA command, the centering commands are still seeing the previous frequency and falling back on the default behavior of parking at the left edge of the display whenever it thinks that it is being commanded out of the range of the current P3 display. Even though it isn't. But that may just be a fantasy I have created in my own mind! I am happy to entertain any suggestions. Keep in mind that the manual would make you think that several options should work just fine but the execution isn't so copacetic. You might want to try things out with the Utility's Command Tester. Maybe my understanding of what should be possible needs realignment. ;) Or perhaps I should just resign myself to the reality that it doesn't work the way I want it to and move on! :) Thanks for any hints or tips. Sean KB2CKN From dave at nk7z.net Wed Dec 7 11:08:21 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 08:08:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Centering the Display In-Reply-To: <001201d2509d$ab81e530$0285af90$@rochester.rr.com> References: <001201d2509d$ab81e530$0285af90$@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <84afbf8f-8eee-7d4b-7c2f-a90706dfa23e@nk7z.net> I believe: #RCF+000000; Will do this... You can expand on it of course... 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 12/07/2016 07:22 AM, Sean Logghe wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has come up with a macro that will (reliably) move > the P3 to a frequency (K3 VFO A) and center that frequency on the display? > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From fcady at montana.edu Wed Dec 7 11:31:02 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 16:31:02 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Centering the Display In-Reply-To: <84afbf8f-8eee-7d4b-7c2f-a90706dfa23e@nk7z.net> References: <001201d2509d$ab81e530$0285af90$@rochester.rr.com>, <84afbf8f-8eee-7d4b-7c2f-a90706dfa23e@nk7z.net> Message-ID: Good morning, The center frequency command is: #CTFsggmmmkkkhhh; where s is + or space, and ggmmmkkkhhh is the frequency. To center on VFO A, use #CTF+00000000000; P3 programmer's commands have to be executed on the P3. While you can embed K3 commands in a P3 macro, you can't put P3 commands in a K3 macro. (Which is kind of too bad.) Cheers and 73, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com (A macro programming book is coming soon.) ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Dave Cole Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 9:08 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Centering the Display I believe: #RCF+000000; Will do this... You can expand on it of course... 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 12/07/2016 07:22 AM, Sean Logghe wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has come up with a macro that will (reliably) move > the P3 to a frequency (K3 VFO A) and center that frequency on the display? > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 12:31:28 2016 From: K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com (K5MWR) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 11:31:28 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Centering the Display In-Reply-To: <001201d2509d$ab81e530$0285af90$@rochester.rr.com> References: <001201d2509d$ab81e530$0285af90$@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <12083d03-e67b-7fee-c94e-79614fe85c89@yahoo.com> As an example of how you can set up markers, span and center frequency. #MKA1;#MFA+00014077000;#MKB1;#MFB+00014078000;#SPN000050;#CTF+00014077750; 73,Dave K5MWR On 12/7/2016 9:22 AM, Sean Logghe wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has come up with a macro that will (reliably) move > the P3 to a frequency (K3 VFO A) and center that frequency on the display? > > > > I have a P3 w/ SVGA. I am using the latest firmware(MCU 1.60; SVGA 1.34; > FPGA 1.04). I am testing macros using the latest P3 utility(1.16.3.15) > Command Tester. (FYI - I live in Fixed Tune Mode.) > > > > Consider the following scenario: Three macros that each move (FA) to 2.5 > MHz, 5.0 MHz, and 10.0 MHz respectively and then center the display (#CTF or > #CTF 0 or #RCF 0 or #FXT0;#FXT1; or even just an FA again). > > > > (And yes, I do have more useful needs for this, but this seems like a simple > example.) > > > > Execute them one after the other. > > > > After each macro, I am always left with the Frequency Cursor at the left > edge of the P3 display which is the desired frequency and now defined as the > P3 "Center Frequency" as displayed in the middle of the top edge of the > display (this is also the frequency indicated at the left of the top edge of > the display, the "Lower Frequency Limit"). > > > > If I execute the same macro a second time I am centered on the display just > fine. The breakdown seems to occur if I am commanding a new frequency which > is not within some range of the current P3 display. IE. - Going from 2.5 MHz > to 5.0 MHz fails but from 2.706 MHz to 2.5 MHz works. > > > > (Bulletin! - Extensive (!) testing has shown that the 2.5 MHz macro will > work properly if the starting frequency is in the range of 100KHz - 2.999 > MHz; the 5.0 MHz macro will work properly in the starting frequency range of > 4.800 - 5.999 MHz; and the 10 MHz macro will work properly in the starting > frequency range of 9.000 - 22.999 MHz.) > > I think that (from K3 relay noises) those boundaries coincide with some band > filter switching. I have no idea what that means. > > > > I have tried every command combination that I can think of to no avail. > > > > Breaking the macro into separate components works fine. > > > > But it would be nice to accomplish this without having to execute two > separate macros. > > > > Of course the internal programming of the P3 is a black box to me, but the > behavior suggests that it may be a timing issue for the macro execution. It > is as if, after executing the FA command, the centering commands are still > seeing the previous frequency and falling back on the default behavior of > parking at the left edge of the display whenever it thinks that it is being > commanded out of the range of the current P3 display. Even though it isn't. > > > > But that may just be a fantasy I have created in my own mind! > > > > I am happy to entertain any suggestions. Keep in mind that the manual would > make you think that several options should work just fine but the execution > isn't so copacetic. You might want to try things out with the Utility's > Command Tester. Maybe my understanding of what should be possible needs > realignment. ;) > > > > Or perhaps I should just resign myself to the reality that it doesn't work > the way I want it to and move on! :) > > > > Thanks for any hints or tips. > > > > Sean > > KB2CKN > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k5mwr_vna at yahoo.com > From dhorn1 at san.rr.com Wed Dec 7 00:50:49 2016 From: dhorn1 at san.rr.com (Dale) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 00:50:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] TEST Message-ID: <1F7201EB6E624B8DAE2C2A420DB4DCFE@FastputLaptop> TEST from Dale, K8ETI From K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 18:54:38 2016 From: K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com (K5MWR) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 17:54:38 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Centering the Display In-Reply-To: <001201d2509d$ab81e530$0285af90$@rochester.rr.com> References: <001201d2509d$ab81e530$0285af90$@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <75ad9618-164c-41bc-b173-fe6289b9c53f@yahoo.com> Sean Apologies as I did not read your full post when I sent the earlier response. I too see the same type of response and need to execute an involved macro multiple times in order to get it to fully function. Depends on what frequency/band and mode I am starting with. I would like to have a macro to take me to a digital mode such as JT65 using something like below. BN03;FA00007076000;MD6;DT0;PC020;BW0400;FT0;SB0;SWH09;#MKA1;#MFA+00007077000;#MKB1;#MFB+00007078000;#SPN000050;#CTF+00007077750; My understanding is that the time to execute band or large frequency changes in indeterminate and that there is no simple pause command that can be inserted to allow the steps to complete. I also find that the inability to know what mode such as VOX/PTT you are in causes problems. There was mention at one time that a VOX command was to be implemented but have not seen that. Dave K5MWR On 12/7/2016 9:22 AM, Sean Logghe wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has come up with a macro that will (reliably) move > the P3 to a frequency (K3 VFO A) and center that frequency on the display? > > > > I have a P3 w/ SVGA. I am using the latest firmware(MCU 1.60; SVGA 1.34; > FPGA 1.04). I am testing macros using the latest P3 utility(1.16.3.15) > Command Tester. (FYI - I live in Fixed Tune Mode.) > > > > Consider the following scenario: Three macros that each move (FA) to 2.5 > MHz, 5.0 MHz, and 10.0 MHz respectively and then center the display (#CTF or > #CTF 0 or #RCF 0 or #FXT0;#FXT1; or even just an FA again). > > > > (And yes, I do have more useful needs for this, but this seems like a simple > example.) > > > > Execute them one after the other. > > > > After each macro, I am always left with the Frequency Cursor at the left > edge of the P3 display which is the desired frequency and now defined as the > P3 "Center Frequency" as displayed in the middle of the top edge of the > display (this is also the frequency indicated at the left of the top edge of > the display, the "Lower Frequency Limit"). > > > > If I execute the same macro a second time I am centered on the display just > fine. The breakdown seems to occur if I am commanding a new frequency which > is not within some range of the current P3 display. IE. - Going from 2.5 MHz > to 5.0 MHz fails but from 2.706 MHz to 2.5 MHz works. > > > > (Bulletin! - Extensive (!) testing has shown that the 2.5 MHz macro will > work properly if the starting frequency is in the range of 100KHz - 2.999 > MHz; the 5.0 MHz macro will work properly in the starting frequency range of > 4.800 - 5.999 MHz; and the 10 MHz macro will work properly in the starting > frequency range of 9.000 - 22.999 MHz.) > > I think that (from K3 relay noises) those boundaries coincide with some band > filter switching. I have no idea what that means. > > > > I have tried every command combination that I can think of to no avail. > > > > Breaking the macro into separate components works fine. > > > > But it would be nice to accomplish this without having to execute two > separate macros. > > > > Of course the internal programming of the P3 is a black box to me, but the > behavior suggests that it may be a timing issue for the macro execution. It > is as if, after executing the FA command, the centering commands are still > seeing the previous frequency and falling back on the default behavior of > parking at the left edge of the display whenever it thinks that it is being > commanded out of the range of the current P3 display. Even though it isn't. > > > > But that may just be a fantasy I have created in my own mind! > > > > I am happy to entertain any suggestions. Keep in mind that the manual would > make you think that several options should work just fine but the execution > isn't so copacetic. You might want to try things out with the Utility's > Command Tester. Maybe my understanding of what should be possible needs > realignment. ;) > > > > Or perhaps I should just resign myself to the reality that it doesn't work > the way I want it to and move on! :) > > > > Thanks for any hints or tips. > > > > Sean > > KB2CKN > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k5mwr_vna at yahoo.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Dec 7 19:17:28 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 19:17:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Centering the Display In-Reply-To: <75ad9618-164c-41bc-b173-fe6289b9c53f@yahoo.com> References: <001201d2509d$ab81e530$0285af90$@rochester.rr.com> <75ad9618-164c-41bc-b173-fe6289b9c53f@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <71785526-0acd-f85b-0496-94463063af56@embarqmail.com> I guess I don't understand what you want to accomplish. If you want the VFO A to be in the center of the display, simply change the mode from FIXED to TRACKING. That will keep the VFO frequency centered - no macros required. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/7/2016 6:54 PM, K5MWR via Elecraft wrote: > Sean > > Apologies as I did not read your full post when I sent the earlier > response. > > I too see the same type of response and need to execute an involved > macro multiple times in order to get it to fully function. Depends on > what frequency/band and mode I am starting with. I would like to have a > macro to take me to a digital mode such as JT65 using something like below. > > BN03;FA00007076000;MD6;DT0;PC020;BW0400;FT0;SB0;SWH09;#MKA1;#MFA+00007077000;#MKB1;#MFB+00007078000;#SPN000050;#CTF+00007077750; > > > My understanding is that the time to execute band or large frequency > changes in indeterminate and that there is no simple pause command that > can be inserted to allow the steps to complete. > I also find that the inability to know what mode such as VOX/PTT you are > in causes problems. There was mention at one time that a VOX command > was to be implemented but have not seen that. > From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Dec 7 19:34:02 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 16:34:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Centering the Display In-Reply-To: <71785526-0acd-f85b-0496-94463063af56@embarqmail.com> References: <001201d2509d$ab81e530$0285af90$@rochester.rr.com> <75ad9618-164c-41bc-b173-fe6289b9c53f@yahoo.com> <71785526-0acd-f85b-0496-94463063af56@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <3e9f1a75-1d9f-d014-7ca2-2dfacda3502a@foothill.net> I think [but don't fully understand the original question either] that he is in Fixed Tune mode and wants to stay there, but when he executes the as-yet-undetermined macro, he wants the desired frequency in the center of the screen, presumably with the edges at CF+/-[SPAN/2]. Eric, Wayne, and the E-crowd could solve all of this if they just devised a procedural programming language for the K3/P3, wrote a compiler and linker, and provided a set of thoroughly debugged DLL's. It can't involve more than a few lines of code. Since Elecraft software utilities are free, this would be a good deal, no? Christmas is coming ... [:-)) 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 - www.cqp.org On 12/7/2016 4:17 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I guess I don't understand what you want to accomplish. > If you want the VFO A to be in the center of the display, simply change > the mode from FIXED to TRACKING. That will keep the VFO frequency > centered - no macros required. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Wed Dec 7 20:06:48 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 17:06:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] TEST In-Reply-To: <1F7201EB6E624B8DAE2C2A420DB4DCFE@FastputLaptop> References: <1F7201EB6E624B8DAE2C2A420DB4DCFE@FastputLaptop> Message-ID: <58a636f2-db08-bff6-986d-ab842817fd85@roadrunner.com> 5x5, om! 73, matt W6NIA On 12/06/2016 09:50 PM, Dale wrote: > TEST from Dale, K8ETI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -- R. Heinlein Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Voignier] From n1al at sonic.net Wed Dec 7 20:11:17 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 17:11:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Centering the Display In-Reply-To: <3e9f1a75-1d9f-d014-7ca2-2dfacda3502a@foothill.net> References: <001201d2509d$ab81e530$0285af90$@rochester.rr.com> <75ad9618-164c-41bc-b173-fe6289b9c53f@yahoo.com> <71785526-0acd-f85b-0496-94463063af56@embarqmail.com> <3e9f1a75-1d9f-d014-7ca2-2dfacda3502a@foothill.net> Message-ID: <9d996053-64fc-0271-f1ea-02ddd42f8a01@sonic.net> I think all you have to do is QSY, switch to tracking mode to center the display and then switch back to fixed mode. Alan N1AL On 12/07/2016 04:34 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > I think [but don't fully understand the original question either] that > he is in Fixed Tune mode and wants to stay there, but when he executes > the as-yet-undetermined macro, he wants the desired frequency in the > center of the screen, presumably with the edges at CF+/-[SPAN/2]. > > Eric, Wayne, and the E-crowd could solve all of this if they just > devised a procedural programming language for the K3/P3, wrote a > compiler and linker, and provided a set of thoroughly debugged DLL's. It > can't involve more than a few lines of code. Since Elecraft software > utilities are free, this would be a good deal, no? Christmas is coming > ... [:-)) > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Sparks NV DM09dn > > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 > - www.cqp.org > > On 12/7/2016 4:17 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> I guess I don't understand what you want to accomplish. >> If you want the VFO A to be in the center of the display, simply change >> the mode from FIXED to TRACKING. That will keep the VFO frequency >> centered - no macros required. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net From n1al at sonic.net Wed Dec 7 20:57:02 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 17:57:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Centering the Display In-Reply-To: <9d996053-64fc-0271-f1ea-02ddd42f8a01@sonic.net> References: <001201d2509d$ab81e530$0285af90$@rochester.rr.com> <75ad9618-164c-41bc-b173-fe6289b9c53f@yahoo.com> <71785526-0acd-f85b-0496-94463063af56@embarqmail.com> <3e9f1a75-1d9f-d014-7ca2-2dfacda3502a@foothill.net> <9d996053-64fc-0271-f1ea-02ddd42f8a01@sonic.net> Message-ID: <09d1daed-ab2f-4b86-9007-b55747730630@sonic.net> On 12/07/2016 05:11 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: > I think all you have to do is QSY, switch to tracking mode to center the > display and then switch back to fixed mode. I should have actually tried it before I opened my big mouth. :=) That works when sending commands manually but not in a macro. The problem seems to be that the K3 is not done processing the QSY command before the P3 fixed-tune commands occur. It is as though the fixed-tune commands happened before the QSY rather than after. I confirmed that by putting a loooooooooooooooooong string of semicolons after the FA command to add a delay. About 225 semicolons seems to work reliably on my unit. With these two macros: FA00007000000;;;;;;;; <225 total semicolons> ;;;#FXT0;#FXT1; FA00007290000;;;;;;;; <225 total semicolons> ;;;#FXT0;#FXT1; I can switch back and forth between the two frequencies in fixed-tune mode and the display remains centered about the VFO A frequency. Admittedly that is not a very elegant solution and is not necessarily guaranteed to always work. Another work-around is to leave out the extra semicolons and just manually send the macro twice. The fraction of a second pause between button presses is enough to allow the K3 time to respond. Alan N1AL > Alan N1AL > > > On 12/07/2016 04:34 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> I think [but don't fully understand the original question either] that >> he is in Fixed Tune mode and wants to stay there, but when he executes >> the as-yet-undetermined macro, he wants the desired frequency in the >> center of the screen, presumably with the edges at CF+/-[SPAN/2]. >> >> Eric, Wayne, and the E-crowd could solve all of this if they just >> devised a procedural programming language for the K3/P3, wrote a >> compiler and linker, and provided a set of thoroughly debugged DLL's. It >> can't involve more than a few lines of code. Since Elecraft software >> utilities are free, this would be a good deal, no? Christmas is coming >> ... [:-)) >> >> 73, >> >> Fred K6DGW >> - Sparks NV DM09dn >> >> - Northern California Contest Club >> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 >> - www.cqp.org >> >> On 12/7/2016 4:17 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> I guess I don't understand what you want to accomplish. >>> If you want the VFO A to be in the center of the display, simply change >>> the mode from FIXED to TRACKING. That will keep the VFO frequency >>> centered - no macros required. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Dec 7 21:15:19 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 17:15:19 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet Message-ID: <201612080215.uB82FLcX022911@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Ron, Usually my rule, too. I was astonished to find that huge bundled cord, but this is in my wife's hobby room which is her domain. We had changed location of the DSL modem and router along the way and I suppose that was an expedient to keep the system connected. Janet is predisposed to rearranging furniture a couple times per year in her area (ham shack is hands-off territory; I even give her clearance when she can vacuum floors). So, originally, I had the modem/router in the ham shack, then it moved to her room where she had her computer station, then last spring she relocated the computer across the hall to our master bedroom to make room for a folding couch-bed for visitors in the hobby room. I have a four-port switch (not a router) in the ham shack for routing to computers (two active at present with shielded ethernet cables and third cable to use with laptop on occasion). Have more USB cables in use: four for new computer and seven on old computer. When we build the new ham shack next summer, all the wall warts will be eliminated with power sourced from main 12v PS via individual regulators. Only concern is whether 50-foot will be too long for connecting to the router at the other end of the house. I will not use wireless. Old ham shack will be restored to spare bedroom/den (I have closet converted to library). 2017 will be a busy year for us! 73, Ed - KL7UW ------------------- From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" To: "'Edward R Cole'" , "'Elecraft Reflector'" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet Message-ID: <004f01d25012$2fee8580$8fcb9080$@biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That's a good warning, Ed. Even at DSL data rates, you are dealing with data signals in the radio frequency range. My rule for unshielded cables is "short and sweet is neat". Message-ID: <004f01d25012$2fee8580$8fcb9080$@biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That's a good warning, Ed. Even at DSL data rates, you are dealing with data signals in the radio frequency range. My rule for unshielded cables is "short and sweet is neat". 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Dec 7 21:32:16 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 18:32:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: <201612080215.uB82FLcX022911@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201612080215.uB82FLcX022911@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <206bddca-3842-7417-caef-b4405ad2d4c7@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,12/7/2016 6:15 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > I will not use wireless. Why not? I use nothing but, and it's plenty fast enough for us to stream video. There is noise associated with wired Ethernet. While choking the Ethernet cable can knock it down, not always completely. As to telephone cable -- CAT5 and other structured cable is excellent for use in telephone wiring, and has far better bandwidth than almost anything else that could be used. Certainly better than standard Telco pairs. The fact that it's very good twisted pair also helps it resist RF and noise coupling. 73, Jim K9YC From w5tm001 at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 21:44:56 2016 From: w5tm001 at gmail.com (Ed Gilliland) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 20:44:56 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] New HP Laptop Function Key Problem Message-ID: Just received a new HP ProBook 455 G3 with Windows 10 Professional. I've been able to successfully install N1MM+ and the laptop will key my K3s If I use the mouse and click on the function key that N1MM+ displays or if I hold the laptop Fn key down and press one of the laptop function keys. Is there a way to setup the laptop keyboard so that when I press F1 I don't get "Help" but send N1MM+ F1? Thanks. Ed W5TM From idarack at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 21:51:25 2016 From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 02:51:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New HP Laptop Function Key Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes. I have done it with all my laptops.if you search the web you will find it for your specific Laptop. You have to make the change in the Laptop Bios. Irwin On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:48 PM Ed Gilliland wrote: > Just received a new HP ProBook 455 G3 with Windows 10 Professional. I've > > been able to successfully install N1MM+ and the laptop will key my K3s If I > > use the mouse and click on the function key that N1MM+ displays or if I > > hold the laptop Fn key down and press one of the laptop function keys. Is > > there a way to setup the laptop keyboard so that when I press F1 I don't > > get "Help" but send N1MM+ F1? Thanks. > > > > Ed W5TM > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to idarack at gmail.com > > From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com Wed Dec 7 22:23:38 2016 From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 21:23:38 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: <206bddca-3842-7417-caef-b4405ad2d4c7@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <201612080215.uB82FLcX022911@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> <206bddca-3842-7417-caef-b4405ad2d4c7@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I used to use a wired network. Then I took a lightning hit that came in to the hamshack. It destroyed the hamshack computer and two other computers on a different floor and several rooms away. They were all connected to the wired router which also got zapped. The wired router was connected to a cable modem by a 18" Ethernet cable. The modem got zapped too. The RG-6 coming out of the cable modem exits the house and travels at least 150 ft underground to a two-port amplifier near the street that serves my house and my neighbor's house. My side of the amplifier also got zapped but, strangely, my neighbor's was fine. Also connected the the wired router was a wireless access point that was used for laptops/phones/tablets. The access point was also fried. Now the whole house is wireless with zero problems. On 12/7/2016 8:32 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Wed,12/7/2016 6:15 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: >> I will not use wireless. > > Why not? I use nothing but, and it's plenty fast enough for us to > stream video. There is noise associated with wired Ethernet. While > choking the Ethernet cable can knock it down, not always completely. > > As to telephone cable -- CAT5 and other structured cable is excellent > for use in telephone wiring, and has far better bandwidth than almost > anything else that could be used. Certainly better than standard Telco > pairs. The fact that it's very good twisted pair also helps it resist > RF and noise coupling. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to garyk9gs at wi.rr.com > -- 73, Gary K9GS Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com CW Ops #1032 http://www.cwops.org ************************************************ From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Dec 7 22:29:43 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 22:29:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Centering the Display In-Reply-To: <9d996053-64fc-0271-f1ea-02ddd42f8a01@sonic.net> References: <001201d2509d$ab81e530$0285af90$@rochester.rr.com> <75ad9618-164c-41bc-b173-fe6289b9c53f@yahoo.com> <71785526-0acd-f85b-0496-94463063af56@embarqmail.com> <3e9f1a75-1d9f-d014-7ca2-2dfacda3502a@foothill.net> <9d996053-64fc-0271-f1ea-02ddd42f8a01@sonic.net> Message-ID: So simple. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 7, 2016, at 8:11 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: > > I think all you have to do is QSY, switch to tracking mode to center the display and then switch back to fixed mode. > > Alan N1AL > > >> On 12/07/2016 04:34 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> I think [but don't fully understand the original question either] that >> he is in Fixed Tune mode and wants to stay there, but when he executes >> the as-yet-undetermined macro, he wants the desired frequency in the >> center of the screen, presumably with the edges at CF+/-[SPAN/2]. >> >> Eric, Wayne, and the E-crowd could solve all of this if they just >> devised a procedural programming language for the K3/P3, wrote a >> compiler and linker, and provided a set of thoroughly debugged DLL's. It >> can't involve more than a few lines of code. Since Elecraft software >> utilities are free, this would be a good deal, no? Christmas is coming >> ... [:-)) >> >> 73, >> >> Fred K6DGW >> - Sparks NV DM09dn >> >> - Northern California Contest Club >> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 >> - www.cqp.org >> >>> On 12/7/2016 4:17 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> I guess I don't understand what you want to accomplish. >>> If you want the VFO A to be in the center of the display, simply change >>> the mode from FIXED to TRACKING. That will keep the VFO frequency >>> centered - no macros required. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Dec 7 22:32:13 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 22:32:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Centering the Display In-Reply-To: <09d1daed-ab2f-4b86-9007-b55747730630@sonic.net> References: <001201d2509d$ab81e530$0285af90$@rochester.rr.com> <75ad9618-164c-41bc-b173-fe6289b9c53f@yahoo.com> <71785526-0acd-f85b-0496-94463063af56@embarqmail.com> <3e9f1a75-1d9f-d014-7ca2-2dfacda3502a@foothill.net> <9d996053-64fc-0271-f1ea-02ddd42f8a01@sonic.net> <09d1daed-ab2f-4b86-9007-b55747730630@sonic.net> Message-ID: So set a PF Key to toggle modes. How hard is it to tap a button? How you gonna execute the Macro anyway? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 7, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: > >> On 12/07/2016 05:11 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: >> I think all you have to do is QSY, switch to tracking mode to center the >> display and then switch back to fixed mode. > > I should have actually tried it before I opened my big mouth. :=) That works when sending commands manually but not in a macro. > > The problem seems to be that the K3 is not done processing the QSY command before the P3 fixed-tune commands occur. It is as though the fixed-tune commands happened before the QSY rather than after. > > I confirmed that by putting a loooooooooooooooooong string of semicolons after the FA command to add a delay. About 225 semicolons seems to work reliably on my unit. With these two macros: > > FA00007000000;;;;;;;; <225 total semicolons> ;;;#FXT0;#FXT1; > FA00007290000;;;;;;;; <225 total semicolons> ;;;#FXT0;#FXT1; > > I can switch back and forth between the two frequencies in fixed-tune mode and the display remains centered about the VFO A frequency. > > Admittedly that is not a very elegant solution and is not necessarily guaranteed to always work. Another work-around is to leave out the extra semicolons and just manually send the macro twice. The fraction of a second pause between button presses is enough to allow the K3 time to respond. > > Alan N1AL > > > >> Alan N1AL >> >> >>> On 12/07/2016 04:34 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >>> I think [but don't fully understand the original question either] that >>> he is in Fixed Tune mode and wants to stay there, but when he executes >>> the as-yet-undetermined macro, he wants the desired frequency in the >>> center of the screen, presumably with the edges at CF+/-[SPAN/2]. >>> >>> Eric, Wayne, and the E-crowd could solve all of this if they just >>> devised a procedural programming language for the K3/P3, wrote a >>> compiler and linker, and provided a set of thoroughly debugged DLL's. It >>> can't involve more than a few lines of code. Since Elecraft software >>> utilities are free, this would be a good deal, no? Christmas is coming >>> ... [:-)) >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Fred K6DGW >>> - Sparks NV DM09dn >>> >>> - Northern California Contest Club >>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 >>> - www.cqp.org >>> >>>> On 12/7/2016 4:17 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>> I guess I don't understand what you want to accomplish. >>>> If you want the VFO A to be in the center of the display, simply change >>>> the mode from FIXED to TRACKING. That will keep the VFO frequency >>>> centered - no macros required. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Dec 7 22:34:09 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 22:34:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New HP Laptop Function Key Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Google it for your laptop. It's a easy fix for most. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 7, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Ed Gilliland wrote: > > Just received a new HP ProBook 455 G3 with Windows 10 Professional. I've > been able to successfully install N1MM+ and the laptop will key my K3s If I > use the mouse and click on the function key that N1MM+ displays or if I > hold the laptop Fn key down and press one of the laptop function keys. Is > there a way to setup the laptop keyboard so that when I press F1 I don't > get "Help" but send N1MM+ F1? Thanks. > > Ed W5TM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From jim at pandzik.com Wed Dec 7 22:40:54 2016 From: jim at pandzik.com (James Pandzik) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 21:40:54 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: <201612080215.uB82FLcX022911@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201612080215.uB82FLcX022911@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <5848D646.3060006@pandzik.com> No problem with a 50 foot run. Theoretic limit is over 300 feet, but signals get wobbly at about 275 feet. Jim Pandzik - KE9PK and CCNA, A+, Network+, etc. On 12/7/2016 8:15 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Ron, > > Usually my rule, too. > > I was astonished to find that huge bundled cord, but this is in my > wife's hobby room which is her domain. We had changed location of the > DSL modem and router along the way and I suppose that was an expedient > to keep the system connected. Janet is predisposed to rearranging > furniture a couple times per year in her area (ham shack is hands-off > territory; I even give her clearance when she can vacuum floors). > > So, originally, I had the modem/router in the ham shack, then it moved > to her room where she had her computer station, then last spring she > relocated the computer across the hall to our master bedroom to make > room for a folding couch-bed for visitors in the hobby room. > > I have a four-port switch (not a router) in the ham shack for routing > to computers (two active at present with shielded ethernet cables and > third cable to use with laptop on occasion). Have more USB cables in > use: four for new computer and seven on old computer. > > When we build the new ham shack next summer, all the wall warts will > be eliminated with power sourced from main 12v PS via individual > regulators. Only concern is whether 50-foot will be too long for > connecting to the router at the other end of the house. I will not > use wireless. Old ham shack will be restored to spare bedroom/den (I > have closet converted to library). > > 2017 will be a busy year for us! > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > ------------------- > From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" > To: "'Edward R Cole'" , "'Elecraft Reflector'" > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet > Message-ID: <004f01d25012$2fee8580$8fcb9080$@biz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > That's a good warning, Ed. > > Even at DSL data rates, you are dealing with data signals in the radio > frequency range. > > My rule for unshielded cables is "short and sweet is neat". > > Message-ID: <004f01d25012$2fee8580$8fcb9080$@biz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > That's a good warning, Ed. > > Even at DSL data rates, you are dealing with data signals in the radio > frequency range. > > My rule for unshielded cables is "short and sweet is neat". > > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > Dubus-NA Business mail: > dubususa at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at pandzik.com From n8lp at telepostinc.com Wed Dec 7 22:43:55 2016 From: n8lp at telepostinc.com (Larry Phipps) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 22:43:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5848D6FB.1030106@telepostinc.com> The largest option that they offer for both xmt and rcv buffers. Larry On 12/7/2016 7:34 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 > >Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2016 18:43:53 -0500 > >From: George Kidder > >Reply-To:gkidder at ilstu.edu > >To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > > >No I have not, Larry. What settings do you recommend for starters? > > > >George > > > > > >On 12/4/2016 11:02 AM, Larry Phipps wrote: > > >> >>Have you tried adjusting the buffer settings in Device Mgr for your >> >>serial port? >> >> >> >>Larry N8LP From n4lg at qx.net Thu Dec 8 10:21:15 2016 From: n4lg at qx.net (Bill Cotter) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 10:21:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: New-in-Box PR6 Message-ID: I have for sale a new-in-box (unused) PR6 6M preamp for the K3. I converted the transceiver over to the PR6/10/12 and this item is surplus to my needs. The PR6 E850347 6M preamp comes with two 31-218-RFX male-to-male BNC adapters, and the E85034B power cable assembly. $95 shipped CONUS 73 Bill N4LG From raysills3 at verizon.net Thu Dec 8 10:41:51 2016 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 10:41:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: <206bddca-3842-7417-caef-b4405ad2d4c7@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <201612080215.uB82FLcX022911@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> <206bddca-3842-7417-caef-b4405ad2d4c7@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <9EFF98D4-6593-43AB-939F-D7A26E80B73E@verizon.net> Indeed? why not use wireless? Turns out, my wireless connection (compared to wired ethernet) is -faster-! And, when I?m at my 4-land QTH, my only internet service is via an Xfinity hot spot, which I can purchase by the hour, day, week, or month, as needed. The only aspect about that service is that it is enabled on a single device, so we use my wife?s laptop whilst there. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 > On Dec 7, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Wed,12/7/2016 6:15 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: >> I will not use wireless. > > Why not? I use nothing but, and it's plenty fast enough for us to stream video. There is noise associated with wired Ethernet. While choking the Ethernet cable can knock it down, not always completely. > > As to telephone cable -- CAT5 and other structured cable is excellent for use in telephone wiring, and has far better bandwidth than almost anything else that could be used. Certainly better than standard Telco pairs. The fact that it's very good twisted pair also helps it resist RF and noise coupling. > > 73, Jim K9YC > From sblogghe at rochester.rr.com Thu Dec 8 12:00:54 2016 From: sblogghe at rochester.rr.com (Sean Logghe) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 12:00:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Centering the Display Message-ID: <004401d25174$a3a98de0$eafca9a0$@rochester.rr.com> Thanks for your note Dave! It is reassuring when someone else can confirm odd behavior and that it is not just me failing to understand what is supposed to happen. That is the case far too often as it is. :) Don't you just hate it when you have a brilliant idea and the hardware just won't cooperate the way it is supposed to? ;) It sure does seem that it is a timing issue and that macro execution proceeds without heeding the completion status of preceding commands. For now I will have to train myself that some buttons just need to be hit 2x to get what I want. Regards Sean KB2CKN From craig at thephotoman.com Thu Dec 8 13:34:33 2016 From: craig at thephotoman.com (Craig Smith) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 10:34:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3 - 100F Loaded Message-ID: <5849A7B9.4090706@thephotoman.com> This is a very clean K3 - 100F 100 watt transceiver (S/N 45XX). I am the original owner, non-smoker. Features: Filters FM 13Khz, AM, 6 Khz, 2.8 Khz, 500 Hz, 400 Hz K144 2 meter module (totally gone through at Elecraft) KSYN3A synthesizer upgrade. All updates to current specifications with a Elecraft Service Report. PR6/10 Preamp CNC73 VFO A and VFO B knobs included Will ship CONUS insured. $2,095. Please leave your phone number for me to contact you - Craig W6WL From gerry at w1ve.com Thu Dec 8 13:49:01 2016 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 13:49:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 as Controller for RemoteRig for K3? Message-ID: I have a potential op for VY1AAA who would like to use a KX3 as a controller for RemoteRig. The last mention of this I can find on the web is below. Has their been any other work on this? Has the fast protocol been implemented, or is it beyond the capability of the KX3? 73, Gerry, W1VE Trustee, VY1AAA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Wayne Burdick Reply-To: KX3 at yahoogroups.com To: Gary Slagel CC: Elecraft Reflector , KX3 at yahoogroups.com Gary wrote: > I'm wondering if it would be easy to set up a kx3 to k3 remote > option as it seems the kx3 architecture is pretty similar to the k3. Hi Gary, The front panels of the KX3 and K3 are quite different, so there can't really be a 1-to-1 correspondence of KX3 controls mapping to K3 controls. That said, the KX3 does have the ability to do very limited remote control of another KX3, K3, or even a K2. This feature is presently experimental and incomplete, but feel free to give it a try. (All public releases of KX3 firmware have included this feature...we just haven't said much about it yet.) NOTE: The KX3 *does not* implement the ultrafast rig-control protocol that is present in the K3 and K3/0. Instead, we created a moderately fast version of the traditional "autoinfo" mechanism (AI). What this means is that if you want the best remote-control performance, you should control a remote K3 with another K3 or a K3/0, not a KX3. Using the KX3 as a Controller: First, you'll need to connect the two rigs together somehow. The simplest method, and the one recommended for trying the remote-control feature, is to use a "null-modem" cable. For example if you're using two KX3s, connect their ACC1 jacks together using a 3-conductor cable that has the tip and ring connections cross-wired. If the remote rig is a K3 or K2, you can make a cable with a DE9 at that end and a 3.5 mm plug at the KX3 end, again cross-wiring the RXD and TXD signals. You could also use the internet or even wiFi, with PCs or RemoteRig boxes as intermediaries, and we'll have an app note on that at some point. Next, go into the menu at the KX3 intended to be used as the controller and set AUTOINF to RIG CTRL. This puts the KX3 into a benign, no-transmit, no-RX-audio state, and causes most control changes to be sent to the remote radio. If the remote rig is a K3, its sub receiver is turned OFF by the KX3, since a KX3 front panel has no way to control the sub receiver yet. IMPORTANT: As with RemoteRig installations, audio in/out and CW keying are handled separately--not through the controller. That is, you can't use the local KX3's mic, phones, or key jacks; you have to either wire the corresponding devices to the remote rig directly, or provide dedicated media channels for these. The RemoteRig boxes do this. You connect the mic, key, and headphones directly to them, not to the controlling KX3 (or K3, or K3/0). At the remote end, these signals are then connected to the appropriate connectors on the K3 (etc.). In a future release we might be able to send CW from the controlling KX3 by embedding the characters in command packets, as well as allow the use of the MSG play buttons. At present the KX3 can control the following functions on a remote radio: VFO A VFO B Mode AF gain Filter BW (PBT on the KX3, WIDTH on the K3) RIT offset RIT clear We hope to greatly expand this set of functions in the future. But again, if want full control of a remote K3, you'll need another K3 or a K3/0. 73, Wayne N6KR ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From phystad at mac.com Thu Dec 8 15:38:19 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 12:38:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power limit? Message-ID: <3C1CC093-7EF1-45E7-AE37-54CF2401AABC@mac.com> I am confused. Is the new 15 watt limit on output power a feature of new KX3 only or is it a software upgrade so that all KX3 rigs can be updated to 15 watts? From eric at elecraft.com Thu Dec 8 15:39:34 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 12:39:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft HQ phones are back up Message-ID: <9843b38a-690f-e4ef-5af1-bcef9d3ea6f2@elecraft.com> As of 12:25 PM PDT (CA time) our phones are back on line. Early this morning there was an area wide power failure that caused problems both with our company phone connection and internet service. We apologize for the missed calls! 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Dec 8 15:43:24 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 12:43:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power limit? In-Reply-To: <3C1CC093-7EF1-45E7-AE37-54CF2401AABC@mac.com> References: <3C1CC093-7EF1-45E7-AE37-54CF2401AABC@mac.com> Message-ID: The limit was raised to 15 W with firmware revision 2.38. POWER OUT NOW 15 WATTS MAX, 80-20 M: On 80-20 meters, the PWR control can now be set as high as 15 W (max is still 12 W on other bands). Supply voltage must be over 12.8 V on key-down as indicated by the KX3?s voltage display (tap DISP, rotate VFO B). Note: The KX3 will automatically reduce power as required if current, SWR, or temperature is excessive, or if supply voltage is too low. If a band other than 80-20 m is selected, power output will be cut back to 12 W max. It must then be manually set above 12 W after switching to 80-20 m. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 8, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > I am confused. Is the new 15 watt limit on output power a feature of new KX3 only or is it a software upgrade so that all KX3 rigs can be updated to 15 watts? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From phystad at mac.com Thu Dec 8 16:54:51 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 13:54:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power limit? In-Reply-To: References: <3C1CC093-7EF1-45E7-AE37-54CF2401AABC@mac.com> Message-ID: <6EE24172-D6CD-4E9C-9781-65BA7E99F906@mac.com> Thanks ? now to see if I have that upgrade. Or, I will just take the time to upgrade everything. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Dec 8, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > > The limit was raised to 15 W with firmware revision 2.38. > > POWER OUT NOW 15 WATTS MAX, 80-20 M: On 80-20 meters, the PWR control can now be set as high as 15 W (max is still 12 W on other bands). Supply voltage must be over 12.8 V on key-down as indicated by the KX3?s voltage display (tap DISP, rotate VFO B). Note: The KX3 will automatically reduce power as required if current, SWR, or temperature is excessive, or if supply voltage is too low. If a band other than 80-20 m is selected, power output will be cut back to 12 W max. It must then be manually set above 12 W after switching to 80-20 m. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Dec 8, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Phil Hystad > wrote: >> >> I am confused. Is the new 15 watt limit on output power a feature of new KX3 only or is it a software upgrade so that all KX3 rigs can be updated to 15 watts? >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > From edauer at law.du.edu Thu Dec 8 18:43:35 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 23:43:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Keyboard and P3/SCGA Message-ID: Need help figuring out what may be an elementary problem with a computer and the P3/SVGA. Here's my objective: I would like to use a single wireless keyboard / mouse both to operate the text functions on the P3/SVGA, and to enter data into the computer itself. While operating I like to switch my monitor back and forth between the P3 and the Internet. That's easy enough, with a DB15 switch box. But I can't get the keyboard to mate simultaneously with two of the USB receivers (or whatever those little things are called) - one in the USB port of the P3, and the other in a USB port of the computer itself. I am using a new Logitech keyboard and mouse, each of which came with a USB receiver. Logitech has an app that allows up to six devices to communicate with a single receiver - e.g., keyboard, mouse, and whatever else through one receiver into the computer. But when I mate the keyboard to the receiver plugged into the P3, it no longer communicates with the receiver in the computer, and vice versa. In other words, I can mate multiple interface devices with one receiver, but I can't mate two receivers with one device. That makes good sense. If it were otherwise, it would likely cause no end of chaos in a multiple-computer environment. But it leaves me with the question - is there a way to use one keyboard switched on the fly with the P3/SVGA and the computer itself? Ted, KN1CBR From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 21:31:35 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 21:31:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Keyboard and P3/SCGA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ed, You can only mate a device with one receiver, as you suspected. That is so that you can have two keyboards, mice in the same area, and have them unambiguously belong to two different PC's. Being able to do otherwise would kill that very common commercial usage, like close-by desks. That ain't gonna change. You can do that with USB mouse and USB keyboard with a USB KVM. Such as from Best Buy, and many others, like http://www.bestbuy.com/site/iogear-2-port-usb-kvm-switch-black/9694463.p?skuId=9694463&ref=212&loc=1&ksid=1b84b446-8c57-41a4-bb50-9d45338175e8&ksprof_id=8&ksaffcode=pg199014&ksdevice=c&lsft=ref:212,loc:2 Or you could try putting one wireless receiver in the USB KVM's common USB port and running a USB cord to both the P3 and PC. 73, Guy K2AV On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Need help figuring out what may be an elementary problem with a computer > and the P3/SVGA. > Here's my objective: I would like to use a single wireless keyboard / > mouse both to operate the text functions on the P3/SVGA, and to enter data > into the computer itself. While operating I like to switch my monitor back > and forth between the P3 and the Internet. That's easy enough, with a DB15 > switch box. But I can't get the keyboard to mate simultaneously with two > of the USB receivers (or whatever those little things are called) - one in > the USB port of the P3, and the other in a USB port of the computer itself. > I am using a new Logitech keyboard and mouse, each of which came with a > USB receiver. Logitech has an app that allows up to six devices to > communicate with a single receiver - e.g., keyboard, mouse, and whatever > else through one receiver into the computer. But when I mate the keyboard > to the receiver plugged into the P3, it no longer communicates with the > receiver in the computer, and vice versa. In other words, I can mate > multiple interface devices with one receiver, but I can't mate two > receivers with one device. > That makes good sense. If it were otherwise, it would likely cause no end > of chaos in a multiple-computer environment. But it leaves me with the > question - is there a way to use one keyboard switched on the fly with the > P3/SVGA and the computer itself? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From n4lg at qx.net Thu Dec 8 21:41:15 2016 From: n4lg at qx.net (Bill Cotter) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 21:41:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: New-in-Box PR6 $65 shipped In-Reply-To: <20161208152303.DDF48149AE19@mailman.qth.net> References: <20161208152303.DDF48149AE19@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: Price revised to Black Friday level, hi! I have for sale a new-in-box (unused) PR6 6M preamp for the K3. I converted the transceiver over to the PR6/10/12 and this item is surplus to my needs. The PR6 E850347 6M preamp comes with two 31-218-RFX male-to-male BNC adapters, and the E85034B power cable assembly. $65 shipped CONUS 73 Bill N4LG From wb6rse1 at mac.com Thu Dec 8 21:43:14 2016 From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 18:43:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Keyboard and P3/SCGA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B3AD9A7-A73F-4493-BB02-7F5EA6AB53D0@mac.com> Actually you can have one bluetooth keyboard mate with 4 different devices at the touch of a button. Matias Wireless Aluminum Keyboard GL - Steve WB6RSE On Dec 8, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: You can only mate a device with one receiver, as you suspected. That is so that you can have two keyboards, mice in the same area, and have them unambiguously belong to two different PC's. Being able to do otherwise would kill that very common commercial usage, like close-by desks. That ain't gonna change. From jtklotz77 at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 22:36:49 2016 From: jtklotz77 at gmail.com (Jeremy Klotz) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 22:36:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Filter Board Issue Message-ID: Hello, I recently finished the receiver portion of my K1 (40m/20m). I successfully aligned the 20m filters, but on 40m there is very little noise, and the noise does not change when there is an antenna connected. However, I have received some very nice signals on 20m. I have inspected the filter board joints and checked the relays to verify they are in the correct position. From the troubleshooting, it appears the only option left is to check the crystals, but I do not have an oscillator handy. I am now wondering how to verify the 40m crystal is working properly since I only have a digital multimeter. I was thinking an RF probe would be helpful for this, and I could definitely build that. I appreciate any help. Sincerely, Jeremy Klotz KD9BPB From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 8 22:41:27 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 22:41:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: <201612080215.uB82FLcX022911@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201612080215.uB82FLcX022911@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <5c249f5b-6aad-57d2-23db-a27a12dce6a7@embarqmail.com> Ed, I am also on DSL and have wired Ethernet throughout the house. Due to the long run to my house and the length of phone line in the house (entry to security system then back to the DSL modem - over 100 feet) the DSL/phone splitters did not work well, so the phone company installed a splitter at their outside box and brought a dedicate DSL line to the location of the modem. That solved a LOT of problems. So yes, a short line to the DSL modem is important. The other situation I have is that the drop to my house from the nearest relay box is about 4000 feet. It does not seem to have much effect on the DSL, but does sometimes my HDTV performance (which is provided by the same phone company). So a short cable to the DSL modem is important - it matters little what you have on the modem output. I do have an access point to provide wireless for laptops and smartphones and tablets, but the output of the modem, routers, switches is not really important IMHO, but the input to a DSL modem is important to consider. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/7/2016 9:15 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Ron, > > Usually my rule, too. > > I was astonished to find that huge bundled cord, but this is in my > wife's hobby room which is her domain. We had changed location of the > DSL modem and router along the way and I suppose that was an expedient > to keep the system connected. Janet is predisposed to rearranging > furniture a couple times per year in her area (ham shack is hands-off > territory; I even give her clearance when she can vacuum floors). > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 8 22:57:06 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 22:57:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Filter Board Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64cef7e5-b094-87bd-404f-8db7c0a732b9@embarqmail.com> Jeremy, Yes, an RF probe would be useful to evaluate the health of the crystal for 40 meters. Since those crystals are reliable, I suspect that you have a problem with the Pre-Mixer Bandpass Filter. You need to have at least 200mV peak to peak signal (70 mV measured with an RF Probe) to provide a good signal level to the mixers. I am on vacation right now, so I do not have the schematics available right now to give you specific probe points, I can give them Monday if you have trouble locating them. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/8/2016 10:36 PM, Jeremy Klotz wrote: > Hello, > > I recently finished the receiver portion of my K1 (40m/20m). I successfully aligned the 20 From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Dec 9 02:37:16 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 22:37:16 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet Message-ID: <201612090737.uB97bHUe008567@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Jim, OK that is reassuring. I will probably run it via cat5e cable and install my own RJ45 connectors so it can be custom length (and probably cheaper). My guess it will be better on crosstalk than commercially made ethernet cables. Answer to those who question my adversion to wireless: My guess you do not do ham radio on the same frequency band as wi-fi runs. I do and its seems crazy to intentionally broadcast RFI on my ham band. I operate up to 10-GHz. Regarding lightning strikes, we do not even hear thunder more often then once every four to five years. Earthquakes and volcano eruptions are more frequent. 73, Ed - KL7UW From: James Pandzik To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet Message-ID: <5848D646.3060006 at pandzik.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed No problem with a 50 foot run. Theoretic limit is over 300 feet, but signals get wobbly at about 275 feet. Jim Pandzik - KE9PK and CCNA, A+, Network+, etc. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From va3mw at portcredit.net Fri Dec 9 06:51:53 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 06:51:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: <201612090737.uB97bHUe008567@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201612090737.uB97bHUe008567@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: Professionally, we have move client boxes off wireless unless required. In some large residential installations, we have stopped (or limited) deploying 2.4Ghz and focussing on 5Ghz wifi. The reliability factor went through the roof in a good way. Most devices available today are dual band. Essentially, get off 2.4Ghz wifi and making sure you are only using 5Ghz. And, without getting into details it has absolutely nothing to do with signal strength. We have also deployed a lot of Powerline devices to extend coverage where there is no CAT5. I have had great success with the TP-Link devices (both for PowerLine and Wifi). My partner and I have done months of work improving home and commercial internet coverage as in just about every address we get into, they are about 20% efficient, mostly less. If you want to test your house performance, take a laptop and plug right into the modem with a cable (no wifi). Get an idea of the performance. If the rest of your house network doesn't perform as well, then you have a problem. Mike va3mw On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 2:37 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Jim, > > OK that is reassuring. I will probably run it via cat5e cable and install > my own RJ45 connectors so it can be custom length (and probably cheaper). > My guess it will be better on crosstalk than commercially made ethernet > cables. > > Answer to those who question my adversion to wireless: My guess you do > not do ham radio on the same frequency band as wi-fi runs. I do and its > seems crazy to intentionally broadcast RFI on my ham band. I operate up > to 10-GHz. > > Regarding lightning strikes, we do not even hear thunder more often then > once every four to five years. Earthquakes and volcano eruptions are more > frequent. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > > > From: James Pandzik > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet > Message-ID: <5848D646.3060006 at pandzik.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > No problem with a 50 foot run. Theoretic limit is over 300 feet, but > signals get wobbly at about 275 feet. > Jim Pandzik - KE9PK > and CCNA, A+, Network+, etc. > > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > Dubus-NA Business mail: > dubususa at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From charlestropp at yahoo.com Fri Dec 9 07:05:44 2016 From: charlestropp at yahoo.com (Charles R.Tropp) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 12:05:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Keyboard and P3/SCGA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1313720728.1456833.1481285144892@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Ted, Not all keyboards will work on the P3/SVGA. I would find out first if your proposed keyboard will work by seeing if the K appears on the bottom right of your screen when you have the data mode switched on. Even if it does, there is no guarantee that once you insert a switching mechanism in line ?that it will continue to work. Apparently, the USB port on the P3 does not come with standard USB software which is why only "dumb" keyboards can work.?73, Charles N2SO Treasurer, Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc.?http://QCWA.org On Thursday, December 8, 2016 6:47 PM, "Dauer, Edward" wrote: Need help figuring out what may be an elementary problem with a computer and the P3/SVGA. Here's my objective:? I would like to use a single wireless keyboard? / mouse both to operate the text functions on the P3/SVGA, and to enter data into the computer itself.? While operating I like to switch my monitor back and forth between the P3 and the Internet.? That's easy enough, with a DB15 switch box.? But I can't get the keyboard to mate simultaneously with two of the USB receivers (or whatever those little things are called) - one in the USB port of the P3, and the other in a USB port of the computer itself. I am using a new Logitech keyboard and mouse, each of which came with a USB receiver.? Logitech has an app that allows up to six devices to communicate with a single receiver - e.g., keyboard, mouse, and whatever else through one receiver into the computer.? But when I mate the keyboard to the receiver plugged into the P3, it no longer communicates with the receiver in the computer, and vice versa.? In other words, I can mate multiple interface devices with one receiver, but I can't mate two receivers with one device. That makes good sense.? If it were otherwise, it would likely cause no end of chaos in a multiple-computer environment.? But it leaves me with the question - is there a way to use one keyboard switched on the fly with the P3/SVGA and the computer itself? Ted, KN1CBR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to charlestropp at yahoo.com From jim at pandzik.com Fri Dec 9 09:15:59 2016 From: jim at pandzik.com (Jim Pandzik) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 08:15:59 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: <201612090737.uB97bHUe008567@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201612090737.uB97bHUe008567@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <67e989a3-0272-aae6-70f3-8d1b79774eae@pandzik.com> If you are running CAT5 data cable you should be okay. It allows 1/2 inch of untwisted wires at connectors, jacks, etc. with no crosstalk. When I got my ETA CAT5/6 Installer certification, my instructor advised buying ready-made custom lengths of CAT6, as the 1/4 inch untwisted tolerance is really really hard to maintain. Also, remember to stay away from fluorescent tubes by at least a foot (or cross at right angles if you must), and avoid motors by at least 18 inches. Also... have fun. There's nothing more satisfying than wiring up your own network, firing it up, and having it WORK! 73, Jim - KE9PK On 12/9/2016 1:37 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Jim, > > OK that is reassuring. I will probably run it via cat5e cable and > install my own RJ45 connectors so it can be custom length (and > probably cheaper). My guess it will be better on crosstalk than > commercially made ethernet cables. > > Answer to those who question my adversion to wireless: My guess you > do not do ham radio on the same frequency band as wi-fi runs. I do and > its seems crazy to intentionally broadcast RFI on my ham band. I > operate up to 10-GHz. > > Regarding lightning strikes, we do not even hear thunder more often > then once every four to five years. Earthquakes and volcano eruptions > are more frequent. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > > > From: James Pandzik > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet > Message-ID: <5848D646.3060006 at pandzik.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > No problem with a 50 foot run. Theoretic limit is over 300 feet, but > signals get wobbly at about 275 feet. > Jim Pandzik - KE9PK > and CCNA, A+, Network+, etc. > > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > Dubus-NA Business mail: > dubususa at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at pandzik.com From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Dec 9 11:50:32 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 16:50:32 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Keyboard and P3/SVGA Message-ID: Thanks to Charles N2SO, Steve WB6RSE, Bill NR4C, Guy K2AV, and others in off-line conversation for helpful responses to my question about having a single keyboard communicate more or less simultaneously with both a PC and the P3/SVGA. Bottom line is, it might not be possible. One suggestion was the Matias keyboard, which has internal switching for up to four devices. I wrote to Matias to ask if that would work with the Logitech receivers that the P3/SVGA seems to work well with, and the answer was no. Logitech receivers, the Matias rep said, are 2.4 Ghz dongles, not Bluetooth. The Matias keyboard uses Bluetooth. Without hanging some sort of additional device in the system ? which then might not work with the P3 ? that keyboard won?t do it. Another suggestion was an in-line USB switch. In some ways that defeats the purpose of having a simple, no-real-estate-used on the desk, solution. More important, several people wondered if the switch itself would be a problem for the P3, either directly or by way of reconnecting when switched over and back. The P3/SVGA, one pointed out, is not a computer. Also, using a switch with a wire to one device and a wireless to the other might work but undoes the advantage of a wireless keyboard. Anyone with a full K3 system knows there are wires and cables enough as it is, thank you. So that leaves me with the question ? how do those who operate using both a PC accessing the Internet and its own on-board programs such as logging, and accessing the macros and recorded texts in the P3/SVGA, do it? Two keyboards and a desk bigger than mine? Ted, KN1CBR From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Dec 9 13:17:06 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 10:17:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: <201612090737.uB97bHUe008567@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201612090737.uB97bHUe008567@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <78af1971-d996-6fbb-248b-202384753cd1@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,12/8/2016 11:37 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Jim, > > OK that is reassuring. I will probably run it via cat5e cable and > install my own RJ45 connectors so it can be custom length (and > probably cheaper). My guess it will be better on crosstalk than > commercially made ethernet cables. CAT5 and other structured cables are great for this purpose BECAUSE they consist of four high quality twisted pairs. To minimize crosstalk between those pairs, each pair is twisted at a different rate (turns per inch). When using these cables to carry signals, it is absolutely critical that we use one of these pairs to carry our signal (and multiple pairs to carry multiple signals). > Answer to those who question my adversion to wireless: My guess you > do not do ham radio on the same frequency band as wi-fi runs. I do and > its seems crazy to intentionally broadcast RFI on my ham band. I > operate up to 10-GHz. In any given system, WiFi transmits on only one of many standard carrier frequencies, and it doesn't run much power. I don't work 2.4 GHz, but I'll bet that like other ham bands, our use for CW, SSB, and other DXing modes is limited to a narrow range of the band, just as it is on 440 MHz. I wouldn't give up on that system simply because it's in the same band unless the WiFi gear is dirty. Have you observed that it is? If so, that is, indeed, a good reason to avoid it. 73, Jim K9YC From k9yeq at live.com Fri Dec 9 13:24:09 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 18:24:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-100 F with tuner and PR6 for sale Message-ID: Newly acquired K3s and am selling my factory updated K3-100F which includes the which includes the tuner, new gold plated front panel and other connectors which are factory installed. The K3 is still at Elecraft for the updates and will be available shortly for sale. Please let me know off list of your interest. If nothing heard will put up for auction on eBay. 73, Bill K9YEQ From widelitz at gte.net Fri Dec 9 14:57:09 2016 From: widelitz at gte.net (Ken Widelitz) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 11:57:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Computer Keyboard and P3/SVGA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001701d25256$6d738cc0$485aa640$@gte.net> Hi Ted, I use a Genovation CP48 ControlPad for P3/K3 macros along with a "Plugable" USB switch so the Genovation can be switched between my SO2R K3s. No problem with quickly moving between the two. It does take up some desktop real estate. A Genovation CP24 would take less. 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT From dhorn1 at san.rr.com Fri Dec 9 00:10:04 2016 From: dhorn1 at san.rr.com (Dale) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 00:10:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] F/S: K3/100-F Message-ID: <603E94DB42E946888283B6B70BECACF5@FastputLaptop> Very clean K3-100F 100 watt transceiver is available with very few hours from a non-smoker original owner. K-3/100-F K3 100 watt Transceiver ? Factory Assembled KAT3-F K3 ATU factory installed KBPF3A-F K3 General Coverage RX Module KDVR3 K3 Digital Voice Recorder KFL3A-500 K3 500 Hz, 5 Pole Filter KFL3A-6K-IR K3 6 kHZ, 8 Pole Filter KTCX03-1 K3 TCXO 1PPM f/w correction to 0.5 ppm KUSB Universal Serial us Adapter KXV3A RX Ant., IF Out and Xverter interface S/N 3428 Very Clean Original Manual plus The Elecraft K3 Second Edition, spiral bound manual by Fred Cady ? KE7X is included. The K3 will be shipped in it?s original box. Reason for sale: need to raise additional funds to purchase a K3S. I would prefer payment via Pay Pal. Price is $2195. shipped and insured within the Continental US. Please contact me directly via email at: dhorn1 at san.rr.com 73, Dale K8ETI From cyaffey at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 16:11:31 2016 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 16:11:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA problem on 6M Message-ID: <57048950-95FC-4C43-BD4A-ED089CCE1651@gmail.com> Jack, I finally have some good data on my problem whereby I can?t get full output from the KPA500 on 6M. As you might remember, as I raise the drive and get beyond about 200 watts out, I get a HI SWR fault. I?m sure now that it?s a K3S problem. Someone on the Elecraft list suggested that the K3S might be generating a spurious frequency that would confuse the KPA. To test this, I brought over an ICOM IC-706MKIIG and hooked it to the KPA. No problem at all getting full power out! Additionally, the KAT500 tunes the beam to 1:1 with the ICOM driving the KPA. With the K3S connected, the KAT500 tunes to about 1:8:1. The KAT500 should not operate any differently with different driving rigs. I?ve tried different jumpers between the K3S and the KPA with no difference. Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com http://www.bluesswing.com From cyaffey at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 16:11:31 2016 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 16:11:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Additional info: KPA problem on 6M Message-ID: <57048950-95FC-4C43-BD4A-ED089CCE1651@gmail.com> Additional info: On 6M only, tapping the key in CW mode, I get a quick indication of 3:1 on the KAT500 about 1 out of 4 taps. > Jack, I finally have some good data on my problem whereby I can?t get full output from the KPA500 on 6M. > As you might remember, as I raise the drive and get beyond about 200 watts out, I get a HI SWR fault. > I?m sure now that it?s a K3S problem. Someone on the Elecraft list suggested that the K3S might be generating a spurious frequency that would confuse the KPA. To test this, I brought over an ICOM IC-706MKIIG and hooked it to the KPA. No problem at all getting full power out! > Additionally, the KAT500 tunes the beam to 1:1 with the ICOM driving the KPA. > With the K3S connected, the KAT500 tunes to about 1:8:1. > The KAT500 should not operate any differently with different driving rigs. > I?ve tried different jumpers between the K3S and the KPA with no difference. Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com http://www.bluesswing.com From ron at cobi.biz Fri Dec 9 17:16:12 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 14:16:12 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: References: <201612090737.uB97bHUe008567@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <000301d25269$da612910$8f237b30$@biz> With so many areas getting faster internet service, it's common to find old wireless routers that don't keep up. That's not a problem if one understands what is happening. Here, my workstation is direct wired to the router, but we run wireless to connect to portable devices in the house. I just peeked at the download rates and see that I have 66 mb/s at the direct-wired machine but 25 mb/s on my iPhone even though nothing else is using part of the bandwidth. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- If you want to test your house performance, take a laptop and plug right into the modem with a cable (no wifi). Get an idea of the performance. If the rest of your house network doesn't perform as well, then you have a problem. Mike va3mw From wa6nhc at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 18:46:38 2016 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 15:46:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: <000301d25269$da612910$8f237b30$@biz> References: <201612090737.uB97bHUe008567@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> <000301d25269$da612910$8f237b30$@biz> Message-ID: <584B425E.6030300@gmail.com> Currently blessed with reasonable internet speeds running between 80-110 MBps download (even across wifi), I have a mix of wired and wireless via a dual band 4 port router (and a couple hubs). I've found that it helps to put the 'critical' devices (iOS, Android, laptops) on the 5 GHz band and the rest on the 2.4 GHz band (including a repeater so I don't have to run 100' of wiring around the house). The wider channels on 5 GHz are faster and with fewer devices there, they flow nicely. The other (more than 20 but not all active at once) devices can slug it out on 2.4 but none seem to complain, even video streaming plays well. Merry Christmas, Rick wa6nhc On 12/9/2016 2:16 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > With so many areas getting faster internet service, it's common to find old > wireless routers that don't keep up. That's not a problem if one understands > what is happening. > > Here, my workstation is direct wired to the router, but we run wireless to > connect to portable devices in the house. I just peeked at the download > rates and see that I have 66 mb/s at the direct-wired machine but 25 mb/s on > my iPhone even though nothing else is using part of the bandwidth. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > > > If you want to test your house performance, take a laptop and plug right > into the modem with a cable (no wifi). Get an idea of the performance. > > If the rest of your house network doesn't perform as well, then you have a > problem. > > Mike va3mw > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6nhc at gmail.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 01:02:48 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 08:02:48 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: <000301d25269$da612910$8f237b30$@biz> References: <201612090737.uB97bHUe008567@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> <000301d25269$da612910$8f237b30$@biz> Message-ID: <307E1E83-C3B1-4A06-9593-1A71DE0DBF9E@gmail.com> One problem with wifi that is sometimes hidden is QRM from other wifi users on the same channel. I live in a big apartment building and when I look at the display of a "wifi analyzer" app on my phone, the 2.4 gHz band looks like 20 meters during the CQWW contest. 5 Gig is better because fewer people seem to be using it and the signals are attenuated more by walls, etc. Vic 4X6GP > On 10 Dec 2016, at 00:16, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > With so many areas getting faster internet service, it's common to find old > wireless routers that don't keep up. That's not a problem if one understands > what is happening. > > Here, my workstation is direct wired to the router, but we run wireless to > connect to portable devices in the house. I just peeked at the download > rates and see that I have 66 mb/s at the direct-wired machine but 25 mb/s on > my iPhone even though nothing else is using part of the bandwidth. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > > > If you want to test your house performance, take a laptop and plug right > into the modem with a cable (no wifi). Get an idea of the performance. > > If the rest of your house network doesn't perform as well, then you have a > problem. > > Mike va3mw > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From rpfjeld at outlook.com Sat Dec 10 02:21:19 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 07:21:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: <307E1E83-C3B1-4A06-9593-1A71DE0DBF9E@gmail.com> References: <201612090737.uB97bHUe008567@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> <000301d25269$da612910$8f237b30$@biz> <307E1E83-C3B1-4A06-9593-1A71DE0DBF9E@gmail.com> Message-ID: FWIW, I had an interesting, but frustrating, experience just recently. My internet would get so slow that we would need to quit streaming during part of a movie, etc. At times, it would speed test at 0.02 Mbits. Another odd thing was, using an Ethernet cable was slower than Wifi at times. I was power cycling often. I'll keep this short. I purchased DSL modems and routers of a respected brand name. I checked settings several times. I have a former IT guy for a friend. I finally called my IP provider and they saw that it was slow. When he got here, he saw my 10 Mbit service at 3 megs. He changed the wiring and installed a splitter isolating my phones from my modem. Still slow, so he changed the modem and now have 10 megs. (I live rural) I was blown away. I still had trouble steaming video to my TV using an Octacore Android box. Did some testing and determined it had a fault using a cable. I turned off Ethernet and enabled wifi and all is beautiful. I can speed test thru the box at about 9+ Mbits. What should have been better was worse. Dick, n0ce On 12/10/2016 12:02 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: One problem with wifi that is sometimes hidden is QRM from other wifi users on the same channel. I live in a big apartment building and when I look at the display of a "wifi analyzer" app on my phone, the 2.4 gHz band looks like 20 meters during the CQWW contest. 5 Gig is better because fewer people seem to be using it and the signals are attenuated more by walls, etc. Vic 4X6GP From davidvk2nu at bigpond.com Sat Dec 10 06:00:17 2016 From: davidvk2nu at bigpond.com (David Douglass) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 22:00:17 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] Adjust ALC in Data A mode, with KX3 Message-ID: <1A08EC60-E1B6-4671-B908-3DF8C4E30D08@bigpond.com> Hi, I've just re-acquired a KX3, and have been trying it on JT65. As per recommendations I have been trying to use Data A mode, but trying to adjust the drive level is a nightmare, and getting the required 4-5 bars of ALC has been near impossible. If I switch to USB mode, I can set the drive levels without issue using the mic gain, and adjusting the sound are levels. I would have assumed that setting drive levels would be the same in USB mode as it was in Data A mode. Is this not the case or do I having something else going on. Apologies as I appreciate the subject of JT65 has been covered extensively in the past, but I can't figure out why I seem to be able to set things up in USB mode easily, but can't in Data A. Cheers David, vk2nu Sent from my iPad From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 10 10:03:47 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 10:03:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Adjust ALC in Data A mode, with KX3 In-Reply-To: <1A08EC60-E1B6-4671-B908-3DF8C4E30D08@bigpond.com> References: <1A08EC60-E1B6-4671-B908-3DF8C4E30D08@bigpond.com> Message-ID: <7ee2ce87-da5f-17a2-1929-3c2723107898@embarqmail.com> David, The most likely problem is that you have too much output from the sound card. Try putting a 10 dB attenuator in the cable between the soundcard and the KX3 MIC input - 100k in series with 10k from the KX3 end of that resistor to the shield should do nicely. The KX3 has an audio protection mechanism that kicks in if there is too much audio, and that makes the MIC level an unreasonable value. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/10/2016 6:00 AM, David Douglass wrote: > Hi, > > I've just re-acquired a KX3, and have been trying it on JT65. > > As per recommendations I have been trying to use Data A mode, but trying to adjust the drive level is a nightmare, and getting the required 4-5 bars of ALC has been near impossible. If I switch to USB mode, I can set the drive levels without issue using the mic gain, and adjusting the sound are levels. > > I would have assumed that setting drive levels would be the same in USB mode as it was in Data A mode. Is this not the case or do I having something else going on. > From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Dec 10 11:22:59 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 08:22:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: <307E1E83-C3B1-4A06-9593-1A71DE0DBF9E@gmail.com> References: <201612090737.uB97bHUe008567@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> <000301d25269$da612910$8f237b30$@biz> <307E1E83-C3B1-4A06-9593-1A71DE0DBF9E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ff3ff8a-0123-b502-4c6e-2f2d5e9dd207@foothill.net> I was able to make a very significant improvement in WiFi speed by selecting a channel instead of letting the AT&T Uverse router do it. Apparently, everyone around us is in "let the router do it" mode, and they are concentrated in the middle of the spectrum [3, 4, 5, 6, and 7]. Last time I checked, ours and our printer were the only devices on 11. Channel 1 is also almost clear. It's spread spectrum and the channels do overlap, but 10 is also nearly clear for us. 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 - www.cqp.org On 12/9/2016 10:02 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > One problem with wifi that is sometimes hidden is QRM from other wifi > users on the same channel. I live in a big apartment building and > when I look at the display of a "wifi analyzer" app on my phone, the > 2.4 gHz band looks like 20 meters during the CQWW contest. 5 Gig is > better because fewer people seem to be using it and the signals are > attenuated more by walls, etc. > > Vic 4X6GP From w6jhb at me.com Sat Dec 10 12:16:23 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:16:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Adjust ALC in Data A mode, with KX3 In-Reply-To: <7ee2ce87-da5f-17a2-1929-3c2723107898@embarqmail.com> References: <1A08EC60-E1B6-4671-B908-3DF8C4E30D08@bigpond.com> <7ee2ce87-da5f-17a2-1929-3c2723107898@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: David, I use my KX3 to run WSPR, JT65, and JT9, using DATA-A. It does take a bit of trial and error, but once you find the ?golden settings? between the KX3 and your sound card, things will be fine. I use a Tascam US-125M sound card; its output controls are set to about the 1:00 mark. With them like that, the KX3 gives me 4-5 bars of alc indication when set to about number 9. Keep trying and you?ll get it going! Jim / W6JHB > On Saturday, Dec 10, 2016, at Saturday, 7:03 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > David, > > The most likely problem is that you have too much output from the sound card. > > Try putting a 10 dB attenuator in the cable between the soundcard and the KX3 MIC input - 100k in series with 10k from the KX3 end of that resistor to the shield should do nicely. > > The KX3 has an audio protection mechanism that kicks in if there is too much audio, and that makes the MIC level an unreasonable value. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/10/2016 6:00 AM, David Douglass wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've just re-acquired a KX3, and have been trying it on JT65. >> >> As per recommendations I have been trying to use Data A mode, but trying to adjust the drive level is a nightmare, and getting the required 4-5 bars of ALC has been near impossible. If I switch to USB mode, I can set the drive levels without issue using the mic gain, and adjusting the sound are levels. >> >> I would have assumed that setting drive levels would be the same in USB mode as it was in Data A mode. Is this not the case or do I having something else going on. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From ve3wdm at hotmail.com Sat Dec 10 12:17:28 2016 From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (Mike Weir) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 17:17:28 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod question Message-ID: Good afternoon, I just connected the K-pod to my K3 for the first time after updating the firmware to the latest. I noticed that D4 is always on just wondering if this is normal? Mike VE3WDM From dl1sdz at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 12:37:29 2016 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 18:37:29 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [Kx3] [Kx2] Kind of diversity RX with a Kx3-master and a Kx2-slave Message-ID: Hello, instead of waiting for the next summer to use the Kx2 I went another way. I connected the Kx3 and the Kx2 with a Null-Modem cable (stereo cable with switched data lines) and put in the Kx3 menue the AUTOINF to RigCtrl. And it worked. The Kx2 follows the Kx3 with the frequency, mode and band. When I connected the Kx2 to the PC-Input of the Px3 I even got a waterfall. So I connected the rigs with different antennas and I see which works better while listening to a station. The only drawback is, that the tone on the Kx3 gets muted. But thats a minor point. I am happy! ?73 de ? Hajo ? dl1sdz? --- Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. http://hajos-kontrapunkte.blogspot.de/ From brendon at whateley.com Sat Dec 10 12:41:06 2016 From: brendon at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:41:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: <201612060752.uB67qTGd016995@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201612060752.uB67qTGd016995@mail46c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: Ed, It may be worth remembering that CAT5e cable is rated to handle signals of up to 100MHz. As you move from 10Mb to 100Mb to 1Gb ethernet and beyond, the demands on the cable increase. For 1000Base-T (1Gb) CAT5 is not recommended, you are better off with CAT5e. Beyond that, you need CAT6 or even better CAT6a. And if you look at the "instalation caviats", they will be familiar to anyone who has built coax cables... > Installation caveats > > Category 6 and 6A cable must be properly installed and terminated to meet > specifications. The cable must not be kinked or bent too tightly (the bend > radius should be at least four times the outer diameter of the cable). The > wire pairs must not be untwisted and the outer jacket must not be stripped > back more than 0.5 in (12.7 mm). > > Cable shielding may be required in order to improve a Cat 6 cable's > performance in high electromagnetic interference (EMI) environments. This > shielding reduces the corrupting effect of EMI on the cable's data. > Shielding is typically maintained from one cable end to the other using a > drain wire that runs through the cable alongside the twisted pairs. The > shield's electrical connection to the chassis on each end is made through > the jacks. The requirement for ground connections at both cable ends > creates the possibility that a ground loop may result if one of the > networked chassis is at different instantaneous electrical potential with > respect to its mate. This undesirable situation may compel currents to flow > between chassis through the network cable shield, and these currents may in > turn induce detrimental noise in the signal being carried by the cable. > It seems that any HAM running ethernet to the shack, especially if they have stray RF floating around, would have more luck with CAT6a which shields the twisted pairs. - Brendon KK6AYI On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 11:52 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > > I'm not a computer wonk; RF is my area of strength, so I figured the phone > and Internet was kinda like audio stuff. Guess not. My guess with the > cable folded into a bundle it had a lot of crosstalk or capacitive coupling > which acted like a short at 3.5 MBs. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > Dubus-NA Business mail: > dubususa at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brendon at whateley.com > From n7xy at n7xy.net Sat Dec 10 13:07:12 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 10:07:12 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: <5ff3ff8a-0123-b502-4c6e-2f2d5e9dd207@foothill.net> References: <201612090737.uB97bHUe008567@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> <000301d25269$da612910$8f237b30$@biz> <307E1E83-C3B1-4A06-9593-1A71DE0DBF9E@gmail.com> <5ff3ff8a-0123-b502-4c6e-2f2d5e9dd207@foothill.net> Message-ID: <1f1cd47d-6060-c3e3-25be-609f624c5b59@n7xy.net> Channels 1 through 8 are in a ham band so you could legally run much higher power than non-licensed devices are allowed. On 12/10/16 8:22 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > I was able to make a very significant improvement in WiFi speed by > selecting a channel instead of letting the AT&T Uverse router do it. > Apparently, everyone around us is in "let the router do it" mode, and > they are concentrated in the middle of the spectrum [3, 4, 5, 6, and > 7]. Last time I checked, ours and our printer were the only devices > on 11. Channel 1 is also almost clear. It's spread spectrum and the > channels do overlap, but 10 is also nearly clear for us. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Sparks NV DM09dn > > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 > - www.cqp.org > > On 12/9/2016 10:02 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: >> One problem with wifi that is sometimes hidden is QRM from other wifi >> users on the same channel. I live in a big apartment building and >> when I look at the display of a "wifi analyzer" app on my phone, the >> 2.4 gHz band looks like 20 meters during the CQWW contest. 5 Gig is >> better because fewer people seem to be using it and the signals are >> attenuated more by walls, etc. >> >> Vic 4X6GP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net > From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sat Dec 10 13:13:22 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 10:13:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: <1f1cd47d-6060-c3e3-25be-609f624c5b59@n7xy.net> References: <201612090737.uB97bHUe008567@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> <000301d25269$da612910$8f237b30$@biz> <307E1E83-C3B1-4A06-9593-1A71DE0DBF9E@gmail.com> <5ff3ff8a-0123-b502-4c6e-2f2d5e9dd207@foothill.net> <1f1cd47d-6060-c3e3-25be-609f624c5b59@n7xy.net> Message-ID: Of course, you can't do anything "commercial" while running higher power, like streaming video. If you're using a remote that you pay for, using your QRO WiFi to access it through the internet might be "commercial." On 12/10/2016 10:07 AM, Bob Nielsen wrote: > Channels 1 through 8 are in a ham band so you could legally run much > higher power than non-licensed devices are allowed. > From crustacean at brig-elec.com Sat Dec 10 15:06:16 2016 From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 15:06:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet In-Reply-To: References: <201612090737.uB97bHUe008567@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> <000301d25269$da612910$8f237b30$@biz> <307E1E83-C3B1-4A06-9593-1A71DE0DBF9E@gmail.com> <5ff3ff8a-0123-b502-4c6e-2f2d5e9dd207@foothill.net> <1f1cd47d-6060-c3e3-25be-609f624c5b59@n7xy.net> Message-ID: <1481400376.2960.1.camel@arabica> Don't forget that you will have to send your call sign every 10 minutes, and at the start and end of your QSO with your router. On Sat, 2016-12-10 at 10:13 -0800, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Of course, you can't do anything "commercial" while running higher > power, like streaming video. > > If you're using a remote that you pay for, using your QRO WiFi to access > it through the internet might be "commercial." > > On 12/10/2016 10:07 AM, Bob Nielsen wrote: > > Channels 1 through 8 are in a ham band so you could legally run much > > higher power than non-licensed devices are allowed. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com > From Nolan at KI5IO.com Sat Dec 10 15:21:36 2016 From: Nolan at KI5IO.com (Nolan Kienitz) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 13:21:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] No Digests ?? Message-ID: <1481401296617-7624583.post@n2.nabble.com> I've not received any Elecraft Digests since 12/02/16. I can't find any 'trapped' messages. Is something amiss? ----- 73 - Nolan Kienitz, KI5IO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/No-Digests-tp7624583.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pfizenmayer at q.com Sat Dec 10 20:30:23 2016 From: pfizenmayer at q.com (HankP) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 20:30:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 signal at 28004 In-Reply-To: <1f1cd47d-6060-c3e3-25be-609f624c5b59@n7xy.net> Message-ID: <786547547.4309805.1481419823850.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Ok I give up - I always have a strong signal about 28004 on my K3 and it was there this morning just like always and most all day - now its GONE and the rx seems like its still working normally -107 dBm on the P3 for the 1 uv in . TX ok too. Just no 28004 ??? What is the magic ?? Hank K7HP From nz8j at woh.rr.com Sat Dec 10 22:03:54 2016 From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (Tim Cook) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 22:03:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Accolades Message-ID: <000001d2535b$3522fb20$9f68f160$@woh.rr.com> I've experimented with many auto tuners over the years many different companies and always had issues of one type or another that led to them not being a satisfactory solution. I live on a small lot and my compromise antenna (for bands other that 10/15/20) is a 110 Ft long dipole fed with about 30 feet of 300 ohm line through a 1:1 W2FMI balun. The KAT500 is the first tuner that will tune (at least make my transceiver happy) on all bands. After "training" it on all bands and segments, it will "snap" into a tuned condition immediately upon hitting the key or talking on SSB. I used it in the recent ARRL 160 contest and it worked great. I bypassed the balun and tied the feed line together and operated it against ground. I never once had to touch the tuner, it just tuned as I moved up and down the band and called the stations. A bit of a cloud warmer for sure, but managed 240 qso's with the dipole up about 28 feet. I just wanted to let others who might be in the same situation as I am in know how well the tuner works. I use the KPA500 amp at about 300 watts or so and this setup works great. 73 Tim NZ8J From kevinr at coho.net Sun Dec 11 00:34:37 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 21:34:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <34ad4b47-4e3b-9b04-cc4b-8b363c3674b3@coho.net> Good Evening, Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From w6jhb at me.com Sun Dec 11 00:51:49 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 21:51:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 signal at 28004 In-Reply-To: <786547547.4309805.1481419823850.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <786547547.4309805.1481419823850.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: Hank - I had that same signal at 28.004 and it was caused by my KAT500, as I recall. Elecraft has a fix for that - simple mod to the KAT500, if I recall correctly. Do you have a KAT500 and have you possibly removed power from it? If so, that's probably where your signal has gone. Just a guess.... Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Dec 10, 2016, at 5:30 PM, HankP wrote: > > Ok I give up - I always have a strong signal about 28004 on my K3 and it was there this morning just like always and most all day - now its GONE and the rx seems like its still working normally -107 dBm on the P3 for the 1 uv in . TX ok too. Just no 28004 ??? What is the magic ?? Hank K7HP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 01:22:20 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 08:22:20 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Accolades In-Reply-To: <000001d2535b$3522fb20$9f68f160$@woh.rr.com> References: <000001d2535b$3522fb20$9f68f160$@woh.rr.com> Message-ID: <9D8795D8-D554-4D50-8BDE-31A3785590DA@gmail.com> I wish Elecraft made a 1.5 kW version! Vic 4X6GP > On 11 Dec 2016, at 05:03, Tim Cook wrote: > > I've experimented with many auto tuners over the years many different > companies and always had issues of one type or another that led to them not > being a satisfactory solution. I live on a small lot and my compromise > antenna (for bands other that 10/15/20) is a 110 Ft long dipole fed with > about 30 feet of 300 ohm line through a 1:1 W2FMI balun. The KAT500 is the > first tuner that will tune (at least make my transceiver happy) on all > bands. After "training" it on all bands and segments, it will "snap" into a > tuned condition immediately upon hitting the key or talking on SSB. I used > it in the recent ARRL 160 contest and it worked great. I bypassed the balun > and tied the feed line together and operated it against ground. I never once > had to touch the tuner, it just tuned as I moved up and down the band and > called the stations. A bit of a cloud warmer for sure, but managed 240 qso's > with the dipole up about 28 feet. > > > > I just wanted to let others who might be in the same situation as I am in > know how well the tuner works. I use the KPA500 amp at about 300 watts or so > and this setup works great. > > > > 73 > > Tim > > NZ8J > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Dec 11 03:25:03 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 23:25:03 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Fixing Slow Internet Message-ID: <201612110825.uBB8P6a9002743@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Thanks for all the suggestions; probably time to end this thread. It will be a year till I need to run the long cable from my router to the new hamshack. I'll measure the run and get a premade cat6 cable. Interesting to hear of the high speed Internet service many of you have. My DSL is 3.5Mbs and only increased from 1Mbs a year ago. 2.4 GHz is unusable due to wi-fi RFI. My cordless phone uses 5-GHz. I see interference on 2m thanks to my neighbors wi-fi. Many parts of AK have no Internet service or only dial-up and TV is via satellite feed to a TV translator. Many towns do not have public water or sewer; houses have no plumbing (half the town of Bethel -pop 4500 has no plumbing and human waste is collected in "honey buckets" which are picked up on a weekly schedule). Bethel is the largest town in SW AK with jet air service which is good because its not connected to the road system (400mi East). My home has natural gas heat, a well and septic system, and electric power and telephone service but TV is by satellite. There is no cable. But I live in the 25% of the state with a road system. Reality is a bit different up here. Only fiber-optic cable is in Anchorage or the larger cities like Fairbanks and Juneau and the trunk lines between cities and lower-48 (undersea cable). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Sun Dec 11 08:24:08 2016 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 10:24:08 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 In-Reply-To: <47257d29-8824-d12a-87fb-a04e0a5d3b4c@horizon.co.fk> References: <47257d29-8824-d12a-87fb-a04e0a5d3b4c@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 signal at 28004 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 10:23:38 -0300 From: Mike Harris To: James Bennett I have that signal on my K3 without any other Elecraft peripherals wrapped around it, internally it is pretty well stuffed with options. However, I have installed the K3s KIO3B and KXV3B and observe the following: With the antenna connected and using the 500Hz 5 pole CW filter if I tune off 1kHz and set the dBV metering to 0dBV+/- on the noise floor when re tuning to the signal I see 3dB+/- increase. Enabling PRE 1 and re zeroing the dBV reading on tune increases to +11dBV+/-. Enabling Pre 2 and re zeroing the dBV reading on tune the signal has vanished. Pre 1 and Pre 2 are not co located and it is possible that layout is determining what is being picked up internally. Maybe a K3s owner would like to report the presence or not of this signal. The K3s RF board has apparently been redesigned making it quieter. Cycling the preamps on an weak external signal coming in off the antenna, results in the expected changes in signal and noise, that is when Pre 2 is enabled the external signal doesn't vanish. This will need to be re visited using my XG3 on 1uV to eliminate QSB effects. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 11/12/2016 02:51, James Bennett wrote: > Hank - I had that same signal at 28.004 and it was caused by my KAT500, as I recall. Elecraft has a fix for that - simple mod to the KAT500, if I recall correctly. Do you have a KAT500 and have you possibly removed power from it? If so, that's probably where your signal has gone. Just a guess.... > > Jim Bennett / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > >> On Dec 10, 2016, at 5:30 PM, HankP wrote: >> >> Ok I give up - I always have a strong signal about 28004 on my K3 and it was there this morning just like always and most all day - now its GONE and the rx seems like its still working normally -107 dBm on the P3 for the 1 uv in . TX ok too. Just no 28004 ??? What is the magic ?? Hank K7HP From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 11 11:54:21 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 16:54:21 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 In-Reply-To: References: <47257d29-8824-d12a-87fb-a04e0a5d3b4c@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: <01a601d253cf$3b7191c0$b254b540$@sbcglobal.net> I have a K3S and the signal is at 28004.15. It is coming from the KAT500. The signal is there even when the KAT500 is turned off from the front panel. It vanishes when the KAT500 is disconnected from its power supply. I seem to remember a discussion about this before, but I never checked my KAT500 for the symptom. Jim, what was the mod? I assume it is something Elecraft supplies and we can install it ourselves? Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Harris Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 1:24 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 signal at 28004 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 10:23:38 -0300 From: Mike Harris To: James Bennett I have that signal on my K3 without any other Elecraft peripherals wrapped around it, internally it is pretty well stuffed with options. However, I have installed the K3s KIO3B and KXV3B and observe the following: With the antenna connected and using the 500Hz 5 pole CW filter if I tune off 1kHz and set the dBV metering to 0dBV+/- on the noise floor when re tuning to the signal I see 3dB+/- increase. Enabling PRE 1 and re zeroing the dBV reading on tune increases to +11dBV+/-. Enabling Pre 2 and re zeroing the dBV reading on tune the signal has vanished. Pre 1 and Pre 2 are not co located and it is possible that layout is determining what is being picked up internally. Maybe a K3s owner would like to report the presence or not of this signal. The K3s RF board has apparently been redesigned making it quieter. Cycling the preamps on an weak external signal coming in off the antenna, results in the expected changes in signal and noise, that is when Pre 2 is enabled the external signal doesn't vanish. This will need to be re visited using my XG3 on 1uV to eliminate QSB effects. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 11/12/2016 02:51, James Bennett wrote: > Hank - I had that same signal at 28.004 and it was caused by my KAT500, as I recall. Elecraft has a fix for that - simple mod to the KAT500, if I recall correctly. Do you have a KAT500 and have you possibly removed power from it? If so, that's probably where your signal has gone. Just a guess.... > > Jim Bennett / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > >> On Dec 10, 2016, at 5:30 PM, HankP wrote: >> >> Ok I give up - I always have a strong signal about 28004 on my K3 and >> it was there this morning just like always and most all day - now its >> GONE and the rx seems like its still working normally -107 dBm on the >> P3 for the 1 uv in . TX ok too. Just no 28004 ??? What is the magic >> ?? Hank K7HP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From rthorne at rthorne.net Sun Dec 11 12:12:06 2016 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:12:06 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 In-Reply-To: <01a601d253cf$3b7191c0$b254b540$@sbcglobal.net> References: <47257d29-8824-d12a-87fb-a04e0a5d3b4c@horizon.co.fk> <01a601d253cf$3b7191c0$b254b540$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <27d32b1f-18c5-4fa7-3235-980714fcfaca@rthorne.net> I hear the signal on 28.005 on a Flex 6700 with the KPA-500/KAT-500 combo. If I disconnect the power from the KAT-500 the signal goes away. So the issue does not appear to be rig specific. I'd like to know what the mod is as well. Rich - N5ZC On 12/11/2016 10:54 AM, Mark E. Musick wrote: > I have a K3S and the signal is at 28004.15. It is coming from the KAT500. > The signal is there even when the KAT500 is turned off from the front panel. > It vanishes when the KAT500 is disconnected from its power supply. > I seem to remember a discussion about this before, but I never checked my > KAT500 for the symptom. > Jim, what was the mod? I assume it is something Elecraft supplies and we can > install it ourselves? > > Mark, WB9CIF > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike > Harris > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 1:24 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 signal at 28004 > Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 10:23:38 -0300 > From: Mike Harris > To: James Bennett > > I have that signal on my K3 without any other Elecraft peripherals wrapped > around it, internally it is pretty well stuffed with options. > However, I have installed the K3s KIO3B and KXV3B and observe the following: > > With the antenna connected and using the 500Hz 5 pole CW filter if I tune > off 1kHz and set the dBV metering to 0dBV+/- on the noise floor when re > tuning to the signal I see 3dB+/- increase. > > Enabling PRE 1 and re zeroing the dBV reading on tune increases to > +11dBV+/-. > > Enabling Pre 2 and re zeroing the dBV reading on tune the signal has > vanished. > > Pre 1 and Pre 2 are not co located and it is possible that layout is > determining what is being picked up internally. > > Maybe a K3s owner would like to report the presence or not of this signal. > The K3s RF board has apparently been redesigned making it quieter. > > Cycling the preamps on an weak external signal coming in off the antenna, > results in the expected changes in signal and noise, that is when Pre 2 is > enabled the external signal doesn't vanish. > > This will need to be re visited using my XG3 on 1uV to eliminate QSB > effects. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > > On 11/12/2016 02:51, James Bennett wrote: >> Hank - I had that same signal at 28.004 and it was caused by my KAT500, as > I recall. Elecraft has a fix for that - simple mod to the KAT500, if I > recall correctly. Do you have a KAT500 and have you possibly removed power > from it? If so, that's probably where your signal has gone. Just a guess.... >> Jim Bennett / W6JHB >> Folsom, CA >> >>> On Dec 10, 2016, at 5:30 PM, HankP wrote: >>> >>> Ok I give up - I always have a strong signal about 28004 on my K3 and >>> it was there this morning just like always and most all day - now its >>> GONE and the rx seems like its still working normally -107 dBm on the >>> P3 for the 1 uv in . TX ok too. Just no 28004 ??? What is the magic >>> ?? Hank K7HP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net > From kenk3iu at cox.net Sun Dec 11 12:40:19 2016 From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken K3IU) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 12:40:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 In-Reply-To: References: <47257d29-8824-d12a-87fb-a04e0a5d3b4c@horizon.co.fk> <01a601d253cf$3b7191c0$b254b540$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <61d36794-547c-84e1-460e-266971829ca7@cox.net> I sent an email query to Gary Surrency this morning, but of course have not yet heard back from him yet. 73, Ken K3IU ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 12/11/2016 12:12 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: > ... > > I'd like to know what the mod is as well. > > Rich - N5ZC > From dick at elecraft.com Sun Dec 11 12:42:49 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 09:42:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 In-Reply-To: <27d32b1f-18c5-4fa7-3235-980714fcfaca@rthorne.net> References: <47257d29-8824-d12a-87fb-a04e0a5d3b4c@horizon.co.fk> <01a601d253cf$3b7191c0$b254b540$@sbcglobal.net> <27d32b1f-18c5-4fa7-3235-980714fcfaca@rthorne.net> Message-ID: There is a configuration setting you choose from the KAT500 Utility. Sleep when idle. Choosing Sleep when Idle puts the microcontroller to sleep, turning off its Xtal oscillator, when you are receiving and there are no serial port commands. The uC wakes up during transmit to monitor SWR, and when tuning or processing serial port commands. The setting is discussed in KAT500 Utility Help and the KAT500 programming reference. 73 de Dick, K6KR > On Dec 11, 2016, at 09:12, Richard Thorne wrote: > > I hear the signal on 28.005 on a Flex 6700 with the KPA-500/KAT-500 combo. If I disconnect the power from the KAT-500 the signal goes away. So the issue does not appear to be rig specific. > > I'd like to know what the mod is as well. > > Rich - N5ZC > >> On 12/11/2016 10:54 AM, Mark E. Musick wrote: >> I have a K3S and the signal is at 28004.15. It is coming from the KAT500. >> The signal is there even when the KAT500 is turned off from the front panel. >> It vanishes when the KAT500 is disconnected from its power supply. >> I seem to remember a discussion about this before, but I never checked my >> KAT500 for the symptom. >> Jim, what was the mod? I assume it is something Elecraft supplies and we can >> install it ourselves? >> >> Mark, WB9CIF >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike >> Harris >> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 1:24 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 >> >> >> >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 signal at 28004 >> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 10:23:38 -0300 >> From: Mike Harris >> To: James Bennett >> >> I have that signal on my K3 without any other Elecraft peripherals wrapped >> around it, internally it is pretty well stuffed with options. >> However, I have installed the K3s KIO3B and KXV3B and observe the following: >> >> With the antenna connected and using the 500Hz 5 pole CW filter if I tune >> off 1kHz and set the dBV metering to 0dBV+/- on the noise floor when re >> tuning to the signal I see 3dB+/- increase. >> >> Enabling PRE 1 and re zeroing the dBV reading on tune increases to >> +11dBV+/-. >> >> Enabling Pre 2 and re zeroing the dBV reading on tune the signal has >> vanished. >> >> Pre 1 and Pre 2 are not co located and it is possible that layout is >> determining what is being picked up internally. >> >> Maybe a K3s owner would like to report the presence or not of this signal. >> The K3s RF board has apparently been redesigned making it quieter. >> >> Cycling the preamps on an weak external signal coming in off the antenna, >> results in the expected changes in signal and noise, that is when Pre 2 is >> enabled the external signal doesn't vanish. >> >> This will need to be re visited using my XG3 on 1uV to eliminate QSB >> effects. >> >> Regards, >> >> Mike VP8NO >> >>> On 11/12/2016 02:51, James Bennett wrote: >>> Hank - I had that same signal at 28.004 and it was caused by my KAT500, as >> I recall. Elecraft has a fix for that - simple mod to the KAT500, if I >> recall correctly. Do you have a KAT500 and have you possibly removed power >> from it? If so, that's probably where your signal has gone. Just a guess.... >>> Jim Bennett / W6JHB >>> Folsom, CA >>> >>>> On Dec 10, 2016, at 5:30 PM, HankP wrote: >>>> >>>> Ok I give up - I always have a strong signal about 28004 on my K3 and >>>> it was there this morning just like always and most all day - now its >>>> GONE and the rx seems like its still working normally -107 dBm on the >>>> P3 for the 1 uv in . TX ok too. Just no 28004 ??? What is the magic >>>> ?? Hank K7HP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >> delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From nineback at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 12:44:35 2016 From: nineback at gmail.com (Tom) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:44:35 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 In-Reply-To: <61d36794-547c-84e1-460e-266971829ca7@cox.net> References: <47257d29-8824-d12a-87fb-a04e0a5d3b4c@horizon.co.fk> <01a601d253cf$3b7191c0$b254b540$@sbcglobal.net> <61d36794-547c-84e1-460e-266971829ca7@cox.net> Message-ID: From page 20 in KAT500 manual: 1. Idle Sleep In some installations a 28004.5 MHz signal may be heard from an oscillator in the KAT500. If this is an issue, you can cause the KAT500 oscillator to shut down when it is not needed. Click on Idle Sleep to put a check in the radio button. The oscillator will stop running shortly after the last key press or the last data communication with other equipment and restart automatically when needed. 2. 3. Tom, KQ5S On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Ken K3IU wrote: > I sent an email query to Gary Surrency this morning, but of course have > not yet heard back from him yet. > 73, Ken K3IU > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On 12/11/2016 12:12 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: > >> ... >> >> I'd like to know what the mod is as well. >> >> Rich - N5ZC >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nineback at gmail.com > From kenk3iu at cox.net Sun Dec 11 13:16:05 2016 From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken Wagner K3IU) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 13:16:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 In-Reply-To: References: <47257d29-8824-d12a-87fb-a04e0a5d3b4c@horizon.co.fk> <01a601d253cf$3b7191c0$b254b540$@sbcglobal.net> <61d36794-547c-84e1-460e-266971829ca7@cox.net> Message-ID: Ah, yes... now I recall that. Thanks... 73, Ken K3IU ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 12/11/2016 12:44 PM, Tom wrote: > From page 20 in KAT500 manual: > > > 1. > > Idle Sleep > > In some installations a 28004.5 MHz signal may be heard from an > oscillator in the KAT500. If this is an issue, you can cause the KAT500 > oscillator to shut down when it is not needed. Click on Idle Sleep to > put a check in the radio button. The oscillator will stop running > shortly after the last key press or the last data communication with other > equipment and restart automatically when needed. > 2. > > > 3. > > Tom, KQ5S > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Ken K3IU wrote: > >> I sent an email query to Gary Surrency this morning, but of course have >> not yet heard back from him yet. >> 73, Ken K3IU >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> On 12/11/2016 12:12 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: >> >>> ... >>> >>> I'd like to know what the mod is as well. >>> >>> Rich - N5ZC >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nineback at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net > From rcrgs at verizon.net Sun Dec 11 13:38:26 2016 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 18:38:26 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 In-Reply-To: <01a601d253cf$3b7191c0$b254b540$@sbcglobal.net> References: <47257d29-8824-d12a-87fb-a04e0a5d3b4c@horizon.co.fk> <01a601d253cf$3b7191c0$b254b540$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <584D9D22.8090909@verizon.net> I have an original K3, #6232, with the new synthesizer. I hear the signal at 28.004.55. It is S5 with the KAT500 turned on in either the AUTO of MAN mode. In the BYP mode or with the KAT turned off, the signal is still there but drops to an S3. Interesting that while "everyone" hears it, not everyone hears it at the same, exact frequency. Also, no one else has mentioned being able to hear it, however faintly, with the tuner off or in the BYP mode. ...robert, KE2WY On 12/11/2016 16:54, Mark E. Musick wrote: > I have a K3S and the signal is at 28004.15. It is coming from the KAT500. > The signal is there even when the KAT500 is turned off from the front panel. > It vanishes when the KAT500 is disconnected from its power supply. > I seem to remember a discussion about this before, but I never checked my > KAT500 for the symptom. > Jim, what was the mod? I assume it is something Elecraft supplies and we can > install it ourselves? > > Mark, WB9CIF > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike > Harris > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 1:24 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 signal at 28004 > Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 10:23:38 -0300 > From: Mike Harris > To: James Bennett > > I have that signal on my K3 without any other Elecraft peripherals wrapped > around it, internally it is pretty well stuffed with options. > However, I have installed the K3s KIO3B and KXV3B and observe the following: > > With the antenna connected and using the 500Hz 5 pole CW filter if I tune > off 1kHz and set the dBV metering to 0dBV+/- on the noise floor when re > tuning to the signal I see 3dB+/- increase. > > Enabling PRE 1 and re zeroing the dBV reading on tune increases to > +11dBV+/-. > > Enabling Pre 2 and re zeroing the dBV reading on tune the signal has > vanished. > > Pre 1 and Pre 2 are not co located and it is possible that layout is > determining what is being picked up internally. > > Maybe a K3s owner would like to report the presence or not of this signal. > The K3s RF board has apparently been redesigned making it quieter. > > Cycling the preamps on an weak external signal coming in off the antenna, > results in the expected changes in signal and noise, that is when Pre 2 is > enabled the external signal doesn't vanish. > > This will need to be re visited using my XG3 on 1uV to eliminate QSB > effects. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > > On 11/12/2016 02:51, James Bennett wrote: >> Hank - I had that same signal at 28.004 and it was caused by my KAT500, as > I recall. Elecraft has a fix for that - simple mod to the KAT500, if I > recall correctly. Do you have a KAT500 and have you possibly removed power > from it? If so, that's probably where your signal has gone. Just a guess.... >> >> Jim Bennett / W6JHB >> Folsom, CA >> >>> On Dec 10, 2016, at 5:30 PM, HankP wrote: >>> >>> Ok I give up - I always have a strong signal about 28004 on my K3 and >>> it was there this morning just like always and most all day - now its >>> GONE and the rx seems like its still working normally -107 dBm on the >>> P3 for the 1 uv in . TX ok too. Just no 28004 ??? What is the magic >>> ?? Hank K7HP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rcrgs at verizon.net > -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From gkidder at ilstu.edu Sun Dec 11 14:29:30 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 14:29:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 In-Reply-To: <584D9D22.8090909@verizon.net> References: <47257d29-8824-d12a-87fb-a04e0a5d3b4c@horizon.co.fk> <01a601d253cf$3b7191c0$b254b540$@sbcglobal.net> <584D9D22.8090909@verizon.net> Message-ID: I also have a K3/100 (4094), original synthesizer, no KAT500 or KAT3. This discussion triggered a look at 28 MHz region. Curiously, there is a signal at 27.999.890, which seems to have a set of sidebands, 4 on each side spaced 2.39 KHz, as seen on the NaP3 panscope.. This signal is coming in on the antenna line, since it is strongest on my 80 M G5RV and the 160 M vertical, audible but weaker on the 10 meter vertical (a 12AVQ) and all other antennas. A weak signal is audible on a dummy load (an old Heath "Cantenna") at the end of 100' of coax and located 60 ft away from the shack. No guarantees that the coaxes are not leaking, though. At any rate, this is the report KE2WY was looking for. For whatever that is worth - 73 George, W3HBM On 12/11/2016 1:38 PM, Robert G Strickland wrote: > I have an original K3, #6232, with the new synthesizer. I hear the > signal at 28.004.55. It is S5 with the KAT500 turned on in either the > AUTO of MAN mode. In the BYP mode or with the KAT turned off, the > signal is still there but drops to an S3. > > Interesting that while "everyone" hears it, not everyone hears it at > the same, exact frequency. Also, no one else has mentioned being able > to hear it, however faintly, with the tuner off or in the BYP mode. > > ...robert, KE2WY > > On 12/11/2016 16:54, Mark E. Musick wrote: >> I have a K3S and the signal is at 28004.15. It is coming from the >> KAT500. >> The signal is there even when the KAT500 is turned off from the front >> panel. >> It vanishes when the KAT500 is disconnected from its power supply. >> I seem to remember a discussion about this before, but I never >> checked my >> KAT500 for the symptom. >> Jim, what was the mod? I assume it is something Elecraft supplies and >> we can >> install it ourselves? >> >> Mark, WB9CIF >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Mike >> Harris >> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 1:24 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 >> >> >> >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 signal at 28004 >> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 10:23:38 -0300 >> From: Mike Harris >> To: James Bennett >> >> I have that signal on my K3 without any other Elecraft peripherals >> wrapped >> around it, internally it is pretty well stuffed with options. >> However, I have installed the K3s KIO3B and KXV3B and observe the >> following: >> >> With the antenna connected and using the 500Hz 5 pole CW filter if I >> tune >> off 1kHz and set the dBV metering to 0dBV+/- on the noise floor when re >> tuning to the signal I see 3dB+/- increase. >> >> Enabling PRE 1 and re zeroing the dBV reading on tune increases to >> +11dBV+/-. >> >> Enabling Pre 2 and re zeroing the dBV reading on tune the signal has >> vanished. >> >> Pre 1 and Pre 2 are not co located and it is possible that layout is >> determining what is being picked up internally. >> >> Maybe a K3s owner would like to report the presence or not of this >> signal. >> The K3s RF board has apparently been redesigned making it quieter. >> >> Cycling the preamps on an weak external signal coming in off the >> antenna, >> results in the expected changes in signal and noise, that is when Pre >> 2 is >> enabled the external signal doesn't vanish. >> >> This will need to be re visited using my XG3 on 1uV to eliminate QSB >> effects. >> >> Regards, >> >> Mike VP8NO >> >> On 11/12/2016 02:51, James Bennett wrote: >>> Hank - I had that same signal at 28.004 and it was caused by my >>> KAT500, as >> I recall. Elecraft has a fix for that - simple mod to the KAT500, if I >> recall correctly. Do you have a KAT500 and have you possibly removed >> power >> from it? If so, that's probably where your signal has gone. Just a >> guess.... >>> >>> Jim Bennett / W6JHB >>> Folsom, CA >>> >>>> On Dec 10, 2016, at 5:30 PM, HankP wrote: >>>> >>>> Ok I give up - I always have a strong signal about 28004 on my K3 and >>>> it was there this morning just like always and most all day - now its >>>> GONE and the rx seems like its still working normally -107 dBm on the >>>> P3 for the 1 uv in . TX ok too. Just no 28004 ??? What is the magic >>>> ?? Hank K7HP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message >> delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rcrgs at verizon.net >> > From w6jhb at me.com Sun Dec 11 14:55:29 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 11:55:29 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 In-Reply-To: <01a601d253cf$3b7191c0$b254b540$@sbcglobal.net> References: <47257d29-8824-d12a-87fb-a04e0a5d3b4c@horizon.co.fk> <01a601d253cf$3b7191c0$b254b540$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <907EE095-B971-4D56-8F85-C706A4D10751@me.com> Yes, Elecraft will supply the mod, and if I recall, it is pretty easy to install. I think it was a matter on soldering on one or two small parts. Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Dec 11, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Mark E. Musick wrote: > > I have a K3S and the signal is at 28004.15. It is coming from the KAT500. > The signal is there even when the KAT500 is turned off from the front panel. > It vanishes when the KAT500 is disconnected from its power supply. > I seem to remember a discussion about this before, but I never checked my > KAT500 for the symptom. > Jim, what was the mod? I assume it is something Elecraft supplies and we can > install it ourselves? > > Mark, WB9CIF > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike > Harris > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 1:24 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 signal at 28004 > Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 10:23:38 -0300 > From: Mike Harris > To: James Bennett > > I have that signal on my K3 without any other Elecraft peripherals wrapped > around it, internally it is pretty well stuffed with options. > However, I have installed the K3s KIO3B and KXV3B and observe the following: > > With the antenna connected and using the 500Hz 5 pole CW filter if I tune > off 1kHz and set the dBV metering to 0dBV+/- on the noise floor when re > tuning to the signal I see 3dB+/- increase. > > Enabling PRE 1 and re zeroing the dBV reading on tune increases to > +11dBV+/-. > > Enabling Pre 2 and re zeroing the dBV reading on tune the signal has > vanished. > > Pre 1 and Pre 2 are not co located and it is possible that layout is > determining what is being picked up internally. > > Maybe a K3s owner would like to report the presence or not of this signal. > The K3s RF board has apparently been redesigned making it quieter. > > Cycling the preamps on an weak external signal coming in off the antenna, > results in the expected changes in signal and noise, that is when Pre 2 is > enabled the external signal doesn't vanish. > > This will need to be re visited using my XG3 on 1uV to eliminate QSB > effects. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > >> On 11/12/2016 02:51, James Bennett wrote: >> Hank - I had that same signal at 28.004 and it was caused by my KAT500, as > I recall. Elecraft has a fix for that - simple mod to the KAT500, if I > recall correctly. Do you have a KAT500 and have you possibly removed power > from it? If so, that's probably where your signal has gone. Just a guess.... >> >> Jim Bennett / W6JHB >> Folsom, CA >> >>> On Dec 10, 2016, at 5:30 PM, HankP wrote: >>> >>> Ok I give up - I always have a strong signal about 28004 on my K3 and >>> it was there this morning just like always and most all day - now its >>> GONE and the rx seems like its still working normally -107 dBm on the >>> P3 for the 1 uv in . TX ok too. Just no 28004 ??? What is the magic >>> ?? Hank K7HP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Sun Dec 11 18:23:57 2016 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 20:23:57 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 In-Reply-To: <584D9D22.8090909@verizon.net> References: <47257d29-8824-d12a-87fb-a04e0a5d3b4c@horizon.co.fk> <01a601d253cf$3b7191c0$b254b540$@sbcglobal.net> <584D9D22.8090909@verizon.net> Message-ID: <3005d024-c344-ad89-a00a-079036e836ea@horizon.co.fk> Hi, The S3 signal is probably from within the K3. As previously mentioned I have this signal which in my case is 28004.676. Note: I do not have a KAT500. Out of curiosity I changed the K3 REF CAL parameter from the last calibration setting of 49.379.892 to 49.379.700 a change of 192. The frequency of the odd signal shifted and was displayed now on 28004.559 a change of 117Hz. This might give an indication as to why different K3's present this signal at slightly different frequencies. I indicated in an earlier post that the signal vanished when PRE 2 was activated, this was entirely due to it being buried by extra antenna noise. When I repeated the test with my XG3 which clearly doesn't have a load of antenna noise the signal still dropped by an indicated 8dBV or so, if I remember correctly, when switching from PRE 1 to PRE 2. This still makes me think it is due to a locational change within the box of the respective pre-amps. Does this matter, not a bit. At least it is Elecraft related. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 11/12/2016 15:38, Robert G Strickland wrote: > I have an original K3, #6232, with the new synthesizer. I hear the > signal at 28.004.55. It is S5 with the KAT500 turned on in either the > AUTO of MAN mode. In the BYP mode or with the KAT turned off, the signal > is still there but drops to an S3. > > Interesting that while "everyone" hears it, not everyone hears it at the > same, exact frequency. Also, no one else has mentioned being able to > hear it, however faintly, with the tuner off or in the BYP mode. > > ...robert, KE2WY From ed at w0yk.com Mon Dec 12 02:40:43 2016 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 23:40:43 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1185E148373D429A90A802D3EEEDE7DC@h81420t> Hopefully, someone from Elecraft will address this question soon, but meanwhile here is what I've discovered. I have two K-Pods, each with firmware 1.02. When Mike contacted me off-list about this "D4 always on" question, I replied no, D4 should not be on. It has never been on in my units. Then, I updated to K-Pod Production firmware version 1.09 today and guess what? Now, my D4 LEDs were on all the time. Moreover, the K-Pod command to turn them off didn't work. In fact, none of the K-Pod commands worked. I had the latest Production MCU/FP/DSP firmware installed so it never occurred to me that maybe the Beta firmware was required. Nonetheless, I installed the latest Beta firmware and the D4 LED extinguished as soon as Beta FP 1.26 installed. And, now all the K-Pod commands work again. So, if (1) you are a recent recipient of a K-Pod with 1.09 firmware, or (2) have updated your K-Pod to firmware version 1.09, you might need to load the Beta MCU 5.54/FP 1.26/DPS 2.88 firmware if the issues described here concern you. As far as I could tell, all other aspects of the K-Pod worked fine with K-Pod 1.09 and the current Production K3 firmware versions. Ed W0YK ________________________________________________________________________ Mike VE3WDM asked: Good afternoon, I just connected the K-pod to my K3 for the first time after updating the firmware to the latest. I noticed that D4 is always on just wondering if this is normal? From k1ep.list at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 05:15:13 2016 From: k1ep.list at gmail.com (Ed K1EP) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 05:15:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod question In-Reply-To: <1185E148373D429A90A802D3EEEDE7DC@h81420t> References: <1185E148373D429A90A802D3EEEDE7DC@h81420t> Message-ID: My D4 is always on too, as I have upgraded to the latest release. Although I have had my KPod for a while, I just started using mine regularly. I thought there were a couple of macros that didn't work right, but I attributed that to my lack of macro experience on the K3. I will take a closer look now and see if the Beta firmware is the fix. On Dec 12, 2016 2:42 AM, "Ed Muns" wrote: > Hopefully, someone from Elecraft will address this question soon, but > meanwhile here is what I've discovered. > > I have two K-Pods, each with firmware 1.02. When Mike contacted me > off-list > about this "D4 always on" question, I replied no, D4 should not be on. It > has never been on in my units. > > Then, I updated to K-Pod Production firmware version 1.09 today and guess > what? Now, my D4 LEDs were on all the time. Moreover, the K-Pod command > to > turn them off didn't work. In fact, none of the K-Pod commands worked. > > I had the latest Production MCU/FP/DSP firmware installed so it never > occurred to me that maybe the Beta firmware was required. Nonetheless, I > installed the latest Beta firmware and the D4 LED extinguished as soon as > Beta FP 1.26 installed. And, now all the K-Pod commands work again. > > So, if (1) you are a recent recipient of a K-Pod with 1.09 firmware, or (2) > have updated your K-Pod to firmware version 1.09, you might need to load > the > Beta MCU 5.54/FP 1.26/DPS 2.88 firmware if the issues described here > concern > you. As far as I could tell, all other aspects of the K-Pod worked fine > with K-Pod 1.09 and the current Production K3 firmware versions. > > Ed W0YK > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Mike VE3WDM asked: > > Good afternoon, I just connected the K-pod to my K3 for the first time > after > updating the firmware to the latest. I noticed that D4 is always on just > wondering if this is normal? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k1ep.list at gmail.com > From jh3sif at sumaq.jp Mon Dec 12 06:48:15 2016 From: jh3sif at sumaq.jp (Keith Onishi) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:48:15 +0900 Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod question In-Reply-To: References: <1185E148373D429A90A802D3EEEDE7DC@h81420t> Message-ID: <304518D1-619C-4316-B5A8-C192CCFDE7C2@sumaq.jp> My K-Pod with the latest firmware release does not show such symptom. So D4 is always OFF unless sending command to set D4 on. MCU/FPF/DSP is 5.54/1.26/2.88. 73 de JH3SIF, Keith > 2016/12/12 19:15?Ed K1EP ????? > > My D4 is always on too, as I have upgraded to the latest release. Although > I have had my KPod for a while, I just started using mine regularly. I > thought there were a couple of macros that didn't work right, but I > attributed that to my lack of macro experience on the K3. I will take a > closer look now and see if the Beta firmware is the fix. > > On Dec 12, 2016 2:42 AM, "Ed Muns" wrote: > >> Hopefully, someone from Elecraft will address this question soon, but >> meanwhile here is what I've discovered. >> >> I have two K-Pods, each with firmware 1.02. When Mike contacted me >> off-list >> about this "D4 always on" question, I replied no, D4 should not be on. It >> has never been on in my units. >> >> Then, I updated to K-Pod Production firmware version 1.09 today and guess >> what? Now, my D4 LEDs were on all the time. Moreover, the K-Pod command >> to >> turn them off didn't work. In fact, none of the K-Pod commands worked. >> >> I had the latest Production MCU/FP/DSP firmware installed so it never >> occurred to me that maybe the Beta firmware was required. Nonetheless, I >> installed the latest Beta firmware and the D4 LED extinguished as soon as >> Beta FP 1.26 installed. And, now all the K-Pod commands work again. >> >> So, if (1) you are a recent recipient of a K-Pod with 1.09 firmware, or (2) >> have updated your K-Pod to firmware version 1.09, you might need to load >> the >> Beta MCU 5.54/FP 1.26/DPS 2.88 firmware if the issues described here >> concern >> you. As far as I could tell, all other aspects of the K-Pod worked fine >> with K-Pod 1.09 and the current Production K3 firmware versions. >> >> Ed W0YK >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Mike VE3WDM asked: >> >> Good afternoon, I just connected the K-pod to my K3 for the first time >> after >> updating the firmware to the latest. I noticed that D4 is always on just >> wondering if this is normal? >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k1ep.list at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jh3sif at sumaq.jp From brian at g4dvb.co.uk Mon Dec 12 09:37:28 2016 From: brian at g4dvb.co.uk (GW4DVB) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 07:37:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with P3 Message-ID: <1481553448069-7624604.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi... I have a K3 with P3 When using on 40m and higher I notice that a stronger signal on the band HF and LF affect the background noise level of the band and signals in general rise and fall by up to 3 S points. Assuming that the P3 is only displaying what comes out of the K3 I am assuming that this is a setting that needs working on within the K3 ATT = On Pre = Off Has anyone else come across this and found a fix ?? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-with-P3-tp7624604.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2av.guy at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 10:10:01 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 10:10:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with P3 In-Reply-To: <1481553448069-7624604.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1481553448069-7624604.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Do you have the P3 NB on? 73, Guy K2AV On Monday, December 12, 2016, GW4DVB wrote: > Hi... I have a K3 with P3 > > When using on 40m and higher I notice that a stronger signal on the band HF > and LF affect the background noise level of the band and signals in general > rise and fall by up to 3 S points. > > Assuming that the P3 is only displaying what comes out of the K3 I am > assuming that this is a setting that needs working on within the K3 > > ATT = On > > Pre = Off > > Has anyone else come across this and found a fix ?? > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > nabble.com/K3-with-P3-tp7624604.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From ve3rrd at sympatico.ca Mon Dec 12 11:06:51 2016 From: ve3rrd at sympatico.ca (Al Duncan VE3RRD) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:06:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 signal at 28004 In-Reply-To: <3005d024-c344-ad89-a00a-079036e836ea@horizon.co.fk> References: <47257d29-8824-d12a-87fb-a04e0a5d3b4c@horizon.co.fk> <01a601d253cf$3b7191c0$b254b540$@sbcglobal.net> <584D9D22.8090909@verizon.net> <3005d024-c344-ad89-a00a-079036e836ea@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: <79fa4871-6f3c-57aa-7c3a-602ba1117498@sympatico.ca> I have a KX3 with the KXPA100 amp (with internal tuner), and I also hear a strong S6 to S7 carrier on 28004.3 KHz. The signal disappears when I set the KX3 "PA MODE" to OFF. 73, AL - VE3RRD On 12/11/2016 6:23 PM, Mike Harris wrote: > Hi, > > The S3 signal is probably from within the K3. As previously mentioned > I have this signal which in my case is 28004.676. Note: I do not have > a KAT500. > > Out of curiosity I changed the K3 REF CAL parameter from the last > calibration setting of 49.379.892 to 49.379.700 a change of 192. The > frequency of the odd signal shifted and was displayed now on 28004.559 > a change of 117Hz. This might give an indication as to why different > K3's present this signal at slightly different frequencies. > > I indicated in an earlier post that the signal vanished when PRE 2 was > activated, this was entirely due to it being buried by extra antenna > noise. When I repeated the test with my XG3 which clearly doesn't have > a load of antenna noise the signal still dropped by an indicated 8dBV > or so, if I remember correctly, when switching from PRE 1 to PRE 2. > This still makes me think it is due to a locational change within the > box of the respective pre-amps. > > Does this matter, not a bit. At least it is Elecraft related. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon Dec 12 12:08:48 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 17:08:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with P3 In-Reply-To: <1481553448069-7624604.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1481553448069-7624604.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: As I remember, the P3 is un-affected by settings on the K3. Nice if you use the RF gain control, etc. As for the signals rising and falling in S units because of a stronger signal, I am at a loss to explain at the moment. Dick, n0ce On 12/12/2016 8:37 AM, GW4DVB wrote: > Hi... I have a K3 with P3 > > When using on 40m and higher I notice that a stronger signal on the band HF > and LF affect the background noise level of the band and signals in general > rise and fall by up to 3 S points. > > Assuming that the P3 is only displaying what comes out of the K3 I am > assuming that this is a setting that needs working on within the K3 > > ATT = On > > Pre = Off > > Has anyone else come across this and found a fix ?? > > > > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 12:51:03 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:51:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with P3 In-Reply-To: References: <1481553448069-7624604.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Referring to the P3 menu's NB setting. That will spread very strong signals on the P3 display. 73, Guy K2AV On Monday, December 12, 2016, Richard Fjeld wrote: > As I remember, the P3 is un-affected by settings on the K3. Nice if you > use the RF gain control, etc. > > As for the signals rising and falling in S units because of a stronger > signal, I am at a loss to explain at the moment. > > Dick, n0ce > > > On 12/12/2016 8:37 AM, GW4DVB wrote: > > Hi... I have a K3 with P3 > > > > When using on 40m and higher I notice that a stronger signal on the band > HF > > and LF affect the background noise level of the band and signals in > general > > rise and fall by up to 3 S points. > > > > Assuming that the P3 is only displaying what comes out of the K3 I am > > assuming that this is a setting that needs working on within the K3 > > > > ATT = On > > > > Pre = Off > > > > Has anyone else come across this and found a fix ?? > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From gkidder at ilstu.edu Mon Dec 12 14:51:42 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 14:51:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 In-Reply-To: <5848D6FB.1030106@telepostinc.com> References: <5848D6FB.1030106@telepostinc.com> Message-ID: Sorry, Larry, but that didn't do it. (Testing takes a long time!) Ran OK with both sliders max left, for about a day. Then crashed after 2 hours, reset with full reboot, crashed again after after several more hours. In short, no change. Did I change the right thing? ["control panel, device manager, ports, communications port (com 1), port settings, advanced. "Use FIFO buffers" was checked, moved both sliders from full right to full left] Or should I have been putzing with the Eltima settings (virtual Com 19 and com4) which are called up by LP-BRIDGE? I cannot seem to find any buffer size settings for these virtual ports. I just now unchecked the "use FIFO buffers" box. Sliders are grayed out. Seems to work, except now NaP3 has lost it's memory for the last frequency used. Will run this way and see what happens. Thanks George, W3HBM On 12/7/2016 10:43 PM, Larry Phipps wrote: > The largest option that they offer for both xmt and rcv buffers. > > Larry > > > On 12/7/2016 7:34 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP Bridge crashes with K3 >> >Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2016 18:43:53 -0500 >> >From: George Kidder >> >Reply-To:gkidder at ilstu.edu >> >To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > >> > >> >No I have not, Larry. What settings do you recommend for starters? >> > >> >George >> > >> > >> >On 12/4/2016 11:02 AM, Larry Phipps wrote: >> > >>> >>Have you tried adjusting the buffer settings in Device Mgr for your >>> >>serial port? >>> >> >>> >>Larry N8LP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu From k3ydx at yahoo.com Mon Dec 12 16:35:45 2016 From: k3ydx at yahoo.com (Hank Hanburger) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 21:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 signal at 28004 References: <243015852.1428138.1481578545967.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <243015852.1428138.1481578545967@mail.yahoo.com> I too noticed this signal this past weekend while doing some S&P in the ARRL 10 meter contest. I have no other Elecraft accessories and have an upgraded K3 in the 6000 range serial numbers.My signal is audible from about 28.003.75 to 28.005.64 transitioning from low pitch to high withthe shift up in frequency. ?The peak signal strength is about S7-8 at about 28.004. As others have suggested I would believe it is internal to the K3. Happy Holidays to all and 73HankK3YDX? From idarack at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 17:07:05 2016 From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 17:07:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Macro Message-ID: I would like to write a WWV Macro that sends VFO A = 20 Mhz and VFO B = 15 Mhz. This sends VFO A to 20 Mhz: FA00020000000;MD5;FB00015000000;BW0300; But does not send VFO B to 15 Mhz What am I doing wrong here? Thanks, -- Irwin KD3TB From w0mu at w0mu.com Mon Dec 12 17:19:50 2016 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 15:19:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Macro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You have dual receivers? On 12/12/2016 3:07 PM, Irwin Darack wrote: > I would like to write a WWV Macro that sends VFO A = 20 Mhz and VFO B = 15 > Mhz. > > This sends VFO A to 20 Mhz: FA00020000000;MD5;FB00015000000;BW0300; > But does not send VFO B to 15 Mhz > > What am I doing wrong here? > > Thanks, From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 12 17:22:33 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 17:22:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Macro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Irwin, My guess is that you do not have VFO IND turned ON in the menu. You are trying to set the VFOs to two different bands and that requires VFO INDependent. See page 37 of the K3 manual for full disclosure. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/12/2016 5:07 PM, Irwin Darack wrote: > I would like to write a WWV Macro that sends VFO A = 20 Mhz and VFO B = 15 > Mhz. > > This sends VFO A to 20 Mhz: FA00020000000;MD5;FB00015000000;BW0300; > But does not send VFO B to 15 Mhz > > What am I doing wrong here? > > Thanks, > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 12 17:31:53 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 17:31:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with P3 In-Reply-To: <1481553448069-7624604.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1481553448069-7624604.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3dba7614-1ded-6d53-997e-356d184f549c@embarqmail.com> If you have AVERAGING on, it can cause the baseline of the display to vary with the signals in the band. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/12/2016 9:37 AM, GW4DVB wrote: > Hi... I have a K3 with P3 > > When using on 40m and higher I notice that a stronger signal on the band HF > and LF affect the background noise level of the band and signals in general > rise and fall by up to 3 S points. > > Assuming that the P3 is only displaying what comes out of the K3 I am > assuming that this is a setting that needs working on within the K3 From etksubs at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 18:44:43 2016 From: etksubs at gmail.com (E T) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 18:44:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Amp Hours Message-ID: <6C35BC9D-39B3-4CC7-8EE3-892F8E2FB5F7@gmail.com> Just got a KX2 last week and I?m loving it! I have a KX3 which I?m using as my base station (also have a FTdx3000 which is in storage for a while for an upcoming house move transition), but the KX2 will be my new mobile device. It appears that the KX2 Amp Hours measurement applies to the radio as a whole, independent of internal vs external power supply. It would be *really* nice if this could be configured to only increment when using the internal battery, as that is the best indicator as to whether it needs charging or not. Yes, the voltage is applicable, but the overall usage over time is certainly a better indicator. Just a suggestion? :-) Thanks and 73, Erik Tkal - W1QED From ed at w0yk.com Mon Dec 12 19:05:25 2016 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 16:05:25 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod question Message-ID: 5.50/1.25/2.87 is the latest firmware release.? 5.54/1.26/2.88 is Beta firmware.? That's the issue. 73, Ed W0YK On Dec 12, 2016 3:48 AM, Keith Onishi wrote: > > My K-Pod with the latest firmware release does not show such symptom. So D4 is always OFF unless sending command to set D4 on. > MCU/FPF/DSP is 5.54/1.26/2.88. > > 73 de JH3SIF, Keith > > > 2016/12/12 19:15?Ed K1EP ????? > > > > My D4 is always on too, as I have upgraded to the latest release. Although > > I have had my KPod for a while, I just started using mine regularly. I > > thought there were a couple of macros that didn't work right, but I > > attributed that to my lack of macro experience on the K3.? I will take a > > closer look now and see if the Beta firmware is the fix. > > > > On Dec 12, 2016 2:42 AM, "Ed Muns" wrote: > > > >> Hopefully, someone from Elecraft will address this question soon, but > >> meanwhile here is what I've discovered. > >> > >> I have two K-Pods, each with firmware 1.02.? When Mike contacted me > >> off-list > >> about this "D4 always on" question, I replied no, D4 should not be on.? It > >> has never been on in my units. > >> > >> Then, I updated to K-Pod Production firmware version 1.09 today and guess > >> what?? Now, my D4 LEDs were on all the time.? Moreover, the K-Pod command > >> to > >> turn them off didn't work.? In fact, none of the K-Pod commands worked. > >> > >> I had the latest Production MCU/FP/DSP firmware installed so it never > >> occurred to me that maybe the Beta firmware was required.? Nonetheless, I > >> installed the latest Beta firmware and the D4 LED extinguished as soon as > >> Beta FP 1.26 installed.? And, now all the K-Pod commands work again. > >> > >> So, if (1) you are a recent recipient of a K-Pod with 1.09 firmware, or (2) > >> have updated your K-Pod to firmware version 1.09, you might need to load > >> the > >> Beta MCU 5.54/FP 1.26/DPS 2.88 firmware if the issues described here > >> concern > >> you.? As far as I could tell, all other aspects of the K-Pod worked fine > >> with K-Pod 1.09 and the current Production K3 firmware versions. > >> > >> Ed W0YK > >> ________________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> Mike VE3WDM asked: > >> > >> Good afternoon, I just connected the K-pod to my K3 for the first time > >> after > >> updating the firmware to the latest. I noticed that D4 is always on just > >> wondering if this is normal? > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to k1ep.list at gmail.com > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to jh3sif at sumaq.jp > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ed at w0yk.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 12 19:12:32 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 19:12:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Amp Hours In-Reply-To: <6C35BC9D-39B3-4CC7-8EE3-892F8E2FB5F7@gmail.com> References: <6C35BC9D-39B3-4CC7-8EE3-892F8E2FB5F7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <638e96c6-4f57-f356-901a-492afc446c9a@embarqmail.com> Erik, While that may be a good idea, I do not think the KX2 has any means of determining whether it is being powered by the internal battery or an external source. Perhaps you should confine the use of the Amp Hours measurement to times when you are running on a battery supply - whether that supply is internal or external. For use when running off a shack power supply, the measurement is not meaningful. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/12/2016 6:44 PM, E T wrote: > Just got a KX2 last week and I?m loving it! I have a KX3 which I?m using as my base station (also have a FTdx3000 which is in storage for a while for an upcoming house move transition), but the KX2 will be my new mobile device. > > It appears that the KX2 Amp Hours measurement applies to the radio as a whole, independent of internal vs external power supply. It would be *really* nice if this could be configured to only increment when using the internal battery, as that is the best indicator as to whether it needs charging or not. Yes, the voltage is applicable, but the overall usage over time is certainly a better indicator. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 12 19:29:57 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 19:29:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod question In-Reply-To: <20161213000739.33A9C149ADC7@mailman.qth.net> References: <20161213000739.33A9C149ADC7@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: For those who do not want to load beta firmware, you will have to tolerate the problem until 5.54 (or later) is moved to production status. For those who are cautious about beta firmware, if you want the function, go ahead and download it (follow the Beta Firmware Installation instructions), and run it. You can always retract to the production level. At Elecraft, Beta firmware is not "flaky" code. It simply implements the latest upgrades and is out "for test". If problems are discovered with it (what, if anything, was broken by the changes), then it will be superseded by another Beta version. When a good Beta version has been determined, it will be promoted to production status. In other words, the beta version is not "in development" and will not be changed with the same release number. It has already gone through initial Alpha testing. So for those who want the added function(s) more quickly than that Beta testing process allows, download and install the beta. If you find problems, report them - that problem seeking/reporting is the intent of beta firmware. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/12/2016 7:05 PM, Ed Muns wrote: > 5.50/1.25/2.87 is the latest firmware release. 5.54/1.26/2.88 is Beta firmware. That's the issue. > > 73, > Ed W0YK > On Dec 12, 2016 3:48 AM, Keith Onishi wrote: >> >> My K-Pod with the latest firmware release does not show such symptom. So D4 is always OFF unless sending command to set D4 on. >> MCU/FPF/DSP is 5.54/1.26/2.88. >> From etksubs at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 19:34:33 2016 From: etksubs at gmail.com (E T) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 19:34:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Amp Hours In-Reply-To: <638e96c6-4f57-f356-901a-492afc446c9a@embarqmail.com> References: <6C35BC9D-39B3-4CC7-8EE3-892F8E2FB5F7@gmail.com> <638e96c6-4f57-f356-901a-492afc446c9a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <7F36799A-DC34-42BF-AEB8-411B973532FB@gmail.com> Hi Don, Actually, I think it does have the capability to determine which supply is in use, since it explicitly chooses the higher voltage for operation. So in the software it would be possible to not accrue Amp Hours when not using the internal battery. :-) Thanks and 73, Erik Tkal - W1QED > On Dec 12, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Erik, > > While that may be a good idea, I do not think the KX2 has any means of determining whether it is being powered by the internal battery or an external source. > > Perhaps you should confine the use of the Amp Hours measurement to times when you are running on a battery supply - whether that supply is internal or external. > For use when running off a shack power supply, the measurement is not meaningful. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/12/2016 6:44 PM, E T wrote: >> Just got a KX2 last week and I?m loving it! I have a KX3 which I?m using as my base station (also have a FTdx3000 which is in storage for a while for an upcoming house move transition), but the KX2 will be my new mobile device. >> >> It appears that the KX2 Amp Hours measurement applies to the radio as a whole, independent of internal vs external power supply. It would be *really* nice if this could be configured to only increment when using the internal battery, as that is the best indicator as to whether it needs charging or not. Yes, the voltage is applicable, but the overall usage over time is certainly a better indicator. >> From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 12 19:42:21 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 19:42:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Amp Hours In-Reply-To: <7F36799A-DC34-42BF-AEB8-411B973532FB@gmail.com> References: <6C35BC9D-39B3-4CC7-8EE3-892F8E2FB5F7@gmail.com> <638e96c6-4f57-f356-901a-492afc446c9a@embarqmail.com> <7F36799A-DC34-42BF-AEB8-411B973532FB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8bb05a26-a74d-eda3-0105-ff71d0f43dec@embarqmail.com> Erik, That "choice" is a simple matter of the two reverse voltage protection diodes (one on each supply input). The higher voltage will prevail, no switching or additional sensing is necessary. That same condition exists on the KX1, KX3 and KX2. Much more complicated circuitry would be required to determine which supply is providing the voltage. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/12/2016 7:34 PM, E T wrote: > Hi Don, > > Actually, I think it does have the capability to determine which > supply is in use, since it explicitly chooses the higher voltage for > operation. So in the software it would be possible to not accrue Amp > Hours when not using the internal battery. :-) > From silverlocks at gmx.com Mon Dec 12 20:26:13 2016 From: silverlocks at gmx.com (Emory Schley) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 02:26:13 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] FM on KX2? Message-ID: From silverlocks at gmx.com Mon Dec 12 20:32:30 2016 From: silverlocks at gmx.com (Emory Schley) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 02:32:30 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] FM on KX2? Message-ID: If you invoke the LCDTEST from the menu, the far rightside Mode column lists "FM T" so is it safe to assume that FM operation may be added to the KX2 at some point in the future? ? Emory Schley N4LP From jm416 at optonline.net Mon Dec 12 22:46:28 2016 From: jm416 at optonline.net (John W2XS) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:46:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Amp Hours In-Reply-To: <6C35BC9D-39B3-4CC7-8EE3-892F8E2FB5F7@gmail.com> References: <6C35BC9D-39B3-4CC7-8EE3-892F8E2FB5F7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1481600788636-7624623.post@n2.nabble.com> I received my KX2 last week, and had the exact same thought about the amp-hours display. I used it on batteries for a while but then operated the 10m ARRL test with the power supply and the amp hours kept ticking along. A menu option to manually "suspend" the amp hours display whenever the power supply is used would be a nice thing to have. I also really love the KX2 and think that it is a real winner. I had little to no trouble working any station that I could hear on 10m this weekend. I also made QSOs on all bands from 80 to 10 just to check things out. The rig is very smooth and precise, and the KXPD2 has a surprisingly nice feel to it. Who will be the first user to bypass the input filters to restore the sensitivity on the AM BCB? hi hi (But I do a lot of BCB listening on my K3 via the RX ant input). 72, John W2XS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-Amp-Hours-tp7624615p7624623.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cyaffey at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 09:59:02 2016 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 09:59:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 for sale Message-ID: Nice K1 with: KFL1-4 filter board (40m/30m/20m/15m), KAT1 tuner, KNB1 noise blanker, K1LCD back light, top cover with speaker, KTS1 tilt-up stand, power cable. $450. Free shipping CONUS. Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com http://www.bluesswing.com From ka2rvo at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 11:35:42 2016 From: ka2rvo at gmail.com (James Austin) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 10:35:42 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FM on KX2? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is probably the same LCD display on the KX2, KX3, and K3, so I wouldn't read too much into that. On the other hand, it is also an SDR, so perhaps it will be added if there is enough interest. Jim/KA2RVO On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Emory Schley wrote: > > > If you invoke the LCDTEST from the menu, the far rightside Mode column > lists "FM T" so is it safe to assume that FM operation may be added to the > KX2 at some point in the future? > > Emory Schley > N4LP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ka2rvo at gmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 13 11:47:15 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:47:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FM on KX2? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5df8a7e3-86c6-318c-9f38-74b78ca2a605@embarqmail.com> Emory, I do not think FM is in the plan for the KX2. It shows on the LCDTEST because the display is the same on the KX3 and K3 - the graphic is needed for those transceivers. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/12/2016 8:32 PM, Emory Schley wrote: > > > If you invoke the LCDTEST from the menu, the far rightside Mode column lists "FM T" so is it safe to assume that FM operation may be added to the KX2 at some point in the future? From dhorn1 at san.rr.com Tue Dec 13 11:53:18 2016 From: dhorn1 at san.rr.com (Dale) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 08:53:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] F/S: K3/100-F Message-ID: <53A2120F4EB547FFA0EDE09C7F2CF4D2@FastputLaptop> Very clean K3-100F 100 watt Transceiver ? Factory Assembled ? is available with very few hours from a non-smoker original owner. Firmware is up to date. 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Please contact me directly via email: dhorn1 at san.rr.com I am good in QRZ.com 73, Dale Horn K8ETI From idarack at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 11:56:58 2016 From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:56:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Macro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have had no luck in trying a variety of combinations using the Unlink VFO, Split and Sub Band commands in the Macro. I know wonder if you can not create a macro that sends VFO A to one band/frequency and VFO B to another band/Frequency? I am hoping that someone from Elecraft who is responsible for the Macro's can help here before I spend too much more time on this project. Thanks, Irwin KD3TB On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Irwin Darack wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 5:22 PM Don Wilhelm > wrote: > >> Irwin, >> Thanks, Irwin >> >> >> My guess is that you do not have VFO IND turned ON in the menu. >> >> You are trying to set the VFOs to two different bands and that requires >> >> VFO INDependent. See page 37 of the K3 manual for full disclosure. >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> Don W3FPR >> >> >> >> On 12/12/2016 5:07 PM, Irwin Darack wrote: >> >> > I would like to write a WWV Macro that sends VFO A = 20 Mhz and VFO B = >> 15 >> >> > Mhz. >> >> > >> >> > This sends VFO A to 20 Mhz: FA00020000000;MD5;FB00015000000;BW0300; >> >> > But does not send VFO B to 15 Mhz >> >> > >> >> > What am I doing wrong here? >> >> > >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > >> >> -- Irwin KD3TB From ae5x at juno.com Tue Dec 13 13:53:16 2016 From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 18:53:16 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Amp Hours Message-ID: <20161213.125316.14814.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com> I disagree - some of us use rechargeable batteries both internally and externally. And sometimes both at the same time. John AE5X http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ __________________________ It would be *really* nice if this could be configured to only increment when using the internal battery, as that is the best indicator as to whether it needs charging or not. ____________________________________________________________ Finally a Cheap Way to Track Your Car Smarter Life Advice http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/585043db46ab043db4e93st01vuc From holohaj2 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 13 14:30:22 2016 From: holohaj2 at hotmail.com (James Holohan) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:30:22 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA3 Message-ID: Hi All. On the KPA3 (Rev. C). there is a 27 Ohm 2W resistors connected to the each of the Gates of the RD100HHF1 PA's. Connected in series with each of these resistors is another resistor with a Diode in parallel. Does anyone know the value of the latter two resistors? On the PCB they appear to be labeled R23 & R30 respectively. However, they do not appear on the KPA3 Schematic. Regards. Jim EI4HH. From frantz at pwpconsult.com Tue Dec 13 14:49:23 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:49:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams Message-ID: A few weeks ago I passed a car with the license WA6HHQ and it got me to thinking: What if Elecraft made a radio specifically designed as a mobile radio? Here are some of my ideas: It would have a UI designed to minimize driver distraction. This UI might draw inspiration from the 5 button AM radios of old, which could tune pre-sets without looking at the radio. It would: Cover 80M-6M with 2M and 70cm being nice additions. Be available with 50-100W maximum output Have a small control head with a separation cable if necessary. Have a "hands free" operation option One intriguing idea would be to use the smartphone interfaces available in some newer cars to provide the entire radio UI in a form that is well integrated into the auto console. Or at least use it as a panadapter display. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | I like the farmers' market | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | because I can get fruits and | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | vegetables without stickers. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Dec 13 15:24:58 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 12:24:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2f5346b7-5650-901a-c7e8-2a51e373d3dc@foothill.net> I would think that would be the ultimate driver distraction. The P3 is about all I look at when operating. [:-) My Silverado is 13 years old and I've got a new Honda Ridgeline [which will fit into the garage] on order. While test driving the Honda, I found the big navigation/phone/radio/vehicle status/calculator screen to be a distraction ... even without a panadapter on it. And, yes it also has a calculator. 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 - www.cqp.org On 12/13/2016 11:49 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > It would have a UI designed to minimize driver distraction. > Or at least use it as a panadapter display. > > 73 Bill AE6JV From softblue at windstream.net Tue Dec 13 15:34:46 2016 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 15:34:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams Message-ID: <000901d25580$58008690$080193b0$@windstream.net> Bill - I'm glad you brought this up. I've been using the Yaesu FT-857D mobile for a number of years. The number one thing I appreciate about it is the remote head aspect. It is suitably sized to sit atop the column of the steering wheel. The controls are all accessible through the top open half of the steering wheel. Eye deviation from the roadway is minimal. It does not in my case block information on the dashboard. One consideration that might be a further improvement is a heads up display. A heads up display is one that reflects off the inside of the windshield from a top of dashboard mounted display. Controls might still be incorporated into a unit that could mount atop the steering wheel column or other convenient location. HF Mobile operation is important to me. I notice that Yaesu's new FT-891 follows the configuration of the 857D (though without 2m and 440MHz) with a larger display area and an improved menu system. While I enjoy HF mobile, my perception is that it is on the decline in popularity. I don't see HF mobile setups unless I'm in the realm of a Hamfest. Best, Dick - KA5KKT ----------------------------------------------------------------------- A few weeks ago I passed a car with the license WA6HHQ and it got me to thinking: What if Elecraft made a radio specifically designed as a mobile radio? Here are some of my ideas: It would have a UI designed to minimize driver distraction. This UI might draw inspiration from the 5 button AM radios of old, which could tune pre-sets without looking at the radio. It would: Cover 80M-6M with 2M and 70cm being nice additions. Be available with 50-100W maximum output Have a small control head with a separation cable if necessary. Have a "hands free" operation option One intriguing idea would be to use the smartphone interfaces available in some newer cars to provide the entire radio UI in a form that is well integrated into the auto console. Or at least use it as a panadapter display. 73 Bill AE6JV From jh3sif at sumaq.jp Tue Dec 13 15:40:30 2016 From: jh3sif at sumaq.jp (jh3sif at sumaq.jp) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 05:40:30 +0900 Subject: [Elecraft] K-pod question Message-ID: <396E855F-4CB2-458D-A637-004B45CFD5D2@sumaq.jp> Sorry, mine is the latest ?Beta" firmware, MCU/FPF/DSP = 5.54/1.26/2.88, but with no such problem. 73 de JH3SIF, Keith > 2016/12/13 9:05?Ed Muns ????? > > 5.50/1.25/2.87 is the latest firmware release. 5.54/1.26/2.88 is Beta firmware. That's the issue. > > 73, > Ed W0YK > On Dec 12, 2016 3:48 AM, Keith Onishi wrote: >> >> My K-Pod with the latest firmware release does not show such symptom. So D4 is always OFF unless sending command to set D4 on. >> MCU/FPF/DSP is 5.54/1.26/2.88. >> >> 73 de JH3SIF, Keith >> >>> 2016/12/12 19:15?Ed K1EP ????? >>> >>> My D4 is always on too, as I have upgraded to the latest release. Although >>> I have had my KPod for a while, I just started using mine regularly. I >>> thought there were a couple of macros that didn't work right, but I >>> attributed that to my lack of macro experience on the K3. I will take a >>> closer look now and see if the Beta firmware is the fix. >>> >>> On Dec 12, 2016 2:42 AM, "Ed Muns" wrote: >>> >>>> Hopefully, someone from Elecraft will address this question soon, but >>>> meanwhile here is what I've discovered. >>>> >>>> I have two K-Pods, each with firmware 1.02. When Mike contacted me >>>> off-list >>>> about this "D4 always on" question, I replied no, D4 should not be on. It >>>> has never been on in my units. >>>> >>>> Then, I updated to K-Pod Production firmware version 1.09 today and guess >>>> what? Now, my D4 LEDs were on all the time. Moreover, the K-Pod command >>>> to >>>> turn them off didn't work. In fact, none of the K-Pod commands worked. >>>> >>>> I had the latest Production MCU/FP/DSP firmware installed so it never >>>> occurred to me that maybe the Beta firmware was required. Nonetheless, I >>>> installed the latest Beta firmware and the D4 LED extinguished as soon as >>>> Beta FP 1.26 installed. And, now all the K-Pod commands work again. >>>> >>>> So, if (1) you are a recent recipient of a K-Pod with 1.09 firmware, or (2) >>>> have updated your K-Pod to firmware version 1.09, you might need to load >>>> the >>>> Beta MCU 5.54/FP 1.26/DPS 2.88 firmware if the issues described here >>>> concern >>>> you. As far as I could tell, all other aspects of the K-Pod worked fine >>>> with K-Pod 1.09 and the current Production K3 firmware versions. >>>> >>>> Ed W0YK >>>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Mike VE3WDM asked: >>>> >>>> Good afternoon, I just connected the K-pod to my K3 for the first time >>>> after >>>> updating the firmware to the latest. I noticed that D4 is always on just >>>> wondering if this is normal? >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to k1ep.list at gmail.com >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jh3sif at sumaq.jp >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ed at w0yk.com From n6axjohn at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 16:31:14 2016 From: n6axjohn at gmail.com (John Klewer) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 13:31:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] CBLP3Y Connections Message-ID: Anyone have the connections in the CBLP3Y cable for the P# PC RS232 plug to RJ45 pins 1, 3 and 6 (they are not identified in the K3S manual? Thanks John, N6AX From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Dec 13 17:01:19 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 14:01:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams & the KX2 In-Reply-To: <000901d25580$58008690$080193b0$@windstream.net> References: <000901d25580$58008690$080193b0$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <4A2E1882-93F6-4900-9793-DC3237AC037B@elecraft.com> Not that a new mobile-only rig wouldn't be a fun design exercise, but? you may want to consider the KX2. I've used mine mobile often, and this was one of our goals for the rig. A KX3 can also be used mobile, though it's larger and more complex. Here's why the KX2 works so well for minimum-fuss mobile: 1. It is about the size of the control heads on many mobile HF radios. 2. A mobile-mount bracket is available for the KX2. The radio weighs well under 1 lb, so you can use a variety of third-party stalks, adapters, etc. to get it onto your dashboard or console. RAM Mounts work great. 3. The radio itself is fully self-contained (10 W, ATU, battery), but you can also pair it with the KXPA100 AMP. The amp will fit in a trunk or under a seat. The amp has its own 100-W ATU option. 4. If you're among The Chosen who do CW mobile, no problem -- you can attach a KXPD2 :) The mobile-mount bracket also allows this. 5. The KX2 has a minimum of controls, and it's easy to use, even mobile. Switches all have tone feedback, including a Morse option. When the Morse option is selected, tapping DISP reports the VFO frequency so you don't have to look at the display. (There's a document available for blind hams detailing how to use the radio.) 6. The KXIO2 option has two general-purpose open-drain relay drive outputs that could be used to select taps on a home-brew multi-band mobile whip. I haven't gotten around to doing this myself, but the firmware already supports it. On a per-band basis, you can set up these two outputs, allowing automatic selection of up to 4 different bands right at the antenna. The ATU does the rest. 7. The KX2 has a singular advantage that no other rig possesses (except for the KX3): When you get to your destination, you can unclip it, take it with you, and still have a hand-held or field-portable 10-watt station with all the trimmings. 73, Wayne N6KR On Dec 13, 2016, at 12:34 PM, "Dick Dickinson" wrote: > Bill - I'm glad you brought this up. > > I've been using the Yaesu FT-857D mobile for a number of years. The number > one thing I appreciate about it is the remote head aspect. It is suitably > sized to sit atop the column of the steering wheel. The controls are all > accessible through the top open half of the steering wheel. Eye deviation > from the roadway is minimal. It does not in my case block information on > the dashboard. > > One consideration that might be a further improvement is a heads up display. > A heads up display is one that reflects off the inside of the windshield > from a top of dashboard mounted display. Controls might still be > incorporated into a unit that could mount atop the steering wheel column or > other convenient location. > > HF Mobile operation is important to me. I notice that Yaesu's new FT-891 > follows the configuration of the 857D (though without 2m and 440MHz) with a > larger display area and an improved menu system. While I enjoy HF mobile, > my perception is that it is on the decline in popularity. I don't see HF > mobile setups unless I'm in the realm of a Hamfest. > > Best, > Dick - KA5KKT > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > A few weeks ago I passed a car with the license WA6HHQ and it > got me to thinking: What if Elecraft made a radio specifically > designed as a mobile radio? Here are some of my ideas: > > It would have a UI designed to minimize driver distraction. This > UI might draw inspiration from the 5 button AM radios of old, > which could tune pre-sets without looking at the radio. > > It would: > Cover 80M-6M with 2M and 70cm being nice additions. > > Be available with 50-100W maximum output > > Have a small control head with a separation cable if necessary. > > Have a "hands free" operation option > > > One intriguing idea would be to use the smartphone interfaces > available in some newer cars to provide the entire radio UI in a > form that is well integrated into the auto console. Or at least > use it as a panadapter display. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Dec 13 17:46:30 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 14:46:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue,12/13/2016 11:49 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > What if Elecraft made a radio specifically designed as a mobile radio? IMO, the KX3 with its 100W amp comes awfully close to being an ideal HF rig for mobile use. All it takes is a suitable mount that puts it at eye level. For something fancier, look at what Glen, W6GJB, did for an op riding shotgun for the 7th Area QSO Party. The 100W amp is in the floor of the back seat. Slide #8 in http://k9yc.com/7QP.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From eric at elecraft.com Tue Dec 13 17:51:04 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 14:51:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams & the KX2 In-Reply-To: <4A2E1882-93F6-4900-9793-DC3237AC037B@elecraft.com> References: <000901d25580$58008690$080193b0$@windstream.net> <4A2E1882-93F6-4900-9793-DC3237AC037B@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <179453eb-5383-f8eb-d4f9-df9c3d7825cc@elecraft.com> Scott from SideKX also has a very nice mobile mount that the KX2 just snaps into. It in turn has holes for the very popular AMP mounting solutions. I'm using this with a KX2 to drive a KXPA100 in my RAV4 (the one Bill, AE6JV - the O.P. passed on the road that made him think about mobile op's :-) It fits perfectly just below my dashboard in the center console. See http://www.gemsproducts.com/product/kx2-mount/ 73, Eric WA6HHQ /elecraft.com ---- / On 12/13/2016 11:49 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > A few weeks ago I passed a car with the license WA6HHQ and it got me to > thinking: What if Elecraft made a radio specifically designed as a mobile > radio? Here are some of my ideas: > > It would have a UI designed to minimize driver distraction. This UI might draw > inspiration from the 5 button AM radios of old, which could tune pre-sets > without looking at the radio. > > It would: > Cover 80M-6M with 2M and 70cm being nice additions. > > Be available with 50-100W maximum output > > Have a small control head with a separation cable if necessary. > > Have a "hands free" operation option > > > One intriguing idea would be to use the smartphone interfaces available in > some newer cars to provide the entire radio UI in a form that is well > integrated into the auto console. Or at least use it as a panadapter display. > > 73 Bill AE6JV From fcady at montana.edu Tue Dec 13 18:11:07 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 23:11:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Macro In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: As Don points out, you have to have the CONFIG:VFO IND set to yes (independent VFOs) to set different bands on different VFOs. Cheers and 73, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com (Macro Programming book coming soon) ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Irwin Darack Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:56 AM To: donwilh at embarqmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-POD Macro I have had no luck in trying a variety of combinations using the Unlink VFO, Split and Sub Band commands in the Macro. I know wonder if you can not create a macro that sends VFO A to one band/frequency and VFO B to another band/Frequency? I am hoping that someone from Elecraft who is responsible for the Macro's can help here before I spend too much more time on this project. Thanks, Irwin KD3TB On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Irwin Darack wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 5:22 PM Don Wilhelm > wrote: > >> Irwin, >> Thanks, Irwin >> >> >> My guess is that you do not have VFO IND turned ON in the menu. >> >> You are trying to set the VFOs to two different bands and that requires >> >> VFO INDependent. See page 37 of the K3 manual for full disclosure. >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> Don W3FPR >> >> >> >> On 12/12/2016 5:07 PM, Irwin Darack wrote: >> >> > I would like to write a WWV Macro that sends VFO A = 20 Mhz and VFO B = >> 15 >> >> > Mhz. >> >> > >> >> > This sends VFO A to 20 Mhz: FA00020000000;MD5;FB00015000000;BW0300; >> >> > But does not send VFO B to 15 Mhz >> >> > >> >> > What am I doing wrong here? >> >> > >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > >> >> -- Irwin KD3TB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 18:26:18 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 23:26:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434204852.3495008.1481671578104@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I use the KX3 in the mobile with a HLA300Plus amplifier and get >200 watts clean into a HI-Q 5-160 screwdriver antenna, going on 3 years, no problems.? Nice, because when I get to the park, I disconnect the KX3 and it is on the park table with my small battery and end fed wire.....? Great fun. BTW., if you go to UTube California Hammin' you can see my mobile set? up, Cheers, Mel, K6KBE From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams On Tue,12/13/2016 11:49 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > What if Elecraft made a radio specifically designed as a mobile radio? IMO, the KX3 with its 100W amp comes awfully close to being an ideal HF rig for mobile use. All it takes is a suitable mount that puts it at eye level. For something fancier, look at what Glen, W6GJB, did for an op riding shotgun for the 7th Area QSO Party. The 100W amp is in the floor of the back seat. Slide #8 in http://k9yc.com/7QP.pdf 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From w0agmike at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 18:33:00 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:33:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange K3S/0 Mini Noise Message-ID: Since starting to use my K3/0 I've been bugged by a "buzz" coming from the speakers that I haven't been able to identify. Turning the volume up overrides the noise, but it's still there. I've tried 3 different power supplies with no change, including the one supplied by Elecraft. Here's a recording of what I'm hearing: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19721057/Files/Voice%20004.m4a If anyone has any insight about what to try differently, I'd certainly appreciate hearing it. 73, Mike - W0AG From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 13 18:56:25 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 18:56:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange K3S/0 Mini Noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <840965ee-e43a-8101-455a-0ccd3d5732c4@embarqmail.com> Mike, That sounds like hum, buzz and noise being picked up by the connecting cables. I would suggest that you follow Jim Brown's K9YC advice on bonding. With heavy wire or braid, bond the various boxes following the path(s) of the interconnecting cables and coax. The bonding will conduct that noise onto the outside of the various enclosures instead of allowing the cable shields to conduct that noise into the boxes and onto the ground plane. In days of old when connectors were mounted directly on the enclosure, this sort of thing was not a problem - noise pickup on the cable shields was conducted onto the outside of the enclosures and did not pose a problem. In today's world, the shields of interconnecting cables are connected directly to the ground plane inside the box containing the circuits (pin 1 problem), and any noise picked up by the cable shield is transmitted to the circuit ground plane. The bonding routes much of that noise onto the outside of the enclosure and keeps it away from the circuits inside the box. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/13/2016 6:33 PM, Mike Murray wrote: > Since starting to use my K3/0 I've been bugged by a "buzz" coming from the > speakers that I haven't been able to identify. Turning the volume up > overrides the noise, but it's still there. I've tried 3 different power > supplies with no change, including the one supplied by Elecraft. Here's a > recording of what I'm hearing: > From w0agmike at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 19:10:47 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 17:10:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange K3S/0 Mini Noise In-Reply-To: <840965ee-e43a-8101-455a-0ccd3d5732c4@embarqmail.com> References: <840965ee-e43a-8101-455a-0ccd3d5732c4@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, Thanks for the quick response and I suspect you are correct. The shack here resembles more than one octopus - I've got my work cut out for me. I've read and saved many of Jim's excellent articles so I'll review them again and start there. 73, Mike On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Mike, > > That sounds like hum, buzz and noise being picked up by the connecting > cables. > > I would suggest that you follow Jim Brown's K9YC advice on bonding. > With heavy wire or braid, bond the various boxes following the path(s) of > the interconnecting cables and coax. The bonding will conduct that noise > onto the outside of the various enclosures instead of allowing the cable > shields to conduct that noise into the boxes and onto the ground plane. > > In days of old when connectors were mounted directly on the enclosure, > this sort of thing was not a problem - noise pickup on the cable shields > was conducted onto the outside of the enclosures and did not pose a problem. > In today's world, the shields of interconnecting cables are connected > directly to the ground plane inside the box containing the circuits (pin 1 > problem), and any noise picked up by the cable shield is transmitted to the > circuit ground plane. The bonding routes much of that noise onto the > outside of the enclosure and keeps it away from the circuits inside the box. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 12/13/2016 6:33 PM, Mike Murray wrote: > >> Since starting to use my K3/0 I've been bugged by a "buzz" coming from the >> speakers that I haven't been able to identify. Turning the volume up >> overrides the noise, but it's still there. I've tried 3 different power >> supplies with no change, including the one supplied by Elecraft. Here's a >> recording of what I'm hearing: >> >> From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 13 19:23:42 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:23:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange K3S/0 Mini Noise In-Reply-To: References: <840965ee-e43a-8101-455a-0ccd3d5732c4@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <0331d99f-cc72-3289-60c0-abb276011e62@embarqmail.com> Mike, Even though it may be complex, follow the paths of the audio and RF cables - what box connects to what other box - that defines the bonding path. Do NOT use a star grounding system, it can actually make matters worse. The hamshack of today is much different than those of prior times, and the old solutions for grounding and bonding do not work well today. We used to have a microphone/key to the transmitter and then to a tuner, and then to an antenna. Today's hamshack involves computers, soundcards, and remote control boxes as well as other miscellaneous gear, so the situation has changed. In addition to the Pin 1 problem, the chances for pickup of hum, buzz and noise is increased 10 fold. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/13/2016 7:10 PM, Mike Murray wrote: > Don, > > Thanks for the quick response and I suspect you are correct. The > shack here resembles more than one octopus - I've got my work cut out > for me. I've read and saved many of Jim's excellent articles so I'll > review them again and start there. > > 73, > Mike > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Don Wilhelm > wrote: > > Mike, > > That sounds like hum, buzz and noise being picked up by the > connecting cables. > > I would suggest that you follow Jim Brown's K9YC advice on bonding. > With heavy wire or braid, bond the various boxes following the > path(s) of the interconnecting cables and coax. The bonding will > conduct that noise onto the outside of the various enclosures > instead of allowing the cable shields to conduct that noise into > the boxes and onto the ground plane. > > In days of old when connectors were mounted directly on the > enclosure, this sort of thing was not a problem - noise pickup on > the cable shields was conducted onto the outside of the enclosures > and did not pose a problem. > In today's world, the shields of interconnecting cables are > connected directly to the ground plane inside the box containing > the circuits (pin 1 problem), and any noise picked up by the cable > shield is transmitted to the circuit ground plane. The bonding > routes much of that noise onto the outside of the enclosure and > keeps it away from the circuits inside the box. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 12/13/2016 6:33 PM, Mike Murray wrote: > > Since starting to use my K3/0 I've been bugged by a "buzz" > coming from the > speakers that I haven't been able to identify. Turning the > volume up > overrides the noise, but it's still there. I've tried 3 > different power > supplies with no change, including the one supplied by > Elecraft. Here's a > recording of what I'm hearing: > > From w6jhb at me.com Tue Dec 13 19:53:00 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:53:00 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi Message-ID: <75441C33-5268-42A5-A44B-D07F7FDBD395@me.com> I?ve been using my KX3 connected to a Raspberry Pi 3 for quite some time, using CQRlog for logging, FLDIGI for PSK31, and recently, WXJT-X rc3 for JT9 and JT65. I?d like to load the most current firmware into the KX3 so I can get the full 15 watts out. I downloaded and un-tar?d the KX3 Utility from the Elecraft web site. So - now what? If I click on the ?kx3util? executable, nothing happens. What is the secret procedure to get this going? I am using the Raspian Jessie (Debian Linux) OS on this RPi. Thanks, Jim / W6JHB Folsom, CA ?What?s the difference between a carpenter and a woodworker? About 1/8 inch!" From nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com Tue Dec 13 20:15:33 2016 From: nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com (Niel Skousen) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 18:15:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi In-Reply-To: <75441C33-5268-42A5-A44B-D07F7FDBD395@me.com> References: <75441C33-5268-42A5-A44B-D07F7FDBD395@me.com> Message-ID: I've been using Mike t on a Dell e4200. I seem to recall is wa the 32bit compatibility lib's. Elecraft's SW is built ( if I recall) as 32bit apps. Will ping you seperately offline for some questions. Thanks Niel WA7SSA Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 13, 2016, at 17:53, James Bennett wrote: > > I?ve been using my KX3 connected to a Raspberry Pi 3 for quite some time, using CQRlog for logging, FLDIGI for PSK31, and recently, WXJT-X rc3 for JT9 and JT65. I?d like to load the most current firmware into the KX3 so I can get the full 15 watts out. I downloaded and un-tar?d the KX3 Utility from the Elecraft web site. So - now what? If I click on the ?kx3util? executable, nothing happens. What is the secret procedure to get this going? I am using the Raspian Jessie (Debian Linux) OS on this RPi. > > Thanks, Jim / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > > ?What?s the difference between a carpenter and a woodworker? About 1/8 inch!" > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nskousen at talisman-intl.com From nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com Tue Dec 13 20:17:43 2016 From: nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com (Niel Skousen) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 18:17:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi In-Reply-To: References: <75441C33-5268-42A5-A44B-D07F7FDBD395@me.com> Message-ID: <42DF2D51-A537-47E0-818B-1FEBD7F96988@ecsecurityinc.com> Duh Mint... Niel Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 13, 2016, at 18:15, Niel Skousen wrote: > > I've been using Mike t on a Dell e4200. I seem to recall is wa the 32bit compatibility lib's. Elecraft's SW is built ( if I recall) as 32bit apps. > > Will ping you seperately offline for some questions. > > Thanks > > Niel > WA7SSA > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 13, 2016, at 17:53, James Bennett wrote: >> >> I?ve been using my KX3 connected to a Raspberry Pi 3 for quite some time, using CQRlog for logging, FLDIGI for PSK31, and recently, WXJT-X rc3 for JT9 and JT65. I?d like to load the most current firmware into the KX3 so I can get the full 15 watts out. I downloaded and un-tar?d the KX3 Utility from the Elecraft web site. So - now what? If I click on the ?kx3util? executable, nothing happens. What is the secret procedure to get this going? I am using the Raspian Jessie (Debian Linux) OS on this RPi. >> >> Thanks, Jim / W6JHB >> Folsom, CA >> >> ?What?s the difference between a carpenter and a woodworker? About 1/8 inch!" >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nskousen at talisman-intl.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Dec 13 20:23:28 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 17:23:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi In-Reply-To: <5c99aed6-f64e-e755-635e-a9af12c0d02d@socal.rr.com> References: <5c99aed6-f64e-e755-635e-a9af12c0d02d@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <5bf804d9-a072-a3e4-2617-3761da0923d4@socal.rr.com> Jim, The Elecraft site http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/KX3_software.htm *Minimum Operating System Requirements for Elecraft Utilities:* *Microsoft Windows*: XP Service Pack 3 or later, including Vista, 7, 8, and 8.1. *Apple Mac:* OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) or later *X86-based Linux:* GTK+ 2.8 or later, glibc-2.4, libstdc++.so.6 and cURL. 64-bit Linux requires 32-bit compatibility libraries. My thinking is that your RPi3 is not running X86-based Linux -- and/or .... 73, Phil W7OX On 12/13/16 4:53 PM, James Bennett wrote: > I?ve been using my KX3 connected to a Raspberry Pi 3 for quite some time, using CQRlog for logging, FLDIGI for PSK31, and recently, WXJT-X rc3 for JT9 and JT65. I?d like to load the most current firmware into the KX3 so I can get the full 15 watts out. I downloaded and un-tar?d the KX3 Utility from the Elecraft web site. So - now what? If I click on the ?kx3util? executable, nothing happens. What is the secret procedure to get this going? I am using the Raspian Jessie (Debian Linux) OS on this RPi. > > Thanks, Jim / W6JHB > Folsom, CA From kg1gem at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 21:16:45 2016 From: kg1gem at gmail.com (Tim Elwell) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:16:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi In-Reply-To: <5bf804d9-a072-a3e4-2617-3761da0923d4@socal.rr.com> References: <5c99aed6-f64e-e755-635e-a9af12c0d02d@socal.rr.com> <5bf804d9-a072-a3e4-2617-3761da0923d4@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: The utility is compiled for the x86 architecture. You won't be able to run it on the ARM architecture that the Pi runs on. The only way to do that is for Elecraft to compile a version for the ARM. Last I seem to recall being mentioned, there wasn't enough need to spend the time setting up the tool chain and dependencies for the ARM platform. It would be time best spent fixing other problems. I'm a Pi person myself and would like to see it for that platform, but do understand as a programmer the difficulties of the extra support required for another platform. And a small company has to watch their employee capital. Here's hoping for the future, though. Tim KG1GEM PS: Sorry Jim, I realized I mistakenly replied directly to you and not the list originally. On 12/13/16 7:53 PM, James Bennett wrote: > I?ve been using my KX3 connected to a Raspberry Pi 3 for quite some > time, using CQRlog for logging, FLDIGI for PSK31, and recently, WXJT-X > rc3 for JT9 and JT65. I?d like to load the most current firmware into > the KX3 so I can get the full 15 watts out. I downloaded and un-tar?d > the KX3 Utility from the Elecraft web site. So - now what? If I click > on the ?kx3util? executable, nothing happens. What is the secret > procedure to get this going? I am using the Raspian Jessie (Debian > Linux) OS on this RPi. > > From etksubs at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 21:19:50 2016 From: etksubs at gmail.com (E T) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:19:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Amp Hours In-Reply-To: <20161213.125316.14814.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com> References: <20161213.125316.14814.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <71063AA1-B015-4440-A41C-AB0769E6B432@gmail.com> Which is why I suggested it be configurable. :-) Thanks and 73, Erik Tkal - W1QED > On Dec 13, 2016, at 1:53 PM, John AE5X wrote: > > I disagree - some of us use rechargeable batteries both internally and externally. And sometimes both at the same time. > > John AE5X > http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ > __________________________ > It would be *really* nice if this could be configured to only increment when using the internal battery, as that is the best indicator as to whether it needs charging or not. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Finally a Cheap Way to Track Your Car > Smarter Life Advice > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/585043db46ab043db4e93st01vuc > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to etksubs at gmail.com From w6jhb at me.com Tue Dec 13 22:28:40 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:28:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi In-Reply-To: References: <5c99aed6-f64e-e755-635e-a9af12c0d02d@socal.rr.com> <5bf804d9-a072-a3e4-2617-3761da0923d4@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <470EAEFD-C7E8-4747-9798-B5419301EA90@me.com> Ah, crud - you know, I saw that "x86-based Linux? statement and it never dawned on me about the Pi being ARM-based!!! I should have known that, as I went through a ton of hoops getting WSJT-X and Hamlib running on the RPi because of that issue. In both instances I had to compile from source. Once the dependencies were addressed, the compilation process went well, although sloooooow. Well, I suppose Elecraft doesn?t provide source for the utility, so I guess I?ve got to pull the cable off the RPi and over to my iMac and run the Utility over there on OSX. Not cool, dang it. Oh well? Thanks for everyone?s input. 73 and Happy Holidays, Jim / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Tuesday, Dec 13, 2016, at Tuesday, 6:16 PM, Tim Elwell wrote: > > The utility is compiled for the x86 architecture. You won't be able to run it on the ARM architecture that the Pi runs on. The only way to do that is for Elecraft to compile a version for the ARM. Last I seem to recall being mentioned, there wasn't enough need to spend the time setting up the tool chain and dependencies for the ARM platform. It would be time best spent fixing other problems. > > I'm a Pi person myself and would like to see it for that platform, but do understand as a programmer the difficulties of the extra support required for another platform. And a small company has to watch their employee capital. > > Here's hoping for the future, though. > > Tim > KG1GEM > > PS: Sorry Jim, I realized I mistakenly replied directly to you and not the list originally. > > > On 12/13/16 7:53 PM, James Bennett wrote: >> I?ve been using my KX3 connected to a Raspberry Pi 3 for quite some time, using CQRlog for logging, FLDIGI for PSK31, and recently, WXJT-X rc3 for JT9 and JT65. I?d like to load the most current firmware into the KX3 so I can get the full 15 watts out. I downloaded and un-tar?d the KX3 Utility from the Elecraft web site. So - now what? If I click on the ?kx3util? executable, nothing happens. What is the secret procedure to get this going? I am using the Raspian Jessie (Debian Linux) OS on this RPi. >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com James Bennett w6jhb at me.com From n4lg at qx.net Tue Dec 13 23:29:40 2016 From: n4lg at qx.net (Bill Cotter) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 23:29:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: New-in-Box PR6 $49 shipped Message-ID: OK, down a few notches to $49. Any takers before it goes to the 'Bay? I have for sale a new-in-box (unused) PR6 6M preamp for the K3. I converted the transceiver over to the PR6/10/12 and this item is surplus to my needs. The PR6 E850347 6M preamp comes with two 31-218-RFX male-to-male BNC adapters, and the E85034B power cable assembly. $49 shipped CONUS 73 Bill N4LG ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n4lg at qx.net From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Dec 14 01:59:06 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:59:06 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams & the KX2 Message-ID: <201612140659.uBE6x7wA030315@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> I'm sure either KX2 or KX3 are great rigs for mobile. I'm using the KX3 + KXPA-100 in my new truck on 80m/20m/6m/2m: http://www.kl7uw.com/Mobile.htm Using combo of Proclip dash bracket and Ram holder it mounts just below dash level facing the driver or can be rotated to shotgun seat! http://www.kl7uw.com/New_Rover_2.jpg Listen for my on the road this summer in the lower-48 (APRS). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From gdanner12 at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 09:37:34 2016 From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (Gmail - George) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 09:37:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill, I use a KX3 with the KXPA mounted on the lid of the cargo box in the pick-up bed. Antenna is mounted on the other side of the lid. The "separation" cable works perfectly. My KX3 is mounded to a pole from the passenger seat bolt just above the center consol. I find this location ok, but do not tune while driving. I agree that a P3 would force my curiosity away from the road! My system seems to work well, although I do need the noise blanker & noise reduction on a 10 mile stretch of road going to town - I assume it is a power line issue. Maybe the KX2 would be a better choice; but it wasn't out when I bought my KX3. 73 George AI4VZ -----Original Message----- From: Bill Frantz A few weeks ago I passed a car with the license WA6HHQ and it got me to thinking: What if Elecraft made a radio specifically designed as a mobile radio? Here are some of my ideas: From jf.va2ss at icloud.com Wed Dec 14 14:56:41 2016 From: jf.va2ss at icloud.com (=?utf-8?Q?Jean-Fran=C3=A7ois_M=C3=A9nard?=) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:56:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SteppIR controller with K3S+P3 Message-ID: Hi everyone! I am a happy new owner of a brand new K3S and a P3, and everything is working quite well. Now, I would like to connect my SteppIR SDA-100 antenna controller to the K3S. I would like to be able to not use the computer to control the antenna controller. Any suggestion from a few hams with similar setup as mine on how to use the SDA-100 without the needs of a computer? My guess is I should do a Y cable between the connector labeled PC behind the P3 by using only the PIN 2 and 5 then thru the SDA-100 ??? 73 de Jeff | VA2SS __________________________________________ Jeff | VA2SS Jean-Fran?ois M?nard jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com www.VA2SS.com Message envoy? ? partir de mon appareil mobile. Message sent from my portable device. From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net Wed Dec 14 14:59:36 2016 From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net ('DGB') Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 13:59:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FS KPA500 & KAT500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12945cc7-bf6a-cbcf-4975-2f06c0e669eb@Bayland.net> Elecraft KPA500 - Bought new as a kit 8/01/2012 s/n 0971 - assembled by myself. Includes KPAK3AUX KPA to K3 Aux Cable and PWR-US240 US 240V Power Cord. Latest firmware installed, cosmetically good, operates full output. No issues, also includes manuals and spare fuses. Elecraft KAT500 - Bought new 11/20/2012 s/n 0439. Includes KXUSB USB Interface Cable, E850463 KAT500 to KPA500 cable, and 12v power cable with powerpoles. No issues, also includes manual. At this time prefer to sell both together for $2300 and prefer local pick-up in NE Wisconsin near Green Bay or willing to meet somewhere within 1-2 hour drive. Pictures available. I will accept cash, Paypal, USPS Money Order or a Bank's Cashier Check. Contact me at ns9i2016 at bayland.net or my cell-phone at 92o-246-o46o Note: Please do not reply to this on the list. From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Dec 14 15:07:07 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 12:07:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams & the KX2 Message-ID: Wayne suggests the KX2 and KX3 as mobile rigs, and Jim pointed to a really nice installation for use by the passenger. They are both viable solutions. However, they do have some problems. I see mobile rigs being used in 3 ways: (1) Campground rigs for use when the vehicle is stopped. Here you can add radials to the antenns and a K3(s) would be wonderful. (2) Operated by a passenger in motion, and (3) Operated by the driver in motion. The driver distraction issues only apply to this last use case. By way of background, I have installed two mobil rigs. I have a Yaesu FTM-30 in my Miata. It was chosen because it could replace the stock AM/FM broadcast band radio, freeing up space to install it. (There's not much space in a Miata.) It transmits on 2M and 70cm, which covers local communications, but doesn't do HF or 6M. Its UI is a fine example of what NOT to do in a mobile UI. The other rig was an Icom 706 in a Toyota 4Runner, which has recently gone to the great crusher in the sky. We now have a brand new Subaru Forester which needs a radio, so I am in the market. The KX2 is missing 6M and 2M which means I will need a second radio for 2M (and 70cm). I could blow off operating on 6M, but I got a lot of use out of 6M in the last VHF contest as a rover. My KX3 has 6M and can be upgraded to have 2M, but it is a bit big for the available space in the console. (The remote head for the 706 fits reasonably well, but the receiver on the 706 isn't super good. In any case, our local ARES/RACES group uses 70cm -- it's the way to hit the local repeater from the hospital EOC since 2M doesn't work -- so 70cm is almost a requirement. Good as these radios are, their UI is not ideal from a driver distraction point of view. There are several button presses to recall a frequency memory, and there is not an obvious "hands free" solution for California drivers. All in all, I could see myself ending up with a KX2 and a VHF/UHF radio to be named later. But I dream of a more integrated solution. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | I like the farmers' market | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | because I can get fruits and | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | vegetables without stickers. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From dick at elecraft.com Wed Dec 14 15:28:34 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 12:28:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SteppIR controller with K3S+P3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01d25648$a55152d0$eff3f870$@elecraft.com> I googled "stepper y cable" and found these. Maybe the other "hits" will be of use as well. http://www.steppir.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Y-Cable.pdf http://www.steppir.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Transceiver-Interface-Operation-5-28-09.pdf Have fun! 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jean-Fran?ois M?nard Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:57 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] SteppIR controller with K3S+P3 Hi everyone! I am a happy new owner of a brand new K3S and a P3, and everything is working quite well. Now, I would like to connect my SteppIR SDA-100 antenna controller to the K3S. I would like to be able to not use the computer to control the antenna controller. Any suggestion from a few hams with similar setup as mine on how to use the SDA-100 without the needs of a computer? My guess is I should do a Y cable between the connector labeled PC behind the P3 by using only the PIN 2 and 5 then thru the SDA-100 ??? 73 de Jeff | VA2SS __________________________________________ Jeff | VA2SS Jean-Fran?ois M?nard jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com www.VA2SS.com Message envoy? ? partir de mon appareil mobile. Message sent from my portable device. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From w0mu at w0mu.com Wed Dec 14 16:02:51 2016 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:02:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SteppIR controller with K3S+P3 In-Reply-To: <000b01d25648$a55152d0$eff3f870$@elecraft.com> References: <000b01d25648$a55152d0$eff3f870$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <3bc484e4-1b80-c031-4425-5182310d6469@w0mu.com> Even with a Y cable from SteppIR the controller only listens to the signals. It does not ask for anything. So you have to have something that is sending out polling data regularly, which is why you need the computer. Alternatively if you us a Microham controller there is a good chance you can buy their Ilink cable and hook it into the SteppIR and you are set. The Microham will also defeat you Xmitting while the antenna is moving. W0MU On 12/14/2016 1:28 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote: > I googled "stepper y cable" and found these. Maybe the other "hits" will be of use as well. > > http://www.steppir.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Y-Cable.pdf > > http://www.steppir.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Transceiver-Interface-Operation-5-28-09.pdf > > Have fun! > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jean-Fran?ois M?nard > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:57 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] SteppIR controller with K3S+P3 > > Hi everyone! > > I am a happy new owner of a brand new K3S and a P3, and everything is working quite well. > > Now, I would like to connect my SteppIR SDA-100 antenna controller to the K3S. I would like to be able to not use the computer to control the antenna controller. > > Any suggestion from a few hams with similar setup as mine on how to use the SDA-100 without the needs of a computer? > > My guess is I should do a Y cable between the connector labeled PC behind the P3 by using only the PIN 2 and 5 then thru the SDA-100 ??? > > 73 de Jeff | VA2SS > > __________________________________________ > Jeff | VA2SS > Jean-Fran?ois M?nard > > jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com > www.VA2SS.com > > Message envoy? ? partir de mon appareil mobile. > Message sent from my portable device. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com From dick at elecraft.com Wed Dec 14 16:21:35 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 13:21:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] SteppIR controller with K3S+P3 In-Reply-To: <3bc484e4-1b80-c031-4425-5182310d6469@w0mu.com> References: <000b01d25648$a55152d0$eff3f870$@elecraft.com> <3bc484e4-1b80-c031-4425-5182310d6469@w0mu.com> Message-ID: <001901d25650$0d186280$27492780$@elecraft.com> You can configure the K3 to provide frequency information on its serial port as you QSY. It's a configuration menu setting "auto info". 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W0MU Mike Fatchett Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 13:03 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SteppIR controller with K3S+P3 Even with a Y cable from SteppIR the controller only listens to the signals. It does not ask for anything. So you have to have something that is sending out polling data regularly, which is why you need the computer. Alternatively if you us a Microham controller there is a good chance you can buy their Ilink cable and hook it into the SteppIR and you are set. The Microham will also defeat you Xmitting while the antenna is moving. W0MU On 12/14/2016 1:28 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote: > I googled "stepper y cable" and found these. Maybe the other "hits" will be of use as well. > > http://www.steppir.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Y-Cable.pdf > > http://www.steppir.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Transceiver-Interfac > e-Operation-5-28-09.pdf > > Have fun! > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Jean-Fran?ois M?nard > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:57 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] SteppIR controller with K3S+P3 > > Hi everyone! > > I am a happy new owner of a brand new K3S and a P3, and everything is working quite well. > > Now, I would like to connect my SteppIR SDA-100 antenna controller to the K3S. I would like to be able to not use the computer to control the antenna controller. > > Any suggestion from a few hams with similar setup as mine on how to use the SDA-100 without the needs of a computer? > > My guess is I should do a Y cable between the connector labeled PC behind the P3 by using only the PIN 2 and 5 then thru the SDA-100 ??? > > 73 de Jeff | VA2SS > > __________________________________________ > Jeff | VA2SS > Jean-Fran?ois M?nard > > jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com > www.VA2SS.com > > Message envoy? ? partir de mon appareil mobile. > Message sent from my portable device. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > dick at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > w0mu at w0mu.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From jd at ko8v.net Wed Dec 14 16:24:31 2016 From: jd at ko8v.net (Joe DeVincentis) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:24:31 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] SteppIR controller with K3S+P3 In-Reply-To: <3bc484e4-1b80-c031-4425-5182310d6469@w0mu.com> References: <000b01d25648$a55152d0$eff3f870$@elecraft.com> <3bc484e4-1b80-c031-4425-5182310d6469@w0mu.com> Message-ID: <86DF9160-87FC-4D8D-8636-E71CAD0B1EBD@ko8v.net> I have a KX3 hooked to a SteppIR controller. All I had to do was create a Y cable to go from radio to the computer and the SteppIR controller. I hooked up to the SteppIRs Data In port (IIRC). The computer connection was for control of the KX3 (not the SteppIR). The KX3 was programmed to send out its frequency, the SteppIR setup to receive the Kenwood protocol and set for AutoTrack. When frequency changes, the SteppIR adjusts the antenna. I could even run the this setup with the computer turned off and the SteppIR would change frequency right along with the rig. So no computer, no other controller, to have the KX3 control the SteppIR. Joe KO8V > On Dec 14, 2016, at 3:02 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > > Even with a Y cable from SteppIR the controller only listens to the signals. It does not ask for anything. So you have to have something that is sending out polling data regularly, which is why you need the computer. > > Alternatively if you us a Microham controller there is a good chance you can buy their Ilink cable and hook it into the SteppIR and you are set. The Microham will also defeat you Xmitting while the antenna is moving. > > W0MU > > > On 12/14/2016 1:28 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote: >> I googled "stepper y cable" and found these. Maybe the other "hits" will be of use as well. >> >> http://www.steppir.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Y-Cable.pdf >> >> http://www.steppir.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Transceiver-Interface-Operation-5-28-09.pdf >> >> Have fun! >> >> 73 de Dick, K6KR >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jean-Fran?ois M?nard >> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:57 >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] SteppIR controller with K3S+P3 >> >> Hi everyone! >> >> I am a happy new owner of a brand new K3S and a P3, and everything is working quite well. >> >> Now, I would like to connect my SteppIR SDA-100 antenna controller to the K3S. I would like to be able to not use the computer to control the antenna controller. >> >> Any suggestion from a few hams with similar setup as mine on how to use the SDA-100 without the needs of a computer? >> >> My guess is I should do a Y cable between the connector labeled PC behind the P3 by using only the PIN 2 and 5 then thru the SDA-100 ??? >> >> 73 de Jeff | VA2SS >> >> __________________________________________ >> Jeff | VA2SS >> Jean-Fran?ois M?nard >> >> jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com >> www.VA2SS.com >> >> Message envoy? ? partir de mon appareil mobile. >> Message sent from my portable device. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jd at ko8v.net From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Dec 14 19:56:50 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:56:50 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams & the KX2 Message-ID: <201612150058.uBF0vvQg007873@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Bill, Good ideas for mobiling. I am addressing some of that in this post: I like the KX3 because of the versatility of the radio and because with addition of the 2M module I have 160m-2m all mode operation. I originally bought a K3/10 since I was mainly going to run VHF and up using transverters so high power on HF was a luxury to add later. As it turned out the KXPA-100 serves both my K3 and KX3 equally well. In setting up my truck for extended travel, ham radio operation, I installed a new dual-band FM mobile radio which separates control panel from radio so it can be installed under the backseat (Ford conveniently provides as a lockable storage area). I have the 50w FM mobile, a 160w 2m linear, and the KXPA-100 installed there (I can remove the KXPA-100 for use at home with my K3). The KX3 sits in a RAM bracket so it fairly easy to remove for use in our trailer in a campground in the evening. After some thought, I added two extra coax lines coming out of the cab which can either connect to antenna or to coax extensions to the trailer so the amps and antennas in the truck can be used by the KX3 sitting on dining table in the trailer. I installed a metal plate for five coax feedthru connectors for bringing out coax lines from a hole under the cab floor. Three go to antennas on the cab roof and two are spare for running to trailer or whatever. The HF antenna mounts in corner of the bed and has its own coax run. Trailers all come with 12v wiring and outlets these days which is sufficient for the KX3. Only issue that remains is whether I want to add a separate battery for the radios as running down the truck battery at night is not cool. Of course I could run the diesel engine but not very efficient way to keep charge on the battery. Trailer will have a generator so maybe hooking up a battery charger is an option to separate battery? Headset with boom mic or just a boom mic for a ball cap as my hearing aids have bluetooth. KX3 audio will go to sync. Some stuff to figure out after using it a bit. I figure I will mostly operate from right seat while my wife drives which should reduce some of the issues. Driving with a 30-foot trailer is 100% job so distraction is to be avoided. We will run 144.39-APRS so you can track us on the web whenever we are in range of digipeaters and Igates. 73, Ed - KL7UW From: Bill Frantz To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams & the KX2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Wayne suggests the KX2 and KX3 as mobile rigs, and Jim pointed to a really nice installation for use by the passenger. They are both viable solutions. However, they do have some problems. I see mobile rigs being used in 3 ways: (1) Campground rigs for use when the vehicle is stopped. Here you can add radials to the antenns and a K3(s) would be wonderful. (2) Operated by a passenger in motion, and (3) Operated by the driver in motion. The driver distraction issues only apply to this last use case. By way of background, I have installed two mobil rigs. I have a Yaesu FTM-30 in my Miata. It was chosen because it could replace the stock AM/FM broadcast band radio, freeing up space to install it. (There's not much space in a Miata.) It transmits on 2M and 70cm, which covers local communications, but doesn't do HF or 6M. Its UI is a fine example of what NOT to do in a mobile UI. The other rig was an Icom 706 in a Toyota 4Runner, which has recently gone to the great crusher in the sky. We now have a brand new Subaru Forester which needs a radio, so I am in the market. The KX2 is missing 6M and 2M which means I will need a second radio for 2M (and 70cm). I could blow off operating on 6M, but I got a lot of use out of 6M in the last VHF contest as a rover. My KX3 has 6M and can be upgraded to have 2M, but it is a bit big for the available space in the console. (The remote head for the 706 fits reasonably well, but the receiver on the 706 isn't super good. In any case, our local ARES/RACES group uses 70cm -- it's the way to hit the local repeater from the hospital EOC since 2M doesn't work -- so 70cm is almost a requirement. Good as these radios are, their UI is not ideal from a driver distraction point of view. There are several button presses to recall a frequency memory, and there is not an obvious "hands free" solution for California drivers. All in all, I could see myself ending up with a KX2 and a VHF/UHF radio to be named later. But I dream of a more integrated solution. 73 Bill AE6JV 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Dec 14 20:39:08 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 20:39:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi In-Reply-To: <75441C33-5268-42A5-A44B-D07F7FDBD395@me.com> References: <75441C33-5268-42A5-A44B-D07F7FDBD395@me.com> Message-ID: James, Having been a professional woodworker for 10 years I disagree. The difference between a woodworker and a carpenter is 1/64 of an inch. 1/8 of an inch is sloppy measurement and while that is sufficient for carpenters doing framing, it is not sufficient for finish carpenters and woodworkers who do precision work. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/13/2016 7:53 PM, James Bennett wrote: > ?What?s the difference between a carpenter and a woodworker? About 1/8 inch!" From kk1w.jim at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 20:41:02 2016 From: kk1w.jim at gmail.com (KK1W) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:41:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] SteppIR controller with K3S+P3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1481766062299-7624664.post@n2.nabble.com> This may help: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/How-to-interface-SteppIR-controller-to-K3S-when-using-USB-for-PC-connection-td7605673.html Is been working fine for over a year now. I don't have a P3 but it should get you started down the right path. Jim/KK1W -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/SteppIR-controller-with-K3S-P3-tp7624655p7624664.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n7dxtango at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 22:16:54 2016 From: n7dxtango at gmail.com (Gary Watson) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 20:16:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KAT2 Tuner Message-ID: Hello, I am looking for a KAT2 internal tuner for my K2. I would prefer an unbuilt kit, but a completed one would be fine too. Thanks very much Gary N7DXT From dave.w0zf at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 22:54:16 2016 From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 03:54:16 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams & the KX2 In-Reply-To: <201612150058.uBF0vvQg007873@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201612150058.uBF0vvQg007873@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: Ed, I would love to know more about how you mounted that plate to get the coax feed throughs out of the cab of your Ford. I have a 2015 F-150.... The thing has so many electronic gadgets and power accessories that I'm leery of drilling holes just anywhere. I've been contemplating a similar mobile HF setup.... Have looked at several possibilities, but the KX3 and KXPA-100 are pretty intriguing. On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 6:58 PM Edward R Cole wrote: > Bill, > > Good ideas for mobiling. I am addressing some of that in this post: > > I like the KX3 because of the versatility of the radio and because > with addition of the 2M module I have 160m-2m all mode operation. I > originally bought a K3/10 since I was mainly going to run VHF and up > using transverters so high power on HF was a luxury to add later. As > it turned out the KXPA-100 serves both my K3 and KX3 equally well. > > In setting up my truck for extended travel, ham radio operation, I > installed a new dual-band FM mobile radio which separates control > panel from radio so it can be installed under the backseat (Ford > conveniently provides as a lockable storage area). I have the 50w FM > mobile, a 160w 2m linear, and the KXPA-100 installed there (I can > remove the KXPA-100 for use at home with my K3). > > The KX3 sits in a RAM bracket so it fairly easy to remove for use in > our trailer in a campground in the evening. After some thought, I > added two extra coax lines coming out of the cab which can either > connect to antenna or to coax extensions to the trailer so the amps > and antennas in the truck can be used by the KX3 sitting on dining > table in the trailer. I installed a metal plate for five coax > feedthru connectors for bringing out coax lines from a hole under the > cab floor. Three go to antennas on the cab roof and two are spare > for running to trailer or whatever. The HF antenna mounts in corner > of the bed and has its own coax run. > > Trailers all come with 12v wiring and outlets these days which is > sufficient for the KX3. Only issue that remains is whether I want to > add a separate battery for the radios as running down the truck > battery at night is not cool. Of course I could run the diesel > engine but not very efficient way to keep charge on the > battery. Trailer will have a generator so maybe hooking up a battery > charger is an option to separate battery? > > Headset with boom mic or just a boom mic for a ball cap as my hearing > aids have bluetooth. KX3 audio will go to sync. Some stuff to > figure out after using it a bit. I figure I will mostly operate from > right seat while my wife drives which should reduce some of the > issues. Driving with a 30-foot trailer is 100% job so distraction is > to be avoided. > > We will run 144.39-APRS so you can track us on the web whenever we > are in range of digipeaters and Igates. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > > From: Bill Frantz > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams & the KX2 > Message-ID: > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Wayne suggests the KX2 and KX3 as mobile rigs, and Jim pointed > to a really nice installation for use by the passenger. They are > both viable solutions. However, they do have some problems. > > I see mobile rigs being used in 3 ways: (1) Campground rigs for > use when the vehicle is stopped. Here you can add radials to the > antenns and a K3(s) would be wonderful. (2) Operated by a > passenger in motion, and (3) Operated by the driver in motion. > The driver distraction issues only apply to this last use case. > > By way of background, I have installed two mobil rigs. I have a > Yaesu FTM-30 in my Miata. It was chosen because it could replace > the stock AM/FM broadcast band radio, freeing up space to > install it. (There's not much space in a Miata.) It transmits on > 2M and 70cm, which covers local communications, but doesn't do > HF or 6M. Its UI is a fine example of what NOT to do in a mobile UI. > > The other rig was an Icom 706 in a Toyota 4Runner, which has > recently gone to the great crusher in the sky. We now have a > brand new Subaru Forester which needs a radio, so I am in the market. > > The KX2 is missing 6M and 2M which means I will need a second > radio for 2M (and 70cm). I could blow off operating on 6M, but I > got a lot of use out of 6M in the last VHF contest as a rover. > My KX3 has 6M and can be upgraded to have 2M, but it is a bit > big for the available space in the console. (The remote head for > the 706 fits reasonably well, but the receiver on the 706 isn't > super good. In any case, our local ARES/RACES group uses 70cm -- > it's the way to hit the local repeater from the hospital EOC > since 2M doesn't work -- so 70cm is almost a requirement. > > Good as these radios are, their UI is not ideal from a driver > distraction point of view. There are several button presses to > recall a frequency memory, and there is not an obvious "hands > free" solution for California drivers. > > All in all, I could see myself ending up with a KX2 and a > VHF/UHF radio to be named later. But I dream of a more > integrated solution. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > Dubus-NA Business mail: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave.w0zf at gmail.com > From jwebsterlsu at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 23:48:57 2016 From: jwebsterlsu at gmail.com (John W Webster) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 20:48:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Nets Message-ID: You are invited to check-in to the weekly Elecraft User SSB Net at 18:00z (UTC) on 14.303.5 on Sundays. Here are the lists of checkins for the last three weeks, sent by Eric WB9JNZ the regular net control station from IL Look forward to having you check-in to the net, 73 John, N6JW Elecraft SSB Net 11-27-16 W7QHD Kurt AZ KX3 8697 AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 ZL1PWD Peter New Zealand K3 139 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 WD5M David OK K3 6493 KG6KIC Russ TX K2 7181 1ST time check in N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318 W5MLM Mark TX KX3 8673 QRP K6SAB Steve CA K3 7497 KG6VDW John NV KX3 8046 K7BRR Bill AZ K3S 10939 W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 KF7JZH Ron ID KX3 2262 QRP KE7FSD Al AZ K3 8532 QRP K6VWE Stan MI K3 650 W2RWA Dick NY K3 2603 W0CZ Ken ND K3S 10329 W7REK Glenn AZ K3 2843 W7QHD Kurt AZ KX3 8697 AD5XM Wallace LA K3 5956 K5S (KG5LBP) Tom TX KX2 1167 KC9USC Robert IL KX3 4460 Elecraft SSB Net 12-4-16 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 Net Control N2LRB Jose NY Icom 7100 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 ZL1PWD Peter New Zealand K3 139 W2RWA Dick NY K3 2603 K1NW Brian RI K3 4974 KB8HMR Laurel SD ICOM 7300 1ST time check in KJ4ZSI Bud FL K3 4703 1ST time check in NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 W7SVR Bob AZ K3 343 KI7SVG Robert MT IC 7600 1ST time check in KS6F Guy CA K3S 10660 1ST time check in AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 W7REK Glenn AZ K3 2843 VA6PPY Mike WY ICOM 7100 W8OV Dave TX KX3 3139 KD8HAV Norm IN KENWOOD 130S K6SBA David CA K3 565 K7JGG John WA KX3 3519 N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318 KJ6PTX Roland CA KX3 8590 KB2OEV Bob NY K2 3924 1ST time check in K5VR Bill TX K3 4003 1ST time check in Elecraft SSB Net 12-11-16 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 6516 operating from W9GG?S QTH N6JW John CA K3936 W5MLM Mark TX KX3 8673 QRP KM4OSB Gerry VA ICOM RADIO K2WNW David NY CLANSMAN BACKPACK RADIO 30watts NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 K1NW Brian RI K3 4874 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 N2TNQ Len NJ K3 5270 N6IE Ron CA K3/K0 (remote) 6727 1st time check in NA5C Steve TX K3S 10121 W2LRB Jose NY FLEX 6300 K6SAB Steve CA K3 7497 AE6JV Bill CA K3 2299 KJ4ZSI Bud FL K3 4703 ZL1PWD Peter New Zealand K3 139 W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 AC3SS Sergio MD KX3 KX3 5673 N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318 W1GO Joe NY K3S 10389 K8NU Carl OH K3S 10966 K0LJW Joe CO KX3 1092 QRP W7JJL John WA KX3 993 QRP W7QHD Kurt AZ KX3 8697 VE6HBS Brian Alberta K3S 10007 AD0HT Zach CO KX3 5843 QRP N0NB Nate KS K3 4762 W7QHD Kurt AZ KX3 8697 From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com Thu Dec 15 05:11:48 2016 From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 10:11:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 152, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <282f21bd-4f3a-689a-16f9-668e31fd5ebb@googlemail.com> On 14/12/16 22:26, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:53:00 -0800 > From: James Bennett > To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi > Message-ID: <75441C33-5268-42A5-A44B-D07F7FDBD395 at me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I?ve been using my KX3 connected to a Raspberry Pi 3 for quite some time, using CQRlog for logging, FLDIGI for PSK31, and recently, WXJT-X rc3 for JT9 and JT65. I?d like to load the most current firmware into the KX3 so I can get the full 15 watts out. I downloaded and un-tar?d the KX3 Utility from the Elecraft web site. So - now what? If I click on the ?kx3util? executable, nothing happens. What is the secret procedure to get this going? I am using the Raspian Jessie (Debian Linux) OS on this RPi. > > Thanks, Jim / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > > ?What?s the difference between a carpenter and a woodworker? About 1/8 inch!" As Tim KG1GEM says... You'd need to build the KX3 utility from source to run on the Pi. The reason? The Pi uses an ARM CPU, not an x86 architecture device, that the pre-compiled KX3 utility is built for. Perhaps the util' author could cross compile it, or perhaps someone donate a Pi to him, so he can build a version on it or somehow persuade him/Elecraft to make the sources available to the community. I think the latter will not happen sadly, as I suspect there is some "secret sauce" in there regarding firmware transfer methods and protocols etc. The other way would be for it to be rebuilt as a "Java" application, then it'd run on just about any platform that supports the Java Runtime Engine (JRE.) That is not a trivial undertaking, especially as it needs to use serial, (aka COM) ports to tallk to external hardware. (Note: Java is *not* the same as Javascript, that browsers use. Plus, it is possible indeed desirable to disable any/all browsers ability to launch a "Java" app.) I believe there is a usable JRE for the Pi, but not tried it myself. 73. Dave G0WBX. From n3ikq at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 07:32:59 2016 From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 12:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] [Trade] My KX2 for your KXPA-100? References: <1942380305.3657111.1481805179945.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1942380305.3657111.1481805179945@mail.yahoo.com> ?Not so much interested in the tuner option. Contact me off list to discuss. Thanks. Rick From ka5y at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 09:08:54 2016 From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 07:08:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] [Trade] My KX2 for your KXPA-100? In-Reply-To: <1942380305.3657111.1481805179945@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1942380305.3657111.1481805179945@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1481810934050-7624670.post@n2.nabble.com> I have one with tuner. What does your kx2 include? Some how I was unable to reply off list? My email ka5y at yahoo or 903-451-3180 Tex ka5y -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-Trade-My-KX2-for-your-KXPA-100-tp7624669p7624670.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ka5y at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 09:10:09 2016 From: ka5y at yahoo.com (ka5y at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 14:10:09 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] [Trade] My KX2 for your KXPA-100? Message-ID: <1153904626.26694.1481810994605.JavaMail.administrator@mjim.nabble.com> ?Not so much interested in the tuner option. Contact me off list to discuss. Thanks. Rick ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lists+1215531472858-365791 at n2.nabble.com Quoted from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-Trade-My-KX2-for-your-KXPA-100-tp7624669.html _____________________________________ Sent from http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com From Gary at ka1j.com Thu Dec 15 12:38:06 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 12:38:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote on/off of the K3 Message-ID: <5852D4FE.14678.5135BE51@Gary.ka1j.com> On one of the lists I'm on, one of the guys asked the following question & I have no answer for him. ---------------- "Dear friends, I am using K3 for remote operation. Recently we experience the increase? of power failures here in Ukraine. Despite of having 7AH battery as a PS buffer, sometimes when the electricity is off for a long time, K3 is switched OFF. This requires the trip to the remote site. Is there an easy way to remotely switch K3 on and OFF through the serial port? Does a software exists that is dealing with this. I was trying to find the K3 menu item that will enable switching K3 back ON when electricity is restored (like in all computer motherboards)? but could not. Would appreciate the assistance." ---------------------------- If this can be done, is there a link or info I can get to him to help him out? Thanks, Gary KA1J From wa6nhc at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 12:55:17 2016 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 09:55:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote on/off of the K3 In-Reply-To: <5852D4FE.14678.5135BE51@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5852D4FE.14678.5135BE51@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <2a7b9932-5f8e-1652-c6ef-f877d3dc7ee8@gmail.com> Here is the answer that I sent him: My entire K line is managed by a computer. I use a USB board with a pair of relays (only need one) and some specific software (shortcut on the desktop) to tickle the ACC line to turn the K3 on when I am remote operating. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5v-usb-relay-2-channel-programmable-computer-control-for-smart-home-new-s3-/121792206668?hash=item1c5b61974c:g:rY8AAOSwYHxWJT7L is one example. The software is at: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tzngxi28uqune65/USBRelay.zip?dl=0 And naturally since I put this together, I've not had a power failure. 73, Rick On 12/15/2016 9:38 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > On one of the lists I'm on, one of the > guys asked the following question & I have > no answer for him. > > ---------------- > "Dear friends, > I am using K3 for remote operation. > Recently we experience the increase > of power failures here in Ukraine. > Despite of having 7AH battery as a PS > buffer, sometimes when the > electricity is off for a long time, K3 is > switched OFF. > This requires the trip to the remote site. > Is there an easy way to remotely switch K3 > on and OFF through the serial > port? Does a software exists that is > dealing with this. > > I was trying to find the K3 menu item that > will enable switching K3 back > ON when electricity is restored (like in > all computer motherboards) but > could not. > Would appreciate the assistance." > ---------------------------- > > > If this can be done, is there a link or > info I can get to him to help him out? > > Thanks, > > Gary > KA1J > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6nhc at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 15 13:32:16 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 13:32:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote on/off of the K3 In-Reply-To: <5852D4FE.14678.5135BE51@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5852D4FE.14678.5135BE51@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: Gary, The way to remotely turn the K3 ON is to pull the ACC connector pin 8 to ground (ACC pin 5 or 12). See Remote Power On in the manual. There is a command to turn the K3 OFF in the K3 Programmer's Reference, but when powered off, the serial port is not powered, so it could not respond to any power on command. Unlike computer motherboards, everything in the K3 is turned off (except the batery powered real time clock). 73, Don W3FPR On 12/15/2016 12:38 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > On one of the lists I'm on, one of the > guys asked the following question & I have > no answer for him. > > ---------------- > "Dear friends, > I am using K3 for remote operation. > Recently we experience the increase > of power failures here in Ukraine. > Despite of having 7AH battery as a PS > buffer, sometimes when the > electricity is off for a long time, K3 is > switched OFF. > This requires the trip to the remote site. > Is there an easy way to remotely switch K3 > on and OFF through the serial > port? Does a software exists that is > dealing with this. > > I was trying to find the K3 menu item that > will enable switching K3 back > ON when electricity is restored (like in > all computer motherboards) but > could not. > Would appreciate the assistance." From ctate at ewnetinc.com Thu Dec 15 13:34:01 2016 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 18:34:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] hand/footswitch keying for KX2 Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD12932B32@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Greetings to the Elecraft brain trust. I am in the process of putting a couple of Island expedition kits together. The KX2 fits the bill in the TOTAL portability grab and go kit department. I have a question for the brain trust while I try and pull an entire parts inventory for my mini kit. What is the preferred method for hooking up a foot switch or small hand switch to the little guy? I am trying to remember what I did with the KX3, I think there was an amp cable that I was able to key via an RCA plug. Is it the same deal with this? is there another way of doing it? Want to be able to use a headset/boom mic, sometimes Caribbean beaches can get a bit noise with chatter and such.. Just curious what the solutions are out there.. and I am sure there is probably more than one. Chris N6WM From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Dec 15 13:41:21 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 10:41:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] hand/footswitch keying for KX2 In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD12932B32@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD12932B32@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: <355545B5-CCC0-45DA-A7FA-97F3866A9FF7@wunderwood.org> A simple stereo to mono splitter on the mic connector will split out the mic and PTT. It also give you a cleaner source for the mic bias. Details here: https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/ wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 15, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote: > > Greetings to the Elecraft brain trust. I am in the process of putting a couple of Island expedition kits together. The KX2 fits the bill in the TOTAL portability grab and go kit department. I have a question for the brain trust while I try and pull an entire parts inventory for my mini kit. > > What is the preferred method for hooking up a foot switch or small hand switch to the little guy? I am trying to remember what I did with the KX3, I think there was an amp cable that I was able to key via an RCA plug. Is it the same deal with this? is there another way of doing it? Want to be able to use a headset/boom mic, sometimes Caribbean beaches can get a bit noise with chatter and such.. > > Just curious what the solutions are out there.. and I am sure there is probably more than one. > > Chris > N6WM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From ctate at ewnetinc.com Thu Dec 15 13:44:47 2016 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 18:44:47 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] hand/footswitch keying for KX2 In-Reply-To: <355545B5-CCC0-45DA-A7FA-97F3866A9FF7@wunderwood.org> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD12932B32@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>, <355545B5-CCC0-45DA-A7FA-97F3866A9FF7@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD12932B9F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Perfect thats exactly what I was looking for. ~Chris N6WM ________________________________ From: Walter Underwood [wunder at wunderwood.org] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 10:41 AM To: Chris Tate - N6WM; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] hand/footswitch keying for KX2 A simple stereo to mono splitter on the mic connector will split out the mic and PTT. It also give you a cleaner source for the mic bias. Details here: https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/ wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On Dec 15, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM > wrote: Greetings to the Elecraft brain trust. I am in the process of putting a couple of Island expedition kits together. The KX2 fits the bill in the TOTAL portability grab and go kit department. I have a question for the brain trust while I try and pull an entire parts inventory for my mini kit. What is the preferred method for hooking up a foot switch or small hand switch to the little guy? I am trying to remember what I did with the KX3, I think there was an amp cable that I was able to key via an RCA plug. Is it the same deal with this? is there another way of doing it? Want to be able to use a headset/boom mic, sometimes Caribbean beaches can get a bit noise with chatter and such.. Just curious what the solutions are out there.. and I am sure there is probably more than one. Chris N6WM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Dec 15 15:16:06 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:16:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote on/off of the K3 In-Reply-To: <5852D4FE.14678.5135BE51@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5852D4FE.14678.5135BE51@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: PWR ON is on the Acc2 port. Needs someway to ground the pin to turn ON the K3. Internet to relay, telephone to relay. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 15, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > > On one of the lists I'm on, one of the > guys asked the following question & I have > no answer for him. > > ---------------- > "Dear friends, > I am using K3 for remote operation. > Recently we experience the increase > of power failures here in Ukraine. > Despite of having 7AH battery as a PS > buffer, sometimes when the > electricity is off for a long time, K3 is > switched OFF. > This requires the trip to the remote site. > Is there an easy way to remotely switch K3 > on and OFF through the serial > port? Does a software exists that is > dealing with this. > > I was trying to find the K3 menu item that > will enable switching K3 back > ON when electricity is restored (like in > all computer motherboards) but > could not. > Would appreciate the assistance." > ---------------------------- > > > If this can be done, is there a link or > info I can get to him to help him out? > > Thanks, > > Gary > KA1J > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From mails at qrp4fun.de Thu Dec 15 15:32:37 2016 From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:32:37 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KAT2 Tuner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <055560ac-7efb-cfb2-cc5a-82990d840b7a@qrp4fun.de> Hello Gary, > I am looking for a KAT2 internal tuner for my K2. I would prefer an > unbuilt kit, but a completed one would be fine too. The boys from Elecraft have so many kits that they have to sell them even. ;o) 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power! www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 15:46:40 2016 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 20:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KAT2 Tuner In-Reply-To: <055560ac-7efb-cfb2-cc5a-82990d840b7a@qrp4fun.de> References: <055560ac-7efb-cfb2-cc5a-82990d840b7a@qrp4fun.de> Message-ID: If you're looking for an inbuilt kit, better to source it directly from Elecraft, that way you get warranty and support if there are parts missing, you have trouble getting it to work, etc..? 73, Matt VK2RQ On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:33 AM +1100, "Ingo Meyer, DK3RED" wrote: Hello Gary, > I am looking for a KAT2 internal tuner for my K2. I would prefer an > unbuilt kit, but a completed one would be fine too. The boys from Elecraft have so many kits that they have to sell them even. ;o) 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power! www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From Robin at rmoseley.co.uk Thu Dec 15 16:18:02 2016 From: Robin at rmoseley.co.uk (Robin Moseley) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:18:02 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote on/off of the K3 In-Reply-To: <2a7b9932-5f8e-1652-c6ef-f877d3dc7ee8@gmail.com> References: <5852D4FE.14678.5135BE51@Gary.ka1j.com> <2a7b9932-5f8e-1652-c6ef-f877d3dc7ee8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <82FE1B5E310F4E028608724B26DC389D@HPi72> That zip file looks familiar.. Rick ;) de G1MHU Robin -----Original Message----- From: Rick WA6NHC Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 5:55 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remote on/off of the K3 Here is the answer that I sent him: My entire K line is managed by a computer. I use a USB board with a pair of relays (only need one) and some specific software (shortcut on the desktop) to tickle the ACC line to turn the K3 on when I am remote operating. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5v-usb-relay-2-channel-programmable-computer-control-for-smart-home-new-s3-/121792206668?hash=item1c5b61974c:g:rY8AAOSwYHxWJT7L is one example. The software is at: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tzngxi28uqune65/USBRelay.zip?dl=0 And naturally since I put this together, I've not had a power failure. 73, Rick From ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca Thu Dec 15 16:52:21 2016 From: ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca (Mike Smith VE9AA) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 17:52:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams & the KX2 Message-ID: <000501d2571d$83ed70d0$8bc85270$@nbnet.nb.ca> I run mobile. Have for decades. The past ~5 yrs have been with a Yaesu FT-857D and a MINI COOPER. As much as I love my K3 *(and my other radios), if my Yaesu mobile rig died tomorrow, there is nothing at Elecraft that could replace it for even CLOSE to the price I could find another 857D for. The main attraction of the FT-857D for me is, as others have pointed out, the remote head. Mine is on a post in a cup holder. Secondarily, 100W, and also 6m and MAYBE 2m. I never use 70cm, but have on occasion used a 2m repeater (once a year perhaps) and every summer, work 6m Es from the car. If Elecraft were to come out with a KX3-250, I might buy it. (A KX3 with small piggy back amp of 250w) but it would have to be at a price point I could afford. Keep in mind, I am in Canada, so I end up paying nearly double for every product from our Southern neighbours. (not quite, but close) A recent big dollar order from a major ham supplier south of the border ended up being about 1.7x the original price (in my dollars) by the time it was in my house. I am anxious to buy another mobile rig, but need the remote head, 100w and at least 6m...and not sky high pricing ! J (hi) Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB From k9yeq at live.com Thu Dec 15 19:16:54 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 00:16:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams & the KX2 In-Reply-To: <000501d2571d$83ed70d0$8bc85270$@nbnet.nb.ca> References: <000501d2571d$83ed70d0$8bc85270$@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: Mike, if affordable I would do a KX3 with the outboard amp. I had no love of the pathetic 857. I went to an IC7000 which was superior. The Elecraft products blew the doors off for me and sold the IC7000. I do not use mobile anymore due XYL preferences. I can do the Elecraft portable now (use the KX2 with fishing rod and HWEF antennas and find the operation more intuitive and of better quality on the receiving end. The other end with Elecraft work. Elecraft to Elecraft is the best to cut through many issues. From end to end for a contact, I am agnostic :-)! My new love is using digital from living room set up with KX3 at the side of the couch. Sure beats the stuff my wife likes to watch on TV and the KXPD3 is noiseless with minimal spacing and contact pressure. :-) 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Smith VE9AA Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 3:52 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams & the KX2 I run mobile. Have for decades. The past ~5 yrs have been with a Yaesu FT-857D and a MINI COOPER. As much as I love my K3 *(and my other radios), if my Yaesu mobile rig died tomorrow, there is nothing at Elecraft that could replace it for even CLOSE to the price I could find another 857D for. The main attraction of the FT-857D for me is, as others have pointed out, the remote head. Mine is on a post in a cup holder. Secondarily, 100W, and also 6m and MAYBE 2m. I never use 70cm, but have on occasion used a 2m repeater (once a year perhaps) and every summer, work 6m Es from the car. If Elecraft were to come out with a KX3-250, I might buy it. (A KX3 with small piggy back amp of 250w) but it would have to be at a price point I could afford. Keep in mind, I am in Canada, so I end up paying nearly double for every product from our Southern neighbours. (not quite, but close) A recent big dollar order from a major ham supplier south of the border ended up being about 1.7x the original price (in my dollars) by the time it was in my house. I am anxious to buy another mobile rig, but need the remote head, 100w and at least 6m...and not sky high pricing ! J (hi) Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Dec 15 21:00:02 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 18:00:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams & the KX2 In-Reply-To: <000501d2571d$83ed70d0$8bc85270$@nbnet.nb.ca> References: <000501d2571d$83ed70d0$8bc85270$@nbnet.nb.ca> Message-ID: On Thu,12/15/2016 1:52 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote: > I am anxious to buy another mobile rig, but need the remote head, 100w and > at least 6m...and not sky high pricing You should look more closely at the KX3 -- it works quite nicely as a remote head for the power amp, which can include an antenna tuner and can sit anywhere. My old buddy K9IKZ fit a KX3 into an existing opening in the dash of his Volvo or Audi sedan. Wiring between the KX3 and 100W amp is coax, power, and CAT5. Good 2M rigs are cheap. Even buy something used. The KX3 with the 100W amp is a superb 6M rig, with a very good preamp built-in. If you're only going to use the rig in the car, buy it without the internal battery charger and QRP tuner. How much of that cost difference is currency, how much is shipping? I think Elecraft sells direct to VE; if so, there's no middleman to get his. I do know that shipping US to/from VE can be quite expensive -- my XYL buys art supplies in VE7, so expensive that she carries them home in her luggage when she's there for a workshop. Don't know why. 73, Jim K9YC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 16 09:26:36 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 09:26:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Alumni question Message-ID: <03f6317a-4bdb-4a10-b772-f573cb8ef0db@embarqmail.com> Hi, I am wondering how many others on this reflector are part of the Case Tech Alumni or for the "younger ones" CWRU Alumni. I have recently had email exchanges with a couple hams who are active in the Case amateur radio station W8EDU. 73, Don W3FPR From fcady at montana.edu Fri Dec 16 11:05:43 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 16:05:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Macros that need to be executed twice Message-ID: Some folks have observed that sometimes a macro need to be executed twice in order for it to reach the desired end state. VE3YT and I have a theory on what may be causing that and would like some test cases. So if you have a macro that doesn't seem to work reliably or needs to be run twice, could you please send it along to me. We'll let you know what we find out. Cheers, Fred KE7X From wa4aip at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 12:50:17 2016 From: wa4aip at gmail.com (John Altman) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 11:50:17 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Message-ID: I just acquired a used KPA500 that has the prior owners call sign embedded in the start up firmware. How do I remove this call sign and replace with my call? Utility? Tks, John From doug at k0dxv.com Fri Dec 16 13:07:50 2016 From: doug at k0dxv.com (Doug Person) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 11:07:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi In-Reply-To: <470EAEFD-C7E8-4747-9798-B5419301EA90@me.com> References: <5c99aed6-f64e-e755-635e-a9af12c0d02d@socal.rr.com> <5bf804d9-a072-a3e4-2617-3761da0923d4@socal.rr.com> <470EAEFD-C7E8-4747-9798-B5419301EA90@me.com> Message-ID: <4190075d-d24d-0543-5eec-33154cb2cd50@k0dxv.com> I'm a big Pi fan myself. So if adding my voice provides any additional influence - here it is. I'm also a programmer and I agree there is extra work involved. If the utility was open source, then volunteers could join in and manage the tool chain and build. I would certainly be happy to make a contribution. The Raspberry Pi is a very hot platform that gets more and more capable with each new board. Version 3 is quite amazing. I can hardly tell I'm running on a little ARM box. It's power is the result of the advances in mobile platforms, so the future for these little computers is very bright. Doug -- K0DXV On 12/13/2016 8:28 PM, James Bennett wrote: > Ah, crud - you know, I saw that "x86-based Linux? statement and it never dawned on me about the Pi being ARM-based!!! I should have known that, as I went through a ton of hoops getting WSJT-X and Hamlib running on the RPi because of that issue. In both instances I had to compile from source. Once the dependencies were addressed, the compilation process went well, although sloooooow. Well, I suppose Elecraft doesn?t provide source for the utility, so I guess I?ve got to pull the cable off the RPi and over to my iMac and run the Utility over there on OSX. Not cool, dang it. Oh well? > > Thanks for everyone?s input. > > 73 and Happy Holidays, Jim / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > > >> On Tuesday, Dec 13, 2016, at Tuesday, 6:16 PM, Tim Elwell wrote: >> >> The utility is compiled for the x86 architecture. You won't be able to run it on the ARM architecture that the Pi runs on. The only way to do that is for Elecraft to compile a version for the ARM. Last I seem to recall being mentioned, there wasn't enough need to spend the time setting up the tool chain and dependencies for the ARM platform. It would be time best spent fixing other problems. >> >> I'm a Pi person myself and would like to see it for that platform, but do understand as a programmer the difficulties of the extra support required for another platform. And a small company has to watch their employee capital. >> >> Here's hoping for the future, though. >> >> Tim >> KG1GEM >> >> PS: Sorry Jim, I realized I mistakenly replied directly to you and not the list originally. >> >> >> On 12/13/16 7:53 PM, James Bennett wrote: >>> I?ve been using my KX3 connected to a Raspberry Pi 3 for quite some time, using CQRlog for logging, FLDIGI for PSK31, and recently, WXJT-X rc3 for JT9 and JT65. I?d like to load the most current firmware into the KX3 so I can get the full 15 watts out. I downloaded and un-tar?d the KX3 Utility from the Elecraft web site. So - now what? If I click on the ?kx3util? executable, nothing happens. What is the secret procedure to get this going? I am using the Raspian Jessie (Debian Linux) OS on this RPi. >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com > James Bennett > w6jhb at me.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to doug at k0dxv.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 16 13:09:35 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 13:09:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3af3b121-c8ff-3b7e-5f61-e790ec5ddc92@embarqmail.com> John, Yes, you should be able to edit the power on message with KPA500 Utility. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/16/2016 12:50 PM, John Altman wrote: > I just acquired a used KPA500 that has the prior owners call sign embedded > in the start up firmware. > > How do I remove this call sign and replace with my call? Utility? From idarack at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 13:46:31 2016 From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 13:46:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Small Keyboard Recommendation for P3/SVGA Message-ID: I am looking for a small keyboard recommendation for the P3/SVGA. I already have it working with a large keyboard. Would like to find a mini keyboard instead to save room on my Ham Shack Self. Does Elecraft have a list of compatible Keyboards? Logitec, Microsoft? etc. Thanks and regards, -- Irwin KD3TB From k1ep.list at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 13:55:33 2016 From: k1ep.list at gmail.com (Ed K1EP) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 13:55:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Small Keyboard Recommendation for P3/SVGA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Will it work with a wireless keyboard? On Dec 16, 2016 1:47 PM, "Irwin Darack" wrote: > I am looking for a small keyboard recommendation for the P3/SVGA. I already > have it working with a large keyboard. Would like to find a mini keyboard > instead to save room on my Ham Shack Self. > > Does Elecraft have a list of compatible Keyboards? > > Logitec, Microsoft? etc. > > Thanks and regards, > > -- > Irwin KD3TB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k1ep.list at gmail.com > From ny9h at arrl.net Fri Dec 16 14:07:25 2016 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:07:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Radio Dreams & the KX2 In-Reply-To: <4A2E1882-93F6-4900-9793-DC3237AC037B@elecraft.com> References: <000901d25580$58008690$080193b0$@windstream.net> <4A2E1882-93F6-4900-9793-DC3237AC037B@elecraft.com> Message-ID: having used a 706 for YEARS.... in my VW... i tried the kx3 mounting it in the lower console down by the handbrake, BETWEEN THE SEATS where the 706 head was. The KX3 with the mic/pwr/ctl lines out the left and the BNC out the right, doesn't fit ..too wide. However the KX2 fits even with that BNC . I had considered taking off the KX3 BNC and putting an sma on the left side with the other required connections, with that teflon version of 174. Enter the KX2, I made a small tray with the 3d printer. So the kx2 can snap in/out. The rear / bottom of the mount has a large cutout for the audio to get out. And the 'mount' to the car also has a audio funnel. The KX2 seems to be much louder than the KX3... I do not even need an external speaker....and my vw sportwagen is loud inside ( road noise)) I slide the kxpa100 under my front seat, where it can be removed easily, only issue i have , system on power up keeps reverting back to amp off... This week .... was working a guy on 80, I checked and the amp was on only to discover MUCH LATER the power was set to 5 watts....I wish it would retain amp on and the power. maybe something I am doing wrong... eventually i'll get some good pictures KX2 W/ AMP GETS MY MOBILE VOTE From idarack at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 14:15:47 2016 From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:15:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Small Keyboard Recommendation for P3/SVGA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do not want wireless. I will be plugging the Keyboard into the USB Keyboard on the back of the P3/SVGA . Irwin KD3TB On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Ed K1EP wrote: > Will it work with a wireless keyboard? > > On Dec 16, 2016 1:47 PM, "Irwin Darack" wrote: > >> I am looking for a small keyboard recommendation for the P3/SVGA. I >> already >> have it working with a large keyboard. Would like to find a mini >> keyboard >> instead to save room on my Ham Shack Self. >> >> Does Elecraft have a list of compatible Keyboards? >> >> Logitec, Microsoft? etc. >> >> Thanks and regards, >> >> -- >> Irwin KD3TB >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k1ep.list at gmail.com >> > -- Irwin KD3TB From dl1sdz at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 14:22:40 2016 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 20:22:40 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [Kx3] Feature request: AUTO INF:RIG CTRL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, When turning on the Auto inf: Rig Ctrl Could a switch be implemented so that the audio output is not muted. I use the Kx3 to controll the Kx2 and would like to hear both Kxs on different antennas. Thanks for considering 73 de Hajo dl1sdz --- Cela est bien dit, ...,mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri Dec 16 14:24:59 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:24:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Macros that need to be executed twice Message-ID: HiFor your information..there are various reasons a macro needs to be sent twice to be effective. One is that radios appear to be "deaf" after a band change when in fact the band has not yet actually been changed. ?This can effect more than just a macro. For example the WSJT-X application will change bands when you select a different one than you are currently using and it will immediately follow this command with a command to read the frequency. ?In all cases it shows the previous frequency but instead of waiting, it issues a mode change to data-a anyways with the result that the mode ends up being incorrect. There are other cases where macros that change something in a menu can take quite some time to actually execute with the result that subsequent commands make it do the wrong thing.?The best way around some these issues would be if Elecraft would add a delay command to their API that would not be ignored. But the best solution is for software such as the Elecraft utilities or other third party software to have a built in delay command that would slow down delivery of a multi command macros. 100 to 1000ms would be enough.That being said there are one or two commands that always need to be repeated no matter what the delay.73 Tom?www.va2fsq.com Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: "Cady, Fred" Date: 2016-12-16 11:05 AM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Cc: Vic DiCiccio Subject: [Elecraft] Macros that need to be executed twice Some folks have observed that sometimes a macro need to be executed twice in order for it to reach the desired end state.? VE3YT and I have a theory on what may be causing that and would like some test cases.? So if you have a macro that doesn't seem to work reliably or needs to be run twice, could you please send it along to me. We'll let you know what we find out. Cheers, Fred KE7X ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 14:48:19 2016 From: K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com (K5MWR) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 13:48:19 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Macros that need to be executed twice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is one example that includes both K3 and P3 commands to set up for JT-65 on 40M. BN03;FA00007076000;MD6;DT0;PC030;BW0400;FT0;SB0;#MKA1;#MFA+00007077000;#MKB1;#MFB+00007078000;#SPN000050;#CTF+00007077750; On 12/16/2016 10:05 AM, Cady, Fred wrote: > Some folks have observed that sometimes a macro need to be executed twice in order for it to reach the desired end state. VE3YT and I have a theory on what may be causing that and would like some test cases. So if you have a macro that doesn't seem to work reliably or needs to be run twice, could you please send it along to me. > > We'll let you know what we find out. > > Cheers, > > Fred KE7X > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k5mwr_vna at yahoo.com > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri Dec 16 15:01:37 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:01:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Macros that need to be executed twice Message-ID: HiThe first 4 commands are almost exactly what WSJT-X issues. The band change probably is not finished before all the rest of the commands come along.In addition, issuing of P3 commands in a macro are particularly at risk.Have you ever noticed that a QSy on a marker using the P3 buttons didn't work the first time? I'm not sure this still happens but there was a bug in the P3 / K3 command chain that corrupted some data. I believe it's been fixed but if not that may be a reason.?Some of these problems do not show up if the program in use has a dedicated control of the radio. But the developers should not assume this today. Many people use multiple apps.It would be great if Elecraft would just add a DL command with a millisecond parameter to all their utilities. ?Many problems would be solved.73 Tom?www.va2fsq.com? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: K5MWR via Elecraft Date: 2016-12-16 2:48 PM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Macros that need to be executed twice Here is one example that includes both K3 and P3 commands to set up for JT-65 on 40M. BN03;FA00007076000;MD6;DT0;PC030;BW0400;FT0;SB0;#MKA1;#MFA+00007077000;#MKB1;#MFB+00007078000;#SPN000050;#CTF+00007077750; On 12/16/2016 10:05 AM, Cady, Fred wrote: > Some folks have observed that sometimes a macro need to be executed twice in order for it to reach the desired end state.? VE3YT and I have a theory on what may be causing that and would like some test cases.? So if you have a macro that doesn't seem to work reliably or needs to be run twice, could you please send it along to me. > > We'll let you know what we find out. > > Cheers, > > Fred KE7X > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k5mwr_vna at yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 15:09:28 2016 From: K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com (K5MWR) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:09:28 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Small Keyboard Recommendation for P3/SVGA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f3d656e-9eeb-e5cb-3338-2085dadcb03b@yahoo.com> Irwin I have found that a wireless keyboard works very well, just plug the wireless dongle into the P3 and then you have something you can move around. I use a TECKNET SKU:X315 that I found on Amazon and it works very well. Dave K5MWR On 12/16/2016 1:15 PM, Irwin Darack wrote: > Do not want wireless. I will be plugging the Keyboard into the USB Keyboard > on the back of the P3/SVGA . > > Irwin KD3TB > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Ed K1EP wrote: > >> Will it work with a wireless keyboard? >> >> On Dec 16, 2016 1:47 PM, "Irwin Darack" wrote: >> >>> I am looking for a small keyboard recommendation for the P3/SVGA. I >>> already >>> have it working with a large keyboard. Would like to find a mini >>> keyboard >>> instead to save room on my Ham Shack Self. >>> >>> Does Elecraft have a list of compatible Keyboards? >>> >>> Logitec, Microsoft? etc. >>> >>> Thanks and regards, >>> >>> -- >>> Irwin KD3TB >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k1ep.list at gmail.com >>> > From k1ep.list at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 15:30:35 2016 From: k1ep.list at gmail.com (Ed K1EP) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:30:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Small Keyboard Recommendation for P3/SVGA In-Reply-To: <6f3d656e-9eeb-e5cb-3338-2085dadcb03b@yahoo.com> References: <6f3d656e-9eeb-e5cb-3338-2085dadcb03b@yahoo.com> Message-ID: thanks I have a JETech wireless keyboard that I will try. It is very thin and compact. On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 3:09 PM, K5MWR via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Irwin > > I have found that a wireless keyboard works very well, just plug the > wireless dongle into the P3 and then you have something you can move around. > > I use a TECKNET SKU:X315 that I found on Amazon and it works very well. > > Dave K5MWR > > > > > On 12/16/2016 1:15 PM, Irwin Darack wrote: > >> Do not want wireless. I will be plugging the Keyboard into the USB >> Keyboard >> on the back of the P3/SVGA . >> >> Irwin KD3TB >> >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Ed K1EP wrote: >> >> Will it work with a wireless keyboard? >>> >>> On Dec 16, 2016 1:47 PM, "Irwin Darack" wrote: >>> >>> I am looking for a small keyboard recommendation for the P3/SVGA. I >>>> already >>>> have it working with a large keyboard. Would like to find a mini >>>> keyboard >>>> instead to save room on my Ham Shack Self. >>>> >>>> Does Elecraft have a list of compatible Keyboards? >>>> >>>> Logitec, Microsoft? etc. >>>> >>>> Thanks and regards, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Irwin KD3TB >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to k1ep.list at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k1ep.list at gmail.com > From ron at cobi.biz Fri Dec 16 15:35:49 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 12:35:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Small Keyboard Recommendation for P3/SVGA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000e01d257db$fd368a30$f7a39e90$@biz> I use an Anker A7723. Full size keys without number pad and other extra keys, so the keyboard is 11" by 4.75". It's a 2.4 GHz wireless (not Bluetooth) with a little unit that plugs into the P3 so no wires. There is a list of Elecraft recommended keyboards here (they work with the P3 too): http://www.elecraft.com/manual/px3_keyboard_list_A3.pdf 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ed K1EP Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:56 AM To: Irwin Darack Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small Keyboard Recommendation for P3/SVGA Will it work with a wireless keyboard? On Dec 16, 2016 1:47 PM, "Irwin Darack" wrote: > I am looking for a small keyboard recommendation for the P3/SVGA. I > already have it working with a large keyboard. Would like to find a > mini keyboard instead to save room on my Ham Shack Self. > > Does Elecraft have a list of compatible Keyboards? > > Logitec, Microsoft? etc. > > Thanks and regards, > > -- > Irwin KD3TB From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Dec 16 16:31:38 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 16:31:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71A35159-3E83-4449-9B5B-0134C95943A2@widomaker.com> Utility. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 16, 2016, at 12:50 PM, John Altman wrote: > > I just acquired a used KPA500 that has the prior owners call sign embedded > in the start up firmware. > > How do I remove this call sign and replace with my call? Utility? > > Tks, > > John > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Dec 16 16:33:39 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 16:33:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi In-Reply-To: <4190075d-d24d-0543-5eec-33154cb2cd50@k0dxv.com> References: <5c99aed6-f64e-e755-635e-a9af12c0d02d@socal.rr.com> <5bf804d9-a072-a3e4-2617-3761da0923d4@socal.rr.com> <470EAEFD-C7E8-4747-9798-B5419301EA90@me.com> <4190075d-d24d-0543-5eec-33154cb2cd50@k0dxv.com> Message-ID: If it were "open source" Elecraft could control what you did to your radio. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 16, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Doug Person wrote: > > I'm a big Pi fan myself. So if adding my voice provides any additional influence - here it is. I'm also a programmer and I agree there is extra work involved. If the utility was open source, then volunteers could join in and manage the tool chain and build. I would certainly be happy to make a contribution. > > The Raspberry Pi is a very hot platform that gets more and more capable with each new board. Version 3 is quite amazing. I can hardly tell I'm running on a little ARM box. It's power is the result of the advances in mobile platforms, so the future for these little computers is very bright. > > Doug -- K0DXV > >> On 12/13/2016 8:28 PM, James Bennett wrote: >> Ah, crud - you know, I saw that "x86-based Linux? statement and it never dawned on me about the Pi being ARM-based!!! I should have known that, as I went through a ton of hoops getting WSJT-X and Hamlib running on the RPi because of that issue. In both instances I had to compile from source. Once the dependencies were addressed, the compilation process went well, although sloooooow. Well, I suppose Elecraft doesn?t provide source for the utility, so I guess I?ve got to pull the cable off the RPi and over to my iMac and run the Utility over there on OSX. Not cool, dang it. Oh well? >> >> Thanks for everyone?s input. >> >> 73 and Happy Holidays, Jim / W6JHB >> Folsom, CA >> >> >>> On Tuesday, Dec 13, 2016, at Tuesday, 6:16 PM, Tim Elwell wrote: >>> >>> The utility is compiled for the x86 architecture. You won't be able to run it on the ARM architecture that the Pi runs on. The only way to do that is for Elecraft to compile a version for the ARM. Last I seem to recall being mentioned, there wasn't enough need to spend the time setting up the tool chain and dependencies for the ARM platform. It would be time best spent fixing other problems. >>> >>> I'm a Pi person myself and would like to see it for that platform, but do understand as a programmer the difficulties of the extra support required for another platform. And a small company has to watch their employee capital. >>> >>> Here's hoping for the future, though. >>> >>> Tim >>> KG1GEM >>> >>> PS: Sorry Jim, I realized I mistakenly replied directly to you and not the list originally. >>> >>> >>> On 12/13/16 7:53 PM, I'm a big Pi fan myself. So if adding my voice provides any additional > influence - here it is. I'm also a programmer and I agree there is extra work involved. If the utility was open source, then volunteers could join in and manage the tool chain and build. I would certainly be happy to make a contribution. > > The Raspberry Pi is a very hot platform that gets more and more capable with each new board. Version 3 is quite amazing. I can hardly tell I'm running on a little ARM box. It's power is the result of the advances in mobile platforms, so the future for these little computers is very bright. > > Doug -- K0DXV > >> On 12/13/2016 8:28 PM, James Bennett wrote: >> Ah, crud - you know, I saw that "x86-based Linux? statement and it never dawned on me about the Pi being ARM-based!!! I should have known that, as I went through a ton of hoops getting WSJT-X and Hamlib running on the RPi because of that issue. In both instances I had to compile from source. Once the dependencies were addressed, the compilation process went well, although sloooooow. Well, I suppose Elecraft doesn?t provide source for the utility, so I guess I?ve got to pull the cable off the RPi and over to my iMac and run the Utility over there on OSX. Not cool, dang it. Oh well? >> >> Thanks for everyone?s input. >> >> 73 and Happy Holidays, Jim / W6JHB >> Folsom, CA >> >> >>> On Tuesday, Dec 13, 2016, at Tuesday, 6:16 PM, Tim Elwell wrote: >>> >>> The utility is compiled for the x86 architecture. You won't be able to run it on the ARM architecture that the Pi runs on. The only way to do that is for Elecraft to compile a version for the ARM. Last I seem to recall being mentioned, there wasn't enough need to spend the time setting up the tool chain and dependencies for the ARM platform. It would be time best spent fixing other problems. >>> >>> I'm a Pi person myself and would like to see it for that platform, but do understand as a programmer the difficulties of the extra support required for another platform. And a small company has to watch their employee capital. >>> >>> Here's hoping for the future, though. >>> >>> Tim >>> KG1GEM >>> >>> PS: Sorry Jim, I realized I mistakenly replied directly to you and not the list originally. >>> >>> >>>> On 12/13/16 7:53 PM, James Bennett wrote: >>>> I?ve been using my KX3 connected to a Raspberry Pi 3 for quite some time, using CQRlog for logging, FLDIGI for PSK31, and recently, WXJT-X rc3 for JT9 and JT65. I?d like to load the most current firmware into the KX3 so I can get the full 15 watts out. I downloaded and un-tar?d the KX3 Utility from the Elecraft web site. So - now what? If I click on the ?kx3util? executable, nothing happens. What is the secret procedure to get this going? I am using the Raspian Jessie (Debian Linux) OS on this RPi. >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com >> James Bennett >> w6jhb at me.com >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to doug at k0dxv.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Dec 16 16:40:26 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 13:40:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi In-Reply-To: References: <5c99aed6-f64e-e755-635e-a9af12c0d02d@socal.rr.com> <5bf804d9-a072-a3e4-2617-3761da0923d4@socal.rr.com> <470EAEFD-C7E8-4747-9798-B5419301EA90@me.com> <4190075d-d24d-0543-5eec-33154cb2cd50@k0dxv.com> Message-ID: <1bfffcd8-8252-e944-fc7e-3d4981812099@foothill.net> ???? 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 12/16/2016 1:33 PM, Nr4c wrote: > If it were "open source" Elecraft could control what you did to your radio. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 16 17:00:40 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 17:00:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi In-Reply-To: References: <5c99aed6-f64e-e755-635e-a9af12c0d02d@socal.rr.com> <5bf804d9-a072-a3e4-2617-3761da0923d4@socal.rr.com> <470EAEFD-C7E8-4747-9798-B5419301EA90@me.com> <4190075d-d24d-0543-5eec-33154cb2cd50@k0dxv.com> Message-ID: <6835c9aa-5eb6-41c4-070f-3e2219681713@embarqmail.com> Bill, I think there is a big "NOT" missing from your post. How could Elecraft control and provide support for code of each user's 'invention'. Elecraft support has enough problems with support for the major OS platforms and users who have trouble using those OS platforms - for instance needing Elecraft support to help them with downloading and installing the Utility programs and help in downloading firmware. Yes, it happens. With open source, it would be chaotic for users who are not "computer smart" and not conversant with computer lingo. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/16/2016 4:33 PM, Nr4c wrote: > If it were "open source" Elecraft could control what you did to your radio. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Dec 16, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Doug Person wrote: >> >> I'm a big Pi fan myself. So if adding my voice provides any additional influence - here it is. I'm also a programmer and I agree there is extra work involved. If the utility was open source, then volunteers could join in and manage the tool chain and build. I would certainly be happy to make a contribution. >> >> The Raspberry Pi is a very hot platform that gets more and more capable with each new board. Version 3 is quite amazing. I can hardly tell I'm running on a little ARM box. It's power is the result of the advances in mobile platforms, so the future for these little computers is very bright. >> >> Doug -- K0DXV >> >>> On 12/13/2016 8:28 PM, James Bennett wrote: >>> Ah, crud - you know, I saw that "x86-based Linux? statement and it never dawned on me about the Pi being ARM-based!!! I should have known that, as I went through a ton of hoops getting WSJT-X and Hamlib running on the RPi because of that issue. In both instances I had to compile from source. Once the dependencies were addressed, the compilation process went well, although sloooooow. Well, I suppose Elecraft doesn?t provide source for the utility, so I guess I?ve got to pull the cable off the RPi and over to my iMac and run the Utility over there on OSX. Not cool, dang it. Oh well? >>> >>> Thanks for everyone?s input. >>> >>> 73 and Happy Holidays, Jim / W6JHB >>> Folsom, CA >>> >>> >>>> On Tuesday, Dec 13, 2016, at Tuesday, 6:16 PM, Tim Elwell wrote: >>>> >>>> The utility is compiled for the x86 architecture. You won't be able to run it on the ARM architecture that the Pi runs on. The only way to do that is for Elecraft to compile a version for the ARM. Last I seem to recall being mentioned, there wasn't enough need to spend the time setting up the tool chain and dependencies for the ARM platform. It would be time best spent fixing other problems. >>>> >>>> I'm a Pi person myself and would like to see it for that platform, but do understand as a programmer the difficulties of the extra support required for another platform. And a small company has to watch their employee capital. >>>> >>>> Here's hoping for the future, though. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> KG1GEM >>>> >>>> PS: Sorry Jim, I realized I mistakenly replied directly to you and not the list originally. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/13/16 7:53 PM, I'm a big Pi fan myself. So if adding my voice provides any additional >> influence - here it is. I'm also a programmer and I agree there is extra work involved. If the utility was open source, then volunteers could join in and manage the tool chain and build. I would certainly be happy to make a contribution. >> >> The Raspberry Pi is a very hot platform that gets more and more capable with each new board. Version 3 is quite amazing. I can hardly tell I'm running on a little ARM box. It's power is the result of the advances in mobile platforms, so the future for these little computers is very bright. >> >> Doug -- K0DXV >> >>> On 12/13/2016 8:28 PM, James Bennett wrote: >>> Ah, crud - you know, I saw that "x86-based Linux? statement and it never dawned on me about the Pi being ARM-based!!! I should have known that, as I went through a ton of hoops getting WSJT-X and Hamlib running on the RPi because of that issue. In both instances I had to compile from source. Once the dependencies were addressed, the compilation process went well, although sloooooow. Well, I suppose Elecraft doesn?t provide source for the utility, so I guess I?ve got to pull the cable off the RPi and over to my iMac and run the Utility over there on OSX. Not cool, dang it. Oh well? >>> >>> Thanks for everyone?s input. >>> >>> 73 and Happy Holidays, Jim / W6JHB >>> Folsom, CA >>> >>> >>>> On Tuesday, Dec 13, 2016, at Tuesday, 6:16 PM, Tim Elwell wrote: >>>> >>>> The utility is compiled for the x86 architecture. You won't be able to run it on the ARM architecture that the Pi runs on. The only way to do that is for Elecraft to compile a version for the ARM. Last I seem to recall being mentioned, there wasn't enough need to spend the time setting up the tool chain and dependencies for the ARM platform. It would be time best spent fixing other problems. >>>> >>>> I'm a Pi person myself and would like to see it for that platform, but do understand as a programmer the difficulties of the extra support required for another platform. And a small company has to watch their employee capital. >>>> >>>> Here's hoping for the future, though. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> KG1GEM >>>> >>>> PS: Sorry Jim, I realized I mistakenly replied directly to you and not the list originally. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 12/13/16 7:53 PM, James Bennett wrote: >>>>> I?ve been using my KX3 connected to a Raspberry Pi 3 for quite some time, using CQRlog for logging, FLDIGI for PSK31, and recently, WXJT-X rc3 for JT9 and JT65. I?d like to load the most current firmware into the KX3 so I can get the full 15 watts out. I downloaded and un-tar?d the KX3 Utility from the Elecraft web site. So - now what? If I click on the ?kx3util? executable, nothing happens. What is the secret procedure to get this going? I am using the Raspian Jessie (Debian Linux) OS on this RPi. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com >>> James Bennett >>> w6jhb at me.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to doug at k0dxv.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Dec 16 17:41:56 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 14:41:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi In-Reply-To: <6835c9aa-5eb6-41c4-070f-3e2219681713@embarqmail.com> References: <5c99aed6-f64e-e755-635e-a9af12c0d02d@socal.rr.com> <5bf804d9-a072-a3e4-2617-3761da0923d4@socal.rr.com> <470EAEFD-C7E8-4747-9798-B5419301EA90@me.com> <4190075d-d24d-0543-5eec-33154cb2cd50@k0dxv.com> <6835c9aa-5eb6-41c4-070f-3e2219681713@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <047e9846-d851-0614-6fa3-d26226f48acf@foothill.net> Precisely. Open source software has its place in situations where the participants are technically qualified. However, I can't imagine Elecraft tech support attempting to field the multitude of problems reported from multiple platforms, coded by others, many who are anonymous. I still don't understand the reference to "Elecraft controlling my radio." The Elecraft utilities are convenient interfaces into all the things I can configure with my Elecraft radios. The utility does nothing unless I tell it to, and what I tell it is between me and my radios. 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 - www.cqp.org On 12/16/2016 2:00 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Bill, > > I think there is a big "NOT" missing from your post. > How could Elecraft control and provide support for code of each user's > 'invention'. > Elecraft support has enough problems with support for the major OS > platforms and users who have trouble using those OS platforms - for > instance needing Elecraft support to help them with downloading and > installing the Utility programs and help in downloading firmware. Yes, > it happens. > > With open source, it would be chaotic for users who are not "computer > smart" and not conversant with computer lingo. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From jim.w4atk at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 18:16:07 2016 From: jim.w4atk at gmail.com (Jim Rogers) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 17:16:07 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KXV3B Question Message-ID: <625a6f33-b2bc-5cab-cea3-2725b8ab3674@gmail.com> I have been experiencing instability in drive to my K144XV/XV1/Beko HLV-1000. I may have traced it down to the K3s' KXV3B board by creating another transverter, XV2, with the same setup as XV1. I monitored the output of XVTR OUT with an RF power meter and 50 dummy load. I did observe a couple of occurrences of low power output that gradually came back to requested power during an 8 minute test running WSTJx's MSK144. The indication on the Beko watt meter is much more drastic of course. If you have a similar issue, I would appreciate an email and what you might have done to correct it. My intent is to re-seat the KXV3B board and if that fails, then possibly replace it. 73s JIm, W4ATK From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 16 18:30:45 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 18:30:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXV3B Question In-Reply-To: <625a6f33-b2bc-5cab-cea3-2725b8ab3674@gmail.com> References: <625a6f33-b2bc-5cab-cea3-2725b8ab3674@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jim, I cannot speak to your conclusions about your change from XV1 to XV2. What I can say is that your indication of a slow power increase in the output is usually a result of too little audio input to the K3(S). If you do not have audio sufficient to drive the K3 to 4 bars on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flickering, power 'creep' as you have indicated is a common result. The onset of ALC is indicated by the 5th bar on the meter, so 4 bars solid is still the "no ALC" point. The K3(S) does not respond as most other transceivers for power control. Ignore the internet advice to control the power with the audio level. Drive the audio level as I have described and control the power with the power knob on the K3. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/16/2016 6:16 PM, Jim Rogers wrote: > I have been experiencing instability in drive to my K144XV/XV1/Beko > HLV-1000. I may have traced it down to the K3s' KXV3B board by creating > another transverter, XV2, with the same setup as XV1. I monitored the > output of XVTR OUT with an RF power meter and 50 dummy load. I did > observe a couple of occurrences of low power output that gradually came > back to requested power during an 8 minute test running WSTJx's MSK144. > The indication on the Beko watt meter is much more drastic of course. > > If you have a similar issue, I would appreciate an email and what you > might have done to correct it. My intent is to re-seat the KXV3B board > and if that fails, then possibly replace it. > From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Dec 16 19:24:17 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 19:24:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Small Keyboard Recommendation for P3/SVGA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Think Wireless not Bluetooth. Different. The wireless transceiver will plug into the P3. Some work, some don't. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 16, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Irwin Darack wrote: > > Do not want wireless. I will be plugging the Keyboard into the USB Keyboard > on the back of the P3/SVGA . > > Irwin KD3TB > >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Ed K1EP wrote: >> >> Will it work with a wireless keyboard? >> >>> On Dec 16, 2016 1:47 PM, "Irwin Darack" wrote: >>> >>> I am looking for a small keyboard recommendation for the P3/SVGA. I >>> already >>> have it working with a large keyboard. Would like to find a mini >>> keyboard >>> instead to save room on my Ham Shack Self. >>> >>> Does Elecraft have a list of compatible Keyboards? >>> >>> Logitec, Microsoft? etc. >>> >>> Thanks and regards, >>> >>> -- >>> Irwin KD3TB >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k1ep.list at gmail.com >>> >> > > > -- > Irwin KD3TB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com Fri Dec 16 19:44:20 2016 From: nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com (Niel Skousen) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 17:44:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi In-Reply-To: <047e9846-d851-0614-6fa3-d26226f48acf@foothill.net> References: <5c99aed6-f64e-e755-635e-a9af12c0d02d@socal.rr.com> <5bf804d9-a072-a3e4-2617-3761da0923d4@socal.rr.com> <470EAEFD-C7E8-4747-9798-B5419301EA90@me.com> <4190075d-d24d-0543-5eec-33154cb2cd50@k0dxv.com> <6835c9aa-5eb6-41c4-070f-3e2219681713@embarqmail.com> <047e9846-d851-0614-6fa3-d26226f48acf@foothill.net> Message-ID: <3AC03527-5CE6-4480-AF06-6AA3C92A6A98@ecsecurityinc.com> On the other hand, if one of us (well, not me - not technically qualified) were to contact Elecraft and volunteer ( in the OpenSource mindset) to execute the appropriate agreements for access to the code line. Then to be the maintainer of the ARM distribution, with a focus on the RPi family, Elecraft might well agree to support the distribution. That would satisfy the company protection of product line integrity, and given a knowledgeable package maintainer, a confidence in the finished product. Niel On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:41 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Precisely. Open source software has its place in situations where the participants are technically qualified. However, I can't imagine Elecraft tech support attempting to field the multitude of problems reported from multiple platforms, coded by others, many who are anonymous. > > I still don't understand the reference to "Elecraft controlling my radio." The Elecraft utilities are convenient interfaces into all the things I can configure with my Elecraft radios. The utility does nothing unless I tell it to, and what I tell it is between me and my radios. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Sparks NV DM09dn > > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 > - www.cqp.org > > On 12/16/2016 2:00 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Bill, >> >> I think there is a big "NOT" missing from your post. >> How could Elecraft control and provide support for code of each user's >> 'invention'. >> Elecraft support has enough problems with support for the major OS >> platforms and users who have trouble using those OS platforms - for >> instance needing Elecraft support to help them with downloading and >> installing the Utility programs and help in downloading firmware. Yes, >> it happens. >> >> With open source, it would be chaotic for users who are not "computer >> smart" and not conversant with computer lingo. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com > From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Dec 16 20:07:44 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 20:07:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi In-Reply-To: <6835c9aa-5eb6-41c4-070f-3e2219681713@embarqmail.com> References: <5c99aed6-f64e-e755-635e-a9af12c0d02d@socal.rr.com> <5bf804d9-a072-a3e4-2617-3761da0923d4@socal.rr.com> <470EAEFD-C7E8-4747-9798-B5419301EA90@me.com> <4190075d-d24d-0543-5eec-33154cb2cd50@k0dxv.com> <6835c9aa-5eb6-41c4-070f-3e2219681713@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <7C96FDAB-EFFE-480B-827E-D07474C95C45@widomaker.com> Right. Duh!!! Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 16, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Bill, > > I think there is a big "NOT" missing from your post. > How could Elecraft control and provide support for code of each user's 'invention'. > Elecraft support has enough problems with support for the major OS platforms and users who have trouble using those OS platforms - for instance needing Elecraft support to help them with downloading and installing the Utility programs and help in downloading firmware. Yes, it happens. > > With open source, it would be chaotic for users who are not "computer smart" and not conversant with computer lingo. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 12/16/2016 4:33 PM, Nr4c wrote: >> If it were "open source" Elecraft could control what you did to your radio. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ...nr4c. bill >> >> >>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Doug Person wrote: >>> >>> I'm a big Pi fan myself. So if adding my voice provides any additional influence - here it is. I'm also a programmer and I agree there is extra work involved. If the utility was open source, then volunteers could join in and manage the tool chain and build. I would certainly be happy to make a contribution. >>> >>> The Raspberry Pi is a very hot platform that gets more and more capable with each new board. Version 3 is quite amazing. I can hardly tell I'm running on a little ARM box. It's power is the result of the advances in mobile platforms, so the future for these little computers is very bright. >>> >>> Doug -- K0DXV >>> >>>> On 12/13/2016 8:28 PM, James Bennett wrote: >>>> Ah, crud - you know, I saw that "x86-based Linux? statement and it never dawned on me about the Pi being ARM-based!!! I should have known that, as I went through a ton of hoops getting WSJT-X and Hamlib running on the RPi because of that issue. In both instances I had to compile from source. Once the dependencies were addressed, the compilation process went well, although sloooooow. Well, I suppose Elecraft doesn?t provide source for the utility, so I guess I?ve got to pull the cable off the RPi and over to my iMac and run the Utility over there on OSX. Not cool, dang it. Oh well? >>>> >>>> Thanks for everyone?s input. >>>> >>>> 73 and Happy Holidays, Jim / W6JHB >>>> Folsom, CA >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, Dec 13, 2016, at Tuesday, 6:16 PM, Tim Elwell wroteBill, > > I think there is a big "NOT" missing from your post. > How could Elecraft control and provide support for code of each user's 'invention'. > Elecraft support has enough problems with support for the major OS platforms and users who have trouble using those OS platforms - for instance needing Elecraft support to help them with downloading and installing the Utility programs and help in downloading firmware. Yes, it happens. > > With open source, it would be chaotic for users who are not "computer smart" and not conversant with computer lingo. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 12/16/2016 4:33 PM, Nr4c wrote: >> If it were "open source" Elecraft could control what you did to your radio. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ...nr4c. bill >> >> >>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Doug Person wrote: >>> >>> I'm a big Pi fan myself. So if adding my voice provides any additional influence - here it is. I'm also a programmer and I agree there is extra work involved. If the utility was open source, then volunteers could join in and manage the tool chain and build. I would certainly be happy to make a contribution. >>> >>> The Raspberry Pi is a very hot platform that gets more and more capable with each new board. Version 3 is quite amazing. I can hardly tell I'm running on a little ARM box. It's power is the result of the advances in mobile platforms, so the future for these little computers is very bright. >>> >>> Doug -- K0DXV >>> >>>> On 12/13/2016 8:28 PM, James Bennett wrote: >>>> Ah, crud - you know, I saw that "x86-based Linux? statement and it never dawned on me about the Pi being ARM-based!!! I should have known that, as I went through a ton of hoops getting WSJT-X and Hamlib running on the RPi because of that issue. In both instances I had to compile from source. Once the dependencies were addressed, the compilation process went well, although sloooooow. Well, I suppose Elecraft doesn?t provide source for the utility, so I guess I?ve got to pull the cable off the RPi and over to my iMac and run the Utility over there on OSX. Not cool, dang it. Oh well? >>>> >>>> Thanks for everyone?s input. >>>> >>>> 73 and Happy Holidays, Jim / W6JHB >>>> Folsom, CA >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, Dec 13, 2016, at Tuesday, 6:16 PM, Tim Elwell wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The utility is compiled for the x86 architecture. You won't be able to run it on the ARM architecture that the Pi runs on. The only way to do that is for Elecraft to compile a version for the ARM. Last I seem to recall being mentioned, there wasn't enough need to spend the time setting up the tool chain and dependencies for the ARM platform. It would be time best spent fixing other problems. >>>>> >>>>> I'm a Pi person myself and would like to see it for that platform, but do understand as a programmer the difficulties of the extra support required for another platform. And a small company has to watch their employee capital. >>>>> >>>>> Here's hoping for the future, though. >>>>> >>>>> Tim >>>>> KG1GEM >>>>> >>>>> PS: Sorry Jim, I realized I mistakenly replied directly to you and not the list originally. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/13/16 7:53 PM, I'm a big Pi fan myself. So if adding my voice provides any additional >>> influence - here it is. I'm also a programmer and I agree there is extra work involved. If the utility was open source, then volunteers could join in and manage the tool chain and build. I would certainly be happy to make a contribution. >>> >>> The Raspberry Pi is a very hot platform that gets more and more capable with each new board. Version 3 is quite amazing. I can hardly tell I'm running on a little ARM box. It's power is the result of the advances in mobile platforms, so the future for these little computers is very bright. >>> >>> Doug -- K0DXV >>> >>>> On 12/13/2016 8:28 PM, James Bennett wrote: >>>> Ah, crud - you know, I saw that "x86-based Linux? statement and it never dawned on me about the Pi being ARM-based!!! I should have known that, as I went through a ton of hoops getting WSJT-X and Hamlib running on the RPi because of that issue. In both instances I had to compile from source. Once the dependencies were addressed, the compilation process went well, although sloooooow. Well, I suppose Elecraft doesn?t provide source for the utility, so I guess I?ve got to pull the cable off the RPi and over to my iMac and run the Utility over there on OSX. Not cool, dang it. Oh well? >>>> >>>> Thanks for everyone?s input. >>>> >>>> 73 and Happy Holidays, Jim / W6JHB >>>> Folsom, CA >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, Dec 13, 2016, at Tuesday, 6:16 PM, Tim Elwell wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The utility is compiled for the x86 architecture. You won't be able to run it on the ARM architecture that the Pi runs on. The only way to do that is for Elecraft to compile a version for the ARM. Last I seem to recall being mentioned, there wasn't enough need to spend the time setting up the tool chain and dependencies for the ARM platform. It would be time best spent fixing other problems. >>>>> >>>>> I'm a Pi person myself and would like to see it for that platform, but do understand as a programmer the difficulties of the extra support required for another platform. And a small company has to watch their employee capital. >>>>> >>>>> Here's hoping for the future, though. >>>>> >>>>> Tim >>>>> KG1GEM >>>>> >>>>> PS: Sorry Jim, I realized I mistakenly replied directly to you and not the list originally. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/13/16 7:53 PM, James Bennett wrote: >>>>>> I?ve been using my KX3 connected to a Raspberry Pi 3 for quite some time, using CQRlog for logging, FLDIGI for PSK31, and recently, WXJT-X rc3 for JT9 and JT65. I?d like to load the most current firmware into the KX3 so I can get the full 15 watts out. I downloaded and un-tar?d the KX3 Utility from the Elecraft web site. So - now what? If I click on the ?kx3util? executable, nothing happens. What is the secret procedure to get this going? I am using the Raspian Jessie (Debian Linux) OS on this RPi. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com >>>> James Bennett >>>> w6jhb at me.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to doug at k0dxv.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Dec 16 20:08:54 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 20:08:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi In-Reply-To: <047e9846-d851-0614-6fa3-d26226f48acf@foothill.net> References: <5c99aed6-f64e-e755-635e-a9af12c0d02d@socal.rr.com> <5bf804d9-a072-a3e4-2617-3761da0923d4@socal.rr.com> <470EAEFD-C7E8-4747-9798-B5419301EA90@me.com> <4190075d-d24d-0543-5eec-33154cb2cd50@k0dxv.com> <6835c9aa-5eb6-41c4-070f-3e2219681713@embarqmail.com> <047e9846-d851-0614-6fa3-d26226f48acf@foothill.net> Message-ID: <59A07A80-C455-40DB-9A95-E742B3C1AD00@widomaker.com> Ok. I missed the big NOT. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 16, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > Precisely. Open source software has its place in situations where the participants are technically qualified. However, I can't imagine Elecraft tech support attempting to field the multitude of problems reported from multiple platforms, coded by others, many who are anonymous. > > I still don't understand the reference to "Elecraft controlling my radio." The Elecraft utilities are convenient interfaces into all the things I can configure with my Elecraft radios. The utility does nothing unless I tell it to, and what I tell it is between me and my radios. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Sparks NV DM09dn > > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 > - www.cqp.org > >> On 12/16/2016 2:00 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Bill, >> >> I think there is a big "NOT" missing from your post. >> How could Elecraft control and provide support for code of each user's >> 'invention'. >> Elecraft support has enough problems with support for the major OS >> platforms and users who have trouble using those OS platforms - for >> instance needing Elecraft support to help them with downloading and >> installing the Utility programs and help in downloading firmware. Yes, >> it happens. >> >> With open source, it would be chaotic for users who are not "computer >> smart" and not conversant with computer lingo. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From N2ZDB at aol.com Fri Dec 16 20:12:17 2016 From: N2ZDB at aol.com (N2ZDB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 20:12:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV Message-ID: If I set my K3's VFO to WWV at 5.000000 MHz with AM-S on....and I adjust "REF CAL" to a number where my VFO's frequency readout is exact or near this number +/- maybe a Hertz or two. Is this an accurate way to calibrate my K3? It seems to be very accurate as far as I can tell. Has anyone used this method? Michael N2ZDB From N2ZDB at aol.com Fri Dec 16 20:15:02 2016 From: N2ZDB at aol.com (N2ZDB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 20:15:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bob Friess email address Message-ID: Can anyone send me his email address to n2zdb at aol.com? I have some questions on K144XV receiver distortion. Thanks, Michael n2zdb From n6fb at aol.com Fri Dec 16 20:42:55 2016 From: n6fb at aol.com (n6fb at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 20:42:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-100 Price reduction Message-ID: <1590a723af6-28d-94c9@webprd-m100.mail.aol.com> The rig has the amp, the ATU, the 400hz filter, the mike and instruction book. All is in factory new condition, and I am pricing for quick sale at $1650. E mail me for pix or other info you want. From kh6u at hawaiiantel.net Fri Dec 16 20:51:00 2016 From: kh6u at hawaiiantel.net (kh6u at hawaiiantel.net) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:51:00 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is exactly the method I use. 73, Doug, KH6U Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Michael via Elecraft Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 3:16 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV If I set my K3's VFO to WWV at 5.000000 MHz with AM-S on....and I adjust "REF CAL" to a number where my VFO's frequency readout is exact or near this number +/- maybe a Hertz or two. Is this an accurate way to calibrate my K3? It seems to be very accurate as far as I can tell. Has anyone used this method? Michael N2ZDB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kh6u at hawaiiantel.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 16 21:52:26 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 21:52:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6324d680-f8c0-9b0f-7e14-4e82f2e05a23@embarqmail.com> Michael, I don't think that is adequate. First of all, use the highest frequency WWV that you can receive. Second, do not use AM-S. That mode will synchronize with the frequency of the AM carrier, and may not produce a true dial frequency. Us SSB - either LSB or LSB and tune for the tones transmitted by WWV - either 500 or 600 Hz. Use of an audio spectrum analyzer such as Spectrogram or SpectrumLab will tell you when you have the tones received at the proper frequencies. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/16/2016 8:12 PM, Michael via Elecraft wrote: > If I set my K3's VFO to WWV at 5.000000 MHz with AM-S on....and I adjust > "REF CAL" to a number where > my VFO's frequency readout is exact or near this number +/- maybe a Hertz > or two. Is this an accurate way to calibrate my K3? > > It seems to be very accurate as far as I can tell. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 16 22:01:48 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 22:01:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bob Friess email address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5791e64c-c927-83a1-a76d-17ad3f535fea@embarqmail.com> Michael, I would suggest that you contact Elecraft support and if they deem that you need to contact Bob Friess directly, they will give you the means to do that. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/16/2016 8:15 PM, Michael via Elecraft wrote: > Can anyone send me his email address to n2zdb at aol.com? > > I have some questions on K144XV receiver distortion. > From N2ZDB at aol.com Fri Dec 16 22:28:48 2016 From: N2ZDB at aol.com (N2ZDB at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 22:28:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Bob Friess email address Message-ID: <1493505.3ba5e30e.45860af0@aol.com> Thank you Matt! I just heard from Bob minutes after sending him an email.... 73's Michael n2zdb From -unknown- at sy-edm.com Fri Dec 16 22:37:46 2016 From: -unknown- at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 07:37:46 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <6324d680-f8c0-9b0f-7e14-4e82f2e05a23@embarqmail.com> References: <6324d680-f8c0-9b0f-7e14-4e82f2e05a23@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Very timely - just performed the operation with the help of the manual (Page 53 on the K3-S manual) and these extra instructions. Many thanks Tim A45WG > On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:52 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Michael, > > I don't think that is adequate. > First of all, use the highest frequency WWV that you can receive. > Second, do not use AM-S. That mode will synchronize with the frequency of the AM carrier, and may not produce a true dial frequency. > > Us SSB - either LSB or LSB and tune for the tones transmitted by WWV - either 500 or 600 Hz. Use of an audio spectrum analyzer such as Spectrogram or SpectrumLab will tell you when you have the tones received at the proper frequencies. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/16/2016 8:12 PM, Michael via Elecraft wrote: >> If I set my K3's VFO to WWV at 5.000000 MHz with AM-S on....and I adjust >> "REF CAL" to a number where >> my VFO's frequency readout is exact or near this number +/- maybe a Hertz >> or two. Is this an accurate way to calibrate my K3? >> >> It seems to be very accurate as far as I can tell. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Dec 17 00:11:25 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 22:11:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <6324d680-f8c0-9b0f-7e14-4e82f2e05a23@embarqmail.com> References: <6324d680-f8c0-9b0f-7e14-4e82f2e05a23@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <686be840-28e7-3841-c829-2168bf0221ea@triconet.org> My method: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Ref-Osc-Cal-Method-4-td2595451.html On 12/16/2016 7:52 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Michael, > > I don't think that is adequate. > First of all, use the highest frequency WWV that you can receive. > Second, do not use AM-S. That mode will synchronize with the frequency of the > AM carrier, and may not produce a true dial frequency. > > Us SSB - either LSB or LSB and tune for the tones transmitted by WWV - either > 500 or 600 Hz. Use of an audio spectrum analyzer such as Spectrogram or > SpectrumLab will tell you when you have the tones received at the proper > frequencies. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/16/2016 8:12 PM, Michael via Elecraft wrote: >> If I set my K3's VFO to WWV at 5.000000 MHz with AM-S on....and I adjust >> "REF CAL" to a number where >> my VFO's frequency readout is exact or near this number +/- maybe a Hertz >> or two. Is this an accurate way to calibrate my K3? >> >> It seems to be very accurate as far as I can tell. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org > From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Dec 17 00:27:48 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:27:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 Message-ID: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> I usually don't run barefoot at 100W and don't drive my amp with more than around 50W. Tonight when I tried running at 100W on 160 I was surprised to find it only putting out 81W. It puts out incrementally till 81W and then even though I can adjust the power so it reads 100W on the K3s LCD bar and numerical display, the watt meter in the P3 and the LP-100A both show the wattage stopping at 81W. With the ATU in or out it gives 81W out on 160, SWR is 1.28 All other bands except 6M give around 98W, 6M gives 87W Any ideas what might be causing the lower output on 160? Thanks & 73, Gary KA1J From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Dec 17 02:19:51 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 23:19:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 In-Reply-To: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: On Fri,12/16/2016 9:27 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > With the ATU in or out it gives 81W out on 160, SWR is 1.28 > > All other bands except 6M give around 98W, 6M gives 87W > > Any ideas what might be causing the lower output on 160? 81W is 0.9 dB less than 100W; 87W is 0.6 dB less than 100W. On 6M, it's probably a simple matter of efficiency -- power amps are slightly less efficient on 6M than on the lower bands. And there may be a power calibration issue. There's a procedure in the manual for doing that. Or even error in the power measurement itself. Few power meters are specified for better than 5%. Bird wattmeters are specified as 5% of full scale, and a condition of that is that the slug is in calibration. If, for example, you're using a 250W slug, accuracy is +/- 12.5W. I use an N8LP LP100A, which specifies 5% at any power level from 1W, and quotes 3% typical. 5% is 0.22 dB. 3% is 0.13 dB. Low DC voltage can also be an issue, either due to the power supply itself or IR loss in the power cable (or even the connector(s). Use the built-in metering function to check DC voltage with just the RX running and keydown. Short, fat copper is your friend. :) 73, Jim K9YC From z_kevino at hotmail.com Sat Dec 17 06:05:48 2016 From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:05:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] speaker volume - what are my options Message-ID: I find my KX3 speaker volume too low. Besides headphones, what are my options? Are folks using external powered speakers ? I tried one suggested on the reflector or yahoo a few weeks ago, but it sounded horrible. Why is the KX3 speaker so low? I checked that the attenuator is off. I checked that RF volume was maxed. I checked the antenna was matched with the tuner. The volume is still too low. Any ideas to make the volume louder, even when at my home QTH (i.e. where power is not a challenge)? Thanks -Kevin (KK4YEL) No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 17 07:02:49 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 07:02:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] speaker volume - what are my options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19aa6505-4c7e-5d75-cead-bb675c716c6a@embarqmail.com> Kevin, Get good amplified speakers that do not respond to RF. I find the COMSPKR by West Mountain Radio to fit that need nicely. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/17/2016 6:05 AM, kevino z wrote: > I find my KX3 speaker volume too low. Besides headphones, what are my options? Are folks using external powered speakers ? I tried one suggested on the reflector or yahoo a few weeks ago, but it sounded horrible. Why is the KX3 speaker so low? > I checked that the attenuator is off. I checked that RF volume was maxed. I checked the antenna was matched with the tuner. The volume is still too low. > Any ideas to make the volume louder, even when at my home QTH (i.e. where power is not a challenge)? From ed.n3cw at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 08:26:27 2016 From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed G) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 08:26:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 PHONES Jack for Digital Programs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3548AE368B0348B4802FB6755FA765F8@SHACKXPS> Hello, Just checking on this...I am using an interface cable to my computer's sound card with a stereo plug on one end. I am plugging this in to the PHONES jack on my KX3. The cable is only using the tip for audio to the sound card, so essentially the ring (half of the KX3's audio output) is open. Is this ok for the KX3's audio output circuitry? Also, Frank Cady's KX3 book tells me it is ok to use a mono plug to connect to the PHONES jack. I have not chosen to do this, but wouldn't that short half of the KX3 output to ground (I suspect there is internal protection for this)? My connections seem to be working fine, but I want to make sure I am not overstressing something. --Ed-- --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 17 09:04:19 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 09:04:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 PHONES Jack for Digital Programs In-Reply-To: <3548AE368B0348B4802FB6755FA765F8@SHACKXPS> References: <3548AE368B0348B4802FB6755FA765F8@SHACKXPS> Message-ID: Ed, That should not be a problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/17/2016 8:26 AM, Ed G wrote: > > Hello, > Just checking on this...I am using an interface cable to my computer's > sound card with a stereo plug on one end. I am plugging this in to the > PHONES jack on my KX3. The cable is only using the tip for audio to the > sound card, so essentially the ring (half of the KX3's audio output) is > open. Is this ok for the KX3's audio output circuitry? From gkidder at ilstu.edu Sat Dec 17 11:09:23 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:09:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 without KPA500 In-Reply-To: References: <3548AE368B0348B4802FB6755FA765F8@SHACKXPS> Message-ID: <63fffe51-a6ba-caf5-8d35-df9f50cf4772@ilstu.edu> I am considering purchase of the KAT500 to use with my K3 and an old AL-80A, with a view to future expansion to the KPA500. Is there any reason why an Auxbus cable direct from the K3 to the KAT500 would not provide the necessary band and frequency information? George, W3HBM From fcady at montana.edu Sat Dec 17 11:34:14 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 16:34:14 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 without KPA500 In-Reply-To: <63fffe51-a6ba-caf5-8d35-df9f50cf4772@ilstu.edu> References: <3548AE368B0348B4802FB6755FA765F8@SHACKXPS> , <63fffe51-a6ba-caf5-8d35-df9f50cf4772@ilstu.edu> Message-ID: Hi George, There are a couple of pdf files on my website that will help you understand how the KPA and KAT operate. Click on the pdf links at the bottom of the page. http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide Cheers and 73, Fred KE7X ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of George Kidder Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 9:09 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 without KPA500 I am considering purchase of the KAT500 to use with my K3 and an old AL-80A, with a view to future expansion to the KPA500. Is there any reason why an Auxbus cable direct from the K3 to the KAT500 would not provide the necessary band and frequency information? George, W3HBM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Dec 17 12:13:05 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 12:13:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 PHONES Jack for Digital Programs In-Reply-To: <3548AE368B0348B4802FB6755FA765F8@SHACKXPS> References: <3548AE368B0348B4802FB6755FA765F8@SHACKXPS> Message-ID: I too would use a TRS plug for this. But note that most digital software only looks at the tip of the plug. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 17, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Ed G wrote: > > > Hello, > Just checking on this...I am using an interface cable to my computer's > sound card with a stereo plug on one end. I am plugging this in to the > PHONES jack on my KX3. The cable is only using the tip for audio to the > sound card, so essentially the ring (half of the KX3's audio output) is > open. Is this ok for the KX3's audio output circuitry? > Also, Frank Cady's KX3 book tells me it is ok to use a mono plug to > connect to the PHONES jack. I have not chosen to do this, but wouldn't that > short half of the KX3 output to ground (I suspect there is internal > protection for this)? > My connections seem to be working fine, but I want to make sure I am > not overstressing something. > --Ed-- > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From egrimseid at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 12:40:13 2016 From: egrimseid at gmail.com (Erlend Grimseid) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 18:40:13 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 PHONES Jack for Digital Programs In-Reply-To: <3548AE368B0348B4802FB6755FA765F8@SHACKXPS> References: <3548AE368B0348B4802FB6755FA765F8@SHACKXPS> Message-ID: I use the ring output to drive external speakers for monitoring. 73 La4tta Erlend 17. des. 2016 14:27 skrev "Ed G" : > > Hello, > Just checking on this...I am using an interface cable to my computer's > sound card with a stereo plug on one end. I am plugging this in to the > PHONES jack on my KX3. The cable is only using the tip for audio to the > sound card, so essentially the ring (half of the KX3's audio output) is > open. Is this ok for the KX3's audio output circuitry? > Also, Frank Cady's KX3 book tells me it is ok to use a mono plug to > connect to the PHONES jack. I have not chosen to do this, but wouldn't that > short half of the KX3 output to ground (I suspect there is internal > protection for this)? > My connections seem to be working fine, but I want to make sure I am > not overstressing something. > --Ed-- > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to egrimseid at gmail.com > From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat Dec 17 13:07:07 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 10:07:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] speaker volume - what are my options In-Reply-To: <19aa6505-4c7e-5d75-cead-bb675c716c6a@embarqmail.com> References: <19aa6505-4c7e-5d75-cead-bb675c716c6a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I use an inexpensive stereo amp that runs on 12 V. It is $9 from Amazon. I put PowerPoles on the power lead. https://smile.amazon.com/DROK-Amplifier-Dual-channel-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/B00C4MT274/ I use it with a pair of Pyle speakers ($20). I was hoping to find the old Radio Shack AV speakers, but couldn?t find a pair. https://smile.amazon.com/Pyle-PCB3BK-100-Watt-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/B000MCGF1O/ Finally, I got a stereo multi-way sharing thingy. That allows me to keep the audio amp and my headphones plugged in. https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00E9W11QM/ wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 17, 2016, at 4:02 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Kevin, > > Get good amplified speakers that do not respond to RF. I find the COMSPKR by West Mountain Radio to fit that need nicely. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/17/2016 6:05 AM, kevino z wrote: >> I find my KX3 speaker volume too low. Besides headphones, what are my options? Are folks using external powered speakers ? I tried one suggested on the reflector or yahoo a few weeks ago, but it sounded horrible. Why is the KX3 speaker so low? >> I checked that the attenuator is off. I checked that RF volume was maxed. I checked the antenna was matched with the tuner. The volume is still too low. >> Any ideas to make the volume louder, even when at my home QTH (i.e. where power is not a challenge)? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From dick at elecraft.com Sat Dec 17 13:20:33 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 10:20:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 without KPA500 In-Reply-To: <63fffe51-a6ba-caf5-8d35-df9f50cf4772@ilstu.edu> References: <3548AE368B0348B4802FB6755FA765F8@SHACKXPS> <63fffe51-a6ba-caf5-8d35-df9f50cf4772@ilstu.edu> Message-ID: <000a01d25892$41fb1850$c5f148f0$@elecraft.com> Should be fine. Use a cable with RCA plugs to connect the K3's KEY OUT connector to one of the KAT500's PTT RELAY connectors, and another RCA cable the other KAT500 PTT RELAY connector to the amplifier KEY IN. This allows the KAT500 to interrupt the PA key line during tuning. When you move to a KPA500, add an additional 15-pin ACC cable from KAT500 to amp, and don't use the RCA cables, as the key lines are incorporated in the 15-pin cables. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of George Kidder Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 08:09 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 without KPA500 I am considering purchase of the KAT500 to use with my K3 and an old AL-80A, with a view to future expansion to the KPA500. Is there any reason why an Auxbus cable direct from the K3 to the KAT500 would not provide the necessary band and frequency information? George, W3HBM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From ed.n3cw at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 13:33:33 2016 From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed G) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:33:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 PHONES Jack for Digital Programs In-Reply-To: References: <3548AE368B0348B4802FB6755FA765F8@SHACKXPS> Message-ID: That's a great idea; thanks. --Ed- _____ From: Erlend Grimseid [mailto:egrimseid at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 12:40 PM To: Ed G Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 PHONES Jack for Digital Programs I use the ring output to drive external speakers for monitoring. 73 La4tta Erlend 17. des. 2016 14:27 skrev "Ed G" : Hello, Just checking on this...I am using an interface cable to my computer's sound card with a stereo plug on one end. I am plugging this in to the PHONES jack on my KX3. The cable is only using the tip for audio to the sound card, so essentially the ring (half of the KX3's audio output) is open. Is this ok for the KX3's audio output circuitry? Also, Frank Cady's KX3 book tells me it is ok to use a mono plug to connect to the PHONES jack. I have not chosen to do this, but wouldn't that short half of the KX3 output to ground (I suspect there is internal protection for this)? My connections seem to be working fine, but I want to make sure I am not overstressing something. --Ed-- --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From brendon at whateley.com Sat Dec 17 14:49:03 2016 From: brendon at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:49:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 utility on RPi In-Reply-To: <3AC03527-5CE6-4480-AF06-6AA3C92A6A98@ecsecurityinc.com> References: <5c99aed6-f64e-e755-635e-a9af12c0d02d@socal.rr.com> <5bf804d9-a072-a3e4-2617-3761da0923d4@socal.rr.com> <470EAEFD-C7E8-4747-9798-B5419301EA90@me.com> <4190075d-d24d-0543-5eec-33154cb2cd50@k0dxv.com> <6835c9aa-5eb6-41c4-070f-3e2219681713@embarqmail.com> <047e9846-d851-0614-6fa3-d26226f48acf@foothill.net> <3AC03527-5CE6-4480-AF06-6AA3C92A6A98@ecsecurityinc.com> Message-ID: That is a great idea Niel. The platform is getting used so much for all manner of things that used to need a "real computer" that it is a shame that it is not a first-class device. We can have a bunch of people "in-line" so that Elecraft doesn't run the risk of the guy leaving. A couple of NDAs, a trip to the HQ, and they could have a volunteer team to maintain the Pi version for the joy of all. - Brendon KK6AYI On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Niel Skousen wrote: > On the other hand, if one of us (well, not me - not technically > qualified) were to contact Elecraft and volunteer ( in the OpenSource > mindset) to execute the appropriate agreements for access to the code > line. Then to be the maintainer of the ARM distribution, with a focus on > the RPi family, Elecraft might well agree to support the distribution. > That would satisfy the company protection of product line integrity, and > given a knowledgeable package maintainer, a confidence in the finished > product. > > Niel > > > On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:41 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > > Precisely. Open source software has its place in situations where the > participants are technically qualified. However, I can't imagine Elecraft > tech support attempting to field the multitude of problems reported from > multiple platforms, coded by others, many who are anonymous. > > > > I still don't understand the reference to "Elecraft controlling my > radio." The Elecraft utilities are convenient interfaces into all the > things I can configure with my Elecraft radios. The utility does nothing > unless I tell it to, and what I tell it is between me and my radios. > > > > 73, > > > > Fred K6DGW > > - Sparks NV DM09dn > > > > - Northern California Contest Club > > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 > > - www.cqp.org > > > > On 12/16/2016 2:00 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Bill, > >> > >> I think there is a big "NOT" missing from your post. > >> How could Elecraft control and provide support for code of each user's > >> 'invention'. > >> Elecraft support has enough problems with support for the major OS > >> platforms and users who have trouble using those OS platforms - for > >> instance needing Elecraft support to help them with downloading and > >> installing the Utility programs and help in downloading firmware. Yes, > >> it happens. > >> > >> With open source, it would be chaotic for users who are not "computer > >> smart" and not conversant with computer lingo. > >> > >> 73, > >> Don W3FPR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brendon at whateley.com > From donnieput at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 15:07:07 2016 From: donnieput at gmail.com (Don Putnick) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 12:07:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Digital "4 flicker 5" help needed Message-ID: I'm having a heck of a time fine tuning my output for digital modes. I have my sound card set at 50% volume. A mic gain of 10 gives me "3 flicker 5". A mic gain of 11 gives me "solid 5". Conversely if I keep the mic gain at 10 and change the sound card volume, same symptoms. Any suggestions on fine tuning my sound card and/or K3? Thanks much and Happy Holidays! 73 Don NA6Z From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 17 15:32:30 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 15:32:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Digital "4 flicker 5" help needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9c5cb749-2628-3e50-01fe-7cc090b8c6ef@embarqmail.com> Don, Are you using DATA A mode (AFSK A for RTTY)? You may have difficulty like that if you are running in SSB mode with even a little compression enabled. DATA Modes automatically turn off compression and TX EQ. Is your soundcard line out cabled to the K3 Line IN jack? If you have it plugged into the rear panel mic jack you would have excess gain in the K3, use LINE IN. Most users seem to have good luck with the soundcard line out set at about 75%, but some soundcards do have a bit more output than others. You do want to run the soundcard in the upper range to produce a better S/N ratio. You may have to settle for the 3 bars with the 5th flashing. The flashing 5th bar is the onset of ALC, so you should not drive the 5th bar solid. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/17/2016 3:07 PM, Don Putnick wrote: > I'm having a heck of a time fine tuning my output for digital modes. I have > my sound card set at 50% volume. A mic gain of 10 gives me "3 flicker 5". A > mic gain of 11 gives me "solid 5". Conversely if I keep the mic gain at 10 > and change the sound card volume, same symptoms. Any suggestions on fine > tuning my sound card and/or K3? Thanks much and Happy Holidays! > 73 Don NA6Z From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sat Dec 17 15:36:15 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 12:36:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Digital "4 flicker 5" help needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some folks use a 7 to 10 dB pi attenuator inline. 73, matt W6NIA On 12/17/2016 12:07 PM, Don Putnick wrote: > I'm having a heck of a time fine tuning my output for digital modes. I have > my sound card set at 50% volume. A mic gain of 10 gives me "3 flicker 5". A > mic gain of 11 gives me "solid 5". Conversely if I keep the mic gain at 10 > and change the sound card volume, same symptoms. Any suggestions on fine > tuning my sound card and/or K3? Thanks much and Happy Holidays! > 73 Don NA6Z > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Shiraz] From cqbilld at yahoo.com Sat Dec 17 15:39:14 2016 From: cqbilld at yahoo.com (Bill Davis) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 20:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 10watt TX Fail References: <249805629.928493.1482007154155.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <249805629.928493.1482007154155@mail.yahoo.com> ? Ser # 3XXX ... 10w K3.? During normal operations Wed with <1w @14Mhz running to my 6m transverer I lost all power output. I assumed a transverter issue. OK, I'll drive my 6m PA with the K3 (1.5watts) instead of using my 6m transverter (it hears better). Yesterday tried a 222 schedule. <1watt 28Mhz .... NO output. I returned to 6m ... now no output!!! DEAD. Still hears. All other transverters are ok since they operate at mw level and are feed from tranvserter output on the K3 at 28MHz (driving 144Mhz tranverter for IF use for 902, 1296, 10GHz. ? Assumption .. 10watt PA board failure ... Turned on the KXP100 to try HF and sure enough, no drive, so no power out. TODAY:? ?I reloaded backup config file using K3 utility .. no difference as expected. ? Ok I'll do a TX calibration ... 1Mw test went beautifully UNTIL50Mhz .... NO output ... never a bit of power... failed ..... ? I think I recall, that means the K3 "mother board" ?? ? ARGH ... not looking good here :-( ? Reactions .... 73 Bill K0AWU From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Dec 17 15:43:00 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 12:43:00 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> I guess it depends on how accurate you want your K3 frequency display to be. I think AM-S will warp the frequency a tiny bit to sync the carrier so that may not be the best mode. I'd also go as high as you can on WWV. Wayne suggested a method that is somewhere on the E-site which I used-- Use the highest WWV frequency that you can hear well. USB or LSB, WIDTH to 500-800 Hz, SHIFT so can hear the carrier beat note [it will be very low]. CONFIG-->REF CAL, wait for a tone-less minute and adjust REF CAL for exact zero beat. You'll be counting the pulsations in the background noise as you come up on zero beat. I got mine to about 10 seconds per pulsation on 20 MHz back when there were sunspots. That's an accuracy of 0.1 Hz and everything below 20 MHz will be at least that good. 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 - www.cqp.org On 12/16/2016 5:12 PM, Michael via Elecraft wrote: > If I set my K3's VFO to WWV at 5.000000 MHz with AM-S on....and I adjust > "REF CAL" to a number where > my VFO's frequency readout is exact or near this number +/- maybe a Hertz > or two. Is this an accurate way to calibrate my K3? > > It seems to be very accurate as far as I can tell. > > Has anyone used this method? > > Michael > N2ZDB From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Dec 17 15:57:25 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 15:57:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Digital "4 flicker 5" help needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Reduce computer sound output and get finer control with K3 Lin IN control knob. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Don Putnick wrote: > > I'm having a heck of a time fine tuning my output for digital modes. I have > my sound card set at 50% volume. A mic gain of 10 gives me "3 flicker 5". A > mic gain of 11 gives me "solid 5". Conversely if I keep the mic gain at 10 > and change the sound card volume, same symptoms. Any suggestions on fine > tuning my sound card and/or K3? Thanks much and Happy Holidays! > 73 Don NA6Z > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From rglorioso at me.com Sat Dec 17 16:37:02 2016 From: rglorioso at me.com (Robert Glorioso) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 16:37:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Calibration using WWV and a Smartphone Message-ID: Here is how I do it. 1. Load a Music tuning app that also reports frequency in Hx on your smartphone. ?PANO TUNER? on the iPhone is Free, (Not a type, PANO is correct.) 2. Tune in WWV on AM on 5, 10, or 15 MHz. 3. Calibrate the iPhone tuner using 440, 500 or 660 HZ tone that WWV transmits at different times for a few minutes by noting the frequency difference. Mine was well within 1Hz. The tone schedule is on the WWV website. 4. Set the rig to USB and move the carrier until you read 440, 500 or 600Hz lower on your dial, 5. Read the frequency on your smartphone and then recalibrate the rig to read 440, 500 or 600 Hz. 6. You?re now calibrated to within at least 1Hz of the right frequency. 73, Bob W1IS Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 20:12:17 -0500 From: N2ZDB at aol.com To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" If I set my K3's VFO to WWV at 5.000000 MHz with AM-S on....and I adjust "REF CAL" to a number where my VFO's frequency readout is exact or near this number +/- maybe a Hertz or two. Is this an accurate way to calibrate my K3? It seems to be very accurate as far as I can tell. Has anyone used this method? Michael N2ZDB From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 17 17:27:25 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:27:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Calibration using WWV and a Smartphone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All, That is a good method. If you wish to use a computer rather than a smartphone (some of us only have 'dumb' phones), you can feed the radio audio into a soundcard and use an audio spectrum analyzer like Spectrogram or Spectrum Lab. With the audio spectrum analyzer, you do not have to go through the calibration process if your soundcard/computer produces accurate measurements. Go directly to SSB and you can see the pitch of the tones on the display. You can download a clean copy of Spectrogram from my website www.w3fpr.com - look for the link near the bottom of the opening page. The link is to a local file on my website and has been scrubbed many time for virus. I have heard that copies of Spectrogram at other web locations have contained viruses. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/17/2016 4:37 PM, Robert Glorioso wrote: > Here is how I do it. > > 1. Load a Music tuning app that also reports frequency in Hx on your smartphone. ?PANO TUNER? on the iPhone is Free, (Not a type, PANO is correct.) > 2. Tune in WWV on AM on 5, 10, or 15 MHz. > 3. Calibrate the iPhone tuner using 440, 500 or 660 HZ tone that WWV transmits at different times for a few minutes by noting the frequency difference. Mine was well within 1Hz. The tone schedule is on the WWV website. > 4. Set the rig to USB and move the carrier until you read 440, 500 or 600Hz lower on your dial, > 5. Read the frequency on your smartphone and then recalibrate the rig to read 440, 500 or 600 Hz. > 6. You?re now calibrated to within at least 1Hz of the right frequency. > > 73, > Bob > W1IS > > > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 20:12:17 -0500 > From: N2ZDB at aol.com > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > If I set my K3's VFO to WWV at 5.000000 MHz with AM-S on....and I adjust > "REF CAL" to a number where > my VFO's frequency readout is exact or near this number +/- maybe a Hertz > or two. Is this an accurate way to calibrate my K3? > > It seems to be very accurate as far as I can tell. > > Has anyone used this method? > > Michael > N2ZDB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From n6axjohn at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 17:49:53 2016 From: n6axjohn at gmail.com (John Klewer) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 14:49:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S No TX Audio via USB Message-ID: OK....I have read several archived email threads regarding this issue some other hams are having without finding a resolution to my problem...please help! Running a new K3S with a Mac running WSJT-x for JT-65 mode Transceiver is connected per the manual and I am able to control the K3 with my logging program (MacloggerDX) when it is so connected...in other words I have control and communications between the computer and the XCVR WSJT-X receive works great and able to decode signals fine. I have selected the appropriate USB CODEC as shown in my Mac system settings and, of course, in the WSJT-X configuration menu. I have nothing plugged into the Line In or Line Out jacks of the K3S There is no TX audio, listening to an external receiver or the radio's monitor regardless of setting and regardless of Mic Gain settings (running in USB mode for WSJT of course) This is a brand new K3S with version 5.50 installed My friend has the same setup except with a Windows computer and has the same problem with his setup. Any help is appreciated Thanks John, N6AX From john.kaufmann at verizon.net Sat Dec 17 17:54:26 2016 From: john.kaufmann at verizon.net (John Kaufmann) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:54:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 Message-ID: <005901d258b8$85102420$8f306c60$@verizon.net> I had the same issue with my K3S. I was seeing 80W maximum on 160 and it would not drive my AL1200 to full power (1500W). Redoing the power calibration did not fix the issue. Elecraft Tech Support told me that my K3S was within spec but that increasing the power supply voltage could yield more power output. I ended up increasing my supply voltage from 13.8 volts to 14.5 volts and was able to get 90W out, which was a bit of an improvement. There is a trim pot inside my Astron RS-35M supply that adjusts the output voltage. 73, John W1FV ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:27:48 -0500 From: "Gary Smith" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 Message-ID: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8 at Gary.ka1j.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I usually don't run barefoot at 100W and don't drive my amp with more than around 50W. Tonight when I tried running at 100W on 160 I was surprised to find it only putting out 81W. It puts out incrementally till 81W and then even though I can adjust the power so it reads 100W on the K3s LCD bar and numerical display, the watt meter in the P3 and the LP-100A both show the wattage stopping at 81W. With the ATU in or out it gives 81W out on 160, SWR is 1.28 All other bands except 6M give around 98W, 6M gives 87W Any ideas what might be causing the lower output on 160? Thanks & 73, Gary KA1J From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Dec 17 18:49:50 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 18:49:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S No TX Audio via USB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You should be using DATA A mode for wsjt. Look in the manual for data modes. It works. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:49 PM, John Klewer wrote: > > OK....I have read several archived email threads regarding this issue some > other hams are having without finding a resolution to my problem...please > help! > > Running a new K3S with a Mac running WSJT-x for JT-65 mode > > Transceiver is connected per the manual and I am able to control the K3 > with my logging program (MacloggerDX) when it is so connected...in other > words I have control and communications between the computer and the XCVR > > WSJT-X receive works great and able to decode signals fine. > > I have selected the appropriate USB CODEC as shown in my Mac system > settings and, of course, in the WSJT-X configuration menu. > > I have nothing plugged into the Line In or Line Out jacks of the K3S > > There is no TX audio, listening to an external receiver or the radio's > monitor regardless of setting and regardless of Mic Gain settings (running > in USB mode for WSJT of course) > > This is a brand new K3S with version 5.50 installed > > My friend has the same setup except with a Windows computer and has the > same problem with his setup. > > Any help is appreciated > > Thanks > > John, N6AX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 19:15:03 2016 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:15:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S No TX Audio via USB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, Be sure you are using LINE IN gain rather than MIC GAIN to adjust the Tx audio level. 73, Lyle KK7P On 12/17/16 4:49 PM, Nr4c wrote: > You should be using DATA A mode for wsjt. > > Look in the manual for data modes. It works. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:49 PM, John Klewer wrote: >> >> OK....I have read several archived email threads regarding this issue some >> other hams are having without finding a resolution to my problem...please >> help! >> >> Running a new K3S with a Mac running WSJT-x for JT-65 mode >> >> Transceiver is connected per the manual and I am able to control the K3 >> with my logging program (MacloggerDX) when it is so connected...in other >> words I have control and communications between the computer and the XCVR >> >> WSJT-X receive works great and able to decode signals fine. >> >> I have selected the appropriate USB CODEC as shown in my Mac system >> settings and, of course, in the WSJT-X configuration menu. >> >> I have nothing plugged into the Line In or Line Out jacks of the K3S >> >> There is no TX audio, listening to an external receiver or the radio's >> monitor regardless of setting and regardless of Mic Gain settings (running >> in USB mode for WSJT of course) >> >> This is a brand new K3S with version 5.50 installed >> >> My friend has the same setup except with a Windows computer and has the >> same problem with his setup. >> >> Any help is appreciated >> >> Thanks >> >> John, N6AX >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kk7p4dsp at gmail.com From gkidder at ilstu.edu Sat Dec 17 19:43:50 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 19:43:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 without KPA500 In-Reply-To: <000a01d25892$41fb1850$c5f148f0$@elecraft.com> References: <3548AE368B0348B4802FB6755FA765F8@SHACKXPS> <63fffe51-a6ba-caf5-8d35-df9f50cf4772@ilstu.edu> <000a01d25892$41fb1850$c5f148f0$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <2ddf99cf-ceef-d969-db66-e72889d59598@ilstu.edu> I seem not to have made myself very clear. Let's leave the amp (both the AL-80A and the KPS500 out of consideration - I can deal with those later. My question is - can one use a _E850463 Aux cable_ to transfer band, frequency etc. information directly from the K3 to the KAT500, with no amplifier involved? I know one can make use of the RCA cables to control the keying, and the amplifier will detect frequency, presumably from anything down to a Heath AT-1 (if anyone remembers what that was.) This is not the question. When controlled through the Aux cable, there are a number of useful functions available (along with keying control) which I would expect might be available if the Aux cable connected the K3 and the KAT3 directly. The KAT500 manual pussy-foots around this issue - there are hints that it might work, but no definitive statement. Has anyone tried this method? With what results? Dick's response seems to indicate that it won't work. George, W3HBM On 12/17/2016) 1:20 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote: > Should be fine. > > Use a cable with RCA plugs to connect the K3's KEY OUT connector to one of > the KAT500's PTT RELAY connectors, and another RCA cable the other KAT500 > PTT RELAY connector to the amplifier KEY IN. This allows the KAT500 to > interrupt the PA key line during tuning. > > When you move to a KPA500, add an additional 15-pin ACC cable from KAT500 to > amp, and don't use the RCA cables, as the key lines are incorporated in the > 15-pin cables. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of George > Kidder > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 08:09 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 without KPA500 > > I am considering purchase of the KAT500 to use with my K3 and an old AL-80A, > with a view to future expansion to the KPA500. Is there any reason why an > Auxbus cable direct from the K3 to the KAT500 would not provide the > necessary band and frequency information? > > George, W3HBM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to dick at elecraft.com > From k6mr at outlook.com Sat Dec 17 19:52:43 2016 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 00:52:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 without KPA500 In-Reply-To: <2ddf99cf-ceef-d969-db66-e72889d59598@ilstu.edu> References: <3548AE368B0348B4802FB6755FA765F8@SHACKXPS> <63fffe51-a6ba-caf5-8d35-df9f50cf4772@ilstu.edu> <000a01d25892$41fb1850$c5f148f0$@elecraft.com>, <2ddf99cf-ceef-d969-db66-e72889d59598@ilstu.edu> Message-ID: In a word, yes. It works fine. I switch my amplifier between two K3s, but have two KAT500s. Each KAT500 is connected to a K3 all the time. When the K3 without the amp is tuned, the KAT500 follows the frequency changes. I leave mine in manual mode (for those bands that need the tuner) and can hear the relays click as I move into a new segment. AFAIK the frequency data is on the aux bus, so with the stock cable it will work fine. I built my own cables because my amps/tuners are in a closet 25 feet away. Ken K6MR From: George Kidder Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 4:44 PM To: Dick Dievendorff; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 without KPA500 I seem not to have made myself very clear. Let's leave the amp (both the AL-80A and the KPS500 out of consideration - I can deal with those later. My question is - can one use a _E850463 Aux cable_ to transfer band, frequency etc. information directly from the K3 to the KAT500, with no amplifier involved? I know one can make use of the RCA cables to control the keying, and the amplifier will detect frequency, presumably from anything down to a Heath AT-1 (if anyone remembers what that was.) This is not the question. When controlled through the Aux cable, there are a number of useful functions available (along with keying control) which I would expect might be available if the Aux cable connected the K3 and the KAT3 directly. The KAT500 manual pussy-foots around this issue - there are hints that it might work, but no definitive statement. Has anyone tried this method? With what results? Dick's response seems to indicate that it won't work. George, W3HBM On 12/17/2016) 1:20 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote: > Should be fine. > > Use a cable with RCA plugs to connect the K3's KEY OUT connector to one of > the KAT500's PTT RELAY connectors, and another RCA cable the other KAT500 > PTT RELAY connector to the amplifier KEY IN. This allows the KAT500 to > interrupt the PA key line during tuning. > > When you move to a KPA500, add an additional 15-pin ACC cable from KAT500 to > amp, and don't use the RCA cables, as the key lines are incorporated in the > 15-pin cables. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of George > Kidder > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 08:09 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 without KPA500 > > I am considering purchase of the KAT500 to use with my K3 and an old AL-80A, > with a view to future expansion to the KPA500. Is there any reason why an > Auxbus cable direct from the K3 to the KAT500 would not provide the > necessary band and frequency information? > > George, W3HBM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to dick at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Dec 17 19:56:29 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 16:56:29 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 without KPA500 In-Reply-To: <2ddf99cf-ceef-d969-db66-e72889d59598@ilstu.edu> References: <3548AE368B0348B4802FB6755FA765F8@SHACKXPS> <63fffe51-a6ba-caf5-8d35-df9f50cf4772@ilstu.edu> <000a01d25892$41fb1850$c5f148f0$@elecraft.com> <2ddf99cf-ceef-d969-db66-e72889d59598@ilstu.edu> Message-ID: You were quite clear, at least to me. The answer is YES. The normal setup is the K3 AUX goes to the XCVR jack on the KAT500. It gets frequency info. *If* you have a KPA500, another such cable connects from the KAT500 to it. If you don't have a KPA500, that connector is empty. Does that answer your original question? I don't know about the pussyfooting. [:-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 - www.cqp.org On 12/17/2016 4:43 PM, George Kidder wrote: > I seem not to have made myself very clear. Let's leave the amp (both > the AL-80A and the KPS500 out of consideration - I can deal with those > later. My question is - can one use a _E850463 Aux cable_ to transfer > band, frequency etc. information directly from the K3 to the KAT500, > with no amplifier involved? I know one can make use of the RCA cables > to control the keying, and the amplifier will detect frequency, > presumably from anything down to a Heath AT-1 (if anyone remembers what > that was.) This is not the question. When controlled through the Aux > cable, there are a number of useful functions available (along with > keying control) which I would expect might be available if the Aux cable > connected the K3 and the KAT3 directly. > > The KAT500 manual pussy-foots around this issue - there are hints that > it might work, but no definitive statement. > > Has anyone tried this method? With what results? Dick's response seems > to indicate that it won't work. > > George, W3HBM From huntinhmb at coastside.net Sat Dec 17 20:34:03 2016 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:34:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 In-Reply-To: <005901d258b8$85102420$8f306c60$@verizon.net> References: <005901d258b8$85102420$8f306c60$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <6FB73AEB-D3B2-448F-8007-03E40DBA2914@coastside.net> A short story..... I was having awful trouble with my K3 #4113 with power overshoot with band or power change on 40m especially but all bands to some degree. Also max power out on 15m was 85w. 160m unknown since I don't op there. As you did, I upped the PS voltage and ran a TX Gain Cal and it got better for a while but wasn't a cure. In "fix it or break it" mode, I updated the firmware to latest production version (was on 5.3.8) and reran the TX Gain Cal. Not much improvement. Thinking maybe I did something wrong, I redid the TX Gain Cal and for some reason, while in the K3 utility, ran the 50 watt cal a second time. Totally different gain values in the status listing AND problem cured! No overshoot and full output on 15m. Happy camper. The only thing I can think is that the power of the K3 was taking longer to settle than the cal software allowed giving less than ideal results. OK- long story and I don't know if this will help your problem but it might be worth a try. GL! 73, Brian, K0DTJ > On Dec 17, 2016, at 14:54, John Kaufmann wrote: > > I had the same issue with my K3S. I was seeing 80W maximum on 160 and it > would not drive my AL1200 to full power (1500W). Redoing the power > calibration did not fix the issue. > > > > Elecraft Tech Support told me that my K3S was within spec but that > increasing the power supply voltage could yield more power output. I ended > up increasing my supply voltage from 13.8 volts to 14.5 volts and was able > to get 90W out, which was a bit of an improvement. There is a trim pot > inside my Astron RS-35M supply that adjusts the output voltage. > > > > 73, John W1FV > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 10 > > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:27:48 -0500 > > From: "Gary Smith" > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 > > Message-ID: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8 at Gary.ka1j.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > > I usually don't run barefoot at 100W and > > don't drive my amp with more than around > > 50W. Tonight when I tried running at 100W > > on 160 I was surprised to find it only > > putting out 81W. It puts out incrementally > > till 81W and then even though I can adjust > > the power so it reads 100W on the K3s LCD > > bar and numerical display, the watt meter > > in the P3 and the LP-100A both show the > > wattage stopping at 81W. > > > > With the ATU in or out it gives 81W out on > > 160, SWR is 1.28 > > > > All other bands except 6M give around 98W, > > 6M gives 87W > > > > Any ideas what might be causing the lower > > output on 160? > > > > Thanks & 73, > > > > Gary > > KA1J > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to huntinhmb at coastside.net From kevinr at coho.net Sat Dec 17 23:31:10 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 20:31:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <9d792883-f664-4870-2f20-e5fd6a7f37af@coho.net> Good Evening, Conditions continue to challenge. The sun is active, kind of. Noise levels are up from a variety of solar occurrences. However, you can still hear and work folks; just not always where you had wanted to :) Colder than normal temperatures have brought fluffy snow. Anything touching it leaves a story. The elk are easier to track. It's fun to see the snow falling into a hoof print in the shade. If you are very lucky you get to see them disappear nearby. Each new storm provides a blank slate. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From b.denley at comcast.net Sun Dec 18 00:17:23 2016 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 00:17:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> Message-ID: <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> Fred, Don: I ask because I am curious. On any older receiver, calibration at 20 MHz would not guarantee cal below that ( or at any other frequency ). One could be 5 hz high at 30 MHz but 10 hz low at 7 MHz. Why is the K3 different? Brian Denley KB1VBF Sent from my iPad > On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > I guess it depends on how accurate you want your K3 frequency display to be. I think AM-S will warp the frequency a tiny bit to sync the carrier so that may not be the best mode. I'd also go as high as you can on WWV. > > Wayne suggested a method that is somewhere on the E-site which I used-- > > Use the highest WWV frequency that you can hear well. USB or LSB, WIDTH to 500-800 Hz, SHIFT so can hear the carrier beat note [it will be very low]. CONFIG-->REF CAL, wait for a tone-less minute and adjust REF CAL for exact zero beat. You'll be counting the pulsations in the background noise as you come up on zero beat. > > I got mine to about 10 seconds per pulsation on 20 MHz back when there were sunspots. That's an accuracy of 0.1 Hz and everything below 20 MHz will be at least that good. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Sparks NV DM09dn > > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 > - www.cqp.org > >> On 12/16/2016 5:12 PM, Michael via Elecraft wrote: >> If I set my K3's VFO to WWV at 5.000000 MHz with AM-S on....and I adjust >> "REF CAL" to a number where >> my VFO's frequency readout is exact or near this number +/- maybe a Hertz >> or two. Is this an accurate way to calibrate my K3? >> >> It seems to be very accurate as far as I can tell. >> >> Has anyone used this method? >> >> Michael >> N2ZDB > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to b.denley at comcast.net From n6axjohn at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 01:15:44 2016 From: n6axjohn at gmail.com (John Klewer) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 22:15:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Macro command question Message-ID: Learning how to do the macro thing with my K3S....perhaps it is just too late at night but I cannot seem to find a reference to the command to set "Line In" level Found Mic Gain but no reference to Line in setting in Data A mode Any help, please? Thanks John From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Dec 18 01:49:47 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 22:49:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> Message-ID: Fair question ... actually a good question. Short answer: On vintage receivers, the VFO freq [the local oscillator that heterodynes to the IF freq] is switched for each band ... except of course if it's a Collins radio. It's a single dial with multiple fixed scales but multiple frequency determining networks. Calibrating one to WWV has no bearing on any of the others, and your example is correct. For a K3 [and all like it], the "VFO" is synthesized from a single, non-switched source regardless of band. Get it within 1 Hz at 80, and it will be within 2Hz [or so, it's digital after all] at 40. So, you want to to do the adjustment at the highest possibly frequency ... all the lower ones will be *at least* as good. A critical factor in this procedure is that the WWV signal strength needs to be hign enough to discern the zero beat clearly. I did mine at 20 MHz when there were lots of sunspots. At the end of 2016, you may need to settle for a lower WWV. The difference will be tiny in any case. 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 - www.cqp.org On 12/17/2016 9:17 PM, Brian Denley wrote: > Fred, Don: I ask because I am curious. On any older receiver, > calibration at 20 MHz would not guarantee cal below that ( or at any > other frequency ). One could be 5 hz high at 30 MHz but 10 hz low at > 7 MHz. Why is the K3 different? > > Brian Denley KB1VBF Sent from my iPad From aj8mh-radio at charter.net Sun Dec 18 06:08:07 2016 From: aj8mh-radio at charter.net (Joe Hutchens AJ8MH-Radio) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 06:08:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question In-Reply-To: <6FB73AEB-D3B2-448F-8007-03E40DBA2914@coastside.net> References: <005901d258b8$85102420$8f306c60$@verizon.net> <6FB73AEB-D3B2-448F-8007-03E40DBA2914@coastside.net> Message-ID: This is a question I've been wanting to ask... I've had a KPA500 for 4 years and I've noticed that 20 meters requires more drive. Most bands require 30 watts or less, but 20 requires 35-37 for 500 watts out. In the phone portion of 20, an SWR of 1.4:1 WILL cause a fault. It's just real sensitive to the load on 20. I have to use a tuner and make sure I'm close to 1.1:1. Works fine into a dummy load, but high drive is still required. I've lived with it, because I don't operate SSB very often on any band, but lately I've been chasing NPOTA stations and find myself using 20 SSB. I assembled the amp, and it's been like this from day one. Anyone else see this on 20. Just interested. Joe (AJ8MH) From k9ztv at socket.net Sun Dec 18 07:40:18 2016 From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 06:40:18 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9EE257C9-EC48-45E2-93B7-5CD5114A1269@socket.net> The R.L. Drake Company referred to the zeroing or beating indicators as "canary chirps," the goal being to slow the "chirping" until there was a steady tone indicating you were then dead-on. I still find that the most descriptive way to tell someone how to identify the pulsing when doing the Reference Calibration against WWV in a K3 (at the highest frequency you can copy them). The trick is to get the right balance in volume between WWV's main carrier tone and the K3's sidetone so you can hear the "chirps." Kent, K9ZTV From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 18 08:07:18 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 08:07:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> Message-ID: Brian, The higher the WWV frequency, the possible percentage of error goes down. One or two Hz is a smaller fraction of 20MHz than at 5MHz. In the K3, you are calibrating the reference (out of the synthesizer) rather than calibrating the actual VFO frequency. The actual VFO frequency is derived from and phase locked to that reference. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/18/2016 12:17 AM, Brian Denley wrote: > Fred, Don: > I ask because I am curious. On any older receiver, calibration at 20 MHz would not guarantee cal below that ( or at any other frequency ). One could be 5 hz high at 30 MHz but 10 hz low at 7 MHz. Why is the K3 different? > > Brian Denley > KB1VBF > Sent from my iPad > >> On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> >> I guess it depends on how accurate you want your K3 frequency display to be. I think AM-S will warp the frequency a tiny bit to sync the carrier so that may not be the best mode. I'd also go as high as you can on WWV. >> >> Wayne suggested a method that is somewhere on the E-site which I used-- >> >> Use the highest WWV frequency that you can hear well. USB or LSB, WIDTH to 500-800 Hz, SHIFT so can hear the carrier beat note [it will be very low]. CONFIG-->REF CAL, wait for a tone-less minute and adjust REF CAL for exact zero beat. You'll be counting the pulsations in the background noise as you come up on zero beat. >> >> I got mine to about 10 seconds per pulsation on 20 MHz back when there were sunspots. That's an accuracy of 0.1 Hz and everything below 20 MHz will be at least that good. >> >> 73, >> >> Fred K6DGW >> - Sparks NV DM09dn >> >> - Northern California Contest Club >> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 >> - www.cqp.org >> >>> On 12/16/2016 5:12 PM, Michael via Elecraft wrote: >>> If I set my K3's VFO to WWV at 5.000000 MHz with AM-S on....and I adjust >>> "REF CAL" to a number where >>> my VFO's frequency readout is exact or near this number +/- maybe a Hertz >>> or two. Is this an accurate way to calibrate my K3? >>> >>> It seems to be very accurate as far as I can tell. >>> >>> Has anyone used this method? >>> >>> Michael >>> N2ZDB >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to b.denley at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 18 08:14:35 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 08:14:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question In-Reply-To: References: <005901d258b8$85102420$8f306c60$@verizon.net> <6FB73AEB-D3B2-448F-8007-03E40DBA2914@coastside.net> Message-ID: <7890ff43-3d5e-583d-7563-cb6b2bf79609@embarqmail.com> Joe, The gain of any amplifier will not be constant across all bands. If you are driving with the K3, there is a per band power setting so you can compensate. See page 27 of the K3 manual. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/18/2016 6:08 AM, Joe Hutchens AJ8MH-Radio wrote: > This is a question I've been wanting to ask... > > I've had a KPA500 for 4 years and I've noticed that 20 meters requires > more drive. Most bands require 30 watts or less, but 20 requires 35-37 > for 500 watts out. In the phone portion of 20, an SWR of 1.4:1 WILL > cause a fault. It's just real sensitive to the load on 20. I have to > use a tuner and make sure I'm close to 1.1:1. Works fine into a dummy > load, but high drive is still required. > From alsopb at comcast.net Sun Dec 18 08:46:19 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:46:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <9EE257C9-EC48-45E2-93B7-5CD5114A1269@socket.net> References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> <9EE257C9-EC48-45E2-93B7-5CD5114A1269@socket.net> Message-ID: <5856932B.5060605@comcast.net> Expectations may be too high..... All these WWV methods assume there is no Doppler shift present on the WWV signal. Other things to consider: TCXO drift, synthesizer limitations and new synthesizer quirks. During disturbed times, Doppler could be 1 Hz or more. Unfortunately, the Doppler shift present depends upon just about everything-- location, time of day, atmospheric reflecting layer heights, path, the list goes on. Keep in mind the new synthesizers add an additional quarter Hz (+/-) uncertainty. The syncing of the SI570 to the master oscillator produces sawtooth jumps of that magnitude, sometimes more vs time. There are also band to band variations introduced by limitation in finding exact synthesizer divide ratios. Old synthesizers showed many Hz deviations from band to band and as one tuned up the band. These variations are much smaller with the new synthesizers. Then there is drift. If you are not using XREF, you will experience maybe 10 Hz or more warm up drifts. The high stability oscillator takes about four hours to reach its most stable point. The standard oscillator reaches that point a few hours earlier. The old engineer cautioned: "Never believe the last digit displayed in any device". In this case, don't expect to be within 1 Hz on all bands, all frequencies at all times-- no matter what calibration method you use. Look at the K3 specs. Nowhere will you find an expectation of such accuracy. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 12/18/2016 12:40 PM, K9ZTV wrote: > The R.L. Drake Company referred to the zeroing or beating indicators as "canary chirps," the goal being to slow the "chirping" until there was a steady tone indicating you were then dead-on. I still find that the most descriptive way to tell someone how to identify the pulsing when doing the Reference Calibration against WWV in a K3 (at the highest frequency you can copy them). The trick is to get the right balance in volume between WWV's main carrier tone and the K3's sidetone so you can hear the "chirps." > > Kent, K9ZTV > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > From john at kk9a.com Sun Dec 18 10:27:30 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 10:27:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question Message-ID: <001801d25943$42318c30$c694a490$@com> I think requiring a different drive level is normal for most amplifiers. The K3S is the only transceiver that I have owned where the output can be set differently for each band, which is wonderful. My KPA-500 is pretty tolerant of SWR 2:1 or less however that may depend on the load type. What is your 20m antenna? John KK9A From: Joe Hutchens AJ8MH This is a question I've been wanting to ask... I've had a KPA500 for 4 years and I've noticed that 20 meters requires more drive. Most bands require 30 watts or less, but 20 requires 35-37 for 500 watts out. In the phone portion of 20, an SWR of 1.4:1 WILL cause a fault. It's just real sensitive to the load on 20. I have to use a tuner and make sure I'm close to 1.1:1. Works fine into a dummy load, but high drive is still required. I've lived with it, because I don't operate SSB very often on any band, but lately I've been chasing NPOTA stations and find myself using 20 SSB. I assembled the amp, and it's been like this from day one. Anyone else see this on 20. Just interested. Joe (AJ8MH) From n6axjohn at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 11:15:18 2016 From: n6axjohn at gmail.com (John Klewer) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 08:15:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Macro command question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I figured out my error.... Please disregard JK On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 10:15 PM, John Klewer wrote: > Learning how to do the macro thing with my K3S....perhaps it is just too > late at night but I cannot seem to find a reference to the command to set > "Line In" level > > Found Mic Gain but no reference to Line in setting in Data A mode > > Any help, please? > > Thanks > > John > From aj8mh-radio at charter.net Sun Dec 18 11:26:32 2016 From: aj8mh-radio at charter.net (AJ8MH-Radio.Joe.Hutchens) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 11:26:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question In-Reply-To: <001801d25943$42318c30$c694a490$@com> References: <001801d25943$42318c30$c694a490$@com> Message-ID: <020f1f6f-2bbd-9c66-bf6f-56c28d04feec@charter.net> My antenna is a TA-33-M-WARC. It's flat around 14.150, but goes up fast as you head toward .350. I have an FT-950 and FTDX-3000, and both need increased drive to get me to 500 watts. More concerned about the fault at 1.4:1. Although the two could be related. Anyway, the auto tuner handles it. Looks like .28 uH and 62 pf switched in. I need to check the load with my analyzer. 73, Joe ( AJ8MH-Radio ) On 12/18/2016 10:27 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > I think requiring a different drive level is normal for most amplifiers. > The K3S is the only transceiver that I have owned where the output can be > set differently for each band, which is wonderful. My KPA-500 is pretty > tolerant of SWR 2:1 or less however that may depend on the load type. What > is your 20m antenna? > > John KK9A > > From kilo6te at yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 11:41:05 2016 From: kilo6te at yahoo.com (Wim Dewilder) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 16:41:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question References: <2091411231.7647064.1482079265360.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2091411231.7647064.1482079265360@mail.yahoo.com> I have the same 'issue' on 20m my SWR on the hustler 6BTV is 1.4but when I operate on that band the internal temperature seems to risemuch faster than other bands and I eventually get a fault. On 40m I have similar SWR on the digital frequencies and there I don't havean issue what so ever. I can work long time with higher output powers (like double that of 20m) It does seem a tuner is required even with lower SWR's due to some reason .. 73 de K6TE Wim On 12/18/2016 6:08 AM, Joe Hutchens AJ8MH-Radio wrote: > This is a question I've been wanting to ask... > > I've had a KPA500 for 4 years and I've noticed that 20 meters requires > more drive. Most bands require 30 watts or less, but 20 requires 35-37 > for 500 watts out. In the phone portion of 20, an SWR of 1.4:1 WILL > cause a fault. It's just real sensitive to the load on 20. I have to > use a tuner and make sure I'm close to 1.1:1. Works fine into a dummy > load, but high drive is still required. > From b.denley at comcast.net Sun Dec 18 12:18:35 2016 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 12:18:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <5856932B.5060605@comcast.net> References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> <9EE257C9-EC48-45E2-93B7-5CD5114A1269@socket.net> <5856932B.5060605@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks to all for the explanations. Brian Denley KB1VBF Sent from my iPad > On Dec 18, 2016, at 8:46 AM, brian wrote: > > Expectations may be too high..... > > All these WWV methods assume there is no Doppler shift present on the WWV signal. Other things to consider: TCXO drift, synthesizer limitations and new synthesizer quirks. > > During disturbed times, Doppler could be 1 Hz or more. > Unfortunately, the Doppler shift present depends upon just about everything-- location, time of day, atmospheric reflecting layer heights, path, the list goes on. > > Keep in mind the new synthesizers add an additional quarter Hz (+/-) uncertainty. The syncing of the SI570 to the master oscillator produces sawtooth jumps of that magnitude, sometimes more vs time. > There are also band to band variations introduced by limitation in finding exact synthesizer divide ratios. Old synthesizers showed many Hz deviations from band to band and as one tuned up the band. These variations are much smaller with the new synthesizers. > > Then there is drift. If you are not using XREF, you will experience maybe 10 Hz or more warm up drifts. The high stability oscillator takes about four hours to reach its most stable point. The standard oscillator reaches that point a few hours earlier. > > The old engineer cautioned: "Never believe the last digit displayed in any device". In this case, don't expect to be within 1 Hz on all bands, all frequencies at all times-- no matter what calibration method you use. Look at the K3 specs. Nowhere will you find an expectation of such accuracy. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > >> On 12/18/2016 12:40 PM, K9ZTV wrote: >> The R.L. Drake Company referred to the zeroing or beating indicators as "canary chirps," the goal being to slow the "chirping" until there was a steady tone indicating you were then dead-on. I still find that the most descriptive way to tell someone how to identify the pulsing when doing the Reference Calibration against WWV in a K3 (at the highest frequency you can copy them). The trick is to get the right balance in volume between WWV's main carrier tone and the K3's sidetone so you can hear the "chirps." >> >> Kent, K9ZTV >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to b.denley at comcast.net From ab2tc at arrl.net Sun Dec 18 12:35:58 2016 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 10:35:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] marc.info Message-ID: <1482082558461-7624763.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, Does anybody know what's up with marc.info? There have been no posts in three days. AB2TC - Knut -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/marc-info-tp7624763.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Dec 18 13:03:26 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:03:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Question In-Reply-To: References: <005901d258b8$85102420$8f306c60$@verizon.net> <6FB73AEB-D3B2-448F-8007-03E40DBA2914@coastside.net> Message-ID: What is your antenna like on 20 meters? Sounds more like antenna than amp. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 18, 2016, at 6:08 AM, Joe Hutchens AJ8MH-Radio wrote: > > This is a question I've been wanting to ask... > > I've had a KPA500 for 4 years and I've noticed that 20 meters requires more drive. Most bands require 30 watts or less, but 20 requires 35-37 for 500 watts out. In the phone portion of 20, an SWR of 1.4:1 WILL cause a fault. It's just real sensitive to the load on 20. I have to use a tuner and make sure I'm close to 1.1:1. Works fine into a dummy load, but high drive is still required. > > I've lived with it, because I don't operate SSB very often on any band, but lately I've been chasing NPOTA stations and find myself using 20 SSB. > > I assembled the amp, and it's been like this from day one. Anyone else see this on 20. Just interested. > > Joe (AJ8MH) > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Dec 18 13:08:06 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:08:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <9EE257C9-EC48-45E2-93B7-5CD5114A1269@socket.net> References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> <9EE257C9-EC48-45E2-93B7-5CD5114A1269@socket.net> Message-ID: Chirps? Mine is more like a slow "whump whump whump", not a chirp. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 18, 2016, at 7:40 AM, K9ZTV wrote: > > The R.L. Drake Company referred to the zeroing or beating indicators as "canary chirps," the goal being to slow the "chirping" until there was a steady tone indicating you were then dead-on. I still find that the most descriptive way to tell someone how to identify the pulsing when doing the Reference Calibration against WWV in a K3 (at the highest frequency you can copy them). The trick is to get the right balance in volume between WWV's main carrier tone and the K3's sidetone so you can hear the "chirps." > > Kent, K9ZTV > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From silverlocks at gmx.com Sun Dec 18 13:09:03 2016 From: silverlocks at gmx.com (Emory Schley) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 19:09:03 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> <9EE257C9-EC48-45E2-93B7-5CD5114A1269@socket.net> <5856932B.5060605@comcast.net>, Message-ID: Hi Guys; ? I really don't mean to show my ignorance, but all this talk about calibration and power out is good up to a point, but if your signal is off the mark by a couple Hertz, does it really make any REAL WORLD difference? Even when running PSK31 surely you can be off the "beam" a Hertz or two or three, maybe more? and you'll still have rock solld communications. ? One fellow seemed unhappy with a rig putting out "only" 80 watts instead of the full 100, but there is no way the ham on the other end of the QSO is going to detect the "deficit". It pretty much boils down to "Can he hear me" and "Can I hear him"? If the answer is yes to both questions, then all the rest is just fodder for textbooks and endless discussion/arguing. ? I know engineers and wannabe engineers want absolute accuracy. I'm no fan of sloppiness myself, BUT if you actually consider what you're dealing with along with the vagaries of propagation, then "close enough" should be good enough for anyone. If the tool (the radio/antenna system, in this case) is good enough to get the job done, then isn't that "good enough," period? ? I really don't wish to start any in-fighting here, and I freely admit I'm not technologically competent enough to sustain my opinions in any absolute way in a technical discussion, but really, instead of wasting so much time slicing hairs, wouldn't you really rather be on the air instead, having fun? I would. :-) ? Merry Christmas/Happy Hannukah/Have a Good Day (Take your pick), ? Emory Schley N4LP ? ? Sent:?Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 12:18 PM From:?"Brian Denley" To:?brian Cc:?elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject:?Re: [Elecraft] Checking VFO accuracy using WWV Thanks to all for the explanations. Brian Denley KB1VBF Sent from my iPad > On Dec 18, 2016, at 8:46 AM, brian wrote: > > Expectations may be too high..... > > All these WWV methods assume there is no Doppler shift present on the WWV signal. Other things to consider: TCXO drift, synthesizer limitations and new synthesizer quirks. > > During disturbed times, Doppler could be 1 Hz or more. > Unfortunately, the Doppler shift present depends upon just about everything-- location, time of day, atmospheric reflecting layer heights, path, the list goes on. > > Keep in mind the new synthesizers add an additional quarter Hz (+/-) uncertainty. The syncing of the SI570 to the master oscillator produces sawtooth jumps of that magnitude, sometimes more vs time. > There are also band to band variations introduced by limitation in finding exact synthesizer divide ratios. Old synthesizers showed many Hz deviations from band to band and as one tuned up the band. These variations are much smaller with the new synthesizers. > > Then there is drift. If you are not using XREF, you will experience maybe 10 Hz or more warm up drifts. The high stability oscillator takes about four hours to reach its most stable point. The standard oscillator reaches that point a few hours earlier. > > The old engineer cautioned: "Never believe the last digit displayed in any device". In this case, don't expect to be within 1 Hz on all bands, all frequencies at all times-- no matter what calibration method you use. Look at the K3 specs. Nowhere will you find an expectation of such accuracy. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > >> On 12/18/2016 12:40 PM, K9ZTV wrote: >> The R.L. Drake Company referred to the zeroing or beating indicators as "canary chirps," the goal being to slow the "chirping" until there was a steady tone indicating you were then dead-on. I still find that the most descriptive way to tell someone how to identify the pulsing when doing the Reference Calibration against WWV in a K3 (at the highest frequency you can copy them). The trick is to get the right balance in volume between WWV's main carrier tone and the K3's sidetone so you can hear the "chirps." >> >> Kent, K9ZTV >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm[http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm] >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net[http://www.qsl.net] >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html[http://www.qsl.net/donate.html] >> Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft[http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft] > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm[http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm] > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net[http://www.qsl.net] > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html[http://www.qsl.net/donate.html] > Message delivered to b.denley at comcast.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft[http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft] Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm[http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm] Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net[http://www.qsl.net] Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html[http://www.qsl.net/donate.html] Message delivered to silverlocks at gmx.com From n9vx.joe at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 13:10:36 2016 From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:10:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 For Sale Message-ID: For Sale Elecraft P3-F factory built panadapter with optional P3SVGA adapter for computer monitor use. No scratches and has not been around tobacco smoke. Serial number 36xx. Comes with original box, manual and cable set (2 power cables (from P3 or from power supply), RF cable and data cable). $800 plus shipping. Payment by money order, Cashier's check or cash. I do not have a Papal account.Contact me at n9vx dot joe at gmail.com Joe N9VX From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Dec 18 13:34:33 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 10:34:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] marc.info In-Reply-To: <1482082558461-7624763.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1482082558461-7624763.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <15bf9525-813a-8f71-c676-b32c6e2fc4da@socal.rr.com> No, Knut. I just looked: Rather ominous. There other archives such as http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/ though I tend to use the marc archive. Phil W7OX On 12/18/16 9:35 AM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anybody know what's up with marc.info? There have been no posts in > three days. > > AB2TC - Knut From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Dec 18 13:36:20 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:36:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] marc.info In-Reply-To: <1482082558461-7624763.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1482082558461-7624763.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: ??????? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 18, 2016, at 12:35 PM, ab2tc wrote: > > Hi all, > > Does anybody know what's up with marc.info? There have been no posts in > three days. > > AB2TC - Knut > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/marc-info-tp7624763.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Dec 18 13:39:36 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 10:39:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] marc.info In-Reply-To: <1482082558461-7624763.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1482082558461-7624763.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <57f8fb88-666a-6e95-a282-8da2edb7c11d@socal.rr.com> For clarification, Knut refers to this archive: http://marc.info/?l=elecraft which I've found quite useful. Phil W7OX On 12/18/16 9:35 AM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anybody know what's up with marc.info? There have been no posts in > three days. > > AB2TC - Knut From brendon at whateley.com Sun Dec 18 13:56:12 2016 From: brendon at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 10:56:12 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> Message-ID: Depending on why you want the accuracy, I think you could improve things by building a phase comparator to "listen" to the radio output frequency against a local reference. That would allow you to get much closer than using your ears as a phase detector. That should get you accuracy of a few % of 1Hz at your frequency you are measuring. If you are really serious about accuracy, you can build a frequency reference based on the WWV transmissions that will get you to within 1 part per billion at 1MHz without too much trouble. There was a QEX article recently, which you can find on the web at http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QEX_Next_Issue/2015/Nov-Dec_2015/Magliacane.pdf . I'm sure that spending money on a GPS reference would be quicker, but less fun than building a project. If you go down that road, you'll be well on your way to winning frequency measuring contests! - Brendon KK6AYI On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 5:07 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Brian, > > The higher the WWV frequency, the possible percentage of error goes down. > One or two Hz is a smaller fraction of 20MHz than at 5MHz. > > In the K3, you are calibrating the reference (out of the synthesizer) > rather than calibrating the actual VFO frequency. The actual VFO frequency > is derived from and phase locked to that reference. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 12/18/2016 12:17 AM, Brian Denley wrote: > >> Fred, Don: >> I ask because I am curious. On any older receiver, calibration at 20 MHz >> would not guarantee cal below that ( or at any other frequency ). One >> could be 5 hz high at 30 MHz but 10 hz low at 7 MHz. Why is the K3 >> different? >> >> Brian Denley >> KB1VBF >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >>> >>> I guess it depends on how accurate you want your K3 frequency display to >>> be. I think AM-S will warp the frequency a tiny bit to sync the carrier so >>> that may not be the best mode. I'd also go as high as you can on WWV. >>> >>> Wayne suggested a method that is somewhere on the E-site which I used-- >>> >>> Use the highest WWV frequency that you can hear well. USB or LSB, WIDTH >>> to 500-800 Hz, SHIFT so can hear the carrier beat note [it will be very >>> low]. CONFIG-->REF CAL, wait for a tone-less minute and adjust REF CAL for >>> exact zero beat. You'll be counting the pulsations in the background noise >>> as you come up on zero beat. >>> >>> I got mine to about 10 seconds per pulsation on 20 MHz back when there >>> were sunspots. That's an accuracy of 0.1 Hz and everything below 20 MHz >>> will be at least that good. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Fred K6DGW >>> - Sparks NV DM09dn >>> >>> - Northern California Contest Club >>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 >>> - www.cqp.org >>> >>> On 12/16/2016 5:12 PM, Michael via Elecraft wrote: >>>> If I set my K3's VFO to WWV at 5.000000 MHz with AM-S on....and I adjust >>>> "REF CAL" to a number where >>>> my VFO's frequency readout is exact or near this number +/- maybe a >>>> Hertz >>>> or two. Is this an accurate way to calibrate my K3? >>>> >>>> It seems to be very accurate as far as I can tell. >>>> >>>> Has anyone used this method? >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> N2ZDB >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to b.denley at comcast.net >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brendon at whateley.com > From ab2tc at arrl.net Sun Dec 18 14:01:07 2016 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 12:01:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] marc.info In-Reply-To: <15bf9525-813a-8f71-c676-b32c6e2fc4da@socal.rr.com> References: <1482082558461-7624763.post@n2.nabble.com> <15bf9525-813a-8f71-c676-b32c6e2fc4da@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1482087667619-7624772.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Phil and all, It's not unprecedented. They have had outages before lasting days. I am aware of the other alternatives (they are all on Elecraft's home page). But I prefer the marc archive. AB2TC - Knut Phil Wheeler-2 wrote > No, Knut. I just looked: Rather ominous. > > There other archives such as > http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/ though > I tend to use the marc archive. > > Phil W7OX > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/marc-info-tp7624763p7624772.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ron at cobi.biz Sun Dec 18 14:49:11 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 11:49:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003301d25967$ce3bba10$6ab32e30$@biz> The methods described by Wayne in the K3 or K3S Owner's manuals are excellent. I used Method 2 (comparing to WWV's carrier frequency) and easily achieve less than 1 Hz accuracy. If one needs something in the tenth's of a Hz or better then more exotic techniques are required (and likely the K3EXREF and an external frequency reference). NOTE: When using Method 2 with WWV, wait until the tones stop and only the ticks are transmitted, then check to be sure you are still "zero beat". Some ops get confused between the tones and carrier and end up several hundred Hz off because they zero-beated the tone instead. For SSB/CW/RTTY modes accuracy to within some tens of Hz is fine. AM is even less sensitive. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brendon Whateley Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:56 AM Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV Depending on why you want the accuracy, I think you could improve things by building a phase comparator to "listen" to the radio output frequency against a local reference. That would allow you to get much closer than using your ears as a phase detector. That should get you accuracy of a few % of 1Hz at your frequency you are measuring. If you are really serious about accuracy, you can build a frequency reference based on the WWV transmissions that will get you to within 1 part per billion at 1MHz without too much trouble. There was a QEX article recently, which you can find on the web at http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QEX_Next_Issue/2015/Nov-Dec_2015/Magliacane.p df . I'm sure that spending money on a GPS reference would be quicker, but less fun than building a project. If you go down that road, you'll be well on your way to winning frequency measuring contests! - Brendon KK6AYI On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 5:07 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Brian, > > The higher the WWV frequency, the possible percentage of error goes down. > One or two Hz is a smaller fraction of 20MHz than at 5MHz. > > In the K3, you are calibrating the reference (out of the synthesizer) > rather than calibrating the actual VFO frequency. The actual VFO > frequency is derived from and phase locked to that reference. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 12/18/2016 12:17 AM, Brian Denley wrote: > >> Fred, Don: >> I ask because I am curious. On any older receiver, calibration at 20 >> MHz would not guarantee cal below that ( or at any other frequency ). >> One could be 5 hz high at 30 MHz but 10 hz low at 7 MHz. Why is the >> K3 different? >> >> Brian Denley >> KB1VBF >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >>> >>> I guess it depends on how accurate you want your K3 frequency >>> display to be. I think AM-S will warp the frequency a tiny bit to >>> sync the carrier so that may not be the best mode. I'd also go as high as you can on WWV. >>> >>> Wayne suggested a method that is somewhere on the E-site which I >>> used-- >>> >>> Use the highest WWV frequency that you can hear well. USB or LSB, >>> WIDTH to 500-800 Hz, SHIFT so can hear the carrier beat note [it >>> will be very low]. CONFIG-->REF CAL, wait for a tone-less minute >>> and adjust REF CAL for exact zero beat. You'll be counting the >>> pulsations in the background noise as you come up on zero beat. >>> >>> I got mine to about 10 seconds per pulsation on 20 MHz back when >>> there were sunspots. That's an accuracy of 0.1 Hz and everything >>> below 20 MHz will be at least that good. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Fred K6DGW >>> - Sparks NV DM09dn >>> >>> - Northern California Contest Club >>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 >>> - www.cqp.org >>> >>> On 12/16/2016 5:12 PM, Michael via Elecraft wrote: >>>> If I set my K3's VFO to WWV at 5.000000 MHz with AM-S on....and I >>>> adjust "REF CAL" to a number where my VFO's frequency readout is >>>> exact or near this number +/- maybe a Hertz or two. Is this an >>>> accurate way to calibrate my K3? >>>> >>>> It seems to be very accurate as far as I can tell. >>>> >>>> Has anyone used this method? >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> N2ZDB >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> b.denley at comcast.net >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> donwilh at embarqmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > brendon at whateley.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 15:03:31 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 20:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <003301d25967$ce3bba10$6ab32e30$@biz> References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> <003301d25967$ce3bba10$6ab32e30$@biz> Message-ID: <2093323278.7636661.1482091411697@mail.yahoo.com> While all of the methods using WWV are excellent, many of us already have the GPS downloaded 10 MHz signal for the shop and ham shack.? I mentioned some time about using a Video distribution amplifier to pipe the 10 MHz signal around.? I have it at the operating console for any checks I need.? Mel, K6KBE From: Ron D'Eau Claire To: 'Brendon Whateley' Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector Reflector' Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV The methods described by Wayne in the K3 or K3S Owner's manuals are excellent. I used Method 2 (comparing to WWV's carrier frequency) and easily achieve less than 1 Hz accuracy. If one needs something in the tenth's of a Hz or better then more exotic techniques are required (and likely the K3EXREF and an external frequency reference). NOTE: When using Method 2 with WWV, wait until the tones stop and only the ticks are transmitted, then check to be sure you are still "zero beat". Some ops get confused between the tones and carrier and end up several hundred Hz off because they zero-beated the tone instead. For SSB/CW/RTTY modes accuracy to within some tens of Hz is fine. AM is even less sensitive. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brendon Whateley Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:56 AM Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV Depending on why you want the accuracy, I think you could improve things by building a phase comparator to "listen" to the radio output frequency against a local reference. That would allow you to get much closer than using your ears as a phase detector. That should get you accuracy of a few % of 1Hz at your frequency you are measuring. If you are really serious about accuracy, you can build a frequency reference based on the WWV transmissions that will get you to within 1 part per billion at 1MHz without too much trouble. There was a QEX article recently, which you can find on the web at http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QEX_Next_Issue/2015/Nov-Dec_2015/Magliacane.p df . I'm sure that spending money on a GPS reference would be quicker, but less fun than building a project. If you go down that road, you'll be well on your way to winning frequency measuring contests! - Brendon KK6AYI On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 5:07 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Brian, > > The higher the WWV frequency, the possible percentage of error goes down. > One or two Hz is a smaller fraction of 20MHz than at 5MHz. > > In the K3, you are calibrating the reference (out of the synthesizer) > rather than calibrating the actual VFO frequency.? The actual VFO > frequency is derived from and phase locked to that reference. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 12/18/2016 12:17 AM, Brian Denley wrote: > >> Fred, Don: >> I ask because I am curious.? On any older receiver, calibration at 20 >> MHz would not guarantee cal below that ( or at any other frequency ).? >> One could be 5 hz high at 30 MHz but 10 hz low at 7 MHz.? Why is the >> K3 different? >> >> Brian Denley >> KB1VBF >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >>> >>> I guess it depends on how accurate you want your K3 frequency >>> display to be.? I think AM-S will warp the frequency a tiny bit to >>> sync the carrier so that may not be the best mode.? I'd also go as high as you can on WWV. >>> >>> Wayne suggested a method that is somewhere on the E-site which I >>> used-- >>> >>> Use the highest WWV frequency that you can hear well.? USB or LSB, >>> WIDTH to 500-800 Hz, SHIFT so can hear the carrier beat note [it >>> will be very low].? CONFIG-->REF CAL, wait for a tone-less minute >>> and adjust REF CAL for exact zero beat.? You'll be counting the >>> pulsations in the background noise as you come up on zero beat. >>> >>> I got mine to about 10 seconds per pulsation on 20 MHz back when >>> there were sunspots.? That's an accuracy of 0.1 Hz and everything >>> below 20 MHz will be at least that good. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Fred K6DGW >>> - Sparks NV DM09dn >>> >>> - Northern California Contest Club >>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 >>> - www.cqp.org >>> >>> On 12/16/2016 5:12 PM, Michael via Elecraft wrote: >>>> If I set my K3's VFO to WWV at 5.000000 MHz with AM-S on....and I >>>> adjust "REF CAL" to a number where my VFO's frequency readout is >>>> exact or near this number +/- maybe a Hertz or two. Is this an >>>> accurate way to calibrate my K3? >>>> >>>> It seems to be very accurate as far as I can tell. >>>> >>>> Has anyone used this method? >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> N2ZDB >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> b.denley at comcast.net >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> donwilh at embarqmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > brendon at whateley.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Dec 18 15:11:40 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 12:11:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> <9EE257C9-EC48-45E2-93B7-5CD5114A1269@socket.net> <5856932B.5060605@comcast.net> Message-ID: One part of Amateur Radio is transmitting and receiving. Another part of Amateur Radio is design and construction of equipment. Yet another is delving into the concepts of doing things with available equipment/methods. Traffic handling was once a big activity ... think "American Radio RELAY League" ... it's now an anachronism but a few of us still dabble in it. Amateur Radio is a big tent [to plagarize from the world of politics], there's room for everyone. 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 - www.cqp.org On 12/18/2016 10:09 AM, Emory Schley wrote: > > Hi Guys; > > I really don't mean to show my ignorance, but all this talk about > calibration and power out is good up to a point, but if your signal > is off the mark by a couple Hertz, does it really make any REAL WORLD > difference? Even when running PSK31 surely you can be off the "beam" > a Hertz or two or three, maybe more? and you'll still have rock solld > communications. > > One fellow seemed unhappy with a rig putting out "only" 80 watts > instead of the full 100, but there is no way the ham on the other end > of the QSO is going to detect the "deficit". It pretty much boils > down to "Can he hear me" and "Can I hear him"? If the answer is yes > to both questions, then all the rest is just fodder for textbooks and > endless discussion/arguing. > > I know engineers and wannabe engineers want absolute accuracy. I'm no > fan of sloppiness myself, BUT if you actually consider what you're > dealing with along with the vagaries of propagation, then "close > enough" should be good enough for anyone. If the tool (the > radio/antenna system, in this case) is good enough to get the job > done, then isn't that "good enough," period? > > I really don't wish to start any in-fighting here, and I freely admit > I'm not technologically competent enough to sustain my opinions in > any absolute way in a technical discussion, but really, instead of > wasting so much time slicing hairs, wouldn't you really rather be on > the air instead, having fun? I would. :-) > > Merry Christmas/Happy Hannukah/Have a Good Day (Take your pick), > > Emory Schley N4LP From n1al at sonic.net Sun Dec 18 15:12:31 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 12:12:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Posting serial numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [Elecraft] P3 For Sale Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:10:36 -0500 From: Joe Word To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > For Sale .... Serial number 36xx. ... I've noticed that people almost never list a full serial number when posting something for sale. I'm curious why that is? Is there some bad thing a nefarious person could do if they knew the serial number? Alan N1AL From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Dec 18 15:24:13 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 12:24:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <99abf65c-1859-a1fb-89c2-0210c1a3f63f@foothill.net> There are a myriad of ways to do it if you're interested, however don't underestimate the accuracy you can achieve with your ears and ability to count when you get the levels equalized. If you count 6 noise peaks in 60 sec, you're within 0.1 Hz. Something that hasn't been mentioned [and that I only alluded to in a previous post] is doing this during the tone-free minutes on WWV. The tone modulation can make it very difficult, and in some cases your result can be off by the frequency of the tone. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 12/18/2016 10:56 AM, Brendon Whateley wrote: > Depending on why you want the accuracy, I think you could improve things by > building a phase comparator to "listen" to the radio output frequency > against a local reference. That would allow you to get much closer than > using your ears as a phase detector. That should get you accuracy of a few > % of 1Hz at your frequency you are measuring. > > If you are really serious about accuracy, you can build a frequency > reference based on the WWV transmissions that will get you to within 1 part > per billion at 1MHz without too much trouble. > > There was a QEX article recently, which you can find on the web at > http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QEX_Next_Issue/2015/Nov-Dec_2015/Magliacane.pdf > . > > I'm sure that spending money on a GPS reference would be quicker, but less > fun than building a project. > > If you go down that road, you'll be well on your way to winning frequency > measuring contests! > > - Brendon > KK6AYI From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sun Dec 18 15:59:29 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 12:59:29 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Posting serial numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a2d6f0a-6a1c-e0c3-6bff-3a581e8d5218@roadrunner.com> Maybe they're not sure and don't wan to pull the rig out to take a look? 73, matt W6NIA On 12/18/2016 12:12 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: [Elecraft] P3 For Sale > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:10:36 -0500 > From: Joe Word > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > For Sale .... Serial number 36xx. ... > > I've noticed that people almost never list a full serial number when > posting something for sale. I'm curious why that is? Is there some > bad thing a nefarious person could do if they knew the serial number? > > Alan N1AL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Shiraz] From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Dec 18 16:02:04 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:02:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <6324d680-f8c0-9b0f-7e14-4e82f2e05a23@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Not having a Windows machine, I tried using both fldigi and cocoaModem which have waterfall displays. Both provided usable results. Getting close with the computer display and then zero beating using the procedure in the manual will probably be the best approach. 73 Bill AE6JV On 12/16/16 at 6:52 PM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: >Us SSB - either LSB or LSB and tune for the tones transmitted >by WWV - either 500 or 600 Hz. Use of an audio spectrum >analyzer such as Spectrogram or SpectrumLab will tell you when >you have the tones received at the proper frequencies. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Security is like Government | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | services. The market doesn't | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | want to pay for them. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From kevin at k4vd.net Sun Dec 18 16:13:25 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 16:13:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Posting serial numbers In-Reply-To: <4a2d6f0a-6a1c-e0c3-6bff-3a581e8d5218@roadrunner.com> References: <4a2d6f0a-6a1c-e0c3-6bff-3a581e8d5218@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: ?It might be that the first few numbers kind of indicates the series or age of the device. This seems common when selling many things. It probably isn't a secret. I don't know what someone could do with the serial number of a radio but who knows these days. That and your date of birth might get all your bank accounts hacked. (just kidding) Kev K4VD From ab2tc at arrl.net Sun Dec 18 16:22:46 2016 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 14:22:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <99abf65c-1859-a1fb-89c2-0210c1a3f63f@foothill.net> References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> <99abf65c-1859-a1fb-89c2-0210c1a3f63f@foothill.net> Message-ID: <1482096166020-7624780.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Boy, this thread is now incredibly long and I am not sure it if I want to risk sticking my neck out with another entry. But I will. There has been an intense debate for at least the past 8 years as to what constitutes the "best" way to adjust the reference oscillator to the best accuracy. Why not just stick with the "Zero beating" (Method 2) described in the manual? All it requires is clear reception of WWV at the highest frequency possible. No other instrumentation like a PC spectrum analyzer program or frequency counter is needed. As for accuracy, the only possible weakness I can see is the accuracy of the K3 audio side tone, but there is no reason why this should not be accurate to a fraction of the Hz. Barring that the method is perfect. (The expectation that the PC spectrum analyzer is any more accurate is dubious). Aw, forget about Doppler shift in the WWV signal. Under normal ionospheric conditions it's negligible. AB2TC - Knut PS. I would also describe the sound heard at near zero beat as "whump-whump-whump" or "wow-wow-wow", but certainly not "chirp-chirp-chirp". And I agree with the comments below. k6dgw wrote > There are a myriad of ways to do it if you're interested, however don't > underestimate the accuracy you can achieve with your ears and ability to > count when you get the levels equalized. If you count 6 noise peaks in > 60 sec, you're within 0.1 Hz. > > Something that hasn't been mentioned [and that I only alluded to in a > previous post] is doing this during the tone-free minutes on WWV. The > tone modulation can make it very difficult, and in some cases your > result can be off by the frequency of the tone. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV USA > Washoe County DM09dn > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sync-AM-and-checking-VFO-accuracy-using-WWV-tp7624711p7624780.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 16:31:53 2016 From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 15:31:53 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Posting serial numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alan, according to my memory at least on the KX2 and the KX3 it is the serial number is build into the programming it's in the menu) I can't remember if it is on the K3 but trying to change that seriall number would be really rough Paul ...KB9AVO On Dec 18, 2016 2:14 PM, "Alan Bloom" wrote: > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: [Elecraft] P3 For Sale > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:10:36 -0500 > From: Joe Word > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > For Sale .... Serial number 36xx. ... > > I've noticed that people almost never list a full serial number when > posting something for sale. I'm curious why that is? Is there some bad > thing a nefarious person could do if they knew the serial number? > > Alan N1AL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pvandyke1953 at gmail.com > From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Sun Dec 18 16:26:04 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:26:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sync AM and checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <1482096166020-7624780.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> <99abf65c-1859-a1fb-89c2-0210c1a3f63f@foothill.net> <1482096166020-7624780.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I calibrate all my rigs with the WWV/spectrum display software method and it's never gotten me in trouble! From my K3s to my TS2000 to my FTDX3000, they all are dead nuts on thanks to this easiest of methods! Ken At 01:22 PM 12/18/2016, ab2tc wrote: >Hi, > >Boy, this thread is now incredibly long and I am not sure it if I want to >risk sticking my neck out with another entry. But I will. > >There has been an intense debate for at least the past 8 years as to what >constitutes the "best" way to adjust the reference oscillator to the best >accuracy. Why not just stick with the "Zero beating" (Method 2) described in >the manual? All it requires is clear reception of WWV at the highest >frequency possible. No other instrumentation like a PC spectrum analyzer >program or frequency counter is needed. As for accuracy, the only possible >weakness I can see is the accuracy of the K3 audio side tone, but there is >no reason why this should not be accurate to a fraction of the Hz. Barring >that the method is perfect. (The expectation that the PC spectrum analyzer >is any more accurate is dubious). Aw, forget about Doppler shift in the WWV >signal. Under normal ionospheric conditions it's negligible. > >AB2TC - Knut > >PS. I would also describe the sound heard at near zero beat as >"whump-whump-whump" or "wow-wow-wow", but certainly not "chirp-chirp-chirp". >And I agree with the comments below. > > >k6dgw wrote > > There are a myriad of ways to do it if you're interested, however don't > > underestimate the accuracy you can achieve with your ears and ability to > > count when you get the levels equalized. If you count 6 noise peaks in > > 60 sec, you're within 0.1 Hz. > > > > Something that hasn't been mentioned [and that I only alluded to in a > > previous post] is doing this during the tone-free minutes on WWV. The > > tone modulation can make it very difficult, and in some cases your > > result can be off by the frequency of the tone. > > > > 73, > > > > Fred K6DGW > > Sparks NV USA > > Washoe County DM09dn > > > > > > > >-- >View this message in context: >http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sync-AM-and-checking-VFO-accuracy-using-WWV-tp7624711p7624780.html >Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From n1al at sonic.net Sun Dec 18 16:56:27 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:56:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Posting serial numbers In-Reply-To: References: <4a2d6f0a-6a1c-e0c3-6bff-3a581e8d5218@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: On 12/18/2016 01:13 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > I don't know what someone could do with the serial number of a radio but > who knows these days. That and your date of birth might get all your bank > accounts hacked. (just kidding) It's probably not a good idea to use your rig's serial number as a password to your on-line bank account. :=) Alan N1AL From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Dec 18 17:04:01 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 15:04:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> <9EE257C9-EC48-45E2-93B7-5CD5114A1269@socket.net> <5856932B.5060605@comcast.net> Message-ID: <91540375-31e5-14b4-f925-e7f60a66e379@triconet.org> I totally disagree. If the manufacturer specifies that the transmitter puts out 100W, and indeed uses that as a part of the part number on the order sheet, then it's not unreasonable for the customer to expect 100 W out. That's like buying a Lamborghini Huracan LP 610-4 and discovering that it's not 610 HP and four-wheel drive but two-wheel drive and 300 HP and being told, why complain, it's still faster than a Prius. On 12/18/2016 11:09 AM, Emory Schley wrote: > Hi Guys;.. > > One fellow seemed unhappy with a rig putting out "only" 80 watts instead of the full 100, but there is no way the ham on the other end of the QSO is going to detect the "deficit". It pretty much boils down to "Can he hear me" and "Can I hear him"? If the answer is yes to both questions, then all the rest is just fodder for textbooks and endless discussion/arguing. From kengkopp at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 17:07:29 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 15:07:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: S/N sillyness Message-ID: I own the following: K2 #5665 K3 #56 P3 #56 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP From sjl219 at optonline.net Sun Dec 18 18:12:15 2016 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:12:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] (KX1) - Question of Power Modification Timing Message-ID: <295e75b4.15e04.15914350128.Webtop.54@optonline.net> I'm building my second fully optioned KX1. ?I built one a few years ago with no problem and it was great. I sold it when I bought a KX3. ? I missed it so much I just bought myself another one.? But I could use some advice because something doesn't make sense to me. I opened the 30/80 meter parts package and found a "Power Output Modification Kit" for the KX1. ?It consists of two resistors: replacements for R11 and R30. I have not yet installed the "original R11 and R30" so can I just install these power mod resistors NOW to avoid future de-soldering? This sounds like a dumb question, I know, but it seems that if this has been a known problem for the KX1 since April 2006 (Revision B), why weren't the kit resistors upgraded a long time ago, or made an addendum to the KX1. Why were they in the 30/80 module kit? ?What's the connection? Do the upgrade resistors only apply to the 30/80 mod? ? If I had not ordered the 30/80 mod, I would not have known about this power mod. 73, Stan WB2LQF From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 18 18:35:10 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:35:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] (KX1) - Question of Power Modification Timing In-Reply-To: <295e75b4.15e04.15914350128.Webtop.54@optonline.net> References: <295e75b4.15e04.15914350128.Webtop.54@optonline.net> Message-ID: <272cac2e-5058-058c-b78a-2684d660213d@embarqmail.com> Stan, The information in the Power Mod instructions is correct. SOME KX1s have lower power output than others due to component tolerances. Ni some cases, this becomes more of a problem with the KXB3080 installation. I would not arbitrarily install those resistors. Install the KXB3080 option and then test all bands using a 13.8 volt power source. If you can achieve 3.5 watts on all bands, that is all the design point offers. If one or two bands are lower, first try adjusting the spacing of the green turns on L1 and L2 to see if you can even out the power. If you cannot achieve 3.5 watts on any band, then install the power mod. I must add that the heatsinking of the KX1 and the rating of the zener diode in the PA stage are not designed for more than 5 watts. If you are getting more than 5 watts on any band, turn R1 to a lower level to limit the power to 5 watts. If you will always be operating on a voltage less than 13.8 volts (battery operation), you may want to install the power mod anyway. The actual power output will depend on the power supply voltage. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/18/2016 6:12 PM, stan levandowski wrote: > I'm building my second fully optioned KX1. I built one a few years ago > with no problem and it was great. I sold it when I bought a KX3. I > missed it so much I just bought myself another one. > > But I could use some advice because something doesn't make sense to me. > > > I opened the 30/80 meter parts package and found a "Power Output > Modification Kit" for the KX1. It consists of two resistors: > replacements for R11 and R30. > > > I have not yet installed the "original R11 and R30" so can I just > install these power mod resistors NOW to avoid future de-soldering? > > > This sounds like a dumb question, I know, but it seems that if this has > been a known problem for the KX1 since April 2006 (Revision B), why > weren't the kit resistors upgraded a long time ago, or made an addendum > to the KX1. > > > Why were they in the 30/80 module kit? What's the connection? Do the > upgrade resistors only apply to the 30/80 mod? > > > If I had not ordered the 30/80 mod, I would not have known about this > power mod. > > > 73, Stan WB2LQF > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com From rhbraun at msn.com Sun Dec 18 18:43:28 2016 From: rhbraun at msn.com (Rick Braun) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 23:43:28 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility with Windows 10 Message-ID: I downloaded the latest K3 utility onto my Surface Pro 4 with Windows 10. My K3 is serial 2869, with RS232 to USB adapter cable. I downloaded the driver indicated on the Elecraft site. Problem: I cannot, for the life of me, get the radio to connect to the computer. Could this be a 32 bit versus 64 bit compatibility issue? Any ideas or suggestions? By the way, the KX3 utility works fine on this computer. I?m baffled and ready to kick the cat. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 18 18:47:06 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:47:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Posting serial numbers In-Reply-To: References: <4a2d6f0a-6a1c-e0c3-6bff-3a581e8d5218@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: All, The serial number of a transceiver offered for sale is an important parameter, and because the upgrade kits are offered by Elecraft, the state of those upgrades that have been installed is also important to the potential buyer. The rig's serial number for For Sale listings is important to those considering the purchase of a used K2. There was a change in the board layout to include the prior upgrades at serial number 3000. If a K2 less than SN 3000 is being offered for sale, the status of the A to B upgrades and associated mods is a point of great interest. The cost of the upgrade mod kits is about $160 (includes firmware), so that needs to be considered when contemplating the purchase of a used K2. With all that being said, I need to say that a fully upgraded K2 will perform just as well as a newly built K2. That goes for a used K3 as well, but the upgrades that have been done needs to be known. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/18/2016 4:56 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: > > On 12/18/2016 01:13 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > >> I don't know what someone could do with the serial number of a radio but >> who knows these days. That and your date of birth might get all your bank >> accounts hacked. (just kidding) > > It's probably not a good idea to use your rig's serial number as a > password to your on-line bank account. :=) > > Alan N1AL From ktalbott at gamewood.net Sun Dec 18 18:48:23 2016 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (Ken Talbott) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:48:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Posting serial numbers In-Reply-To: References: <4a2d6f0a-6a1c-e0c3-6bff-3a581e8d5218@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <004801d25989$38f3f770$aadbe650$@gamewood.net> If the rig has an unknown pedigree (passed through many flea market sales) omitting the last few digits helps prevent unpleasant knocks on the door from officers wishing to retrieve stolen property. Ken ke4rg -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kevin - K4VD Sent: December 18, 2016 16:13 To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Posting serial numbers ?It might be that the first few numbers kind of indicates the series or age of the device. This seems common when selling many things. It probably isn't a secret. I don't know what someone could do with the serial number of a radio but who knows these days. That and your date of birth might get all your bank accounts hacked. (just kidding) Kev K4VD ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ktalbott at gamewood.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 18 18:54:08 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:54:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility with Windows 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3cc153ba-0368-f6d7-4968-7d8db0a55cd0@embarqmail.com> Rick, All Windows 10 versions are not created equal. If you have a Win10 full size computer, try it on that. I have not had any problem with Win10 on either my laptop or my desktop computers. On 12/18/2016 6:43 PM, Rick Braun wrote: > I downloaded the latest K3 utility onto my Surface Pro 4 with Windows 10. My K3 is serial 2869, with RS232 to USB adapter cable. I downloaded the driver indicated on the Elecraft site. Problem: I cannot, for the life of me, get the radio to connect to the computer. Could this be a 32 bit versus 64 bit compatibility issue? Any ideas or suggestions? By the way, the KX3 utility works fine on this computer. I?m baffled and ready to kick the cat. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Dec 18 19:09:58 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 19:09:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S No TX Audio via USB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0adda607-5194-c71b-b3c5-6bff0e7a4407@embarqmail.com> John, Have you looked a Windows Mixer to see what the output level of the USB Codec in the K3 might be set at? Set it to about 75% of full volume. I don't know what is different about WJST than other data modes, I just know that there have been many more posts on the reflector about it. It should be "just another data mode", but many users seem to have similar problems. Have you tried it in DATA A mode rather than USB? DATA A normal sideband is the same as USB but with compression automatically set to zero and TX EQ set to flat. You will have to widen the default bandwidth for DATA A, but that is a simple matter of moving the WIDTH knob (or HiCut/LoCut). Much of the internet advice does not consider that the K3 (K2, KX3, KX2) are different in the way power is controlled than other transceivers. With Elecraft transceivers, set the audio drive correctly and control the power with the power knob. Set the audio to produce 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing for the K3, K3S, KX3 and KX2. For the K2, increase the audio until you see an ALC bar and then back off the gain until it disappears. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/17/2016 5:49 PM, John Klewer wrote: > OK....I have read several archived email threads regarding this issue some > other hams are having without finding a resolution to my problem...please > help! > > Running a new K3S with a Mac running WSJT-x for JT-65 mode > > Transceiver is connected per the manual and I am able to control the K3 > with my logging program (MacloggerDX) when it is so connected...in other > words I have control and communications between the computer and the XCVR > > WSJT-X receive works great and able to decode signals fine. > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sun Dec 18 19:12:22 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 19:12:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility with Windows 10 Message-ID: HiNo, it is not 64 vs 32 bit.First thing to do is open up the device manager and looking at the comport entry. Then ?unplug the USB to serial device. One of the comport should disappear. Then plug it in.That will help determine if the port you are using is correct.Start with that. If you do not see the port disappear and then show up look for any exclamation marks.Start with that.73 Tom?www.va2fsq.com? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Rick Braun Date: 2016-12-18 6:43 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility with Windows 10 I downloaded the latest K3 utility onto my Surface Pro 4 with Windows 10.? My K3 is serial 2869, with RS232 to USB adapter cable.? I downloaded the driver indicated on the Elecraft site.? Problem: I cannot, for the life of me, get the radio to connect to the computer.? Could this be a 32 bit versus 64 bit compatibility issue?? Any ideas or suggestions?? By the way, the KX3 utility works fine on this computer.? I?m baffled and ready to kick the cat. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Sun Dec 18 18:56:55 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 15:56:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility with Windows 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My Surface Pro sucks with driver compatibility issues so perhaps that is your proble. My "ham" computer runs Win 10, 64 bit and no problems at all connecting to the K3s with anything Ken At 03:43 PM 12/18/2016, Rick Braun wrote: >I downloaded the latest K3 utility onto my >Surface Pro 4 with Windows 10. My K3 is serial >2869, with RS232 to USB adapter cable. I >downloaded the driver indicated on the Elecraft >site. Problem: I cannot, for the life of me, >get the radio to connect to the computer. Could >this be a 32 bit versus 64 bit compatibility >issue? Any ideas or suggestions? By the way, >the KX3 utility works fine on this >computer. I???m baffled and ready to kick the cat. > >Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list Home: >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: >mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted >by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Dec 18 19:16:01 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 19:16:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility with Windows 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C4CA380-692C-42F3-A2CA-F514C7037D2A@widomaker.com> Which KUSB? The older Prolific or the more recent FTDI? Different drivers. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 18, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Rick Braun wrote: > > I downloaded the latest K3 utility onto my Surface Pro 4 with Windows 10. My K3 is serial 2869, with RS232 to USB adapter cable. I downloaded the driver indicated on the Elecraft site. Problem: I cannot, for the life of me, get the radio to connect to the computer. Could this be a 32 bit versus 64 bit compatibility issue? Any ideas or suggestions? By the way, the KX3 utility works fine on this computer. I???m baffled and ready to kick the cat. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com?F?v???FVBF?R?FW7B?2WF???G???F???7W&f6R&?Bv?F?v??F?w2????2?26W&??#?c??v?F?%3#3"F?U4"FFW"6&?R??F?v???FVBF?RG&?fW"??F?6FVB??F?RV?V7&gB6?FR?&?&?V???6???B?f?"F?R??fR?b?R?vWBF?R&F??F?6???V7BF?F?R6??WFW"?6?V?BF??2&R3"&?BfW'7W2cB&?B6??F?&???G??77VS????FV2?"7VvvW7F???3?'?F?Rv??F?R??2WF???G?v?&?2f??R??F??26??WFW"??( ??&ff?VB?B&VG?F???6?F?R6B?? ??6V?Bg&???????GG3???v????7&?6?gB?6???gv???????????C?SS??c?f?"v??F?w2? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????V?V7&gB?????r??7@????S??GG?????????F???WB?????????7F??f??V?V7&g@??V???GG?????????F???WB???f??F???7C????F??V?V7&gD??????F???W@ ?F??2??7B??7FVB'???GG???wwr?6???W@??V6R?V?7W?'BF??2V?????7C??GG???wwr?6???WB?F??FR??F????W76vRFV??fW&VBF??#F4v?F???W"?6?? From sjl219 at optonline.net Sun Dec 18 19:18:07 2016 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 19:18:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] (KX1) - Question of Power Modification Timing In-Reply-To: <272cac2e-5058-058c-b78a-2684d660213d@embarqmail.com> References: <295e75b4.15e04.15914350128.Webtop.54@optonline.net> <272cac2e-5058-058c-b78a-2684d660213d@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1290acda.15156.15914714feb.Webtop.35@optonline.net> Don thank you for this rapid and complete answer. ?I'm printing this email out to include with the KX1 documentation. I'll always be using either the internal AA cells or a dedicated 12VDC wall wart so I think I'll just install the mod now and avoid de-soldering. ?? 73 and Seasons' greetings, Stan WB2LQF On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 06:35 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Stan, > > The information in the Power Mod instructions is correct. SOME KX1s > have lower power output than others due to component tolerances. Ni > some cases, this becomes more of a problem with the KXB3080 > installation. I would not arbitrarily install those resistors. > > Install the KXB3080 option and then test all bands using a 13.8 volt > power source. If you can achieve 3.5 watts on all bands, that is all > the design point offers. If one or two bands are lower, first try > adjusting the spacing of the green turns on L1 and L2 to see if you > can even out the power. > > If you cannot achieve 3.5 watts on any band, then install the power > mod. > > I must add that the heatsinking of the KX1 and the rating of the zener > diode in the PA stage are not designed for more than 5 watts. If you > are getting more than 5 watts on any band, turn R1 to a lower level to > limit the power to 5 watts. > > If you will always be operating on a voltage less than 13.8 volts > (battery operation), you may want to install the power mod anyway. > The actual power output will depend on the power supply voltage. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/18/2016 6:12 PM, stan levandowski wrote: >> I'm building my second fully optioned KX1. I built one a few years >> ago >> with no problem and it was great. I sold it when I bought a KX3. I >> missed it so much I just bought myself another one. >> >> But I could use some advice because something doesn't make sense to >> me. >> >> >> I opened the 30/80 meter parts package and found a "Power Output >> Modification Kit" for the KX1. It consists of two resistors: >> replacements for R11 and R30. >> >> >> I have not yet installed the "original R11 and R30" so can I just >> install these power mod resistors NOW to avoid future de-soldering? >> >> >> This sounds like a dumb question, I know, but it seems that if this >> has >> been a known problem for the KX1 since April 2006 (Revision B), why >> weren't the kit resistors upgraded a long time ago, or made an >> addendum >> to the KX1. >> >> >> Why were they in the 30/80 module kit? What's the connection? Do the >> upgrade resistors only apply to the 30/80 mod? >> >> >> If I had not ordered the 30/80 mod, I would not have known about this >> power mod. >> >> >> 73, Stan WB2LQF >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Sun Dec 18 19:24:59 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 16:24:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility with Windows 10 In-Reply-To: <6C4CA380-692C-42F3-A2CA-F514C7037D2A@widomaker.com> References: <6C4CA380-692C-42F3-A2CA-F514C7037D2A@widomaker.com> Message-ID: The issue with the Prolific chipset (or more accurately, the counterfeit driver issue) is well known and well documented as affecting Win 7 and later At 04:16 PM 12/18/2016, Nr4c wrote: >Which KUSB? The older Prolific or the more >recent FTDI? Different drivers. Sent from my >iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 18, 2016, at 6:43 >PM, Rick Braun wrote: > > I >downloaded the latest K3 utility onto my Surface >Pro 4 with Windows 10. My K3 is serial 2869, >with RS232 to USB adapter cable. I downloaded >the driver indicated on the Elecraft >site. Problem: I cannot, for the life of me, >get the radio to connect to the computer. Could >this be a 32 bit versus 64 bit compatibility >issue? Any ideas or suggestions? By the way, >the KX3 utility works fine on this >computer. I????m baffled and reaready to kick >the cat. > > Sent from >Mail >for Windows 10 > > >______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > Home: >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This >list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help >support this email list: >http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message >delivered to >nr4c at widomaker.com???F??v??????FVBF? >R??FW7B??2WF????G???????F???????7W&f6R&??B?Bv?F?v???F??w2?????????2?26W&???#??c???#??c?????v?F?%3#3"F??U4"FFW"6&??R?????F??v??v??????FVBF?RG&?fW"???F?6FVB????F?RV??V7&RV??V7&gB6?FR??&??&??V???????6??????B??f??"F?R????????fR??b??R??vWBF?R&F???F??6??????V7BF??F?RF?? >R6????WFW"??6??V??BF??2&R3"&?BfW'7W2cB&cB&?B6????F?&????G????77VS????????FV2?????FV2??"7VvvW7F?????3??'???F?Rv?????F?R????2WF??WF??????G???v??&??2f???R????F??26????WFW"???W"????( >???&ff??VB??B&VG???F?????6??F?R6B? 6B? ?? >????6V??Bg&????????????GG3??????v???????7&???7&??6??gB??6??????gv???????????????????C??SS?????c??fc??f??"v???F??w2?? >???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????V??V7&gB???????????r???7@???????S???GG?????????????????F?????F???????WB????????????????7F???f????V??V7&g@???V???? >V?????GG?????????????????F?????WB??????f???F??????F??????7C???????F????V??V7&gD???????????F??????????W@ >??F??2???7B???7FVB'??????GG??????wwr??????wwr??6??????W@????V6R?V??7W??'BF??2V??????????????7C???GG??????wwr??6??????WB??F????FR???F?????????????W76vRFV???fW&VBF????#F4v?F??????W"??6???? >_ >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list Home: >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: >mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted >by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From k3ndm at comcast.net Sun Dec 18 20:38:46 2016 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 01:38:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility with Windows 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick, The K3 utility wants a com port to connect to, and that com port needs to be the same as the one for the radio. If you are using a USB adapter, it declares itself as a com port. Go into device manager and see which com port your adapter "thinks" it is, and make a note of it. Use that com port in the utility to connect to the K3, and make sure you have the data rate and data bits spec'd correctly. Once the utility gets correct information, it should work perfectly. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Rick Braun" To: "Elecraft" Sent: 12/18/2016 6:43:28 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility with Windows 10 >I downloaded the latest K3 utility onto my Surface Pro 4 with Windows >10. My K3 is serial 2869, with RS232 to USB adapter cable. I >downloaded the driver indicated on the Elecraft site. Problem: I >cannot, for the life of me, get the radio to connect to the computer. >Could this be a 32 bit versus 64 bit compatibility issue? Any ideas or >suggestions? By the way, the KX3 utility works fine on this computer. >I?m baffled and ready to kick the cat. > >Sent from Mail for >Windows 10 > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From k9yeq at live.com Sun Dec 18 21:04:46 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 02:04:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility with Windows 10 In-Reply-To: <20161219001427.81084149AE72@mailman.qth.net> References: <20161219001427.81084149AE72@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: I have a surface pro 3 and surface book and neither have issues to which you refer. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken Arck Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:57 PM To: Rick Braun ; Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility with Windows 10 My Surface Pro sucks with driver compatibility issues so perhaps that is your proble. My "ham" computer runs Win 10, 64 bit and no problems at all connecting to the K3s with anything Ken At 03:43 PM 12/18/2016, Rick Braun wrote: >I downloaded the latest K3 utility onto my Surface Pro 4 with Windows >10. My K3 is serial 2869, with RS232 to USB adapter cable. I >downloaded the driver indicated on the Elecraft site. Problem: I >cannot, for the life of me, get the radio to connect to the computer. >Could this be a 32 bit versus 64 bit compatibility issue? Any ideas or >suggestions? By the way, the KX3 utility works fine on this computer. >I??Tm baffled and ready to kick the cat. > >Sent from Mail for >Windows 10 > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list Home: >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: >mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted >by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: >http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >ken at arcomcontrollers.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From ron at cobi.biz Sun Dec 18 23:23:26 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 20:23:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <91540375-31e5-14b4-f925-e7f60a66e379@triconet.org> References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> <9EE257C9-EC48-45E2-93B7-5CD5114A1269@socket.net> <5856932B.5060605@comcast.net> <91540375-31e5-14b4-f925-e7f60a66e379@triconet.org> Message-ID: <000301d259af$a53c3160$efb49420$@biz> It all depends upon the accuracy of the test equipment, power supply, etc. Many commercial RF power meter/dummy load combos are no more than 20% accurate. Elecraft Tech support will help anyone who thinks the power output is low with those questions. A better analogy is a Lamborghini spec'd at 610 HP, but the dyno at the local garage says it is putting out only 490 Hp. (I realize that is not close to 20% low, but the impact of HP on a car's performance is much more sensitive to horsepower than the RF output of a transmitter is on its performance on the air.) What Emory said about the impact on operations of a 20% drop in RF power out is right. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes Stewart Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:04 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Checking VFO accuracy using WWV I totally disagree. If the manufacturer specifies that the transmitter puts out 100W, and indeed uses that as a part of the part number on the order sheet, then it's not unreasonable for the customer to expect 100 W out. That's like buying a Lamborghini Huracan LP 610-4 and discovering that it's not 610 HP and four-wheel drive but two-wheel drive and 300 HP and being told, why complain, it's still faster than a Prius. On 12/18/2016 11:09 AM, Emory Schley wrote: > Hi Guys;.. > > One fellow seemed unhappy with a rig putting out "only" 80 watts instead of the full 100, but there is no way the ham on the other end of the QSO is going to detect the "deficit". It pretty much boils down to "Can he hear me" and "Can I hear him"? If the answer is yes to both questions, then all the rest is just fodder for textbooks and endless discussion/arguing. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Dec 19 00:22:43 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 21:22:43 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <91540375-31e5-14b4-f925-e7f60a66e379@triconet.org> References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> <9EE257C9-EC48-45E2-93B7-5CD5114A1269@socket.net> <5856932B.5060605@comcast.net> <91540375-31e5-14b4-f925-e7f60a66e379@triconet.org> Message-ID: <6390f199-1b80-0810-7f70-73d07a4729dc@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,12/18/2016 2:04 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > If the manufacturer specifies that the transmitter puts out 100W, and > indeed uses that as a part of the part number on the order sheet, then > it's not unreasonable for the customer to expect 100 W out. The published spec is 100W typical, with no tolerance specified. 73, Jim K9YC From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Dec 19 00:59:10 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 22:59:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <6390f199-1b80-0810-7f70-73d07a4729dc@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> <9EE257C9-EC48-45E2-93B7-5CD5114A1269@socket.net> <5856932B.5060605@comcast.net> <91540375-31e5-14b4-f925-e7f60a66e379@triconet.org> <6390f199-1b80-0810-7f70-73d07a4729dc@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: By your "logic" a few weeks ago when my 100 W K3S started putting out zero watts it was still in spec, since there isn't any, Right? And if you want to open another can of worms let's talk about "typical" TX IMD. On 12/18/2016 10:22 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sun,12/18/2016 2:04 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> If the manufacturer specifies that the transmitter puts out 100W, and indeed >> uses that as a part of the part number on the order sheet, then it's not >> unreasonable for the customer to expect 100 W out. > > The published spec is 100W typical, with no tolerance specified. > > 73, Jim K9YC From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon Dec 19 03:12:14 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 00:12:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <6390f199-1b80-0810-7f70-73d07a4729dc@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> <9EE257C9-EC48-45E2-93B7-5CD5114A1269@socket.net> <5856932B.5060605@comcast.net> <91540375-31e5-14b4-f925-e7f60a66e379@triconet.org> <6390f199-1b80-0810-7f70-73d07a4729dc@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <0082A384-7378-4457-AE45-2133CFBF65FB@wunderwood.org> For the KXPA100, the tolerance is specified. See page 30 of the manual. "Power Output: Max.100 watts at 13.8 V, 1.8 to 29.7 MHz and 80 watts 50-54 MHz PEP CW/SSB/DATA, ? 1 dB? wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 18, 2016, at 9:22 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Sun,12/18/2016 2:04 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> If the manufacturer specifies that the transmitter puts out 100W, and indeed uses that as a part of the part number on the order sheet, then it's not unreasonable for the customer to expect 100 W out. > > The published spec is 100W typical, with no tolerance specified. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 19 06:51:35 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 11:51:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Checking VFO accuracy using WWV In-Reply-To: <0082A384-7378-4457-AE45-2133CFBF65FB@wunderwood.org> References: <0fa9dd90-5c27-8692-eff2-8085054f6ae1@foothill.net> <3033466A-5396-4FFF-BE24-2930D34DAC6F@comcast.net> <9EE257C9-EC48-45E2-93B7-5CD5114A1269@socket.net> <5856932B.5060605@comcast.net> <91540375-31e5-14b4-f925-e7f60a66e379@triconet.org> <6390f199-1b80-0810-7f70-73d07a4729dc@audiosystemsgroup.com> <0082A384-7378-4457-AE45-2133CFBF65FB@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: It is human nature to be disappointed if we don't get the nominal figure, but only the lower limit even if still within spec. We wouldn't complain if we got a few Watts more than the 100 Watts, and of course 100 Watts sounds like a lot more than 89 Watts just as $100 does to $89. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 19 Dec 2016, at 08:12, Walter Underwood wrote: > > For the KXPA100, the tolerance is specified. See page 30 of the manual. > > "Power Output: Max.100 watts at 13.8 V, 1.8 to 29.7 MHz and 80 watts 50-54 MHz PEP CW/SSB/DATA, ? 1 dB? > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Dec 18, 2016, at 9:22 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >> On Sun,12/18/2016 2:04 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>> If the manufacturer specifies that the transmitter puts out 100W, and indeed uses that as a part of the part number on the order sheet, then it's not unreasonable for the customer to expect 100 W out. >> >> The published spec is 100W typical, with no tolerance specified. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From rfphelps at snet.net Mon Dec 19 14:24:15 2016 From: rfphelps at snet.net (rfphelps) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 14:24:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Memory Operation Question Message-ID: <000f01d25a2d$7ebcb450$7c361cf0$@net> I've had 16 years of Elecraft experience with the K2 and a bit less with the K1 and KX1 - then I added a KX2 last September! Operating it has been a real blast! I suspect that my question is generic to the K3, KX3 and KX2. Operation on 60 meters pretty much requires that you program the five CW and five SSB frequencies in memory channels to avoid a harmless "misstep" which might offend our FCC friends. I've stored the frequencies in Channels 61 through 70 and labeled them appropriately. I then recall the memory channel that I want to operate on. So far, so good. The instant that I go into transmit, the rig transfers the frequency, mode, et al into the VFO mode and subsequent operation is conducted on the freely tunable VFO with no reference to the memory channel. I find this to be a bit unnerving since it is so easy to nudge the rig off the specified frequency. On anything other than 60 meters, I wouldn't care. Am I missing something? Would appreciate any comments! Regards, Dick, K1SW From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 19 15:24:46 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:24:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Memory Operation Question In-Reply-To: <000f01d25a2d$7ebcb450$7c361cf0$@net> References: <000f01d25a2d$7ebcb450$7c361cf0$@net> Message-ID: <201d108b-6c62-81e9-e319-a691e302ed5d@embarqmail.com> Dick, Look up "Channel Hopping" in the manual, that should help you with the KX2. If you plan to operate CW on 60 meters, you will have to add another set of memories that takes you to the channel center rather than to 1.5k below center as is used for USB mode. It is not available for the K1, K2 or KX1, but works for all the others. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/19/2016 2:24 PM, rfphelps wrote: > I've had 16 years of Elecraft experience with the K2 and a bit less with the > K1 and KX1 - then I added a KX2 last September! Operating it has been a > real blast! > > I suspect that my question is generic to the K3, KX3 and KX2. > > > > Operation on 60 meters pretty much requires that you program the five CW and > five SSB frequencies in memory channels to avoid a harmless "misstep" which > might offend our FCC friends. I've stored the frequencies in Channels 61 > through 70 and labeled them appropriately. I then recall the memory channel > that I want to operate on. So far, so good. > > > > The instant that I go into transmit, the rig transfers the frequency, mode, > et al into the VFO mode and subsequent operation is conducted on the freely > tunable VFO with no reference to the memory channel. I find this to be a > bit unnerving since it is so easy to nudge the rig off the specified > frequency. On anything other than 60 meters, I wouldn't care. > > > > Am I missing something? Would appreciate any comments! > > Regards, > > Dick, > > K1SW > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Dec 19 16:55:47 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 13:55:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Memory Operation Question In-Reply-To: <000f01d25a2d$7ebcb450$7c361cf0$@net> Message-ID: I have not done any 60M operation on my KX3, but on my K3, I have the per-band memories on 60M set up for the channels, getting all 5 them by assigning the extra to VFO-B and swapping VFOs if necessary. I have had the problem of tuning off the DX frequency while groping for the knobs on the K3, so I got in the habit of using the (hold)-LOCK function to cover my tail. My KX3 does lock by holding the KHZ button for about 3 seconds. 73 Bill AE6JV On 12/19/16 at 11:24 AM, rfphelps at snet.net (rfphelps) wrote: >I've had 16 years of Elecraft experience with the K2 and a bit less with the >K1 and KX1 - then I added a KX2 last September! Operating it has been a >real blast! > >I suspect that my question is generic to the K3, KX3 and KX2. > > > >Operation on 60 meters pretty much requires that you program the five CW and >five SSB frequencies in memory channels to avoid a harmless "misstep" which >might offend our FCC friends. I've stored the frequencies in Channels 61 >through 70 and labeled them appropriately. I then recall the memory channel >that I want to operate on. So far, so good. > > > >The instant that I go into transmit, the rig transfers the frequency, mode, >et al into the VFO mode and subsequent operation is conducted on the freely >tunable VFO with no reference to the memory channel. I find this to be a >bit unnerving since it is so easy to nudge the rig off the specified >frequency. On anything other than 60 meters, I wouldn't care. > > > >Am I missing something? Would appreciate any comments! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? From dld at degeorge.org Mon Dec 19 17:50:03 2016 From: dld at degeorge.org (David DeGeorge) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:50:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3,PX3,KXPA100 for sale Message-ID: For sale Elecraft KX3, PX3, and KXPA100 all factory assembled. $2500 Sold as a unit including the extras mentioned below. Details. KX3: KX3-F 160 - 6M Transceiver KXAT3-F Internal 20 watt tuner KXBC3-F Internal NiMH Charger with Real Time Clock KXFL3-F Dual - Passband Roofing filter. MH3 Hand Microphone PX3-F - Panadapter KXPA100 100 watt amplifier for KX3 factory assembled KXAT100 internal ATU for KXPA1 factory assembled Includes all necessary cabling and original manuals and most of the original packaging. All units purchased Sept-Dec 2014. Also includes the following extras: SIDEKX KX3 and PX3 side panels, Keyer port cover,and Plexiglass Covers. Tiger Tronics SignaLink USB with KX3 cables and KX3 jumper module. Small KX3 book. Lightly used. PayPal only. David WQ2Q dld at degeorge.org David DeGeorge dld at degeorge.org Amateur Radio: WQ2Q From z_kevino at hotmail.com Mon Dec 19 21:10:48 2016 From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 02:10:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA Message-ID: Just got my KPA500 and KAT500. I hooked the PA up to 240v (well, my Mains are 248v), so I made sure the assembled PA has the yellow transformer tap, from the factory. When I engage the amp, there is a crazy buzz. I use a KPA500 at work, but it is on 120v and I never hear this buzz. Before I swap fuses, and switch over to 120v to test, does anyone else have this issue? The KPA500 is hooked up to a KX3/KXPA100 combo, just in case someone would ask. Thanks -Kevin (KK4YEL) No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! From w1go at icloud.com Mon Dec 19 21:19:01 2016 From: w1go at icloud.com (W1GO (Joe)) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 21:19:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kevin, Yes. had the problem. Crazy loud hum / buzz. Bad transformer I was told. All quiet on the eastern front now. If it is a bad transformer it can be fixed but you?ll have to eat the shipping charge. Joe W1GO > On Dec 19, 2016, at 9:10 PM, kevino z wrote: > > Just got my KPA500 and KAT500. I hooked the PA up to 240v (well, my Mains are 248v), so I made sure the assembled PA has the yellow transformer tap, from the factory. > When I engage the amp, there is a crazy buzz. I use a KPA500 at work, but it is on 120v and I never hear this buzz. Before I swap fuses, and switch over to 120v to test, does anyone else have this issue? > The KPA500 is hooked up to a KX3/KXPA100 combo, just in case someone would ask. > Thanks > -Kevin (KK4YEL) > > > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1go at icloud.com From ron at cobi.biz Mon Dec 19 22:53:34 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 19:53:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001001d25a74$a3ce2cf0$eb6a86d0$@biz> Joe might be right but contact Tech Support first. The transformer is held in place with a single large bolt through the center (it is a torodial transformer). If that bolt is not tightened properly the magnetic field will produce a huge vibration. Even if you did not build the amp from the kit, it's a pretty simple job to tighten that bolt. Tech Support can lead you through the process. It is also described in the kit assembly manual available on the Elecraft web site here; http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740149%20KPA500%20Kit%20Assembly%20Manual%20Rev%20F6.pdf See pages 36 and 37. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W1GO (Joe) Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 6:19 PM To: kevino z Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA Kevin, Yes. had the problem. Crazy loud hum / buzz. Bad transformer I was told. All quiet on the eastern front now. If it is a bad transformer it can be fixed but you?ll have to eat the shipping charge. Joe W1GO > On Dec 19, 2016, at 9:10 PM, kevino z wrote: > > Just got my KPA500 and KAT500. I hooked the PA up to 240v (well, my Mains are 248v), so I made sure the assembled PA has the yellow transformer tap, from the factory. > When I engage the amp, there is a crazy buzz. I use a KPA500 at work, but it is on 120v and I never hear this buzz. Before I swap fuses, and switch over to 120v to test, does anyone else have this issue? > The KPA500 is hooked up to a KX3/KXPA100 combo, just in case someone would ask. > Thanks > -Kevin (KK4YEL) > > > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > w1go at icloud.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Dec 19 23:11:12 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 23:11:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Memory Operation Question In-Reply-To: <000f01d25a2d$7ebcb450$7c361cf0$@net> References: <000f01d25a2d$7ebcb450$7c361cf0$@net> Message-ID: So lock the VFO. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 19, 2016, at 2:24 PM, rfphelps wrote: > > I've had 16 years of Elecraft experience with the K2 and a bit less with the > K1 and KX1 - then I added a KX2 last September! Operating it has been a > real blast! > > I suspect that my question is generic to the K3, KX3 and KX2. > > > > Operation on 60 meters pretty much requires that you program the five CW and > five SSB frequencies in memory channels to avoid a harmless "misstep" which > might offend our FCC friends. I've stored the frequencies in Channels 61 > through 70 and labeled them appropriately. I then recall the memory channel > that I want to operate on. So far, so good. > > > > The instant that I go into transmit, the rig transfers the frequency, mode, > et al into the VFO mode and subsequent operation is conducted on the freely > tunable VFO with no reference to the memory channel. I find this to be a > bit unnerving since it is so easy to nudge the rig off the specified > frequency. On anything other than 60 meters, I wouldn't care. > > > > Am I missing something? Would appreciate any comments! > > Regards, > > Dick, > > K1SW > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From w6jhb at me.com Tue Dec 20 00:20:22 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 21:20:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 --> KX3/PX3 Question Message-ID: I've got a KX3 and PX3 at the moment, and am considering the purchase of the KXPA100 and KXAT100. Looking at the user manual of the amp, I see that there is an optional cable (KX3 to KXPA100 Adapter Cable) that should be used to have the units all operate as a cohesive unit. However, it appears that this cable has one line that plugs into the KX3's ACC1 jack. Right now, that jack has a cable running over to the PX3. How is this conflict resolved? Didn't see any sort of "Y" connector / cable on the order page, nor mention of using the amp/tuner when a PX3 is involved. What am I missing? Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 20 00:29:00 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 00:29:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 --> KX3/PX3 Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2d9d4f28-5c52-c1e1-c056-7bc071e437ab@embarqmail.com> Jim, Refer to page 9 of the PX3 manual. The system integrates nicely with the PX3CBL supplied with the PX3. On 12/20/2016 12:20 AM, James Bennett wrote: > I've got a KX3 and PX3 at the moment, and am considering the purchase of the KXPA100 and KXAT100. Looking at the user manual of the amp, I see that there is an optional cable (KX3 to KXPA100 Adapter Cable) that should be used to have the units all operate as a cohesive unit. However, it appears that this cable has one line that plugs into the KX3's ACC1 jack. Right now, that jack has a cable running over to the PX3. How is this conflict resolved? Didn't see any sort of "Y" connector / cable on the order page, nor mention of using the amp/tuner when a PX3 is involved. What am I missing? > From ai6do at yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 00:32:57 2016 From: ai6do at yahoo.com (Ryan Noguchi) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 05:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 --> KX3/PX3 Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <523507408.126844.1482211977748@mail.yahoo.com> >However, it appears that this cable has one line that plugs into the KX3's ACC1 jack. Right now, that jack has a cable running over to the PX3. How is this conflict resolved?? >Jim Bennett / W6JHB The 3.5mm plug from that cable plugs into the "ACC1 PC" port on the PX3. The PX3 manual has a picture that shows how you need to connect the KX3, PX3, and KXPA100. Not sure why this picture isn't also in the KXPA100 manual.? 73, Ryan AI6DO From jim at sailidaho.com Tue Dec 20 01:59:27 2016 From: jim at sailidaho.com (Jim Larson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 23:59:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3A Question Message-ID: I have a K3S/10 with a few extra filters and the DVR board installed. I?d like to purchase the KAT3A automatic antenna tuner, but want to make sure that it can be installed in this 10w version of the K3S, or does it require the 100w option? Do you feel it is a nice addition to the rig? Are you pleased with the performance compared to other external ATUs on the market? Thanks in advance. Jim - KK7A From z_kevino at hotmail.com Tue Dec 20 05:50:12 2016 From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 10:50:12 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA In-Reply-To: <001001d25a74$a3ce2cf0$eb6a86d0$@biz> References: , <001001d25a74$a3ce2cf0$eb6a86d0$@biz> Message-ID: Thanks Ron. I'll open it up and measure it with a torque wrench. Then wait for Elecraft tech support to call back. Sometimes it's a drag living on the East Coast :-( -Kevin (KK4YEL) No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! > On Dec 19, 2016, at 22:53, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > Joe might be right but contact Tech Support first. The transformer is held in place with a single large bolt through the center (it is a torodial transformer). If that bolt is not tightened properly the magnetic field will produce a huge vibration. Even if you did not build the amp from the kit, it's a pretty simple job to tighten that bolt. Tech Support can lead you through the process. It is also described in the kit assembly manual available on the Elecraft web site here; > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740149%20KPA500%20Kit%20Assembly%20Manual%20Rev%20F6.pdf > > See pages 36 and 37. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W1GO (Joe) > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 6:19 PM > To: kevino z > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA > > Kevin, > > Yes. had the problem. Crazy loud hum / buzz. Bad transformer I was told. All quiet on the eastern front now. If it is a bad transformer it can be fixed but you?ll have to eat the shipping charge. > > Joe > W1GO > >> On Dec 19, 2016, at 9:10 PM, kevino z wrote: >> >> Just got my KPA500 and KAT500. I hooked the PA up to 240v (well, my Mains are 248v), so I made sure the assembled PA has the yellow transformer tap, from the factory. >> When I engage the amp, there is a crazy buzz. I use a KPA500 at work, but it is on 120v and I never hear this buzz. Before I swap fuses, and switch over to 120v to test, does anyone else have this issue? >> The KPA500 is hooked up to a KX3/KXPA100 combo, just in case someone would ask. >> Thanks >> -Kevin (KK4YEL) >> >> >> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> w1go at icloud.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 20 07:39:03 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 07:39:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3A Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kim, The KAT3A fits in any K3S, with or without the KPA3. If you have need for a tuner, you will like it. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/20/2016 1:59 AM, Jim Larson wrote: > I have a K3S/10 with a few extra filters and the DVR board installed. I?d like to purchase the KAT3A automatic antenna tuner, but want to make sure that it can be installed in this 10w version of the K3S, or does it require the 100w option? > > Do you feel it is a nice addition to the rig? > > Are you pleased with the performance compared to other external ATUs on the market? > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim - KK7A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From pincon at erols.com Tue Dec 20 07:40:20 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 07:40:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA In-Reply-To: References: , <001001d25a74$a3ce2cf0$eb6a86d0$@biz> Message-ID: <001401d25abe$3ddc2790$b99476b0$@erols.com> "No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !" Yeah, but you have to realize, electrons LIKE to run around madly. They LIVE for the opportunity to be driven by that strange (to them) electromotive force, regardless of whether it's in one direction (DC) or back and forth (AC), just as horses luv to run. They live basically a very nomadic life, jumping from one nucleus to another. They get sluggish if not driven regularly. This is why old stock vacuum tubes can fail while just sitting on the shelf. Electrons also appreciate the applause as horses do when they perform, but seldom get to enjoy it. So, when you make them run, at least provide a little noise so that know they're well liked. Hmmm, maybe THAT"s why the transformer hums? More to the point of the subject, I wonder if it would have been possible to use a brass bolt or maybe even nylon mounting hardware for the big toroid? Probably not worth the effort is a simple re-tightening can fix it. ( You'll just have to provide some outside method of showing your appreciation to the electrons for their efforts.) 73 Charlie k3ICH From rfphelps at snet.net Tue Dec 20 07:48:50 2016 From: rfphelps at snet.net (rfphelps) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 07:48:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Memory Operation Question In-Reply-To: <201d108b-6c62-81e9-e319-a691e302ed5d@embarqmail.com> References: <000f01d25a2d$7ebcb450$7c361cf0$@net> <201d108b-6c62-81e9-e319-a691e302ed5d@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01d25abf$6c0de8f0$4429bad0$@net> Thanks to Don, Bill and Bill for your responses! Don's response about the use of "channel hopping", with a few extra words, solves the dilemma of having a freely tunable VFO on 60 meters. When you recall any one group of ten memories (5 CW and 5 USB) with an "*" as the first character in the memory channel name, the VFO A knob does nothing but cycle from one stored "*" channel in that group to the next in a continuous loop and the VFO "B" knob does nothing at all related to frequency. The other half of the answer is that memory channels in these rigs serve only as a 'reminder' to be placed into the freely tunable VFO for use. I was expecting memory behavior to be akin to what you find on VHF/UHF FM rigs. Obviously, that is not the case. Problem solved! Regards, Dick, K1SW From z_kevino at hotmail.com Tue Dec 20 07:56:04 2016 From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 12:56:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA In-Reply-To: <001401d25abe$3ddc2790$b99476b0$@erols.com> References: , <001001d25a74$a3ce2cf0$eb6a86d0$@biz> , <001401d25abe$3ddc2790$b99476b0$@erols.com> Message-ID: Nice! Sadly, torquing it down to the spec (it was assembled by Elecraft just under the spec, by the way) made zero difference. But your post made me smile so thank you. Haven't done that since I got the amp powered on. -Kevin (KK4YEL) > On Dec 20, 2016, at 07:42, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > > > "No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large > number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !" > > Yeah, but you have to realize, electrons LIKE to run around madly. They > LIVE for the opportunity to be driven by that strange (to them) > electromotive force, regardless of whether it's in one direction (DC) or > back and forth (AC), just as horses luv to run. > They live basically a very nomadic life, jumping from one nucleus to > another. They get sluggish if not driven regularly. This is why old stock > vacuum tubes can fail while just sitting on the shelf. > Electrons also appreciate the applause as horses do when they perform, but > seldom get to enjoy it. So, when you make them run, at least provide a > little noise so that know they're well liked. Hmmm, maybe THAT"s why the > transformer hums? > > More to the point of the subject, I wonder if it would have been possible to > use a brass bolt or maybe even nylon mounting hardware for the big toroid? > Probably not worth the effort is a simple re-tightening can fix it. > ( You'll just have to provide some outside method of showing your > appreciation to the electrons for their efforts.) > > 73 Charlie k3ICH > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to z_kevino at hotmail.com From Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com Tue Dec 20 08:06:30 2016 From: Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com (James Rodenkirch) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 13:06:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Setting the KX3 up for JT65 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?ve been away from JT65 ops with my KX3 for so long I forgot what to do?I have used t5he KX3 in JT65m before but been many months so need to restart. I have WSJT running on my Microsoft Surface Pro 2 and haven?t messed with those at all, e.g., CAT, 8 data, 2 stop, etc. The decode works well. But, when I connect the audio from the computer to the mic in jack the kx3?s transmit light comes on and stays on. I?ve seen this before but forget what I am doing wrong?..I believe I?ve got something set wrong on the KX3 menu as my audio levels on the computer haven't been tampered with. I asked Don Wilhelm for his thought via a separate e-mailm and he provided good info but didn't help - thanks, Don...now looking to see if someone has experienced these exact symptoms... HELP!!! 72 de Jim Rodenkirch K9JW From Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com Tue Dec 20 08:53:58 2016 From: Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com (James Rodenkirch) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 13:53:58 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Setting the KX3 up for JT65 In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: OK - couldn't figure out what I had done so opted tom use the kx3 utility to restore the latest config I had....BINGO!! All is well.....thanks to those that replied....72 de Jim R. K9JWV ________________________________________ From: James Rodenkirch Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:06 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Setting the KX3 up for JT65 I?ve been away from JT65 ops with my KX3 for so long I forgot what to do?I have used t5he KX3 in JT65m before but been many months so need to restart. I have WSJT running on my Microsoft Surface Pro 2 and haven?t messed with those at all, e.g., CAT, 8 data, 2 stop, etc. The decode works well. But, when I connect the audio from the computer to the mic in jack the kx3?s transmit light comes on and stays on. I?ve seen this before but forget what I am doing wrong?..I believe I?ve got something set wrong on the KX3 menu as my audio levels on the computer haven't been tampered with. I asked Don Wilhelm for his thought via a separate e-mailm and he provided good info but didn't help - thanks, Don...now looking to see if someone has experienced these exact symptoms... HELP!!! 72 de Jim Rodenkirch K9JW From bob at hogbytes.com Tue Dec 20 09:44:45 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 07:44:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 --> KX3/PX3 Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1482245085975-7624812.post@n2.nabble.com> There is a ACC1 line out of the PX3 that the amp cable plugs into. See page 9 of the PX3 manual. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KXPA100-KX3-PX3-Question-tp7624810p7624812.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From K1WHS at metrocast.net Tue Dec 20 10:47:09 2016 From: K1WHS at metrocast.net (David Olean) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 15:47:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA In-Reply-To: <001401d25abe$3ddc2790$b99476b0$@erols.com> References: <001001d25a74$a3ce2cf0$eb6a86d0$@biz> <001401d25abe$3ddc2790$b99476b0$@erols.com> Message-ID: <128e4ff4-dc4f-4b75-da08-6395495da9ea@metrocast.net> Wow, another person who ascribes to the theory of Electron Psychology. I have long believed that electrons had feelings and needs. You can explain coax cable losses very easily. All the electrons start down the inner wire, but soon start to wonder if they will ever get to the end. The longer the cable is, the more they lose confidence and either stop or turn around. We used to sit around in the lab and come up with electron psychology reasons for all sorts of situations. K1WHS On 12/20/2016 12:40 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > "No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large > number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !" > > Yeah, but you have to realize, electrons LIKE to run around madly. They > LIVE for the opportunity to be driven by that strange (to them) > electromotive force, regardless of whether it's in one direction (DC) or > back and forth (AC), just as horses luv to run. > They live basically a very nomadic life, jumping from one nucleus to > another. They get sluggish if not driven regularly. This is why old stock > vacuum tubes can fail while just sitting on the shelf. > Electrons also appreciate the applause as horses do when they perform, but > seldom get to enjoy it. So, when you make them run, at least provide a > little noise so that know they're well liked. Hmmm, maybe THAT"s why the > transformer hums? > > More to the point of the subject, I wonder if it would have been possible to > use a brass bolt or maybe even nylon mounting hardware for the big toroid? > Probably not worth the effort is a simple re-tightening can fix it. > ( You'll just have to provide some outside method of showing your > appreciation to the electrons for their efforts.) > > 73 Charlie k3ICH > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k1whs at metrocast.net > From ditzian at windstream.net Tue Dec 20 11:21:14 2016 From: ditzian at windstream.net (Jan Ditzian) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 11:21:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA In-Reply-To: <128e4ff4-dc4f-4b75-da08-6395495da9ea@metrocast.net> References: <001001d25a74$a3ce2cf0$eb6a86d0$@biz> <001401d25abe$3ddc2790$b99476b0$@erols.com> <128e4ff4-dc4f-4b75-da08-6395495da9ea@metrocast.net> Message-ID: <66e41d80-644d-b693-62d0-96aadaf32c4a@windstream.net> David, The below statement is absolutely true. I am an industrial psychologist (really), and we have made some discoveries about why certain industrial processes sometimes work and sometimes don't. One of our earliest discoveries was the answer to the question: How may psychologists does it take to change a light bulb? The answer is that it takes only one psychologist to make the change, but the light bulb must SINCERELY want to change, and the process may require up to five years of weekly 50-minute sessions before the change is fully effected. When DXing, remember that the DX LIKES the hams around you more than it likes you, so you have to wait until the loved ones are taken care of before you get your turn. This does not always hold when operating CW. Jan, KX2A (the first KX2) On 12/20/2016 10:47 AM, David Olean wrote: > Wow, another person who ascribes to the theory of Electron Psychology. > I have long believed that electrons had feelings and needs. You can > explain coax cable losses very easily. All the electrons start down > the inner wire, but soon start to wonder if they will ever get to the > end. The longer the cable is, the more they lose confidence and either > stop or turn around. We used to sit around in the lab and come up > with electron psychology reasons for all sorts of situations. > > K1WHS From skipnc9o at yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 21:23:10 2016 From: skipnc9o at yahoo.com (Skip Davis) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:23:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 For Sale Message-ID: <1482114190.9914.YahooMailMobile@web426401.mail.bf2.yahoo.com> I have a KX1 three bands (40, 30, 20 MTR) works very well about 4 watts on all three bands with 12.5vdc power supply. This little gem has the built-in ATU and includes the KXPD1 paddles. I don't use it much since my KX3 arrived, and I'm thinning out my surplus portable rigs. All manuals included too, $380.00 shipped. Please respond directly to me at skipnc9o at yahoo dot com. Thanks and have a Merry Christmas everyone. Skip NC9O From ron at cobi.biz Tue Dec 20 12:10:12 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 09:10:12 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA In-Reply-To: <001401d25abe$3ddc2790$b99476b0$@erols.com> References: , <001001d25a74$a3ce2cf0$eb6a86d0$@biz> <001401d25abe$3ddc2790$b99476b0$@erols.com> Message-ID: <001901d25ae3$ed7c0650$c87412f0$@biz> I believe most of the noise comes from the steel bottom of the kpa500. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Charlie T, K3ICH Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 4:40 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA "No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !" Yeah, but you have to realize, electrons LIKE to run around madly. They LIVE for the opportunity to be driven by that strange (to them) electromotive force, regardless of whether it's in one direction (DC) or back and forth (AC), just as horses luv to run. They live basically a very nomadic life, jumping from one nucleus to another. They get sluggish if not driven regularly. This is why old stock vacuum tubes can fail while just sitting on the shelf. Electrons also appreciate the applause as horses do when they perform, but seldom get to enjoy it. So, when you make them run, at least provide a little noise so that know they're well liked. Hmmm, maybe THAT"s why the transformer hums? More to the point of the subject, I wonder if it would have been possible to use a brass bolt or maybe even nylon mounting hardware for the big toroid? Probably not worth the effort is a simple re-tightening can fix it. ( You'll just have to provide some outside method of showing your appreciation to the electrons for their efforts.) 73 Charlie k3ICH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From matt at nq6n.com Tue Dec 20 12:16:50 2016 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:16:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA In-Reply-To: <001901d25ae3$ed7c0650$c87412f0$@biz> References: <001001d25a74$a3ce2cf0$eb6a86d0$@biz> <001401d25abe$3ddc2790$b99476b0$@erols.com> <001901d25ae3$ed7c0650$c87412f0$@biz> Message-ID: Mine is silent during normal use, but when someone in the house prints something using the laser printer that is on the same circuit, the transformer gives off a brief groan. I don't think this means my transformer is defective, would anyone disagree? 73, Matt NQ6N On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:10 AM Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > I believe most of the noise comes from the steel bottom of the kpa500. > > > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > > Charlie T, K3ICH > > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 4:40 AM > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA > > > > > > "No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large > > number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !" > > > > Yeah, but you have to realize, electrons LIKE to run around madly. They > > LIVE for the opportunity to be driven by that strange (to them) > > electromotive force, regardless of whether it's in one direction (DC) or > > back and forth (AC), just as horses luv to run. > > They live basically a very nomadic life, jumping from one nucleus to > > another. They get sluggish if not driven regularly. This is why old stock > > vacuum tubes can fail while just sitting on the shelf. > > Electrons also appreciate the applause as horses do when they perform, but > > seldom get to enjoy it. So, when you make them run, at least provide a > > little noise so that know they're well liked. Hmmm, maybe THAT"s why the > > transformer hums? > > > > More to the point of the subject, I wonder if it would have been possible > to > > use a brass bolt or maybe even nylon mounting hardware for the big toroid? > > Probably not worth the effort is a simple re-tightening can fix it. > > ( You'll just have to provide some outside method of showing your > > appreciation to the electrons for their efforts.) > > > > 73 Charlie k3ICH > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > > From z_kevino at hotmail.com Tue Dec 20 12:16:28 2016 From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:16:28 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA In-Reply-To: <001901d25ae3$ed7c0650$c87412f0$@biz> References: , <001001d25a74$a3ce2cf0$eb6a86d0$@biz> <001401d25abe$3ddc2790$b99476b0$@erols.com>, <001901d25ae3$ed7c0650$c87412f0$@biz> Message-ID: Nope. I have one at work and it is quiet. Something is different with this one. As I stated in my original post, I'm confident that Elecraft will make this right. They are great folks over there. -Kevin (KK4YEL) ----- The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence. On Dec 20, 2016, at 12:12, Ron D'Eau Claire > wrote: I believe most of the noise comes from the steel bottom of the kpa500. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Charlie T, K3ICH Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 4:40 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA "No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !" Yeah, but you have to realize, electrons LIKE to run around madly. They LIVE for the opportunity to be driven by that strange (to them) electromotive force, regardless of whether it's in one direction (DC) or back and forth (AC), just as horses luv to run. They live basically a very nomadic life, jumping from one nucleus to another. They get sluggish if not driven regularly. This is why old stock vacuum tubes can fail while just sitting on the shelf. Electrons also appreciate the applause as horses do when they perform, but seldom get to enjoy it. So, when you make them run, at least provide a little noise so that know they're well liked. Hmmm, maybe THAT"s why the transformer hums? More to the point of the subject, I wonder if it would have been possible to use a brass bolt or maybe even nylon mounting hardware for the big toroid? Probably not worth the effort is a simple re-tightening can fix it. ( You'll just have to provide some outside method of showing your appreciation to the electrons for their efforts.) 73 Charlie k3ICH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to z_kevino at hotmail.com From w6jhb at me.com Tue Dec 20 12:18:22 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 09:18:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 --> KX3/PX3 Question In-Reply-To: <1482245085975-7624812.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1482245085975-7624812.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <65294D1B-860B-4CDF-B081-BEF50B551DEC@me.com> Bob, Ryan, and Don - Thanks for the replies! After looking at the PX3 manual I see what a simple connection it turns out to be! Just need to run the PC connection from the KXPA100 and not the PX3, thus freeing up the ACC1 port on the PX3. Happy Holidays to you guys and everyone else on the reflector - 73? Jim / W6JHB > On Tuesday, Dec 20, 2016, at Tuesday, 6:44 AM, Bob N3MNT wrote: > > There is a ACC1 line out of the PX3 that the amp cable plugs into. See page > 9 of the PX3 manual. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KXPA100-KX3-PX3-Question-tp7624810p7624812.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com James Bennett w6jhb at me.com From w.roberson at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 20 12:21:06 2016 From: w.roberson at sbcglobal.net (Bill Roberson) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting the K3 to an expert amps 1.3K-FA References: <1896714981.670185.1482254466833.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1896714981.670185.1482254466833@mail.yahoo.com> I ?just got my 1.3K-FA and have been actively seeking information on cable connections from the K3 to the amp for automatic following of the amp from the K3. ?I guess an FDTI cable from the K3 to a computer USB port would allow computer control of the K3, but what cable connections are needed from the K3 15 pin connector and/or the DB9 pin connector to the amp? ?I have the relay connected and did not connect the ALC as Elecraft stated, but I would like the amp to come on when I turn on the K3 and follow the band/frequency changes. From ron at cobi.biz Tue Dec 20 12:54:15 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 09:54:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA In-Reply-To: References: , <001001d25a74$a3ce2cf0$eb6a86d0$@biz> <001401d25abe$3ddc2790$b99476b0$@erols.com>, <001901d25ae3$ed7c0650$c87412f0$@biz> Message-ID: <002301d25aea$148037c0$3d80a740$@biz> I meant when it makes noise the noise comes from the steel panel under the transformer. Quiet ones are quiet (well, reasonably so). Working out the assembly procedure involved doing a lot of different things to see what ended up with the quietest assembly. I should have mentioned before that the Belleville washer under the nut must be installed "right side up" as described on page 35 of the assy manual. Getting beyond that will involve removing the transformer to check hardware down in the center hole. You can follow the instructions in the manual to check that or just wait to work with Tech Support. I'm not personally familiar with the "bad transformer" issue others reported Tech Support said occurred. 73, Ron AC7AC From: kevino z [mailto:z_kevino at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 9:16 AM To: Ron D'Eau Claire Cc: Charlie T, K3ICH; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA Nope. I have one at work and it is quiet. Something is different with this one. As I stated in my original post, I'm confident that Elecraft will make this right. They are great folks over there. -Kevin (KK4YEL) ----- The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence. On Dec 20, 2016, at 12:12, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: I believe most of the noise comes from the steel bottom of the kpa500. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Charlie T, K3ICH Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 4:40 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] incredible hum from PA "No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !" Yeah, but you have to realize, electrons LIKE to run around madly. They LIVE for the opportunity to be driven by that strange (to them) electromotive force, regardless of whether it's in one direction (DC) or back and forth (AC), just as horses luv to run. They live basically a very nomadic life, jumping from one nucleus to another. They get sluggish if not driven regularly. This is why old stock vacuum tubes can fail while just sitting on the shelf. Electrons also appreciate the applause as horses do when they perform, but seldom get to enjoy it. So, when you make them run, at least provide a little noise so that know they're well liked. Hmmm, maybe THAT"s why the transformer hums? More to the point of the subject, I wonder if it would have been possible to use a brass bolt or maybe even nylon mounting hardware for the big toroid? Probably not worth the effort is a simple re-tightening can fix it. ( You'll just have to provide some outside method of showing your appreciation to the electrons for their efforts.) 73 Charlie k3ICH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to z_kevino at hotmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Dec 20 13:18:39 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 10:18:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting the K3 to an expert amps 1.3K-FA In-Reply-To: <1896714981.670185.1482254466833@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1896714981.670185.1482254466833.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1896714981.670185.1482254466833@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1ffa5644-da98-3b9b-9451-75f31d7acd10@audiosystemsgroup.com> Hi Bill, I recently bought a used 1K-FA from my neighbor. I use only an RCA keying cable from the K3 keying out to the 1K-FA. When the amp is in Operate mode, a quick dit or tap on the mic will allow it to sense the frequency and switch to the right band. I run my KPA500 and Alpha 87A the same way, although both have a serial port. One thing I learned about the 1K-FA that may or may not be true of the 1.3K-FA is that it remembers last antenna settings for every band, and that the signal comes through the tuner for RX. If the amp is on another band, I often don't hear much when I switch bands on the radio until I hit that dit to switch bands on the amp. 73, Jim K9YC On Tue,12/20/2016 9:21 AM, Bill Roberson wrote: > I guess an FDTI cable from the K3 to a computer USB port would allow computer control of the K3, but what cable connections are needed from the K3 15 pin connector and/or the DB9 pin connector to the amp? From n3ikq at yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 14:03:40 2016 From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 19:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Changes to newer models? References: <859770015.558315.1482260620359.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <859770015.558315.1482260620359@mail.yahoo.com> I'm considering purchasing an older KX3 S/N<16xx. From anything I can determine the encoder was improved and there was a slight change to the 160 and 80 meter filtering. Oh and the heat sink. Is that it? It appears that there have been circuit board revs but I can't find any information on what they were. Just wondering if those revs substantially improved performance in any way.? Thanks. Rick? From wb4jfi at knology.net Tue Dec 20 14:36:25 2016 From: wb4jfi at knology.net (wb4jfi at knology.net) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 14:36:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility with Windows 10 In-Reply-To: References: <20161219001427.81084149AE72@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: I have a Surface Pro 3, and a Surface Pro 4, no problems with drivers here either. I did have some driver issues with the SP3 under Ubuntu Linux, but I just reformatted it to give to my wife. Next step is to figure out how to get Linux working on the SP4. But, that's not your problem...!!! 73, Terry, N4TLF -----Original Message----- From: Bill Johnson Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:04 PM To: 'Ken Arck' ; 'Rick Braun' ; 'Elecraft' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility with Windows 10 I have a surface pro 3 and surface book and neither have issues to which you refer. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken Arck Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 5:57 PM To: Rick Braun ; Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility with Windows 10 My Surface Pro sucks with driver compatibility issues so perhaps that is your proble. My "ham" computer runs Win 10, 64 bit and no problems at all connecting to the K3s with anything Ken At 03:43 PM 12/18/2016, Rick Braun wrote: >I downloaded the latest K3 utility onto my Surface Pro 4 with Windows >10. My K3 is serial 2869, with RS232 to USB adapter cable. I >downloaded the driver indicated on the Elecraft site. Problem: I >cannot, for the life of me, get the radio to connect to the computer. >Could this be a 32 bit versus 64 bit compatibility issue? Any ideas or >suggestions? By the way, the KX3 utility works fine on this computer. >I??Tm baffled and ready to kick the cat. > >Sent from Mail for >Windows 10 > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list Home: >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: >mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted >by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: >http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >ken at arcomcontrollers.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! 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We use 'em!" ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wb4jfi at knology.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 20 14:43:18 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 14:43:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Changes to newer models? In-Reply-To: <859770015.558315.1482260620359@mail.yahoo.com> References: <859770015.558315.1482260620359.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <859770015.558315.1482260620359@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1f840315-5846-45cb-b462-5544f4238040@embarqmail.com> Rick, Go to the Elecraft website and open the Mods and Notes page. Then look at the KX3 Application Notes and also at the KX3 Mods. Decide which ones you want to install or have installed. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/20/2016 2:03 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > I'm considering purchasing an older KX3 S/N<16xx. From anything I can determine the encoder was improved and there was a slight change to the 160 and 80 meter filtering. Oh and the heat sink. Is that it? It appears that there have been circuit board revs but I can't find any information on what they were. Just wondering if those revs substantially improved performance in any way. Thanks. Rick From hb9brj at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 14:50:53 2016 From: hb9brj at gmail.com (hb9brj) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 12:50:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Audio Drops In-Reply-To: <1473082060705-7622169.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1473082060705-7622169.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1482263453864-7624819.post@n2.nabble.com> While I never suffered from the "audio drop" issue after shutting down Log4OM, it seems that the new WSJT-X 1.7.0 produces the same effect when it is terminated. My K3 goes absolutely silent. Touching the WIDTH control brings audio back. WSJT-X is widely used, so hopefully there is a chance to find the root cause. Markus HB9BRJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Audio-Drops-tp7622169p7624819.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n1nk at cox.net Tue Dec 20 15:18:53 2016 From: n1nk at cox.net (Jim Spears) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 15:18:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] connecting K3 (or other radio) to Expert 1.3K-FA Message-ID: <026701d25afe$492db150$db8913f0$@cox.net> The easiest way is to buy the cable set from Dan Tassel at Expert Linears. Or clone it. I have the cable set and it works FB with the K3 and a different set for the KX3. For Jim, K9YC, your statement about the 1K-FA and its internal tuner is correct for the 1K-A, the tuner is in line at all times. The 1.3K-FA can be ordered with or without the internal tuner and can be taken offline for any or all antennas. I have the tuner disabled for bands covered by my SteppIR or resonant antennas and enabled (with training) for those ill-behaved antennas. Jim/N1nK From Gary at ka1j.com Tue Dec 20 17:34:59 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:34:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved In-Reply-To: References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com>, Message-ID: <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> Hi Jim & the others who replied, This is a follow-up for someone in the future who looks for the same solution. Yeah, the small amount of difference in the wattage is insignificant but considering all the radios I've owned, the low end of the bands were always the highest output. 10M was usually the lowest output & with the K3/K3s, 6M was always as good as the other bands watt wise and 160 was full output. This not being the case, I was concerned. I had done the calibration and raised the output to 87W but that was it. As was suggested, I raised the voltage from the PS to give me 13.8V on transmit which required 14.6V resting. I'm using the cable Elecraft supplies and I'm suspecting it could be just a tad lower gauge/thicker copper to reduce the resistance but on 160M, I am now getting a 115W reading on the P3 and 113W on the LP-100A. So the increased voltage was the difference in my case. A thicker wire would certainly require less voltage than 14.6 and that's what I am going to look into. With the power Pole connector, I'll have to look a little deeper into what will work best. I have no crimping tool for Power Pole so that makes it more of a challenge. Anyway, thanks Jim & all who suggested the higher voltage, it was the answer in this instance. 73, Gary KA1J > On Fri,12/16/2016 9:27 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > > With the ATU in or out it gives 81W out on 160, SWR is 1.28 > > > > All other bands except 6M give around 98W, 6M gives 87W > > > > Any ideas what might be causing the lower output on 160? > > 81W is 0.9 dB less than 100W; 87W is 0.6 dB less than 100W. On 6M, > it's probably a simple matter of efficiency -- power amps are slightly > less efficient on 6M than on the lower bands. > > And there may be a power calibration issue. There's a procedure in the > manual for doing that. > > Or even error in the power measurement itself. Few power meters are > specified for better than 5%. Bird wattmeters are specified as 5% of > full scale, and a condition of that is that the slug is in > calibration. If, for example, you're using a 250W slug, accuracy is > +/- 12.5W. I use an N8LP LP100A, which specifies 5% at any power level > from 1W, and quotes 3% typical. 5% is 0.22 dB. 3% is 0.13 dB. > > Low DC voltage can also be an issue, either due to the power supply > itself or IR loss in the power cable (or even the connector(s). Use > the built-in metering function to check DC voltage with just the RX > running and keydown. Short, fat copper is your friend. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Dec 20 18:29:41 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 18:29:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved In-Reply-To: <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <5C5FDFC8-460B-4506-B9D8-DD6DA2EF8224@widomaker.com> PPs solder real well. Just keep the solder off the outer portion of the round part where the wire fits. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 20, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > > Hi Jim & the others who replied, > > This is a follow-up for someone in the > future who looks for the same solution. > > Yeah, the small amount of difference in > the wattage is insignificant but > considering all the radios I've owned, the > low end of the bands were always the > highest output. 10M was usually the lowest > output & with the K3/K3s, 6M was always as > good as the other bands watt wise and 160 > was full output. This not being the case, > I was concerned. > > I had done the calibration and raised the > output to 87W but that was it. As was > suggested, I raised the voltage from the > PS to give me 13.8V on transmit which > required 14.6V resting. I'm using the > cable Elecraft supplies and I'm suspecting > it could be just a tad lower gauge/thicker > copper to reduce the resistance but on > 160M, I am now getting a 115W reading on > the P3 and 113W on the LP-100A. > > So the increased voltage was the > difference in my case. A thicker wire > would certainly require less voltage than > 14.6 and that's what I am going to look > into. With the power Pole connector, I'll > have to look a little deeper into what > will work best. I have no crimping tool > for Power Pole so that makes it more of a > challenge. > > Anyway, thanks Jim & all who suggested the > higher voltage, it was the answer in this > instance. > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > > >>> On Fri,12/16/2016 9:27 PM, Gary Smith wrote: >>> With the ATU in or out it gives 81W out on 160, SWR is 1.28 >>> >>> All other bands except 6M give around 98W, 6M gives 87W >>> >>> Any ideas what might be causing the lower output on 160? >> >> 81W is 0.9 dB less than 100W; 87W is 0.6 dB less than 100W. On 6M, >> it's probably a simple matter of efficiency -- power amps are slightly >> less efficient on 6M than on the lower bands. >> >> And there may be a power calibration issue. There's a procedure in the >> manual for doing that. >> >> Or even error in the power measurement itself. Few power meters are >> specified for better than 5%. Bird wattmeters are specified as 5% of >> full scale, and a condition of that is that the slug is in >> calibration. If, for example, you're using a 250W slug, accuracy is >> +/- 12.5W. I use an N8LP LP100A, which specifies 5% at any power level >> from 1W, and quotes 3% typical. 5% is 0.22 dB. 3% is 0.13 dB. >> >> Low DC voltage can also be an issue, either due to the power supply >> itself or IR loss in the power cable (or even the connector(s). Use >> the built-in metering function to check DC voltage with just the RX >> running and keydown. Short, fat copper is your friend. :) >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From carl at n8vz.com Tue Dec 20 19:05:49 2016 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?UTF-8?B?Q2FybCBKw7NuIERlbmJvdw==?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 19:05:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 4Sale: Loaded K3s In-Reply-To: <16E93767-3DA5-4445-B1CF-35AF2D038C2B@qth.com> References: <16E93767-3DA5-4445-B1CF-35AF2D038C2B@qth.com> Message-ID: <5859C75D.1040408@n8vz.com> Due to some recent trades I now have three K3-line rigs. I only need two. ;-) Therefore, I have a loaded K3s for sale. Please head over to the qth.com swap shop for details: https://swap.qth.com/. Then just search on my callsign (N8VZ) to find the ad. If interested, please respond through the QTH.com system. Thanks. 73, Carl Sent from my iPhone =========================== Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! =========================== From dld at degeorge.org Tue Dec 20 19:25:23 2016 From: dld at degeorge.org (David DeGeorge) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 19:25:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3,PX3,KXPA100 for sale (David DeGeorge) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The system has been sold. Thanks to everyone who had questions or expressed some interest. David David DeGeorge dld at degeorge.org Amateur Radio: WQ2Q On 12/20/2016 12:29 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > KX3,PX3,KXPA100 for sale (David DeGeorge) From dean.k2ww at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 19:30:37 2016 From: dean.k2ww at gmail.com (Dean L) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 19:30:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 4Sale: Loaded K3s In-Reply-To: <5859C75D.1040408@n8vz.com> References: <16E93767-3DA5-4445-B1CF-35AF2D038C2B@qth.com> <5859C75D.1040408@n8vz.com> Message-ID: Carl Seems like a lot of work! You went through the effort of cross posting it, tell us more about the k3s here. 73 Dean K2WW On Dec 20, 2016 7:06 PM, "Carl J?n Denbow" wrote: > Due to some recent trades I now have three K3-line rigs. I only need two. > ;-) Therefore, I have a loaded K3s for sale. Please head over to the > qth.com swap shop for details: https://swap.qth.com/. > Then just search on my callsign (N8VZ) to find the ad. If interested, > please respond through the QTH.com system. Thanks. > > 73, > > Carl > > Sent from my iPhone > > =========================== > > Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ > > 17 Coventry Lane > > Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 > > carl at n8vz.com > > www.n8vz.com > > EM89wh > > IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 > > PSK and JT65 Forever! > > =========================== > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dean.k2ww at gmail.com From carl at n8vz.com Tue Dec 20 19:55:08 2016 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?utf-8?Q?Carl_J=C3=B3n_Denbow?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 19:55:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 4Sale: Loaded K3s In-Reply-To: References: <16E93767-3DA5-4445-B1CF-35AF2D038C2B@qth.com> <5859C75D.1040408@n8vz.com> Message-ID: Dean, I can do that, but I want all serious inquiries to come through the QTH.com swap shop system. It tracks IP addresses and has some other ways to ID scammers. 73, Carl N8VZ Sent from my iPhone =========================== Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! =========================== > On Dec 20, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Dean L wrote: > > Carl > Seems like a lot of work! > You went through the effort of cross posting it, tell us more about the k3s here. > 73 > Dean K2WW > >> On Dec 20, 2016 7:06 PM, "Carl J?n Denbow" wrote: >> Due to some recent trades I now have three K3-line rigs. I only need two. ;-) Therefore, I have a loaded K3s for sale. Please head over to the qth.com swap shop for details: https://swap.qth.com/. Then just search on my callsign (N8VZ) to find the ad. If interested, please respond through the QTH.com system. Thanks. >> >> 73, >> >> Carl >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> =========================== >> >> Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ >> >> 17 Coventry Lane >> >> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 >> >> carl at n8vz.com >> >> www.n8vz.com >> >> EM89wh >> >> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 >> >> PSK and JT65 Forever! >> >> =========================== >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dean.k2ww at gmail.com From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Tue Dec 20 20:00:29 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 20:00:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Lingua noise reduction Message-ID: <6fb63dfb-2fe7-b410-d8c9-ce51a316c77d@nycap.rr.com> Anyone ever try this DSP device: Lingua at http://www.hoerfabric.de/17/Product+LINGUA/ It looks interesting, but I thought I would ask - in case there is some user experience out there. Bill W2BLC K-Line From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 20 20:13:47 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 20:13:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved In-Reply-To: <5C5FDFC8-460B-4506-B9D8-DD6DA2EF8224@widomaker.com> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <5C5FDFC8-460B-4506-B9D8-DD6DA2EF8224@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <22d4333c-f654-913f-37b9-9b3b87b8d87c@embarqmail.com> All the APP connector blades (inserts) that I have seen which will take #10 or larger wire (30 amp) must be crimped. They have "fingers" that must be bent over the wire. Use a proper crimper for PowerPoles, substitutes will make a mess of the job and mess up the contacts. If you wish to use a bit of solder after crimping, that should be possible, but first crimp with a proper crimping tool. The 20 amp contact blades can be soldered, but the largest wire they will accept is #12. An alternative for less voltage drop is to shorten the cable rather than increasing the wire gauge. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/20/2016 6:29 PM, Nr4c wrote: > PPs solder real well. Just keep the solder off the outer portion of the round part where the wire fits. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Dec 20, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Gary Smith wrote: >> >> Hi Jim & the others who replied, >> >> This is a follow-up for someone in the >> future who looks for the same solution. >> >> Yeah, the small amount of difference in >> the wattage is insignificant but >> considering all the radios I've owned, the >> low end of the bands were always the >> highest output. 10M was usually the lowest >> output & with the K3/K3s, 6M was always as >> good as the other bands watt wise and 160 >> was full output. This not being the case, >> I was concerned. >> >> I had done the calibration and raised the >> output to 87W but that was it. As was >> suggested, I raised the voltage from the >> PS to give me 13.8V on transmit which >> required 14.6V resting. I'm using the >> cable Elecraft supplies and I'm suspecting >> it could be just a tad lower gauge/thicker >> copper to reduce the resistance but on >> 160M, I am now getting a 115W reading on >> the P3 and 113W on the LP-100A. >> >> So the increased voltage was the >> difference in my case. A thicker wire >> would certainly require less voltage than >> 14.6 and that's what I am going to look >> into. With the power Pole connector, I'll >> have to look a little deeper into what >> will work best. I have no crimping tool >> for Power Pole so that makes it more of a >> challenge. >> >> Anyway, thanks Jim & all who suggested the >> higher voltage, it was the answer in this >> instance. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary >> KA1J >> >> >>>> On Fri,12/16/2016 9:27 PM, Gary Smith wrote: >>>> With the ATU in or out it gives 81W out on 160, SWR is 1.28 >>>> >>>> All other bands except 6M give around 98W, 6M gives 87W >>>> >>>> Any ideas what might be causing the lower output on 160? >>> >>> 81W is 0.9 dB less than 100W; 87W is 0.6 dB less than 100W. On 6M, >>> it's probably a simple matter of efficiency -- power amps are slightly >>> less efficient on 6M than on the lower bands. >>> >>> And there may be a power calibration issue. There's a procedure in the >>> manual for doing that. >>> >>> Or even error in the power measurement itself. Few power meters are >>> specified for better than 5%. Bird wattmeters are specified as 5% of >>> full scale, and a condition of that is that the slug is in >>> calibration. If, for example, you're using a 250W slug, accuracy is >>> +/- 12.5W. I use an N8LP LP100A, which specifies 5% at any power level >>> from 1W, and quotes 3% typical. 5% is 0.22 dB. 3% is 0.13 dB. >>> >>> Low DC voltage can also be an issue, either due to the power supply >>> itself or IR loss in the power cable (or even the connector(s). Use >>> the built-in metering function to check DC voltage with just the RX >>> running and keydown. Short, fat copper is your friend. :) >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com >>> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From nf7w at live.com Tue Dec 20 20:57:29 2016 From: nf7w at live.com (Nate Lewis) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 01:57:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO2 troubles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: after many years away, hello again - I'm trying to get my K2 back online, with a KIO2 in it.? (I have a KAT100-2+K2/100 in a separate box, disconnected for now.)? I'm pretty sure all this worked when I put it away - ten years ago maybe. I'm using PuTTY in Windows (with a brand new untried USB/RS232 adapter),?set 4800/8/N/2 with no control.? From the "port on" menu,?the display button?gets me a "FA;" in putty as expected. However, I can't get communication going the other way.? I've doublechecked the cable pinouts and.? Digging in, I see signal coming in to KIO2 U1 pin 6 (MAX1406's R3IN), but always 1.4VDC at R3OUT. :( Disconnecting RS-232 and measuring: at the 1406, Vdd is ~13V, Vss is -3.8V (hmm...valid, but unexpected), and Vcc is 1.2V (!), matching the output from the 7805 (!). I lifted the output pin from the 7805, and it shows 5V again, so...something else?on the KIO2 is pulling it down, but what?? I don't understand the derivation of Vss or what's inside the 1406, so I don't know where to go from here. Advice?? Thanks! From alsopb at comcast.net Tue Dec 20 21:26:50 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 02:26:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Lingua noise reduction In-Reply-To: <6fb63dfb-2fe7-b410-d8c9-ce51a316c77d@nycap.rr.com> References: <6fb63dfb-2fe7-b410-d8c9-ce51a316c77d@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <5859E86A.6090002@comcast.net> Bill, Pretty impressive demo clips. What I really need is something for the TV that pulls the voice out of the background music. There must be some musician's union contract that states that background music has to be of such a level to obscure the voice content. Been looking for years with little avail. An 8 bin equalizer doesn't help much. They really missed an opportunity in HDTV design by not separating the voice and background channels. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 12/21/2016 1:00 AM, Bill wrote: > Anyone ever try this DSP device: Lingua at > http://www.hoerfabric.de/17/Product+LINGUA/ > > It looks interesting, but I thought I would ask - in case there is some > user experience out there. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net From lawresh at woh.rr.com Tue Dec 20 21:52:25 2016 From: lawresh at woh.rr.com (lawresh) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 21:52:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Lingua noise reduction In-Reply-To: <6fb63dfb-2fe7-b410-d8c9-ce51a316c77d@nycap.rr.com> References: <6fb63dfb-2fe7-b410-d8c9-ce51a316c77d@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: Sounds similar - without the ability to do a side-by-side comparison and discover the nuances - to the bhi DSP noise cancelation products: https://www.bhi-ltd.com Steve aa8af > > > Anyone ever try this DSP device: Lingua at http://www.hoerfabric.de/17/Product+LINGUA/ > > It looks interesting, but I thought I would ask - in case there is some user experience out there. > From edauer at law.du.edu Tue Dec 20 23:42:06 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 04:42:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Battery Power Message-ID: <0D473211-BF67-4845-BF07-46373D6AD380@law.du.edu> Just added the battery option to a K1 and noticed something interesting. When operating on battery power, no matter how the output power is set the actual power out is limited to about 2.0 watts. It would make sense if this were a battery power conservation strategy; but I couldn?t find anything about it in either the battery option manual or the K1 manual. Is this the designed behavior? Ted, KN1CBR From w0mu at w0mu.com Wed Dec 21 00:59:36 2016 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:59:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Lingua noise reduction In-Reply-To: <5859E86A.6090002@comcast.net> References: <6fb63dfb-2fe7-b410-d8c9-ce51a316c77d@nycap.rr.com> <5859E86A.6090002@comcast.net> Message-ID: Anyone see a price? On 12/20/2016 7:26 PM, brian wrote: > Bill, > > Pretty impressive demo clips. > > What I really need is something for the TV that pulls the voice out of > the background music. There must be some musician's union contract > that states that background music has to be of such a level to obscure > the voice content. > > Been looking for years with little avail. An 8 bin equalizer doesn't > help much. > > They really missed an opportunity in HDTV design by not separating the > voice and background channels. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > On 12/21/2016 1:00 AM, Bill wrote: >> Anyone ever try this DSP device: Lingua at >> http://www.hoerfabric.de/17/Product+LINGUA/ >> >> It looks interesting, but I thought I would ask - in case there is some >> user experience out there. >> >> Bill W2BLC K-Line >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com From mails at qrp4fun.de Wed Dec 21 04:59:08 2016 From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 10:59:08 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Lingua noise reduction In-Reply-To: References: <6fb63dfb-2fe7-b410-d8c9-ce51a316c77d@nycap.rr.com> <5859E86A.6090002@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2e5a9c11-dee5-e0bb-9a8c-c5091ceccffe@qrp4fun.de> Hello Bill, > Anyone see a price? Yes, here http://darcverlag.de/Lingua 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power! www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de From yo8sep at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 06:05:22 2016 From: yo8sep at gmail.com (yo8sep) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 04:05:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - broadcast band interference ?? Message-ID: <1482318322423-7624847.post@n2.nabble.com> A few days ago I've noticed something strange at my KX3. If was around dusk and I was on 20m band, USB trying to listen for a very low signal station and got something that looks like an AM brodcasting , but not in a language that I can understand. The strange thing was that was heard even when tuning to different frequencies. PRE was on, antenna was yagi 3 elements on 20m, at 12m height. I've made a short video, sorry for the poor quality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX7fr6Iwg-Q If I changed the RX SHIFT settings to 8KHz, I still could see that signal on panadapter (NAP3) but audio was shifted to 8kHz. What could cause that problem/interference ? 73, Petronel YO8SEP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-broadcast-band-interference-tp7624847.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Dec 21 07:37:44 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 07:37:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Battery Power In-Reply-To: <0D473211-BF67-4845-BF07-46373D6AD380@law.du.edu> References: <0D473211-BF67-4845-BF07-46373D6AD380@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <35566146-639f-7ad0-56a6-cbf412e03949@embarqmail.com> Ted, The lower voltage of the battery pack is the reason. If you are using NiMH batteries, the voltage is likely about 9.6 volts, and may be even lower during transmit. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/20/2016 11:42 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Just added the battery option to a K1 and noticed something interesting. When operating on battery power, no matter how the output power is set the actual power out is limited to about 2.0 watts. It would make sense if this were a battery power conservation strategy; but I couldn?t find anything about it in either the battery option manual or the K1 manual. Is this the designed behavior? > From john at kk9a.com Wed Dec 21 07:58:45 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 07:58:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved Message-ID: At my station I use a large 70 amp Astron power supply which sits on the floor. Several month ago, while trouble shooting another issue, I discovered that the voltage drop in my 8' cables was significant. So rather than crank up the voltage I switched to 8ga and now at full transmit wattage the K3S sees 13.5v. The tough part was squeezing 8ga wire into a PowerPole connector that is made for 10ga max. For a shorter lead, like I use when I travel to the Caribbean, 10ga has a minimal voltage drop. John KK9A From: Gary Smith ka1j Hi Jim & the others who replied, This is a follow-up for someone in the future who looks for the same solution. Yeah, the small amount of difference in the wattage is insignificant but considering all the radios I've owned, the low end of the bands were always the highest output. 10M was usually the lowest output & with the K3/K3s, 6M was always as good as the other bands watt wise and 160 was full output. This not being the case, I was concerned. I had done the calibration and raised the output to 87W but that was it. As was suggested, I raised the voltage from the PS to give me 13.8V on transmit which required 14.6V resting. I'm using the cable Elecraft supplies and I'm suspecting it could be just a tad lower gauge/thicker copper to reduce the resistance but on 160M, I am now getting a 115W reading on the P3 and 113W on the LP-100A. So the increased voltage was the difference in my case. A thicker wire would certainly require less voltage than 14.6 and that's what I am going to look into. With the power Pole connector, I'll have to look a little deeper into what will work best. I have no crimping tool for Power Pole so that makes it more of a challenge. Anyway, thanks Jim & all who suggested the higher voltage, it was the answer in this instance. 73, Gary KA1J From raysills3 at verizon.net Wed Dec 21 09:01:24 2016 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 09:01:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved In-Reply-To: <22d4333c-f654-913f-37b9-9b3b87b8d87c@embarqmail.com> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <5C5FDFC8-460B-4506-B9D8-DD6DA2EF8224@widomaker.com> <22d4333c-f654-913f-37b9-9b3b87b8d87c@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I?ll agree with Don: If you are going to use Andersen Power Pole connectors, you have to commit to getting a proper (yes, a proper) crimper. Yeah, they are not cheap, but the savings of time and frustration in assembling the connectors is worth the price. And, like any good tool, it?ll have value in the second hand market, should you decide you don?t need it any more. I?ll let my heirs dispose of my crimper. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 > On Dec 20, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > All the APP connector blades (inserts) that I have seen which will take #10 or larger wire (30 amp) must be crimped. They have "fingers" that must be bent over the wire. Use a proper crimper for PowerPoles, substitutes will make a mess of the job and mess up the contacts. > > If you wish to use a bit of solder after crimping, that should be possible, but first crimp with a proper crimping tool. > > The 20 amp contact blades can be soldered, but the largest wire they will accept is #12. > > An alternative for less voltage drop is to shorten the cable rather than increasing the wire gauge. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > From pincon at erols.com Wed Dec 21 09:05:33 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 09:05:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003a01d25b93$4fd9a730$ef8cf590$@erols.com> A possible solution is to use the heaviest wire you want from the power supply to a few inches away from the radio with a very short pair of 12 ga. wires from the APP to the heavy wire. Shrink tubing can make an ugly connection look passable. It's BEHIND the radio anyway! 73, Charlie k3ICH Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved At my station I use a large 70 amp Astron power supply which sits on the floor. Several month ago, while trouble shooting another issue, I discovered that the voltage drop in my 8' cables was significant. So rather than crank up the voltage I switched to 8ga and now at full transmit wattage the K3S sees 13.5v. The tough part was squeezing 8ga wire into a PowerPole connector that is made for 10ga max. For a shorter lead, like I use when I travel to the Caribbean, 10ga has a minimal voltage drop. John KK9A From Gary at ka1j.com Wed Dec 21 01:15:44 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 01:15:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: <2EB958E6-A826-4562-9ADD-2B95D4CAA8C1@me.com> References: <2EB958E6-A826-4562-9ADD-2B95D4CAA8C1@me.com> Message-ID: <585A1E10.21840.8697660@Gary.ka1j.com> David, I have two TLM 103 and they are a decent albeit not fantastic studio microphone. There is no way I would ever see it sensible to use them on Ham Radio as the off axis response they bring to the table will pick up every sound in your shack and that will pass right along into your transmission. If you ever had a fan running in your shack or an irate significant other anywhere in the house, everybody would know it. A poor choice for a communications rig. 73, Gary KA1J > I have my ESSB and AM higher fidelity hat on. Seeking opinions on the > Heil PR 40 vs. the Neumann TLM 103. > > David Ahrendts, KK6DA, Los Angeles > > > > David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From philji at mac.com Wed Dec 21 09:52:19 2016 From: philji at mac.com (Phillip Lontz) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 07:52:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: <585A1E10.21840.8697660@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <2EB958E6-A826-4562-9ADD-2B95D4CAA8C1@me.com> <585A1E10.21840.8697660@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: The Neuman's may well pass on all the details of audio in your shack BUT they will also pass on one of the most beautiful vocals as well. I say try it and see how good it can be. Don't forget to EQ! Phil K5SSR What me worry? > On Dec 20, 2016, at 11:15 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > > David, > > I have two TLM 103 and they are a decent > albeit not fantastic studio microphone. > There is no way I would ever see it > sensible to use them on Ham Radio as the > off axis response they bring to the table > will pick up every sound in your shack and > that will pass right along into your > transmission. > > If you ever had a fan running in your > shack or an irate significant other > anywhere in the house, everybody would > know it. > > A poor choice for a communications rig. > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > >> I have my ESSB and AM higher fidelity hat on. Seeking opinions on the >> Heil PR 40 vs. the Neumann TLM 103. >> >> David Ahrendts, KK6DA, Los Angeles >> >> >> >> David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to philji at mac.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 09:57:45 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 09:57:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One does not need to jam too-large cable into the power pole connector. Do the power pole normally with the #10 zip cord. Then two or three inches away from the power pole, splice in two more parallel runs of the #10 zip cord. Solder and tape these splices. This will divide your voltage drop by three. 14.6 at PS can be 14.3 at K3, better for TX IMD. The IR loss is spread along the entire wire. A few inches of single #10 to service the connector will not make any difference. Another approach is to fasten down a length of #4 - 3 plus ground "Romex" cable. You can get this stuff cut to exact length at the big box store. At either end terminate with soldered splices to a few inches of #10 zip cord. Black and green to black, red and white to red. That will allow you to put PS anywhere you want. You do need a pretty permanent placement of equipment for this. 73, Guy. On Wednesday, December 21, 2016, john at kk9a.com wrote: > At my station I use a large 70 amp Astron power supply which sits on the > floor. Several month ago, while trouble shooting another issue, I > discovered that the voltage drop in my 8' cables was significant. So > rather than crank up the voltage I switched to 8ga and now at full > transmit wattage the K3S sees 13.5v. The tough part was squeezing 8ga wire > into a PowerPole connector that is made for 10ga max. For a shorter lead, > like I use when I travel to the Caribbean, 10ga has a minimal voltage > drop. > > John KK9A > > From: Gary Smith ka1j > > Hi Jim & the others who replied, > > This is a follow-up for someone in the > future who looks for the same solution. > > Yeah, the small amount of difference in > the wattage is insignificant but > considering all the radios I've owned, the > low end of the bands were always the > highest output. 10M was usually the lowest > output & with the K3/K3s, 6M was always as > good as the other bands watt wise and 160 > was full output. This not being the case, > I was concerned. > > I had done the calibration and raised the > output to 87W but that was it. As was > suggested, I raised the voltage from the > PS to give me 13.8V on transmit which > required 14.6V resting. I'm using the > cable Elecraft supplies and I'm suspecting > it could be just a tad lower gauge/thicker > copper to reduce the resistance but on > 160M, I am now getting a 115W reading on > the P3 and 113W on the LP-100A. > > So the increased voltage was the > difference in my case. A thicker wire > would certainly require less voltage than > 14.6 and that's what I am going to look > into. With the power Pole connector, I'll > have to look a little deeper into what > will work best. I have no crimping tool > for Power Pole so that makes it more of a > challenge. > > Anyway, thanks Jim & all who suggested the > higher voltage, it was the answer in this > instance. > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From w0mu at w0mu.com Wed Dec 21 10:47:14 2016 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 08:47:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Lingua noise reduction In-Reply-To: <2e5a9c11-dee5-e0bb-9a8c-c5091ceccffe@qrp4fun.de> References: <6fb63dfb-2fe7-b410-d8c9-ce51a316c77d@nycap.rr.com> <5859E86A.6090002@comcast.net> <2e5a9c11-dee5-e0bb-9a8c-c5091ceccffe@qrp4fun.de> Message-ID: <9f314812-5d4b-c1f1-2ccb-1c5da66445eb@w0mu.com> Thanks. I wonder if there are plans for a USA distributor? I would like to try one out. W0MU On 12/21/2016 2:59 AM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote: > Hello Bill, > > >> Anyone see a price? > > Yes, here http://darcverlag.de/Lingua > > > 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power! > www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com From w0mu at w0mu.com Wed Dec 21 10:48:18 2016 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 08:48:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - broadcast band interference ?? In-Reply-To: <1482318322423-7624847.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1482318322423-7624847.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <60382642-04e7-753e-7a87-81be71314044@w0mu.com> Are you close to any AM broadcast stations? On 12/21/2016 4:05 AM, yo8sep wrote: > A few days ago I've noticed something strange at my KX3. > If was around dusk and I was on 20m band, USB trying to listen for a very > low signal station and got something that looks like an AM brodcasting , but > not in a language that I can understand. > The strange thing was that was heard even when tuning to different > frequencies. > PRE was on, antenna was yagi 3 elements on 20m, at 12m height. > > I've made a short video, sorry for the poor quality. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX7fr6Iwg-Q > > > If I changed the RX SHIFT settings to 8KHz, I still could see that signal on > panadapter (NAP3) but audio was shifted to 8kHz. > > What could cause that problem/interference ? > > 73, > Petronel > YO8SEP > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-broadcast-band-interference-tp7624847.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com From nineback at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 10:54:23 2016 From: nineback at gmail.com (Tom) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 09:54:23 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Lingua noise reduction In-Reply-To: <9f314812-5d4b-c1f1-2ccb-1c5da66445eb@w0mu.com> References: <6fb63dfb-2fe7-b410-d8c9-ce51a316c77d@nycap.rr.com> <5859E86A.6090002@comcast.net> <2e5a9c11-dee5-e0bb-9a8c-c5091ceccffe@qrp4fun.de> <9f314812-5d4b-c1f1-2ccb-1c5da66445eb@w0mu.com> Message-ID: Try http://www.ssbusa.com/LINGUA.html. Not a very well defined web site. Let us know if you contact them. 73, Tom - KQ5S On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:47 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > Thanks. > > I wonder if there are plans for a USA distributor? I would like to try > one out. > > W0MU > > On 12/21/2016 2:59 AM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote: > >> Hello Bill, >> >> >> Anyone see a price? >>> >> >> Yes, here http://darcverlag.de/Lingua >> >> >> 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power! >> www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nineback at gmail.com > From yo8sep at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 11:00:02 2016 From: yo8sep at gmail.com (yo8sep) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 09:00:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - broadcast band interference ?? In-Reply-To: <60382642-04e7-753e-7a87-81be71314044@w0mu.com> References: <1482318322423-7624847.post@n2.nabble.com> <60382642-04e7-753e-7a87-81be71314044@w0mu.com> Message-ID: There is an AM broadcast station at 40miles from me, but the signal I got was on a foreign language, maybe somewhere Middle East... And it was all over the band, even on upper bands, 15/10. Turning off Pre or turning on RX SHIFT 8KHZ, seems to solve/hide the problem. But that is not really a solution, especially when using NAP3 and CW skimmer. 73 Petronel On 21 Dec 2016 17:50, "w0mu [via Elecraft]" < ml-node+s365791n7624856h56 at n2.nabble.com> wrote: > Are you close to any AM broadcast stations? > > > On 12/21/2016 4:05 AM, yo8sep wrote: > > > A few days ago I've noticed something strange at my KX3. > > If was around dusk and I was on 20m band, USB trying to listen for a > very > > low signal station and got something that looks like an AM brodcasting , > but > > not in a language that I can understand. > > The strange thing was that was heard even when tuning to different > > frequencies. > > PRE was on, antenna was yagi 3 elements on 20m, at 12m height. > > > > I've made a short video, sorry for the poor quality. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX7fr6Iwg-Q > > > > > > If I changed the RX SHIFT settings to 8KHz, I still could see that > signal on > > panadapter (NAP3) but audio was shifted to 8kHz. > > > > What could cause that problem/interference ? > > > > 73, > > Petronel > > YO8SEP > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > nabble.com/KX3-broadcast-band-interference-tp7624847.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-broadcast-band-interference- > tp7624847p7624856.html > To unsubscribe from KX3 - broadcast band interference ??, click here > > . > NAML > > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-broadcast-band-interference-tp7624847p7624858.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Dec 21 12:22:57 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 09:22:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved In-Reply-To: References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <5C5FDFC8-460B-4506-B9D8-DD6DA2EF8224@widomaker.com> <22d4333c-f654-913f-37b9-9b3b87b8d87c@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <4f9870d6-a9e3-595f-b8f7-5e35c0b97c02@audiosystemsgroup.com> I use PowerPole connectors for all DC wiring, not only in the shack, but also throughout the house, and including the dozens of accessories and appliances that run on outboard DC supplies. While a "proper crimper" is helpful, I've installed hundreds of pairs of power pole connectors using nothing more than a soldering iron, needle-nose pliers, and a good bench vise. The bench vise holds the cable in place while I'm soldering. I use the needle-nose pliers to carefully crimp the biggest (30A) pins. I don't crimp the smaller pins. I do tin the copper before soldering. The 30A pins are the only ones that are difficult, and then only when fitting big wire into them. I use stranded cable for DC power wiring; for the few that are #8, I remove a few strands at the connector to make it fit. I then carefully re-twist it and tin it before crimping with the pliers. 73, Jim K9YC On Wed,12/21/2016 6:01 AM, Ray Sills wrote: > If you are going to use Andersen Power Pole connectors, you have to commit to getting a proper (yes, a proper) crimper. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Dec 21 12:27:30 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 09:27:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Neumann vs. Heil Michrophone In-Reply-To: References: <2EB958E6-A826-4562-9ADD-2B95D4CAA8C1@me.com> <585A1E10.21840.8697660@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <393c77f9-1d91-e68b-4901-5a70e65a1eb7@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,12/21/2016 6:52 AM, Phillip Lontz wrote: > The Neuman's may well pass on all the details of audio in your shack BUT they will also pass on one of the most beautiful vocals as well. I have a dozen or so Neumann mics in my stock of recording mics, in addition to similar AKGs. I wouldn't dream of using any of them in my ham station. Ham radio is not about "beautiful," it's about communications. 73, Jim K9YC From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Dec 21 12:46:14 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 09:46:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved In-Reply-To: <4f9870d6-a9e3-595f-b8f7-5e35c0b97c02@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <5C5FDFC8-460B-4506-B9D8-DD6DA2EF8224@widomaker.com> <22d4333c-f654-913f-37b9-9b3b87b8d87c@embarqmail.com> <4f9870d6-a9e3-595f-b8f7-5e35c0b97c02@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1C6F7477-96C4-47EC-821C-76D2D10813D4@wunderwood.org> One more option?Powerwerx has pre-made cables and will make custom cables. https://powerwerx.com/adapter-extension-cables https://powerwerx.com/custom-dc-power-cables wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > > I use PowerPole connectors for all DC wiring, not only in the shack, but also throughout the house, and including the dozens of accessories and appliances that run on outboard DC supplies. While a "proper crimper" is helpful, I've installed hundreds of pairs of power pole connectors using nothing more than a soldering iron, needle-nose pliers, and a good bench vise. The bench vise holds the cable in place while I'm soldering. I use the needle-nose pliers to carefully crimp the biggest (30A) pins. I don't crimp the smaller pins. I do tin the copper before soldering. > > The 30A pins are the only ones that are difficult, and then only when fitting big wire into them. I use stranded cable for DC power wiring; for the few that are #8, I remove a few strands at the connector to make it fit. I then carefully re-twist it and tin it before crimping with the pliers. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Wed,12/21/2016 6:01 AM, Ray Sills wrote: >> If you are going to use Andersen Power Pole connectors, you have to commit to getting a proper (yes, a proper) crimper. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From paule408 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 12:54:26 2016 From: paule408 at yahoo.com (paule408 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dead KAT500? References: <227415303.369392.1482342866555.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <227415303.369392.1482342866555@mail.yahoo.com> I was careless when plugging in the 12V DC power to the rear of my KAT500 tuner and got a small spark when the DC power plug touched the tuner chassis. Now, the tuner wont power on but the two red LEDs on the far right side light up (#3 and Fault) when 12V DC is properly plugged in. Does this indicate a dead KAT500?? Is there anyway to recover without sending it in for repair? Thanks, Paul N6PSE From w0mu at w0mu.com Wed Dec 21 13:11:57 2016 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 11:11:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dead KAT500? In-Reply-To: <227415303.369392.1482342866555@mail.yahoo.com> References: <227415303.369392.1482342866555.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <227415303.369392.1482342866555@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49d82c96-4862-f453-4e54-4859a697f6d6@w0mu.com> Can you talk to the tuner with the usb cable? You might just have scrambled the programming. On 12/21/2016 10:54 AM, paule408--- via Elecraft wrote: > I was careless when plugging in the 12V DC power to the rear of my KAT500 tuner and got a small spark when the DC power plug touched the tuner chassis. > Now, the tuner wont power on but the two red LEDs on the far right side light up (#3 and Fault) when 12V DC is properly plugged in. > Does this indicate a dead KAT500? Is there anyway to recover without sending it in for repair? > Thanks, > Paul N6PSE > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com From dave.w0zf at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 13:29:25 2016 From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 18:29:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved In-Reply-To: <1C6F7477-96C4-47EC-821C-76D2D10813D4@wunderwood.org> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <5C5FDFC8-460B-4506-B9D8-DD6DA2EF8224@widomaker.com> <22d4333c-f654-913f-37b9-9b3b87b8d87c@embarqmail.com> <4f9870d6-a9e3-595f-b8f7-5e35c0b97c02@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1C6F7477-96C4-47EC-821C-76D2D10813D4@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: In the past I installed quite a few power poles with a crimper that was not designed for it. Then a friend bought the purpose-built crimper, which I borrowed several times. HUGE difference. Makes it almost fun! My dear wife took note of this, and conspired with my friend to get one under the tree last Christmas. Now we're all happy. The purpose built crimper is much faster, but more importantly it makes much better quality connections, and they always slip easily into the plastic housing because the crimps are perfectly formed. Proper tools are well worth the investment ( as is my dear wife). 73 de W0ZF On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM Walter Underwood wrote: > One more option?Powerwerx has pre-made cables and will make custom cables. > > https://powerwerx.com/adapter-extension-cables < > https://powerwerx.com/adapter-extension-cables> > https://powerwerx.com/custom-dc-power-cables < > https://powerwerx.com/custom-dc-power-cables> > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Jim Brown > wrote: > > > > I use PowerPole connectors for all DC wiring, not only in the shack, but > also throughout the house, and including the dozens of accessories and > appliances that run on outboard DC supplies. While a "proper crimper" is > helpful, I've installed hundreds of pairs of power pole connectors using > nothing more than a soldering iron, needle-nose pliers, and a good bench > vise. The bench vise holds the cable in place while I'm soldering. I use > the needle-nose pliers to carefully crimp the biggest (30A) pins. I don't > crimp the smaller pins. I do tin the copper before soldering. > > > > The 30A pins are the only ones that are difficult, and then only when > fitting big wire into them. I use stranded cable for DC power wiring; for > the few that are #8, I remove a few strands at the connector to make it > fit. I then carefully re-twist it and tin it before crimping with the > pliers. > > > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > On Wed,12/21/2016 6:01 AM, Ray Sills wrote: > >> If you are going to use Andersen Power Pole connectors, you have to > commit to getting a proper (yes, a proper) crimper. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave.w0zf at gmail.com From w0mu at w0mu.com Wed Dec 21 15:56:03 2016 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 13:56:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Lingua noise reduction In-Reply-To: References: <6fb63dfb-2fe7-b410-d8c9-ce51a316c77d@nycap.rr.com> <5859E86A.6090002@comcast.net> <2e5a9c11-dee5-e0bb-9a8c-c5091ceccffe@qrp4fun.de> <9f314812-5d4b-c1f1-2ccb-1c5da66445eb@w0mu.com> Message-ID: <538e1fd2-0029-aedb-13fc-eaf7b43e7ae1@w0mu.com> I called them this am to talk about trying one out. Sure with a 15 percent restock fee. I talked with the owner? for a while. I got the impression that a rig with decent dsp should be able to do the same thing. $315.00 on the website. They have no email that I see. The guy said maybe he could do $299.00 I think they should open a box and take a deposit and let people demo one for a week. I have hardly ever played with the DSP NR in the K3 so I am experimenting with it now. Is there a good guide on what all the dsp NR settings do in the K3 or do we just try them all till we find the one we like? W0MU On 12/21/2016 8:54 AM, Tom wrote: > Try http://www.ssbusa.com/LINGUA.html. Not a very well defined web > site. Let us know if you contact them. > > 73, > Tom - KQ5S > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:47 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett > wrote: > > Thanks. > > I wonder if there are plans for a USA distributor? I would like > to try one out. > > W0MU > > On 12/21/2016 2:59 AM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote: > > Hello Bill, > > > Anyone see a price? > > > Yes, here http://darcverlag.de/Lingua > > > 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power! > www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nineback at gmail.com > > From jermo at carolinaheli.com Wed Dec 21 16:20:23 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 16:20:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Lingua noise reduction In-Reply-To: <538e1fd2-0029-aedb-13fc-eaf7b43e7ae1@w0mu.com> References: <6fb63dfb-2fe7-b410-d8c9-ce51a316c77d@nycap.rr.com> <5859E86A.6090002@comcast.net> <2e5a9c11-dee5-e0bb-9a8c-c5091ceccffe@qrp4fun.de> <9f314812-5d4b-c1f1-2ccb-1c5da66445eb@w0mu.com> <538e1fd2-0029-aedb-13fc-eaf7b43e7ae1@w0mu.com> Message-ID: <012701d25bd0$0bd83690$2388a3b0$@carolinaheli.com> Fred Cady's book has the best explanation of how to use the DSP that I've found. http://www.elecraft.com/books/books.htm#Cady K3 and P3 book -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W0MU Mike Fatchett Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:56 PM To: Tom Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lingua noise reduction I called them this am to talk about trying one out. Sure with a 15 percent restock fee. I talked with the owner? for a while. I got the impression that a rig with decent dsp should be able to do the same thing. $315.00 on the website. They have no email that I see. The guy said maybe he could do $299.00 I think they should open a box and take a deposit and let people demo one for a week. I have hardly ever played with the DSP NR in the K3 so I am experimenting with it now. Is there a good guide on what all the dsp NR settings do in the K3 or do we just try them all till we find the one we like? W0MU On 12/21/2016 8:54 AM, Tom wrote: > Try http://www.ssbusa.com/LINGUA.html. Not a very well defined web > site. Let us know if you contact them. > > 73, > Tom - KQ5S > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:47 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett > wrote: > > Thanks. > > I wonder if there are plans for a USA distributor? I would like > to try one out. > > W0MU > > On 12/21/2016 2:59 AM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote: > > Hello Bill, > > > Anyone see a price? > > > Yes, here http://darcverlag.de/Lingua > > > 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power! > www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nineback at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net Wed Dec 21 16:21:08 2016 From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net ('DGB') Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 15:21:08 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KPA500 Amp and KAT500 Tuner In-Reply-To: <538e1fd2-0029-aedb-13fc-eaf7b43e7ae1@w0mu.com> References: <6fb63dfb-2fe7-b410-d8c9-ce51a316c77d@nycap.rr.com> <5859E86A.6090002@comcast.net> <2e5a9c11-dee5-e0bb-9a8c-c5091ceccffe@qrp4fun.de> <9f314812-5d4b-c1f1-2ccb-1c5da66445eb@w0mu.com> <538e1fd2-0029-aedb-13fc-eaf7b43e7ae1@w0mu.com> Message-ID: <35ec13ba-9276-f1d9-4cab-ba98065c300f@Bayland.net> Elecraft KPA500 Amp - Bought new as a kit 8/01/2012 s/n 0971- assembled by myself. Includes KPAK3AUX-KPA to K3 Aux Cable and PWR-US240 US 240V Power Cord. Latest firmware installed, cosmetically good, operates full output. No issues - includes manuals, spare fuses, and a new $37 box from Elecraft for shipping. Elecraft KAT500 Tuner- Bought new as a kit 11/20/2012 s/n 0439 - assembled by myself. Includes KXUSB USB Interface Cable, E850463-KAT500 to KPA500 cable, and 12v power cable with powerpoles. No issues, also includes manual. If bought together $2300 shipped and insured CONUS - Payment by USPS Money Order - certified Check from your Bank - Personal Check (with wait till it clears) OR Pay Pal, you pay the fees. If bought individually- $1850 for the Amp and $550 for the Tuner - same shipping and payment methods. No tire-kickers - please don't attempt to make any other offers, I will not respond. Reason for sale is my SPE Expert 1.3K-FA has arrived. Contact me at ns9i at bayland.net or my cell at 92o-246-o46o From huntinhmb at coastside.net Wed Dec 21 16:29:41 2016 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 13:29:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Lingua noise reduction In-Reply-To: <538e1fd2-0029-aedb-13fc-eaf7b43e7ae1@w0mu.com> References: <6fb63dfb-2fe7-b410-d8c9-ce51a316c77d@nycap.rr.com> <5859E86A.6090002@comcast.net> <2e5a9c11-dee5-e0bb-9a8c-c5091ceccffe@qrp4fun.de> <9f314812-5d4b-c1f1-2ccb-1c5da66445eb@w0mu.com> <538e1fd2-0029-aedb-13fc-eaf7b43e7ae1@w0mu.com> Message-ID: Seems like Lyle, the DSP guru, posted a write up here on the reflector a few years back. Maybe it's also on the Elecraft website in their tech notes or do a search here. 73, Brian, K0DTJ > On Dec 21, 2016, at 12:56, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: > > Is there a good guide on what all the dsp NR settings do in the K3 or do we just try them all till we find the one we like? >> From ron at cobi.biz Wed Dec 21 17:04:10 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 14:04:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved In-Reply-To: References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <5C5FDFC8-460B-4506-B9D8-DD6DA2EF8224@widomaker.com> <22d4333c-f654-913f-37b9-9b3b87b8d87c@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <006901d25bd6$28728b10$7957a130$@biz> FWIW, all of my 30A PP connectors are soldered, not crimped, as originally recommended by Wayne for those who choose not to spend the money on a purpose-built crimper for PowerPole terminals. I have not had any trouble since I started soldering PP connectors for my KPA100 fifteen years ago. I currently have about a dozen PP cables in the shack. To solder the terminals on the wires, I put the stripped wires in a vice, ends pointing upward. Slip the connectors over the exposed wire and align them to easily slide in to the housing later. I heat the terminal on the end and feed solder in through the small opening at the "top" of the terminal (when it is in the vice) so it flows down into the inside of the terminal and into the wire strands. That way there is no solder on the outside of the terminal or on the contact surface above where I add the solder. Solder on the outside of the terminal makes it hard to slide into the housing but it can be desoldered/filed down if needed. Solder on the mating terminal surface means it won't mate properly and the terminal needs to be replaced. PP connectors depend upon clean, flat mating surfaces for a proper, low-resistance contact. That is lost if a layer of solder is allowed to flow onto the terminal. Properly done crimps that exclude all air and water vapor molecules from between the wire and terminal are as good as solder and they are a lot faster to make, especially with a little practice. That's why they are widely used in manufacturing where time is money. 73, Ron AC7AC From hms4 at lehigh.edu Wed Dec 21 19:39:20 2016 From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:39:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ERR KEY Message-ID: I have installed the new version of WSJT-X and when changing the bands on my K3s, I get the ERR KEY code on the display and the K3s is forced into Tx. I must power cycle the K3s to clear, but repeats when I go to these bands again. This occurs only on 80, 20, 17, 15, 10, & 6M, the other bands are fine? Any ideas? Howard AE3T From dave at nk7z.net Wed Dec 21 19:41:56 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 16:41:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] ERR KEY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57f7ece2-fa86-f078-f888-de3743b39e67@nk7z.net> As a self check, my K3, (not S), works fine with the new version, 1.7. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 12/21/2016 04:39 PM, Howard Sherer wrote: > I have installed the new version of WSJT-X and when changing the bands on > my K3s, I get the ERR KEY code on the display and the K3s is forced into > Tx. I must power cycle the K3s to clear, but repeats when I go to these > bands again. > > This occurs only on 80, 20, 17, 15, 10, & 6M, the other bands are fine? > > Any ideas? > > > Howard AE3T > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Wed Dec 21 19:46:35 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 16:46:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] ERR KEY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you have "Allow Tx frequency changes while transmitting" TX checked under Settings? Ken At 04:39 PM 12/21/2016, Howard Sherer wrote: >I have installed the new version of WSJT-X and when changing the bands on >my K3s, I get the ERR KEY code on the display and the K3s is forced into >Tx. I must power cycle the K3s to clear, but repeats when I go to these >bands again. > >This occurs only on 80, 20, 17, 15, 10, & 6M, the other bands are fine? > >Any ideas? > > >Howard AE3T >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Dec 21 20:06:23 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 20:06:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ERR KEY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E8E0A62-7602-41B5-ABE4-012B3F581104@widomaker.com> Unplug everything but power and antenna. Begin adding cables one at a time. What mode is in use on each of those bands? Check VOX. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Howard Sherer wrote: > > I have installed the new version of WSJT-X and when changing the bands on > my K3s, I get the ERR KEY code on the display and the K3s is forced into > Tx. I must power cycle the K3s to clear, but repeats when I go to these > bands again. > > This occurs only on 80, 20, 17, 15, 10, & 6M, the other bands are fine? > > Any ideas? > > > Howard AE3T > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From hms4 at lehigh.edu Wed Dec 21 20:32:20 2016 From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 20:32:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ERR KEY Message-ID: I solved the problem. I had to force the control line DTR = Low in the radio config menu of WSJT. I dontknow why but i tried many things andthis works. So a note to others configuring WSJT. Thanks everyone for the suggestions. 73 de AE3T Howard Sherer From john.kaufmann at verizon.net Wed Dec 21 21:19:37 2016 From: john.kaufmann at verizon.net (John Kaufmann) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 21:19:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved Message-ID: <015801d25bf9$d86bbf50$89433df0$@verizon.net> I use a 6-foot run of 10 gauge cable between my power supply (the Astron RS-35M) and my K3S. With my Fluke DVM, I measured the voltage difference between the power supply output terminals and the Power Pole terminals inside the radio. The difference is only .03 or .04 volts under maximum current draw when transmitting at full power. In other words, the voltage drop across the entire length of the 10 gauge cable is negligible. There is no benefit to using a large gauge wire unless you are using a really long (>> 6 feet) cable. 73, John W1FV ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:34:59 -0500 From: "Gary Smith" To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved Message-ID: <5859B213.5783.6C3A360 at Gary.ka1j.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Jim & the others who replied, This is a follow-up for someone in the future who looks for the same solution. Yeah, the small amount of difference in the wattage is insignificant but considering all the radios I've owned, the low end of the bands were always the highest output. 10M was usually the lowest output & with the K3/K3s, 6M was always as good as the other bands watt wise and 160 was full output. This not being the case, I was concerned. I had done the calibration and raised the output to 87W but that was it. As was suggested, I raised the voltage from the PS to give me 13.8V on transmit which required 14.6V resting. I'm using the cable Elecraft supplies and I'm suspecting it could be just a tad lower gauge/thicker copper to reduce the resistance but on 160M, I am now getting a 115W reading on the P3 and 113W on the LP-100A. So the increased voltage was the difference in my case. A thicker wire would certainly require less voltage than 14.6 and that's what I am going to look into. With the power Pole connector, I'll have to look a little deeper into what will work best. I have no crimping tool for Power Pole so that makes it more of a challenge. Anyway, thanks Jim & all who suggested the higher voltage, it was the answer in this instance. 73, Gary KA1J From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Dec 21 21:42:40 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 21:42:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved In-Reply-To: <015801d25bf9$d86bbf50$89433df0$@verizon.net> References: <015801d25bf9$d86bbf50$89433df0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <0F483D0A-00C2-485E-AA2A-A7687419BE1E@widomaker.com> Don't forget to multiply by two, current makes the round trip. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:19 PM, John Kaufmann wrote: > > I use a 6-foot run of 10 gauge cable between my power supply (the Astron > RS-35M) and my K3S. With my Fluke DVM, I measured the voltage difference > between the power supply output terminals and the Power Pole terminals > inside the radio. The difference is only .03 or .04 volts under maximum > current draw when transmitting at full power. In other words, the voltage > drop across the entire length of the 10 gauge cable is negligible. There is > no benefit to using a large gauge wire unless you are using a really long > (>> 6 feet) cable. > > > > 73, John W1FV > > > > ----------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:34:59 -0500 > > From: "Gary Smith" > > To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > > Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved > > Message-ID: <5859B213.5783.6C3A360 at Gary.ka1j.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > > Hi Jim & the others who replied, > > > > This is a follow-up for someone in the > > future who looks for the same solution. > > > > Yeah, the small amount of difference in > > the wattage is insignificant but > > considering all the radios I've owned, the > > low end of the bands were always the > > highest output. 10M was usually the lowest > > output & with the K3/K3s, 6M was always as > > good as the other bands watt wise and 160 > > was full output. This not being the case, > > I was concerned. > > > > I had done the calibration and raised the > > output to 87W but that was it. As was > > suggested, I raised the voltage from the > > PS to give me 13.8V on transmit which > > required 14.6V resting. I'm using the > > cable Elecraft supplies and I'm suspecting > > it could be just a tad lower gauge/thicker > > copper to reduce the resistance but on > > 160M, I am now getting a 115W reading on > > the P3 and 113W on the LP-100A. > > > > So the increased voltage was the > > difference in my case. A thicker wire > > would certainly require less voltage than > > 14.6 and that's what I am going to look > > into. With the power Pole connector, I'll > > have to look a little deeper into what > > will work best. I have no crimping tool > > for Power Pole so that makes it more of a > > challenge. > > > > Anyway, thanks Jim & all who suggested the > > higher voltage, it was the answer in this > > instance. > > > > 73, > > > > Gary > > KA1J > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From btippett at alum.mit.edu Thu Dec 22 06:59:07 2016 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 04:59:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved In-Reply-To: <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> "A thicker wire would certainly require less voltage than 14.6 and that's what I am going to look into." Another reason to run higher voltage is improved IMD performance on SSB transmit. Lots of info available from previous threads. I've been running 14.5 at the K3 terminals on multiple units for over 5 years with no problems. 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3s-80W-on-160-tp7624720p7624875.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Dec 22 12:40:55 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 09:40:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved In-Reply-To: <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,12/22/2016 3:59 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > Another reason to run higher voltage is improved IMD performance on SSB > transmit. Lots of info available from previous threads. I've been running > 14.5 at the K3 terminals on multiple units for over 5 years with no > problems. Bill, IMD also affects CW. What we call CW is not "continuous wave," it is a continuous wave that is 100% modulated by a rectangular wave. That rectangular wave is rich in harmonics, and excites IMD. We hear it as clicks. This can be clearly seen on slides 8-16 of http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf Slides 8, 9,and11 show the spectrum of a real "continuous wave" -- that is, a steady, unkeyed carrier. Slides 14-16 show the spectrum of dits at about 30 wpm. The difference is the keying sidebands, and those humps down below -50 dBC are IMD. 73, Jim K9YC From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Thu Dec 22 13:10:08 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 13:10:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Lingua noise reduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0d6cf663-f416-aab3-28eb-9a86f4437462@nycap.rr.com> Sole source appears to be: http://darcverlag.de/LINGUA-Sprachextractor Bill W2BLC K-Line From n7xy at n7xy.net Thu Dec 22 14:03:53 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 11:03:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Small Audio Interface? In-Reply-To: <1128289280.525889.1482413061361@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1128289280.525889.1482413061361@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <719ed510-85ce-aa5b-6901-664acd5c3be2@n7xy.net> The iMic is very good. There are also some quite small devices from China which all look similar but are of varying quality. The Daffodil US01 is one of the better ones. It is available on eBay or from amazon.com. 73, Bob N7XY On 12/22/16 5:24 AM, Richard gillingham rmoodyg at bellsouth.net [KX3] wrote: > Look at the Griffin iMic... > > 73 > Gil, W1RG > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* "'Michael A. Waldron' lists at mikew.org [KX3]" > > *To:* KX3 at yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:42 AM > *Subject:* [KX3] Small Audio Interface? > > Does anyone know of any physically small audio interfaces for the KX3? > > > I'm looking for something like the SignalLink USB (built in audio > codec is required) but less volume. > > > I've assembled a great mini digital station with my KX3 and a portable > RaspberryPi, but the size of the SignalLink USB is just too much for > what it does. > > > Recreated with modern technology it shouldn't be any larger than a > pack of Wrigleys gum! The Audio Transformers should be the limiting > factor in the design. > > > Has any company made a similar interface where size was a primary concern? > > > Thanks all! > > > -Mike AE0MW > > > -- > Michael A. Waldron, AE0MW > http://www.mikew.org > > > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: "Michael A. Waldron" > > ------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KX3/ > > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KX3/join > > (Yahoo! 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I assume others on the list may also be interested... 73, and a firm left handshake, John (XLX) -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Nielsen Sent: 22 December 2016 19:04 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Small Audio Interface? The iMic is very good. There are also some quite small devices from China which all look similar but are of varying quality. The Daffodil US01 is one of the better ones. It is available on eBay or from amazon.com. 73, Bob N7XY On 12/22/16 5:24 AM, Richard gillingham rmoodyg at bellsouth.net [KX3] wrote: > Look at the Griffin iMic... > > 73 > Gil, W1RG > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > *From:* "'Michael A. Waldron' lists at mikew.org [KX3]" > > *To:* KX3 at yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:42 AM > *Subject:* [KX3] Small Audio Interface? > > Does anyone know of any physically small audio interfaces for the KX3? > > > I'm looking for something like the SignalLink USB (built in audio > codec is required) but less volume. > > > I've assembled a great mini digital station with my KX3 and a portable > RaspberryPi, but the size of the SignalLink USB is just too much for > what it does. > > > Recreated with modern technology it shouldn't be any larger than a > pack of Wrigleys gum! The Audio Transformers should be the limiting > factor in the design. > > > Has any company made a similar interface where size was a primary concern? > > > Thanks all! > > > -Mike AE0MW > > > -- > Michael A. Waldron, AE0MW > http://www.mikew.org > > > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: "Michael A. 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Terms > of Use > > . > > __,_._,___ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to john at eeek.org.uk From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net Thu Dec 22 14:32:53 2016 From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net ('DGB') Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 13:32:53 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KPA500 Amp and KAT500 Tuner SOLD In-Reply-To: <35ec13ba-9276-f1d9-4cab-ba98065c300f@Bayland.net> References: <6fb63dfb-2fe7-b410-d8c9-ce51a316c77d@nycap.rr.com> <5859E86A.6090002@comcast.net> <2e5a9c11-dee5-e0bb-9a8c-c5091ceccffe@qrp4fun.de> <9f314812-5d4b-c1f1-2ccb-1c5da66445eb@w0mu.com> <538e1fd2-0029-aedb-13fc-eaf7b43e7ae1@w0mu.com> <35ec13ba-9276-f1d9-4cab-ba98065c300f@Bayland.net> Message-ID: <472aa996-f5d7-a8da-d08d-1abe28e1ea39@Bayland.net> TUNER SOLD On 12/21/2016 3:21 PM, 'DGB' wrote: > Elecraft KPA500 Amp - Bought new as a kit 8/01/2012 s/n 0971- > assembled by myself. Includes KPAK3AUX-KPA to K3 Aux Cable and > PWR-US240 US 240V Power Cord. Latest firmware installed, cosmetically > good, operates full output. No issues - includes manuals, spare fuses, > and a new $37 box from Elecraft for shipping. > > Elecraft KAT500 Tuner- Bought new as a kit 11/20/2012 s/n 0439 - > assembled by myself. Includes KXUSB USB Interface Cable, > E850463-KAT500 to KPA500 cable, and 12v power cable with powerpoles. > No issues, also includes manual. > > If bought together $2300 shipped and insured CONUS - Payment by USPS > Money Order - certified Check from your Bank - Personal Check (with > wait till it clears) OR Pay Pal, you pay the fees. > > If bought individually- $1850 for the Amp and $550 for the Tuner - > same shipping and payment methods. No tire-kickers - please don't > attempt to make any other offers, I will not respond. > > Reason for sale is my SPE Expert 1.3K-FA has arrived. > > Contact me at ns9i at bayland.net or my cell at 92o-246-o46o > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ns9i2016 at bayland.net > > From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net Thu Dec 22 14:38:16 2016 From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net ('DGB') Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 13:38:16 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft KPA500 Solid State Amplifier In-Reply-To: <35ec13ba-9276-f1d9-4cab-ba98065c300f@Bayland.net> References: <6fb63dfb-2fe7-b410-d8c9-ce51a316c77d@nycap.rr.com> <5859E86A.6090002@comcast.net> <2e5a9c11-dee5-e0bb-9a8c-c5091ceccffe@qrp4fun.de> <9f314812-5d4b-c1f1-2ccb-1c5da66445eb@w0mu.com> <538e1fd2-0029-aedb-13fc-eaf7b43e7ae1@w0mu.com> <35ec13ba-9276-f1d9-4cab-ba98065c300f@Bayland.net> Message-ID: Elecraft KPA500 Amp - Bought new as a kit 8/01/2012 s/n 0971- assembled by myself. Includes KPAK3AUX-KPA to K3 Aux Cable and PWR-US240 US 240V Power Cord. Latest firmware installed, cosmetically good, operates full output. No issues - includes manuals, spare fuses, and a new $37 box from Elecraft for shipping. $1850 shipped and insured CONUS - Payment by USPS Money Order - certified Check from your Bank - Personal Check (with wait till it clears) OR Pay Pal, you pay the fees. Please No tire-kickers! Reason for sale is my SPE Expert 1.3K-FA has just arrived. Contact me at ns9i at bayland.net or my cell at 92o-246-o46o From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Dec 22 14:58:33 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 11:58:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] ERR KEY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <759465ea-1635-3bf5-220d-2d34bd749f03@foothill.net> My first guess is that either DTR or RTS is being asserted by WSJT and you have it configured in your K3 for PTT. CONFIG --> PTT-KEY --> OFF-OFF will do it if that's the case. Happened to me. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 12/21/2016 4:39 PM, Howard Sherer wrote: > I have installed the new version of WSJT-X and when changing the bands on > my K3s, I get the ERR KEY code on the display and the K3s is forced into > Tx. I must power cycle the K3s to clear, but repeats when I go to these > bands again. > > This occurs only on 80, 20, 17, 15, 10, & 6M, the other bands are fine? > > Any ideas? > > > Howard AE3T > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13634 - Release Date: 12/22/16 > > From jim at jtmiller.com Thu Dec 22 15:02:48 2016 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 15:02:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ERR KEY In-Reply-To: <759465ea-1635-3bf5-220d-2d34bd749f03@foothill.net> References: <759465ea-1635-3bf5-220d-2d34bd749f03@foothill.net> Message-ID: I like using assigning rig to DXLabs Commander. Seems to work very smoothly so far. That way there are no port conflicts and I don't need to kill my logging program (DXLabs Suite) to run WSJT-x. jim ab3cv On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > My first guess is that either DTR or RTS is being asserted by WSJT and you > have it configured in your K3 for PTT. CONFIG --> PTT-KEY --> OFF-OFF will > do it if that's the case. Happened to me. > > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV > Washoe County DM09dn > > On 12/21/2016 4:39 PM, Howard Sherer wrote: > >> I have installed the new version of WSJT-X and when changing the bands on >> my K3s, I get the ERR KEY code on the display and the K3s is forced into >> Tx. I must power cycle the K3s to clear, but repeats when I go to these >> bands again. >> >> This occurs only on 80, 20, 17, 15, 10, & 6M, the other bands are fine? >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> Howard AE3T >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13634 - Release Date: 12/22/16 >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > From no9e at arrl.net Thu Dec 22 15:52:40 2016 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 13:52:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and SDR-IQ and CW Skimmer Message-ID: <1482439960418-7624884.post@n2.nabble.com> I am trying to set up CW Skimmer with SDR-IQ and K3 so that SDR-IQ is connected to IF OUT and follows K3's frequency. Is this doable? If not, it there any way of configuring SDR-IQ to follow band changes with K3? Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-SDR-IQ-and-CW-Skimmer-tp7624884.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k9ma at sdellington.us Thu Dec 22 16:10:48 2016 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 15:10:48 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved In-Reply-To: <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> On 12/22/2016 11:40, Jim Brown wrote: > IMD also affects CW. What we call CW is not "continuous wave," it is a > continuous wave that is 100% modulated by a rectangular wave. That > rectangular wave is rich in harmonics, and excites IMD. We hear it as > clicks. It would be interesting to see how much IMD it takes to significantly increase key clicks of a "clean" keyed CW signal, like that of the K3. I'd expect the effect to be small, compared to that on an SSB signal for the same level of IMD, but I could be wrong. I suppose a simple test would be to have a local friend with a P3 watch the signal as I turned down the supply voltage on my K3. Has anyone tried anything like that? 73, Scott K9MA -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From w4rm at aol.com Thu Dec 22 16:37:23 2016 From: w4rm at aol.com (Bill OMara) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 16:37:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 remote over satellite internet? Message-ID: <103101d25c9b$94ef1b30$becd5190$@aol.com> Does anyone have any good new story's in running a k3 remoterig set-up over a satellite internet system? Hughes Net, Exede or others I'm interested to if this a possible solution to a AT&T DSL internet line (better or worse?) Thanks for any input. 73 Bill W4RM From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Dec 22 16:42:34 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 16:42:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved In-Reply-To: <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> Message-ID: <9E6B015A-3217-4140-B192-647FFDB9A8A7@widomaker.com> Check with Jim Brown K9YC. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 22, 2016, at 4:10 PM, K9MA wrote: > >> On 12/22/2016 11:40, Jim Brown wrote: >> IMD also affects CW. What we call CW is not "continuous wave," it is a continuous wave that is 100% modulated by a rectangular wave. That rectangular wave is rich in harmonics, and excites IMD. We hear it as clicks. > It would be interesting to see how much IMD it takes to significantly increase key clicks of a "clean" keyed CW signal, like that of the K3. I'd expect the effect to be small, compared to that on an SSB signal for the same level of IMD, but I could be wrong. I suppose a simple test would be to have a local friend with a P3 watch the signal as I turned down the supply voltage on my K3. Has anyone tried anything like that? > > 73, > > Scott K9MA > > > -- > Scott K9MA > > k9ma at sdellington.us > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Dec 22 17:00:24 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:00:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 remote over satellite internet? In-Reply-To: <103101d25c9b$94ef1b30$becd5190$@aol.com> References: <103101d25c9b$94ef1b30$becd5190$@aol.com> Message-ID: I can come close. I currently operate W7RN remotely using our AT&T Uverse Internet. It's 45 Mbps from the street to the router, and the computer and Remoterig box run in the 18-20 Mbps down and half that up. Ping time to the station is in the 40-45 ms range. It works fine [well ... nearly all the time, sometimes the I'net loses packets but that's rare]. W7RN uses Teamviewer to access the PC that runs all the station automation. Teamviewer exhibits some increased latency, annoying but certainly usable, but that's not the remote radio connection. I have never operated a radio remotely over a satellite link. I have used such links [HughesNet] for computer-computer work. For file transfer, web downloads, and even interaction with web sites [Amazon, PayPal, etc], it is acceptable. For remote control of a distant computer, it is nearly, if not completely, unusable. The space delay is only about 27 ms or so, but there the net latency was in the 2-4 sec range so there must be additional delays involved. These experiences suggest, to me at least, that the latency of satellite links would make remote operation of a radio very difficult if not impossible. FWIW: We live in a suburban neighborhood with lots of wifi on the scanner. I put our Uverse wifi on the most occupied channel once [6] just to see the effect. The speed seen by the Remoterig box dropped to about 1.5 Mbps. Everything continued to work just fine. I've been told that it will work with 500 - 600 Kbps. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 12/22/2016 1:37 PM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: > Does anyone have any good new story's in running a k3 remoterig set-up over > a satellite internet system? Hughes Net, Exede or others > > I'm interested to if this a possible solution to a AT&T DSL internet line > (better or worse?) > > Thanks for any input. > > 73 Bill W4RM > From lists at subich.com Thu Dec 22 17:25:17 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 17:25:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 remote over satellite internet? In-Reply-To: <103101d25c9b$94ef1b30$becd5190$@aol.com> References: <103101d25c9b$94ef1b30$becd5190$@aol.com> Message-ID: <5cbb5a63-38ec-1132-9f87-8ffdf73b630b@subich.com> The latency (delay) through the satellite will probably be a killer. IIRC, ping times through a satellite link are > 500 ms (120 ms up, 120 ms down *times two* plus any time in the network on each end). The question becomes can you handle ~1/2 second delay in control response and deal with audio that is delayed by ~1/4 second each way? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/22/2016 4:37 PM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: > Does anyone have any good new story's in running a k3 remoterig set-up over > a satellite internet system? Hughes Net, Exede or others > > > > I'm interested to if this a possible solution to a AT&T DSL internet line > (better or worse?) > > > > Thanks for any input. > > > > 73 Bill W4RM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Dec 22 17:43:26 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:43:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 remote over satellite internet? In-Reply-To: <103101d25c9b$94ef1b30$becd5190$@aol.com> References: <103101d25c9b$94ef1b30$becd5190$@aol.com> Message-ID: <0c87b558-0f52-2a59-e3a8-f2752b3242f4@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,12/22/2016 1:37 PM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: > Does anyone have any good new story's in running a k3 remoterig set-up over > a satellite internet system? Hughes Net, Exede or others There are at least two issues. The most obvious is latency -- how much "turn around" time are you able to tolerate? You've got to make the round trip up and back to the bird, and that's in addition to digital encoding latency. The second issue is bandwidth. I've heard that satellite systems aren't exactly speedy. :) 73, Jim K9YC From W4RM at AOL.COM Thu Dec 22 17:56:43 2016 From: W4RM at AOL.COM (Bill OMara) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 17:56:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 remote over satellite internet? In-Reply-To: <0c87b558-0f52-2a59-e3a8-f2752b3242f4@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <103101d25c9b$94ef1b30$becd5190$@aol.com> <0c87b558-0f52-2a59-e3a8-f2752b3242f4@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <032601d25ca6$aa0d2380$fe276a80$@AOL.COM> Jim and others, I agree with everything that everyone has said..... That's why I was asking about a good news story? Has anyone tried it? Any real first hand reports? The specs don't always tell the truth, but most of the time they do! 73 Bill W4RM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:43 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 remote over satellite internet? On Thu,12/22/2016 1:37 PM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: > Does anyone have any good new story's in running a k3 remoterig set-up > over a satellite internet system? Hughes Net, Exede or others There are at least two issues. The most obvious is latency -- how much "turn around" time are you able to tolerate? You've got to make the round trip up and back to the bird, and that's in addition to digital encoding latency. The second issue is bandwidth. I've heard that satellite systems aren't exactly speedy. :) 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4rm at aol.com From dj0qn at gmx.net Thu Dec 22 18:25:32 2016 From: dj0qn at gmx.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mitch_Wolfson=2c_DJ=c3=98QN_/_K7DX?=) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 18:25:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 remote over satellite internet? In-Reply-To: <032601d25ca6$aa0d2380$fe276a80$@AOL.COM> References: <103101d25c9b$94ef1b30$becd5190$@aol.com> <0c87b558-0f52-2a59-e3a8-f2752b3242f4@audiosystemsgroup.com> <032601d25ca6$aa0d2380$fe276a80$@AOL.COM> Message-ID: Bill, There are *no *good news stories on using RemoteRig over satellite. A couple of people have been on the RemoteRig Forum where things like this are discussed at http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php and had tried in vain to get it to work. As Joe wrote, the latency is too high to make it work. To put it more in numbers, the speed of light is (only) 300,000 km/s and the geosynchronous satellites are in orbit at 40,000 km. Therefore, for the double round trip that is necessary for the packets, you have a trip of 160,000 km. This gives you a latency of 533 ms. Then you need to add on the normal ground latency that comes on top of this in the 200 ms range, giving you a delay of about three-quarters of one second! Things get difficult for SSB once you hit about 200 ms, so this just will not work due to physics. 73, Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109 Skype: mitchwo USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171 Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 On 22.12.2016 17:56, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: > Jim and others, > > I agree with everything that everyone has said..... That's why I was asking > about a good news story? Has anyone tried it? > Any real first hand reports? > > The specs don't always tell the truth, but most of the time they do! > > 73 Bill W4RM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim > Brown > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:43 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 remote over satellite internet? > > On Thu,12/22/2016 1:37 PM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: >> Does anyone have any good new story's in running a k3 remoterig set-up >> over a satellite internet system? Hughes Net, Exede or others > There are at least two issues. The most obvious is latency -- how much "turn > around" time are you able to tolerate? You've got to make the round trip up > and back to the bird, and that's in addition to digital encoding latency. > The second issue is bandwidth. I've heard that satellite systems aren't > exactly speedy. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to w4rm at aol.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dj0qn at arrl.net > From ve3wdm at hotmail.com Thu Dec 22 18:38:46 2016 From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (Mike Weir) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 23:38:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 discontinued?? Message-ID: I have built 2 Elecraft K2's and very much miss the kit building thrill. I was considering purchasing another K2 to build and maybe sell, while I was on the order page I noticed KDSP2 has been discontinued?? Now maybe I was not paying close attention to the reflector but I can't remember a post about from anyone regarding the KSDP2 going by the wayside. I was just wondering why it has been discontinued? Mike VE3WDM From W4RM at AOL.COM Thu Dec 22 18:49:14 2016 From: W4RM at AOL.COM (Bill OMara) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 18:49:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 remote over satellite internet? In-Reply-To: References: <103101d25c9b$94ef1b30$becd5190$@aol.com> <0c87b558-0f52-2a59-e3a8-f2752b3242f4@audiosystemsgroup.com> <032601d25ca6$aa0d2380$fe276a80$@AOL.COM> Message-ID: <041a01d25cae$00809f60$0181de20$@AOL.COM> Thanks Mitch I think we can close this thread as I can?t find any light at the end of the rainbow. 73 Bill W4RM From: Mitch Wolfson, DJ?QN / K7DX [mailto:dj0qn at gmx.net] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:26 PM To: Bill OMara ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 remote over satellite internet? Bill, There are no good news stories on using RemoteRig over satellite. A couple of people have been on the RemoteRig Forum where things like this are discussed at http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php and had tried in vain to get it to work. As Joe wrote, the latency is too high to make it work. To put it more in numbers, the speed of light is (only) 300,000 km/s and the geosynchronous satellites are in orbit at 40,000 km. Therefore, for the double round trip that is necessary for the packets, you have a trip of 160,000 km. This gives you a latency of 533 ms. Then you need to add on the normal ground latency that comes on top of this in the 200 ms range, giving you a delay of about three-quarters of one second! Things get difficult for SSB once you hit about 200 ms, so this just will not work due to physics. 73, Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109 Skype: mitchwo USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171 Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 On 22.12.2016 17:56, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: Jim and others, I agree with everything that everyone has said..... That's why I was asking about a good news story? Has anyone tried it? Any real first hand reports? The specs don't always tell the truth, but most of the time they do! 73 Bill W4RM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:43 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 remote over satellite internet? On Thu,12/22/2016 1:37 PM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: Does anyone have any good new story's in running a k3 remoterig set-up over a satellite internet system? Hughes Net, Exede or others There are at least two issues. The most obvious is latency -- how much "turn around" time are you able to tolerate? You've got to make the round trip up and back to the bird, and that's in addition to digital encoding latency. The second issue is bandwidth. I've heard that satellite systems aren't exactly speedy. :) 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4rm at aol.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dj0qn at arrl.net From ron at cobi.biz Thu Dec 22 19:03:21 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 16:03:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 discontinued?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006801d25caf$f9a814a0$ecf83de0$@biz> It was mentioned here. IIRC Lyle (the engineer) said that certain parts had become "unobtainum". 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Weir Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:39 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 discontinued?? I have built 2 Elecraft K2's and very much miss the kit building thrill. I was considering purchasing another K2 to build and maybe sell, while I was on the order page I noticed KDSP2 has been discontinued?? Now maybe I was not paying close attention to the reflector but I can't remember a post about from anyone regarding the KSDP2 going by the wayside. I was just wondering why it has been discontinued? Mike VE3WDM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Dec 22 20:59:29 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 18:59:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and SDR-IQ and CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <1482439960418-7624884.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1482439960418-7624884.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I don't use skimmer so can't begin to comment on that. But I do use an SDR-IQ with SpectraVue on my K3 and/or K3S i-f output(s). The SDR-IQ follows the K3s perfectly and conversely, you can point-and-click the screen in SpectraVue and tune the K3. You can also tune the K3 with the mouse wheel. Since my K3 needs to talk to my logging programs too, I use LP-Bridge to facilitate that. I've recently become interested in 160 DXing and the waterfall display is invaluable in showing signals that I would probably miss when manually tuning the band. If you want more setup info contact me off list. Elecraft wants to sell P3s. Wes N7WS On 12/22/2016 1:52 PM, Ignacy wrote: > I am trying to set up CW Skimmer with SDR-IQ and K3 so that SDR-IQ is > connected to IF OUT and follows K3's frequency. Is this doable? > > If not, it there any way of configuring SDR-IQ to follow band changes with > K3? > > Ignacy, NO9E > > From jf.va2ss at icloud.com Thu Dec 22 21:03:29 2016 From: jf.va2ss at icloud.com (=?utf-8?Q?Jean-Fran=C3=A7ois_M=C3=A9nard?=) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 21:03:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 "USB DEVICE REMOVED" Message-ID: <4C4C6848-2C4F-4011-8100-F6A82B6033B3@icloud.com> Hi, I?m using my USB keyboard with the P3+SVGAboard. The keyboard works great until I power off the P3 then back on. I always have a message on the external VGA display ? USB DEVICE REMOVED ? and the keyboard doest not work until I unplug the keyboard and plug it back again. When I turn on the P3, I always see the keyboard usual init flashing green led. When in the terminal mode, I cannot see the K until I unplug then plug again the keyboard. Any idea ??? Regards, 73 de Jeff | VA2SS __________________________________________ Jeff | VA2SS Jean-Fran?ois M?nard jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com www.VA2SS.com Message envoy? ? partir de mon appareil mobile. Message sent from my portable device. From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 22:19:03 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 22:19:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Board upgrade for K3 Message-ID: Whatever happened to distributing the K3S sound board and its various improvements for the K3. That's been rumored forever it seems. We have the various other improvements, synthesizers, new preamp, etc. But not the new sound board. Is that project still alive, will it actually happen? If so, a time frame, is anyone in the splendid engineering department actually working on it? Or have you guys gone all-hands on some huge new splendid offering we haven't heard about yet. ? ? ? ? Just wishing and wondering. 73, Guy, K2AV From n7ir at cox.net Thu Dec 22 22:30:57 2016 From: n7ir at cox.net (Gary Hembree) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 20:30:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Board upgrade for K3 Message-ID: Try this: http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#kio3bupkt 73 Gary, N7IR From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Thu Dec 22 22:31:04 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 19:31:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 remote over satellite internet? In-Reply-To: <103101d25c9b$94ef1b30$becd5190$@aol.com> References: <103101d25c9b$94ef1b30$becd5190$@aol.com> Message-ID: <3f5658eb-57e0-c338-50c0-d9e013ee60ef@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> The Clarke Belt is too far away, and the speed of light is inconveniently slow. On 12/22/2016 1:37 PM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: > Does anyone have any good new story's in running a k3 remoterig set-up over > a satellite internet system? Hughes Net, Exede or others > From n7xy at n7xy.net Thu Dec 22 22:34:45 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 19:34:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 remote over satellite internet? In-Reply-To: <103101d25c9b$94ef1b30$becd5190$@aol.com> References: <103101d25c9b$94ef1b30$becd5190$@aol.com> Message-ID: <6c54e770-be52-9d56-b767-36fc46b96250@n7xy.net> I doubt that you would be satisfied with the delays (QSK is definitely out!) 73, Bob N7XY On 12/22/16 1:37 PM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: > Does anyone have any good new story's in running a k3 remoterig set-up over > a satellite internet system? Hughes Net, Exede or others > > > > I'm interested to if this a possible solution to a AT&T DSL internet line > (better or worse?) > > > > Thanks for any input. > > > > 73 Bill W4RM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 22:41:36 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 22:41:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Board upgrade for K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wasn't referring to the USB sound, etc, found in the KIO3BUPKT. The K3S sound board has higher speaker power power and other refinements which enhance what you hear in the speaker and headphones. That is not listed on the page. 73, Guy. On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 10:30 PM, Gary Hembree wrote: > Try this: > http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#kio3bupkt > > 73 > Gary, N7IR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Dec 22 23:16:04 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 20:16:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 remote over satellite internet? In-Reply-To: <6c54e770-be52-9d56-b767-36fc46b96250@n7xy.net> References: <103101d25c9b$94ef1b30$becd5190$@aol.com> <6c54e770-be52-9d56-b767-36fc46b96250@n7xy.net> Message-ID: Actually, anyone considering remote operation Remoterig, QSK is totally out, not ever going to work. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 12/22/2016 7:34 PM, Bob Nielsen wrote: > I doubt that you would be satisfied with the delays (QSK is definitely > out!) > > 73, Bob N7XY > From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 01:22:31 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:22:31 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and CW (was: Re: K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved) In-Reply-To: <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> Message-ID: I didn't exactly do this, but I did investigate the effects of distortion on CW signals. I disconnected my P3 from the K3 and set the IF to 7 MHz. so it would act like a standalone spectrum analyzer. I was interested in whether a class-C amplifier I had built would sharpen the keying enough to create noticeable clicks. The amplifier used minimal fixed bias to allow a small amount of resting plate current in transmit mode, with full class-C operating bias provided by a grid resistor. I noted a broadening of the base of the signal on the P3, indicating that the signal was not as clean as the K3 alone. But listening with another receiver on either side of the S9+30 dB signal didn't reveal audible clicks. I also asked other operators to listen and there were no reports of clicks. I am sure that attempting to use that amplifier (a pair of 813s) on SSB would have gotten me ridden out of town on a rail! Vic 4X6GP > On 22 Dec 2016, at 23:10, K9MA wrote: > >> On 12/22/2016 11:40, Jim Brown wrote: >> IMD also affects CW. What we call CW is not "continuous wave," it is a continuous wave that is 100% modulated by a rectangular wave. That rectangular wave is rich in harmonics, and excites IMD. We hear it as clicks. > It would be interesting to see how much IMD it takes to significantly increase key clicks of a "clean" keyed CW signal, like that of the K3. I'd expect the effect to be small, compared to that on an SSB signal for the same level of IMD, but I could be wrong. I suppose a simple test would be to have a local friend with a P3 watch the signal as I turned down the supply voltage on my K3. Has anyone tried anything like that? > > 73, > > Scott K9MA > > > -- > Scott K9MA > > k9ma at sdellington.us > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 01:30:12 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:30:12 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Board upgrade for K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <320351ED-0AA8-4BA9-93BF-7DCEA0DBD849@gmail.com> I had heard that it only affected the speaker. But a friend that has both a K3 and a K3S says the audio is better on the S, and he is a former sound man. What's known about this? Vic 4X6GP > On 23 Dec 2016, at 05:41, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > I wasn't referring to the USB sound, etc, found in the KIO3BUPKT. > > The K3S sound board has higher speaker power power and other > refinements which enhance what you hear in the speaker and headphones. > That is not listed on the page. > > 73, Guy. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 23 01:58:41 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 01:58:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 discontinued?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5768b2a9-85df-ea32-9c26-f99bd74e4d46@embarqmail.com> Mike, The DSP-X board is no longer obtainable, so the kit had to be discontinued. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/22/2016 6:38 PM, Mike Weir wrote: > I have built 2 Elecraft K2's and very much miss the kit building thrill. I was considering purchasing another K2 to build and maybe sell, while I was on the order page I noticed KDSP2 has been discontinued?? Now maybe I was not paying close attention to the reflector but I can't remember a post about from anyone regarding the KSDP2 going by the wayside. I was just wondering why it has been discontinued? > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 23 02:02:55 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 02:02:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and SDR-IQ and CW Skimmer In-Reply-To: <1482439960418-7624884.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1482439960418-7624884.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Ignacy, I know nothing about the display capabilities of SDR-IQ, so the only thing I can say is that the actual input frequency of SDR-IQ must be the same as the IF frequency of the K3 - 8215kHz. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/22/2016 3:52 PM, Ignacy wrote: > I am trying to set up CW Skimmer with SDR-IQ and K3 so that SDR-IQ is > connected to IF OUT and follows K3's frequency. Is this doable? > > If not, it there any way of configuring SDR-IQ to follow band changes with > K3? From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri Dec 23 03:13:48 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 03:13:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and SDR-IQ and CW Skimmer Message-ID: <16myaxaxqfa9q4lyq0gij276.1482480511389@email.android.com> You can connect the sdrplay to the IF out of the K3 and use Win4k3suite ?or hdsdr to view the spectrum. ?The Sdrplay would need to be tuned to 8.215MHz in HDSDR or it is tuned automatically in Win4k3.the SDRPLAY will provide 2mhz bandwidth in its most useful configuration but you can go to 8mhz bandwidth.On the K3, you will see some interesting effects as the bandwidth is increased. Depending where you tune you can see signals all of a sudden disappear when you tune the radio when the bandpass filters take effect. None the less 1.8 mhz is good on the ham bands.73 Tom?va2fsq.com? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Don Wilhelm Date: 2016-12-23 2:02 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Ignacy , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and SDR-IQ and CW Skimmer Ignacy, I know nothing about the display capabilities of SDR-IQ, so the only thing I can say is that the actual input frequency of SDR-IQ must be the same as the IF frequency of the K3 - 8215kHz. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/22/2016 3:52 PM, Ignacy wrote: > I am trying to set up CW Skimmer with SDR-IQ and K3 so that SDR-IQ is > connected to IF OUT and follows K3's frequency. Is this doable? > > If not, it there any way of configuring SDR-IQ to follow band changes with > K3? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From jf.va2ss at icloud.com Fri Dec 23 07:54:48 2016 From: jf.va2ss at icloud.com (=?utf-8?Q?Jean-Fran=C3=A7ois_M=C3=A9nard?=) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 07:54:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 "USB DEVICE REMOVED" In-Reply-To: <4C4C6848-2C4F-4011-8100-F6A82B6033B3@icloud.com> References: <4C4C6848-2C4F-4011-8100-F6A82B6033B3@icloud.com> Message-ID: <128C6FCB-0874-46A3-97E4-939C19721FA0@icloud.com> I still do not get it. What could be different in the initialization process between ? to plug a USB keyboard when the P3 is already running ? and when the P3 start with a USB keyboard already plugged in ??? I?m very curious to see if another USB initialization state could be added or checked when a user manually enable the SVGA DATA window ON and OFF ??? I guess Wayne or someone involved in the P3 software development could answer this?. hopefully. Best regards. 73 de Jeff | VA2SS __________________________________________ Jeff | VA2SS Jean-Fran?ois M?nard jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com www.VA2SS.com Message envoy? ? partir de mon appareil mobile. Message sent from my portable device. > Le 22 d?c. 2016 ? 21:03, Jean-Fran?ois M?nard a ?crit : > > Hi, > > I?m using my USB keyboard with the P3+SVGAboard. The keyboard works great until I power off the P3 then back on. I always have a message on the external VGA display ? USB DEVICE REMOVED ? and the keyboard doest not work until I unplug the keyboard and plug it back again. > > When I turn on the P3, I always see the keyboard usual init flashing green led. When in the terminal mode, I cannot see the K until I unplug then plug again the keyboard. > > Any idea ??? > > Regards, > > 73 de Jeff | VA2SS > > __________________________________________ > Jeff | VA2SS > Jean-Fran?ois M?nard > > jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com > www.VA2SS.com > > Message envoy? ? partir de mon appareil mobile. > Message sent from my portable device. > From ve3wdm at hotmail.com Fri Dec 23 09:44:32 2016 From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (VE3WDM) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 07:44:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 discontinued?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1482504272062-7624909.post@n2.nabble.com> Ok thanks Don. Mike VE3WDM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KDSP2-discontinued-tp7624893p7624909.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From brendon at whateley.com Fri Dec 23 09:59:07 2016 From: brendon at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 06:59:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 "USB DEVICE REMOVED" In-Reply-To: <128C6FCB-0874-46A3-97E4-939C19721FA0@icloud.com> References: <4C4C6848-2C4F-4011-8100-F6A82B6033B3@icloud.com> <128C6FCB-0874-46A3-97E4-939C19721FA0@icloud.com> Message-ID: I'd try a different USB keyboard. It may be that your keyboard doesn't boot up fast enough or has some other timing issue with the P3 USB device enumeration procedure. USB isn't a simple serial connection. And a Keyboard is a computer. Welcome to the modern world. - Brendon On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 4:54 AM, Jean-Fran?ois M?nard wrote: > I still do not get it. > > What could be different in the initialization process between ? to plug a > USB keyboard when the P3 is already running ? and when the P3 start with a > USB keyboard already plugged in ??? > > I?m very curious to see if another USB initialization state could be added > or checked when a user manually enable the SVGA DATA window ON and OFF ??? > > I guess Wayne or someone involved in the P3 software development could > answer this?. hopefully. > > Best regards. > > 73 de Jeff | VA2SS > > > __________________________________________ > Jeff | VA2SS > Jean-Fran?ois M?nard > > jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com > www.VA2SS.com > > Message envoy? ? partir de mon appareil mobile. > Message sent from my portable device. > > > Le 22 d?c. 2016 ? 21:03, Jean-Fran?ois M?nard a > ?crit : > > > > Hi, > > > > I?m using my USB keyboard with the P3+SVGAboard. The keyboard works > great until I power off the P3 then back on. I always have a message on the > external VGA display ? USB DEVICE REMOVED ? and the keyboard doest not work > until I unplug the keyboard and plug it back again. > > > > When I turn on the P3, I always see the keyboard usual init flashing > green led. When in the terminal mode, I cannot see the K until I unplug > then plug again the keyboard. > > > > Any idea ??? > > > > Regards, > > > > 73 de Jeff | VA2SS > > > > __________________________________________ > > Jeff | VA2SS > > Jean-Fran?ois M?nard > > > > jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com > > www.VA2SS.com > > > > Message envoy? ? partir de mon appareil mobile. > > Message sent from my portable device. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brendon at whateley.com > From kevin at ve3syb.ca Fri Dec 23 12:06:48 2016 From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 12:06:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 discontinued?? In-Reply-To: <006801d25caf$f9a814a0$ecf83de0$@biz> References: <006801d25caf$f9a814a0$ecf83de0$@biz> Message-ID: On 16-12-22 07:03 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > It was mentioned here. IIRC Lyle (the engineer) said that certain parts had > become "unobtainum". When I saw the announcement I wondered about the possibility of new version of the KDSP2 that was based on an FPGA such as a Spartan 6 (for example). I'm not sure how it would affect the price but it would make the board a little less prone to parts decaying in to the state of unobtanium. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Dec 23 12:18:19 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 09:18:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 discontinued?? In-Reply-To: References: <006801d25caf$f9a814a0$ecf83de0$@biz> Message-ID: Such things are probably doable, Kevin. But the market size issue is likely a major factor mitigating against such a development by Elecraft. If I were to build a second K2 after all these years, I'd sure want the KDSP2 in it; but that's not something I'm likely to do. My (partly) 17 year old K2 #380 is still working quite nicely and fully upgraded with all Elecraft updates -- and some 3rd party ones, too :-) Phil W7OX On 12/23/16 9:06 AM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > On 16-12-22 07:03 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> It was mentioned here. IIRC Lyle (the engineer) >> said that certain parts had >> become "unobtainum". > > When I saw the announcement I wondered about the > possibility of new version of the KDSP2 that was > based on an FPGA such as a Spartan 6 (for example). > > I'm not sure how it would affect the price but > it would make the board a little less prone to > parts decaying in to the state of unobtanium. > From n1al at sonic.net Fri Dec 23 13:11:58 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 10:11:58 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and CW In-Reply-To: References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> Message-ID: For a CW signal, the nonlinearity of a typical power amplifier should have the effect of shortening the rise and fall times. That does indeed widen the transmitted bandwidth. But intuitively, it seems like the distortion would have to be really bad to shorten the rise/fall times by much. You could always compensate for it by adjusting the K3 for softer key shaping. Alan N1AL On 12/22/2016 10:22 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > I didn't exactly do this, but I did investigate the effects of distortion on CW signals. I disconnected my P3 from the K3 and set the IF to 7 MHz. so it would act like a standalone spectrum analyzer. > I was interested in whether a class-C amplifier I had built would sharpen the keying enough to create noticeable clicks. The amplifier used minimal fixed bias to allow a small amount of resting plate current in transmit mode, with full class-C operating bias provided by a grid resistor. > I noted a broadening of the base of the signal on the P3, indicating that the signal was not as clean as the K3 alone. But listening with another receiver on either side of the S9+30 dB signal didn't reveal audible clicks. I also asked other operators to listen and there were no reports of clicks. > I am sure that attempting to use that amplifier (a pair of 813s) on SSB would have gotten me ridden out of town on a rail! > > Vic 4X6GP > >> On 22 Dec 2016, at 23:10, K9MA wrote: >> >>> On 12/22/2016 11:40, Jim Brown wrote: >>> IMD also affects CW. What we call CW is not "continuous wave," it is a continuous wave that is 100% modulated by a rectangular wave. That rectangular wave is rich in harmonics, and excites IMD. We hear it as clicks. >> It would be interesting to see how much IMD it takes to significantly increase key clicks of a "clean" keyed CW signal, like that of the K3. I'd expect the effect to be small, compared to that on an SSB signal for the same level of IMD, but I could be wrong. I suppose a simple test would be to have a local friend with a P3 watch the signal as I turned down the supply voltage on my K3. Has anyone tried anything like that? >> >> 73, >> >> Scott K9MA >> >> >> -- >> Scott K9MA >> >> k9ma at sdellington.us >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > From paule408 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 23 13:27:56 2016 From: paule408 at yahoo.com (paule408 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility Question? References: <1819107100.1015793.1482517676585.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1819107100.1015793.1482517676585@mail.yahoo.com> I've managed to get my KAT500 working again. I am trying to set up the following from within the KAT500 utility: Antenna 1 for bands 6-40 meters (Steppir DB36) Antenna 2 for bands 8-/160 (Dipole antenna) Antenna 3 is not used. Can someone guide me to how this can be established from the utility? Thanks in advance, Paul N6PSEpaul at n6pse.com From ve3wdm at hotmail.com Fri Dec 23 14:17:37 2016 From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (Mike Weir) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 19:17:37 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] CW macro for K-pod Message-ID: Good afternoon all, here is what I want to do.............I have the K-pod and I wanted to set up some of the F buttons to send CW contest replies such as: My call TU Contest exchange and if possible an increasing serial exchange Just not sure how to set all this up? Thanks in advance Mike VE3WDM From dick at elecraft.com Fri Dec 23 14:24:06 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 11:24:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility Question? In-Reply-To: <1819107100.1015793.1482517676585@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1819107100.1015793.1482517676585.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1819107100.1015793.1482517676585@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003601d25d52$20fc41f0$62f4c5d0$@elecraft.com> Hi, Paul! It's on the Configuration tab of the KAT500 Utility. Choose "Edit Configuration", "Antennas". You want different antenna choices for individual bands, so choose each band in turn, and check the appropriate "Enabled" check boxes. The "preferred" antenna is the one you want selected when you change to that band from another. For example, you might want your dipole enabled on 40-10, but not often use it. You could enable the dipole (ant2 for you) on some of the HF bands, but choose "ANT1" as the preferred antenna for 40-6. Then you could listen on the dipole with a switch press, but if you switch away from that band and return, you'd start out with the DB36 each time. This is described in KAT500 Utility Help, Choose "configuration" or "antenna enable" from the Index. 73 de Dick, K6KR It's snowing here!!! Just in time for Christmas. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of paule408--- via Elecraft Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 10:28 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility Question? I've managed to get my KAT500 working again. I am trying to set up the following from within the KAT500 utility: Antenna 1 for bands 6-40 meters (Steppir DB36) Antenna 2 for bands 8-/160 (Dipole antenna) Antenna 3 is not used. Can someone guide me to how this can be established from the utility? Thanks in advance, Paul N6PSEpaul at n6pse.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Dec 23 16:29:33 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:29:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Board upgrade for K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <019430C0-1966-4042-BDEE-0726E0BFEECE@widomaker.com> Not sure what you call a "sound board" but if you mean the USB audio and serial interface mod (KIO3a) it's been available for some time. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 22, 2016, at 10:19 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > Whatever happened to distributing the K3S sound board and its various > improvements for the K3. That's been rumored forever it seems. We have the > various other improvements, synthesizers, new preamp, etc. But not the new > sound board. > > Is that project still alive, will it actually happen? If so, a time frame, > is anyone in the splendid engineering department actually working on it? > > Or have you guys gone all-hands on some huge new splendid offering we > haven't heard about yet. ? ? ? ? > > Just wishing and wondering. > > 73, Guy, K2AV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Dec 23 16:30:03 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:30:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Board upgrade for K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok. KIO3B. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 22, 2016, at 10:30 PM, Gary Hembree wrote: > > Try this: > http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#kio3bupkt > > 73 > Gary, N7IR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From k9ma at sdellington.us Fri Dec 23 16:30:25 2016 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:30:25 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and CW In-Reply-To: References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> Message-ID: <228b0729-d9d6-1456-9d64-bc8718177ea2@sdellington.us> On 12/23/2016 12:11, Alan Bloom wrote: > For a CW signal, the nonlinearity of a typical power amplifier should > have the effect of shortening the rise and fall times. That does > indeed widen the transmitted bandwidth. But intuitively, it seems > like the distortion would have to be really bad to shorten the > rise/fall times by much. You could always compensate for it by > adjusting the K3 for softer key shaping. > > Alan N1AL I think it's a little more complicated than that: The K3 shapes the CW waveform very carefully, to minimize bandwidth. (I think it's equivalent to passing the signal through a narrow bandpass filter.) Obviously, any distortion downstream is going to compromise that careful shaping. However, based on my intuition and Vic's results, I suspect it would take a truly terrible amount of distortion to significantly increase the CW bandwidth. Given that the K3 is so much cleaner than many other popular radios, I doubt we need to worry. 73, Scott K9MA -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From fcady at montana.edu Fri Dec 23 16:31:05 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:31:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] CW macro for K-pod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mike, You can use the KY command to do that. Use the K3 Utility to program separate macros with: KY VE3WDM; KY 599 CA; KY TU; Write them to the K3. Then use the KPod buttons to send. You can't send an increasing number for a report although if you have a P3 with SVGA you could. 73, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com (Macro programming book coming) ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Mike Weir Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:17 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] CW macro for K-pod Good afternoon all, here is what I want to do.............I have the K-pod and I wanted to set up some of the F buttons to send CW contest replies such as: My call TU Contest exchange and if possible an increasing serial exchange Just not sure how to set all this up? Thanks in advance Mike VE3WDM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Dec 23 16:53:11 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 13:53:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and CW In-Reply-To: References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> Message-ID: <5d7b9fae-9ea8-373c-6f06-7301c6af4d91@foothill.net> Not CW, and this probably won't work in 4X-land, but if you want to see the difference a Class-C amp makes, set your P3 span to about 6 KHz, and tune in WWV on its various frequencies. During the tone-on minutes, the 2.5 and 20 MHz signals will look as you expect an AM signal with a tone modulating it ... two sidebands on either side of the carrier. If you look very close, you can see the 100 Hz sub-carrier, and if you narrow things down enough, you can see the sidebands generated around it by the IRIG-H time code. These two transmitters are low level modulated with linear amplification. The 5, 10, and 15 MHz transmitters are plate-modulated Class-C and look markedly different. The two sidebands are there, but so are their 2nd and 3rd harmonics [sometimes when WWV is really strong, I can make out the 4th harmonic]. The 100 Hz sub-carrier and the IRIG-H sidebands are there as you would expect, but they also surround the audio sidebands and harmonics. WWV builds one baseband with all the tones, ticks, burps, codes, and voice and it modulates all 5 transmitters. The difference between the TX is really striking and a bit disappointing. I've always assumed WWV was the "gold-standard." Fred K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County --Northern California Contest Club --CU in the Cal QSO Party --7-8 Oct 2017 On 12/22/2016 10:22 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > I didn't exactly do this, but I did investigate the effects of distortion on CW signals. I disconnected my P3 from the K3 and set the IF to 7 MHz. so it would act like a standalone spectrum analyzer. > I was interested in whether a class-C amplifier I had built would sharpen the keying enough to create noticeable clicks. The amplifier used minimal fixed bias to allow a small amount of resting plate current in transmit mode, with full class-C operating bias provided by a grid resistor. > I noted a broadening of the base of the signal on the P3, indicating that the signal was not as clean as the K3 alone. But listening with another receiver on either side of the S9+30 dB signal didn't reveal audible clicks. I also asked other operators to listen and there were no reports of clicks. > I am sure that attempting to use that amplifier (a pair of 813s) on SSB would have gotten me ridden out of town on a rail! > > Vic 4X6GP > From dave at nk7z.net Fri Dec 23 17:02:14 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:02:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Hunting... Message-ID: Hi, I am sure I saw a few things a while ago on the K3 power hunting when running JT65... Does anyone know what the dates were for those posts? I can search the archive... My K3 hunts power levels when running WSJT-X, and I have the fifth bar in the AGC just flashing... It still hunts... Any ideas are welcome. -- 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Fri Dec 23 17:13:16 2016 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:13:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and WSJT-X 1.7 Message-ID: <1482531196222-7624923.post@n2.nabble.com> On the wsjtgroup at Yahoo, there are now two of us who have a problem with the newly released version of the WSJT-X program and the audio output level/VOX for the K3. KY7M describes it as follows: "I have been transmitting perfectly in WSJT-X 1.6. As soon as I install 1.7, my transmit light goes on, but no audio goes out unless I turn off VOX and turn it on again. " I have the same symptom and I could sort of resolve it by changing the audio output level up and down on the WSJT-X program (Pwr slider). But in the end it was so annoying that I reverted back to the old version, 1.6. Does anyone understand what is going on? ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-WSJT-X-1-7-tp7624923.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richarddw1945 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 23 17:18:53 2016 From: richarddw1945 at yahoo.com (RIchard Williams) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 22:18:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Board upgrade for K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1556434373.1236970.1482531533095@mail.yahoo.com> I think guy is referencing a "mod" that was first announced on the "blurb" sheet Elecraft published on the differences and what would be available at a later date to "update" the K3 to be similar to the new K3S. ? Theoretically, at some future date there was/might be/possibly/maybe not, an upgrade to the audio section of the K3. ?To date, I have not seen any announcement of such an upgrade available. ?Quite possibly it moved from the "was" to the "maybe not" category. ? ?Maybe Wayne can chime in with some up to date information; ?to the best of my knowledge, this is the only future update mentioned in the blurb that has not become available. Dick, K8ZTT From: Nr4c To: Gary Hembree Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Board upgrade for K3 Ok. KIO3B. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 22, 2016, at 10:30 PM, Gary Hembree wrote: > > Try this: > http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#kio3bupkt > > 73 > Gary, N7IR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to richarddw1945 at yahoo.com From k9ma at sdellington.us Fri Dec 23 17:39:21 2016 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:39:21 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and CW In-Reply-To: <5d7b9fae-9ea8-373c-6f06-7301c6af4d91@foothill.net> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> <5d7b9fae-9ea8-373c-6f06-7301c6af4d91@foothill.net> Message-ID: <32679542-b2b9-2461-40e8-1becc99c1cde@sdellington.us> Very interesting, Fred. It makes sense, though, that plate modulated class-C amplifiers aren't terribly linear. On the other hand, that kind of distortion probably doesn't affect WWV's mission. I wonder if the AM broadcast industry achieves lower distortion. Feedback comes to mind. 73, Scott K9MA On 12/23/2016 15:53, Fred Jensen wrote: > Not CW, and this probably won't work in 4X-land, but if you want to > see the difference a Class-C amp makes, set your P3 span to about 6 > KHz, and tune in WWV on its various frequencies. During the tone-on > minutes, the 2.5 and 20 MHz signals will look as you expect an AM > signal with a tone modulating it ... two sidebands on either side of > the carrier. If you look very close, you can see the 100 Hz > sub-carrier, and if you narrow things down enough, you can see the > sidebands generated around it by the IRIG-H time code. These two > transmitters are low level modulated with linear amplification. > > The 5, 10, and 15 MHz transmitters are plate-modulated Class-C and > look markedly different. The two sidebands are there, but so are > their 2nd and 3rd harmonics [sometimes when WWV is really strong, I > can make out the 4th harmonic]. The 100 Hz sub-carrier and the IRIG-H > sidebands are there as you would expect, but they also surround the > audio sidebands and harmonics. > > WWV builds one baseband with all the tones, ticks, burps, codes, and > voice and it modulates all 5 transmitters. The difference between the > TX is really striking and a bit disappointing. I've always assumed > WWV was the "gold-standard." > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > --Northern California Contest Club > --CU in the Cal QSO Party > --7-8 Oct 2017 > > On 12/22/2016 10:22 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: >> I didn't exactly do this, but I did investigate the effects of >> distortion on CW signals. I disconnected my P3 from the K3 and set >> the IF to 7 MHz. so it would act like a standalone spectrum analyzer. >> I was interested in whether a class-C amplifier I had built would >> sharpen the keying enough to create noticeable clicks. The amplifier >> used minimal fixed bias to allow a small amount of resting plate >> current in transmit mode, with full class-C operating bias provided >> by a grid resistor. >> I noted a broadening of the base of the signal on the P3, indicating >> that the signal was not as clean as the K3 alone. But listening with >> another receiver on either side of the S9+30 dB signal didn't reveal >> audible clicks. I also asked other operators to listen and there were >> no reports of clicks. >> I am sure that attempting to use that amplifier (a pair of 813s) on >> SSB would have gotten me ridden out of town on a rail! >> >> Vic 4X6GP >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9ma at sdellington.us -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From matt at nq6n.com Fri Dec 23 17:40:49 2016 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 22:40:49 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Board upgrade for K3 In-Reply-To: <1556434373.1236970.1482531533095@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1556434373.1236970.1482531533095@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dick is correct. I'd also like to see this update available. 73, Matt NQ6N On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 4:19 PM RIchard Williams via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > > > > I think guy is referencing a "mod" that was first announced on the "blurb" > sheet Elecraft published on the differences and what would be available at > a later date to "update" the K3 to be similar to the new K3S. > Theoretically, at some future date there was/might be/possibly/maybe not, > an upgrade to the audio section of the K3. To date, I have not seen any > announcement of such an upgrade available. Quite possibly it moved from > the "was" to the "maybe not" category. Maybe Wayne can chime in with > some up to date information; to the best of my knowledge, this is the only > future update mentioned in the blurb that has not become available. > > Dick, K8ZTT > > > > From: Nr4c > > To: Gary Hembree > > Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Board upgrade for K3 > > > > Ok. KIO3B. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ...nr4c. bill > > > > > > > On Dec 22, 2016, at 10:30 PM, Gary Hembree wrote: > > > > > > Try this: > > > http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#kio3bupkt > > > > > > 73 > > > Gary, N7IR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to richarddw1945 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com From lists at subich.com Fri Dec 23 17:45:31 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 17:45:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and WSJT-X 1.7 In-Reply-To: <1482531196222-7624923.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1482531196222-7624923.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <06a6d2d7-0a6b-25e8-d12d-d9d214a67ed8@subich.com> Is this when transmitting? If so, try setting Mode = "None" and Split Operation = "None" in the WSJT-X File -> Settings -> Radio tab. You may want to contact Elecraft Support to see if you can get access to the field test firmware (5.56). WSJT-X can (and often does) send the split or data sub-mode commands to the K3 *AFTER* PTT has been activated. Receiving a Split or data sub-mode command while in transmit will cause the K3/K3S/KX2/KX3 to mute transmitted audio. The K3/K3S/KX2/KX3 all ignore the front panel split and mode buttons while in transmit, one would assume that software developers would do the same thing and not use commands that are forbidden from the front panel while in transmit. Unfortunately, the developers of WSJT-X chose to ignore that simple fact (in spite of being warned on many occasions of the potential for improper operation). Wayne has modified the firmware to mask the problematic commands (FA, DT, FT, and FR,) beginning with firmware version 5.56 for the K3/K3S. However that version has not been released for public beta according to the web page. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/23/2016 5:13 PM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote: > On the wsjtgroup at Yahoo, there are now two of us who have a problem with > the newly released version of the WSJT-X program and the audio output > level/VOX for the K3. > > KY7M describes it as follows: "I have been transmitting perfectly in WSJT-X > 1.6. As soon as I install 1.7, my transmit light goes on, but no audio goes > out unless I turn off VOX and turn it on again. " > > I have the same symptom and I could sort of resolve it by changing the audio > output level up and down on the WSJT-X program (Pwr slider). But in the end > it was so annoying that I reverted back to the old version, 1.6. > > Does anyone understand what is going on? > > > > > ----- > Sverre, LA3ZA > > K2 #2198, K3 #3391, > LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, > LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-WSJT-X-1-7-tp7624923.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From huntinhmb at coastside.net Fri Dec 23 17:50:13 2016 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 14:50:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Board upgrade for K3 In-Reply-To: <320351ED-0AA8-4BA9-93BF-7DCEA0DBD849@gmail.com> References: <320351ED-0AA8-4BA9-93BF-7DCEA0DBD849@gmail.com> Message-ID: The original K3S FAQ listed an upgrade K3S DSP board that could be used in the K3. Upgrade is to the audio preamp and output stage. FAQ indicated it would be available "later this year". It doesn't appear on the order page so unknown if plans have changed or its just delayed. 73, Brian, K0DTJ From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 17:55:52 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary Gregory) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 08:55:52 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Board upgrade for K3 In-Reply-To: References: <320351ED-0AA8-4BA9-93BF-7DCEA0DBD849@gmail.com> Message-ID: Enquiring minds need to know? Well maybe not all, but I do....:-) Gary On Dec 24, 2016 8:51 AM, "Brian Hunt" wrote: > The original K3S FAQ listed an upgrade K3S DSP board that could be used in > the K3. Upgrade is to the audio preamp and output stage. FAQ indicated it > would be available "later this year". It doesn't appear on the order page > so unknown if plans have changed or its just delayed. > > 73, > Brian, K0DTJ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Dec 23 18:04:53 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:04:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and CW In-Reply-To: <32679542-b2b9-2461-40e8-1becc99c1cde@sdellington.us> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> <5d7b9fae-9ea8-373c-6f06-7301c6af4d91@foothill.net> <32679542-b2b9-2461-40e8-1becc99c1cde@sdellington.us> Message-ID: Google "ampliphase" ... OKA: "The Transmitter all broadcast engineers hate." All linear phase modulation until AM magically squirts out the top. Factoid: When WWV was brand new, it transmitted farm reports for the Agriculture Department ... using Morse code. I'm guessing the number of farmers fluent in Morse might have been two ... three tops. I remember WWV using Morse, but by then it was Eastern Standard Time, not farm reports. Fred K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County --Northern California Contest Club --CU in the Cal QSO Party --7-8 Oct 2017On 12/23/2016 2:39 PM, K9MA wrote: > Very interesting, Fred. It makes sense, though, that plate modulated > class-C amplifiers aren't terribly linear. On the other hand, that > kind of distortion probably doesn't affect WWV's mission. > > I wonder if the AM broadcast industry achieves lower distortion. > Feedback comes to mind. > > 73, > > Scott K9MA From ron at cobi.biz Fri Dec 23 18:46:32 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 15:46:32 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and CW In-Reply-To: <32679542-b2b9-2461-40e8-1becc99c1cde@sdellington.us> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> <5d7b9fae-9ea8-373c-6f06-7301c6af4d91@foothill.net> <32679542-b2b9-2461-40e8-1becc99c1cde@sdellington.us> Message-ID: <001f01d25d76$cab24310$6016c930$@biz> The fact that the RF amplifier is running Class C should not be an issue if it is plate-modulated. Plate modulation is the "gold standard" because only the RF carrier is being amplified in the Class C stage. Beyond that its non-linearity is employed to mix the modulating signals with the RF carrier. While the process is extremely linear, it takes a lot of audio level power - at least 1/2 of the RF carrier power. Fred's observation makes me think WWV may be using some sort of "compromise" system such as grid modulation rather than plate modulation. Much lower audio (baseband) power required, but it is not as linear either. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K9MA Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:39 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW Very interesting, Fred. It makes sense, though, that plate modulated class-C amplifiers aren't terribly linear. On the other hand, that kind of distortion probably doesn't affect WWV's mission. I wonder if the AM broadcast industry achieves lower distortion. Feedback comes to mind. 73, Scott K9MA On 12/23/2016 15:53, Fred Jensen wrote: > Not CW, and this probably won't work in 4X-land, but if you want to > see the difference a Class-C amp makes, set your P3 span to about 6 > KHz, and tune in WWV on its various frequencies. During the tone-on > minutes, the 2.5 and 20 MHz signals will look as you expect an AM > signal with a tone modulating it ... two sidebands on either side of > the carrier. If you look very close, you can see the 100 Hz > sub-carrier, and if you narrow things down enough, you can see the > sidebands generated around it by the IRIG-H time code. These two > transmitters are low level modulated with linear amplification. > > The 5, 10, and 15 MHz transmitters are plate-modulated Class-C and > look markedly different. The two sidebands are there, but so are > their 2nd and 3rd harmonics [sometimes when WWV is really strong, I > can make out the 4th harmonic]. The 100 Hz sub-carrier and the IRIG-H > sidebands are there as you would expect, but they also surround the > audio sidebands and harmonics. > > WWV builds one baseband with all the tones, ticks, burps, codes, and > voice and it modulates all 5 transmitters. The difference between the > TX is really striking and a bit disappointing. I've always assumed > WWV was the "gold-standard." > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > --Northern California Contest Club > --CU in the Cal QSO Party > --7-8 Oct 2017 > > On 12/22/2016 10:22 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: >> I didn't exactly do this, but I did investigate the effects of >> distortion on CW signals. I disconnected my P3 from the K3 and set >> the IF to 7 MHz. so it would act like a standalone spectrum analyzer. >> I was interested in whether a class-C amplifier I had built would >> sharpen the keying enough to create noticeable clicks. The amplifier >> used minimal fixed bias to allow a small amount of resting plate >> current in transmit mode, with full class-C operating bias provided >> by a grid resistor. >> I noted a broadening of the base of the signal on the P3, indicating >> that the signal was not as clean as the K3 alone. But listening with >> another receiver on either side of the S9+30 dB signal didn't reveal >> audible clicks. I also asked other operators to listen and there were >> no reports of clicks. >> I am sure that attempting to use that amplifier (a pair of 813s) on >> SSB would have gotten me ridden out of town on a rail! >> >> Vic 4X6GP >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > k9ma at sdellington.us -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From n1al at sonic.net Fri Dec 23 19:30:03 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:30:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and CW In-Reply-To: <228b0729-d9d6-1456-9d64-bc8718177ea2@sdellington.us> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> <228b0729-d9d6-1456-9d64-bc8718177ea2@sdellington.us> Message-ID: I believe the K3/K3S use a raised sinusoid key shaping. It is a good compromise to reduce the bandwidth without excessive ringing/backwave. In the bad old days, CW key shaping was typically a simple R-C filter on the key line. That resulted in an exponential rise and fall, which resulted in more key clicks for a given rise/fall time than a raised sinusoid. Alan N1AL On 12/23/2016 01:30 PM, K9MA wrote: > On 12/23/2016 12:11, Alan Bloom wrote: >> For a CW signal, the nonlinearity of a typical power amplifier should >> have the effect of shortening the rise and fall times. That does >> indeed widen the transmitted bandwidth. But intuitively, it seems >> like the distortion would have to be really bad to shorten the >> rise/fall times by much. You could always compensate for it by >> adjusting the K3 for softer key shaping. >> >> Alan N1AL > I think it's a little more complicated than that: The K3 shapes the CW > waveform very carefully, to minimize bandwidth. (I think it's > equivalent to passing the signal through a narrow bandpass filter.) > Obviously, any distortion downstream is going to compromise that careful > shaping. However, based on my intuition and Vic's results, I suspect it > would take a truly terrible amount of distortion to significantly > increase the CW bandwidth. Given that the K3 is so much cleaner than > many other popular radios, I doubt we need to worry. > > 73, > > Scott K9MA > From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Dec 23 19:38:05 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:38:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and CW In-Reply-To: <001f01d25d76$cab24310$6016c930$@biz> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> <5d7b9fae-9ea8-373c-6f06-7301c6af4d91@foothill.net> <32679542-b2b9-2461-40e8-1becc99c1cde@sdellington.us> <001f01d25d76$cab24310$6016c930$@biz> Message-ID: <82b81776-bd21-6973-0b83-e75ea7719a3b@foothill.net> This has drifted fairly far from the original. Thus encouraged ... I wondered about that and being retired I pursued it, ultimately with the tech folks [well, one folk] at WWV who repeatedly assured me that they were on-frequency and that their time information was correct which of course was never the issue. Somewhere in all the words I read about the station, I did find a reference to plate modulated Class-C transmitters but I have lost it's QTH on this disk drive. Most plate modulators ran Class-B or -AB, and were subject to cross-over non-linearities. The 5, 10, and 15 MHz signals look very much the same on the spectrum display which [weakly] suggests the unexpected distortion products may arise somewhere in the baseband chain. The 2.5 and 20 MHz transmitters, being low-level modulated, may tap that chain before the distortion is introduced. ARC-5's, when cathode-keyed, were notorious for key clicks, almost as bad as the Yeasu rigs of recent eras. [:-) Of course, for my K3, the "carrier-balance" and "opposite sideband suppression" is perfect. I think, but don't know, that the K3 shapes the CW with a raised-cosine filter. With strong signals, it *is* possible to identify a K3 by its CW spectrum, particularly in the WF. Fred K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County --Northern California Contest Club --CU in the Cal QSO Party --7-8 Oct 2017 On 12/23/2016 3:46 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > The fact that the RF amplifier is running Class C should not be an issue if > it is plate-modulated. Plate modulation is the "gold standard" because only > the RF carrier is being amplified in the Class C stage. Beyond that its > non-linearity is employed to mix the modulating signals with the RF carrier. > While the process is extremely linear, it takes a lot of audio level power - > at least 1/2 of the RF carrier power. > > Fred's observation makes me think WWV may be using some sort of "compromise" > system such as grid modulation rather than plate modulation. Much lower > audio (baseband) power required, but it is not as linear either. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > From ron at cobi.biz Fri Dec 23 21:49:36 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:49:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and CW In-Reply-To: <82b81776-bd21-6973-0b83-e75ea7719a3b@foothill.net> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> <5d7b9fae-9ea8-373c-6f06-7301c6af4d91@foothill.net> <32679542-b2b9-2461-40e8-1becc99c1cde@sdellington.us> <001f01d25d76$cab24310$6016c930$@biz> <82b81776-bd21-6973-0b83-e75ea7719a3b@foothill.net> Message-ID: <000f01d25d90$5d5b6430$18122c90$@biz> Not in my experience as a broadcast engineer in the 1950's. Class C amplifiers, plate modulated, were the standard low distortion transmitters for decades, just as they were used in the best A.M. Ham rigs like the Johnson Kilowatt. But, as the big commercial stations came on the air running 50 kw the scramble was on to find an alternative to having an audio amplifier that could produce a full 25 kw of clean audio to modulate them, requiring a modulation transformer the size of one of the huge transformers at the local power mains distribution center. That is when, IMX, all sorts of alternative schemes for modulation, all of which were less "clean" (although still very good when handled correctly) came into use. Stations chose more complex and careful adjustment during operation than investment in hardware and facilities. But, after all, in the US the station had to have a broadcast engineer monitoring the transmitter at all times, logging critical readings every half hour. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 4:38 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW This has drifted fairly far from the original. Thus encouraged ... I wondered about that and being retired I pursued it, ultimately with the tech folks [well, one folk] at WWV who repeatedly assured me that they were on-frequency and that their time information was correct which of course was never the issue. Somewhere in all the words I read about the station, I did find a reference to plate modulated Class-C transmitters but I have lost it's QTH on this disk drive. Most plate modulators ran Class-B or -AB, and were subject to cross-over non-linearities. The 5, 10, and 15 MHz signals look very much the same on the spectrum display which [weakly] suggests the unexpected distortion products may arise somewhere in the baseband chain. The 2.5 and 20 MHz transmitters, being low-level modulated, may tap that chain before the distortion is introduced. ARC-5's, when cathode-keyed, were notorious for key clicks, almost as bad as the Yeasu rigs of recent eras. [:-) Of course, for my K3, the "carrier-balance" and "opposite sideband suppression" is perfect. I think, but don't know, that the K3 shapes the CW with a raised-cosine filter. With strong signals, it *is* possible to identify a K3 by its CW spectrum, particularly in the WF. Fred K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Dec 23 21:52:01 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:52:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Hunting... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <285A6F20-65EE-4BEB-A9ED-F0EA433D4083@widomaker.com> AGC just flashing? Do you mean ALC? Look at voltage while transmitting. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 23, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > > Hi, > I am sure I saw a few things a while ago on the K3 power hunting when running JT65... Does anyone know what the dates were for those posts? I can search the archive... > > My K3 hunts power levels when running WSJT-X, and I have the fifth bar in the AGC just flashing... It still hunts... Any ideas are welcome. > -- > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Fri Dec 23 23:26:29 2016 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:26:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and WSJT-X 1.7 In-Reply-To: <06a6d2d7-0a6b-25e8-d12d-d9d214a67ed8@subich.com> References: <1482531196222-7624923.post@n2.nabble.com> <06a6d2d7-0a6b-25e8-d12d-d9d214a67ed8@subich.com> Message-ID: <1482553589845-7624934.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Joe Thanks for the explanation. It sounds like this is it as it explains why the K3's VOX has to be reengaged in order to continue transmitting. ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-WSJT-X-1-7-tp7624923p7624934.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Dec 23 23:46:30 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 04:46:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 / DSP Message-ID: <2F2A83BE-6FF5-4CDC-84AA-F28DABD442DD@law.du.edu> I have never had a K2 with a KDSP2 so I can?t make an informed comparison; but I can say that, having one in both of my K2s, the KAF2 makes the K2?s performance truly outstanding. As I understand it, having both was never possible ? it was one or the other. Maybe someone can offer a comparison . . . Ted, KN1CBR From sm2ekm at bdtv.se Sat Dec 24 00:22:24 2016 From: sm2ekm at bdtv.se (Jan Erik Holm) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 06:22:24 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and CW In-Reply-To: References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> Message-ID: <9a273e2f-7f7a-f96f-974e-96e09d3bd651@bdtv.se> On 2016-12-23 19:11, Alan Bloom wrote: > > You could always compensate for it by adjusting the K3 for softer > key shaping. > > Alan N1AL > How do you do that ? / 73 Jim From n1al at sonic.net Sat Dec 24 00:23:41 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 21:23:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and CW In-Reply-To: <9a273e2f-7f7a-f96f-974e-96e09d3bd651@bdtv.se> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> <9a273e2f-7f7a-f96f-974e-96e09d3bd651@bdtv.se> Message-ID: <1ab2b3f6-430a-fe52-2abe-c6467b34de11@sonic.net> Apparently you can't. I must have been thinking of the weight adjustment. Alan N1AL On 12/23/2016 09:22 PM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: > On 2016-12-23 19:11, Alan Bloom wrote: >> >> You could always compensate for it by adjusting the K3 for softer >> key shaping. >> >> Alan N1AL >> > How do you do that ? > > / 73 Jim From sm2ekm at bdtv.se Sat Dec 24 00:29:10 2016 From: sm2ekm at bdtv.se (Jan Erik Holm) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 06:29:10 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and CW In-Reply-To: <1ab2b3f6-430a-fe52-2abe-c6467b34de11@sonic.net> References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> <9a273e2f-7f7a-f96f-974e-96e09d3bd651@bdtv.se> <1ab2b3f6-430a-fe52-2abe-c6467b34de11@sonic.net> Message-ID: <794432e9-de8f-0ff2-2e17-35e4bc9edb0a@bdtv.se> Yes was thinking it was something new. Thank?s Alan 73 merry xmas / Jim SM2EKM ---------------------------------------- On 2016-12-24 06:23, Alan Bloom wrote: > Apparently you can't. I must have been thinking of the weight adjustment. > > Alan N1AL > > > On 12/23/2016 09:22 PM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: >> On 2016-12-23 19:11, Alan Bloom wrote: >>> >>> You could always compensate for it by adjusting the K3 for softer >>> key shaping. >>> >>> Alan N1AL >>> >> How do you do that ? >> >> / 73 Jim > From maxrcul at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 00:36:38 2016 From: maxrcul at gmail.com (Bill DeVore) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 00:36:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - fldigi - Macintosh Message-ID: <773753AF-C5F7-4113-AB2F-02F81E3801CE@gmail.com> Can anyone point me to a good Mac specific resource explaining how to set up fldigi to run on a Macintosh so it works with my K3S. The software's multitude of different menus has me stumped with an ever increasing frustration level. I've had many enjoyable SSB and CW QSOs so I know the antenna, feed line and equipment is working. Bill - W3PNM Sent from my iPad From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 00:48:59 2016 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 22:48:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Rose wishes all ... Message-ID: a Merry Christmas and I hope you enjoy your Holiday season. I've was extremely blessed earlier this year when the oncologist reading my last CT scan gave me a literal thumbs up when he was finished. A few more months and I should be declared "cancer free". December 30th will be Ken and my 60th wedding anniversary. My aren't we fortunate? Most importantly ... enjoy and treasure your family and friends. 73! Rose (N7HKW) and Ken (K0PP) ElecraftCovers at gmail.com From dave at nk7z.net Sat Dec 24 01:13:05 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 22:13:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Power Hunting... In-Reply-To: <285A6F20-65EE-4BEB-A9ED-F0EA433D4083@widomaker.com> References: <285A6F20-65EE-4BEB-A9ED-F0EA433D4083@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <11ae651f-20c2-b9dd-ec07-285c45978544@nk7z.net> Hi, I did mean ALC, and the voltage is not moving at all. Sits at 14.1. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 12/23/2016 06:52 PM, Nr4c wrote: > AGC just flashing? Do you mean ALC? > > Look at voltage while transmitting. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Dec 23, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Dave Cole wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I am sure I saw a few things a while ago on the K3 power hunting when running JT65... Does anyone know what the dates were for those posts? I can search the archive... >> >> My K3 hunts power levels when running WSJT-X, and I have the fifth bar in the AGC just flashing... It still hunts... Any ideas are welcome. >> -- >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave >> NK7Z >> http://www.nk7z.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > From lmarion at mt.net Sat Dec 24 01:37:20 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (Leroy Marion) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 23:37:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] CW macro for K-pod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008901d25db0$2efd5fb0$8cf81f10$@mt.net> Is there a macro that will send the CW ID when you are in side band? I have my K3s set to key CW in in side band, but the macro below does not Send when in side band. Thanks Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cady, Fred Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:31 PM To: Mike Weir ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW macro for K-pod Hi Mike, You can use the KY command to do that. Use the K3 Utility to program separate macros with: KY VE3WDM; KY 599 CA; KY TU; Write them to the K3. Then use the KPod buttons to send. You can't send an increasing number for a report although if you have a P3 with SVGA you could. 73, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com (Macro programming book coming) ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Mike Weir Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:17 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] CW macro for K-pod Good afternoon all, here is what I want to do.............I have the K-pod and I wanted to set up some of the F buttons to send CW contest replies such as: My call TU Contest exchange and if possible an increasing serial exchange Just not sure how to set all this up? Thanks in advance Mike VE3WDM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lmarion at mt.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Dec 24 02:26:46 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 23:26:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and CW In-Reply-To: References: <5854CCD4.7315.16D88C8@Gary.ka1j.com> <5859B213.5783.6C3A360@Gary.ka1j.com> <1482407947586-7624875.post@n2.nabble.com> <49e495ac-4c7f-4ec4-8d6f-be1d425fdf00@audiosystemsgroup.com> <15beaa4b-748b-6e9a-e918-79bfdf3cc17a@sdellington.us> Message-ID: <9582e2ed-c19a-7761-a0ac-fff050116443@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,12/23/2016 10:11 AM, Alan Bloom wrote: > You could always compensate for it by adjusting the K3 for softer key > shaping. Wayne carefully shaped the keying waveform to minimize occupied bandwidth while maintaining good clarity at high keying speeds, and he purposely did not allow users to screw it up. :) 73, Jim K9YC From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Dec 24 11:39:50 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 08:39:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 / DSP In-Reply-To: <2F2A83BE-6FF5-4CDC-84AA-F28DABD442DD@law.du.edu> References: <2F2A83BE-6FF5-4CDC-84AA-F28DABD442DD@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <4a1682c2-e1da-45d7-d19c-5a0638bb4164@socal.rr.com> Years ago I replaced the KAF2 with a KDSP2 and far preferred the latter. But it is fussy to adjust and many seem to prefer the KAF2. Phil W7OX On 12/23/16 8:46 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > I have never had a K2 with a KDSP2 so I can?t > make an informed comparison; but I can say that, > having one in both of my K2s, the KAF2 makes the > K2?s performance truly outstanding. As I > understand it, having both was never possible ? > it was one or the other. Maybe someone can > offer a comparison . . . > > Ted, KN1CBR > From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Dec 24 12:14:43 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 17:14:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 / DSP In-Reply-To: <4a1682c2-e1da-45d7-d19c-5a0638bb4164@socal.rr.com> References: <2F2A83BE-6FF5-4CDC-84AA-F28DABD442DD@law.du.edu> <4a1682c2-e1da-45d7-d19c-5a0638bb4164@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <019ED982-F061-4E5C-B24D-550026086E51@law.du.edu> Hello Phil ? Yes, I have read that in some of the eHam reviews about the KDSP2. Some people apparently didn?t like the more nuanced adjustment process. I don?t remember why I opted for the KAF2 in my first K2; but by the time I got the second one the KDSP2 was already gone. In fact, that was in part why I bought the second kit. Other than the DZKit Sienna, the K2 is the last kit of its kind on the market so far as I can tell. SMCs and the like seem to be making traditional components less profitable to manufacture and sometimes harder to find. The base K2 itself has had some changes due to sourcing problems (for example, ICs now nearing the size of dust mites mounted on more reasonably macroscopic carrier boards.) Someday even the K2 may succumb. Losing the KDSP2 seemed like a milepost on that road. I wanted a second kit before that happened. Happy holidays to you, and all. Ted, KN1CBR From: Phil Wheeler Date: Saturday, December 24, 2016 at 9:39 AM To: "Dauer, Edward" , "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: K2 / DSP Years ago I replaced the KAF2 with a KDSP2 and far preferred the latter. But it is fussy to adjust and many seem to prefer the KAF2. Phil W7OX On 12/23/16 8:46 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: I have never had a K2 with a KDSP2 so I can?t make an informed comparison; but I can say that, having one in both of my K2s, the KAF2 makes the K2?s performance truly outstanding. As I understand it, having both was never possible ? it was one or the other. Maybe someone can offer a comparison . . . Ted, KN1CBR From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sat Dec 24 12:38:26 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 12:38:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Happy Holidays Message-ID: Hi All,I would just like to drop a note to all the people on the reflector to wish you a Happy Holiday and all the best for the coming years.Over the past few years I've had the opportunity to talk to many of you, meeting colleagues across the world and making many friends in the process. The last three years have been a blast and look forward to many more.73 Tom?va2fsq.com? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 13:44:39 2016 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 13:44:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 / DSP In-Reply-To: <4a1682c2-e1da-45d7-d19c-5a0638bb4164@socal.rr.com> References: <2F2A83BE-6FF5-4CDC-84AA-F28DABD442DD@law.du.edu> <4a1682c2-e1da-45d7-d19c-5a0638bb4164@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <11fa4f3c-597c-d953-417e-fb6c72895838@gmail.com> I had trouble remembering how to navigate the kdsp2 menus for adjustment and wrote a program to help: http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/k2filter/ It works but is clunky in some ways. Before knocking off the rough edges I got my K3 and the kdsp2 code has been neglected ever since. Anyone interested is welcome to the code but I can't offer assistance. Not so much because I don't want to, but it's been several years and the coding details have grown fuzzy! 73, Mike ab3ap On 12/24/2016 11:39 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Years ago I replaced the KAF2 with a KDSP2 and far preferred the > latter. But it is fussy to adjust and many seem to prefer the KAF2. > > Phil W7OX > > On 12/23/16 8:46 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> >> I have never had a K2 with a KDSP2 so I can?t make an informed >> comparison; but I can say that, having one in both of my K2s, the KAF2 >> makes the K2?s performance truly outstanding. As I understand it, >> having both was never possible ? it was one or the other. Maybe >> someone can offer a comparison . . . >> >> Ted, KN1CBR >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mike.ab3ap at gmail.com From w6jhb at me.com Sat Dec 24 17:09:38 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 14:09:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Unbelievable Customer Service - Thanks!!! Message-ID: <0A511BD2-94A7-465A-B110-541207841B95@me.com> So often these days we hear about crummy customer service from various companies. Well, I just wanted to say a very big THANK YOU to the hard working folks at Elecraft! I had been thinking about buying a KXPA100 and KXAT100 to keep my three year old KX3 company. On Thursday night around 10:00 PST I decided to pull the trigger. Did the online order and expected that maybe I?d get the two units and connecting cable by maybe next Tuesday or Wednesday. Well, I?ll be darned if Santa didn?t make a guest appearance here at noon in the form of a USPS guy with a nice brown Elecraft box for me! Wow - one day service. They got the order Friday morning when they got to work, and I had my present the very next day. Yippee!!! Thanks to everyone there at Elecraft. Happy holidays to them and everyone here in the reflector. 73, Jim / W6JHB From rcrgs at verizon.net Sat Dec 24 17:31:31 2016 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 22:31:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) hex beam users Message-ID: <585EF743.3000600@verizon.net> I'd like to talk off-list with anyone currently/past using a HEX beam. I am specifically interested in 3-band versus 5-ban performance [I am mostly a contester]. I'm also interested in ability to use a 3-band model on 17/12m with the KAT500. Another topic is putting the antenna on a rotating aluminum mast/tower: weather reliability, rotating guy collars and feed line routing are topics of interest. Any other useful tidbits of info on this antenna are much appreciated. Thanks in advance. ...robert -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Sat Dec 24 17:34:39 2016 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 15:34:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and WSJT-X 1.7 In-Reply-To: <06a6d2d7-0a6b-25e8-d12d-d9d214a67ed8@subich.com> References: <1482531196222-7624923.post@n2.nabble.com> <06a6d2d7-0a6b-25e8-d12d-d9d214a67ed8@subich.com> Message-ID: <1482618879323-7624950.post@n2.nabble.com> It seems like I get my K3 and the new 1.7 version of WSJT-X to work together if I set up the program for only Split = "Fake it", but not Mode = "Data/Pkt" (so it is set for "None"). Two of these commands seems to be too much for the timing, but one alone is fine. Joe Subich, W4TV-4 wrote > Is this when transmitting? If so, try setting Mode = "None" and > Split Operation = "None" in the WSJT-X File -> Settings -> Radio > tab. ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-WSJT-X-1-7-tp7624923p7624950.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From doug at k0dxv.com Sat Dec 24 17:35:17 2016 From: doug at k0dxv.com (Doug Person) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 15:35:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 remote over satellite internet? In-Reply-To: References: <103101d25c9b$94ef1b30$becd5190$@aol.com> <6c54e770-be52-9d56-b767-36fc46b96250@n7xy.net> Message-ID: I know I'm coming late to this topic. But my experience with remote operations over satellite is worth mentioning. I have tried every possible variation of operating a remote K3 over a satellite connection. It's not just the latency - it's that you can never predict the network and you may get only bits and pieces and then nothing for 4 or 5 seconds. The satellite that services North America is pretty much over committed. They are being used for aircraft internet now and as far as I know there are very few areas where additional subscribers are even being accepted. I did try it about 2AM local when the network is barely being used and it might just be acceptable at that time. During the day - not a chance. Doug -- K0DXV On 12/22/2016 9:16 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Actually, anyone considering remote operation Remoterig, QSK is > totally out, not ever going to work. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV > Washoe County DM09dn > > On 12/22/2016 7:34 PM, Bob Nielsen wrote: >> I doubt that you would be satisfied with the delays (QSK is >> definitely out!) >> >> 73, Bob N7XY >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to doug at k0dxv.com From aslusher599 at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 21:48:48 2016 From: aslusher599 at gmail.com (Alan Slusher) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 20:48:48 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Unbelievable Customer Service - Thanks!!! In-Reply-To: <0A511BD2-94A7-465A-B110-541207841B95@me.com> References: <0A511BD2-94A7-465A-B110-541207841B95@me.com> Message-ID: Jim: And I can tell you from Belize that, while the delivery service is not as fast (no fault of Elecraft), it is every bit of the same super-high quality that you are talking about. Long may we have K-toys to play with! Happy Holidays to all. 73, Alan V31FA On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 4:09 PM, James Bennett wrote: > So often these days we hear about crummy customer service from various > companies. Well, I just wanted to say a very big THANK YOU to the hard > working folks at Elecraft! I had been thinking about buying a KXPA100 and > KXAT100 to keep my three year old KX3 company. On Thursday night around > 10:00 PST I decided to pull the trigger. Did the online order and expected > that maybe I?d get the two units and connecting cable by maybe next Tuesday > or Wednesday. Well, I?ll be darned if Santa didn?t make a guest appearance > here at noon in the form of a USPS guy with a nice brown Elecraft box for > me! Wow - one day service. They got the order Friday morning when they got > to work, and I had my present the very next day. Yippee!!! > > Thanks to everyone there at Elecraft. Happy holidays to them and everyone > here in the reflector. > > 73, Jim / W6JHB > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to aslusher599 at gmail.com From b.denley at comcast.net Sat Dec 24 23:39:16 2016 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 23:39:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 / DSP In-Reply-To: <11fa4f3c-597c-d953-417e-fb6c72895838@gmail.com> References: <2F2A83BE-6FF5-4CDC-84AA-F28DABD442DD@law.du.edu> <4a1682c2-e1da-45d7-d19c-5a0638bb4164@socal.rr.com> <11fa4f3c-597c-d953-417e-fb6c72895838@gmail.com> Message-ID: Mike: I like it! I didn't think the DSP was addressable. How do I get a copy to try it out? I have Win7 and OSX here. Thanks Brian Denley KB1VBF Sent from my iPad > On Dec 24, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > > I had trouble remembering how to navigate the kdsp2 menus for adjustment and wrote a program to help: > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/k2filter/ > > It works but is clunky in some ways. Before knocking off the rough edges I got my K3 and the kdsp2 code has been neglected ever since. Anyone interested is welcome to the code but I can't offer assistance. Not so much because I don't want to, but it's been several years and the coding details have grown fuzzy! > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > >> On 12/24/2016 11:39 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> Years ago I replaced the KAF2 with a KDSP2 and far preferred the >> latter. But it is fussy to adjust and many seem to prefer the KAF2. >> >> Phil W7OX >> >>> On 12/23/16 8:46 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>> >>> I have never had a K2 with a KDSP2 so I can?t make an informed >>> comparison; but I can say that, having one in both of my K2s, the KAF2 >>> makes the K2?s performance truly outstanding. As I understand it, >>> having both was never possible ? it was one or the other. Maybe >>> someone can offer a comparison . . . >>> >>> Ted, KN1CBR >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mike.ab3ap at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to b.denley at comcast.net From billamader at gmail.com Sun Dec 25 10:01:37 2016 From: billamader at gmail.com (Bill Mader) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 08:01:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: IMD and CW Message-ID: <00b301d25ebf$cb7b8500$62728f00$@gmail.com> Falling supply voltage has a significant effect up the K3's SSB signal! During a past FD, the CW Team Captain stopped the SSB station to ask what we had changed. He was then receiving a lot of "splatter" on 20 CW while we operated on 20 SSB. It turned out someone had accidentally knocked the surge suppressor/multi-outlet switch to the off position. The K3 automatically switched to the backup battery and the logging laptop kept on playing with nobody the wiser. Eventually, the battery dropped to a "low" level (greater than the 11 Volt threshold), the CW station could hear the SSB splatter! Returning the switch to the ON position solved the problem and the battery recharged, ready for any further incidents. None occurred. Since this same problem didn't occur at the CW or GOTA stations, we didn't experience the same issue at the SSB station. At various times, we had all three stations on 20m, 15m, or 40m at once! That is why we only operated Elecraft rigs. BTW, we took 4th overall that year! 73, Bill, K8TE Activities Manager, Albuquerque DX Association Message: 3 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 10:11:58 -0800 From: Alan Bloom To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed For a CW signal, the nonlinearity of a typical power amplifier should have the effect of shortening the rise and fall times. That does indeed widen the transmitted bandwidth. But intuitively, it seems like the distortion would have to be really bad to shorten the rise/fall times by much. You could always compensate for it by adjusting the K3 for softer key shaping. Alan N1AL On 12/22/2016 10:22 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > I didn't exactly do this, but I did investigate the effects of distortion on CW signals. I disconnected my P3 from the K3 and set the IF to 7 MHz. so it would act like a standalone spectrum analyzer. > I was interested in whether a class-C amplifier I had built would sharpen the keying enough to create noticeable clicks. The amplifier used minimal fixed bias to allow a small amount of resting plate current in transmit mode, with full class-C operating bias provided by a grid resistor. > I noted a broadening of the base of the signal on the P3, indicating that the signal was not as clean as the K3 alone. But listening with another receiver on either side of the S9+30 dB signal didn't reveal audible clicks. I also asked other operators to listen and there were no reports of clicks. > I am sure that attempting to use that amplifier (a pair of 813s) on SSB would have gotten me ridden out of town on a rail! > > Vic 4X6GP > >> On 22 Dec 2016, at 23:10, K9MA wrote: >> >>> On 12/22/2016 11:40, Jim Brown wrote: >>> IMD also affects CW. What we call CW is not "continuous wave," it is a continuous wave that is 100% modulated by a rectangular wave. That rectangular wave is rich in harmonics, and excites IMD. We hear it as clicks. >> It would be interesting to see how much IMD it takes to significantly increase key clicks of a "clean" keyed CW signal, like that of the K3. I'd expect the effect to be small, compared to that on an SSB signal for the same level of IMD, but I could be wrong. I suppose a simple test would be to have a local friend with a P3 watch the signal as I turned down the supply voltage on my K3. Has anyone tried anything like that? >> >> 73, >> >> Scott K9MA >> >> >> -- >> Scott K9MA >> >> k9ma at sdellington.us From ars-ky7m at cox.net Sun Dec 25 10:13:40 2016 From: ars-ky7m at cox.net (KY7M) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 08:13:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and WSJT-X 1.7 In-Reply-To: <1482618879323-7624950.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1482531196222-7624923.post@n2.nabble.com> <06a6d2d7-0a6b-25e8-d12d-d9d214a67ed8@subich.com> <1482618879323-7624950.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1482678820312-7624955.post@n2.nabble.com> This one change of "Mode=None" solved my K3/Microham MK II issue. I now have WSJT-X v.1.7 working perfectly. Thank you!!! Lee, KY7M -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-WSJT-X-1-7-tp7624923p7624955.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From billamader at gmail.com Sun Dec 25 10:41:45 2016 From: billamader at gmail.com (Bill Mader) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 08:41:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service Message-ID: <00ce01d25ec5$6a3f5770$3ebe0650$@gmail.com> Merry Christmas to All! I just opened a Christmas gift from my lovely wife Judy to find a K-Pod inside. This was quite a surprise since I had forgotten I suggested I wanted one. I also ordered one as part of a larger order and noted it was "backordered" just after she place her order. She received a call from Elecraft Customer Support pointing out we had both ordered the same item and if they should ship both. She explained "no" and thus my backorder. Where else could you find such great customer support along with such fine products? We all know the answer. 73, Bill, K8TE From turnbull at net1.ie Sun Dec 25 11:39:34 2016 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 16:39:34 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service In-Reply-To: <00ce01d25ec5$6a3f5770$3ebe0650$@gmail.com> References: <00ce01d25ec5$6a3f5770$3ebe0650$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Bill, You are right Elecraft gets it right once again! 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Mader Sent: 25 December 2016 15:42 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service Merry Christmas to All! I just opened a Christmas gift from my lovely wife Judy to find a K-Pod inside. This was quite a surprise since I had forgotten I suggested I wanted one. I also ordered one as part of a larger order and noted it was "backordered" just after she place her order. She received a call from Elecraft Customer Support pointing out we had both ordered the same item and if they should ship both. She explained "no" and thus my backorder. Where else could you find such great customer support along with such fine products? We all know the answer. 73, Bill, K8TE ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From kb2m at arrl.net Sun Dec 25 12:31:19 2016 From: kb2m at arrl.net (Jeff Griffin) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 12:31:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service References: <00ce01d25ec5$6a3f5770$3ebe0650$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <047501d25ed4$b4f5efe0$1ee1cfa0$@net> I'm glad this went better for you Bill. I gave my wife a Christmas list with several items on it. One item was a add-on board for my P3. She explained when ordering it from Elecraft that it was a gift, and was assured that it would be treated as such. A day before we got to our home up north where we were spending Christmas, I got an email at the hotel we were staying at. UPS sent an email that my order from Elecraft was delivered. I thought out loud for a minute, I didn't order anything, but then realized what it was. My wife was a bit upset.... Merry Christmas 73 Jeff kb2m -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Mader Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 10:42 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service Merry Christmas to All! I just opened a Christmas gift from my lovely wife Judy to find a K-Pod inside. This was quite a surprise since I had forgotten I suggested I wanted one. I also ordered one as part of a larger order and noted it was "backordered" just after she place her order. She received a call from Elecraft Customer Support pointing out we had both ordered the same item and if they should ship both. She explained "no" and thus my backorder. Where else could you find such great customer support along with such fine products? We all know the answer. 73, Bill, K8TE From craig at powersmith.net Sun Dec 25 12:40:07 2016 From: craig at powersmith.net (Craig Smith) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 10:40:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service In-Reply-To: <047501d25ed4$b4f5efe0$1ee1cfa0$@net> References: <00ce01d25ec5$6a3f5770$3ebe0650$@gmail.com> <047501d25ed4$b4f5efe0$1ee1cfa0$@net> Message-ID: <6361FE86-8564-4BBD-97DE-4EF54B9A9186@powersmith.net> Jeff ? I understand your reaction, but don?t think this one is due to anything at Elecraft. If you have a ?My UPS? type of account with UPS, then you will receive that kind of email from UPS automatically no matter who initiates the shipment. I?ve also been surprised and mystified on occasion when I get that notice when I know I haven?t ordered anything lately. 73 & Happy Holidays ? Craig AC0DS From phils at riousa.com Sun Dec 25 12:48:39 2016 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 09:48:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Cancelled Today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E2528A6-9004-4390-8BE0-94A9D7DE6D1A@riousa.com> Merry Christmas. In case you missed the discussion, there will not be a formal Elecraft SSB net today. The frequency is there (1800z on 14.3035 MHz) if you want to stop by and say hello. Have a wonderful holiday. 73, Phil, NS7P From kevinr at coho.net Sun Dec 25 13:07:10 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 10:07:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net hiatus Message-ID: <68cdca2f-e370-5d4e-c07a-85928c75cbc6@coho.net> Merry Christmas to you all! There will be no ECN/20 or ECN/40 today. Please enjoy your family and friends on this holy holiday. Until next week stay safe and well, 73, Kevin. KD5ONS Net Control Operator 5th Class. From na5n at zianet.com Sun Dec 25 13:50:34 2016 From: na5n at zianet.com (na5n at zianet.com) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 11:50:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service In-Reply-To: <00ce01d25ec5$6a3f5770$3ebe0650$@gmail.com> References: <00ce01d25ec5$6a3f5770$3ebe0650$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20161225185034.29496.qmail@modulo.zianet.com> Bill Mader writes: > She received a call from Elecraft Customer Support pointing out we had > both ordered the same item and if they should ship both. She explained > "no" and thus my backorder. > > Where else could you find such great customer support along with such fine > products? We all know the answer. Now that's just a cool story on both ends!!! 73, Paul NA5N From jim at jtmiller.com Sun Dec 25 13:55:48 2016 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 13:55:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile K3s/P3 RX only? Message-ID: I'm trying to put together an RFI hunting package with my SDRPlay and HDSDR running on a tablet. The software runs fine but is a bit clunky on a tablet. The biggest problem is holding the tablet with the SDR velcro'd to the back remains too close to the DF antenna resulting in pickup. I've got a metal case for the SDR on order which may or may not fix this. In case it doesn't work out I may try to fall back to my K3s/P3 and run it mobile in RX only mode in my car. Any reason a simple accessory plug (cigarette lighter) to a PowerPole won't serve this purpose. The other choice is a full laptop with HDSDR on it for easier use with the SDRPlay. The SDR/HDSDR combo does offer wider RF coverage and the very nice audio spectrum analyzer to see the details at the chosen frequency. Very handy for seeing 120hz arcing and harmonics. I'm doing a rundown test right now on a gel cell I could also use but I'd rather have as little equipment to carry around as possible. I would be stopping and turning off the car at each measurement location. Antenna would be my National RF DF loop with the appropriate loop installed. I'd use a relatively long coax from the loop to the car interior to get away from the metal. Thoughts? jim ab3cv From jimk8mr at aol.com Sun Dec 25 13:59:32 2016 From: jimk8mr at aol.com (Jim Stahl) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 13:59:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service In-Reply-To: <00ce01d25ec5$6a3f5770$3ebe0650$@gmail.com> References: <00ce01d25ec5$6a3f5770$3ebe0650$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0F16AE36-55E3-45DF-9ED0-DE2D34D157C9@aol.com> The more significant question where can one find a lovely wife nice enough to order a K-Pod for Christmas? :-) Merry Christmas, Jim K8MR > On Dec 25, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Bill Mader wrote: > > Merry Christmas to All! > > I just opened a Christmas gift from my lovely wife Judy to find a K-Pod > inside. This was quite a surprise since I had forgotten I suggested I > wanted one. I also ordered one as part of a larger order and noted it was > "backordered" just after she place her order. > > She received a call from Elecraft Customer Support pointing out we had both > ordered the same item and if they should ship both. She explained "no" and > thus my backorder. > > Where else could you find such great customer support along with such fine > products? We all know the answer. > > 73, Bill, K8TE > > From w6jhb at me.com Sun Dec 25 15:33:19 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 12:33:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service In-Reply-To: <0F16AE36-55E3-45DF-9ED0-DE2D34D157C9@aol.com> References: <00ce01d25ec5$6a3f5770$3ebe0650$@gmail.com> <0F16AE36-55E3-45DF-9ED0-DE2D34D157C9@aol.com> Message-ID: <30AB9442-4BF1-48EC-8033-F5F96673C1B7@me.com> I found one about 17 years ago - she bought me a KX3 couple years back! I guess it helps that she got her ham ticket (General class, with CW) shortly after she moved here from the Philippines! While she isn?t too super happy with all my radio purchases over the years, at least she knows what I?m talking about when I say I want xyz-stuff! 73, MC/HNY W6JHB > On Sunday, Dec 25, 2016, at Sunday, 10:59 AM, Jim Stahl via Elecraft wrote: > > The more significant question where can one find a lovely wife nice enough to order a K-Pod for Christmas? :-) > > > Merry Christmas, > > > Jim K8MR > > >> On Dec 25, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Bill Mader wrote: >> >> Merry Christmas to All! >> >> I just opened a Christmas gift from my lovely wife Judy to find a K-Pod >> inside. This was quite a surprise since I had forgotten I suggested I >> wanted one. I also ordered one as part of a larger order and noted it was >> "backordered" just after she place her order. >> >> She received a call from Elecraft Customer Support pointing out we had both >> ordered the same item and if they should ship both. She explained "no" and >> thus my backorder. >> >> Where else could you find such great customer support along with such fine >> products? We all know the answer. >> >> 73, Bill, K8TE >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com James Bennett w6jhb at me.com From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net Sun Dec 25 16:22:00 2016 From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net ('DGB') Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 15:22:00 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft KPA500 Solid State Amplifier SOLD In-Reply-To: References: <6fb63dfb-2fe7-b410-d8c9-ce51a316c77d@nycap.rr.com> <5859E86A.6090002@comcast.net> <2e5a9c11-dee5-e0bb-9a8c-c5091ceccffe@qrp4fun.de> <9f314812-5d4b-c1f1-2ccb-1c5da66445eb@w0mu.com> <538e1fd2-0029-aedb-13fc-eaf7b43e7ae1@w0mu.com> <35ec13ba-9276-f1d9-4cab-ba98065c300f@Bayland.net> Message-ID: <9a8a980b-f96b-1fe4-e6d8-b009a27eceaa@Bayland.net> SOLD On 12/22/2016 1:38 PM, 'DGB' wrote: > Elecraft KPA500 Amp - Bought new as a kit 8/01/2012 s/n 0971- > assembled by myself. Includes KPAK3AUX-KPA to K3 Aux Cable and > PWR-US240 US 240V Power Cord. Latest firmware installed, cosmetically > good, operates full output. No issues - includes manuals, spare fuses, > and a new $37 box from Elecraft for shipping. > > $1850 shipped and insured CONUS - Payment by USPS Money Order - > certified Check from your Bank - Personal Check (with wait till it > clears) OR Pay Pal, you pay the fees. Please No tire-kickers! > > Reason for sale is my SPE Expert 1.3K-FA has just arrived. > > Contact me at ns9i at bayland.net or my cell at 92o-246-o46o > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ns9i2016 at bayland.net > > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sun Dec 25 18:53:49 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 18:53:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service Message-ID: HiMine too knows what I want when I talk about the xyl stuff.....73 Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: James Bennett Date: 2016-12-25 3:33 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service I found one about 17 years ago - she bought me a KX3 couple years back! I guess it helps that she got her ham ticket (General class, with CW) shortly after she moved here from the Philippines! While she isn?t too super happy with all my radio purchases over the years, at least she knows what I?m talking about when I say I want xyz-stuff! 73, MC/HNY W6JHB > On?? Sunday, Dec 25, 2016, at? Sunday, 10:59 AM, Jim Stahl via Elecraft wrote: > > The more significant question where can one find a lovely wife nice enough to order a K-Pod for Christmas??? :-) > > > Merry Christmas, > > > Jim?? K8MR > > >> On Dec 25, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Bill Mader wrote: >> >> Merry Christmas to All! >> >> I just opened a Christmas gift from my lovely wife Judy to find a K-Pod >> inside.? This was quite a surprise since I had forgotten I suggested I >> wanted one.? I also ordered one as part of a larger order and noted it was >> "backordered" just after she place her order. >> >> She received a call from Elecraft Customer Support pointing out we had both >> ordered the same item and if they should ship both.? She explained "no" and >> thus my backorder. >> >> Where else could you find such great customer support along with such fine >> products?? We all know the answer. >> >> 73, Bill, K8TE >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com James Bennett w6jhb at me.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sun Dec 25 18:56:07 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 18:56:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service Message-ID: Oops,?You said xyz.... Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: tomb18 Date: 2016-12-25 6:53 PM (GMT-05:00) To: James Bennett , Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service HiMine too knows what I want when I talk about the xyl stuff.....73 Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: James Bennett Date: 2016-12-25? 3:33 PM? (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service I found one about 17 years ago - she bought me a KX3 couple years back! I guess it helps that she got her ham ticket (General class, with CW) shortly after she moved here from the Philippines! While she isn?t too super happy with all my radio purchases over the years, at least she knows what I?m talking about when I say I want xyz-stuff! 73, MC/HNY W6JHB > On?? Sunday, Dec 25, 2016, at? Sunday, 10:59 AM, Jim Stahl via Elecraft wrote: > > The more significant question where can one find a lovely wife nice enough to order a K-Pod for Christmas??? :-) > > > Merry Christmas, > > > Jim?? K8MR > > >> On Dec 25, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Bill Mader wrote: >> >> Merry Christmas to All! >> >> I just opened a Christmas gift from my lovely wife Judy to find a K-Pod >> inside.? This was quite a surprise since I had forgotten I suggested I >> wanted one.? I also ordered one as part of a larger order and noted it was >> "backordered" just after she place her order. >> >> She received a call from Elecraft Customer Support pointing out we had both >> ordered the same item and if they should ship both.? She explained "no" and >> thus my backorder. >> >> Where else could you find such great customer support along with such fine >> products?? We all know the answer. >> >> 73, Bill, K8TE >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com James Bennett w6jhb at me.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Dec 25 19:36:09 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 00:36:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting PC to W1 Message-ID: Elecraft sells a serial cable as an option for the W1 wattmeter, to allow communication between the W1 and a PC. What I cannot determine by looking through the site is whether that cable is all I would need to connect my W1 to a PC that has USB ports, but no DB9 or DB15. One photograph from Google Images shows a cable with a mini-plug TRS on one end and a DB9 on the other. But the description of the W1 on the Elecraft site says " Elecraft will also be supplying a W1 compatible USB adapter as an option for the W1." Note the future tense "will." There is no description nor photo of the W1SERKT on the Order Page. So, bottom line question - is the W1SERKT Elecraft will also be supplying a W1 compatible USB adapter as an option for the W1 a TRS to USB cable, or do I need a TRS to DB9 and a DB9 to USB? Thanks in advance, Ted, KN1CBR From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Dec 25 19:40:18 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 00:40:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting PC to W1 - corrected text Message-ID: Previous post was garbled by an error in a text editor. Corrected text follows: Elecraft sells a serial cable as an option for the W1 wattmeter, to allow communication between the W1 and a PC. What I cannot determine by looking through the site is whether that cable is all I would need to connect my W1 to a PC that has USB ports, but no DB9 or DB15. One photograph from Google Images shows a cable with a mini-plug TRS on one end and a DB9 on the other. But the description of the W1 on the Elecraft site says " Elecraft will also be supplying a W1 compatible USB adapter as an option for the W1." Note the future tense "will." There is no description nor photo of the W1SERKT on the Order Page. So, bottom line question - is the W1SERKT a TRS to USB cable, or do I need a TRS to DB9 and a DB9 to USB? I sent a note to Sales asking this, but I thought maybe someone here would know . . . Thanks in advance, Ted, KN1CBR From dick at elecraft.com Sun Dec 25 19:46:27 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 16:46:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting PC to W1 - corrected text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Our KXUSB and KXSER should be fine with the W1. Merry Xmas! 73 de Dick, K6KR > On Dec 25, 2016, at 16:40, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > Previous post was garbled by an error in a text editor. Corrected text follows: > > > Elecraft sells a serial cable as an option for the W1 wattmeter, to allow communication between the W1 and a PC. What I cannot determine by looking through the site is whether that cable is all I would need to connect my W1 to a PC that has USB ports, but no DB9 or DB15. One photograph from Google Images shows a cable with a mini-plug TRS on one end and a DB9 on the other. But the description of the W1 on the Elecraft site says " Elecraft will also be supplying a W1 compatible USB adapter as an option for the W1." Note the future tense "will." There is no description nor photo of the W1SERKT on the Order Page. So, bottom line question - is the W1SERKT a TRS to USB cable, or do I need a TRS to DB9 and a DB9 to USB? I sent a note to Sales asking this, but I thought maybe someone here would know . . . > > Thanks in advance, > > Ted, KN1CBR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Dec 25 22:32:42 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 22:32:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting PC to W1 - corrected text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E566F37-88FA-4799-9737-6F7C28109040@widomaker.com> If the W1 uses a serial cable with a 3.5 mm TRS plug, yes they have two cables available. One has a DE9 on other end and one has USB. Call and order which ever one you need. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 25, 2016, at 7:40 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > Previous post was garbled by an error in a text editor. Corrected text follows: > > > Elecraft sells a serial cable as an option for the W1 wattmeter, to allow communication between the W1 and a PC. What I cannot determine by looking through the site is whether that cable is all I would need to connect my W1 to a PC that has USB ports, but no DB9 or DB15. One photograph from Google Images shows a cable with a mini-plug TRS on one end and a DB9 on the other. But the description of the W1 on the Elecraft site says " Elecraft will also be supplying a W1 compatible USB adapter as an option for the W1." Note the future tense "will." There is no description nor photo of the W1SERKT on the Order Page. So, bottom line question - is the W1SERKT a TRS to USB cable, or do I need a TRS to DB9 and a DB9 to USB? I sent a note to Sales asking this, but I thought maybe someone here would know . . . > > Thanks in advance, > > Ted, KN1CBR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > Previous post was garbled by an error in a text editor. Corrected text follows: > > > Elecraft sells a serial cable as an option for the W1 wattmeter, to allow communication between the W1 and a PC. What I cannot determine by looking through the site is whether that cable is all I would need to connect my W1 to a PC that has USB ports, but no DB9 or DB15. One photograph from Google Images shows a cable with a mini-plug TRS on one end and a DB9 on the other. But the description of the W1 on the Elecraft site says " Elecraft will also be supplying a W1 compatible USB adapter as an option for the W1." Note the future tense "will." There is no description nor photo of the W1SERKT on the Order Page. So, bottom line question - is the W1SERKT a TRS to USB cable, or do I need a TRS to DB9 and a DB9 to USB? I sent a note to Sales asking this, but I thought maybe someone here would know . . . > > Thanks in advance, > > Ted, KN1CBR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From crossbow at kconline.com Sun Dec 25 23:24:58 2016 From: crossbow at kconline.com (Paul W. Van Dyke) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 23:24:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HEIL PROSET 7 AND K2 Message-ID: <030a01d25f30$0869dc30$193d9490$@kconline.com> A QUICK QUESTION .. I have a Heil Proset 7 that will work with my K3s (delivery pending) But leave for a 3 week trip to Hawaii and intend on taking the K2 as I might need a few more watts for the trip than the KX3 has. Yes, I have a KXPA100, but it is logistics.. Has anyone used the Proset 7 with a K2?? Pointers? Paul Van Dyke -KB9AVO Buddies in the Caribbean .. Digital K3 16?? K2 6363 KX3 #24 KXPA100 #22 KX3 #?? KX2 #38 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From hlyingst at yahoo.com Sun Dec 25 23:36:02 2016 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 23:36:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] I'm looking for terminal program for the K3 Message-ID: I was playing with the terminal program in the K3 utility and ws curious if there was a stand alone Terminal program similar to the one in the K3 utility available. Thank you? From tomb18 at videotron.ca Mon Dec 26 00:06:31 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 00:06:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: I'm looking for terminal program for the K3 Message-ID: <2aon5duuftkndrx1g20n8rlg.1482728791778@email.android.com> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: tomb18 Date: 2016-12-26 12:05 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Harry Yingst Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I'm looking for terminal program for the K3 HiIt's not stand alone but Win4k3 is a full control program that includes a terminal for cw, fsk and psk that uses the internal decoding of the k3 kx3 or kx2. It also can log from it directly to HRD, ?n3fjp or dxlabs, ?as well as adif files.Check out the video?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0Io73 Tom?Va2fsq.com? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 26 00:12:10 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 00:12:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HEIL PROSET 7 AND K2 In-Reply-To: <030a01d25f30$0869dc30$193d9490$@kconline.com> References: <030a01d25f30$0869dc30$193d9490$@kconline.com> Message-ID: <92155206-a640-af3b-8703-c7770986e9de@embarqmail.com> Paul, There are two models of that microphone - so like all Heil mics, one must be specific about the exact model (and that makes the answer NOT quick). If you have the Pro7iC model, there is no doubt in my mind that it will work if you plug the microphone configuration header with the 5.6k bias resistor. When you used it with the K3S, did you have to turn bias on? If so, it must be the Pro7iC. If it works without bias, then it is the dynamic HC-7 mic element. I do not know about the normal HC-7 dynamic mic that Heil offers, but I do have some experience with the HC-6 element which has very low output. I doubt it will drive the K2 sufficiently without the use of a mic preamp. If you have the Heil Pro7iC, then plug all pins of the K2 microphone configuration header straight across (Elecraft configuration) and solder a 5.6k resistor between pins 6 and 1 of the microphone jack to provide the bias. If you want to try the dynamic HC-7 element, leave the bias resistor off - but I strongly recommend that you test it well before your trip to determine if the element has sufficient output for use with the K2. I have no idea what microphone pinout your K2 is currently configured for. To find out for certain, remove the front panel board and check the plugging (wiring) of the microphone configuration header against the various microphones that are listed in the KSB2 manual (download it if you do not have one. That should be obvious to you if you built the K2 and KSB2 option, but if you did not, check it out, not all K2s are wired for the same microphone - the K2 mic pinout can be wired for many different mics. 73, Don W3FPR 73, Don W3FPR On 12/25/2016 11:24 PM, Paul W. Van Dyke wrote: > A QUICK QUESTION .. > > I have a Heil Proset 7 that will work with my K3s (delivery pending) > > But leave for a 3 week trip to Hawaii and intend on taking the K2 as I might > need a few more watts for the trip than the KX3 has. > Yes, I have a KXPA100, but it is logistics.. > Has anyone used the Proset 7 with a K2?? Pointers? From hlyingst at yahoo.com Mon Dec 26 00:29:59 2016 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 00:29:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: I'm looking for terminal program for the K3 Message-ID: Thank you That's nice but a bit more than I'm looking for. -------- Original message -------- From: tomb18 Date: 2016-12-26 12:06 AM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re:  I'm looking for terminal program for the K3 Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: tomb18 Date: 2016-12-26? 12:05 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: Harry Yingst Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I'm looking for terminal program for the K3 HiIt's not stand alone but Win4k3 is a full control program that includes a terminal for cw, fsk and psk that uses the internal decoding of the k3 kx3 or kx2. It also can log from it directly to HRD, ?n3fjp or dxlabs, ?as well as adif files.Check out the video?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0Io73 Tom?Va2fsq.com? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From paulc22 at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 26 01:48:13 2016 From: paulc22 at sbcglobal.net (Paul C) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 00:48:13 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 alignment and testing guidance Message-ID: <506748.54209.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hi folks. I'm in the final steps for getting my KX1 working and am kind of stuck. Since Elecraft is closed until Wednesday I thought I'd check with y'all for a few ideas before then. Q1). What exactly is TUNE mode supposed to do? For me it doesn't appear to do anything. BTW, I'm trying to align the thing and I have a random wire dipole fed directly to the antenna jack. I have the KXAT1 ATU option assembled but it's not installed in the rig yet. Also, tuning around I hear almost no CW or Phone signals on either the 40 or the 20 meter bands. My antenna is 70 feet long and I just kind of tossed it all through my house floor. It's raining here in Texas so I don't want to get outside and hang it in a tree if not required I do hear some irritating tones spread across both bands, but that's about it. I'm wondering if you have any ideas on how to proceed, or what my trouble could be. Thank you, Paul From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Mon Dec 26 02:45:12 2016 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 08:45:12 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SSB LO/HI Cut not selectable? Message-ID: Hi, Just noticed a problem with my K3, FW Revs 05.54 I can no longer select LO HI cut (vs. shift/width) in LSB/USB mode. I understand this is a known side effect of changing the passband shift (PB CTRL) from its default .05 to .01. I can change PB CTRL to either .05 or .01 in CW mode but NOT in SSB mode. In SSB mode it always shows N/A when attempting a change. I've checked the known issues; CW QRQ is OFF and SIG RMV is nor. Is there something else I can try? Thanks and Seasons Greetings. 73, Denis F5VJC From w8ov at verizon.net Mon Dec 26 08:39:44 2016 From: w8ov at verizon.net (David Koch) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 07:39:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: I'm looking for terminal program for the K3 In-Reply-To: <2aon5duuftkndrx1g20n8rlg.1482728791778@email.android.com> References: <2aon5duuftkndrx1g20n8rlg.1482728791778@email.android.com> Message-ID: <5af581ad-f5ae-fd97-8ae7-80e1c7eefdb9@verizon.net> That link leads to a "this video is no longer available" message. --David, W8OV On 2016-12-25 23:06, tomb18 wrote: > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: tomb18 Date: 2016-12-26 12:05 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Harry Yingst Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I'm looking for terminal program for the K3 > HiIt's not stand alone but Win4k3 is a full control program that includes a terminal for cw, fsk and psk that uses the internal decoding of the k3 kx3 or kx2. It also can log from it directly to HRD, n3fjp or dxlabs, as well as adif files.Check out the video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0Io73 Tom Va2fsq.com > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w8ov at verizon.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 26 08:47:19 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 08:47:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 alignment and testing guidance In-Reply-To: <506748.54209.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <506748.54209.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Paul, At this time during the sunspot cycle, and especially over a holiday weekend, you are not likely to hear many signals from a random wire unless you have some way of tuning it - that is doubly a problem if it is just strung out on the house floor. Being 70 feet long, it is likely presenting a high impedance at the end approaching 4000 ohms, where a lower impedance (ideally 50 ohms) is needed. The TUNE buttons put the KX1 into transmit, but you should be operating into a 50 ohm load. Can you obtain or borrow a 50 ohm dummy load? That and some means of indicating power output is necessary. For receive, a signal generator of some type is a real asset if you do not have a good resonant antenna with a 50 ohm feedline. I suggest you contact some of the local hams who might have some test equipment and dummy loads to help you out. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/26/2016 1:48 AM, Paul C wrote: > Hi folks. I'm in the final steps for getting my KX1 working and am kind of stuck. Since Elecraft is closed until Wednesday I thought I'd check with y'all for a few ideas before then. > > Q1). What exactly is TUNE mode supposed to do? For me it doesn't appear to do anything. > > BTW, I'm trying to align the thing and I have a random wire dipole fed directly to the antenna jack. I have the KXAT1 ATU option assembled but it's not installed in the rig yet. > From kb2m at arrl.net Mon Dec 26 09:33:24 2016 From: kb2m at arrl.net (Jeff Griffin) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 09:33:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service In-Reply-To: <6361FE86-8564-4BBD-97DE-4EF54B9A9186@powersmith.net> References: <00ce01d25ec5$6a3f5770$3ebe0650$@gmail.com> <047501d25ed4$b4f5efe0$1ee1cfa0$@net> <6361FE86-8564-4BBD-97DE-4EF54B9A9186@powersmith.net> Message-ID: <00a001d25f85$0452ccb0$0cf86610$@net> A few years ago we did the same thing and I got no delivery notice from UPS. We don?t share a myUPS account, I don?t have a myUPS account. I?m not really complaining, I?m just letting Elecraft know what happened, so they might be able to catch this in the future... 73 Jeff kb2m From: Craig Smith [mailto:craig at powersmith.net] Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 12:40 PM To: Jeff Griffin; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service Jeff ? I understand your reaction, but don?t think this one is due to anything at Elecraft. If you have a ?My UPS? type of account with UPS, then you will receive that kind of email from UPS automatically no matter who initiates the shipment. I?ve also been surprised and mystified on occasion when I get that notice when I know I haven?t ordered anything lately. 73 & Happy Holidays ? Craig AC0DS From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Dec 26 09:48:26 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 07:48:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] External Speaker for KX3 In-Reply-To: <07390312-52db-f843-42af-f244bfacfeee@embarqmail.com> References: <07390312-52db-f843-42af-f244bfacfeee@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I have two pairs of ComSPKRs and can recommend them without reservation. They're immune to RF ... at least up to the 1KW level. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP ElecraftCovers at gmail.com On Dec 26, 2016 06:12, "Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com [KX3]" < KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Scott, > > I suggest you look into the ComSpkr by West Mountain Radio. > They are shielded and do not 'howl' when transmitting. > Other amplifier computer speakers will work, but many are overly > susceptible to RF. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/25/2016 9:25 PM, n3jjtqrp at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone, looking for some help. I recently purchased the KX3 and > > amp with a plan to use at home and away. However, I am not very happy > > with the built in speaker, and I have a small powered speaker that I am > > not fond of either. Has anyone here bought a decent external powered > > speaker that sounds good on the KX3? > > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------ > Posted by: Don Wilhelm > ------------------------------ > Reply via web post > > ? Reply to sender > > ? Reply to group > > ? Start a New Topic > > ? Messages in this topic > > (2) > ------------------------------ > Have you tried the highest rated email app? > With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email > app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your > inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email > again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. > ------------------------------ > Visit Your Group > > > - New Members > > 8 > > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > > ? Privacy ? > Unsubscribe ? Terms > of Use > > . > > __,_._,___ > From kstover at ac0h.net Mon Dec 26 10:25:54 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 09:25:54 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] External Speaker for KX3 In-Reply-To: References: <07390312-52db-f843-42af-f244bfacfeee@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Ditto. The only snivel I have about them is the real short cable included with the speakers. On 12/26/2016 8:48 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > I have two pairs of ComSPKRs and can recommend them without reservation. > They're immune to RF ... at least up to the 1KW level. > > 73! > > Ken Kopp - K0PP > ElecraftCovers at gmail.com > > On Dec 26, 2016 06:12, "Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com [KX3]" < > KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > >> >> Scott, >> >> I suggest you look into the ComSpkr by West Mountain Radio. >> They are shielded and do not 'howl' when transmitting. >> Other amplifier computer speakers will work, but many are overly >> susceptible to RF. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 12/25/2016 9:25 PM, n3jjtqrp at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: >>> >>> Hello everyone, looking for some help. I recently purchased the KX3 and >>> amp with a plan to use at home and away. However, I am not very happy >>> with the built in speaker, and I have a small powered speaker that I am >>> not fond of either. Has anyone here bought a decent external powered >>> speaker that sounds good on the KX3? >>> >> __._,_.___ >> ------------------------------ >> Posted by: Don Wilhelm >> ------------------------------ >> Reply via web post >> >> ? Reply to sender >> >> ? Reply to group >> >> ? Start a New Topic >> >> ? Messages in this topic >> >> (2) >> ------------------------------ >> Have you tried the highest rated email app? >> With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email >> app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your >> inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email >> again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. >> ------------------------------ >> Visit Your Group >> >> >> - New Members >> >> 8 >> >> [image: Yahoo! Groups] >> >> ? Privacy ? >> Unsubscribe ? 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Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w.roberson at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 26 10:35:30 2016 From: w.roberson at sbcglobal.net (Bill Roberson) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 15:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Pin connections for K3 to 1.2K-FA References: <342353257.601343.1482766530453.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <342353257.601343.1482766530453@mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a working cable for the 15 pin CAT cable on the 1.3K-FA to the 15 pin VGA type connector on the K3 for the two to work together automatically? ?I am not sure how the signal outputs/inputs should be connected. ?I would like to know the pin connections for the cable so I can fabricate one. ? thanks es 73Bill N5AQ From shfoster at usa.net Mon Dec 26 11:47:10 2016 From: shfoster at usa.net (steve foster) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 08:47:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500 with Icom ic-7300 Message-ID: <38324ed1-ef16-047a-28fe-4c77158548ed@usa.net> Has anyone successfully run this combination? I have tried rf sensing and get a fault on the amp,or the tuner locks up. tried using the Icom band data to the amp, using the elecraft aux cable between the tuner and the amp, and any combination of the above. It appears not to be mode dependant. I am driving the icom with 30% power. The power level does not appear to matter. The tuner/amp combination has been working successfully with my previous radio (brand Y). There appears to me to be an issue of the amp keying at the same time the tuner is switching bands. Both amp And tuner have latest firmware. Cables are from the elecraft manuals, or Elecraft. Any help greatly appreciated. WB5OMP -- If you forward or copy this message, please delete any reference to my email address. Thanks From k3ndm at comcast.net Mon Dec 26 12:34:34 2016 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 17:34:34 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] I'm looking for terminal program for the K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Harry, I'm not sure what you mean by stand alone, but Win4K3 is about the best interface I've seen to work with a K3 or KX3. It includes a spectrum display; a terminal for CW, PSK, and FSK; spotting; complete control of the radio; and easy access to the menu items. I've played with a few other things, but I found Win4K3 about the best overall solution. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 12/25/2016 11:36:02 PM Subject: [Elecraft] I'm looking for terminal program for the K3 >I was playing with the terminal program in the K3 utility and ws >curious if there was a stand alone Terminal program similar to the one >in the K3 utility available. >Thank you > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From paulc22 at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 26 12:44:13 2016 From: paulc22 at sbcglobal.net (Paul C) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 11:44:13 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 alignment and testing guidance In-Reply-To: References: <506748.54209.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <313598.2429.bm@smtp217.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks, Don. I think I can get a dummy load from HRO today and can probably borrow a transceiver from my local club. My random wire is 34 ' each leg, which is close to what the manual suggests. I have a signal generator which I forgot about. It goes into the MHz range. I've never used it on a radio before. I guess I can just attach it to the antenna jack. This a really neat radio. Construction took longer than I anticipated but went well. I wanted to have it going before my backpacking trip to New Mexico, but I'm running out of time now. I appreciate the ideas you mentioned. 73, Paul KG5KXG -----Original Message----- From: "Don Wilhelm" Sent: ?12/?26/?2016 7:47 AM To: "Paul C" ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX1 alignment and testing guidance Paul, At this time during the sunspot cycle, and especially over a holiday weekend, you are not likely to hear many signals from a random wire unless you have some way of tuning it - that is doubly a problem if it is just strung out on the house floor. Being 70 feet long, it is likely presenting a high impedance at the end approaching 4000 ohms, where a lower impedance (ideally 50 ohms) is needed. The TUNE buttons put the KX1 into transmit, but you should be operating into a 50 ohm load. Can you obtain or borrow a 50 ohm dummy load? That and some means of indicating power output is necessary. For receive, a signal generator of some type is a real asset if you do not have a good resonant antenna with a 50 ohm feedline. I suggest you contact some of the local hams who might have some test equipment and dummy loads to help you out. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/26/2016 1:48 AM, Paul C wrote: > Hi folks. I'm in the final steps for getting my KX1 working and am kind of stuck. Since Elecraft is closed until Wednesday I thought I'd check with y'all for a few ideas before then. > > Q1). What exactly is TUNE mode supposed to do? For me it doesn't appear to do anything. > > BTW, I'm trying to align the thing and I have a random wire dipole fed directly to the antenna jack. I have the KXAT1 ATU option assembled but it's not installed in the rig yet. > From hlyingst at yahoo.com Mon Dec 26 12:42:27 2016 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 17:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] I'm looking for terminal program for the K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <754981098.1866015.1482774147585@mail.yahoo.com> Stand alone as in Only the terminal, no extra programs. I played with?Win4K3 before and it is way more than I'm looking for. From: Barry To: Harry Yingst ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I'm looking for terminal program for the K3 Harry, ? ? I'm not sure what you mean by stand alone, but Win4K3 is about the best interface I've seen to work with a K3 or KX3. It includes a spectrum display; a terminal for CW, PSK, and FSK; spotting; complete control of the radio; and easy access to the menu items. ? ? I've played with a few other things, but I found Win4K3 about the best overall solution. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 12/25/2016 11:36:02 PM Subject: [Elecraft] I'm looking for terminal program for the K3 >I was playing with the terminal program in the K3 utility and ws >curious if there was a stand alone Terminal program similar to the one >in the K3 utility available. >Thank you > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From jsrobbins at earthlink.net Mon Dec 26 12:57:41 2016 From: jsrobbins at earthlink.net (James Robbins) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 12:57:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] NoGAQRP KX3/PX3 Stand by W4KLY - Paul Kelley Message-ID: <534BB9A1-92A0-4437-9F95-4C330854E507@earthlink.net> I bought and have received one of the fine stands by Paul Kelley (W4KLY) for my KX3/PX3. Paul made it slightly larger in height to accommodate the extra heatsink I have mounted on the KX3. I painted mine black to match the rigs and added some adjusting legs to make the KX3 stand up slightly straighter. I have attached a pic to the posting. Hope it comes through. 73, Jim Robbins N1JR From jsrobbins at earthlink.net Mon Dec 26 13:07:38 2016 From: jsrobbins at earthlink.net (James Robbins) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 13:07:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] NoGAQRP KX3/PX3 Stand by W4KLY - Paul Kelley Photo link Message-ID: Here is a Dropbox public folder link to the photo: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28885200/Photo%20N1JR%2001.jpg Jim Robbins N1JR From ab7r at cablespeed.com Mon Dec 26 13:22:38 2016 From: ab7r at cablespeed.com (ab7r) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 10:22:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500 with Icom ic-7300 Message-ID: <8scpt14g1ohbjfwx63vkqoyk.1482776558623@email.android.com> A little more background.... ? with the Rf sensing the problem only presented itself when a band change required the tuner to change antennas. ?so during a very quick keydown on the new band the amp keys before the tuner switches antennas and therefore faults due to high SWR. ?if im not mistaken the PTT line between the tuner and amp stays high during a tune but not during an antenna change? ?otherwise the amp would not key until the tuner changed antennas. ThanksGregAB7R Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab?|PRO -------- Original message -------- From: steve foster Date: 12/26/2016 8:47 AM (GMT-08:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500 with Icom ic-7300 Has anyone successfully run this combination? I have tried rf sensing and get a fault on the amp,or the tuner locks up.? tried using the Icom band data to the amp, using the elecraft aux cable between the tuner and the amp, and any combination of the above. It appears not to be mode dependant. I am driving the icom with 30% power. The power level does not appear to matter. The tuner/amp combination has been working successfully with my previous radio (brand Y).? There appears to me to be an issue of the amp keying at the same time the tuner is switching bands. Both amp And tuner have latest firmware. Cables are from the elecraft manuals, or Elecraft. ? Any help greatly appreciated. ? WB5OMP -- If you forward or copy this message, please delete any reference to my email address. Thanks ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ab7r at cablespeed.com From fcady at montana.edu Mon Dec 26 13:39:26 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 18:39:26 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500 with Icom ic-7300 In-Reply-To: <8scpt14g1ohbjfwx63vkqoyk.1482776558623@email.android.com> References: <8scpt14g1ohbjfwx63vkqoyk.1482776558623@email.android.com> Message-ID: Hi, You need the keying line to go from the Icom first to the tuner and then back to the amplifier. Cheers, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft Books, see www.ke7x.com ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of ab7r Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 11:22 AM To: steve foster; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500 with Icom ic-7300 A little more background.... with the Rf sensing the problem only presented itself when a band change required the tuner to change antennas. so during a very quick keydown on the new band the amp keys before the tuner switches antennas and therefore faults due to high SWR. if im not mistaken the PTT line between the tuner and amp stays high during a tune but not during an antenna change? otherwise the amp would not key until the tuner changed antennas. ThanksGregAB7R Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab?|PRO -------- Original message -------- From: steve foster Date: 12/26/2016 8:47 AM (GMT-08:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500 with Icom ic-7300 Has anyone successfully run this combination? I have tried rf sensing and get a fault on the amp,or the tuner locks up. tried using the Icom band data to the amp, using the elecraft aux cable between the tuner and the amp, and any combination of the above. It appears not to be mode dependant. I am driving the icom with 30% power. The power level does not appear to matter. The tuner/amp combination has been working successfully with my previous radio (brand Y). There appears to me to be an issue of the amp keying at the same time the tuner is switching bands. Both amp And tuner have latest firmware. Cables are from the elecraft manuals, or Elecraft. Any help greatly appreciated. WB5OMP -- If you forward or copy this message, please delete any reference to my email address. Thanks ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ab7r at cablespeed.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From ab7r at cablespeed.com Mon Dec 26 13:46:18 2016 From: ab7r at cablespeed.com (ab7r) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 10:46:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500 with Icom ic-7300 Message-ID: Hi Fred. ?thats the way it is. ?7300 to the top RCA on the tuner and the bottom RCA to the amp. Greg Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab?|PRO -------- Original message -------- From: "Cady, Fred" Date: 12/26/2016 10:39 AM (GMT-08:00) To: ab7r , steve foster , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500 with Icom ic-7300 Hi, You need the keying line to go from the Icom first to the tuner and then back to the amplifier.? Cheers, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft Books, see www.ke7x.com From: Elecraft on behalf of ab7r Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 11:22 AM To: steve foster; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500 with Icom ic-7300 ? ??? A little more background.... ? with the Rf sensing the problem only presented itself when a band change required the tuner to change antennas. ?so during a very quick keydown on the new band the amp keys before the tuner switches antennas and therefore faults due to high SWR. ?if im not mistaken the PTT line between the tuner and amp stays high during a tune but not during an antenna change? ?otherwise the amp would not key until the tuner changed antennas. ThanksGregAB7R Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab?|PRO -------- Original message -------- From: steve foster Date: 12/26/2016? 8:47 AM? (GMT-08:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT500 with Icom ic-7300 Has anyone successfully run this combination? I have tried rf sensing and get a fault on the amp,or the tuner locks up.? tried using the Icom band data to the amp, using the elecraft aux cable between the tuner and the amp, and any combination of the above. It appears not to be mode dependant. I am driving the icom with 30% power. The power level does not appear to matter. The tuner/amp combination has been working successfully with my previous radio (brand Y).? There appears to me to be an issue of the amp keying at the same time the tuner is switching bands. Both amp And tuner have latest firmware. Cables are from the elecraft manuals, or Elecraft. ? Any help greatly appreciated. ? WB5OMP -- If you forward or copy this message, please delete any reference to my email address. Thanks ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ab7r at cablespeed.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From w6jhb at me.com Mon Dec 26 15:18:01 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 12:18:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 PTT Question Message-ID: I have a minor issue with my KX3 that has me scratching my head. Because of occasional background noise (XYL and two young boys) I seldom use VOX when on those rare occasions I venture to the SSB part of the bands. I?m using an inexpensive headset with a boom mic and there is no PTT switch on this unit. With VOX turned off, I know I can push the XMIT button on the KX3 to put the radio into transmit mode, and that works fine. But, I?d like to be able to lean back in my desk chair and carry on a conversation w/o having to lean forward to push that XMIT button every time I want to talk. I thought there was a way to do this via a home brew PTT switch, connected across the tip and sleeve of the ACC2 plug. In fact, I thought that at one time long ago I WAS able to do this. But no longer. So, I tried another way - I connected the Elecraft-supplied RCA-RCA cable to the female RCA jack on the KX3-KXPA100 Adapter Cable and connected the shield and center conductor. Doesn?t seem to put the rig into ?full? transmit mode. What happens is that the received signals on that frequency drop quite a bit in amplitude, almost to inaudible, but the red TX light on the KX3 does not light up. I?m guessing that I?ve accidentally changed something in the config settings, but I sure can?t determine what I did. Any ideas here? Jim Bennett Folsom, CA From n0nb at n0nb.us Mon Dec 26 15:25:01 2016 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 14:25:01 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and WSJT-X 1.7 In-Reply-To: <1482531196222-7624923.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1482531196222-7624923.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20161226202501.GH3974@n0nb.us> My K3 has FW 5.50 and I made my first JT65 QSO with WSJT-X 1.7 today. I have the configuration as recommended--Mode :Data/Pkt, Split Operation: Rig. I am also using CAT for the PTT Method. I've made a couple of calls with the radio in Split mode and VFO B is 1 kHz lower than VFO A. I am definitely seeing power out. As I'm not using VOX, could that be related? 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From n1ho at yahoo.com Mon Dec 26 16:59:05 2016 From: n1ho at yahoo.com (Bayard Coolidge, N1HO) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 21:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and WSJT-X 1.7 In-Reply-To: <20161226202501.GH3974@n0nb.us> References: <1482531196222-7624923.post@n2.nabble.com> <20161226202501.GH3974@n0nb.us> Message-ID: <1735547571.802810.1482789545791@mail.yahoo.com> Congratulations on your first JT65 QSO ! What you are seeing is *correct*. The way Joe Taylor and his gangdesigned the system, VFO B may be set to a slightly?lower frequency thanyour "dial" frequency on VFO A, so that the software will emit tonesin a very specific range of audio frequencies. You can verify this byslightly altering the audio frequency of the WSJT-X in the middle of thebottom part of the control screen, below the 'Tx even/1st' checkbox.Toggle it down to say, 500Hz and see what it does to VFOB. Then toggleit up to, say 2150Hz, and see how it changes. BTW, this?behavior is NOT specific to an operating system, so if you'rerunning Linux, chances are extremely high you're seeing the same thingthat I'm seeing under MacOS. And, no, it's not related to using VOX. You'll also see it dart around when you click on an interesting callsignin the "Band Activity" display and the software automatically tees up yoursystem so that you can call that juicy DX station calling CQ :-). If you want to know exactly what frequencies they're constraining thesoftware to, you'll need to go to their web site and look through some ofthe design notes, etc. It's, um, pretty complex...?bordering on magic, IMNSHO. Apologies for any weird text formatting - I'm shamefacedly using Yahoo mail for this. 73, Brandy, N1HO From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 26 17:11:11 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 17:11:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 PTT Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, That RCA jack is KEYLINE OUT, and is intended for use if you are running an amplifier other than the KXPA100. It will not work as PTT which is a different 'animal'. The KX3 does have the GPIO signal in the ACC2 jack which can be set to operate as PTT in the KX3 menu - see the parameter settings for ACC2 IO in the menu listing on page 35 as well as the description on page 5. So yes, you can wire a switch between the tip and shell of a 2.5mm stereo plug and set the ACC2 IO menu accordingly. If you are using the KXPA100, that same GPIO signal is available on the 3.5mm mono jack on the cable box - see item 9 on pages 14 and 15 of the KXPA100 manual. Note that the ACC2 jack on the KX3 is a 2.5mm stereo type, while the jack on the KXPA100 cable box is 3.5mm mono (you can use a stereo plug with nothing connected to the ring). Why the two jack sizes are different is a mystery to me. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/26/2016 3:18 PM, James Bennett wrote: > I have a minor issue with my KX3 that has me scratching my head. Because of occasional background noise (XYL and two young boys) I seldom use VOX when on those rare occasions I venture to the SSB part of the bands. I?m using an inexpensive headset with a boom mic and there is no PTT switch on this unit. With VOX turned off, I know I can push the XMIT button on the KX3 to put the radio into transmit mode, and that works fine. But, I?d like to be able to lean back in my desk chair and carry on a conversation w/o having to lean forward to push that XMIT button every time I want to talk. I thought there was a way to do this via a home brew PTT switch, connected across the tip and sleeve of the ACC2 plug. In fact, I thought that at one time long ago I WAS able to do this. But no longer. > > So, I tried another way - I connected the Elecraft-supplied RCA-RCA cable to the female RCA jack on the KX3-KXPA100 Adapter Cable and connected the shield and center conductor. Doesn?t seem to put the rig into ?full? transmit mode. What happens is that the received signals on that frequency drop quite a bit in amplitude, almost to inaudible, but the red TX light on the KX3 does not light up. > > I?m guessing that I?ve accidentally changed something in the config settings, but I sure can?t determine what I did. From wb9cac at yahoo.com Mon Dec 26 17:23:39 2016 From: wb9cac at yahoo.com (Bill Ellis) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 22:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Hi SWR on 40mtrs References: <2020890713.2179968.1482791019182.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2020890713.2179968.1482791019182@mail.yahoo.com> Hi all,? My K3 has been operating quite well until yesterday. I went to tune-up om 40 mtrs and the autotuner registered 25:1. On all other bands, it tunes properly. I then put my analyzer on the coax in the shack and it read 2.1:1. Should not be a problem for the autotuner. From what I'm seeing, the problem appears to be with the K3. What am I missing here? Thanks for any help. Bill Ellis, WB9CAC From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Mon Dec 26 17:34:44 2016 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 15:34:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and WSJT-X 1.7 In-Reply-To: <20161226202501.GH3974@n0nb.us> References: <1482531196222-7624923.post@n2.nabble.com> <20161226202501.GH3974@n0nb.us> Message-ID: <1482791684448-7625001.post@n2.nabble.com> Very interesting that you got "Split: Rig" to work. That setting never worked reliably for me in the past with WSJT-X 1.6, but a very brief test here also seems to indicate that it now works with version 1.7. And BTW congratulations with your JT65 QSO. I hope you found it worthwhile and will continue using that mode! Nate Bargmann wrote > My K3 has FW 5.50 and I made my first JT65 QSO with WSJT-X 1.7 today. I > have the configuration as recommended--Mode :Data/Pkt, Split Operation: > Rig. ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-WSJT-X-1-7-tp7624923p7625001.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 26 17:38:19 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 17:38:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Hi SWR on 40mtrs In-Reply-To: <2020890713.2179968.1482791019182@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2020890713.2179968.1482791019182.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2020890713.2179968.1482791019182@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <10d66e21-cdfe-08e8-67e6-9537b921c5ae@embarqmail.com> Bill, Check to see which antenna is selected. Having the K3 set for ANT2 while the antenna is set for ANT1 will cause that behavior. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/26/2016 5:23 PM, Bill Ellis via Elecraft wrote: > Hi all, > My K3 has been operating quite well until yesterday. I went to tune-up om 40 mtrs and the autotuner registered 25:1. On all other bands, it tunes properly. I then put my analyzer on the coax in the shack and it read 2.1:1. Should not be a problem for the autotuner. From what I'm seeing, the problem appears to be with the K3. What am I missing here? > Thanks for any help. From w0mu at w0mu.com Mon Dec 26 18:31:06 2016 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 16:31:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Hi SWR on 40mtrs In-Reply-To: <10d66e21-cdfe-08e8-67e6-9537b921c5ae@embarqmail.com> References: <2020890713.2179968.1482791019182.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2020890713.2179968.1482791019182@mail.yahoo.com> <10d66e21-cdfe-08e8-67e6-9537b921c5ae@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <300c1fab-eb8e-4529-373b-c3c2b33ea31e@w0mu.com> I was going to say the same thing. You are on the wrong Ant. On 12/26/2016 3:38 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Bill, > > Check to see which antenna is selected. Having the K3 set for ANT2 > while the antenna is set for ANT1 will cause that behavior. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/26/2016 5:23 PM, Bill Ellis via Elecraft wrote: >> Hi all, >> My K3 has been operating quite well until yesterday. I went to >> tune-up om 40 mtrs and the autotuner registered 25:1. On all other >> bands, it tunes properly. I then put my analyzer on the coax in the >> shack and it read 2.1:1. Should not be a problem for the autotuner. >> From what I'm seeing, the problem appears to be with the K3. What am >> I missing here? >> Thanks for any help. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com From n0nb at n0nb.us Mon Dec 26 19:03:13 2016 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 18:03:13 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and WSJT-X 1.7 In-Reply-To: <1482791684448-7625001.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1482531196222-7624923.post@n2.nabble.com> <20161226202501.GH3974@n0nb.us> <1482791684448-7625001.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20161227000313.GJ3974@n0nb.us> * On 2016 26 Dec 16:36 -0600, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote: > Very interesting that you got "Split: Rig" to work. That setting never worked > reliably for me in the past with WSJT-X 1.6, but a very brief test here also > seems to indicate that it now works with version 1.7. I had tried 1.6 earlier this year, but for some reason did not stick with it. I was determined to check out 1.7 more closely as I have applied many patches to Hamlib I received from Bill, G4WJS, and Mike, W9MDB, who are working with the development of WJST-X. I simply followed the user guide's setup and it all works for me. > And BTW congratulations with your JT65 QSO. I hope you found it worthwhile > and will continue using that mode! So far I noticed that it's given life to what otherwise seemed like a "dead" 15m. Best DX was FK8HN in New Caledonia about an hour ago. That would be a new one if he uploads to LoTW as we're already confirmed on eQSL. So far, I have found that it's not quite like shooting fish in a barrel. A lot of my calls went unanswered as I could see some other station being worked by the station I had called. 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From bob.novas at verizon.net Mon Dec 26 19:03:19 2016 From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 19:03:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] reflow solder K-pod power resistor Message-ID: <03c201d25fd4$a1f5c630$e5e15290$@verizon.net> I successfully reflow soldered the surface mount 6.8 ohm resistor across R82 in my K3S today. It took me a while to get my courage up, but it worked out well. In the kind of reflow soldering I used, you melt some solder and flux on the tip of a temperature controlled iron, and then, while holding the SMD part to be soldered to the board in its final location, touch the iron tip to the surface mount part one one side and then the other until it heats up and solder flows (the "reflow"). It's hard to hold everything perfectly still, but you can take a couple cracks at it until you get it right. Bob - W3DK From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Dec 26 19:24:27 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 19:24:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] reflow solder K-pod power resistor In-Reply-To: <03c201d25fd4$a1f5c630$e5e15290$@verizon.net> References: <03c201d25fd4$a1f5c630$e5e15290$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8db98e5c-9cf3-fb26-60c5-f02c568c5c56@embarqmail.com> Bob, It is good to hear that you were successful. However, I have a reservations about your recommended technique. Yes, a small bit of solder on the iron is required to conduct heat to the already soldered junction, but you should add a wee bit of fresh solder to the joint while reflowing. The reason -- the heat of the soldering iron will vaporize the flux quickly, probably before you can touch the iron to the joint -- as a result, there is no flux left, and that is what the solder connection likely needs most - a bit of added flux. So, yes put a small bit of solder on the iron and then touch it to the connection. As soon as the solder begins to flow, touch the joint with your flux core solder to complete the job. The use of small diameter solder prevents you from getting excessive solder on the joint/board/etc. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/26/2016 7:03 PM, Bob Novas wrote: > I successfully reflow soldered the surface mount 6.8 ohm resistor across R82 > in my K3S today. It took me a while to get my courage up, but it worked out > well. > > > > In the kind of reflow soldering I used, you melt some solder and flux on the > tip of a temperature controlled iron, and then, while holding the SMD part > to be soldered to the board in its final location, touch the iron tip to the > surface mount part one one side and then the other until it heats up and > solder flows (the "reflow"). It's hard to hold everything perfectly still, > but you can take a couple cracks at it until you get it right. From ml.hogan at gmail.com Mon Dec 26 19:45:59 2016 From: ml.hogan at gmail.com (Mark Hogan) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 00:45:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power socket In-Reply-To: <506748.54209.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <506748.54209.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have SN 31, I recently finished our house and setup the shack. Radios been boxed about a year since we moved. It was a desk rig at the last house with a occasional trip to the back yard. When I plug it in to 12v I get nothing. I unplugged and plugged it in several times and got voltage to charge the batts. Looking in the hole it appears the sockets got one leg loose on the board. Was that a issue or am I one of the special kids? :) Mark Hogan N5OBC From bob.novas at verizon.net Mon Dec 26 19:46:42 2016 From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 19:46:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] reflow solder K-pod power resistor In-Reply-To: <8db98e5c-9cf3-fb26-60c5-f02c568c5c56@embarqmail.com> References: <03c201d25fd4$a1f5c630$e5e15290$@verizon.net> <8db98e5c-9cf3-fb26-60c5-f02c568c5c56@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <03c701d25fda$b1246f70$136d4e50$@verizon.net> Don - I literally touch the iron to the solder, and then touch the part with the iron conveying the solder and flux. You have to be quick. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 7:24 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] reflow solder K-pod power resistor Bob, It is good to hear that you were successful. However, I have a reservations about your recommended technique. Yes, a small bit of solder on the iron is required to conduct heat to the already soldered junction, but you should add a wee bit of fresh solder to the joint while reflowing. The reason -- the heat of the soldering iron will vaporize the flux quickly, probably before you can touch the iron to the joint -- as a result, there is no flux left, and that is what the solder connection likely needs most - a bit of added flux. So, yes put a small bit of solder on the iron and then touch it to the connection. As soon as the solder begins to flow, touch the joint with your flux core solder to complete the job. The use of small diameter solder prevents you from getting excessive solder on the joint/board/etc. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/26/2016 7:03 PM, Bob Novas wrote: > I successfully reflow soldered the surface mount 6.8 ohm resistor > across R82 in my K3S today. It took me a while to get my courage up, > but it worked out well. > > > > In the kind of reflow soldering I used, you melt some solder and flux > on the tip of a temperature controlled iron, and then, while holding > the SMD part to be soldered to the board in its final location, touch > the iron tip to the surface mount part one one side and then the other > until it heats up and solder flows (the "reflow"). It's hard to hold > everything perfectly still, but you can take a couple cracks at it until you get it right. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net From z_kevino at hotmail.com Mon Dec 26 19:48:33 2016 From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 00:48:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PA / ANT errors Message-ID: I have a kx3 --> kxpa100 -> kat500 hooked up. Both the kx3 and kxpa100 have internal tuners in bypass mode. With the kat500 in manual mode, I press the tune button on the kat500 to force a tune. When I press the XMIT button on the kx3, I often get an error on the kx3. It complains about an antenna or PA error. It doesn't do this if I place the KAT500 in bypass and use the kxpa100's tuner. So I'm wondering why I am getting these errors, as (even after getting the error) the tuner sees 1.2 or less SWR. It's more of a pain in the butt, because I have to do a few more button presses to clear the error and use the kx3. Ideas ? If you're wondering why I have it this way, it's because my KPA500 is going back to elecraft for transformer hum (or it would be between the kxpa100 and the KAT500). -Kevin (KK4YEL) ----- The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence. ----- The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence. From riese-k3djc at juno.com Mon Dec 26 20:19:36 2016 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 20:19:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] reflow solder K-pod power resistor Message-ID: radio shack and others have acid free soldering flux I find a toothpick tip holds enough to solder a component touch the flow point and leave a bit of flux cleans up well with a bit of alcohol ect Bob K3DJC On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 19:03:19 -0500 "Bob Novas" writes: > I successfully reflow soldered the surface mount 6.8 ohm resistor > across R82 > in my K3S today. It took me a while to get my courage up, but it > worked out > well. > > > > In the kind of reflow soldering I used, you melt some solder and > flux on the > tip of a temperature controlled iron, and then, while holding the > SMD part > to be soldered to the board in its final location, touch the iron > tip to the > surface mount part one one side and then the other until it heats up > and > solder flows (the "reflow"). It's hard to hold everything perfectly > still, > but you can take a couple cracks at it until you get it right. > > > > Bob - W3DK > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to riese-k3djc at juno.com > From jim at sailidaho.com Mon Dec 26 20:27:54 2016 From: jim at sailidaho.com (Jim Larson) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 18:27:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig Microphone Question Message-ID: <50AF457D-923B-45DA-927C-D18FEFEC368E@sailidaho.com> I have a K3S connected to a remote K3 using the RemoteRig boxes. With the MH2 hand mic everything works great, but with my new Heil ProSet with the iC element (purchased from Elecraft), I do not get any transmit audio at all. Running the ProSet into the local K3S (no RemoteRig), I am getting audio out, so I know the headset is fine. Is there a configuration change that needs to be made on the RemoteRig to work with this ProSet iC element? Thanks, Jim - KK7A From mattz at elecraft.com Mon Dec 26 20:28:52 2016 From: mattz at elecraft.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 17:28:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power socket In-Reply-To: References: <506748.54209.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6e68deb0-2373-4148-3320-694a59fe5882@elecraft.com> Mark, It's happened before, usually because the power cable was pulled out with too much side (off-axis) force. I don't know of any other cause. 73, matt W6NIA On 12/26/2016 4:45 PM, Mark Hogan wrote: > I have SN 31, I recently finished our house and setup the shack. Radios > been boxed about a year since we moved. It was a desk rig at the last > house with a occasional trip to the back yard. > When I plug it in to 12v I get nothing. I unplugged and plugged it in > several times and got voltage to charge the batts. Looking in the hole it > appears the sockets got one leg loose on the board. Was that a issue or am > I one of the special kids? :) > > Mark Hogan N5OBC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- Matt Zilmer, W6NIA www.elecraft.com Office: 831-763-4211 x125 Mobile: 909-730-6552 [Shiraz] From dj0qn at gmx.net Mon Dec 26 20:35:47 2016 From: dj0qn at gmx.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mitch_Wolfson=2c_DJ=c3=98QN_/_K7DX?=) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 20:35:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig Microphone Question In-Reply-To: <50AF457D-923B-45DA-927C-D18FEFEC368E@sailidaho.com> References: <50AF457D-923B-45DA-927C-D18FEFEC368E@sailidaho.com> Message-ID: Jim, Is the Heil plugged into the rear, or the front? If in the rea, then you must first unplug the RRC to prevent a remote connect, then switch the audio to the rear jack. If you leave the RRC's connected, you will only change the remote K3 and not the control K3. 73, Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109 Skype: mitchwo USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171 Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 On 26.12.2016 20:27, Jim Larson wrote: > I have a K3S connected to a remote K3 using the RemoteRig boxes. With the MH2 hand mic everything works great, but with my new Heil ProSet with the iC element (purchased from Elecraft), I do not get any transmit audio at all. Running the ProSet into the local K3S (no RemoteRig), I am getting audio out, so I know the headset is fine. > > Is there a configuration change that needs to be made on the RemoteRig to work with this ProSet iC element? > > Thanks, Jim - KK7A > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dj0qn at arrl.net > From jim at sailidaho.com Mon Dec 26 20:49:38 2016 From: jim at sailidaho.com (Jim Larson) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 18:49:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig Microphone Question In-Reply-To: References: <50AF457D-923B-45DA-927C-D18FEFEC368E@sailidaho.com> Message-ID: <583113B7-A068-4682-866A-017A71FC37F8@sailidaho.com> Hi Mitch. Thanks for the response. The Heil is plugged into the front AUX/MIC jack. The headset first goes through the adapter changing the 1/8? plug to plug compatible with the front of the K3S. That plug then goes into a second adapter that converts it into the RJ45 plug that connects to the AUX/MIC jack. From what I can gather, then iC element is a condenser type that must be powered. I?m guessing the K3S supplies that voltage since it works locally. The RemoteRig manual says the following: "Control-RRC only: JMP-1 is placed behind the TTL connector. With the strap in place a DC voltage is feed to the microphone element. All ICOM microphones should be DC-feed. Dynamic microphones like the ones used by Kenwood should not be DC-feed. HEIL microphones should not be DC-feed either." It kind of contradicts since it states that Hiel mics should not be DC fed, but maybe that was for the older HC4/5 elements. Anyway, all of the pieces were purchase from Elecraft, so I would assume they would all work together. :-) Jim > On Dec 26, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Mitch Wolfson, DJ?QN / K7DX wrote: > > Jim, > > Is the Heil plugged into the rear, or the front? If in the rea, then you must first unplug the RRC to prevent a remote connect, then switch the audio to the rear jack. If you leave the RRC's connected, you will only change the remote K3 and not the control K3. > > 73, > Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX > > Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX > 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109 > Skype: mitchwo > USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171 > Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 > > On 26.12.2016 20:27, Jim Larson wrote: >> I have a K3S connected to a remote K3 using the RemoteRig boxes. With the MH2 hand mic everything works great, but with my new Heil ProSet with the iC element (purchased from Elecraft), I do not get any transmit audio at all. Running the ProSet into the local K3S (no RemoteRig), I am getting audio out, so I know the headset is fine. >> >> Is there a configuration change that needs to be made on the RemoteRig to work with this ProSet iC element? >> >> Thanks, Jim - KK7A >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dj0qn at arrl.net >> > From nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com Mon Dec 26 20:53:48 2016 From: nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com (Niel Skousen) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 18:53:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 available ?? Repairs needed ok ... Message-ID: <60BB047D-671E-45CA-861A-FA3BD2F52A74@ecsecurityinc.com> Good afternoon All, This is a long shot question, but does anyone have an un-used KX1 ( even if assembly was never finished or needing repairs) available for sale ? Please advise off line, Thanks && 73 Niel WA7SSA Sent from my iPhone From w6jhb at me.com Mon Dec 26 21:02:56 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 18:02:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KXPA100 Operational Questions (2) Message-ID: <4F7FB22E-3A00-49A4-970B-A9BA81233F4D@me.com> Today is my first day with my newly-assembled KXPA100 and the KXAT100. They work very well with the KX3 as I had hoped. I do have two questions on the operation of the units. Well, actually three questions: 1) When I run WSPR mode with two watts output, the KX3 is showing 2.0 W but the amp has the first bar (25) lit up. I am hoping/assuming that this is normal and it really is putting out two watts, and not 25?? 2) With the KX3 set at two watts output I notice that the amp ?ON? light turns on and off about every three seconds. Is this just a ?reminder? to me that the KX3 is not putting out enough power to make the amp do any RF amplification? 3) Prior to having the amp and tuner, the KX3 LCD display would only show ?ATU? if it?s internal tuner was enabled. The manual indicates that this internal tuner is automatically bypassed when the KX3 has been told it is using a KXPA100. The ?ATU? now is showing all the time. I can tell that the KXAT100 is in use as I hear it clicking when I tune to a new band segment. Can I assume that seeing the ?ATU? displayed is normal, too? Thanks, Jim / W6JHB From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Dec 26 21:48:41 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 21:48:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power socket In-Reply-To: References: <506748.54209.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <937BEAAE-6FB1-461D-A3D3-FAED9019E0F4@widomaker.com> I think you should contact customer support at Elecraft. I believe there was an issue with early radios not being epoxied to the pcb. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 26, 2016, at 7:45 PM, Mark Hogan wrote: > > I have SN 31, I recently finished our house and setup the shack. Radios > been boxed about a year since we moved. It was a desk rig at the last > house with a occasional trip to the back yard. > When I plug it in to 12v I get nothing. I unplugged and plugged it in > several times and got voltage to charge the batts. Looking in the hole it > appears the sockets got one leg loose on the board. Was that a issue or am > I one of the special kids? :) > > Mark Hogan N5OBC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From ron at cobi.biz Mon Dec 26 22:45:13 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 19:45:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] reflow solder K-pod power resistor In-Reply-To: <03c701d25fda$b1246f70$136d4e50$@verizon.net> References: <03c201d25fd4$a1f5c630$e5e15290$@verizon.net> <8db98e5c-9cf3-fb26-60c5-f02c568c5c56@embarqmail.com> <03c701d25fda$b1246f70$136d4e50$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000301d25ff3$a1e3acb0$e5ab0610$@biz> Bob: Your technique works FB for me for reflowing when there already is some solder on both ends of the connection. Flux is important to me only when soldering to a clean, un-tinned surface such as a bare component lead or bare copper trace. Heating the bare metal causes instant oxidation which the flux cuts nicely. But if I have two surfaces tinned with solder adding a tiny bit more solder via the soldering iron tip is quite sufficient. Many SMD parts, especially low value resistors conduct heat so well that heating one end to melt the solder usually melts the solder at the other end too. I've learned to hold the part in place with a toothpick while reheating the joint. Otherwise the part sometimes seems to "disappear". It's actually stuck to the soldering iron tip, Hi! At the other extreme, when I'm adding a small SMD part to a bare un-tinned trace, I usually start with a tiny drop of liquid rosin flux on the aforementioned toothpick applied to the bare metal, then set the part in place, hold it steady (again with the toothpick) while I pick up a tiny drop of solder and touch the joint to flow it between the part and trace. A bottle of liquid flux is a great "tool" for any solder jockey's bench. I have a little 2 fl oz (50 ml) bottle that I bought at least 15 years ago. I've used about one tenth of it so far. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Novas Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 4:47 PM To: donwilh at embarqmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] reflow solder K-pod power resistor Don - I literally touch the iron to the solder, and then touch the part with the iron conveying the solder and flux. You have to be quick. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 7:24 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] reflow solder K-pod power resistor Bob, It is good to hear that you were successful. However, I have a reservations about your recommended technique. Yes, a small bit of solder on the iron is required to conduct heat to the already soldered junction, but you should add a wee bit of fresh solder to the joint while reflowing. The reason -- the heat of the soldering iron will vaporize the flux quickly, probably before you can touch the iron to the joint -- as a result, there is no flux left, and that is what the solder connection likely needs most - a bit of added flux. So, yes put a small bit of solder on the iron and then touch it to the connection. As soon as the solder begins to flow, touch the joint with your flux core solder to complete the job. The use of small diameter solder prevents you from getting excessive solder on the joint/board/etc. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/26/2016 7:03 PM, Bob Novas wrote: > I successfully reflow soldered the surface mount 6.8 ohm resistor > across R82 in my K3S today. It took me a while to get my courage up, > but it worked out well. > > > > In the kind of reflow soldering I used, you melt some solder and flux > on the tip of a temperature controlled iron, and then, while holding > the SMD part to be soldered to the board in its final location, touch > the iron tip to the surface mount part one one side and then the other > until it heats up and solder flows (the "reflow"). It's hard to hold > everything perfectly still, but you can take a couple cracks at it > until you get it right. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net From wd8dky at gmail.com Mon Dec 26 22:55:17 2016 From: wd8dky at gmail.com (Paul Knight) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 21:55:17 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: XV50 6M Transverter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Must be working 100% and in good, non-smoking condition. I'll need to see some pics, and will pay with PayPal. 73, Paul WD8DKY From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Dec 26 23:50:45 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 19:50:45 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) Message-ID: <201612270450.uBR4ok6a027328@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Nate, I have WSJT-X v1.7.0 installed so I looked at my transmit frequency with Split set to "Rig" on the settings/Radio tab. I see the K3 transmit 1.2 KHz high which is correct since JT65 uses a 1220 Hz tone modulated onto the carrier in USB mode. I then tested with Split set to None and see the same frequency displayed when pressing TUNE on WSJT-X. This just reinforces that Tx is on the same frequency as Rx unless you actually set VFO-B to a different freq. I'm guessing you have LSB selected on the K3 to have transmit lower than carrier, which would also be normal running JT65. But I wonder what the proper standard is for 160-80-40m for running JT65. My understanding was you always run JT65 in USB. This is a setting done using the DATA MD button (AFX PRESS-HOLD) where you select DATA-A in USB. In either case your carrier freq is still equal to Rx frequency displayed by both WSJT-X and the radio VFO-A. BTW I configure Mode: None and get the same function under JT65 so you do not need to select Data/Pkt when running the K3, as long as you run DATA-A on the K3. I made my tests on 2m but should be the same on HF. I have run JT65 on 2m-eme since 2005 using many versions of the sw over the years. 73, Ed - KL7UW Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 14:25:01 -0600 From: Nate Bargmann To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and WSJT-X 1.7 Message-ID: <20161226202501.GH3974 at n0nb.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My K3 has FW 5.50 and I made my first JT65 QSO with WSJT-X 1.7 today. I have the configuration as recommended--Mode :Data/Pkt, Split Operation: Rig. I am also using CAT for the PTT Method. I've made a couple of calls with the radio in Split mode and VFO B is 1 kHz lower than VFO A. I am definitely seeing power out. As I'm not using VOX, could that be related? 73, Nate, N0NB 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From jim at sailidaho.com Mon Dec 26 23:57:42 2016 From: jim at sailidaho.com (Jim Larson) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 21:57:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig Microphone Question In-Reply-To: <583113B7-A068-4682-866A-017A71FC37F8@sailidaho.com> References: <50AF457D-923B-45DA-927C-D18FEFEC368E@sailidaho.com> <583113B7-A068-4682-866A-017A71FC37F8@sailidaho.com> Message-ID: I figured out what the problem was. I was using the XMIT button on the front of the K3S to go to transmit mode. The TX light turned on, but no audio was passed. I then plugged in a foot switch on the mic cable and the remote goes into transmit mode and passes audio. It appears to have been user error on my part, thinking that the XMIT button would do the trick. Thanks for the input from a couple of guys. 73, Jim - KK7A > On Dec 26, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Jim Larson wrote: > > Hi Mitch. Thanks for the response. > > The Heil is plugged into the front AUX/MIC jack. The headset first goes through the adapter changing the 1/8? plug to plug compatible with the front of the K3S. That plug then goes into a second adapter that converts it into the RJ45 plug that connects to the AUX/MIC jack. > > From what I can gather, then iC element is a condenser type that must be powered. I?m guessing the K3S supplies that voltage since it works locally. The RemoteRig manual says the following: > > "Control-RRC only: JMP-1 is placed behind the TTL connector. With the strap in place a DC voltage is feed to the microphone element. All ICOM microphones should be DC-feed. Dynamic microphones like the ones used by Kenwood should not be DC-feed. HEIL microphones should not be DC-feed either." > It kind of contradicts since it states that Hiel mics should not be DC fed, but maybe that was for the older HC4/5 elements. > > Anyway, all of the pieces were purchase from Elecraft, so I would assume they would all work together. :-) > > Jim > > >> On Dec 26, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Mitch Wolfson, DJ?QN / K7DX > wrote: >> >> Jim, >> >> Is the Heil plugged into the rear, or the front? If in the rea, then you must first unplug the RRC to prevent a remote connect, then switch the audio to the rear jack. If you leave the RRC's connected, you will only change the remote K3 and not the control K3. >> >> 73, >> Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX >> >> Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX >> 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109 >> Skype: mitchwo >> USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171 >> Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 >> >> On 26.12.2016 20:27, Jim Larson wrote: >>> I have a K3S connected to a remote K3 using the RemoteRig boxes. With the MH2 hand mic everything works great, but with my new Heil ProSet with the iC element (purchased from Elecraft), I do not get any transmit audio at all. Running the ProSet into the local K3S (no RemoteRig), I am getting audio out, so I know the headset is fine. >>> >>> Is there a configuration change that needs to be made on the RemoteRig to work with this ProSet iC element? >>> >>> Thanks, Jim - KK7A >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to dj0qn at arrl.net >>> >> > From no5w.chuck at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 00:16:02 2016 From: no5w.chuck at gmail.com (Charles Sanders) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 23:16:02 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] I'm looking for terminal program for the K3 (Harry Yingst) Message-ID: Harry -- I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for but you might check out K3 Soft Panel which I wrote a few years ago to see if it might be of interest. Feel free to download it and to follow up with any questions. 73/Chuck/NO5W . From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Dec 27 00:27:16 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 20:27:16 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] RE reflow solder K-pod power resistor Message-ID: <201612270527.uBR5RG69013094@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> How I install SMD chip components is: First tin one pad on the pcb with the iron (a little solder applied before touching the pad is enough). Then using a pair of jewelers tweezers hold the SMD component on the surface the pcb close to the tinned pad but not touching it. Apply your tinned solder iron tip to the pad and carefully slide the component onto the pad so it touches the tip of the iron. Hold briefly then remove the iron while holding the component in position. If it soldered to the pcb it will not move when you remove the tweezers. Now solder the other end of the component using the iron with a little solder applied (briefly); the solder should flow nicely. Remove the iron. Go back to the original end of the of the component and solder it using a little solder; It will flow as well. Now it is properly installed. You can check to see if solder shorted across by using a ohmmeter in continuity mode. If you are unlucky and solder shorted across the component, you will need two solder iron to remove the component without breaking it. Use of solder wick will remove the solder bridge after the component is removed, and then you start all over from the beginning. GL. I assembled twelve DEMI transverters and eight 2m amplifier kits last year, so have some experience doing SMD. 73, Ed - KL7UW Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 19:03:19 -0500 From: "Bob Novas" To: Subject: [Elecraft] reflow solder K-pod power resistor Message-ID: <03c201d25fd4$a1f5c630$e5e15290$@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I successfully reflow soldered the surface mount 6.8 ohm resistor across R82 in my K3S today. It took me a while to get my courage up, but it worked out well. In the kind of reflow soldering I used, you melt some solder and flux on the tip of a temperature controlled iron, and then, while holding the SMD part to be soldered to the board in its final location, touch the iron tip to the surface mount part one one side and then the other until it heats up and solder flows (the "reflow"). It's hard to hold everything perfectly still, but you can take a couple cracks at it until you get it right. Bob - W3DK 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From n7tb at comcast.net Tue Dec 27 01:33:41 2016 From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 22:33:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna question Message-ID: <008b01d2600b$2af3c050$80db40f0$@comcast.net> Hello Group, I currently use a doublet about 63 ft. on each side feeding 300 ohm twin lead line into an Elecraft balun, then coax to my KX3. I am going to be going to New Zealand for about three weeks during February, and I am seriously considering taking my KX3 with me and operate N7TB/ZL. I just don't want to take the doublet because of size. I have one of the BNC to binding posts adapters for my KX3, and that seems like the best solution, I just don't know how long my antenna wire should be, or the counterpoise. I would appreciate any suggestions. I would like to have the ability to operate 80, 40, 30, 20, but I could get by without 80 meters. I would also be interested to find out from any Kiwi operators what the current band conditions are in NZ. It will be later in the Summer in the Southern Hemisphere when I am there, so I would hope conditions on the 80 and 40 meter bands will be better than what we are currently experiencing in the No. Hemisphere. Thanks in advance for any advice you can give me. Very 73's, Terry, N7TB From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Dec 27 02:12:09 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 23:12:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna question In-Reply-To: <008b01d2600b$2af3c050$80db40f0$@comcast.net> References: <008b01d2600b$2af3c050$80db40f0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <34CDACFA-F82A-470F-A908-35FB6EF5D21A@wunderwood.org> For 80 meters, try a 53 foot wire in the air. For 40 meters and up, try a wire 26 to 29 feet long. I use a 16 foot wire laying on the ground. That length either isn?t critical, or changes electrical length due to capacitance to RF ground at every site. Or both. Whatever, the ATU seems to deal with it. I assume you have the ATU. I have been using camping clothesline reels for the wire, but they don?t wind up very smoothly. I just got some ?midi? wire winders from SOTAbeams (http://www.sotabeams.co.uk/midi-winders/ ). The regular winders are longer than my KX3. Haven?t used them yet. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 26, 2016, at 10:33 PM, Terry Brown wrote: > > Hello Group, > > > > I currently use a doublet about 63 ft. on each side feeding 300 ohm twin > lead line into an Elecraft balun, then coax to my KX3. > > > > I am going to be going to New Zealand for about three weeks during February, > and I am seriously considering taking my KX3 with me and operate N7TB/ZL. I > just don't want to take the doublet because of size. I have one of the BNC > to binding posts adapters for my KX3, and that seems like the best solution, > I just don't know how long my antenna wire should be, or the counterpoise. > I would appreciate any suggestions. I would like to have the ability to > operate 80, 40, 30, 20, but I could get by without 80 meters. > > > > I would also be interested to find out from any Kiwi operators what the > current band conditions are in NZ. It will be later in the Summer in the > Southern Hemisphere when I am there, so I would hope conditions on the 80 > and 40 meter bands will be better than what we are currently experiencing in > the No. Hemisphere. > > > > Thanks in advance for any advice you can give me. > > > > Very 73's, > > > > Terry, N7TB > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From ik8ozzluigi at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 03:56:11 2016 From: ik8ozzluigi at gmail.com (ik8ozzluigi at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 09:56:11 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] submission Message-ID: From keith.hutt at virgin.net Tue Dec 27 04:39:22 2016 From: keith.hutt at virgin.net (Keith Hutt) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 09:39:22 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna Message-ID: I will second the 53ft of wire though i use 2 x16 ft counterpoises with my KX2 Regards Keith G0TSH For 80 meters, try a 53 foot wire in the air. For 40 meters and up, try a wire 26 to 29 feet long. I use a 16 foot wire laying on the ground. That length either isn?t critical, or changes electrical length due to capacitance to RF ground at every site. Or both. Whatever, the ATU seems to deal with it. I assume you have the ATU. I have been using camping clothesline reels for the wire, but they don?t wind up very smoothly. I just got some ?midi? wire winders from SOTAbeams (http://www.sotabeams.co.uk/midi-winders/ ). The regular winders are longer than my KX3. Haven?t used them yet. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 26, 2016, at 10:33 PM, Terry Brown wrote: > > Hello Group, > > > > I currently use a doublet about 63 ft. on each side feeding 300 ohm twin > lead line into an Elecraft balun, then coax to my KX3. > > > > I am going to be going to New Zealand for about three weeks during February, > and I am seriously considering taking my KX3 with me and operate N7TB/ZL. I > just don't want to take the doublet because of size. I have one of the BNC > to binding posts adapters for my KX3, and that seems like the best solution, > I just don't know how long my antenna wire should be, or the counterpoise. > I would appreciate any suggestions. I would like to have the ability to > operate 80, 40, 30, 20, but I could get by without 80 meters. > > > > I would also be interested to find out from any Kiwi operators what the > current band conditions are in NZ. It will be later in the Summer in the > Southern Hemisphere when I am there, so I would hope conditions on the 80 > and 40 meter bands will be better than what we are currently experiencing in > the No. Hemisphere. > > > > Thanks in advance for any advice you can give me. > > > > Very 73's, > > > > Terry, N7TB > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to keith.hutt at virgin.net From n0nb at n0nb.us Tue Dec 27 07:10:26 2016 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 06:10:26 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <201612270450.uBR4ok6a027328@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201612270450.uBR4ok6a027328@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <20161227121026.GL3974@n0nb.us> Hi Ed, and all. I'm not sure where the confusion lies, perhaps I did not communicate well. I'm not seeing any problem. I have my rig control settings exactly as recommended in the WSJT-X user guide. All I wanted to point out is whether the use of VOX as reported was the cause for the loss of TX audio. I have WSJT-X set to use CAT for PTT. As presumably the OP is already using radio control, it makes little sense to me to use VOX. By setting PTT via CAT, spurious sounds from the computer will not cause the radio to transmit. 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From paulc22 at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 27 09:37:42 2016 From: paulc22 at sbcglobal.net (Paul C) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 08:37:42 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] No"tun" for my KX1 Message-ID: <641678.34087.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I was wondering if Elecraft has a real tech support phone number or official support email address aside from this user forum. I ask because I am a novice to this rig and QRP in general, and I have several short critical questions which are much too tedious for email. Construction went smoothly but now I'm at the testing point and I'm a little uncertain on what to expect. The manual is a little vague. I guess I need a genuine tutorial. I called the number lists in the manual and it was disconnected. Thank you, Paul KG5KXG From paulc22 at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 27 09:43:54 2016 From: paulc22 at sbcglobal.net (Paul C) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 08:43:54 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies Message-ID: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel. They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks. I measured the resistance at 51 ohms. Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? Paul KG5KXG From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 09:46:33 2016 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 09:46:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] No"tun" for my KX1 In-Reply-To: <641678.34087.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <641678.34087.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Paul, Email support at elecraft.com, and go from there. The Elecraft support team will take very good care of you. Good luck, and Happy New Year! 73 de, Ian, KM4IK On Dec 27, 2016 9:40 AM, "Paul C" wrote: I was wondering if Elecraft has a real tech support phone number or official support email address aside from this user forum. I ask because I am a novice to this rig and QRP in general, and I have several short critical questions which are much too tedious for email. Construction went smoothly but now I'm at the testing point and I'm a little uncertain on what to expect. The manual is a little vague. I guess I need a genuine tutorial. I called the number lists in the manual and it was disconnected. Thank you, Paul KG5KXG ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com From n6fb at aol.com Tue Dec 27 10:17:17 2016 From: n6fb at aol.com (n6fb at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 10:17:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Price reduced on K3-100 and accessories Message-ID: <15940db64eb-1614-1fc20@webprd-a81.mail.aol.com> I must leave ham radio due to failing eyesight. I am selling my K3 with mike plus Astron power supply, Total price is $1575.. All equipment is factory new. For the cw crowd I will include at no extra cost a Ham Gadgets keyer and a bluetooth- connected keyboard. The K3 has the ATU, 400hz roofing filter, and voice recorder installed. Contact me at N6FB @aol.com for details From buddy at brannan.name Tue Dec 27 10:25:55 2016 From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 10:25:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Price reduced on K3-100 and accessories In-Reply-To: <15940db64eb-1614-1fc20@webprd-a81.mail.aol.com> References: <15940db64eb-1614-1fc20@webprd-a81.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <96238C60-A6C8-4086-817A-9EE579BCD3D3@brannan.name> No, you mustn't. There's absolutely no reason you have to get rid of your K3 because you're losing your eyesight, absolutely none. If you want to leave ham radio for some other reason, that's another thing, but blindness doesn't, and shouldn't, stop you from enjoying ham radio. In the case of the K3, the K3 software works really well with screen reader software, and presumably with screen enlargement software as well. If you want to operate the K3 standalone, i.e. without a computer, here's a great solution: http://www.hampod.com/ This gadget will make absolutely all K3 functions speak. You can get voice output of every function, including, I'm told, RTTY/PSK/cw decode. There are lots of blind hams. I know of a few of them, including me, on this list, and a few ore that are happy Elecraft users. If you want help or to talk over your other options with other blind hams, here's an email reflector: blind-hams-subscribe at porkcast.net Vy 73, -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: buddy at brannan.name > On Dec 27, 2016, at 10:17 AM, William Hartman via Elecraft wrote: > > I must leave ham radio due to failing eyesight. I am selling my K3 with mike plus Astron power supply, Total price is $1575.. All equipment is factory new. For the cw crowd I will include at no extra cost a Ham Gadgets keyer and a bluetooth- connected keyboard. The K3 has the ATU, 400hz roofing filter, and voice recorder installed. Contact me at N6FB @aol.com for details > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to buddy at brannan.name From kevin at k4vd.net Tue Dec 27 10:47:57 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 10:47:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ?Plenty close enough. Only issue I can think of (besides the normal safety stuff) is to make sure the resistors are not of the wirewound variety. Kev K4VD From kengkopp at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 11:20:28 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 09:20:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Paul, Kevin is likely correct. If those two resistors have a sand-like finish they're almost certain to be wire wound and therefore will have some inductance, which will cause your load to give "uncertain" results. Your 51 ohm would be OK. Your ohmmeter isn't -that- accurate, after all. Elecraft sells a nice load kit that has an additional feature of a calibrated wattmeter output. 73 Ken Kopp - K0PP On Dec 27, 2016 7:44 AM, "Paul C" wrote: I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel. They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks. I measured the resistance at 51 ohms. Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? Paul KG5KXG ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com From ml.hogan at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 11:33:11 2016 From: ml.hogan at gmail.com (Mark Hogan) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 10:33:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power socket In-Reply-To: <6e68deb0-2373-4148-3320-694a59fe5882@elecraft.com> References: <506748.54209.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6e68deb0-2373-4148-3320-694a59fe5882@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Thanks folks, Well I got a 125? end fed hung this morning, actually added wire to my old 53? and my home brew EARCHI balun from the last house. The KX3 is tuning it well 40 and below, struggled on 80/160 but made 2.4 and 2.6 on each. I?ll probably mess with that more later. Now for chores around here and tonight I?ll look inside to see what the damage is and see can I get it with my WTCPT and the tiny tip. I should be up on the SKCC frees tonight or in a day or so. Need to find myself before K3Y starts :) Mark Hogan N5OBC > On Dec 26, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > > Mark, > > It's happened before, usually because the power cable was pulled out with too much side (off-axis) force. I don't know of any other cause. > > 73, > > matt W6NIA > > > On 12/26/2016 4:45 PM, Mark Hogan wrote: >> I have SN 31, I recently finished our house and setup the shack. Radios >> been boxed about a year since we moved. It was a desk rig at the last >> house with a occasional trip to the back yard. >> When I plug it in to 12v I get nothing. I unplugged and plugged it in >> several times and got voltage to charge the batts. Looking in the hole it >> appears the sockets got one leg loose on the board. Was that a issue or am >> I one of the special kids? :) >> >> Mark Hogan N5OBC >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com > > -- > Matt Zilmer, W6NIA > www.elecraft.com > Office: 831-763-4211 x125 > Mobile: 909-730-6552 > [Shiraz] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ml.hogan at gmail.com From ai6do at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 11:16:58 2016 From: ai6do at yahoo.com (Ryan Noguchi) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 16:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <598709573.2522527.1482855418435@mail.yahoo.com> >I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel.? They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks.? I measured the resistance at 51 ohms.? Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? >Paul KG5KXG If your impedance is really 51 ohms, that's an SWR of 1.02. If your antenna had an SWR of 1.02, would you trim it to get to 1.00, fire up your tuner, or just start operating? However, some of those resistors that look like bricks are really coils (inductors) inside, which produce a higher impedance than the DC resistance. Under RF excitation, that dummy load may be well above 51 ohms impedance.? 73, Ryan AI6DO From ai6do at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 11:16:58 2016 From: ai6do at yahoo.com (Ryan Noguchi) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 16:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <598709573.2522527.1482855418435@mail.yahoo.com> >I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel.? They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks.? I measured the resistance at 51 ohms.? Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? >Paul KG5KXG If your impedance is really 51 ohms, that's an SWR of 1.02. If your antenna had an SWR of 1.02, would you trim it to get to 1.00, fire up your tuner, or just start operating? However, some of those resistors that look like bricks are really coils (inductors) inside, which produce a higher impedance than the DC resistance. Under RF excitation, that dummy load may be well above 51 ohms impedance.? 73, Ryan AI6DO From ml.hogan at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 11:55:43 2016 From: ml.hogan at gmail.com (Mark Hogan) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 10:55:43 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power socket In-Reply-To: References: <506748.54209.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6e68deb0-2373-4148-3320-694a59fe5882@elecraft.com> Message-ID: No such luck. Looks like two of the pads lifted off the board. The little tyke has to go to the mothership for repairs :( and they?re closed today so there will be another delay till tomorrow to send it in. I suppose I?ll take advantage of that to have the two meter board added and see if theres other things that should or can be updated while its there for repairs. I?ll have to find the box I saw that SGC 2020 in and pull it into service. That or hang with my single band rigs. Mark Hogan N5OBC > On Dec 27, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Mark Hogan wrote: > > > Thanks folks, > > Well I got a 125? end fed hung this morning, actually added wire to my old 53? and my home brew EARCHI balun from the last house. The KX3 is tuning it well 40 and below, struggled on 80/160 but made 2.4 and 2.6 on each. I?ll probably mess with that more later. Now for chores around here and tonight I?ll look inside to see what the damage is and see can I get it with my WTCPT and the tiny tip. I should be up on the SKCC frees tonight or in a day or so. Need to find myself before K3Y starts :) > > Mark Hogan N5OBC > > > >> On Dec 26, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: >> >> Mark, >> >> It's happened before, usually because the power cable was pulled out with too much side (off-axis) force. I don't know of any other cause. >> >> 73, >> >> matt W6NIA >> >> >> On 12/26/2016 4:45 PM, Mark Hogan wrote: >>> I have SN 31, I recently finished our house and setup the shack. Radios >>> been boxed about a year since we moved. It was a desk rig at the last >>> house with a occasional trip to the back yard. >>> When I plug it in to 12v I get nothing. I unplugged and plugged it in >>> several times and got voltage to charge the batts. Looking in the hole it >>> appears the sockets got one leg loose on the board. Was that a issue or am >>> I one of the special kids? :) >>> >>> Mark Hogan N5OBC >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com >> >> -- >> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA >> www.elecraft.com >> Office: 831-763-4211 x125 >> Mobile: 909-730-6552 >> [Shiraz] >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ml.hogan at gmail.com > From eric at elecraft.com Tue Dec 27 12:37:28 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 09:37:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft office is closed Monday and Tuesday (12/26-7) for the holiday Message-ID: <13ca338a-3d42-750a-c265-7b0c43ff0141@elecraft.com> The Elecraft HQ office is closed Monday and Tuesday (12/27-8) for the holiday. We will be back in the office and on the phones and email tomorrow, Wed, 12/28. We hope you all are having a great holiday! 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 12:41:05 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:41:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <598709573.2522527.1482855418435@mail.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <598709573.2522527.1482855418435@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <513445401.1363306.1482860465464@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, and you should test the dummy load at the highest frequency you will be using it.? Even leaded non-inductive resistors will have a reactive component at higher frequencies. Frankly, I usually test them above the max frequency I intend to use it to not have any concern about error. Mel,? K6KBE From: Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft To: Paul C ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies >I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel.? They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks.? I measured the resistance at 51 ohms.? Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? >Paul KG5KXG If your impedance is really 51 ohms, that's an SWR of 1.02. If your antenna had an SWR of 1.02, would you trim it to get to 1.00, fire up your tuner, or just start operating? However, some of those resistors that look like bricks are really coils (inductors) inside, which produce a higher impedance than the DC resistance. Under RF excitation, that dummy load may be well above 51 ohms impedance.? 73, Ryan AI6DO? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From eric at elecraft.com Tue Dec 27 12:44:15 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 09:44:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Date Correction: Elecraft office is closed Monday and Tuesday (12/26-7) for the holiday In-Reply-To: <13ca338a-3d42-750a-c265-7b0c43ff0141@elecraft.com> References: <13ca338a-3d42-750a-c265-7b0c43ff0141@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Date Correction: Monday and Tuesday 12/26-7. Eric /elecraft.com/ On 12/27/2016 9:37 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > The Elecraft HQ office is closed Monday and Tuesday (12/27-8) for the holiday. > We will be back in the office and on the phones and email tomorrow, Wed, 12/28. > > We hope you all are having a great holiday! > > 73, > Eric > /elecraft.com/ > From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Dec 27 13:41:34 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 10:41:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <513445401.1363306.1482860465464@mail.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <598709573.2522527.1482855418435@mail.yahoo.com> <513445401.1363306.1482860465464@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you want a dummy load kit for about as much as you would pay for the box, I highly recommend the Oak Hills Research RFL-100 kit for $40. http://www.ohr.com/rfl100.htm I used their ?BNC in a UHF connector hole? kit to make my dummy load more convenient in my all-BNC shack. http://www.ohr.com/parts.htm wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 27, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > > Yes, and you should test the dummy load at the highest frequency you will be using it. Even leaded non-inductive resistors will have a reactive component at higher frequencies. > Frankly, I usually test them above the max frequency I intend to use it to not have any concern about error. > > Mel, K6KBE > > > From: Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft > To: Paul C ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 8:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies > >> I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel. They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks. I measured the resistance at 51 ohms. Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? > > > >> Paul KG5KXG > > > If your impedance is really 51 ohms, that's an SWR of 1.02. If your antenna had an SWR of 1.02, would you trim it to get to 1.00, fire up your tuner, or just start operating? > > However, some of those resistors that look like bricks are really coils (inductors) inside, which produce a higher impedance than the DC resistance. Under RF excitation, that dummy load may be well above 51 ohms impedance. > > 73, Ryan AI6DO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From mbabineau at magma.ca Tue Dec 27 13:48:58 2016 From: mbabineau at magma.ca (Michael Babineau) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 13:48:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna question Message-ID: <6F36EADA-74C7-4F0F-82D2-AAF7D340DD3C@magma.ca> If you want to cover 80m through 10m with a single wire try something in the range of 84 to 86 feet. This length is not a multiple of a half wave on any of the ham bands so it will present a reasonable impedance that can be be matched with a tuner and not surprisingly this is the W3EDP length. If you don?t care about 80m then the suggested 26 to 29 foot wire will work great (I personally recommend 28 to 29 feet as I have found that a 26 foot wire is sometimes a bit harder to match on 40m depending on how it is deployed). Ground radial length isn?t critical, but i suggest at least 1/8 wave on the lowest frequency of operation and more is better. I normally use 5 radials made out of a 20 foot length of 5 conductor computer ribbon cable with all wires shorted together at one end and connected to a single banana plug. You then unzip the wires from the end opposite the banana plug so that you only have about 4 feet at the banana plug end that is still ?zipped?. This makes it convenient to route the radial wires off a picnic table etc. before they splay out on the ground. When packing up I just pull all of the wires straight together and clip them together at the unzipped end with an IKEA bag clip before rolling them up. I use a 5 conductor cable as that is about my patience limit for radial deployment ;-) Cheers Michael VE3WMB / VA2NB (KX1, K1, K2) >From: Walter Underwood > >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna question >Date: December 27, 2016 at 2:12:09 AM GMT-5 >To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector > >For 80 meters, try a 53 foot wire in the air. For 40 meters and up, try a wire 26 to 29 feet long. >I use a 16 foot wire laying on the ground. That length either isn?t critical, or changes electrical length due to capacitance to RF ground at every site. Or both. Whatever, the ATU seems to deal >with it. >I assume you have the ATU. >I have been using camping clothesline reels for the wire, but they don?t wind up very smoothly. I just got some ?midi? wire winders from SOTAbeams (http://www.sotabeams.co.uk/midi->winders/ >). The regular winders are longer than my KX3. Haven?t used them yet. >wunder >K6WRU >Walter Underwood >CM87wj >http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 14:42:14 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 21:42:14 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> They are undoubtedly wire-wound resistors and will have too much inductance to work well as a dummy load. The resistance is fine. If you have an SWR meter, check it with that. SWR below about 1.5 would mean it is usable. It might be OK on 160 or 80 meters but not on higher bands. Vic 4X6GP > On 27 Dec 2016, at 16:43, Paul C wrote: > > I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel. They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks. I measured the resistance at 51 ohms. Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? > > Paul KG5KXG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Dec 27 14:44:50 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 11:44:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> Ah, yes, bricks. Like these? https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-100-ohm-10w-10-wirewound-resistor-2-pack# wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 27, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > > They are undoubtedly wire-wound resistors and will have too much inductance to work well as a dummy load. The resistance is fine. If you have an SWR meter, check it with that. SWR below about 1.5 would mean it is usable. It might be OK on 160 or 80 meters but not on higher bands. > > Vic 4X6GP > >> On 27 Dec 2016, at 16:43, Paul C wrote: >> >> I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel. They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks. I measured the resistance at 51 ohms. Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? >> >> Paul KG5KXG >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From gkidder at ilstu.edu Tue Dec 27 14:56:51 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 14:56:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig Microphone Question In-Reply-To: References: <50AF457D-923B-45DA-927C-D18FEFEC368E@sailidaho.com> <583113B7-A068-4682-866A-017A71FC37F8@sailidaho.com> Message-ID: The XMIT button should parallel the foot switch. I would bet your problem was pressing the button for too long - which activates the tune function with (as you observe) no audio. Just "tap" the button and it should put you into transmit with audio. 73 - George - W3HBM On 12/26/2016 11:57 PM, Jim Larson wrote: > I figured out what the problem was. > > I was using the XMIT button on the front of the K3S to go to transmit mode. The TX light turned on, but no audio was passed. I then plugged in a foot switch on the mic cable and the remote goes into transmit mode and passes audio. > > It appears to have been user error on my part, thinking that the XMIT button would do the trick. > > Thanks for the input from a couple of guys. > > 73, Jim - KK7A > > >> On Dec 26, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Jim Larson wrote: >> >> Hi Mitch. Thanks for the response. >> >> The Heil is plugged into the front AUX/MIC jack. The headset first goes through the adapter changing the 1/8? plug to plug compatible with the front of the K3S. That plug then goes into a second adapter that converts it into the RJ45 plug that connects to the AUX/MIC jack. >> >> From what I can gather, then iC element is a condenser type that must be powered. I?m guessing the K3S supplies that voltage since it works locally. The RemoteRig manual says the following: >> >> "Control-RRC only: JMP-1 is placed behind the TTL connector. With the strap in place a DC voltage is feed to the microphone element. All ICOM microphones should be DC-feed. Dynamic microphones like the ones used by Kenwood should not be DC-feed. HEIL microphones should not be DC-feed either." >> It kind of contradicts since it states that Hiel mics should not be DC fed, but maybe that was for the older HC4/5 elements. >> >> Anyway, all of the pieces were purchase from Elecraft, so I would assume they would all work together. :-) >> >> Jim >> >> >>> On Dec 26, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Mitch Wolfson, DJ?QN / K7DX > wrote: >>> >>> Jim, >>> >>> Is the Heil plugged into the rear, or the front? If in the rea, then you must first unplug the RRC to prevent a remote connect, then switch the audio to the rear jack. If you leave the RRC's connected, you will only change the remote K3 and not the control K3. >>> >>> 73, >>> Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX >>> >>> Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX >>> 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109 >>> Skype: mitchwo >>> USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171 >>> Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 >>> >>> On 26.12.2016 20:27, Jim Larson wrote: >>>> I have a K3S connected to a remote K3 using the RemoteRig boxes. With the MH2 hand mic everything works great, but with my new Heil ProSet with the iC element (purchased from Elecraft), I do not get any transmit audio at all. Running the ProSet into the local K3S (no RemoteRig), I am getting audio out, so I know the headset is fine. >>>> >>>> Is there a configuration change that needs to be made on the RemoteRig to work with this ProSet iC element? >>>> >>>> Thanks, Jim - KK7A >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to dj0qn at arrl.net >>>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu From johnj1jr at verizon.net Tue Dec 27 15:21:45 2016 From: johnj1jr at verizon.net (John Parker) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 20:21:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <1911429462.2374757.1482870105140@mail.yahoo.com> The good non-inductive resistors are made by Caddock Electronics. Available from some of the catalog dealers. John WB4UHCK3 #2165 On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 2:46 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: Ah, yes, bricks. Like these? https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-100-ohm-10w-10-wirewound-resistor-2-pack# wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 27, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > > They are undoubtedly wire-wound resistors and will have too much inductance to work well as a dummy load. The resistance is fine. If you have an SWR meter, check it with that. SWR below about 1.5 would mean it is usable. It might be OK on 160 or 80 meters but not on higher bands. > > Vic 4X6GP > >> On 27 Dec 2016, at 16:43, Paul C wrote: >> >> I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel.? They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks.? I measured the resistance at 51 ohms.? Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? >> >> Paul KG5KXG >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to johnj1jr at verizon.net From paulc22 at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 27 15:22:31 2016 From: paulc22 at sbcglobal.net (Paul C) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 14:22:31 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Ok, I won't be using these resistors after all. Thanks for setting me straight. It seems tuff to get going in QRP. I thought I'd roll my own when possible. I am trying to keep things simple and economical, the QRP spirit. Here's another naive idea of mine: I'm planning to use ladder line too. Now I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, when I realize coax will be my only practical choice. Paul KG5KXG -----Original Message----- From: "Walter Underwood" Sent: ?12/?27/?2016 1:45 PM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies Ah, yes, bricks. Like these? https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-100-ohm-10w-10-wirewound-resistor-2-pack# wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 27, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > > They are undoubtedly wire-wound resistors and will have too much inductance to work well as a dummy load. The resistance is fine. If you have an SWR meter, check it with that. SWR below about 1.5 would mean it is usable. It might be OK on 160 or 80 meters but not on higher bands. > > Vic 4X6GP > >> On 27 Dec 2016, at 16:43, Paul C wrote: >> >> I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel. They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks. I measured the resistance at 51 ohms. Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? >> >> Paul KG5KXG >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to paulc22 at sbcglobal.net From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 15:35:35 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 20:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <484485159.1530478.1482870935328@mail.yahoo.com> Or these, they are good to VHF range.? non inductive resistor Passive Components | Mouser But if you want something that is good to microwave, then use 4 each 200 ohms 1206 chip resistors around a panel mount female BNC connector.? Works slick. Mel, K6KBE | | | | | | | | | | | non inductive resistor Passive Components | Mouser non inductive resistor Passive Components are available at Mouser Electronics. Mouser offers inventory, pricing,... | | | | From: Walter Underwood To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies Ah, yes, bricks. Like these? https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-100-ohm-10w-10-wirewound-resistor-2-pack# wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 27, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > > They are undoubtedly wire-wound resistors and will have too much inductance to work well as a dummy load. The resistance is fine. If you have an SWR meter, check it with that. SWR below about 1.5 would mean it is usable. It might be OK on 160 or 80 meters but not on higher bands. > > Vic 4X6GP > >> On 27 Dec 2016, at 16:43, Paul C wrote: >> >> I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel.? They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks.? I measured the resistance at 51 ohms.? Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? >> >> Paul KG5KXG >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From kevin at k4vd.net Tue Dec 27 15:48:21 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 15:48:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ?Well now I don't think anyone said the wirewounds wouldn't work just that you'd need to check them out. Give it a shot and see if the SWR is as expected. I've used cheap carbon comp resistors in the past?. Heck, a light bulb (incandescent) probably wouldn't do a bad job. As for your other idea, using ladder line, it's about the best choice for QRP I think as it generally is lower loss. I use 600 ohm ladder line but I don't know if that's any better or worse electrically than 450 ohm window line or even 300 ohm tv line. Kev From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Dec 27 15:56:03 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 12:56:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <1911429462.2374757.1482870105140@mail.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <1911429462.2374757.1482870105140@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7B3C3687-A8E3-404C-BD6E-B83AF5C5B995@wunderwood.org> For a 10W load, it is hard to beat the OHR kit. It is just two resistors on the back of a connector, but you probably couldn?t buy the three components for $11.50. The Craddock resistors are almost $10 each in small lots. "The CQC RFL-10 Dummy Load Kit consists of two 5 Watt 100 Ohm metal oxide resistors connected in parallel, giving you a nice non-inductive 50 Ohm DC resistance. We've field tested these babies and they produce a remarkably flat 1:1 SWR from 1.8 - 30 MHz. The main body of the RFL-10 is an S0-239 coaxial socket which allows you to create a nice in-line package. Two sturdy adapters are included, one that allows you to connect directly to an SO-239 coax connector, and another that allows you to connect to a BNC socket. There are two solder connections, and that's it. When completed the RFL-10 will dissipate 10W continuously, and up to 25W for brief periods." http://www.ohr.com/rfl10.htm wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 27, 2016, at 12:21 PM, John Parker wrote: > > The good non-inductive resistors are made by Caddock Electronics. Available from some of the catalog dealers. > > John WB4UHC > K3 #2165 > > > On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 2:46 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > > > Ah, yes, bricks. Like these? > > https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-100-ohm-10w-10-wirewound-resistor-2-pack# > > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > On Dec 27, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Vic Rosenthal > wrote: > > > > They are undoubtedly wire-wound resistors and will have too much inductance to work well as a dummy load. The resistance is fine. If you have an SWR meter, check it with that. SWR below about 1.5 would mean it is usable. It might be OK on 160 or 80 meters but not on higher bands. > > > > Vic 4X6GP > > > >> On 27 Dec 2016, at 16:43, Paul C > wrote: > >> > >> I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel. They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks. I measured the resistance at 51 ohms. Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? > >> > >> Paul KG5KXG > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to johnj1jr at verizon.net > > From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 16:17:02 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 23:17:02 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <66611a28-70ee-79bd-f9f5-4a3c7784f8b3@gmail.com> I'm using ladder line to feed a 20m dipole on all bands from 40-10m (actually, it even works on 6m). Using a dipole shorter than 1/2 wavelength can be tricky, but it should work pretty well on the design frequency and higher. You will need to use a balanced antenna tuner, or an unbalanced tuner plus a balun. There's an article about how I did this in this newsletter: 73, Vic, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 27 Dec 2016 22:22, Paul C wrote: > Ok, I won't be using these resistors after all. Thanks for setting > me straight. > > It seems tuff to get going in QRP. I thought I'd roll my own when > possible. I am trying to keep things simple and economical, the QRP > spirit. > > Here's another naive idea of mine: I'm planning to use ladder line > too. Now I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, when I realize coax > will be my only practical choice. > > Paul KG5KXG From k9yeq at live.com Tue Dec 27 16:22:59 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 21:22:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <598709573.2522527.1482855418435@mail.yahoo.com> <513445401.1363306.1482860465464@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Easiest solution, buy the Elecraft DL1 20 watt dummy load kit. The guess work is removed. And it is only $25.95 for the kit. Fun to build simple to use. Even has an RF detector built on. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Walter Underwood Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 12:42 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies If you want a dummy load kit for about as much as you would pay for the box, I highly recommend the Oak Hills Research RFL-100 kit for $40. http://www.ohr.com/rfl100.htm I used their ?BNC in a UHF connector hole? kit to make my dummy load more convenient in my all-BNC shack. http://www.ohr.com/parts.htm wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 27, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > > Yes, and you should test the dummy load at the highest frequency you will be using it. Even leaded non-inductive resistors will have a reactive component at higher frequencies. > Frankly, I usually test them above the max frequency I intend to use it to not have any concern about error. > > Mel, K6KBE > > > From: Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft > To: Paul C ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 8:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies > >> I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel. They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks. I measured the resistance at 51 ohms. Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? > > > >> Paul KG5KXG > > > If your impedance is really 51 ohms, that's an SWR of 1.02. If your antenna had an SWR of 1.02, would you trim it to get to 1.00, fire up your tuner, or just start operating? > > However, some of those resistors that look like bricks are really coils (inductors) inside, which produce a higher impedance than the DC resistance. Under RF excitation, that dummy load may be well above 51 ohms impedance. > > 73, Ryan AI6DO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > farrerfolks at yahoo.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > wunder at wunderwood.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 27 16:39:46 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 16:39:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Paul, For the ladderline vs. coax question, you might want to take a look at the article I wrote for QRP Quarterly some years back. If so, go to my website www.w3fpr.com and look at the Antenna, Transmission Lines and Tuners article. You can also find that article at http://www.dxzone.com/dx19232/antennas-and-transmission-lines-myths.html - I am pleased that DXzone has chosen to preserve it. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/27/2016 3:22 PM, Paul C wrote: > Ok, I won't be using these resistors after all. Thanks for setting me straight. > > It seems tuff to get going in QRP. I thought I'd roll my own when possible. I am trying to keep things simple and economical, the QRP spirit. > > Here's another naive idea of mine: I'm planning to use ladder line too. Now I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, when I realize coax will be my only practical choice. > > Paul KG5KXG From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 16:40:50 2016 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 14:40:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] W8FGU case for Elecraft DL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: See W8FGU near bottom of Elecraft website front page for a nice case for the Elecraft mini-module DL. 73 Ken - K0PP On Dec 27, 2016 14:24, "Bill Johnson" wrote: Easiest solution, buy the Elecraft DL1 20 watt dummy load kit. The guess work is removed. And it is only $25.95 for the kit. Fun to build simple to use. Even has an RF detector built on. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Walter Underwood Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 12:42 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies If you want a dummy load kit for about as much as you would pay for the box, I highly recommend the Oak Hills Research RFL-100 kit for $40. http://www.ohr.com/rfl100.htm I used their ?BNC in a UHF connector hole? kit to make my dummy load more convenient in my all-BNC shack. http://www.ohr.com/parts.htm wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 27, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > Yes, and you should test the dummy load at the highest frequency you will be using it. Even leaded non-inductive resistors will have a reactive component at higher frequencies. > Frankly, I usually test them above the max frequency I intend to use it to not have any concern about error. > > Mel, K6KBE > > > From: Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft > To: Paul C ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 8:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies > >> I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel. They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks. I measured the resistance at 51 ohms. Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? > > > >> Paul KG5KXG > > > If your impedance is really 51 ohms, that's an SWR of 1.02. If your antenna had an SWR of 1.02, would you trim it to get to 1.00, fire up your tuner, or just start operating? > > However, some of those resistors that look like bricks are really coils (inductors) inside, which produce a higher impedance than the DC resistance. Under RF excitation, that dummy load may be well above 51 ohms impedance. > > 73, Ryan AI6DO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > farrerfolks at yahoo.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > wunder at wunderwood.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 27 17:17:47 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:17:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <1911429462.2374757.1482870105140@mail.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <1911429462.2374757.1482870105140@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0464b80f-8abf-ea52-e310-a7de130da3db@embarqmail.com> I use those Caddock Thick Film Power resistors to make my own dummy loads. They make flat dummy loads up to at least 200MHz with normal lead dress, and with care they can be flat up to 500MHz. I have found is that the 50 ohm resistors are non-reactive, but other values may be capacitive. They MUST be used on a heatsink adequate for their power rating or else their power rating is quite low. They will zap in an instant if their power rating (device and the heatsink) are exceeded, so put them on a heatsink that is sufficient for the power rating. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/27/2016 3:21 PM, John Parker wrote: > The good non-inductive resistors are made by Caddock Electronics. Available from some of the catalog dealers. > John WB4UHCK3 #2165 > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Dec 27 17:31:59 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 15:31:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <276e46f9-f9c8-90de-4376-c229e3bb2c4b@triconet.org> Paul, You've got a lot of hand wringing comments about how those are probably wire wound resistors. They probably are but in practice it might not matter. It all depends on what exactly you are trying to accomplish. You don't say what your usage is or how much power your TX is putting out. Wes N7WS On 12/27/2016 7:43 AM, Paul C wrote: > I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel. They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks. I measured the resistance at 51 ohms. Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? > > Paul KG5KXG From n1al at sonic.net Tue Dec 27 17:42:01 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 14:42:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <276e46f9-f9c8-90de-4376-c229e3bb2c4b@triconet.org> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <276e46f9-f9c8-90de-4376-c229e3bb2c4b@triconet.org> Message-ID: <819db1a4-1dc5-389e-a575-e3a1cd8f7fe5@sonic.net> I once made a dummy load with a 50W, 50-ohm wire-wound resistor. The inductance was tuned out with a variable capacitor in series. As I recall it worked reasonably well on 160 and 80 meters, but the bandwidth was too narrow to be useful on the high bands. Alan N1AL On 12/27/2016 02:31 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Paul, > > You've got a lot of hand wringing comments about how those are probably > wire wound resistors. They probably are but in practice it might not > matter. It all depends on what exactly you are trying to accomplish. > You don't say what your usage is or how much power your TX is putting out. > > Wes N7WS > > On 12/27/2016 7:43 AM, Paul C wrote: >> I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired >> in parallel. They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little >> bricks. I measured the resistance at 51 ohms. Do you think this is >> close enough or should I reduce it to 50? >> >> Paul KG5KXG > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net From w6jhb at me.com Tue Dec 27 17:43:52 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 14:43:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Display Help Message-ID: Once again, the brain has abandoned me. On my PX3, the white outlined box that shows signals on the top part and waterfall on the bottom is only occupying about 2/3 of the glass screen. What I mean is that the bottom of the white outline does not come all the way down to the bottom of the glass area. The top area containing signals and waterfall occupy just under 1-1/2 inches, and the rest (underneath, about 3/4 inch) is black. What have I done that has caused me to loose 1/3 of my PX3 display? If I adjust the ?Waterfall? value in the menu, it varies the amount of the display the waterfall takes up, but it does not affect that bottom line. I?ve looked through the Menu entries several times but don?t see anything that jumps out and says ?adjust display height? or something like that. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Tnx, Jim / W6JHB From ron at cobi.biz Tue Dec 27 17:56:28 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 14:56:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] No"tun" for my KX1 In-Reply-To: <641678.34087.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <641678.34087.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003e01d26094$757083a0$60518ae0$@biz> Sorry about that Paul. Yes, there was a number change since the last version of the manual was printed. The correct number is 831-763-4211. The number is in the banner at the top of the web page at www.elecraft.com 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Paul C Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 6:38 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] No"tun" for my KX1 I was wondering if Elecraft has a real tech support phone number or official support email address aside from this user forum. I ask because I am a novice to this rig and QRP in general, and I have several short critical questions which are much too tedious for email. Construction went smoothly but now I'm at the testing point and I'm a little uncertain on what to expect. The manual is a little vague. I guess I need a genuine tutorial. I called the number lists in the manual and it was disconnected. Thank you, Paul KG5KXG ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 27 17:59:31 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:59:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <276e46f9-f9c8-90de-4376-c229e3bb2c4b@triconet.org> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <276e46f9-f9c8-90de-4376-c229e3bb2c4b@triconet.org> Message-ID: <6fb57897-1426-38c7-3aae-e1375b54ae19@embarqmail.com> Wes, What you say is true, and how much it matters in practice will vary depending on just how much inductance is present in those wirewound resistors. how much it matters depends of frequency. The higher the frequency, the more it matters - and that is independent of power. The load in question is for initial testing of a KX1 at 40 and 20 meters. If only an indication of some power output capability is required, then that load may be sufficient, but in this case, the owner wants to know if his KX1 is operating up to specifications, and a non-inductive dummy load is required for that purpose, in addition a means of accurately measuring the power output at a 3 to 4 watt level is also an essential tool. An RF probe applied across the dummy load may provide that indication at 4 watts or less (along with a little math), but if the power is much greater than that, it will zap the most commonly used diode in the RF Probe (a 1N34). So you are correct, if simply providing a load to a transmitter, the wirewound resistors may be OK, but if they are being used as a measurement tool, the results will be incorrect if only the DC resistance is considered. The real result of any measurements done with reactive components can only be had by also considering the complex impedance of the load. Measurements with an RF Probe and a DVM will not reveal that complex impedance that must be entered into the equation. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/27/2016 5:31 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Paul, > > You've got a lot of hand wringing comments about how those are probably > wire wound resistors. They probably are but in practice it might not > matter. It all depends on what exactly you are trying to accomplish. From ron at cobi.biz Tue Dec 27 18:23:46 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 15:23:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004501d26098$4636d5e0$d2a481a0$@biz> For parts, digikey.com and mouser.com are good friends. No minimum order, great prices and huge selection. You've gotten several suggestions for a good dummy load. And I concur with the others, those wire-wound resistors might be 50 ohms but their reactance may almost anything and dependent upon frequency. One of the original "Elecrafter Field Testers" and "F.O.W." - friend of Wayne (Burdick) - was Tom Hammond, N0SS, no sadly an S.K. But his web site has been maintained and it contains a great low-cost dummy load design: http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/dl_30w_hf-uhf.pdf You might enjoy looking around the web site for more KX1 info and QRP info in general: http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/ Coaxial cable is every much as low loss as open wire line when the SWR is not too high. The difference in applying them is that the inherently higher-impedance of ladder line makes it much easier to keep the SWR on the line low enough to avoid excessive loss. For example, a hunk of wire between 50 and 100 feet long strung up in the air and fed at its center will show an impedance of about 4,000 ohms at the frequency at which it is 1/2 wavelength long and perhaps as low as 40 ohms on 80 or 160 meters. With open wire line at about 400 ohms impedance, you will find an SWR of up to 10:1 on the feed line, generally much less. With 50 ohm coax, the SWR will range as high as 80:1 or more. Have fun. At my shack, simple and cheap is great fun! 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Paul C Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 12:23 PM To: Walter Underwood; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies Ok, I won't be using these resistors after all. Thanks for setting me straight. It seems tuff to get going in QRP. I thought I'd roll my own when possible. I am trying to keep things simple and economical, the QRP spirit. Here's another naive idea of mine: I'm planning to use ladder line too. Now I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, when I realize coax will be my only practical choice. Paul KG5KXG -----Original Message----- From: "Walter Underwood" Sent: ?12/?27/?2016 1:45 PM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies Ah, yes, bricks. Like these? https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-100-ohm-10w-10-wirewound-resistor-2-pack# wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 27, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > > They are undoubtedly wire-wound resistors and will have too much inductance to work well as a dummy load. The resistance is fine. If you have an SWR meter, check it with that. SWR below about 1.5 would mean it is usable. It might be OK on 160 or 80 meters but not on higher bands. > > Vic 4X6GP > >> On 27 Dec 2016, at 16:43, Paul C wrote: >> >> I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel. They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks. I measured the resistance at 51 ohms. Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? >> >> Paul KG5KXG >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > wunder at wunderwood.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to paulc22 at sbcglobal.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From ml.hogan at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 18:40:17 2016 From: ml.hogan at gmail.com (Mark Hogan) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:40:17 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power socket In-Reply-To: References: <506748.54209.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6e68deb0-2373-4148-3320-694a59fe5882@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Mikes 90 degree plug > On Dec 27, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: > > Everyone having issues with the power plug?. Does your plug that sticks into the radio have a right angle on it or is it a straight affair? > > > > Sincerely, Frank Krozel t: 1-630-924-1600 frank at electronicinstrument.com > BSEE, AASEET, FCC Lic.# PG-18-19178, KG9H > Electronic Instrument Associates - Central, Inc. ...since 1971 > w: www.electronicinstrument.com > d/l our new linecard at http://www.electronicinstrument.com/lc.pdf > >> On Dec 27, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Mark Hogan > wrote: >> >> No such luck. Looks like two of the pads lifted off the board. The little tyke has to go to the mothership for repairs :( and they?re closed today so there will be another delay till tomorrow to send it in. >> >> >> I suppose I?ll take advantage of that to have the two meter board added and see if theres other things that should or can be updated while its there for repairs. >> >> I?ll have to find the box I saw that SGC 2020 in and pull it into service. That or hang with my single band rigs. >> >> Mark Hogan N5OBC >> >> >> >>> On Dec 27, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Mark Hogan > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Thanks folks, >>> >>> Well I got a 125? end fed hung this morning, actually added wire to my old 53? and my home brew EARCHI balun from the last house. The KX3 is tuning it well 40 and below, struggled on 80/160 but made 2.4 and 2.6 on each. I?ll probably mess with that more later. Now for chores around here and tonight I?ll look inside to see what the damage is and see can I get it with my WTCPT and the tiny tip. I should be up on the SKCC frees tonight or in a day or so. Need to find myself before K3Y starts :) >>> >>> Mark Hogan N5OBC >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 26, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Matt Zilmer > wrote: >>>> >>>> Mark, >>>> >>>> It's happened before, usually because the power cable was pulled out with too much side (off-axis) force. I don't know of any other cause. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> matt W6NIA >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/26/2016 4:45 PM, Mark Hogan wrote: >>>>> I have SN 31, I recently finished our house and setup the shack. Radios >>>>> been boxed about a year since we moved. It was a desk rig at the last >>>>> house with a occasional trip to the back yard. >>>>> When I plug it in to 12v I get nothing. I unplugged and plugged it in >>>>> several times and got voltage to charge the batts. Looking in the hole it >>>>> appears the sockets got one leg loose on the board. Was that a issue or am >>>>> I one of the special kids? :) >>>>> >>>>> Mark Hogan N5OBC >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA >>>> www.elecraft.com >>>> Office: 831-763-4211 x125 >>>> Mobile: 909-730-6552 >>>> [Shiraz] >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to ml.hogan at gmail.com >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kg9hfrank at gmail.com From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 18:52:14 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 23:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <004501d26098$4636d5e0$d2a481a0$@biz> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <004501d26098$4636d5e0$d2a481a0$@biz> Message-ID: <933395794.1673859.1482882734461@mail.yahoo.com> One thing I might also add in.? I use the Film TO-220 style non-inductive resistors with a heat sink in the 200 ohm 1% configuration to test 4:1 baluns at 100 watt level to confirm non saturation on the small QRP baluns I make. Mel, K6KBE From: Ron D'Eau Claire To: 'Paul C' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies For parts, digikey.com and mouser.com are good friends. No minimum order, great prices and huge selection. You've gotten several suggestions for a good dummy load. And I concur with the others, those wire-wound resistors might be 50 ohms but their reactance may almost anything and dependent upon frequency. One of the original "Elecrafter Field Testers" and "F.O.W." - friend of Wayne (Burdick) - was Tom Hammond, N0SS, no sadly an S.K. But his web site has been maintained and it contains a great low-cost dummy load design: http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/dl_30w_hf-uhf.pdf You might enjoy looking around the web site for more KX1 info and QRP info in general: http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/ Coaxial cable is every much as low loss as open wire line when the SWR is not too high. The difference in applying them is that the inherently higher-impedance of ladder line makes it much easier to keep the SWR on the line low enough to avoid excessive loss. For example, a hunk of wire between 50 and 100 feet long strung up in the air and fed at its center will show an impedance of about 4,000 ohms at the frequency at which it is 1/2 wavelength long and perhaps as low as 40 ohms on 80 or 160 meters. With open wire line at about 400 ohms impedance, you will find an SWR of up to 10:1 on the feed line, generally much less. With 50 ohm coax, the SWR will range as high as 80:1 or more. Have fun. At my shack, simple and cheap is great fun! 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Paul C Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 12:23 PM To: Walter Underwood; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies Ok, I won't be using these resistors after all.? Thanks for setting me straight. It seems tuff to get going in QRP.? I thought I'd roll my own when possible.? I am trying to keep things simple and economical, the QRP spirit. Here's another naive idea of mine:? I'm planning to use ladder line too.? Now I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, when I realize coax will be my only practical choice. Paul KG5KXG -----Original Message----- From: "Walter Underwood" Sent: ?12/?27/?2016 1:45 PM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies Ah, yes, bricks. Like these? https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-100-ohm-10w-10-wirewound-resistor-2-pack# wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 27, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > > They are undoubtedly wire-wound resistors and will have too much inductance to work well as a dummy load. The resistance is fine. If you have an SWR meter, check it with that. SWR below about 1.5 would mean it is usable. It might be OK on 160 or 80 meters but not on higher bands. > > Vic 4X6GP > >> On 27 Dec 2016, at 16:43, Paul C wrote: >> >> I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel.? They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks.? I measured the resistance at 51 ohms.? Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? >> >> Paul KG5KXG >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > wunder at wunderwood.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to paulc22 at sbcglobal.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From cyaffey at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 19:03:34 2016 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 19:03:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SVGA monitor for P3 Message-ID: <9D10D9F6-62F5-429E-B8ED-C1FCD466D7E4@gmail.com> Looking for recommendations for an SVGA monitor to work with the P3. Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 27 19:04:54 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 19:04:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power socket In-Reply-To: References: <506748.54209.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6e68deb0-2373-4148-3320-694a59fe5882@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <2d1bda28-6771-3081-3a6d-d1b981870e5b@embarqmail.com> A 90 degree plug may not resolve the problem. The early KX3s did not have the power plug glued to the PC board and could break the connections between the power plug and the board. If you can wiggle the power cord and cause the KX3 to power off, then you have the problem. With a new power jack from Elecraft, I was successful in removing the power jack from my KX3 and soldering in a new jack (after applying a small amount of epoxy glue beneath the jack). At first it looked like the PC pads had broken free of the board, and in fact one did, but a bit of wire repaired that connection easily. I have the first KX3 shipped off the production line, so any changes that were applied to the KX3 are applicable to mine. Elecraft has updated my KX3 to current level a few months ago but the power connector gluing and repair was done long prior to sending it to Elecraft. So if you have an older KX3 where the power jack is not glued to the PC board, you may have that problem. Sorry, but I do not have the serial number when the glue was first used. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/27/2016 6:40 PM, Mark Hogan wrote: > Mikes 90 degree plug > >> On Dec 27, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >> >> Everyone having issues with the power plug?. Does your plug that sticks into the radio have a right angle on it or is it a straight affair? >> From cautery at montac.com Tue Dec 27 19:16:27 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 18:16:27 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <933395794.1673859.1482882734461@mail.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <004501d26098$4636d5e0$d2a481a0$@biz> <933395794.1673859.1482882734461@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <62b2fd1c-7110-7742-1992-9d239a60c497@montac.com> Makes me curious about designing with these TO-220 resistors in the 1000 Ohm size of appropriate power rating... Parallel 20 of them like folks do on the axials that they put in the can type dummy loads with oil. Options: 1) 20 in parallel on a finned copper or bare aluminum sink of sufficient size and then entire assembly in a oil wetted container. 2) Same, but only the finned side of the finned/pinned heat exchanger in a coolant bath. I'd like to have a rugged, high power, key down load built from easily obtainable and replaceable parts. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 12/27/2016 5:52 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > One thing I might also add in. I use the Film TO-220 style non-inductive resistors with a heat sink in the 200 ohm 1% configuration to test 4:1 baluns at 100 watt level to confirm non saturation on the small QRP baluns I make. > Mel, K6KBE > > From fcady at montana.edu Tue Dec 27 19:23:02 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 00:23:02 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Display Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jim, You might have Text Mode turned on. I don't have my KE7X book handy to tell you which menu item it is but its in there somewhere. Cheers, Fred KE7X ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of James Bennett Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 3:43 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Display Help Once again, the brain has abandoned me. On my PX3, the white outlined box that shows signals on the top part and waterfall on the bottom is only occupying about 2/3 of the glass screen. What I mean is that the bottom of the white outline does not come all the way down to the bottom of the glass area. The top area containing signals and waterfall occupy just under 1-1/2 inches, and the rest (underneath, about 3/4 inch) is black. What have I done that has caused me to loose 1/3 of my PX3 display? If I adjust the "Waterfall" value in the menu, it varies the amount of the display the waterfall takes up, but it does not affect that bottom line. I've looked through the Menu entries several times but don't see anything that jumps out and says "adjust display height" or something like that. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Tnx, Jim / W6JHB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 19:25:03 2016 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 19:25:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Display Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Press and hold the menu button. The word "labels" below is what you are actually toggling with the long press of the menu button. You should then see the waterfall area expand to the bottom of the screen. Regards Brian VE3IBW On Dec 27, 2016 5:46 PM, "James Bennett" wrote: > Once again, the brain has abandoned me. On my PX3, the white outlined box > that shows signals on the top part and waterfall on the bottom is only > occupying about 2/3 of the glass screen. What I mean is that the bottom of > the white outline does not come all the way down to the bottom of the glass > area. The top area containing signals and waterfall occupy just under 1-1/2 > inches, and the rest (underneath, about 3/4 inch) is black. What have I > done that has caused me to loose 1/3 of my PX3 display? If I adjust the > ?Waterfall? value in the menu, it varies the amount of the display the > waterfall takes up, but it does not affect that bottom line. > > I?ve looked through the Menu entries several times but don?t see anything > that jumps out and says ?adjust display height? or something like that. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > Tnx, Jim / W6JHB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brian.waterworth at gmail.com From hlyingst at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 19:29:03 2016 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 00:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] SVGA monitor for P3 In-Reply-To: <9D10D9F6-62F5-429E-B8ED-C1FCD466D7E4@gmail.com> References: <9D10D9F6-62F5-429E-B8ED-C1FCD466D7E4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2006612360.2450431.1482884943724@mail.yahoo.com> I run 3 monitors on my computer and instead of dedicating a monitor to the P3's SVGA card I useda VGA Capture card that way I can put it in a window on my desktop and resize or move it around. From: Carl Yaffey To: Mel Farrer via Elecraft Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 7:03 PM Subject: [Elecraft] SVGA monitor for P3 Looking for recommendations for an SVGA monitor to work with the P3. Carl Yaffey? K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From hlyingst at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 19:33:27 2016 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 00:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <62b2fd1c-7110-7742-1992-9d239a60c497@montac.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <004501d26098$4636d5e0$d2a481a0$@biz> <933395794.1673859.1482882734461@mail.yahoo.com> <62b2fd1c-7110-7742-1992-9d239a60c497@montac.com> Message-ID: <872642864.2494548.1482885207166@mail.yahoo.com> I have seen on ebay (I believe Henry Radio is the vendor) some pretty high wattage loads (I believe at one time they sold a set of 4 200ohm ones to mount to a big heat sink.) If I were going to run a tube amp again I'd be tempted to make up a high wattage dummy load for it. ? From: Clay Autery To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies Makes me curious about designing with these TO-220 resistors in the 1000 Ohm size of appropriate power rating...? Parallel 20 of them like folks do on the axials that they put in the can type dummy loads with oil. Options: 1) 20 in parallel on a finned copper or bare aluminum sink of sufficient size and then entire assembly in a oil wetted container. 2) Same, but only the finned side of the finned/pinned heat exchanger in a coolant bath. I'd like to have a rugged, high power, key down load built from easily obtainable and replaceable parts. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 12/27/2016 5:52 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > One thing I might also add in.? I use the Film TO-220 style non-inductive resistors with a heat sink in the 200 ohm 1% configuration to test 4:1 baluns at 100 watt level to confirm non saturation on the small QRP baluns I make. > Mel, K6KBE > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 27 20:00:40 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 20:00:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <62b2fd1c-7110-7742-1992-9d239a60c497@montac.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <004501d26098$4636d5e0$d2a481a0$@biz> <933395794.1673859.1482882734461@mail.yahoo.com> <62b2fd1c-7110-7742-1992-9d239a60c497@montac.com> Message-ID: <49508c3f-e238-3ba5-9aea-e383ad23cd48@embarqmail.com> Clay, Unless things have changed since I tested the Caddock Thick Film Power resistors of other than 50 ohms, I would not parallel 20 1000 ohm resistors to produce a 50 ohm load. Values other than 50 ohms are not guaranteed to be non-reactive. I would put 4 strings of 4 50 ohm resistors in series in parallel. Each resistor mounted with leads as short as possible. I don't know about the dissipation characteristics of those resistors mounted in oil, and I suspect it depends on the heatsinking ability of the resistor mountings when immersed in the oil. 20 100 watt resistors *should* produce a 2000 watt load, but as I indicated, it depends on the dissipation of the individual resistors and how fast they can transfer their heat to the oil. It may be necessary to attach the resistors to a heat sink and immerse those heat sink assemblies into the oil. For all those who are looking for a suitable dummy load for high power, you usually do not have to be concerned about measurement quality impedance. Something adequate to provide a suitable load for the amplifier may be all that is needed. Having a precision 50 ohm load is a requirement for measurement, but not for routine amplifier tuning and general operating procedures. 73, Don W3FPR 73, Don W3FPR On 12/27/2016 7:16 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Makes me curious about designing with these TO-220 resistors in the 1000 > Ohm size of appropriate power rating... Parallel 20 of them like folks > do on the axials that they put in the can type dummy loads with oil. > > Options: > > 1) 20 in parallel on a finned copper or bare aluminum sink of sufficient > size and then entire assembly in a oil wetted container. > 2) Same, but only the finned side of the finned/pinned heat exchanger in > a coolant bath. > > I'd like to have a rugged, high power, key down load built from easily > obtainable and replaceable parts. From k9fd at flex.com Tue Dec 27 20:01:46 2016 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 15:01:46 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <62b2fd1c-7110-7742-1992-9d239a60c497@montac.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <004501d26098$4636d5e0$d2a481a0$@biz> <933395794.1673859.1482882734461@mail.yahoo.com> <62b2fd1c-7110-7742-1992-9d239a60c497@montac.com> Message-ID: <58630EFA.2050803@flex.com> They make similar resistors up to 800 watt or more, see them on ebay all the time, they are even made in 25 ohm or 100 ohm so you can series or parallel them to what you need, easy to make a dummy load that will handle many KW with just a couple. Large heat sink needed. > Makes me curious about designing with these TO-220 resistors in the 1000 > Ohm size of appropriate power rating... Parallel 20 of them like folks > do on the axials that they put in the can type dummy loads with oil. > > Options: > > 1) 20 in parallel on a finned copper or bare aluminum sink of sufficient > size and then entire assembly in a oil wetted container. > 2) Same, but only the finned side of the finned/pinned heat exchanger in > a coolant bath. > > I'd like to have a rugged, high power, key down load built from easily > obtainable and replaceable parts. > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 12/27/2016 5:52 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: >> One thing I might also add in. I use the Film TO-220 style non-inductive resistors with a heat sink in the 200 ohm 1% configuration to test 4:1 baluns at 100 watt level to confirm non saturation on the small QRP baluns I make. >> Mel, K6KBE >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Dec 27 20:13:06 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:13:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue,12/27/2016 12:22 PM, Paul C wrote: > It seems tuff to get going in QRP. Hi Paul, The only thing "special" about antennas for QRP operation is that BECAUSE you're QRP, you want the most efficient antennas that you can. And the simple answer to that is to study the fundamentals in the ARRL Handbook and the ARRL Antenna Book. And if you plan to operate portable, you want the most efficient antennas that are easy to carry, and to rig when you get to your operating QTH. There are some tutorials on my website about antennas. They are written for antennas in general, not just portable antennas. The best portable antennas are mostly nothing more than wire. The things you want to BUY are the wire and things that help you rig them. Look for lightweight, telescoping poles that you can tape a wire to, and ways to rig it more or less upright. Jackite poles are nice for this use. Carry more wire to string out as radials. When you can, keep the radials off the ground a few feet -- for example, string them through scrub trees and brush. Build dipoles for situations when you can rig two ends in trees. Find a lightweight method to toss weights tied to fishing line into trees, tie light weight antenna rope to the line, pull it into the tree(s), rig the antenna wire to that rope. I used to see a product called a "wrist rocket" that is essentially a fishing reel attached to a short rod for launching into a tree. If you're going to use fishing weights, paint them a bright color so you can find them. One of my buddies, N6RNO, is awfully good at simply tying a fishing weight to a fishing line and using his arm as a sort of catapault to launch wires into trees. He regularly gets our dipoles for CQP (California QSO Party) county expeditions up 40 ft into trees. When I first moved to CA 10 years ago, AE6RF did that using a half empty 16 oz water jug. Tossing a wire into a tree is also a great way to rig a vertical. Whatever you do, don't waste a single penny on any commercial antenna for portable use. Those popular (and expensive) poles antennas with loading coils are poor antennas -- loading coils are the reason. 73, Jim K9YC From ml.hogan at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 20:13:57 2016 From: ml.hogan at gmail.com (Mark Hogan) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 19:13:57 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power socket In-Reply-To: <2d1bda28-6771-3081-3a6d-d1b981870e5b@embarqmail.com> References: <506748.54209.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6e68deb0-2373-4148-3320-694a59fe5882@elecraft.com> <2d1bda28-6771-3081-3a6d-d1b981870e5b@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <9D803913-C6C1-4173-B98D-969E541BB468@gmail.com> Thanks Don Mines defiantly not glued to the board. I think I?ll call in the morning and send it in for the fix, then like I said update as needed but for sure the 2m board while its there. I need to read up, We have been building the new house and had no radio since last Dec 6. I haven?t even read anything in a while. Just clearing land, building and such Later and Happy New Year Mark Hogan N5OBC > On Dec 27, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > A 90 degree plug may not resolve the problem. The early KX3s did not have the power plug glued to the PC board and could break the connections between the power plug and the board. If you can wiggle the power cord and cause the KX3 to power off, then you have the problem. > > With a new power jack from Elecraft, I was successful in removing the power jack from my KX3 and soldering in a new jack (after applying a small amount of epoxy glue beneath the jack). > > At first it looked like the PC pads had broken free of the board, and in fact one did, but a bit of wire repaired that connection easily. > > I have the first KX3 shipped off the production line, so any changes that were applied to the KX3 are applicable to mine. Elecraft has updated my KX3 to current level a few months ago but the power connector gluing and repair was done long prior to sending it to Elecraft. > > So if you have an older KX3 where the power jack is not glued to the PC board, you may have that problem. Sorry, but I do not have the serial number when the glue was first used. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/27/2016 6:40 PM, Mark Hogan wrote: >> Mikes 90 degree plug >> >>> On Dec 27, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Frank Krozel wrote: >>> >>> Everyone having issues with the power plug?. Does your plug that sticks into the radio have a right angle on it or is it a straight affair? >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ml.hogan at gmail.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Tue Dec 27 20:15:21 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 17:15:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Customer Service Message-ID: I got one of those notices a couple of years ago giving me a delivery date for my shipment from Elecraft. Since I hadn't ordered anything, it wasn't near my birthday or December, I called Elecraft. They were able to pull the misdirected package off the loading dock saving both of us some work. The next day I got a canceled notice from UPS. 73 Bill AE6JV On 12/25/16 at 9:40 AM, craig at powersmith.net (Craig Smith) wrote: >I understand your reaction, but don?t think this one is due >to anything at Elecraft. If you have a ?My UPS? type of >account with UPS, then you will receive that kind of email from >UPS automatically no matter who initiates the shipment. > >I?ve also been surprised and mystified on occasion when I get >that notice when I know I haven?t ordered anything lately. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Ham radio contesting is a | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | contact sport. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Ken Widelitz K6LA / VY2TT | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Dec 27 20:26:00 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 20:26:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 power socket In-Reply-To: <9D803913-C6C1-4173-B98D-969E541BB468@gmail.com> References: <506748.54209.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6e68deb0-2373-4148-3320-694a59fe5882@elecraft.com> <2d1bda28-6771-3081-3a6d-d1b981870e5b@embarqmail.com> <9D803913-C6C1-4173-B98D-969E541BB468@gmail.com> Message-ID: Mark, I remember those house building times well. We started in 2001 and started building - many things by our own hands and sweat. finally in 2004 we were able to move into our own house. Radio stuff had to be put aside for that period, but now that things are settled, radio is at the forefront of my retirement years. Happy New Year to you and yours. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/27/2016 8:13 PM, Mark Hogan wrote: > > Thanks Don > > Mines defiantly not glued to the board. I think I?ll call in the morning and send it in for the fix, then like I said update as needed but for sure the 2m board while its there. I need to read up, We have been building the new house and had no radio since last Dec 6. I haven?t even read anything in a while. Just clearing land, building and such > > Later and Happy New Year > > Mark Hogan N5OBC > From paulc22 at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 27 21:17:38 2016 From: paulc22 at sbcglobal.net (Paul C) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 20:17:38 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <934001.61422.bm@smtp208.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Thanks for the ideas, Jim. The tutorial I really want to see (or maybe make someday) is one about the KX1 operations for a complete QRP novice. Such a video would take the ham step by step demonstrating all the features and explain why xyz is important. I write software, and these kind of tutorials are tremendously helpful. It's a great way to encourage others to adopt your product. It's too bad I won't be able to take my little rig with me on my backpacking trip, but there should be a next time. Thanks for all your good ideas. This is a great hobby. 73, Paul KG5KXG -----Original Message----- From: "Jim Brown" Sent: ?12/?27/?2016 7:13 PM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies On Tue,12/27/2016 12:22 PM, Paul C wrote: > It seems tuff to get going in QRP. Hi Paul, The only thing "special" about antennas for QRP operation is that BECAUSE you're QRP, you want the most efficient antennas that you can. And the simple answer to that is to study the fundamentals in the ARRL Handbook and the ARRL Antenna Book. And if you plan to operate portable, you want the most efficient antennas that are easy to carry, and to rig when you get to your operating QTH. There are some tutorials on my website about antennas. They are written for antennas in general, not just portable antennas. The best portable antennas are mostly nothing more than wire. The things you want to BUY are the wire and things that help you rig them. Look for lightweight, telescoping poles that you can tape a wire to, and ways to rig it more or less upright. Jackite poles are nice for this use. Carry more wire to string out as radials. When you can, keep the radials off the ground a few feet -- for example, string them through scrub trees and brush. Build dipoles for situations when you can rig two ends in trees. Find a lightweight method to toss weights tied to fishing line into trees, tie light weight antenna rope to the line, pull it into the tree(s), rig the antenna wire to that rope. I used to see a product called a "wrist rocket" that is essentially a fishing reel attached to a short rod for launching into a tree. If you're going to use fishing weights, paint them a bright color so you can find them. One of my buddies, N6RNO, is awfully good at simply tying a fishing weight to a fishing line and using his arm as a sort of catapault to launch wires into trees. He regularly gets our dipoles for CQP (California QSO Party) county expeditions up 40 ft into trees. When I first moved to CA 10 years ago, AE6RF did that using a half empty 16 oz water jug. Tossing a wire into a tree is also a great way to rig a vertical. Whatever you do, don't waste a single penny on any commercial antenna for portable use. Those popular (and expensive) poles antennas with loading coils are poor antennas -- loading coils are the reason. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to paulc22 at sbcglobal.net From kl7cw at mtaonline.net Tue Dec 27 22:05:09 2016 From: kl7cw at mtaonline.net (kl7cw at mtaonline.net) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 18:05:09 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna Message-ID: <20161228030537134@smtp618.redcondor.net> For about 50 years my usual portable antenna was a linked dipole, coax fed, and usually rigged as an inverted V for 40, 30, and 20 meters. Performance was usually very good especially if the apex was at least something like 25 feet. However, this was heavy, took too much time to set up, and often there was not enough room in a park or campground. Often the set up was just not worth the trouble after a long day of backpacking, etc. However about 12 years ago when I got my KX1 with internal tuner, I found out I could make many good QSO?s on 40, 30 and 20 meters with a simple 26 ft. wire in a tree, bush, vertical, sloped, or whatever and a 17 ft. wire or two laying on the ground. Many more QSO?s since set up was so easy, however not nearly as good as the inverted V. Now when I travel I usually just take a 26 ft piece of wire, two 17 ft counterpoise wires, and about an 8 ft. long wire with a big clip on the end. Sometimes counterpoise wires are not convenient to lay out, so I just clip onto a metal picnic table frame, chain link fence, or whatever for a ground (counterpoise) and it seems to be acceptable. At other times I extend my 26 ft wire or counterpoise with the 8 ft wire for a better tune or performance on 40 meters, especially if the counterpoise wires are elevated even slightly. If space and supports are limited, I have thrown one 17 ft wire up over short trees or bushes of only perhaps 10 ft in height, and this inverted u antenna has even worked some DX on 20 meters (the other 17 ft wire is a counterpoise). I usually I like two counterpoise wires since models show a slight null if only one counterpoise wire is used. There are better portable antennas than the 26 ft wire, however it seems to be a winner when you consider weight, ease of set up, cost, and performance. This is usually the only antenna I carry when I go to Europe or the UK where millions of folks live within a few hundred miles. However when I operate portable from Alaska or other very remote locations, or especially in a contest, then sometimes better antennas are worth the effort and weight even for this old backpacker. Do investigate end fed half wave antennas?many portable QRP operators go this route. Your rig runs much more power than my kx1 and has a better antenna tuner, so you should have even more success than I have had with my 2 watts. Cheers, Rick KL7CW Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Dec 27 23:00:29 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 21:00:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You might be interested in this: http://k6mhe.com/n7ws/Ladder_Line.pdf On 12/27/2016 1:22 PM, Paul C wrote: > Here's another naive idea of mine: I'm planning to use ladder line too. Now I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, when I realize coax will be my only practical choice. > > Paul KG5KXG > From jim at sailidaho.com Tue Dec 27 23:28:41 2016 From: jim at sailidaho.com (Jim Larson) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 21:28:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RemoteRig Microphone Question In-Reply-To: References: <50AF457D-923B-45DA-927C-D18FEFEC368E@sailidaho.com> <583113B7-A068-4682-866A-017A71FC37F8@sailidaho.com> Message-ID: I tested it again ?just taping on the button? and verified that the XMIT button turns on the TX light, but no audio is sent to the remote end. Maybe rigs like the K3/0 where you plug the mic into the rig directly, it may be different, but on the K3, the mic plugs into the RR control box directly. Jim > On Dec 27, 2016, at 12:56 PM, George Kidder wrote: > > The XMIT button should parallel the foot switch. I would bet your problem was pressing the button for too long - which activates the tune function with (as you observe) no audio. Just "tap" the button and it should put you into transmit with audio. > > 73 - George - W3HBM > > > On 12/26/2016 11:57 PM, Jim Larson wrote: >> I figured out what the problem was. >> >> I was using the XMIT button on the front of the K3S to go to transmit mode. The TX light turned on, but no audio was passed. I then plugged in a foot switch on the mic cable and the remote goes into transmit mode and passes audio. >> >> It appears to have been user error on my part, thinking that the XMIT button would do the trick. >> >> Thanks for the input from a couple of guys. >> >> 73, Jim - KK7A >> >> >>> On Dec 26, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Jim Larson wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mitch. Thanks for the response. >>> >>> The Heil is plugged into the front AUX/MIC jack. The headset first goes through the adapter changing the 1/8? plug to plug compatible with the front of the K3S. That plug then goes into a second adapter that converts it into the RJ45 plug that connects to the AUX/MIC jack. >>> >>> From what I can gather, then iC element is a condenser type that must be powered. I?m guessing the K3S supplies that voltage since it works locally. The RemoteRig manual says the following: >>> >>> "Control-RRC only: JMP-1 is placed behind the TTL connector. With the strap in place a DC voltage is feed to the microphone element. All ICOM microphones should be DC-feed. Dynamic microphones like the ones used by Kenwood should not be DC-feed. HEIL microphones should not be DC-feed either." >>> It kind of contradicts since it states that Hiel mics should not be DC fed, but maybe that was for the older HC4/5 elements. >>> >>> Anyway, all of the pieces were purchase from Elecraft, so I would assume they would all work together. :-) >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 26, 2016, at 6:35 PM, Mitch Wolfson, DJ?QN / K7DX >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> Is the Heil plugged into the rear, or the front? If in the rea, then you must first unplug the RRC to prevent a remote connect, then switch the audio to the rear jack. If you leave the RRC's connected, you will only change the remote K3 and not the control K3. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX >>>> >>>> Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX >>>> 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109 >>>> Skype: mitchwo >>>> USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171 >>>> Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 >>>> >>>> On 26.12.2016 20:27, Jim Larson wrote: >>>>> I have a K3S connected to a remote K3 using the RemoteRig boxes. With the MH2 hand mic everything works great, but with my new Heil ProSet with the iC element (purchased from Elecraft), I do not get any transmit audio at all. Running the ProSet into the local K3S (no RemoteRig), I am getting audio out, so I know the headset is fine. >>>>> >>>>> Is there a configuration change that needs to be made on the RemoteRig to work with this ProSet iC element? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Jim - KK7A >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>>>> Message delivered to dj0qn at arrl.net > >>>>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at sailidaho.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Dec 27 23:38:04 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 23:38:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] No"tun" for my KX1 In-Reply-To: <641678.34087.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <641678.34087.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1F861330-82AD-48B8-8E0E-31AAEBD86D9E@widomaker.com> Have you looked at the web site or even the manual for the radio concerning tech support? Manual??? Download the PDF from the website. YES, Virginia, they do have real tech support. But I'll bet you'll find the answers here as well. Likely from the owners or designers themselves. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 27, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Paul C wrote: > > I was wondering if Elecraft has a real tech support phone number or official support email address aside from this user forum. I ask because I am a novice to this rig and QRP in general, and I have several short critical questions which are much too tedious for email. > > Construction went smoothly but now I'm at the testing point and I'm a little uncertain on what to expect. The manual is a little vague. I guess I need a genuine tutorial. > > I called the number lists in the manual and it was disconnected. > > Thank you, > > Paul KG5KXG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Dec 27 23:41:29 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 23:41:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <64F2B511-3B7F-4B1A-8556-0E1D56347E30@widomaker.com> Carefull. Are they wire-wound power resisters cased in ceramic. If so they are likely inductive and of marginal use as withvRF they will not be just resistive but somewhat inductive and this will skew your results. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 27, 2016, at 9:43 AM, Paul C wrote: > > I made my own dummy load last night from two 100 ohm resistors wired in parallel. They are rated for 10 watts each and look like little bricks. I measured the resistance at 51 ohms. Do you think this is close enough or should I reduce it to 50? > > Paul KG5KXG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From paulc22 at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 28 01:17:47 2016 From: paulc22 at sbcglobal.net (Paul C) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 00:17:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] No"tun" for my KX1 In-Reply-To: <1F861330-82AD-48B8-8E0E-31AAEBD86D9E@widomaker.com> References: <641678.34087.bm@smtp213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1F861330-82AD-48B8-8E0E-31AAEBD86D9E@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <190271.72622.bm@smtp225.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> All I was trying to say is that since I have so many odd questions, it would be a whole lot more efficient to actually talk on the phone with someone. Luckily for me Don has offered to do just this, and I'm sure we'll get my situation straightened out. Yeah, I read the manual and website too, and while I understand most of it, there are some descriptions which can be interpreted in a few different ways, so this has left me a bit confused. Anyway, thanks for the tips. Paul KG5KXG -----Original Message----- From: "Nr4c" Sent: ?12/?27/?2016 10:38 PM To: "Paul C" Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] No"tun" for my KX1 Have you looked at the web site or even the manual for the radio concerning tech support? Manual??? Download the PDF from the website. YES, Virginia, they do have real tech support. But I'll bet you'll find the answers here as well. Likely from the owners or designers themselves. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 27, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Paul C wrote: > > I was wondering if Elecraft has a real tech support phone number or official support email address aside from this user forum. I ask because I am a novice to this rig and QRP in general, and I have several short critical questions which are much too tedious for email. > > Construction went smoothly but now I'm at the testing point and I'm a little uncertain on what to expect. The manual is a little vague. I guess I need a genuine tutorial. > > I called the number lists in the manual and it was disconnected. > > Thank you, > > Paul KG5KXG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From wb9cac at yahoo.com Wed Dec 28 01:20:35 2016 From: wb9cac at yahoo.com (Bill Ellis) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 06:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Hi SWR on 40mtrs In-Reply-To: <2020890713.2179968.1482791019182@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2020890713.2179968.1482791019182.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2020890713.2179968.1482791019182@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1087974737.2848717.1482906035237@mail.yahoo.com> To all that provided assistance with this problem.... ?many thanks.? Yes, the antenna was set to ANT 2. Story is for 47 yrs I ran a Drake B-line and when something was changed on the radio, it affected the entire unit. Along comes my K3( love this radio) and now I've learned that there are parts that are set on individual bands. When I was asked if the K3 was set to ANT 2, I responded no. BUT at that moment was not on 40 meters. I then switched to 40 and then saw that 40 WAS set to ANT 2...problem solved. 73's and thanks all, Bill Ellis, WB9CAC From: Bill Ellis To: Elecraft Support ; Elecraft K3 ; Elecraft Reflector Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 3:23 PM Subject: Hi SWR on 40mtrs Hi all,? My K3 has been operating quite well until yesterday. I went to tune-up om 40 mtrs and the autotuner registered 25:1. On all other bands, it tunes properly. I then put my analyzer on the coax in the shack and it read 2.1:1. Should not be a problem for the autotuner. From what I'm seeing, the problem appears to be with the K3. What am I missing here? Thanks for any help. Bill Ellis, WB9CAC From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Dec 28 03:26:20 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 23:26:20 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies Message-ID: <201612280826.uBS8QKKL020493@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> http://www.kl7uw.com/2M80_inside_1.jpg In the photo the large black square at bottom of the pc board is a surface-mount 56-ohm 35w resistor (good at 2m) and available from Mouser. I believe there were 51-ohm values also. This used in a 23-dB pi-attenuator to take 10w down to 50mw for driving a Toshiba SAV-36 RF amplifier module in the 80w 2m amp that I build. W6PQL sells 150w surface mount loads that are good at 1296 MHz. All you need is a small pcb and a large heat sink. TO-220 form probably more convenient as one can mount them directly to a heat sink with a tapped hole for a 4-40 machine screw and using a little heat sink compound. If the heat sink is large enough air cooling is sufficient. I have a big old Sierra Electronic 500w coaxial load with heat sink and built in power meter; weighs about 40-50 lbs; makes a dandy door stop, too! It is rated to 1000-MHz. Got in trade somewhere? I would not want to pay retail for one; probably in range of $2/watt. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Dec 28 03:52:16 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 00:52:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <201612280826.uBS8QKKL020493@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201612280826.uBS8QKKL020493@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <481eebeb-cf1f-714e-e4c3-8778225de1ed@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,12/28/2016 12:26 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > I have a big old Sierra Electronic 500w coaxial load with heat sink > and built in power meter; weighs about 40-50 lbs; makes a dandy door > stop, too! It is rated to 1000-MHz. I found a nice oil-cooled dummy load with a big heat sink integral to it at a hamfest many years ago. It's rated 500W continuous. That was a good day. Doorstop -- you betcha! :) Measured it with my VNWA and found that it's good well into UHF. No attached power meter though, but found a nice Bird with some slugs on another day. I've also found industrial quality 10W and 100W dummy loads at hamfests that were salvaged from cell sites. One purchase yielded nearly ten of them. This is the sort of stuff I look for at hamfests (some call them flea markets or swap meets). Also high quality connectors and adapters. 73, Jim K9YC From n7xy at n7xy.net Wed Dec 28 04:43:01 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 01:43:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2ACBL question Message-ID: I'm planning on using my KX2 to drive an amplifier other than the KXPA100. What type of 2.5 mm connector is needed to interface with the KX2ACBL cable for the amp keying connection? It should only require tip and shield but I wanted to make sure before I fab a cable to go to my amp. Bob, N7XY From K1WHS at metrocast.net Wed Dec 28 09:23:14 2016 From: K1WHS at metrocast.net (David Olean) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 14:23:14 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <481eebeb-cf1f-714e-e4c3-8778225de1ed@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <201612280826.uBS8QKKL020493@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> <481eebeb-cf1f-714e-e4c3-8778225de1ed@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: It always pays to keep your eyes open. The local (and only ) surplus store here has a pile of heat sinks that look just great for a 250 watt solid state PA. The good part is that they also have a pair of SMA connectors, PC boards, and associated flanged 50 ohm resistor good for several hundred watts. I think I paid $15 for one, so I got two DC to 2.4 GHz dummy loads for $7.50 each. It is easy to modify them for what ever connector you want. Jim is right, but always bring a pocket ohm meter! heh heh. Dave K1WHS On 12/28/2016 8:52 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Wed,12/28/2016 12:26 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: >> I have a big old Sierra Electronic 500w coaxial load with heat sink >> and built in power meter; weighs about 40-50 lbs; makes a dandy door >> stop, too! It is rated to 1000-MHz. > > I found a nice oil-cooled dummy load with a big heat sink integral to > it at a hamfest many years ago. It's rated 500W continuous. That was a > good day. Doorstop -- you betcha! :) Measured it with my VNWA and > found that it's good well into UHF. No attached power meter though, > but found a nice Bird with some slugs on another day. > > I've also found industrial quality 10W and 100W dummy loads at > hamfests that were salvaged from cell sites. One purchase yielded > nearly ten of them. > > This is the sort of stuff I look for at hamfests (some call them flea > markets or swap meets). Also high quality connectors and adapters. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k1whs at metrocast.net > From tposey at nettally.com Wed Dec 28 09:40:01 2016 From: tposey at nettally.com (Terry Posey) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:40:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [PR6] K4RX PR6 and KXV3 For Sale Message-ID: <017601d26118$46456cb0$d2d04610$@nettally.com> FOR SALE: Personal PR6 for sale. It includes the two male to male BNC adapters, the 12 volt power cable that plugs into the K3, and the 15 pin accessory plug that plugs into the K3 accessory socket. It is in perfect operating condition. I no longer need an external 6M preamp. Price is $60 and I will ship for free within the 50 USA states. Personal KXV3-2 Rev A (2007) for sale. The K3 KXV3 Interface provides a separate receive antenna input and output (for use with PR6), inputs and outputs for use with an external transverter, and a buffered IF output. Price is $60 and I will ship for free within the 50 USA states. For sale in USA only. I am not prepared for foreign transactions or to ship to foreign locations. 73, Terry K4RX tposey at nettally.com From kb2m at arrl.net Wed Dec 28 09:48:31 2016 From: kb2m at arrl.net (Jeff Griffin) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:48:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SVGA monitor for P3 In-Reply-To: <2006612360.2450431.1482884943724@mail.yahoo.com> References: <9D10D9F6-62F5-429E-B8ED-C1FCD466D7E4@gmail.com> <2006612360.2450431.1482884943724@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03a201d26119$760436b0$620ca410$@net> I recently received a P3SVGA as a Christmas present and would like to redirect its SVGA 1920 by 1080 output fully to an existing PC's monitor as a scalable window via a USB 2.0 port. Anyone doing this please share what hardware and software your using to accomplish this. Thanks in advance... 73 Jeff kb2m -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Harry Yingst via Elecraft Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 7:29 PM To: Carl Yaffey; Mel Farrer via Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SVGA monitor for P3 I run 3 monitors on my computer and instead of dedicating a monitor to the P3's SVGA card I useda VGA Capture card that way I can put it in a window on my desktop and resize or move it around. From: Carl Yaffey To: Mel Farrer via Elecraft Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 7:03 PM Subject: [Elecraft] SVGA monitor for P3 Looking for recommendations for an SVGA monitor to work with the P3. Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kb2m at arrl.net From marklgoldberg at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 09:52:45 2016 From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 07:52:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: References: <201612280826.uBS8QKKL020493@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> <481eebeb-cf1f-714e-e4c3-8778225de1ed@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I also found one of the big oil filled dummy loads at a Hamfest. It handles 500W easily. I bring a phone powered USB powered VNA with me to Hamfests to check things out. You never know what you will find! 73, Mark W7MLG On Dec 28, 2016 8:25 AM, "David Olean" wrote: > It always pays to keep your eyes open. The local (and only ) surplus > store here has a pile of heat sinks that look just great for a 250 watt > solid state PA. The good part is that they also have a pair of SMA > connectors, PC boards, and associated flanged 50 ohm resistor good for > several hundred watts. I think I paid $15 for one, so I got two DC to 2.4 > GHz dummy loads for $7.50 each. It is easy to modify them for what ever > connector you want. Jim is right, but always bring a pocket ohm meter! heh > heh. > > > Dave K1WHS > > > On 12/28/2016 8:52 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Wed,12/28/2016 12:26 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: >> >>> I have a big old Sierra Electronic 500w coaxial load with heat sink and >>> built in power meter; weighs about 40-50 lbs; makes a dandy door stop, >>> too! It is rated to 1000-MHz. >>> >> >> I found a nice oil-cooled dummy load with a big heat sink integral to it >> at a hamfest many years ago. It's rated 500W continuous. That was a good >> day. Doorstop -- you betcha! :) Measured it with my VNWA and found that >> it's good well into UHF. No attached power meter though, but found a nice >> Bird with some slugs on another day. >> >> I've also found industrial quality 10W and 100W dummy loads at hamfests >> that were salvaged from cell sites. One purchase yielded nearly ten of them. >> >> This is the sort of stuff I look for at hamfests (some call them flea >> markets or swap meets). Also high quality connectors and adapters. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k1whs at metrocast.net >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to marklgoldberg at gmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Dec 28 10:40:12 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:40:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SVGA monitor for P3 In-Reply-To: <03a201d26119$760436b0$620ca410$@net> References: <9D10D9F6-62F5-429E-B8ED-C1FCD466D7E4@gmail.com> <2006612360.2450431.1482884943724@mail.yahoo.com> <03a201d26119$760436b0$620ca410$@net> Message-ID: <4f68b847-cbb3-9b89-799c-156f5ade28d5@embarqmail.com> Jeff, For about the same price as a VGA capture device, you may want to consider an LP-Pan2. Connect it to the P3 IF out and connect LP-Pan2 to a good quality soundcard. Running NaP3 or Win4K3 on the computer will give you a panadapter display in a resizable window. The text decode area of the SVGA display will not be present, but then I do not know what you want to see from the SVGA option. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/28/2016 9:48 AM, Jeff Griffin wrote: > I recently received a P3SVGA as a Christmas present and would like to redirect its SVGA 1920 by 1080 output fully to an existing PC's monitor as a scalable window via a USB 2.0 port. Anyone doing this please share what hardware and software your using to accomplish this. Thanks in advance... > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Wed Dec 28 11:25:26 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:25:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SVGA monitor for P3 Message-ID: <3ac598ek4bqf9klsl4trdfwa.1482941738442@email.android.com> HiAbout the only option for a USB capture device for VGA these days is an Epiphan AV.IO HD. It will use a USB 2 interface but 1920x1080 is unlikely to work very well mainly because the refresh rate at 1920x1080 appears a bit too slow. Other resolutoons are fine. These options are expensive.There is one pcie board also available from ?StarTech and they also have a USB 3 device as well. Again expensive.The cheapest option is to find a used avermedia hd game broadcaster or Epiphan vga2usb on ebay.All these options will work with Win4k3 and give full mouse poimt and click control as long as you have a 64 bit operating system.There would be many more inexpensive capture devices if the svga was updated to hdmi.73 Tom? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Jeff Griffin Date: 2016-12-28 9:48 AM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SVGA monitor for P3 I recently received a P3SVGA as a Christmas present and would like to redirect its SVGA 1920 by 1080 output fully to an existing PC's monitor as a scalable window via a USB 2.0 port. Anyone doing this please share what hardware and software your using to accomplish this. Thanks in advance... 73 Jeff kb2m -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Harry Yingst via Elecraft Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 7:29 PM To: Carl Yaffey; Mel Farrer via Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SVGA monitor for P3 I run 3 monitors on my computer and instead of dedicating a monitor to the P3's SVGA card I useda VGA Capture card that way I can put it in a window on my desktop and resize or move it around. ????? From: Carl Yaffey To: Mel Farrer via Elecraft Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 7:03 PM Subject: [Elecraft] SVGA monitor for P3 ?? Looking for recommendations for an SVGA monitor to work with the P3. Carl Yaffey? K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com ?? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kb2m at arrl.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From ron at cobi.biz Wed Dec 28 13:01:05 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:01:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01d26134$5c6f5700$154e0500$@biz> Wes makes an excellent point: "window" line and open wire line are not the same. Both the resistive losses in the relatively tiny wires in the window line and the webs of insulation impact its performance as described in his paper. My open wire line is homebrew, using #10 or #12 copper wire spaced with common "dog bone" insulators sold for end insulators. They hold the wires about 3 inches apart. Typically, one spacer every 3 or 4 feet is quite adequate to maintain the spacing with the lines under tension. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes Stewart Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 8:00 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies You might be interested in this: http://k6mhe.com/n7ws/Ladder_Line.pdf On 12/27/2016 1:22 PM, Paul C wrote: > Here's another naive idea of mine: I'm planning to use ladder line too. Now I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, when I realize coax will be my only practical choice. > > Paul KG5KXG > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From m.matthew.george at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 13:55:26 2016 From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:55:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <481eebeb-cf1f-714e-e4c3-8778225de1ed@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <201612280826.uBS8QKKL020493@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> <481eebeb-cf1f-714e-e4c3-8778225de1ed@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I guess I'll chime in on the dummy load discussion (pictures below). Over the last few months, I have picked up a couple Bird Termaline Coaxial Resistor dummy loads (these may be the models K9YC is referring to). I got tired of the crappy cantenna style QRO loads that are typical of the current Ham Radio market. The capillary motion of the oil getting all over the top of the can... attracting dirt, bugs etc... these usually get relegated to the garage sooner than later. (or dumpster) I have never seen any leaking from the following Bird oil filled dummy loads. Nor have I had to replace any of the gaskets. This thread is a bit off topic at this point, but In my humble opinion, I would consider the following Bird dummy loads to be ones to consider for your shack. If you are patient on fleaBay, you will find some really good deals, especially if you are willing to clean them up and have been filled with the proper dielectric oil. I don't think anyone would buy one new... over $800 for the Bird 8401 listed below for example. But at surplus / used prices, if you can find one from $50 to $250, it will be the last QRO dummy load you will ever buy. They all use Bird QC connectors like you would find on a Bird 43 watt meter. If you make it through this email, I'll admit I got a little obsessed with buying and cleaning up several Bird dummy loads! I'm guilty as accused... ;) *Bird 8401* (the perfect ham shack dummy load IMHO, still in production ) Over $800 new???. I was very lucky to find a new / old stock one of these with the cardboard still wrapped around it for $250 shipped. $250 for a dummy load you ask??? Well for a commercial piece of Bird equipment that will handle 600 watts continuous and is good from DC to 3ghz. De-rated, this load will handle 1.5kw for 10 minutes easily and more if you put a fan on it. This is more dummy load than I'll ever need in the shack and the one I will never sell. Here are pictures of my *Bird 8401*: http://www.nc7j.com/downloads/ng7m/Bird8401DummyLoad/ (new old stock, no cleanup required) *Bird 8404* (identical to the 8401 except that it has an N connector gender bender with mount on the front). I picked up one of these in rough shape shipped for $52 shipped and restored it for my good buddy W7CT Jim. We added new Shell dielectric transformer oil and the total cost was $82. Here are pictures of W7CT's $82 *Bird 8404* (before and after cleanup with new oil): http://www.nc7j.com/downloads/W7CT/Bird%208404%20Coaxial%20Resistor%20Termaline/ *Bird 8201* Most common Bird 500 watt dummy load you will find on fleaBay. Still in production . I picked up one of these in great shape shipped for ~$150. This will be the easiest model to find and probably the best value. Rated from DC to 1ghz, it's probably the best bargain in a Bird QRO dummy load that is still in production. Again, de-rated, this will handle 1.5kw for many minutes... and more with a fan. Before and after clean up pictures of my *Bird 8201 *(like new condition): http://www.nc7j.com/downloads/ng7m/Bird8201DummyLoad/ *Bird 8135* Little brother dummy load to the 8401 / 8201, still in production . 150 watts continuous. These are easily found on fleaBay in the $60 to $150 price range. 150 watts continuous. Good from DC to 4ghz with a bit higher VSWR along the way. The one I found was like new and looks like the current production pictures on the Bird website. A cool little oil filled dummy load to pair up with your K3 line, or match with an 8201/8401. *Bird 8166* Dry 150 watt continuous dummy load, good from DC to 2.5ghz with a bit higher VSWR (no longer in production ). You can find these used for around $65 to $150. Anyway, this is more information than most wanted to see in dummy loads!! There are many other Bird models out there. I got over my Bird dummy load obsession, but I'm happy with what I found and they all make a great addition to the shack. There are certainly models from Bird that will handle much more power, but I'm still of the opinion that the 84/82 line are the perfect size for use in the shack. Off my dummy load soap box. Max NG7M On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 1:52 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Wed,12/28/2016 12:26 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > >> I have a big old Sierra Electronic 500w coaxial load with heat sink and >> built in power meter; weighs about 40-50 lbs; makes a dandy door stop, >> too! It is rated to 1000-MHz. >> > > I found a nice oil-cooled dummy load with a big heat sink integral to it > at a hamfest many years ago. It's rated 500W continuous. That was a good > day. Doorstop -- you betcha! :) Measured it with my VNWA and found that > it's good well into UHF. No attached power meter though, but found a nice > Bird with some slugs on another day. > > I've also found industrial quality 10W and 100W dummy loads at hamfests > that were salvaged from cell sites. One purchase yielded nearly ten of them. > > This is the sort of stuff I look for at hamfests (some call them flea > markets or swap meets). Also high quality connectors and adapters. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m.matthew.george at gmail.com > -- M. George From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Dec 28 15:56:34 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 12:56:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <20161228030537134@smtp618.redcondor.net> References: <20161228030537134@smtp618.redcondor.net> Message-ID: <323cf07a-34aa-e26b-527c-4db30dface76@foothill.net> The Summits On The Air crowd, at least one of whom "runs" up mountains, has had very good luck with end-fed half-waves. The transformer weighs next to nothing, and the rest is just wire. Requires no counterpoise, very ground insensitive since it's fed at a voltage node. Also because of that, you need no coax, just an adapter between rig and transformer. The higher you can get the middle [current node] the better, but it will work very well with just about any elevation on the far end. For 40, it's about 67 ft of wire, and is a full-wave on 20 and will work well there. My KX1, when I still had it, had no problem finding a match. My HOA-Stealth here at home is an 80-10 EFHW strung about 6 ft high along the top of a wooden fence. Works surprisingly well. Fred K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County --Northern California Contest Club --CU in the Cal QSO Party --7-8 Oct 2017 From idarack at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 16:31:20 2016 From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 16:31:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - PF1 and PF2 Macros Message-ID: Is there a way to set up a Macro's in PF1 and PF2 on the K3s that sets the Micro Phone Bias on or off in addition to the K-Pod Macros that I already have? I want to set PF1 for a Desktop Mic that does not require Bias and PF2 for a Headset Mic that requires Bias Thanks and Happy New Year, Irwin KD3TB From carl at n8vz.com Wed Dec 28 16:31:43 2016 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?utf-8?Q?Carl_J=C3=B3n_Denbow?=) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 16:31:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 4Sale: Loaded K3s In-Reply-To: <5859DB38.20800@qth.com> References: <16E93767-3DA5-4445-B1CF-35AF2D038C2B@qth.com> <5859C75D.1040408@n8vz.com> <5859DB38.20800@qth.com> Message-ID: Price reduced to $4150.00, which includes CONUS shipping. 73, Carl N8VZ Sent from my iPhone =========================== Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! =========================== > On Dec 20, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: > > Here you go: > > As a result of a swap, I have ended up with three K3-line rigs. I'm going to sell one. The rig for sale is a K3s originally purchased on 9/8/2015. It has just returned from Elecraft where it was factory aligned and checked out and, according to the Elecraft Repair Report, now "meets or exceeds all factory specfications." This rig is loaded. It includes the following: > KPA3A-F 100W Upgrade > KAT3A-F ATU > KTCX03-1-F K3 TCXO > KFL3A-2.8 2.8 KHz Filter > KFL3A-6K-IR-F K3 6 KHz 8 pole filter > KFL3B-FM-IR-F FM-bandwith filter > KBPF3A General Coverage RX > KRX3A-K K3 2nd RX Modular Kit > K144XV-K 2M Module > Bought new, with all of these modules, the rig costs $4879.50. I will sell for $4200.00, including shipping to your QTH in the Continental United States. PayPal Only. The rig is still in the box which Elecraft used to return it to me. I will take the invoice out, add the manual and sent it to the buyer. > >> Dean L Tuesday, December 20, 2016 7:30 PM >> Carl >> Seems like a lot of work! >> You went through the effort of cross posting it, tell us more about the k3s here. >> 73 >> Dean K2WW >> > > -- > ================================== > Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ > Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 > > carl at n8vz.com > http://www.n8vz.com > EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 > > PSK and JT65 Forever! > ================================== From k9ma at sdellington.us Wed Dec 28 16:32:22 2016 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 15:32:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <323cf07a-34aa-e26b-527c-4db30dface76@foothill.net> References: <20161228030537134@smtp618.redcondor.net> <323cf07a-34aa-e26b-527c-4db30dface76@foothill.net> Message-ID: I've had good luck with the end fed 40 M half wave, too. I use it with the KX1 to do CWT's on bicycle tours (in warmer weather). While the transformer and ATU apparently works, I wanted a really good match to maximize output power, so I built a small QRP tuner for it: http://sdellington.us/hr/EFHW_Tuner2.pdf Most of the parts come from the Pacific Antenna BLT+ kit, which they were willing to sell me without the case. 73, Scott K9MA On 12/28/2016 14:56, Fred Jensen wrote: > The Summits On The Air crowd, at least one of whom "runs" up > mountains, has had very good luck with end-fed half-waves. The > transformer weighs next to nothing, and the rest is just wire. > Requires no counterpoise, very ground insensitive since it's fed at a > voltage node. Also because of that, you need no coax, just an adapter > between rig and transformer. The higher you can get the middle > [current node] the better, but it will work very well with just about > any elevation on the far end. > > For 40, it's about 67 ft of wire, and is a full-wave on 20 and will > work well there. My KX1, when I still had it, had no problem finding > a match. My HOA-Stealth here at home is an 80-10 EFHW strung about 6 > ft high along the top of a wooden fence. Works surprisingly well. > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > --Northern California Contest Club > --CU in the Cal QSO Party > --7-8 Oct 2017 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9ma at sdellington.us -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From idarack at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 16:37:06 2016 From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 16:37:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Heil Microphone Settings Message-ID: I have two Microphones and looking for recommendations on settings. Current settings are: Heil GM-5 Desktop - rPH (Bias Off) Heil Proset 6 iC Headset - rPH (Bias On) Any recommendations on the Equilizer settings? -- Thanks and Happy New Year, Irwin KD3TB From ctate at ewnetinc.com Wed Dec 28 16:47:02 2016 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 21:47:02 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: References: <20161228030537134@smtp618.redcondor.net> <323cf07a-34aa-e26b-527c-4db30dface76@foothill.net>, Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1294F75B@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> I just ordered a number of options from SotaBeams in the UK to compliment my KX2. http://www.sotabeams.co.uk/antennas-hf/ Small and sometimes conveniently packed options make taking the fully qrv ready rig to the Caribbean very easy. Even as a big gun contester I am having alot of fun with the little feature packed KX2 and its portable potential. they also sell a telescopic 30 ft fiberglass mast that breaks down to 26". amazing what you can fit in a backpack these days ;-). Chris N6WM ________________________________________ From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of K9MA [k9ma at sdellington.us] Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 1:32 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna I've had good luck with the end fed 40 M half wave, too. I use it with the KX1 to do CWT's on bicycle tours (in warmer weather). While the transformer and ATU apparently works, I wanted a really good match to maximize output power, so I built a small QRP tuner for it: http://sdellington.us/hr/EFHW_Tuner2.pdf Most of the parts come from the Pacific Antenna BLT+ kit, which they were willing to sell me without the case. 73, Scott K9MA On 12/28/2016 14:56, Fred Jensen wrote: > The Summits On The Air crowd, at least one of whom "runs" up > mountains, has had very good luck with end-fed half-waves. The > transformer weighs next to nothing, and the rest is just wire. > Requires no counterpoise, very ground insensitive since it's fed at a > voltage node. Also because of that, you need no coax, just an adapter > between rig and transformer. The higher you can get the middle > [current node] the better, but it will work very well with just about > any elevation on the far end. > > For 40, it's about 67 ft of wire, and is a full-wave on 20 and will > work well there. My KX1, when I still had it, had no problem finding > a match. My HOA-Stealth here at home is an 80-10 EFHW strung about 6 > ft high along the top of a wooden fence. Works surprisingly well. > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > --Northern California Contest Club > --CU in the Cal QSO Party > --7-8 Oct 2017 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9ma at sdellington.us -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From kb2m at arrl.net Wed Dec 28 16:51:23 2016 From: kb2m at arrl.net (Jeff Griffin) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 16:51:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SVGA monitor for P3 In-Reply-To: <4f68b847-cbb3-9b89-799c-156f5ade28d5@embarqmail.com> References: <9D10D9F6-62F5-429E-B8ED-C1FCD466D7E4@gmail.com> <2006612360.2450431.1482884943724@mail.yahoo.com> <03a201d26119$760436b0$620ca410$@net> <4f68b847-cbb3-9b89-799c-156f5ade28d5@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <046001d26154$8860ad30$99220790$@net> Well Don, this whole quest started when I started using Flex radios alongside my K3. I was running an original LP-Pan with NaP3 s/w happily for years. I bought a fullduplex FlexRadio VU5K to use on Satellites and found that I had problems trying to run two copies of PowerSDR simultaneously in the same PC. As I had no room to setup another PC up here, something had to go. It was the LP-Pan , soundcard setup. I then purchased a P3 to replace it. The P3 is fine but I desired a larger panadaptor display for HF, but I don't even have a lot of room for another monitor. That's where I'm at right now. On the advise of Tom I found an open box Epiphan vga2usb on ebay. I made an offer of about 1/2 the cost of a new one and it was excepted. I should have it in a few days. If it doesn't work as expected, I can give it to my son for his gaming system. Merry Christmas... What I don't understand about this is why would anyone want to buy a P3 then use its IF out to drive a LP-Pan? The text decode stuff? HNY and 73 Jeff kb2m -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 10:40 AM To: Jeff Griffin; 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SVGA monitor for P3 Jeff, For about the same price as a VGA capture device, you may want to consider an LP-Pan2. Connect it to the P3 IF out and connect LP-Pan2 to a good quality soundcard. Running NaP3 or Win4K3 on the computer will give you a panadapter display in a resizable window. The text decode area of the SVGA display will not be present, but then I do not know what you want to see from the SVGA option. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/28/2016 9:48 AM, Jeff Griffin wrote: > I recently received a P3SVGA as a Christmas present and would like to redirect its SVGA 1920 by 1080 output fully to an existing PC's monitor as a scalable window via a USB 2.0 port. Anyone doing this please share what hardware and software your using to accomplish this. Thanks in advance... > From k9ma at sdellington.us Wed Dec 28 17:03:04 2016 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 16:03:04 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1294F75B@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> References: <20161228030537134@smtp618.redcondor.net> <323cf07a-34aa-e26b-527c-4db30dface76@foothill.net> <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1294F75B@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: <52e9a1e5-72c7-f620-1788-af35b5184244@sdellington.us> If you're willing to spend a little more for less weight, this outfit has carbon-fiber fishing poles of various lengths: allfishingbuy.com The one I have extends to 38 feet, weighs about 500 grams, and collapses to 34 inches. The tip is pretty floppy, but it holds up my AWG 26 wire. Stiffer ones are available, but they're heavier, though sometimes cheaper. You do have to keep the wire away from the pole, as it's conductive. Never, ever lay it on the ground when some klutz can step on it, though. 73, Scott K9MA On 12/28/2016 15:47, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote: > I just ordered a number of options from SotaBeams in the UK to compliment my KX2. > > http://www.sotabeams.co.uk/antennas-hf/ > > Small and sometimes conveniently packed options make taking the fully qrv ready rig to the Caribbean very easy. > > Even as a big gun contester I am having alot of fun with the little feature packed KX2 and its portable potential. they also sell a telescopic 30 ft fiberglass mast that breaks down to 26". amazing what you can fit in a backpack these days ;-). > > Chris > N6WM > > > ________________________________________ > From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of K9MA [k9ma at sdellington.us] > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 1:32 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna > > I've had good luck with the end fed 40 M half wave, too. I use it with > the KX1 to do CWT's on bicycle tours (in warmer weather). While the > transformer and ATU apparently works, I wanted a really good match to > maximize output power, so I built a small QRP tuner for it: > > http://sdellington.us/hr/EFHW_Tuner2.pdf > > Most of the parts come from the Pacific Antenna BLT+ kit, which they > were willing to sell me without the case. > > 73, > > Scott K9MA > > > > On 12/28/2016 14:56, Fred Jensen wrote: >> The Summits On The Air crowd, at least one of whom "runs" up >> mountains, has had very good luck with end-fed half-waves. The >> transformer weighs next to nothing, and the rest is just wire. >> Requires no counterpoise, very ground insensitive since it's fed at a >> voltage node. Also because of that, you need no coax, just an adapter >> between rig and transformer. The higher you can get the middle >> [current node] the better, but it will work very well with just about >> any elevation on the far end. >> >> For 40, it's about 67 ft of wire, and is a full-wave on 20 and will >> work well there. My KX1, when I still had it, had no problem finding >> a match. My HOA-Stealth here at home is an 80-10 EFHW strung about 6 >> ft high along the top of a wooden fence. Works surprisingly well. >> >> Fred K6DGW >> Sparks NV DM09dn >> Washoe County >> >> --Northern California Contest Club >> --CU in the Cal QSO Party >> --7-8 Oct 2017 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9ma at sdellington.us > > -- > Scott K9MA > > k9ma at sdellington.us > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From ron at cobi.biz Wed Dec 28 18:43:29 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 15:43:29 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <323cf07a-34aa-e26b-527c-4db30dface76@foothill.net> References: <20161228030537134@smtp618.redcondor.net> <323cf07a-34aa-e26b-527c-4db30dface76@foothill.net> Message-ID: <003401d26164$316915c0$943b4140$@biz> While the efficiency as a radiator of a half wave end fed wire is relatively unaffected by the "ground" return, some sort of "ground" is needed to keep the whole rig from floating up to the RF potential at the end of the antenna. Often a hunk of wire roughly 1/4 wave long thrown on the ground is adequate. I too have had excellent results with them. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 12:57 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna The Summits On The Air crowd, at least one of whom "runs" up mountains, has had very good luck with end-fed half-waves. The transformer weighs next to nothing, and the rest is just wire. Requires no counterpoise, very ground insensitive since it's fed at a voltage node. Also because of that, you need no coax, just an adapter between rig and transformer. The higher you can get the middle [current node] the better, but it will work very well with just about any elevation on the far end. For 40, it's about 67 ft of wire, and is a full-wave on 20 and will work well there. My KX1, when I still had it, had no problem finding a match. My HOA-Stealth here at home is an 80-10 EFHW strung about 6 ft high along the top of a wooden fence. Works surprisingly well. Fred K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County --Northern California Contest Club --CU in the Cal QSO Party --7-8 Oct 2017 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Dec 28 19:14:50 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 16:14:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <003401d26164$316915c0$943b4140$@biz> References: <20161228030537134@smtp618.redcondor.net> <323cf07a-34aa-e26b-527c-4db30dface76@foothill.net> <003401d26164$316915c0$943b4140$@biz> Message-ID: <35becbc7-3a29-49a7-7c42-1f9a90222e9c@foothill.net> Ron is correct ... however my experience is that the rig, headphone cable, power cable from the battery, and me [holding the KX1] is more than sufficient. For mine at home, it is fed with about 25 ft of coax, the shield of which serves that purpose. If you attempt to model it with NEC-2, and all you care about are the radiation patterns, you don't need a counterpoise in the model. While NEC-2 *really* doesn't like a source connected to the end of a wire, it only affects the source impedance values. If you want those to be reasonably accurate and real, a short wire is necessary ... anything over a few feet seems to work just fine and is in no way critical. Fred K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 12/28/2016 3:43 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > While the efficiency as a radiator of a half wave end fed wire is relatively > unaffected by the "ground" return, some sort of "ground" is needed to keep > the whole rig from floating up to the RF potential at the end of the > antenna. Often a hunk of wire roughly 1/4 wave long thrown on the ground is > adequate. > > I too have had excellent results with them. > > 73 Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred > Jensen > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 12:57 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna > > The Summits On The Air crowd, at least one of whom "runs" up mountains, has > had very good luck with end-fed half-waves. The transformer weighs next to > nothing, and the rest is just wire. Requires no counterpoise, very ground > insensitive since it's fed at a voltage node. Also because of that, you > need no coax, just an adapter between rig and transformer. > The higher you can get the middle [current node] the better, but it will > work very well with just about any elevation on the far end. > > For 40, it's about 67 ft of wire, and is a full-wave on 20 and will work > well there. My KX1, when I still had it, had no problem finding a match. > My HOA-Stealth here at home is an 80-10 EFHW strung about 6 ft high along > the top of a wooden fence. Works surprisingly well. > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > --Northern California Contest Club > --CU in the Cal QSO Party > --7-8 Oct 2017 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4739/13664 - Release Date: 12/28/16 > > From n7xy at n7xy.net Wed Dec 28 20:18:50 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 17:18:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2ACBL question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I found the connections in the KXPA100 manual. On 12/28/16 1:43 AM, Bob Nielsen wrote: > I'm planning on using my KX2 to drive an amplifier other than the > KXPA100. What type of 2.5 mm connector is needed to interface with > the KX2ACBL cable for the amp keying connection? It should only > require tip and shield but I wanted to make sure before I fab a cable > to go to my amp. > > Bob, N7XY > > From wb9hco at wi.rr.com Wed Dec 28 20:22:00 2016 From: wb9hco at wi.rr.com (WB9HCO) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 18:22:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and SM1000 FreeDV Adapter Message-ID: <1482974520779-7625099.post@n2.nabble.com> I have a SM1000 FreeDV encoder. see: http://www.rowetel.com/?page_id=3902 In my first attempt to connect it, before levels could be adjusted in either transmit or receive, I got an PTT error message. My initial attempt resulted in a PTT error. Also had some hum, I tried two different wall wort's, both of which were old school linear supplies. but have to figure out the PTT before it matters :>) Has anyone had any success using this? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-and-SM1000-FreeDV-Adapter-tp7625099.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Dec 28 21:20:33 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 21:20:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Display Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2041D61F-7E78-4D2B-A5B1-0853240D738E@widomaker.com> You pressed and held the Menu button to display F-Key labels and you have not created any. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 27, 2016, at 5:43 PM, James Bennett wrote: > > Once again, the brain has abandoned me. On my PX3, the white outlined box that shows signals on the top part and waterfall on the bottom is only occupying about 2/3 of the glass screen. What I mean is that the bottom of the white outline does not come all the way down to the bottom of the glass area. The top area containing signals and waterfall occupy just under 1-1/2 inches, and the rest (underneath, about 3/4 inch) is black. What have I done that has caused me to loose 1/3 of my PX3 display? If I adjust the ?Waterfall? value in the menu, it varies the amount of the display the waterfall takes up, but it does not affect that bottom line. > > I?ve looked through the Menu entries several times but don?t see anything that jumps out and says ?adjust display height? or something like that. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > Tnx, Jim / W6JHB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From john at kk9a.com Wed Dec 28 21:22:07 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 21:22:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Heil Microphone Settings Message-ID: <005a01d2617a$5ab40fa0$101c2ee0$@com> There are some on Heil's site. GL John From: Irwin Darack idarack I have two Microphones and looking for recommendations on settings. Current settings are: Heil GM-5 Desktop - rPH (Bias Off) Heil Proset 6 iC Headset - rPH (Bias On) Any recommendations on the Equilizer settings? -- Thanks and Happy New Year, Irwin KD3TB From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Dec 28 21:33:19 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 18:33:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Heil Microphone Settings In-Reply-To: <005a01d2617a$5ab40fa0$101c2ee0$@com> References: <005a01d2617a$5ab40fa0$101c2ee0$@com> Message-ID: <13242797-5C40-470B-BC23-9B5824658AB0@wunderwood.org> These TX EQ settings are for the KX3, but the advice is all from experienced K3 users. The TX EQ is the same for both rigs, as far as I can tell. https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/09/09/transmit-audio-and-compression-with-the-elecraft-kx3/ wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 28, 2016, at 6:22 PM, wrote: > > There are some on Heil's site. > > GL > John > > From: Irwin Darack idarack > > I have two Microphones and looking for recommendations on settings. Current > settings are: > > Heil GM-5 Desktop - rPH (Bias Off) > > Heil Proset 6 iC Headset - rPH (Bias On) > > Any recommendations on the Equilizer settings? > > -- > Thanks and Happy New Year, Irwin KD3TB > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From w6jhb at me.com Wed Dec 28 22:04:09 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 19:04:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Display Help In-Reply-To: <2041D61F-7E78-4D2B-A5B1-0853240D738E@widomaker.com> References: <2041D61F-7E78-4D2B-A5B1-0853240D738E@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <73D2FF2D-55A1-4C3F-8611-78B162686B97@me.com> Thanks guys - got it resolved. Thanks for all the correct answers! Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Dec 28, 2016, at 6:20 PM, Nr4c wrote: > > You pressed and held the Menu button to display F-Key labels and you have not created any. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Dec 27, 2016, at 5:43 PM, James Bennett wrote: >> >> Once again, the brain has abandoned me. On my PX3, the white outlined box that shows signals on the top part and waterfall on the bottom is only occupying about 2/3 of the glass screen. What I mean is that the bottom of the white outline does not come all the way down to the bottom of the glass area. The top area containing signals and waterfall occupy just under 1-1/2 inches, and the rest (underneath, about 3/4 inch) is black. What have I done that has caused me to loose 1/3 of my PX3 display? If I adjust the ?Waterfall? value in the menu, it varies the amount of the display the waterfall takes up, but it does not affect that bottom line. >> >> I?ve looked through the Menu entries several times but don?t see anything that jumps out and says ?adjust display height? or something like that. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated! >> >> Tnx, Jim / W6JHB >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > From rpfjeld at outlook.com Wed Dec 28 23:07:06 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 04:07:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: <001e01d26134$5c6f5700$154e0500$@biz> References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001e01d26134$5c6f5700$154e0500$@biz> Message-ID: FWIW, comments to consider about open wire feedline from my experience: Window line has shattered in the cold winter winds. Frost, snow, and ice easily accumulates. It catches the wind easily. On the plus side, window line conductors do not fold over on each other. Conductors stay evenly spaced. Ladder line does require measures to keep conductors from twisting and folding over on each other. As Ron mentions, tension is necessary. Ladder line has less problems in inclement weather. Ladder line is much better in the wind. I designed my loop and ladder line so that I can melt ice off it. That would be more difficult to do with window line. Dick, n0ce On 12/28/2016 12:01 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Wes makes an excellent point: "window" line and open wire line are not the > same. Both the resistive losses in the relatively tiny wires in the window > line and the webs of insulation impact its performance as described in his > paper. > > My open wire line is homebrew, using #10 or #12 copper wire spaced with > common "dog bone" insulators sold for end insulators. They hold the wires > about 3 inches apart. Typically, one spacer every 3 or 4 feet is quite > adequate to maintain the spacing with the lines under tension. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > From n8lp at telepostinc.com Wed Dec 28 23:18:48 2016 From: n8lp at telepostinc.com (Larry Phipps) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 23:18:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SVGA monitor for P3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58648EA8.3050008@telepostinc.com> Actually, Don, there is a text decode window available in NaP3 for the K3 or KX3, and it's independently movable and sizable. Larry N8LP On 12/28/2016 10:04 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 10:40 AM > To: Jeff Griffin; 'Elecraft Reflector' > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SVGA monitor for P3 > > Jeff, > > For about the same price as a VGA capture device, you may want to consider > an LP-Pan2. Connect it to the P3 IF out and connect LP-Pan2 to a good > quality soundcard. > Running NaP3 or Win4K3 on the computer will give you a panadapter display in > a resizable window. > > The text decode area of the SVGA display will not be present, but then I do > not know what you want to see from the SVGA option. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From k9ma at sdellington.us Wed Dec 28 23:20:47 2016 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 22:20:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <35becbc7-3a29-49a7-7c42-1f9a90222e9c@foothill.net> References: <20161228030537134@smtp618.redcondor.net> <323cf07a-34aa-e26b-527c-4db30dface76@foothill.net> <003401d26164$316915c0$943b4140$@biz> <35becbc7-3a29-49a7-7c42-1f9a90222e9c@foothill.net> Message-ID: <03ffe6fc-9005-ceb0-cb41-e6d38168c81c@sdellington.us> The counterpoise for an end fed half wave (or multiple) really doesn't have to be anywhere near a quarter wave long. The feedpoint impedance is something over 2000 Ohms. I use a single wire about 8 feet long, which seems to work fine. NEC agrees. My simple test is to get it perfectly matched, then put my hand on the tuner box. If the SWR doesn't change, the counterpoise is adequate. I did recently try the 40 M half wave on 80, with two quarter wave radials. There was, of course, some "rf in the shack", but it didn't cause any problems, and the antenna seemed to work fairly well, especially considering that it was in the bottom of Death Valley. 73, Scott K9MA On 12/28/2016 18:14, Fred Jensen wrote: > Ron is correct ... however my experience is that the rig, headphone > cable, power cable from the battery, and me [holding the KX1] is more > than sufficient. For mine at home, it is fed with about 25 ft of > coax, the shield of which serves that purpose. > > If you attempt to model it with NEC-2, and all you care about are the > radiation patterns, you don't need a counterpoise in the model. While > NEC-2 *really* doesn't like a source connected to the end of a wire, > it only affects the source impedance values. If you want those to be > reasonably accurate and real, a short wire is necessary ... anything > over a few feet seems to work just fine and is in no way critical. > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > On 12/28/2016 3:43 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> While the efficiency as a radiator of a half wave end fed wire is >> relatively >> unaffected by the "ground" return, some sort of "ground" is needed to >> keep >> the whole rig from floating up to the RF potential at the end of the >> antenna. Often a hunk of wire roughly 1/4 wave long thrown on the >> ground is >> adequate. >> >> I too have had excellent results with them. >> >> 73 Ron AC7AC >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Fred >> Jensen >> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 12:57 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna >> >> The Summits On The Air crowd, at least one of whom "runs" up >> mountains, has >> had very good luck with end-fed half-waves. The transformer weighs >> next to >> nothing, and the rest is just wire. Requires no counterpoise, very >> ground >> insensitive since it's fed at a voltage node. Also because of that, you >> need no coax, just an adapter between rig and transformer. >> The higher you can get the middle [current node] the better, but it will >> work very well with just about any elevation on the far end. >> >> For 40, it's about 67 ft of wire, and is a full-wave on 20 and will work >> well there. My KX1, when I still had it, had no problem finding a >> match. >> My HOA-Stealth here at home is an 80-10 EFHW strung about 6 ft high >> along >> the top of a wooden fence. Works surprisingly well. >> >> Fred K6DGW >> Sparks NV DM09dn >> Washoe County >> >> --Northern California Contest Club >> --CU in the Cal QSO Party >> --7-8 Oct 2017 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message >> delivered to ron at elecraft.com >> -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From n7tb at comcast.net Wed Dec 28 23:30:10 2016 From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 20:30:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] loss through KXPA100 if running with PA Off on KX3 Message-ID: <002301d2618c$3e769440$bb63bcc0$@comcast.net> I have the KX3 and KXPA100. If I turn off the PA from the menu on the KX3, is there an significant power loss, say I am running at 15 watts, going through the amp antenna connection instead of connecting the antenna directly to the KX3? Thanks, Terry, N7TB From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 29 00:33:46 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 00:33:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <03ffe6fc-9005-ceb0-cb41-e6d38168c81c@sdellington.us> References: <20161228030537134@smtp618.redcondor.net> <323cf07a-34aa-e26b-527c-4db30dface76@foothill.net> <003401d26164$316915c0$943b4140$@biz> <35becbc7-3a29-49a7-7c42-1f9a90222e9c@foothill.net> <03ffe6fc-9005-ceb0-cb41-e6d38168c81c@sdellington.us> Message-ID: Scott, If the radiator is not a half wave long, it is not a "half wave". Yes, a random length wire may work, but please do not call a random length a half wave - the length of a half wave is quite specific. Similarly, a quarter wavelength is a specific length at a particular frequency. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/28/2016 11:20 PM, K9MA wrote: > The counterpoise for an end fed half wave (or multiple) really doesn't > have to be anywhere near a quarter wave long. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 29 00:36:23 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 00:36:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] loss through KXPA100 if running with PA Off on KX3 In-Reply-To: <002301d2618c$3e769440$bb63bcc0$@comcast.net> References: <002301d2618c$3e769440$bb63bcc0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <11db166f-667a-15fa-45b0-9d5380eceae0@embarqmail.com> Terry, There should be no loss when the KXPA100 is turned off. OK, maybe a wee bit, but certainly not significant. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/28/2016 11:30 PM, Terry Brown wrote: > I have the KX3 and KXPA100. If I turn off the PA from the menu on the KX3, > is there an significant power loss, say I am running at 15 watts, going > through the amp antenna connection instead of connecting the antenna > directly to the KX3? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Terry, N7TB > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From la9nea at online.no Thu Dec 29 02:17:07 2016 From: la9nea at online.no (Viggo Magnus Nilsen) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 08:17:07 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s or K3 Message-ID: Hello . Any have an K3s or K3 for sale ? KIT of it never build.......also of interest. Pse mail me direct if you have something to offer : la9nea at online.no 73 Viggo LA9NEA From fred at fmeco.com Thu Dec 29 08:04:27 2016 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 08:04:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: References: <20161228030537134@smtp618.redcondor.net> <323cf07a-34aa-e26b-527c-4db30dface76@foothill.net> <003401d26164$316915c0$943b4140$@biz> <35becbc7-3a29-49a7-7c42-1f9a90222e9c@foothill.net> <03ffe6fc-9005-ceb0-cb41-e6d38168c81c@sdellington.us> Message-ID: Don, Thank you very much, for pointing out a very common issue that gets mixed up into discussions. Your point is so valid the random wire always seems to get mixed into the 1/2 wave discussion for some reason.. and should never be mixed together. you are absolutely correct.. thanks again regards.. Fred On 12/29/16 12:33 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Scott, > > If the radiator is not a half wave long, it is not a "half wave". > Yes, a random length wire may work, but please do not call a random > length a half wave - the length of a half wave is quite specific. > Similarly, a quarter wavelength is a specific length at a particular > frequency. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/28/2016 11:20 PM, K9MA wrote: >> The counterpoise for an end fed half wave (or multiple) really doesn't >> have to be anywhere near a quarter wave long. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com > -- Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com fred at safes.com phone: 321-217-8699 From gdanner12 at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 08:52:56 2016 From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (George Danner) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 08:52:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] loss through KXPA100 if running with PA Off on KX3 In-Reply-To: <11db166f-667a-15fa-45b0-9d5380eceae0@embarqmail.com> References: <002301d2618c$3e769440$bb63bcc0$@comcast.net> <11db166f-667a-15fa-45b0-9d5380eceae0@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5540FE53BBBD4432B0DC784D9B4EB178@GeorgenLouise> Terry, Could you be using Ant2? I believe the KXPA100 bypasses to Ant 1. 73 George AI4VZ From: Don Wilhelm Terry, There should be no loss when the KXPA100 is turned off. OK, maybe a wee bit, but certainly not significant. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/28/2016 11:30 PM, Terry Brown wrote: > I have the KX3 and KXPA100. If I turn off the PA from the menu on the > KX3, > is there an significant power loss, say I am running at 15 watts, going > through the amp antenna connection instead of connecting the antenna > directly to the KX3? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Terry, N7TB From mjisted at btinternet.com Thu Dec 29 09:01:07 2016 From: mjisted at btinternet.com (mjisted) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:01:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna Message-ID: Looking at your text message on the elecraft board. About a half wave length ...here is a question for you. I'm going to put up a half wavelength of wire for the 5 mhz band. ..hyendfed can I use a quarter wave length of counter point as a radiator ground plane. ..? The. ..G0MVP.? mjisted at btinternet.com Sent from Samsung Mobile
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From: Fred Moore
Date:29/12/2016 13:04 (GMT+00:00)
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna
Don, Thank you very much, for pointing out a very common issue that gets mixed up into discussions. Your point is so valid the random wire always seems to get mixed into the 1/2 wave discussion for some reason.. and should never be mixed together. you are absolutely correct.. thanks again regards.. Fred On 12/29/16 12:33 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Scott, > > If the radiator is not a half wave long, it is not a "half wave". > Yes, a random length wire may work, but please do not call a random > length a half wave - the length of a half wave is quite specific. > Similarly, a quarter wavelength is a specific length at a particular > frequency. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/28/2016 11:20 PM, K9MA wrote: >> The counterpoise for an end fed half wave (or multiple) really doesn't >> have to be anywhere near a quarter wave long. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com > -- Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com fred at safes.com phone: 321-217-8699 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mjisted at btinternet.com From Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com Thu Dec 29 09:17:19 2016 From: Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com (James Rodenkirch) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:17:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Need help with getting WSJT X to continue working with my KX3 Message-ID: Problem: I can turn on the KX3, start WSJT X 1.6 and commence decoding and making QSOs. However, if I change to a different band, I can't make QSOs on that band or go back to the original band and make Qs. Adjusting ALC on the new band works...power out is the same, etc. Is there some magical "order of events" I'm not following? I use Dimension 4 time sync. Thoughts?? If you are knowledgeable on JT ops and system setup, we can take the conversation off line... Thank you, in advance for any assistance....72 de Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV From c-hawley at illinois.edu Thu Dec 29 09:41:10 2016 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 07:41:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] SVGA monitor for P3 In-Reply-To: <9D10D9F6-62F5-429E-B8ED-C1FCD466D7E4@gmail.com> References: <9D10D9F6-62F5-429E-B8ED-C1FCD466D7E4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1483022470442-7625113.post@n2.nabble.com> Well...the whole idea of the SVGA option is to have a simple big screen. I'm using an ACER S202HL monitor. 20 inch. Works well...no computer, sound card, dodads, or other stuff involved. Two wires, power and video cable. ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/SVGA-monitor-for-P3-tp7625058p7625113.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ve3wdm at hotmail.com Thu Dec 29 09:50:16 2016 From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (Mike Weir) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:50:16 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Help with macro for spot funtion. Message-ID: Good morning all, I am in the process of programing macros to my K-pod. I have been successful with all but the spot macro. According to the Elecraft K3 and KX3 programmers rev E11 on page 22 I am to enter an open and closed single quotation with a period in the middle. Funny thing is I can't seem to find the single quotations on the keyboard? Help Mike VE3WDM From fred at fmeco.com Thu Dec 29 10:30:13 2016 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 10:30:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> With an end fed 1/4 wave you only need a counterpoise that is about .05 wave length. it can be the coax or another counterpoise. Although a counterpoise has some effect on radiation pattern of a quarter wave radiator, it is minimal. You won't see much improvement in performance by going above .05 wave length.. it's not worth the trouble to increase the counterpoise length.. Fred On 12/29/16 9:01 AM, mjisted wrote: > Looking at your text message on the elecraft board. About a half wave > length ...here is a question for you. I'm going to put up a half > wavelength of wire for the 5 mhz band. ..hyendfed can I use a quarter > wave length of counter point as a radiator ground plane. .. > The. ..G0MVP. > > mjisted at btinternet.com > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Fred Moore > Date:29/12/2016 13:04 (GMT+00:00) > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna > > Don, > > Thank you very much, for pointing out a very common issue that gets > mixed up into discussions. Your point is so valid the random wire > always seems to get mixed into the 1/2 wave discussion for some > reason.. and should never be mixed together. you are absolutely > correct.. thanks again regards.. Fred > > > On 12/29/16 12:33 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Scott, > > > > If the radiator is not a half wave long, it is not a "half wave". > > Yes, a random length wire may work, but please do not call a random > > length a half wave - the length of a half wave is quite specific. > > Similarly, a quarter wavelength is a specific length at a particular > > frequency. > > > > 73, > > Don W3FPR > > > > On 12/28/2016 11:20 PM, K9MA wrote: > >> The counterpoise for an end fed half wave (or multiple) really doesn't > >> have to be anywhere near a quarter wave long. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com > > > > -- > Fred Moore > email: fred at fmeco.com > fred at safes.com > phone: 321-217-8699 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mjisted at btinternet.com > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. -- Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com fred at safes.com phone: 321-217-8699 From k9ma at sdellington.us Thu Dec 29 11:09:54 2016 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 10:09:54 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> Message-ID: <3956C9BD-939F-4BCC-997E-B8DDCA9B4636@sdellington.us> I think Fred meant an end fed 1/2 wave, NOT 1/4 wave. 73, Scott K9MA ---------- Scott Ellington --- via iPad > On Dec 29, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Fred Moore wrote: > > With an end fed 1/4 wave you only need a counterpoise that is about .05 > wave length. it can be the coax or another counterpoise. Although a > counterpoise has some effect on radiation pattern of a quarter wave > radiator, it is minimal. You won't see much improvement in performance > by going above .05 wave length.. it's not worth the trouble to increase > the counterpoise length.. Fred > > >> On 12/29/16 9:01 AM, mjisted wrote: >> Looking at your text message on the elecraft board. About a half wave >> length ...here is a question for you. I'm going to put up a half >> wavelength of wire for the 5 mhz band. ..hyendfed can I use a quarter >> wave length of counter point as a radiator ground plane. .. >> The. ..G0MVP. >> >> mjisted at btinternet.com >> >> >> Sent from Samsung Mobile >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Fred Moore >> Date:29/12/2016 13:04 (GMT+00:00) >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna >> >> Don, >> >> Thank you very much, for pointing out a very common issue that gets >> mixed up into discussions. Your point is so valid the random wire >> always seems to get mixed into the 1/2 wave discussion for some >> reason.. and should never be mixed together. you are absolutely >> correct.. thanks again regards.. Fred >> >> >>> On 12/29/16 12:33 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> Scott, >>> >>> If the radiator is not a half wave long, it is not a "half wave". >>> Yes, a random length wire may work, but please do not call a random >>> length a half wave - the length of a half wave is quite specific. >>> Similarly, a quarter wavelength is a specific length at a particular >>> frequency. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>>> On 12/28/2016 11:20 PM, K9MA wrote: >>>> The counterpoise for an end fed half wave (or multiple) really doesn't >>>> have to be anywhere near a quarter wave long. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com >>> >> >> -- >> Fred Moore >> email: fred at fmeco.com >> fred at safes.com >> phone: 321-217-8699 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mjisted at btinternet.com >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >> believed to be clean. > > -- > Fred Moore > email: fred at fmeco.com > fred at safes.com > phone: 321-217-8699 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9ma at sdellington.us From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Thu Dec 29 11:12:39 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 08:12:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Help with macro for spot funtion. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Single quote is to the left of the 1 key ` Ken At 06:50 AM 12/29/2016, Mike Weir wrote: >Good morning all, I am in the process of programing macros to my >K-pod. I have been successful with all but the spot macro. According >to the Elecraft K3 and KX3 programmers rev E11 on page 22 I am to >enter an open and closed single quotation with a period in the >middle. Funny thing is I can't seem to find the single quotations on >the keyboard? > >Help > >Mike > >VE3WDM >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 29 11:16:45 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:16:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> Message-ID: <3b8c42a3-6bff-4e8e-6b1f-d2081becf63a@embarqmail.com> I think this is mixing up 1/2 wave radiators and 1/4 wave radiators. To be resonant, a 1/4 wave wire needs another 1/4 wave "counterpoise" - think of a center fed dipole - it has 1/4 wave on each side whether one side is a monopole (vertical) and the other 1/4 wave is an elevated radial or buried radials of indeterminate length, or whether it is a dipole with the center in the air. A 1/2 wave radiator fed at the end theoretically does not need any counterpoise, but in practice it does - but only needs to be about 0.05 wavelength long. Refer to some antenna books (the ARRL has a good one) or the ARRL Handbook for good information about basic antennas. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/29/2016 10:30 AM, Fred Moore wrote: > With an end fed 1/4 wave you only need a counterpoise that is about .05 > wave length. it can be the coax or another counterpoise. Although a > counterpoise has some effect on radiation pattern of a quarter wave > radiator, it is minimal. You won't see much improvement in performance > by going above .05 wave length.. it's not worth the trouble to increase > the counterpoise length.. Fred > > > On 12/29/16 9:01 AM, mjisted wrote: >> Looking at your text message on the elecraft board. About a half wave >> length ...here is a question for you. I'm going to put up a half >> wavelength of wire for the 5 mhz band. ..hyendfed can I use a quarter >> wave length of counter point as a radiator ground plane. .. >> The. ..G0MVP. >> >> mjisted at btinternet.com >> >> >> Sent from Samsung Mobile >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Fred Moore >> Date:29/12/2016 13:04 (GMT+00:00) >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna >> >> Don, >> >> Thank you very much, for pointing out a very common issue that gets >> mixed up into discussions. Your point is so valid the random wire >> always seems to get mixed into the 1/2 wave discussion for some >> reason.. and should never be mixed together. you are absolutely >> correct.. thanks again regards.. Fred >> >> >> On 12/29/16 12:33 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> Scott, >>> >>> If the radiator is not a half wave long, it is not a "half wave". >>> Yes, a random length wire may work, but please do not call a random >>> length a half wave - the length of a half wave is quite specific. >>> Similarly, a quarter wavelength is a specific length at a particular >>> frequency. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 12/28/2016 11:20 PM, K9MA wrote: >>>> The counterpoise for an end fed half wave (or multiple) really doesn't >>>> have to be anywhere near a quarter wave long. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com >>> >> >> -- >> Fred Moore >> email: fred at fmeco.com >> fred at safes.com >> phone: 321-217-8699 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mjisted at btinternet.com >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >> believed to be clean. > From fcady at montana.edu Thu Dec 29 11:31:09 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 16:31:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Help with macro for spot funtion. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mike, You might check the latest programmers manual Rev F8. I don't see anything in that like you indicate. Fred KE7X ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Mike Weir Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 7:50 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Help with macro for spot funtion. Good morning all, I am in the process of programing macros to my K-pod. I have been successful with all but the spot macro. According to the Elecraft K3 and KX3 programmers rev E11 on page 22 I am to enter an open and closed single quotation with a period in the middle. Funny thing is I can't seem to find the single quotations on the keyboard? Help Mike VE3WDM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From rpfjeld at outlook.com Thu Dec 29 11:49:33 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 16:49:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <3b8c42a3-6bff-4e8e-6b1f-d2081becf63a@embarqmail.com> References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> <3b8c42a3-6bff-4e8e-6b1f-d2081becf63a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: With reference to below, I have a question please. I put up a quarter wave inverted-L for 160 meters. My only counterpoise is the ground rods at the base of the tower. I wasn't expecting much, but it does so well I'd like to add a decent counterpoise. If I bury a quarter wave wire, would it be best to put it under the Ariel wire, or opposite from it? Thanks in advance, Dick, n0ce On 12/29/2016 10:16 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I think this is mixing up 1/2 wave radiators and 1/4 wave radiators. > To be resonant, a 1/4 wave wire needs another 1/4 wave "counterpoise" > - think of a center fed dipole - it has 1/4 wave on each side whether > one side is a monopole (vertical) and the other 1/4 wave is an > elevated radial or buried radials of indeterminate length, or whether > it is a dipole with the center in the air. > > A 1/2 wave radiator fed at the end theoretically does not need any > counterpoise, but in practice it does - but only needs to be about > 0.05 wavelength long. > > Refer to some antenna books (the ARRL has a good one) or the ARRL > Handbook for good information about basic antennas. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/29/2016 10:30 AM, Fred Moore wrote: >> With an end fed 1/4 wave you only need a counterpoise that is about .05 >> wave length. it can be the coax or another counterpoise. Although a >> counterpoise has some effect on radiation pattern of a quarter wave >> radiator, it is minimal. You won't see much improvement in performance >> by going above .05 wave length.. it's not worth the trouble to increase >> the counterpoise length.. Fred >> >> >> On 12/29/16 9:01 AM, mjisted wrote: >>> Looking at your text message on the elecraft board. About a half wave >>> length ...here is a question for you. I'm going to put up a half >>> wavelength of wire for the 5 mhz band. ..hyendfed can I use a quarter >>> wave length of counter point as a radiator ground plane. .. >>> The. ..G0MVP. >>> >>> mjisted at btinternet.com >>> >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Mobile >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Fred Moore >>> Date:29/12/2016 13:04 (GMT+00:00) >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna >>> >>> Don, >>> >>> Thank you very much, for pointing out a very common issue that gets >>> mixed up into discussions. Your point is so valid the random wire >>> always seems to get mixed into the 1/2 wave discussion for some >>> reason.. and should never be mixed together. you are absolutely >>> correct.. thanks again regards.. Fred >>> >>> >>> On 12/29/16 12:33 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>> Scott, >>>> >>>> If the radiator is not a half wave long, it is not a "half wave". >>>> Yes, a random length wire may work, but please do not call a random >>>> length a half wave - the length of a half wave is quite specific. >>>> Similarly, a quarter wavelength is a specific length at a particular >>>> frequency. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>> On 12/28/2016 11:20 PM, K9MA wrote: >>>>> The counterpoise for an end fed half wave (or multiple) really >>>>> doesn't >>>>> have to be anywhere near a quarter wave long. >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Fred Moore >>> email: fred at fmeco.com >>> fred at safes.com >>> phone: 321-217-8699 >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to mjisted at btinternet.com >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , >>> and is >>> believed to be clean. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rpfjeld at outlook.com -- From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 29 11:37:16 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:37:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Need help with getting WSJT X to continue working with my KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, JT is no different than any other soundcard data mode. You should be following the data mode setup instructions in the KX3 manual rather than the information on the internet which is generic for common transceivers which control power output differently than the Elecraft gear. Are you using DATA A mode? If not, you should be. Yes, it is the same as USB, but with the compression and TX EQ automatically turned off. Are you driving the ALC meter to 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing? That is the "No ALC" point for the K3/K3S/KX3 and KX2. Inadequate audio drive will cause the problems that you are experiencing. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/29/2016 9:17 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote: > > Problem: I can turn on the KX3, start WSJT X 1.6 and commence decoding and making QSOs. > > However, if I change to a different band, I can't make QSOs on that band or go back to the original band and make Qs. > > Adjusting ALC on the new band works...power out is the same, etc. > > Is there some magical "order of events" I'm not following? > > I use Dimension 4 time sync. > > Thoughts?? If you are knowledgeable on JT ops and system setup, we can take the conversation off line... > From w6jhb at me.com Thu Dec 29 12:03:52 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:03:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Need help with getting WSJT X to continue working with my KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jim, I?ve got the KX3 (and a K3) and had run WSJT-X 1.6.0 for a long time. I installed 1.7.0 rc1 and now use 1.7.0 rc3. There is no magical stuff required to change from one band to another. What DOES work when you change to another band? Are you certain that it is sending RF? The red TX light goes on / you can see the ALC bars (number 5 just flashing) on the KX3 meter? I run my KX3 connected to a Raspberry Pi computer; the K3 is running with an Apple iMac on OS X. Neither of them have any sort of ?secondary? time sync service. What happens when you go to another band? Are you seeing a ?normal? number of decodes? And if so, what are you seeing under the ?DT? column? If the numbers are around the 1, 0, -1, or -2 mark then your time sync is not the problem. One thing to consider? if you are running the KX3 barefoot (12-15 watts), you are competing with guys running well over that level. I had one op tell me that he consistently runs 50 watts on JT65, day or night. That kind of power, coupled with a directional yagi, will put you at a big disadvantage, especially if you are using a wire antenna, like I do. The vast majority of JT operators see a CQ, double click on the CQ?ers call and answer him/her. That puts you on the caller?s frequency. Consider if there are five or six people answering the CQ?er what must be happening! The high power, directional antenna guy ?usually" gets the QSO. In version 1.7.0 the decoding engine has been improved quite a bit and multiple stations on the same frequency get decoded much more successfully. I liken this to our Fox Hunts, and why the foxii want us hounds to go ?UP? and not all on his frequency. Soooooo?. It may just be circumstances causing you to not get a QSO, and nothing to do with your software or rig. As I said, nothing magical about changing bands. 73, Jim / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:17 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote: > > > Problem: I can turn on the KX3, start WSJT X 1.6 and commence decoding and making QSOs. > > However, if I change to a different band, I can't make QSOs on that band or go back to the original band and make Qs. > > Adjusting ALC on the new band works...power out is the same, etc. > > Is there some magical "order of events" I'm not following? > > I use Dimension 4 time sync. > > Thoughts?? If you are knowledgeable on JT ops and system setup, we can take the conversation off line... > > Thank you, in advance for any assistance....72 de Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 29 12:05:36 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 12:05:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> <3b8c42a3-6bff-4e8e-6b1f-d2081becf63a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <4655a0b5-fcbb-2431-954c-ca7f86917d5f@embarqmail.com> Dick, With buried radials, they do not have to be 1/4 wave long, and a single one will probably not make much difference over your ground rod. What you want to accomplish is a "ground screen", which means many short (about 1/8 wavelength) close to the base of the radiator and a few extending out further (to 1/4 or 1/2 wavelength). Ground conductivity plays a great part in buried radials, and what you are trying to accomplish is to increase the ground conductivity in the area at the base of the antenna. If you were instead using elevated radials, they would have to be resonant - think of the various "ground plane" antennas that have been published - 1/4 wave radiator plus 2 or 4 1/4 wave radials. Buried radials do not have to be resonant, elevated radials must be resonant. The ground effects will alter the resonance of buried radials while radials in the air are a part of the total antenna resonance. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/29/2016 11:49 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > With reference to below, I have a question please. I put up a quarter > wave inverted-L for 160 meters. My only counterpoise is the ground rods > at the base of the tower. I wasn't expecting much, but it does so well > I'd like to add a decent counterpoise. > > If I bury a quarter wave wire, would it be best to put it under the > Ariel wire, or opposite from it? > Thanks in advance, From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Dec 29 12:15:20 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:15:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] loss through KXPA100 if running with PA Off on KX3 In-Reply-To: <5540FE53BBBD4432B0DC784D9B4EB178@GeorgenLouise> References: <002301d2618c$3e769440$bb63bcc0$@comcast.net> <11db166f-667a-15fa-45b0-9d5380eceae0@embarqmail.com> <5540FE53BBBD4432B0DC784D9B4EB178@GeorgenLouise> Message-ID: <9F24FE99-654F-4D68-B626-775CF2339CA0@wunderwood.org> In this review, the measured KXAT100 bypass loss was measured at 0%. The measurement had an accuracy of +/- 3%. http://www.ad5x.com/images/Presentations/KXPAreview.pdf wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 29, 2016, at 5:52 AM, George Danner wrote: > > Terry, > Could you be using Ant2? > I believe the KXPA100 bypasses to Ant 1. > 73 > George > AI4VZ > > > From: Don Wilhelm > Terry, > > There should be no loss when the KXPA100 is turned off. > OK, maybe a wee bit, but certainly not significant. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/28/2016 11:30 PM, Terry Brown wrote: >> I have the KX3 and KXPA100. If I turn off the PA from the menu on the KX3, >> is there an significant power loss, say I am running at 15 watts, going >> through the amp antenna connection instead of connecting the antenna >> directly to the KX3? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Terry, N7TB > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From rodenkirch_llc at msn.com Thu Dec 29 12:34:54 2016 From: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com (James Rodenkirch) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:34:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Need help with getting WSJT X to continue working with my KX3 Message-ID: Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone I am receiving info needed to correct this problem....time sync may be off or intermittent. I am using Dimension 4...may try something different. Thanks to all who replied. Jim R. K9JWV On 12/29/2016 9:17 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote: > > Problem: I can turn on the KX3, start WSJT X 1.6 and commence decoding and making QSOs. > > However, if I change to a different band, I can't make QSOs on that band or go back to the original band and make Qs. > > Adjusting ALC on the new band works...power out is the same, etc. > > Is there some magical "order of events" I'm not following? > > I use Dimension 4 time sync. > > Thoughts?? If you are knowledgeable on JT ops and system setup, we can take the conversation off line... > From kk5f at earthlink.net Thu Dec 29 13:09:05 2016 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 12:09:05 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna Message-ID: <24207785.5593.1483034946249@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Don wrote: > A 1/2 wave radiator fed at the end theoretically does not need > any counterpoise, but in practice it does - but only needs to > be about 0.05 wavelength long. > > Refer to some antenna books (the ARRL has a good one) or the ARRL > Handbook for good information about basic antennas. The concise clarity of Don's input to this thread is refreshing. Such seem to occur rarely in ham discussions about antennas. With respect to classical end-fed half-wave antennas, I think of the end-fed Zepp[elin] and the common VHF J-poles. Mike / KK5F From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 13:34:56 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 18:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <4655a0b5-fcbb-2431-954c-ca7f86917d5f@embarqmail.com> References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> <3b8c42a3-6bff-4e8e-6b1f-d2081becf63a@embarqmail.com> <4655a0b5-fcbb-2431-954c-ca7f86917d5f@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <2120685010.3175059.1483036496244@mail.yahoo.com> One thing I will add that has not been commented on, is the way of feeding a 1/2 wl wire with a 1/4 wl twin lead. Where one side of the twin lead at the top is connected to the 1/2 wl wire.? You can feed the twin lead at the bottom with a 1:1 choke and you don't need a ground. Then for the upper bands, tie the twin lead together and feed it against your counterpoise.? The twin lead does not have to be completely vertical either.? Mel, K6KBE From: Don Wilhelm To: Richard Fjeld ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna Dick, With buried radials, they do not have to be 1/4 wave long, and a single one will probably not make much difference over your ground rod. What you want to accomplish is a "ground screen", which means many short (about 1/8 wavelength) close to the base of the radiator and a few extending out further (to 1/4 or 1/2 wavelength). Ground conductivity plays a great part in buried radials, and what you are trying to accomplish is to increase the ground conductivity in the area at the base of the antenna. If you were instead using elevated radials, they would have to be resonant - think of the various "ground plane" antennas that have been published - 1/4 wave radiator plus 2 or 4 1/4 wave radials. Buried radials do not have to be resonant, elevated radials must be resonant.? The ground effects will alter the resonance of buried radials while radials in the air are a part of the total antenna resonance. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/29/2016 11:49 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > With reference to below, I have a question please.? I put up a quarter > wave inverted-L for 160 meters.? My only counterpoise is the ground rods > at the base of the tower.? I wasn't expecting much, but it does so well > I'd like to add a decent counterpoise. > > If I bury a quarter wave wire, would it be best to put it under the > Ariel wire, or opposite from it? > Thanks in advance, ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From wa6ara at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 13:51:44 2016 From: wa6ara at gmail.com (Mike Herr) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 10:51:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 and K2 prices? Message-ID: I am contemplating some shack changes with the new year, maybe going to a KX2. What would the group say would be a reasonable price for a KX1 (80 and 30 meter added, internal tuner) and a K2 (with 160, 60, ssb) ? -- Mike Herr WA6ARA DM-15dp Home of The QRP Ranch No trees were killed in the sending of this message, however, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. "Dad says that anyone who can't use a slide rule is a cultural illiterate and should not be allowed to vote. Mine is a beauty - a K&E 20-inch Log-log Duplex Decitrig." - Robert Heinlein From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Dec 29 13:58:46 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 10:58:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> Message-ID: Nothing in this post is true. Optimum length for a counterpoise is a quarter wave. Radials are a form of counterpoise, and their optimum length is also a quarter wave. More radials reduce ground losses. Failing to provide an adequate counterpoise will cause the antenna's return current to flow on your coax, which makes the rig hot with RF. That's not much of a problem with 5W, but it can be a very big deal with 100W or more. Of course, it does depend on what you mean by "much" and "minimal." Inadequate counterpoise or radial systems can easily reduce you signal by 6 dB. That's an S-unit, and it reduces your 5W signal to 1.25W. I wouldn't call that minimal or "not much." 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,12/29/2016 7:30 AM, Fred Moore wrote: > With an end fed 1/4 wave you only need a counterpoise that is about .05 > wave length. it can be the coax or another counterpoise. Although a > counterpoise has some effect on radiation pattern of a quarter wave > radiator, it is minimal. You won't see much improvement in performance > by going above .05 wave length.. it's not worth the trouble to increase > the counterpoise length.. From anyone1545 at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 13:35:55 2016 From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Gmail) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:35:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] End fed antennas. Message-ID: <610A0F98-4A04-4EDC-B42D-FD44D110F6E7@gmail.com> The number and length of radials determines the efficiency of end fed monopole antennas, how much power radiates and how much dissipates in the ground. That's why half wave broadcast AM verticals have 120, 0.4 wavelength radials. So if you want to keep the fish worms warm, don't use radials. Ray W8LYJ. Sent from my iPad From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Dec 29 14:01:39 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:01:39 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> <3b8c42a3-6bff-4e8e-6b1f-d2081becf63a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: This slides for a talk I've done at Pacificon and for several ham clubs will tell you everything you need to know about it! http://audiosystemsgroup.com/160MPacificon.pdf 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,12/29/2016 8:49 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > With reference to below, I have a question please. I put up a quarter > wave inverted-L for 160 meters. My only counterpoise is the ground rods > at the base of the tower. I wasn't expecting much, but it does so well > I'd like to add a decent counterpoise. From rpfjeld at outlook.com Thu Dec 29 14:09:24 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:09:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <4655a0b5-fcbb-2431-954c-ca7f86917d5f@embarqmail.com> References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> <3b8c42a3-6bff-4e8e-6b1f-d2081becf63a@embarqmail.com> <4655a0b5-fcbb-2431-954c-ca7f86917d5f@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Charlie and Don, that helps. This is the first time I have gone with an antenna that needs radials/ground poise. Dick, n0ce On 12/29/2016 11:05 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Dick, > > With buried radials, they do not have to be 1/4 wave long, and a > single one will probably not make much difference over your ground rod. > What you want to accomplish is a "ground screen", which means many > short (about 1/8 wavelength) close to the base of the radiator and a > few extending out further (to 1/4 or 1/2 wavelength). > > Ground conductivity plays a great part in buried radials, and what you > are trying to accomplish is to increase the ground conductivity in the > area at the base of the antenna. > > If you were instead using elevated radials, they would have to be > resonant - think of the various "ground plane" antennas that have been > published - 1/4 wave radiator plus 2 or 4 1/4 wave radials. > Buried radials do not have to be resonant, elevated radials must be > resonant. The ground effects will alter the resonance of buried > radials while radials in the air are a part of the total antenna > resonance. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From mveeneman at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 14:36:36 2016 From: mveeneman at yahoo.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:36:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Help with macro for spot funtion. In-Reply-To: <20161229161405.A49B1149AFDF@mailman.qth.net> References: <20161229161405.A49B1149AFDF@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: It refers to the dot on the K2 SPOT key. The other parenthesized characters refer to numerals on the same ?keypad? on the front of the K3. The . is left of the CWT/0 key. ? Marc W8SDG > On Dec 29, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Ken Arck wrote: > > Single quote is to the left of the 1 key ` > > Ken > > > At 06:50 AM 12/29/2016, Mike Weir wrote: >> Good morning all, I am in the process of programing macros to my K-pod. I have been successful with all but the spot macro. According to the Elecraft K3 and KX3 programmers rev E11 on page 22 I am to enter an open and closed single quotation with a period in the middle. Funny thing is I can't seem to find the single quotations on the keyboard? >> >> Help >> >> Mike >> >> VE3WDM >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > President and CTO - Arcom Communications > Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. > http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ > Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and > we offer complete repeater packages! > AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 > http://www.irlp.net > "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mveeneman at yahoo.com From mveeneman at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 14:37:10 2016 From: mveeneman at yahoo.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:37:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Help with macro for spot funtion. In-Reply-To: References: <20161229161405.A49B1149AFDF@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: Sorry, K3, not K2. > On Dec 29, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote: > > It refers to the dot on the K2 SPOT key. The other parenthesized characters refer to numerals on the same ?keypad? on the front of the K3. The . is left of the CWT/0 key. > ? > Marc W8SDG > >> On Dec 29, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Ken Arck > wrote: >> >> Single quote is to the left of the 1 key ` >> >> Ken >> >> >> At 06:50 AM 12/29/2016, Mike Weir wrote: >>> Good morning all, I am in the process of programing macros to my K-pod. I have been successful with all but the spot macro. According to the Elecraft K3 and KX3 programmers rev E11 on page 22 I am to enter an open and closed single quotation with a period in the middle. Funny thing is I can't seem to find the single quotations on the keyboard? >>> >>> Help >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> VE3WDM >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> President and CTO - Arcom Communications >> Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. >> http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ >> Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and >> we offer complete repeater packages! >> AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 >> http://www.irlp.net >> "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mveeneman at yahoo.com From fred at fmeco.com Thu Dec 29 15:09:24 2016 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 15:09:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <3956C9BD-939F-4BCC-997E-B8DDCA9B4636@sdellington.us> References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> <3956C9BD-939F-4BCC-997E-B8DDCA9B4636@sdellington.us> Message-ID: <9fa9e31d-6681-f6c1-9368-463a4d79d3d1@fmeco.com> oops here I am typing 1/4 when the whole time I was thinking 1/2.. thanks for correcting me.. Fred On 12/29/16 11:09 AM, K9MA wrote: > I think Fred meant an end fed 1/2 wave, NOT 1/4 wave. > > 73, > > Scott K9MA > > ---------- > > Scott Ellington > > --- via iPad > >> On Dec 29, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Fred Moore wrote: >> >> With an end fed 1/4 wave you only need a counterpoise that is about .05 >> wave length. it can be the coax or another counterpoise. Although a >> counterpoise has some effect on radiation pattern of a quarter wave >> radiator, it is minimal. You won't see much improvement in performance >> by going above .05 wave length.. it's not worth the trouble to increase >> the counterpoise length.. Fred >> >> >>> On 12/29/16 9:01 AM, mjisted wrote: >>> Looking at your text message on the elecraft board. About a half wave >>> length ...here is a question for you. I'm going to put up a half >>> wavelength of wire for the 5 mhz band. ..hyendfed can I use a quarter >>> wave length of counter point as a radiator ground plane. .. >>> The. ..G0MVP. >>> >>> mjisted at btinternet.com >>> >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Mobile >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Fred Moore >>> Date:29/12/2016 13:04 (GMT+00:00) >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna >>> >>> Don, >>> >>> Thank you very much, for pointing out a very common issue that gets >>> mixed up into discussions. Your point is so valid the random wire >>> always seems to get mixed into the 1/2 wave discussion for some >>> reason.. and should never be mixed together. you are absolutely >>> correct.. thanks again regards.. Fred >>> >>> >>>> On 12/29/16 12:33 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>> Scott, >>>> >>>> If the radiator is not a half wave long, it is not a "half wave". >>>> Yes, a random length wire may work, but please do not call a random >>>> length a half wave - the length of a half wave is quite specific. >>>> Similarly, a quarter wavelength is a specific length at a particular >>>> frequency. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>>> On 12/28/2016 11:20 PM, K9MA wrote: >>>>> The counterpoise for an end fed half wave (or multiple) really doesn't >>>>> have to be anywhere near a quarter wave long. >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com >>>> >>> -- >>> Fred Moore >>> email: fred at fmeco.com >>> fred at safes.com >>> phone: 321-217-8699 >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to mjisted at btinternet.com >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >>> believed to be clean. >> -- >> Fred Moore >> email: fred at fmeco.com >> fred at safes.com >> phone: 321-217-8699 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9ma at sdellington.us -- Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com fred at safes.com phone: 321-217-8699 From doug at w7kf.com Thu Dec 29 15:27:46 2016 From: doug at w7kf.com (Doug Smith) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:27:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? Message-ID: I was in the CW SS in November using my then new K3S with an ACOM 1500. All of which was *great*. But, then, I received an Official Observer Advisory Notice that I was ?emitting a CW signal with a chirp?. The report detailed a QSO that is, indeed, in my SS log. I was running on 20 meters at the time. FYI, the ACOM is on it?s own 240 VAC circuit and the K3S is on it?s own 120 VAC circuit. The rest of the shack is on a separate 120 VAC circuit. Since receiving the report I?ve listened to my signal on two different receivers and I do not hear a chirp. Is there any possible way I could have somehow misadjusted the K3S during the contest that would result in a chirp? 73, Doug, W7KF http://www.w7kf.com From fred at fmeco.com Thu Dec 29 15:50:20 2016 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 15:50:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> Message-ID: <3ba86f9e-4189-a3fd-2b07-a5de2a05b3a9@fmeco.com> Jim, almost everyone on the list immediately noticed that I accidentally typed 1/4 when I actually meant to type 1/2. They most likely noticed it because the thread has been almost 100% about 1/2 end fed radiators. The person I replied to specifically asked about adding a 1/4 wave counterpoise to a EFHW antenna. It appears that you deleted the part of the message I was replying to and only kept the portion you wanted everyone to see.. My response (this post) has nothing to do with my miss-type (we all oops sometimes) it has 100% to do with making sure you have not confused anyone on the list into thinking an EFHW is the same as a 1/4 wave radiator.. BTW I 100% agree with everything you said about 1/4 wave radiators.. I absolutely do not agree that ground losses are the same on 1/2 wave radiators as they are on 1/4 wave radiators.. Discussions about current node locations can be had another day.. Keep spreading accurate knowledge, everyone needs it, just make sure the knowledge you spread applies to the subject.. otherwise it creates even more confusion.. Regards.. Fred On 12/29/16 1:58 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Nothing in this post is true. Optimum length for a counterpoise is a > quarter wave. Radials are a form of counterpoise, and their optimum > length is also a quarter wave. More radials reduce ground losses. > Failing to provide an adequate counterpoise will cause the antenna's > return current to flow on your coax, which makes the rig hot with RF. > That's not much of a problem with 5W, but it can be a very big deal > with 100W or more. > > Of course, it does depend on what you mean by "much" and "minimal." > Inadequate counterpoise or radial systems can easily reduce you signal > by 6 dB. That's an S-unit, and it reduces your 5W signal to 1.25W. I > wouldn't call that minimal or "not much." > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Thu,12/29/2016 7:30 AM, Fred Moore wrote: >> With an end fed 1/4 wave you only need a counterpoise that is about .05 >> wave length. it can be the coax or another counterpoise. Although a >> counterpoise has some effect on radiation pattern of a quarter wave >> radiator, it is minimal. You won't see much improvement in performance >> by going above .05 wave length.. it's not worth the trouble to increase >> the counterpoise length.. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com > -- Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com fred at safes.com phone: 321-217-8699 From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Dec 29 16:05:17 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:05:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <3ba86f9e-4189-a3fd-2b07-a5de2a05b3a9@fmeco.com> References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> <3ba86f9e-4189-a3fd-2b07-a5de2a05b3a9@fmeco.com> Message-ID: Sorry Fred, I replied to what you wrote, not what you thought. Sometimes my mind-reading skills fail me. :) I agree with your comments in the context of an end-fed half wave radiator. I modeled this in NEC several years ago. The result suggested a dB or so for a full radial system with a half wave vertical over poor ground. 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,12/29/2016 12:50 PM, Fred Moore wrote: > Jim, almost everyone on the list immediately noticed that I > accidentally typed 1/4 when I actually meant to type 1/2. From hlyingst at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 15:41:45 2016 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 20:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Help with macro for spot funtion. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1855296650.3437802.1483044105458@mail.yahoo.com> You want SWT42; As per the manual :Numeric keypad switches (0-9, ?.?, ?<-?) are shown in parentheses. From: Mike Weir To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:50 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Help with macro for spot funtion. Good morning all, I am in the process of programing macros to my K-pod. I have been successful with all but the spot macro. According to the Elecraft K3 and KX3 programmers rev E11 on page 22 I am to enter an open and closed single quotation with a period in the middle. Funny thing is I can't seem to find the single quotations on the keyboard? Help Mike VE3WDM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From hlyingst at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 15:41:45 2016 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 20:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Help with macro for spot funtion. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1855296650.3437802.1483044105458@mail.yahoo.com> You want SWT42; As per the manual :Numeric keypad switches (0-9, ?.?, ?<-?) are shown in parentheses. From: Mike Weir To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:50 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Help with macro for spot funtion. Good morning all, I am in the process of programing macros to my K-pod. I have been successful with all but the spot macro. According to the Elecraft K3 and KX3 programmers rev E11 on page 22 I am to enter an open and closed single quotation with a period in the middle. Funny thing is I can't seem to find the single quotations on the keyboard? Help Mike VE3WDM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From idarack at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 16:09:56 2016 From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 21:09:56 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Help with macro for spot funtion. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, The code for the SPOT function is SWT42. I use it with my K3s in CW and CWT function turned on. Also, I find that to work best, make sure your FINE tuning shows all of the decimals in the LCD screen. I hope this helps, Happy New Year to all, Irwin, KD3TB On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:51 AM Mike Weir wrote: > Good morning all, I am in the process of programing macros to my K-pod. I > have been successful with all but the spot macro. According to the Elecraft > K3 and KX3 programmers rev E11 on page 22 I am to enter an open and closed > single quotation with a period in the middle. Funny thing is I can't seem > to find the single quotations on the keyboard? > > > > Help > > > > Mike > > > > VE3WDM > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to idarack at gmail.com > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Dec 29 16:41:21 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:41:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b6e4948-f959-929b-923c-5d99ebf92741@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,12/29/2016 12:27 PM, Doug Smith wrote: > But, then, I received an Official Observer Advisory Notice that I was ?emitting a CW signal with a chirp?. Doug, Some ideas. It's possible that "the signal with a chirp" was a spurious one caused by instability (oscillation) in your amplifier. By "spurious" I mean not your main signal, but another signal off frequency from it. I would look into how you're setting amplifier power (you should be doing it by setting the K3S to produce just enough output to get the amplifier power that you want), you should NOT be using ALC between the amp and the K3S, and you should be carefully tuning the amp every time you QSY. That "signal with a chirp" could also be the result of RF feedback. That could be caused by a bad connection of a coax shield, or by a bad piece of coax, or even by an antenna that is too close to your shack. Or by equipment that is not properly bonded together. EVERY piece of gear in your station should have short, fat, copper conductors bonding its chassis to every other chassis. 73, Jim K9YC From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Dec 29 16:49:21 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:49:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> Message-ID: <224ee9e9-52c6-c7a3-7be4-04c02d1581e7@foothill.net> I'm fairly certain that Fred meant 1/2 wave ... correct hand, wrong finger, happens to me all the time. This has been going on for a long time, here's a summary and maybe it can rest for awhile: 1. Elecraft ATU's are L-networks. Theoretically, one of the 4 L-net configurations will match any impedance to any other impedance. Practically, for some attempted matches, the required values of L and/or C become unattainable. 2. Any conductor you can get power into will radiate. 3. "Random" length wires will exhibit random impedances at the end [or anywhere else along them]. ATU's will *generally* match those impedances to 50 ohms [or close] for you. 4. Some "random" lengths are better than others for matching with an L-network. They all radiate however [see #2]. 41-43 ft is one, ~26 ft is another. Random length conductors require a counterpoise of some sort. 5. All half-wavelength conductors are created equal in terms of current/voltage distribution. The ends are open circuits ... zero current/infinite voltage. The center is a short circuit ... infinite current/zero voltage. The power on the conductor is constant [ignoring wire resistance]. It doesn't matter where you feed it. A full-wave wire is just two half-waves fed in series. 6. Infinities aren't real of course, the ends are high voltage/small current = Hi-Z [several K ohms]. The center is high current/small voltage = Lo-Z [40-70 ohms]. 7. Feeding a half-wave at the end would seem to require that there be "something" for the other side of the circuit so current can flow. Practically, because the impedance is very high, the current is very low and the "something" doesn't have to be very much. In fact, if the primary of the matching transformer is fed with a couple feet of coax, the shield will provide that "something." So will the wiring around you [headphone cable, power cable, key cable], and you if you're holding your radio. 8. For NEC-2 models, connecting a source to the end of the half-wave wire means there is no return path and it essentially tries to divide by zero, maxing out a floating-point value. It's a little more complex than that, but that's the essence. In such a model, you need to provide a return path for a very small current. On 20 meters, one of my field half-waves requires about 6 in. Anything longer makes no difference. One easy way to construct a "random" length antenna is to peel the outer cover from a length of RG-58, separate the braid at the bottom and pull the center conductor through the hole. The empty braid then becomes the counterpoise and you can trim it to find the "sweet spot" your ATU can easily match. Hope this helps on the subject. Happy New Year to all Fred K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County --Northern California Contest Club --CU in the Cal QSO Party --7-8 Oct 2017 On 12/29/2016 7:30 AM, Fred Moore wrote: > With an end fed 1/4 wave you only need a counterpoise that is about .05 > wave length. it can be the coax or another counterpoise. Although a > counterpoise has some effect on radiation pattern of a quarter wave > radiator, it is minimal. You won't see much improvement in performance > by going above .05 wave length.. it's not worth the trouble to increase > the counterpoise length.. Fred > > > On 12/29/16 9:01 AM, mjisted wrote: >> Looking at your text message on the elecraft board. About a half wave >> length ...here is a question for you. I'm going to put up a half >> wavelength of wire for the 5 mhz band. ..hyendfed can I use a quarter >> wave length of counter point as a radiator ground plane. .. >> The. ..G0MVP. >> >> mjisted at btinternet.com >> From radiok4ia at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 16:53:52 2016 From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 16:53:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81c79d1b-7fe5-815f-8039-c447643c60d3@Gmail.com> I thought chirp was a voltage issue. Any chance your power cable is inadequate, too long or the PowerPoles are not right? Check the voltage on the K3 display when you key down. Buck, k4ia Honor Roll 8BDXCC On 12/29/2016 3:27 PM, Doug Smith wrote: > I was in the CW SS in November using my then new K3S with an ACOM 1500. All of which was *great*. > > But, then, I received an Official Observer Advisory Notice that I was ?emitting a CW signal with a chirp?. The report detailed a QSO that is, indeed, in my SS log. I was running on 20 meters at the time. > > FYI, the ACOM is on it?s own 240 VAC circuit and the K3S is on it?s own 120 VAC circuit. The rest of the shack is on a separate 120 VAC circuit. > > Since receiving the report I?ve listened to my signal on two different receivers and I do not hear a chirp. Is there any possible way I could have somehow misadjusted the K3S during the contest that would result in a chirp? > > 73, > Doug, W7KF > http://www.w7kf.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to radiok4ia at gmail.com > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Dec 29 16:53:57 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:53:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <4655a0b5-fcbb-2431-954c-ca7f86917d5f@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I may be seriously wrong, but shorter than 1/4 wave ground mounted radials are probably affected by the same ground tuning effects that allow a Beverage on the Ground antenna to be considerably shorter than one mounted above the ground. If this is really what is going on, then a bit longer than 1/8 wave should be about right for radials on/under the ground. 73 Bill AE6JV On 12/29/16 at 9:05 AM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: >With buried radials, they do not have to be 1/4 wave long, and >a single one will probably not make much difference over your >ground rod. >What you want to accomplish is a "ground screen", which means >many short (about 1/8 wavelength) close to the base of the >radiator and a few extending out further (to 1/4 or 1/2 wavelength). > >Ground conductivity plays a great part in buried radials, and >what you are trying to accomplish is to increase the ground >conductivity in the area at the base of the antenna. > >If you were instead using elevated radials, they would have to >be resonant - think of the various "ground plane" antennas that >have been published - 1/4 wave radiator plus 2 or 4 1/4 wave radials. >Buried radials do not have to be resonant, elevated radials >must be resonant. The ground effects will alter the resonance >of buried radials while radials in the air are a part of the >total antenna resonance. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |Security, like correctness, is| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |not an add-on feature. - Attr-| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |ibuted to Andrew Tanenbaum | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From ve3wdm at hotmail.com Thu Dec 29 17:02:51 2016 From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (VE3WDM) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 15:02:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Help with macro for spot funtion. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1483048971929-7625143.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks all very much for the help the issue has been solved. 73, VE3WDM Mike -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Help-with-macro-for-spot-funtion-tp7625114p7625143.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Dec 29 17:05:27 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:05:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> <3b8c42a3-6bff-4e8e-6b1f-d2081becf63a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Ground rods are pretty ineffective at RF, Dick although I'm not surprised your Inv-L works good. It all depends on the quality of the "earth" around your antenna. If yours is good, you're fortunate. Saltwater is great. Keep in mind that you're trying to provide a return for an electromagnetic field which is extended in space. The lower you can make the resistance of that return, the better. If your radial field is elevated off the ground, they need to be 1/4 wave [or so] long. One will make a big difference over none. Two in opposite directions will be better but not by as much. Additional ones will help but to a decreasing degree. If your radial field is on the ground or buried, length doesn't really matter, nor do they all have to be the same length, straight, or evenly spaced. All you're really doing with buried conductors is enhancing the conductivity of the "earth" return path over the space of the field. Fred K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County --Northern California Contest Club --CU in the Cal QSO Party --7-8 Oct 2017 On 12/29/2016 8:49 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > With reference to below, I have a question please. I put up a quarter > wave inverted-L for 160 meters. My only counterpoise is the ground rods > at the base of the tower. I wasn't expecting much, but it does so well > I'd like to add a decent counterpoise. > > If I bury a quarter wave wire, would it be best to put it under the > Ariel wire, or opposite from it? > Thanks in advance, > Dick, n0ce > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Dec 29 17:08:16 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:08:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11a638f7-ffe8-c346-5fb0-9ed9b75756fd@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,12/29/2016 1:53 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > If this is really what is going on, then a bit longer than 1/8 wave > should be about right for radials on/under the ground. I did an NEC study several years ago placing a half wave dipole at heights above ground from several feet down to an inch, and varied the length of the dipole so that it remained resonant at each height. From that I plotted VF. As close to the earth as I could model it, VF was about 0.7. At heights of 3 ft or more, VF on 160M was close to 1. N6LF published a detailed study of radial lengths and recommended an optimum length for elevated radials slightly less than a quarter wave. His basis was that making them slightly shorter caused current distribution between them to be more equal, which reduces ground losses. Rudy's website is a wealth of great info about radials. 73, Jim K9YC From w0eb at cox.net Thu Dec 29 17:17:39 2016 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 16:17:39 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've actually heard a K3 (not a K3S) with a very slight chirp when using an Ameritron AL-811 amp and even a little more chirp when using an Alpha (not sure the model) caused by RF feedback somewhere in the system. Before he got rid of his KPA500 this never happened. Funny, but he's only running around 500 watts out with the Ameritron. I suspect it is caused by an almost resonant piece of coax between the K3 and the amp as it only seems to happen on 40 meters. W0EB Sent from my iPad > On Dec 29, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Buck wrote: > > I thought chirp was a voltage issue. Any chance your power cable is inadequate, too long or the PowerPoles are not right? Check the voltage on the K3 display when you key down. > > Buck, k4ia > Honor Roll > 8BDXCC > >> On 12/29/2016 3:27 PM, Doug Smith wrote: >> I was in the CW SS in November using my then new K3S with an ACOM 1500. All of which was *great*. >> >> But, then, I received an Official Observer Advisory Notice that I was ?emitting a CW signal with a chirp?. The report detailed a QSO that is, indeed, in my SS log. I was running on 20 meters at the time. >> >> FYI, the ACOM is on it?s own 240 VAC circuit and the K3S is on it?s own 120 VAC circuit. The rest of the shack is on a separate 120 VAC circuit. >> >> Since receiving the report I?ve listened to my signal on two different receivers and I do not hear a chirp. Is there any possible way I could have somehow misadjusted the K3S during the contest that would result in a chirp? >> >> 73, >> Doug, W7KF >> http://www.w7kf.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to radiok4ia at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net From ron at cobi.biz Thu Dec 29 17:21:30 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:21:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201d26221$e7dba4e0$b792eea0$@biz> No. I, too, have gotten chirp reports on different rigs over the years and wrote it off to a mistake by the OO or just over-zealousness. I challenged one report and his response was "I was almost sure I could hear a slight chirp." I?m learning to ignore OO reports. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Smith Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 12:28 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? I was in the CW SS in November using my then new K3S with an ACOM 1500. All of which was *great*. But, then, I received an Official Observer Advisory Notice that I was ?emitting a CW signal with a chirp?. The report detailed a QSO that is, indeed, in my SS log. I was running on 20 meters at the time. FYI, the ACOM is on it?s own 240 VAC circuit and the K3S is on it?s own 120 VAC circuit. The rest of the shack is on a separate 120 VAC circuit. Since receiving the report I?ve listened to my signal on two different receivers and I do not hear a chirp. Is there any possible way I could have somehow misadjusted the K3S during the contest that would result in a chirp? 73, Doug, W7KF http://www.w7kf.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From cautery at montac.com Thu Dec 29 17:29:24 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 16:29:24 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: <001201d26221$e7dba4e0$b792eea0$@biz> References: <001201d26221$e7dba4e0$b792eea0$@biz> Message-ID: Why would not an OO try to notify the operator on the air.... especially if there is some need for verification. I would think that most operators would like to know and appreciate the help diagnosing any issues... Is there some rule in the OO program that requires it to be a sneak report? ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 12/29/2016 4:21 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > No. I, too, have gotten chirp reports on different rigs over the years and wrote it off to a mistake by the OO or just over-zealousness. I challenged one report and his response was "I was almost sure I could hear a slight chirp." > > I?m learning to ignore OO reports. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 29 17:30:24 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:30:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <224ee9e9-52c6-c7a3-7be4-04c02d1581e7@foothill.net> References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> <224ee9e9-52c6-c7a3-7be4-04c02d1581e7@foothill.net> Message-ID: <583fb91a-0eb3-bd2c-3f44-4694b87cd8db@embarqmail.com> Fred, You summed up antennas in general very well, and especially end fed dipoles. I would like to add a bit to your item 7 - dealing with the matching of a half wave end fed to a 50 ohm line - and the counterpoise wire. There are two common ways of matching to an end fed half wave. One is by using a tuned resonant circuit with a link (or tap) to the coax. In the case of a link, the short counterpoise needs to be connected to the 'bottom' end of the resonant circuit. If the link is isolated from the winding of the resonant circuit, the coax shield cannot provide that function, the counterpoise must be a separate wire. If the matching network is the commonly used 9:1 unun, then the bottom of the high impedance side is connected to the coax shield, and the coax shield can serve as the counterpoise wire. That is why one needs to use a short length of coax with those antennas and not connect directly to the rig. Most commercial end fed matching networks can use the coax shield and no counterpoise wire is necessary, but you must use a short length of coax. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/29/2016 4:49 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > 7. Feeding a half-wave at the end would seem to require that there be > "something" for the other side of the circuit so current can flow. > Practically, because the impedance is very high, the current is very low > and the "something" doesn't have to be very much. In fact, if the > primary of the matching transformer is fed with a couple feet of coax, > the shield will provide that "something." So will the wiring around you > [headphone cable, power cable, key cable], and you if you're holding > your radio. > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Dec 29 17:32:27 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 15:32:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> Message-ID: <45fef7d0-2ebc-bd1c-ab3c-93f54341d677@triconet.org> Except for what I'm about to say, what Jim says in his first sentence is true, which of course includes his post:-) The velocity of propagation in a wire, near to, on, or below the ground is different from the same wire in free space. How different? Most people don't know, don't care or couldn't determine it if they wanted to. But it has been shown that for these radials, especially when few in number, efficiency actually /improves /when their lengths are less than 1/4 lambda. See: "Experimental Determination of Ground System Performance for HF Verticals...", by Rudy Severns,* N6LF, QEX, Jan/Feb 2009 pp 48-52. * I can't recommend highly enough Rudy's work on vertical antennas. http://rudys.typepad.com/ He writes this stuff faster than I can read it. Wes N7WS On 12/29/2016 11:58 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > Nothing in this post is true. Optimum length for a counterpoise is a quarter > wave. Radials are a form of counterpoise, and their optimum length is also a > quarter wave. More radials reduce ground losses. Failing to provide an > adequate counterpoise will cause the antenna's return current to flow on your > coax, which makes the rig hot with RF. That's not much of a problem with 5W, > but it can be a very big deal with 100W or more. > > Of course, it does depend on what you mean by "much" and "minimal." Inadequate > counterpoise or radial systems can easily reduce you signal by 6 dB. That's an > S-unit, and it reduces your 5W signal to 1.25W. I wouldn't call that minimal > or "not much." > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Thu,12/29/2016 7:30 AM, Fred Moore wrote: >> With an end fed 1/4 wave you only need a counterpoise that is about .05 >> wave length. it can be the coax or another counterpoise. Although a >> counterpoise has some effect on radiation pattern of a quarter wave >> radiator, it is minimal. You won't see much improvement in performance >> by going above .05 wave length.. it's not worth the trouble to increase >> the counterpoise length.. From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Dec 29 17:42:09 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:42:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: References: <001201d26221$e7dba4e0$b792eea0$@biz> Message-ID: <6638F0F8-E89C-4E1C-8B84-CFC7EC830B43@wunderwood.org> Official Observers are observers, not police. The ARRL asks them to send out advisories to help operators be self-policing. They might transmit a polite reminder to ID on a repeater, but they really are not cops. We have had problems with unlicensed use of 2m by hang gliders on Mission Peak. They can be heard all over the south bay. The OO gets to make detailed notes and report to the FCC. They probably should not break into the (unlicensed) safety comms of the hang gliders to tell them to get off the air. "The OO performs his/her function by observing rather than transmitting. They keep watch for such things as frequency instability, harmonics, hum, key clicks, broad signals, distorted audio, over deviation, out-of-band operation and other potential problems. The OO completes his/her task once the notification card is sent.? http://www.arrl.org/official-observer-1 I could see a more active role for the OO. The FCC might encourage that with the cutbacks in the field offices. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 29, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > > Why would not an OO try to notify the operator on the air.... especially > if there is some need for verification. I would think that most > operators would like to know and appreciate the help diagnosing any > issues... > > Is there some rule in the OO program that requires it to be a sneak report? > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 12/29/2016 4:21 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> No. I, too, have gotten chirp reports on different rigs over the years and wrote it off to a mistake by the OO or just over-zealousness. I challenged one report and his response was "I was almost sure I could hear a slight chirp." >> >> I?m learning to ignore OO reports. >> >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From k9yeq at live.com Thu Dec 29 17:51:41 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 22:51:41 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies In-Reply-To: References: <195628.74032.qm@smtp210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <14A0881C-23B6-4456-9421-1FE6761AD384@gmail.com> <8E0B07CC-CE77-43E1-8D5E-7400CEF60ABE@wunderwood.org> <106012.89213.bm@smtp224.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001e01d26134$5c6f5700$154e0500$@biz> Message-ID: And you can add a slight twist to reduce wind whipping, etc. I don't like it, though. PITA for me. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Fjeld Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 10:07 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy loads for dummies FWIW, comments to consider about open wire feedline from my experience: Window line has shattered in the cold winter winds. Frost, snow, and ice easily accumulates. It catches the wind easily. On the plus side, window line conductors do not fold over on each other. Conductors stay evenly spaced. Ladder line does require measures to keep conductors from twisting and folding over on each other. As Ron mentions, tension is necessary. Ladder line has less problems in inclement weather. Ladder line is much better in the wind. I designed my loop and ladder line so that I can melt ice off it. That would be more difficult to do with window line. Dick, n0ce On 12/28/2016 12:01 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Wes makes an excellent point: "window" line and open wire line are not > the same. Both the resistive losses in the relatively tiny wires in > the window line and the webs of insulation impact its performance as > described in his paper. > > My open wire line is homebrew, using #10 or #12 copper wire spaced > with common "dog bone" insulators sold for end insulators. They hold > the wires about 3 inches apart. Typically, one spacer every 3 or 4 > feet is quite adequate to maintain the spacing with the lines under tension. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From k9yeq at live.com Thu Dec 29 17:54:24 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 22:54:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] loss through KXPA100 if running with PA Off on KX3 In-Reply-To: <11db166f-667a-15fa-45b0-9d5380eceae0@embarqmail.com> References: <002301d2618c$3e769440$bb63bcc0$@comcast.net> <11db166f-667a-15fa-45b0-9d5380eceae0@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I agree with Don. I use the KXPA100 with both the KX3 and KX2. Not a noticeable difference. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 11:36 PM To: Terry Brown ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss through KXPA100 if running with PA Off on KX3 Terry, There should be no loss when the KXPA100 is turned off. OK, maybe a wee bit, but certainly not significant. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/28/2016 11:30 PM, Terry Brown wrote: > I have the KX3 and KXPA100. If I turn off the PA from the menu on the > KX3, is there an significant power loss, say I am running at 15 watts, > going through the amp antenna connection instead of connecting the > antenna directly to the KX3? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Terry, N7TB > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > donwilh at embarqmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From k9yeq at live.com Thu Dec 29 18:02:21 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 23:02:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <24207785.5593.1483034946249@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <24207785.5593.1483034946249@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Mike, Over the years I have come to know Don as always succinct and to the point. AND, he does know his stuff nearly 100% or he will not comment. He will not waste his time responding to this accolade. We go back to the K2 field test and he was much a pleasure to work with then as now. Oh, I and I think his knowledge and writing skill has improved with age! 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Morrow Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 12:09 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna Don wrote: > A 1/2 wave radiator fed at the end theoretically does not need any > counterpoise, but in practice it does - but only needs to be about > 0.05 wavelength long. > > Refer to some antenna books (the ARRL has a good one) or the ARRL > Handbook for good information about basic antennas. The concise clarity of Don's input to this thread is refreshing. Such seem to occur rarely in ham discussions about antennas. With respect to classical end-fed half-wave antennas, I think of the end-fed Zepp[elin] and the common VHF J-poles. Mike / KK5F ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From rpfjeld at outlook.com Thu Dec 29 18:06:15 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 23:06:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: <81c79d1b-7fe5-815f-8039-c447643c60d3@Gmail.com> References: <81c79d1b-7fe5-815f-8039-c447643c60d3@Gmail.com> Message-ID: I once had a key that was prone to cause chirp. Dick, n0ce > On 12/29/2016 3:27 PM, Doug Smith wrote: >> I was in the CW SS in November using my then new K3S with an ACOM >> 1500. All of which was *great*. >> >> But, then, I received an Official Observer Advisory Notice that I was >> ?emitting a CW signal with a chirp?. The report detailed a QSO that >> is, indeed, in my SS log. I was running on 20 meters at the time. >> >> FYI, the ACOM is on it?s own 240 VAC circuit and the K3S is on it?s >> own 120 VAC circuit. The rest of the shack is on a separate 120 VAC >> circuit. >> >> Since receiving the report I?ve listened to my signal on two >> different receivers and I do not hear a chirp. Is there any possible >> way I could have somehow misadjusted the K3S during the contest that >> would result in a chirp? >> >> 73, >> Doug, W7KF >> http://www.w7kf.com >> From k9yeq at live.com Thu Dec 29 18:07:31 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 23:07:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> Message-ID: Having "only" 5 watts doesn't change the need for proper termination and antenna match. 5 Watts, or any wattage, for that matter can be a problem. 5 watts MAY make the problem less physically an problem. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 12:59 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna Nothing in this post is true. Optimum length for a counterpoise is a quarter wave. Radials are a form of counterpoise, and their optimum length is also a quarter wave. More radials reduce ground losses. Failing to provide an adequate counterpoise will cause the antenna's return current to flow on your coax, which makes the rig hot with RF. That's not much of a problem with 5W, but it can be a very big deal with 100W or more. Of course, it does depend on what you mean by "much" and "minimal." Inadequate counterpoise or radial systems can easily reduce you signal by 6 dB. That's an S-unit, and it reduces your 5W signal to 1.25W. I wouldn't call that minimal or "not much." 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,12/29/2016 7:30 AM, Fred Moore wrote: > With an end fed 1/4 wave you only need a counterpoise that is about > .05 wave length. it can be the coax or another counterpoise. > Although a counterpoise has some effect on radiation pattern of a quarter wave > radiator, it is minimal. You won't see much improvement in performance > by going above .05 wave length.. it's not worth the trouble to > increase the counterpoise length.. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Dec 29 18:16:22 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 14:16:22 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna Message-ID: <201612292319.uBTNJ6bt014849@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> I've stayed out of this discussion so far. I can comment on building a J-pole for 10m and 6m. I used a 24-foot tall 1-inch diameter aluminum mast held by a 8-foot section of Rohn-25G "planted" in the ground (no concrete). I used 1/4 wave stub space 2-inch running parallel to the mast from ground level on 10m. the bottom ends were strapped together and coax was run up about 6-inches above the ground end with center tied to stub and shield to mast. Good 50-ohm match over about 28.300-28.700 MHz and under 2:1 over a MHz bandwidth. I did not ground the J-pole other than that provided by the short tower. I added a 6m J-pole to the top section running a separate coax feed and it had little effect on tuning the 10m antenna. I tuned it for 52-MHz FM but found the only repeater was at marginal distance with no local activity so its not in current use (the 24-foot pole acts as end support for my 80/40m inverted-V with long nylon cord so the two antenna do not interact). I did make a coax coil RF choke at base of the antenna to inhibit common-mode radiation and coax was buried a couple inches deep for about 50-feet run to the house. I always intended to add buried radials but never got around to it. I had this up as a web-page until my site was hacked a few years ago and never restored it. I also have a very-short inverted-L on 600m: 43-foot by 122-foot which is currently down for repair. My radials were lain on ground and at 70-foot not anywhere near 1/4 wave (465-foot). Ground resistance is 20-ohms measured whereas radiation resistance is 0.83 ohm per EZNEC5. Obviously not efficient, but definitely QRP when running 100w (less than a watt radiated). Worms are cozy! SWR bandwidth is 5-KHz. Of course neither are QRP portable antennas. One could make the 10m version from ladder line plus 1/2 wave top wire either as a zepp or J-pole. I think the zepp configuration would be nice for quick portable use if you have two vertical supports (one could be an 8-foot aluminum pole with standoff rod for the 1/4 wave section). I might give that a look for use with my trailer in a campground while RVing. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Dec 29 18:33:45 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 15:33:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <11a638f7-ffe8-c346-5fb0-9ed9b75756fd@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <11a638f7-ffe8-c346-5fb0-9ed9b75756fd@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: This is quite likely overly pedantic, but ?velocity factor? is a characteristic of transmission lines. Interestingly, it is independent of frequency (up to the limit of the dielectric). It depends on the geometry of the line and the dielectric material. Antennas don?t have a velocity factor. The shortened elements are caused by capacitive loading against (RF) ground. There is a percentage of the free-space electrical length due to capacitive loading, but it is not a velocity factor. I don?t think this has a snappy shorthand other than ?electrical lengthening due to capacitive loading?. For example, dipoles with capacity caps on the ends, like the N6BT designs, don?t change the velocity of propagation along the elements. They use massive capacity loading on the ends (the high-voltage part of the dipole) to shorten the elements. http://www.force12inc.com/products/sigma-20-hd-20-meter-heavy-duty-vertical-dipole.html OK, overly pedantic mode off, plus I?ve nearly hit the limit of what I remember from my fields and waves class decades ago. I was pretty happy to get a B- in that class. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Dec 29, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Thu,12/29/2016 1:53 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >> If this is really what is going on, then a bit longer than 1/8 wave should be about right for radials on/under the ground. > > I did an NEC study several years ago placing a half wave dipole at heights above ground from several feet down to an inch, and varied the length of the dipole so that it remained resonant at each height. From that I plotted VF. As close to the earth as I could model it, VF was about 0.7. At heights of 3 ft or more, VF on 160M was close to 1. > > N6LF published a detailed study of radial lengths and recommended an optimum length for elevated radials slightly less than a quarter wave. His basis was that making them slightly shorter caused current distribution between them to be more equal, which reduces ground losses. Rudy's website is a wealth of great info about radials. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From ron at cobi.biz Thu Dec 29 18:34:11 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 15:34:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: References: <001201d26221$e7dba4e0$b792eea0$@biz> Message-ID: <001601d2622c$0f80d470$2e827d50$@biz> Long ago it was common to expect honest reports from any QSO. Perhaps too many Hams today, including OOs, are afraid of offending someone. I would recommend anyone check out any OO report to see if it was legit, but after my experience with the "chirp" report I'll be skeptical until I hear the issue for myself. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 2:29 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? Why would not an OO try to notify the operator on the air.... especially if there is some need for verification. I would think that most operators would like to know and appreciate the help diagnosing any issues... Is there some rule in the OO program that requires it to be a sneak report? ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 29 18:44:57 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 18:44:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: References: <11a638f7-ffe8-c346-5fb0-9ed9b75756fd@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <888b56e6-e2d3-5452-83aa-6bd9df16b658@embarqmail.com> Walt, I differ, antenna wires do have a velocity factor to consider. I built a 6 meter Moxon beam for my grandson out of insulated wire, and the resonant frequency was considerably low. Stripping the insulation from the wire brought its resonance point up to what was expected. The only reason was because the velocity factor for the insulated wire was less than that of non-insulated wire. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/29/2016 6:33 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > This is quite likely overly pedantic, but ?velocity factor? is a characteristic of transmission lines. Interestingly, it is independent of frequency (up to the limit of the dielectric). It depends on the geometry of the line and the dielectric material. > > Antennas don?t have a velocity factor. The shortened elements are caused by capacitive loading against (RF) ground. There is a percentage of the free-space electrical length due to capacitive loading, but it is not a velocity factor. I don?t think this has a snappy shorthand other than ?electrical lengthening due to capacitive loading?. > > For example, dipoles with capacity caps on the ends, like the N6BT designs, don?t change the velocity of propagation along the elements. They use massive capacity loading on the ends (the high-voltage part of the dipole) to shorten the elements. > > http://www.force12inc.com/products/sigma-20-hd-20-meter-heavy-duty-vertical-dipole.html > > OK, overly pedantic mode off, plus I?ve nearly hit the limit of what I remember from my fields and waves class decades ago. I was pretty happy to get a B- in that class. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > From k9ma at sdellington.us Thu Dec 29 18:45:05 2016 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:45:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: <001601d2622c$0f80d470$2e827d50$@biz> References: <001201d26221$e7dba4e0$b792eea0$@biz> <001601d2622c$0f80d470$2e827d50$@biz> Message-ID: The quality of OO's varies. I once got an OO report for out of band operation when I was on something like 14,000.4 with a well-calibrated K3. When I contacted the OO and asked how he measured the frequency, he said he just tuned his receiver to 13,999.9, and he could hear me. 73, Scott K9MA On 12/29/2016 17:34, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Long ago it was common to expect honest reports from any QSO. Perhaps too many Hams today, including OOs, are afraid of offending someone. > > I would recommend anyone check out any OO report to see if it was legit, but after my experience with the "chirp" report I'll be skeptical until I hear the issue for myself. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 2:29 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? > > Why would not an OO try to notify the operator on the air.... especially if there is some need for verification. I would think that most operators would like to know and appreciate the help diagnosing any issues... > > Is there some rule in the OO program that requires it to be a sneak report? > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 29 18:57:01 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 18:57:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Frostfest Message-ID: <9276f8b3-0ef3-5d61-0482-cc6fbd47b4a0@embarqmail.com> Greeting to Elecraft owners in the Richmond, VA area. Are there any volunteers that would be willing to assist me in manning the Elecraft booth at Frostfest this year. I normally drive to Frostfest on the morning of the hamfest, but coming from Wake Forest, NC I would not arrive until after the hamfest has opened. If there are volunteers who would be willing to initially set up the booth with table covers and banners, that would be helpful. I will be bringing my K3, P3, KX3, PX3 and KXPA100 for display. If there are any willing volunteers who could set up a full K-Line, that would be great. If you would respond direct to me at donwilh at embarqmail.com, that would be appreciated. I will coordinate with the folks at Elecraft for this hamfest. 73, Don W3FPR From fcady at montana.edu Thu Dec 29 18:57:42 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 23:57:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I recently received an OO report thanking me for patiently explaining the SS report format to a station so they would know how to make contacts. Cheers, Fred KE7X ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Doug Smith Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 1:27 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? I was in the CW SS in November using my then new K3S with an ACOM 1500. All of which was *great*. But, then, I received an Official Observer Advisory Notice that I was "emitting a CW signal with a chirp". The report detailed a QSO that is, indeed, in my SS log. I was running on 20 meters at the time. FYI, the ACOM is on it's own 240 VAC circuit and the K3S is on it's own 120 VAC circuit. The rest of the shack is on a separate 120 VAC circuit. Since receiving the report I've listened to my signal on two different receivers and I do not hear a chirp. Is there any possible way I could have somehow misadjusted the K3S during the contest that would result in a chirp? 73, Doug, W7KF http://www.w7kf.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Dec 29 18:57:38 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 18:57:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: References: <81c79d1b-7fe5-815f-8039-c447643c60d3@Gmail.com> Message-ID: How? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > > I once had a key that was prone to cause chirp. > > Dick, n0ce > > >>> On 12/29/2016 3:27 PM, Doug Smith wrote: >>> I was in the CW SS in November using my then new K3S with an ACOM >>> 1500. All of which was *great*. >>> >>> But, then, I received an Official Observer Advisory Notice that I was >>> ?emitting a CW signal with a chirp?. The report detailed a QSO that >>> is, indeed, in my SS log. I was running on 20 meters at the time. >>> >>> FYI, the ACOM is on it?s own 240 VAC circuit and the K3S is on it?s >>> own 120 VAC circuit. The rest of the shack is on a separate 120 VAC >>> circuit. >>> >>> Since receiving the report I?ve listened to my signal on two >>> different receivers and I do not hear a chirp. Is there any possible >>> way I could have somehow misadjusted the K3S during the contest that >>> would result in a chirp? >>> >>> 73, >>> Doug, W7KF >>> http://www.w7kf.com >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Dec 29 19:01:51 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:01:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: References: <11a638f7-ffe8-c346-5fb0-9ed9b75756fd@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <245dbf65-1825-9bcd-8be7-45f94774aa9b@triconet.org> Not so. On 12/29/2016 4:33 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > This is quite likely overly pedantic, but ?velocity factor? is a characteristic of transmission lines. Interestingly, it is independent of frequency (up to the limit of the dielectric). From w8ken at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 19:54:57 2016 From: w8ken at yahoo.com (Ken Kontor) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:54:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] XV-50 / XV-144 For Sale Message-ID: FOR SALE: ELECRAFT: XV-50 w/ XVOVN ..... $300 ELECRAFT: XV-144 w/ XVOVN ..... $400 Or $600 for the pair. Excellent condition, non-smoking environment. Reason for selling: Not required with my K3. Contact direct: w8ken at yahoo.com From f1gwr at free.fr Thu Dec 29 20:00:23 2016 From: f1gwr at free.fr (C G) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 02:00:23 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s missing right channel in "nor xxx" mode / digital level too low Message-ID: <0AC7BEF2-5806-4637-9BC4-5189888529F4@free.fr> My K3s/10 has no sub-receiver option. I use two speakers plugged in the rear jack that work perfectly. Firmware is up-to-date. Now two issues: In USB Audio (digital) or Line Out (analog), when setting the Config:Lin Out: - in "=phones" I receive (pseudo-) stereo in my computer, but - in "nor xxx" only the left channel remains. Is this on purpose or did I miss a setting somewhere ? I'd like to obtain pseudo-stereo AFX also in "nor xxx" mode (i.e. AF setting has no influence) Beside this, the digital level is too weak (-30 dB peak with AGC=on) in USB audio. Would it be possible to rise the output level to AES/EBU Broadcast Audio Standard, i.e. -18 or -20 dB (depending on countries), or even more, as dynamic is lower for speech and therefore headroom can be reduced without clipping consequences. That would mean additional A/D gain : +10 dB, + 12 dB, and maybe +24 or +30 dB boost for weak signals? 73, Christian F1GWR K3s 1087x From cautery at montac.com Thu Dec 29 20:27:58 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:27:58 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: <6638F0F8-E89C-4E1C-8B84-CFC7EC830B43@wunderwood.org> References: <001201d26221$e7dba4e0$b792eea0$@biz> <6638F0F8-E89C-4E1C-8B84-CFC7EC830B43@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: Thank you! ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 12/29/2016 4:42 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Official Observers are observers, not police. The ARRL asks them to send out advisories to help operators be self-policing. They might transmit a polite reminder to ID on a repeater, but they really are not cops. > > We have had problems with unlicensed use of 2m by hang gliders on Mission Peak. They can be heard all over the south bay. The OO gets to make detailed notes and report to the FCC. They probably should not break into the (unlicensed) safety comms of the hang gliders to tell them to get off the air. > > "The OO performs his/her function by observing rather than transmitting. They keep watch for such things as frequency instability, harmonics, hum, key clicks, broad signals, distorted audio, over deviation, out-of-band operation and other potential problems. The OO completes his/her task once the notification card is sent.? > > http://www.arrl.org/official-observer-1 > > I could see a more active role for the OO. The FCC might encourage that with the cutbacks in the field offices. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Thu Dec 29 21:07:08 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:07:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: References: <11a638f7-ffe8-c346-5fb0-9ed9b75756fd@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <55474cdc-2829-90c1-6b7f-c54f38d2c0da@cis-broadband.com> You aren't being overly pedantic ... you're simply being wrong. Velocity factor for electromagnetic emmissions is the ratio of any signal in any environment compared to its value in free space. The velocity factor of a signal in a transmission line is a function of geometry and surrounding materials, and the same is true of a signal in a single wire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_factor if you aren't convinced. Dave AB7E On 12/29/2016 4:33 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > This is quite likely overly pedantic, but ?velocity factor? is a characteristic of transmission lines. Interestingly, it is independent of frequency (up to the limit of the dielectric). It depends on the geometry of the line and the dielectric material. > > Antennas don?t have a velocity factor. The shortened elements are caused by capacitive loading against (RF) ground. There is a percentage of the free-space electrical length due to capacitive loading, but it is not a velocity factor. I don?t think this has a snappy shorthand other than ?electrical lengthening due to capacitive loading?. > > For example, dipoles with capacity caps on the ends, like the N6BT designs, don?t change the velocity of propagation along the elements. They use massive capacity loading on the ends (the high-voltage part of the dipole) to shorten the elements. > > http://www.force12inc.com/products/sigma-20-hd-20-meter-heavy-duty-vertical-dipole.html > > OK, overly pedantic mode off, plus I?ve nearly hit the limit of what I remember from my fields and waves class decades ago. I was pretty happy to get a B- in that class. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Dec 29, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >> On Thu,12/29/2016 1:53 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>> If this is really what is going on, then a bit longer than 1/8 wave should be about right for radials on/under the ground. >> I did an NEC study several years ago placing a half wave dipole at heights above ground from several feet down to an inch, and varied the length of the dipole so that it remained resonant at each height. From that I plotted VF. As close to the earth as I could model it, VF was about 0.7. At heights of 3 ft or more, VF on 160M was close to 1. >> >> N6LF published a detailed study of radial lengths and recommended an optimum length for elevated radials slightly less than a quarter wave. His basis was that making them slightly shorter caused current distribution between them to be more equal, which reduces ground losses. Rudy's website is a wealth of great info about radials. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com From va3mw at portcredit.net Thu Dec 29 21:07:29 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Mike va3mw) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 21:07:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: References: <001201d26221$e7dba4e0$b792eea0$@biz> <6638F0F8-E89C-4E1C-8B84-CFC7EC830B43@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <2ABEDB38-6310-4934-AA64-5589B3B17947@portcredit.net> In today's day, a recording should be mandatory. If they are going to be experts in their field, this should be a no-brainer to achieve. Other than that, it is hearsay. Mike va3mw > On Dec 29, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > > Thank you! > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > >> On 12/29/2016 4:42 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> Official Observers are observers, not police. The ARRL asks them to send out advisories to help operators be self-policing. They might transmit a polite reminder to ID on a repeater, but they really are not cops. >> >> We have had problems with unlicensed use of 2m by hang gliders on Mission Peak. They can be heard all over the south bay. The OO gets to make detailed notes and report to the FCC. They probably should not break into the (unlicensed) safety comms of the hang gliders to tell them to get off the air. >> >> "The OO performs his/her function by observing rather than transmitting. They keep watch for such things as frequency instability, harmonics, hum, key clicks, broad signals, distorted audio, over deviation, out-of-band operation and other potential problems. The OO completes his/her task once the notification card is sent.? >> >> http://www.arrl.org/official-observer-1 >> >> I could see a more active role for the OO. The FCC might encourage that with the cutbacks in the field offices. >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> Walter Underwood >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net From cautery at montac.com Thu Dec 29 22:22:28 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 21:22:28 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: <2ABEDB38-6310-4934-AA64-5589B3B17947@portcredit.net> References: <001201d26221$e7dba4e0$b792eea0$@biz> <6638F0F8-E89C-4E1C-8B84-CFC7EC830B43@wunderwood.org> <2ABEDB38-6310-4934-AA64-5589B3B17947@portcredit.net> Message-ID: I agree.... a recording supplied to the originating control operator. NOT necessarily as "evidence" of doing something wrong, but as a diagnostic tool to assist in correcting the issue... which for the majority of cases, I suspect is unintentional. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 12/29/2016 8:07 PM, Mike va3mw wrote: > In today's day, a recording should be mandatory. If they are going to be experts in their field, this should be a no-brainer to achieve. > > Other than that, it is hearsay. > > Mike va3mw From rpfjeld at outlook.com Thu Dec 29 22:40:19 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 03:40:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: References: <81c79d1b-7fe5-815f-8039-c447643c60d3@Gmail.com> Message-ID: If the key contacts did not make good contact, it caused a chirp. I would describe it as a 'dirty' sounding chirp, but it was a chirp. Other keys worked fine. Dick, n0ce On 12/29/2016 5:57 PM, Nr4c wrote: > How? > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Dec 29, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: >> >> I once had a key that was prone to cause chirp. >> >> Dick, n0ce >> >> >>>> On 12/29/2016 3:27 PM, Doug Smith wrote: >>>> I was in the CW SS in November using my then new K3S with an ACOM >>>> 1500. All of which was *great*. >>>> >>>> But, then, I received an Official Observer Advisory Notice that I was >>>> ?emitting a CW signal with a chirp?. The report detailed a QSO that >>>> is, indeed, in my SS log. I was running on 20 meters at the time. >>>> >>>> FYI, the ACOM is on it?s own 240 VAC circuit and the K3S is on it?s >>>> own 120 VAC circuit. The rest of the shack is on a separate 120 VAC >>>> circuit. >>>> >>>> Since receiving the report I?ve listened to my signal on two >>>> different receivers and I do not hear a chirp. Is there any possible >>>> way I could have somehow misadjusted the K3S during the contest that >>>> would result in a chirp? >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Doug, W7KF >>>> http://www.w7kf.com >>>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com -- From kennymac64 at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 22:50:17 2016 From: kennymac64 at gmail.com (ken mcmahon) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:50:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and Kenwood MC-50 Mic Message-ID: Hey everybody, I'd like to pair my K2 with an orphan MC-50 (his TS-820 daddy left home years ago). Any thoughts will be welcome. 73, Ken - WZ6P From k9ma at sdellington.us Thu Dec 29 23:17:06 2016 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 22:17:06 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: References: <81c79d1b-7fe5-815f-8039-c447643c60d3@Gmail.com> Message-ID: <2750a38a-edad-73a8-404d-7fb7255279c4@sdellington.us> On 12/29/2016 21:40, Richard Fjeld wrote: > If the key contacts did not make good contact, it caused a chirp. > I would describe it as a 'dirty' sounding chirp, but it was a chirp. > Other keys worked fine. > > Dick, n0ce Sounds like the old days of cathode keying! 73, Scott K9MA -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From w4rks73 at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 23:20:36 2016 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 22:20:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and Kenwood MC-50 Mic Message-ID: Ken, I made up a short (10 inch or so) mike cord with a 4 pin to match the MC-50 on one end and an 8 pin on the other. Works well. The MC-50 is set for low impedance (dynamic) and connects to the 8 pin front mic connector on the K3 (or others) Works well. Jim - W4RKS From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Dec 29 23:41:22 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 20:41:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: References: <7d46d4b4-d6b6-25a2-b54a-444ed1876cf0@fmeco.com> Message-ID: <1711c1e6-ccad-f351-800b-f3ac4c9938d2@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,12/29/2016 3:07 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > Having "only" 5 watts doesn't change the need for proper termination and > antenna match. By proper termination, I think you're thinking about SWR and a match to the transmitter. This thread is several days and 20+ posts old, but I think I remember that the intent of the original poster was for portable operation. But I could be wrong. :) There are two reasons for low SWR and "matching." One is to get the transmitter to provide power to the transmission line. If the mismatch is too high, the transmitter will "fold back" (reduce its drive to reduce its output power) to protect itself. Providing that match is the function of an "antenna tuner." The second reason is to reduce loss in the line due to a mismatch. The SWR in a transmission line is determined entirely by the match between the antenna and the line. It is NOTHING to do with the match between the transmitter and the line. In typical QRP portable setups, transmission lines are rarely long enough for loss to matter, so the match between the antenna and the line usually doesn't matter. And the antenna tuner takes care of match at the transmitter so that the output stage can supply its full power. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Dec 29 23:47:34 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 20:47:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: <2ABEDB38-6310-4934-AA64-5589B3B17947@portcredit.net> References: <001201d26221$e7dba4e0$b792eea0$@biz> <6638F0F8-E89C-4E1C-8B84-CFC7EC830B43@wunderwood.org> <2ABEDB38-6310-4934-AA64-5589B3B17947@portcredit.net> Message-ID: On Thu,12/29/2016 6:07 PM, Mike va3mw wrote: > In today's day, a recording should be mandatory. If they are going to be experts in their field, this should be a no-brainer to achieve. WHOA! An OO is a volunteer who monitors on the air and sends postcards (remember those?) to hams who he/she observes with some technical problem. He/she is doing a favor for the ham with a problem. An OO may or may not be an expert on anything! 73, Jim K9YC From n7xy at n7xy.net Fri Dec 30 02:39:33 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 23:39:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Mini Banana Plug Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <890ce252-a33c-0bc5-88f5-bcd053aa1d89@n7xy.net> I found a spec sheet for Pomona mini banana plugs and they are 3.05 mm (probably 3 mm compressed). Bob, N7XY On 12/29/16 12:38 PM, rwlade at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: > > Will a 2 mm mini banana plug work as a ground connection in my KX2? Of > not, what size should I be looking for? > > Bob W9UCR > From rpfjeld at outlook.com Fri Dec 30 02:44:44 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 07:44:44 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Chirp? In-Reply-To: <2750a38a-edad-73a8-404d-7fb7255279c4@sdellington.us> References: <81c79d1b-7fe5-815f-8039-c447643c60d3@Gmail.com> <2750a38a-edad-73a8-404d-7fb7255279c4@sdellington.us> Message-ID: I remember the rig as being solid state, but that was years ago, and I'm slipping. We will need another person's same experience to enlighten us. I mentioned it because it is easy to expect the worst, and overlook something simple. Dick, n0ce On 12/29/2016 10:17 PM, K9MA wrote: > On 12/29/2016 21:40, Richard Fjeld wrote: >> If the key contacts did not make good contact, it caused a chirp. >> I would describe it as a 'dirty' sounding chirp, but it was a chirp. >> Other keys worked fine. >> >> Dick, n0ce > > Sounds like the old days of cathode keying! > > 73, > > Scott K9MA > -- From n9vx.joe at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 04:26:54 2016 From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 04:26:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 For Sale Message-ID: For Sale Elecraft P3-F factory built panadapter in as new condition with optional P3SVGA adapter for computer monitor use. No scratches and has not been around tobacco smoke. Serial number 36xx. No longer have a K3, so selling the P3. Comes with original box, manual and cable set: RF cable, data cable and 2 power cables (from P3 or from power supply). $720 plus help on shipping, $12 is about half, shipped in CONUS. Payment by money order, Cashier's check or cash. I do not have a Papal account. Contact me at: n9vx.joe at gmail,com From n9vx.joe at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 04:30:29 2016 From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 04:30:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 For Sale Message-ID: Email corrected... For Sale Elecraft P3-F factory built panadapter in as new condition with optional P3SVGA adapter for computer monitor use. No scratches and has not been around tobacco smoke. Serial number 36xx. No longer have a K3, so selling the P3. Comes with original box, manual and cable set: RF cable, data cable and 2 power cables (from P3 or from power supply). $720 plus help on shipping, $12 is about half, shipped in CONUS. Payment by money order, Cashier's check or cash. I do not have a Papal account. Contact me: n9vx.joe at gmail.com From cotswoldgent at hotmail.co.uk Fri Dec 30 05:38:31 2016 From: cotswoldgent at hotmail.co.uk (Dickie M0AUW) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 03:38:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Q11 Blown Message-ID: <1483094311573-7625179.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Don et all, My own stupid fault, I was tuning up my other transceiver and forgot the K2 (fitted withK2/100) was still on and something went bang! On checking the K2 there was no transmit, receive was ok. I traced the fault back and found that *Q11 had blown*. I cannot visibly see any other fault but could you advise on other checks I may need to do or would this be the only likely fault from that sort of mistake. Do I replace Q13 as well as a precaution? Thanks in advance. Richard M0AUW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Q11-Blown-tp7625179.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From f1gwr at free.fr Fri Dec 30 05:57:49 2016 From: f1gwr at free.fr (C G) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:57:49 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s missing right channel in "nor xxx" mode / digital level too low - BUG? References: <274AACF9-4CD3-42DE-8722-4DA218B610FC@free.fr> Message-ID: Hi Al, Thanks for your answer. Can't explain the logic behind this behavior. Would it be a bug in firmware?... Maybe this could be on the wish list then. For both requests ("nor" stereo AFX *and* low digital level). Santa's gone, but who knows? Best 73, Christian F1GWR Le 30 d?c. 2016 ? 02:07, Al Lorona a ?crit : > Bon jour, Christian, > > Yes, your K3s is working correctly! On Line Out, only one channel. On Phones, both channels, including AFX. > > I have also wanted AFX in normal mode from Line Out, but it does not work that way. Too bad! > > Take care, > > Al W6LX > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: C G > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:00 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] K3s missing right channel in "nor xxx" mode / digital level too low > > My K3s/10 has no sub-receiver option. I use two speakers plugged in the rear jack that work perfectly. Firmware is up-to-date. > > Now two issues: > > In USB Audio (digital) or Line Out (analog), when setting the Config:Lin Out: > - in "=phones" I receive (pseudo-) stereo in my computer, but > - in "nor xxx" only the left channel remains. Is this on purpose or did I miss a setting somewhere ? > I'd like to obtain pseudo-stereo AFX also in "nor xxx" mode (i.e. AF setting has no influence) > > Beside this, the digital level is too weak (-30 dB peak with AGC=on) in USB audio. Would it be possible to rise the output level to AES/EBU Broadcast Audio Standard, i.e. -18 or -20 dB (depending on countries), or even more, as dynamic is lower for speech and therefore headroom can be reduced without clipping consequences. That would mean additional A/D gain : +10 dB, + 12 dB, and maybe +24 or +30 dB boost for weak signals? > > > 73, > Christian F1GWR > K3s 1087x > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alorona at sbcglobal.net From listmail at dl1ekc.de Fri Dec 30 08:18:42 2016 From: listmail at dl1ekc.de (Marcus Busch [DL1EKC]) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 14:18:42 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Help with defective KFL3A-400 needed Message-ID: <58665EB2.28958.11076B79@listmail.dl1ekc.de> Hello everybody, I have a friend's KFL3A-400 on my bench which shows a 20 dB passband attenuation with high ripple. The fault was originally detected by a 3 S units signal drop in the K3 compared to its other crystal filters. The filter was working perfectly until recently. I disassembled and measured all crystals and they seem to be OK, with the exception of crystal no. 6 showing a higher ESR. But is this an issue? The input and output transfomers seem to be OK as well, although checked only for DC conductance and isolation. All solder joints have been checked. These are my measurement results: passband: http://www.dl1ekc.de/LinkedContent/DL3QQ_KFL3A-400.png crystals: http://www.dl1ekc.de/LinkedContent/DL3QQ_KFL3A-400_Quarze.pdf Any filter expert around here who can point me into the right direction? Any help is greatly appreciated. VY 73 Marcus From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 30 08:28:05 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 08:28:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Q11 Blown In-Reply-To: <1483094311573-7625179.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1483094311573-7625179.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <217493bc-5b00-74fb-bb06-53c2112b42e1@embarqmail.com> Richard, Well, the loud pop was most likely one PA transistor exploding, so I expect you will have to replace Q7 and Q8 as well. If you remove the heatsink, you will likely see one of the PA transistors damaged. Yes, replace Q11 and Q13 together. Get the K2PAKIT from Elecraft - that kit has matched PA transistors plus replacements for Q11 and Q13. Just for good measure, order 2 1N5711 diodes - Elecraft p/n E560004. Procedure: Remove Q7 and Q8, Q11 and Q13. Install Q11 and Q13 first, then check the voltage at the base solder pads for Q7 and Q8. It must be zero during receive. Then do a TUNE and measure the PA transistor base solder pad voltage. If it is not in the range of 0.60 to 0.64 volts, investigate the resistors in the Q11/Q13 circuit. Only after those checks should you install Q7 and Q8. That should get the base K2 working. Now it is time to try the KPA100 on it. Get an external wattmeter and a dummy load for the test. You are checking to see if you have good power control in the K2. You can lay the KPA100 on its back on a box or book about half the height of the K2 for the test. Connect the external wattmeter and dummy load, set the power knob at 50 watts and do a TUNE. What is the actual power? If it is about 20 watts, all is fine, but if it is 100 watts or higher, you have a problem with the KPA100 wattmeter. The most likely wattmeter problem is that D16 and D17 are damaged. So what may have happened? The KPA100 wattmeter diodes can be damaged by static from the antenna feedline. When that happens, the K2 will still produce power, but the power output will be as much as the K2/100 can deliver, often 180 watts. If that situation goes unnoticed, the PA transistors in the base K2 are stressed and will eventually fail. If they fail with collector to base leakage, Q11 and Q13 will also be damaged. That is why I tell you to proceed in the steps I have outlined. 73, Don W3FPR 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2016 5:38 AM, Dickie M0AUW wrote: > Hi Don et all, > > My own stupid fault, I was tuning up my other transceiver and forgot the K2 > (fitted withK2/100) was still on and something went bang! On checking the K2 > there was no transmit, receive was ok. I traced the fault back and found > that *Q11 had blown*. > > I cannot visibly see any other fault but could you advise on other checks I > may need to do or would this be the only likely fault from that sort of > mistake. Do I replace Q13 as well as a precaution? > From cotswoldgent at hotmail.co.uk Fri Dec 30 08:49:26 2016 From: cotswoldgent at hotmail.co.uk (Dickie M0AUW) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 06:49:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Q11 Blown In-Reply-To: <217493bc-5b00-74fb-bb06-53c2112b42e1@embarqmail.com> References: <1483094311573-7625179.post@n2.nabble.com> <217493bc-5b00-74fb-bb06-53c2112b42e1@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1483105766100-7625183.post@n2.nabble.com> Excellent Don, Many thanks for your quick response, I'll start as soon as I can. Happy new year and 73s Richard M0AUW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Q11-Blown-tp7625179p7625183.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mbabineau at magma.ca Fri Dec 30 09:02:58 2016 From: mbabineau at magma.ca (Michael Babineau) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 09:02:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] EFHW (was Small QRP antenna) Message-ID: <6A5AA1F2-BDEF-4B76-B297-0D8A6AB76C69@magma.ca> Anyone interested in EFHW antennas should read Steve, AA5TB?s excellent website. http://www.aa5tb.com/efha.html Some of the currently available EFHW tuners (QRPGuys& QRPkits SOTA ) use the tapped inductor approach, but I much prefer Steve?s idea of using a transformer. The advantage is that it helps to isolates the feedline. I have found that this approach gives more predictable results when deploying the antenna in different situations and with different coax lengths as compared to the tapped inductor approach where the coax shield becomes the ?counterpoise?. I actually purchased a QRPkits SOTA Tuner kit, swapped out the toroid core for the one Steve recommends (T-50-2) and wound a transformer as Steve suggests in figure 12 and it works great with the suggested elevated 0.05 wavelength counterpoise. Cheers Michael VE3WMB From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 30 09:18:11 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 09:18:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Q11 Blown In-Reply-To: <1483105766100-7625183.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1483094311573-7625179.post@n2.nabble.com> <217493bc-5b00-74fb-bb06-53c2112b42e1@embarqmail.com> <1483105766100-7625183.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <76e375ca-8045-ffa2-139f-00e412529dc7@embarqmail.com> Richard, If you do not have good de-soldering tools, be careful when removing components. There is no sense in removing the component intact. The board is more valuable than any component. Cut off the leads close to the component body (or crush the component with pliers if necessary so you can remove the leads one at a time. Clean up the excess solder with solder wick and if solder still remains in the holes, heat the solder pad and push the solder out with a wooden toothpick. Happy New Year to everyone. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2016 8:49 AM, Dickie M0AUW wrote: > Excellent Don, > > Many thanks for your quick response, I'll start as soon as I can. > Happy new year and 73s > > Richard M0AUW > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Q11-Blown-tp7625179p7625183.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 30 09:21:22 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 09:21:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Help with defective KFL3A-400 needed In-Reply-To: <58665EB2.28958.11076B79@listmail.dl1ekc.de> References: <58665EB2.28958.11076B79@listmail.dl1ekc.de> Message-ID: <953d9635-1912-5312-5978-49cce4102c4c@embarqmail.com> Marcus, You might want to query the folks at Inrad - they build the 8 pole filters. You would need to replace all the crystals with a matched set, so it may be better to buy a new filter. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2016 8:18 AM, Marcus Busch [DL1EKC] wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I have a friend's KFL3A-400 on my bench which shows a 20 dB passband attenuation with > high ripple. The fault was originally detected by a 3 S units signal drop in the K3 > compared to its other crystal filters. The filter was working perfectly until > recently. > > I disassembled and measured all crystals and they seem to be OK, with the exception > of crystal no. 6 showing a higher ESR. But is this an issue? > > The input and output transfomers seem to be OK as well, although checked only for DC > conductance and isolation. All solder joints have been checked. > From rsoifer1 at aol.com Fri Dec 30 09:37:49 2016 From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (rsoifer1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 09:37:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 Message-ID: <159502a57c3-6626-29c78@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> I've been using the PX3 with my KX3 for a year now, with no problems. I've now added a KXPA100, and find that either I can have full functionality of the amplifier, or of the panadaptor, but not both at the same time. I've set up the system for full functionality of the PX3 and "Basic" operation of the KXPA100, using the ACC2 port on the KX3. That works OK, but I'd like to have full use of the KXPA100's interaction with the KX3, without losing full use of the PX3. The issue seems to be that they cannot share use of ACC1. Anybody have a solution? 73 Ray W2RS From dick at elecraft.com Fri Dec 30 10:02:12 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 07:02:12 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 In-Reply-To: <159502a57c3-6626-29c78@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> References: <159502a57c3-6626-29c78@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <00c101d262ad$b4262a30$1c727e90$@elecraft.com> Ray: Hope this helps: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3_installation_FAQ_v-0-8.pdf see Figure 3. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ray W2RS via Elecraft Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 06:38 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 I've been using the PX3 with my KX3 for a year now, with no problems. I've now added a KXPA100, and find that either I can have full functionality of the amplifier, or of the panadaptor, but not both at the same time. I've set up the system for full functionality of the PX3 and "Basic" operation of the KXPA100, using the ACC2 port on the KX3. That works OK, but I'd like to have full use of the KXPA100's interaction with the KX3, without losing full use of the PX3. The issue seems to be that they cannot share use of ACC1. Anybody have a solution? 73 Ray W2RS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From rsoifer1 at aol.com Fri Dec 30 10:15:22 2016 From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (rsoifer1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 10:15:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 In-Reply-To: <00c101d262ad$b4262a30$1c727e90$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <159504cb6cb-6626-29d8c@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> Hi Dick, When I tried that, I got no output from the KXPA100 with the KX3 PA MODE set to ON. If I set that to OFF, I get full output but then not full interaction with the KX3. What am I doing wrong? 73 Ray W2RS -----Original Message----- From: Dick Dievendorff To: rsoifer1 Cc: elecraft Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2016 8:02 am Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 Ray: Hope this helps: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3_installation_FAQ_v-0-8.pdf see Figure 3. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ray W2RS via Elecraft Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 06:38 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 I've been using the PX3 with my KX3 for a year now, with no problems. I've now added a KXPA100, and find that either I can have full functionality of the amplifier, or of the panadaptor, but not both at the same time. I've set up the system for full functionality of the PX3 and "Basic" operation of the KXPA100, using the ACC2 port on the KX3. That works OK, but I'd like to have full use of the KXPA100's interaction with the KX3, without losing full use of the PX3. The issue seems to be that they cannot share use of ACC1. Anybody have a solution? 73 Ray W2RS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Dec 30 10:17:12 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 15:17:12 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Velocity factor Message-ID: <111536F5-898C-4038-8010-1D9615B82A64@law.du.edu> I wonder if the difference in opinions has to do not with right or wrong as a matter of physics but rather with the customary use of terminology. As I have understood it, the phrase ?velocity factor? is ordinarily used in connection with transmission lines; AND it is the case that the velocity of a wave in any medium other than free space can differ ? that is to say, it?s slower. Whether the technical term ?velocity factor? covers it all I can?t say. Maybe in ordinary usage the generic term is ?velocity of propagation? which in wires can vary from 0.7 to 0.99 C Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 18:44:57 -0500 From: Don Wilhelm To: Walter Underwood , Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna Message-ID: <888b56e6-e2d3-5452-83aa-6bd9df16b658 at embarqmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Walt, I differ, antenna wires do have a velocity factor to consider. I built a 6 meter Moxon beam for my grandson out of insulated wire, and the resonant frequency was considerably low. Stripping the insulation from the wire brought its resonance point up to what was expected. The only reason was because the velocity factor for the insulated wire was less than that of non-insulated wire. 73, Don W3FPR From k9yeq at live.com Fri Dec 30 10:37:10 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 15:37:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Mini Banana Plug Question In-Reply-To: <890ce252-a33c-0bc5-88f5-bcd053aa1d89@n7xy.net> References: <890ce252-a33c-0bc5-88f5-bcd053aa1d89@n7xy.net> Message-ID: The mini plug by my measurement is 2.4 mm at the shaft not slotted and ~ 2.5 mm near the tip, the slotted section at its widest. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Nielsen Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 1:40 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Mini Banana Plug Question I found a spec sheet for Pomona mini banana plugs and they are 3.05 mm (probably 3 mm compressed). Bob, N7XY On 12/29/16 12:38 PM, rwlade at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: > > Will a 2 mm mini banana plug work as a ground connection in my KX2? Of > not, what size should I be looking for? > > Bob W9UCR > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From ai6do at yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 10:38:59 2016 From: ai6do at yahoo.com (Ryan Noguchi) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 15:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 In-Reply-To: <159504cb6cb-6626-29d8c@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> References: <00c101d262ad$b4262a30$1c727e90$@elecraft.com> <159504cb6cb-6626-29d8c@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <420467831.4164042.1483112339179@mail.yahoo.com> >>http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3_installation_FAQ_v-0-8.pdf??see Figure 3. >When I tried that, I got no output from the KXPA100 with the KX3 PA MODE set to ON.? If I set that to OFF, I get full output but then not full interaction with the KX3.? What am I doing wrong? So are you saying that you have the KX3, PX3, and KXPA100 all connected in the exact manner depicted in Figure 3 (which also appears in the PX3 manual) and you're still experiencing this problem? Maybe I'm mistaken, but it sounds like you aren't using the KX3-KXPA100 adapter cable. You can't just connect the KXPA100 RS232 port directly to the KX3 ACC1 port. 73, Ryan AI6DO From rsoifer1 at aol.com Fri Dec 30 10:53:54 2016 From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (rsoifer1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 10:53:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 In-Reply-To: <420467831.4164042.1483112339179@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <159506ffdb8-6626-29f3f@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> Hi Ryan, Yes, I am using the control cable. 73 Ray -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Noguchi To: rsoifer1 ; elecraft Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2016 8:43 am Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 >>http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3_installation_FAQ_v-0-8.pdf see Figure 3. >When I tried that, I got no output from the KXPA100 with the KX3 PA MODE set to ON. If I set that to OFF, I get full output but then not full interaction with the KX3. What am I doing wrong? So are you saying that you have the KX3, PX3, and KXPA100 all connected in the exact manner depicted in Figure 3 (which also appears in the PX3 manual) and you're still experiencing this problem? Maybe I'm mistaken, but it sounds like you aren't using the KX3-KXPA100 adapter cable. You can't just connect the KXPA100 RS232 port directly to the KX3 ACC1 port. 73, Ryan AI6DO From fcady at montana.edu Fri Dec 30 11:24:44 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 16:24:44 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 In-Reply-To: <420467831.4164042.1483112339179@mail.yahoo.com> References: <00c101d262ad$b4262a30$1c727e90$@elecraft.com> <159504cb6cb-6626-29d8c@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com>, <420467831.4164042.1483112339179@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Make sure all of the plugs are fully seated in their sockets. 73, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 8:38 AM To: rsoifer1 at aol.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 >>http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3_installation_FAQ_v-0-8.pdf see Figure 3. >When I tried that, I got no output from the KXPA100 with the KX3 PA MODE set to ON. If I set that to OFF, I get full output but then not full interaction with the KX3. What am I doing wrong? So are you saying that you have the KX3, PX3, and KXPA100 all connected in the exact manner depicted in Figure 3 (which also appears in the PX3 manual) and you're still experiencing this problem? Maybe I'm mistaken, but it sounds like you aren't using the KX3-KXPA100 adapter cable. You can't just connect the KXPA100 RS232 port directly to the KX3 ACC1 port. 73, Ryan AI6DO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From rsoifer1 at aol.com Fri Dec 30 11:50:53 2016 From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (rsoifer1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:50:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <15950a42d1f-6626-2a1ee@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> The KX3 says it has the KXPA100 behind it, but I still get no output. When I turn PA MODE to OFF, and turn the amp ON using the front panel switch, I get full output but in Basic mode. 73 Ray W2RS -----Original Message----- From: Cady, Fred To: rsoifer1 ; Ryan Noguchi Cc: Elecraft list Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2016 9:24 am Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 Make sure all of the plugs are fully seated in their sockets. 73, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com From: Elecraft on behalf of Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 8:38 AM To: rsoifer1 at aol.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 >>http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3_installation_FAQ_v-0-8.pdf see Figure 3. >When I tried that, I got no output from the KXPA100 with the KX3 PA MODE set to ON. If I set that to OFF, I get full output but then not full interaction with the KX3. What am I doing wrong? So are you saying that you have the KX3, PX3, and KXPA100 all connected in the exact manner depicted in Figure 3 (which also appears in the PX3 manual) and you're still experiencing this problem? Maybe I'm mistaken, but it sounds like you aren't using the KX3-KXPA100 adapter cable. You can't just connect the KXPA100 RS232 port directly to the KX3 ACC1 port. 73, Ryan AI6DO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From n9vx.joe at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 11:52:13 2016 From: n9vx.joe at gmail.com (Joe Word) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:52:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 For Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The P3 is sold> Joe N9VX On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 4:30 AM, Joe Word wrote: > Email corrected... > For Sale Elecraft P3-F factory built panadapter in as new condition with > optional P3SVGA adapter for computer monitor use. No scratches and has not > been around tobacco smoke. Serial number 36xx. No longer have a K3, so > selling the P3. Comes with original box, manual and cable set: RF cable, > data cable and 2 power cables (from P3 or from power supply). $720 plus > help on shipping, $12 is about half, shipped in CONUS. Payment by money > order, Cashier's check or cash. I do not have a Papal account. Contact me: > n9vx.joe at gmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 30 12:22:50 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 12:22:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 In-Reply-To: <15950a42d1f-6626-2a1ee@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> References: <15950a42d1f-6626-2a1ee@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Ray, Check to be certain the RJ-45 connectors are fully plugged in. Some of them are difficult to seat if you hold onto the cover boot. Pull the boot back and push the plug itself in until it clicks. Make sure the other plugs are fully seated - give them an extra push into their jacks. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2016 11:50 AM, Ray W2RS via Elecraft wrote: > The KX3 says it has the KXPA100 behind it, but I still get no output. When I turn PA MODE to OFF, and turn the amp ON using the front panel switch, I get full output but in Basic mode. > From fserota at msn.com Fri Dec 30 12:35:13 2016 From: fserota at msn.com (Fredric Serota) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 17:35:13 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 Message-ID: Now more than ever there is a need for a 1500 watt amplifier of the quality and function of the KPA500. PLEASE, Elecraft, reconsider your decision to produce a KPA 1500. You could use the front end of the KPA500 as a controller? Fred Serota, K3BHX From dave at ad6a.com Fri Dec 30 12:39:20 2016 From: dave at ad6a.com (Dave AD6A) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 09:39:20 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 In-Reply-To: References: <15950a42d1f-6626-2a1ee@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <70846E06-7080-4C2C-A045-E464D10F78A4@ad6a.com> You may simply have the power set too low (below 11W) for the KXPA100 to turn on. 73 Dave AD6A Sent from my ? iPhone 5s > On Dec 30, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Ray, > > Check to be certain the RJ-45 connectors are fully plugged in. Some of them are difficult to seat if you hold onto the cover boot. Pull the boot back and push the plug itself in until it clicks. > > Make sure the other plugs are fully seated - give them an extra push into their jacks. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 12/30/2016 11:50 AM, Ray W2RS via Elecraft wrote: >> The KX3 says it has the KXPA100 behind it, but I still get no output. When I turn PA MODE to OFF, and turn the amp ON using the front panel switch, I get full output but in Basic mode. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at ad6a.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Dec 30 13:06:23 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 10:06:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] EFHW (was Small QRP antenna) In-Reply-To: <6A5AA1F2-BDEF-4B76-B297-0D8A6AB76C69@magma.ca> References: <6A5AA1F2-BDEF-4B76-B297-0D8A6AB76C69@magma.ca> Message-ID: <5c4f840a-919d-e4e4-c7eb-25e777fec418@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,12/30/2016 6:02 AM, Michael Babineau wrote: > Anyone interested in EFHW antennas should read Steve, AA5TB?s excellent website Here's another great way to end feed a half wave that Steve didn't think of. It originated with an idea that N6LF published. http://k9yc.com/VerticalDipole.pdf Using a connector and barrel for the center was W6GJB's idea. For backpacking, a BNC to female Pomona adapter (Pomona is the official name for double banana jacks and plugs) could be used instead. To make this a multiband antenna, simply use a shorter or longer piece of wire for the top end and move the choke to a matching position along the coax. 73, Jim K9YC From w2id at comcast.net Fri Dec 30 13:13:20 2016 From: w2id at comcast.net (John W2ID) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 13:13:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] Want to add SVGA and P3TXMON to your P3? Message-ID: <541315135.34448.1483121601044@connect.xfinity.com> I have a P3SVGA with P3TXMON and DCHF-2000 (160m - 6m 2000 KW Directional Coupler). The P3 is S/N 37xx and everything works perfectly, and is in as-new condition with no scratches/dents etc., and lives in a non-smoking home. I don't use the SVGA option or the directional coupler, so I would like to trade my unit for your perfectly working P3 plus some cash. Your P3 must be in similar condition, working perfectly, and never exposed to cigarette smoke. The new price for the SVGA option is $289.95 and the TXMON is $199.95, for a total of $489.90. Here's a nice easy way to save some money and add these options without any tools needed. Not sure exactly how to price this, so I will sell to the highest offer received by 2359z January 8, 2017. You pay to ship yours, and I'll pay to ship mine. 73 and Happy New Year, John W2ID From dean.k2ww at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 13:27:39 2016 From: dean.k2ww at gmail.com (Dean L) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 13:27:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fred 500w ?1500 w -----It's less than an S-unit increase in signal and makes your power meter spin fast. Just putting it into perspective ...I'm sure you already knew this. Happy New Year/73 Dean K2WW On Dec 30, 2016 12:36 PM, "Fredric Serota" wrote: > Now more than ever there is a need for a 1500 watt amplifier of the > quality and function of the KPA500. PLEASE, Elecraft, reconsider your > decision to produce a KPA 1500. You could use the front end of the KPA500 > as a controller? > > Fred Serota, K3BHX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dean.k2ww at gmail.com > From kennymac64 at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 13:30:35 2016 From: kennymac64 at gmail.com (ken mcmahon) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 10:30:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and Kenwood SP-50 Mic Message-ID: Thanks Jim, I should have mentioned; I already have the 8 pin DIN connector at the rig end of the mic cable. However, I don't know what the pin-outs are. I've Googled it to no avail... Page 18 of the KSB2 manual shows info for the MC-60 and I don't want to assume it matches the MC-50. Thanks, Ken - WZ6P From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Dec 30 13:41:18 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 10:41:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91cfb92d-9933-242d-620f-da673a20b10c@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,12/30/2016 10:27 AM, Dean L wrote: > 500w ?1500 w -----It's less than an S-unit increase in signal Anyone who has tried to work a station who doesn't hear well because of a high noise level, or with a poor signal path, knows that even 1 or 2 dB can be the difference between making a QSO or not. I have experienced this MANY times. On 160M, the band is often full from 1,800 to above 1,900 kHz during contests, and most amps need to be re-tuned to get full output when moving from one end to the other. If I got lazy and failed to do that, my 1.5 kW amp might be down to 1 kW or so, That's less than 2dB, but there have been times when re-tuning would get the other station to hear me when he hadn't responded to multiple calls. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Dec 30 13:44:33 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 10:44:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and Kenwood SP-50 Mic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri,12/30/2016 10:30 AM, ken mcmahon wrote: > Page 18 of the KSB2 manual shows info for the MC-60 and I don't want to > assume it matches the MC-50. Ken, Connector pin-outs tend to be consistent within a brand of radio. Kenwood, Icom, and Yaesu each have their own way of doing it, and they are all different from each other. 73, Jim K9YC From bob at hogbytes.com Fri Dec 30 14:01:58 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 12:01:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 In-Reply-To: <70846E06-7080-4C2C-A045-E464D10F78A4@ad6a.com> References: <159502a57c3-6626-29c78@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> <00c101d262ad$b4262a30$1c727e90$@elecraft.com> <159504cb6cb-6626-29d8c@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> <420467831.4164042.1483112339179@mail.yahoo.com> <15950a42d1f-6626-2a1ee@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> <70846E06-7080-4C2C-A045-E464D10F78A4@ad6a.com> Message-ID: <1483124518659-7625206.post@n2.nabble.com> How are you turning the KX3 and KXPA100 on and off. If you shut down the power supply with the KX3 powered on, it will default to PA off and power our <10 watts and stay that way until you manually go back and turn PA on and change power level on KX3 to require the amp to be on. You should control the KX3 and KXPA100 power via the power on /off sequence on the KX3. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KXPA100-with-PX3-tp7625187p7625206.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jalleninvest at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 14:12:33 2016 From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 13:12:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna Message-ID: <1956A541-E48E-4B51-95E1-BD46EB2E7CA4@gmail.com> My experience matches this precisely. ~35 years ago, I built the huge quad described in "Evolution of a Quad Array" from an article in QST, May 1978, IIRC. It was done with help from experienced antenna builders, measured very meticulously. When we finally got it up on the tower, it was awful, weird SWRs, no F/B, nothing seemed right. I checked all the feedlines and connectors. Nothing amiss. I had found a roll of No. 12 insulated wire at a surplus place and used that for all the elements. In discussions with the owner of the quad in the article and the designer, we concluded the problem was the insulation, as the design used enameled No. 12, different velocity factor. I spent the next ~2 weeks of evenings, until 10-11 at night, with a pocket knife on my roof scraping insulation from ~1200' of wire in situ. Not only was it no fun, the neighbors never looked at me the same again. Once that was done, the antenna performed wonderfully, as expected. 73 Jim Allen W6OGC > Walt, I differ, antenna wires do have a velocity factor to consider. I built a 6 meter Moxon beam for my grandson out of insulated wire, and the resonant frequency was considerably low. Stripping the insulation from the wire brought its resonance point up to what was expected. The only reason was because the velocity factor for the insulated wire was less than that of non-insulated wire. 73, Don W3FPR > On 12/29/2016 6:33 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > This is quite likely overly pedantic, but ?velocity factor? is a characteristic of transmission lines. Interestingly, it is independent of frequency (up to the limit of the dielectric). It depends on the geometry of the line and the dielectric material. > > Antennas don?t have a velocity factor. The shortened elements are caused by capacitive loading against (RF) ground. There is a percentage of the free-space electrical length due to capacitive loading, but it is not a velocity factor. I don?t think this has a snappy shorthand other than ?electrical lengthening due to capacitive loading?. > > For example, dipoles with capacity caps on the ends, like the N6BT designs, don?t change the velocity of propagation along the elements. They use massive capacity loading on the ends (the high-voltage part of the dipole) to shorten the elements. > > http://www.force12inc.com/products/sigma-20-hd-20-meter-heavy-duty-vertical-dipole.html > > OK, overly pedantic mode off, plus I?ve nearly hit the limit of what I remember from my fields and waves class decades ago. I was pretty happy to get a B- in that class. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > Sent from my iPad From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 30 14:19:38 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 14:19:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and Kenwood SP-50 Mic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70efb1d5-fbf5-27df-8b1e-bbf77d4a17f5@embarqmail.com> A multitude of microphone information can be found at http://www.qsl.net/g4wpw/date.html. Thank QSL.net for preserving this website information, G4WPW is now SK. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2016 1:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Fri,12/30/2016 10:30 AM, ken mcmahon wrote: >> Page 18 of the KSB2 manual shows info for the MC-60 and I don't want to >> assume it matches the MC-50. > > Ken, > > Connector pin-outs tend to be consistent within a brand of radio. > Kenwood, Icom, and Yaesu each have their own way of doing it, and they > are all different from each other. From rsoifer1 at aol.com Fri Dec 30 14:29:08 2016 From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (rsoifer1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 14:29:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 In-Reply-To: <420467831.4164042.1483112339179@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15951350e77-6626-2a9c9@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> Ryan, Yes, I am using the correct adapter cable. 73 Ray W2RS -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Noguchi To: rsoifer1 ; elecraft Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2016 8:43 am Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 >>http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3_installation_FAQ_v-0-8.pdf see Figure 3. >When I tried that, I got no output from the KXPA100 with the KX3 PA MODE set to ON. If I set that to OFF, I get full output but then not full interaction with the KX3. What am I doing wrong? So are you saying that you have the KX3, PX3, and KXPA100 all connected in the exact manner depicted in Figure 3 (which also appears in the PX3 manual) and you're still experiencing this problem? Maybe I'm mistaken, but it sounds like you aren't using the KX3-KXPA100 adapter cable. You can't just connect the KXPA100 RS232 port directly to the KX3 ACC1 port. 73, Ryan AI6DO From pincon at erols.com Fri Dec 30 14:49:38 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 14:49:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007101d262d5$de14d8f0$9a3e8ad0$@erols.com> If you're being heard at 20 dB over S9 when running one kilowatt, you'll still be S5 at 100 milliwatts! That said, if you're gonna run an amp, why not go for max legal? 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dean L Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 1:28 PM To: Elecraft Mail List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 Fred 500w ?1500 w -----It's less than an S-unit increase in signal and makes your power meter spin fast. Just putting it into perspective ...I'm sure you already knew this. Happy New Year/73 Dean K2WW From rsoifer1 at aol.com Fri Dec 30 15:16:23 2016 From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (rsoifer1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 15:16:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 In-Reply-To: <70846E06-7080-4C2C-A045-E464D10F78A4@ad6a.com> Message-ID: <15951605041-6626-2ab7a@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> Further to my last email, when I am in Basic mode, with PA MODE set to OFF and the KXPA100 on/off switch set to ON, I get full power out and no dissipation. When PA MODE is ON and the on/off switch set to OFF, the KX3 acts like the KXPA100 is connected to it but there is no power output from the KXPA100 but all the power it produces is being dissipated. Some setting is probably wrong, but I can't figure out which one. Any ideas? 73 Ray W2RS -----Original Message----- From: Dave AD6A with To: donwilh Cc: rsoifer1 ; fcady ; ai6do ; elecraft Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2016 10:39 am Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 You may simply have the power set too low (below 11W) for the KXPA100 to turn on. 73 Dave AD6A Sent from my ? iPhone 5s > On Dec 30, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Ray, > > Check to be certain the RJ-45 connectors are fully plugged in. Some of them are difficult to seat if you hold onto the cover boot. Pull the boot back and push the plug itself in until it clicks. > > Make sure the other plugs are fully seated - give them an extra push into their jacks. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 12/30/2016 11:50 AM, Ray W2RS via Elecraft wrote: >> The KX3 says it has the KXPA100 behind it, but I still get no output. When I turn PA MODE to OFF, and turn the amp ON using the front panel switch, I get full output but in Basic mode. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at ad6a.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 15:16:25 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 15:16:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: <91cfb92d-9933-242d-620f-da673a20b10c@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <91cfb92d-9933-242d-620f-da673a20b10c@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: On Dec 30, 2016 12:36 PM, "Fredric Serota" wrote: > Now more than ever there is a need for a 1500 watt amplifier of the > quality and function of the KPA500. PLEASE, Elecraft, reconsider your > decision to produce a KPA 1500. Without debating how much use is had from a 5 dB increase in signal strength (a lot), the real reason Elecraft did not do a 1500 watt amp is all business and marketing. Elecraft is a small business and as such does not have the financial "mass" to absorb jabs in the bank balance from the marketplace that do not doubly pay for the research and development. There is a breaking point for ham-priced transistor amp equipment somewhere beyond 500 watts and before 1500 that has to do with reliability of components at those stress levels, and the cost of components and circuits to control the amp's response to the unbelievably bad treatment afforded amps by some purchasers. If this were not true, you would have seen dozens of 2K transistor equivalents to the likes of the Alpha 9500 and 8410, with which you can actually put a brick on the key and let it run at 1500 watts out indefinitely or until you lose your nerve. I'm sure the military has stuff, but then the military has specs and bidding, and they are willing to pay what it REALLY costs for that layer of reliability. Hams are unwilling to pay mil-spec prices, and Big E. knows it. They also know that a major failure of an expensively developed product with a lot of warranty returns can put a small business into chapter 11. Wayne & Co have put out a lot of leading edge products, kept their business rolling through the Great Recession, and embarassed the fool out of Yakencom for the better part of a decade, kicking the ham equipment industry into a new level of performance where they really didn't want to go. When Wayne *doesn't* do something that gets repeated requests, there is a reason. I trust his judgement, because he has earned that. I particularly do not want them to go out of business and find myself stuck with Yakencom again. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. 73, Guy K2AV From hlyingst at yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 15:23:42 2016 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 20:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1219133824.3925938.1483129422587@mail.yahoo.com> I kinda like the remote amp thought; My wife loves the heat and I like it cool. I could put the amp in her craft room and let her enjoy the extra heat while my shack stays cooler. From: Fredric Serota To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 12:35 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 Now more than ever there is a need for a 1500 watt amplifier of the quality and function of the KPA500. PLEASE, Elecraft, reconsider your decision to produce a KPA 1500. You could use the front end of the KPA500 as a controller? Fred Serota, K3BHX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From ai6do at yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 15:32:32 2016 From: ai6do at yahoo.com (Ryan Noguchi) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 20:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 In-Reply-To: <15951605041-6626-2ab7a@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> References: <70846E06-7080-4C2C-A045-E464D10F78A4@ad6a.com> <15951605041-6626-2ab7a@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <525808106.4336359.1483129952642@mail.yahoo.com> >Further to my last email, when I am in Basic mode, with PA MODE set to OFF and the KXPA100 on/off switch set to ON, I get full power out and no dissipation. ?When PA MODE is ON and the on/off switch set to OFF, the KX3 acts like the KXPA100 is connected to it but there is no power output from the KXPA100 but all the power it produces is being dissipated. ?Some setting is probably wrong, but I can't figure out which one. I'd suggest checking the ACC2 IO setting in the KX3 to make sure Tx keying isn't being inhibited. It's also possible that the interface cable is faulty.? There's also the usual advice to make sure the firmware is current. My club's KX3 and KXPA100 were very unreliable until I updated their 2-3 year old firmware. Mostly intermittent problems with the ATU and even recognizing they're connected, but all that went away with fresh firmware.? 73, Ryan AI6DO From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 30 15:49:46 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 15:49:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 In-Reply-To: <15951605041-6626-2ab7a@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> References: <15951605041-6626-2ab7a@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <4644a026-ebe5-1452-0351-36faf80efd74@embarqmail.com> Ray, Does the power light on the KXPA100 turn on when you power on the KX3? I am not sure about your statements about "all the power it produces is being dissipated" Dissipated where? Into power output or into heat? Does the heatsink heat up? Similarly, your statement about "no power dissipated" when in basic mode. Can you connect an external wattmeter and a dummy load, put the KXAT100 into bypass and see what the KXPA100 is really producing. That more detailed information will aid in answering your question. If you can measure the current draw and voltage during keydown that would help even more. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2016 3:16 PM, rsoifer1 at aol.com wrote: > Further to my last email, when I am in Basic mode, with PA MODE set to > OFF and the KXPA100 on/off switch set to ON, I get full power out and > no dissipation. When PA MODE is ON and the on/off switch set to OFF, > the KX3 acts like the KXPA100 is connected to it but there is no power > output from the KXPA100 but all the power it produces is being > dissipated. Some setting is probably wrong, but I can't figure out > which one. > > From hk3j.dx at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 15:54:14 2016 From: hk3j.dx at gmail.com (German Duran) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 20:54:14 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: References: <91cfb92d-9933-242d-620f-da673a20b10c@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I agree. German HK3J El vie., 30 dic. 2016 3:18 p. m., Guy Olinger K2AV escribi?: > On Dec 30, 2016 12:36 PM, "Fredric Serota" wrote: > > Now more than ever there is a need for a 1500 watt amplifier of the > > quality and function of the KPA500. PLEASE, Elecraft, reconsider your > > decision to produce a KPA 1500. > > Without debating how much use is had from a 5 dB increase in signal > strength (a lot), the real reason Elecraft did not do a 1500 watt amp > is all business and marketing. Elecraft is a small business and as > such does not have the financial "mass" to absorb jabs in the bank > balance from the marketplace that do not doubly pay for the research > and development. > > There is a breaking point for ham-priced transistor amp equipment > somewhere beyond 500 watts and before 1500 that has to do with > reliability of components at those stress levels, and the cost of > components and circuits to control the amp's response to the > unbelievably bad treatment afforded amps by some purchasers. > > If this were not true, you would have seen dozens of 2K transistor > equivalents to the likes of the Alpha 9500 and 8410, with which you > can actually put a brick on the key and let it run at 1500 watts out > indefinitely or until you lose your nerve. > > I'm sure the military has stuff, but then the military has specs and > bidding, and they are willing to pay what it REALLY costs for that > layer of reliability. > > Hams are unwilling to pay mil-spec prices, and Big E. knows it. They > also know that a major failure of an expensively developed product > with a lot of warranty returns can put a small business into chapter > 11. > > Wayne & Co have put out a lot of leading edge products, kept their > business rolling through the Great Recession, and embarassed the fool > out of Yakencom for the better part of a decade, kicking the ham > equipment industry into a new level of performance where they really > didn't want to go. > > When Wayne *doesn't* do something that gets repeated requests, there > is a reason. I trust his judgement, because he has earned that. > > I particularly do not want them to go out of business and find myself > stuck with Yakencom again. > > If it ain't broke, don't fix it. > > 73, Guy K2AV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hk3j.dx at gmail.com > From hartzell at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 15:54:12 2016 From: hartzell at gmail.com (Dave Hartzell) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 13:54:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] USB sound card functionality in the future? Message-ID: I'm not sure what the upgrade and refresh cycle is for the KX3, but I'm wondering if there will ever be KIO3-like capability added to the KX3 (or KX2). Mainly so the radio shows up as a sound card over the USB... Dave ad0qe From kengkopp at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 15:57:49 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 13:57:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: References: <91cfb92d-9933-242d-620f-da673a20b10c@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I have no interest in a 1 or 1.5 KW Amp. Guy (K2AV) sums it up nicely. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP On Dec 30, 2016 1:18 PM, "Guy Olinger K2AV" wrote: > On Dec 30, 2016 12:36 PM, "Fredric Serota" wrote: > > Now more than ever there is a need for a 1500 watt amplifier of the > > quality and function of the KPA500. PLEASE, Elecraft, reconsider your > > decision to produce a KPA 1500. > > Without debating how much use is had from a 5 dB increase in signal > strength (a lot), the real reason Elecraft did not do a 1500 watt amp > is all business and marketing. Elecraft is a small business and as > such does not have the financial "mass" to absorb jabs in the bank > balance from the marketplace that do not doubly pay for the research > and development. > > There is a breaking point for ham-priced transistor amp equipment > somewhere beyond 500 watts and before 1500 that has to do with > reliability of components at those stress levels, and the cost of > components and circuits to control the amp's response to the > unbelievably bad treatment afforded amps by some purchasers. > > If this were not true, you would have seen dozens of 2K transistor > equivalents to the likes of the Alpha 9500 and 8410, with which you > can actually put a brick on the key and let it run at 1500 watts out > indefinitely or until you lose your nerve. > > I'm sure the military has stuff, but then the military has specs and > bidding, and they are willing to pay what it REALLY costs for that > layer of reliability. > > Hams are unwilling to pay mil-spec prices, and Big E. knows it. They > also know that a major failure of an expensively developed product > with a lot of warranty returns can put a small business into chapter > 11. > > Wayne & Co have put out a lot of leading edge products, kept their > business rolling through the Great Recession, and embarassed the fool > out of Yakencom for the better part of a decade, kicking the ham > equipment industry into a new level of performance where they really > didn't want to go. > > When Wayne *doesn't* do something that gets repeated requests, there > is a reason. I trust his judgement, because he has earned that. > > I particularly do not want them to go out of business and find myself > stuck with Yakencom again. > > If it ain't broke, don't fix it. > > 73, Guy K2AV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 30 16:15:19 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 16:15:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] USB sound card functionality in the future? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5aca332c-2ee8-a2b9-d393-f59d9a0d0b67@embarqmail.com> Dave, I seriously doubt it. If you look inside the KX3 or the KX2, there is not much space. Secondly, the way the KX3, PX3 and KXPA100 'string together" for the RS-232 (ACC1) connections, both the PX3 and KXPA100 would have to change to support USB and audio. So I don't think that is going to happen. Elecraft does not have a schedule of "upgrades and refresh" for any of their products. That only happens on an as needed basis, or as engineering resources for that kind of effort become available. Don't forget that the KIO3B addition for the K3 was possible only as a 'sideline' during the development of the K3S. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2016 3:54 PM, Dave Hartzell wrote: > I'm not sure what the upgrade and refresh cycle is for the KX3, but I'm > wondering if there will ever be KIO3-like capability added to the KX3 (or > KX2). > > Mainly so the radio shows up as a sound card over the USB... > > Dave > ad0qe > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Dec 30 16:25:28 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 13:25:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: <1956A541-E48E-4B51-95E1-BD46EB2E7CA4@gmail.com> References: <1956A541-E48E-4B51-95E1-BD46EB2E7CA4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry Jim, you're mistaken on many counts. An antenna does not have VF, but the wire we use for it does. VF of an infinitely thin bare wire in free space is 1. Surrounding it with a dielectric (insulation) makes it longer electrically, usually by a few percent. So does making the wire fatter. These differences are usually described using VF. Placing a conductor close to earth (within a few inches) causes it to couple to the earth, which also makes it electrically longer. We could also describe this using VF. VF is NOT constant with frequency, whether in a transmission line or in wire. VF of all transmission lines starts out quite small at audio frequencies, rises quickly through the audio spectrum, eventually reaching a near constant value at mid-VHF. It is this near-constant value that is computed by the simple equation that doesn't include frequency. For most lines, VF has reached about 98% of its final value at 2 MHz. Likewise, Zo is not constant with frequency, nor is it a pure resistance. It starts out quite high at low audio frequencies and is dominated by capacitance. Zo falls rapidly in the audio spectrum, and is quite close to its final value at 2 MHz, but is still capacitive, typically 1-2 ohms. This can be clearly seen in N6BV's TLW software that comes on the CD with the ARRL Antenna Book. Choose your favorite coax, set the frequency to 2 MHz, make the line 300-400 ft long, and terminate it in a pure resistance. TLW will tell you Zo. Now select Volt/Current next to the Graph button (lower right corner) and you'll see that there are standing waves on the line (the graphs are not a straight line). Now set the Load to the R and X values for Zo and hit Graph again. Now the V and I lines are nearly straight, indicating quite low SWR. They would lay exactly on top of each other, but the R and X values for Zo are rounded off. The fact that Zo, VF, and attenuation vary with frequency is clearly predicted by the full transmission line equations. There's a brief discussion of this in http://k9yc.com/Coax-Stubs.pdf which also shows how VF and attenuation can be computed and plotted vs frequency by making two measurements of a sample with a vector analyzer like the AIM, SARK, and VNWA analyzers. The two measurements are then exported to AC6LA's excellent freeware Excel spreadsheet called ZPlots. There's a longer discussion of this, specifically written for audio people, but obviously important for radio, in http://k9yc.com/TransLines-LowFreq.pdf 73, Jim K9YC On Fri,12/30/2016 11:12 AM, Jim Allen wrote: > but ?velocity factor? is a characteristic of transmission lines. Interestingly, it is independent of frequency (up to the limit of the dielectric). It depends on the geometry of the line and the dielectric material. > > Antennas don?t have a velocity factor. The shortened elements are caused by capacitive loading against (RF) ground. There is a percentage of the free-space electrical length due to capacitive loading, but it is not a velocity factor. From ron at cobi.biz Fri Dec 30 16:48:15 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 13:48:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901d262e6$6d5b5d30$48121790$@biz> The same argument goes for any 3:1 power ratio, but Ham radio is about having fun and if someone has more fun with QRO within legal limits, why not? In the 1960's I added a new final to a homebrew CW rig and went from 100 mW out to a full 1 Watt as soon as a suitable transistor became affordable. By comparison that was real QRO! Years later I happily upgraded my K2 from a 10 watt rig to a 100 watt rig when the KPA100 became available. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dean L Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 10:28 AM To: Elecraft Mail List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 Fred 500w ?1500 w -----It's less than an S-unit increase in signal and makes your power meter spin fast. Just putting it into perspective ...I'm sure you already knew this. Happy New Year/73 Dean K2WW On Dec 30, 2016 12:36 PM, "Fredric Serota" wrote: > Now more than ever there is a need for a 1500 watt amplifier of the > quality and function of the KPA500. PLEASE, Elecraft, reconsider your > decision to produce a KPA 1500. You could use the front end of the > KPA500 as a controller? > > Fred Serota, K3BHX > ______________________________________________________________ From hartzell at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 17:03:18 2016 From: hartzell at gmail.com (Dave Hartzell) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 15:03:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] USB sound card functionality in the future? In-Reply-To: <5aca332c-2ee8-a2b9-d393-f59d9a0d0b67@embarqmail.com> References: <5aca332c-2ee8-a2b9-d393-f59d9a0d0b67@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Interesting... Not knowing much about the architecture, isn't most of the hardware already on board to send samples out the USB? Looking at the KX3 block diagram [1], I'm curious why you couldn't move digital I/Q samples from the DSP to the PIC, then in/out to the USB port. While I'm sure the existing I/Q port would work for me, its always nice to be lazy and use one cable. :) 1. http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX3%20Manual%20Block%20Diagram.pdf On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Dave, > > I seriously doubt it. If you look inside the KX3 or the KX2, there is not > much space. > Secondly, the way the KX3, PX3 and KXPA100 'string together" for the > RS-232 (ACC1) connections, both the PX3 and KXPA100 would have to change to > support USB and audio. So I don't think that is going to happen. > > Elecraft does not have a schedule of "upgrades and refresh" for any of > their products. That only happens on an as needed basis, or as engineering > resources for that kind of effort become available. > > Don't forget that the KIO3B addition for the K3 was possible only as a > 'sideline' during the development of the K3S. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 12/30/2016 3:54 PM, Dave Hartzell wrote: > >> I'm not sure what the upgrade and refresh cycle is for the KX3, but I'm >> wondering if there will ever be KIO3-like capability added to the KX3 (or >> KX2). >> >> Mainly so the radio shows up as a sound card over the USB... >> >> Dave >> ad0qe >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >> >> From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 30 17:21:43 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 17:21:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] USB sound card functionality in the future? In-Reply-To: References: <5aca332c-2ee8-a2b9-d393-f59d9a0d0b67@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <0b4214ff-e25c-e1db-4ce8-275fac29ee70@embarqmail.com> Dave, First of all, the audio for digital operations needs to come from the phones and mic lines. The RX I/Q is taken off before any DSP Processing so the bandwidth is not restricted by the filtering done in the KX3. In other words, the RX I/Q is not simply audio - it may be at baseband, but it is not the audio output of the KX3 - the post filtering audio and the pre-filtering baseband signals come from two different points in the receive chain and would have to be switched depending on whether you wanted a panadapter application or a digital mode application. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2016 5:03 PM, Dave Hartzell wrote: > Interesting... Not knowing much about the architecture, isn't most of the > hardware already on board to send samples out the USB? > > Looking at the KX3 block diagram [1], I'm curious why you couldn't move > digital I/Q samples from the DSP to the PIC, then in/out to the USB port. > > While I'm sure the existing I/Q port would work for me, its always nice to > be lazy and use one cable. :) > From hartzell at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 17:25:14 2016 From: hartzell at gmail.com (Dave Hartzell) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 15:25:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] USB sound card functionality in the future? In-Reply-To: <0b4214ff-e25c-e1db-4ce8-275fac29ee70@embarqmail.com> References: <5aca332c-2ee8-a2b9-d393-f59d9a0d0b67@embarqmail.com> <0b4214ff-e25c-e1db-4ce8-275fac29ee70@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Don. Maybe someday it will be supported on the KX3-S (or whatever the follow-on will be called). On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Dave, > > First of all, the audio for digital operations needs to come from the > phones and mic lines. The RX I/Q is taken off before any DSP Processing so > the bandwidth is not restricted by the filtering done in the KX3. In other > words, the RX I/Q is not simply audio - it may be at baseband, but it is > not the audio output of the KX3 - the post filtering audio and the > pre-filtering baseband signals come from two different points in the > receive chain and would have to be switched depending on whether you wanted > a panadapter application or a digital mode application. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > > > On 12/30/2016 5:03 PM, Dave Hartzell wrote: > >> Interesting... Not knowing much about the architecture, isn't most of the >> hardware already on board to send samples out the USB? >> >> Looking at the KX3 block diagram [1], I'm curious why you couldn't move >> digital I/Q samples from the DSP to the PIC, then in/out to the USB port. >> >> While I'm sure the existing I/Q port would work for me, its always nice to >> be lazy and use one cable. :) >> >> From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 30 17:47:14 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 17:47:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] USB sound card functionality in the future? In-Reply-To: References: <5aca332c-2ee8-a2b9-d393-f59d9a0d0b67@embarqmail.com> <0b4214ff-e25c-e1db-4ce8-275fac29ee70@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <4fcedf5a-b7d0-d7f5-efdd-e0dc7bb6aec5@embarqmail.com> Dave, Whatever it is, there will be no hyphens in the designation. Elecraft does not use hyphens in its product names (other than the N-Gen and 2T-Gen mini-modules). 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2016 5:25 PM, Dave Hartzell wrote: > Thanks Don. Maybe someday it will be supported on the KX3-S (or > whatever the follow-on will be called). > > > From sjl219 at optonline.net Fri Dec 30 17:49:21 2016 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 17:49:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch Message-ID: <1d09982f.1e408.15951ec5b8d.Webtop.41@optonline.net> I would like to use a coaxial switch for an unintended use and I'm not sure if it's a good idea in terms of RF isolation and potential equipment damage. I'm no expert in this area but I know this list is a wealth of expert opinion, so here's my question: I want to buy a two position coaxial switch. ?I want to connect ONE antenna to it and switch this antenna between a KX2/KXPA100 (100 watts) and a KX1 (about 3 watts). ?The coax cable coming from this switch to the KX2 is a short piece of RG8X and the coax cable going from this switch to the KX1 is 25' of RG-174 (yes, I already computed the dB loss and I can live with).? Am I likely to cause any damage to to either piece of equipment? Thanks, Stan WB2LQF From eric at elecraft.com Fri Dec 30 17:54:33 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 14:54:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: References: <91cfb92d-9933-242d-620f-da673a20b10c@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <0364bda7-e019-222a-18b7-eaabb27a53d3@elecraft.com> Folks, we have not ever formally said we would never do a 1500W amp. We have said at times in the past that we were not doing one at that time, but we never rule anything out. We're always looking for good suggestions and marketing input on what we should do in the future. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 12/30/2016 12:16 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > On Dec 30, 2016 12:36 PM, "Fredric Serota" wrote: >> Now more than ever there is a need for a 1500 watt amplifier of the >> quality and function of the KPA500. PLEASE, Elecraft, reconsider your >> decision to produce a KPA 1500. > Without debating how much use is had from a 5 dB increase in signal > strength (a lot), the real reason Elecraft did not do a 1500 watt amp > is all business and marketing. Elecraft is a small business and as > such does not have the financial "mass" to absorb jabs in the bank > balance from the marketplace that do not doubly pay for the research > and development. > > There is a breaking point for ham-priced transistor amp equipment > somewhere beyond 500 watts and before 1500 that has to do with > reliability of components at those stress levels, and the cost of > components and circuits to control the amp's response to the > unbelievably bad treatment afforded amps by some purchasers. > > If this were not true, you would have seen dozens of 2K transistor > equivalents to the likes of the Alpha 9500 and 8410, with which you > can actually put a brick on the key and let it run at 1500 watts out > indefinitely or until you lose your nerve. > > I'm sure the military has stuff, but then the military has specs and > bidding, and they are willing to pay what it REALLY costs for that > layer of reliability. > > Hams are unwilling to pay mil-spec prices, and Big E. knows it. They > also know that a major failure of an expensively developed product > with a lot of warranty returns can put a small business into chapter > 11. > > Wayne & Co have put out a lot of leading edge products, kept their > business rolling through the Great Recession, and embarassed the fool > out of Yakencom for the better part of a decade, kicking the ham > equipment industry into a new level of performance where they really > didn't want to go. > > When Wayne *doesn't* do something that gets repeated requests, there > is a reason. I trust his judgement, because he has earned that. > > I particularly do not want them to go out of business and find myself > stuck with Yakencom again. > > If it ain't broke, don't fix it. > > 73, Guy K2AV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From jalleninvest at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 18:06:27 2016 From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 17:06:27 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01234561-E577-414B-9EA7-9D4133D7CA1B@gmail.com> Sorry, Jim, you are misquoting the wrong guy. Tweren't me, McGee. 73 Jim Allen W6OGC > Message: 24 > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 13:25:28 -0800 > From: Jim Brown > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Small QRP antenna > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Sorry Jim, you're mistaken on many counts. > > An antenna does not have VF, but the wire we use for it does. VF of an > infinitely thin bare wire in free space is 1. Surrounding it with a > dielectric (insulation) makes it longer electrically, usually by a few > percent. So does making the wire fatter. These differences are usually > described using VF. > > Placing a conductor close to earth (within a few inches) causes it to > couple to the earth, which also makes it electrically longer. We could > also describe this using VF. > > VF is NOT constant with frequency, whether in a transmission line or in > wire. VF of all transmission lines starts out quite small at audio > frequencies, rises quickly through the audio spectrum, eventually > reaching a near constant value at mid-VHF. It is this near-constant > value that is computed by the simple equation that doesn't include > frequency. For most lines, VF has reached about 98% of its final value > at 2 MHz. > > Likewise, Zo is not constant with frequency, nor is it a pure > resistance. It starts out quite high at low audio frequencies and is > dominated by capacitance. Zo falls rapidly in the audio spectrum, and is > quite close to its final value at 2 MHz, but is still capacitive, > typically 1-2 ohms. > > This can be clearly seen in N6BV's TLW software that comes on the CD > with the ARRL Antenna Book. Choose your favorite coax, set the frequency > to 2 MHz, make the line 300-400 ft long, and terminate it in a pure > resistance. TLW will tell you Zo. Now select Volt/Current next to the > Graph button (lower right corner) and you'll see that there are > standing waves on the line (the graphs are not a straight line). Now set > the Load to the R and X values for Zo and hit Graph again. Now the V and > I lines are nearly straight, indicating quite low SWR. They would lay > exactly on top of each other, but the R and X values for Zo are rounded > off. > > The fact that Zo, VF, and attenuation vary with frequency is clearly > predicted by the full transmission line equations. There's a brief > discussion of this in > http://k9yc.com/Coax-Stubs.pdf > which also shows how VF and attenuation can be computed and plotted vs > frequency by making two measurements of a sample with a vector analyzer > like the AIM, SARK, and VNWA analyzers. The two measurements are then > exported to AC6LA's excellent freeware Excel spreadsheet called ZPlots. > > There's a longer discussion of this, specifically written for audio > people, but obviously important for radio, in > http://k9yc.com/TransLines-LowFreq.pdf > > 73, Jim K9YC > >> On Fri,12/30/2016 11:12 AM, Jim Allen wrote: >> but ?velocity factor? is a characteristic of transmission lines. Interestingly, it is independent of frequency (up to the limit of the dielectric). It depends on the geometry of the line and the dielectric material. > > Antennas don?t have a velocity factor. The shortened elements are caused by capacitive loading against (RF) ground. There is a percentage of the free-space electrical length due to capacitive loading, but it is not a velocity factor. > > ***************************************** From va3mw at portcredit.net Fri Dec 30 18:08:59 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Mike va3mw) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 18:08:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That will be a lot of money for only an extra S unit (barely). Just over a 4db gain off the top of my head. It is the first 500 W that count. Mike va3mw > On Dec 30, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Dean L wrote: > > Fred > 500w ?1500 w -----It's less than an S-unit increase in signal and makes > your power meter spin fast. > Just putting it into perspective ...I'm sure you already knew this. > Happy New Year/73 > Dean K2WW > >> On Dec 30, 2016 12:36 PM, "Fredric Serota" wrote: >> >> Now more than ever there is a need for a 1500 watt amplifier of the >> quality and function of the KPA500. PLEASE, Elecraft, reconsider your >> decision to produce a KPA 1500. You could use the front end of the KPA500 >> as a controller? >> >> Fred Serota, K3BHX >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dean.k2ww at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net From eric at elecraft.com Fri Dec 30 18:35:50 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 15:35:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Bundle Offer ends on December 31. (end of day) Message-ID: <6918788c-1926-2fa9-fa6b-89ba7c7430ed@elecraft.com> Countdown to 2017! Don't miss out on the K3S Bundle Offer - It ends on December 31. (end of day) For details, see: http://www.elecraft.com/K3sBundleSale.htm and also the K3S section of our order form. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ From tony.kaz at verizon.net Fri Dec 30 18:38:45 2016 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 18:38:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003101d262f5$dd347d80$979d7880$@verizon.net> During mediocre conditions there has been more than once on 80 and 160M the DX could not quite get my call correct with the KPA500. Once the Acom 2000A timed out they had no trouble copying my call. Most of the time I operate the K3 barefoot. When I need more oomph I turn on the KPA500. If conditions are not good I turn on the Acom. There are times the difference between 600W and 1500W can make the difference between a QSO and no QSO. It would be nice to have a 1500W S-S amp in the basement alongside the KPA500. Any amp I would buy needs to be able to be controlled remotely like the KPA500 and the Acom. The only real advantage to me switching from a tube to a solid-state amp would be the timeout thing. During a contest and when a DXpedition is going, then I just leave the Acom on. No big thing letting it sit there idling. 73 and HNY N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike va3mw Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 6:09 PM To: Dean L Cc: Elecraft Mail List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 That will be a lot of money for only an extra S unit (barely). Just over a 4db gain off the top of my head. It is the first 500 W that count. Mike va3mw > On Dec 30, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Dean L wrote: > > Fred > 500w ?1500 w -----It's less than an S-unit increase in signal and > makes your power meter spin fast. > Just putting it into perspective ...I'm sure you already knew this. > Happy New Year/73 > Dean K2WW > >> On Dec 30, 2016 12:36 PM, "Fredric Serota" wrote: >> >> Now more than ever there is a need for a 1500 watt amplifier of the >> quality and function of the KPA500. PLEASE, Elecraft, reconsider your >> decision to produce a KPA 1500. You could use the front end of the >> KPA500 as a controller? >> >> Fred Serota, K3BHX >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> dean.k2ww at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > va3mw at portcredit.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From cautery at montac.com Fri Dec 30 18:42:15 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 17:42:15 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Bundle Offer ends on December 31. (end of day) In-Reply-To: <6918788c-1926-2fa9-fa6b-89ba7c7430ed@elecraft.com> References: <6918788c-1926-2fa9-fa6b-89ba7c7430ed@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <3909c369-9cee-1aa0-32e9-3e0ef277d731@montac.com> Nice! Perhaps y'all will consider working up a promo for a KPA500/KAT500 combo in the future.... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 12/30/2016 5:35 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > Countdown to 2017! Don't miss out on the K3S Bundle Offer - It ends on > December 31. (end of day) > > For details, see: http://www.elecraft.com/K3sBundleSale.htm and also > the K3S section of our order form. > > 73, > Eric > /elecraft.com/ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 30 18:44:58 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 18:44:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch In-Reply-To: <1d09982f.1e408.15951ec5b8d.Webtop.41@optonline.net> References: <1d09982f.1e408.15951ec5b8d.Webtop.41@optonline.net> Message-ID: <805217a9-a8a2-7b82-ff34-db2765bea584@embarqmail.com> Stan, If your maximum power is 100 watts and the isolation of the switch is 40dB or more then I don't think you have any problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2016 5:49 PM, stan levandowski wrote: > I would like to use a coaxial switch for an unintended use and I'm not > sure if it's a good idea in terms of RF isolation and potential > equipment damage. > > I'm no expert in this area but I know this list is a wealth of expert > opinion, so here's my question: > > > I want to buy a two position coaxial switch. I want to connect ONE > antenna to it and switch this antenna between a KX2/KXPA100 (100 watts) > and a KX1 (about 3 watts). The coax cable coming from this switch to > the KX2 is a short piece of RG8X and the coax cable going from this > switch to the KX1 is 25' of RG-174 (yes, I already computed the dB loss > and I can live with). > > > Am I likely to cause any damage to to either piece of equipment? > > > Thanks, > Stan WB2LQF > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com From n7xy at n7xy.net Fri Dec 30 18:47:34 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 15:47:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch In-Reply-To: <1d09982f.1e408.15951ec5b8d.Webtop.41@optonline.net> References: <1d09982f.1e408.15951ec5b8d.Webtop.41@optonline.net> Message-ID: As long as there is sufficient isolation in the switch there should be no problem. I have done exactly as you describe with my KX2 and IC-7100 using a MFJ-1702C switch, which is rated for better than 60 dB of isolation to 300 MHz. Bob, N7XY On 12/30/16 2:49 PM, stan levandowski wrote: > I would like to use a coaxial switch for an unintended use and I'm not > sure if it's a good idea in terms of RF isolation and potential > equipment damage. > > I'm no expert in this area but I know this list is a wealth of expert > opinion, so here's my question: > > > I want to buy a two position coaxial switch. I want to connect ONE > antenna to it and switch this antenna between a KX2/KXPA100 (100 > watts) and a KX1 (about 3 watts). The coax cable coming from this > switch to the KX2 is a short piece of RG8X and the coax cable going > from this switch to the KX1 is 25' of RG-174 (yes, I already computed > the dB loss and I can live with). > > > Am I likely to cause any damage to to either piece of equipment? > > > Thanks, > Stan WB2LQF > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net From kc4atu at hotmail.com Fri Dec 30 18:51:46 2016 From: kc4atu at hotmail.com (Bill Rowlett) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 23:51:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch In-Reply-To: References: <1d09982f.1e408.15951ec5b8d.Webtop.41@optonline.net> Message-ID: Been using two old B&W 5 position switches to switch between rigs and antennas. No problems, though I run 10 watts or less. 73 Bill KC4ATU On Dec 30, 2016, at 6:47 PM, Bob Nielsen > wrote: As long as there is sufficient isolation in the switch there should be no problem. I have done exactly as you describe with my KX2 and IC-7100 using a MFJ-1702C switch, which is rated for better than 60 dB of isolation to 300 MHz. Bob, N7XY On 12/30/16 2:49 PM, stan levandowski wrote: I would like to use a coaxial switch for an unintended use and I'm not sure if it's a good idea in terms of RF isolation and potential equipment damage. I'm no expert in this area but I know this list is a wealth of expert opinion, so here's my question: I want to buy a two position coaxial switch. I want to connect ONE antenna to it and switch this antenna between a KX2/KXPA100 (100 watts) and a KX1 (about 3 watts). The coax cable coming from this switch to the KX2 is a short piece of RG8X and the coax cable going from this switch to the KX1 is 25' of RG-174 (yes, I already computed the dB loss and I can live with). Am I likely to cause any damage to to either piece of equipment? Thanks, Stan WB2LQF ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kc4atu at hotmail.com From sjl219 at optonline.net Fri Dec 30 18:52:45 2016 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 18:52:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch In-Reply-To: <805217a9-a8a2-7b82-ff34-db2765bea584@embarqmail.com> References: <1d09982f.1e408.15951ec5b8d.Webtop.41@optonline.net> <805217a9-a8a2-7b82-ff34-db2765bea584@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <7d02829a.1e468.15952266908.Webtop.41@optonline.net> Thank you, Don. An Alpha Delta has that isolation. I thought it would be OK but as a hobbyist and not a pro, I don't know what I don't know. ?Happy New Year. Stan WB2LQF On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 06:44 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Stan, > > If your maximum power is 100 watts and the isolation of the switch is > 40dB or more then I don't think you have any problem. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 12/30/2016 5:49 PM, stan levandowski wrote: >> I would like to use a coaxial switch for an unintended use and I'm >> not >> sure if it's a good idea in terms of RF isolation and potential >> equipment damage. >> >> I'm no expert in this area but I know this list is a wealth of expert >> opinion, so here's my question: >> >> >> I want to buy a two position coaxial switch. I want to connect ONE >> antenna to it and switch this antenna between a KX2/KXPA100 (100 >> watts) >> and a KX1 (about 3 watts). The coax cable coming from this switch to >> the KX2 is a short piece of RG8X and the coax cable going from this >> switch to the KX1 is 25' of RG-174 (yes, I already computed the dB >> loss >> and I can live with). >> >> >> Am I likely to cause any damage to to either piece of equipment? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Stan WB2LQF >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From pincon at erols.com Fri Dec 30 19:28:20 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 19:28:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: <003101d262f5$dd347d80$979d7880$@verizon.net> References: <003101d262f5$dd347d80$979d7880$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <00a301d262fc$cd212db0$67638910$@erols.com> I can tell you, I have a lot of 50 MHz DX in the log that a home brew 4CX-1000A made possible. Unlike HF DXing, some six meter ES & F2 openings last only a few minutes, and the early bird + big amp, gets the proverbial worm. I am definitely NOT opposed to running high power. My only piece of logic is that if you're going to go to the trouble and expense of running an amp, go for legal limit. Agreed, SS legal limit amps are pricey, but a legal limit tube amp is much easier on the radio budget. Yeah, I know 500 watts will help, but as we all agree, 1500 will do it when 500 won't. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of N2TK, Tony Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 6:39 PM To: 'Mike va3mw' Cc: 'Elecraft Mail List' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 During mediocre conditions there has been more than once on 80 and 160M the DX could not quite get my call correct with the KPA500. Once the Acom 2000A timed out they had no trouble copying my call. Most of the time I operate the K3 barefoot. When I need more oomph I turn on the KPA500. If conditions are not good I turn on the Acom. There are times the difference between 600W and 1500W can make the difference between a QSO and no QSO. It would be nice to have a 1500W S-S amp in the basement alongside the KPA500. Any amp I would buy needs to be able to be controlled remotely like the KPA500 and the Acom. The only real advantage to me switching from a tube to a solid-state amp would be the timeout thing. During a contest and when a DXpedition is going, then I just leave the Acom on. No big thing letting it sit there idling. 73 and HNY N2TK, Tony From ron at cobi.biz Fri Dec 30 19:29:48 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 16:29:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch In-Reply-To: <7d02829a.1e468.15952266908.Webtop.41@optonline.net> References: <1d09982f.1e408.15951ec5b8d.Webtop.41@optonline.net> <805217a9-a8a2-7b82-ff34-db2765bea584@embarqmail.com> <7d02829a.1e468.15952266908.Webtop.41@optonline.net> Message-ID: <000401d262fc$fe9c9140$fbd5b3c0$@biz> The difference between a hobbyist (Amateur) and a "pro" is that the pro gets paid to find out what he doesn't know. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of stan levandowski Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 3:53 PM To: donwilh at embarqmail.com Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch Thank you, Don. An Alpha Delta has that isolation. I thought it would be OK but as a hobbyist and not a pro, I don't know what I don't know. Happy New Year. Stan WB2LQF From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Dec 30 19:59:47 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 19:59:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch In-Reply-To: <000401d262fc$fe9c9140$fbd5b3c0$@biz> References: <1d09982f.1e408.15951ec5b8d.Webtop.41@optonline.net> <805217a9-a8a2-7b82-ff34-db2765bea584@embarqmail.com> <7d02829a.1e468.15952266908.Webtop.41@optonline.net> <000401d262fc$fe9c9140$fbd5b3c0$@biz> Message-ID: <91e597a6-edba-55b5-47bb-81846dd9acda@embarqmail.com> Ron and all, I would differ from that a little bit. The difference between the amateur and the pro is that the pro knows how to conceal his mistakes. Take it from a former woodworking pro. I don't know how that transfers to electronics, a dead semiconductor device is difficult to to conceal. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2016 7:29 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > The difference between a hobbyist (Amateur) and a "pro" is that the pro gets paid to find out what he doesn't know. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of stan levandowski > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 3:53 PM > To: donwilh at embarqmail.com > Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch > > Thank you, Don. An Alpha Delta has that isolation. I thought it would be OK but as a hobbyist and not a pro, I don't know what I don't know. > Happy New Year. > Stan WB2LQF > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Dec 30 20:04:34 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 17:04:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch In-Reply-To: <91e597a6-edba-55b5-47bb-81846dd9acda@embarqmail.com> References: <1d09982f.1e408.15951ec5b8d.Webtop.41@optonline.net> <805217a9-a8a2-7b82-ff34-db2765bea584@embarqmail.com> <7d02829a.1e468.15952266908.Webtop.41@optonline.net> <000401d262fc$fe9c9140$fbd5b3c0$@biz> <91e597a6-edba-55b5-47bb-81846dd9acda@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <9e29da0e-eccd-15cf-de21-bec26a127895@foothill.net> T-shirt the other day: MECHANIC Curious enough to take it apart Professional enough to put it back together Smart enough to hide the extra parts 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 12/30/2016 4:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Ron and all, > > I would differ from that a little bit. The difference between the > amateur and the pro is that the pro knows how to conceal his mistakes. > Take it from a former woodworking pro. > > I don't know how that transfers to electronics, a dead semiconductor > device is difficult to to conceal. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Dec 30 20:33:04 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 20:33:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] USB sound card functionality in the future? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since the radio is not really that modular I'd not hold my breath. The K3 had several boards that made up the KIO3 module. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Dave Hartzell wrote: > > I'm not sure what the upgrade and refresh cycle is for the KX3, but I'm > wondering if there will ever be KIO3-like capability added to the KX3 (or > KX2). > > Mainly so the radio shows up as a sound card over the USB... > > Dave > ad0qe > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Dec 30 20:52:04 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 01:52:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 [but not for me] Message-ID: I wouldn't buy a 1.5 KW amp either, but for a different reason. Although I have a modern 220 volt drop to the house with ample capability, I do not have 220 volt service to the spare bedroom that I use for my shack. The KPA500 draws about as much current as I think it safe to run, given the 117 VAC wiring in that room. Before I bought the KPA500 I looked at the now-defunct Tokyo HyPower 1.2 KW amp, consulted with a professional electrician about what it would cost to run a 220 volt line into the shack, and decided against it. I suspect that 500 or 600 watts is a "sweet spot" in the market, given that at least some potential buyers would face the same issue I did. That makes the cost - not the price - of a 1.5 KW amp fairly steep. From a microeconomic perspective, I'll bet there's a knee in the demand curve somewhere over 500 watts and somewhere under 1 KW, the point at which a different AC service becomes necessary if not just prudent. That knee describes the probable behavior of buyers and therefore a higher step in the market challenge for sellers. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 13:57:49 -0700 From: Ken G Kopp To: Guy Olinger K2AV , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I have no interest in a 1 or 1.5 KW Amp. Guy (K2AV) sums it up nicely. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP ****************************** From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Dec 30 20:53:03 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 20:53:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch In-Reply-To: <1d09982f.1e408.15951ec5b8d.Webtop.41@optonline.net> References: <1d09982f.1e408.15951ec5b8d.Webtop.41@optonline.net> Message-ID: <5AD5BB92-F645-45E9-8438-782D4F005937@widomaker.com> Note that many antenna switches short the in-used antenna to ground so you would be shorting the output of the in-selected radio to ground. NOT a good idea. MFJ makes a switch that connects 2 radios to 3 antennas. Flip the switch and the antennas are switched to the other radio. Put a dummy load on unused antenna and you are set. I'm not sure of the model number but it's in their catalog. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 30, 2016, at 5:49 PM, stan levandowski wrote: > > I would like to use a coaxial switch for an unintended use and I'm not sure if it's a good idea in terms of RF isolation and potential equipment damage. > > I'm no expert in this area but I know this list is a wealth of expert opinion, so here's my question: > > > I want to buy a two position coaxial switch. I want to connect ONE antenna to it and switch this antenna between a KX2/KXPA100 (100 watts) and a KX1 (about 3 watts). The coax cable coming from this switch to the KX2 is a short piece of RG8X and the coax cable going from this switch to the KX1 is 25' of RG-174 (yes, I already computed the dB loss and I can live with). > > > Am I likely to cause any damage to to either piece of equipment? > > > Thanks, > Stan WB2LQF > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From sjl219 at optonline.net Fri Dec 30 21:00:33 2016 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 21:00:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch In-Reply-To: <5AD5BB92-F645-45E9-8438-782D4F005937@widomaker.com> References: <1d09982f.1e408.15951ec5b8d.Webtop.41@optonline.net> <5AD5BB92-F645-45E9-8438-782D4F005937@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <57017d16.1d63c.159529b6773.Webtop.50@optonline.net> Why not a good idea?? ? The unselected radio is "off" so wouldn't a grounded antenna connection on the unselected radio actually be a good idea? ?Stan. On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 08:53 PM, Nr4c wrote: > Note that many antenna switches short the in-used antenna to ground so > you would be shorting the output of the in-selected radio to ground. > NOT a good idea. > MFJ makes a switch that connects 2 radios to 3 antennas. Flip the > switch and the antennas are switched to the other radio. Put a dummy > load on unused antenna and you are set. I'm not sure of the model > number but it's in their catalog. > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Dec 30, 2016, at 5:49 PM, stan levandowski wrote: >> >> I would like to use a coaxial switch for an unintended use and I'm >> not sure if it's a good idea in terms of RF isolation and potential >> equipment damage. >> >> I'm no expert in this area but I know this list is a wealth of expert >> opinion, so here's my question: >> >> >> I want to buy a two position coaxial switch. I want to connect ONE >> antenna to it and switch this antenna between a KX2/KXPA100 (100 >> watts) and a KX1 (about 3 watts). The coax cable coming from this >> switch to the KX2 is a short piece of RG8X and the coax cable going >> from this switch to the KX1 is 25' of RG-174 (yes, I already computed >> the dB loss and I can live with). >> >> Am I likely to cause any damage to to either piece of equipment? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Stan WB2LQF >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Dec 30 21:44:38 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 18:44:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch In-Reply-To: <91e597a6-edba-55b5-47bb-81846dd9acda@embarqmail.com> References: <1d09982f.1e408.15951ec5b8d.Webtop.41@optonline.net> <805217a9-a8a2-7b82-ff34-db2765bea584@embarqmail.com> <7d02829a.1e468.15952266908.Webtop.41@optonline.net> <000401d262fc$fe9c9140$fbd5b3c0$@biz> <91e597a6-edba-55b5-47bb-81846dd9acda@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: That may be one difference. But having been a pro who got paid for giving advice about things that matter to a client, what being a pro has always meant to was to make sure that I was 1) Never giving advice you were not certain of; and 2) Always ready to say "I don't know, but I'll find out;" and 3) Always ready to say "Not within my expertise, let's ask xxx:" and 4) Always ready to hire xxx to get the right answer if I was contracted to do it, or if the client was willing to pay for it. 73, Jim K9YC On Fri,12/30/2016 4:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I would differ from that a little bit. The difference between the > amateur and the pro is that the pro knows how to conceal his mistakes. > Take it from a former woodworking pro. From no9e at arrl.net Fri Dec 30 23:07:14 2016 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 21:07:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: <00a301d262fc$cd212db0$67638910$@erols.com> References: <003101d262f5$dd347d80$979d7880$@verizon.net> <00a301d262fc$cd212db0$67638910$@erols.com> Message-ID: <1483157234666-7625244.post@n2.nabble.com> With a little work, KPA500 can be a KW amp while losing weight. This is by using LDMOS and a commercial PS. But then KAT500 would have to be beefed up to KAT1000. I have Expert 1.3k that I use with KX3 for > 1 KW. The Expert is 21 lbs (lighter than Elecraft) with a 3:1 tuner + 4 antenna switch and automatic 110/220V switching; KPA500/KAT500 would be 35 lbs + cables. Also without dealers markup, the no-ATU version is not that much expensive than KPA500. But the Expert needs Elecraft refinement. One KW is great when working portable as DX. Everybody responds even with impromptu antennas. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Please-do-a-KPA1500-tp7625198p7625244.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w4as at miamisky.com Fri Dec 30 23:47:45 2016 From: w4as at miamisky.com (Seb) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 23:47:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Moon-Net] Elecraft transverter In-Reply-To: References: <6ab9d82c-5375-1bcf-34ea-a155f0ba3d1b@myfairpoint.net> <1254553515.3827148.1483122270759@mail.yahoo.com> <201612302001.uBUK1908020718@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <8EBCAEFE-9479-43D2-9892-7A08FBF073E9@miamisky.com> You should know that DEMI can install (and probably sell as a kit for you to install) the ApolLo synthesizer board inside of Elecraft transverters. I asked Steve at DEMI some time ago if it would be possible, and he asked me to send him my XV222 transverter. Within a few days, I received it back and is now connected and locked to my external 10 MHz reference source. Mine was the guinea pig and Steve mentioned that he would document its installation. Even with Elecraft?s TCXO, its frequency was not stable enough for meteor scatter use. 73 de Sebastian, W4AS > On Dec 30, 2016, at 4:30 PM, wa3qpx at atlanticbb.net wrote: > > Tom, I also have a Elecraft 432 transverter. After working on it for a month > with Elecraf'ts help I could not get it stable enough for jt65. Elecraft > agreed I had got it as stable as it was going to be.It is ok for ssb and cw. > I am using DEMI transverters on 144,222,432, 1296,2304,and 3456. The only > units with 10mahz reference are 2304 and 3456 which are dead on. I do not > think you are going to find many transceivers that go above 1296. With a > stable transceiver transverters are the way to go and cost effective for > multiple bands. The 432 Elecraft is for sale. I am keeping the 2m > Elecraft for backup in case of emergency during vhf contest. KUHNE makes > excellent equipment but is out of my price reach. Tom got ur qsl today > return is on way tnx. gl paul, wa3qpx > From carl at n8vz.com Sat Dec 31 00:54:14 2016 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?utf-8?Q?Carl_J=C3=B3n_Denbow?=) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 00:54:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 4Sale: Loaded K3s In-Reply-To: <5859DB38.20800@qth.com> References: <16E93767-3DA5-4445-B1CF-35AF2D038C2B@qth.com> <5859C75D.1040408@n8vz.com> <5859DB38.20800@qth.com> Message-ID: SOLD! Sent from my iPhone =========================== Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! =========================== > On Dec 20, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: > > Here you go: > > As a result of a swap, I have ended up with three K3-line rigs. I'm going to sell one. The rig for sale is a K3s originally purchased on 9/8/2015. It has just returned from Elecraft where it was factory aligned and checked out and, according to the Elecraft Repair Report, now "meets or exceeds all factory specfications." This rig is loaded. It includes the following: > KPA3A-F 100W Upgrade > KAT3A-F ATU > KTCX03-1-F K3 TCXO > KFL3A-2.8 2.8 KHz Filter > KFL3A-6K-IR-F K3 6 KHz 8 pole filter > KFL3B-FM-IR-F FM-bandwith filter > KBPF3A General Coverage RX > KRX3A-K K3 2nd RX Modular Kit > K144XV-K 2M Module > Bought new, with all of these modules, the rig costs $4879.50. I will sell for $4200.00, including shipping to your QTH in the Continental United States. PayPal Only. The rig is still in the box which Elecraft used to return it to me. I will take the invoice out, add the manual and sent it to the buyer. > >> Dean L Tuesday, December 20, 2016 7:30 PM >> Carl >> Seems like a lot of work! >> You went through the effort of cross posting it, tell us more about the k3s here. >> 73 >> Dean K2WW >> > > -- > ================================== > Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ > Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 > > carl at n8vz.com > http://www.n8vz.com > EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 > > PSK and JT65 Forever! > ================================== From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sat Dec 31 03:45:10 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 23:45:10 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] [Moon-Net] Elecraft transverter Message-ID: <201612310845.uBV8jAoc015086@mail47c28.carrierzone.com> This topic started on the Moon-Net reflector but I see it has migrated over here. Most of you probably know that I run a business building kits that started with the DEMI transverters. The 50-MHz thru 432-MHz transverters all can be equipped with the VHF-APOLLO synthesized LO, which is a single pcb which mounts on two standoffs above the main transverter board. The kit comes with new DPDT power switch, mini-coax, hookup wire, blue LED lock indicator and BNC connector which provides connection with external 10-MHz reference. DEMI sells the VHF-APOOLOK kit for $134 and I can install it for you for $25 plus shipping. But if you have a solder iron its a 30-minute to 1-hour task with no surface mount installation. Kit comes with instruction sheet. Synth board is fully assembled and kit only includes parts for installing it. I have one on my L432-28 transverter and on my 1296-28 transverter. Not needed on 50-222 MHz in my opinion. To get the best freq accuracy and stability install the TCXO-03 plus the EXREF in the K3. My tests show +/- 2 Hz at 28-MHz on the K3. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From elecraft at g4fre.com Sat Dec 31 06:49:01 2016 From: elecraft at g4fre.com (Dave) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 11:49:01 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Remoterig RRC-1258MkIIs K3-Twin, UK Only Message-ID: <000c01d2635b$e15fc750$a41f55f0$@com> I am selling my RRC-1258MkIIs Twin as they are no longer needed for transatlantic Radio Control. Recently tested to control a remote K3 with a subrx with a local K3. Comes with the set of radio cables I used. No power supplies (as the radio power supply was used to power them) or Ethernet cable. Both units have 2.90 software loads Asking ?330 including shipping to mainland uk ONLY. Prefer cheque but if purchased by paypal, buyer pays any fees Dave G4fre, ww2r Contact me through email: Elecraft at g4fre.com From lists at subich.com Sat Dec 31 08:12:16 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 08:12:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: <1483157234666-7625244.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <003101d262f5$dd347d80$979d7880$@verizon.net> <00a301d262fc$cd212db0$67638910$@erols.com> <1483157234666-7625244.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: > I have Expert 1.3k that I use with KX3 for > 1 KW. The Expert 1.3K also violates the 15 dB gain limitation rule and is a real garbage generator. Expert's own test data in their application for FCC approval showed IMD at -27 dB at 800 W! For your 1 KW, each of the IMD products are probably around .5W and I'd hate to even think about the IMD level at 1.3 KW! 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/30/2016 11:07 PM, Ignacy wrote: > With a little work, KPA500 can be a KW amp while losing weight. This is by > using LDMOS and a commercial PS. But then KAT500 would have to be beefed up > to KAT1000. > > I have Expert 1.3k that I use with KX3 for > 1 KW. The Expert is 21 lbs > (lighter than Elecraft) with a 3:1 tuner + 4 antenna switch and automatic > 110/220V switching; KPA500/KAT500 would be 35 lbs + cables. Also without > dealers markup, the no-ATU version is not that much expensive than KPA500. > But the Expert needs Elecraft refinement. > > One KW is great when working portable as DX. Everybody responds even with > impromptu antennas. > > Ignacy, NO9E > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Please-do-a-KPA1500-tp7625198p7625244.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From rsoifer1 at aol.com Sat Dec 31 08:13:38 2016 From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (rsoifer1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 08:13:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 In-Reply-To: <525808106.4336359.1483129952642@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1595503a2da-3070-2c39b@webprd-a54.mail.aol.com> The setting is OFF . -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Noguchi To: rsoifer1 ; elecraft Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2016 1:35 pm Subject: Re:n [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 >Further to my last email, when I am in Basic mode, with PA MODE set to OFF and the KXPA100 on/off switch set to ON, I get full power out and no dissipation. When PA MODE is ON and the on/off switch set to OFF, the KX3 acts like the KXPA100 is connected to it but there is no power output from the KXPA100 but all the power it produces is being dissipated. Some setting is probably wrong, but I can't figure out which one. I'd suggest checking the ACC2 IO setting in the KX3 to make sure Tx keying isn't being inhibited. It's also possible that the interface cable is faulty. There's also the usual advice to make sure the firmware is current. My club's KX3 and KXPA100 were very unreliable until I updated their 2-3 year old firmware. Mostly intermittent problems with the ATU and even recognizing they're connected, but all that went away with fresh firmware. 73, Ryan AI6DO From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Dec 31 08:56:23 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 13:56:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} - On Professional Error Message-ID: <38F7A997-808C-4F3B-99C4-EA454ED3A90F@law.du.edu> Actually, it varies among the professions. It has been noted in the professional liability field that while doctors get to bury their mistakes, and no-one understands whether a lawyer made a mistake or not, all that architects can do is plant shrubs. Ted, KN1CBR (one of the above) ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 17:04:34 -0800 From: Fred Jensen To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch Message-ID: <9e29da0e-eccd-15cf-de21-bec26a127895 at foothill.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed T-shirt the other day: MECHANIC Curious enough to take it apart Professional enough to put it back together Smart enough to hide the extra parts 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 12/30/2016 4:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Ron and all, > > I would differ from that a little bit. The difference between the > amateur and the pro is that the pro knows how to conceal his mistakes. > Take it from a former woodworking pro. > > I don't know how that transfers to electronics, a dead semiconductor > device is difficult to to conceal. > > 73, > Don W3FPR ------------------------------ From jim.w4atk at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 09:55:06 2016 From: jim.w4atk at gmail.com (Jim Rogers) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 08:55:06 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Heatsink fro K144XV Message-ID: <83fef72f-8da2-81f3-4c29-acdb734652e1@gmail.com> A heatsink for the left side panel (from the front) of the K3(s) above the handle? Someone said they had seen one advertised. JIm, W4ATK From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sat Dec 31 10:01:07 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 10:01:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general Message-ID: I have always been under the impression the doubling of output power will result in a power gain of 3 db. And, that 3 db gain is the least signal increase noticeable at the receiving point. KPA500 outputs 500 Watts - 1000 Watts would give an output gain of 3 db (over the KPA500) and 1500 Watts a little over 4 db gain. That being my understanding - why would I want to spend a box full of dollars for more power than my KPA500 provides? Or, is my understanding flawed? FWIW, I have run all kinds of amps in my nearly 60 years of being the on the air and have found that Watts are Watts, regardless of how you generate them (fancy, cheap, junk, or solid gold). Everyone have a super HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Bill W2BLC K-Line (medium power HF) From phystad at mac.com Sat Dec 31 10:29:13 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 07:29:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} - On Professional Error In-Reply-To: <38F7A997-808C-4F3B-99C4-EA454ED3A90F@law.du.edu> References: <38F7A997-808C-4F3B-99C4-EA454ED3A90F@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <81B2153F-109F-496D-B961-F6D4D2F69D67@mac.com> And computer programmers relabel their ?bugs? as new features. > On Dec 31, 2016, at 5:56 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > Actually, it varies among the professions. > > It has been noted in the professional liability field that while doctors get to bury their mistakes, and no-one understands whether a lawyer made a mistake or not, all that architects can do is plant shrubs. > > Ted, KN1CBR (one of the above) > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 17:04:34 -0800 > From: Fred Jensen > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch > Message-ID: <9e29da0e-eccd-15cf-de21-bec26a127895 at foothill.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > T-shirt the other day: > > MECHANIC > > Curious enough to take it apart > > Professional enough to put it back together > > Smart enough to hide the extra parts > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV USA > Washoe County DM09dn > > On 12/30/2016 4:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Ron and all, >> >> I would differ from that a little bit. The difference between the >> amateur and the pro is that the pro knows how to conceal his mistakes. >> Take it from a former woodworking pro. >> >> I don't know how that transfers to electronics, a dead semiconductor >> device is difficult to to conceal. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From john at kk9a.com Sat Dec 31 10:39:52 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 10:39:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 Message-ID: <001001d2637c$23f94940$6bebdbc0$@com> Since I sometimes bring my station to the Caribbean, one of the main reasons that I switched to the Elecraft line was for the size and weight. I have a KPA500 and an it is an awesome amplifier but I would like a little more power at times. I considered the Expert 1.3k that many with similar needs use but I have not swapped my Elecraft due to the reasons that W4TV mentioned below. It may not be practical for Elecraft to manufacture a small lightweight KPA1500 at an affordable price however perhaps a KPA750 or KPA1000 could be. I would certainly be interested in one of these. I read many posts on this list saying that 3 or 4dBs make almost no difference. I did a quick search of my last 200,000+ QSOs and could not find any of the stations making this claim in my logs so I wonder how active they are on HF. John KK9A From: Joe Subich W4TV The Expert 1.3K also violates the 15 dB gain limitation rule and is a real garbage generator. Expert's own test data in their application for FCC approval showed IMD at -27 dB at 800 W! For your 1 KW, each of the IMD products are probably around .5W and I'd hate to even think about the IMD level at 1.3 KW! 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/30/2016 11:07 PM, Ignacy wrote: > With a little work, KPA500 can be a KW amp while losing weight. This is by > using LDMOS and a commercial PS. But then KAT500 would have to be beefed up > to KAT1000. > > I have Expert 1.3k that I use with KX3 for > 1 KW. The Expert is 21 lbs > (lighter than Elecraft) with a 3:1 tuner + 4 antenna switch and automatic > 110/220V switching; KPA500/KAT500 would be 35 lbs + cables. Also without > dealers markup, the no-ATU version is not that much expensive than KPA500. > But the Expert needs Elecraft refinement. > > One KW is great when working portable as DX. Everybody responds even with > impromptu antennas. > > Ignacy, NO9E From bill at watershipfarm.com Sat Dec 31 11:30:14 2016 From: bill at watershipfarm.com (William Rascher) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 10:30:14 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 In-Reply-To: <15951350e77-6626-2a9c9@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> References: <15951350e77-6626-2a9c9@webprd-a44.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <1636679.xhvFAIHmPO@linux-hpiu> Ray, I had a simular problem and the solution was replacing a bad cable. You might want to contact Elecraft support . 73, Bill KT5TE On Friday, December 30, 2016 2:29:08 PM CST Ray W2RS via Elecraft wrote: > Ryan, > > > Yes, I am using the correct adapter cable. > > > 73 Ray W2RS > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Noguchi > To: rsoifer1 ; elecraft > Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2016 8:43 am > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 > > >>http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3_installation_FAQ_v-0-8.pdf see Figure > >>3.> > >When I tried that, I got no output from the KXPA100 with the KX3 PA MODE > >set to ON. If I set that to OFF, I get full output but then not full > >interaction with the KX3. What am I doing wrong? > So are you saying that you have the KX3, PX3, and KXPA100 all connected in > the exact manner depicted in Figure 3 (which also appears in the PX3 > manual) and you're still experiencing this problem? Maybe I'm mistaken, but > it sounds like you aren't using the KX3-KXPA100 adapter cable. You can't > just connect the KXPA100 RS232 port directly to the KX3 ACC1 port. > > > > 73, Ryan AI6DO > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bill at watershipfarm.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Dec 31 12:56:11 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 09:56:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat,12/31/2016 7:01 AM, Bill wrote: > I have always been under the impression the doubling of output power > will result in a power gain of 3 db. Right. > And, that 3 db gain is the least signal increase noticeable at the > receiving point. Wrong. As an audio professional, I had to learn a lot about human perception of sound. Here are some things I've learned, both by studying what others have learned and by my own observations. 1) If some sound is all by itself (that's all that you here, no other sounds), 1 dB is the smallest change in level that most listeners will hear. 2) If some sound is surrounded by other sounds -- a single instrument in a band or orchestra, a signal in noise, a 1 dB change can be the difference between hearing it and not hearing it. When I mixed live sound for 20-40 piece orchestras (Tony Bennett, for example), correcting a balance problem usually involved slightly moving the fader for the instrument that was too loud or not loud enough. When adjusting voice paging levels in an office building, 2-3dB was the difference between not quite loud enough to get over the air conditioner noise and being to loud. A change in the frequency response of a dB or two can be the difference between sounding "right" or not. 3) If a sound is all by itself, it takes a change in level of 6-10 dB to be perceived as "twice" (or "half" as loud. But that doesn't apply to a transmitter, because we have a volume control on our radio. :) 4) Human voice levels vary widely as we talk. Variations of 20 dB are common. 5) Voice frequencies in the range of 500 - 3,000 Hz are most critical for speech intelligibility. In addition to running more power, we can get gain from improving our antenna system. A more efficient counterpoise/radial system for a vertical, feedline with lower loss, a more efficient antenna tuner, and the biggie, an antenna that better focuses its radiation at the elevation, and/or in the direction, that gets to the other station. We can use audio compression, and we can equalize our audio to transmit only the parts of our voice that provides the greatest speech intelligibility. Compression and EQ, if done well, can yield an effective 13 dB of gain! All of those dB add up with the power that we're running. Nearly all TV and radio broadcasting makes extensive use of dynamics processing to make their signal as loud as possible, and the most skilled use careful equalization on the microphones of talkers that matter. 73, Jim K9YC From rsoifer1 at aol.com Sat Dec 31 13:06:43 2016 From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (rsoifer1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 13:06:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 In-Reply-To: <4644a026-ebe5-1452-0351-36faf80efd74@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <159560ff508-7de6-2a132@webprd-m24.mail.aol.com> Yes, the power light is on. When I'm in Basic mode (PA MODE OFF), the KXPA100 draws 12 amps key down at 13 VDC. The power output is 100 watts. With PA MODE ON, there is no output and the current drawn is 8 amps at 13 VDC. The power is dissipated through the heat sink. Hope this helps. 73 Ray W2RS Does the power light on the KXPA100 turn on when you power on the KX3? -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm To: rsoifer1 ; dave Cc: fcady ; ai6do ; elecraft Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2016 1:49 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3 Ray, Does the power light on the KXPA100 turn on when you power on the KX3? I am not sure about your statements about "all the power it produces is being dissipated" Dissipated where? Into power output or into heat? Does the heatsink heat up? Similarly, your statement about "no power dissipated" when in basic mode. Can you connect an external wattmeter and a dummy load, put the KXAT100 into bypass and see what the KXPA100 is really producing. That more detailed information will aid in answering your question. If you can measure the current draw and voltage during keydown that would help even more. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2016 3:16 PM, rsoifer1 at aol.com wrote: > Further to my last email, when I am in Basic mode, with PA MODE set to > OFF and the KXPA100 on/off switch set to ON, I get full power out and > no dissipation. When PA MODE is ON and the on/off switch set to OFF, > the KX3 acts like the KXPA100 is connected to it but there is no power > output from the KXPA100 but all the power it produces is being > dissipated. Some setting is probably wrong, but I can't figure out > which one. > > From jrhallas at optonline.net Sat Dec 31 13:07:24 2016 From: jrhallas at optonline.net (Joel Hallas) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 13:07:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c601d26390$bcf2e0c0$36d8a240$@net> Don, I agree with your 40 dB isolation number, and would expect that to be fairly conservative, since that would result in a +10 dBm level at the non-operating receiver. The ARRL Lab tests all product review receivers for IMD response at up to +10 dBm input and there have never (to my knowledge) been any failures. But this question comes up frequently in many contexts and the stumbling block is that there are no "max safe rcv levels" published by manufacturers (only exception I'm aware of is the Collins 75A4, which has a sticker by the receive antenna terminal "Do not exceed 50 V," which translates to 50 W at 50 ohms, or +47 dBm -- more than most solid state gear can handle, I would expect!). So my question is has (or can) Elecraft actually come up with a "max safe rcv level" spec for their receivers? This would be great, not only for those wanting to use a multi-radio switch, but also for those setting up Field Day or other multiradio environments, or especially for those who use a receive only antenna. Two other comments about the original question: The switch isolation figure assumes that all shields are solidly connected. Loose connector backshells, or bad shield solder connections, can result in signals propagating around the switch that can be higher than the switch crosstalk. Another potential limitation is that the switch crosstalk spec likely assumes that all ports are terminated in 50 ohms. If the non-operating receiver is turned off, or is on another band, the input Z can be very different and result in higher voltage than the spec would predict. Regards, Joel Hallas, W1ZR Message: 10 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 18:44:58 -0500 From: Don Wilhelm To: stan levandowski , Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] {OT} - Variation on use of a coaxial switch Message-ID: <805217a9-a8a2-7b82-ff34-db2765bea584 at embarqmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Stan, If your maximum power is 100 watts and the isolation of the switch is 40dB or more then I don't think you have any problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/30/2016 5:49 PM, stan levandowski wrote: > I would like to use a coaxial switch for an unintended use and I'm not > sure if it's a good idea in terms of RF isolation and potential > equipment damage. From k9ma at sdellington.us Sat Dec 31 13:14:57 2016 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 12:14:57 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd just like to add that, averaged over a period of time, say a whole contest, a small difference in power can have a significant effect. While a dB or so might be very hard to detect in one QSO, over a few hundred it makes a difference. On average, you get through a bit more often, more stations come back to your CQ's, and it adds up. 73, Scott K9MA -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From pincon at erols.com Sat Dec 31 13:43:40 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 13:43:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003d01d26395$d1931540$74b93fc0$@erols.com> Using your same logic, why run more than a couple watts output? It can easily be heard around the world if conditions are right. Anything more is a waste of power AND money. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 10:01 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general I have always been under the impression the doubling of output power will result in a power gain of 3 db. And, that 3 db gain is the least signal increase noticeable at the receiving point. KPA500 outputs 500 Watts - 1000 Watts would give an output gain of 3 db (over the KPA500) and 1500 Watts a little over 4 db gain. That being my understanding - why would I want to spend a box full of dollars for more power than my KPA500 provides? Or, is my understanding flawed? FWIW, I have run all kinds of amps in my nearly 60 years of being the on the air and have found that Watts are Watts, regardless of how you generate them (fancy, cheap, junk, or solid gold). Everyone have a super HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Bill W2BLC K-Line (medium power HF) ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From turnbull at net1.ie Sat Dec 31 13:55:12 2016 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 18:55:12 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general In-Reply-To: <003d01d26395$d1931540$74b93fc0$@erols.com> References: <003d01d26395$d1931540$74b93fc0$@erols.com> Message-ID: Dear OMs, There are times when I am sure that 1 dB would make a difference on 160M. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Charlie T, K3ICH Sent: 31 December 2016 18:44 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general Using your same logic, why run more than a couple watts output? It can easily be heard around the world if conditions are right. Anything more is a waste of power AND money. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 10:01 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general I have always been under the impression the doubling of output power will result in a power gain of 3 db. And, that 3 db gain is the least signal increase noticeable at the receiving point. KPA500 outputs 500 Watts - 1000 Watts would give an output gain of 3 db (over the KPA500) and 1500 Watts a little over 4 db gain. That being my understanding - why would I want to spend a box full of dollars for more power than my KPA500 provides? Or, is my understanding flawed? FWIW, I have run all kinds of amps in my nearly 60 years of being the on the air and have found that Watts are Watts, regardless of how you generate them (fancy, cheap, junk, or solid gold). Everyone have a super HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Bill W2BLC K-Line (medium power HF) ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From dmoes at nexicom.net Sat Dec 31 13:58:29 2016 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 13:58:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general Message-ID: <5867ffd5.5777.52453940.4cf4f5aa@nexicom.net> An increase in power of another station is not always well perceived but the difference is there. I've heard guys turn amps on and off and you really hear no difference this is because your AGC is compensating. the difference may actually be big your just not hearing it. Sometime in a QSO have the other station increase or decrease the signal by 3db. it will not be that noticable. now turn off AGC and ask the other station do it again it will be much more evident. than with AGC on. With more than one signal present say in a pileup the different will be noticeable because the weaker signals will seem quiter when a strong signal comes in. its all relative. David Moes VE3SD From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Dec 31 14:25:18 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 11:25:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general In-Reply-To: <5867ffd5.5777.52453940.4cf4f5aa@nexicom.net> References: <5867ffd5.5777.52453940.4cf4f5aa@nexicom.net> Message-ID: One can do this with the NCDXF Beacons ... they change in four 10 dB steps, 100 W, 10 W, 1 W, and 100 mW. No sunspots right now, but you might be able to hear one or two of them on 14100. Most interesting thing I notice is, while the 100 W signal may be S6 in S2 noise, I can still hear the 100 mW signal which should be 40 dB down [~S0]. The math is sound and exact, the reality ... not so much. 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 - www.cqp.org On 12/31/2016 10:58 AM, dmoes at nexicom.net wrote: > Sometime in a QSO have the other station increase or decrease the > signal by 3db. it will not be that noticable. now turn off AGC and > ask the other station do it again it will be much more evident. than > with AGC on. > With more than one signal present say in a pileup the different will be > noticeable because the weaker signals will seem quiter when a strong > signal comes in. its all relative. > David Moes > VE3SD From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Dec 31 14:36:17 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 11:36:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general In-Reply-To: References: <5867ffd5.5777.52453940.4cf4f5aa@nexicom.net> Message-ID: <9b4d8a90-35f6-f60b-d20f-4e4949c0f81d@foothill.net> Please let me correct my typo: 100 mW is 30 dB down, not 40. Correct hand, wrong finger. 100 mW should be close to S0, 2 S-units into the noise. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 12/31/2016 11:25 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > One can do this with the NCDXF Beacons ... they change in four 10 dB > steps, 100 W, 10 W, 1 W, and 100 mW. No sunspots right now, but you > might be able to hear one or two of them on 14100. Most interesting > thing I notice is, while the 100 W signal may be S6 in S2 noise, I can > still hear the 100 mW signal which should be 40 dB down [~S0]. The math > is sound and exact, the reality ... not so much. From k9yeq at live.com Sat Dec 31 14:47:27 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 19:47:27 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general In-Reply-To: <5867ffd5.5777.52453940.4cf4f5aa@nexicom.net> References: <5867ffd5.5777.52453940.4cf4f5aa@nexicom.net> Message-ID: David, Super point. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of dmoes at nexicom.net Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 12:58 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general An increase in power of another station is not always well perceived but the difference is there. I've heard guys turn amps on and off and you really hear no difference this is because your AGC is compensating. the difference may actually be big your just not hearing it. Sometime in a QSO have the other station increase or decrease the signal by 3db. it will not be that noticable. now turn off AGC and ask the other station do it again it will be much more evident. than with AGC on. With more than one signal present say in a pileup the different will be noticeable because the weaker signals will seem quiter when a strong signal comes in. its all relative. David Moes VE3SD ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From cautery at montac.com Sat Dec 31 14:51:51 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 13:51:51 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general In-Reply-To: <9b4d8a90-35f6-f60b-d20f-4e4949c0f81d@foothill.net> References: <5867ffd5.5777.52453940.4cf4f5aa@nexicom.net> <9b4d8a90-35f6-f60b-d20f-4e4949c0f81d@foothill.net> Message-ID: <7257a548-dd24-3ba7-362f-fce2f967b20a@montac.com> Let me posit a SWAG on why this case APPEARS to buck the math in reality.... I submit that all "noise" is not equal. I'm guessing that you can hear a radio transmission mathematically below the apparent noise level because it is "atypical" or "organized noise" as opposed to the "noise" in the S2 noise floor which is "disorganized". Obviously, there are much more correct and scientific ways of illustrating this, but it would be a LOT longer winded. :) 73, PS - Just my intuitive SWAG, btw. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 12/31/2016 1:36 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Please let me correct my typo: 100 mW is 30 dB down, not 40. Correct > hand, wrong finger. 100 mW should be close to S0, 2 S-units into the > noise. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV USA > Washoe County DM09dn > From n9aa at arrl.net Sat Dec 31 15:21:23 2016 From: n9aa at arrl.net (Scott Manthe) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 15:21:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: <001001d2637c$23f94940$6bebdbc0$@com> References: <001001d2637c$23f94940$6bebdbc0$@com> Message-ID: I think a KPA1000 would be pretty popular if priced appropriately. I love my KPA500, but a little extra oomph would be nice now and then. 73, Scott N9AA On 12/31/16 10:39 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > Since I sometimes bring my station to the Caribbean, one of the main reasons > that I switched to the Elecraft line was for the size and weight. I have a > KPA500 and an it is an awesome amplifier but I would like a little more > power at times. I considered the Expert 1.3k that many with similar needs > use but I have not swapped my Elecraft due to the reasons that W4TV > mentioned below. It may not be practical for Elecraft to manufacture a small > lightweight KPA1500 at an affordable price however perhaps a KPA750 or > KPA1000 could be. I would certainly be interested in one of these. I read > many posts on this list saying that 3 or 4dBs make almost no difference. I > did a quick search of my last 200,000+ QSOs and could not find any of the > stations making this claim in my logs so I wonder how active they are on HF. > > John KK9A > > > From: Joe Subich W4TV > > The Expert 1.3K also violates the 15 dB gain limitation rule and is a > real garbage generator. Expert's own test data in their application > for FCC approval showed IMD at -27 dB at 800 W! For your 1 KW, each > of the IMD products are probably around .5W and I'd hate to even > think about the IMD level at 1.3 KW! > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > From turnbull at net1.ie Sat Dec 31 15:39:55 2016 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 20:39:55 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general In-Reply-To: <9b4d8a90-35f6-f60b-d20f-4e4949c0f81d@foothill.net> References: <5867ffd5.5777.52453940.4cf4f5aa@nexicom.net> <9b4d8a90-35f6-f60b-d20f-4e4949c0f81d@foothill.net> Message-ID: Fred, I agree with all you say but still when reading a signal in the noise on 160M believe me a dB can help in recognizing a call sign. I often think that operating on TB is some what like operating on VHF/UHF. It is certainly a struggle with noise. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: 31 December 2016 19:36 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general Please let me correct my typo: 100 mW is 30 dB down, not 40. Correct hand, wrong finger. 100 mW should be close to S0, 2 S-units into the noise. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 12/31/2016 11:25 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > One can do this with the NCDXF Beacons ... they change in four 10 dB > steps, 100 W, 10 W, 1 W, and 100 mW. No sunspots right now, but you > might be able to hear one or two of them on 14100. Most interesting > thing I notice is, while the 100 W signal may be S6 in S2 noise, I can > still hear the 100 mW signal which should be 40 dB down [~S0]. The math > is sound and exact, the reality ... not so much. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From k6mr at outlook.com Sat Dec 31 15:56:45 2016 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 20:56:45 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: References: <001001d2637c$23f94940$6bebdbc0$@com>, Message-ID: So buy another KPA500 and combine them. Easy peasy. Ken K6MR From: Scott Manthe Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 12:22 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 I think a KPA1000 would be pretty popular if priced appropriately. I love my KPA500, but a little extra oomph would be nice now and then. 73, Scott N9AA On 12/31/16 10:39 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > Since I sometimes bring my station to the Caribbean, one of the main reasons > that I switched to the Elecraft line was for the size and weight. I have a > KPA500 and an it is an awesome amplifier but I would like a little more > power at times. I considered the Expert 1.3k that many with similar needs > use but I have not swapped my Elecraft due to the reasons that W4TV > mentioned below. It may not be practical for Elecraft to manufacture a small > lightweight KPA1500 at an affordable price however perhaps a KPA750 or > KPA1000 could be. I would certainly be interested in one of these. I read > many posts on this list saying that 3 or 4dBs make almost no difference. I > did a quick search of my last 200,000+ QSOs and could not find any of the > stations making this claim in my logs so I wonder how active they are on HF. > > John KK9A > > > From: Joe Subich W4TV > > The Expert 1.3K also violates the 15 dB gain limitation rule and is a > real garbage generator. Expert's own test data in their application > for FCC approval showed IMD at -27 dB at 800 W! For your 1 KW, each > of the IMD products are probably around .5W and I'd hate to even > think about the IMD level at 1.3 KW! > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Dec 31 16:51:54 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 13:51:54 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general In-Reply-To: <7257a548-dd24-3ba7-362f-fce2f967b20a@montac.com> References: <5867ffd5.5777.52453940.4cf4f5aa@nexicom.net> <9b4d8a90-35f6-f60b-d20f-4e4949c0f81d@foothill.net> <7257a548-dd24-3ba7-362f-fce2f967b20a@montac.com> Message-ID: <553bf7f5-a8e0-921a-d3cb-83baa8691aa4@foothill.net> I believe you're correct Clay. I think our ears/brain can integrate the overall signal, and the noise, if more or less random, will recede into the background. The desired CW signal will then stand out. I suspect that, were you to key noise similar to the background noise and that filled the receive BW, it would disappear for a listener as soon as it's mean amplitude fell to the background level. This may also explain why, the more you talk, the less your teenager hears. 73, Fred K6DGW - Sparks NV DM09dn - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 7-8 Oct 2017 - www.cqp.org On 12/31/2016 11:51 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > Let me posit a SWAG on why this case APPEARS to buck the math in reality.... > > I submit that all "noise" is not equal. I'm guessing that you can hear > a radio transmission mathematically below the apparent noise level > because it is "atypical" or "organized noise" as opposed to the "noise" > in the S2 noise floor which is "disorganized". > > Obviously, there are much more correct and scientific ways of > illustrating this, but it would be a LOT longer winded. :) > > 73, > > PS - Just my intuitive SWAG, btw. From ctate at ewnetinc.com Sat Dec 31 17:35:43 2016 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 22:35:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: References: <001001d2637c$23f94940$6bebdbc0$@com>, Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD12954B8D@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> In fact.. a nice Elecraft Combiner added to the k-line.... then why buy one when you can have 2.... such a great idea :-). Everyones happy. HNY Chris N6WM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken K6MR Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 12:57 PM To: Scott Manthe ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 So buy another KPA500 and combine them. Easy peasy. Ken K6MR From: Scott Manthe Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 12:22 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 I think a KPA1000 would be pretty popular if priced appropriately. I love my KPA500, but a little extra oomph would be nice now and then. 73, Scott N9AA On 12/31/16 10:39 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > Since I sometimes bring my station to the Caribbean, one of the main > reasons that I switched to the Elecraft line was for the size and > weight. I have a > KPA500 and an it is an awesome amplifier but I would like a little > more power at times. I considered the Expert 1.3k that many with > similar needs use but I have not swapped my Elecraft due to the > reasons that W4TV mentioned below. It may not be practical for > Elecraft to manufacture a small lightweight KPA1500 at an affordable > price however perhaps a KPA750 or > KPA1000 could be. I would certainly be interested in one of these. I > read many posts on this list saying that 3 or 4dBs make almost no > difference. I did a quick search of my last 200,000+ QSOs and could > not find any of the stations making this claim in my logs so I wonder how active they are on HF. > > John KK9A > > > From: Joe Subich W4TV > > The Expert 1.3K also violates the 15 dB gain limitation rule and is a > real garbage generator. Expert's own test data in their application > for FCC approval showed IMD at -27 dB at 800 W! For your 1 KW, each > of the IMD products are probably around .5W and I'd hate to even think > about the IMD level at 1.3 KW! > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Dec 31 17:39:37 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 15:39:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general In-Reply-To: <003d01d26395$d1931540$74b93fc0$@erols.com> References: <003d01d26395$d1931540$74b93fc0$@erols.com> Message-ID: <58c9c336-bcb3-5ad4-a43c-cb2be5dab726@triconet.org> That's what I was thinking. On 12/31/2016 11:43 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > Using your same logic, why run more than a couple watts output? > From w5rg at yahoo.com Sat Dec 31 17:40:55 2016 From: w5rg at yahoo.com (Bob Gibson) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 22:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] k3 problem References: <1369632302.4758939.1483224055518.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1369632302.4758939.1483224055518@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Fellows.. I have a friend that I'm trying to help.. he is 85 years old and has a k3. He turned on the radio today and got a err exf message... or he may have said err txf. not sure.. I told him I would try to help him.. he is in OKLA and I'm in Florida so it is not easy.. Can someone please tell me what the message means.. and I will call him back. He is a very dear ham buddy of 60 years. Thanks??? 73s Bob W5RG From hlyingst at yahoo.com Sat Dec 31 17:46:30 2016 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 22:46:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] I need More RX Volume on my K3, has anyone run an external audio amp? References: <750519762.4271045.1483224390071.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <750519762.4271045.1483224390071@mail.yahoo.com> I have the K3 and a pair of SP3 speakers When I turn down the RF gain and turn on the NR (to clean up the band noise) ?I run out of Audio (too quiet) to hear the weaker signals. I was curious if anyone is running a small external amp between the K3 and the speakers to help bring up the volume? Thank you From n1rj at roadrunner.com Sat Dec 31 17:59:53 2016 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 17:59:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] I need More RX Volume on my K3, has anyone run an external audio amp? In-Reply-To: <750519762.4271045.1483224390071@mail.yahoo.com> References: <750519762.4271045.1483224390071.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <750519762.4271045.1483224390071@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <58683869.3070806@roadrunner.com> I use an amplified pair of computer speakers. 73, Roger On 12/31/2016 5:46 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote: > I have the K3 and a pair of SP3 speakers > > When I turn down the RF gain and turn on the NR (to clean up the band noise) I run out of Audio (too quiet) to hear the weaker signals. > > I was curious if anyone is running a small external amp between the K3 and the speakers to help bring up the volume? > > Thank you > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1rj at roadrunner.com From hlyingst at yahoo.com Sat Dec 31 18:01:00 2016 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 23:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] k3 problem In-Reply-To: <1369632302.4758939.1483224055518@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1369632302.4758939.1483224055518.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1369632302.4758939.1483224055518@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <357836724.4255936.1483225260529@mail.yahoo.com> As per the K3 Manual Rev D10, Page 70 ERR TXF Invalid transmit crystal filter bandwidth The crystal filter selected for TX (with CONFIG:FLTX) is either too narrow or too wide. You must specify a filter that is 2.7 or 2.8 kHz wide for CW/DATA/SSB, 6 kHz for AM, and 13.0 kHz for FM). That being said it could be a mis-configuration, or possible Corrupt firmware in the radio (Speculation from reading past messages) From: Bob Gibson via Elecraft To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 5:40 PM Subject: [Elecraft] k3 problem Hi Fellows.. I have a friend that I'm trying to help.. he is 85 years old and has a k3. He turned on the radio today and got a err exf message... or he may have said err txf. not sure.. I told him I would try to help him.. he is in OKLA and I'm in Florida so it is not easy.. Can someone please tell me what the message means.. and I will call him back. He is a very dear ham buddy of 60 years. Thanks??? 73s Bob W5RG ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 31 18:05:28 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 18:05:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] k3 problem In-Reply-To: <1369632302.4758939.1483224055518@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1369632302.4758939.1483224055518.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1369632302.4758939.1483224055518@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0fe4a196-9474-6351-5ac9-42b3e45491b6@embarqmail.com> Bob, The list of error codes start on page 68 of the K3 manual. ERR EFX does not exist, but ERR TXF is valid - it says the filter configured for transmit is not valid. That is relatively easy to see with K3 Utility - Configuration tab, Configure Xtal Filters. The filter for CW, DATA, SSB must be the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter. For ESSB it needs to be the 6Khz filter and AM can use either the 6kHz or 13kHz filter And for FM it must be the 13kHz filter. Is there any chance he has turned on ESSB mode in the menu and does not have the 6kHz filter installed? 73, Don W3FPR On 12/31/2016 5:40 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote: > Hi Fellows.. I have a friend that I'm trying to help.. he is 85 years old and has a k3. He turned on the radio today and got a err exf message... or he may have said err txf. not sure.. I told him I would try to help him.. he is in OKLA and I'm in Florida so it is not easy.. Can someone please tell me what the message means.. and I will call him back. He is a very dear ham buddy of 60 years. Thanks 73s Bob W5RG From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Sat Dec 31 18:10:29 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 23:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] I need More RX Volume on my K3, has anyone run an external audio amp? In-Reply-To: <750519762.4271045.1483224390071@mail.yahoo.com> References: <750519762.4271045.1483224390071.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <750519762.4271045.1483224390071@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <574456726.4684636.1483225829370@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, I have an old SS 15 watt HIFI amp I use to feed a small HIFI speaker under the desk.? Works great and I can fill the room with CLEAN audio. Mel, K6KBE From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 2:46 PM Subject: [Elecraft] I need More RX Volume on my K3, has anyone run an external audio amp? I have the K3 and a pair of SP3 speakers When I turn down the RF gain and turn on the NR (to clean up the band noise) ?I run out of Audio (too quiet) to hear the weaker signals. I was curious if anyone is running a small external amp between the K3 and the speakers to help bring up the volume? Thank you ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From nthdegreeinc at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 19:04:40 2016 From: nthdegreeinc at gmail.com (Ron Reis) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 16:04:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 Questionj Message-ID: Just got my KX1 together and checking the receiver. I noticed that when selecting 7mhz i see a "U" on the leading character of the LED. Do not see this on 14mhz. Can't find any reference to this in the manual. Can anyone tell me if this is normal? 73 Ron KB6K From no9e at arrl.net Sat Dec 31 19:04:53 2016 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 17:04:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: References: <003101d262f5$dd347d80$979d7880$@verizon.net> <00a301d262fc$cd212db0$67638910$@erols.com> <1483157234666-7625244.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1483229093044-7625281.post@n2.nabble.com> The Expert 1.3k is sold with the 15 db restriction. But anybody can do a low power mod and it is legal. ARLL Review (July 16) shows IMD at 1.3 KW level: 3rd/5th/7th/9th (14 MHz, 1300 W PEP): ?31/?39/?57/?55 dB. Seems not to be worse than Acom 1500. The IMD as measured are misleading. Take FT1000 or FT5000. Measured IMD in class A perhaps -50db but real one with processing due to aggressive ALC of perhaps -25 db. Good feature of the expert is automatic 110/220V supply. If 220V is unavailable or sags, switch to lower power. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Please-do-a-KPA1500-tp7625198p7625281.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wbtaylor75 at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 19:12:53 2016 From: wbtaylor75 at gmail.com (Willie - N5EIT) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 18:12:53 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] New Years 2017 Message-ID: If anyone is in Louisiana around 2359 31 December 2016, my friends and I will have cocaine and hookers at the El Dorado casino in shreveport .... he he he I'm just kidding ... I'll be on 30M cw through the night at my deer lease... looking for dx!!! -- *Sincerely,* *William B. Taylor* From w5rg at yahoo.com Sat Dec 31 19:13:13 2016 From: w5rg at yahoo.com (Bob Gibson) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 00:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] k3 problem References: <878165236.4786582.1483229593994.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <878165236.4786582.1483229593994@mail.yahoo.com> Well I guess he will have to call on Monday to Elecraft to get help.. over the phone will just not work.. Thanks to all who replied!!??? 73s Bob W5RG From holohaj2 at hotmail.com Sat Dec 31 19:25:16 2016 From: holohaj2 at hotmail.com (James Holohan) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 00:25:16 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] ERR TXGN Message-ID: Completed building my K3S (2.7kHz stock filter only, KP3A 100 W PA). Carried out 5 W and 50 W calibration successfully. Subsequently upgraded Software successfully. Shut down but next day noticed power out was low. Re-run Calibration but now it fails even on 5 W showing "ERR TXGN". I'd appreciate any help. Regards. Jim EI4HH. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 31 19:56:29 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 19:56:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 Questionj In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b0229ee-15ca-fd35-e75f-b906fbf6bf6b@embarqmail.com> Ron, That indicates Upper Sideband. It will rotate between L, U and NOR. To change it hold the outside two blue buttons. When in NOR (CW) mode, there is no designator displayed. See page 66 in the manual. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/31/2016 7:04 PM, Ron Reis wrote: > Just got my KX1 together and checking the receiver. I noticed that when > selecting 7mhz i see a "U" on the leading character of the LED. Do not see > this on 14mhz. Can't find any reference to this in the manual. Can anyone > tell me if this is normal? From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 31 20:00:29 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 20:00:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] k3 problem In-Reply-To: <878165236.4786582.1483229593994@mail.yahoo.com> References: <878165236.4786582.1483229593994.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <878165236.4786582.1483229593994@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0b15379a-00ef-3ed7-c791-53888a1f4451@embarqmail.com> Bob, He will have to wait until Tuesday - Elecraft is closed Monday. In the meantime, he should look at what is enabled for his transmit filters using K3 Utility. He needs to know what filters are installed. There should be a sticker on the inside of the top cover indicating which filters are installed. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/31/2016 7:13 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote: > Well I guess he will have to call on Monday to Elecraft to get help.. over the phone will just not work.. Thanks to all who replied!! 73s Bob W5RG > ______________________________________________________________ From jrmcbee at cox.net Sat Dec 31 20:04:54 2016 From: jrmcbee at cox.net (John McBee) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 19:04:54 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Ten Tec Titain 465 hook up Message-ID: I have just purchased an Ten Tec Titan 425 amplifier and was wondering the best way to hook it to my K3? I would like to be able to use QSK with the amp too. Just don't want to mess anything up, so thought I would ask here first. Thanks in advanced for any suggestions.. 73' John KM5PS From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Dec 31 20:05:54 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 20:05:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ERR TXGN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <876e92eb-d987-a246-4111-5fddb353504e@embarqmail.com> Jim, You do need a good 50 ohm dummy load to run the TX Gain Calibration. If it fails with K3 Utility, you can try running it band by band as indicated in the manual. After having success with the manual calibration, try running it from K3 Utility again. If you do not have a good 50 ohm dummy load that is good through 6 meters, the TX Gain Calibration will fail due to "high SWR". If your dummy load is not "up to par" borrow one from a local ham. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/31/2016 7:25 PM, James Holohan wrote: > Completed building my K3S (2.7kHz stock filter only, KP3A 100 W PA). Carried out 5 W and 50 W calibration successfully. Subsequently upgraded Software successfully. Shut down but next day noticed power out was low. Re-run Calibration but now it fails even on 5 W showing "ERR TXGN". I'd appreciate any help. > From hlyingst at yahoo.com Sat Dec 31 20:26:18 2016 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 01:26:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] I need More RX Volume on my K3, has anyone run an external audio amp? In-Reply-To: <574456726.4684636.1483225829370@mail.yahoo.com> References: <750519762.4271045.1483224390071.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <750519762.4271045.1483224390071@mail.yahoo.com> <574456726.4684636.1483225829370@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1439105202.4311230.1483233978949@mail.yahoo.com> Thank You The specs say that the SP3's are rated at 15 watts so I should be able to find a small stereo amp From: Mel Farrer To: Harry Yingst ; Elecraft Reflector Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I need More RX Volume on my K3, has anyone run an external audio amp? Yes, I have an old SS 15 watt HIFI amp I use to feed a small HIFI speaker under the desk.? Works great and I can fill the room with CLEAN audio. Mel, K6KBE From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 2:46 PM Subject: [Elecraft] I need More RX Volume on my K3, has anyone run an external audio amp? I have the K3 and a pair of SP3 speakers When I turn down the RF gain and turn on the NR (to clean up the band noise) ?I run out of Audio (too quiet) to hear the weaker signals. I was curious if anyone is running a small external amp between the K3 and the speakers to help bring up the volume? Thank you ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sat Dec 31 21:29:43 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 18:29:43 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general In-Reply-To: <7257a548-dd24-3ba7-362f-fce2f967b20a@montac.com> Message-ID: A group of about 5 of my friends and I noticed this effect at a early 1970s Grateful Dead concert at the San Francisco Cow Palace. They were testing a new sound system which came to be called "The Wall of Sound". While the music was definitely loud, very loud, we could have a normal conversation with each other, something we had never been able to do at other concerts. We concluded that the very low harmonic and IMD distortions of the sound system made it easier to decode the (undistorted) acoustic speech. This experience makes me very interested in the level of audio distortion in amateur radio audio chains. The 10% quoted for HTs is much too much for optimum copy. Copy is better if the audio chains are hifi quality for distortion. 73 Bill AE6JV On 12/31/16 at 11:51 AM, cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) wrote: >I submit that all "noise" is not equal. I'm guessing that you can hear >a radio transmission mathematically below the apparent noise level >because it is "atypical" or "organized noise" as opposed to the "noise" >in the S2 noise floor which is "disorganized". ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Hardware Management Modes: | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | If there's a mode, there's a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | failure mode. - Jerry Leichter | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From lmarion at mt.net Sat Dec 31 21:47:55 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 19:47:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s low power at first Message-ID: <27AD934B8A2944E39F4540115DEB0D96@LeroyPC> All equipment factory built/aligned K3s to KPA500 using KAT500. Had the setup about 6 months now. When first tuned up on any band SSB or CW mode, with 5 watts K3 drive, it takes a short transmission at 15 watts K3 drive for the amp to ramp up to 500 watts as read on the KPA500. It stays at that level until a frequency or band change occurs. A short transmission and it ramps up to full output power again. A CW ID is usually sufficient to ramp the power up to 500 watts. Is there a tweak that needs to be done, or should I leave well enough alone? Leroy AB7CE From k9yeq at live.com Sat Dec 31 22:01:03 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 03:01:03 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general In-Reply-To: References: <7257a548-dd24-3ba7-362f-fce2f967b20a@montac.com> Message-ID: Bill, I also experienced a very quality system at a friend's house ~ 1976 and it was amazing. A wall of speakers and beautiful volume, concert level and able to talk. Reminds me of my Dynaco A60 speakers and amp. This was the best audio at the time and I starved to save $'s to purchase this audio equipment, while stationed in Germany, from the PX. In the Signal Corp we were trained techs in audio for the passing of traffic to and fro from Korat AFB to Viet Nam and other linked stations. We learned a ton about audio and equalization and worked diligently to stay within parameters in our multiplexed signals with the best audio equipment for the military and probably anywhere. ( My experience is frozen in memory so I understand what you are writing about. ) A truly fantastic experience. Yes, I can still hear with damage done from shooting ranges, concussion grenades and 105 dB alarms at the site when parameters failed. Other than that, life now is good. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Frantz Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 8:30 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general A group of about 5 of my friends and I noticed this effect at a early 1970s Grateful Dead concert at the San Francisco Cow Palace. They were testing a new sound system which came to be called "The Wall of Sound". While the music was definitely loud, very loud, we could have a normal conversation with each other, something we had never been able to do at other concerts. We concluded that the very low harmonic and IMD distortions of the sound system made it easier to decode the (undistorted) acoustic speech. This experience makes me very interested in the level of audio distortion in amateur radio audio chains. The 10% quoted for HTs is much too much for optimum copy. Copy is better if the audio chains are hifi quality for distortion. 73 Bill AE6JV On 12/31/16 at 11:51 AM, cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) wrote: >I submit that all "noise" is not equal. I'm guessing that you can hear >a radio transmission mathematically below the apparent noise level >because it is "atypical" or "organized noise" as opposed to the "noise" >in the S2 noise floor which is "disorganized". ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Hardware Management Modes: | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | If there's a mode, there's a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | failure mode. - Jerry Leichter | Los Gatos, CA 95032 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From jrmcbee at cox.net Sat Dec 31 22:25:32 2016 From: jrmcbee at cox.net (John McBee) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 21:25:32 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Ten Tec Titain 465 hook up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78b0d190-3a6f-ad17-8e20-5455e78fca1d@cox.net> On 12/31/2016 7:04 PM, John McBee wrote: > I have just purchased an Ten Tec Titan 425 amplifier and was wondering > the best way to hook it to my K3? I would like to be able to use QSK > with the amp too. Just don't want to mess anything up, so thought I > would ask here first. > > Thanks in advanced for any suggestions.. > > > 73' > > John > > KM5PS > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jrmcbee at cox.net I have it working using non-qsk, using key out of k3 to key in on titan amp. My question still is how to hook up for qsk operation with k3? Tnx John From lmarion at mt.net Sat Dec 31 22:37:39 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 20:37:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 not the whole answer Message-ID: Full K3s KPA500 K line setup here. I have 10 acres with 5 acres of it in antenna farm. My K3s with subreceiver, used almost exclusively in diversity receive mode, which works so great, that I think if everybody was using one, 1500 watt amps would be a waste of resources. I knew that diversity receive was the way to go. All of the FAA search radar systems I worked on before I retired, use two receive channel diversity standard. When you are detecting the reflected signal off the target at 250 miles, diversity receive is the difference between not seen and full detection. Not every one is fortunate as I to have room for superior antennas. But every one has room for diversity receive with the K3s. 73 Leroy AB7CE From w8zn54 at verizon.net Sat Dec 31 23:19:19 2016 From: w8zn54 at verizon.net (w8zn54 at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 22:19:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Elecraft] Feature request/question? Message-ID: <12737846.3539984.1483244359982.JavaMail.root@vznit170128.mailsrvcs.net> From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Dec 31 23:22:09 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 20:22:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Please do a KPA1500 In-Reply-To: <1483229093044-7625281.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <003101d262f5$dd347d80$979d7880$@verizon.net> <00a301d262fc$cd212db0$67638910$@erols.com> <1483157234666-7625244.post@n2.nabble.com> <1483229093044-7625281.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Audio processing can create distortion only in the passband of the crystal filters. It may sound varying degrees of awful, but it doesn't cause splatter. You've got to overdrive an RF stage or have that stage drive a mismatched load, or drive it with AGC engaged, or stuff like that to generate splatter. 73, Jim K9YC On Sat,12/31/2016 4:04 PM, Ignacy wrote: > The IMD as measured are misleading. Take FT1000 or FT5000. Measured IMD in > class A perhaps -50db but real one with processing due to aggressive ALC of > perhaps -25 db. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Dec 31 23:31:33 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 20:31:33 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Ten Tec Titain 465 hook up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03de0ab3-ad95-0fcd-2faa-14e1d5a618d9@audiosystemsgroup.com> I've been using Titans with my K3s for years. Works great. The Titan is a nice amp. All it needs is an RCA-RCA cable from the K3 amp key out to the PTT in of the Titan. QSK works fine, but if you work a LOT of CW, it's possible to wear out the main T/R relay. No problem, they're easy to find, reasonably priced, and not difficult to change. I've done it a couple of times in ten years. It's a vacuum relay, mounted on a small board right behind the output coax connector. The stock relay is a Kilovac or Jennings; most of us use exact replacements by Gigavac. They have a special discount for hams. Schematics are on my website. Scroll down. k9yc.com/publish.htm 73, Jim K9YC On Sat,12/31/2016 5:04 PM, John McBee wrote: > I have just purchased an Ten Tec Titan 425 amplifier and was wondering > the best way to hook it to my K3? I would like to be able to use QSK > with the amp too. Just don't want to mess anything up, so thought I > would ask here first. > > Thanks in advanced for any suggestions.. > > > 73' > > John > > KM5PS > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > From kevinr at coho.net Sat Dec 31 23:35:13 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 20:35:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <694dd28a-02d6-9adf-8e46-34ba8f3e3832@coho.net> Happy New Year, Winter keeps moving the sun northward. A solar breeze is replenishing the ionosphere and making quite a racket. Hopefully the signals can overpower the noise. Any change in propagation will only be better. After a few days of thaw the chill came back along with more precipitation. Hoarfrost built up over a few hours and then fluffy snow began. Cold days make the wood split more easily. Today's wood came inside four days ago allowing me to maintain the symbiotic relationship with my wood stove. She likes dry wood much better. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0200z Monday (6 PM PST Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Dec 31 23:39:09 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 20:39:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Amplifiers in general In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1b760232-b38a-4de7-8ea3-fbd4b500f0bf@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,12/31/2016 6:29 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > We concluded that the very low harmonic and IMD distortions of the > sound system made it easier to decode the (undistorted) acoustic speech. That system was highly respected by auidio pros at the time. The primary reason it was so clean was that each instrument was feeding its own vertical line array. Loudspeaker arrays like that produce a narrow beam in the vertical plane, but are wide in the horizontal plane. It's like stacking antennas. That narrow beam greatly reduces reverberation, which is what made the sound easy to understand. Another advantage of that system was that if you were reasonably close, you could localize each instrument aurally as well as visually. That also makes the sound cleaner. And yes, the distortion was probably lower, but the other two reasons I noted are probably the most important. 73, Jim K9YC