From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon Aug 1 00:17:50 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 23:17:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux - OT In-Reply-To: References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> <8a29a0ba-d270-5242-2f71-57b6a0501bf8@roadrunner.com> <44ea5b6c-c31b-45b8-f536-afb9ae0aa6c8@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: I agree with Guy, and want to add a comment; I have had a couple strange things happen. Both turned out to be due to running a non-Windows browser. Before you cuss out Windows 10, try the user groups for clues. Save yourself some time and make Microsoft Edge your default browser. Dick, n0ce On 7/31/2016 11:10 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > After waiting 6 months I gave in to the Windows 10 nagware, and upgraded my > and my wife's Win 7 Pro machines. > > Regardless of how one might compare Windows and Linux, both our conversions > have been stable as a rock, apparently the best version of Windoze that we > have ever had. > > Running ham stuff on Win 10 is a better deal now. It was a little spooky > not being able to closely control the upgrades in Win 10, but that hasn't > made any difference thus far. > > YMMV, but have a really good reason to go to Linux. You may want to try Win > 10 before you invest all those resources (including your valuable time) in > a conversion to Linux. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Aug 1 00:38:59 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 21:38:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux - OT In-Reply-To: References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> <8a29a0ba-d270-5242-2f71-57b6a0501bf8@roadrunner.com> <44ea5b6c-c31b-45b8-f536-afb9ae0aa6c8@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <01839128-ebcc-4179-515a-c90c62421cfc@socal.rr.com> Edge is a bit lame until the new release (Tues is it?); won't take plug-ins, they say. I prefer Firefox :-) Phil W7OX On 7/31/16 9:17 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > I agree with Guy, and want to add a comment; > > I have had a couple strange things happen. Both > turned out to be due to running a non-Windows > browser. > > Before you cuss out Windows 10, try the user > groups for clues. Save yourself some time and > make Microsoft Edge your default browser. > > Dick, n0ce > > > On 7/31/2016 11:10 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: >> After waiting 6 months I gave in to the Windows >> 10 nagware, and upgraded my >> and my wife's Win 7 Pro machines. >> >> Regardless of how one might compare Windows and >> Linux, both our conversions >> have been stable as a rock, apparently the best >> version of Windoze that we >> have ever had. >> >> Running ham stuff on Win 10 is a better deal >> now. It was a little spooky >> not being able to closely control the upgrades >> in Win 10, but that hasn't >> made any difference thus far. >> >> YMMV, but have a really good reason to go to >> Linux. You may want to try Win >> 10 before you invest all those resources >> (including your valuable time) in >> a conversion to Linux. >> >> 73, Guy K2AV From RLVZ at aol.com Mon Aug 1 00:41:13 2016 From: RLVZ at aol.com (RLVZ at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 00:41:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 needed Message-ID: <1f5f1.4e9dd43a.44d02ce9@aol.com> I agree full heartedly with Greg. Please put me on the list for a KPA1500 too! 73, Dick- K9OM In a message dated 7/31/2016 7:15:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes: It's amazing how many people offer an opinion on what the market would be for an Elecraft 1500 watt amplifier. People just know it wouldn't be successful without a clue who might or might not really be interested. They're right...the QRP'ers would not be interested, for one, would be very interested. People who have amplifiers sitting on shelves collecting dust would not be interested. So who would be interested -- contesters and DX'ers. I own a KPA500 and it is very nice; the integration with the K3 makes it a pleasure to use...but I want the capability to run full legal limit. I own several full legal limit amps but would gladly get rid of one or more for an Elecraft amp. At my age and being retired, I care more about value, engineering design, and service than I do about price. There are lots of people who spend $6 - $14K on a radio...why not an amplifier? The majority of serious contesters and DX'ers own a K3. If a KPA1500 had the same features as the KPA500 then it would be compatible with the K3, remember the drive required on each band, put the K3 back at 100 watts when in standby, be upgradeable through Elecraft's utilities, have Elecraft's service commitment, would match the K-line, would be fully self-protected, and it would be made and serviced in the USA. Elecraft has already dealt with the requirements for an amp to be compatible with other rigs than the K3 so that would not be an issue with the 1500. Contesters especially would appreciate convenience with the instant band switching with no need to touch drive controls or worry about antenna selection. I'll offer my opinion that a lot of people who already own a 1500 watt amplifier would go ahead and purchase an Elecraft amplifier for all the reasons mentioned. Alphas used to be the cat's meow but the products and service they have now don't measure up to what Dick Ehrhorn used to offer. I wouldn't discourage Eric/Wayne from considering a KPA1500. I hope they do it. Put me on the list to get one if/when they do. 73, Greg-N4CC From w6jhb at me.com Mon Aug 1 00:46:44 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 21:46:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Data Connections Message-ID: Folks, I have a mid-2010 vintage K3 and more recent KX3 that I use for JT65/9, WSPR, and FLDIGI, in addition to CW. For those digital modes I run external USB sound cards - Tascam US-125M. On the K3 the Tascam connects to the K3 line in and line out and to the computer via USB. That's where the audio signals are exchanged. The K3 connects to the computer via a serial->USB device. With the digital modes, the rig control signals traverse this path. All well and good. Now, a fellow Elecrafter with a K3S wants to do digital and has asked me what he needs. I know that rig has built in sound card, so I thought he wouldn't need the external unit like I have. But, not having a K3S, I'm confused how things work. The online manual (Data Mode Connections, pg. 33) says that "You can transmit and receive data in one of three ways". None of those three ways listed refer to that built in sound card. I guess the bottom line question is: can one run a program like FLDIGI and/or WSJT-X on a K3S without the need for an external sound card, and still have those programs do full rig control like the K3 that I have? If yes, what connections are made between the radio and the computer...? Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Aug 1 00:54:07 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 21:54:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Data Connections In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Works fine. I upgraded my K3 to the new USB interface. The only change I had to make was to select the new "sound card" built into the interface in my digital radio programs. The reduction in cables behind the radio was very welcome. Basically, the new interface has a hub with a USB <--> RS232 and a USB sound card connected to it. Just select the individual components in the same maner as when they were separate USB connections to the computer. You only need one USB cable between the K3/K3S and the computer. 73 Bill AE6JV 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/31/16 at 9:46 PM, w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) wrote: >Now, a fellow Elecrafter with a K3S wants to do digital and has >asked me what he needs. I know that rig has built in sound >card, so I thought he wouldn't need the external unit like I >have. But, not having a K3S, I'm confused how things work. The >online manual (Data Mode Connections, pg. 33) says that "You >can transmit and receive data in one of three ways". None of >those three ways listed refer to that built in sound card. > >I guess the bottom line question is: can one run a program like >FLDIGI and/or WSJT-X on a K3S without the need for an external >sound card, and still have those programs do full rig control >like the K3 that I have? If yes, what connections are made >between the radio and the computer...? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | When it comes to the world | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | around us, is there any choice | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | but to explore? - Lisa Randall | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon Aug 1 01:07:01 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 00:07:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Using Linux - OT In-Reply-To: <01839128-ebcc-4179-515a-c90c62421cfc@socal.rr.com> References: <35f705b8-1d75-a30e-fc02-f5341c0be955@gmail.com> <20160731110147.GY22814@n0nb.us> <8a29a0ba-d270-5242-2f71-57b6a0501bf8@roadrunner.com> <44ea5b6c-c31b-45b8-f536-afb9ae0aa6c8@roadrunner.com> <01839128-ebcc-4179-515a-c90c62421cfc@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: That is what I was using. Dick, n0ce On 7/31/2016 11:38 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Edge is a bit lame until the new release (Tues is it?); won't take > plug-ins, they say. > > I prefer Firefox :-) > > Phil W7OX > > On 7/31/16 9:17 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: >> I agree with Guy, and want to add a comment; >> >> I have had a couple strange things happen. Both turned out to be due >> to running a non-Windows browser. >> >> Before you cuss out Windows 10, try the user groups for clues. Save >> yourself some time and make Microsoft Edge your default browser. >> >> Dick, n0ce >> >> >> On 7/31/2016 11:10 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: >>> After waiting 6 months I gave in to the Windows 10 nagware, and >>> upgraded my >>> and my wife's Win 7 Pro machines. >>> >>> Regardless of how one might compare Windows and Linux, both our >>> conversions >>> have been stable as a rock, apparently the best version of Windoze >>> that we >>> have ever had. >>> >>> Running ham stuff on Win 10 is a better deal now. It was a little >>> spooky >>> not being able to closely control the upgrades in Win 10, but that >>> hasn't >>> made any difference thus far. >>> >>> YMMV, but have a really good reason to go to Linux. You may want to >>> try Win >>> 10 before you invest all those resources (including your valuable >>> time) in >>> a conversion to Linux. >>> >>> 73, Guy K2AV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rpfjeld at outlook.com -- In this dedication of a Nation we humbly ask the blessing of God. May He protect each and every one of us. May He guide me in the days to come. (From Franklin Delano Rosevelt's inaugural address 3/4/33) From n7xy at n7xy.net Mon Aug 1 02:04:21 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 23:04:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. In-Reply-To: <000001d1eb9a$a1d692a0$e583b7e0$@biz> References: <000001d1eb9a$a1d692a0$e583b7e0$@biz> Message-ID: Although it would add to the cost, building in a 12 to 60 volt DC-DC converter would avoid compromising the performance. 73, Bob N7XY On 7/31/16 7:15 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Dan, the issue is producing more than 100 watts from a 12-volt supply without unacceptable levels of IMD. That's why Elecraft used a 60-volt power supply in the KPA500. > > If the gain restrictions are removed, Elecraft (and anyone else) could produce a 500 watt amplifier that worked from an exciter with any level of drive, even less than 1 watt. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dan Baker > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 5:31 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. > > Once the FCC removes the 15 dB gain limitation on amateur amplifiers *Petition for Rule Making* (*RM-11767* > ) Then Elecraft can build us a 12 volt version of the KPA500. That would give us the ability to run our KX?s as a very effective mobile rig. This would compliment Elecrafts theme of products much more than a legal limit amp, that really you can find anywhere. > > 73, Dan KM6CQ From jerry at molaver.org Mon Aug 1 07:35:47 2016 From: jerry at molaver.org (Jerry) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 11:35:47 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp Message-ID: I'm with Greg. Though I am only a casual DX chaser and even more casual contester I found the KPA500 just wasn't enough to suit me, but I knew that going in. I only ordered the 500 as a temporary measure to hold me until my 2K-FA came in. I certainly would have gone with a 1500w Elecraft product, if it existed. From pa3a at xs4all.nl Mon Aug 1 08:20:35 2016 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 14:20:35 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0bb8c0c2-c318-f98d-8e04-73ff746fcd14@xs4all.nl> I think that crowdfunding a KPA1500 would help to get Elecraft going again on a big amp. Crowdfunding would also give a good indication on how many KPA1500's you could sell in the market as it is today. 73 Arie PA3A From k2av.guy at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 08:30:07 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 08:30:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One of the things going here is that people would have sprung for an *ELECRAFT* KPA1500 with the same reliability, compactness etc. That is to say they would have sprung for a KPA1500 made to the Wayne/Eric Elecraft standards, reliability and price points we have all come to love. The man keeps saying he isn't gonna. How many hundred times the guy gonna have to post the same answer before the huddled masses notice he said no. There WAS just as much very positive chatter from the peanut gallery way back after that first prototype surfaced at Dayton. Even with all that encouragement the answer still turned out no. Wayne grew Elecraft right through the Great Recession. Gotta think he can call these product to market or not things on the button. If he says no there's reasons why no. If he finally says yes it will still be for his reasons and up to his standards. 73, Guy K2AV On Monday, August 1, 2016, Jerry wrote: > I'm with Greg. Though I am only a casual DX chaser and even more casual > contester I found the KPA500 just wasn't enough to suit me, but I knew that > going in. I only ordered the 500 as a temporary measure to hold me until my > 2K-FA came in. I certainly would have gone with a 1500w Elecraft product, > if it existed. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From no9e at arrl.net Mon Aug 1 09:31:56 2016 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 06:31:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1470058316240-7621008.post@n2.nabble.com> Perhaps with slight modifications KPA500 can become KPA1000 or even KPA1300 at a lower weight. Replace MRF151 with the Microsemi device and replace a toroidal PS with a switching power supply. Perhaps adjust firmware so that the amp works near saturation on CW for increased efficiency and perhaps the same heat dissipation as KPA500. Current standard bearer for amps is SPE 1.3k. 20lb , antenna tuner, 4 antenna switch plus automatic 110/220V switching. At a campsite with AC available, this is an extension for KX3 that suddenly makes KX3 competitive even with moderate antennas. From 5 lb to 25 lb and 100 times stronger. 1.3 k is not perfect. It is loud, may have some hash (2k-fa does), its CAT is limited, and relays click. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/The-1500-watt-amp-tp7620915p7621008.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jermo at carolinaheli.com Mon Aug 1 09:50:30 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 09:50:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help receive. My whole Ham life I've been told to put the money into antennas, better feedlines, and a better receiver. If you are a skilled operator then you'll make the contact if band conditions permit. Doing the math I really don't see why anyone "needs" an amp past 500-600watts. Maybe on 60/160? If a QRP /Low power station can make the contact but you can't then maybe you need to ask for help getting your station optimized a bit better. Just my view. I used to run an SB220 and loved it when I made the contact. I later came to resent Ops I heard running power just to get over the pileup. I sold the Amp and don't regret it for a minute. If I were to get another amp the math shows 500w to be the sweet spot, however, I have so much opportunity to improve feedlines and antenna it doesn't makes sense to run power at this time. Just my view. Jer From bill at wjschmidt.com Mon Aug 1 09:56:09 2016 From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt, II) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 08:56:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <66325D51-6A99-4A19-8719-EDC03920669F@elecraft.com> References: <1c588b69-d6e7-582a-ec39-be10f9bc1431@triconet.org> <66325D51-6A99-4A19-8719-EDC03920669F@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1e8001d1ebfc$80e17440$82a45cc0$@wjschmidt.com> The question of Elecraft building1500 watt amps has been settled, but there are those of us that can build pretty much whatever we want... and that includes me. I currently have a twin BLF188XR amp nearing completion on my lab bench, and my issue has always been making it look like the existing equipment... whatever that is. I would be very happy with Elecraft offering "project boxes" like they did with past lines, or connecting with the sub that does their sheet metal do get some boxes that go with the K3. That way those advanced amps could become reality and Elecraft really has no skin in the game. Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC Staunton, Illinois Owner ? Operator Villa Grand Piton ? J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com email: bill at wjschmidt.com From pincon at erols.com Mon Aug 1 10:11:25 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 10:11:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <007501d1ebfe$9ac16080$d0442180$@erols.com> We should probably carry that logic over to many facets of life: No automobile needs to go over 45 MPH or need more than 25 HP. AC and iced drinks should be outlawed. Also, the sugar content needs to be about 1/10th of what it is currently in ALL foods. Houses should be limited to 1000 Sq. Ft. 87 Octane gasoline is plenty. Jack Daniels should be limited to 70 proof. One six-pack of Bud per month. Oh wait, strike those last two. I wasn't thinking. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Moore Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 9:51 AM To: 'Guy Olinger K2AV' ; 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help receive. My whole Ham life I've been told to put the money into antennas, better feedlines, and a better receiver. If you are a skilled operator then you'll make the contact if band conditions permit. Doing the math I really don't see why anyone "needs" an amp past 500-600watts. Maybe on 60/160? If a QRP /Low power station can make the contact but you can't then maybe you need to ask for help getting your station optimized a bit better. Just my view. I used to run an SB220 and loved it when I made the contact. I later came to resent Ops I heard running power just to get over the pileup. I sold the Amp and don't regret it for a minute. If I were to get another amp the math shows 500w to be the sweet spot, however, I have so much opportunity to improve feedlines and antenna it doesn't makes sense to run power at this time. Just my view. Jer ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Aug 1 10:15:16 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 10:15:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Data Connections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes. You select the radio's audio codec as the sound device. All cat and laying/PTT functions are also available. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 1, 2016, at 12:46 AM, James Bennett wrote: > > Folks, > > I have a mid-2010 vintage K3 and more recent KX3 that I use for JT65/9, WSPR, and FLDIGI, in addition to CW. For those digital modes I run external USB sound cards - Tascam US-125M. On the K3 the Tascam connects to the K3 line in and line out and to the computer via USB. That's where the audio signals are exchanged. The K3 connects to the computer via a serial->USB device. With the digital modes, the rig control signals traverse this path. All well and good. > > Now, a fellow Elecrafter with a K3S wants to do digital and has asked me what he needs. I know that rig has built in sound card, so I thought he wouldn't need the external unit like I have. But, not having a K3S, I'm confused how things work. The online manual (Data Mode Connections, pg. 33) says that "You can transmit and receive data in one of three ways". None of those three ways listed refer to that built in sound card. > > I guess the bottom line question is: can one run a program like FLDIGI and/or WSJT-X on a K3S without the need for an external sound card, and still have those programs do full rig control like the K3 that I have? If yes, what connections are made between the radio and the computer...? > > Jim Bennett / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > > > Jim Bennett / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Aug 1 10:21:26 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 10:21:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <1e8001d1ebfc$80e17440$82a45cc0$@wjschmidt.com> References: <1c588b69-d6e7-582a-ec39-be10f9bc1431@triconet.org> <66325D51-6A99-4A19-8719-EDC03920669F@elecraft.com> <1e8001d1ebfc$80e17440$82a45cc0$@wjschmidt.com> Message-ID: Buy some of the "2D " blocks from Elecraft and have Front Panel Express to make the panels for you from your design. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 1, 2016, at 9:56 AM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II wrote: > > The question of Elecraft building1500 watt amps has been settled, but there are those of us that can build pretty much whatever we want... and that includes me. I currently have a twin BLF188XR amp nearing completion on my lab bench, and my issue has always been making it look like the existing equipment... whatever that is. I would be very happy with Elecraft offering "project boxes" like they did with past lines, or connecting with the sub that does their sheet metal do get some boxes that go with the K3. That way those advanced amps could become reality and Elecraft really has no skin in the game. > > > Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ > > Owner - Operator > Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC > Staunton, Illinois > > Owner ? Operator > Villa Grand Piton ? J68HZ > Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. > Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com > > email: bill at wjschmidt.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From lists at subich.com Mon Aug 1 10:38:37 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 10:38:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Data Connections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > All cat and laying/PTT functions are also available. *Except FSK.* 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/1/2016 10:15 AM, Nr4c wrote: > Yes. You select the radio's audio codec as the sound device. All cat and laying/PTT functions are also available. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 1 09:48:31 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 09:48:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Data Connections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a4acc81-e07e-a963-4393-48a7a8669d7c@embarqmail.com> Jim, When connecting the K3S to the computer via a USB cable, both the soundcard and the USB to serial adapter in the K3S should be recognized by the computer. Just steer the data mode software application to use the soundcard and COM port that are assigned by the computer. This is more of a computer situation than a K3S situation. Which soundcard and which COM port is assigned is highly dependent on what the computer does. If Windows, look in Device Manager to see the COM port and soundcard assignments. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/1/2016 12:46 AM, James Bennett wrote: > Folks, > > I have a mid-2010 vintage K3 and more recent KX3 that I use for JT65/9, WSPR, and FLDIGI, in addition to CW. For those digital modes I run external USB sound cards - Tascam US-125M. On the K3 the Tascam connects to the K3 line in and line out and to the computer via USB. That's where the audio signals are exchanged. The K3 connects to the computer via a serial->USB device. With the digital modes, the rig control signals traverse this path. All well and good. > > Now, a fellow Elecrafter with a K3S wants to do digital and has asked me what he needs. I know that rig has built in sound card, so I thought he wouldn't need the external unit like I have. But, not having a K3S, I'm confused how things work. The online manual (Data Mode Connections, pg. 33) says that "You can transmit and receive data in one of three ways". None of those three ways listed refer to that built in sound card. > > I guess the bottom line question is: can one run a program like FLDIGI and/or WSJT-X on a K3S without the need for an external sound card, and still have those programs do full rig control like the K3 that I have? If yes, what connections are made between the radio and the computer...? > > From tony.kaz at verizon.net Mon Aug 1 10:48:15 2016 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 10:48:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002f01d1ec03$bc63a900$352afb00$@verizon.net> I remember seeing the KPA1500 at Dayton heating up the building. I reached for my credit card but was told not taking orders. Bummer. Today I have a KPA500 and an Acom-2000A (very early one) sitting on a shelf 7' off the floor in the basement. Literally right below my feet here in the office/shack. Keeps the heat and noise downstairs. Both track the K3. So when I key the amp it is on freq and ready. I have two switches between the pair of K3's - one to select which K3 and one to select which amp. Most of the time both amps are off. I find 100 W is usually enough. But in a decent pileup I will turn on the KPA500. For DXpeditions like VK0 and FT4, especially on the low bands, I can get in and out more quickly with the Acom. For contesting the Acom stays on the entire weekend. This setup also gives me backup in case one of the amps fail. Also give me more watts on 6M. Someone mentioned about you got to hear them to work them. And I agree money should be first spent on receiving - equipment, antennas, coax, receive antennas, etc. But once you have optimized as much as you can because of land, money and other restrictions, an amp is a nice way of helping you in a pileup to work a station you can hear. And especially on the low bands going from 500 to 1500 W may make the difference from working and not working a station. I still remember the one morning I heard Zone 19 on Topband for my first and only time at my sunrise. Unfortunately I did not have the KPA500 then. Only had the Acom. But the Acom was off. While I waited for the Acom to heat up I tried calling the UA0 with 100W. He knew I was calling him but he could not pull out my full call. By the time the Acom cycled ON, the UA0 was down in the noise. Bummer. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 7:36 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp I'm with Greg. Though I am only a casual DX chaser and even more casual contester I found the KPA500 just wasn't enough to suit me, but I knew that going in. I only ordered the 500 as a temporary measure to hold me until my 2K-FA came in. I certainly would have gone with a 1500w Elecraft product, if it existed. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Mon Aug 1 12:04:57 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 09:04:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: The point is dominance. If you are the strongest signal, the DX hears you better. If you are the strongest, you hear the DX better because everyone else stands by until you make the contact and go away. I lived among the legendary California Kilowatts when I was a DXer. Letting them in and letting them chat about their vacation at that location with the DX because they could was the only way you could work the DX eventually yourself. Same as in life. Eric KE6US On 8/1/2016 6:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: > I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help receive. > My whole Ham life I've been told to put the money into antennas, better > feedlines, and a better receiver. > If you are a skilled operator then you'll make the contact if band > conditions permit. > Doing the math I really don't see why anyone "needs" an amp past > 500-600watts. Maybe on 60/160? > If a QRP /Low power station can make the contact but you can't then maybe > you need to ask for help getting your station optimized a bit better. > Just my view. > I used to run an SB220 and loved it when I made the contact. I later came to > resent Ops I heard running power just to get over the pileup. > I sold the Amp and don't regret it for a minute. If I were to get another > amp the math shows 500w to be the sweet spot, however, I have so much > opportunity to improve feedlines and antenna it doesn't makes sense to run > power at this time. > > Just my view. > Jer > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Mon Aug 1 12:36:38 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 09:36:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] EC2 Clone (Was The 1500 watt amp) In-Reply-To: References: <1c588b69-d6e7-582a-ec39-be10f9bc1431@triconet.org> <66325D51-6A99-4A19-8719-EDC03920669F@elecraft.com> <1e8001d1ebfc$80e17440$82a45cc0$@wjschmidt.com> Message-ID: If you can build whatever you want, you can easily build the enclosure. Here is an EC2 clone I built last week in about 6 hours. I made the side panels with a hacksaw, file and drill press. The front panel I cut and formed with an inexpensive 8" shear/brake. This one is branded Grizzly, but Harbor Freight has them as well. I didn't use the Elecraft 2D fasteners because I only had 2 on hand and didn't want to make a bunch of little fussy pieces. I used 4 long sections of 1/4" square aluminum stock and drilled them with the same hole pattern as the 2D fasteners. The front panel will get painted after I drill and punch it for the current project. https://flic.kr/p/KBivtc The smaller K1 enclosure is nearly the same design (slightly different top cover) so it scales down easily. It would scale up for a large amp just as easily. The cost of the EC2-clone was about $4 in materials (0.080" and 0.050" sheet and 1/4" bar stock). All can be built with a hacksaw, file and a hand drill. A bandsaw and a drill press make it more precise. A shear/brake makes it even easier. Eric KE6US On Aug 1, 2016, at 9:56 AM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II wrote: >> The question of Elecraft building1500 watt amps has been settled, but there are those of us that can build pretty much whatever we want... and that includes me. From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Aug 1 12:54:51 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 09:54:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <0D2E2D23-900B-411F-A807-22A9AA9BCA10@elecraft.com> I wrote an epic poem on this subject :) See: http://www.qsotoday.com/n6kr-poetry.html Wayne N6KR On Aug 1, 2016, at 9:04 AM, EricJ wrote: > The point is dominance. If you are the strongest signal, the DX hears you better. If you are the strongest, you hear the DX better because everyone else stands by until you make the contact and go away. I lived among the legendary California Kilowatts when I was a DXer. Letting them in and letting them chat about their vacation at that location with the DX because they could was the only way you could work the DX eventually yourself. Same as in life. > > Eric KE6US > > > On 8/1/2016 6:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: >> I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help receive. >> My whole Ham life I've been told to put the money into antennas, better >> feedlines, and a better receiver. >> If you are a skilled operator then you'll make the contact if band >> conditions permit. >> Doing the math I really don't see why anyone "needs" an amp past >> 500-600watts. Maybe on 60/160? >> If a QRP /Low power station can make the contact but you can't then maybe >> you need to ask for help getting your station optimized a bit better. >> Just my view. >> I used to run an SB220 and loved it when I made the contact. I later came to >> resent Ops I heard running power just to get over the pileup. >> I sold the Amp and don't regret it for a minute. If I were to get another >> amp the math shows 500w to be the sweet spot, however, I have so much >> opportunity to improve feedlines and antenna it doesn't makes sense to run >> power at this time. >> >> Just my view. >> Jer >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Aug 1 12:55:52 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 09:55:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <0bb8c0c2-c318-f98d-8e04-73ff746fcd14@xs4all.nl> References: <0bb8c0c2-c318-f98d-8e04-73ff746fcd14@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead. Wayne N6KR On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: > I think that crowdfunding a KPA1500 would help to get Elecraft going again on a big amp. > Crowdfunding would also give a good indication on how many KPA1500's you could sell in the market as it is today. > > 73 > Arie PA3A > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From bill.ke5og at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 13:02:36 2016 From: bill.ke5og at gmail.com (Bill Brooks) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 12:02:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <0D2E2D23-900B-411F-A807-22A9AA9BCA10@elecraft.com> References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> <0D2E2D23-900B-411F-A807-22A9AA9BCA10@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Very nice, Wayne. On Monday, August 1, 2016, Wayne Burdick wrote: > I wrote an epic poem on this subject :) See: > > http://www.qsotoday.com/n6kr-poetry.html > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Aug 1, 2016, at 9:04 AM, EricJ > > wrote: > > > The point is dominance. If you are the strongest signal, the DX hears > you better. If you are the strongest, you hear the DX better because > everyone else stands by until you make the contact and go away. I lived > among the legendary California Kilowatts when I was a DXer. Letting them in > and letting them chat about their vacation at that location with the DX > because they could was the only way you could work the DX eventually > yourself. Same as in life. > > > > Eric KE6US > > > > > > On 8/1/2016 6:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: > >> I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help > receive. > >> My whole Ham life I've been told to put the money into antennas, better > >> feedlines, and a better receiver. > >> If you are a skilled operator then you'll make the contact if band > >> conditions permit. > >> Doing the math I really don't see why anyone "needs" an amp past > >> 500-600watts. Maybe on 60/160? > >> If a QRP /Low power station can make the contact but you can't then > maybe > >> you need to ask for help getting your station optimized a bit better. > >> Just my view. > >> I used to run an SB220 and loved it when I made the contact. I later > came to > >> resent Ops I heard running power just to get over the pileup. > >> I sold the Amp and don't regret it for a minute. If I were to get > another > >> amp the math shows 500w to be the sweet spot, however, I have so much > >> opportunity to improve feedlines and antenna it doesn't makes sense to > run > >> power at this time. > >> > >> Just my view. > >> Jer > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > >> > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bill.ke5og at gmail.com > -- Bill Brooks 432-244-8863 From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Aug 1 13:02:55 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 10:02:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <13b4ff0b-02a6-4587-2cc7-4f04957ab19b@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,8/1/2016 6:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: > If a QRP /Low power station can make the contact but you can't then maybe > you need to ask for help getting your station optimized a bit better. I don't buy this logic. I've optimized my station and have an antenna farm most hams would die for. I've got 320 countries confirmed with unlimited power, running 1.5kW to work the ones over difficult paths. Since I'm not competitive in DX contests from W6, I often work them QRP. I have about 160 countries confirmed running 5W. Others have said it quite well -- the primary reason for running high power is receive noise at the station you're trying to work. If the other guy's noise is S9, you're unlikely to work him QRP, no matter how much you have optimized your station. Likewise, if your antenna is a low dipole or a wire strung into a tree, you're starting with at least one hand tied behind you. No use tying the second hand with low power. 73, Jim K9YC From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net Mon Aug 1 13:08:50 2016 From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net ('DGB') Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 12:08:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: <0bb8c0c2-c318-f98d-8e04-73ff746fcd14@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: PSE - start it! ;-) 73 de NS9I On 8/1/2016 11:55 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: > >> I think that crowdfunding a KPA1500 would help to get Elecraft going again on a big amp. >> Crowdfunding would also give a good indication on how many KPA1500's you could sell in the market as it is today. >> >> 73 >> Arie PA3A >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ns9i2016 at bayland.net > > From jc_ki7y at q.com Mon Aug 1 13:12:15 2016 From: jc_ki7y at q.com (James Cassidy) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 10:12:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <13b4ff0b-02a6-4587-2cc7-4f04957ab19b@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Mon Aug 1 13:13:24 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 10:13:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been in way too many situations where my customers said "you need to offer this." I spent time and money making "this" available, and turned to the customers and said "here it is, it costs this much." Silence. Just sayin' -- Lynn P.S. I'm happy at 12 watts. On 8/1/2016 5:30 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > There WAS just as much very positive > chatter from the peanut gallery way back after that first prototype > surfaced at Dayton. Even with all that encouragement the answer still > turned out no. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Aug 1 13:20:12 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 10:20:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <1076e5e7-6fdb-6d0e-5e4b-252f94fb4fa6@socal.rr.com> Hmm .. another solution would be to reduce max power to 500 W and enforce it ;-) Phil W7OX On 8/1/16 9:04 AM, EricJ wrote: > The point is dominance. If you are the strongest > signal, the DX hears you better. If you are the > strongest, you hear the DX better because > everyone else stands by until you make the > contact and go away. I lived among the legendary > California Kilowatts when I was a DXer. Letting > them in and letting them chat about their > vacation at that location with the DX because > they could was the only way you could work the > DX eventually yourself. Same as in life. > > Eric KE6US > > > On 8/1/2016 6:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: >> I don't see the point of having a large power >> amp. It doesn't help receive. >> My whole Ham life I've been told to put the >> money into antennas, better >> feedlines, and a better receiver. >> If you are a skilled operator then you'll make >> the contact if band >> conditions permit. >> Doing the math I really don't see why anyone >> "needs" an amp past >> 500-600watts. Maybe on 60/160? >> If a QRP /Low power station can make the >> contact but you can't then maybe >> you need to ask for help getting your station >> optimized a bit better. >> Just my view. >> I used to run an SB220 and loved it when I made >> the contact. I later came to >> resent Ops I heard running power just to get >> over the pileup. >> I sold the Amp and don't regret it for a >> minute. If I were to get another >> amp the math shows 500w to be the sweet spot, >> however, I have so much >> opportunity to improve feedlines and antenna it >> doesn't makes sense to run >> power at this time. >> >> Just my view. >> Jer From jermo at carolinaheli.com Mon Aug 1 13:32:47 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 13:32:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <1076e5e7-6fdb-6d0e-5e4b-252f94fb4fa6@socal.rr.com> References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> <1076e5e7-6fdb-6d0e-5e4b-252f94fb4fa6@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <00cd01d1ec1a$b90bacf0$2b2306d0$@carolinaheli.com> +1 Too many alligators imho. On the weak path contacts. Sure, how often does that happen? -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Wheeler Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 1:20 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp Hmm .. another solution would be to reduce max power to 500 W and enforce it ;-) Phil W7OX On 8/1/16 9:04 AM, EricJ wrote: > The point is dominance. If you are the strongest signal, the DX hears > you better. If you are the strongest, you hear the DX better because > everyone else stands by until you make the contact and go away. I > lived among the legendary California Kilowatts when I was a DXer. > Letting them in and letting them chat about their vacation at that > location with the DX because they could was the only way you could > work the DX eventually yourself. Same as in life. > > Eric KE6US > > > On 8/1/2016 6:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: >> I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help >> receive. >> My whole Ham life I've been told to put the money into antennas, >> better feedlines, and a better receiver. >> If you are a skilled operator then you'll make the contact if band >> conditions permit. >> Doing the math I really don't see why anyone "needs" an amp past >> 500-600watts. Maybe on 60/160? >> If a QRP /Low power station can make the contact but you can't then >> maybe you need to ask for help getting your station optimized a bit >> better. >> Just my view. >> I used to run an SB220 and loved it when I made the contact. I later >> came to resent Ops I heard running power just to get over the pileup. >> I sold the Amp and don't regret it for a minute. If I were to get >> another amp the math shows 500w to be the sweet spot, however, I have >> so much opportunity to improve feedlines and antenna it doesn't makes >> sense to run power at this time. >> >> Just my view. >> Jer ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Aug 1 13:35:54 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 10:35:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Zombie Amplifier? (was Re: KPA-1500 needed) In-Reply-To: <1f5f1.4e9dd43a.44d02ce9@aol.com> References: <1f5f1.4e9dd43a.44d02ce9@aol.com> Message-ID: It's baaack? I thought both Wayne and Eric dispatched this black lagoon creature a couple of years ago. I know a prototype [or mock-up?] was shown at Dayton earlier, but when W&E both disclaim it later, I tend to believe them. The list has been full of late with subjects that don't interest me and I exercise the Del key rapidly, did I miss news of its reincarnation? 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 7/31/2016 9:41 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote: > I agree full heartedly with Greg. Please put me on the list for a KPA1500 > too! > > 73, > Dick- K9OM From bo.andersson at ingbo.se Mon Aug 1 13:36:08 2016 From: bo.andersson at ingbo.se (Bo Andersson) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 19:36:08 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 don't communicate with KPA100/KAT100(in same EC2) Message-ID: <20160801173612.E2E107219B8@smtp02.citynetwork.se> My K2 and KPA100/KAT100 have served me for over 10 years now without any problem! After that I made the frequency calibration of K2 I made a mistake when I put contact from KIO2 and KAT2 to Control board. I put the Contact one unit up, pin 3 from KIO2/KAT2 come on pin1 on P4. When I put all together and test, KPA100/KAT100 (both in same EC2) don?t respond. Using Ant ? I got answer ?PA ANT 1? also when I use menuitem ?ATU? I got the same answer ?PA ANT 1? I hear a relay click in KPA100 when I switch on the radio. Testing single K2/KIO2/KAT2 all work well. Testing K2/KPA100 got 20 W with 1 ? 10 W on powerbutton and full power on over 10 W. Can?t change power with the powerbutton. Perhaps U6 on Control Board is out of order! I measure all pin and got som differens against value in the manual. Pin My U6 U6 6 0.0 4.7 10 0.0 5.0 13 0.7 2.3 18 5.0 0.0 25 5.0 0.0 33 0.08 5.0 36 4.6 0.8 39 1.02 0.2 Hope I manage to explain the problem! 73 de SM6FPG /Bo From bo.andersson at ingbo.se Mon Aug 1 13:42:45 2016 From: bo.andersson at ingbo.se (Bo Andersson) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 19:42:45 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [ELECRAFT] K2 don't communicate with KPA100/KAT100(in same EC2) Message-ID: <20160801174248.142D68018CD@smtp05.citynetwork.se> My K2 and KPA100/KAT100 have served me for over 10 years now without any problem! ? After that I made the frequency calibration of K2 I made a mistake when I put contact from KIO2 and KAT2 to Control board. I put the Contact one unit up, pin 3 from KIO2/KAT2 come on pin1 on P4. ? When I put all together and test, KPA100/KAT100 (both in same EC2) don?t respond. ? Using Ant ? I got answer ?PA ANT 1? also when I use menuitem ?ATU? I got the same answer ?PA ANT 1? I hear a relay click in KPA100 when I switch on the radio. ? Testing single K2/KIO2/KAT2 all work well. ? Testing K2/KPA100 got 20 W with 1 ? 10 W on powerbutton and full power on over 10 W. Can?t change power with the powerbutton. ? Perhaps U6 on Control Board is out of order! I measure all pin and got som differens against value in the manual. ? Pin???????????????? My U6????????? U6 ? ? 6????????????????? 0.0???????????????? 4.7 10????????????????? 0.0???????????????? 5.0 13????????????????? 0.7???????????????? 2.3 18????????????????? 5.0???????????????? 0.0 25????????????????? 5.0???????????????? 0.0 33????????????????? 0.08?????????????? 5.0 36????????????????? 4.6???????????????? 0.8 39????????????????? 1.02?????????????? 0.2 ? Hope I manage to explain the problem! 73 Bo/SM6FPG From w7aqk at cox.net Mon Aug 1 13:42:10 2016 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 10:42:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Higher Power than KPA500 Message-ID: <209D296AAC534CDAA94C7D2E3AC9FCCE@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> Greetings all, This ongoing urging of Elecraft to build a 1.5 KW amp is, at times, sort of interesting, but often it is a bit tiresome, if not non-productive. Most of us have no clue as to the problems involved in producing something like that. I don't think there is much doubt that Elecraft has the ability to create something like that, but is it worth it? I suspect there is little appreciation out there for the headaches (and risks?) that go with it. Many of the pros and cons of a bigger amp have been mentioned, but I am sure there are a lot more. Also, although many express certainty about the existence of a "market" for a larger amp, I am not convinced that a handful, or even several handfuls, of those comments here are all that substantive or convincing. They certainly do not represent a well constructed "market survey". More importantly, they probably ignore the dozens of problems associated with such a project. Besides, if it doesn't fit their business plan right now, then that's their call! Elecraft did have a prototype high power amplifier several years ago--I saw it! What that tells me is that Elecraft has already looked into this, at least to some extent. Thus, I think we should give them credit for what they already know about such a project, and just let them come back to that, if they ever do, at their own pace. Elecraft is a well run company, but not a particularly large one. I suspect they are averse to taking big risks, so we should respect that. It is much to our advantage that Elecraft keeps putting out "winners". Putting out "losers" will probably only divert their attention, which is to our detriment. I strongly suspect that the earlier "look see" at a high power amplifier may have been Eric's idea. I also strongly suspect he may have been the one that "killed" the idea. Not that Wayne isn't good at this sort of thing, but I think Eric is particularly good at it, and that this is a big part of his job description. Anyway, suggestions from us are probably often helpful additions to their idea pool, but I doubt that "badgering" them is very helpful at all. Look at how many times they have had to squelch the comments! Dave W7AQK From fred at fmeco.com Mon Aug 1 13:47:29 2016 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 13:47:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: I'm with you Jer.. I always wonder that some of you guys "cost/QSO" is.. it only a hobby, not a masculinity contest.. Many times I see a 10K station and ask how often they operate.. many times the answer is I turn on at least once per month to make sure it work.. Fred On 8/1/16 9:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: > I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help receive. > My whole Ham life I've been told to put the money into antennas, better > feedlines, and a better receiver. > If you are a skilled operator then you'll make the contact if band > conditions permit. > Doing the math I really don't see why anyone "needs" an amp past > 500-600watts. Maybe on 60/160? > If a QRP /Low power station can make the contact but you can't then maybe > you need to ask for help getting your station optimized a bit better. > Just my view. > I used to run an SB220 and loved it when I made the contact. I later came to > resent Ops I heard running power just to get over the pileup. > I sold the Amp and don't regret it for a minute. If I were to get another > amp the math shows 500w to be the sweet spot, however, I have so much > opportunity to improve feedlines and antenna it doesn't makes sense to run > power at this time. > > Just my view. > Jer > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fred at fmeco.com > -- Fred Moore email: fred at fmeco.com fred at safes.com phone: 321-217-8699 From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 14:02:56 2016 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 14:02:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: Jer & Fred, You're right from a certain point of view. But also consider more generally that it's about link budget; maximize gains, minimize losses. How much of each a ham can do comes down to money & motivation within lifestyle (& FCC!) constraints. 73, Mike ab3ap On 08/01/2016 01:47 PM, Fred Moore wrote: > I'm with you Jer.. > > I always wonder that some of you guys "cost/QSO" is.. it only a hobby, > [...] > > Fred > > > On 8/1/16 9:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: >> I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help receive. >> [...] >> >> Just my view. >> Jer From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 14:09:10 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 12:09:10 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: <0bb8c0c2-c318-f98d-8e04-73ff746fcd14@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: I have no interest in a 1500W amp ... even one made by Elecraft. 73 K0PP From w6jhb at me.com Mon Aug 1 14:23:27 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 11:23:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? In-Reply-To: References: <0bb8c0c2-c318-f98d-8e04-73ff746fcd14@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Wayne, if it turns out to be a survey, put me down for a NO vote. I run my station in a HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas. I?m surprised they don?t vaporize as it is with the 500 watts or so coming out of my KPA500 - on the rare occasions when I do run QRO! Jim / W6JHB (p.s. - and another reason for a no vote is that I?d be talking in a much higher tone if I told my XYL (KF6ZNT) if I was gonna buy a big buck amp!) > On Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at Monday, 9:55 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: > >> I think that crowdfunding a KPA1500 would help to get Elecraft going again on a big amp. >> Crowdfunding would also give a good indication on how many KPA1500's you could sell in the market as it is today. >> >> 73 >> Arie PA3A >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Aug 1 14:46:41 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 11:46:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? In-Reply-To: References: <0bb8c0c2-c318-f98d-8e04-73ff746fcd14@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3926f9e7-1b17-d73e-3eb8-9b346cf97b7d@socal.rr.com> Another strong NO. Phil W7OX On 8/1/16 11:23 AM, James Bennett wrote: > Wayne, if it turns out to be a survey, put me down for a NO vote. I run my station in a HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas. I?m surprised they don?t vaporize as it is with the 500 watts or so coming out of my KPA500 - on the rare occasions when I do run QRO! > > Jim / W6JHB > > (p.s. - and another reason for a no vote is that I?d be talking in a much higher tone if I told my XYL (KF6ZNT) if I was gonna buy a big buck amp!) > > > >> On Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at Monday, 9:55 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: >> >>> I think that crowdfunding a KPA1500 would help to get Elecraft going again on a big amp. >>> Crowdfunding would also give a good indication on how many KPA1500's you could sell in the market as it is today. >>> >>> 73 >>> Arie PA3A >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com From ka2rvo at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 15:05:16 2016 From: ka2rvo at gmail.com (James Austin) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 14:05:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? In-Reply-To: <3926f9e7-1b17-d73e-3eb8-9b346cf97b7d@socal.rr.com> References: <0bb8c0c2-c318-f98d-8e04-73ff746fcd14@xs4all.nl> <3926f9e7-1b17-d73e-3eb8-9b346cf97b7d@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: No for me, thinking about a KXPA100 in the near future, but that will be plenty for my needs. Jim KA2RVO On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Another strong NO. > > Phil W7OX > > On 8/1/16 11:23 AM, James Bennett wrote: > >> Wayne, if it turns out to be a survey, put me down for a NO vote. I run >> my station in a HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas. >> I?m surprised they don?t vaporize as it is with the 500 watts or so coming >> out of my KPA500 - on the rare occasions when I do run QRO! >> >> Jim / W6JHB >> >> (p.s. - and another reason for a no vote is that I?d be talking in a much >> higher tone if I told my XYL (KF6ZNT) if I was gonna buy a big buck amp!) >> >> >> >> On Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at Monday, 9:55 AM, Wayne Burdick < >>> n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote: >>> >>> This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead. >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>> On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: >>> >>> I think that crowdfunding a KPA1500 would help to get Elecraft going >>>> again on a big amp. >>>> Crowdfunding would also give a good indication on how many KPA1500's >>>> you could sell in the market as it is today. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> Arie PA3A >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ka2rvo at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 1 15:05:34 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 15:05:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [ELECRAFT] K2 don't communicate with KPA100/KAT100(in same EC2) In-Reply-To: <20160801174248.142D68018CD@smtp05.citynetwork.se> References: <20160801174248.142D68018CD@smtp05.citynetwork.se> Message-ID: <545fe7a9-4602-644a-87b6-707e0e675a28@embarqmail.com> Bo, Since the base K2 works properly with the KAT2, I doubt you have a problem with Control Board U6. Make sure you do have power control with the base K2 and KAT2 in place - set the power for 5 watts and connect an external wattmeter to see what the actual power may be - you should measure close to 5 watts. Check the KIO2. The inductor L1 on the AUX2 board and inductors L2, L3 and L4 on the KIO2 board should show continuity - if not replace them. Your pin misalignment would have placed 12 volts onto the VRFDET line to the KPA100 - if your luck runs good the KIO2 inductors may have acted as a fuse, but it is possible that KPA100 U6 could have been damaged. It may be informative to remove the QRP top cover and connect the KPA100 (removed from the EC2 enclosure) directly to the base K2 to check its operation and ability to control power in the above 11 watt range. If you do not have good power control with the KPA100 connected directly to the base K2, replace KPA100 U6 and check again. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/1/2016 1:42 PM, Bo Andersson wrote: > My K2 and KPA100/KAT100 have served me for over 10 years now without any problem! > > After that I made the frequency calibration of K2 I made a mistake when I put contact from KIO2 and KAT2 to Control board. I put the Contact one unit up, pin 3 from KIO2/KAT2 come on pin1 on P4. > > When I put all together and test, KPA100/KAT100 (both in same EC2) don?t respond. > > Using Ant ? I got answer ?PA ANT 1? also when I use menuitem ?ATU? I got the same answer ?PA ANT 1? > I hear a relay click in KPA100 when I switch on the radio. > > Testing single K2/KIO2/KAT2 all work well. > > Testing K2/KPA100 got 20 W with 1 ? 10 W on powerbutton and full power on over 10 W. > Can?t change power with the powerbutton. > > Perhaps U6 on Control Board is out of order! I measure all pin and got som differens against value in the manual. > > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Mon Aug 1 15:07:31 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 15:07:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? In-Reply-To: <3926f9e7-1b17-d73e-3eb8-9b346cf97b7d@socal.rr.com> References: <3926f9e7-1b17-d73e-3eb8-9b346cf97b7d@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <35332eb0-f592-88ea-5a25-fc942012796e@nycap.rr.com> A 500 Watt station suits my needs well. I will not be purchasing a larger amplifier. Bill W2BLC K-Line From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Mon Aug 1 15:21:56 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 12:21:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? In-Reply-To: <35332eb0-f592-88ea-5a25-fc942012796e@nycap.rr.com> References: <3926f9e7-1b17-d73e-3eb8-9b346cf97b7d@socal.rr.com> <35332eb0-f592-88ea-5a25-fc942012796e@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: I'll just throw this out there What ever happened to the Ham Spirit of rolling your own? With the new MOSFETS devices out, it is not that expensive (nor difficult) to "roll your own" Here's what I did for 6 & 2 meters: http://ah6le.net/index.php/vhf-solid-state-kilowatts Ken ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com Mon Aug 1 15:23:33 2016 From: joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com (Jessie Oberreuter) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 12:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Tilt Stand ??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try LapWorks Laptop Legs. The grey ones are a perfect match. Alas, availability seems to be falling, and prices appear to be rapidly climbing -- I'm guessing they aren't being made anymore... - kb7psg On Sun, 31 Jul 2016, Doug Hensley wrote: > Does anyone make a simple flip down bail (wire stand support) for the K1 > > as is available for the K2 ? > > > I'm continually tilting the K1 back using a book or similar to position the > > front panel for easier viewing. 1.25 to 1.5" tilt should work. > > > TIA, > > > Doug W5JV > > K1 007xx > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com > From n4cc at windstream.net Mon Aug 1 15:23:10 2016 From: n4cc at windstream.net (Greg) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 13:23:10 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 148, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201d1ec2a$25e4fac0$71aef040$@net> Do you know how many times GM management said no to a mid-engine Corvette? Guess what! 2018 promises a mid-engine Corvette. Management is entitled to change its mind. If all the feedback is "I don't see the need....I can buy the same thing elsewhere...500 watts is enough...blah blah blah", then management doesn't hear from your so-called "huddled masses" who ARE saying, "Yeah, I wish they would do that..." You don't need to answer for Wayne and Eric with "how many hundred times the guy gonna have to post the same answer" comment. Their answer may be the same, but they can always change their mind. 73, Greg-N4CC Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 08:30:07 -0400 From: Guy Olinger K2AV To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 One of the things going here is that people would have sprung for an *ELECRAFT* KPA1500 with the same reliability, compactness etc. That is to say they would have sprung for a KPA1500 made to the Wayne/Eric Elecraft standards, reliability and price points we have all come to love. The man keeps saying he isn't gonna. How many hundred times the guy gonna have to post the same answer before the huddled masses notice he said no. There WAS just as much very positive chatter from the peanut gallery way back after that first prototype surfaced at Dayton. Even with all that encouragement the answer still turned out no. Wayne grew Elecraft right through the Great Recession. Gotta think he can call these product to market or not things on the button. If he says no there's reasons why no. If he finally says yes it will still be for his reasons and up to his standards. 73, Guy K2AV From yo3irm at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 15:41:38 2016 From: yo3irm at gmail.com (Dan M - yo3irm) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 22:41:38 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 utility - power on/off Message-ID: Hello, is there any possibility to power-on/off KXPA100 using the utility program ? I have a remote location where KXPA 100 will be installed and the only option I can see is to leave the power button ON and just switch the power supply on/off via a remote controlled outlet. Thank you ! 73, Dan From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Mon Aug 1 15:56:51 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 12:56:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <0D2E2D23-900B-411F-A807-22A9AA9BCA10@elecraft.com> References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> <0D2E2D23-900B-411F-A807-22A9AA9BCA10@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Ha ha. Yeah. Like I said, same as in life. Eric KE6US On 8/1/2016 9:54 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > I wrote an epic poem on this subject :) See: > > http://www.qsotoday.com/n6kr-poetry.html > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Aug 1, 2016, at 9:04 AM, EricJ wrote: > >> The point is dominance. If you are the strongest signal, the DX hears you better. If you are the strongest, you hear the DX better because everyone else stands by until you make the contact and go away. I lived among the legendary California Kilowatts when I was a DXer. Letting them in and letting them chat about their vacation at that location with the DX because they could was the only way you could work the DX eventually yourself. Same as in life. >> >> Eric KE6US >> >> >> On 8/1/2016 6:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: >>> I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help receive. >>> My whole Ham life I've been told to put the money into antennas, better >>> feedlines, and a better receiver. >>> If you are a skilled operator then you'll make the contact if band >>> conditions permit. >>> Doing the math I really don't see why anyone "needs" an amp past >>> 500-600watts. Maybe on 60/160? >>> If a QRP /Low power station can make the contact but you can't then maybe >>> you need to ask for help getting your station optimized a bit better. >>> Just my view. >>> I used to run an SB220 and loved it when I made the contact. I later came to >>> resent Ops I heard running power just to get over the pileup. >>> I sold the Amp and don't regret it for a minute. If I were to get another >>> amp the math shows 500w to be the sweet spot, however, I have so much >>> opportunity to improve feedlines and antenna it doesn't makes sense to run >>> power at this time. >>> >>> Just my view. >>> Jer >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > From jmoodysr at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 16:07:44 2016 From: jmoodysr at gmail.com (Jon Moody) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 13:07:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp Message-ID: Wow Wayne... who knew you had so much in you. The world is a better place with you in it. You should run for President. No, nice people don't deserve that much punishment. -- 73 Jon KG6VDW From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk Mon Aug 1 16:08:50 2016 From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham Kimbell) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 21:08:50 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <579FAC52.20406@g3tct.co.uk> Watching this from afar, I notice the irony - US has 1500W limit but not enough (120v) mains power to use it, whilst the UK has loads of mains power (240v at 13A) but only a 400W limit. Graham > The KPA500 can be run from any decent 120VAC mains outlet as long as there aren't too many other loads on it. But going above that power level forces the Ham to have 240 VAC in the shack, something many of us do not normally plan for. That can be a very expensive addition to the cost of the amp, especially if the mains panel is not expandable as needed. > > From n7xy at n7xy.net Mon Aug 1 16:11:39 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 13:11:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Computer interface for KX2? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d3b1366-7f03-c7ee-d213-ad36edc0099e@n7xy.net> I haven't tried it yet, but was thinking of using this . Bob, N7XY On 8/1/16 12:58 PM, demiansims at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: > > Hi All, > > > I'm about to be the proud owner of a KX2 after using a KX3, KX1 and K2 > for many years (all sold). I've always used Signalink for an interface > but was wondering if there's something even smaller/simple than the > Signalink. Not that the SL is complicated but looking for a smaller > interface. I've also had problems with the SL and shielding in the past. > > > Thanks, > > D > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Posted by: demiansims at gmail.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Reply via web post > > ? Reply to sender > > ? Reply to group > > ? Start a New Topic > > ? Messages in this topic > > (1) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Save time and get your email on the go with the Yahoo Mail app > > Get the beautifully designed, lighting fast, and easy-to-use Yahoo > Mail today. Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL > and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of > free cloud storage. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit Your Group > > > > * New Members > > 20 > > Yahoo! Groups > > > ? Privacy > ? > Unsubscribe > ? Terms > of Use > . > __,_._,___ From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 16:12:43 2016 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 22:12:43 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> <0D2E2D23-900B-411F-A807-22A9AA9BCA10@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Why hasn't this thread been terminated? It's getting boring now. Much more interesting threads are quickly closed. There is no 1500W Amp guys. 73 F5VJC On 1 August 2016 at 21:56, EricJ wrote: > Ha ha. Yeah. Like I said, same as in life. > > Eric KE6US > > > > On 8/1/2016 9:54 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> I wrote an epic poem on this subject :) See: >> >> http://www.qsotoday.com/n6kr-poetry.html >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> On Aug 1, 2016, at 9:04 AM, EricJ wrote: >> >> The point is dominance. If you are the strongest signal, the DX hears you >>> better. If you are the strongest, you hear the DX better because everyone >>> else stands by until you make the contact and go away. I lived among the >>> legendary California Kilowatts when I was a DXer. Letting them in and >>> letting them chat about their vacation at that location with the DX because >>> they could was the only way you could work the DX eventually yourself. Same >>> as in life. >>> >>> Eric KE6US >>> >>> >>> On 8/1/2016 6:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: >>> >>>> I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help >>>> receive. >>>> My whole Ham life I've been told to put the money into antennas, better >>>> feedlines, and a better receiver. >>>> If you are a skilled operator then you'll make the contact if band >>>> conditions permit. >>>> Doing the math I really don't see why anyone "needs" an amp past >>>> 500-600watts. Maybe on 60/160? >>>> If a QRP /Low power station can make the contact but you can't then >>>> maybe >>>> you need to ask for help getting your station optimized a bit better. >>>> Just my view. >>>> I used to run an SB220 and loved it when I made the contact. I later >>>> came to >>>> resent Ops I heard running power just to get over the pileup. >>>> I sold the Amp and don't regret it for a minute. If I were to get >>>> another >>>> amp the math shows 500w to be the sweet spot, however, I have so much >>>> opportunity to improve feedlines and antenna it doesn't makes sense to >>>> run >>>> power at this time. >>>> >>>> Just my view. >>>> Jer >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >>> >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com > From eric.csuf at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 16:13:23 2016 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 13:13:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? In-Reply-To: <20160801192231.A28A5149B51A@mailman.qth.net> References: <3926f9e7-1b17-d73e-3eb8-9b346cf97b7d@socal.rr.com> <35332eb0-f592-88ea-5a25-fc942012796e@nycap.rr.com> <20160801192231.A28A5149B51A@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <8d87a2fc-7db1-4729-17f0-4b2fea3837bb@gmail.com> Nice work, Ken. On the amps and the cars. I was wondering the same thing about "rolling your own". I suggested that doctor who said he could build pretty much what he wanted could build the enclosure. He owns an electronic lab which builds his stuff and farms the enclosures out to another professional. Not sure subcontracting is the Ham Spirit, but we're all in this hobby for different reasons. Eric KE6US On 8/1/2016 12:21 PM, Ken Arck wrote: > I'll just throw this out there > > What ever happened to the Ham Spirit of rolling your own? With the new > MOSFETS devices out, it is not that expensive (nor difficult) to "roll > your own" > > Here's what I did for 6 & 2 meters: > > http://ah6le.net/index.php/vhf-solid-state-kilowatts > > Ken > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > President and CTO - Arcom Communications > Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. > http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ > Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and > we offer complete repeater packages! > AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 > http://www.irlp.net > "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From demiansims at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 16:14:05 2016 From: demiansims at gmail.com (Demian Sims) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 16:14:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Computer interface for KX2? In-Reply-To: <8d3b1366-7f03-c7ee-d213-ad36edc0099e@n7xy.net> References: <8d3b1366-7f03-c7ee-d213-ad36edc0099e@n7xy.net> Message-ID: Oh wow Bob, that looks great. > On Aug 1, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Bob Nielsen wrote: > > I haven't tried it yet, but was thinking of using this . > > Bob, N7XY > > On 8/1/16 12:58 PM, demiansims at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I'm about to be the proud owner of a KX2 after using a KX3, KX1 and K2 for many years (all sold). I've always used Signalink for an interface but was wondering if there's something even smaller/simple than the Signalink. Not that the SL is complicated but looking for a smaller interface. I've also had problems with the SL and shielding in the past. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> D >> >> __._,_.___ >> Posted by: demiansims at gmail.com >> Reply via web post ? Reply to sender? ? Reply to group? ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) >> Save time and get your email on the go with the Yahoo Mail app >> Get the beautifully designed, lighting fast, and easy-to-use Yahoo Mail today. Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. >> ? >> VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 20 >> ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use >> . >> >> __,_._,___ > From jermo at carolinaheli.com Mon Aug 1 16:13:40 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry More) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 16:13:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <0MKrvq-1bUJao1Jui-000AIj@mrelay.perfora.net> We just differ in opinion and I?m happy for everyone to enjoy the hobby as they are able. The issues I see is where the Amateur code is broken. Just listen on DX pileups sometime and you?ll hear guys that really make us look bad as a community. About the only time I can imagine someone needing power is perhaps a DX station but that?s IF they can actually hear. Doing the math I am probably missing something because I don?t see much of a gain from 500w to 1.5kw into the same antenna system. >From memory 500w to 1k is 3db and 1k to 1.5kw is 1.5 db, so 500w to 1.5kw is 4.5db 6db is 1 S unit (from memory) so running a 1.5kw amp gives just less than 1 S unit. Now start factoring up the DB gain/loss for antennas/feedline. Which gives the best bang for the buck?? Maybe I?m just slow. Seems to me a nice, instant on 500w solid state with quality low loss feed line into a matched antenna should rock and roll. This thread should probably die. Enjoy the hobby as you wish. Just know any station who worked em with less power just owned you regardless of your budget ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Markowski Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 2:03 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp Jer & Fred, You're right from a certain point of view. But also consider more generally that it's about link budget; maximize gains, minimize losses. How much of each a ham can do comes down to money & motivation within lifestyle (& FCC!) constraints. 73, Mike ab3ap On 08/01/2016 01:47 PM, Fred Moore wrote: > I'm with you Jer.. > > I always wonder that some of you guys "cost/QSO" is.. it only a hobby, > [...] > > Fred > > > On 8/1/16 9:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: >> I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help receive. >> [...] >> >> Just my view. >> Jer ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From jermo at carolinaheli.com Mon Aug 1 16:16:20 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry More) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 16:16:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <579FAC52.20406@g3tct.co.uk> References: <579FAC52.20406@g3tct.co.uk> Message-ID: <0MS3lE-1brzKe0Szq-00TPgW@mrelay.perfora.net> Do you dare imply that UK ops may have more skill ?? LOL Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Kimbell From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Aug 1 16:19:13 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 16:19:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Computer interface for KX2? In-Reply-To: <8d3b1366-7f03-c7ee-d213-ad36edc0099e@n7xy.net> References: <8d3b1366-7f03-c7ee-d213-ad36edc0099e@n7xy.net> Message-ID: Looks like Mic IN (mono) not Lin IN (Stereo likely). If that's ok......... Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 1, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Bob Nielsen wrote: > > I haven't tried it yet, but was thinking of using this . > > Bob, N7XY > >> On 8/1/16 12:58 PM, demiansims at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> I'm about to be the proud owner of a KX2 after using a KX3, KX1 and K2 for many years (all sold). I've always used Signalink for an interface but was wondering if there's something even smaller/simple than the Signalink. Not that the SL is complicated but looking for a smaller interface. I've also had problems with the SL and shielding in the past. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> D >> >> __._,_.___ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Posted by: demiansims at gmail.com >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Save time and get your email on the go with the Yahoo Mail app >> >> Get the beautifully designed, lighting fast, and easy-to-use Yahoo Mail today. Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. >> >> ------------------------- From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Aug 1 16:21:22 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 16:21:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Data Connections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D9DC66F-732D-4DEA-A76A-60BF43E917D7@widomaker.com> FSK is not available on the Standard RS232 or KUSB single cable either. Needs extra Comm port. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 1, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > > All cat and laying/PTT functions are also available. > > *Except FSK.* > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >> On 8/1/2016 10:15 AM, Nr4c wrote: >> Yes. You select the radio's audio codec as the sound device. All cat and laying/PTT functions are also available. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ...nr4c. bill > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From jim at rhodesend.net Mon Aug 1 16:22:37 2016 From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 14:22:37 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Computer interface for KX2? In-Reply-To: <8d3b1366-7f03-c7ee-d213-ad36edc0099e@n7xy.net> References: <8d3b1366-7f03-c7ee-d213-ad36edc0099e@n7xy.net> Message-ID: The question I had when looking at this type of sound card is "will it do stereo line input?" I did find one that did and it was in the $10-15 range. Many of them only do mono at Mic level. Use mine with the KX3 most of the time, have used it with K3. On Aug 1, 2016 2:12 PM, "Bob Nielsen" wrote: > > I haven't tried it yet, but was thinking of using this < https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002FI7GWK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 >. > > Bob, N7XY > > On 8/1/16 12:58 PM, demiansims at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> I'm about to be the proud owner of a KX2 after using a KX3, KX1 and K2 for many years (all sold). I've always used Signalink for an interface but was wondering if there's something even smaller/simple than the Signalink. Not that the SL is complicated but looking for a smaller interface. 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Terms of Use >> . >> __,_._,___ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 16:41:09 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 06:41:09 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <0MS3lE-1brzKe0Szq-00TPgW@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <579FAC52.20406@g3tct.co.uk> <0MS3lE-1brzKe0Szq-00TPgW@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <579fb3e5.5341620a.ac213.4c8b@mx.google.com> Don't forget us in VK. We also have a 400w limit. Not that many comply....:-) Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Jerry More" Sent: ?2/?08/?2016 6:21 AM To: "Graham Kimbell" ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp Do you dare imply that UK ops may have more skill ?? LOL Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Kimbell ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From esteptony at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 16:41:25 2016 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 15:41:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Zombie Amplifier? (was Re: KPA-1500 needed) In-Reply-To: References: <1f5f1.4e9dd43a.44d02ce9@aol.com> Message-ID: Zombies don't need amps -- they have a different form of waves, and a different form of propagation. But it only works when the whole path is in darkness. Tony KT0NY From jthorpe at liberty.edu Mon Aug 1 16:48:11 2016 From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:48:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Computer interface for KX2? In-Reply-To: References: <8d3b1366-7f03-c7ee-d213-ad36edc0099e@n7xy.net> , Message-ID: <7297DFF9-C911-4A96-AF94-3F2ECBF39432@liberty.edu> I use this with my iPad and iSDR. It has stereo input. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JOCK6EK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Jeff - kg7hdz On Aug 1, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Jim Rhodes > wrote: The question I had when looking at this type of sound card is "will it do stereo line input?" I did find one that did and it was in the $10-15 range. Many of them only do mono at Mic level. Use mine with the KX3 most of the time, have used it with K3. On Aug 1, 2016 2:12 PM, "Bob Nielsen" > wrote: I haven't tried it yet, but was thinking of using this < https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002FI7GWK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 . Bob, N7XY On 8/1/16 12:58 PM, demiansims at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: Hi All, I'm about to be the proud owner of a KX2 after using a KX3, KX1 and K2 for many years (all sold). I've always used Signalink for an interface but was wondering if there's something even smaller/simple than the Signalink. Not that the SL is complicated but looking for a smaller interface. I've also had problems with the SL and shielding in the past. 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Terms of Use . __,_._,___ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jthorpe at liberty.edu From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 1 16:49:07 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 16:49:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Computer interface for KX2? In-Reply-To: References: <8d3b1366-7f03-c7ee-d213-ad36edc0099e@n7xy.net> Message-ID: Data modes require only mono - only the left channel is used. The SignaLink interface is mono. Of course, the KX2/KX3 requires a stereo plug. An exotic soundcard is not required for data modes, although ones with a low noise floor will decode weaker signals. If you are thinking of a panadapter application from the KX3 I/Q outputs, then you need not only stereo, but a good soundcard. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/1/2016 4:22 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > The question I had when looking at this type of sound card is "will it do > stereo line input?" I did find one that did and it was in the $10-15 range. > Many of them only do mono at Mic level. Use mine with the KX3 most of the > time, have used it with K3. > > From tony.kaz at verizon.net Mon Aug 1 17:03:05 2016 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 17:03:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <0D2E2D23-900B-411F-A807-22A9AA9BCA10@elecraft.com> References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> <0D2E2D23-900B-411F-A807-22A9AA9BCA10@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <005f01d1ec38$197e5b10$4c7b1130$@verizon.net> Wayne, It is nice you were able to write a couple poems based on your own experience with QRP :-) Do I detect another hobby or stress reliever? 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 12:55 PM To: EricJ Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp I wrote an epic poem on this subject :) See: http://www.qsotoday.com/n6kr-poetry.html Wayne N6KR On Aug 1, 2016, at 9:04 AM, EricJ wrote: > The point is dominance. If you are the strongest signal, the DX hears you better. If you are the strongest, you hear the DX better because everyone else stands by until you make the contact and go away. I lived among the legendary California Kilowatts when I was a DXer. Letting them in and letting them chat about their vacation at that location with the DX because they could was the only way you could work the DX eventually yourself. Same as in life. > > Eric KE6US > > > On 8/1/2016 6:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: >> I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help receive. >> My whole Ham life I've been told to put the money into antennas, >> better feedlines, and a better receiver. >> If you are a skilled operator then you'll make the contact if band >> conditions permit. >> Doing the math I really don't see why anyone "needs" an amp past >> 500-600watts. Maybe on 60/160? >> If a QRP /Low power station can make the contact but you can't then >> maybe you need to ask for help getting your station optimized a bit better. >> Just my view. >> I used to run an SB220 and loved it when I made the contact. I later >> came to resent Ops I heard running power just to get over the pileup. >> I sold the Amp and don't regret it for a minute. If I were to get >> another amp the math shows 500w to be the sweet spot, however, I have >> so much opportunity to improve feedlines and antenna it doesn't makes >> sense to run power at this time. >> >> Just my view. >> Jer >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> eric_csuf at hotmail.com >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n6kr at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 17:18:35 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 15:18:35 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I got one of the 1st Novice licenses issued ... in September, 1951. Took the exam in Oklahoma City, where the FCC came only once per year. My "Elmer" was a retired Navy CW op and I was taught well. Long ago I was a commercial shipboard RO on a NOAA vessel. I'm one of the six people who created the "no code" license. In what I consider one of the greatest honors in my Amateur Radio ... I -detest- the name "ham" ... career the ARRL appointed me as one of the six members of their No Code Study Committee. BTW, each of us were / are die-hard CW operators. We we --told-- by the FCC that we would be getting some form of codeless licensing and we should come up with something that most could live with. Lots of "details" were covered over a year and a half of meetings, conference calls, etc. I still have a large box of pro and con correspondence in the attic. The number of letters is about equally divided. An example of the results ... yesterday I had a KE0 proudly tell me he'd just passed his "expert" license, and, his radio emitted a multi-tone CB "roger beep" each time he unkeyed his microphone. Without the "no code" license we most likely wouldn't have Amateur Radio with the record 750K licenses we have today, and there's political "safety in numbers". Please, let's not start a thread on the subject. I just thought some "first person" input would be of interest. 73 Ken Kopp - K0PP From ron at cobi.biz Mon Aug 1 17:28:19 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 14:28:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? In-Reply-To: References: <0bb8c0c2-c318-f98d-8e04-73ff746fcd14@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <004401d1ec3b$9fdafe90$df90fbb0$@biz> A serious mistake some antenna-limited Hams make is to try to make up for a poor antenna near the ground with more power. A situation like Jim brings up would likely produce a number of ill effects such as: 1) Producing interference in many nearby pieces of equipment from Hi-Fi systems to DVRs, broadcast receivers, etc. 2) If the antenna is not carefully insulated and isolated, animals and people can receive very painful RF burns and in the extreme set fires. For those who have not experienced a severe RF burn, it instantly creates deep tissue damage that is very painful for days or weeks afterward. 3) Short antennas (whips, short wires, etc.) easily produce corona discharges at their ends that distorts the transmitted signal and creates broadband Hash across the ham bands. 4) It becomes very difficult to ensure people are not subjected to excessive RF exposure if the antenna is not up high and in the clear. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Bennett Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 11:23 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? Wayne, if it turns out to be a survey, put me down for a NO vote. I run my station in a HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas. I?m surprised they don?t vaporize as it is with the 500 watts or so coming out of my KPA500 - on the rare occasions when I do run QRO! Jim / W6JHB (p.s. - and another reason for a no vote is that I?d be talking in a much higher tone if I told my XYL (KF6ZNT) if I was gonna buy a big buck amp!) > On Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at Monday, 9:55 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: > >> I think that crowdfunding a KPA1500 would help to get Elecraft going again on a big amp. >> Crowdfunding would also give a good indication on how many KPA1500's you could sell in the market as it is today. >> >> 73 >> Arie PA3A >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From dhhdeh at comcast.net Mon Aug 1 17:36:08 2016 From: dhhdeh at comcast.net (David and Dianne on Comcast) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 17:36:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Begali Expedition Paddles: For Sale Message-ID: <579FC0C8.5020505@comcast.net> Hi Everyone, At Hamvention 2016 this past May, I purchased a new Begali Expedition paddle s/n 301 at the Begali Booth. For a number of personal reasons I have decided not to keep it. Used sparingly over these past three months, this paddle is as new in appearance and mint in its operating condition. It will include the limited accessories that accompanied it (cleaning cloth, spacer and cable)and it will be shipped in the original box. Sell for $229 shipped UPS Ground in the Continental US. Payment by USPS Postal Money order only please. NO PayPal. Contact me with your questions or interest. 73 de N1LQ-Dave N1LQ at arrl.net From kevin at k4vd.net Mon Aug 1 17:43:33 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 17:43:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ?Hi Ken: As a CW operator, I think you did well in helping to secure the future of Amateur Radio (proud to be a ham). Years later it seems apparent to me the impact has been generally positive. Your last comment... "Please, let's not start a thread on the subject. I just thought some "first person" input would be of interest." Seems like an odd statement to make to a discussion group. I assume you are trying to avoid a code/no-code argument. 73, Kev K4VD From rv6amark at yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 17:49:47 2016 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 14:49:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Computer interface for KX2? Message-ID: I suggest an SD-AUD20101. ?It has stereo input and output (2 DAC's for output and 2 ADC's for input) so it can utilize the KX3 IQ output.? https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B006SF68P2/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1470087537&sr=8-1&pi=SL75_QL70&keywords=sd-aud20101 There are others out there, but if you want to use it in a pan adapter setup, having 2 input ADC's is critical. Mark KE6BB -------- Original message --------From: Bob Nielsen Date: 8/1/16 1:11 PM (GMT-08:00) To: demiansims at gmail.com, elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Computer interface for KX2? I haven't tried it yet, but was thinking of using this . Bob, N7XY On 8/1/16 12:58 PM, demiansims at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: > > Hi All, > > > I'm about to be the proud owner of a KX2 after using a KX3, KX1 and K2 > for many years (all sold). I've always used Signalink for an interface > but was wondering if there's something even smaller/simple than the > Signalink. Not that the SL is complicated but looking for a smaller > interface. I've also had problems with the SL and shielding in the past. > > > Thanks, > > D > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Posted by: demiansims at gmail.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Reply via web post > > ? Reply to sender > > ? Reply to group > > ? Start a New Topic > > ? 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Terms > of Use > . > __,_._,___ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rv6amark at yahoo.com From tom at nilza.org Mon Aug 1 17:52:17 2016 From: tom at nilza.org (Tom Azlin W7SUA) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 14:52:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: <0bb8c0c2-c318-f98d-8e04-73ff746fcd14@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <2ad39ee8-d284-8a63-08d1-8f852d828ad2@nilza.org> That would be a no for me. Money is not the issue. Just do not need more than the KPA500 I now have. Only use it now for skeds when conditions do not support a contact at 100 watts. 73, tom w7sua On 8/1/2016 9:55 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead. > > Wayne > N6KR From w6jhb at me.com Mon Aug 1 18:04:47 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 15:04:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? In-Reply-To: <004401d1ec3b$9fdafe90$df90fbb0$@biz> References: <0bb8c0c2-c318-f98d-8e04-73ff746fcd14@xs4all.nl> <004401d1ec3b$9fdafe90$df90fbb0$@biz> Message-ID: <8A9B5237-05E6-4015-A0A5-AA6537A78862@me.com> Huh????? How does my situation even closely border on producing ?ill effects?? This is NOT the situation here, so let?s set the record straight. 1) My stealthy wire doublet is 45 feet in the air. I experience ZERO RFI problems even at the 500 watt level. Nor do my neighbors, who I?ve asked several times if there are issues. 2) I would be interested to see what sort of person or animal is going to come into contact with an antenna at that height. Actually, maybe I don?t want to see - might be pretty scary sight. 3) Don?t know where my post mentioned whips or short wires. None here at this station. 4) True, but again, not here. My post simply was intended to convey my desire and reason why I do NOT want to run any more power than I already do, and any correlation of my installation to someone with a dipole five feet off the ground or experiencing RFI is off the mark. And not fully appreciated. > On Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at Monday, 2:28 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > ... A situation like Jim brings up would likely produce a number of ill effects such as: > > 1) Producing interference in many nearby pieces of equipment from Hi-Fi systems to DVRs, broadcast receivers, etc. > > 2) If the antenna is not carefully insulated and isolated, animals and people can receive very painful RF burns and in the extreme set fires. For those who have not experienced a severe RF burn, it instantly creates deep tissue damage that is very painful for days or weeks afterward. > > 3) Short antennas (whips, short wires, etc.) easily produce corona discharges at their ends that distorts the transmitted signal and creates broadband Hash across the ham bands. > > 4) It becomes very difficult to ensure people are not subjected to excessive RF exposure if the antenna is not up high and in the clear. From dbcurtis at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 18:11:46 2016 From: dbcurtis at gmail.com (Daniel B. Curtis) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 15:11:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ken I have learning disabilities. It would have been impossible for me to get an Amateur Radio license without your efforts. I have spent been 5 years trying to learn code and am now am almost competent at receiving 12wpm (I am trying to learn it because it is hard for me and hits all my weaknesses --- a masochist.). I would never have tried to learn code unless I had an Amateur Radio license first. Thanks and 73 Dan Curtis N6WN On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > I got one of the 1st Novice licenses issued ... in September, 1951. Took > the exam in Oklahoma City, where the FCC came only once per year. My > "Elmer" was a retired Navy CW op and I was taught well. Long ago I was a > commercial shipboard RO on a NOAA vessel. > > I'm one of the six people who created the "no code" license. In what I > consider one of the greatest honors in my Amateur Radio ... I -detest- the > name "ham" ... career the ARRL appointed me as one of the six members of > their No Code Study Committee. BTW, each of us were / are die-hard CW > operators. > > We we --told-- by the FCC that we would be getting some form of codeless > licensing and we should come up with something that most could live with. > Lots of "details" were covered over a year and a half of meetings, > conference calls, etc. > > I still have a large box of pro and con correspondence in the attic. The > number of letters is about equally divided. > > An example of the results ... yesterday I had a KE0 proudly tell me he'd > just passed his "expert" license, and, his radio emitted a multi-tone CB > "roger beep" each time he unkeyed his microphone. > > Without the "no code" license we most likely wouldn't have Amateur Radio > with the record 750K licenses we have today, and there's political "safety > in numbers". > > Please, let's not start a thread on the subject. I just thought some > "first person" input would be of interest. > > 73 > > Ken Kopp - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6wn at dbcrd.net > From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon Aug 1 18:12:32 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 15:12:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Computer interface for KX2? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27C38CA0-CBE0-4B18-81BB-BB270055C4E8@wunderwood.org> Yes. Also, please read the short article by Jim Brown (K9YC) on choosing and configuring an interface for digital modes. http://audiosystemsgroup.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf This stuff really belongs in an FAQ. We get this discussion every month. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 1, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Mark via Elecraft wrote: > > I suggest an SD-AUD20101. It has stereo input and output (2 DAC's for output and 2 ADC's for input) so it can utilize the KX3 IQ output. > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B006SF68P2/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1470087537&sr=8-1&pi=SL75_QL70&keywords=sd-aud20101 > > > There are others out there, but if you want to use it in a pan adapter setup, having 2 input ADC's is critical. > > Mark > KE6BB > > -------- Original message --------From: Bob Nielsen Date: 8/1/16 1:11 PM (GMT-08:00) To: demiansims at gmail.com, elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Computer interface for KX2? > I haven't tried it yet, but was thinking of using this > . > > Bob, N7XY > > On 8/1/16 12:58 PM, demiansims at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> I'm about to be the proud owner of a KX2 after using a KX3, KX1 and K2 >> for many years (all sold). I've always used Signalink for an interface >> but was wondering if there's something even smaller/simple than the >> Signalink. Not that the SL is complicated but looking for a smaller >> interface. I've also had problems with the SL and shielding in the past. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> D >> >> __._,_.___ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Posted by: demiansims at gmail.com >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Reply via web post >> >> ? Reply to sender >> >> ? Reply to group >> >> ? Start a New Topic >> >> ? Messages in this topic >> >> (1) >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Save time and get your email on the go with the Yahoo Mail app >> >> Get the beautifully designed, lighting fast, and easy-to-use Yahoo >> Mail today. Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL >> and more) in one place. 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Terms >> of Use >> . >> __,_._,___ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rv6amark at yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From jmoodysr at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 18:18:30 2016 From: jmoodysr at gmail.com (Jon Moody) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 15:18:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp Message-ID: Wayne, Just to be clear my previous e-mail was referring to your poem writing ability. -- 73 Jon KG6VDW From w1go at icloud.com Mon Aug 1 18:20:52 2016 From: w1go at icloud.com (W1GO (Joe)) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 18:20:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> <0D2E2D23-900B-411F-A807-22A9AA9BCA10@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Thread hasn't closed because it's free market research from a very targeted audience. Companies pay big bucks in order to hear "the voice of the customer." > On Aug 1, 2016, at 16:12, F5vjc wrote: > > Why hasn't this thread been terminated? It's getting boring now. Much more > interesting threads are quickly closed. > > There is no 1500W Amp guys. > > 73 F5VJC From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Aug 1 18:26:25 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 15:26:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] EC2 Clone (Was The 1500 watt amp) In-Reply-To: References: <1c588b69-d6e7-582a-ec39-be10f9bc1431@triconet.org> <66325D51-6A99-4A19-8719-EDC03920669F@elecraft.com> <1e8001d1ebfc$80e17440$82a45cc0$@wjschmidt.com> Message-ID: Nice work! I too have built my own enclosures with similar techniques. A couple of my projects can be seen here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html#amp Although at the time I had access to a prototype workshop, I have done similar work at home with comparable results. If possible, I avoid bends. In all of this stuff I used 0.062" 6061-T6 material so it wasn't going to bend anyway. The harder alloy drills like a dream. For all of the corner joinery I used 3/8" square stock, 8/32 threads and stainless steel screws In the protoshop, I had access to a shear but all of the sheared edges were still smoothed by hand. I had a granite surface plate and used a vernier height gauge for layout so similar parts were interchangeable. In the home shop I lay out as carefully as possible and match drill on a drill press. Most people can't tell the difference. With a lot of elbow grease a hacksaw works, although after a lot of furniture building and finish sanding, I needed rotator cuff surgery so I don't do that anymore. With extreme care and I do mean extreme, a carbide toothed blade on a table saw will cut aluminum if it's thick enough and the blade has fine enough teeth. Otherwise I use a bandsaw, which is always safer, if less precise. In the protoshop I had access to chemical dip baths for passivating the aluminum, silver plating the RF parts and a panograph engraver for panel lettering. Silver looks nice, but is highly overrated as an RF conductor.* In the home shop, before the un-elected bureaucrats in DC decided we were too stupid to handle lye (judging by the electorate they may be right), I would etch aluminum in a lye bath, rinse and neutralize with vinegar and a final water rinse. This would yield a nice satin finish. The best I have found since is oven cleaner. Another finish, if you like the look, can be had by using a random-orbit sander Play with the grit until you find something you like. Sanding it wet with a little cutting oil can be fun, albeit messy, too. Tube amplifier still have their virtues and, along with antennas, can be great roll-your-own projects that can work better than what you can buy. Wes N7Ws * http://k6mhe.com/n7ws/Plating.pdf On 8/1/2016 9:36 AM, EricJ wrote: > If you can build whatever you want, you can easily build the enclosure. Here > is an EC2 clone I built last week in about 6 hours. I made the side panels > with a hacksaw, file and drill press. The front panel I cut and formed with an > inexpensive 8" shear/brake. This one is branded Grizzly, but Harbor Freight > has them as well. I didn't use the Elecraft 2D fasteners because I only had 2 > on hand and didn't want to make a bunch of little fussy pieces. I used 4 long > sections of 1/4" square aluminum stock and drilled them with the same hole > pattern as the 2D fasteners. The front panel will get painted after I drill > and punch it for the current project. > > https://flic.kr/p/KBivtc > > The smaller K1 enclosure is nearly the same design (slightly different top > cover) so it scales down easily. It would scale up for a large amp just as > easily. The cost of the EC2-clone was about $4 in materials (0.080" and 0.050" > sheet and 1/4" bar stock). All can be built with a hacksaw, file and a hand > drill. A bandsaw and a drill press make it more precise. A shear/brake makes > it even easier. > > Eric KE6US From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Aug 1 18:29:26 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 15:29:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: It sure does at the other end :-) On 8/1/2016 6:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: > I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help receive. From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Aug 1 18:36:06 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 15:36:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <005f01d1ec38$197e5b10$4c7b1130$@verizon.net> References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> <0D2E2D23-900B-411F-A807-22A9AA9BCA10@elecraft.com> <005f01d1ec38$197e5b10$4c7b1130$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <07bf89c5-2c61-3987-ff6b-435a975d0a9e@foothill.net> Nice variation on "It was a dark and stormy night ..." Bulwer-Lytton award candidate if I've ever seen one. Snoopy would be proud. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 8/1/2016 2:03 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > Wayne, > It is nice you were able to write a couple poems based on your own > experience with QRP :-) > Do I detect another hobby or stress reliever? > > 73, > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne > Burdick > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 12:55 PM > To: EricJ > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp > > I wrote an epic poem on this subject :) See: > > http://www.qsotoday.com/n6kr-poetry.html > > Wayne > N6KR From lists at subich.com Mon Aug 1 18:51:18 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 18:51:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9dd38e5e-d77a-e247-93d2-3d7dc5e38aa2@subich.com> Given that amateur radio in the US is now completely "no code" - there is no need to become proficient even for an Amateur Extra class license - the early "no code" steps were a Faustian bargain just as the fiction of "semi-automatic control" for digital operations was a Faustian bargain. As much as it pains me to say, we would arguably be better off with fewer licensees and maintaining a reasonable standard for entry. There is no credible evidence that amateurs can continue to advance the state of the art and evidence to the contrary that the current license base represents a trained pool of operators. The quality of operators and the behavior heard on the air today is abhorrent when judged by the standards of 15 years ago. Perhaps it is time to review the basis and purpose behind amateur radio and move to a "national park" model. That is a place for those who have proven that they have the necessary skills to continue to practice those "ancient" and no longer commercially viable skills. Consider it the "primitive" areas of the National Parks 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/1/2016 5:18 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > I got one of the 1st Novice licenses issued ... in September, 1951. Took > the exam in Oklahoma City, where the FCC came only once per year. My > "Elmer" was a retired Navy CW op and I was taught well. Long ago I was a > commercial shipboard RO on a NOAA vessel. > > I'm one of the six people who created the "no code" license. In what I > consider one of the greatest honors in my Amateur Radio ... I -detest- the > name "ham" ... career the ARRL appointed me as one of the six members of > their No Code Study Committee. BTW, each of us were / are die-hard CW > operators. > > We we --told-- by the FCC that we would be getting some form of codeless > licensing and we should come up with something that most could live with. > Lots of "details" were covered over a year and a half of meetings, > conference calls, etc. > > I still have a large box of pro and con correspondence in the attic. The > number of letters is about equally divided. > > An example of the results ... yesterday I had a KE0 proudly tell me he'd > just passed his "expert" license, and, his radio emitted a multi-tone CB > "roger beep" each time he unkeyed his microphone. > > Without the "no code" license we most likely wouldn't have Amateur Radio > with the record 750K licenses we have today, and there's political "safety > in numbers". > > Please, let's not start a thread on the subject. I just thought some > "first person" input would be of interest. > > 73 > > Ken Kopp - K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 19:04:16 2016 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 17:04:16 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background In-Reply-To: <9dd38e5e-d77a-e247-93d2-3d7dc5e38aa2@subich.com> References: <9dd38e5e-d77a-e247-93d2-3d7dc5e38aa2@subich.com> Message-ID: Yeah but ... (;-) Your arguments are correct.... Even at the time of the no code committee meetings it was glaringly apparent that it was ... essentially ... a case of raw numbers. Politically we needed ... and now even more so ... need our "body count" in the face of the economic and political challenges to our frequencies. The FCC told us this in no uncertain terms. You should have seen what they initially proposed in their version before we tweaked it! 73 K0PP From josh at voodoolab.com Mon Aug 1 19:04:52 2016 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 16:04:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: If cost per QSO were a concern, no one would ever work EME. Just sayin'. Back to waiting for this thread to die! 73, Josh W6XU On 8/1/2016 10:47 AM, Fred Moore wrote: > I always wonder that some of you guys "cost/QSO" is.. From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Aug 1 19:07:01 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 16:07:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <005f01d1ec38$197e5b10$4c7b1130$@verizon.net> References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> <0D2E2D23-900B-411F-A807-22A9AA9BCA10@elecraft.com> <005f01d1ec38$197e5b10$4c7b1130$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5AAB5134-0E32-4B52-B018-84CE57A45770@elecraft.com> On Aug 1, 2016, at 2:03 PM, "N2TK, Tony" wrote: > Wayne, > It is nice you were able to write a couple poems based on your own > experience with QRP :-) > Do I detect another hobby or stress reliever? You do. My alter ego is a wannabe author. Unfortunately time is a zero-sum game (think Jake and his Avatar). Cloning would be a better solution, but it's not in my budget. Wayne From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Mon Aug 1 19:08:40 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 16:08:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: As those of us active in EME would say.. No s*** Ken At 04:04 PM 8/1/2016, Josh Fiden wrote: >If cost per QSO were a concern, no one would ever work EME. Just sayin'. > >Back to waiting for this thread to die! > >73, >Josh W6XU > >On 8/1/2016 10:47 AM, Fred Moore wrote: >>I always wonder that some of you guys "cost/QSO" is.. > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 1 19:29:50 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 13:29:50 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <20160801231022.1D6FACE4443@mailman.qth.net> References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> <20160801231022.1D6FACE4443@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <0B643DD7-EEEF-4D95-9220-2D1804DFBC37@elecraft.com> We are well past the single topic posting limit on this thread. Let's close the thread for now in the interest of relieving email overload for our other readers. 73, Eric Moderator (from wherever I may be..) elecraft.com _..._ > On Aug 1, 2016, at 1:08 PM, Ken Arck wrote: > > As those of us active in EME would say.. > > No s*** > > Ken > > > At 04:04 PM 8/1/2016, Josh Fiden wrote: >> If cost per QSO were a concern, no one would ever work EME. Just sayin'. >> >> Back to waiting for this thread to die! >> >> 73, >> Josh W6XU >> >>> On 8/1/2016 10:47 AM, Fred Moore wrote: >>> I always wonder that some of you guys "cost/QSO" is.. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > President and CTO - Arcom Communications > Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. > http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ > Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and > we offer complete repeater packages! > AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 > http://www.irlp.net > "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Mon Aug 1 19:36:41 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 16:36:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background In-Reply-To: <9dd38e5e-d77a-e247-93d2-3d7dc5e38aa2@subich.com> References: <9dd38e5e-d77a-e247-93d2-3d7dc5e38aa2@subich.com> Message-ID: I agree with this paragraph, Joe, however, I strongly disagree that a knowledge of CW at any speed is a reasonable or even a relevant standard for entry in the 21st Century. There is no evidence that a knowledge of CW makes a license holder better equipped to advance the state of the art either. Certainly the quality of some operators and their behavior is abhorrent, but it is more a reflection of the general population than it is lack of code proficiency. Furthermore, proof before an examiner of code proficiency doesn't say anything at all about a trained pool of operators, esp. in an age when nobody but hobbyists use code anymore. What are they training for? The only reason for an FCC amateur license is to show you understand and will abide by the rules for emitting RF in the amateur radio spectrum. Evidence for that assertion is that the state of the art in computers and software is advanced by people including kids who don't have any license whatsoever. Same goes for astronomy or motorcycle racing or bicycle design. You name a hobby and most in it are not licensed by anyone to do it. They just do it. So a higher standard for entry would involve a proof of understanding of Part 97, e.g. to show that the prospective licensee knows what emissions violations look like and has some clue as to how to resolve them. Testing them on the difference between a Colpitts and Harley oscillator is and probably always has been pointless. BTW, I'm about 95% CW for going on 60 years. I haven't been on any voice mode for at least 10 years, but I do operate some JT9/JT65. I got my first microphone 24 years after I was first license. I took exams for General, Advanced and Extra before FCC examiners on both coasts who all looked like Lou Grant. A personal observation? Most of the ragchews I have on CW these days are with no code hams, many of them SKCC members. If a ham likes antennas, satellites, emcomm, CW or whatever, they will gravitate towards it when they get the license. The standard of entry is the ability to do it legally and ethically. Eric KE6US On 8/1/2016 3:51 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > As much as it pains me to say, we would arguably be better off with > fewer licensees and maintaining a reasonable standard for entry. There > is no credible evidence that amateurs can continue to advance the state > of the art and evidence to the contrary that the current license base > represents a trained pool of operators. The quality of operators and > the behavior heard on the air today is abhorrent when judged by the > standards of 15 years ago. > > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > On 8/1/2016 5:18 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> I got one of the 1st Novice licenses issued ... in September, 1951. >> Took >> the exam in Oklahoma City, where the FCC came only once per year. My >> "Elmer" was a retired Navy CW op and I was taught well. Long ago I >> was a >> commercial shipboard RO on a NOAA vessel. >> >> I'm one of the six people who created the "no code" license. In what I >> consider one of the greatest honors in my Amateur Radio ... I >> -detest- the >> name "ham" ... career the ARRL appointed me as one of the six members of >> their No Code Study Committee. BTW, each of us were / are die-hard CW >> operators. >> >> We we --told-- by the FCC that we would be getting some form of codeless >> licensing and we should come up with something that most could live >> with. >> Lots of "details" were covered over a year and a half of meetings, >> conference calls, etc. >> >> I still have a large box of pro and con correspondence in the attic. >> The >> number of letters is about equally divided. >> >> An example of the results ... yesterday I had a KE0 proudly tell me he'd >> just passed his "expert" license, and, his radio emitted a multi-tone CB >> "roger beep" each time he unkeyed his microphone. >> >> Without the "no code" license we most likely wouldn't have Amateur Radio >> with the record 750K licenses we have today, and there's political >> "safety >> in numbers". >> >> Please, let's not start a thread on the subject. I just thought some >> "first person" input would be of interest. >> >> 73 >> >> Ken Kopp - K0PP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 1 19:37:12 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 13:37:12 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background In-Reply-To: References: <9dd38e5e-d77a-e247-93d2-3d7dc5e38aa2@subich.com> Message-ID: Folks, let's end this thread at this time. It has reoccurred periodically many times in the past and can easily be perused in our archives. 73, Eric Moderator elecraft.com _..._ From kevin at k4vd.net Mon Aug 1 19:38:43 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 19:38:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background In-Reply-To: References: <9dd38e5e-d77a-e247-93d2-3d7dc5e38aa2@subich.com> Message-ID: Wait a moment. ?I do not subscribe to the notion that today's hams are any less capable than hams of the old days. ?I think that is old-timer thinking bordering on the curmudgeonly. "Kids these days." Today's hams know different things. Things some OT's may not understand, value or appreciate but still valuable and worth knowing. New techniques, modes, devices and interests, are a constant I can't keep up with. New hams are a force to be reckoned with. I'll do my best to keep up with them and enjoy the fruits of their ingenuity. Kevin / K4VD From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 1 19:42:13 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 13:42:13 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 148, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <002201d1ec2a$25e4fac0$71aef040$@net> References: <002201d1ec2a$25e4fac0$71aef040$@net> Message-ID: This version of the 1500W thread is also now closed. 73, Eric -- --- -.. . .-. .- - --- .-. elecraft.com > From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 1 19:45:26 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 13:45:26 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Higher Power than KPA500 In-Reply-To: <209D296AAC534CDAA94C7D2E3AC9FCCE@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> References: <209D296AAC534CDAA94C7D2E3AC9FCCE@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> Message-ID: This version of the 1500W thread is also now closed, along with any other variants we haven't seen. 73, Eric Moderator elecraft.com Never say 'never' _..._ > From cautery at montac.com Mon Aug 1 20:29:07 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 19:29:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <579FAC52.20406@g3tct.co.uk> References: <579FAC52.20406@g3tct.co.uk> Message-ID: Running 240 to the shack, while not a trivial task, is not "undoable". I am doing so right now... I am putting in a sub-panel to deliver the power from the service, and am running separate circuits for 8 x 20Amp 120 V receptacles, 2 x 15 Amp 240 V receptacles, and 2 x 20 Amp 240 V re ceptacles. All using twisted pair wirin g of at least 2 wire gauges above code for power level and steel conduit for shielding from service to sub, and sub to 6 gang metal back box... Have a master electrician who will inspect and sign off on the work to satisfy the insurance guys... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/1/2016 3:08 PM, Graham Kimbell wrote: > Watching this from afar, I notice the irony - US has 1500W limit but > not enough (120v) mains power to use it, whilst the UK has loads of > mains power (240v at 13A) but only a 400W limit. > > Graham > > >> The KPA500 can be run from any decent 120VAC mains outlet as long as >> there aren't too many other loads on it. But going above that power >> level forces the Ham to have 240 VAC in the shack, something many of >> us do not normally plan for. That can be a very expensive addition to >> the cost of the amp, especially if the mains panel is not expandable >> as needed. >> >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com Mon Aug 1 20:35:52 2016 From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 19:35:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. In-Reply-To: References: <000001d1eb9a$a1d692a0$e583b7e0$@biz> Message-ID: <7b417c47-d80d-fd99-0637-a3538dceee5b@wi.rr.com> Or better yet, do what other SS amp manufacturer's are doing, use surplus HP Proliant server power supplies? Here's a 3KW one/50V for $30.00. There are warehouses full of these things available. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-ESP120-2950W-Power-Supply-226519-501-406424-001-253232-001/391114939625?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37577%26meid%3D7a666926576944989b8c1bc8c2e7ec53%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D122038440431 They have other current capacities available. These can be run in series or parallel too. Sure beats re-inventing the wheel. On 8/1/2016 1:04 AM, Bob Nielsen wrote: > Although it would add to the cost, building in a 12 to 60 volt DC-DC > converter would avoid compromising the performance. > > 73, Bob N7XY > > On 7/31/16 7:15 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> Dan, the issue is producing more than 100 watts from a 12-volt supply >> without unacceptable levels of IMD. That's why Elecraft used a >> 60-volt power supply in the KPA500. >> >> If the gain restrictions are removed, Elecraft (and anyone else) >> could produce a 500 watt amplifier that worked from an exciter with >> any level of drive, even less than 1 watt. >> >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Dan Baker >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 5:31 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. >> >> Once the FCC removes the 15 dB gain limitation on amateur amplifiers >> *Petition for Rule Making* (*RM-11767* >> ) Then Elecraft >> can build us a 12 volt version of the KPA500. That would give us the >> ability to run our KX?s as a very effective mobile rig. This would >> compliment Elecrafts theme of products much more than a legal limit >> amp, that really you can find anywhere. >> >> 73, Dan KM6CQ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to garyk9gs at wi.rr.com -- 73, Gary K9GS Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com CW Ops #1032 http://www.cwops.org ************************************************ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From sjl219 at optonline.net Mon Aug 1 20:38:19 2016 From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background In-Reply-To: <9dd38e5e-d77a-e247-93d2-3d7dc5e38aa2@subich.com> References: <9dd38e5e-d77a-e247-93d2-3d7dc5e38aa2@subich.com> Message-ID: <2847c8c7.93202.15648afd924.Webtop.56@optonline.net> I'm very happy with Amateur Radio (or "ham radio" for those who prefer). ?It might not be perfect, whatever that measure might be, ?but it affords me the opportunity to participate in the world's greatest hobby in the manner I so choose. Had our hobby not grown as it did, I wonder if Elecraft would have ever achieved the size, excellence and reputation is enjoys today? ?Reading QST is sometimes beyond my ability to comprehend. ?I'm no rocket scientist. ? Why should ham radio be "a place for those who have proven that they have the necessary skills to continue to practice ?those "ancient" and no longer commercially viable skills"? ?There are no commercially produced regenerative receivers and most modern transmitter don't have any tubes. As far as Morse code is concerned, it's the only mode I choose to use - 100%. ?I also limit myself to HF and to QRP. ?Those are my choices. Similarly, there are many others who prefer to focus on just digital, or just VHF, or just.....you name it. This hobby has room for real rocket scientists as well as slowpokes like me. On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 06:51 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Given that amateur radio in the US is now completely "no code" - there > is no need to become proficient even for an Amateur Extra class > license > - the early "no code" steps were a Faustian bargain just as the > fiction > of "semi-automatic control" for digital operations was a Faustian > bargain. > > As much as it pains me to say, we would arguably be better off with > fewer licensees and maintaining a reasonable standard for entry. > There > is no credible evidence that amateurs can continue to advance the > state > of the art and evidence to the contrary that the current license base > represents a trained pool of operators. The quality of operators and > the behavior heard on the air today is abhorrent when judged by the > standards of 15 years ago. > > Perhaps it is time to review the basis and purpose behind amateur > radio > and move to a "national park" model. That is a place for those who > have proven that they have the necessary skills to continue to > practice > those "ancient" and no longer commercially viable skills. Consider it > the "primitive" areas of the National Parks > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > On 8/1/2016 5:18 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> I got one of the 1st Novice licenses issued ... in September, 1951. >> Took >> the exam in Oklahoma City, where the FCC came only once per year. My >> "Elmer" was a retired Navy CW op and I was taught well. Long ago I >> was a >> commercial shipboard RO on a NOAA vessel. >> >> I'm one of the six people who created the "no code" license. In what >> I >> consider one of the greatest honors in my Amateur Radio ... I >> -detest- the >> name "ham" ... career the ARRL appointed me as one of the six members >> of >> their No Code Study Committee. BTW, each of us were / are die-hard >> CW >> operators. >> >> We we --told-- by the FCC that we would be getting some form of >> codeless >> licensing and we should come up with something that most could live >> with. >> Lots of "details" were covered over a year and a half of meetings, >> conference calls, etc. >> >> I still have a large box of pro and con correspondence in the attic. >> The >> number of letters is about equally divided. >> >> An example of the results ... yesterday I had a KE0 proudly tell me >> he'd >> just passed his "expert" license, and, his radio emitted a multi-tone >> CB >> "roger beep" each time he unkeyed his microphone. >> >> Without the "no code" license we most likely wouldn't have Amateur >> Radio >> with the record 750K licenses we have today, and there's political >> "safety >> in numbers". >> >> Please, let's not start a thread on the subject. I just thought some >> "first person" input would be of interest. >> >> 73 >> >> Ken Kopp - K0PP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sjl219 at optonline.net > From pincon at erols.com Mon Aug 1 20:52:03 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:52:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <579FAC52.20406@g3tct.co.uk> References: <579FAC52.20406@g3tct.co.uk> Message-ID: <00b501d1ec58$19b0f640$4d12e2c0$@erols.com> Every house I know of in the US has a split phase 120/240 line in, usually at a minimum of 60 Amps and typically 200 Amps. You are correct in that the 240 V only goes to specific items, such as the water pump, stove, HW heater, clothes dryer etc. One has to purposely wire the "radio-room" for 240V. I have 400 Amp service, mainly to force the local power company to use larger feeders to my distribution panel. I am all electric (if you don't count the 5 chords of wood we cut and burn each year) and even on an electric co-op out here in the "sticks", we're paying under 14? per kW-hr. It'll stay there if we can keep the coal industry afloat. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Graham Kimbell Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 4:09 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp Watching this from afar, I notice the irony - US has 1500W limit but not enough (120v) mains power to use it, whilst the UK has loads of mains power (240v at 13A) but only a 400W limit. Graham > The KPA500 can be run from any decent 120VAC mains outlet as long as there aren't too many other loads on it. But going above that power level forces the Ham to have 240 VAC in the shack, something many of us do not normally plan for. That can be a very expensive addition to the cost of the amp, especially if the mains panel is not expandable as needed. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From k9yeq at live.com Mon Aug 1 21:11:13 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (k9yeq at live.com) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 01:11:13 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Begali Expedition Paddles: For Sale In-Reply-To: <579FC0C8.5020505@comcast.net> References: <579FC0C8.5020505@comcast.net> Message-ID: I would love to buy your key but only do paypal to avoid issues with dishonesty. Have a great day! Bill J K9YEQ On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 5:38 PM -0400, "David and Dianne on Comcast" wrote: Hi Everyone, At Hamvention 2016 this past May, I purchased a new Begali Expedition paddle s/n 301 at the Begali Booth. For a number of personal reasons I have decided not to keep it. Used sparingly over these past three months, this paddle is as new in appearance and mint in its operating condition. It will include the limited accessories that accompanied it (cleaning cloth, spacer and cable)and it will be shipped in the original box. Sell for $229 shipped UPS Ground in the Continental US. Payment by USPS Postal Money order only please. NO PayPal. Contact me with your questions or interest. 73 de N1LQ-Dave N1LQ at arrl.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From sidfrissell at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 21:12:10 2016 From: sidfrissell at gmail.com (Sidney Frissell) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 19:12:10 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles Message-ID: <467EB209-23CF-4C08-9606-0669DAC6DAC6@gmail.com> Hi guys I?m planning on buying a KX3 in the near future. Some time ago someone on the reflector said they thought the new KXPD2 paddles were better than the KXpd3 (less noisy I think he said.) Any pf you who have KX3?s and now also KX2 can now make that comparison. So what?s the verdict? Should I get the KXPD2 paddles with my KX3? I?d like to hear some opiinions pro or con. I am mostly a cw op. Thanks Sid Frissell, NZ7M From AC6JA at aol.com Mon Aug 1 21:21:51 2016 From: AC6JA at aol.com (AC6JA at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 21:21:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles Message-ID: <498817.4a430520.44d14fae@aol.com> The Begali Adventure paddle is the way to go! I modified my key with a 4-pin plug purchased from Digikey that mounts and plugs in to the KX3 just like the KXPD3 does so there is no dangling cable that has to plug into the KEY jack on the left side of the radio. Mike AC6JA In a message dated 8/1/2016 6:17:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sidfrissell at gmail.com writes: Hi guys I?m planning on buying a KX3 in the near future. Some time ago someone on the reflector said they thought the new KXPD2 paddles were better than the KXpd3 (less noisy I think he said.) Any pf you who have KX3?s and now also KX2 can now make that comparison. So what?s the verdict? Should I get the KXPD2 paddles with my KX3? I?d like to hear some opiinions pro or con. I am mostly a cw op. Thanks Sid Frissell, NZ7M ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ac6ja at aol.com From cautery at montac.com Mon Aug 1 21:23:41 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:23:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <00b501d1ec58$19b0f640$4d12e2c0$@erols.com> References: <579FAC52.20406@g3tct.co.uk> <00b501d1ec58$19b0f640$4d12e2c0$@erols.com> Message-ID: What an excellent idea... Wonder what that would cost me to get my power provider to do? I'd do pretty much anything to get new/larger feeder lines into my house... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/1/2016 7:52 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > I have 400 Amp service, mainly to force the local power company to use > larger feeders to my distribution panel. From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Aug 1 21:24:14 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 18:24:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Computer interface for KX2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dual watch (on the KX3 and KX2??) and the subreceiver on the K3/S can be very helpful with a RTTY pileup when operating split. You need computer software that can handle it, and of course, a stereo interface. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/1/16 at 1:49 PM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: >Data modes require only mono - only the left channel is used. The SignaLink interface is mono. >Of course, the KX2/KX3 requires a stereo plug. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |"Web security is like medicine - trying to do good for 408-356-8506 |an evolved body of kludges" - Mark Miller www.pwpconsult.com | From billgerth at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 1 22:01:12 2016 From: billgerth at embarqmail.com (Bill Gerth) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 21:01:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles In-Reply-To: <467EB209-23CF-4C08-9606-0669DAC6DAC6@gmail.com> References: <467EB209-23CF-4C08-9606-0669DAC6DAC6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sid, I have an early KX3 (S/N 112) and really like the KXPD3, except that it had contact issues in the high humidity environment that I encountered in summertime Missouri and Arkansas SOTA activations. I then went with the Palm Radio Mini-Paddle with a special bracket that mounts to the KX3 in the same position as the KXPD3. The Mini-Paddle has gold contacts and tolerates the high humidity with no issues. Another advantage of the Mini-Paddle bracket is that the angle of the paddles with respect to the KX3 is infinitely adjustable with a friction-fit shaft. Very nice. I have used a friend's Begali Adventure with his KX3 and it is also very nice but quite a bit more expensive and doesn't mechanically mount to the KX3. Another friend who has a new KX2 just got delivery of his KXPD2 and loves it. I'm looking forward to trying it. Another excellent option is Larry Naumann's N?SA new mini-paddle. Larry retired from full-time paddle making a year or so ago but still does limited runs from time to time. Larry is a true craftsman and his paddles are a good value. So you have many options. Since paddles are very much an item of personal taste, it would be good if you could try before you buy. Based upon everything I know from personal experience and have heard, I think I'd lean toward the KXPD2, but a test drive would be the best route if you can find someone nearby with paddles that you're considering. Hope this helps. 73, BILL W4RK On Aug 1, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Sidney Frissell wrote: > Hi guys > I?m planning on buying a KX3 in the near future. Some time ago someone on the reflector said they thought the new KXPD2 paddles were better than the KXpd3 (less noisy I think he said.) Any pf you who have KX3?s and now also KX2 can now make that comparison. So what?s the verdict? Should I get the KXPD2 paddles with my KX3? I?d like to hear some opiinions pro or con. I am mostly a cw op. > > Thanks > > Sid Frissell, NZ7M > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to billgerth at embarqmail.com From billgerth at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 1 22:22:39 2016 From: billgerth at embarqmail.com (Bill Gerth) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 21:22:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles In-Reply-To: References: <467EB209-23CF-4C08-9606-0669DAC6DAC6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sid, My friend with the Begali Adventure just reminded me that it, in fact, is a hybrid in that it CAN be mounted mechanically to the KX3 (in the same position as the KXPD3) or not. In either case, the cable plugs into the key jack on the left side of the KX3. TNX to K9ZTV for keeping me well-informed. 73, BILL W4RK On Aug 1, 2016, at 9:01 PM, Bill Gerth wrote: > Sid, > > I have an early KX3 (S/N 112) and really like the KXPD3, except that it had contact issues in the high humidity environment that I encountered in summertime Missouri and Arkansas SOTA activations. I then went with the Palm Radio Mini-Paddle with a special bracket that mounts to the KX3 in the same position as the KXPD3. The Mini-Paddle has gold contacts and tolerates the high humidity with no issues. Another advantage of the Mini-Paddle bracket is that the angle of the paddles with respect to the KX3 is infinitely adjustable with a friction-fit shaft. Very nice. > > I have used a friend's Begali Adventure with his KX3 and it is also very nice but quite a bit more expensive and doesn't mechanically mount to the KX3. Another friend who has a new KX2 just got delivery of his KXPD2 and loves it. I'm looking forward to trying it. Another excellent option is Larry Naumann's N?SA new mini-paddle. Larry retired from full-time paddle making a year or so ago but still does limited runs from time to time. Larry is a true craftsman and his paddles are a good value. > > So you have many options. Since paddles are very much an item of personal taste, it would be good if you could try before you buy. Based upon everything I know from personal experience and have heard, I think I'd lean toward the KXPD2, but a test drive would be the best route if you can find someone nearby with paddles that you're considering. > > Hope this helps. > > 73, > BILL > W4RK > From lew at n6lew.us Mon Aug 1 22:27:07 2016 From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 21:27:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. In-Reply-To: <7b417c47-d80d-fd99-0637-a3538dceee5b@wi.rr.com> References: <000001d1eb9a$a1d692a0$e583b7e0$@biz> <7b417c47-d80d-fd99-0637-a3538dceee5b@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: I picked up one of these things at a local surplus store. Noisy as hell. Not a good idea. Lew N6LEW > On Aug 1, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Gary K9GS wrote: > > Or better yet, do what other SS amp manufacturer's are doing, use surplus HP Proliant server power supplies? Here's a 3KW one/50V for $30.00. There are warehouses full of these things available. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-ESP120-2950W-Power-Supply-226519-501-406424-001-253232-001/391114939625?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37577%26meid%3D7a666926576944989b8c1bc8c2e7ec53%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D122038440431 > > They have other current capacities available. These can be run in series or parallel too. > > Sure beats re-inventing the wheel. > > > On 8/1/2016 1:04 AM, Bob Nielsen wrote: >> Although it would add to the cost, building in a 12 to 60 volt DC-DC converter would avoid compromising the performance. >> >> 73, Bob N7XY >> >> On 7/31/16 7:15 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >>> Dan, the issue is producing more than 100 watts from a 12-volt supply without unacceptable levels of IMD. That's why Elecraft used a 60-volt power supply in the KPA500. >>> >>> If the gain restrictions are removed, Elecraft (and anyone else) could produce a 500 watt amplifier that worked from an exciter with any level of drive, even less than 1 watt. >>> >>> 73, Ron AC7AC >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dan Baker >>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 5:31 PM >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. >>> >>> Once the FCC removes the 15 dB gain limitation on amateur amplifiers *Petition for Rule Making* (*RM-11767* >>> ) Then Elecraft can build us a 12 volt version of the KPA500. That would give us the ability to run our KX?s as a very effective mobile rig. This would compliment Elecrafts theme of products much more than a legal limit amp, that really you can find anywhere. >>> >>> 73, Dan KM6CQ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to garyk9gs at wi.rr.com > > -- > 73, > > Gary K9GS > > Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org > Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com > CW Ops #1032 http://www.cwops.org > > ************************************************ > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lew at n6lew.us Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 Yaesu FT-7800 Lew at N6LEW.US www.n6lew.us Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart. From ron at cobi.biz Mon Aug 1 22:54:21 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 19:54:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? In-Reply-To: <8A9B5237-05E6-4015-A0A5-AA6537A78862@me.com> References: <0bb8c0c2-c318-f98d-8e04-73ff746fcd14@xs4all.nl> <004401d1ec3b$9fdafe90$df90fbb0$@biz> <8A9B5237-05E6-4015-A0A5-AA6537A78862@me.com> Message-ID: <007f01d1ec69$2ba48ae0$82eda0a0$@biz> Sorry Jim. What I was referring to were your words "I run my station in a HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas." I'm sure you realize that many Hams in that situation have antennas running along fences, even sometimes indoors, or short whips and loops on a balcony. It's good that it doesn't apply to you specifically but a great many Hams in an HOA/CCR environment must live with a "stealth" antenna systems like those. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Bennett Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 3:05 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? Huh????? How does my situation even closely border on producing ?ill effects?? This is NOT the situation here, so let?s set the record straight. 1) My stealthy wire doublet is 45 feet in the air. I experience ZERO RFI problems even at the 500 watt level. Nor do my neighbors, who I?ve asked several times if there are issues. 2) I would be interested to see what sort of person or animal is going to come into contact with an antenna at that height. Actually, maybe I don?t want to see - might be pretty scary sight. 3) Don?t know where my post mentioned whips or short wires. None here at this station. 4) True, but again, not here. My post simply was intended to convey my desire and reason why I do NOT want to run any more power than I already do, and any correlation of my installation to someone with a dipole five feet off the ground or experiencing RFI is off the mark. And not fully appreciated. > On Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at Monday, 2:28 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > ... A situation like Jim brings up would likely produce a number of ill effects such as: > > 1) Producing interference in many nearby pieces of equipment from Hi-Fi systems to DVRs, broadcast receivers, etc. > > 2) If the antenna is not carefully insulated and isolated, animals and people can receive very painful RF burns and in the extreme set fires. For those who have not experienced a severe RF burn, it instantly creates deep tissue damage that is very painful for days or weeks afterward. > > 3) Short antennas (whips, short wires, etc.) easily produce corona discharges at their ends that distorts the transmitted signal and creates broadband Hash across the ham bands. > > 4) It becomes very difficult to ensure people are not subjected to excessive RF exposure if the antenna is not up high and in the clear. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From ron at cobi.biz Mon Aug 1 23:01:05 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:01:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Some "No Code" background In-Reply-To: <9dd38e5e-d77a-e247-93d2-3d7dc5e38aa2@subich.com> References: <9dd38e5e-d77a-e247-93d2-3d7dc5e38aa2@subich.com> Message-ID: <008001d1ec6a$1c959a70$55c0cf50$@biz> Joe, W4TV wrote, " Perhaps it is time to review the basis and purpose behind amateur radio and move to a "national park" model. That is a place for those who have proven that they have the necessary skills to continue to practice those "ancient" and no longer commercially viable skills. Consider it the "primitive" areas of the National Parks." Isn't that 30 meters? I enjoy hanging out there. 73, Ron AC7AC From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Mon Aug 1 23:27:13 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:27:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <0df345a4-2dc6-5035-af8e-733749c4ed2f@cis-broadband.com> An amp helps tremendously on receive if the guy with the amp is on the other end of the QSO from you. And if you can't hear him you aren't going to make the contact. It has been said before many times, and I'm living proof of it ... an amplifier is the most cost effective way to improve the QSO rate for everyone that there is. If everyone used amplifiers it would be the equivalent of dropping the background QRN level by ten or more db ... a huge amount. And spare me the argument that QRM would increase (if everyone had amps) ...it wouldn't, because the water level would simply rise for everyone. Dave AB7E >> >> On 8/1/16 9:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: >>> I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help >>> receive. >>> [...] >>> >>> Just my view. >>> Jer > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Aug 1 23:34:38 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:34:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <0df345a4-2dc6-5035-af8e-733749c4ed2f@cis-broadband.com> References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> <0df345a4-2dc6-5035-af8e-733749c4ed2f@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <287821ef-7fdb-8dcc-9ed0-29123b3987ca@socal.rr.com> Re "And spare me the argument that QRM would increase (if everyone had amps) ...it wouldn't, because the water level would simply rise for everyone.": A Global Warming analogy, Dave? :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 8/1/16 8:27 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > An amp helps tremendously on receive if the guy > with the amp is on the other end of the QSO from > you. And if you can't hear him you aren't going > to make the contact. > > It has been said before many times, and I'm > living proof of it ... an amplifier is the most > cost effective way to improve the QSO rate for > everyone that there is. If everyone used > amplifiers it would be the equivalent of > dropping the background QRN level by ten or more > db ... a huge amount. And spare me the argument > that QRM would increase (if everyone had amps) > ...it wouldn't, because the water level would > simply rise for everyone. > > Dave AB7E > > > > >>> >>> On 8/1/16 9:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: >>>> I don't see the point of having a large power >>>> amp. It doesn't help receive. >>>> [...] >>>> >>>> Just my view. >>>> Jer From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Mon Aug 1 23:52:07 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 20:52:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp In-Reply-To: <0MKrvq-1bUJao1Jui-000AIj@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> <0MKrvq-1bUJao1Jui-000AIj@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: The gain/loss for antennas/feedline is immaterial ... it is there no matter whether you have an amp or not. The difference between 500 watts and 1500 watts is 4.77 db, which is huge if you're trying to work weak DX. Check out: http://www.ab7e.com/weak_signal/mdd.html Getting an additional 4.77 db out of different feedline is a ridiculous expectation unless you're currently using wet clothsline for feedline, and a used amp is almost always cheaper (and less obtrusive to the neighborhood assuming you don't overdrive it) than putting up a taller tower and bigger antennas. None of this has anything to do with whether or not Elecraft should produce a 1500 watt amplifier, but the idea that big amps aren't cost effective is a particularly silly argument for them to not build one. Dave AB7E On 8/1/2016 1:13 PM, Jerry More wrote: > We just differ in opinion and I?m happy for everyone to enjoy the hobby as they are able. The issues I see is where the Amateur code is broken. Just listen on DX pileups sometime and you?ll hear guys that really make us look bad as a community. > > About the only time I can imagine someone needing power is perhaps a DX station but that?s IF they can actually hear. > Doing the math I am probably missing something because I don?t see much of a gain from 500w to 1.5kw into the same antenna system. > From memory 500w to 1k is 3db and 1k to 1.5kw is 1.5 db, so 500w to 1.5kw is 4.5db > 6db is 1 S unit (from memory) so running a 1.5kw amp gives just less than 1 S unit. > > Now start factoring up the DB gain/loss for antennas/feedline. > > Which gives the best bang for the buck?? > > Maybe I?m just slow. Seems to me a nice, instant on 500w solid state with quality low loss feed line into a matched antenna should rock and roll. > > This thread should probably die. > > Enjoy the hobby as you wish. Just know any station who worked em with less power just owned you regardless of your budget ? > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Mike Markowski > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 2:03 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp > > Jer & Fred, > > You're right from a certain point of view. But also consider more > generally that it's about link budget; maximize gains, minimize losses. > How much of each a ham can do comes down to money & motivation within > lifestyle (& FCC!) constraints. > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > > On 08/01/2016 01:47 PM, Fred Moore wrote: >> I'm with you Jer.. >> >> I always wonder that some of you guys "cost/QSO" is.. it only a hobby, >> [...] >> >> Fred >> >> >> On 8/1/16 9:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: >>> I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help receive. >>> [...] >>> >>> Just my view. >>> Jer > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com From n5lz at comcast.net Mon Aug 1 23:54:59 2016 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 21:54:59 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPS3 vs. KXPD2 Message-ID: <000301d1ec71$a428ec60$ec7ac520$@comcast.net> KXPD3 vs. KXPD2? Paddle preference is of course a personal choice that will vary from individual to individual. I own a KX2, KX3, and a few K3s ?. And I also have the respective KXPD paddles. I consider the K3 to be a much better transceiver choice for use in the shack and I use a Begali Sculpture paddle with two of them in SO2R configuration?. It?s a wonderful paddle. I bought the KXes for portable operation only and, to me, that is where they really shine ? they?re each perfect for light travel, easy setup and hassle free operation using a minimum of extra gear and cables. To me, the KXPD paddles are the clear no-brainer choice for use with them ?. I didn?t even consider the Begali Expedition when it was offered ? partly because of the necessary extra cable ? but also because at the time I was perfectly happy with the KXPD3 and KX3. I?m talking about portable operation here ? sitting on a park bench, a car seat, a folding chair or a rock under a tree ?. Where comfort is nice to have but is definitely secondary ?. So the finite details of the paddle are not important. When the KX2 came along I used the KXPD3 at first and was happy with it ? but when the KXPD2 arrived later it immediately became my paddle of choice for both KX2 and KX3. It?s shorter, a bit lighter and easy to adjust ? but the biggest difference to me is that the paddles have beveled edges and are smoother to the touch when compared to the rather sharply formed KXPD3 paddles. I will take either one ? but I now prefer the KXPD2 for both radios?. And my favorite paddle is still the Begali Sculpture ? but I?m leaving it in the shack with the K3s .... not the KXes. Just one man?s opinion.. Don, N5LZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Sidney Frissell Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 7:12 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles Hi guys I?m planning on buying a KX3 in the near future. Some time ago someone on the reflector said they thought the new KXPD2 paddles were better than the KXpd3 (less noisy I think he said.) Any pf you who have KX3?s and now also KX2 can now make that comparison. So what?s the verdict? Should I get the KXPD2 paddles with my KX3? I?d like to hear some opiinions pro or con. I am mostly a cw op. Thanks Sid Frissell, NZ7M ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n5lz at comcast.net From frantz at pwpconsult.com Tue Aug 2 00:11:31 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 21:11:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and P3 cleaning - after action report Message-ID: With all the good advice about cleaning my equipment, I finally tackled the task. I first wiped the outside of the P3 with a damp cloth to remove the external dust. I then took it to the bench with its anti-static mat and wrist strap, and opened it up. I couldn't find any dust inside, so I called it good and closed it up again. I did the same with the K3. It actually had some detectable dust in the 100W amp section. I wiped that out with a damp rag and called it good. My conclusion is that the radios are quite well dust sealed, even if there isn't a spec for this aspect of their performance. Thanks to everyone who responded for your advice. I'm glad that heroic measures were not necessary. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Concurrency is hard. 12 out | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Aug 2 00:33:49 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 21:33:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. In-Reply-To: <782c3174-64f5-ec7b-d58f-cda7fb30bbd5@subich.com> References: <782c3174-64f5-ec7b-d58f-cda7fb30bbd5@subich.com> Message-ID: I'm not always on the same page as Joe, but this time I could not agree more. As someone who has measured the TX IMD of both my kit K3/100 and a factory built K3S/100 I can attest to this. First of all, they like every other manufacturer and the ARRL fudge the numbers by 6 dB (in their favor of course) by comparing one distortion product to the sum of the two tones. EIMAC and MIL-Specs say, "The standard method of specifying the magnitude of the distortion products is to specify the reduction in decibels of one product from one tone of a two-equal-tone signal." Elecraft isn't to be singled out for this, they are just doing what the ham industry is doing. One of several motivations for replacing a perfectly working K3 with the K3S was the hope that the FET PA would be cleaner than the bipolar PA in the K3. Big disappointment. One factor is the fact that it's still a nominal "12 V" PA. Another is that it's still driven by a bipolar "10 W" exciter. If some of you are using a bare K3/10 and running at greater than 10 W, shame on you. And shame on Elecraft for letting you do it. Based upon my measurements (which BTW correlated to 1 dB or less with Elecraft measurements) the IMD of the 10W PA above 10W is abysmal. So, no higher power "12 V" PAs please! Wes N7WS On 7/31/2016 6:43 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> Then Elecraft can build us a 12 volt version of the KPA500. > > Heaven help us, NO! The 12V amplifiers are marginally clean enough > at 100W. A 500W 12V amplifier is likely to have IMD be much poorer > than -30 dB PEP. What we really need is a 48V final for the K3/K3S > (maybe at 200W) so we can see IMD in the -45 dB to -50 dB PEP range > where it really should be. > > It's time to make a stand for cleaner signals ... not signals in the > same class as the "no name" Italian and Chinese amplifiers. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV From k6mr at outlook.com Tue Aug 2 01:32:05 2016 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 22:32:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. Message-ID: While making these changes would help, they pale in comparison to a SDR implemented pre-distortion system like Pure Signal. The big advantage will be that the entire transmit chain will be cleaned up as a system, rather than trying to deal with each box separately. Time to move into the 21st Century. Ken K6MR From: Wes Stewart Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 21:41 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. I'm not always on the same page as Joe, but this time I could not agree more. As someone who has measured the TX IMD of both my kit K3/100 and a factory built K3S/100 I can attest to this. First of all, they like every other manufacturer and the ARRL fudge the numbers by 6 dB (in their favor of course) by comparing one distortion product to the sum of the two tones. EIMAC and MIL-Specs say, "The standard method of specifying the magnitude of the distortion products is to specify the reduction in decibels of one product from one tone of a two-equal-tone signal." Elecraft isn't to be singled out for this, they are just doing what the ham industry is doing. One of several motivations for replacing a perfectly working K3 with the K3S was the hope that the FET PA would be cleaner than the bipolar PA in the K3. Big disappointment. One factor is the fact that it's still a nominal "12 V" PA. Another is that it's still driven by a bipolar "10 W" exciter. If some of you are using a bare K3/10 and running at greater than 10 W, shame on you. And shame on Elecraft for letting you do it. Based upon my measurements (which BTW correlated to 1 dB or less with Elecraft measurements) the IMD of the 10W PA above 10W is abysmal. So, no higher power "12 V" PAs please! Wes N7WS On 7/31/2016 6:43 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> Then Elecraft can build us a 12 volt version of the KPA500. > > Heaven help us, NO! The 12V amplifiers are marginally clean enough > at 100W. A 500W 12V amplifier is likely to have IMD be much poorer > than -30 dB PEP. What we really need is a 48V final for the K3/K3S > (maybe at 200W) so we can see IMD in the -45 dB to -50 dB PEP range > where it really should be. > > It's time to make a stand for cleaner signals ... not signals in the > same class as the "no name" Italian and Chinese amplifiers. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From eric at elecraft.com Tue Aug 2 03:11:30 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 21:11:30 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp: THREAD CLOSED In-Reply-To: References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com> <0MKrvq-1bUJao1Jui-000AIj@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: Folks, The 1500W threads were closed many hours ago due to their high volume. Please take the discussion off list for now. 73, Eric Moderator elecraft.com _..._ From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Aug 2 03:36:15 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 23:36:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp - etc. Message-ID: <201608020736.u727aGF5028690@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Thanks, Josh: Exactly where I am. Have no idea how many bucks spent to do eme. BTW this is one activity where more RF output is useful; I run a 8877 on 2m for 1400w, but only run the KXPA100 on HF-SSB. If doing digital modes (on HF) the 10w from my Elecraft radios is sufficient. I have four towers and a 16-foot dish (which maybe helps). I am converting a Harris TV linear to 6m hoping to get 1kW, but this is for meteor scatter and eme. 80w from my KXPA-100 worked a 6m mobile in the Yukon Territory 700 miles away this weekend. Of course the 30-foot long 6-element yagi helped (and I was using my KX3). Also worked into BC/WA/OR/UT/ID. Figure it was Auroral-E prop as there was some audio distortion on signals. If I wanted 1500w on HF I would buy the LDMOS kit from W6PQL. BTW I built my 8877, and 300w 1296 amps and converting two 50w amps for 3400-MHz eme. Instead of using CW as a qualifier for ham license maybe the ability to understand electronics and build your radio would be better. Oh, sorry that would result in a 90% drop in licensees, wouldn't it? If no-code had passed in 1959 when my Novice expired, I would have been a General class ham as I passed that written exam for my Technician license. I finally passed 13wpm in 1982 and now trying to get speed back in order to work some of the CW eme stations. Most of you wanting Elecraft to build you an amp have never been in business. Try launching a new ham product and you will gain new understanding. You (Elecraft users) asked for a 2m amplifier for the KX3-2M and I provided one for twelve of you (with my thanks for buying it). But no subsequent orders since then. Elecraft is probably glad they didn't sink a few thousand $ into that. I made enough to buy myself a KXPA-100 and a couple K3 Synth boards. Fortunately, I don't have a factory full of workers to support. Plenty of mfr's in both the QRO amp and VHF amp field for Elecraft to compete with, so they came out with the KX2 instead which is unique (smart business to my mind). K3s is probably nice, too! 73, Ed - KL7UW From: Josh Fiden To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed If cost per QSO were a concern, no one would ever work EME. Just sayin'. Back to waiting for this thread to die! 73, Josh W6XU 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From genebit at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 2 04:31:35 2016 From: genebit at bellsouth.net (genebit at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2016 08:31:35 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles Message-ID: <1616303121.24609.1470126685707.JavaMail.administrator@mjim.nabble.com> Mike, I also have the Adventure paddle. Could you possibly provide more information on the modification? This is the way Begali should have designed it... Thank you in advance. -Dave KW4M email genebit at bellsouth.net The Begali Adventure paddle is the way to go! I modified my key with a 4-pin plug purchased from Digikey that mounts and plugs in to the KX3 just like the KXPD3 does so there is no dangling cable that has to plug into the KEY jack on the left side of the radio. Mike AC6JA In a message dated 8/1/2016 6:17:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sidfrissell at gmail.com writes: Hi guys I?m planning on buying a KX3 in the near future. Some time ago someone on the reflector said they thought the new KXPD2 paddles were better than the KXpd3 (less noisy I think he said.) Any pf you who have KX3?s and now also KX2 can now make that comparison. So what?s the verdict? Should I get the KXPD2 paddles with my KX3? I?d like to hear some opiinions pro or con. I am mostly a cw op. Thanks Sid Frissell, NZ7M ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ac6ja at aol.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lists+1215531472858-365791 at n2.nabble.com Quoted from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX-Paddles-tp7621089p7621090.html _____________________________________ Sent from http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com From g at downs86.plus.com Tue Aug 2 06:52:08 2016 From: g at downs86.plus.com (Geoffrey Downs) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 11:52:08 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] - Wayne's Alter Ego In-Reply-To: <5AAB5134-0E32-4B52-B018-84CE57A45770@elecraft.com> References: <006701d1ebfb$ab819550$0284bff0$@carolinaheli.com><0D2E2D23-900B-411F-A807-22A9AA9BCA10@elecraft.com><005f01d1ec38$197e5b10$4c7b1130$@verizon.net> <5AAB5134-0E32-4B52-B018-84CE57A45770@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <56FAA64507F4425A93CC65D408646D4D@GeoffreyPC> You can do it Wayne - but later. I was a wannabe author for decades, then realised the ambition after I retired. I published my first novel last year under a pen name (William Coniston). It's for young people from 8 to 75+! See my QRZ.com page for details or check out Amazon: USA: http://tinyurl.com/WmConistonUSA UK: http://tinyurl.com/WmConiston Royalties help feed my Elecraft habit :) 73 to all Geoff G3UCK -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Burdick Sent: 2 August, 2016 12:07 AM To: N2TK, Tony Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp You do. My alter ego is a wannabe author. Unfortunately time is a zero-sum game (think Jake and his Avatar). Cloning would be a better solution, but it's not in my budget. Wayne --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jermo at carolinaheli.com Tue Aug 2 08:27:21 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 08:27:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? In-Reply-To: <004401d1ec3b$9fdafe90$df90fbb0$@biz> References: <0bb8c0c2-c318-f98d-8e04-73ff746fcd14@xs4all.nl> <004401d1ec3b$9fdafe90$df90fbb0$@biz> Message-ID: <01ab01d1ecb9$394652f0$abd2f8d0$@carolinaheli.com> Ron, you can't teach some people manners. Just like on the air you have to just ignore them until they get bored and go away. I'm not directing my statement to anyone specific so if you're offended by it then it probably fits. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 5:28 PM To: 'Elecraft Reflector Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? A serious mistake some antenna-limited Hams make is to try to make up for a poor antenna near the ground with more power. A situation like Jim brings up would likely produce a number of ill effects such as: 1) Producing interference in many nearby pieces of equipment from Hi-Fi systems to DVRs, broadcast receivers, etc. 2) If the antenna is not carefully insulated and isolated, animals and people can receive very painful RF burns and in the extreme set fires. For those who have not experienced a severe RF burn, it instantly creates deep tissue damage that is very painful for days or weeks afterward. 3) Short antennas (whips, short wires, etc.) easily produce corona discharges at their ends that distorts the transmitted signal and creates broadband Hash across the ham bands. 4) It becomes very difficult to ensure people are not subjected to excessive RF exposure if the antenna is not up high and in the clear. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Bennett Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 11:23 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? Wayne, if it turns out to be a survey, put me down for a NO vote. I run my station in a HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas. I?m surprised they don?t vaporize as it is with the 500 watts or so coming out of my KPA500 - on the rare occasions when I do run QRO! Jim / W6JHB (p.s. - and another reason for a no vote is that I?d be talking in a much higher tone if I told my XYL (KF6ZNT) if I was gonna buy a big buck amp!) > On Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at Monday, 9:55 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: > >> I think that crowdfunding a KPA1500 would help to get Elecraft going again on a big amp. >> Crowdfunding would also give a good indication on how many KPA1500's you could sell in the market as it is today. >> >> 73 >> Arie PA3A >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From lists at subich.com Tue Aug 2 08:45:19 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 08:45:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/2/2016 1:32 AM, Ken K6MR wrote: > While making these changes would help, they pale in comparison to a > SDR implemented pre-distortion system like Pure Signal. SDR based predistortion are most effective if the individual stages are as clean as possible. That means 24/48V amplifiers for power levels above 25 to 50 W and 60/100V devices for 500+W amplifiers. The issue relates to voltage clipping and current saturation. No amount of predistortion is going to clean up square waves. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From tony.kaz at verizon.net Tue Aug 2 09:52:53 2016 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2016 09:52:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] EC2 Clone (Was The 1500 watt amp) In-Reply-To: References: <1c588b69-d6e7-582a-ec39-be10f9bc1431@triconet.org> <66325D51-6A99-4A19-8719-EDC03920669F@elecraft.com> <1e8001d1ebfc$80e17440$82a45cc0$@wjschmidt.com> Message-ID: <005e01d1ecc5$2ae295a0$80a7c0e0$@verizon.net> Nice work. Definitely looks better than some of the prototype boxes I have had to make over the years. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes Stewart Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 6:26 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] EC2 Clone (Was The 1500 watt amp) Nice work! I too have built my own enclosures with similar techniques. A couple of my projects can be seen here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html#amp Although at the time I had access to a prototype workshop, I have done similar work at home with comparable results. If possible, I avoid bends. In all of this stuff I used 0.062" 6061-T6 material so it wasn't going to bend anyway. The harder alloy drills like a dream. For all of the corner joinery I used 3/8" square stock, 8/32 threads and stainless steel screws In the protoshop, I had access to a shear but all of the sheared edges were still smoothed by hand. I had a granite surface plate and used a vernier height gauge for layout so similar parts were interchangeable. In the home shop I lay out as carefully as possible and match drill on a drill press. Most people can't tell the difference. With a lot of elbow grease a hacksaw works, although after a lot of furniture building and finish sanding, I needed rotator cuff surgery so I don't do that anymore. With extreme care and I do mean extreme, a carbide toothed blade on a table saw will cut aluminum if it's thick enough and the blade has fine enough teeth. Otherwise I use a bandsaw, which is always safer, if less precise. In the protoshop I had access to chemical dip baths for passivating the aluminum, silver plating the RF parts and a panograph engraver for panel lettering. Silver looks nice, but is highly overrated as an RF conductor.* In the home shop, before the un-elected bureaucrats in DC decided we were too stupid to handle lye (judging by the electorate they may be right), I would etch aluminum in a lye bath, rinse and neutralize with vinegar and a final water rinse. This would yield a nice satin finish. The best I have found since is oven cleaner. Another finish, if you like the look, can be had by using a random-orbit sander Play with the grit until you find something you like. Sanding it wet with a little cutting oil can be fun, albeit messy, too. Tube amplifier still have their virtues and, along with antennas, can be great roll-your-own projects that can work better than what you can buy. Wes N7Ws * http://k6mhe.com/n7ws/Plating.pdf On 8/1/2016 9:36 AM, EricJ wrote: > If you can build whatever you want, you can easily build the > enclosure. Here is an EC2 clone I built last week in about 6 hours. I > made the side panels with a hacksaw, file and drill press. The front > panel I cut and formed with an inexpensive 8" shear/brake. This one is > branded Grizzly, but Harbor Freight has them as well. I didn't use the > Elecraft 2D fasteners because I only had 2 on hand and didn't want to > make a bunch of little fussy pieces. I used 4 long sections of 1/4" > square aluminum stock and drilled them with the same hole pattern as > the 2D fasteners. The front panel will get painted after I drill and punch it for the current project. > > https://flic.kr/p/KBivtc > > The smaller K1 enclosure is nearly the same design (slightly different > top > cover) so it scales down easily. It would scale up for a large amp > just as easily. The cost of the EC2-clone was about $4 in materials (0.080" and 0.050" > sheet and 1/4" bar stock). All can be built with a hacksaw, file and a > hand drill. A bandsaw and a drill press make it more precise. A > shear/brake makes it even easier. > > Eric KE6US ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From no9e at arrl.net Tue Aug 2 10:00:06 2016 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 07:00:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1470146406640-7621110.post@n2.nabble.com> 12 V PA would open a new type of portable operation. Call at 500W, conclude the contact at 100W or even 12 W if sufficient. Power for 500W short term could supplied by a few Li-ion batteries with superconductors. Perhaps 3 lb total. No more frustration at a campground.... But larger power brings new problems as antenna tuners are larger, and or resonant antennas limit band coverage. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/The-amp-I-would-like-to-see-Elecraft-build-tp7620988p7621110.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From alsopb at comcast.net Tue Aug 2 10:11:20 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2016 14:11:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57A0AA08.3030809@comcast.net> Of course if one sticks to CW this isn't necessary. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 8/2/2016 12:45 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > On 8/2/2016 1:32 AM, Ken K6MR wrote: > > While making these changes would help, they pale in comparison to a > > SDR implemented pre-distortion system like Pure Signal. > > SDR based predistortion are most effective if the individual stages > are as clean as possible. That means 24/48V amplifiers for power > levels above 25 to 50 W and 60/100V devices for 500+W amplifiers. > > The issue relates to voltage clipping and current saturation. No > amount of predistortion is going to clean up square waves. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net From lists at subich.com Tue Aug 2 10:25:33 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 10:25:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. In-Reply-To: <57A0AA08.3030809@comcast.net> References: <57A0AA08.3030809@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yes but CW (and FSK/RTTY) are dead according to the FCC and ARRL. Now its all modes that require linear amplification over at least 2.7 KHz. Better get used to it! 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/2/2016 10:11 AM, brian wrote: > Of course if one sticks to CW this isn't necessary. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > On 8/2/2016 12:45 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> On 8/2/2016 1:32 AM, Ken K6MR wrote: >> > While making these changes would help, they pale in comparison to a >> > SDR implemented pre-distortion system like Pure Signal. >> >> SDR based predistortion are most effective if the individual stages >> are as clean as possible. That means 24/48V amplifiers for power >> levels above 25 to 50 W and 60/100V devices for 500+W amplifiers. >> >> The issue relates to voltage clipping and current saturation. No >> amount of predistortion is going to clean up square waves. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w6jhb at me.com Tue Aug 2 10:56:29 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2016 07:56:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? In-Reply-To: <007f01d1ec69$2ba48ae0$82eda0a0$@biz> References: <0bb8c0c2-c318-f98d-8e04-73ff746fcd14@xs4all.nl> <004401d1ec3b$9fdafe90$df90fbb0$@biz> <8A9B5237-05E6-4015-A0A5-AA6537A78862@me.com> <007f01d1ec69$2ba48ae0$82eda0a0$@biz> Message-ID: <9487406B-FA5D-43E4-BFA5-1236145FAF4B@me.com> Ron, No offense taken - I understand your intentions for the reply. Low antennas are a formula for trouble if proper precautions aren't taken. Common sense "should" come into play, but we've all seen or heard of examples of hams so focused on the antenna itself, they fail to think about what might happen if it falls, someone touches it, etc. And who knows, maybe we'll meet on 30 meter CW - I hang out there quite a bit, too! 73, Jim Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Aug 1, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > Sorry Jim. What I was referring to were your words "I run my station in a HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas." > > I'm sure you realize that many Hams in that situation have antennas running along fences, even sometimes indoors, or short whips and loops on a balcony. > > It's good that it doesn't apply to you specifically but a great many Hams in an HOA/CCR environment must live with a "stealth" antenna systems like those. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Bennett > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 3:05 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? > > Huh????? How does my situation even closely border on producing ?ill effects?? This is NOT the situation here, so let?s set the record straight. > > 1) My stealthy wire doublet is 45 feet in the air. I experience ZERO RFI problems even at the 500 watt level. Nor do my neighbors, who I?ve asked several times if there are issues. > > 2) I would be interested to see what sort of person or animal is going to come into contact with an antenna at that height. Actually, maybe I don?t want to see - might be pretty scary sight. > > 3) Don?t know where my post mentioned whips or short wires. None here at this station. > > 4) True, but again, not here. > > My post simply was intended to convey my desire and reason why I do NOT want to run any more power than I already do, and any correlation of my installation to someone with a dipole five feet off the ground or experiencing RFI is off the mark. And not fully appreciated. > > >> On Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at Monday, 2:28 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> >> ... A situation like Jim brings up would likely produce a number of ill effects such as: >> >> 1) Producing interference in many nearby pieces of equipment from Hi-Fi systems to DVRs, broadcast receivers, etc. >> >> 2) If the antenna is not carefully insulated and isolated, animals and people can receive very painful RF burns and in the extreme set fires. For those who have not experienced a severe RF burn, it instantly creates deep tissue damage that is very painful for days or weeks afterward. >> >> 3) Short antennas (whips, short wires, etc.) easily produce corona discharges at their ends that distorts the transmitted signal and creates broadband Hash across the ham bands. >> >> 4) It becomes very difficult to ensure people are not subjected to excessive RF exposure if the antenna is not up high and in the clear. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz > From n5lz at comcast.net Tue Aug 2 11:35:31 2016 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 09:35:31 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD3 vs. KXPD2 Message-ID: <000001d1ecd3$813c43c0$83b4cb40$@comcast.net> Sorry ... I meant to say that I did not even consider the Begali Adventure (instead of Expedition as I wrote) .... with a portable radio it is much more important to me to have the smaller KXPDs that are fixed to the radio and have become part of it ... and are not encumbered with extra cables, etc. Don, N5LZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Butler Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 9:55 PM To: 'Sidney Frissell'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KXPS3 vs. KXPD2 KXPD3 vs. KXPD2? Paddle preference is of course a personal choice that will vary from individual to individual. I own a KX2, KX3, and a few K3s ?. And I also have the respective KXPD paddles. I consider the K3 to be a much better transceiver choice for use in the shack and I use a Begali Sculpture paddle with two of them in SO2R configuration?. It?s a wonderful paddle. I bought the KXes for portable operation only and, to me, that is where they really shine ? they?re each perfect for light travel, easy setup and hassle free operation using a minimum of extra gear and cables. To me, the KXPD paddles are the clear no-brainer choice for use with them ?. I didn?t even consider the Begali Expedition when it was offered ? partly because of the necessary extra cable ? but also because at the time I was perfectly happy with the KXPD3 and KX3. I?m talking about portable operation here ? sitting on a park bench, a car seat, a folding chair or a rock under a tree ?. Where comfort is nice to have but is definitely secondary ?. So the finite details of the paddle are not important. When the KX2 came along I used the KXPD3 at first and was happy with it ? but when the KXPD2 arrived later it immediately became my paddle of choice for both KX2 and KX3. It?s shorter, a bit lighter and easy to adjust ? but the biggest difference to me is that the paddles have beveled edges and are smoother to the touch when compared to the rather sharply formed KXPD3 paddles. I will take either one ? but I now prefer the KXPD2 for both radios?. And my favorite paddle is still the Begali Sculpture ? but I?m leaving it in the shack with the K3s .... not the KXes. Just one man?s opinion.. Don, N5LZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Sidney Frissell Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 7:12 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles Hi guys I?m planning on buying a KX3 in the near future. Some time ago someone on the reflector said they thought the new KXPD2 paddles were better than the KXpd3 (less noisy I think he said.) Any pf you who have KX3?s and now also KX2 can now make that comparison. So what?s the verdict? Should I get the KXPD2 paddles with my KX3? I?d like to hear some opiinions pro or con. I am mostly a cw op. Thanks Sid Frissell, NZ7M ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n5lz at comcast.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n5lz at comcast.net From wmgoins at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 11:35:58 2016 From: wmgoins at gmail.com (Michael Goins) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 10:35:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] REVISED/NEW LIST W5HNS SK Message-ID: If interested, I'm still disposing of the station of my Elmer, Henry, W5HNS for his XYL. I've added some new items and reduced the price on others. Please contact me off list. Thanks. Michael Goins, k5wmg Professor, English Northwest Vista College From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Aug 2 12:24:54 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 09:24:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. In-Reply-To: <57A0AA08.3030809@comcast.net> References: <57A0AA08.3030809@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7cc5eecb-5000-6a4e-287b-3935d215069f@audiosystemsgroup.com> FALSE. CW is 100% modulation of a carrier by a rectangular wave, and that modulation, like ANY amplitude modulation, produces sidebands, which will excite distortion in a non-linear amplifier. I don't know enough about Warren's Pure Signal system to know if it could be used on CW. IM sidebands can be clearly seen in the display of a CW signal on a P3. 73, Jim K9YC On Tue,8/2/2016 7:11 AM, brian wrote: > Of course if one sticks to CW this isn't necessary. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > On 8/2/2016 12:45 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> On 8/2/2016 1:32 AM, Ken K6MR wrote: >> > While making these changes would help, they pale in comparison to a >> > SDR implemented pre-distortion system like Pure Signal. >> >> SDR based predistortion are most effective if the individual stages >> are as clean as possible. That means 24/48V amplifiers for power >> levels above 25 to 50 W and 60/100V devices for 500+W amplifiers. From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Aug 2 13:20:26 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2016 09:20:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. Message-ID: <201608021720.u72HKRa6002759@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> I am going to use one of these HP switching 50v PS to supply my Harris TV amp conversion to 6m. Several others are using this PS for this application. Use of Ferrite cores filter switching noise: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/HarrisAmps.htm 73, Ed - KL7UW I paid $30 including shipping for the PS From: Lewis Phelps To: Elecraft Mailing List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The amp I would like to see Elecraft build. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I picked up one of these things at a local surplus store. Noisy as hell. Not a good idea. Lew N6LEW > On Aug 1, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Gary K9GS wrote: > > Or better yet, do what other SS amp manufacturer's are doing, use surplus HP Proliant server power supplies? Here's a 3KW one/50V for $30.00. There are warehouses full of these things available. snipped----------- 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From ai6ii at comcast.net Tue Aug 2 13:30:49 2016 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 10:30:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] internal 144MHz xvrtr - no output STRANGE BEHAVIOR In-Reply-To: <855C863D-6D4C-4DBB-9583-FAA44E64AA99@gmail.com> References: <1469363395172-7620622.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469366758939-7620623.post@n2.nabble.com> <855C863D-6D4C-4DBB-9583-FAA44E64AA99@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1470159049092-7621118.post@n2.nabble.com> I successfully replaced the antenna TMP jack on the K144XV and it seemed to be working. However, I soon found while I had indeed repaired the jack, the xvrtr would sometimes work and then at other times produce no output at all. After some more controlled tests (change coax patch cables, cables, etc.) I finally was able to recreate the problem at will. It turns out when the K3 is tuned to the 144 MHz band, the xvrtr works, displaying 10 watts output on my external PWR meter. But as several seconds go by, it starts to lose output until it goes down to zero. Left on the 2 meter band, the power never comes back. But if I change the K3 to another band, say 3.5 MHz, in a matter of a couple of minutes the xvrtr revives itself and I can get full output on the 144 band again. Then it slowly loses power whether or not I am transmitting. So just having the K3 on the 2 meter band causes the xvrtr to somehow lose output, not even having to transmit. I installed the K144XV in February of 2014 but never actually used it because I never heard a signal on 2 meters CW or SSB in this area. I recently installed a FM filter, and decided to start using the xvrtr on local repeaters. That is when I discovered the problem. Anyone else have this experience? I have reloaded the K3 (v. 5.50) and K144XV (v. 104) firmware without any improvement. I am getting ready to send the xvrtr to Elecraft. Any reason I should send in the K3 as well? The K3 shows no change in operation during all of this. Thanks 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-internal-144NHz-xvrtr-no-output-tp7620622p7621118.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jermo at carolinaheli.com Tue Aug 2 14:13:11 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 14:13:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and P3 cleaning - after action report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Get Rose to make some covers for you. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 2, 2016, at 12:11 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > > With all the good advice about cleaning my equipment, I finally tackled the task. I first wiped the outside of the P3 with a damp cloth to remove the external dust. I then took it to the bench with its anti-static mat and wrist strap, and opened it up. I couldn't find any dust inside, so I called it good and closed it up again. > > I did the same with the K3. It actually had some detectable dust in the 100W amp section. I wiped that out with a damp rag and called it good. > > My conclusion is that the radios are quite well dust sealed, even if there isn't a spec for this aspect of their performance. > > Thanks to everyone who responded for your advice. I'm glad that heroic measures were not necessary. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | Concurrency is hard. 12 out | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | - Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From mbaileycrna at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 14:27:36 2016 From: mbaileycrna at gmail.com (Morgan Bailey) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 13:27:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Endless Amplifier Posts Message-ID: Back to the endless amp forum posts. *The Plain Truth* Better antennas = better communication. Transmit antennas are not always be best antennas for reception. Propagation determines communications. Power has little to do with propagation when it is in your favor. If you cant hear them you cant work them. And even then, if you can hear them many times, propagation is not 2 way. Having a 1500 watt signal on the air has nothing to do with being able to hear who is hearing you. Otherwise, your just QRM. Alligator syndrome. RFI from 1500 watts, Near Field interference, Electrical energy cost are all added problems of excessive power. Water soaked Coax with poor antenna installation with negative 12 db loss takes 1500 watts to 100 watts on a 100 ft run, using, 100 watts going down to 1/2 watt, you can still talk because: QRP works! A 1500 watt amplifier is not going to make you a better operator. Many amps today that are being produced over seas have tetrode finals that will put out 2500 watts easily, check your coax at the frequency that you want to run and you may be in for a surprise. If you swr is greater than near unity, you may have problems with the reflected power melting down the foam by heat and creating more loss. With an amp you have to have resonant antennas, you don't want RF in the shack. And at that power level antenna tuners become a very effective Ozone generator, keeps you shack smelling nice and fresh but it does not do much for your finals and spark gap was outlawed quite some time back. I have a 1.2 kw amp and run it at 450 to 500 watts, why, because it puts me in a contest class that I can be competitive in because I don't have 6 towers with stacked beams. Hell I don't even have a beam, just a good vertical and made 1500 QSO in CQWW WPX, from the middle of the USA, Kansas. I do have a NCC1 Dxengineering 2 antenna receiving array that I put up for contests only. But, on the other hand, I run CW and CW gets through 599 with 100 watts where the same would take 15000 watts on SSB for the same arm chair communication. The cheapest way to communicate with less power is painful for some, but the truth is always painful when you take the easy way out. Drum Roll, Learn CW My 2 cents, and add that to 3$ and you might be able to get a good cup of coffee or a good sized can or Monster III. Vy 73, Morgan NJ8M From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 15:34:19 2016 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 21:34:19 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Endless Amplifier Posts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bravo ! Best read in this thread. 73, F5VJC On 2 August 2016 at 20:27, Morgan Bailey wrote: > Back to the endless amp forum posts. > > *The Plain Truth* > > Better antennas = better communication. > Transmit antennas are not always be best antennas for reception. > Propagation determines communications. > > Power has little to do with propagation when it is in your favor. > > If you cant hear them you cant work them. And even then, if you can hear > them many times, propagation is not 2 way. > > Having a 1500 watt signal on the air has nothing to do with being able to > hear who is hearing you. Otherwise, your just QRM. Alligator syndrome. > > RFI from 1500 watts, Near Field interference, Electrical energy cost are > all added problems of excessive power. > > Water soaked Coax with poor antenna installation with negative 12 db > loss takes 1500 watts to 100 watts on a 100 ft run, using, 100 watts going > down to 1/2 watt, you can still talk because: QRP works! > > A 1500 watt amplifier is not going to make you a better operator. > Many amps today that are being produced over seas have tetrode finals that > will put out 2500 watts easily, check your coax at the frequency that you > want to run and you may be in for a surprise. If you swr is greater than > near unity, you may have problems with the reflected power melting down the > foam by heat and creating more loss. With an amp you have to have resonant > antennas, you don't want RF in the shack. And at that power level antenna > tuners become a very effective Ozone generator, keeps you shack smelling > nice and fresh but it does not do much for your finals and spark gap was > outlawed quite some time back. > > I have a 1.2 kw amp and run it at 450 to 500 watts, why, because it puts me > in a contest class that I can be competitive in because I don't have 6 > towers with stacked beams. Hell I don't even have a beam, just a good > vertical and made 1500 QSO in CQWW WPX, from the middle of the USA, Kansas. > I do have a NCC1 Dxengineering 2 antenna receiving array that I put up for > contests only. But, on the other hand, I run CW and CW gets through 599 > with 100 watts where the same would take 15000 watts on SSB for the same > arm chair communication. > > The cheapest way to communicate with less power is painful for some, but > the truth is always painful when you take the easy way out. > > Drum Roll, > > Learn CW > > My 2 cents, and add that to 3$ and you might be able to get a good cup of > coffee or a good sized can or Monster III. > > Vy 73, > > Morgan NJ8M > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Aug 2 16:05:40 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 13:05:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD3 vs. KXPD2 In-Reply-To: <000001d1ecd3$813c43c0$83b4cb40$@comcast.net> References: <000001d1ecd3$813c43c0$83b4cb40$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Don, The Adventure can be mounted to the rig (Begali has an adapter), and some have even added a plug like the one on the KXPD2/3. I use the Adventure on my KX3. But after receiving my KXPD2 I find it to be a fine key, not as adjustable as the Adventure but great for my purposes. I tried another owners KXPD3 and did not particularly like its feel -- but I'm very pleased with my KXPD2. If not for the Adventure I'd buy a second KXPD2 for my KX3! In fact I may do that and sell the Adventure. 73, Phil W7OX On 8/2/16 8:35 AM, Don Butler wrote: > Sorry ... I meant to say that I did not even consider the Begali Adventure (instead of Expedition as I wrote) .... with a portable radio it is much more important to me to have the smaller KXPDs that are fixed to the radio and have become part of it ... and are not encumbered with extra cables, etc. > > Don, N5LZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Butler > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 9:55 PM > To: 'Sidney Frissell'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] KXPS3 vs. KXPD2 > > KXPD3 vs. KXPD2? > Paddle preference is of course a personal choice that will vary from individual to individual. I own a KX2, KX3, and a few K3s ?. And I also have the respective KXPD paddles. I consider the K3 to be a much better transceiver choice for use in the shack and I use a Begali Sculpture paddle with two of them in SO2R configuration?. It?s a wonderful paddle. > > I bought the KXes for portable operation only and, to me, that is where they really shine ? they?re each perfect for light travel, easy setup and hassle free operation using a minimum of extra gear and cables. To me, the KXPD paddles are the clear no-brainer choice for use with them ?. I didn?t even consider the Begali Expedition when it was offered ? partly because of the necessary extra cable ? but also because at the time I was perfectly happy with the KXPD3 and KX3. I?m talking about portable operation here ? sitting on a park bench, a car seat, a folding chair or a rock under a tree ?. Where comfort is nice to have but is definitely secondary ?. So the finite details of the paddle are not important. > > When the KX2 came along I used the KXPD3 at first and was happy with it ? but when the KXPD2 arrived later it immediately became my paddle of choice for both KX2 and KX3. It?s shorter, a bit lighter and easy to adjust ? but the biggest difference to me is that the paddles have beveled edges and are smoother to the touch when compared to the rather sharply formed KXPD3 paddles. I will take either one ? but I now prefer the KXPD2 for both radios?. And my favorite paddle is still the Begali Sculpture ? but I?m leaving it in the shack with the K3s .... not the KXes. > > Just one man?s opinion.. > > Don, N5LZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Sidney Frissell > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 7:12 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles > > Hi guys > I?m planning on buying a KX3 in the near future. Some time ago someone on the reflector said they thought the new KXPD2 paddles were better than the KXpd3 (less noisy I think he said.) Any pf you who have KX3?s and now also KX2 can now make that comparison. So what?s the verdict? Should I get the KXPD2 paddles with my KX3? I?d like to hear some opiinions pro or con. I am mostly a cw op. > > Thanks > > Sid Frissell, NZ7M From 2mysystem at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 17:38:11 2016 From: 2mysystem at gmail.com (Chas H) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 16:38:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HF Email / Messaging options? Message-ID: This isn't Elecraft-specific but I do use my KX3 for this. I am looking into EMCOMM email and message store/forward systems. I am already using Winlink on HF with both the Winmor protocol and an SCS PTC Pactor modem and those are working FB. I am considering putting up an HF BBS-like system that multiple users could use to store (and possibly forward) messages between multiple users. I used to do packet on VHF/UHF 20 or so years ago but have never done HF packet, Amtor, etc. and wondered what options there are today? My goal is to build 3 or 4 HF turnkey systems using low-cost HF transceivers, modems or ?, simple portable antennas, etc. The lighter/smaller/more agile the better. Any suggestions for a simple message system using efficient protocols on HF? And, based on the success of this research, I might look into providing systems to deploy in the bush for remote missionaries, etc. Any suggestions or direction to existing systems (keeping low budgets in mind) would be appreciated. Thx + 73, Charlie K0CKH From w4grj at satterfield.org Tue Aug 2 17:44:38 2016 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (w4grj) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2016 17:44:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] HF Email / Messaging options? Message-ID: Suggest you go to the winlink forumJackW4GRJ Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Chas H <2mysystem at gmail.com> Date: 8/2/16 17:38 (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] HF Email / Messaging options? This isn't Elecraft-specific but I do use my KX3 for this. I am looking into EMCOMM email and message store/forward systems. I am already using Winlink on HF with both the Winmor protocol and an SCS PTC Pactor modem and those are working FB. I am considering putting up an HF BBS-like system that multiple users could use to store (and possibly forward) messages between multiple users. I used to do packet on VHF/UHF 20 or so years ago but have never done HF packet, Amtor, etc. and wondered what options there are today? My goal is to build 3 or 4 HF turnkey systems using low-cost HF transceivers, modems or ?, simple portable antennas, etc.? The lighter/smaller/more agile the better. Any suggestions for a simple message system using efficient protocols on HF? And, based on the success of this research, I might look into providing systems to deploy in the bush for remote missionaries, etc.? Any suggestions or direction to existing systems (keeping low budgets in mind) would be appreciated. Thx + 73, Charlie K0CKH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4grj at satterfield.org From AC6JA at aol.com Tue Aug 2 17:53:22 2016 From: AC6JA at aol.com (AC6JA at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 17:53:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: KX Paddles Message-ID: <4a9c0f.5a580cf1.44d27052@aol.com> ____________________________________ From: AC6JA at aol.com To: w2kj at bellsouth.net Sent: 8/1/2016 8:18:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: Re: [Elecraft] KX Paddles Yes. The digikey part that I purchased is: http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=S5555-ND I just straightened out the pins, wrapped the wires around the pins and soldered and shrink-wrapped the wires for protection. I used a twisted pair with a ground shield. I ohmed out the pinouts from my KXPD3 key and hooked up my Begali Adventure the same way. You need to be careful though that the Begali Adventure mounting bracket doesn't put any undue strain on the Digikey connector where it attaches to the KX3. You may need to shave off a little of the plastic as the Begali mounting bracket is slightly larger then the KXPD3. I am SOOOO much happier now with the way the Begali connects to the KX3 and it is such a better key with a much better operating angle than the KXPD3. Let me know if you need any additional information or have any other questions. Thanks. Mike AC6JA In a message dated 8/1/2016 7:29:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, w2kj at bellsouth.net writes: Howdy Mike: That mod for the Adventure paddle is certainly one I would love to know about plus it would make a great article for the QRP Quarterly. Do you have any info on how to do the mod? Many thanks. 73, Joe W2KJ On Aug 1, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Mike Hagele AC6JA via Elecraft wrote: > The Begali Adventure paddle is the way to go! > I modified my key with a 4-pin plug purchased from Digikey that mounts and > plugs in to the KX3 just like the KXPD3 does so there is no dangling cable > that has to plug into the KEY jack on the left side of the radio. > > Mike AC6JA > > > In a message dated 8/1/2016 6:17:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > sidfrissell at gmail.com writes: > > Hi guys > I?m planning on buying a KX3 in the near future. Some time ago someone on > the reflector said they thought the new KXPD2 paddles were better than > the KXpd3 (less noisy I think he said.) Any pf you who have KX3?s and now > also KX2 can now make that comparison. So what?s the verdict? Should I get > the KXPD2 paddles with my KX3? I?d like to hear some opiinions pro or > con. I am mostly a cw op. > > Thanks > > Sid Frissell, NZ7M From n7xy at n7xy.net Tue Aug 2 18:53:20 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 15:53:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: KX Paddles In-Reply-To: <4a9c0f.5a580cf1.44d27052@aol.com> References: <4a9c0f.5a580cf1.44d27052@aol.com> Message-ID: <9d169d95-9ff8-0d56-631f-7735e33e9c6d@n7xy.net> For the benefit of those of us without a KXPD3 could you please provide the pinout information. 73, Bob N7XY On 8/2/16 2:53 PM, Mike Hagele AC6JA via Elecraft wrote: > > > > ____________________________________ > From: AC6JA at aol.com > To: w2kj at bellsouth.net > Sent: 8/1/2016 8:18:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time > Subj: Re: [Elecraft] KX Paddles > > > Yes. > The digikey part that I purchased is: > > http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=S5555-ND > > I just straightened out the pins, wrapped the wires around the pins and > soldered and shrink-wrapped the wires for protection. > I used a twisted pair with a ground shield. > I ohmed out the pinouts from my KXPD3 key and hooked up my Begali > Adventure the same way. > You need to be careful though that the Begali Adventure mounting bracket > doesn't put any undue strain on the Digikey connector where it attaches to > the KX3. > You may need to shave off a little of the plastic as the Begali mounting > bracket is slightly larger then the KXPD3. > I am SOOOO much happier now with the way the Begali connects to the KX3 > and it is such a better key with a much better operating angle than the KXPD3. > Let me know if you need any additional information or have any other > questions. > Thanks. > > Mike AC6JA > > > > In a message dated 8/1/2016 7:29:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > w2kj at bellsouth.net writes: > > Howdy Mike: > > That mod for the Adventure paddle is certainly one I would love to know > about plus it would make a great article for the QRP Quarterly. > > Do you have any info on how to do the mod? > > Many thanks. > > 73, Joe W2KJ > > On Aug 1, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Mike Hagele AC6JA via Elecraft wrote: > >> The Begali Adventure paddle is the way to go! >> I modified my key with a 4-pin plug purchased from Digikey that mounts > and >> plugs in to the KX3 just like the KXPD3 does so there is no dangling > cable >> that has to plug into the KEY jack on the left side of the radio. >> >> Mike AC6JA >> >> >> In a message dated 8/1/2016 6:17:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> sidfrissell at gmail.com writes: >> >> Hi guys >> I?m planning on buying a KX3 in the near future. Some time ago someone > on >> the reflector said they thought the new KXPD2 paddles were better than >> the KXpd3 (less noisy I think he said.) Any pf you who have KX3?s and > now >> also KX2 can now make that comparison. So what?s the verdict? > Should I get >> the KXPD2 paddles with my KX3? I?d like to hear some opiinions pro or >> con. I am mostly a cw op. >> >> Thanks >> >> Sid Frissell, NZ7M > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net From billincolo73 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 19:22:00 2016 From: billincolo73 at gmail.com (Bill Leonard N0CU) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 16:22:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Where is the K3s setup for JT65 info? Message-ID: <1470180120970-7621127.post@n2.nabble.com> I saw this info on one of the websites a few weeks back but I can't find it. Thanks, Bill N0CU -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Where-is-the-K3s-setup-for-JT65-info-tp7621127.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Tue Aug 2 20:03:04 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2016 17:03:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Where is the K3s setup for JT65 info? In-Reply-To: <1470180120970-7621127.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470180120970-7621127.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: What didja need to know? I use my K3s regularly on JT65B (all via USB) Ken At 04:22 PM 8/2/2016, Bill Leonard N0CU wrote: >I saw this info on one of the websites a few weeks back but I can't find it. > >Thanks, > >Bill N0CU > > > >-- >View this message in context: >http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Where-is-the-K3s-setup-for-JT65-info-tp7621127.html >Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Aug 2 20:08:21 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 17:08:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Where is the K3s setup for JT65 info? In-Reply-To: <20160803000437.CE904149B4EE@mailman.qth.net> References: <1470180120970-7621127.post@n2.nabble.com> <20160803000437.CE904149B4EE@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <2B3F6D3C-83A6-46AE-B0D5-958E1D7BB449@wunderwood.org> DATA is the preferred mode for digital modes. It turns off EQ, compression, and other things that can corrupt a digital signal. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 2, 2016, at 5:03 PM, Ken Arck wrote: > > What didja need to know? > > I use my K3s regularly on JT65B (all via USB) > > Ken > > > > At 04:22 PM 8/2/2016, Bill Leonard N0CU wrote: >> I saw this info on one of the websites a few weeks back but I can't find it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bill N0CU >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Where-is-the-K3s-setup-for-JT65-info-tp7621127.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ken at arcomcontrollers.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > President and CTO - Arcom Communications > Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. > http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ > Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and > we offer complete repeater packages! > AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 > http://www.irlp.net > "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From n7xy at n7xy.net Tue Aug 2 20:13:36 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 17:13:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Begali Adventure paddle on KX2 Message-ID: <7628e648-8617-a171-e592-bdf8bcfc3293@n7xy.net> The Adventure paddle, when mounted to the KX2 with the Begali KX3 bracket, is tilted upward from horizontal when the KX2 tilt leg is in position and the levers are somewhat higher than desired. I was discussing this with Lyle, KK7P, and he suggested that if the leg were one inch longer, the paddle would be horizontal. This would also raise the display a bit, making it easier to read. Bob, N7XY From brian at brianlinn.com Tue Aug 2 21:29:25 2016 From: brian at brianlinn.com (Brian J. Linn) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 20:29:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Amplifier Combiner Message-ID: <00da01d1ed26$792827f0$6b7877d0$@com> All: Does anyone know of a combiner that could be used to combine either 2 or 3 KPA500 amplifiers? 73, Brian - KD0HII From dpbunte at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 21:43:30 2016 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 21:43:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Amplifier Combiner In-Reply-To: <00da01d1ed26$792827f0$6b7877d0$@com> References: <00da01d1ed26$792827f0$6b7877d0$@com> Message-ID: Acom makes a combiner. Dave - K9FN On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Brian J. Linn wrote: > All: > > > > Does anyone know of a combiner that could be used to combine either 2 or 3 > KPA500 amplifiers? > > > > 73, > > > > Brian - KD0HII > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From hlstephenson at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 22:06:34 2016 From: hlstephenson at gmail.com (Howard Stephenson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 19:06:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Where is the K3s setup for JT65 info? Message-ID: < https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-yBKo9Fr1NmwG4AaV0jiI6LbtiMysYGVLPqw2LDG8kM/pub > 73, Howard Stephenson K6IA From john at kk9a.com Tue Aug 2 22:33:16 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 22:33:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Amplifier Combiner Message-ID: <005901d1ed2f$646e6fa0$2d4b4ee0$@com> It does not make financial sense to combine two or three KPA500s using a commercial combiner that costs thousands of dollars. SPE Expert makes a two amp combiner and Acom has one that will combine three amps. I believe that there are also some combiner boards available on eBay. The KPA500 is a very nice amp however if you really desire more power you are probably better off looking elsewhere, at least until the KPA1500 becomes available :) John KK9A Brian J. Linn brian at brianlinn.com Tue Aug 2 21:29:25 EDT 2016 Previous message (by thread): [Elecraft] Begali Adventure paddle on KX2 Next message (by thread): [Elecraft] KPA500 Amplifier Combiner Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] All: Does anyone know of a combiner that could be used to combine either 2 or 3 KPA500 amplifiers? 73, Brian - KD0HII From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com Tue Aug 2 22:41:27 2016 From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 21:41:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Amplifier Combiner In-Reply-To: <005901d1ed2f$646e6fa0$2d4b4ee0$@com> References: <005901d1ed2f$646e6fa0$2d4b4ee0$@com> Message-ID: <0fbbb11a-3847-3073-d2cd-3749f5fea664@wi.rr.com> I saw the prototype in May..it looks really nice. http://www.flexradio.com/amateur-products/amplifier/ On 8/2/2016 9:33 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > It does not make financial sense to combine two or three KPA500s using a > commercial combiner that costs thousands of dollars. SPE Expert makes a two > amp combiner and Acom has one that will combine three amps. I believe that > there are also some combiner boards available on eBay. The KPA500 is a very > nice amp however if you really desire more power you are probably better off > looking elsewhere, at least until the KPA1500 becomes available :) > > John KK9A > > > Brian J. Linn brian at brianlinn.com > Tue Aug 2 21:29:25 EDT 2016 > Previous message (by thread): [Elecraft] Begali Adventure paddle on KX2 > Next message (by thread): [Elecraft] KPA500 Amplifier Combiner > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > All: > > > > Does anyone know of a combiner that could be used to combine either 2 or 3 > KPA500 amplifiers? > > > > 73, > > > > Brian - KD0HII > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to garyk9gs at wi.rr.com > -- 73, Gary K9GS Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com CW Ops #1032 http://www.cwops.org ************************************************ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Aug 3 01:31:03 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 22:31:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Endless Amplifier Posts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7635d82d-da2a-be50-8da3-7b562e78df56@triconet.org> I know it's the political season, so there's a lot of this going around, but the plain truth is just a bunch of bafflegab. On 8/2/2016 11:27 AM, Morgan Bailey wrote: > Back to the endless amp forum posts. > > *The Plain Truth* > > Better antennas = better communication. > Transmit antennas are not always be best antennas for reception. > Propagation determines communications. > > Power has little to do with propagation when it is in your favor. > > If you cant hear them you cant work them. And even then, if you can hear > them many times, propagation is not 2 way. > > Having a 1500 watt signal on the air has nothing to do with being able to > hear who is hearing you. Otherwise, your just QRM. Alligator syndrome. > > RFI from 1500 watts, Near Field interference, Electrical energy cost are > all added problems of excessive power. > > Water soaked Coax with poor antenna installation with negative 12 db > loss takes 1500 watts to 100 watts on a 100 ft run, using, 100 watts going > down to 1/2 watt, you can still talk because: QRP works! > > A 1500 watt amplifier is not going to make you a better operator. > Many amps today that are being produced over seas have tetrode finals that > will put out 2500 watts easily, check your coax at the frequency that you > want to run and you may be in for a surprise. If you swr is greater than > near unity, you may have problems with the reflected power melting down the > foam by heat and creating more loss. With an amp you have to have resonant > antennas, you don't want RF in the shack. And at that power level antenna > tuners become a very effective Ozone generator, keeps you shack smelling > nice and fresh but it does not do much for your finals and spark gap was > outlawed quite some time back. > > I have a 1.2 kw amp and run it at 450 to 500 watts, why, because it puts me > in a contest class that I can be competitive in because I don't have 6 > towers with stacked beams. Hell I don't even have a beam, just a good > vertical and made 1500 QSO in CQWW WPX, from the middle of the USA, Kansas. > I do have a NCC1 Dxengineering 2 antenna receiving array that I put up for > contests only. But, on the other hand, I run CW and CW gets through 599 > with 100 watts where the same would take 15000 watts on SSB for the same > arm chair communication. > > The cheapest way to communicate with less power is painful for some, but > the truth is always painful when you take the easy way out. > > Drum Roll, > > Learn CW > > My 2 cents, and add that to 3$ and you might be able to get a good cup of > coffee or a good sized can or Monster III. > > Vy 73, > > Morgan NJ8M From egrimseid at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 03:02:13 2016 From: egrimseid at gmail.com (Erlend Grimseid) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 09:02:13 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] HF Email / Messaging options? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also PSKmail (www.pskmail.org) could work for your purpose. Source code is available for adapting and tuning the software for your needs if your into Linux programming. For light weight portable HF messaging its great. I'ts also an mobile app with the most important functions. It does pop3 email, p2p messaging, aprs on hf, twitter, web page fetching,+++ Backbone is on 30m and i use it with my android phone and kx3. An full size 30m GP antenna on an 10m mast. 73 LA4TTA Erlend 2016-08-02 23:44 GMT+02:00 w4grj : > > > Suggest you go to the winlink forumJackW4GRJ > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > -------- Original message --------From: Chas H <2mysystem at gmail.com> > Date: 8/2/16 17:38 (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: > [Elecraft] HF Email / Messaging options? > This isn't Elecraft-specific but I do use my KX3 for this. > > I am looking into EMCOMM email and message store/forward systems. > > I am already using Winlink on HF with both the Winmor protocol and an SCS > PTC Pactor modem and those are working FB. > > I am considering putting up an HF BBS-like system that multiple users could > use to store (and possibly forward) messages between multiple users. > > I used to do packet on VHF/UHF 20 or so years ago but have never done HF > packet, Amtor, etc. and wondered what options there are today? > > My goal is to build 3 or 4 HF turnkey systems using low-cost HF > transceivers, modems or ?, simple portable antennas, etc. The > lighter/smaller/more agile the better. > > Any suggestions for a simple message system using efficient protocols on > HF? > > And, based on the success of this research, I might look into providing > systems to deploy in the bush for remote missionaries, etc. Any > suggestions or direction to existing systems (keeping low budgets in mind) > would be appreciated. > > Thx + 73, > Charlie > K0CKH > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w4grj at satterfield.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to egrimseid at gmail.com > From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Wed Aug 3 06:34:50 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 03:34:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S with Internal ATU(KAT3A) and Remote ATU? Message-ID: <1470220490844-7621137.post@n2.nabble.com> I have a new K3S/100W with internal ATU (KAT3A) as well as KRX3A SubRX. My antennas are a 102ft G5RV at 40ft with LDG RC/RT-100 Remote ATU at base, and I?ll have a DXE-MBVE-5 43ft vertical with MFJ-927 Remote ATU at base after completing this weekend. A few questions: 1. How to best use the K3S internal ATU in conjunction with the Remote ATUs? Both can be used in Bypass mode, the K3S by command and the Remote ATUs by removing Bias-T voltage. The LDG rATU on the G5RV is ?latched? in the last LC configuration before removing Bias-T voltage ? still learning about MFJ-927. It seems that I might first put the K3S in Bypass, remote tune, and then if >2:1 SWR, remove voltage from Bias-T to ?latch? the remote ATU, and then engage the K3S internal ATU to try and lower SWR to <2:1. Added loss, but maybe better than K3S power fold-back. But that?s where I need advice. 2. I?ll set up for ?Diversity RX? when I figure which antenna should be my TX antenna, which might change based on band and direction (G5RV is N-S, and even at 40ft, reaches E-W better than N-S). In this case, I wonder if I could tune my SubRX ?Diversity RX Antenna? with remote ATU for better reception? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-with-Internal-ATU-KAT3A-and-Remote-ATU-tp7621137.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w5sum at comcast.net Wed Aug 3 07:16:43 2016 From: w5sum at comcast.net (w5sum at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 06:16:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] frequency display on the P3 In-Reply-To: <1470220490844-7621137.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470220490844-7621137.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: color me stupid, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to get my frequency displayed at center, on my newly acquired P3. I'm using a K3, not the S version. I have fiddled with tracking and etc.. nothing I do works.. any suggestions here? thanks in advance ronnie W5SUM From va3mw at portcredit.net Wed Aug 3 07:39:21 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Mike va3mw) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 07:39:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? In-Reply-To: <9487406B-FA5D-43E4-BFA5-1236145FAF4B@me.com> References: <0bb8c0c2-c318-f98d-8e04-73ff746fcd14@xs4all.nl> <004401d1ec3b$9fdafe90$df90fbb0$@biz> <8A9B5237-05E6-4015-A0A5-AA6537A78862@me.com> <007f01d1ec69$2ba48ae0$82eda0a0$@biz> <9487406B-FA5D-43E4-BFA5-1236145FAF4B@me.com> Message-ID: What be the price point for this amp? What would the average ham pay? And elecraft needs to make a profit after all they aren't a charity. Mike va3mw > On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:56 AM, James Bennett wrote: > > Ron, > > No offense taken - I understand your intentions for the reply. Low antennas are a formula for trouble if proper precautions aren't taken. Common sense "should" come into play, but we've all seen or heard of examples of hams so focused on the antenna itself, they fail to think about what might happen if it falls, someone touches it, etc. > > And who knows, maybe we'll meet on 30 meter CW - I hang out there quite a bit, too! > > 73, Jim > > Jim Bennett / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > >> On Aug 1, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >> >> Sorry Jim. What I was referring to were your words "I run my station in a HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas." >> >> I'm sure you realize that many Hams in that situation have antennas running along fences, even sometimes indoors, or short whips and loops on a balcony. >> >> It's good that it doesn't apply to you specifically but a great many Hams in an HOA/CCR environment must live with a "stealth" antenna systems like those. >> >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Bennett >> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 3:05 PM >> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY? >> >> Huh????? How does my situation even closely border on producing ?ill effects?? This is NOT the situation here, so let?s set the record straight. >> >> 1) My stealthy wire doublet is 45 feet in the air. I experience ZERO RFI problems even at the 500 watt level. Nor do my neighbors, who I?ve asked several times if there are issues. >> >> 2) I would be interested to see what sort of person or animal is going to come into contact with an antenna at that height. Actually, maybe I don?t want to see - might be pretty scary sight. >> >> 3) Don?t know where my post mentioned whips or short wires. None here at this station. >> >> 4) True, but again, not here. >> >> My post simply was intended to convey my desire and reason why I do NOT want to run any more power than I already do, and any correlation of my installation to someone with a dipole five feet off the ground or experiencing RFI is off the mark. And not fully appreciated. >> >> >>> On Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at Monday, 2:28 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >>> >>> ... A situation like Jim brings up would likely produce a number of ill effects such as: >>> >>> 1) Producing interference in many nearby pieces of equipment from Hi-Fi systems to DVRs, broadcast receivers, etc. >>> >>> 2) If the antenna is not carefully insulated and isolated, animals and people can receive very painful RF burns and in the extreme set fires. For those who have not experienced a severe RF burn, it instantly creates deep tissue damage that is very painful for days or weeks afterward. >>> >>> 3) Short antennas (whips, short wires, etc.) easily produce corona discharges at their ends that distorts the transmitted signal and creates broadband Hash across the ham bands. >>> >>> 4) It becomes very difficult to ensure people are not subjected to excessive RF exposure if the antenna is not up high and in the clear. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net From W1ie at jetbroadband.com Wed Aug 3 07:53:42 2016 From: W1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 07:53:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3/0 Mini problem Message-ID: <003f01d1ed7d$af0350a0$0d09f1e0$@com> GM All, I purchased and have installed a K3/0 using Remote Hams software. When I run the unit as a client, I have noticed that I am not able to use the 2nd receiver. It is absolutely quiet. I can point the transmit towards the frequency on the second receiver and it will transmit on that frequency. At the moment, it appears that in order to work split on a rare dx station, the configuration has to be reversed ie. DX station on main vfo and set the transmit frequency on some frequency in the dx station suggested listening bandwidth. Or have I missed something in the setup that would allow me to use the K3/0 Mini just like I would my home K3? I'm hoping that this is the case. Best regards, Jerry, W1IE From hb9cvq at hispeed.ch Wed Aug 3 08:25:16 2016 From: hb9cvq at hispeed.ch (Andy D. Hansen) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 14:25:16 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting Headset Aviation Bose A20 to K3S? Message-ID: <000301d1ed82$17850520$468f0f60$@hispeed.ch> Hi I intend to buy a (1K$) noise canceling Headset to suppress the very disturbing FAN noise by my KPA 500 in QRQ > 30/40 Wpm CW Mode. Changing of FAN + external Fans not successful. Will this work with the K3S. Bose says EMI /EMC should be ok for HF. I understand DC Bias 8V is no problem. How about the Stereo 320 Ohm Earphone impedance and the K3S recommended 16 Ohm min ? How should the electret mike be configured Bias through 220 to 2200 Ohm? Any experience here? tnx vy 73 de Andy HB9CVQ From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Aug 3 08:33:38 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 08:33:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] frequency display on the P3 In-Reply-To: References: <1470220490844-7621137.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9CB0A6BD-9CD1-4F22-8F8D-DF702478F76C@widomaker.com> Check your connections are as shown in manual. Be sure baud rates are 38400. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 3, 2016, at 7:16 AM, wrote: > > color me stupid, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to get my frequency displayed at center, on my newly acquired P3. I'm using a K3, not the S version. > > I have fiddled with tracking and etc.. nothing I do works.. > > any suggestions here? > > thanks in advance > > ronnie W5SUM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From john at kk9a.com Wed Aug 3 08:40:03 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 08:40:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Amplifier Combiner Message-ID: <3a3238a3eb6407295d52c689c65f8168.squirrel@www11.qth.com> I do not know a lot about RF engineering but recently I saw videos showing a single LDMOS transistor running 1200 watts and it was indestructible in high SWR. The Flexradio amp show below has two of LDMOS transistors. I wonder what the pricing will be? John KK9A from: Gary K9GS Tue Aug 2 22:41:27 EDT 2016 I saw the prototype in May..it looks really nice. http://www.flexradio.com/amateur-products/amplifier/ From DD6DO at gmx.de Wed Aug 3 09:51:04 2016 From: DD6DO at gmx.de (Stephan) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 15:51:04 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - Dimension of the KXBT2 Li_Ion pack? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear KX2-users, I would like to know the dimension of the Li-Ion package: Height, width and length? How long is the power cable inclusive 2.1mm plug? As well I?am interested about the dimension of the space inside the KX2, which is reserved for the KXBT2 Lithium-ion Battery Pack. As far as I know, the package (11V, 2.6Ah) consists of three Lithium-Ion 18650 cylindrical cells with integrated security (PCB). I?am intend to order in Germany a pack of three 18650 cells with a capacity of 3400mA. To tell the dealer the specification, I need the dimension of the original KXBT2. thanks, Stephan, DD6DO From w5sum at comcast.net Wed Aug 3 10:49:52 2016 From: w5sum at comcast.net (w5sum at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 09:49:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] frequency display on the P3 In-Reply-To: <9CB0A6BD-9CD1-4F22-8F8D-DF702478F76C@widomaker.com> References: <1470220490844-7621137.post@n2.nabble.com> <9CB0A6BD-9CD1-4F22-8F8D-DF702478F76C@widomaker.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the help y'all, I had a bad RS232 cable between the rig and the P3.. all good now Admin please Kill this Thread Ronnie W5SUM -----Original Message----- From: Nr4c Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 7:33 AM To: w5sum at comcast.net Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] frequency display on the P3 Check your connections are as shown in manual. Be sure baud rates are 38400. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 3, 2016, at 7:16 AM, wrote: > > color me stupid, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to get my > frequency displayed at center, on my newly acquired P3. I'm using a K3, > not the S version. > > I have fiddled with tracking and etc.. nothing I do works.. > > any suggestions here? > > thanks in advance > > ronnie W5SUM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From huntinhmb at coastside.net Wed Aug 3 11:21:19 2016 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 08:21:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S with Internal ATU(KAT3A) and Remote ATU? In-Reply-To: <1470220490844-7621137.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470220490844-7621137.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <89C788AE-3A96-497F-B611-A2C4C6456DD6@coastside.net> I have a K3 without the internal ATU and use a MFJ-927 remote tuner for my ZS6BKW inverted V. I also have a manual tuner in the shack which is usually in bypass, just monitoring power out and incoming SWR. There some parts of 40m where the MFJ-927 doesn't get a good match and I touch it up with the manual tuner to keep the K3 happy. I don't see why you couldn't take a similar approach with the KAT3A. The MFJ-927 is a finicky beast but it has served me well for over 4 years. I don't think it uses latching relays so you have to keep it powered to use it. I could be wrong. GL! 73, Brian, K0DTJ From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Wed Aug 3 11:37:27 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 08:37:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - Dimension of the KXBT2 Li_Ion pack? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1470238647857-7621147.post@n2.nabble.com> > I would like to know the dimension of the Li-Ion package: Height, width > and length? 19.5 mm x 70.7 mm x 56.3 mm > How long is the power cable inclusive 2.1mm plug? 122 mm -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-Dimension-of-the-KXBT2-Li-Ion-pack-tp7621144p7621147.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From billincolo73 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 11:41:30 2016 From: billincolo73 at gmail.com (Bill Leonard N0CU) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 08:41:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Where is the K3s setup for JT65 info? In-Reply-To: <20160803000438.C1E0B149B519@mailman.qth.net> References: <1470180120970-7621127.post@n2.nabble.com> <20160803000438.C1E0B149B519@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <1470238890538-7621148.post@n2.nabble.com> Ken, I am using the USB interface to the computer and am having trouble figuring out how to set the audio levels for WSJT-X: -On receive the decoder is saturated. I have to drop the gain slider in WSJT-X to zero to be able to decode any signals. I haven't found any other adjustment for the level. -On transmit in Data A mode, the mic gain selects a Line x value. I didn't see that anywhere in the manuals. Do you select a Line value that gets you close and fine tune the level with the gain control in Windows? Thanks, Bill N0CU -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Where-is-the-K3s-setup-for-JT65-info-tp7621127p7621148.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From billincolo73 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 11:45:52 2016 From: billincolo73 at gmail.com (Bill Leonard N0CU) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 08:45:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Where is the K3s setup for JT65 info? In-Reply-To: References: <1470180120970-7621127.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1470239152697-7621149.post@n2.nabble.com> That's it. Thanks Howard. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Where-is-the-K3s-setup-for-JT65-info-tp7621127p7621149.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Aug 3 12:21:14 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2016 08:21:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) Message-ID: <201608031621.u73GLEqg000407@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Since Elecraft has (repeatedly) stated no KPA1500 is to be made, then consider other sources. I suggest if you want to save money to consider a W6PQL amp: http://www.w6pql.com/1_kw_sspa_for_1_8-54_mhz.htm Note the pic of a KX3 at beginning of article. Great kit if you are so disposed; I believe also available assembled and tested from W6PQL My only relationship is having used several of his kits in my personal station and the 2m 80w pc board in the 2M80 linear I sell. Jim is very helpful in several technical conversations I have had with him. Some day I would like to acquire his 2m 1200w PA module as basis for replacement of my 8877+HV supply. It could be remotely installed in a wx-proof compartment at the base of my 2m tower, eliminating expensive low-loss coax run from the shack (and get the durn blower noise out of the shack). These LDMOS drive with 3-10w. 73, Ed - KL7UW From: To: Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Amplifier Combiner Message-ID: <005901d1ed2f$646e6fa0$2d4b4ee0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It does not make financial sense to combine two or three KPA500s using a commercial combiner that costs thousands of dollars. SPE Expert makes a two amp combiner and Acom has one that will combine three amps. I believe that there are also some combiner boards available on eBay. The KPA500 is a very nice amp however if you really desire more power you are probably better off looking elsewhere, at least until the KPA1500 becomes available :) John KK9A 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From derrchris at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 12:51:34 2016 From: derrchris at gmail.com (Chris Derr) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 12:51:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Posting Message-ID: <3597A72F-F876-42CB-A8D2-1C1972360BE5@gmail.com> For Sale: Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500. Both are in excellent, mint, condition from a non-smoking environment. KPA500 - $1500; KAT500 - $400. Please contact me via email: derrchris at gmail.com. Sent from my iPad From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Aug 3 12:53:21 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 09:53:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting Headset Aviation Bose A20 to K3S? In-Reply-To: <000301d1ed82$17850520$468f0f60$@hispeed.ch> References: <000301d1ed82$17850520$468f0f60$@hispeed.ch> Message-ID: On Wed,8/3/2016 5:25 AM, Andy D. Hansen wrote: > I intend to buy a (1K$) noise canceling Headset to suppress the very > disturbing FAN noise by my KPA 500 in QRQ > 30/40 Wpm CW Mode. Changing of > FAN + external Fans not successful. I don't understand this, and I think it's at the heart of your problem. I strongly suggest that you correct the cause of this rather than spending big money on a noise cancelling headset. Have you communicated with Elecraft about this? My KPA500 fan runs at high speed ONLY during long keydown transmissions (like JT65, for 50 seconds, then 70 seconds off) and when "beacon-CQing" on 6M (efficiency is lowest on 6M, so heating is greatest). It's hard to imagine this being a problem below 15M unless you're making very long transmissions. > Will this work with the K3S. I see no reason why not. > Bose says EMI /EMC should be ok for HF. I don't know -- RFI to the shack tends to be greater if TX antenna is close to the shack, especially with an end-fed antenna that terminates in the shack. > I understand DC Bias 8V is no problem. Right. > How about the Stereo 320 Ohm Earphone impedance and the K3S recommended 16 > Ohm min ? 320 ohms is >> 16 ohms, so no problem. > How should the electret mike be configured Bias through 220 to 2200 Ohm? Wire the mic with "hot" to the tip of a 3.5mm TRS plug, plug it into the rear panel, go to the menu and select rear panel, then while still in the menu, tap "2" on the keypad to turn on bias. Then exit the menu. > Any experience here? Only as cited above. 73, Jim K9YC From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 13:11:26 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 12:11:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TX monitor question Message-ID: Apparently I have messed some menu entry up, but cannot figure out how to fix it. I have gotten into a mode that flashes periodically (about a second each) between the RX Pan display and the TX monitor. Because it is flashing, it is hard to read the menu and figure out what to set. Anyone have any ideas for me to try? Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV From ron at cobi.biz Wed Aug 3 13:17:19 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 10:17:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] frequency display on the P3 In-Reply-To: References: <1470220490844-7621137.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <001801d1edaa$e4af6c20$ae0e4460$@biz> Ronnie, do you have the E980169 cable connected between the RS232 connector on the back of your K3 and the XCVR connector on the P3? 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of w5sum at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 4:17 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] frequency display on the P3 color me stupid, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to get my frequency displayed at center, on my newly acquired P3. I'm using a K3, not the S version. I have fiddled with tracking and etc.. nothing I do works.. any suggestions here? thanks in advance ronnie W5SUM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From K2TK at ptd.net Wed Aug 3 13:39:25 2016 From: K2TK at ptd.net (Bob) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 13:39:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 73CNC Knobs Message-ID: <44e3e22a-e586-47f5-2aec-939e179fe88e@ptd.net> Hi, Looking for a 73CNC Deluxe Knob for the K3. Not available on the web site and emails via their "contact us" link have gone unanswered. Not sure even if this is still an active business. So anyone out there have a single main knob or a set that they might be willing to sell? TNX! 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR From w8dn at roadrunner.com Wed Aug 3 15:01:29 2016 From: w8dn at roadrunner.com (Mike Rhodes) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 15:01:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Endless Amplifier Posts In-Reply-To: <7635d82d-da2a-be50-8da3-7b562e78df56@triconet.org> References: <7635d82d-da2a-be50-8da3-7b562e78df56@triconet.org> Message-ID: <72800234-fae6-afbe-edeb-0a0c0ab62b39@roadrunner.com> ...is it my imagination or are a number of Elecraft customers anal retentive when it comes to an Elecraft amplifier that does not and may not ever exist ?? Mike / W8DN On 8/3/2016 1:31 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > I know it's the political season, so there's a lot of this going > around, but the plain truth is just a bunch of bafflegab. > > On 8/2/2016 11:27 AM, Morgan Bailey wrote: >> Back to the endless amp forum posts. >> >> *The Plain Truth* >> >> Better antennas = better communication. >> Transmit antennas are not always be best antennas for reception. >> Propagation determines communications. >> >> Power has little to do with propagation when it is in your favor. >> >> If you cant hear them you cant work them. And even then, if you can hear >> them many times, propagation is not 2 way. >> >> Having a 1500 watt signal on the air has nothing to do with being >> able to >> hear who is hearing you. Otherwise, your just QRM. Alligator syndrome. >> >> RFI from 1500 watts, Near Field interference, Electrical energy cost are >> all added problems of excessive power. >> >> Water soaked Coax with poor antenna installation with negative 12 db >> loss takes 1500 watts to 100 watts on a 100 ft run, using, 100 watts >> going >> down to 1/2 watt, you can still talk because: QRP works! >> >> A 1500 watt amplifier is not going to make you a better operator. >> Many amps today that are being produced over seas have tetrode finals >> that >> will put out 2500 watts easily, check your coax at the frequency that >> you >> want to run and you may be in for a surprise. If you swr is greater than >> near unity, you may have problems with the reflected power melting >> down the >> foam by heat and creating more loss. With an amp you have to have >> resonant >> antennas, you don't want RF in the shack. And at that power level >> antenna >> tuners become a very effective Ozone generator, keeps you shack smelling >> nice and fresh but it does not do much for your finals and spark gap was >> outlawed quite some time back. >> >> I have a 1.2 kw amp and run it at 450 to 500 watts, why, because it >> puts me >> in a contest class that I can be competitive in because I don't have 6 >> towers with stacked beams. Hell I don't even have a beam, just a good >> vertical and made 1500 QSO in CQWW WPX, from the middle of the USA, >> Kansas. >> I do have a NCC1 Dxengineering 2 antenna receiving array that I put >> up for >> contests only. But, on the other hand, I run CW and CW gets through 599 >> with 100 watts where the same would take 15000 watts on SSB for the same >> arm chair communication. >> >> The cheapest way to communicate with less power is painful for some, but >> the truth is always painful when you take the easy way out. >> >> Drum Roll, >> >> Learn CW >> >> My 2 cents, and add that to 3$ and you might be able to get a good >> cup of >> coffee or a good sized can or Monster III. >> >> Vy 73, >> >> Morgan NJ8M > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w8dn at roadrunner.com > From eric.csuf at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 15:02:46 2016 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 12:02:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 73CNC Knobs In-Reply-To: <44e3e22a-e586-47f5-2aec-939e179fe88e@ptd.net> References: <44e3e22a-e586-47f5-2aec-939e179fe88e@ptd.net> Message-ID: Wondering the same thing. I want one for my second K2, but no response whatsoever to several emails over a couple of months. Love the knob. Expensive, but makes the rig feel like it was made to tune instead of sit on a calling frequency. Eric KE6US On 8/3/2016 10:39 AM, Bob wrote: > Hi, > > Looking for a 73CNC Deluxe Knob for the K3. Not available on > the web site and emails via their "contact us" link have gone > unanswered. Not sure even if this is still an active business. > > So anyone out there have a single main knob or a set that > they might be willing to sell? > > TNX! > > 73, > > Bob > > K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From tony.kaz at verizon.net Wed Aug 3 15:18:00 2016 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2016 15:18:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Where is the K3s setup for JT65 info? In-Reply-To: <1470239152697-7621149.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470180120970-7621127.post@n2.nabble.com> <1470239152697-7621149.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <005401d1edbb$c04723d0$40d56b70$@verizon.net> What was it? Please share. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Leonard N0CU Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:46 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Where is the K3s setup for JT65 info? That's it. Thanks Howard. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Where-is-the-K3s-setup-for-JT65-info-tp 7621127p7621149.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From pete at g0vhl.net Wed Aug 3 17:18:32 2016 From: pete at g0vhl.net (Pete Jones) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2016 22:18:32 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - updating firmware Message-ID: <1565245a840.2777.cac8c54c6f4ac6420998bc9aee9febdb@g0vhl.net> I am using an FTDI cable (not Elecraft KXUSB). Windows 10 recognises it and the FTDI driver is installed. The KX2 utility app sees it as Port COM4 but fails to connect at any speed. Any ideas? Pete G0VHL From hsherriff at reagan.com Wed Aug 3 17:43:48 2016 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 17:43:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 strange response Message-ID: <2A9C02B7-D374-4290-A7AA-D6B944F3B00C@reagan.com> No matter how I change bands (k3, KPA front panel switches, or KPA utility), if I select 20m band, the KPA front panel displays 21.1. If the K3 is turned off, the KPA responds correctly to front panel switches or utility buttons. I have reloaded both K3 and KPA firmware to no avail. If I send rf out, the KPA switches to and displays the 20m band. Any ideas? Sent from my iPhone From tomb18 at videotron.ca Wed Aug 3 17:50:32 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2016 17:50:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 strange response Message-ID: HiCheck your 15 pin cable.73 Tom?va2fsq.com? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Harlan Sherriff Date: 2016-08-03 5:43 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Email Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 strange response No matter how I change bands (k3, KPA front panel switches, or KPA utility), if I select 20m band, the KPA front panel displays 21.1. If the K3 is turned off, the KPA responds correctly to front panel switches or utility buttons. I have reloaded both K3 and KPA firmware to no avail. If I send rf out, the KPA switches to and displays the 20m band. Any ideas? Sent from my iPhone ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From bob at hogbytes.com Wed Aug 3 17:59:34 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 14:59:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Endless Amplifier Posts In-Reply-To: <72800234-fae6-afbe-edeb-0a0c0ab62b39@roadrunner.com> References: <7635d82d-da2a-be50-8da3-7b562e78df56@triconet.org> <72800234-fae6-afbe-edeb-0a0c0ab62b39@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <1470261574619-7621161.post@n2.nabble.com> Can't comment on the possibility of a 1500W amp, but I am certain neither Wayne nor Eric will be putting the Elecraft name on an amp they did not design to their standards.. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Endless-Amplifier-Posts-tp7621120p7621161.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w4sc at windstream.net Wed Aug 3 18:17:02 2016 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 18:17:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 73CNC Knobs Message-ID: <3B3D46B6389F479CB998162860B9F467@z22z28> The last K3 set I bought was about year ago, took 3 months to get them. Communication was at best poor. Want a KX1 knob, ordering appears to be broken. Anyone have a 73CNC KX1 knob they want to part with? Ben W4SC From eric at elecraft.com Wed Aug 3 18:39:13 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 15:39:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Endless Amplifier Posts In-Reply-To: <1470261574619-7621161.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <7635d82d-da2a-be50-8da3-7b562e78df56@triconet.org> <72800234-fae6-afbe-edeb-0a0c0ab62b39@roadrunner.com> <1470261574619-7621161.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Folks - End of thread(again) in the interest of keeping list volume reasonable for our readers.. We ended this and the other 1500 W Amplifier threads yesterday. If and when we decide to do a higher power amp designed to our standards, we'll let everyone here know first. :-) 73, Eric Moderator and Cheerleader /elecraft.com / On 8/3/2016 2:59 PM, Bob N3MNT wrote: > Can't comment on the possibility of a 1500W amp, but I am certain neither > Wayne nor Eric will be putting the Elecraft name on an amp they did not > design to their standards.. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 3 18:42:36 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 18:42:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - updating firmware In-Reply-To: <1565245a840.2777.cac8c54c6f4ac6420998bc9aee9febdb@g0vhl.net> References: <1565245a840.2777.cac8c54c6f4ac6420998bc9aee9febdb@g0vhl.net> Message-ID: <5fd05711-26e3-cfb3-ba37-800b5b853f16@embarqmail.com> Pete, Fine that you are using an FTDI USB to serial adapter - but what is the connection from the DE-9 conncetor on that adapter to the KX2. If it is the KXSERa cable, then it should work fine, but if you have wired your own DE-9 to 3.5mm cable, then check it to make certain it has the correct connections and has continuity on all 3 of the used conductors. In other words, if you have made your own Serial to KX2 cable, check it first. Set the KX2 RS-232 to 38400 and use KX2 Utility to attempt to connect. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/3/2016 5:18 PM, Pete Jones wrote: > I am using an FTDI cable (not Elecraft KXUSB). Windows 10 recognises > it and the FTDI driver is installed. The KX2 utility app sees it as > Port COM4 but fails to connect at any speed. From brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca Wed Aug 3 19:37:53 2016 From: brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca (Brian) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 23:37:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 tilt stand bail- how to make Message-ID: This is from my own personal 'wayback' records.... source not evident to me with short notice. Alt #2 - "The Never Fail Cheap & Dirty K1 Bail"; (with apologies to Tom, =N0SS, and his probe) Take a piece of 15" long by 3/32 - 1/8" diameter sol=id wire (a heavy duty coat hanger works great!). Slide two 1/2" X 1/8" ID=vacuum hose (any auto parts store) to the middle of the wire. Starting f=rom the middle measure 2-5/8" each way and bend 90 degrees. You now have =a square "U", with the base measuring 5-1/4". From the corners of the "U"=measure 3-1/2" and bend 90 degrees so that if the "U" is sitting on a ta=ble the two bends you just made would stick straight UP from the table. N=ow, measure from those just completed bends 1-1/4" and make a 90 degree b=end such that the ends of the wire are now facing each other. Clip the en=ds of the wire about 3/8" away from the just completed bends. These littl=e stubs will fit into the screw holes on the K1 that are designed for the=tilt stand. When you first complete this stand take the top cover off to=ensure that there are no interference's with the KNB1 or the KBT1 when t=he stand is installed. Trim accordingly. Slide the two rubber hose pieces=to the corners. These will act as the feet of the stand. This compact stand can be flipped beneath the radio and the bottom of the=bail can snapped against the rear of the radio and beneath the antenna j=ack for stowage. To use simply flip the stand forward and use a rubberban=d mounted three-quarters the way up the parallel arms to secure the radio=at the desired viewing angle. From hsherriff at reagan.com Wed Aug 3 20:05:19 2016 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 20:05:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 strange response In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom They both seem fine. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 3, 2016, at 5:50 PM, tomb18 wrote: > > Hi > Check your 15 pin cable. > 73 Tom > va2fsq.com > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Harlan Sherriff > Date: 2016-08-03 5:43 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Elecraft Email > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 strange response > > No matter how I change bands (k3, KPA front panel switches, or KPA utility), if I select 20m band, the KPA front panel displays 21.1. If the K3 is turned off, the KPA responds correctly to front panel switches or utility buttons. I have reloaded both K3 and KPA firmware to no avail. If I send rf out, the KPA switches to and displays the 20m band. Any ideas? > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From hsherriff at reagan.com Wed Aug 3 20:12:31 2016 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 20:12:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 strange response In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E2D2D4E-17D4-47FB-B0AA-79D84CA8A557@reagan.com> Both cables seem ok. Also, if I select 12m on K3, the KPA goes to 6m. I'm just a little confused. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 3, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Harlan Sherriff wrote: > > Tom > They both seem fine. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 3, 2016, at 5:50 PM, tomb18 wrote: >> >> Hi >> Check your 15 pin cable. >> 73 Tom >> va2fsq.com >> >> >> >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Harlan Sherriff >> Date: 2016-08-03 5:43 PM (GMT-05:00) >> To: Elecraft Email >> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 strange response >> >> No matter how I change bands (k3, KPA front panel switches, or KPA utility), if I select 20m band, the KPA front panel displays 21.1. If the K3 is turned off, the KPA responds correctly to front panel switches or utility buttons. I have reloaded both K3 and KPA firmware to no avail. If I send rf out, the KPA switches to and displays the 20m band. Any ideas? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From hsherriff at reagan.com Wed Aug 3 20:19:54 2016 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 20:19:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 strange response In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6FB43986-B923-4CFC-8D82-ADCE50EAB56B@reagan.com> Solved. It was one of the cables. Anyway I believe so. I took the KAT out of the control loop and all is well with one of the cables but bad news with the other. Must be intermittent as it ohm 'd ok. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 3, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Harlan Sherriff wrote: > > Tom > They both seem fine. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 3, 2016, at 5:50 PM, tomb18 wrote: >> >> Hi >> Check your 15 pin cable. >> 73 Tom >> va2fsq.com >> >> >> >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Harlan Sherriff >> Date: 2016-08-03 5:43 PM (GMT-05:00) >> To: Elecraft Email >> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 strange response >> >> No matter how I change bands (k3, KPA front panel switches, or KPA utility), if I select 20m band, the KPA front panel displays 21.1. If the K3 is turned off, the KPA responds correctly to front panel switches or utility buttons. I have reloaded both K3 and KPA firmware to no avail. If I send rf out, the KPA switches to and displays the 20m band. Any ideas? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 3 20:24:39 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 20:24:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 strange response In-Reply-To: <5E2D2D4E-17D4-47FB-B0AA-79D84CA8A557@reagan.com> References: <5E2D2D4E-17D4-47FB-B0AA-79D84CA8A557@reagan.com> Message-ID: <63ddd17a-203e-4e5b-57d1-a83a68f3d456@embarqmail.com> How did you determine that the cables seem "fine". Did you do a continuity measurement on each pin? Did you check for shorts between adjacent pins. If selecting 12 meters on the K3 produces 6 meters on the KPA500, then there may be something awry with the BAND1 data output from the K3 to the KPA100. That is pin 3 of the cable. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/3/2016 8:12 PM, Harlan Sherriff wrote: > Both cables seem ok. Also, if I select 12m on K3, the KPA goes to 6m. I'm just a little confused. > > From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Aug 3 21:16:59 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 21:16:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 - updating firmware In-Reply-To: <1565245a840.2777.cac8c54c6f4ac6420998bc9aee9febdb@g0vhl.net> References: <1565245a840.2777.cac8c54c6f4ac6420998bc9aee9febdb@g0vhl.net> Message-ID: <9C5F3F5D-592B-461B-B27B-F4128CBCBEBE@widomaker.com> Check KXPA100 manual online for wiring diagram of KXUSB cable. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 3, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Pete Jones wrote: > > I am using an FTDI cable (not Elecraft KXUSB). Windows 10 recognises it and the FTDI driver is installed. The KX2 utility app sees it as Port COM4 but fails to connect at any speed. > > Any ideas? > > Pete G0VHL > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 01:13:42 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 00:13:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3-> KXPA100=> KPA500 ... Can it be done? Message-ID: <7da50856-8fa7-3b63-488c-97e333fc75e2@gmail.com> Looking for a little QRO in my alternate station... I would like to be able to run my KX3 into my KXPA100 amplifier, and that into my KPA500 amp. How do I do that? Thanks From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Aug 4 09:04:30 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:04:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3-> KXPA100=> KPA500 ... Can it be done? In-Reply-To: <7da50856-8fa7-3b63-488c-97e333fc75e2@gmail.com> References: <7da50856-8fa7-3b63-488c-97e333fc75e2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes. Check the manual(s) on KXPA100 and ATU. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 4, 2016, at 1:13 AM, David F. Reed wrote: > > Looking for a little QRO in my alternate station... > > I would like to be able to run my KX3 into my KXPA100 amplifier, and that into my KPA500 amp. > > How do I do that? > > Thanks > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 4 10:07:11 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 10:07:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX3-> KXPA100=> KPA500 ... Can it be done? In-Reply-To: <7da50856-8fa7-3b63-488c-97e333fc75e2@gmail.com> References: <7da50856-8fa7-3b63-488c-97e333fc75e2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42183948-e692-0ce2-4bf7-d7cb9d377739@embarqmail.com> KX3 to KXPA100 connections are covered well in the KXPA100 manual. Download from Elecraft if you do not yet have that manual. Connecting the KPA500 to the KXPA100 requires a cable from the KXPA100 PA KEY to the KPA500 PA KEY connector. Of course, you would also connect the coax, but that should be obvious. The KPA500 would sense the RF and switch to the correct band - or you could select the band on the front panel. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/4/2016 1:13 AM, 'David F. Reed' w5sv.dave at gmail.com [KX3] wrote: > > Looking for a little QRO in my alternate station... > > I would like to be able to run my KX3 into my KXPA100 amplifier, and > that into my KPA500 amp. > > How do I do that? > > From no9e at arrl.net Thu Aug 4 12:16:22 2016 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:16:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S with Internal ATU(KAT3A) and Remote ATU? In-Reply-To: <1470220490844-7621137.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470220490844-7621137.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1470327382823-7621174.post@n2.nabble.com> With G5RV you can extend the flat line to the shack and use KAT3 directly via 1:1 or 4:1 balun. Probably as good as the current choice. With 43 ft vertical a tuner at the base is critical to performance and KAT3 may in some cases be detrimental. Check the signal reports with both antennas. At my QTH verticals nearly always are 10db down from dipoles even for DX, except when dipoles have nulls. In this case your better option is adding an extra G5RV perpendicular to the first G5RV, also fed by flat line. I found diversity important for 160 and 80m but not much at higher frequency. The tuner and G5RV are close to $400. For 10-20m, a $500 hexbeam will blow either G5RV or a vertical away although a mast and space are needed. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-with-Internal-ATU-KAT3A-and-Remote-ATU-tp7621137p7621174.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ron at cobi.biz Thu Aug 4 12:17:11 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:17:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3-> KXPA100=> KPA500 ... Can it be done? In-Reply-To: <7da50856-8fa7-3b63-488c-97e333fc75e2@gmail.com> References: <7da50856-8fa7-3b63-488c-97e333fc75e2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002201d1ee6b$a8566280$f9032780$@biz> It's covered in the KXPA100 owner's manual, page 18. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David F. Reed Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:14 PM To: KX3 at yahoogroups.com; elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KX3-> KXPA100=> KPA500 ... Can it be done? Looking for a little QRO in my alternate station... I would like to be able to run my KX3 into my KXPA100 amplifier, and that into my KPA500 amp. How do I do that? Thanks ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From w0fm at swbell.net Thu Aug 4 12:36:17 2016 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 11:36:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 73CNC Knobs In-Reply-To: References: <44e3e22a-e586-47f5-2aec-939e179fe88e@ptd.net> Message-ID: <003701d1ee6e$53d6bbd0$fb843370$@swbell.net> I have both. Neither has ever been installed. Contact me direct please. Terry, W0FM My call at arrl dot net -----Original Message----- From: EricJ [mailto:eric.csuf at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:03 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 73CNC Knobs Wondering the same thing. I want one for my second K2, but no response whatsoever to several emails over a couple of months. Love the knob. Expensive, but makes the rig feel like it was made to tune instead of sit on a calling frequency. Eric KE6US On 8/3/2016 10:39 AM, Bob wrote: > Hi, > > Looking for a 73CNC Deluxe Knob for the K3. Not available on > the web site and emails via their "contact us" link have gone > unanswered. Not sure even if this is still an active business. > > So anyone out there have a single main knob or a set that > they might be willing to sell? > > TNX! > > 73, > > Bob > > K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From sidfrissell at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 13:22:52 2016 From: sidfrissell at gmail.com (Sid Frissell) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 11:22:52 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles Message-ID: <3A8E50D4-8E63-453C-9890-FEDC2CEC4549@gmail.com> Well, I guess I've wrung all the opinions out of you re. KXPD 2 vs KXPD3. Seems like the KXPD2 is preferred. Thanks to all who commented on and off list. Sid, NZ7M Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 4 13:32:05 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 10:32:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S with Internal ATU(KAT3A) and Remote ATU? In-Reply-To: <1470327382823-7621174.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470220490844-7621137.post@n2.nabble.com> <1470327382823-7621174.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Thu,8/4/2016 9:16 AM, Ignacy wrote: > With 43 ft vertical a tuner at the base is critical to performance It is FAR more complicated than that. Antenna tuners provide a match between a transmitter and a feedline, or between an antenna and a feedline. Like antennas like the G5RV, a 43 ft vertical is WILDLY mismatched to 50 ohms on most bands, which makes serious matching at the base important. HOWEVER -- it has been shown that if the feedline is of high quality, like 1-2-in hard line; and 2) if it is fairly short (less than about 50 ft); and 3) some matching is done at the feedpoint, a tuner in the shack can match the antenna to the transmitter and feedline loss will be sufficiently low that it's not an issue. I've studied the 43-ft vertical, and reported on what I've learned in this set of Power Point slides for a talk I did several years ago at Pacificon. http://k9yc.com/43FtVertical.pdf > and KAT3 may in some cases be detrimental. I cannot imagine the logic behind this statement. > Check the signal reports with both antennas. At my QTH verticals nearly > always are 10db down from dipoles even for DX, except when dipoles have > nulls. The relative performance of horizontal and vertical antennas is STRONGLY dependent on 1) soil conditions; 2) their height; and 3) for verticals, their counterpoise/radial system if they need one. An HF vertical mounted at roof level will outperform the same antenna mounted at ground level, and the degree of outperformance will depend on soil conditions. Some verticals are fundamentally dipoles, and do not need radial systems, so they are easy to put on a roof. The R8 and AV640 are examples. Other verticals that are designed as quarter wave antennas with loading coils DO require radials, so if you put them on a roof, you need at least one for each band where plan to transmit, and two per band is better. > In this case your better option is adding an extra G5RV > perpendicular to the first G5RV, also fed by flat line. I'm not at all a fan of antennas like the G5RV, primarily because they cannot be choked to kill RX noise. Adding another one would be a bad move. Far better are antennas like resonant fan dipoles fed with coax, and yes, if you can, place two at right angles. Resonant, coax-fed antennas CAN be effectively choked, so RX noise can be lower. You can't work what you can't hear! 73, Jim K9YC From mail at cvkimball.com Thu Aug 4 13:56:08 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 10:56:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared In-Reply-To: <1469964027850-7620930.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> <935525EF-8B53-4E70-9943-5C32DE2DED8E@widomaker.com> <1469649194181-7620783.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469899829872-7620901.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469964027850-7620930.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1470333368602-7621178.post@n2.nabble.com> Received the UPS shipping label today, 4 Aug. Package shipped. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7621178.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kengkopp at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 14:08:29 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 12:08:29 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As usual, Jim is correct ... I have Lou Varney's original article. The G5RV was designed as a 20M --ONLY-- antenna. It's now achieved some kind of cult ... read voodoo ... status. (;-) If one has an antenna that is partially fed with balanced line that's then directly (!) spliced to a specific length of coax and then still requires a tuner, why not run the balanced line directly to the tuner ... assuming it has a balun ... or provide one at the tuner? This same argument would apply to Varney's design for a 20M only dipole. Maybe he didn't have a tuner of any kind, and wanted to use coax feed line because there was a coax connector on his rig. (;-) 73 K0PP From vwracer23 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 14:10:32 2016 From: vwracer23 at gmail.com (Kurt Cramer) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 11:10:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles In-Reply-To: <3A8E50D4-8E63-453C-9890-FEDC2CEC4549@gmail.com> References: <3A8E50D4-8E63-453C-9890-FEDC2CEC4549@gmail.com> Message-ID: <122BBD5A-306E-4AE5-A64C-07086B8BB6C9@gmail.com> Anyone have a KXPD3 for sale? $135 just seems too much. Kurt, W7QHD > On Aug 4, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Sid Frissell wrote: > > Well, I guess I've wrung all the opinions out of you re. KXPD 2 vs KXPD3. Seems like the KXPD2 is preferred. > Thanks to all who commented on and off list. > > Sid, NZ7M > > Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vwracer23 at gmail.com From w1tef at swsports.org Thu Aug 4 14:47:44 2016 From: w1tef at swsports.org (Tom Francis) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 14:47:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles In-Reply-To: <3A8E50D4-8E63-453C-9890-FEDC2CEC4549@gmail.com> References: <3A8E50D4-8E63-453C-9890-FEDC2CEC4549@gmail.com> Message-ID: <281731a8-87e8-614f-12c8-e62cb7e6004c@swsports.org> I have both, am primarily a CW operator and this is my impression. The KXPD2 has "issues" - at least for me. The contact posts keep loosening up - it doesn't matter how hard I tighten them (I'm afraid of over torquing the screws but they are snug), they loosen up. I tried non-hardening Loc-Tite on the screws to no avail. It only seems to happen in a long QSO - not sure if its the vibration or the fact that the contact points are at the top of the long contact post which, even with a light touch, gives some pressure to the posts. Or the countersink for the screws in the plastic is too big which could cause it. Or the screws are aluminum and the posts stainless - two different expansion rates in variable temps. Having said that, my good friend N3EWW doesn't have any issues with his KXPD2 and hasn't had. I had his radio for an entire week using the paddles and never once loosened up. So it might be a quality control problem. The KXPD3 is a whole different construction. The contact posts are shorter and I have not had any issues with them loosening up even under heavy use. I like their overall look of them also. As far as cosmetic things, they look good, feel good when properly adjusted and seem to work just fine (other than the contact post issue). I will say neither one is for the heavy handed CW op unless you have a way to secure the radio. Then again, if you are heavy handed, that could be an issue with respect to the contact posts. Now if I had known at the time I ordered the KX2, I would have opted for the KXPD3 with the shorter screws for the KX2. Why they designed a separate set of paddles for the KX2 I don't know, but it might have been a smarter idea to just stick with what worked rather than design a new set to help keep the costs down on the KX2 options. However, when I called Elecraft, my complaint was heard and they are looking into the issue. Hopefully they can come up with an answer. Best regards, Tom, W1TEF Lexington County, SC On 8/4/2016 1:22 PM, Sid Frissell wrote: > Well, I guess I've wrung all the opinions out of you re. KXPD 2 vs KXPD3. Seems like the KXPD2 is preferred. > Thanks to all who commented on and off list. > > Sid, NZ7M > > Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1tef at swsports.org > From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Aug 4 15:37:03 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 12:37:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles In-Reply-To: <281731a8-87e8-614f-12c8-e62cb7e6004c@swsports.org> References: <3A8E50D4-8E63-453C-9890-FEDC2CEC4549@gmail.com> <281731a8-87e8-614f-12c8-e62cb7e6004c@swsports.org> Message-ID: <7402860B-8B62-488E-B957-0B8C6B4A33B7@elecraft.com> Hi Tom, Your KXPD2 should not have any issue with contact screws loosening over time. Please return them for rework. Sorry about that. We needed a new paddle was for the KX2 because it's a much smaller radio. Some operators using a KXPD3 with the KX2 find that they have to hold the radio in place, because the KXPD3 has much longer paddle arms. This is much less likely with the KXPD2. The KXPD2 is also smaller, so it takes less room inside a small travel bag like our CS40. Finally, some customers have asked if we could attach the adjustment wrench to the paddle for storage. We had a opportunity to implement this feature in the new design. The KXPD2 has a 3D-printed housing with clips built in for this purpose. 73, Wayne N6KR On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Tom Francis wrote: > I have both, am primarily a CW operator and this is my impression. > > The KXPD2 has "issues" - at least for me. The contact posts keep loosening up - > it doesn't matter how hard I tighten them (I'm afraid of over torquing the screws > but they are snug), they loosen up. I tried non-hardening Loc-Tite on the screws > to no avail. It only seems to happen in a long QSO - not sure if its the vibration > or the fact that the contact points are at the top of the long contact post which, > even with a light touch, gives some pressure to the posts. Or the countersink > for the screws in the plastic is too big which could cause it. Or the screws are > aluminum and the posts stainless - two different expansion rates in variable > temps. > > Having said that, my good friend N3EWW doesn't have any issues with his > KXPD2 and hasn't had. I had his radio for an entire week using the paddles > and never once loosened up. So it might be a quality control problem. > > The KXPD3 is a whole different construction. The contact posts are shorter and > I have not had any issues with them loosening up even under heavy use. I like > their overall look of them also. > > As far as cosmetic things, they look good, feel good when properly adjusted and > seem to work just fine (other than the contact post issue). I will say neither one > is for the heavy handed CW op unless you have a way to secure the radio. Then > again, if you are heavy handed, that could be an issue with respect to the contact > posts. > > Now if I had known at the time I ordered the KX2, I would have opted for the KXPD3 > with the shorter screws for the KX2. Why they designed a separate set of paddles > for the KX2 I don't know, but it might have been a smarter idea to just stick with what > worked rather than design a new set to help keep the costs down on the KX2 options. > > However, when I called Elecraft, my complaint was heard and they are looking into > the issue. Hopefully they can come up with an answer. > > Best regards, > > Tom, W1TEF > Lexington County, SC > > > On 8/4/2016 1:22 PM, Sid Frissell wrote: >> Well, I guess I've wrung all the opinions out of you re. KXPD 2 vs KXPD3. Seems like the KXPD2 is preferred. >> Thanks to all who commented on and off list. >> >> Sid, NZ7M >> >> Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w1tef at swsports.org >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Aug 4 16:41:44 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 13:41:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In my 1999 paper, /"Balanced Transmission Line in Current Amateur Practice"/ (http://k6mhe.com/n7ws/Ladder_Line.pdf), published in the /ARRL Antenna Compendium, Volume 6, /pp 174-178, I have this statement: "A popular multiband wire antenna is the so-called G5RV. This antenna is rarely used as was intended by Varney, but for some reason, the 102-foot length has taken on mystical properties,...." It's a pity that too many newcomers, as well as many oldsters, are enamored by this piece of wire. First, a 102' length is not resonant on 20-meters, so in common jargon, it's *not* a 20-meter antenna, any more than any other random length would be. Second, I understand that the conventional wisdom is that it has "gain" on 20-meters. Maybe so, but the usual application has the wire strung up between available supports that may, or may not, direct the "gain" in a useful direction. A coax-fed, rotatable, resonant dipole would run rings around a G5RV. (While it's off-topic on this off-topic subject, the fascination with the "magical" 43-foot vertical is equally bewildering to me.) In my published paper, space limited any discussion of tuner loss, however, in 1994 (type)written correspondence with editor Dean Straw I gave him examples of the horrific losses that could be incurred even with high quality tuners, when used as proposed the the article* that got me going on this subject. It's interesting to note that to my knowledge, loss in tuners had never been mentioned in any ARRL publications before this correspondence. Shortly thereafter, "/How to Evaluate Your Antenna Tuner" /was published in 1995. Coincidence I'm sure. BTW, any ARRL publication before 1994 with charts of transmission line loss that include open-wire line is incorrect. It's easily seen by inspection, but apparenty I was to first to inspect it. Dean and I hashed out a correct attenuation chart. Wes N7WS * "/The Lure of the Ladder Line", QST, /December 1993, pp. 70-71 : On 8/4/2016 11:08 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > As usual, Jim is correct ... > > I have Lou Varney's original article. The G5RV was designed as a 20M > --ONLY-- antenna. It's now achieved some kind of cult ... read voodoo ... > status. (;-) > > If one has an antenna that is partially fed with balanced line that's then > directly (!) spliced to a specific length of coax and then still requires a > tuner, why not run the balanced line directly to the tuner ... assuming it > has a balun ... or provide one at the tuner? > > This same argument would apply to Varney's design for a 20M only dipole. > > Maybe he didn't have a tuner of any kind, and wanted to use coax feed line > because there was a coax connector on his rig. (;-) > > 73 > > K0PP From n1al at sonic.net Thu Aug 4 17:00:41 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 14:00:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > It's a pity that too many newcomers, as well as many oldsters, are > enamored by this piece of wire. The G4RV is definitely a compromise antenna. However its advantage is that is has low-enough SWR to be easily matched by most tuners on a number of bands. > ... the horrific losses that could be incurred even > with high quality tuners, It's true that tuner losses are the manufacturers' dirty little secret. Loss is rarely specified, partly because it can be pretty bad, and partly because it is hard to measure, but also because it is not constant - it depends on the particular impedance being matched. One exception is the old Drake tuners. Their Pi-L topology makes the loss almost independent of the load impedance. If you can get it to match, you know that almost all the power is going into the feed line. For example, the MN-2700 that I designed when I was at Drake was specified at 0.5 dB maximum insertion loss and I did a lot of testing and tweaking to achieve that on all bands. Alan N1AL From mveeneman at yahoo.com Thu Aug 4 17:15:57 2016 From: mveeneman at yahoo.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 17:15:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles In-Reply-To: <7402860B-8B62-488E-B957-0B8C6B4A33B7@elecraft.com> References: <3A8E50D4-8E63-453C-9890-FEDC2CEC4549@gmail.com> <281731a8-87e8-614f-12c8-e62cb7e6004c@swsports.org> <7402860B-8B62-488E-B957-0B8C6B4A33B7@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <2D588853-3011-4846-81F2-B61FCCC47DE7@yahoo.com> > On Aug 4, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > Your KXPD2 should not have any issue with contact screws loosening over time. Please return them for rework. Sorry about that. Mine arrived yesterday and I had to have Chris at Elecraft explain to me that, "Yes, it will fit the pins on the KX3. You just have to tilt it upward slightly and then shove it between the pins and the circuit board that blocks entry." and "No, I don't know why they turned the jack 90 degrees compared to the KXPD3." But when I finally installed it on the KX3, I was surprised to hear dit dah dit dah no matter which paddle I touched. Those posts Tom mentioned (not contact screws) were wobbling severely between contacts whenever either paddle was pressed. Nothing found in the brief instruction sheet, but I pulled the paddle back out of the hole and began inspecting. The Phillips screws in the countersinks behind the paddles, the ones attached to the contact posts, were loose. A #1 Phillips bit turned each one several revolutions before tightening. Smaller fingers would have helped hold the contact posts steady during that process. I've only used the paddle for about 10 minutes of sending so far. I don't think the posts have loosened but it's easy enough to check with a pointed pencil. Just stab the tapped hole in the top of each post and press sideways. Or watch the post while keying normally. Which is better, KXPD3 or KXPD2? The xx2 doesn't match aesthetics of the KX3 but it is superior in use. I make fewer errors at 40 wpm with it. As to the earlier comment about the $135 cost of a new KXPD3: frankly the KXPD3 is an exceptionally good paddle. I own about 30 or 40 paddles, mostly high end, and these Elecraft creations compete well. I find them superior to the Palm and Begali models made to fit the front panel screw holes on the KX3. (Both are for sale if interested.) Elecraft did repair (or replace, I'm not sure) one of my KXPD3s that had the intermittent contact problem. There's been no further problem at all, and I do use both frequently on my other 2 KX3s. If it weren't for the angle of use issue with these paddles, they'd be ranked at the top of popularity lists, along with Profi, Diregent, 9A5N, N3ZN, Mercury, and Hex. The KXPD3 is that good. And if the posts stay stable, KXPD2 is even better. -- Marc W8SDG From w1tef at swsports.org Thu Aug 4 17:20:19 2016 From: w1tef at swsports.org (Tom Francis) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 17:20:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles In-Reply-To: <7402860B-8B62-488E-B957-0B8C6B4A33B7@elecraft.com> References: <3A8E50D4-8E63-453C-9890-FEDC2CEC4549@gmail.com> <281731a8-87e8-614f-12c8-e62cb7e6004c@swsports.org> <7402860B-8B62-488E-B957-0B8C6B4A33B7@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Wayne, I am constantly amazed at the quality Customer Service Elecraft provides it's customer base. How many people can say they got a reply from one of the guys who owns the company? Thank you very much - the paddles will be on their way tomorrow. Thanks for the information - I appreciate it. I really like both my KX3 and KX2 - I have a hard time choosing between the two if I'm going somewhere. :-) Thanks again - much appreciated. Very best regards, Tom, W1TEF Lexington County, SC On 8/4/2016 3:37 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Your KXPD2 should not have any issue with contact screws loosening over time. Please return them for rework. Sorry about that. > > We needed a new paddle was for the KX2 because it's a much smaller radio. Some operators using a KXPD3 with the KX2 find that they have to hold the radio in place, because the KXPD3 has much longer paddle arms. This is much less likely with the KXPD2. > > The KXPD2 is also smaller, so it takes less room inside a small travel bag like our CS40. > > Finally, some customers have asked if we could attach the adjustment wrench to the paddle for storage. We had a opportunity to implement this feature in the new design. The KXPD2 has a 3D-printed housing with clips built in for this purpose. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Tom Francis wrote: > >> I have both, am primarily a CW operator and this is my impression. >> >> The KXPD2 has "issues" - at least for me. The contact posts keep loosening up - >> it doesn't matter how hard I tighten them (I'm afraid of over torquing the screws >> but they are snug), they loosen up. I tried non-hardening Loc-Tite on the screws >> to no avail. It only seems to happen in a long QSO - not sure if its the vibration >> or the fact that the contact points are at the top of the long contact post which, >> even with a light touch, gives some pressure to the posts. Or the countersink >> for the screws in the plastic is too big which could cause it. Or the screws are >> aluminum and the posts stainless - two different expansion rates in variable >> temps. >> >> Having said that, my good friend N3EWW doesn't have any issues with his >> KXPD2 and hasn't had. I had his radio for an entire week using the paddles >> and never once loosened up. So it might be a quality control problem. >> >> The KXPD3 is a whole different construction. The contact posts are shorter and >> I have not had any issues with them loosening up even under heavy use. I like >> their overall look of them also. >> >> As far as cosmetic things, they look good, feel good when properly adjusted and >> seem to work just fine (other than the contact post issue). I will say neither one >> is for the heavy handed CW op unless you have a way to secure the radio. Then >> again, if you are heavy handed, that could be an issue with respect to the contact >> posts. >> >> Now if I had known at the time I ordered the KX2, I would have opted for the KXPD3 >> with the shorter screws for the KX2. Why they designed a separate set of paddles >> for the KX2 I don't know, but it might have been a smarter idea to just stick with what >> worked rather than design a new set to help keep the costs down on the KX2 options. >> >> However, when I called Elecraft, my complaint was heard and they are looking into >> the issue. Hopefully they can come up with an answer. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Tom, W1TEF >> Lexington County, SC >> >> >> On 8/4/2016 1:22 PM, Sid Frissell wrote: >>> Well, I guess I've wrung all the opinions out of you re. KXPD 2 vs KXPD3. Seems like the KXPD2 is preferred. >>> Thanks to all who commented on and off list. >>> >>> Sid, NZ7M >>> >>> Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to w1tef at swsports.org >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > From lists at subich.com Thu Aug 4 17:27:03 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 17:27:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/4/2016 4:41 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > First, a 102' length is not resonant on 20-meters, so in common > jargon, it's *not* a 20-meter antenna, any more than any other random > length would be. *Not* true ... 102' is three half-waves on 20 meters: 984/2 * (3 -.05) / 14.15 = 102.6' Check the ARRL antenna book for the formula of a "harmonic wire" - in this case three half waves. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From eric at elecraft.com Thu Aug 4 17:27:35 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 14:27:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles In-Reply-To: References: <3A8E50D4-8E63-453C-9890-FEDC2CEC4549@gmail.com> <281731a8-87e8-614f-12c8-e62cb7e6004c@swsports.org> <7402860B-8B62-488E-B957-0B8C6B4A33B7@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1232a8b4-3b82-8bc1-dd93-6031c056521f@elecraft.com> Hi Tom - Before shipping the paddle, please make sure first to contact our support team via support at elecraft.com or on the phone to get a return Service Authorization (RSA) tracking number, return instructions and our correct return shipping address information. That will speed its repair and avoid any chance of losing it here. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ === On 8/4/2016 2:20 PM, Tom Francis wrote: > Wayne, > > I am constantly amazed at the quality Customer Service Elecraft provides > it's customer base. How many people can say they got a reply from one > of the guys who owns the company? > > Thank you very much - the paddles will be on their way tomorrow. > > Thanks for the information - I appreciate it. I really like both my KX3 and > KX2 - I have a hard time choosing between the two if I'm going somewhere. :-) > > Thanks again - much appreciated. > > Very best regards, > > Tom, W1TEF > Lexington County, SC > > On 8/4/2016 3:37 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Hi Tom, >> >> Your KXPD2 should not have any issue with contact screws loosening over time. >> Please return them for rework. Sorry about that. >> >> We needed a new paddle was for the KX2 because it's a much smaller radio. >> Some operators using a KXPD3 with the KX2 find that they have to hold the >> radio in place, because the KXPD3 has much longer paddle arms. This is much >> less likely with the KXPD2. >> >> The KXPD2 is also smaller, so it takes less room inside a small travel bag >> like our CS40. >> >> Finally, some customers have asked if we could attach the adjustment wrench >> to the paddle for storage. We had a opportunity to implement this feature in >> the new design. The KXPD2 has a 3D-printed housing with clips built in for >> this purpose. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Tom Francis wrote: >> >>> I have both, am primarily a CW operator and this is my impression. >>> >>> The KXPD2 has "issues" - at least for me. The contact posts keep loosening >>> up - >>> it doesn't matter how hard I tighten them (I'm afraid of over torquing the >>> screws >>> but they are snug), they loosen up. I tried non-hardening Loc-Tite on the >>> screws >>> to no avail. It only seems to happen in a long QSO - not sure if its the >>> vibration >>> or the fact that the contact points are at the top of the long contact post >>> which, >>> even with a light touch, gives some pressure to the posts. Or the countersink >>> for the screws in the plastic is too big which could cause it. Or the screws >>> are >>> aluminum and the posts stainless - two different expansion rates in variable >>> temps. >>> >>> Having said that, my good friend N3EWW doesn't have any issues with his >>> KXPD2 and hasn't had. I had his radio for an entire week using the paddles >>> and never once loosened up. So it might be a quality control problem. >>> >>> The KXPD3 is a whole different construction. The contact posts are shorter and >>> I have not had any issues with them loosening up even under heavy use. I like >>> their overall look of them also. >>> >>> As far as cosmetic things, they look good, feel good when properly adjusted and >>> seem to work just fine (other than the contact post issue). I will say >>> neither one >>> is for the heavy handed CW op unless you have a way to secure the radio. Then >>> again, if you are heavy handed, that could be an issue with respect to the >>> contact >>> posts. >>> >>> Now if I had known at the time I ordered the KX2, I would have opted for the >>> KXPD3 >>> with the shorter screws for the KX2. Why they designed a separate set of >>> paddles >>> for the KX2 I don't know, but it might have been a smarter idea to just >>> stick with what >>> worked rather than design a new set to help keep the costs down on the KX2 >>> options. >>> >>> However, when I called Elecraft, my complaint was heard and they are looking >>> into >>> the issue. Hopefully they can come up with an answer. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Tom, W1TEF >>> Lexington County, SC >>> >>> >>> On 8/4/2016 1:22 PM, Sid Frissell wrote: >>>> Well, I guess I've wrung all the opinions out of you re. KXPD 2 vs KXPD3. >>>> Seems like the KXPD2 is preferred. >>>> Thanks to all who commented on and off list. >>>> >>>> Sid, NZ7M >>>> >>>> Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to w1tef at swsports.org >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From w1tef at swsports.org Thu Aug 4 17:36:59 2016 From: w1tef at swsports.org (Tom Francis) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 17:36:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles In-Reply-To: <1232a8b4-3b82-8bc1-dd93-6031c056521f@elecraft.com> References: <3A8E50D4-8E63-453C-9890-FEDC2CEC4549@gmail.com> <281731a8-87e8-614f-12c8-e62cb7e6004c@swsports.org> <7402860B-8B62-488E-B957-0B8C6B4A33B7@elecraft.com> <1232a8b4-3b82-8bc1-dd93-6031c056521f@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Will do - thank you. Tom, W1TEF On 8/4/2016 5:27 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > Hi Tom - Before shipping the paddle, please make sure first to contact > our support team via support at elecraft.com or on the phone to get a > return Service Authorization (RSA) tracking number, return > instructions and our correct return shipping address information. > > That will speed its repair and avoid any chance of losing it here. > > 73, > Eric > /elecraft.com/ > === > > On 8/4/2016 2:20 PM, Tom Francis wrote: >> Wayne, >> >> I am constantly amazed at the quality Customer Service Elecraft provides >> it's customer base. How many people can say they got a reply from one >> of the guys who owns the company? >> >> Thank you very much - the paddles will be on their way tomorrow. >> >> Thanks for the information - I appreciate it. I really like both my >> KX3 and >> KX2 - I have a hard time choosing between the two if I'm going >> somewhere. :-) >> >> Thanks again - much appreciated. >> >> Very best regards, >> >> Tom, W1TEF >> Lexington County, SC >> >> On 8/4/2016 3:37 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Hi Tom, >>> >>> Your KXPD2 should not have any issue with contact screws loosening >>> over time. Please return them for rework. Sorry about that. >>> >>> We needed a new paddle was for the KX2 because it's a much smaller >>> radio. Some operators using a KXPD3 with the KX2 find that they have >>> to hold the radio in place, because the KXPD3 has much longer paddle >>> arms. This is much less likely with the KXPD2. >>> >>> The KXPD2 is also smaller, so it takes less room inside a small >>> travel bag like our CS40. >>> >>> Finally, some customers have asked if we could attach the adjustment >>> wrench to the paddle for storage. We had a opportunity to implement >>> this feature in the new design. The KXPD2 has a 3D-printed housing >>> with clips built in for this purpose. >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>> On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Tom Francis wrote: >>> >>>> I have both, am primarily a CW operator and this is my impression. >>>> >>>> The KXPD2 has "issues" - at least for me. The contact posts keep >>>> loosening up - >>>> it doesn't matter how hard I tighten them (I'm afraid of over >>>> torquing the screws >>>> but they are snug), they loosen up. I tried non-hardening Loc-Tite >>>> on the screws >>>> to no avail. It only seems to happen in a long QSO - not sure if >>>> its the vibration >>>> or the fact that the contact points are at the top of the long >>>> contact post which, >>>> even with a light touch, gives some pressure to the posts. Or the >>>> countersink >>>> for the screws in the plastic is too big which could cause it. Or >>>> the screws are >>>> aluminum and the posts stainless - two different expansion rates in >>>> variable >>>> temps. >>>> >>>> Having said that, my good friend N3EWW doesn't have any issues with >>>> his >>>> KXPD2 and hasn't had. I had his radio for an entire week using the >>>> paddles >>>> and never once loosened up. So it might be a quality control problem. >>>> >>>> The KXPD3 is a whole different construction. The contact posts are >>>> shorter and >>>> I have not had any issues with them loosening up even under heavy >>>> use. I like >>>> their overall look of them also. >>>> >>>> As far as cosmetic things, they look good, feel good when properly >>>> adjusted and >>>> seem to work just fine (other than the contact post issue). I will >>>> say neither one >>>> is for the heavy handed CW op unless you have a way to secure the >>>> radio. Then >>>> again, if you are heavy handed, that could be an issue with respect >>>> to the contact >>>> posts. >>>> >>>> Now if I had known at the time I ordered the KX2, I would have >>>> opted for the KXPD3 >>>> with the shorter screws for the KX2. Why they designed a separate >>>> set of paddles >>>> for the KX2 I don't know, but it might have been a smarter idea to >>>> just stick with what >>>> worked rather than design a new set to help keep the costs down on >>>> the KX2 options. >>>> >>>> However, when I called Elecraft, my complaint was heard and they >>>> are looking into >>>> the issue. Hopefully they can come up with an answer. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Tom, W1TEF >>>> Lexington County, SC >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/4/2016 1:22 PM, Sid Frissell wrote: >>>>> Well, I guess I've wrung all the opinions out of you re. KXPD 2 vs >>>>> KXPD3. Seems like the KXPD2 is preferred. >>>>> Thanks to all who commented on and off list. >>>>> >>>>> Sid, NZ7M >>>>> >>>>> Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to w1tef at swsports.org >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com >> > From fraz1 at bellsouth.net Thu Aug 4 18:14:21 2016 From: fraz1 at bellsouth.net (John Frazier) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 17:14:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57A3BE3D.8040806@bellsouth.net> Wes...... Over the years, immediately after a change in QTH, I have used the G5RV as an interim antenna. My personal experience is that it is a reasonable performer, as compared to a single band, resonant half-wave dipole, at the same height, fed by the same coax/length. While I certainly don't accept as Gospel everything that Tom W8JI publishes, I generally find his work to be sound and educational. How do you reconcile your position versus Tom's on this antenna? I'll attempt to list the link here, but if it doesn't "take", just search "W8JI G5RV". His hands-on A/B testing is interesting, along with his modeling showing well less than 1db difference between the G5RV and resonant half-wave dipole on 80 40 20, and within 1.5 db on 15. He suggests a length ratio of roughly 80/20% versus the apparent standard of 67/33%. Like all antennas, construction, proximity to interfering objects, and height make a huge difference in performance. 73 John W4II http://www.w8ji.com/g5rv_facts.htm From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Aug 4 18:22:49 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 15:22:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89f994de-a44c-2e97-01fa-0262bea82505@foothill.net> Ummm ... my HP48GX says 102' is very very close to 3 half-waves at 14 MHz which sounds sort of resonant-ish. Maybe a little known bug in my calculator? On a similar path, I decided to try out the 80-10 EFHW from MyAntennas as an HOA Stealth antenna strung along the top of a 6' fence. It's 130' long, has a 6 turn series inductor wound on a Sch 40 PVC fitting a short distance out from a heavy-ish box with an SO-239. I figured there might be a 50 ohm resistor in the box a la the famous B&W folded dipole that graces many National Guard Armories. The impedance sweep when I got it yielded close enough to 50+j0 ohms on all bands ... except 60 m that my K3/100 is happy without the KAT3. It also revealed nearly infinite impedance between the bands, sort of ruling out the resistor [I've come to believe it's a transformer, maybe of the "auto" variety]. It works surprisingly well. On 80 and 40 it's pretty NVIS, which happens to be what I'm looking for. Above 40, the pattern starts to become more complex and much less vertical if I can believe EZNEC. 6' AGL is obviously not optimal ... except for our HOA and the CC&R's ... but I'm very surprised at how well it does, especially at the bottom of the cycle. This list seems to have a number of antenna experts aboard [and maybe a few who play antenna experts on TV] ... would anyone like to 'splain to me how it achieves low SWR on all bands? I could probably ferret that out with enough time, but if someone already knows ... 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 8/4/2016 1:41 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > It's a pity that too many newcomers, as well as many oldsters, are > enamored by this piece of wire. First, a 102' length is not resonant on > 20-meters, so in common jargon, it's *n From ron at cobi.biz Thu Aug 4 18:31:23 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 15:31:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001d01d1ee9f$eea6bad0$cbf43070$@biz> When Varney created his G5RV in 1946 a great many Hams still operated on but one Ham band and parallel (open wire) transmission lines were still common. The 102-foot G5RV is a 1-1/2 wave center fed doublet at 14.15 MHz. According to one of my favorite wire antenna writers, (John Heys, G3BDQ "Practical Wire Antennas"), the original G5RV was fed with a matching section of 34 feet (10.36 meters) followed by any length of 75-ohm "transmitting" twin lead (yes, 75 ohm twin lead was readily available in the late 40's and 50's). In the years following WWII there was proliferation of kits and commercial Ham transmitters (compared to almost none pre war) and most of those were "multi-band" types, typically covering 80,40,20 and 10 meters (no 30 or 15 meter bands in those days). Hams started trying to use their G5RV on other bands. Also the masses of very cheap "war surplus" coax and the need for TVI suppression started driving Hams away from open wire line. Varney updated the design to try to accommodate multiband operation and coax feed in the July, 1984 issue of "Radio Communication" (the RSGB magazine). In the yearss since the G5RV has acquired a "mystical patina" as a wave-launching wire, along with other oddities such as the W3EDP. 73, Ron AC7AC From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 18:55:32 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 18:55:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: <89f994de-a44c-2e97-01fa-0262bea82505@foothill.net> References: <89f994de-a44c-2e97-01fa-0262bea82505@foothill.net> Message-ID: Hi Fred, Loss *anywhere* would broaden the antenna. Famously the B&W folded dipole, fed at the center of one wire, and terminated with an RF resistor at the center of the other, has for decades been serving commercial installations with widely separated operating frequencies not connected by any fortunate harmonic relationship. That antenna has roughly an intentional 3 dB loss at a designed position in the antenna. See https://www.bwantennas.com/images/fdipole.gif for a drawing. In the case of your EFHW, the broadening loss is the dielectric loss in the fence itself, and in the ground very close underneath. The B&W folded dipole as a solution sticks in the craw of a lot of hams, because we always think there is some way to navigate the problems and keep the 3 dB for ourselves. The thought of heating up the air with half the power out from out two kilo-buck brick-on-key PileUpBuster brand amp just bothers us no end. And where the power to the antenna cannot be increased by 3 dB to compensate, if we regularly work the barely open paths on the low bands for new DX and contest multipliers, that 3 dB can make a huge difference. BUT... If we are just dodging the HOA, vs creating a remote site, or not operating at all, what you describe seems quite reasonable. One half wave on 80, two on 40, three on 30m, four on 20m, etc. allow a rather simple feed mechanism, and any sloppiness will be mitigated to some degree in the unavoidable dielectric loss of the fence and ground. In the past, particularly with tetrode final tube(s), a pi network would absorb ugly antenna impedances just by load and tune, easily servicing impedances that would croak transistor amps. Back in 1959 I regularly worked the traffic nets end-feeding 120 feet of wandering wire up about 20 feet against a ground pipe, fed with about 30 feet of coax directly from an 807 tetrode and a pi network. I was not loud, but I won a BPL medallion. A later addition of a home brew 250TH amp improved things quite a bit for the folks on the other end, but the antenna was as much as I could ever do from that location. 73, Guy K2AV On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Ummm ... my HP48GX says 102' is very very close to 3 half-waves at 14 MHz > which sounds sort of resonant-ish. Maybe a little known bug in my > calculator? > > On a similar path, I decided to try out the 80-10 EFHW from MyAntennas as > an HOA Stealth antenna strung along the top of a 6' fence. It's 130' long, > has a 6 turn series inductor wound on a Sch 40 PVC fitting a short distance > out from a heavy-ish box with an SO-239. I figured there might be a 50 ohm > resistor in the box a la the famous B&W folded dipole that graces many > National Guard Armories. > > The impedance sweep when I got it yielded close enough to 50+j0 ohms on > all bands ... except 60 m that my K3/100 is happy without the KAT3. It > also revealed nearly infinite impedance between the bands, sort of ruling > out the resistor [I've come to believe it's a transformer, maybe of the > "auto" variety]. > > It works surprisingly well. On 80 and 40 it's pretty NVIS, which happens > to be what I'm looking for. Above 40, the pattern starts to become more > complex and much less vertical if I can believe EZNEC. 6' AGL is obviously > not optimal ... except for our HOA and the CC&R's ... but I'm very > surprised at how well it does, especially at the bottom of the cycle. > > This list seems to have a number of antenna experts aboard [and maybe a > few who play antenna experts on TV] ... would anyone like to 'splain to me > how it achieves low SWR on all bands? I could probably ferret that out > with enough time, but if someone already knows ... > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV > Washoe County DM09dn > > On 8/4/2016 1:41 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > It's a pity that too many newcomers, as well as many oldsters, are >> enamored by this piece of wire. First, a 102' length is not resonant on >> 20-meters, so in common jargon, it's *n >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Thu Aug 4 19:24:12 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:24:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S with Internal ATU(KAT3A) and Remote ATU? In-Reply-To: References: <1470220490844-7621137.post@n2.nabble.com> <1470327382823-7621174.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1470353052317-7621193.post@n2.nabble.com> Good learning here all, thanks. And Jim, very nice review of 43ft Verticals - thanks! Bret/KC1CJN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-with-Internal-ATU-KAT3A-and-Remote-ATU-tp7621137p7621193.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Aug 4 19:31:26 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:31:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: <89f994de-a44c-2e97-01fa-0262bea82505@foothill.net> Message-ID: <608940AB-220C-4AE4-A10C-06AFD96AF1CC@wunderwood.org> There is one efficient way to broaden an antenna?s frequency range?lower the Q. That is usually done with large-diameter elements. You can cover all of the 80 meter band with reasonable SWR using a ?cage dipole?. That is what they do at W1AW. At VHF/UHF, you may see bowtie antennas, which are also low-Q. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 4, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > Hi Fred, > > Loss *anywhere* would broaden the antenna. Famously the B&W folded dipole, > fed at the center of one wire, and terminated with an RF resistor at the > center of the other, has for decades been serving commercial installations > with widely separated operating frequencies not connected by any fortunate > harmonic relationship. That antenna has roughly an intentional 3 dB loss at > a designed position in the antenna. See > https://www.bwantennas.com/images/fdipole.gif for a drawing. > > In the case of your EFHW, the broadening loss is the dielectric loss in the > fence itself, and in the ground very close underneath. > > The B&W folded dipole as a solution sticks in the craw of a lot of hams, > because we always think there is some way to navigate the problems and keep > the 3 dB for ourselves. The thought of heating up the air with half the > power out from out two kilo-buck brick-on-key PileUpBuster brand amp just > bothers us no end. > > And where the power to the antenna cannot be increased by 3 dB to > compensate, if we regularly work the barely open paths on the low bands for > new DX and contest multipliers, that 3 dB can make a huge difference. > > BUT... > > If we are just dodging the HOA, vs creating a remote site, or not operating > at all, what you describe seems quite reasonable. One half wave on 80, two > on 40, three on 30m, four on 20m, etc. allow a rather simple feed > mechanism, and any sloppiness will be mitigated to some degree in the > unavoidable dielectric loss of the fence and ground. > > In the past, particularly with tetrode final tube(s), a pi network would > absorb ugly antenna impedances just by load and tune, easily servicing > impedances that would croak transistor amps. Back in 1959 I regularly > worked the traffic nets end-feeding 120 feet of wandering wire up about 20 > feet against a ground pipe, fed with about 30 feet of coax directly from an > 807 tetrode and a pi network. I was not loud, but I won a BPL medallion. A > later addition of a home brew 250TH amp improved things quite a bit for the > folks on the other end, but the antenna was as much as I could ever do from > that location. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > >> Ummm ... my HP48GX says 102' is very very close to 3 half-waves at 14 MHz >> which sounds sort of resonant-ish. Maybe a little known bug in my >> calculator? >> >> On a similar path, I decided to try out the 80-10 EFHW from MyAntennas as >> an HOA Stealth antenna strung along the top of a 6' fence. It's 130' long, >> has a 6 turn series inductor wound on a Sch 40 PVC fitting a short distance >> out from a heavy-ish box with an SO-239. I figured there might be a 50 ohm >> resistor in the box a la the famous B&W folded dipole that graces many >> National Guard Armories. >> >> The impedance sweep when I got it yielded close enough to 50+j0 ohms on >> all bands ... except 60 m that my K3/100 is happy without the KAT3. It >> also revealed nearly infinite impedance between the bands, sort of ruling >> out the resistor [I've come to believe it's a transformer, maybe of the >> "auto" variety]. >> >> It works surprisingly well. On 80 and 40 it's pretty NVIS, which happens >> to be what I'm looking for. Above 40, the pattern starts to become more >> complex and much less vertical if I can believe EZNEC. 6' AGL is obviously >> not optimal ... except for our HOA and the CC&R's ... but I'm very >> surprised at how well it does, especially at the bottom of the cycle. >> >> This list seems to have a number of antenna experts aboard [and maybe a >> few who play antenna experts on TV] ... would anyone like to 'splain to me >> how it achieves low SWR on all bands? I could probably ferret that out >> with enough time, but if someone already knows ... >> >> 73, >> >> Fred K6DGW >> Sparks NV >> Washoe County DM09dn >> >> On 8/4/2016 1:41 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> >> It's a pity that too many newcomers, as well as many oldsters, are >>> enamored by this piece of wire. First, a 102' length is not resonant on >>> 20-meters, so in common jargon, it's *n >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From k3 at hollywoodtitle.com Thu Aug 4 19:37:58 2016 From: k3 at hollywoodtitle.com (Elecraft K3) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:37:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: <57A3BE3D.8040806@bellsouth.net> References: <57A3BE3D.8040806@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: John, I think this is a reasonable conclusion. Early on I used a G5RV and it was invaluable reference for my later antenna building experience. I went to build doublets in the same space and I still keep an 80m doublet in the air. Recently I have gotten into building no compromise rotatable dipoles. By no compromise I mean full sized monoband rotatable dipoles - no traps, coils or cap hats 1/2 wave off the ground in free space. These are relatively easy to build without a huge tower if you keep the weight down. That?s not too hard to do without a boom to support the parisitic elements. Great bang for the buck. Another country heard from, 73 de Eric, KG6MZS > On Aug 4, 2016, at 3:14 PM, John Frazier wrote: > > Over the years, immediately after a change in QTH, I have used the G5RV as an interim antenna. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 4 19:41:48 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 19:41:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wes and all, Yes, the G5RV, the Off-Center-Fed antennas (Carolina Windom for one example) and the 43 foot vertical have become "magical" antennas, and I am not certain why. My best guess is that they are "salvation" for hams who want to operate on multiple bands with one antenna, and they can be made to "work" in one fashion or another. All need a tuner of some sort, and the 43 foot vertical needs a remote tuner at the base for efficient operation, or at least a matching section for each band at the base for efficient operation. One could feed that vertical with low loss open wire line and put the matching tuner in the shack, but most choose to feed with coax along with the attendant losses incurred if no matching is done at the vertical base. IMHO, resonant fan dipoles are a much better solution - whether those be constructed as inverted Vee's or whether as parallel dipoles separated by 1 foot or more to reduce interaction. I use resonant parallel dipoles here. The 80 and 40 inverted vee's are supported on a 50 foot tower and the 80 meter legs are perpendicular to the 40 meter legs, so there is no interaction. I have another 3 band band fan dipole for 20, 15, and 10 hung as a horizontal dipole with the radiators separated 1 foot from each other (other than at the center point) and a similar 3 band fan dipole for 30, 17, and 12 meters. That means 3 coax lines into the shack, or a remote antenna switch - which I use because I have other antennas to deal with, a 60 meter inverted vee, and a Gap Titan vertical. As far as I am concerned, resonant dipoles are the preferred solution. Other antennas may work, but are a compromise, and some (particularly the OCF antennas) produce RF-in-the-Shack that can be difficult to suppress. There is no "magic" with antennas. Some antenna designs were created when we had PA output circuits that could handle a wide range of antenna impedances and used low loss open wire feedlines. That is no longer the case with the transceiver (or amplifier) that needs to operate into a 50 ohm load, and ATUs with limited matching range. So take your pick and know the hazards and consequences of that choice. Any antenna that you can feed power to will radiate, but some do it better than others. My choice is to use center fed dipoles which at any length can be easily tamed, and I shy away from the OCF antennas which can create RF-in-the-Shack problems. There is no "magic" with antennas, the knowledge base for radiation from a wire (or piece of aluminum) has been around for many long years, but the resulting feedpoint impedance is what we commonly deal with along with all its hazards and consequences. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/4/2016 4:41 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > In my 1999 paper, /"Balanced Transmission Line in Current Amateur > Practice"/ (http://k6mhe.com/n7ws/Ladder_Line.pdf), published in the > /ARRL Antenna Compendium, Volume 6, /pp 174-178, I have this > statement: "A popular multiband wire antenna is the so-called G5RV. > This antenna is rarely used as was intended by Varney, but for some > reason, the 102-foot length has taken on mystical properties,...." > > It's a pity that too many newcomers, as well as many oldsters, are > enamored by this piece of wire. First, a 102' length is not resonant > on 20-meters, so in common jargon, it's *not* a 20-meter antenna, any > more than any other random length would be. Second, I understand that > the conventional wisdom is that it has "gain" on 20-meters. Maybe so, > but the usual application has the wire strung up between available > supports that may, or may not, direct the "gain" in a useful > direction. A coax-fed, rotatable, resonant dipole would run rings > around a G5RV. > > (While it's off-topic on this off-topic subject, the fascination with > the "magical" 43-foot vertical is equally bewildering to me.) > From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Thu Aug 4 19:48:07 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:48:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: <89f994de-a44c-2e97-01fa-0262bea82505@foothill.net> Message-ID: <89cd9350-efeb-30ee-811a-cbe58d7b0a5f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> What happens if the antenna is well above ground, away from any fences? On 8/4/2016 3:55 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > If we are just dodging the HOA, vs creating a remote site, or not operating > at all, what you describe seems quite reasonable. One half wave on 80, two > on 40, three on 30m, four on 20m, etc. allow a rather simple feed > mechanism, and any sloppiness will be mitigated to some degree in the > unavoidable dielectric loss of the fence and ground. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 4 20:21:23 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 17:21:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: <608940AB-220C-4AE4-A10C-06AFD96AF1CC@wunderwood.org> References: <89f994de-a44c-2e97-01fa-0262bea82505@foothill.net> <608940AB-220C-4AE4-A10C-06AFD96AF1CC@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <418a416d-cd50-383b-efc8-2035d4f89873@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,8/4/2016 4:31 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > There is one efficient way to broaden an antenna?s frequency range?lower the Q. That is usually done with large-diameter elements. You can cover all of the 80 meter band with reasonable SWR using a ?cage dipole?. That is what they do at W1AW. At VHF/UHF, you may see bowtie antennas, which are also low-Q. Exactly right. I've used that technique on my 160M Tee vertical. On Thu,8/4/2016 4:37 PM, Elecraft K3 wrote: > Recently I have gotten into building no compromise rotatable dipoles. By no compromise I mean full sized monoband rotatable dipoles - no traps, coils or cap hats 1/2 wave off the ground in free space. These are relatively easy to build without a huge tower if you keep the weight down. That?s not too hard to do without a boom to support the parisitic elements. Great bang for the buck. Exactly right -- height matters, and 1/2 wave is an excellent height for any dipole. I have two half wave fan dipoles for 80 and40 at right angles, up about 140 ft. Same idea, but organic supports (redwoods). :) Nothing's free though -- tree climbers cost money, and so does 130 ft of tower, safely installed. :) 73, Jim K9YC From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Aug 4 20:34:04 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 20:34:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <091517B1-DDFC-4781-A420-B06DCA4B8290@widomaker.com> Let's see, 102 + 33 = 135. Isn't that pretty close to the length of an 80 Meter Dipole? The G5RV looks like two back-to-back inverted "L" antennas. The twin lead is not feed line but part of the radiator. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 4, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > In my 1999 paper, /"Balanced Transmission Line in Current Amateur Practice"/ (http://k6mhe.com/n7ws/Ladder_Line.pdf), published in the /ARRL Antenna Compendium, Volume 6, /pp 174-178, I have this statement: "A popular multiband wire antenna is the so-called G5RV. This antenna is rarely used as was intended by Varney, but for some reason, the 102-foot length has taken on mystical properties,...." > > It's a pity that too many newcomers, as well as many oldsters, are enamored by this piece of wire. First, a 102' length is not resonant on 20-meters, so in common jargon, it's *not* a 20-meter antenna, any more than any other random length would be. Second, I understand that the conventional wisdom is that it has "gain" on 20-meters. Maybe so, but the usual application has the wire strung up between available supports that may, or may not, direct the "gain" in a useful direction. A coax-fed, rotatable, resonant dipole would run rings around a G5RV. > > (While it's off-topic on this off-topic subject, the fascination with the "magical" 43-foot vertical is equally bewildering to me.) > > In my published paper, space limited any discussion of tuner loss, however, in 1994 (type)written correspondence with editor Dean Straw I gave him examples of the horrific losses that could be incurred even with high quality tuners, when used as proposed the the article* that got me going on this subject. It's interesting to note that to my knowledge, loss in tuners had never been mentioned in any ARRL publications before this correspondence. Shortly thereafter, "/How to Evaluate Your Antenna Tuner" /was published in 1995. Coincidence I'm sure. > > BTW, any ARRL publication before 1994 with charts of transmission line loss that include open-wire line is incorrect. It's easily seen by inspection, but apparenty I was to first to inspect it. Dean and I hashed out a correct attenuation chart. > > Wes N7WS > > * "/The Lure of the Ladder Line", QST, /December 1993, pp. 70-71 > > > > > : On 8/4/2016 11:08 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> As usual, Jim is correct ... >> >> I have Lou Varney's original article. The G5RV was designed as a 20M >> --ONLY-- antenna. It's now achieved some kind of cult ... read voodoo ... >> status. (;-) >> >> If one has an antenna that is partially fed with balanced line that's then >> directly (!) spliced to a specific length of coax and then still requires a >> tuner, why not run the balanced line directly to the tuner ... assuming it >> has a balun ... or provide one at the tuner? >> >> This same argument would apply to Varney's design for a 20M only dipole. >> >> Maybe he didn't have a tuner of any kind, and wanted to use coax feed line >> because there was a coax connector on his rig. (;-) >> >> 73 >> >> K0PP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Aug 4 20:41:16 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 17:41:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: <89cd9350-efeb-30ee-811a-cbe58d7b0a5f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <89f994de-a44c-2e97-01fa-0262bea82505@foothill.net> <89cd9350-efeb-30ee-811a-cbe58d7b0a5f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <833b5d60-0f38-f92a-feb6-d1dff0c83ada@foothill.net> My EFHW [granted, it is technically only one half-wave on 80 m] got a pretty good write up in QST not long ago, after I had it installed, and he elevated the far end into a tree. While his review was pretty qualitative [:-(] which has become more common in QST these days, he still got the same impedance sweep 3-30 MHz as I do. So, I'm not sure the electrical characteristics are all that dependent on dielectric loss in my fence. The fence is very dry wood, our relative humidity runs in single digits most of the time, it was 6% last evening. At any rate, it looks like I'm going to sell my KPA500/KAT500, just have to get up the nerve to part with them. The antenna is rated at 500W ICAS [whatever that means quantitatively these days], but I'm loathe to nuke Toady, the neighbor's Lab whose run is directly on the other side of the fence. I do occasionally turn on a couple of lamps in the bedroom on capacitative switches on 80 with 100W, that's enough. My only connection with MyAntennas was to write them a $140 check, but I really am surprised how well it performs in a highly non-optimal configuration. All this "matching bafflegab" was unheard of when I was a young ham. You fed your dipole with 75 ohm twin-lead, coupled it to the PA with a 2 or 3 turn link coil, and as the reactance of the link changed the resonance, you compensated by "re-dipping the plate." Of course, when I was a young ham, dirt was pretty young too. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 8/4/2016 4:48 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > What happens if the antenna is well above ground, away from any fences? > > On 8/4/2016 3:55 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: >> If we are just dodging the HOA, vs creating a remote site, or not >> operating >> at all, what you describe seems quite reasonable. One half wave on 80, >> two >> on 40, three on 30m, four on 20m, etc. allow a rather simple feed >> mechanism, and any sloppiness will be mitigated to some degree in the >> unavoidable dielectric loss of the fence and ground. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7690 / Virus Database: 4627/12747 - Release Date: 08/04/16 > > From eric at elecraft.com Thu Aug 4 20:49:09 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 17:49:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles In-Reply-To: <698DF952-CC4B-4DC1-832B-1FFDD5725C35@icloud.com> References: <3A8E50D4-8E63-453C-9890-FEDC2CEC4549@gmail.com> <281731a8-87e8-614f-12c8-e62cb7e6004c@swsports.org> <7402860B-8B62-488E-B957-0B8C6B4A33B7@elecraft.com> <1232a8b4-3b82-8bc1-dd93-6031c056521f@elecraft.com> <698DF952-CC4B-4DC1-832B-1FFDD5725C35@icloud.com> Message-ID: <65e25e8d-123d-1121-0741-7da393f2ecd8@elecraft.com> The CS40 is the smaller padded soft-case for the KX2 that is just a bit larger than the radio. http://store.lowepro.com/viewpoint-cs-40 The CS60 soft-case is about twice the internal volume as the CS40. http://store.lowepro.com/viewpoint-cs-60 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/4/2016 5:06 PM, Gerry leary wrote: > What is a CS 40 travel bag? > > Sent from my iPhone this time > > On Aug 4, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Tom Francis wrote: > > Will do - thank you. > > Tom, W1TEF > >> On 8/4/2016 5:27 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> Hi Tom - Before shipping the paddle, please make sure first to contact our support team via support at elecraft.com or on the phone to get a return Service Authorization (RSA) tracking number, return instructions and our correct return shipping address information. >> >> That will speed its repair and avoid any chance of losing it here. >> >> 73, >> Eric >> /elecraft.com/ >> === >> >>> On 8/4/2016 2:20 PM, Tom Francis wrote: >>> Wayne, >>> >>> I am constantly amazed at the quality Customer Service Elecraft provides >>> it's customer base. How many people can say they got a reply from one >>> of the guys who owns the company? >>> >>> Thank you very much - the paddles will be on their way tomorrow. >>> >>> Thanks for the information - I appreciate it. I really like both my KX3 and >>> KX2 - I have a hard time choosing between the two if I'm going somewhere. :-) >>> >>> Thanks again - much appreciated. >>> >>> Very best regards, >>> >>> Tom, W1TEF >>> Lexington County, SC >>> >>>> On 8/4/2016 3:37 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>>> Hi Tom, >>>> >>>> Your KXPD2 should not have any issue with contact screws loosening over time. Please return them for rework. Sorry about that. >>>> >>>> We needed a new paddle was for the KX2 because it's a much smaller radio. Some operators using a KXPD3 with the KX2 find that they have to hold the radio in place, because the KXPD3 has much longer paddle arms. This is much less likely with the KXPD2. >>>> >>>> The KXPD2 is also smaller, so it takes less room inside a small travel bag like our CS40. >>>> >>>> Finally, some customers have asked if we could attach the adjustment wrench to the paddle for storage. We had a opportunity to implement this feature in the new design. The KXPD2 has a 3D-printed housing with clips built in for this purpose. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Tom Francis wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have both, am primarily a CW operator and this is my impression. >>>>> >>>>> The KXPD2 has "issues" - at least for me. The contact posts keep loosening up - >>>>> it doesn't matter how hard I tighten them (I'm afraid of over torquing the screws >>>>> but they are snug), they loosen up. I tried non-hardening Loc-Tite on the screws >>>>> to no avail. It only seems to happen in a long QSO - not sure if its the vibration >>>>> or the fact that the contact points are at the top of the long contact post which, >>>>> even with a light touch, gives some pressure to the posts. Or the countersink >>>>> for the screws in the plastic is too big which could cause it. Or the screws are >>>>> aluminum and the posts stainless - two different expansion rates in variable >>>>> temps. >>>>> >>>>> Having said that, my good friend N3EWW doesn't have any issues with his >>>>> KXPD2 and hasn't had. I had his radio for an entire week using the paddles >>>>> and never once loosened up. So it might be a quality control problem. >>>>> >>>>> The KXPD3 is a whole different construction. The contact posts are shorter and >>>>> I have not had any issues with them loosening up even under heavy use. I like >>>>> their overall look of them also. >>>>> >>>>> As far as cosmetic things, they look good, feel good when properly adjusted and >>>>> seem to work just fine (other than the contact post issue). I will say neither one >>>>> is for the heavy handed CW op unless you have a way to secure the radio. Then >>>>> again, if you are heavy handed, that could be an issue with respect to the contact >>>>> posts. >>>>> >>>>> Now if I had known at the time I ordered the KX2, I would have opted for the KXPD3 >>>>> with the shorter screws for the KX2. Why they designed a separate set of paddles >>>>> for the KX2 I don't know, but it might have been a smarter idea to just stick with what >>>>> worked rather than design a new set to help keep the costs down on the KX2 options. >>>>> >>>>> However, when I called Elecraft, my complaint was heard and they are looking into >>>>> the issue. Hopefully they can come up with an answer. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Tom, W1TEF >>>>> Lexington County, SC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/4/2016 1:22 PM, Sid Frissell wrote: >>>>>> Well, I guess I've wrung all the opinions out of you re. KXPD 2 vs KXPD3. Seems like the KXPD2 is preferred. >>>>>> Thanks to all who commented on and off list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sid, NZ7M >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> Message delivered to w1tef at swsports.org >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gerryleary99 at me.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Aug 4 20:53:56 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 16:53:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's Message-ID: <201608050053.u750rvGu004502@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Jim and all: Interesting comments on the G5RV (I've never built one but have a local friend that uses one). For years I used wire dipoles on HF bands: I made a 80/40m trap dipole, 80/40m dipole with removable clip at 40m length which we call the "Iditarod Special" as it was simple to use at remote checkpoints on the trail for changing prop day/night over 150-900 mi range in winter. Sometimes the antenna was only 8-foot off the ground (high as one could reach without ladder), but worked surprisingly well for extreme NVIS. I had a 80/40/20m fan inverted-V at home before putting up my tri-band yagi. Now the inverted-V is 80/40m fan style. It works better on 3800-4000 than on 40m where bandwidth seems narrow. The center is fed with commercial 1:1 balun at 40-feet and ends are 20-feet high which works well for NVIS. I can tune it higher than 7100 using my tuner which is a Drake VN-2000 "oldie but goodie". The tri-band yagi also needs help resonating which the Drake handles fine. Accidentally my 600m inverted-L is 43 feet high. I have a 122-foot long top leg of two parallel wires and the vertical is three parallel wires. Base coil is 11x10 inch diameter fed near ground end with coax. Ground radials are also very short for 472-KHz and consist of 2-foot wide by 50 to 70 foot long chicken wire lain on the ground. Efficiency is 0.8 % but it works for both Tx and Rx, having my signal been heard over 4,000 miles away in Buffalo, NY. Normal ground-wave distance is about 250 mi running 100w output from amplifier (converted NDB transmitter driven by my K3 at 0.1mw). 73, Ed - KL7UW 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 4 21:14:12 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 21:14:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: <833b5d60-0f38-f92a-feb6-d1dff0c83ada@foothill.net> References: <89f994de-a44c-2e97-01fa-0262bea82505@foothill.net> <89cd9350-efeb-30ee-811a-cbe58d7b0a5f@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <833b5d60-0f38-f92a-feb6-d1dff0c83ada@foothill.net> Message-ID: <714b9446-36e4-f846-3f7f-a8be681c76da@embarqmail.com> Fred, Dirt was young when I was first licensed too. I do remember those days of link coils that you slowly advanced into the PA inductor and re-dipped the plate until the current draw was correct for the power level that you wanted to operate. Those were the days of plug-in coils for each band. Yes, I do have some of those plug-in coils and swinging link coils in my stash of "old stuff" in the attic. Then came the Johnson Matchbox with its band switching capability (I have one of those too), and multi-band PA stages with a Pi-Network. Those days are past. Many new hams do not know how to 'dip the plate' and then increase the "loading " and re-dip the plate until the plate current was as desired. I now do not recommend a transceiver to a new ham if it has 'tuning' and 'loading' knobs - the information about how to do that properly is just not abundant today as it was in years past. Add to that fact that the re-tuning had to be repeated for each band change or significant QSY in the band. We have come a long way with the advent of solid state PA stages and broadband tuning with only a Low Pass Filter at the PA output - but the penalty of that is we now have to operate the PA stage into a 50 ohm load. That is where the ATU comes into play. The variability in the antenna feedpoint impedance has been moved from the PA output stage to the "tuning unit" to allow us to feed antennas that present an impedance of other than 50 ohms to the PA stage. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/4/2016 8:41 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > All this "matching bafflegab" was unheard of when I was a young ham. > You fed your dipole with 75 ohm twin-lead, coupled it to the PA with a > 2 or 3 turn link coil, and as the reactance of the link changed the > resonance, you compensated by "re-dipping the plate." > > Of course, when I was a young ham, dirt was pretty young too. :-) > From bw_dw at fastmail.fm Thu Aug 4 21:16:13 2016 From: bw_dw at fastmail.fm (dw) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 18:16:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Trying wspr again with signalink and K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1470359773.567642.686517601.02473DBB@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi All, I have a signalink with USB to the k3. And I'd like to see if I can get it working with WSPR. Currently, I'm receiving data from the K3, via the Signalink into the software nicely. But not able to get WSPR to trigger the K3 PTT. Is anyone using the Signalink USB with WSPR, and perhaps could share your PTT method and CAT setting and perhaps K3 settings? Thanks N1BBR -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Aug 4 21:41:17 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 18:41:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Trying wspr again with signalink and K3 In-Reply-To: <1470359773.567642.686517601.02473DBB@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: I use VOX for all digital modes. I started with a SignaLink, moved to a Tascam unit, and now I am using the KIO3B upgrade to the K3 to give it a USB port. VOX will work fine with any digital mode that does not vary the sound volume as a modulation technique. (I think all the common ones use full modulation all the time, but there are so many digital modes, someone may be trying amplitude changes to get another bit per baud.) In any case, the VOX works reasonably well. My only complaint is I have to switch it off for voice modes. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/4/16 at 6:16 PM, bw_dw at fastmail.fm (dw) wrote: >Is anyone using the Signalink USB with WSPR, and perhaps could share >your PTT method and CAT setting and perhaps K3 settings? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 4 21:53:48 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 21:53:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: <091517B1-DDFC-4781-A420-B06DCA4B8290@widomaker.com> References: <091517B1-DDFC-4781-A420-B06DCA4B8290@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <82a86003-615a-8787-c1de-96ec9c09d101@embarqmail.com> Bill, That is correct, but the currents on the 33 feet feedline should be balanced and of opposite polarity - so they cancel. The current at the radiator center will be less than that of a full size 80 meter radiator, so it will be less efficient than a full size 80 meter dipole with the current maximum at the feedpoint center. There are numerous ways to phrase this, but bottom line is that a 102 foot radiator on 80 meters will not be as good an antenna as a full size radiator. The current will be at a max at the parallel line to coax junction, but will be reduced when the current magnitude reaches the radiator. Low SWR does not mean radiation efficiency. Low SWR does mean the best efficiency for a match to a 50 ohm PA stage, but the overall radiation efficiency depends on the antenna and its feedline. One has to compute the losses involved as well as the current into the antenna system. Of course, I must say that if you can feed power into an antenna system, that power will all be radiated (other than feedline loss). In the example given for a 102 foot radiator, the balanced currents on the feedline will not contribute to power loss - the current on that balanced portion of the feedline will be greater than that presented to the antenna, and the balanced feedline will be operating at an SWR consistent with the impedance at that feedpoint. As I have previously stated, there is little "magic" in antennas - the principles have been around since the days of Maxwell and other greats such as L.B Cebik W4LNR (SK) and John Kraus W8JK (SK) who have substantiated those facts. Non-resonant antennas can be great performers, but one must deal with the feedpoint impedances that they present. Those two antenna gurus did not consider the matching problems to their antennas, they properly presented the antenna radiation properties. 73, Don W3FPR 73, Don W3FPR On 8/4/2016 8:34 PM, Nr4c wrote: > Let's see, 102 + 33 = 135. Isn't that pretty close to the length of an 80 Meter Dipole? The G5RV looks like two back-to-back inverted "L" antennas. The twin lead is not feed line but part of the radiator. > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 4 22:12:10 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 22:12:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Trying wspr again with signalink and K3 In-Reply-To: <1470359773.567642.686517601.02473DBB@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1470359773.567642.686517601.02473DBB@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <0fc2f761-f4d7-a07c-fbc2-db09ab69cdcd@embarqmail.com> I would suggest that the WSPR audio is not reliably triggering the SignaLink PTT. The SignaLink uses the incoming audio to trigger the PTT. In other words, it is a VOX function inside the SignaLink box. You will have better success using the K3 VOX than trying to use the SignaLink vox (to provide PTT). Do not connect the PTT line from the SignaLink box. Eliminate the SignaLink to K3 PTT line and set the K3 VOX on. Adjust the K3 VOX gain so the K3 goes into transmit when the K3 hears the SignaLink audio tones. Adjust the K3 ALC indiation for 4 bars solid and the 5th bar flashing. That is the "No ALC" point for the K3 - ignore the internet advice to show no ALC indication. Also ignore the internet advice to control the power output with the audio level. That does not work well with the K3 - adjust the desired power level with the Power knob. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/4/2016 9:16 PM, dw wrote: > Hi All, > I have a signalink with USB to the k3. > And I'd like to see if I can get it working with WSPR. > Currently, I'm receiving data from the K3, via the Signalink into the > software nicely. > But not able to get WSPR to trigger the K3 PTT. > > From ron at cobi.biz Thu Aug 4 22:57:37 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 19:57:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. 42 ft Vertical In-Reply-To: <82a86003-615a-8787-c1de-96ec9c09d101@embarqmail.com> References: <091517B1-DDFC-4781-A420-B06DCA4B8290@widomaker.com> <82a86003-615a-8787-c1de-96ec9c09d101@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01d1eec5$1ff1bfc0$5fd53f40$@biz> 42 feet is 5/8 wavelength on 20 meters. That is the longest vertical one can use before the radiation angle starts to rise above the horizon. Since operation on the lower bands (esp. 80 meters) wants the longest possible radiator, 42 feet is an excellent compromise for 80-20 operation (with proper matching of course). 73 Ron AC7AC From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Aug 5 00:37:08 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 21:37:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: <091517B1-DDFC-4781-A420-B06DCA4B8290@widomaker.com> References: <091517B1-DDFC-4781-A420-B06DCA4B8290@widomaker.com> Message-ID: I know handbook descriptions have declared this for years. They're simply wrong. The folded part is a transmission line, it doesn't radiate and it has an impedance different from the antenna. Why not just add a hundred feet or so of transmission line to a 10' dipole and call it a 160 antenna? Doesn't work, does it? Use the same logic on your example and it doesn't work either. Sorry. On 8/4/2016 5:34 PM, Nr4c wrote: > Let's see, 102 + 33 = 135. Isn't that pretty close to the length of an 80 Meter Dipole? The G5RV looks like two back-to-back inverted "L" antennas. The twin lead is not feed line but part of the radiator. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Aug 5 00:48:52 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 21:48:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: <89f994de-a44c-2e97-01fa-0262bea82505@foothill.net> References: <89f994de-a44c-2e97-01fa-0262bea82505@foothill.net> Message-ID: <2a08f6af-5ea5-1a42-cacb-88fba75267c0@triconet.org> I guess a little discussion of semantics is in order. Yes, EZNEC shows for example, that a 12 AWG wire, 102' long and say 50' above avg ground shows an impedance of ~98 +j0 at 14.32 MHz, so it is resonant in the 20-meter band, because the reactance is zero, and it could be called a "resonant dipole.". However, It also shows resonances at 4.61, 9.45, 18.74, 23.92 and 28.40 MHz. In common ham jargon as I called it, this length would not be considered a resonant dipole for those frequencies other than 4.61 MHz where it is one half wavelength long. But if someone wants to call it a 20-meter dipole, be my guest. On 8/4/2016 3:22 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Ummm ... my HP48GX says 102' is very very close to 3 half-waves at 14 MHz > which sounds sort of resonant-ish. Maybe a little known bug in my calculator? From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Aug 5 01:22:02 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 22:22:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6d2ba8cc-b50b-e04a-5844-b0982b547a56@triconet.org> The tuner loss also depends on how it is adjusted. For example the very popular high-pass Tee with three adjustable elements has an infinite number of possible combinations that will effect a match on the same load Z. One of them is the lowest loss solution, all of the others aren't. As I said earlier, in a letter to Dean Straw dated February 2, 1994 I offered an example where the SPC tuner, then current in the handbooks, could be used to match an impedance of 4.34 +j46 to 50 ohm. (I forget where this came from but it was a real possibility) I assumed Qc = 1000 and Ql = 300 (generous). I used Touchstone to calculate the minimum loss and maximum loss solutions The best case was 1.6 dB and the worst case was 7.8 dB. With lower Q components, Qc = 500, Ql =200, the losses were 2.4 to 9.5 dB! Wes N7WS On 8/4/2016 2:00 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: > > It's a pity that too many newcomers, as well as many oldsters, are > > enamored by this piece of wire. > > The G4RV is definitely a compromise antenna. However its advantage is that is > has low-enough SWR to be easily matched by most tuners on a number of bands. > > > ... the horrific losses that could be incurred even > > with high quality tuners, > > It's true that tuner losses are the manufacturers' dirty little secret. Loss > is rarely specified, partly because it can be pretty bad, and partly because > it is hard to measure, but also because it is not constant - it depends on the > particular impedance being matched. > > One exception is the old Drake tuners. Their Pi-L topology makes the loss > almost independent of the load impedance. If you can get it to match, you > know that almost all the power is going into the feed line. For example, the > MN-2700 that I designed when I was at Drake was specified at 0.5 dB maximum > insertion loss and I did a lot of testing and tweaking to achieve that on all > bands. > > Alan N1AL From pastormg2 at verizon.net Fri Aug 5 08:12:44 2016 From: pastormg2 at verizon.net (pastormg2 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 07:12:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 For Sale at Discount Price Message-ID: <32430017.2877757.1470399164074.JavaMail.root@vms170035.mailsrvcs.net> Elecraft K3 For Sale at Discount Price Good Afternoon, I am looking to sell my K3. It has the most current firmware and has been used in a non-smoking home. K3-100 Transceiver, SN# 4805 The K3 has the following accessories! KXV3A RX Ant, IF Out, Xverter Int. KSYN3AUPG Ksyn3a Upgrade Kit KVDR3 K3 Digital Voice Recorder KFL3A-1.8K-IR 1.8 KHZ 8 Pole Filter KFL3A-250-IR 250 Hz 8 Pole Filter KFL3A-400-IR 400 Hz 8 Pole Filter Total Discount Price $2,000.00 Freight to be paid by buyer. Extra Notes: K3 does not have Internal Antenna Tuner K3 does not have a Secondary Receiver K3 Internal Speaker does not work, but will work with external speaker. Headphone jack does work! Please contact me at Pastormg2 at verizon.net with any additional questions. From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Fri Aug 5 08:34:27 2016 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 13:34:27 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don, With respect for your wisdom and your good advice, in the UK in particular (home of the G5RV) the 'ordinary' ham has real-estate issues, big time! Louis Varney's garden/back yard was of average British size, which is actually quite small when compared to 'average' gardens that I've seen in the USA. That was his prime reason for designing a compact wire antenna. We have other issues with planning regulations and erecting a mast or tower over 40ft in height would probably meet with a brick-wall attitude from the local planning authorities. Attitudes towards structures in the UK are very different to the USA and there are many snobs who claim offense when they see something that appears above the roof line of an average house. My back yard is even smaller than Louis's and I just don't have space for lengthy wires or even slopers. Even erecting tall supports is difficult as there's limited ground to dig holes to fill with concrete supports. Maybe in the USA, the use of G5RV antennas doesn't make too much sense, but to us Brits, compact antennas are often the only thing we can use. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 12:41 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's Wes and all, Yes, the G5RV, the Off-Center-Fed antennas (Carolina Windom for one example) and the 43 foot vertical have become "magical" antennas, and I am not certain why. My best guess is that they are "salvation" for hams who want to operate on multiple bands with one antenna, and they can be made to "work" in one fashion or another. All need a tuner of some sort, and the 43 foot vertical needs a remote tuner at the base for efficient operation, or at least a matching section for each band at the base for efficient operation. One could feed that vertical with low loss open wire line and put the matching tuner in the shack, but most choose to feed with coax along with the attendant losses incurred if no matching is done at the vertical base. IMHO, resonant fan dipoles are a much better solution - whether those be constructed as inverted Vee's or whether as parallel dipoles separated by 1 foot or more to reduce interaction. I use resonant parallel dipoles here. The 80 and 40 inverted vee's are supported on a 50 foot tower and the 80 meter legs are perpendicular to the 40 meter legs, so there is no interaction. I have another 3 band band fan dipole for 20, 15, and 10 hung as a horizontal dipole with the radiators separated 1 foot from each other (other than at the center point) and a similar 3 band fan dipole for 30, 17, and 12 meters. That means 3 coax lines into the shack, or a remote antenna switch - which I use because I have other antennas to deal with, a 60 meter inverted vee, and a Gap Titan vertical. As far as I am concerned, resonant dipoles are the preferred solution. Other antennas may work, but are a compromise, and some (particularly the OCF antennas) produce RF-in-the-Shack that can be difficult to suppress. There is no "magic" with antennas. Some antenna designs were created when we had PA output circuits that could handle a wide range of antenna impedances and used low loss open wire feedlines. That is no longer the case with the transceiver (or amplifier) that needs to operate into a 50 ohm load, and ATUs with limited matching range. So take your pick and know the hazards and consequences of that choice. Any antenna that you can feed power to will radiate, but some do it better than others. My choice is to use center fed dipoles which at any length can be easily tamed, and I shy away from the OCF antennas which can create RF-in-the-Shack problems. There is no "magic" with antennas, the knowledge base for radiation from a wire (or piece of aluminum) has been around for many long years, but the resulting feedpoint impedance is what we commonly deal with along with all its hazards and consequences. 73, Don W3FPR From mbaileycrna at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 08:50:19 2016 From: mbaileycrna at gmail.com (Morgan Bailey) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 07:50:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 43 ft vertical Message-ID: I personally love the idea of a 43 foot vertical. I use the Dx Engineering Thunderbolt for 60 meters, it is 1.5 inches at the top. I collapse it down to 33ft6in. Gives a fully resonant antenna on 40. Add a 17.5 foot wire with outrigger (pvc supported on vert by hose clamp) and now you have 20meters. Next run a wire with another set of out riggers up to the top and out 33 feet and you have 80 meters. Next wind 132 turns 18ga wire on 1.5in pvc and add to the 80 wire end then add about 15 feet of wire and you have 160. What you have when you get done is: 160 meter inverted L with a bit of compromise. but still workable on a city lot. 80 meter inverted L no compromise with full size. 40 meter 1/4 wave full sized vertical 20 meter 1/4 wave full sized vertical 15 meter fully loads on 40 10 loads on 80 It works well for me. I live on a city lot and it plays great. I use a receiving array for 80 and 160 with phasing and preamps. NCC1 Dx engineering system. Most 42 foot /43 foot verticals require 150 feet of coax to balance out the loss/swr to hook you in to thinking that you have a great antenna. But most any antenna is better than no antenna. And, if all you have is a 43 foot vertical, use it. Enjoy it. There is a qrp op on CWOPS that all he has is a 43 ft vertical. He does great with it but also he can walk out his back door and pee in the ocean, so that is really not a fair comparison due to the salt water and the magic it gives. Vy 73, Morgan NJ8M From lists at subich.com Fri Aug 5 09:32:01 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 09:32:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 43 ft vertical In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I collapse it down to 33ft6in. Why bother? Insert an 8' piece of fiberglass tubing in the top ... now you have a 50' +/- support. Install two 8' pieces of PVC or fiberglass tubing in a horizontal cross at 30 to 35'. On one, run your 80 meter wire - tie it back to the tip of the antenna and run any remainder horizontally (or bend it back down to the opposite spreader). On another, run your 33' piece of wire - tie it to the spreader. On the third, run your 17.5 foot wire - tie to the spreader. On the fourth, run your 160 or a 30 meter wire. Even better - since we're talking about compromise antennas ... dig out information on coaxial traps. Put a 30 meter trap in the 80 meter wire, put a 15 meter trap in the 40 meter wire (reduce the wasted high angle radiation), put a 17 meter trap in the 160 meter wire, and put a 10 meter trap in the 20 meter wire. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/5/2016 8:50 AM, Morgan Bailey wrote: > I personally love the idea of a 43 foot vertical. I use the Dx Engineering > Thunderbolt for 60 meters, it is 1.5 inches at the top. I collapse it down > to 33ft6in. Gives a fully resonant antenna on 40. Add a 17.5 foot wire with > outrigger (pvc supported on vert by hose clamp) and now you have 20meters. > Next run a wire with another set of out riggers up to the top and out 33 > feet and you have 80 meters. Next wind 132 turns 18ga wire on 1.5in pvc and > add to the 80 wire end then add about 15 feet of wire and you have 160. > > What you have when you get done is: > > 160 meter inverted L with a bit of compromise. but still workable on a city > lot. > 80 meter inverted L no compromise with full size. > 40 meter 1/4 wave full sized vertical > 20 meter 1/4 wave full sized vertical > 15 meter fully loads on 40 > 10 loads on 80 > > It works well for me. I live on a city lot and it plays great. I use a > receiving array for 80 and 160 with phasing and preamps. NCC1 Dx > engineering system. > > Most 42 foot /43 foot verticals require 150 feet of coax to balance out the > loss/swr to hook you in to thinking that you have a great antenna. But most > any antenna is better than no antenna. And, if all you have is a 43 foot > vertical, use it. Enjoy it. There is a qrp op on CWOPS that all he has is a > 43 ft vertical. He does great with it but also he can walk out his back > door and pee in the ocean, so that is really not a fair comparison due to > the salt water and the magic it gives. > > Vy 73, > > Morgan NJ8M > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 5 09:37:07 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 09:37:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426bd38e-10d2-2c8b-ac71-72b273902540@embarqmail.com> Alan, I do understand the situation for those with limited antenna space and restrictions. What I do not understand is the "magical" qualities that have been attributed to many antennas. They are compromise antennas, and I want everyone to understand that they are a compromise. If a ham wants to operate on multiple bands and can have only one antenna, that compromise may be necessary, but for those who can install no-compromise antennas such as a fan dipole, it will provide better performance than the G5RV or the 'Carolina windom'. A fan dipole can be operated on multiple bands without a tuner. Of course, LB Cebik advocated the 44 foot dipole for 40 thru 10 meters (88 foot for 80 thru 20) because it has no sidelobes. It works well, but must be fed with low loss parallel feedline which requires a good antenna tuner at the shack end of that feedline. What I am trying to communicate is that the user of a compromise antenna should understand its properties and limitations. Despite what advertising and 'ham lore' would say, there is no 'magic' in any particular antenna. They all have their limitations. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2016 8:34 AM, G4GNX wrote: > Don, > > With respect for your wisdom and your good advice, in the UK in > particular (home of the G5RV) the 'ordinary' ham has real-estate > issues, big time! > > Louis Varney's garden/back yard was of average British size, which is > actually quite small when compared to 'average' gardens that I've seen > in the USA. That was his prime reason for designing a compact wire > antenna. > > We have other issues with planning regulations and erecting a mast or > tower over 40ft in height would probably meet with a brick-wall > attitude from the local planning authorities. Attitudes towards > structures in the UK are very different to the USA and there are many > snobs who claim offense when they see something that appears above the > roof line of an average house. > > My back yard is even smaller than Louis's and I just don't have space > for lengthy wires or even slopers. Even erecting tall supports is > difficult as there's limited ground to dig holes to fill with concrete > supports. > > Maybe in the USA, the use of G5RV antennas doesn't make too much > sense, but to us Brits, compact antennas are often the only thing we > can use. > > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > From wrmichael at hotmail.com Fri Aug 5 10:05:24 2016 From: wrmichael at hotmail.com (Wayne Michael) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 10:05:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit Message-ID: Any advise for a putting a K3S together? I just ordered it. From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Aug 5 10:14:08 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 07:14:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Wayne, Assembly is very straightforward, with very clear instructions, drawings, and photos in the manual. The best advice is to read instructions carefully and perform the steps in order. 73, Wayne N6KR On Aug 5, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: > Any advise for a putting a K3S together? > I just ordered it. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From w1go at icloud.com Fri Aug 5 10:32:34 2016 From: w1go at icloud.com (W1GO (Joe)) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 10:32:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Get yourself a good pair of pointed tweezers. They will help your sanity as you pick various size screws from whatever multi compartment carrier you segment them the into. Good luck n enjoy. Joe > On Aug 5, 2016, at 10:05, Wayne Michael wrote: > > Any advise for a putting a K3S together? > I just ordered it. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1go at icloud.com From g6glp at strus.co.uk Fri Aug 5 10:38:03 2016 From: g6glp at strus.co.uk (Tony G6GLP) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 15:38:03 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6b947ce7-8b44-04fb-8202-d0a8f721a491@strus.co.uk> Any advise for a putting a K3S together? Another Suggestion is to read the instruction book first then mark up any pages that have amendments in order not to miss or undertake procedures. 73 de Tony G6GLP From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Aug 5 10:43:58 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 10:43:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F94E324-9753-47A3-8099-43A3148846A7@widomaker.com> 1/ Download the assembly manual and read it. 2/ Pay attention to the "Tools needed" section. 3/ Read the assembly manual. 4/ Download and read the Users Manual. 5/ Re-read both manuals. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 5, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: > > Any advise for a putting a K3S together? > I just ordered it. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From ka9zap at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 10:49:27 2016 From: ka9zap at gmail.com (Arthur Nienhouse) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 09:49:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: <7F94E324-9753-47A3-8099-43A3148846A7@widomaker.com> References: <7F94E324-9753-47A3-8099-43A3148846A7@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <57A4A777.7060707@gmail.com> */All good advice add a self clamping 6" tweezers to the list .......you will be glad you did. Regards Art ka9zap /* On 8/5/2016 9:43 AM, Nr4c wrote: > 1/ Download the assembly manual and read it. > > 2/ Pay attention to the "Tools needed" section. > > 3/ Read the assembly manual. > > 4/ Download and read the Users Manual. > > 5/ Re-read both manuals. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Aug 5, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: >> >> Any advise for a putting a K3S together? >> I just ordered it. >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ka9zap at gmail.com From ppauly at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 10:50:55 2016 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 10:50:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: <7F94E324-9753-47A3-8099-43A3148846A7@widomaker.com> References: <7F94E324-9753-47A3-8099-43A3148846A7@widomaker.com> Message-ID: 6. Use a muffin tin to separate all the screws types and parts. 7. Take your time. No need to finish it in one night. Stop when you get tired so you don't make mistakes. On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Nr4c wrote: > 1/ Download the assembly manual and read it. > > 2/ Pay attention to the "Tools needed" section. > > 3/ Read the assembly manual. > > 4/ Download and read the Users Manual. > > 5/ Re-read both manuals. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Aug 5, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Wayne Michael > wrote: > > > > Any advise for a putting a K3S together? > > I just ordered it. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ppauly at gmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 5 10:51:54 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 10:51:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2a541164-39fc-1714-40e2-1278fb140f19@embarqmail.com> Read the assembly instructions and follow them exactly as written. Get a new #1 Phillips screwdriver to use. If you are not accustomed to judging screw lengths accurately, use a ruler to measure them. In other words, just follow the instructions. If you have problems understanding the instructions, ask here on the reflector and you will receive assistance. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2016 10:05 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: > Any advise for a putting a K3S together? > I just ordered it. > > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Aug 5 10:58:03 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 07:58:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: <6d2ba8cc-b50b-e04a-5844-b0982b547a56@triconet.org> References: <6d2ba8cc-b50b-e04a-5844-b0982b547a56@triconet.org> Message-ID: <0808434c-be4e-ba3f-9c1d-8fb8b8cb1022@socal.rr.com> Alas, the poor G5RV. Now that its been flogged to death, maybe we need a new target -- say the Windom? Phil W7OX On 8/4/16 10:22 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > The tuner loss also depends on how it is > adjusted. For example the very popular high-pass > Tee with three adjustable elements has an > infinite number of possible combinations that > will effect a match on the same load Z. One of > them is the lowest loss solution, all of the > others aren't. > > As I said earlier, in a letter to Dean Straw > dated February 2, 1994 I offered an example > where the SPC tuner, then current in the > handbooks, could be used to match an impedance > of 4.34 +j46 to 50 ohm. (I forget where this > came from but it was a real possibility) I > assumed Qc = 1000 and Ql = 300 (generous). I > used Touchstone to calculate the minimum loss > and maximum loss solutions The best case was 1.6 > dB and the worst case was 7.8 dB. > > With lower Q components, Qc = 500, Ql =200, the > losses were 2.4 to 9.5 dB! > > Wes N7WS > > > On 8/4/2016 2:00 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: >> > It's a pity that too many newcomers, as well >> as many oldsters, are >> > enamored by this piece of wire. >> >> The G4RV is definitely a compromise antenna. >> However its advantage is that is has low-enough >> SWR to be easily matched by most tuners on a >> number of bands. >> >> > ... the horrific losses that could be >> incurred even >> > with high quality tuners, >> >> It's true that tuner losses are the >> manufacturers' dirty little secret. Loss is >> rarely specified, partly because it can be >> pretty bad, and partly because it is hard to >> measure, but also because it is not constant - >> it depends on the particular impedance being >> matched. >> >> One exception is the old Drake tuners. Their >> Pi-L topology makes the loss almost independent >> of the load impedance. If you can get it to >> match, you know that almost all the power is >> going into the feed line. For example, the >> MN-2700 that I designed when I was at Drake was >> specified at 0.5 dB maximum insertion loss and >> I did a lot of testing and tweaking to achieve >> that on all bands. >> >> Alan N1AL From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 5 11:04:32 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 15:04:32 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009801d1ef2a$acac6860$06053920$@sbcglobal.net> Make sure you use a quality anti-static mat with a wrist strap during assembly. The one I use is manufactured by 3M. As Wayne says, follow the manual and don't skip steps. Check each step off after you have completed it. Depending on what options you purchased it will take several hours to complete the assembly. Do not rush and above all when you get tired stop, get some rest and come back to it later. Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Michael Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 2:05 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit Any advise for a putting a K3S together? I just ordered it. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Aug 5 11:16:37 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 11:16:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Trapped antennas Message-ID: <2bc27966-cbd8-f8c6-5a36-567df52cdf7b@nycap.rr.com> Back in the day, I put up a wire antenna with a single set of traps and worked all bands. Had a great time with it. I don't see those traps anymore, but, I have not been looking too hard either. Would I go back to a trap wire antenna? Yes, as a backup here or as primary in a smaller place. Point is - that antenna gave me countless contacts and they were all made with 100 Watts. Use what you have and be glad you can make contacts. Bill W2BLC K-Line From pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl Fri Aug 5 11:20:21 2016 From: pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl (William Lagerberg) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:20:21 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: <0808434c-be4e-ba3f-9c1d-8fb8b8cb1022@socal.rr.com> References: <6d2ba8cc-b50b-e04a-5844-b0982b547a56@triconet.org> <0808434c-be4e-ba3f-9c1d-8fb8b8cb1022@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: And you now dear list users, i have a G5RV and i really love it it works allways, and give?s me good results :-)) Just have to say that. Regards William PE1BSB > On 05 Aug 2016, at 16:58, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Alas, the poor G5RV. Now that its been flogged to death, maybe we need a new target -- say the Windom? > > Phil W7OX > > On 8/4/16 10:22 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> The tuner loss also depends on how it is adjusted. For example the very popular high-pass Tee with three adjustable elements has an infinite number of possible combinations that will effect a match on the same load Z. One of them is the lowest loss solution, all of the others aren't. >> >> As I said earlier, in a letter to Dean Straw dated February 2, 1994 I offered an example where the SPC tuner, then current in the handbooks, could be used to match an impedance of 4.34 +j46 to 50 ohm. (I forget where this came from but it was a real possibility) I assumed Qc = 1000 and Ql = 300 (generous). I used Touchstone to calculate the minimum loss and maximum loss solutions The best case was 1.6 dB and the worst case was 7.8 dB. >> >> With lower Q components, Qc = 500, Ql =200, the losses were 2.4 to 9.5 dB! >> >> Wes N7WS >> >> >> On 8/4/2016 2:00 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: >>> > It's a pity that too many newcomers, as well as many oldsters, are >>> > enamored by this piece of wire. >>> >>> The G4RV is definitely a compromise antenna. However its advantage is that is has low-enough SWR to be easily matched by most tuners on a number of bands. >>> >>> > ... the horrific losses that could be incurred even >>> > with high quality tuners, >>> >>> It's true that tuner losses are the manufacturers' dirty little secret. Loss is rarely specified, partly because it can be pretty bad, and partly because it is hard to measure, but also because it is not constant - it depends on the particular impedance being matched. >>> >>> One exception is the old Drake tuners. Their Pi-L topology makes the loss almost independent of the load impedance. If you can get it to match, you know that almost all the power is going into the feed line. For example, the MN-2700 that I designed when I was at Drake was specified at 0.5 dB maximum insertion loss and I did a lot of testing and tweaking to achieve that on all bands. >>> >>> Alan N1AL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl From scuba9829 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 5 11:38:10 2016 From: scuba9829 at yahoo.com (Grady Harper) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 11:38:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: References: <7F94E324-9753-47A3-8099-43A3148846A7@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <20E00D0E-3C36-4DFC-A63B-7A598D81C22E@yahoo.com> All are excellent bits of advice, especially 6 and 7. Make sure you download the K3s manual and not the K3, and have fun. I enjoyed building mine, but I went too fast. Enjoy it. AJ4YA Sent from my iPad > On Aug 5, 2016, at 10:50, Peter Pauly wrote: > > 6. Use a muffin tin to separate all the screws types and parts. > 7. Take your time. No need to finish it in one night. Stop when you get > tired so you don't make mistakes. > >> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Nr4c wrote: >> >> 1/ Download the assembly manual and read it. >> >> 2/ Pay attention to the "Tools needed" section. >> >> 3/ Read the assembly manual. >> >> 4/ Download and read the Users Manual. >> >> 5/ Re-read both manuals. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ...nr4c. bill >> >> >>>> On Aug 5, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Wayne Michael >>> wrote: >>> >>> Any advise for a putting a K3S together? >>> I just ordered it. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ppauly at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to scuba9829 at yahoo.com From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Fri Aug 5 12:10:27 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 09:10:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: <426bd38e-10d2-2c8b-ac71-72b273902540@embarqmail.com> References: <426bd38e-10d2-2c8b-ac71-72b273902540@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <3f710ceb-9012-ef02-6a43-b007f83658ed@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> The problem with every one of these antenna discussions is that some of us are looking for a reasonable set of compromises, and that discussion tends to get lost in the "this antenna ain't perfect!" discussion that invariably results. When I bought this house, I knew the lot size, and I saw the power lines running along the back property line. Someone said that rotating dipoles would outperform most of the alternatives. That means a good mast, a rotor, and I'd have to make damn sure the mast couldn't fall across power lines. I guess the bottom line is that perfect is the enemy of good enough. -- Lynn On 8/5/2016 6:37 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > What I am trying to communicate is that the user of a compromise > antenna should understand its properties and limitations. Despite > what advertising and 'ham lore' would say, there is no 'magic' in any > particular antenna. They all have their limitations. From anyone1545 at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 12:16:11 2016 From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Gmail) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 12:16:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] G5RV Message-ID: The open wire feed line on the G5RV is a matching section for 20 meters so it's length and impedance is critical That's why the ADs say it works on 20 but needs antenna tuner for other bands. The same technique is used on the Butternut vertical only it uses 14 feet of 75 ohm cable. Ray W8LYJ Sent from my iPad From n9vo at hotmail.com Fri Aug 5 12:35:09 2016 From: n9vo at hotmail.com (Jim Vohland) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 16:35:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: <6d2ba8cc-b50b-e04a-5844-b0982b547a56@triconet.org> <0808434c-be4e-ba3f-9c1d-8fb8b8cb1022@socal.rr.com>, Message-ID: When I started in the hobby, I worked 150 countries before I found out a G5RV didn't work. Took it down and haven't used it since. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 5, 2016, at 11:21 AM, William Lagerberg wrote: > > And you now dear list users, i have a G5RV and i really love it it works allways, and give?s me good results :-)) > > Just have to say that. > > Regards William PE1BSB > > > >> On 05 Aug 2016, at 16:58, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >> Alas, the poor G5RV. Now that its been flogged to death, maybe we need a new target -- say the Windom? >> >> Phil W7OX >> >>> On 8/4/16 10:22 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>> The tuner loss also depends on how it is adjusted. For example the very popular high-pass Tee with three adjustable elements has an infinite number of possible combinations that will effect a match on the same load Z. One of them is the lowest loss solution, all of the others aren't. >>> >>> As I said earlier, in a letter to Dean Straw dated February 2, 1994 I offered an example where the SPC tuner, then current in the handbooks, could be used to match an impedance of 4.34 +j46 to 50 ohm. (I forget where this came from but it was a real possibility) I assumed Qc = 1000 and Ql = 300 (generous). I used Touchstone to calculate the minimum loss and maximum loss solutions The best case was 1.6 dB and the worst case was 7.8 dB. >>> >>> With lower Q components, Qc = 500, Ql =200, the losses were 2.4 to 9.5 dB! >>> >>> Wes N7WS >>> >>> >>> On 8/4/2016 2:00 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: >>>>> It's a pity that too many newcomers, as well as many oldsters, are >>>>> enamored by this piece of wire. >>>> >>>> The G4RV is definitely a compromise antenna. However its advantage is that is has low-enough SWR to be easily matched by most tuners on a number of bands. >>>> >>>>> ... the horrific losses that could be incurred even >>>>> with high quality tuners, >>>> >>>> It's true that tuner losses are the manufacturers' dirty little secret. Loss is rarely specified, partly because it can be pretty bad, and partly because it is hard to measure, but also because it is not constant - it depends on the particular impedance being matched. >>>> >>>> One exception is the old Drake tuners. Their Pi-L topology makes the loss almost independent of the load impedance. If you can get it to match, you know that almost all the power is going into the feed line. For example, the MN-2700 that I designed when I was at Drake was specified at 0.5 dB maximum insertion loss and I did a lot of testing and tweaking to achieve that on all bands. >>>> >>>> Alan N1AL >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n9vo at hotmail.com From eric at elecraft.com Fri Aug 5 12:42:40 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 09:42:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] G5RV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0395ccb4-fe6c-6645-a10d-6461a07c8fb1@elecraft.com> End of thread. We are now at 27 G5RV posts in less than 24 hours, several time the limit for OT posts. In the interest of relieving email overload for Elecraft focused readers and others, please take further discussion off list. (Please self moderate in the future and end these OT threads when they get to 5-10 posts. I am not always available to close threads.) Also, this is another of those list discussions that reoccur here over time. Much of this info is repeated in prior posts that can easily be searched for using 'G5RV' via the Elecraft list Nabble archives at: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ 73, Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ On 8/5/2016 9:16 AM, Gmail wrote: > The open wire feed line on the G5RV is a matching section for 20 meters so it's length and impedance is critical That's why the ADs say it works on 20 but needs antenna tuner for other bands. > > The same technique is used on the Butternut vertical only it uses 14 feet of 75 ohm cable. > Ray > W8LYJ > > From rpfjeld at outlook.com Fri Aug 5 12:57:40 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 11:57:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/4/2016 4:00 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: > It's true that tuner losses are the manufacturers' dirty little > secret. Loss is rarely specified, partly because it can be pretty bad, > and partly because it is hard to measure, but also because it is not > constant - it depends on the particular impedance being matched. I read about tuner losses often, and I've seen figures posted, but whenever I try to determine it, I can't. The only way I can determine tuner loss is by signal reports. While participating in round tables on 80 meters, I go down in power as low as the K3 will go, and the participants in state, and in an adjacent state or two, still hear me as evidenced by carrying on a discussion. I use open wire feedline with a loop cut for the bottom of 80 meters. I know this is not an accurate way to measure tuner loss, but the loss doesn't seem to be a problem. ??? Dick, n0ce -- From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Aug 5 12:57:52 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 09:57:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36d56497-df48-d9d1-a919-7406a6751ff0@foothill.net> The UK does not have a monopoly on such folk, Alan. Just ask Tom, K5RC/W7RN. 10 acres on a hilltop in an extremely rural area ... 3 1/2 years of legal battles with distant neighbors and the County government. Tom prevailed, finally, and I operate his station remotely from time to time. Our homeowners' association is pretty benign and benevolent here, and I've learned over the years that I can be a pretty adaptable ham, still satisfy my urge to radiate RF, and get along with my neighbors. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 8/5/2016 5:34 AM, G4GNX wrote: > Attitudes towards structures in the > UK are very different to the USA and there are many snobs who claim > offense when they see something that appears above the roof line of an > average house. From W1ie at jetbroadband.com Fri Aug 5 13:00:55 2016 From: W1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 13:00:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901d1ef3a$ee4d9ae0$cae8d0a0$@com> May I suggest that you acquire from the XYL a bed sheet that will cover the area of the floor that you and the assembly bench will occupy (maybe even more). Nuts, bolts and other things that bounce when dropped do not bounce on the sheet. A white sheet is preferable because radio stuff cannot blend itself into the sheet's background. Best regards, Jerry, W1IE -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Michael Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 10:05 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit Any advise for a putting a K3S together? I just ordered it. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1ie at jetbroadband.com From eric at elecraft.com Fri Aug 5 13:12:22 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 10:12:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: End of thread. (and related G5RV threads under similar subject lines..) We are now at 27 G5RV posts in less than 24 hours, several time the limit for OT posts. In the interest of relieving email overload for Elecraft focused readers and others, please take further discussion off list. (Please self moderate in the future and end these OT threads when they get to 5-10 posts. I am not always available to close threads.) Also, this is another of those list discussions that reoccur here over time. Much of this info is repeated in prior posts that can easily be searched for using 'G5RV' via the Elecraft list Nabble archives at: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ 73, Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ From rpfjeld at outlook.com Fri Aug 5 13:27:17 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 12:27:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT:. Tuner losses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Eric closed the G5RV thread, so I will change this subject as it is not related to the G5RV. On 8/5/2016 11:57 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > > On 8/4/2016 4:00 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: >> It's true that tuner losses are the manufacturers' dirty little >> secret. Loss is rarely specified, partly because it can be pretty >> bad, and partly because it is hard to measure, but also because it is >> not constant - it depends on the particular impedance being matched. > > I read about tuner losses often, and I've seen figures posted, but > whenever I try to determine it, I can't. The only way I can determine > tuner loss is by signal reports. While participating in round tables > on 80 meters, I go down in power as low as the K3 will go, and the > participants in state, and in an adjacent state or two, still hear me > as evidenced by carrying on a discussion. I use open wire feedline > with a loop cut for the bottom of 80 meters. > > I know this is not an accurate way to measure tuner loss, but the loss > doesn't seem to be a problem. ??? > > Dick, n0ce > -- From ron at cobi.biz Fri Aug 5 13:35:37 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 10:35:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003601d1ef3f$c7d4b880$577e2980$@biz> In addition to Wayne's comments, 1) Do the parts inventory even though your fingers are itching to start assembly. That's something many of us skip over and finding and identifying each part before you start helps avoid confusion during assembly. There's no "Aaaaargh!" moment as bad as discovering that you used the wrong screw a few pages back and now you don't have it when it is needed. Besides, doing that in some steps can damage parts. 2) Be sure to check off each step in the assembly instructions. Check boxes are provided. Skipping a step is one of the most common reasons why a builder has to "back up" and reassemble a portion of the kit again after leaving something out. Checking the boxes helps make a skipped step stand out before you go too far. 3) If a step is not clear, feel free to drop me a note (ron at elecraft.com or ron at cobi.biz). I wrote the manual and the primary reason I try to keep an eye on this reflector is to pick up any issues people might report assembling their kits. Of course, during regular M-F business hours you can also contact k3support at elecraft.com. I'm not at the factory, so they are the people to contact in the unlikely event something is missing. 4) Have fun building. Have fun operating. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Michael Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 7:05 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit Any advise for a putting a K3S together? I just ordered it. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From bob.novas at verizon.net Fri Aug 5 14:27:28 2016 From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 14:27:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: <003601d1ef3f$c7d4b880$577e2980$@biz> References: <003601d1ef3f$c7d4b880$577e2980$@biz> Message-ID: <014201d1ef47$06612000$13236000$@verizon.net> For me, the TMP connectors were hard, and installing the sub receiver was hard. The rest was reasonably easy. Go slow and follow the advice in this thread. Maybe someone else has words of wisdom on the TMP connectors. The TMP connectors killed my fingers. I wound up using needle nose pliers to insert them. Also be sure to trim the center wires as instructed. And, inventory the cables and use the right length cable for each cable connection. Note that the word connector appears in the assembly manual 119 times. You'll be futzing with a lot of connectors! (Not THAT many, but a lot.) Misaligning connectors is a really easy mistake when you're tired. You're better off if you don't make that mistake. Bob - W3DK > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron > D'Eau Claire > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:36 PM > To: 'Wayne Michael'; 'Elecraft at mailman.qth.net' > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit > > In addition to Wayne's comments, > > 1) Do the parts inventory even though your fingers are itching to start assembly. > That's something many of us skip over and finding and identifying each part > before you start helps avoid confusion during assembly. There's no "Aaaaargh!" > moment as bad as discovering that you used the wrong screw a few pages back > and now you don't have it when it is needed. Besides, doing that in some steps > can damage parts. > > 2) Be sure to check off each step in the assembly instructions. Check boxes are > provided. Skipping a step is one of the most common reasons why a builder has > to "back up" and reassemble a portion of the kit again after leaving something > out. Checking the boxes helps make a skipped step stand out before you go too > far. > > 3) If a step is not clear, feel free to drop me a note (ron at elecraft.com or > ron at cobi.biz). I wrote the manual and the primary reason I try to keep an eye > on this reflector is to pick up any issues people might report assembling their > kits. Of course, during regular M-F business hours you can also contact > k3support at elecraft.com. I'm not at the factory, so they are the people to > contact in the unlikely event something is missing. > > 4) Have fun building. Have fun operating. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne > Michael > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 7:05 AM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit > > Any advise for a putting a K3S together? > I just ordered it. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ron at cobi.biz > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net From gkidder at ilstu.edu Fri Aug 5 14:37:42 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 14:37:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: <014201d1ef47$06612000$13236000$@verizon.net> References: <003601d1ef3f$c7d4b880$577e2980$@biz> <014201d1ef47$06612000$13236000$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8a41365e-73a3-d8c7-b10d-1e01db8accc5@ilstu.edu> And for heaven's sake, get a good anti-static pad and wrist strap! George, W3HBM On 8/5/2016 2:27 PM, Bob Novas wrote: > For me, the TMP connectors were hard, and installing the sub receiver was > hard. The rest was reasonably easy. Go slow and follow the advice in this > thread. Maybe someone else has words of wisdom on the TMP connectors. The > TMP connectors killed my fingers. I wound up using needle nose pliers to > insert them. Also be sure to trim the center wires as instructed. And, > inventory the cables and use the right length cable for each cable > connection. > > Note that the word connector appears in the assembly manual 119 times. > You'll be futzing with a lot of connectors! (Not THAT many, but a lot.) > Misaligning connectors is a really easy mistake when you're tired. You're > better off if you don't make that mistake. > > Bob - W3DK > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron >> D'Eau Claire >> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:36 PM >> To: 'Wayne Michael'; 'Elecraft at mailman.qth.net' >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit >> >> In addition to Wayne's comments, >> >> 1) Do the parts inventory even though your fingers are itching to start > assembly. >> That's something many of us skip over and finding and identifying each > part >> before you start helps avoid confusion during assembly. There's no > "Aaaaargh!" >> moment as bad as discovering that you used the wrong screw a few pages > back >> and now you don't have it when it is needed. Besides, doing that in some > steps >> can damage parts. >> >> 2) Be sure to check off each step in the assembly instructions. Check > boxes are >> provided. Skipping a step is one of the most common reasons why a builder > has >> to "back up" and reassemble a portion of the kit again after leaving > something >> out. Checking the boxes helps make a skipped step stand out before you go > too >> far. >> >> 3) If a step is not clear, feel free to drop me a note (ron at elecraft.com > or >> ron at cobi.biz). I wrote the manual and the primary reason I try to keep an > eye >> on this reflector is to pick up any issues people might report assembling > their >> kits. Of course, during regular M-F business hours you can also contact >> k3support at elecraft.com. I'm not at the factory, so they are the people to >> contact in the unlikely event something is missing. >> >> 4) Have fun building. Have fun operating. >> >> 73, Ron AC7AC >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Wayne >> Michael >> Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 7:05 AM >> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit >> >> Any advise for a putting a K3S together? >> I just ordered it. >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message >> delivered to ron at cobi.biz >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message >> delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu From idarack at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 15:03:10 2016 From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 15:03:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have build two this year. Each took a few days to complete, only spending a few hours each day on the project. I took over the dining room table, with my wife's permission, spread everything out and check the inventory before starting. All parts, especially screws, washers and nuts were sorted and placed in separate small glass bowls. Before installing a screw, I double checked the length and size with a good ruler, etc. The instructions are extremely well written and easy to follow. Just follow them closely and always double check your work after each step. If you take your time, are careful what you do, you really have the pleasure of building your own radio. Good luck, Irwin, KD3TB On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Wayne, > > Assembly is very straightforward, with very clear instructions, drawings, > and photos in the manual. The best advice is to read instructions carefully > and perform the steps in order. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Aug 5, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: > > > Any advise for a putting a K3S together? > > I just ordered it. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to idarack at gmail.com > -- Irwin KD3TB From cautery at montac.com Fri Aug 5 15:07:36 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 14:07:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5db412a1-6b40-386e-4e39-fe31a1f9803a@montac.com> Yes... 1) While awaiting its delivery, download all the latest PDF documents for assembly and operation (sometimes combined) for each component in your setup. 2) Read ALL of them. 3) Re-read the K3s assembly manual. 4) Make SURE you have all the required tools and materials on hand. 5) Upon arrival, DO THE INVENTORY FIRST... down to every little piece of hardware. 6) Segregate hardware using labeled ZipLoc baggies for each assembly step. (If there is any missing parts/hardware, do a SINGLE shortage request to Elecraft) 7) Make sure you have an assembly area which will be large enough and undisturbed/low traffic. 8) Go slowly... ENJOY the process... And fit things together as closely and squarely as possible. NOTHING in the process requires hammers or force... If you have a question, feel free to email the list or me directly. Congratulations on becoming the owner of the world's best radio! :-) 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/5/2016 9:05 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: > Any advise for a putting a K3S together? > I just ordered it. > From efortner at ctc.net Fri Aug 5 15:11:22 2016 From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 15:11:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: <014201d1ef47$06612000$13236000$@verizon.net> References: <003601d1ef3f$c7d4b880$577e2980$@biz> <014201d1ef47$06612000$13236000$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <008b01d1ef4d$27f0fc80$77d2f580$@net> A little deoxit on the TMP connectors makes them slide in much easier, but you must make sure they are lined up proper before applying force seat it fully. Earl, K4KAY -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Novas Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 2:27 PM To: 'Ron D'Eau Claire'; 'Wayne Michael'; 'Elecraft at mailman.qth.net' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit For me, the TMP connectors were hard, and installing the sub receiver was hard. The rest was reasonably easy. Go slow and follow the advice in this thread. Maybe someone else has words of wisdom on the TMP connectors. The TMP connectors killed my fingers. I wound up using needle nose pliers to insert them. Also be sure to trim the center wires as instructed. And, inventory the cables and use the right length cable for each cable connection. Note that the word connector appears in the assembly manual 119 times. You'll be futzing with a lot of connectors! (Not THAT many, but a lot.) Misaligning connectors is a really easy mistake when you're tired. You're better off if you don't make that mistake. Bob - W3DK > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron > D'Eau Claire > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:36 PM > To: 'Wayne Michael'; 'Elecraft at mailman.qth.net' > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit > > In addition to Wayne's comments, > > 1) Do the parts inventory even though your fingers are itching to start assembly. > That's something many of us skip over and finding and identifying each part > before you start helps avoid confusion during assembly. There's no "Aaaaargh!" > moment as bad as discovering that you used the wrong screw a few pages back > and now you don't have it when it is needed. Besides, doing that in some steps > can damage parts. > > 2) Be sure to check off each step in the assembly instructions. Check boxes are > provided. Skipping a step is one of the most common reasons why a builder has > to "back up" and reassemble a portion of the kit again after leaving something > out. Checking the boxes helps make a skipped step stand out before you go too > far. > > 3) If a step is not clear, feel free to drop me a note (ron at elecraft.com or > ron at cobi.biz). I wrote the manual and the primary reason I try to keep an eye > on this reflector is to pick up any issues people might report assembling their > kits. Of course, during regular M-F business hours you can also contact > k3support at elecraft.com. I'm not at the factory, so they are the people to > contact in the unlikely event something is missing. > > 4) Have fun building. Have fun operating. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne > Michael > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 7:05 AM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit > > Any advise for a putting a K3S together? > I just ordered it. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ron at cobi.biz > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to efortner at ctc.net From rboutell at hotmail.com Fri Aug 5 15:16:59 2016 From: rboutell at hotmail.com (rboutell) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 12:16:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: <2a541164-39fc-1714-40e2-1278fb140f19@embarqmail.com> References: <2a541164-39fc-1714-40e2-1278fb140f19@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1470424619764-7621242.post@n2.nabble.com> "... If you are not accustomed to judging screw lengths accurately, use a ruler to measure them. " I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents: Pay very close attention to the screw lengths and sort them out carefully. A 4-40x3/16" Pan Head might work when a 4-40x1/4" is called out, but later you may need the 3/16" and the 1/4" is tooo long :) 73, Russ W9EL -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k3s-radio-kit-tp7621215p7621242.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 5 15:36:17 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 15:36:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: <1470424619764-7621242.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <2a541164-39fc-1714-40e2-1278fb140f19@embarqmail.com> <1470424619764-7621242.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <45b56af1-0840-a09b-5594-8038e5c546ef@embarqmail.com> For those not familiar with screw dimensions, pay attention to the information on the right side of page 12 in the assembly manual. Flat Head screws are measured from the top of the head to the bottom of the threads while Pan Head (and round head and others) are measured from the bottom of the head to the end of the threads. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2016 3:16 PM, rboutell wrote: > "... If you are not accustomed to judging screw lengths accurately, use a > ruler to measure them. " > > I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents: > Pay very close attention to the screw lengths and sort them out carefully. A > 4-40x3/16" Pan Head might work when a 4-40x1/4" is called out, but later you > may need the 3/16" and the 1/4" is tooo long :) > > 73, Russ > W9EL > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k3s-radio-kit-tp7621215p7621242.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Fri Aug 5 15:49:04 2016 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 20:49:04 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: <5db412a1-6b40-386e-4e39-fe31a1f9803a@montac.com> References: <5db412a1-6b40-386e-4e39-fe31a1f9803a@montac.com> Message-ID: <01a201d1ef52$709b07a0$51d116e0$@co.uk> > >NOTHING in the process requires hammers or force... > That's a very good point to remember: EVERYTHING FITS CORRECTLY. If something doesn't seem to fit quite right, you only need to line it up better... then sure enough, it fits after all. There were many other good points earlier, especially about buying a *new* Phillips #1 screwdriver. You probably needed one anyway. (Europeans: that really does mean Phillips, not Pozidriv!) The self-locking 6in forceps (aka hemostats) are excellent for positioning washers and nuts in hard-to-reach places. They are also are the ideal tool for jiggling TMP plugs into place. One other word of comfort: all of those connectors become much easier to insert and remove after the first time. 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Clay Autery >Sent: 05 August 2016 20:08 >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit > >Yes... > >1) While awaiting its delivery, download all the latest PDF documents >for assembly and operation (sometimes combined) for each component in >your setup. >2) Read ALL of them. >3) Re-read the K3s assembly manual. >4) Make SURE you have all the required tools and materials on hand. >5) Upon arrival, DO THE INVENTORY FIRST... down to every little piece >of hardware. >6) Segregate hardware using labeled ZipLoc baggies for each assembly step. >(If there is any missing parts/hardware, do a SINGLE shortage request to >Elecraft) >7) Make sure you have an assembly area which will be large enough and >undisturbed/low traffic. >8) Go slowly... ENJOY the process... And fit things together as closely >and squarely as possible. > >NOTHING in the process requires hammers or force... > >If you have a question, feel free to email the list or me directly. > >Congratulations on becoming the owner of the world's best radio! :-) > > >73, > >______________________ >Clay Autery, KY5G >MONTAC Enterprises >(318) 518-1389 > >On 8/5/2016 9:05 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: >> Any advise for a putting a K3S together? >> I just ordered it. >> >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From ve7xf at shaw.ca Fri Aug 5 17:36:46 2016 From: ve7xf at shaw.ca (Ralph Parker) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 14:36:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit Message-ID: <57A506EE.1050006@shaw.ca> >Pay very close attention to the screw lengths and sort them out carefully... >later you may need the 3/16" and the 1/4" is tooo long :) Amen to that, brother! After 50+ years of building radios, I built my K3 very carefully. However, on completion, the output was very intermittent. Tapping on the cabinet would trigger the problem. I tried everything, including on line and on-the-phone discussions with the Elcraft service dept. Finally, I boxed it up and sent it to the doctor. They diagnosed the problem right out of the box, with no tools. I had placed two lockwashers on the wrong end of the screws holding the driver transistors to the bottom of the case, so they made only intermittent contact. Bingo! Was my face red! The moral of the story: be careful, and check EVERYTHING during assembly. VE7XF From j.brassell1 at mediacombb.net Fri Aug 5 17:32:08 2016 From: j.brassell1 at mediacombb.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:32:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K1 with Four Band Board Message-ID: <49DF89F518844E84985B32B7A60A106B@JimHP> K1 is listed on eHam under ?Transceivers?. Please contact me off list. From jstengrevics at comcast.net Fri Aug 5 17:46:10 2016 From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:46:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: <57A506EE.1050006@shaw.ca> References: <57A506EE.1050006@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <87E9CAED-2605-476B-8F0A-85EAF6A82972@comcast.net> I?ll chime in. I had never built anything previously. So, successfully building the K3S gave me a great sense of accomplishment. The assembly manual for the K3S is excellent. Follow it carefully. I made 3 goofs during construction. No big problems, easily diagnosed by tech support. I believe I made the mistakes by working too late into the night when I should have gone to bed. Moral of the story: Follow the manual religiously, don?t be in a hurry. WA1EAZ > On Aug 5, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Ralph Parker wrote: > > >Pay very close attention to the screw lengths and sort them out carefully... > >later you may need the 3/16" and the 1/4" is tooo long :) > > Amen to that, brother! > After 50+ years of building radios, I built my K3 very carefully. > However, on completion, the output was very intermittent. Tapping on the cabinet would trigger the problem. I tried everything, including on line and on-the-phone discussions with the Elcraft service dept. > Finally, I boxed it up and sent it to the doctor. > They diagnosed the problem right out of the box, with no tools. > I had placed two lockwashers on the wrong end of the screws holding the driver transistors to the bottom of the case, so they made only intermittent contact. Bingo! Was my face red! > > The moral of the story: be careful, and check EVERYTHING during assembly. > > VE7XF > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jstengrevics at comcast.net From w1tef at swsports.org Fri Aug 5 17:55:04 2016 From: w1tef at swsports.org (Tom Francis) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:55:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 install... Message-ID: <7360ea4d-e7a5-f0e1-59c2-04281ff5dabe@swsports.org> Greetings, What I didn't order with the KX3 was the internal battery charger. Now that I have the KX2 and know how handy it is to have the internal battery, I'm considering getting the KXBC3 for my KX3. What I need to know is how hard is it to install? I have advanced arthritis in my fingers and I'm a bit "shaky" on top of that (nerves) so if it involves little tiny parts, I'm going to have to look for some help from friends which I would rather not do - I'm stubborn that way. :-) Thanks for any information. Tom, W1TEF Lexington County, SC From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Aug 5 18:06:58 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 15:06:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 install... In-Reply-To: <7360ea4d-e7a5-f0e1-59c2-04281ff5dabe@swsports.org> References: <7360ea4d-e7a5-f0e1-59c2-04281ff5dabe@swsports.org> Message-ID: The KXBC3 is very easy to install. As I remember, the trickiest bit was getting the adhesive shield lined up right before I stuck it on. Installation instructions are here, starting on page five. You can open up your radio and look at the screws where it will go. I don?t remember them being especially tiny. http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740167%20KXBC3%20Installation%20Manual%20Rev%20A.pdf wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 5, 2016, at 2:55 PM, Tom Francis wrote: > > Greetings, > > What I didn't order with the KX3 was the internal battery charger. Now > that I have the KX2 and know how handy it is to have the internal battery, > I'm considering getting the KXBC3 for my KX3. > > What I need to know is how hard is it to install? I have advanced arthritis > in my fingers and I'm a bit "shaky" on top of that (nerves) so if it involves > little tiny parts, I'm going to have to look for some help from friends which > I would rather not do - I'm stubborn that way. :-) > > Thanks for any information. > > Tom, W1TEF > Lexington County, SC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 5 18:16:16 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:16:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 install... In-Reply-To: <7360ea4d-e7a5-f0e1-59c2-04281ff5dabe@swsports.org> References: <7360ea4d-e7a5-f0e1-59c2-04281ff5dabe@swsports.org> Message-ID: <20b579a9-2808-27f5-443e-9829b5e6bc8d@embarqmail.com> Tom, If you built the KX3, it should be no problem. There is one 2-56 size screw but the rest are 4-40 size. The #4 lockwasher is the smallest part, so if you can handle that you will not have a problem. Download the KXBC3 manual to get an idea of what is involved. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2016 5:55 PM, Tom Francis wrote: > Greetings, > > What I didn't order with the KX3 was the internal battery charger. Now > that I have the KX2 and know how handy it is to have the internal > battery, > I'm considering getting the KXBC3 for my KX3. > > What I need to know is how hard is it to install? I have advanced > arthritis > in my fingers and I'm a bit "shaky" on top of that (nerves) so if it > involves > little tiny parts, I'm going to have to look for some help from > friends which > I would rather not do - I'm stubborn that way. :-) From pincon at erols.com Fri Aug 5 18:33:20 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:33:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: <2a541164-39fc-1714-40e2-1278fb140f19@embarqmail.com> References: <2a541164-39fc-1714-40e2-1278fb140f19@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <00c501d1ef69$623e7540$26bb5fc0$@erols.com> I would suggest a JIS screwdriver set. I found they fit better than standard Phillips. They are more like a Fearson drive than Phillips. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 10:52 AM To: Wayne Michael ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit Read the assembly instructions and follow them exactly as written. Get a new #1 Phillips screwdriver to use. If you are not accustomed to judging screw lengths accurately, use a ruler to measure them. In other words, just follow the instructions. If you have problems understanding the instructions, ask here on the reflector and you will receive assistance. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2016 10:05 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: > Any advise for a putting a K3S together? > I just ordered it. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From k1ka at comcast.net Fri Aug 5 18:41:10 2016 From: k1ka at comcast.net (David Mackey) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:41:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s kit Message-ID: I just put one together over July 4th weekend. A lot of fun. Besides the very good advice from others I would add the following. I would have some small plastic divider boxes on hand for hardware sorting. The main RF board has most of the hardware components, but you will have a number of sub assemblies (boards) depending on what your radio configuration is i.e. Options etc. each assembly comes with its own set of hardware. I found it best to sort these items into a separate small divided box. You will be pulling hardware from the main RF board supply interspersed with these subassemblies. Also a good pair of tweezers is handy to pick the small hardware items out of the divider boxes. Elecraft gives you extra hardware so don't sweat if you loose something. You will eventually find it after construction is complete. That's one of Murphy's corollaries. 73, Dave, K1KA David Mackey K1KA at comcast.net From pincon at erols.com Fri Aug 5 18:41:57 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:41:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] =?iso-8859-7?q?=BD_=EB_dipoles?= Message-ID: <00c601d1ef6a$9687d070$c3977150$@erols.com> I'm curious as to when the concept of a ? ? dipole became the norm? In other words, the idea of the current distribution as exists on a dipole. Early pictures of typical ham antennas looked more like a set of parallel clothesline wires. What I gather from reading early articles, it seemed that the more wire you had in the air, the better it would "capture" (and radiate) the signals. Feel free to reply directly if you don't want to clutter the forum. (k3ich at arrl dot net) 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Wheeler Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 10:58 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's Alas, the poor G5RV. Now that its been flogged to death, maybe we need a new target -- say the Windom? Phil W7OX On 8/4/16 10:22 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > The tuner loss also depends on how it is adjusted. For example the > very popular high-pass Tee with three adjustable elements has an > infinite number of possible combinations that will effect a match on > the same load Z. One of them is the lowest loss solution, all of the > others aren't. > > As I said earlier, in a letter to Dean Straw dated February 2, 1994 I > offered an example where the SPC tuner, then current in the handbooks, > could be used to match an impedance of 4.34 +j46 to 50 ohm. (I forget > where this came from but it was a real possibility) I assumed Qc = > 1000 and Ql = 300 (generous). I used Touchstone to calculate the > minimum loss and maximum loss solutions The best case was 1.6 dB and > the worst case was 7.8 dB. > > With lower Q components, Qc = 500, Ql =200, the losses were 2.4 to 9.5 > dB! > > Wes N7WS > > > On 8/4/2016 2:00 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: >> > It's a pity that too many newcomers, as well >> as many oldsters, are >> > enamored by this piece of wire. >> >> The G4RV is definitely a compromise antenna. >> However its advantage is that is has low-enough SWR to be easily >> matched by most tuners on a number of bands. >> >> > ... the horrific losses that could be >> incurred even >> > with high quality tuners, >> >> It's true that tuner losses are the >> manufacturers' dirty little secret. Loss is rarely specified, partly >> because it can be pretty bad, and partly because it is hard to >> measure, but also because it is not constant - it depends on the >> particular impedance being matched. >> >> One exception is the old Drake tuners. Their Pi-L topology makes the >> loss almost independent of the load impedance. If you can get it to >> match, you know that almost all the power is going into the feed >> line. For example, the >> MN-2700 that I designed when I was at Drake was specified at 0.5 dB >> maximum insertion loss and I did a lot of testing and tweaking to >> achieve that on all bands. >> >> Alan N1AL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From ron at cobi.biz Fri Aug 5 18:48:56 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 15:48:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Kit Building Message-ID: <001201d1ef6b$8cf39d90$a6dad8b0$@biz> Assembling a kit rig is just like any other important activity: If you don't have time to do it right, you must find time to do it over. 73, Ron AC7AC From hans.elfelt at me.com Fri Aug 5 18:56:03 2016 From: hans.elfelt at me.com (Hans Bonnesen) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 00:56:03 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest,Vol 148, issue 10 Message-ID: <416052E9-2087-411D-A40A-13D025CD2E0C@me.com> Reading Elecraft Digest, vol 148 issue 10 was a delight Extremely pleasant to follow the G5RV topics and all the assembly advices. You sit back with a faint smile and a pleasant feeling of being part of a wonderful comradeship of Elecraft owners. Thanks fellas OZ5RB, Hans From riese-k3djc at juno.com Fri Aug 5 19:04:20 2016 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 19:04:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] =?iso-8859-7?q?=BD_=EB_dipoles?= Message-ID: early on the antenna would help define the operating frequency spark made RF everywhere and the tank and antenna coupled the RF to the operating frequency Bob K3DJC On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:41:57 -0400 "Charlie T, K3ICH" writes: > I'm curious as to when the concept of a ? ? dipole became the norm? > > In other words, the idea of the current distribution as exists on a > dipole. > > Early pictures of typical ham antennas looked more like a set of > parallel > clothesline wires. > > What I gather from reading early articles, it seemed that the more > wire you > had in the air, the better it would "capture" (and radiate) the > signals. > > Feel free to reply directly if you don't want to clutter the forum. > > (k3ich at arrl dot net) > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf > Of Phil > Wheeler > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 10:58 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's > > Alas, the poor G5RV. Now that its been flogged to death, maybe we > need a > new target -- say the Windom? > > Phil W7OX > > On 8/4/16 10:22 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > The tuner loss also depends on how it is adjusted. For example the > > > very popular high-pass Tee with three adjustable elements has an > > infinite number of possible combinations that will effect a match > on > > the same load Z. One of them is the lowest loss solution, all of > the > > others aren't. > > > > As I said earlier, in a letter to Dean Straw dated February 2, > 1994 I > > offered an example where the SPC tuner, then current in the > handbooks, > > could be used to match an impedance of 4.34 +j46 to 50 ohm. (I > forget > > where this came from but it was a real possibility) I assumed Qc > = > > 1000 and Ql = 300 (generous). I used Touchstone to calculate the > > minimum loss and maximum loss solutions The best case was 1.6 dB > and > > the worst case was 7.8 dB. > > > > With lower Q components, Qc = 500, Ql =200, the losses were 2.4 to > 9.5 > > dB! > > > > Wes N7WS > > > > > > On 8/4/2016 2:00 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: > >> > It's a pity that too many newcomers, as well > >> as many oldsters, are > >> > enamored by this piece of wire. > >> > >> The G4RV is definitely a compromise antenna. > >> However its advantage is that is has low-enough SWR to be easily > >> matched by most tuners on a number of bands. > >> > >> > ... the horrific losses that could be > >> incurred even > >> > with high quality tuners, > >> > >> It's true that tuner losses are the > >> manufacturers' dirty little secret. Loss is rarely specified, > partly > >> because it can be pretty bad, and partly because it is hard to > >> measure, but also because it is not constant - it depends on the > >> particular impedance being matched. > >> > >> One exception is the old Drake tuners. Their Pi-L topology makes > the > >> loss almost independent of the load impedance. If you can get it > to > >> match, you know that almost all the power is going into the feed > >> line. For example, the > >> MN-2700 that I designed when I was at Drake was specified at 0.5 > dB > >> maximum insertion loss and I did a lot of testing and tweaking to > > >> achieve that on all bands. > >> > >> Alan N1AL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to pincon at erols.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to riese-k3djc at juno.com From ron at cobi.biz Fri Aug 5 19:09:07 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 16:09:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] =?iso-8859-7?q?=BD_=EB_dipoles?= In-Reply-To: <00c601d1ef6a$9687d070$c3977150$@erols.com> References: <00c601d1ef6a$9687d070$c3977150$@erols.com> Message-ID: <001701d1ef6e$5ed9fb40$1c8df1c0$@biz> A 1/2 wave radiator (a.k.a. "dipole") is the shortest 'self resonant' radiator independent of the ground. By self-resonant I mean that it has zero reactance. Heinrich Hertz used a dipole in his demonstrations of electromagnetic waves in the form of a 1/2 wave pipe bent nearly in a circle so the ends nearly touched each other. When an identical loop nearby was excited, tiny sparks would jump across the ends of the second loop even though there was no mechanical connection. Marconi pioneered the grounded monopole which needed to be only half as long. The idea of "resonance" (called "synchronicity" then) was just becoming recognized in Marconi's time. Back then the antenna set the frequency of the transmitter, so the antenna had to be designed to produce the desired wavelength of signal. Longer wavelengths were thought to produce DX. But longer wavelengths require HUGE antennas of several hundred meters in length, even a monopole worked against "ground". So "top loading" became very popular. That's where you see the multi-wire arrangements of early Ham stations. The "antenna" was actually the wire leading up to the parallel wires strung up high. The parallel wires provided the needed capacitance to ground to lower the frequency (increase the wavelength). Since until the late 1920's most Hams clustered as close to 200 meters as possible (the longest wavelength Hams were allowed in the USA) in the belief that longer wavelengths were needed for longer distances, such antennas were very popular. About then the "short waves" were discovered and everything changed! 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Charlie T, K3ICH Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 3:42 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ? ? dipoles I'm curious as to when the concept of a ? ? dipole became the norm? In other words, the idea of the current distribution as exists on a dipole. Early pictures of typical ham antennas looked more like a set of parallel clothesline wires. What I gather from reading early articles, it seemed that the more wire you had in the air, the better it would "capture" (and radiate) the signals. Feel free to reply directly if you don't want to clutter the forum. (k3ich at arrl dot net) 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Wheeler Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 10:58 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT:. G5RV's Alas, the poor G5RV. Now that its been flogged to death, maybe we need a new target -- say the Windom? Phil W7OX On 8/4/16 10:22 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > The tuner loss also depends on how it is adjusted. For example the > very popular high-pass Tee with three adjustable elements has an > infinite number of possible combinations that will effect a match on > the same load Z. One of them is the lowest loss solution, all of the > others aren't. > > As I said earlier, in a letter to Dean Straw dated February 2, 1994 I > offered an example where the SPC tuner, then current in the handbooks, > could be used to match an impedance of 4.34 +j46 to 50 ohm. (I forget > where this came from but it was a real possibility) I assumed Qc = > 1000 and Ql = 300 (generous). I used Touchstone to calculate the > minimum loss and maximum loss solutions The best case was 1.6 dB and > the worst case was 7.8 dB. > > With lower Q components, Qc = 500, Ql =200, the losses were 2.4 to 9.5 > dB! > > Wes N7WS > > > On 8/4/2016 2:00 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: >> > It's a pity that too many newcomers, as well >> as many oldsters, are >> > enamored by this piece of wire. >> >> The G4RV is definitely a compromise antenna. >> However its advantage is that is has low-enough SWR to be easily >> matched by most tuners on a number of bands. >> >> > ... the horrific losses that could be >> incurred even >> > with high quality tuners, >> >> It's true that tuner losses are the >> manufacturers' dirty little secret. Loss is rarely specified, partly >> because it can be pretty bad, and partly because it is hard to >> measure, but also because it is not constant - it depends on the >> particular impedance being matched. >> >> One exception is the old Drake tuners. Their Pi-L topology makes the >> loss almost independent of the load impedance. If you can get it to >> match, you know that almost all the power is going into the feed >> line. For example, the >> MN-2700 that I designed when I was at Drake was specified at 0.5 dB >> maximum insertion loss and I did a lot of testing and tweaking to >> achieve that on all bands. >> >> Alan N1AL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From kstover at ac0h.net Fri Aug 5 19:53:10 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:53:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: <01a201d1ef52$709b07a0$51d116e0$@co.uk> References: <5db412a1-6b40-386e-4e39-fe31a1f9803a@montac.com> <01a201d1ef52$709b07a0$51d116e0$@co.uk> Message-ID: Ditto, and here's another vote for hemostats. The first tool I acquired before building my K2 was a collection of curved nose and straight 8" hemostats, smooth and serrated. I married into a family full of doctors so the price was right and being stainless steel won't ever rust. Second thing was three brand new high quality magnetized #0, 1, and 2 Phillips screw drivers. They haven't been used on anything other than Elecraft "stuff". On 8/5/2016 2:49 PM, Ian White wrote: >> NOTHING in the process requires hammers or force... >> > That's a very good point to remember: EVERYTHING FITS CORRECTLY. If > something doesn't seem to fit quite right, you only need to line it up > better... then sure enough, it fits after all. > > There were many other good points earlier, especially about buying a > *new* Phillips #1 screwdriver. You probably needed one anyway. > (Europeans: that really does mean Phillips, not Pozidriv!) > > The self-locking 6in forceps (aka hemostats) are excellent for > positioning washers and nuts in hard-to-reach places. They are also are > the ideal tool for jiggling TMP plugs into place. > > One other word of comfort: all of those connectors become much easier to > insert and remove after the first time. > > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Clay Autery >> Sent: 05 August 2016 20:08 >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit >> >> Yes... >> >> 1) While awaiting its delivery, download all the latest PDF documents >> for assembly and operation (sometimes combined) for each component in >> your setup. >> 2) Read ALL of them. >> 3) Re-read the K3s assembly manual. >> 4) Make SURE you have all the required tools and materials on hand. >> 5) Upon arrival, DO THE INVENTORY FIRST... down to every little piece >> of hardware. >> 6) Segregate hardware using labeled ZipLoc baggies for each assembly > step. >> (If there is any missing parts/hardware, do a SINGLE shortage request > to >> Elecraft) >> 7) Make sure you have an assembly area which will be large enough and >> undisturbed/low traffic. >> 8) Go slowly... ENJOY the process... And fit things together as > closely >> and squarely as possible. >> >> NOTHING in the process requires hammers or force... >> >> If you have a question, feel free to email the list or me directly. >> >> Congratulations on becoming the owner of the world's best radio! :-) >> >> >> 73, >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >> On 8/5/2016 9:05 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: >>> Any advise for a putting a K3S together? >>> I just ordered it. >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 5 19:53:27 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 19:53:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?b?wr0gzrsgZGlwb2xlcw==?= In-Reply-To: <00c601d1ef6a$9687d070$c3977150$@erols.com> References: <00c601d1ef6a$9687d070$c3977150$@erols.com> Message-ID: <59a349d2-ec50-8270-ee31-d8abe197ca9a@embarqmail.com> Charlie, A bit of history --- Most of those ham antennas that used parallel wires were folded dipole antennas - yes they were mostly 1/2 wavelength long. The feedpoint impedance for that antenna is 300 ohms. Add a 3rd wire or a 4th and the impedance increases. So to my mind, that was an attempt to match the feedline to the antenna which in early days was open wire line which for normal spacing has a characteristic impedance near 600 ohms. By the time I became a ham, TV twinlead was common with a characteristic impedance of 300 ohms. Many ham antennas were created using that twinlead. A folded dipole was made from the twinlead and fed in the center with additional twinlead serving as the feedline. With the migration to coax feedlines, those older techniques have faded from memory, but those antenna *did* work just fine although many hams did not really understand why. At that time we had PA tank circuits with swinging link coils and could match most any impedance. The tuning sequence was to start with the link lightly coupled to the PA inductor and then to "dip the plate" to resonance - then slowly increase the coupling between the PA inductor and the antenna link to increase the PA current. That was done in an iterative manner until the plate current was at the desired point. That process could match most any load that the antenna and feedline might present to the transmitter. Then came television. Many ham transmitters were interfering with TV reception, so transmitters became shielded devices, and the shift to coax rather than open transmitters with the older parallel feedline connection direct to the antenna slowly became a product of the past. Swinging links and plug in coils inside a shielded enclosure were possible, but a PITA. So the advent of the Pi-Network in ham transmitters was born. It allowed band switching and could match a reasonable range of antenna impedance. The shielded coax feedlines provided the chassis shield to be extended all the way to the antenna feedpoint (or so the story goes, but that is not entirely true). The bottom line of what I am trying to communicate is that much of ham radio antennas, transmission lines and transmitter construction changed drastically in the 1950s with the advent of television and that was done primarily to reduce ham interference to TV viewing (TVI). As an example of that effort, my first novice transmitter which I built from a design in a 1955 ARRL Handbook was in a completely shielded enclosure and used shielded wiring throughout with bypass capacitors at each end of the shield wire. That included all the wiring, filaments and DC power circuits and anything else. If you find a 1955 ARRL handbook it was the 75 watt transmitter with a 5763 crystal oscillator and 6146 final included in that book. Nostalgia urges me to again build that transmitter, but practical sense says that it would be prohibitively expensive these days and some components are no longer available. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2016 6:41 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > I'm curious as to when the concept of a ? ? dipole became the norm? > > In other words, the idea of the current distribution as exists on a dipole. > > Early pictures of typical ham antennas looked more like a set of parallel > clothesline wires. > > What I gather from reading early articles, it seemed that the more wire you > had in the air, the better it would "capture" (and radiate) the signals. > > Feel free to reply directly if you don't want to clutter the forum. > > (k3ich at arrl dot net) > > From kevin at k4vd.net Fri Aug 5 20:08:08 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 20:08:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest,Vol 148, issue 10 In-Reply-To: <416052E9-2087-411D-A40A-13D025CD2E0C@me.com> References: <416052E9-2087-411D-A40A-13D025CD2E0C@me.com> Message-ID: And then the conversation gets terminated. I was enjoying the discussion and learning from it. It's too bad there isn't an easy way to move conversations strangely deemed off-topic or maybe boring to a few to a side conversation for those still interested. Reading archives is for librarians. Hams communicate. Kevin / K4VD From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 5 20:11:04 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 20:11:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: References: <5db412a1-6b40-386e-4e39-fe31a1f9803a@montac.com> <01a201d1ef52$709b07a0$51d116e0$@co.uk> Message-ID: Kevin, While the magnetized screwdrivers may be a bit of a help for the K3/K3S or KX3 build, I prefer to keep anything magnetized away from my workbench. I do work with thru-hole components in the Elecraft legacy gear and have bits of cutoff leads "afloat" on my workbench most of the time. Those leads are collected on any magnetic tool and become a PITA to remove before using the tool. I have an old Weller soldering gun on the floor next to the workbench whose only purpose is to provide the AC field in the loop formed by its tip - that field is used to de-magnetize screwdrivers, pliers and any other tools used on the workbench. One does not have to deal with clipped component leads in the assembly of the K3S or KX3, so your situation may be different than mine. For me, no magnetic tools. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2016 7:53 PM, Kevin wrote: > Ditto, and here's another vote for hemostats. > > The first tool I acquired before building my K2 was a collection of > curved nose and straight 8" hemostats, smooth and serrated. I married > into a family full of doctors so the price was right and being > stainless steel won't ever rust. Second thing was three brand new high > quality magnetized #0, 1, and 2 Phillips screw drivers. They haven't > been used on anything other than Elecraft "stuff". > > From ron at cobi.biz Fri Aug 5 20:23:11 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:23:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] =?iso-8859-7?q?=BD_=EB_dipoles?= In-Reply-To: <59a349d2-ec50-8270-ee31-d8abe197ca9a@embarqmail.com> References: <00c601d1ef6a$9687d070$c3977150$@erols.com> <59a349d2-ec50-8270-ee31-d8abe197ca9a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <000001d1ef78$b75351e0$25f9f5a0$@biz> What Don says is quite right for the 1930's, 40's and onward. I was describing the early antennas of the teens an 20's. They have but one wire feed with several parallel wires the last few feet to connect to the horizontal wires. Once Hams moved quickly from 200 meters to 80, 40 and even the rarified high frequency of 20 meters the antennas changed accordingly. Multi-wire folded dipoles were, as Don says, an easy way to match 600 ohm open wire lines (although few Hams cared about SWR) and had the side advantage of broadening the frequency response. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 4:53 PM To: Charlie T, K3ICH; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ? ? dipoles Charlie, A bit of history --- Most of those ham antennas that used parallel wires were folded dipole antennas - yes they were mostly 1/2 wavelength long. The feedpoint impedance for that antenna is 300 ohms. Add a 3rd wire or a 4th and the impedance increases. So to my mind, that was an attempt to match the feedline to the antenna which in early days was open wire line which for normal spacing has a characteristic impedance near 600 ohms. By the time I became a ham, TV twinlead was common with a characteristic impedance of 300 ohms. Many ham antennas were created using that twinlead. A folded dipole was made from the twinlead and fed in the center with additional twinlead serving as the feedline. With the migration to coax feedlines, those older techniques have faded from memory, but those antenna *did* work just fine although many hams did not really understand why. At that time we had PA tank circuits with swinging link coils and could match most any impedance. The tuning sequence was to start with the link lightly coupled to the PA inductor and then to "dip the plate" to resonance - then slowly increase the coupling between the PA inductor and the antenna link to increase the PA current. That was done in an iterative manner until the plate current was at the desired point. That process could match most any load that the antenna and feedline might present to the transmitter. Then came television. Many ham transmitters were interfering with TV reception, so transmitters became shielded devices, and the shift to coax rather than open transmitters with the older parallel feedline connection direct to the antenna slowly became a product of the past. Swinging links and plug in coils inside a shielded enclosure were possible, but a PITA. So the advent of the Pi-Network in ham transmitters was born. It allowed band switching and could match a reasonable range of antenna impedance. The shielded coax feedlines provided the chassis shield to be extended all the way to the antenna feedpoint (or so the story goes, but that is not entirely true). The bottom line of what I am trying to communicate is that much of ham radio antennas, transmission lines and transmitter construction changed drastically in the 1950s with the advent of television and that was done primarily to reduce ham interference to TV viewing (TVI). As an example of that effort, my first novice transmitter which I built from a design in a 1955 ARRL Handbook was in a completely shielded enclosure and used shielded wiring throughout with bypass capacitors at each end of the shield wire. That included all the wiring, filaments and DC power circuits and anything else. If you find a 1955 ARRL handbook it was the 75 watt transmitter with a 5763 crystal oscillator and 6146 final included in that book. Nostalgia urges me to again build that transmitter, but practical sense says that it would be prohibitively expensive these days and some components are no longer available. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2016 6:41 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > I'm curious as to when the concept of a ? ? dipole became the norm? > > In other words, the idea of the current distribution as exists on a dipole. > > Early pictures of typical ham antennas looked more like a set of > parallel clothesline wires. > > What I gather from reading early articles, it seemed that the more > wire you had in the air, the better it would "capture" (and radiate) the signals. > > Feel free to reply directly if you don't want to clutter the forum. > > (k3ich at arrl dot net) > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Aug 5 20:23:17 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:23:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?b?wr0gzrsgZGlwb2xlcw==?= In-Reply-To: <59a349d2-ec50-8270-ee31-d8abe197ca9a@embarqmail.com> References: <00c601d1ef6a$9687d070$c3977150$@erols.com> <59a349d2-ec50-8270-ee31-d8abe197ca9a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Some of the early ?clothesline? antennas were a large capacity hat on a vertical. If the antenna has one vertical wire connected to all of the top wires, it is probably a capacity-loaded vertical. This Wikimedia image shows a top-loaded vertical. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Amateur_radio_T_antenna_1912.png With longwave communication, a resonant antenna was not practical for most hams, whether horizontal or vertical. I certainly don?t have room for a half-wave for the 600 meter band. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 5, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Charlie, > > A bit of history --- > > Most of those ham antennas that used parallel wires were folded dipole antennas - yes they were mostly 1/2 wavelength long. The feedpoint impedance for that antenna is 300 ohms. Add a 3rd wire or a 4th and the impedance increases. So to my mind, that was an attempt to match the feedline to the antenna which in early days was open wire line which for normal spacing has a characteristic impedance near 600 ohms. > By the time I became a ham, TV twinlead was common with a characteristic impedance of 300 ohms. Many ham antennas were created using that twinlead. A folded dipole was made from the twinlead and fed in the center with additional twinlead serving as the feedline. > > With the migration to coax feedlines, those older techniques have faded from memory, but those antenna *did* work just fine although many hams did not really understand why. > > At that time we had PA tank circuits with swinging link coils and could match most any impedance. The tuning sequence was to start with the link lightly coupled to the PA inductor and then to "dip the plate" to resonance - then slowly increase the coupling between the PA inductor and the antenna link to increase the PA current. That was done in an iterative manner until the plate current was at the desired point. > That process could match most any load that the antenna and feedline might present to the transmitter. > > Then came television. Many ham transmitters were interfering with TV reception, so transmitters became shielded devices, and the shift to coax rather than open transmitters with the older parallel feedline connection direct to the antenna slowly became a product of the past. Swinging links and plug in coils inside a shielded enclosure were possible, but a PITA. > So the advent of the Pi-Network in ham transmitters was born. It allowed band switching and could match a reasonable range of antenna impedance. The shielded coax feedlines provided the chassis shield to be extended all the way to the antenna feedpoint (or so the story goes, but that is not entirely true). > > The bottom line of what I am trying to communicate is that much of ham radio antennas, transmission lines and transmitter construction changed drastically in the 1950s with the advent of television and that was done primarily to reduce ham interference to TV viewing (TVI). > As an example of that effort, my first novice transmitter which I built from a design in a 1955 ARRL Handbook was in a completely shielded enclosure and used shielded wiring throughout with bypass capacitors at each end of the shield wire. That included all the wiring, filaments and DC power circuits and anything else. If you find a 1955 ARRL handbook it was the 75 watt transmitter with a 5763 crystal oscillator and 6146 final included in that book. Nostalgia urges me to again build that transmitter, but practical sense says that it would be prohibitively expensive these days and some components are no longer available. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/5/2016 6:41 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >> I'm curious as to when the concept of a ? ? dipole became the norm? >> >> In other words, the idea of the current distribution as exists on a dipole. >> >> Early pictures of typical ham antennas looked more like a set of parallel >> clothesline wires. >> >> What I gather from reading early articles, it seemed that the more wire you >> had in the air, the better it would "capture" (and radiate) the signals. >> >> Feel free to reply directly if you don't want to clutter the forum. >> >> (k3ich at arrl dot net) >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Aug 5 20:45:43 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 16:45:43 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit Message-ID: <201608060045.u760jihe026403@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Hey folks, stop raiding your wife's kitchen; go to your local store (Walmart is where I went) and look in the sports dept for tackle boxes. You're likely to find similar clear plastic organizer boxes for the home shop. I have several of them to hold and organize small parts, hardware, electronic components, etal. Just identify each part, group similar sizes and place them in separate compartments. Then as you go methodically thru the installation manual as you build - it will be much easier to find the proper part to use. I have separate boxes reserved for specific kits (but then I am a "professional" kit builder). BTW I keep all the extra parts so later if building the same kit and a part is missing I can just reach into my spare parts to replace the missing part (also nice when that sm part is lost in the carpet). Be sure to write Ron if a step seems confusing as he depends on your feedback to improve the manuals. One reaches a limit where self proof reading is effective 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From ron at cobi.biz Fri Aug 5 21:30:09 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:30:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: <201608060045.u760jihe026403@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201608060045.u760jihe026403@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <000001d1ef82$1274da90$375e8fb0$@biz> Ha, Ha!!! Actually I do most of the cooking here and have a fondness for Brie and Camembert cheese that comes in little circular wooden containers about 4.5 inches in diameter and an inch high. They are my favorite parts boxes. If I'm sorting a bunch of small screws by size, etc., I use many of them put a slip of paper in with them that shows the size in that container. A bench discipline that I maintain is to NEVER (make that 24 point Gothic) set a screw or other small part on the table. It MUST go into one of those containers. That saves me from putting a bit of panty hose or sheer stocking over the end of my vacuum suction hose and carefully going over the entire floor until the missing part is stuck to the hose covering the vacuum opening. A lot of builders have weighed in with their favorite tools to build. Wayne has asked me to keep the tool list to what is needed. I use ONLY the tools in the list in the manual (even though I may have other favorites) to build the test units. We didn't want people to think they had to run out and buy a bunch of special tools. If you have something that works better for you, by all means use it. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 5:46 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit Hey folks, stop raiding your wife's kitchen; go to your local store (Walmart is where I went) and look in the sports dept for tackle boxes. You're likely to find similar clear plastic organizer boxes for the home shop. I have several of them to hold and organize small parts, hardware, electronic components, etal. ... 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From ron at cobi.biz Fri Aug 5 21:32:07 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:32:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?b?wr0gzrsgZGlwb2xlcw==?= In-Reply-To: References: <00c601d1ef6a$9687d070$c3977150$@erols.com> <59a349d2-ec50-8270-ee31-d8abe197ca9a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <000101d1ef82$58d97bd0$0a8c7370$@biz> Egzactly Walter... that's the antenna arrangement I was thinking of back before DX on the "short waves" was discovered! Thanks, 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Walter Underwood Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 5:23 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ? ? dipoles Some of the early ?clothesline? antennas were a large capacity hat on a vertical. If the antenna has one vertical wire connected to all of the top wires, it is probably a capacity-loaded vertical. This Wikimedia image shows a top-loaded vertical. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Amateur_radio_T_antenna_1912.png With longwave communication, a resonant antenna was not practical for most hams, whether horizontal or vertical. I certainly don?t have room for a half-wave for the 600 meter band. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 5, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Charlie, > > A bit of history --- > > Most of those ham antennas that used parallel wires were folded dipole antennas - yes they were mostly 1/2 wavelength long. The feedpoint impedance for that antenna is 300 ohms. Add a 3rd wire or a 4th and the impedance increases. So to my mind, that was an attempt to match the feedline to the antenna which in early days was open wire line which for normal spacing has a characteristic impedance near 600 ohms. > By the time I became a ham, TV twinlead was common with a characteristic impedance of 300 ohms. Many ham antennas were created using that twinlead. A folded dipole was made from the twinlead and fed in the center with additional twinlead serving as the feedline. > > With the migration to coax feedlines, those older techniques have faded from memory, but those antenna *did* work just fine although many hams did not really understand why. > > At that time we had PA tank circuits with swinging link coils and could match most any impedance. The tuning sequence was to start with the link lightly coupled to the PA inductor and then to "dip the plate" to resonance - then slowly increase the coupling between the PA inductor and the antenna link to increase the PA current. That was done in an iterative manner until the plate current was at the desired point. > That process could match most any load that the antenna and feedline might present to the transmitter. > > Then came television. Many ham transmitters were interfering with TV reception, so transmitters became shielded devices, and the shift to coax rather than open transmitters with the older parallel feedline connection direct to the antenna slowly became a product of the past. Swinging links and plug in coils inside a shielded enclosure were possible, but a PITA. > So the advent of the Pi-Network in ham transmitters was born. It allowed band switching and could match a reasonable range of antenna impedance. The shielded coax feedlines provided the chassis shield to be extended all the way to the antenna feedpoint (or so the story goes, but that is not entirely true). > > The bottom line of what I am trying to communicate is that much of ham radio antennas, transmission lines and transmitter construction changed drastically in the 1950s with the advent of television and that was done primarily to reduce ham interference to TV viewing (TVI). > As an example of that effort, my first novice transmitter which I built from a design in a 1955 ARRL Handbook was in a completely shielded enclosure and used shielded wiring throughout with bypass capacitors at each end of the shield wire. That included all the wiring, filaments and DC power circuits and anything else. If you find a 1955 ARRL handbook it was the 75 watt transmitter with a 5763 crystal oscillator and 6146 final included in that book. Nostalgia urges me to again build that transmitter, but practical sense says that it would be prohibitively expensive these days and some components are no longer available. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/5/2016 6:41 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >> I'm curious as to when the concept of a ? ? dipole became the norm? >> >> In other words, the idea of the current distribution as exists on a dipole. >> >> Early pictures of typical ham antennas looked more like a set of >> parallel clothesline wires. >> >> What I gather from reading early articles, it seemed that the more >> wire you had in the air, the better it would "capture" (and radiate) the signals. >> >> Feel free to reply directly if you don't want to clutter the forum. >> >> (k3ich at arrl dot net) >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > wunder at wunderwood.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 5 23:03:56 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 23:03:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: <000001d1ef82$1274da90$375e8fb0$@biz> References: <201608060045.u760jihe026403@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> <000001d1ef82$1274da90$375e8fb0$@biz> Message-ID: Hi all, I also like Brie and Camembert - yummy cheese! My assembly practices differ from Ron's, I put all the hardware parts into a tray (no dividers). From previous experience from a 10 year woodworking career, I have a very good idea of the difference between 3/16 inch and 1/4 inch as well as the difference between 2-56 hardware and 4-40 or 6-32 hardware. So I can mix them all up and pick out the proper size from the mixture. Yes, if there is any doubt in my mind about the size, I will measure it, and I do have an engineer's rule at the workbench exactly for that purpose. I acknowledge that not everyone has developed that skill, but for those who have it, the task is greatly simplified. Those who lack that skill may need to sort the hardware into separate muffin tins or other containers with marker tags as a reminder of the size in the compartment. Actually, I hate those muffin tins or plastic box compartments because I cannot just reach in with my fingers and pull out a component - pliers or tweezers are needed to extract a screw or other component from those containers. Ron's use of the cheese boxes is a good one because it allows you to grab the needed screw with your fingers - however, those larger containers take up more space on the working area. So -- judge your skill at identifying screw sizes correctly and work accordingly - neither is right or wrong. Just do what will allow you to select the right size component when it is needed with the least amount of extra effort in the process. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2016 9:30 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Ha, Ha!!! Actually I do most of the cooking here and have a fondness for > Brie and Camembert cheese that comes in little circular wooden containers > about 4.5 inches in diameter and an inch high. They are my favorite parts > boxes. If I'm sorting a bunch of small screws by size, etc., I use many of > them put a slip of paper in with them that shows the size in that container. > > > A bench discipline that I maintain is to NEVER (make that 24 point Gothic) > set a screw or other small part on the table. It MUST go into one of those > containers. That saves me from putting a bit of panty hose or sheer stocking > over the end of my vacuum suction hose and carefully going over the entire > floor until the missing part is stuck to the hose covering the vacuum > opening. > > A lot of builders have weighed in with their favorite tools to build. Wayne > has asked me to keep the tool list to what is needed. I use ONLY the tools > in the list in the manual (even though I may have other favorites) to build > the test units. We didn't want people to think they had to run out and buy a > bunch of special tools. If you have something that works better for you, by > all means use it. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward > R Cole > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 5:46 PM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit > > Hey folks, stop raiding your wife's kitchen; go to your local store (Walmart > is where I went) and look in the sports dept for tackle boxes. You're > likely to find similar clear plastic organizer boxes for the home shop. I > have several of them to hold and organize small parts, hardware, electronic > components, etal. > ... > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From htodd at twofifty.com Sat Aug 6 00:04:42 2016 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 21:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: <003601d1ef3f$c7d4b880$577e2980$@biz> References: <003601d1ef3f$c7d4b880$577e2980$@biz> Message-ID: My least favorite part is all the errata. Make all the notes in the manual about where you have to look at the other piece of paper. You'll see what I mean when you download the manual and the errata. I'd suggest just-in-time printing and versioned manuals, but I don't run the company. On Fri, 5 Aug 2016, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > In addition to Wayne's comments, > > 1) Do the parts inventory even though your fingers are itching to start > assembly. That's something many of us skip over and finding and identifying > each part before you start helps avoid confusion during assembly. There's no > "Aaaaargh!" moment as bad as discovering that you used the wrong screw a few > pages back and now you don't have it when it is needed. Besides, doing that > in some steps can damage parts. > > 2) Be sure to check off each step in the assembly instructions. Check boxes > are provided. Skipping a step is one of the most common reasons why a > builder has to "back up" and reassemble a portion of the kit again after > leaving something out. Checking the boxes helps make a skipped step stand > out before you go too far. > > 3) If a step is not clear, feel free to drop me a note (ron at elecraft.com or > ron at cobi.biz). I wrote the manual and the primary reason I try to keep an > eye on this reflector is to pick up any issues people might report > assembling their kits. Of course, during regular M-F business hours you can > also contact k3support at elecraft.com. I'm not at the factory, so they are the > people to contact in the unlikely event something is missing. > > 4) Have fun building. Have fun operating. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne > Michael > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 7:05 AM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit > > Any advise for a putting a K3S together? > I just ordered it. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ron at cobi.biz > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to htodd at twofifty.com > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 00:51:17 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 07:51:17 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: <201608060045.u760jihe026403@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201608060045.u760jihe026403@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <5008AAFE-CFB7-4188-91A5-B8280BA9077C@gmail.com> I like metal cupcake tins (muffin pans). They are shaped so it's easy to get little parts out, and you can set them on your antistatic mat or connect them to it. -- Vic 4X6GP On August 6, 2016 3:45:43 AM GMT+03:00, Edward R Cole wrote: >Hey folks, stop raiding your wife's kitchen; go to your local store >(Walmart is where I went) and look in the sports dept for tackle >boxes. You're likely to find similar clear plastic organizer boxes >for the home shop. I have several of them to hold and organize small >parts, hardware, electronic components, etal. > >Just identify each part, group similar sizes and place them in >separate compartments. Then as you go methodically thru the >installation manual as you build - it will be much easier to find the >proper part to use. > >I have separate boxes reserved for specific kits (but then I am a >"professional" kit builder). > >BTW I keep all the extra parts so later if building the same kit and >a part is missing I can just reach into my spare parts to replace the >missing part (also nice when that sm part is lost in the carpet). > >Be sure to write Ron if a step seems confusing as he depends on your >feedback to improve the manuals. One reaches a limit where self >proof reading is effective > >73, Ed - KL7UW >http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" >Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Sat Aug 6 03:09:18 2016 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 08:09:18 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Kit Building In-Reply-To: <001201d1ef6b$8cf39d90$a6dad8b0$@biz> References: <001201d1ef6b$8cf39d90$a6dad8b0$@biz> Message-ID: <003901d1efb1$77b9a500$672cef00$@co.uk> >Assembling a kit rig is just like any other important activity: > >If you don't have time to do it right, you must find time to do it over. That brought back a quote from the '70s: "Assembly of Japanese bicycle require great peace of mind." Assembly of Elecraft kit, likewise. 73 from Ian GM3SEK From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 05:03:25 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 19:03:25 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Kit Building In-Reply-To: <003901d1efb1$77b9a500$672cef00$@co.uk> References: <001201d1ef6b$8cf39d90$a6dad8b0$@biz> <003901d1efb1$77b9a500$672cef00$@co.uk> Message-ID: <57a5a7d9.831c620a.4b5e.4644@mx.google.com> I have been reading many good tips bit I didn't see the egg carton. I used that, and being somewhat of a clutz, I bumped it and spent a long time on hands and knees playing 52 pickup. Next time I will secure it with Velcro :-) Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Ian White" Sent: ?6/?08/?2016 5:10 PM To: "'Elecraft at mailman.qth.net'" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Kit Building >Assembling a kit rig is just like any other important activity: > >If you don't have time to do it right, you must find time to do it over. That brought back a quote from the '70s: "Assembly of Japanese bicycle require great peace of mind." Assembly of Elecraft kit, likewise. 73 from Ian GM3SEK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From jimmy.walker at outlook.com Sat Aug 6 09:56:54 2016 From: jimmy.walker at outlook.com (James Walker) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 13:56:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: <5008AAFE-CFB7-4188-91A5-B8280BA9077C@gmail.com> References: <201608060045.u760jihe026403@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> <5008AAFE-CFB7-4188-91A5-B8280BA9077C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Has anyone mentioned the styrofoam method? I?ve always saved a good chunk of styrofoam from an appliance purchase to be used to stick parts in. It works super for capacitors, resistors and similarly shaped parts. It?s a bit tedious to put the parts into the foam block one by one, but it makes identifying and selecting them for installation so much easier during kit construction. Also, they don?t fall out easily. Jimmy Walker WA4ILO Macon, GA On Aug 6, 2016, at 12:51 AM, Vic Rosenthal > wrote: I like metal cupcake tins (muffin pans). They are shaped so it's easy to get little parts out, and you can set them on your antistatic mat or connect them to it. From w1hyv at arrl.net Sat Aug 6 10:16:30 2016 From: w1hyv at arrl.net (Alan Price) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 14:16:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Let me build your Elecraft K2 or other Elecraft kit Message-ID: Let me build a K2, or other Elecraft kit for you. My prices are reasonable, and you receive a finished radio with the options you want. 73 Alan W1HYV From cautery at montac.com Sat Aug 6 10:23:16 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 09:23:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Kit Building In-Reply-To: <57a5a7d9.831c620a.4b5e.4644@mx.google.com> References: <001201d1ef6b$8cf39d90$a6dad8b0$@biz> <003901d1efb1$77b9a500$672cef00$@co.uk> <57a5a7d9.831c620a.4b5e.4644@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <44249fb2-ab34-4f96-2677-57dd6c77e51e@montac.com> Tried egg cartons once..... ONCE. Never again. As indicated earlier, I use Ziploc bags (freezer) a lot to segregate sub-assembly parts... but for organizing my Elecraft builds (and storing spares, et al), I also bought out Bass Pro on Plano #3600 boxes and a couple others for larger parts and then bought a couple of 6x racks to hold them all. I can't stand a messy bench. And HATE searching through a "pile-o-hardware" ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/6/2016 4:03 AM, Gary wrote: > I have been reading many good tips bit I didn't see the egg carton. > I used that, and being somewhat of a clutz, I bumped it and spent a long time on hands and knees playing 52 pickup. > Next time I will secure it with Velcro :-) > Gary > From fritzejohn at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 10:43:48 2016 From: fritzejohn at gmail.com (John Fritze) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 10:43:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Kit building In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All this talk of keeping parts separate, here's what works for me: if you know someone who owns a diner, ask them for one of their egg crates. Made of a cardboard like material, usually has depressions for 5 dozen eggs (60 dips). Take a "Sharpie" and mark the screw sizes, on the inside of the drepression. I sometimes will double up similar or parts that are used together. At a glance you can see all your parts and use accordinly. As a bonus, when you kit is finished and you are on to your next project, turn the egg crate 90 degrees an write the new part numbers again on the inside. One egg crate has served me through 2 K2s with all the bells and whistles, three K3s, KX3s KPA500, and more. And when its time to discard it makes great BBQ fire starter. From dave.w0zf at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 11:49:59 2016 From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 15:49:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Transverters problem Message-ID: I disconnected my K3 completely to move it. I have the 3 XV series transverters and a p3. Moved the k3 and transverters to a different spot and reconnected without the P3. All are powered through a rig runner. When I apply power to the rig runner the K3 powers on by itself, which is odd. Everything seems to work including automatic switching of the transverters. However when I try to power of the K3 with its power button, the K3 display goes blank but it's backlight remains on. After that, it won't power back up unless I remove and restore dc power to the K3. If I disconnect the daisy chained accessory cable from the k3 , the K3 powers on and off normally. What gives? From david at getzy.org Sat Aug 6 11:54:04 2016 From: david at getzy.org (Dr. David M Getzy) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 09:54:04 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Elecraft Message-ID: <69928FD6-DA01-4583-81BC-CBDD12987037@getzy.org> Morning Folks, I have always had some type of amateur radio in my car. First licensed in junior high and now at 62, I have gone through a lot of radios and variations in my shack. For several reasons, I have decided to "simplify" my station, and have a Elecraft only approach to my on the air time. As I have followed this forum, I haven't seem much discussion about how people have used an Elecraft radio in their cars, rvs, etc. Specifically, I'm wondering what radios have been found to work well in the car, how the radio has been mounted/connected, what other accessories may be helpful- i.e.-speakers/etc., and what type of emf radiator has been most effective for HF and VHF work. Any insights would be greatly appreciated. I will shortly be trying to pull any info from the archives (sorry for doing this backwards). Thanks in advance. As I pretty much maxed out my Elecraft station this week (someone please stop me from replacing my K3 with the K3s), I've got a bunch of radios and accessories collected over 45 years for sale- any one interested ?. Vy 73, Dave, WS0D Dr. Dave Getzy Fort Collins, CO Sent from my iPhone From dave.w0zf at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 11:57:19 2016 From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 15:57:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Transverters problem-Never Mind! Message-ID: As so often happens, when I take the time to explain a problem, I realize the solution. My problem was that I accidentally swapped the two BNC cables when reconnecting to the K3. Connected correctly and all is well Maybe these postings will help some other poor soul someday anyhow. From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Aug 6 12:22:15 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 16:22:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sorting Parts Message-ID: <8F1B9AEF-4595-4E72-BF4B-849614D9037B@law.du.edu> The muffin tin and the egg crate are my favorites. The tin is grounded with copper braid to the same ground point as the ESD mat. As for egg crates, for kits with PCB components like the K2 line I use the cardboard version rather than the styrofoam, and that for the same reason that I don?t use plastic bins for any electronic components. I don?t want those parts in any container that can take an electrostatic charge. Many plastics and styro do. During construction easy-remove masking tape is also handy. I use it to label otherwise illegible small capacitors during sorting; and on the PCB kits to hold components like relays, some hardware pieces, and the leads for grounding crystals, in place long enough to fashion them in properly. The kind of tape used for delicate wallpapers peels off leaving no residue. My congrats and thanks to whomever it was that invented the nylon stocking over the vacuum hose as a way to find the escapees that leapt to the floor. Resourcefulness is the hallmark ham tradition. That one is brilliant! Ted, KN1CBR From dave.w0zf at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 12:26:48 2016 From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 16:26:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Turn on KAT500? Message-ID: Still trying to sort out my transverter problem - see my first post on that today. I have only the transverters connected to the K3. When I connect power to the rig runner, the k3 tried to power on by itself and displays 'turn on KAT 500'. I don't even have one, but I do have a P3, which is not connected at this point. I vaguely recall seeing that message when I first got my P3, and finding a solution, I don't remember what it was. Help?! From ar at dseven.org Sat Aug 6 12:57:55 2016 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 09:57:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Turn on KAT500? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Dave Fugleberg wrote: > Still trying to sort out my transverter problem - see my first post on that > today. I have only the transverters connected to the K3. When I connect > power to the rig runner, the k3 tried to power on by itself and displays > 'turn on KAT 500'. I don't even have one, but I do have a P3, which is not > connected at this point. > I vaguely recall seeing that message when I first got my P3, and finding a > solution, I don't remember what it was. See http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3-field-test-firmware-new-PSK63-mode-changes-related-to-KAT500-amp-K3-0-mini-td7593869.html Do you have something connected to AUX on the K3, that might be pulling down the AUXBUS line? 73, ~iain / N6ML From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sat Aug 6 12:59:55 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 08:59:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] ? ? dipoles Message-ID: <201608061659.u76Gxudp017460@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> My very first ham radio antenna was made from TV twinlead which was cheap and very accessible back in the 1950's when I started. I made a 40m folded dipole and feedline was also twinlead. That I soldered on a PL-259 connector to attach my Heath DX-35 which was 50-ohm didn't faze me (it worked fine since the Pi-Net tuned to it). Don't recall there being any TVI (we lived in the country in an old farm house). Later on I migrated to VHF with Tech. License and built yagis, but my HF antenna were old reliable and simple half-wave dipoles. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From dave.w0zf at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 13:13:06 2016 From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 17:13:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Turn on KAT500? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah I realized that while troubleshooting my other transverter problem, I disconnected power to the transverters. That was pulling down the bus and giving me that error. I still have my original transverter issue from this morning, but I got past the 'turn on KAT 500' error. Thanks. On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 11:57 AM iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: > On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Dave Fugleberg > wrote: > > Still trying to sort out my transverter problem - see my first post on > that > > today. I have only the transverters connected to the K3. When I connect > > power to the rig runner, the k3 tried to power on by itself and displays > > 'turn on KAT 500'. I don't even have one, but I do have a P3, which is > not > > connected at this point. > > I vaguely recall seeing that message when I first got my P3, and finding > a > > solution, I don't remember what it was. > > See > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-K3-field-test-firmware-new-PSK63-mode-changes-related-to-KAT500-amp-K3-0-mini-td7593869.html > > Do you have something connected to AUX on the K3, that might be > pulling down the AUXBUS line? > > 73, > > ~iain / N6ML > From ny9h at arrl.net Sat Aug 6 13:13:40 2016 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 13:13:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Elecraft In-Reply-To: <69928FD6-DA01-4583-81BC-CBDD12987037@getzy.org> References: <69928FD6-DA01-4583-81BC-CBDD12987037@getzy.org> Message-ID: two weeks ago drove back from Chicago to Pittsburgh area,.,,, with my kx2 mounted at the bottom of my center console, just above the handbrake. VW sportwagen , diesel, with little tarheels on the roof rack. The KX2 was exciting the KXPA100, which fits nicely under my drivers seat. While the AMP has a big heatsink , it has no fan noise..advantage. My KX3 with the bnc out the side was too wide to fit in the defined spot. It was previously home to an ICOM 706 head, with the radio in the rear,,,, Using a 3D printer I am trying to make a small bracket for the kx2, to allow removal of the radio. Still no good result... Since it is a diesel had no ignition noise, however there are some spots in the ham bands which have strong noise from the injection system, but noit wideband like spark plug noise. Just played radio a bit on the trip , as my wife was along, she gets priority. I did check into the Pennsylvania PEMA/ACS net on 75 meters,,,, getting 5x7 reports from central Indiana , which I thought was good for a mobile. The audio from the radio's litty speaker was loud enough in the car which is NOT a quiet car. I used a mic I made from a 5$ Chinese talkie microphone. it's a keeper for the mobile & other uses for me .... Also have used the KX2&3 mobile with a JUIMA P100D 100 watt amp. Using a screwdriver antenna removes the need for any tuner.... I may someday pull the BNC and put an sma on the bottom, it would be MUCH nicer for mobile use. bill ny9h /3 From mattz at elecraft.com Sat Aug 6 13:24:24 2016 From: mattz at elecraft.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 10:24:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Elecraft In-Reply-To: <69928FD6-DA01-4583-81BC-CBDD12987037@getzy.org> References: <69928FD6-DA01-4583-81BC-CBDD12987037@getzy.org> Message-ID: <99d04fd4-cd09-0815-bcc0-3be663bd9c4b@elecraft.com> Hi Dave, You might want to try this page: http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#kx3_mobile. I wrote the article / app note about four years ago, and it describes one ham's KX3 mobile usage. Below the description, there is a URL to K0BG's mobile operations web site. This web site is an encyclopedia of mobile operations. It's a great place to gather information and ideas. At present, I use a KX2 and KXPA100 mobile. The antenna system uses Hustler masts and resonators. Prior to the KX2, I was using the KX3 in the car. 73! matt W6NIA On 8/6/2016 8:54 AM, Dr. David M Getzy wrote: > Morning Folks, > > I have always had some type of amateur radio in my car. First licensed in junior high and now at 62, I have gone through a lot of radios and variations in my shack. For several reasons, I have decided to "simplify" my station, and have a Elecraft only approach to my on the air time. > > As I have followed this forum, I haven't seem much discussion about how people have used an Elecraft radio in their cars, rvs, etc. Specifically, I'm wondering what radios have been found to work well in the car, how the radio has been mounted/connected, what other accessories may be helpful- i.e.-speakers/etc., and what type of emf radiator has been most effective for HF and VHF work. > > Any insights would be greatly appreciated. I will shortly be trying to pull any info from the archives (sorry for doing this backwards). > > Thanks in advance. As I pretty much maxed out my Elecraft station this week (someone please stop me from replacing my K3 with the K3s), I've got a bunch of radios and accessories collected over 45 years for sale- any one interested ?. > > Vy 73, > > Dave, WS0D > > > > Dr. Dave Getzy > Fort Collins, CO > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- Matt Zilmer, W6NIA www.elecraft.com Office: 831-763-4211 x125 Mobile: 909-730-6552 [Shiraz] From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Aug 6 13:49:28 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 10:49:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Elecraft In-Reply-To: <20160806171614.C45FE28B4E21@mailman.qth.net> References: <69928FD6-DA01-4583-81BC-CBDD12987037@getzy.org> <20160806171614.C45FE28B4E21@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: Our mutual friend, K9IKZ, did a very clean install of a KX3 in the dash of his Volvo or Audi sedan. I've seen photos. I don't remember what Ron did with the KXPA100. You can see what W6GJB did for a temporary install in his Ford pickup in slide 8 of this link. k9yc.com/7QP.pdf The KXPA100 was on the floor of the back seat. For our 7QP trip, Glen, W6GJB, drove and Frank, W6JTI rode shotgun and operated 20M and 40M CW. This photo was posed after we returned home to show the setup. In years past, I've done a lot of CW mobile with a variety of rigs -- the original Omni, 746, TS850, FT100D, and others I've forgotten. I only work HF mobile when I'm alone in the vehicle, never when the XYL is with me. I've never done anything more than set the radio in the passenger seat, power it from a direct feed from the battery, run coax to the antenna, and use a paddle that sits on the center hump. 73, Jim K9YC On Sat,8/6/2016 10:13 AM, Bill Steffey NY9H wrote: > two weeks ago drove back from Chicago to Pittsburgh area,.,,, > with my kx2 mounted at the bottom of my center console, just above the > handbrake. VW sportwagen , diesel, with little tarheels on the roof rack. > > The KX2 was exciting the KXPA100, which fits nicely under my drivers > seat. > While the AMP has a big heatsink , it has no fan noise..advantage. > My KX3 with the bnc out the side was too wide to fit in the defined spot. > It was previously home to an ICOM 706 head, with the radio in the > rear,,,, > > Using a 3D printer I am trying to make a small bracket for the kx2, to > allow removal of the radio. Still no good result... From n3ikq at yahoo.com Sat Aug 6 14:00:29 2016 From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 18:00:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?b?wr0gzrsgZGlwb2xlcw==?= References: <763707737.2963756.1470506429086.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <763707737.2963756.1470506429086.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Fascinating discussion. Anybody know of any noteworthy books that cover the subject? Especially tube transmitters and their antennas. Given my love for Steam trains, breadboard receivers ?and Ham Radio, I sometimes think I was born about 50 years too late! From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 6 14:05:11 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 14:05:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: References: <201608060045.u760jihe026403@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> <5008AAFE-CFB7-4188-91A5-B8280BA9077C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jimmy, I do *not* recommend using styrofoam. It can generate a lot of static. If you have some of the black anti-static foam, that is OK. With the K3S, there are no leaded parts, so there are no leads to stick into the block anyway. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/6/2016 9:56 AM, James Walker wrote: > Has anyone mentioned the styrofoam method? I?ve always saved a good chunk of styrofoam from an appliance purchase to be used to stick parts in. It works super for capacitors, resistors and similarly shaped parts. It?s a bit tedious to put the parts into the foam block one by one, but it makes identifying and selecting them for installation so much easier during kit construction. Also, they don?t fall out easily. > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 6 14:12:18 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 14:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Turn on KAT500? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91f94f55-3dad-ee07-1439-b10b8e208f62@embarqmail.com> Dave, Check the ACC cable at the K3 end. I suspect one of the wires in the transverter control cable is touching the DE-15HD connector pin 8 (Remote Power ON). 73, Don W3FPR On 8/6/2016 12:26 PM, Dave Fugleberg wrote: > Still trying to sort out my transverter problem - see my first post on that > today. I have only the transverters connected to the K3. When I connect > power to the rig runner, the k3 tried to power on by itself and displays > 'turn on KAT 500'. I don't even have one, but I do have a P3, which is not > connected at this point. > I vaguely recall seeing that message when I first got my P3, and finding a > solution, I don't remember what it was. > From wrcooke at yahoo.com Sat Aug 6 14:24:26 2016 From: wrcooke at yahoo.com (WILLIS COOKE) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 18:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?b?wr0gzrsgZGlwb2xlcw==?= In-Reply-To: <763707737.2963756.1470506429086.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <763707737.2963756.1470506429086.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <763707737.2963756.1470506429086.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1798684552.10084246.1470507866038.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Try any handbook before 1957 when transistors became available.? If you can't find them at the ARRL, try E-BAY as they are only available used.K5EWJ (original 1956 issued call sign) From: rick jones via Elecraft To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ? ? dipoles Fascinating discussion. Anybody know of any noteworthy books that cover the subject? Especially tube transmitters and their antennas. Given my love for Steam trains, breadboard receivers ?and Ham Radio, I sometimes think I was born about 50 years too late! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrcooke at yahoo.com From dmb at lightstream.net Sat Aug 6 14:26:53 2016 From: dmb at lightstream.net (Dale Boresz) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 14:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Online book - Crystal Sets to Sideband Message-ID: <64100.71.66.117.220.1470508013.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> This very nicely done book by Frank W. Harris K0IYE, "Crystal Sets to Sideband", is likely old news to many, however I just learned of it and thought those who enjoy home brewing and/or amateur radio nostalgia might find it enjoyable. You can read the book online via the url below, or download the entire book as a single PDF file. < http://www.wa0itp.com/crystalsetsssb.html > 73, Dale WA8SRA From plambert at qa.com.au Sat Aug 6 17:14:36 2016 From: plambert at qa.com.au (Peter Lambert) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 07:14:36 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 for sale in VK4 Message-ID: <005501d1f027$8a93fc40$9fbbf4c0$@qa.com.au> I have a well optioned, as new KX-3 for sale in Brisbane, AU. Has KXAT3, KXFL3, KXBC3 and KX3-2M fitted. Also has Pro-audio KX31 heatsink for extended TX for digital modes plus Gems products side KS and lexan cover (original elecraft items supplied). Brand new enerloop NiMH LSD batteries and comes with the Pro-audio low RFI power supply. All cables and MH3 microphone included. No paddle (yes, I'm one of those heathens). From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 17:41:18 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 16:41:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio 1 channel only? Message-ID: <5eddde61-ce4d-266a-6f83-7d9904594f36@gmail.com> My K3 has developed a problem... (used to work fine in this regard). When I plug external speakers (stereo) into the speaker out jack on the rear panel, I only get left channel audio. When I plug them instead into the rear headphone jack, I get both channels. This leads me to suspect that the audio amplifier has a right channel problem, or there is an issue with the jack. Any ideas on how difficult it is to fix, and what is involved? Thanks and 73 de Dave, W5SV From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 6 17:55:32 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 17:55:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio 1 channel only? In-Reply-To: <5eddde61-ce4d-266a-6f83-7d9904594f36@gmail.com> References: <5eddde61-ce4d-266a-6f83-7d9904594f36@gmail.com> Message-ID: <662f8df6-dba9-989b-4b49-328ef3676bd9@embarqmail.com> Dave, The headphone audio amplifier and the speaker audio amplifier are different ICs in the K3. I suspect that the speaker amplifier has failed. I suggest that you contact Elecraft support. If you are capable of SMD repair, they can tell you which IC to change. If you are not able to work with SMD, it likely has to go to Watsonville. In either case contact with support is the starting point for either process. Get into the email queue right now, they have a lot of email backlog to sort through on Mondays. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/6/2016 5:41 PM, David F. Reed wrote: > My K3 has developed a problem... (used to work fine in this regard). > > When I plug external speakers (stereo) into the speaker out jack on > the rear panel, I only get left channel audio. > When I plug them instead into the rear headphone jack, I get both > channels. > > This leads me to suspect that the audio amplifier has a right channel > problem, or there is an issue with the jack. > > Any ideas on how difficult it is to fix, and what is involved? > From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 6 18:04:52 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 22:04:52 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio 1 channel only? In-Reply-To: <5eddde61-ce4d-266a-6f83-7d9904594f36@gmail.com> References: <5eddde61-ce4d-266a-6f83-7d9904594f36@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00de01d1f02e$8f454b20$adcfe160$@sbcglobal.net> Dave, Do you have a sub-receiver? Have you checked the SPKRS and SPKR + PH settings in the configuration menu? Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David F. Reed Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 9:41 PM To: Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com; elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio 1 channel only? My K3 has developed a problem... (used to work fine in this regard). When I plug external speakers (stereo) into the speaker out jack on the rear panel, I only get left channel audio. When I plug them instead into the rear headphone jack, I get both channels. This leads me to suspect that the audio amplifier has a right channel problem, or there is an issue with the jack. Any ideas on how difficult it is to fix, and what is involved? Thanks and 73 de Dave, W5SV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sat Aug 6 18:21:49 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 14:21:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] ? ? dipoles Message-ID: <201608062221.u76MLowR030618@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> My 600m inverted-L is something like those shown by Walter: http://www.kl7uw.com/600mINV-L.jpg http://www.kl7uw.com/EMEfrosty.jpg http://www.kl7uw.com/Coil005_1.jpg Quarter-wave at 472-KHz is 248/F = 525 feet (which is too high for me) so 43/525 = 8% of a quarter wave. Two wires for top hat to increased capacitance and three wires in vertical to lower Q for bandwidth (I get about 7-KHz which covers the 472-479 KHz band). Coil is 10-inch diam by 11-inch long with windings 1/4 inch spacing. Form is white plastic food cutting board sawn up. Hardware is all brass. Z = 0.8323 ? j668.5 at 503 KHz from EzNec; Rrad = 0.83 ohms I measured my antenna with loading coil in series with my MFJ-269B antenna analyzer (analyzer grounded to the antenna radial ground post): Z = 18 + j0 at 501 KHz Total Power Radiated: TPR = 100 * (Rrad/18) = 4.6w I run 100w output into coax feed: RF ammeter reads 1.4 A. Amplifier is converted NDB transmitter shown at top of this picture: http://www.kl7uw.com/Rack_closeup_2011.jpg 73, Ed - KL7UW From: Walter Underwood To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ? ? dipoles Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Some of the early ?clothesline? antennas were a large capacity hat on a vertical. If the antenna has one vertical wire connected to all of the top wires, it is probably a capacity-loaded vertical. This Wikimedia image shows a top-loaded vertical. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Amateur_radio_T_antenna_1912.png With longwave communication, a resonant antenna was not practical for most hams, whether horizontal or vertical. I certainly don?t have room for a half-wave for the 600 meter band. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From hlstephenson at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 18:39:40 2016 From: hlstephenson at gmail.com (Howard Stephenson) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 15:39:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio 1 channel only? Message-ID: Hi Dave, Make sure you have CONFIG SPKRS set to 2 73, Howard Stephenson K6IA From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sat Aug 6 18:45:27 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 14:45:27 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit Message-ID: <201608062245.u76MjSJi004406@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Good point not to put static sensitive items on plastic. I leave those in their anti-static envelopes until ready to install them on the ckt board (always anti-static pad in use). My solder iron is anti-static which is helpful, too. I have anti static side cutters and long nose plus ground my jewler's forceps just before picking up a sensitive device. The less handling of those the better your odds of being successful installing them. But saying that, I have accidently dropped them on the carpet and they survived. I have removed sm devices and re-installed them successfully (though odds get worse if you have to do that). Normally, if I have a spare, I just toss the removed item (most are not expensive). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From mike at ki8r.com Sat Aug 6 18:57:20 2016 From: mike at ki8r.com (Michael Murphy) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 18:57:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TXMON ISSUE Message-ID: <0647D8CF-979E-4732-B545-3B0ADCA94280@ki8r.com> While working the NAQP CW contest this afternoon, I noticed that the TX Monitor was not always indicating the correct power or SWR. Also the waveform was not always displaying properly (sometimes is is just a a wavy line instead of the usual waveform). I took the cables off the P3 and the sensor box and reset everything. I also refreshed the firmware in the P3 just because, but still have the same issue. I did put a second wattmeter in-line ahead of the P3 sensor and confirmed that my power out and SWR is ok. This is happening on various bands and antennas. I have not tried phone today, just CW. Anyone seen this before? Mike - KI8R From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 19:18:16 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 18:18:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 audio 1 channel only? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <398f454d-0ea8-6c94-2403-f8a5b14dd64a@gmail.com> Howard, you were right; apparently somewhere along the line, it got set back to 1 from the 2 I had set it to; perhaps when I loaned it to a friend. Anyway,all is well now. 73 de W5SV - Dave On 8/6/16 17:39, Howard Stephenson wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Make sure you have CONFIG SPKRS set to 2 > > 73, > > Howard Stephenson K6IA From w2kj at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 6 21:00:14 2016 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 21:00:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/iPad mini and PSK31 Message-ID: Howdy Gang: I have an iPad mini that I would like to use with my KX3 to operate PSK31/RTTR/CW in my portable ops. I saw on QTH that Pignology made something that would do the job but i can seem to find it on their webpage. I sent an email to them and got a response back indicating the owner was traveling in Europe and wouldn't be back for several days, thus my query to the group. If anyone using an iPad and KX3 for PSK31/RTTY/CW or.....PSK31 only..... I would sure like to know how to go about it, apps, cables, etc. Many thanks for any info. 73, Joe W2KJ From k9jri at mac.com Sat Aug 6 21:17:46 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 01:17:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/iPad mini and PSK31 Message-ID: Joe, I use my iPad to run those modes with my KX3 using he Pignology Pig Remote. The PigRemote carries both the control signals and audio allowing me to run the KX3 on SSB, CW, RTTY & PSK remotely. If you do not need the audio transport for SSB then yo only need the PigTail as all you need is the signaling (CAT) link. Go to the Pignology site and download the manuals for the PigRemote and the PigTail. Also go to the iPad app store and search for Pignology apps. I is kinda expensive but it all works quite well. I even run SSB mobile from the car using my iPhone and PigRemote on 80M SSB. Michael Blake - K9JRI On Aug 06, 2016, at 09:02 PM, Joe W2KJ wrote: Howdy Gang: I have an iPad mini that I would like to use with my KX3 to operate PSK31/RTTR/CW in my portable ops. I saw on QTH that Pignology made something that would do the job but i can seem to find it on their webpage. I sent an email to them and got a response back indicating the owner was traveling in Europe and wouldn't be back for several days, thus my query to the group. If anyone using an iPad and KX3 for PSK31/RTTY/CW or.....PSK31 only..... I would sure like to know how to go about it, apps, cables, etc. Many thanks for any info. 73, Joe W2KJ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From nwgarner at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 21:18:51 2016 From: nwgarner at gmail.com (Nick Garner) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 10:18:51 +0900 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/iPad mini and PSK31 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Joe, The Piglet with HamLog on iOS will do the job. http://pignology.net/piglet/ I'm flying back home from Japan tonight, my inbox is pretty overloaded at the moment, sorry for the delay. 73, Nick N3WG On Aug 7, 2016 10:02 AM, "Joe W2KJ" wrote: > Howdy Gang: > > I have an iPad mini that I would like to use with my KX3 to operate > PSK31/RTTR/CW in my portable ops. > > I saw on QTH that Pignology made something that would do the job but i can > seem to find it on their webpage. > > I sent an email to them and got a response back indicating the owner was > traveling in Europe and wouldn't be back for several days, thus my query to > the group. > > If anyone using an iPad and KX3 for PSK31/RTTY/CW or.....PSK31 only..... I > would sure like to know how to go about it, apps, cables, etc. > > Many thanks for any info. > > 73, Joe W2KJ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nwgarner at gmail.com > From n3ikq at yahoo.com Sat Aug 6 21:42:48 2016 From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 01:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Antenna Question References: <853377923.12343507.1470534168182.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <853377923.12343507.1470534168182.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In terms of efficiency, is there a substantial difference between having a remote tuner at the feedpoint of a vertical vs having a balun at the feedpoint and the tuner in the rig? Assume a less then 50 ft run of RG58 and at least 4 counterpoise being used in a portable situation with a telescoping vertical of TBD height. From thelastdb at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 22:24:29 2016 From: thelastdb at gmail.com (Myron Schaffer) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 20:24:29 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Antenna Question In-Reply-To: <853377923.12343507.1470534168182.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <853377923.12343507.1470534168182.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <853377923.12343507.1470534168182.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57a69bd9.c7276b0a.754ed.2342@mx.google.com> Hello Rick, What you consider efficient. What amount of loss are you willing to tolerate? If you give me the particulars on the installation I can run a model and stick it into SimSmith and get an answer for you if you like. Myron WV0H Printed on Recycled Data From: rick jones via Elecraft From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 6 22:32:49 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 22:32:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Antenna Question In-Reply-To: <853377923.12343507.1470534168182.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <853377923.12343507.1470534168182.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <853377923.12343507.1470534168182.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8cfc5626-6a87-e6e5-df3e-7040bf6543a4@embarqmail.com> Rick, It "all depends" on what you did not communicate. Is the vertical resonant? What frequency? I assume not resonant if a remote tuner might be required. If the SWR is high, then the loss in the RG-58 can be significant if a tuner is not used at that base of the vertical. The loss depends on frequency. TBD height does not add anything to the question regarding efficiency. In other words, there are too many variables to give you an intelligent answer. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/6/2016 9:42 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > In terms of efficiency, is there a substantial difference between having a remote tuner at the feedpoint of a vertical vs having a balun at the feedpoint and the tuner in the rig? Assume a less then 50 ft run of RG58 and at least 4 counterpoise being used in a portable situation with a telescoping vertical of TBD height. > From n3ikq at yahoo.com Sat Aug 6 22:58:39 2016 From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 02:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Antenna Question References: <801891971.12281160.1470538719422.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <801891971.12281160.1470538719422.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?Ok sorry for not providing enough info! Consider this scenario: I have a portable vertical with 4 counterpoise wires that is resonant on 20. Lets say I want to tune the antenna up on 40. I can have a tuner right at the base of the antenna OR I can just use a balun at the base of the antenna and use the built in ATU in the K3. Is there a difference in how much power is getting to the antenna? I assume the tuner at the base is the best option which always makes me doubt the usefulness of having an ATU built in to a rig in terms of getting the most power to the antenna. Am I on the right track? Thanks! Rick From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 23:20:06 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 06:20:06 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Antenna Question In-Reply-To: <801891971.12281160.1470538719422.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <801891971.12281160.1470538719422.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <801891971.12281160.1470538719422.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8b86074a-cd94-e05f-c49a-a9bfe05df6ca@gmail.com> The SWR on the coax when you are using a 20m vertical on 40 would be astronomical. I ran a quick EZNEC analysis of a 1/4 wave 20m vertical with its base on the ground and got an impedance of 6.9 - j348. This comes out to an SWR of about 187:1, which you would measure at the rig as only 18:1 due to the massive 13.3 dB loss in the coax. 100 watts in would give you something like 5 watts to the antenna. Short answer: put the tuner at the base. Of course, using a 20m antenna on 40 is about the worst case imaginable! 73, Vic, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 7 Aug 2016 05:58, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > Ok sorry for not providing enough info! Consider this scenario: I > have a portable vertical with 4 counterpoise wires that is resonant > on 20. Lets say I want to tune the antenna up on 40. I can have a > tuner right at the base of the antenna OR I can just use a balun at > the base of the antenna and use the built in ATU in the K3. Is there > a difference in how much power is getting to the antenna? I assume > the tuner at the base is the best option which always makes me doubt > the usefulness of having an ATU built in to a rig in terms of getting > the most power to the antenna. Am I on the right track? Thanks! Rick From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sat Aug 6 23:20:19 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 19:20:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Elecraft Message-ID: <201608070320.u773KKJr009574@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> I am outfitting my new F250 4x4 diesel pickup (crew cab) with ham gear so very opportune subject. I will be installing a new Alinco DR735T 50w dual-band mobile with the separation kit so the main radio will be installed under the rear seat in a 5-inch high by 10-inch wide lockable storage bin. The front panel mounts with an enclosure-bracket and mic to the lower front dash and 16-foot control cable routed on the floor under the seat console then across to driver side under rear door molding to the metal bin. I am going to install a TNC plus a GPS in the rear window for APRS beaconing while on the road. A dual-band mag-mount antenna will be used. I will run speaker wire to a 4-inch square mobile speaker to be attached on the floor under the radios. Next to the DR735T control panel I will mount the KX3 with two coax run to the back. The KX3 will be powered from one of the four accessory switches Ford calls "Uplifter panel", since current draw is light for running 10w. I am going to install the KXPA-100 (I may add a fan) in the rear enclosure with the Alinco radio - plenty room under two seats. I may also add a 2m linear for running SSB with the KX3-2M. I will drill some large holes for air ventilation in the lockable bin. I plan to run a heavy 12v line from the left battery (truck has dual batteries) to a barrier strip. Each radio will run dual fuses and main power line a 25A fuse at the battery. Access hole will be thru floor under the rear seat where coax will also be run to four antennas: dual-band vertical; 6m Larsen 1/4wave mag-mount vertical; 2m par-angle horizontal loop on short mast in front corner of truck bed and a 3/8-inch stud mount in the other corner of the bed for some HF ham sticks (HF mobile is not my prime mobile operation). 2m-FM is likely my most used mode, with 2m-SSB secondary. I thinking about mounts for antennas on the trailer when parked. We are setting the new truck up for travel with a 5th wheel trailer to be purchased next spring. I will have a new webpage showing the mobile set up after its installed (new DR735T arrives Monday) 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From n3ikq at yahoo.com Sat Aug 6 23:57:40 2016 From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 03:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Antenna Question References: <834030082.12301243.1470542260798.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <834030082.12301243.1470542260798.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> OK a very good reality check when you look at the numbers! So I'm still trying to figure out the usefulness of a built in tuner. Two situations come to mind: You have no feedline and are driving a wire right out of your rig with a counterpoise (KX3 portable operations) OR you are using it to just "touch up" the load on the PA from an antenna that is close to resonance. I would hope that a good Elmer would point out that a built in ATU does nothing more then keep your PA happy but does nothing toward getting out a good signal AND that if a tuner is necessary, a remote one is a better choice. Thanks for your patience everyone while I get these concepts "right". Other forums would not have been as accommodating. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 7 00:56:34 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 00:56:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Antenna Question In-Reply-To: <834030082.12301243.1470542260798.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <834030082.12301243.1470542260798.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <834030082.12301243.1470542260798.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <352b3b8a-d0fa-a662-7fcf-a8f77fa5095b@embarqmail.com> Rick, The usefulness of an internal tuner is highly dependent on the matched line loss of the feedline. If you have a feedline that has a relatively high matched line loss - and you specified 50 feet of RG-58, then the feedline losses will be high in the case of the antenna you propose. A tuner at the base of the antenna will reduce those feedline losses. For feedlines that have only a moderate loss, the internal tuner is much more useful. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/6/2016 11:57 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > OK a very good reality check when you look at the numbers! So I'm still trying to figure out the usefulness of a built in tuner. Two situations come to mind: You have no feedline and are driving a wire right out of your rig with a counterpoise (KX3 portable operations) OR you are using it to just "touch up" the load on the PA from an antenna that is close to resonance. I would hope that a good Elmer would point out that a built in ATU does nothing more then keep your PA happy but does nothing toward getting out a good signal AND that if a tuner is necessary, a remote one is a better choice. Thanks for your patience everyone while I get these concepts "right". Other forums would not have been as accommodating. > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 01:50:35 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 15:50:35 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes Message-ID: <57a6cc2e.4840620a.4ed61.f4c4@mx.google.com> Hi, I have an inverter generator producing S9 noise on 3.5Mhz, and S7 noise on 7Mhz. Higher frequencies are clear. If I were to use a trifilar wound choke on the lead from the generator, what would be the best mix...43, 77 or?.... I can source ferrite cores here in VK, whether I can obtain what I will need is unknown but likely. Failing that, Mouser? I spent a lot of time searching the web but unsure still. If the learned group could help out with advice it will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Gary From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Aug 7 02:23:49 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 23:23:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes In-Reply-To: <57a6cc2e.4840620a.4ed61.f4c4@mx.google.com> References: <57a6cc2e.4840620a.4ed61.f4c4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2ea34e01-3c36-9614-34a6-e0baf63e9f75@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,8/6/2016 10:50 PM, Gary wrote: > I spent a lot of time searching the web but unsure still. k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf See the Choke Cookbook and follow the guidelines for the bands where you have noise, and for coax the size of the power cable. Place the choke as close as possible to the generator. Also study this slide show for a talk I did several years ago about this to our local contest club. http://nccc.cc/pdf/CQP-RFI2013-2.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 02:50:35 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 09:50:35 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Antenna Question In-Reply-To: <834030082.12301243.1470542260798.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <834030082.12301243.1470542260798.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <834030082.12301243.1470542260798.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <52d1d9b6-2305-1056-5cea-3c3cef85db45@gmail.com> A lot depends on the band. For example, your 20m vertical would have an SWR of only 8:1 on 17m. Loss with 50' of RG-58 would be about 2 dB. That's not insignificant, but a lot better than not being able to operate on 17m at all. The built-in K3 tuner would have no trouble matching it. I am actually using a 20m dipole on 40. But my feedline is short (34') and it is 600-ohm open wire line. SWR is something like 85:1, and I am living with a loss of about 3 dB because it is a compromise solution that gets me a 7-band antenna in limited space. 73, Vic, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 7 Aug 2016 06:57, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > OK a very good reality check when you look at the numbers! So I'm > still trying to figure out the usefulness of a built in tuner. Two > situations come to mind: You have no feedline and are driving a wire > right out of your rig with a counterpoise (KX3 portable operations) > OR you are using it to just "touch up" the load on the PA from an > antenna that is close to resonance. I would hope that a good Elmer > would point out that a built in ATU does nothing more then keep your > PA happy but does nothing toward getting out a good signal AND that > if a tuner is necessary, a remote one is a better choice. Thanks for > your patience everyone while I get these concepts "right". Other > forums would not have been as accommodating. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > k2vco.vic at gmail.com > From david at violinman.co.uk Sun Aug 7 03:05:29 2016 From: david at violinman.co.uk (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 08:05:29 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Annecke ATU wanted Message-ID: <001501d1f07a$1511cee0$3f356ca0$@violinman.co.uk> I'm looking for an Annecke balanced (symmetrical) ATU as much for its beauty as its functionality! I know they're rare but does anyone know of one that might be for sale? And, are we really making progress? The charger for the KX2 battery is almost as big as the KX2 itself. 73 David G4CWB From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Aug 7 04:06:38 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 01:06:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Antenna Question In-Reply-To: <801891971.12281160.1470538719422.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <801891971.12281160.1470538719422.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <801891971.12281160.1470538719422.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <10ae99d2-7823-27fe-466f-dbfe367b4fb8@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,8/6/2016 7:58 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > Ok sorry for not providing enough info! Consider this scenario: I have a portable vertical with 4 counterpoise wires that is resonant on 20. Lets say I want to tune the antenna up on 40. Rick, You're asking the wrong questions. The best solution to your problem involves changing the antenna! When you want to operate on 40 (or 30), improvise a mechanical solution to make the antenna longer. Study the ARRL Antenna Book and the ARRL Handbook so that you better understand how antennas work. Another fundamental principle -- the smaller the coax, the greater the loss. The SHORTER the coax, the less the loss. RG58 is BAD, because it's small. RG8X is better, because it's bigger. RG8 is even better, because it's even bigger. And, as Wayne has observed, we don't need "built" or "purchased" antennas for portable/backpacking use. Throw a wire into a tree, or support it vertically, connect it to the center conductor of the coax connector at the output of the rig. Try to get it close to a quarter wave, but don't lose sleep if it isn't real close. Connect one or more wires to the chassis of the rig to act as a counterpoise. Don't know what that word means? Look in the ARRL Handbook. Try to make those wires close to a quarter wave. Don't lose sleep if they aren't. Fire up the radio, activate the tuner, make it tune, and call CQ. We don't need no stinkin' coax! The great small club of which I was a member in Chicago hosted a QRP night every year. We set up in a "forest preserve" -- local park -- and everyone brought their rig and antennas. I brought a K2, battery, a couple of lengths of #18 wire, and a telescoping fiberglass pole. I taped one wire to the pole, shoved it into space between the parts of a picnic table so that it was somewhere between horizontal and vertical, and connected it to the center of the coax connector on the K2. I connected another length of wire to the chassis, and laid it on some weeds. I fired up on 30M and made a half dozen QSOs, AND broke a pileup from a station in the Caribbean. 73, Jim K9YC From dave at nk7z.net Sun Aug 7 06:58:15 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 03:58:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes In-Reply-To: <57a6cc2e.4840620a.4ed61.f4c4@mx.google.com> References: <57a6cc2e.4840620a.4ed61.f4c4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1470567495.4961.4.camel@nk7z.net> On Sun, 2016-08-07 at 15:50 +1000, Gary wrote: > Hi, > I have an inverter generator producing S9 noise on 3.5Mhz, and S7 > noise on 7Mhz. Higher frequencies are clear. > If I were to use a trifilar wound choke on the lead from the > generator, what would be the best mix...43, 77 or?.... > I can source ferrite cores here in VK, whether I can obtain what I > will need is unknown but likely. Failing that, Mouser? > I spent a lot of time searching the web but unsure still. > If the learned group could help out with advice it will be greatly > appreciated. >? Hello Gary, I have had good luck using mix31 material in the FT-240-31 configuration. ? See: http://www.fair-rite.com/design-tools/materials/ For an explanation of what each mix does, also see: http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf and: http://audiosystemsgroup.com/SAC0305Ferrites.pdf and: http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/chokes/ for more information. -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From wa8jxm at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 08:40:05 2016 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 08:40:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Antenna Question In-Reply-To: <834030082.12301243.1470542260798.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <834030082.12301243.1470542260798.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <834030082.12301243.1470542260798.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rick, You have been getting very good answers. You are right, the internal ATU helps match the rig to the antenna and/or loss is negligible when you feed the antenna directly or with low loss line (open wire). However, I have operated with bad setups and still made contacts. I actually used a low 80m inverted vee (20' at center, 6' at the ends) on 160 and made a few digital contacts. I figure that antenna was 1% efficient and 99% loss! And I used a similar 40m inverted vee on 30m and managed to work a VK station via JT-65. IDK maybe that setup was 25% efficient. A modern rig with an ATU makes the rig more like the boatanchors of the past that were more flexible in what they load. My old Viking II will load just about anything and I tried some pretty terrible pieces of wire for antennas. The only thing it ever failed to load was a 3 ft metal fishing pole....on 160m! 73, Ken WA8JXM On 8/6/16 11:57 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > OK a very good reality check when you look at the numbers! So I'm still trying to figure out the usefulness of a built in tuner. Two situations come to mind: You have no feedline and are driving a wire right out of your rig with a counterpoise (KX3 portable operations) OR you are using it to just "touch up" the load on the PA from an antenna that is close to resonance. I would hope that a good Elmer would point out that a built in ATU does nothing more then keep your PA happy but does nothing toward getting out a good signal AND that if a tuner is necessary, a remote one is a better choice. Thanks for your patience everyone while I get these concepts "right". Other forums would not have been as accommodating. From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 08:50:10 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 07:50:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] web site down? Message-ID: <80353b1d-5395-f8e0-67a5-ce6bf99d7ec3@gmail.com> I went this morning to try to see if there were any microcode updates, and at first, I could only get the front page, so I thought I'd try later... when I did, not even that would come up. Is anyone else having the same problem? Know what's going on? Thanks & 73 de W5SV - Dave From k6xk at ncn.net Sun Aug 7 08:57:56 2016 From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 07:57:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] web site down? In-Reply-To: <80353b1d-5395-f8e0-67a5-ce6bf99d7ec3@gmail.com> References: <80353b1d-5395-f8e0-67a5-ce6bf99d7ec3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6A7889174B734EFF8403537F996447D6@ROYKOEPPEHP> Yas, Down here too. 73, Roy K6XK From john at kk9a.com Sun Aug 7 11:32:50 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:32:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Antenna Question Message-ID: <000001d1f0c0$f8333e70$e899bb50$@com> That is a huge mismatch. Assuming that the portable 20m vertical is easily assessable I would just clip on an inductor at the base to make it resonant on 40m. If you have elevated radials you would have to put one there also or just lay the radials on the ground. John KK9A [Elecraft] [OT] Antenna Question rick jones n3ikq Sat Aug 6 22:58:39 EDT 2016 Ok sorry for not providing enough info! Consider this scenario: I have a portable vertical with 4 counterpoise wires that is resonant on 20. Lets say I want to tune the antenna up on 40. I can have a tuner right at the base of the antenna OR I can just use a balun at the base of the antenna and use the built in ATU in the K3. Is there a difference in how much power is getting to the antenna? I assume the tuner at the base is the best option which always makes me doubt the usefulness of having an ATU built in to a rig in terms of getting the most power to the antenna. Am I on the right track? Thanks! Rick From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Aug 7 11:33:12 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 08:33:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Annecke ATU wanted In-Reply-To: <001501d1f07a$1511cee0$3f356ca0$@violinman.co.uk> References: <001501d1f07a$1511cee0$3f356ca0$@violinman.co.uk> Message-ID: Ah, but how many carry the charger while hiking, David? ;-) Phil W7OX On 8/7/16 12:05 AM, David Andrews wrote: > I'm looking for an Annecke balanced (symmetrical) ATU as much for its beauty > as its functionality! I know they're rare but does anyone know of one that > might be for sale? And, are we really making progress? The charger for the > KX2 battery is almost as big as the KX2 itself. > > 73 > > David G4CWB From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 7 11:42:16 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:42:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Antenna Question In-Reply-To: <000001d1f0c0$f8333e70$e899bb50$@com> References: <000001d1f0c0$f8333e70$e899bb50$@com> Message-ID: <4ad806e2-9514-709a-d8ed-73a1e5fbd94f@embarqmail.com> Clipping a 17 foot wire to the top may be easier than adding an inductor. Add at least one 33 foot counterpoise wire - or extend one of the 20 meter counterpoise wires with another clip-on 17 foot wire. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/7/2016 11:32 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > That is a huge mismatch. Assuming that the portable 20m vertical is easily > assessable I would just clip on an inductor at the base to make it resonant > on 40m. If you have elevated radials you would have to put one there also > or just lay the radials on the ground. > > John KK9A > > [Elecraft] [OT] Antenna Question > > rick jones n3ikq > Sat Aug 6 22:58:39 EDT 2016 > > Ok sorry for not providing enough info! Consider this scenario: I have a > portable vertical with 4 counterpoise wires that is resonant on 20. Lets say > I want to tune the antenna up on 40. I can have a tuner right at the base of > the antenna OR I can just use a balun at the base of the antenna and use the > built in ATU in the K3. Is there a difference in how much power is getting > to the antenna? I assume the tuner at the base is the best option which > always makes me doubt the usefulness of having an ATU built in to a rig in > terms of getting the most power to the antenna. Am I on the right track? > Thanks! Rick > From cautery at montac.com Sun Aug 7 11:57:57 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 10:57:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] web site down? In-Reply-To: <6A7889174B734EFF8403537F996447D6@ROYKOEPPEHP> References: <80353b1d-5395-f8e0-67a5-ce6bf99d7ec3@gmail.com> <6A7889174B734EFF8403537F996447D6@ROYKOEPPEHP> Message-ID: Down here too as of 1600 Z. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/7/2016 7:57 AM, Roy Koeppe wrote: > Yas, > Down here too. > > 73, Roy K6XK > > From wham727 at aol.com Sun Aug 7 12:30:48 2016 From: wham727 at aol.com (wham727 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:30:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] web site down? In-Reply-To: <80353b1d-5395-f8e0-67a5-ce6bf99d7ec3@gmail.com> References: <80353b1d-5395-f8e0-67a5-ce6bf99d7ec3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <70044D0B-7D6A-4755-A462-2B2A868134A1@aol.com> It must be a regional issue again with Verizon (has happened before). Working fine here with AT&T U-Verse in Dallas. 73, Bill-AK5X > On Aug 7, 2016, at 7:50 AM, David F. Reed wrote: > > I went this morning to try to see if there were any microcode updates, and at first, I could only get the front page, so I thought I'd try later... when I did, not even that would come up. > > Is anyone else having the same problem? Know what's going on? > > Thanks & 73 de W5SV - Dave > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wham727 at aol.com From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 12:43:11 2016 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 10:43:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] web site down? Message-ID: Working OK in SW Montana at 10:45 AM From groll064 at planet.nl Sun Aug 7 12:48:26 2016 From: groll064 at planet.nl (Dick Grolleman) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 18:48:26 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] web site down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not working in Europe. 73 de Dick PA3FQA -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Rose Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 6:43 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] web site down? Working OK in SW Montana at 10:45 AM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to groll064 at planet.nl From k9ztv at socket.net Sun Aug 7 12:51:19 2016 From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:51:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] web site down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <358eac15-dd37-4773-c561-6a1c9459f632@socket.net> Back up in Missouri. From kevinr at coho.net Sun Aug 7 13:59:29 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 10:59:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: Propagation has improved slightly over the week. The sun has been sending us plenty of ions without a lot of sunspots. The SFU has risen to 83. Hopefully this will be enough to wake up 20 meters again for the first net. 40 meters has been OK but more local than normal. Maybe that will change too. The elk are doing well; I have been creating bedding spots for them over the last few years which they enjoy. There's nothing like walking through the woods and having four or five elk just appear around to you. They make much less noise than do deer which is odd because they are much bigger. Good thing they don't mind my presence because those large antlers are intimidating. Please join us on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From wd4elg at triad.rr.com Sun Aug 7 14:13:56 2016 From: wd4elg at triad.rr.com (Mark Lunday) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 14:13:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] web site down? In-Reply-To: References: <80353b1d-5395-f8e0-67a5-ce6bf99d7ec3@gmail.com> <6A7889174B734EFF8403537F996447D6@ROYKOEPPEHP> Message-ID: <17e301d1f0d7$76b45660$641d0320$@rr.com> Working here. I am using Norton for my DNS, and it shows an IP address of 50.31.74.52 If you can't get to http://www.elecraft.com, try http://50.31.74.52 Mark Lunday, WD4ELG Greensboro, NC FM06be wd4elg at arrl.net http://wd4elg.blogspot.com From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 14:20:43 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 18:20:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] web site down? In-Reply-To: <17e301d1f0d7$76b45660$641d0320$@rr.com> References: <80353b1d-5395-f8e0-67a5-ce6bf99d7ec3@gmail.com> <6A7889174B734EFF8403537F996447D6@ROYKOEPPEHP> <17e301d1f0d7$76b45660$641d0320$@rr.com> Message-ID: <57A77BFB.9040307@gmail.com> While it was out earlier, I find it to be back up now (18:20 Z) --Dave, W5SV On 8/7/2016 18:13, Mark Lunday wrote: > Working here. > > I am using Norton for my DNS, and it shows an IP address of 50.31.74.52 > > If you can't get to http://www.elecraft.com, try http://50.31.74.52 > > Mark Lunday, WD4ELG > Greensboro, NC FM06be > wd4elg at arrl.net > http://wd4elg.blogspot.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w5sv.dave at gmail.com From groll064 at planet.nl Sun Aug 7 14:21:28 2016 From: groll064 at planet.nl (Dick Grolleman) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 20:21:28 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] web site down? In-Reply-To: <17e301d1f0d7$76b45660$641d0320$@rr.com> References: <80353b1d-5395-f8e0-67a5-ce6bf99d7ec3@gmail.com> <6A7889174B734EFF8403537F996447D6@ROYKOEPPEHP> <17e301d1f0d7$76b45660$641d0320$@rr.com> Message-ID: Hi All, The website is working again, but the FTP server is not. I wanted to upgrade to the newest firmware for my K3, but I can not get the newest version. 73 de Dick PA3FQA -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Mark Lunday Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 8:13 PM To: 'Clay Autery' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] web site down? Working here. I am using Norton for my DNS, and it shows an IP address of 50.31.74.52 If you can't get to http://www.elecraft.com, try http://50.31.74.52 Mark Lunday, WD4ELG Greensboro, NC FM06be wd4elg at arrl.net http://wd4elg.blogspot.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to groll064 at planet.nl From hlstephenson at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 14:34:03 2016 From: hlstephenson at gmail.com (Howard Stephenson) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:34:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] web site down? Message-ID: It's now up and running here in Watsonville If you are still having issues after Monday 8 AM PDT please send a note to k3suport at elecraft.com and we'll get our IT team to looking into the issue. 73, Howard Stephenson K6IA From ab2tc at arrl.net Sun Aug 7 14:40:24 2016 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:40:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] web site down? In-Reply-To: References: <80353b1d-5395-f8e0-67a5-ce6bf99d7ec3@gmail.com> <6A7889174B734EFF8403537F996447D6@ROYKOEPPEHP> <17e301d1f0d7$76b45660$641d0320$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1470595224106-7621327.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Exactly the same here in CNY, HTTP server is back after a brief outage, FTP is not. This is the exact opposite of what happened when we had the long, Verizon FIOS only, outage a while ago. Hopefully these findings will help somebody diagnosing the problem. AB2TC - Knut Dick Grolleman wrote > Hi All, > > The website is working again, but the FTP server is not. I wanted to > upgrade > to the newest firmware for my K3, but I can not get the newest version. > > 73 de Dick PA3FQA > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/web-site-down-tp7621312p7621327.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Aug 7 14:59:14 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 14:59:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] web site down? Message-ID: <57A78502.32517.1245BBA2@Gary.ka1j.com> FWIW, the site is fine in Connecticut. 73, Gary KA1J From cautery at montac.com Sun Aug 7 15:32:16 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 14:32:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] web site down? In-Reply-To: <57A78502.32517.1245BBA2@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <57A78502.32517.1245BBA2@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: HTTP is back up, but FTP is dead... no DNS or direct to IP address. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/7/2016 1:59 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > FWIW, the site is fine in Connecticut. > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From n8noe at arrl.net Sun Aug 7 15:43:57 2016 From: n8noe at arrl.net (Jeffrey M. Swiger) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 15:43:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/iPad mini and PSK31 Message-ID: Hey All, First Post Ever, but Been running the KX3/PX3 and iPad for Some time. I have the Piglet and do use it from time to time also. The KX3 and iPad will do fine just the 2 of them together. I have found to Turn MIC BUTTON off, and MIC BIAS off. This works. Still need to tweak my VOX levels. Also Run iPad WSPR the Same way. Jeff-N8NOE From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Sun Aug 7 15:51:15 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 12:51:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Macro and Text Message Utility Message-ID: <1470599475580-7621331.post@n2.nabble.com> PX3 Owners, I'm looking for beta testers to test a new (free) PC-based utility to manage PX3 macros and text messages. First and foremost, I'm looking to test the concept. Of course, I'm also looking to flesh out bugs. A zip file containing the utility, release notes and help file can be found here, http://wickedstone.com/KF5WBO/PX3/PX3_software.htm Simply download and unzip the file to the desired directory. Refer to Help. The Utility works with PX3 firmware 1.45 or later. Please E-mail me privately if you're interested. 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-Macro-and-Text-Message-Utility-tp7621331.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Aug 7 17:50:01 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 21:50:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking Message-ID: I must have done something I didn?t mean to do. Just put up a 30 meter antenna today. It works fine. Until today I had the K3 band map set to include only 80-40-20-15-10. The KPA500 tracked it automatically perfectly. I then went into the config menu for band map and set 30 meters to IN. The K3 works perfectly ? band switching gives me, in MHz, 3.5 ? 7.0 ? 10.1 ? 14.0 ? 21.0 ? 28.0 and then cycles back to 3.5 That is also exactly what I expected. But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly. For 80 I get 80. For 40 on the K3 I get 80 on the KPA500. For 30 on the K3 I get 5.3MHz on the KPA500. For 20 I get 20. For 15 I get 15. And for 10 on the K3 I get 24.9 MHz on the KPA500. Interestingly, the ?Band? buttons on the KPA500 have the same errors. In MHz, pressing 1.8 yields 5.3. 3.5 is OK. Pressing 7.0 produces 3.5. 14 and 21 are OK. And pressing 28 produces 24.9. The frequency sampling, however, works perfectly. A single dit on any band switches the KPA500 to the correct band, as defined by the K3. The cables are all Elecraft issue. They are all connected correctly ? witness that everything worked perfectly, on every band, until I added 30M into the K3?s band map. Because both the K3 auto tracking feature and the Band buttons on the KPA500 yield the same errors, I think I must have messed up something in the amp. I have, by the way, already RdTFM. Any ideas about what I might have done? Equally useful would be, how do I undo it? Many thanks for whatever anyone can suggest . . . Ted, KN1CBR From ka5s at earthlink.net Sun Aug 7 17:54:23 2016 From: ka5s at earthlink.net (Cortland Richmond) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 17:54:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57A7AE0F.50108@earthlink.net> I had a similar problem in 2005 when noise from a 2kW Honda got into my RV on FD. Lacking any ferrites etc I borrowed a plastic "milk bottle box" and wound about 30 feet of extension cord around it., which worked well as a temporary fix. Cortland ka5s On 8/7/2016 2:21 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > I have an inverter generator producing S9 noise on 3.5Mhz, and S7 noise on 7Mhz. Higher frequencies are clear. > If I were to use a trifilar wound choke on the lead from the generator, what would be the best mix...43, 77 or?.... From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Sun Aug 7 18:05:35 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 22:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes In-Reply-To: <57A7AE0F.50108@earthlink.net> References: <57A7AE0F.50108@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1936050726.10489589.1470607536036.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Check Jim's tutorial on RFI.? You will need some clip on #31 cable ferrites, I think..... Mel, K6KBE From: Cortland Richmond To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes I had a similar problem in 2005 when noise from a 2kW Honda got into my RV on FD.? Lacking any ferrites etc I borrowed a plastic "milk bottle box" and wound about 30 feet of extension cord around it., which worked well as a temporary fix. Cortland ka5s On 8/7/2016 2:21 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > I have an inverter generator producing S9 noise on 3.5Mhz, and S7 noise on 7Mhz. Higher frequencies are clear. > If I were to use a trifilar wound choke on the lead from the generator, what would be the best mix...43, 77 or?.... ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From cf at cfcorp.com Sun Aug 7 18:19:56 2016 From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 15:19:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <011701d1f0f9$d431c710$7c955530$@com> "But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly." ...it's by design. In the US the maximum power on 30m is 200W PEP. http://www.arrl.org/frequency-allocations 73, Cliff K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 2:50 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking I must have done something I didn?t mean to do. Just put up a 30 meter antenna today. It works fine. Until today I had the K3 band map set to include only 80-40-20-15-10. The KPA500 tracked it automatically perfectly. I then went into the config menu for band map and set 30 meters to IN. The K3 works perfectly ? band switching gives me, in MHz, 3.5 ? 7.0 ? 10.1 ? 14.0 ? 21.0 ? 28.0 and then cycles back to 3.5 That is also exactly what I expected. But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly. For 80 I get 80. For 40 on the K3 I get 80 on the KPA500. For 30 on the K3 I get 5.3MHz on the KPA500. For 20 I get 20. For 15 I get 15. And for 10 on the K3 I get 24.9 MHz on the KPA500. Interestingly, the ?Band? buttons on the KPA500 have the same errors. In MHz, pressing 1.8 yields 5.3. 3.5 is OK. Pressing 7.0 produces 3.5. 14 and 21 are OK. And pressing 28 produces 24.9. The frequency sampling, however, works perfectly. A single dit on any band switches the KPA500 to the correct band, as defined by the K3. The cables are all Elecraft issue. They are all connected correctly ? witness that everything worked perfectly, on every band, until I added 30M into the K3?s band map. Because both the K3 auto tracking feature and the Band buttons on the KPA500 yield the same errors, I think I must have messed up something in the amp. I have, by the way, already RdTFM. Any ideas about what I might have done? Equally useful would be, how do I undo it? Many thanks for whatever anyone can suggest . . . Ted, KN1CBR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cf at cfcorp.com From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Aug 7 18:42:20 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 22:42:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking In-Reply-To: <011701d1f0f9$d431c710$7c955530$@com> References: <011701d1f0f9$d431c710$7c955530$@com> Message-ID: <2A118D35-DB23-43A1-8EE0-B315BB79A2AE@law.du.edu> Thanks, Cliff. I am aware of the 30M 200W power limitation, but I don?t see why adding 30M to the K3?s Band Map would cause 40 meters and 10 meters to be in error. When the K3 is at 7.0 MHz the KPA500 switches to 3.5. When the K3 is at 28.0 MHz the KPA500 switches to 24.9. That never happened before today. Moreover the amp correctly senses 30M on the first dit and switches correctly, and seems very happy producing 200W or more on 30M. Brian, K3KO, suggested disconnecting the cable from the amp to see what the band buttons on the amp do. They work correctly with the cable disconnected, and they work correctly with the cable connected and the K3?s power off. 7.0 switches to 7.0, 28 switches to 28, and so forth. So what does that mean ? that the fault lies in the K3? But before adding 30M to the Band map in the K3 changing bands worked for all of 80, 40, 20, 15, and 10 ? that is, changing the K3 band changed the KPA500 band correctly. Now it doesn?t work for 40 and 10, and 30; but it does for 80, 20 and 15. Since the only change that occurred was adding 30M to the band map, does that mean something is fouled up in the configuration? I did recycle the power to both the K3 and the KPA500 after making the configuration change. One other fact ? pressing the 10MHz band button on the KPA500 correctly switches the K3 to 10MHz ? but places the amp on 5.3 MHz. The amp then switches to 10 MHz with the first transmitted dit. But pressing the 10MHz band button on the amp when the K3 power is off changes the amp to 10 MHz. Appreciative and still perplexed, Ted, KN1CBR Edward A. Dauer, LL.B. M.P.H. Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law University of Denver On 8/7/16, 4:19 PM, "Cliff Frescura" wrote: "But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly." ...it's by design. In the US the maximum power on 30m is 200W PEP. http://www.arrl.org/frequency-allocations 73, Cliff K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 2:50 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking I must have done something I didn?t mean to do. Just put up a 30 meter antenna today. It works fine. Until today I had the K3 band map set to include only 80-40-20-15-10. The KPA500 tracked it automatically perfectly. I then went into the config menu for band map and set 30 meters to IN. The K3 works perfectly ? band switching gives me, in MHz, 3.5 ? 7.0 ? 10.1 ? 14.0 ? 21.0 ? 28.0 and then cycles back to 3.5 That is also exactly what I expected. But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly. For 80 I get 80. For 40 on the K3 I get 80 on the KPA500. For 30 on the K3 I get 5.3MHz on the KPA500. For 20 I get 20. For 15 I get 15. And for 10 on the K3 I get 24.9 MHz on the KPA500. Interestingly, the ?Band? buttons on the KPA500 have the same errors. In MHz, pressing 1.8 yields 5.3. 3.5 is OK. Pressing 7.0 produces 3.5. 14 and 21 are OK. And pressing 28 produces 24.9. The frequency sampling, however, works perfectly. A single dit on any band switches the KPA500 to the correct band, as defined by the K3. The cables are all Elecraft issue. They are all connected correctly ? witness that everything worked perfectly, on every band, until I added 30M into the K3?s band map. Because both the K3 auto tracking feature and the Band buttons on the KPA500 yield the same errors, I think I must have messed up something in the amp. I have, by the way, already RdTFM. Any ideas about what I might have done? Equally useful would be, how do I undo it? Many thanks for whatever anyone can suggest . . . Ted, KN1CBR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cf at cfcorp.com From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 7 18:52:49 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 22:52:49 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking In-Reply-To: <011701d1f0f9$d431c710$7c955530$@com> References: <011701d1f0f9$d431c710$7c955530$@com> Message-ID: <000001d1f0fe$6d1028b0$47307a10$@sbcglobal.net> My K3S and KPA500 track correctly on 30 meters. If I select 30 meters from the KPA500 front panel both go to 30 meters. When I select 30 meters on the K3S the KPA500 goes to 30. I routinely use the KPA500 to run 200 Watts on 30. This was also true for the K3 I had before the K3S. Check your cables again connecting the K3 aux port to the KPA500. Remove them and reset them and see if that changes anything. I had a similar issue and that solved the problem. I don't know why that solved the problem, but the issue has not reoccurred. Also, after you added 30 to the band map, did you turn the K3 off then back on as suggested in the manual when making changes in the menu? Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cliff Frescura Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 10:20 PM To: 'Dauer, Edward' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking "But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly." ...it's by design. In the US the maximum power on 30m is 200W PEP. http://www.arrl.org/frequency-allocations 73, Cliff K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 2:50 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking I must have done something I didn?t mean to do. Just put up a 30 meter antenna today. It works fine. Until today I had the K3 band map set to include only 80-40-20-15-10. The KPA500 tracked it automatically perfectly. I then went into the config menu for band map and set 30 meters to IN. The K3 works perfectly ? band switching gives me, in MHz, 3.5 ? 7.0 ? 10.1 ? 14.0 ? 21.0 ? 28.0 and then cycles back to 3.5 That is also exactly what I expected. But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly. For 80 I get 80. For 40 on the K3 I get 80 on the KPA500. For 30 on the K3 I get 5.3MHz on the KPA500. For 20 I get 20. For 15 I get 15. And for 10 on the K3 I get 24.9 MHz on the KPA500. Interestingly, the ?Band? buttons on the KPA500 have the same errors. In MHz, pressing 1.8 yields 5.3. 3.5 is OK. Pressing 7.0 produces 3.5. 14 and 21 are OK. And pressing 28 produces 24.9. The frequency sampling, however, works perfectly. A single dit on any band switches the KPA500 to the correct band, as defined by the K3. The cables are all Elecraft issue. They are all connected correctly ? witness that everything worked perfectly, on every band, until I added 30M into the K3?s band map. Because both the K3 auto tracking feature and the Band buttons on the KPA500 yield the same errors, I think I must have messed up something in the amp. I have, by the way, already RdTFM. Any ideas about what I might have done? Equally useful would be, how do I undo it? Many thanks for whatever anyone can suggest . . . Ted, KN1CBR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cf at cfcorp.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 7 19:04:18 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 23:04:18 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking In-Reply-To: <2A118D35-DB23-43A1-8EE0-B315BB79A2AE@law.du.edu> References: <011701d1f0f9$d431c710$7c955530$@com> <2A118D35-DB23-43A1-8EE0-B315BB79A2AE@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <000101d1f100$07574970$1605dc50$@sbcglobal.net> Ted, Our e-mails crossed. You've cycled both units. I would still try disconnecting the aux cable and resetting it at both ends. Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 10:42 PM To: Cliff Frescura ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net; brian Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking Thanks, Cliff. I am aware of the 30M 200W power limitation, but I don?t see why adding 30M to the K3?s Band Map would cause 40 meters and 10 meters to be in error. When the K3 is at 7.0 MHz the KPA500 switches to 3.5. When the K3 is at 28.0 MHz the KPA500 switches to 24.9. That never happened before today. Moreover the amp correctly senses 30M on the first dit and switches correctly, and seems very happy producing 200W or more on 30M. Brian, K3KO, suggested disconnecting the cable from the amp to see what the band buttons on the amp do. They work correctly with the cable disconnected, and they work correctly with the cable connected and the K3?s power off. 7.0 switches to 7.0, 28 switches to 28, and so forth. So what does that mean ? that the fault lies in the K3? But before adding 30M to the Band map in the K3 changing bands worked for all of 80, 40, 20, 15, and 10 ? that is, changing the K3 band changed the KPA500 band correctly. Now it doesn?t work for 40 and 10, and 30; but it does for 80, 20 and 15. Since the only change that occurred was adding 30M to the band map, does that mean something is fouled up in the configuration? I did recycle the power to both the K3 and the KPA500 after making the configuration change. One other fact ? pressing the 10MHz band button on the KPA500 correctly switches the K3 to 10MHz ? but places the amp on 5.3 MHz. The amp then switches to 10 MHz with the first transmitted dit. But pressing the 10MHz band button on the amp when the K3 power is off changes the amp to 10 MHz. Appreciative and still perplexed, Ted, KN1CBR Edward A. Dauer, LL.B. M.P.H. Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law University of Denver On 8/7/16, 4:19 PM, "Cliff Frescura" wrote: "But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly." ...it's by design. In the US the maximum power on 30m is 200W PEP. http://www.arrl.org/frequency-allocations 73, Cliff K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 2:50 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking I must have done something I didn?t mean to do. Just put up a 30 meter antenna today. It works fine. Until today I had the K3 band map set to include only 80-40-20-15-10. The KPA500 tracked it automatically perfectly. I then went into the config menu for band map and set 30 meters to IN. The K3 works perfectly ? band switching gives me, in MHz, 3.5 ? 7.0 ? 10.1 ? 14.0 ? 21.0 ? 28.0 and then cycles back to 3.5 That is also exactly what I expected. But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly. For 80 I get 80. For 40 on the K3 I get 80 on the KPA500. For 30 on the K3 I get 5.3MHz on the KPA500. For 20 I get 20. For 15 I get 15. And for 10 on the K3 I get 24.9 MHz on the KPA500. Interestingly, the ?Band? buttons on the KPA500 have the same errors. In MHz, pressing 1.8 yields 5.3. 3.5 is OK. Pressing 7.0 produces 3.5. 14 and 21 are OK. And pressing 28 produces 24.9. The frequency sampling, however, works perfectly. A single dit on any band switches the KPA500 to the correct band, as defined by the K3. The cables are all Elecraft issue. They are all connected correctly ? witness that everything worked perfectly, on every band, until I added 30M into the K3?s band map. Because both the K3 auto tracking feature and the Band buttons on the KPA500 yield the same errors, I think I must have messed up something in the amp. I have, by the way, already RdTFM. Any ideas about what I might have done? Equally useful would be, how do I undo it? Many thanks for whatever anyone can suggest . . . Ted, KN1CBR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cf at cfcorp.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 7 19:36:48 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 19:36:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88e5ec40-409a-95cf-d2d0-60329874287f@embarqmail.com> Ted, Do you have any other device (non-Elecraft) set up to read the K3 Band Data lines? If so, that may be part of the problem - you may have to add diodes to the band data lines on that device. There is another subtle point about when the KPA500 changes bands. Even though it monitors the band data lines, it does not act on them immediately, it waits for a transmission before changing bands. The details are a bit fuzzy to me right now, but Jack Brindle explained it several years ago and it make sense. 73, Don w3FPR On 8/7/2016 5:50 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > I must have done something I didn?t mean to do. > > Just put up a 30 meter antenna today. It works fine. Until today I had the K3 band map set to include only 80-40-20-15-10. The KPA500 tracked it automatically perfectly. I then went into the config menu for band map and set 30 meters to IN. The K3 works perfectly ? band switching gives me, in MHz, 3.5 ? 7.0 ? 10.1 ? 14.0 ? 21.0 ? 28.0 and then cycles back to 3.5 That is also exactly what I expected. > > But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly. For 80 I get 80. For 40 on the K3 I get 80 on the KPA500. For 30 on the K3 I get 5.3MHz on the KPA500. For 20 I get 20. For 15 I get 15. And for 10 on the K3 I get 24.9 MHz on the KPA500. > > Interestingly, the ?Band? buttons on the KPA500 have the same errors. In MHz, pressing 1.8 yields 5.3. 3.5 is OK. Pressing 7.0 produces 3.5. 14 and 21 are OK. And pressing 28 produces 24.9. > > The frequency sampling, however, works perfectly. A single dit on any band switches the KPA500 to the correct band, as defined by the K3. > > From jtmiller47 at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 19:51:09 2016 From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 19:51:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking In-Reply-To: <000001d1f0fe$6d1028b0$47307a10$@sbcglobal.net> References: <011701d1f0f9$d431c710$7c955530$@com> <000001d1f0fe$6d1028b0$47307a10$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <07B2EDA1-6E71-43D1-B74A-FE81007AD707@gmail.com> 5.3mhz is the indication at 60m has been selected. Usually means something is wrong other than the cable since all lines must be high or low. I forget which. Jim ab3cv On Aug 7, 2016, at 6:52 PM, Mark E. Musick wrote: My K3S and KPA500 track correctly on 30 meters. If I select 30 meters from the KPA500 front panel both go to 30 meters. When I select 30 meters on the K3S the KPA500 goes to 30. I routinely use the KPA500 to run 200 Watts on 30. This was also true for the K3 I had before the K3S. Check your cables again connecting the K3 aux port to the KPA500. Remove them and reset them and see if that changes anything. I had a similar issue and that solved the problem. I don't know why that solved the problem, but the issue has not reoccurred. Also, after you added 30 to the band map, did you turn the K3 off then back on as suggested in the manual when making changes in the menu? Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cliff Frescura Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 10:20 PM To: 'Dauer, Edward' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking "But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly." ...it's by design. In the US the maximum power on 30m is 200W PEP. http://www.arrl.org/frequency-allocations 73, Cliff K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 2:50 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking I must have done something I didn?t mean to do. Just put up a 30 meter antenna today. It works fine. Until today I had the K3 band map set to include only 80-40-20-15-10. The KPA500 tracked it automatically perfectly. I then went into the config menu for band map and set 30 meters to IN. The K3 works perfectly ? band switching gives me, in MHz, 3.5 ? 7.0 ? 10.1 ? 14.0 ? 21.0 ? 28.0 and then cycles back to 3.5 That is also exactly what I expected. But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly. For 80 I get 80. For 40 on the K3 I get 80 on the KPA500. For 30 on the K3 I get 5.3MHz on the KPA500. For 20 I get 20. For 15 I get 15. And for 10 on the K3 I get 24.9 MHz on the KPA500. Interestingly, the ?Band? buttons on the KPA500 have the same errors. In MHz, pressing 1.8 yields 5.3. 3.5 is OK. Pressing 7.0 produces 3.5. 14 and 21 are OK. And pressing 28 produces 24.9. The frequency sampling, however, works perfectly. A single dit on any band switches the KPA500 to the correct band, as defined by the K3. The cables are all Elecraft issue. They are all connected correctly ? witness that everything worked perfectly, on every band, until I added 30M into the K3?s band map. Because both the K3 auto tracking feature and the Band buttons on the KPA500 yield the same errors, I think I must have messed up something in the amp. I have, by the way, already RdTFM. Any ideas about what I might have done? Equally useful would be, how do I undo it? Many thanks for whatever anyone can suggest . . . Ted, KN1CBR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cf at cfcorp.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com From ar at dseven.org Sun Aug 7 19:58:56 2016 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 16:58:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking In-Reply-To: <2A118D35-DB23-43A1-8EE0-B315BB79A2AE@law.du.edu> References: <011701d1f0f9$d431c710$7c955530$@com> <2A118D35-DB23-43A1-8EE0-B315BB79A2AE@law.du.edu> Message-ID: Seems like an issue with the "BCD" data from the K3 to the KPA500, but the symptoms don't seem to point to a single broken wire. It may be an obscure firmware bug. What happens if you take 30m back out of the band-map? Is the K3 firmware up-to-date? 73, ~iain / N6ML On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Thanks, Cliff. I am aware of the 30M 200W power limitation, but I don?t see why adding 30M to the K3?s Band Map would cause 40 meters and 10 meters to be in error. When the K3 is at 7.0 MHz the KPA500 switches to 3.5. When the K3 is at 28.0 MHz the KPA500 switches to 24.9. That never happened before today. Moreover the amp correctly senses 30M on the first dit and switches correctly, and seems very happy producing 200W or more on 30M. > > Brian, K3KO, suggested disconnecting the cable from the amp to see what the band buttons on the amp do. They work correctly with the cable disconnected, and they work correctly with the cable connected and the K3?s power off. 7.0 switches to 7.0, 28 switches to 28, and so forth. So what does that mean ? that the fault lies in the K3? But before adding 30M to the Band map in the K3 changing bands worked for all of 80, 40, 20, 15, and 10 ? that is, changing the K3 band changed the KPA500 band correctly. Now it doesn?t work for 40 and 10, and 30; but it does for 80, 20 and 15. Since the only change that occurred was adding 30M to the band map, does that mean something is fouled up in the configuration? I did recycle the power to both the K3 and the KPA500 after making the configuration change. > > One other fact ? pressing the 10MHz band button on the KPA500 correctly switches the K3 to 10MHz ? but places the amp on 5.3 MHz. The amp then switches to 10 MHz with the first transmitted dit. But pressing the 10MHz band button on the amp when the K3 power is off changes the amp to 10 MHz. > > Appreciative and still perplexed, Ted, KN1CBR > > > Edward A. Dauer, LL.B. M.P.H. > Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law > University of Denver > > > On 8/7/16, 4:19 PM, "Cliff Frescura" wrote: > > "But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly." > > ...it's by design. > > In the US the maximum power on 30m is 200W PEP. > > http://www.arrl.org/frequency-allocations > > 73, > > Cliff K3LL/6 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 2:50 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking > > I must have done something I didn?t mean to do. > > Just put up a 30 meter antenna today. It works fine. Until today I had the K3 band map set to include only 80-40-20-15-10. The KPA500 tracked it automatically perfectly. I then went into the config menu for band map and set 30 meters to IN. The K3 works perfectly ? band switching gives me, in MHz, 3.5 ? 7.0 ? 10.1 ? 14.0 ? 21.0 ? 28.0 and then cycles back to 3.5 That is also exactly what I expected. > > But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly. For 80 I get 80. For 40 on the K3 I get 80 on the KPA500. For 30 on the K3 I get 5.3MHz on the KPA500. For 20 I get 20. For 15 I get 15. And for 10 on the K3 I get 24.9 MHz on the KPA500. > > Interestingly, the ?Band? buttons on the KPA500 have the same errors. In MHz, pressing 1.8 yields 5.3. 3.5 is OK. Pressing 7.0 produces 3.5. 14 and 21 are OK. And pressing 28 produces 24.9. > > The frequency sampling, however, works perfectly. A single dit on any band switches the KPA500 to the correct band, as defined by the K3. > > The cables are all Elecraft issue. They are all connected correctly ? witness that everything worked perfectly, on every band, until I added 30M into the K3?s band map. Because both the K3 auto tracking feature and the Band buttons on the KPA500 yield the same errors, I think I must have messed up something in the amp. > > I have, by the way, already RdTFM. > > Any ideas about what I might have done? Equally useful would be, how do I undo it? > > Many thanks for whatever anyone can suggest . . . > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cf at cfcorp.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ar at dseven.org From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Aug 7 20:02:21 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 00:02:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking In-Reply-To: <000001d1f0fe$6d1028b0$47307a10$@sbcglobal.net> References: <011701d1f0f9$d431c710$7c955530$@com> <000001d1f0fe$6d1028b0$47307a10$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <302FEA79-7BDF-4AB9-956E-E5E11FC8FA55@law.du.edu> Success!! Mark, WB9CIF, and Hank, K7HP, both suggested a combination of things including resetting the F/W files, swapping cables around to bypass the KAT, unplugging and reseating all of the aux plugs . . . Hard to say what the winner was, but after doing all the cable things and then reloading the F/W in both the K3 and KPA500, it all works! Now back to the day?s principal objective ? getting the K3 on 30 meters. I have no idea why just adding one band to the band map caused those mysterious faults. And, to quote Mark Musick commenting on his once resetting his aux cables, ?I don?t know why that solved the problem . . . ? But then, understanding how sacred rituals effect happy outcomes has defied greater minds than mine. Last point, which I have said before and will say again: This reflector is an outstanding community of first-class ops. Many thanks to all who helped me this time. Ted, KN1CBR Edward A. Dauer, LL.B. M.P.H. Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law University of Denver On 8/7/16, 4:52 PM, "Mark E. Musick" wrote: My K3S and KPA500 track correctly on 30 meters. If I select 30 meters from the KPA500 front panel both go to 30 meters. When I select 30 meters on the K3S the KPA500 goes to 30. I routinely use the KPA500 to run 200 Watts on 30. This was also true for the K3 I had before the K3S. Check your cables again connecting the K3 aux port to the KPA500. Remove them and reset them and see if that changes anything. I had a similar issue and that solved the problem. I don't know why that solved the problem, but the issue has not reoccurred. Also, after you added 30 to the band map, did you turn the K3 off then back on as suggested in the manual when making changes in the menu? Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Cliff Frescura Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 10:20 PM To: 'Dauer, Edward' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking "But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly." ...it's by design. In the US the maximum power on 30m is 200W PEP. http://www.arrl.org/frequency-allocations 73, Cliff K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 2:50 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking I must have done something I didn?t mean to do. Just put up a 30 meter antenna today. It works fine. Until today I had the K3 band map set to include only 80-40-20-15-10. The KPA500 tracked it automatically perfectly. I then went into the config menu for band map and set 30 meters to IN. The K3 works perfectly ? band switching gives me, in MHz, 3.5 ? 7.0 ? 10.1 ? 14.0 ? 21.0 ? 28.0 and then cycles back to 3.5 That is also exactly what I expected. But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly. For 80 I get 80. For 40 on the K3 I get 80 on the KPA500. For 30 on the K3 I get 5.3MHz on the KPA500. For 20 I get 20. For 15 I get 15. And for 10 on the K3 I get 24.9 MHz on the KPA500. Interestingly, the ?Band? buttons on the KPA500 have the same errors. In MHz, pressing 1.8 yields 5.3. 3.5 is OK. Pressing 7.0 produces 3.5. 14 and 21 are OK. And pressing 28 produces 24.9. The frequency sampling, however, works perfectly. A single dit on any band switches the KPA500 to the correct band, as defined by the K3. The cables are all Elecraft issue. They are all connected correctly ? witness that everything worked perfectly, on every band, until I added 30M into the K3?s band map. Because both the K3 auto tracking feature and the Band buttons on the KPA500 yield the same errors, I think I must have messed up something in the amp. I have, by the way, already RdTFM. Any ideas about what I might have done? Equally useful would be, how do I undo it? Many thanks for whatever anyone can suggest . . . Ted, KN1CBR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cf at cfcorp.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 7 20:07:44 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 20:07:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ted, One other observation, it would appear that you are missing the BAND0 signal at the KPA500. Make sure the ACC connector on the K3 is tight as well as other end at the KPA500 (AUX cable). If you moved things around on the operating desk, it is possible that you incurred some cable damage - you should be able to do a continuity check on the BAND0 signal line in the cable. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/7/2016 5:50 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > I must have done something I didn?t mean to do. > > Just put up a 30 meter antenna today. It works fine. Until today I had the K3 band map set to include only 80-40-20-15-10. The KPA500 tracked it automatically perfectly. I then went into the config menu for band map and set 30 meters to IN. The K3 works perfectly ? band switching gives me, in MHz, 3.5 ? 7.0 ? 10.1 ? 14.0 ? 21.0 ? 28.0 and then cycles back to 3.5 That is also exactly what I expected. > > But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly. For 80 I get 80. For 40 on the K3 I get 80 on the KPA500. For 30 on the K3 I get 5.3MHz on the KPA500. For 20 I get 20. For 15 I get 15. And for 10 on the K3 I get 24.9 MHz on the KPA500. > > Interestingly, the ?Band? buttons on the KPA500 have the same errors. In MHz, pressing 1.8 yields 5.3. 3.5 is OK. Pressing 7.0 produces 3.5. 14 and 21 are OK. And pressing 28 produces 24.9. > > From cf at cfcorp.com Sun Aug 7 20:10:29 2016 From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 17:10:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking In-Reply-To: <2A118D35-DB23-43A1-8EE0-B315BB79A2AE@law.du.edu> References: <011701d1f0f9$d431c710$7c955530$@com> <2A118D35-DB23-43A1-8EE0-B315BB79A2AE@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <012d01d1f109$45d1c4b0$d1754e10$@com> I think I jumped the gun and was wrong. 73, Cliff K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Dauer, Edward [mailto:edauer at law.du.edu] Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 3:42 PM To: Cliff Frescura; elecraft at mailman.qth.net; brian Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking Thanks, Cliff. I am aware of the 30M 200W power limitation, but I don?t see why adding 30M to the K3?s Band Map would cause 40 meters and 10 meters to be in error. When the K3 is at 7.0 MHz the KPA500 switches to 3.5. When the K3 is at 28.0 MHz the KPA500 switches to 24.9. That never happened before today. Moreover the amp correctly senses 30M on the first dit and switches correctly, and seems very happy producing 200W or more on 30M. Brian, K3KO, suggested disconnecting the cable from the amp to see what the band buttons on the amp do. They work correctly with the cable disconnected, and they work correctly with the cable connected and the K3?s power off. 7.0 switches to 7.0, 28 switches to 28, and so forth. So what does that mean ? that the fault lies in the K3? But before adding 30M to the Band map in the K3 changing bands worked for all of 80, 40, 20, 15, and 10 ? that is, changing the K3 band changed the KPA500 band correctly. Now it doesn?t work for 40 and 10, and 30; but it does for 80, 20 and 15. Since the only change that occurred was adding 30M to the band map, does that mean something is fouled up in the configuration? I did recycle the power to both the K3 and the KPA500 after making the configuration change. One other fact ? pressing the 10MHz band button on the KPA500 correctly switches the K3 to 10MHz ? but places the amp on 5.3 MHz. The amp then switches to 10 MHz with the first transmitted dit. But pressing the 10MHz band button on the amp when the K3 power is off changes the amp to 10 MHz. Appreciative and still perplexed, Ted, KN1CBR Edward A. Dauer, LL.B. M.P.H. Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law University of Denver On 8/7/16, 4:19 PM, "Cliff Frescura" wrote: "But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly." ...it's by design. In the US the maximum power on 30m is 200W PEP. http://www.arrl.org/frequency-allocations 73, Cliff K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 2:50 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking I must have done something I didn?t mean to do. Just put up a 30 meter antenna today. It works fine. Until today I had the K3 band map set to include only 80-40-20-15-10. The KPA500 tracked it automatically perfectly. I then went into the config menu for band map and set 30 meters to IN. The K3 works perfectly ? band switching gives me, in MHz, 3.5 ? 7.0 ? 10.1 ? 14.0 ? 21.0 ? 28.0 and then cycles back to 3.5 That is also exactly what I expected. But the KPA doesn?t track the K3?s band choice correctly. For 80 I get 80. For 40 on the K3 I get 80 on the KPA500. For 30 on the K3 I get 5.3MHz on the KPA500. For 20 I get 20. For 15 I get 15. And for 10 on the K3 I get 24.9 MHz on the KPA500. Interestingly, the ?Band? buttons on the KPA500 have the same errors. In MHz, pressing 1.8 yields 5.3. 3.5 is OK. Pressing 7.0 produces 3.5. 14 and 21 are OK. And pressing 28 produces 24.9. The frequency sampling, however, works perfectly. A single dit on any band switches the KPA500 to the correct band, as defined by the K3. The cables are all Elecraft issue. They are all connected correctly ? witness that everything worked perfectly, on every band, until I added 30M into the K3?s band map. Because both the K3 auto tracking feature and the Band buttons on the KPA500 yield the same errors, I think I must have messed up something in the amp. I have, by the way, already RdTFM. Any ideas about what I might have done? Equally useful would be, how do I undo it? Many thanks for whatever anyone can suggest . . . Ted, KN1CBR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cf at cfcorp.com From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Aug 7 20:17:21 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 00:17:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E0DD385-44CE-42A1-809A-8EBF008947FA@law.du.edu> Thanks, Don; that may have been the key. Even with all of the connectors tight there could be an intermittent fault in any one of them. There are four connectors and two cables linking the K3 with the amp through the KAT500 tuner, as well as the internal connections in the tuner. It could be that a random movement triggered the intermittency and that reseating them all moved the equivalent of the cat?s whisker back onto the sweet spot of the galena. I may just replace them all ? or wait until the problem reappears and then do the Band0 line check to see where the fault lies. Thanks again for your thoughtful help . . . Ted, KN1CBR On 8/7/16, 6:07 PM, "Don Wilhelm" wrote: Ted, One other observation, it would appear that you are missing the BAND0 signal at the KPA500. Make sure the ACC connector on the K3 is tight as well as other end at the KPA500 (AUX cable). If you moved things around on the operating desk, it is possible that you incurred some cable damage - you should be able to do a continuity check on the BAND0 signal line in the cable. 73, Don W3FPR From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Aug 7 20:21:39 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 00:21:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking In-Reply-To: <012d01d1f109$45d1c4b0$d1754e10$@com> References: <011701d1f0f9$d431c710$7c955530$@com> <2A118D35-DB23-43A1-8EE0-B315BB79A2AE@law.du.edu> <012d01d1f109$45d1c4b0$d1754e10$@com> Message-ID: <3AD98D9D-2E79-4432-9E29-C4A01DD45682@law.du.edu> I appreciate your having written, Cliff; and it is the case that 30 meters is an oddball. Just as the K3 is booby-trapped to prevent transmitting out of band, it could very well have been that adding 30 meters to the working bands would have required some special consideration to keep the amp from violating the power limitations. Thanks again, Ted, KN1CBR On 8/7/16, 6:10 PM, "Cliff Frescura" wrote: I think I jumped the gun and was wrong. 73, Cliff K3LL/6 From jackbrindle at me.com Sun Aug 7 20:53:17 2016 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 17:53:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking In-Reply-To: <3AD98D9D-2E79-4432-9E29-C4A01DD45682@law.du.edu> References: <011701d1f0f9$d431c710$7c955530$@com> <2A118D35-DB23-43A1-8EE0-B315BB79A2AE@law.du.edu> <012d01d1f109$45d1c4b0$d1754e10$@com> <3AD98D9D-2E79-4432-9E29-C4A01DD45682@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <62D56604-463A-4840-B27E-5974CD3969BB@me.com> You have found the problem by now, but let me comment on some other areas. The only place in the KPA500 that is restricted is the US FCC-mandated CB frequencies of 26 to 28 MHz. If you really want to output 600 watts on 30 meters (as is allowed in some areas) go right ahead. It won?t operate below 1.6 MHz because of limitations in the frequency counter code (making sure the counter is functioning properly), and above 54 MHz it probably won?t do all that much as the 6m bandpass filter does its work. The KPA listens to the BAND0-3 inputs for band determination. It will change bands pretty much immediately on seeing those input signals change. It also counts the input frequency and will switch bands if the count shows a different band - and will ignore the band inputs to use that band until they change again. So even though it detected something other than the combination for 40 meters, it would have gone there on TX and stayed until you later changed bands. Lastly, what Don was referring to - pressing a band button on the KPA500, when the RADIO is set to K3, will send a request to the K3/K3S to go to that band. When the K3 responds by changing bands, it will output the proper combination on its BAND outputs, which will then cause the KPA to itself change bands. In other RADIO settings the KPA will immediately change bands, but not so with the K3 setting. Hope this helps. Those AUX cables can be pesky at times - make sure none of the pins are bent, and that everything is connecting properly. And, as we have said many times, do not use a VGA cable unless you are absolutely sure it is full 15-pin straight through, since most VGA cables connect several pins together as grounds. Me? I fabricated my own cables for my station, but then I have the facilities to do so? 73! Jack Brindle, W6FB > On Aug 7, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > I appreciate your having written, Cliff; and it is the case that 30 meters is an oddball. Just as the K3 is booby-trapped to prevent transmitting out of band, it could very well have been that adding 30 meters to the working bands would have required some special consideration to keep the amp from violating the power limitations. > > Thanks again, > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > On 8/7/16, 6:10 PM, "Cliff Frescura" wrote: > > I think I jumped the gun and was wrong. > > 73, > > Cliff K3LL/6 > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From jim at jtmiller.com Sun Aug 7 21:32:50 2016 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 21:32:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPod and Digout1 Message-ID: Looks like the Kpod could be used to control Digout1 via the MP command in a macro. If so that would give another controllable output in addition to the three on the Kpod itself. That looks like it will be useful for my K3s station configuration. Trying to eliminate miscellaneous little boxes and consolidate on Kpod. 73 jim ab3cv From vk2bj at optusnet.com.au Mon Aug 8 03:24:11 2016 From: vk2bj at optusnet.com.au (Barry Simpson) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 17:24:11 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Tracking In-Reply-To: <3AD98D9D-2E79-4432-9E29-C4A01DD45682@law.du.edu> References: <011701d1f0f9$d431c710$7c955530$@com> <2A118D35-DB23-43A1-8EE0-B315BB79A2AE@law.du.edu> <012d01d1f109$45d1c4b0$d1754e10$@com> <3AD98D9D-2E79-4432-9E29-C4A01DD45682@law.du.edu> Message-ID: Hi Edward I am buying into this thread somewhat late. However, I did not see a particular suggestion which has previously caused me similar problems. Have you, inadvertently or otherwise, changed the "radio" setting in the KPA500 menu? It should be set as K3. If it isn't, you will get some strange effects. I also had a problem when the K3 to KPA500 suffered a broken conductor. So it could be either. The new leads from Elecraft are much better and more flexible than the ones originally available when the KPA500 first came out. 73 Barry VK2BJ On 8 August 2016 at 10:21, Dauer, Edward wrote: > I appreciate your having written, Cliff; and it is the case that 30 meters > is an oddball. Just as the K3 is booby-trapped to prevent transmitting out > of band, it could very well have been that adding 30 meters to the working > bands would have required some special consideration to keep the amp from > violating the power limitations. > > Thanks again, > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > On 8/7/16, 6:10 PM, "Cliff Frescura" wrote: > > I think I jumped the gun and was wrong. > > 73, > > Cliff K3LL/6 > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk2bj at optusnet.com.au > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Aug 8 09:09:13 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 06:09:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] k3s radio kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have used egg cartons and ice cube trays as well as muffin pans and glass bowls. I usually can reach a finger into both the egg cartons and ice cube trays to slide a small part up the side without using tweezers. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/5/16 at 8:03 PM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: >Those who lack that skill may need to sort the hardware into >separate muffin tins or other containers with marker tags as a >reminder of the size in the compartment. >Actually, I hate those muffin tins or plastic box compartments >because I cannot just reach in with my fingers and pull out a >component - pliers or tweezers are needed to extract a screw or >other component from those containers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | I like the farmers' market | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | because I can get fruits and | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | vegetables without stickers. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From k6ctw at earthlink.net Mon Aug 8 09:47:21 2016 From: k6ctw at earthlink.net (Ken Miller K6CTW) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 06:47:21 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] Paint for EC-2 Enclosure Message-ID: <13141775.1470664041959.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> All I have an EC-2 that is getting ready to be built into a power-supply, speaker et. for my K2. When the holes for the meters, speakers, switches, etc. are milled out in the front and back panels, there will undoubtedly be areas where the paint is removed that needs to be touched up. Where can I get pain that would match the color/texture of the existing pain on that enclosure? Thoughts and/or information from other's experience much appreciated. Thanks in advance. 73 - Ken Miller, K6CTW From mbaileycrna at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 09:59:56 2016 From: mbaileycrna at gmail.com (Morgan Bailey) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 08:59:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Antenna Question In-Reply-To: <4ad806e2-9514-709a-d8ed-73a1e5fbd94f@embarqmail.com> References: <000001d1f0c0$f8333e70$e899bb50$@com> <4ad806e2-9514-709a-d8ed-73a1e5fbd94f@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: How stiff is the 20 meter vertical? I take an 8 inch long piece of 1.5in pvc and make a stand off at the base and the top for the vertical. Then run a wire from the 20 meter feed point to the top of the 20 meter vertical giving you 17feet...then out another 17 feet and you will have an inverted L. Otherwise you can put a 20 meter trap at the top and put a 17 feet piece of wire out with no stand offs and do the same thing. Although, if you use the parallel feed, you can use the 40 meter wire (inverted L) on 15 meters easily with no tuner. Just put down a few wires on the ground and let the grass grow over them You may need to add a counter traction on the vertical with an insulated rope to keep the vertical from bowing in the direction of the 40 meter L. It should work really nicely for you. I know that this works because I use a 40 meter vertical that I have rigged to work 160 through 10. Vy 73, Morgan NJ8M On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Clipping a 17 foot wire to the top may be easier than adding an inductor. > Add at least one 33 foot counterpoise wire - or extend one of the 20 meter > counterpoise wires with another clip-on 17 foot wire. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 8/7/2016 11:32 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > >> That is a huge mismatch. Assuming that the portable 20m vertical is easily >> assessable I would just clip on an inductor at the base to make it >> resonant >> on 40m. If you have elevated radials you would have to put one there also >> or just lay the radials on the ground. >> >> John KK9A >> >> [Elecraft] [OT] Antenna Question >> >> rick jones n3ikq >> Sat Aug 6 22:58:39 EDT 2016 >> >> Ok sorry for not providing enough info! Consider this scenario: I have a >> portable vertical with 4 counterpoise wires that is resonant on 20. Lets >> say >> I want to tune the antenna up on 40. I can have a tuner right at the base >> of >> the antenna OR I can just use a balun at the base of the antenna and use >> the >> built in ATU in the K3. Is there a difference in how much power is getting >> to the antenna? I assume the tuner at the base is the best option which >> always makes me doubt the usefulness of having an ATU built in to a rig in >> terms of getting the most power to the antenna. Am I on the right track? >> Thanks! Rick >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mbaileycrna at gmail.com > From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 11:40:53 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 09:40:53 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN: K6CTW Message-ID: Why did you ask a question if you were going to block / refuse replies? ? ? ! K0PP On Aug 8, 2016 9:30 AM, wrote: > I apologize for this automatic reply to your email. > > To control spam, I now allow incoming messages only from senders I have > approved beforehand. > > If you would like to be added to my list of approved senders, please fill > out the short request form (see link below). Once I approve you, I will > receive your original message in my inbox. You do not need to resend your > message. I apologize for this one-time inconvenience. > > Click the link below to fill out the request: > > https://webmail.pas.earthlink.net/wam/addme?a=k6ctw@ > earthlink.net&id=11e6-5d7c-d43f34c8-b884-00144fe245fa > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 8 11:57:40 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 11:57:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN: K6CTW In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40947965-dfae-6b01-f4b6-8f45d8184a99@embarqmail.com> I was going to respond, but based on the experience below, I will decline. IMHO, this is a horrid way to operate email. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/8/2016 11:40 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Why did you ask a question if you were going to block / refuse replies? ? ? > ! > > K0PP > > On Aug 8, 2016 9:30 AM, wrote: > >> I apologize for this automatic reply to your email. >> >> To control spam, I now allow incoming messages only from senders I have >> approved beforehand. >> >> If you would like to be added to my list of approved senders, please fill >> out the short request form (see link below). Once I approve you, I will >> receive your original message in my inbox. You do not need to resend your >> message. I apologize for this one-time inconvenience. >> >> Click the link below to fill out the request: >> >> https://webmail.pas.earthlink.net/wam/addme?a=k6ctw@ >> earthlink.net&id=11e6-5d7c-d43f34c8-b884-00144fe245fa >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 12:03:03 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 10:03:03 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! Message-ID: Likely of interest to many of us. www.heathkit.com From f12547 at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 12:04:59 2016 From: f12547 at gmail.com (f12547 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:04:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3, KXPA100 and KX Utility Software Message-ID: Because I can't seem to figure out how to search the list to find an answer to my question, I am posting this question. How does one configure (cable) a KX3, KXPA100 and a computer to use the Elecraft KX3 Utility software for data modes? Or, must I have to go the sound card route and use a different program for digital modes? Thanks, Frank, W2FAL From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 8 12:20:37 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:20:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3, KXPA100 and KX Utility Software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frank, I think you will be happier using the soundcard route. The KX3 Utility will PSK-D, FSK-D or CW. If you already have the capability to download firmware to the KX3/KXPA100 or to save the configuration, etc using KX3 Utility, you are all set - just go to the Terminal tab, then tune the KX3 to the station of interest (and set the proper data submode - or CW) and it should be decoded. Type in the transmit window and it should be transmitted. If you want the conventional waterfall display and point to the signal and click to tune it, use the soundcard and select DATA A for all but RTTY where you will want to use AFSK A. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/8/2016 12:04 PM, f12547 at gmail.com wrote: > Because I can't seem to figure out how to search the list to find an answer > to my question, I am posting this question. > > How does one configure (cable) a KX3, KXPA100 and a computer to use the > Elecraft KX3 Utility software for data modes? > > Or, must I have to go the sound card route and use a different program for > digital modes? > > From SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com Mon Aug 8 12:44:50 2016 From: SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com (Steve-KI4EZL) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 09:44:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] T1 as stopped tuning correctly. Message-ID: <1470674690715-7621358.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello, My T1 tuner quit working. It is about 5 weeks old. I have video taped the attempt to tune and the self test, and posted it on YouTube. I hope this will help with the diagnosis. Here is that link - https://youtu.be/jprcv6q_HFQ Station is a 33' EF wire antenna, t1 tuner, LNR MTR 5b QRP radio, Begali traveller light iambic key. Radio runs on AA batteries, 10-11 volts. It has always worked well before, but now does not tune. Self test results: S=1R0, V=8R9, L=0, C=0, N=t, B=0, F=1R07. Please advise. Thank you, Steve KI4EZL -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/T1-as-stopped-tuning-correctly-tp7621358.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Aug 8 12:46:11 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 09:46:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN: K6CTW In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ken and Don, I think you got this response because you responded direct to the sender rather than to the Elecraft reflector. Or perhaps you copied his direct email on a response to the reflector. I also use a required response spam filter system that catches most automated junk, but it only requires that you click on a link in the email you receive from that system. I've used it since my website host first offered it nearly 20 years ago. 73, Jim K9YC On Mon,8/8/2016 8:40 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Why did you ask a question if you were going to block / refuse replies? ? ? From lightdazzled at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 12:48:54 2016 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:48:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Eneloop Pro AA vs. Eneloop 21 AA cells Message-ID: I've had 8 Eneloop Pro 2400 mAh cells in my KX3 for about 3 years now. There have probably been only about 30 charge/discharge cycles on them, since I most often use an external LiFePO4 pack when I can. Just recently I've begun to experience KX3 shutdown when trying to transmit at 5 watts or more into a well matched load - including a dummy load. At the 3 watt level, the built-in voltmeter has shown a full 2 volt drop with a 1.2 amp load: from 10.8 in receive to 8.8. This is fresh off a full charge, and even though the cells still show about a 2400 mAh capacity with a refresh cycle in an external battery charger/analyzer. Replacing the Eneloop Pro cells with standard 2100 mAh Eneloops of approximately the same age I don't have the problem. The 1.2 amp voltage drop is 0.9 V and not much more when I transmit at 10 watts. I had run across other's experiences with these cells that noted an increased internal resistance compared to the standard Eneloops, and my experience seems to confirm this. At the least it seems the Eneloop Pro cells haven't aged as well as the standard Eneloops. I thought this experience might help other KX3 owners. 73 Chip AE5KA From cautery at montac.com Mon Aug 8 13:12:10 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:12:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN: K6CTW In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <938776a6-2f1b-2df5-57ea-465c1c40b5c8@montac.com> He ain't picking on you.... He's obviously got a serious problem with SPAM and has implemented this server initiated process. The message is sent to EVERYONE who sends an email to that address who is NOT on the "WHITELIST". Once you are on the Whitelist, you won't get the message anymore. How could he anticipate that YOU personally would respond... :-) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/8/2016 10:40 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Why did you ask a question if you were going to block / refuse replies? ? ? > ! > > K0PP > > On Aug 8, 2016 9:30 AM, wrote: > on > From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Mon Aug 8 13:11:40 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 10:11:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6a65b8cb-0bbc-787c-ebab-afba1f8e1ed5@cis-broadband.com> Hardly. $100 for a clock? $150 for a tuned RF AM receiver? Those prices are high by an order of magnitude, and that's being generous. On 8/8/2016 9:03 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Likely of interest to many of us. > > www.heathkit.com From cautery at montac.com Mon Aug 8 13:14:11 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:14:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN: K6CTW In-Reply-To: <40947965-dfae-6b01-f4b6-8f45d8184a99@embarqmail.com> References: <40947965-dfae-6b01-f4b6-8f45d8184a99@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Not my preference either, but sometimes, if your email provider makes a mistake or doesn't take proper precautions, you can end up getting THOUSANDS of SPAM emails a day... Been there... Give the guy a break, please. 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/8/2016 10:57 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I was going to respond, but based on the experience below, I will > decline. > IMHO, this is a horrid way to operate email. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > From bbaines at mac.com Mon Aug 8 13:18:36 2016 From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 13:18:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ken: My GC-1005 that I built as a teenager in 1973 as my first Heathkit experience is still serving as my bedside clock having served continuously for over 43 years. That said, I could use another clock or two for other applications. Looks like a fun kit to build! While the pricing as a ?clock? maybe high, the ?intrinsic value? (nostalgia and fun of building) probably makes it worthwhile to me. Thanks for the heads up. 73, Barry Baines, WD4ASW Westborough, MA > On Aug 8, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Likely of interest to many of us. > > www.heathkit.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bbaines at mac.com From mveeneman at yahoo.com Mon Aug 8 13:34:58 2016 From: mveeneman at yahoo.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:34:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN: K6CTW In-Reply-To: References: <40947965-dfae-6b01-f4b6-8f45d8184a99@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <9B0BEF0E-407D-4DEB-B506-29236EA71174@yahoo.com> But greylist is more effective and less like a slap in the face to your friends. He, and others making the same blunder, should seek alternatives. -- Marc W8SDG > On Aug 8, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > > Not my preference either, but sometimes, if your email provider makes a > mistake or doesn't take proper precautions, you can end up getting > THOUSANDS of SPAM emails a day... > > Been there... > > Give the guy a break, please. > > > 73, > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > >> On 8/8/2016 10:57 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> I was going to respond, but based on the experience below, I will >> decline. >> IMHO, this is a horrid way to operate email. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mveeneman at yahoo.com From k6ctw at earthlink.net Mon Aug 8 13:36:07 2016 From: k6ctw at earthlink.net (Ken Miller K6CTW) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 10:36:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] Paint for EC-2 Enclosure Message-ID: <27507704.1470677768218.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 8 13:41:56 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:41:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] T1 as stopped tuning correctly. In-Reply-To: <1470674690715-7621358.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470674690715-7621358.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Steve, The blinking yellow LED as well as the Self Test results seem to indicate that the T1 is in BYPASS mode. Tap the BYP/INFO button to alternate between ATU inline (green LED on). 73, Don W3FPR On 8/8/2016 12:44 PM, Steve-KI4EZL wrote: > Hello, > > My T1 tuner quit working. It is about 5 weeks old. > > I have video taped the attempt to tune and the self test, and posted it on > YouTube. I hope this will help with the diagnosis. Here is that link > - https://youtu.be/jprcv6q_HFQ > > Station is a 33' EF wire antenna, t1 tuner, LNR MTR 5b QRP radio, Begali > traveller light iambic key. Radio runs on AA batteries, 10-11 volts. It > has always worked well before, but now does not tune. > > Self test results: S=1R0, V=8R9, L=0, C=0, N=t, B=0, F=1R07. > > Please advise. > > Thank you, > Steve > KI4EZL > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/T1-as-stopped-tuning-correctly-tp7621358.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 13:59:03 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 10:59:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Given that we've heard "Heathkit has risen" [BentonHarbor 28:6] monthly for the last 40 years, I'd want to hear from someone who actually ordered and received something before I sent any money. I''m not implying anything dishonest at all, but vaporware is vaporware. In the mean time, I wish them all the luck in the world. My first rig was a DX-35 for my 15th birthday. It was sad to see them fall on hard times. Eric KE6US ex-KN1DCK On 8/8/2016 9:03 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Likely of interest to many of us. > > www.heathkit.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From crustacean at brig-elec.com Mon Aug 8 14:12:32 2016 From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 14:12:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1470679952.3398.47.camel@arabica> Unfortunately Heathkit seems to be stuck in some sort of Lazarus loop. I just hope that a Chinese company isn't using such a venerable name to give credibility to sell more poorly made electronic goods. On Mon, 2016-08-08 at 10:59 -0700, EricJ wrote: > Given that we've heard "Heathkit has risen" [BentonHarbor 28:6] monthly > for the last 40 years, I'd want to hear from someone who actually > ordered and received something before I sent any money. I''m not > implying anything dishonest at all, but vaporware is vaporware. > > In the mean time, I wish them all the luck in the world. My first rig > was a DX-35 for my 15th birthday. It was sad to see them fall on hard times. > > Eric KE6US > > ex-KN1DCK > > > On 8/8/2016 9:03 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Likely of interest to many of us. > > > > www.heathkit.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com > From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 14:17:49 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 11:17:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Paint for EC-2 Enclosure In-Reply-To: <13141775.1470664041959.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13141775.1470664041959.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I posted the same question a few days ago for an EC2 clone that I built. Most suggested I have an Elecraft panel scanned to order custom paint. That sort of flew in the face of building an EC2 clone to save money. I could have bought one for what it cost to order custom paint and apply it. However, I had painted it with Krylon CoverMax 51318 gray ultra flat primer. Once it has thoroughly dried, you can buff it with a clean cloth to give it a slight satin look that's closer to the Elecraft finish and texture. It's not a close color match, but with the EC2 in amongst my two K2's and another factory painted EC2, the color difference doesn't show all that much in average hamshack lighting. Some day, I'd like to find a rattle can that is closer, but in the mean time, it looks decent and works fine. In the photos here, the side panels are primer, but the top panel is an original factory-painted panel. Obviously, the front panel is unprimered. Worth a try in a pinch until we can find a better match. https://flic.kr/p/KBivtc Eric KE6US On 8/8/2016 6:47 AM, Ken Miller K6CTW wrote: > All > > I have an EC-2 that is getting ready to be built into a power-supply, speaker et. for my K2. When the holes for the meters, speakers, switches, etc. are milled out in the front and back panels, there will undoubtedly be areas where the paint is removed that needs to be touched up. Where can I get pain that would match the color/texture of the existing pain on that enclosure? > > Thoughts and/or information from other's experience much appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > 73 - Ken Miller, K6CTW > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From K2TK at ptd.net Mon Aug 8 14:20:45 2016 From: K2TK at ptd.net (Bob) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:20:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! In-Reply-To: <6a65b8cb-0bbc-787c-ebab-afba1f8e1ed5@cis-broadband.com> References: <6a65b8cb-0bbc-787c-ebab-afba1f8e1ed5@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: And it will not replace my two GC1000, "Most Accurate Clock", Heathkit's. 73, Bob K2TK On 8/8/2016 1:11 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > Hardly. > > $100 for a clock? $150 for a tuned RF AM receiver? Those prices are high by > an order of magnitude, and that's being generous. > > > > On 8/8/2016 9:03 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> Likely of interest to many of us. >> >> www.heathkit.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2tk at ptd.net > > From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon Aug 8 14:23:07 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:23:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! In-Reply-To: <1470679952.3398.47.camel@arabica> References: <1470679952.3398.47.camel@arabica> Message-ID: Lazarus loop; I love it. Dick, n0ce On 8/8/2016 1:12 PM, John Pitz wrote: > Unfortunately Heathkit seems to be stuck in some sort ofLazarus loop. -- From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 8 14:53:26 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 18:53:26 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007101d1f1a6$261ec170$725c4450$@sbcglobal.net> It is real. Sometime back, I think it was here on the reflector, someone had bought their little AM radio kit and said it was a very good kit and they enjoyed building it. The assembly manual was up to the expected Heathkit quality. Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of EricJ Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:59 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! Given that we've heard "Heathkit has risen" [BentonHarbor 28:6] monthly for the last 40 years, I'd want to hear from someone who actually ordered and received something before I sent any money. I''m not implying anything dishonest at all, but vaporware is vaporware. In the mean time, I wish them all the luck in the world. My first rig was a DX-35 for my 15th birthday. It was sad to see them fall on hard times. Eric KE6US ex-KN1DCK On 8/8/2016 9:03 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Likely of interest to many of us. > > www.heathkit.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From dave at nk7z.net Mon Aug 8 14:52:09 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 11:52:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN: K6CTW In-Reply-To: <9B0BEF0E-407D-4DEB-B506-29236EA71174@yahoo.com> References: <40947965-dfae-6b01-f4b6-8f45d8184a99@embarqmail.com> <9B0BEF0E-407D-4DEB-B506-29236EA71174@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1470682329.4569.208.camel@nk7z.net> On Mon, 2016-08-08 at 13:34 -0400, Marc Veeneman via Elecraft wrote: > But greylist is more effective and less like a slap in the face to > your friends.??He, and others making the same blunder, should seek > alternatives. Greylist is wonderful and works really, really well... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From lists at subich.com Mon Aug 8 14:55:46 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:55:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN: K6CTW In-Reply-To: <938776a6-2f1b-2df5-57ea-465c1c40b5c8@montac.com> References: <938776a6-2f1b-2df5-57ea-465c1c40b5c8@montac.com> Message-ID: <69207b5c-b888-acd5-6ac6-606ac048c076@subich.com> > How could he anticipate that YOU personally would respond... :-) That's not the point. When you post a general request for help (e.g., to a mail list), don't be blocking replies *or* expect someone trying to help you to go take *extra steps* to respond to an e-mail challenge. If I get one of those challenges, it automatically goes into my spam bucket and the person who has asked for help loses out - period. So too does anyone who has an e-mail provider that blocks my ISP. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/8/2016 1:12 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > He ain't picking on you.... He's obviously got a serious problem with > SPAM and has implemented this server initiated process. > > The message is sent to EVERYONE who sends an email to that address who > is NOT on the "WHITELIST". > > Once you are on the Whitelist, you won't get the message anymore. > > How could he anticipate that YOU personally would respond... :-) > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 8/8/2016 10:40 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> Why did you ask a question if you were going to block / refuse replies? ? ? >> ! >> >> K0PP >> >> On Aug 8, 2016 9:30 AM, wrote: >> on >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com Mon Aug 8 14:56:19 2016 From: SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com (Steve-KI4EZL) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 11:56:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] T1 as stopped tuning correctly. In-Reply-To: References: <1470674690715-7621358.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0F684436-C84F-4A2C-BB0C-BBAC1011E3CB@nc.rr.com> Thanks Don. In the video I posted on youtube, the blinking yellow is actually the self test sending code for each value. The green light was blinking when in first step of tune mode, then touch paddle to start 2nd step of tune mode. Normally it moves around trying different tunings and latches on to the best one. Now, it just has steady tone, steady green light, flickering yellow a tiny bit, but does not try different tunings and does not latch, and does not finish the tuning, like it use to. I ran the self test and the blinking yellow light showed the following results. S=1R0, SWR V=8R9, BATTERY VOLTAGE L=0, INDUCTANCE C=0, CAPACITANCE N=t, NETWORK CONFIG B=0, BAND ID F=1R07 FIRMWARE REVISION Tested following with neg dmm lead on neg bat tab. No battery in device tested. Red DMM lead on parts ends, one at a time: D1: 122/0 D2: 122/0 R3: 120 / 117 R4: 120 / 117 R5: 118 / 0 R6: 118 / 0 Then, testing with both pos & neg DMM lead tips on each end of parts, then swapping neg for pos & vice versa, D1: 122 / 79 D2: 122 / 79 > On Aug 8, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Don Wilhelm > S=1R0, V=8R9, L=0, C=0, N=t, B=0, F=1R07 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/T1-as-stopped-tuning-correctly-tp7621358p7621374.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ab2tc at arrl.net Mon Aug 8 15:01:37 2016 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:01:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Not so OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! In-Reply-To: References: <1470679952.3398.47.camel@arabica> Message-ID: <1470682897444-7621377.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, I share the feelings of most of the most recent posters. I have no idea who is behind the new P.O. box in Santa Cruz which according to Wikipedia was established in October 2015. I wish them luck, crossing my fingers, but not holding much hope for their success. Now, to the OT: part. Elecraft is living proof that the demise of Heathkit didn't have to be an inevitable thing. Heathkit died, not only because technology changed but more so by serious corporate mismanagement. Once the original company was sold to Zenith, the writing was on the wall. Had entrepreneurial folks, that were probably very similar in talent to Eric and Wayne remained in control, Heathkit could have survived to this day. I am one of the old-timers who remembers the heyday of Heathkit and considers its demise nothing short of a national tragedy (yes, we built Heathkits in Norway, too). AB2TC - Knut PS. My spelling checker doesn't recognize "Heathkit". Sigh. Richard Fjeld-2 wrote > Lazarus loop; I love it. > > Dick, n0ce > > > On 8/8/2016 1:12 PM, John Pitz wrote: >> Unfortunately Heathkit seems to be stuck in some sort ofLazarus loop. > > -- > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-The-Heathkit-clocks-are-back-tp7621355p7621377.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 8 15:10:39 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:10:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN: K6CTW In-Reply-To: <69207b5c-b888-acd5-6ac6-606ac048c076@subich.com> References: <938776a6-2f1b-2df5-57ea-465c1c40b5c8@montac.com> <69207b5c-b888-acd5-6ac6-606ac048c076@subich.com> Message-ID: <0c67ab04-7109-ce55-fc37-81669bc627bf@elecraft.com> Folks - Way too OT. Please take this off list. In general, this is something that should have gone to direct email immediately and not tied up the list with email.. Thread closed. 73, Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ On 8/8/2016 11:55 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > How could he anticipate that YOU personally would respond... :-) > > That's not the point. When you post a general request for help (e.g., > to a mail list), don't be blocking replies *or* expect someone trying > to help you to go take *extra steps* to respond to an e-mail challenge. From dave at nk7z.net Mon Aug 8 15:11:23 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 12:11:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! In-Reply-To: <007101d1f1a6$261ec170$725c4450$@sbcglobal.net> References: <007101d1f1a6$261ec170$725c4450$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1470683483.4569.221.camel@nk7z.net> On Mon, 2016-08-08 at 18:53 +0000, Mark E. Musick wrote: > It is real.? > Sometime back, I think it was here on the reflector, someone had > bought their little AM radio kit and said it was a very good kit and > they enjoyed building it. ?The assembly manual was up to the expected > Heathkit quality. > > Mark, WB9CIF As much as I liked Heathkit stuff, this looks like a 4.00 dollar clock module in a 90.00 dollar box, and a 5.00 dollar power supply. It isn't even WWVB, or GPS locked. ?Sorry to be so negative about it, but the new Heathkit is going to have to do very much better than a 99.00 dollar clock to stay in business over the next five years. Construction would be fun, but really-- a $99.00 non lockable digital clock? ? I fear for the new Heathkit... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 8 15:15:21 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:15:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN: K6CTW In-Reply-To: <0c67ab04-7109-ce55-fc37-81669bc627bf@elecraft.com> References: <938776a6-2f1b-2df5-57ea-465c1c40b5c8@montac.com> <69207b5c-b888-acd5-6ac6-606ac048c076@subich.com> <0c67ab04-7109-ce55-fc37-81669bc627bf@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <9a1faf21-a1fe-f93a-2aaa-7798e0d87ae7@elecraft.com> To clarify, I'm referring to the thread complaining about the anti-spam system used by the original requester, not his original post, which was OK. Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/8/2016 12:10 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > Folks - Way too OT. Please take this off list. > > In general, this is something that should have gone to direct email > immediately and not tied up the list with email.. > > Thread closed. > > 73, > Eric > Moderator > /elecraft.com/ > > On 8/8/2016 11:55 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> > How could he anticipate that YOU personally would respond... :-) >> >> That's not the point. When you post a general request for help (e.g., >> to a mail list), don't be blocking replies *or* expect someone trying >> to help you to go take *extra steps* to respond to an e-mail challenge. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From mcpoteet at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 15:19:09 2016 From: mcpoteet at gmail.com (Michael Poteet) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:19:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Not so OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! In-Reply-To: <1470682897444-7621377.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470679952.3398.47.camel@arabica> <1470682897444-7621377.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <004501d1f1a9$bdbe08d0$393a1a70$@com> I was looking online for mods to the Heath IG-18. It looks as though a fellow in California has taken on the Heath mantle. Below are a couple of links, one a mod to the IG-18, the second a more direct Heath link: https://shop.heathkit.com/shop/product/thd-improvement-kit-for-ig-18-series- audio-generators-meter-buffer-board-only-4 http://d8apro.com/ Mike W5FTD > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > ab2tc > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 2:02 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Not so OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! > > Hi, > > I share the feelings of most of the most recent posters. I have no idea > who is behind the new P.O. box in Santa Cruz which according to > Wikipedia was established in October 2015. I wish them luck, crossing my > fingers, but not holding much hope for their success. > > Now, to the OT: part. Elecraft is living proof that the demise of > Heathkit didn't have to be an inevitable thing. Heathkit died, not only > because technology changed but more so by serious corporate > mismanagement. Once the original company was sold to Zenith, the writing > was on the wall. Had entrepreneurial folks, that were probably very > similar in talent to Eric and Wayne remained in control, Heathkit could > have survived to this day. I am one of the old-timers who remembers the > heyday of Heathkit and considers its demise nothing short of a national > tragedy (yes, we built Heathkits in Norway, too). > > AB2TC - Knut > > PS. My spelling checker doesn't recognize "Heathkit". Sigh. > > > From lmarion at mt.net Mon Aug 8 15:31:58 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:31:58 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F38C7BCC2E74FAABB3EFBA972A9626B@LeroyPC> Was OK and fun back in the day but it is all junk now and their product line looks pathetic. Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: Ken G Kopp Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 10:03 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! Likely of interest to many of us. www.heathkit.com From scuba9829 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 8 15:35:55 2016 From: scuba9829 at yahoo.com (Grady Harper) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 15:35:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KFL3A-6K-IR Filter Message-ID: <44E2BDE6-01C3-4444-B874-C099F477B4A6@yahoo.com> I have just installed a new 6K AM filter in my K3s. I configured the filter by computer, and checked using CONFIG . Band width was 6k Hz, offset 0. When I turn the band width knob I only get a spread of 5k. Any suggestion would help. The filter was put in slot 1. Sent from my iPad From w7aqk at cox.net Mon Aug 8 15:37:20 2016 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:37:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! Message-ID: Ken and All, But $100????? Not much of a bargain. If you want to monitor local plus UTC they suggest you buy two of them! Dave W7AQK From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Aug 8 15:47:43 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 19:47:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Heath kit and the Lazarus Loop Message-ID: I remembered Heathkit as having first been an airframe manufacturer which got into electronics after the War. I just checked the history, one version of which can be found here: http://www.heathkit.nu/heathkit_nu_HeathStory.html. Apparently the company was sold to Daystrom as early as 1955. Zenith bought it in 1979, after the company had diversified far afield from the electronics kit market. My first TX was a DX-20, which I built in 1957. I remember later kits coming out into at least the middle 70s. My last one was an HW-101, more or less 1973, and there were several years of good kits after that. So it lasted at least that long under Daystrom, a substantial corporation by that time. It may be that Heath?s demise came less from a lack of entrepreneurship than from a lack of focus on the market where it had mastered its route to success. The introduction of personal computers at around the same time probably played a role as well. It would be interesting to know whether any of the MBAs on the list know of a Heath Inc. B-school case. The ?Lazarus Loop? may be well named ? apparently the company had cycled through bankruptcy more than once even in its early days. The site noted above tells the tale. R.I.P. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 30 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:01:37 -0700 (MST) From: ab2tc To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Not so OT: The Heathkit clocks are back! Message-ID: <1470682897444-7621377.post at n2.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I share the feelings of most of the most recent posters. I have no idea who is behind the new P.O. box in Santa Cruz which according to Wikipedia was established in October 2015. I wish them luck, crossing my fingers, but not holding much hope for their success. Now, to the OT: part. Elecraft is living proof that the demise of Heathkit didn't have to be an inevitable thing. Heathkit died, not only because technology changed but more so by serious corporate mismanagement. Once the original company was sold to Zenith, the writing was on the wall. Had entrepreneurial folks, that were probably very similar in talent to Eric and Wayne remained in control, Heathkit could have survived to this day. I am one of the old-timers who remembers the heyday of Heathkit and considers its demise nothing short of a national tragedy (yes, we built Heathkits in Norway, too). AB2TC - Knut From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 8 15:49:45 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 15:49:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] T1 as stopped tuning correctly. In-Reply-To: <0F684436-C84F-4A2C-BB0C-BBAC1011E3CB@nc.rr.com> References: <1470674690715-7621358.post@n2.nabble.com> <0F684436-C84F-4A2C-BB0C-BBAC1011E3CB@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <7f1d7cbf-08e8-0947-7b3c-ad4ddf0ccbd8@embarqmail.com> Steve, That 33 foot wire may be what is giving you problems. It is a half wave on 20 meter and present an impedance greater than the T1 can tune. I quote from the T1 manual: "Avoid lengths close to a multiple of 1/2-wavelength on any band you plan to use. If you use an end-fed wire with no feedline and/or a poor ground, you may need to reduce power to avoid RFI problems with the transceiver, tuner, nearby computers, portable phones, etc." I suggest you try a different length, or at least add a short counterpoise wire. If you are using it on 40 meters, you definitely need a counterpoise wire of about 33 feet. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/8/2016 2:56 PM, Steve-KI4EZL wrote: > Thanks Don. > > In the video I posted on youtube, the blinking yellow is actually the self test sending code for each value. > > The green light was blinking when in first step of tune mode, then touch paddle to start 2nd step of tune mode. Normally it moves around trying different tunings and latches on to the best one. Now, it just has steady tone, steady green light, flickering yellow a tiny bit, but does not try different tunings and does not latch, and does not finish the tuning, like it use to. I ran the self test and the blinking yellow light showed the following results. > > S=1R0, SWR > V=8R9, BATTERY VOLTAGE > L=0, INDUCTANCE > C=0, CAPACITANCE > N=t, NETWORK CONFIG > B=0, BAND ID > F=1R07 FIRMWARE REVISION > > Tested following with neg dmm lead on neg bat tab. No battery in device tested. Red DMM lead on parts ends, one at a time: > D1: 122/0 > D2: 122/0 > R3: 120 / 117 > R4: 120 / 117 > R5: 118 / 0 > R6: 118 / 0 > > Then, testing with both pos & neg DMM lead tips on each end of parts, then swapping neg for pos & vice versa, > D1: 122 / 79 > D2: 122 / 79 > >> On Aug 8, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Don Wilhelm >> S=1R0, V=8R9, L=0, C=0, N=t, B=0, F=1R07 > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/T1-as-stopped-tuning-correctly-tp7621358p7621374.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Mon Aug 8 15:51:13 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 15:51:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN: K6CTW In-Reply-To: <69207b5c-b888-acd5-6ac6-606ac048c076@subich.com> References: <69207b5c-b888-acd5-6ac6-606ac048c076@subich.com> Message-ID: Personally, I do not like off-list responses - unless they are solicited. If responses are made on list, we all get to learn. Off list responses do not help the rest of us at all. Bill W2BLC K-Line From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 15:51:43 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:51:43 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: My Heathkit post In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Folks, I'm just the messenger ... only wanted to share the info that Heathkit appears to have returned. Our bedroom clock (Walmart?) tracks 60 KHz WWVB, choice of times, follows DST changes, etc. Cost less than $50. 73 K0PP From va3mw at portcredit.net Mon Aug 8 16:04:54 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 16:04:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN: K6CTW In-Reply-To: References: <69207b5c-b888-acd5-6ac6-606ac048c076@subich.com> Message-ID: I don't mind them, but it is getting out of hand. Seriously. I can't wait till the the election starts. I think Elecraft needs 2 reflectors. The broad ranging one, and the very product specific one. I'm on 15 different reflectors. This one and 1 other are all over the place. The rest of very specific and they control it. my 2 cents On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Bill wrote: > Personally, I do not like off-list responses - unless they are solicited. > If responses are made on list, we all get to learn. Off list responses do > not help the rest of us at all. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com Mon Aug 8 16:54:26 2016 From: SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com (Steve-KI4EZL) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:54:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] T1 as stopped tuning correctly. In-Reply-To: <7f1d7cbf-08e8-0947-7b3c-ad4ddf0ccbd8@embarqmail.com> References: <1470674690715-7621358.post@n2.nabble.com> <0F684436-C84F-4A2C-BB0C-BBAC1011E3CB@nc.rr.com> <7f1d7cbf-08e8-0947-7b3c-ad4ddf0ccbd8@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <4B59F228-BC4A-4ADF-8C3F-3EDD732483AB@nc.rr.com> Thanks Don. The antenna that I am using is the UltiMax 100 End Fed antenna with a 33' wire which all came from the factory as is. It has been a super antenna, worked lots of state side and DX with it and the MTR 5b radio tuning with the T1. I just spent a week with it up in the Smokes. It was hung off a 31' Jakite fiberglass extendable pole mounted up on the rear ladder of my motorhome, about 35' in the air. Thanks for helping, I appreciate it. I heard from Gary at tech support, moments ago, and he had me test some things. He thinks that there are a couple diodes gone, and offered to fix it if I send it in. I also just ordered a second T1 to use when I break one of the tuners. I have big stuff, but don't care to use them with my little qrp radios. Thanks again for your help. I have very recently purchase several little kits from Elecraft, to learn how to build and fix on. I also want to try building a very basic kit radio, then a K1. I have all the recommended tools, the adjustable Weller solder station, magnification lens and light, proper solder, etc... Hopefully, I will soon have the skill to handle this type of small repair job on my toys. I have a very nice K2 that is loaded, several little elecraft kits, and want to build a K1 soon. I am also saving up for a new factory built K3s. Take care Don, Thanks again, Steve KI4EZL > On Aug 8, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Don Wilhelm [via Elecraft] wrote: > > Steve, > > That 33 foot wire may be what is giving you problems. It is a half wave > on 20 meter and present an impedance greater than the T1 can tune. > I quote from the T1 manual: > "Avoid lengths close to a multiple of 1/2-wavelength on any band you plan to > use. If you use an end-fed wire with no feedline and/or a poor ground, > you may need to reduce power to avoid RFI problems with the transceiver, > tuner, nearby computers, portable phones, etc." > > I suggest you try a different length, or at least add a short > counterpoise wire. If you are using it on 40 meters, you definitely > need a counterpoise wire of about 33 feet. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/8/2016 2:56 PM, Steve-KI4EZL wrote: > > > Thanks Don. > > > > In the video I posted on youtube, the blinking yellow is actually the self test sending code for each value. > > > > The green light was blinking when in first step of tune mode, then touch paddle to start 2nd step of tune mode. Normally it moves around trying different tunings and latches on to the best one. Now, it just has steady tone, steady green light, flickering yellow a tiny bit, but does not try different tunings and does not latch, and does not finish the tuning, like it use to. I ran the self test and the blinking yellow light showed the following results. > > > > S=1R0, SWR > > V=8R9, BATTERY VOLTAGE > > L=0, INDUCTANCE > > C=0, CAPACITANCE > > N=t, NETWORK CONFIG > > B=0, BAND ID > > F=1R07 FIRMWARE REVISION > > > > Tested following with neg dmm lead on neg bat tab. No battery in device tested. Red DMM lead on parts ends, one at a time: > > D1: 122/0 > > D2: 122/0 > > R3: 120 / 117 > > R4: 120 / 117 > > R5: 118 / 0 > > R6: 118 / 0 > > > > Then, testing with both pos & neg DMM lead tips on each end of parts, then swapping neg for pos & vice versa, > > D1: 122 / 79 > > D2: 122 / 79 > > > >> On Aug 8, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Don Wilhelm > >> S=1R0, V=8R9, L=0, C=0, N=t, B=0, F=1R07 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/T1-as-stopped-tuning-correctly-tp7621358p7621374.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/T1-as-stopped-tuning-correctly-tp7621358p7621386.html > To unsubscribe from T1 as stopped tuning correctly., click here. > NAML -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/T1-as-stopped-tuning-correctly-tp7621358p7621390.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 17:06:48 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 16:06:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 tx Monitor on VGA? Message-ID: <0098746a-9f61-f702-52ad-bea121cb4873@gmail.com> I suspect this has been asked before, but I don't recall the answer... I note that I really enjoy the TX monitor aspects of my P3; however I miss it on the external VGA display. Is there any way to set things to get both on the external monitor? If not currently, is it on a to do list? Just wanting my cake and getting to eat it too... 73 de Dave, W5SV From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Mon Aug 8 17:12:55 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:12:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN: K6CTW In-Reply-To: References: <40947965-dfae-6b01-f4b6-8f45d8184a99@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <207cc783-5f9b-c045-a6c8-fc7fa53794c0@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Speaking as someone who provided E-Mail services for a couple of decades, NO. It's not the provider's fault. It's the customer who insists that his E-Mail address appear in a web page. It's the person who forwards jokes and cc's everyone (not bcc, cc) and never removes the earlier lists. ... and it's your friends, who can't resist opening that trojan horse -- the first thing the trojan does is read their address book and publish it. My oldest active address is more that two decades old. It's not the provider's fault, a good provider will try to guide you away from things that will generate more spam. 73 -- Lynn On 8/8/2016 10:14 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > Not my preference either, but sometimes, if your email provider makes a > mistake or doesn't take proper precautions, you can end up getting > THOUSANDS of SPAM emails a day... From w5sum at comcast.net Mon Aug 8 17:22:00 2016 From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 16:22:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 tx Monitor on VGA? In-Reply-To: <0098746a-9f61-f702-52ad-bea121cb4873@gmail.com> References: <0098746a-9f61-f702-52ad-bea121cb4873@gmail.com> Message-ID: I too would like to see this! Ronnie W5SUM Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 8, 2016, at 4:06 PM, David F. Reed wrote: > > I suspect this has been asked before, but I don't recall the answer... > > I note that I really enjoy the TX monitor aspects of my P3; however I miss it on the external VGA display. > > Is there any way to set things to get both on the external monitor? > > If not currently, is it on a to do list? > > Just wanting my cake and getting to eat it too... > > > 73 de Dave, W5SV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w5sum at comcast.net From phriendly1 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 8 17:45:58 2016 From: phriendly1 at yahoo.com (Julius Fazekas n2wn) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:45:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FS: QRP K2 plus options Message-ID: <1470692758939-7621394.post@n2.nabble.com> I have for sale one K2 QRP CW rig. 160 through 10. Includes K160X, KNB2, KAF2, KIO2, KAT2 and KBT2 with a new battery (about 2 months old). Plus more. I built and used this radio. Specifically it was for 160M CW and contesting, it excelled. Asking $795 shipped CONUS. Serial #4455 all mods done. Thanks for looking. 72, Julius n2wn ----- Julius Fazekas N2WN Tennessee Contest Group http://www.k4ro.net/tcg/index.html Tennessee QSO Party http://www.tnqp.org/ Elecraft K2 #4455 Elecraft K3/100 #366 Elecraft K3/100 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FS-QRP-K2-plus-options-tp7621394.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ed at w0yk.com Mon Aug 8 17:47:49 2016 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 14:47:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN: K6CTW Message-ID: Off-list email reduces postings for everyone.? :-) 73, Ed W0YK On Aug 8, 2016 12:51 PM, Bill wrote: > > Personally, I do not like off-list responses - unless they are > solicited. If responses are made on list, we all get to learn. Off list > responses do not help the rest of us at all. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ed at w0yk.com From phriendly1 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 8 17:49:09 2016 From: phriendly1 at yahoo.com (Julius Fazekas n2wn) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:49:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FS: LP-Pan 2 kit, partially built Message-ID: <1470692949947-7621395.post@n2.nabble.com> For Sale one LP-Pan 2 kit, partially built by me (got to the first power-up test and stopped) SN 1727 for the K3. In original box. $125 shipped CONUS. Thanks, Julius n2wn ----- Julius Fazekas N2WN Tennessee Contest Group http://www.k4ro.net/tcg/index.html Tennessee QSO Party http://www.tnqp.org/ Elecraft K2 #4455 Elecraft K3/100 #366 Elecraft K3/100 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FS-LP-Pan-2-kit-partially-built-tp7621395.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 8 18:05:39 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 15:05:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN: K6CTW In-Reply-To: <207cc783-5f9b-c045-a6c8-fc7fa53794c0@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <40947965-dfae-6b01-f4b6-8f45d8184a99@embarqmail.com> <207cc783-5f9b-c045-a6c8-fc7fa53794c0@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <00f4757e-5b3c-9678-7f78-f1ff2381ba5a@elecraft.com> Folks - This way OT topic was closed over 2 hours ago. Please, no more posts on the email/Spam filtering topic. 73, Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ On 8/8/2016 2:12 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Speaking as someone who provided E-Mail services for a couple of decades, NO. > > It's not the provider's fault. > > It's the customer who insists that his E-Mail address appear in a web page. > > It's the person who forwards jokes and cc's everyone (not bcc, cc) and never > removes the earlier lists. > > ... and it's your friends, who can't resist opening that trojan horse -- the > first thing the trojan does is read their address book and publish it. > > My oldest active address is more that two decades old. > > It's not the provider's fault, a good provider will try to guide you away from > things that will generate more spam. > > 73 -- Lynn > > On 8/8/2016 10:14 AM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Not my preference either, but sometimes, if your email provider makes a >> mistake or doesn't take proper precautions, you can end up getting >> THOUSANDS of SPAM emails a day... > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 8 18:06:18 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 15:06:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 tx Monitor on VGA? In-Reply-To: <0098746a-9f61-f702-52ad-bea121cb4873@gmail.com> References: <0098746a-9f61-f702-52ad-bea121cb4873@gmail.com> Message-ID: <82617e8f-955d-1e84-d16e-0a6481fd874d@elecraft.com> Hi David, Not at this time. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/8/2016 2:06 PM, David F. Reed wrote: > I suspect this has been asked before, but I don't recall the answer... > > I note that I really enjoy the TX monitor aspects of my P3; however I miss it > on the external VGA display. > > Is there any way to set things to get both on the external monitor? > > If not currently, is it on a to do list? > > Just wanting my cake and getting to eat it too... > > > 73 de Dave, W5SV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 8 18:08:55 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 15:08:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: My Heathkit post In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32416a71-1f90-f56d-5be9-443e88df9acb@elecraft.com> We're at 17 postings today on the OT Heathkit topic - exceeding the normal OT limit. In the interest of relieving email overload for the majority of our readers, the thread is now closed. 73, Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ On 8/8/2016 12:51 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Folks, I'm just the messenger ... only wanted to share the info that > Heathkit appears to have returned. > From lmarion at mt.net Mon Aug 8 18:18:14 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 16:18:14 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 tx Monitor on VGA? In-Reply-To: <0098746a-9f61-f702-52ad-bea121cb4873@gmail.com> References: <0098746a-9f61-f702-52ad-bea121cb4873@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0938E3499910466F9B31CD1BEB946E2F@LeroyPC> Yes there is cake. Install the SVGA option. It displays on my 27 inch display beautifully. Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: David F. Reed Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 3:06 PM To: elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] P3 tx Monitor on VGA? I suspect this has been asked before, but I don't recall the answer... I note that I really enjoy the TX monitor aspects of my P3; however I miss it on the external VGA display. Is there any way to set things to get both on the external monitor? If not currently, is it on a to do list? Just wanting my cake and getting to eat it too... 73 de Dave, W5SV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lmarion at mt.net From w2kj at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 8 18:18:41 2016 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 18:18:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: Piglet Message-ID: <9EAA69BD-3E8E-4AAB-8104-6158146C0B3F@bellsouth.net> Howdy Gang: Want to try out my iPad and KX3 on PSK/RTTY/CW using a Piglet. Does anyone have one for sale? Many thanks. 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I am From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 19:05:05 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 18:05:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 tx Monitor on VGA? In-Reply-To: <0938E3499910466F9B31CD1BEB946E2F@LeroyPC> References: <0098746a-9f61-f702-52ad-bea121cb4873@gmail.com> <0938E3499910466F9B31CD1BEB946E2F@LeroyPC> Message-ID: Leroy, I suspect you misread my post; my P3 with SVGA & TX monitor options displays the receive spectrum just fine; it does not display the TX Monitor info on either RX or TX. According to Elecraft it doesn't do that, and they didn't disclose if they have plans to do that. If somehow you have the TX monitor functions displaying on your monitor (not just on the P3), please share how you did it; I am sure a lot of us would like to know... Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV On 8/8/16 17:18, lmarion wrote: > Yes there is cake. Install the SVGA option. It displays on my 27 inch > display beautifully. > > Leroy AB7CE > > -----Original Message----- From: David F. Reed > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 3:06 PM > To: elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] P3 tx Monitor on VGA? > > I suspect this has been asked before, but I don't recall the answer... > > I note that I really enjoy the TX monitor aspects of my P3; however I > miss it on the external VGA display. > > Is there any way to set things to get both on the external monitor? > > If not currently, is it on a to do list? > > Just wanting my cake and getting to eat it too... > > > 73 de Dave, W5SV From ai6ii at comcast.net Mon Aug 8 19:45:31 2016 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 16:45:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Can K144XV output be limited ot 5 watts? Message-ID: <1470699931174-7621403.post@n2.nabble.com> I have a small 2 meter amp (RFC 2-23) that has a 5 watt max input rating. Is there a way to lower the K3 output from the normal 10 watts down to just 5 watts out? Thanks 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Can-K144XV-output-be-limited-ot-5-watts-tp7621403.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cautery at montac.com Mon Aug 8 19:47:58 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 18:47:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN: K6CTW In-Reply-To: <69207b5c-b888-acd5-6ac6-606ac048c076@subich.com> References: <938776a6-2f1b-2df5-57ea-465c1c40b5c8@montac.com> <69207b5c-b888-acd5-6ac6-606ac048c076@subich.com> Message-ID: <75a184a9-c56b-40c2-3eea-48b752a505fe@montac.com> Dang... tough crowd... Thought we were supposed to be "helpful" here. Perhaps you (or one of the other guys) could have explained greylisting and other options rather than getting all crotchety... I'm out... TO THE OP: IF you see this, feel free to email me directly. I will discuss your options for combating SPAM, up to and including providing you with a free email account on one of my servers. Y'all have a great evening! 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/8/2016 1:55 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > How could he anticipate that YOU personally would respond... :-) > > That's not the point. When you post a general request for help (e.g., > to a mail list), don't be blocking replies *or* expect someone trying > to help you to go take *extra steps* to respond to an e-mail challenge. > > If I get one of those challenges, it automatically goes into my spam > bucket and the person who has asked for help loses out - period. So > too does anyone who has an e-mail provider that blocks my ISP. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV From cautery at montac.com Mon Aug 8 20:08:11 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 19:08:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 tx Monitor on VGA? In-Reply-To: References: <0098746a-9f61-f702-52ad-bea121cb4873@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2eed1300-1741-fa3a-7fba-6f312290b015@montac.com> Me too!!! For sure!!! ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/8/2016 4:22 PM, Ronnie Hull wrote: > I too would like to see this! > > Ronnie W5SUM > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 8, 2016, at 4:06 PM, David F. Reed wrote: >> >> I suspect this has been asked before, but I don't recall the answer... >> >> I note that I really enjoy the TX monitor aspects of my P3; however I miss it on the external VGA display. >> >> Is there any way to set things to get both on the external monitor? >> >> If not currently, is it on a to do list? >> >> Just wanting my cake and getting to eat it too... >> >> >> 73 de Dave, W5SV >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w5sum at comcast.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From ditzian at windstream.net Mon Aug 8 20:11:22 2016 From: ditzian at windstream.net (Jan Ditzian) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 20:11:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3 boards wanted--redux Message-ID: I asked for help with my K3 to computer connection on this reflector, and then asked for a used set of KIO3 boards. John, KH7T, was nice enough to send me his old set of KIO3 boards for free. I replaced my boards, and, while I was at it, looked at the original set for fried chokes (they taste best when fried), because, Keith, WE6R, an Elecraft tech, suggested that these might be the problem. The result is that I still have the problem, but did not get to enjoy fried chokes. To recap: 1. Following a power surge, my K3 continued to operate, but no longer spoke or listened to the computer to which it was connected. 2. I bought a new serial-to-USB converter from Elecraft, and tried it with the K3, using my main computer and a also an older Acer netbook. 3. I checked to see if the USB ports were bad, but other devices work in the same ports. 4. I then replaced the KIO3 boards with the new ones and repeated the check. Nothing has made a difference. I test by trying to connect with the Elecraft K3 utility that has worked before. My next step will be to contact Elecraft and send the radio to them, meaning a *minimum* service charge of $100, plus parts, plus insured shipping both ways, unless someone on this reflector has deeper ears than I have and can pull something else out of them. Thanks to all for their help and offers of replacement boards. 73, Jan, KX2A From SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com Mon Aug 8 20:30:26 2016 From: SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com (SNielsen3 at nc.rr.com) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 20:30:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] T1 not tuning - Thanks everyone for your help! Message-ID: <97424BDE-75DE-431A-8A0F-1CFB96C18C45@nc.rr.com> Video has been removed because there is no more problem. Elecraft is taking care of tuner under the warranty. 73, Steve KI4EZL From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon Aug 8 22:34:22 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 21:34:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Heath kit and the Lazarus Loop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I seem to remember a 2 meter mobile that got recalled and shredded per FCC direction not long before the company closed down. Dick, n0ce Ohm sweet Ohm On 8/8/2016 2:47 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > I remembered Heathkit as having first been an airframe manufacturer which got into electronics after the War. I just checked the history, one version of which can be found here: http://www.heathkit.nu/heathkit_nu_HeathStory.html. > > Apparently the company was sold to Daystrom as early as 1955. Zenith bought it in 1979, after the company had diversified far afield from the electronics kit market. My first TX was a DX-20, which I built in 1957. I remember later kits coming out into at least the middle 70s. My last one was an HW-101, more or less 1973, and there were several years of good kits after that. So it lasted at least that long under Daystrom, a substantial corporation by that time. > > It may be that Heath?s demise came less from a lack of entrepreneurship than from a lack of focus on the market where it had mastered its route to success. The introduction of personal computers at around the same time probably played a role as well. It would be interesting to know whether any of the MBAs on the list know of a Heath Inc. B-school case. > > The ?Lazarus Loop? may be well named ? apparently the company had cycled through bankruptcy more than once even in its early days. The site noted above tells the tale. > > R.I.P. > > Ted, KN1CBR > From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Aug 8 23:13:34 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 23:13:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 tx Monitor on VGA? In-Reply-To: <0938E3499910466F9B31CD1BEB946E2F@LeroyPC> References: <0098746a-9f61-f702-52ad-bea121cb4873@gmail.com> <0938E3499910466F9B31CD1BEB946E2F@LeroyPC> Message-ID: Really. The TXMON on SVGA? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 8, 2016, at 6:18 PM, lmarion wrote: > > Yes there is cake. Install the SVGA option. It displays on my 27 inch display beautifully. > > Leroy AB7CE > > -----Original Message----- From: David F. Reed > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 3:06 PM > To: elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] P3 tx Monitor on VGA? > > I suspect this has been asked before, but I don't recall the answer... > > I note that I really enjoy the TX monitor aspects of my P3; however I > miss it on the external VGA display. > > Is there any way to set things to get both on the external monitor? > > If not currently, is it on a to do list? > > Just wanting my cake and getting to eat it too... > > > 73 de Dave, W5SV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lmarion at mt.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From phriendly1 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 9 06:31:57 2016 From: phriendly1 at yahoo.com (Julius Fazekas n2wn) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 03:31:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FS: LP-Pan 2 kit, partially built In-Reply-To: <1470692949947-7621395.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470692949947-7621395.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1470738717763-7621410.post@n2.nabble.com> This has been sold thanks. ----- Julius Fazekas N2WN Tennessee Contest Group http://www.k4ro.net/tcg/index.html Tennessee QSO Party http://www.tnqp.org/ Elecraft K2 #4455 Elecraft K3/100 #366 Elecraft K3/100 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FS-LP-Pan-2-kit-partially-built-tp7621395p7621410.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Tue Aug 9 08:17:33 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 05:17:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Diversity Setup Question Message-ID: <1470745053924-7621411.post@n2.nabble.com> My factory-built K3S with KAT3A ATU and KRX3A SubRX was assembled in default configuration, with the SubRx antenna connected to AUX RF-bnc. I might switch the SubRx to the KAT3A some day, as both antennas are TX, but am trying to set up for Diversity Rx now and having problems. I have two TX antennas - a 102ft G5RV ~40ft up N-S and a 43ft Vertical ~75ft away, both with remote ATUs at base. With G5RV on ANT1 and 43Vert on ANT2, all works fine. For Diversity RX, since the SubRX connects the AUX RX-bnc, I've tried moving the 43Vert over to the AUX RF IN bnc jack. CONFIG KRX3 is set to Ant=bnc. I'm not quite sure which buttons to select to get Diversity mode working. With ANT set to ANT1, I select DIV (long-press SUB) and see SUB on display between VFOA & VFOB and decimal blinking, but hear only in my left ear. What might I be missing? Thanks, 73s, BRET/KC1CJN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-Diversity-Setup-Question-tp7621411.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From willis.mj at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 08:40:07 2016 From: willis.mj at gmail.com (AD6XY) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 05:40:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Unexpected Band / Mode switching Message-ID: <1470746407382-7621412.post@n2.nabble.com> I have a fairly elderly K3, SN500s. I have noticed recently that occasionally when I hit the band up switch the mode changes but the band doesn't. Seems to be getting more frequent. Is this a common problem and is there a fix? Mike -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Unexpected-Band-Mode-switching-tp7621412.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ditzian at windstream.net Tue Aug 9 09:23:44 2016 From: ditzian at windstream.net (Jan Ditzian) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 09:23:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3 boards wanted--redux Message-ID: <58555124-2bd1-0231-de7b-ca40b320111c@windstream.net> Barry, Main computer works. Netbook works. Main computer uses USB wifi, so I would not be looking at the reflector if USB were broken. Netbook has full function, including USB devices. 73, Jan, KX2A On 8/9/2016 3:58 AM, Barry Simpson wrote: > Hi Jan > > Are you sure that your computer is not fried ? > > Barry VK2BJ > From kengkopp at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 09:32:55 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 07:32:55 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Diversity Setup Question In-Reply-To: <1470745053924-7621411.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470745053924-7621411.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Bret, The aftermarket K3s book by KE7X covers the matter ... and many others ... nicely. See the Elecraft web page for information. 73 Ken - K0PP On Aug 9, 2016 06:19, "MaverickNH" wrote: > My factory-built K3S with KAT3A ATU and KRX3A SubRX was assembled in > default > configuration, with the SubRx antenna connected to AUX RF-bnc. I might > switch the SubRx to the KAT3A some day, as both antennas are TX, but am > trying to set up for Diversity Rx now and having problems. > > I have two TX antennas - a 102ft G5RV ~40ft up N-S and a 43ft Vertical > ~75ft > away, both with remote ATUs at base. With G5RV on ANT1 and 43Vert on ANT2, > all works fine. > > For Diversity RX, since the SubRX connects the AUX RX-bnc, I've tried > moving > the 43Vert over to the AUX RF IN bnc jack. CONFIG KRX3 is set to Ant=bnc. > > I'm not quite sure which buttons to select to get Diversity mode working. > With ANT set to ANT1, I select DIV (long-press SUB) and see SUB on display > between VFOA & VFOB and decimal blinking, but hear only in my left ear. > > What might I be missing? > > Thanks, 73s, > > BRET/KC1CJN > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > nabble.com/K3S-Diversity-Setup-Question-tp7621411.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 9 09:58:29 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 13:58:29 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Diversity Setup Question In-Reply-To: <1470745053924-7621411.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470745053924-7621411.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <00b001d1f246$1c604a00$5520de00$@sbcglobal.net> Bret, You have to switch the sub-receiver from the main antenna to the aux antenna. To do that go to BSET and press the ANT button. That will show which antenna the sub is on. It should say MAIN. Press ANT again and it should say AUX. Press BSET again to return to the VFO A display. Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of MaverickNH Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:18 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Diversity Setup Question My factory-built K3S with KAT3A ATU and KRX3A SubRX was assembled in default configuration, with the SubRx antenna connected to AUX RF-bnc. I might switch the SubRx to the KAT3A some day, as both antennas are TX, but am trying to set up for Diversity Rx now and having problems. I have two TX antennas - a 102ft G5RV ~40ft up N-S and a 43ft Vertical ~75ft away, both with remote ATUs at base. With G5RV on ANT1 and 43Vert on ANT2, all works fine. For Diversity RX, since the SubRX connects the AUX RX-bnc, I've tried moving the 43Vert over to the AUX RF IN bnc jack. CONFIG KRX3 is set to Ant=bnc. I'm not quite sure which buttons to select to get Diversity mode working. With ANT set to ANT1, I select DIV (long-press SUB) and see SUB on display between VFOA & VFOB and decimal blinking, but hear only in my left ear. What might I be missing? Thanks, 73s, BRET/KC1CJN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-Diversity-Setup-Question-tp7621411. html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From ai6ii at comcast.net Tue Aug 9 10:03:44 2016 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 07:03:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Can K144XV output be limited ot 5 watts?-IGNORE In-Reply-To: <1470699931174-7621403.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470699931174-7621403.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1470751424576-7621416.post@n2.nabble.com> Never mind I found it. 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Can-K144XV-output-be-limited-ot-5-watts-tp7621403p7621416.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 9 10:04:44 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:04:44 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Unexpected Band / Mode switching In-Reply-To: <1470746407382-7621412.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470746407382-7621412.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <00b101d1f246$fbbb8ca0$f332a5e0$@sbcglobal.net> Mike, Your problem is most likely the front panel connectors. This is a known problem for early K3s. Early K3s had tin connectors between the front panel and RF board. Elecraft switched to gold connectors around serial #4000. I just had my serial #3505 in for upgrades and they switched the connectors while they had it. You can contact Elecraft and they will send you the gold connectors for you to switch out yourself or send the radio back to Elecraft and they will change them for you if you are uncomfortable doing it yourself. Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of AD6XY Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Unexpected Band / Mode switching I have a fairly elderly K3, SN500s. I have noticed recently that occasionally when I hit the band up switch the mode changes but the band doesn't. Seems to be getting more frequent. Is this a common problem and is there a fix? Mike -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Unexpected-Band-Mode-switching-tp762141 2.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From willis.mj at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 10:06:36 2016 From: willis.mj at gmail.com (Mike Willis) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 15:06:36 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Unexpected Band / Mode switching In-Reply-To: <00b101d1f246$fbbb8ca0$f332a5e0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <1470746407382-7621412.post@n2.nabble.com> <00b101d1f246$fbbb8ca0$f332a5e0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <17d401d1f247$3e54f510$bafedf30$@gmail.com> Thanks - makes sense. Presumably tarnishing. Couldn't I just clean them? -----Original Message----- From: Mark E. Musick [mailto:markmusick at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 3:05 PM To: 'AD6XY' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Unexpected Band / Mode switching Mike, Your problem is most likely the front panel connectors. This is a known problem for early K3s. Early K3s had tin connectors between the front panel and RF board. Elecraft switched to gold connectors around serial #4000. I just had my serial #3505 in for upgrades and they switched the connectors while they had it. You can contact Elecraft and they will send you the gold connectors for you to switch out yourself or send the radio back to Elecraft and they will change them for you if you are uncomfortable doing it yourself. Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of AD6XY Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Unexpected Band / Mode switching I have a fairly elderly K3, SN500s. I have noticed recently that occasionally when I hit the band up switch the mode changes but the band doesn't. Seems to be getting more frequent. Is this a common problem and is there a fix? Mike -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Unexpected-Band-Mode-switching-tp762141 2.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From makidoja at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 10:39:05 2016 From: makidoja at gmail.com (James Balls) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 15:39:05 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Diversity Setup Question In-Reply-To: References: <1470745053924-7621411.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8ed8461b-5c02-4f20-9e0f-dbf29b9336e6@typeapp.com> Turn off sp+phone Make sure spkrs = 1 Make sure volume and rf gain for sub RX are set Done Sent from BlueMail On 9 Aug 2016, 14:33, at 14:33, Ken G Kopp wrote: >Bret, > >The aftermarket K3s book by KE7X covers the matter ... and many others >... >nicely. See the Elecraft web page for information. > >73 > >Ken - K0PP > >On Aug 9, 2016 06:19, "MaverickNH" wrote: > >> My factory-built K3S with KAT3A ATU and KRX3A SubRX was assembled in >> default >> configuration, with the SubRx antenna connected to AUX RF-bnc. I >might >> switch the SubRx to the KAT3A some day, as both antennas are TX, but >am >> trying to set up for Diversity Rx now and having problems. >> >> I have two TX antennas - a 102ft G5RV ~40ft up N-S and a 43ft >Vertical >> ~75ft >> away, both with remote ATUs at base. With G5RV on ANT1 and 43Vert on >ANT2, >> all works fine. >> >> For Diversity RX, since the SubRX connects the AUX RX-bnc, I've tried >> moving >> the 43Vert over to the AUX RF IN bnc jack. CONFIG KRX3 is set to >Ant=bnc. >> >> I'm not quite sure which buttons to select to get Diversity mode >working. >> With ANT set to ANT1, I select DIV (long-press SUB) and see SUB on >display >> between VFOA & VFOB and decimal blinking, but hear only in my left >ear. >> >> What might I be missing? >> >> Thanks, 73s, >> >> BRET/KC1CJN >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. >> nabble.com/K3S-Diversity-Setup-Question-tp7621411.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >> >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to makidoja at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 9 10:39:41 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 10:39:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Diversity Setup Question In-Reply-To: <1470745053924-7621411.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470745053924-7621411.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <57d8b464-2f34-7868-1ba8-2a362fda4929@embarqmail.com> Bret, To use two TX capable antennas, you connect the subRX AUX antenna connection to the TMP connector on the KAT3, and set the K3 KRX3 menu to "ANT=ATU". The non-transmit antenna will be used by the subRX whenever you set the subRX antenna to AUX. If you want to use a low noise receive antenna, you would connect that antenna to the BNC jack, but you need to physically connect the TMP cable from that BNC jack to the subRX AUX TMP connector. A very clever installation was shown to me by Guy K2AV. Guy has both receive antennas and multiple TX antennas that he uses for diversity receive, and changing the internal TMP cables is certainly not something he wants to do frequently. Note - K2AV does not have the K144XV installed in his K3. So Guy put the fan panel for the K144XV on his K3 (Elecraft p/n E100288 for a K3/100, p/n E100215 for a K3/10) and installed the K144 TMP-BNC cable assembly (Elecraft p/n E850378) between the TMP connector on the KAT3 and the BNC jack hole in the fan panel. Of course that TMP-BNC cable is too long for the distance, but it can be rolled up and secured with a ty-wrap. The normal subRX BNC to Sub AUX cable is in place. To operate from a receiving antenna, the antenna is connected normally to the BNC jack for the subRX AUX antenna, and the K3 KRX3 menu is set to "ANT=BNC" and the subRX antenna is set to AUX. To operate using the non-transmit antenna, connect a short BNC to BNC jumper between the AUX ANT BNC and the added BNC jack in the fan panel, then set the K3 KRX3 menu to ANT=ATU and set the subRX antenna to AUX. If you make that change between the non-transmit antenna and a receiving antenna frequently, an antenna switch between the BNC connectors and a couple of K3 macros would make the changes easily. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/9/2016 8:17 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > My factory-built K3S with KAT3A ATU and KRX3A SubRX was assembled in default > configuration, with the SubRx antenna connected to AUX RF-bnc. I might > switch the SubRx to the KAT3A some day, as both antennas are TX, but am > trying to set up for Diversity Rx now and having problems. > > I have two TX antennas - a 102ft G5RV ~40ft up N-S and a 43ft Vertical ~75ft > away, both with remote ATUs at base. With G5RV on ANT1 and 43Vert on ANT2, > all works fine. > > For Diversity RX, since the SubRX connects the AUX RX-bnc, I've tried moving > the 43Vert over to the AUX RF IN bnc jack. CONFIG KRX3 is set to Ant=bnc. > > I'm not quite sure which buttons to select to get Diversity mode working. > With ANT set to ANT1, I select DIV (long-press SUB) and see SUB on display > between VFOA & VFOB and decimal blinking, but hear only in my left ear. > > What might I be missing? > > Thanks, 73s, > > BRET/KC1CJN > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-Diversity-Setup-Question-tp7621411.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 9 10:50:10 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 10:50:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Unexpected Band / Mode switching In-Reply-To: <17d401d1f247$3e54f510$bafedf30$@gmail.com> References: <1470746407382-7621412.post@n2.nabble.com> <00b101d1f246$fbbb8ca0$f332a5e0$@sbcglobal.net> <17d401d1f247$3e54f510$bafedf30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7366adb3-c1bb-ffff-6434-f379aee4d4fe@embarqmail.com> Mike, Cleaning is a temporary fix. Changing to the gold pins is a permanent solution. You could try just removing the front panel and putting it back on. The wiping action that results will clean oxidation from the pins. Do that as a temporary fix. The real fix is to change to the gold pin connectors. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/9/2016 10:06 AM, Mike Willis wrote: > Thanks - makes sense. Presumably tarnishing. Couldn't I just clean them? > > From kevin at k4vd.net Tue Aug 9 11:00:12 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 11:00:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 PSK-31 IMD on Low Batteries Message-ID: I probably should have expected this and took action before anyone had to mention it. I was using a KX3 on internal battery. I was running PSK-31 using DATA-A at 3 watts. I use an external soundcard (ASUS Xonar U7) and the laptop is an HP Spectre running Win10 and DXLab suite. Rig control and the sound card run off a USB hub. Antenna is a 160 meter OCF and I was on 40 meters. The last QSO was with Eric KB3CNK. He's a few hundred miles from me. He reported my signal was strong but that he saw some harmonics or splatter on his waterfall. I immediately backed down on the audio a little bit (5th bar flickering to 4th bar flickering) but he said it made no difference. My next thought is some RF getting back into the audio which, with an OCF, wouldn't be unheard of. I wasn't looking forward to tracking that down. I've got puka beads at the feed and rig ends of the coax. Then I noticed my internal battery voltage was down to 8.8V key down. I put on the external battery which brought it up to 12.1V key down and he said the signal looked beautiful (still 4th bar flickering). The panic subsided. I'll need to be a little more aware of my battery voltage in the future. Viva la simple fixes. 73, Kevin K4VD From nick-wa5bdu at suddenlink.net Tue Aug 9 12:13:20 2016 From: nick-wa5bdu at suddenlink.net (Nick Kennedy) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 11:13:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Scuff marks on display cover Message-ID: <68698E76FDEA41DE8C1B86A437C2CAD5@blackmike> I?ve got some scuff / scratch marks on my KX3 display?s cover. (Yes, shame on me!) Is there any kind of buffing or cleaning agent that can fix this? Or would it be better to order a replacement from Elecraft? 73- Nick, WA5BDU From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 9 12:21:52 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 12:21:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 PSK-31 IMD on Low Batteries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3d7d2033-a8bc-535c-b58c-07fa96d6cd95@embarqmail.com> Kevin, As you noticed, the IMD of any transceiver is degraded when operating at a voltage below its design point. That fact is independent of the mode. Certainly, the KX3 will "work" down to 8 volts, but not without consequences. I do not know the design point for the KX3 PA, but I would figure it is 11 volts based on using fully charged NiMH batteries. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/9/2016 11:00 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > I probably should have expected this and took action before anyone had to > mention it. > > I was using a KX3 on internal battery. I was running PSK-31 using DATA-A at > 3 watts. I use an external soundcard (ASUS Xonar U7) and the laptop is an > HP Spectre running Win10 and DXLab suite. Rig control and the sound card > run off a USB hub. Antenna is a 160 meter OCF and I was on 40 meters. > > The last QSO was with Eric KB3CNK. He's a few hundred miles from me. He > reported my signal was strong but that he saw some harmonics or splatter on > his waterfall. > > I immediately backed down on the audio a little bit (5th bar flickering to > 4th bar flickering) but he said it made no difference. My next thought is > some RF getting back into the audio which, with an OCF, wouldn't be unheard > of. I wasn't looking forward to tracking that down. I've got puka beads at > the feed and rig ends of the coax. > > Then I noticed my internal battery voltage was down to 8.8V key down. I put > on the external battery which brought it up to 12.1V key down and he said > the signal looked beautiful (still 4th bar flickering). > > The panic subsided. I'll need to be a little more aware of my battery > voltage in the future. Viva la simple fixes. > > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 12:30:04 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 12:30:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Scuff marks on display cover In-Reply-To: <68698E76FDEA41DE8C1B86A437C2CAD5@blackmike> References: <68698E76FDEA41DE8C1B86A437C2CAD5@blackmike> Message-ID: It depends on how deep the scratches are. The easiest is Novus polish ? a sequence of three products, available as a kit from Antique Electronic Supply, Amazon, etc. This is best for minor surface scratches. Micro-mesh is also really good, and available from Aircraft Spruce and other places no doubt. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/micromeshstd.php I?ve used both products many times doing dial cover restorations, with the Micro-mesh better for deeper scratches. Of course, ordering a new window is the easiest and most foolproof. :-) Grant NQ5T > On Aug 9, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Nick Kennedy wrote: > > I?ve got some scuff / scratch marks on my KX3 display?s cover. (Yes, shame on me!) > > Is there any kind of buffing or cleaning agent that can fix this? Or would it be better to order a replacement from Elecraft? > > 73- > > Nick, WA5BDU From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 9 12:41:51 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 12:41:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Scuff marks on display cover In-Reply-To: <68698E76FDEA41DE8C1B86A437C2CAD5@blackmike> References: <68698E76FDEA41DE8C1B86A437C2CAD5@blackmike> Message-ID: <9ccd4de8-5feb-202c-70fc-a28d7a344c98@embarqmail.com> Nick, The easiest is to use a bit of oil on a cloth and rub the area with some pressure. That will take care of scuff marks, but it will not eliminate scratches that have gouged into the plastic. If the plastic surface has been gouged, I think the best thing is to order a new bezel. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/9/2016 12:13 PM, Nick Kennedy wrote: > I?ve got some scuff / scratch marks on my KX3 display?s cover. (Yes, shame on me!) > > Is there any kind of buffing or cleaning agent that can fix this? Or would it be better to order a replacement from Elecraft? > > From w2kj at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 9 12:45:05 2016 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 12:45:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: Piglet Message-ID: <292DEEE7-B0F5-4BF7-B4DC-889504886CC4@bellsouth.net> Was able to buy a Piglet....many thanks to all who offered one up for sale. 73, Joe W2KJ From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Tue Aug 9 14:50:02 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 11:50:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Diversity Setup Question In-Reply-To: <57d8b464-2f34-7868-1ba8-2a362fda4929@embarqmail.com> References: <1470745053924-7621411.post@n2.nabble.com> <57d8b464-2f34-7868-1ba8-2a362fda4929@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1470768602604-7621428.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks all - looks like a combination of the above got things working OK. I can hear the voices moving around in my head, which would be a bad sign in any other case, but a good sign for Diversity RX! ;-) Don, I'll open the case and have a look around to consider that solution K2AV came up with - very innovative! Bret/KC1CJN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-Diversity-Setup-Question-tp7621411p7621428.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ron at cobi.biz Tue Aug 9 16:46:28 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 13:46:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Scuff marks on display cover In-Reply-To: <9ccd4de8-5feb-202c-70fc-a28d7a344c98@embarqmail.com> References: <68698E76FDEA41DE8C1B86A437C2CAD5@blackmike> <9ccd4de8-5feb-202c-70fc-a28d7a344c98@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <003501d1f27f$1a90ca40$4fb25ec0$@biz> A slightly more aggressive approach is to pick up the headlight lens cleaner sold at most automobile stores - the stuff that takes the "yellow" haze off of plastic headlight covers. It's also sold for use on aircraft windshields to polish out the scratches that inevitably come from charging through the air at 150 mph or so (but that costs 10X as much because it is sold for use on "airplanes"). All you do is wipe it on, rubbing aggressively with a cloth and then, as it turns white, wipe it off. I've read of people using toothpaste with the same result. (And then you'd have a fluoride protected lens that won't get tooth decay.) 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 9:42 AM To: Nick Kennedy; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3: Scuff marks on display cover Nick, The easiest is to use a bit of oil on a cloth and rub the area with some pressure. That will take care of scuff marks, but it will not eliminate scratches that have gouged into the plastic. If the plastic surface has been gouged, I think the best thing is to order a new bezel. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/9/2016 12:13 PM, Nick Kennedy wrote: > I?ve got some scuff / scratch marks on my KX3 display?s cover. (Yes, > shame on me!) > > Is there any kind of buffing or cleaning agent that can fix this? Or would it be better to order a replacement from Elecraft? > > From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Tue Aug 9 16:54:04 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 20:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Scuff marks on display cover In-Reply-To: <003501d1f27f$1a90ca40$4fb25ec0$@biz> References: <68698E76FDEA41DE8C1B86A437C2CAD5@blackmike> <9ccd4de8-5feb-202c-70fc-a28d7a344c98@embarqmail.com> <003501d1f27f$1a90ca40$4fb25ec0$@biz> Message-ID: <116195917.11930154.1470776044855.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I found that putting the clear shipping tape on the display before going into the rough will save the display.? Mel, K6KBE From: Ron D'Eau Claire To: 'Nick Kennedy' ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3: Scuff marks on display cover A slightly more aggressive approach is to pick up the headlight lens cleaner sold at most automobile stores - the stuff that takes the "yellow" haze off of plastic headlight covers. It's also sold for use on aircraft windshields to polish out the scratches that inevitably come from charging through the air at 150 mph or so (but that costs 10X as much because it is sold for use on "airplanes"). All you do is wipe it on, rubbing aggressively with a cloth and then, as it turns white, wipe it off. I've read of people using toothpaste with the same result. (And then you'd have a fluoride protected lens that won't get tooth decay.) 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 9:42 AM To: Nick Kennedy; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3: Scuff marks on display cover Nick, The easiest is to use a bit of oil on a cloth and rub the area with some pressure. That will take care of scuff marks, but it will not eliminate scratches that have gouged into the plastic. If the plastic surface has been gouged, I think the best thing is to order a new bezel. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/9/2016 12:13 PM, Nick Kennedy wrote: > I?ve got some scuff / scratch marks on my KX3 display?s cover. (Yes, > shame on me!) > > Is there any kind of buffing or cleaning agent that can fix this? Or would it be better to order a replacement from Elecraft? > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Tue Aug 9 16:56:14 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 13:56:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes In-Reply-To: <2ea34e01-3c36-9614-34a6-e0baf63e9f75@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <57a6cc2e.4840620a.4ed61.f4c4@mx.google.com> <2ea34e01-3c36-9614-34a6-e0baf63e9f75@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1470776174752-7621430.post@n2.nabble.com> Just wondering - short of +/- RF Burns and Audible Noice, can one readily detect/measure Common Mode Current on a coax antenna feedline? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Common-mode-chokes-tp7621305p7621430.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Tue Aug 9 17:10:42 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:10:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes In-Reply-To: <1470776174752-7621430.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <57a6cc2e.4840620a.4ed61.f4c4@mx.google.com> <2ea34e01-3c36-9614-34a6-e0baf63e9f75@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1470776174752-7621430.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1470777042009-7621431.post@n2.nabble.com> Further (apologies, I should have thunk it through before posting): Based on http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/chokes/ which may or may not be well-accepted, which choke configuration would you choose for "Best"? I'm actually fond of two chokes in series to address the 1.8-30MHz range, but am still pondering which two? At a hefty pre-made price, one can have 160-40m & 40-10m http://palomar-engineers.com/antenna-products/1-1-balun-kits/super-choker, albeit with no transparency of composition. What cost of of Low SNR? Thousands$$$ spent on Transceivers/Antennas and $100s on chokes? BRET/KC1CJN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Common-mode-chokes-tp7621305p7621431.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Aug 9 17:13:05 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:13:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes In-Reply-To: <1470776174752-7621430.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <57a6cc2e.4840620a.4ed61.f4c4@mx.google.com> <2ea34e01-3c36-9614-34a6-e0baf63e9f75@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1470776174752-7621430.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0f5bb17b-a29b-bf3e-8be4-ead4b34a983d@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,8/9/2016 1:56 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > Just wondering - short of +/- RF Burns and Audible Noice, can one readily > detect/measure Common Mode Current on a coax antenna feedline? Yes. A calibrated RF current probe coupled to the outside of the coax can easily measure common mode current. Here are a couple of easy ways to do it. http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek/clamp-on/clamp-on.htm Note that because the coax is acting as part of an antenna for common mode current, the current will vary along the line just as it would for any other antenna. For example, the coax a simple wire dipole in an earth-based station acts as a wire connected between the shield side of the dipole and ground, with the length of the wire equal to the physical length of the coax, and oriented in space as the actual coax is routed. 73, Jim K9YC From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Tue Aug 9 17:13:14 2016 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 22:13:14 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes In-Reply-To: <1470776174752-7621430.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <57a6cc2e.4840620a.4ed61.f4c4@mx.google.com> <2ea34e01-3c36-9614-34a6-e0baf63e9f75@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1470776174752-7621430.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <034001d1f282$dca47250$95ed56f0$@co.uk> > >Just wondering - short of +/- RF Burns and Audible Noice, can one readily >detect/measure Common Mode Current on a coax antenna feedline? > Google for: clamp-on rf current meter http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek/clamp-on/clamp-on.htm This review of two MFJ products (one good, one awful) may also be useful: http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek/clamp-on/mfj-reviews.pdf 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >MaverickNH >Sent: 09 August 2016 21:56 >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes > >Just wondering - short of +/- RF Burns and Audible Noice, can one readily >detect/measure Common Mode Current on a coax antenna feedline? > > > >-- >View this message in context: >http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Common-mode-chokes- >tp7621305p7621430.html >Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From josh at voodoolab.com Tue Aug 9 17:15:43 2016 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:15:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes In-Reply-To: <1470776174752-7621430.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <57a6cc2e.4840620a.4ed61.f4c4@mx.google.com> <2ea34e01-3c36-9614-34a6-e0baf63e9f75@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1470776174752-7621430.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <25b69c0a-9ace-b17a-469b-20d3a7db43db@voodoolab.com> Add another winding to a choke and it magically becomes a transformer! 73, Josh W6XU On 8/9/2016 1:56 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > Just wondering - short of +/- RF Burns and Audible Noice, can one readily > detect/measure Common Mode Current on a coax antenna feedline? > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Common-mode-chokes-tp7621305p7621430.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to josh at voodoolab.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 9 17:30:21 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 17:30:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes In-Reply-To: <1470777042009-7621431.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <57a6cc2e.4840620a.4ed61.f4c4@mx.google.com> <2ea34e01-3c36-9614-34a6-e0baf63e9f75@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1470776174752-7621430.post@n2.nabble.com> <1470777042009-7621431.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3fa12a68-690c-c9ea-5d82-3ac5c5dc9a52@embarqmail.com> Bret, Refer to the K9YC (Jim Brown) paper on RFI, Ferrites, Baluns and Audio Interfacing for "good" baluns. http://www.audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf. For common mode chokes (baluns), look particularly at Chapter 7 of that document. A stack of 5 FT240-31 cores and a length of coax sufficient to wind 5 to 7 turns through the cores is generally less expensive (and more effective) than the cost of commercial baluns or "in-line isolators". 73, Don W3FPR On 8/9/2016 5:10 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > Further (apologies, I should have thunk it through before posting): > > Based on http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/chokes/ which may or may not be > well-accepted, which choke configuration would you choose for "Best"? I'm > actually fond of two chokes in series to address the 1.8-30MHz range, but am > still pondering which two? At a hefty pre-made price, one can have 160-40m & > 40-10m > http://palomar-engineers.com/antenna-products/1-1-balun-kits/super-choker, > albeit with no transparency of composition. What cost of of Low SNR? > Thousands$$$ spent on Transceivers/Antennas and $100s on chokes? > > From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Tue Aug 9 17:38:22 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:38:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes In-Reply-To: <0f5bb17b-a29b-bf3e-8be4-ead4b34a983d@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <57a6cc2e.4840620a.4ed61.f4c4@mx.google.com> <2ea34e01-3c36-9614-34a6-e0baf63e9f75@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1470776174752-7621430.post@n2.nabble.com> <0f5bb17b-a29b-bf3e-8be4-ead4b34a983d@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: W8JI also describes one and how to calibrate it. http://w8ji.com/building_a_current_meter.htm Eric KE6US On Tue,8/9/2016 1:56 PM, MaverickNH wrote: >> Just wondering - short of +/- RF Burns and Audible Noice, can one >> readily >> detect/measure Common Mode Current on a coax antenna feedline? > From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Tue Aug 9 17:41:16 2016 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 22:41:16 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes In-Reply-To: <25b69c0a-9ace-b17a-469b-20d3a7db43db@voodoolab.com> References: <57a6cc2e.4840620a.4ed61.f4c4@mx.google.com> <2ea34e01-3c36-9614-34a6-e0baf63e9f75@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1470776174752-7621430.post@n2.nabble.com> <25b69c0a-9ace-b17a-469b-20d3a7db43db@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: <035a01d1f286$c765ebe0$5631c3a0$@co.uk> > >Add another winding to a choke and it magically becomes a transformer! > Unfortunately that doesn't work for RF current measurement. The objective for a choke is to create a high series impedance, but the objective for an RF current transformer is exactly the opposite: to avoid disturbing the situation that is being measured, the impedance inserted into the main line must be as low as possible. To achieve a low impedance in the main line, an RF current transformer requires *ONE* pass of the primary winding (feedline) through the core and typically about 10 turns on the secondary. The secondary must also be terminated in a low load resistance, typically about 50 ohms. With a 1:10 turns ratio the series impedance inserted into the main line is then about 0.5 ohms. That is why a common-mode choke and a common-mode current transformer are two completely different creatures. Don't confuse them. 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Josh Fiden >Sent: 09 August 2016 22:16 >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes > >Add another winding to a choke and it magically becomes a transformer! > >73, >Josh W6XU > >On 8/9/2016 1:56 PM, MaverickNH wrote: >> Just wondering - short of +/- RF Burns and Audible Noice, can one readily >> detect/measure Common Mode Current on a coax antenna feedline? >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Common-mode-chokes- >tp7621305p7621430.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to josh at voodoolab.com >> > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From richard at inparadise.us Tue Aug 9 18:17:53 2016 From: richard at inparadise.us (Richard Fagar) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 18:17:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 build problem Message-ID: Thank you in advance for your help. I built a KX1, though I had it working on 20-40 as I could receive great and made a few contacts. No idea what the power level was. I added the 30 80 board and finally the tuner. The tuner is showing .4 watts topps. I don't have a wattmeter, however someone showed how to use a diode - capacitor and multimeter to get a good aproximation. Again I am getting from .3 to .5 watts. I have done the power mod, so I started to look at voltages. All are good except Q7 which should have a base voltage in tune of .7 volts. I am getting a negative .7 .8 volts depending on band. Since this transistor seems to be acting as a switch driven by a line driver, driven by the MCU, I am wondering if it is safe to lift a leg of the resistor feeding it and see what shows up. I am fearfull of dumping high level rf into somewhere it shouldn't be by doing this. Has anyone else had this problem? Looking for any help or solutions. Thank you, Richard KK4UFY From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 9 19:01:03 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 19:01:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 build problem In-Reply-To: <20160809221925.1147D149B4B4@mailman.qth.net> References: <20160809221925.1147D149B4B4@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: Richard, Do not lift the leg of R28, it will not do any good. You might want to re-flow the soldering of R28 and see what happens. I don't understand how you have a negative DC voltage at the base of Q7. That base voltage comes from the 6T voltage rail in the KX1 and then flows through R28. Measure the voltage at both ends of R28. During transmit, one end should be about 6 volts and the other end should be near 0.7 volts (the base to emitter voltage of a typical transistor). In other words, Q7 should be saturated which places the capacitor CA and (depending on the band) C26 in parallel with the input of the Low Pass Filter into the LPF circuit while protecting the receiver front end from the TX RF. If that does not happen, the LPF will not be tuned properly. Measure again carefully and if still not in line with the expected voltages, replace Q7. On the low RF output, if you have an oscilloscope with a 10X probe or an RF Probe, I can give you comparison RF voltage readings at each relevant point in the transmit chain. If you want to do that, perhaps it is best we take this off-reflector and do it via private email. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/9/2016 6:17 PM, Richard Fagar wrote: > Thank you in advance for your help. I built a KX1, though I had it working > on 20-40 as I could receive great and made a few contacts. No idea what the > power level was. I added the 30 80 board and finally the tuner. The tuner > is showing .4 watts topps. I don't have a wattmeter, however someone showed > how to use a diode - capacitor and multimeter to get a good aproximation. > Again I am getting from .3 to .5 watts. I have done the power mod, so I > started to look at voltages. All are good except Q7 which should have a > base voltage in tune of .7 volts. I am getting a negative .7 .8 volts > depending on band. Since this transistor seems to be acting as a switch > driven by a line driver, driven by the MCU, I am wondering if it is safe to > lift a leg of the resistor feeding it and see what shows up. I am fearfull > of dumping high level rf into somewhere it shouldn't be by doing this. > > Has anyone else had this problem? Looking for any help or solutions. > > Thank you, > Richard KK4UFY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From lew at n6lew.us Tue Aug 9 19:08:16 2016 From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:08:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Heath kit and the Lazarus Loop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40076FAD-3207-43B0-821C-61766D7BC91A@n6lew.us> Heathkit was at the forefront of the personal computer revolution. Their H-8 was one of the earliest 8-bit computers, and the H-89 one of the first Z-80 machines, as well as being the first ?all in one? computer that combined the keyboard, monitor, and processor into a single enclosure. I used an H-89 as a word processor for a number of years, upgrading it with aftermarket products (which were plentiful) to the first-ever silicon drive, in lieu of a 5 inch floppy. It didn?t have ?permanent? memory, so you had to copy files a a floppy before shutting down, but it sure accelerated the word processing speed. The Z-80 (an enhanced 8080 chip made by Zilog) addressed 64K of memory, and the operating system (CP/M) used about 39K, which didn?t leave much space for the word processing app and the document file. There was a lot of swapping of chunks of instruction in and out of memory. They didn?t keep up with the advances in technology forever, but I think that was due more to a lack of capital than a lack of focus. Their 16-bit machines never caught on in the face of the IBM PC onslaught. Lew N6LEW > On Aug 8, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > It may be that Heath?s demise came less from a lack of entrepreneurship than from a lack of focus on the market where it had mastered its route to success. The introduction of personal computers at around the same time probably played a role as well. Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 Yaesu FT-7800 Lew at N6LEW.US www.n6lew.us Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart. From ab2e at hotmail.com Tue Aug 9 22:19:39 2016 From: ab2e at hotmail.com (AB2E Darrell) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 02:19:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Using K3 w/AS original Bandmaster band decoder Message-ID: Hello, I just purchased a used Bandmaster (Array Solutions) band decoder. The manual does not have any settings listed for Elecraft. Could someone using a K3/original Bandmaster combo please email me offlist and let me know which settings you used? There is a one line mention of using a K2 with the Kenwood setting but no details. Thanks and 73, Darrell AB2E From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Tue Aug 9 22:26:15 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 19:26:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Scuff marks on display cover In-Reply-To: <68698E76FDEA41DE8C1B86A437C2CAD5@blackmike> References: <68698E76FDEA41DE8C1B86A437C2CAD5@blackmike> Message-ID: <1470795975965-7621442.post@n2.nabble.com> This may help in weighing your options, E100403 / KX3 Bezel, $27.24 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Scuff-marks-on-display-cover-tp7621423p7621442.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From va3mw at portcredit.net Tue Aug 9 22:55:08 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Mike va3mw) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 22:55:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Scuff marks on display cover In-Reply-To: <116195917.11930154.1470776044855.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <68698E76FDEA41DE8C1B86A437C2CAD5@blackmike> <9ccd4de8-5feb-202c-70fc-a28d7a344c98@embarqmail.com> <003501d1f27f$1a90ca40$4fb25ec0$@biz> <116195917.11930154.1470776044855.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Toothpaste. Colgate. I was taught this by a jet airplane mechanic when I was 15. That's what they used on the windscreen. Mike va3mw > On Aug 9, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > > I found that putting the clear shipping tape on the display before going into the rough will save the display. > > Mel, K6KBE > > > From: Ron D'Eau Claire > To: 'Nick Kennedy' ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3: Scuff marks on display cover > > A slightly more aggressive approach is to pick up the headlight lens cleaner sold at most automobile stores - the stuff that takes the "yellow" haze off of plastic headlight covers. It's also sold for use on aircraft windshields to polish out the scratches that inevitably come from charging through the air at 150 mph or so (but that costs 10X as much because it is sold for use on "airplanes"). > > All you do is wipe it on, rubbing aggressively with a cloth and then, as it turns white, wipe it off. > > I've read of people using toothpaste with the same result. (And then you'd have a fluoride protected lens that won't get tooth decay.) > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 9:42 AM > To: Nick Kennedy; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3: Scuff marks on display cover > > Nick, > > The easiest is to use a bit of oil on a cloth and rub the area with some pressure. > That will take care of scuff marks, but it will not eliminate scratches that have gouged into the plastic. > > If the plastic surface has been gouged, I think the best thing is to order a new bezel. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 8/9/2016 12:13 PM, Nick Kennedy wrote: >> I?ve got some scuff / scratch marks on my KX3 display?s cover. (Yes, >> shame on me!) >> >> Is there any kind of buffing or cleaning agent that can fix this? Or would it be better to order a replacement from Elecraft? > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net From riese-k3djc at juno.com Tue Aug 9 23:00:55 2016 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 23:00:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Scuff marks on display cover Message-ID: works on watch crystals too On Tue, 9 Aug 2016 22:55:08 -0400 Mike va3mw writes: > Toothpaste. > > Colgate. > > I was taught this by a jet airplane mechanic when I was 15. That's > what they used on the windscreen. > > Mike va3mw > > > On Aug 9, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft > wrote: > > > > I found that putting the clear shipping tape on the display before > going into the rough will save the display. > > > > Mel, K6KBE > > > > > > From: Ron D'Eau Claire > > To: 'Nick Kennedy' ; > Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3: Scuff marks on display cover > > > > A slightly more aggressive approach is to pick up the headlight > lens cleaner sold at most automobile stores - the stuff that takes > the "yellow" haze off of plastic headlight covers. It's also sold > for use on aircraft windshields to polish out the scratches that > inevitably come from charging through the air at 150 mph or so (but > that costs 10X as much because it is sold for use on "airplanes"). > > > > All you do is wipe it on, rubbing aggressively with a cloth and > then, as it turns white, wipe it off. > > > > I've read of people using toothpaste with the same result. (And > then you'd have a fluoride protected lens that won't get tooth > decay.) > > > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf > Of Don Wilhelm > > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 9:42 AM > > To: Nick Kennedy; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3: Scuff marks on display cover > > > > Nick, > > > > The easiest is to use a bit of oil on a cloth and rub the area > with some pressure. > > That will take care of scuff marks, but it will not eliminate > scratches that have gouged into the plastic. > > > > If the plastic surface has been gouged, I think the best thing is > to order a new bezel. > > > > 73, > > Don W3FPR > > > >> On 8/9/2016 12:13 PM, Nick Kennedy wrote: > >> I?ve got some scuff / scratch marks on my KX3 display?s > cover. (Yes, > >> shame on me!) > >> > >> Is there any kind of buffing or cleaning agent that can fix this? > Or would it be better to order a replacement from Elecraft? > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to riese-k3djc at juno.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 23:14:32 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 06:14:32 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes In-Reply-To: <1470776174752-7621430.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <57a6cc2e.4840620a.4ed61.f4c4@mx.google.com> <2ea34e01-3c36-9614-34a6-e0baf63e9f75@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1470776174752-7621430.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Here is a device I made to do that: 73, Vic, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 9 Aug 2016 23:56, MaverickNH wrote: > Just wondering - short of +/- RF Burns and Audible Noice, can one readily > detect/measure Common Mode Current on a coax antenna feedline? From wa8jxm at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 23:17:22 2016 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 23:17:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Unexpected Band / Mode switching In-Reply-To: <00b101d1f246$fbbb8ca0$f332a5e0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <1470746407382-7621412.post@n2.nabble.com> <00b101d1f246$fbbb8ca0$f332a5e0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I have recently had my K3 switch modes as I tune up the band. Like from LSB to CW. My s/n is 6000+ though. Ken WA8JXM On 8/9/16 10:04 AM, Mark E. Musick wrote: > Your problem is most likely the front panel connectors. This is a known > problem for early K3s. Early K3s had tin connectors between the front panel > and RF board. Elecraft switched to gold connectors around serial #4000. I > just had my serial #3505 in for upgrades and they switched the connectors > while they had it. From ke6te.9 at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 23:38:00 2016 From: ke6te.9 at gmail.com (George Rebong) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 20:38:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 KAT100-2 bypass Message-ID: <9BE780D1-DF4F-47BC-9367-86D1A503EC27@gmail.com> I would like to use an external antenna tuner. How can I set the K2 KAT100-2 antenna tuner on bypass? George KE6TE Sent from my iPad From b.denley at comcast.net Tue Aug 9 23:46:16 2016 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 23:46:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Heath kit and the Lazarus Loop In-Reply-To: <40076FAD-3207-43B0-821C-61766D7BC91A@n6lew.us> References: <40076FAD-3207-43B0-821C-61766D7BC91A@n6lew.us> Message-ID: <7608D106-A672-422E-90F0-693C84D270CC@comcast.net> Still have my Heathkit ET-3400 and ETA-3400. Learned 6800 assembly language on that pair before moving up to a OSI C1-P. It would be great to see Heathkit back to something fun. I was bummed when my K2/100 rig was finished. Brian KB1VBF Sent from my iPad > On Aug 9, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Lewis Phelps wrote: > > Heathkit was at the forefront of the personal computer revolution. Their H-8 was one of the earliest 8-bit computers, and the H-89 one of the first Z-80 machines, as well as being the first ?all in one? computer that combined the keyboard, monitor, and processor into a single enclosure. I used an H-89 as a word processor for a number of years, upgrading it with aftermarket products (which were plentiful) to the first-ever silicon drive, in lieu of a 5 inch floppy. It didn?t have ?permanent? memory, so you had to copy files a a floppy before shutting down, but it sure accelerated the word processing speed. The Z-80 (an enhanced 8080 chip made by Zilog) addressed 64K of memory, and the operating system (CP/M) used about 39K, which didn?t leave much space for the word processing app and the document file. There was a lot of swapping of chunks of instruction in and out of memory. > > They didn?t keep up with the advances in technology forever, but I think that was due more to a lack of capital than a lack of focus. Their 16-bit machines never caught on in the face of the IBM PC onslaught. > > Lew N6LEW > > > >> On Aug 8, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> >> It may be that Heath?s demise came less from a lack of entrepreneurship than from a lack of focus on the market where it had mastered its route to success. The introduction of personal computers at around the same time probably played a role as well. > > Lew Phelps N6LEW > Pasadena, CA DM04wd > Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 > Yaesu FT-7800 > Lew at N6LEW.US > www.n6lew.us > > Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to b.denley at comcast.net From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Wed Aug 10 07:17:40 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 04:17:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - KAT3A is a Great ATU! Message-ID: <1470827860282-7621449.post@n2.nabble.com> A few days ago, when assembling my 43ft Vertical antenna, I ran a RG213 from rig to outside and a longer RG213 from antenna to outside my house. I later powered up the K3S/KAT3A to test that new 43ft Vertical, wondering if there must be a problem, as reception was quite a bit lower than my G5RV. Strong signals were relatively clear and audible, but way down on the S meter. I then realized I was using the KAT3A ATU to tune the 50ft of coax alone, as I had forgotten to join the coax at the lightning arrester on the ground rod outside my house. Next, I'm going to try a KX2 w/KXAT2 ATU on a folding aluminum lawn chair. Antennas? We don't need no stinking antennas! ;-) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3s-KAT3A-is-a-Great-ATU-tp7621449.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w5sum at comcast.net Wed Aug 10 07:36:20 2016 From: w5sum at comcast.net (w5sum at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 06:36:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - KAT3A is a Great ATU! In-Reply-To: <1470827860282-7621449.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470827860282-7621449.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <51F065B4663547828F6A7399853030F2@MININTMC1HLDC> LOL.. rock on brother! I'm a believer it just throwing a chunk of wire in a tree and making contacts.. I don't need no stinking EZ- antenna programs LOL btw.. 300 confirmed on my full wave loop... which has an unknown amount of wire, fed with a unknown length of 300 ohm twinlead, and unknown resonant point Ronnie W5SUM -----Original Message----- From: MaverickNH Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 6:17 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - KAT3A is a Great ATU! A few days ago, when assembling my 43ft Vertical antenna, I ran a RG213 from rig to outside and a longer RG213 from antenna to outside my house. I later powered up the K3S/KAT3A to test that new 43ft Vertical, wondering if there must be a problem, as reception was quite a bit lower than my G5RV. Strong signals were relatively clear and audible, but way down on the S meter. I then realized I was using the KAT3A ATU to tune the 50ft of coax alone, as I had forgotten to join the coax at the lightning arrester on the ground rod outside my house. Next, I'm going to try a KX2 w/KXAT2 ATU on a folding aluminum lawn chair. Antennas? We don't need no stinking antennas! ;-) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3s-KAT3A-is-a-Great-ATU-tp7621449.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w5sum at comcast.net From mikerodgerske5gbc at yahoo.com Wed Aug 10 07:53:33 2016 From: mikerodgerske5gbc at yahoo.com (mikerodgerske5gbc at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 06:53:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: [Elecraft_K3] Fwd: Ham Radio: Field Day Follow Up and Wayne N6KR from Elecraft References: <00F0D065-1AB3-4102-BFF5-118B45F235D2@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <248716BC-0D38-4410-8890-6ADFC040398D@yahoo.com> Find me on "Zello", a walkie talkie or handi talkie type app. I'm listed as KE5GBC. I'm mostly on late at night. Begin forwarded message: > From: "mikerodgerske5gbc at yahoo.com [Elecraft_K3]" > Date: August 10, 2016, 6:51:05 AM CDT > To: Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Elecraft_K3] Fwd: Ham Radio: Field Day Follow Up and Wayne N6KR from Elecraft > Reply-To: Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com > > 30 minutes of Wayne talking about the kx2 at field day. The show is 60 min and Wayne gets the second half. Audio only. It's possible you heard this already as it field day so several episodes old. Also I believe there was a link already to you k3 guys when it first aired. > > 73 > Mike R > Mobile Mike > > Find me on "Zello", a walkie talkie or handi talkie type app. I'm listed as KE5GBC. I'm mostly on late at night. > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: mikerodgerske5gbc at yahoo.com >> Date: August 10, 2016, 1:48:37 AM CDT >> To: mike Rodgers >> Subject: Ham Radio: Field Day Follow Up and Wayne N6KR from Elecraft >> >> Check out the 'Ham Radio 360' podcast. >> >> I was listening to the episode 'Ham Radio: Field Day Follow Up and Wayne N6KR from Elecraft' and thought you might enjoy it >> Direct link to the file here >> >> If you have iCatcher! for your iOS device you can use this link iCatcher Import Link >> >> Web: Ham Radio 360 >> >> Feed: Podcast >> >> App Store: iCatcher! >> >> >> Find me on "Zello", a walkie talkie or handi talkie type app. I'm listed as KE5GBC. I'm mostly on late at night. > > __._,_.___ > Posted by: mikerodgerske5gbc at yahoo.com > Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (1) > > Have you tried the highest rated email app? > With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. > > VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 3 > ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use > . > > > __,_._,___ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 10 08:30:17 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 08:30:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 KAT100-2 bypass In-Reply-To: <9BE780D1-DF4F-47BC-9367-86D1A503EC27@gmail.com> References: <9BE780D1-DF4F-47BC-9367-86D1A503EC27@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50a9f573-a36d-d678-16c4-3c9932225077@embarqmail.com> George, Set the ATU menu to CAL - the KAT100 will be effectively bypassed. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/9/2016 11:38 PM, George Rebong wrote: > I would like to use an external antenna tuner. How can I set the K2 KAT100-2 antenna tuner on bypass? > George KE6TE > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Aug 10 08:39:32 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 05:39:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - KAT3A is a Great ATU! In-Reply-To: <51F065B4663547828F6A7399853030F2@MININTMC1HLDC> References: <1470827860282-7621449.post@n2.nabble.com> <51F065B4663547828F6A7399853030F2@MININTMC1HLDC> Message-ID: <5520efcb-deca-a503-a2df-144b6005a389@triconet.org> How do you know it's a full wave? On 8/10/2016 4:36 AM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote: > ...full wave loop... which has an unknown amount of wire... From w5sum at comcast.net Wed Aug 10 08:54:29 2016 From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 07:54:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - KAT3A is a Great ATU! In-Reply-To: <5520efcb-deca-a503-a2df-144b6005a389@triconet.org> References: <1470827860282-7621449.post@n2.nabble.com> <51F065B4663547828F6A7399853030F2@MININTMC1HLDC> <5520efcb-deca-a503-a2df-144b6005a389@triconet.org> Message-ID: I don't!!! And in love my loop! It's quiet and I bust pileups with Dailey! It's great! If I had to guess it has somewhere between 250-300 feet of wire. Or not Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 10, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > How do you know it's a full wave? > >> On 8/10/2016 4:36 AM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote: >> ...full wave loop... which has an unknown amount of wire... > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w5sum at comcast.net From ae0mm at yahoo.com Wed Aug 10 09:42:18 2016 From: ae0mm at yahoo.com (ae0mm) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 08:42:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S audible squeal Message-ID: <1984C694-395D-45AA-9F14-600FA56EE708@yahoo.com> My K3S (100w PA, no subRX, no ATU) has an audible sound (from inside the chassis) that is reminiscent of a flyback transformer squeal. The sound diminishes or completely goes away when using GNUradio?s rigctld + software panadapter. Is it possible the KIO3B stops making noise during high polling rates? I?m not certain what causes the noise, and it may not even be coming from the IO board. I?ve heard this squeal regardless of PSU type. (switching and linear PSUs) If I change CONFIG:RS232 from USB to 38400 b the squeal becomes louder. Disconnecting the USB cable has no impact. Any ideas what to do to isolate the audible noise and eliminate the squeal? From ray78crespus at orange.fr Wed Aug 10 10:12:35 2016 From: ray78crespus at orange.fr (Raymond METZGER) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 16:12:35 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Leaded or non-leaded solder Message-ID: <001301d1f311$3ea15890$bbe409b0$@orange.fr> Hello Elecrafters, I have decided to install KPAIO3MDKT on the K3S, I'm just starting to build, which means soldering one electrolytic capacitor on two existing pads on the KPAI03 module board. I don't know it the Elecraft modules - or all PCB devices in the USA - use leaded or non-leaded solder. Anyway, can I use my leaded solder to do this job ? My soldering iron and my leaded solder haven't been used significantly since I finished my K2-100 and my KAT100 in 2007, so that my solder has been bought before no-leaded solder became the norm (at least) in Europe. Thank you for your help Raymond METZGER F4FNT, K2-100, K-Line, K3S underway From lists at subich.com Wed Aug 10 10:16:56 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:16:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KFL3A-6K-IR Filter In-Reply-To: <44E2BDE6-01C3-4444-B874-C099F477B4A6@yahoo.com> References: <44E2BDE6-01C3-4444-B874-C099F477B4A6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2d7351fb-7b6c-6f3b-22b2-0904ebc59aa2@subich.com> > Band width was 6k Hz, offset 0. When I turn the band width knob I > only get a spread of 5k. Any suggestion would help. This is normal. The "BW" display shows the audio bandwidth not the IF bandwidth. Audio bandwidth is defined as FC + WIDTH/2 In the case of [double sideband] AM, the IF bandwidth is twice that of the audio bandwidth. Thus a "6 KHz" filter provides roughly 3 KHz of audio bandwidth at -6dB (the filter is nominally 6.125 KHz wide between the -6 dB points - about 7.5 KHz at -30 dB and 9.35 KHz at -60 dB) and rolls off rather quickly above 4.2 KHz due to the audio lowpass filter that follows the digital to analog converter. If you change Shift/Width to High/Low you will notice the maximum setting for "HIGH" is 4.2 KHz - a design limit in the DSP due to the clock frequency of the digital to analog converter. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/8/2016 3:35 PM, Grady Harper via Elecraft wrote: > I have just installed a new 6K AM filter in my K3s. I configured the > filter by computer, and checked using CONFIG . Band width was 6k Hz, > offset 0. When I turn the band width knob I only get a spread of 5k. > Any suggestion would help. > > The filter was put in slot 1. > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > lists at subich.com > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Aug 10 10:39:41 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 07:39:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Using K3 w/AS original Bandmaster band decoder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm away from my K3 information, but I believe the band lines from the K3 (and K3S) are compatible with the Kenwood encoding. The one gotcha is that the encoding for 60 meters is the same as when the radio is powered off. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/10/16 at 7:19 PM, ab2e at hotmail.com (AB2E Darrell) wrote: >I just purchased a used Bandmaster (Array Solutions) band >decoder. The manual does not have any settings listed for Elecraft. > > >Could someone using a K3/original Bandmaster combo please email >me offlist and let me know which settings you used? > >There is a one line mention of using a K2 with the Kenwood setting but no details. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Aug 10 10:43:49 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 07:43:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - KAT3A is a Great ATU! In-Reply-To: <1470827860282-7621449.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470827860282-7621449.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Of course not! Not when we have small, convenient dummy loads :-) Phil W7OX On 8/10/16 4:17 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > Antennas? We don't need no stinking antennas! ;-) From r.tristani at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 10:46:55 2016 From: r.tristani at gmail.com (Ramon Tristani) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:46:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators Message-ID: I want to take my K3 out for portable use and also training for emergencies with my local ham friends here. I am thinking of buying the Predator Inverter Generator that Harbor Freight sells. Does anybody out there has had any experience with it while using it to power a radio? Comments appreciated. Ramon, NQ9V From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 10 10:49:31 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:49:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Leaded or non-leaded solder In-Reply-To: <001301d1f311$3ea15890$bbe409b0$@orange.fr> References: <001301d1f311$3ea15890$bbe409b0$@orange.fr> Message-ID: <98347a79-0dc2-cb30-3129-95e8f234059d@embarqmail.com> Raymond, The Elecraft boards comply with ROHS. You can use leaded solder. The solder used on the Elecraft boards is non-leaded, but leaded solder will mix with it just fine. I have used it many times. The problem with hand soldering with non-lead solder is that it does not flow well, so I stay away from it for my work. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/10/2016 10:12 AM, Raymond METZGER wrote: > Hello Elecrafters, > > I have decided to install KPAIO3MDKT on the K3S, I'm just starting to build, > which means soldering one electrolytic capacitor on two existing pads on the > KPAI03 module board. > I don't know it the Elecraft modules - or all PCB devices in the USA - use > leaded or non-leaded solder. Anyway, can I use my leaded solder to do this > job ? > > My soldering iron and my leaded solder haven't been used significantly since > I finished my K2-100 and my KAT100 in 2007, so that my solder has been > bought before no-leaded solder became the norm (at least) in Europe. > Thank you for your help > > From lists at subich.com Wed Aug 10 11:01:14 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 11:01:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Using K3 w/AS original Bandmaster band decoder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/10/2016 10:39 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > I believe the band lines from the K3 (and K3S) are compatible with > the Kenwood encoding. *YAESU* encoding - Kenwood does not provide "band data" outputs. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From k3ndm at comcast.net Wed Aug 10 12:50:50 2016 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 16:50:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ramon, Your K3 doesn't care. It runs off the 12 volt power supply that will plug into the generator. There shouldn't be a problem, though. We used a Honda 1K during field day which is of the type and had no problems. I really expect that you should be OK. However, if you are concerned, just run the K3 off a 12 volt battery. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Ramon Tristani" To: "Elecraft Mailing List" Sent: 8/10/2016 10:46:55 AM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators >I want to take my K3 out for portable use and also training for >emergencies with my local ham friends here. I am thinking of buying the >Predator Inverter Generator that Harbor Freight sells. Does anybody out >there has had any experience with it while using it to power a radio? >Comments appreciated. > >Ramon, NQ9V > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Aug 10 12:59:16 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 09:59:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <882a9c85-9cb8-c8f7-1bad-dbebdbadff65@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,8/10/2016 7:46 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: > I am thinking of buying the Predator Inverter Generator that Harbor Freight sells. Does anybody out there has had any experience with it while using it to power a radio? Everything I've seen at Harbor Freight is off-shore made junk, and the driving force is CHEAP. I would expect any they sell with electronics to be a noisy pig. 73, Jim K9YC From bob at hogbytes.com Wed Aug 10 13:01:29 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:01:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1470848489678-7621465.post@n2.nabble.com> I recommend adding a 12V Battery to the system to provide a buffer. This will be of more important if running 100W CW. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-inverter-generators-tp7621460p7621465.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Aug 10 13:04:59 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:04:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1b4de7c2-ca7c-fce0-1236-ca04a81e0f01@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,8/10/2016 9:50 AM, Barry LaZar wrote: > Your K3 doesn't care. The issue is not compatibility with the radio. Electronic devices, especially those handling power, produce RF noise that is radiated both by internal wiring and by external wiring (like the power cable that we plug into them). That RF trash is picked up by our antennas, just like any other RF energy. Even the very good Honda EU200oi generator produces moderately strong RF noise, and requires a good common mode choke on the power cable that plugs into it. These issues are addressed in the link below, which is the slides for a talk I gave on noise in portable setups to the Northern California Contest Club several years ago. http://nccc.cc/pdf/CQP-RFI2013-2.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 10 13:07:35 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 13:07:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87d97154-ac96-0db4-24b3-bb2c325b0947@embarqmail.com> Ramon, While it should do the job for producing AC for your power supply, I wonder about the "Inverter" part of it. That tells me that the native generator produces DC and is then run through an inverter to give AC output. Some inverters do produce RF noise, so I would want to try it out first to see just how much RF Hash it produces on the ham bands of interest. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/10/2016 10:46 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: > I want to take my K3 out for portable use and also training for emergencies with my local ham friends here. I am thinking of buying the Predator Inverter Generator that Harbor Freight sells. Does anybody out there has had any experience with it while using it to power a radio? Comments appreciated. > From gdt at lexort.com Wed Aug 10 13:09:05 2016 From: gdt at lexort.com (Greg Troxel) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 13:09:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: (Ramon Tristani's message of "Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:46:55 -0400") References: Message-ID: Ramon Tristani writes: > I want to take my K3 out for portable use and also training for > emergencies with my local ham friends here. I am thinking of buying > the Predator Inverter Generator that Harbor Freight sells. Does > anybody out there has had any experience with it while using it to > power a radio? Comments appreciated. When I saw the subject, I was going to say that at Field Day this year, I observed a K3/P3 with external monitor and computer, running off a Honda EU2000 powering the monitor/computer and I think an Astron RS35, plus a west mountain radio PG40S with a 35 Ah AGM battery in a box. This worked very well; not only did the generator run well for the entire FD period but the battery/PG40S let the K3/P3 operate over 1 unplanned and a half-dozen planned shutdowns for refueling. I am skeptical of generators from Harbor Freight, but that is perhaps unwarranted. My club used 3 different EU2000s (for 2 K3 stations and a non-Elecraft station :-(), and had a good experience with them this year as in past years. They do cost $900 to $1000 though -- but if I had a K3, even a barebones one, I would really try hard to get a quality generator for it rather than risking iffy power. The Honda EU2000 is a real motor with separate oil, rather than running on 2-cycle mix, but I see the one you pointed to is also. The Honda is also pretty quiet as these things go and clearly very nicely built. I am 99% sure the Honda is also legal in California, which the Harbor Freight one seems not to be. QST had a review article several years ago about these sorts of generators. 73 de n1dam From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Wed Aug 10 13:17:39 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 17:17:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: <1470848489678-7621465.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470848489678-7621465.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <479433312.11957091.1470849460037.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?Or a FARAD cap....?? Mel, K6KBE From: Bob N3MNT To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators I recommend adding a 12V Battery to the system to provide a buffer.? This will be of more important if running 100W CW. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-inverter-generators-tp7621460p7621465.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From r.tristani at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 13:29:57 2016 From: r.tristani at gmail.com (Ramon Tristani) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 13:29:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: <1b4de7c2-ca7c-fce0-1236-ca04a81e0f01@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1b4de7c2-ca7c-fce0-1236-ca04a81e0f01@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Jim: That is a great article on suppressing noise. I really appreciate it. Ramon > On Aug 10, 2016, at 13:04, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Wed,8/10/2016 9:50 AM, Barry LaZar wrote: >> Your K3 doesn't care. > > The issue is not compatibility with the radio. Electronic devices, especially those handling power, produce RF noise that is radiated both by internal wiring and by external wiring (like the power cable that we plug into them). That RF trash is picked up by our antennas, just like any other RF energy. Even the very good Honda EU200oi generator produces moderately strong RF noise, and requires a good common mode choke on the power cable that plugs into it. These issues are addressed in the link below, which is the slides for a talk I gave on noise in portable setups to the Northern California Contest Club several years ago. > > http://nccc.cc/pdf/CQP-RFI2013-2.pdf > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to r.tristani at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 10 13:39:10 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 13:39:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6fdb79bc-6b38-bf07-0991-8720c510a411@embarqmail.com> Ramon, If you have some mechanical skills, you can build your own 13.8 volt generator. A gasoline engine driving an automotive alternator which in turn feeds a battery. Put it all on a small wagon and you don't need the power supply. It will not be as compact as a portable generator, but would not be a producer of RF hash from the inverter. You may find you need a few capacitors to kill any alternator whine. This is essentially the same as an automotive battery charging system. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/10/2016 10:46 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: > I want to take my K3 out for portable use and also training for emergencies with my local ham friends here. I am thinking of buying the Predator Inverter Generator that Harbor Freight sells. Does anybody out there has had any experience with it while using it to power a radio? Comments appreciated. > > Ramon, NQ9V > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From ho13dave at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 13:42:04 2016 From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:42:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can't comment on that specific generator. I do have some experience with inverter generators. In one case, a Honda 1 kW used at FD, there was no detectable noise from the inverter. But a friend has a 3.5 kW Honda that he uses when RV'ing and it is terribly noisy. The ARRL ran some tests on generators, June 2012 issue. They show graphs for RFI produced by the generators tested. All look fairly noisy. Based on their tests and my experience I would suggest that you expect quite a bit of RFI from any inverter generator. Not all make RFI but it appears that most do. If it produces adequate power for your needs you might want to look at the little 2 cycle conventional generator at HF sells. I have one of those and it is absolutely RF quiet. Have used it for 2 FD's with no issues. It makes higher ambient noise, but no RFI at all. Another option would be some filtering on the AC line from the genni. The ARRL review includes some comments on those as well. But even after filtering the emissions were >20 dBuV. Seems to me this level would still be heard. 73 de dave ab9ca/4 On 8/10/16 9:46 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: > I want to take my K3 out for portable use and also training for > emergencies with my local ham friends here. I am thinking of buying > the Predator Inverter Generator that Harbor Freight sells. Does > anybody out there has had any experience with it while using it to > power a radio? Comments appreciated. > > Ramon, NQ9V > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > ho13dave at gmail.com > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Aug 10 13:47:54 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:47:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: <882a9c85-9cb8-c8f7-1bad-dbebdbadff65@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: We had a generator for our special event station in Ely, NV which made so much noise we couldn't hear any signals. Sorry I don't know the brand or model, but not all generators are suitable for ham use. Our solution was to go QRT while we recharged our batteries. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/10/16 at 9:59 AM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: >On Wed,8/10/2016 7:46 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: >>I am thinking of buying the Predator Inverter Generator that Harbor Freight sells. Does anybody out >there has had any experience with it while using it to power a radio? > >Everything I've seen at Harbor Freight is off-shore made junk, >and the driving force is CHEAP. I would expect any they sell >with electronics to be a noisy pig. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |"After all, if the conventional wisdom was working, the 408-356-8506 | rate of systems being compromised would be going down, www.pwpconsult.com | wouldn't it?" -- Marcus Ranum From billamader at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 13:50:22 2016 From: billamader at gmail.com (Bill Mader) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 11:50:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - KAT3A is a Great ATU! Message-ID: <02f701d1f32f$ab5ee330$021ca990$@gmail.com> I apologize in advance: It is a full wave on some (undisclosed) frequency. Again, sorry, but I couldn't help myself. 73, Bill, K8TE Message: 15 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 07:54:29 -0500 From: Ronnie Hull > To: Wes Stewart > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s - KAT3A is a Great ATU! Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't!!! And in love my loop! It's quiet and I bust pileups with Dailey! It's great! If I had to guess it has somewhere between 250-300 feet of wire. Or not Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 10, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Wes Stewart > wrote: > > How do you know it's a full wave? > >> On 8/10/2016 4:36 AM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote: >> ...full wave loop... which has an unknown amount of wire... > From w7aqk at cox.net Wed Aug 10 13:52:03 2016 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:52:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Heath kit and the Lazarus Loop Message-ID: <4768C30B20BD49119D28778CFD78221A@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> Lew and All, Heath wasn't the only casualty of the tech explosion. There were dead bodies all over the place! Even Microsoft might have cratered if IBM hadn't failed to recognize the importance of DOS! It's really amazing what we have seen in just 25 years or so. I paid a small fortune in late '89 for a Zenith laptop, and since then, I haven't spent more than a fraction of that for a laptop. We've gone from big floppies to no floppies--from hard drives that only held a few MB's, to ones now that hold many TB's. RAM was only a few KB's, and now it is many GB's, and that's just what we use at home on our desks. It reminds me of the thought provoking comment I read some time back--it says something like--"You receive a birthday card--one that plays the song Happy Birthday" to you. You listen to it, admire the card a while, and then soon casually toss it into the waste basket, thereby throwing away more computing power than existed in the world in 1948!!! Dave W7AQK From: Lewis Phelps To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Heath kit and the Lazarus Loop Message-ID: <40076FAD-3207-43B0-821C-61766D7BC91A at n6lew.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Heathkit was at the forefront of the personal computer revolution. Their H-8 was one of the earliest 8-bit computers, and the H-89 one of the first Z-80 machines, as well as being the first ?all in one? computer that combined the keyboard, monitor, and processor into a single enclosure. I used an H-89 as a word processor for a number of years, upgrading it with aftermarket products (which were plentiful) to the first-ever silicon drive, in lieu of a 5 inch floppy. It didn?t have ?permanent? memory, so you had to copy files a a floppy before shutting down, but it sure accelerated the word processing speed. The Z-80 (an enhanced 8080 chip made by Zilog) addressed 64K of memory, and the operating system (CP/M) used about 39K, which didn?t leave much space for the word processing app and the document file. There was a lot of swapping of chunks of instruction in and out of memory. They didn?t keep up with the advances in technology forever, but I think that was due more to a lack of capital than a lack of focus. Their 16-bit machines never caught on in the face of the IBM PC onslaught. Lew N6LEW From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Aug 10 13:59:28 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 17:59:28 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - KAT3A is a Great ATU! Message-ID: Reduces QRM on both ends. Few other devices can do that. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 07:43:49 -0700 From: Phil Wheeler To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s - KAT3A is a Great ATU! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Of course not! Not when we have small, convenient dummy loads :-) Phil W7OX On 8/10/16 4:17 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > Antennas? We don't need no stinking antennas! ;-) From r.tristani at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 14:07:38 2016 From: r.tristani at gmail.com (Ramon Tristani) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:07:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0225C1E6-4FEA-44F7-A4B2-AF5F382C9C93@gmail.com> I want to thank everyone that provided comments and advice on my subject post. All replies have been extremely useful and my decision will not be too difficult to make now. Ramon, NQ9V From gdanner12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 14:15:30 2016 From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (George Danner) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:15:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73AC475CFD154169ABAE86996AD5F385@GeorgenLouise> We have used both the 1 Kw & 2 kw Honda inverters for field day and had only a tiny bit of RFI. They were both very quiet (RFI & sound wise) compared to the 5 kW "construction" generator we used years ago. IMHO - I'd try the Harbor Freight unit. It is 1/3 the price of a Honda and H.F. has a good return policy (at least in Georgia). At worst you would spend a few hours evaluating the unit. I have no idea who actually makes the Predator unit. Several companies make units that all look extremely similar to each other except for color & name plate. There are 2 main sources of RFI from an inverter type unit. First is the spark-gap transmitter used to ignite the fuel/air mixture. We believed that was the noise we heard from the Hondas, since it changed as the engine speed changed. Don't get me wrong - the noise was heard but not enough to lose any contacts. No one complained or asked to not use the Hondas in later years. The second source would be the inverter itself. I'd guess that will depend on the type of inverter and care they take in filtering the AC output. I rate Harbor Freight as a cost effective alternative, similar to MFJ. Sometimes you don't I do have Elecraft radios because I thought it wise to spend what they cost. 73 George AI4VZ>>I am thinking of buying the Predator Inverter Generator that Harbor Freight sells. Does anybody out >there has had any experience with it while using it to power a radio? From wa8jxm at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 14:29:23 2016 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:29:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7b353bd7-cca1-2d0c-b304-621c3eace616@gmail.com> I have run my station on the Honda inverter generators (EU-2000 and -3000). No problems, no issues. Ken 3. WA8JXM On 8/10/16 10:46 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: > I want to take my K3 out for portable use and also training for emergencies with my local ham friends here. I am thinking of buying the Predator Inverter Generator that Harbor Freight sells. Does anybody out there has had any experience with it while using it to power a radio? Comments appreciated. From bcobb10b at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 15:05:21 2016 From: bcobb10b at gmail.com (Bill Cobb) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 15:05:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: <7b353bd7-cca1-2d0c-b304-621c3eace616@gmail.com> References: <7b353bd7-cca1-2d0c-b304-621c3eace616@gmail.com> Message-ID: I also have run my station on our Honda EU2000 with no issues. Bill k4yjj > On Aug 10, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Ken wrote: > > I have run my station on the Honda inverter generators (EU-2000 and -3000). No problems, no issues. > > Ken > 3. WA8JXM > > On 8/10/16 10:46 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: >> I want to take my K3 out for portable use and also training for emergencies with my local ham friends here. I am thinking of buying the Predator Inverter Generator that Harbor Freight sells. Does anybody out there has had any experience with it while using it to power a radio? Comments appreciated. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bcobb10b at gmail.com From jcox123 at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 10 15:17:58 2016 From: jcox123 at bellsouth.net (Jim Cox) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:17:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: <7b353bd7-cca1-2d0c-b304-621c3eace616@gmail.com> References: <7b353bd7-cca1-2d0c-b304-621c3eace616@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DF31B6FC9534BFB961787C86174C823@JimPC> I believe the Predator make generators are made in China. I have friend who purchased one, worked well but lots of RFI, so much so we fired up the Honda EU-2000. Another problem is service, since no parts are available, you cant get repaired anywhere in my area of the country. I have the EU-2000 and 1000 and work well, no RFI, very little audible noise and local service and parts available if you need it. They do cost more but like the Elecraft line up, you get what you pay for over the life of the product.... Jim K4JAF -----Original Message----- From: Ken Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators I have run my station on the Honda inverter generators (EU-2000 and -3000). No problems, no issues. Ken 3. WA8JXM On 8/10/16 10:46 AM, Ramon Tristani wrote: > I want to take my K3 out for portable use and also training for > emergencies with my local ham friends here. I am thinking of buying the > Predator Inverter Generator that Harbor Freight sells. Does anybody out > there has had any experience with it while using it to power a radio? > Comments appreciated. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jcox123 at bellsouth.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Aug 10 15:30:50 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:30:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: References: <7b353bd7-cca1-2d0c-b304-621c3eace616@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed,8/10/2016 12:05 PM, Bill Cobb wrote: > I also have run my station on our Honda EU2000 with no issues. Remember that it all depends on what your antennas are, how close they are to the generator, and how much OTHER noise is present. Our FD and CQP (California QSO Party) teams set up in very quiet (mile of nowhere) locations with antennas very close to our Honda 2000i. Without a ferrite choke on the 2000i output cable, noise on 15 and 20M was in the range of S7-S8 on our K3s; with a filter (or without the generator running) noise was down around S2. That's a HUGE difference -- if the S-meter is calibrated to 5 dB per S-unit, that's 30 dB, the difference between being able to hear a 1 kW signal and a 1W signal. Obviously, if our station is in a developed area, our noise level is likely to a be a LOT higher, more like S6-S8, and we're far less likely to hear that S7-S8 generator noise. Likewise if our noise level is lower and our antenna(s) are farther from the generator. My advice -- never accept anyone's assurances that XYZ product is quiet without a detailed description of the antenna farm, its location with respect to the generator, and what the noise level is without the generator, because without that information, those assurances are next to meaningless. 73, Jim K9YC From r.tristani at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 16:39:47 2016 From: r.tristani at gmail.com (Ramon Tristani) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 16:39:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: References: <7b353bd7-cca1-2d0c-b304-621c3eace616@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0B977553-FC49-44CC-BD16-62608F56A889@gmail.com> Advice well taken. Thanks. > On Aug 10, 2016, at 15:30, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Wed,8/10/2016 12:05 PM, Bill Cobb wrote: >> I also have run my station on our Honda EU2000 with no issues. > > Remember that it all depends on what your antennas are, how close they are to the generator, and how much OTHER noise is present. > > Our FD and CQP (California QSO Party) teams set up in very quiet (mile of nowhere) locations with antennas very close to our Honda 2000i. Without a ferrite choke on the 2000i output cable, noise on 15 and 20M was in the range of S7-S8 on our K3s; with a filter (or without the generator running) noise was down around S2. That's a HUGE difference -- if the S-meter is calibrated to 5 dB per S-unit, that's 30 dB, the difference between being able to hear a 1 kW signal and a 1W signal. > > Obviously, if our station is in a developed area, our noise level is likely to a be a LOT higher, more like S6-S8, and we're far less likely to hear that S7-S8 generator noise. Likewise if our noise level is lower and our antenna(s) are farther from the generator. > > My advice -- never accept anyone's assurances that XYZ product is quiet without a detailed description of the antenna farm, its location with respect to the generator, and what the noise level is without the generator, because without that information, those assurances are next to meaningless. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to r.tristani at gmail.com From k3ndm at comcast.net Wed Aug 10 16:45:47 2016 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 20:45:47 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: <1b4de7c2-ca7c-fce0-1236-ca04a81e0f01@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Jim, Thanks for the pointer to the briefing. That's good input. We used the Honda 1000. We didn't seem to see anything on site from that particular generator. However, we could have. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Jim Brown" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 8/10/2016 1:04:59 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators >On Wed,8/10/2016 9:50 AM, Barry LaZar wrote: >>Your K3 doesn't care. > >The issue is not compatibility with the radio. Electronic devices, >especially those handling power, produce RF noise that is radiated both >by internal wiring and by external wiring (like the power cable that we >plug into them). That RF trash is picked up by our antennas, just like >any other RF energy. Even the very good Honda EU200oi generator >produces moderately strong RF noise, and requires a good common mode >choke on the power cable that plugs into it. These issues are addressed >in the link below, which is the slides for a talk I gave on noise in >portable setups to the Northern California Contest Club several years >ago. > >http://nccc.cc/pdf/CQP-RFI2013-2.pdf > >73, Jim K9YC > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From lmarion at mt.net Wed Aug 10 17:23:43 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 15:23:43 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KFL3A-6K-IR Filter In-Reply-To: <2d7351fb-7b6c-6f3b-22b2-0904ebc59aa2@subich.com> References: <44E2BDE6-01C3-4444-B874-C099F477B4A6@yahoo.com> <2d7351fb-7b6c-6f3b-22b2-0904ebc59aa2@subich.com> Message-ID: Thanks Joe for clearing that up. I had read and read and still could not sort that one out. Thanks Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 8:16 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KFL3A-6K-IR Filter > Band width was 6k Hz, offset 0. When I turn the band width knob I > only get a spread of 5k. Any suggestion would help. This is normal. The "BW" display shows the audio bandwidth not the IF bandwidth. Audio bandwidth is defined as FC + WIDTH/2 In the case of [double sideband] AM, the IF bandwidth is twice that of the audio bandwidth. Thus a "6 KHz" filter provides roughly 3 KHz of audio bandwidth at -6dB (the filter is nominally 6.125 KHz wide between the -6 dB points - about 7.5 KHz at -30 dB and 9.35 KHz at -60 dB) and rolls off rather quickly above 4.2 KHz due to the audio lowpass filter that follows the digital to analog converter. If you change Shift/Width to High/Low you will notice the maximum setting for "HIGH" is 4.2 KHz - a design limit in the DSP due to the clock frequency of the digital to analog converter. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/8/2016 3:35 PM, Grady Harper via Elecraft wrote: > I have just installed a new 6K AM filter in my K3s. I configured the > filter by computer, and checked using CONFIG . Band width was 6k Hz, > offset 0. When I turn the band width knob I only get a spread of 5k. > Any suggestion would help. > > The filter was put in slot 1. > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > lists at subich.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lmarion at mt.net From dave at nk7z.net Wed Aug 10 17:35:32 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:35:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: <73AC475CFD154169ABAE86996AD5F385@GeorgenLouise> References: <73AC475CFD154169ABAE86996AD5F385@GeorgenLouise> Message-ID: <1470864932.6817.32.camel@nk7z.net> On Wed, 2016-08-10 at 14:15 -0400, George Danner wrote: > We have used both the 1 Kw & 2 kw Honda inverters for field day and > had only a tiny bit of RFI. ?They were both very quiet (RFI & sound > wise) compared to the 5 kW "construction" generator we used years ago. > IMHO - I'd try the Harbor Freight unit. It is 1/3 the price of a Honda > and H.F. has a good return policy (at least in Georgia). I must agree about the Honda, I used one on FD, and never even heard it RF wise... ? I must respectfully disagree about testing the HF product, I would not connect anything worth more than fifty cents to a HF generator for fear of damage to my rigs, power supplies, etc. ? I simply do not trust anything more complicated than a screwdriver if it is from HF. -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From eric at elecraft.com Wed Aug 10 18:02:54 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 15:02:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators In-Reply-To: <1470864932.6817.32.camel@nk7z.net> References: <73AC475CFD154169ABAE86996AD5F385@GeorgenLouise> <1470864932.6817.32.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <53625727-68b4-625b-c78d-7b2a734927c7@elecraft.com> We're at 27 posts on this topic since this morning. Time to close the thread as we are well exceeding the single topic limit. Please try to self moderate a bit more. 5-10 posts on most topics is more than enough and helps relieve email overload for others. 73, Eric Moderator etc. /elecraft.com/ On 8/10/2016 2:35 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > On Wed, 2016-08-10 at 14:15 -0400, George Danner wrote: >> We have used both the 1 Kw & 2 kw Honda inverters for field day and >> had only a tiny bit of RFI. They were both very quiet (RFI & sound >> wise) compared to the 5 kW "construction" generator we used years ago. > From dtx at verizon.net Wed Aug 10 18:34:11 2016 From: dtx at verizon.net (dtx at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 17:34:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators Message-ID: <9792019.3051653.1470868451963.JavaMail.root@vznit170060.mailsrvcs.net> From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Aug 10 18:38:52 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 15:38:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - KAT3A is a Great ATU! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3fa37f7d-e1c3-baea-330a-7414a70ea02e@socal.rr.com> Yes, a new operating challenge: WAS with 5 Watts and a dummy load, Ted ;-) A step up (or down!) from loading up bed springs, lawn chair and the like. 73, Phil W7OX On 8/10/16 10:59 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Reduces QRM on both ends. Few other devices can do that. > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > ------------------------------ > > > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 07:43:49 -0700 > From: Phil Wheeler > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s - KAT3A is a Great ATU! > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Of course not! Not when we have small, convenient > dummy loads :-) > > Phil W7OX > > On 8/10/16 4:17 AM, MaverickNH wrote: >> Antennas? We don't need no stinking antennas! ;-) > From sidfrissell at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 19:11:08 2016 From: sidfrissell at gmail.com (Sid Frissell) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 17:11:08 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S audio problem Message-ID: <37E15E20-B485-42E9-B165-12AB85B8FCB8@gmail.com> > Help! I seem to have created a problem for myself (something I do more often each year!). While trying to set up new headphones with boom mic for use with my K3S s/n 10462 I apparently changed a menu or config. menu item I shouldn't have! Now I have no audio on data modes JT-65, PSK-31, etc. (which had been working fine until now) All I remember changing for sure was turning on mic bias Turning up the mic gain control does nothing. I get no ALC or PWR meter readings. Transmit red light does come on but that's all. Still can work CW and new mic works on SSB. Anyone have any idea what stupid thing I might have done to cause this? Ain't getting old fun!! Thanks Sid, NZ7M Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 10 19:19:46 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 19:19:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S audio problem In-Reply-To: <37E15E20-B485-42E9-B165-12AB85B8FCB8@gmail.com> References: <37E15E20-B485-42E9-B165-12AB85B8FCB8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <041c7616-b098-aace-269c-afaa0f77f658@embarqmail.com> Sid, Go into the DATA A submode and check the menu MIC SEL setting - that setting should be per mode, but you may have inadvertently set it to something other than LINE IN. "Old" is a state of mind, quite apart from chronological age. Keep thinking young! Although the physical aspects of getting older "sucks". 73, Don W3FPR On 8/10/2016 7:11 PM, Sid Frissell wrote: >> Help! I seem to have created a problem for myself (something I do more often each year!). While trying to set up new headphones with boom mic for use with my K3S s/n 10462 I apparently changed a menu or config. menu item I shouldn't have! Now I have no audio on data modes JT-65, PSK-31, etc. (which had been working fine until now) All I remember changing for sure was turning on mic bias Turning up the mic gain control does nothing. I get no ALC or PWR meter readings. Transmit red light does come on but that's all. Still can work CW and new mic works on SSB. Anyone have any idea what stupid thing I might have done to cause this? Ain't getting old fun!! Thanks > From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Aug 10 19:21:44 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 19:21:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S audio problem In-Reply-To: <37E15E20-B485-42E9-B165-12AB85B8FCB8@gmail.com> References: <37E15E20-B485-42E9-B165-12AB85B8FCB8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6D9ADA28-1DA3-479D-AA0A-844AE2ECB0CF@widomaker.com> Which mic jack is selected, front or rear? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill On Aug 10, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Sid Frissell wrote: >> Help! I seem to have created a problem for myself (something I do more often each year!). While trying to set up new headphones with boom mic for use with my K3S s/n 10462 I apparently changed a menu or config. menu item I shouldn't have! Now I have no audio on data modes JT-65, PSK-31, etc. (which had been working fine until now) All I remember changing for sure was turning on mic bias Turning up the mic gain control does nothing. I get no ALC or PWR meter readings. Transmit red light does come on but that's all. Still can work CW and new mic works on SSB. Anyone have any idea what stupid thing I might have done to cause this? Ain't getting old fun!! Thanks > > Sid, NZ7M > > Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Aug 10 19:35:07 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 16:35:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S audio problem In-Reply-To: <6D9ADA28-1DA3-479D-AA0A-844AE2ECB0CF@widomaker.com> References: <37E15E20-B485-42E9-B165-12AB85B8FCB8@gmail.com> <6D9ADA28-1DA3-479D-AA0A-844AE2ECB0CF@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <3BF70F63-00D0-4710-A3AA-F84BF5DB3221@wunderwood.org> What headset? wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 10, 2016, at 4:21 PM, Nr4c wrote: > > Which mic jack is selected, front or rear? > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > On Aug 10, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Sid Frissell wrote: > >>> Help! I seem to have created a problem for myself (something I do more often each year!). While trying to set up new headphones with boom mic for use with my K3S s/n 10462 I apparently changed a menu or config. menu item I shouldn't have! Now I have no audio on data modes JT-65, PSK-31, etc. (which had been working fine until now) All I remember changing for sure was turning on mic bias Turning up the mic gain control does nothing. I get no ALC or PWR meter readings. Transmit red light does come on but that's all. Still can work CW and new mic works on SSB. Anyone have any idea what stupid thing I might have done to cause this? Ain't getting old fun!! Thanks >> >> Sid, NZ7M >> >> Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From mkempisty at verizon.net Wed Aug 10 19:36:17 2016 From: mkempisty at verizon.net (Mark Kempisty) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 19:36:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators Message-ID: Use a switching power supply with the generator or any other questionable AC source. They gobble up unstable AC like no one's business.? Take care,MarkAA3K? From sidfrissell at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 20:37:27 2016 From: sidfrissell at gmail.com (Sid Frissell) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 18:37:27 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s audio problem Message-ID: <97747D75-2C48-44BF-B9F5-CBB5C1B114EE@gmail.com> Don and Bill-- I am using the front panel mike jack and Mic-select (Data mode) is set FP.L. Sid, NZ7M Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 10 21:29:23 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 21:29:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s audio problem In-Reply-To: <97747D75-2C48-44BF-B9F5-CBB5C1B114EE@gmail.com> References: <97747D75-2C48-44BF-B9F5-CBB5C1B114EE@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sid, In that case, you would set the MIC SEL menu to FP.L as you have it, and feed the soundcard output to the mic input. Note that this has nothing to do with your headset that you use for SSB. Use DATA A mode rather than SSB because that data submode sets compression to 1-1 and the TX EQ to flat. That setting is independent of any settings you may have for SSB. I am just curious why you have not connected the soundcard output to the Line In jack on the back of the K3 - it is not only more convenient when switching between SSB and data modes, but it offers transformer isolation for the soundcard lines. In either case, adjust the audio level to produce 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing on the ALC meter - that is the "no ALC" point for the K3. Set the power desired with the K3 power knob. Ignore the "internet" advice to adjust the power using the audio level - that does not work with the K3. Adjust the power level with the power knob. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/10/2016 8:37 PM, Sid Frissell wrote: > Don and Bill-- I am using the front panel mike jack and Mic-select (Data mode) is set FP.L. > > Sid, NZ7M > From dmoes at nexicom.net Wed Aug 10 21:46:31 2016 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 21:46:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators Message-ID: <57abd8f7.2e4b.d9c65940.be20b11@nexicom.net> Have a look at this video its pretty good from ARRL on small inverter generators. the filter part is the key. https://youtu.be/rOH7Ze7wreQ I would not cheep out however get a cheep generator and it might do you for a few years and you end up having to get another one spend good money on a Honda or Yamaha and you have one for life. we use an inverter generator for Field Day 4A+Gota and VHF running various rigs and a serious selection of power supplies both linear and switching. including desktops for each station its either been a Honda 2800W inverter or a Yamaha 2400W inverter both have noise filters at the generator and a ground rod at the generator. so noise has not been an issue. David Moes VE3SD > --- Original message --- > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and inverter generators > From: Ramon Tristani > To: Elecraft Mailing List > Date: Wednesday, 10/08/2016 10:47 AM > > I want to take my K3 out for portable use and also training for > emergencies with my local ham friends here. I am thinking of buying > the Predator Inverter Generator that Harbor Freight sells. Does > anybody out there has had any experience with it while using it to > power a radio? Comments appreciated. > > Ramon, NQ9V > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 10 22:34:09 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 02:34:09 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s audio problem In-Reply-To: References: <97747D75-2C48-44BF-B9F5-CBB5C1B114EE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005601d1f378$d7c0d8e0$87428aa0$@sbcglobal.net> Sid, Why aren't you using the sound card in the K3S? Then your JT65 and PSK software talks to the K3S sound card through the USB cable. Then you do not need external sound cards or connections to LINE IN, LINE OUT or the front panel MIC jack. I operate AFSK RTTY and this is how I have MTTY, N1MM and Writelog set up. Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1:29 AM To: Sid Frissell ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s audio problem Sid, In that case, you would set the MIC SEL menu to FP.L as you have it, and feed the soundcard output to the mic input. Note that this has nothing to do with your headset that you use for SSB. Use DATA A mode rather than SSB because that data submode sets compression to 1-1 and the TX EQ to flat. That setting is independent of any settings you may have for SSB. I am just curious why you have not connected the soundcard output to the Line In jack on the back of the K3 - it is not only more convenient when switching between SSB and data modes, but it offers transformer isolation for the soundcard lines. In either case, adjust the audio level to produce 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing on the ALC meter - that is the "no ALC" point for the K3. Set the power desired with the K3 power knob. Ignore the "internet" advice to adjust the power using the audio level - that does not work with the K3. Adjust the power level with the power knob. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/10/2016 8:37 PM, Sid Frissell wrote: > Don and Bill-- I am using the front panel mike jack and Mic-select (Data mode) is set FP.L. > > Sid, NZ7M > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Thu Aug 11 10:27:37 2016 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:27:37 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Message-ID: Probably a few dumb questions but............... I?ve been trying to setup our club?s K3/KAT500 combination and it?s not performing as expected. At present, it?s just the K3 and KAT500, no linear involved. I?ve connected the AUX data cable to the K3 and KAT500 and I have a patch cable between K3 ANT1 and KAT500 XCVR connectors. This is the Aux cable supplied by Elecraft. The K3 CONFIG:KAT3 is set to KAT500Y and the KAT500 switches chosen antenna when the K3 band is changed as expected, so I presume that data is being passed correctly between them. However, when the KAT500 is set to AUTO, I can only initiate a tune cycle by holding the TUNE button on the K3. If I tap the ATU TUNE button on the K3, if the KAT3 is shown in BYPASS then nothing happens. If the KAT3 is shown in AUTO then the KAT3 does the tuning, not the KAT500. Also, pressing the TUNE button on the KAT500 only seems to make the AUTO LED blink, although I?m guessing that it?s to indicate that I need to set the K3 to transmit (hold TUNE)? One of our members who has dealt with a lot of Elecraft equipment says that with the KAT500 correctly connected and CONFIG:KAT3 set to KAT500Y, tapping ATU TUNE should put the KAT500 into a tuning cycle, not the KAT3, which he says is a normal function. Am I totally misunderstanding how the system is supposed to work, being misled, or have I missed a CONFIG or setup step? 73, Alan. G4GNX From ray78crespus at orange.fr Thu Aug 11 10:47:32 2016 From: ray78crespus at orange.fr (Raymond METZGER) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:47:32 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Leaded or non-leaded solder Message-ID: <001001d1f3df$4af74270$e0e5c750$@orange.fr> Hi Don, Thank you for your mail. I'm happy with your recommended solution. But I have an additional question : what temperature do you recommend for soldering a part with leaded solder on a ROHS board ? I my personal notes, inspired by what I read on the Elecraft Web site when I built my K2-100 in 2006-2007, I see 600 ? to 650 ? F for soldering and 700 ? F for desoldering. But these temperatures were for leaded solder on non ROHS parts. And thank you for your phenomenal reactivity and commitment vis-?-vis the Elecraft community ! Raymond, F4FNT >> The Elecraft boards comply with ROHS. You can use leaded solder. The solder used on the Elecraft boards is non-leaded, but leaded solder will mix with it just fine. I have used it many times. >> The problem with hand soldering with non-lead solder is that it does not flow well, so I stay away from it for my work. >> 73, Don W3FPR From alsopb at comcast.net Thu Aug 11 10:59:43 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 14:59:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 -TX test not sticky Message-ID: <57AC92DF.9020301@comcast.net> Recently I was doing something requiring that K3 not transmit power. TX test was selected. I expected that it would retain this setting after shutdown and subsequent restart. It does NOT stick with a K3 S/N 8XXX and FW 5.38. Is this the way it is supposed to work? Fortunately we didn't transmit into anything and destroy it. 73 de Brian/K3KO From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 11 11:05:01 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:05:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Leaded or non-leaded solder In-Reply-To: <001001d1f3df$4af74270$e0e5c750$@orange.fr> References: <001001d1f3df$4af74270$e0e5c750$@orange.fr> Message-ID: <98552a44-3bb0-3184-64b0-a8b756054459@embarqmail.com> Raymond, I typically set my soldering station at 750 degF and have not had a problem regardless of the board. If you are soldering temperature sensitive ICs, you may want to lower the temperature a bit, but for normal soldering of passive components, the higher temperature makes the task quicker. The board will not be harmed by the higher temperature, and that is true for ROHS or non ROHS boards. Where you have to be careful with temperature on the boards is with boards that do not have thru-plated holes where excessive temperature can lift PC traces and solder pads. There is a balance between temperature and soldering time. If you can get the iron on the connection and see the solder flow in 2 to 3 seconds, little harm will be done, but if you must maintain heat on a connection for more than 5 seconds that is when potential damage to the board or the component is possible. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/11/2016 10:47 AM, Raymond METZGER wrote: > Hi Don, > > Thank you for your mail. I'm happy with your recommended solution. But I > have an additional question : what temperature do you recommend for > soldering a part with leaded solder on a ROHS board ? > I my personal notes, inspired by what I read on the Elecraft Web site when I > built my K2-100 in 2006-2007, I see 600 ? to 650 ? F for soldering and 700 ? > F for desoldering. But these temperatures were for leaded solder on non ROHS > parts. > > And thank you for your phenomenal reactivity and commitment vis-?-vis the > Elecraft community ! > Raymond, F4FNT > >>> The Elecraft boards comply with ROHS. You can use leaded solder. The > solder used on the Elecraft boards is non-leaded, but leaded solder will mix > with it just fine. I have used it many times. >>> The problem with hand soldering with non-lead solder is that it does not > flow well, so I stay away from it for my work. >>> 73, Don W3FPR > > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 11 11:11:28 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:11:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alan, I am going to guess - the difference may be the result on the KAT3 present in the K3 or not present. My perusal of the K3 manual indicates that the ATU TUNE button refers to the KAT3 - I see no exceptions for the KAT500. I really don't know what happens if the KAT3 is not present. So for that K3, you would use TUNE for tuning the KAT500. In order for the KAT500 to find a match, set the K3 TUNE PWR menu to 10 watts or more (20 watts is better). 73, Don W3FPR On 8/11/2016 10:27 AM, G4GNX wrote: > Probably a few dumb questions but............... > > I?ve been trying to setup our club?s K3/KAT500 combination and it?s not performing as expected. At present, it?s just the K3 and KAT500, no linear involved. > > I?ve connected the AUX data cable to the K3 and KAT500 and I have a patch cable between K3 ANT1 and KAT500 XCVR connectors. This is the Aux cable supplied by Elecraft. > > The K3 CONFIG:KAT3 is set to KAT500Y and the KAT500 switches chosen antenna when the K3 band is changed as expected, so I presume that data is being passed correctly between them. > > However, when the KAT500 is set to AUTO, I can only initiate a tune cycle by holding the TUNE button on the K3. If I tap the ATU TUNE button on the K3, if the KAT3 is shown in BYPASS then nothing happens. If the KAT3 is shown in AUTO then the KAT3 does the tuning, not the KAT500. > Also, pressing the TUNE button on the KAT500 only seems to make the AUTO LED blink, although I?m guessing that it?s to indicate that I need to set the K3 to transmit (hold TUNE)? > > One of our members who has dealt with a lot of Elecraft equipment says that with the KAT500 correctly connected and CONFIG:KAT3 set to KAT500Y, tapping ATU TUNE should put the KAT500 into a tuning cycle, not the KAT3, which he says is a normal function. > > Am I totally misunderstanding how the system is supposed to work, being misled, or have I missed a CONFIG or setup step? > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 11 11:12:59 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:12:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 -TX test not sticky In-Reply-To: <57AC92DF.9020301@comcast.net> References: <57AC92DF.9020301@comcast.net> Message-ID: Brian, Yes, TX TEST will not survive a power cycle. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/11/2016 10:59 AM, brian wrote: > Recently I was doing something requiring that K3 not transmit power. > TX test was selected. > > I expected that it would retain this setting after shutdown and > subsequent restart. > > It does NOT stick with a K3 S/N 8XXX and FW 5.38. > From n3ikq at yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 11:21:13 2016 From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I just bought 20' of what was supposed to be 10GA zip wire from that auction site. It is clearly marked as "Audiopipe 10 Gauge speaker cable". The conductor is actually 12GA at best. Is this becoming common practice or is wire going the way of 2X4 lumber? Suggestions for a reputable source of true 10GA PTFE zip wire for K3 power? From alsopb at comcast.net Thu Aug 11 11:25:20 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:25:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 -TX test not sticky In-Reply-To: References: <57AC92DF.9020301@comcast.net> Message-ID: <57AC98E0.9020404@comcast.net> I wonder if this is an oversight or difficult to implement? The potential $$ it could save are large. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 8/11/2016 15:12 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Brian, > > Yes, TX TEST will not survive a power cycle. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/11/2016 10:59 AM, brian wrote: >> Recently I was doing something requiring that K3 not transmit power. >> TX test was selected. >> >> I expected that it would retain this setting after shutdown and >> subsequent restart. >> >> It does NOT stick with a K3 S/N 8XXX and FW 5.38. >> > From lists at subich.com Thu Aug 11 11:34:40 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:34:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 -TX test not sticky In-Reply-To: <57AC98E0.9020404@comcast.net> References: <57AC92DF.9020301@comcast.net> <57AC98E0.9020404@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2e4c056c-759e-4fe9-e2aa-7c865e305455@subich.com> I would not want it to survive power off and restart. It is too easy to be in TEST mode at the end of the day, shut down and forget it. Then on restarting the next day one spends time trying to figure out why the rig will not transmit ... no thanks! 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/11/2016 11:25 AM, brian wrote: > I wonder if this is an oversight or difficult to implement? > The potential $$ it could save are large. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > On 8/11/2016 15:12 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Brian, >> >> Yes, TX TEST will not survive a power cycle. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 8/11/2016 10:59 AM, brian wrote: From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 11:35:27 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:35:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 -TX test not sticky In-Reply-To: <57AC98E0.9020404@comcast.net> References: <57AC92DF.9020301@comcast.net> <57AC98E0.9020404@comcast.net> Message-ID: Not a chance :>). Not an oversight. Deliberate choice. Turning a rig off/on is supposed to reset everything except configuration settings and start it over after such things as power spikes, yada, yada. Having test mode persist across power cycles would create a lot of confusion. Same kind of angst as having a firmware update hang before completion. Test mode is and always has been TEMPORARY. If you want your no power out to persist, then turn PWR level to zero. That will persist. g. On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 11:25 AM, brian wrote: > I wonder if this is an oversight or difficult to implement? > The potential $$ it could save are large. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > On 8/11/2016 15:12 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Brian, >> >> Yes, TX TEST will not survive a power cycle. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 8/11/2016 10:59 AM, brian wrote: >> >>> Recently I was doing something requiring that K3 not transmit power. >>> TX test was selected. >>> >>> I expected that it would retain this setting after shutdown and >>> subsequent restart. >>> >>> It does NOT stick with a K3 S/N 8XXX and FW 5.38. >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 11 11:41:14 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:41:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would suggest buying from The RF Connection http://www.therfc.com/zipcord.htm or Powerwerx https://powerwerx.com/red-black-bonded-zip-cord. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/11/2016 11:21 AM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > I just bought 20' of what was supposed to be 10GA zip wire from that auction site. It is clearly marked as "Audiopipe 10 Gauge speaker cable". The conductor is actually 12GA at best. Is this becoming common practice or is wire going the way of 2X4 lumber? Suggestions for a reputable source of true 10GA PTFE zip wire for K3 power? > From w5sum at comcast.net Thu Aug 11 11:43:06 2016 From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 10:43:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> Is 10 gauge necessary? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 11, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > I would suggest buying from The RF Connection http://www.therfc.com/zipcord.htm or Powerwerx https://powerwerx.com/red-black-bonded-zip-cord. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 8/11/2016 11:21 AM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: >> I just bought 20' of what was supposed to be 10GA zip wire from that auction site. It is clearly marked as "Audiopipe 10 Gauge speaker cable". The conductor is actually 12GA at best. Is this becoming common practice or is wire going the way of 2X4 lumber? Suggestions for a reputable source of true 10GA PTFE zip wire for K3 power? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w5sum at comcast.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 11 11:59:30 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:59:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8d039a87-d1aa-7042-f100-7075c9860d12@embarqmail.com> Ronnie, It "all depends" I use 12 gauge myself, but the runs are less than 6 feet. For longer power cables, I would use 10 gauge or larger. #10 is .000999 ohms per foot #12 is .001588 ohms per foot. For 12 feet of conductor (yes, you have to count the resistance both directions) - at 18 amps current draw, the #10 will produce a .22 volt drop while #12 will produce a .34 volt drop. So take your pick, either increase your power supply voltage to compensate or go with the larger wire. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/11/2016 11:43 AM, Ronnie Hull wrote: > Is 10 gauge necessary? > > Sent from my iPhone > > From jd at ko8v.net Thu Aug 11 12:00:13 2016 From: jd at ko8v.net (Joe DeVincentis) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:00:13 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4A1FFDA6-2113-4D7C-8B71-0DE553764A87@ko8v.net> Depends on the run length and the voltage drop you are willing to tolerate. 10? of 10 gauge for 13.8 VDC @ 20A has a drop to 13.4V vs a drop to 13.16 for 12 gauge. Source: http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html Joe KO8V > On Aug 11, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Ronnie Hull wrote: > > Is 10 gauge necessary? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 11, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> I would suggest buying from The RF Connection http://www.therfc.com/zipcord.htm or Powerwerx https://powerwerx.com/red-black-bonded-zip-cord. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 8/11/2016 11:21 AM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: >>> I just bought 20' of what was supposed to be 10GA zip wire from that auction site. It is clearly marked as "Audiopipe 10 Gauge speaker cable". The conductor is actually 12GA at best. Is this becoming common practice or is wire going the way of 2X4 lumber? Suggestions for a reputable source of true 10GA PTFE zip wire for K3 power? >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w5sum at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jd at ko8v.net From sidfrissell at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 12:09:00 2016 From: sidfrissell at gmail.com (Sid Frissell) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 10:09:00 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s audio problem In-Reply-To: <005601d1f378$d7c0d8e0$87428aa0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <97747D75-2C48-44BF-B9F5-CBB5C1B114EE@gmail.com> <005601d1f378$d7c0d8e0$87428aa0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <2FAAF816-5D21-4226-A3C2-CC78E427CB8C@gmail.com> It works! When I set up for the mic I apparently got those settings tangled up with Data Mode too! Not sure how I did that. Don, W3FPR started me in the right direction by noting that Mic-select was mode specific. Then, more of you guys asked.me why I wasn't using the internal sound card (I had been using it for the last two years or so) that made me realize that I had something wrong with Mic-select and/or Mic+Line. In Data mode I set Mic-Select to Line In and Mic+Line to Off and all is now back in operation. As usual, the many "Elmers" on this site came through! Thanks to all who replied on and off list. Sid, NZ7M Sent From Sid Frissell's iPad > On Aug 10, 2016, at 8:34 PM, Mark E. Musick wrote: > > Sid, > Why aren't you using the sound card in the K3S? Then your JT65 and PSK > software talks to the K3S sound card through the USB cable. Then you do not > need external sound cards or connections to LINE IN, LINE OUT or the front > panel MIC jack. > I operate AFSK RTTY and this is how I have MTTY, N1MM and Writelog set up. > > Mark, WB9CIF > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don > Wilhelm > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1:29 AM > To: Sid Frissell ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s audio problem > > Sid, > > In that case, you would set the MIC SEL menu to FP.L as you have it, and > feed the soundcard output to the mic input. > > Note that this has nothing to do with your headset that you use for SSB. > Use DATA A mode rather than SSB because that data submode sets compression > to 1-1 and the TX EQ to flat. That setting is independent of any settings > you may have for SSB. > > I am just curious why you have not connected the soundcard output to the > Line In jack on the back of the K3 - it is not only more convenient when > switching between SSB and data modes, but it offers transformer isolation > for the soundcard lines. > > In either case, adjust the audio level to produce 4 bars solid with the 5th > bar flashing on the ALC meter - that is the "no ALC" point for the K3. Set > the power desired with the K3 power knob. > Ignore the "internet" advice to adjust the power using the audio level - > that does not work with the K3. Adjust the power level with the power knob. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 8/10/2016 8:37 PM, Sid Frissell wrote: >> Don and Bill-- I am using the front panel mike jack and Mic-select (Data > mode) is set FP.L. >> >> Sid, NZ7M > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net > From pincon at erols.com Thu Aug 11 12:17:26 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:17:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007201d1f3eb$dd9f3e00$98ddba00$@erols.com> Bad analogy. The 2 X 4 inch measurement of a piece of construction lumber is before planning, or rough cut lumber. The finished dimension is more like 3? X 1? which hasn't changed. However, you might be right on the speaker wire. Maybe some "secret" wire formula that is equivalent to 10 gauge. (HI) Sorta like the ? gallon of Ice cream that went from 1? to 1? quarts. Although they don't still CALL it a half gallon. It just looks the same. If you paid though pay-pal, just complain. They side with the buyer 99% of the time, so you'll more than likely, get you money back. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of rick jones via Elecraft Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:21 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? I just bought 20' of what was supposed to be 10GA zip wire from that auction site. It is clearly marked as "Audiopipe 10 Gauge speaker cable". The conductor is actually 12GA at best. Is this becoming common practice or is wire going the way of 2X4 lumber? Suggestions for a reputable source of true 10GA PTFE zip wire for K3 power? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From softblue at windstream.net Thu Aug 11 12:27:37 2016 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:27:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? Message-ID: <000c01d1f3ed$45dd3a20$d197ae60$@windstream.net> ?Is this becoming common practice or is wire going the way of 2X4 lumber?? ?Bad analogy. The 2 X 4 inch measurement of a piece of construction lumber is before planning, or rough cut lumber. The finished dimension is more like 3? X 1? which hasn't changed.? Not so bad an analogy. A planed 2 x 4 used to be 3 5/8? x 1 5/8?. 73, Dick ? KA5KKT From cautery at montac.com Thu Aug 11 12:32:23 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:32:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <178baa65-9a0e-9195-4873-5c1eea8fbb2c@montac.com> Well, I don't use "zip wire" for anything anymore... But if you want a good selection of wire at reasonable prices, and great quality... http://wesbellwireandcable.com/index.html I've bought by the foot and by the spool from these folks. Tell Matt I sent you. :) I suggest using 10 GA THHN/THWN wire in red and black.... then HAND twist it and terminate it with your Powerpole on one end and the lug terms or whatever you want on the other end. Use heatshrink or zip-ties to keep twists (not necessary for cables with PP on both ends... BTW, WesBell has heatshrink too... 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5Gt MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/11/2016 10:21 AM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > I just bought 20' of what was supposed to be 10GA zip wire from that auction site. It is clearly marked as "Audiopipe 10 Gauge speaker cable". The conductor is actually 12GA at best. Is this becoming common practice or is wire going the way of 2X4 lumber? Suggestions for a reputable source of true 10GA PTFE zip wire for K3 power? > ______________________________________________________________ > From cautery at montac.com Thu Aug 11 12:38:23 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:38:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> Message-ID: How do you define "necessary". Paraphrasing K9YC, Jim.... "Big wire is your friend". I agree... I typically use wire at least 2 sizes larger than "required".... Often the wire size is determined by how big of a wire I can FIT in the application and how much money I can part with at the time. For instance, on my current power project... I am running 6 AWG x 4 from the service to the sub-panel @ 50 foot run for a 60 Amp separately derived service where there'll never be more than about a 20 Amp total demand... >From the sub-panel to the receptacles about 3-1/2 feet below, I am using 10 AWG.... only because that's the largest wire the receptacle terminals are rated for. >From the receptacles to all equipment, minimum 10 AWG... Bigger and shorter the wire, the better... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/11/2016 10:43 AM, Ronnie Hull wrote: > Is 10 gauge necessary? > > Sent from my iPhone From ab2tc at arrl.net Thu Aug 11 12:47:45 2016 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 09:47:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1470934065381-7621517.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Don & Alan, Without the KAT3 present the ATU TUNE button has no effect other than displaying the "NO ATU" message briefly. This goes for both tap and hold. As you say, use the TUNE button to generate a medium power (set by "TUN PWR" in config) carrier. This will cause the KAT500 to recall a stored setting or tune if necessary if in AUTO mode. It's a little murky to me under what circumstances it will tune if in MANUAL mode, but it will usually at least do a recall of stored setting if it has one. AB2TC - Knut Don Wilhelm wrote > Alan, > > I am going to guess - the difference may be the result on the KAT3 > present in the K3 or not present. > > My perusal of the K3 manual indicates that the ATU TUNE button refers to > the KAT3 - I see no exceptions for the KAT500. I really don't know what > happens if the KAT3 is not present. > > So for that K3, you would use TUNE for tuning the KAT500. In order for > the KAT500 to find a match, set the K3 TUNE PWR menu to 10 watts or more > (20 watts is better). > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/11/2016 10:27 AM, G4GNX wrote: >> Probably a few dumb questions but............... >> >> I?ve been trying to setup our club?s K3/KAT500 combination and it?s not >> performing as expected. At present, it?s just the K3 and KAT500, no >> linear involved. >> >> I?ve connected the AUX data cable to the K3 and KAT500 and I have a patch >> cable between K3 ANT1 and KAT500 XCVR connectors. This is the Aux cable >> supplied by Elecraft. >> >> The K3 CONFIG:KAT3 is set to KAT500Y and the KAT500 switches chosen >> antenna when the K3 band is changed as expected, so I presume that data >> is being passed correctly between them. >> >> However, when the KAT500 is set to AUTO, I can only initiate a tune cycle >> by holding the TUNE button on the K3. If I tap the ATU TUNE button on the >> K3, if the KAT3 is shown in BYPASS then nothing happens. If the KAT3 is >> shown in AUTO then the KAT3 does the tuning, not the KAT500. >> Also, pressing the TUNE button on the KAT500 only seems to make the AUTO >> LED blink, although I?m guessing that it?s to indicate that I need to set >> the K3 to transmit (hold TUNE)? >> >> One of our members who has dealt with a lot of Elecraft equipment says >> that with the KAT500 correctly connected and CONFIG:KAT3 set to KAT500Y, >> tapping ATU TUNE should put the KAT500 into a tuning cycle, not the KAT3, >> which he says is a normal function. >> >> Am I totally misunderstanding how the system is supposed to work, being >> misled, or have I missed a CONFIG or setup step? >> > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-KAT500-tp7621498p7621517.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From alsopb at comcast.net Thu Aug 11 12:48:32 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:48:32 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 -TX test not sticky In-Reply-To: <2e4c056c-759e-4fe9-e2aa-7c865e305455@subich.com> References: <57AC92DF.9020301@comcast.net> <57AC98E0.9020404@comcast.net> <2e4c056c-759e-4fe9-e2aa-7c865e305455@subich.com> Message-ID: <57ACAC60.1030102@comcast.net> I guess we can agree to disagree. It is not as if the K3 doesn't tell you it's in the TX test mode. Pretty obvious -- especially if you set it purposely. It is far less destructive in the TX test mode! If you also have to turn the power manually to zero, what's the point of having a TX test button? I don't agree that making it sticky would cause any appreciable number of additional support issues. There have been plenty of "support problems" related to TX test with it not being sticky. I'm sure it's on the list at Elecraft as an item to check if there is no power output. Interesting that the K3 manual doesn't mention TX test mode as a reason for No Power Out. Also I never thought power down and power up was supposed to "fix" conscious user settings deemed "inappropriate"-- whatever inappropriate means. It would be nice to know which settings are not sticky on power up/power down. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 8/11/2016 15:34 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > I would not want it to survive power off and restart. It is too easy > to be in TEST mode at the end of the day, shut down and forget it. > Then on restarting the next day one spends time trying to figure out > why the rig will not transmit ... no thanks! > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > > On 8/11/2016 11:25 AM, brian wrote: >> I wonder if this is an oversight or difficult to implement? >> The potential $$ it could save are large. >> >> 73 de Brian/K3KO >> On 8/11/2016 15:12 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> Brian, >>> >>> Yes, TX TEST will not survive a power cycle. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 8/11/2016 10:59 AM, brian wrote: > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 11 13:11:38 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 10:11:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2f6886a7-91ab-3dcf-8929-39f60991b463@audiosystemsgroup.com> Over the years, I've bought some of the red/black zip cord at hamfests. While I have not measured any of it with a micrometer, my strong impression has been that it IS smaller than labeled. More to the point -- zip cord is TERRIBLE cable for loudspeaker wiring because it has very poor RF rejection. It has been well known for more than 120 years that twisted pair has quite powerful rejection of all interference, from a few Hz to high RF. Think about it -- for the first 100+ years of telephony, telephone wiring ran EVERYWHERE on the same poles as 60 Hz power lines with no interference. Their ONLY measure to reject 60 Hz was to have the telephone lines cross over each other every few poles along the run. This was enough of a twist when the only interference was 60 Hz. Even today, there are huge quantities of telephone, intercom, and even audio wiring carried on unshielded twisted pair. CAT5/6 carry high data rate signals on opposing pairs without interference. At tutorial lectures, I've demonstrated ordinary CAT5 providing RF rejection as good as shielded twisted pair into the high VHF range. And I've solved more than a dozen instances of RFI to home entertainment systems simply by replacing glorified zip cord with twisted pairs of #12 POC (plain, ordinary copper). For the same reason, twisted pair is superior for power wiring in our stations. As to resistance -- I use the shortest practical runs of #10 between my power source (a big 100Ah LiFePO4 battery) and my two K3s. I do this because like most 12V radios, it's cleaner (lower levels of key clicks) at higher supply voltages. 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,8/11/2016 8:21 AM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > I just bought 20' of what was supposed to be 10GA zip wire from that auction site. It is clearly marked as "Audiopipe 10 Gauge speaker cable". The conductor is actually 12GA at best. Is this becoming common practice or is wire going the way of 2X4 lumber? Suggestions for a reputable source of true 10GA PTFE zip wire for K3 power? From n3ikq at yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 13:22:56 2016 From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? References: <425940994.3879151.1470936176948.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <425940994.3879151.1470936176948.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I'm making up a 20' cord to go from my car battery to any given picnic table for portable ops so 10 gauge would probably be appropriate when I want to go QRO. Yes someday I'll get a deep cycle and/or solar panel and someday later I'll put it all in an RV but for now I just want to go to the park! From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 11 13:29:08 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 10:29:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Real 2" x 4" Lumber In-Reply-To: <007201d1f3eb$dd9f3e00$98ddba00$@erols.com> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <007201d1f3eb$dd9f3e00$98ddba00$@erols.com> Message-ID: <5b767285-fbc8-4230-81da-5281935d80bd@audiosystemsgroup.com> Indeed the finished dimension of lumber HAS changed. Renovating the wood frame home I owned in Chicago, built around the turn of the century, after the Great Chicago Fire, I found REAL 2" x 4" and 2" x 6" lumber. I also removed at least 100 ft of gas pipe used for lighting. When first wired for electricity, wiring was run through those pipes and light fixtures replaced the gas lights. Obviously, they were first disconnected from the gas line, which was still used for heat. :) Another thing that's changed is the sweet corn that we can buy in the market -- it's now much sweeter with little real corn taste. As long as I've been eating it, corn was always hybridized for taste, but it always tasted like corn. What we get now is hybridized and genetically engineered stuff that resists the chemicals used to kill weeds. It looks like corn, but tastes like a sugar bowl. Small farmers used to harvest their own seeds to plant next year's crop, and to grow corn that tasted the way they and their customers wanted. But when that chemical resistant stuff was invented something like 10 years ago, Monsanto, the big seed company that invented it, sued those farmers, claiming that some of their patented stuff had cross-fertilized those corn plants, and within a few years, that phony corn is all we can buy. I used to buy a half dozen ears, steam them, and eat them for lunch. I haven't been able to do that for years. 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,8/11/2016 9:17 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > Bad analogy. The 2 X 4 inch measurement of a piece of construction lumber > is before planning, or rough cut lumber. The finished dimension is more > like 3? X 1? which hasn't changed. From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 13:30:14 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:30:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> Message-ID: If the feed to the sub-panel has 60 amp breakers in the main panel, then #6 AWG feed to the sub-panel is required by the NEC code. That you estimate at this time you do not ever use more than 20 amps out of the sub-panel has no bearing on the ampacity requirement for the sub-panel. A subsequent occupant of your property may chose to expand use of the sub-panel to the degree implied by the main panel breakers for the sub-.panel. The code is intended to protect future occupants as well. 73, Guy K2AV On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > How do you define "necessary". > > Paraphrasing K9YC, Jim.... "Big wire is your friend". > > I agree... > > I typically use wire at least 2 sizes larger than "required".... Often > the wire size is determined by how big of a wire I can FIT in the > application and how much money I can part with at the time. > > For instance, on my current power project... I am running 6 AWG x 4 from > the service to the sub-panel @ 50 foot run for a 60 Amp separately > derived service where there'll never be more than about a 20 Amp total > demand... > > From the sub-panel to the receptacles about 3-1/2 feet below, I am using > 10 AWG.... only because that's the largest wire the receptacle > terminals are rated for. > > From the receptacles to all equipment, minimum 10 AWG... > > Bigger and shorter the wire, the better... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 8/11/2016 10:43 AM, Ronnie Hull wrote: > > Is 10 gauge necessary? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From cautery at montac.com Thu Aug 11 13:42:51 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:42:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> Message-ID: <34907373-149c-43d8-6196-262d2c59ca99@montac.com> Guy, I am intimately aware of the code... I started out with a 40 Amp breaker at the service to the sub... I changed it to a 60Amp to "match" the 6AWG run... I would never install anything that was not up to code or use non-UL materials... And I always have my work double-checked by a respected master electrician. My POINT was that for the max 20 Amp demand that will likely ever be seen from that sub, the 6AWG is much bigger than required... specifically to reduce voltage drops... The twisted pairs and conduit are not "required" by code either, but are there to help keep the power "quiet". ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/11/2016 12:30 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > If the feed to the sub-panel has 60 amp breakers in the main panel, > then #6 AWG feed to the sub-panel is required by the NEC code. That > you estimate at this time you do not ever use more than 20 amps out of > the sub-panel has no bearing on the ampacity requirement for the > sub-panel. A subsequent occupant of your property may chose to expand > use of the sub-panel to the degree implied by the main panel breakers > for the sub-.panel. The code is intended to protect future occupants > as well. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Clay Autery > wrote: > > How do you define "necessary". > > Paraphrasing K9YC, Jim.... "Big wire is your friend". > > I agree... > > I typically use wire at least 2 sizes larger than "required".... > Often > the wire size is determined by how big of a wire I can FIT in the > application and how much money I can part with at the time. > > For instance, on my current power project... I am running 6 AWG x > 4 from > the service to the sub-panel @ 50 foot run for a 60 Amp separately > derived service where there'll never be more than about a 20 Amp total > demand... > > From the sub-panel to the receptacles about 3-1/2 feet below, I am > using > 10 AWG.... only because that's the largest wire the receptacle > terminals are rated for. > > From the receptacles to all equipment, minimum 10 AWG... > > Bigger and shorter the wire, the better... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 8/11/2016 10:43 AM, Ronnie Hull wrote: > > Is 10 gauge necessary? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 13:46:54 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:46:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 -TX test not sticky In-Reply-To: <57ACAC60.1030102@comcast.net> References: <57AC92DF.9020301@comcast.net> <57AC98E0.9020404@comcast.net> <2e4c056c-759e-4fe9-e2aa-7c865e305455@subich.com> <57ACAC60.1030102@comcast.net> Message-ID: Setting power to zero is a very simple way to set a persistent no-power state that bridges transceiver on/off, which gives you your work-around. I would assume that kind of usage is very rare. Turning off the power just long enough to try out all the macro settings before jumping into a contest is handled well by TX TEST, without any sticky attribute, just as it is. I HAVE myself turned PWR down to zero when putting up an AIM4170 to see the K3's RX input impedances on different bands and inputs, knowing from somewhere (intuitively?) that TX TEST would not persist, or I could release it by accidentally holding a "MODE" press too long. I never expected TX TEST to persist. For those who currently do NOT expect TX TEST to persist, converting that to sticky is just going to generate tech support calls. 73, Guy On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:48 PM, brian wrote: > I guess we can agree to disagree. > > It is not as if the K3 doesn't tell you it's in the TX test mode. Pretty > obvious -- especially if you set it purposely. > > It is far less destructive in the TX test mode! > > If you also have to turn the power manually to zero, what's the point of > having a TX test button? > > I don't agree that making it sticky would cause any appreciable number of > additional support issues. There have been plenty of "support problems" > related to TX test with it not being sticky. I'm sure it's on the list at > Elecraft as an item to check if there is no power output. Interesting that > the K3 manual doesn't mention TX test mode as a reason for No Power Out. > > Also I never thought power down and power up was supposed to "fix" > conscious user settings deemed "inappropriate"-- whatever inappropriate > means. > > It would be nice to know which settings are not sticky on power up/power > down. > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > On 8/11/2016 15:34 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> >> I would not want it to survive power off and restart. It is too easy >> to be in TEST mode at the end of the day, shut down and forget it. >> Then on restarting the next day one spends time trying to figure out >> why the rig will not transmit ... no thanks! >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> >> On 8/11/2016 11:25 AM, brian wrote: >> >>> I wonder if this is an oversight or difficult to implement? >>> The potential $$ it could save are large. >>> >>> 73 de Brian/K3KO >>> On 8/11/2016 15:12 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> >>>> Brian, >>>> >>>> Yes, TX TEST will not survive a power cycle. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>> On 8/11/2016 10:59 AM, brian wrote: >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Aug 11 13:56:48 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 10:56:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No Rick, they have developed a new plating process [Cu on Cu] that makes 12 ga wire perform like 10 ga wire. Now, if you wanted to use it for speaker wire, you would need yet another plating to prevent audio distortion and achieve the highest fidelity. That makes it more expensive. At least that's what I saw on the Internet and you're not allowed to put anything on the Internet that isn't true ... 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 8/11/2016 8:21 AM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: > I just bought 20' of what was supposed to be 10GA zip wire from that > auction site. It is clearly marked as "Audiopipe 10 Gauge speaker > cable". The conductor is actually 12GA at best. Is this becoming > common practice or is wire going the way of 2X4 lumber? From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Thu Aug 11 13:57:24 2016 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:57:24 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 In-Reply-To: <1470934065381-7621517.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470934065381-7621517.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <328687EDFE3F42A2A50F1F929A76AE2F@Paramount> Hi Don and Knut. Thank you both for your replies, most helpful. In this particular case the KAT3 is present, which is exactly the same as my own K3. The club bought one from a SK club member estate and I bought from another. Sad, but life's like that! Anyway, both K3s came with a KAT3 installed and I purchased the KAT500 as a kit. I believe the club's one came with the K3. I will be using a KPA500 soon, but the club uses a Tokyo linear which they bought elsewhere. Anyway, what I'm trying to do is to put it all together so that it's a single setup, whether the Tokyo's present or not. That would mean the the KAT500 would always be used and the linear connected as needed. I think we're probably all in agreement that to initiate a KAT500 tune cycle (Auto or Manual) it's necessary to hold the TUNE button and tap it again when done. It does not switch the TX off when the tuner gets a good match. I'm sure we're all correct and the ATU TUNE only refers to the KAT3. I've also been through the owners manual and the Fred Cady book and not found anything to the contrary. I've set TUNE PWR to 20 Watts as suggested and it's interesting to watch the power display during tuning, where the SWR comes down and the power goes up until it reaches 20W. It would be a nice facility to have the KAT500 be recognised by the K3 and allow a tuning sequence initiated by ATU TUNE and when a match is found and stored, the K3 would return automatically to RX. I wonder if the Elecraft development guys will see this or is there a better place to make suggestions? 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: ab2tc Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 5:47 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 Hi Don & Alan, Without the KAT3 present the ATU TUNE button has no effect other than displaying the "NO ATU" message briefly. This goes for both tap and hold. As you say, use the TUNE button to generate a medium power (set by "TUN PWR" in config) carrier. This will cause the KAT500 to recall a stored setting or tune if necessary if in AUTO mode. It's a little murky to me under what circumstances it will tune if in MANUAL mode, but it will usually at least do a recall of stored setting if it has one. AB2TC - Knut Don Wilhelm wrote > Alan, > > I am going to guess - the difference may be the result on the KAT3 > present in the K3 or not present. > > My perusal of the K3 manual indicates that the ATU TUNE button refers to > the KAT3 - I see no exceptions for the KAT500. I really don't know what > happens if the KAT3 is not present. > > So for that K3, you would use TUNE for tuning the KAT500. In order for > the KAT500 to find a match, set the K3 TUNE PWR menu to 10 watts or more > (20 watts is better). > > 73, > Don W3FPR From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 11 13:59:54 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:59:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/KAT500 In-Reply-To: <1470934065381-7621517.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470934065381-7621517.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Knut, The KAT500 in manual mode will recall the tuner settings that were last used for a particular band segment and antenna. Hence the strong suggestion that you "train" the KAT500 - set it to AUTO and do a TUNE on each band segment and each antenna that you intend to use for that band segment. You do not have to repeat that unless you change antennas. Once that is accomplished, put the KAT500 into MANUAL - it will not auto tune, but it will recall the settings for that band and antenna automatically. If you leave it in AUTO mode, there is a chance that it will detect a false high SWR and attempt to tune when you transmit. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/11/2016 12:47 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi Don & Alan, > > Without the KAT3 present the ATU TUNE button has no effect other than > displaying the "NO ATU" message briefly. This goes for both tap and hold. As > you say, use the TUNE button to generate a medium power (set by "TUN PWR" in > config) carrier. This will cause the KAT500 to recall a stored setting or > tune if necessary if in AUTO mode. It's a little murky to me under what > circumstances it will tune if in MANUAL mode, but it will usually at least > do a recall of stored setting if it has one. > > From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Thu Aug 11 14:07:45 2016 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 19:07:45 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] 60 metre issue In-Reply-To: <1470934065381-7621517.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1470934065381-7621517.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Further to my messing about with tuners, I've just discovered that the K3 will not allow me to tune an antenna below about 5.350MHz which appears to be the band edge in the USA. In the UK, we're allowed to use 60M down to 5.258MHz, so it would be helpful to be able to tune the TX down to that. I've not tried to transmit voice or CW, but I assume the K3 won't allow that either? Does anyone know of a way to persuade the K3 where the UK band edges are? I've perused the manuals and can only find a reference to eliminating the entire band from the band list. 73, Alan. G4GNX From kevin at k4vd.net Thu Aug 11 14:12:23 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 14:12:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> Message-ID: The added cost of a 3x over-build seems like it would be awfully high. Is this good engineering practice (seriously, I don't know)? Kevin K4VD On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > How do you define "necessary". > > Paraphrasing K9YC, Jim.... "Big wire is your friend". > > I agree... > > I typically use wire at least 2 sizes larger than "required".... Often > the wire size is determined by how big of a wire I can FIT in the > application and how much money I can part with at the time. > > For instance, on my current power project... I am running 6 AWG x 4 from > the service to the sub-panel @ 50 foot run for a 60 Amp separately > derived service where there'll never be more than about a 20 Amp total > demand... > > From the sub-panel to the receptacles about 3-1/2 feet below, I am using > 10 AWG.... only because that's the largest wire the receptacle > terminals are rated for. > > From the receptacles to all equipment, minimum 10 AWG... > > Bigger and shorter the wire, the better... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 8/11/2016 10:43 AM, Ronnie Hull wrote: > > Is 10 gauge necessary? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin at k4vd.net > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 11 14:18:35 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 14:18:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 60 metre issue In-Reply-To: References: <1470934065381-7621517.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3f14193c-2d46-5f7f-ad23-1abe901525bd@embarqmail.com> Alan, Contact K3support at elecraft.com and they should be able to help you with it. There is firmware to change the band edges. Run it once and it is done. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/11/2016 2:07 PM, G4GNX wrote: > Further to my messing about with tuners, I've just discovered that the > K3 will not allow me to tune an antenna below about 5.350MHz which > appears to be the band edge in the USA. > In the UK, we're allowed to use 60M down to 5.258MHz, so it would be > helpful to be able to tune the TX down to that. I've not tried to > transmit voice or CW, but I assume the K3 won't allow that either? > Does anyone know of a way to persuade the K3 where the UK band edges > are? I've perused the manuals and can only find a reference to > eliminating the entire band from the band list. > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From eric_csuf at hotmail.com Thu Aug 11 14:41:49 2016 From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (EricJ) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:41:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: <007201d1f3eb$dd9f3e00$98ddba00$@erols.com> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <007201d1f3eb$dd9f3e00$98ddba00$@erols.com> Message-ID: Same with shoe sizes. I've gone from a Size 9 to a Size 11 and nothing I have related to shoe size got any bigger. Eric KE6US On 8/11/2016 9:17 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > Bad analogy. The 2 X 4 inch measurement of a piece of construction lumber > is before planning, or rough cut lumber. The finished dimension is more > like 3? X 1? which hasn't changed. > However, you might be right on the speaker wire. Maybe some "secret" wire > formula that is equivalent to 10 gauge. (HI) > > Sorta like the ? gallon of Ice cream that went from 1? to 1? quarts. > Although they don't still CALL it a half gallon. It just looks the same. > > If you paid though pay-pal, just complain. They side with the buyer 99% of > the time, so you'll more than likely, get you money back. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of rick > jones via Elecraft > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:21 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? > > I just bought 20' of what was supposed to be 10GA zip wire from that auction > site. It is clearly marked as "Audiopipe 10 Gauge speaker cable". The > conductor is actually 12GA at best. Is this becoming common practice or is > wire going the way of 2X4 lumber? Suggestions for a reputable source of true > 10GA PTFE zip wire for K3 power? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to pincon at erols.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From lew at n6lew.us Thu Aug 11 15:03:35 2016 From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:03:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements (was: Zip Wire Misrepresentation?) In-Reply-To: References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> Message-ID: I?ve changed the subject line because this discussion has strayed from the original question. At retail rates (e.g. price per foot from lower.com) #6 wire is 89 cents per foot, and #12 wire is 8.2 cents per foot; assuming Clay?s 50 foot run and 3 wires for a 110 VAC circuit with ground, per NEC, the added cost for wire would be $121.20. Is it ?good engineering practice?? It seems to be to be OK from an electrical standpoint, albeit unnecessary, and unnecessary from a cost standpoint, albeit not harmful. I can certainly understand ?over-specifying? wire size in a 12 volt circuit, and using larger wire size than is required simply from considering ampacity, because the voltage drop is a much larger change proportionally, but I really don?t see the benefit from the expense and added installation difficulty of using larger-than-required wire for a 120VAC supply circuit. according to the online calculator at http://www.southwire.com/support/voltage-drop-calculator.htm, which takes into account both resistance and reactance of the wire: ? for a 50 foot run of cable of #6 wire, at 20 amps and 120 volts AC single phase, the total voltage drop will be 0.884 volt, or 0.74%, for a net voltage at the end of the circuit of 119.1 volts (rounding) ? for the same run with #12 wire, the total voltage drop will be 3.472 volts, or 2.90 percent, for a net voltage at the end of the circuit of 116.5 volts (rounding). The 3.47 volt drop would be intolerable in a 12 volt circuit providing power directly to amateur radio equipment, but seems to me irrelevant if feeding a competently-designed power supply that reduces the 120 volts AC supply to some lower voltage of DC supply. Any ham radio power supply that is specified to operate on 120 VAC should be able to operate without difficulty from a 116.5 volts supply. So, why go to the extra expense of #6 wire? While it seems to me to be to be harmless to ?over-spec? the wire size, it also seems expensive and not necessary either per requirements of Section of 310-15 of the NEC or from a ?good operating practices? perspective. Lew N6LEW > On Aug 11, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > > The added cost of a 3x over-build seems like it would be awfully high. Is > this good engineering practice (seriously, I don't know)? > > Kevin K4VD > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Clay Autery > wrote: > >> How do you define "necessary". >> >> Paraphrasing K9YC, Jim.... "Big wire is your friend". >> >> I agree... >> >> I typically use wire at least 2 sizes larger than "required".... Often >> the wire size is determined by how big of a wire I can FIT in the >> application and how much money I can part with at the time. >> >> For instance, on my current power project... I am running 6 AWG x 4 from >> the service to the sub-panel @ 50 foot run for a 60 Amp separately >> derived service where there'll never be more than about a 20 Amp total >> demand... >> >> From the sub-panel to the receptacles about 3-1/2 feet below, I am using >> 10 AWG.... only because that's the largest wire the receptacle >> terminals are rated for. >> >> From the receptacles to all equipment, minimum 10 AWG... >> >> Bigger and shorter the wire, the better... >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >> On 8/11/2016 10:43 AM, Ronnie Hull wrote: >>> Is 10 gauge necessary? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kevin at k4vd.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lew at n6lew.us Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 Yaesu FT-7800 Lew at N6LEW.US www.n6lew.us Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart. From lew at n6lew.us Thu Aug 11 15:05:49 2016 From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:05:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements (was: Zip Wire Misrepresentation?) In-Reply-To: References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> Message-ID: Sorry, auto spell correct got in the way. That should have read ?lowes.com? lew > On Aug 11, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Lewis Phelps wrote: > > I?ve changed the subject line because this discussion has strayed from the original question. > > At retail rates (e.g. price per foot from lower.com ) #6 wire is 89 cents per foot, and #12 wire is 8.2 cents per foot; assuming Clay?s 50 foot run and 3 wires for a 110 VAC circuit with ground, per NEC, the added cost for wire would be $121.20. > > Is it ?good engineering practice?? It seems to be to be OK from an electrical standpoint, albeit unnecessary, and unnecessary from a cost standpoint, albeit not harmful. > > I can certainly understand ?over-specifying? wire size in a 12 volt circuit, and using larger wire size than is required simply from considering ampacity, because the voltage drop is a much larger change proportionally, but I really don?t see the benefit from the expense and added installation difficulty of using larger-than-required wire for a 120VAC supply circuit. > > according to the online calculator at http://www.southwire.com/support/voltage-drop-calculator.htm , which takes into account both resistance and reactance of the wire: > > ? for a 50 foot run of cable of #6 wire, at 20 amps and 120 volts AC single phase, the total voltage drop will be 0.884 volt, or 0.74%, for a net voltage at the end of the circuit of 119.1 volts (rounding) > ? for the same run with #12 wire, the total voltage drop will be 3.472 volts, or 2.90 percent, for a net voltage at the end of the circuit of 116.5 volts (rounding). > > The 3.47 volt drop would be intolerable in a 12 volt circuit providing power directly to amateur radio equipment, but seems to me irrelevant if feeding a competently-designed power supply that reduces the 120 volts AC supply to some lower voltage of DC supply. Any ham radio power supply that is specified to operate on 120 VAC should be able to operate without difficulty from a 116.5 volts supply. > > So, why go to the extra expense of #6 wire? While it seems to me to be to be harmless to ?over-spec? the wire size, it also seems expensive and not necessary either per requirements of Section of 310-15 of the NEC or from a ?good operating practices? perspective. > > Lew N6LEW > > > >> On Aug 11, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Kevin - K4VD > wrote: >> >> The added cost of a 3x over-build seems like it would be awfully high. Is >> this good engineering practice (seriously, I don't know)? >> >> Kevin K4VD >> >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Clay Autery > wrote: >> >>> How do you define "necessary". >>> >>> Paraphrasing K9YC, Jim.... "Big wire is your friend". >>> >>> I agree... >>> >>> I typically use wire at least 2 sizes larger than "required".... Often >>> the wire size is determined by how big of a wire I can FIT in the >>> application and how much money I can part with at the time. >>> >>> For instance, on my current power project... I am running 6 AWG x 4 from >>> the service to the sub-panel @ 50 foot run for a 60 Amp separately >>> derived service where there'll never be more than about a 20 Amp total >>> demand... >>> >>> From the sub-panel to the receptacles about 3-1/2 feet below, I am using >>> 10 AWG.... only because that's the largest wire the receptacle >>> terminals are rated for. >>> >>> From the receptacles to all equipment, minimum 10 AWG... >>> >>> Bigger and shorter the wire, the better... >>> >>> ______________________ >>> Clay Autery, KY5G >>> MONTAC Enterprises >>> (318) 518-1389 >>> >>> On 8/11/2016 10:43 AM, Ronnie Hull wrote: >>>> Is 10 gauge necessary? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kevin at k4vd.net >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lew at n6lew.us > Lew Phelps N6LEW > Pasadena, CA DM04wd > Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 > Yaesu FT-7800 > Lew at N6LEW.US > www.n6lew.us > > Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart. > > > > > Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 Yaesu FT-7800 Lew at N6LEW.US www.n6lew.us Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart. From G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk Thu Aug 11 15:17:33 2016 From: G4GNX at theatreorgans.co.uk (G4GNX) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 20:17:33 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] 60 metre issue In-Reply-To: <3f14193c-2d46-5f7f-ad23-1abe901525bd@embarqmail.com> References: <1470934065381-7621517.post@n2.nabble.com> <3f14193c-2d46-5f7f-ad23-1abe901525bd@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Don and Tom, I'll do just that right away. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:18 PM To: G4GNX ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 60 metre issue Alan, Contact K3support at elecraft.com and they should be able to help you with it. There is firmware to change the band edges. Run it once and it is done. 73, Don W3FPR From lew at n6lew.us Thu Aug 11 15:45:14 2016 From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:45:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements In-Reply-To: References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8F5AD677-AC96-4D4A-8031-5E31A5052406@n6lew.us> Depends on the conduit size. Half inch conduit can only carry two #6 wires per NEC, but 3/4? conduit is OK for four #6 wires. But we weren?t talking here about pulling wire out of an existing conduit, I don?t think.. This was described as a new installation by a code-savvy op, who no doubt is using properly sized conduit.. Lew N6LEW > On Aug 11, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > On 8/11/2016 12:03 PM, Lewis Phelps wrote: >> So, why go to the extra expense of #6 wire? While it seems to me to be to be harmless to ?over-spec? the wire size, it also seems expensive and not necessary either per requirements of Section of 310-15 of the NEC or from a ?good operating practices? perspective. > IIRC, there is discussion in the NEC about the total cross section of wires in conduit. Pulling #10 from existing conduit and replacing it with #6 could in fact be a code violation? > > -- Lynn Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 Yaesu FT-7800 Lew at N6LEW.US www.n6lew.us Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart. From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 15:46:54 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:46:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements (was: Zip Wire Misrepresentation?) In-Reply-To: References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> Message-ID: It really depends on physical environment particulars, and what it is you are sizing your DC currents for. If you are talking about 4 feet, that's one thing. But if it's an RV and you are wiring up a 13.8 V DC supply circuit run from house batteries, which are where they are, to the only place in the RV you can stuff a ham shack, and it's 46.5 feet via the only possible wiring routing, then voltage drop is a big issue if you want to run a K3 plus whatever from there. It's even more interesting if what you are planning for is TWO K3's plus two laptops and whatever, and that's going to be two regular FD operating positions in a lazy and air-conditioned comfortable RV with facilities, and a cold fridge at the ready. I'll run the #4 direct from the battery terminals, and fuse it at 50 amps. That will allow the big T105 batteries to feed peak current to the shack, without having to have up-size the charger-converter (which needs to be sized to the batteries' bulk charge rate, not the load). Let the charger-converter and all that house DC wiring just worry about keeping the battery charged, just like we had gone to a site without park power, and had to do the battery plus generator afternoons thing. Gen comes on and charger-converter runs bulk charge current for a long period. They're made to do that. Also it allows us to run the air-conditioning and the house on the generator and use the T105's for class 2B on FD. Just use the regular house battery disconnect and the big batteries are all the transceivers ever see. In this kind of consideration, spending the absolute least amount of money possible is not the prime consideration, and a stiff supply voltage at the far end would justify spending money for copper. 73, Guy. On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Lewis Phelps wrote: > I?ve changed the subject line because this discussion has strayed from the > original question. > > At retail rates (e.g. price per foot from lower.com) #6 wire is 89 cents > per foot, and #12 wire is 8.2 cents per foot; assuming Clay?s 50 foot run > and 3 wires for a 110 VAC circuit with ground, per NEC, the added cost for > wire would be $121.20. > > Is it ?good engineering practice?? It seems to be to be OK from an > electrical standpoint, albeit unnecessary, and unnecessary from a cost > standpoint, albeit not harmful. > > I can certainly understand ?over-specifying? wire size in a 12 volt > circuit, and using larger wire size than is required simply from > considering ampacity, because the voltage drop is a much larger change > proportionally, but I really don?t see the benefit from the expense and > added installation difficulty of using larger-than-required wire for a > 120VAC supply circuit. > > according to the online calculator at http://www.southwire.com/ > support/voltage-drop-calculator.htm, which takes into account both > resistance and reactance of the wire: > > ? for a 50 foot run of cable of #6 wire, at 20 amps and 120 volts AC > single phase, the total voltage drop will be 0.884 volt, or 0.74%, for a > net voltage at the end of the circuit of 119.1 volts (rounding) > ? for the same run with #12 wire, the total voltage drop will be 3.472 > volts, or 2.90 percent, for a net voltage at the end of the circuit of > 116.5 volts (rounding). > > The 3.47 volt drop would be intolerable in a 12 volt circuit providing > power directly to amateur radio equipment, but seems to me irrelevant if > feeding a competently-designed power supply that reduces the 120 volts AC > supply to some lower voltage of DC supply. Any ham radio power supply that > is specified to operate on 120 VAC should be able to operate without > difficulty from a 116.5 volts supply. > > So, why go to the extra expense of #6 wire? While it seems to me to be to > be harmless to ?over-spec? the wire size, it also seems expensive and not > necessary either per requirements of Section of 310-15 of the NEC or from a > ?good operating practices? perspective. > > Lew N6LEW > > > > > On Aug 11, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > > > > The added cost of a 3x over-build seems like it would be awfully high. Is > > this good engineering practice (seriously, I don't know)? > > > > Kevin K4VD > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Clay Autery > wrote: > > > >> How do you define "necessary". > >> > >> Paraphrasing K9YC, Jim.... "Big wire is your friend". > >> > >> I agree... > >> > >> I typically use wire at least 2 sizes larger than "required".... Often > >> the wire size is determined by how big of a wire I can FIT in the > >> application and how much money I can part with at the time. > >> > >> For instance, on my current power project... I am running 6 AWG x 4 from > >> the service to the sub-panel @ 50 foot run for a 60 Amp separately > >> derived service where there'll never be more than about a 20 Amp total > >> demand... > >> > >> From the sub-panel to the receptacles about 3-1/2 feet below, I am using > >> 10 AWG.... only because that's the largest wire the receptacle > >> terminals are rated for. > >> > >> From the receptacles to all equipment, minimum 10 AWG... > >> > >> Bigger and shorter the wire, the better... > >> > >> ______________________ > >> Clay Autery, KY5G > >> MONTAC Enterprises > >> (318) 518-1389 > >> > >> On 8/11/2016 10:43 AM, Ronnie Hull wrote: > >>> Is 10 gauge necessary? > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to kevin at k4vd.net > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft < > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html < > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html> > > Message delivered to lew at n6lew.us > Lew Phelps N6LEW > Pasadena, CA DM04wd > Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 > Yaesu FT-7800 > Lew at N6LEW.US > www.n6lew.us > > Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put > together will fall apart. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Aug 11 16:02:33 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:02:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: <2f6886a7-91ab-3dcf-8929-39f60991b463@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <2f6886a7-91ab-3dcf-8929-39f60991b463@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <76d4f8a4-80cd-eace-97c4-50847383c9a4@triconet.org> The number of tragedies in my life suggest otherwise, but in this case, I must live a charmed life. I have never had RFI issues while using zip cord for speaker wiring in and around my ham shack. I have used the red/black stuff for DC wiring but lately I'm using 10 AWG wire made for low-voltage landscaping use. I also use it for connecting the speakers in my audio/video system. The only downside is that the insulation is very thick since it's appropriate for direct burial and I have to shave it down a little to get it into the abysmal Power Pole connectors that are standard on too many devices these days. Wes N7WS On 8/11/2016 10:11 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > Over the years, I've bought some of the red/black zip cord at hamfests. While > I have not measured any of it with a micrometer, my strong impression has been > that it IS smaller than labeled. > > More to the point -- zip cord is TERRIBLE cable for loudspeaker wiring because > it has very poor RF rejection. It has been well known for more than 120 years > that twisted pair has quite powerful rejection of all interference, from a > few Hz to high RF. Think about it -- for the first 100+ years of telephony, > telephone wiring ran EVERYWHERE on the same poles as 60 Hz power lines with no > interference. Their ONLY measure to reject 60 Hz was to have the telephone > lines cross over each other every few poles along the run. This was enough of > a twist when the only interference was 60 Hz. Even today, there are huge > quantities of telephone, intercom, and even audio wiring carried on unshielded > twisted pair. CAT5/6 carry high data rate signals on opposing pairs without > interference. At tutorial lectures, I've demonstrated ordinary CAT5 providing > RF rejection as good as shielded twisted pair into the high VHF range. And > I've solved more than a dozen instances of RFI to home entertainment systems > simply by replacing glorified zip cord with twisted pairs of #12 POC (plain, > ordinary copper). > > For the same reason, twisted pair is superior for power wiring in our stations. > > As to resistance -- I use the shortest practical runs of #10 between my power > source (a big 100Ah LiFePO4 battery) and my two K3s. I do this because like > most 12V radios, it's cleaner (lower levels of key clicks) at higher supply > voltages. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Thu,8/11/2016 8:21 AM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: >> I just bought 20' of what was supposed to be 10GA zip wire from that auction >> site. It is clearly marked as "Audiopipe 10 Gauge speaker cable". The >> conductor is actually 12GA at best. Is this becoming common practice or is >> wire going the way of 2X4 lumber? Suggestions for a reputable source of true >> 10GA PTFE zip wire for K3 power? > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Aug 11 16:09:14 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:09:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76e159f3-c1c8-3b88-f693-ebdcb98f1103@triconet.org> That's what Al Gore said. On 8/11/2016 10:56 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > At least that's what I saw on the Internet and you're not allowed to put > anything on the Internet that isn't true ... > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV > Washoe County DM09dn From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 11 16:09:48 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:09:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements In-Reply-To: References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> Message-ID: <37e20679-db15-49ff-b1aa-faec62cc3010@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,8/11/2016 12:03 PM, Lewis Phelps wrote: > So, why go to the extra expense of #6 wire? All the calculators assume sinusoidal current (i.e., a perfect 60 Hz sine wave). That's not the real world -- only un-controlled heating elements draw sine wave current. For at least the past 30+ years, electronic loads dominate, and the what's connected to the power line is a transformer-rectifier-capacitor power supply, and now usually as the input to an SMPS. The line current drawn by such a supply takes the form of short pulses at positive and negative peaks of the 60 Hz waveform, so both IR drop and dissipation is much greater than predicted by simple sine wave analysis. None of this is taken into account by NEC. Thus, it IS good engineering practice to oversize AC conductors. There's a tutorial discussion of this in http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 16:18:17 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 20:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements (was: Zip Wire Misrepresentation?) In-Reply-To: References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> Message-ID: <560486894.12525412.1470946697810.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Also, the number of wires by size in conduit should help the cost equation also. ? 3 ea #6 conductor requires 1" conduit, while 3 ea, #12 can be put in 1/2" conduit. Mel, K6KBE From: Lewis Phelps To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements (was: Zip Wire Misrepresentation?) I?ve changed the subject line because this discussion has strayed from the original question. At retail rates (e.g. price per foot from lower.com) #6 wire is 89 cents per foot, and #12 wire is 8.2 cents per foot;? assuming Clay?s 50 foot run and 3 wires for a 110 VAC circuit with ground, per NEC, the added cost for wire would be $121.20.? Is it ?good engineering practice??? It seems to be to be OK from an electrical standpoint, albeit unnecessary, and unnecessary from a cost standpoint, albeit not harmful. I can certainly understand ?over-specifying? wire size in a 12 volt circuit, and using larger wire size than is required simply from considering ampacity,? because the voltage drop is a much larger change proportionally, but I really don?t see the benefit from the expense and added installation difficulty of using larger-than-required wire for a 120VAC supply circuit. according to the online calculator at http://www.southwire.com/support/voltage-drop-calculator.htm, which takes into account both resistance and reactance of the wire: ? for a 50 foot run of cable of #6 wire, at 20 amps and 120 volts AC single phase,? the total voltage drop will be 0.884 volt, or 0.74%, for a net voltage at the end of the circuit of 119.1 volts (rounding) ? for the same run with #12 wire, the total voltage drop will be 3.472 volts, or 2.90 percent, for a net voltage at the end of the circuit of 116.5 volts (rounding). The 3.47 volt drop would be intolerable in a 12 volt circuit providing power directly to amateur radio equipment, but seems to me irrelevant if feeding a competently-designed power supply that reduces the 120 volts AC? supply to some lower voltage of DC supply. Any ham radio power supply that is specified to operate on 120 VAC should be able to operate without difficulty from a 116.5 volts supply. So, why go to the extra expense of #6 wire? While it seems to me to be to be harmless to ?over-spec? the wire size, it also seems expensive and not necessary either per requirements of Section of 310-15 of the NEC or from a ?good operating practices? perspective. Lew N6LEW > On Aug 11, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > > The added cost of a 3x over-build seems like it would be awfully high. Is > this good engineering practice (seriously, I don't know)? > > Kevin K4VD > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Clay Autery > wrote: > >> How do you define "necessary". >> >> Paraphrasing K9YC, Jim....? "Big wire is your friend". >> >> I agree... >> >> I typically use wire at least 2 sizes larger than "required"....? Often >> the wire size is determined by how big of a wire I can FIT in the >> application and how much money I can part with at the time. >> >> For instance, on my current power project... I am running 6 AWG x 4 from >> the service to the sub-panel @ 50 foot run for a 60 Amp separately >> derived service where there'll never be more than about a 20 Amp total >> demand... >> >> From the sub-panel to the receptacles about 3-1/2 feet below, I am using >> 10 AWG....? only because that's the largest wire the receptacle >> terminals are rated for. >> >> From the receptacles to all equipment, minimum 10 AWG... >> >> Bigger and shorter the wire, the better... >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >> On 8/11/2016 10:43 AM, Ronnie Hull wrote: >>> Is 10 gauge necessary? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kevin at k4vd.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lew at n6lew.us Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 Yaesu FT-7800 Lew at N6LEW.US www.n6lew.us Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Aug 11 17:10:58 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 14:10:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements In-Reply-To: <37e20679-db15-49ff-b1aa-faec62cc3010@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> <37e20679-db15-49ff-b1aa-faec62cc3010@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: In the late 1980?s, we had some cubicle wiring fires at HP Labs caused by computer power supplies. They had to replace all the wiring with bigger conductors and connectors for the neutral. The same thing happened with Project Athena at MIT. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood wunder at wunderwood.org http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 11, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Thu,8/11/2016 12:03 PM, Lewis Phelps wrote: >> So, why go to the extra expense of #6 wire? > > All the calculators assume sinusoidal current (i.e., a perfect 60 Hz sine wave). That's not the real world -- only un-controlled heating elements draw sine wave current. For at least the past 30+ years, electronic loads dominate, and the what's connected to the power line is a transformer-rectifier-capacitor power supply, and now usually as the input to an SMPS. The line current drawn by such a supply takes the form of short pulses at positive and negative peaks of the 60 Hz waveform, so both IR drop and dissipation is much greater than predicted by simple sine wave analysis. None of this is taken into account by NEC. > > Thus, it IS good engineering practice to oversize AC conductors. > > There's a tutorial discussion of this in > > http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From cautery at montac.com Thu Aug 11 17:17:56 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:17:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> Message-ID: <16378556-0e0a-06a1-f38c-7d53d2699b69@montac.com> Well, again, you have to define terms... "good engineering practice". Depends on how you define good... I am known far and wide for my incessant "over-engineering". I don't consider it over-engineering. I am always considering additional factors in my designs beyond IMMEDIATE cost. Cost for upgrades, costs for repairs, value of my time if I have to fix/rework, etc. Bottom Line: My stuff works, and my stuff seldom fails... virtually NEVER due to my work. Dad taught me a few things/principles... 1) Do it right the first time. 2) Buy the best tools/materials you can afford... If you can't afford to buy them once, you surely can't afford to buy them again. So... when I am pulling wire for sure... I try to over-build... I hate crawling around in attics, etc... In this instance... the guy is doing a 20' power cable from his battery to his radio.... I'd use way larger wire than 10 AWG... likely some welding wire with nice oil/solvent resistant insulation... I'd twist it because a non-twisted 20 foot loop makes a fine antenna/radiator. I'd put nice big copper crimp and solder lugs on the battery end and adapt it down to the largest Powerpole that would still fit the radio. I'd add supplemental screw terminals or something to the battery terminals to facilitate adding the radio jumper... and either include and INLINE fuse mounted in the vehicle near the battery or inline on the cable near the battery. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/11/2016 1:12 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > The added cost of a 3x over-build seems like it would be awfully high. > Is this good engineering practice (seriously, I don't know)? > > Kevin K4VD > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Clay Autery > wrote: > > How do you define "necessary". > > Paraphrasing K9YC, Jim.... "Big wire is your friend". > > I agree... > > I typically use wire at least 2 sizes larger than "required".... > Often > the wire size is determined by how big of a wire I can FIT in the > application and how much money I can part with at the time. > > For instance, on my current power project... I am running 6 AWG x > 4 from > the service to the sub-panel @ 50 foot run for a 60 Amp separately > derived service where there'll never be more than about a 20 Amp total > demand... > > From the sub-panel to the receptacles about 3-1/2 feet below, I am > using > 10 AWG.... only because that's the largest wire the receptacle > terminals are rated for. > > From the receptacles to all equipment, minimum 10 AWG... > > Bigger and shorter the wire, the better... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Thu Aug 11 17:18:48 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 14:18:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements In-Reply-To: References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> <37e20679-db15-49ff-b1aa-faec62cc3010@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <958180cd-7e92-f192-743b-cbefd75da401@roadrunner.com> Was this a "shared neutral" type of problem? I thought NEC ruled that out in post-1979 wiring plans. 73, matt W6NIA On 8/11/2016 2:10 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > In the late 1980?s, we had some cubicle wiring fires at HP Labs caused by computer power supplies. They had to replace all the wiring with bigger conductors and connectors for the neutral. The same thing happened with Project Athena at MIT. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > wunder at wunderwood.org > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > >> On Aug 11, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >> On Thu,8/11/2016 12:03 PM, Lewis Phelps wrote: >>> So, why go to the extra expense of #6 wire? >> All the calculators assume sinusoidal current (i.e., a perfect 60 Hz sine wave). That's not the real world -- only un-controlled heating elements draw sine wave current. For at least the past 30+ years, electronic loads dominate, and the what's connected to the power line is a transformer-rectifier-capacitor power supply, and now usually as the input to an SMPS. The line current drawn by such a supply takes the form of short pulses at positive and negative peaks of the 60 Hz waveform, so both IR drop and dissipation is much greater than predicted by simple sine wave analysis. None of this is taken into account by NEC. >> >> Thus, it IS good engineering practice to oversize AC conductors. >> >> There's a tutorial discussion of this in >> >> http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Shiraz] From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Aug 11 17:27:37 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 14:27:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements In-Reply-To: <958180cd-7e92-f192-743b-cbefd75da401@roadrunner.com> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> <37e20679-db15-49ff-b1aa-faec62cc3010@audiosystemsgroup.com> <958180cd-7e92-f192-743b-cbefd75da401@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <01575A0E-E85A-4BCF-B7B7-A6A97B39FC56@wunderwood.org> I think it was shared neutral. The cubicle wiring design could well have been from before 1979. On the other hand, one of the graphics boxes for the HP 300 series had two power supplies with two power cords, so we were pushing the cubicle wiring pretty hard. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 11, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > > Was this a "shared neutral" type of problem? I thought NEC ruled that out in post-1979 wiring plans. > > 73, > > matt W6NIA > > > On 8/11/2016 2:10 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> In the late 1980?s, we had some cubicle wiring fires at HP Labs caused by computer power supplies. They had to replace all the wiring with bigger conductors and connectors for the neutral. The same thing happened with Project Athena at MIT. >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> Walter Underwood >> wunder at wunderwood.org >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >> >> >>> On Aug 11, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> >>> On Thu,8/11/2016 12:03 PM, Lewis Phelps wrote: >>>> So, why go to the extra expense of #6 wire? >>> All the calculators assume sinusoidal current (i.e., a perfect 60 Hz sine wave). That's not the real world -- only un-controlled heating elements draw sine wave current. For at least the past 30+ years, electronic loads dominate, and the what's connected to the power line is a transformer-rectifier-capacitor power supply, and now usually as the input to an SMPS. The line current drawn by such a supply takes the form of short pulses at positive and negative peaks of the 60 Hz waveform, so both IR drop and dissipation is much greater than predicted by simple sine wave analysis. None of this is taken into account by NEC. >>> >>> Thus, it IS good engineering practice to oversize AC conductors. >>> >>> There's a tutorial discussion of this in >>> >>> http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com > > -- > Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein > > Matt Zilmer, W6NIA > [Shiraz] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 17:30:14 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:30:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TXMonitor sometimes displays during receive Message-ID: <1c3d13ea-d7b5-6531-8910-6b629fe145f2@gmail.com> Using my P3 monitor, set to display when TX is going on, sometimes goes into displaying TX for a few seconds while I am receiving. Has anyone else seen this, and know of a fix? Thanks & 73 de W5SV, Dave From cautery at montac.com Thu Aug 11 17:55:53 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:55:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements In-Reply-To: References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7d3019d0-85e1-12d3-3f66-7c3f78cb71dd@montac.com> You make a lot of assumptions there: 1) It is not a 50 foot run carrying 120... It's a 50 foot 4 wire run carrying 240 volts to the sub-panel from the service plus the neutral and the green wire. Then a 6-gang box containing 8 x 120 and 4 x 220 receptacles wired independently. 2) IF some day I NEED 60 Amps, I will be able to get it because I BUILT for it... No climbing back into the attic. No buying all new wire. No pulling new wire. 3) I don't pay retail. 4) There are other considerations other than cost and electrical.... there's RF radiation from and to the wire, etc. Which is why the wire is BOTH hand-twisted into pairs AND run in bonded flex-steel conduit. IF I built for 20 amps now, and then later needed 20+ amps, I would have to REBUILD... my time is worth more than the cost differential. I want to TALK on the radio and build OTHER stuff... NOT do repeated upgrades of my power infrastructure. Bottom Line: My stuff works and doesn't break. I don't have to use my time to do stuff twice. And because I want to... :-) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/11/2016 2:03 PM, Lewis Phelps wrote: > At retail rates (e.g. price per foot from lower.com) #6 wire is 89 cents per foot, and #12 wire is 8.2 cents per foot; assuming Clay?s 50 foot run and 3 wires for a 110 VAC circuit with ground, per NEC, the added cost for wire would be $121.20. > > Is it ?good engineering practice?? It seems to be to be OK from an electrical standpoint, albeit unnecessary, and unnecessary from a cost standpoint, albeit not harmful. > > I can certainly understand ?over-specifying? wire size in a 12 volt circuit, and using larger wire size than is required simply from considering ampacity, because the voltage drop is a much larger change proportionally, but I really don?t see the benefit from the expense and added installation difficulty of using larger-than-required wire for a 120VAC supply circuit. > > according to the online calculator at http://www.southwire.com/support/voltage-drop-calculator.htm, which takes into account both resistance and reactance of the wire: > > ? for a 50 foot run of cable of #6 wire, at 20 amps and 120 volts AC single phase, the total voltage drop will be 0.884 volt, or 0.74%, for a net voltage at the end of the circuit of 119.1 volts (rounding) > ? for the same run with #12 wire, the total voltage drop will be 3.472 volts, or 2.90 percent, for a net voltage at the end of the circuit of 116.5 volts (rounding). > > The 3.47 volt drop would be intolerable in a 12 volt circuit providing power directly to amateur radio equipment, but seems to me irrelevant if feeding a competently-designed power supply that reduces the 120 volts AC supply to some lower voltage of DC supply. Any ham radio power supply that is specified to operate on 120 VAC should be able to operate without difficulty from a 116.5 volts supply. > > So, why go to the extra expense of #6 wire? While it seems to me to be to be harmless to ?over-spec? the wire size, it also seems expensive and not necessary either per requirements of Section of 310-15 of the NEC or from a ?good operating practices? perspective. > > Lew N6LEW From cautery at montac.com Thu Aug 11 18:11:35 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:11:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements In-Reply-To: <8F5AD677-AC96-4D4A-8031-5E31A5052406@n6lew.us> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> <8F5AD677-AC96-4D4A-8031-5E31A5052406@n6lew.us> Message-ID: <613d835d-141b-3ee6-b24b-e41f8ac6bdfb@montac.com> You are correct... it is new construction add-on to existing... FYI, when using twisted-pair, each pair essentially functions as 4 parallel wires for cross-section... So I had to upsize to 1" RWS FMC to accomodate 2 x 6AWG twisted pairs and not violate the 40% fill limit. Conduit is NOT required in my locale. It is being used for shielding only... although it is UL Listed and installed per code. ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/11/2016 2:45 PM, Lewis Phelps wrote: > Depends on the conduit size. Half inch conduit can only carry two #6 wires per NEC, but 3/4? conduit is OK for four #6 wires. > > But we weren?t talking here about pulling wire out of an existing conduit, I don?t think.. This was described as a new installation by a code-savvy op, who no doubt is using properly sized conduit.. > > Lew N6LEW From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 11 18:29:41 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:29:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TXMonitor sometimes displays during receive In-Reply-To: <1c3d13ea-d7b5-6531-8910-6b629fe145f2@gmail.com> References: <1c3d13ea-d7b5-6531-8910-6b629fe145f2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b89e7a7-1c92-bfc9-6cde-11efc197a00d@embarqmail.com> Dave, What do you see on the display when that happens? If there is no TX RF present, you should see a straight line. If you are seeing an envelope display, then the K3 is actually going into transmit. If you have a computer connection and also have the K3 menu parameter for PTT-KEY set to RTS or DTR, I would be suspicious that your computer is putting the K3 into transmit. Set PTT-KEY to OFF-OFF and see if the problem goes away. If it does, there is nothing wrong with the K3/P3 and your fix will be at the computer or whatever software application you are using. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/11/2016 5:30 PM, David F. Reed wrote: > Using my P3 monitor, set to display when TX is going on, sometimes > goes into displaying TX for a few seconds while I am receiving. > > Has anyone else seen this, and know of a fix? > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 11 19:20:20 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:20:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements In-Reply-To: <958180cd-7e92-f192-743b-cbefd75da401@roadrunner.com> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net> <37e20679-db15-49ff-b1aa-faec62cc3010@audiosystemsgroup.com> <958180cd-7e92-f192-743b-cbefd75da401@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: There are several issues with shared neutrals, one of which is that currents in single phase systems may not balance well. In the large sound systems I designed, I always specified a home run of all three conductors from each duplex that I distributed around a stage or worship area to the panel. I specified 20A outlets and #12 conductors. The intent was to allow portable gear at any of these locations to grab a lot of power. The far greater issue with "shared neutrals" is related to 3-phase power, where, thanks to the harmonics present in distorted load currents, triplen harmonics (harmonics divisible by 3) add in the neutral rather than cancel. This can result in neutral currents significantly larger than the current in one phase, even when loads are perfectly balanced. This is what overheated the wiring that started "The Towering Inferno," and it was the burning insulation that propagated the flames. That' why building codes were changed. :) Few of us (none?) have 3-phase power in our homes, but most of us are fed from one phase of 3-phase systems in the alley or on the street. Those harmonics add in the "ground" for the same reasons that they add in the neutral, and because most of us are fed by "high-leg Delta" systems, we tend to see a lot of harmonic current on our grounds. THIS is why we hear "buzz" (triplen harmonics of 60 Hz) in our systems due to improper bonding rather than "hum" (pure 60 Hz). There's an extensive discussion of this in several places on my website. The most detailed is in the "White Paper" for audio/video professionals, but it's also in the slide show for my talk on Power and Grounding for Hams. k9yc.com/publish.htm 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,8/11/2016 2:18 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: > Was this a "shared neutral" type of problem? I thought NEC ruled that > out in post-1979 wiring plans. From w7jhr at yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 19:32:46 2016 From: w7jhr at yahoo.com (w7jhr at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 23:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Amp Issue References: <581121980.825491.1470958366221.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <581121980.825491.1470958366221@mail.yahoo.com> My KXPA 100 is switching from antenna 1 to antenna 2 on its own when I go from band to band on the KX3.? Anybody know what could be causing this?? Also, I only have one antenna. Thanks,JimW7JHR? Sent from Yahoo Mail. Get the app From Robin at rmoseley.co.uk Thu Aug 11 20:01:16 2016 From: Robin at rmoseley.co.uk (Robin Moseley) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 01:01:16 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements In-Reply-To: <613d835d-141b-3ee6-b24b-e41f8ac6bdfb@montac.com> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com><924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com><4AC3F4F9-7576-4D88-B44B-42654C6FA955@comcast.net><8F5AD677-AC96-4D4A-8031-5E31A5052406@n6lew.us> <613d835d-141b-3ee6-b24b-e41f8ac6bdfb@montac.com> Message-ID: <58F286538416498890ED840598BB94FD@HPi72> So off topic - why start this here at all? there are loads of general radio groups, facebook groups etc.. this is getting silly.. Robin G1MHU From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 11 20:15:33 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 20:15:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Amp Issue In-Reply-To: <581121980.825491.1470958366221@mail.yahoo.com> References: <581121980.825491.1470958366221.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <581121980.825491.1470958366221@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <310b44ca-33a4-a386-54d8-af231cd0de37@embarqmail.com> Jim, ANT1/ANT2 is a per band setting. If you have not set the antenna port to the antenna you are using, then the antenna selected could be random. Go to each band and set the antenna to whichever antenna is connected, then test the behavior by switching from band to band. If you bought the KXAT100 and KX3 used, the prior owner may have had specific antenna selections set per band - if you bought it new, it may just be a matter of initializing things. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/11/2016 7:32 PM, Jim via Elecraft wrote: > My KXPA 100 is switching from antenna 1 to antenna 2 on its own when I go from band to band on the KX3. Anybody know what could be causing this? Also, I only have one antenna. > Thanks,JimW7JHR > > From kstover at ac0h.net Thu Aug 11 20:30:18 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 19:30:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Don't forget the Oxygen impregnation and gold connectors.;-) On 8/11/2016 12:56 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > No Rick, they have developed a new plating process [Cu on Cu] that > makes 12 ga wire perform like 10 ga wire. Now, if you wanted to use > it for speaker wire, you would need yet another plating to prevent > audio distortion and achieve the highest fidelity. That makes it more > expensive. > > At least that's what I saw on the Internet and you're not allowed to > put anything on the Internet that isn't true ... > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > Sparks NV > Washoe County DM09dn > > On 8/11/2016 8:21 AM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote: >> I just bought 20' of what was supposed to be 10GA zip wire from that >> auction site. It is clearly marked as "Audiopipe 10 Gauge speaker >> cable". The conductor is actually 12GA at best. Is this becoming >> common practice or is wire going the way of 2X4 lumber? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w7jhr at yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 20:30:23 2016 From: w7jhr at yahoo.com (w7jhr at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 00:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Amp Issue In-Reply-To: <310b44ca-33a4-a386-54d8-af231cd0de37@embarqmail.com> References: <581121980.825491.1470958366221.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <581121980.825491.1470958366221@mail.yahoo.com> <310b44ca-33a4-a386-54d8-af231cd0de37@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1790487992.893110.1470961823830@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks folks. Problem solved! JimW7JHR ? Sent from Yahoo Mail. Get the app On Thursday, August 11, 2016 5:15 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Jim, ANT1/ANT2 is a per band setting.? If you have not set the antenna port to the antenna you are using, then the antenna selected could be random. Go to each band and set the antenna to whichever antenna is connected, then test the behavior by switching from band to band. If you bought the KXAT100 and KX3 used, the prior owner may have had specific antenna selections set per band - if you bought it new, it may just be a matter of initializing things. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/11/2016 7:32 PM, Jim via Elecraft wrote: > My KXPA 100 is switching from antenna 1 to antenna 2 on its own when I go from band to band on the KX3.? Anybody know what could be causing this?? Also, I only have one antenna. > Thanks,JimW7JHR > > From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 21:21:57 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 01:21:57 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TXMonitor sometimes displays during receive In-Reply-To: <2b89e7a7-1c92-bfc9-6cde-11efc197a00d@embarqmail.com> References: <1c3d13ea-d7b5-6531-8910-6b629fe145f2@gmail.com> <2b89e7a7-1c92-bfc9-6cde-11efc197a00d@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <57AD24B5.4090207@gmail.com> Don, thanks for the help; I will answer your questions in line between them... On 8/11/2016 22:29, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Dave, > > What do you see on the display when that happens? If there is no TX > RF present, you should see a straight line. If you are seeing an > envelope display, then the K3 is actually going into transmit. I see an envelope, but not the same as when talking; it looks like a horizontal tear drop. > > If you have a computer connection and also have the K3 menu parameter > for PTT-KEY set to RTS or DTR, I would be suspicious that your > computer is putting the K3 into transmit. Set PTT-KEY to OFF-OFF and > see if the problem goes away. They were, SET to TX in DXLab Commander; I have changed them to OFF. > If it does, there is nothing wrong with the K3/P3 and your fix will be > at the computer or whatever software application you are using. Well, its not fixed, it is still doing it, and I note that the K3 is staying in receive all the while; to TX led, RX not interrupted. 73 de Dave, W5SV > > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/11/2016 5:30 PM, David F. Reed wrote: >> Using my P3 monitor, set to display when TX is going on, sometimes >> goes into displaying TX for a few seconds while I am receiving. >> >> Has anyone else seen this, and know of a fix? >> > From hlstephenson at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 21:48:35 2016 From: hlstephenson at gmail.com (Howard Stephenson) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:48:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TXMonitor sometimes displays during receive Message-ID: Dave, Try this from P3 MCU 1.60 / SVGA 1.34 / March 21, 2016 release notes: Enable/disable TX sensing at the TxMon coupler: Added TxSensEn to TxMon sub-menu. This allows enabling/disabling of transmit sensing at the coupler. For K3 and K3S users, TxSensEn can be set to ?disabled?, which will use the serial connection from the K3 to determine the TX state. Setting TxSensEn to ?enabled? will use forward power sensed at the TxMon coupler to determine TX state (useful for non-Elecraft radios). 73 Howard Stephenson K6IA From ed at w0yk.com Thu Aug 11 23:45:21 2016 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 20:45:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 -TX test not sticky In-Reply-To: <57AC92DF.9020301@comcast.net> References: <57AC92DF.9020301@comcast.net> Message-ID: <297A9397B24F4031A3CB807F02EA5047@h81420t> I think the current firmware implementation for this (non-sticky) is OK. But, I sympathize with your concern. In my use of the K3 (SN-11, SN-17 and SN-4959, with all the possible K3S upgrades), I sometimes wish TX TEST were sticky through a power cycle, but most times am glad it is not sticky. Even though I'm a long-time K3 user, I'm still sometimes baffled when transmit doesn't work due to the rig being in TX TEST mode. I've lost count of how many contests I've started with no one coming back to me when I eventually discover I was still in TX TEST mode from testing before the contest. Thus, the argument for non-sticky. OTOH, lately I've been spending a lot of time with CSS (the Contest Super Simulator) and I'm having the opposite issue. I fire up the simulator, WriteLog and the K3, only to realize (long into my simulation session) that I am transmitting rather than being in TX TEST mode. This is due to the non-sticky aspect through a power cycle. So, I can see both sides, but on balance I believe the current non-sticky implementation is best. BTW, one could argue for a user-configuration parameter in CONFIG to choose between sticky and non-sticky, but I still think that is a waste of Wayne's valuable firmware time for little benefit. Ed W0YK ____________________________________________________________________ Brian K3KO wrote: Recently I was doing something requiring that K3 not transmit power. TX test was selected. I expected that it would retain this setting after shutdown and subsequent restart. It does NOT stick with a K3 S/N 8XXX and FW 5.38. Is this the way it is supposed to work? Fortunately we didn't transmit into anything and destroy it. From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 23:49:01 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 03:49:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TXMonitor sometimes displays during receive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57AD472D.3000406@gmail.com> Howard, thanks for the idea; I now have things set as you suggest. Because it was intermittent it may take a while to know if its "fixed" or not, so I will report back after more testing. Thanks again for the idea. 73 de Dave, W5SV On 8/12/2016 01:48, Howard Stephenson wrote: > Dave, > > Try this from P3 MCU 1.60 / SVGA 1.34 / March 21, 2016 release notes: > > Enable/disable TX sensing at the TxMon coupler: Added TxSensEn to TxMon > sub-menu. This allows enabling/disabling of transmit sensing at the > coupler. For K3 and K3S users, TxSensEn can be set to ?disabled?, which > will use the serial connection from the K3 to determine the TX state. > Setting TxSensEn to ?enabled? will use forward power sensed at the TxMon > coupler to determine TX state (useful for non-Elecraft radios). > > 73 > Howard Stephenson K6IA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w5sv.dave at gmail.com From dave at nk7z.net Fri Aug 12 00:21:16 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 21:21:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Hum in K3... Message-ID: <1470975676.6817.158.camel@nk7z.net> Hi, I and another ham live about 900 feet from each other... ?Would one consider it normal to hear hum, on the other persons signal when listening to each other, using AM and at one or two watts? ?We are both using a a commercial, decent Power supply, both rated at 30 amps? -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 00:52:16 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 07:52:16 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TXMonitor sometimes displays during receive In-Reply-To: <57AD472D.3000406@gmail.com> References: <57AD472D.3000406@gmail.com> Message-ID: I would have guessed that this was it. If you have a strong RF source in the neighborhood, then incoming power reflected back from the K3 would look like forward power from the rig, and might be enough to trigger it. I have a 50 kW AM BC station that I can see from my antenna, and lots of 'funny' things that happen here are explained by this. Vic 4X6GP > On 12 Aug 2016, at 06:49, David F. Reed wrote: > > Howard, > > thanks for the idea; I now have things set as you suggest. Because it was intermittent it may take a while to know if its "fixed" or not, so I will report back after more testing. Thanks again for the idea. > > 73 de Dave, W5SV > >> On 8/12/2016 01:48, Howard Stephenson wrote: >> Dave, >> >> Try this from P3 MCU 1.60 / SVGA 1.34 / March 21, 2016 release notes: >> >> Enable/disable TX sensing at the TxMon coupler: Added TxSensEn to TxMon >> sub-menu. This allows enabling/disabling of transmit sensing at the >> coupler. For K3 and K3S users, TxSensEn can be set to ?disabled?, which >> will use the serial connection from the K3 to determine the TX state. >> Setting TxSensEn to ?enabled? will use forward power sensed at the TxMon >> coupler to determine TX state (useful for non-Elecraft radios). >> >> 73 >> Howard Stephenson K6IA >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w5sv.dave at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Aug 12 02:01:15 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 22:01:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? Message-ID: <201608120601.u7C61FTk025600@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> I have the resistance chart for various wire size but find that the voltage drop is usually more than ohms law predicts so I go up one size just for insurance. I included 4-foot No.10 Red/Black zip wire (from Powerwerx) with each of my 2M80 amplifiers which typically draw 15 amps key-down CW at 80w RF output. Ohms law predicts .00098*2*4*15 = 0.12 volt drop, but generally saw about 0.3v drop (but I had another 6-foot of No. 10 from the PS to workshop power strip). I'm wiring my new truck with No.8 awg from battery to distribution strip in back seat of the crew cab. Guessing the run will be at least 16-foot. Theory says .00063*2*16*30 = 0.6 volt drop at 30A. Battery runs at 14.2 with engine running so that should get me 13.6v. Engine off 13.8v will net 13.2 volts which will lower amplifier gain a little. Largest amp draws 25A for 160w output on 2m. I have other equipment connected but only one will be in use at any time. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Aug 12 02:17:29 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 22:17:29 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? Message-ID: <201608120617.u7C6HUf3021023@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Two more comments: My station runs on an Astron 50M which I run about 14-foot of #4 welding wire to the master fuse (30A) and my power distribution strips. I see about 13.7v at the fuse. My 150w 2m amp gets about 13.3v under load. I ran about 35-feet of No.8-4 wire from my ac service to a 60A breaker box which I have populated with 40A of breakers. The nom 240vac drops less than a volt when I key down my 8877 at 1400w output (DC load is 2500w). I have 15A fuses in the 240v transformer primary lines. The Astron runs at 120vac from the same breaker box. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From dm4im at t-online.de Fri Aug 12 03:35:37 2016 From: dm4im at t-online.de (Martin) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 09:35:37 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 -TX test not sticky In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah. But then you run into the exact problem, because the TX icon ALWAYS flashes when you have TX INHIBIT engaged. You THINK the K3 is in TEST MODE, but it isn't. You DONT KNOW if your K3 is in Test Mode or not. Blinking Icons on a display make me think of something is wrong, in case of engaged TX INHIBIT nothing is wrong. My whish for a future firmware update is to eliminate the blinking of the TX led when TX INHIBIT is engaged. It should only blink when the K3 CAN NOT TX. Back to 6m. -- Ohne CW ist es nur CB.. 73, Martin DM4iM From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Fri Aug 12 03:56:04 2016 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 08:56:04 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 -TX test not sticky In-Reply-To: <297A9397B24F4031A3CB807F02EA5047@h81420t> References: <57AC92DF.9020301@comcast.net> <297A9397B24F4031A3CB807F02EA5047@h81420t> Message-ID: <004601d1f46e$fef60150$fce203f0$@co.uk> Ed W0YK wrote: > >BTW, one could argue for a user-configuration parameter in CONFIG >to choose between sticky and non-sticky, but I still think that is a >waste of Wayne's valuable firmware time for little benefit. > If Wayne does decide to visit this area of code, then please remove the feature that flashes "TX" forever when TX INH has been selected. That is not needed, and by flashing all the time, it masks the much more useful warning that TX TEST has been selected by accident. 73 from Ian GM3SEK From marklgoldberg at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 04:01:41 2016 From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 01:01:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 100 Ah LiFePo4? was Re: [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Aug 11, 2016 10:12 AM, "Jim Brown" wrote: As to resistance -- I use the shortest practical runs of #10 between my power source (a big 100Ah LiFePO4 battery) Ok, I am curious. Where did the 100 Ah LiFePO4 battery come from? I may have to replace my Lead Acid Deep Cycles someday. I have two small and one 20 Ah LiFePO4 and they are great. I see 100 Ah ones on batteryspace.com. Boy they are expensive! 73, Mark W7MLG From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Aug 12 04:32:08 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 01:32:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 100 Ah LiFePo4? was Re: [OT] Zip Wire Misrepresentation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b188ae0-89e1-c336-43e8-6c82ff4e1235@audiosystemsgroup.com> I bought mine at Bioenne Power. https://www.bioennopower.com/ Not cheap. I also have one of their 20Ah batteries for portable use. 73, Jim On Fri,8/12/2016 1:01 AM, Mark Goldberg wrote: > > On Aug 11, 2016 10:12 AM, "Jim Brown" > wrote: > > As to resistance -- I use the shortest practical runs of #10 between > my power source (a big 100Ah LiFePO4 battery) > > Ok, I am curious. Where did the 100 Ah LiFePO4 battery come from? I > may have to replace my Lead Acid Deep Cycles someday. I have two small > and one 20 Ah LiFePO4 and they are great. I see 100 Ah ones on > batteryspace.com . Boy they are expensive! > > 73, > > Mark > W7MLG > From mail at cvkimball.com Fri Aug 12 07:51:06 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 04:51:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared In-Reply-To: <1470944102131-7621536.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> <935525EF-8B53-4E70-9943-5C32DE2DED8E@widomaker.com> <1469649194181-7620783.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469899829872-7620901.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469964027850-7620930.post@n2.nabble.com> <1470944102131-7621536.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1471002666340-7621567.post@n2.nabble.com> Dear Les, I don't think it's the same problem as my K3S didn't output any power at the 5 W level of the K3 Utility test (See above). The test was done with and without the 100 W amplifier, too. My rig arrived at Elecraft yesterday, 11 Aug, with a predicted turn around time of 2-3 weeks. I'll keep all informed as things progress. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7621567.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n1eu.barry at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 08:39:18 2016 From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 08:39:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3s and P3 Message-ID: I've got a like new K3s that I'm offering with or without a P3: http://swap.qth.com/search-results.php?keywords=Like+new+Elecraft+K3s+and+P3&fieldtosearch=titleordesc Please respond off-list. Thanks & 73, Barry N1EU From wrcooke at yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 08:46:02 2016 From: wrcooke at yahoo.com (WILLIS COOKE) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Real 2" x 4" Lumber In-Reply-To: <5b767285-fbc8-4230-81da-5281935d80bd@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <007201d1f3eb$dd9f3e00$98ddba00$@erols.com> <5b767285-fbc8-4230-81da-5281935d80bd@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1997713956.13825514.1471005962091.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Even planed lumber has changed.? WW2 era planed 2x4 was 2 3/4 x 1 3/4.? It changed sometime in the late 40s.? Renovators should be equipped with a tape and measure before buying lumber. From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 12:29 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Real 2" x 4" Lumber Indeed the finished dimension of lumber HAS changed. Renovating the wood frame home I owned in Chicago, built around the turn of the century, after the Great Chicago Fire, I found REAL 2" x 4" and 2" x 6" lumber. I also removed at least 100 ft of gas pipe used for lighting. When first wired for electricity, wiring was run through those pipes and light fixtures replaced the gas lights. Obviously, they were first disconnected from the gas line, which was still used for heat. :) Another thing that's changed is the sweet corn that we can buy in the market -- it's now much sweeter with little real corn taste. As long as I've been eating it, corn was always hybridized for taste, but it always tasted like corn. What we get now is hybridized and genetically engineered stuff that resists the chemicals used to kill weeds.? It? looks like corn, but tastes like a sugar bowl.? Small farmers used to harvest their own seeds to plant next year's crop, and to grow corn that tasted the way they and their customers wanted. But when that chemical resistant stuff was invented something like 10 years ago, Monsanto, the big seed company that invented it, sued those farmers, claiming that some of their patented stuff had cross-fertilized those corn plants, and within a few years, that phony corn is all we can buy. I used to buy a half dozen ears, steam them, and eat them for lunch. I haven't been able to do that for years. 73, Jim K9YC ? On Thu,8/11/2016 9:17 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > Bad analogy.? The 2 X 4 inch measurement of a piece of construction lumber > is before planning, or rough cut lumber.? The finished dimension is more > like 3? X 1? which hasn't changed. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrcooke at yahoo.com From w4grj at satterfield.org Fri Aug 12 08:47:15 2016 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (w4grj) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 08:47:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes - FS RF meter In-Reply-To: References: <57a6cc2e.4840620a.4ed61.f4c4@mx.google.com> <2ea34e01-3c36-9614-34a6-e0baf63e9f75@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1470776174752-7621430.post@n2.nabble.com> <0f5bb17b-a29b-bf3e-8be4-ead4b34a983d@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <000001d1f497$a793dee0$f6bb9ca0$@org> FS- I have a RF current meter MFJ 854 purchased for a project now available for sale in perfect condition $80 mailed. Please contact me offline. Jack W4GRJ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of EricJ Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 5:38 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Common mode chokes W8JI also describes one and how to calibrate it. http://w8ji.com/building_a_current_meter.htm Eric KE6US On Tue,8/9/2016 1:56 PM, MaverickNH wrote: >> Just wondering - short of +/- RF Burns and Audible Noice, can one >> readily detect/measure Common Mode Current on a coax antenna >> feedline? > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4grj at satterfield.org From bob at hogbytes.com Fri Aug 12 09:04:01 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 06:04:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 Amp Issue In-Reply-To: <1790487992.893110.1470961823830@mail.yahoo.com> References: <581121980.825491.1470958366221@mail.yahoo.com> <310b44ca-33a4-a386-54d8-af231cd0de37@embarqmail.com> <1790487992.893110.1470961823830@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1471007041863-7621572.post@n2.nabble.com> It is also possible to accidentally switch if you hold the ATU button to long. If you only have one antenna and want to prevent this, connect to the KXPA100 utility and you can disable ant 2 so it can not be selected by accident. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KXPA100-Amp-Issue-tp7621550p7621572.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ka5s at earthlink.net Fri Aug 12 10:22:31 2016 From: ka5s at earthlink.net (Cortland Richmond) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 10:22:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69405958-30ee-ec7e-4d6d-0319dfc12184@earthlink.net> On 8/11/2016 14:10, Walter Underwood wrote: > In the late 1980?s, we had some cubicle wiring fires at HP Labs caused by computer power supplies. They had to replace That's the famous power-factor- harmonics-in-the-neutral problem. Got some attention, that did; electrical fire in a high-rise will do that. Cortland Richmond From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Aug 12 14:12:16 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 11:12:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements In-Reply-To: <69405958-30ee-ec7e-4d6d-0319dfc12184@earthlink.net> References: <69405958-30ee-ec7e-4d6d-0319dfc12184@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Fri,8/12/2016 7:22 AM, Cortland Richmond wrote: > That's the famous power-factor- harmonics-in-the-neutral problem. Got > some attention, that did; electrical fire in a high-rise will do that. Yes. When I went through EE, power factor was the phase relationship between V and I. After harmonics were recognized as a BIG DEAL, the definition was expanded to include them. 73, Jim K9YC From eric at elecraft.com Fri Aug 12 14:17:18 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 11:17:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] NEC wire size requirements In-Reply-To: <69405958-30ee-ec7e-4d6d-0319dfc12184@earthlink.net> References: <69405958-30ee-ec7e-4d6d-0319dfc12184@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <294738e7-3e75-61a4-605e-832f2fb37261@elecraft.com> Folks, let's wind down and close this thread. We are at 14 posts on an OT thread in a short time, well in excess of our list soft limit. As I noted earlier, please keep these OT threads short and sweet. While we do not prohibit OT topics, please self moderate as the primary focus of this list is for Elecraft products and their use etc. Excessive OT posts as we have seen lately, will overload the majority of our readers who are focuses on our products and their use etc. 73, Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ From ron at cobi.biz Fri Aug 12 14:40:17 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 11:40:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 -TX test not sticky In-Reply-To: <297A9397B24F4031A3CB807F02EA5047@h81420t> References: <57AC92DF.9020301@comcast.net> <297A9397B24F4031A3CB807F02EA5047@h81420t> Message-ID: <004001d1f4c8$f9bf85d0$ed3e9170$@biz> It's hard to get used to "magic buttons", but that's what enough people want so Elecraft supports it. Us "old school" types are used to throwing a switch that does what it's labeled and expect nothing else to happen. If I change the mode switch from SSB to CW and then change bands, I expect the mode to still be CW, no matter what I selected for that band last time I operated there. The same goes for turning the rig off, then on again. But then most of us who stumble over that aren't focused on saving a few milliseconds in a contest or chasing a DX pileup by having the K3 "remember" our last setup for that band. TX TEST is a particular issue because it's like a MODE. And MODE is sticky. If you turn the rig off in SSB, when you turn it on again it will still be in SSB. Even if one selected ALT (on the other end of the MODE switch from TEST) to reverse sidebands, that will be remembered through a power cycle, but not TEST on the other end of the same switch. So I've learned that when I turn the rig on or I change anything, such as the band, I check *everything* to make sure I'm transmitting using the right mode on the right antenna, etc., and confirm the SWR and RF output are good while thinking "Welcome to the 21st Century" Hi! 73 Ron AC7AC From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Aug 12 14:42:19 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 11:42:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Real 2" x 4" Lumber In-Reply-To: <5b767285-fbc8-4230-81da-5281935d80bd@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <007201d1f3eb$dd9f3e00$98ddba00$@erols.com> <5b767285-fbc8-4230-81da-5281935d80bd@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: A fun retrospective, Jim -- except for the corn part! Phil W7OX On 8/11/16 10:29 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > Indeed the finished dimension of lumber HAS > changed. Renovating the wood frame home I owned > in Chicago, built around the turn of the > century, after the Great Chicago Fire, I found > REAL 2" x 4" and 2" x 6" lumber. > > I also removed at least 100 ft of gas pipe used > for lighting. When first wired for electricity, > wiring was run through those pipes and light > fixtures replaced the gas lights. Obviously, > they were first disconnected from the gas line, > which was still used for heat. :) > > Another thing that's changed is the sweet corn > that we can buy in the market -- it's now much > sweeter with little real corn taste. As long as > I've been eating it, corn was always hybridized > for taste, but it always tasted like corn. What > we get now is hybridized and genetically > engineered stuff that resists the chemicals used > to kill weeds. It looks like corn, but tastes > like a sugar bowl. Small farmers used to > harvest their own seeds to plant next year's > crop, and to grow corn that tasted the way they > and their customers wanted. But when that > chemical resistant stuff was invented something > like 10 years ago, Monsanto, the big seed > company that invented it, sued those farmers, > claiming that some of their patented stuff had > cross-fertilized those corn plants, and within a > few years, that phony corn is all we can buy. I > used to buy a half dozen ears, steam them, and > eat them for lunch. I haven't been able to do > that for years. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Thu,8/11/2016 9:17 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >> Bad analogy. The 2 X 4 inch measurement of a >> piece of construction lumber >> is before planning, or rough cut lumber. The >> finished dimension is more >> like 3? X 1? which hasn't changed. From eric at elecraft.com Fri Aug 12 15:53:45 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:53:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Real 2" x 4" Lumber In-Reply-To: References: <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <924550562.14984978.1470928873322.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <007201d1f3eb$dd9f3e00$98ddba00$@erols.com> <5b767285-fbc8-4230-81da-5281935d80bd@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <2c76173f-725f-0a6d-d8fc-985564e094ab@elecraft.com> And with that, let's close this thread. Its a bit too far OT. Must be a slow HF propagation day! ;-) 73 Eric Your moderator, really! /elecraft.com/ On 8/12/2016 11:42 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > A fun retrospective, Jim -- except for the corn part! > > Phil W7OX > > On 8/11/16 10:29 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> Indeed the finished dimension of lumber HAS changed. Renovating the wood >> frame home I owned in Chicago, built around the turn of the century, after >> the Great Chicago Fire, I found REAL 2" x 4" and 2" x 6" lumber. >> >> I also removed at least 100 ft of gas pipe used for lighting. When first >> wired for electricity, wiring was run through those pipes and light fixtures >> replaced the gas lights. Obviously, they were first disconnected from the gas >> line, which was still used for heat. :) >> >> Another thing that's changed is the sweet corn that we can buy in the market >> -- it's now much sweeter with little real corn taste. As long as I've been >> eating it, corn was always hybridized for taste, but it always tasted like >> corn. What we get now is hybridized and genetically engineered stuff that >> resists the chemicals used to kill weeds. It looks like corn, but tastes >> like a sugar bowl. Small farmers used to harvest their own seeds to plant >> next year's crop, and to grow corn that tasted the way they and their >> customers wanted. But when that chemical resistant stuff was invented >> something like 10 years ago, Monsanto, the big seed company that invented it, >> sued those farmers, claiming that some of their patented stuff had >> cross-fertilized those corn plants, and within a few years, that phony corn >> is all we can buy. I used to buy a half dozen ears, steam them, and eat them >> for lunch. I haven't been able to do that for years. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> On Thu,8/11/2016 9:17 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >>> Bad analogy. The 2 X 4 inch measurement of a piece of construction lumber >>> is before planning, or rough cut lumber. The finished dimension is more >>> like 3? X 1? which hasn't changed. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From jcolson7 at tampabay.rr.com Fri Aug 12 16:58:08 2016 From: jcolson7 at tampabay.rr.com (Jack Colson) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 16:58:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested antennas for the KX-2 for portable ops Message-ID: <2D4794AE-A36F-4EB0-B39A-E1B2BE609971@tampabay.rr.com> I am sure that there are many ideas as to good antennas for the KX-2 in portable use. I?d like to hear some! 73, Jack, W3TMZ From n1nk at cox.net Fri Aug 12 17:05:47 2016 From: n1nk at cox.net (Jim Spears) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 17:05:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [SOT] N1NK solar array system RFI mitigation Message-ID: <005601d1f4dd$4cd14d30$e673e790$@cox.net> SOT = Semi Off Topic But I suspect this will be of interest to some who either have or are contemplating installation of a solar array system. I do own 3 K3 transceivers and 2 P3 panadaptors. I had a 6KW solar energy system installed by Sungevity back in June. This system is based on LG solar panels, SolarEdge Central Inverter and SolarEdge Power Optimizers. These are the primary components of the system. Unfortunately I missed the article by Tony Brock-Fisher, K1KP, in April QST and quickly came to regret this omission as my system started producing copious amounts of RFI even before installation was complete. Tony described his mitigation upgrade to his solar array system which is based on the same SolarEdge components. I did review the article at this point and quickly determined that I needed to either fix the system or remove it if I was to continue daytime ham radio activities. Fortunately Sungevity agreed with the first option and we embarked on a joint effort to implement K1KP's approach. I met with Tony, a fellow member and president of the Yankee Clipper Contest Club, and we reviewed how he went about mitigating his RFI problem on his similar set of hardware. He does an excellent job of describing the shortcomings of the SolarEdge based design as implemented by SunGevity in the article. He and Chuck Counselman, W1HIS, did an excellent job of researching the problem and designing a solution. I did not feel it necessary to repeat the analysis part of Chuck and Tony's effort but went directly into the design effort for my system with Tony's assistance. My system has two strings of 11 solar panel/power optimizer sets for a total of 22 sets plus one Central Inverter. Once I had obtained all of the line filter and ferrite core hardware, I met with the local Sungevity field manager and installation team. I explained to them what the problem was and how we were going to mitigate it. The installation team showed up a few days later and spent 2 days implementing the upgrades to the originally installed system. There was a certain amount of learning curve to be climbed and inadvertently introduced errors to be found and corrected. The results are amazing! The initial check was with the Central Inverter off (it must have 240 VAC from the utility feed to sense utility voltage, frequency and phase to operate). This meant that only the solar panels and their associated power optimizers were active. Before implementing the RFI mitigation upgrade, the power optimizers (which are, in effect, switching mode power supplies) would produce strong signals at multiples of the switching frequencies during daylight. This resulted in numerous large and messy noise spikes across all of the HF ham bands roughly every 20 KHz. These spikes were, of course, absent at night. After implementing the RFI mitigation upgrade, the noise spikes have disappeared to the point of not being detectable in the ambient noise level here. As I noted previously, these results are amazing! In order to configure and test the Central Inverter with the line filter module and ferrite cores that we introduced, the installation team temporarily installed a dummy production meter which connects the Central Inverter to the utility line through the line filter complex. Limited system operation with the Central Inverter active before the RFI mitigation upgrade did show strong noise spikes at roughly the same frequency as reported by Tony. These were spaced roughly every 200 KHz but were difficult for me to discriminate against the Power Optimizer noise spikes. Little time was available to investigate the effects of the line filter complex on Central Inverter noise spike production after the RFI mitigation upgrade was complete but the previously obvious Central Inverter contribution to the noise environment was substantially reduced. At this point in time, the final step in bringing the system to full operational status is installation of the production meter by my utility, National Grid. This should take place in a few days. At this point in time, the solar panels and power optimizers are active during daylight hours and I am not seeing any of the Power Optimizer produced noise spikes that were present before the RFI mitigation upgrade. I am declaring the RFI mitigation upgrade a conditional success. As far as how I implemented the upgrade, Tony's fine article provides the bulk of the detail and rationale. Here is a brief summary: 1. For each Solar Panel we wound its output wires through a 2.4" OD ferrite core and added a new choke wound on a 2.0" ferrite core before connecting to its Power Optimizer. Pairs of wires were twisted. 2. For each Power Optimizer we wound its output wires through a 2.4" OD ferrite core. 3. The DC loop connecting all Power Optimizers in each string was reconfigured in accordance with Figure 2 in Tony's article. Pairs of wires were twisted and a 2.4" ferrite core was inserted between Power Optimizers. Rather than being connected in a long daisy chain forming a loop, the connections between Power Optimizers were staggered. Figure 2 in the article shows this arrangement. 4. A filter provided by SolarEdge was installed at the point where wiring from each string entered the transition from rooftop to side of the house. We assume that these filters are differential mode filters and cannot characterize their contribution to overall RFI reduction. 5. My original installation had the wires leading from the rooftop to the Central Inverter running through EMT conduit so no change was required. 6. At ground level, the Central Inverter was relocated to provide wall space for mounting the electrical boxes holding the Corcom line filter and the array of 30 2.0" ferrite cores. A total of 52 2.0" OD and 70 2.4" OD ferrite cores were installed. Should anyone walk by my house with a magnetic compass, it will make a shift in the direction it is pointing. I used one of my Elecraft K3 radios with its associated P3 panadaptor to capture 50 KHz wide sections of the HF bands under various operational states of the solar energy system including day, night, solar panels installed, solar panels removed, etc. The P3 was calibrated with my Elecraft XG-50 signal generator and no settings were changed during this period to ensure reliable comparisons between before and after. This setup is not a precision test rig but certainly gives me a decent feel for what is going on. I will be happy to share any and all screen captures, photographs and details of the implementation of the RFI mitigation upgrade to my solar array system. And I want to express my appreciation for the support provided by Sungevity. Jim Spears N1NK K3/2295, K3/6425, K3/6684 From n1ix at n1ix.com Fri Aug 12 17:23:07 2016 From: n1ix at n1ix.com (n1ix at n1ix.com) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 17:23:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KXPA100 Message-ID: <000701d1f4df$b8959470$29c0bd50$@n1ix.com> KXPA100 with antenna tuner. Excellent condition, non-smoker. Comes with cable for connection to a KX3. $875 shipped. Paypal accepted. Dave N1IX From n0nbd at outlook.com Fri Aug 12 17:35:03 2016 From: n0nbd at outlook.com (Paul Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 21:35:03 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 Arrived Message-ID: The UPS truck delivered my new KX2. I have been reading and playing. This is a BLAST! Thanks de Paul N0NBD From kevin at k4vd.net Fri Aug 12 18:08:25 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:08:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested antennas for the KX-2 for portable ops In-Reply-To: <2D4794AE-A36F-4EB0-B39A-E1B2BE609971@tampabay.rr.com> References: <2D4794AE-A36F-4EB0-B39A-E1B2BE609971@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: KX3 portable I use the EF-40/20 from LNR. It would probably work on the KX2 also. ;) It was real easy to tune for 40 and 20 and has done a great job for me at Field Day, an NPOTA and out on my back deck. Very forgiving about the setup. Kevin K4VD On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Jack Colson wrote: > I am sure that there are many ideas as to good antennas for the KX-2 in > portable use. I?d like to hear some! > 73, Jack, W3TMZ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin at k4vd.net From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 18:21:53 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 22:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested antennas for the KX-2 for portable ops In-Reply-To: <2D4794AE-A36F-4EB0-B39A-E1B2BE609971@tampabay.rr.com> References: <2D4794AE-A36F-4EB0-B39A-E1B2BE609971@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <822140562.13428432.1471040513717.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Just on the scene, Look up: Aerial 51. Mel, K6KBE From: Jack Colson To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 1:58 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested antennas for the KX-2 for portable ops I am sure that there are many ideas as to good antennas for the KX-2 in portable use.? I?d like to hear some! 73, Jack, W3TMZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 12 18:38:52 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 18:38:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested antennas for the KX-2 for portable ops In-Reply-To: <2D4794AE-A36F-4EB0-B39A-E1B2BE609971@tampabay.rr.com> References: <2D4794AE-A36F-4EB0-B39A-E1B2BE609971@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: Jack, A part of the answer to what constitutes a "good portable antenna" is going to depend on the supports available. BTW, this information pertains to any portable antenna choice, not just the KX2. It is all about what you are willing to 'tote' to your operating position and what 'sky-hooks' are available. If there are 'natural' supports available, and your KX2 has the internal tuner, the possibilities are large. Bruce Prior (one of the KX2 field testers who does SOTA) has found that a 58 foot radiator thrown into a tree and a 13 foot counterpoise laid along the ground is quite effective - used with a BNC to binding post adapter. End Fed Half Wave antennas can be effective, but some matching sections need to have some length of coax attached to act like a short counterpoise. If you are not backpacking, you can use a telescoping fiberglass pole for a support for those antennas. You will likely find a lot of specialized antenna systems that utilize loaded antenna elements - like the Buddipole system that can be erected in a variety of ways. In general, those are not as efficient as a full length wire. And lastly (for me) are the magnetic loop antennas (like the Alexloop) that can be easily set up, but must be tuned to the frequency of operation and once tuned, the bandwidth is quite small. Consider your desired operation and then make whatever compromises are suitable for that situation. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/12/2016 4:58 PM, Jack Colson wrote: > I am sure that there are many ideas as to good antennas for the KX-2 in portable use. I?d like to hear some! > From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Aug 12 18:58:22 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 22:58:22 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPod Programming Message-ID: <3D5F1B1B-A0A8-48BC-8517-CD42197E3F7D@law.du.edu> Just learned that my KPod is being shipped today, for arrival late next week. Has anyone officially or unofficially been gathering up suggested programming functions and associated macros that the K3 community thinks of greatest interest or use? Ted, KN1CBR From n1ix at n1ix.com Fri Aug 12 19:46:42 2016 From: n1ix at n1ix.com (n1ix at n1ix.com) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:46:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KXPA100 **SOLD** Message-ID: <002601d1f4f3$c747b250$55d716f0$@n1ix.com> KXPA100 has been sold. Thanks Dave N1IX -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of n1ix at n1ix.com Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 5:23 PM To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KXPA100 KXPA100 with antenna tuner. Excellent condition, non-smoker. Comes with cable for connection to a KX3. $875 shipped. Paypal accepted. Dave N1IX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n1ix at n1ix.com From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 21:46:11 2016 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:46:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K160RX Message-ID: Anyone have a K160RX they want to get rid of? KG9H From w6jhb at me.com Fri Aug 12 22:02:04 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:02:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Meter Display Question Message-ID: OK - I?m officially stumped. How does one keep the meter display showing ALC continuously instead of RF output? When I operate the digital modes, in DATA-A, I want to have the ALC displayed so that I can keep an eye on making sure that 5th bar is just flickering. There is a difference in setting the Mic gain between JT65 and JT9, so this is something I like to monitor. However, after setting the MIC gain to the proper ALC level the display insists on jumping back to RF output. Is there a way to stop this from happening? Tnx & 73, Jim / W6JHB From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 12 22:11:40 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 22:11:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K160RX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frank, Don't forget that in addition to the K160RX board, you will need the capacitors for the 80/160m bandpass filter, the standoff, the header (it is taller than normal) and the BNC jack. There is more to the K160RX kit than just the board. The Elecraft kit has all the components required. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/12/2016 9:46 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote: > Anyone have a K160RX they want to get rid of? KG9H > From laussana at icloud.com Fri Aug 12 22:23:50 2016 From: laussana at icloud.com (Jorge Mejia P) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 21:23:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Kpa 500 problem when auxiliary cable connected ... References: <9F810994-2EDF-4B86-85D8-3433DBA0BAF6@icloud.com> Message-ID: <4E5FF106-BE8F-4A82-B784-4F9112565CFE@icloud.com> Para: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Asunto: Kpa 500 problem when auxiliary cable connected ... I had been successfully using my KPA500 with an Icom and a K3 , alternatively with the use of the Key Line interrupter and a separate key line. Suddenly I cannot change bands on theKPA500 or go on Tx, even though the auxiliary cable is well seated and the Key line interrupter is well screwed to the K3 . The kpa500 works fine with the K3 alone, or when I disconnect the auxiliary cable from the K3 ,then I can change bands and use it with the Icom as long as I turn it off and the on again . This happens even when the K3 is off . I have also tried disconnecting the k3s serial cable to the computer and even from the PS , but no luck. Wonder if any one has experienced such a problem. Any ideas? Thank you Jorge HK4CZE From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 12 22:30:21 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 02:30:21 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K160RX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009e01d1f50a$a4cc8540$ee658fc0$@sbcglobal.net> Frank, I have an unassembled K160RX complete still in the K160RX Elecraft bag. I'll have to look for it. Contact me off list and we can negotiate price and delivery. Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of kg9hfrank at gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:46 AM To: elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] K160RX Anyone have a K160RX they want to get rid of? KG9H ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From jackbrindle at me.com Fri Aug 12 23:14:46 2016 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:14:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Kpa 500 problem when auxiliary cable connected ... In-Reply-To: <4E5FF106-BE8F-4A82-B784-4F9112565CFE@icloud.com> References: <9F810994-2EDF-4B86-85D8-3433DBA0BAF6@icloud.com> <4E5FF106-BE8F-4A82-B784-4F9112565CFE@icloud.com> Message-ID: <2E7A9784-AC81-4A1F-9122-4ADEF9E447FA@me.com> Make sure the RADIO setting in the K3 didn?t get changed away from K3. More specifically, it sounds like it was changed to ANALOG without having the proper pin connected to the Icom?s analog band data signal. If that isn?t the problem, then I?ll have more questions to see how we might fix the issue. 73! - Jack Brindle, W6FB Elecraft Engineering > On Aug 12, 2016, at 7:23 PM, Jorge Mejia P wrote: > > > > Para: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Asunto: Kpa 500 problem when auxiliary cable connected ... > > I had been successfully using my KPA500 with an Icom and a K3 , alternatively with the use of the Key Line interrupter and a separate key line. > Suddenly I cannot change bands on theKPA500 or go on Tx, even though the auxiliary cable is well seated and the Key line interrupter is well screwed to the K3 . The kpa500 works fine with the K3 alone, or when I disconnect the auxiliary cable from the K3 ,then I can change bands and use it with the Icom as long as I turn it off and the on again . > > This happens even when the K3 is off . I have also tried disconnecting the k3s serial cable to the computer and even from the PS , but no luck. > > Wonder if any one has experienced such a problem. > > Any ideas? > > Thank you > Jorge HK4CZE > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 12 23:41:19 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 23:41:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Meter Display Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, No, the display will normally go back to displaying the RF level. After setting the audio level to the KX3 (K3 or K3S), that level is not going to change unless you make some changes to the computer audio level. If you do that, just change the MIC GAIN knob a little bit and the display will revert to the ALC/COMP display. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/12/2016 10:02 PM, James Bennett wrote: > OK - I?m officially stumped. How does one keep the meter display showing ALC continuously instead of RF output? When I operate the digital modes, in DATA-A, I want to have the ALC displayed so that I can keep an eye on making sure that 5th bar is just flickering. There is a difference in setting the Mic gain between JT65 and JT9, so this is something I like to monitor. However, after setting the MIC gain to the proper ALC level the display insists on jumping back to RF output. Is there a way to stop this from happening? > From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Aug 13 00:16:54 2016 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 21:16:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Kpa 500 problem when auxiliary cable connected ... In-Reply-To: <2E7A9784-AC81-4A1F-9122-4ADEF9E447FA@me.com> References: <9F810994-2EDF-4B86-85D8-3433DBA0BAF6@icloud.com> <4E5FF106-BE8F-4A82-B784-4F9112565CFE@icloud.com> <2E7A9784-AC81-4A1F-9122-4ADEF9E447FA@me.com> Message-ID: <7FEC262B-4CFF-42A2-B826-537080CAD485@me.com> Oops. That should be the RADIO setting in the KPA500? - Jack, W6FB > On Aug 12, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > > Make sure the RADIO setting in the K3 didn?t get changed away from K3. More specifically, it sounds like it was changed to ANALOG without having the proper pin connected to the Icom?s analog band data signal. > > If that isn?t the problem, then I?ll have more questions to see how we might fix the issue. > > 73! > > - Jack Brindle, W6FB > Elecraft Engineering > > >> On Aug 12, 2016, at 7:23 PM, Jorge Mejia P wrote: >> >> >> >> Para: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Asunto: Kpa 500 problem when auxiliary cable connected ... >> >> I had been successfully using my KPA500 with an Icom and a K3 , alternatively with the use of the Key Line interrupter and a separate key line. >> Suddenly I cannot change bands on theKPA500 or go on Tx, even though the auxiliary cable is well seated and the Key line interrupter is well screwed to the K3 . The kpa500 works fine with the K3 alone, or when I disconnect the auxiliary cable from the K3 ,then I can change bands and use it with the Icom as long as I turn it off and the on again . >> >> This happens even when the K3 is off . I have also tried disconnecting the k3s serial cable to the computer and even from the PS , but no luck. >> >> Wonder if any one has experienced such a problem. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Thank you >> Jorge HK4CZE >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 07:34:37 2016 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 08:34:37 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] audio recording Message-ID: hello i am trying to record audio from K3 I have a stereo cable connected from K3 LINE OUT to a hand recording LINE IN is recording the other station audio but is not recording my audio I setup LINE OUT to a proper level to record the other station audio maybe is something in the menu to adjust to record my audio? thanks! -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W From david at getzy.org Sat Aug 13 08:53:59 2016 From: david at getzy.org (Dr. David M Getzy) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 06:53:59 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Mobile Elecraft Message-ID: Thanks to all that sent me tremendous information regarding mobile operation using Elecraft radios, on and offline. 73s Dave, WS0D Dr. Dave Getzy Fort Collins, CO Sent from my iPhone From k9jri at mac.com Sat Aug 13 08:56:20 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 08:56:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Meter Display Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <378A1BFD-EE59-4BCF-8BE7-DCEAF6EFD9FE@mac.com> On my KX3 tapping the keyer/mic knob toggles the display between power and alc and it stays there. If in the power/SWR display mode changing the mic gain temporarily shows alc but then reverts back to power. Tap the button and it will stay put. Michael Blake - k9jri > On Aug 12, 2016, at 22:02, James Bennett wrote: > > OK - I?m officially stumped. How does one keep the meter display showing ALC continuously instead of RF output? When I operate the digital modes, in DATA-A, I want to have the ALC displayed so that I can keep an eye on making sure that 5th bar is just flickering. There is a difference in setting the Mic gain between JT65 and JT9, so this is something I like to monitor. However, after setting the MIC gain to the proper ALC level the display insists on jumping back to RF output. Is there a way to stop this from happening? > > Tnx & 73, Jim / W6JHB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From wa4zen at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 13:49:16 2016 From: wa4zen at gmail.com (Reuben Burch) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 12:49:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Enclosure Message-ID: Does anyone have a complete K1 enclosure (panels, knobs, etc.) that they would sell? Maybe from a dead or dying K1? I have a complete K1 minus enclosure (long story) for which I need the requested parts. 73, Reuben WA4ZEN From ve7xf at shaw.ca Sat Aug 13 14:33:22 2016 From: ve7xf at shaw.ca (Ralph Parker) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 11:33:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] audio recording Message-ID: <57AF67F2.5070200@shaw.ca> >I have a stereo cable connected from K3 LINE OUT to a hand recording LINE IN is recording the other >station audio but is not recording my audio Jorge: Maybe try turning 'MONITOR' on. VE7XF From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Aug 13 17:50:35 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 17:50:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Meter Display Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E16A245-B3AF-49DB-8DA8-627EBC4A279B@widomaker.com> Set it and forget it. No need to watch constantly Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 12, 2016, at 10:02 PM, James Bennett wrote: > > OK - I?m officially stumped. How does one keep the meter display showing ALC continuously instead of RF output? When I operate the digital modes, in DATA-A, I want to have the ALC displayed so that I can keep an eye on making sure that 5th bar is just flickering. There is a difference in setting the Mic gain between JT65 and JT9, so this is something I like to monitor. However, after setting the MIC gain to the proper ALC level the display insists on jumping back to RF output. Is there a way to stop this from happening? > > Tnx & 73, Jim / W6JHB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Aug 13 17:52:43 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 17:52:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] audio recording In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5512EF64-5736-473F-AD96-EA116ECF17EC@widomaker.com> Did you turn ON the Mon and set level high enough? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 13, 2016, at 7:34 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > > hello > > i am trying to record audio from K3 > > I have a stereo cable connected from K3 LINE OUT to a hand recording LINE IN > > is recording the other station audio but is not recording my audio > > I setup LINE OUT to a proper level to record the other station audio > > maybe is something in the menu to adjust to record my audio? > > thanks! > > -- > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 18:01:39 2016 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 19:01:39 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] audio recording In-Reply-To: <5512EF64-5736-473F-AD96-EA116ECF17EC@widomaker.com> References: <5512EF64-5736-473F-AD96-EA116ECF17EC@widomaker.com> Message-ID: increasing monitor is good for recording my audio. But need to be very high, not good to operate and worst for SO2R thanks, Jorge 2016-08-13 18:52 GMT-03:00 Nr4c : > Did you turn ON the Mon and set level high enough? > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Aug 13, 2016, at 7:34 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM > wrote: > > > > hello > > > > i am trying to record audio from K3 > > > > I have a stereo cable connected from K3 LINE OUT to a hand recording > LINE IN > > > > is recording the other station audio but is not recording my audio > > > > I setup LINE OUT to a proper level to record the other station audio > > > > maybe is something in the menu to adjust to record my audio? > > > > thanks! > > > > -- > > 73, > > Jorge > > CX6VM/CW5W > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Aug 13 19:05:40 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 19:05:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] audio recording In-Reply-To: References: <5512EF64-5736-473F-AD96-EA116ECF17EC@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <015B1129-8F22-4E09-A51A-A7D7E4E1A05D@widomaker.com> Put volume control in phone line. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 13, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > > increasing monitor is good for recording my audio. > > But need to be very high, not good to operate and worst for SO2R > > thanks, > Jorge > > 2016-08-13 18:52 GMT-03:00 Nr4c : >> Did you turn ON the Mon and set level high enough? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ...nr4c. bill >> >> >> > On Aug 13, 2016, at 7:34 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: >> > >> > hello >> > >> > i am trying to record audio from K3 >> > >> > I have a stereo cable connected from K3 LINE OUT to a hand recording LINE IN >> > >> > is recording the other station audio but is not recording my audio >> > >> > I setup LINE OUT to a proper level to record the other station audio >> > >> > maybe is something in the menu to adjust to record my audio? >> > >> > thanks! >> > >> > -- >> > 73, >> > Jorge >> > CX6VM/CW5W >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > > > -- > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W From f1gwr at free.fr Sun Aug 14 05:13:58 2016 From: f1gwr at free.fr (f1gwr) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 11:13:58 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Leaded or non-leaded solder (in French AND English) In-Reply-To: <98552a44-3bb0-3184-64b0-a8b756054459@embarqmail.com> References: <001001d1f3df$4af74270$e0e5c750$@orange.fr> <98552a44-3bb0-3184-64b0-a8b756054459@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <59A690B5-D378-4AEF-A325-7A2B049414E0@free.fr> Sorry for answering initially in French. But I just lost my beloved cat and I have major difficulties to concentrate for more than a minute or two. However, I'll provide a somewhat corrected automated translation in English below, so that to also share my experience with other participants. --------------------------- Bonjour Raymond, Juste un petit message en direct pour vous dire que je suis parfaitement d'accord avec Don. Ca fait presque cinquante ans que je soude, et je me suis encore perfectionn? r?cemment en montant les kits avec CMS de W6PQL. Effectivement la soudure doit fondre et se r?pandre en 2, max 3 secondes. Si le fer est trop chaud il peut faire des d?g?ts inutilement. S'il ne l'est pas assez, il faudra augmenter le temps de chauffage, cr?ant par la m?me une augmentation du risque de d?g?ts. Partez sur le fait qu'une jonction semi-conductrice supporte 250?C (pendant quelques 5 secondes). Par cons?quent et sur un plan pratique, il faut absolument une ?ponge imbib?e d'eau (ne pas l'essorer), essuyer la panne pour qu'elle soit parfaitement propre. Ceci est indispensable pour assurer un bon contact thermique, appliquer la panne avec une l?g?re pression ? la fois sur la piste et sur la queue de composant pour les amener en temp?rature. Pr?-?tamer les conducteurs ; ?a doit ?tre rapide (sauf pour les fils multi-brins souples pour lesquels il faut que le PVC fusionne un peu avel le cuivre ?tam?, ?a am?liore la tenue m?canique ? la jonction). Apr?s contact, attendre 1 ? deux secondes max. La soudure doit fondre sur les deux parties m?talliques en m?me temps. Si le contact thermique n'est pas bon ou si le fer est trop froid, on peut s'aider en mettant un quantit? la plus infime possible SOUS la panne ? l'oppos? du contact thermique avec lesdits conducteurs. Garder encore la panne 1/2 ou 1 seconde pour bien amalgamer les conducteurs et la soudure. Pas plus, sinon le flux se d?grade et la soudure perd sa tension superficielle, fait les boules ou tire des pointes. Secouer un fer qui a de la soudure r?siduelle sur la panne. La qualit? du fer est primordiale. J'ai fini par devenir un fan absolu des Weller thermostat?s r?glables, apr?s avoir essay? SEM, Ersa, Antex, Conrad chinois, Metcal, Pace. La taille de la panne est importante aussi : pointe pour travaux microscopiques sous loupe binoculaire 6 ? 30x (?a change ?norm?ment la qualit? du travail), ou panne large 3mm pour travaux courants voire "massifs". La chaleur passe beaucoup moins bien dans une pointe et il faut compenser alors en augmentant la temp?rature. A titre indicatif seulement, avec une panne "large", 220-230?C pour les CMS. 240-270?C pour les travaux courants sur composants classiques, d?s qu'il y a un plan de masse surtout avec des trous m?tallis?s, il faut monter ? 320-350?C. Pour les t?les de blindage, 400?C. Pour la soudure je ne prends QUE de l'?tain-plomb 60-40 +/- additif Ag et/ou Cu. Ma soudure classique est de la Fluidel 5 en 1 mm de chez MBO. Pour les CMS, prendre diam?tre 0,5 mm. Ne pas n?gliger les soudures ? basse temp?rature de fusion pour les composants microscopiques ou sensibles, ni ? haute temp?rature pour les composants "chauds" (transistors de puissance qui fonctionnent ? > 60 ?C) ce qui limite la d?gradation des soudures dans le temps (probl?me des amplis audio pure classe A par exemple). Bonnes bricoles et vive le K3s dont je suis l'heureux propri?taire aussi depuis peu. 73 Christian F1GWR en JN38SN --------------------------- Hello Raymond, Just a short note directly to say that I totally agree with Don. It's been almost fifty years since I'm soldering, and I'm still me recently perfected by mounting W6PQL's kits with SMDs. Actually solder must melt and spread in 2, max 3 seconds. If the iron is too hot it can do damage unnecessarily. If it is not enough, it will increase the time of heating, creating the same increased risk of damage. Leaving on the fact that a semiconductor junction supports 250 ? C (for about 5 seconds). Therefore and on a practical level, it is absolutely a sponge soaked in water (do not wring), wipe down the bit for it to be perfectly clean. This is essential to ensure good thermal contact, apply bit with a slight pressure both on the track and on the component's wire to bring in temperature. Pre-tin conductors; it must be quick (except for flexible multi-strand wire which require that plastic merges somewhat with tinned copper, it improves the mechanical strength at the junction). After solder fusion, wait one to two seconds max. The solder should melt on the two metal parts together. If the thermal contact is not good or if the iron is too cold, you can help by putting the smallest possible quantity UNDER opposite the thermal contact with said conductors. still keep the contact 1/2 or 1 second to amalgamate conductors and solder. Not more, otherwise the flux deteriorates and the weld loses its surface tension making "balls" or drawing spikes. Shake iron to eliminate the residual solder on the bit. A quality of iron is essential. I ended up becoming an absolute fan of Weller thermostatically adjustable after trying SEM, Ersa, Antex, Chinese Conrad, Metcal, Pace. The size of the bit is also important: microscopic tip to work under a binocular microscope at 6 to 30x magnification (it changes dramatically the quality of work) or 3mm wide for routine or "massive" work. Heat transfers much less in a point and then you must must compensate by increasing the temperature. As a rule of thumb, , 220-230 ? C for SMD. 240-270 ? C for current work on conventional components, whenever there is a ground plane especially with through-holes, increase to 320-350 ? C. For the shielding plates, 400 ? C. For welding I use only 60-40 tin-lead +/- additive Ag and/or Cu. My classical welding is the Fluidel 5 in 1 mm from MBO. For CMS, take diameter 0.5 mm. Potassium solder has been said to be less reliable. Do not overlook the low melting temperature solders for microscopic or sensitive components or high temperature for "hot" components (power transistors operating at> 60 ? C) which limits the degradation of welds in time ( problem of pure class A audio amplifiers for example). Good DIY and long life to the K3s, I too became the lucky owner recently. 73 Christian F1GWR in JN38SN Le 11 ao?t 2016 ? 17:05, Don Wilhelm a ?crit : > Raymond, > > I typically set my soldering station at 750 degF and have not had a problem regardless of the board. > If you are soldering temperature sensitive ICs, you may want to lower the temperature a bit, but for normal soldering of passive components, the higher temperature makes the task quicker. > The board will not be harmed by the higher temperature, and that is true for ROHS or non ROHS boards. > Where you have to be careful with temperature on the boards is with boards that do not have thru-plated holes where excessive temperature can lift PC traces and solder pads. > > There is a balance between temperature and soldering time. If you can get the iron on the connection and see the solder flow in 2 to 3 seconds, little harm will be done, but if you must maintain heat on a connection for more than 5 seconds that is when potential damage to the board or the component is possible. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/11/2016 10:47 AM, Raymond METZGER wrote: >> Hi Don, >> >> Thank you for your mail. I'm happy with your recommended solution. But I >> have an additional question : what temperature do you recommend for >> soldering a part with leaded solder on a ROHS board ? >> I my personal notes, inspired by what I read on the Elecraft Web site when I >> built my K2-100 in 2006-2007, I see 600 ? to 650 ? F for soldering and 700 ? >> F for desoldering. But these temperatures were for leaded solder on non ROHS >> parts. >> >> And thank you for your phenomenal reactivity and commitment vis-?-vis the >> Elecraft community ! >> Raymond, F4FNT >> >>>> The Elecraft boards comply with ROHS. You can use leaded solder. The >> solder used on the Elecraft boards is non-leaded, but leaded solder will mix >> with it just fine. I have used it many times. >>>> The problem with hand soldering with non-lead solder is that it does not >> flow well, so I stay away from it for my work. >>>> 73, Don W3FPR >> >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to f1gwr at free.fr From joel.b.black at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 09:13:58 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 08:13:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] FN Key Macro Assignment Message-ID: I have lost my mind? I know I have created macros in the PX3 Utility before and assigned them to function keys. These are not ?text? macros but command macros. I cannot seem to recall the sequence used to assign those command macros to FN keys. Any direction would be appreciated. Thanks, Joel - W4JBB From w2lj at verizon.net Sun Aug 14 09:41:40 2016 From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry W2LJ) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 09:41:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 2016 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt - NEXT Sunday! Message-ID: The 2016 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt is only one week away! Although it seems like a lot of Skeeters are being hunted this year; assuredly the NJQRP Skeeters will be out hunting only for fun! I'm not going to bore you will the rules, you can go read those for yourself at http://www.qsl.net/w2lj/ I did want to make everyone aware of two things, however. First, you still have until next Saturday to apply for a Skeeter number, Remember, you don't have to operate from the field to be a Skeeter; but it's SOOO much fun - why would you ever not want to? Just send an e-mail to w2lj at arrl.net and you will be added to the roster. You will get a confirming e-mail back containing your Skeeter #. If you applied in the past, but did not receive an e-mail back from W2LJ, you need to check the Skeeter Roster. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KJWpvDDBZibCMqna_qGXF3Ayg8KdEw5f1N8K6ByGMe4/edit#gid=880964485 If you don't see your call sign and name, then you will need to send another e-mail Secondly, after the Hunt, and you've recovered from all the fun you had - don't forget to send in your log summaries. QSO by QSO logs are not necessary; but photos, videos and soapbox comments are encouraged and are most welcome. That's the other half of the fun of the NJQRP Skeeter Hunt - seeing how and what your friends and QRP contemeporaries are doing. I've tried to make the rules as simnple and self=explanatory as possible; bt should you still have a question, please do not hesitate to fire off an e-mail to w2lj at arrl.net Happy Hunting! 72 de Larry W2L NJQRP Skeeter Hunt Manager From kevinr at coho.net Sun Aug 14 13:11:35 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 10:11:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: Good Morning, Propagation is slightly better than last week. The SFU is above 90 with scattered sunspots. I was able to manage a few short 15-20 minute contacts this week. Just enough time to exchange weather reports and a few activities but not long enough for a real contact. The sun is moving rapidly southward hinting of fall. Three other signs are also showing the change of season. First the hummingbirds have departed for the coast. One week I was feeding them the next they left their feeder half full. Secondly the foxgloves have reached their last few blossoms of the year. This is my notice to start collecting wood in earnest. Thirdly the elk have started to scrape the trees to free their new antlers of velvet. I heard a bull the other day "whistling" for about ten minutes as he made his way through the new growth alder. Not yet a bugle but soon they'll be raising a racket. Please join us on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From w4rm at aol.com Sun Aug 14 14:19:14 2016 From: w4rm at aol.com (Bill OMara) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 14:19:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Mic Element with K3? Message-ID: <02c501d1f658$5d9f2200$18dd6600$@aol.com> Question: Will a Heil headphone (example Pro set) with Icom Element work on a K3 without any modifications (Just K3 Microphone settings) when plugged into the rear of the radio? Thanks for the help. 73 Bill W4RM From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 14 14:44:32 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 14:44:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Mic Element with K3? In-Reply-To: <02c501d1f658$5d9f2200$18dd6600$@aol.com> References: <02c501d1f658$5d9f2200$18dd6600$@aol.com> Message-ID: Bill, It should work fine. Turn bias on and give it a try. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/14/2016 2:19 PM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote > Will a Heil headphone (example Pro set) with Icom Element work on a K3 > without any modifications (Just K3 Microphone settings) when plugged into > the rear of the radio? > From w4rm at aol.com Sun Aug 14 14:53:29 2016 From: w4rm at aol.com (Bill OMara) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 14:53:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Mic Element with K3? In-Reply-To: <02c501d1f658$5d9f2200$18dd6600$@aol.com> References: <02c501d1f658$5d9f2200$18dd6600$@aol.com> Message-ID: <02ee01d1f65d$25d4ceb0$717e6c10$@aol.com> Thanks to the replies: It should work fine. Turn bias on and give it a try. Yes. The IC [actually all electret elements] require that bias be on, dynamics need bias off, but my Proset IC works just fine. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill OMara via Elecraft Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 2:19 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Mic Element with K3? Question: Will a Heil headphone (example Pro set) with Icom Element work on a K3 without any modifications (Just K3 Microphone settings) when plugged into the rear of the radio? Thanks for the help. 73 Bill W4RM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4rm at aol.com From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 17:02:49 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 21:02:49 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 TXMonitor sometimes displays during receive In-Reply-To: <57AD472D.3000406@gmail.com> References: <57AD472D.3000406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57B0DC79.5030506@gmail.com> Happy to report after extensive testing, that your suggestion was the effective fix I had hoped for. Thank you sir! 73 de Dave, W5SV On 8/12/2016 03:49, David F. Reed wrote: > Howard, > > thanks for the idea; I now have things set as you suggest. Because it > was intermittent it may take a while to know if its "fixed" or not, so > I will report back after more testing. Thanks again for the idea. > > 73 de Dave, W5SV > > On 8/12/2016 01:48, Howard Stephenson wrote: >> Dave, >> >> Try this from P3 MCU 1.60 / SVGA 1.34 / March 21, 2016 release notes: >> >> Enable/disable TX sensing at the TxMon coupler: Added TxSensEn to TxMon >> sub-menu. This allows enabling/disabling of transmit sensing at the >> coupler. For K3 and K3S users, TxSensEn can be set to ?disabled?, which >> will use the serial connection from the K3 to determine the TX state. >> Setting TxSensEn to ?enabled? will use forward power sensed at the TxMon >> coupler to determine TX state (useful for non-Elecraft radios). >> >> 73 >> Howard Stephenson K6IA >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w5sv.dave at gmail.com > From dmoes at nexicom.net Sun Aug 14 18:07:58 2016 From: dmoes at nexicom.net (dmoes at nexicom.net) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 18:07:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Mic Element with K3? Message-ID: <57b0ebbe.2e4b.da57d940.1995b7d4@nexicom.net> There is no magic to mic elements some ICOMs like higher output of electret The K3 has such a broad range of what kind of mic you can plug in there will be no problem so long as the connector is correct as the round Icom 8 pin is different than Kenwood/Elecraft wiring. David Moes VE3SD On Sunday 14/08/2016 at 2:19 pm, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: > > > > > Question: > > > > Will a Heil headphone (example Pro set) with Icom Element work on a K3 > without any modifications (Just K3 Microphone settings) when plugged > into > the rear of the radio? > > > > Thanks for the help. > > > > 73 Bill W4RM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dmoes at nexicom.net From len at ka7ftp.com Sun Aug 14 18:12:06 2016 From: len at ka7ftp.com (len at ka7ftp.com) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 16:12:06 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <000101d1f678$e4c1ce70$ae456b50$@ka7ftp.com> I tried to "tune" into the 20 meter net. Right now there is some broad band signal that is covering a 50 khz section of the band where the net is held. Does anyone else see the interfearence? Len -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of kevinr at coho.net Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 11:12 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Good Morning, Propagation is slightly better than last week. The SFU is above 90 with scattered sunspots. I was able to manage a few short 15-20 minute contacts this week. Just enough time to exchange weather reports and a few activities but not long enough for a real contact. The sun is moving rapidly southward hinting of fall. Three other signs are also showing the change of season. First the hummingbirds have departed for the coast. One week I was feeding them the next they left their feeder half full. Secondly the foxgloves have reached their last few blossoms of the year. This is my notice to start collecting wood in earnest. Thirdly the elk have started to scrape the trees to free their new antlers of velvet. I heard a bull the other day "whistling" for about ten minutes as he made his way through the new growth alder. Not yet a bugle but soon they'll be raising a racket. Please join us on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to len at ka7ftp.com From al7cr at mooseaviation.com Sun Aug 14 18:33:38 2016 From: al7cr at mooseaviation.com (AL7CR) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 15:33:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Data A Bandwidth Message-ID: <1471214018.2142397.695148929.209D7D59@webmail.messagingengine.com> I am setting up a new K3S-10 equipped with only the 2.7 filter. It appears that the maximum bandwidth for data a mode is 2200 hz with a lower limit of 200hz and an upper limit of 2400hz. I can use the bandwidth controls to reduce the bandwidth but they will not lower the low cut below 200 nor raise the high cut above 2400. This is obviously happening in the dsp as the cutoffs are hard straight lines in the waterfall. I can not find any info on this in the Cady book, the manual, or the list archives. My question is are these the hard data a bandwidth limits or have I missed something in the configuration. Thanks in advance for the help. AL7CR From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 14 18:49:30 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 18:49:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Data A Bandwidth In-Reply-To: <1471214018.2142397.695148929.209D7D59@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1471214018.2142397.695148929.209D7D59@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: You have something configured wrong. It sounds like you may have the filter settings incorrect. Take a look at the filter assignments in K3 Utility. With only the 2.7kHz filter installed, it should be the only filter that you see listed, and its width should be 2.7kHz. Make sure the offset is set to the value on the filer label. That filter should be enabled for receive in all modes and for CW, DATA and SSB transmit. What happens with the HiCut and LoCut if you set to USB mode? You should have the same thing in DATA A mode. In other words, I do not have a definite answer for you, but DATA A does not inherently restrict the bandwidth - you should be able to go down to 50Hz with the LoCut and up to over 3000Hz with HiCut. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/14/2016 6:33 PM, AL7CR wrote: > I am setting up a new K3S-10 equipped with only the 2.7 filter. It > appears that the maximum bandwidth for data a mode is 2200 hz with a > lower limit of 200hz and an upper limit of 2400hz. I can use the > bandwidth controls to reduce the bandwidth but they will not lower the > low cut below 200 nor raise the high cut above 2400. This is obviously > happening in the dsp as the cutoffs are hard straight lines in the > waterfall. > > I can not find any info on this in the Cady book, the manual, or the > list archives. My question is are these the hard data a bandwidth > limits or have I missed something in the configuration. > From al7cr at mooseaviation.com Sun Aug 14 19:16:37 2016 From: al7cr at mooseaviation.com (AL7CR) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 16:16:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Data A Bandwidth In-Reply-To: <57B0F745.7070500@comcast.net> References: <1471214018.2142397.695148929.209D7D59@webmail.messagingengine.com> <57B0F745.7070500@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1471216597.2149123.695172193.2A84BD01@webmail.messagingengine.com> My thanks to Brian and Don for the prompt assistance. You are precisely correct, my limits were caused by the dsp settings in fldigi not those in the K3. Opening the limits in fldigi allowed a max bandwidth of 150hz to 2850 hz. AL7CR On Sun, Aug 14, 2016, at 03:57 PM, brian wrote: > The lower cutoff is defaulted to 200 Hz normally to prevent spillover to > opposite sideband. > > I don't see the upper limit of 2400 here. It goes all the way out > slightly beyond 2.7 KHz. > > Rig is a K3 with new synthesizers. > 73 de brian/K3KO > From huntinhmb at coastside.net Sun Aug 14 20:52:22 2016 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 17:52:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement In-Reply-To: <000101d1f678$e4c1ce70$ae456b50$@ka7ftp.com> References: <000101d1f678$e4c1ce70$ae456b50$@ka7ftp.com> Message-ID: <9BFFE412-E12A-451E-9FCF-F085FEAAABCA@coastside.net> It was quiet here in CA, except of course for the WAE contest. Actually someone QRL?'d the net frequency and I responded YES and he moved on. Good OP. Your noise must be local. 73, Brian, K0DTJ > > I tried to "tune" into the 20 meter net. Right now there is some broad band > signal that is covering a 50 khz section of the band where the net is held. > Does anyone else see the interfearence? > > Len From dwightanderson at roadrunner.com Mon Aug 15 00:41:16 2016 From: dwightanderson at roadrunner.com (dwight) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 04:41:16 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] -SSB net and KX3&KXPA&BL2 Message-ID: Just a quick note today I had an extremely difficult time getting heard on the Elecraft SSB net on 20 meters with my vertical this morning. I decided to pull down the vertical. I decided to tape my Elecraft BL2 Balun to the Jackite pole and try a dipole. The BL2 and wire inverted V dipole were up about 35 feet. (10 foot elevated porch and 25 feet Jackite pole) My thought was the KX3 and KXPA tuner would deal with any tuning. Seemed like all bands tuned just fine. My thoughts were, will it radiate and to what extent. Then on 17M and I was hearing JA7WND calling CQ, SSB. I answered and he heard me and gave me a 5x7 and then 5x8, with a "nice audio!." That surprised me as 20M was very difficult and you'd think 17M would be worse. But that was not the biggest surprise. Later in the evening I heard UA3ZDC calling CQ, SSB on 20 meters. I responded and again he answered. Again he gave me a good signal. That was like over 5,500 miles from my QTH!!! He must have an incredible antenna and shack to hear me. I'm very impressed with the Elecraft equipment! All of it, even the balun kit. Well I did not make the Elecraft SSB net this time, but it was sure cool to make some DX contacts by not giving up and trying something different. Much Regards Dwight WM5F From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 02:03:34 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 01:03:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Using Elecraft K3, RigExpert Standard, and Winwarbler for digital modes Message-ID: <5037a781-dab4-4b42-7be2-746331d6baa6@gmail.com> I am trying to use Elecraft K3, RigExpert Standard, and Winwarbler for digital modes, but having some set up issues. Anyone out there been down this path before successfully that can share some setup info? Thanks & 73 de Dave, W6SV From john at kk9a.com Mon Aug 15 07:40:13 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 07:40:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Mic Element with K3? Message-ID: <1be9c962415fe2ca5dd8fffaea95f192.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Elecraft sells the Heil IC (electret element) headset so yes it will work fine. John KK9A Bill OMara w4rm Sun Aug 14 14:19:14 EDT 2016 Question: Will a Heil headphone (example Pro set) with Icom Element work on a K3 without any modifications (Just K3 Microphone settings) when plugged into the rear of the radio? Thanks for the help. 73 Bill W4RM From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Aug 15 09:03:49 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 06:03:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] -SSB net and KX3&KXPA&BL2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I tried getting in from New Hampshire running my KX3 flat out (15W), but no joy. John, N6JW did manage to copy the first 3 characters of my call, but couldn't get the rest. I could hear Eric and a few others, but apparently nobody could hear me. Running power seemed to help a lot. I was using a 2 element wire beam at about 15 feet. It is resonate on 20M, so the tuner isn't really needed. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/15/16 at 9:41 PM, dwightanderson at roadrunner.com (dwight) wrote: >Just a quick note today I had an extremely difficult time >getting heard on the Elecraft SSB net on 20 meters with my >vertical this morning. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From laussana at icloud.com Fri Aug 12 20:44:33 2016 From: laussana at icloud.com (Jorge Mejia P) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:44:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Kpa 500 problem when auxiliary cable connected ... Message-ID: <9F810994-2EDF-4B86-85D8-3433DBA0BAF6@icloud.com> I had been successfully using my KPA500 with an Icom and a K3 , alternatively with the use of the Key Line interrupter and a separate key line. Suddenly I cannot change bands on theKPA500 or go on Tx, even though the auxiliary cable is well seated and the Key line interrupter is well screwed to the K3 . The kpa500 works fine with the K3 alone, or when I disconnect the auxiliary cable from the K3 ,then I can change bands and use it with the Icom as long as I turn it off and the on again . This happens even when the K3 is off . I have also tried disconnecting the k3s serial cable to the computer and even from the PS , but no luck. Wonder if any one has experienced such a problem. Any ideas? Thank you Jorge HK4CZE From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 15 13:10:52 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 17:10:52 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Kpa 500 problem when auxiliary cable connected ... In-Reply-To: <9F810994-2EDF-4B86-85D8-3433DBA0BAF6@icloud.com> References: <9F810994-2EDF-4B86-85D8-3433DBA0BAF6@icloud.com> Message-ID: <015301d1f717$fb477dd0$f1d67970$@sbcglobal.net> Jorge, Have you checked the KPA500 menu to see what the transceiver setting is? It could have changed for some unknown reason. It should be set to K3 for the K3 to change bands on the KPA500. When you say it works fine alone, is the KPA500 changing bands correctly when you change bands on the K3 using the band change button on the K3 not RF sensing? Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jorge Mejia P Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 12:45 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Kpa 500 problem when auxiliary cable connected ... I had been successfully using my KPA500 with an Icom and a K3 , alternatively with the use of the Key Line interrupter and a separate key line. Suddenly I cannot change bands on theKPA500 or go on Tx, even though the auxiliary cable is well seated and the Key line interrupter is well screwed to the K3 . The kpa500 works fine with the K3 alone, or when I disconnect the auxiliary cable from the K3 ,then I can change bands and use it with the Icom as long as I turn it off and the on again . This happens even when the K3 is off . I have also tried disconnecting the k3s serial cable to the computer and even from the PS , but no luck. Wonder if any one has experienced such a problem. Any ideas? Thank you Jorge HK4CZE ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 15 13:28:14 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 13:28:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Kpa 500 problem when auxiliary cable connected ... In-Reply-To: <9F810994-2EDF-4B86-85D8-3433DBA0BAF6@icloud.com> References: <9F810994-2EDF-4B86-85D8-3433DBA0BAF6@icloud.com> Message-ID: <84915648-9126-282a-0ade-d19ad0cbca5c@embarqmail.com> Jorge, Are you attempting to use the band decode lines on both the Icom and the K3 at the same time? That will cause problems unless there is some kind of isolation provided. The fact that the K3 and KPA500 work "alone" indicates that there may be some conflict on the band data lines. When the K3 is off, the band data lines will go to an 'all zero' condition which decodes to 60 meters. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/12/2016 8:44 PM, Jorge Mejia P wrote: > I had been successfully using my KPA500 with an Icom and a K3 , alternatively with the use of the Key Line interrupter and a separate key line. > Suddenly I cannot change bands on theKPA500 or go on Tx, even though the auxiliary cable is well seated and the Key line interrupter is well screwed to the K3 . The kpa500 works fine with the K3 alone, or when I disconnect the auxiliary cable from the K3 ,then I can change bands and use it with the Icom as long as I turn it off and the on again . > > This happens even when the K3 is off . I have also tried disconnecting the k3s serial cable to the computer and even from the PS , but no luck. > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Aug 15 13:39:47 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 10:39:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Kpa 500 problem when auxiliary cable connected ... In-Reply-To: <84915648-9126-282a-0ade-d19ad0cbca5c@embarqmail.com> References: <9F810994-2EDF-4B86-85D8-3433DBA0BAF6@icloud.com> <84915648-9126-282a-0ade-d19ad0cbca5c@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <251bb159-ad83-1898-26e4-8ecede10f4b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,8/15/2016 10:28 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Are you attempting to use the band decode lines on both the Icom and > the K3 at the same time? > That will cause problems unless there is some kind of isolation provided. And remember that the KPA500 does NOT need band information from the rig -- it reads frequency with a short burst of RF and switches to the right band. So does the KAT500. Just hit a dit or tap the mic. The only interconnection that is NEEDED is the AMP KEY line. The only thing that a full AUX cable adds is that it allows you to push buttons on the KPA500 to make the K3 change bands. I don't use an AUX cable, just RCA-RCA for AMP KEY. During contests, I do that with N1MM. Outside of contests, I use the rocker band switch on the K3. 73, Jim K9YC From derrchris at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 14:12:25 2016 From: derrchris at gmail.com (Chris Derr) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 14:12:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale KAT100-1 Kit Message-ID: <0750B8A5-A105-4029-822C-9EDA19C64EBC@gmail.com> For Sale a brand new KAT100-1 external ATU Kit for K2. Unassembled, with manual and instructions in original box. Non-smoking environment. $150 Please respond to my email address: derrchris at gmail.com Sent from my iPad From mail at cvkimball.com Mon Aug 15 16:45:05 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 13:45:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared In-Reply-To: <1471005168515-7621568.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> <935525EF-8B53-4E70-9943-5C32DE2DED8E@widomaker.com> <1469649194181-7620783.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469899829872-7620901.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469964027850-7620930.post@n2.nabble.com> <1470944102131-7621536.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471002666340-7621567.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471005168515-7621568.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1471293905819-7621627.post@n2.nabble.com> Just received word from Elecraft: " Problem(s) found: No Transmit, defective DSP board Repair(s) performed: Replaced DSP board " That's not what I would have guessed, but they've checked it out and it goes back today, UPS Ground. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7621627.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 15 17:59:24 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 14:59:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Kpa 500 problem when auxiliary cable connected ... In-Reply-To: <251bb159-ad83-1898-26e4-8ecede10f4b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <9F810994-2EDF-4B86-85D8-3433DBA0BAF6@icloud.com> <84915648-9126-282a-0ade-d19ad0cbca5c@embarqmail.com> <251bb159-ad83-1898-26e4-8ecede10f4b1@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: The KPAK3AUX cable also switches the KPA500 band prior to transmit when you change bands on the K3/K3S. If the cable is not present, the amp will still change bands instantly upon transmission from any rig by measuring the frequency, including the K3/K3S. Either method works well. The KPAK3AUX cable also contains the AMP KEY signal, eliminating the need for the RCA PTT cable. If the KAT500 is also connected via the aux cables between the K3/K3S and the KPA500, them KPAK3AUX sends frequency information from the K3 to the ATU to select sub-band tuner segments prior to transmission. The KAT500 will also interrupt the AMP KEY line in the KPAK3AUX cables during tune. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ --- On 8/15/2016 10:39 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,8/15/2016 10:28 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Are you attempting to use the band decode lines on both the Icom and the K3 >> at the same time? >> That will cause problems unless there is some kind of isolation provided. > > And remember that the KPA500 does NOT need band information from the rig -- it > reads frequency with a short burst of RF and switches to the right band. So > does the KAT500. Just hit a dit or tap the mic. The only interconnection that > is NEEDED is the AMP KEY line. > > The only thing that a full AUX cable adds is that it allows you to push > buttons on the KPA500 to make the K3 change bands. I don't use an AUX cable, > just RCA-RCA for AMP KEY. During contests, I do that with N1MM. Outside of > contests, I use the rocker band switch on the K3. From pincon at erols.com Mon Aug 15 18:07:58 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 18:07:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PRO 7 vs RadioSport RS-60 Message-ID: <00c201d1f741$7f9f8270$7ede8750$@erols.com> Anyone have a comparison between the Heil PRO 7 and the Radio Sport RS-60 headsets with mic. when used with either the K3 or KX2/3? 73, Charlie k3ICH From pauls at elecraft.com Mon Aug 15 20:24:34 2016 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 17:24:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3] FN Key Macro Assignment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1471307074148-7621631.post@n2.nabble.com> Joel, There is no such feature that programs macros from the PX3 Utility into the PX3 function buttons. You can program the first 8 text macros (which can include both PX3 and KX3 commands) to execute with any of the FN buttons. Perhaps you are thinking of the KX3 utility? -Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-FN-Key-Macro-Assignment-tp7621605p7621631.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kevin at k4vd.net Mon Aug 15 20:39:24 2016 From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 20:39:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared In-Reply-To: <1471293905819-7621627.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> <935525EF-8B53-4E70-9943-5C32DE2DED8E@widomaker.com> <1469649194181-7620783.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469899829872-7620901.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469964027850-7620930.post@n2.nabble.com> <1470944102131-7621536.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471002666340-7621567.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471005168515-7621568.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471293905819-7621627.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: It always seems slightly less than satisfying to be told what broke but not how it might have broke. I always think back to the Navy six step troubleshooting method drilled into me in ET "A" school. The final step was always failure analysis. Then again, knowing it is fixed and on the way home and I'd get over it all pretty quickly. :) 73, Kev On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Chris Kimball wrote: > Just received word from Elecraft: > > " > Problem(s) found: > No Transmit, defective DSP board > > Repair(s) performed: > Replaced DSP board > " > > That's not what I would have guessed, but they've checked it out and it > goes > back today, UPS Ground. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7621627.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin at k4vd.net > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 15 21:16:37 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 21:16:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared In-Reply-To: References: <1469580522653-7620735.post@n2.nabble.com> <935525EF-8B53-4E70-9943-5C32DE2DED8E@widomaker.com> <1469649194181-7620783.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469899829872-7620901.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469964027850-7620930.post@n2.nabble.com> <1470944102131-7621536.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471002666340-7621567.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471005168515-7621568.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471293905819-7621627.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1446a5ac-f4d2-452b-f8b8-238f9f5bd576@embarqmail.com> Kev, While full failure analysis is a nice thing to do, it often takes significant lab equipment to fully analyze the failure point - and increases the time to repair (and cost to the customer). With dense SMD boards, the problem of failure analysis is compounded exponentially. It is not feasible in all cases to give a 'cause and effect' analysis. The best the technician can do in a reasonable amount of time is to venture a WAG (wild a** guess). 73, Don W3FPR On 8/15/2016 8:39 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote: > It always seems slightly less than satisfying to be told what broke but not > how it might have broke. I always think back to the Navy six step > troubleshooting method drilled into me in ET "A" school. The final step was > always failure analysis. > From jim at jtmiller.com Mon Aug 15 22:29:07 2016 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 22:29:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod utility? Message-ID: Any ETA on the K-Pod utility that will allow access to the TRRS output connector and LEDs? 73 jim ab3cv From w9ac at arrl.net Mon Aug 15 23:50:01 2016 From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 23:50:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod & K3-Mini Message-ID: <000801d1f771$4450b4c0$ccf21e40$@arrl.net> After studying the K-Pod manual this evening, it's not clear if the device will work with a K3-Mini? It may seem strange using the K-Pod with a Mini, but a recent shack change has resulted in the panel being placed on an upper desk tier. Paul, W9AC From yo7mgg at yahoo.com Tue Aug 16 06:26:03 2016 From: yo7mgg at yahoo.com (YO7MGG) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 03:26:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] 50MHz problems Message-ID: <1471343163389-7621636.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello, I have a Elecraft K3 and when i`m in 50Mhz and i want to dial the frequency my K3 jump to 45MHz and i can not have de 50 MHz frequency to operate. What can i do? Stefan YO7MGG -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/50MHz-problems-tp7621636.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From K8UT at charter.net Tue Aug 16 07:08:45 2016 From: K8UT at charter.net (Larry Gauthier (K8UT)) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:08:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPod Programming In-Reply-To: <3D5F1B1B-A0A8-48BC-8517-CD42197E3F7D@law.du.edu> References: <3D5F1B1B-A0A8-48BC-8517-CD42197E3F7D@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <8C99EB357E3D45CFB5A6B9E11D203ECC@K8UTPC> Ted, My K-Pod definitions are incomplete, but my plan is to program the most-common front panel operations into the K-POD. I also thought that I would get more mileage from the 8 buttons if the short-press and press-and-hold features of the K-Pod initiated an "opposite" action (this also made them easier to remember). For example: F1: press = Split+2KHz; hold = Simplex F2: press = BandUp; hold = BandDown F3: press= ModeUp; hold = ModeDown F4: press = FilterToggle; hold = also FilterToggle (not really an opposite action, but consistent with buttons 1 - 3) To accomplish this, my K3 utility Macro Labels and Definitions for buttons 1 - 4 look like this: 1: SIMPLEX, SWT13;SWT13;FT0;XT0; 2. BAND-DN, SWT09; 3. MODE-DN, SWT17; 4. FILTER-,SWT29; . . . 9. SPLIT+2, SWT13;SWT13;FT1;UPB5;RT0;XT0; 10. BAND-UP, SWT10; 11. MODE-UP, SWT18; 12. FILTER+; SWT29; These definitions outsource 90% of my "reach for the radio" activities to the K-Pod. I have not yet decided what role buttons 4 - 8 will perform. -larry (K8UT) -----Original Message----- From: Dauer, Edward Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:58 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPod Programming Just learned that my KPod is being shipped today, for arrival late next week. Has anyone officially or unofficially been gathering up suggested programming functions and associated macros that the K3 community thinks of greatest interest or use? Ted, KN1CBR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k8ut at charter.net From w0agmike at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 08:34:13 2016 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:34:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod & K3-Mini In-Reply-To: References: <000801d1f771$4450b4c0$ccf21e40$@arrl.net> Message-ID: I asked this question a while back and Eric responded that it probably won't be any time soon. Mike -W0AG On Aug 15, 2016 10:51 PM, "Paul Christensen" wrote: After studying the K-Pod manual this evening, it's not clear if the device will work with a K3-Mini? It may seem strange using the K-Pod with a Mini, but a recent shack change has resulted in the panel being placed on an upper desk tier. Paul, W9AC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w0agmike at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 16 08:44:49 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 08:44:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 50MHz problems In-Reply-To: <1471343163389-7621636.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1471343163389-7621636.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3caba5ec-c1b7-af0d-4049-97f6872c73df@embarqmail.com> Stefan, I suggest you contact K3support at elecraft.com, they should have suggestions for you. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/16/2016 6:26 AM, YO7MGG via Elecraft wrote: > Hello, > > I have a Elecraft K3 and when i`m in 50Mhz and i want to dial the frequency > my K3 jump to 45MHz and i can not have de 50 MHz frequency to operate. What > can i do? > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Aug 16 12:12:14 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 09:12:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod utility? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02DF09D2-4EA0-4B8F-B1D4-6079A3152220@elecraft.com> Hi Jim, We already have this implemented. Should have full details later this week. Short version: there are two new commands you can put in K3 macros that directly control the K-Pod's LEDs and AUX outputs. This is very flexible, allowing you to control both the radio and K-Pod at the same time, with arbitrary LED and AUX assignments to switch functions. 73, Wayne N6KR On Aug 15, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > Any ETA on the K-Pod utility that will allow access to the TRRS output > connector and LEDs? > > 73 > > jim ab3cv From phil at k3tuf.com Tue Aug 16 14:51:15 2016 From: phil at k3tuf.com (Phil Theis) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:51:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Extra radio FS Message-ID: <59a51c0a-9747-e476-0341-fcb1fd712d38@k3tuf.com> Hi have a complete K3S line for sale. Including K3S/100, P3, KPA500, KAT500 with many extras. Filters, .250, .400, 1.8, 2.1 Others include: Xref, KDVR3 and MH2 Please contact me off list for more, if interested. Thanks, Phil K3TUF From jimlcary at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 17:21:33 2016 From: jimlcary at gmail.com (Jim Cary) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 17:21:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote and KPA500 Remote Message-ID: <2334B311-46E3-4FB9-852A-C4896169B50A@gmail.com> I have downloaded the above software from the Elecraft website to remotely control my KAT500 and KPA500. However, their are no setup instructions included and Elecraft does not have them since the software came from a third party. If anyone has the setup information, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Jim Cary W2SM From k6mr at arrl.net Tue Aug 16 17:26:48 2016 From: k6mr at arrl.net (Ken K6MR) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:26:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote and KPA500 Remote Message-ID: Setup depends on your physical connection. Are you controlling only a serial port or doing client/server via tcp/ip? Ken K6MR From: Jim Cary Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 14:22 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote and KPA500 Remote I have downloaded the above software from the Elecraft website to remotely control my KAT500 and KPA500. However, their are no setup instructions included and Elecraft does not have them since the software came from a third party. If anyone has the setup information, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Jim Cary W2SM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From jimlcary at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 17:31:02 2016 From: jimlcary at gmail.com (Jim Cary) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 17:31:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote and KPA500 Remote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6997052F-BC19-4D68-8CBA-355CAA92125E@gmail.com> Ken, Sorry, but you have completely lost me there I am not up on terminology (someone should write a good book on basic terminology!). In my simple language, I?ll have PC?s at both ends, with the remote PC connected with the appropriate cable to each of the units and the software programs running on the control PC. Obviously each PC will be connected to a router. Does this help? Jim W2SM > On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:26 PM, Ken K6MR wrote: > > Setup depends on your physical connection. Are you controlling only a serial port or doing client/server via tcp/ip? > > Ken K6MR > > > > From: Jim Cary > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 14:22 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote and KPA500 Remote > > I have downloaded the above software from the Elecraft website to remotely control my KAT500 and KPA500. However, their are no setup instructions included and Elecraft does not have them since the software came from a third party. > > If anyone has the setup information, I would greatly appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Jim Cary > W2SM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From eric at elecraft.com Tue Aug 16 17:32:11 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:32:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote and KPA500 Remote In-Reply-To: <2334B311-46E3-4FB9-852A-C4896169B50A@gmail.com> References: <2334B311-46E3-4FB9-852A-C4896169B50A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Actually this software was written by Brandon, KG6YPI, who works here in our engineering group. I've forwarded your email to him. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/16/2016 2:21 PM, Jim Cary wrote: > I have downloaded the above software from the Elecraft website to remotely control my KAT500 and KPA500. However, their are no setup instructions included and Elecraft does not have them since the software came from a third party. > > If anyone has the setup information, I would greatly appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Jim Cary > W2SM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From jimlcary at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 17:34:30 2016 From: jimlcary at gmail.com (Jim Cary) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 17:34:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote and KPA500 Remote In-Reply-To: References: <2334B311-46E3-4FB9-852A-C4896169B50A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <09AF1112-37C0-47FA-AAAF-EE02DBECB0A5@gmail.com> Eric, Thanks a lot. This is whole new (fun???) world! 73, Jim > On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > Actually this software was written by Brandon, KG6YPI, who works here in our engineering group. I've forwarded your email to him. > > 73, > > Eric > elecraft.com > > On 8/16/2016 2:21 PM, Jim Cary wrote: >> I have downloaded the above software from the Elecraft website to remotely control my KAT500 and KPA500. However, their are no setup instructions included and Elecraft does not have them since the software came from a third party. >> >> If anyone has the setup information, I would greatly appreciate it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim Cary >> W2SM >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com >> > From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Aug 16 18:41:50 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 15:41:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote and KPA500 Remote In-Reply-To: <2334B311-46E3-4FB9-852A-C4896169B50A@gmail.com> References: <2334B311-46E3-4FB9-852A-C4896169B50A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50b8c04b-4ace-2ef5-18b8-2a1e47ccdb29@foothill.net> I think Brandon at Elecraft wrote those, he's Mr. Elecraft Remote. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 8/16/2016 2:21 PM, Jim Cary wrote: > I have downloaded the above software from the Elecraft website to > remotely control my KAT500 and KPA500. However, their are no setup > instructions included and Elecraft does not have them since the > software came from a third party. > > If anyone has the setup information, I would greatly appreciate it. From lovewell at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 10:07:18 2016 From: lovewell at gmail.com (W0MLD W0MLD) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:07:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: KX3 Loaded, PX3, and KXPA100 Message-ID: I am building a big home station and need to liquidate my lesser used gear. My cell is (563) 370-2238 and I would prefer to speak on the phone to any prospective buyer. Loads of pictures of everything for sale at: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ixiw505u0rtwo6h/AABHTZ4sag2rQ5r2wZ3IS6Pua?dl=0 Pictures were taken with my QSL from my last call as I don't have QSL cards for my new vanity call yet! I was the original purchaser of all of these direct from Elecraft. One owner in a smoke free home. My wife does have a cat, but my shack and gear is in a literal walk in vault in which he has never stepped foot. 1.) KX3 with: Factory Box BNC Male to Stackable Binding Posts KXAT3 - ATU for the KX3 KXBC3 - Int. NiMH Charger/Clk for KX3 KXFL3 - KXFL3 Dual-Passband Roofing Filter KXPD3 - KXPD3 Precision Keyer Paddle MH3 - MH3 Hand Mic. for KX3 KX3-2M-AT - 2 Meter Module Nifty Manual KX3 USB and KX3 Serial Cable extra power cords (see photos) extra connectors (see photos) The KX3 was factory built and then I later ordered the 2m module and added it in myself. I have lots of experience building computers and quad copters that are much more complex, so rest assured it was done on an anti-static mat using proper procedure and tools. I don't know if it is definitive but the hour meter is at 8hrs and 42 minutes, so it has NOT seen much use. Asking $1300 + $15 shipping anywhere CONUS 2.) KXPA100 with auto tuner with the adapter cable and KXUSB cable. This was factory built as well, but I later added the antenna tuner myself. Asking $800 + $15 shipping anywhere CONUS 3.) I have a PX3 that was a kit. It's good to go but the screen is a bit scratched... not noticeable when it's powered on. It has the cord that comes with it and an unused power cord. It also comes with a Nifty manual. $315 + $10 shipping If you want the entire setup of all three, it's yours for $2200 shipped CONUS I can take paypal, check, money order, or cash. I'd meet you up to 150 miles from my QTH if you bring cash. My paypal address is not this e-mail address, so don't jump the gun and send payment without checking with me first! Like I said, please call anyhow. I've been burned by paypal before so I want to make sure you're a real person and all that stuff first :). Thanks for looking! Matt Lovewell - W0MLD From john.evans.n0hj at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 10:28:44 2016 From: john.evans.n0hj at gmail.com (John Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 08:28:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: KX3 Loaded, PX3, and KXPA100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The PX3 has sold. 72 - john - n0hj ------- >>> 3.) >>> I have a PX3 that was a kit. It's good to go but the screen is a bit >>> scratched... not noticeable when it's powered on. It has the cord that >>> comes with it and an unused power cord. It also comes with a Nifty >>> manual. >>> >>> $315 + $10 shipping >>> ... >>> >>> Thanks for looking! >>> >>> Matt Lovewell - W0MLD >>> >> From wrmichael at hotmail.com Wed Aug 17 14:34:39 2016 From: wrmichael at hotmail.com (Wayne Michael) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 14:34:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and LDG z100plus Message-ID: Anyone using a LDG z100 Plus with the K3S? From k7pm40 at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 16:08:36 2016 From: k7pm40 at gmail.com (Paul Meier) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:08:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: KX3 Loaded, PX3, and KXPA100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: KXPA100 has been sold. Thanks On Aug 17, 2016 7:08 AM, "W0MLD W0MLD" wrote: > I am building a big home station and need to liquidate my lesser used gear. > > My cell is (563) 370-2238 and I would prefer to speak on the phone to any > prospective buyer. > > Loads of pictures of everything for sale at: > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ixiw505u0rtwo6h/AABHTZ4sag2rQ5r2wZ3IS6Pua?dl=0 > > Pictures were taken with my QSL from my last call as I don't have QSL cards > for my new vanity call yet! > > I was the original purchaser of all of these direct from Elecraft. One > owner in a smoke free home. My wife does have a cat, but my shack and gear > is in a literal walk in vault in which he has never stepped foot. > > 1.) > KX3 with: > > Factory Box > BNC Male to Stackable Binding Posts > KXAT3 - ATU for the KX3 > KXBC3 - Int. NiMH Charger/Clk for KX3 > KXFL3 - KXFL3 Dual-Passband Roofing Filter > KXPD3 - KXPD3 Precision Keyer Paddle > MH3 - MH3 Hand Mic. for KX3 > KX3-2M-AT - 2 Meter Module > Nifty Manual > KX3 USB and KX3 Serial Cable > extra power cords (see photos) > extra connectors (see photos) > > > The KX3 was factory built and then I later ordered the 2m module and added > it in myself. I have lots of experience building computers and quad > copters that are much more complex, so rest assured it was done on an > anti-static mat using proper procedure and tools. > > I don't know if it is definitive but the hour meter is at 8hrs and 42 > minutes, so it has NOT seen much use. > > Asking $1300 + $15 shipping anywhere CONUS > > > 2.) > KXPA100 with auto tuner with the adapter cable and KXUSB cable. This was > factory built as well, but I later added the antenna tuner myself. > > Asking $800 + $15 shipping anywhere CONUS > > > 3.) > I have a PX3 that was a kit. It's good to go but the screen is a bit > scratched... not noticeable when it's powered on. It has the cord that > comes with it and an unused power cord. It also comes with a Nifty manual. > > $315 + $10 shipping > > If you want the entire setup of all three, it's yours for $2200 shipped > CONUS > > I can take paypal, check, money order, or cash. I'd meet you up to 150 > miles from my QTH if you bring cash. My paypal address is not this e-mail > address, so don't jump the gun and send payment without checking with me > first! Like I said, please call anyhow. I've been burned by paypal before > so I want to make sure you're a real person and all that stuff first :). > > Thanks for looking! > > Matt Lovewell - W0MLD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k7pm40 at gmail.com > From ve6erl at shaw.ca Wed Aug 17 20:35:49 2016 From: ve6erl at shaw.ca (Earl Grotzki) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 18:35:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Edmonton Alberta, Canada K2 owners Message-ID: Are there any K2 owners in the Edmonton area? Please email me at ve6erl at shaw.ca Earl, VE6ERL From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Wed Aug 17 22:29:50 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 02:29:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B: Another great Elecraft upgrade Message-ID: Hi folks, Last night I performed the KIO3B upgrade on my new (old) K3. As with all Elecraft projects I've done, documentation was great, and things work as expected. A few minor things needed some thinking: * I forgot to upgrade the firmware before installing it, but I was able to get the right firmware version loaded over USB by toggling the KIO3B into RS232/legacy mode. * A hidden end of one of the TMP cables got loose while I was putting everything back together, which caused an easily-fixed ERR PL1. * The lack of sound scared me for a minute, but then I found the very last instruction, to toggle the KIO3B speaker -/+ setting, and that fixed the sound. This is the neatest digital-capable ham shack I've ever had, and I'm already happy I installed it. Thanks, Elecraft folks. Bruce From wrmichael at hotmail.com Thu Aug 18 13:02:45 2016 From: wrmichael at hotmail.com (Wayne Michael) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 13:02:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X Message-ID: I am having an issue with WSJT-X. After hooking up my K3S to my computer and configuring it to use the sound card it keep crashing the computer with a bug check 50 on usbaudio.sys. Has anyone else seen this? JT65HF HB9HQX seems to work just fine so I am thinking it is not the hardware but wondered it I was an isolated case or if others are having it? Thanks, Wayne From jermo at carolinaheli.com Thu Aug 18 13:35:48 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 13:35:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <088d01d1f976$f650c280$e2f24780$@carolinaheli.com> Could be lots of things. Hardware, drivers, OS, ..etc Based on the data provided change the flux capacitor :) http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bug+check+50+on+usbaudio.sys&l=1 as a suggestion: 1. Unplug all attached hardware except keyboard, mouse, monitor, and K3S, power on the K3S then power on the PC.. does the issue persist? 2. perhaps indicate what OS and hardware specs you are using? 3. Which port on the back of the K3S are you connected to and are you connected to a USB1, 2 or 3 port? 4. Have you enabled the USB in the settings? 5. any adapter, hub, or other connection between or associated with the cable from the K3S and the computer.. Hope this helps and gets you started. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Michael Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:03 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X I am having an issue with WSJT-X. After hooking up my K3S to my computer and configuring it to use the sound card it keep crashing the computer with a bug check 50 on usbaudio.sys. Has anyone else seen this? JT65HF HB9HQX seems to work just fine so I am thinking it is not the hardware but wondered it I was an isolated case or if others are having it? Thanks, Wayne ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Thu Aug 18 14:28:33 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:28:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 3D Printed Case Message-ID: <1471544913013-7621656.post@n2.nabble.com> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1725026 Something to keep your KX1 in while you're using your new KX2. From a fellow forum member cockpitbob. Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX1-3D-Printed-Case-tp7621656.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w4my at reagan.com Thu Aug 18 14:32:52 2016 From: w4my at reagan.com (Marty) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:32:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 For Sale Message-ID: I am selling my KDSP2 currently installed in my K2/100. Now that Elecraft had to discontinue this I'll make mine available to someone who can get better use from it than me. It works good, and as it should, but I usually end up leaving it in Low Pass or disabled. This is my expedition rig and it's just too complex an accessory for me when using this rig only occasionally. I'll ship it in its static packaging with the original manual via USPS Priority Mail for $260 OBO. Please contact me off list if interested. Thanks. 73 Marty / W4MY From wrmichael at hotmail.com Thu Aug 18 16:41:02 2016 From: wrmichael at hotmail.com (Wayne Michael) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:41:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X In-Reply-To: <088d01d1f976$f650c280$e2f24780$@carolinaheli.com> References: , <088d01d1f976$f650c280$e2f24780$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: Jerry, I did the basic trouble shooting. I guess I forgot to mention that it works with JT65HF? Seems to be specific to WSJT-X.Thanks for the tips. Wayne AC9HP > From: jermo at carolinaheli.com > To: wrmichael at hotmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X > Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 13:35:48 -0400 > > Could be lots of things. > Hardware, drivers, OS, ..etc > Based on the data provided change the flux capacitor :) > > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bug+check+50+on+usbaudio.sys&l=1 > > as a suggestion: > 1. Unplug all attached hardware except keyboard, mouse, monitor, and K3S, > power on the K3S then power on the PC.. does the issue persist? > 2. perhaps indicate what OS and hardware specs you are using? > 3. Which port on the back of the K3S are you connected to and are you > connected to a USB1, 2 or 3 port? > 4. Have you enabled the USB in the settings? > 5. any adapter, hub, or other connection between or associated with the > cable from the K3S and the computer.. > > Hope this helps and gets you started. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne > Michael > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:03 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X > > I am having an issue with WSJT-X. > After hooking up my K3S to my computer and configuring it to use the sound > card it keep crashing the computer with a bug check 50 on usbaudio.sys. > Has anyone else seen this? > JT65HF HB9HQX seems to work just fine so I am thinking it is not the > hardware but wondered it I was an isolated case or if others are having it? > Thanks, > Wayne > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Thu Aug 18 16:50:39 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:50:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X Message-ID: <08fitnd39a5d81k9ndlq5scr.1471553439270@email.android.com> A blue sky den is always a driver issue. Change your hardware.?83 Tom? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Jerry Moore Date: 2016-08-18 1:35 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Wayne Michael' , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X Could be lots of things. Hardware, drivers, OS, ..etc Based on the data provided change the flux capacitor :) http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bug+check+50+on+usbaudio.sys&l=1 as a suggestion: 1. Unplug all attached hardware except keyboard, mouse, monitor, and K3S, power on the K3S then power on the PC.. does the issue persist? 2. perhaps indicate what OS and hardware specs you are using? 3. Which port on the back of the K3S are you connected to and are you connected to a USB1, 2 or 3 port? 4. Have you enabled the USB in the settings? 5. any adapter, hub, or other connection between or associated with the cable from the K3S and the computer.. Hope this helps and gets you started. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Michael Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:03 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X I am having an issue with WSJT-X. After hooking up my K3S to my computer and configuring it to use the sound card it keep crashing the computer with a bug check 50 on usbaudio.sys. Has anyone else seen this? JT65HF HB9HQX seems to work just fine so I am thinking it is not the hardware but wondered it I was an isolated case or if others are having it? Thanks, Wayne ?? ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From w2id at comcast.net Thu Aug 18 17:37:36 2016 From: w2id at comcast.net (w2id at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 21:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Use of K3 and K3S with MK2R+ In-Reply-To: <976326329.858102.1471554117805.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1290967513.905792.1471556256930.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Hi all, I am the proud owner of my first Elecraft radio, a used K3 that I purchased a couple weeks ago. So far, I am very impressed with the receiver, and with how well thought out the features are. As I write this, the rig is on its way to Elecraft for the KXV3B and Synthesizer upgrades. I do SO2R contesting with an MK2R+, and will be replacing one of my beloved FT-1000MP's with this new K3, thanks to the inspiration from a friend who complained loudly about my key clicks last year . I have already picked up a Microham DB37-EL-K23 cable, and I know I need a VGA splitter (one male, two females) to connect the P3 and the TopTen band decoder simultaneously. I assume the CAT control should be able to work through the P3 to control the radio, though I haven't gotten it to work yet. (User error, I'm sure.) My questions are: 1. I was planning to NOT add the KIO3BUPKT I/O upgrade, because I figured it's not necessary if I am using the MK2R+ as my DVK. Is that correct, or am I missing something? 2. How would I be able to tell if the KDVRS is installed? The seller said in his listing that the radio has the KDVRS, but I just noticed as I was writing this that the original invoice doesn't show a KDVRS. Since the seller says he never modified the rig, either his listing or the invoice was wrong, but I don't know which. 3. When contesting with N1MM and an MK2R+, what purpose would the KDVRS serve? And does the answer to this question vary based on whether or not the KIO3BUPKT is installed? 4. If some day I decide to also get a K3S as my other SO2R radio, are there any options that would become required in the K3 in order to use the two radios side-by-side sharing a single MK2R+? (Specifically I'm wondering about the KIO3BUPKT and the KDVRS, but do the two rigs need to have those things or any other things in common?) Thanks and 73, John W2ID From lists at subich.com Thu Aug 18 18:43:39 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:43:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X In-Reply-To: References: <088d01d1f976$f650c280$e2f24780$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <3c830da4-8629-a29b-03c0-e7bd65b7f2d2@subich.com> The error is generated by the sound card in the K3S - you probably have the [Windows] default format to the wrong sample rate for WSJT-X. Use Windows Sound Control Panel and set the Default Format to 2 channel, 16 bit, 48000 Hz (DVD Quality). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/18/2016 4:41 PM, Wayne Michael wrote: > Jerry, > I did the basic trouble shooting. > I guess I forgot to mention that it works with JT65HF? Seems to be specific to WSJT-X.Thanks for the tips. > Wayne AC9HP > >> From: jermo at carolinaheli.com >> To: wrmichael at hotmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X >> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 13:35:48 -0400 >> >> Could be lots of things. >> Hardware, drivers, OS, ..etc >> Based on the data provided change the flux capacitor :) >> >> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bug+check+50+on+usbaudio.sys&l=1 >> >> as a suggestion: >> 1. Unplug all attached hardware except keyboard, mouse, monitor, and K3S, >> power on the K3S then power on the PC.. does the issue persist? >> 2. perhaps indicate what OS and hardware specs you are using? >> 3. Which port on the back of the K3S are you connected to and are you >> connected to a USB1, 2 or 3 port? >> 4. Have you enabled the USB in the settings? >> 5. any adapter, hub, or other connection between or associated with the >> cable from the K3S and the computer.. >> >> Hope this helps and gets you started. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne >> Michael >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:03 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X >> >> I am having an issue with WSJT-X. >> After hooking up my K3S to my computer and configuring it to use the sound >> card it keep crashing the computer with a bug check 50 on usbaudio.sys. >> Has anyone else seen this? >> JT65HF HB9HQX seems to work just fine so I am thinking it is not the >> hardware but wondered it I was an isolated case or if others are having it? >> Thanks, >> Wayne >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >> delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From lists at subich.com Thu Aug 18 18:52:17 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:52:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Use of K3 and K3S with MK2R+ In-Reply-To: <1290967513.905792.1471556256930.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <1290967513.905792.1471556256930.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <88013bac-8f1c-26fe-914f-aa98e02d7c16@subich.com> > I have already picked up a Microham DB37-EL-K23 cable, and I know I > need a VGA splitter (one male, two females) to connect the P3 and > the TopTen band decoder simultaneously. Elecraft E980190 see: http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#kpa500 You will need the Y cable to connect MK2r+ (FSK) and the Band Decoder at the same time unless you elect to drive thee band decoder from the MK2R ACC jack. > I assume the CAT control should be able to work through the P3 to > control the radio, though I haven't gotten it to work yet. (User > error, I'm sure.) Configure the K3 and MK2R+ for 38,400 bps. Connect the DB37-EL-K23 RS-232 plug to the PC jack on the P3, connect the RS-232 jack on the P3 to the RS-232 jack on the K3. > Is that correct, or am I missing something? You are correct - KIO3BUPKT is useless with an external interface/sound card. > 3. When contesting with N1MM and an MK2R+, what purpose would the > KDVRS serve? *NONE* - the N1MM+ DVR is much more flexible than the limited number of stored [fixed] messages in the KDVR3. > does the answer to this question vary based on whether or not the > KIO3BUPKT is installed? No. > 4. If some day I decide to also get a K3S as my other SO2R radio, > arethere any options that would become required None. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/18/2016 5:37 PM, w2id at comcast.net wrote: > Hi all, > > I am the proud owner of my first Elecraft radio, a used K3 that I purchased a couple weeks ago. So far, I am very impressed with the receiver, and with how well thought out the features are. As I write this, the rig is on its way to Elecraft for the KXV3B and Synthesizer upgrades. > > I do SO2R contesting with an MK2R+, and will be replacing one of my beloved FT-1000MP's with this new K3, thanks to the inspiration from a friend who complained loudly about my key clicks last year > . > I have already picked up a Microham DB37-EL-K23 cable, and I know I need a VGA splitter (one male, two females) to connect the P3 and the TopTen band decoder simultaneously. > I assume the CAT control should be able to work through the P3 to control the radio, though I haven't gotten it to work yet. (User error, I'm sure.) > > > My questions are: > > 1. I was planning to NOT add the KIO3BUPKT I/O upgrade, because I figured it's not necessary if I am using the MK2R+ as my DVK. Is that correct, or am I missing something? > > 2. How would I be able to tell if the KDVRS is installed? The seller said in his listing that the radio has the KDVRS, but I just noticed as I was writing this that the original invoice doesn't show a KDVRS. Since the seller says he never modified the rig, either his listing or the invoice was wrong, but I don't know which. > > 3. When contesting with N1MM and an MK2R+, what purpose would the KDVRS serve? And does the answer to this question vary based on whether or not the KIO3BUPKT is installed? > > 4. If some day I decide to also get a K3S as my other SO2R radio, are there any options that would become required in the K3 in order to use the two radios side-by-side sharing a single MK2R+? (Specifically I'm wondering about the KIO3BUPKT and the KDVRS, but do the two rigs need to have those things or any other things in common?) > > > Thanks and 73, > > John W2ID > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 18 19:13:13 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:13:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X In-Reply-To: <3c830da4-8629-a29b-03c0-e7bd65b7f2d2@subich.com> References: <088d01d1f976$f650c280$e2f24780$@carolinaheli.com> <3c830da4-8629-a29b-03c0-e7bd65b7f2d2@subich.com> Message-ID: <883cd914-5757-a3eb-4a60-1a2807171a28@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,8/18/2016 3:43 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > 2 channel, 16 bit, 48000 Hz (DVD Quality) Just for the record, the standard for DVD audio is 44.1 kHz 16 bit. I'm not suggesting that there's a BIG difference in quality. :) 73, Jim K9YC From Robin at rmoseley.co.uk Thu Aug 18 20:13:35 2016 From: Robin at rmoseley.co.uk (Robin Moseley) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 01:13:35 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X In-Reply-To: <883cd914-5757-a3eb-4a60-1a2807171a28@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <088d01d1f976$f650c280$e2f24780$@carolinaheli.com><3c830da4-8629-a29b-03c0-e7bd65b7f2d2@subich.com> <883cd914-5757-a3eb-4a60-1a2807171a28@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Really? from what I see.... 44k was CD.. 48K is DVD. Robin G1MHU From glcazzola at alice.it Thu Aug 18 20:24:22 2016 From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 02:24:22 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] R: K3S and WSJT-X In-Reply-To: <883cd914-5757-a3eb-4a60-1a2807171a28@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <088d01d1f976$f650c280$e2f24780$@carolinaheli.com> <3c830da4-8629-a29b-03c0-e7bd65b7f2d2@subich.com> <883cd914-5757-a3eb-4a60-1a2807171a28@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <20160819002422.6238290.12394.16917@alice.it> No, DVD audio il 96khz 24 bit. 44k 16bit is CD. Invio?eseguito?dallo?smartphone?BlackBerry?10. ? Messaggio originale ? Da: Jim Brown Inviato: venerd? 19 agosto 2016 01:13 A: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Rispondi a: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Oggetto: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X On Thu,8/18/2016 3:43 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > 2 channel, 16 bit, 48000 Hz (DVD Quality) Just for the record, the standard for DVD audio is 44.1 kHz 16 bit. I'm not suggesting that there's a BIG difference in quality. :) 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to glcazzola at alice.it From Hamshack at N4ST.com Thu Aug 18 20:51:02 2016 From: Hamshack at N4ST.com (Jim - N4ST) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:51:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014a01d1f9b3$c6bccfe0$54366fa0$@N4ST.com> Wayne, This would appear to be a problem unique to your configuration. I have been running WSJT-X for several versions with my K3S without seeing this problem. No problems when using Windows 7, 8 and 10 64-bit home versions on different PCs. Not sure what you are using. I am assuming when you say you are using "the sound card", you do mean a USB connection to the K3S internal sound card. (?) __________ 73, Jim - N4ST -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Michael Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 13:03 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X I am having an issue with WSJT-X. After hooking up my K3S to my computer and configuring it to use the sound card it keep crashing the computer with a bug check 50 on usbaudio.sys. Has anyone else seen this? JT65HF HB9HQX seems to work just fine so I am thinking it is not the hardware but wondered it I was an isolated case or if others are having it? Thanks, Wayne ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hamshack at n4st.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 18 21:07:10 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:07:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X In-Reply-To: References: <088d01d1f976$f650c280$e2f24780$@carolinaheli.com> <3c830da4-8629-a29b-03c0-e7bd65b7f2d2@subich.com> <883cd914-5757-a3eb-4a60-1a2807171a28@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5903817f-b52d-1340-4693-9143650f9ec9@audiosystemsgroup.com> My goof. Joe is right. CD is 44.1 73, Jim On Thu,8/18/2016 5:13 PM, Robin Moseley wrote: > Really? from what I see.... 44k was CD.. 48K is DVD. > Robin G1MHU From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Thu Aug 18 21:10:59 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:10:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X In-Reply-To: <5903817f-b52d-1340-4693-9143650f9ec9@audiosystemsgroup.com > References: <088d01d1f976$f650c280$e2f24780$@carolinaheli.com> <3c830da4-8629-a29b-03c0-e7bd65b7f2d2@subich.com> <883cd914-5757-a3eb-4a60-1a2807171a28@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5903817f-b52d-1340-4693-9143650f9ec9@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Not to hijack this thread but has anyone used WSJT-X 1.7 and JT65B with the K3s? Ken ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From lists at subich.com Thu Aug 18 21:15:51 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 21:15:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and WSJT-X In-Reply-To: <883cd914-5757-a3eb-4a60-1a2807171a28@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <088d01d1f976$f650c280$e2f24780$@carolinaheli.com> <3c830da4-8629-a29b-03c0-e7bd65b7f2d2@subich.com> <883cd914-5757-a3eb-4a60-1a2807171a28@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <3db0dbf9-1692-dbae-af6f-43897b56bdad@subich.com> On 8/18/2016 7:13 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Just for the record, the standard for DVD audio is 44.1 kHz 16 bit. To make it clear according to *WINDOWS* 2 channel, 16 bit 44100 Hz (CD quality) 2 channel, 16 bit 48000 Hz (DVD Quality) Directly from the Windows Sounds Control Panel ... If you want to argue, argue with Microsoft. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/18/2016 7:13 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Thu,8/18/2016 3:43 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> 2 channel, 16 bit, 48000 Hz (DVD Quality) > > Just for the record, the standard for DVD audio is 44.1 kHz 16 bit. I'm > not suggesting that there's a BIG difference in quality. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From b.bill.p at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 22:13:30 2016 From: b.bill.p at gmail.com (BillP) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 19:13:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX-3 Microphonics with KX-3 2M 2 meter option Message-ID: <785CAAF4-61B7-4313-85B7-405E1A9DAAC7@gmail.com> Love my KX-3 but during 144mhz SSB operation any vibration results in microphonics heard in the loud speaker but otherwise operation seems fine on 144 SSB. Any hints, I was hoping to make this my high performance SSB rig for VHF portable contesting. Bill K6ACJ (fully loaded KX-1, KX-3, KXPA-100). Sent from my iPad From b.bill.p at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 22:16:52 2016 From: b.bill.p at gmail.com (BillP) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 19:16:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Need Shorter KX-3 to KXPA-100 Cables Message-ID: <4C9C7BDE-134F-45C4-B10A-85A5F5C3DAA4@gmail.com> When using the KXPA-100 with the KX-3 my portable station is a mess of Elecraft cables prone to RFI, is there a source for shorter cables? I find 12-24 inches is plenty for interconnecting cables for portable and many mobile sets. Thanks ... Bill K6ACJ Sent from my iPad From cautery at montac.com Thu Aug 18 23:16:03 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:16:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Need Shorter KX-3 to KXPA-100 Cables In-Reply-To: <4C9C7BDE-134F-45C4-B10A-85A5F5C3DAA4@gmail.com> References: <4C9C7BDE-134F-45C4-B10A-85A5F5C3DAA4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <174a4f65-3feb-be3a-d3bf-c16c990a9397@montac.com> I make my own cables... Not sure about what cables you need for a KX-3, but I haven't found a cable I couldn't make... The stock cables SHOULD work fine, but you need to have a chassis bond between EACH pair of equipment pieces that are joined by an unbalanced cable whether the cable is shielded or not... Shorter is generally better. Bigger conductors are generally better... twisted pair conductors (if paired correctly) is almost ALWAYS better... Of course, custom made cables at the exact length required always makes things look nicer... :-) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/18/2016 9:16 PM, BillP wrote: > When using the KXPA-100 with the KX-3 my portable station is a mess of Elecraft cables prone to RFI, is there a source for shorter cables? I find 12-24 inches is plenty for interconnecting cables for portable and many mobile sets. Thanks ... Bill K6ACJ > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From stewart at g3ysx.org.uk Fri Aug 19 09:46:20 2016 From: stewart at g3ysx.org.uk (Stewart Bryant) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 14:46:20 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] "Turn on the KPA500" Error Message-ID: <213ba2c3-5060-0567-519d-3d7d91dbfee6@g3ysx.org.uk> I have a K3 connected to an XV144 in the preferred configuration shown in the manual with the AUX port used for band switching. Occasionally I find that with the XV144 powered down the K3 hangs complaining that the KPA500 needs to be turned on. I can cure this by powering on the XV144 or by disconnecting the Aux lead from the XV144. Is this a fault on one of my component's (K3, cable or XV144), a bug or a feature. Any idea where I should start to debug? Thanks Stewart/G3YSX From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 10:13:37 2016 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 07:13:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] "Turn on the KPA500" Error In-Reply-To: <213ba2c3-5060-0567-519d-3d7d91dbfee6@g3ysx.org.uk> References: <213ba2c3-5060-0567-519d-3d7d91dbfee6@g3ysx.org.uk> Message-ID: <7e05c719-a0c3-1d75-d057-a37527f7bd44@gmail.com> Stewart, The message really means, "Something of sufficiently low impedance to common is attached to the auxbus, holding the auxbus line at a logical low. Turn on the device if it is off -- this is the most common cause of the problem -- or disconnect the device from the auxbus." The symptom first showed up consistently during KPA500 development, so the error message suggests turning on the KPA500. In your case, I'd say, "Keep calm and carry on." 73, Lyle KK7P > I have a K3 connected to an XV144 in the preferred configuration shown > in the manual with the AUX port used for band switching. > > Occasionally I find that with the XV144 powered down the K3 hangs > complaining that the KPA500 needs to be turned on. I can cure this by > powering on the XV144 or by disconnecting the Aux lead from the XV144. > > Is this a fault on one of my component's (K3, cable or XV144), a bug > or a feature. > > Any idea where I should start to debug? > > Thanks > > Stewart/G3YSX From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 19 10:15:50 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 10:15:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] "Turn on the KPA500" Error In-Reply-To: <213ba2c3-5060-0567-519d-3d7d91dbfee6@g3ysx.org.uk> References: <213ba2c3-5060-0567-519d-3d7d91dbfee6@g3ysx.org.uk> Message-ID: <4743473d-9ffe-097c-1d28-083e474c2882@embarqmail.com> Stewart, It sounds like you have the XV144 JP7 jumpered and not JP8 - otherwise you would not be able to power the XV144 on/off with the front panel switch. With the jumper on JP8 and none on JP7, the XV144 will power itself on when you select the 144MHz band (actually the K3 TRN address that matches the address set into the the XV144 DIP switches). In order for this selection to happen, you must have 12 volts at the power jack of the XV144 whenever the K3 is powered on. If you are turning the XV144 off at its power supply, then I suspect it will load the K3 AUX signal and cause "strange behavior" in the K3. The solution is to leave power on the XV144 - no debugging necessary. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/19/2016 9:46 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > I have a K3 connected to an XV144 in the preferred configuration shown > in the manual with the AUX port used for band switching. > > Occasionally I find that with the XV144 powered down the K3 hangs > complaining that the KPA500 needs to be turned on. I can cure this by > powering on the XV144 or by disconnecting the Aux lead from the XV144. > > Is this a fault on one of my component's (K3, cable or XV144), a bug > or a feature. > From jackbrindle at me.com Fri Aug 19 10:53:49 2016 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 07:53:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] "Turn on the KPA500" Error In-Reply-To: <4743473d-9ffe-097c-1d28-083e474c2882@embarqmail.com> References: <213ba2c3-5060-0567-519d-3d7d91dbfee6@g3ysx.org.uk> <4743473d-9ffe-097c-1d28-083e474c2882@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <0FD8C075-ECB0-4739-9D8A-AA24060E4457@me.com> For the record, the error message refers to the KAT500, not the KPA500. The issue is caused by a device pulling down the Auxbus because it is powered off. You may see it with just about any device that uses this communication bus, except the KPA500. Quite simply, the KPA can talk on the bus, but not listen. Thus, it avoids the issue. Jack, W6FB Sent from my iPad > On Aug 19, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Stewart, > > It sounds like you have the XV144 JP7 jumpered and not JP8 - otherwise you would not be able to power the XV144 on/off with the front panel switch. > With the jumper on JP8 and none on JP7, the XV144 will power itself on when you select the 144MHz band (actually the K3 TRN address that matches the address set into the the XV144 DIP switches). > > In order for this selection to happen, you must have 12 volts at the power jack of the XV144 whenever the K3 is powered on. > > If you are turning the XV144 off at its power supply, then I suspect it will load the K3 AUX signal and cause "strange behavior" in the K3. > > The solution is to leave power on the XV144 - no debugging necessary. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 8/19/2016 9:46 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: >> I have a K3 connected to an XV144 in the preferred configuration shown in the manual with the AUX port used for band switching. >> >> Occasionally I find that with the XV144 powered down the K3 hangs complaining that the KPA500 needs to be turned on. I can cure this by powering on the XV144 or by disconnecting the Aux lead from the XV144. >> >> Is this a fault on one of my component's (K3, cable or XV144), a bug or a feature. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From lenecee at ca.rr.com Fri Aug 19 12:02:50 2016 From: lenecee at ca.rr.com (Len Chesler home email) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 09:02:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXV3A WANTED Message-ID: <13159425-CA57-45C6-835D-5FB18D536B04@ca.rr.com> I am in need of a KXV3A I.F. out board for K3. If you have one to sell, I am interested in purchasing from you. You can reach me at K6LEN at ARRLnet or 310-261-6696. Tnx From wa9mag at ameritech.net Fri Aug 19 17:34:55 2016 From: wa9mag at ameritech.net (Larry P. Greenberg) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 16:34:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 and MMTTY Message-ID: I recently upgraded my K3 with the new K103B that provides a USB connection, eliminates the need for an external PC soundcard and retains all of the original RS232 functionality. I have an Edgeport USB to RS232 four port box providing RS232 connectivity to the K3, the amplifier, and rotator control. It seems to be working as DX4Win controls the radio, the rotator, and sends CW. I cannot get MMTTY to send RTTY or even execute the PTT function. It seems like I have not set-up MMTTY correctly. I am looking for someone who may be familiar with the new K3 Interface boards (K3s functionality) and MMTTY. My error message is Cannot Open COM3 (COM port used to control the K3 and send CW which works fine. I cannot select additional soundcards such as CODEC from the soundcard menu under set-up. Larry, WA9MAG From w2kj at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 20 11:20:40 2016 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:20:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. Elecraft T1 auto tuner Message-ID: <33457731-8B34-4834-80F8-D8F91EA7B771@bellsouth.net> Howdy Gang: My QRP rigs now all have internal tuners so my T1 auto tuner is excess to my needs. The tuner is in excellent physical and operating condition and comes with the manual. Will ship for $125...sorry, no overseas shipping. 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I am From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Aug 20 11:47:59 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 15:47:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Page Down? Message-ID: Bummer! Set out to program the KPod this morning. Can?t update the Utility ? Elecraft web site down. Is it local to CO or are they having a problem in CA? Ted. KN1CBR From mike.flowers at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 11:51:50 2016 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 08:51:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Page Down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11f001d1fafa$c43a0600$4cae1200$@gmail.com> Also in CA: "www.elecraft.com refused to connect." - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, > Edward > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:48 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Page Down? > > Bummer! Set out to program the KPod this morning. Can?t update the Utility ? > Elecraft web site down. Is it local to CO or are they having a problem in CA? > > Ted. KN1CBR > _____________________________________________________________ > _ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 11:54:54 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 09:54:54 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] No response in Montana .... Message-ID: K0PP From ab2tc at arrl.net Sat Aug 20 12:04:18 2016 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 09:04:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Page Down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1471709058613-7621683.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, Is this another Verizon FIOS problem? The ftp site works fine: ftp://www.elecraft.com/ AB2TC - Knut Edward A. Dauer wrote > Bummer! Set out to program the KPod this morning. Can?t update the > Utility ? Elecraft web site down. Is it local to CO or are they having a > problem in CA? > > Ted. KN1CBR > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Page-Down-tp7621680p7621683.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w0eb at cox.net Sat Aug 20 12:15:31 2016 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:15:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Page Down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D54F9C5-3D2D-4878-956B-F41F159367DD@cox.net> Using Cox Communications here in KS and get an instant "Cannot connect, server not responding". So it's not just you. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 20, 2016, at 11:04 AM, ab2tc wrote: > > Hi all, > > Is this another Verizon FIOS problem? The ftp site works fine: > > ftp://www.elecraft.com/ > > AB2TC - Knut > > > Edward A. Dauer wrote >> Bummer! Set out to program the KPod this morning. Can?t update the >> Utility ? Elecraft web site down. Is it local to CO or are they having a >> problem in CA? >> >> Ted. KN1CBR >> > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Page-Down-tp7621680p7621683.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net From ab2tc at arrl.net Sat Aug 20 12:30:29 2016 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 09:30:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Page Down? In-Reply-To: <0D54F9C5-3D2D-4878-956B-F41F159367DD@cox.net> References: <0D54F9C5-3D2D-4878-956B-F41F159367DD@cox.net> Message-ID: <1471710629259-7621685.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi again, So it seems to be much more widespread this time then. I also get that instant message which shows that the site is reached but will not respond to HTTP. This is similar but not identical symptoms when we had the last outage that was limited to FIOS subscribers only. AB2TC - Knut Jim Sheldon wrote > Using Cox Communications here in KS and get an instant "Cannot connect, > server not responding". So it's not just you. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 20, 2016, at 11:04 AM, ab2tc < > ab2tc@ > > wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Is this another Verizon FIOS problem? The ftp site works fine: >> >> ftp://www.elecraft.com/ >> >> AB2TC - Knut >> >> >> Edward A. Dauer wrote >>> Bummer! Set out to program the KPod this morning. Can?t update the >>> Utility ? Elecraft web site down. Is it local to CO or are they having >>> a >>> problem in CA? >>> >>> Ted. KN1CBR > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Page-Down-tp7621680p7621685.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From michaelwong at mac.com Sat Aug 20 13:43:21 2016 From: michaelwong at mac.com (Michael Wong) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 10:43:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Page Down? In-Reply-To: <1471710629259-7621685.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <0D54F9C5-3D2D-4878-956B-F41F159367DD@cox.net> <1471710629259-7621685.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <32BCF87A-56D2-4A51-96DF-82476C8500BA@mac.com> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com reports is down for everyone. > On Aug 20, 2016, at 9:30 AM, ab2tc wrote: > > Hi again, > > So it seems to be much more widespread this time then. I also get that > instant message which shows that the site is reached but will not respond to > HTTP. This is similar but not identical symptoms when we had the last outage > that was limited to FIOS subscribers only. > > AB2TC - Knut > > > Jim Sheldon wrote >> Using Cox Communications here in KS and get an instant "Cannot connect, >> server not responding". So it's not just you. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Aug 20, 2016, at 11:04 AM, ab2tc < > >> ab2tc@ > >> > wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Is this another Verizon FIOS problem? The ftp site works fine: >>> >>> ftp://www.elecraft.com/ >>> >>> AB2TC - Knut >>> >>> >>> Edward A. Dauer wrote >>>> Bummer! Set out to program the KPod this morning. Can?t update the >>>> Utility ? Elecraft web site down. Is it local to CO or are they having >>>> a >>>> problem in CA? >>>> >>>> Ted. KN1CBR >> > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Page-Down-tp7621680p7621685.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Aug 20 14:24:02 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 14:24:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Page Down? In-Reply-To: <32BCF87A-56D2-4A51-96DF-82476C8500BA@mac.com> References: , <1471710629259-7621685.post@n2.nabble.com>, <32BCF87A-56D2-4A51-96DF-82476C8500BA@mac.com> Message-ID: <57B8A042.6264.2EB2ED3E@Gary.ka1j.com> Down in Connecticut, not using a Big Box ISP... Gary KA1J > http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com > > reports is down for everyone. > > > On Aug 20, 2016, at 9:30 AM, ab2tc wrote: > > > > Hi again, > > > > So it seems to be much more widespread this time then. I also get that > > instant message which shows that the site is reached but will not respond to > > HTTP. This is similar but not identical symptoms when we had the last outage > > that was limited to FIOS subscribers only. > > > > AB2TC - Knut > > > > > > Jim Sheldon wrote > >> Using Cox Communications here in KS and get an instant "Cannot connect, > >> server not responding". So it's not just you. > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >>> On Aug 20, 2016, at 11:04 AM, ab2tc < > > > >> ab2tc@ > > > >> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> Is this another Verizon FIOS problem? The ftp site works fine: > >>> > >>> ftp://www.elecraft.com/ > >>> > >>> AB2TC - Knut > >>> > >>> > >>> Edward A. Dauer wrote > >>>> Bummer! Set out to program the KPod this morning. Can?t update the > >>>> Utility - Elecraft web site down. Is it local to CO or are they having > >>>> a > >>>> problem in CA? > >>>> > >>>> Ted. KN1CBR > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Page-Down-tp7621680p7621685.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com From knowkode at verizon.net Sat Aug 20 15:58:50 2016 From: knowkode at verizon.net (knowkode at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 15:58:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] partial K line es Microkeyer integration Message-ID: <156a988cd9e-f00-2115@webprd-m28.mail.aol.com> I'm sure this has been asked and answered many times but I could not find search results specific to my plans. Question is, do I need a pair of Y cables to add my microKeyer II to my K3 and KPA500? The K3 and KPA500 are connected to each other with a KPAK3AUX cable. The radio and amp are connected to the computer with KUSB cables. Plans are to demo Win4K3 for rig control and panadapter display for an SDRplay. Tnx, Jim W5QM From lists at subich.com Sat Aug 20 16:17:57 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 16:17:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] partial K line es Microkeyer integration In-Reply-To: <156a988cd9e-f00-2115@webprd-m28.mail.aol.com> References: <156a988cd9e-f00-2115@webprd-m28.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <89d1d898-df02-6920-1445-f6c7ee7b83fc@subich.com> On 8/20/2016 3:58 PM, knowkode at verizon.net wrote: > I'm sure this has been asked and answered many times but I could not > find search results specific to my plans. Yes, this has been answered many times. You will need the Elecraft 15 pin "Y" cable for the ACC jack (in order to connect FSK). In addition, you should *not* use the KUSB. Instead, connect and configure the K3S/P3 for *RS232* as documented in the K3S Owners Manual (page 19) and connect the RS-232 plug from the MK II to the P3 "PC" jack. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/20/2016 3:58 PM, knowkode at verizon.net wrote: > I'm sure this has been asked and answered many times but I could not > find search results specific to my plans. Question is, do I need a > pair of Y cables to add my microKeyer II to my K3 and KPA500? The K3 > and KPA500 are connected to each other with a KPAK3AUX cable. The > radio and amp are connected to the computer with KUSB cables. Plans > are to demo Win4K3 for rig control and panadapter display for an > SDRplay. > > Tnx, Jim W5QM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > lists at subich.com > From mail at cvkimball.com Sat Aug 20 16:27:31 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 13:27:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared In-Reply-To: <1446a5ac-f4d2-452b-f8b8-238f9f5bd576@embarqmail.com> References: <935525EF-8B53-4E70-9943-5C32DE2DED8E@widomaker.com> <1469649194181-7620783.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469899829872-7620901.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469964027850-7620930.post@n2.nabble.com> <1470944102131-7621536.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471002666340-7621567.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471005168515-7621568.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471293905819-7621627.post@n2.nabble.com> <1446a5ac-f4d2-452b-f8b8-238f9f5bd576@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1471724851637-7621690.post@n2.nabble.com> Twelve minutes after the announcement by UPS that: 08/15/2016 4:25 P.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS I received a cancellation from UPS: 08/15/2016 4:37 P.M. Voided Information Received I asked Elecraft on 16 Aug what happened and have not had a reply. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7621690.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at vistasierra.com Sat Aug 20 16:28:01 2016 From: jim at vistasierra.com (Jim Stockwell) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 13:28:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale K3 x 2, P3 and More Message-ID: <000f01d1fb21$599059e0$0cb10da0$@vistasierra.com> Just upgraded to a new K3S and new P3. Selling my remaining Elecraft equipment. All working perfect with no scratches from a non-smoking home. PayPal Preferred (no fee), UPSP Money Order, Cashier or Personal Check OK Subject to Bank Hold period. All include CONUS Shipping. Please contact me via w6kc at arrl.net Thanks! Jim, W6KC K3-100 (Serial #7531) - $2,200 KAT3 K3 ATU KRX3 K3 2nd Receiver KDVR3 K3 Digital voice module KXV3A K3 TX ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Interface KFL3A-2.7K 2.7 kHz, 5-pole standard filters in both Receivers KPCA-F Power Cable Original Cost $3,500+ K3/100 (Serial #3232) - $1,500 KXV3A K3 TX ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Interface KFL3A-400 400 Hz, 8-pole filter KFL3A-2.7K 2.7 kHz, 5-pole standard filter K3DSPUPGD K3 DSP Upgrade KPCA-F Power Cable Original Cost $2,700+ P3 Panadapter (Serial #1407) - $575 Includes all K3 Interface Cables P3SVGA P3 Video Adapter / FFT Processor add-in for the P3 - $185 Removed from a 5 month old P3 KFL3A-1.8K 1.8 kHz, 8-pole Filter - $95 From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Aug 20 16:35:34 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 13:35:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared In-Reply-To: <1471724851637-7621690.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <935525EF-8B53-4E70-9943-5C32DE2DED8E@widomaker.com> <1469649194181-7620783.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469899829872-7620901.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469964027850-7620930.post@n2.nabble.com> <1470944102131-7621536.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471002666340-7621567.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471005168515-7621568.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471293905819-7621627.post@n2.nabble.com> <1446a5ac-f4d2-452b-f8b8-238f9f5bd576@embarqmail.com> <1471724851637-7621690.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <57B8BF16.3060809@socal.rr.com> So that means your power over Elecraft and UPS has disappeared? Phil W7OX On 8/20/16 13:27 , Chris Kimball wrote: > Twelve minutes after the announcement by UPS that: > > 08/15/2016 4:25 P.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS > > I received a cancellation from UPS: > > 08/15/2016 4:37 P.M. Voided Information Received > > I asked Elecraft on 16 Aug what happened and have not had a reply. > > > From alan at wilcoxengineering.com Sat Aug 20 18:07:20 2016 From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 18:07:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Tuneup, Rescue, Build your K2, K1, KX1, others Message-ID: Hello, Have you always wanted an Elecraft? A KX1, K1, K2, K3, whatever? Does your K2 need a tuneup? I build and service them all! See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768 Photos of the popular "Twins" -- the KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 enclosure -- are at http://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/ In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you might have started some time ago. Cheers, Alan Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40) 570-478-0736 (cell, text) http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox Williamsport, PA 17701 From lists at subich.com Sat Aug 20 18:29:35 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 18:29:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] partial K line es Microkeyer integration In-Reply-To: References: <156a988cd9e-f00-2115@webprd-m28.mail.aol.com> <89d1d898-df02-6920-1445-f6c7ee7b83fc@subich.com> Message-ID: <0e60d88b-d0d2-3cb3-88b7-0e9a2b89b86f@subich.com> > I did find search answers for integrating the full K line but I do > nothave a P3, only a K3 and KPA500. If you do not have a P3, connect the RS-232 plug from the MK II to the Elecraft (E980297) RJ45 to DE9 cable as indicated in the figure at the bottom of page 19 in the K3 Owner's Manual: "If not using a P3, connect the DE9 end of this cable to a computer's RS-232 port (use an additional cable if required)." You will still need to configure the K3 for RS-232 control instead of USB. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/20/2016 4:36 PM, Jim Hoge wrote: > Joe, > > Thanks for the quick response. I did find search answers for integrating the full K line but I do not have a P3, only a K3 and KPA500. That's why I asked if 2 y cables were necessary. It got a little confusing when the Win4K3 info said to hook up both the amp and the radio with separate cables. > > Tnx agn, > Jim > W5QM > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 20, 2016, at 15:17, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: >> >> >> On 8/20/2016 3:58 PM, knowkode at verizon.net wrote: >>> I'm sure this has been asked and answered many times but I could not >>> find search results specific to my plans. >> >> Yes, this has been answered many times. >> >> You will need the Elecraft 15 pin "Y" cable for the ACC jack (in order >> to connect FSK). In addition, you should *not* use the KUSB. Instead, >> connect and configure the K3S/P3 for *RS232* as documented in the K3S >> Owners Manual (page 19) and connect the RS-232 plug from the MK II to >> the P3 "PC" jack. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >>> On 8/20/2016 3:58 PM, knowkode at verizon.net wrote: >>> I'm sure this has been asked and answered many times but I could not >>> find search results specific to my plans. Question is, do I need a >>> pair of Y cables to add my microKeyer II to my K3 and KPA500? The K3 >>> and KPA500 are connected to each other with a KPAK3AUX cable. The >>> radio and amp are connected to the computer with KUSB cables. Plans >>> are to demo Win4K3 for rig control and panadapter display for an >>> SDRplay. >>> >>> Tnx, Jim W5QM >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list Home: >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: >>> mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> lists at subich.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to knowkode at verizon.net > From jh3sif at sumaq.jp Sat Aug 20 18:49:50 2016 From: jh3sif at sumaq.jp (Keith Onishi) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 07:49:50 +0900 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Page Down? In-Reply-To: <57B8A042.6264.2EB2ED3E@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <1471710629259-7621685.post@n2.nabble.com> <32BCF87A-56D2-4A51-96DF-82476C8500BA@mac.com> <57B8A042.6264.2EB2ED3E@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: Elecraft web site is accessible now. 73 de JH3SIF, Keith > 2016/08/21 3:24?Gary Smith ????? > > Down in Connecticut, not using a Big Box ISP... > > Gary > KA1J > >> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com >> >> reports is down for everyone. >> >>> On Aug 20, 2016, at 9:30 AM, ab2tc wrote: >>> >>> Hi again, >>> >>> So it seems to be much more widespread this time then. I also get that >>> instant message which shows that the site is reached but will not respond to >>> HTTP. This is similar but not identical symptoms when we had the last outage >>> that was limited to FIOS subscribers only. >>> >>> AB2TC - Knut >>> >>> >>> Jim Sheldon wrote >>>> Using Cox Communications here in KS and get an instant "Cannot connect, >>>> server not responding". So it's not just you. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Aug 20, 2016, at 11:04 AM, ab2tc < >>> >>>> ab2tc@ >>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Is this another Verizon FIOS problem? The ftp site works fine: >>>>> >>>>> ftp://www.elecraft.com/ >>>>> >>>>> AB2TC - Knut >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Edward A. Dauer wrote >>>>>> Bummer! Set out to program the KPod this morning. Can?t update the >>>>>> Utility - Elecraft web site down. Is it local to CO or are they having >>>>>> a >>>>>> problem in CA? >>>>>> >>>>>> Ted. KN1CBR >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Page-Down-tp7621680p7621685.html >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jh3sif at sumaq.jp From kevinr at coho.net Sat Aug 20 19:53:08 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 16:53:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Message-ID: Good Evening, Propagation has been unhelpful this week. The solar flux index is trending in the mid to low 80s which augurs poorly for tomorrow's nets. However, you can just never tell about propagation until you try it. Last week I was hoping for warmer weather. Well, it is warmer by thirty degrees. Be careful what you wish for :) With the high temperatures has come low humidity and very high fire danger. Luckily the heat keeps people from starting fires. Now to guard against errant cigarette butts by the side of the road. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From lists at subich.com Sat Aug 20 20:00:37 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:00:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] partial K line es Microkeyer integration In-Reply-To: <4AEBA541-0FE9-427B-9A95-A14FABE943A5@verizon.net> References: <156a988cd9e-f00-2115@webprd-m28.mail.aol.com> <89d1d898-df02-6920-1445-f6c7ee7b83fc@subich.com> <0e60d88b-d0d2-3cb3-88b7-0e9a2b89b86f@subich.com> <4AEBA541-0FE9-427B-9A95-A14FABE943A5@verizon.net> Message-ID: > I have a K3, not a K3S With a K3, and no P3 you will need the Elecraft "Y" cable for the ACC jack (to connect FSK). Connect the RS-232 lead from the microHAM Interface to the K3's RS-232 jack and get rid of the KUSB. I suspect the model confusion was mine ... I'm used to the K3S causing confusion due to the "Y" cable used with the P3 and the internal (infernal) USB support . 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/20/2016 7:40 PM, Jim Hoge wrote: > Joe, > > I appreciate the time you so freely give in support of both Elecraft and microHAM. That said, I have remained confused by your answers until I was able to access the Elecraft website again. I had double checked my owners manual and then the most recent version online. No diagram. Then, I checked the K3S manual and bingo, therein lies the confusion. I have a K3, not a K3S. I apologize if I caused the model confusion. > > Tnx agn es 73, > Jim > W5QM > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 20, 2016, at 17:29, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: >> >> >>> I did find search answers for integrating the full K line but I do >>> nothave a P3, only a K3 and KPA500. >> >> If you do not have a P3, connect the RS-232 plug from the MK II to >> the Elecraft (E980297) RJ45 to DE9 cable as indicated in the figure >> at the bottom of page 19 in the K3 Owner's Manual: >> "If not using a P3, connect the DE9 end of this cable to a >> computer's RS-232 port (use an additional cable if required)." >> >> You will still need to configure the K3 for RS-232 control instead >> of USB. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >>> On 8/20/2016 4:36 PM, Jim Hoge wrote: >>> Joe, >>> >>> Thanks for the quick response. I did find search answers for integrating the full K line but I do not have a P3, only a K3 and KPA500. That's why I asked if 2 y cables were necessary. It got a little confusing when the Win4K3 info said to hook up both the amp and the radio with separate cables. >>> >>> Tnx agn, >>> Jim >>> W5QM >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 20, 2016, at 15:17, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 8/20/2016 3:58 PM, knowkode at verizon.net wrote: >>>>> I'm sure this has been asked and answered many times but I could not >>>>> find search results specific to my plans. >>>> >>>> Yes, this has been answered many times. >>>> >>>> You will need the Elecraft 15 pin "Y" cable for the ACC jack (in order >>>> to connect FSK). In addition, you should *not* use the KUSB. Instead, >>>> connect and configure the K3S/P3 for *RS232* as documented in the K3S >>>> Owners Manual (page 19) and connect the RS-232 plug from the MK II to >>>> the P3 "PC" jack. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> ... Joe, W4TV >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 8/20/2016 3:58 PM, knowkode at verizon.net wrote: >>>>> I'm sure this has been asked and answered many times but I could not >>>>> find search results specific to my plans. Question is, do I need a >>>>> pair of Y cables to add my microKeyer II to my K3 and KPA500? The K3 >>>>> and KPA500 are connected to each other with a KPAK3AUX cable. The >>>>> radio and amp are connected to the computer with KUSB cables. Plans >>>>> are to demo Win4K3 for rig control and panadapter display for an >>>>> SDRplay. >>>>> >>>>> Tnx, Jim W5QM >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list Home: >>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: >>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: >>>>> mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>>>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>>> lists at subich.com >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to knowkode at verizon.net >>> > From ingerassociates at cox.net Sat Aug 20 20:10:30 2016 From: ingerassociates at cox.net (David Inger) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 17:10:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: 73CNC Deluxe Tuning Knob Set for the K3/K3s Message-ID: <4EA88DC44AC34997A12B04FBF8BC9FFE@DELLXPS> I have for sale the 73CNC "Deluxe" set of VFO A and B knobs. These are the ones that have the ball bearing finger dimple in the main VFO knob. These knobs are the version with the aluminum inserts. They are in excellent condition, quite beautiful and a joy to spin. I don't know if 73CNC is still making these knobs since their website indicates they are not currently available. The listed price for the set is $170 plus shipping. Buy mine for $130 including shipping to any US ZIP code. 73 de K6SBA David in Santa Barbara, CA From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Aug 20 20:20:24 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 00:20:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Still Stymied Message-ID: So now the site is back up; but the new Utility isn?t available for Mac ? and without it, as I understand it, only half of the 16 potential Kpod macros can be written and stored. Am I reading the site correctly? Did I miss something? Having the full Kpod suite available requires the June 2016 utility; the last one for Mac, which I have, is from 2015. Ted, KN1CBR From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Aug 21 02:07:47 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 02:07:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Beep Beep Message-ID: <57B94533.12094.31373249@Gary.ka1j.com> I just got my K3s back from Elecraft and they have entered the current factory configuration, telling me not to reuse the one it had, and to reset the settings to my preference. That's fine with me, whatever they suggest is what I'll do, but I did get an unexpected feature I'd like to remove; How do you remove the beep every time you touch a button? I've searched for beep, notification, sound & more but no ceegar. 73, Gary KA1J From k6mr at outlook.com Sun Aug 21 02:15:08 2016 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 23:15:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Beep Beep Message-ID: Config Menu -> SW TONE -> OFF Ken K6MR From: Gary Smith Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 23:08 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Beep Beep I just got my K3s back from Elecraft and they have entered the current factory configuration, telling me not to reuse the one it had, and to reset the settings to my preference. That's fine with me, whatever they suggest is what I'll do, but I did get an unexpected feature I'd like to remove; How do you remove the beep every time you touch a button? I've searched for beep, notification, sound & more but no ceegar. 73, Gary KA1J ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From w2lj at verizon.net Sun Aug 21 09:28:03 2016 From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry W2LJ) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 09:28:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skeeters are flying today! Message-ID: <4043c73c8f7a824bbeccf1b7e1a17427@192.168.1.8> The Skeeters are flying today! Thanks to all who signed up - I hope you have great weather wherever you are, and a real fun time today. The Skeeter roster can be found at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KJWpvDDBZibCMqna_qGXF3Ayg8KdEw5f1N8K6ByGMe4/edit#gid=880964485 This year's rules (if you want a last minute review) can be found at www.qsl.net/w2lj Your log summaries and photos and soapbox comments are due by two weeks from Midnight, tonight. Please mail them to w2lj at arrl.net And I know I don't have to tell any of you this, as QRPers and portable ops specialists are the most level headed Amateur Radio ops out there ....... B UT This is meant to be a fun event! Don't take any unneccessary risks or chances that could put you or anyone else in harm's way. Should the weather turns iffy, please always opt in favor of safety and caution. Family and friends ALWAYS come first - Amateur Radio should be way, way down that list of priorities. The wise Skeeter is the one who always knows there will be other days to fly! 72 de Larry W2LJ NJQRP Skeeter Hunt Manager - Skeeter # 13 From w4sc at windstream.net Sun Aug 21 10:03:37 2016 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 10:03:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KFL3A-2.8K For sale or Trade. Message-ID: Sell or trade KFL3A-2.8K. Trade for KFL3B-FM; or sell $100. Please contact off list. 73 de Ben W4SC. From michaelwong at mac.com Sun Aug 21 12:37:23 2016 From: michaelwong at mac.com (Michael A. Wong) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 09:37:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Still Stymied In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44A78E9D-9A84-4FE2-885B-584ECF189C50@mac.com> The K3 utility for Mac seems to be there. http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 20, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > So now the site is back up; but the new Utility isn?t available for Mac ? and without it, as I understand it, only half of the 16 potential Kpod macros can be written and stored. Am I reading the site correctly? Did I miss something? Having the full Kpod suite available requires the June 2016 utility; the last one for Mac, which I have, is from 2015. > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com From dan.boardman at shreditfast.com Sun Aug 21 13:03:00 2016 From: dan.boardman at shreditfast.com (Dan Boardman) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 17:03:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: ELECRAFT T1 ATU - Factory Built In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12B13D2C29AFFE44B60C83DC6B79921F66F73485@MBX023-W1-CA-4.exch023.domain.local> I have a Elecraft T1 (factory built) for sale - I used it ounce, Non smoking user. Sell for $125 shipped in the US - Paypal OK - ADD 3% for fees. First responder that tells me they will take it will be the lucky new owner! Thanks much Dan - NB1C From enzoisis at sympatico.ca Sun Aug 21 13:40:34 2016 From: enzoisis at sympatico.ca (Enzo Greco) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 13:40:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking to buy.. Message-ID: <000b01d1fbd3$1f142460$5d3c6d20$@ca> Looking to buy a Elecraft kx1 k-1 k-2 let me know options and price shipped. Thanks... 73 de ve3vtg Enzo From rthorne at rthorne.net Sun Aug 21 14:14:57 2016 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 13:14:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RM-11708: CW and RTTY users please read Message-ID: <36140384-b11f-abd4-4ce4-367c5c5a0c6e@rthorne.net> To all CW/RTTY users... RM-11708, as currently written/proposed, will have a detrimental and negative impact on the cw/rtty sub-bands. Ted, N9NB, is very well versed on the subject. Please check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Rappaport for Ted's back ground. He is a very active amateur, I worked him in the NAQP last night. I'm including the body of a recent email that Ted wrote. I strongly urge each of you to research the subject matter and contact your ARRL representatives soon. In addition it would be helpful to make a comment on RM-11708 as described below.... Rich - N5ZC **** Dear Colleagues: If you believe, as I do, that RM 11708 is dangerous for the hobby, both in the US, I ask that you PLEASE take action by filling public comments regarding the FCC's recent RM 11708 ruling, and please forward this to every CW and RTTY enthusiast you know in ham radio, on every reflector, in every CW and RTTY club, both in the US and elsewhere. If you do not agree with me, or don't care, then feel free to delete and stop reading. I am fearful and quite certain that RM 11708, which the FCC is now seeking public comment on as a prelude to enact its ruling, will terribly erode CW and RTTY on the HF bands. The ruling will allow PACTOR 4 and multi-tone modems on any frequency within the CW/RTTY frequencies on HF. This is worse than allowing SSB to operate throughout the CW/data sub bands, somethng the FCC has never allowed. The FCC is proposing an unlimited bandwidth for data signals (the ARRL asked for 2.8 kHz, the bandwidth of SSB, which was still bad -- the FCC proposal is even worse). I would urge all of you write in to object to RM 11708 and to ask that the FCC place a 500 Hz bandwidth limit all data transmission bandwidths of Pactor, multi tone data modems, and other experimental data modes on all HF bands within the lowest 75 or 100 kHz region. Otherwise, these monster QRMers of unlimited bandwidth will be allowed to operate anywhere, and they will lawfully fire up on your CW or RTTY qso when you are least expecting it. See below how the proponents of RM 11708, including my friend Tom Whiteside, are launching an aggressive campaign for "pro" comments to be filed at the FCC to allow Pactor 4 and other wideband multi-tone modems to operate anywhere in the CW/RTTY spectrum, without a segregation of the band the way Japan does (The public filing period ends in a couple of weeks, so we must write now to offer opposition). The need for WinLink/Pactor data emergency communication on HF is being used as one of the arguments for expanding the data bandwidth. I would urge CW and RTTY enthusiasts to review the arguments for and against RM 11708, and move quickly to write about your opposition to the newly proposed regulation just released by the FCC (It can be viewed here: http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2016/db0728/FCC-16-96A1.pdf Please see Tom's email below on how to file a comment, but I would urge you to read the FCC proposal and file comments against their proposed rulemaking. You can see the ballet box is again be flooded for the expanded data privileges. This will come at a cost to CW and RTTY . See these comments already filed: https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/search/filings?sort=date_disseminated,DESC&proceedings_name=RM-11708 Unfortunately, in the FCC proposed ruling issued over a week ago, the Commission appears to have ignored ALL comments made by hams after the initial 30 day comment period back in late 2013. During that one month period, there was a 95% "pro" letter writing campaign by over 800 people -- It was only after the CW and RTTY enthusiasts woke up in March of 2014 that public comments became overwhelmingly negative against RM 11708. Unfortunately, the FCC has apparently ignored all of those comments, so new comments need to be filed on the FCC;s recent ruling. If you care about CW and RTTY, please file comments against the ruling, to preserve some sanctuary for narrowband data (having less than 500 Hz bandwidth), the way the largest ham country (Japan) has done to ensure no QRM to CW and RTTY enthusiasts. Thanks for considering. Best 73 ted n9nb *** From mail at cvkimball.com Sun Aug 21 14:57:41 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 11:57:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power has disappeared *** OOPs! *** In-Reply-To: <1471724851637-7621690.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1469649194181-7620783.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469899829872-7620901.post@n2.nabble.com> <1469964027850-7620930.post@n2.nabble.com> <1470944102131-7621536.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471002666340-7621567.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471005168515-7621568.post@n2.nabble.com> <1471293905819-7621627.post@n2.nabble.com> <1446a5ac-f4d2-452b-f8b8-238f9f5bd576@embarqmail.com> <1471724851637-7621690.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1471805861132-7621702.post@n2.nabble.com> I just received a note from UPS that a package from Elecraft will arrive tomorrow, presumably, the K3S. On closer checking UPS sent two ship notifications to me on 15 Aug. I thought they were duplicates, but they had different numbers, Only one of them was cancelled, however. The uncancelled one will arrive tomorrow. OOPS! -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-has-disappeared-tp7620735p7621702.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Aug 21 16:05:23 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 20:05:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Still Stymied In-Reply-To: <44A78E9D-9A84-4FE2-885B-584ECF189C50@mac.com> References: <44A78E9D-9A84-4FE2-885B-584ECF189C50@mac.com> Message-ID: <72822542-EE4A-4B37-9CBB-C161E92CB490@law.du.edu> Right page, but the Mac OS version is dated July of 2015, rev. 1.15.6.27. The Windows version is dated June of 2016, rev. 1.16.6.25. I have a Mac. The Kpod Manual at page 7 says: ?Be sure you have K3 Utility Program rev. 1.16.3.11 or later installed on your personal computer (older versions will not allow you to store macros 9-16).? Hence the revision available for Mac won?t do it. Am I missing something? Ted, KN1CBR From: "Michael A. Wong" Date: Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 10:37 AM To: "Edward A. Dauer" Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Still Stymied The K3 utility for Mac seems to be there. http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Dauer, Edward > wrote: So now the site is back up; but the new Utility isn?t available for Mac ? and without it, as I understand it, only half of the 16 potential Kpod macros can be written and stored. Am I reading the site correctly? Did I miss something? Having the full Kpod suite available requires the June 2016 utility; the last one for Mac, which I have, is from 2015. Ted, KN1CBR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com From dan.boardman at shreditfast.com Sun Aug 21 16:14:56 2016 From: dan.boardman at shreditfast.com (Dan Boardman) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 20:14:56 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: ELECRAFT T1 ATU - Factory Built In-Reply-To: <12B13D2C29AFFE44B60C83DC6B79921F66F73485@MBX023-W1-CA-4.exch023.domain.local> References: <12B13D2C29AFFE44B60C83DC6B79921F66F73485@MBX023-W1-CA-4.exch023.domain.local> Message-ID: <12B13D2C29AFFE44B60C83DC6B79921F66F73577@MBX023-W1-CA-4.exch023.domain.local> The Elecraft has been sold - thanks to all who have replied! Dan - NB1C -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dan Boardman Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 1:03 PM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: ELECRAFT T1 ATU - Factory Built I have a Elecraft T1 (factory built) for sale - I used it ounce, Non smoking user. Sell for $125 shipped in the US - Paypal OK - ADD 3% for fees. First responder that tells me they will take it will be the lucky new owner! Thanks much Dan - NB1C ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dan.boardman at shreditfast.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Aug 21 17:06:49 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 17:06:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 recent jt65/jt9 setup Message-ID: <9114BCBB-C11B-412C-9B43-D61905D8DD9E@widomaker.com> Recently someone posted CONFIG info for this. I can't locate it now that I need it. Ca mm someone please point me to this information for my K3 and/or K3S? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Aug 21 17:12:17 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 14:12:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RM-11708: CW and RTTY users please read In-Reply-To: <36140384-b11f-abd4-4ce4-367c5c5a0c6e@rthorne.net> References: <36140384-b11f-abd4-4ce4-367c5c5a0c6e@rthorne.net> Message-ID: <816cebec-0d19-2a7f-8eea-e30eeac168a4@foothill.net> [I left Rich's complete email on this reply to make reference easier] Ted's warning [that wideband emissions can now occur in the RTTY/Data sub-bands] is real, and quite obviously, the effects are world-wide, not just in the US. NPRM-11708 does in fact propose to remove all bandwidth limits in the MF/HF RTTY/Data sub-bands, which I will abbreviate "RDS" from here on. Note however, we are discussing RDS in the MF/HF amateur allocations [essentially below 30 MHz] only. Right now, on 21 Aug 2016, there are *no* bandwidth limits for any emissions in the RDS. Read that again ... today, with no action by the FCC at all, I can communicate with my buddy using a 256-QAM emission at about 25 KHz bandwidth. In 1980 and for awhile afterward, the symbol rate limit of 300/sec *did* impose a bandwidth limit of about 1-analog telephone channel because data transmission then was some variant of FSK [only], and 1 bit equaled 1 symbol. Bandwidth limit by proxy. We all know that the situation in coding and modulation theory changed dramatically in the 30+ years since and today, 1 symbol can include essentially any number of bits you choose. In their original petition, ARRL, realizing that the "limit by proxy" was no longer effective, sought to impose a direct bandwidth limit in the RDS. As a peripheral matter, they suggested removing the no longer effective 300/sec symbol rate limit ARRL chose 2.8 KHz for several reasons: It's about "1 analog telephone channel's" worth of bandwidth; that was essentially the "limit by proxy" in 1980; and it would have no effect whatsoever on any existing emissions and users. Note the last ... it will come up again. PACTOR3, which has been around a long time, which has a fairly well established user base and infrastructure, and with which we have co-existed, has an occupied bandwidth of about 2.1 KHz. PACTOR4, prohibited now because its symbol rate is about 1,000/sec, has an occupied bandwidth of about 2.4 KHz Unless you memorize the sound of PACTOR's, none of us will notice the coming of PACTOR4, and all the PACTORs are an unfortunate serious distraction to the matter at hand. NPRM-11708 isn't about PACTOR and never was. Actions by the FCC are governed by the Administrative Procedures Act [APA] which requires a somewhat slow process that includes multiple opportunities for public input The matter at hand in NPRM-11708 contains exactly two questions: 1) Should the symbol rate limit of 300/sec at 97.309(f) be eliminated?; and 2) Should a specified limit of 2.8 KHz occupied bandwidth in the RDS be imposed? Those are the ONLY two issues that can be decided in this proceeding. Any comment/request outside those two issues will be ignored. Folks, read that again. If you want to be heard, you must speak to those two issues. Anything else is irrelevant to the proceeding at hand. There is no distinction within any of the RDS that segregates different permitted emission types, and there hasn't been since the mid-50's when the FCC first authorized 850 Hz shift FSK, 45.5 baud, ITA-2 radioteleprinter emissions. There are no MF/HF CW-only sub-bands, and there haven't been for longer than many here have been alive. Nothing in NPRM-11708 is going to cause encroachment on anything that isn't already a possibility today. Suggesting otherwise is non-factual, and will be ignored at the FCC. If in your comments, you assert that 2.8 KHz is too wide and something smaller [1 KHz or even 500 Hz] should be the limit as Ted suggests, your comment will be ignored. Why? Two reasons ... that is not part of the current proceeding; and, more importantly, it would prohibit emissions that have been permitted for years and for which there are user, equipment, and infrastructure bases in place. Kicking currently authorized emissions out of the amateur allocations is a Really Big Deal [RBD], and any RBD would require one or more new proceedings under the APA. If you want to divide the RDS's into sub-segments -- CW, PSK/JTxx, PACTOR, which would be another RBD, you must file a petition to do so. If you want a hard bandwidth limit that prohibits currently authorized emission[s], you must file a petition to do that. Good luck. Way over half of the original ~1,500 comments to RM-11708 in 2013 were extraneous to the issue at hand and were most likely ignored. In the process, we lost a lot of credibility with the FCC. We're supposed to understand 47CFR97. We did a terrible job of doing that in 2013. We really need to do better in 2016. It may be our last chance for awhile. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW #142 - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 8/21/2016 11:14 AM, Richard Thorne wrote: > To all CW/RTTY users... > > RM-11708, as currently written/proposed, will have a detrimental and > negative impact on the cw/rtty sub-bands. > > Ted, N9NB, is very well versed on the subject. Please check > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Rappaport for Ted's back ground. > He is a very active amateur, I worked him in the NAQP last night. > > I'm including the body of a recent email that Ted wrote. I strongly > urge each of you to research the subject matter and contact your ARRL > representatives soon. In addition it would be helpful to make a comment > on RM-11708 as described below.... > > Rich - N5ZC > > **** > > Dear Colleagues: If you believe, as I do, that RM 11708 is dangerous for > the hobby, both in the US, I ask that you PLEASE take action by filling > public comments regarding the FCC's recent RM 11708 ruling, and please > forward this to every CW and RTTY enthusiast you know in ham radio, on > every reflector, in every CW and RTTY club, both in the US and > elsewhere. If you do not agree with me, or don't care, then feel free to > delete and stop reading. > I am fearful and quite certain that RM 11708, which the FCC is now > seeking public comment on as a prelude to enact its ruling, will > terribly erode CW and RTTY on the HF bands. The ruling will allow PACTOR > 4 and multi-tone modems on any frequency within the CW/RTTY frequencies > on HF. This is worse than allowing SSB to operate throughout the CW/data > sub bands, somethng the FCC has never allowed. The FCC is proposing an > unlimited bandwidth for data signals (the ARRL asked for 2.8 kHz, the > bandwidth of SSB, which was still bad -- the FCC proposal is even > worse). I would urge all of you write in to object to RM 11708 and to > ask that the FCC place a 500 Hz bandwidth limit all data transmission > bandwidths of Pactor, multi tone data modems, and other experimental > data modes on all HF bands within the lowest 75 or 100 kHz region. > Otherwise, these monster QRMers of unlimited bandwidth will be allowed > to operate anywhere, and they will lawfully fire up on your CW or RTTY > qso when you are least expecting it. > See below how the proponents of RM 11708, including my friend Tom > Whiteside, are launching an aggressive campaign for "pro" comments to be > filed at the FCC to allow Pactor 4 and other wideband multi-tone modems > to operate anywhere in the CW/RTTY spectrum, without a segregation of > the band the way Japan does (The public filing period ends in a couple > of weeks, so we must write now to offer opposition). The need for > WinLink/Pactor data emergency communication on HF is being used as one > of the arguments for expanding the data bandwidth. I would urge CW and > RTTY enthusiasts to review the arguments for and against RM 11708, and > move quickly to write about your opposition to the newly proposed > regulation just released by the FCC (It can be viewed here: > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2016/db0728/FCC-16-96A1.pdf > > Please see Tom's email below on how to file a comment, but I would urge > you to read the FCC proposal and file comments against their proposed > rulemaking. > You can see the ballet box is again be flooded for the expanded data > privileges. This will come at a cost to CW and RTTY . See these comments > already filed: > https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/search/filings?sort=date_disseminated,DESC&proceedings_name=RM-11708 > > Unfortunately, in the FCC proposed ruling issued over a week ago, the > Commission appears to have ignored ALL comments made by hams after the > initial 30 day comment period back in late 2013. During that one month > period, there was a 95% "pro" letter writing campaign by over 800 people > -- It was only after the CW and RTTY enthusiasts woke up in March of > 2014 that public comments became overwhelmingly negative against RM > 11708. Unfortunately, the FCC has apparently ignored all of those > comments, so new comments need to be filed on the FCC;s recent ruling. > If you care about CW and RTTY, please file comments against the ruling, > to preserve some sanctuary for narrowband data (having less than 500 Hz > bandwidth), the way the largest ham country (Japan) has done to ensure > no QRM to CW and RTTY enthusiasts. > Thanks for considering. > Best 73 ted n9nb From fcady at montana.edu Sun Aug 21 17:12:30 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 21:12:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Where is the K3s setup for JT65 info? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 73, Fred KE7X ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Howard Stephenson Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 8:06 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Where is the K3s setup for JT65 info? < https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-yBKo9Fr1NmwG4AaV0jiI6LbtiMysYGVLPqw2LDG8kM/pub > 73, Howard Stephenson K6IA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From k3ndm at comcast.net Sun Aug 21 17:16:07 2016 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 21:16:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] RM-11708: CW and RTTY users please read In-Reply-To: <36140384-b11f-abd4-4ce4-367c5c5a0c6e@rthorne.net> Message-ID: Rich, First, the FCC will entertain comments until 1 October according to what I have read. Second, this is being pushed by the HFLINK group so that their radios are compatible with the military HFALE radios. Yes, this will have a detrimental impact in the CW/data portion of the bands. The argument is all of the current modes are obsolete and legacy. Additionally, ham radio can not progress unless there is a place to invent new modes and increase baud rates. Their argument does not account for the need for additional bandwidth. On the HFLINK reflector, they talk about about needing this to support disaster communications, however, that is handled nicely by VHF/UHF voice and HF disaster nets. Data needs are being handled nicely by the Winlink network on both HF and VHF. And now, HSMM is coming on line with mega bit data rates. And, the best part of all of this is that it can come together without the need for infrastructure. RM-11708 is not the best thought out NPR that I have read. And what is unfortunate is the ARRL has supported it. If you are worried about this, comments need to be sent to the FCC; the procedure is on the ARRL web site. And, the ARRL should be notified of your concern via mail or email, and before 1 October. The sooner the better. I have already done this. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Richard Thorne" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: 8/21/2016 2:14:57 PM Subject: [Elecraft] RM-11708: CW and RTTY users please read >To all CW/RTTY users... > >RM-11708, as currently written/proposed, will have a detrimental and >negative impact on the cw/rtty sub-bands. > >Ted, N9NB, is very well versed on the subject. Please check >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Rappaport for Ted's back ground. > He is a very active amateur, I worked him in the NAQP last night. > >I'm including the body of a recent email that Ted wrote. I strongly >urge each of you to research the subject matter and contact your ARRL >representatives soon. In addition it would be helpful to make a >comment on RM-11708 as described below.... > >Rich - N5ZC > >**** > >Dear Colleagues: If you believe, as I do, that RM 11708 is dangerous >for the hobby, both in the US, I ask that you PLEASE take action by >filling public comments regarding the FCC's recent RM 11708 ruling, and >please forward this to every CW and RTTY enthusiast you know in ham >radio, on every reflector, in every CW and RTTY club, both in the US >and elsewhere. If you do not agree with me, or don't care, then feel >free to delete and stop reading. >I am fearful and quite certain that RM 11708, which the FCC is now >seeking public comment on as a prelude to enact its ruling, will >terribly erode CW and RTTY on the HF bands. The ruling will allow >PACTOR 4 and multi-tone modems on any frequency within the CW/RTTY >frequencies on HF. This is worse than allowing SSB to operate >throughout the CW/data sub bands, somethng the FCC has never allowed. >The FCC is proposing an unlimited bandwidth for data signals (the ARRL >asked for 2.8 kHz, the bandwidth of SSB, which was still bad -- the FCC >proposal is even worse). I would urge all of you write in to object to >RM 11708 and to ask that the FCC place a 500 Hz bandwidth limit all >data transmission bandwidths of Pactor, multi tone data modems, and >other experimental data modes on all HF bands within the lowest 75 or >100 kHz region. Otherwise, these monster QRMers of unlimited bandwidth >will be allowed to operate anywhere, and they will lawfully fire up on >your CW or RTTY qso when you are least expecting it. >See below how the proponents of RM 11708, including my friend Tom >Whiteside, are launching an aggressive campaign for "pro" comments to >be filed at the FCC to allow Pactor 4 and other wideband multi-tone >modems to operate anywhere in the CW/RTTY spectrum, without a >segregation of the band the way Japan does (The public filing period >ends in a couple of weeks, so we must write now to offer opposition). >The need for WinLink/Pactor data emergency communication on HF is being >used as one of the arguments for expanding the data bandwidth. I would >urge CW and RTTY enthusiasts to review the arguments for and against RM >11708, and move quickly to write about your opposition to the newly >proposed regulation just released by the FCC (It can be viewed here: >http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2016/db0728/FCC-16-96A1.pdf >Please see Tom's email below on how to file a comment, but I would urge >you to read the FCC proposal and file comments against their proposed >rulemaking. >You can see the ballet box is again be flooded for the expanded data >privileges. This will come at a cost to CW and RTTY . See these >comments already filed: >https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/search/filings?sort=date_disseminated,DESC&proceedings_name=RM-11708 >Unfortunately, in the FCC proposed ruling issued over a week ago, the >Commission appears to have ignored ALL comments made by hams after the >initial 30 day comment period back in late 2013. During that one month >period, there was a 95% "pro" letter writing campaign by over 800 >people -- It was only after the CW and RTTY enthusiasts woke up in >March of 2014 that public comments became overwhelmingly negative >against RM 11708. Unfortunately, the FCC has apparently ignored all of >those comments, so new comments need to be filed on the FCC;s recent >ruling. >If you care about CW and RTTY, please file comments against the ruling, >to preserve some sanctuary for narrowband data (having less than 500 Hz >bandwidth), the way the largest ham country (Japan) has done to ensure >no QRM to CW and RTTY enthusiasts. >Thanks for considering. >Best 73 ted n9nb > >*** > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From enzoisis at sympatico.ca Sun Aug 21 17:23:50 2016 From: enzoisis at sympatico.ca (Enzo Greco) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 17:23:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft k2 Message-ID: <005301d1fbf2$4fec7910$efc56b30$@ca> Hi Guys, Thanks for all the offers! Managed to find a kx1. Thanks Phil... ****** Now looking for a Elecraft K2 only ******* Please let me know options and price shipped. 73 de ve3vtg Enzo From mda at n1en.org Sun Aug 21 19:09:37 2016 From: mda at n1en.org (Michael Adams) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 23:09:37 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] RM-11708: CW and RTTY users please read Message-ID: <4ab395a4-4d32-4bac-af92-2a5b05d1459b@n1en.org> Fred: Re factoid 4: Are you certain that comments seeking a bandwidth restriction on part of the CW/data subband would be ignored? In the discussion accompanying the NPRM, the FCC rather explicitly invited comments as to whether a limitation is appropriate for a portion of the bands, specific frequencies meriting protection, etc. provided that such were supported by some technical reasoning Given that a specific question was asked, I'd think that direct responses to the specific question would be considered as relevant. While I'm not schooled in the provisions of the APA, I don't think American regulatory bureaucracy has yet deteriorated to the point where a federal agency is required to ignore responses to questions they asked in the development of regulation. -- Michael Adams | mda at n1en.org ________________________________ From: Fred Jensen Sent: Aug 21, 2016 4:13 PM To: Richard Thorne; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708: CW and RTTY users please read Actions by the FCC are governed by the Administrative Procedures Act [APA] which requires a somewhat slow process that includes multiple opportunities for public input The matter at hand in NPRM-11708 contains exactly two questions: 1) Should the symbol rate limit of 300/sec at 97.309(f) be eliminated?; and 2) Should a specified limit of 2.8 KHz occupied bandwidth in the RDS be imposed? Those are the ONLY two issues that can be decided in this proceeding. Any comment/request outside those two issues will be ignored. Folks, read that again. If you want to be heard, you must speak to those two issues. Anything else is irrelevant to the proceeding at hand. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 21 20:04:30 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 20:04:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 and MMTTY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <967a2d40-4c78-303c-104a-d26130ad4d2e@embarqmail.com> Larry, I think you are getting confused by the RS-232 connections and the KIO3B. First, there should be only one COM port connected to the K3 - whether that be the COM port assigned to the USB connection or the COM port assigned to your Edgeport USB to Serial Converter port. You can use only one at a time - it sounds like you are trying to use both. In addition, only one application can use a COM port at one time. If you have DX4Win working on COM3, then MMTTY cannot also use that same port. You must close DX4Win to allow MMTTY to use that port. The alternative is to use a virtual port application (such as LP-Bridge) to connect to the K3 and then configure the various applications to connect to the virtual ports of LP-Bridge. COM-O-COM offers similar virtual port capability. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/19/2016 5:34 PM, Larry P. Greenberg wrote: > I recently upgraded my K3 with the new K103B that provides a USB connection, eliminates the need for an external PC soundcard and retains all of the original RS232 functionality. I have an Edgeport USB to RS232 four port box providing RS232 connectivity to the K3, the amplifier, and rotator control. It seems to be working as DX4Win controls the radio, the rotator, and sends CW. I cannot get MMTTY to send RTTY or even execute the PTT function. It seems like I have not set-up MMTTY correctly. I am looking for someone who may be familiar with the new K3 Interface boards (K3s functionality) and MMTTY. My error message is Cannot Open COM3 (COM port used to control the K3 and send CW which works fine. I cannot select additional soundcards such as CODEC from the soundcard menu under set-up. > > Larry, WA9MAG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From eric at elecraft.com Sun Aug 21 21:55:45 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 20:55:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RM-11708: CW and RTTY users please read In-Reply-To: <4ab395a4-4d32-4bac-af92-2a5b05d1459b@n1en.org> References: <4ab395a4-4d32-4bac-af92-2a5b05d1459b@n1en.org> Message-ID: <4E6C8095-003E-45C1-89E9-9EE8F0427C86@elecraft.com> Folks - while this is an important topic, further discussion is outside of the content guidelines for the Elecraft list. Its ok to post the initial comment, but discussion of pro-con items should always proceed elsewhere in order to keep our focus on Elecraft related topics and closely related OT topics. 73, Eric Moderator at the moment.. elecraft.com _..._ > On Aug 21, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Michael Adams wrote: > > Fred: > > Re factoid 4: Are you certain that comments seeking a bandwidth restriction on part of the CW/data subband would be ignored? > > In the discussion accompanying the NPRM, the FCC rather explicitly invited comments as to whether a limitation is appropriate for a portion of the bands, specific frequencies meriting protection, etc. provided that such were supported by some technical reasoning > > Given that a specific question was asked, I'd think that direct responses to the specific question would be considered as relevant. > > While I'm not schooled in the provisions of the APA, I don't think American regulatory bureaucracy has yet deteriorated to the point where a federal agency is required to ignore responses to questions they asked in the development of regulation. > > -- > Michael Adams | mda at n1en.org > > ________________________________ > From: Fred Jensen > Sent: Aug 21, 2016 4:13 PM > To: Richard Thorne; Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RM-11708: CW and RTTY users please read > > > Actions by the FCC are governed by the Administrative > Procedures Act [APA] which requires a somewhat slow process that > includes multiple opportunities for public input > > The matter at hand in NPRM-11708 contains exactly two questions: 1) > Should the symbol rate limit of 300/sec at 97.309(f) be eliminated?; and > 2) Should a specified limit of 2.8 KHz occupied bandwidth in the RDS be > imposed? > > Those are the ONLY two issues that can be decided in this proceeding. > Any comment/request outside those two issues will be ignored. Folks, > read that again. If you want to be heard, you must speak to those two > issues. Anything else is irrelevant to the proceeding at hand. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From ve3iay at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 05:03:54 2016 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 05:03:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 and MMTTY Message-ID: If you are using AFSK for RTTY and controlling PTT via a method such as rig control or VOX, Don's advice about only one COM port applies. The only COM port you need is for rig control, and the KIO3B simply allows you to replace whatever you used previously with a direct USB connection to the radio. However, if you are using FSK from MMTTY (or even if you are using AFSK but have chosen for some reason to use MMTTY's PTT & FSK port for PTT control from MMTTY), there is a second serial port involved, for FSK (and possibly PTT) keying. The KIO3B's USB connection does not have anything to do with this. In MMTTY, the PTT & FSK Port that you configure under the TX tab in the MMTTY Setup window is not the same serial port you use for rig control. This is a separate serial port with keying circuit(s) for FSK (normally connected to TxD) and PTT (either RTS or DTR) connected to the K3's ACC connector. You do not use the serial port that is created by the driver for the KIO3B as the PTT & FSK port in MMTTY. MMTTY also offers some minimal rig control capabilities, using a serial port configured using the "Radio command" button in the same area of the setup window. This must be a different serial port from the FSK & PTT port. If you are not doing rig control from some other application (such as DX4Win), then you can use MMTTY's elementary rig control capabilities, and for that you can use the serial port associated with the KIO3B's serial adapter. You also mentioned difficulties in opening the audio codec in the KIO3B. This should show up in the list of sound cards under the SoundCard tab in MMTTY. Note that if there is anything plugged into the Line In jack on the KIO3B, the internal audio codec in the KIO3B will be disabled. It's an either/or - either use the codec in the KIO3B, or use a separate sound card, possibly inside the PC, connected to the K3's Line In jack. 73, Rich VE3KI On 8/19/2016 5:34 PM, Larry P. Greenberg wrote: > I recently upgraded my K3 with the new K103B that provides a USB connection, \ > eliminates the need for an external PC soundcard and retains all of the original \ > RS232 functionality. I have an Edgeport USB to RS232 four port box providing RS232 \ > connectivity to the K3, the amplifier, and rotator control. It seems to be working \ > as DX4Win controls the radio, the rotator, and sends CW. I cannot get MMTTY to \ > send RTTY or even execute the PTT function. It seems like I have not set-up MMTTY \ > correctly. I am looking for someone who may be familiar with the new K3 Interface \ > boards (K3s functionality) and MMTTY. My error message is Cannot Open COM3 (COM \ > port used to control the K3 and send CW which works fine. I cannot select \ > additional soundcards such as CODEC from the soundcard menu under set-up. > Larry, WA9MAG From d.palmer at btinternet.com Mon Aug 22 09:14:58 2016 From: d.palmer at btinternet.com (Don Palmer) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 14:14:58 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KPod Utility Message-ID: <008d01d1fc77$335c4d90$9a14e8b0$@palmer@btinternet.com> Has anyone seen the KPod utility as I see in the ftp there is a folder for the KPod with a file, Kpod0106.hex 713KB 17-Aug-16 but no way of loading this into the KPod ? Don G6CMV From al7cr at mooseaviation.com Mon Aug 22 11:20:34 2016 From: al7cr at mooseaviation.com (AL7CR) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 08:20:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 6 Khz Filter Use in Data A Mode Message-ID: <1471879234.713989.702517697.09304B76@webmail.messagingengine.com> I wish to be able to recieve and transmit using the WSJT-X JT65 + JT-9 mode. I know from archived posts on this subject that my recieve bandwidth using a 6 Khz filter in Data-A will be approximately 300 - 4200. The question is can I also transmit in this range in Data A? I do not want to buy the filter unless this is possible. The filter setup utility appears to allow this however the Elecraft and Cady manuals state in many places that you must transmit SSB through either the 2.7 or 2.8 filter. Perhaps the ESSB feature allows this operation but it is not clear if this functions in Data A or if it is required in that mode. From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Mon Aug 22 11:35:45 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 08:35:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Prioritizing CAT control? In-Reply-To: References: <721272020.547822.1471803849298@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've been using an external xvtr with my K3s for a while now and over the weekend, I installed the internal K144XV one. The internal is set as #1 and the external is set as #8 (the external has always been defined as #8). Now I notice that CAT control (to change the freq) calls #1 and not #8 as I want. Is it a matter of the "first one in line" - based on frequency - is the one called or can I change something in CONFIG to select which xvtr is set? Ken ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From lists at subich.com Mon Aug 22 11:47:54 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 11:47:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 6 Khz Filter Use in Data A Mode In-Reply-To: <1471879234.713989.702517697.09304B76@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1471879234.713989.702517697.09304B76@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <7b9453bc-91ea-81ee-573d-07d1da032119@subich.com> > The question is can I also transmit in this range in Data A? No. ESSB is not active in DATA A - transmit bandwidth is limited to approximately 300 - 2500 Hz by the DSP. However, if you use WSJT-X in "Split" mode, WSJT-X will automatically offset VFO B and adjust the tones to keep the transmitted audio between 1500 and 2000 Hz (for maximum rejection of distortion and harmonics) through the full 300 - 4300 Hz receive bandpass (both JT65A and JT9). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/22/2016 11:20 AM, AL7CR wrote: > I wish to be able to recieve and transmit using the WSJT-X JT65 + JT-9 > mode. I know from archived posts on this subject that my recieve > bandwidth using a 6 Khz filter in Data-A will be approximately 300 - > 4200. The question is can I also transmit in this range in Data A? I > do not want to buy the filter unless this is possible. The filter setup > utility appears to allow this however the Elecraft and Cady manuals > state in many places that you must transmit SSB through either the 2.7 > or 2.8 filter. Perhaps the ESSB feature allows this operation but it > is not clear if this functions in Data A or if it is required in that > mode. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 22 11:51:24 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 11:51:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Prioritizing CAT control? In-Reply-To: <20160822153724.4510D149B562@mailman.qth.net> References: <721272020.547822.1471803849298@mail.yahoo.com> <20160822153724.4510D149B562@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <7c7a3745-5f86-2d9f-e57a-29997c2f1b8a@embarqmail.com> Ken, I am not sure what you mean by "#1" and "#8" - I can guess, but I don't have enough information to know what you mean. Look at the XVn menu items in the K3S manual listing of the menu functions. There are two that will affect the selection of the proper transverter - 1) XVn ON, and 2) XVn ADR. Be certain both are set correctly for each transverter. What I am saying is that even though you may call the external transverter #8, it is the XVn ADR that does the selection of the transverter - note that the band selection (address) information must be set to match the addressing of that decoded by the transverter. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/22/2016 11:35 AM, Ken Arck wrote: > I've been using an external xvtr with my K3s for a while now and over > the weekend, I installed the internal K144XV one. The internal is set > as #1 and the external is set as #8 (the external has always been > defined as #8). > > Now I notice that CAT control (to change the freq) calls #1 and not #8 > as I want. Is it a matter of the "first one in line" - based on > frequency - is the one called or can I change something in CONFIG to > select which xvtr is set? > From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Mon Aug 22 11:58:02 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 08:58:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Prioritizing CAT control? In-Reply-To: <7c7a3745-5f86-2d9f-e57a-29997c2f1b8a@embarqmail.com> References: <721272020.547822.1471803849298@mail.yahoo.com> <20160822153724.4510D149B562@mailman.qth.net> <7c7a3745-5f86-2d9f-e57a-29997c2f1b8a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Don What I mean is that I've been using an external DEMI transverter set up as Trn 8 for some time now. for 2 meter EME work. I added the internal K144XV over the weekend and set it up as Int Trn 1 but still want to be able to use the DEMI. No problem as I can select each properly by the BAND button but if I try to set a 2 meter freq by CAT, no matter what band the radio is currently on, it selects Trn 1 and not Trn 8 as it did before. I don't use the ADR info at all, at least not externally Ken At 08:51 AM 8/22/2016, Don Wilhelm wrote: >Ken, > >I am not sure what you mean by "#1" and "#8" - I can guess, but I >don't have enough information to know what you mean. > >Look at the XVn menu items in the K3S manual listing of the menu >functions. There are two that will affect the selection of the >proper transverter - 1) XVn ON, and 2) XVn ADR. Be certain both are >set correctly for each transverter. > >What I am saying is that even though you may call the external >transverter #8, it is the XVn ADR that does the selection of the >transverter - note that the band selection (address) information >must be set to match the addressing of that decoded by the transverter. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 8/22/2016 11:35 AM, Ken Arck wrote: >>I've been using an external xvtr with my K3s for a while now and >>over the weekend, I installed the internal K144XV one. The internal >>is set as #1 and the external is set as #8 (the external has always >>been defined as #8). >> >>Now I notice that CAT control (to change the freq) calls #1 and not >>#8 as I want. Is it a matter of the "first one in line" - based on >>frequency - is the one called or can I change something in CONFIG >>to select which xvtr is set? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" From stewart at g3ysx.org.uk Mon Aug 22 12:00:17 2016 From: stewart at g3ysx.org.uk (Stewart Bryant) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 17:00:17 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] "Turn on the KPA500" Error In-Reply-To: <4743473d-9ffe-097c-1d28-083e474c2882@embarqmail.com> References: <213ba2c3-5060-0567-519d-3d7d91dbfee6@g3ysx.org.uk> <4743473d-9ffe-097c-1d28-083e474c2882@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: On 19/08/2016 15:15, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Stewart, > > It sounds like you have the XV144 JP7 jumpered and not JP8 - otherwise > you would not be able to power the XV144 on/off with the front panel > switch. > With the jumper on JP8 and none on JP7, the XV144 will power itself on > when you select the 144MHz band (actually the K3 TRN address that > matches the address set into the the XV144 DIP switches). This is the mode that it operates in. > > In order for this selection to happen, you must have 12 volts at the > power jack of the XV144 whenever the K3 is powered on. > > If you are turning the XV144 off at its power supply, then I suspect > it will load the K3 AUX signal and cause "strange behavior" in the K3. OK - I have the oven heater on when not selected, and turn the XV144 PSU off if I want to turn the oven off because I am unlikely to use 2M for a while. From the sound of it I need to keep it powered up whenever the K3 is on. A minor irritation since they use separate supplies/ 73 Stewart/G3YSX > > The solution is to leave power on the XV144 - no debugging necessary. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/19/2016 9:46 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: >> I have a K3 connected to an XV144 in the preferred configuration >> shown in the manual with the AUX port used for band switching. >> >> Occasionally I find that with the XV144 powered down the K3 hangs >> complaining that the KPA500 needs to be turned on. I can cure this by >> powering on the XV144 or by disconnecting the Aux lead from the XV144. >> >> Is this a fault on one of my component's (K3, cable or XV144), a bug >> or a feature. >> > From jim at vistasierra.com Sat Aug 20 02:33:57 2016 From: jim at vistasierra.com (Jim Stockwell) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 23:33:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale K3 x 2, P3, P3SVGA and KFL3A-1.8 Message-ID: <000001d1faac$d4d12410$7e736c30$@vistasierra.com> Just upgraded to a new K3S and new P3. Selling my remaining Elecraft equipment. All working perfect with no scratches from a non-smoking home. PayPal Preferred (no fee), UPSP Money Order, Cashier or Personal Check OK Subject to Bank Hold period. All include CONUS Shipping. Please contact me via w6kc at arrl.net Thanks! Jim, W6KC K3-100 (Serial #7531) - $2,200 KAT3 K3 ATU KRX3 K3 2nd Receiver KDVR3 K3 Digital voice module KXV3A K3 TX ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Interface KFL3A-2.7K 2.7 kHz, 5-pole standard filters in both Receivers KPCA-F Power Cable Original Cost $3,500+ K3/100 (Serial #3232) - $1,500 KXV3A K3 TX ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Interface KFL3A-400 400 Hz, 8-pole filter KFL3A-2.7K 2.7 kHz, 5-pole standard filter K3DSPUPGD K3 DSP Upgrade KPCA-F Power Cable Original Cost $2,700+ P3 Panadapter (Serial #1407) - $575 Includes all K3 Interface Cables P3SVGA P3 Video Adapter / FFT Processor add-in for the P3 - $185 Removed from a 5 month old P3 KFL3A-1.8K 1.8 kHz, 8-pole Filter - $95 From jim at vistasierra.com Sat Aug 20 12:34:47 2016 From: jim at vistasierra.com (Jim Stockwell) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 09:34:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale K3 x 2, P3 and More Message-ID: <000001d1fb00$c4841fa0$4d8c5ee0$@vistasierra.com> Just upgraded to a new K3S and new P3. Selling my remaining Elecraft equipment. All working perfect with no scratches from a non-smoking home. PayPal Preferred (no fee), UPSP Money Order, Cashier or Personal Check OK Subject to Bank Hold period. All include CONUS Shipping. Please contact me via w6kc at arrl.net Thanks! Jim, W6KC K3-100 (Serial #7531) - $2,200 KAT3 K3 ATU KRX3 K3 2nd Receiver KDVR3 K3 Digital voice module KXV3A K3 TX ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Interface KFL3A-2.7K 2.7 kHz, 5-pole standard filters in both Receivers KPCA-F Power Cable Original Cost $3,500+ K3/100 (Serial #3232) - $1,500 KXV3A K3 TX ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Interface KFL3A-400 400 Hz, 8-pole filter KFL3A-2.7K 2.7 kHz, 5-pole standard filter K3DSPUPGD K3 DSP Upgrade KPCA-F Power Cable Original Cost $2,700+ P3 Panadapter (Serial #1407) - $575 Includes all K3 Interface Cables P3SVGA P3 Video Adapter / FFT Processor add-in for the P3 - $185 Removed from a 5 month old P3 KFL3A-1.8K 1.8 kHz, 8-pole Filter - $95 From Gary at ka1j.com Mon Aug 22 12:32:42 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 12:32:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6 meter DX activity in sunspot low Message-ID: <57BB292A.9942.3899A3E6@Gary.ka1j.com> I've made exactly five 6M contacts in the last 36 years, all of them a couple months ago during Field Day with my K3s. It piqued my interest as I have DXCC from 160 through 10 & this would offer a new challenge. I discovered DXEngineering has a 3 element, 6M add on that attaches to a tribander and gives decent gain. Considering my tribander is roof mounted on a ranch, I won't have a great antenna for 6 no matter how I slice it. Still, if there is something worthwhile I can do with 6M, I should. So my question is for those who have operated 6M for years and know how the band works during the lows of the sunspot cycle; is it like 17 & up where any DX openings are unobtanium, or does 6M behave differently at sunspot lows and DX openings are common? Thanks & 73, Gary KA1J From jstengrevics at comcast.net Mon Aug 22 12:40:11 2016 From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 09:40:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6 meter DX activity in sunspot low In-Reply-To: <57BB292A.9942.3899A3E6@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <57BB292A.9942.3899A3E6@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <3C9EBBC2-D4FD-48F8-A5D5-3DB57B3A703A@comcast.net> I got back into the hobby 2 1/2 months ago. I have been on 6 meters almost exclusively during that time, running my K3S at 95 watts to a 6 element quad at 40 feet. During this time, the band has been open to somewhere practically every day. In this time, I have worked 40 states and 26 countries. The QTH is in fn42. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > > I've made exactly five 6M contacts in the last 36 years, all of them > a couple months ago during Field Day with my K3s. It piqued my > interest as I have DXCC from 160 through 10 & this would offer a new > challenge. > > I discovered DXEngineering has a 3 element, 6M add on that attaches > to a tribander and gives decent gain. Considering my tribander is > roof mounted on a ranch, I won't have a great antenna for 6 no matter > how I slice it. Still, if there is something worthwhile I can do with > 6M, I should. > > So my question is for those who have operated 6M for years and know > how the band works during the lows of the sunspot cycle; is it like > 17 & up where any DX openings are unobtanium, or does 6M behave > differently at sunspot lows and DX openings are common? > > Thanks & 73, > > Gary > KA1J > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jstengrevics at comcast.net From enzoisis at sympatico.ca Mon Aug 22 13:11:32 2016 From: enzoisis at sympatico.ca (Enzo Greco) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 13:11:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] **Wanted K2** Message-ID: <001e01d1fc98$3ad7ba20$b0872e60$@ca> Looking for a Elecraft k2 please let know options and priced shipped. Thanks ve3vtg Enzo From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 22 13:16:16 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 13:16:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] "Turn on the KPA500" Error In-Reply-To: References: <213ba2c3-5060-0567-519d-3d7d91dbfee6@g3ysx.org.uk> <4743473d-9ffe-097c-1d28-083e474c2882@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <8afabbeb-d992-b580-f5df-55558c2ce32d@embarqmail.com> Stewart, Yes, you will either have to keep the XV144 powered or disconnect the AUX cable when you remove the 12V power from the XV144. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/22/2016 12:00 PM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > > > On 19/08/2016 15:15, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Stewart, >> >> It sounds like you have the XV144 JP7 jumpered and not JP8 - >> otherwise you would not be able to power the XV144 on/off with the >> front panel switch. >> With the jumper on JP8 and none on JP7, the XV144 will power itself >> on when you select the 144MHz band (actually the K3 TRN address that >> matches the address set into the the XV144 DIP switches). > This is the mode that it operates in. >> >> In order for this selection to happen, you must have 12 volts at the >> power jack of the XV144 whenever the K3 is powered on. >> >> If you are turning the XV144 off at its power supply, then I suspect >> it will load the K3 AUX signal and cause "strange behavior" in the K3. > > OK - I have the oven heater on when not selected, and turn the XV144 > PSU off if I want to turn the oven off because I am unlikely to use 2M > for a while. From the sound of it I need to keep it powered up > whenever the K3 is on. A minor irritation since they use separate > supplies/ > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Aug 22 13:18:31 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 10:18:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6 meter DX activity in sunspot low In-Reply-To: <57BB292A.9942.3899A3E6@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <57BB292A.9942.3899A3E6@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <9c14e553-19cd-cf97-fc0d-35292cc74414@audiosystemsgroup.com> Hi Gary, I've worked 6M off and on since 1957 (the off and on part corresponds mostly with times I wasn't on the air at all). The only time that the sunspot cycle had much to do with 6M activity was during that monster sunspot cycle around '57-'58, when from WV we worked ZS in the morning, then W6, then KH6, then JA. Openings were almost every day and like clockwork. And our rigs in those days were typically a 2E26 (25W) or 6146 (50W) AM. I was one of the few then who worked CW -- most of the guys had Tech licenses. 99% of the activity on 6M results from sporadic-E skip, which is most often present during the summer months. Your part of the country (the NE) seems to have the greatest activity, with fairly frequent openings to EU, the Caribbean, and the eastern 2/3 of the US. Each E-skip hop is good for roughly 400 - 1,000 miles, and the areas we can work are typically a few hundred miles in diameter, and depend on the size and location of the ionized section of the E-layer. But on rare occasions, multiple ionized sections of the E-layer happen that can support multiple hops, which is how we make transcontinental and intercontinental QSOs. These multi-hop openings happen perhaps a few dozen times a year from the west coast to the east coast; they tend to be fairly brief (a half hour to an hour), and they're almost always "spotlight" propagation, where I'll work 3-4 guys in the same grid, then the path either dies or moves. CW is by far the best way to work these openings, first because of the advantage of CW over SSB, and a lot better than modes like JT65 because a good CW op can finish a QSO in 30 seconds, where JT65 takes 5-7 minutes. I've lost a lot of JT65 double-hop QSOs because the band shifted before we could finish. K1JT has been working on adding "faster"modes to his WSJT suite to address this issue. E-skip conditions peak around the summer solstice -- we typically start to see openings in May and they continue through August, but strength, frequency, and duration decay either side of that peak. There are also a few openings around the winter solstice (i.e.,Christmas). With strong double-hop openings, 6M can sound like 40M or 20M. My primary 6M antenna is a 3-el SteppIR with the added fixed element that makes it a 4-el Yagi. With that setup, a K3, P3, and KPA500, I've worked about 350 grids, 344 confirmed. Before the SteppIR, I loaded high 80/40 fan dipoles with a barefoot IC746 and in the course of two seasons, made a few dozen double-hop Qs to the east coast and KH6. A 3-el Yagi will do a lot on 6M. In Chicago, I had a lot of fun with a stacked pair of omni loops at about 40 ft. There are other propagation modes that can be a lot of fun on 6M. I'd estimate that 30-40 of those 350 grids were worked via meteor scatter or tropo openings, and a dozen or so into South America and Oceania via trans-equatorial propagation. In Canada and the northern parts of the US, aurora propagation can be good too. I first worked AU from WV, then from Chicago, and made QSOs as far S as TN. Here in Santa Cruz, about 70 miles S of San Francisco, I'm too far south to hear it. The only way to work AU is CW. 73, Jim K9YC On Mon,8/22/2016 9:32 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > So my question is for those who have operated 6M for years and know > how the band works during the lows of the sunspot cycle; is it like > 17 & up where any DX openings are unobtanium, or does 6M behave > differently at sunspot lows and DX openings are common? From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 22 13:36:09 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 13:36:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Prioritizing CAT control? In-Reply-To: References: <721272020.547822.1471803849298@mail.yahoo.com> <20160822153724.4510D149B562@mailman.qth.net> <7c7a3745-5f86-2d9f-e57a-29997c2f1b8a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Ken, If there is no TRN addressing in the DEMI transverter, then it will not respond to the addressing being sent over the K3 AUXBUS. You may have to do some decoding of the BAND SELECT lines in the K3 ACC connector. Actually, I think your problem is in the CAT control program - it apparently cannot distinguish between the 144MHz band for the internal transverter and the external transverter. Perhaps a macro in your CAT control application would resolve it - go the 144MHz band and then do however many BAND+ operations it takes to move to the external transverter. Perhaps someone who uses DEMI transverters can suggest a better way to distinguish between the two of them. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/22/2016 11:58 AM, Ken Arck wrote: > Hi Don > > What I mean is that I've been using an external DEMI transverter set > up as Trn 8 for some time now. for 2 meter EME work. I added the > internal K144XV over the weekend and set it up as Int Trn 1 but still > want to be able to use the DEMI. No problem as I can select each > properly by the BAND button but if I try to set a 2 meter freq by CAT, > no matter what band the radio is currently on, it selects Trn 1 and > not Trn 8 as it did before. > > I don't use the ADR info at all, at least not externally > > Ken > > > At 08:51 AM 8/22/2016, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Ken, >> >> I am not sure what you mean by "#1" and "#8" - I can guess, but I >> don't have enough information to know what you mean. >> >> Look at the XVn menu items in the K3S manual listing of the menu >> functions. There are two that will affect the selection of the >> proper transverter - 1) XVn ON, and 2) XVn ADR. Be certain both are >> set correctly for each transverter. >> >> What I am saying is that even though you may call the external >> transverter #8, it is the XVn ADR that does the selection of the >> transverter - note that the band selection (address) information must >> be set to match the addressing of that decoded by the transverter. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 8/22/2016 11:35 AM, Ken Arck wrote: >>> I've been using an external xvtr with my K3s for a while now and >>> over the weekend, I installed the internal K144XV one. The internal >>> is set as #1 and the external is set as #8 (the external has always >>> been defined as #8). >>> >>> Now I notice that CAT control (to change the freq) calls #1 and not >>> #8 as I want. Is it a matter of the "first one in line" - based on >>> frequency - is the one called or can I change something in CONFIG to >>> select which xvtr is set? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > President and CTO - Arcom Communications > Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. > http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ > Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and > we offer complete repeater packages! > AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 > http://www.irlp.net > "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" > > From Hamshack at N4ST.com Mon Aug 22 13:46:17 2016 From: Hamshack at N4ST.com (Jim - N4ST) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 13:46:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6 meter DX activity in sunspot low In-Reply-To: <57BB292A.9942.3899A3E6@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <57BB292A.9942.3899A3E6@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <01b601d1fc9d$1a206250$4e6126f0$@N4ST.com> I have only had a 6M capable rig for a few years, so I have not been through a sunspot low on 6M. Started out working 6M with my 20M dipole and was so encouraged that I put up a 3-el Yagi on my deck at about 15 feet with "arm strong" rotator. I primarily operate during the E Skip season, approximately from May 1st through Aug 1st, but have also made a couple dozen meteor scatter QSOs. Anyway, with a fairly low effort and marginal setup (except for the K3S of course), I have worked 10 countries, 40 states and 125 grid squares. 6M is known as the "magic band" because it can open magically and contacts across the continent can suddenly appear as 59 and be gone a few minutes later. And you can work meteor scatter with 100 watts and 3 elements regardless of sunspot count. You just have to be willing to get up in the morning when the meteors are at maximum whiz. __________ 73, Jim - N4ST -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Smith Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 12:33 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6 meter DX activity in sunspot low I've made exactly five 6M contacts in the last 36 years, all of them a couple months ago during Field Day with my K3s. It piqued my interest as I have DXCC from 160 through 10 & this would offer a new challenge. I discovered DXEngineering has a 3 element, 6M add on that attaches to a tribander and gives decent gain. Considering my tribander is roof mounted on a ranch, I won't have a great antenna for 6 no matter how I slice it. Still, if there is something worthwhile I can do with 6M, I should. So my question is for those who have operated 6M for years and know how the band works during the lows of the sunspot cycle; is it like 17 & up where any DX openings are unobtanium, or does 6M behave differently at sunspot lows and DX openings are common? Thanks & 73, Gary KA1J ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hamshack at n4st.com From ken at arcomcontrollers.com Mon Aug 22 14:15:31 2016 From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 11:15:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: Prioritizing CAT control? In-Reply-To: <7c7a3745-5f86-2d9f-e57a-29997c2f1b8a@embarqmail.com> References: <721272020.547822.1471803849298@mail.yahoo.com> <20160822153724.4510D149B562@mailman.qth.net> <7c7a3745-5f86-2d9f-e57a-29997c2f1b8a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Don What I mean by #1 and #8 is that from what I gather by reading the Manual, the K3S supports 8 different external transverters and the internal one. The externals can be assigned Band 1 through 9 while the internal can be defined as Band 0 through 9. As I read it, the ADR settings have to do with outputing a logic signal to select which external xvtr is selected. Again as I read it, this has nothing to do with CAT commands coming from an external computer (in my case, either WSJT or MAP65. Ken At 08:51 AM 8/22/2016, Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com [Elecraft_K3] wrote: >Ken, > >I am not sure what you mean by "#1" and "#8" - I can guess, but I don't >have enough information to know what you mean. > >Look at the XVn menu items in the K3S manual listing of the menu >functions. There are two that will affect the selection of the proper >transverter - 1) XVn ON, and 2) XVn ADR. Be certain both are set >correctly for each transverter. > >What I am saying is that even though you may call the external >transverter #8, it is the XVn ADR that does the selection of the >transverter - note that the band selection (address) information must be >set to match the addressing of that decoded by the transverter. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 8/22/2016 11:35 AM, Ken Arck wrote: > > I've been using an external xvtr with my K3s for a while now and over > > the weekend, I installed the internal K144XV one. The internal is set > > as #1 and the external is set as #8 (the external has always been > > defined as #8). > > > > Now I notice that CAT control (to change the freq) calls #1 and not #8 > > as I want. Is it a matter of the "first one in line" - based on > > frequency - is the one called or can I change something in CONFIG to > > select which xvtr is set? > > > > > >------------------------------------ > >------------------------------------ > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo Groups Links > ><*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Elecraft_K3/ > ><*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > ><*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Elecraft_K3/join > (Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: <20160822181710.633BB149B493@mailman.qth.net> References: <721272020.547822.1471803849298@mail.yahoo.com> <20160822153724.4510D149B562@mailman.qth.net> <7c7a3745-5f86-2d9f-e57a-29997c2f1b8a@embarqmail.com> <20160822181710.633BB149B493@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <1be461c3-f68b-25ed-ecf7-ef4363c22240@embarqmail.com> Ken, The numerical assignment of the transverter - the "n" in "XVn" - will produce a corresponding output on the K3 Band Data lines. Note that the setting of the menu CONFIG:KIO3 can change the behavior of the band data lines. The XVn ADR has to do with the data sent on the AUXBUS and is used to select the Elecraft XV series transverters. A CAT command to move the K3 to a transverter band is done by sending the frequency. Note that in your case, you have a conflict caused by having two transverters for the same band. It may be that the only way around your problem is to assign the XV8 RF menu parameter to something other than 144MHz, and when you want to use TRN8 via CAT command you will have to tell the K3 to go to that band rather than 144MHz. If it were mine, I would first try setting XV8 RF to 244MHz. If it works, you will just have to remember that the high order "1" should be subtracted from the displayed frequency. In other words telling your application sending the CAT frequency data to go to 244100kHz may land you on your external transverter and should not produce a conflict. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/22/2016 2:15 PM, Ken Arck wrote: > Hi Don > > What I mean by #1 and #8 is that from what I gather by reading the > Manual, the K3S supports 8 different external transverters and the > internal one. The externals can be assigned Band 1 through 9 while the > internal can be defined as Band 0 through 9. As I read it, the ADR > settings have to do with outputing a logic signal to select which > external xvtr is selected. Again as I read it, this has nothing to do > with CAT commands coming from an external computer (in my case, either > WSJT or MAP65. > > Ken > > > At 08:51 AM 8/22/2016, Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com > [Elecraft_K3] wrote: >> Ken, >> >> I am not sure what you mean by "#1" and "#8" - I can guess, but I don't >> have enough information to know what you mean. >> >> Look at the XVn menu items in the K3S manual listing of the menu >> functions. There are two that will affect the selection of the proper >> transverter - 1) XVn ON, and 2) XVn ADR. Be certain both are set >> correctly for each transverter. >> >> What I am saying is that even though you may call the external >> transverter #8, it is the XVn ADR that does the selection of the >> transverter - note that the band selection (address) information must be >> set to match the addressing of that decoded by the transverter. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 8/22/2016 11:35 AM, Ken Arck wrote: >> > I've been using an external xvtr with my K3s for a while now and over >> > the weekend, I installed the internal K144XV one. The internal is set >> > as #1 and the external is set as #8 (the external has always been >> > defined as #8). >> > >> > Now I notice that CAT control (to change the freq) calls #1 and not #8 >> > as I want. Is it a matter of the "first one in line" - based on >> > frequency - is the one called or can I change something in CONFIG to >> > select which xvtr is set? >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo Groups Links >> >> <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Elecraft_K3/ >> >> <*> Your email settings: >> Individual Email | Traditional >> >> <*> To change settings online go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Elecraft_K3/join >> (Yahoo! 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We use 'em!" > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From ingerassociates at cox.net Mon Aug 22 14:57:46 2016 From: ingerassociates at cox.net (David Inger) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 11:57:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 73CNC Knobs for Sale Message-ID: <4D8D0238BE9F4C8FB5C6592573CF3D22@DELLXPS> The knobs I had listed earlier have been sold. 73 de K6SBA David in Santa Barbara, CA From Gary at ka1j.com Mon Aug 22 15:33:30 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:33:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6 meter DX activity in sunspot low In-Reply-To: <9c14e553-19cd-cf97-fc0d-35292cc74414@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <57BB292A.9942.3899A3E6@Gary.ka1j.com>, <9c14e553-19cd-cf97-fc0d-35292cc74414@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <57BB538A.1883.5C4595@Gary.ka1j.com> Hi folks, thanks for the replies, especially Jim with that very informative (as usual) answer. I guess the answer is I should put up an antenna for 160 as it does have unique characteristics as does 160, where it doesn't follow the usual HF predictions for low sunspot #'s. With that, I'll order the add on kit for a 3 element 6M Yagi. I don't have any 6M antennae at the moment, I used my trusty 160M sloper for those 6M contacts during FD. I've looked at the spot log in LOgic9 which shows all my needed spots and every time I switch to it, there's nothing but noise so I do need to have a decent antenna. When I relocate I can look for a better antenna, maybe 6 or more elements, and get an amp that hits 6M (my old Alpha does not have 6M anywhere in it...) but till then, it looks like the 3 element add on kit is my best choice. Thank you for the replies. 73, Gary KA1J From hotrod541 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 22 15:37:49 2016 From: hotrod541 at hotmail.com (Louis Ives) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:37:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-3 upgrade question Message-ID: I have received all the necessary parts to begin updating my K-3 to K-3s. My K-3 has all options except the second receiver. I need to know if there is a suggested sequence to perform the updating. I am trying to not have to remove items more than once if at all possible. PSent from my iPad From n9tf at comcast.net Mon Aug 22 15:57:27 2016 From: n9tf at comcast.net (n9tf at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 19:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6 meter DX activity in sunspot low In-Reply-To: <57BB292A.9942.3899A3E6@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <57BB292A.9942.3899A3E6@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <4649505.455197.1471895847665.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Gary, ? Here is a good read on 6 meter and VHF propagation in general.? http://www.uksmg.org/content/sporade.htm ? Jim, K9YC, has given you some very good info already. I have been active on 6 meters for probably the last 20 years, and have not seen any drastic differences in propagation on 6 between sunspot highs and lows. Although the "prime" sporadic E time frame historically is?spring and summer months, I have actually worked western EU in December on a couple of occasions. As I remember, that happened during this sunspot high during the first peak.? My biggest antenna has been a 3 element at about 40'. I will admit, there was propagation in the past, during the first sunspot peak of this cycle, to JA land that guys around me in the Midwest were working that I could not even hear. Long boom antennas up high with power! ? As Jim mentioned, you are closer to the action from the east coast to EU. I saw many posts a few weeks ago of EU action on 6 meters from the NE states. Did not hear most of those signals here in the Chicago area. ? Put up a 3 element and give it a try! ? 73 Gene N9TF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Smith" To: "elecraft" Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 11:32:42 AM Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6 meter DX activity in sunspot low I've made exactly five 6M contacts in the last 36 years, all of them a couple months ago during Field Day with my K3s. It piqued my interest as I have DXCC from 160 through 10 & this would offer a new challenge. I discovered DXEngineering has a 3 element, 6M add on that attaches to a tribander and gives decent gain. Considering my tribander is roof mounted on a ranch, I won't have a great antenna for 6 no matter how I slice it. Still, if there is something worthwhile I can do with 6M, I should. So my question is for those who have operated 6M for years and know how the band works during the lows of the sunspot cycle; is it like 17 & up where any DX openings are unobtanium, or does 6M behave differently at sunspot lows and DX openings are common? Thanks & 73, Gary KA1J ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n9tf at comcast.net From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Aug 22 16:08:11 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:08:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-3 upgrade question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31359D60-27AA-427D-B39C-F4306DC46CCA@widomaker.com> Well assuming you have all the mods, you should have the assembly manuals as well. I'll assume you are replacing the Synth board, the Full coverage mod, the KIO3B, the KPA3A and the KAT3A. Not having books in front of me, remembering the assembly, I would remove Top and Both Bottom panels. Also the Side Panel with handle. Now remove everything you have a replacement for. You may need to remove other side panel and back as well. See what access you need for removal. Now re-assemble your radio in the reverse order of removal . Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 22, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Louis Ives wrote: > > I have received all the necessary parts to begin updating my K-3 to K-3s. My K-3 has all options except the second receiver. I need to know if there is a suggested sequence to perform the updating. I am trying to not have to remove items more than once if at all possible. > > > PSent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Aug 22 17:03:10 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 14:03:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-3 upgrade question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doing more than one install at a time is quite possible and can be a significant saving of time and effort. But to a certain extent, you will be synthesizing your own instructions. All of these installs break down into three phases: Disassembly, install, and reassembly. The way I like to approach the task is to do all the disassemblies first. This gets the most buried component exposed. Do the install for that component, and any other, less buried components where it seems to make sense. Start reassembly and install an other components when they seem to make sense. After you have completed most of the reassembly, you can power the radio, perform any settings called for in the install manuals, and test everything. When something doesn't work, try to figure out why. The trouble shooting guide in the K3 manual can be a big help here. In my trips into the depths of my K3 I have encountered TMP cables not completely plugged in (caused low output on the 2M transverter), used the wrong wiring diagram for the TMP cables with the new synthesizer boards (caused total failure to work), and a unplugged TMP cable to the second receiver (which didn't work as a result). Notice a pattern. Be careful with your TMP cables. Some of these I was able to resolve myself and some were resolved with the aid of Elecraft tech support (Thanks!). Enjoy working on your radio. Working on it is a lot more fun than shipping it off for the upgrades. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/22/16 at 12:37 PM, hotrod541 at hotmail.com (Louis Ives) wrote: >I have received all the necessary parts to begin updating my >K-3 to K-3s. My K-3 has all options except the second >receiver. I need to know if there is a suggested sequence to >perform the updating. I am trying to not have to remove items >more than once if at all possible. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 22 17:24:37 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 17:24:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-3 upgrade question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would suggest you start by removing the top and front bottom covers as well as the left side panel. Then remove the subRX assembly. You can install the new synthesizer boards at that point - do not put the subRX back in until you finish the other upgrades. Then you have a choice - deal with the Front Panel and DSP assembly or deal with the parts in the rear. If you have an older K3 and need to do the 'gold pin' replacement on the PA, you will end up removing the entire rear panel - so do the 1 amp increased current for the rear panel AUX 12V while you have the rear panel off. You can also do the KIO3B install with the rear panel off. If you are doing the KBPF3 upgrade, do that next, and do the KBPF3 in the subRX if that option exists. While you have it open, there are other upgrades to the RF Board - 2 associated with the audio amp and several others. You did not state how old this K3 is, so I don't know if you need to install these other mod kits and Application Notes. If you have a very high confidence level in your ability to put it all back together correctly, you can be successful in "doing it all at once". However if your memory of "which part fits where" is not excellent, I suggest just doing the upgrades one at a time - and follow the instructions for each (but do not re-install the subRX and top/bottom panels until all the other upgrades are completed). After you have upgraded 2 of them, you will be equipped to easily "do it all at once", but be cautious doing it for the first time, and "do it by the instructions" to be on the safe side. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/22/2016 3:37 PM, Louis Ives wrote: > I have received all the necessary parts to begin updating my K-3 to K-3s. My K-3 has all options except the second receiver. I need to know if there is a suggested sequence to perform the updating. I am trying to not have to remove items more than once if at all possible. > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 22 17:34:06 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 17:34:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-3 upgrade question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry for the misinformation below - change KIO3B to KXV3B. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/22/2016 5:24 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > You can also do the KIO3B install with the rear panel off. > From g8tkv at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 22 17:36:01 2016 From: g8tkv at yahoo.co.uk (alan) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 21:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 148, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1218138161.509560.1471901761547.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Richard and all, A genuine query, not a diplomatic contrary view. In the UK and many Eu countries the licence does not specify any mode or any frequency assignments within the basic amateur band. It is lawful to use any mode anywhere provided only that it is wholly contained within the licensed amateur bands, reasonably clean and within licence power limits.? We rely on the IARU R1 Band Plan which is well complied with.? If the FCC adopted a mode agnostic approach how much of a threat does it really pose? 73? Alan? G0HIQ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 13:14:57 -0500 From: Richard Thorne To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] RM-11708: CW and RTTY users please read Message-ID: <36140384-b11f-abd4-4ce4-367c5c5a0c6e at rthorne.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed To all CW/RTTY users... RM-11708, as currently written/proposed, will have a detrimental and negative impact on the cw/rtty sub-bands. From w2lj at verizon.net Mon Aug 22 18:48:31 2016 From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry W2LJ) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 18:48:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skeeter Hunt is over - what now? Message-ID: I've been getting several e-mails - "How do you want my log?" Short answer? I don't! Please ..... no adif, cabrillo, csv files. What I do want is your log summary. It' s real easy to send and I'll include the following exmaple (mine): Larry - W2LJ -TR23 - (Name, Call, Location) Skeeter #13 - All CW - (Skeeter # and the mode you worked, CW/SSB/Mixed) Single Op - (Single Op, Multi Op, Multi-multi Op) Skeeter QSOs - 39 - (# of Skeeter QSOs) Non-Skeeter QRP QSOs - 1 (# of Non-Skeeter, but QRP QSOs) Non-Skeeter QRO QSOs - 1 (# of Non-Skeeter QRPO QSOS - NPOTA activators may have had a lot of these) S/P/Cs or NPOTA Designators - 25 (# of staes, provinnces, countries, NPOTA entities that you worked) Station Class Multiplier X4 (See da rules fror the categories) NPOTA Bonus - 100 points (If you activated an NPOTA you get an extra 100 points! See, I told ya to!) If you do the math correctly (gotta love spreadsheets and formulas!), you'll se my total was 12,100 points. Log summaries are due by the end of the Sunday before Labor Day. Please remember to include your Soapbox comments and photos if you have 'em. I know that a lot of us in the QRP Community "know" each other; but one of the best things about these Outdoor QRP Sprints is to see how you operated and where you operated from. Please feel free to share, they will appear on the Skeeter Hunt Soapbox page. I will do my best to post the scores on Labor Day and follow up with Soapbox comments a week or so, later. And once again, thanks to all of you who make this possible and thanks to the New Jersey QRP Club for their sponsorship! 72 de Larry W2LJ NJQRP Skeeter Hunt Manager - Skeeter # 13 From josh at voodoolab.com Mon Aug 22 22:27:22 2016 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 19:27:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6 meter DX activity in sunspot low In-Reply-To: <57BB292A.9942.3899A3E6@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <57BB292A.9942.3899A3E6@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <9168e8b0-26a6-6119-25b0-40aa67ab6cde@voodoolab.com> This site shows 6m spots on a map in real time: http://www.dxmaps.com/spots/map.php Listen/watch for beacons 50.060-50.080. 73, Josh W6XU From dl2ydp at mail.ru Tue Aug 23 02:26:17 2016 From: dl2ydp at mail.ru (Roger) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 23:26:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K-3 upgrade question In-Reply-To: <31359D60-27AA-427D-B39C-F4306DC46CCA@widomaker.com> References: <31359D60-27AA-427D-B39C-F4306DC46CCA@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <1471933577289-7621749.post@n2.nabble.com> Well assuming you have all the mods, you should have the assembly manuals as well. I'll assume you are replacing the Synth board, the Full coverage mod, the KIO3B, the KPA3A and the KAT3A. Is it possible . , , KPA3A -> K3? 73, Roger -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K-3-upgrade-question-tp7621740p7621749.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dl1sdz at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 03:45:36 2016 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 09:45:36 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] [Px3] Display Text Decoding on the screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I am considering to buy additionally to my Kx3/Px3 Combo a K3/P3 Station. After reading the P3 manual up and down I found no way to switch on text decode display on the P3 screen without installing P3SVGA. Did I miss something or do I have to buy the additional option. 73 de Hajo DL1SDZ --- Cela est bien dit, ...,mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 23 07:38:25 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 07:38:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] [Px3] Display Text Decoding on the screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <324a83d7-540c-22d3-530a-30cc989a1361@embarqmail.com> Hajo, You must buy the P3SVGA to obtain the text display. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/23/2016 3:45 AM, Hajo Dezelski wrote: > I am considering to buy additionally to my Kx3/Px3 Combo a K3/P3 Station. > After reading the P3 manual up and down I found no way to switch on text > decode display on the P3 screen without installing P3SVGA. > From n1nk at cox.net Tue Aug 23 07:48:52 2016 From: n1nk at cox.net (Jim Spears) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 07:48:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] assembly issue Message-ID: <002301d1fd34$522f18c0$f68d4a40$@net> I am assembling KX3 s/n 9112 and have run into an interesting snag. On page 30 where I mount the shield onto the RF board, when I removed the protective back from the shield, all of the stickum came with it. Now there is not enough stickum to hold the shield onto the RF board. I need a safe work around. Elmer's glue? Please reply directly as I get the digest and might not see the next digest until late today or tomorrow depending on message traffic load. Jim/N1NK N1NK at cox.net From dl1sdz at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 08:23:05 2016 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 14:23:05 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] [Px3] Display Text Decoding on the screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, And a big thank you to all who have responded and saved me a lot of money. The Kx3 and the K3 without waterfall etc. are in my eyes part of the fun which I don't want to miss anymore. So I thought that the wealth of features on the Px3 would be implemented on the P3 too, but obviously not. I would not like to have an additional computer running to get e.g. the decodes. So I will patiently wait until the Px3 features are implemented in the P3. Until then I use my Super combo. 73 de Hajo DL1SDZ --- Cela est bien dit, ...,mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Aug 23 09:29:19 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 09:29:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] [Px3] Display Text Decoding on the screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F096A8C-EF49-451D-8351-BB41D270D1A4@widomaker.com> The option displays on an external SVGA display. You can not display decoded text on the P3, ever. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 23, 2016, at 3:45 AM, Hajo Dezelski wrote: > > Hello, > > I am considering to buy additionally to my Kx3/Px3 Combo a K3/P3 Station. > After reading the P3 manual up and down I found no way to switch on text > decode display on the P3 screen without installing P3SVGA. > > Did I miss something or do I have to buy the additional option. > > 73 de > Hajo DL1SDZ > > --- > Cela est bien dit, ...,mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From k1htv at comcast.net Tue Aug 23 10:18:47 2016 From: k1htv at comcast.net (Rich - K1HTV) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 14:18:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT - 6 meter DX activity in sunspot low In-Reply-To: <1409416453.1120213.1471961518765.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1048155074.1132177.1471961927865.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Gary, The solar sunspot cycle, primarily effects F2 and TEP propagation on 6 Meters. A low sunspot number should have no effect on the E-skip (Es) propagation that occurs primarily during the summer months and secondarily during a minor Es peak during winter. I wouldn't worry too much about a 3 element add on 6M yagi mounted on your ranch. If you can get it up around 30 feet you should do very well during the upcoming Es seasons, especially if you live up in New England. After retiring from VOA and moving from our MD QTH to VA, for 3 years I ran a barefoot K3 to a porch mounted yagi. The yagi was 20 ft above the ground. During the years between 2009 and 2012 I worked 65 countries on 6 Meters. Those were very good Es years for summer 50 MHz DXing. Since then the summer Es propagation, while producing plenty of 6M DX, has been poorer for my area than the period I mentioned. The one thing you can expect as we approach the solar minimum is that each summer there will be plenty of Es openings and DX, at least for the northeastern U.S. where you live. The folks in the Mid-West and left coast won't get anywhere near the amount of DX, but they will have their good days when the MAGIC BAND does its magic. The thing you need to remember about DXing on 6 Meters is that you must be constantly aware of what is happening on the band or you will miss the DX openings. Remember, you snooze, you loose. You can keep in tune as to what is happening on 6 Meters by going to DXMAPS.COM and the ON4KST 50 MHz Region 2 chat page. The later requires that you register (free) before you can use it. Remember, that there is much more than Es SSB and QSos on the band. Many folks are using the digital modes (JT65A, FSK441, etc.) to make QSOs even when there is no Es propagation. Have fun on the Magic Band. 73, Rich - K1HTV www.qrz.com/db/K1HTV = = = Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > > I've made exactly five 6M contacts in the last 36 years, all of them > a couple months ago during Field Day with my K3s. It piqued my > interest as I have DXCC from 160 through 10 & this would offer a new > challenge. > > I discovered DXEngineering has a 3 element, 6M add on that attaches > to a tribander and gives decent gain. Considering my tribander is > roof mounted on a ranch, I won't have a great antenna for 6 no matter > how I slice it. Still, if there is something worthwhile I can do with > 6M, I should. > > So my question is for those who have operated 6M for years and know > how the band works during the lows of the sunspot cycle; is it like > 17 & up where any DX openings are unobtanium, or does 6M behave > differently at sunspot lows and DX openings are common? > > Thanks & 73, > > Gary > KA1J > _____ From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Aug 23 10:37:46 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 07:37:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] [Px3] Display Text Decoding on the screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Text decode was added after the original design of the P3. That was added using the P3SVGA. The PX3 was designed years later, and had decode built in. If you are waiting for the P3 to have text decode without the P3SVGA, you may have a very long wait. Like forever. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 23, 2016, at 5:23 AM, Hajo Dezelski wrote: > > Hello, > > And a big thank you to all who have responded and saved me a lot of money. > > The Kx3 and the K3 without waterfall etc. are in my eyes part of the fun > which I don't want to miss anymore. So I thought that the wealth of > features on the Px3 would be implemented on the P3 too, but obviously not. > I would not like to have an additional computer running to get e.g. the > decodes. So I will patiently wait until the Px3 features are implemented in > the P3. Until then I use my Super combo. > > 73 de > Hajo DL1SDZ > > --- > Cela est bien dit, ...,mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From dl1sdz at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 11:23:32 2016 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:23:32 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] [Px3] Display Text Decoding on the screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Walter and the others, So this explains the performance differences between Px3 and P3 . I don't want to miss the functionality of the Px3, so I fear I have to shovel a longer time money into the corner to fulfill my dream. 73 de Hajo DL1SDZ --- Cela est bien dit, ...,mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. Am 23.08.2016 16:38 schrieb "Walter Underwood" : > Text decode was added after the original design of the P3. That was added > using the P3SVGA. > > The PX3 was designed years later, and had decode built in. > > If you are waiting for the P3 to have text decode without the P3SVGA, you > may have a very long wait. Like forever. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > On Aug 23, 2016, at 5:23 AM, Hajo Dezelski wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > And a big thank you to all who have responded and saved me a lot of > money. > > > > The Kx3 and the K3 without waterfall etc. are in my eyes part of the fun > > which I don't want to miss anymore. So I thought that the wealth of > > features on the Px3 would be implemented on the P3 too, but obviously > not. > > I would not like to have an additional computer running to get e.g. the > > decodes. So I will patiently wait until the Px3 features are implemented > in > > the P3. Until then I use my Super combo. > > > > 73 de > > Hajo DL1SDZ > > > > --- > > Cela est bien dit, ...,mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dl1sdz at gmail.com > From ed.n5dg at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 11:40:52 2016 From: ed.n5dg at gmail.com (Ed Stallman) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 10:40:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] a bit OT N1MM not following mode Message-ID: <770eecc8-d915-2042-c8e9-34f9ee2d8776@gmail.com> I sent the to the N1MM plus group and they seem to think it a setting in my K3 What's happening here is when I log a station on SSB , N1MM plus will log it as CW . But not every time , sometimes it logs correctly . It will do this in reverse also , logging a Q in CW will log as SSB I'm sure I've changed a setting because N1MM has work great for me the past 10 or so years. I've been chasing this for the past week I'm using N1MM as a general log for working DX No contesting Under Config / Mode control , I have set to Use Radio Mode Under File / Open Log Database / Mode is set to SSB+CW Anyone have an idea what setting I should change , N1MM or the K3 Tnx Ed N5DG --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From K2TK at att.net Tue Aug 23 11:17:05 2016 From: K2TK at att.net (Bob) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 11:17:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] assembly issue In-Reply-To: <002301d1fd34$522f18c0$f68d4a40$@net> References: <002301d1fd34$522f18c0$f68d4a40$@net> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Check Lowe's or Home Depot. They will have some double sided tape. May call it carpet tape. 73, Bob K2TK On 8/23/2016 7:48 AM, Jim Spears wrote: > I am assembling KX3 s/n 9112 and have run into an interesting snag. On page > 30 where I mount the shield onto the RF board, when I removed the protective > back from the shield, all of the stickum came with it. Now there is not > enough stickum to hold the shield onto the RF board. > > > > I need a safe work around. Elmer's glue? > > > > Please reply directly as I get the digest and might not see the next digest > until late today or tomorrow depending on message traffic load. > > > > Jim/N1NK > > N1NK at cox.net > > From kengkopp at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 11:55:56 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 09:55:56 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] assembly issue In-Reply-To: References: <002301d1fd34$522f18c0$f68d4a40$@net> Message-ID: Staples and other such stores sell double-sided Scotch tape ... much thinner than "carpet tape". 73 K0PP On Aug 23, 2016 9:47 AM, "Bob" wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Check Lowe's or Home Depot. They will have some double sided > tape. May call it carpet tape. > > 73, > > Bob > > K2TK > > > On 8/23/2016 7:48 AM, Jim Spears wrote: > >> I am assembling KX3 s/n 9112 and have run into an interesting snag. On >> page >> 30 where I mount the shield onto the RF board, when I removed the >> protective >> back from the shield, all of the stickum came with it. Now there is not >> enough stickum to hold the shield onto the RF board. >> >> >> I need a safe work around. Elmer's glue? >> >> >> Please reply directly as I get the digest and might not see the next >> digest >> until late today or tomorrow depending on message traffic load. >> >> >> Jim/N1NK >> >> N1NK at cox.net >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From phystad at mac.com Tue Aug 23 12:23:42 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 09:23:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] assembly issue In-Reply-To: References: <002301d1fd34$522f18c0$f68d4a40$@net> Message-ID: <787E041F-C7A2-4696-A0E3-26D75326A9EC@mac.com> Why wouldn't a call to Elecraft support be the very first ?solution? sought for this problem? 73, phil, K7PEH > On Aug 23, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Staples and other such stores sell double-sided Scotch tape ... much > thinner than "carpet tape". > > 73 > > K0PP > > On Aug 23, 2016 9:47 AM, "Bob" wrote: > >> Hi Jim, >> >> Check Lowe's or Home Depot. They will have some double sided >> tape. May call it carpet tape. >> >> 73, >> >> Bob >> >> K2TK >> >> >> On 8/23/2016 7:48 AM, Jim Spears wrote: >> >>> I am assembling KX3 s/n 9112 and have run into an interesting snag. On >>> page >>> 30 where I mount the shield onto the RF board, when I removed the >>> protective >>> back from the shield, all of the stickum came with it. Now there is not >>> enough stickum to hold the shield onto the RF board. >>> >>> >>> I need a safe work around. Elmer's glue? >>> >>> >>> Please reply directly as I get the digest and might not see the next >>> digest >>> until late today or tomorrow depending on message traffic load. >>> >>> >>> Jim/N1NK >>> >>> N1NK at cox.net >>> >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From kengkopp at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 12:41:22 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 10:41:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] assembly issue In-Reply-To: <787E041F-C7A2-4696-A0E3-26D75326A9EC@mac.com> References: <002301d1fd34$522f18c0$f68d4a40$@net> <787E041F-C7A2-4696-A0E3-26D75326A9EC@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Phil! If it was me ... and I was about finished with the build ... I be looking for a "local" solution to a small problem rather than wait for Elecraft to respond ... likely by mail ... and no new radio to enjoy for what would likely be days of waiting. K0PP On Aug 23, 2016 10:23, "Phil Hystad" wrote: > Why wouldn't a call to Elecraft support be the very first ?solution? > sought for > this problem? > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > > > On Aug 23, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > > > Staples and other such stores sell double-sided Scotch tape ... much > > thinner than "carpet tape". > > > > 73 > > > > K0PP > > > > On Aug 23, 2016 9:47 AM, "Bob" wrote: > > > >> Hi Jim, > >> > >> Check Lowe's or Home Depot. They will have some double sided > >> tape. May call it carpet tape. > >> > >> 73, > >> > >> Bob > >> > >> K2TK > >> > >> > >> On 8/23/2016 7:48 AM, Jim Spears wrote: > >> > >>> I am assembling KX3 s/n 9112 and have run into an interesting snag. On > >>> page > >>> 30 where I mount the shield onto the RF board, when I removed the > >>> protective > >>> back from the shield, all of the stickum came with it. Now there is > not > >>> enough stickum to hold the shield onto the RF board. > >>> > >>> > >>> I need a safe work around. Elmer's glue? > >>> > >>> > >>> Please reply directly as I get the digest and might not see the next > >>> digest > >>> until late today or tomorrow depending on message traffic load. > >>> > >>> > >>> Jim/N1NK > >>> > >>> N1NK at cox.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Aug 23 12:55:31 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 09:55:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod LEDs and AUX outputs can now be controlled from macros -- looking for testers Message-ID: Hi all, We have new field-test firmware ready that gives the K-Pod user full control over the unit's 4 LEDs and 3 AUX outputs. If you have a K-Pod and would like to test this capability, please email me directly. You'll new to install new firmware on your K-Pod and K3. See detailed information below. 73, Wayne N6KR * * * Details: The new firmware allows K-Pod LEDs and AUX outputs to be controlled directly by commands embedded in K3 macros (command sequences). These macros are created using K3 Utility and sent to the radio. This is a very flexible and convenient technique, since K3 macros are already used to customize K-Pod switches for radio control. Two new commands are now available that directly control the K-Pod: KPOUTnON|OFF; (where is 1-3) KPLEDnON|OFF; (where is 1-4 or 'R' for rocker switch LED D1-D3 control enable/disable) The above commands can be added to any K3 switch macro to control K-Pod resources. Example #1: K-Pod switch F1 controls AUX output 1, with state indicated by LED D4 This might be used to control an external antenna switch, amplifier, transverter, etc. Two switch functions are assigned: F1-TAP to turn AUX output #1 on, and F1-HOLD to turn it off. As discussed in the K-Pod owner's manual, K3 macros 9-16 correspond to K-Pod switch F1-F8 tap, and K3 macros 1-8 correspond to K-Pod switch F1-F8 hold. So in this case we need to set up macro 9 (F1-TAP) and macro 1 (F1-HOLD): Macro 9: KPOUT1ON;KPLED4ON; Macro 1: KPOUT1OFF;KPLED4OFF; When a K-Pod AUX output is "ON", it acts as a contact closure to ground that can be used to turn on a relay, etc. When "OFF", it is high-impedanced. Refer to the K-Pod owner's manual for voltage and current limits. Example #2: K-Pod switches F1 and F2 control RIT, with state indicated by LED D4 K-Pod LED and AUX out commands can be combined with any other K3 commands. In this example, we use F1-TAP to turn RIT ON and F2-TAP to turn RIT OFF, and use LED D4 to show RIT on/off state: Macro 9: RT1;KPLED4ON; Macro 10: RT0;KPLED4OFF; Example #3: Overriding rocker switch control of LEDs D1/D2/D3 By default, the K-Pod rocker switch's position is indicated by LEDs D1 (VFO A), D2 (VFO B), and D3 (RIT/XIT offset). It is possible to override this so you can use D1/D2/D3 for your own purposes. As with other K-Pod LED controls, you do this by adding a K-Pod command to a K3 macro. The command to override rocker switch D1-D3 control is: KPLEDROFF; ('R' = Rocker switch) You only need to send this command to the K3 once, since the K3 remembers the states of all K-Pod LED and AUX output controls across power-down/up cycles. However, you can put this command in every macro if you wish -- it won't cause any problems. Once you've overridden the rocker switch's control of D1 through D3, you can use individual LED control commands for these, such as: KPLED1ON; KPLED2OFF; LEDs D1-D3 are all either controlled by the rocker switch or by the user; you can't break them up for individual control. To restore control of LEDs D1-D3 to the rocker switch, send the command: KPLEDRON; NOTE: K-Pod LED and AUX output commands executed directly from the K3 Utility "Command Tester" can take up to 2 seconds to be reflected at the K-Pod. But when these commands are embedded in macros and are executed by tapping K-Pod switches, they normally take only 200 milliseconds to complete. To ensure this, we recommend always putting K-Pod commands at the beginning of macros rather than at the end. This way, the K-Pod will be updated quickly even if the radio itself is busy doing a band change or other lengthy operation. There are many other possibilities beyond those shown above. Nearly any radio feature can now be controlled from the K-Pod, and have its state reflected in a K-Pod LED and/or AUX output. It is even possible to write self-modifying macros that allow a single switch to alternately turn a function on and off. Please share your K-Pod macro ideas with the group. From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Aug 23 13:32:44 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 10:32:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] assembly issue In-Reply-To: References: <002301d1fd34$522f18c0$f68d4a40$@net> <787E041F-C7A2-4696-A0E3-26D75326A9EC@mac.com> Message-ID: <149BB3DD-C6D6-46E2-A27D-A815FCF7A6AE@wunderwood.org> I would buy a tube of ?contact cement? and use a very thin layer. Not a lot of room in there. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 23, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Hi Phil! > > If it was me ... and I was about finished with the build ... I be looking > for a "local" > solution to a small problem rather than wait for Elecraft to respond ... > likely by mail ... and no new radio to enjoy for what would likely be days > of waiting. > > K0PP > > On Aug 23, 2016 10:23, "Phil Hystad" wrote: > >> Why wouldn't a call to Elecraft support be the very first ?solution? >> sought for >> this problem? >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >> >>> On Aug 23, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >>> >>> Staples and other such stores sell double-sided Scotch tape ... much >>> thinner than "carpet tape". >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> K0PP >>> >>> On Aug 23, 2016 9:47 AM, "Bob" wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Jim, >>>> >>>> Check Lowe's or Home Depot. They will have some double sided >>>> tape. May call it carpet tape. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> K2TK >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/23/2016 7:48 AM, Jim Spears wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am assembling KX3 s/n 9112 and have run into an interesting snag. On >>>>> page >>>>> 30 where I mount the shield onto the RF board, when I removed the >>>>> protective >>>>> back from the shield, all of the stickum came with it. Now there is >> not >>>>> enough stickum to hold the shield onto the RF board. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I need a safe work around. Elmer's glue? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please reply directly as I get the digest and might not see the next >>>>> digest >>>>> until late today or tomorrow depending on message traffic load. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jim/N1NK >>>>> >>>>> N1NK at cox.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From w4nz at comcast.net Tue Aug 23 14:28:43 2016 From: w4nz at comcast.net (Ted Bryant) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 14:28:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] a bit OT N1MM not following mode In-Reply-To: <770eecc8-d915-2042-c8e9-34f9ee2d8776@gmail.com> References: <770eecc8-d915-2042-c8e9-34f9ee2d8776@gmail.com> Message-ID: <009e01d1fd6c$2e1b6e60$8a524b20$@comcast.net> Ed, I never saw your response to Rich VE3KI's questions on the N1MM group regarding N1MM tracking the K3's frequency. Establishing whether the radio and logging software are communicating properly is basic to solving your dilemma. Here are Rich's questions: "Is rig control working, i.e. when you change frequency on the radio does the frequency in the program (title bar of the Entry window, top of the Bandmap window) follow the radio? If you change frequency in the program (Ctrl+PgUp/PgDn or the Band Panel buttons to change bands, or type a frequency in kHz into the Entry window and press Enter) does the frequency in the radio follow the program? 73, Rich VE3KI" 73, Ted W4NZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ed Stallman Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 11:41 AM To: Elecraft Mailing List Subject: [Elecraft] a bit OT N1MM not following mode I sent the to the N1MM plus group and they seem to think it a setting in my K3 What's happening here is when I log a station on SSB , N1MM plus will log it as CW . But not every time , sometimes it logs correctly . It will do this in reverse also , logging a Q in CW will log as SSB I'm sure I've changed a setting because N1MM has work great for me the past 10 or so years. I've been chasing this for the past week I'm using N1MM as a general log for working DX No contesting Under Config / Mode control , I have set to Use Radio Mode Under File / Open Log Database / Mode is set to SSB+CW Anyone have an idea what setting I should change , N1MM or the K3 Tnx Ed N5DG From kz5d at aol.com Tue Aug 23 18:07:41 2016 From: kz5d at aol.com (Art) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 18:07:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Setting up different Macros for two K-3s Message-ID: <156b971d77d-4249-d4b@webprd-a84.mail.aol.com> I have two K-3 radios in an SO2R set-up. I would like to use separate Macros for each one. How do I accomplish this? Using the latest K-3 utility I can enter up to 16 with my K-pod. But I don't want to use the same ones on the second radio. Thanks. Art KZ5D From pa0pje at xs4all.nl Tue Aug 23 18:52:41 2016 From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 00:52:41 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] [Px3] Display Text Decoding on the screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Hajo, As far as I know (I do not have a K3/P3) the SVGA-card is an addition to the P3 that enables connection of a separate monitor. To my knowledge there is no need for a running computer. 73, Peter Op 2016-08-23 om 14:23 schreef Hajo Dezelski: > I would not like to have an additional computer running to get e.g. the > decodes. From k9yeq at live.com Tue Aug 23 19:08:26 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 18:08:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] [Px3] Display Text Decoding on the screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Correct, is for a separate display! Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE) Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 5:53 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [P3] [Px3] Display Text Decoding on the screen Hi Hajo, As far as I know (I do not have a K3/P3) the SVGA-card is an addition to the P3 that enables connection of a separate monitor. To my knowledge there is no need for a running computer. 73, Peter Op 2016-08-23 om 14:23 schreef Hajo Dezelski: > I would not like to have an additional computer running to get e.g. > the decodes. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 23 19:15:35 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 19:15:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] [Px3] Display Text Decoding on the screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2e724c1f-d752-39d8-8d1e-f4927598d654@embarqmail.com> Hajo, If you have not concluded by now from the various posts, the text decode for the P3 does not appear on the P3 display. With the P3SVGA option, text can be displayed on the attached SVGA display, and keyboard text will also be displayed and transmitted. You do not need a computer, just an SVGA monitor. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/23/2016 3:45 AM, Hajo Dezelski wrote: > Hello, > > I am considering to buy additionally to my Kx3/Px3 Combo a K3/P3 Station. > After reading the P3 manual up and down I found no way to switch on text > decode display on the P3 screen without installing P3SVGA. > > Did I miss something or do I have to buy the additional option. > > From wa9mag at ameritech.net Tue Aug 23 20:04:29 2016 From: wa9mag at ameritech.net (Larry P. Greenberg) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 19:04:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded K3 and MMTTY Message-ID: <59CB576BE00A49F4AB8AEFFF70799E05@LenovoG560> I want to take this opportunity to thank everyone who responded on and off the reflector regarding my dilemma with upgrading the I/O boards (KIO3BUPKT) in the K3 and MMTTY not recognizing the new, internal soundcard. I would like to especially thank Don, W3FPR for coming up with the final answer and not letting go of the problem until it was solved. Larry, WA9MAG From phystad at mac.com Tue Aug 23 22:19:50 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 19:19:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] assembly issue In-Reply-To: References: <002301d1fd34$522f18c0$f68d4a40$@net> <787E041F-C7A2-4696-A0E3-26D75326A9EC@mac.com> Message-ID: <1A9EA4CC-1D59-4A10-9100-E5B63822C2BC@mac.com> I am never in that much of a rush. I have lots of things to do, some of which have priority over ham radio anyway. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Aug 23, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Hi Phil! > > If it was me ... and I was about finished with the build ... I be looking for a "local" > solution to a small problem rather than wait for Elecraft to respond ... likely by mail ... and no new radio to enjoy for what would likely be days of waiting. > > K0PP > > > On Aug 23, 2016 10:23, "Phil Hystad" > wrote: > Why wouldn't a call to Elecraft support be the very first ?solution? sought for > this problem? > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > > > On Aug 23, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Ken G Kopp > wrote: > > > > Staples and other such stores sell double-sided Scotch tape ... much > > thinner than "carpet tape". > > > > 73 > > > > K0PP > > > > On Aug 23, 2016 9:47 AM, "Bob" > wrote: > > > >> Hi Jim, > >> > >> Check Lowe's or Home Depot. They will have some double sided > >> tape. May call it carpet tape. > >> > >> 73, > >> > >> Bob > >> > >> K2TK > >> > >> > >> On 8/23/2016 7:48 AM, Jim Spears wrote: > >> > >>> I am assembling KX3 s/n 9112 and have run into an interesting snag. On > >>> page > >>> 30 where I mount the shield onto the RF board, when I removed the > >>> protective > >>> back from the shield, all of the stickum came with it. Now there is not > >>> enough stickum to hold the shield onto the RF board. > >>> > >>> > >>> I need a safe work around. Elmer's glue? > >>> > >>> > >>> Please reply directly as I get the digest and might not see the next > >>> digest > >>> until late today or tomorrow depending on message traffic load. > >>> > >>> > >>> Jim/N1NK > >>> > >>> N1NK at cox.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Aug 23 22:33:02 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 19:33:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] assembly issue In-Reply-To: <1A9EA4CC-1D59-4A10-9100-E5B63822C2BC@mac.com> References: <002301d1fd34$522f18c0$f68d4a40$@net> <787E041F-C7A2-4696-A0E3-26D75326A9EC@mac.com> <1A9EA4CC-1D59-4A10-9100-E5B63822C2BC@mac.com> Message-ID: Utter heresy, Phil :-):-) 73, Phil W7OX On 8/23/16 19:19 , Phil Hystad wrote: > I am never in that much of a rush. I have lots of things to do, some of which > have priority over ham radio anyway. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > >> On Aug 23, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> >> Hi Phil! >> >> If it was me ... and I was about finished with the build ... I be looking for a "local" >> solution to a small problem rather than wait for Elecraft to respond ... likely by mail ... and no new radio to enjoy for what would likely be days of waiting. >> >> K0PP >> >> >> On Aug 23, 2016 10:23, "Phil Hystad" > wrote: >> Why wouldn't a call to Elecraft support be the very first ?solution? sought for >> this problem? >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >> >>> On Aug 23, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Ken G Kopp > wrote: >>> >>> Staples and other such stores sell double-sided Scotch tape ... much >>> thinner than "carpet tape". >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> K0PP >>> >>> On Aug 23, 2016 9:47 AM, "Bob" > wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Jim, >>>> >>>> Check Lowe's or Home Depot. They will have some double sided >>>> tape. May call it carpet tape. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> K2TK >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/23/2016 7:48 AM, Jim Spears wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am assembling KX3 s/n 9112 and have run into an interesting snag. On >>>>> page >>>>> 30 where I mount the shield onto the RF board, when I removed the >>>>> protective >>>>> back from the shield, all of the stickum came with it. Now there is not >>>>> enough stickum to hold the shield onto the RF board. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I need a safe work around. Elmer's glue? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please reply directly as I get the digest and might not see the next >>>>> digest >>>>> until late today or tomorrow depending on message traffic load. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jim/N1NK >>>>> >>>>> N1NK at cox.net From n7dxtango at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 22:56:57 2016 From: n7dxtango at gmail.com (Gary Watson) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 20:56:57 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB Elelecraft N-Gen Noise Generator Message-ID: Hi, Starting to build my K2!!, so I am looking for a N-Gen wide band noise generator mini module. Built or un-built kit is fine. Thanks for looking Gary Watson; N7DXT From ron at cobi.biz Tue Aug 23 23:10:38 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 20:10:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB Elelecraft N-Gen Noise Generator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301d1fdb5$171e1390$455a3ab0$@biz> Since you are a "solder jockey" here's what I did. Tom N0SS (SK, unfortunately) added it to his great web site that has been maintained by others since his passing. http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/noise_generator_ac7ac-style.pdf All you need is a few parts available almost anywhere. Even a scrap of pc board will make a good "chassis". I happened to have a little plastic box from Tap Plastics. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Watson Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 7:57 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] WTB Elelecraft N-Gen Noise Generator Hi, Starting to build my K2!!, so I am looking for a N-Gen wide band noise generator mini module. Built or un-built kit is fine. Thanks for looking Gary Watson; N7DXT ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From phystad at mac.com Tue Aug 23 23:14:41 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 20:14:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] assembly issue In-Reply-To: References: <002301d1fd34$522f18c0$f68d4a40$@net> <787E041F-C7A2-4696-A0E3-26D75326A9EC@mac.com> <1A9EA4CC-1D59-4A10-9100-E5B63822C2BC@mac.com> Message-ID: <7B5F8CAA-6A7C-46A2-9ACD-3976A63B237C@mac.com> Yes, it is very easy for me to commit heresy on a ham radio forum. PEH > On Aug 23, 2016, at 7:33 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Utter heresy, Phil :-):-) > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 8/23/16 19:19 , Phil Hystad wrote: >> I am never in that much of a rush. I have lots of things to do, some of which >> have priority over ham radio anyway. >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> >> >>> On Aug 23, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: >>> >>> Hi Phil! >>> >>> If it was me ... and I was about finished with the build ... I be looking for a "local" >>> solution to a small problem rather than wait for Elecraft to respond ... likely by mail ... and no new radio to enjoy for what would likely be days of waiting. >>> >>> K0PP >>> >>> >>> On Aug 23, 2016 10:23, "Phil Hystad" > wrote: >>> Why wouldn't a call to Elecraft support be the very first ?solution? sought for >>> this problem? >>> >>> 73, phil, K7PEH >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 23, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Ken G Kopp > wrote: >>>> >>>> Staples and other such stores sell double-sided Scotch tape ... much >>>> thinner than "carpet tape". >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> K0PP >>>> >>>> On Aug 23, 2016 9:47 AM, "Bob" > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Jim, >>>>> >>>>> Check Lowe's or Home Depot. They will have some double sided >>>>> tape. May call it carpet tape. >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> K2TK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/23/2016 7:48 AM, Jim Spears wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am assembling KX3 s/n 9112 and have run into an interesting snag. On >>>>>> page >>>>>> 30 where I mount the shield onto the RF board, when I removed the >>>>>> protective >>>>>> back from the shield, all of the stickum came with it. Now there is not >>>>>> enough stickum to hold the shield onto the RF board. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I need a safe work around. Elmer's glue? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Please reply directly as I get the digest and might not see the next >>>>>> digest >>>>>> until late today or tomorrow depending on message traffic load. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim/N1NK >>>>>> >>>>>> N1NK at cox.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Aug 24 01:44:24 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:44:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] AM mode added to the KX2 Message-ID: <581AA54C-B9F0-4749-9921-09C3A2B979F1@elecraft.com> Hi all, We added AM mode to the KX2 today, both transmit and receive. Its primary purpose is for SWL (short-wave listening), i.e. copying commercial AM stations. (Remember that the KX2's sensitivity drops off rapidly below 2 MHz due to protective high-pass filtering, so it wouldn't be your first choice for AM brodcast-band DXing.) AM transmit is far less efficient than SSB, so it would typically be used only if the target receiver can't demodulate SSB, or for special applications. For example, there's some AM activity and experimentation in the ham bands, notably around 3.870 kHz at night. I'll have to drop in with 10 watts (carrier + sidebands) and get a report :) While the KX2 was optimized for SSB, AM mode sounds fine, and of course is easier to tune than when using SSB modes with AM. In AM mode, the operator can select 1, 5, 9, or 10 kHz steps for course tuning using the VFO CRS menu entry. (Yes, some countries use 9 kHz intervals between stations.) If you're interested in testing AM mode on the KX2, please email me directly. 73, Wayne N6KR From nz8j at woh.rr.com Wed Aug 24 08:13:40 2016 From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (nz8j) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 08:13:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for KX2 Message-ID: <5djvw68emb2lhc1rjhksmkct.1472040820720@email.android.com> Anyone have a KX2 they tried and are ready to pass on? Thought I would check here first before ordering a new one.ThanksTimNZ8J Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone From k4ynd at comcast.net Wed Aug 24 09:04:40 2016 From: k4ynd at comcast.net (k4ynd at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 13:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 with a random wire for 80 meters In-Reply-To: <448776658.5785128.1472043613109.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2012959946.5790240.1472043880931.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> I am going to work the Ohio QSO party with QRP(I'm in VA)and would like to get on 80. I will be operating from the dining room table by the sliding glass door to the back yard. I'm thinking of either directly hooking a 84 ft and 17 ft counterpoise to the KX3 and running them outside, or using an AT200 Kenwood tuner with a 135 foot wire out into the back yard and a counterpoise hooked to ground of the AT200. What will work best for the KX3. ( I have the built in tuner) K4YND From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Aug 24 09:36:08 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 13:36:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Display Text Decoding on the screen Message-ID: And if the next question is whether you can use just one monitor toggled between the computer and the P3, the answer is yes. Many new monitors have built-in push-button source switching, or as I do you can use a small switchbox with SVGA/DB15 jacks. Switchboxes are available for very little money and can be used without pushing the monitor around. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [P3] [Px3] Display Text Decoding on the screen Hajo, If you have not concluded by now from the various posts, the text decode for the P3 does not appear on the P3 display. With the P3SVGA option, text can be displayed on the attached SVGA display, and keyboard text will also be displayed and transmitted. You do not need a computer, just an SVGA monitor. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/23/2016 3:45 AM, Hajo Dezelski wrote: > Hello, > > I am considering to buy additionally to my Kx3/Px3 Combo a K3/P3 Station. > After reading the P3 manual up and down I found no way to switch on text > decode display on the P3 screen without installing P3SVGA. > > Did I miss something or do I have to buy the additional option. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 24 09:47:18 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 09:47:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 with a random wire for 80 meters In-Reply-To: <2012959946.5790240.1472043880931.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <2012959946.5790240.1472043880931.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: Don, If your 135 foot radiator is center fed with either coax or parallel transmission line, it will work well on 80 meters. If you use parallel transmission line, it can easily be tuned for other bands as well. If you are thinking of feeding that 135 foot radiator from the end, in a word *don't*. It will have a very high feed impedance and you are not likely to be able to match it with the KX3 tuner, and the Kenwood AT200 tuner is not likely to match it either - the highest impedance that tuner will match is 500 ohms and an end fed halfwave antenna will have a feed impedance of about 4000 ohms. The 84 foot radiator with a 17 foot counterpoise would be a better choice, but other lengths will work well too. If you can manage it, use a balanced, center fed antenna, it is the easiest to deal with and will result in less RF-in-the-shack. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/24/2016 9:04 AM, k4ynd at comcast.net wrote: > I am going to work the Ohio QSO party with QRP(I'm in VA)and would like to get on 80. I will be operating from the dining room table by the sliding glass door to the back yard. I'm thinking of either directly hooking a 84 ft and 17 ft counterpoise to the KX3 and running them outside, or using an AT200 Kenwood tuner with a 135 foot wire out into the back yard and a counterpoise hooked to ground of the AT200. What will work best for the KX3. ( I have the built in tuner) > > From k2cm.george at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 10:42:45 2016 From: k2cm.george at gmail.com (george allen) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:42:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 with a random wire for 80 meters In-Reply-To: <2012959946.5790240.1472043880931.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <2012959946.5790240.1472043880931.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9F20EDC4-603C-474F-841E-6A7CCEDCFEF3@gmail.com> We have used some crazy antennas with our KX3s. N8NCR connected to my random length 100'+ antenna in the front yard, held the KX3 in his hand, no ground, and worked 20mtr SSB dx with 5x7 report. I used a 60' wire up 10' with a 50 wire counterpoise on the ground, from Rockville Md., and worked into Fla. and the east coast on 40 at dusk getting good reports. I suggest that you try different antennas and see what works best for you. George K2CM, NY Tioga County/Remote Broome County base Sent from my iPad > On Aug 24, 2016, at 9:04 AM, k4ynd at comcast.net wrote: > > I am going to work the Ohio QSO party with QRP(I'm in VA)and would like to get on 80. I will be operating from the dining room table by the sliding glass door to the back yard. I'm thinking of either directly hooking a 84 ft and 17 ft counterpoise to the KX3 and running them outside, or using an AT200 Kenwood tuner with a 135 foot wire out into the back yard and a counterpoise hooked to ground of the AT200. What will work best for the KX3. ( I have the built in tuner) > > K4YND > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2cm.george at gmail.com From w4sc at windstream.net Wed Aug 24 11:55:45 2016 From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 11:55:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX Paddles Message-ID: <7859E6D62FC04B038576C5FD55986776@z22z28> Received my KXDP2 about two weeks ago. I can report that I too have issue with contact adjustment. After reading Toms email, one of the contact posts was found to be loose. I cannot say the contact screws are becoming loose, as they were readjusted to correct the spacing issue caused by the post being loose. Is there a fix I can perform ?in the field? to correct. de Ben W4SC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Aug 24 13:01:02 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:01:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 with a random wire for 80 meters In-Reply-To: <9F20EDC4-603C-474F-841E-6A7CCEDCFEF3@gmail.com> References: <2012959946.5790240.1472043880931.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <9F20EDC4-603C-474F-841E-6A7CCEDCFEF3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <356429da-92fc-327e-e2ec-647763a4efc7@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,8/24/2016 7:42 AM, george allen wrote: > I suggest that you try different antennas and see what works best for you. I'll make the radical suggestion to study the ARRL Antenna Book, the ON4UN book, and the antenna chapter in the ARRL Handbook. 73, Jim K9YC From w5sum at comcast.net Wed Aug 24 13:21:46 2016 From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 12:21:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 with a random wire for 80 meters In-Reply-To: <356429da-92fc-327e-e2ec-647763a4efc7@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <2012959946.5790240.1472043880931.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <9F20EDC4-603C-474F-841E-6A7CCEDCFEF3@gmail.com> <356429da-92fc-327e-e2ec-647763a4efc7@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <3DDA2450-61B4-4606-9AE6-400638A96BF6@comcast.net> I suggest an IDK loop! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Wed,8/24/2016 7:42 AM, george allen wrote: >> I suggest that you try different antennas and see what works best for you. > > I'll make the radical suggestion to study the ARRL Antenna Book, the ON4UN book, and the antenna chapter in the ARRL Handbook. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w5sum at comcast.net From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Wed Aug 24 20:13:42 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 17:13:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] [Px3] Display Text Decoding on the screen In-Reply-To: <5F096A8C-EF49-451D-8351-BB41D270D1A4@widomaker.com> References: <5F096A8C-EF49-451D-8351-BB41D270D1A4@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <1472084022801-7621782.post@n2.nabble.com> Can we get a little more in-depth technical explanation as to why the P3 can't display decoded text on its TFT-LCD display? Neither the P3SVGA nor PX3 decode text. They simply display text characters already decoded by the K3 and KX3, respectively. Why can't the P3 write the text decoded by the K3 to its TFT-LCD display? Is the P3 MIPS/memory-challenged? Joe KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Px3-Display-Text-Decoding-on-the-screen-tp7621750p7621782.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at jtmiller.com Wed Aug 24 20:20:36 2016 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 20:20:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macros? Message-ID: Can the P3 macros be executed from the K3 since they all seem to have a # prefix? Will the command interpreter then send them to the P3 for execution? 73 jim ab3cv From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Aug 24 20:23:22 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 17:23:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] [Px3] Display Text Decoding on the screen In-Reply-To: <1472084022801-7621782.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <5F096A8C-EF49-451D-8351-BB41D270D1A4@widomaker.com> <1472084022801-7621782.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7EBAC0FF-8709-4253-83CC-1D4F3630482A@elecraft.com> Small matter of programming. There's plenty of code space, but just one lonely guy--Paul--tackling the wish-list, working in the bleak silence of the after-hours, armed with a keyboard and a slice of stale pizza but without so much as a small dog to keep him company. I can try slipping him an extra can of Jolt, but no guarantees. Wayne, N6KR On Aug 24, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: > > Can we get a little more in-depth technical explanation as to why the P3 > can't display decoded text on its TFT-LCD display? Neither the P3SVGA nor > PX3 decode text. They simply display text characters already decoded by the > K3 and KX3, respectively. Why can't the P3 write the text decoded by the K3 > to its TFT-LCD display? Is the P3 MIPS/memory-challenged? > > Joe > KF5WBO > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Px3-Display-Text-Decoding-on-the-screen-tp7621750p7621782.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From jim at jtmiller.com Wed Aug 24 20:55:00 2016 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 20:55:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] [Px3] Display Text Decoding on the screen In-Reply-To: <7EBAC0FF-8709-4253-83CC-1D4F3630482A@elecraft.com> References: <5F096A8C-EF49-451D-8351-BB41D270D1A4@widomaker.com> <1472084022801-7621782.post@n2.nabble.com> <7EBAC0FF-8709-4253-83CC-1D4F3630482A@elecraft.com> Message-ID: what about that long-haired cat previously used while upgrading your synths? 73 jim ab3cv On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Small matter of programming. > > There's plenty of code space, but just one lonely guy--Paul--tackling the > wish-list, working in the bleak silence of the after-hours, armed with a > keyboard and a slice of stale pizza but without so much as a small dog to > keep him company. I can try slipping him an extra can of Jolt, but no > guarantees. > > Wayne, > N6KR > > > > > On Aug 24, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) > wrote: > > > > > Can we get a little more in-depth technical explanation as to why the P3 > > can't display decoded text on its TFT-LCD display? Neither the P3SVGA > nor > > PX3 decode text. They simply display text characters already decoded by > the > > K3 and KX3, respectively. Why can't the P3 write the text decoded by > the K3 > > to its TFT-LCD display? Is the P3 MIPS/memory-challenged? > > > > Joe > > KF5WBO > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > nabble.com/P3-Px3-Display-Text-Decoding-on-the-screen- > tp7621750p7621782.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Wed Aug 24 23:39:54 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 20:39:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] [PX3][PX3SVGA ] Display Text Decoding on the screen In-Reply-To: <7EBAC0FF-8709-4253-83CC-1D4F3630482A@elecraft.com> References: <5F096A8C-EF49-451D-8351-BB41D270D1A4@widomaker.com> <1472084022801-7621782.post@n2.nabble.com> <7EBAC0FF-8709-4253-83CC-1D4F3630482A@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1472096394342-7621786.post@n2.nabble.com> Thank you, Wayne. On a related topic ... What's the history of the PX3SVGA (i.e., an internal SVGA large screen adapter for the PX3) or lack there of? 73's Joe KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Px3-Display-Text-Decoding-on-the-screen-tp7621750p7621786.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Aug 24 23:52:44 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 20:52:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] [PX3][PX3SVGA ] Display Text Decoding on the screen In-Reply-To: <1472096394342-7621786.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <5F096A8C-EF49-451D-8351-BB41D270D1A4@widomaker.com> <1472084022801-7621782.post@n2.nabble.com> <7EBAC0FF-8709-4253-83CC-1D4F3630482A@elecraft.com> <1472096394342-7621786.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <48FB0843-7E26-44D8-B5E3-247FDC0ABB46@elecraft.com> Hi Joe, The hooks are in place, but I can't say for sure that we'll offer one. 73, Wayne N6KR On Aug 24, 2016, at 8:39 PM, "Joe Stone (KF5WBO)" wrote: > > Thank you, Wayne. On a related topic ... > > What's the history of the PX3SVGA (i.e., an internal SVGA large screen > adapter for the PX3) or lack there of? > > 73's > > Joe > KF5WBO > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Px3-Display-Text-Decoding-on-the-screen-tp7621750p7621786.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Thu Aug 25 00:56:33 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 21:56:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3SVGA] PX3 Internal SVGA Large Screen Adapter Message-ID: <1472100993387-7621788.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Wayne, What's the best way to move a PX3 Internal SVGA Large Screen Adapter up the priority list? What's the best way to gauge interest? I don't imagine you want a bunch of "I want one", "Count me in", ... posts to the reflector. Do we have a polling mechanism (other than through the KX-line Yahoo! group)? 73's Joe KF5WBO > Hi Joe, > > The hooks are in place, but I can't say for sure that we'll offer one. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR >> Thank you, Wayne. On a related topic ... >> >> What's the history of the PX3SVGA (i.e., an internal SVGA large screen >> adapter for the PX3) or lack there of? >> >> 73's >> >> Joe >> KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3SVGA-PX3-Internal-SVGA-Large-Screen-Adapter-tp7621788.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wp4cw at aol.com Thu Aug 25 01:16:41 2016 From: wp4cw at aol.com (Wp4cw) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 22:16:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] #3420 for sale Message-ID: <1472102201193-7621789.post@n2.nabble.com> I have a K1, two band unit, built this year by Alan Price and aligned by Don Wilhelm. Used on less that 20 qso's. All options included. Spent $600 in parts plus the cost to build it. Can email or text images. Make offer off line. Ted, Stockton, CA. WP4CW at aol.com 209-601-5354. Upgrading. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-3420-for-sale-tp7621789.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 25 05:01:02 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 02:01:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3SVGA] PX3 Internal SVGA Large Screen Adapter In-Reply-To: <1472100993387-7621788.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472100993387-7621788.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9d1e913c-b5b2-460f-30d8-f0d84ba7a0b9@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,8/24/2016 9:56 PM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: > What's the best way to move a PX3 Internal SVGA Large Screen Adapter up the > priority list? Drag an SVGA monitor a couple of miles up a trail to a mountain peak and take a picture of your setup. :) 73, Jim K9YC From k9jri at mac.com Thu Aug 25 07:32:18 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 07:32:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3SVGA] PX3 Internal SVGA Large Screen Adapter In-Reply-To: <1472100993387-7621788.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472100993387-7621788.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Joe, don?t forget that the ?Win4K3? software offers a large screen pan adapter for the KX3 including point and click and other great KX3 stuff. When at home and in need of a pan adapter I use this software. Works quite well. Michael Blake k9jri at mac.com > On Aug 25, 2016, at 12:56 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: > > > Hi Wayne, > > What's the best way to move a PX3 Internal SVGA Large Screen Adapter up the > priority list? What's the best way to gauge interest? I don't imagine you > want a bunch of "I want one", "Count me in", ... posts to the reflector. Do > we have a polling mechanism (other than through the KX-line Yahoo! group)? > > 73's > > Joe > KF5WBO > >> Hi Joe, >> >> The hooks are in place, but I can't say for sure that we'll offer one. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR > >>> Thank you, Wayne. On a related topic ... >>> >>> What's the history of the PX3SVGA (i.e., an internal SVGA large screen >>> adapter for the PX3) or lack there of? >>> >>> 73's >>> >>> Joe >>> KF5WBO > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3SVGA-PX3-Internal-SVGA-Large-Screen-Adapter-tp7621788.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From k4aen at me.com Thu Aug 25 08:03:40 2016 From: k4aen at me.com (Tom Morehouse) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 12:03:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility for Mac Message-ID: Any idea of when the K3 Utility for Mac will be updated? ? Tom K4AEN From w7bv at comcast.net Thu Aug 25 08:45:00 2016 From: w7bv at comcast.net (Robert S. McCuskey) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 05:45:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] F/S: N8BX Heavy K3/K3S Tuning Knobs Message-ID: <000001d1fece$7f396140$7dac23c0$@comcast.net> F/S: N8BX Heavy Tuning Knobs for K3/K3S , Black, in excellent condition, no blemishes, etc., VFO A and B, plus the newer model VFO A with ball bearing dimple, now excessive to my needs, pictured in eHam.net listing, asking $125 for all three shipped USPS Priority CONUS, PayPal preferred or USPS Money Order, email: w7bv at comcast dot net. 73, Bob From kd1na363 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 09:26:24 2016 From: kd1na363 at gmail.com (David Robertson) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 09:26:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-3 Upgrade Message-ID: Louis, I would strongly recommend testing your K3 after EACH upgrade is installed. Do not install everything, then test as you could run into problems. 73 -- Dave Robertson KD1NA From turnbull at net1.ie Thu Aug 25 09:53:43 2016 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 13:53:43 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [Off topic] RSGB promotional video link In-Reply-To: <2012959946.5790240.1472043880931.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <448776658.5785128.1472043613109.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <2012959946.5790240.1472043880931.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <88E11B5913E243DCB61FCFB2DFD37FAF@DougTPC> Friends, The following is a link to an RSGB promotional video for amateur radio. It features youth and also has some nice shots of Elecraft radios in use. To me it is well done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x6x_6mDVlQ&feature=youtu.be 73 Doug EI2CN ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From w0eb at cox.net Thu Aug 25 09:55:57 2016 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 13:55:57 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: FS: Vibroplex VibroCube paddles Message-ID: Anybody with a heavy fist like mine and need something that is hard to move around on your operating desk when you send CW? I have for sale an excellent condition Vibroplex VibroCube set of paddles. This is actually the Standard, Upgraded model with the jeweled pivot bearings and the black crinkle powder coat finish. It's around 2 years old and I don't use it anymore as I was digging through some old stored boxes from my military career and I found the old Vibroplex "Vibro Keyer" paddles I originally learned to send CW on, way back in 1962 so they are now clamped to my desk. This VibroCube, serial number 404755, is current manufacture and the Standard upgraded model sells for $229.95 plus shipping from Vibroplex (www.vibroplex.com). That's what I paid for it when I bought it around 2 years ago. I'll let this one go for $160 and you pay the USPS (Medium flat rate box) shipping. I'd prefer to sell this in the U.S. as international shipping has gotten almost impossibly high priced. I'd prefer PayPal, but will take USPS money orders. Please keep any replies off the reflector - email address is w0eb at cox.net First "I'll take it" (by date/time on the email) gets right of first refusal. Pictures are available via email. Jim Sheldon, W0EB Park City, KS From john at kk9a.com Thu Aug 25 11:23:06 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:23:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Display Text Decoding on the screen Message-ID: <0184404a38d7e30b3731e46a3d066d31.squirrel@www11.qth.com> I think that would be a nice feature for the casual RTTY operator. John KK9A >From Wayne Burdick n6kr Wed Aug 24 20:23:22 EDT 2016 Small matter of programming. There's plenty of code space, but just one lonely guy--Paul--tackling the wish-list, working in the bleak silence of the after-hours, armed with a keyboard and a slice of stale pizza but without so much as a small dog to keep him company. I can try slipping him an extra can of Jolt, but no guarantees. Wayne, N6KR From w7bv at comcast.net Thu Aug 25 12:13:43 2016 From: w7bv at comcast.net (Robert S. McCuskey) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 09:13:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] F/S: N8BX Heavy K3/K3S Tuning Knobs Message-ID: <003701d1feeb$a6ff3d90$f4fdb8b0$@comcast.net> SOLD: N8BX Heavy Tuning Knobs for K3/K3S have been sold . Thanks for the inquiries. 73, Bob W7BV From eschuller at ymail.com Thu Aug 25 12:50:39 2016 From: eschuller at ymail.com (eschuller at ymail.com) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 09:50:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD Macros Message-ID: <40FD4F4A-1D8D-47C4-8A4A-B83B3BC3C173@ymail.com> After seeing that the LED programming functionality for the K-POD was available, I received the beta for the utility and the firmware for the POD. Very cool. I'm not sure what others are doing, but here is how I have my K-POD programmed: F1 - tap turns on D1, puts radio in split, turns on sub rx and moves xmtr up 2. Hold clears all and turns D1 off F2 - tap turns on D2 and does the same as above but up 5. Hold clears F3 - tap is Mon on, hold is Mon off F6 - tap turns on XIT and lights D3; hold turns XIT off and turns off D3 F7 - tap clears RIT F8 - tap turns on RIT and lights D4; hold turns off RIT and D4. It's all pretty convenient (for me, at least!)... 73, Ed K6CTA Sent from my iPhone From mail at cvkimball.com Thu Aug 25 14:30:33 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:30:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Filter setting Message-ID: <1472149833207-7621800.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm having confusion about setting the receive filters. I'd like to have a 1 kHz wide filter at 1 kHz, that is, with a passband from 500 to 1500 Hz. My rig has a 1 kHz wide roofing filter. In CW mode I can manipulate the bandwidth/center frequency controls so that the bandwidth is 1000 Hz and the center frequency is 1000 Hz, and the roofing filter is 1000 Hz. When I switch to the data mode, however, the lowest center frequency I can obtain is 1.1 kHz. The roofing filter is still 1000 Hz. Even when I reduce the bandwidth, I can't push it lower. Must be something obvious! -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Filter-setting-tp7621800.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at jtmiller.com Thu Aug 25 14:44:07 2016 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 14:44:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPod self modifying macros? Message-ID: I've been using the MN110 function to assign a new macro to the currently pressed button to switch to a different macro. That macro then uses the MN110 function to restore the previous macro to that switch after performing its functions. Is there a way to make the macros on the KPOD self modifying in this way? Not obvious since the buttons always perform the same macros. In my case a PF1 on the K3 performs macro1 which is split, sub on, up one and switches to Macro2. A subsequent PF1 on the K3 clears all out and switches back to Macro1. On the KPOD a F1-Hold executes Macro1 but the switch to Macro2 never occurs. A subsequent hold of F1 merely repeats the Macro1. It requires F2-HOLD to execute the MACRO2. So how does one do self modifying macros on the KPOD to perform a toggle for instance? Thanks jim ab3cv From jim at jtmiller.com Thu Aug 25 15:26:37 2016 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 15:26:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPod self modifying macros? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: These "self modifying macros" really just assign another macro to a switch via the MACRO menu command. I don't see any way of identifying the KPOD switch names to make that possible. Perhaps the new switch identifiers come along with the new firmware (now in field test) documentation? thanks jim ab3cv On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > I've been using the MN110 function to assign a new macro to the currently > pressed button to switch to a different macro. That macro then uses the > MN110 function to restore the previous macro to that switch after > performing its functions. > > Is there a way to make the macros on the KPOD self modifying in this way? > Not obvious since the buttons always perform the same macros. > > In my case a PF1 on the K3 performs macro1 which is split, sub on, up one > and switches to Macro2. A subsequent PF1 on the K3 clears all out and > switches back to Macro1. > > On the KPOD a F1-Hold executes Macro1 but the switch to Macro2 never > occurs. A subsequent hold of F1 merely repeats the Macro1. It requires > F2-HOLD to execute the MACRO2. > > So how does one do self modifying macros on the KPOD to perform a toggle > for instance? > > Thanks > > jim ab3cv > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 25 15:37:01 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 15:37:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPod self modifying macros? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66fc073c-32ac-6850-d17e-4649a4dedee4@embarqmail.com> Jim, I don't think the MN110 function will work with the K-Pod (at least not right now). My reasoning -- the macros you have written assign the function to a K3 button, then you reassign that *button* to another macro - so the macro assignment will toggle with subsequent presses of *that* button. The macro is not altered, just the K3 button it is assigned to. With the K-Pod - the buttons are assigned to the *macros* and not to the K3 buttons. Macro1 will always be assigned to K-Pod F1 hold, and Macro2 will always be assigned to K-Pod F2 hold. When you use the macro to re-assign the K3 button to another macro, it will change the function of the K3 button. However, the K-Pod buttons are not mapped to the K3 buttons, but rather to the Macros directly. Unless you can work out a way to modify the macro itself, what you want to achieve cannot happen. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/25/2016 2:44 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > I've been using the MN110 function to assign a new macro to the currently > pressed button to switch to a different macro. That macro then uses the > MN110 function to restore the previous macro to that switch after > performing its functions. In other words, the macro is not "self modifying", it simply reassigns a different macro to the button. > > Is there a way to make the macros on the KPOD self modifying in this way? > It is not obvious since the K-Pod buttons always perform the same macros. > > In my case a PF1 on the K3 performs macro1 which is split, sub on, up one > and switches to Macro2. A subsequent PF1 on the K3 clears all out and > switches back to Macro1. > > On the KPOD a F1-Hold executes Macro1 but the switch to Macro2 never > occurs. A subsequent hold of F1 merely repeats the Macro1. It requires > F2-HOLD to execute the MACRO2. > > From lists at subich.com Thu Aug 25 15:41:31 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 15:41:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter setting In-Reply-To: <1472149833207-7621800.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472149833207-7621800.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: > When I switch to the data mode, however, the lowest center frequency I > can obtain is 1.1 kHz. Which data sub-mode? In DATA A, although I do not have a 1 KHz IF filter, I can run the center frequency all the way down to 400 Hz if I want (not that a center frequency that low is particularly useful). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/25/2016 2:30 PM, Chris Kimball wrote: > I'm having confusion about setting the receive filters. > > I'd like to have a 1 kHz wide filter at 1 kHz, that is, with a passband from > 500 to 1500 Hz. My rig has a 1 kHz wide roofing filter. In CW mode I can > manipulate the bandwidth/center frequency controls so that the bandwidth is > 1000 Hz and the center frequency is 1000 Hz, and the roofing filter is 1000 > Hz. When I switch to the data mode, however, the lowest center frequency I > can obtain is 1.1 kHz. The roofing filter is still 1000 Hz. Even when I > reduce the bandwidth, I can't push it lower. > > Must be something obvious! > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Filter-setting-tp7621800.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From rfphelps at snet.net Thu Aug 25 15:56:45 2016 From: rfphelps at snet.net (rfphelps) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 15:56:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 For Sale! Message-ID: <000501d1ff0a$cfbb9cf0$6f32d6d0$@net> I have my carefully constructed K1, with the following features, for sale: . s/n 0867 . Four-band board (40, 30, 20 & 15 meters) with latest trimmer capacitor mods installed . Firmware 1.09E . Internal antenna tuner . Noise blanker . LCD backlight kit installed . VFO linearization mod installed . Original 40 / 20 meter two-band board (not installed) . Hard copies of all documentation Everything is completely functional and in excellent condition! The rig has been used recently. Asking $335, including shipping - con US sales only, please! Please contact me off-list at K1SWatARRLdotnet. Regards, Dick Phelps, K1SW From ai6ii at comcast.net Thu Aug 25 16:03:11 2016 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 13:03:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3 available for cost of shipping Message-ID: <1472155391574-7621806.post@n2.nabble.com> Just had Elecraft install the the KIO3B upgrade in my K3 and have the old KIO3 available for anyone who wants it. I have no reason to believe it won't work (it was working fine when I had the upgrade done) but sold as is, no guarantee, no return. Cost is $15 to cover USPS priority mail to CONTUS only. PayPal only. Thanks 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KIO3-available-for-cost-of-shipping-tp7621806.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mail at cvkimball.com Thu Aug 25 16:25:26 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 13:25:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Filter setting In-Reply-To: References: <1472149833207-7621800.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <58a07ea8-a976-b314-ce02-0340a7d19c11@cvkimball.com> Dear Joe, Thanks! I'll bet the DATA X mode is band specific! I had carefully set DATA A on 80m and on 80m I can set the center frequency as I'd like it. That's where I usually operate in the data mode. Today, I was on 40m, where I don't normally work data. I'll bet I haven't set DATA A for 40m. Could that be it? I'll give it a try. Best wishes, Chris -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Filter-setting-tp7621800p7621807.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mail at cvkimball.com Thu Aug 25 16:32:07 2016 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 13:32:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Filter setting In-Reply-To: References: <1472149833207-7621800.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <74dc5a43-cae6-dfd6-bac7-d63e0e999ced@cvkimball.com> Dear Joe, That (the data mode) was it! Once I set the data mode to DATA A on 40m I could do what I wanted. I have lots to learn here! Thanks for you quick and on-the-spot reply! Best wishes, Chris NQ8Z -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Filter-setting-tp7621800p7621808.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ai6ii at comcast.net Thu Aug 25 17:17:27 2016 From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 14:17:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3 available for cost of shipping -SOLD Message-ID: <1472159847512-7621809.post@n2.nabble.com> Already gone. Thanks 73 ..mike AI6II -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KIO3-available-for-cost-of-shipping-SOLD-tp7621809.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ve3wdm at hotmail.com Thu Aug 25 17:32:17 2016 From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (Mike Weir) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 21:32:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Milliwatt meter calibration for K3 Message-ID: Good afternoon all, I have the Elecraft K3 (not K3S) and was wondering if you can do the Milliwatt meter calibration with the K3 utility? Mike VE3WDM From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 25 17:48:05 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 17:48:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Milliwatt meter calibration for K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36e44292-0dcf-ccad-c339-92bd1f40433e@embarqmail.com> Mike, I am going to assume you are referring to the TX Gain Calibration - which can be done using K3 Utility. If you are instead referring to the Wattmeter calibration, then refer to the manual - that cannot be done with K3 Utility. You can calibrate the K3 wattmeter to any wattmeter you have and can trust its readings. The K3 will then be as accurate as your external wattmeter. If you have an accurate RF Voltmeter, it will be more accurate than the external wattmeter. Adjust as indicated in the K3 manual. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/25/2016 5:32 PM, Mike Weir wrote: > Good afternoon all, I have the Elecraft K3 (not K3S) and was wondering if you can do the Milliwatt meter calibration with the K3 utility? > > From ka5y at yahoo.com Thu Aug 25 17:54:59 2016 From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 14:54:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WTB - SP3 Message-ID: <1472162099704-7621812.post@n2.nabble.com> Anyone have an SP3 they would like to sell? Email me at ka5y at yahoo with price and condition. Paul ka5y -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WTB-SP3-tp7621812.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Thu Aug 25 20:56:20 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 00:56:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Another KIO3 for the cost of shipping Message-ID: I swapped out my KIO3 for the new KIO3B. No known problems with the old one; I'll ship it anywhere for the cost of postage (TBD based on your address). Payment by Paypal. Bruce From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Thu Aug 25 21:19:54 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 01:19:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Another KIO3 for the cost of shipping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's gone! On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 5:56 PM Bruce Nourish wrote: > I swapped out my KIO3 for the new KIO3B. No known problems with the old > one; I'll ship it anywhere for the cost of postage (TBD based on your > address). Payment by Paypal. > > Bruce > From n8um at comcast.net Thu Aug 25 21:44:17 2016 From: n8um at comcast.net (N8UM) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 21:44:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 6 Meter Receive Preamp For Sale Message-ID: <000101d1ff3b$5bf596f0$13e0c4d0$@comcast.net> PR6 6 Meter Receive Preamp For Sale. $70 I pay shipping CONUS. John B. N8UM Oak Ridge, Tennessee From k9osccw at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 06:21:56 2016 From: k9osccw at gmail.com (Robert Brock) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 03:21:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility for Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1472206916735-7621816.post@n2.nabble.com> There are two aspects in the terminal mode pertaining to CW that need adjustment. There is no auto scrolling for typed text to be transmitted in the bottom panel and the separation bar between received and transmitted text is frozen and can't be moved. I don't use the received text per se but wold like to be able to set more rom for transmitted text. Both of these were corrected in the Windiows version but not the Mac version. I contacted Howard and he said these were on the list, but that was more than six months ago. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Utility-for-Mac-tp7621792p7621816.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ldz at chopcat.co.uk Fri Aug 26 07:12:17 2016 From: ldz at chopcat.co.uk (=?utf-8?Q?2E=C3=98LDZ?=) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 12:12:17 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker Suggestions K3S Message-ID: Unless anyone knows how, it would be great to have selectivity between the rear panel headset audio and the speaker, internal or external. Why? When we are contesting we use headsets but when setting up you want to hear the audio without headsets on and sometimes, in the middle of the action, you want to share the audio with someone to clarify something without going round the back and unplugging the headset leads. I am guessing that the rear phones and front phones are common so any one disconnects the speakers. Would it be possible to link the front phones to the FP Mic selection, which seems sort of logical. Then you could switch to the hand mic to demonstrate/share and then back to the headset with RP mic. Just a suggestion! Trevor Clapp M6LDZ 2E0LDZ LDZ at chopcat.co.uk RADIO BLOG 07900 49 77 11 From k0acp at k0acp.com Fri Aug 26 08:39:37 2016 From: k0acp at k0acp.com (Art Peters) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:39:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] [PX3][PX3SVGA ] Display Text Decoding on the screen In-Reply-To: <48FB0843-7E26-44D8-B5E3-247FDC0ABB46@elecraft.com> References: <5F096A8C-EF49-451D-8351-BB41D270D1A4@widomaker.com> <1472084022801-7621782.post@n2.nabble.com> <7EBAC0FF-8709-4253-83CC-1D4F3630482A@elecraft.com> <1472096394342-7621786.post@n2.nabble.com> <48FB0843-7E26-44D8-B5E3-247FDC0ABB46@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <31703CDA-B0A6-4960-A245-5833FB6D7BD1@k0acp.com> Wayne, If you are looking for interested parties, I for one would be interested ? also along with that mythical BIG amplifier if you ever get the itch again ? hi hi 73, Art Peters, K0ACP k0acp at k0acp.com > On Aug 24, 2016, at 11:52 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > The hooks are in place, but I can't say for sure that we'll offer one. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Aug 24, 2016, at 8:39 PM, "Joe Stone (KF5WBO)" > wrote: > >> >> Thank you, Wayne. On a related topic ... >> >> What's the history of the PX3SVGA (i.e., an internal SVGA large screen >> adapter for the PX3) or lack there of? >> >> 73's >> >> Joe >> KF5WBO >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Px3-Display-Text-Decoding-on-the-screen-tp7621750p7621786.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0acp at k0acp.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 26 08:42:08 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:42:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker Suggestions K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ed8c58d-6a30-b432-c489-90110e4844ab@embarqmail.com> Trevor, Just turn SPKR+PHones on in the K3(K3S) menu. In voice modes, you are likely to get audio feedback unless you turn the MON to zero. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/26/2016 7:12 AM, 2E?LDZ wrote: > Unless anyone knows how, it would be great to have selectivity between the rear panel headset audio and the speaker, internal or external. > > Why? > > When we are contesting we use headsets but when setting up you want to hear the audio without headsets on and sometimes, in the middle of the action, you want to share the audio with someone to clarify something without going round the back and unplugging the headset leads. > From dave.w0zf at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 08:46:03 2016 From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 12:46:03 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker Suggestions K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Check out the SPKR+PH setting in the menu. Turn on when you want to hear the speakers. You can program a PF key to toggle that mode if you want. On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 6:12 AM 2E?LDZ wrote: > Unless anyone knows how, it would be great to have selectivity between the > rear panel headset audio and the speaker, internal or external. > > Why? > > When we are contesting we use headsets but when setting up you want to > hear the audio without headsets on and sometimes, in the middle of the > action, you want to share the audio with someone to clarify something > without going round the back and unplugging the headset leads. > > I am guessing that the rear phones and front phones are common so any one > disconnects the speakers. Would it be possible to link the front phones to > the FP Mic selection, which seems sort of logical. Then you could switch > to the hand mic to demonstrate/share and then back to the headset with RP > mic. > > Just a suggestion! > > > Trevor Clapp > M6LDZ > 2E0LDZ > LDZ at chopcat.co.uk > > RADIO BLOG > > 07900 49 77 11 > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave.w0zf at gmail.com > From ldz at chopcat.co.uk Fri Aug 26 08:47:47 2016 From: ldz at chopcat.co.uk (=?utf-8?Q?2E=C3=98LDZ?=) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 13:47:47 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker Suggestions K3S In-Reply-To: <4ed8c58d-6a30-b432-c489-90110e4844ab@embarqmail.com> References: <4ed8c58d-6a30-b432-c489-90110e4844ab@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: you guys are brilliant thanks. you can tell i have only had it a few days - excelled all expectations and I can?t wait to get the K3 utility for mac that will allow full programming of the K-Pod cheers Trevor Trevor Clapp M6LDZ 2E0LDZ LDZ at chopcat.co.uk RADIO BLOG 07900 49 77 11 > On 26 Aug 2016, at 13:42, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Trevor, > > Just turn SPKR+PHones on in the K3(K3S) menu. > In voice modes, you are likely to get audio feedback unless you turn the MON to zero. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/26/2016 7:12 AM, 2E?LDZ wrote: >> Unless anyone knows how, it would be great to have selectivity between the rear panel headset audio and the speaker, internal or external. >> >> Why? >> >> When we are contesting we use headsets but when setting up you want to hear the audio without headsets on and sometimes, in the middle of the action, you want to share the audio with someone to clarify something without going round the back and unplugging the headset leads. >> > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 26 09:04:22 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:04:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker Suggestions K3S In-Reply-To: References: <4ed8c58d-6a30-b432-c489-90110e4844ab@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <62f7f01d-12d9-799d-a0a8-9ff3b52ec2d1@embarqmail.com> Trevor, Turn in the manual to the listing of menu items. There you will find what characteristics of the K3S (or any radio for that manner) can be altered to suit your desires and operating practices. While the default settings are OK, they are set for the "average" user (if that really exists). Each of us has our own preferences and the K3S has a lot of things that can be altered for the individual and his/her station requirements. Those menu items are not typically used during normal operating, but look at them as "setup" capabilities. Once setup is complete, you should not have to change those menu items frequently. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/26/2016 8:47 AM, 2E?LDZ wrote: > you guys are brilliant thanks. you can tell i have only had it a few > days - excelled all expectations and I can?t wait to get the K3 > utility for mac that will allow full programming of the K-Pod From rc.kc5wa at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 09:57:25 2016 From: rc.kc5wa at gmail.com (Robert 'RC' Conley) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:57:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 QUESTION Message-ID: will the KX2 interface with a computer as my K3 does for computer control? -- Live Long and Prosper.... From w5sv.dave at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 10:02:08 2016 From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:02:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 QUESTION In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It does work great for me; probably depends on the rig control software you are using; I use DXLabs Commander (and the rest of the suite). 73 de Dave, W5SV On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Robert 'RC' Conley wrote: > will the KX2 interface with a computer as my K3 does for computer control? > > -- > Live Long and Prosper.... > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w5sv.dave at gmail.com > From rc.kc5wa at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 10:11:25 2016 From: rc.kc5wa at gmail.com (Robert 'RC' Conley) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:11:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 computer rig control Message-ID: To be more specific with my K3 I'm using N1MM classic for contest logging and sometime N3FJP regular logging. These work very fine with K3/100. Just wish to make certain that I will not need a completely new system RC KC5WA -- Live Long and Prosper.... From ldz at chopcat.co.uk Fri Aug 26 10:33:27 2016 From: ldz at chopcat.co.uk (=?utf-8?Q?2E=C3=98LDZ?=) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:33:27 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker Suggestions K3S In-Reply-To: <62f7f01d-12d9-799d-a0a8-9ff3b52ec2d1@embarqmail.com> References: <4ed8c58d-6a30-b432-c489-90110e4844ab@embarqmail.com> <62f7f01d-12d9-799d-a0a8-9ff3b52ec2d1@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <063C6CC4-B8CA-44DF-9862-A3BC2A073334@chopcat.co.uk> Don Thanks. I have found it and set it up as a custom button. Now to make further adjustments 73 Trevor Clapp M6LDZ 2E0LDZ LDZ at chopcat.co.uk RADIO BLOG 07900 49 77 11 > On 26 Aug 2016, at 14:04, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Trevor, > > Turn in the manual to the listing of menu items. There you will find what characteristics of the K3S (or any radio for that manner) can be altered to suit your desires and operating practices. > While the default settings are OK, they are set for the "average" user (if that really exists). Each of us has our own preferences and the K3S has a lot of things that can be altered for the individual and his/her station requirements. > > Those menu items are not typically used during normal operating, but look at them as "setup" capabilities. Once setup is complete, you should not have to change those menu items frequently. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/26/2016 8:47 AM, 2E?LDZ wrote: >> you guys are brilliant thanks. you can tell i have only had it a few days - excelled all expectations and I can?t wait to get the K3 utility for mac that will allow full programming of the K-Pod > From fcady at montana.edu Fri Aug 26 10:54:00 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 14:54:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 QUESTION In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, but you cannot use RTS and DTR for CW keying and PTT unless you split them out from the serial cable. Cheers, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com (KX2 books available very soon) ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Robert 'RC' Conley Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:57 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 QUESTION will the KX2 interface with a computer as my K3 does for computer control? -- Live Long and Prosper.... ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Fri Aug 26 12:15:09 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:15:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3SVGA][P3] PX3 to SVGA Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen Message-ID: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> Thank you, Art. We've been discussing two new features on this thread ... Feature #1. Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3SVGA) to connect a PX3 to an SVGA large screen. Feature #2. Elecraft (Paul Saffren, N6HZ) to modify the P3 firmware to write, * text decoded by the K3, and * text to be transmitted to the P3 TFT-LCD display (without the need for a P3SVGA). If you're interested in one or both of these new features, please reply to this thread. This is how Wayne prioritizes new products / features. Please take into consideration that for many (most?) KX3 owners, the KX3 serves as their one and only one HF rig. While the jokes about lugging an SVGA monitor to a mountain peak are clever, they fail to recognize the reality that a majority of KX3 operating hours are spent at the home QTH. 73's Joe KF5WBO > Wayne, > > If you are looking for interested parties, I for one would be interested ? > also > along with that mythical BIG amplifier if you ever get the itch again ? hi > hi > > 73, > > Art Peters, K0ACP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-PX3SVGA-P3-PX3-to-SVGA-Large-Screen-and-Decoded-Text-to-Native-P3-Screen-tp7621828.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Aug 26 12:16:30 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:16:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker Suggestions K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34979332-903a-10d5-a61a-68330859ecad@audiosystemsgroup.com> Don has pointed out the SPKR + PHONES toggle. Many of us assign it to one of the PF buttons, PF1 or PF2. I choose PF2, which is a "long push" of XIT. The manual tells how to do that. 73, Jim K9YC On Fri,8/26/2016 4:12 AM, 2E?LDZ wrote: > Unless anyone knows how, it would be great to have selectivity between the rear panel headset audio and the speaker, internal or external. From phystad at mac.com Fri Aug 26 13:20:13 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 10:20:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3SVGA][P3] PX3 to SVGA Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen In-Reply-To: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I will vote for Feature #2. I am neutral on Feature #1 as I do not currently own a PX3 and using a display screen along with it (if I do purchase a PX3 someday) is not in my plans. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:15 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: > > Thank you, Art. > > We've been discussing two new features on this thread ... > > Feature #1. Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3SVGA) to > connect a PX3 to an SVGA large screen. > > Feature #2. Elecraft (Paul Saffren, N6HZ) to modify the P3 firmware to > write, > > * text decoded by the K3, and > * text to be transmitted > > to the P3 TFT-LCD display (without the need for a P3SVGA). > > If you're interested in one or both of these new features, please reply to > this thread. This is how Wayne prioritizes new products / features. > > Please take into consideration that for many (most?) KX3 owners, the KX3 > serves as their one and only one HF rig. While the jokes about lugging an > SVGA monitor to a mountain peak are clever, they fail to recognize the > reality that a majority of KX3 operating hours are spent at the home QTH. > > 73's > > Joe > KF5WBO > > >> Wayne, >> >> If you are looking for interested parties, I for one would be interested ? >> also >> along with that mythical BIG amplifier if you ever get the itch again ? hi >> hi >> >> 73, >> >> Art Peters, K0ACP > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-PX3SVGA-P3-PX3-to-SVGA-Large-Screen-and-Decoded-Text-to-Native-P3-Screen-tp7621828.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From ghyoungman at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 14:11:14 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 14:11:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3SVGA][P3] PX3 to SVGA Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen In-Reply-To: References: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: There would also need to be a way to easily toggle between the text display and the TXMON display by a function key assignment that would toggle between them perhaps. There?s only so much screen real estate. Or perhaps a small TXMON window in one corner somewhere. Of course, if you don?t use TXMON it doesn?t matter, but for those of us that do ... it would. Grant NQ5T > On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > I will vote for Feature #2. I am neutral on Feature #1 as I do not currently own a PX3 and using > a display screen along with it (if I do purchase a PX3 someday) is not in my plans. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > >> >> >> Feature #2. Elecraft (Paul Saffren, N6HZ) to modify the P3 firmware to >> write, >> >> * text decoded by the K3, and >> * text to be transmitted >> From michaelwong at mac.com Fri Aug 26 14:12:10 2016 From: michaelwong at mac.com (Michael Wong) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:12:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3SVGA][P3] PX3 to SVGA Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen In-Reply-To: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I vote for Feature 1, having recently acquired a PX3. I run an SDRPlay with various software radio UIs on my laptop and having the PX3 outputting VGA (or DisplayPort perhaps) would probably simplify my setup by replacing the laptop with a flatscreen monitor. > On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:15 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: > > Thank you, Art. > > We've been discussing two new features on this thread ... > > Feature #1. Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3SVGA) to > connect a PX3 to an SVGA large screen. > > Feature #2. Elecraft (Paul Saffren, N6HZ) to modify the P3 firmware to > write, > > * text decoded by the K3, and > * text to be transmitted > > to the P3 TFT-LCD display (without the need for a P3SVGA). > > If you're interested in one or both of these new features, please reply to > this thread. This is how Wayne prioritizes new products / features. > > Please take into consideration that for many (most?) KX3 owners, the KX3 > serves as their one and only one HF rig. While the jokes about lugging an > SVGA monitor to a mountain peak are clever, they fail to recognize the > reality that a majority of KX3 operating hours are spent at the home QTH. > > 73's > > Joe > KF5WBO > > >> Wayne, >> >> If you are looking for interested parties, I for one would be interested ? >> also >> along with that mythical BIG amplifier if you ever get the itch again ? hi >> hi >> >> 73, >> >> Art Peters, K0ACP > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-PX3SVGA-P3-PX3-to-SVGA-Large-Screen-and-Decoded-Text-to-Native-P3-Screen-tp7621828.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com From edouard at lafargue.name Fri Aug 26 17:11:32 2016 From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 14:11:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Wizkers:Radio update: KX2/KX3/K3 rig controller for Mac, Windows, Linux, Android and Chromebooks Message-ID: Hi everyone, Just a quick note on the latest release of Wizkers:Radio which went live earlier this week. For Elecraft users, this latest version introduces pixel-perfect fonts for the LCD screen, which in my humble opinion look absolutely great. I can say that since I am not the author, we owe those to Richar, OK3AR, many thanks to him for this! This might sound like a gimmick, but when using Wizkers:Radio over a VNC link to remotely control an Elecraft rig, it is actually quite nice to have a realistic rendering of the rig front panel. More details below: http://forum.wizkers.io/t/wizkers-radio-0-2-6-released/146 Ed W6ELA From k0acp at k0acp.com Fri Aug 26 17:55:18 2016 From: k0acp at k0acp.com (Art Peters) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 17:55:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3SVGA][P3] PX3 to SVGA Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen In-Reply-To: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8D3A5112-EEB4-4FE6-A3B6-D0E53FB083B8@k0acp.com> Joe, Thanks for asking, at this point, I?m looking for Feature #1, as I only have a KX-Line. However, next spring, I am contemplating a full K-Line and would find value in #2 at that time. 73, Art Peters, K0ACP k0acp at k0acp.com > On Aug 26, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: > > Thank you, Art. > > We've been discussing two new features on this thread ... > > Feature #1. Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3SVGA) to > connect a PX3 to an SVGA large screen. > > Feature #2. Elecraft (Paul Saffren, N6HZ) to modify the P3 firmware to > write, > > * text decoded by the K3, and > * text to be transmitted > > to the P3 TFT-LCD display (without the need for a P3SVGA). > > If you're interested in one or both of these new features, please reply to > this thread. This is how Wayne prioritizes new products / features. > > Please take into consideration that for many (most?) KX3 owners, the KX3 > serves as their one and only one HF rig. While the jokes about lugging an > SVGA monitor to a mountain peak are clever, they fail to recognize the > reality that a majority of KX3 operating hours are spent at the home QTH. > > 73's > > Joe > KF5WBO > > >> Wayne, >> >> If you are looking for interested parties, I for one would be interested ? >> also >> along with that mythical BIG amplifier if you ever get the itch again ? hi >> hi >> >> 73, >> >> Art Peters, K0ACP > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-PX3SVGA-P3-PX3-to-SVGA-Large-Screen-and-Decoded-Text-to-Native-P3-Screen-tp7621828.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0acp at k0acp.com From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 18:06:10 2016 From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 18:06:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3SVGA][P3] PX3 to SVGA Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen In-Reply-To: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <6f17abb4-73c9-bb28-9662-0223986b7cde@gmail.com> #1 but with HDMI... 73, steve WB3LGC On 8/26/2016 12:15 PM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: > Thank you, Art. > > We've been discussing two new features on this thread ... > > Feature #1. Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3SVGA) to > connect a PX3 to an SVGA large screen. > > Feature #2. Elecraft (Paul Saffren, N6HZ) to modify the P3 firmware to > write, > > * text decoded by the K3, and > * text to be transmitted > > to the P3 TFT-LCD display (without the need for a P3SVGA). > > If you're interested in one or both of these new features, please reply to > this thread. This is how Wayne prioritizes new products / features. > > Please take into consideration that for many (most?) KX3 owners, the KX3 > serves as their one and only one HF rig. While the jokes about lugging an > SVGA monitor to a mountain peak are clever, they fail to recognize the > reality that a majority of KX3 operating hours are spent at the home QTH. > > 73's > > Joe > KF5WBO > > >> Wayne, >> >> If you are looking for interested parties, I for one would be interested ? >> also >> along with that mythical BIG amplifier if you ever get the itch again ? hi >> hi >> >> 73, >> >> Art Peters, K0ACP > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-PX3SVGA-P3-PX3-to-SVGA-Large-Screen-and-Decoded-Text-to-Native-P3-Screen-tp7621828.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com From michaelwong at mac.com Fri Aug 26 18:08:02 2016 From: michaelwong at mac.com (Michael Wong) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:08:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3SVGA][P3] PX3 to SVGA Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen In-Reply-To: <6f17abb4-73c9-bb28-9662-0223986b7cde@gmail.com> References: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> <6f17abb4-73c9-bb28-9662-0223986b7cde@gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 on HDMI (or DisplayPort). > On Aug 26, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Steve wrote: > > #1 but with HDMI... > > 73, steve WB3LGC > > > On 8/26/2016 12:15 PM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: >> Thank you, Art. >> >> We've been discussing two new features on this thread ... >> >> Feature #1. Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3SVGA) to >> connect a PX3 to an SVGA large screen. >> >> Feature #2. Elecraft (Paul Saffren, N6HZ) to modify the P3 firmware to >> write, >> >> * text decoded by the K3, and >> * text to be transmitted >> >> to the P3 TFT-LCD display (without the need for a P3SVGA). >> >> If you're interested in one or both of these new features, please reply to >> this thread. This is how Wayne prioritizes new products / features. >> >> Please take into consideration that for many (most?) KX3 owners, the KX3 >> serves as their one and only one HF rig. While the jokes about lugging an >> SVGA monitor to a mountain peak are clever, they fail to recognize the >> reality that a majority of KX3 operating hours are spent at the home QTH. >> >> 73's >> >> Joe >> KF5WBO >> >> >>> Wayne, >>> >>> If you are looking for interested parties, I for one would be interested ? >>> also >>> along with that mythical BIG amplifier if you ever get the itch again ? hi >>> hi >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Art Peters, K0ACP >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-PX3SVGA-P3-PX3-to-SVGA-Large-Screen-and-Decoded-Text-to-Native-P3-Screen-tp7621828.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com From k9jri at mac.com Fri Aug 26 18:13:55 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 18:13:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3SVGA][P3] PX3 to SVGA Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen In-Reply-To: References: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> <6f17abb4-73c9-bb28-9662-0223986b7cde@gmail.com> Message-ID: <59F24F7D-D2C9-443D-A14E-B94544962144@mac.com> +2 on HDMI or DisplayPort. 73 - Mike - K9JRI > On Aug 26, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Michael Wong wrote: > > +1 on HDMI (or DisplayPort). > >> On Aug 26, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Steve > wrote: >> >> #1 but with HDMI... >> >> 73, steve WB3LGC >> >> >> On 8/26/2016 12:15 PM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: >>> Thank you, Art. >>> >>> We've been discussing two new features on this thread ... >>> >>> Feature #1. Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3SVGA) to >>> connect a PX3 to an SVGA large screen. >>> >>> Feature #2. Elecraft (Paul Saffren, N6HZ) to modify the P3 firmware to >>> write, >>> >>> * text decoded by the K3, and >>> * text to be transmitted >>> >>> to the P3 TFT-LCD display (without the need for a P3SVGA). >>> >>> If you're interested in one or both of these new features, please reply to >>> this thread. This is how Wayne prioritizes new products / features. >>> >>> Please take into consideration that for many (most?) KX3 owners, the KX3 >>> serves as their one and only one HF rig. While the jokes about lugging an >>> SVGA monitor to a mountain peak are clever, they fail to recognize the >>> reality that a majority of KX3 operating hours are spent at the home QTH. >>> >>> 73's >>> >>> Joe >>> KF5WBO >>> >>> >>>> Wayne, >>>> >>>> If you are looking for interested parties, I for one would be interested ? >>>> also >>>> along with that mythical BIG amplifier if you ever get the itch again ? hi >>>> hi >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Art Peters, K0ACP >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-PX3SVGA-P3-PX3-to-SVGA-Large-Screen-and-Decoded-Text-to-Native-P3-Screen-tp7621828.html >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From brian at kf6c.com Fri Aug 26 18:17:00 2016 From: brian at kf6c.com (Brian D. Comer) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:17:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 ant control Message-ID: <009701d1ffe7$916fda50$b44f8ef0$@com> Can I change the KAT500 ant selection from the K3s From vk2jng at icloud.com Fri Aug 26 18:19:27 2016 From: vk2jng at icloud.com (Gerard Elijzen) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 08:19:27 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Feature #1. Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3SVGA) to connect a PX3 to an SVGA large screen. Message-ID: <2279D81F-A0A3-497C-8932-C495AB4574FC@icloud.com> Feature 1 for me. Would be very nice as I use the KX3 from my RV. Thanks Gerard VK2JNG From andrew at ahebden.com Fri Aug 26 18:21:52 2016 From: andrew at ahebden.com (Andrew Hebden) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 23:21:52 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3SVGA][P3] PX3 to SVGA Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen In-Reply-To: <59F24F7D-D2C9-443D-A14E-B94544962144@mac.com> References: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> <6f17abb4-73c9-bb28-9662-0223986b7cde@gmail.com> <59F24F7D-D2C9-443D-A14E-B94544962144@mac.com> Message-ID: <005701d1ffe8$3f74a680$be5df380$@com> Yes please, #1 with HDMI Andrew G8BYB --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jimfinan at att.net Fri Aug 26 18:53:25 2016 From: jimfinan at att.net (Jim Finan) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 18:53:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3SVGA][P3] PX3 to SVGA Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen In-Reply-To: References: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> <6f17abb4-73c9-bb28-9662-0223986b7cde@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20160826225325.5869643.68942.47220@att.net> Both sound good to me... Jim?Finan AB4AC ? Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. ? Original Message ? From: Michael Wong Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 6:09 PM To: Steve Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3SVGA][P3] PX3 to SVGA Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen +1 on HDMI (or DisplayPort). > On Aug 26, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Steve wrote: > > #1 but with HDMI... > > 73, steve WB3LGC > > > On 8/26/2016 12:15 PM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: >> Thank you, Art. >> >> We've been discussing two new features on this thread ... >> >> Feature #1. Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3SVGA) to >> connect a PX3 to an SVGA large screen. >> >> Feature #2. Elecraft (Paul Saffren, N6HZ) to modify the P3 firmware to >> write, >> >> * text decoded by the K3, and >> * text to be transmitted >> >> to the P3 TFT-LCD display (without the need for a P3SVGA). >> >> If you're interested in one or both of these new features, please reply to >> this thread. This is how Wayne prioritizes new products / features. >> >> Please take into consideration that for many (most?) KX3 owners, the KX3 >> serves as their one and only one HF rig. While the jokes about lugging an >> SVGA monitor to a mountain peak are clever, they fail to recognize the >> reality that a majority of KX3 operating hours are spent at the home QTH. >> >> 73's >> >> Joe >> KF5WBO >> >> >>> Wayne, >>> >>> If you are looking for interested parties, I for one would be interested ? >>> also >>> along with that mythical BIG amplifier if you ever get the itch again ? hi >>> hi >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Art Peters, K0ACP >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-PX3SVGA-P3-PX3-to-SVGA-Large-Screen-and-Decoded-Text-to-Native-P3-Screen-tp7621828.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to michaelwong at mac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimfinan at att.net From fcady at montana.edu Fri Aug 26 19:12:24 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 23:12:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 ant control In-Reply-To: <009701d1ffe7$916fda50$b44f8ef0$@com> References: <009701d1ffe7$916fda50$b44f8ef0$@com> Message-ID: In a way you can. Once you have selected an antenna for a particular band, when you return to that band it will automatically be selected. Cheers, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com. ________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Brian D. Comer Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 4:17 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 ant control Can I change the KAT500 ant selection from the K3s ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Aug 26 19:24:11 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 16:24:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 ant control In-Reply-To: References: <009701d1ffe7$916fda50$b44f8ef0$@com> Message-ID: If you have more than one antenna for a band (I did before we moved), the KAT500 Utility allows you to enable them for a particular band and choose which will be the default when the K3 goes to that band. If you want the other(s), you press the ANT button on the KA%500, and it will cycle through the 3 antenna connectors that are enabled for that band. I don't know of any other way to do that from the K3. 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 8/26/2016 4:12 PM, Cady, Fred wrote: > In a way you can. Once you have selected an antenna for a particular > band, when you return to that band it will automatically be > selected. > > Cheers, > > Fred KE7X From cautery at montac.com Fri Aug 26 20:17:05 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 19:17:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Wizkers:Radio update: KX2/KX3/K3 rig controller for Mac, Windows, Linux, Android and Chromebooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please confirm... Supports K3s.... yes or no? Thanks! 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/26/2016 4:11 PM, Edouard Lafargue wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Just a quick note on the latest release of Wizkers:Radio which went live > earlier this week. > > For Elecraft users, this latest version introduces pixel-perfect fonts > for the LCD screen, which in my humble opinion look absolutely great. I can > say that since I am not the author, we owe those to Richar, OK3AR, many > thanks to him for this! > > This might sound like a gimmick, but when using Wizkers:Radio over a > VNC link to remotely control an Elecraft rig, it is actually quite nice to > have a realistic rendering of the rig front panel. > > More details below: > http://forum.wizkers.io/t/wizkers-radio-0-2-6-released/146 > > Ed > W6ELA From w0cz at i29.net Fri Aug 26 21:15:49 2016 From: w0cz at i29.net (Kenneth Christiansen) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:15:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3SVGA][P3] PX3 to SVGA Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen In-Reply-To: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <38267AAD-1061-4ADA-B8E0-300ED254927B@i29.net> Hi to the group I have wanted option 2 for several years. I have asked for it a couple of times but never heard anything back. My shack is small and my portable operation is even smaller. I always send with macros but trying to read the small screen on the K3S is a problem. I have a KX3 and PX3 and find the PX3 works just the way I want except it will not work with the K3S. Thanks for the bandwidth and I hope soon we get the ability to display the TX and RX information on the {3. I feel this is even more. Important for my contest operation even if my scores are low. 73 Ken W0CZ Sent from my iPad > On Aug 26, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: > > Thank you, Art. > > We've been discussing two new features on this thread ... > > Feature #1. Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3SVGA) to > connect a PX3 to an SVGA large screen. > > Feature #2. Elecraft (Paul Saffren, N6HZ) to modify the P3 firmware to > write, > > * text decoded by the K3, and > * text to be transmitted > > to the P3 TFT-LCD display (without the need for a P3SVGA). > > If you're interested in one or both of these new features, please reply to > this thread. This is how Wayne prioritizes new products / features. > > Please take into consideration that for many (most?) KX3 owners, the KX3 > serves as their one and only one HF rig. While the jokes about lugging an > SVGA monitor to a mountain peak are clever, they fail to recognize the > reality that a majority of KX3 operating hours are spent at the home QTH. > > 73's > > Joe > KF5WBO > > >> Wayne, >> >> If you are looking for interested parties, I for one would be interested ? >> also >> along with that mythical BIG amplifier if you ever get the itch again ? hi >> hi >> >> 73, >> >> Art Peters, K0ACP > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-PX3SVGA-P3-PX3-to-SVGA-Large-Screen-and-Decoded-Text-to-Native-P3-Screen-tp7621828.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wocz at i29.net From joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com Sat Aug 27 00:21:48 2016 From: joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com (Jessie Oberreuter) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 21:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] SubRx COR issue only in 'Diversty' mode? Message-ID: My K3 (#286) just came back from the mothership with new syths and a SubRx (my first time with a KRX3! Woohoo!) and I'm seeing an odd bit of behavior: - If I'm running just the main receiver, xtal filter transitions are smooth and silent as usual. - If I'm running dual receive with independent VFOs (linked or unlinked, but NOT in 'diversity' mode), crystal filter transitions are independently smooth and silent on both the main and the sub, with the sub using the AUX antenna or sharing the main antenna. - The moment I switch to diversity mode proper, a relay clicks and the SubRx loses its antenna, as if the Carrier Operated Relay just activated. If I then change the filter bandwidth, each time the xtal filter changes, I get a relay click, and a burst of sound from the SubRx (like the COR just turned off for a moment), and then another click and I'm back to no antenna. Doesn't matter if I select the main or AUX antenna -- the COR stays engaged so long as I am in diversity mode. AFAICT, there's no hardware difference between these states, so my best guess would be that I have a bit loose in my config data or I've run into an upgrade/firmware bug. I've tried toggling SPLIT, toggling RFI Detect, and trasmitting -- just in case it was something uninitialized -- but the COR stays with me whenever I'm in diversity. Thoughts? BTW, love the new toy! -kb7psg From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Sat Aug 27 02:04:50 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 06:04:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Wizkers:Radio update: KX2/KX3/K3 rig controller for Mac, Windows, Linux, Android and Chromebooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just plugged it in to my KIO3B-upgraded K3 and it worked a Charm. Thanks, Edouard, for shipping the only ham radio app that looks like it was designed in this century. On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 5:18 PM Clay Autery wrote: > Please confirm... > > Supports K3s.... yes or no? > > Thanks! 73, > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 8/26/2016 4:11 PM, Edouard Lafargue wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Just a quick note on the latest release of Wizkers:Radio which went > live > > earlier this week. > > > > For Elecraft users, this latest version introduces pixel-perfect fonts > > for the LCD screen, which in my humble opinion look absolutely great. I > can > > say that since I am not the author, we owe those to Richar, OK3AR, many > > thanks to him for this! > > > > This might sound like a gimmick, but when using Wizkers:Radio over a > > VNC link to remotely control an Elecraft rig, it is actually quite nice > to > > have a realistic rendering of the rig front panel. > > > > More details below: > > http://forum.wizkers.io/t/wizkers-radio-0-2-6-released/146 > > > > Ed > > W6ELA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mbt at w0mbt.net > From bwruble at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 10:30:23 2016 From: bwruble at gmail.com (Brian F. Wruble) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 10:30:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] No sub-receive after repair Message-ID: Hi all: I recently sent my K3 back to Elecraft for repair. I had attempted to install the new KAT3A, and I messed up the subreceiver, and I lost my output power. I also had them install the new KXV3B so that I could have the built-in 6 meter preamp. Elecraft returned my rig, received yesterday, and cautioned me to use the new config files they had set up. I am finding that I cannot get signals on the sub-receiver. Here is my setup: KRX3 Ant = BNC (same as before the repair) KXV3B = Nor L - Mix - R = A b KAT3 = byP (I use the KAT500) SPKRS = 2 SPKR + PH = YES SUB AF = bALAnCE I find that if I load my last saved config file, before the mods, the subreceiver works fine --- I can rotate Balance and move the sub-receive audio to my right earphone, keeping the main receive audio in my left earphone. This is obviously a config problem, and I don't want to keep using the old config file because it doesn't recognize the new KXV3B.. Can anyone suggest what I am doing wrong here? 73 de Brian W3BW *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Sat Aug 27 11:08:39 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 08:08:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3HDMI][P3] PX3 to HDMI Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen In-Reply-To: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1472310519477-7621849.post@n2.nabble.com> I've attempted to fold in the feedback thus far. If you haven't already, please reply to this thread if you're interested in one or both of these new features. PX3 TO LARGE SCREEN Feature #1A (preferred). Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3HDMI) to connect a PX3 to a large screen through an HDMI interface. Feature #1B. Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3SVGA) to connect a PX3 to large screen through an SVGA interface. DECODED / TRANSMITTED TEXT TO NATIVE P3 SCREEN Feature #2. Elecraft (Paul Saffren, N6HZ) to modify the P3 firmware to write, * text decoded by the K3, and * text to be transmitted / transmitted text to the P3 TFT-LCD screen (without the need for a P3SVGA). This firmware change must continue to support the existing P3 Tx Mon (Transmit Monitor) option, for example, displaying the power output and SWR displays in place of the decoded text during transmit, http://wickedstone.com/KF5WBO/P3SVGAwithDecodedText.jpg 73's Joe KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-PX3SVGA-P3-PX3-to-SVGA-Large-Screen-and-Decoded-Text-to-Native-P3-Screen-tp7621828p7621849.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gdanner12 at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 11:51:30 2016 From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (Gmail - George) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 11:51:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3HDMI][P3] PX3 to HDMI Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen In-Reply-To: <1472310519477-7621849.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472228109759-7621828.post@n2.nabble.com> <1472310519477-7621849.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Joe, A vote for neither! Actually to be fair to others - a vote to keep them as a low priority. But: Would love to see TX-Mon on SVGA - but also low priority. I have rearranged my shack to have P3 back in front of me. Also would like TX-MON to have audio spectrum display as a selectable option. 73 George AI4VZ -----Original Message----- From: Joe Stone (KF5WBO) I've attempted to fold in the feedback thus far. If you haven't already, please reply to this thread if you're interested in one or both of these new features. PX3 TO LARGE SCREEN DECODED / TRANSMITTED TEXT TO NATIVE P3 SCREEN From lists at subich.com Sat Aug 27 12:16:37 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 12:16:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] No sub-receive after repair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Check the Owner's Manual for "RX ANT" ... Turn on the Sub RX and *hold* the RX ANT button. What does the VFO B area of the display say? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/27/2016 10:30 AM, Brian F. Wruble wrote: > Hi all: > > I recently sent my K3 back to Elecraft for repair. I had attempted to > install the new KAT3A, and I messed up the subreceiver, and I lost my > output power. I also had them install the new KXV3B so that I could have > the built-in 6 meter preamp. > > Elecraft returned my rig, received yesterday, and cautioned me to use the > new config files they had set up. I am finding that I cannot get signals > on the sub-receiver. > > Here is my setup: > > KRX3 Ant = BNC (same as before the repair) > KXV3B = Nor > L - Mix - R = A b > KAT3 = byP (I use the KAT500) > SPKRS = 2 > SPKR + PH = YES > SUB AF = bALAnCE > > > I find that if I load my last saved config file, before the mods, the > subreceiver works fine --- I can rotate Balance and move the sub-receive > audio to my right earphone, keeping the main receive audio in my left > earphone. > > This is obviously a config problem, and I don't want to keep using the old > config file because it doesn't recognize the new KXV3B.. > > Can anyone suggest what I am doing wrong here? > > 73 de Brian W3BW > > *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From bwruble at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 13:38:01 2016 From: bwruble at gmail.com (Brian F. Wruble) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 13:38:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] No sub-receive after repair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That did it. I was not receiving on the "Main" antenna. Thanks! On Saturday, August 27, 2016, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Check the Owner's Manual for "RX ANT" ... > > Turn on the Sub RX and *hold* the RX ANT button. What does the VFO B > area of the display say? > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 8/27/2016 10:30 AM, Brian F. Wruble wrote: > >> Hi all: >> >> I recently sent my K3 back to Elecraft for repair. I had attempted to >> install the new KAT3A, and I messed up the subreceiver, and I lost my >> output power. I also had them install the new KXV3B so that I could have >> the built-in 6 meter preamp. >> >> Elecraft returned my rig, received yesterday, and cautioned me to use the >> new config files they had set up. I am finding that I cannot get signals >> on the sub-receiver. >> >> Here is my setup: >> >> KRX3 Ant = BNC (same as before the repair) >> KXV3B = Nor >> L - Mix - R = A b >> KAT3 = byP (I use the KAT500) >> SPKRS = 2 >> SPKR + PH = YES >> SUB AF = bALAnCE >> >> >> I find that if I load my last saved config file, before the mods, the >> subreceiver works fine --- I can rotate Balance and move the sub-receive >> audio to my right earphone, keeping the main receive audio in my left >> earphone. >> >> This is obviously a config problem, and I don't want to keep using the old >> config file because it doesn't recognize the new KXV3B.. >> >> Can anyone suggest what I am doing wrong here? >> >> 73 de Brian W3BW >> >> *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> >> -- *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. From w0eb at cox.net Sat Aug 27 14:22:13 2016 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 18:22:13 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: FS: Vibroplex "VibroCube" paddles Message-ID: Since this is still available, I'm lowering the price to $150 which will include the shipping to anywhere in the U.S. Very smooth operating key, easy adjustments and it looks almost new. Jim - W0EB ___________________________________________________________ Anybody with a heavy fist like mine and need something that is hard to move around on your operating desk when you send CW? I have for sale an excellent condition Vibroplex VibroCube set of paddles. This is actually the Standard, Upgraded model with the jeweled pivot bearings and the black crinkle powder coat finish. It's around 2 years old and I don't use it anymore as I was digging through some old stored boxes from my military career and I found the old Vibroplex "Vibro Keyer" paddles I originally learned to send CW on, way back in 1962 so they are now clamped to my desk. This VibroCube, serial number 404755, is current manufacture and the Standard upgraded model sells for $229.95 plus shipping from Vibroplex (www.vibroplex.com). That's what I paid for it when I bought it around 2 years ago. I'll let this one go for $160 and you pay the USPS (Medium flat rate box) shipping. I'd prefer to sell this in the U.S. as international shipping has gotten almost impossibly high priced. I'd prefer PayPal, but will take USPS money orders. Please keep any replies off the reflector - email address is w0eb at cox.net First "I'll take it" (by date/time on the email) gets right of first refusal. Pictures are available via email. Jim Sheldon, W0EB Park City, KS From k.alexander at rogers.com Sat Aug 27 14:39:43 2016 From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 14:39:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Does the KXUSBa (USB to 3.5mm) Have a Level Converter Inside? Message-ID: <3b78332f-f719-a24d-568f-3adabe95efdb@rogers.com> Hi All, I'm thinking of using a KXUSB cable for CAT control of an FT-817ND. The 817 apparently cannot use RS232 straight from a computer (as the K2 couldn't as I recall) and requires a level converter. However, I have a handful of KXUSB cables now and was wondering if using one with my 817 will be as simple as making an adapter to go from the 3.5mm plug to the 8-pin mini-DIN that plugs into the 817. So, long story short; can I go straight from a KXUSB to an FT-817 without a level converter or do I need to add one inline. I'd prefer not to find out the hard way! :-) Many thanks, Ken Alexander VE3HLS From w2kj at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 27 17:01:26 2016 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:01:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. SignaLink USB Message-ID: <1E859E04-6F53-4069-AE31-1FD00E40BC98@bellsouth.net> Howdy Gang: I have for sale a like-new SignaLink USB with the appropriate cables and also the optional plug-in module for the internal settings for the K3. I used this unit a couple of times with my K3 but just couldn't get into that mode...guess I'm a die-hard CW fan. Also, I sold my K3 so I no longer have any use for the SignaLink. Will ship for $90 via Priority Mail. 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I am From w0eb at cox.net Sat Aug 27 19:53:54 2016 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 23:53:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: FS: Vibroplex "VibroCube Paddles - SOLD Message-ID: The paddles have been sold - Jim - W0EB From kevinr at coho.net Sat Aug 27 20:46:19 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:46:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <229bfc0f-b803-6653-3639-c814cb567623@coho.net> Good Evening, Propagation was slightly better this week. Longer skeds and a few more contacts. QSBis prevalent on 20, 30, and 40 meters (I did not check the other bands). Summer storms make lots of noise but that is not strong here. The sun is still throwing ions even with few spots. It is easy to tell when the bear berries are ripe. The grouseflush regularly keeping me on my toes. They are mostly ruffed grouse but occasionally there is a grey spruce grouse. The California quail have never made it to my elevation but there is the rare turkey every few years. They both like lower elevations. The elk are now in hiding due to the first bow season. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sat Aug 27 21:24:44 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 18:24:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S 10MHz GPSDO Frequency & Time? Message-ID: <1472347484472-7621858.post@n2.nabble.com> I have the K3EXREF and XTCXO3-1 installed on my K3s and have a Jackson Labs LC-XO-Plus GPSDO attached to the factory-installed port. The config setting REF*CAL shows the * to be blinking, indicating data is being received. I tuned into WWV 10MHz and found that my K3s time was pretty far off, based on the audible signal. Using Config:Time, I can adjust the time to match the audible beat. I guess the K3EXREF address frequency but not clock time? I have a separate GPSDO running from ToyNTP http://www.dxatlas.com/ToyNtp/ to keep my PC on time to less than +/- 50 microseconds. There's some high latency somewhere... But digital modes like WSPR have adequately accurate reference time. Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-10MHz-GPSDO-Frequency-Time-tp7621858.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kstover at ac0h.net Sat Aug 27 22:09:03 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 21:09:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S 10MHz GPSDO Frequency & Time? In-Reply-To: <1472347484472-7621858.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472347484472-7621858.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Correct. On 8/27/2016 8:24 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > I guess the K3EXREF address frequency but not clock time? > > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From cautery at montac.com Sat Aug 27 22:23:15 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 21:23:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S 10MHz GPSDO Frequency & Time? In-Reply-To: References: <1472347484472-7621858.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I'll be adding "How to keep K3s time up to date continuously" to my list... Know I can manually do it via the utility... perhaps there's a way to write a macro to grab the time from my laptop (a la the Utility)... Ideally, I'd like the K3 to follow my Stratum 1 NTP server... 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/27/2016 9:09 PM, Kevin wrote: > Correct. > > > On 8/27/2016 8:24 PM, MaverickNH wrote: >> I guess the K3EXREF address frequency but not clock time? >> >> > From ch at murgatroid.com Sun Aug 28 00:02:10 2016 From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 21:02:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S 10MHz GPSDO Frequency & Time? In-Reply-To: <1472347484472-7621858.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472347484472-7621858.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: There are a couple different things to consider here: - syntonization and synchronization of the oscillator for the TX/RX synth - syntonization and synchronization of the oscillator driving the real time clock (i.e. counter) - setting of the real time clock My understanding is that the external reference to the K3/K3S is only used to FLL the oscillator for the RX/TX synthesizer. PLL is not used because of phase noise concerns. So you get syntonization (frequency) but not synchronization (phase). I haven't looked at the RTC schematic, but my strong guess is that it has its own crystal that is free running, even with the external ref. -ch de AI6KG On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 6:24 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > I have the K3EXREF and XTCXO3-1 installed on my K3s and have a Jackson Labs > LC-XO-Plus GPSDO attached to the factory-installed port. The config setting > REF*CAL shows the * to be blinking, indicating data is being received. > > I tuned into WWV 10MHz and found that my K3s time was pretty far off, based > on the audible signal. Using Config:Time, I can adjust the time to match > the > audible beat. I guess the K3EXREF address frequency but not clock time? > > I have a separate GPSDO running from ToyNTP http://www.dxatlas.com/ToyNtp/ > to keep my PC on time to less than +/- 50 microseconds. There's some high > latency somewhere... But digital modes like WSPR have adequately accurate > reference time. > > Bret/N4SRN > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > nabble.com/K3S-10MHz-GPSDO-Frequency-Time-tp7621858.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ch at murgatroid.com > From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Aug 28 00:21:02 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 04:21:02 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Internal Battery Question Message-ID: I just installed the KBT2 battery option in the K2, and have a question which the manual does not address. I leave the K2 untouched for two or three weeks at a time, at my operating QTH which is 100 miles from my home in town. For safety?s sake should the battery be removed when the rig just sits for that amount of time? Removing it isn?t difficult, but it isn?t a trivial matter either. If it is OK to leave it in the transceiver, should the battery switch be set to off? The rig isn?t likely to be turned on accidentally while I?m away. In fact, I can?t imagine how that could ever happen. Just wondering if disconnecting it from the K2 would be prudent. Thanks for any advice, Ted, KN1CBR From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 28 08:25:52 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:25:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Internal Battery Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74630279-a9cd-0db3-3ce5-6af85dfe7d06@embarqmail.com> Ted, I see no harm in leaving the K2 internal battery installed and turned on for long periods of time. The main reason for the battery switch is to prevent accidently powering the K2 during transport. The internal battery in my K2 has been installed and the switch turned on for several years. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/28/2016 12:21 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > I just installed the KBT2 battery option in the K2, and have a question which the manual does not address. > > I leave the K2 untouched for two or three weeks at a time, at my operating QTH which is 100 miles from my home in town. > > For safety?s sake should the battery be removed when the rig just sits for that amount of time? Removing it isn?t difficult, but it isn?t a trivial matter either. > > From rfphelps at snet.net Sun Aug 28 08:52:24 2016 From: rfphelps at snet.net (rfphelps) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:52:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 For Sale! -- HAS BEEN SOLD! Message-ID: <004501d2012b$08056b00$18104100$@net> My K1, s/n 0867, has been sold. Thanks to all for your interest! Dick Phelps, K1SW From ww2pt at hotmail.com Sun Aug 28 09:02:10 2016 From: ww2pt at hotmail.com (Paul Lannuier) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:02:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] AM mode added to the KX2 In-Reply-To: <581AA54C-B9F0-4749-9921-09C3A2B979F1@elecraft.com> References: <581AA54C-B9F0-4749-9921-09C3A2B979F1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hi Wayne, I'd like to give the AM update a try. Thanks, Paul WW2PT Sent from my iPad > On Aug 24, 2016, at 1:45 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi all, > > We added AM mode to the KX2 today, both transmit and receive. Its primary purpose is for SWL (short-wave listening), i.e. copying commercial AM stations. (Remember that the KX2's sensitivity drops off rapidly below 2 MHz due to protective high-pass filtering, so it wouldn't be your first choice for AM brodcast-band DXing.) > > AM transmit is far less efficient than SSB, so it would typically be used only if the target receiver can't demodulate SSB, or for special applications. For example, there's some AM activity and experimentation in the ham bands, notably around 3.870 kHz at night. I'll have to drop in with 10 watts (carrier + sidebands) and get a report :) > > While the KX2 was optimized for SSB, AM mode sounds fine, and of course is easier to tune than when using SSB modes with AM. In AM mode, the operator can select 1, 5, 9, or 10 kHz steps for course tuning using the VFO CRS menu entry. (Yes, some countries use 9 kHz intervals between stations.) > > If you're interested in testing AM mode on the KX2, please email me directly. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ww2pt at hotmail.com From etksubs at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 09:40:02 2016 From: etksubs at gmail.com (E T) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 09:40:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift Message-ID: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> I?ve had my KX3 for a few months, got it with the KXBC3 charger and clock. However, the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month. Considering the cost of the option I would expect it to be a little more reliable... :-P Has anyone else seen this? Is there an adjustment for drift? Thanks and 73, Erik Tkal - W1QED From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 09:46:05 2016 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 09:46:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have noticed the same thing. I was portable and wanted to use the KX3 clock to set my Raspberry Pi's clock I was using for JT65. I was shocked at how far afield the KX3 time was. I fortunately had downloaded a GPS app to my smartphone that gave me the GPS system time and this was enough to get me to within a second of the time that most other JT65 users were using (as sync'ed from time services from the internet). I too would like to have Elecraft look into the clock drift. regards, Brian VE3IBW On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 9:40 AM, E T wrote: > I?ve had my KX3 for a few months, got it with the KXBC3 charger and > clock. However, the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month. > Considering the cost of the option I would expect it to be a little more > reliable... :-P > > Has anyone else seen this? Is there an adjustment for drift? > > Thanks and 73, > Erik Tkal - W1QED > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brian.waterworth at gmail.com From z_kevino at hotmail.com Sun Aug 28 09:52:03 2016 From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:52:03 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com>, Message-ID: Wish the KX3 had an actual GPS add on board. It could grab the time, as well as use the PPS for other things. -Kevin (KK4YEL) No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! > On Aug 28, 2016, at 09:48, Brian Waterworth wrote: > > I have noticed the same thing. I was portable and wanted to use the KX3 > clock to set my Raspberry Pi's clock I was using for JT65. I was shocked > at how far afield the KX3 time was. I fortunately had downloaded a GPS app > to my smartphone that gave me the GPS system time and this was enough to > get me to within a second of the time that most other JT65 users were using > (as sync'ed from time services from the internet). > > I too would like to have Elecraft look into the clock drift. > > regards, > Brian > VE3IBW > >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 9:40 AM, E T wrote: >> >> I?ve had my KX3 for a few months, got it with the KXBC3 charger and >> clock. However, the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month. >> Considering the cost of the option I would expect it to be a little more >> reliable... :-P >> >> Has anyone else seen this? Is there an adjustment for drift? >> >> Thanks and 73, >> Erik Tkal - W1QED >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to brian.waterworth at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to z_kevino at hotmail.com From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Aug 28 09:59:38 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:59:38 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3HDMI][P3] PX3 to HDMI Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen Message-ID: Since you asked . . . These would not be high priority for me, though if the PX3 could drive a large screen I might make use of it. HDMI would be the better choice. Option number 2 ? text on the P3 screen ? is not important to me for two reasons. For one, in all the years I have owned it I have never used the K3?s text decode even though I am 100% CW. And if text did appear on the P3 screen, I wouldn?t be able to read it on that screen anyway. Too small. What I would have liked, had they been developed in this order, would have been an SVGA panadapter device without its own chassis and screen. Right now my P3 is used solely to drive a large monitor. Other than pushing its programmable buttons now and then I never look at the P3 itself. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 08:08:39 -0700 (MST) From: "Joe Stone (KF5WBO)" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3HDMI][P3] PX3 to HDMI Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen Message-ID: <1472310519477-7621849.post at n2.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've attempted to fold in the feedback thus far. If you haven't already, please reply to this thread if you're interested in one or both of these new features. PX3 TO LARGE SCREEN Feature #1A (preferred). Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3HDMI) to connect a PX3 to a large screen through an HDMI interface. Feature #1B. Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3SVGA) to connect a PX3 to large screen through an SVGA interface. DECODED / TRANSMITTED TEXT TO NATIVE P3 SCREEN Feature #2. Elecraft (Paul Saffren, N6HZ) to modify the P3 firmware to write, * text decoded by the K3, and * text to be transmitted / transmitted text to the P3 TFT-LCD screen (without the need for a P3SVGA). This firmware change must continue to support the existing P3 Tx Mon (Transmit Monitor) option, for example, displaying the power output and SWR displays in place of the decoded text during transmit, http://wickedstone.com/KF5WBO/P3SVGAwithDecodedText.jpg 73's Joe KF5WBO From cautery at montac.com Sun Aug 28 10:01:00 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 09:01:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com> Mmmm... not JUST the KX3! ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/28/2016 8:52 AM, kevino z wrote: > Wish the KX3 had an actual GPS add on board. It could grab the time, as well as use the PPS for other things. > -Kevin (KK4YEL) > > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! > >> On Aug 28, 2016, at 09:48, Brian Waterworth wrote: >> >> I have noticed the same thing. I was portable and wanted to use the KX3 >> clock to set my Raspberry Pi's clock I was using for JT65. I was shocked >> at how far afield the KX3 time was. I fortunately had downloaded a GPS app >> to my smartphone that gave me the GPS system time and this was enough to >> get me to within a second of the time that most other JT65 users were using >> (as sync'ed from time services from the internet). >> >> I too would like to have Elecraft look into the clock drift. >> >> regards, >> Brian >> VE3IBW >> >>> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 9:40 AM, E T wrote: >>> >>> I?ve had my KX3 for a few months, got it with the KXBC3 charger and >>> clock. However, the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month. >>> Considering the cost of the option I would expect it to be a little more >>> reliable... :-P >>> >>> Has anyone else seen this? Is there an adjustment for drift? >>> >>> Thanks and 73, >>> Erik Tkal - W1QED >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to brian.waterworth at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to z_kevino at hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 28 10:19:44 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:19:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com> References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> <0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com> Message-ID: <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com> I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my sandwiches cool while portable. Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for use during contest periods. :-) 73, Don W3FPR On 8/28/2016 10:01 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > Mmmm... not JUST the KX3! w/PPS INSIDE the K3s> > > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Aug 28 10:28:55 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 07:28:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com> References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> <0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com> <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <89589a82-874c-ae13-cde7-8e0ddfab562c@socal.rr.com> Maybe just buy a $15 wristwatch with a 10 year battery made by Casio and set it every week or so ? :-) Phil W7OX On 8/28/16 7:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my > sandwiches cool while portable. > Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for > use during contest periods. :-) > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/28/2016 10:01 AM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Mmmm... not JUST the KX3! > thought of an ONBOARD GPSDO >> w/PPS INSIDE the K3s> >> >> > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 28 10:30:55 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:30:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Does the KXUSBa (USB to 3.5mm) Have a Level Converter Inside? In-Reply-To: <3b78332f-f719-a24d-568f-3adabe95efdb@rogers.com> References: <3b78332f-f719-a24d-568f-3adabe95efdb@rogers.com> Message-ID: Ken, I do not know the signalling voltage developed by the KXUSB. I do know that the KX3 (and other devices using the KUSB cable) are capable of receiving the full RS-232 levels, but will only send a 5 volt level. The KXUSB FTDI chip is powered from the USB 5 volt source, so it is a possibility that the voltage will not exceed 5 volts. HOWEVER, I would suggest measuring the voltage levels at the plug of the KXUSB to be certain before connecting it to your FT-817. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/27/2016 2:39 PM, Ken Alexander wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm thinking of using a KXUSB cable for CAT control of an FT-817ND. > The 817 apparently cannot use RS232 straight from a computer (as the > K2 couldn't as I recall) and requires a level converter. However, I > have a handful of KXUSB cables now and was wondering if using one with > my 817 will be as simple as making an adapter to go from the 3.5mm > plug to the 8-pin mini-DIN that plugs into the 817. > > So, long story short; can I go straight from a KXUSB to an FT-817 > without a level converter or do I need to add one inline. I'd prefer > not to find out the hard way! :-) > > Many thanks, > > Ken Alexander > VE3HLS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From kengkopp at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 10:34:22 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:34:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <89589a82-874c-ae13-cde7-8e0ddfab562c@socal.rr.com> References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> <0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com> <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com> <89589a82-874c-ae13-cde7-8e0ddfab562c@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Virtually everyone has cellphone at hand and it will provide the most accurate time commonly available. 73! K0PP From kk5f at earthlink.net Sun Aug 28 10:55:19 2016 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 09:55:19 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift Message-ID: <26792155.1472396120132.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my sandwiches cool while portable. > Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for use during contest > periods. :-) I would be suprised that even as a joke the listing above could win any arguments for the extraordinary lack of performance of Elecraft RTCs. A $5 watch does better by orders of magnitude...even the Dallas Semiconductor RTC in 30-year-old Kantronics hardware does better. The manufacturer specs for all the Elecraft RTC chips promise much better. Unlike the items in the quoted listing, a customer does indeed have every right to expect a competent RTC implementation when he purchases the option. No??? Elecraft fans often have a great tendency to dismiss without substantive basis any non-worshipful criticism...at least as far as I've observed in 16 years as an owner and list member. :-) Mike / KK5F From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Aug 28 11:06:30 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:06:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <26792155.1472396120132.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <26792155.1472396120132.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: QSL On 8/28/2016 7:55 AM, Mike Morrow wrote: > Elecraft fans often have a great tendency to dismiss without substantive basis > any non-worshipful criticism...at least as far as I've observed in 16 years as > an owner and list member. :-) > Mike / KK5F > ______________________________________________________________ > From raysills3 at verizon.net Sun Aug 28 11:21:19 2016 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:21:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: References: <26792155.1472396120132.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <53D03855-D21E-4012-A973-6711C27067D6@verizon.net> OTOH, many criticisms have resulted in improvements in the products. Wayne and Eric are quite capable of tolerating criticism, so owners are more than welcome to point out any deficiency or problem. That?s why people like Elecraft products: having the ear of the company. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 > On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > QSL > > On 8/28/2016 7:55 AM, Mike Morrow wrote: >> Elecraft fans often have a great tendency to dismiss without substantive basis any non-worshipful criticism...at least as far as I've observed in 16 years as an owner and list member. :-) >> Mike / KK5F >> ______________________________________________________________ >> > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Aug 28 11:21:49 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:21:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <26792155.1472396120132.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <26792155.1472396120132.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8d8405ae-cb18-c85d-1df4-a06b8dc6bfd0@socal.rr.com> I think you overreact a bit, Mike. I can criticize Elecraft with the best of them if a product does not do as promised. But nowhere in any spec or promise have I seen highly accurate time-keeping -- but perhaps my reading skills fail me with age. In my shack I have a large LaCrosse clock, updated nightly by WWVH or some such: $35 or so on line. On my wrist I often wear a Casio wristwatch with similar capabilities (NOT in that price range). I prefer Elecraft to focus on what they do best, not capabilities I can obtain elsewhere at very reasonable cost. 73, Phil W7OX On 8/28/16 7:55 AM, Mike Morrow wrote: > Elecraft fans often have a great tendency to dismiss without substantive basis any non-worshipful criticism...at least as far as I've observed in 16 years as an owner and list member. :-) > > Mike / KK5F From k1ike at snet.net Sun Aug 28 11:58:48 2016 From: k1ike at snet.net (JOE) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:58:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software Message-ID: <7044626e-2d05-2aae-6114-2d904fe58aaf@snet.net> Hello to All, I'm having trouble with connecting to the W-2 wattmeter with the Elecraft W2 Interface software available on the website using an internet connection. The wattmeter is V1.00 software and the W-2 software is V1.12.1.18 The error is "Looking for a W2 on Network". I had this working in the past and now it has me stumped. Using Putty communication software I can connect to the remote W-2 and it responds with V1.00 when I invoke the "V" command so I know the connection is good. Using a direct connection to the W2 from the computer com port works fine. I'm using the factory cable that did work in the past. The W2 Interface software is set up with Network (TCP/IP) checked, Client, and the server IP and port that worked with Putty. This has me stumped. It has to be something simple that I am missing. 73, Joe, K1ike From rv6amark at yahoo.com Sun Aug 28 12:02:10 2016 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 09:02:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift Message-ID: Re: ?"...the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month." I didn't buy the KXBC3 for the clock, and I don't expect it to automatically sync with WWV or GPS, but mine seems to be sensitive to applied voltage: If I leave 14v applied to my KX3, it gains a few seconds per day, probably not far off what yours loses, ?Erik. ?If l remove the 14v supply and store the KX3 in my day pack for a week or more, it will be an hour or more off next time I check it. ?I can't remember if it gains or loses though. ?I need to quantify that a bit better. It works, but certainly isn't up to the level of performance we usually see from Elecraft. Mark KE6BB From kstover at ac0h.net Sun Aug 28 12:05:02 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:05:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3HDMI][P3] PX3 to HDMI Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ditto. On 8/28/2016 8:59 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote > Option number 2 ? text on the P3 screen ? is not important to me for two reasons. For one, in all the years I have owned it I have never used the K3?s text decode even though I am 100% CW. And if text did appear on the P3 screen, I wouldn?t be able to read it on that screen anyway. Too small. -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kwroberson at yahoo.com Sun Aug 28 12:04:23 2016 From: kwroberson at yahoo.com (Ken Roberson) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:04:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] PR-6 for sale References: <1718360704.991072.1472400263601.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1718360704.991072.1472400263601@mail.yahoo.com> For sale PR6 - 6 meter preamp$65.00 I ship CONUSEmail good on qrzKen K5DNL From charles9415 at att.net Sun Aug 28 12:22:19 2016 From: charles9415 at att.net (Chuck Guenther) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:22:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] fast becoming my favorite radio Message-ID: I've only had KX2 serial No. 857 for about ten days. It was purchased as a replacement for my KX1, to be used primarily for portable operations while on vacation. However, I'm finding it so much fun to operate it at home, it has displaced my K2-10 on my operating desk. (In case anyone is tempted to ask, I have no plans to sell the K2 that I built 10 years ago; rather I am giving it to my son). I'm perhaps unusual in that I'm an avid DX'er who has never before used a transceiver with "dual watch." So I'm finding the KX2 a perfect trainer in learning to listen to both sides of a DX pileup at once, using a stereo headset. I may be wrong, but the KX2 does not appear to have a balance control. However, the individual R/L volume controls on my MFJ-392B headphones serve the purpose. I made a ten watt QSO, and a five watt QSO with the recent CY9C expedition, using dual watch. Great fun! Some day I will purchase a second receiver for my K3. Thanks to Elecraft for its continuing innovation and superb products. 73, Chuck NI0C KX1; KX2; K2-10, K3/P3 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w1tef at swsports.org Sun Aug 28 12:39:26 2016 From: w1tef at swsports.org (Tom Francis) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 12:39:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] fast becoming my favorite radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <829063a2-a302-7f81-7f09-26fd376efc6b@swsports.org> Same here - I like it a lot - perfect size for just messing around - I have the KX3 if I want to get serious. :-) Tom, W1TEF On 8/28/2016 12:22 PM, Chuck Guenther wrote: > I've only had KX2 serial No. 857 for about ten days. It was purchased > as a replacement for my KX1, to be used primarily for portable > operations while on vacation. However, I'm finding it so much fun to > operate it at home, it has displaced my K2-10 on my operating desk. > (In case anyone is tempted to ask, I have no plans to sell the K2 that > I built 10 years ago; rather I am giving it to my son). > > > I'm perhaps unusual in that I'm an avid DX'er who has never before > used a transceiver with "dual watch." So I'm finding the KX2 a perfect > trainer in learning to listen to both sides of a DX pileup at once, > using a stereo headset. I may be wrong, but the KX2 does not appear > to have a balance control. However, the individual R/L volume controls > on my MFJ-392B headphones serve the purpose. > > I made a ten watt QSO, and a five watt QSO with the recent CY9C > expedition, using dual watch. Great fun! Some day I will purchase a > second receiver for my K3. > > Thanks to Elecraft for its continuing innovation and superb products. > > 73, > Chuck NI0C > KX1; KX2; K2-10, K3/P3 > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1tef at swsports.org > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 12:46:53 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 12:46:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E9E8187-22D4-46AB-AE2F-0EC8799AC182@gmail.com> > > Re: "...the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month.? > You know a radio must be pretty good when the complaints start drifting off to how accurate (or not) it is as a timepiece ;-) Grant NQ5T From cautery at montac.com Sun Aug 28 12:58:34 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:58:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com> References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> <0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com> <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <3a894d77-358d-79c4-9f33-910a93e9398e@montac.com> So you think an onboard GPS is absurd, Don? We can dream... we can dream. :-) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/28/2016 9:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my sandwiches cool while > portable. > Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for use during contest > periods. :-) > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/28/2016 10:01 AM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Mmmm... not JUST the KX3! > w/PPS INSIDE the K3s> >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From cautery at montac.com Sun Aug 28 13:01:59 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 12:01:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> <0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com> <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com> <89589a82-874c-ae13-cde7-8e0ddfab562c@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: OK Ken... How do you propose to get that "uber-accurate" time from the cell phone into the radio? ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/28/2016 9:34 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Virtually everyone has cellphone at hand and it will provide the most > accurate time commonly available. > > 73! > > K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From john at eeek.org.uk Sun Aug 28 12:45:31 2016 From: john at eeek.org.uk (John) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:45:31 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software In-Reply-To: <7044626e-2d05-2aae-6114-2d904fe58aaf@snet.net> References: <7044626e-2d05-2aae-6114-2d904fe58aaf@snet.net> Message-ID: <008a01d2014b$97389b10$c5a9d130$@eeek.org.uk> Hi Joe, I'd not realised until now that you can do this with the W2, but I'm looking to set mine up to test this now for you! I assume you have the same W2 software running at both ends? It looks to me that the network function simply bridges the software at both sides, based on the manual. When you say you are connecting to the remote W2, where are you doing this? >From the 'client' machine? From the 'server' machine connected to the W2? If from the 'client', what exact settings are you using? You've not got anything like Windows Firewall running on either end, have you? Have any updates been done on either PC? What OSs are you working with? 73, and a firm left handshake, John (XLX) -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JOE Sent: 28 August 2016 16:59 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software Hello to All, I'm having trouble with connecting to the W-2 wattmeter with the Elecraft W2 Interface software available on the website using an internet connection. The wattmeter is V1.00 software and the W-2 software is V1.12.1.18 The error is "Looking for a W2 on Network". I had this working in the past and now it has me stumped. Using Putty communication software I can connect to the remote W-2 and it responds with V1.00 when I invoke the "V" command so I know the connection is good. Using a direct connection to the W2 from the computer com port works fine. I'm using the factory cable that did work in the past. The W2 Interface software is set up with Network (TCP/IP) checked, Client, and the server IP and port that worked with Putty. This has me stumped. It has to be something simple that I am missing. 73, Joe, K1ike ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to john at eeek.org.uk From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Sun Aug 28 13:06:00 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:06:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3HDMI][P3] PX3 to HDMI Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1472403960408-7621889.post@n2.nabble.com> > Since you asked . . . Actually, I asked "if *you're interested in* one or both of these new features ... please reply to this thread". Wayne is trying to gauge how many PX3 HDMI Large Screen Adapters he'll sell, not how many PX3 HDMI Large Screen Adapters he won't sell. I don't own a K3. I have no plans to purchase a K3. I could have said displaying decoded text on the native P3 screen should be a low priority. However, that would have been selfish on my part. I chimed in when it was (incorrectly) stated that the P3SVGA (and PX3) decodes text and that the P3 could never display decoded text without a P3SVGA. Wayne confirmed it's simply a "Small matter of programming." I left it to reflector participants to express their interest in this feature. I currently display decoded text and text to be transmitted on my PX3 screen using a 5 x 7 font. That's 335 text characters across five lines. I appreciate the fact that not everyone can comfortably see 5 x 7 text characters on a 4-1/4" diagonal screen. However, I see no reason why the P3 shouldn't support those who can. Would I prefer to view decoded and transmitted text on a larger screen connected to my PX3 via an HDMI cable? Absolutely. That's why I proposed the new feature. 73's Joe KF5WBO Message: 13 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 08:08:39 -0700 (MST) From: "Joe Stone (KF5WBO)" <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3HDMI][P3] PX3 to HDMI Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen Message-ID: <[hidden email]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've attempted to fold in the feedback thus far. If you haven't already, please reply to this thread if you're interested in one or both of these new features. PX3 TO LARGE SCREEN Feature #1A (preferred). Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3HDMI) to connect a PX3 to a large screen through an HDMI interface. Feature #1B. Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3SVGA) to connect a PX3 to large screen through an SVGA interface. DECODED / TRANSMITTED TEXT TO NATIVE P3 SCREEN Feature #2. Elecraft (Paul Saffren, N6HZ) to modify the P3 firmware to write, * text decoded by the K3, and * text to be transmitted / transmitted text to the P3 TFT-LCD screen (without the need for a P3SVGA). This firmware change must continue to support the existing P3 Tx Mon (Transmit Monitor) option, for example, displaying the power output and SWR displays in place of the decoded text during transmit, http://wickedstone.com/KF5WBO/P3SVGAwithDecodedText.jpg 73's Joe KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-PX3HDMI-P3-PX3-to-HDMI-Large-Screen-and-Decoded-Text-to-Native-P3-Screen-tp7621869p7621889.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Aug 28 13:06:18 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:06:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS In-Reply-To: <3a894d77-358d-79c4-9f33-910a93e9398e@montac.com> References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> <0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com> <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com> <3a894d77-358d-79c4-9f33-910a93e9398e@montac.com> Message-ID: <6219f0aa-a78e-f48d-9748-6d86e94e4038@socal.rr.com> As a matter of curiosity because I've not looked into it: Are there any ham transceivers with on-board GPS receivers? Phil W7OX On 8/28/16 9:58 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > So you think an onboard GPS is absurd, Don? > > We can dream... we can dream. :-) > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 8/28/2016 9:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my sandwiches cool while >> portable. >> Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for use during contest >> periods. :-) >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 8/28/2016 10:01 AM, Clay Autery wrote: >>> Mmmm... not JUST the KX3! >> w/PPS INSIDE the K3s> From joel.b.black at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 13:10:16 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 12:10:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3HDMI][P3] PX3 to HDMI Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have seen this pop up several times over the past few days. I cannot seem to find the OP. My only question - does this originate with Elecraft or the reflector? Thanks. 73, Joel - W4JBB > > PX3 TO LARGE SCREEN > > Feature #1A (preferred). Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., > PX3HDMI) to > connect a PX3 to a large screen through an HDMI interface. > > Feature #1B. Elecraft to develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3SVGA) to > connect a > PX3 to large screen through an SVGA interface. > > DECODED / TRANSMITTED TEXT TO NATIVE P3 SCREEN > > Feature #2. Elecraft (Paul Saffren, N6HZ) to modify the P3 firmware to > write, > > * text decoded by the K3, and > * text to be transmitted / transmitted text > > to the P3 TFT-LCD screen (without the need for a P3SVGA). This firmware > change > must continue to support the existing P3 Tx Mon (Transmit Monitor) > option, for > example, displaying the power output and SWR displays in place of the > decoded > text during transmit, > > http://wickedstone.com/KF5WBO/P3SVGAwithDecodedText.jpg > > 73's > > Joe > KF5WBO From ppauly at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 13:17:31 2016 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:17:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS In-Reply-To: <6219f0aa-a78e-f48d-9748-6d86e94e4038@socal.rr.com> References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> <0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com> <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com> <3a894d77-358d-79c4-9f33-910a93e9398e@montac.com> <6219f0aa-a78e-f48d-9748-6d86e94e4038@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Flexradio offers a GPSDO option for their receivers. It's made by Jackson Labs (and it isn't cheap): http://cart.flexradio.com/FLEX-65006700-GPSDO-Upgrade_p_899.html It's internal to the radio. On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > As a matter of curiosity because I've not looked into it: Are there any > ham transceivers with on-board GPS receivers? > > Phil W7OX > > On 8/28/16 9:58 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > >> So you think an onboard GPS is absurd, Don? >> >> We can dream... we can dream. :-) >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >> On 8/28/2016 9:19 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >>> I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my sandwiches cool while >>> portable. >>> Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for use during contest >>> periods. :-) >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 8/28/2016 10:01 AM, Clay Autery wrote: >>> >>>> Mmmm... not JUST the KX3! >>> w/PPS INSIDE the K3s> >>>> >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ppauly at gmail.com > From dan.boardman at shreditfast.com Sun Aug 28 13:21:51 2016 From: dan.boardman at shreditfast.com (Dan Boardman) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:21:51 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: USED KX2 - Anyone? In-Reply-To: <829063a2-a302-7f81-7f09-26fd376efc6b@swsports.org> References: <829063a2-a302-7f81-7f09-26fd376efc6b@swsports.org> Message-ID: <12B13D2C29AFFE44B60C83DC6B79921F66F7E61A@MBX023-W1-CA-4.exch023.domain.local> Wonder if anyone on list for one reason or another wants to sell a KX2? I know its new, but just in case! Thanks much Please email me directly - dan.boardman AT shreditfast DOT com Dan - NB1C From phystad at mac.com Sun Aug 28 13:21:49 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:21:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <8d8405ae-cb18-c85d-1df4-a06b8dc6bfd0@socal.rr.com> References: <26792155.1472396120132.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8d8405ae-cb18-c85d-1df4-a06b8dc6bfd0@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Ditto! Well, actually, I did once have an accurate (for its day) clock on my receiver, my HQ-170AC, back in or about 1964 to 1967. Being run by a synchronous motor, the local power company had the job of keeping my clock accurate (feature of AGC controlling ACE and Frequency). But, today, in my opinion of course, a clock on a radio is a feature that I would exchange for a half dozen or more other features better suited to using the radio itself. Yes, there is a clock feature on my K3 and it is very thoroughly ignored by me. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Aug 28, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > I think you overreact a bit, Mike. I can criticize Elecraft with the best of them if a product does not do as promised. But nowhere in any spec or promise have I seen highly accurate time-keeping -- but perhaps my reading skills fail me with age. > > In my shack I have a large LaCrosse clock, updated nightly by WWVH or some such: $35 or so on line. On my wrist I often wear a Casio wristwatch with similar capabilities (NOT in that price range). > > I prefer Elecraft to focus on what they do best, not capabilities I can obtain elsewhere at very reasonable cost. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 8/28/16 7:55 AM, Mike Morrow wrote: >> Elecraft fans often have a great tendency to dismiss without substantive basis any non-worshipful criticism...at least as far as I've observed in 16 years as an owner and list member. :-) >> >> Mike / KK5F > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Sun Aug 28 13:32:55 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:32:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] fast becoming my favorite radio In-Reply-To: <829063a2-a302-7f81-7f09-26fd376efc6b@swsports.org> References: <829063a2-a302-7f81-7f09-26fd376efc6b@swsports.org> Message-ID: <1472405575304-7621895.post@n2.nabble.com> What are the *key* KX3 features which make it more "serious" than a KX2? I'm not looking for an exhaustive feature comparison. I can find that in the color brochure. For those who use a KX3 as their primary HF rig at the home QTH, which features (unique to the KX3) are critical? Joe KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-fast-becoming-my-favorite-radio-tp7621883p7621895.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Aug 28 13:43:31 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:43:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 Clock Drift Message-ID: Doesn?t the K3 Utility have a one-click process for setting the K3?s on-board clock time to UTC Internet time? It doesn?t make the clock any more accurate, but it does offer a way of resetting without getting into the configuration menu. As I recall it?s in the KX3 Utility as well. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:34:22 -0600 From: Ken G Kopp To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Virtually everyone has cellphone at hand and it will provide the most accurate time commonly available. 73! K0PP From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Sun Aug 28 13:45:04 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:45:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [PX3][PX3HDMI][P3] PX3 to HDMI Large Screen; and Decoded Text to Native P3 Screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1472406304260-7621896.post@n2.nabble.com> > My only question - does this originate with Elecraft or the reflector? Reflector. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-PX3HDMI-P3-PX3-to-HDMI-Large-Screen-and-Decoded-Text-to-Native-P3-Screen-tp7621869p7621896.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 13:46:36 2016 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:46:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> <0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com> <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com> <89589a82-874c-ae13-cde7-8e0ddfab562c@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: No need ... my eyes can view a cellphone as easily as on a radio's display ... maybe easier / quicker if I have to call it up into the display. (Mine has about a half inch high display.) That's assuming that the name of the game is simply knowing what time it is, as opposed to "playing" with a radio's features...... 73 K0PP On Aug 28, 2016 11:03, "Clay Autery" wrote: > OK Ken... How do you propose to get that "uber-accurate" time from the > cell phone into the radio? > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 8/28/2016 9:34 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Virtually everyone has cellphone at hand and it will provide the most > > accurate time commonly available. > > > > 73! > > > > K0PP > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com > From ron at cobi.biz Sun Aug 28 13:59:39 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:59:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S 10MHz GPSDO Frequency & Time? In-Reply-To: <1472347484472-7621858.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472347484472-7621858.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <002201d20155$f2836130$d78a2390$@biz> The clock has its own oscillator that runs from the battery inside your K3S. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of MaverickNH Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:25 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S 10MHz GPSDO Frequency & Time? I have the K3EXREF and XTCXO3-1 installed on my K3s and have a Jackson Labs LC-XO-Plus GPSDO attached to the factory-installed port. The config setting REF*CAL shows the * to be blinking, indicating data is being received. I tuned into WWV 10MHz and found that my K3s time was pretty far off, based on the audible signal. Using Config:Time, I can adjust the time to match the audible beat. I guess the K3EXREF address frequency but not clock time? I have a separate GPSDO running from ToyNTP http://www.dxatlas.com/ToyNtp/ to keep my PC on time to less than +/- 50 microseconds. There's some high latency somewhere... But digital modes like WSPR have adequately accurate reference time. Bret/N4SRN From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 28 14:04:12 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 19:04:12 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <0E9E8187-22D4-46AB-AE2F-0EC8799AC182@gmail.com> References: <0E9E8187-22D4-46AB-AE2F-0EC8799AC182@gmail.com> Message-ID: Funnily enough the IC-7300 guys were complaining about the same thing ;-) 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 28 Aug 2016, at 17:46, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > > >> >> Re: "...the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month.? > > You know a radio must be pretty good when the complaints start drifting off to how accurate (or not) it is as a timepiece ;-) > > Grant NQ5T > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From k9yeq at live.com Sun Aug 28 14:04:40 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:04:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software In-Reply-To: <7044626e-2d05-2aae-6114-2d904fe58aaf@snet.net> References: <7044626e-2d05-2aae-6114-2d904fe58aaf@snet.net> Message-ID: Try checking to be sure you have enabled an available comm port. Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JOE Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 10:59 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software Hello to All, I'm having trouble with connecting to the W-2 wattmeter with the Elecraft W2 Interface software available on the website using an internet connection. The wattmeter is V1.00 software and the W-2 software is V1.12.1.18 The error is "Looking for a W2 on Network". I had this working in the past and now it has me stumped. Using Putty communication software I can connect to the remote W-2 and it responds with V1.00 when I invoke the "V" command so I know the connection is good. Using a direct connection to the W2 from the computer com port works fine. I'm using the factory cable that did work in the past. The W2 Interface software is set up with Network (TCP/IP) checked, Client, and the server IP and port that worked with Putty. This has me stumped. It has to be something simple that I am missing. 73, Joe, K1ike ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Sun Aug 28 14:12:14 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:12:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <26792155.1472396120132.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> <26792155.1472396120132.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1472407934542-7621901.post@n2.nabble.com> Mike, > The manufacturer specs for all the Elecraft RTC chips promise much better. What Elecraft RTC chips are you referring to? The KXBC3 keeps time using a PIC microcontroller. > ... a customer does indeed have every right to expect a competent RTC > implementation when he purchases the option. No??? I would say a customer has every right to see the schematic. He/she can then judge for him/herself whether the RTC implementation is competent, http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX3SchematicDiagramDec2012.pdf Speaking of which ... when can we expect to see the KX2 schematics? 73's Joe KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KXBC3-clock-drift-tp7621866p7621901.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cautery at montac.com Sun Aug 28 14:16:54 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:16:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS In-Reply-To: References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> <0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com> <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com> <3a894d77-358d-79c4-9f33-910a93e9398e@montac.com> <6219f0aa-a78e-f48d-9748-6d86e94e4038@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Jackson Labs makes REALLY nice stuff... And THAT is not expensive in the grand scheme of things... LOTS of GPSDOs et al time/freq standards costing many multiples of that price... :) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/28/2016 12:17 PM, Peter Pauly wrote: > Flexradio offers a GPSDO option for their receivers. It's made by Jackson > Labs (and it isn't cheap): > > http://cart.flexradio.com/FLEX-65006700-GPSDO-Upgrade_p_899.html > > It's internal to the radio. > > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > >> As a matter of curiosity because I've not looked into it: Are there any >> ham transceivers with on-board GPS receivers? >> >> Phil W7OX From g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk Sun Aug 28 14:22:38 2016 From: g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk (Alan. G4GNX) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 19:22:38 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com><0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com><4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com><89589a82-874c-ae13-cde7-8e0ddfab562c@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <891CDEC364B9462BBB3B977288889F0E@LAPTOPBFHNBJ7K> I can't see what all the fuss is about. I like my time to be very accurate - 1 second in 10million years, so I wear a cheap radio controlled watch, which is accurate once a day, but isn't even inaccurate by one second until the next update. FWIW my friends expensive Rolex tracks with it very well too. :-) I don't expect a radio of any sort to show that accuracy and I must admit to hardly ever checking the K3's time. It would only be important to me if I had to set alarms by it. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Rose Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 6:46 PM To: Clay Autery ; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift No need ... my eyes can view a cellphone as easily as on a radio's display ... maybe easier / quicker if I have to call it up into the display. (Mine has about a half inch high display.) That's assuming that the name of the game is simply knowing what time it is, as opposed to "playing" with a radio's features...... 73 K0PP From cautery at montac.com Sun Aug 28 14:23:04 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:23:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 Clock Drift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes and no... the utility will sync time with whatever computer/laptop that is running the utility... The accuracy of the computer is independent of the utility. This is what I am currently doing... I have an NTP client running that is keeping my laptop to within a few milliseconds.... Periodically, I shut down Win4K3 Suite and crank up the K3 Utility, and sync the time... It's a bit fidgety... don't always get a good sync... So the radio is never more accurate than the computer, and seldom matches the computer on sync to less than 1/10th of a second or so best case... luck of the draw/random as to how close the sync ends up... RIght now, not a big deal... but on some of the digital modes, I am given to understand that having the time sync pretty close is key to function... 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/28/2016 12:43 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Doesn?t the K3 Utility have a one-click process for setting the K3?s on-board clock time to UTC Internet time? It doesn?t make the clock any more accurate, but it does offer a way of resetting without getting into the configuration menu. As I recall it?s in the KX3 Utility as well. > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:34:22 -0600 > From: Ken G Kopp > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Virtually everyone has cellphone at hand and it will provide the most > accurate time commonly available. > > 73! > > K0PP > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From cautery at montac.com Sun Aug 28 14:24:27 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:24:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> <0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com> <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com> <89589a82-874c-ae13-cde7-8e0ddfab562c@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <2e3a8749-b7b4-586c-4f5f-48bc1b7d0b85@montac.com> Never mind... ;-) ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/28/2016 12:46 PM, Rose wrote: > > No need ... my eyes can view a cellphone as easily as on a radio's > display ... maybe easier / quicker if I have to call it up into the > display. (Mine has about a half inch high display.) > > That's assuming that the name of the game is simply knowing what time > it is, as opposed to "playing" with a radio's features...... > > 73 > > K0PP > From kstover at ac0h.net Sun Aug 28 14:25:06 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:25:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <0E9E8187-22D4-46AB-AE2F-0EC8799AC182@gmail.com> References: <0E9E8187-22D4-46AB-AE2F-0EC8799AC182@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3964a230-905e-2dc5-8dff-05e9de91bafe@ac0h.net> Well that's it darn it! I won't be happy with my radio till there's and actual cesium clock built in or available as an add on option. That'll make my JT65/JT9 signals hyper accurate...Oh wait...that's the computer clock. I *demand* while Elecraft is fixing my radio's clock they also offer a fix for my computer clock. Oh wait...I'm already running Dimension 4 that adjusts my computer to NIST time every 15 minutes. There's the answer. I *demand* Elecraft make available as an option a motherboard, processor, and sufficient memory to run Windows 10 and D4 on my radio. Of course the video from said radio will need to be displayed directly on a P3. Never mind. I can change the time on the radio manually every couple of months. The above was sarcasm for those who just don't get it. On 8/28/2016 11:46 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: >> Re: "...the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month.? >> > You know a radio must be pretty good when the complaints start drifting off to how accurate (or not) it is as a timepiece ;-) > > Grant NQ5T > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From rv6amark at yahoo.com Sun Aug 28 14:26:11 2016 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:26:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift Message-ID: Re: ?"You know a radio must be pretty good when the complaints start drifting off to how accurate (or not) it is as a timepiece ;-)" That is why I have never complained about it, and I only offered my experience with it as a data point. ?I do, however, need to run controlled tests and spend some time with the schematics to better understand if voltage is a factor, or if something else is causing the differences in time swing. In any case, I have been extremely pleased with my KX3 for over 3 years and I haven't spent much time investigating this yet, so it obviously isn't high on my priority list. ?I usually use my cell phone for time so the KX3 display remains free for other things ( VFO B, batt, current, PA temp, etc.). Mark KE6BB -------- Original message --------From: GRANT YOUNGMAN Date: 8/28/16 9:46 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift > > Re:? "...the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month.? > You know a radio must be pretty good when the complaints start drifting off to how accurate (or not) it is as a timepiece ;-) Grant NQ5T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rv6amark at yahoo.com From ron at cobi.biz Sun Aug 28 14:35:07 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:35:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <53D03855-D21E-4012-A973-6711C27067D6@verizon.net> References: <26792155.1472396120132.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <53D03855-D21E-4012-A973-6711C27067D6@verizon.net> Message-ID: <002301d2015a$e74c56f0$b5e504d0$@biz> There is an argument that if a clock is included it should at perform as well as we expect from other timepieces. Of course the next step beyond a highly-accurate clock that does not require resetting is to have the K3S able to use that time, read frequencies and signal levels, modes, etc., and automatically log each contact through a built-in internet wi-fi or cel phone connection to the on-line logging site of our choice, either in real time or the next time the rig is in range. I just glance at my phone for the accurate time in UTC. 73, Ron AC7AC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Aug 28 14:35:38 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:35:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <53D03855-D21E-4012-A973-6711C27067D6@verizon.net> References: <26792155.1472396120132.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <53D03855-D21E-4012-A973-6711C27067D6@verizon.net> Message-ID: <7f82efec-d085-f3a9-ca60-ab8da63c0264@audiosystemsgroup.com> You are both correct -- I live about 20 miles from Eric, 3 miles from K6XX, and know Wayne from many conversations both on and off the reflector, including several in the bar at ham events. These guys are VERY clear-eyed observers of the scene, and I've never seen "worship" of their product line. No question -- Elecraft products are as good as they are because Eric and Wayne read this reflector every day, because they carefully study the needs/desires of their customers, and because they incorporate many customer suggestions and design advice into their products. And, as a long time member of this reflector (about 12 years) have seen WAY too much "fan worship." But if you think it's bad here, spend a week reading the Ten Tec reflector, where the company and product they still worship no longer exists. :) No product is perfect, but perfection usually comes with increased cost. N7WS has found issues with some products, including his K3, and I've found issues as well. When I was a kid growing up in WV in the '50s, I didn't know anyone who could afford Collins gear, but I saw a lot of Heathkit, Hallicrafters, Hammerlund, Globe, and Viking. One of the great thing about Elecraft is that the gear is as good as it is at far lower cost than competitive products that cost a lot more. And I really love their design concept that a bigger heavier radio is not a better radio. I am SO happy to have those huge FT1000MPs gone from my operating desk. :) 73, Jim K9YC On Sun,8/28/2016 8:21 AM, Ray Sills wrote: > OTOH, many criticisms have resulted in improvements in the products. Wayne and Eric are quite capable of tolerating criticism, so owners are more than welcome to point out any deficiency or problem. That?s why people like Elecraft products: having the ear of the company. > > 73 de Ray > K2ULR > KX3 #211 > > >> On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> >> QSL >> >> On 8/28/2016 7:55 AM, Mike Morrow wrote: >>> Elecraft fans often have a great tendency to dismiss without substantive basis any non-worshipful criticism...at least as far as I've observed in 16 years as an owner and list member. :-) >>> Mike / KK5F From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 28 14:34:37 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 14:34:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <3964a230-905e-2dc5-8dff-05e9de91bafe@ac0h.net> References: <0E9E8187-22D4-46AB-AE2F-0EC8799AC182@gmail.com> <3964a230-905e-2dc5-8dff-05e9de91bafe@ac0h.net> Message-ID: I have a Seiko watch that is extremely accurate twice a day! You just have to know when to look at it. One day I will put a new battery in it.:-) 73, Don W3FPR On 8/28/2016 2:25 PM, Kevin wrote: > Well that's it darn it! > > I won't be happy with my radio till there's and actual cesium clock > built in or available as an add on option. That'll make my JT65/JT9 > signals hyper accurate...Oh wait...that's the computer clock. I > *demand* while Elecraft is fixing my radio's clock they also offer a > fix for my computer clock. Oh wait...I'm already running Dimension 4 > that adjusts my computer to NIST time every 15 minutes. There's the > answer. I *demand* Elecraft make available as an option a motherboard, > processor, and sufficient memory to run Windows 10 and D4 on my radio. > Of course the video from said radio will need to be displayed directly > on a P3. > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Aug 28 14:37:13 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 11:37:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <1472407934542-7621901.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> <26792155.1472396120132.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1472407934542-7621901.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <97034d2e-3f5d-8eab-4bd3-21c4cb50d6c6@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,8/28/2016 11:12 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: > I would say a customer has every right to see the schematic. I think so too, but Elecraft is one of the few mfrs that provides schematics for most, if not all, of their products. 73, Jim K9YC From g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk Sun Aug 28 14:41:01 2016 From: g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk (Alan. G4GNX) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 19:41:01 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS In-Reply-To: <6219f0aa-a78e-f48d-9748-6d86e94e4038@socal.rr.com> References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com><0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com><4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com><3a894d77-358d-79c4-9f33-910a93e9398e@montac.com> <6219f0aa-a78e-f48d-9748-6d86e94e4038@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: I believe that the IC7100 has the facility, but it's an option. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Phil Wheeler Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 6:06 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS As a matter of curiosity because I've not looked into it: Are there any ham transceivers with on-board GPS receivers? Phil W7OX From kstover at ac0h.net Sun Aug 28 14:49:47 2016 From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:49:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 Clock Drift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71ad6529-c7f5-5924-2bc4-5ad772ac5faf@ac0h.net> Won't ever be a big deal. For JT65 and JT9 it's the computer clock that matters. My rigs RTC could be off by an hour and it won't effect the timing of a JT65/JT9 QSO.It would matter if Elecraft decided to add those modes to the radio for direct keying by the on board keyer (God I hope not). On 8/28/2016 1:23 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Yes and no... the utility will sync time with whatever computer/laptop > that is running the utility... The accuracy of the computer is > independent of the utility. > > This is what I am currently doing... I have an NTP client running that > is keeping my laptop to within a few milliseconds.... > Periodically, I shut down Win4K3 Suite and crank up the K3 Utility, and > sync the time... > > It's a bit fidgety... don't always get a good sync... So the radio is > never more accurate than the computer, and seldom matches the computer > on sync to less than 1/10th of a second or so best case... luck of the > draw/random as to how close the sync ends up... > > RIght now, not a big deal... but on some of the digital modes, I am > given to understand that having the time sync pretty close is key to > function... > > > 73, > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 8/28/2016 12:43 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> Doesn?t the K3 Utility have a one-click process for setting the K3?s on-board clock time to UTC Internet time? It doesn?t make the clock any more accurate, but it does offer a way of resetting without getting into the configuration menu. As I recall it?s in the KX3 Utility as well. >> >> Ted, KN1CBR >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:34:22 -0600 >> From: Ken G Kopp >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Virtually everyone has cellphone at hand and it will provide the most >> accurate time commonly available. >> >> 73! >> >> K0PP >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to cautery at montac.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sun Aug 28 15:51:10 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 12:51:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S 10MHz GPSDO Frequency & Time? In-Reply-To: References: <1472347484472-7621858.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1472413870182-7621913.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks y'all - that sets me straight. Clay, if you come up with a solution, let us know! Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-10MHz-GPSDO-Frequency-Time-tp7621858p7621913.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7aqk at cox.net Sun Aug 28 15:53:23 2016 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 12:53:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift Message-ID: Now Don, don't get testy! Hi. Actually, I think the critics may have a good point--especially the ones using digital. For me, it is no big deal, but the clock gets so far off so quickly I have stopped even looking at it. However, the digital users do need some precision in order to get their transmissions timed correctly for an exchange. I don't know why the clock doesn't work so well, but there probably is a good explanation for it. Still, in this day and age when a few bucks can get you a clock that only loses/gains a second or two a month, it's hard to understand why this clock performs so poorly. I don't have a KX2 clock, but I do have one in my KX3. At this moment it is 5 minutes fast, and I last set it to WWV about a month ago. The specs for the KX2 clock say the deviation can be minimized to about 2 seconds per day, so apparently it is a lot better! I have a wrist watch that barely loses or gains 1 second a month--it's solar powered and no GPS involved either! In any event, it is a bit of a misnomer to call the rig accessory a "real time clock"! Hi. However, the clock feature is really an "extra", and not the main reason for buying the accessory in the first place--at least I don't think anyone is doing that. So, it's hard to be too critical of the cost, since that applies mainly to the other features provided by the accessory. It would be nice to better understand the problem, though, so maybe someone from Elecraft can explain it. Then we can all get back to our regularly scheduled program, which is already in progress! Dave W7AQK -------------------------- From: Don Wilhelm To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift Message-ID: <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3 at embarqmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed I would like an icebox in my KX3 to keep my sandwiches cool while portable. Oh, and how about an automatic coffee maker for use during contest periods. :-) From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Aug 28 15:55:44 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 12:55:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <7f82efec-d085-f3a9-ca60-ab8da63c0264@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I certainly agree with Jim about liking light weight radios. I take my K3 out 2 or 3 times a year, and being able to easily carry it is very welcome. My KX3 is a perfect airplane rig. But the real advantage of the radios, and the K3 in particular, is their modular construction. When the K3S came out it was possible to gain most of the advantages of K3S by upgrading a K3. Keeping up with advances in the art is not only cheaper, it's fun installing updates. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/28/16 at 11:35 AM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: >No product is perfect, but perfection usually comes with >increased cost. N7WS has found issues with some products, >including his K3, and I've found issues as well. When I was a >kid growing up in WV in the '50s, I didn't know anyone who >could afford Collins gear, but I saw a lot of Heathkit, >Hallicrafters, Hammerlund, Globe, and Viking. One of the great >thing about Elecraft is that the gear is as good as it is at >far lower cost than competitive products that cost a lot more. >And I really love their design concept that a bigger heavier >radio is not a better radio. I am SO happy to have those huge >FT1000MPs gone from my operating desk. :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | I don't have high-speed | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | internet. I have DSL. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From billgerth at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 28 16:10:22 2016 From: billgerth at embarqmail.com (Bill Gerth) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 15:10:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS In-Reply-To: <6219f0aa-a78e-f48d-9748-6d86e94e4038@socal.rr.com> References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> <0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com> <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com> <3a894d77-358d-79c4-9f33-910a93e9398e@montac.com> <6219f0aa-a78e-f48d-9748-6d86e94e4038@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <379D325F-99FE-4279-8EEC-93FBB99BC65A@embarqmail.com> Hi Phil, My Kenwood TMD710GA mobile ham transceiver has an onboard GPS receiver, synchronized realtime clock, AND a packet TNC. Makes a dandy self-contained APRS system. Granted, it is only for VHF/UHF on the ham bands (no HF). It also makes it really easy to set the KXBC3 clock in my KX3 just before hitting the trail for a SOTA summit, even if I'm out of range on my cell phone. 73, BILL W4RK KX3 S/N 112 On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > As a matter of curiosity because I've not looked into it: Are there any ham transceivers with on-board GPS receivers? > > Phil W7OX > > From dl1sdz at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 16:11:36 2016 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 22:11:36 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] fast becoming my favorite radio In-Reply-To: <1472405575304-7621895.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <829063a2-a302-7f81-7f09-26fd376efc6b@swsports.org> <1472405575304-7621895.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi, The Px3, the rest is nice to have. Sometimes the roofing filter. 73 de Hajo dl1sdz Am 28.08.2016 7:33 nachm. schrieb "Joe Stone (KF5WBO)" < kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com>: > What are the *key* KX3 features which make it more "serious" than a KX2? > I'm > not looking for an exhaustive feature comparison. I can find that in the > color brochure. For those who use a KX3 as their primary HF rig at the > home > QTH, which features (unique to the KX3) are critical? > > Joe > KF5WBO > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2. > nabble.com/KX2-fast-becoming-my-favorite-radio-tp7621883p7621895.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dl1sdz at gmail.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Aug 28 16:12:37 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:12:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS In-Reply-To: <379D325F-99FE-4279-8EEC-93FBB99BC65A@embarqmail.com> References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> <0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com> <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com> <3a894d77-358d-79c4-9f33-910a93e9398e@montac.com> <6219f0aa-a78e-f48d-9748-6d86e94e4038@socal.rr.com> <379D325F-99FE-4279-8EEC-93FBB99BC65A@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <43D814A6-085C-4D19-B5F6-16D050E3B5EF@socal.rr.com> HTs, of course. But I meant HF rigs. Sounds like there may be a few. Phil -- Sent from my iPhone 5S > On Aug 28, 2016, at 13:10, Bill Gerth wrote: > > Hi Phil, > > My Kenwood TMD710GA mobile ham transceiver has an onboard GPS receiver, synchronized realtime clock, AND a packet TNC. Makes a dandy self-contained APRS system. Granted, it is only for VHF/UHF on the ham bands (no HF). It also makes it really easy to set the KXBC3 clock in my KX3 just before hitting the trail for a SOTA summit, even if I'm out of range on my cell phone. > > 73, > BILL > W4RK > KX3 S/N 112 > > > > >> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >> As a matter of curiosity because I've not looked into it: Are there any ham transceivers with on-board GPS receivers? >> >> Phil W7OX > From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Aug 28 16:15:31 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:15:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mike Reublin NF4L(SK) K3 config program Message-ID: <57C34663.26303.18818E4@Gary.ka1j.com> I must have missed it but Mike Reublin is now a SK. RIP Mike. I was helping him Beta test a program he was calling K3 Configure, it analyses the configuration of your K3 and lists the config functions and your matching settings. You can save the text file so you can later review or print them out in case you want to reset your K3 / K3s back to what you earlier had saved. I found what I thought was a bug but turns out that like the K3 utility, it requires direct connection and LP-Bridge running is a conflict. With that it runs perfectly again. Has anyone else picked up working with this beta, after Mike's passing? 73, Gary KA1J From rv6amark at yahoo.com Sun Aug 28 16:31:24 2016 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:31:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift Message-ID: Re: ?"$10 wristwatches are accurate to a few seconds per month." Yep! ?That is exactly what the original poster was concerned with. ?You said it even better than he did. ?The original poster's KXBC3 clock isn't as accurate as a $10 wristwatch. ?Mine isn't either, last time I checked it. ? The poster simply asked what other people were experiencing, so I provided my experience. ?I am not complaining. I dont really use the clock. ?There are too many other things that need the display. ? Mark KE6BB From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 28 16:31:43 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:31:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14e26610-5a82-7574-699e-377614faba79@embarqmail.com> Dave, Yes, the RTC is an "add-on convenience" item for the rig. It is a nice thing to have for logging when operating portable (set it before the outing). As far as digital modes go, the Elecraft gear offers only PSK and FSK internally and as far as I know, those are not time critical and logging the contact as much as a minute off is not going to cause a big problem. For those operating JT modes (which are time critical), a computer or other 'smart' device is required and the timing is controlled by that device and not by the K3(S), KX3 or KX2, so the RTC in the transceiver does not control the transmission/receive timing. Certainly, I have a $39 Timex watch on my wrist, and it has not been set for the last many months. It does not sync to WWVB or anything else, it just runs, and matches my atomic clock time if I ignore the seconds. I consider that an accurate timepiece. If Elecraft were to automate trimming the accuracy of the RTC, I suspect it would add to the cost of the option that includes the RTC. With the RTC in the K2's KAF2 and KDSP2 options, the builder is given instructions on how to change the capacitor value to give more long term accuracy to the clock, but I don't know of any builders who have done that. It takes a long time to determine how much clock drift occurs and it takes a bit of experimenting with the capacitor value to get it 'right on'. In other words, it is a lengthy process. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/28/2016 3:53 PM, w7aqk wrote: > Now Don, don't get testy! Hi. Actually, I think the critics may have > a good point--especially the ones using digital. For me, it is no big > deal, but the clock gets so far off so quickly I have stopped even > looking at it. However, the digital users do need some precision in > order to get their transmissions timed correctly for an exchange. > > I don't know why the clock doesn't work so well, but there probably is > a good explanation for it. Still, in this day and age when a few > bucks can get you a clock that only loses/gains a second or two a > month, it's hard to understand why this clock performs so poorly. I > don't have a KX2 clock, but I do have one in my KX3. At this moment > it is 5 minutes fast, and I last set it to WWV about a month ago. The > specs for the KX2 clock say the deviation can be minimized to about 2 > seconds per day, so apparently it is a lot better! From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sun Aug 28 16:42:15 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:42:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 KXUSB Cable Message-ID: <1472416935493-7621922.post@n2.nabble.com> I just can't find my KXUSB cable for my KX2 - not in the KX2 stuff box... Will one of these suffice until I find a reason to place an order to Elecraft? https://www.amazon.com/3-5mm-Audio-Adapter-Charge-Cable/dp/B00X77J9TQ/ref=pd_sim_23_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=59RSH9N3F8HBCVH9TCSM Bret/N4SRN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-KXUSB-Cable-tp7621922.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 28 17:00:03 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:00:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 KXUSB Cable In-Reply-To: <1472416935493-7621922.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472416935493-7621922.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Bret, I don't think that will work - it is apparently not a USB to RS-232 converter, and who knows what the signals at the plug might be. It is advertised as a charging cable, so it likely only pipes the USB connector +5V to the connected device. You can get a KXUSB cable from Elecraft in 3 days or less if you choose USPS Priority Mail or 1st class mail from the on-line order form. If the package is less than 13 oz, it can ship 1st class mail - the website will indicate that it cannot be shipped that way by showing a shipping charge of $99.00! 73, Don W3FPR On 8/28/2016 4:42 PM, MaverickNH wrote: > I just can't find my KXUSB cable for my KX2 - not in the KX2 stuff box... > > Will one of these suffice until I find a reason to place an order to > Elecraft? > https://www.amazon.com/3-5mm-Audio-Adapter-Charge-Cable/dp/B00X77J9TQ/ref=pd_sim_23_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=59RSH9N3F8HBCVH9TCSM > > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Aug 28 17:03:25 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:03:25 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KXBC3 clock drift Message-ID: <201608282103.u7SL3QQ8024807@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> I think this topic is a little over the edge. Do ALL radios have clocks, even?? My 1950's HQ100C had a clock which was option C in the model number. It was an electric clock. Do I wish the K3 clock kept better time? Yes, but its not something I'm going to bother Elecraft about. Accurate time is required for some digital modes but they run in a computer so that is where accurate time is needed. Several sources of atomic quality time are available from the Internet. But if you are off the grid then some other time std is needed. GPS time is probably the answer. I bought a GPS with USB dongle for under $50 dollars which there is software to update the computer time. Now a utility on my computer with access to accurate time that could be downloaded to my K3 once per day or once per week would be nice. It could elicit the K3 Utility program to connect and update the K3 clock, automatically. No change to the K3 clock hardware would be needed. I assume this not rocket science for all you computer whizzes. I'm not suggesting Elecraft take this on - somebody else. Surely the K3 utility is not that hard a nut to crack? 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From w2kj at bellsouth.net Sun Aug 28 17:04:26 2016 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:04:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. SignaLink USB for PSK31 Message-ID: > > Howdy Gang: > > I have for sale a like-new SignaLink USB with the appropriate cables and also the optional plug-in module for the internal jumper settings for the K3. > > I used this unit a couple of times with my K3 but just couldn't get into that mode...guess I'm a die-hard CW fan. > > Also, I sold my K3 so I no longer have any use for the SignaLink. The USB is in mint, like-new condition. > > Will ship for $90 via Priority Mail. > > 73, Joe W2KJ > I QRP, therefore I am From lew at n6lew.us Sun Aug 28 17:07:31 2016 From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 14:07:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. SignaLink USB for PSK31 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8882B2E5-32B4-4A9E-A10E-7416779983D0@n6lew.us> Hey, Joe, I sent you an email yesterday saying I?d buy this. If you didn?t get it, please respond off-list. Lew N6LEW > On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Joe W2KJ wrote: > >> >> Howdy Gang: >> >> I have for sale a like-new SignaLink USB with the appropriate cables and also the optional plug-in module for the internal jumper settings for the K3. >> >> I used this unit a couple of times with my K3 but just couldn't get into that mode...guess I'm a die-hard CW fan. >> >> Also, I sold my K3 so I no longer have any use for the SignaLink. > > The USB is in mint, like-new condition. >> >> Will ship for $90 via Priority Mail. >> >> 73, Joe W2KJ >> I QRP, therefore I am > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lew at n6lew.us > Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 Yaesu FT-7800 Lew at N6LEW.US www.n6lew.us Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart. From lew at n6lew.us Sun Aug 28 17:17:13 2016 From: lew at n6lew.us (Lewis Phelps) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 14:17:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <201608282103.u7SL3QQ8024807@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201608282103.u7SL3QQ8024807@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: I concur, and suggest another path for those who have a strong need for 0.01 second accuracy of their rig?s clock. There are Arduino GPS shields available for $40 and less. If one were so inclined, it would seem feasible to use an Arduino with GPS shield connected to the serial port of the rig; you could even build a pass-through connector sot that other serial devices could be connected. Lew N6LEW > On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > > I think this topic is a little over the edge. > > Do ALL radios have clocks, even?? My 1950's HQ100C had a clock which was option C in the model number. It was an electric clock. Do I wish the K3 clock kept better time? Yes, but its not something I'm going to bother Elecraft about. > > Accurate time is required for some digital modes but they run in a computer so that is where accurate time is needed. Several sources of atomic quality time are available from the Internet. > > But if you are off the grid then some other time std is needed. GPS time is probably the answer. I bought a GPS with USB dongle for under $50 dollars which there is software to update the computer time. > > Now a utility on my computer with access to accurate time that could be downloaded to my K3 once per day or once per week would be nice. It could elicit the K3 Utility program to connect and update the K3 clock, automatically. No change to the K3 clock hardware would be needed. > > I assume this not rocket science for all you computer whizzes. I'm not suggesting Elecraft take this on - somebody else. Surely the K3 utility is not that hard a nut to crack? > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lew at n6lew.us > Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 / KXV144 / XV432 Yaesu FT-7800 Lew at N6LEW.US www.n6lew.us Generalized Law of Entropy: Sooner or later, everything that has been put together will fall apart. From jalleninvest at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 17:22:22 2016 From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:22:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 Message-ID: On the Elecraft website page for the K2, it says in red letters, "Now with DSP!" Further down the page, it shows the KDSP2 under K2 and accessories. When you click on the KDSP2, it takes you to a page for the KDSP2 accessory. In the order page, it shows KDSP2 as "discontinued." Is it now included, or hereafter unavailable? 73 Jim Allen W6OGC Sent from my iPad From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Aug 28 17:22:57 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 14:22:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift & On-Board GPS In-Reply-To: References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> <0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com> <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com> <3a894d77-358d-79c4-9f33-910a93e9398e@montac.com> <6219f0aa-a78e-f48d-9748-6d86e94e4038@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <328bddc8-d2fe-e5b6-6e92-642c9e9e60ee@triconet.org> I wish I would have bought something from them instead of the Leo Bodnar unit. It seems to be fine but the support is lacking. On 8/28/2016 11:16 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > Jackson Labs makes REALLY nice stuff... And THAT is not expensive in > the grand scheme of things... LOTS of GPSDOs et al time/freq standards > costing many multiples of that price... :) > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 8/28/2016 12:17 PM, Peter Pauly wrote: From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Aug 28 17:26:47 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:26:47 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) Message-ID: <201608282126.u7SLQmdm002868@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Kevin, I agree. I'd guess digital modes will not be embedded into the K3xs (I made that model up) until after the "touch screen" is added and external computer screen driver. But if you need an external screen then why not just use a computer with the K3, K3s, KX3 as its done now. I use my computer time for logging and controlling WSJT modes. Its updated once/minute and keeps within about 10ms accurate using D4. Maybe if I hauled the K3 out in portable locations the internal clock would matter. But then having a smart phone or GPS corrected laptop it still would not matter. I will be using my KX3 in my truck which has a digital clock and I also can use my I-phone...duh. My Timex keeps within a few seconds/year. I could wear that. enough chatter on this OT. 73, Ed - KL7UW From: Kevin To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 Clock Drift Message-ID: <71ad6529-c7f5-5924-2bc4-5ad772ac5faf at ac0h.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Won't ever be a big deal. For JT65 and JT9 it's the computer clock that matters. My rigs RTC could be off by an hour and it won't effect the timing of a JT65/JT9 QSO.It would matter if Elecraft decided to add those modes to the radio for direct keying by the on board keyer (God I hope not). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From cbjesseenh at comcast.net Sun Aug 28 17:28:19 2016 From: cbjesseenh at comcast.net (Charles) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 21:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 KXUSB Cable In-Reply-To: References: <1472416935493-7621922.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1443172202.5940395.1472419699155.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> From jonigro at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 17:30:29 2016 From: jonigro at gmail.com (John R. Lonigro) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:30:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock accuracy and JT-65 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As I understand it, JT65 requires a highly accurate clock, accurate to less than a second. However, unless the KX3 is capable of encoding/decoding JT65, that accuracy is required in the computer doing the encoding/decoding, not the radio. Sure, it would be nice if the KX3 clock were more accurate, but I can't see what practical use that feature would have, other than preventing you from jumping the gun at Field Day. And setting the clock the night before Field Day would solve that problem. 73, John AA0VE From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Aug 28 17:59:22 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:59:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 Clock Drift Message-ID: <57C35EBA.22463.41F2DF@Gary.ka1j.com> This may be a redux of what has already been stated but I am a nut for stability in my radio and my timekeeping. What I have done is purchased a BG7TBL from faymo-trading.service for $150 from Hong Kong (fast shipping and the newest version of this GPSDO). He still apparently is selling them: http://tinyurl.com/gtpzkvx I have the KTCXO3-1 TXCO installed in the K3s & I installed the K3EXREF in the K3. It locks beautifully to the Satellite data and I then set REF CAL to sync with the GPSDO. I found two softwares to sync the computer with the satellites: NMEA time and BIG BEN. I chose NMEA as it has a smaller footprint but either are out of sight once you set it. Both use the info from the GPSDO and they sync to the computer and keep it accurate to an incredibly precise number. NMEA lives in the hidden icons folder and I have it set to start with the computer so it is syncing constantly and updating the computer clock every minute. With the computer dead on, you just use the K3 Utility at the bottom of the Configuration tab and sync your accurate computer time to the K3/K3s. Now my K3 is about as stable as possible and that is a beautiful thing. 73, Gary KA1J From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 28 18:00:11 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:00:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, The KDSP2 option has been discontinued. The main DSP module is no longer available. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/28/2016 5:22 PM, Jim Allen wrote: > On the Elecraft website page for the K2, it says in red letters, "Now with DSP!" > > Further down the page, it shows the KDSP2 under K2 and accessories. When you click on the KDSP2, it takes you to a page for the KDSP2 accessory. > > In the order page, it shows KDSP2 as "discontinued." > > From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 28 18:03:57 2016 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 22:03:57 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <024f01d20178$1393ead0$3abbc070$@sbcglobal.net> Hi Jim, The KDSP2 is no longer available due to the lack of available parts. 73, Mark Musick, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Allen Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:22 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 On the Elecraft website page for the K2, it says in red letters, "Now with DSP!" Further down the page, it shows the KDSP2 under K2 and accessories. When you click on the KDSP2, it takes you to a page for the KDSP2 accessory. In the order page, it shows KDSP2 as "discontinued." Is it now included, or hereafter unavailable? 73 Jim Allen W6OGC Sent from my iPad ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From w2kj at bellsouth.net Sun Aug 28 18:04:08 2016 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:04:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] F.S. SignaLink USB Message-ID: <1D569F8F-FEB1-462F-9695-B20777BC5D25@bellsouth.net> The SignaLink USB has been sold. 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I am From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Aug 28 19:02:35 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:02:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <201608282103.u7SL3QQ8024807@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: There is a difference of about 15 seconds between GPS time and UTC time. GPS time does not include the recent leap seconds. The GPS message includes the current difference between GPS time and UTC. I don't know which time the JT modes use, probably UTC. See: , and . For an idea of how complex the idea of time really is, see . The ideal programs to have automatically update the K3(S) and KX3 clocks would be logging programs and utilities that are running "all the time". RUMlogNG, N2MM, Win4K3Suite, etc. When I built my BeagleBone Box, a low power computer using a BeagleBone system board, I had to add a real-time clock. I chose a high precision one, the ChronoDot - Ultra-precise Real Time Clock (v2.1) from Adafruit part# 255 = $17.50. I wanted precision in case I wanted to run JT modes while out in the wilderness. I just checked it and found it 23 seconds slow compared with NTP. It has been at least 5 months since I synced the clock on that computer, and probably a lot more. Not too bad for a clock that runs off a button battery. (Hmmm, that describes my watch too, but the ChronoDot is significantly more precise.) 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/28/16 at 2:03 PM, kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) wrote: >But if you are off the grid then some other time std is >needed. GPS time is probably the answer. I bought a GPS with >USB dongle for under $50 dollars which there is software to >update the computer time. > >Now a utility on my computer with access to accurate time that >could be downloaded to my K3 once per day or once per week >would be nice. It could elicit the K3 Utility program to >connect and update the K3 clock, automatically. No change to >the K3 clock hardware would be needed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz |"Insofar as the propositions of mathematics refer to 408-356-8506 | reality, they are not certain; and insofar they are www.pwpconsult.com | certain, they do not refer to reality.? -- Einstein From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Aug 28 19:43:13 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:43:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know either, but need accurate time on my computer to use the various WSJT modes. For about four years, I've used a freeware Windoze utility called NetTime. www.timesynctool.com There are several other such programs in common use. 73, Jim K9YC On Sun,8/28/2016 4:02 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > There is a difference of about 15 seconds between GPS time and UTC > time. GPS time does not include the recent leap seconds. The GPS > message includes the current difference between GPS time and UTC. I > don't know which time the JT modes use, probably UTC. From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Aug 28 19:57:03 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:57:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sometime around 1990, Unix added the adjtime(2) system call. This allowed changing the frequency of the system clock, typically by adjusting how many wall-time ticks were added per hardware clock tick. If the clock was stable but off frequency, progressive adjustments (compared to a reference clock) would get it very close to the right frequency. This is pretty much always done with NTP, the Network Time Protocol. If the KX3 clock is stable and is adjustable, the KX3 Utility could do this. Tweak the rate a bit each time the clock is set. If the KX3 clock isn?t stable with temperature, it isn?t worth bothering. wunder Walter Underwood wunder at wunderwood.org http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 28, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > I don't know either, but need accurate time on my computer to use the various WSJT modes. For about four years, I've used a freeware Windoze utility called NetTime. www.timesynctool.com There are several other such programs in common use. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > On Sun,8/28/2016 4:02 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >> There is a difference of about 15 seconds between GPS time and UTC time. GPS time does not include the recent leap seconds. The GPS message includes the current difference between GPS time and UTC. I don't know which time the JT modes use, probably UTC. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Aug 28 20:28:43 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:28:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <7f82efec-d085-f3a9-ca60-ab8da63c0264@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <26792155.1472396120132.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <53D03855-D21E-4012-A973-6711C27067D6@verizon.net> <7f82efec-d085-f3a9-ca60-ab8da63c0264@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: And my factory-built K3S. Sometimes I feel like an unpaid beta tester:-) To Elecraft's credit they almost always* fix it in due time. (I keep a spare radio on hand just in case) * still waiting for that VOX/AntiVOX gain setting by mode. As I write CY9C's RTTY signal is breaking up on the beginning of each transmission. I'm guessing a VOX issue. On 8/28/2016 11:35 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > ... N7WS has found issues with some products, including his K3, ... > 73, Jim K9YC > > From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sun Aug 28 20:36:03 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:36:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <3a894d77-358d-79c4-9f33-910a93e9398e@montac.com> References: <5188EAA1-2C45-4661-8065-16BA965C9C59@gmail.com> <0570838c-29a1-491d-4e12-0cd00686e79a@montac.com> <4e2db433-d787-e8d4-a93f-520629edb8d3@embarqmail.com> <3a894d77-358d-79c4-9f33-910a93e9398e@montac.com> Message-ID: It'd draw power and make the radio bigger. On 8/28/2016 9:58 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > So you think an onboard GPS is absurd, Don? From rv6amark at yahoo.com Sun Aug 28 20:36:41 2016 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:36:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KXBC3 clock drift Message-ID: Re: ?"...Tweak the rate a bit each time the clock is set." Back in early 2013, there was some discussion on the Yahoo Group about doing something like that either through the Utility, or even a menu entry with "factor" that could be adjusted by the user. ?It never went a anywhere because most of us just learned to ignore the clock, or be sure to reset the clock when we are setting up a site. As I recall, Wayne's KX3 was far more accurate than some of ours, and he was a bit surprised. ?Mine was one of the worst ones, but it has either gotten better in that 3 year period, or I am more tolerant now than I was then. ?I think it is the latter since retirement has helped me stop worrying about such little things. Mark KE6BB From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Aug 28 20:40:35 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Bill Conkling) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 20:40:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 KXUSB Cable In-Reply-To: <1443172202.5940395.1472419699155.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <1472416935493-7621922.post@n2.nabble.com> <1443172202.5940395.1472419699155.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: The cable pictured has a TRRS 3.5 mm plug, not the TRS as on the real thing. id skip it > On Aug 28, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Charles wrote: > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From k9yeq at live.com Sun Aug 28 20:45:31 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 19:45:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: References: <26792155.1472396120132.JavaMail.wam@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <53D03855-D21E-4012-A973-6711C27067D6@verizon.net> <7f82efec-d085-f3a9-ca60-ab8da63c0264@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Better to have a radio you can update, or that has updates instead of being stuck with workarounds. All SDR systems are on the "fly" so to speak. I'd rather own an upgradable radio where there are programmers acutally working on updates. Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes Stewart Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 7:29 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift And my factory-built K3S. Sometimes I feel like an unpaid beta tester:-) To Elecraft's credit they almost always* fix it in due time. (I keep a spare radio on hand just in case) * still waiting for that VOX/AntiVOX gain setting by mode. As I write CY9C's RTTY signal is breaking up on the beginning of each transmission. I'm guessing a VOX issue. On 8/28/2016 11:35 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > ... N7WS has found issues with some products, including his K3, ... > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From k1ike at snet.net Sun Aug 28 20:50:03 2016 From: k1ike at snet.net (JOE) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 20:50:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software In-Reply-To: <008a01d2014b$97389b10$c5a9d130$@eeek.org.uk> References: <7044626e-2d05-2aae-6114-2d904fe58aaf@snet.net> <008a01d2014b$97389b10$c5a9d130$@eeek.org.uk> Message-ID: <71945ed2-ca4f-0e09-214f-216fbdb8efda@snet.net> Hello John, We have a remote station that is 10 miles from my house. I use Remoterig to link a TS480SAT from my house to the remote site. There is also a 600 watt amplifier at the site, so I am using the W2 wattmeter to monitor the output and VSWR at the remote location. The Elecraft W2 Interface software is loaded on my computer at my house and is used as a client to talk to the remote site. No com port is involved on the local computer. At the site I have a device called an Avocent ESP-4 Serial Hub. This is connected to the LAN at the site and provides 4 com ports for various pieces of equipment. All was working well, except for the fact that I had to occasionally power cycle the W2 wattmeter to get it to connect. I built a small circuit that powers up the W2 wattmeter when the DTR goes high when the software connects. The OS in the computer and the W2 software has not changed. It's almost as if the Elecraft W2 Interface software has stopped functioning for some reason. Joe On 8/28/2016 12:45 PM, John wrote: > Hi Joe, > > I'd not realised until now that you can do this with the W2, but I'm looking > to set mine up to test this now for you! > > I assume you have the same W2 software running at both ends? It looks to me > that the network function simply bridges the software at both sides, based > on the manual. > > When you say you are connecting to the remote W2, where are you doing this? > >From the 'client' machine? From the 'server' machine connected to the W2? If > from the 'client', what exact settings are you using? > > You've not got anything like Windows Firewall running on either end, have > you? Have any updates been done on either PC? What OSs are you working with? > > 73, and a firm left handshake, > John (XLX) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JOE > Sent: 28 August 2016 16:59 > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software > > Hello to All, > > I'm having trouble with connecting to the W-2 wattmeter with the Elecraft W2 > Interface software available on the website using an internet connection. > The wattmeter is V1.00 software and the W-2 software is V1.12.1.18 The > error is "Looking for a W2 on Network". > > I had this working in the past and now it has me stumped. Using Putty > communication software I can connect to the remote W-2 and it responds with > V1.00 when I invoke the "V" command so I know the connection is good. Using > a direct connection to the W2 from the computer com port works fine. I'm > using the factory cable that did work in the past. > > The W2 Interface software is set up with Network (TCP/IP) checked, Client, > and the server IP and port that worked with Putty. > > This has me stumped. It has to be something simple that I am missing. > > 73, Joe, K1ike > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to john at eeek.org.uk > > From k1ike at snet.net Sun Aug 28 20:50:59 2016 From: k1ike at snet.net (JOE) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 20:50:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software In-Reply-To: References: <7044626e-2d05-2aae-6114-2d904fe58aaf@snet.net> Message-ID: <02f836f9-8944-9f60-ba8c-23d6386365fe@snet.net> No computer com ports are used in this application, as it is an IP connection. Joe On 8/28/2016 2:04 PM, Bill wrote: > Try checking to be sure you have enabled an available comm port. > From k9yeq at live.com Sun Aug 28 21:04:42 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 20:04:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software In-Reply-To: <02f836f9-8944-9f60-ba8c-23d6386365fe@snet.net> References: <7044626e-2d05-2aae-6114-2d904fe58aaf@snet.net> <02f836f9-8944-9f60-ba8c-23d6386365fe@snet.net> Message-ID: Pardon me. It appeared to me the question, which was not not included in your reply, was about making some setting changes to the watt meter, which is part of the Utility and connected to a PC comm port. Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: JOE [mailto:k1ike at snet.net] Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 7:51 PM To: Bill ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software No computer com ports are used in this application, as it is an IP connection. Joe On 8/28/2016 2:04 PM, Bill wrote: > Try checking to be sure you have enabled an available comm port. > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 21:07:21 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 21:07:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 In-Reply-To: <024f01d20178$1393ead0$3abbc070$@sbcglobal.net> References: <024f01d20178$1393ead0$3abbc070$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: The K2 was first prototyped in October 1997. I'll bet no one back then would have guessed that demand for parts would still be around 19 years later in 2016. 73, Guy. On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Mark E. Musick wrote: > Hi Jim, > The KDSP2 is no longer available due to the lack of available parts. > > 73, > Mark Musick, WB9CIF > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim > Allen > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:22 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 > > On the Elecraft website page for the K2, it says in red letters, "Now with > DSP!" > > Further down the page, it shows the KDSP2 under K2 and accessories. When > you click on the KDSP2, it takes you to a page for the KDSP2 accessory. > > In the order page, it shows KDSP2 as "discontinued." > > Is it now included, or hereafter unavailable? > > 73 Jim Allen W6OGC > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From brian at kf6c.com Sun Aug 28 21:08:30 2016 From: brian at kf6c.com (Brian D. Comer) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:08:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 ant control (Brian D. Comer) Message-ID: <001501d20191$db3f9a70$91becf50$@com> Expanding my problem a little more. I have a remote that uses a KAT500 that is now 3000 miles away. The KAT500 was calibrated to use the correct antenna over all bands 160 to 6 meters at the specified increments (10 KHz 160 etc and 20 KHz for the higher bands) For an unknown reason the KAT 500 has switched to antenna 2 (160 and 80) for all frequencies. Unfortunately I did not connect the USB cable because I could not see recalibrating the kAT500 remotely . The remote is now shut down until I can persuade my daughter who lives 60 miles from the station to add a USB cable I will have to have shipped to her. 73 Brian KF6C From k9yeq at live.com Sun Aug 28 21:13:13 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 20:13:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 ant control (Brian D. Comer) In-Reply-To: <001501d20191$db3f9a70$91becf50$@com> References: <001501d20191$db3f9a70$91becf50$@com> Message-ID: Brian, as I recall after extensive field testing and from experience, losing power can cause issues with the current required state. I would suggest using a battery backup for critical components. I use a Rig Runner device to keep a marine battery charged and a power supply for just such issues. Good luck. Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian D. Comer Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 8:09 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 ant control (Brian D. Comer) Expanding my problem a little more. I have a remote that uses a KAT500 that is now 3000 miles away. The KAT500 was calibrated to use the correct antenna over all bands 160 to 6 meters at the specified increments (10 KHz 160 etc and 20 KHz for the higher bands) For an unknown reason the KAT 500 has switched to antenna 2 (160 and 80) for all frequencies. Unfortunately I did not connect the USB cable because I could not see recalibrating the kAT500 remotely . The remote is now shut down until I can persuade my daughter who lives 60 miles from the station to add a USB cable I will have to have shipped to her. 73 Brian KF6C ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Sun Aug 28 21:20:30 2016 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 01:20:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 In-Reply-To: References: <024f01d20178$1393ead0$3abbc070$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <381254370.936408.1472433630424@mail.yahoo.com> I will not regret the discontinuation of KDSP2. ?In my case, I do not feel any usefulness of the KDSP2,I sold it and replaced with a KAF2 at a much lower cost. ?While there are a number of settings in KDSP2 which you can manipulate, regrettably none of the settings gave me a present result. ?The artifacts from the DeNoiser is huge and much worse than K3. IMHO, among the elecraft radios, the best Noise Reduction NR is in KX3 (I did not try the KX2). ?KDSP2 is in the audio stage and did not improve any selectivity like the DSP in K3 KAF2 in the used market is really cheap. ?Adding the KAF2 will not cost much but at least give you some listening comfort. ?With some careful choices of R and C in KAF2 (please refer to the manual), you will find yourself a sweet spot even for SSB. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Guy Olinger K2AV ???? Mark E. Musick ??(CC)? Elecraft Reflector ; Jim Allen ????? 2016?08?29? (??) 9:07 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2 The K2 was first prototyped in October 1997. I'll bet no one back then would have guessed that demand for parts would still be around 19 years later in 2016. 73, Guy. From k1ike at snet.net Sun Aug 28 21:25:47 2016 From: k1ike at snet.net (JOE) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 21:25:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software In-Reply-To: References: <7044626e-2d05-2aae-6114-2d904fe58aaf@snet.net> <02f836f9-8944-9f60-ba8c-23d6386365fe@snet.net> Message-ID: <4b288ccd-c091-a4d5-ee18-e044ad9d5e10@snet.net> Hi Bill, The software has the capability of connecting to a com port as you described, but it also can be set up as a client. In the client configuration it does not use the com port. I'm using it in the client configuration. 73, Joe, k1ike On 8/28/2016 9:04 PM, Bill wrote: > Pardon me. It appeared to me the question, which was not not included in > your reply, was about making some setting changes to the watt meter, which > is part of the Utility and connected to a PC comm port. > > Bill > K9YEQ From va3mw at portcredit.net Sun Aug 28 21:33:53 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Mike va3mw) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 21:33:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software In-Reply-To: <4b288ccd-c091-a4d5-ee18-e044ad9d5e10@snet.net> References: <7044626e-2d05-2aae-6114-2d904fe58aaf@snet.net> <02f836f9-8944-9f60-ba8c-23d6386365fe@snet.net> <4b288ccd-c091-a4d5-ee18-e044ad9d5e10@snet.net> Message-ID: Correct, but you do need the initial first com port to connect the W2 to the computer. Then you can do a client / server connection over IP. I've been doing it for years. Mike va3mw > On Aug 28, 2016, at 9:25 PM, JOE wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > The software has the capability of connecting to a com port as you described, but it also can be set up as a client. In the client configuration it does not use the com port. I'm using it in the client configuration. > > 73, Joe, k1ike > >> On 8/28/2016 9:04 PM, Bill wrote: >> Pardon me. It appeared to me the question, which was not not included in >> your reply, was about making some setting changes to the watt meter, which >> is part of the Utility and connected to a PC comm port. >> >> Bill >> K9YEQ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Aug 28 21:36:12 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:36:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 In-Reply-To: <381254370.936408.1472433630424@mail.yahoo.com> References: <024f01d20178$1393ead0$3abbc070$@sbcglobal.net> <381254370.936408.1472433630424@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1e2fc8f3-6e5e-7635-1956-370d2be077be@socal.rr.com> Au Contraire in my case, Johnny. I've found the KDSP2 to be very effective and still use my K2/100 in my secondary operating location as my QRO rig. The issue with the KDSP2 is getting the settings right. That was tricky and probably took me a year or two of experimentation. But now it works very well for me and I find the NR very effective. 73, Phil W7OX On 8/28/16 6:20 PM, Johnny Siu via Elecraft wrote: > I will not regret the discontinuation of KDSP2. In my case, I do not feel any usefulness of the KDSP2,I sold it and replaced with a KAF2 at a much lower cost. While there are a number of settings in KDSP2 which you can manipulate, regrettably none of the settings gave me a present result. The artifacts from the DeNoiser is huge and much worse than K3. > IMHO, among the elecraft radios, the best Noise Reduction NR is in KX3 (I did not try the KX2). KDSP2 is in the audio stage and did not improve any selectivity like the DSP in K3 > KAF2 in the used market is really cheap. Adding the KAF2 will not cost much but at least give you some listening comfort. With some careful choices of R and C in KAF2 (please refer to the manual), you will find yourself a sweet spot even for SSB. > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC > > ???? Guy Olinger K2AV > ???? Mark E. Musick > ??(CC)? Elecraft Reflector ; Jim Allen > ????? 2016?08?29? (??) 9:07 AM > ??? Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2 > > The K2 was first prototyped in October 1997. I'll bet no one back then > would have guessed that demand for parts would still be around 19 years > later in 2016. > > 73, Guy. From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Aug 28 21:38:17 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:38:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 In-Reply-To: <024f01d20178$1393ead0$3abbc070$@sbcglobal.net> References: <024f01d20178$1393ead0$3abbc070$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1189b227-edcb-2515-15fb-31934ce08f90@triconet.org> In my last job before retirement I was supervising a group of folks in a components engineering department at Raytheon. A good number of them worked on nothing but obsolete parts issues. When the latest and greatest parts are obsolete in a year or so and you have missile products that require support for at least 10 years (there are probably TOW Missiles in inventory that I worked on in 1966) you have a real problem. This was especially true when suppliers issued End Of Life notices and the bean counters in Procurement were aghast at the idea of lifetime buys and inventories. On 8/28/2016 3:03 PM, Mark E. Musick wrote: > Hi Jim, > The KDSP2 is no longer available due to the lack of available parts. > > 73, > Mark Musick, WB9CIF > From k1ike at snet.net Sun Aug 28 21:39:29 2016 From: k1ike at snet.net (JOE) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 21:39:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software In-Reply-To: References: <7044626e-2d05-2aae-6114-2d904fe58aaf@snet.net> <02f836f9-8944-9f60-ba8c-23d6386365fe@snet.net> <4b288ccd-c091-a4d5-ee18-e044ad9d5e10@snet.net> Message-ID: <41a5d612-6fbb-8805-d4c3-70e013584dc0@snet.net> The W2 wattmeter is connected to an RS-232 port onan Avocent ESP-4 Serial Hub at the remote location. This eliminates the need for a computer at the remote site. 73, Joe, K1ike On 8/28/2016 9:33 PM, Mike va3mw wrote: > Correct, but you do need the initial first com port to connect the W2 to the computer. Then you can do a client / server connection over IP. > > I've been doing it for years. > > Mike va3mw From enzoisis at sympatico.ca Sun Aug 28 21:55:48 2016 From: enzoisis at sympatico.ca (Enzo Greco) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 21:55:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] **WANTED Elecraft kx3 or kx2 **** Message-ID: <003801d20198$76ae31f0$640a95d0$@ca> Hi Guys, Looking for a Elecraft Kx2 or Kx3 let me know what options and price shipped to VE land, Just north of Toronto. Thanks de ve3vtg ****PayPal**** From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Sun Aug 28 21:55:40 2016 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 01:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 In-Reply-To: <1e2fc8f3-6e5e-7635-1956-370d2be077be@socal.rr.com> References: <024f01d20178$1393ead0$3abbc070$@sbcglobal.net> <381254370.936408.1472433630424@mail.yahoo.com> <1e2fc8f3-6e5e-7635-1956-370d2be077be@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <458338543.926380.1472435740927@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Phil, Very well respected and I did read similar favorable comments about KDSP2 like yours in the past. The best part of this mail listing is that we are used to agree to 'disagree'. My K2 was gone some time and replaced by K3 and KX3. ?Now, I am keeping a close eye on the Icom new IC7610 SDR which I saw in Tokyo ham fair 2016. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Phil Wheeler ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2016?08?29? (??) 9:36 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2 Au Contraire in my case, Johnny.? I've found the KDSP2 to be very effective and still use my K2/100 in my secondary operating location as my QRO rig. The issue with the KDSP2 is getting the settings right. That was tricky and probably took me a year or two of experimentation. But now it works very well for me and I find the NR very effective. 73, Phil W7OX On 8/28/16 6:20 PM, Johnny Siu via Elecraft wrote: > I will not regret the discontinuation of KDSP2.? In my case, I do not feel any usefulness of the KDSP2,I sold it and replaced with a KAF2 at a much lower cost.? While there are a number of settings in KDSP2 which you can manipulate, regrettably none of the settings gave me a present result.? The artifacts from the DeNoiser is huge and much worse than K3. > IMHO, among the elecraft radios, the best Noise Reduction NR is in KX3 (I did not try the KX2).? KDSP2 is in the audio stage and did not improve any selectivity like the DSP in K3 > KAF2 in the used market is really cheap.? Adding the KAF2 will not cost much but at least give you some listening comfort.? With some careful choices of R and C in KAF2 (please refer to the manual), you will find yourself a sweet spot even for SSB. > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC From ai6do at yahoo.com Sun Aug 28 22:24:58 2016 From: ai6do at yahoo.com (Ryan Noguchi) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 02:24:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] fast becoming my favorite radio In-Reply-To: <1472405575304-7621895.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <829063a2-a302-7f81-7f09-26fd376efc6b@swsports.org> <1472405575304-7621895.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1714739636.1174810.1472437498841@mail.yahoo.com> >For those who use a KX3 as their primary HF rig at the home?QTH, which features (unique to the KX3) are critical? A pair of KX3s are my primary rigs, both in the shack and in the field. I?find the PX3 panadapter to be indispensible in both environments, so the lack of RX I/Q outputs is the KX2's biggest shortcoming to me.? 73, Ryan AI6DO From kc6cnn at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 23:00:47 2016 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 20:00:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 low power cabin radio Message-ID: <1472439647662-7621960.post@n2.nabble.com> We have a off grid cabin that has a small solar system. When either myself or my daughter are up there, you have to go to the gate or highest point to get cell service. So since my daughter is a ham although she is learning code we wanted a way to communicate with each other when she is there. Here is the K1 with fixed audio mod and a K42. Here is the link to see it work. https://youtu.be/wjwL5Vpx7a4 73 Gerald ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K1 # 0014 K2 # 5486 K3 # 6294 KX3 # 757 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-low-power-cabin-radio-tp7621960.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Sun Aug 28 23:01:01 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 20:01:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: References: <201608282103.u7SL3QQ8024807@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <1472439661449-7621961.post@n2.nabble.com> >> Re: "...Tweak the rate a bit each time the clock is set." > > Back in early 2013, there was some discussion on the > Yahoo Group about doing something like that either > through the Utility, or even a menu entry with "factor" > that could be adjusted by the user. It never went a > anywhere because most of us just learned to ignore > the clock, or be sure to reset the clock when we are > setting up a site. This was implemented with the KX2, "RTC ADJ". Any feedback from KX2 owner's who purchased the KX2 / KXIO2 Real Time Clock? > If the KX3 clock isn?t stable with temperature, it isn?t worth bothering. The accuracy of RTC IC's (e.g., DS3231) are typically measured in seconds per year (+/-2 ppm) across a broad range of temperatures (e.g., 32?F to 104?F). The KX3 / KXBC3 uses a PIC microcontroller to keep time, not a RTC IC. The KX2 manual states, "Monitor your clock's accuracy over 24 hours, preferably at your typical ambient operating temperature." I'm not sure there's such a thing as a "typical ambient operating temperature" for a portable rig like the KX2 and KX3. Joe KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Subject-Re-KXBC3-clock-drift-tp7621924p7621961.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From al7cr at mooseaviation.com Sun Aug 28 23:15:11 2016 From: al7cr at mooseaviation.com (AL7CR) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 20:15:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3timewin Program Message-ID: <1472440511.3249641.708764977.13B570AA@webmail.messagingengine.com> Can anyone provide a working link to and/or a copy of the K3timewin program? Yes, I KNOW you can set the time from the K3utils program. I want to experiment with running this program on a schedule and can not find a copy. BTW a hundred "the clock does not keep time" messages ago it was noted, without comment, that pushing DISP twice will cause the clock to jump several seconds to near the correct time. ?My new K3S evidences this behavior. ?It will lose time quickly after transmit and "regain" the correct time in this manner. ?There appears to be some syncing of the display in the operating system that is a bit funky. From edauer at law.du.edu Sun Aug 28 23:32:35 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 03:32:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 Message-ID: When I heard that the KDSP2 was being discontinued I ordered a second K2 with all the accessories ? KAT2, KPA100, KNB2, KAF2, etc. There just isn?t any other real build-it-yourself transceiver in the market today. The Sienna revision, apparently, is still in prototype. The K2 kits are now in my basement closet. The question ? should I build it? Or save it . . . Consider ? how much would a never-opened-box be worth today for a DX-100B kit? (Shipping weight at the time was 107 pounds, in case that?s of interest.) Let?s see ? the DX-100B came out in more or less 1960. That?s 56 years ago. In 2072 I?d be 128. Will Richard at Elecraft Parts still be able to provide whatever might be missing from the K2 parts list for whoever owns the box then? Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 21:07:21 -0400 From: Guy Olinger K2AV To: "Mark E. Musick" Cc: Jim Allen , Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDSP2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The K2 was first prototyped in October 1997. I'll bet no one back then would have guessed that demand for parts would still be around 19 years later in 2016. 73, Guy. From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Aug 28 23:57:35 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 20:57:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] fast becoming my favorite radio In-Reply-To: <1472405575304-7621895.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I have been looking at rigs for HF mobile. Not having 6 meters is annoying. The smaller size is wonderful. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/28/16 at 10:32 AM, kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) wrote: >What are the *key* KX3 features which make it more "serious" than a KX2? I'm >not looking for an exhaustive feature comparison. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If you want total security, go to prison. There you're 408-356-8506 | fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only www.pwpconsult.com | thing lacking is freedom. - Dwight D. Eisenhower From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Mon Aug 29 00:10:00 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 21:10:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2][KX3][KXIQ2] Best Base Station: KX2 vs KX3 Message-ID: <1472443800415-7621965.post@n2.nabble.com> > For those who use a KX3 as their primary HF rig > at the home QTH, which features (unique to the > KX3 as compared to the KX2) are critical? Hajo (DL1SDZ) wrote, The Px3, the rest is nice to have. Ryan (AI6DO) wrote, I find the PX3 panadapter to be indispensible in both environments (both in the shack and in the field), so the lack of RX I/Q outputs is the KX2's biggest shortcoming to me. Thank you, Hajo and Ryan. I think you're absolutely correct. I attended David Shoaf?s "Shrinking the HF Transceiver" presentation at Ham-Com in Irving, Texas this year. David is in charge of international distribution and customer support at Elecraft. As part of his presentation, David shared that Elecraft was (unpleasantly) surprised by the high percentage of KX3's being used as base stations, in many cases, serving as the operator's one and only one HF rig. In other words, operators were buying KX3's in lieu of, rather than in addition to, K3's. David stated (repeatedly) that RX I/Q was suppressed on the KX2 ... not to reduce cost, size or weight, but rather to create "product differentiation" (his words) with the K3 and KX3. In other words (my words), Elecraft didn't want to make the same "mistake" with the KX2 that it made with the KX3. I was able to play with a KX2 at Ham-Com. What a blast. I'm anxious to purchase a KX2. However, I?d feel cheated purchasing a KX2 knowing RX I/Q was unnecessarily suppressed (at least from an engineering perspective). I?d like Elecraft to offer a KXIQ2 (an alternative to the KXIO2), replacing the AUX output of the KXIO2 with an RX I/Q output. Please reply to this thread if you're interested in having Elecraft expose RX I/Q on the KX2. This will enable the KX2 to be used with a PX3 for backyard / picnic table portable operation, travel, ... and, of course, in using the KX2 as a base station at the home QTH. For hand-held, pedestrian mobile and ultralight backpacking, I'll leave the PX3 at home and disable the RX I/Q output in order to save the 10 - 15 mA receive-mode current drain. Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-KX3-KXIQ2-Best-Base-Station-KX2-vs-KX3-tp7621965.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n7xy at n7xy.net Mon Aug 29 00:21:14 2016 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 21:21:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 In-Reply-To: References: <024f01d20178$1393ead0$3abbc070$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <56cb92d0-63ed-fa1d-171d-9e8376f98869@n7xy.net> The KDSP2 came out in the early 2000s. KK7P reverse-engineered the KAF2 interface on his K2 prior to Elecraft's involvement, although Wayne later became a field tester. 73, Bob N7XY (former KDSP2 field tester) On 8/28/16 6:07 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > The K2 was first prototyped in October 1997. I'll bet no one back then > would have guessed that demand for parts would still be around 19 years > later in 2016. > > 73, Guy. > > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Mark E. Musick > wrote: > >> Hi Jim, >> The KDSP2 is no longer available due to the lack of available parts. >> >> 73, >> Mark Musick, WB9CIF >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim >> Allen >> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:22 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] KDSP2 >> >> On the Elecraft website page for the K2, it says in red letters, "Now with >> DSP!" >> >> Further down the page, it shows the KDSP2 under K2 and accessories. When >> you click on the KDSP2, it takes you to a page for the KDSP2 accessory. >> >> In the order page, it shows KDSP2 as "discontinued." >> >> Is it now included, or hereafter unavailable? >> >> 73 Jim Allen W6OGC >> Sent from my iPad >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message >> delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net > From ai6do at yahoo.com Mon Aug 29 01:26:43 2016 From: ai6do at yahoo.com (Ryan Noguchi) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 05:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2][KX3][KXIQ2] Best Base Station: KX2 vs KX3 In-Reply-To: <1472443800415-7621965.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472443800415-7621965.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1882878009.1260647.1472448403986@mail.yahoo.com> >David stated (repeatedly) that RX I/Q was suppressed on the KX2 ... not to reduce cost, size or weight, but rather to create "product differentiation" (his words) with the K3 and KX3.? In other words (my words), Elecraft didn't want to make the same "mistake" with the KX2 that it made with the KX3. Forced product differentiation is rarely ever done well. Is the implication that if the KX3 were intentionally crippled so it were substantially less effective than a K3, many Elecraft customers would buy both? I know I certainly wouldn't have. I wouldn't have bought a K3 or any other similarly sized transceiver for home. My home station upstream of the coax is disassembled and packed/locked up after most operating sessions. Furthermore, if the KX3 were less effective, I may not have paid the premium for it (twice) for portable use either. I bought the KX3 precisely because its combination of features made it a superior choice for both my home and portable use. If Elecraft never existed, I'd probably have been happy enough--ignorance is bliss--with my FT-857D and its successors.? >Please reply to this thread if you're interested in having Elecraft expose RX I/Q on the KX2. ? I'm conflicted on this. With no RX I/Q, I'm not tempted to buy one. My wife already thinks I've bought too many expensive R2D2s...? 73, Ryan AI6DO From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Aug 29 01:49:34 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 22:49:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] fast becoming my favorite radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0bbf4988-bbc5-1fa2-cf96-7cfef2671845@audiosystemsgroup.com> Bill, Look at k9yc.com/7QP.pdf to see what W6GJB did to temporarily mount a KX3 with PX3 in his pickup. One of my Chicago buddies, K9IKZ, was able to fit his KX3 beautifully into an opening in the console of his Audi. I've seen a picture, but can't find it. 73, Jim K9YC On Sun,8/28/2016 8:57 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > I have been looking at rigs for HF mobile. Not having 6 meters is > annoying. The smaller size is wonderful. From john at eeek.org.uk Mon Aug 29 02:46:50 2016 From: john at eeek.org.uk (John) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 07:46:50 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software In-Reply-To: <71945ed2-ca4f-0e09-214f-216fbdb8efda@snet.net> References: <7044626e-2d05-2aae-6114-2d904fe58aaf@snet.net> <008a01d2014b$97389b10$c5a9d130$@eeek.org.uk> <71945ed2-ca4f-0e09-214f-216fbdb8efda@snet.net> Message-ID: <00d101d201c1$1ed22490$5c766db0$@eeek.org.uk> Hi Joe, I threw together a quick test in my shack here, did some packet captures because I was curious about what it actually does, and also did some other testing. First things first... On your client machine, open a telnet (or raw, it doesn't matter which) connection to your server's IP address on port 2001 (or whatever the port you set on your 'server' pc is). You should see what looks like a lot of gibberish, repeating itself in 8 character blocks. If this is working then your remote end is successfully connected to the W2, you have communication through to your remote end, and the fault lies with your local copy of the W2 software. If your terminal connection does not receive the strings of gibberish, then the fault is with your remote copy of the W2 software, because, as you said, your Avocent device can see the W2 and give you version information. I've seen once that I had to power cycle the W2 after the software was running to get the software to see it again, but usually that side seems stable. For reference, I've pasted a small (half a second) output of the 'gibberish' I refer to. 73, and a firm left handshake, John (XLX) ========================= pasted content ========================= R00000D3;S0000;I21120120011;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000; F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;I21120120011;F00000D3;R00000 D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S 0000;I21120120011;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R 00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;I21120120011;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F 00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;I2112 0120011;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0 000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;I21120120011;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R0 0000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;I21120120011;F0 0000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000 D3;R00000D3;S0000;I21120120011;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S00 00;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;I21120120011;F00000D3;R00 000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D 3;S0000;I21120120011;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D 3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;I21120120011;F00000D3;R00000D3;S000 0;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;I2 1120120011;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3 ;S0000;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;I21120120011;F00000D3;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3 ;R00000D3;S0000;F00000D3; ============================================================== -----Original Message----- From: JOE [mailto:k1ike at snet.net] Sent: 29 August 2016 01:50 To: John ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software Hello John, We have a remote station that is 10 miles from my house. I use Remoterig to link a TS480SAT from my house to the remote site. There is also a 600 watt amplifier at the site, so I am using the W2 wattmeter to monitor the output and VSWR at the remote location. The Elecraft W2 Interface software is loaded on my computer at my house and is used as a client to talk to the remote site. No com port is involved on the local computer. At the site I have a device called an Avocent ESP-4 Serial Hub. This is connected to the LAN at the site and provides 4 com ports for various pieces of equipment. All was working well, except for the fact that I had to occasionally power cycle the W2 wattmeter to get it to connect. I built a small circuit that powers up the W2 wattmeter when the DTR goes high when the software connects. The OS in the computer and the W2 software has not changed. It's almost as if the Elecraft W2 Interface software has stopped functioning for some reason. Joe On 8/28/2016 12:45 PM, John wrote: > Hi Joe, > > I'd not realised until now that you can do this with the W2, but I'm > looking to set mine up to test this now for you! > > I assume you have the same W2 software running at both ends? It looks > to me that the network function simply bridges the software at both > sides, based on the manual. > > When you say you are connecting to the remote W2, where are you doing this? > >From the 'client' machine? From the 'server' machine connected to the > >W2? If > from the 'client', what exact settings are you using? > > You've not got anything like Windows Firewall running on either end, > have you? Have any updates been done on either PC? What OSs are you working with? > > 73, and a firm left handshake, > John (XLX) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > JOE > Sent: 28 August 2016 16:59 > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] W-2 Wattmeter software > > Hello to All, > > I'm having trouble with connecting to the W-2 wattmeter with the > Elecraft W2 Interface software available on the website using an internet connection. > The wattmeter is V1.00 software and the W-2 software is V1.12.1.18 > The error is "Looking for a W2 on Network". > > I had this working in the past and now it has me stumped. Using Putty > communication software I can connect to the remote W-2 and it responds > with > V1.00 when I invoke the "V" command so I know the connection is good. > Using a direct connection to the W2 from the computer com port works > fine. I'm using the factory cable that did work in the past. > > The W2 Interface software is set up with Network (TCP/IP) checked, > Client, and the server IP and port that worked with Putty. > > This has me stumped. It has to be something simple that I am missing. > > 73, Joe, K1ike > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > john at eeek.org.uk > > From n1ix at n1ix.com Mon Aug 29 07:05:23 2016 From: n1ix at n1ix.com (n1ix at n1ix.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 07:05:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB K3 crystal filters. Message-ID: <001901d201e5$3dafb6b0$b90f2410$@n1ix.com> I'm looking for the following filters. KFL3A-250 KFL3A-400 If you have either or both and they are excess to your needs I will buy them. Dave N1IX From wrmichael at hotmail.com Mon Aug 29 08:05:48 2016 From: wrmichael at hotmail.com (Wayne Michael) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 08:05:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and HRD Message-ID: Does anyone know how to get HRD to show the ALC and Power meters when transmitting for the K3S? From brian at kf6c.com Mon Aug 29 10:19:01 2016 From: brian at kf6c.com (Brian D. Comer) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 07:19:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 ant control (Brian D. Comer) Message-ID: <006c01d20200$4aa81270$dff83750$@com> Bill The station has a bank of 4 marine batteries and a 1 kw inverter backing up the K3s, kat500, Steppir controller, Green heron rotor and the computer. Power outages are a regular occurrence at this remote location in Upstate New York, However; the first thing that would happen in this case would have been the K3s would have powered down and not restarted. Thanks for the info though I appreciate your reply Brian KF6C. From mike at k5ux.com Mon Aug 29 10:41:58 2016 From: mike at k5ux.com (mike at k5ux.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 07:41:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Extended VFO Temperature Compensation Message-ID: <20160829074158.6b14a0001814609739393868234d6414.cf327de185.wbe@email10.godaddy.com> From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 10:58:10 2016 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 10:58:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and HRD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In the HRD Rig Control application, try Customize -> Meters. However, if the K3S doesn't support displaying the meter externally, HRD can't display It. I tried on my K3 s/n 281 and, despite selecting the options for ALC and PWR, they weren't displayed, which leads me to believe the K3/S doesn't support that particular capability. Perhaps someone more intimately familiar with the firmware can chime in and provide more detail. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624 North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: > Does anyone know how to get HRD to show the ALC and Power meters when > transmitting for the K3S? > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com > From ae5x at juno.com Mon Aug 29 11:28:03 2016 From: ae5x at juno.com (ae5x at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:28:03 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] fast becoming my favorite radio Message-ID: <20160829.102803.28264.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Here's a "KX2 for 6 meters" solution: http://transverters-store.com/50mhz.htm John AE5X http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ ___________________________ I have been looking at rigs for HF mobile. Not having 6 meters is annoying. The smaller size is wonderful. 73 Bill AE6JV ____________________________________________________________ hooch.net (Sponsored by Content.Ad) 14 Secrets MASH Producers Hid From Fans http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/57c454ee415a654ee08dbst51vuc From wa6nhc at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 11:32:52 2016 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 08:32:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and HRD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <465803b0-0420-769e-7ee3-c7d936edb08e@gmail.com> I'm a beta tester and have griped about it so they are aware of it. However they have come to realize firsthand how much WORK a business (95% customer complaint management) can be and have (lately) concentrated their (meager) programming efforts in other areas to provide more for the bulk of people using the software. The only real rig control work they've done of late was to add the 7300 into the list (and will add the spectrum scope 'someday', yes I 'prodded' and the sales rate was an indicator too). So don't hold your breath until they can get more programming staff (open hiring). It's also a challenge because there is already a fair amount of traffic on the serial line (and hams tend to use older, slower [cheap] computers) so real time metering display presents other challenges in timing and data flow as well. Having said that, I've looked at other software packages and find them missing major elements/requirements (logging for one) or they're simply a collection of parts stuck together that needs a tech to keep running since they were never designed to work as a suite; they work but don't fit together well, consistently or smoothly. While HRD is lacking refinements, it's simple to keep running, works well with it's elements and other software can interface with it readily (via tcp/ip, which other software packages don't manage at all). Rick wa6nhc On 8/29/2016 7:58 AM, Ian Kahn wrote: > In the HRD Rig Control application, try Customize -> Meters. However, if > the K3S doesn't support displaying the meter externally, HRD can't display > It. I tried on my K3 s/n 281 and, despite selecting the options for ALC and > PWR, they weren't displayed, which leads me to believe the K3/S doesn't > support that particular capability. Perhaps someone more intimately > familiar with the firmware can chime in and provide more detail. > > 73 de, > > --Ian > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > Roswell, GA EM74ua > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > 10-10 #74624 North Georgia Chapter #2038 > PODXS 070 #1962 > K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Michael > wrote: > >> Does anyone know how to get HRD to show the ALC and Power meters when >> transmitting for the K3S? >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6nhc at gmail.com From esteptony at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 11:40:55 2016 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 10:40:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock accuracy and JT-65 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 4:30 PM, John R. Lonigro wrote: > ....that accuracy is required in the computer doing the encoding/decoding, > not the radio.... > ============ Correct. There are various automated schemes for making sure that the computer clock is accurate; some have been discussed on this forum in the past. With Windows 8 and later you can sync manually with government time standards by clicking on the time in the lower right of the taskbar and working through the menus. Tony KT0NY From wrmichael at hotmail.com Mon Aug 29 11:41:34 2016 From: wrmichael at hotmail.com (Wayne Michael) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 11:41:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and HRD In-Reply-To: <465803b0-0420-769e-7ee3-c7d936edb08e@gmail.com> References: , , <465803b0-0420-769e-7ee3-c7d936edb08e@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick, For the Omni VII rig from HRD 5 to 6 it got worse. I recently sold that rig figuring maybe a more modern rig would have better support. Seems like the KX3 had those meters available with HRD. I may contact HRD and ask if they plan to add the meters. Thanks, Wayne > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > From: wa6nhc at gmail.com > Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 08:32:52 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and HRD > > I'm a beta tester and have griped about it so they are aware of it. > However they have come to realize firsthand how much WORK a business > (95% customer complaint management) can be and have (lately) > concentrated their (meager) programming efforts in other areas to > provide more for the bulk of people using the software. The only real > rig control work they've done of late was to add the 7300 into the list > (and will add the spectrum scope 'someday', yes I 'prodded' and the > sales rate was an indicator too). > > So don't hold your breath until they can get more programming staff > (open hiring). It's also a challenge because there is already a fair > amount of traffic on the serial line (and hams tend to use older, slower > [cheap] computers) so real time metering display presents other > challenges in timing and data flow as well. > > Having said that, I've looked at other software packages and find them > missing major elements/requirements (logging for one) or they're simply > a collection of parts stuck together that needs a tech to keep running > since they were never designed to work as a suite; they work but don't > fit together well, consistently or smoothly. While HRD is lacking > refinements, it's simple to keep running, works well with it's elements > and other software can interface with it readily (via tcp/ip, which > other software packages don't manage at all). > > Rick wa6nhc > > On 8/29/2016 7:58 AM, Ian Kahn wrote: > > In the HRD Rig Control application, try Customize -> Meters. However, if > > the K3S doesn't support displaying the meter externally, HRD can't display > > It. I tried on my K3 s/n 281 and, despite selecting the options for ALC and > > PWR, they weren't displayed, which leads me to believe the K3/S doesn't > > support that particular capability. Perhaps someone more intimately > > familiar with the firmware can chime in and provide more detail. > > > > 73 de, > > > > --Ian > > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > > Roswell, GA EM74ua > > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > > 10-10 #74624 North Georgia Chapter #2038 > > PODXS 070 #1962 > > K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Michael > > wrote: > > > >> Does anyone know how to get HRD to show the ALC and Power meters when > >> transmitting for the K3S? > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wa6nhc at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wrmichael at hotmail.com From len at ka7ftp.com Mon Aug 29 12:03:19 2016 From: len at ka7ftp.com (len at ka7ftp.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 10:03:19 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2][KX3][KXIQ2] Best Base Station: KX2 vs KX3 In-Reply-To: <1472443800415-7621965.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472443800415-7621965.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <03f601d2020e$dc794b20$956be160$@ka7ftp.com> +1 to this: "Please reply to this thread if you're interested in having Elecraft expose RX I/Q on the KX2." I've owned a KX1, currently own a KX3/PX3 and a KX2. I don't have a lot of space for my radio gear and am a big fan of the small form factors. I've had more fun with my KX3 than any other radio I have used. I've become highly dependent on the PX3 and wish I had the same option to use one with my KX2. For me, having the I/Q on the KX2 would not eliminate need for my KX3. I still want the extra band coverage of 160 and 6 meters, I also use my KX3 on 2 meters. Having I/Q on my KX2 would greatly expand the flexibility, and let me operate in a similar manner to my KX3. 73 Len From wa6nhc at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 12:07:20 2016 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 09:07:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Clock accuracy and JT-65 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <717c4a83-9dca-e0c2-660e-d698d369c548@gmail.com> do NOT trust Windows to set time accurately (and only once a day too). They've mangled NTP so badly that it has a five minute accuracy window... if you want your computer to be accurate, replace the MS client with Meinburg. Mine stays within a few milliseconds now, easily close enough for ham tasks. Rick nhc On 8/29/2016 8:40 AM, Tony Estep wrote: > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 4:30 PM, John R. Lonigro wrote: > >> ....that accuracy is required in the computer doing the encoding/decoding, >> not the radio.... >> > ============ > Correct. There are various automated schemes for making sure that the > computer clock is accurate; some have been discussed on this forum in the > past. With Windows 8 and later you can sync manually with government time > standards by clicking on the time in the lower right of the taskbar and > working through the menus. > > Tony KT0NY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6nhc at gmail.com From wa6nhc at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 12:09:26 2016 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 09:09:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and HRD In-Reply-To: References: <465803b0-0420-769e-7ee3-c7d936edb08e@gmail.com> Message-ID: They plan on it... and plan on it... it's a time & money management thing... How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time... the HRD folks can only nibble at it, they have to do other things to make a living too. Rick nhc On 8/29/2016 8:41 AM, Wayne Michael wrote: > Rick, > > For the Omni VII rig from HRD 5 to 6 it got worse. > > I recently sold that rig figuring maybe a more modern rig would have > better support. > > Seems like the KX3 had those meters available with HRD. > > I may contact HRD and ask if they plan to add the meters. > > Thanks, > > Wayne > > > > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > From: wa6nhc at gmail.com > > Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 08:32:52 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and HRD > > > > I'm a beta tester and have griped about it so they are aware of it. > > However they have come to realize firsthand how much WORK a business > > (95% customer complaint management) can be and have (lately) > > concentrated their (meager) programming efforts in other areas to > > provide more for the bulk of people using the software. The only real > > rig control work they've done of late was to add the 7300 into the list > > (and will add the spectrum scope 'someday', yes I 'prodded' and the > > sales rate was an indicator too). > > > > So don't hold your breath until they can get more programming staff > > (open hiring). It's also a challenge because there is already a fair > > amount of traffic on the serial line (and hams tend to use older, > slower > > [cheap] computers) so real time metering display presents other > > challenges in timing and data flow as well. > > > > Having said that, I've looked at other software packages and find them > > missing major elements/requirements (logging for one) or they're simply > > a collection of parts stuck together that needs a tech to keep running > > since they were never designed to work as a suite; they work but don't > > fit together well, consistently or smoothly. While HRD is lacking > > refinements, it's simple to keep running, works well with it's elements > > and other software can interface with it readily (via tcp/ip, which > > other software packages don't manage at all). > > > > Rick wa6nhc > > > > On 8/29/2016 7:58 AM, Ian Kahn wrote: > > > In the HRD Rig Control application, try Customize -> Meters. > However, if > > > the K3S doesn't support displaying the meter externally, HRD can't > display > > > It. I tried on my K3 s/n 281 and, despite selecting the options > for ALC and > > > PWR, they weren't displayed, which leads me to believe the K3/S > doesn't > > > support that particular capability. Perhaps someone more intimately > > > familiar with the firmware can chime in and provide more detail. > > > > > > 73 de, > > > > > > --Ian > > > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > > > Roswell, GA EM74ua > > > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > > > 10-10 #74624 North Georgia Chapter #2038 > > > PODXS 070 #1962 > > > K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Michael > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Does anyone know how to get HRD to show the ALC and Power meters when > > >> transmitting for the K3S? > > >> > > >> > > >> ______________________________________________________________ > > >> Elecraft mailing list > > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > >> > > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > >> Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com > > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to wa6nhc at gmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wrmichael at hotmail.com From jimfinan at att.net Mon Aug 29 13:12:19 2016 From: jimfinan at att.net (Jim Finan) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 13:12:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2][KX3][KXIQ2] Best Base Station: KX2 vs KX3 In-Reply-To: <1472443800415-7621965.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472443800415-7621965.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20160829171219.5869643.10684.47443@att.net> An 'unsuppressed' ?KX2 would be a nice upgrade option... Jim?Finan AB4AC ? Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. ? Original Message ? From: Joe Stone (KF5WBO) Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 12:11 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2][KX3][KXIQ2] Best Base Station: KX2 vs KX3 > For those who use a KX3 as their primary HF rig > at the home QTH, which features (unique to the > KX3 as compared to the KX2) are critical? Hajo (DL1SDZ) wrote, The Px3, the rest is nice to have. Ryan (AI6DO) wrote, I find the PX3 panadapter to be indispensible in both environments (both in the shack and in the field), so the lack of RX I/Q outputs is the KX2's biggest shortcoming to me. Thank you, Hajo and Ryan. I think you're absolutely correct. I attended David Shoaf?s "Shrinking the HF Transceiver" presentation at Ham-Com in Irving, Texas this year. David is in charge of international distribution and customer support at Elecraft. As part of his presentation, David shared that Elecraft was (unpleasantly) surprised by the high percentage of KX3's being used as base stations, in many cases, serving as the operator's one and only one HF rig. In other words, operators were buying KX3's in lieu of, rather than in addition to, K3's. David stated (repeatedly) that RX I/Q was suppressed on the KX2 ... not to reduce cost, size or weight, but rather to create "product differentiation" (his words) with the K3 and KX3. In other words (my words), Elecraft didn't want to make the same "mistake" with the KX2 that it made with the KX3. I was able to play with a KX2 at Ham-Com. What a blast. I'm anxious to purchase a KX2. However, I?d feel cheated purchasing a KX2 knowing RX I/Q was unnecessarily suppressed (at least from an engineering perspective). I?d like Elecraft to offer a KXIQ2 (an alternative to the KXIO2), replacing the AUX output of the KXIO2 with an RX I/Q output. Please reply to this thread if you're interested in having Elecraft expose RX I/Q on the KX2. This will enable the KX2 to be used with a PX3 for backyard / picnic table portable operation, travel, ... and, of course, in using the KX2 as a base station at the home QTH. For hand-held, pedestrian mobile and ultralight backpacking, I'll leave the PX3 at home and disable the RX I/Q output in order to save the 10 - 15 mA receive-mode current drain. Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-KX3-KXIQ2-Best-Base-Station-KX2-vs-KX3-tp7621965.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimfinan at att.net From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Mon Aug 29 13:53:27 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 13:53:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and HRD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It appears to me that many are quite happy to make excuses for shortcomings of the current owner/seller of HRD. I know from experience, you either jump for the customers and give them what they want - or, you will quickly become a "has been." The excuse makers will not put food on the table. I never upgraded to a paid for version of HRD, although I did donate to Simon for his versions, as the upgrades I desired were never addressed. I did download a test version a couple of times, and that confirmed I had made a wise decision. Currently I use a Genovation keypad and a K-Pod for rig control - fully customizable to do whatever I want. From etksubs at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 13:53:13 2016 From: etksubs at gmail.com (etksubs at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 13:53:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: <0E9E8187-22D4-46AB-AE2F-0EC8799AC182@gmail.com> References: <0E9E8187-22D4-46AB-AE2F-0EC8799AC182@gmail.com> Message-ID: When you are logging to paper and have the radio clock displayed for the specific purpose of having a handy UTC clock it's annoying when it's off. The KXBC3 is marketed as a battery charger and RTC, and I bought it for both. Erik W1QED Sent from my iPad On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:46 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN > wrote: > > Re: "...the clock seems to lose a couple of minutes per month.? > You know a radio must be pretty good when the complaints start drifting off to how accurate (or not) it is as a timepiece ;-) Grant NQ5T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to etksubs at gmail.com From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Mon Aug 29 14:04:02 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 11:04:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2][KX3][KXIQ2] Best Base Station: KX2 vs KX3 In-Reply-To: <03f601d2020e$dc794b20$956be160$@ka7ftp.com> References: <1472443800415-7621965.post@n2.nabble.com> <03f601d2020e$dc794b20$956be160$@ka7ftp.com> Message-ID: <1472493842231-7621985.post@n2.nabble.com> > For me, having the I/Q on the KX2 would not eliminate need for my KX3. I agree, Len. In purchasing a KX2 with an RX I/Q output, I'd dedicate my KX3 to the shack. I'd use the KX2 / PX3 combination in the backyard, on a picnic table at the park, for camping, day hikes, Field Day, mini DX-peditions, travel, RVing, ... Elecraft already has the art work / silkscreen for the KX2 with RX I/Q left side panel, http://wickedstone.com/KF5WBO/KX2withRXIQ.jpg We're halfway there. Hi hi. 73's Joe KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-KX3-KXIQ2-Best-Base-Station-KX2-vs-KX3-tp7621965p7621985.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From eckerpw at yahoo.com Mon Aug 29 14:27:52 2016 From: eckerpw at yahoo.com (paul ecker) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 18:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and HRD References: <588718286.1630334.1472495272198.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <588718286.1630334.1472495272198@mail.yahoo.com> Save your self a lot of trouble and change over to Win4K3 Suite. It is specifically designed for Elecraft products and the customer support leaves HRD in its rearview mirror. Check out the website.? 73Paulkc2nyu Win4K3 Suite Software for the Elecraft K3 K3S and KX2 | | | | | | | | | | | Win4K3 Suite Software for the Elecraft K3 K3S and KX2 | | | | From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Aug 29 14:26:24 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 11:26:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and HRD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon,8/29/2016 10:53 AM, Bill wrote: > It appears to me that many are quite happy to make excuses for > shortcomings of the current owner/seller of HRD. SNIP > I never upgraded to a paid for version of HRD, although I did donate > to Simon for his versions, as the upgrades I desired were never > addressed. I used Simon's version for some digital modes and liked it. I still use his mapping utility to generate the paper maps I use to keep track of VHF grids and CQ Fields. I had the same reaction you did to the paid version, and after a first look, never gave it a second thought. I've been a happy user of DXKeeper and DXView since 2003, and have been happily using Spot Collector and WinWarbler for 3-4 years. They're all part of AA6YQ's excellent DXLab Suite, which is FREE, stable, actively updated (new features, new rigs, new software to control other rigs, etc.) and well supported. 73, Jim K9YC From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk Mon Aug 29 14:30:32 2016 From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David Pratt) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:30:32 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: References: <0E9E8187-22D4-46AB-AE2F-0EC8799AC182@gmail.com> Message-ID: In a recent message, "etksubs at gmail.com" writes >When you are logging to paper and have the radio clock displayed for >the specific purpose of having a handy UTC clock it's annoying when >it's off. The KXBC3 is marketed as a battery charger and RTC, and I >bought it for both. As it turned out not to be as expected, Erik, would you like to sell it? 73 de David G4DMP -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From randyn1kwf at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 15:03:54 2016 From: randyn1kwf at gmail.com (Randy Lake) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:03:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPod stopped working Message-ID: I just hooked up the Kpod and and get no response to any functions. I read through the instructions again but am obviously missing something. The data cable is firmly in place and power is from USB. K3 Ver 5.50 Any thoughts? Randy N1KWF -- Randy Lake N1KWF 73 Gunn Rd. Keene,NH From tomb18 at videotron.ca Mon Aug 29 15:08:49 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:08:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win3k3 Message-ID: I sent you at least 2 ?emails before the weekend we were supposed toget together and never got a reply. Remember, your wife was away for the weekend?In any case please reply with you phone number and I'll call you.73 Tom Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.rem From jbammi at mac.com Mon Aug 29 15:14:44 2016 From: jbammi at mac.com (JWAHAR BAMMI) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:14:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] XG3 Waveform Shape Message-ID: I just purchased an XG3 adding it to my small collection of test instruments. Of course, the first thing I did was direct hooked the output to my Scope. What i see is not pretty. At various frequencies and levels, nothing looks like a great looking clean square wave that i was expecting. I get the right frequencies and levels, but the shapes are not great (over/under shoot, rounded tops/bottoms etc). Am i looking at this incorrectly, or are my expectations unreasonable? For the record, on the same equipment, the output of a cheap Chinese function generator (eevblogs Dave Jone?s one hung low specials!) looks great, almost perfectly square, with excellent risk/fall times, sharp corners, not much over/under shoot etc. any advise welcome, 73 de kc1ccr From jermo at carolinaheli.com Mon Aug 29 15:25:30 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:25:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win3k3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000d01d2022b$1c2ebcc0$548c3640$@carolinaheli.com> ? to whom are you directing your comments? It went through the reflector :) -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of tomb18 Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 3:09 PM To: wrmichael at hotmail.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Win3k3 I sent you at least 2 emails before the weekend we were supposed toget together and never got a reply. Remember, your wife was away for the weekend?In any case please reply with you phone number and I'll call you.73 Tom Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.rem ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From phystad at mac.com Mon Aug 29 15:28:09 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 12:28:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: W1 Kit with W1 Serial Cable Kit Message-ID: <4ADF2F8B-1B19-420A-A1FA-9971E09B0BA1@mac.com> I bought the W1 Kit along with the W1 Serial Cable Kit almost two years ago and have never had the time to put it together and my original need for this product has long passed (as I gave away the radio that I was planning to use it with). Original posted price for both on the Elecraft web site is pennies under $115 plus necessary shipping. I am offering the W1 Kit and W1 Serial Cable kit for $75 Inclusive of packaging and shipping. That is, $75 puts it at your QTH after brief transit with either US Postal Service or maybe UPS Ground. W1 Wattmeter HF with Dataport KIT W1 Serial Cable Kit $75 (includes postage) Paypal desired. 73, phil, K7PEH From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Mon Aug 29 15:50:14 2016 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 12:50:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2][KX3][KXIQ2] Best Base Station: KX2 vs KX3 In-Reply-To: <1882878009.1260647.1472448403986@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1472443800415-7621965.post@n2.nabble.com> <1882878009.1260647.1472448403986@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1472500214058-7621994.post@n2.nabble.com> >I'm conflicted on this. With no RX I/Q, I'm not tempted to buy one. My wife already thinks I've bought too >many expensive R2D2s... >73, Ryan AI6DO Q: How many R2D2s does a man need? A: One less than his wife will divorce him for buying. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-KX3-KXIQ2-Best-Base-Station-KX2-vs-KX3-tp7621965p7621994.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wa6nhc at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 15:56:48 2016 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 12:56:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and HRD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02fa7e1a-03c5-0783-96a0-67d84845bda3@gmail.com> Which is EXACTLY why there is chocolate, strawberry AND vanilla to choose from. ;-) I always thought that 'suite' to be a collection of random parts marginally integrated and hard to manage. To each their own flavor; they ALL have something lacking. Rick nhc On 8/29/2016 11:26 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > I've been a happy user of DXKeeper and DXView since 2003, and have > been happily using Spot Collector and WinWarbler for 3-4 years. > They're all part of AA6YQ's excellent DXLab Suite, which is FREE, > stable, actively updated (new features, new rigs, new software to > control other rigs, etc.) and well supported. > > 73, Jim K9YC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 29 15:57:36 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:57:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] XG3 Waveform Shape In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4bf97746-3e92-82ea-eaeb-d253ef812235@embarqmail.com> That waveshape is likely normal (although I question the 'rounding' of the top/bottoms - check your scope probe compensation). Looking at my XG3, I see a square wave with considerable overshoot - steep vertical sides to the waveform - consistent with 'harmonic rich'. The XG3 is intended to drive a receiver which will have a Low Pass Filter (or other filter) at its input. That filter will clean up the waveform and in most cases produce a nice sine wave at the output of that filter. The XG3 is not a general purpose signal generator. You should find it a very handy instrument for receiver testing or even driving a transmitter low level stage. If you want a signal generator with a clean square or sine wave output, you will have to spend many more dollars for an instrument grade signal generator or function generator. I have an HP-8640B signal generator and an HP-3312A function generator for those times I need a clean waveform, but most of the time, the XG3 is more handy and works well. The level is controlled and the DDS controlled frequency is "on the money". It can sweep, send morse code or RTTY and many other functions can be had when coupled with XG3 Utility. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/29/2016 3:14 PM, JWAHAR BAMMI wrote: > I just purchased an XG3 adding it to my small collection of test instruments. Of course, the first thing I did was direct hooked the output to my Scope. What i see is not pretty. At various frequencies and levels, nothing looks like a great looking clean square wave that i was expecting. I get the right frequencies and levels, but the shapes are not great (over/under shoot, rounded tops/bottoms etc). > > Am i looking at this incorrectly, or are my expectations unreasonable? For the record, on the same equipment, the output of a cheap Chinese function generator (eevblogs Dave Jone?s one hung low specials!) looks great, almost perfectly square, with excellent risk/fall times, sharp corners, not much over/under shoot etc. > From ab2tc at arrl.net Mon Aug 29 16:35:14 2016 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 13:35:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Clock accuracy and JT-65 In-Reply-To: <717c4a83-9dca-e0c2-660e-d698d369c548@gmail.com> References: <717c4a83-9dca-e0c2-660e-d698d369c548@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1472502914577-7621997.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, I couldn't agree more. I have had Meinberg NTP on both my computers for a decade or more and it works perfectly. While I can't tell that it is ms accurate (I have no doubt that it is) but it is certainly totally synced to WWV as determined by the ear and eyes. Just Google it, install it and use it. What MS supplies with Windows is junk. AB2TC - Knut Rick WA6NHC-2 wrote > do NOT trust Windows to set time accurately (and only once a day too). > They've mangled NTP so badly that it has a five minute accuracy > window... if you want your computer to be accurate, replace the MS > client with Meinburg. Mine stays within a few milliseconds now, easily > close enough for ham tasks. > > Rick nhc > > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Clock-accuracy-and-JT-65-tp7621932p7621997.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From raysills3 at verizon.net Mon Aug 29 16:41:15 2016 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 16:41:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2][KX3][KXIQ2] Best Base Station: KX2 vs KX3 In-Reply-To: <03f601d2020e$dc794b20$956be160$@ka7ftp.com> References: <1472443800415-7621965.post@n2.nabble.com> <03f601d2020e$dc794b20$956be160$@ka7ftp.com> Message-ID: <5F0E71B3-9FA0-4928-B162-8353759CF446@verizon.net> Hi Len: Perhaps this idea (I/Q output from the KX2) would be an area where someone would develop an after-market item that would permit tapping the I/Q data and porting it to the outside world. I?m sure that the Elecraft people must have considered the idea of such a port on the KX2, but made the decision that most KX2 users would not take advantage of it. I?d suppose that the though process was: if it adds another $50 to the price of the rig, how many people would decide against the KX2? Would it be better to skip that feature and just make a compact multi-band rig? I think that the new paddle design was something that appeals to more customers, especially since it can also be used with the KX3. There?s always trade-offs in any design project, and you can?t please everyone. In my case, my KX3 is my ?main? rig, and I have a PX3 for it. However, if I were to look for an ultra compact rig, it would be for very portable field use. The KX2 might be a candidate, as would the MTR. But, that?s a big ?if?. I already have a bunch of rigs, including a KX1, which is pretty compact in it?s own right. So, my money would be on some 3rd party developer figuring out how to bring out the I/Q signal (hopefully doing so without mangling the KX2 and losing the factory warranty)? so that the feature can be provided for those who really want it. Me? I doubt I would ever use such a feature, so I?m not disappointed that it?s not already included. After all, I can use it with the KX3. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 > On Aug 29, 2016, at 12:03 PM, len at ka7ftp.com wrote: > > +1 to this: > > "Please reply to this thread if you're interested in having Elecraft expose RX I/Q on the KX2." > > I've owned a KX1, currently own a KX3/PX3 and a KX2. I don't have a lot of space for my radio gear and am a big fan of the small form factors. I've had more fun with my KX3 than any other radio I have used. I've become highly dependent on the PX3 and wish I had the same option to use one with my KX2. For me, having the I/Q on the KX2 would not eliminate need for my KX3. I still want the extra band coverage of 160 and 6 meters, I also use my KX3 on 2 meters. Having I/Q on my KX2 would greatly expand the flexibility, and let me operate in a similar manner to my KX3. > > 73 > > Len > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Aug 29 16:57:42 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 13:57:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2][KX3][KXIQ2] Best Base Station: KX2 vs KX3 In-Reply-To: <5F0E71B3-9FA0-4928-B162-8353759CF446@verizon.net> Message-ID: What is the reality of using the new KX2 paddle (KXPD2) on a KX3? I had someone from Elecraft tell me that it didn't work although the KX3 paddle (KXPD3) does work on the KX2. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/29/16 at 1:41 PM, raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) wrote: >I think that the new paddle design was something that appeals >to more customers, especially since it can also be used with >the KX3. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From davidahrendts at me.com Mon Aug 29 17:13:00 2016 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:13:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Bandwidth Message-ID: <0143FB76-61D7-4BDE-8297-E93F59C5F0C4@me.com> Quick question: TX ESSB bandwidth is 4.0 kHz. Is AM bandwidth 6.0 kHz? David A., KK6DA David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 29 17:19:05 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:19:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2][KX3][KXIQ2] Best Base Station: KX2 vs KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61c66a95-a9c9-3a97-dd9d-5db757861a5a@embarqmail.com> Bill, It should work fine. Just plug it in. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/29/2016 4:57 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > What is the reality of using the new KX2 paddle (KXPD2) on a KX3? I > had someone from Elecraft tell me that it didn't work although the KX3 > paddle (KXPD3) does work on the KX2. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Aug 29 17:26:44 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:26:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2][KX3][KXIQ2] Best Base Station: KX2 vs KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8AB60D6C-E4D4-4261-A29F-BAEEE157FC34@socal.rr.com> Should work fine. I'll have to try it! Phil -- Sent from my iPhone 5S > On Aug 29, 2016, at 13:57, Bill Frantz wrote: > > What is the reality of using the new KX2 paddle (KXPD2) on a KX3? I had someone from Elecraft tell me that it didn't work although the KX3 paddle (KXPD3) does work on the KX2. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > >> On 8/29/16 at 1:41 PM, raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) wrote: >> >> I think that the new paddle design was something that appeals to more customers, especially since it can also be used with the KX3. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7ox at socal.rr.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 29 17:27:36 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:27:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Bandwidth In-Reply-To: <0143FB76-61D7-4BDE-8297-E93F59C5F0C4@me.com> References: <0143FB76-61D7-4BDE-8297-E93F59C5F0C4@me.com> Message-ID: <2028ac32-819e-5011-f6e6-b0f97e624409@embarqmail.com> David, This is an often asked question - but it confuses the IF (or RF) bandwidth with the audio bandwidth. You can only get 3 kHz of audio from a 6 kHz wide AM signal. If you are using the 13kHz roofing filter for AM, you might get a bit more audio bandwidth. It has been that way since the invention of AM modulation. The audio is only 1/2 of the transmitted bandwidth. An AM signal occupying 6 kHz of RF (IF) bandwidth will have audio only up to 3 kHz. The AM signal transmits both sidebands, each containing the same audio information, so you can only recover half of that in the audio range. The K3(S), KX3 and the KX2 report the audio bandwidth, not the IF (or RF) bandwidth. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/29/2016 5:13 PM, David Ahrendts wrote: > Quick question: TX ESSB bandwidth is 4.0 kHz. Is AM bandwidth 6.0 kHz? > > From ron at cobi.biz Mon Aug 29 17:54:35 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 14:54:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2][KX3][KXIQ2] Best Base Station: KX2 vs KX3 In-Reply-To: <61c66a95-a9c9-3a97-dd9d-5db757861a5a@embarqmail.com> References: <61c66a95-a9c9-3a97-dd9d-5db757861a5a@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01d2023f$ef4aaf10$cde00d30$@biz> I have used the KXPD2 on a KX3 so I can say unequivocally that it does work. As Don said, just plug it in. Since the KXPD2 is shorter than the KXPD3, the KXPD2 paddles are slightly higher above the desk when the tilt stand is deployed, but by only by about 4 mm (0.15 inch). 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 2:19 PM To: Bill Frantz; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX2][KX3][KXIQ2] Best Base Station: KX2 vs KX3 Bill, It should work fine. Just plug it in. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/29/2016 4:57 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > What is the reality of using the new KX2 paddle (KXPD2) on a KX3? I > had someone from Elecraft tell me that it didn't work although the KX3 > paddle (KXPD3) does work on the KX2. From etksubs at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 18:05:42 2016 From: etksubs at gmail.com (etksubs at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 18:05:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: References: <0E9E8187-22D4-46AB-AE2F-0EC8799AC182@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ha ha, a little snarky comment-wise, but it's an annoyance, not a deal breaker... :-) I was just wondering if it was a one-off issue, and/or if there was a possibility of correcting the issue in any way. I've been doing some experimenting with condo patio antennas (hamstick dipole up a painters pole, vertical 16' telescoping, long wire up a Jackite pole) with the internal batteries at 5W and I'm more than happy with the KX3 over all! I've made as far as Ukraine at 5W from MA/USA... :-P 73, Erk W1QED > On 29 Aug 2016, at 14:30, David Pratt wrote: > > In a recent message, "etksubs at gmail.com" writes >> When you are logging to paper and have the radio clock displayed for >> the specific purpose of having a handy UTC clock it's annoying when >> it's off. The KXBC3 is marketed as a battery charger and RTC, and I >> bought it for both. > > As it turned out not to be as expected, Erik, would you like to sell it? > > 73 de David G4DMP > > -- > + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + > | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | > | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | > + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + > From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 18:12:06 2016 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 16:12:06 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 vs KX3 paddle Message-ID: I -think- there's an issue with the one of the screws for the KX3's paddle being too long with danger of it damaging a board if it's used on a KX2. 73! K0PP From ron at cobi.biz Mon Aug 29 18:22:26 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 15:22:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 vs KX3 paddle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001001d20243$d30d6320$79282960$@biz> Yes. But there is no issue using the KXPD2 paddles on a KX3. And one can order a second short screw for the KXPD3 so they can be used on either rig as well. Order E700245 from Elecraft. The long(er) screw does nothing for the installation on a KX3 either, so there's no reason to have it. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rose Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 3:12 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 vs KX3 paddle I -think- there's an issue with the one of the screws for the KX3's paddle being too long with danger of it damaging a board if it's used on a KX2. 73! K0PP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 29 18:28:21 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 18:28:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift In-Reply-To: References: <0E9E8187-22D4-46AB-AE2F-0EC8799AC182@gmail.com> Message-ID: <683d9f02-802f-043c-9abf-44510286c081@embarqmail.com> Erik, If you want to experiment with trimming the oscillator for the clock, you can try varying the capacitance of C7 and C8 on the KXBC3 option board. Nominal capacitor values are +/- 5%, so you may be able to find suitable capacitors that vary a bit from the nominal 15pF value that will set your RTC "right on". A few pF either side will likely make a significant difference. Again, a bit of experimentation will be in order to get it exactly correct. The actual capacitor value can vary from the nominal value by 0.75pF and still be in-spec, so only add/subtract a bit at a time. Monitoring the results over a long time period can be tedious work, but if you want it "spot on", it may be worth the effort for you. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/29/2016 6:05 PM, etksubs at gmail.com wrote: > I was just wondering if it was a one-off issue, and/or if there was a possibility of correcting the issue in any way. > From gkidder at ilstu.edu Mon Aug 29 18:29:18 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 18:29:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power "per mode and per band" Message-ID: <773c90db-1d85-43d6-95cf-3d2370a08222@ilstu.edu> I am inquiring if it is possible to have settings saved "per mode and per band". The current system seems to be "per band" only. Reason: Like many, I operate data modes as well as CW/SSB. On the latter two, the duty cycle is 50% or less, and running full power (100W) seems reasonable. However, on the data modes, the duty cycle is 100% during transmit, which bothers me, both since it might strain the amplifier and because there is generally no need for that power. However, if I back off the power for data modes, it remains backed off when I try to use SSB or CW on that band. It is easy to suggest programming fixes when I know nothing of the program. But if this is a reasonably easy one, it would be appreciated. Or maybe someone has found out how to do this with the present firmware (5.50)? George, W3HBM From tomb18 at videotron.ca Mon Aug 29 18:41:17 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 18:41:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power "per mode and per band" Message-ID: Hi You could set up a macro and use that to change bands, modes and power.?73 Tom?va2fsq.com? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: George Kidder Date: 2016-08-29 6:29 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: [Elecraft] Power "per mode and per band" I am inquiring if it is possible to have settings saved "per mode and per band".? The current system seems to be "per band" only. Reason:? Like many, I operate data modes as well as CW/SSB.? On the latter two, the duty cycle is 50% or less, and running full power (100W) seems reasonable.? However, on the data modes, the duty cycle is 100% during transmit, which bothers me, both since it might strain the amplifier and because there is generally no need for that power.? However, if I back off the power for data modes, it remains backed off when I try to use SSB or CW on that band. It is easy to suggest programming fixes when I know nothing of the program.? But if this is a reasonably easy one, it would be appreciated. Or maybe someone has found out how to do this with the present firmware (5.50)? George, W3HBM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From gkidder at ilstu.edu Mon Aug 29 18:42:57 2016 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 18:42:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power "per mode and per band" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Tom. I had thought of that, but since I use NaP3 to control band/mode switching, there is no access (that I know of) to the built-in macros which do that job. 73 - George, W3HBM On 8/29/2016 6:41 PM, tomb18 wrote: > Hi You could set up a macro and use that to change bands, modes and power. 73 Tom va2fsq.com > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: George Kidder Date: 2016-08-29 6:29 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: [Elecraft] Power "per mode and per band" > I am inquiring if it is possible to have settings saved "per mode and > per band". The current system seems to be "per band" only. > > Reason: Like many, I operate data modes as well as CW/SSB. On the > latter two, the duty cycle is 50% or less, and running full power (100W) > seems reasonable. However, on the data modes, the duty cycle is 100% > during transmit, which bothers me, both since it might strain the > amplifier and because there is generally no need for that power. > However, if I back off the power for data modes, it remains backed off > when I try to use SSB or CW on that band. > > It is easy to suggest programming fixes when I know nothing of the > program. But if this is a reasonably easy one, it would be appreciated. > > Or maybe someone has found out how to do this with the present firmware > (5.50)? > > George, W3HBM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From kb9iva at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 29 19:08:07 2016 From: kb9iva at sbcglobal.net (Robert Reiman) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 23:08:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Tablet 4KX@ & KX3 References: <1064598125.1829410.1472512087705.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1064598125.1829410.1472512087705@mail.yahoo.com> Which Tablet or Convertible computer would work best with a KX2 & KX 3 I have both & would like to run the thru a computer with various ham programs, do a lot of Field Radio operating thought this woud be handy plus other handy options ?that tablets have. Thanks in Advance 4 UR replys.72/73'sBob Kb9iva From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Mon Aug 29 19:19:48 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 16:19:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2][KX3][KXIQ2] RX I/Q Output for KX2 In-Reply-To: <5F0E71B3-9FA0-4928-B162-8353759CF446@verizon.net> References: <1472443800415-7621965.post@n2.nabble.com> <03f601d2020e$dc794b20$956be160$@ka7ftp.com> <5F0E71B3-9FA0-4928-B162-8353759CF446@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1472512788194-7622011.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Ray, That's exactly what I am proposing ... an RX I/Q *option* board (i.e., KXIQ2) for the KX2. The KXIQ2 would serve as an alternative to the KXIO2 Real Time Clock option board, replacing the AUX output of the KXIO2 with an RX I/Q output. As an *option* board, the KXIQ2 wouldn't add to the base cost of the KX2. > I?m sure that the Elecraft people must have considered the > idea of such a port on the KX2, I strongly suspect the earliest KX2's (prior to the field test units) had an RX I/Q port. > but made the decision that most KX2 users would not take > advantage of it. I don't think this was the reason. > So, my money would be on some 3rd party developer figuring > out how to bring out the I/Q signal I'd welcome a third-party KXIQ2 option board to expose RX I/Q (even if it does void the factory warranty). I periodically ask for the KX2 schematics for this vary reason. Joe KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX2-KX3-KXIQ2-Best-Base-Station-KX2-vs-KX3-tp7621965p7622011.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ve2pid at videotron.ca Mon Aug 29 19:25:01 2016 From: ve2pid at videotron.ca (VE2PID) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:25:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 clock drift Message-ID: .... Looking at the schematic of the KXBC3, the real time clock seems to be a part of chip PIC24F16KA10. And a reference to that chip says this: 29.3.9 Calibration The real-time crystal input can be calibrated using the periodic auto-adjust feature. When properly calibrated, the RTCC can provide an error of less than 3 seconds per month. This is accomplished by finding the number of error clock pulses and storing the value into the lower half of the RCFGCAL register. The 8-bit signed value loaded into the lower half of RCFGCAL is multiplied by four and will be either added or subtracted from the RTCC timer, once every minute. Refer to the steps below for RTCC calibration (Reference: http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/39696b.pdf ) So I wonder if some calibration could be done via a software mod. My KXBC3 clock gain about 15 seconds per week ... far away from 3 seconds per month ... ?? 73 de Pierre VE2PID KX3 s/n 190 From ghyoungman at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 19:26:06 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:26:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Bandwidth In-Reply-To: <2028ac32-819e-5011-f6e6-b0f97e624409@embarqmail.com> References: <0143FB76-61D7-4BDE-8297-E93F59C5F0C4@me.com> <2028ac32-819e-5011-f6e6-b0f97e624409@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: This is all true. Elecraft CAN in fact give you a much better bandwidth (maybe 4 Khz+ AUDIO Tx bandwidth when transmitting through the 13 KHz filter), which is quite good and sounds great on the air according to reports. So far, they have not been inclined to make it a part of the ?standard? feature set and officially ignore virtually all related comments and requests (no matter how many times you genuflect) It?s really REALLY hard to understand why ? they?ll give one interest segment everything they want, and simply ignore this one. I know .. we?re small in number, and some well known list members like to jump in bash any request for ?wider? bandwidth for anything. I guess ?timepiece" accuracy just gets more swipes. Like I don?t already have a watch :( At this point in THAT thread, I?m actually surprised there haven?t been complaints that they don?t offer interchangeable watch bands for the KX2 ? Grant NQ5T > On Aug 29, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > David, > > This is an often asked question - but it confuses the IF (or RF) bandwidth with the audio bandwidth. You can only get 3 kHz of audio from a 6 kHz wide AM signal. If you are using the 13kHz roofing filter for AM, you might get a bit more audio bandwidth. > It has been that way since the invention of AM modulation. The audio is only 1/2 of the transmitted bandwidth. > > An AM signal occupying 6 kHz of RF (IF) bandwidth will have audio only up to 3 kHz. The AM signal transmits both sidebands, each containing the same audio information, so you can only recover half of that in the audio range. > > The K3(S), KX3 and the KX2 report the audio bandwidth, not the IF (or RF) bandwidth. > From charlestropp at yahoo.com Mon Aug 29 19:28:23 2016 From: charlestropp at yahoo.com (Charles R.Tropp) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 23:28:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPod stopped working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1557805293.1642543.1472513303911@mail.yahoo.com> Is the green led under the "On" button lit? If not, perhaps a suspect USB cable? Try a swap.??73, Charles N2SO Treasurer, Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc.?http://QCWA.org On Monday, August 29, 2016 3:06 PM, Randy Lake wrote: I just hooked up the Kpod and and get no response to any functions. I read through the instructions again but am obviously missing something. The data cable is firmly in place and power is from USB. K3? Ver 5.50 Any thoughts? Randy N1KWF -- Randy Lake N1KWF 73 Gunn Rd. Keene,NH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to charlestropp at yahoo.com From charlestropp at yahoo.com Mon Aug 29 19:55:25 2016 From: charlestropp at yahoo.com (Charles R.Tropp) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 23:55:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPod stopped working In-Reply-To: <1557805293.1642543.1472513303911@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1557805293.1642543.1472513303911@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1441004735.1757984.1472514925637@mail.yahoo.com> OK Randy, that is a bit strange. I would send them an email tonight, so you will be in the queue for response tomorrow. (After 12:00 PM EDT). Describe the problem in detail in your message and what efforts you have made so far to get it to work. ??73, Charles N2SO Treasurer, Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc.?http://QCWA.org On Monday, August 29, 2016 7:48 PM, Charles R.Tropp via Elecraft wrote: Is the green led under the "On" button lit? If not, perhaps a suspect USB cable? Try a swap.??73, Charles N2SO Treasurer, Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc.?http://QCWA.org ? ? On Monday, August 29, 2016 3:06 PM, Randy Lake wrote: I just hooked up the Kpod and and get no response to any functions. I read through the instructions again but am obviously missing something. The data cable is firmly in place and power is from USB. K3? Ver 5.50 Any thoughts? Randy N1KWF -- Randy Lake N1KWF 73 Gunn Rd. Keene,NH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to charlestropp at yahoo.com ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to charlestropp at yahoo.com From lists at subich.com Mon Aug 29 19:57:39 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:57:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Bandwidth In-Reply-To: References: <0143FB76-61D7-4BDE-8297-E93F59C5F0C4@me.com> <2028ac32-819e-5011-f6e6-b0f97e624409@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <93f4e176-65e8-66a8-83df-d2c1f8ca9ed7@subich.com> On 8/29/2016 7:26 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > This is all true. Elecraft CAN in fact give you a much better > bandwidth (maybe 4 Khz+ AUDIO Tx bandwidth when transmitting through > the 13 KHz filter) The K3 can *already do* 4 KHz ESSB with either the 6 KHz or 13 KHz IF filter. Why is that not enough considering that there is practically no energy in the human voice above 3 KHz - certainly not enough to override the background "band noise" on most HF bands? 73, ... Joe, W4TV From ghyoungman at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 20:03:37 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:03:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Bandwidth In-Reply-To: <93f4e176-65e8-66a8-83df-d2c1f8ca9ed7@subich.com> References: <0143FB76-61D7-4BDE-8297-E93F59C5F0C4@me.com> <2028ac32-819e-5011-f6e6-b0f97e624409@embarqmail.com> <93f4e176-65e8-66a8-83df-d2c1f8ca9ed7@subich.com> Message-ID: <6199CA27-D120-4B59-88FC-7A43AAB0C0F5@gmail.com> My comment was related to TX bandwidth in AM, which was the point of Dos responst, not t ESSB. My mistake ? sometimes the brain does what you don?t want it to do. For the record ? Grant NQ5T > On Aug 29, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > On 8/29/2016 7:26 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: >> This is all true. Elecraft CAN in fact give you a much better >> bandwidth (maybe 4 Khz+ AUDIO Tx bandwidth when transmitting through >> the 13 KHz filter) > > The K3 can *already do* 4 KHz ESSB with either the 6 KHz or 13 KHz IF > filter. Why is that not enough considering that there is practically > no energy in the human voice above 3 KHz - certainly not enough to > override the background "band noise" on most HF bands? > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ghyoungman at gmail.com From ghyoungman at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 20:08:01 2016 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:08:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Bandwidth In-Reply-To: <6199CA27-D120-4B59-88FC-7A43AAB0C0F5@gmail.com> References: <0143FB76-61D7-4BDE-8297-E93F59C5F0C4@me.com> <2028ac32-819e-5011-f6e6-b0f97e624409@embarqmail.com> <93f4e176-65e8-66a8-83df-d2c1f8ca9ed7@subich.com> <6199CA27-D120-4B59-88FC-7A43AAB0C0F5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7DA5A96E-ADBE-46BC-84C6-537F3964002B@gmail.com> Apparently, I can?t type either ? well, at least I can write in cursive with a fine degree of penmanship, which is more than I can say for my grandchildren :-) > On Aug 29, 2016, at 8:03 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > > My comment was related to TX bandwidth in AM, which was the point of Dos responst, not t ESSB. My mistake ? sometimes the brain does what you don?t want it to do. > > For the record ? > > > Grant NQ5T > > From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 20:28:40 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 18:28:40 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] [KX2][KXIQ2] RX I/Q Output for KX2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FWIW .... In daily coffee meetings the local radio club members ... including several Elecraft owners ... don't appear to be very interested in marrying the PX3 and the KX2. 73 K0PP From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Mon Aug 29 20:45:06 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:45:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] [KX2][KXIQ2] RX I/Q Output for KX2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1472517906780-7622020.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Ken, How do your local radio club members use their KX3 + PX3? I don't understand why they wouldn't be interested in using a KX2 + PX3 in these same situations (e.g., in the backyard, on a picnic table at the park, camping, day hikes, Field Day, mini DX-peditions, travel, RVing, ...). 73's Joe KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-KX3-KX2-KXIQ2-RX-I-Q-Output-for-KX2-tp7622019p7622020.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k3hx at juno.com Mon Aug 29 20:56:55 2016 From: k3hx at juno.com (k3hx at juno.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 00:56:55 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] Meinberg concern. Message-ID: <20160830.005655.18818.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/advisories/ICSA-16-175-03 ____________________________________________________________ Fat Diminisher (Sponsored by Content.Ad) 1 Method ''Ends'' Tinnitus (Try This Tonight) http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/57c4d9f3bf46f59f31a90st04duc From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Mon Aug 29 21:09:24 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 18:09:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Meinberg concern. In-Reply-To: <20160830.005655.18818.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> References: <20160830.005655.18818.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <55e8757b-72b6-384b-e6c9-129974693e2e@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Doesn't look like this is anything that would affect Elecraft products, or any common Amateur Radio software. On 8/29/2016 5:56 PM, k3hx at juno.com wrote: > https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/advisories/ICSA-16-175-03 > ____________________________________________________________ > Fat Diminisher (Sponsored by Content.Ad) > 1 Method ''Ends'' Tinnitus (Try This Tonight) > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/57c4d9f3bf46f59f31a90st04duc > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com > From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 21:27:33 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:27:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] [KX2][KXIQ2] RX I/Q Output for KX2 In-Reply-To: <1472517906780-7622020.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472517906780-7622020.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, I have no idea if we're a typical club, but we're Montana's oldest, FWIW. We have these Elecraft rigs among the membership of 21 ... 3 K1's, 2 K2/100's, 1 K2/10, 1 KX3 w/PX3 and 2 K3's w/P3's. None of these radios have internal batteries. Two K2's and the KX3 spend part of the summer in RV's that happen to have solar power. The club uses a County-owned Yaesu for FD ... mostly to humor the CD guy. The K2/10 goes to the city park once in a while. Nobody hikes, but there's some interest in SOTA. FWIW .... From jim at rhodesend.net Mon Aug 29 21:27:50 2016 From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:27:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Meinberg concern. In-Reply-To: <55e8757b-72b6-384b-e6c9-129974693e2e@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <20160830.005655.18818.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> <55e8757b-72b6-384b-e6c9-129974693e2e@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: Just the time servers we rely on to keep our clocks set. Very important to some of the new digital modes I guess. On Aug 29, 2016 8:10 PM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" < KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > Doesn't look like this is anything that would affect Elecraft products, or > any common Amateur Radio software. > > On 8/29/2016 5:56 PM, k3hx at juno.com wrote: > >> https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/advisories/ICSA-16-175-03 >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Fat Diminisher (Sponsored by Content.Ad) >> 1 Method ''Ends'' Tinnitus (Try This Tonight) >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/57c4d9f3bf46f59f31a90st04duc >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kx3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com > From jim at rhodesend.net Mon Aug 29 21:31:35 2016 From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:31:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Tablet 4KX@ & KX3 In-Reply-To: References: <1064598125.1829410.1472512087705.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1064598125.1829410.1472512087705@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well one running the operating system that you use with your software at home is a good place to start. Bought my daughter a MS Surface last year and share likes it a lot after a year of use at school. On Aug 29, 2016 6:08 PM, "Robert Reiman" wrote: Which Tablet or Convertible computer would work best with a KX2 & KX 3 I have both & would like to run the thru a computer with various ham programs, do a lot of Field Radio operating thought this woud be handy plus other handy options that tablets have. Thanks in Advance 4 UR replys.72/73'sBob Kb9iva ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com From cautery at montac.com Mon Aug 29 21:37:44 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:37:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Meinberg concern. In-Reply-To: <20160830.005655.18818.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> References: <20160830.005655.18818.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <67c7736c-0757-a667-f5bd-11107b0d67fb@montac.com> NONE of the products listed in this alert have ANYTHING to do with the NTP Sever Monitor software client... Please don't spread unnecessary and invalid rumors... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/29/2016 7:56 PM, k3hx at juno.com wrote: > https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/advisories/ICSA-16-175-03 > ____________________________________________________________ > Fat Diminisher (Sponsored by Content.Ad) > 1 Method ''Ends'' Tinnitus (Try This Tonight) > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/57c4d9f3bf46f59f31a90st04duc > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Aug 29 22:49:17 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:49:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Bandwidth In-Reply-To: <7DA5A96E-ADBE-46BC-84C6-537F3964002B@gmail.com> References: <0143FB76-61D7-4BDE-8297-E93F59C5F0C4@me.com> <2028ac32-819e-5011-f6e6-b0f97e624409@embarqmail.com> <93f4e176-65e8-66a8-83df-d2c1f8ca9ed7@subich.com> <6199CA27-D120-4B59-88FC-7A43AAB0C0F5@gmail.com> <7DA5A96E-ADBE-46BC-84C6-537F3964002B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42da15c0-18ad-65b2-91b2-c836d226f75f@socal.rr.com> Until I started typing on a computer in 1983 (Radio Shack Model 100) I had great handwriting. Now just great handwringing :-) Phil W7OX On 8/29/16 5:08 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > Apparently, I can?t type either ? well, at least I can write in cursive with a fine degree of penmanship, which is more than I can say for my grandchildren :-) > > >> On Aug 29, 2016, at 8:03 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: >> >> My comment was related to TX bandwidth in AM, which was the point of Dos responst, not t ESSB. My mistake ? sometimes the brain does what you don?t want it to do. >> >> For the record ? >> >> >> Grant NQ5T From craig at thephotoman.com Mon Aug 29 22:53:27 2016 From: craig at thephotoman.com (Craig Smith) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:53:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS P3 w/ SVGA and TX Mon Board Message-ID: <57C4F527.80900@thephotoman.com> I am the original owner, non -smoker. Excellent condition with manual. $650 obo. Contact me at w6wl at arrl.net From vk2bj at optusnet.com.au Tue Aug 30 04:07:27 2016 From: vk2bj at optusnet.com.au (Barry Simpson) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 18:07:27 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPod stopped working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Randy >From your description, it sounds as though you are hooking up a USB cable (to something) as well as the cable to the K3 itself. The power for the Kpod comes through the data cable from the rig so extra power should not be needed. Have you updated your K3 to firmware version 5.50 or later ? Otherwise it will not work. Likewise you need to upgrade K3 Utility to 1.16.3.11 or later so you can program the K3 with macros. 73 Barry VK2BJ On 30 August 2016 at 05:03, Randy Lake wrote: > I just hooked up the Kpod and and get no response to any functions. I read > through the instructions again but am obviously missing something. The data > cable is firmly in place and power is from USB. > K3 Ver 5.50 > Any thoughts? > Randy N1KWF > > -- > Randy Lake N1KWF > 73 Gunn Rd. > Keene,NH > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk2bj at optusnet.com.au > From ldz at chopcat.co.uk Tue Aug 30 04:21:06 2016 From: ldz at chopcat.co.uk (=?utf-8?Q?2E=C3=98LDZ?=) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:21:06 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Kpod & LED 4 Message-ID: <334AC990-9BE3-4D0D-A5A4-A031CF7A6A90@chopcat.co.uk> Now I have got the Kpod programmed does anyone know how to programme LED 4 ? i would like to have it come on with my split macros. TC Trevor Clapp M6LDZ 2E0LDZ LDZ at chopcat.co.uk RADIO BLOG 07900 49 77 11 From craig at thephotoman.com Tue Aug 30 09:51:19 2016 From: craig at thephotoman.com (Craig Smith) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 06:51:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS : P3 Sold Message-ID: <57C58F57.4070903@thephotoman.com> Thank you for the response W6WL From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Aug 30 09:53:40 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 06:53:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPod stopped working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23a3ed04-4c82-df35-b855-8e2202d6ce9d@triconet.org> Not necessarily. On 8/30/2016 1:07 AM, Barry Simpson wrote: > > The power for the Kpod comes through the data cable from the rig so extra > power should not be needed. > From n0sa at att.net Tue Aug 30 10:03:46 2016 From: n0sa at att.net (Larry Naumann) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:03:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX3 Sidekick Endplates, Plastic cover and Think Tank Flash case Message-ID: I have a set of the Sidekick end plates with plastic cover and a Think Tank flash case that I no longer need. This all fits the KX3. Everything is in very good to like new condition. I got a KX2 so my KX3 is staying home. Asking $65.00 for the package and this includes shipping in CONUSA. PayPal preferred. Please contact OFF THIS LIST to; n0sa(at)att(dot)net Thanks Larry n0sa From wrmichael at hotmail.com Tue Aug 30 10:54:26 2016 From: wrmichael at hotmail.com (Wayne Michael) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 10:54:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: K3S Autotuner and Amp Message-ID: I am looking for both the ATU and the 100W AMP for the K3S. I will likely buy new in the next day or two but if someone has upgraded and wants to part with either I am in the market. Thanks, Wayne AC9HP From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Tue Aug 30 11:12:30 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 08:12:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3][PX3][KX2] PX3 to HDMI Large Screen (PX3HDMI); KX2 RX I/Q Output Message-ID: <1472569950047-7622035.post@n2.nabble.com> Uncle! I give up. No RX I/Q option board for the KX2. I'll stick with my trusted KX3 + PX3 for portable operation (backyard, picnic table at the park, camping, day hikes, Field Day, mini DX-peditions, travel, ...) and as my one and only one HF base station. I'll continue to hold out hope that Elecraft will develop an internal adapter (i.e., PX3HDMI) to connect a PX3 to a large screen through an HDMI interface. 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-PX3-KX2-PX3-to-HDMI-Large-Screen-PX3HDMI-KX2-RX-I-Q-Output-tp7622035.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n8um at comcast.net Tue Aug 30 11:18:15 2016 From: n8um at comcast.net (N8UM) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 11:18:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PR6-10 Receive Preamp For Sale Message-ID: <000001d202d1$bb867fa0$32937ee0$@comcast.net> PR6-10 6m and 10 meter Receive Preamplifier. New, unused in box. $140 and I pay for shipping CONUS. John B. N8UM Oak Ridge, Tennessee From indians at xsmail.com Tue Aug 30 11:50:16 2016 From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 08:50:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KAT500 Message-ID: <1472572216462-7622037.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, sorry to bother over here. Just I would like to ask if somewhere the KAT500 is sleeping on the shelf and getting dust (home where all antennas are properly tuned to resonance ;) then I am interesting in it please. I am looking for used KAT500 in order to complete my K3-line to be able to safely use my KPA500 into my crappy antennas... Thank you for any reasonable offers please. Best regards, 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WTB-KAT500-tp7622037.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mike at ve3yf.com Tue Aug 30 12:54:44 2016 From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 16:54:44 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Where is the K3s setup for JT65 info? Message-ID: <518ce2ed-1b1b-4818-b709-796454d223c4@getmailbird.com> Fred: You can find it under the articles on eHam. I think the homepage at the top. 73 De Mike VE3YF http://www.ve3yf.com [http://www.ve3yf.com/] From lightdazzled at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 13:04:44 2016 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 13:04:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 vs KX3 paddle In-Reply-To: <001001d20243$d30d6320$79282960$@biz> References: <001001d20243$d30d6320$79282960$@biz> Message-ID: Easy enough to file the long screw down to match the short screw in length. Still works fine. Chip AE5KA On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Yes. But there is no issue using the KXPD2 paddles on a KX3. And one can > order a second short screw for the KXPD3 so they can be used on either rig > as well. Order E700245 from Elecraft. > > The long(er) screw does nothing for the installation on a KX3 either, so > there's no reason to have it. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rose > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 3:12 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 vs KX3 paddle > > I -think- there's an issue with the one of the screws for the KX3's paddle > being too long with danger of it damaging a board if it's used on a KX2. > > 73! > > K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com > From k9yeq at live.com Tue Aug 30 13:34:40 2016 From: k9yeq at live.com (k9yeq at live.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 17:34:40 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 vs KX3 paddle In-Reply-To: References: <001001d20243$d30d6320$79282960$@biz> Message-ID: Chip, you did well but others might not. If you damage the initial threads and cross thread you could make a big mess. Have a great day! Bill J K9YEQ On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:08 PM -0500, "Chip Stratton" wrote: Easy enough to file the long screw down to match the short screw in length. Still works fine. Chip AE5KA On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Yes. But there is no issue using the KXPD2 paddles on a KX3. And one can > order a second short screw for the KXPD3 so they can be used on either rig > as well. Order E700245 from Elecraft. > > The long(er) screw does nothing for the installation on a KX3 either, so > there's no reason to have it. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rose > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 3:12 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 vs KX3 paddle > > I -think- there's an issue with the one of the screws for the KX3's paddle > being too long with danger of it damaging a board if it's used on a KX2. > > 73! > > K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Aug 30 13:34:49 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 10:34:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Tablet 4KX@ & KX3 In-Reply-To: <1064598125.1829410.1472512087705@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1064598125.1829410.1472512087705.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1064598125.1829410.1472512087705@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2ab8096c-0e39-1378-5618-782cda25ec93@triconet.org> This could be a long shot for you but I was shopping my local thrift store, where I've picked up a couple of very nice computers for good prices, when I happened upon a Motion tablet. For its screen size (10") it's a little large and heavy but it's very rugged. Not a backpacking deal, but for portable it would be fine. The best thing about it is that it has an Intel i5 processor, a real USB port and runs Windows. Mine was originally Win 7 according to the sticker, but the thrift store seems to put Win 10 on everything they sell. I haven't tried it on the K3s but it runs my spare SDR-IQ with SpectraVue just fine. My main purpose was to make a "field" DG8SAQ vector network analyzer for antenna work. Since the software uses right clicking for some functions I have to resort to a stylus that has this function. Otherwise, it's FB. It also has GPS, WiFi and Bluetooth. On 8/29/2016 4:08 PM, Robert Reiman wrote: > Which Tablet or Convertible computer would work best with a KX2 & KX 3 I have both & would like to run the thru a computer with various ham programs, do a lot of Field Radio operating thought this woud be handy plus other handy options that tablets have. Thanks in Advance 4 UR replys.72/73'sBob Kb9iva > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Aug 30 13:42:04 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 10:42:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Tablet 4KX@ & KX3 In-Reply-To: <2ab8096c-0e39-1378-5618-782cda25ec93@triconet.org> References: <1064598125.1829410.1472512087705.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1064598125.1829410.1472512087705@mail.yahoo.com> <2ab8096c-0e39-1378-5618-782cda25ec93@triconet.org> Message-ID: Or you could get a radio with a built-in tablet :-) http://qrznow.com/expert-sun-mb1-sdr-transceiver-160m-2m-video/ On 8/30/2016 10:34 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > This could be a long shot for you but I was shopping my local thrift store, > where I've picked up a couple of very nice computers for good prices, when I > happened upon a Motion tablet. For its screen size (10") it's a little large > and heavy but it's very rugged. Not a backpacking deal, but for portable it > would be fine. The best thing about it is that it has an Intel i5 processor, > a real USB port and runs Windows. Mine was originally Win 7 according to the > sticker, but the thrift store seems to put Win 10 on everything they sell. > > I haven't tried it on the K3s but it runs my spare SDR-IQ with SpectraVue just > fine. My main purpose was to make a "field" DG8SAQ vector network analyzer > for antenna work. Since the software uses right clicking for some functions I > have to resort to a stylus that has this function. Otherwise, it's FB. > > It also has GPS, WiFi and Bluetooth. From k5atg.aaron at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 13:45:20 2016 From: k5atg.aaron at gmail.com (Aaron K5ATG) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 12:45:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Locked up Message-ID: I was running PSK on my K2 and my cat got up on my desk and started moving the VFO knob off frequency. So I decided to put on Lock and pushed the button until it told me that it was locked, everything was normal. Then I tried to unlock it and it would not work. I turned it off and restarted it and everything is still locked. I unplugged it and again it is still locked. The decimal point is not flashing. I looked in the K2 Manual and could not find a place where I could resolve the problem. Does anyone have any ideas? Thank you Aaron K5ATG From k2av.guy at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 13:58:09 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 13:58:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Locked up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Aaron. Does a tap on the Rate button change the tuning rate, e.g do the two digits right of the decimal point on the display disappear and reappear with successive taps to Rate? If the tap on the button doesn't change the display, it would be a mechanical or electrical issue with the button or its connections. If the tap DOES change the display, then the button is working and CPU behavior is at issue. 73, Guy K2AV On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Aaron K5ATG wrote: > I was running PSK on my K2 and my cat got up on my desk and started moving > the VFO knob off frequency. So I decided to put on Lock and pushed the > button until it told me that it was locked, everything was normal. Then I > tried to unlock it and it would not work. I turned it off and restarted it > and everything is still locked. I unplugged it and again it is still > locked. The decimal point is not flashing. I looked in the K2 Manual and > could not find a place where I could resolve the problem. Does anyone have > any ideas? > Thank you > Aaron K5ATG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Tue Aug 30 14:21:20 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 14:21:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPod stopped working In-Reply-To: <23a3ed04-4c82-df35-b855-8e2202d6ce9d@triconet.org> References: <23a3ed04-4c82-df35-b855-8e2202d6ce9d@triconet.org> Message-ID: <6f20fdac-d4ba-6fb1-abe1-d574f305baf6@nycap.rr.com> I run mine from my 12 volt distribution panel - not from the USB. Has worked flawlessly since day one. Bill W2BLC K-Line From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 30 14:55:47 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 14:55:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Locked up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3ce7c5d8-a650-9577-bbc8-49e39c325cbd@embarqmail.com> Aaron, It may be that it is not locked, but that the VFO encoder is not working because the encoder board is contacting something on the back of the Control Board. Remove the top cover, then remove the 2 screws fastening the Control Board to the Front Panel. Tilt the top of the Control Board toward the rear of the K2 and see if it starts working. If that fixes it, put a piece of plastic or card stock cardboard behind the Control Board in the area of the encoder board and then put the 2 screws back in. Check to be certain it works with the screws snugged before replacing the top cover. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/30/2016 1:45 PM, Aaron K5ATG wrote: > I was running PSK on my K2 and my cat got up on my desk and started moving > the VFO knob off frequency. So I decided to put on Lock and pushed the > button until it told me that it was locked, everything was normal. Then I > tried to unlock it and it would not work. I turned it off and restarted it > and everything is still locked. I unplugged it and again it is still > locked. The decimal point is not flashing. I looked in the K2 Manual and > could not find a place where I could resolve the problem. From w0sz at comcast.net Tue Aug 30 17:25:13 2016 From: w0sz at comcast.net (w0sz) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 15:25:13 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and Acom 2000a Message-ID: <0A8D6E58-32ED-4321-8DF5-C7D47FB04F91@comcast.net> I've read the archives and see Joe Subich's, W4TV, recommendations. Using the E980297 cable from the K3s to the P3 and then a y cable from the P3 to connect with computer and CAT control to the Acom 2000a RCU. Anyone else have any experience doing it differently? 73 From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Aug 30 17:33:11 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 13:33:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Help finding RAM mount Message-ID: <201608302133.u7ULXCR2009299@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Been unsuccessful finding the mobile clamp shown in Fig.1, page 5 of the "Guide to KX3 Mobile Installation"* found on the Elecraft website. I've searched all over the RAM website and it is not found. Could someone provide me the web link to that product? I've cc Matt, as well. *Matt Zilmer - W6NIA 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From john at kk9a.com Tue Aug 30 21:04:07 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 01:04:07 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and Acom 2000a Message-ID: <005701d20323$93d95c00$bb8c1400$@com> Last year I used an Acom 2000A with my K3S and I only connected the relay cable and coax to the amp. The amplifier sensed and adjusted itself so quickly when transmitting that I question what benefit there is to using the complicated Y cable/computer CAT hookup. John KK9A From: w0sz Tue Aug 30 17:25:13 EDT 2016 I've read the archives and see Joe Subich's, W4TV, recommendations. Using the E980297 cable from the K3s to the P3 and then a y cable from the P3 to connect with computer and CAT control to the Acom 2000a RCU. Anyone else have any experience doing it differently? 73 From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com Tue Aug 30 23:13:23 2016 From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO)) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 20:13:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX-Nob Message-ID: <1472613203645-7622050.post@n2.nabble.com> I wanted to share my latest project ... http://wickedstone.com/KF5WBO/KX-Nob%20Datasheet.pdf 73's Joe Stone KF5WBO -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX-Nob-tp7622050.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Aug 30 23:35:34 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 20:35:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX-Nob In-Reply-To: <1472613203645-7622050.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1472613203645-7622050.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3bfeddf1-3ffb-848c-62a3-15faa8794072@socal.rr.com> Pretty neat, Joe :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 8/30/16 8:13 PM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote: > I wanted to share my latest project ... > > http://wickedstone.com/KF5WBO/KX-Nob%20Datasheet.pdf > > 73's > > Joe Stone > KF5WBO From enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 03:43:07 2016 From: enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com (Enzo Adrian-Reyes) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 17:43:07 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] RX IQ USB Noise Message-ID: HI all Me again, I have a problem with my setup and trying to work out what is wrong. I have a handy video, which shows my problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZPYUVpqefI I hope somebody knows how to fix this, I've tried different USB hubs, different laptops even. I havent tried a different sound card though but then again I don't want to keep throwing money at a problem unless there is a less expensive way to fix this. Regards VK3FRAD From andrew at ahebden.com Wed Aug 31 04:58:49 2016 From: andrew at ahebden.com (Andrew Hebden) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 09:58:49 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] RX IQ USB Noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003301d20365$e484e2e0$ad8ea8a0$@ahebden.com> Hi, This sounds like a 'hum loop' problem, the scourge of audio enthusiasts. In effect there are two earth connections between the KX3 and PC and it forms a small loop aerial where by it picks up mains interference. You could try running the cables from the KX3 to the PC very close together. It doesn't affect most people but I did get this problem a bit ago, but not with my KX3. The solution for me was to fit two small audio isolation transformers (one for each channel) in the IQ line, fitted in a small project box, and the problem went away. This has long been the recommended procedure for most audio lines between a PC and a rig. Hope this helps. Andrew G8BYB -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Enzo Adrian-Reyes Sent: 31 August 2016 08:43 To: Elecraft List Subject: [Elecraft] RX IQ USB Noise HI all Me again, I have a problem with my setup and trying to work out what is wrong. I have a handy video, which shows my problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZPYUVpqefI I hope somebody knows how to fix this, I've tried different USB hubs, different laptops even. I havent tried a different sound card though but then again I don't want to keep throwing money at a problem unless there is a less expensive way to fix this. Regards VK3FRAD ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to andrew at ahebden.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kh at kh-translation.dk Wed Aug 31 10:50:38 2016 From: kh at kh-translation.dk (Kjeld Holm) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:50:38 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and Acom 2000a In-Reply-To: <005701d20323$93d95c00$bb8c1400$@com> References: <005701d20323$93d95c00$bb8c1400$@com> Message-ID: <003101d20397$09d6c1e0$1d8445a0$@kh-translation.dk> Agree. I have done the same for some five years. And even if you have the Acom antenna switch and selector you just send one or two dits and you are on the air at the right antenna. Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com Sent: 31. august 2016 03:04 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and Acom 2000a Last year I used an Acom 2000A with my K3S and I only connected the relay cable and coax to the amp. The amplifier sensed and adjusted itself so quickly when transmitting that I question what benefit there is to using the complicated Y cable/computer CAT hookup. John KK9A ______________________________________________________________ From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Aug 31 13:06:07 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 10:06:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RX IQ USB Noise In-Reply-To: <003301d20365$e484e2e0$ad8ea8a0$@ahebden.com> References: <003301d20365$e484e2e0$ad8ea8a0$@ahebden.com> Message-ID: Loop is absolutely the wrong way to view this problem, and transformers are NOT the easiest or cheapest solution. The solution is 1) proper chassis-to-chassis BONDING between all of the equipment being interconnected and 2) get power for all of the interconnected equipment from the same mains outlet, or from outlets that share the same "green wire" (what is called the "protective earth" in Europe). 73, Jim K9YC . On Wed,8/31/2016 1:58 AM, Andrew Hebden wrote: > This sounds like a 'hum loop' problem, the scourge of audio enthusiasts. > In effect there are two earth connections between the KX3 and PC and it > forms a small loop aerial where by it picks up mains interference. You could > try running the cables from the KX3 to the PC very close together. > It doesn't affect most people but I did get this problem a bit ago, but not > with my KX3. The solution for me was to fit two small audio isolation > transformers (one for each channel) in the IQ line, fitted in a small > project box, and the problem went away. This has long been the recommended > procedure for most audio lines between a PC and a rig. From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Aug 31 13:39:16 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 09:39:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Help finding RAM mount Message-ID: <201608311741.u7VHfLno016410@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Thanks to John and also Jim Rhodes, George-AI4VZ, Jeff-K2SDR who all sent the same model number. I called RAM this morning to check on dimensions that the mount accepted; max is 3.5 inches by 1.6 inch depth which will accommodate the KX3 if you do not have an add-on heat sink like I have (adds 3/4-inch to height for 4-1/4 inch total height). The end fingers are not used as the KX3 is too long for the mount. I decided to order the mount even though my radio is too tall as I can probably modify it by making a larger base plate. $21.99 for the mount. I also ordered the RAM-B-101U-A double ball mount (arm) that has the std 2.5 inch hole pads on each end. Its 3-3/4 inch long. cost $24.99. RAM total with shipping $76.77 (they only ship Fedex) I also ordered from Proclipsa, their model 213493 angled dash mount plate for my Ford F250 truck. It has the standard mounting pad that RAM uses. cost $55.49 with shipping So my total with shipping is $132.26 I will make some pictures when I have my KX3 mounted in the truck; also pictures of other radios and KXPA-100. thanks for all the help, 73, Ed - KL7UW -------------- I'm thinking this RAM holder could be the one you are looking for:? RAM-HOL-UN4U. This is their Universal mount and the finger clips appear to be very similar. Here is the URL:? http://www.rammount.com/part/RAM-HOL-UN4U#Specs-Features ? See what you think. ? :-) This one looks good to me and I may order one myself after I verify the dimensions of the KX3 and holder.? I was thinking of fitting it to a cup holder mount, but I'll look at all the options in the article. ? Thanks for getting my attention! ? :-) 73 john K5JS 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 15:23:24 2016 From: enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com (Enzo Adrian-Reyes) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 05:23:24 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] RX IQ USB Noise In-Reply-To: References: <003301d20365$e484e2e0$ad8ea8a0$@ahebden.com> Message-ID: This would be hard but I can see how that could happen. The KX3 and the laptop use 2 prong connectors and this still happens, the macbook pro has a grounded power plug but this still happens. The stupid thing is they all share the same power board, so in theory they should all be sharing the same green wire. However The KX3 chassis is connected to a ground system independent than the electrical ground, the same way I thought hams connected their radio equipment to ground (through a ground rod). The problem I have is that I live near KVA power lines, and they induce a current on the shield of the coax, which if I dont ground the KX3 causes electrical build it which I can sense with my finger. So given what you have said the ground of the KX3 chassis is connected to the ground system for the radio, and this is causing the loop. However this means I cannot do what you suggest, as the ground in all the plugged elements is already connected to the green wire, except the KX3 whose power supply is a double isolated, except the chassis which is connected to the radio ground. I do not know how to solve this, my only work around for this would be to try to isolate the incoming current with arrestors at the entrance of the shack, but that might not get rid of this current. Regards On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 3:06 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > Loop is absolutely the wrong way to view this problem, and transformers > are NOT the easiest or cheapest solution. > > The solution is 1) proper chassis-to-chassis BONDING between all of the > equipment being interconnected and 2) get power for all of the > interconnected equipment from the same mains outlet, or from outlets that > share the same "green wire" (what is called the "protective earth" in > Europe). > > 73, Jim K9YC > > . On Wed,8/31/2016 1:58 AM, Andrew Hebden wrote: > >> This sounds like a 'hum loop' problem, the scourge of audio enthusiasts. >> In effect there are two earth connections between the KX3 and PC and it >> forms a small loop aerial where by it picks up mains interference. You >> could >> try running the cables from the KX3 to the PC very close together. >> It doesn't affect most people but I did get this problem a bit ago, but >> not >> with my KX3. The solution for me was to fit two small audio isolation >> transformers (one for each channel) in the IQ line, fitted in a small >> project box, and the problem went away. This has long been the recommended >> procedure for most audio lines between a PC and a rig. >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to enzo.adrianreyes at gmail.com > From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Wed Aug 31 15:58:48 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 12:58:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Help finding RAM mount In-Reply-To: <201608302133.u7ULXCR2009299@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201608302133.u7ULXCR2009299@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <10ca8336-f280-a6e2-1431-c0b653be5042@roadrunner.com> It might be in its aftermarket phase now. Try: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/rmi-2573?seid=srese1&cm_mmc=pla-google-_-shopping-_-srese1-_-ram-mounts&gclid=Cj0KEQjwgJq-BRCFqcLW8_DU9agBEiQAz8Koh74TNypJwTh1hQlMVRIW0cR1DLZ3haDLuNgqYHO7jV0aAlIr8P8HAQ It's the same mount featured in the KX3 Mobile Installation Guide, Fig. 1. 73! matt, W6NIA = On 8/30/2016 2:33 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Been unsuccessful finding the mobile clamp shown in Fig.1, page 5 of > the "Guide to KX3 Mobile Installation"* found on the Elecraft website. > I've searched all over the RAM website and it is not found. Could > someone provide me the web link to that product? I've cc Matt, as well. > > *Matt Zilmer - W6NIA > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein Matt Zilmer, W6NIA [Shiraz] From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Aug 31 17:29:52 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 14:29:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 beta firmware release adds AM mode TX/RX Message-ID: <214763CD-B5D8-480A-ACAF-D97CFFE153F2@elecraft.com> Hi all, KX2 beta firmware rev. 2.68 is now available. This revision adds AM mode transmit and receive. Please see our KX2 software page: http://www.elecraft.com/KX2/kx2_software.htm 73, Wayne N6KR From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 31 19:10:35 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 19:10:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RX IQ USB Noise In-Reply-To: References: <003301d20365$e484e2e0$ad8ea8a0$@ahebden.com> Message-ID: You are concentrating on the "green-wire ground". Instead concentrate on running a heavy wire or braid in parallel with your audio cables - it works. It may be difficult to get a chassis ground on the laptop but look for a jackscrew on one of the D-shell connectors. Worst case, run a wire around the shell of one of the audio cables at the laptop end and connect the bonding wire to that. What that bonding accomplishes is two things - it places the connected pieces of equipment at the same chassis potential, and secondly it provides a path for hum, buzz and noise from the chassis of one piece of equipment to the other. Consider that in most electronic gear, the connectors are "grounded" to the PC board(s) inside. Any hum, buzz and noise that is picked up by the shield of the connecting cables will be conducted onto the ground plane of the PC boards. The bonding wire conducts much of that garbage onto the outside outside of the equipment enclosure where it will be isolated from the working electronics. As far as the ground rod goes, I trust you have that ground rod connected (outside) to the utility entry ground rod with heavy wire - #6 but #4 is preferred. That is required not only to meet NEC requirements, but also for your personal safety. That ground is for AC mains and lightning safety - it is not a sink for hum, buzz and RF. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/31/2016 3:23 PM, Enzo Adrian-Reyes wrote: > This would be hard but I can see how that could happen. > The KX3 and the laptop use 2 prong connectors and this still happens, the > macbook pro has a grounded power plug > but this still happens. > > The stupid thing is they all share the same power board, so in theory they > should all be sharing the same green wire. > > However > > The KX3 chassis is connected to a ground system independent than the > electrical ground, the same way I thought hams connected their radio > equipment to ground (through a ground rod). The problem I have is that I > live near KVA power lines, and they induce a current on the shield of the > coax, which if I dont ground the KX3 causes electrical build it which I can > sense with my finger. > > So given what you have said the ground of the KX3 chassis is connected to > the ground system for the radio, and this is causing the loop. > However this means I cannot do what you suggest, as the ground in all the > plugged elements is already connected to the green wire, except the KX3 > whose power supply is a double isolated, except the chassis which is > connected to the radio ground. > > I do not know how to solve this, my only work around for this would be to > try to isolate the incoming current with arrestors at the entrance of the > shack, but that might not get rid of this current. > > Regards > > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 3:06 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> Loop is absolutely the wrong way to view this problem, and transformers >> are NOT the easiest or cheapest solution. >> >> The solution is 1) proper chassis-to-chassis BONDING between all of the >> equipment being interconnected and 2) get power for all of the >> interconnected equipment from the same mains outlet, or from outlets that >> share the same "green wire" (what is called the "protective earth" in >> Europe). >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> From w2lj at verizon.net Wed Aug 31 20:22:56 2016 From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry W2LJ) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 20:22:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Skeeter Hunt Log Summary reminder Message-ID: <73c1765479f8e84e8698245169e16dd3@192.168.1.7> Just as reminder that Skeeter Hunt log summaries (and soapbox comments) are due no later than 11:59:59 PM this coming Sunday evening. So far we have received 67 log summaries. The roster is marked to show whose logs have been received: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KJWpvDDBZibCMqna_qGXF3Ayg8KdEw5f1N8K6ByGMe4/edit#gid=880964485 Make sure to get yous in ........ soon! Send them to w2lj at arrl.net 73 de Larry W2LJ NJQRP Skeeter Hunt Manager - Skeeter # 13 From n6cl at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 31 21:05:00 2016 From: n6cl at sbcglobal.net (Joe Lynch) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 01:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 beta firmware release adds AM mode TX/RX In-Reply-To: <214763CD-B5D8-480A-ACAF-D97CFFE153F2@elecraft.com> References: <214763CD-B5D8-480A-ACAF-D97CFFE153F2@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <47923631.2951288.1472691900238@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you, Wayne, for adding a cool feature to an already great radio. 73, Joe Lynch, N6CL On Wednesday, August 31, 2016 5:31 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Hi all, KX2 beta firmware rev. 2.68 is now available. This revision adds AM mode transmit and receive. Please see our KX2 software page: ? ? http://www.elecraft.com/KX2/kx2_software.htm 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n6cl at sbcglobal.net From cautery at montac.com Wed Aug 31 22:05:51 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 21:05:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RX IQ USB Noise In-Reply-To: References: <003301d20365$e484e2e0$ad8ea8a0$@ahebden.com> Message-ID: You are NOT grasping the problem or the suggested solution. Please do yourself a favor and go read K9YC's white papers on bonding/grounding, noise reduction, EMI/RFI reduction, etc.... Just do it... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 8/31/2016 2:23 PM, Enzo Adrian-Reyes wrote: > This would be hard but I can see how that could happen. > The KX3 and the laptop use 2 prong connectors and this still happens, the > macbook pro has a grounded power plug > but this still happens. > > The stupid thing is they all share the same power board, so in theory they > should all be sharing the same green wire. > > However > > The KX3 chassis is connected to a ground system independent than the > electrical ground, the same way I thought hams connected their radio > equipment to ground (through a ground rod). The problem I have is that I > live near KVA power lines, and they induce a current on the shield of the > coax, which if I dont ground the KX3 causes electrical build it which I can > sense with my finger. > > So given what you have said the ground of the KX3 chassis is connected to > the ground system for the radio, and this is causing the loop. > However this means I cannot do what you suggest, as the ground in all the > plugged elements is already connected to the green wire, except the KX3 > whose power supply is a double isolated, except the chassis which is > connected to the radio ground. > > I do not know how to solve this, my only work around for this would be to > try to isolate the incoming current with arrestors at the entrance of the > shack, but that might not get rid of this current. > > Regards > > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 3:06 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> Loop is absolutely the wrong way to view this problem, and transformers >> are NOT the easiest or cheapest solution. >> >> The solution is 1) proper chassis-to-chassis BONDING between all of the >> equipment being interconnected and 2) get power for all of the >> interconnected equipment from the same mains outlet, or from outlets that >> share the same "green wire" (what is called the "protective earth" in >> Europe). >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> From pincon at erols.com Wed Aug 31 22:53:37 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 22:53:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 beta firmware release adds AM mode TX/RX In-Reply-To: <47923631.2951288.1472691900238@mail.yahoo.com> References: <214763CD-B5D8-480A-ACAF-D97CFFE153F2@elecraft.com> <47923631.2951288.1472691900238@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012c01d203fc$0d44cba0$27ce62e0$@erols.com> I'll wait for the official release. Thanks for that added feature. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Lynch Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:05 PM To: Wayne Burdick Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New KX2 beta firmware release adds AM mode TX/RX Thank you, Wayne, for adding a cool feature to an already great radio. 73, Joe Lynch, N6CL On Wednesday, August 31, 2016 5:31 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Hi all, KX2 beta firmware rev. 2.68 is now available. This revision adds AM mode transmit and receive. Please see our KX2 software page: http://www.elecraft.com/KX2/kx2_software.htm 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n6cl at sbcglobal.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com