From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Apr 1 01:09:59 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 22:09:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" In-Reply-To: <2002603447.529958.1459458836242.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2002603447.529958.1459458836242.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56FE02A7.5070507@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,3/31/2016 2:13 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > While I never tune while driving, I got rid of the autotuners for the HI-Q 5-160 antenna and installed a switch to allow me to transfer the antenna to a FG-01 analyzer. Short loaded antennas are, by their nature, pretty narrow band for tuning. When I still ran HF mobile, I found that a rig with an auto-tuner was a big help in extending the useful bandwidth of an antenna. If, for example, the antenna was resonant on 7075, a tuner might match it to the rig from 7000 to 7150 or even higher, whereas without the tuner I'd be limited to about half that. Bearing in mind that in a mobile installation, coax is too short to introduce enough loss to matter, so it's merely a matter of making the rig's output stage happy (and running at full output). 73, Jim K9YC From tnnyswy at yahoo.com Fri Apr 1 07:57:28 2016 From: tnnyswy at yahoo.com (tnnyswy at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 11:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" In-Reply-To: <56FE02A7.5070507@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <56FE02A7.5070507@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <939195115.980583.1459511848754.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> >> When I still ran HF mobile, I found that a rig with an auto-tuner was a big help in extending the useful bandwidth of an antenna.< To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" On Thu,3/31/2016 2:13 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > While I never tune while driving, I got rid of the autotuners for the HI-Q 5-160 antenna and installed a switch to allow me to transfer the antenna to a FG-01 analyzer. Short loaded antennas are, by their nature, pretty narrow band for tuning. When I still ran HF mobile, I found that a rig with an auto-tuner was a big help in extending the useful bandwidth of an antenna. If, for example, the antenna was resonant on 7075, a tuner might match it to the rig from 7000 to 7150 or even higher, whereas without the tuner I'd be limited to about half that. Bearing in mind that in a mobile installation, coax is too short to introduce enough loss to matter, so it's merely a matter of making the rig's output stage happy (and running at full output). 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From thelastdb at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 08:51:49 2016 From: thelastdb at gmail.com (Myron Schaffer) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 06:51:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" In-Reply-To: <56FE02A7.5070507@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <2002603447.529958.1459458836242.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56FE02A7.5070507@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: All, The coax length doesn't matter because of the following reasons. Assuming the tuner is at the rig, there is a run of any coax to the antenna feed point, and you have a fairly high Q low band antenna that can't QSY much. With short HF mobile antennas that are high Q the reactance at the feed point when you QSY beyond 3:1 or so makes the system very lossy regardless of how low a loss or how short of coax is in there. The power accepted by the antenna under these conditions goes down the further you QSY due to the large reactance leaving the dissipated power to be burned up in the coax (and some in the imperfect antenna tuner at the rig) no matter how low loss it is or how short it is. You cannot increase the power accepted by the antenna unless you bring the feed point back closer to 50-ohms somehow through external loading of the antenna. (Even then there are other loss factors to consider such as ground loss and radiation resistance). It's kind of like a "tug of war" between two Qs. The antenna Q and the tuner Q with the coax in the middle accepting all the power. 73/72, Myron WV?H Printed on Recycled Data > On Mar 31, 2016, at 11:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > Bearing in mind that in a mobile installation, coax is too short to introduce enough loss to matter, so it's merely a matter of making the rig's output stage happy (and running at full output). From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Fri Apr 1 10:41:08 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 07:41:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 thermistor board check Message-ID: <1459521668526-7615784.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, Is there a procedure where I could check the K2 thermistor board for proper operation once soldered in? I just passed that step in my second K2 build, and I'm uncertain about one of the pins - it rocked out of place while I was soldering it to the RF board, but of course it's now soldered in. It's not just in there but it's IN THERE hi hi and I'd like to check it before tearing it up trying to pull it out of the board. Visual inspection still shows the makeshift pin in place, but I'd just like to do some kind of measurement or continuity at the RP3 location just to be sure. Thanks es 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-thermistor-board-check-tp7615784.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From W1RM at Comcast.net Fri Apr 1 10:43:57 2016 From: W1RM at Comcast.net (Peter Chamalian) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 10:43:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Incredible Receiver Message-ID: <001001d18c24$ec3b8510$c4b28f30$@Comcast.net> Well the K3 is just amazing me once again. Without the benefit of anything special for antennas I have managed to hear and work VK0EK 160-10. As the saying goes, you can't work 'em if you can't hear them. The toughest was 160 (a hold your breath and focus) but there it was in the log! Ditto this morning on 10 although they were louder but lots of QSB. Thanks again Elecraft for a truly great radio! Pete, W1RM From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Fri Apr 1 10:45:00 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 07:45:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 thermistor board check In-Reply-To: <1459521668526-7615784.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1459521668526-7615784.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1459521900969-7615785.post@n2.nabble.com> PS: I've looked at the schematic but I've gone as far as putting the varactor diodes in, so I'm unsure if there's enough circuitry installed to mess up just going by the schematic for it... Help Me, Obiwan! Tnx es 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-thermistor-board-check-tp7615784p7615785.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Fri Apr 1 11:02:05 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 08:02:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Incredible Receiver In-Reply-To: <001001d18c24$ec3b8510$c4b28f30$@Comcast.net> References: <001001d18c24$ec3b8510$c4b28f30$@Comcast.net> Message-ID: <1459522925197-7615787.post@n2.nabble.com> Yep, I was going to sell my K3 to help pay for my K3S, but after putting the new synthesizer upgrade in it, it seems to refuse to go up for sale hi hi. Now I need to come up with a Ponzi scheme of some kind so I can keep both rigs..... The only thing better than a K3 + new synth that you can buy now is a K3S and at that I can hardly tell the difference between mine. As for VK0EK, I'm going to have to pull out all the stops to try to work them on any band. The K3/10 plus Buddipole is all I got, but I do have several mountain tops in the area reachable by 4WD vehicle. 10,000 feet above sea level will hopefully do the trick... 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Incredible-Receiver-tp7615786p7615787.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7aqk at cox.net Fri Apr 1 11:26:00 2016 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 08:26:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Decoding high speed CW Message-ID: <729480F1403E44FAA6B67C7E534C21F1@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> Hi All, I think all the FCC code exams were plain text, not code groups--at least to my memory going back to the 50's. The reason may be obvious, in that the examiner had to check them "on the spot", and code groups would have been too difficult to check. I took the Extra Class exam in front of an FCC examiner, and I know that was plain text. I think those guys had the test material memorized, because they were checking them off pretty fast! On my test I bracketed a big section I knew was right, and showed it to the examiner. He looked at it for about 3 seconds, and said, "Yeah, you passed"! In the Army, all we used were 5 letter code groups, and those were a bearcat to check! I had that job for a while, and hated it! Sometimes the hardest part was even deciphering what had been written down. Unfortunately, penmanship was never part of the curricula! Dave W7AQK From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Apr 1 11:07:35 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 11:07:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 thermistor board check In-Reply-To: <1459521668526-7615784.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1459521668526-7615784.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <56FE8EB7.4050602@embarqmail.com> LS, The most common problem with the thermistor board is a solder bridge on that board. One quick check is the voltage at U6 pin 5 which should be 1/2 of the 8 volt supply. Another check is to see if the voltage at U6 pin 1 is twice the voltage at pin 3. Those voltages will change as the VFO is changed over a 10kHz range, so check with several positions of the VFO. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/1/2016 10:41 AM, lstavenhagen wrote: > Hi all, > Is there a procedure where I could check the K2 thermistor board for proper > operation once soldered in? I just passed that step in my second K2 build, > and I'm uncertain about one of the pins - it rocked out of place while I was > soldering it to the RF board, but of course it's now soldered in. It's not > just in there but it's IN THERE hi hi and I'd like to check it before > tearing it up trying to pull it out of the board. > > From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Fri Apr 1 11:39:55 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 08:39:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 thermistor board check In-Reply-To: <56FE8EB7.4050602@embarqmail.com> References: <1459521668526-7615784.post@n2.nabble.com> <56FE8EB7.4050602@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1459525195995-7615790.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Don, Ok, thanks for the info. Would a resistance check according to the schematic be reliable at this point (just finished the varactor diode installation steps)? I dont know if I want to try to power anything up in the half built state lol. I'm pretty confident in the daughter board since I checked it over after flush cutting it, etc. One of the pins got hot enough to melt the solder on the daughter board itself while I was soldering it to the RF board (my fault for holding heat onto the pad at RP3 too long) and it rocked out of place a bit before I repositioned it. It looks ok and I dont know if I dare try to get my soldering iron in there to try to "touch it up". So I'd just like to do a continuity check on that pin. And maybe the whole board while I'm at it? Thanks kind sir, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-thermistor-board-check-tp7615784p7615790.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mikefurrey at att.net Fri Apr 1 10:47:06 2016 From: mikefurrey at att.net (Mike Furrey) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" References: <1186932396.1058462.1459522026352.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1186932396.1058462.1459522026352.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I use the HiQ 4-80 with a 2' mast extender mounted on the back bumper of a F150. At the base of the antenna I have a hb box of six relays to switch in the appropriate capacitors to match the feed point impeadance and I use the Ameritron SDC-102 memory controller that does a good job of going to the saved locations but I usually have to give it a "bump" or two on 60, 80, or 160 (with aux coil I can add if I have to get on that band). As this system is "almost" seamless, and as someone else mentioned. I still stop to change bands to keep it safe. The old ARRL mobile manual is still pretty good read on this subject. 73 es GL Mike WA5POK On Thu, 3/31/16, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" To: "Mel Farrer" , "Bill Frantz" , "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Date: Thursday, March 31, 2016, 10:44 PM Interesting comments Mel. ?I have purchased ?a Little Tarheel and installed it on my vehicle, but I have not got around to doing anything with it. ?I have a MFJ tuner that looks like it will work as well as the one you use. ?Are you using a Coax switch? ?I would be interested in your pictures if you have them on line. ?I also have a MFJ tuner that I have not installed as yet, but it looks like if you installed the tuner so that it is in line with the anslyzer or the rig when you have a coax switch installed you could use auto tune and then see what you have as well.?Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, ? ? ? From: Mel Farrer via Elecraft ? To: Bill Frantz ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" ? Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 4:13 PM ? Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" ??? While I never tune while driving, I got rid of the autotuners for the HI-Q 5-160 antenna and installed a switch to allow me to transfer the antenna to a FG-01 analyzer.? So when I need to move frequency, I pull over stop, switch to the analyzer and tune the antenna.? Simple and fool proof.? Legal too.? Pictures on file. Mel, K6KBE ? ? ? From: Bill Frantz ? To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net ? Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 1:27 PM ? Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" ? I have a Little Tarheel screwdriver antenna on the 4Runner. It works well on 21MHz and higher, and less well as you go down in frequency. When parked, I try to add an external counterpose clipped to the ground side of the antenna mount, which seems to help on 40M. I really think you want your counterpose to be on the order of 1/4 wave long, and the 4Runner isn't 10 meters long. I do remember doing search and pounce in the California QSO party on 80M. As I tuned up the band and found a new station, I had to re-turn the antenna, which I did while giving my call. Everyone who answered said something along the line of, "You're down in the noise, but we'll make it work." I thank them. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz? ? ? ? | I don't have high-speed? ? ? | Periwinkle (408)356-8506? ? ? | internet. I have DSL.? ? ? ? | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | Los Gatos, CA 95032 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrcooke at yahoo.com ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mikefurrey at att.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Apr 1 11:54:50 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 08:54:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" In-Reply-To: <939195115.980583.1459511848754.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <56FE02A7.5070507@audiosystemsgroup.com> <939195115.980583.1459511848754.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56FE99CA.5040101@audiosystemsgroup.com> I used HamSticks. 73, Jim On Fri,4/1/2016 4:57 AM, tnnyswy at yahoo.com wrote: > >> When I still ran HF mobile, I found that a rig with an > auto-tuner was a big help in extending the useful bandwidth of an > antenna.<< > Jim, what type of antenna did you employed the auto-tuner? > Was it a screwdriver type antenna as in the HI-Q 5-160? > Or, was it an Hustler? > > ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS. > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Apr 1 11:57:48 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 11:57:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 thermistor board check In-Reply-To: <1459525195995-7615790.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1459521668526-7615784.post@n2.nabble.com> <56FE8EB7.4050602@embarqmail.com> <1459525195995-7615790.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <56FE9A7C.5090008@embarqmail.com> LS, You can do a resistance check from the schematic if you are willing to do all the series/parallel resisance calculations. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/1/2016 11:39 AM, lstavenhagen wrote: > Hi Don, > Ok, thanks for the info. Would a resistance check according to the schematic > be reliable at this point (just finished the varactor diode installation > steps)? I dont know if I want to try to power anything up in the half built > state lol. > > From ai6l at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 1 12:17:54 2016 From: ai6l at sbcglobal.net (Jerry T. Dowell) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 09:17:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Decoding high speed CW In-Reply-To: <1459367970240-7615760.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <31821028.1459367380734.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1459367970240-7615760.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <541B0F03E27A4FB5A72685BC7DFB4692@ownerdell> My Conditional Class code exam in 1954, administered by an Extra Class ham, was mixed code groups (5-letter as I recall) sent from an old Signal Corps manual at 15 wpm or so with a bug. I imagine that a few others who lived in the boondocks had similar experiences. The rules, of course, called for plain language text. Jerry AI6L -----Original Message----- From: lstavenhagen [mailto:lstavenhagen at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:00 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Decoding high speed CW Oops, my apologies: one of those was me, my excuse will have to be that it was in 1973 and I guess those memories are no longer what they used to be! I probably mixed that up with my code practice tapes, which definitely did have 4 letter code group parts.... 73, LS W5QD Mike Morrow-3 wrote >> Code groups were never part of ham exams at any speed. > > Exactly! Yet some report, even here in the past few days, that their ham > Morse exams were random character code groups. Thanks for information to > the contrary that can be neither doubted nor disputed! > > 73, > Mike / KK5F From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Fri Apr 1 12:05:57 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 09:05:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 thermistor board check In-Reply-To: <56FE9A7C.5090008@embarqmail.com> References: <1459521668526-7615784.post@n2.nabble.com> <56FE8EB7.4050602@embarqmail.com> <1459525195995-7615790.post@n2.nabble.com> <56FE9A7C.5090008@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1459526757475-7615794.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Don, No problem, in fact going through those calcs would probably do me some good. Part of why I'm building K2 #2 is to learn something along the way. Especially when I have a problem or question I stop building and start reading, and am having a great time lol. All kinds of things I didn't pay attention to during K2 #1 a few years ago. It occurred to me also that I could just do a continuity check with my DMM directly at the board, from the pin I'm worried about (pin #6) to some point at the board also. I'll get out the calculator! You all are why I only do Elecraft rigs now! thanks kind sir, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-thermistor-board-check-tp7615784p7615794.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mikefurrey at att.net Fri Apr 1 12:28:00 2016 From: mikefurrey at att.net (Mike Furrey) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 16:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" References: <928036953.1181178.1459528080336.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <928036953.1181178.1459528080336.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I have found Ham sticks work fine on 20 and up but I won't talk about what happen to a 75 meter ham stick we were tinkering with and forgot to turn off the mobile amp! -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/1/16, Jim Brown wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" To: "Reflector Elecraft" Date: Friday, April 1, 2016, 3:54 PM I used HamSticks. 73, Jim On Fri,4/1/2016 4:57 AM, tnnyswy at yahoo.com wrote: > >> When I still ran HF mobile, I found that a rig with an > auto-tuner was a big help in extending the useful bandwidth of an > antenna.<< > Jim, what type of antenna did you employed the auto-tuner? > Was it a screwdriver type antenna as in the HI-Q 5-160? > Or, was it an Hustler? > > ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mikefurrey at att.net From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Apr 1 12:33:01 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 09:33:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Incredible Receiver In-Reply-To: <001001d18c24$ec3b8510$c4b28f30$@Comcast.net> References: <001001d18c24$ec3b8510$c4b28f30$@Comcast.net> Message-ID: <56FEA2BD.2020007@triconet.org> Or as they say in real estate, "Location, location, location" On 4/1/2016 7:43 AM, Peter Chamalian wrote: > Well the K3 is just amazing me once again. Without the benefit of anything > special for antennas I have managed to hear and work VK0EK 160-10. As the > saying goes, you can't work 'em if you can't hear them. The toughest was > 160 (a hold your breath and focus) but there it was in the log! Ditto this > morning on 10 although they were louder but lots of QSB. > > > > Thanks again Elecraft for a truly great radio! > > > > Pete, W1RM > > > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Apr 1 13:23:01 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2016 09:23:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" Message-ID: <201604011723.u31HN2Nh026753@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> My only attempt at HF in a mobile was on my old 78 Scout Traveler (diesel). Before heading to AK I had a welder install a big front bumper with space for a winch and brush guard for front grill and head lights. Alas, I never bought the winch so had a tool box installed in its place. OK I used the 1-inch steel tubing as a clamp support for a Hustler 4BTX which I had the 80m whip option. It stuck up there a ways so was only installed when I was parked. Worked K4USA (I think the call was) from Eagle, AK to the Antarctic via 20m and 100w. The scout was a heavy rig 4500-lbs. and had a nice steel frame which probably helped. Now if you want a challenge install a 4-MHz HF Marine SSB station on a fishing boat (typ. 25-35 foot). The one's with fiberglass hulls can be a challenge. Most Marine HF used either 21-foot or 35-foot whips and had a manual tuner (In the old days vs auto-tuner now days) attached to something metallic right at the base of the antenna. Usually had a 1-inch mesh ground strap to ground and RG-8 to the radio. The manual tuners had a motorized switch to select taps in the loading coil and jumpers for the bank of fixed tuning caps. Fortunately only about six to eight channels were programmed as one could spend a hour easily trying to find the best combo of tap position and capacity. 2182-KHz was the mandatory emergency watch frequency and getting a good match was awful. 4125-KHz (4A) was the standard in AK for all the fisherman and one could hear them some times out to 800 mi at night. 100-125w was standard. On my last job I installed a Harris 1kW linear to serve as Marine HF Base on 4125 and strung a dipole at 40-foot between two Rohn-25 towers (nice to be a rich oil company!). They sold them as Satellite telephone has largely replaced HF for commercial marine. Boats still have them but little used. Sorry about reminiscing - the topic reminded me of those days in early 1980's. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From n1nk at cox.net Fri Apr 1 13:34:51 2016 From: n1nk at cox.net (Jim Spears) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 13:34:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/K3s KFL3A-6K AM/ESSB 8 pole filter Message-ID: <020a01d18c3c$cc057090$641051b0$@cox.net> I am doing a bit of reconfiguration on one of my K3 units. I do not need the 6 KHz AM/ESSB filter and would like to find a new home for it. Current Elecraft list price is $149.95. I am asking $95 shipped USPS Priority mail stateside. I will ship outside USA for additional actual cost. Jim/N1NK From eric at elecraft.com Fri Apr 1 13:26:03 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 10:26:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Decoding high speed CW In-Reply-To: <541B0F03E27A4FB5A72685BC7DFB4692@ownerdell> References: <31821028.1459367380734.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1459367970240-7615760.post@n2.nabble.com> <541B0F03E27A4FB5A72685BC7DFB4692@ownerdell> Message-ID: <56FEAF2B.2070508@elecraft.com> Hi folks - We closed this OT thread yesterday due to the excessively high number of postings. 73, Eric Moodulator /elecraft.com/ On 4/1/2016 9:17 AM, Jerry T. Dowell wrote: > My Conditional Class code exam in 1954, administered by an Extra Class ham, > was mixed code groups (5-letter as I recall) sent from an old Signal Corps > manual at 15 wpm or so with a bug. I imagine that a few others who lived in > the boondocks had similar experiences. The rules, of course, called for > plain language text. > > Jerry AI6L > > -----Original Message----- > From: lstavenhagen [mailto:lstavenhagen at hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:00 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Decoding high speed CW > > Oops, my apologies: one of those was me, my excuse will have to be that it > was in 1973 and I guess those memories are no longer what they used to be! > > I probably mixed that up with my code practice tapes, which definitely did > have 4 letter code group parts.... > > 73, > LS > W5QD > > > Mike Morrow-3 wrote >>> Code groups were never part of ham exams at any speed. >> Exactly! Yet some report, even here in the past few days, that their ham >> Morse exams were random character code groups. Thanks for information to >> the contrary that can be neither doubted nor disputed! >> >> 73, >> Mike / KK5F > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From eric at elecraft.com Fri Apr 1 13:28:39 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 10:28:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" In-Reply-To: <201604011723.u31HN2Nh026753@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201604011723.u31HN2Nh026753@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <56FEAFC7.3070700@elecraft.com> We're hitting the OT posting limit on this one. Let's wind it down in the next 2-3 posts. 73, Eric Moderator from time to time.. /elecraft.com/ On 4/1/2016 10:23 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > My only attempt at HF in a mobile was on my old 78 Scout Traveler (diesel). > Before heading to AK I had a welder install a big front bumper with space for > a winch and brush guard for front grill and head lights. Alas, I never bought > the winch so had a tool box installed in its place. ... From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Fri Apr 1 13:56:58 2016 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 10:56:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Rerouting the KRX3 AUX Input from the Rear BNC to the KAT3 Message-ID: <1459533418301-7615802.post@n2.nabble.com> When I built my K3 some years ago I routed the second receiver's AUX antenna input to the rear panel BNC connector. But now I have changed my mind and want to route it through the KAT3 instead, in order to try diversity reception. How complex is this to accomplish? I know I need to plug in another 30 cm tmp cable to the KRX3 board than the one I am using now. But how many panels do I need to remove from the K3? The top I'm sure I need to remove, but is that enough? ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Rerouting-the-KRX3-AUX-Input-from-the-Rear-BNC-to-the-KAT3-tp7615802.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pa3a at xs4all.nl Fri Apr 1 14:08:30 2016 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:08:30 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Rerouting the KRX3 AUX Input from the Rear BNC to the KAT3 In-Reply-To: <1459533418301-7615802.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1459533418301-7615802.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <56FEB91E.2020003@xs4all.nl> Sverre, just curious, why would you like to route the 2nd RX through the KAT3? What is it that you trying to accomplish? Arie PA3A Op 1-4-2016 om 19:56 schreef Sverre Holm (LA3ZA): > When I built my K3 some years ago I routed the second receiver's AUX antenna > input to the rear panel BNC connector. But now I have changed my mind and > want to route it through the KAT3 instead, in order to try diversity > reception. > > How complex is this to accomplish? I know I need to plug in another 30 cm > tmp cable to the KRX3 board than the one I am using now. But how many panels > do I need to remove from the K3? The top I'm sure I need to remove, but is > that enough? > > > > > > ----- > Sverre, LA3ZA > --- Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Apr 1 14:14:56 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:14:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Rerouting the KRX3 AUX Input from the Rear BNC to the KAT3 In-Reply-To: <1459533418301-7615802.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1459533418301-7615802.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4F437F71-FCB3-4006-9C56-6C712D9E7417@widomaker.com> I put both cables in at build time. Unused one is routed into the shielded area and secured to the shield. Easy to re-configure. Take off top and change cables. A pair of surgical clamps may be useful. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 1, 2016, at 1:56 PM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote: > > When I built my K3 some years ago I routed the second receiver's AUX antenna > input to the rear panel BNC connector. But now I have changed my mind and > want to route it through the KAT3 instead, in order to try diversity > reception. > > How complex is this to accomplish? I know I need to plug in another 30 cm > tmp cable to the KRX3 board than the one I am using now. But how many panels > do I need to remove from the K3? The top I'm sure I need to remove, but is > that enough? > > > > > > ----- > Sverre, LA3ZA > > K2 #2198, K3 #3391, > LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, > LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Rerouting-the-KRX3-AUX-Input-from-the-Rear-BNC-to-the-KAT3-tp7615802.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Apr 1 14:16:21 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 18:16:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 144, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And without in any way disparaging the K3, I?d add the same for the K2. Just got mine reliably on the air (with Don Wilhelm?s help), and within the first hour added ET7L and SO1WS to the log on 40, among less exotic others, using just an inverted Vee and under conditions of weak signals and unusually high noise, not to mention significant pileups in the UP space. >Message: 28 >Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 10:43:57 -0400 >From: "Peter Chamalian" >To: >Subject: [Elecraft] Incredible Receiver >Message-ID: <001001d18c24$ec3b8510$c4b28f30$@Comcast.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Well the K3 is just amazing me once again. Without the benefit of >anything >special for antennas I have managed to hear and work VK0EK 160-10. As the >saying goes, you can't work 'em if you can't hear them. The toughest was >160 (a hold your breath and focus) but there it was in the log! Ditto >this >morning on 10 although they were louder but lots of QSB. > > > >Thanks again Elecraft for a truly great radio! > > > >Pete, W1RM From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Apr 1 14:23:57 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:23:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Rerouting the KRX3 AUX Input from the Rear BNC to the KAT3 In-Reply-To: <1459533418301-7615802.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1459533418301-7615802.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <56FEBCBD.5040603@embarqmail.com> Sverre, That task can be accomplished by removing only the top cover. The angled TMP connector on the subRX is a little difficult to reach without tilting the back of the subRX up a bit, but it can be done. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/1/2016 1:56 PM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote: > When I built my K3 some years ago I routed the second receiver's AUX antenna > input to the rear panel BNC connector. But now I have changed my mind and > want to route it through the KAT3 instead, in order to try diversity > reception. > > How complex is this to accomplish? I know I need to plug in another 30 cm > tmp cable to the KRX3 board than the one I am using now. From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Fri Apr 1 14:34:55 2016 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 11:34:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Rerouting the KRX3 AUX Input from the Rear BNC to the KAT3 In-Reply-To: <56FEBCBD.5040603@embarqmail.com> References: <1459533418301-7615802.post@n2.nabble.com> <56FEBCBD.5040603@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1459535695644-7615807.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks for very quick responses to my question - I'm overwhelmed! I'll remove the top cover and start right away! I have two antennas, and no special receive antenna, and the two antennas are connected to ANT1 and ANT2 all the time. If I reroute the KRX3 AUX input to the KAT3, I will be able to check out diversity - provided that the antennas in practice are well enough isolated. It's a horizontal loop and a vertical so I hope it should be fine, although the vertical is in one of the corners of the loop. 73 and thanks ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Rerouting-the-KRX3-AUX-Input-from-the-Rear-BNC-to-the-KAT3-tp7615802p7615807.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 15:27:21 2016 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 13:27:21 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Rerouting the KRX3 AUX Input from the Rear BNC to the KAT3 In-Reply-To: <1459533418301-7615802.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1459533418301-7615802.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Some models of UHF under-dash Motorola mobiles have a short (+/- 6") TMP M/M jumper cable connecting two boards. A female circuit board connector can be salvaged from the the radio for use as a end connector on the short cable, making a M/F extension for the input to the 2nd receiver. I have the ends of this extension cable and the cable from the rear BNC rear connector laid atop the 2nd receiver, making it an easy task to lift the top cover and choose the antenna being fed to the 2nd receiver's input. I'm not been able to find a source for cable-end female TMP connectors, or even a part number to order them from Motorola ... and I'm a retired two-way tech. (;-) Perhaps Elecraft parts may have them. I "scrounged" several cables and boards from a friend who owns a two-way radio shop when I made mine and a couple for friends. 73 Ken - K0PP From rdarlington at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 15:30:07 2016 From: rdarlington at gmail.com (Bob Darlington) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 13:30:07 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/K3s KFL3A-6K AM/ESSB 8 pole filter In-Reply-To: <020a01d18c3c$cc057090$641051b0$@cox.net> References: <020a01d18c3c$cc057090$641051b0$@cox.net> Message-ID: Interested, I'll mail direct. On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Jim Spears wrote: > I am doing a bit of reconfiguration on one of my K3 units. I do not need > the 6 KHz AM/ESSB filter and would like to find a new home for it. > > > > Current Elecraft list price is $149.95. I am asking $95 shipped USPS > Priority mail stateside. I will ship outside USA for additional actual > cost. > > > > Jim/N1NK > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rdarlington at gmail.com > From Gary at ka1j.com Fri Apr 1 15:53:10 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2016 15:53:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility questions Message-ID: <56FED1A6.17941.343E580@Gary.ka1j.com> I'm starting to explore other options with different software and my K3s. My main interest is in being able to send CW, RTTY and it would be a nice plus to send from the voice memories when calling in a pileup and not have to keep hitting the function button every time I put out my call. Seeing as I have the K3 Utility already working, I have found the terminal seems to work well for the immediate needs on CW. I do though have to run it separately from my logging program because the only port that is available is #8 and that is dedicated to the K3 and the logging program takes ownership of it. Once I make a contact I have to shut off the utility and load the program to get it logged. Then if I want to use the terminal I have to do it all over again. I tried to use OmniRig to run the K3/logging program and the Elecraft Utility but see no way to share the utility with it. - Is there another software to use the terminal with the K3 at the same time? Maybe another method? Right now I'm trying not to add more hardware. - Also, I tried to use the memories in the Utilities terminal for RTTY but could not get RTTY to work. I'm sure I missed something I need to change in the configuration but if so, I don't know what it is. Suggestions? Thanks & 73, Gary KA1J From n1nk at cox.net Fri Apr 1 17:11:34 2016 From: n1nk at cox.net (Jim Spears) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 17:11:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: SOLD - 6 KHz AM/ESSB filter Message-ID: <022601d18c5b$127539c0$375fad40$@cox.net> The filter is sold. Jim N1NK From richarddw1945 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 1 17:23:55 2016 From: richarddw1945 at yahoo.com (richarddw1945 at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 21:23:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Rerouting the KRX3 AUX Input from the Rear BNC to the KAT3 In-Reply-To: <56FEBCBD.5040603@embarqmail.com> References: <1459533418301-7615802.post@n2.nabble.com> <56FEBCBD.5040603@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <656445724.1372952.1459545835862.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Don, I have my sub receiver connected to the AUX input, and it still works just fine with diversity receive. ?The way you do is connect your receive only antenna to the RX in BNC on the back of the K3, ?then run a short piece of coax with male BNC connectors on each in between the RX OUT and the AUX input. ?Not sure why this method has not been mentioned in the manual. I have being doing this since I purchased my original K3. ?I use either Beverages, or the Hi Z 8 now; but am in the process of erecting a SAL 30 fro Array Solutions. ? That will give me three different choices for receive antennas. Dick, K8ZTT? From: Don Wilhelm To: Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Rerouting the KRX3 AUX Input from the Rear BNC to the KAT3 Sverre, That task can be accomplished by removing only the top cover. The angled TMP connector on the subRX is a little difficult to reach without tilting the back of the subRX up a bit, but it can be done. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/1/2016 1:56 PM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote: > When I built my K3 some years ago I routed the second receiver's AUX antenna > input to the rear panel BNC connector. But now I have changed my mind and > want to route it through the KAT3 instead, in order to try diversity > reception. > > How complex is this to accomplish? I know I need to plug in another 30 cm > tmp cable to the KRX3 board than the one I am using now. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to richarddw1945 at yahoo.com From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Fri Apr 1 19:15:30 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 23:15:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" In-Reply-To: <1186932396.1058462.1459522026352.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1186932396.1058462.1459522026352.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1794290543.1083356.1459552530934.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Actually Willis, there is no additional tuner.? Just the motor in the antenna and a single base matching coil.? I have put in a 15 turn airdux coil and use taps to set the best for 80 and up.? Works for me. Pictures on on file at several elecraft/antenna/mobile/HI-Q/ etc blogs. Anything in particular and I will send it direct. Mel, K6KBE From: Mike Furrey To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" I use the HiQ 4-80 with a 2' mast extender mounted on the back bumper of a F150. At the base of the antenna I have a hb box of six relays to switch in the appropriate capacitors to match the feed point impeadance and I use the Ameritron SDC-102 memory controller that does a good job of going to the saved locations but I usually have to give it a "bump" or two on 60, 80, or 160 (with aux coil I can add if I have to get on that band). As this system is "almost" seamless, and as someone else mentioned. I still stop to change bands to keep it safe. The old ARRL mobile manual is still pretty good read on this subject. 73 es GL Mike WA5POK On Thu, 3/31/16, WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" To: "Mel Farrer" , "Bill Frantz" , "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Date: Thursday, March 31, 2016, 10:44 PM Interesting comments Mel. ?I have purchased ?a Little Tarheel and installed it on my vehicle, but I have not got around to doing anything with it. ?I have a MFJ tuner that looks like it will work as well as the one you use. ?Are you using a Coax switch? ?I would be interested in your pictures if you have them on line. ?I also have a MFJ tuner that I have not installed as yet, but it looks like if you installed the tuner so that it is in line with the anslyzer or the rig when you have a coax switch installed you could use auto tune and then see what you have as well.?Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, ? ? ? From: Mel Farrer via Elecraft ? To: Bill Frantz ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" ? Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 4:13 PM ? Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" ??? While I never tune while driving, I got rid of the autotuners for the HI-Q 5-160 antenna and installed a switch to allow me to transfer the antenna to a FG-01 analyzer.? So when I need to move frequency, I pull over stop, switch to the analyzer and tune the antenna.? Simple and fool proof.? Legal too.? Pictures on file. Mel, K6KBE ? ? ? From: Bill Frantz ? To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net ? Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 1:27 PM ? Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" ? I have a Little Tarheel screwdriver antenna on the 4Runner. It works well on 21MHz and higher, and less well as you go down in frequency. When parked, I try to add an external counterpose clipped to the ground side of the antenna mount, which seems to help on 40M. I really think you want your counterpose to be on the order of 1/4 wave long, and the 4Runner isn't 10 meters long. I do remember doing search and pounce in the California QSO party on 80M. As I tuned up the band and found a new station, I had to re-turn the antenna, which I did while giving my call. Everyone who answered said something along the line of, "You're down in the noise, but we'll make it work." I thank them. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz? ? ? ? | I don't have high-speed? ? ? | Periwinkle (408)356-8506? ? ? | internet. I have DSL.? ? ? ? | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | Los Gatos, CA 95032 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrcooke at yahoo.com ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mikefurrey at att.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From wb4ooa at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 19:59:36 2016 From: wb4ooa at gmail.com (Ron Durie) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:59:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 F.S. MINT With options Message-ID: <003001d18c72$8e1ef950$aa5cebf0$@gmail.com> Elecraft K3/100; Late #7504, which includes all factory upgrades, in Mint condition. This is an excellent K3, out of the box. K3SYN3AUPG newest Synthesizer option installed. This significantly improves receiver performance. KXV3A Receive ANT IF out and XVRTR Interface board, installed. KIO3 I/O board option, installed. Standard KTCXO3 Reference Oscillator, 0.5PPM. KBPF3 General Coverage Receive option, installed. Standard 5 pole 2.7 kHz crystal filter. KAT3 Internal automatic antenna tuner option, installed. In "Like New" condition. No scratches or blemishes. Even all the front panel knobs are new. One owner nonsmoker; and 18 months old. When I build, these I treat every connector pin with Caig De-Oxit Pro gold solution, to prevent pin Oxidation; intermittent connections; easy connector insertion; with very low contact resistance. Includes PowerPole Power cable; Allen wrenches; PA Jumper; and all manuals. Contact me off line at: WB4OOA at gmail.com $2695 Shipped CONUS. PayPal preferred; Check when cleared; and pictures available upon request. Ron Durie Elecraft K3s-Line From mike at mdodd.com Fri Apr 1 20:46:25 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:46:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Equipment on top of K3? In-Reply-To: <1794290543.1083356.1459552530934.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1186932396.1058462.1459522026352.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1794290543.1083356.1459552530934.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56FF1661.7080100@mdodd.com> I'm eagerly awaiting delivery of a K3s/100 kit on Tuesday. I didn't order the P3 panadapter, but plan to in a few months. Is it allowed to place the P3 on top of the K3? I see ventilation slots in the top panel, but I think the P3 has feet that elevate it. Is there enough clearance for satisfactory K3 ventilation? Thanks for any info. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft KX3 + KXPA100 @ 100W Elecraft PX3 panadapter Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From k9ma at sdellington.us Fri Apr 1 21:10:31 2016 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (Scott Ellington) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:10:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Oscillating Lab Power Supply Message-ID: <56FF1C07.3020905@sdellington.us> The other day, I was testing my new KX-1 with one of these power supplies: http://www.amazon.com/Mastech-HY3005D-Variable-Linear-Supply/dp/B000E14F56 It caused some awful garbage to come out of the KX-1, which was caused by the power supply oscillating and generating a bunch of 120 Hz ripple. They're sold under several brand names, and there are several versions, all basically the same. I'm guessing I'm not the only one who was attracted to their low price. The fix is easy, though it took most of the day to figure out. Contact me if you need it. 73, Scott K9MA -- Scott Ellington K9MA Madison, Wisconsin, USA k9ma at sdellington.us From w1ksz at earthlink.net Fri Apr 1 21:43:05 2016 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard W. Solomon) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 18:43:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Oscillating Lab Power Supply In-Reply-To: <56FF1C07.3020905@sdellington.us> References: <56FF1C07.3020905@sdellington.us> Message-ID: <000f01d18c81$009b42a0$01d1c7e0$@net> Or, you could go over to that "auction" place and buy a real power supply, like Kepco or Lambda or ... (one marked ..."Made in U.S.A."...). If you want the "Cadillac of the Industry, find a Krohn-Hite. 73, Dick, W1KSZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Scott Ellington Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:11 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Oscillating Lab Power Supply The other day, I was testing my new KX-1 with one of these power supplies: http://www.amazon.com/Mastech-HY3005D-Variable-Linear-Supply/dp/B000E14F56 It caused some awful garbage to come out of the KX-1, which was caused by the power supply oscillating and generating a bunch of 120 Hz ripple. They're sold under several brand names, and there are several versions, all basically the same. I'm guessing I'm not the only one who was attracted to their low price. The fix is easy, though it took most of the day to figure out. Contact me if you need it. 73, Scott K9MA -- Scott Ellington K9MA Madison, Wisconsin, USA k9ma at sdellington.us ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net From phystad at mac.com Fri Apr 1 22:05:51 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2016 19:05:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Rules on selling... Message-ID: What are the rules or what is the proper polite protocol for selling on the Elecraft list. I see Elecraft equipment all the time listed for sale and sometimes I see other stuff not made by Elecraft. Not sure whether my item is right for the list (a Tek scope). Thanks, 73, phil, K7PEH From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Apr 1 22:22:16 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:22:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Equipment on top of K3? In-Reply-To: <56FF1661.7080100@mdodd.com> References: <1186932396.1058462.1459522026352.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1794290543.1083356.1459552530934.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56FF1661.7080100@mdodd.com> Message-ID: <56FF2CD8.6050809@audiosystemsgroup.com> Yes, that works fine, and it's how mine are mounted. I use velcro tabs to keep the P3 from sliding back -- I use the tilt-bale on the bottom of the K3 to place it at a good viewing and operating angle. 73, Jim K9YC On Fri,4/1/2016 5:46 PM, Mike Dodd wrote: > it allowed to place the P3 on top of the K3? I see ventilation slots > in the top panel, but I think the P3 has feet that elevate it. Is > there enough clearance for satisfactory K3 ventilation? From d6rep at live.com Sat Apr 2 00:11:30 2016 From: d6rep at live.com (Don Strom) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 23:11:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Rotating Antenna from a remote location. Message-ID: Am getting ready to order K3S with the remote rig duo from Elecraft. Any one out there that is rotating their antennas remotely? If so, very interested in what you are using to do the job. Thanks! Don W0EAR Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 00:26:39 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 22:26:39 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Windows 10 observations Message-ID: I have an HP desktop from Staples that started out with Windows 7 Home Office and an HP laptop ... also from Staples ... with Windows 7. Both have Norton anti-virus protection that updates nightly, DX4WIN logging programs, and N1MM+ contest loggers. They are both set up with the utilities to do updates of the K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500, KX3, PX3, KXPA100, etc. Both have 4-port USB hubs, photo editing programs and other assorted devices hooked up. I use MS Excel for coordinating Montana's VHF and UHF repeaters. The program is "busy" with about 1200 lines of data. Both (automatically) updated to Windows 10 a few weeks ago. They are connected 24/7 to the Internet via a secured router and CenturyLink DSL and spend several hours prowling on line each night. Most likely due to Century Link and Norton I seldom get SPAM. The point of all the above ... it all works and doesn't quit. I know very little about computers, but I'm happy with Windows 10! 73 K0PP From tim at sy-edm.com Sat Apr 2 00:51:57 2016 From: tim at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 08:51:57 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility questions In-Reply-To: <56FED1A6.17941.343E580@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <56FED1A6.17941.343E580@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <04940E43-32E3-4180-8C74-F8C16E07D132@sy-edm.com> Gary, I also had a look around for control software - but could find nothing I really liked (There re some great programs out there) - but either too complex or not focused on what I want. So?. Write your own ! I know it sounds daunting - but the K3 has an excellent programming document - and the K3 Utility gives you a test bed to try out your commands (I would suggest a degree of caution) - once you have that done - it is simply a matter of an interface - which can be as complex or as simple as you want. Assuming you do not want to write your own - but wish to use multiple programs at the same time - then?. Depending upon the port connection mechanism you are using - will depend if the port is available for other devices to use. Most software opens a device similar to a file - i.e. in exclusive mode. Thus blocking other programs from using that port. However - there are options?. Mac: the Mac seems quite happy with the /dev/CU-xxxxx to allow multiple ports Windows: I think on Windows you could look for a virtual port driver - and gain access to the ?real? port using virtual ports. I did this years ago for sharing GPS Receivers amongst programs. Linux: you should use a Daemon (a Central process that listens to many clients who wish to talk to the Device). The Linux mechanism is far superior (Opps maybe I am a little biased, for it could be implemented as a service in Windows also - its just almost no Windows programmer ever does this) - but it does add another layer of complexity to the whole control process. The Daemon/detached process mechanism is best/easiest used using ricgtld (Linux) - I do see people using it for Windows also - but I have no experience on that. Regards Tim A45WG > On 1 Apr 2016, at 23:53, Gary Smith wrote: > > I'm starting to explore other options with > different software and my K3s. My main > interest is in being able to send CW, RTTY > and it would be a nice plus to send from > the voice memories when calling in a > pileup and not have to keep hitting the > function button every time I put out my > call. > > Seeing as I have the K3 Utility already > working, I have found the terminal seems > to work well for the immediate needs on > CW. I do though have to run it separately > from my logging program because the only > port that is available is #8 and that is > dedicated to the K3 and the logging > program takes ownership of it. Once I make > a contact I have to shut off the utility > and load the program to get it logged. > Then if I want to use the terminal I have > to do it all over again. > > I tried to use OmniRig to run the > K3/logging program and the Elecraft > Utility but see no way to share the > utility with it. > > - Is there another software to use the > terminal with the K3 at the same time? > Maybe another method? Right now I'm trying > not to add more hardware. > > - Also, I tried to use the memories in the > Utilities terminal for RTTY but could not > get RTTY to work. I'm sure I missed > something I need to change in the > configuration but if so, I don't know what > it is. > > Suggestions? > > Thanks & 73, > > Gary > KA1J > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com From jeffvk4xa at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 01:10:18 2016 From: jeffvk4xa at gmail.com (Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 22:10:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] wanted: KAT3 Internal ATU for K3 Message-ID: <1459573818239-7615824.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi everyone, I am interested in purchasing a KAT3 internal ATU for my K3 and I was wondering if anyone had one available as a result of an upgrade that they are interested in selling. Of course, I will pay the postage costs and if payment via Paypal is ok I will cover any Paypal fee's too. Many thanks in advance, Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA (Use mycall at arrl.net for emails off list please.) ----- Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA Innisfail, QLD, Australia. K3 #4767 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/wanted-KAT3-Internal-ATU-for-K3-tp7615824.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dl6abm at yahoo.com Sat Apr 2 04:49:44 2016 From: dl6abm at yahoo.com (Holger Meinecke) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 08:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FS in EU: KPA500 References: <1097801464.2228725.1459586984149.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1097801464.2228725.1459586984149.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi All, I'm willing to part from my KPA500 after getting my long awaited Hilberling PA.The KPA 500 is like new both optical and technical and comes from a smoke and Pet free environment.It is wired for 240VAC. The Original cables for? k3 connection are included.I'm asking EUR 2400 + shipping, resonable offers will be considered.Payment by bank transfer preferred but paypal possible. Thanks for the bandwith,73 Holger DL6ABM PS. Fotos on request via private mail: dl6abm(at)darc.de From k2mk at comcast.net Sat Apr 2 05:37:37 2016 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 02:37:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Equipment on top of K3? In-Reply-To: <56FF1661.7080100@mdodd.com> References: <1186932396.1058462.1459522026352.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1794290543.1083356.1459552530934.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56FF1661.7080100@mdodd.com> Message-ID: <1459589857153-7615826.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Mike, I had the P3 on top for several years. I also had the front bale raised on the K3. I used a piece of non-adhesive shelf liner to keep the P3 from sliding around. I cut out the shelf liner around the K3 speaker openings. Absolutely no problem with sliding or K3 ventilation. 73, Mike K2MK Mike Dodd wrote > I'm eagerly awaiting delivery of a K3s/100 kit on Tuesday. I didn't > order the P3 panadapter, but plan to in a few months. > > Is it allowed to place the P3 on top of the K3? I see ventilation slots > in the top panel, but I think the P3 has feet that elevate it. Is there > enough clearance for satisfactory K3 ventilation? > > Thanks for any info. > 73, Mike N4CF -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-Mobile-operation-bible-tp7615776p7615826.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net Sat Apr 2 07:38:51 2016 From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net ('DGB') Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 06:38:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Rotating Antenna from a remote location. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56FFAF4B.1050107@Bayland.net> The Green Heron rotor control works great over the internet. 73 Dwight NS9I On 4/1/2016 11:11 PM, Don Strom wrote: > Am getting ready to order K3S with the remote rig duo from Elecraft. > > Any one out there that is rotating their antennas remotely? > > If so, very interested in what you are using to do the job. > > Thanks! Don W0EAR > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ns9i2016 at bayland.net > > From w2up at comcast.net Sat Apr 2 09:10:50 2016 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 06:10:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Rotating Antenna from a remote location. In-Reply-To: <56FFAF4B.1050107@Bayland.net> References: <56FFAF4B.1050107@Bayland.net> Message-ID: <1459602650161-7615828.post@n2.nabble.com> I use one of these: http://schmidt-alba.de/eshop/ Barry W2UP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Rotating-Antenna-from-a-remote-location-tp7615820p7615828.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mike at mdodd.com Sat Apr 2 09:27:06 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 09:27:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Equipment on top of K3? In-Reply-To: <56FF2CD8.6050809@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1186932396.1058462.1459522026352.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1794290543.1083356.1459552530934.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56FF1661.7080100@mdodd.com> <56FF2CD8.6050809@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <56FFC8AA.7020403@mdodd.com> On 4/1/2016 10:22 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Yes, that works fine, and it's how mine are mounted. I use Velcro tabs > to keep the P3 from sliding back -- I use the tilt-bale on the bottom of > the K3 to place it at a good viewing and operating angle. Thanks to all who replied here and off-list as well. Here is a photo of what I'm working with: I made a mockup of the K3, so I think I'll also make one of the P3. The green foam block probably is taller than the k3's folding wire foot, so I might build a sloping wooden stand that places the front panel an inch lower. Hopefully that will leave space on top for the P3 to fit into the hutch cavity. If not, there is space to the right of the hutch -- less convenient, but workable. Thanks again, everyone. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft KX3 + KXPA100 @ 100W Elecraft PX3 panadapter Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From cautery at montac.com Sat Apr 2 09:45:35 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 08:45:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 80 Meter loop question Message-ID: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> Does anyone have any information or a link to information data on an 80 meter loop's complex impedance and VSWR values across the HF bands? R, X, VSWR from say 3.5-30MHz or better 1.0-54 MHz, measurements taken at the loop ends with a short jumper, not a long feed-line. Preferably with loop elevated above 45 feet or so. -- ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 From thelastdb at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 10:24:10 2016 From: thelastdb at gmail.com (Myron Schaffer) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 08:24:10 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] 80 Meter loop question In-Reply-To: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> References: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> Message-ID: Clay, I can run an EZNEC model for you if you give me some more info about the loop. You said about 45 feet high and assume square. Did you want to feed it in the middle of one side or at the corner? I will model above average ground conductivity just to keep all my analyses consistent. I can then put the results in SimSmith and spit out all the data you'll need, complete with any transmission line and length and complex impedance including efficiency across the whole HF frequency band. Myron WV?H Printed on Recycled Data > On Apr 2, 2016, at 7:45 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > > Does anyone have any information or a link to information data on an 80 > meter loop's complex impedance and VSWR values across the HF bands? > > R, X, VSWR from say 3.5-30MHz or better 1.0-54 MHz, measurements taken > at the loop ends with a short jumper, not a long feed-line. Preferably > with loop elevated above 45 feet or so. > > -- > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KG5LKV > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to thelastdb at gmail.com From k8cxm at hotmail.com Sat Apr 2 10:55:12 2016 From: k8cxm at hotmail.com (Jim Leder) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 10:55:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility question Message-ID: I use VSPE. My logging program and WSJTX work with it just fine. Yes, Omnirig is also used for WSJTX. http://www.eterlogic.com/Products.VSPE.html Been using it for years. Jim Leder From ron at cobi.biz Sat Apr 2 13:29:46 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 10:29:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Rules on selling... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003b01d18d05$40934040$c1b9c0c0$@biz> Eric is the list moderator but in your shoes I'd list it and ask for any interested persons to contact you directly. Eric has been clear about allowing a reasonable amount of O.T. posting of things of interest to Hams. When it sells, it's polite to post a brief message saying it has been sold for those scanning the archives. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 7:06 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Rules on selling... What are the rules or what is the proper polite protocol for selling on the Elecraft list. I see Elecraft equipment all the time listed for sale and sometimes I see other stuff not made by Elecraft. Not sure whether my item is right for the list (a Tek scope). Thanks, 73, phil, K7PEH From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Apr 2 13:44:07 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 10:44:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 80 Meter loop question In-Reply-To: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> References: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> Message-ID: <570004E7.2060205@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,4/2/2016 6:45 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > Does anyone have any information or a link to information data on an 80 meter loop's complex impedance and VSWR values across the HF bands? It's pretty easy to model with NEC, which yields this data in the form a plot of VSWR vs frequency with data points as closely spaced as you choose. Move the cursor to each data point and you'll see complex Z. I've learned a lot from using NEC, not only to design antennas but also to learn from the results of the model, changing variables, etc. 4NEC2 is free and quite powerful. I use EZNEC 5.0 because I find the UI easier to relate to, but it costs money. :) 73, Jim K9YC 73, Jim K9YC From ron at cobi.biz Sat Apr 2 13:50:34 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 10:50:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" In-Reply-To: <928036953.1181178.1459528080336.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <928036953.1181178.1459528080336.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <928036953.1181178.1459528080336.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003f01d18d08$2888e510$799aaf30$@biz> Back in the 50's QRO mobiles used large diameter loading coils wound with heavy wire and often added a copper toilet tank float to the end of the antenna to minimize corona discharge. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Furrey Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 9:28 AM To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" I have found Ham sticks work fine on 20 and up but I won't talk about what happen to a 75 meter ham stick we were tinkering with and forgot to turn off the mobile amp! From mike at mdodd.com Sat Apr 2 14:16:18 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 14:16:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter size In-Reply-To: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> References: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> Message-ID: <57000C72.8070607@mdodd.com> While eagerly awaiting delivery of my K3s kit on Tuesday, I built a cardboard mockup of it and the P3 panadapter to see how they will fit on my desk. I was surprised to discover that the screen is the same size as the one in the PX3 I've been using with the Kx3. Plus, the front panel layout is essentially the same as the PX3. What's inside the P3 that justifies a cabinet 7X larger than the PX3? I don't see any interior photos in the P3 owner's manual, and I can't locate a P3 kit assembly manual on Elecraft's website. Does anyone have a link to the assembly manual? Thanks for any info. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft KX3 + KXPA100 @ 100W Elecraft PX3 panadapter Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From lists at subich.com Sat Apr 2 14:33:15 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 14:33:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter size In-Reply-To: <57000C72.8070607@mdodd.com> References: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> <57000C72.8070607@mdodd.com> Message-ID: <5700106B.3060908@subich.com> > What's inside the P3 that justifies a cabinet 7X larger than the PX3? Nothing. It is made the same depth as the K3 so the front panels will remain parallel/coplanar when both units are used with bails extended. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/2/2016 2:16 PM, Mike Dodd wrote: > While eagerly awaiting delivery of my K3s kit on Tuesday, I built a > cardboard mockup of it and the P3 panadapter to see how they will fit on > my desk. > > I was surprised to discover that the screen is the same size as the one > in the PX3 I've been using with the Kx3. Plus, the front panel layout is > essentially the same as the PX3. > > What's inside the P3 that justifies a cabinet 7X larger than the PX3? > > I don't see any interior photos in the P3 owner's manual, and I can't > locate a P3 kit assembly manual on Elecraft's website. Does anyone have > a link to the assembly manual? > > Thanks for any info. > From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 14:34:10 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 12:34:10 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter size In-Reply-To: <57000C72.8070607@mdodd.com> References: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> <57000C72.8070607@mdodd.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike! I have both the P3 and the PX3, and your question is a natural one to ask. There's very little space inside the P3's box that's used. I'll wager the cabinet size was determined by the K3's cabinet. Personally, I wouldn't want it to be any smaller, and the depth matches the rest of the K-line. Makes "stacking" logical and convenient. In the situation between the KX3 nd PX3 the size seems related to the KX3. On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Mike Dodd wrote: > While eagerly awaiting delivery of my K3s kit on Tuesday, I built a > cardboard mockup of it and the P3 panadapter to see how they will fit on my > desk. > > I was surprised to discover that the screen is the same size as the one in > the PX3 I've been using with the Kx3. Plus, the front panel layout is > essentially the same as the PX3. > > What's inside the P3 that justifies a cabinet 7X larger than the PX3? > > I don't see any interior photos in the P3 owner's manual, and I can't > locate a P3 kit assembly manual on Elecraft's website. Does anyone have a > link to the assembly manual? > > Thanks for any info. > > -- > 73, Mike N4CF > Louisa County, VA USA > Elecraft KX3 + KXPA100 @ 100W > Elecraft PX3 panadapter > Carolina Windom up 45' > http://n4cf.mdodd.com > > From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Sat Apr 2 15:20:09 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 19:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] 80 Meter loop question In-Reply-To: <570004E7.2060205@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <570004E7.2060205@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <801179969.1334998.1459624809718.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I agree, I use ver 5 also.? Easier to move stuff around.? Once you try modelling you will find it consumes an incredible amount of your time, but FUN.? Mel, K6KBE From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 80 Meter loop question On Sat,4/2/2016 6:45 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > Does anyone have any information or a link to information data on an 80 meter loop's complex impedance and VSWR values across the HF bands? It's pretty easy to model with NEC, which yields this data in the form a plot of VSWR vs frequency with data points as closely spaced as you choose. Move the cursor to each data point and you'll see complex Z. I've learned a lot from using NEC, not only to design antennas but also to learn from the results of the model, changing variables, etc. 4NEC2 is free and quite powerful. I use EZNEC 5.0 because I find the UI easier to relate to, but it costs money. :) 73, Jim K9YC 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Sat Apr 2 15:22:24 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 19:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" In-Reply-To: <003f01d18d08$2888e510$799aaf30$@biz> References: <003f01d18d08$2888e510$799aaf30$@biz> Message-ID: <2102499955.1371216.1459624944200.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Yep, and I remember HWL running the ART13 and blew the poorly mounted SS tip off the whip at a convention.? That makes me older than dirt..... Mel, K6KBE From: Ron D'Eau Claire To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" Back in the 50's QRO mobiles used large diameter loading coils wound with heavy wire and often added a copper toilet tank float to the end of the antenna to minimize corona discharge.? 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Furrey Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 9:28 AM To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" I have found Ham sticks work fine on 20 and up but I won't talk about what happen to a 75 meter ham stick we were tinkering with and forgot to turn off the mobile amp! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From wa6tla at icloud.com Sat Apr 2 15:29:25 2016 From: wa6tla at icloud.com (Elliott Lawrence) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2016 12:29:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter size In-Reply-To: References: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> <57000C72.8070607@mdodd.com> Message-ID: <1A88E3CF-D297-4A8C-8BDA-82E3B631B60E@icloud.com> How about room for the SVGA board and the wattmeter and other accessories that mighty use the empty connector spots on the rear panel? Elliott WA6TLA From k5atg.aaron at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 15:54:59 2016 From: k5atg.aaron at gmail.com (Aaron K5ATG) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 14:54:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WSPR Message-ID: I'm wondering if I am missing something. I'm trying to run WSPR with my K2. I'm using a Signalink USB and have the transmit set at 140971 and receive at 14956 (as per WSPR instructions). My PC clock is in sync with the WSPR program, and I have the AF Gain at about 1 db. I have it set at 20% Transmit. The Idle box is unchecked and the K2 is set at USB. I see a bunch of signals on the waterfall, but I am not receiving or transmitting any signals. From pa0pje at xs4all.nl Sat Apr 2 16:15:16 2016 From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 22:15:16 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] WSPR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57002854.5090107@xs4all.nl> You should set the transceiver's dial to 14095.6 USB. Then, as the audio tone generated is 1500 Hz, the actual transmit frequency will be 14097.1 On receive same story: receiving with the dial set to 14095.6 a 1500 Hz tone will be audible. That's it... 73, Peter Op 2016-04-02 21:54 schreef Aaron K5ATG: > I'm wondering if I am missing something. I'm trying to run WSPR with my K2. > I'm using a Signalink USB and have the transmit set at 140971 and receive > at 14956 (as per WSPR instructions). My PC clock is in sync with the WSPR > program, and I have the AF Gain at about 1 db. I have it set at 20% > Transmit. The Idle box is unchecked and the K2 is set at USB. I see a > bunch of signals on the waterfall, but I am not receiving or transmitting > any signals. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pa0pje at xs4all.nl > From n1nk at cox.net Sat Apr 2 16:16:34 2016 From: n1nk at cox.net (Jim Spears) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 16:16:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KE: issue with installation of K3EXREF interface Message-ID: <027f01d18d1c$8de52360$a9af6a20$@cox.net> While installing the K3EXREF SMA-TMP cable, I ran into an interesting issue which I do not yet know if it is a problem or just interesting. There is a ferrule or something similar over the cable where it attaches to the SMA fitting that is installed on the back panel. while tightening the hex nut down, I must have torqued something as the ferrule broke into two pieces and fell off. I finished off the installation and verified that the GPSDO does provide a suitable 10 MHz signal into the radio. So the question becomes: is this interesting or a problem? I took a close look and the problem might be improper grounding of the shield to the chassis at the SMA connector end. If it is deemed to be a potential problem, I can request a new cable from support. It will not take long to replace the cable. Jim/N1NK From john at kk9a.com Sat Apr 2 16:29:03 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 16:29:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadaptor Message-ID: <000901d18d1e$4c602640$e52072c0$@com> I added the P3 panadaptor to my K3S line this year I have used it twice - in the CW WPX RTTY contest and in last weekend's WPX Phone contest. I have not found any use for it (in contesting) other than to tell me that the band segment is fill of signals, which I already knew. I did not notice any obviously quiet frequencies that would be good to CQ on, nor can I tell when a big pileup occurs on a new potential multiplier. What is the secret to using a P3 during major contests? John KK9A From john at kk9a.com Sat Apr 2 16:35:01 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 16:35:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 80 Meter loop question Message-ID: <000a01d18d1f$221fb160$665f1420$@com> Modeling is also very educational. You may learn that a proposed antenna is inferior to a simple dipole. I agree that EZNEC is easy to use and reasonably accurate. John KK9A [Elecraft] 80 Meter loop question Mel Farrer farrerfolks at yahoo.com Sat Apr 2 15:20:09 EDT 2016 I agree, I use ver 5 also. Easier to move stuff around. Once you try modelling you will find it consumes an incredible amount of your time, but FUN. Mel, K6KBE From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 80 Meter loop question On Sat,4/2/2016 6:45 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > Does anyone have any information or a link to information data on an 80 meter loop's complex impedance and VSWR values across the HF bands? It's pretty easy to model with NEC, which yields this data in the form a plot of VSWR vs frequency with data points as closely spaced as you choose. Move the cursor to each data point and you'll see complex Z. I've learned a lot from using NEC, not only to design antennas but also to learn from the results of the model, changing variables, etc. 4NEC2 is free and quite powerful. I use EZNEC 5.0 because I find the UI easier to relate to, but it costs money. :) 73, Jim K9YC From n4ua.va at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 16:36:45 2016 From: n4ua.va at gmail.com (George Dubovsky) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 16:36:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadaptor In-Reply-To: <000901d18d1e$4c602640$e52072c0$@com> References: <000901d18d1e$4c602640$e52072c0$@com> Message-ID: Well, it makes unassisted S/P a lot faster; just tune for the next blip. And, if you have directional antennas, like a NE beverage on 160 or 80, it helps to pre-qualify some signals as to multiplier possibility. And it certainly helps to see how close the interference is when you're running. I wouldn't contest without it now. But I don't do fone so maybe that colors my judgement. 73, geo - n4ua On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 4:29 PM, wrote: > I added the P3 panadaptor to my K3S line this year I have used it twice - > in the CW WPX RTTY contest and in last weekend's WPX Phone contest. I have > not found any use for it (in contesting) other than to tell me that the > band > segment is fill of signals, which I already knew. I did not notice any > obviously quiet frequencies that would be good to CQ on, nor can I tell > when > a big pileup occurs on a new potential multiplier. What is the secret to > using a P3 during major contests? > > John KK9A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4ua.va at gmail.com > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sat Apr 2 16:40:46 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 13:40:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadaptor In-Reply-To: <000901d18d1e$4c602640$e52072c0$@com> Message-ID: I think you may need to reduce the span on your P3 so you see a smaller part of the band with more detail. The right level of detail depends on whether you are using CW, RTTY, or SSB. A span of 20 or lower is good for CW. With RTTY, you want to see both tracks of the signal as an aid to quickly tuning it. For SSB, much wider works. When I'm trying to work a DX pileup, I try to have the whole pileup on the screen. 73 Bill AE6JV I use my P3 to locate signals when running search and pounce. It's a lot faster that slow tuning thru the band. I can also locate an open frequency when I am getting ready to run. On 4/2/16 at 1:29 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote: >I did not notice any >obviously quiet frequencies that would be good to CQ on, nor can I tell when >a big pileup occurs on a new potential multiplier. What is the secret to >using a P3 during major contests? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Hardware Management Modes: | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | If there's a mode, there's a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | failure mode. - Jerry Leichter | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From ed at w0yk.com Sat Apr 2 16:41:40 2016 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 13:41:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadaptor In-Reply-To: <000901d18d1e$4c602640$e52072c0$@com> References: <000901d18d1e$4c602640$e52072c0$@com> Message-ID: <72AF36F9E95343E7B5E642FC4BE46210@h81420t> Maximize and utilize the waterfall portion of the display. Ed W0YK _________________________________________________________________ John KK9A wrote: I added the P3 panadaptor to my K3S line this year I have used it twice - in the CW WPX RTTY contest and in last weekend's WPX Phone contest. I have not found any use for it (in contesting) other than to tell me that the band segment is fill of signals, which I already knew. I did not notice any obviously quiet frequencies that would be good to CQ on, nor can I tell when a big pileup occurs on a new potential multiplier. What is the secret to using a P3 during major contests? From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Apr 2 16:52:11 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 13:52:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter size In-Reply-To: <5700106B.3060908@subich.com> References: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> <57000C72.8070607@mdodd.com> <5700106B.3060908@subich.com> Message-ID: <3929897F-A1D2-4807-BE7C-6E2ABB675C7D@socal.rr.com> Funny thing is that when I first saw the P3 I was thinking CRT due to the depth of it :-) Of course, it's to better match the K3/K3s in depth. 73, Phil -- Sent from my iPhone 5S > On Apr 2, 2016, at 11:33, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > > What's inside the P3 that justifies a cabinet 7X larger than the PX3? > > Nothing. It is made the same depth as the K3 so the front panels will > remain parallel/coplanar when both units are used with bails extended. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >> On 4/2/2016 2:16 PM, Mike Dodd wrote: >> While eagerly awaiting delivery of my K3s kit on Tuesday, I built a >> cardboard mockup of it and the P3 panadapter to see how they will fit on >> my desk. >> >> I was surprised to discover that the screen is the same size as the one >> in the PX3 I've been using with the Kx3. Plus, the front panel layout is >> essentially the same as the PX3. >> >> What's inside the P3 that justifies a cabinet 7X larger than the PX3? >> >> I don't see any interior photos in the P3 owner's manual, and I can't >> locate a P3 kit assembly manual on Elecraft's website. Does anyone have >> a link to the assembly manual? >> >> Thanks for any info. > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 17:03:03 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 17:03:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadaptor In-Reply-To: <000901d18d1e$4c602640$e52072c0$@com> References: <000901d18d1e$4c602640$e52072c0$@com> Message-ID: The waterfall is what shows vacant frequencies. It gives you the most recent history of frequencies. To start set the span so there's about four or five operating slots per inch. I make the amplitude display as squished as possible and the waterfall as big as possible. I also have the SVGA display up and On Saturday, April 2, 2016, wrote: > I added the P3 panadaptor to my K3S line this year I have used it twice - > in the CW WPX RTTY contest and in last weekend's WPX Phone contest. I have > not found any use for it (in contesting) other than to tell me that the > band > segment is fill of signals, which I already knew. I did not notice any > obviously quiet frequencies that would be good to CQ on, nor can I tell > when > a big pileup occurs on a new potential multiplier. What is the secret to > using a P3 during major contests? > > John KK9A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 17:08:18 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 17:08:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadaptor In-Reply-To: References: <000901d18d1e$4c602640$e52072c0$@com> Message-ID: Sent before done. More below. On Saturday, April 2, 2016, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > The waterfall is what shows vacant frequencies. It gives you the most > recent history of frequencies. To start set the span so there's about four > or five operating slots per inch. > > I make the amplitude display as squished as possible and the waterfall as > big as possible. I also have the SVGA display up and > and have it set to make the waterfall advance as slow as possible to maximize the amount of time shown by the waterfall. Would not operate a contest at home without it. Huge, huge help in finding a run frequency. 73 and good luck, Guy K2AV > > On Saturday, April 2, 2016, wrote: > >> I added the P3 panadaptor to my K3S line this year I have used it twice - >> in the CW WPX RTTY contest and in last weekend's WPX Phone contest. I have >> not found any use for it (in contesting) other than to tell me that the >> band >> segment is fill of signals, which I already knew. I did not notice any >> obviously quiet frequencies that would be good to CQ on, nor can I tell >> when >> a big pileup occurs on a new potential multiplier. What is the secret to >> using a P3 during major contests? >> >> John KK9A >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > > > > -- > Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone > From AE4CW at att.net Sat Apr 2 17:20:27 2016 From: AE4CW at att.net (Chuck - AE4CW) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 14:20:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] 80 Meter loop question In-Reply-To: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> References: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> Message-ID: <1459632027621-7615851.post@n2.nabble.com> Clay, I see you've received offers for data on the feed point impedance and VSWR of an 80M loop. If you feel you need more just let me know. I have modeled, built and used a number of 80M loops very successfully. Properly sized and fed, they offer well under 2:1 SWR within all the HF bands with the exception of 60M and 30M and perhaps 80M depending on the installed height. 300 ohm window line (more nearly 265 ohm) with a 4:1 balun can work very well. If you feed a square loop 80M at 1/3 the distance from any corner, the feed point impedance at resonance will be in the 200-300 ohm range...a good match for 300 (265) ohm window line and a usable match for a 4:1 balun. Modeling is a wonderful way to experiment with the design. You can play with loop circumference and the window line and coax lengths to optimize the SWR across the bands. We use these regularly at field day and only need a tuner on 80M. --- Chuck, AE4CW ----- --- Chuck, AE4CW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/80-Meter-loop-question-tp7615830p7615851.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rhulett1 at consolidated.net Sat Apr 2 17:20:30 2016 From: rhulett1 at consolidated.net (Curt) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 16:20:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 (still) a classic! Message-ID: I got K1-4 s/n 2258 (40, 30, 20, 15) out of the drawer yesterday, hadn't used it in about a year. With wire antenna on 30M, QSO with AL at 1W. Then on 15M, QSO with FL at 5, 1, and 0.1W (!). Then ragchew with op in CA using 5W. His yagi helped no doubt. Had forgotten what a fun, capable radio the K1 is, too bad the 4-band filters are no longer available. 72 Curt KB5JO From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 17:22:05 2016 From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 14:22:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadaptor In-Reply-To: <000901d18d1e$4c602640$e52072c0$@com> References: <000901d18d1e$4c602640$e52072c0$@com> Message-ID: I'll echo what everyone has said about using the waterfall. Pretty much just maximize the area of the waterfall display to the extent the P3 will let you. Then S&P is a matter of hopping from trace to trace, and you don't miss the ones you would be missing by tuning past them without the display. Finding a space is easier too. I like a Span of 10 for RTTY. At that size you can see plenty of signals and with practice you can even use the P3 as a tuning aid to tune in the signal when it reappears. 73 jeff wk6i On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 1:29 PM, wrote: > I added the P3 panadaptor to my K3S line this year I have used it twice - > in the CW WPX RTTY contest and in last weekend's WPX Phone contest. I have > not found any use for it (in contesting) other than to tell me that the > band > segment is fill of signals, which I already knew. I did not notice any > obviously quiet frequencies that would be good to CQ on, nor can I tell > when > a big pileup occurs on a new potential multiplier. What is the secret to > using a P3 during major contests? > > John KK9A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wk6i.jeff at gmail.com > -- Jeff Stai ~ wk6i.jeff at gmail.com Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ Facebook ~ http://www.facebook.com/twistedoak From rdarlington at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 17:27:21 2016 From: rdarlington at gmail.com (Bob Darlington) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 15:27:21 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter size In-Reply-To: <57000C72.8070607@mdodd.com> References: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> <57000C72.8070607@mdodd.com> Message-ID: All that room in there or in the external speaker enclosure is perfect for holding a GPSDO for driving the external reference board. -Bob N3XKB On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Mike Dodd wrote: > While eagerly awaiting delivery of my K3s kit on Tuesday, I built a > cardboard mockup of it and the P3 panadapter to see how they will fit on my > desk. > > I was surprised to discover that the screen is the same size as the one in > the PX3 I've been using with the Kx3. Plus, the front panel layout is > essentially the same as the PX3. > > What's inside the P3 that justifies a cabinet 7X larger than the PX3? > > I don't see any interior photos in the P3 owner's manual, and I can't > locate a P3 kit assembly manual on Elecraft's website. Does anyone have a > link to the assembly manual? > > Thanks for any info. > > -- > 73, Mike N4CF > Louisa County, VA USA > Elecraft KX3 + KXPA100 @ 100W > Elecraft PX3 panadapter > Carolina Windom up 45' > http://n4cf.mdodd.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rdarlington at gmail.com > From dave at nk7z.net Sat Apr 2 17:31:23 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2016 14:31:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadaptor In-Reply-To: <000901d18d1e$4c602640$e52072c0$@com> References: <000901d18d1e$4c602640$e52072c0$@com> Message-ID: <1459632683.18040.92.camel@nk7z.net> Hi John, Set your Span to 10 KHz., then go looking at the pileups for either of the DX operations that are out there now... Offset the center to the side, and look at the people calling the DX station... Watch the traces as the DX station answers callers, you will see the people he is answering sending the confirm... ?Tune your transmit to that freq, maybe slightly lower, and call when he asks... You are looking for who he called, and are looking to see what he is doing... ?For instance, if the DX is slowly walking up the band, you can pre position yourself in the next clear spot above last station he worked... ?I get most of my answers by doing this... You can also see where the holes are, where no one is calling and position yourself there... I honestly could not imagine using the rig without a P3... ?I have a friend that has a K3 and no P3, and it is almost impossible to use now for me... ?I could go back, but I would be kicking all the way, it really is that useful once you get it know it... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sat, 2016-04-02 at 16:29 -0400, john at kk9a.com wrote: > I added the P3 panadaptor to my K3S line this year??I have used it > twice - > in the CW WPX RTTY contest and in last weekend's WPX Phone contest. I > have > not found any use for it (in contesting) other than to tell me that > the band > segment is fill of signals, which I already knew. I did not notice > any > obviously quiet frequencies that would be good to CQ on, nor can I > tell when > a big pileup occurs on a new potential multiplier.??What is the > secret to > using a P3 during major contests? > > John KK9A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Apr 2 18:00:03 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 15:00:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 80 Meter loop question In-Reply-To: <1459632027621-7615851.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> <1459632027621-7615851.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570040E3.1070702@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,4/2/2016 2:20 PM, Chuck - AE4CW wrote: > Properly > sized and fed, they offer well under 2:1 SWR within all the HF bands with > the exception of 60M and 30M and perhaps 80M depending on the installed > height. BUT -- remember that SWR is NOT a measure of antenna PERFORMANCE -- that is, how strong is the signal that it radiates, and the DESIRED angles, both vertical and horizontal. MANY antennas that have low SWR are lousy antennas! 73, Jim K9YC From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Sat Apr 2 18:16:49 2016 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 15:16:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] 80 Meter loop question In-Reply-To: <570040E3.1070702@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> <1459632027621-7615851.post@n2.nabble.com> <570040E3.1070702@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1459635409870-7615857.post@n2.nabble.com> I've been using an 80 m horizontal loop for as long as I have had my license, about 15 years. It's a bit irregular with two supports on my house and three in trees, height is 7-12 meters. I feed it with open wire feeder to an indoor Elecraft 4:1 balun and then use the tuner of the K2 or K3 to match it to the transceiver. I've done 8-bands CW/digital DXCC, 80 - 10 m, with the loop as the work horse. My decision at the time I put it up was very much based on the simulations that L. B. Cebik, W4RNL published. His articles are kind of hard to find on the internet now, but his best ones that I have on my hard disk are: Horizontally Oriented, Horizontally Polarized Large Wire Loop Antennas My Top Five Backyard Multi-Band Wire HF Antennas Notes on All-Band Use of Horizontal-Plane Loops Horizontal Wire Loops How Big? How High? What Shape? These articles answer most questions on directional performance as well as impedance and SWR. 73 ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/80-Meter-loop-question-tp7615830p7615857.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sat Apr 2 18:18:05 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2016 14:18:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] RE KE: issue with installation of K3EXREF interface Message-ID: <201604022218.u32MI6LX009189@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Jim, Take a look at the photos of my EXREF installation: http://www.kl7uw.com/K3EXREF.htm in particular the sma cable in photo one showing components of the kit, and the photo at the bottom showing it installed in the radio (case off). You can see the brass compression ferrule. That holds the shield of the coax in contact to the connector so with it broken off you may not have a good RF ground connection with the coax. That would result in 10-MHz not reaching the EXREF board at high enough level. Pretty much the same effect as not having the sma connector threaded on tight enough. Why the ferrule broke could be either you overtightened the nut holding the sma connector to the back panel or more likely the cable twisted while trying to tighten the nut. How did you hold the back of the connector when installing the nut? You probably need to replace the cable assy but talk with Elecraft first. 73, Ed - KL7UW PS: sorry the other photos are blurry. ------------------------- From: "Jim Spears" To: Subject: [Elecraft] KE: issue with installation of K3EXREF interface While installing the K3EXREF SMA-TMP cable, I ran into an interesting issue which I do not yet know if it is a problem or just interesting. There is a ferrule or something similar over the cable where it attaches to the SMA fitting that is installed on the back panel. while tightening the hex nut down, I must have torqued something as the ferrule broke into two pieces and fell off. I finished off the installation and verified that the GPSDO does provide a suitable 10 MHz signal into the radio. So the question becomes: is this interesting or a problem? I took a close look and the problem might be improper grounding of the shield to the chassis at the SMA connector end. If it is deemed to be a potential problem, I can request a new cable from support. It will not take long to replace the cable. Jim/N1NK 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From mike at ab9v.us Sat Apr 2 17:58:34 2016 From: mike at ab9v.us (Mike Cox) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 17:58:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KE: issue with installation of K3EXREF interface In-Reply-To: <027f01d18d1c$8de52360$a9af6a20$@cox.net> References: <027f01d18d1c$8de52360$a9af6a20$@cox.net> Message-ID: <5700408A.4000108@ab9v.us> Mine broke off too. It appeared for be a crimped ferrule but it split and fell off as though it were already fractured. I carefully soldered the coax braid to the connector to maintain the electrical connection. I was careful not to overheat and melt the dielectric of the coax which could have shorted the center conductor to the shell. It's working well! Mike, AB9V On 4/2/2016 16:16 PM, Jim Spears wrote: > While installing the K3EXREF SMA-TMP cable, I ran into an interesting issue > which I do not yet know if it is a problem or just interesting. > > > > There is a ferrule or something similar over the cable where it attaches to > the SMA fitting that is installed on the back panel. while tightening the > hex nut down, I must have torqued something as the ferrule broke into two > pieces and fell off. I finished off the installation and verified that the > GPSDO does provide a suitable 10 MHz signal into the radio. > > > > So the question becomes: is this interesting or a problem? I took a close > look and the problem might be improper grounding of the shield to the > chassis at the SMA connector end. > > > > If it is deemed to be a potential problem, I can request a new cable from > support. It will not take long to replace the cable. > > > > Jim/N1NK > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mike at ab9v.us From jm416 at optonline.net Sat Apr 2 18:46:04 2016 From: jm416 at optonline.net (John W2XS) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 15:46:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Service, Don, and Parts Kudos Message-ID: <1459637164915-7615860.post@n2.nabble.com> Forgive me for posting yet another message about the quality of service from Elecraft, but I wanted to share the events of this week. The whole thing happened so fast that my head is still spinning. First, I sent an email to Don asking a question about the power connector pins. I quickly received a response which was helpful and pointed me to the K3 support address. I sent an email to K3 support and a few minutes later it was answered by Howard. He advised exactly how to get the parts. I sent an email to Parts and immediately got an automatic reply that my email had been received. Very shortly after that I received an email from Richard saying that the parts were on the way. I responded back with a thank you. He responded back with a "no problem." That was on Thursday. Today is Saturday and the parts arrived this morning. I just wanted to say: thanks, guys, for the great support. By the way, my K3 is from 2008 and has been running fine all these years. I like to keep it up-to-date with all hardware and firmware upgrades. Now back to fighting for FT43A on 17m. My P3 shows that the pileup is 20 kHz wide! 73, John W2XS K1 (S/N 2191) w/all options. KX1 (S/N 015) w/KXPD1, KXAT1, KXB30 (the one reviwed in QST) K2 (S/N 1116) w/KAT2, KSB2, K160RX, KIO2, KBT2, KNB2, KAF2, FDIMP Drake T4-X (S/N 11116) K3/100 (S/N 919) w/KAT3, KBPF3, KUSB, KFL3A-200, 500, 2.7k, 6k, 13k, KRX3, PR6-10, K3SYNA, KXV3 P3 (S/N 476) HexKey (S/N 113 ) DL1, BL1, BL2, N-gen, XG1, W1, BNC-MM plus: NC-40A and SST-40 (Waynes's early creations) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Service-Don-and-Parts-Kudos-tp7615860.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ron at cobi.biz Sat Apr 2 18:52:03 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 15:52:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KE: issue with installation of K3EXREF interface In-Reply-To: <5700408A.4000108@ab9v.us> References: <027f01d18d1c$8de52360$a9af6a20$@cox.net> <5700408A.4000108@ab9v.us> Message-ID: <000501d18d32$469758a0$d3c609e0$@biz> Were you only holding the nut while tightening and the ferrule cracked? That is the first case I've heard of in the 5 years the K3EXREF option has been shipped so it's possible there's an issue with some units, especially since there are two cases. I'm curious because we might need to alter the procedure in the manual a bit if it's something happening during installation. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Cox Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 2:59 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KE: issue with installation of K3EXREF interface Mine broke off too. It appeared for be a crimped ferrule but it split and fell off as though it were already fractured. I carefully soldered the coax braid to the connector to maintain the electrical connection. I was careful not to overheat and melt the dielectric of the coax which could have shorted the center conductor to the shell. It's working well! Mike, AB9V On 4/2/2016 16:16 PM, Jim Spears wrote: > While installing the K3EXREF SMA-TMP cable, I ran into an interesting > issue which I do not yet know if it is a problem or just interesting. > > > > There is a ferrule or something similar over the cable where it > attaches to the SMA fitting that is installed on the back panel. > while tightening the hex nut down, I must have torqued something as > the ferrule broke into two pieces and fell off. I finished off the > installation and verified that the GPSDO does provide a suitable 10 MHz signal into the radio. > > > > So the question becomes: is this interesting or a problem? I took a close > look and the problem might be improper grounding of the shield to the > chassis at the SMA connector end. > > > > If it is deemed to be a potential problem, I can request a new cable > from support. It will not take long to replace the cable. > > > > Jim/N1NK > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mike at ab9v.us ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Apr 2 19:06:52 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 19:06:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KE: issue with installation of K3EXREF interface In-Reply-To: <000501d18d32$469758a0$d3c609e0$@biz> References: <027f01d18d1c$8de52360$a9af6a20$@cox.net> <5700408A.4000108@ab9v.us> <000501d18d32$469758a0$d3c609e0$@biz> Message-ID: <5700508C.2000008@embarqmail.com> One "trick" that I have adopted when tightening chassis mount BNC and SMA female connectors is to put a mating connector on the outside of the connector. That mating connector can be held tightly with pliers or a wrench without damage to the female connector that you are trying to tighten, and you can secure the nut with a wrench. The mating connector may or may not have coax connected to it - that makes no difference. The other thing that is often shown in manuals which is IMHO incorrect is that the star washer should go between the grounding lug and the chassis so the teeth of the star washer bite tightly into the metal of the chassis as well as into the grounding lug - assuring a good ground path. Another plus for the latter star washer positioning is that once the star washer begins to 'bite', the grounding lug is not apt to turn as you secure the nut. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/2/2016 6:52 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Were you only holding the nut while tightening and the ferrule cracked? > > That is the first case I've heard of in the 5 years the K3EXREF option has > been shipped so it's possible there's an issue with some units, especially > since there are two cases. > > I'm curious because we might need to alter the procedure in the manual a bit > if it's something happening during installation. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike > Cox > Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 2:59 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KE: issue with installation of K3EXREF interface > > Mine broke off too. It appeared for be a crimped ferrule but it split and > fell off as though it were already fractured. I carefully soldered the coax > braid to the connector to maintain the electrical connection. I was careful > not to overheat and melt the dielectric of the coax which could have shorted > the center conductor to the shell. It's working well! > > Mike, AB9V > > On 4/2/2016 16:16 PM, Jim Spears wrote: >> While installing the K3EXREF SMA-TMP cable, I ran into an interesting >> issue which I do not yet know if it is a problem or just interesting. >> >> >> >> There is a ferrule or something similar over the cable where it >> attaches to the SMA fitting that is installed on the back panel. >> while tightening the hex nut down, I must have torqued something as >> the ferrule broke into two pieces and fell off. I finished off the >> installation and verified that the GPSDO does provide a suitable 10 MHz > signal into the radio. >> >> >> So the question becomes: is this interesting or a problem? I took a > close >> look and the problem might be improper grounding of the shield to the >> chassis at the SMA connector end. >> >> >> >> If it is deemed to be a potential problem, I can request a new cable >> from support. It will not take long to replace the cable. >> >> >> >> Jim/N1NK >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mike at ab9v.us > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From mike at ve3yf.com Sat Apr 2 19:20:13 2016 From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2016 23:20:13 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Incredible Receiver Message-ID: Pete: I haven't been so lucky working VK0EK, but I haven't put in loads of time either. I must agree with you though, I had a pair of Yaesu FT-2000's and upgraded to the K3's and no comparison in receivers, the FT-2000 is deaf compared to the K3. ?Like you said though, the K3 simply amazes me. Glad i made the changeover and will never look back.... 73 De Mike VE3YF http://www.ve3yf.com [http://www.ve3yf.com/] From ron at cobi.biz Sat Apr 2 19:33:02 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 16:33:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KE: issue with installation of K3EXREF interface In-Reply-To: <5700508C.2000008@embarqmail.com> References: <027f01d18d1c$8de52360$a9af6a20$@cox.net> <5700408A.4000108@ab9v.us> <000501d18d32$469758a0$d3c609e0$@biz> <5700508C.2000008@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <000901d18d38$002fc270$008f4750$@biz> Don, in this case the lock washer would jam into the opening for the connector. If you look at the setup in the manual you'll see that panel hole is oversized and the engineers put an o-ring on the connector that centers it in the hole. The inside surface of the panel is masked to provide good contact with a large flat washer that goes against the rear panel opening and provides a good surface for the nut and lock washer that secures the connector to bear against. The connector has a hex cut on the inside ferrule. Tightening is done with a wrench or pliers on the nut outside while holding the hex cut ferrule on the inside to keep it from turning. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 4:07 PM To: Ron D'Eau Claire; 'Mike Cox'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KE: issue with installation of K3EXREF interface One "trick" that I have adopted when tightening chassis mount BNC and SMA female connectors is to put a mating connector on the outside of the connector. That mating connector can be held tightly with pliers or a wrench without damage to the female connector that you are trying to tighten, and you can secure the nut with a wrench. The mating connector may or may not have coax connected to it - that makes no difference. The other thing that is often shown in manuals which is IMHO incorrect is that the star washer should go between the grounding lug and the chassis so the teeth of the star washer bite tightly into the metal of the chassis as well as into the grounding lug - assuring a good ground path. Another plus for the latter star washer positioning is that once the star washer begins to 'bite', the grounding lug is not apt to turn as you secure the nut. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/2/2016 6:52 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Were you only holding the nut while tightening and the ferrule cracked? > > That is the first case I've heard of in the 5 years the K3EXREF option > has been shipped so it's possible there's an issue with some units, > especially since there are two cases. > > I'm curious because we might need to alter the procedure in the manual > a bit if it's something happening during installation. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Mike Cox > Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 2:59 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KE: issue with installation of K3EXREF > interface > > Mine broke off too. It appeared for be a crimped ferrule but it split > and fell off as though it were already fractured. I carefully soldered > the coax braid to the connector to maintain the electrical connection. > I was careful not to overheat and melt the dielectric of the coax > which could have shorted the center conductor to the shell. It's working well! > > Mike, AB9V > > On 4/2/2016 16:16 PM, Jim Spears wrote: >> While installing the K3EXREF SMA-TMP cable, I ran into an interesting >> issue which I do not yet know if it is a problem or just interesting. >> >> >> >> There is a ferrule or something similar over the cable where it >> attaches to the SMA fitting that is installed on the back panel. >> while tightening the hex nut down, I must have torqued something as >> the ferrule broke into two pieces and fell off. I finished off the >> installation and verified that the GPSDO does provide a suitable 10 >> MHz > signal into the radio. >> >> >> So the question becomes: is this interesting or a problem? I took a > close >> look and the problem might be improper grounding of the shield to the >> chassis at the SMA connector end. >> >> >> >> If it is deemed to be a potential problem, I can request a new cable >> from support. It will not take long to replace the cable. >> >> >> >> Jim/N1NK >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> mike at ab9v.us > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > ron at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sat Apr 2 19:41:59 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 19:41:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite and new video! Message-ID: <0B14140361D94460B8ED047A074A917F@tomsPC> Hello, There is a new release of Win4K3Suite. This release adds crosshairs for the P3 video display. In addition, there is now support for additional video capture boards such as the Epiphan VGA to USB capture device as well as a number of other capture devices. There is now also a new video on Youtube which provides an up to date overview of Win4K3Suite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0IoU Win4K3Suite is a complete control program for the Elecraft radios and suite of products. It includes support for video capture boards and the P3, a built in panadapter for the KX3 and K3/K3S with LPPAN. It also has a built in comport router that allows use by ANY four programs simultaneously with the Elecraft radios. It supports remote operations and fully integrates with the Remote Rig products as well as the Microham products. Fully contest proven and rock solid. There is a free 30 day trial available at va2fsq.com. If you have tried it in the past and would like to try it again please drop me an email for an evaluation extension. 73 Tom --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From mike at mdodd.com Sat Apr 2 19:48:01 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 19:48:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadaptor In-Reply-To: <000901d18d1e$4c602640$e52072c0$@com> References: <000901d18d1e$4c602640$e52072c0$@com> Message-ID: <57005A31.8080400@mdodd.com> On 4/2/2016 4:29 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > What is the secret to > using a P3 during major contests? I'll echo what others have said about finding signals for S&P, and I'll also add that I use it for locating and tuning RTTY signals. It takes a bit of practice to get used to tuning the twin peaks to the offset cursor, not the center line, but I find it _very_ helpful for RTTY. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft KX3 + KXPA100 @ 100W Elecraft PX3 panadapter Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Apr 2 19:50:44 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 19:50:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KE: issue with installation of K3EXREF interface In-Reply-To: <000901d18d38$002fc270$008f4750$@biz> References: <027f01d18d1c$8de52360$a9af6a20$@cox.net> <5700408A.4000108@ab9v.us> <000501d18d32$469758a0$d3c609e0$@biz> <5700508C.2000008@embarqmail.com> <000901d18d38$002fc270$008f4750$@biz> Message-ID: <57005AD4.1000009@embarqmail.com> Ron, OK on the SMA connectors. I have seen several types. Some are similar the the BNC chassis mount while others have a "nut" on the outside that one can grasp with a wrench (and makes my suggestion of screwing on a mating connector a moot point). I do believe my points about using a male connector to provide something for pliers to grasp as well as the star lockwasher placement are valid points for the chassis mount BNC as well as for *some* SMA connector applications. I did not check the exact SMA connector for the K3/S EXT REF SMA connector before responding, and it has been a while since I have installed one. My comments were general and apply only to those BNC and SMA connectors that fasten directly to the chassis. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/2/2016 7:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Don, in this case the lock washer would jam into the opening for the > connector. If you look at the setup in the manual you'll see that panel hole > is oversized and the engineers put an o-ring on the connector that centers > it in the hole. The inside surface of the panel is masked to provide good > contact with a large flat washer that goes against the rear panel opening > and provides a good surface for the nut and lock washer that secures the > connector to bear against. > > The connector has a hex cut on the inside ferrule. Tightening is done with a > wrench or pliers on the nut outside while holding the hex cut ferrule on the > inside to keep it from turning. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > From n1eu.barry at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 20:14:30 2016 From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 00:14:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Strong recommendation: MFJ 18xx-series single-band whips for KX3, etc. In-Reply-To: <2B29826C-02A4-4428-9A02-37747701C0F1@elecraft.com> References: <2B29826C-02A4-4428-9A02-37747701C0F1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: If anyone else out there has an MFJ-1820T and also an antenna analyzer, I wonder if you could please do me a favor. Please just connect the whip directly to the analyzer and tell me what the SWR looks like across the 20M and the 17M bands. I swept my MFJ-1820T with my Rig Expert AA-30 and my MFJ-1820T is resonant on 17M, not 20M. I'm wondering if I have a mislabeled MFJ-1817T. Thanks & 73, Barry N1EU On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:12 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been using an MFJ-1820T telescoping 20-meter whip for a few months. > Considering its length (48"), results have been excellent. I typically use > it with the KX3 on a picnic table at 15 W (with an external battery), or > hand-held at 3 to 5 W (internal battery). > > During the ARRL DX contest I worked many countries in CW and RTTY modes, > and have also had a number of longer QSOs on 20-meter SSB. Of course at > these power levels, with an electrically short whip, good band conditions > can't hurt. > > I prefer a 25' or so wire-in-a-tree antenna when there's time. But when I > need a quick deployment antenna that weighs very little, I pull out the > 1820T. Note that you *must* use at least one counterpose wire. More than > one helps, but all of the QSOs I described were made with a single 13'-long > wire laid out on the ground. With no ground wire, you'll be down some 15 to > 20 dB in transmit mode. > > Since the 20-meter results were so good, I also bought the whips for 40, > 17, 15, and 10 meters. 40 meters is a rough ride at 48", but I was still > able to check into daytime SSB nets all over the west coast running 10 W. > On the higher bands, results improve as you go higher in frequency. I > worked a few JAs on 15 meter SSB running just 1 watt. > > A traditional problem with such antennas is that the the SWR can sometimes > be unexpectedly high, requiring that you micro-adjust the telescoping > length and/or adjust the length of the counterpoise wire. This is > completely unnecessary if you have an auto-tuner available. In particular, > the KX3's ATU can quickly match any of these whips over their full target > band. In a pinch the ATU can also match a given whip on adjacent bands. In > the DX contest mentioned I tuned up the 20-meter whip on 17 and 15 meters > as well, and made a few Q's there, despite the losses due to off-resonance > operation. > > These whips can handle a surprising amount of power. They're rated to 25 > W, but I ran 50 W through the 20-meter version for several minutes without > damaging it. Some other compact whips I've tried overheated quickly even at > 10 W, including some of the Maldol models. When this happens, the SWR goes > up and stays up until the coil cools down. > > Caveat: Always use a full-size antenna when possible. But if you've just > crested a new hill and only have a couple of minutes to see if the RF > really is greener on the other side, this is an excellent choice. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1eu.barry at gmail.com > From cautery at montac.com Sat Apr 2 20:16:03 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 19:16:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 80 Meter loop question In-Reply-To: <570004E7.2060205@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> <570004E7.2060205@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <570060C3.9050608@montac.com> Thanks Jim... I've got 4NEC2, but haven't had the time to jump on that particular learning curve. I plan to invest in the pay version, may be EZNEC 5.0, I don't remember. But I'm drinking from several fire hoses at the moment. Soon, I hope... ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 4/2/2016 12:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sat,4/2/2016 6:45 AM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Does anyone have any information or a link to information data on an >> 80 meter loop's complex impedance and VSWR values across the HF bands? > > It's pretty easy to model with NEC, which yields this data in the form > a plot of VSWR vs frequency with data points as closely spaced as you > choose. Move the cursor to each data point and you'll see complex Z. > > I've learned a lot from using NEC, not only to design antennas but > also to learn from the results of the model, changing variables, etc. > > 4NEC2 is free and quite powerful. I use EZNEC 5.0 because I find the > UI easier to relate to, but it costs money. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From vetterestorer at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 21:18:46 2016 From: vetterestorer at gmail.com (Richard Collier) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 18:18:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 80 Meter loop question In-Reply-To: <570060C3.9050608@montac.com> References: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> <570004E7.2060205@audiosystemsgroup.com> <570060C3.9050608@montac.com> Message-ID: <75c5292b-a2c8-e951-9d0a-67d99f2af129@gmail.com> In my opinion, conditions such as soil conductivity , slope, orientation, height, obstacles, metal structures, length of feed line etc. vary so much it is almost worth just putting it up without getting too deep into modeling. I definitely would model it, I modeled mine and then just threw it up thinking it may not work a few bands. But, after trimming it to 3.515 (my magic number, at my location), the K3 tuner can tune it everywhere except 160 meters. Mine is a irregular triangle of sorts with the point at 90 to 95 feet in a pine tree and the bottom horizontal wire at about 50 feet. It is somewhere between horizontal and vertical (the other two tree tie-offs are at about 50 feet) and fed about 15' up one side. I run 120 feet or so (I trimmed it a couple of times) of 450 ohm ladder line into a high power 1 to 1 current balun outside of my shack and a 3' piece of high quality coax to my tuner. This loop beats my 3 element Cushcraft triband at 45' on the high bands about 80% of the time and has exceeded my expectations on 40 and 80. Keep in mind it does not have the back or side rejection of the triband beam on the high bands. FWIW, I did try to orientate it so the the modeled lobes pointed in desirable directions on the low bands. For example, one of the lobes on 40 meters should be pointed to Europe. It does work well to Europe from the West Coast. Richard >>> Does anyone have any information or a link to information data on an >>> 80 meter loop's complex impedance and VSWR values across the HF bands? From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Apr 2 21:19:19 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 21:19:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter size In-Reply-To: <57000C72.8070607@mdodd.com> References: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> <57000C72.8070607@mdodd.com> Message-ID: <9E88FE15-179A-434E-B9B0-55D9B1E345EE@widomaker.com> It's on the web site. But the P3 is the same height and depth as the K3. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 2, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Mike Dodd wrote: > > While eagerly awaiting delivery of my K3s kit on Tuesday, I built a cardboard mockup of it and the P3 panadapter to see how they will fit on my desk. > > I was surprised to discover that the screen is the same size as the one in the PX3 I've been using with the Kx3. Plus, the front panel layout is essentially the same as the PX3. > > What's inside the P3 that justifies a cabinet 7X larger than the PX3? > > I don't see any interior photos in the P3 owner's manual, and I can't locate a P3 kit assembly manual on Elecraft's website. Does anyone have a link to the assembly manual? > > Thanks for any info. > > -- > 73, Mike N4CF > Louisa County, VA USA > Elecraft KX3 + KXPA100 @ 100W > Elecraft PX3 panadapter > Carolina Windom up 45' > http://n4cf.mdodd.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From w5sum at comcast.net Sat Apr 2 21:32:07 2016 From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 20:32:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 80 Meter loop question In-Reply-To: <75c5292b-a2c8-e951-9d0a-67d99f2af129@gmail.com> References: <56FFCCFF.6080500@montac.com> <570004E7.2060205@audiosystemsgroup.com> <570060C3.9050608@montac.com> <75c5292b-a2c8-e951-9d0a-67d99f2af129@gmail.com> Message-ID: <06D722AD-E861-4E8D-BE19-21056741986E@comcast.net> Thank you Richard! My thoughts exactly! Just pitch your loop up in the air and USE IT instead of trying to complicate it! My 75m loops is skewed all over the place, one side is lower than the other, one side sags, oh and one more thing, I've worked 289 countries with it!! W5sum Sent from Ronnie's IPhone > On Apr 2, 2016, at 20:18, Richard Collier wrote: > > In my opinion, conditions such as soil conductivity , slope, orientation, height, obstacles, metal structures, length of feed line etc. vary so much it is almost worth just putting it up without getting too deep into modeling. I definitely would model it, I modeled mine and then just threw it up thinking it may not work a few bands. But, after trimming it to 3.515 (my magic number, at my location), the K3 tuner can tune it everywhere except 160 meters. Mine is a irregular triangle of sorts with the point at 90 to 95 feet in a pine tree and the bottom horizontal wire at about 50 feet. It is somewhere between horizontal and vertical (the other two tree tie-offs are at about 50 feet) and fed about 15' up one side. I run 120 feet or so (I trimmed it a couple of times) of 450 ohm ladder line into a high power 1 to 1 current balun outside of my shack and a 3' piece of high quality coax to my tuner. This loop beats my 3 element Cushcraft triband at 45' on the high bands about 80% of the time and has exceeded my expectations on 40 and 80. Keep in mind it does not have the back or side rejection of the triband beam on the high bands. > > FWIW, I did try to orientate it so the the modeled lobes pointed in desirable directions on the low bands. For example, one of the lobes on 40 meters should be pointed to Europe. It does work well to Europe from the West Coast. > > Richard > >>>> Does anyone have any information or a link to information data on an >>>> 80 meter loop's complex impedance and VSWR values across the HF bands? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w5sum at comcast.net From dj0qn at gmx.net Sat Apr 2 22:34:02 2016 From: dj0qn at gmx.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mitch_Wolfson=2c_DJ=c3=98QN_/_K7DX?=) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 22:34:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for 13 KHz Filter In-Reply-To: <56EC4164.2070403@gmx.net> References: <56EC4164.2070403@gmx.net> Message-ID: <5700811A.6050508@gmx.net> If anyone has a spare 13 KHz filter available, please mail me direct. Thanks & 73, Mitch K7DX / DJ0QN Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109 Skype: mitchwo USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171 Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Apr 2 22:38:25 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 19:38:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" In-Reply-To: <2102499955.1371216.1459624944200.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <003f01d18d08$2888e510$799aaf30$@biz> <2102499955.1371216.1459624944200.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57008221.5020804@triconet.org> Jeeze, that's QRP. My Elmer was a neighbor, Lee, W7UVR. Before SSB he ran a 4-1000A high-level modulated in his mobile. I can assure you that there weren't any toilet tank balls on his antennas. The need for those is IMHO, an old wives tale. After SSB, the 4-1000 ran as a linear. There was 5KW of generator and while stationary, the mini-beam was blown up to 30' above the roof. The mobile in motion antennas were a pair of whips, with remotely (driver's seat) motor tuned vacuum variables and silver-plated edge-wound inductors in the matching networks The car was a '55 Mercury station wagon with a bored and stroked '56 Lincoln engine and a truck rear axle and springs. There was one extra leaf in the spring under the side with the pole pig HV and modulation transformers. There is some more about him (which is a repeat of what I wrote) under "High Power Mobile" at http://www.k0bg.com/yesteryear.html and photos here: http://www.k0bg.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1039 As to the question about where the wife sat, there was no wife. On 4/2/2016 12:22 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > Yep, and I remember HWL running the ART13 and blew the poorly mounted SS tip off the whip at a convention. That makes me older than dirt..... > > Mel, K6KBE > > From n5lz at comcast.net Sat Apr 2 22:52:47 2016 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 20:52:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Strong recommendation: MFJ 18xx-series single-band whips for KX3, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <2B29826C-02A4-4428-9A02-37747701C0F1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <004c01d18d53$e7b64860$b722d920$@net> You may be right Barry ... it may be mislabeled ... there can't be much chance of a real 20M whip resonating on 17 ... .... FWIW I've had a full set of the MFJ whips for several years and did SWR testing on each one when I first got them .... but I did not connect them directly to my Rig Expert analyzer ... I had built a stand alone aluminum base with a BNC connector for the whips and wingnuts for attaching counterpoise wires so I did my testing in that configuration My 20 meter whip is resonant at 14.400 .... and runs from 1.2:1 at the top of the band to 2.2:1 at 14.025 My 17 meter whip is even better ... resonant at 17.900 ... but tests at 1.2:1 all through the band All of my high band whips are usable (10, 12, 15, 17, and 20) .... but my 30, 40 and 80 whips have never worked well ... the 80 resonates at 3.350 ... and SWR is at infinity throughout the band .... my 40 resonates at 6.800 ... and my 30 resonates at 9.700 ..... all my testing was done with the whips fully extended .... I figure if I shorten them I will essentially be turning them into non-radiating dummy loads.. I personally do not like to attach the whips directly to my KX3 ... it feels to me that they're putting too much torque on the BNC connector and the antenna seems like it weighs almost as much as the radio .... which is why I made the aluminum base ... But I later bought a CrankIR vertical which has become my "Go To" portable antenna ... so the MFJ whips have been retired to a box in the shack... Don, N5LZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry N1EU Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 6:15 PM To: Elecraft Reflector; KX3 at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Strong recommendation: MFJ 18xx-series single-band whips for KX3, etc. If anyone else out there has an MFJ-1820T and also an antenna analyzer, I wonder if you could please do me a favor. Please just connect the whip directly to the analyzer and tell me what the SWR looks like across the 20M and the 17M bands. I swept my MFJ-1820T with my Rig Expert AA-30 and my MFJ-1820T is resonant on 17M, not 20M. I'm wondering if I have a mislabeled MFJ-1817T. Thanks & 73, Barry N1EU On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:12 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been using an MFJ-1820T telescoping 20-meter whip for a few months. > Considering its length (48"), results have been excellent. I typically > use it with the KX3 on a picnic table at 15 W (with an external > battery), or hand-held at 3 to 5 W (internal battery). > > During the ARRL DX contest I worked many countries in CW and RTTY > modes, and have also had a number of longer QSOs on 20-meter SSB. Of > course at these power levels, with an electrically short whip, good > band conditions can't hurt. > > I prefer a 25' or so wire-in-a-tree antenna when there's time. But > when I need a quick deployment antenna that weighs very little, I pull > out the 1820T. Note that you *must* use at least one counterpose wire. > More than one helps, but all of the QSOs I described were made with a > single 13'-long wire laid out on the ground. With no ground wire, > you'll be down some 15 to > 20 dB in transmit mode. > > Since the 20-meter results were so good, I also bought the whips for > 40, 17, 15, and 10 meters. 40 meters is a rough ride at 48", but I was > still able to check into daytime SSB nets all over the west coast running 10 W. > On the higher bands, results improve as you go higher in frequency. I > worked a few JAs on 15 meter SSB running just 1 watt. > > A traditional problem with such antennas is that the the SWR can > sometimes be unexpectedly high, requiring that you micro-adjust the > telescoping length and/or adjust the length of the counterpoise wire. > This is completely unnecessary if you have an auto-tuner available. In > particular, the KX3's ATU can quickly match any of these whips over > their full target band. In a pinch the ATU can also match a given whip > on adjacent bands. In the DX contest mentioned I tuned up the 20-meter > whip on 17 and 15 meters as well, and made a few Q's there, despite > the losses due to off-resonance operation. > > These whips can handle a surprising amount of power. They're rated to > 25 W, but I ran 50 W through the 20-meter version for several minutes > without damaging it. Some other compact whips I've tried overheated > quickly even at > 10 W, including some of the Maldol models. When this happens, the SWR > goes up and stays up until the coil cools down. > > Caveat: Always use a full-size antenna when possible. But if you've > just crested a new hill and only have a couple of minutes to see if > the RF really is greener on the other side, this is an excellent choice. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n1eu.barry at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n5lz at comcast.net From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Apr 2 23:00:50 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 20:00:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 80 Meter loop question In-Reply-To: <801179969.1334998.1459624809718.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <570004E7.2060205@audiosystemsgroup.com> <801179969.1334998.1459624809718.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57008762.7070805@triconet.org> If you're not using Dan's (AC6LA) AutoEZ program as a front end to Eznec, you don't know what you're missing. On 4/2/2016 12:20 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > I agree, I use ver 5 also. Easier to move stuff around. Once you try modelling you will find it consumes an incredible amount of your time, but FUN. > > Mel, K6KBE > > > From: Jim Brown > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 80 Meter loop question > > On Sat,4/2/2016 6:45 AM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Does anyone have any information or a link to information data on an 80 meter loop's complex impedance and VSWR values across the HF bands? > It's pretty easy to model with NEC, which yields this data in the form a > plot of VSWR vs frequency with data points as closely spaced as you > choose. Move the cursor to each data point and you'll see complex Z. > > I've learned a lot from using NEC, not only to design antennas but also > to learn from the results of the model, changing variables, etc. > > 4NEC2 is free and quite powerful. I use EZNEC 5.0 because I find the UI > easier to relate to, but it costs money. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > > 73, Jim K9YC > From ron at cobi.biz Sat Apr 2 23:16:59 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 20:16:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KE: issue with installation of K3EXREF interface In-Reply-To: <57005AD4.1000009@embarqmail.com> References: <027f01d18d1c$8de52360$a9af6a20$@cox.net> <5700408A.4000108@ab9v.us> <000501d18d32$469758a0$d3c609e0$@biz> <5700508C.2000008@embarqmail.com> <000901d18d38$002fc270$008f4750$@biz> <57005AD4.1000009@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <001901d18d57$496286c0$dc279440$@biz> FB Don. Since you were responding to a threat specifically about the K3EXREF SMA I didn't want anyone to think that your comments applied in that case. I, too, usually put a male connector on a female panel mount BNC to hold it while I tighten the inside nut. The SMA in question doesn't work like that. Why those connectors failed is a mystery. I forwarded the info to support so the engineers can do a little head scratching over it, Hi! 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 4:51 PM To: Ron D'Eau Claire; 'Mike Cox'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KE: issue with installation of K3EXREF interface Ron, OK on the SMA connectors. I have seen several types. Some are similar the the BNC chassis mount while others have a "nut" on the outside that one can grasp with a wrench (and makes my suggestion of screwing on a mating connector a moot point). I do believe my points about using a male connector to provide something for pliers to grasp as well as the star lockwasher placement are valid points for the chassis mount BNC as well as for *some* SMA connector applications. I did not check the exact SMA connector for the K3/S EXT REF SMA connector before responding, and it has been a while since I have installed one. My comments were general and apply only to those BNC and SMA connectors that fasten directly to the chassis. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/2/2016 7:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Don, in this case the lock washer would jam into the opening for the > connector. If you look at the setup in the manual you'll see that > panel hole is oversized and the engineers put an o-ring on the > connector that centers it in the hole. The inside surface of the panel > is masked to provide good contact with a large flat washer that goes > against the rear panel opening and provides a good surface for the nut > and lock washer that secures the connector to bear against. > > The connector has a hex cut on the inside ferrule. Tightening is done > with a wrench or pliers on the nut outside while holding the hex cut > ferrule on the inside to keep it from turning. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From n1al at sonic.net Sat Apr 2 23:49:19 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 20:49:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" In-Reply-To: <57008221.5020804@triconet.org> References: <003f01d18d08$2888e510$799aaf30$@biz> <2102499955.1371216.1459624944200.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <57008221.5020804@triconet.org> Message-ID: <570092BF.6060007@sonic.net> Ah yes, K6HWL, "Highway Louie". (His real name was Frank.) He did indeed put a brass toilet ball on the top of his 75 meter mobile antenna after he set some overhanging tree branches on fire from the corona discharge. The loading coil was the size of a small trash can. I ended up with his old Drake L4B linear after he died. You normally don't think to ask if a tube-type KW amplifier has been used mobile! The amp was pretty well trashed, but I was able to get it working again. Alan N1AL On 04/02/2016 07:38 PM, Wes wrote: > Jeeze, that's QRP. > > My Elmer was a neighbor, Lee, W7UVR. Before SSB he ran a 4-1000A > high-level modulated in his mobile. I can assure you that there weren't > any toilet tank balls on his antennas. The need for those is IMHO, an > old wives tale.... > On 4/2/2016 12:22 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: >> Yep, and I remember HWL running the ART13 and blew the poorly mounted >> SS tip off the whip at a convention. That makes me older than dirt..... From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Sun Apr 3 05:34:23 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2016 09:34:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Strong recommendation: MFJ 18xx-series single-band whips for KX3, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <2B29826C-02A4-4428-9A02-37747701C0F1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Did you have a counterpoise when you swept the antenna? If not, you're only looking at half your antenna, especially as the RigExpert is almost all plastic. On Sun, Apr 3, 2016, 01:15 Barry N1EU wrote: > If anyone else out there has an MFJ-1820T and also an antenna analyzer, I > wonder if you could please do me a favor. Please just connect the whip > directly to the analyzer and tell me what the SWR looks like across the 20M > and the 17M bands. > > I swept my MFJ-1820T with my Rig Expert AA-30 and my MFJ-1820T is resonant > on 17M, not 20M. I'm wondering if I have a mislabeled MFJ-1817T. > > Thanks & 73, > Barry N1EU > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:12 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I've been using an MFJ-1820T telescoping 20-meter whip for a few months. > > Considering its length (48"), results have been excellent. I typically > use > > it with the KX3 on a picnic table at 15 W (with an external battery), or > > hand-held at 3 to 5 W (internal battery). > > > > During the ARRL DX contest I worked many countries in CW and RTTY modes, > > and have also had a number of longer QSOs on 20-meter SSB. Of course at > > these power levels, with an electrically short whip, good band conditions > > can't hurt. > > > > I prefer a 25' or so wire-in-a-tree antenna when there's time. But when I > > need a quick deployment antenna that weighs very little, I pull out the > > 1820T. Note that you *must* use at least one counterpose wire. More than > > one helps, but all of the QSOs I described were made with a single > 13'-long > > wire laid out on the ground. With no ground wire, you'll be down some 15 > to > > 20 dB in transmit mode. > > > > Since the 20-meter results were so good, I also bought the whips for 40, > > 17, 15, and 10 meters. 40 meters is a rough ride at 48", but I was still > > able to check into daytime SSB nets all over the west coast running 10 W. > > On the higher bands, results improve as you go higher in frequency. I > > worked a few JAs on 15 meter SSB running just 1 watt. > > > > A traditional problem with such antennas is that the the SWR can > sometimes > > be unexpectedly high, requiring that you micro-adjust the telescoping > > length and/or adjust the length of the counterpoise wire. This is > > completely unnecessary if you have an auto-tuner available. In > particular, > > the KX3's ATU can quickly match any of these whips over their full target > > band. In a pinch the ATU can also match a given whip on adjacent bands. > In > > the DX contest mentioned I tuned up the 20-meter whip on 17 and 15 meters > > as well, and made a few Q's there, despite the losses due to > off-resonance > > operation. > > > > These whips can handle a surprising amount of power. They're rated to 25 > > W, but I ran 50 W through the 20-meter version for several minutes > without > > damaging it. Some other compact whips I've tried overheated quickly even > at > > 10 W, including some of the Maldol models. When this happens, the SWR > goes > > up and stays up until the coil cools down. > > > > Caveat: Always use a full-size antenna when possible. But if you've just > > crested a new hill and only have a couple of minutes to see if the RF > > really is greener on the other side, this is an excellent choice. > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n1eu.barry at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mbt at w0mbt.net > From n1eu.barry at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 06:38:04 2016 From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 10:38:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Strong recommendation: MFJ 18xx-series single-band whips for KX3, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <2B29826C-02A4-4428-9A02-37747701C0F1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the responses. Don, your comments are much appreciated and I planned on building a bracket just as you describe and mounting my whip/counterpoise to the top of a trekking pole.. Again, I'm not asking about antenna performance. I will add the counterpoise in actual operation. I'm asking if anyone out there who actually owns the MFJ-1820T can please connect it directly to a antenna analyzer and check 20M performance. Yes, I believe these antennas actually DO resonate just as they are. I believe mine is 17M (mislabeled), not 20M, and just looking to confirm that. Thanks & 73, Barry N1EU On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Bruce Nourish wrote: > Did you have a counterpoise when you swept the antenna? If not, you're > only looking at half your antenna, especially as the RigExpert is almost > all plastic. > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016, 01:15 Barry N1EU wrote: > >> If anyone else out there has an MFJ-1820T and also an antenna analyzer, I >> wonder if you could please do me a favor. Please just connect the whip >> directly to the analyzer and tell me what the SWR looks like across the >> 20M >> and the 17M bands. >> >> I swept my MFJ-1820T with my Rig Expert AA-30 and my MFJ-1820T is resonant >> on 17M, not 20M. I'm wondering if I have a mislabeled MFJ-1817T. >> >> Thanks & 73, >> Barry N1EU >> >> From Ka9p at aol.com Sun Apr 3 08:57:26 2016 From: Ka9p at aol.com (Ka9p at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 08:57:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Strong recommendation: MFJ 18xx-series single-band w... Message-ID: <4008b4.50c6460f.44326d36@aol.com> HI Barry, I expect your antenna is ok, or at least not mislabeled.... I don't have a 20 meter version to measure, but I do have the 17 meter version. It works fine on 17 with the KX3 with a drag wire or radial. On an AA30, with no counterpoise, it repeatedly measures resonance sharply at about 23.4 mHz. But that's an all plastic analyzer case. I've seen it lower on my old MFJ with the metal case, but still not resonant without any counterpoise. Based on that I'd guess your 17 meter resonance is a coincidence, and the result of measuring it as you did, not a mislabeling issue. I've done a lot of work over the last year with analyzers and small whips since Wayne started looking for the Holy Grail mini-antenna, and I can assure you that if you're looking for reliable low SWR and resonance, you should only do the experiment as you intend to use the antenna. With the KX3 as a handheld this meant holding the radio with mounted antenna the way you plan to in the field, with a drag wire or radial of the length you plan to use, and over the type of ground you expect, strung out as you plan to sit, stand or walk. I ended up going with a single 12 in section of Buddistick mast on a bracket, a mini or regular coil, and a standard whip. This is surprisingly light and breaks down to 12 inches. With the regular coil and a 13 foot drag line I can usually manage to do 10 - 30 meters (sadly will NOT hit 40) with preset taps on the coil, sitting on a bench on average terrain without having to use the tuner. But change anything and it's up for grabs again, hence having a tappable coil in the filed is a blessing. Not so necessary with the KX3 and auto tuner, but with an 817 or KX3 without tuner, a must. Have fun. Scott ka9p In a message dated 4/3/2016 5:38:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com writes: Thanks for all the responses. Don, your comments are much appreciated and I planned on building a bracket just as you describe and mounting my whip/counterpoise to the top of a trekking pole.. Again, I'm not asking about antenna performance. I will add the counterpoise in actual operation. I'm asking if anyone out there who actually owns the MFJ-1820T can please connect it directly to a antenna analyzer and check 20M performance. Yes, I believe these antennas actually DO resonate just as they are. I believe mine is 17M (mislabeled), not 20M, and just looking to confirm that. Thanks & 73, Barry N1EU On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Bruce Nourish <_w0mbt at w0mbt.net_ (mailto:w0mbt at w0mbt.net) > wrote: Did you have a counterpoise when you swept the antenna? If not, you're only looking at half your antenna, especially as the RigExpert is almost all plastic. On Sun, Apr 3, 2016, 01:15 Barry N1EU <_n1eu.barry at gmail.com_ (mailto:n1eu.barry at gmail.com) > wrote: If anyone else out there has an MFJ-1820T and also an antenna analyzer, I wonder if you could please do me a favor. Please just connect the whip directly to the analyzer and tell me what the SWR looks like across the 20M and the 17M bands. I swept my MFJ-1820T with my Rig Expert AA-30 and my MFJ-1820T is resonant on 17M, not 20M. I'm wondering if I have a mislabeled MFJ-1817T. 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Message-ID: Absolutely a fun radio, Curt --- one slight caveat, though... Any radio is truly "fun" 'cuz/as band conditions/propagation AND one's "to some degree, efficient" antenna allow(s)..... 71.5/72 de Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV From: "Curt" Date: 2016-04-02 21:20:30 Message-ID: AA1C92DD77DB4320B17CD8D21B038374 () DB1B1VF1 [Download message RAW] I got K1-4 s/n 2258 (40, 30, 20, 15) out of the drawer yesterday, hadn't used it in about a year. With wire antenna on 30M, QSO with AL at 1W. Then on 15M, QSO with FL at 5, 1, and 0.1W (!). Then ragchew with op in CA using 5W. His yagi helped no doubt. Had forgotten what a fun, capable radio the K1 is, too bad the 4-band filters are no longer available. 72 Curt KB5JO From n1nk at cox.net Sun Apr 3 10:25:47 2016 From: n1nk at cox.net (Jim Spears) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 10:25:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: issue with K3EXREF installation, part 2 Message-ID: <001501d18db4$b75b78f0$26126ad0$@cox.net> Thanks for the comments folks. I now know exactly what I did wrong. There were two details I messed up. The first detail was threading the coax before tightening the outside nut. This caused the coax itself to be torqued and rotate when I tightened the outside nut without securing the body of the connector which is detail two. The second detail was not securing the body of the connector when I tightened the outside nut which allowed the coax to be torqued and rotate which is detail one. The result was that the coax torqued since it was not free to rotate and put force on the ferrule which caused it to break apart. Lessons learned. When I get the replacement coax, I will make sure I do not thread the coax before tightening the outside nut AND will secure the body of the connector. It appears that the K3 is happy with the signal coming in from the GPSDO but this is not a desirable long term situation. Jim/N1NK From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Sun Apr 3 10:56:42 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 07:56:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 PLL click educational opportunity Message-ID: <1459695402098-7615881.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, Sorry if these are dumb circuit-detail questions, but my K2s (the one in use as well as the one on the bench being built) are sort of my self-education laboratories. Yesterday while out /p in the mountains, I discovered the 5khz PLL "click" in my #1 K2, which led to researching it in the reflector archives, which led to learning how PLL synthesizers work which led to the K2 schematic...... Which led to...whew...lol... my current question about the 4.000mhz reference oscillator on the control board. My question is, it looks like the 4.000mhz osc. is the clock osc. for the main K2 CPU (U6), is that right? And, I would assume that adjusting it to exactly 4.000mhz is what yields the correct dial reading because that adjusts the main CPU's clock frequency? Just curious and apologies if my questions are a little dense... Tnx es 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-PLL-click-educational-opportunity-tp7615881.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 3 11:16:08 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 11:16:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 PLL click educational opportunity In-Reply-To: <1459695402098-7615881.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1459695402098-7615881.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570133B8.7080508@embarqmail.com> LS, The "PLL click" is usually caused by running CAL PLL with the bottom cover off. Install the bottom cover and do it again. The setting of C22 at exactly 4.000MHz will not usually result in the best dial calibration. That 4 MHz oscillator is not used dynamically - it is only used during the run of CAL PLL and CAL FIL. The best dial calibration will be obtained by following the instructions on my website www.w3fpr.com K2 Dial Calibration article. In short, the procedure is to tune *exactly* to WWV (15 MHz is preferred) - or other AM station with a known frequency in SSB mode and using CAL FCTR measure the difference between the VFO (TP1) frequency and the BFO (TP3) frequency and setting C22 to produce exactly the difference equal to the station's frequency (15000.00kHz in the case of 15 MHz WWV). Then run CAL PLL followed by CAL FIL. Check the results by tuning to WWV again and make slight corrections if necessary (do it again). 73, Don W3FPR On 4/3/2016 10:56 AM, lstavenhagen wrote: > Hi all, > Sorry if these are dumb circuit-detail questions, but my K2s (the one in use > as well as the one on the bench being built) are sort of my self-education > laboratories. Yesterday while out /p in the mountains, I discovered the 5khz > PLL "click" in my #1 K2, which led to researching it in the reflector > archives, which led to learning how PLL synthesizers work which led to the > K2 schematic...... > > Which led to...whew...lol... my current question about the 4.000mhz > reference oscillator on the control board. My question is, it looks like the > 4.000mhz osc. is the clock osc. for the main K2 CPU (U6), is that right? > > And, I would assume that adjusting it to exactly 4.000mhz is what yields the > correct dial reading because that adjusts the main CPU's clock frequency? > > Just curious and apologies if my questions are a little dense... > > Tnx es 73, > LS > W5QD > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-PLL-click-educational-opportunity-tp7615881.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From n5lz at comcast.net Sun Apr 3 11:33:06 2016 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 09:33:06 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Strong recommendation: MFJ 18xx-series single-band whips for KX3, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <2B29826C-02A4-4428-9A02-37747701C0F1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <007301d18dbe$1f0a0cb0$5d1e2610$@net> Barry . I just tested my 20 meter and 17 meter whips by fully extending them and connecting them directly to a Rig Expert AA-230 Pro outside in the open yard ... With NO Counterpoise wire ... this is the first time I've tried this .. And after doing so I'm not so sure that it's reliable. 1. The fully extended 20 meter whip, mounted directly to the analyzer dips to 2.6:1 at 17.860 Mhz .. ( when mounted on an aluminum base with counterpoise wires it ran from 1.2:1 to 2.2:1 through the 20 meter band). 2. The fully extended 17 meter whip, mounted directly to the analyzer dips to 2.7:1 at 21.940 Mhz ... (when mounted on the aluminum base with counterpoise wires it ran around 1.2:1 from 18.100 to 18.200) Based upon my testing, and what you previously reported, I'd say that you probably do have a stock 20 meter whip that is correctly labeled. I have photos of my homemade aluminum base ... but am not sure if I can post it to the reflector so will not attempt that ... but if anyone would like to see them contact me offlist and I'll be happy to share them. Don, N5LZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry N1EU Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:38 AM To: Elecraft Reflector; KX3 at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Strong recommendation: MFJ 18xx-series single-band whips for KX3, etc. Thanks for all the responses. Don, your comments are much appreciated and I planned on building a bracket just as you describe and mounting my whip/counterpoise to the top of a trekking pole.. Again, I'm not asking about antenna performance. I will add the counterpoise in actual operation. I'm asking if anyone out there who actually owns the MFJ-1820T can please connect it directly to a antenna analyzer and check 20M performance. Yes, I believe these antennas actually DO resonate just as they are. I believe mine is 17M (mislabeled), not 20M, and just looking to confirm that. Thanks & 73, Barry N1EU On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Bruce Nourish wrote: > Did you have a counterpoise when you swept the antenna? If not, you're > only looking at half your antenna, especially as the RigExpert is > almost all plastic. > > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016, 01:15 Barry N1EU wrote: > >> If anyone else out there has an MFJ-1820T and also an antenna >> analyzer, I wonder if you could please do me a favor. Please just >> connect the whip directly to the analyzer and tell me what the SWR >> looks like across the 20M and the 17M bands. >> >> I swept my MFJ-1820T with my Rig Expert AA-30 and my MFJ-1820T is >> resonant on 17M, not 20M. I'm wondering if I have a mislabeled MFJ-1817T. >> >> Thanks & 73, >> Barry N1EU >> >> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n5lz at comcast.net From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Sun Apr 3 11:45:58 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 08:45:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 PLL click educational opportunity In-Reply-To: <570133B8.7080508@embarqmail.com> References: <1459695402098-7615881.post@n2.nabble.com> <570133B8.7080508@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1459698358571-7615884.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Don, Ah, ok, thanks for the info. Interesting on the 4.000mhz osc, just curious what it's actual function was in the circuit. Oh and as for calibrating the osc, I tried the N6KR procedure, but it turned out that after several different iterations though the different methods, I ended up with the best result from the 2nd option listed on P63 of the manual. I used my K3, which has the 1ppm TCXO in it and is zero beated to WWV to the gnat's rear end lol. As for the clicks, when I last reran CAL PLL, I hadn't let the K2 warm up for long enough. So I'm going to rerun it again here in a bit (fully assembled) to see what result I get... Not a problem, just a great learning opportunity - Having a great time with these lol! Thanks kind sir, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-PLL-click-educational-opportunity-tp7615881p7615884.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n6kr at elecraft.com Sun Apr 3 12:17:03 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 09:17:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Whips and counterpoise wires In-Reply-To: <007301d18dbe$1f0a0cb0$5d1e2610$@net> References: <2B29826C-02A4-4428-9A02-37747701C0F1@elecraft.com> <007301d18dbe$1f0a0cb0$5d1e2610$@net> Message-ID: <7210DA60-9E7B-41FA-B47D-C155E472C2CD@elecraft.com> This probably goes without saying, but... always use a counterpoise (at least one wire) if you're actually trying to make QSOs. Without one, the whip not be resonant on its target band, and you'll lose 15-20 dB of signal at the receiving station. Even with the counterpoise, I always use the internal ATU in the KX3 to improve the SWR. For listening only, I'll sometimes use the whip without a counterpoise wire. I still use the ATU in the KX3 in this case (you can't hurt it, since this is done at 2 W). This resonates the whip for RX purposes. Wayne N6KR Don Butler wrote: > Barry . I just tested my 20 meter and 17 meter whips by fully extending them > and connecting them directly to a Rig Expert AA-230 Pro outside in the open > yard ... With NO Counterpoise wire ... this is the first time I've tried > this .. > > And after doing so I'm not so sure that it's reliable. > > 1. The fully extended 20 meter whip, mounted directly to the analyzer > dips to 2.6:1 at 17.860 Mhz .. ( when mounted on an aluminum base with > counterpoise wires it ran from 1.2:1 to 2.2:1 through the 20 meter band). > > 2. The fully extended 17 meter whip, mounted directly to the analyzer > dips to 2.7:1 at 21.940 Mhz ... (when mounted on the aluminum base with > counterpoise wires it ran around 1.2:1 from 18.100 to 18.200) > > Based upon my testing, and what you previously reported, I'd say that you > probably do have a stock 20 meter whip that is correctly labeled. > > I have photos of my homemade aluminum base ... but am not sure if I can post > it to the reflector so will not attempt that ... but if anyone would like to > see them contact me offlist and I'll be happy to share them. > > Don, N5LZ From daleputnam at hotmail.com Sun Apr 3 12:48:42 2016 From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 16:48:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Power conn on K2 and KX3 ?? Message-ID: Is the power connector on the KX3 the same connector as on the K2 qrp?? Thank you! Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy From n6kr at elecraft.com Sun Apr 3 12:50:44 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 09:50:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power conn on K2 and KX3 ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5334713E-7F4A-41AA-A2D2-436DA3353F21@elecraft.com> Yes. Wayne N6KR On Apr 3, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Dale Putnam wrote: > > Is the power connector on the KX3 the same connector as on the K2 qrp?? > > > Thank you! > > > Have a great day, > --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From eckerpw at yahoo.com Sun Apr 3 12:58:08 2016 From: eckerpw at yahoo.com (paul ecker) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 16:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Rerouting the KRX3 AUX Input from the Rear BNC to the KAT3 References: <611319803.2054493.1459702688018.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <611319803.2054493.1459702688018.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Interesting thread and one that I have a question on. I have three antennas coming in to the KAT3 and one jumper running from the KAT3 XMTR connector to my K3 Ant1. When I installed the KRX3, I made the choice to have the main and sub receiver share the antenna output of the KAT3. Since I had two choices at the time it seems like the most practical and because all my antennas were routed through the KAT500. So my question given the presence of the KAT, ?is there still a practical way to switch back and forth between my present setup and using the KRX3 for diversity receive? Hope question is not too confusing. 73?Paulkc2nyu From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Sun Apr 3 13:14:34 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 10:14:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 PLL click educational opportunity In-Reply-To: <1459695402098-7615881.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1459695402098-7615881.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1459703674949-7615889.post@n2.nabble.com> PS: re-tweaked the 4mhz osc with my K3 and reran CAL PLL and CAL FIL - I'm about where I was, within 20 or 30 hz of WWV on 10mhz, well down in the noise of overall drift and well good enough for me. I'll see if the ticks are mitigated out in the mountains where the bands are super quiet later today... 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-PLL-click-educational-opportunity-tp7615881p7615889.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rick at tavan.com Sun Apr 3 13:15:43 2016 From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 10:15:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rotating Antenna from a remote location. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Easy, Don, but there are lots of choices. First you need a rotor control box with a digital interface. Many have them, usually with a conventional serial port connection. If yours does not, consider the Green Heron universal controller. It can control most rotors out there. Second, you need software to interface to the controller. Some logging programs can be set up to control some digital rotor controllers and that may be the simplest way to go. You will probably need a remote serial port. If you don't want to rely on logging programs or if your logger doesn't support your rotor/controller, you will need stand-alone software. Some controllers provide their own stand-alone software and there are also third-party programs available (see below). There are two ways these programs can run - local-only or client-server. If you choose software that runs local-only, you can run it on a computer at the radio site and access it via a remote desktop program from the control site OR you can run it at the control site with a remote serial port to the controller at the radio site. If you choose software that runs client-server, you run the server version on a computer at the radio site and the client version on a computer at the control site. Often it's the same executable at both sites and you just select different options. This is what I do, using PstRotatorAz from YO3DMU. It can run either locally or client-server and interfaces most rotor controllers and logging programs. Setup is less than obvious but help is available online and once it's working it's very robust, surviving many sorts of configuration changes and starts and stops, an excellent program. Extra added attractions include presets, turn-to-prefix, logging program interfaces, and a module that controls a SteppIR antenna controller, also remotely. GL & 73, /Rick N6XI On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Don Strom wrote: > Am getting ready to order K3S with the remote rig duo from Elecraft. > > Any one out there that is rotating their antennas remotely? > > If so, very interested in what you are using to do the job. > > Thanks! Don W0EAR > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > -- Rick Tavan Truckee, CA From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Apr 3 13:54:57 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 10:54:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Strong recommendation: MFJ 18xx-series single-band whips for KX3, etc. In-Reply-To: <007301d18dbe$1f0a0cb0$5d1e2610$@net> References: <2B29826C-02A4-4428-9A02-37747701C0F1@elecraft.com> <007301d18dbe$1f0a0cb0$5d1e2610$@net> Message-ID: <570158F1.1020409@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,4/3/2016 8:33 AM, Don Butler wrote: > Barry . I just tested my 20 meter and 17 meter whips by fully extending them > and connecting them directly to a Rig Expert AA-230 Pro outside in the open > yard ... With NO Counterpoise wire ... this is the first time I've tried > this .. Good that you've never done that -- as W0MBT noted, omitting the counterpoise leaves out half of the antenna! The counterpoise provides a RETURN for antenna current. Without that return, the chassis of whatever box it's connected to (and whatever the chassis is connected to) serves as the return. Let's get something straight. Current flows in LOOPS, whether it's DC, audio, or RF. If current flows out on one wire (in this case, the whip), it MUST flow in on something else connected to the transmitter. In the case of the whip, it's whatever is connected to the chassis of the transmitter. We call that a counterpoise. An antenna creates an electromagnetic field, which space couples between the two pieces of the antenna (the whip and the counterpoise), so around the antenna space is part of that loop. Without that counterpoise, the antenna doesn't work as well. First, it is less efficient, because the return path for the feed current and the field is poor. Second, because it is part of the antenna, a missing or shortened counterpoise causes the antenna to resonate at a higher frequency. Radials are a more ideal form of counterpoise -- they SHIELD the antenna from the lossy earth (which burns TX power before it can be radiated); instead, return current flows in low resistance radials, making the antenna more efficient (and our signal louder at the other end). On Sun,4/3/2016 9:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > This probably goes without saying, but... always use a counterpoise (at least one wire) if you're actually trying to make QSOs. Without one, the whip not be resonant on its target band, and you'll lose 15-20 dB of signal at the receiving station. Exactly. > Even with the counterpoise, I always use the internal ATU in the KX3 to improve the SWR. Poor choice of words. An antenna tuner does NOT "improve the SWR" -- SWR is a property of a TRANSMISSION LINE, and it is determined ENTIRELY by the match between the antenna and the transmission line. Rather, an antenna tuner transforms the Z of the antenna to the load impedance that the output stage of the rig wants to see as a load, in most cases, 50 Ohms resistive. This does two things -- it prevents protection circuitry from "folding back" the output stage (reducing drive to the output stage, thus reducing its power) to protect it, and it reduces distortion in the output stage. > For listening only, I'll sometimes use the whip without a counterpoise wire. I still use the ATU in the KX3 in this case (you can't hurt it, since this is done at 2 W). This resonates the whip for RX purposes. In this context, the counterpoise (and the tuner) do two things -- they make the antenna more efficient (by providing a better return for current), AND increase the current at the input of the RX. With TX, we care about efficiency of the antenna (how much RF field does it create) because it makes our signal stronger. With RX, we don't care much, or don't care at all, because we have more than enough sensitivity in the RX to hear weaker signals. SO -- a counterpoise is far less important for listening. From ron at cobi.biz Sun Apr 3 13:59:39 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 10:59:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: issue with K3EXREF installation, part 2 In-Reply-To: <001501d18db4$b75b78f0$26126ad0$@cox.net> References: <001501d18db4$b75b78f0$26126ad0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <002301d18dd2$97ed60a0$c7c821e0$@biz> Thanks Jim: I'll add that detail to the manual. Feedback like yours is how we constantly improve the instructions. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Spears Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 7:26 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3: issue with K3EXREF installation, part 2 Thanks for the comments folks. I now know exactly what I did wrong. There were two details I messed up. The first detail was threading the coax before tightening the outside nut. This caused the coax itself to be torqued and rotate when I tightened the outside nut without securing the body of the connector which is detail two. The second detail was not securing the body of the connector when I tightened the outside nut which allowed the coax to be torqued and rotate which is detail one. The result was that the coax torqued since it was not free to rotate and put force on the ferrule which caused it to break apart. Lessons learned. When I get the replacement coax, I will make sure I do not thread the coax before tightening the outside nut AND will secure the body of the connector. It appears that the K3 is happy with the signal coming in from the GPSDO but this is not a desirable long term situation. Jim/N1NK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From ny9h at arrl.net Sun Apr 3 14:05:26 2016 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2016 14:05:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadaptor many different tools In-Reply-To: <57005A31.8080400@mdodd.com> References: <000901d18d1e$4c602640$e52072c0$@com> <57005A31.8080400@mdodd.com> Message-ID: I've used the P3 to make both stills and videos for use in radio classes. What AM looks like, CW SSB USB LSB ...PSK RTTY When width set to 5kc, it is a great analyzer. Some USB stations have considerable LSB content..... oops. And lots of strange stuff from EQ settings & overdriving transceivers and amps !!! It is very evident if the station has no audio HF sibilance .. shows clearly on the screen, or the big boomer bass guys... WOW I've learned how to search the pileup for the last caller...and determine if the dx is drifting up or down, to anticipate where to drop in my call. great tool... Makes sitting on a set split look like a total waste of time . Heard a guy relating how he was NOT working HEARD ." Guess they never came across my signal"... guess not . bill ny9h/3 From kevinr at coho.net Sun Apr 3 14:22:36 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 11:22:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <57015F6C.1040503@coho.net> According to the flowers and birds spring has arrived (they don't need a calendar). I actually let the fire go out for the first time this year. However, propagation is not so good. Even with my fancy new antenna it is tough to raise a contact let alone the RBN. But the nets will run and we will see how they fare. Please join us at: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From dl6abm at yahoo.com Sun Apr 3 14:35:56 2016 From: dl6abm at yahoo.com (Holger Meinecke) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 18:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FS in EU: KPA500 In-Reply-To: <1097801464.2228725.1459586984149.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1097801464.2228725.1459586984149.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1097801464.2228725.1459586984149.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <734402473.3106062.1459708556714.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> new in germany EUR 3000. if u import by yourself abt 400 less.i change my offer to Eur 1999 considering this difference. thanks, 73 Holger dl6abm Holger Meinecke schrieb am 10:49 Samstag, 2.April 2016: Hi All, I'm willing to part from my KPA500 after getting my long awaited Hilberling PA.The KPA 500 is like new both optical and technical and comes from a smoke and Pet free environment.It is wired for 240VAC. The Original cables for? k3 connection are included.I'm asking EUR 2400 + shipping, resonable offers will be considered.Payment by bank transfer preferred but paypal possible. Thanks for the bandwith,73 Holger DL6ABM PS. Fotos on request via private mail: dl6abm(at)darc.de From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Apr 3 18:19:23 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:19:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rotating Antenna from a remote location. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <570196EB.1060602@foothill.net> Another choice is to run a PC at the radio site which runs the rotator control software, and then use a remote control program to get into the computer from your control location. Tom at W7RN does this using TeamViewer [free for non-commercial use]. When I log in, I see the GH control screens, I can drag any of the antennas to any azimuth, plus I have access to the KPA500 control utility, and a couple of camera images, one of the shack in general and a close up of the K3 and the antenna switch indicators so I can see if any are busy with on-site operations. Works pretty slick. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 4/3/2016 10:15 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: > Easy, Don, but there are lots of choices. > > First you need a rotor control box with a digital interface. Many > have them, usually with a conventional serial port connection. If > yours does not, consider the Green Heron universal controller. It can > control most rotors out there. > > Second, you need software to interface to the controller. Some > logging programs can be set up to control some digital rotor > controllers and that may be the simplest way to go. You will probably > need a remote serial port. > > If you don't want to rely on logging programs or if your logger > doesn't support your rotor/controller, you will need stand-alone > software. > > Some controllers provide their own stand-alone software and there are > also third-party programs available (see below). There are two ways > these programs can run - local-only or client-server. If you choose > software that runs local-only, you can run it on a computer at the > radio site and access it via a remote desktop program from the > control site OR you can run it at the control site with a remote > serial port to the controller at the radio site. > > If you choose software that runs client-server, you run the server > version on a computer at the radio site and the client version on a > computer at the control site. Often it's the same executable at both > sites and you just select different options. This is what I do, using > PstRotatorAz from YO3DMU. It can run either locally or client-server > and interfaces most rotor controllers and logging programs. Setup is > less than obvious but help is available online and once it's working > it's very robust, surviving many sorts of configuration changes and > starts and stops, an excellent program. Extra added attractions > include presets, turn-to-prefix, logging program interfaces, and a > module that controls a SteppIR antenna controller, also remotely. > > GL & 73, > > /Rick N6XI > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Don Strom wrote: > >> Am getting ready to order K3S with the remote rig duo from >> Elecraft. >> >> Any one out there that is rotating their antennas remotely? >> >> If so, very interested in what you are using to do the job. >> >> Thanks! Don W0EAR From widelitz at gte.net Sun Apr 3 20:27:00 2016 From: widelitz at gte.net (Ken Widelitz) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 17:27:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] DB9 -> RJ45 Cables Need a New Home Message-ID: <002c01d18e08$b4ed2ce0$1ec786a0$@gte.net> Having switched to the CBLP3Y with my P3/K3s, I have four DB9 -> RJ45 cables that I don't need (Elecraft part number E980297.) They are available to a new home that can use them for the cost of shipping, which according to the USPS website is $3.54 First Class Mail for all four. 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT From widelitz at gte.net Sun Apr 3 20:28:37 2016 From: widelitz at gte.net (Ken Widelitz) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 17:28:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3 Available Message-ID: <003901d18e08$eef08e00$ccd1aa00$@gte.net> I still have one KIO3 available for $50 shipped. 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT From mbyrd22 at tampabay.rr.com Sun Apr 3 21:07:13 2016 From: mbyrd22 at tampabay.rr.com (mbyrd22 at tampabay.rr.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 1:07:13 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 (still) a classic! Message-ID: <20160404010713.FWH6C.66819.root@cdptpa-web07> I have to agree. I have K1 #583. This is my favorite kit of all time. Radio works perfectly, just so much fun. Mike, AC4UR http://sunbyrdpress.blogspot.com From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Sun Apr 3 21:15:32 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 18:15:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 (still) a classic! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1459732532259-7615899.post@n2.nabble.com> Now all you have to do is build a K2 hi hi... BTW, do we know the reason the 4 band module was discontinued on the K1? That was the only reason I didn't get one and went with another K2 in my current build. 2 bands was just slightly too few for me... 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-still-a-classic-tp7615852p7615899.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lawresh at woh.rr.com Sun Apr 3 22:15:29 2016 From: lawresh at woh.rr.com (Steve) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 22:15:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 (still) a classic! In-Reply-To: <1459732532259-7615899.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1459732532259-7615899.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I think I recall reading here something about Elecraft could no longer obtain a key part for the 4 band board - a temperature stable trimmer cap perhaps? Steve aa8af > On Apr 3, 2016, at 9:15 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: > > Now all you have to do is build a K2 hi hi... BTW, do we know the reason the > 4 band module was discontinued on the K1? That was the only reason I didn't > get one and went with another K2 in my current build. 2 bands was just > slightly too few for me... > > 73, > LS > W5QD From indians at xsmail.com Mon Apr 4 04:17:13 2016 From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 01:17:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FS in EU: KPA500 In-Reply-To: <1097801464.2228725.1459586984149.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1097801464.2228725.1459586984149.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1459757833524-7615901.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Holger, I am interested in your KPA500 please. I droped an private email already. Thank you for reply off-list. 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FS-in-EU-KPA500-tp7615825p7615901.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From colin.g3psm at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 07:54:03 2016 From: colin.g3psm at gmail.com (Colin) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:54:03 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] FS in EU: KPA500 In-Reply-To: <1459757833524-7615901.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1097801464.2228725.1459586984149.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1459757833524-7615901.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570255DB.70103@gmail.com> Holger, If it is still for sale by the time Friedrichshafen comes around I would be interested. 73 Colin, G3PSM On 04/04/2016 09:17, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote: > Hi Holger, > > I am interested in your KPA500 please. I droped an private email already. > Thank you for reply off-list. > > 73 - Petr, OK1RP > > > > ----- > http://ok1rp.blogspot.com > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FS-in-EU-KPA500-tp7615825p7615901.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to colin.g3psm at gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dl6abm at yahoo.com Mon Apr 4 08:36:40 2016 From: dl6abm at yahoo.com (Holger Meinecke) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FS in EU: KPA500 In-Reply-To: <570255DB.70103@gmail.com> References: <570255DB.70103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <23895718.3829307.1459773400699.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> The KPA is sold,thanks to all ...73 Holger dl6abm Colin schrieb am 14:04 Montag, 4.April 2016: Holger, If it is still for sale by the time Friedrichshafen comes around I would be interested. 73 Colin, G3PSM On 04/04/2016 09:17, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote: > Hi Holger, > > I am interested in your KPA500 please. I droped an private email already. > Thank you for reply off-list. > > 73 - Petr, OK1RP > > > > ----- > http://ok1rp.blogspot.com > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FS-in-EU-KPA500-tp7615825p7615901.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to colin.g3psm at gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dl6abm at yahoo.com From colin.g3psm at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 09:14:39 2016 From: colin.g3psm at gmail.com (Colin) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:14:39 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] FS in EU: KPA500 In-Reply-To: <23895718.3829307.1459773400699.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <570255DB.70103@gmail.com> <23895718.3829307.1459773400699.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <570268BF.9000607@gmail.com> Ah well, wishfull thinking on my part. On 04/04/2016 13:36, Holger Meinecke wrote: > The KPA is sold, > thanks to all ... > 73 Holger dl6abm > > > > Colin schrieb am 14:04 Montag, 4.April 2016: > > > Holger, > > If it is still for sale by the time Friedrichshafen comes around I would > be interested. > > 73 > > Colin, G3PSM > > On 04/04/2016 09:17, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote: > > Hi Holger, > > > > I am interested in your KPA500 please. I droped an private email > already. > > Thank you for reply off-list. > > > > 73 - Petr, OK1RP > > > > > > > > ----- > > http://ok1rp.blogspot.com > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FS-in-EU-KPA500-tp7615825p7615901.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to colin.g3psm at gmail.com > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dl6abm at yahoo.com > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w0eb at cox.net Mon Apr 4 09:37:46 2016 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 13:37:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB and MMTTY running SPLIT Message-ID: Interesting observation while trying to work FT4JA on 30 meter RTTY last night. Using Windows 7 Pro 64 bit, I had been trying to find a stereo mixer program that would allow 2 versions of MMTTY to run, one connected to the left channel for the main RX and one to the right channel for the sub RX via the K3S USB connection with the K3S in SPLIT. Last night, I accidentally discovered that both channels were showing up on ONE version of MMTTY running. I could set the main RX on the DX station's frequency, lock it so it wouldn't move if bumped and whenever FT4JA would transmit, I'd get mostly decent copy of what he was sending. I could also, by judicious manipulation of VFO B, tune across the pileup and also decode the stations there. I couldn't isolate one channel from the other but they both decoded in MMTTY. Not sure how that's happening, but it's an interim solution to the situation anyway. Since I was seeing both decoded, I ran another instance of MMTTY, and let it decode both as well.. That way there didn't appear to be a conflict seeing the FT4 when he transmitted at the same time as one or more stations in the pileup. Didn't manage to work him, but at least I could see both ends of the QSO's. Now I hope they run some more RTTY on a band I can hear them on - LOL. Jim - W0EB From jmb-f5lci at orange.fr Mon Apr 4 09:46:33 2016 From: jmb-f5lci at orange.fr (F5LCI) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 06:46:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Grounding & NiMH Batteries In-Reply-To: <1458485976481-7615352.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1458485976481-7615352.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1459777593356-7615906.post@n2.nabble.com> " Looking for suggestions on some type of quick connect/disconnect for a ground to the chassis of the KX3 instead of having to loosen a thumbscrew each time. " - I would simply leave on the thumbscrew a small bit of wire with a banana plug on the other end. - Anyway, KX3 on batteries can sometimes work "floating" ; it depends on your antenna setup. Regards, F5LCI -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Grounding-NiMH-Batteries-tp7615352p7615906.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w0eb at cox.net Mon Apr 4 11:10:26 2016 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 15:10:26 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB and MMTTY running SPLIT additional Message-ID: I should have been more specific in my post on observations. First off, I have been getting a whole bunch of replies with "tutorials" on how to run split, how RTTY works, etc. These are absolutely not needed. I've been on RTTY since first licensed back in 1963, I know RTTY is LSB, etc. I also have been using MMTTY since Mako first wrote it and know how to set it up. I'm running true FSK keying via the K3S accessory connector and a COM port. This works fine. The K3S (note S, not K3) internal USB sound card outputs stereo, this I also know. The 64 bit version of Windows 7 Professional which I have running on an HP 6300 small form factor computer with an Intel Core i5 processor (true quad core) at 3.5 GHz and 16 gig of RAM. MMTTY does NOT recognize the K3S sound card through the USB setup on the above computer as being stereo and one can not select which audio stream from the K3S is used by the program. That is a problem with Windows 7 Professional, not MMTTY. I can easily use the sound card in the computer, but then I lose much of the single cable functionality of the K3S built in USB. I was merely observing that MMTTY WAS recognizing both streams simultaneously and COULD apparently decode both. Thanks for the newbie tutorials guys, but they are not needed. Jim - W0EB From lists at subich.com Mon Apr 4 11:48:45 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 11:48:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB and MMTTY running SPLIT additional In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57028CDD.5050708@subich.com> > MMTTY does NOT recognize the K3S sound card through the USB setup on > the above computer as being stereo and one can not select which audio > stream from the K3S is used by the program. That is a problem with > Windows 7 Professional, not MMTTY. MMTTY can and will recognize the PCM2903 sound chip as stereo if both Windows and MMTTY are set up correctly. First thing to do is open the Sound Control Panel and select the "Recording" tab for USB Audio CODEC (the PCM-2903). Then select the "Advanced" tab and made sure the Default Format is set to a "2 channel" format (preferably 2 channel, 16 bit, 48000 Hz (DVD Quality)). In MMTTY, set the Source (Options | Setup | Misc) to either Left (main) or Right (Sub) and set the clock to 1/4 the sample rate set for the "Default Format" above. You will need to run two copies of MMTTY - one for main and the other for Sub. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/4/2016 11:10 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote: > I should have been more specific in my post on observations. First off, > I have been getting a whole bunch of replies with "tutorials" on how to > run split, how RTTY works, etc. These are absolutely not needed. I've > been on RTTY since first licensed back in 1963, I know RTTY is LSB, etc. > I also have been using MMTTY since Mako first wrote it and know how to > set it up. I'm running true FSK keying via the K3S accessory connector > and a COM port. This works fine. > > The K3S (note S, not K3) internal USB sound card outputs stereo, this I > also know. The 64 bit version of Windows 7 Professional which I have > running on an HP 6300 small form factor computer with an Intel Core i5 > processor (true quad core) at 3.5 GHz and 16 gig of RAM. > > MMTTY does NOT recognize the K3S sound card through the USB setup on the > above computer as being stereo and one can not select which audio stream > from the K3S is used by the program. That is a problem with Windows 7 > Professional, not MMTTY. > > I can easily use the sound card in the computer, but then I lose much of > the single cable functionality of the K3S built in USB. > > I was merely observing that MMTTY WAS recognizing both streams > simultaneously and COULD apparently decode both. > > Thanks for the newbie tutorials guys, but they are not needed. > > Jim - W0EB > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From j123law at aol.com Mon Apr 4 11:22:31 2016 From: j123law at aol.com (John Lawrence) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 11:22:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 For Sale In-Reply-To: <06f663cd4820961d73fc06738b69d600@swap.qth.com> References: <06f663cd4820961d73fc06738b69d600@swap.qth.com> Message-ID: <153e1de3c5a-6968-f8b4@webprd-a01.mail.aol.com> KX3 FOR SALE Like new, no scratches, factory built. Used in one CW Field Day to produce over 300 QSOs on CW then stored. s/n 6027, with Hand Mic, Real Time Clock/Battery and 3KHz Roofing Filter options. USB to serial cable. ACC2 break out adapter. Nifty stand and Manuals included. Elecraft operation, KE7X and Nifty mini manuals. All works great with especially super QSK cw and receiver best I've ever used for high speed contest style operation. No internal antenna tuner to increase reliability and allow external manual tuner thus reducing any RFI potential. It works perfectly into the KXPA series amps without a tuner in between. Antenna tuners should be at the antenna away from the shack or tent. . $1195.00 obo plus shipping and no Pay Pal please. John W1QS 207 615 2824 From w0eb at cox.net Mon Apr 4 13:06:23 2016 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 17:06:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB and MMTTY running SPLIT Message-ID: Hey, Thanks Mike, Joe and several others that replied suggesting going to the control panel's Sound app and the Advanced Recording tabs. This didn't work either, but it did put me on the right path. A close friend, who's also an MCSE just happened to come over this morning and when I told him what was happening, we took another look at the sound set up. Couldn't find any of the suggested things, so he suggested there might be a problem in my version of Win 7 Pro from the original 64 bit install when I converted it over from the 32 bit version that had been installed on the computer when I got it. Wound up running the 64 bit install again using the "Repair System" item. Bingo, that cured it and now I have the ability to select which channel I want for the MMTTY programs. I set them up with MMTTY LEFT and MMTTY RIGHT icons on the desktop so it's easy to figure which one is which. Works like a champ. To those I was a little short with in replies, apologies, but it seems lately anytime a question is asked, everyone first tries the "Blame the Newbie" approach. Especially from some new to this list. They are just trying to help but they often don't read previous posts or the whole post they are replying to first - LOL. Just because something works on your computer doesn't mean the same thing works on someone else's as I've been finding out. It never occurred to me that the problem was in the initial Win 7 pro install. It started up with no problems and has been running since before Christmas, getting regular updates and there have been no crashes or anything. Live and learn, I always say. Anyway, many thanks to all who helped. 73, Jim - W0EB From k0dxv at aol.com Mon Apr 4 13:08:42 2016 From: k0dxv at aol.com (Doug Person) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:08:42 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry PI 3 and K3 Message-ID: <57029F9A.3020404@aol.com> Here's an interesting observation - just setup my newly received Raspberry Pi 3. After setting it, which was very simple, I selected fldigi and flrig from the software directory. After the installed I plugged in my K3 USB cable and setup fldigi just as I would on any other linux computer. Slightly amazed that it worked great. So, imagine - a $39 computer that can run any linux ham software and its smaller than your hand. Doug -- K0DXV From rdarlington at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 13:11:05 2016 From: rdarlington at gmail.com (Bob Darlington) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 11:11:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry PI 3 and K3 In-Reply-To: <57029F9A.3020404@aol.com> References: <57029F9A.3020404@aol.com> Message-ID: And will easily fit inside a P3 or speaker enclosure. On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Here's an interesting observation - just setup my newly received Raspberry > Pi 3. After setting it, which was very simple, I selected fldigi and flrig > from the software directory. After the installed I plugged in my K3 USB > cable and setup fldigi just as I would on any other linux computer. > Slightly amazed that it worked great. So, imagine - a $39 computer that > can run any linux ham software and its smaller than your hand. > > Doug -- K0DXV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rdarlington at gmail.com > From tim at sy-edm.com Mon Apr 4 13:16:14 2016 From: tim at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 21:16:14 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] T1 Miniature ATU Message-ID: <6FE20CEF-DC35-49C5-B56C-50E2E6A20458@sy-edm.com> Fellow Hams, I am considering adding a T1 ATU to my portable setup - any comments/suggestions ? Is the kit easy or difficult to construct ? As always your constructive comments are very appreciated 73s Tim A45WG From dave at nk7z.net Mon Apr 4 13:24:36 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 10:24:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] T1 Miniature ATU In-Reply-To: <6FE20CEF-DC35-49C5-B56C-50E2E6A20458@sy-edm.com> References: <6FE20CEF-DC35-49C5-B56C-50E2E6A20458@sy-edm.com> Message-ID: <1459790676.14429.3.camel@nk7z.net> I picked one up used, so I can't speak to construction, beyond the normal good Elecraft build... ?However, it does seem to match just about anything, and it is cute! -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Mon, 2016-04-04 at 21:16 +0400, a45wg wrote: > Fellow Hams, > I am considering adding a T1??ATU to my portable setup - any > comments/suggestions ??? > > Is the kit easy or difficult to construct ? > > As always your constructive comments are very appreciated > > 73s Tim > A45WG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Apr 4 13:46:46 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:46:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] T1 Miniature ATU In-Reply-To: <6FE20CEF-DC35-49C5-B56C-50E2E6A20458@sy-edm.com> References: <6FE20CEF-DC35-49C5-B56C-50E2E6A20458@sy-edm.com> Message-ID: <5702A886.8070205@embarqmail.com> Tim, If you can build in tight quarters with 1/8 watt resistors, you should have no problem. Just beware of solder bridges. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/4/2016 1:16 PM, a45wg wrote: > Fellow Hams, > I am considering adding a T1 ATU to my portable setup - any comments/suggestions ? > > Is the kit easy or difficult to construct ? > > From ae5x at juno.com Mon Apr 4 13:53:17 2016 From: ae5x at juno.com (ae5x at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 17:53:17 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] T1 Miniature ATU Message-ID: <20160404.125317.30735.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> The kit is quite easy to build and the finished product tunes fast and quietly. I've had mine since they were first offered (10+ years or so), and have backpacked with it numerous times and subjected it to many miles of motorcycle-induced vibration (and will again soon!) ...still works like new. John AE5X Part 2 coming up: https://tatqrp.wordpress.com/the-radio >I am considering adding a T1 ATU to my portable setup - any comments/suggestions ? ____________________________________________________________ Wall Street Daily Peter Schiff: China Just Armed its Financial Missile http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5702aa5a6e9ec2a5a01d5st04vuc From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Mon Apr 4 14:07:05 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 11:07:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry PI 3 and K3 In-Reply-To: <57029F9A.3020404@aol.com> References: <57029F9A.3020404@aol.com> Message-ID: <5702AD49.7030205@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> I love the idea. What I want is basically a Raspberry Pi laptop. Something that'll run FLDIGI, with long battery life, and fairly cheap. Nothing cloud based because I want to run portable. -- Lynn On 4/4/2016 10:08 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > Here's an interesting observation - just setup my newly received > Raspberry Pi 3. From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Mon Apr 4 14:18:30 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 18:18:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry PI 3 and K3 In-Reply-To: <5702AD49.7030205@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <57029F9A.3020404@aol.com> <5702AD49.7030205@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: That does exist, as a kit: Google "pi-top". The trouble with pi-top is that the screen and keyboard, and general fit and finish aren't that great. If there's Android software that can meet your needs, you'll get more power, better screen, better construction, and a better keyboard by picking up an older model Nexus tablet and a matching Bluetooth keyboard. My ideal portable rig just for digital modes would be a battery powered PX3 with the smallest, cheapest USB keyboard I could find. But, I assume if Elecraft could have put batteries in the PX3 they would have. On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 19:08 Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT < KX3 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote: > I love the idea. > > What I want is basically a Raspberry Pi laptop. Something that'll run > FLDIGI, with long battery life, and fairly cheap. > > Nothing cloud based because I want to run portable. > > -- Lynn > > On 4/4/2016 10:08 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > > Here's an interesting observation - just setup my newly received > > Raspberry Pi 3. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mbt at w0mbt.net > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Apr 4 14:53:24 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 11:53:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry PI 3 and K3 In-Reply-To: <5702AD49.7030205@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <57029F9A.3020404@aol.com> <5702AD49.7030205@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <89CC7438-4CFA-4931-A721-B0761BAE8426@socal.rr.com> NUE PSK also works well with KX3 Phil W7OX -- Sent from my iPhone 5S > On Apr 4, 2016, at 11:07, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > I love the idea. > > What I want is basically a Raspberry Pi laptop. Something that'll run FLDIGI, with long battery life, and fairly cheap. > > Nothing cloud based because I want to run portable. > > -- Lynn > >> On 4/4/2016 10:08 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: >> Here's an interesting observation - just setup my newly received Raspberry Pi 3. > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Apr 4 15:15:54 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:15:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] T1 Miniature ATU In-Reply-To: <6FE20CEF-DC35-49C5-B56C-50E2E6A20458@sy-edm.com> Message-ID: It's solid as a rock and quite easy to build. Before I got internal tuner in my K3, I was using it for the WARC bands. Occasionally I would hit it with 100 watts RTTY and it survived. 73 Bill AE6JV On 4/4/16 at 10:16 AM, tim at sy-edm.com (a45wg) wrote: >I am considering adding a T1 ATU to my portable setup - any >comments/suggestions ? >Is the kit easy or difficult to construct ? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly From eric.csuf at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 15:42:16 2016 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:42:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] T1 Miniature ATU In-Reply-To: <6FE20CEF-DC35-49C5-B56C-50E2E6A20458@sy-edm.com> References: <6FE20CEF-DC35-49C5-B56C-50E2E6A20458@sy-edm.com> Message-ID: <5702C398.2040707@gmail.com> I bought mine assembled. It didn't look like $20 worth of fun to build. But, like everything I've bought from Elecraft, it is really unique, exceptional quality, and works very well. I was building a lot of off-brand (i.e. non-Elecraft) QRP rigs at the time. It was the perfect companion for those. Tunes almost anything, fast and very quiet. I no longer use or need it, but it's so damn cute I can't bear to sell it. I recently had a problem with my K2 ATU. No problem. I used the T1 until I could get the KAT2 on the bench. Eric KE6US On 4/4/2016 10:16 AM, a45wg wrote: > Fellow Hams, > I am considering adding a T1 ATU to my portable setup - any comments/suggestions ? > > Is the kit easy or difficult to construct ? > > As always your constructive comments are very appreciated > > 73s Tim > A45WG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From ron at cobi.biz Mon Apr 4 15:44:35 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:44:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] T1 Miniature ATU In-Reply-To: <6FE20CEF-DC35-49C5-B56C-50E2E6A20458@sy-edm.com> References: <6FE20CEF-DC35-49C5-B56C-50E2E6A20458@sy-edm.com> Message-ID: <002401d18eaa$6b48c250$41da46f0$@biz> Most of the gripes I've see are about winding the toroids. However, Michael "the toroidguy" can supply you a set if you don't want to wind them yourself. He's "Elecraft approved" http://www.elecraft.com/Apps/ToroidGuy/toroidguy_prewound_toroids.htm That page doesn't list the T1 but I know he's done them for some builders and they're on his order sheet you can download from that page. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of a45wg Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 10:16 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] T1 Miniature ATU Fellow Hams, I am considering adding a T1 ATU to my portable setup - any comments/suggestions ? Is the kit easy or difficult to construct ? As always your constructive comments are very appreciated 73s Tim A45WG ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Mon Apr 4 15:55:28 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:55:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] T1 Miniature ATU In-Reply-To: <6FE20CEF-DC35-49C5-B56C-50E2E6A20458@sy-edm.com> References: <6FE20CEF-DC35-49C5-B56C-50E2E6A20458@sy-edm.com> Message-ID: <1459799728264-7615922.post@n2.nabble.com> I have one that I bought fully built and it's an excellent tuner. I only stopped using it because I have all built-in tuners now and wanted to reduce the extra cabling. You'll really like it, works great. I'm not sure I'd want to actually build one tho. My K2's already have enough super tiny parts lol. 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/T1-Miniature-ATU-tp7615913p7615922.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2cm.george at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 17:25:53 2016 From: k2cm.george at gmail.com (george allen) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 17:25:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fault Anomalie with Flex 6700, KPA500, KAT500 Message-ID: I am using a Flex 6700 into a KPA500 into a KAT500. I have "trained" the tuner and placed the tuner into manual mode as per a document from Elecraft. All works well when I stay on a specific band. When I initiate a "tune", the tuner quickly goes to the preset tuning without a problem. When I go to another band, for example if I am operating on 40 then go to 20, it takes a second for the tuner to read the frequency during which both the tuner and KPA500 see a high SWR. The amp then locks out. I am using the cabling as described on page 10 of the KAT500 manual; but, instead of Icom transceiver, I am using a Flex transceiver. While this is not an issue when operating from my shack, when I operate from a remote location, I am unable to use the amplifier. Any thoughts on how to correct this issue? George K2CM From daleputnam at hotmail.com Mon Apr 4 17:58:08 2016 From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 21:58:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT FOX: FOXTRAVAGANZA! In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Announcing: FOXTRAVAGANZA! The Winter 2015-2016 FOXTRAVAGANZA will take place on Thursday, April 7th, 2016. All 40 and 80 Meter Foxes, Alternates, and the QRP Foxhunt Committee can call CQ FOX on either 40 or 80 Meters. How many can you work? There will be no official scoring, just feel free to brag (or complain) on the QFOX List or Facebook! __,_._,___ From crustacean at brig-elec.com Mon Apr 4 19:25:15 2016 From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 19:25:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry PI 3 and K3 In-Reply-To: <57029F9A.3020404@aol.com> References: <57029F9A.3020404@aol.com> Message-ID: <1459812315.2978.5.camel@arabica> It is interesting that you mention this, I am quite a ways into a similar project. I have a Pi3 connected to a 7" touch screen display. I also have a USB soundcard setup on it and this last weekend made a contact using my KX3 and fldigi to make a very clumsily executed on my part contact with a HAM in Florida. I have found that a stylus makes life much easier with tiny displays. The Pi is an aweful lot of computer for so little money. On Mon, 2016-04-04 at 11:08 -0600, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > Here's an interesting observation - just setup my newly received > Raspberry Pi 3. After setting it, which was very simple, I selected > fldigi and flrig from the software directory. After the installed I > plugged in my K3 USB cable and setup fldigi just as I would on any other > linux computer. Slightly amazed that it worked great. So, imagine - a > $39 computer that can run any linux ham software and its smaller than > your hand. > > Doug -- K0DXV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com > From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Mon Apr 4 19:42:40 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:42:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry PI 3 and K3 In-Reply-To: <89CC7438-4CFA-4931-A721-B0761BAE8426@socal.rr.com> References: <57029F9A.3020404@aol.com> <5702AD49.7030205@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <89CC7438-4CFA-4931-A721-B0761BAE8426@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <5702FBF0.2060809@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Setting aside the tiny screen, it fails the test with the external keyboard. I'd really like to do this in just two boxes -- and as someone who touch-types over 80wpm, it must have a really good keyboard. On 4/4/2016 11:53 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > NUE PSK also works well with KX3 From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Apr 4 19:47:57 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:47:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry PI 3 and K3 In-Reply-To: <5702FBF0.2060809@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <57029F9A.3020404@aol.com> <5702AD49.7030205@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <89CC7438-4CFA-4931-A721-B0761BAE8426@socal.rr.com> <5702FBF0.2060809@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <5702FD2D.8060005@socal.rr.com> I have a very good keyboard for it. Phil W7OX On 4/4/16 4:42 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Setting aside the tiny screen, it fails the test > with the external keyboard. > > I'd really like to do this in just two boxes -- > and as someone who touch-types over 80wpm, it > must have a really good keyboard. > > On 4/4/2016 11:53 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> NUE PSK also works well with KX3 From jackbrindle at me.com Mon Apr 4 20:07:35 2016 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 17:07:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fault Anomalie with Flex 6700, KPA500, KAT500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50ED8BD6-9995-44AB-A9AD-B3750C6A8684@me.com> What firmware versions are in the KPA500 and KAT500? This is most important for the KPA500, which required an update (V1.34 if my memory is working correctly) to make it work properly with the KAT500 in this situation. Note that the KPA will detect the high SWR condition first, then wait for the KAT to tell it that it is handling things. If that information doesn?t come through in the form of negating the PTT line, then the KPA will go ahead and assert a fault condition. It sounds like this is happening. The solution is to make sure you have the latest KPA500 firmware and that the PTT signal goes from the transceiver to the KAT500, then from the KAT500 to the KPA500. - Jack Brindle, W6FB > On Apr 4, 2016, at 2:25 PM, george allen wrote: > > I am using a Flex 6700 into a KPA500 into a KAT500. I have "trained" the > tuner and placed the tuner into manual mode as per a document from Elecraft. > > All works well when I stay on a specific band. When I initiate a "tune", > the tuner quickly goes to the preset tuning without a problem. > > When I go to another band, for example if I am operating on 40 then go to > 20, it takes a second for the tuner to read the frequency during which both > the tuner and KPA500 see a high SWR. The amp then locks out. > > I am using the cabling as described on page 10 of the KAT500 manual; but, > instead of Icom transceiver, I am using a Flex transceiver. > > While this is not an issue when operating from my shack, when I operate > from a remote location, I am unable to use the amplifier. > > Any thoughts on how to correct this issue? > > George > K2CM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From pastormg2 at verizon.net Mon Apr 4 21:03:33 2016 From: pastormg2 at verizon.net (pastormg2 at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 20:03:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Internal Speaker Question Message-ID: <30327092.36556.1459818213480.JavaMail.root@vznit170184.mailsrvcs.net> From rhulett1 at consolidated.net Mon Apr 4 21:12:02 2016 From: rhulett1 at consolidated.net (Curt) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 20:12:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 (still) a classic! Message-ID: <35374E86C939406887EB832F95D3B893@DB1B1VF1> >Now all you have to do is build a K2 hi hi... Already did, s/n 6424. Added KSB2, KPA100. Enjoy using it too :-) I also built K-FL2 for 80/17 n 12/10. Rarely used but ready if needed. I recall the parts at issue were the trimmer caps. 72, Curt KB5JO From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Mon Apr 4 21:15:43 2016 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 21:15:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2016 Georgia QSO Party This Weekend Message-ID: <011101d18ed8$ad473460$07d59d20$@gmail.com> All, The 2016 Georgia QSO Party takes place this weekend, April 9 and 10, on your nearest HF band! The contest runs 2 10-hour shifts, 18:00 UTC April 9 - 03:59 UTC April 10 and 14:00 April 10 - 23:59 April 10. At some point during these windows, all 159 Georgia counties will be activated. If you are a county hunter needing Georgia counties or looking for Georgia for that initial contact or band/mode fill for Worked All States, this weekend is the perfect opportunity to nab those needed QSOs. This is one of the most popular QSO parties of the contesting year, and there is much participation from the Georgia end of the QSO. Please join me as I activate Fulton County from my home shack in Roswell, GA. I will be active all 20 hours of the contest, on all bands, working phone only. I would love to work you and give you the state, Fulton County, or a band/mode fill. More information can be found at http://www.georgiaqsoparty.org. Thank you and 73, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Mon Apr 4 21:23:16 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 18:23:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 (still) a classic! In-Reply-To: <35374E86C939406887EB832F95D3B893@DB1B1VF1> References: <35374E86C939406887EB832F95D3B893@DB1B1VF1> Message-ID: <1459819396126-7615932.post@n2.nabble.com> Interesting... the bandpass filter trimmers in my latest K2 have changed, IMO, for the slightly worse in terms of quality. My first K2 (#6882 ) has nice well made looking trimmer caps in it, but 4 of the ones in the new kit are these barrel shaped ones that are kind of blah in terms of quality, and a little dodgier to get a screwdriver into. So maybe there are supply issues already affecting the K2 also? But that's one of the reasons I went ahead and got another kit. I like my first K2 so much I wanted to build another one. I thought about a K1 while making the decision but without the 4-band model being available, went ahead with another K2. I'm at the grounding crystal cans step right now in fact and taking a break. This is the ugliest part of the build and fortunately it's downhill after this part. Winding toroids is no problem compared to this lol... 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-still-a-classic-tp7615852p7615932.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Apr 4 22:30:04 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 22:30:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal Speaker Question In-Reply-To: <30327092.36556.1459818213480.JavaMail.root@vznit170184.mailsrvcs.net> References: <30327092.36556.1459818213480.JavaMail.root@vznit170184.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <95C1363D-9356-46D2-86C5-BAB5D685D1B4@widomaker.com> Yes. It has one. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:03 PM, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote: > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Apr 4 22:32:59 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 22:32:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 (still) a classic! In-Reply-To: <1459819396126-7615932.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <35374E86C939406887EB832F95D3B893@DB1B1VF1> <1459819396126-7615932.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570323DB.5090707@embarqmail.com> LS, There is a "secret" to soldering the grounding wires to the base of the crystals. First, use a screwdriver to form the wires up against the crystal bodies. Then run your soldering temperature up to 800 degF. Hold the flat of the iron against the crystal body on one side of the ground wire. Put a bit of solder under the iron tip to help conduct heat. Now hold the end of your solder against the crystal can, but a small bit away from the iron and the ground wire. When the solder melts on the crystal can, move the end of the solder over to the wire to give a little more flux to the connection. You should see a nice smooth but thin edge to the solder on the crystal can. Job done, remove the iron. I prefer to tilt the board so the connection to be made is more horizontal than vertical. I don't know if gravity helps, but it produces a good ground on the crystal cans for me. It is easier for me than stripping and tinning toroid leads. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/4/2016 9:23 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: > I'm at the grounding crystal cans step right now in fact and taking a break. > This is the ugliest part of the build and fortunately it's downhill after > this part. Winding toroids is no problem compared to this lol... > > 73, > LS > W5QD > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-still-a-classic-tp7615852p7615932.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From pastormg2 at verizon.net Mon Apr 4 22:41:07 2016 From: pastormg2 at verizon.net (pastormg2 at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 21:41:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Internal Speaker Problem Message-ID: <23339088.73150.1459824067234.JavaMail.root@vznit170170.mailsrvcs.net> Good Evening, This is mark griffin, KB3Z. I forgot to write the message in text. Here we go again!!! I installed my KDVR a few months ago. And for some reason the internal speaker does not work. It has been suggested that I don't have the DSP board seated correctly or perhaps the front panel is not seated correctly. When I plug headphones into the headphone jack I get audio into the headphones. Also, the KDVR works also. Would the KDVR still work even though the DSP board or front panel may not be seated correctly? Thanks for any advice I receive. Mark Griffin, KB3Z From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Apr 4 22:46:33 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 22:46:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 (still) a classic! In-Reply-To: <1459819396126-7615932.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <35374E86C939406887EB832F95D3B893@DB1B1VF1> <1459819396126-7615932.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <57032709.3050700@embarqmail.com> LS, Yes, the demise of available ceramic trimmers (original) and later the demise of the wide range blue trimmers (1 to 40pF) used in both the K1 4 band board and the K2 bandpass filters (and wattmeters) has cause quite a stir for Elecraft. The best trimmers now available have been supplied with your K2 kit, and yes they are a bit harder to adjust then those with a standard screwdriver slot, but a screwdriver can still be used to adjust them. Use a blade width that is just a bit more narrow than the diameter of the hole. Similar capacitors have been used in the K60XV option and the KX1 for a long time now - except those are bottom adjust where the new ones for the K2 are top adjust. Read the errata to determine which color trimmers go where. Never-the-less, those are good quality trimmer capacitors that will hold their adjustment over a long period of time. The experience with similar trimmers used in the K60XV option and the KX1 indicate that those trimmers are good ones to use. Notice that they do have a flat side, so orient them correctly with the flat side indicated by the silkscreen or the parts placement diagram. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/4/2016 9:23 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: > Interesting... the bandpass filter trimmers in my latest K2 have changed, > IMO, for the slightly worse in terms of quality. My first K2 (#6882 ) has > nice well made looking trimmer caps in it, but 4 of the ones in the new kit > are these barrel shaped ones that are kind of blah in terms of quality, and > a little dodgier to get a screwdriver into. > > So maybe there are supply issues already affecting the K2 also? From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Apr 4 22:52:49 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 22:52:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal Speaker Problem In-Reply-To: <23339088.73150.1459824067234.JavaMail.root@vznit170170.mailsrvcs.net> References: <23339088.73150.1459824067234.JavaMail.root@vznit170170.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <57032881.3040603@embarqmail.com> Mark, The proper answer is "maybe". Check the audio amplifier for the speaker by plugging your headphones (or external speakers) into the speaker jack in the back of the K3. If you have audio there, the speaker amplifier is working and there is not a problem with the DSP board or Front Panel board. If you do get audio through the rear speaker jack, then check that you have the internal speaker plugged in completely and correctly. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/4/2016 10:41 PM, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote: > Good Evening, > This is mark griffin, KB3Z. I forgot to write the message in text. Here we go again!!! I installed my KDVR a few months ago. And for some reason the internal speaker does not work. It has been suggested that I don't have the DSP board seated correctly or perhaps the front panel is not seated correctly. When I plug headphones into the headphone jack I get audio into the headphones. Also, the KDVR works also. Would the KDVR still work even though the DSP board or front panel may not be seated correctly? Thanks for any advice I receive. Mark Griffin, KB3Z > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Apr 4 23:16:17 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 23:16:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Rerouting the KRX3 AUX Input from the Rear BNC to the KAT3 In-Reply-To: <611319803.2054493.1459702688018.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <611319803.2054493.1459702688018.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <611319803.2054493.1459702688018.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57032E01.6090506@embarqmail.com> Paul, You don't have to do anything to share the mainRX with the subRX - the K3 will split the receive (through the 3dB splitter) to the main antenna for both receivers. That is good for SPLIT operation, but will not produce diversity receive. For diversity, you do need two antennas which are separated either by space or by orientation ( for example, 1 horizontal and the other vertical) or by using a separate receive only antenna. That cannot be accomplished by a single coax to the K3 ANT1 jack. Since you currently have the cable from the KAT3 to the subRX AUX ANT input, you could put the RX antenna for the subRX on the non-transmit (presumably ANT2) connector for diversity - but that is 'dangerous' because if you accidentally select ANT2 for transmit, you will transmit into your receive antenna - if it contains a preamp, that preamp may be destroyed by transmitting into its output. The safer way (in your case) is to change the K3 cable to the subRX AUX ANT input to use the BNC jack. You can then connect the RX ANT to the BNC jack and using BSET, tell the subRX to use the auxiliary antenna input. The inclusion of the KAT500 does complicate the situation. If you look at the KAT500 as providing the antenna for transmit as well as the mainRX antenna (and also for the subRX when sharing the antenna with the mainRX), then you will be OK, but that will not do diversity receive since both receivers will be listening to the same antenna. For diversity receive, select the AUX antenna input for the subRX and connect the receive antenna to the BNC jack. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/3/2016 12:58 PM, paul ecker via Elecraft wrote: > Interesting thread and one that I have a question on. I have three antennas coming in to the KAT3 and one jumper running from the KAT3 XMTR connector to my K3 Ant1. When I installed the KRX3, I made the choice to have the main and sub receiver share the antenna output of the KAT3. Since I had two choices at the time it seems like the most practical and because all my antennas were routed through the KAT500. So my question given the presence of the KAT, is there still a practical way to switch back and forth between my present setup and using the KRX3 for diversity receive? Hope question is not too confusing. > From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Tue Apr 5 00:14:02 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 21:14:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 (still) a classic! In-Reply-To: <570323DB.5090707@embarqmail.com> References: <35374E86C939406887EB832F95D3B893@DB1B1VF1> <1459819396126-7615932.post@n2.nabble.com> <570323DB.5090707@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1459829642170-7615939.post@n2.nabble.com> Ok thanks for the info, Don. I've actually been having success with a slightly different method for the ones on the tops of the cans. What I do now is form the lead and put it in place through the grounding hole (a spare anti-stat foam pad under the RF board for them to stick into helps). Then, with a small blob of solder on the iron, I hold the lead in place on top of the can with the right finger and make a quick-n-crappy solder connection at the grounding hole. This freezes the lead in place. Then it's a simple matter to solder it onto the can in 2 secs or less because it's all held firmly in place for me. Then I go under the board and repair the actual ground connection at the hole. I did the reference osc., BFO and the 2 filter cans this way earlier this eve and it worked great. I'm going to try a variant of that on X7-11 tomorrow. On my first K2 some years ago I discovered the biggest problem is holding the #$^@#$ little things in place while you solder them. I don't know how I did them on my first K2, but it's going a lot better on this one..... 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-still-a-classic-tp7615852p7615939.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Tue Apr 5 00:16:39 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 21:16:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K1 (still) a classic! In-Reply-To: <57032709.3050700@embarqmail.com> References: <35374E86C939406887EB832F95D3B893@DB1B1VF1> <1459819396126-7615932.post@n2.nabble.com> <57032709.3050700@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1459829799844-7615940.post@n2.nabble.com> Ah, ok, thanks. I'll not worry about it then. I did locate a flat blade jewelers screwdriver in my parts box that fits and rotates them, so I think I'll be OK. Support said to be sure to obey the orientation with the flat side, which I'll certainly do. Sure hope this doesn't deep six the kit ever, or at least for a long time. I hope 2 copies of the K2 last me long enough lol. 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K1-still-a-classic-tp7615852p7615940.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Apr 5 00:51:54 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 00:51:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal Speaker Problem In-Reply-To: <23339088.73150.1459824067234.JavaMail.root@vznit170170.mailsrvcs.net> References: <23339088.73150.1459824067234.JavaMail.root@vznit170170.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <5166779E-1AB9-46EF-A57E-2D7F48D1E554@widomaker.com> First question: Did you plug in the speaker lead to the connector on the KIO3 board in the rear of the box before you replaced the screws? I use external speakers and I forgot this step sometime last spring. Didn't realize it until Field Day when we do use the internal speaker. Don't remember why I was inside the case but........ Easy fix. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:41 PM, pastormg2 at verizon.net wrote: > > Good Evening, > This is mark griffin, KB3Z. I forgot to write the message in text. Here we go again!!! I installed my KDVR a few months ago. And for some reason the internal speaker does not work. It has been suggested that I don't have the DSP board seated correctly or perhaps the front panel is not seated correctly. When I plug headphones into the headphone jack I get audio into the headphones. Also, the KDVR works also. Would the KDVR still work even though the DSP board or front panel may not be seated correctly? Thanks for any advice I receive. Mark Griffin, KB3Z > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From elecraft at g4fre.com Tue Apr 5 02:37:47 2016 From: elecraft at g4fre.com (Dave) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 07:37:47 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A Upgrade successful Message-ID: <000b01d18f05$ab8f9fe0$02aedfa0$@com> I modified the two KBPF3 in my K3S to make them KBPF3A over the weekend. Well worth the effort as it resulted in seeing transatlantic WSPR signals:- 2016-04-02 05:10 WG2XJM 0.475761 -29 0 EN91wr 5 G4FRE IO82uc 5732km 2016-04-02 04:42 WG2XJM 0.475761 -28 0 EN91wr 5 G4FRE IO82uc 5732km Antenna was a PA0RDT active whip in the roof space Dave G4FRE From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 5 03:22:17 2016 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:22:17 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry PI 3 and K3 In-Reply-To: References: <57029F9A.3020404@aol.com><5702AD49.7030205@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: A friend recently bought an iRulu tablet for ?16 including postage, attached a Bluetooth converter for ?17, some software for ?3.50 and was able to control his 817 from inside a tent. I'm looking forward to seeing that on Elecraft gear. David G3UNA > > The trouble with pi-top is that the screen and keyboard, and general fit > and finish aren't that great. If there's Android software that can meet > your needs, you'll get more power, better screen, better construction, and > a better keyboard by picking up an older model Nexus tablet and a matching > Bluetooth keyboard. > > My ideal portable rig just for digital modes would be a battery powered > PX3 > with the smallest, cheapest USB keyboard I could find. But, I assume if > Elecraft could have put batteries in the PX3 they would have. > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Tue Apr 5 06:33:50 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 06:33:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 vs Icon 7300 Message-ID: <5703948E.3020009@nycap.rr.com> Anyone able to do a side-by-side? Would be very interesting to hear about. Bill W2BLC K-Line From no3m at no3m.net Tue Apr 5 07:07:04 2016 From: no3m at no3m.net (Eric NO3M) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 07:07:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A Upgrade successful In-Reply-To: <000b01d18f05$ab8f9fe0$02aedfa0$@com> References: <000b01d18f05$ab8f9fe0$02aedfa0$@com> Message-ID: <57039C58.2020604@no3m.net> Dave Congrats on your TA reception and thanks for the spots! I am still using a transverter (VK3XDK) with my K3 here, haven't upgraded synths yet. GL 630M, hope we can QSO some day when band gets approved for Amateur use here. 73 Eric NO3M / WG2XJM On 04/05/2016 02:37 AM, Dave wrote: > I modified the two KBPF3 in my K3S to make them KBPF3A over the weekend. > Well worth the effort as it resulted in seeing transatlantic WSPR signals:- > > 2016-04-02 05:10 WG2XJM 0.475761 -29 0 > EN91wr 5 G4FRE IO82uc 5732km > 2016-04-02 04:42 WG2XJM 0.475761 -28 0 EN91wr 5 > G4FRE IO82uc 5732km > > > Antenna was a PA0RDT active whip in the roof space > > Dave > G4FRE > From pastormg2 at verizon.net Tue Apr 5 07:39:40 2016 From: pastormg2 at verizon.net (pastormg2 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 06:39:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Internal Speaker Update! Message-ID: <2533655.74874.1459856380441.JavaMail.root@vms170015.mailsrvcs.net> Here is an update to the internal speaker issue with my K3. 1. If I plug my headphones into the speaker jack in the back I hear audio. 2. But, for #1 to happen the speaker setting in config must be #2. If it is #1, I get no audio. 3. I have even plugged in a new speaker I received from Elecraft yesterday and I still don't get audio from the internal speaker. 4. I am going to send this information to Howard at Elecraft Service to get his opinions on this. 5. Not sure whether the KIO3 board is defective or not. I have never moved or done anything with the board for it to become unseated. Mark Griffin, KB3Z From fcady at montana.edu Tue Apr 5 08:18:33 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 12:18:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal Speaker Update! In-Reply-To: <2533655.74874.1459856380441.JavaMail.root@vms170015.mailsrvcs.net> References: <2533655.74874.1459856380441.JavaMail.root@vms170015.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Given those symptoms I don't think this is it, but you could try going to speaker+phones and tapping the 1 key to toggle between PH.R SW- and +. Cheers, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of pastormg2 at verizon.net Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 5:39 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Internal Speaker Update! Here is an update to the internal speaker issue with my K3. 1. If I plug my headphones into the speaker jack in the back I hear audio. 2. But, for #1 to happen the speaker setting in config must be #2. If it is #1, I get no audio. 3. I have even plugged in a new speaker I received from Elecraft yesterday and I still don't get audio from the internal speaker. 4. I am going to send this information to Howard at Elecraft Service to get his opinions on this. 5. Not sure whether the KIO3 board is defective or not. I have never moved or done anything with the board for it to become unseated. Mark Griffin, KB3Z ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From wa8jxm at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 09:00:03 2016 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 09:00:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fault Anomalie with Flex 6700, KPA500, KAT500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5703B6D3.90604@gmail.com> If I understand your situation, you are depending on the rf signal triggering the change in frequency and tuning. That usually works but is slower than having the tuning set before you push the transmit button. Using something like DxLab Commander lets a signal be sent to the tuner (or amplifier) as soon as you change the VFO and therefore the amp and tuner can be ready as soon as the transmit switch is thrown. Likewise the Flex friendly utility DDUTIL will communicate with the KPA500 as well as DXCommander. Ken WA8JXM On 4/4/16 5:25 PM, george allen wrote: > I am using a Flex 6700 into a KPA500 into a KAT500. I have "trained" the > tuner and placed the tuner into manual mode as per a document from Elecraft. > > All works well when I stay on a specific band. When I initiate a "tune", > the tuner quickly goes to the preset tuning without a problem. > > When I go to another band, for example if I am operating on 40 then go to > 20, it takes a second for the tuner to read the frequency during which both > the tuner and KPA500 see a high SWR. The amp then locks out. > > I am using the cabling as described on page 10 of the KAT500 manual; but, > instead of Icom transceiver, I am using a Flex transceiver. > > While this is not an issue when operating from my shack, when I operate > from a remote location, I am unable to use the amplifier. > > Any thoughts on how to correct this issue? > > George > K2CM From k2cm.george at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 10:31:50 2016 From: k2cm.george at gmail.com (george allen) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 10:31:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fault anomolie...F6700, KPA500, KAT500 update Message-ID: Thanks to all for the configuration suggestions ....and as suggested, the "help" button provided additional guidance. I have changed the configuration in regard to "Amp Key Interrupt..." and VSWR Threshold as suggested. i have tested band switching for a while and it all seems to work well now! Should the problem recur, I should be able to correct it. I will start remote testing shortly. I very much appreciate all of the help and guidance offered to me! Many thanks! George K2CM Vestal, NY From ron at cobi.biz Tue Apr 5 12:33:54 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 09:33:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal Speaker Update! In-Reply-To: <2533655.74874.1459856380441.JavaMail.root@vms170015.mailsrvcs.net> References: <2533655.74874.1459856380441.JavaMail.root@vms170015.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <003301d18f58$f20fa2a0$d62ee7e0$@biz> Picking up this thread late, but have you run into this situation? From the Kit Assy Manual: If you hear nothing in the speaker when first applying power to your K3S (and no headphones plugged in) hold CONFIG to access the configuration menu, then rotate VFO B to display SPKR+PH. Tap 1 on the numeric keypad until you see PH.R SW - and exit the menu. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of pastormg2 at verizon.net Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 4:40 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Internal Speaker Update! Here is an update to the internal speaker issue with my K3. 1. If I plug my headphones into the speaker jack in the back I hear audio. 2. But, for #1 to happen the speaker setting in config must be #2. If it is #1, I get no audio. 3. I have even plugged in a new speaker I received from Elecraft yesterday and I still don't get audio from the internal speaker. 4. I am going to send this information to Howard at Elecraft Service to get his opinions on this. 5. Not sure whether the KIO3 board is defective or not. I have never moved or done anything with the board for it to become unseated. Mark Griffin, KB3Z From mike at mdodd.com Tue Apr 5 14:44:58 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 14:44:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: SP3 External Speaker Message-ID: <570407AA.2010306@mdodd.com> UPS just delivered my K3s kit s/n 10727. 8^) What was I thinking?! I foolishly ordered an SP3 external speaker without checking where I would put it. There is no place for it, so I'm selling it. The speaker is still in its factory-sealed carton, ready to ship to you. I paid $179.95 plus shipping, but will sell it for $165. I'll pay the first $15 of the shipping cost (I prefer Priority Mail). Check, money order, or PayPal (you pay 3% PP fee). Please reply OFF LIST directly to me. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft KX3 + KXPA100 @ 100W Elecraft PX3 panadapter Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From jdwalkerjr at aol.com Tue Apr 5 16:49:22 2016 From: jdwalkerjr at aol.com (James D. (Jimmy) Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 16:49:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Firmware Failure Message-ID: I wrote a few months ago about the strange occurrence of finding my firmware missing or corrupted on my K-3. In it?s state of failure it displays MCU LD on a dark screen. The Transmit light blinks on and off. My computer cannot detect the K-3 to reload the firmware. The problem has occurred several times. The solution, inconvenient but workable, is to disconnect the P-3 and hook the computer up directly to the K-3. In doing so, I can reload the firmware. My question is, ?Why does my K-3 lose it?s mind?? Is there some battery that backs up the firmware? Could such a battery be dead as happens sometimes in older computers? This is very inconvenient. Help please. Jimmy, WA4ILO From mike at mdodd.com Tue Apr 5 17:27:52 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 17:27:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: SP3 External Speaker In-Reply-To: <570407AA.2010306@mdodd.com> References: <570407AA.2010306@mdodd.com> Message-ID: <57042DD8.5000105@mdodd.com> On 4/5/2016 2:44 PM, Mike Dodd wrote: The SP3 has been sold. Thanks, Henry. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft KX3 + KXPA100 @ 100W Elecraft PX3 panadapter Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 5 18:02:30 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 18:02:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Firmware Failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <570435F6.60105@embarqmail.com> Jimmy, That MCU LD should only happen on rare occasions, like when power is interrupted or the computer 'glitches' during a firmware download. When does it occur? At Power ON time? If so, how are you turning off your K3? You must use the POWER button to turn the K3 off. Powering off your power supply can cause that failure. You may want to check your power supply to see if it is dropping out, or if the power cable is faulty. The firmware is stored in EEPROM and there is no need for a 'backup battery'. The only battery in the K3 is the coin battery that runs the clock. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/5/2016 4:49 PM, James D. (Jimmy) Walker, Jr. via Elecraft wrote: > I wrote a few months ago about the strange occurrence of finding my firmware missing or corrupted on my K-3. In it?s state of failure it displays MCU LD on a dark screen. The Transmit light blinks on and off. My computer cannot detect the K-3 to reload the firmware. The problem has occurred several times. The solution, inconvenient but workable, is to disconnect the P-3 and hook the computer up directly to the K-3. In doing so, I can reload the firmware. My question is, ?Why does my K-3 lose it?s mind?? Is there some battery that backs up the firmware? Could such a battery be dead as happens sometimes in older computers? This is very inconvenient. Help please. > > From gibson at alma.edu Tue Apr 5 18:07:03 2016 From: gibson at alma.edu (John Gibson) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 22:07:03 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Jade Products battery charger In-Reply-To: <003301d18f58$f20fa2a0$d62ee7e0$@biz> References: <2533655.74874.1459856380441.JavaMail.root@vms170015.mailsrvcs.net>, <003301d18f58$f20fa2a0$d62ee7e0$@biz> Message-ID: I have a Jade Products battery charger, originally purchased as a kit and built about 1999. The design uses a UC3906 three-state charger IC, which was very much in vogue at the time. A label on the charger indicates that the company was located in E. Hamstead, NH. I believe the designer and company owner was a ham. I have lost the owner?s manual and am looking for any literature I can find on the charger. I especially would like to have a circuit diagram. If you can help me, please reply off list. Thank you. 73, John Gibson, no8v From edauer at law.du.edu Tue Apr 5 18:58:23 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 22:58:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The ?Blob Method? worked well for me in building the K2 (and now the K1); but it might be important not to inhale. At the time I looked into what?s in the fumes when both the solder and the enamel coating on the wire are smoking. While I don?t know exactly what the coating is on the particular wire supplied by Elecraft, in general when it?s vaporized the coating is vile stuff. I set a fan on the workbench to direct the fumes away from my face; and I still held my breath for each winding leg. Makes it useful to learn how to do a fast Blob Strip. Ted, KN1CBR >Message: 11 >Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 22:32:59 -0400 >From: Don Wilhelm >To: lstavenhagen , elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 (still) a classic! >Message-ID: <570323DB.5090707 at embarqmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >LS, > >There is a "secret" to soldering the grounding wires to the base of the >crystals. >. . . > >It is easier for me than stripping and tinning toroid leads. > >73, >Don W3FPR > From don at w3fpr.com Tue Apr 5 19:08:13 2016 From: don at w3fpr.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 19:08:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5704455D.4030109@w3fpr.com> Yes, the fumes from that burnt enamel are quite nasty. I would say they are more harmful than normal solder flux vapors. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/5/2016 6:58 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > The ?Blob Method? worked well for me in building the K2 (and now the K1); > but it might be important not to inhale. > > At the time I looked into what?s in the fumes when both the solder and the > enamel coating on the wire are smoking. While I don?t know exactly what > the coating is on the particular wire supplied by Elecraft, in general > when it?s vaporized the coating is vile stuff. I set a fan on the > workbench to direct the fumes away from my face; and I still held my > breath for each winding leg. Makes it useful to learn how to do a fast > Blob Strip. > > Ted, KN1CBR > > >> Message: 11 >> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 22:32:59 -0400 >> From: Don Wilhelm >> To: lstavenhagen , elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 (still) a classic! >> Message-ID: <570323DB.5090707 at embarqmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> LS, >> >> There is a "secret" to soldering the grounding wires to the base of the >> crystals. >> . . . >> >> It is easier for me than stripping and tinning toroid leads. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> > From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 5 19:15:24 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 00:15:24 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: <5704455D.4030109@w3fpr.com> References: <5704455D.4030109@w3fpr.com> Message-ID: <09D26F24-7CCF-4593-8BD1-604D170F63E5@yahoo.co.uk> I seem to recall they could produce cyanide fumes. Best to use good ventilation and a fume extractor fan with filter if you are doing a lot of them. I like the smell of solder flux, but after reading about the health problems they can cause I invested in a fume extractor here. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 6 Apr 2016, at 00:08, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Yes, the fumes from that burnt enamel are quite nasty. I would say they are more harmful than normal solder flux vapors. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 4/5/2016 6:58 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> The ?Blob Method? worked well for me in building the K2 (and now the K1); >> but it might be important not to inhale. >> >> At the time I looked into what?s in the fumes when both the solder and the >> enamel coating on the wire are smoking. While I don?t know exactly what >> the coating is on the particular wire supplied by Elecraft, in general >> when it?s vaporized the coating is vile stuff. I set a fan on the >> workbench to direct the fumes away from my face; and I still held my >> breath for each winding leg. Makes it useful to learn how to do a fast >> Blob Strip. >> >> Ted, KN1CBR >> >> >>> Message: 11 >>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 22:32:59 -0400 >>> From: Don Wilhelm >>> To: lstavenhagen , elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 (still) a classic! >>> Message-ID: <570323DB.5090707 at embarqmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>> >>> LS, >>> >>> There is a "secret" to soldering the grounding wires to the base of the >>> crystals. >>> . . . >>> >>> It is easier for me than stripping and tinning toroid leads. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From k9ma at sdellington.us Tue Apr 5 19:17:04 2016 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (Scott Ellington) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 18:17:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57044770.7070200@sdellington.us> There are two very different kinds of insulation used on magnet wire. One type, which I presume Elecraft uses, can be stripped with solder and a sufficiently hot soldering iron. It's also fairly easy to scrape off. The other, "heavy polythermaleze", or whatever it's called these days, is practically indestructible. It has to be stripped mechanically, and even that's hard. I think the copper would melt before the stuff would burn. Unless you're planning to run your toroids really hot, it's more trouble than it's worth. 73, Scott K9MA On 4/5/2016 17:58, Dauer, Edward wrote: > The ?Blob Method? worked well for me in building the K2 (and now the K1); > but it might be important not to inhale. > > At the time I looked into what?s in the fumes when both the solder and the > enamel coating on the wire are smoking. While I don?t know exactly what > the coating is on the particular wire supplied by Elecraft, in general > when it?s vaporized the coating is vile stuff. I set a fan on the > workbench to direct the fumes away from my face; and I still held my > breath for each winding leg. Makes it useful to learn how to do a fast > Blob Strip. > > Ted, KN1CBR > > >> Message: 11 >> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 22:32:59 -0400 >> From: Don Wilhelm >> To: lstavenhagen , elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 (still) a classic! >> Message-ID: <570323DB.5090707 at embarqmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> LS, >> >> There is a "secret" to soldering the grounding wires to the base of the >> crystals. >> . . . >> >> It is easier for me than stripping and tinning toroid leads. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9ma at sdellington.us -- Scott Ellington K9MA Madison, Wisconsin, USA k9ma at sdellington.us From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 5 19:37:24 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 19:37:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: <57044770.7070200@sdellington.us> References: <57044770.7070200@sdellington.us> Message-ID: <57044C34.7000405@embarqmail.com> The wire Elecraft supplies is in the category of "Thermalese" which is heat strippable, but if you get wire from an electric motor shop, that insulation will likely be "Formvar" which resists heat and must be mechanically stripped. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/5/2016 7:17 PM, Scott Ellington wrote: > There are two very different kinds of insulation used on magnet wire. > One type, which I presume Elecraft uses, can be stripped with solder > and a sufficiently hot soldering iron. It's also fairly easy to > scrape off. The other, "heavy polythermaleze", or whatever it's > called these days, is practically indestructible. It has to be > stripped mechanically, and even that's hard. I think the copper would > melt before the stuff would burn. Unless you're planning to run your > toroids really hot, it's more trouble than it's worth. From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Tue Apr 5 20:51:31 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 17:51:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1459903891688-7615960.post@n2.nabble.com> Glad I use the sandpaper method on my toroid leads lol. In fact, funny this should come up, because I just started winding my new K2's toroids this evening. But the solder blob method fails on this kit in exactly the same way as it did on my first K2 some years ago. It's possible that the tip in my iron is too cold (weller WTCPT with 700f tip), but I can hold it onto the wire forever and it'll never bubble up and burn off. Go figure.... But as others have noted, it scrapes off pretty easily so I just use some fine sandpaper and I can clean them almost all the way up to the hilt (the toroid body). Works perfectly as long as I'm not too aggressive and remove too much metal. I too kind of like the smell of flux, but I try to keep from breathing it in too much. 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Stripping-toroid-leads-tp7615955p7615960.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 5 21:47:20 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 21:47:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: <1459903891688-7615960.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1459903891688-7615960.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <57046AA8.5010004@embarqmail.com> LS, Yes, the solder blob method works best with a wide tip on the iron to hold a substantial blob of solder and a temperature of 800 degF. I use my Hakko 808 for stripping leads, and it works wonderfully. The only downside is that the enamel residue accumulates in the desoldering tip and I have to clean it well after using it for stripping and tinning. For those who have a desoldering iron similar to the Hakko 808, put the lead in the tip and add a bit of solder at the junction of the tip and wire. When you see a puff of smoke come out, pull the trigger and extract the lead. You should find a nicely stripped and tinned lead. Clean the desoldering iron afterwards. I would discourage builders from using the "flick the BIC" stripping. While it does vaporize the enamel, there is a residue left that often resists proper tinning afterward. My repair activities have revealed many PTTL (Poorly Tinned Toriod Leads) that have been stripped of enamel using a flame. If you do use a flame to strip the toroid leads, clean the residue from the leads with sandpaper and then tin. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/5/2016 8:51 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: > Glad I use the sandpaper method on my toroid leads lol. In fact, funny this > should come up, because I just started winding my new K2's toroids this > evening. But the solder blob method fails on this kit in exactly the same > way as it did on my first K2 some years ago. It's possible that the tip in > my iron is too cold (weller WTCPT with 700f tip), but I can hold it onto the > wire forever and it'll never bubble up and burn off. Go figure.... > > But as others have noted, it scrapes off pretty easily so I just use some > fine sandpaper and I can clean them almost all the way up to the hilt (the > toroid body). Works perfectly as long as I'm not too aggressive and remove > too much metal. > > From ron at cobi.biz Tue Apr 5 22:28:54 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 19:28:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: <1459903891688-7615960.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1459903891688-7615960.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <000c01d18fac$1120bc80$33623580$@biz> As Don said, heat is important to use the blob method. I have a 275 watt Weller D-550 gun with a fat tip that does a great job, but I still prefer sanding. Just fold a bit of sand paper and trap the wire inside and pull. Repeat while turning the wire until it's all clean, then tin. Some enamel wire is more easily heat-strippable than others. In fact, I've seen some brands advertised as "heat strippable" with "Thermaleze" or "Solidon(r)" insulation. Like LS, I like the smell of hot rosin. It's part of Ham Radio for me. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of lstavenhagen Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 5:52 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads Glad I use the sandpaper method on my toroid leads lol. In fact, funny this should come up, because I just started winding my new K2's toroids this evening. But the solder blob method fails on this kit in exactly the same way as it did on my first K2 some years ago. It's possible that the tip in my iron is too cold (weller WTCPT with 700f tip), but I can hold it onto the wire forever and it'll never bubble up and burn off. Go figure.... But as others have noted, it scrapes off pretty easily so I just use some fine sandpaper and I can clean them almost all the way up to the hilt (the toroid body). Works perfectly as long as I'm not too aggressive and remove too much metal. I too kind of like the smell of flux, but I try to keep from breathing it in too much. 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Stripping-toroid-leads-tp7615955p761596 0.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From jdwalkerjr at aol.com Tue Apr 5 22:38:32 2016 From: jdwalkerjr at aol.com (James D. (Jimmy) Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 22:38:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Firmware Failure - Update Message-ID: I?m getting some interesting responses to my question about firmware failure. Thanks to everyone who has replied directly. To update my post, I always turn the rig off using the power switch. I never turn off the power supply to the rig. There is always power available at the power input. When the MCU LD failure occurs, it?s always at the power on, startup time, after the rig has been idle for a week or two. If the rig will power on correctly, it will not fail during operation. Does the EEPROM unplug to make replacement easier? Jimmy, WA4ILO From tcrayner at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 22:38:49 2016 From: tcrayner at gmail.com (Tom Crayner) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 22:38:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Power Consumption at 15W? Message-ID: Anyone happen to know power consumption of the KX3 when running at the relatively new 15W RF output setting? I had read a while back that it was around ~2.1A at 10W. Looking at tiny power supply options and don't want to underrate. Tom, W2YF From ncrollo+elecraft at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 23:22:07 2016 From: ncrollo+elecraft at gmail.com (N8NCR) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 23:22:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 COM Port Not Working Message-ID: I have a brand new KX3, kit build. I had a hard time getting the KX3 utility to connect to the radio and its being rather picky. I was able to get it to connect once automagically and after that it hasn't worked again. I've tried: 2 different KXUSB cables Different USB ports Different computers (Win7/Win10) Different baud rates Setting baud rate in device manager to corresponding rate on radio Updating drivers Restarting computer/KX3 I'm plugging in the ACC1 port and running firmware 2.38 and out of troubleshooting steps. Any ideas? From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 5 23:34:19 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 23:34:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Power Consumption at 15W? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <570483BB.8070405@embarqmail.com> I recommend a power supply with a current rating of 6 amps or greater for the KX3 (and K2/10 or any other Elecraft legacy gear). My reason is that you likely have accessories in the shack that need to be powered. Using a power supply that is only marginal for the transceiver is false economy IMHO. If you have a 20 or 30 amp power supply available, use it. There is no sense in having a marginal power supply just because the transceiver only draws 2.1 amps at 10 watts. This advice is for home stations, for portable operation the answer will be different and depend on the operating aspirations. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/5/2016 10:38 PM, Tom Crayner wrote: > Anyone happen to know power consumption of the KX3 when running at the > relatively new 15W RF output setting? > > I had read a while back that it was around ~2.1A at 10W. Looking at tiny > power supply options and don't want to underrate. > > From ncrollo+elecraft at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 23:45:35 2016 From: ncrollo+elecraft at gmail.com (N8NCR) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 23:45:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 COM Port Not Working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unfortunately I think I found the problem. A USB 3.0 port may have fried both KXUSB cables. I found a 3rd KXUSB cable I had hiding in storage, hooked it up to the KX3 and laptop and it worked immediately. For anyone that got to this thread via search engine, here are some symptoms: Elecraft KX3 Utility v1.13.8.24 Activity Log: Attempting to contact KX3 on port COM8 at 38400 bit/s Attempting to contact KX3 on port COM8 at 19200 bit/s Attempting to contact KX3 on port COM8 at 9600 bit/s Attempting to contact KX3 on port COM8 at 4800 bit/s On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:22 PM, N8NCR wrote: > I have a brand new KX3, kit build. I had a hard time getting the KX3 > utility to connect to the radio and its being rather picky. I was able to > get it to connect once automagically and after that it hasn't worked again. > > I've tried: > 2 different KXUSB cables > Different USB ports > Different computers (Win7/Win10) > Different baud rates > Setting baud rate in device manager to corresponding rate on radio > Updating drivers > Restarting computer/KX3 > > I'm plugging in the ACC1 port and running firmware 2.38 and out of > troubleshooting steps. Any ideas? > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 5 23:45:27 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 23:45:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 COM Port Not Working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57048657.1020102@embarqmail.com> Do you see the COM port listed in the Device Manager listing without any exclamation mark? If not, then your computer and the FTDI driver needs to be addressed first. You can download the driver from the Elecraft website, although in my experience, Windows 7 or Windows 10 will load the correct driver. Once you have the COM port that is assigned to the USB adapter, then set K3Utility (KX3Utility) to use whichever port is assigned. If you change the USB plug, expect the assigned COM port to change. Test Communications in the Utility applications should reveal connection or no connection. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/5/2016 11:22 PM, N8NCR wrote: > I have a brand new KX3, kit build. I had a hard time getting the KX3 > utility to connect to the radio and its being rather picky. I was able to > get it to connect once automagically and after that it hasn't worked again. > > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Tue Apr 5 23:50:15 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 23:50:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 COM Port Not Working Message-ID: <7d29kxs3e73lgvgqm1gchj6l.1459914615436@email.android.com> HiYou should now do a Google search for how to show hidden devices in the control panel. You can then delete the hidden devices if they are now useless. This will free up any comport assignments you may have floating around.7e Tom Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: N8NCR Date: 2016-04-05 11:45 PM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 COM Port Not Working Unfortunately I think I found the problem. A USB 3.0 port may have fried both KXUSB cables. I found a 3rd KXUSB cable I had hiding in storage, hooked it up to the KX3 and laptop and it worked immediately. For anyone that got to this thread via search engine, here are some symptoms: Elecraft KX3 Utility v1.13.8.24 Activity Log: Attempting to contact KX3 on port COM8 at 38400 bit/s Attempting to contact KX3 on port COM8 at 19200 bit/s Attempting to contact KX3 on port COM8 at 9600 bit/s Attempting to contact KX3 on port COM8 at 4800 bit/s On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:22 PM, N8NCR wrote: > I have a brand new KX3, kit build. I had a hard time getting the KX3 > utility to connect to the radio and its being rather picky. I was able to > get it to connect once automagically and after that it hasn't worked again. > > I've tried: > 2 different KXUSB cables > Different USB ports > Different computers (Win7/Win10) > Different baud rates > Setting baud rate in device manager to corresponding rate on radio > Updating drivers > Restarting computer/KX3 > > I'm plugging in the ACC1 port and running firmware 2.38 and out of > troubleshooting steps. Any ideas? > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From tcrayner at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 23:54:48 2016 From: tcrayner at gmail.com (Tom Crayner) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 23:54:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Power Consumption at 15W? In-Reply-To: <570483BB.8070405@embarqmail.com> References: <570483BB.8070405@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, Agree wholeheartedly, when home I connect up to a Rigrunner hanging downstream off a 35A power supply. I was looking for something small (portable) to toss in a travel bag when on vacation. Tom On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I recommend a power supply with a current rating of 6 amps or greater for > the KX3 (and K2/10 or any other Elecraft legacy gear). > My reason is that you likely have accessories in the shack that need to be > powered. > Using a power supply that is only marginal for the transceiver is false > economy IMHO. > If you have a 20 or 30 amp power supply available, use it. There is no > sense in having a marginal power supply just because the transceiver only > draws 2.1 amps at 10 watts. > > This advice is for home stations, for portable operation the answer will > be different and depend on the operating aspirations. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 4/5/2016 10:38 PM, Tom Crayner wrote: > >> Anyone happen to know power consumption of the KX3 when running at the >> relatively new 15W RF output setting? >> >> I had read a while back that it was around ~2.1A at 10W. Looking at tiny >> power supply options and don't want to underrate. >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tcrayner at gmail.com > From K6RV at earthlink.net Wed Apr 6 00:46:10 2016 From: K6RV at earthlink.net (Donald Schliesser) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 23:46:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: KFL3A 1.0 Khz. filter for K3 Message-ID: <57049492.5040000@earthlink.net> If you have one for sale, please contact me off list. Donald K6RV From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com Wed Apr 6 03:51:56 2016 From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 08:51:56 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 144, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5704C01C.4010507@googlemail.com> On 05/04/16 22:28, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:42:40 -0700 > From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" > Cc:elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Raspberry PI 3 and K3 > Message-ID:<5702FBF0.2060809 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Setting aside the tiny screen, it fails the test with the external keyboard. > > I'd really like to do this in just two boxes -- and as someone who > touch-types over 80wpm, it must have a really good keyboard. > > On 4/4/2016 11:53 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> >NUE PSK also works well with KX3 You can easily attach the largest screen you wish to the HDMI port, and any flavour of keyboard via USB. + a real mouse too of course, and an external sound system for digimodes etc. Not forgetting the usual array of USB<>RS232 devices, or some software can be configured to flip a bit on the digital I/O header on the Pi, for things like PTT control. What you CANOT DO (sorry.) Is run native Intel x86 or x64 programs on it, not even if you use the embedded version of Windows 10. That is because it does /NOT/ use an Intel CPU, it uses an ARM chip. (Utterly different op-code/language if you will.) I see many comments where it would appear that many people do not know or appreciate that difference. Programs for the Pi (any version, and any OS) need to be compiled/built to run on the ARM CPU, usually the best results are when you build from source on the Pi. Though that can take a while with some software. Enjoy... 73. Dave G0WBX. ~~~ From dl2rum at t-online.de Wed Apr 6 06:14:24 2016 From: dl2rum at t-online.de (Thomas Lindner) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 12:14:24 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 meters MCU 01.60 Message-ID: From the firmware note: * SWR meter blanked: Both the analog and digital SWR displays are now blanked whenever the transmit power is too low to give a valid reading. What I have to do to get the meters blanked during reception? 73 de Tom DL2RUM From kc1eoq at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 07:22:00 2016 From: kc1eoq at gmail.com (Tim Henrion) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 07:22:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Power Consumption at 15W? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <468276D2-E4C7-48E6-8275-313E1D1CC14C@gmail.com> Running my KX3 on a bench power supply with built-in current monitoring, I haven?t seen it use more than 2.5 amps on SSB, when cranked up to 15W. I use the Pro Audio Engineering PAE-Kx33 power supply for plug-in travel operation, which is good for 4 amps: https://proaudioeng.com/products/pae-kx33-low-rfi-ac-power-supply/ It?s the size of a small laptop power supply and works quite nicely. Tim - KC1EOQ > On Apr 5, 2016, at 10:38 PM, Tom Crayner wrote: > > Anyone happen to know power consumption of the KX3 when running at the > relatively new 15W RF output setting? > > I had read a while back that it was around ~2.1A at 10W. Looking at tiny > power supply options and don't want to underrate. > > Tom, W2YF > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc1eoq at gmail.com From mike at mdodd.com Wed Apr 6 08:39:34 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 08:39:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 COM Port Not Working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57050386.6000109@mdodd.com> On 4/5/2016 11:45 PM, N8NCR wrote: > Unfortunately I think I found the problem. A USB 3.0 port may have fried > both KXUSB cables. I found a 3rd KXUSB cable I had hiding in storage, > hooked it up to the KX3 and laptop and it worked immediately. Try the original KXUSB cable again. On my Win 8.1 computer, sometimes serial communications stops for no apparent reason. The LEDs inside the dongle stop flashing. If I unplug/replug the dongle from the USB jack on the computer's rear panel, it starts working again. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft KX3 + KXPA100 @ 100W Elecraft PX3 panadapter Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From cautery at montac.com Wed Apr 6 09:32:56 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 08:32:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 COM Port Not Working In-Reply-To: <7d29kxs3e73lgvgqm1gchj6l.1459914615436@email.android.com> References: <7d29kxs3e73lgvgqm1gchj6l.1459914615436@email.android.com> Message-ID: <57051008.3010500@montac.com> Excellent tip... don't do it wrong. Multiple steps to show ghosted entries, NOT just hidden entries. A LOT of hidden entries should NOT be removed. ONLY remove what is necessary. Here's a link: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/ff184583.aspx ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV (318) 518-1389 On 4/5/2016 10:50 PM, tomb18 wrote: > HiYou should now do a Google search for how to show hidden devices in the control panel. You can then delete the hidden devices if they are now useless. This will free up any comport assignments you may have floating around.7e Tom > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: N8NCR Date: 2016-04-05 11:45 PM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 COM Port Not Working > Unfortunately I think I found the problem. A USB 3.0 port may have fried > both KXUSB cables. I found a 3rd KXUSB cable I had hiding in storage, > hooked it up to the KX3 and laptop and it worked immediately. > > For anyone that got to this thread via search engine, here are some > symptoms: > > Elecraft KX3 Utility v1.13.8.24 > > Activity Log: > Attempting to contact KX3 on port COM8 at 38400 bit/s > Attempting to contact KX3 on port COM8 at 19200 bit/s > Attempting to contact KX3 on port COM8 at 9600 bit/s > Attempting to contact KX3 on port COM8 at 4800 bit/s > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:22 PM, N8NCR wrote: > >> I have a brand new KX3, kit build. I had a hard time getting the KX3 >> utility to connect to the radio and its being rather picky. I was able to >> get it to connect once automagically and after that it hasn't worked again. >> >> I've tried: >> 2 different KXUSB cables >> Different USB ports >> Different computers (Win7/Win10) >> Different baud rates >> Setting baud rate in device manager to corresponding rate on radio >> Updating drivers >> Restarting computer/KX3 >> >> I'm plugging in the ACC1 port and running firmware 2.38 and out of >> troubleshooting steps. Any ideas? >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From crustacean at brig-elec.com Wed Apr 6 09:40:04 2016 From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 09:40:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Baud rate Message-ID: <1459950004.3341.7.camel@arabica> Hello, I was wondering if there is any particular reason the default BAUD rates for the KX3 and KXPA100 are different. Does the amp need a higher baud rate than the KX3? Can I set the KX3 to use the same baud rate as the amp? The reason I would like to do this is I only occasionally have the amp connected, and it would be nice if when I do hook up the amp I don't have to go into the settings of fldigi and wsjtx and keep changing things whenever my setup changes. John KD8CIV From k8mn at frontiernet.net Wed Apr 6 11:13:51 2016 From: k8mn at frontiernet.net (Dave Heil) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:13:51 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: <57046AA8.5010004@embarqmail.com> References: <1459903891688-7615960.post@n2.nabble.com> <57046AA8.5010004@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <570527AF.7010801@frontiernet.net> An old engineer at Foster Transformer in Cincinnati once showed me a method which caused the Ideal company to take their new abrasive enamel removing machine off the market: The fellow took a newly-made transformer with about eight enameled leads off the bench. He then straightened the leads and dipped them all about 3/8" into a solder pot. 73, Dave K8MN From mike at mdodd.com Wed Apr 6 11:37:01 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:37:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: <570527AF.7010801@frontiernet.net> References: <1459903891688-7615960.post@n2.nabble.com> <57046AA8.5010004@embarqmail.com> <570527AF.7010801@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <57052D1D.5030902@mdodd.com> On 4/6/2016 11:13 AM, Dave Heil wrote: > ...eight enameled leads off the bench. He then > straightened the leads and dipped them all about 3/8" into a solder pot. Remember Vector's "wiring pencil?" You used it to wire a breadboard with #32 enameled wire. Once you wrapped the wire around a pin, you applied a soldering iron and solder, which melted the enamel to allow a good solder joint. I still have mine, and used it just a few weeks ago to wire an Arduino breadboard. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft KX3 + KXPA100 @ 100W Elecraft PX3 panadapter Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Apr 6 12:35:53 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 08:35:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads Message-ID: <201604061635.u36GZs7A016827@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> I always figured the enamel should be removed. I just scrape them with a small razor knife which leaves the copper bright and ready for tinning. Melting the enamel with my solder iron results in a messy glob on the iron and not a very clean lead. I don't own a solder pot but could see that would work except for contamination of the solder if you do many. I am mostly winding air coils for VHF equipment, so its what is normally coating magnet wire. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Apr 6 12:46:50 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 12:46:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Baud rate In-Reply-To: <1459950004.3341.7.camel@arabica> References: <1459950004.3341.7.camel@arabica> Message-ID: Yes. Set all to 38,400. The radios seem to be set like the K2 at 4800. This was slow even 15 years ago when the K2 was new. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 6, 2016, at 9:40 AM, John Pitz wrote: > > Hello, > > I was wondering if there is any particular reason the default BAUD rates > for the KX3 and KXPA100 are different. Does the amp need a higher baud > rate than the KX3? Can I set the KX3 to use the same baud rate as the > amp? The reason I would like to do this is I only occasionally have the > amp connected, and it would be nice if when I do hook up the amp I don't > have to go into the settings of fldigi and wsjtx and keep changing > things whenever my setup changes. > > John > KD8CIV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From rpfjeld at outlook.com Wed Apr 6 13:29:55 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 12:29:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: <201604061635.u36GZs7A016827@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201604061635.u36GZs7A016827@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: I try to keep a working wood-burner pencil for jobs that will ruin the tin on my soldering pencil. I often clean the trash off the leads, or pencil, by wiping them with a rag or cloth glove. Dick, n0ce On 4/6/2016 11:35 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > I always figured the enamel should be removed. I just scrape them > with a small razor knife which leaves the copper bright and ready for > tinning. Melting the enamel with my solder iron results in a messy > glob on the iron and not a very clean lead. From wn5tkl at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 13:41:18 2016 From: wn5tkl at gmail.com (wn5tkl-gmail) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 10:41:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Fails to connect to ftp server Message-ID: <57054A3E.7040103@gmail.com> I loaded the KX3Utility 1.14.4.11for Linux. It talks to the KX3 just fine at 38400. But when I click on "Copy new files from Elecraft" it says unable to connect error 127, whatever that means. The FTP Timeout.htm page says the IP address should be 63.249.74.212. But when I ping ftp.elecraft.com I get an IP address of 50.31.74.52 with a rtt of 65 msec. BOTH addresses ping okay. I can manually connect to the ftp.elecraft.com site and download the firmware files manually. I was able to copy the newly downloaded files into the ./Elecraft/KX3_Firmware directory and successfully load them that way using the KX3 utility. Any suggestions on why it failed to automatically download them? Ron W7HD Tucson, AZ From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Apr 6 13:44:56 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 10:44:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: References: <201604061635.u36GZs7A016827@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <57054B18.5040700@foothill.net> Damp kitchen sponge works great. My Weller solder station has a little one with cuts in it in the base of the holder. Whatever enamel contamination ends up of the iron tip comes right off and the tip is shiny and bright again. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 4/6/2016 10:29 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > I try to keep a working wood-burner pencil for jobs that will ruin the > tin on my soldering pencil. > I often clean the trash off the leads, or pencil, by wiping them with a > rag or cloth glove. > > Dick, n0ce From tony.kaz at verizon.net Wed Apr 6 14:06:42 2016 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 14:06:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: <57054B18.5040700@foothill.net> References: <201604061635.u36GZs7A016827@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> <57054B18.5040700@foothill.net> Message-ID: <001201d1902f$130b10d0$39213270$@verizon.net> Is there a recommendation on small solder pots? I don't need one often, but there are times such as stripping several wires and/or tinning wires where it would be nice to just dip the wire into the pot to remove the insulation. I see some online for <$30. Are they any good? 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:45 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads Damp kitchen sponge works great. My Weller solder station has a little one with cuts in it in the base of the holder. Whatever enamel contamination ends up of the iron tip comes right off and the tip is shiny and bright again. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 4/6/2016 10:29 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > I try to keep a working wood-burner pencil for jobs that will ruin the > tin on my soldering pencil. > I often clean the trash off the leads, or pencil, by wiping them with > a rag or cloth glove. > > Dick, n0ce ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From ron at cobi.biz Wed Apr 6 14:33:21 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:33:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: <201604061635.u36GZs7A016827@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201604061635.u36GZs7A016827@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <001801d19032$cc8d1e60$65a75b20$@biz> Ed's approach is one that I've used from time to time, but let me add one caution. Be very careful to avoid nicking the wire. It's very easy to do with fine wire most often by an accidental press where you start removing the enamel. The nick will create a weak spot that may fail later. And with that we could segue back into the question of breaking wires off in gear that is subject to vibration. I know that Mychael (the toroidguy) uses a solder pot. He's often grumbled to me about finding one what works well over time. AFAIK he has compromised on a fairly inexpensive pot that he ends up recycling after a year or so of use when the heater or thermostat fails. Also one needs to keep the dross (burned enamel, etc.) that covers the surface of the solder cleaned off so it doesn't coat the wire as you remove it. Don't forget that you need a lump of solder to melt in it too. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 9:36 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads I always figured the enamel should be removed. I just scrape them with a small razor knife which leaves the copper bright and ready for tinning. Melting the enamel with my solder iron results in a messy glob on the iron and not a very clean lead. I don't own a solder pot but could see that would work except for contamination of the solder if you do many. I am mostly winding air coils for VHF equipment, so its what is normally coating magnet wire. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From JohnE at xylonaut.com Wed Apr 6 14:34:12 2016 From: JohnE at xylonaut.com (John Ellsworth) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:34:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: <001201d1902f$130b10d0$39213270$@verizon.net> References: <201604061635.u36GZs7A016827@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> <57054B18.5040700@foothill.net> <001201d1902f$130b10d0$39213270$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <570556A4.10900@xylonaut.com> I don't remember where I found this idea - might have been on this forum - or youtube... I have an old 30W soldering iron. I removed the tip and replaced it with a Phillips-head bolt the same size thread. Took a 3/32 drill bit, and drilled into the Phillips-head out abt 1/2inch deep. Put the soldering iron into a vice - or clamp it to your bench, business-side up. Fill the hole with solder, and voil? - a mini solder pot. 73 de JohnE/kd0nqc On 04/06/2016 01:06 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > Is there a recommendation on small solder pots? I don't need one often, but > there are times such as stripping several wires and/or tinning wires where > it would be nice to just dip the wire into the pot to remove the insulation. > I see some online for <$30. Are they any good? > > 73, > N2TK, Tony From eric.csuf at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 14:44:12 2016 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:44:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: <57052D1D.5030902@mdodd.com> References: <1459903891688-7615960.post@n2.nabble.com> <57046AA8.5010004@embarqmail.com> <570527AF.7010801@frontiernet.net> <57052D1D.5030902@mdodd.com> Message-ID: <570558FC.802@gmail.com> Looks identical to the wirewrap tools that were around ~30+ years ago or so. I still have one as the fine wire is great for making minor PCB changes or repairs. Never thought to load it with enamel wire as you do. It would make it even easier to make those changes/repairs. Eric KE6us On 4/6/2016 8:37 AM, Mike Dodd wrote: > On 4/6/2016 11:13 AM, Dave Heil wrote: >> ...eight enameled leads off the bench. He then >> straightened the leads and dipped them all about 3/8" into a solder pot. > > Remember Vector's "wiring pencil?" > You used it to wire a > breadboard with #32 enameled wire. Once you wrapped the wire around a > pin, you applied a soldering iron and solder, which melted the enamel > to allow a good solder joint. > > I still have mine, and used it just a few weeks ago to wire an Arduino > breadboard. > From qschultze at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 15:05:40 2016 From: qschultze at gmail.com (Quentin Schultze) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:05:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: P3_SVGA PCB Message-ID: Please contact me off list if you have one to sell. My QRZ email is accurate. Thanks. Quin, K8QS From Gary at ka1j.com Wed Apr 6 15:17:55 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 15:17:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB 400 Hz filters for K3 Message-ID: <570560E3.6127.73786C@Gary.ka1j.com> I would like two KFL3A-400, 400 Hz filters. If anyone has one or two of these that they would like to sell, please contact me off list. Thanks & 73, Gary KA1J From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Wed Apr 6 15:20:10 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 19:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: <001801d19032$cc8d1e60$65a75b20$@biz> References: <001801d19032$cc8d1e60$65a75b20$@biz> Message-ID: <1601950092.334744.1459970410081.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I prefer the solder pot set on max to strip enamel and all other non thermal coatings.? I do use a wade of steel wool to wisk the material off.? No abrasions and no nicks. Mel, K6KBE From: Ron D'Eau Claire To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads Ed's approach is one that I've used from time to time, but let me add one caution. Be very careful to avoid nicking the wire. It's very easy to do with fine wire most often by an accidental press where you start removing the enamel. The nick will create a weak spot that may fail later. And with that we could segue back into the question of breaking wires off in gear that is subject to vibration. I know that Mychael (the toroidguy) uses a solder pot. He's often grumbled to me about finding one what works well over time. AFAIK he has compromised on a fairly inexpensive pot that he ends up recycling after a year or so of use when the heater or thermostat fails. Also one needs to keep the dross (burned enamel, etc.) that covers the surface of the solder cleaned off so it doesn't coat the wire as you remove it. Don't forget that you need a lump of solder to melt in it too. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 9:36 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads I always figured the enamel should be removed.? I just scrape them with a small razor knife which leaves the copper bright and ready for tinning. Melting the enamel with my solder iron results in a messy glob on the iron and not a very clean lead.? I don't own a solder pot but could see that would work except for contamination of the solder if you do many. I am mostly winding air coils for VHF equipment, so its what is normally coating magnet wire. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com ? ? "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: ? ? dubususa at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From eric at elecraft.com Wed Apr 6 15:25:00 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 12:25:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: <1601950092.334744.1459970410081.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <001801d19032$cc8d1e60$65a75b20$@biz> <1601950092.334744.1459970410081.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5705628C.50509@elecraft.com> Looks like we've beat this one to deaf. Let's end the thread in the interest of reducing email overload for our readers. 73, Eric Moderatorororor /elecraft.com/ On 4/6/2016 12:20 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > I prefer the solder pot set on max to strip enamel and all other non thermal coatings. I do use a wade of steel wool to wisk the material off. No abrasions and no nicks. > Mel, K6KBE > > > From: Ron D'Eau Claire > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 11:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads > > Ed's approach is one that I've used from time to time, but let me add one > caution. Be very careful to avoid nicking the wire. It's very easy to do > with fine wire most often by an accidental press where you start removing > the enamel. > > The nick will create a weak spot that may fail later. And with that we could > segue back into the question of breaking wires off in gear that is subject > to vibration. > > I know that Mychael (the toroidguy) uses a solder pot. He's often grumbled > to me about finding one what works well over time. AFAIK he has compromised > on a fairly inexpensive pot that he ends up recycling after a year or so of > use when the heater or thermostat fails. Also one needs to keep the dross > (burned enamel, etc.) that covers the surface of the solder cleaned off so > it doesn't coat the wire as you remove it. Don't forget that you need a lump > of solder to melt in it too. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward > R Cole > Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 9:36 AM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads > > I always figured the enamel should be removed. I just scrape them with a > small razor knife which leaves the copper bright and ready for tinning. > Melting the enamel with my solder iron results in a messy glob on the iron > and not a very clean lead. I don't own a solder pot but could see that > would work except for contamination of the solder if you do many. > > I am mostly winding air coils for VHF equipment, so its what is normally > coating magnet wire. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ron at cobi.biz > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From mooo1941 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 6 15:36:20 2016 From: mooo1941 at yahoo.com (David Guernsey) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 19:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna References: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I live in a 2nd floor condo and am considering an isotropic?antennaa on my balcony for 10/15/20 meters. Anybody have any experience with this type of antenna??73 de Dave KJ6CBS From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Wed Apr 6 16:04:11 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:04:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna In-Reply-To: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1459973051261-7615992.post@n2.nabble.com> I have decades of experience with trying to operate out of 2nd story or higher apartments. My findings are the biggest difficulties are: - grounding - getting the antenna outside. To sum it up, the interiors of most apartments are essentially RF anechoic chambers. This is due to the structures and wiring which basically form a gigantic Faraday cage around your antenna when it's inside. When it's on the 2nd floor, the problem is compounded by being too far above the ground to get a good ground. So basically, it's less important what type of antenna you use than it is to merely get it outside. What I've done in the past is just throw a wire out the window into a neighboring tree and just hope the apt. managers don't notice it's there. Even dangling the wire out of the window towards the ground will work better than trying to string something up inside. What I did was buy a Buddipole and pelican case for my rigs, and do all my operating /p. It's inconvenient at night, of course, but it does get me outside and gives me some exercise. Otherwise, like I said, priority #1 is just to get whatever it is outside the building. And that usually means a wire and a tuner in the rig.... 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k3-Isotropic-Antenna-tp7615991p7615992.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Wed Apr 6 16:05:30 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 20:05:30 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna In-Reply-To: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi David, I'm a little puzzled by your question, and I suspect others are too. The isotropic antenna is a theoretical construct which is sometimes used as a baseline for the comparison of other antennas; it is not possible to build one. The most primitive antenna that can actually be built is a dipole (but don't take primitive to mean ineffective!). Having recently taken up ham radio again, in an urban QTH, I would very much *not* recommend a dipole for your use case. I wasted a lot of time trying to get a loaded dipole to work well in my attic. Then I started reading about small magnetic loop antennas, built one for myself, and never looked back. I now mercilessly evangelize them to anyone who will listen. Some reading on mag loops here: http://www.g4ilo.com/stealth.html http://www.ahars.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/The-Underestimated-Magnetic-Loop-HF-Antenna-version-1.1.pdf The quickest way to get started with mag loops is probably to pick up one of these MFJ units: http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-9232 (QRP) http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-933 (QRO) The QRP model includes wire, the QRO doesn't. Bruce On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 8:37 PM David Guernsey via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > I live in a 2nd floor condo and am considering an isotropic antennaa on my > balcony for 10/15/20 meters. Anybody have any experience with this type of > antenna? 73 de Dave KJ6CBS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mbt at w0mbt.net From n7ir at cox.net Wed Apr 6 16:12:18 2016 From: n7ir at cox.net (Gary Hembree) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:12:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna - Isotron Antenna? Message-ID: <2CC3B4172FA844B79DB4DB83DC2388B2@N7IRDell9020> Just a wild guess but I think you meant an Isotron Antenna. You?re better off with an end fed wire and a tuner. It?ll work the same or better and be far cheaper. Mobile whip antennas are another less expensive solution for your location. 73 Gary, N7IR ---------------------------- I live in a 2nd floor condo and am considering an isotropic antenna on my balcony for 10/15/20 meters. Anybody have any experience with this type of antenna? 73 de Dave KJ6CBS From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Wed Apr 6 16:14:28 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:14:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna In-Reply-To: References: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1459973668024-7615995.post@n2.nabble.com> Bruce makes a good point, which I overlooked also. Yes, the isotropic antenna is just an ideal and where the term "dbi" comes from - the gain in DB over the theoretical isotropic 0db-gain antenna. I too intend to try a mag loop antenna at some point in time, probably the next time I get tired of humping my /p rig around or I get rained on real good hi hi. 73, LS W5QD. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k3-Isotropic-Antenna-tp7615991p7615995.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rmoodyg at bellsouth.net Wed Apr 6 16:20:22 2016 From: rmoodyg at bellsouth.net (Richard gillingham) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna References: <1780639286.476060.1459974022316.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1780639286.476060.1459974022316.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Let me be the third to recommend a mag loop. Not too handy for contesting, VERY high Q. Therefore has a high 'fiddle factor'. But nonetheless very usable. My $0.02... 73 and gud DX Gil, W1RG -------------------------------------------- From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Wed Apr 6 16:21:04 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 16:21:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna In-Reply-To: <1459973668024-7615995.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1459973668024-7615995.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <57056FB0.9010304@nycap.rr.com> MFJ makes a couple of magnetic loops with remote tuners etc. Pricey, but I have heard a few of them and they were doing OK - even the one on 40 meters. Bill W2BLC K-Line From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Apr 6 17:10:08 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 17:10:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: <001201d1902f$130b10d0$39213270$@verizon.net> References: <201604061635.u36GZs7A016827@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> <57054B18.5040700@foothill.net> <001201d1902f$130b10d0$39213270$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <3B8DE93D-1B29-4313-9C9C-85C6E6733301@widomaker.com> Saw a picture of a small "candelabra" socket (RS has them) on a board and a screw-in soldering element of 40 watts with a screw-in tip (tip removed and the hole filled with solder). I drilled the threads out of the hole and it actually worked. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 6, 2016, at 2:06 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > > Is there a recommendation on small solder pots? I don't need one often, but > there are times such as stripping several wires and/or tinning wires where > it would be nice to just dip the wire into the pot to remove the insulation. > I see some online for <$30. Are they any good? > > 73, > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred > Jensen > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:45 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads > > Damp kitchen sponge works great. My Weller solder station has a little one > with cuts in it in the base of the holder. Whatever enamel contamination > ends up of the iron tip comes right off and the tip is shiny and bright > again. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 > - www.cqp.org > >> On 4/6/2016 10:29 AM, Richard Fjeld wrote: >> I try to keep a working wood-burner pencil for jobs that will ruin the >> tin on my soldering pencil. >> I often clean the trash off the leads, or pencil, by wiping them with >> a rag or cloth glove. >> >> Dick, n0ce > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From ron at cobi.biz Wed Apr 6 17:32:59 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 14:32:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna In-Reply-To: References: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501d1904b$e46a8c70$ad3fa550$@biz> I agree that loops are fun and interesting but my best success was with attic doublets while being an apartment dweller some years ago. Not loaded dipoles but non-resonant center fed wires. My approach was to get into the attic space and, based on where the rig was located below me, figure out how I could best run the two halves of the doublet as far as possible without having bends greater than 90 degrees and with the center "feed point" over the rig. I fed it with open wire. Not the big, clunky stuff but homebrew line made up of two small gauge wires spaced about 2 inches. My installations were in various apartments where I rented on the 2nd (top) floor. The walls and ceilings were painted apartment white so I used small gauge white wires. An ice pick made two tiny holes in the ceiling drywall right next to the wall where the rig was sitting on my desk below. Snaked the two "feed" wires through the holes and stapled them to the dry wall. Put my balanced tuner above the rig on that wall and connected the feeder to it. With about 40 feet or so of wire in the attic perhaps 25 feet above ground I easily found contacts on 40 and 20 meters CW running between 5 and 15 watts output along with interesting DX when the higher frequency bands were open. When visitors sat at the operating position, I had to point out the feed line in front of them before they noticed it. When it was time to move on, the whole affair could be removed and the holes plugged in a matter of minutes, especially if I didn't bother to remove the part in the crawl space above the ceiling. LS makes a good point about the impact of wiring, etc. That's why I worked to get my wire up above that and directly under the roofing material. But even that can backfire, as it did once. After considerable success in three previous locations I found one where I could not get out worth a darn. One day I noticed a bit of broken roofing tile on the ground, left by someone making repairs. The tiles were of colored lightweight concrete. I took it inside and put it in my microwave with a glass of water and ran it on high for a minute or so. The bit of tile was "smoking hot" meaning it was absorbing the RF energy. No wonder I couldn't get out, especially on the higher frequencies. Fortunately the next QTH was a house I owned. IF it is an "Isotron" you are looking at, they are a very poor excuse for an antenna and proof that even a dummy load will make contacts when conditions are right. Just about anything else will work better. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Nourish Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:06 PM To: David Guernsey; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna Hi David, I'm a little puzzled by your question, and I suspect others are too. The isotropic antenna is a theoretical construct which is sometimes used as a baseline for the comparison of other antennas; it is not possible to build one. The most primitive antenna that can actually be built is a dipole (but don't take primitive to mean ineffective!). Having recently taken up ham radio again, in an urban QTH, I would very much *not* recommend a dipole for your use case. I wasted a lot of time trying to get a loaded dipole to work well in my attic. Then I started reading about small magnetic loop antennas, built one for myself, and never looked back. I now mercilessly evangelize them to anyone who will listen. Some reading on mag loops here: http://www.g4ilo.com/stealth.html http://www.ahars.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/The-Underestimated-Magnet ic-Loop-HF-Antenna-version-1.1.pdf The quickest way to get started with mag loops is probably to pick up one of these MFJ units: http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-9232 (QRP) http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-933 (QRO) The QRP model includes wire, the QRO doesn't. Bruce From ho13dave at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 17:57:45 2016 From: ho13dave at gmail.com (dave) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 16:57:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna In-Reply-To: <001501d1904b$e46a8c70$ad3fa550$@biz> References: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <001501d1904b$e46a8c70$ad3fa550$@biz> Message-ID: <57058659.6050509@gmail.com> > The > isotropic antenna is a theoretical construct which is sometimes used as a > baseline for the comparison of other antennas; it is not possible to build > one. Actually you can come pretty close to an isotropic antenna by using two center fed dipoles arranged at 90 degrees to each other and fed 90 degrees out of phase. Not exactly a isotropic radiator, but pretty close. IIRC they can either be both horizontal or one horizontal and the other vertical. I'd have to re-run the models again to be sure. And I have compared small loops to dipoles. I did not use a loaded dipole but, like Ron, a non-resonant wire fed with open wire or ladder line. The non-resonant wire won by a wide margin in the comparisons. 73 de dave ab9ca/4 From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Apr 6 19:55:27 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 16:55:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna In-Reply-To: References: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5705A1EF.8090803@foothill.net> On 4/6/2016 1:05 PM, Bruce Nourish wrote: > I'm a little puzzled by your question, and I suspect others are too. The > isotropic antenna is a theoretical construct which is sometimes used as a > baseline for the comparison of other antennas; it is not possible to build > one. The most primitive antenna that can actually be built is a dipole (but > don't take primitive to mean ineffective!). Just a wild guess ... he might have meant "Isotron?" > > Then I started > reading about small magnetic loop antennas, built one for myself, and never > looked back. I now mercilessly evangelize them to anyone who will listen. I use an Alexloop with my K2 @ 5W for field operating. It works better than the BP I had. The only reason I sprang for the Alex [somewhat spendy as they say in OR] was that it was close to what I got for the BP. You can homebrew one much cheaper ... but see comments on efficiency below. The Alex is very easy to set up, takes me about 5 min, is light [~0.7 kg] and fits in my pack well. It is also very hi-Q and the BW on 40 m is barely wide enough for SSB. It is very touchy to tune on the lower frequencies. The radiation resistance, particularly on lower frequencies is minuscule, in the range of a few tens of milliohms. Thus, any resistance at all in the loop and cap can lead to very low efficiencies [e.g. use a butterfly cap to eliminate wiper resistance]. It is a resonant transformer and it is absolutely essential that you bypass any ATU and tune it exactly to resonance. Fortunately, the W1 wattmeter and the K2 both display SWR. Getting it close and then letting the ATU do the rest results in a fairly expensive dummy load with a great match. And a caution -- small magnetic loops can involve some surprisingly high voltages and circulating currents, even at 5-10 W. They get into the KV range at 100 W or more. Small mag loops are pretty much insensitive to ground and nearby objects since, unless you are set up in a railroad yard, the permeability of most things around us and the ground is close to vacuum permeability. I sit under mine, I can reach up and tune it. It has a bi-cardioid pattern, fairly broad forward lobes in the plane of the loop, and two sharp nulls orthogonal to the loop plane. I never really mastered the BP tuning and, as a short loaded OCF dipole or vertical, its BW was very narrow too. Antenna theory and practice are remarkably well defined [and close], and if someone offers you a "magic" antenna that's small and has the performance of 4 over 4 over 4 on 20, check and see if he also has ocean-front property in Colorado Springs for sale. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org From ik7565 at verizon.net Wed Apr 6 20:10:13 2016 From: ik7565 at verizon.net (Ian) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 20:10:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna In-Reply-To: <1459973051261-7615992.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1459973051261-7615992.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <004501d19061$dba276a0$92e763e0$@verizon.net> Apartments and condos can be a challenge but not an insurmountable one. A balcony helps a lot. I mount a hamstick for the band du jour on my 5th floor balcony rail and throw a quarter wave counterpoise over the side. Neighbors and condo police haven't noticed (or don't care). Basically a bent dipole and the ATU makes the rig happy. 155 countries says it works pretty well. 73, Ian N8IK s/n 10111 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of lstavenhagen Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 16:04 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna I have decades of experience with trying to operate out of 2nd story or higher apartments. My findings are the biggest difficulties are: - grounding - getting the antenna outside. To sum it up, the interiors of most apartments are essentially RF anechoic chambers. This is due to the structures and wiring which basically form a gigantic Faraday cage around your antenna when it's inside. When it's on the 2nd floor, the problem is compounded by being too far above the ground to get a good ground. So basically, it's less important what type of antenna you use than it is to merely get it outside. What I've done in the past is just throw a wire out the window into a neighboring tree and just hope the apt. managers don't notice it's there. Even dangling the wire out of the window towards the ground will work better than trying to string something up inside. What I did was buy a Buddipole and pelican case for my rigs, and do all my operating /p. It's inconvenient at night, of course, but it does get me outside and gives me some exercise. Otherwise, like I said, priority #1 is just to get whatever it is outside the building. And that usually means a wire and a tuner in the rig.... 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k3-Isotropic-Antenna-tp7615991p7615992. html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ik7565 at verizon.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7497 / Virus Database: 4545/11969 - Release Date: 04/05/16 From n1al at sonic.net Wed Apr 6 20:27:35 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 17:27:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 meters MCU 01.60 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5705A977.8040304@sonic.net> By "blanked" it means that the numeric SWR value and the SWR meter "needle" are erased. The meter outline and scale are still there. Both the SWR and power meters are blanked in this way when the transceiver goes back to receive mode. Alan N1AL On 04/06/2016 03:14 AM, Thomas Lindner wrote: >> From the firmware note: > * SWR meter blanked: Both the analog and digital SWR displays are > now blanked whenever the transmit power is too low to give a valid > reading. > > What I have to do to get the meters blanked during reception? > > 73 de Tom DL2RUM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n1al at sonic.net > From mike at mdodd.com Wed Apr 6 20:38:25 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:38:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: <570558FC.802@gmail.com> References: <1459903891688-7615960.post@n2.nabble.com> <57046AA8.5010004@embarqmail.com> <570527AF.7010801@frontiernet.net> <57052D1D.5030902@mdodd.com> <570558FC.802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5705AC01.9040103@mdodd.com> On 4/6/2016 2:44 PM, EricJ wrote: > Looks identical to the wirewrap tools that were around ~30+ years ago or > so. I still have one as the fine wire is great for making minor PCB > changes or repairs. Never thought to load it with enamel wire as you do. > It would make it even easier to make those changes/repairs. No, wirewrap is completely different. It uses insulated (_not_ enameled) #30 wire that must be stripped before wrapping. A motorized tool wraps around 0.25" square posts. The sharp edges cut into the wire to make a gas-tight connection. The connection is not soldered. Trust me -- Early in my career,I spent hundreds of hours making thousands of wirewrapped connections, and I even bought a Gardner-Denver AC powered tool for home use (vs. the battery-powered tools we used at work). I still have that tool, and a thousand feet of #30 wire, but I do little wrapping these days. The Vector tool is just a plastic "pencil" with a hollow metal tip through which the enameled wire feeds. You manually wrap the wire around a pin, move the pencil to the next pin, wrap that, and cut the wire. Then you solder both pins. The solder melts through the enamel to make a normal joint. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft KX3 + KXPA100 @ 100W Elecraft PX3 panadapter Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From k6mr at outlook.com Wed Apr 6 20:50:56 2016 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 17:50:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads Message-ID: Vector also made a wire wrap tool that did not require stripping before wrapping: ?Slit ?n Wrap?. The tip of the tool had a knife edge that stripped the wire on the inside edge as you wrapped. They made a special wire that was sort of a cross between enamel and standard wire wrap wire. It was really quick because you could daisy chain from pin to pin without cutting/stripping individual wires. OK Machine Tool also made the ?Just Wrap? which was a knock off of the same idea. Ken K6MR From: Mike Dodd Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 17:40 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads On 4/6/2016 2:44 PM, EricJ wrote: > Looks identical to the wirewrap tools that were around ~30+ years ago or > so. I still have one as the fine wire is great for making minor PCB > changes or repairs. Never thought to load it with enamel wire as you do. > It would make it even easier to make those changes/repairs. No, wirewrap is completely different. It uses insulated (_not_ enameled) #30 wire that must be stripped before wrapping. A motorized tool wraps around 0.25" square posts. The sharp edges cut into the wire to make a gas-tight connection. The connection is not soldered. Trust me -- Early in my career,I spent hundreds of hours making thousands of wirewrapped connections, and I even bought a Gardner-Denver AC powered tool for home use (vs. the battery-powered tools we used at work). I still have that tool, and a thousand feet of #30 wire, but I do little wrapping these days. The Vector tool is just a plastic "pencil" with a hollow metal tip through which the enameled wire feeds. You manually wrap the wire around a pin, move the pencil to the next pin, wrap that, and cut the wire. Then you solder both pins. The solder melts through the enamel to make a normal joint. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft KX3 + KXPA100 @ 100W Elecraft PX3 panadapter Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From km6cq at km6cq.com Wed Apr 6 21:35:38 2016 From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 18:35:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale; KXPA100 Message-ID: I have for sale a factory assembled; KXPA100 Amp with the internal tuner. KX3 Cable to integrate the KX3 with the amp. I am the original owner. It has very little use. It is a backup rig and has only sat on my desk. It has no scuffs or scratches. Works perfectly. Comes with the original boxes. Delivered to my door it was $1247 Delivered to your door for $1025 If you want the PX3 with it and the "Nifty" stand it is $1545 delivered. Thanks, Dan KM6CQ From jamesforsman at me.com Wed Apr 6 21:54:20 2016 From: jamesforsman at me.com (jrquark) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 18:54:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS K3/100 Message-ID: <40CAECB3-7849-4D0F-9772-996D85C707D7@me.com> G?day all, I have a K3 with 100W amp and internal tuner. One 2.7 kHz filter. Included is the MH2 mic and Tripp-Lite PR-40 power supply. All manuals. Haven?t been used for a while, so needs software update. Serial - 7992 $2250 plus shipping. Payment details to be discussed, i.e. check, when funds clear, etc. Contact me off list. Thank you, Jim - K7BIE From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Apr 6 23:45:40 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 19:45:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads Message-ID: <201604070345.u373jfof009341@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Ron, Most coils I am winding are typically No.22 to No.16 solid copper magnet wire. I hold the knife vertical to the wired and scrape sideways so never pressing into the wire - no nicks. Eventually that does dull the razor blade but they are easily replaced. The knife I use looks like a miniature box cutter knife. Actually there is much greater risk using a wire stripper to nick a wire. Now I suppose if you are winding a toroid with something like No. 28 the risk would be higher. IN that case probably melting the enamel with solder iron or into solder pot is preferable. But good to caution folks about that. I see nicks more likely from stripping insulation that requires cutting completely around the wire while pressing down into the insulation to the wire. 73, Ed From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" To: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads Message-ID: <001801d19032$cc8d1e60$65a75b20$@biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ed's approach is one that I've used from time to time, but let me add one caution. Be very careful to avoid nicking the wire. It's very easy to do with fine wire most often by an accidental press where you start removing the enamel. The nick will create a weak spot that may fail later. And with that we could segue back into the question of breaking wires off in gear that is subject to vibration. ---snip 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From lukepighetti at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 00:52:23 2016 From: lukepighetti at gmail.com (kc1fdg) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 21:52:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VFO B skipping Message-ID: <1460004743302-7616009.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, Just received a used KX3 today and found that VFO B is skipping. Lets say the top number is rotation out of 9 and bottom number is actual sensed position, it kinda does this> 123456789 121233323 And so on and so forth. Is there a way to clean these out or replace them? As a point of interest, it seems to go away if you put a little force on the knob perpendicular to the axis of rotation. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-VFO-B-skipping-tp7616009.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dl2rum at t-online.de Thu Apr 7 04:51:25 2016 From: dl2rum at t-online.de (Thomas Lindner) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:51:25 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 144, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, I miss-interpreted this. The meters are useless during reception and waste a lot of space. 73 de Tom, DL2RUM > Am 07.04.2016 um 02:51 schrieb elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net: > > By "blanked" it means that the numeric SWR value and the SWR meter "needle" are erased. The meter outline and scale are still there. > > Both the SWR and power meters are blanked in this way when the transceiver goes back to receive mode. > > Alan N1AL > > > On 04/06/2016 03:14 AM, Thomas Lindner wrote: >>> From the firmware note: >> * SWR meter blanked: Both the analog and digital SWR displays are >> now blanked whenever the transmit power is too low to give a valid >> reading. >> >> What I have to do to get the meters blanked during reception? >> >> 73 de Tom DL2RUM From indians at xsmail.com Thu Apr 7 05:41:20 2016 From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 02:41:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna In-Reply-To: References: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1460022080917-7616011.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Bruce and others, I am sure that David talked about an Isotron antennas like this: https://www.isotronantennas.com/ I intensively tested/used this antenna in 90's on 40m (product from Sigi, DK9FN) and I have to say it is a nightmare in overall. From my own experiences the performance of this toy was highly dependent to the grounding availability, bandwidth was very small and tunning was influenced by ground only but also by closed objects a lot. Also the weather changes made bad impact for SWR like snow, rain etc. Finally in 90's this toy was quite new and like any fashionable piece it was really overpriced. David, As you can see the price these days is not so high but I do not believe that something changed in its performances. If you would like to spend time with playing around it (instead of enjoying the on-air operation) then you can build it ownself as there is nothing magic on it. In any case do not waste your money with buying it. Hope it helps, 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k3-Isotropic-Antenna-tp7615991p7616011.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Thu Apr 7 06:13:59 2016 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna In-Reply-To: <1460022080917-7616011.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460022080917-7616011.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1685005714.622136.1460024039990.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I agree with Peter and share the same experience as Peter. ?The antenna works but only in some particular conditions. Waste my time. ?Of course, I can be blamed about not clever enough to use it. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? "Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS" ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2016?04?7? (??) 5:41 PM ??? Re: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna Hi Bruce and others, I am sure that David talked about an Isotron antennas like this: https://www.isotronantennas.com/ I intensively tested/used this antenna in 90's on 40m (product from Sigi, DK9FN) and I have to say it is a nightmare in overall. From my own experiences the performance of this toy was highly dependent to the grounding availability, bandwidth was very small and tunning was influenced by ground only but also by closed objects a lot. Also the weather changes made bad impact for SWR like snow, rain etc. Finally in 90's this toy was quite new and like any fashionable piece it was really overpriced. David, As you can see the price these days is not so high but I do not believe that something changed in its performances. If you would like to spend time with playing around it (instead of enjoying the on-air operation) then you can build it ownself as there is nothing magic on it. In any case do not waste your money with buying it. Hope it helps, 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k3-Isotropic-Antenna-tp7615991p7616011.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Apr 7 09:11:19 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 09:11:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VFO B skipping In-Reply-To: <1460004743302-7616009.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460004743302-7616009.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <57065C77.8070809@embarqmail.com> It is most likely that the encoder must be replaced to correct that behavior. The VFO B encoder is a thru-hole part and can be replaced if you have good de-soldering tools and work very carefully so you do not damage anything else around it or damage the board or the SMD parts that are in close proximity to the encoder solder pads. Reverse the steps in the assembly manual to tell you how to get to the encoder and front panel board. Make careful note of the screw size and length in each place you remove a screw. If doing that gives you pause, then let the techs at Elecraft handle it for you - it will be worth the price. Contact support to initiate the RSA process. If you just want to purchase the encoder and do it yourself, you can contact parts at elecraft.com directly. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/7/2016 12:52 AM, kc1fdg wrote: > Hi all, > > Just received a used KX3 today and found that VFO B is skipping. Lets say > the top number is rotation out of 9 and bottom number is actual sensed > position, it kinda does this> > > From Andy at rickham.net Thu Apr 7 10:50:02 2016 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 15:50:02 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? Message-ID: Hi All, I?ve had a go at searching back through the archives, but couldn?t find the question being asked, let alone the answer so here goes?. The Linux versions of the utilities are for an X86-based machine. Has anyone asked for them to be recompiled for an ARM machine? In particular, now that the Raspberry Pi 3 is about ? with astounding performance for the price (at only ?25) ? for Raspbian? I?ve got my Raspberry Pi 3 running WSJT-X and FLDIGI just fine to my KX3. With a small screen and suitable supply it makes a fine 12v-based portable system. It would be nice, therefore, if I could also use the same small machine for any firmware updates, Macro settings and to work CW etc direct with the KX3. BUT, is it just me? Anyone else interested? ? Regards Andy, G8TQH From bob.novas at verizon.net Thu Apr 7 11:18:48 2016 From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 11:18:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05a201d190e0$c96ddef0$5c499cd0$@verizon.net> The Pi 3 is very appealing by virtue of space and low cost. I'm interested but for a K3S and P3. Bob, W3DK > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Andy > McMullin > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:50 AM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? > > Hi All, > > I?ve had a go at searching back through the archives, but couldn?t find the > question being asked, let alone the answer so here goes?. > > The Linux versions of the utilities are for an X86-based machine. Has anyone > asked for them to be recompiled for an ARM machine? In particular, now that > the Raspberry Pi 3 is about ? with astounding performance for the price (at only > ?25) ? for Raspbian? > > I?ve got my Raspberry Pi 3 running WSJT-X and FLDIGI just fine to my KX3. With a > small screen and suitable supply it makes a fine 12v-based portable system. It > would be nice, therefore, if I could also use the same small machine for any > firmware updates, Macro settings and to work CW etc direct with the KX3. > > BUT, is it just me? Anyone else interested? > > ? > Regards > Andy, G8TQH > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 11:31:05 2016 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 11:31:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, I asked about a year ago. The answer back was no and Elecraft, at that time, had no plans to provide an RPi version nor provide the source, in order for us to build on that platform. I will throw my hat into the ring and request the Elecraft KX3/PX3 Utilities for the RPi (Raspian - Jessie). I am moving more and more to the RPi for all my Ham app needs for the KX-line. The KX3/PX3 utilities are the last hold out for me to have a complete set of programs to manage the KX3/PX3 from the RPi platform. I have to switch to another computer (x86) in order to perform any KX3/PX3 utility functions. regards, Brian VE3IBW On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Andy McMullin wrote: > Hi All, > > I?ve had a go at searching back through the archives, but couldn?t find > the question being asked, let alone the answer so here goes?. > > The Linux versions of the utilities are for an X86-based machine. Has > anyone asked for them to be recompiled for an ARM machine? In particular, > now that the Raspberry Pi 3 is about ? with astounding performance for the > price (at only ?25) ? for Raspbian? > > I?ve got my Raspberry Pi 3 running WSJT-X and FLDIGI just fine to my KX3. > With a small screen and suitable supply it makes a fine 12v-based portable > system. It would be nice, therefore, if I could also use the same small > machine for any firmware updates, Macro settings and to work CW etc direct > with the KX3. > > BUT, is it just me? Anyone else interested? > > ? > Regards > Andy, G8TQH > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brian.waterworth at gmail.com From eric at elecraft.com Thu Apr 7 11:48:27 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 08:48:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Stripping toroid leads In-Reply-To: <201604070345.u373jfof009341@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201604070345.u373jfof009341@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <5706814B.9010405@elecraft.com> Let's end this thread at this time. We actually closed it mid-day yesterday due to the large number of postings. :-) 73, Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ On 4/6/2016 8:45 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Ron, > > Most coils I am winding are typically No.22 to No.16 solid copper magnet > wire. I hold the knife vertical to the wired and scrape sideways so never > pressing into the wire - no nicks. Eventually that does dull the razor blade > but they are easily replaced. The knife I use looks like a miniature box > cutter knife. From Andy at rickham.net Thu Apr 7 11:59:06 2016 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 16:59:06 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] S: Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: <1460041388.3025.14.camel@arabica> References: <1460041388.3025.14.camel@arabica> Message-ID: Hi John (et al), For my display with this one I?m using the original HDMI-Pi screen ? the original was not a touch screen but measures 9 inches on the visible diagonal ? with its own PSU (12v into it drives the screen and supplies 5v for the Pi) and case. The bad news is that, although the case looks lovely being made of coloured plastic, it seems to be totally transparent to anything from the Pi/screen that might cause any sort of QRM. Oh well! The case design is OK but it leaves the USB pointing downwards with little space for the KX3?s USB lump. However, a pair of right-angle USB 3 adapters from Amazon fixed that one for me. Being a Pi-3 I use the internal WiFi for internet and the rest, leaving one USB spare when I have one for wireless keyboard/mouse, one for the the KX3 and one for a Signalink-USB as the soundcard. I?m using the Ubuntu Mate version of the OS on the Pi and the only issue I have/had with WSJT-X is that it sometimes fails to start at all unless it?s run with administrator privileges. But that?s only happened since the last library update so it?s obviously a permissions thing I?ll need to fix "one day?. As you might guess, at the moment I need the internet for the RTC synchronisation for JT65/JT9. However, I?ve ordered an add-on board that includes a better RTC as well as UPS functionality. I have another Pi (a Pi 2) with a 5-inch touch-screen from Amazon (actually a company called Waveshare) BUT the screen has its own special drivers which don?t seem to be available for versions of the Pi OS since last May. They?ve made pre-built OS images with all the stuff included available for download but the images are ?ancient? (and won?t work right with a Pi 3) and include a load of stuff I don?t want. The company don?t seem to want to respond to requests for driver information either so I?d avoid that particular screen is you can. Anyway, I hope your experimenting goes well too. Would you vote for the KX3 utility available for the Raspberry Pi? ? Regards Andy, G8TQH > On 7 Apr 2016, at 16:03, John Pitz wrote: > > I am well on my way toward a similar goal. Have wsjtx running but am having trouble with it popping up a warning about a missing 'kvasd'. Have not had the time to rectify that one. Also plan on once everything is setup the way I like it, making an image file of the card and making the card read only, that way if power is interrupted suddenly the file system will not have any issues. Been also thinking of making printed circuit boards for such things as RS232 line driver, and one for the IO lines. May also make one to provide a real time clock. Not sure though if there would be a market for such a thing. Hams really don't want to pay much for their equipment(think cheap Chinese radios) so I would have to sell a bazillion of them to make anything back. > > For my project I am using a 7" touchscreen. What are you using for a display? What about a case? > > > > On Thu, 2016-04-07 at 15:50 +0100, Andy McMullin wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I?ve had a go at searching back through the archives, but couldn?t find the question being asked, let alone the answer so here goes?. >> >> The Linux versions of the utilities are for an X86-based machine. Has anyone asked for them to be recompiled for an ARM machine? In particular, now that the Raspberry Pi 3 is about ? with astounding performance for the price (at only ?25) ? for Raspbian? >> >> I?ve got my Raspberry Pi 3 running WSJT-X and FLDIGI just fine to my KX3. With a small screen and suitable supply it makes a fine 12v-based portable system. It would be nice, therefore, if I could also use the same small machine for any firmware updates, Macro settings and to work CW etc direct with the KX3. >> >> BUT, is it just me? Anyone else interested? >> >> ? >> Regards >> Andy, G8TQH >> ______________________________________________________________ From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Thu Apr 7 12:18:34 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 09:18:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] S: Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1460045914854-7616019.post@n2.nabble.com> Maybe after it settles down a bit more Elecraft might look at supporting it? I wish I had the spare brain cycles to play with one of these, looks like a lot of bang/buck.... Do the linux distros for it come with the dev. toolchains like GCC in them (I would imagine it's now matured past having to cross-compile binaries for it on PCs) ? How's the Python support? Oh well, back to my K2 build! 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-PX3-Linux-Utilities-for-Raspberry-Pi-tp7616014p7616019.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From crustacean at brig-elec.com Thu Apr 7 12:22:53 2016 From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:22:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1460046173.3025.18.camel@arabica> I would find a KX3 utility program targeting the Pi to be helpful too. I would find it especially helpful if the KX3 utility was made open source, then we could compile it for any platform we wish. Plus, I could take care of a certain, irksome programming error... On Thu, 2016-04-07 at 15:50 +0100, Andy McMullin wrote: > Hi All, > > I?ve had a go at searching back through the archives, but couldn?t find the question being asked, let alone the answer so here goes?. > > The Linux versions of the utilities are for an X86-based machine. Has anyone asked for them to be recompiled for an ARM machine? In particular, now that the Raspberry Pi 3 is about ? with astounding performance for the price (at only ?25) ? for Raspbian? > > I?ve got my Raspberry Pi 3 running WSJT-X and FLDIGI just fine to my KX3. With a small screen and suitable supply it makes a fine 12v-based portable system. It would be nice, therefore, if I could also use the same small machine for any firmware updates, Macro settings and to work CW etc direct with the KX3. > > BUT, is it just me? Anyone else interested? > > ? > Regards > Andy, G8TQH > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Thu Apr 7 12:34:12 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 16:34:12 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: <1460046173.3025.18.camel@arabica> References: <1460046173.3025.18.camel@arabica> Message-ID: On this mailing list, I recently requested a similar thing, namely a cross-platform command-line firmware updater for all Elecraft devices, specifically one that includes Raspbian. I did not get a response from anyone at Elecraft. Obviously, my suggestion is not quite the same thing as what Andy is asking for, but it must be very clear at this point that plenty of people have their rigs hooked up to their RPi's, and it would be nice to have some Elecraft software for that use. On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 5:23 PM John Pitz wrote: > I would find a KX3 utility program targeting the Pi to be helpful too. > I would find it especially helpful if the KX3 utility was made open > source, then we could compile it for any platform we wish. Plus, I > could take care of a certain, irksome programming error... > > > On Thu, 2016-04-07 at 15:50 +0100, Andy McMullin wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I?ve had a go at searching back through the archives, but couldn?t find > the question being asked, let alone the answer so here goes?. > > > > The Linux versions of the utilities are for an X86-based machine. Has > anyone asked for them to be recompiled for an ARM machine? In particular, > now that the Raspberry Pi 3 is about ? with astounding performance for the > price (at only ?25) ? for Raspbian? > > > > I?ve got my Raspberry Pi 3 running WSJT-X and FLDIGI just fine to my > KX3. With a small screen and suitable supply it makes a fine 12v-based > portable system. It would be nice, therefore, if I could also use the same > small machine for any firmware updates, Macro settings and to work CW etc > direct with the KX3. > > > > BUT, is it just me? Anyone else interested? > > > > ? > > Regards > > Andy, G8TQH > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mbt at w0mbt.net From fptownsend at earthlink.net Thu Apr 7 15:17:46 2016 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 12:17:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Desoldering with ChipQuik OT Message-ID: <004301d19102$2b18c220$814a4660$@earthlink.net> There has been much discussion of desoldering techniques. Many express their praise of various desoldering/soldering machines. However machines have many negatives starting with the need for a high degree of skill and expense. In short they are not practical for the once a year project builder. ChipQuik is a good tool for the occasional builder. It's cheap in the sense you don't have an expensive tool sitting on your shelf just drawing dust. Also in terms of temperature extremes it's easier on the de-soldered part. The big negative for many is ChipQuik is it is not intuitive (at first). Its use also needs companion tools such as a solder sucker or SolderWic(k), also inexpensive tools, and of course a soldering iron. As the saying goes one picture is worth a thousand words so see the video. The YouTube link below is one of the better tutorials. (Forgive the VK accent) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmD7F0--7Lc&nohtml5=False If you want to buy the stuff let your fingers thumb through the Internet. You might be able to get a free sample. Disclaimer: I make no vendor endorsements nor do I have any fiduciary interests in the product. 73 Fred, AE6QL From iu3azc at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 15:55:14 2016 From: iu3azc at gmail.com (Enrico Lorenzoni IU3AZC) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 21:55:14 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] low IF out on K3 Message-ID: <5706BB22.6020707@gmail.com> hello everyone, I just compared my k3 with a friend's one and my IF out is much lower than his k3. I suspected it when listening on a softrock, but now I can see a difference like 10 or 20db off. So I inspected my k3 and the IF out connector is fine. Multimeter says 0 ohms between bnc contacts and P86 pins on motherboard. What can I check next? Anyone did fix this same issue? thanks Enrico IU4AZC From n0nb at n0nb.us Thu Apr 7 16:02:26 2016 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 15:02:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] S: Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: <1460045914854-7616019.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460045914854-7616019.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20160407200226.GN3521@n0nb.us> * On 2016 07 Apr 11:19 -0500, lstavenhagen wrote: > Maybe after it settles down a bit more Elecraft might look at supporting it? > I wish I had the spare brain cycles to play with one of these, looks like a > lot of bang/buck.... At this time not even amd64 builds of the Elecraft tools have been made available so I run them in a i386 VirtualBox instance of Debian Jessie on the odd occasion I need to use them. > Do the linux distros for it come with the dev. toolchains like GCC in them > (I would imagine it's now matured past having to cross-compile binaries for > it on PCs) ? They're not usually installed by default but are available via the package manager of choice (in my case that is Aptitude). As I recall the build-essentials package is a meta package that includes most common build tools as dependencies. > How's the Python support? The Pi Foundation has made sure that the Python support is very good. 73, Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From valvetbone at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 16:03:19 2016 From: valvetbone at gmail.com (Art Hejduk) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 16:03:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] low IF out on K3 In-Reply-To: <5706BB22.6020707@gmail.com> References: <5706BB22.6020707@gmail.com> Message-ID: Enrico, How old is your K3? I believe they made a change to increase the output on the "newer" units. I'm not sure which serial number this began on, but mine has the higher output, and it is serial number 43XX. 73, Art WB8ENE On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Enrico Lorenzoni IU3AZC wrote: > hello everyone, > I just compared my k3 with a friend's one and my IF out is much lower than > his k3. > I suspected it when listening on a softrock, but now I can see a > difference like 10 or 20db off. > > So I inspected my k3 and the IF out connector is fine. Multimeter says 0 > ohms between bnc contacts and P86 pins on motherboard. > What can I check next? > Anyone did fix this same issue? > > thanks > > Enrico IU4AZC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to valvetbone at gmail.com > From iu3azc at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 16:04:37 2016 From: iu3azc at gmail.com (Enrico Lorenzoni IU3AZC) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 22:04:37 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] low IF out on K3 In-Reply-To: References: <5706BB22.6020707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5706BD55.20809@gmail.com> Hello, my K3 is 80xx and my friend's is 38xx thanks Enrico Il 07/04/2016 22:03, Art Hejduk ha scritto: > Enrico, > > How old is your K3? I believe they made a change to increase the > output on the "newer" units. I'm not sure which serial number this > began on, but mine has the higher output, and it is serial number 43XX. > > 73, > Art WB8ENE > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Enrico Lorenzoni IU3AZC > > wrote: > > hello everyone, > I just compared my k3 with a friend's one and my IF out is much > lower than his k3. > I suspected it when listening on a softrock, but now I can see a > difference like 10 or 20db off. > > So I inspected my k3 and the IF out connector is fine. Multimeter > says 0 ohms between bnc contacts and P86 pins on motherboard. > What can I check next? > Anyone did fix this same issue? > > thanks > > Enrico IU4AZC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to valvetbone at gmail.com > > > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Apr 7 16:11:58 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:11:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a BeagleBone Black based system set up for low power portable operation in digital modes that I built in 2014. (Information and photos available on request.) When I last considered asking Elecraft for ARM versions of the utilities, I thought the number of possible users was too small to be worth their while. The number seems to be growing, so now it may depend on how hard it is to support all the ARM platforms, or at least the most popular ones. 73 Bill AE6JV On 4/7/16 at 7:50 AM, Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) wrote: >I?ve got my Raspberry Pi 3 running WSJT-X and FLDIGI just >fine to my KX3. With a small screen and suitable supply it >makes a fine 12v-based portable system. It would be nice, >therefore, if I could also use the same small machine for any >firmware updates, Macro settings and to work CW etc direct with >the KX3. > >BUT, is it just me? Anyone else interested? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz |"Insofar as the propositions of mathematics refer to 408-356-8506 | reality, they are not certain; and insofar they are www.pwpconsult.com | certain, they do not refer to reality.? -- Einstein From iu3azc at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 16:13:47 2016 From: iu3azc at gmail.com (Enrico Lorenzoni IU3AZC) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 22:13:47 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] low IF out on K3 In-Reply-To: References: <5706BB22.6020707@gmail.com> <5706BD55.20809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5706BF7B.4080500@gmail.com> Hi, I confirm: R8 is labeled "133", so it is a 13k resistor. Enrico Il 07/04/2016 22:10, Art Hejduk ha scritto: > Enrico, > > Yours should definitely have this change done then. See the attached > PDF file. > > 73, > Art WB8ENE > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Enrico Lorenzoni IU3AZC > > wrote: > > > Hello, my K3 is 80xx and my friend's is 38xx > > thanks > Enrico > > > Il 07/04/2016 22:03, Art Hejduk ha scritto: >> Enrico, >> >> How old is your K3? I believe they made a change to increase the >> output on the "newer" units. I'm not sure which serial number >> this began on, but mine has the higher output, and it is serial >> number 43XX. >> >> 73, >> Art WB8ENE >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Enrico Lorenzoni IU3AZC >> > wrote: >> >> hello everyone, >> I just compared my k3 with a friend's one and my IF out is >> much lower than his k3. >> I suspected it when listening on a softrock, but now I can >> see a difference like 10 or 20db off. >> >> So I inspected my k3 and the IF out connector is fine. >> Multimeter says 0 ohms between bnc contacts and P86 pins on >> motherboard. >> What can I check next? >> Anyone did fix this same issue? >> >> thanks >> >> Enrico IU4AZC >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: >> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to valvetbone at gmail.com >> >> >> > > From ron at cobi.biz Thu Apr 7 16:24:11 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:24:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] low IF out on K3 In-Reply-To: <5706BB22.6020707@gmail.com> References: <5706BB22.6020707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002301d1910b$72b35c40$581a14c0$@biz> Older K3 transceivers (built before September 2009) do have lower output than later units. Elecraft published a modification that involves replacing a single resistor to bring up the level. They have a kit that includes an SMD and a leaded resistor (you can use either, only one is installed). Order the KIO3BUFFKT. You can see what is involved by reviewing the instructions available for download here: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/mods/IF_Output_Buffer_Gain_Mod_Rev_A.pdf If you have a 13K ohm, 1/8 watt leaded resistor or if you'd rather work with an SMD, a 13K 0805 size resistor, you won't need the kit. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Enrico Lorenzoni IU3AZC Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 12:55 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] low IF out on K3 hello everyone, I just compared my k3 with a friend's one and my IF out is much lower than his k3. I suspected it when listening on a softrock, but now I can see a difference like 10 or 20db off. So I inspected my k3 and the IF out connector is fine. Multimeter says 0 ohms between bnc contacts and P86 pins on motherboard. What can I check next? Anyone did fix this same issue? thanks Enrico IU4AZC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From k6ctw at earthlink.net Thu Apr 7 17:00:40 2016 From: k6ctw at earthlink.net (Ken Miller K6CTW) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 14:00:40 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 and a K2 Message-ID: <13161887.1460062840610.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> All, Just wondering if anyone has tried driving a KPA-500 with a K2? If so what output did you get at 5 watts in? 10 watts in? Thanks in advance for any ideas/data. 73 - Ken Miller, K6CTW K2 # 455 From phystad at mac.com Thu Apr 7 17:05:11 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 14:05:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 and a K2 In-Reply-To: <13161887.1460062840610.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13161887.1460062840610.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <69B1CD60-5174-4F02-AF6A-3B1F32202200@mac.com> I drove a KPA500 with a KX3 with 10-watts drive. I think I got out about 175 watts or something like that. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Apr 7, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Ken Miller K6CTW wrote: > > All, > > Just wondering if anyone has tried driving a KPA-500 with a K2? If so what output did you get at 5 watts in? 10 watts in? > > Thanks in advance for any ideas/data. > > 73 - Ken Miller, K6CTW > K2 # 455 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Thu Apr 7 17:19:44 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 14:19:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] S: Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: <20160407200226.GN3521@n0nb.us> References: <1460045914854-7616019.post@n2.nabble.com> <20160407200226.GN3521@n0nb.us> Message-ID: <1460063984670-7616033.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Nate, I wasn't aware the Windows version was still on x86, but I'm not terribly surprised. It might look trivial from the outside looking in, but MS charges a fortune for their dev tools. So maybe Elecraft isn't going to spring for the X64/amd64 cross-compilers and libs until x86 emulation finally drops off all the old Windows variants. And there may be portability issues that would require extra work that we don't know about too. Not quite like gcc-based toolchains where you can find a backend for almost any processor out there and it's free too.... Still looks like the Rasperry Pi is an interesting device... 73, LS W5QD Nate Bargmann wrote > * On 2016 07 Apr 11:19 -0500, lstavenhagen wrote: >> Maybe after it settles down a bit more Elecraft might look at supporting >> it? >> I wish I had the spare brain cycles to play with one of these, looks like >> a >> lot of bang/buck.... > > At this time not even amd64 builds of the Elecraft tools have been made > available so I run them in a i386 VirtualBox instance of Debian Jessie > on the odd occasion I need to use them. > >> Do the linux distros for it come with the dev. toolchains like GCC in >> them >> (I would imagine it's now matured past having to cross-compile binaries >> for >> it on PCs) ? > > They're not usually installed by default but are available via the > package manager of choice (in my case that is Aptitude). As I recall > the build-essentials package is a meta package that includes most common > build tools as dependencies. > >> How's the Python support? > > The Pi Foundation has made sure that the Python support is very good. > > 73, Nate > > -- > > "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all > possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." > > Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-PX3-Linux-Utilities-for-Raspberry-Pi-tp7616014p7616033.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k7jltextra at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 17:20:17 2016 From: k7jltextra at gmail.com (John K7JLT) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 14:20:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? Message-ID: Add me to this lengthening list of RPi users that would like a download of the utilities for my Pi. John K7JLT From dpk at randomnotes.org Thu Apr 7 17:33:30 2016 From: dpk at randomnotes.org (Doug Kingston) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 14:33:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Add me to the list too. They should consider open-sourcing the software and they would probably get help with porting, features and bug fixes. -Doug- On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:20 PM, John K7JLT wrote: > Add me to this lengthening list of RPi > users that would like a download of the utilities for my Pi. > > John K7JLT > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpk at randomnotes.org > From n0nb at n0nb.us Thu Apr 7 17:55:49 2016 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 16:55:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] S: Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: <1460063984670-7616033.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460045914854-7616019.post@n2.nabble.com> <20160407200226.GN3521@n0nb.us> <1460063984670-7616033.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20160407215549.GQ3521@n0nb.us> * On 2016 07 Apr 16:22 -0500, lstavenhagen wrote: > Hi Nate, > I wasn't aware the Windows version was still on x86, but I'm not terribly > surprised. It might look trivial from the outside looking in, but MS charges > a fortune for their dev tools. So maybe Elecraft isn't going to spring for > the X64/amd64 cross-compilers and libs until x86 emulation finally drops off > all the old Windows variants. And there may be portability issues that would > require extra work that we don't know about too. Windows? I thought we were talking about Linux! At least that is what I inferred from the thread. I was specifically referring to the present Linux utility tarball on the Elecraft download page. It is for the i386 architecture only. > Not quite like gcc-based toolchains where you can find a backend for almost > any processor out there and it's free too.... That's what I was referring to. > Still looks like the Rasperry Pi is an interesting device... Yes, it does have limitations that are discussed elsewhere. 73, Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From jackbrindle at me.com Thu Apr 7 18:00:44 2016 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 15:00:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 and a K2 In-Reply-To: <13161887.1460062840610.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13161887.1460062840610.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: The KPA500 is linear, with 13 db gain. That means the KPA should output about 20 x the input power. So, for 5 watts in, you should get about 100 out, for 10 in about 200 out. There are slight variances due to the KPA's input network. Also, be sure to check what the transceiver is putting out compared to what it is indicating. Amazing how often power calibrations are needed. - Jack Brindle, W6FB > On Apr 7, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Ken Miller K6CTW wrote: > > All, > > Just wondering if anyone has tried driving a KPA-500 with a K2? If so what output did you get at 5 watts in? 10 watts in? > > Thanks in advance for any ideas/data. > > 73 - Ken Miller, K6CTW > K2 # 455 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Thu Apr 7 18:25:40 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 15:25:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] S: Re: KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: <20160407215549.GQ3521@n0nb.us> References: <1460045914854-7616019.post@n2.nabble.com> <20160407200226.GN3521@n0nb.us> <1460063984670-7616033.post@n2.nabble.com> <20160407215549.GQ3521@n0nb.us> Message-ID: <1460067940377-7616038.post@n2.nabble.com> Ah, never mind, my mistake. I've never used the Linux version at all, so I know even less about that one lol. But yes there's much less of an excuse there, since 64bit support has been in the Intel-based gcc tools forever.... 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-PX3-Linux-Utilities-for-Raspberry-Pi-tp7616014p7616038.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From km6cq at km6cq.com Thu Apr 7 19:51:23 2016 From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 16:51:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale; KXPA100 SOLD TNX Message-ID: Dan KM6CQ From jtmiller47 at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 20:06:47 2016 From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 20:06:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? Message-ID: <3E23C54E-0A4A-4069-B63A-81E7608ADF8D@gmail.com> Does the RTTY decoder in the K3 implement UOS? 73 Jim ab3cv From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Apr 7 20:12:32 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 17:12:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna In-Reply-To: <1460022080917-7616011.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1460022080917-7616011.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5706F770.3040802@audiosystemsgroup.com> This so-called "antenna" is at best dumb, and at worst a rip-off. As master antenna-designer N6BT wrote some years ago, "everything 'works,' even a light bulb." He demonstrated this by mounting a a light bulb on a wooden fencepost, feeding with coax that he had carefully choked so that the coax could not radiate, and working all continents with it. As others have noted, antennas like magnetic loops, loaded whips (HamSticks, etc.), and long wires are the weapons of choice with limited space and/or requirements of minimal visibility. If the frame of the building is non-metallic, indoor antennas can work (but can also be mondo noisy on RX). If the frame is metallic, the antenna must be outside. The good news is that the building frame will work fine as a counterpoise (although it may block the antenna in the direction of the building). A long wire launched away from the building is best -- small diameter enameled wire can be hard to see, and works fine as an antenna. 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,4/7/2016 2:41 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote: > I am sure that David talked about an Isotron antennas like this: > https://www.isotronantennas.com/ > > I intensively tested/used this antenna in 90's on 40m (product from Sigi, > DK9FN) and I have to say it is a nightmare in overall. From my own > experiences the performance of this toy was highly dependent to the > grounding availability, bandwidth was very small and tunning was influenced > by ground only but also by closed objects a lot. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Apr 7 20:22:36 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 20:22:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? In-Reply-To: <3E23C54E-0A4A-4069-B63A-81E7608ADF8D@gmail.com> References: <3E23C54E-0A4A-4069-B63A-81E7608ADF8D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5706F9CC.3030000@embarqmail.com> OK, what is UOS? Unidentified OffSet? Or some other recent acronym? From an "I hate acronyms subscriber" - plain text is always appreciated. Don W3FPR On 4/7/2016 8:06 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > Does the RTTY decoder in the K3 implement UOS? > > 73 > > Jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 20:25:44 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 10:25:44 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? In-Reply-To: <5706F9CC.3030000@embarqmail.com> References: <3E23C54E-0A4A-4069-B63A-81E7608ADF8D@gmail.com> <5706F9CC.3030000@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5706fa89.0a66420a.2edbd.1b36@mx.google.com> UOS...Unidentified Operating System? :-) >From one who is clueless.... Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Don Wilhelm" Sent: ?8/?04/?2016 10:23 AM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? OK, what is UOS? Unidentified OffSet? Or some other recent acronym? From an "I hate acronyms subscriber" - plain text is always appreciated. Don W3FPR On 4/7/2016 8:06 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > Does the RTTY decoder in the K3 implement UOS? > > 73 > > Jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Apr 7 20:28:37 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 17:28:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? In-Reply-To: <5706F9CC.3030000@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I asked in private email. It is "Unshift On Space". I assume it means go back to letters from numbers when receiving a space character. 73 Bill AE6JV On 4/7/16 at 5:22 PM, w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: >OK, what is UOS? Unidentified OffSet? Or some other recent acronym? >From an "I hate acronyms subscriber" - plain text is always appreciated. > >Don W3FPR > >On 4/7/2016 8:06 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >>Does the RTTY decoder in the K3 implement UOS? >> >>73 >> >>Jim ab3cv ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | When it comes to the world | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | around us, is there any choice | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | but to explore? - Lisa Randall | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From w0eb at cox.net Thu Apr 7 20:32:36 2016 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 19:32:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? In-Reply-To: References: <3E23C54E-0A4A-4069-B63A-81E7608ADF8D@gmail.com> <5706F9CC.3030000@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <7C28331F-5BC3-4FFD-9FE6-5998468C191E@cox.net> RTTY acronym, "unshift on space". Machines had to be shifted into figures and stayed there until shifted back to letters. Unshift on space was devised to bring the receiving machine back to letters when a spacebar character was received to keep from printing gibberish if the shift to letters character was garbled or (heaven forbid) forgotten. Jim, W0EB Sent from my iPad > On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Gary wrote: > > UOS...Unidentified Operating System? > :-) > > From one who is clueless.... > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Don Wilhelm" > Sent: ?8/?04/?2016 10:23 AM > To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? > > OK, what is UOS? Unidentified OffSet? Or some other recent acronym? > From an "I hate acronyms subscriber" - plain text is always appreciated. > > Don W3FPR > >> On 4/7/2016 8:06 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >> Does the RTTY decoder in the K3 implement UOS? >> >> 73 >> >> Jim ab3cv >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 20:38:16 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 10:38:16 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? In-Reply-To: <7C28331F-5BC3-4FFD-9FE6-5998468C191E@cox.net> References: <3E23C54E-0A4A-4069-B63A-81E7608ADF8D@gmail.com> <5706F9CC.3030000@embarqmail.com> <7C28331F-5BC3-4FFD-9FE6-5998468C191E@cox.net> Message-ID: <5706fd78.d810620a.b2f85.24d8@mx.google.com> Aha, Jim to the rescue of us of little anacronym knowledge :-) Thank you Sir, my life can now continue in its current state of normalcy....ahem.... Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Jim Sheldon" Sent: ?8/?04/?2016 10:32 AM To: "Gary" Cc: "w3fpr at embarqmail.com" ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? RTTY acronym, "unshift on space". Machines had to be shifted into figures and stayed there until shifted back to letters. Unshift on space was devised to bring the receiving machine back to letters when a spacebar character was received to keep from printing gibberish if the shift to letters character was garbled or (heaven forbid) forgotten. Jim, W0EB Sent from my iPad > On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Gary wrote: > > UOS...Unidentified Operating System? > :-) > > From one who is clueless.... > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Don Wilhelm" > Sent: ?8/?04/?2016 10:23 AM > To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? > > OK, what is UOS? Unidentified OffSet? Or some other recent acronym? > From an "I hate acronyms subscriber" - plain text is always appreciated. > > Don W3FPR > >> On 4/7/2016 8:06 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >> Does the RTTY decoder in the K3 implement UOS? >> >> 73 >> >> Jim ab3cv >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net From wa6nhc at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 21:08:21 2016 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 18:08:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? In-Reply-To: <7C28331F-5BC3-4FFD-9FE6-5998468C191E@cox.net> References: <3E23C54E-0A4A-4069-B63A-81E7608ADF8D@gmail.com> <5706F9CC.3030000@embarqmail.com> <7C28331F-5BC3-4FFD-9FE6-5998468C191E@cox.net> Message-ID: <57070485.9020909@gmail.com> And because there were variations in how the machines (the actual teletype mechanism) could be set up, what we now presume for (End Of Line) is ENTER, it wasn't uncommon to see or variations on the theme carriage return, Line Feed (advance one line) LeTteRs... so that it was (almost) guaranteed to start each line at a known point. UOS should NEVER be presumed, even with software. This was a good question.... now awaiting an answer since we're on the same page :-D Rick NHC (used a Kleinshmidt) On 4/7/2016 5:32 PM, Jim Sheldon wrote: > RTTY acronym, "unshift on space". Machines had to be shifted into figures and stayed there until shifted back to letters. Unshift on space was devised to bring the receiving machine back to letters when a spacebar character was received to keep from printing gibberish if the shift to letters character was garbled or (heaven forbid) forgotten. > > Jim, W0EB > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Gary wrote: >> >> UOS...Unidentified Operating System? >> :-) >> >> From one who is clueless.... >> Gary >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Don Wilhelm" >> Sent: ?8/?04/?2016 10:23 AM >> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? >> >> OK, what is UOS? Unidentified OffSet? Or some other recent acronym? >> From an "I hate acronyms subscriber" - plain text is always appreciated. >> >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 4/7/2016 8:06 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >>> Does the RTTY decoder in the K3 implement UOS? >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Jim ab3cv >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w0eb at cox.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6nhc at gmail.com From brendon at whateley.com Thu Apr 7 21:10:44 2016 From: brendon at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 18:10:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Put me on that list. I've got a couple of RPis and am looking to get a new model 3 for all my digital modes. - Brendon On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Doug Kingston wrote: > Add me to the list too. They should consider open-sourcing the software > and they would probably get help with porting, features and bug fixes. > > -Doug- > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:20 PM, John K7JLT wrote: > > > Add me to this lengthening list of RPi > > users that would like a download of the utilities for my Pi. > > > > John K7JLT > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to dpk at randomnotes.org > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brendon at whateley.com > From dave at nk7z.net Thu Apr 7 21:18:05 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 18:18:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1460078285.16109.6.camel@nk7z.net> Same here... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2016-04-07 at 18:10 -0700, Brendon Whateley wrote: > Put me on that list. I've got a couple of RPis and am looking to get > a new > model 3 for all my digital modes. > > - Brendon > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Doug Kingston > wrote: > > > > > Add me to the list too.??They should consider open-sourcing the > > software > > and they would probably get help with porting, features and bug > > fixes. > > > > -Doug- > > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:20 PM, John K7JLT > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Add me to this lengthening list of RPi > > > users that would like a download of the utilities for my Pi. > > > > > > John K7JLT > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.ht > > > ml > > > Message delivered to dpk at randomnotes.org > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to brendon at whateley.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com Thu Apr 7 21:42:26 2016 From: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com (John K9UWA) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 21:42:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 radio no receive no transmit Message-ID: <57070C82.25608.14471CB@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> My K3 is acting up a bit. No Receive No Transmit. I operate this radio remotely so all I can tell you is that it appears to be all working as per the HRD screen I am looking at. The radio appears to switch to transmit and I hear the monitor CW being sent but no output on the wattmeter. The only noise coming from the radio is inter radio noise it the volume is turned to max. A slight TAP on the top of the case and the radio goes back into perfect normal operation. I am guessing that some plug someplace inside the radio isn't making proper contact. Does anyone have any idea which plug and its location? Thanks John k9uwa John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF Antique Radio Restorations k9uwa at arrl.net Visit our Web Site at: http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com 4836 Ranch Road Leo, IN 46765 USA 1-260-637-6426 From gallsup at whoi.edu Thu Apr 7 22:12:48 2016 From: gallsup at whoi.edu (Geoff Allsup) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 22:12:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 radio no receive no transmit In-Reply-To: <57070C82.25608.14471CB@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> References: <57070C82.25608.14471CB@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> Message-ID: <50E08EA6-1CC5-4061-BD8B-B107BC5B526A@whoi.edu> Check the connections on the KSYN3 board(s) behind the front panel. geoff - W1OH Sent from my iPhone Geoff Allsup, W1OH gallsup at whoi.edu or w1oh at whoi.edu Senior Engineer Upper Ocean Processes Group Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Woods Hole, MA > On Apr 7, 2016, at 21:42, John K9UWA wrote: > > My K3 is acting up a bit. No Receive No Transmit. I operate this radio > remotely so all I can tell you is that it appears to be all working as per the > HRD screen I am looking at. The radio appears to switch to transmit and I > hear the monitor CW being sent but no output on the wattmeter. The only > noise coming from the radio is inter radio noise it the volume is turned to > max. A slight TAP on the top of the case and the radio goes back into > perfect normal operation. I am guessing that some plug someplace inside > the radio isn't making proper contact. > > Does anyone have any idea which plug and its location? > > Thanks > John k9uwa > John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF > Antique Radio Restorations > k9uwa at arrl.net > Visit our Web Site at: > http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com > 4836 Ranch Road > Leo, IN 46765 > USA > 1-260-637-6426 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gallsup at whoi.edu > From jmoodysr at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 22:49:17 2016 From: jmoodysr at gmail.com (Jon Moody) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 19:49:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Message-ID: I would be interested in all of the utilities running on Raspberry Pi 3 as well especially for the KX3. -- Thanks Jon KG6VDW From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Apr 7 22:54:26 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 22:54:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 radio no receive no transmit In-Reply-To: <57070C82.25608.14471CB@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> References: <57070C82.25608.14471CB@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> Message-ID: <57071D62.3030501@embarqmail.com> John, Don't forget to check the connections on the outside of the K3 as well. A loose PL-259 connector could cause that same behavior. PL-259s need to be tightened finger tight, and then given just a little bit more tightening with pliers to assure a good connection to the coax braid. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/7/2016 9:42 PM, John K9UWA wrote: > My K3 is acting up a bit. No Receive No Transmit. I operate this radio > remotely so all I can tell you is that it appears to be all working as per the > HRD screen I am looking at. The radio appears to switch to transmit and I > hear the monitor CW being sent but no output on the wattmeter. The only > noise coming from the radio is inter radio noise it the volume is turned to > max. A slight TAP on the top of the case and the radio goes back into > perfect normal operation. I am guessing that some plug someplace inside > the radio isn't making proper contact. > > Does anyone have any idea which plug and its location? > > From rv6amark at yahoo.com Thu Apr 7 23:03:59 2016 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark, KE6BB) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 20:03:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? Message-ID: Ever since I bought my KX3, I have wondered just how the software handles the shift between letters and numbers, ?but I never thought to ask this forum. ? I thought about doing a few tests to find out, but since I haven't worked RTTY since I sold my Model 19 in 1990, it just never was a priority.? ?So just how does the software handle the shift? MARK, KE 6 BB (Wow, that was hard to type on my Android phone!!!) From ron at cobi.biz Thu Apr 7 23:38:50 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 20:38:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? In-Reply-To: <5706fd78.d810620a.b2f85.24d8@mx.google.com> References: <3E23C54E-0A4A-4069-B63A-81E7608ADF8D@gmail.com> <5706F9CC.3030000@embarqmail.com> <7C28331F-5BC3-4FFD-9FE6-5998468C191E@cox.net> <5706fd78.d810620a.b2f85.24d8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002201d19148$2a783990$7f68acb0$@biz> In pre-history (when the Model 19 was state of the art) we simply hit LTRS several times after sending figures to be sure it was received. Also, every line of text ended with a Carriage Return - Line Feed - Letters key sequence to be sure it was ready for more text. 73 Ron AC7AC From dave at nk7z.net Fri Apr 8 00:06:57 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 21:06:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Macro Spread Sheet Update Message-ID: <1460088417.16109.13.camel@nk7z.net> Hello, For those of you who put together a Genovation external keypad I have updated the Macro spread sheet located at: http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/ About 3/4 of the way down the article you will find a link to the new spreadsheet. ? Macro 35 sets the K3 power to 25 Watts, and Macro 36 Sets the K3 power to 100 Watts. ?The template for printing Generation key caps has been updated to reflect the two new commands. If you did not do a Genovation Keypad, the macros are still good to use if you enter them into the P3. --? 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Fri Apr 8 00:32:59 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 21:32:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5707347B.40004@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> On a Model 15 or 19, you could see the mechanism move on a or character. On a 28, you could see the typebox shift positions. In software, it's the same: you have a 5 bit baudot character and a figs/ltrs state, they're read, decoded and the appropriate character "printed" on the display. I'd expect the encoding algorithms to follow the best practices while sending and decoding to handle all the odd variations that might be out there. -- Lynn On 4/7/2016 8:03 PM, Mark, KE6BB via Elecraft wrote: > Ever since I bought my KX3, I have wondered just how the software handles the shift between letters and numbers, but I never thought to ask this forum. I thought about doing a few tests to find out, but since I haven't worked RTTY since I sold my Model 19 in 1990, it just never was a priority. From K2TK at ptd.net Fri Apr 8 00:59:02 2016 From: K2TK at ptd.net (Bob) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 00:59:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? In-Reply-To: <57070485.9020909@gmail.com> References: <3E23C54E-0A4A-4069-B63A-81E7608ADF8D@gmail.com> <5706F9CC.3030000@embarqmail.com> <7C28331F-5BC3-4FFD-9FE6-5998468C191E@cox.net> <57070485.9020909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57073A96.7080702@ptd.net> Well as I understood it from years ago it was not just setup but condition of the machine too. Today in logic terms it would be a "race" condition. Would the carriage actually be returned and ready in time? Quite often not so the solution was to send multiple CR's or LF's. The mechanical equivalent of one shots or logic delay loops. This was done before RTTY and was a problem on TTY current loops. No RTTY QSO's in years but have functional setup for receive, K3 audio to a Timewave 59Y driving a model 15. Great demo and conversation piece for visiting hams. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR(1956) & K2TKR On 4/7/2016 9:08 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > And because there were variations in how the machines (the actual teletype > mechanism) could be set up, what we now presume for (End Of Line) is > ENTER, it wasn't uncommon to see > > or variations on the theme carriage return, Line > Feed (advance one line) LeTteRs... so that it was (almost) guaranteed to > start each line at a known point. > > UOS should NEVER be presumed, even with software. This was a good > question.... now awaiting an answer since we're on the same page :-D > > Rick NHC (used a Kleinshmidt) > > > On 4/7/2016 5:32 PM, Jim Sheldon wrote: >> RTTY acronym, "unshift on space". Machines had to be shifted into figures and >> stayed there until shifted back to letters. Unshift on space was devised to >> bring the receiving machine back to letters when a spacebar character was >> received to keep from printing gibberish if the shift to letters character >> was garbled or (heaven forbid) forgotten. >> >> Jim, W0EB >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Gary wrote: >>> >>> UOS...Unidentified Operating System? >>> :-) >>> >>> From one who is clueless.... >>> Gary >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "Don Wilhelm" >>> Sent: ?8/?04/?2016 10:23 AM >>> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? >>> >>> OK, what is UOS? Unidentified OffSet? Or some other recent acronym? >>> From an "I hate acronyms subscriber" - plain text is always appreciated. >>> >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>>> On 4/7/2016 8:06 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >>>> Does the RTTY decoder in the K3 implement UOS? >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Jim ab3cv From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Apr 8 01:55:13 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 22:55:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? In-Reply-To: <57073A96.7080702@ptd.net> Message-ID: On the Teletype model 33 and 35, one character delay was enough for the carriage to return to the left margin. That made the CR LF sequence the favored new line. (The LF could be executed in one character time.) These machines used ASCII code as compared with the model 28 and earlier models which used the Baudot code we use for RTTY. I understand that these earlier machines had the same timing, but I never had any direct experience with them. Indeed, if you used the LF CR sequence, you needed to insert a one character time delay for timing. A Rubout character was often used for this delay. 73 Bill AE6JV On 4/8/16 at 9:59 PM, K2TK at ptd.net (Bob) wrote: >Well as I understood it from years ago it was not just setup >but condition of the machine too. Today in logic terms it >would be a "race" condition. Would the carriage actually be >returned and ready in time? Quite often not so the solution >was to send multiple CR's or LF's. The mechanical equivalent >of one shots or logic delay loops. This was done before RTTY >and was a problem on TTY current loops. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Concurrency is hard. 12 out | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From egrimseid at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 03:10:54 2016 From: egrimseid at gmail.com (Erlend Grimseid) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 09:10:54 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: References: <1460078285.16109.6.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: Add me to the list also. Both for the pi and x86 Linux. Or just open source it and it will sort it selves out. Only thing is. If it's compiled from source by some 3rd party Elecraft can most certainly not be held responsible for the software bricking your radio or what ever Elecraft product you are trying to update. The best thing would be for Elecraft to compile and quality control it their selves. 73 Erlend La4tta. From iu3azc at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 05:48:24 2016 From: iu3azc at gmail.com (Enrico Lorenzoni IU3AZC) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:48:24 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] low IF out on K3 In-Reply-To: <002301d1910b$72b35c40$581a14c0$@biz> References: <5706BB22.6020707@gmail.com> <002301d1910b$72b35c40$581a14c0$@biz> Message-ID: <57077E68.9060705@gmail.com> hello everyone. My K3 is # 80XX so it should be fine. With my multimeter I checked R8 and it's reading 270ohms (mounted on the board). From the schematic I guess there should be no DC flowing and that I should read 13.3k, so I think R8 is broken or the problem is in Q10 fet, being resistive on the gate. anyone has experience in this, before I start desoldering components and measure them? thanks Enrico Il 07/04/2016 22:24, Ron D'Eau Claire ha scritto: > Older K3 transceivers (built before September 2009) do have lower output > than later units. Elecraft published a modification that involves replacing > a single resistor to bring up the level. > > They have a kit that includes an SMD and a leaded resistor (you can use > either, only one is installed). Order the KIO3BUFFKT. You can see what is > involved by reviewing the instructions available for download here: > > http://www.elecraft.com/K3/mods/IF_Output_Buffer_Gain_Mod_Rev_A.pdf > > If you have a 13K ohm, 1/8 watt leaded resistor or if you'd rather work with > an SMD, a 13K 0805 size resistor, you won't need the kit. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Enrico > Lorenzoni IU3AZC > Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 12:55 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] low IF out on K3 > > hello everyone, > I just compared my k3 with a friend's one and my IF out is much lower than > his k3. > I suspected it when listening on a softrock, but now I can see a difference > like 10 or 20db off. > > So I inspected my k3 and the IF out connector is fine. Multimeter says 0 > ohms between bnc contacts and P86 pins on motherboard. > What can I check next? > Anyone did fix this same issue? > > thanks > > Enrico IU4AZC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > From joel.b.black at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 06:31:11 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 05:31:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] The Long Way 'Round to a Wooden Stand Message-ID: <255552AB-B863-49E6-BFAD-4CBAF8A96819@gmail.com> It is Spring in Alabama. We are now in our fourth week of nice weather (other than our typical t-storms) but it won?t last. This is the longest I can remember having mild weather before the heat and humidity kick in. In a couple of weeks, it will be time to start planting the garden. It is so nice out, I am always trying to find things to do outside. My neck has already been turned red several days this year - my understanding is that this is *not* where the term redneck originates but from the Scots who used red bandanas to shield them from the sun. Regardless, I am part Scot so I consider this a term of endearment regardless of what others may think. A few years back, I bought several pieces of cedar from a mill whose owner I know. Those pieces have come in handy to build my raised-bed gardens and provide support for my various scuppernong, muscadine, and grape vines. However, I have several scrap pieces left over. As some of you may know, cedar is rot- and bug-resistant. I took one of the 4x4 cedar post scraps and cut a couple of notches out of it and made a crude stand for my KX3. Well, I?m always tinkering around and got to thinking about some of the cedar 2x4 scraps I have. I have in my mind exactly what I want to do by cutting the 2x4 scraps into 1/2? thick strips and joining them into a plank with my biscuit joiner. I would like to build a stand that will hold both the KX3 and the PX3 (don?t have one yet but I may buy one) and I need to confirm the total width is 13 1/2?. I think I added up 13.3? but my measuring stick does 32nds not 10ths. :) If it turns out okay, I?ll provide pictures. Is this what happens when you approach 50? You start waning anecdotally? Thanks for the bandwidth. 73, Joel - W4JBB From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Apr 8 06:32:21 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 06:32:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <570788B5.1000509@nycap.rr.com> The question and the asker have been beaten to a pulp with these answers (some rather insulting). All that was asked could have been answered with a simple yes or a no. This is exactly why many, and myself, are reluctant to ask questions here. Bill W2BLC K-Line From bob at hogbytes.com Fri Apr 8 09:09:56 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 06:09:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] The Long Way 'Round to a Wooden Stand In-Reply-To: <255552AB-B863-49E6-BFAD-4CBAF8A96819@gmail.com> References: <255552AB-B863-49E6-BFAD-4CBAF8A96819@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1460120996669-7616063.post@n2.nabble.com> Just measured mine and total end to end is 13 5/8" You need to take into account the right angle connectors on the left side of the KX3. This is with the PX3 to the left of the KX3. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-The-Long-Way-Round-to-a-Wooden-Stand-tp7616061p7616063.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ne2i at yahoo.com Fri Apr 8 10:36:59 2016 From: ne2i at yahoo.com (George Cortez) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 14:36:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] The Long Way 'Round to a Wooden Stand In-Reply-To: <1460120996669-7616063.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460120996669-7616063.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1409669047.1703109.1460126219190.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I built mine with just glue and clamps. save your?biscuits for breakfast.... George NE2I On Friday, April 8, 2016 8:13 AM, Bob N3MNT wrote: Just measured mine and total end to end is 13 5/8"? You need to take into account the right angle connectors on the left side of the KX3.? This is with the PX3 to the left of the KX3.? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-The-Long-Way-Round-to-a-Wooden-Stand-tp7616061p7616063.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ne2i at yahoo.com From rpfjeld at outlook.com Fri Apr 8 11:30:27 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 10:30:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] The Long Way 'Round to a Wooden Stand In-Reply-To: <255552AB-B863-49E6-BFAD-4CBAF8A96819@gmail.com> References: <255552AB-B863-49E6-BFAD-4CBAF8A96819@gmail.com> Message-ID: Your weather sounds good to me. Here in Minnesota, I woke to snow on our 30 year old Cedar deck. Yes, Cedar is good. Dick, n0ce On 4/8/2016 5:31 AM, Joel Black wrote: > It is Spring in Alabama. We are now in our fourth week of nice weather (other than our typical t-storms) but it won?t last. From rheming1 at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 8 12:29:15 2016 From: rheming1 at sbcglobal.net (Richard W Hemingway) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) References: <564896889.212454.1460132955495.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <564896889.212454.1460132955495.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi,I am ?rather new to this forum. ?I have recently bought a K3S and am thinking of buying both the P3 and the P3VGA. ?Presently, I am using Fldigi on my computer and mostly ?operatewith PSK and sometimes some CW. If I buy these am I being redundant or does it make sense to buy them? ?I am hoping that some of the members of this forum are using Fldigi and P3, and can answer the query. Thanks, Dick, N5XRD From kenk3iu at cox.net Fri Apr 8 12:50:42 2016 From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken K3IU) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:50:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft K3/100 Message-ID: <5707E162.3040402@cox.net> This is an oldie but goodie (s/n 2xx) which has all official mods and enhancements available to this serial number and is fully functional to the latest specs. I am the original owner and the radio has always been in a non-smoking environment. I have a new K3S and this K3 is now excess to my needs. This is the basic K3 with the 5 pole 2.7kHz filter, the latest firmware, and the following options... KPA3 100 watt PA KAT3 Auto Tuner Module KXV3A Transverter Interface All manuals, update details and documentation, power cord, and hex wrenches are included. Asking $1895 shipped UPS ground to CONUS. Will accept PayPal or USPS Money Order. 73, Ken Wagner K3IU Portsmouth, RI From rwklein at katyweb.net Fri Apr 8 13:10:13 2016 From: rwklein at katyweb.net (Roger Klein) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:10:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Message-ID: <01ac01d191b9$85083560$8f18a020$@net> Add me as well for running on the Pi, this would be useful to have. Roger N5RWK From kevinr at coho.net Fri Apr 8 13:12:16 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 10:12:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] The Long Way 'Round to a Wooden Stand In-Reply-To: <255552AB-B863-49E6-BFAD-4CBAF8A96819@gmail.com> References: <255552AB-B863-49E6-BFAD-4CBAF8A96819@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5707E670.2030807@coho.net> Two days of relatively hot weather has made the spicy cedar smell dominate the spring breeze. Oregon is not known for its sunshine this time of year; it feels odd, but the biting flies love it. No way for me to get a red neck here since I need a towel over my head to cut down on their feeding frenzy. {It rose to 77 degrees yesterday where normally it should not exceed 50.} Two of my redcedar trees are used for antenna supports. The rest protect me from straight line winds. GL with the cedar project, Kevin. KD5ONS On 4/8/2016 3:31 AM, Joel Black wrote: > It is Spring in Alabama. We are now in our fourth week of nice weather (other than our typical t-storms) but it won?t last. This is the longest I can remember having mild weather before the heat and humidity kick in. In a couple of weeks, it will be time to start planting the garden. It is so nice out, I am always trying to find things to do outside. My neck has already been turned red several days this year - my understanding is that this is *not* where the term redneck originates but from the Scots who used red bandanas to shield them from the sun. Regardless, I am part Scot so I consider this a term of endearment regardless of what others may think. > > A few years back, I bought several pieces of cedar from a mill whose owner I know. Those pieces have come in handy to build my raised-bed gardens and provide support for my various scuppernong, muscadine, and grape vines. However, I have several scrap pieces left over. As some of you may know, cedar is rot- and bug-resistant. I took one of the 4x4 cedar post scraps and cut a couple of notches out of it and made a crude stand for my KX3. Well, I?m always tinkering around and got to thinking about some of the cedar 2x4 scraps I have. > > I have in my mind exactly what I want to do by cutting the 2x4 scraps into 1/2? thick strips and joining them into a plank with my biscuit joiner. I would like to build a stand that will hold both the KX3 and the PX3 (don?t have one yet but I may buy one) and I need to confirm the total width is 13 1/2?. I think I added up 13.3? but my measuring stick does 32nds not 10ths. :) If it turns out okay, I?ll provide pictures. > > Is this what happens when you approach 50? You start waning anecdotally? > > Thanks for the bandwidth. > > 73, > Joel - W4JBB > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net From j123law at aol.com Fri Apr 8 13:24:04 2016 From: j123law at aol.com (John Lawrence) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:24:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 For Sale Message-ID: <153f6e6f59b-51e6-180e5@webprd-m74.mail.aol.com> KX3 FOR SALE Like new, no scratches, factory built. Used in one CW Field Day to produce over 300 QSOs on CW then stored. s/n 6027, with Hand Mic, Real Time Clock/Battery and 3KHz Roofing Filter options. USB to serial cable. ACC2 break out adapter. Nifty stand and Manuals included. Elecraft operation, KE7X and Nifty mini manuals. All works great with especially super QSK cw and receiver best I've ever used for high speed contest style operation. No internal antenna tuner to increase reliability and allow external manual tuner thus reducing any RFI potential. It works perfectly into the KXPA series amps without a tuner in between. Antenna tuners should be at the antenna away from the shack or tent. . $1195.00 obo plus shipping and no Pay Pal please. John W1QS 207 615 2824 From bob.novas at verizon.net Fri Apr 8 13:27:50 2016 From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:27:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) [FLDIGI vs P3] Message-ID: <088b01d191bb$f9f80d30$ede82790$@verizon.net> Dick - The P3 and Fldigi are really looking at very different signals and have very different uses although there is some overlap, and that's what maybe gets confusing. The P3 is a "fish finder" for a big hunk of a band - the P3 looks at the K3's IF and can represent as much as 200kHz of it (but, it can also represent a small portion of it, which is where it starts looking like fldigi). Nevertheless, the P3 allows you to do things you cannot do with fldigi. You can use the P3 to tune the radio to an SSB signal visually - and by that I mean not only can you see the signal, but also you can set the radio's receive frequency to be appropriate to receive the signal without spinning the dial. You can also use the P3 to look at a small span, and to decode RTTY -this is where it is like fldigi. But, in my opinion, fldigi is a lot better at doing this than the P3, and on the other hand, fldigi cannot do what the P3 can with respect to tuning or visualizing band conditions. Bob W3DK > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Richard W Hemingway > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 12:29 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) > > Hi,I am rather new to this forum. I have recently bought a K3S and am thinking > of buying both the P3 and the P3VGA. Presently, I am using Fldigi on my > computer and mostly operatewith PSK and sometimes some CW. If I buy these > am I being redundant or does it make sense to buy them? I am hoping that > some of the members of this forum are using Fldigi and P3, and can answer the > query. Thanks, Dick, N5XRD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Apr 8 13:45:17 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 10:45:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry In-Reply-To: <01ac01d191b9$85083560$8f18a020$@net> References: <01ac01d191b9$85083560$8f18a020$@net> Message-ID: <5707EE2D.7020502@socal.rr.com> Regarding the RPi, I like experimenting with it but as a shack computer the idea of a separate computer unit plus monitor plus keyboard seems a bit of a kluge. Just now my shack computer is an 11" 2010 MacBook Air with 250GB SSD. It runs both Windows 10 and OS X 10.11.4, so I can use the many ham apps (such as EZNEC) unique to Windows and not requiring too much computing power. A real plus is that it can sit in front of my K3 or KX3 and I can still see the rig's front panel over the top of the computer's monitor -- and the monitor is plenty large enough for the digital modes, and the keyboard is full size. My most compact RPi set up now is an RP2 with a small keyboard with trackpad and a 7" HDMI monitor. Due to the separate boxes that takes up more space than the 11" MacBook Air, while having a smaller-than-normal keyboard and a screen which is a challenge to use. So I just don't get all the enthusiasm for using an RPi (or BBB) as the shack computer to support the Elecraft utilities, etc. No problem with Linux (which I can run on the MBAir, and do run on my RPi2), just with the physical arrangement. 73, Phil W7OX On 4/8/16 10:10 AM, Roger Klein wrote: > Add me as well for running on the Pi, this would be useful to have. > > > > Roger N5RWK From kengkopp at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 14:08:49 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:08:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities Message-ID: Wayne and Eric: PLEASE don't cave in to the requests of those on the reflectors who are asking you to disclose the "genetic makeup" of their radios by publishing the software that would enable anyone to modify how a given radio operates. I see this as no different than a breeder of a thoroughbred breed of dog opening the pen and letting all comers mate with the females. You would end up with a "contaminated" breed. I envision an increased workload at Elecraft in dealing with the customers who manage to "mess up" their radio's "brains" and want help in restoring them to the original state. Nothing but non-profit overhead. I would be wary ... read "never" ... of buying a used Elecraft product for fear that it's genetic makeup had been altered and really wasn't an Elecraft anymore. Perhaps I'm not understanding something ... 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP Full K-line, KX3, PX3, KXPA100, K2/100, W2's, etc. From alan_geller2001 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 8 14:44:50 2016 From: alan_geller2001 at yahoo.com (Alan Geller) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:44:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? Message-ID: <2A63FE34-3F66-40CD-84C0-9753C39B1145@yahoo.com> Please put me on the list of interested KX3 owners. The idea of Elecraft maintaining and qualifying this software is great, but there is a lot of it and it will incur costs. However?it could be a productive and low cost path for Elecraft to evaluate it?s next product line which could be a more highly integrated computer/RF system. Even though I have been in this business most of my life, I am still amazed at the capability one can have for $35?.almost enough for lunch for 2 in Silicon Valley. Alan/K6ADG From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Fri Apr 8 14:50:30 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:50:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1460141430652-7616076.post@n2.nabble.com> Might I ask what you're referring to? Thanks, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Utilities-tp7616074p7616076.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave at nk7z.net Fri Apr 8 14:54:28 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 11:54:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3S was No Subject In-Reply-To: <564896889.212454.1460132955495.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <564896889.212454.1460132955495.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <564896889.212454.1460132955495.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1460141668.6116.19.camel@nk7z.net> Hi, The P3 doest not duplicate any function FLDigi does, save a few modes for Digital use. ?I prefer a full sized computer screen for digital, so using the P3 for digital never happens here... ? The real advantage of the P3/SVGA is the band-scope, or Panadaptor. ?It shows you most if not all of a band at once, and you can zoom in and out looking for open spots to call your DX, or spot a pileup from across the band, etc... ?In a pileup, I can see the holes, and the stations that the DX is talking to, so I know where he is listening at... ? For me, the SVGA is a godsend, it allows me to send macros to the K3, and to put the screen on a different monitor... ?If you look here: http://nk7z.net/station/ you will see photo of my Operating position. ?Click that photo, and it will expand, then look in the upper right hand portion of the area where the monitor is. ?You will see a second, smaller monitor, showing the P3 displayed in a different view, and larger than the native P3 display... ?That monitor is switchable and I can switch in a cluster view, or a prop map view into it for day to day use... ?The SVGA allows me to add the P3 as well. ? I also fire off macros at the K3 using the keyboard input on the back of the P3. ?See: http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/ for a full description on how to connect a remote keypad to your K3, using the Keyboard function the SVGA provides... I had occasion to use a friends K3, and he did not have the P3... ?It felt like I had been hobbled to not have it, I had lost the "feel" of the band one gets when one can see most of it at one time... ? He commented that that seemed a bit over the top, then tried my setup in a pileup-- ?he now has a P3 as well... ? So in short is it worth it? ?For me-- absolutely! -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Fri, 2016-04-08 at 16:29 +0000, Richard W Hemingway wrote: > Hi,I am ?rather new to this forum. ?I have recently bought a K3S and > am thinking of buying both the P3 and the P3VGA. ?Presently, I am > using Fldigi on my computer and mostly ?operatewith PSK and sometimes > some CW. If I buy these am I being redundant or does it make sense to > buy them? ?I am hoping that some of the members of this forum are > using Fldigi and P3, and can answer the query. Thanks, > Dick, N5XRD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From erusst at att.net Fri Apr 8 15:26:47 2016 From: erusst at att.net (Russ Tobolic) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 radio no receive no transmit In-Reply-To: <57070C82.25608.14471CB@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> References: <57070C82.25608.14471CB@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> Message-ID: <869586349.1952046.1460143607069.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Do you have the new KSYN3A? ?I just experienced a similar problem but tapping on the case didn't solve anything. Elecraft support determined I have a bad synthesizer.?Russ, N3CO From: John K9UWA To: Mailman Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 9:42 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 radio no receive no transmit My K3 is acting up a bit. No Receive No Transmit. I operate this radio remotely so all I can tell you is that it appears to be all working as per the HRD screen I am looking at. The radio appears to switch to transmit and I hear the monitor CW being sent but no output on the wattmeter.? The only noise coming from the radio is inter radio noise it the volume is turned to max. A slight TAP on the top of the case and the radio goes back into perfect normal operation. I am guessing that some plug someplace inside the radio isn't making proper contact. Does anyone have any idea which plug and its location? Thanks John k9uwa John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF Antique Radio Restorations k9uwa at arrl.net Visit our Web Site at: http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com 4836 Ranch Road Leo, IN 46765 USA 1-260-637-6426 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to erusst at att.net From joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com Fri Apr 8 16:24:59 2016 From: joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com (Jessie Oberreuter) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: W5QD et. al., Ken is referring to the following message, which essentially requests a simple command-line firmware loader program. Note that this is NOT a request for DNA level access to the radio's internals. The communication protocols for most of the Elecraft radio functions are described in the public documentation, enabling people to write their own code for most functions. The firmware loading protocols, however, are not. The only way to update the firmware (not generate our own!) is to download and run platform specific GUI applications from Elecraft. For most users running Windows or MacOS, this is fine: virtually all of these users expect GUI software, have their computers directly connected to their radios, and aren't aren't running on unusual computer hardware. For those of us running Linux (or even more obscure operating systems), a GUI application that only works on x86 machines that are directly connected to the radio is awkward. My laptop and all of my shack machines are ARM based, so when I need to upgrade my K3, I need to extract it from all of its cables and haul it over to my x86 work machine. My work machine is running 64bit linux, while the Elecraft tool is 32bit, so I also need to install 32bit versions of several libraries to run it. Similarly, all of my radio gear at home is actually hooked to a serial-to-ethernet device, which is great for all of the software I use, but not fine for K3Util, which expects to talk specifically to a directly connected hardware serial port. There are several approaches to solving this problem. The first is to ask Elecraft to provide more versions of their software: can I get an x86_64 build? ARM7 please! Actually, I use my Android for everything ... can I get an Android app? Fortunately, we recognize that Elecraft is a /radio/ company, /not/ a consumer software company, and we don't want to ask them to spend time supporting dozens of firmware loaders. Ideally, we would like to see or, with access to the protocol documentation, develop an open-source library for updating the firmware. Then we can build our own firmware loaders for whatever platforms we choose. Recognizing that this may be asking for proprietary and/or licensed information, Bruce has suggested a middle ground -- offer a simple "glue" interface (a command line firmware loading tool) that would be much simpler for Elecraft to build for lots of different platforms and would be more in line with the linux philosophy of starting with light weight command line tools, and adding far more difficult to develop and maintain GUIs on top as desired. Perhaps a simpler option would be to offer a library or command line tool in a portable format that still obscures the proprietary protocol implementation. Java is a good candidate for this, as there are Java VMs for practically every platform out there. -kb7psg Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 17:52:34 From: Bruce Nourish To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Feature request: Command line firmware updater Hi folks, As the subject suggests, I'd like to put in a feature request, for a simple, command line firmware updater tool, for all applicable Elecraft rigs. To update the firmware on my KX3 and PX3, I need to download and set up two separate programs, most of whose functionality I won't ever need. Such a tool would be easy for Elecraft to write and maintain, and would be easy to make work on different platforms, which brings me to the next part of this feature request. I'd like to be able to run this tool both on my Intel Linux machines, and my Raspberry Pi, which is hooked up to my KX3 and PX3 whenever my KX3 is home. Cross-compiling such a simple tool should also be pretty easy. I'm sure there are other people who're in similar situations, and would appreciate something to address these use cases. Firmware updates are one of the few things where you can't roll-your-own. Thanks. Bruce On Fri, 8 Apr 2016, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Wayne and Eric: > > PLEASE don't cave in to the requests of those on the reflectors who are > asking you to disclose the "genetic makeup" of their radios by > publishing the software that would enable anyone to modify how a given > radio operates. > > I see this as no different than a breeder of a thoroughbred breed of dog > opening the pen and letting all comers mate with the females. You would > end up with a "contaminated" breed. > > I envision an increased workload at Elecraft in dealing with the > customers who manage to "mess up" their radio's "brains" and want help > in restoring them to the original state. Nothing but non-profit > overhead. > > I would be wary ... read "never" ... of buying a used Elecraft product > for fear that it's genetic makeup had been altered and really wasn't an > Elecraft anymore. > > Perhaps I'm not understanding something ... > > 73! > > Ken Kopp - K0PP > Full K-line, KX3, PX3, KXPA100, K2/100, W2's, etc. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com > From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 16:35:58 2016 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:35:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5708162E.5010609@gmail.com> This would be a fantastic, much appreciated tool! 73, Mike ab3ap, decades long Unix(-like) user On 04/08/2016 04:24 PM, Jessie Oberreuter wrote: > > [...] the following message, which essentially > requests a simple command-line firmware loader program. [...] > > -kb7psg > > Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 17:52:34 > From: Bruce Nourish > > As the subject suggests, I'd like to put in a feature request, for a > simple, command line firmware updater tool, for all applicable Elecraft > rigs. [...] > > Thanks. > Bruce From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 16:43:27 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 06:43:27 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: References: <1460078285.16109.6.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <570817f0.0207430a.84dbf.ffffb2b2@mx.google.com> Don't see Elecraft open sourcing their utility anytime soon and I reckon the reason is fairly obvious. Of course I could be wrong but I don't think I am too far off the mark. Just thinkin' Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Erlend Grimseid" Sent: ?8/?04/?2016 5:11 PM To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? Add me to the list also. Both for the pi and x86 Linux. Or just open source it and it will sort it selves out. Only thing is. If it's compiled from source by some 3rd party Elecraft can most certainly not be held responsible for the software bricking your radio or what ever Elecraft product you are trying to update. The best thing would be for Elecraft to compile and quality control it their selves. 73 Erlend La4tta. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From jamesforsman at me.com Fri Apr 8 16:43:43 2016 From: jamesforsman at me.com (jrquark) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:43:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS K3/100 Updated In-Reply-To: <40CAECB3-7849-4D0F-9772-996D85C707D7@me.com> References: <40CAECB3-7849-4D0F-9772-996D85C707D7@me.com> Message-ID: <9731CEA5-BF37-4761-8D19-17B4DBCFCD8C@me.com> For Sale; A K3 with 100W amp and internal tuner. One 2.7 kHz filter and the MH2 mic and all manuals. Has the latest firmware, done last night. Serial - 7992 $1600. plus shipping Payment details, cashier?s check. Contact me off list. QRZ.COM information is correct. Thank you, Jim - K7BIE From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 16:48:59 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 06:48:59 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5708193c.878b420a.10ff8.ffffef2e@mx.google.com> Ken, For the very reasons you mention I cannot imagine for a moment that Eric would allow the release of their code. Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Ken G Kopp" Sent: ?9/?04/?2016 4:09 AM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" ; "KX3 at yahoogroups.com" Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities Wayne and Eric: PLEASE don't cave in to the requests of those on the reflectors who are asking you to disclose the "genetic makeup" of their radios by publishing the software that would enable anyone to modify how a given radio operates. I see this as no different than a breeder of a thoroughbred breed of dog opening the pen and letting all comers mate with the females. You would end up with a "contaminated" breed. I envision an increased workload at Elecraft in dealing with the customers who manage to "mess up" their radio's "brains" and want help in restoring them to the original state. Nothing but non-profit overhead. I would be wary ... read "never" ... of buying a used Elecraft product for fear that it's genetic makeup had been altered and really wasn't an Elecraft anymore. Perhaps I'm not understanding something ... 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP Full K-line, KX3, PX3, KXPA100, K2/100, W2's, etc. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Fri Apr 8 16:52:03 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:52:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <570819F3.6010005@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> On 4/8/2016 11:08 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > I see this as no different than a breeder of a thoroughbred breed of dog > opening > the pen and letting all comers mate with the females. You would end up > with a > "contaminated" breed. The utilities are not the same as the internal radio firmware. To take your horse breeding analogy, it's like the type of feeder the horses are eating from. They can be metal, or plastic, or rope netting, and it doesn't change how the horse runs. The radio internals should not be open source. The external utilities are a fair topic for discussion. 73 -- Lynn From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Fri Apr 8 16:55:41 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:55:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1460148941964-7616085.post@n2.nabble.com> Yes, my question was partly rhetorical - I don't recall seeing any requests for access to any of Elecraft's proprietary code, or the ability to modify it. So I was also a bit mystified by Ken's post. I think you make a good point but, like you said, Elecraft is primarily a hardware company, not a software company. A layered approach to something low-level like firmware that maintains the secrecy of what needs to be kept secret but at the same time presents an interface to customers that does everything needed isn't an easy or quick thing to design and implement. It's a non-trivial thing to do both from a technical and confidentiality standpoint. So I'm sympathetic, but it might not pass the cost/benefit threshold for Elecraft to do that. It's probably cheaper right now to simply maintain and distribute a limited set of binaries for this at the current time than to go to a major development project like a firmware SDK and all the language bindings that would be needed and so forth. I doubt it'll be possible to "rewrite the DNA" of an Elecraft rig anytime soon, if ever, so I wouldn't worry about that either. 73, LS W5QD Jessie Oberreuter-2 wrote > W5QD et. al., > > Ken is referring to the following message, which essentially > requests > a simple command-line firmware loader program. Note that this is NOT a > request for DNA level access to the radio's internals. > The communication protocols for most of the Elecraft radio functions > are described in the public documentation, enabling people to write their > own code for most functions. The firmware loading protocols, however, are > not. The only way to update the firmware (not generate our own!) is to > download and run platform specific GUI applications from Elecraft. For > most users running Windows or MacOS, this is fine: virtually all of these > users expect GUI software, have their computers directly connected to > their radios, and aren't aren't running on unusual computer hardware. > For those of us running Linux (or even more obscure operating > systems), a GUI application that only works on x86 machines that are > directly connected to the radio is awkward. My laptop and all of my shack > machines are ARM based, so when I need to upgrade my K3, I need to extract > it from all of its cables and haul it over to my x86 work machine. My > work machine is running 64bit linux, while the Elecraft tool is 32bit, so > I also need to install 32bit versions of several libraries to run it. > Similarly, all of my radio gear at home is actually hooked to a > serial-to-ethernet device, which is great for all of the software I use, > but not fine for K3Util, which expects to talk specifically to a directly > connected hardware serial port. > There are several approaches to solving this problem. The first is > to ask Elecraft to provide more versions of their software: can I get an > x86_64 build? ARM7 please! Actually, I use my Android for everything ... > can I get an Android app? Fortunately, we recognize that Elecraft is a > /radio/ company, /not/ a consumer software company, and we don't want to > ask them to spend time supporting dozens of firmware loaders. Ideally, we > would like to see or, with access to the protocol documentation, develop > an open-source library for updating the firmware. Then we can build our > own firmware loaders for whatever platforms we choose. > Recognizing that this may be asking for proprietary and/or licensed > information, Bruce has suggested a middle ground -- offer a simple "glue" > interface (a command line firmware loading tool) that would be much > simpler for Elecraft to build for lots of different platforms and would be > more in line with the linux philosophy of starting with light weight > command line tools, and adding far more difficult to develop and maintain > GUIs on top as desired. > > Perhaps a simpler option would be to offer a library or command line > tool in a portable format that still obscures the proprietary protocol > implementation. Java is a good candidate for this, as there are Java VMs > for practically every platform out there. > > -kb7psg > > > Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 17:52:34 > From: Bruce Nourish < > w0mbt@ > > > To: Elecraft Reflector < > elecraft at .qth > > > Subject: [Elecraft] Feature request: Command line firmware updater > > Hi folks, > > As the subject suggests, I'd like to put in a feature request, for a > simple, command line firmware updater tool, for all applicable Elecraft > rigs. To update the firmware on my KX3 and PX3, I need to download and set > up two separate programs, most of whose functionality I won't ever need. > > Such a tool would be easy for Elecraft to write and maintain, and would be > easy to make work on different platforms, which brings me to the next part > of this feature request. I'd like to be able to run this tool both on my > Intel Linux machines, and my Raspberry Pi, which is hooked up to my KX3 > and PX3 whenever my KX3 is home. Cross-compiling such a simple tool should > also be pretty easy. > > I'm sure there are other people who're in similar situations, and would > appreciate something to address these use cases. Firmware updates are one > of the few things where you can't roll-your-own. > > Thanks. > > Bruce > > > > On Fri, 8 Apr 2016, Ken G Kopp wrote: > >> Wayne and Eric: >> >> PLEASE don't cave in to the requests of those on the reflectors who are >> asking you to disclose the "genetic makeup" of their radios by >> publishing the software that would enable anyone to modify how a given >> radio operates. >> >> I see this as no different than a breeder of a thoroughbred breed of dog >> opening the pen and letting all comers mate with the females. You would >> end up with a "contaminated" breed. >> >> I envision an increased workload at Elecraft in dealing with the >> customers who manage to "mess up" their radio's "brains" and want help >> in restoring them to the original state. Nothing but non-profit >> overhead. >> >> I would be wary ... read "never" ... of buying a used Elecraft product >> for fear that it's genetic makeup had been altered and really wasn't an >> Elecraft anymore. >> >> Perhaps I'm not understanding something ... >> >> 73! >> >> Ken Kopp - K0PP >> Full K-line, KX3, PX3, KXPA100, K2/100, W2's, etc. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to > joberreu-elecraft@ >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Utilities-tp7616074p7616085.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kc1eoq at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 16:57:01 2016 From: kc1eoq at gmail.com (Tim Henrion) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:57:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E09F2ED-4E6E-419F-BE18-A493356804C1@gmail.com> People building their own firmware loaders is a really bad idea if one possible outcomes is brick?d radios. Consider the potential support costs of these types of things. Java is not the answer. It is too dependent on the quality/buginess of VMs on less mainstream platforms. I?m a Mac guy and I can?t tell you how many pieces of embedded hardware I own whose updaters only run on Windows. There?s a real easy solution. Get a cheap Windows machine, run the software under VMware or Wine or whatever you need to get the job done. The LAST thing I?d want to see is Elecraft wasting valuable development time on stuff other than designing/building radios. Multiplatform software, unless its the primary business you?re in, is a sinkhole waiting to happen from a development and especially support perspective. Tim, KC1EOQ > On Apr 8, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Jessie Oberreuter wrote: > > > W5QD et. al., > > Ken is referring to the following message, which essentially requests a simple command-line firmware loader program. Note that this is NOT a request for DNA level access to the radio's internals. > The communication protocols for most of the Elecraft radio functions are described in the public documentation, enabling people to write their own code for most functions. The firmware loading protocols, however, are not. The only way to update the firmware (not generate our own!) is to download and run platform specific GUI applications from Elecraft. For most users running Windows or MacOS, this is fine: virtually all of these users expect GUI software, have their computers directly connected to their radios, and aren't aren't running on unusual computer hardware. > For those of us running Linux (or even more obscure operating systems), a GUI application that only works on x86 machines that are directly connected to the radio is awkward. My laptop and all of my shack machines are ARM based, so when I need to upgrade my K3, I need to extract it from all of its cables and haul it over to my x86 work machine. My work machine is running 64bit linux, while the Elecraft tool is 32bit, so I also need to install 32bit versions of several libraries to run it. Similarly, all of my radio gear at home is actually hooked to a serial-to-ethernet device, which is great for all of the software I use, but not fine for K3Util, which expects to talk specifically to a directly connected hardware serial port. > There are several approaches to solving this problem. The first is to ask Elecraft to provide more versions of their software: can I get an x86_64 build? ARM7 please! Actually, I use my Android for everything ... can I get an Android app? Fortunately, we recognize that Elecraft is a /radio/ company, /not/ a consumer software company, and we don't want to ask them to spend time supporting dozens of firmware loaders. Ideally, we would like to see or, with access to the protocol documentation, develop an open-source library for updating the firmware. Then we can build our own firmware loaders for whatever platforms we choose. > Recognizing that this may be asking for proprietary and/or licensed information, Bruce has suggested a middle ground -- offer a simple "glue" interface (a command line firmware loading tool) that would be much simpler for Elecraft to build for lots of different platforms and would be more in line with the linux philosophy of starting with light weight command line tools, and adding far more difficult to develop and maintain GUIs on top as desired. > > Perhaps a simpler option would be to offer a library or command line tool in a portable format that still obscures the proprietary protocol implementation. Java is a good candidate for this, as there are Java VMs for practically every platform out there. > > -kb7psg > > > Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 17:52:34 > From: Bruce Nourish > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Feature request: Command line firmware updater > > Hi folks, > > As the subject suggests, I'd like to put in a feature request, for a simple, command line firmware updater tool, for all applicable Elecraft rigs. To update the firmware on my KX3 and PX3, I need to download and set up two separate programs, most of whose functionality I won't ever need. > > Such a tool would be easy for Elecraft to write and maintain, and would be easy to make work on different platforms, which brings me to the next part of this feature request. I'd like to be able to run this tool both on my Intel Linux machines, and my Raspberry Pi, which is hooked up to my KX3 and PX3 whenever my KX3 is home. Cross-compiling such a simple tool should also be pretty easy. > > I'm sure there are other people who're in similar situations, and would appreciate something to address these use cases. Firmware updates are one of the few things where you can't roll-your-own. > > Thanks. > > Bruce > > > > On Fri, 8 Apr 2016, Ken G Kopp wrote: > >> Wayne and Eric: >> >> PLEASE don't cave in to the requests of those on the reflectors who are asking you to disclose the "genetic makeup" of their radios by publishing the software that would enable anyone to modify how a given radio operates. >> >> I see this as no different than a breeder of a thoroughbred breed of dog opening the pen and letting all comers mate with the females. You would end up with a "contaminated" breed. >> >> I envision an increased workload at Elecraft in dealing with the customers who manage to "mess up" their radio's "brains" and want help in restoring them to the original state. Nothing but non-profit overhead. >> >> I would be wary ... read "never" ... of buying a used Elecraft product for fear that it's genetic makeup had been altered and really wasn't an Elecraft anymore. >> >> Perhaps I'm not understanding something ... >> >> 73! >> >> Ken Kopp - K0PP >> Full K-line, KX3, PX3, KXPA100, K2/100, W2's, etc. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc1eoq at gmail.com From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 16:59:20 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 06:59:20 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: <570819F3.6010005@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <570819F3.6010005@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <57081ba8.8443620a.7ebf0.ffffed8f@mx.google.com> And the rub for me is, IF Elecraft did develop what is being asked for, what cost would they place on it, what ongoing costs are involved and who pays? If this would add to their overhead, there will need to be a cost recovery mechanism and would this be passed on by way of a hardware price increase? I don't want to see my future purchases increase in cost to cover "features" I am not likely to use in my lifetime. Call me selfish if you like but I don't have a bottomless pit of money to spend on a hobby. Just sayin.... Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" Sent: ?9/?04/?2016 6:53 AM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities On 4/8/2016 11:08 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > I see this as no different than a breeder of a thoroughbred breed of dog > opening > the pen and letting all comers mate with the females. You would end up > with a > "contaminated" breed. The utilities are not the same as the internal radio firmware. To take your horse breeding analogy, it's like the type of feeder the horses are eating from. They can be metal, or plastic, or rope netting, and it doesn't change how the horse runs. The radio internals should not be open source. The external utilities are a fair topic for discussion. 73 -- Lynn ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From k2mk at comcast.net Fri Apr 8 17:22:22 2016 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 14:22:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FS receive antenna splitter for K3 with Sub RX Message-ID: <1460150542020-7616088.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, If you have a separate receive only antenna for your K3 or K3S and if you have a Sub RX you might want to split the antenna signal between the AUX RF port and the RX ANT IN port. If you only have your antenna connected to the AUX RF port you will not be able to use it for your Main RX. There are other ways to accomplish this but this is simple and clean. There is a 3db insertion loss with this device on each leg. It is the DX Engineering RSC-2 splitter which you can view at: http://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-rsc-2 If you have technical questions please look at the manual on the DX Engineering website. It works great. It can also be used to combine two separate receive antennas. DX Engineering sells it at the lofty price of $71.95 plus shipping. I am selling it for $40 and I will include priority mail to the the contiguous 48 states. I don't want to sell it internationally. Please contact me off list at: k2mk at comcast dot net I'm not checking the reflector daily so please don't post questions or offers here. 73, Mike K2MK -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FS-receive-antenna-splitter-for-K3-with-Sub-RX-tp7616088.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From brendon at whateley.com Fri Apr 8 17:37:08 2016 From: brendon at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 14:37:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) [FLDIGI vs P3] In-Reply-To: <088b01d191bb$f9f80d30$ede82790$@verizon.net> References: <088b01d191bb$f9f80d30$ede82790$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Presumably you can do similar tuning tricks in modes other than SSB? I'm interested in this because I'm saving up for the PX3 to go with my KX3 and want it precisely so that I can see the other interesting signals on the band. Thanks, - Brendon KK6AYI On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Bob Novas wrote: > Dick - The P3 and Fldigi are really looking at very different signals and > have very different uses although there is some overlap, and that's what > maybe gets confusing. The P3 is a "fish finder" for a big hunk of a band - > the P3 looks at the K3's IF and can represent as much as 200kHz of it (but, > it can also represent a small portion of it, which is where it starts > looking like fldigi). Nevertheless, the P3 allows you to do things you > cannot do with fldigi. You can use the P3 to tune the radio to an SSB > signal visually - and by that I mean not only can you see the signal, but > also you can set the radio's receive frequency to be appropriate to receive > the signal without spinning the dial. You can also use the P3 to look at a > small span, and to decode RTTY -this is where it is like fldigi. But, in > my opinion, fldigi is a lot better at doing this than the P3, and on the > other hand, fldigi cannot do what the P3 can with respect to tuning or > visualizing band conditions. Bob W > 3DK > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > > Richard W Hemingway > > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 12:29 PM > > To: Elecraft Reflector > > Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) > > > > Hi,I am rather new to this forum. I have recently bought a K3S and am > thinking > > of buying both the P3 and the P3VGA. Presently, I am using Fldigi on my > > computer and mostly operatewith PSK and sometimes some CW. If I buy > these > > am I being redundant or does it make sense to buy them? I am hoping that > > some of the members of this forum are using Fldigi and P3, and can > answer the > > query. Thanks, Dick, N5XRD > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > > delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brendon at whateley.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Apr 8 18:32:27 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:32:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: <2E09F2ED-4E6E-419F-BE18-A493356804C1@gmail.com> References: <2E09F2ED-4E6E-419F-BE18-A493356804C1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5708317B.7020004@embarqmail.com> To ask Elecraft to provide Utilities for any and all small operating systems is unreasonable IMHO. The mainstream OS of Windows, Mac and Linux *are* supported, but recently there have been a number of OS variants that have appeared on the horizon (and there are likely to be more to come) and that includes the Rasberry Pi, and several other 'computers' that have recently appeared on the hobbyist market. Just because the most recent device can do RS-232 (or USB) communications does not mean it should be individually supported by hardware manufacturers. It would be more productive to encourage those writing software for those devices to request that they emulate Windows, or Mac, or Linux in all aspects so one could use the applications written for those mainstream OS versions to run without problems on whichever platform those "hobby" devices may be using. If the Rasberry Pi OS becomes stable over time, and is in use for a significant percentage of the Elecraft community, then it may eventually be supported on its own, but for the time being, as I understand the Raspberry Pi, its OS is a version of Linux, but not everything works like the main Linux platform -- so until you can convince the Raspberry Pi developers to create a version of its OS that is compatible in all respects to Linux, you will not have success. The market penetration for Raspberry Pi is just not great enough at this time for manufacturers to create software that will run on it. Much to the dismay of those who have Raspberry Pi running and controlling their ham stations. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/8/2016 4:57 PM, Tim Henrion wrote: > People building their own firmware loaders is a really bad idea if one possible outcomes is brick?d radios. Consider the potential support costs of these types of things. Java is not the answer. It is too dependent on the quality/buginess of VMs on less mainstream platforms. > > I?m a Mac guy and I can?t tell you how many pieces of embedded hardware I own whose updaters only run on Windows. There?s a real easy solution. Get a cheap Windows machine, run the software under VMware or Wine or whatever you need to get the job done. The LAST thing I?d want to see is Elecraft wasting valuable development time on stuff other than designing/building radios. Multiplatform software, unless its the primary business you?re in, is a sinkhole waiting to happen from a development and especially support perspective. > > From eric at elecraft.com Fri Apr 8 18:33:15 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 15:33:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: <2E09F2ED-4E6E-419F-BE18-A493356804C1@gmail.com> References: <2E09F2ED-4E6E-419F-BE18-A493356804C1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <570831AB.2010709@elecraft.com> Agreed. Let's end the thread for now. (feel free to email with any questions.) I apologize, but open sourcing the utility would create a number of problems and significant extra support expense that we can not afford. Improper use of that proprietary interface can certainly brick the radio, and in some cases actually damage the hardware. That's something that would not be a warranty repair.. We are not staffed to develop and support utilities for a wider range of hardware and operating systems right now. We're already support multiple versions of Windows, Mac OSX, and some versions of Linux. That's a lot more than most radio companies. Continually expanding beyond that also becomes exponentially expensive in a specialized market the size of this one. That's likely the max we can do in the near term as we're primarily focused on designing new cool products for everyone. I'm not ruling out other OS utilities, but its likely nothing will appear near term as we have our hands full on other projects. Feel free to email me directly with any questions. 73, Eric moderator and COO /elecraft.com/ Eric /elecraft.com/ On 4/8/2016 1:57 PM, Tim Henrion wrote: > People building their own firmware loaders is a really bad idea if one possible outcomes is brick?d radios. Consider the potential support costs of these types of things. Java is not the answer. It is too dependent on the quality/buginess of VMs on less mainstream platforms. > > I?m a Mac guy and I can?t tell you how many pieces of embedded hardware I own whose updaters only run on Windows. There?s a real easy solution. Get a cheap Windows machine, run the software under VMware or Wine or whatever you need to get the job done. The LAST thing I?d want to see is Elecraft wasting valuable development time on stuff other than designing/building radios. Multiplatform software, unless its the primary business you?re in, is a sinkhole waiting to happen from a development and especially support perspective. > > Tim, KC1EOQ > >> On Apr 8, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Jessie Oberreuter wrote: >> >> >> W5QD et. al., >> >> Ken is referring to the following message, which essentially requests a simple command-line firmware loader program. Note that this is NOT a request for DNA level access to the radio's internals. >> The communication protocols for most of the Elecraft radio functions are described in the public documentation, enabling people to write their own code for most functions. The firmware loading protocols, however, are not. The only way to update the firmware (not generate our own!) is to download and run platform specific GUI applications from Elecraft. For most users running Windows or MacOS, this is fine: virtually all of these users expect GUI software, have their computers directly connected to their radios, and aren't aren't running on unusual computer hardware. >> For those of us running Linux (or even more obscure operating systems), a GUI application that only works on x86 machines that are directly connected to the radio is awkward. My laptop and all of my shack machines are ARM based, so when I need to upgrade my K3, I need to extract it from all of its cables and haul it over to my x86 work machine. My work machine is running 64bit linux, while the Elecraft tool is 32bit, so I also need to install 32bit versions of several libraries to run it. Similarly, all of my radio gear at home is actually hooked to a serial-to-ethernet device, which is great for all of the software I use, but not fine for K3Util, which expects to talk specifically to a directly connected hardware serial port. >> There are several approaches to solving this problem. The first is to ask Elecraft to provide more versions of their software: can I get an x86_64 build? ARM7 please! Actually, I use my Android for everything ... can I get an Android app? Fortunately, we recognize that Elecraft is a /radio/ company, /not/ a consumer software company, and we don't want to ask them to spend time supporting dozens of firmware loaders. Ideally, we would like to see or, with access to the protocol documentation, develop an open-source library for updating the firmware. Then we can build our own firmware loaders for whatever platforms we choose. >> Recognizing that this may be asking for proprietary and/or licensed information, Bruce has suggested a middle ground -- offer a simple "glue" interface (a command line firmware loading tool) that would be much simpler for Elecraft to build for lots of different platforms and would be more in line with the linux philosophy of starting with light weight command line tools, and adding far more difficult to develop and maintain GUIs on top as desired. >> >> Perhaps a simpler option would be to offer a library or command line tool in a portable format that still obscures the proprietary protocol implementation. Java is a good candidate for this, as there are Java VMs for practically every platform out there. >> >> -kb7psg >> >> >> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 17:52:34 >> From: Bruce Nourish >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: [Elecraft] Feature request: Command line firmware updater >> >> Hi folks, >> >> As the subject suggests, I'd like to put in a feature request, for a simple, command line firmware updater tool, for all applicable Elecraft rigs. To update the firmware on my KX3 and PX3, I need to download and set up two separate programs, most of whose functionality I won't ever need. >> >> Such a tool would be easy for Elecraft to write and maintain, and would be easy to make work on different platforms, which brings me to the next part of this feature request. I'd like to be able to run this tool both on my Intel Linux machines, and my Raspberry Pi, which is hooked up to my KX3 and PX3 whenever my KX3 is home. Cross-compiling such a simple tool should also be pretty easy. >> >> I'm sure there are other people who're in similar situations, and would appreciate something to address these use cases. Firmware updates are one of the few things where you can't roll-your-own. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> >>> Wayne and Eric: >>> >>> PLEASE don't cave in to the requests of those on the reflectors who are asking you to disclose the "genetic makeup" of their radios by publishing the software that would enable anyone to modify how a given radio operates. >>> >>> I see this as no different than a breeder of a thoroughbred breed of dog opening the pen and letting all comers mate with the females. You would end up with a "contaminated" breed. >>> >>> I envision an increased workload at Elecraft in dealing with the customers who manage to "mess up" their radio's "brains" and want help in restoring them to the original state. Nothing but non-profit overhead. >>> >>> I would be wary ... read "never" ... of buying a used Elecraft product for fear that it's genetic makeup had been altered and really wasn't an Elecraft anymore. >>> >>> Perhaps I'm not understanding something ... >>> >>> 73! >>> >>> Ken Kopp - K0PP >>> Full K-line, KX3, PX3, KXPA100, K2/100, W2's, etc. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kc1eoq at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Apr 8 18:44:11 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 15:44:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel switches Message-ID: <5708343B.3030508@foothill.net> My K3, S/N 642, has been slowly developing "front panel dementia" [as am I as I accumulate birthdays]. A number of the switches are becoming intermittent, and often, the first push of one causes a totally unrelated action [e.g. tapping BAND UP turns on NR]. It doesn't happen with all of them and it seems like the ones I use the most are pretty stable. I find that a really positive actuation, as in hard, often makes it work correctly. My K3 is getting somewhat long in the tooth as the S/N would indicate, but I was under the impression that the front panel switches were rated at multi-millions of operations, and I'm sure I haven't come remotely close to exceeding that. My truck is 13 years old and is developing similar symptoms [Tach says the engine is doing 6,000 RPM sitting in the driveway :-)] Curious: 1. Anybody else experience this? 2. If so, what did you do? 3. How do I tell if it's time to send it into the Big E? 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Apr 8 18:52:36 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:52:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) [FLDIGI vs P3] In-Reply-To: References: <088b01d191bb$f9f80d30$ede82790$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <57083634.6060908@embarqmail.com> Brandon, The PX3 (or P3) give a spectrum analysis of the portion of the band that is included in the Span (up to 200 kHz) as well as a waterfall display. Signals within that band can be identified as SSB, CW, PSK, RTTY and many other modes on the spectrum display. The spectrum display is a 'real time' display of signals currently on the band. The waterfall shows signals over time which shows signals that have been present in the past. That is helpful for identifying weak signals. With FlDigi (or other soundcard digital displays), you are looking at a portion of the band that is as great as the filter in use in the receiver (usually up to 2.7 to 3kHz wide - the bandwidth of the filters being used in the transceiver). The modes that can be decoded depend on the software application (FlDigi has many). There is no spectrum display, you have only the waterfall. Click on the signal of interest in the waterfall and it will be decoded as long as you have selected the proper digital mode for that signal. With the K3, when operating soundcard digital modes, you should be set to DATA A rather than SSB (if decoding RTTY, set to AFSK A). Data modes on the K3 (and KX3) automatically set the compression to zero and the TX EQ to flat even though you may have different settings for SSB. If compression or TX IQ is used for digital modes, distortion will result. Yes, you can adjust those settings in SSB mode, but why bother when the K3/KX3 will do that automatically for you by using DATA modes. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/8/2016 5:37 PM, Brendon Whateley wrote: > Presumably you can do similar tuning tricks in modes other than SSB? > > I'm interested in this because I'm saving up for the PX3 to go with my KX3 > and want it precisely so that I can see the other interesting signals on > the band. > > Thanks, > - Brendon > KK6AYI > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Bob Novas wrote: > >> Dick - The P3 and Fldigi are really looking at very different signals and >> have very different uses although there is some overlap, and that's what >> maybe gets confusing. The P3 is a "fish finder" for a big hunk of a band - >> the P3 looks at the K3's IF and can represent as much as 200kHz of it (but, >> it can also represent a small portion of it, which is where it starts >> looking like fldigi). Nevertheless, the P3 allows you to do things you >> cannot do with fldigi. You can use the P3 to tune the radio to an SSB >> signal visually - and by that I mean not only can you see the signal, but >> also you can set the radio's receive frequency to be appropriate to receive >> the signal without spinning the dial. You can also use the P3 to look at a >> small span, and to decode RTTY -this is where it is like fldigi. But, in >> my opinion, fldigi is a lot better at doing this than the P3, and on the >> other hand, fldigi cannot do what the P3 can with respect to tuning or >> visualizing band conditions. Bob W >> 3DK >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >>> Richard W Hemingway >>> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 12:29 PM >>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>> Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) >>> >>> Hi,I am rather new to this forum. I have recently bought a K3S and am >> thinking >>> of buying both the P3 and the P3VGA. Presently, I am using Fldigi on my >>> computer and mostly operatewith PSK and sometimes some CW. If I buy >> these >>> am I being redundant or does it make sense to buy them? I am hoping that >>> some of the members of this forum are using Fldigi and P3, and can >> answer the >>> query. Thanks, Dick, N5XRD >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message >>> delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to brendon at whateley.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From dave at nk7z.net Fri Apr 8 19:00:09 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 16:00:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: <570831AB.2010709@elecraft.com> References: <2E09F2ED-4E6E-419F-BE18-A493356804C1@gmail.com> <570831AB.2010709@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1460156409.6116.40.camel@nk7z.net> On Fri, 2016-04-08 at 15:33 -0700, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >?Improper use of that proprietary interface can certainly brick the >?radio, and in some cases actually damage the hardware. >?That's?something that would not be a warranty repair.. You might be overlooking a profit center here... ?. ? Sorry I had too... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info From kc1eoq at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 19:01:19 2016 From: kc1eoq at gmail.com (Tim Henrion) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:01:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VFO B skipping In-Reply-To: <57065C77.8070809@embarqmail.com> References: <1460004743302-7616009.post@n2.nabble.com> <57065C77.8070809@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <52F1FB9A-3527-452F-894C-2F4846347F20@gmail.com> Hi Don, Do you have a manufacturer/part number for the encoders used in the KX3? That information doesn?t appear to be in the schematics. Based on personal preference, I?d like to replace at least some of the encoders in my unit with alternatives that that have detents as well as less mechanical play in the shaft. Thanks, Tim, KC1EOQ > On Apr 7, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > It is most likely that the encoder must be replaced to correct that behavior. > > The VFO B encoder is a thru-hole part and can be replaced if you have good de-soldering tools and work very carefully so you do not damage anything else around it or damage the board or the SMD parts that are in close proximity to the encoder solder pads. > Reverse the steps in the assembly manual to tell you how to get to the encoder and front panel board. Make careful note of the screw size and length in each place you remove a screw. > > If doing that gives you pause, then let the techs at Elecraft handle it for you - it will be worth the price. Contact support to initiate the RSA process. > If you just want to purchase the encoder and do it yourself, you can contact parts at elecraft.com directly. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 4/7/2016 12:52 AM, kc1fdg wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Just received a used KX3 today and found that VFO B is skipping. Lets say >> the top number is rotation out of 9 and bottom number is actual sensed >> position, it kinda does this> >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc1eoq at gmail.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Apr 8 19:08:16 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:08:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: <1460156409.6116.40.camel@nk7z.net> References: <2E09F2ED-4E6E-419F-BE18-A493356804C1@gmail.com> <570831AB.2010709@elecraft.com> <1460156409.6116.40.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <570839E0.7010702@embarqmail.com> Dave, What is the "profit center"? Elecraft provides the firmware at no cost, and the Utilities to load that firmware at no cost to the customer - that is an expense, not a profit. Additional support is a loss to Elecraft because of the development dollars. The Raspberry Pi (and its variants) element is small compared to supporting the mainstream OS Utility applications. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/8/2016 7:00 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > On Fri, 2016-04-08 at 15:33 -0700, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > wrote: >> Improper use of that proprietary interface can certainly brick the >> radio, and in some cases actually damage the hardware. >> That's something that would not be a warranty repair.. > You might be overlooking a profit center here... . > > Sorry I had too... > From prh at aol.com Fri Apr 8 19:14:12 2016 From: prh at aol.com (Paul Horenstein K2PH) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:14:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <153f8278550-79da-13394@webstg-m01.mail.aol.com> Me as well, have a RPi3 on order Paul K2PH -----Original Message----- From: John K7JLT To: Mailman Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2016 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry Pi? Add me to this lengthening list of RPi users that would like a download of the utilities for my Pi. John K7JLT ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to prh at aol.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Apr 8 19:17:06 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:17:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VFO B skipping In-Reply-To: <52F1FB9A-3527-452F-894C-2F4846347F20@gmail.com> References: <1460004743302-7616009.post@n2.nabble.com> <57065C77.8070809@embarqmail.com> <52F1FB9A-3527-452F-894C-2F4846347F20@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57083BF2.3080906@embarqmail.com> Tim, Sorry, but I do not have that information. You can get the replacements from Elecraft parts, but as far as alternatives (detented encoders), I have no idea. Since the controls are encoders rather than potentiometers, I think using something detented would not be the best thing. The detent is mechanical and is not likely to line up with the firmware decoding of the encoder rotation. Of course, I am thinking of a 'center detent', but if you are thinking of those awful encoders that have a detent at each movement of the knob, count me out, those are terrible to use IMHO. You can get stock replacements for the encoders from Elecraft. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/8/2016 7:01 PM, Tim Henrion wrote: > Hi Don, > Do you have a manufacturer/part number for the encoders used in the KX3? That information doesn?t appear to be in the schematics. Based on personal preference, I?d like to replace at least some of the encoders in my unit with alternatives that that have detents as well as less mechanical play in the shaft. > > From ron at cobi.biz Fri Apr 8 19:26:57 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:26:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel switches In-Reply-To: <5708343B.3030508@foothill.net> References: <5708343B.3030508@foothill.net> Message-ID: <000301d191ee$256d5060$7047f120$@biz> I've not experienced that with my K3 which goes back to 2008 (S/N 00010), but I would suspect corrosion on contacts. You might remove the front panel assembly from the K3 and then plug it in again, and possibly do the same for the DSP board. I've seen others suggest exercising the troubled switches many times to good effect. One reason I've not experienced it on ol' number 10 is that every time there a question about the assembly procedure or a kit change it comes apart to check the changes. The contacts get exercised a lot. I don't recall if you built your K3 from a kit, Fred, but if not download the KRX3 manual from the Elecraft web site. It has detailed instructions for R/R the front panel assembly as part of the sub receiver installation. After splitting logs for an hour this afternoon with trusty axe, I feel like my personal "tach" is on the peg just sitting here (puff, puff, puff). I might be experiencing some "corrosion" myself and in need of more exercise. Good hunting and 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 3:44 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel switches My K3, S/N 642, has been slowly developing "front panel dementia" [as am I as I accumulate birthdays]. A number of the switches are becoming intermittent, and often, the first push of one causes a totally unrelated action [e.g. tapping BAND UP turns on NR]. It doesn't happen with all of them and it seems like the ones I use the most are pretty stable. I find that a really positive actuation, as in hard, often makes it work correctly. My K3 is getting somewhat long in the tooth as the S/N would indicate, but I was under the impression that the front panel switches were rated at multi-millions of operations, and I'm sure I haven't come remotely close to exceeding that. My truck is 13 years old and is developing similar symptoms [Tach says the engine is doing 6,000 RPM sitting in the driveway :-)] Curious: 1. Anybody else experience this? 2. If so, what did you do? 3. How do I tell if it's time to send it into the Big E? 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From brendon at whateley.com Fri Apr 8 19:45:07 2016 From: brendon at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:45:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry In-Reply-To: <5707EE2D.7020502@socal.rr.com> References: <01ac01d191b9$85083560$8f18a020$@net> <5707EE2D.7020502@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Phil, With all due respect, your use case is clearly different from those of us who are so enthusiastic. I've not had a Windows PC since XP was a new thing, and I have no interest in going back to Windows. Our house is all MacBook Pro and various Linux machines, including a growing number of RPi. So the fact that you are happy with running Windows on a Mac is unrelated to the fact that I want to dedicate a RPi to the shack duties and have another in my Go Box so that I can literally grab my KX3 and hit the road without messing with computer stuff. That way the shack RPi can be permanently attached to its monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. And the Go Box can be configured for a small bluetooth keyboard/mouse device I have. The RPi has the needed power for this use, and at $35 I can have several for different locations as needed -- something I am not prepared to do with MacBooks. What this thread is showing is that there is a growing number of people who feel that a RPi is a perfect solution for this use case, and if not that, then some other Linux machine. We are hoping that Elecraft will open source the utilities so that folks such as myself can help make this a reality. Commenting on a thread to say "this doesn't apply to me, so I don't see why anybody else would care" is a little self centered and leads to an unfortunate tone which is so common in HAM communities -- it discourages new hams such as myself from getting involved, or asking questions. Regards, - Brendon KK6AYI On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Regarding the RPi, I like experimenting with it but as a shack computer > the idea of a separate computer unit plus monitor plus keyboard seems a bit > of a kluge. > > Just now my shack computer is an 11" 2010 MacBook Air with 250GB SSD. It > runs both Windows 10 and OS X 10.11.4, so I can use the many ham apps (such > as EZNEC) unique to Windows and not requiring too much computing power. A > real plus is that it can sit in front of my K3 or KX3 and I can still see > the rig's front panel over the top of the computer's monitor -- and the > monitor is plenty large enough for the digital modes, and the keyboard is > full size. > > My most compact RPi set up now is an RP2 with a small keyboard with > trackpad and a 7" HDMI monitor. Due to the separate boxes that takes up > more space than the 11" MacBook Air, while having a smaller-than-normal > keyboard and a screen which is a challenge to use. > > So I just don't get all the enthusiasm for using an RPi (or BBB) as the > shack computer to support the Elecraft utilities, etc. No problem with > Linux (which I can run on the MBAir, and do run on my RPi2), just with the > physical arrangement. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > > On 4/8/16 10:10 AM, Roger Klein wrote: > >> Add me as well for running on the Pi, this would be useful to have. >> >> >> Roger N5RWK >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brendon at whateley.com > From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Apr 8 20:02:17 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 00:02:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Cedar Stand for KX3 and PX3 Message-ID: Joel - Keep in mind the fact that the required width would include spacing for the various mini- plugs that connect the PX3, the KX3, the 12 VDC, the key (if you use one other than the built-in) and the headset. Add to that the fact that the plugs need additional space between the units to be removed from the jacks, and maybe a bit more to get your fingers on them. Don?t ask me at what cost I became aware of these details . . . or what happens after passing 70. Ted, KN1CBR >> >> I have in my mind exactly what I want to do by cutting the 2x4 scraps >>into 1/2? thick strips and joining them into a plank with my biscuit >>joiner. I would like to build a stand that will hold both the KX3 and >>the PX3 (don?t have one yet but I may buy one) and I need to confirm the >>total width is 13 1/2?. I think I added up 13.3? but my measuring stick >>does 32nds not 10ths. :) If it turns out okay, I?ll provide pictures. >> >> Is this what happens when you approach 50? You start waning anecdotally? >> >> Thanks for the bandwidth. >> >> 73, >> Joel - W4JBB From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Apr 8 20:10:30 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 17:10:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry In-Reply-To: References: <01ac01d191b9$85083560$8f18a020$@net> <5707EE2D.7020502@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <57084876.8040707@socal.rr.com> On 4/8/16 4:45 PM, Brendon Whateley wrote: > Phil, > > With all due respect, your use case is clearly different from those of us > who are so enthusiastic. I've not had a Windows PC since XP was a new > thing, and I have no interest in going back to Windows. Our house is all > MacBook Pro and various Linux machines, including a growing number of RPi. > So the fact that you are happy with running Windows on a Mac is unrelated > to the fact that I want to dedicate a RPi to the shack duties and have > another in my Go Box so that I can literally grab my KX3 and hit the road > without messing with computer stuff. That way the shack RPi can be > permanently attached to its monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. And the Go Box > can be configured for a small bluetooth keyboard/mouse device I have. > > The RPi has the needed power for this use, and at $35 I can have several > for different locations as needed -- something I am not prepared to do with > MacBooks. > > What this thread is showing is that there is a growing number of people who > feel that a RPi is a perfect solution for this use case, and if not that, > then some other Linux machine. We are hoping that Elecraft will open source > the utilities so that folks such as myself can help make this a reality. I suspect open sourcing the utilities would be a mistake. > > Commenting on a thread to say "this doesn't apply to me, so I don't see why > anybody else would care" is a little self centered and leads to an > unfortunate tone which is so common in HAM communities -- it discourages > new hams such as myself from getting involved, or asking questions. > > Regards, > - Brendon > KK6AYI Eric closed this thread, but I must reply since you put words in quotation marks which I never wrote ("this doesn't apply to me, so I don't see why anybody else would care") -- very disingenuous and misleading of you, and amazing that you would do so. What I did say was "as a shack computer the idea of a separate computer unit plus monitor plus keyboard seems a bit of a kluge." and nothing you said relates to that statement. I also said: "So I just don't get all the enthusiasm for using an RPi (or BBB) as the shack computer to support the Elecraft utilities, etc. No problem with Linux (which I can run on the MBAir, and do run on my RPi2), just with the physical arrangement." and part of your reply did address that. But inventing quotations which I did not say: Truly Troubling. Phil W7OX > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > >> Regarding the RPi, I like experimenting with it but as a shack computer >> the idea of a separate computer unit plus monitor plus keyboard seems a bit >> of a kluge. >> >> Just now my shack computer is an 11" 2010 MacBook Air with 250GB SSD. It >> runs both Windows 10 and OS X 10.11.4, so I can use the many ham apps (such >> as EZNEC) unique to Windows and not requiring too much computing power. A >> real plus is that it can sit in front of my K3 or KX3 and I can still see >> the rig's front panel over the top of the computer's monitor -- and the >> monitor is plenty large enough for the digital modes, and the keyboard is >> full size. >> >> My most compact RPi set up now is an RP2 with a small keyboard with >> trackpad and a 7" HDMI monitor. Due to the separate boxes that takes up >> more space than the 11" MacBook Air, while having a smaller-than-normal >> keyboard and a screen which is a challenge to use. >> >> So I just don't get all the enthusiasm for using an RPi (or BBB) as the >> shack computer to support the Elecraft utilities, etc. No problem with >> Linux (which I can run on the MBAir, and do run on my RPi2), just with the >> physical arrangement. >> >> 73, Phil W7OX >> >> >> On 4/8/16 10:10 AM, Roger Klein wrote: >> >>> Add me as well for running on the Pi, this would be useful to have. >>> >>> >>> Roger N5RWK From alorona at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 8 20:04:40 2016 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 00:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Setting RF gain & AGC correctly In-Reply-To: <56B4D9E4.6040606@blomand.net> References: <56B4D9E4.6040606@blomand.net> Message-ID: <864487671.417632.1460160280841.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Again and again, I have asked (privately) those reporting 'bad K3 audio' to furnish me with settings, measurements, recordings -- anything-- but I haven't ever received anything with which I could diagnose the problem. Bad. Noisy. Fatiguing. These adjectives have been used continually to describe K3 audio. I believe you, I just don't know exactly what you're hearing. In the meantime, the analysis and recommendations that Ian, GM3SEK made here on 23 March are excellent and what I would consider required reading for anyone plagued with 'bad audio'. I must second all that he said. In conjunction with Ian's tips, if you're not in the habit of using Bob, K4TAX's technique [see below] to set your RF gain correctly, please consider doing so. I have come to believe that many hams may not want to turn down their RF Gain (or turn off their preamps, or turn on their attenuators) perhaps for fear of not hearing very weak signals? However, you can't hear anything below the atmospheric noise level... so once the receiver can hear the external noise floor, any further sensitivity or gain doesn't buy you anything and only increases the noisiness -- which is what many of the complainants complain about. I think it was about six years ago that I conducted a double-blind survey here on the reflector in which I presented hi-fi recordings of four different receivers-- including an unmodified K3 with the old DSP board-- and asked folks to identify the K3. I hypothesized that the 'noisy' and 'fatiguing' audio that many reported would make it easy to pick out the K3 from the group. [The other receivers in the test were an Omni VI, a K2, and a Ten Tec 1340.] The results were exactly the same as random chance guessing, and the loudest critics of the K3 at the time were conspicuous by not participating. I don't know why; this only served to increase my frustration. At the time (and up to this day) my K3 AGC parameters were almost exactly those recommended by GM3SEK. Anyway, please try all of these great techniques that have been presented in the past few weeks because I really believe they can help. Thanks for letting me beat this one to a pulp. [Now, if you want, you can beat me to a pulp privately instead of overloading the reflector.] Al W6LX > My technique is to observe the S meter, no signal, RF Gain at max for > the given band and antenna. Then with the antenna disconnected, > actually by a switch, I adjust the RF Gain until the S meter indicates > the same value as the noise coming in on the antenna. Then switch the > antenna back to the receiver. The result is signal present and no noise. > 73 > Bob, K4TAX From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Apr 8 20:30:20 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 20:30:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Setting RF gain & AGC correctly In-Reply-To: <864487671.417632.1460160280841.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <56B4D9E4.6040606@blomand.net> <864487671.417632.1460160280841.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57084D1C.6070503@embarqmail.com> The K3/K3S AGC settings have a lot to do with the apparent "noisy K3" syndrome. IMHO, the K3 default AGC settings are not optimum. Look at my website www,w3fpr.com for information on how to customize your K3/K3S/KX3 AGC settings to optimum for your ambient noise and operating preferences. You will find a 'different receiver' when you adjust the AGC parameters. Pay particular attention to the method of evaluating the results. You must do the evaluation on pauses in the SSB communications or word/sentence breaks in CW. If you try to evaluate based on band noise alone, you will end up adjusting the parameters "backwards", and the result will be worse than when you started. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/8/2016 8:04 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > Again and again, I have asked (privately) those reporting 'bad K3 audio' to furnish me with settings, measurements, recordings -- anything-- but I haven't ever received anything with which I could diagnose the problem. > > Bad. Noisy. Fatiguing. These adjectives have been used continually to describe K3 audio. I believe you, I just don't know exactly what you're hearing. > > In the meantime, the analysis and recommendations that Ian, GM3SEK made here on 23 March are excellent and what I would consider required reading for anyone plagued with 'bad audio'. I must second all that he said. > > In conjunction with Ian's tips, if you're not in the habit of using Bob, K4TAX's technique [see below] to set your RF gain correctly, please consider doing so. I have come to believe that many hams may not want to turn down their RF Gain (or turn off their preamps, or turn on their attenuators) perhaps for fear of not hearing very weak signals? However, you can't hear anything below the atmospheric noise level... so once the receiver can hear the external noise floor, any further sensitivity or gain doesn't buy you anything and only increases the noisiness -- which is what many of the complainants complain about. > From ka9p at aol.com Fri Apr 8 21:00:57 2016 From: ka9p at aol.com (Scott McDonald) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 20:00:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel switches In-Reply-To: <000301d191ee$256d5060$7047f120$@biz> References: <5708343B.3030508@foothill.net> <000301d191ee$256d5060$7047f120$@biz> Message-ID: <72E5CA11-566A-42D6-BEA2-9CFC2683A8F0@aol.com> You might also take a look for a note from k6ll in the archives about erratic button behavior related to encoder issues-he described a way to exercise the encoders that resolved what looked like keypad issues on my k3 in short order. 73 Scott ka9p Make something good happen! > On Apr 8, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > I've not experienced that with my K3 which goes back to 2008 (S/N 00010), > but I would suspect corrosion on contacts. You might remove the front panel > assembly from the K3 and then plug it in again, and possibly do the same for > the DSP board. I've seen others suggest exercising the troubled switches > many times to good effect. > > One reason I've not experienced it on ol' number 10 is that every time there > a question about the assembly procedure or a kit change it comes apart to > check the changes. The contacts get exercised a lot. > > I don't recall if you built your K3 from a kit, Fred, but if not download > the KRX3 manual from the Elecraft web site. It has detailed instructions for > R/R the front panel assembly as part of the sub receiver installation. > > After splitting logs for an hour this afternoon with trusty axe, I feel like > my personal "tach" is on the peg just sitting here (puff, puff, puff). I > might be experiencing some "corrosion" myself and in need of more exercise. > > Good hunting and 73 > Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred > Jensen > Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 3:44 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel switches > > My K3, S/N 642, has been slowly developing "front panel dementia" [as am I > as I accumulate birthdays]. A number of the switches are becoming > intermittent, and often, the first push of one causes a totally unrelated > action [e.g. tapping BAND UP turns on NR]. It doesn't happen with all of > them and it seems like the ones I use the most are pretty stable. I find > that a really positive actuation, as in hard, often makes it work correctly. > > My K3 is getting somewhat long in the tooth as the S/N would indicate, but I > was under the impression that the front panel switches were rated at > multi-millions of operations, and I'm sure I haven't come remotely close to > exceeding that. My truck is 13 years old and is developing similar symptoms > [Tach says the engine is doing 6,000 RPM sitting in the driveway :-)] > > Curious: > > 1. Anybody else experience this? > > 2. If so, what did you do? > > 3. How do I tell if it's time to send it into the Big E? > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 > - www.cqp.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ka9p at aol.com From k0dxv at aol.com Fri Apr 8 23:05:26 2016 From: k0dxv at aol.com (Doug Person) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 20:05:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna In-Reply-To: <5706F770.3040802@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1460022080917-7616011.post@n2.nabble.com> <5706F770.3040802@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <57087176.40808@aol.com> I wrote an article for 73 many years ago where I effectively remade the Isotron antenna with parts from Home Depot. At the time, a 20 meter version could be built for about $15. I tested my version extensively and for the most part a dipole made with two Hamsticks was quite superior. They resonate, have good SWR bandwidth and generally radiate 5 watts of the 100 watts that goes into them. A "magnetic loop" blows it away. I sold the sample Isotron I bought at a hamfest for $5. (Bottom line - they are, as we say in the software business, crapware) Doug -- K0DXV On 4/7/2016 5:12 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > This so-called "antenna" is at best dumb, and at worst a rip-off. As > master antenna-designer N6BT wrote some years ago, "everything > 'works,' even a light bulb." He demonstrated this by mounting a a > light bulb on a wooden fencepost, feeding with coax that he had > carefully choked so that the coax could not radiate, and working all > continents with it. > > As others have noted, antennas like magnetic loops, loaded whips > (HamSticks, etc.), and long wires are the weapons of choice with > limited space and/or requirements of minimal visibility. If the frame > of the building is non-metallic, indoor antennas can work (but can > also be mondo noisy on RX). If the frame is metallic, the antenna must > be outside. The good news is that the building frame will work fine as > a counterpoise (although it may block the antenna in the direction of > the building). A long wire launched away from the building is best -- > small diameter enameled wire can be hard to see, and works fine as an > antenna. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Thu,4/7/2016 2:41 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote: >> I am sure that David talked about an Isotron antennas like this: >> https://www.isotronantennas.com/ >> >> I intensively tested/used this antenna in 90's on 40m (product from >> Sigi, >> DK9FN) and I have to say it is a nightmare in overall. From my own >> experiences the performance of this toy was highly dependent to the >> grounding availability, bandwidth was very small and tunning was >> influenced >> by ground only but also by closed objects a lot. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > From n1ix at n1ix.com Fri Apr 8 23:16:33 2016 From: n1ix at n1ix.com (n1ix at n1ix.com) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 23:16:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel switches In-Reply-To: <5708343B.3030508@foothill.net> References: <5708343B.3030508@foothill.net> Message-ID: <00fc01d1920e$3877fc80$a967f580$@n1ix.com> Fred, I had a very similar problem. Exercising the encoder pushbuttons cured the problem for a while but it came back and I ended up sending it to Elecraft where the replaced all 4 encoders. I also had the do all the upgrades. Now it's like a new radio. My truck (Tacoma) is 15 years old and still going strong :) 73 Dave N1IX -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 6:44 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel switches My K3, S/N 642, has been slowly developing "front panel dementia" [as am I as I accumulate birthdays]. A number of the switches are becoming intermittent, and often, the first push of one causes a totally unrelated action [e.g. tapping BAND UP turns on NR]. It doesn't happen with all of them and it seems like the ones I use the most are pretty stable. I find that a really positive actuation, as in hard, often makes it work correctly. My K3 is getting somewhat long in the tooth as the S/N would indicate, but I was under the impression that the front panel switches were rated at multi-millions of operations, and I'm sure I haven't come remotely close to exceeding that. My truck is 13 years old and is developing similar symptoms [Tach says the engine is doing 6,000 RPM sitting in the driveway :-)] Curious: 1. Anybody else experience this? 2. If so, what did you do? 3. How do I tell if it's time to send it into the Big E? 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n1ix at n1ix.com From k6ll.dave at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 23:24:43 2016 From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 20:24:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel switches In-Reply-To: <5708343B.3030508@foothill.net> References: <5708343B.3030508@foothill.net> Message-ID: Fred, Try this: http://marc.info/?l=elecraft&m=144267531705514&w=2 Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: Fred Jensen Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 3:44 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel switches My K3, S/N 642, has been slowly developing "front panel dementia" [as am I as I accumulate birthdays]. A number of the switches are becoming intermittent, and often, the first push of one causes a totally unrelated action [e.g. tapping BAND UP turns on NR]. It doesn't happen with all of them and it seems like the ones I use the most are pretty stable. I find that a really positive actuation, as in hard, often makes it work correctly. My K3 is getting somewhat long in the tooth as the S/N would indicate, but I was under the impression that the front panel switches were rated at multi-millions of operations, and I'm sure I haven't come remotely close to exceeding that. My truck is 13 years old and is developing similar symptoms [Tach says the engine is doing 6,000 RPM sitting in the driveway :-)] Curious: 1. Anybody else experience this? 2. If so, what did you do? 3. How do I tell if it's time to send it into the Big E? 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6ll.dave at gmail.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat Apr 9 01:13:04 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 22:13:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna In-Reply-To: <57087176.40808@aol.com> References: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1460022080917-7616011.post@n2.nabble.com> <5706F770.3040802@audiosystemsgroup.com> <57087176.40808@aol.com> Message-ID: <5636E268-7768-45D6-BED1-BD3172F0E293@wunderwood.org> The archives for 73 Magazine are online, so if you remember when, folks could read the article. https://archive.org/details/73-magazine wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Apr 8, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > > I wrote an article for 73 many years ago where I effectively remade the Isotron antenna with parts from Home Depot. At the time, a 20 meter version could be built for about $15. I tested my version extensively and for the most part a dipole made with two Hamsticks was quite superior. > > They resonate, have good SWR bandwidth and generally radiate 5 watts of the 100 watts that goes into them. A "magnetic loop" blows it away. I sold the sample Isotron I bought at a hamfest for $5. (Bottom line - they are, as we say in the software business, crapware) > > Doug -- K0DXV > > On 4/7/2016 5:12 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> This so-called "antenna" is at best dumb, and at worst a rip-off. As master antenna-designer N6BT wrote some years ago, "everything 'works,' even a light bulb." He demonstrated this by mounting a a light bulb on a wooden fencepost, feeding with coax that he had carefully choked so that the coax could not radiate, and working all continents with it. >> >> As others have noted, antennas like magnetic loops, loaded whips (HamSticks, etc.), and long wires are the weapons of choice with limited space and/or requirements of minimal visibility. If the frame of the building is non-metallic, indoor antennas can work (but can also be mondo noisy on RX). If the frame is metallic, the antenna must be outside. The good news is that the building frame will work fine as a counterpoise (although it may block the antenna in the direction of the building). A long wire launched away from the building is best -- small diameter enameled wire can be hard to see, and works fine as an antenna. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> On Thu,4/7/2016 2:41 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote: >>> I am sure that David talked about an Isotron antennas like this: >>> https://www.isotronantennas.com/ >>> >>> I intensively tested/used this antenna in 90's on 40m (product from Sigi, >>> DK9FN) and I have to say it is a nightmare in overall. From my own >>> experiences the performance of this toy was highly dependent to the >>> grounding availability, bandwidth was very small and tunning was influenced >>> by ground only but also by closed objects a lot. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Sat Apr 9 03:44:22 2016 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 08:44:22 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Setting RF gain & AGC correctly In-Reply-To: <57084D1C.6070503@embarqmail.com> References: <56B4D9E4.6040606@blomand.net> <864487671.417632.1460160280841.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <57084D1C.6070503@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <006501d19233$a77d5010$f677f030$@co.uk> To clarify what Don and Al have said, I don't take any position in the "Bad Audio" discussion. I doubt if any of us truly understands what the other guy means by "bad audio" anyway. My comments were specifically about the so-called "pileup mush" that results from the poorly chosen default AGC settings; and also about the lack of follow-through from Elecraft on this topic. [What follows is a re-post of my earlier message referenced by Al (with minor edits). For clarity, I don't have any disagreement with the views of Don, Al or Barry N1EU. I'm out the door now for the GM DX Convention, so I won't be able to enter into detailed discussions for the next few days.] *************** The factory default AGC THReshold for the K3 and K3S is very, very low. Measurements by KE7X [1] have shown that the default setting of THR=5 corresponds to an AGC onset at less than S3, whereas competing rigs have a threshold of S7 or even higher. This very low AGC threshold is what allows the AGC to be activated by band noise. Elecraft's factory defaults of THR=5 and SLP=12 compress all signals above the AGC threshold into a very narrow range of audio output levels [see the measurements by KE7X]. This makes for comfortable broadcast-style listening - but there is price to be paid. The default settings greatly reduce the differences in the real-life strengths of incoming signals - important differences that DXers and contesters *need* to hear, in order to pick individual signals out of a pileup. Following complaints from DXers, DXpeditioners and contesters about this so-called "pileup mush", and following further series of measurements by KE7X, Elecraft eventually did increase the available range of AGC THReshold settings (the v4.51 firmware upgrade). Following the release of FW v4.51, the consensus within the [K3-contesting] Yahoo group about the most important settings for DXing and contesting has been as follows. * AGC THR: increase to at least 8 (from default = 5) and preferably to 12, and then take some time to become re-accustomed to the increased range of audio levels [2]. (Some users recommend as high as 14, if your ears can handle it.) * AGC SLP: decrease to 8 or even less (from default = 12). Lower SLP settings allow stronger signals to sound somewhat louder, and thus more realistic, but the range of variation will be partly determined by the THR setting already made; so always experiment with THR first, and with SLP afterwards. * AGC DCY = SOFT (not default=NOR). The User Manual claims that "The SOFT setting can reduce IMD caused by traditional AGC, and is especially useful in 'pileup' conditions, in some cases making it unnecessary to turn AGC off." The settings recommended above have essentially solved the problem of "pileup mush" for those who have tried them... but regrettably, Elecraft has done almost nothing to make DXers and contesters aware that such changes are possible. More than 3 years after the firmware release notes boasted that v4.51 "greatly improves signal clarity in pile-ups and other high-noise or dense-signal situations, especially with threshold set to 12 or higher", that information is *still* missing from the User Manual. There is also no information on how to create different 'profiles' of AGC settings for different types of users. Meanwhile, Elecraft's factory AGC defaults remain exactly as they were, still optimized apparently for comfortable 'listening', while many DXers and contesters remain unaware that their K3/K3S could actually be *so* much better. [1] http://www.ke7x.com/home/miscellaneous-k3-information [2] It is important to give any increased AGC THReshold setting an extended trial. To anyone accustomed to an artificially restricted range of audio signal levels, a higher setting will initially sound quite 'aggressive' - even though the new setting is much closer to real life. ************ 73 from Ian GM3SEK 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Don Wilhelm >Sent: 09 April 2016 01:30 >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Setting RF gain & AGC correctly > >The K3/K3S AGC settings have a lot to do with the apparent "noisy K3" >syndrome. >IMHO, the K3 default AGC settings are not optimum. >Look at my website www,w3fpr.com for information on how to customize >your K3/K3S/KX3 AGC settings to optimum for your ambient noise and >operating preferences. You will find a 'different receiver' when you >adjust the AGC parameters. > >Pay particular attention to the method of evaluating the results. You >must do the evaluation on pauses in the SSB communications or >word/sentence breaks in CW. If you try to evaluate based on band noise >alone, you will end up adjusting the parameters "backwards", and the >result will be worse than when you started. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 4/8/2016 8:04 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >> Again and again, I have asked (privately) those reporting 'bad K3 audio' to >furnish me with settings, measurements, recordings -- anything-- but I >haven't ever received anything with which I could diagnose the problem. >> >> Bad. Noisy. Fatiguing. These adjectives have been used continually to >describe K3 audio. I believe you, I just don't know exactly what you're >hearing. >> >> In the meantime, the analysis and recommendations that Ian, GM3SEK >made here on 23 March are excellent and what I would consider required >reading for anyone plagued with 'bad audio'. I must second all that he said. >> >> In conjunction with Ian's tips, if you're not in the habit of using Bob, >K4TAX's technique [see below] to set your RF gain correctly, please consider >doing so. I have come to believe that many hams may not want to turn >down their RF Gain (or turn off their preamps, or turn on their attenuators) >perhaps for fear of not hearing very weak signals? However, you can't hear >anything below the atmospheric noise level... so once the receiver can hear >the external noise floor, any further sensitivity or gain doesn't buy you >anything and only increases the noisiness -- which is what many of the >complainants complain about. >> > From Andy at rickham.net Sat Apr 9 04:20:22 2016 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 09:20:22 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] S: Re: Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: <5708317B.7020004@embarqmail.com> References: <2E09F2ED-4E6E-419F-BE18-A493356804C1@gmail.com> <5708317B.7020004@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <7728871F-4ED6-4D08-8A64-B54ACBF96AA8@rickham.net> Don, Just to clarify. The Raspberry Pi uses a range of completely standard Linux operating systems EXCEPT that it does not use the X86 range of processors. It uses the ARM range instead. It does not need to ?emulate? Linux in all aspects ? it IS Linux in all aspects. Applications that are correctly compiled work just like those for other Linux systems. For example, the standard FLDIGI source for Linux just recompiles under Linux on the Raspberry Pi and then works. The designers of the Raspberry Pi are unlikely to rework their hardware to use a different processor ? especially when the ARM one powers so many smartphones and other modern devices and the X86 one is hamstrung by needing to retain backwards compatibility with a design from over 30 years ago. On the other hand, for the Elecraft Utilities to work on the Pi, all that would be required would be to compile the Linux source BUT for the ARM processor rather than the X86. Either Elecraft could do it or, as was suggested, they could release the source and (almost) anyone could do it. ? Regards Andy, G8TQH > On 8 Apr 2016, at 23:32, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > To ask Elecraft to provide Utilities for any and all small operating systems is unreasonable IMHO. The mainstream OS of Windows, Mac and Linux *are* supported, but recently there have been a number of OS variants that have appeared on the horizon (and there are likely to be more to come) and that includes the Rasberry Pi, and several other 'computers' that have recently appeared on the hobbyist market. > > Just because the most recent device can do RS-232 (or USB) communications does not mean it should be individually supported by hardware manufacturers. It would be more productive to encourage those writing software for those devices to request that they emulate Windows, or Mac, or Linux in all aspects so one could use the applications written for those mainstream OS versions to run without problems on whichever platform those "hobby" devices may be using. > > If the Rasberry Pi OS becomes stable over time, and is in use for a significant percentage of the Elecraft community, then it may eventually be supported on its own, but for the time being, as I understand the Raspberry Pi, its OS is a version of Linux, but not everything works like the main Linux platform -- so until you can convince the Raspberry Pi developers to create a version of its OS that is compatible in all respects to Linux, you will not have success. The market penetration for Raspberry Pi is just not great enough at this time for manufacturers to create software that will run on it. Much to the dismay of those who have Raspberry Pi running and controlling their ham stations. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 06:05:58 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 13:05:58 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5708D406.2020903@gmail.com> Reading this thread, I wonder how many actually do recognize this! I was a field tester for the K3 and therefore also for the K3 utility. I'm a retired software developer, and I had great respect for the developer of the K3 utility as I watched him great pains to develop a robust program with the ability to recover from almost anything that flaky serial and serial/usb connections could throw at it. Nobody wants to brick your K3/KX3, least of all Elecraft! Remember, software is a cost center for them, not a profit center. And so is support. Do you think they want to take calls of the form "I built my firmware loader following the specifications to a T (except...) and now my K3 has become unresponsive?" In my opinion Elecraft went over and above by providing versions for Windows, 32-bit Linux and Mac OS. Some manufacturers would give you Windows only, and it would be full of bugs, too! 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 8 Apr 2016 23:24, Jessie Oberreuter wrote: > Fortunately, we recognize that Elecraft is a /radio/ company, /not/ a > consumer software company, and we don't want to ask them to spend time > supporting dozens of firmware loaders. Ideally, we would like to see > or, with access to the protocol documentation, develop an open-source > library for updating the firmware. Then we can build our own firmware > loaders for whatever platforms we choose. From phil-z at comcast.net Sat Apr 9 08:03:20 2016 From: phil-z at comcast.net (Phillip Zminda) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 08:03:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 S/N 8769 with a question Message-ID: I just completed the build on my new KX3 last night and have it up and running but ran into one problem with the build. My kit had the errata sheet with the change in screw length to 2-56 X 1/4 in long for the battery holders. I could not get the screws started on both ends of either battery holder. If I got one screw in, the other end was raised up and the other screw didn?t seem to go through far enough to get the threads started. After struggling for a while I ended up using one of the 9/32 in screws and on one of them and a pan-head screw on the other end of each battery holder. This was just to get the rig completed and tested. I do want to eventually use batteries on occasion so I do need to fix this. I can see where the screw heads sticking up can be a risk. I am looking for help on getting the battery holders mounted correctly with the screw heads seated into the plastic. Loving the rig, made my 1st QSO with it last night and hoping for some time with it this weekend. Thanks, Phil N3ZP From nf4l at comcast.net Sat Apr 9 08:34:08 2016 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 08:34:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 front panel switches In-Reply-To: <5708343B.3030508@foothill.net> References: <5708343B.3030508@foothill.net> Message-ID: <40528F1D-5434-49A9-9CEE-C3691F5FD6C8@comcast.net> Fred, Give the techs at Elecraft a call. They're REAL good at diagnosing problems, and suggesting fixes. If you don't feel comfortable doing the work, send it in. 73, Mike NF4L > On Apr 8, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > My K3, S/N 642, has been slowly developing "front panel dementia" [as am I as I accumulate birthdays]. A number of the switches are becoming intermittent, and often, the first push of one causes a totally unrelated action [e.g. tapping BAND UP turns on NR]. It doesn't happen with all of them and it seems like the ones I use the most are pretty stable. I find that a really positive actuation, as in hard, often makes it work correctly. > > My K3 is getting somewhat long in the tooth as the S/N would indicate, but I was under the impression that the front panel switches were rated at multi-millions of operations, and I'm sure I haven't come remotely close to exceeding that. My truck is 13 years old and is developing similar symptoms [Tach says the engine is doing 6,000 RPM sitting in the driveway :-)] > > Curious: > > 1. Anybody else experience this? > > 2. If so, what did you do? > > 3. How do I tell if it's time to send it into the Big E? > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 > - www.cqp.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net 73, Mike NF4L From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sat Apr 9 08:49:40 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 08:49:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: <5708D406.2020903@gmail.com> References: <5708D406.2020903@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5708FA64.2020107@nycap.rr.com> This goes back to the unbeatable product support we get from Elecraft. I can honestly say that had I not received some really great support from the "home office" - I would not be the happy K-Line owner that I am today. That level of support is not available from any other ham radio manufacturer. Bill W2BLC K-Line From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sat Apr 9 08:52:02 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 07:52:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] S: Re: Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: <7728871F-4ED6-4D08-8A64-B54ACBF96AA8@rickham.net> References: <2E09F2ED-4E6E-419F-BE18-A493356804C1@gmail.com> <5708317B.7020004@embarqmail.com> <7728871F-4ED6-4D08-8A64-B54ACBF96AA8@rickham.net> Message-ID: <5708FAF2.4060905@mediacombb.net> Well.... Elecraft have decided to do neither for the time being so.... On 4/9/2016 3:20 AM, Andy McMullin wrote: > Don, > > Just to clarify. The Raspberry Pi uses a range of completely standard Linux operating systems EXCEPT that it does not use the X86 range of processors. It uses the ARM range instead. It does not need to ?emulate? Linux in all aspects ? it IS Linux in all aspects. Applications that are correctly compiled work just like those for other Linux systems. For example, the standard FLDIGI source for Linux just recompiles under Linux on the Raspberry Pi and then works. > > The designers of the Raspberry Pi are unlikely to rework their hardware to use a different processor ? especially when the ARM one powers so many smartphones and other modern devices and the X86 one is hamstrung by needing to retain backwards compatibility with a design from over 30 years ago. > > On the other hand, for the Elecraft Utilities to work on the Pi, all that would be required would be to compile the Linux source BUT for the ARM processor rather than the X86. Either Elecraft could do it or, as was suggested, they could release the source and (almost) anyone could do it. > > ? > Regards > Andy, G8TQH > > >> On 8 Apr 2016, at 23:32, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> To ask Elecraft to provide Utilities for any and all small operating systems is unreasonable IMHO. The mainstream OS of Windows, Mac and Linux *are* supported, but recently there have been a number of OS variants that have appeared on the horizon (and there are likely to be more to come) and that includes the Rasberry Pi, and several other 'computers' that have recently appeared on the hobbyist market. >> >> Just because the most recent device can do RS-232 (or USB) communications does not mean it should be individually supported by hardware manufacturers. It would be more productive to encourage those writing software for those devices to request that they emulate Windows, or Mac, or Linux in all aspects so one could use the applications written for those mainstream OS versions to run without problems on whichever platform those "hobby" devices may be using. >> >> If the Rasberry Pi OS becomes stable over time, and is in use for a significant percentage of the Elecraft community, then it may eventually be supported on its own, but for the time being, as I understand the Raspberry Pi, its OS is a version of Linux, but not everything works like the main Linux platform -- so until you can convince the Raspberry Pi developers to create a version of its OS that is compatible in all respects to Linux, you will not have success. The market penetration for Raspberry Pi is just not great enough at this time for manufacturers to create software that will run on it. Much to the dismay of those who have Raspberry Pi running and controlling their ham stations. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin.stover at mediacombb.net -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 09:16:04 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 07:16:04 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 S/N 8769 with a question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Phil, I used the tip of a drill bit the same size as the screw heads and -gently- turned it with my fingers to countersink the holes in the battery holder. Use caution, as a sharp bit can bite into the plastic and end up going all the way through. 73 Ken Kopp - K0PP On Apr 9, 2016 06:06, "Phillip Zminda" wrote: > I just completed the build on my new KX3 last night and have it up and > running but ran into one problem with the build. My kit had the errata > sheet with the change in screw length to 2-56 X 1/4 in long for the battery > holders. I could not get the screws started on both ends of either battery > holder. If I got one screw in, the other end was raised up and the other > screw didn?t seem to go through far enough to get the threads started. > After struggling for a while I ended up using one of the 9/32 in screws and > on one of them and a pan-head screw on the other end of each battery > holder. This was just to get the rig completed and tested. I do want to > eventually use batteries on occasion so I do need to fix this. I can see > where the screw heads sticking up can be a risk. > > I am looking for help on getting the battery holders mounted correctly > with the screw heads seated into the plastic. > > Loving the rig, made my 1st QSO with it last night and hoping for some > time with it this weekend. > > Thanks, > > Phil N3ZP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Sat Apr 9 09:17:12 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 06:17:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Setting RF gain & AGC correctly In-Reply-To: <006501d19233$a77d5010$f677f030$@co.uk> References: <4FE5BED3-C547-464E-B696-423E23A52EC5@elecraft.com> <438072230.2215930.1454684023088.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56B4C635.6040501@gmail.com> <56B4CA0C.8080701@blomand.net> <56B4D2AE.9050509@gmail.com> <56B4D9E4.6040606@blomand.net> <864487671.417632.1460160280841.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <57084D1C.6070503@embarqmail.com> <006501d19233$a77d5010$f677f030$@co.uk> Message-ID: <1460207832183-7616116.post@n2.nabble.com> So... Elecraft almost completely rewrites the AGC support in their firmware... and that's a lack of follow-through? lots of hi hi's and smileys here.. but seriously, I totally agree that the wrong AGC settings can make the APF almost unusable. I personally have found that it works the best with the AGC simply turned off. The cost is having to "ride" the volume control a little bit in the QSB, but it becomes a razor blade without the AGC enabled at all on a weak sig. As for the AGC settings, after experimentation I've ended up with both SLP and THR set to 10 on my K3 and K3S. That gives the best balance for my ears between compression and "pumping" kinds of effects on fast AGC. YMMV. As for "noisy K3", I'm not sure what that refers to. I've complained about the quality of the audio, essentially the freq. response, in the past but the K3 RX is probably the quietest on the market. Mine and my K3S both are virtually silent out on my /p ops, out where I'm far away from man-made industrial noise sources. Even before I upgraded the synthesizer, the K3 was one of the quietest RX's I've ever used. 73, LS W5QD gm3sek wrote > To clarify what Don and Al have said, I don't take any position in the > "Bad Audio" discussion. I doubt if any of us truly understands what the > other guy means by "bad audio" anyway. > > My comments were specifically about the so-called "pileup mush" that > results from the poorly chosen default AGC settings; and also about the > lack of follow-through from Elecraft on this topic. > > [What follows is a re-post of my earlier message referenced by Al (with > minor edits). For clarity, I don't have any disagreement with the views > of Don, Al or Barry N1EU. > > I'm out the door now for the GM DX Convention, so I won't be able to > enter into detailed discussions for the next few days.] > > *************** > > The factory default AGC THReshold for the K3 and K3S is very, very low. > Measurements by KE7X [1] have shown that the default setting of THR=5 > corresponds to an AGC onset at less than S3, whereas competing rigs have > a threshold of S7 or even higher. This very low AGC threshold is what > allows the AGC to be activated by band noise. > > Elecraft's factory defaults of THR=5 and SLP=12 compress all signals > above the AGC threshold into a very narrow range of audio output levels > [see the measurements by KE7X]. This makes for comfortable > broadcast-style listening - but there is price to be paid. The default > settings greatly reduce the differences in the real-life strengths of > incoming signals - important differences that DXers and contesters > *need* to hear, in order to pick individual signals out of a pileup. > > Following complaints from DXers, DXpeditioners and contesters about this > so-called "pileup mush", and following further series of measurements by > KE7X, Elecraft eventually did increase the available range of AGC > THReshold settings (the v4.51 firmware upgrade). > > Following the release of FW v4.51, the consensus within the > [K3-contesting] Yahoo group about the most important settings for DXing > and contesting has been as follows. > > * AGC THR: increase to at least 8 (from default = 5) and preferably to > 12, and then take some time to become re-accustomed to the increased > range of audio levels [2]. (Some users recommend as high as 14, if your > ears can handle it.) > > * AGC SLP: decrease to 8 or even less (from default = 12). Lower SLP > settings allow stronger signals to sound somewhat louder, and thus more > realistic, but the range of variation will be partly determined by the > THR setting already made; so always experiment with THR first, and with > SLP afterwards. > > * AGC DCY = SOFT (not default=NOR). The User Manual claims that "The > SOFT setting can reduce IMD caused by traditional AGC, and is especially > useful in 'pileup' conditions, in some cases making it unnecessary to > turn AGC off." > > The settings recommended above have essentially solved the problem of > "pileup mush" for those who have tried them... but regrettably, Elecraft > has done almost nothing to make DXers and contesters aware that such > changes are possible. > > More than 3 years after the firmware release notes boasted that v4.51 > "greatly improves signal clarity in pile-ups and other high-noise or > dense-signal situations, especially with threshold set to 12 or higher", > that information is *still* missing from the User Manual. There is also > no information on how to create different 'profiles' of AGC settings for > different types of users. > > Meanwhile, Elecraft's factory AGC defaults remain exactly as they were, > still optimized apparently for comfortable 'listening', while many DXers > and contesters remain unaware that their K3/K3S could actually be *so* > much better. > > > > [1] http://www.ke7x.com/home/miscellaneous-k3-information > > [2] It is important to give any increased AGC THReshold setting an > extended trial. To anyone accustomed to an artificially restricted range > of audio signal levels, a higher setting will initially sound quite > 'aggressive' - even though the new setting is much closer to real life. > > ************ > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > > > > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Elecraft [mailto: > elecraft-bounces at .qth > ] On Behalf Of >>Don Wilhelm >>Sent: 09 April 2016 01:30 >>To: > elecraft at .qth >>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Setting RF gain & AGC correctly >> >>The K3/K3S AGC settings have a lot to do with the apparent "noisy K3" >>syndrome. >>IMHO, the K3 default AGC settings are not optimum. >>Look at my website www,w3fpr.com for information on how to customize >>your K3/K3S/KX3 AGC settings to optimum for your ambient noise and >>operating preferences. You will find a 'different receiver' when you >>adjust the AGC parameters. >> >>Pay particular attention to the method of evaluating the results. You >>must do the evaluation on pauses in the SSB communications or >>word/sentence breaks in CW. If you try to evaluate based on band noise >>alone, you will end up adjusting the parameters "backwards", and the >>result will be worse than when you started. >> >>73, >>Don W3FPR >> >>On 4/8/2016 8:04 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >>> Again and again, I have asked (privately) those reporting 'bad K3 > audio' to >>furnish me with settings, measurements, recordings -- anything-- but I >>haven't ever received anything with which I could diagnose the problem. >>> >>> Bad. Noisy. Fatiguing. These adjectives have been used continually to >>describe K3 audio. I believe you, I just don't know exactly what you're >>hearing. >>> >>> In the meantime, the analysis and recommendations that Ian, GM3SEK >>made here on 23 March are excellent and what I would consider required >>reading for anyone plagued with 'bad audio'. I must second all that he > said. >>> >>> In conjunction with Ian's tips, if you're not in the habit of using > Bob, >>K4TAX's technique [see below] to set your RF gain correctly, please > consider >>doing so. I have come to believe that many hams may not want to turn >>down their RF Gain (or turn off their preamps, or turn on their > attenuators) >>perhaps for fear of not hearing very weak signals? However, you can't > hear >>anything below the atmospheric noise level... so once the receiver can > hear >>the external noise floor, any further sensitivity or gain doesn't buy > you >>anything and only increases the noisiness -- which is what many of the >>complainants complain about. >>> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/APF-audio-peaking-filter-on-the-K3-K3S-KX3-tp7613416p7616116.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sat Apr 9 09:25:08 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 08:25:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Setting RF gain & AGC correctly In-Reply-To: <006501d19233$a77d5010$f677f030$@co.uk> References: <56B4D9E4.6040606@blomand.net> <864487671.417632.1460160280841.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <57084D1C.6070503@embarqmail.com> <006501d19233$a77d5010$f677f030$@co.uk> Message-ID: <570902B4.7050204@mediacombb.net> I totally understand what your talking about but you have to be aware of the fur ball that happened on this list when the K3 was introduced. "It doesn't sound like my (insert favorite Japanese Radio here)". There were people running around on different message boards claiming the K3's audio was terrible, even though it was configurable with said AGC settings and probably the best receiver any of them had ever heard. So what is a company to do, make the radio "sound better" out of the box or let the nattering nabobs of negativism continue to slander the rig? They made the necessary anti-mush firmware changes and left the default alone. Pretty good middle of the road solution. DXer's and contestors are supposed to be our best and brightest, not counting some recent high profile DXpeditions (that's another thread), but can't keep on top of firmware changes and experiment with AGC settings? We haven't ALL become appliance operators needing our hands held have we? I'll bet the 4.51 changes were all over contesting.com within 10 minutes of being released. The changes were discussed on this list until the horse resembled glue. Claiming nobody knows/knew about them is silly. On 4/9/2016 2:44 AM, Ian White wrote: > To clarify what Don and Al have said, I don't take any position in the > "Bad Audio" discussion. I doubt if any of us truly understands what the > other guy means by "bad audio" anyway. > > My comments were specifically about the so-called "pileup mush" that > results from the poorly chosen default AGC settings; and also about the > lack of follow-through from Elecraft on this topic. > > [What follows is a re-post of my earlier message referenced by Al (with > minor edits). For clarity, I don't have any disagreement with the views > of Don, Al or Barry N1EU. > > I'm out the door now for the GM DX Convention, so I won't be able to > enter into detailed discussions for the next few days.] > > *************** > > The factory default AGC THReshold for the K3 and K3S is very, very low. > Measurements by KE7X [1] have shown that the default setting of THR=5 > corresponds to an AGC onset at less than S3, whereas competing rigs have > a threshold of S7 or even higher. This very low AGC threshold is what > allows the AGC to be activated by band noise. > > Elecraft's factory defaults of THR=5 and SLP=12 compress all signals > above the AGC threshold into a very narrow range of audio output levels > [see the measurements by KE7X]. This makes for comfortable > broadcast-style listening - but there is price to be paid. The default > settings greatly reduce the differences in the real-life strengths of > incoming signals - important differences that DXers and contesters > *need* to hear, in order to pick individual signals out of a pileup. > > Following complaints from DXers, DXpeditioners and contesters about this > so-called "pileup mush", and following further series of measurements by > KE7X, Elecraft eventually did increase the available range of AGC > THReshold settings (the v4.51 firmware upgrade). > > Following the release of FW v4.51, the consensus within the > [K3-contesting] Yahoo group about the most important settings for DXing > and contesting has been as follows. > > * AGC THR: increase to at least 8 (from default = 5) and preferably to > 12, and then take some time to become re-accustomed to the increased > range of audio levels [2]. (Some users recommend as high as 14, if your > ears can handle it.) > > * AGC SLP: decrease to 8 or even less (from default = 12). Lower SLP > settings allow stronger signals to sound somewhat louder, and thus more > realistic, but the range of variation will be partly determined by the > THR setting already made; so always experiment with THR first, and with > SLP afterwards. > > * AGC DCY = SOFT (not default=NOR). The User Manual claims that "The > SOFT setting can reduce IMD caused by traditional AGC, and is especially > useful in 'pileup' conditions, in some cases making it unnecessary to > turn AGC off." > > The settings recommended above have essentially solved the problem of > "pileup mush" for those who have tried them... but regrettably, Elecraft > has done almost nothing to make DXers and contesters aware that such > changes are possible. > > More than 3 years after the firmware release notes boasted that v4.51 > "greatly improves signal clarity in pile-ups and other high-noise or > dense-signal situations, especially with threshold set to 12 or higher", > that information is *still* missing from the User Manual. There is also > no information on how to create different 'profiles' of AGC settings for > different types of users. > > Meanwhile, Elecraft's factory AGC defaults remain exactly as they were, > still optimized apparently for comfortable 'listening', while many DXers > and contesters remain unaware that their K3/K3S could actually be *so* > much better. > > > > [1] http://www.ke7x.com/home/miscellaneous-k3-information > > [2] It is important to give any increased AGC THReshold setting an > extended trial. To anyone accustomed to an artificially restricted range > of audio signal levels, a higher setting will initially sound quite > 'aggressive' - even though the new setting is much closer to real life. > > ************ > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Sat Apr 9 10:05:43 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 07:05:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Setting RF gain & AGC correctly In-Reply-To: <570902B4.7050204@mediacombb.net> References: <4FE5BED3-C547-464E-B696-423E23A52EC5@elecraft.com> <438072230.2215930.1454684023088.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56B4C635.6040501@gmail.com> <56B4CA0C.8080701@blomand.net> <56B4D2AE.9050509@gmail.com> <56B4D9E4.6040606@blomand.net> <864487671.417632.1460160280841.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <57084D1C.6070503@embarqmail.com> <006501d19233$a77d5010$f677f030$@co.uk> <570902B4.7050204@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <1460210743355-7616119.post@n2.nabble.com> Agree, even I figured out how to twiddle the AGC settings once I found them. They're not hard to find, just scroll until you see something that starts with "AGC..." hi hi. If I can do it, anyone can. As for the defaults, IMO, the K3/K3S AGC is plenty good enough to live with them for quite a while even if you _don't_ manage to find the configuration settings somehow. In fact, about all you'll notice is a slightly strange occasional "pumping" action on AGC - S on CW sigs with a lot of QSB, which may or may not make you scratch your head and send you to the manual. On voice it might be a little fatiguing on AGC - F after a while; again that may send you to the manual to look for settings or it may not. As for not sounding like your favorite other rig, you say that like it's a bad thing hi hi. I'd rather not hear the squeal of the tuner-upper 1kc away blowing through the filters at all, no matter how nice the audio of it may be. That's what I get with my K's regardless of any other issues my hearing may have.... 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/APF-audio-peaking-filter-on-the-K3-K3S-KX3-tp7613416p7616119.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k0dxv at aol.com Sat Apr 9 10:17:15 2016 From: k0dxv at aol.com (Doug Person) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 07:17:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna In-Reply-To: <5636E268-7768-45D6-BED1-BD3172F0E293@wunderwood.org> References: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1460022080917-7616011.post@n2.nabble.com> <5706F770.3040802@audiosystemsgroup.com> <57087176.40808@aol.com> <5636E268-7768-45D6-BED1-BD3172F0E293@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <57090EEB.3050200@aol.com> The issue was June 1998. The article was focused on how to construct one. 73 (Wayne Green) wasn't interested in all the tables of performance data. He also wasn't interested in an excellent interview I did with Wayne and Eric early on. In so many words he was pretty clear that unless Elecraft was going to be a regular advertiser, he wasn't going to devote space to promoting what was essentially a startup at the time. Poor judgement on his part. I think Wayne Green perfectly defined the term curmudgeon. Doug -- K0DXV On 4/8/2016 10:13 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > The archives for 73 Magazine are online, so if you remember when, folks could read the article. > > https://archive.org/details/73-magazine > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Apr 8, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: >> >> I wrote an article for 73 many years ago where I effectively remade the Isotron antenna with parts from Home Depot. At the time, a 20 meter version could be built for about $15. I tested my version extensively and for the most part a dipole made with two Hamsticks was quite superior. >> >> They resonate, have good SWR bandwidth and generally radiate 5 watts of the 100 watts that goes into them. A "magnetic loop" blows it away. I sold the sample Isotron I bought at a hamfest for $5. (Bottom line - they are, as we say in the software business, crapware) >> >> Doug -- K0DXV >> >> On 4/7/2016 5:12 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> This so-called "antenna" is at best dumb, and at worst a rip-off. As master antenna-designer N6BT wrote some years ago, "everything 'works,' even a light bulb." He demonstrated this by mounting a a light bulb on a wooden fencepost, feeding with coax that he had carefully choked so that the coax could not radiate, and working all continents with it. >>> >>> As others have noted, antennas like magnetic loops, loaded whips (HamSticks, etc.), and long wires are the weapons of choice with limited space and/or requirements of minimal visibility. If the frame of the building is non-metallic, indoor antennas can work (but can also be mondo noisy on RX). If the frame is metallic, the antenna must be outside. The good news is that the building frame will work fine as a counterpoise (although it may block the antenna in the direction of the building). A long wire launched away from the building is best -- small diameter enameled wire can be hard to see, and works fine as an antenna. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> >>> On Thu,4/7/2016 2:41 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote: >>>> I am sure that David talked about an Isotron antennas like this: >>>> https://www.isotronantennas.com/ >>>> >>>> I intensively tested/used this antenna in 90's on 40m (product from Sigi, >>>> DK9FN) and I have to say it is a nightmare in overall. From my own >>>> experiences the performance of this toy was highly dependent to the >>>> grounding availability, bandwidth was very small and tunning was influenced >>>> by ground only but also by closed objects a lot. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > From k0dxv at aol.com Sat Apr 9 10:47:22 2016 From: k0dxv at aol.com (Doug Person) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 07:47:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] S: Re: Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: <5708FAF2.4060905@mediacombb.net> References: <2E09F2ED-4E6E-419F-BE18-A493356804C1@gmail.com> <5708317B.7020004@embarqmail.com> <7728871F-4ED6-4D08-8A64-B54ACBF96AA8@rickham.net> <5708FAF2.4060905@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <570915FA.1070302@aol.com> X86 processors are now being placed on Arduino sized boards. There are also full X86 computers as small as an over sized dongle. The Raspberry Pi is a beautiful piece of engineering. But, it is only a matter of time before you can buy an X86 in a similar package running Windows 10. Microsoft has already released Windows 10 for Raspberry PI and the Intel Edison is just the first shot at bringing X86 down to the Pi level. It's probably just a matter of months before you can choose a Pi or an Intel equipped X86 equivalent. That said, jumping on the Pi train might be short-lived trip. It's probably possible to diddle the compiler settings and get the Utilities working on Pi. But, are there really enough interested parties to make that worth while? Hard to say. Meanwhile, I love my little Pi boxes and continue to be amazed at what they are capable of. Doug -- K0DXV On 4/9/2016 5:52 AM, Kevin Stover wrote: > Well.... > Elecraft have decided to do neither for the time being so.... > > On 4/9/2016 3:20 AM, Andy McMullin wrote: >> Don, >> >> Just to clarify. The Raspberry Pi uses a range of completely standard >> Linux operating systems EXCEPT that it does not use the X86 range of >> processors. It uses the ARM range instead. It does not need to >> ?emulate? Linux in all aspects ? it IS Linux in all aspects. >> Applications that are correctly compiled work just like those for >> other Linux systems. For example, the standard FLDIGI source for >> Linux just recompiles under Linux on the Raspberry Pi and then works. >> >> The designers of the Raspberry Pi are unlikely to rework their >> hardware to use a different processor ? especially when the ARM one >> powers so many smartphones and other modern devices and the X86 one >> is hamstrung by needing to retain backwards compatibility with a >> design from over 30 years ago. >> >> On the other hand, for the Elecraft Utilities to work on the Pi, all >> that would be required would be to compile the Linux source BUT for >> the ARM processor rather than the X86. Either Elecraft could do it >> or, as was suggested, they could release the source and (almost) >> anyone could do it. >> >> ? >> Regards >> Andy, G8TQH >> >> >>> On 8 Apr 2016, at 23:32, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> >>> To ask Elecraft to provide Utilities for any and all small operating >>> systems is unreasonable IMHO. The mainstream OS of Windows, Mac and >>> Linux *are* supported, but recently there have been a number of OS >>> variants that have appeared on the horizon (and there are likely to >>> be more to come) and that includes the Rasberry Pi, and several >>> other 'computers' that have recently appeared on the hobbyist market. >>> >>> Just because the most recent device can do RS-232 (or USB) >>> communications does not mean it should be individually supported by >>> hardware manufacturers. It would be more productive to encourage >>> those writing software for those devices to request that they >>> emulate Windows, or Mac, or Linux in all aspects so one could use >>> the applications written for those mainstream OS versions to run >>> without problems on whichever platform those "hobby" devices may be >>> using. >>> >>> If the Rasberry Pi OS becomes stable over time, and is in use for a >>> significant percentage of the Elecraft community, then it may >>> eventually be supported on its own, but for the time being, as I >>> understand the Raspberry Pi, its OS is a version of Linux, but not >>> everything works like the main Linux platform -- so until you can >>> convince the Raspberry Pi developers to create a version of its OS >>> that is compatible in all respects to Linux, you will not have >>> success. The market penetration for Raspberry Pi is just not great >>> enough at this time for manufacturers to create software that will >>> run on it. Much to the dismay of those who have Raspberry Pi >>> running and controlling their ham stations. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kevin.stover at mediacombb.net > > From doug at ellmore.net Sat Apr 9 10:51:26 2016 From: doug at ellmore.net (Doug Ellmore) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 10:51:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am interested in finding a used K3/100. Please contact me off list with specs and price. Must have at least 100w, one 8 pole 2.8 kHz filter, DVR, and ATU. Doug NA1DX From w6jhb at me.com Sat Apr 9 11:28:04 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2016 08:28:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] S: Re: Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: <7728871F-4ED6-4D08-8A64-B54ACBF96AA8@rickham.net> References: <2E09F2ED-4E6E-419F-BE18-A493356804C1@gmail.com> <5708317B.7020004@embarqmail.com> <7728871F-4ED6-4D08-8A64-B54ACBF96AA8@rickham.net> Message-ID: After reading a half-bazillion posts on this I feel compelled to add my two cents worth. I've been around computers a very long time, starting my career back in the days of IBM's "big iron" mainframes. Have had my share of Windows-based PCs at work and at home, and ten years ago converted to being a "Mac head". Early last year I got my first Raspberry Pi and more recently acquired the newer version 3. I also run a Ubuntu Linux guest on my iMac under VMware Fusion. My primary reason for having these Ubuntu and RPi Linux instances was to set up WSJT-X, WSPR, and Quisk so I could experiment with and operate a tiny QRPp SDR while my K-line is used as my primary station rig. What I see as huge stumbling blocks in this whole Linux thing are twofold: the need in many cases to compile an application, and having to deal with pre-requisite packages. A pre-built package, with everything in it, is IMHO, the only way to go. I can't begin to count the number of hours I've spent dorking around with this pre-req crud and getting an application correctly compiled. These are hours I would have much sooner spent actually using the application instead of tracking down what the correct version of pre-req I need, where to get it, yada, yada. That stuff is fun for a while but not how I want to spend my time. Anyone new to Linux and used to simply downloading an application from the web or dropping a disk into their machine on Windows or a Mac will have a real eye opening experience when they first attempt compiling an application on Linux. The opportunity for failure is huge and thinking that Elecraft would consider for one second having to support this sort of thing - hahahahahaha!!!! Yeah, if you are a Linux guru it might be a piece of cake for you, but for the rest of us - major PITA. Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA From repair at willcoele.com Sat Apr 9 12:24:41 2016 From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 09:24:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Codecs and Remote Desktop Message-ID: <1460219081226-7616124.post@n2.nabble.com> After installing the KIO3B, I had no problem passing audio to and from my W7 PC. The speaker and microphone codec appear in the Sound Control panel. When I try to use Remote desktop, the codecs a are gone and there's no sound on my Dell laptop. When I check the Sound Control the only sound device that appears in the Playback tab is a Speaker and the Recording tab is blank. When I check "Play on remote computer" and launch RDT, The Sound Control shows the K3 codecs and I can hear sound on the host computer. Before I launched RDT, at the Local Resources tab/Settings I checked "Play on this computer". Here's my conundrum. For a pan-adapter, I use an SDR-14 software defined receiver from RF-Space. The Spectra-Vue software is compatible with the K3. I feeds off the K3's IF and it functions like the P3 except the spectrum display is on the PC monitor. Within the span it can also serve as a 2nd or 3rd receiver and the audio from each demodulator is fed separately to each speaker. When I use Remote Desktop the audio is passed to my Laptop and when I click on the Taskbar-Speaker icon, the Spectra-Vue volume control is shown. My question is "What is the difference between the Spectra-Vue codec and the K3 codac? Why is the audio available on the SDR-14 but not on the K3. ----- Jack WA9FVP Sent from my TRS-80 :-) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Codecs-and-Remote-Desktop-tp7616124.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n1al at sonic.net Sat Apr 9 13:54:16 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 10:54:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [k3] Isotropic Antenna In-Reply-To: <57090EEB.3050200@aol.com> References: <855644635.407797.1459971380104.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1460022080917-7616011.post@n2.nabble.com> <5706F770.3040802@audiosystemsgroup.com> <57087176.40808@aol.com> <5636E268-7768-45D6-BED1-BD3172F0E293@wunderwood.org> <57090EEB.3050200@aol.com> Message-ID: <570941C8.8020205@sonic.net> Years ago, a local ham who was acting as an Isotron distributor brought the 80 meter version to the club's Field Day. I discovered I got out a lot better by unscrewing the shield of the coax connector and just using the feedline as an antenna. :=) Alan N1AL On 04/09/2016 07:17 AM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote: > The issue was June 1998. The article was focused on how to construct > one. 73 (Wayne Green) wasn't interested in all the tables of > performance data. ... > > On 4/8/2016 10:13 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> The archives for 73 Magazine are online, so if you remember when, >> folks could read the article. >> >> https://archive.org/details/73-magazine >> >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> Walter Underwood >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >> >>> On Apr 8, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft >>> wrote: >>> >>> ... >>> They resonate, have good SWR bandwidth and generally radiate 5 watts >>> of the 100 watts that goes into them. A "magnetic loop" blows it >>> away. I sold the sample Isotron I bought at a hamfest for $5. >>> (Bottom line - they are, as we say in the software business, crapware) >>> >>> >>> On 4/7/2016 5:12 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>>> This so-called "antenna" is at best dumb, and at worst a rip-off. ... On Thu,4/7/2016 2:41 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote: >>>>> I am sure that David talked about an Isotron antennas like this: >>>>> https://www.isotronantennas.com/ >>>>> >>>>> I intensively tested/used this antenna in 90's on 40m (product >>>>> from Sigi, >>>>> DK9FN) and I have to say it is a nightmare in overall. From my own >>>>> experiences the performance of this toy was highly dependent to the >>>>> grounding availability, bandwidth was very small and tunning was >>>>> influenced >>>>> by ground only but also by closed objects a lot. >>>> From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Sat Apr 9 14:01:40 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 11:01:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Codecs and Remote Desktop In-Reply-To: <1460219081226-7616124.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460219081226-7616124.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1460224900476-7616126.post@n2.nabble.com> Most likely, the software device for the K3 sound card doesn't support Remote Desktop. It looks like doing things like remote rendering of sound requires specific support in the application on the server side via RDP (Remote Desktop Protocol) and using the Remote Desktop API. Apparently this support has been added in the Spectra-Vue application which would be why it can render sound on the RD client..... Which is kind of cool! See if there's a way to pass the K3 audio into the Spectra-Vue application itself - then it might "pass through" to your remote machine using its RDP support.... 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Codecs-and-Remote-Desktop-tp7616124p7616126.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 14:13:34 2016 From: ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com (ei6iz.Brendan Minish) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 19:13:34 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] S: Re: Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: References: <2E09F2ED-4E6E-419F-BE18-A493356804C1@gmail.com> <5708317B.7020004@embarqmail.com> <7728871F-4ED6-4D08-8A64-B54ACBF96AA8@rickham.net> Message-ID: I think that all most of us would need would be a command line utility that can be used to update firmware and perhaps back up settings. Either making this open source or just releasing the protocol spec would be all that's needed. This would not require the firmware to be open sourced, it would just mean that the Elecraft provided firmwares can be uploaded to the radio. Icing on the cake would be the ability to make radio backups On 9 Apr 2016 16:28, "James Bennett" wrote: > After reading a half-bazillion posts on this I feel compelled to add my > two cents worth. > > I've been around computers a very long time, starting my career back in > the days of IBM's "big iron" mainframes. Have had my share of Windows-based > PCs at work and at home, and ten years ago converted to being a "Mac head". > Early last year I got my first Raspberry Pi and more recently acquired the > newer version 3. I also run a Ubuntu Linux guest on my iMac under VMware > Fusion. My primary reason for having these Ubuntu and RPi Linux instances > was to set up WSJT-X, WSPR, and Quisk so I could experiment with and > operate a tiny QRPp SDR while my K-line is used as my primary station rig. > > What I see as huge stumbling blocks in this whole Linux thing are twofold: > the need in many cases to compile an application, and having to deal with > pre-requisite packages. A pre-built package, with everything in it, is > IMHO, the only way to go. I can't begin to count the number of hours I've > spent dorking around with this pre-req crud and getting an application > correctly compiled. These are hours I would have much sooner spent actually > using the application instead of tracking down what the correct version of > pre-req I need, where to get it, yada, yada. That stuff is fun for a while > but not how I want to spend my time. > > Anyone new to Linux and used to simply downloading an application from the > web or dropping a disk into their machine on Windows or a Mac will have a > real eye opening experience when they first attempt compiling an > application on Linux. The opportunity for failure is huge and thinking that > Elecraft would consider for one second having to support this sort of thing > - hahahahahaha!!!! Yeah, if you are a Linux guru it might be a piece of > cake for you, but for the rest of us - major PITA. > > > > Jim Bennett / W6JHB > Folsom, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ei6iz.brendan at gmail.com > From lists at subich.com Sat Apr 9 14:27:17 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 14:27:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Codecs and Remote Desktop In-Reply-To: <1460219081226-7616124.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460219081226-7616124.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <57094985.8020207@subich.com> > My question is "What is the difference between the Spectra-Vue codec > and the K3 codac? Why is the audio available on the SDR-14 but not on > the K3. RF Space audio is data within the program DLL - there is no hardware CODEC (you can't see SDR-14, SDR-IQ, etc. as a "sound card" in Windows Device Manager) The K3S USB audio is defined by the hardware on the specific PC (and appears as a sound card in Windows Device Manger). You *might* be able to find a "remote sound card driver" that will mirror the K3S USB Audio CODEC onto a remote PC but good luck ... you will probably have more luck using a VoIP package to transport the audio from one sound card (the K3S) to the other (your laptop) than installing the remote K3S sound card onto your laptop. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/9/2016 12:24 PM, wa9fvp wrote: > After installing the KIO3B, I had no problem passing audio to and from my W7 > PC. The speaker and microphone codec appear in the Sound Control panel. > When I try to use Remote desktop, the codecs a are gone and there's no sound > on my Dell laptop. When I check the Sound Control the only sound device > that appears in the Playback tab is a Speaker and the Recording tab is > blank. When I check "Play on remote computer" and launch RDT, The Sound > Control shows the K3 codecs and I can hear sound on the host computer. > > Before I launched RDT, at the Local Resources tab/Settings I checked "Play > on this computer". Here's my conundrum. For a pan-adapter, I use an SDR-14 > software defined receiver from RF-Space. The Spectra-Vue software is > compatible with the K3. I feeds off the K3's IF and it functions like the > P3 except the spectrum display is on the PC monitor. Within the span it > can also serve as a 2nd or 3rd receiver and the audio from each demodulator > is fed separately to each speaker. When I use Remote Desktop the audio is > passed to my Laptop and when I click on the Taskbar-Speaker icon, the > Spectra-Vue volume control is shown. > > My question is "What is the difference between the Spectra-Vue codec and the > K3 codac? Why is the audio available on the SDR-14 but not on the K3. > > > > ----- > Jack WA9FVP > > Sent from my TRS-80 :-) > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Codecs-and-Remote-Desktop-tp7616124.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sat Apr 9 14:32:29 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 13:32:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] S: Re: Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: References: <2E09F2ED-4E6E-419F-BE18-A493356804C1@gmail.com> <5708317B.7020004@embarqmail.com> <7728871F-4ED6-4D08-8A64-B54ACBF96AA8@rickham.net> Message-ID: <57094ABD.2050305@mediacombb.net> And who gets to fix the radio, under warrantee of course, when this home brewed command line utility bricks the radio? Through this whole discussion I've heard very little from proponents of open sourcing the utilities on this minor little point. Telling isn't it. This could be a profit center for Elecraft now that I think about it. If it were me, I'd charge $1,500 to fix any Elecraft product which has had it's brains blown out by some home brewed and unsupported flash utility. On 4/9/2016 1:13 PM, ei6iz.Brendan Minish wrote: > I think that all most of us would need would be a command line utility that > can be used to update firmware and perhaps back up settings. > Either making this open source or just releasing the protocol spec would be > all that's needed. > This would not require the firmware to be open sourced, it would just mean > that the Elecraft provided firmwares can be uploaded to the radio. > > Icing on the cake would be the ability to make radio backups > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 14:43:49 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 12:43:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] S: Re: Elecraft Utilities Message-ID: Well said, Kevin! This was my initial intent when I started this thread, but you've done a better job of stating the obvious. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Kevin Stover wrote: > And who gets to fix the radio, under warrantee of course, when this home > brewed command line utility bricks the radio? Through this whole discussion I've heard > very little from proponents of open sourcing the utilities on this minor little point. Telling isn't it. This could be a profit center for Elecraft now that I think about it. If it were me, I'd charge $1,500 to fix any Elecraft product which has had it's brains blown out by some home brewed and unsupported flash utility. On 4/9/2016 1:13 PM, ei6iz.Brendan Minish wrote: > I think that all most of us would need would be a command line utility that >> can be used to update firmware and perhaps back up settings. >> Either making this open source or just releasing the protocol spec would >> be >> all that's needed. >> This would not require the firmware to be open sourced, it would just mean >> that the Elecraft provided firmwares can be uploaded to the radio. >> >> Icing on the cake would be the ability to make radio backups >> >> > -- > R. Kevin Stover > AC0H > ARRL > FISTS #11993 > SKCC #215 > NAQCC #3441 > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From k0dxv at aol.com Sat Apr 9 15:38:42 2016 From: k0dxv at aol.com (Doug Person) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 12:38:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] S: Re: Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: <57094ABD.2050305@mediacombb.net> References: <2E09F2ED-4E6E-419F-BE18-A493356804C1@gmail.com> <5708317B.7020004@embarqmail.com> <7728871F-4ED6-4D08-8A64-B54ACBF96AA8@rickham.net> <57094ABD.2050305@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <57095A42.7060102@aol.com> If it works it's not likely to brick the K3. The Utility program has nothing to do with the firmware. Either the connection to the K3 works or it doesn't. Once it works, loading the firmware is not complicated. An awful lot of linux programs have been successfully recompiled to work on the non X86 platforms. The catalog on the Pi is uuugh. So its hard to say how complicated it would be to recompile for the Pi (and others). Could be fairly trivial. All depends on how well it conforms to the standard linux libraries. What linux et, al lacks is a good best practices to guide developers down a path of using a very standard collection of libs that are generally available on 99% of linux distros. Right now it's the wild west and the linux reputation suffers as a result. So, I hope all the Elecraft linux software becomes available for Pi. If not - oh well. Tiny X86 boxes are right around the corner. Doug -- K0DXV On 4/9/2016 11:32 AM, Kevin Stover wrote: > And who gets to fix the radio, under warrantee of course, when this > home brewed command line utility bricks the radio? Through this whole > discussion I've heard very little from proponents of open sourcing the > utilities on this minor little point. Telling isn't it. > > This could be a profit center for Elecraft now that I think about it. > If it were me, I'd charge $1,500 to fix any Elecraft product which has > had it's brains blown out by some home brewed and unsupported flash > utility. > > > > > On 4/9/2016 1:13 PM, ei6iz.Brendan Minish wrote: >> I think that all most of us would need would be a command line >> utility that >> can be used to update firmware and perhaps back up settings. >> Either making this open source or just releasing the protocol spec >> would be >> all that's needed. >> This would not require the firmware to be open sourced, it would just >> mean >> that the Elecraft provided firmwares can be uploaded to the radio. >> >> Icing on the cake would be the ability to make radio backups >> > From brendon at whateley.com Sat Apr 9 16:08:16 2016 From: brendon at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 13:08:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 S/N 8769 with a question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: IIRC, I had a similar problem and ended up basically ignoring it. I tried a bunch of times, but could never quite get it to work the way the instructions expected. I've not had any issues... so I've just left it as is. I am just careful when installing the (rechargeable) batteries to make sure the screw heads can't puncture the battery outer layer. I think that was the risk of the screw heads. - Brendon On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 5:03 AM, Phillip Zminda wrote: > I just completed the build on my new KX3 last night and have it up and > running but ran into one problem with the build. My kit had the errata > sheet with the change in screw length to 2-56 X 1/4 in long for the battery > holders. I could not get the screws started on both ends of either battery > holder. If I got one screw in, the other end was raised up and the other > screw didn?t seem to go through far enough to get the threads started. > After struggling for a while I ended up using one of the 9/32 in screws and > on one of them and a pan-head screw on the other end of each battery > holder. This was just to get the rig completed and tested. I do want to > eventually use batteries on occasion so I do need to fix this. I can see > where the screw heads sticking up can be a risk. > > I am looking for help on getting the battery holders mounted correctly > with the screw heads seated into the plastic. > > Loving the rig, made my 1st QSO with it last night and hoping for some > time with it this weekend. > > Thanks, > > Phil N3ZP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brendon at whateley.com From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sat Apr 9 16:40:14 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 15:40:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] S: Re: Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <570968AE.6090301@mediacombb.net> My perspective comes from the early days of home brewing PC's. In the "good old days" with soldered BIOS EEPROMS and manufacturer approved command line flash utilities it was entirely possible to trash a motherboard. Lose power during a BIOS update or a cosmic ray takes out a section of the chip (I'm only partially kidding) and you got to buy a new motherboard. Your chances were 60/40 at best, a little better than flipping a coin. Next came socketed BIOS where all you had to do after a failed flash was buy a new chip from AMI, Award or Phoenix. These days with dual BIOS chips on board, BIOS backed up to hard drive and GUI flash utilities it's a lot easier to recover from a failed flash and not nearly as expensive, but failures still happen. That's with mobo manufacturer approved and supplied utilities. How many posts do we get here a month from folks who have to do an EEINIT or at the very least re-flash after a failure? If I was Elecraft I would run away from this potential Pandora's Box rapidly. On 4/9/2016 1:43 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Well said, Kevin! > > This was my initial intent when I started this thread, > but you've done a better job of stating the obvious. > > 73! > > Ken Kopp - K0PP > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com Sat Apr 9 16:50:26 2016 From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 21:50:26 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 144, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57096B12.7060406@googlemail.com> On 08/04/16 23:36, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:08:49 -0600 > From: Ken G Kopp > To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net,KX3 at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Wayne and Eric: > > PLEASE don't cave in to the requests of those on the reflectors who are > asking > you to disclose the "genetic makeup" of their radios by publishing the > software > that would enable anyone to modify how a given radio operates. > > I see this as no different than a breeder of a thoroughbred breed of dog > opening > the pen and letting all comers mate with the females. You would end up > with a > "contaminated" breed. > > I envision an increased workload at Elecraft in dealing with the customers > who > manage to "mess up" their radio's "brains" and want help in restoring them > to > the original state. Nothing but non-profit overhead. > > I would be wary ... read "never" ... of buying a used Elecraft product for > fear > that it's genetic makeup had been altered and really wasn't an Elecraft > anymore. > > Perhaps I'm not understanding something ... > > 73! > > Ken Kopp - K0PP > Full K-line, KX3, PX3, KXPA100, K2/100, W2's, etc. Hi. It's not the internal secrets of the radios that is wanting to be revealed, just the ability to run the firmware maintenance utilities (I'd also include the XG3 tool in the list) on a non ix86 platform, such as the Pi. It could be done independently, as it's trivial to intercept the data flowing between the PC and rig, then write from scratch something to do the same. That could then be released as open source so could then be built (compiled) to be used on other platforms. I'm sure there are some reading this list that have the skills (I don't, but I have looked at the serial traffic between rig and software.) In the case of the Pi, it already runs Linux. Plus there are already Linux versions of the K3/KX3 and XG3 tools, but as they are not open source, they can't be built to run on the ARM equipped Pi's or Beagle Bones by us "the paying users" of the equipment. Shame really. It would be relatively easy for the authors concerned to create an ARM compatible Linux version, but that takes time to do and importantly test and perfect, as there are always subtle differences to trip over, that and "They" don't have Pi's or BBB's in their shack's, to test on. A "Command line" version of just the firmware up-loader tool's would indeed be a fine compromise for many. Such things can always be wrapped in a simple GUI or desktop launcher for those who suffer fright of black screens and just text! ;-) The 64/32 bit thing is also possible to overcome, in the same way as x86/ARM cpu compatibility, but that does mean potentially multiple versions of the same tool's! I don't know if the Pi (or BB's) can have a Java run time installed. If so, the Elecraft tools could be ported to Java, then that can be run on anything that supports a JRE. Many many similar tools for other (non radio) and some Ham products are run that way. Anyway, add my name/call to the list of "interested parties" in regards to Pi compatible (however done) Elecraft support tools. 73. Dave G0WBX. From dave at nk7z.net Sat Apr 9 17:37:04 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2016 14:37:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] S: Re: Elecraft Utilities In-Reply-To: <57094ABD.2050305@mediacombb.net> References: <2E09F2ED-4E6E-419F-BE18-A493356804C1@gmail.com> <5708317B.7020004@embarqmail.com> <7728871F-4ED6-4D08-8A64-B54ACBF96AA8@rickham.net> <57094ABD.2050305@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <1460237824.6116.82.camel@nk7z.net> No one said anything about a warranty fix, in fact I mentioned a few days ago that Elecraft might be discovering a profit center... Please expand on just exactly what is so telling? -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sat, 2016-04-09 at 13:32 -0500, Kevin Stover wrote: > And who gets to fix the radio, under warrantee of course, when this > home? > brewed command line utility bricks the radio? Through this whole? > discussion I've heard very little from proponents of open sourcing > the? > utilities on this minor little point. Telling isn't it. > > This could be a profit center for Elecraft now that I think about it. > If? > it were me, I'd charge $1,500 to fix any Elecraft product which has > had? > it's brains blown out by some home brewed and unsupported flash > utility. > > > > > On 4/9/2016 1:13 PM, ei6iz.Brendan Minish wrote: > > > > I think that all most of us would need would be a command line > > utility that > > can be used to update firmware and perhaps back up settings. > > Either making this open source or just releasing the protocol spec > > would be > > all that's needed. > > This would not require the firmware to be open sourced, it would > > just mean > > that the Elecraft provided firmwares can be uploaded??to the radio. > > > > Icing on the cake would be the ability to make radio backups > > From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Apr 9 18:20:01 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 15:20:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-Front Panel switches Message-ID: <57098011.8090306@foothill.net> Thanks to all for the advice, I made a list of things that I will do first, beginning with some archive lookups. Removal/re-install front panel [after some De-Oxit on the pins will be next. We'll see how this goes. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org From joel.b.black at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 19:18:08 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 18:18:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 S/N 8769 with a question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You know, I think the first KX3 I built had that same issue. Mine was because of some extra PCB material left on the PCB but I thought that issue had been resolved. Regardless, I?d wait and see what the tech support folks say. 73, Joel - W4JBB > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 5:03 AM, Phillip Zminda > wrote: > >> I just completed the build on my new KX3 last night and have it up and >> running but ran into one problem with the build. My kit had the errata >> sheet with the change in screw length to 2-56 X 1/4 in long for the battery >> holders. I could not get the screws started on both ends of either battery >> holder. If I got one screw in, the other end was raised up and the other >> screw didn?t seem to go through far enough to get the threads started. >> After struggling for a while I ended up using one of the 9/32 in screws and >> on one of them and a pan-head screw on the other end of each battery >> holder. This was just to get the rig completed and tested. I do want to >> eventually use batteries on occasion so I do need to fix this. I can see >> where the screw heads sticking up can be a risk. >> >> I am looking for help on getting the battery holders mounted correctly >> with the screw heads seated into the plastic. >> >> Loving the rig, made my 1st QSO with it last night and hoping for some >> time with it this weekend. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Phil N3ZP From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sat Apr 9 19:32:20 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 16:32:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Setting RF gain & AGC correctly In-Reply-To: <006501d19233$a77d5010$f677f030$@co.uk> Message-ID: Note that to change some of the AGC settings you must have Tech MD ON. I tried these settings and went back to the stock settings. I think the reasons were: I don't run pileups. I am mostly a S&P contester, and always in the pileup rather than working it for DX. (Just how many people need Santa Clara County CA?), so most of the improvements don't affect me very much. When I'm listening to weak DX, the higher SLP keeps the occasional person who forgets to go into split mode (and the up police) from blasting out my eardrums. My normal background noise on 20M is about S2. (It's about S5 on 160M.) I think this means that I'm not getting AGC from the normal background. BTW, I don't know why my noise levels are so low living in suburbia. I always seem to be a couple of S units weaker than others I hear giving honest signal reports. In any case, I have enough sensitivity to get the band noise, and I can certainly hear a lot of stations which can't hear me. When I run digital modes, I don't have to ride the RF gain to keep the audio signal to the computer below overload, a nice convenience. I will have to try turning AGC off when using the Audio Frequency Peaking feature. With AGC on, it only seems to do a little compared with 50 or 100 HZ on the DSP filter. The DSP filter technique helps suppress slightly off frequency strong signals better too. 73 Bill AE6JV On 4/9/16 at 12:44 AM, gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) wrote: >Following the release of FW v4.51, the consensus within the >[K3-contesting] Yahoo group about the most important settings for DXing >and contesting has been as follows. >* AGC THR: increase to at least 8 (from default = 5) and preferably to >12, and then take some time to become re-accustomed to the increased >range of audio levels [2]. (Some users recommend as high as 14, if your >ears can handle it.) > >* AGC SLP: decrease to 8 or even less (from default = 12). Lower SLP >settings allow stronger signals to sound somewhat louder, and thus more >realistic, but the range of variation will be partly determined by the >THR setting already made; so always experiment with THR first, and with >SLP afterwards. >* AGC DCY = SOFT (not default=NOR). The User Manual claims that "The >SOFT setting can reduce IMD caused by traditional AGC, and is especially >useful in 'pileup' conditions, in some cases making it unnecessary to >turn AGC off." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz |"Insofar as the propositions of mathematics refer to 408-356-8506 | reality, they are not certain; and insofar they are www.pwpconsult.com | certain, they do not refer to reality.? -- Einstein From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Apr 9 20:04:51 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 17:04:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Setting RF gain & AGC correctly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <570998A3.2080604@foothill.net> I left all of Bill's post below for context. Full disclosure - 95% CW My experience parallels Bill's for much the same reasons. My K3 [#642] has had two EEINIT's, and I haven't changed the AGC settings since the second one, 4 or 5 years ago. The K3 AGC parameters are many and have interacting effects. When playing with them, often I was unable to discern a difference between choices, even going very slowly and operating for awhile between changes. I find the APF to be useful with weak signals of course, but also with moderate signals in deep QSB ... with APF I don't lose it completely even though it went to near ESP levels briefly. I have spent some listening time to SM, LA, OH, and the like during auroral events, with rapid, deep QSB, and with AGC off and riding the RF Gain. Given that the propagation under these conditions is essentially a chaotic function, I may ... or have just imagined ... a very subtle improvement over just running RF at max with AGC on. I had to max the AF GAIN on my SX-28 and ride the RF of course, now many years later, I find the stock K3 settings to be close to very good for me. Grizzled Old Engineer advice to an aspiring new engineer [me]: "The fewer the knobs, the less problems from the users." 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 4/9/2016 4:32 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > Note that to change some of the AGC settings you must have Tech MD ON. > > I tried these settings and went back to the stock settings. I think the > reasons were: > > I don't run pileups. I am mostly a S&P contester, and always in the > pileup rather than working it for DX. (Just how many people need Santa > Clara County CA?), so most of the improvements don't affect me very much. > > When I'm listening to weak DX, the higher SLP keeps the occasional > person who forgets to go into split mode (and the up police) from > blasting out my eardrums. > > My normal background noise on 20M is about S2. (It's about S5 on 160M.) > I think this means that I'm not getting AGC from the normal background. > BTW, I don't know why my noise levels are so low living in suburbia. I > always seem to be a couple of S units weaker than others I hear giving > honest signal reports. In any case, I have enough sensitivity to get the > band noise, and I can certainly hear a lot of stations which can't hear me. > > When I run digital modes, I don't have to ride the RF gain to keep the > audio signal to the computer below overload, a nice convenience. > > I will have to try turning AGC off when using the Audio Frequency > Peaking feature. With AGC on, it only seems to do a little compared with > 50 or 100 HZ on the DSP filter. The DSP filter technique helps suppress > slightly off frequency strong signals better too. > > 73 Bill AE6JV From rick at tavan.com Sat Apr 9 21:04:00 2016 From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 18:04:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bogus ERR KEY Conditions? Message-ID: Sometimes when I power up my K3 with my YCCC SO2R Box powered down, the K3 comes up in ERR KEY mode, disallowing transmission and other functions. Usually, powering up the SO2R Box and power cycling the K3 clears the problem. I assumed (erroneously, it turns out) that I had an issue with an indeterminate state on the key out line from the SO2R Box. But the principals at YCCC remind me that those circuits are opto-isolated and quite determinate, even when the box is powered down. They also note that with a recent release of K3 firmware, similar problems are being reported with other keyers connected. They suspect that this old error message may have an additional, new meaning in a recent firmware release, perhaps related to rx/tx timing. I'm not sure, but it has happened frequently in recent weeks, sometimes in the middle of an operating session. It is incurable when I am operating remotely until I visit the site and twiddle key lines. Once it happens, it doesn't clear itself through remote power cycling or anything else I've tried. Any ideas here? Thanks, Rick N6XI -- Rick Tavan Truckee, CA From yv5wz at hotmail.com Sat Apr 9 22:47:37 2016 From: yv5wz at hotmail.com (George_yv5wz) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 19:47:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Blinking amber Light Message-ID: <1460256457829-7616141.post@n2.nabble.com> I am newbie with KX3....Mine doesnt have keyer paddle....so It has two little hole for screws to fit the KXPD3 ...I got surprise cause After turn KX3 off .....I can see a little ambar light bliking through left hole.....is it normal? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Blinking-amber-Light-tp7616141.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From alorona at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 9 23:08:48 2016 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 03:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] When do I need atten or preamp? References: <1876112178.88125.1460257728937.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1876112178.88125.1460257728937.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I ran several simulations of the K3 receiver using Genesys (from Keysight Technologies) to find out how to use the attenuator and preamp optimally. An article by Jim Fisk W1HR appeared in October 1975 in ham radio magazine where he gave the acceptable noise figure (NF) for a receiver on each HF band (excluding WARC bands, which didn't exist at the time). For instance, on 80 meters your receiver can have a NF as high as 37 dB (because the external noise level is so high), on 40 the acceptable NF is 27 dB, on 20 it's 24 dB, etc. Going by the K3 block diagram in the Owner's Manual, I made a number of assumptions so my numbers are undoubtedly off by a couple of dB (probably in the pessimistic direction). I also assumed a CW filter of 500 Hz, noise blanker off, and an outdoor antenna like a dipole. I modeled everything up to and including the 2nd IF amp. I included synthesizer phase noise. Let's talk about 80 meters. As you would expect, even with the 10 dB attenuator switched in the K3 has more than enough sensitivity. Since it's not possible to hear signals below the external noise floor, it doesn't buy you anything to have more sensitivity than the noise floor. In fact, you could have up to 21 dB of attenuation and it would still be totally adequate, so K3S owners can use all of their 15 dB if they want to. And definitely DO NOT ever turn on your preamp on 80; the only time this would be permissible is when using a small receiving loop direct into the RX ANT. On 40, having the 10 dB attenuator in (and preamp out, of course) is still right on the good side of sensitivity. So, kick in your attenuator on 40 with a clear conscience... your receiver will be quiet, but not deaf. Additional loss will just begin to affect you on 40, but only if you're in the habit of listening for signals right at the noise floor. On 20, the 5 dB attenuator would be okay to use. Again, this is where K3S owners have a little more flexibility. If you have a K3 don't use the attenuator, unless you want to. The preamp really isn't needed until you get to 10 meters, according to my simulations. Using it below 10 meters is just asking for unnecessary noise! On SSB, the margins are even better [by 7 dB] because of the wider 2.7 kHz bandwidth. And if the HF bands are noisier nowadays than in 1975 due to plasma TVs, wireless devices and SMPSs, the K3 would have even more margin than I have presented here. Al W6LX From d6rep at live.com Sat Apr 9 23:23:43 2016 From: d6rep at live.com (Don Strom) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 22:23:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Operating remotely via Direct TV satellite provider Message-ID: Is anyone operating their K3 remotely using a satellite provider. I believe I heard that is not possible with satellite internet at the remote site? Something to do with the way the audio is passed via the internet connection. Don W0EAR Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From k0dxv at aol.com Sat Apr 9 23:26:18 2016 From: k0dxv at aol.com (Doug Person) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 20:26:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 144, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <57096B12.7060406@googlemail.com> References: <57096B12.7060406@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <5709C7DA.5030606@aol.com> The Pi and BB can indeed run Java and pretty much anything else that normally runs on linux. Doug -- K0DXV On 4/9/2016 1:50 PM, Dave B via Elecraft wrote: > On 08/04/16 23:36, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: >> Message: 8 >> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:08:49 -0600 >> From: Ken G Kopp >> To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net,KX3 at yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Utilities >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Wayne and Eric: >> >> PLEASE don't cave in to the requests of those on the reflectors who are >> asking >> you to disclose the "genetic makeup" of their radios by publishing the >> software >> that would enable anyone to modify how a given radio operates. >> >> I see this as no different than a breeder of a thoroughbred breed of dog >> opening >> the pen and letting all comers mate with the females. You would end up >> with a >> "contaminated" breed. >> >> I envision an increased workload at Elecraft in dealing with the >> customers >> who >> manage to "mess up" their radio's "brains" and want help in restoring >> them >> to >> the original state. Nothing but non-profit overhead. >> >> I would be wary ... read "never" ... of buying a used Elecraft >> product for >> fear >> that it's genetic makeup had been altered and really wasn't an Elecraft >> anymore. >> >> Perhaps I'm not understanding something ... >> >> 73! >> >> Ken Kopp - K0PP >> Full K-line, KX3, PX3, KXPA100, K2/100, W2's, etc. > Hi. > > It's not the internal secrets of the radios that is wanting to be > revealed, just the ability to run the firmware maintenance utilities > (I'd also include the XG3 tool in the list) on a non ix86 platform, > such as the Pi. > > It could be done independently, as it's trivial to intercept the data > flowing between the PC and rig, then write from scratch something to > do the same. That could then be released as open source so could > then be built (compiled) to be used on other platforms. I'm sure > there are some reading this list that have the skills (I don't, but I > have looked at the serial traffic between rig and software.) > > In the case of the Pi, it already runs Linux. Plus there are already > Linux versions of the K3/KX3 and XG3 tools, but as they are not open > source, they can't be built to run on the ARM equipped Pi's or Beagle > Bones by us "the paying users" of the equipment. Shame really. > > It would be relatively easy for the authors concerned to create an ARM > compatible Linux version, but that takes time to do and importantly > test and perfect, as there are always subtle differences to trip over, > that and "They" don't have Pi's or BBB's in their shack's, to test on. > > A "Command line" version of just the firmware up-loader tool's would > indeed be a fine compromise for many. Such things can always be > wrapped in a simple GUI or desktop launcher for those who suffer > fright of black screens and just text! ;-) > > The 64/32 bit thing is also possible to overcome, in the same way as > x86/ARM cpu compatibility, but that does mean potentially multiple > versions of the same tool's! > > I don't know if the Pi (or BB's) can have a Java run time installed. > If so, the Elecraft tools could be ported to Java, then that can be > run on anything that supports a JRE. Many many similar tools for > other (non radio) and some Ham products are run that way. > > Anyway, add my name/call to the list of "interested parties" in > regards to Pi compatible (however done) Elecraft support tools. > > 73. > > Dave G0WBX. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > From ron at cobi.biz Sat Apr 9 23:27:13 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 20:27:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bogus ERR KEY Conditions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601d192d8$e0300650$a09012f0$@biz> I'd look at the resistance to ground through the opto-isolator with power off. I have seen some that are rather "leaky" - it is just a transistor after all, one that is biased on by light instead of current. Obviously if it has detectable leakage it could be convincing the K3 that a key line is grounded. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Tavan Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2016 6:04 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Bogus ERR KEY Conditions? Sometimes when I power up my K3 with my YCCC SO2R Box powered down, the K3 comes up in ERR KEY mode, disallowing transmission and other functions. Usually, powering up the SO2R Box and power cycling the K3 clears the problem. I assumed (erroneously, it turns out) that I had an issue with an indeterminate state on the key out line from the SO2R Box. But the principals at YCCC remind me that those circuits are opto-isolated and quite determinate, even when the box is powered down. They also note that with a recent release of K3 firmware, similar problems are being reported with other keyers connected. They suspect that this old error message may have an additional, new meaning in a recent firmware release, perhaps related to rx/tx timing. I'm not sure, but it has happened frequently in recent weeks, sometimes in the middle of an operating session. It is incurable when I am operating remotely until I visit the site and twiddle key lines. Once it happens, it doesn't clear itself through remote power cycling or anything else I've tried. Any ideas here? Thanks, Rick N6XI -- Rick Tavan Truckee, CA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From k0dxv at aol.com Sat Apr 9 23:27:42 2016 From: k0dxv at aol.com (Doug Person) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 20:27:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Operating remotely via Direct TV satellite provider In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5709C82E.7000109@aol.com> The main problem is latency. It can affect audio spending on how it is buffered. Doug -- K0DXV On 4/9/2016 8:23 PM, Don Strom wrote: > Is anyone operating their K3 remotely using a satellite provider. > > I believe I heard that is not possible with satellite internet at the remote site? > > Something to do with the way the audio is passed via the internet connection. > > Don W0EAR > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sat Apr 9 23:40:21 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 20:40:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] When do I need atten or preamp? In-Reply-To: <1876112178.88125.1460257728937.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This statement may not be true if you are using the weak signal modes which allow reception to as much as 20 dB below the noise floor. With these modes, you will still need to receive the signal. (These modes work because the signal isn't random but the noise is. By averaging the signal and noise, the noise tends to cancel out while the signal comes through.) 73 Bill AE6JV On 4/10/16 at 8:08 PM, alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) wrote: >Since it's not possible to hear signals below the external >noise floor, it doesn't buy you anything to have more >sensitivity than the noise floor. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? From d6rep at live.com Sat Apr 9 23:51:16 2016 From: d6rep at live.com (Don Strom) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 22:51:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Ignore my previous post on Satellite Internet Message-ID: DSL internet is available at my remote site. It is only 10MBPS speed. I believe that is the minimum speed for remote radio so might not work that well at that speed. Don W0EAR Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Sat Apr 9 23:53:09 2016 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 20:53:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Operating remotely via Direct TV satellite provider In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5709CE25.5080003@cis-broadband.com> Not sure about the audio, but I think latency would be the bigger issue. I had satellite internet (essentially Hughes. net) for about three years before a wireless ISP opened shop in our area. My typical pings were on the order of 1300-1500 msec. I don't think you'd want to live with that for anything other than casual ragchewing. Dave AB7E On 4/9/2016 8:23 PM, Don Strom wrote: > Is anyone operating their K3 remotely using a satellite provider. > > I believe I heard that is not possible with satellite internet at the remote site? > > Something to do with the way the audio is passed via the internet connection. > > Don W0EAR > > From cf at cfcorp.com Sun Apr 10 00:03:26 2016 From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 21:03:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Operating remotely via Direct TV satellite provider In-Reply-To: <5709CE25.5080003@cis-broadband.com> References: <5709CE25.5080003@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <01d201d192dd$efd5a9c0$cf80fd40$@com> Yes, the signal has to travel ~22,300 miles x 2 (up and down). 73, Cliff K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 8:53 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Operating remotely via Direct TV satellite provider Not sure about the audio, but I think latency would be the bigger issue. I had satellite internet (essentially Hughes. net) for about three years before a wireless ISP opened shop in our area. My typical pings were on the order of 1300-1500 msec. I don't think you'd want to live with that for anything other than casual ragchewing. Dave AB7E On 4/9/2016 8:23 PM, Don Strom wrote: > Is anyone operating their K3 remotely using a satellite provider. > > I believe I heard that is not possible with satellite internet at the remote site? > > Something to do with the way the audio is passed via the internet connection. > > Don W0EAR > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cf at cfcorp.com From k7sss at aol.com Sun Apr 10 01:00:00 2016 From: k7sss at aol.com (k7sss at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 01:00:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Blinking amber Light Message-ID: <1137df.3b03ca3a.443b37d0@aol.com> Hi The led is part of the battery charger/RTC circuits. It tells you the clock is running. The was a more complete explanation a long time ago on the Reflector when the charger/RTC was started to be shipped. 73 Jim H K7SSS In a message dated 4/9/2016 7:51:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, yv5wz at hotmail.com writes: I am newbie with KX3....Mine doesnt have keyer paddle....so It has two little hole for screws to fit the KXPD3 ...I got surprise cause After turn KX3 off .....I can see a little ambar light bliking through left hole.....is it normal? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Blinking-amber-Light-tp7616141.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k7sss at aol.com From yv5wz at hotmail.com Sun Apr 10 01:27:36 2016 From: yv5wz at hotmail.com (George_yv5wz) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 22:27:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Blinking amber Light In-Reply-To: <1137df.3b03ca3a.443b37d0@aol.com> References: <1460256457829-7616141.post@n2.nabble.com> <1137df.3b03ca3a.443b37d0@aol.com> Message-ID: <1460266056804-7616151.post@n2.nabble.com> Hey Jim!! Thank you! I appreciate the time you took for answer me I was really concern about that led blinking.....Now I may sleep ...hahahaha Greetings from Venezuela, and 73's George YV5WZ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Blinking-amber-Light-tp7616141p7616151.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From droese at necg.de Sun Apr 10 03:17:08 2016 From: droese at necg.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Oliver_Dr=c3=b6se?=) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 09:17:08 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Ignore my previous post on Satellite Internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5709FDF4.40006@necg.de> Don, bandwidth is not the problem, you can run a remote reliably on a 128 kBit/s connection (been there, done that). The problem with satellite internet is latency! For remote you want to stay below 100 ms RTT (round trip time), better yet below 70 ms for a smooth experience. With satellite you're talking about > 1 sec RTT which is just unusable for remote. 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 10.04.2016 um 05:51 schrieb Don Strom: > DSL internet is available at my remote site. It is only 10MBPS speed. > > I believe that is the minimum speed for remote radio so might not work that well at that speed. > > Don W0EAR > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de > From PKA at telepost.gl Sun Apr 10 04:22:25 2016 From: PKA at telepost.gl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Poul_Erik_Karlsh=F8j_=28PKA=29?=) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 08:22:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Ignore my previous post on Satellite Internet In-Reply-To: <5709FDF4.40006@necg.de> References: , <5709FDF4.40006@necg.de> Message-ID: <453E0145-BE08-4D4D-830D-82668EAB4A6F@telepost.gl> Don My experience is that the biggest problem would be jitter. Oli is correct that you can operate RC over a 128 kbps link. But you can also operate RC over fairly high latency links - it wont give you a "smooth" feeling when tuning across the band- the VFO dial will seem to be connected via a rubber band. But it is something you (some at least - and I for one) can adapt to. I have tried it extensively over the years, started using RC over 10years ago. I would not call it unusable if the alternative is nil. If you have alternatives its another matter. I have QSOed with this iPad from a Norwegian flight (from EA8 to OZ) and while it was not too "smooth" it was definitely useful and a lot of fun. But if you have high jitter it is my experience that RC does not work satisfactorily. At least the software must be written with high jitter in mind. If not, the software may drop out frequently driving you crazy and its my experience that VoIP based on TCP/IP will not work well. My guess is that with a 10 Mbps connection you are likely to have low jitter and you will be just fine. Your XYL can enjoy streaming video on the same link with no problem and you wont have any "local QRM" during your QSOs. Have fun! 73 de OZ4UN Poul-Erik Sent from my iPad > On 10 Apr 2016, at 09:17, Oliver Dr?se wrote: > > Don, > > bandwidth is not the problem, you can run a remote reliably on a 128 kBit/s connection (been there, done that). The problem with satellite internet is latency! For remote you want to stay below 100 ms RTT (round trip time), better yet below 70 ms for a smooth experience. With satellite you're talking about > 1 sec RTT which is just unusable for remote. > > 73, Olli - DH8BQA > > Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de > > >> Am 10.04.2016 um 05:51 schrieb Don Strom: >> DSL internet is available at my remote site. It is only 10MBPS speed. >> >> I believe that is the minimum speed for remote radio so might not work that well at that speed. >> >> Don W0EAR >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to droese at necg.de >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pka at tele.gl From jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com Sun Apr 10 05:59:03 2016 From: jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com (John Langdon) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 04:59:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Minimum bandwidth? Message-ID: <003601d1930f$9cd82ae0$d68880a0$@austin.rr.com> At my remote transmitter site, I have 10 mbps 'down' and 1.2 mbps 'up' and everything works fine. I expect that 1.2 mbps both directions would work, but have not actually tried on a connection like that. 73 John N5CQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Strom Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2016 10:51 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Ignore my previous post on Satellite Internet DSL internet is available at my remote site. It is only 10MBPS speed. I believe that is the minimum speed for remote radio so might not work that well at that speed. Don W0EAR Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com From pincon at erols.com Sun Apr 10 07:39:50 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 07:39:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Operating remotely via Direct TV satellite provider In-Reply-To: <5709CE25.5080003@cis-broadband.com> References: <5709CE25.5080003@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <002001d1931d$b58e1fa0$20aa5ee0$@erols.com> You can't violate the laws of nature. That satellite is 24,000 miles up, so every time you access the net, there's an absolute minimum of a ? second delay before you see the response on your screen. Since light travels at 186,000 miles per second, you're stuck with the time delay of four trips equaling a tad under 100,000 miles. I typically get 10 to 20 MB speed on Exede satellite, but that ? sec makes it seem much slower. (My only alternative is 56k land line which I would find totally obnoxious to have to go back to.) 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Gilbert Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 11:53 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Operating remotely via Direct TV satellite provider Not sure about the audio, but I think latency would be the bigger issue. I had satellite internet (essentially Hughes. net) for about three years before a wireless ISP opened shop in our area. My typical pings were on the order of 1300-1500 msec. I don't think you'd want to live with that for anything other than casual ragchewing. Dave AB7E On 4/9/2016 8:23 PM, Don Strom wrote: > Is anyone operating their K3 remotely using a satellite provider. > > I believe I heard that is not possible with satellite internet at the remote site? > > Something to do with the way the audio is passed via the internet connection. > > Don W0EAR > > __________________________________________________ ____________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From phil-z at comcast.net Sun Apr 10 10:34:07 2016 From: phil-z at comcast.net (Phillip Zminda) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 10:34:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 S/N 8769 with a question Message-ID: <80ECB452-D1C5-4A00-942A-74ADDCEBAB62@comcast.net> I used a small drill bit to countersink the holes as Ken suggested and also got a better screwdriver. I was able to get the 1/4 in screws down flush. Thanks for the help. Phil N3ZP From yv5wz at hotmail.com Sun Apr 10 12:41:03 2016 From: yv5wz at hotmail.com (George_yv5wz) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 09:41:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 Message-ID: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm thinking to go QRP to South of Brasil with my new KX3 and I'm looking for doing JT65 What Soundcard interface would you recommend? I appreciate your answers 73, George, YV5WZ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-s-best-Soundcard-Interface-for-KX3-tp7616157.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sun Apr 10 12:51:27 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 09:51:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Minimum bandwidth? In-Reply-To: <003601d1930f$9cd82ae0$d68880a0$@austin.rr.com> References: <003601d1930f$9cd82ae0$d68880a0$@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <570A848F.6000709@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Ignore the faster speed, it's the slower speed on non-symmetric service. The key question is always latency. You can check out a VoIP calculator if you want to play the numbers, but most VoIP (and most cellular service) run around 8 kilobits/second. No one offers IDSL service anymore, but it'd work beautifully at 128k (symmetric) with bandwidth to spare. Where the problem lies is in the way the line is provisioned. Where I live, there is only one provider that's worthwhile, the local telco.simply doesn't have enough bandwidth from the local central office to their first router. The cable company doesn't admit they have service, even though there is a drop to the house. That doesn't stop the Telco from selling 7 megabit service -- over and over and over. So, sometimes I get 7 millisecond pings. A lot of the time it's single digits, but every minute it'll jump over 500 msec. Right now it's averaging about 250 msec, and the maximum has been 998 msec. I've seen more than 4000 msec. (4 seconds). Imagine trying to snag some amazing DX, and having the audio just stop for four seconds. I could buy a faster wire, but they won't add bandwidth from the C.O. to the rest of the internet, so the latency would be the same. I'd buy slower if they offered it. 73 -- Lynn On 4/10/2016 2:59 AM, John Langdon wrote: > At my remote transmitter site, I have 10 mbps 'down' and 1.2 mbps 'up' and > everything works fine. From eric at elecraft.com Sun Apr 10 12:53:07 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 09:53:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3 Linux Utilities for Raspberry In-Reply-To: <57084876.8040707@socal.rr.com> References: <01ac01d191b9$85083560$8f18a020$@net> <5707EE2D.7020502@socal.rr.com> <57084876.8040707@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Guys, this thread was closed several days ago. Please see my list posting on this topic 73, Eric Moderator elecraft.com --- Sent from my iPhone 6S > On Apr 8, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > > >> On 4/8/16 4:45 PM, Brendon Whateley wrote: >> Phil, >> >> With all due respect, your use case is clearly different from those of us >> who are so enthusiastic. I've not had a Windows PC since XP was a new >> thing, and I have no interest in going back to Windows. Our house is all >> MacBook Pro and various Linux machines, including a growing number of RPi. >> So the fact that you are happy with running Windows on a Mac is unrelated >> to the fact that I want to dedicate a RPi to the shack duties and have >> another in my Go Box so that I can literally grab my KX3 and hit the road >> without messing with computer stuff. That way the shack RPi can be >> permanently attached to its monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. And the Go Box >> can be configured for a small bluetooth keyboard/mouse device I have. >> >> The RPi has the needed power for this use, and at $35 I can have several >> for different locations as needed -- something I am not prepared to do with >> MacBooks. >> >> What this thread is showing is that there is a growing number of people who >> feel that a RPi is a perfect solution for this use case, and if not that, >> then some other Linux machine. We are hoping that Elecraft will open source >> the utilities so that folks such as myself can help make this a reality. > I suspect open sourcing the utilities would be a mistake. >> >> Commenting on a thread to say "this doesn't apply to me, so I don't see why >> anybody else would care" is a little self centered and leads to an >> unfortunate tone which is so common in HAM communities -- it discourages >> new hams such as myself from getting involved, or asking questions. >> >> Regards, >> - Brendon >> KK6AYI > > Eric closed this thread, but I must reply since you put words in quotation marks which I never wrote ("this doesn't apply to me, so I don't see why anybody else would care") -- very disingenuous and misleading of you, and amazing that you would do so. > > What I did say was "as a shack computer the idea of a separate computer unit plus monitor plus keyboard seems a bit of a kluge." and nothing you said relates to that statement. > > I also said: > > "So I just don't get all the enthusiasm for using an RPi (or BBB) as the > shack computer to support the Elecraft utilities, etc. No problem with > Linux (which I can run on the MBAir, and do run on my RPi2), just with the > physical arrangement." > > and part of your reply did address that. > > But inventing quotations which I did not say: Truly Troubling. > > Phil W7OX > > >> >>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >>> >>> Regarding the RPi, I like experimenting with it but as a shack computer >>> the idea of a separate computer unit plus monitor plus keyboard seems a bit >>> of a kluge. >>> >>> Just now my shack computer is an 11" 2010 MacBook Air with 250GB SSD. It >>> runs both Windows 10 and OS X 10.11.4, so I can use the many ham apps (such >>> as EZNEC) unique to Windows and not requiring too much computing power. A >>> real plus is that it can sit in front of my K3 or KX3 and I can still see >>> the rig's front panel over the top of the computer's monitor -- and the >>> monitor is plenty large enough for the digital modes, and the keyboard is >>> full size. >>> >>> My most compact RPi set up now is an RP2 with a small keyboard with >>> trackpad and a 7" HDMI monitor. Due to the separate boxes that takes up >>> more space than the 11" MacBook Air, while having a smaller-than-normal >>> keyboard and a screen which is a challenge to use. >>> >>> So I just don't get all the enthusiasm for using an RPi (or BBB) as the >>> shack computer to support the Elecraft utilities, etc. No problem with >>> Linux (which I can run on the MBAir, and do run on my RPi2), just with the >>> physical arrangement. >>> >>> 73, Phil W7OX >>> >>> >>>> On 4/8/16 10:10 AM, Roger Klein wrote: >>>> >>>> Add me as well for running on the Pi, this would be useful to have. >>>> >>>> >>>> Roger N5RWK > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From n7rjn at nobis.net Sun Apr 10 13:18:03 2016 From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 10:18:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <52ABFCD2-2676-4691-AE8A-2B795C58B4DC@nobis.net> For portable operations with my KX3, I use the SignaLink USB, mainly because of its small size. There are better performing sound cards, but for compactness and ease of use the SignaLink works for me when I travel. 73, Bob Nobis - N7RJN n7rjn at nobis.net > On Apr 10, 2016, at 09:41, George_yv5wz wrote: > > I'm thinking to go QRP to South of Brasil with my new KX3 > and I'm looking for doing JT65 > What Soundcard interface would you recommend? > > I appreciate your answers > > > 73, George, YV5WZ > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-s-best-Soundcard-Interface-for-KX3-tp7616157.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7rjn at nobis.net > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 10 13:22:18 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 13:22:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> George, You may not need any interface at all. You may be able to use the internal soundcard in your computer. If you do that, turn off sounds generated by your computer OS. The other alternative is an inexpensive external soundcard. Use VOX to transmit instead of PTT. It simplifies the connections. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/10/2016 12:41 PM, George_yv5wz wrote: > I'm thinking to go QRP to South of Brasil with my new KX3 > and I'm looking for doing JT65 > What Soundcard interface would you recommend? > > From yv5wz at hotmail.com Sun Apr 10 14:09:57 2016 From: yv5wz at hotmail.com (George_yv5wz) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 11:09:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> Thank you Don! So you mean I don't need to buy anything just my laptop....that's interesting! however, I'm kind of confuse....why so many brands of expensive interface sound card....does it represent any better signal or any using interface ?....I mean 100 Box (signlink) against simple USB soundcard (12 box) .....does it really matter? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-s-best-Soundcard-Interface-for-KX3-tp7616157p7616162.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave at nk7z.net Sun Apr 10 14:16:41 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 11:16:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Band Conditions web page up... Message-ID: <1460312201.9423.9.camel@nk7z.net> Hi, For those using their K3's for DX, I have the band conditions page back up again... ?Shows current band conditions based on spot count graphically, for all bands, (160-6), and all US CQ Zones, (3, 4, and 5), updated every 10 minutes, and showing history. ?Click a graph to go to more data on that band and zone. http://nk7z.net/band-conditions/ -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sun Apr 10 14:19:22 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 11:19:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570A992A.4050002@roadrunner.com> My whole KX3 station, antenna wire and all, fits in an ammo can. The Creative Labs SB X-Fi Go! fits in just fine along with a couple of 3.5mm m-m cables. The X-Fi is a small USB dongle, about the size of a flash drive. It's a good compromise between size and performance, and it isn't expensive. 73! matt W6NIA On 4/10/2016 9:41 AM, George_yv5wz wrote: > I'm thinking to go QRP to South of Brasil with my new KX3 > and I'm looking for doing JT65 > What Soundcard interface would you recommend? > > I appreciate your answers > > > 73, George, YV5WZ > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-s-best-Soundcard-Interface-for-KX3-tp7616157.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein From kevinr at coho.net Sun Apr 10 14:23:14 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 11:23:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <570A9A12.3080707@coho.net> Good Morning, After a week of sunny, hot weather things have gotten back to normal - cloudy with chance of drizzle. Propagation has improved slightly from last week with the solar flux rising above 100. The hummingbirds were doing their best to eat all the biting flies but now they're back at the feeder. They enjoy my new antenna as a resting spot. Please join us at: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 10 14:56:03 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 14:56:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570AA1C3.10702@embarqmail.com> George, You laptop may have only a mono input for the mic/line-in, but for digital modes, only one channel is used, so it should work - just be sure to turn off sounds from your OS so those are not transmitted on the air. A simple and inexpensive USB soundcard can eliminate the problem of sounds from the OS. Just make certain the USB soundcard is *not* the default sound device. For digital modes, you do not need an expensive interface. Yes, some provide ready made cables to connect with your radio, some have galvanic isolation on the audio lines, and some provide PTT to the transceiver, but VOX works just great with the KX3 for digital modes (you don't need PTT). The big difference between soundcards (including those built into interface boxes) for digital modes is the noise floor of the soundcard. You mentioned Signalink, and while popular, it is not the best interface available. Try your laptop internal soundcard before buying anything else, it may be all you need. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/10/2016 2:09 PM, George_yv5wz wrote: > Thank you Don! > > So you mean I don't need to buy anything just my laptop....that's > interesting! > > however, I'm kind of confuse....why so many brands of expensive interface > sound card....does it represent any better signal or any using interface > ?....I mean 100 Box (signlink) against simple USB soundcard (12 box) > .....does it really matter? > > From n7rjn at nobis.net Sun Apr 10 15:01:20 2016 From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 12:01:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7183115A-B936-4127-96A9-F9872BB804F2@nobis.net> George, Many laptops do not have a good quality built-in sound cards. Their performance for very weak signals typically is not as good as using an external sound card. You might want to test your internal PC sound card before you go to Brazil. If your internal sound card is able to consistently decode JT65 signals at levels below -19dB (for example -20 to -26 dB) it is probably acceptable. You might wish to review Jim Brown?s (K9YC) Tutorial on sound cards: http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf 73, Bob Nobis - N7RJN n7rjn at nobis.net > On Apr 10, 2016, at 11:09, George_yv5wz wrote: > > Thank you Don! > > So you mean I don't need to buy anything just my laptop....that's > interesting! > > however, I'm kind of confuse....why so many brands of expensive interface > sound card....does it represent any better signal or any using interface > ?....I mean 100 Box (signlink) against simple USB soundcard (12 box) > .....does it really matter? > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-s-best-Soundcard-Interface-for-KX3-tp7616157p7616162.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7rjn at nobis.net > From crustacean at brig-elec.com Sun Apr 10 16:12:12 2016 From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:12:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <570AA1C3.10702@embarqmail.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <570AA1C3.10702@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1460319132.3018.10.camel@arabica> On the topic of sound cards, I was wondering what the advantages are to using the IQ output of the KX3 as opposed to feeding the headphone jack into the input of the soundcard? I believe the IQ output requires stereo input to work, but what are the advantages? I have seen on this list quite a few people with radios that have an IQ output still use the headphone output to decode the digital modes. I am under the impression that the PX3 can display a 200KHz slice of the RF spectrum using the IQ outputs whereas the best I can get out of fldigi is about 4KHz. Is there any way to coerce fldigi to display a wider chunk of the band? I am running fldigi on Linux. John KD8CIV On Sun, 2016-04-10 at 14:56 -0400, Don Wilhelm wrote: > George, > > You laptop may have only a mono input for the mic/line-in, but for > digital modes, only one channel is used, so it should work - just be > sure to turn off sounds from your OS so those are not transmitted on the > air. > > A simple and inexpensive USB soundcard can eliminate the problem of > sounds from the OS. Just make certain the USB soundcard is *not* the > default sound device. > > For digital modes, you do not need an expensive interface. Yes, some > provide ready made cables to connect with your radio, some have galvanic > isolation on the audio lines, and some provide PTT to the transceiver, > but VOX works just great with the KX3 for digital modes (you don't need > PTT). > > The big difference between soundcards (including those built into > interface boxes) for digital modes is the noise floor of the soundcard. > You mentioned Signalink, and while popular, it is not the best interface > available. > > Try your laptop internal soundcard before buying anything else, it may > be all you need. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 4/10/2016 2:09 PM, George_yv5wz wrote: > > Thank you Don! > > > > So you mean I don't need to buy anything just my laptop....that's > > interesting! > > > > however, I'm kind of confuse....why so many brands of expensive interface > > sound card....does it represent any better signal or any using interface > > ?....I mean 100 Box (signlink) against simple USB soundcard (12 box) > > .....does it really matter? > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com > From ronc at sonic.net Sun Apr 10 16:54:47 2016 From: ronc at sonic.net (Ron Castro) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 13:54:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RJ-45 connector on K3/0 Mini Message-ID: <018601d1936b$38294eb0$a87bec10$@sonic.net> I noticed an RJ-45 connector on the bottom panel of the K3/0 Mini but I can't find any documentation about what it's for. Anyone on the reflector know? Thanks, Ron Castro N6IE www.N6IE.com Member: ARRL Redwood Empire DX Assn. Northern California Contest Club Northern California DX Foundation Society of Broadcast Engineers From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 10 17:13:33 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 17:13:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <1460319132.3018.10.camel@arabica> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <570AA1C3.10702@embarqmail.com> <1460319132.3018.10.camel@arabica> Message-ID: <570AC1FD.1000800@embarqmail.com> John, That is mixing apples and oranges. The RX I/Q is a quadrature output that can be used as input to a panadapter software application or to the PX3. Yes, it requires stereo for those applications. They can display up to a 200 kHz slice of the band (if the bandwidth of the soundcard is great enough) and can produce either a real time spectrum display or a waterfall (signals over time) or both. That is *only* display - there is no decoding of signals. Decoding of digital mode signals requires only one channel to an application for decoding (and transmitting) the audio tones of the transceiver output when that transceiver is tuned to one or more digital stations. The main purpose of that software application is to decode digital signals. Yes, those applications contain a waterfall display so you can identify a particular station and click on it to tune to it (and decode it). Theoretically, one channel of the RX I/Q could be routed to the digital software application running on the computer, but the bandwidth would be restricted to whatever width that application is designed to handle (4kHz or less). But, the problem is the level available from the RX I/Q is too low to adequately drive those software applications. So bottom line -- if you are using a digital mode software application, use the headphone output to drive one channel of the soundcard (typically the left channel). If you are driving a soundcard for a panadapter display, use the RX I/Q output. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/10/2016 4:12 PM, John Pitz wrote: > On the topic of sound cards, I was wondering what the advantages are to > using the IQ output of the KX3 as opposed to feeding the headphone jack > into the input of the soundcard? I believe the IQ output requires > stereo input to work, but what are the advantages? I have seen on this > list quite a few people with radios that have an IQ output still use the > headphone output to decode the digital modes. I am under the impression > that the PX3 can display a 200KHz slice of the RF spectrum using the IQ > outputs whereas the best I can get out of fldigi is about 4KHz. Is > there any way to coerce fldigi to display a wider chunk of the band? I > am running fldigi on Linux. > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 10 17:15:18 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 17:15:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RJ-45 connector on K3/0 Mini In-Reply-To: <018601d1936b$38294eb0$a87bec10$@sonic.net> References: <018601d1936b$38294eb0$a87bec10$@sonic.net> Message-ID: <570AC266.2070406@embarqmail.com> Factory test. Will it be used for something in the future? The answer is "maybe". 73, Don W3FPR On 4/10/2016 4:54 PM, Ron Castro wrote: > I noticed an RJ-45 connector on the bottom panel of the K3/0 Mini but I > can't find any documentation about what it's for. Anyone on the reflector > know? > > From sq5csf at elektroda.net Sun Apr 10 17:17:05 2016 From: sq5csf at elektroda.net (Tom SQ5CSF) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 23:17:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Elecraft] Strange K3's issues In-Reply-To: <452170608.2640874.1460322973060.JavaMail.zimbra@elektroda.net> Message-ID: <1375238303.2640880.1460323025108.JavaMail.zimbra@elektroda.net> Hello everybody, I have a strange issues in my K3. Maybe someone has had similar symptoms and may help me... chronology of my actions with K3 - from the begining K3 was never opened, worked fine. - 2015-06 - KXV3 installation - 144 QSO made in this period time - no issues. - 2015-12-31 Last firmware upgrade (5.38/1.25/2.86) - 26 QSO made in this period time - in January - no issues - SPDX contest (2016-04-02)- in my contest location - first operational problems. During the contest I have made about 40 qso. Many radio restart have been made to be able to work at all... symptoms: when I have pressed mic's PTT, TX led switch ON but there were no power output. The same situation was when I have used footswitch or playback message option. After few pressing of the PTT output power appeared. Next point was the AUT - time of the tuning was tottaly differen between next tunes. Next point - AF gain controls for main receiver. Radio was not reading the knob position to change the volume. Band change removed this issue for some time. - Home station - 2016-04-10 Previous problems disappear, now i have a problem with the K3 power off. It's look like not complete internal procedure. whole firmwares were reloaded - issues still exist. configuration was restored from 2015-08 - issues still exist. Older firmwares were downloaded - issues still exist. Actual firmwares were downloaded with last saved configuration - issues still exist. - next point - when I switch on my Diamond power supply - K3 power on automatically. Some shots made by mobile You can have a look on vimeo: https://vimeo.com/162290764 I will be grateful for any comments / tips Tom SQ5CSF From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sun Apr 10 17:17:54 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:17:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <1460319132.3018.10.camel@arabica> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <570AA1C3.10702@embarqmail.com> <1460319132.3018.10.camel@arabica> Message-ID: <570AC302.2010509@mediacombb.net> The IQ outputs are for displaying the received spectrum on a pan adapter like the PX3 or other spectrum display software like NaP3 through the sound card in the computer. The audio output at the headphone jack is for feeding audio to digital mode software like FLDigi or MixW to work modes like PSK31, RTTY and JT65/9. FLDigi, MixW, or WSJT/x wouldn't know what to do with an IQ output. On 4/10/2016 3:12 PM, John Pitz wrote: > On the topic of sound cards, I was wondering what the advantages are to > using the IQ output of the KX3 as opposed to feeding the headphone jack > into the input of the soundcard? I believe the IQ output requires > stereo input to work, but what are the advantages? I have seen on this > list quite a few people with radios that have an IQ output still use the > headphone output to decode the digital modes. I am under the impression > that the PX3 can display a 200KHz slice of the RF spectrum using the IQ > outputs whereas the best I can get out of fldigi is about 4KHz. Is > there any way to coerce fldigi to display a wider chunk of the band? I > am running fldigi on Linux. > > > John > KD8CIV > > On Sun, 2016-04-10 at 14:56 -0400, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> George, >> >> You laptop may have only a mono input for the mic/line-in, but for >> digital modes, only one channel is used, so it should work - just be >> sure to turn off sounds from your OS so those are not transmitted on the >> air. >> >> A simple and inexpensive USB soundcard can eliminate the problem of >> sounds from the OS. Just make certain the USB soundcard is *not* the >> default sound device. >> >> For digital modes, you do not need an expensive interface. Yes, some >> provide ready made cables to connect with your radio, some have galvanic >> isolation on the audio lines, and some provide PTT to the transceiver, >> but VOX works just great with the KX3 for digital modes (you don't need >> PTT). >> >> The big difference between soundcards (including those built into >> interface boxes) for digital modes is the noise floor of the soundcard. >> You mentioned Signalink, and while popular, it is not the best interface >> available. >> >> Try your laptop internal soundcard before buying anything else, it may >> be all you need. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 4/10/2016 2:09 PM, George_yv5wz wrote: >>> Thank you Don! >>> >>> So you mean I don't need to buy anything just my laptop....that's >>> interesting! >>> >>> however, I'm kind of confuse....why so many brands of expensive interface >>> sound card....does it represent any better signal or any using interface >>> ?....I mean 100 Box (signlink) against simple USB soundcard (12 box) >>> .....does it really matter? >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin.stover at mediacombb.net > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Apr 10 17:19:00 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 13:19:00 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] When do I need atten or preamp? Message-ID: <201604102119.u3ALJ1ga030492@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Interesting viewpoint. I thought it would be interesting to take a look at my local noise floor. I have the PR6/10 installed on my K3 SN-4043 (new synth not yet installed). Measurements in SSB - 2.8 KHz: 10m was the band I was most interested in measuring so started there. I turned DIGOUT-1 = OFF and no noise? Oh, the preamp switches to ext connections so I installed a BNC jumper from IN to OUT. S=3 on noise with no preamps. S=5 with internal PRE on S=7 with PR6/10=ON and PRE=OFF (DIGIOUT-1 controls the PR6/10) So noise is pretty high with the preamp turned on (without weak signals unable to determine if preamp helps actual noise foor). 12m Identical to 10m noise. 20m: S=4/5 with PRE=OFF 40m: S=5 with PRE=OFF 80m: S=5 with PRE=OFF 10-20m ANT is Hygain TH3mk4 3-element yagi at 52-foot. 80/40m is fan-style inverted-V dipole with feed at 40-foot I generally do not use the ATT as there is not a lot of QRM/QRN to deal with and signals are not always strong at Alaskan distance. Note that I do little HF operating so generally operate SSB and occasional psk-31 on 20m. Most of the time the tuner is set on 20m. All tests were with tuner set for min SWR except on 80m where it is bypassed. I use the PR6/10 more for 6m SSB where is definitely helps (interestingly the KX3 with PRE=ON works as well on 6m reception). PR6/10 also necessary for weak 10m signals. So guess that probably supports Al's observations. One thing I would take exception is working "weak signals" meaning signals that are weaker than noise. Top eme CW operators can receive CW that is SNR < -6dB. Digital modes like JT-65 can decode at -28 dB. So one might benefit from running a preamp on 12-10-6m with a K3. I have not run JT-65 on HF so leave that for those who do to comment. Observations made at 1pm on Sunday in South-central Alaska (BP40iq). 73, Ed - KL7UW PS: AE6JV watch your mail for delivery in a couple days! From: Al Lorona To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] When do I need atten or preamp? Message-ID: <1876112178.88125.1460257728937.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I ran several simulations of the K3 receiver using Genesys (from Keysight Technologies) to find out how to use the attenuator and preamp optimally. An article by Jim Fisk W1HR appeared in October 1975 in ham radio magazine where he gave the acceptable noise figure (NF) for a receiver on each HF band (excluding WARC bands, which didn't exist at the time). For instance, on 80 meters your receiver can have a NF as high as 37 dB (because the external noise level is so high), on 40 the acceptable NF is 27 dB, on 20 it's 24 dB, etc. Going by the K3 block diagram in the Owner's Manual, I made a number of assumptions so my numbers are undoubtedly off by a couple of dB (probably in the pessimistic direction). I also assumed a CW filter of 500 Hz, noise blanker off, and an outdoor antenna like a dipole. I modeled everything up to and including the 2nd IF amp. I included synthesizer phase noise. Let's talk about 80 meters. As you would expect, even with the 10 dB attenuator switched in the K3 has more than enough sensitivity. Since it's not possible to hear signals below the external noise floor, it doesn't buy you anything to have more sensitivity than the noise floor. In fact, you could have up to 21 dB of attenuation and it would still be totally adequate, so K3S owners can use all of their 15 dB if they want to. And definitely DO NOT ever turn on your preamp on 80; the only time this would be permissible is when using a small receiving loop direct into the RX ANT. On 40, having the 10 dB attenuator in (and preamp out, of course) is still right on the good side of sensitivity. So, kick in your attenuator on 40 with a clear conscience... your receiver will be quiet, but not deaf. Additional loss will just begin to affect you on 40, but only if you're in the habit of listening for signals right at the noise floor. On 20, the 5 dB attenuator would be okay to use. Again, this is where K3S owners have a little more flexibility. If you have a K3 don't use the attenuator, unless you want to. The preamp really isn't needed until you get to 10 meters, according to my simulations. Using it below 10 meters is just asking for unnecessary noise! On SSB, the margins are even better [by 7 dB] because of the wider 2.7 kHz bandwidth. And if the HF bands are noisier nowadays than in 1975 due to plasma TVs, wireless devices and SMPSs, the K3 would have even more margin than I have presented here. Al W6LX 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From clint.stark at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 10 17:28:54 2016 From: clint.stark at sbcglobal.net (Clint) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 14:28:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: HF weather fax Message-ID: <000901d1936f$fc6f98c0$f54eca40$@sbcglobal.net> I am looking for a simple Windows 7, 8, 10 program that can decode NOAA HF weather faxes using a laptop soundcard. I am helping my bro set-up his boat and a Marine SSB/Ham radio. Most programs I see are older, run Lunix or are to complex, we need something simple. Any ideas? Clint KI6SSN From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sun Apr 10 17:28:49 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:28:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange K3's issues In-Reply-To: <1375238303.2640880.1460323025108.JavaMail.zimbra@elektroda.net> References: <1375238303.2640880.1460323025108.JavaMail.zimbra@elektroda.net> Message-ID: <570AC591.5030505@mediacombb.net> Works fine at home and loses it's mind at the contest location with different antennas, feed lines, etc.... My first impression is an RFI problem at the contest location. On 4/10/2016 4:17 PM, Tom SQ5CSF wrote: > Hello everybody, > I have a strange issues in my K3. Maybe someone has had similar symptoms and may help me... > > chronology of my actions with K3 > > - from the begining K3 was never opened, worked fine. > - 2015-06 - KXV3 installation > - 144 QSO made in this period time - no issues. > - 2015-12-31 Last firmware upgrade (5.38/1.25/2.86) > - 26 QSO made in this period time - in January - no issues > - SPDX contest (2016-04-02)- in my contest location - first operational problems. > During the contest I have made about 40 qso. > Many radio restart have been made to be able to work at all... > symptoms: when I have pressed mic's PTT, TX led switch ON but there were no power output. > The same situation was when I have used footswitch or playback message option. > After few pressing of the PTT output power appeared. > > Next point was the AUT - time of the tuning was tottaly differen between next tunes. > Next point - AF gain controls for main receiver. > Radio was not reading the knob position to change the volume. > Band change removed this issue for some time. > > > - Home station - 2016-04-10 > Previous problems disappear, now i have a problem with the K3 power off. > It's look like not complete internal procedure. > whole firmwares were reloaded - issues still exist. > configuration was restored from 2015-08 - issues still exist. > Older firmwares were downloaded - issues still exist. > Actual firmwares were downloaded with last saved configuration - issues still exist. > - next point - when I switch on my Diamond power supply - K3 power on automatically. > > > Some shots made by mobile You can have a look on vimeo: > https://vimeo.com/162290764 > > I will be grateful for any comments / tips > Tom > SQ5CSF > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin.stover at mediacombb.net > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From gallsup at whoi.edu Sun Apr 10 17:28:58 2016 From: gallsup at whoi.edu (Geoff Allsup) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 17:28:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I use a Griffin iMic with my Mac with the standard accessory kit audio cables. Works great and it's simple. Geoff - W1OH Sent from my iPhone Geoff Allsup, W1OH gallsup at whoi.edu or w1oh at whoi.edu Senior Engineer Upper Ocean Processes Group Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Woods Hole, MA > On Apr 10, 2016, at 12:41, George_yv5wz wrote: > > I'm thinking to go QRP to South of Brasil with my new KX3 > and I'm looking for doing JT65 > What Soundcard interface would you recommend? > > I appreciate your answers > > > 73, George, YV5WZ > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-s-best-Soundcard-Interface-for-KX3-tp7616157.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gallsup at whoi.edu > From ron at cobi.biz Sun Apr 10 17:32:07 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 14:32:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RJ-45 connector on K3/0 Mini In-Reply-To: <018601d1936b$38294eb0$a87bec10$@sonic.net> References: <018601d1936b$38294eb0$a87bec10$@sonic.net> Message-ID: <000301d19370$6f7da320$4e78e960$@biz> It's for programming the unit at the factory. The full K3 and K3S have them as well. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron Castro Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 1:55 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] RJ-45 connector on K3/0 Mini I noticed an RJ-45 connector on the bottom panel of the K3/0 Mini but I can't find any documentation about what it's for. Anyone on the reflector know? Thanks, Ron Castro N6IE www.N6IE.com Member: ARRL Redwood Empire DX Assn. Northern California Contest Club Northern California DX Foundation Society of Broadcast Engineers ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From sq5csf at poczta.onet.pl Sun Apr 10 17:44:12 2016 From: sq5csf at poczta.onet.pl (Tomasz) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 23:44:12 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange K3's issues In-Reply-To: <570AC591.5030505@mediacombb.net> References: <1375238303.2640880.1460323025108.JavaMail.zimbra@elektroda.net> <570AC591.5030505@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <570AC92C.5010703@poczta.onet.pl> It was my first idea till today morning when power button issue became. btw In the contest location ft450 and ft-897 works fine and I have been there few months ago with my K3 and all was ok. Tom W dniu 4/10/2016 o 11:28 PM, Kevin Stover pisze: > Works fine at home and loses it's mind at the contest location with > different antennas, feed lines, etc.... > My first impression is an RFI problem at the contest location. > > On 4/10/2016 4:17 PM, Tom SQ5CSF wrote: >> Hello everybody, >> I have a strange issues in my K3. Maybe someone has had similar >> symptoms and may help me... >> >> chronology of my actions with K3 >> >> - from the begining K3 was never opened, worked fine. >> - 2015-06 - KXV3 installation >> - 144 QSO made in this period time - no issues. >> - 2015-12-31 Last firmware upgrade (5.38/1.25/2.86) >> - 26 QSO made in this period time - in January - no issues >> - SPDX contest (2016-04-02)- in my contest location - first >> operational problems. >> During the contest I have made about 40 qso. >> Many radio restart have been made to be able to work at all... >> symptoms: when I have pressed mic's PTT, TX led switch ON but there >> were no power output. >> The same situation was when I have used footswitch or playback >> message option. >> After few pressing of the PTT output power appeared. >> >> Next point was the AUT - time of the tuning was tottaly differen >> between next tunes. >> Next point - AF gain controls for main receiver. >> Radio was not reading the knob position to change the volume. >> Band change removed this issue for some time. >> >> >> - Home station - 2016-04-10 >> Previous problems disappear, now i have a problem with the K3 power off. >> It's look like not complete internal procedure. >> whole firmwares were reloaded - issues still exist. >> configuration was restored from 2015-08 - issues still exist. >> Older firmwares were downloaded - issues still exist. >> Actual firmwares were downloaded with last saved configuration - >> issues still exist. >> - next point - when I switch on my Diamond power supply - K3 power on >> automatically. >> >> >> Some shots made by mobile You can have a look on vimeo: >> https://vimeo.com/162290764 >> >> I will be grateful for any comments / tips >> Tom >> SQ5CSF >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kevin.stover at mediacombb.net >> > > From chadwasinger at outlook.com Sun Apr 10 17:53:27 2016 From: chadwasinger at outlook.com (Chad Wasinger) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:53:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX3-2M-AT Message-ID: Hi Group, I have a KX3-2M-AT internal 2 meter board for sale. The board is in good working order and has super sensitive receive on 2 meters. Included will be the board, cabling, assembly hardware and manual. $185 plus actual shipping costs via USPS Priority Mail. Please contact me offline with any questions. Thanks! Chad N0YK From chadwasinger at outlook.com Sun Apr 10 18:09:40 2016 From: chadwasinger at outlook.com (Chad Wasinger) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 17:09:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX3-2M-AT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All - the board has been sold pending funds. Thanks for all that replied so quickly! > From: chadwasinger at outlook.com > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:53:27 -0500 > Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX3-2M-AT > > Hi Group, > > I have a KX3-2M-AT internal 2 meter board for sale. The board is in good working order and has super sensitive receive on 2 meters. Included will be the board, cabling, assembly hardware and manual. > > $185 plus actual shipping costs via USPS Priority Mail. > > Please contact me offline with any questions. > > Thanks! > Chad > N0YK > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to chadwasinger at outlook.com From yv5wz at hotmail.com Sun Apr 10 18:18:29 2016 From: yv5wz at hotmail.com (George_yv5wz) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 15:18:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <1460319132.3018.10.camel@arabica> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <570AA1C3.10702@embarqmail.com> <1460319132.3018.10.camel@arabica> Message-ID: <1460326709557-7616181.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks Don I tried with my Laptop Soundcard and it decodes signal even -24 So I guess sound card its ok.....but when I connect Mic jack to my pc output (phones) .....it keys my KX3 (TX red led on)......I dont get it!! -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-s-best-Soundcard-Interface-for-KX3-tp7616157p7616181.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From yv5wz at hotmail.com Sun Apr 10 18:21:42 2016 From: yv5wz at hotmail.com (George_yv5wz) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 15:21:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <7183115A-B936-4127-96A9-F9872BB804F2@nobis.net> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <7183115A-B936-4127-96A9-F9872BB804F2@nobis.net> Message-ID: <1460326902242-7616182.post@n2.nabble.com> Thnaks Robert Laptop its decoding -24 signals so I guess I'm ok... but for some reason when I connect audio Cable .....I got PPT on.....I mean just connecting plug in MIC jack and Audio....and TX red led lights on -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-s-best-Soundcard-Interface-for-KX3-tp7616157p7616182.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Apr 10 18:52:31 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:52:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RJ-45 connector on K3/0 Mini In-Reply-To: <018601d1936b$38294eb0$a87bec10$@sonic.net> References: <018601d1936b$38294eb0$a87bec10$@sonic.net> Message-ID: <846BFDCA-AC63-411C-8615-FC18AB1A3ED4@widomaker.com> Factory use only. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 10, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Ron Castro wrote: > > I noticed an RJ-45 connector on the bottom panel of the K3/0 Mini but I > can't find any documentation about what it's for. Anyone on the reflector > know? > > > > Thanks, > > Ron Castro > > N6IE > > www.N6IE.com > > > > Member: > > ARRL > > Redwood Empire DX Assn. > > Northern California Contest Club > > Northern California DX Foundation > > Society of Broadcast Engineers > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Apr 10 19:32:50 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 19:32:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange K3's issues In-Reply-To: <1375238303.2640880.1460323025108.JavaMail.zimbra@elektroda.net> References: <452170608.2640874.1460322973060.JavaMail.zimbra@elektroda.net> <1375238303.2640880.1460323025108.JavaMail.zimbra@elektroda.net> Message-ID: It's not a complete answer, but treat the K3 like it's a computer. Always turn it off with its own power button so it can go through its shutdown procedures and turn itself off after all the data is cleaned up or stored properly. Only turn on the K3 when the power is up and stable. A PC power supply has circuitry to assure stability by communicating with the motherboard. Turning the K3 on or off from the power supply switch is like turning a PC on/off by pushing/pulling the power plug at the motherboard. Also make sure the power supply voltage is not sagging during transmit. One person I know was going from 12 to 9 volts key down at 100 watts. Problems with the wire, the connectors and the power supply. Previous poster referenced RFI in the shack which can generate baffling symptoms that make no sense. Good luck sorting it all out. 73, Guy K2AV On Sunday, April 10, 2016, Tom SQ5CSF wrote: > Hello everybody, > I have a strange issues in my K3. Maybe someone has had similar symptoms > and may help me... > > chronology of my actions with K3 > > - from the begining K3 was never opened, worked fine. > - 2015-06 - KXV3 installation > - 144 QSO made in this period time - no issues. > - 2015-12-31 Last firmware upgrade (5.38/1.25/2.86) > - 26 QSO made in this period time - in January - no issues > - SPDX contest (2016-04-02)- in my contest location - first operational > problems. > During the contest I have made about 40 qso. > Many radio restart have been made to be able to work at all... > symptoms: when I have pressed mic's PTT, TX led switch ON but there were > no power output. > The same situation was when I have used footswitch or playback message > option. > After few pressing of the PTT output power appeared. > > Next point was the AUT - time of the tuning was tottaly differen between > next tunes. > Next point - AF gain controls for main receiver. > Radio was not reading the knob position to change the volume. > Band change removed this issue for some time. > > > - Home station - 2016-04-10 > Previous problems disappear, now i have a problem with the K3 power off. > It's look like not complete internal procedure. > whole firmwares were reloaded - issues still exist. > configuration was restored from 2015-08 - issues still exist. > Older firmwares were downloaded - issues still exist. > Actual firmwares were downloaded with last saved configuration - issues > still exist. > - next point - when I switch on my Diamond power supply - K3 power on > automatically. > > > Some shots made by mobile You can have a look on vimeo: > https://vimeo.com/162290764 > > I will be grateful for any comments / tips > Tom > SQ5CSF > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Apr 10 19:35:08 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:35:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: HF weather fax In-Reply-To: <000901d1936f$fc6f98c0$f54eca40$@sbcglobal.net> References: <000901d1936f$fc6f98c0$f54eca40$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <570AE32C.3020200@foothill.net> I copy Pacific WEFAX from NMC using my K3 and MIXW, on Windoze 10 now, but I've done it on 98, XP, and 7 too. MIXW is fairly old, but really works well. Also copies a variety of other dig modes [no JT's] and SSTV, should you like to have noisy images of scantily clad women on your computer. :-)) The WEFAX from NMC are really big, as in E-size drawings or maybe bigger. I watch them until they get to the area of the Pacific I care about and then start the save-to-file. They're at 120 LPM, you can get the program to sync automatically, I usually just set the line rate to 119 and watch the sync bar until it's over on the right or left edge. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 4/10/2016 2:28 PM, Clint wrote: > > I am looking for a simple Windows 7, 8, 10 program that can decode NOAA HF > weather faxes using a laptop soundcard. I am helping my bro set-up his boat > and a Marine SSB/Ham radio. > > Most programs I see are older, run Lunix or are to complex, we need > something simple. Any ideas? > Clint > KI6SSN From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 10 19:42:36 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 19:42:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <1460326709557-7616181.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <570AA1C3.10702@embarqmail.com> <1460319132.3018.10.camel@arabica> <1460326709557-7616181.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570AE4EC.8010403@embarqmail.com> George, You are making progress, receive is good - only a little more to go to handle the transmit situation. The cause is because the ring contact on the microphone jack is PTT, and the unused channel (right) of the soundcard has a sufficiently low impedance (resistance) to trigger the PTT. If you are set up to use VOX, you do not need PTT. There are 2 solutions (I think the 2nd one is the best, but that is just my opinion): 1.) Enter the menu and set MIC BTN to OFF. Since that requires you to turn MIC BTN to ON when going back to SSB with the MH3 microphone, I suggest #2. 2.) Build an adapter which has no connection to the 1st ring on the microphone plug. In other words, connect the soundcard stereo plug to only the shell and tip of another jack and use that adapter between your soundcard audio out cable and the KX3 microphone jack. If you want to use PTT, you can bring out the ring contact to operate from whatever source you are deriving the PTT signal. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/10/2016 6:18 PM, George_yv5wz wrote: > Thanks Don > > I tried with my Laptop Soundcard and it decodes signal even -24 > So I guess sound card its ok.....but when I connect Mic jack to my pc > output (phones) .....it keys my KX3 (TX red led on)......I dont get it!! > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-s-best-Soundcard-Interface-for-KX3-tp7616157p7616181.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From n7rjn at nobis.net Sun Apr 10 19:51:39 2016 From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:51:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <1460326902242-7616182.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <7183115A-B936-4127-96A9-F9872BB804F2@nobis.net> <1460326902242-7616182.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1BBDC298-1100-4051-B11F-474F4CEEB0EA@nobis.net> George, That is great. -24 dB is good for a built in sound card. By the way what version of JT65 are you using? Note that your transmit signal level is usually critical for JT65 and JT9. Also, I always use VOX to key the transmitter. 73, Bob Nobis - N7RJN n7rjn at nobis.net > On Apr 10, 2016, at 15:21, George_yv5wz wrote: > > Thnaks Robert > Laptop its decoding -24 signals > > so I guess I'm ok... but for some reason when I connect audio Cable .....I > got PPT on.....I mean just connecting plug in MIC jack and Audio....and TX > red led lights on > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-s-best-Soundcard-Interface-for-KX3-tp7616157p7616182.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7rjn at nobis.net > From yv5wz at hotmail.com Sun Apr 10 19:58:13 2016 From: yv5wz at hotmail.com (George_yv5wz) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:58:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <1BBDC298-1100-4051-B11F-474F4CEEB0EA@nobis.net> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <7183115A-B936-4127-96A9-F9872BB804F2@nobis.net> <1460326902242-7616182.post@n2.nabble.com> <1BBDC298-1100-4051-B11F-474F4CEEB0EA@nobis.net> Message-ID: <1460332693507-7616188.post@n2.nabble.com> Hey Robert Yes I think I'm ok with my Sony VPCW12AX.....probably is cause better sound device than laptop hahahaha...... I have WSJT-X v1.6.0 r6263 What are the settings for VOX? By the way my software decode with KX3 set at USB.... I couldn't get any decode set at DATA 73's -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-s-best-Soundcard-Interface-for-KX3-tp7616157p7616188.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From yv5wz at hotmail.com Sun Apr 10 20:01:28 2016 From: yv5wz at hotmail.com (George_yv5wz) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 17:01:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <570AE4EC.8010403@embarqmail.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <570AA1C3.10702@embarqmail.com> <1460319132.3018.10.camel@arabica> <1460326709557-7616181.post@n2.nabble.com> <570AE4EC.8010403@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1460332888535-7616189.post@n2.nabble.com> Don I like better 2nd option too but on Sunday....and 7:30 pm (local time).....I cant imagine where I may find 3.5 mm conectors How do I set up KX3 and WSJT-x soft for VOX? By the way I get decode with radio set at USB mode ....but nothing set at DATA mode.....any idea ? 73, George -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-s-best-Soundcard-Interface-for-KX3-tp7616157p7616189.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave at nk7z.net Sun Apr 10 20:10:52 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 17:10:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: HF weather fax In-Reply-To: <570AE32C.3020200@foothill.net> References: <000901d1936f$fc6f98c0$f54eca40$@sbcglobal.net> <570AE32C.3020200@foothill.net> Message-ID: <1460333452.9423.28.camel@nk7z.net> Hi Fred, I also use MixW for all digital modes, save JT modes... ?I find that for me it is far better than any other program out there. ?I have it connected to my K3 as well, and it does a good job on the Weather FAX, as well as all other digital modes. ?If you have a list of freqs, can you send them to me off list... I moderate the yahoo support group for MixW, (around 4000 users still yet, so lots of support there), if you don't have the updated macros, and manual for MixW, do visit the group. ? There is a Russian fellow there who has written a pile of DLLs for contests, beyond the ones the Mixw site has, and a fellow that has totally rewritten the help files as well! ?All down-loadable and all free... ? See the link at the bottom of my note here... ?The one for MixW support. -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2016-04-10 at 16:35 -0700, Fred Jensen wrote: > I copy Pacific WEFAX from NMC using my K3 and MIXW, on Windoze 10 > now,? > but I've done it on 98, XP, and 7 too.??MIXW is fairly old, but > really? > works well.??Also copies a variety of other dig modes [no JT's] and? > SSTV, should you like to have noisy images of scantily clad women on? > your computer. :-)) > > The WEFAX from NMC are really big, as in E-size drawings or maybe? > bigger.??I watch them until they get to the area of the Pacific I > care? > about and then start the save-to-file.??They're at 120 LPM, you can > get? > the program to sync automatically, I usually just set the line rate > to? > 119 and watch the sync bar until it's over on the right or left edge. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 > - www.cqp.org > From n7rjn at nobis.net Sun Apr 10 20:17:00 2016 From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 17:17:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <1460332693507-7616188.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <7183115A-B936-4127-96A9-F9872BB804F2@nobis.net> <1460326902242-7616182.post@n2.nabble.com> <1BBDC298-1100-4051-B11F-474F4CEEB0EA@nobis.net> <1460332693507-7616188.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: George, Not sure how to set up VOX using an internal sound card. For use with my SignaLink USB, I simply adjusted the output level of the sound card until it properly keyed the transmitter. Also Chapter 6 in the Elect KX-3 manual covers VOX setup. See page 66. I am also using USB rather than Data mode for decode with WSJT-X v1.7.0 dev. I have been able to consistently get decodes down as low as -26 to -27dB. 73, Bob Nobis - N7RJN n7rjn at nobis.net > On Apr 10, 2016, at 16:58, George_yv5wz wrote: > > Hey Robert > > > Yes I think I'm ok with my Sony VPCW12AX.....probably is cause better sound > device than laptop hahahaha...... > > I have WSJT-X v1.6.0 r6263 > > What are the settings for VOX? > > By the way my software decode with KX3 set at USB.... I couldn't get any > decode set at DATA > > > 73's > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-s-best-Soundcard-Interface-for-KX3-tp7616157p7616188.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7rjn at nobis.net > From yv5wz at hotmail.com Sun Apr 10 20:20:48 2016 From: yv5wz at hotmail.com (George_yv5wz) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 17:20:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <7183115A-B936-4127-96A9-F9872BB804F2@nobis.net> <1460326902242-7616182.post@n2.nabble.com> <1BBDC298-1100-4051-B11F-474F4CEEB0EA@nobis.net> <1460332693507-7616188.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1460334048410-7616192.post@n2.nabble.com> hey!!! where did you get WSJT-X v1.7.0 dev version....? I will take a look to manual to try to set up VOX -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-s-best-Soundcard-Interface-for-KX3-tp7616157p7616192.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 10 20:58:02 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 20:58:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <1460332888535-7616189.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <570AA1C3.10702@embarqmail.com> <1460319132.3018.10.camel@arabica> <1460326709557-7616181.post@n2.nabble.com> <570AE4EC.8010403@embarqmail.com> <1460332888535-7616189.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570AF69A.1090704@embarqmail.com> George, So use the 1st option until you can get the plugs and jacks to construct the adapter. For VOX, just set VOX on - hold the button just to the lower left of the VFO A knob. It is a per-mode setting. Are you using the correct DATA sub-mode? There are 4 and you should be using DATA A which should default to USB (If it is using the wrong sideband, the ALT button (Hold MODE) will change the sideband. Tap DATA a second time and rotate the VFO B knob until you see DATA A. The advantage of DATA A over SSB is that compression is turned off and TX EQ is turned to flat automatically. Adjust your audio level (computer soundcard output slider and MIC Gain until you have 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flickering. Adjust the desired power output with the PWR knob. Ignore the conventional advice for "no ALC" on the internet and also ignore the internat advice to adjust the power with the audio level. That advice is for transceivers other than Elecraft. Elecraft is different than other ham transceivers in the way power is controlled. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/10/2016 8:01 PM, George_yv5wz wrote: > Don > > I like better 2nd option too > but on Sunday....and 7:30 pm (local time).....I cant imagine where I may > find 3.5 mm conectors > > How do I set up KX3 and WSJT-x soft for VOX? > > By the way I get decode with radio set at USB mode ....but nothing set at > DATA mode.....any idea ? > > > 73, > > George > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-s-best-Soundcard-Interface-for-KX3-tp7616157p7616189.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Apr 10 21:56:16 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 18:56:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <570AE4EC.8010403@embarqmail.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <570AA1C3.10702@embarqmail.com> <1460319132.3018.10.camel@arabica> <1460326709557-7616181.post@n2.nabble.com> <570AE4EC.8010403@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: > On Apr 10, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > 2.) Build an adapter which has no connection to the 1st ring on the microphone plug. In other words, connect the soundcard stereo plug to only the shell and tip of another jack and use that adapter between your soundcard audio out cable and the KX3 microphone jack. If you want to use PTT, you can bring out the ring contact to operate from whatever source you are deriving the PTT signal. You don?t need to build an adaptor. A standard stereo to mono splitter will do the job. Plug into the left channel of the splitter, then plug the splitter into the KX3. See the details in this blog post. https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/ wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From n7tb at comcast.net Mon Apr 11 00:19:46 2016 From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 21:19:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Grounding KPXA100 in RV Question Message-ID: <005401d193a9$62c32f90$28498eb0$@comcast.net> Hello All, I will be using my KXPA100, KX3 and PX3 while in my RV. I do not plan on operating while the vehicle is in motion. I am planning on only operating the station while connected to 120V mains or when the Generator is running. I will power the system with a Powerwerx SPS-30DM. I typically operate my station with the power supply in fixed voltage mode. The meter shows 14.1 to 14.3 volts when operating. This should provide 100 watts output from the KPXA100. My question is regarding grounding requirements for the KPXA100. I assume that the amp needs to be grounded to the vehicle frame. If the engine is not running, will grounding the amp to the frame cause any problems with the vehicle 12V system, or the separate 12Vbattery system that powers all 12 V system in the RV? While operating the generator but powering through the Powerwerx supply be an issue? When I am using a vertical antenna, I will ground one side to the vehicle chassis. Will the antenna and amp grounded to the same system cause problems? What would be the downside to not grounding the KPXA100 as long as the antenna is grounded to the frame, or if using a doublet, not having the antenna grounded to the frame. I have not operated mobile HF before so I am a novice at this. The RV is a 2005 model on a Chevy truck chassis. Thanks for the help. Terry, N7TB From ne2i at yahoo.com Mon Apr 11 00:45:18 2016 From: ne2i at yahoo.com (George Cortez) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 04:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Grounding KPXA100 in RV Question In-Reply-To: <005401d193a9$62c32f90$28498eb0$@comcast.net> References: <005401d193a9$62c32f90$28498eb0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <131810128.575551.1460349919006.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I do it with mine and its not grounded. Just locate the antenna away from your transmitter. I run a 600w amp also.I use a portable antenna and about 75 feet of coax when I have the space. Plus its better on your RX as those inverters are pretty noisy. Try and keep it away from that as far as possible. George NE2I On Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:22 PM, Terry Brown wrote: Hello All, I will be using my KXPA100, KX3 and PX3 while in my RV.? I do not plan on operating while the vehicle is in motion.? I am planning on only operating the station while connected to 120V mains or when the Generator is running. I will power the system with a Powerwerx SPS-30DM.? I typically operate my station with the power supply in fixed voltage mode.? The meter shows 14.1 to 14.3 volts when operating.? This should provide 100 watts output from the KPXA100. My question is regarding grounding requirements for the KPXA100.? I assume that the amp needs to be grounded to the vehicle frame.? If the engine is not running, will grounding the amp to the frame cause any problems with the vehicle 12V system, or the separate 12Vbattery system that powers all 12 V system in the RV?? While operating the generator but powering through the Powerwerx supply be an issue? When I am using a vertical antenna, I will ground one side to the vehicle chassis.? Will the antenna and amp grounded to the same system cause problems?? What would be the downside to not grounding the KPXA100 as long as the antenna is grounded to the frame, or if using a doublet, not having the antenna grounded to the frame. I have not operated mobile HF before so I am a novice at this.? The RV is a 2005 model on a Chevy truck chassis. Thanks for the help. Terry, N7TB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ne2i at yahoo.com From wa6nhc at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 01:28:47 2016 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 22:28:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <7183115A-B936-4127-96A9-F9872BB804F2@nobis.net> <1460326902242-7616182.post@n2.nabble.com> <1BBDC298-1100-4051-B11F-474F4CEEB0EA@nobis.net> <1460332693507-7616188.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570B360F.6030408@gmail.com> Bob, While your decode level is admirable, using the SLUSB VOX to trigger the PTT is less than reliable. You will be FAR better off using a CAT command (or RTS/DTS) for PTT. However on my K3, I do set the tx volume to max on the sound card driver, the TX knob to noon, THEN adjust the ALC to 4 bars lit and the 5th flickering. Please note that if you change the pitch of the audio tone, you'll want to reset the ALC as there is a vast difference from 600 Hz output to 2KHz output. You can also use the DATA A mode for decoding, simplifying your setup (all data modes in one group). One experiment I'm planning is using a second audio card in the desktop, to see if that improves low level decoding. 73, Rick nhc On 4/10/2016 5:17 PM, Robert Nobis wrote: > George, > > Not sure how to set up VOX using an internal sound card. For use with my SignaLink USB, I simply adjusted the output level of the sound card until it properly keyed the transmitter. > > Also Chapter 6 in the Elect KX-3 manual covers VOX setup. See page 66. > > I am also using USB rather than Data mode for decode with WSJT-X v1.7.0 dev. I have been able to consistently get decodes down as low as -26 to -27dB. > > 73, > > > Bob Nobis - N7RJN > n7rjn at nobis.net From kc6cnn at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 01:44:26 2016 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 22:44:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] RFI resistant Monitor Message-ID: <1460353466706-7616198.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello Everyone. I am running a Samsung 21 inch monitor on my Elecraft P3 SVGA. I just found that when the monitor is on it adds 2 bars of noise to my meter. It is also turning off when I operate on certain bands. Does anyone know of a good monitor to combat RFI and Noise. I have had some local hams tell me to cut the power cable and run it from my Astron and take out the switching power supply that came with the Samsung monitor. Any suggestions and thoughts are appreciated. Oh PS I do have a bunch of beads on the cable from P3 to monitor and on the power cable. Thanks Gerald KC6CNN ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K1 # 0014 K2 # 5486 K3 # 6294 KX3 # 757 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/RFI-resistant-Monitor-tp7616198.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Apr 11 01:58:43 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 22:58:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <570B360F.6030408@gmail.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <7183115A-B936-4127-96A9-F9872BB804F2@nobis.net> <1460326902242-7616182.post@n2.nabble.com> <1BBDC298-1100-4051-B11F-474F4CEEB0EA@nobis.net> <1460332693507-7616188.post@n2.nabble.com> <570B360F.6030408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <570B3D13.5020905@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,4/10/2016 10:28 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > While your decode level is admirable, using the SLUSB VOX to trigger > the PTT is less than reliable. I have no experience with the Signal Link unit, but I use AFSK RTTY, JT65, JT9, ISCAT, and FSK441, making thousands of QSOs in a weekend contest. I've never used anything but VOX for any voice or digital mode, whether I was using the sound card built into my laptop or a nice USB sound card. It makes life MUCH simpler, and it works quite reliably if you set it up well. Like with any VOX setup, you start with high VOX sensitivity while you're getting modulation levels right, then set the VOX for reliable operation. There are detailed setup instructions for audio levels (but not for setting VOX) in my review of USB sound cards at k9yc.com/publish.htm 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Apr 11 02:12:55 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 23:12:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RFI resistant Monitor In-Reply-To: <1460353466706-7616198.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460353466706-7616198.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570B4067.8000307@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,4/10/2016 10:44 PM, KC6CNN wrote: > I just found that when the monitor is on it adds 2 bars of noise to my > meter. It is also turning off when I operate on certain bands. I had exactly that experience with a Samsung that W4UAT gave me because it did that in his shack too. It also makes RF noise. The good news is that not all Samsung monitors are RFI dogs. I have two recent model Samsungs in my house and four in the shack. They are designed to run on power supplies labeled 14VDC, and the supply they sell you is a switching power supply that makes RF noise. I throw those power supplies away, cut the attached power cable and attach red/black PowePoles, and run them from either the 12V battery system in my shack or a small 12V lead-acid cell that I float-charge from a linear 12V wall wart. I also use ferrite common mode chokes on both the video cable that runs to the computer and the power supply cable "just in case" some RF trash is conducted to those cables, which the cables could radiate. All that, and a lot more, is discussed in this "in progress" article for the National Contest Journal. k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Apr 11 02:20:59 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 23:20:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ref Lvl saving Message-ID: I have noticed that my P3 does not correctly save the Ref Lvl for 160M over a power off/on cycle. The normal level for 160M here is about 96 while all the other bands are above 100. When I power off when set to another band, power on again, and switch to 160M, the Ref Lvl is set to the level of the band where I was when I turned off the power. For example, if I am on 12M with a Ref Lvl of 144, and I power the K3 and P3 off and then on again, I come up on 12M with a Ref Lvl of 144 like I expect. If I then change bands, all the bands 15M thru 80M come up to the last Ref Lvl I used on those bands, but 160M comes up at 144. Note that I power the P3 from the K3 12V output and use the K3 power switch to turn both of them on and off. Has anyone else seen this behavior? 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? From wa6nhc at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 02:51:02 2016 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 23:51:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <570B3D13.5020905@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <7183115A-B936-4127-96A9-F9872BB804F2@nobis.net> <1460326902242-7616182.post@n2.nabble.com> <1BBDC298-1100-4051-B11F-474F4CEEB0EA@nobis.net> <1460332693507-7616188.post@n2.nabble.com> <570B360F.6030408@gmail.com> <570B3D13.5020905@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <570B4956.1020008@gmail.com> To be clear, the SLUSB VOX is the weak point if it is used for PTT. It is not reliable... this has little to do with the radio of any brand. Rick PS Congrats on the 160M VK0EK QSO, I know what an effort that was, I saw your call on DXA3 just after. On 4/10/2016 10:58 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sun,4/10/2016 10:28 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >> While your decode level is admirable, using the SLUSB VOX to trigger >> the PTT is less than reliable. > > I have no experience with the Signal Link unit, but I use AFSK RTTY, > JT65, JT9, ISCAT, and FSK441, making thousands of QSOs in a weekend > contest. I've never used anything but VOX for any voice or digital > mode, whether I was using the sound card built into my laptop or a > nice USB sound card. It makes life MUCH simpler, and it works quite > reliably if you set it up well. > > Like with any VOX setup, you start with high VOX sensitivity while > you're getting modulation levels right, then set the VOX for reliable > operation. There are detailed setup instructions for audio levels (but > not for setting VOX) in my review of USB sound cards at > k9yc.com/publish.htm > > 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Apr 11 03:36:48 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 00:36:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <570B4956.1020008@gmail.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <7183115A-B936-4127-96A9-F9872BB804F2@nobis.net> <1460326902242-7616182.post@n2.nabble.com> <1BBDC298-1100-4051-B11F-474F4CEEB0EA@nobis.net> <1460332693507-7616188.post@n2.nabble.com> <570B360F.6030408@gmail.com> <570B3D13.5020905@audiosystemsgroup.com> <570B4956.1020008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <570B5410.8050608@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sun,4/10/2016 11:51 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > To be clear, the SLUSB VOX is the weak point if it is used for PTT. It > is not reliable... this has little to do with the radio of any brand. Thanks for the clarification, Rick. There are many weak things about the SignalLink USB -- that's only one of them. I don't recommend it. Yes, that 160M Q to VK0EK was a thrill, as was the one to the team at Amsterdam Island last year that many of us around the world achieved thanks to the great work by both of these teams. 73, Jim K9YC From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Apr 11 05:41:44 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 01:41:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 Message-ID: <201604110941.u3B9fiTS022166@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> I assume you are talking about JT-65HF on HF bands. I decode JT-65 signals down to -28. -26 is 100% copy level and get more marginal at weaker signals. I have decoded as low as -31 but that is rare. Of course I am talking about JT-65b on 2m-eme where sky noise is much lower. For WSJT10 (which is a suite of sw that includes JT-65) I run monaural audio from line-out from my K3. I run JT65c on 1296 with this sw which only requires simple audio input thru a soundcard. Bandwidth on the sw is limited to 2.5 KHz display. I run MAP-65 on 2m-eme which requires IQ input which comes from a LP-Pan connected to the K3 1st IF. I get up to 90-KHz panadaptor display. The LP-Pan provides IQ into a M-Audio Delta44 soundcard which can provide 90-KHz bandwidth. SDR sw require stereo soundcards with IQ baseband input. 73, Ed - KL7UW Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:51:39 -0700 From: Robert Nobis To: George_yv5wz Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 Message-ID: <1BBDC298-1100-4051-B11F-474F4CEEB0EA at nobis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii George, That is great. -24 dB is good for a built in sound card. By the way what version of JT65 are you using? Note that your transmit signal level is usually critical for JT65 and JT9. Also, I always use VOX to key the transmitter. 73, Bob Nobis - N7RJN n7rjn at nobis.net 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 11 05:54:54 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:54:54 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] What's best Soundcard Interface for KX3 In-Reply-To: <1460332693507-7616188.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460306463888-7616157.post@n2.nabble.com> <570A8BCA.7060203@embarqmail.com> <1460311797681-7616162.post@n2.nabble.com> <7183115A-B936-4127-96A9-F9872BB804F2@nobis.net> <1460326902242-7616182.post@n2.nabble.com> <1BBDC298-1100-4051-B11F-474F4CEEB0EA@nobis.net> <1460332693507-7616188.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <963209AD-7FDC-4C95-ABBE-9005F7536CD5@yahoo.co.uk> George, check that Data is set to DATA A. (Change it using the VFO B knob). Also widen the filter passband when in DATA mode and it should work. Also make sure that you have DATA A set to USB and not LSB ( Hold ALT to change it from one to the other). There are advantages in DATA rather than USB for digital modes, especially on transmit as mic TX equalisation and compression are automatically disabled on DATA. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 11 Apr 2016, at 00:58, George_yv5wz wrote: > > Hey Robert > > > Yes I think I'm ok with my Sony VPCW12AX.....probably is cause better sound > device than laptop hahahaha...... > > I have WSJT-X v1.6.0 r6263 > > What are the settings for VOX? > > By the way my software decode with KX3 set at USB.... I couldn't get any > decode set at DATA > > > 73's > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/What-s-best-Soundcard-Interface-for-KX3-tp7616157p7616188.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From PKA at telepost.gl Mon Apr 11 07:47:50 2016 From: PKA at telepost.gl (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Poul_Erik_Karlsh=F8j_=28PKA=29?=) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:47:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Minimum bandwidth? In-Reply-To: <570A848F.6000709@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <003601d1930f$9cd82ae0$d68880a0$@austin.rr.com>, <570A848F.6000709@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: The key question is always latency. Maybe the problems Lynn refers to is more due to very high jitter. In my experience fairly high latency *can* be used - if the jitter is low. It will not make you feel like being directly on the rig and you may have to adapt your operating style. But high jitter is hard to cope with mainly because the programs may stop and you need to re-start. It will drive you mad. My non-scientific experience is: Programs like IP-Sound, HRD, TeamViewer, KPA500 and KAT500 remote software will suffer first. Other programs like WKRemote and K3iNetwork annd Skype are more robust (dont recall ever having had to restart WKRemote due to jitter). I wonder what makes the difference. Maybe related to buffer control or some programs using TCP/IP and others UDP? 73/OZ4UN Poul-Erik Sent from my iPad On 10 Apr 2016, at 18:52, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT > wrote: Ignore the faster speed, it's the slower speed on non-symmetric service. The key question is always latency. You can check out a VoIP calculator if you want to play the numbers, but most VoIP (and most cellular service) run around 8 kilobits/second. No one offers IDSL service anymore, but it'd work beautifully at 128k (symmetric) with bandwidth to spare. Where the problem lies is in the way the line is provisioned. Where I live, there is only one provider that's worthwhile, the local telco.simply doesn't have enough bandwidth from the local central office to their first router. The cable company doesn't admit they have service, even though there is a drop to the house. That doesn't stop the Telco from selling 7 megabit service -- over and over and over. So, sometimes I get 7 millisecond pings. A lot of the time it's single digits, but every minute it'll jump over 500 msec. Right now it's averaging about 250 msec, and the maximum has been 998 msec. I've seen more than 4000 msec. (4 seconds). Imagine trying to snag some amazing DX, and having the audio just stop for four seconds. I could buy a faster wire, but they won't add bandwidth from the C.O. to the rest of the internet, so the latency would be the same. I'd buy slower if they offered it. 73 -- Lynn On 4/10/2016 2:59 AM, John Langdon wrote: At my remote transmitter site, I have 10 mbps 'down' and 1.2 mbps 'up' and everything works fine. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pka at tele.gl From a45wg at sy-edm.com Mon Apr 11 08:07:34 2016 From: a45wg at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 16:07:34 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: HF weather fax In-Reply-To: <000901d1936f$fc6f98c0$f54eca40$@sbcglobal.net> References: <000901d1936f$fc6f98c0$f54eca40$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Clint, Your brother will find it easier to revise the 518 Khz NavText messages - which are transmitted every 6 hours (if memory serves me correct). They are a simply RTTY format. I tried for long time to get HF WeFAX to work - but the number of stations transmitting it are extremely few and far between. They are more local +/- 1500 kms (more than enough for coastal use). There are some small black boxes available which do this - for < $200 - which may be worth looking at. Should you want a more high-tech solution then I would recommend a Pactor 3 Modem (alas not cheap), an HF Radio and a small laptop (or Raspberry Pi) - and connect to a mail server using SailMail - and receive a GRIB file - which allows you to do much better weather modelling than some nasty Fax every did. It takes less than 90 seconds to receive the GRIB files (assuming you are not taking masses of data like wave height etc). Fair winds & 73s Tim - A45WG > On 11 Apr 2016, at 01:28, Clint wrote: > > > > I am looking for a simple Windows 7, 8, 10 program that can decode NOAA HF > weather faxes using a laptop soundcard. I am helping my bro set-up his boat > and a Marine SSB/Ham radio. > > Most programs I see are older, run Lunix or are to complex, we need > something simple. Any ideas? > > > > Clint > > KI6SSN > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com From davidahrendts at me.com Mon Apr 11 08:36:25 2016 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 05:36:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RFI resistant Monitor In-Reply-To: <1460353466706-7616198.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460353466706-7616198.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3482B915-6D3C-4A78-AE77-74DFEB556CA6@me.com> Gerald, I?ve been on the RFI noise hunt for several weeks with my system. Added the SVGA with a very nice LG 23-inch LED monitor (M45 23M45D). Perfect size to fit above the K3S and P3. I?ve managed to lower my noise floor to typically well below S1, and do notice the LG producing a tiny high pitched noise from it?s switching power supply. I would use my 12V PowerWerx, but the LG switching PS produces something like 27 volts. I?m confident I can reduce the tiny noise some more. David A., KK6DA, Los Angeles > On Apr 10, 2016, at 10:44 PM, KC6CNN wrote: > > Hello Everyone. > I am running a Samsung 21 inch monitor on my Elecraft P3 SVGA. > I just found that when the monitor is on it adds 2 bars of noise to my > meter. > It is also turning off when I operate on certain bands. > Does anyone know of a good monitor to combat RFI and Noise. > I have had some local hams tell me to cut the power cable and run it from my > Astron and take out the switching power supply that came with the Samsung > monitor. > Any suggestions and thoughts are appreciated. Oh PS I do have a bunch of > beads on the cable from P3 to monitor and on the power cable. > > Thanks > Gerald > KC6CNN > > > > > ----- > KC6CNN - Gerald > K1 # 0014 > K2 # 5486 > K3 # 6294 > KX3 # 757 > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/RFI-resistant-Monitor-tp7616198.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From w4grj at satterfield.org Mon Apr 11 08:37:53 2016 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (w4grj) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 08:37:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: HF weather fax In-Reply-To: References: <000901d1936f$fc6f98c0$f54eca40$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <000001d193ee$f81face0$e85f06a0$@org> I receive wefax all the time using fldigi software via soundcard. There is an extensive amount of wefax transmissions around the globe. http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/marine/rfax.pdf North America I use New Orleans http://weather.noaa.gov/fax/gulf.shtml Boston http://weather.noaa.gov/fax/marsh.shtml Good Luck, Jack W4GRJ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of a45wg Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 8:08 AM To: Clint Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: HF weather fax Clint, Your brother will find it easier to revise the 518 Khz NavText messages - which are transmitted every 6 hours (if memory serves me correct). They are a simply RTTY format. I tried for long time to get HF WeFAX to work - but the number of stations transmitting it are extremely few and far between. They are more local +/- 1500 kms (more than enough for coastal use). There are some small black boxes available which do this - for < $200 - which may be worth looking at. Should you want a more high-tech solution then I would recommend a Pactor 3 Modem (alas not cheap), an HF Radio and a small laptop (or Raspberry Pi) - and connect to a mail server using SailMail - and receive a GRIB file - which allows you to do much better weather modelling than some nasty Fax every did. It takes less than 90 seconds to receive the GRIB files (assuming you are not taking masses of data like wave height etc). Fair winds & 73s Tim - A45WG > On 11 Apr 2016, at 01:28, Clint wrote: > > > > I am looking for a simple Windows 7, 8, 10 program that can decode > NOAA HF weather faxes using a laptop soundcard. I am helping my bro > set-up his boat and a Marine SSB/Ham radio. > > Most programs I see are older, run Lunix or are to complex, we need > something simple. Any ideas? > > > > Clint > > KI6SSN > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > a45wg at sy-edm.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4grj at satterfield.org From thelastdb at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 09:29:45 2016 From: thelastdb at gmail.com (Myron Schaffer) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 07:29:45 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] RFI resistant Monitor In-Reply-To: <570B4067.8000307@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1460353466706-7616198.post@n2.nabble.com> <570B4067.8000307@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <570ba6c5.e8896b0a.418bd.5057@mx.google.com> One thing I have noticed over the years is that the near-field noise is present with most any modern electronics. The switching frequency is between 200-300kHz and can be easily sniffed with a pocket AM radio (harmonics of that fundamental switching frequency are easily spotted with an AM radio). When I bring my CCrane Pocket Radio in the near field at the operating position, I can?t tune in the semi-local 600 KCOL out of Greely, CO. If I back up a few feet the noise level drops considerably and the station is audible again. The CC Pocket Radio has a fairly good front end with somewhat good selectivity but is still overloaded with IBOC noise. I have battery chargers, an old Dell 1501 laptop, an external HD with switcher, the list goes on. Common mode noise and strong near-field noise is the bane of my ham radio existence in this RFI rich environment. Myron WV0H Printed on Recycled Data From: Jim Brown Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:14 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RFI resistant Monitor On Sun,4/10/2016 10:44 PM, KC6CNN wrote: > I just found that when the monitor is on it adds 2 bars of noise to my > meter. It is also turning off when I operate on certain bands. I had exactly that experience with a Samsung that W4UAT gave me because it did that in his shack too. It also makes RF noise. The good news is that not all Samsung monitors are RFI dogs. I have two recent model Samsungs in my house and four in the shack. They are designed to run on power supplies labeled 14VDC, and the supply they sell you is a switching power supply that makes RF noise. I throw those power supplies away, cut the attached power cable and attach red/black PowePoles, and run them from either the 12V battery system in my shack or a small 12V lead-acid cell that I float-charge from a linear 12V wall wart. I also use ferrite common mode chokes on both the video cable that runs to the computer and the power supply cable "just in case" some RF trash is conducted to those cables, which the cables could radiate. All that, and a lot more, is discussed in this "in progress" article for the National Contest Journal. k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to thelastdb at gmail.com From Gary at ka1j.com Mon Apr 11 10:29:25 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:29:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RFI resistant Monitor In-Reply-To: <1460353466706-7616198.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460353466706-7616198.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570BB4C5.15416.B0113D0@Gary.ka1j.com> Gerald, I'm using a pair of AOC monitors. The 27" is the computer display; model E2752She Current cost $159, I bought it from http://www.bhphotovideo.com/ It was $139 when I bought it. Its easily worth the $159. It plugs into the wall socket, has been running 3 hours now and is cool to the touch. The P3 monitor is AOC 23" 12367F I paid something like $115 for it at Best Buy. It's easily worth much more. Runs on a 12V supply that looks like a laptop PS. It is cool to the touch and also been on for 3 hours. Zero issues with the noise level from either one. Absolutely beautiful quality for the video, makes the P3 SVGA come alive. Extremely low power consumption. 73, Gary KA1J > Hello Everyone. > I am running a Samsung 21 inch monitor on my Elecraft P3 SVGA. > I just found that when the monitor is on it adds 2 bars of noise to my > meter. > It is also turning off when I operate on certain bands. > Does anyone know of a good monitor to combat RFI and Noise. > I have had some local hams tell me to cut the power cable and run it from my > Astron and take out the switching power supply that came with the Samsung > monitor. > Any suggestions and thoughts are appreciated. Oh PS I do have a bunch of > beads on the cable from P3 to monitor and on the power cable. > > Thanks > Gerald > KC6CNN From w0eb at cox.net Mon Apr 11 10:43:46 2016 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:43:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] RFI resistant Monitor In-Reply-To: <570BB4C5.15416.B0113D0@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: I have 3 Acer monitors (one 19" square and two 23" wider screen). The 19" runs directly on 120VAC and the twp 23" ones have small switching mode power supplies that look like laptop supplies and put out 13.8/14 volts. The switcher supplies for these 2 monitors appear to be virtually noise free. At least I have not had any noise problems that I can attribute to them and they have been on the desk for several years now. My major noise source has always been the 7500 volt power lines that run across the South and West sides of my small city lot. Fortunately the utility company ran afoul of the FCC several years ago and they are very responsive to noise/interference calls. Jim - W0EB From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Apr 11 11:35:29 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 08:35:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? [Answer] In-Reply-To: <3E23C54E-0A4A-4069-B63A-81E7608ADF8D@gmail.com> References: <3E23C54E-0A4A-4069-B63A-81E7608ADF8D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jim Miller wrote: > Does the RTTY decoder in the K3 implement UOS? Hi Jim, Would have answered this sooner but I was on vacation last week. No, we do not do UOS (unshift-on-space). However, there's a menu entry in the K3/K3S, CONFIG:TTY LTR, that you can assign to a programmable function switch (PFx/Mx). Having done this, you can press that switch to do a figures-to-letters shift at any time. 73, Wayne N6KR From davidahrendts at me.com Mon Apr 11 11:35:28 2016 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 08:35:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RFI resistant Monitor In-Reply-To: <570ba6c5.e8896b0a.418bd.5057@mx.google.com> References: <1460353466706-7616198.post@n2.nabble.com> <570B4067.8000307@audiosystemsgroup.com> <570ba6c5.e8896b0a.418bd.5057@mx.google.com> Message-ID: May I encourage everyone to study the excellent work from Jim Brown, K9YC ? he weighed in here and you?ll see his link below. I?m also taking his suggestion after careful study to replace the parallel zip line red-black cable with shielded twisted pair cable (18 AWG ) with the Anderson Power Poles connectors. The theory being that anything twisted will resist RFI while parallel cable invites it and generates it. A fist full of ferrites helps also. Getting surgical, but it really helps. David A., KK6DA > On Apr 11, 2016, at 6:29 AM, Myron Schaffer wrote: > > One thing I have noticed over the years is that the near-field noise is present with most any modern electronics. The switching frequency is between 200-300kHz and can be easily sniffed with a pocket AM radio (harmonics of that fundamental switching frequency are easily spotted with an AM radio). When I bring my CCrane Pocket Radio in the near field at the operating position, I can?t tune in the semi-local 600 KCOL out of Greely, CO. If I back up a few feet the noise level drops considerably and the station is audible again. The CC Pocket Radio has a fairly good front end with somewhat good selectivity but is still overloaded with IBOC noise. > > I have battery chargers, an old Dell 1501 laptop, an external HD with switcher, the list goes on. Common mode noise and strong near-field noise is the bane of my ham radio existence in this RFI rich environment. > > Myron WV0H > Printed on Recycled Data > > From: Jim Brown > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:14 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RFI resistant Monitor > > On Sun,4/10/2016 10:44 PM, KC6CNN wrote: >> I just found that when the monitor is on it adds 2 bars of noise to my >> meter. It is also turning off when I operate on certain bands. > > I had exactly that experience with a Samsung that W4UAT gave me because > it did that in his shack too. It also makes RF noise. The good news is > that not all Samsung monitors are RFI dogs. I have two recent model > Samsungs in my house and four in the shack. They are designed to run on > power supplies labeled 14VDC, and the supply they sell you is a > switching power supply that makes RF noise. I throw those power supplies > away, cut the attached power cable and attach red/black PowePoles, and > run them from either the 12V battery system in my shack or a small 12V > lead-acid cell that I float-charge from a linear 12V wall wart. > > I also use ferrite common mode chokes on both the video cable that runs > to the computer and the power supply cable "just in case" some RF trash > is conducted to those cables, which the cables could radiate. > > All that, and a lot more, is discussed in this "in progress" article for > the National Contest Journal. k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to thelastdb at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From k6crcus at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 11:52:21 2016 From: k6crcus at gmail.com (Randy Cook) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 08:52:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS- K3 + Options Message-ID: Moving toward a KX3 for portable I am the original and only owner of the radio. It has always been indoors in a non-smoking environment. It is fully functional, clean, and well cared for. Never portable or mobile. A few very minor marks. The serial is 2051 and the radio was updated to current specs and aligned by Elecraft. The latest revision of DSP Board was installed a year ago as an upgrade. A new KIO3A was also installed. All firmware is at the latest release level. Includes: - Standard 2.7kHz 5 pole filter - Power cable with PowerPoles on both ends - Owners Manual (latest revision) reproduced on high quality laser printer - All update and factory mod documentation as supplied by Elecraft - Third party handheld mic, used only a few times (I use headset normally) - Serial-to-USB adapter (utilizes standard FTDI chipset) Options installed with the radio: KAT3 Internal Tuner KPA3 100 Watt internal PA KXV3 RX Ant. I/O, Transverter, IF Output KFL3B FM 8 pole roofing filter KBFP3 General Coverage RX Module Only issue is a hairline crack in VFO B Knob. I have ordered replacement. $1900.00 via PayPal, shipped UPS Ground Insured to CONUS (only) to PayPal registered address. I am a long time list member, and have 100% feedback on eBay (cander111). I will ship next day after payment is received. 73 Randy Cook - K6CRC k6crcus at gmail.com From hsilverwater at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 12:19:05 2016 From: hsilverwater at gmail.com (Silverwater) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 09:19:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Fldigi & K3S USB, Windows 10 setup Message-ID: <1460391545957-7616216.post@n2.nabble.com> Need setup information of Fldigi in order to receive and transmit with Hellschreiber (Feld Hell). I am asking about CW too, just to have that option. Anyhow, I'm currently a CW (80%) and SSB operator, I enjoy antenna design/construction? but I need help with understanding the computer interface with rigs. (I have had success with digital setups with other rigs (not Elecraft). I just followed instruction posted by others? but a deep understanding I didn't have. I have the K3s since last November 2015 and have successfully connected/used the K3 Utility program and now want to use Fldigi with the K3s. My first question: Is the USB connection, the only cable needed to interface my computer to the K3s using Fldigi? Other related questions: Does the USB connection supply the audio received from the K3s to the computer AND supply the audio out from the computer to the K3s? If I'm using the K3s USB cable, does the Fldigi use ONLY the K3s's built in sound card or a combination with the computer's soundcard? Should I use Hamlib from the Fdigi configuration, and which check boxes settings: Audio, DTR, CTS, XON, XOFF, recommended baud rates, stop bits?? For Hellschreiber and CW modes should I be on DATA A digital mode while using Fldigi? If "USB cable ONLY" option is valid, what settings on the K3s need to be changed for Fldigi? Additional Notes: My computer OS: Windows 10. I have chosen for both the recording/playback : USB Audio CODEC? also the proper COM was chosen. I have read many previous posts? and tried to understand them in search of answers to the above questions? but still confused? need more info. Thank you for your valuable time! 73, 4x1zz Howard Silverwater -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Fldigi-K3S-USB-Windows-10-setup-tp7616216.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Apr 11 12:39:30 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 09:39:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RFI resistant Monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <570BD342.2030603@audiosystemsgroup.com> In the tutorial at the link posted, I wrote: Evaluating Equipment For Noise: When someone tells you that XYZ equipment produces no noise on the ham bands because he can?t hear any noise in his radio, should you believe that the equipment is clean? NO! The equipment may be noisy but is not heard because it is being covered by other noise from the neighborhood. Figs 7 and 8 compare the daytime 80M spectra at K6GFJ in a San Jose residential neighborhood and K9YC 30 miles to the south in the Santa Cruz Mountains. The difference in the noise floor is 10 dB. And it?s certainly not dead quiet in the mountains, either ? everything on the displays from both QTHs is noise from either switching power supplies or other electronic sources. Proximity to Antennas Is What Matters: Noise radiates from sources on wires that are connected to noise sources, and enters our receivers via our antennas. My SteppIR that?s up 120 ft and is 200 ft from the shack doesn?t hear much noise from the shack, but the 160M Tee vertical only 25 ft from the operating position does. When someone tells you that a particular model of internet router or video monitor sits next to his power amp and there?s no RFI, ask him how far it is from his antennas, not from his radio. 73, Jim K9YC On Mon,4/11/2016 7:43 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote: > The switcher supplies for these 2 monitors appear to be virtually > noise free. At least I have not had any noise problems that I can > attribute to them and they have been on the desk for several years now. > > My major noise source has always been the 7500 volt power lines that > run across the South and West sides of my small city lot. Fortunately > the utility company ran afoul of the FCC several years ago and they > are very responsive to noise/interference calls. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Apr 11 12:40:11 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 09:40:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RFI resistant Monitor In-Reply-To: <570ba6c5.e8896b0a.418bd.5057@mx.google.com> References: <1460353466706-7616198.post@n2.nabble.com> <570B4067.8000307@audiosystemsgroup.com> <570ba6c5.e8896b0a.418bd.5057@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <570BD36B.9020100@audiosystemsgroup.com> You'll find exactly these suggestions in the tutorial at the link I posted. 73, Jim K9YC On Mon,4/11/2016 6:29 AM, Myron Schaffer wrote: > > One thing I have noticed over the years is that the near-field noise > is present with most any modern electronics. The switching frequency > is between 200-300kHz and can be easily sniffed with a pocket AM radio > (harmonics of that fundamental switching frequency are easily spotted > with an AM radio). When I bring my CCrane Pocket Radio in the near > field at the operating position, I can?t tune in the semi-local 600 > KCOL out of Greely, CO. If I back up a few feet the noise level drops > considerably and the station is audible again. The CC Pocket Radio has > a fairly good front end with somewhat good selectivity but is still > overloaded with IBOC noise. > > I have battery chargers, an old Dell 1501 laptop, an external HD with > switcher, the list goes on. Common mode noise and strong near-field > noise is the bane of my ham radio existence in this RFI rich environment. > From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Apr 11 13:18:55 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:18:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: HF weather fax In-Reply-To: References: <000901d1936f$fc6f98c0$f54eca40$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <570BDC7F.1060406@foothill.net> Ummm ... NAVTEX is transmitted on a rotating schedule covering several dozen "regions" world-wide from a variety of stations, all on 518 KHz. Each station has a time slot -- 5 mins or so -- and the traffic varies and is highly repetitive. There is some WX, but it's mainly Notice to Mariners about various conditions and situations such as hazards, objects falling from the sky without warning [aka military exercises], lights and buoy's out of service, and the like. With the new synthesizer, I can copy NAVTEX [or at least could, haven't tried since we moved to N. NV] very well on my K3. If I recall right, connect the antenna to the auxiliary RX ANT jack. There are a number of decoders, I use YAND [Yet Another NAVTEX Decoder] which is free and findable using the usual methods. The transmission is SITOR-B, using the CCIR-476 character code and I think is unreadable using a normal 5-unit RTTY decoder, although I've never tried it. I think AMTOR FEC mode will decode it, although I've never tried that either. Any vessel sailing in the open ocean should have NAVTEX receive, but for general weather, it is probably not adequate. The WEFAX transmissions include visible and IR satellite photography, what appear to be hand-drawn forecast summaries [those of the Bering Sea will have the edge of the ice pack marked], wave height charts, schedules, and synopses. They are way bigger than what our printers will handle, you need to wait until it gets to the area you're interested in before starting to save the image to a file for printing. On 4/11/2016 5:07 AM, a45wg wrote: > Clint, Your brother will find it easier to revise the 518 Khz NavText > messages - which are transmitted every 6 hours (if memory serves me > correct). They are a simply RTTY format. I tried for long time to get > HF WeFAX to work - but the number of stations transmitting it are > extremely few and far between. They are more local +/- 1500 kms (more > than enough for coastal use). There are some small black boxes > available which do this - for < $200 - which may be worth looking > at. From pauls at elecraft.com Mon Apr 11 13:38:27 2016 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:38:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ref Lvl saving In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1460396307477-7616220.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Bill, Make sure you have SpanScale turned off, and then try it. I just tried it here on my bench units. I put the K3 on 160 and set the RevLvl to 139 (it's noisy here). Then power cycled the radio and P3. The P3 came up with 139 on 160 meters. -Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Ref-Lvl-saving-tp7616201p7616220.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Mon Apr 11 14:04:50 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:04:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Minimum bandwidth? In-Reply-To: References: <003601d1930f$9cd82ae0$d68880a0$@austin.rr.com> <570A848F.6000709@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <570BE742.4030508@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> My connection here has exceptionally high jitter, which is worse, but also fairly unusual. A half-second of latency means you're hearing what happened a half-second ago, and when you key the transmitter, it's going to happen a half-second from now. Going back to the original question, it is nearly impossible today to buy too little bandwidth. We're also talking about audio, not video. The question "is 1 megabit/sec. enough" is like asking if you can pull a kids wagon around with a very large truck. Yes, you can, but you can also pull it with one hand. 73 -- Lynn On 4/11/2016 4:47 AM, Poul Erik Karlsh?j (PKA) wrote: >> The key question is always latency. > > Maybe the problems Lynn refers to is more due to very high jitter. > From n9tf at comcast.net Mon Apr 11 14:05:16 2016 From: n9tf at comcast.net (n9tf at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 18:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ref Lvl saving In-Reply-To: <1460396307477-7616220.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460396307477-7616220.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1907264969.7582509.1460397916232.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> WOW! I wish my noise floor was only that noisy on 160!! I'm happy when it goes down to -110DBm. I average about -100DBm!! Gene, N9TF ? Hi Bill, Make sure you have SpanScale turned off, and then try it. ?I just tried it here on my bench units. ?I put the K3 on 160 and set the RevLvl to 139 (it's noisy here). ?Then power cycled the radio and P3. ?The P3 came up with 139 on 160 meters. -Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Ref-Lvl-saving-tp7616201p7616220.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n9tf at comcast.net From km6cq at km6cq.com Mon Apr 11 14:33:03 2016 From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:33:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale at Visalia. Message-ID: Hello, I am going to Visalia Thursday through Sunday. I have some items for sale and can deliver them to anyone interested. They are; (No scuffs or scratches on these, They are very clean. It has been my backup radio with very little use.) KX Kooler $95 XG50 $30 KX3 Paddle $95 Pro Audio Eng Power Supply $45 KX3 Fully Loaded with 2 Meters/Mic and Cable Kit. $1490 SGC-500 $750 I can demo that, it is installed in my pickup. Please contact me with any questions. Thanks, Dan KM6CQ From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Apr 11 14:48:57 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:48:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Minimum bandwidth? In-Reply-To: <570BE742.4030508@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <003601d1930f$9cd82ae0$d68880a0$@austin.rr.com> <570A848F.6000709@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <570BE742.4030508@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <570BF199.1000203@foothill.net> To speak to the original question directly ... I run remote to W7RN [right now, all I have, just getting local stealth antenna up] using RemoteRig RRC-1258 Mk2. We have DirecTV and ATT Uverse at 45 Mbps. I have watched the Win10 Task Manager WiFi display when I'm on CW and my wife is not watching Netflix or Amazon and it hangs around 150 Kbps with some occasional peaks to perhaps 200 Kbps. I've only done one NAQP SSB remotely, and it was about the same. I suspect it is using as much BW as it wants to and since we have way more than it needs, it uses it. I'd bet it would work OK on 128 Kbps ISDN ... do they still have ISDN? My RT ping times to W7RN range from about 25 to 60 ms, 70 ms is the highest I've ever seen and that was just once, average is about 35-40 ms. BW does not seem to be the big issue ... jitter, and dropped/delayed packets is more important. Initially, the latency bothered me, however after a couple of contest efforts, I no longer notice it. The W7RN radio is a K3+KPA500+KAT500. I connect to the local PC and remotely control it using TeamViewer and I see and control just as if I was on-site. The Green Heron rotator controls are on one screen, I just drag the display for the stack I want to use to the heading I want. The latency is apparent there, I've just learned to drag it slowly. The KPA500 monitor also appears, as does a webcam shot of the K3 and antenna usage indicator. My K3 front panel repeats what's on the remote radio. Jitter and dropped packets are annoying, the severity varies some. At 30 WPM, it appears that one dit more or less fits into a packet, and if delayed, it is delivered out of sequence to the codec. That too has faded somewhat into the distance for me as I gain experience using the remote. And, the very high CoAA [Coefficient of Aerial Aluminum] at W7RN makes up for a lot of other small annoyances -- if I call, they generally answer me first. :-)) The RemoteRig manuals and UI are a bit obscure and as my friend N6XI mentions, "too many moving parts," but once set up and optimized for the I'net connection, you never really need to touch it again. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 4/11/2016 11:04 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > My connection here has exceptionally high jitter, which is worse, but > also fairly unusual. > > A half-second of latency means you're hearing what happened a > half-second ago, and when you key the transmitter, it's going to happen > a half-second from now. > > Going back to the original question, it is nearly impossible today to > buy too little bandwidth. We're also talking about audio, not video. > > The question "is 1 megabit/sec. enough" is like asking if you can pull a > kids wagon around with a very large truck. Yes, you can, but you can > also pull it with one hand. From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Apr 11 17:05:08 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:05:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 UOS? [Answer] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I notice that fldigi seems to have unshift on space on by default. 73 Bill AE6JV On 4/11/16 at 8:35 AM, n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) wrote: >Jim Miller wrote: > >>Does the RTTY decoder in the K3 implement UOS? > > >Hi Jim, > >Would have answered this sooner but I was on vacation last week. >No, we do not do UOS (unshift-on-space). However, there's a >menu entry in the K3/K3S, CONFIG:TTY LTR, that you can assign >to a programmable function switch (PFx/Mx). Having done this, >you can press that switch to do a figures-to-letters shift at >any time. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |"We used to quip that "password" is the most common 408-356-8506 | password. Now it's 'password1.' Who said users haven't www.pwpconsult.com | learned anything about security?" -- Bruce Schneier From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Apr 11 17:05:08 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:05:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Ref Lvl saving In-Reply-To: <570BEAE4.3010708@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hi Paul Thanks for looking into what is really a minor issue. Here's what I see with my setup: K3 6299, P3 2380 with SVGA (which I think I ordered at the same time as the P3). P3 is powered from K3. The K3 is running: MCU 5.38, DSPs 2.86, FP 1.25, DVR 1.03 The P3 is 1.60 SVGA 1.34 and SpanScale is OFF. (I noticed this issue with earlier versions of the P3 firmware.) The span on 80M is 100KHz and on 160M is 200KHz. I power on and set 160M Ref Lvl 96, switch to 80M and note that the Ref Lvl is 111. Power off and on with the K3 power button. Radio is on 80M and Ref Lvl is 111. Switch to 160M and Ref Lvl is 96. If I change SpanScale to REF LVL only and repeat the test: I power on and set 160M Ref Lvl 96, switch to 80M and note that the Ref Lvl is 111. Power off and on with the K3 power button. Radio is on 80M and Ref Lvl is 111. Switch to 160M and Ref Lvl is ***111***. For completeness, I tried with SpanScale REF LVL & SCALE and the 160M Ref Lvl was also 111. SpanScale is certainly part of the issue. 73 Bill AE6JV On 4/11/16 at 11:20 AM, psaffren at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren) wrote: >BIll, > >I just cannot duplicate that here on the bench. I am using >version 1.60 in my P3. Here are the steps that I do: > >1) put the K3 on 160 meters, and then set the ref level to say 126. >2) put the K3 on 80 meters and then change the ref level to 145. >3) power cycle the unit. >4) go back to 160, and check the ref level. It is in fact 126. > >Question, what is the span on 160? > >-Paul > >On 04/11/2016 11:12 AM, bill at k1gq.com wrote: >>Paul, >> >>With SpanScale ON, if I power cycle with the radio on 160, the REF LVL is restored correctly. If I >power cycle with the radio on another band, then the 160 REF >LVL is not restored correctly. I?ve never seen this happen >for any band other than 160. >> >>I need SpanScale more than I need remembered 160m REF LVL, so I?m content with this small issue. >> >>Thanks for the note about the serial command. >> >>Bill, K1GQ >> >>>On Apr 11, 2016, at 1:58 PM, Paul Saffren wrote: >>> >>>Hi Bill, >>> >>>Regarding the serial command not saving the span: there is a known bug in the P3 with saving the >span when a serial command is used. This will be available in the next release. >>> >>>Regarding 160 meters not saving the ref level correctly: it still sounds like the ref level issue >is with SpanScale. If you turn off spanscale, does it fix the problem? >>> >>>-Paul >>> >>> >>>On 04/11/2016 10:47 AM, bill at k1gq.com wrote: >>>>Paul, >>>> >>>>Interesting. I too see the failure to remember REF LEVEL only on 160. And I need SpanScale turned >on. >>>> >>>>Perhaps this is related: when I set SPAN using the #SPAN command, change bands on K3 then change >back, the SPAN I just set is not remembered. This does work as expected when I use the P3 buttons. >>>> >>>>Or maybe this only happens to P3 owners named Bill :-) >>>> >>>> Bill, K1GQ >>>> >>>>>On Apr 11, 2016, at 1:38 PM, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Hi Bill, >>>>> >>>>>Make sure you have SpanScale turned off, and then try it. I just tried it >>>>>here on my bench units. I put the K3 on 160 and set the RevLvl to 139 (it's >>>>>noisy here). Then power cycled the radio and P3. The P3 came up with 139 >>>>>on 160 meters. >>>>> >>>>>-Paul >>>>> >>>-- >>>Paul Saffren, N6HZ >>>www.elecraft.com >>>831-763-4211 x122 >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |"Web security is like medicine - trying to do good for 408-356-8506 |an evolved body of kludges" - Mark Miller www.pwpconsult.com | From k2asp at kanafi.org Mon Apr 11 18:05:46 2016 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:05:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Operating remotely via Direct TV satellite provider In-Reply-To: <01d201d192dd$efd5a9c0$cf80fd40$@com> References: <5709CE25.5080003@cis-broadband.com> <01d201d192dd$efd5a9c0$cf80fd40$@com> Message-ID: <570C1FBA.3040809@kanafi.org> On 4/9/2016 9:03 PM, Cliff Frescura wrote: > Yes, the signal has to travel ~22,300 miles x 2 (up and down). In the early days of satellite telephone circuits (late 1960s - early 1970s before they used echo suppressors) the audible echo was about 3 seconds. Very disconcerting. ---- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From k6crcus at gmail.com Mon Apr 11 18:35:59 2016 From: k6crcus at gmail.com (Randy Cook) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:35:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS- K3 + Options Message-ID: Radio was sold. Thanks. 73 Randy Cook - K6CRC k6crcus at gmail.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Apr 11 19:07:20 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 19:07:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fldigi & K3S USB, Windows 10 setup In-Reply-To: <1460391545957-7616216.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460391545957-7616216.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570C2E28.1010000@embarqmail.com> Howard, Let me try to help simplify things for you. I cannot tell you exactly how to run your computer, but I can tell you about the K3S part of it. Take it one step at a time. First, yes, the built-in CODEC in the K3S can be used as the soundcard for digital applications such as Fldigi. The first requirement is that the computer install the driver for that soundcard which allows it to show up as the available soundcards in Fldigi. If you do not see that soundcard listed on your computer, that is a problem that must be addressed first - likely a bad driver installation. Once you have the soundcard installed properly on the computer, then you should be able to receive and send data modes from Fldigi. Use DATA A - and you will probably want to widen the DSP filter width because it defaults to a narrow width to allow tuning to a single signal with VFO A. For use with a waterfall display such as Fldigi provides, you will want a filter width similar to the SSB filter width (2.7 or 2.8 kHz). Adjustment of the LINE OUT level on the K3S (a CONFIG Menu setting) should allow Fldigi to decode whichever data mode you select in Fldigi. Adjust the level (and possibly the soundcard slider) to give you the proper background color and signal color in the Fldigi waterfall. Be aware that the default sideband for DATA A is USB. If you are using an Fldigi data mode that requires LSB, you can use ALT to switch sidebands on the K3S. Once you have Fldigi receiving and decoding properly, you can move on to transmit. With the K3S, you can make adjustments in TX TEST mode - everything works the same as in transmit mode, but no RF is transmitted. You can set VOX on but if you choose not to do that, you will have to use some sort of PTT. The K3 has a KEY-PTT config menu item that you can set to either RTS or DTR for PTT - make certain that Fldigi and whatever you are using for rig PTT is set to use the same signal as you have set for PTT in the K3S. Make certain you do not have anything plugged into the LINE IN jack on the back of the K3S - that takes precedence over the K3S internal soundcard "line in". Adjust the soundcard slider for 75% to 100% and then set the K3S LINE IN level to produce 4 bars on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flickering. That is the correct audio level. Take the K3S out of TX TEST and you should be able to transmit. Adjust the power level with the K3S power knob - do not attempt to control the power with the audio level - that may appear to work, but will work badly. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/11/2016 12:19 PM, Silverwater wrote: > Need setup information of Fldigi in order to receive and transmit with > Hellschreiber (Feld Hell). I am asking about CW too, just to have that > option. > Anyhow, I'm currently a CW (80%) and SSB operator, I enjoy antenna > design/construction? but I need help with understanding the computer > interface with rigs. (I have had success with digital setups with other rigs > (not Elecraft). I just followed instruction posted by others? but a deep > understanding I didn't have. > I have the K3s since last November 2015 and have successfully connected/used > the K3 Utility program and now want to use Fldigi with the K3s. > My first question: Is the USB connection, the only cable needed to interface > my computer to the K3s using Fldigi? > Other related questions: > Does the USB connection supply the audio received from the K3s to the > computer AND supply the audio out from the computer to the K3s? > If I'm using the K3s USB cable, does the Fldigi use ONLY the K3s's built in > sound card or a combination with the computer's soundcard? > Should I use Hamlib from the Fdigi configuration, and which check boxes > settings: Audio, DTR, CTS, XON, XOFF, recommended baud rates, stop bits?? > For Hellschreiber and CW modes should I be on DATA A digital mode while > using Fldigi? > If "USB cable ONLY" option is valid, what settings on the K3s need to be > changed for Fldigi? > > Additional Notes: My computer OS: Windows 10. I have chosen for both the > recording/playback : USB Audio CODEC? also the proper COM was chosen. > I have read many previous posts? and tried to understand them in search of > answers to the above questions? but still confused? need more info. Thank > you for your valuable time! > 73, 4x1zz Howard Silverwater > From w2lj at verizon.net Mon Apr 11 19:16:33 2016 From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry W2LJ) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 19:16:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC April Sprint this Tuesday Evening Message-ID: The April sprint is this coming Tuesday evening local time (April 12th, EDT - 8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT - 5:30-7:30PM), which translates as Wednesday, April 13th, 0030 to 0230Z in all cases. For all the "official" information, please go to: http://www.naqcc.info/sprint201604.html There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important information. Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and DX for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers (New!). A Certificate for top score in the GAIN antenna category. Prizes: Too many to list!! - check out the prizes page on our website. This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, straight key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but you must use QRP power levels to compete for awards. If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help you make your contacts. If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have 7100+ members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate, with your membership number on it, which is good for life. Come join us and have a real good time! 72/73 de Larry W2LJ NAQCC #35 for NAQCC http://naqcc.info/ From ron at cobi.biz Mon Apr 11 22:59:38 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 19:59:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Codecs and Remote Desktop In-Reply-To: <1460219081226-7616124.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460219081226-7616124.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <001201d19467$5a4022b0$0ec06810$@biz> Jack, did you check for proper operation of the speaker and phones logic as described in the update instructions: . Hold CONFIG to enter the configuration menu and turn B (VFO B) to locate SPKR+PH on the LCD. . Turn the A (VFO A) knob so no is displayed on the LCD. . Check to see if audio is present in the speaker with phones unplugged. If not tap the 1 switch on the keypad until you see PH.R SW - on the LCD (be sure the - sign is displayed at the end). This is the default setting required with the KIO3B installed that restores normal operation; Selecting no will silence the speaker when phones are plugged in and if yES is selected both phones and speaker will be active at the same time. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of wa9fvp Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2016 9:25 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Codecs and Remote Desktop After installing the KIO3B, I had no problem passing audio to and from my W7 PC. The speaker and microphone codec appear in the Sound Control panel. When I try to use Remote desktop, the codecs a are gone and there's no sound on my Dell laptop. When I check the Sound Control the only sound device that appears in the Playback tab is a Speaker and the Recording tab is blank. When I check "Play on remote computer" and launch RDT, The Sound Control shows the K3 codecs and I can hear sound on the host computer. Before I launched RDT, at the Local Resources tab/Settings I checked "Play on this computer". Here's my conundrum. For a pan-adapter, I use an SDR-14 software defined receiver from RF-Space. The Spectra-Vue software is compatible with the K3. I feeds off the K3's IF and it functions like the P3 except the spectrum display is on the PC monitor. Within the span it can also serve as a 2nd or 3rd receiver and the audio from each demodulator is fed separately to each speaker. When I use Remote Desktop the audio is passed to my Laptop and when I click on the Taskbar-Speaker icon, the Spectra-Vue volume control is shown. My question is "What is the difference between the Spectra-Vue codec and the K3 codac? Why is the audio available on the SDR-14 but not on the K3. ----- Jack WA9FVP Sent from my TRS-80 :-) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Codecs-and-Remote-Desktop-tp7616124. html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From indians at xsmail.com Tue Apr 12 04:20:24 2016 From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 01:20:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Old K1 rev. manuals archive Message-ID: <1460449224171-7616232.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi folks, I am so sorry to bother over there. My 14yrs old son Jakub got last week as the gift from our common friend in DL non-working K1 (2-bands basic model 40/20m). This little radio was declared as non-working with very bad soldering job from preview owner (bought on eBay) to be repaired. At home we found that it is just basic RF board + 2-bands 40/20m filter board only, no options. On the RF board (if I remember well) we found that it is K1 RF 2000 rev.D so it is pretty early model. I would like to ask if there is possible to somewhere find the older assembly manuals revisions (2000 rev.D)please? We will need it for debugging the K1. I tried to find it on Elecraft web but no success... Many thanks, 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Old-K1-rev-manuals-archive-tp7616232.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From hsilverwater at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 06:50:38 2016 From: hsilverwater at gmail.com (Silverwater) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 03:50:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Fldigi & K3S USB, Windows 10 setup In-Reply-To: <570C2E28.1010000@embarqmail.com> References: <570C2E28.1010000@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1460458238449-7616233.post@n2.nabble.com> To Don W3FPR, >From Howard 4x1zz, Tnx for your explanation concerning connecting Fldigi and the K3s's USB Audio Codec soundcard, it certainly simplified the matter. I did manage to get it working just before receiving your response and now with your explanation I reread past forum discussions and various manuals and put certain doubts to rest. The USB Audio Codec showed as an available soundcard? no problem here. My guess is that the driver was previously installed when I used the K3 Utility's terminal mode (de Elecraft). My problem was solved when I checked off (chose) "PTT via Hamlib command" (under Fldigi Configuration/RIG/Hamlib) AND no other option was checked off. Previously I tried (unsuccessfully) many different combinations of RTS, DTR and VOX settings. Now with the above "PTT via Hamlib command" checked & the PPT-KEY is set to OFF-OFF (under DATA A)? and all is working fine. You did mention that I can use these other PTT options but I will need more of an understanding before implementing these "other" PTT methods. Since my goal was Hellschreiber (Feld Hell) I knew to use DATA A (I've read that compression & TX/RX equalization are turned off in DATA A). I am also aware the DATA A parameters need to be setup for each band. I set the bandwidth wide for receiving. (At a later date I'll experiment with CW and Fldigi, but for now I do not have a use for it? except curiosity). I didn't see that the filters & bandwidth settings defaults to a narrow width (as you mentioned)? I've only experienced the DATA A remembering my last settings? but I'll look out for this. I did not adjust the LINE OUT (LIN OUT) level and kept it at the default setting of NOR 10. There is a warning (in the manual) that levels above 10 might overdrive the soundcard and other bad side effects. With some experience I'll understand better how to monitor the signal using the PC via the proper background/signal color in the FLdigi waterfall that you mentioned. The TX Test mode is a good and convenient feature, I've used it during this setup and in the past. I set the soundcard's output level, via the computer so that the ALC level showed 4 bars with the fifth flickering? the level happened to be 75%. Yes, if a cable is plugged into the LINE IN jack on the back of the K3S, the K3S's soundcard will not see the USB's input, even if opposite end of the cable is not attached to the computer. I made my first QSO on this mode, FELD HELL (Hellschreiber), to Canada (14.074 MHz)? exciting is an understatement! Thank you DON, W3FPR for assistance, patience, valuable time and kindness. Sincerely, Howard 4x1zz -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-Fldigi-K3S-USB-Windows-10-setup-tp7616229p7616233.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From MyFord at nc.rr.com Tue Apr 12 07:18:01 2016 From: MyFord at nc.rr.com (MyFord at nc.rr.com) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 07:18:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 mic Message-ID: <8C56CCB3-AEBA-4C26-998E-A82013464C21@nc.rr.com> I very recently purchased a K2 for my XYL. It comes with a handful of internal options but no mic. What kind of mic do you use and do you recommend it? She does not want a head set. Her old HF is a Yaesu FT-840 and it has a very nice desk mic, which she has enjoyed using for just over 22 years. 73, Steve KI4EZL From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 12 07:30:19 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 07:30:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 mic In-Reply-To: <8C56CCB3-AEBA-4C26-998E-A82013464C21@nc.rr.com> References: <8C56CCB3-AEBA-4C26-998E-A82013464C21@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <570CDC4B.1030205@embarqmail.com> Steve, The K2 can be configured to use several different microphones. You will have to examine the microphone configuration header on the back of the front panel to determine which microphone that K2 is set up to use. See the KSB2 manual for how it can be wired for the various microphones. You may wish to rewire the microphone configuration header so she can use that Yaesu microphone. If you do not know how to open the K2 and remove the front panel, you can use my instructions intended for gaining access to the headphone jack at http://www.qsl.net/wy3a/Replace_K2_Headphone_Jack.htm - you don't have to replace the jack, but the instructions for disassembling the K2 are the same. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/12/2016 7:18 AM, MyFord at nc.rr.com wrote: > I very recently purchased a K2 for my XYL. It comes with a handful of internal options but no mic. What kind of mic do you use and do you recommend it? She does not want a head set. Her old HF is a Yaesu FT-840 and it has a very nice desk mic, which she has enjoyed using for just over 22 years. > > 73, > Steve > KI4EZL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From hsilverwater at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 09:34:23 2016 From: hsilverwater at gmail.com (Silverwater, 4x1zz) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 06:34:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Help with K3, SignaLink USB and Fldigi! In-Reply-To: <1442657467521-7608033.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1442657467521-7608033.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1460468063770-7616237.post@n2.nabble.com> I have the K3s and I use the USB interface from the KIO3B (Audio/Digital I/O). This interface acts like a USB to-Serial Adapter USB Audio Codec and supplies a microphone input, speaker output and a USB Serial Port (i.e. COM1)? making the process quite simple... needing only the USB cable. So if you change to this setup, I can help (with documents, suggestions and explanations) since I just successfully connected to Fldigi to K3s using Windows 10. Howard 4x1zz -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Help-with-K3-SignaLink-USB-and-Fldigi-tp7608033p7616237.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From N3ND at aol.com Tue Apr 12 09:49:31 2016 From: N3ND at aol.com (Dan Atchison) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:49:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? Message-ID: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> The MB1 Transceiver http://sunsdr.eu/product/mb1/ From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Tue Apr 12 10:54:46 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 07:54:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 build from purgatory! Message-ID: <1460472886637-7616239.post@n2.nabble.com> Well, more kudos to Elecraft support are in order, so just want to give credit where exceptional credit is due. My second K2 build is going nowhere as smoothly as my first one: I somehow managed to lose D36, the SMT PIN diode and didn't discover that it was actually gone from my table until I got to that installation step. Prior to that, though, I managed to burn a pretty decent corner off one of the latching relays on the board. So I get to practice my difficult-to-remove-part removal skills to replace it! All this of course, a warning to everyone to not ever "press on" with a build when one is tired. That's how I managed to burn the corner off the relay while soldering in another component on the board, I just wasn't paying attention to where the iron was going! As for D36, I must have flicked it off the table at some point in the past and where she went, nobody knows. Despite all that, I'm still having a wonderful time with this build and have learnt more in the process than I think I ever did on any other project I've done. So I emailed parts at elecraft.com with my tail between my legs this weekend - I think they all know me there now LOL - and they sent me replacements yesterday, pretty much taking care of it right as they opened for business. So I should have the replacement parts in hand on Thurs. Can't get better service than that! Only a couple more parts and the receiver will be finished. If I made any goofs so far, well, I suppose I'll find out soon enough. Tnx to Elecraft and 73 LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-build-from-purgatory-tp7616239.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Apr 12 10:54:11 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 07:54:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Old K1 rev. manuals archive In-Reply-To: <1460449224171-7616232.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460449224171-7616232.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I edited the manual URL to list the directory. I see a manual for rev F, which might be close enough. http://www.elecraft.com/manual/ It looks like there are two naming conventions for the K1 manual, so keep looking through that directory. I see these two early ones: E740016E_K1_Rev_F-5.pdf K1_manual_rev_F.pdf wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Apr 12, 2016, at 1:20 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I am so sorry to bother over there. > > My 14yrs old son Jakub got last week as the gift from our common friend in > DL non-working K1 (2-bands basic model 40/20m). This little radio was > declared as non-working with very bad soldering job from preview owner > (bought on eBay) to be repaired. > > At home we found that it is just basic RF board + 2-bands 40/20m filter > board only, no options. On the RF board (if I remember well) we found that > it is K1 RF 2000 rev.D so it is pretty early model. > > I would like to ask if there is possible to somewhere find the older > assembly manuals revisions (2000 rev.D)please? We will need it for debugging > the K1. > > I tried to find it on Elecraft web but no success... > > Many thanks, > 73 - Petr, OK1RP > > > > ----- > http://ok1rp.blogspot.com > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Old-K1-rev-manuals-archive-tp7616232.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Tue Apr 12 11:02:11 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:02:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? In-Reply-To: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> References: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> Message-ID: <1460473331089-7616240.post@n2.nabble.com> Interesting, but I would have the following concerns just right off the bat: - looks huge and therefore possibly fragile. Would it be able to stand up to /p and dxpedition shipping/handling? - oh lordy the bugs, the bugs.... An entire computer inside a rig could also be a really buggy affair, and a LOT of software development/support infrastructure required at Ele. - the touch-screen issue that has been the subject of other threads. Restraint and careful design would be required. So those would be the negatives I would worry about off the top of my head. As for the positives, neat idea! Eliminating the external computer I think would be a great idea. An opportunity might exist for a happy medium in the "K4"? 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Will-the-K4-look-like-this-tp7616238p7616240.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk Tue Apr 12 11:06:31 2016 From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David Pratt) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:06:31 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? In-Reply-To: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> References: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> Message-ID: <20160412160631.791e2cc7@raspberrypi> You will have to wait until the Dayton hamvention to find out. 73 de David G4DMP On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:49:31 -0400 Dan Atchison via Elecraft wrote: > The MB1 Transceiver > > http://sunsdr.eu/product/mb1/ > From bob.novas at verizon.net Tue Apr 12 11:36:16 2016 From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 11:36:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? In-Reply-To: <20160412160631.791e2cc7@raspberrypi> References: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> <20160412160631.791e2cc7@raspberrypi> Message-ID: <0c7501d194d1$0dd2ce90$29786bb0$@verizon.net> Something I noticed from the video that I like is that the entire waterfall display moves when you tune the radio -the waterfall doesn't smoosh out over the screen. I think that's an improvement over the equivalent mode on the P3 where the waterfall fractures when you tune the radio. Bob W3DK > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David > Pratt > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 11:07 AM > To: Dan Atchison via Elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? > > You will have to wait until the Dayton hamvention to find out. > > 73 de David G4DMP > > On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:49:31 -0400 > Dan Atchison via Elecraft wrote: > > > The MB1 Transceiver > > > > http://sunsdr.eu/product/mb1/ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net From kwroberson at yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 11:18:22 2016 From: kwroberson at yahoo.com (Ken Roberson) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 15:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KXV3A - Xverter pwa References: <919046810.1670788.1460474302363.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <919046810.1670788.1460474302363.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello All,?I am in need of the older KXV3A ? I?m running this K3 with atransverter and Don?t need the extra pre-amp.?Please email direct, my email is good on qrz.?Thanks Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM?? From n5xl at hotmail.com Tue Apr 12 11:57:46 2016 From: n5xl at hotmail.com (N5XL .) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:57:46 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: HF weather fax In-Reply-To: <000901d1936f$fc6f98c0$f54eca40$@sbcglobal.net> References: <000901d1936f$fc6f98c0$f54eca40$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Clint, I just posted my experiences about receiving WEFAX images from the NWS on my blog. I've never received WEFAX images before today, so I am a complete novice to it. I used FLDIGI and a direct audio connection between my KX3 and computer. Pictures of WEFAX reception I copied are from NWS Point Reyes, California (NMC) are posted on the blog to view. >From a complete novice perspective and by the virtue of not needing any additional hardware for an interface, I dont think it gets any easier than using FLDIGI. http://n5xlhamradio.blogspot.com/ 73, Dave N5XL From dave at nk7z.net Tue Apr 12 12:16:55 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:16:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? In-Reply-To: <0c7501d194d1$0dd2ce90$29786bb0$@verizon.net> References: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> <20160412160631.791e2cc7@raspberrypi> <0c7501d194d1$0dd2ce90$29786bb0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1460477815.9530.51.camel@nk7z.net> On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 11:36 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: I think that's an improvement over the equivalent mode on the P3 where the waterfall fractures when you tune the radio. Bob W3DK Hi Bob, What mode are you talking about? ?I don't seem to remember anything but smooth movement of my Waterfall on my P3... ?Perhaps I am not in the same mode you are talking about? -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 11:36 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: I think that's an improvement over the equivalent mode on the P3 where the waterfall fractures when you tune the radio. Bob W3DK > From bob.novas at verizon.net Tue Apr 12 12:27:07 2016 From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 12:27:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? In-Reply-To: <1460477815.9530.51.camel@nk7z.net> References: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> <20160412160631.791e2cc7@raspberrypi> <0c7501d194d1$0dd2ce90$29786bb0$@verizon.net> <1460477815.9530.51.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <0c8801d194d8$287f8e70$797eab50$@verizon.net> you're gonna make me turn it on, aren't you. Fix-Track mode, where the spectrum moves when you tune the radio. The waterfall that's already fell stays where it is and the new waterfall line moves with the spectrum. I think it'd be better If the whole waterfall moved with the spectrum. Bob W3DK > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave > Cole > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 12:17 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? > > On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 11:36 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: > I think that's an > improvement over the equivalent mode > on the P3 where the waterfall > fractures when you tune the radio. > > Bob W3DK > > Hi Bob, > What mode are you talking about? I don't seem to remember anything but > smooth movement of my Waterfall on my P3... Perhaps I am not in the same > mode you are talking about? > -- > 73's, and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) > > For software/hardware reviews see: > http://www.nk7z.net > > For MixW support see: > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > > For SSTV help see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 11:36 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: > I think that's an improvement over the equivalent mode on the P3 where the > waterfall fractures when you tune the radio. > > Bob W3DK > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net From rdarlington at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 12:29:16 2016 From: rdarlington at gmail.com (Bob Darlington) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:29:16 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? In-Reply-To: <0c8801d194d8$287f8e70$797eab50$@verizon.net> References: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> <20160412160631.791e2cc7@raspberrypi> <0c7501d194d1$0dd2ce90$29786bb0$@verizon.net> <1460477815.9530.51.camel@nk7z.net> <0c8801d194d8$287f8e70$797eab50$@verizon.net> Message-ID: This is what I hope they fix in Win4k3Suite. Bugs the you know what out of me. -Bob N3XKB On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Bob Novas wrote: > you're gonna make me turn it on, aren't you. Fix-Track mode, where the > spectrum moves when you tune the radio. The waterfall that's already fell > stays where it is and the new waterfall line moves with the spectrum. I > think it'd be better If the whole waterfall moved with the spectrum. Bob > W3DK > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Dave > > Cole > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 12:17 PM > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? > > > > On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 11:36 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: > > I think that's an > > improvement over the equivalent mode > > on the P3 where the waterfall > > fractures when you tune the radio. > > > > Bob W3DK > > > > Hi Bob, > > What mode are you talking about? I don't seem to remember anything but > > smooth movement of my Waterfall on my P3... Perhaps I am not in the same > > mode you are talking about? > > -- > > 73's, and thanks, > > Dave (NK7Z) > > > > For software/hardware reviews see: > > http://www.nk7z.net > > > > For MixW support see: > > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > > > > For SSTV help see: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > > > On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 11:36 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: > > I think that's an improvement over the equivalent mode on the P3 where > the > > waterfall fractures when you tune the radio. > > > > Bob W3DK > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > > delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rdarlington at gmail.com > From n1eu.barry at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 12:38:57 2016 From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 12:38:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 w TX MON option - flashing display? Message-ID: Is there anybody else out there with a P3 (with TX MON option installed) that sometimes notices intermittent flashing of the P3 display? I only see the intermittent flashing when the directional coupler is cabled to the P3. Elecraft support has never heard of this so I'm just wondering if anybody else has ever seen this? Please drop me an email if you have ever seen it. 73, Barry N1EU From alorona at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 12 12:33:58 2016 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Setting RF gain & AGC correctly In-Reply-To: <201604102119.u3ALJ1ga030492@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201604102119.u3ALJ1ga030492@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <1478333990.1400608.1460478838058.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, I've heard about those amazing EME guys. I guess if you can copy signals below the noise you know who you are, and you can ignore guys like me! I have been, of course, referring not to soundcard-decoded modes but to human ear-decoded modes, using a speaker or headphones. This is the scenario my calculations were based on. I thank GM3SEK for clarifying that his post was an attempt at helping only the "pileup mush" guys, and point taken. The issue of setting your AGC correctly, however, applies in all situations. Modern receivers have specs that differ by only a few dB. And yet, they sound radically different. Why? Could it be that, more than anything else, it's the AGC that makes or breaks them? All the parameters that describe an AGC system conspire to give a receiver its characteristic "sound", and that sound ends up being something we like, something leading to listener's fatigue, or something in between. These factors determine not only how a receiver deals with signals, but how it deals with noise. A well-behaved AGC can sound incredibly smooth. Poor (or misadjusted) AGC systems have probably caused many hams to sell otherwise good radios. I have a few receivers here in the shack, and they all sound *totally different*. Some tire me out after a few minutes and I can listen to others all day and still enjoy what I hear. Many modern receivers expose AGC parameters to the user and allow him or her a wide range of adjustment of those parameters. I'm starting to suspect that incorrect settings have caused many people to dismiss the K3 as "bad" or "noisy" or "fatiguing". I happen to believe that the K3's AGC system is one of the best out there. But rather than force that opinion on anyone else, I usually encourage them to put the time into understanding and then setting their AGC parameters to try and capture that sound we all strive for. If you do this-- and use only as much gain as you need-- I really believe you'll enjoy your K3 more. Al W6LX From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 12 11:13:12 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 11:13:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 build from purgatory! In-Reply-To: <1460472886637-7616239.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460472886637-7616239.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570D1088.3060206@embarqmail.com> LS and all, Perhaps it is time for a repeat of the following information -- When removing parts from a populated board, it is good to keep in mind that keeping the board and it thru-plated holes intact is the most important thing. While it is *nice* to be able to remove the part intact, there is no need for that. If the de-soldering does not respond to whatever methods you have available, then crush the part with whatever tool works and remove its pins one at a time. Clean up with solder wick and if solder still remains in the holes, heat the solder pad and push a wooden toothpick or stainless steel needle through the hole to clear the solder. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/12/2016 10:54 AM, lstavenhagen wrote: > So I get > to practice my difficult-to-remove-part removal skills to replace it! > > All this of course, a warning to everyone to not ever "press on" with a > build when one is tired. That's how I managed to burn the corner off the > relay while soldering in another component on the board, I just wasn't > paying attention to where the iron was going! > > From dave at nk7z.net Tue Apr 12 13:51:15 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:51:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? In-Reply-To: <0c8801d194d8$287f8e70$797eab50$@verizon.net> References: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> <20160412160631.791e2cc7@raspberrypi> <0c7501d194d1$0dd2ce90$29786bb0$@verizon.net> <1460477815.9530.51.camel@nk7z.net> <0c8801d194d8$287f8e70$797eab50$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1460483475.9530.65.camel@nk7z.net> Hi, Sorry for making you turn it on... ?:) ?My waterfall does not track-- new data is inserted into a non tracking waterfall, so when I tune I get a slanting line as I expect from a dead carrier... ? I see no fragmenting, unless you are talking about the slanting line left in the Waterfall as you tune. Is this what you are indicating? ?Do you want the waterfall to track as well as the waveform above the waterfall? -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 12:27 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: > you're gonna make me turn it on, aren't you.??Fix-Track mode, where > the spectrum moves when you tune the radio. The waterfall that's > already fell stays where it is and the new waterfall line moves with > the spectrum. I think it'd be better If the whole waterfall moved > with the spectrum.??Bob W3DK > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf > > Of Dave > > Cole > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 12:17 PM > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? > > > > On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 11:36 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: > > I think that's an > > improvement over the equivalent mode > > on the P3 where the waterfall > > fractures when you tune the radio. > > > > Bob W3DK > > > > Hi Bob, > > What mode are you talking about???I don't seem to remember anything > > but > > smooth movement of my Waterfall on my P3...??Perhaps I am not in > > the same > > mode you are talking about? > > -- > > 73's, and thanks, > > Dave (NK7Z) > > > > For software/hardware reviews see: > > http://www.nk7z.net > > > > For MixW support see: > > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > > > > For SSTV help see: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > > > On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 11:36 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: > > I think that's an improvement over the equivalent mode on the P3 > > where the > > waterfall fractures when you tune the radio. > > > > Bob W3DK > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message > > delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net From bob.novas at verizon.net Tue Apr 12 15:00:20 2016 From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 15:00:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? In-Reply-To: <1460483475.9530.65.camel@nk7z.net> References: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> <20160412160631.791e2cc7@raspberrypi> <0c7501d194d1$0dd2ce90$29786bb0$@verizon.net> <1460477815.9530.51.camel@nk7z.net> <0c8801d194d8$287f8e70$797eab50$@verizon.net> <1460483475.9530.65.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <0ca101d194ed$9092b9f0$b1b82dd0$@verizon.net> yes, that's what I'm trying to say - I'd rather the old waterfall bits track the new waterfall so the lines don't slant. You can see that in the video for the new MB1 transceiver, and that behavior makes more sense to me, or at least appeals to my sense of aesthetics. Bob W3DK > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave > Cole > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 1:51 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? > > Hi, > > Sorry for making you turn it on... :) My waterfall does not track-- new data is > inserted into a non tracking waterfall, so when I tune I get a slanting line as I > expect from a dead carrier... > > I see no fragmenting, unless you are talking about the slanting line left in the > Waterfall as you tune. > > Is this what you are indicating? Do you want the waterfall to track as well as the > waveform above the waterfall? > > -- > 73's, and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) > > For software/hardware reviews see: > http://www.nk7z.net > > For MixW support see: > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > > For SSTV help see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 12:27 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: > > you're gonna make me turn it on, aren't you. Fix-Track mode, where > > the spectrum moves when you tune the radio. The waterfall that's > > already fell stays where it is and the new waterfall line moves with > > the spectrum. I think it'd be better If the whole waterfall moved with > > the spectrum. Bob W3DK > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf > > > Of Dave Cole > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 12:17 PM > > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? > > > > > > On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 11:36 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: > > > I think that's an > > > improvement over the equivalent mode on the P3 where the waterfall > > > fractures when you tune the radio. > > > > > > Bob W3DK > > > > > > Hi Bob, > > > What mode are you talking about? I don't seem to remember anything > > > but smooth movement of my Waterfall on my P3... Perhaps I am not in > > > the same mode you are talking about? > > > -- > > > 73's, and thanks, > > > Dave (NK7Z) > > > > > > For software/hardware reviews see: > > > http://www.nk7z.net > > > > > > For MixW support see: > > > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > > > > > > For SSTV help see: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 11:36 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: > > > I think that's an improvement over the equivalent mode on the P3 > > > where the waterfall fractures when you tune the radio. > > > > > > Bob W3DK > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > > > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > > bob.novas at verizon.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Tue Apr 12 15:11:36 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 12:11:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 build from purgatory! In-Reply-To: <570D1088.3060206@embarqmail.com> References: <1460472886637-7616239.post@n2.nabble.com> <570D1088.3060206@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1460488296685-7616253.post@n2.nabble.com> Ah yes, thanks for that reminder. If it comes to that, is there a good way to smush a latching relay body without dangerously ripping the pins out of the board? I worry that crushing it with say a pair of pliers could stress the through-holes in the board. Or is it just not that strong? Thanks, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-build-from-purgatory-tp7616239p7616253.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave at nk7z.net Tue Apr 12 15:34:14 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 12:34:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? In-Reply-To: <0ca101d194ed$9092b9f0$b1b82dd0$@verizon.net> References: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> <20160412160631.791e2cc7@raspberrypi> <0c7501d194d1$0dd2ce90$29786bb0$@verizon.net> <1460477815.9530.51.camel@nk7z.net> <0c8801d194d8$287f8e70$797eab50$@verizon.net> <1460483475.9530.65.camel@nk7z.net> <0ca101d194ed$9092b9f0$b1b82dd0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1460489654.9530.76.camel@nk7z.net> Hi Bob, OK, what threw me was the word fragmented... ?I understand now. ?Thank you! -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 15:00 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: > yes, that's what I'm trying to say - I'd rather the old waterfall > bits track the new waterfall so the lines don't slant.??You can see > that in the video for the new MB1 transceiver, and that behavior > makes more sense to me, or at least appeals to my sense of > aesthetics. Bob W3DK > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf > > Of Dave > > Cole > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 1:51 PM > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? > > > > Hi, > > > > Sorry for making you turn it on...??:)??My waterfall does not > > track-- new data is > > inserted into a non tracking waterfall, so when I tune I get a > > slanting line as I > > expect from a dead carrier... > > > > I see no fragmenting, unless you are talking about the slanting > > line left in the > > Waterfall as you tune. > > > > Is this what you are indicating???Do you want the waterfall to > > track as well as the > > waveform above the waterfall? > > > > -- > > 73's, and thanks, > > Dave (NK7Z) > > > > For software/hardware reviews see: > > http://www.nk7z.net > > > > For MixW support see: > > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > > > > For SSTV help see: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > > > On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 12:27 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: > > > > > > you're gonna make me turn it on, aren't you.??Fix-Track mode, > > > where > > > the spectrum moves when you tune the radio. The waterfall that's > > > already fell stays where it is and the new waterfall line moves > > > with > > > the spectrum. I think it'd be better If the whole waterfall moved > > > with > > > the spectrum.??Bob W3DK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On > > > > Behalf > > > > Of Dave Cole > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 12:17 PM > > > > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 11:36 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: > > > > I think that's an > > > > improvement over the equivalent mode on the P3 where the > > > > waterfall > > > > fractures when you tune the radio. > > > > > > > > Bob W3DK > > > > > > > > Hi Bob, > > > > What mode are you talking about???I don't seem to remember > > > > anything > > > > but smooth movement of my Waterfall on my P3...??Perhaps I am > > > > not in > > > > the same mode you are talking about? > > > > -- > > > > 73's, and thanks, > > > > Dave (NK7Z) > > > > > > > > For software/hardware reviews see: > > > > http://www.nk7z.net > > > > > > > > For MixW support see: > > > > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > > > > > > > > For SSTV help see: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 11:36 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: > > > > I think that's an improvement over the equivalent mode on the > > > > P3 > > > > where the waterfall fractures when you tune the radio. > > > > > > > > Bob W3DK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support > > > > this > > > > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html??Message delivered > > > > to > > > > bob.novas at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message > > delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net From cautery at montac.com Tue Apr 12 15:38:06 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:38:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? In-Reply-To: <20160412160631.791e2cc7@raspberrypi> References: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> <20160412160631.791e2cc7@raspberrypi> Message-ID: <570D4E9E.1050106@montac.com> This year? ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 4/12/2016 10:06 AM, David Pratt wrote: > You will have to wait until the Dayton hamvention to find out. > > 73 de David G4DMP > > On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:49:31 -0400 > Dan Atchison via Elecraft wrote: > >> The MB1 Transceiver >> >> http://sunsdr.eu/product/mb1/ >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From cautery at montac.com Tue Apr 12 15:41:31 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:41:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? In-Reply-To: <0c8801d194d8$287f8e70$797eab50$@verizon.net> References: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> <20160412160631.791e2cc7@raspberrypi> <0c7501d194d1$0dd2ce90$29786bb0$@verizon.net> <1460477815.9530.51.camel@nk7z.net> <0c8801d194d8$287f8e70$797eab50$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <570D4F6B.8000706@montac.com> I like the way it works now... lets me know how far I've moved it... especially with different spans on different bands... Course, I mostly use the markers to jump from signal to signal right now... ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 4/12/2016 11:27 AM, Bob Novas wrote: > you're gonna make me turn it on, aren't you. Fix-Track mode, where the spectrum moves when you tune the radio. The waterfall that's already fell stays where it is and the new waterfall line moves with the spectrum. I think it'd be better If the whole waterfall moved with the spectrum. Bob W3DK > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave >> Cole >> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 12:17 PM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? >> >> On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 11:36 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: >> I think that's an >> improvement over the equivalent mode >> on the P3 where the waterfall >> fractures when you tune the radio. >> >> Bob W3DK >> >> Hi Bob, >> What mode are you talking about? I don't seem to remember anything but >> smooth movement of my Waterfall on my P3... Perhaps I am not in the same >> mode you are talking about? >> -- >> 73's, and thanks, >> Dave (NK7Z) >> >> For software/hardware reviews see: >> http://www.nk7z.net >> >> For MixW support see: >> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info >> >> For SSTV help see: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info >> >> >> On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 11:36 -0400, Bob Novas wrote: >> I think that's an improvement over the equivalent mode on the P3 where the >> waterfall fractures when you tune the radio. >> >> Bob W3DK >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >> delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 12 15:49:47 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 15:49:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 build from purgatory! In-Reply-To: <1460488296685-7616253.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460472886637-7616239.post@n2.nabble.com> <570D1088.3060206@embarqmail.com> <1460488296685-7616253.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570D515B.3010908@embarqmail.com> LS, I would try pliers first, but watch the process as you apply pressure. It may assist if you damage the case more with your soldering iron (melt more of the plastic) until you can get an Exacto knife edge into it to help with the process. As I said, use any tool that works - just be careful not to damage other nearby components. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/12/2016 3:11 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: > Ah yes, thanks for that reminder. If it comes to that, is there a good way to > smush a latching relay body without dangerously ripping the pins out of the > board? I worry that crushing it with say a pair of pliers could stress the > through-holes in the board. Or is it just not that strong? > > Thanks, > LS > W5QD > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-build-from-purgatory-tp7616239p7616253.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From jalleninvest at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 16:00:44 2016 From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 15:00:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 build from purgatory! Message-ID: <867EBF14-2D52-48F0-A6E2-D0C472498D4A@gmail.com> Whatever you do, be careful with that rotary encoder. I just had to have Don replace the one in my K2. Those are $125 each, probably the most expensive part in the entire radio! Don't lose it!! 73 de W6OGC Jim Allen Sent from my iPad From edauer at law.du.edu Tue Apr 12 16:16:18 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 20:16:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 build from purgatory! Message-ID: <9F6F51A5-7E32-4EC6-903F-D711E079628E@law.du.edu> I?ll second all of that. In the middle stages of the K1 build last week C22, the smallest capacitor in the inventory, escaped from the parts bin - presumably to avoid being soldered - disappearing into a carpet the nap of which is several multiples of the cap?s full girth. (Your D36 may have done the same.) Richard Trebbien had another one in my hands within 72 hours. Kudos indeed! Ted, KN1CBR >------------------------------ > >Message: 12 >Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 07:54:46 -0700 (MST) >From: lstavenhagen >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] K2 build from purgatory! >Message-ID: <1460472886637-7616239.post at n2.nabble.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Well, more kudos to Elecraft support are in order, so just want to give >credit where exceptional credit is due. My second K2 build is going >nowhere >as smoothly as my first one: I somehow managed to lose D36, the SMT PIN >diode and didn't discover that it was actually gone from my table until I >got to that installation step. Prior to that, though, I managed to burn a >pretty decent corner off one of the latching relays on the board. So I get >to practice my difficult-to-remove-part removal skills to replace it! > >All this of course, a warning to everyone to not ever "press on" with a >build when one is tired. That's how I managed to burn the corner off the >relay while soldering in another component on the board, I just wasn't >paying attention to where the iron was going! > >As for D36, I must have flicked it off the table at some point in the past >and where she went, nobody knows. > >Despite all that, I'm still having a wonderful time with this build and >have >learnt more in the process than I think I ever did on any other project >I've >done. > >So I emailed parts at elecraft.com with my tail between my legs this weekend >- >I think they all know me there now LOL - and they sent me replacements >yesterday, pretty much taking care of it right as they opened for >business. >So I should have the replacement parts in hand on Thurs. Can't get better >service than that! > >Only a couple more parts and the receiver will be finished. If I made any >goofs so far, well, I suppose I'll find out soon enough. > >Tnx to Elecraft and 73 >LS >W5QD > From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Tue Apr 12 16:22:56 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:22:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 build from purgatory! In-Reply-To: <570D515B.3010908@embarqmail.com> References: <1460472886637-7616239.post@n2.nabble.com> <570D1088.3060206@embarqmail.com> <1460488296685-7616253.post@n2.nabble.com> <570D515B.3010908@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1460492576548-7616260.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Don, I was actually thinking just that - just use my soldering iron and finish the job I originally started on it lol! I'm lucky that it's one of the relays in the lowpass filter and not the 40 meter filter, so there are no components around it of any real note yet.... That may be exactly what I do with it, in fact. Thanks, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-build-from-purgatory-tp7616239p7616260.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From daleputnam at hotmail.com Tue Apr 12 16:24:06 2016 From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 20:24:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 build from purgatory! In-Reply-To: <570D515B.3010908@embarqmail.com> References: <1460472886637-7616239.post@n2.nabble.com> <570D1088.3060206@embarqmail.com> <1460488296685-7616253.post@n2.nabble.com>, <570D515B.3010908@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I've had good luck removing that relay with a hot air smd rework station.. one must be aware of how much air.. and what temp.. but heat applied to the other side of the board, just enough to flow the solder.. on one pin at a time.. to lift the relay a smidge.. then move to the next pin.. .. OR enough heat to simply lift the relay.. either way works.. and relay removal by pieces works too. Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Don Wilhelm Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 1:49 PM To: lstavenhagen; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 build from purgatory! LS, I would try pliers first, but watch the process as you apply pressure. It may assist if you damage the case more with your soldering iron (melt more of the plastic) until you can get an Exacto knife edge into it to help with the process. As I said, use any tool that works - just be careful not to damage other nearby components. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/12/2016 3:11 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: > Ah yes, thanks for that reminder. If it comes to that, is there a good way to > smush a latching relay body without dangerously ripping the pins out of the > board? I worry that crushing it with say a pair of pliers could stress the > through-holes in the board. Or is it just not that strong? > > Thanks, > LS > W5QD > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-build-from-purgatory-tp7616239p7616253.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to daleputnam at hotmail.com From kwroberson at yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 16:26:32 2016 From: kwroberson at yahoo.com (Ken Roberson) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 20:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KXV3 -- Xverter PWA References: <905420883.1900304.1460492792471.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <905420883.1900304.1460492792471.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks everyone , I now am now the proud owner of a KXV3A PWA. 73 Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Tue Apr 12 16:30:29 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:30:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 build from purgatory! In-Reply-To: <867EBF14-2D52-48F0-A6E2-D0C472498D4A@gmail.com> References: <1460472886637-7616239.post@n2.nabble.com> <867EBF14-2D52-48F0-A6E2-D0C472498D4A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1460493029339-7616263.post@n2.nabble.com> Yes, I spent a lot of good quality time with the encoder installation and it came out fine in the end. To be honest, all these "problems" have nothing to do with the kit - it's more I've made more mistakes with this one than my first K2 build. On the other hand, the mistakes I have made have been the most instructive. When I've messed something up or something didn't look right (like a possibly bridge solder connection), I'd simply stop and go study the schematic. I'd spend some time there, then go google "PLL synthesizer" or "contact debouncing" or "why do relay coils have diodes across them". Then come back to the schematic and see how Wayne and Eric did it. and so forth. So my screwups have actually really helped me learn all the stuff I should have actually learned when I took my Extra hi hi. And chances are, with these messups, I'm probably going to learn something else in addition. I hope the rig works at the end too, that would really be gravy! 73, LS W5QD. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-build-from-purgatory-tp7616239p7616263.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w6jhb at me.com Tue Apr 12 16:30:44 2016 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:30:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 build from purgatory! In-Reply-To: References: <1460472886637-7616239.post@n2.nabble.com> <570D1088.3060206@embarqmail.com> <1460488296685-7616253.post@n2.nabble.com> <570D515B.3010908@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <90093C1E-7471-404C-BE35-BF8A1B915452@me.com> Since I no longer have a K2, I?m only taking a WAG here, but would this not be a good candidate for Chip Quick? I used it to pull an SMD IC off a board a few weeks ago and it absolutely works great?. 73, Jim / W6JHB > On Tuesday, Apr 12, 2016, at Tuesday, 1:24 PM, Dale Putnam wrote: > > I've had good luck removing that relay with a hot air smd rework station.. one must be aware of how much air.. and what temp.. but heat applied to the other side of the board, just enough to flow the solder.. on one pin at a time.. to lift the relay a smidge.. then move to the next pin.. .. OR enough heat to simply lift the relay.. either way works.. > and relay removal by pieces works too. > > Have a great day, > --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy > > > ________________________________________ > From: Elecraft on behalf of Don Wilhelm > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 1:49 PM > To: lstavenhagen; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 build from purgatory! > > LS, > > I would try pliers first, but watch the process as you apply pressure. > It may assist if you damage the case more with your soldering iron (melt > more of the plastic) until you can get an Exacto knife edge into it to > help with the process. > As I said, use any tool that works - just be careful not to damage other > nearby components. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 4/12/2016 3:11 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: >> Ah yes, thanks for that reminder. If it comes to that, is there a good way to >> smush a latching relay body without dangerously ripping the pins out of the >> board? I worry that crushing it with say a pair of pliers could stress the >> through-holes in the board. Or is it just not that strong? >> >> Thanks, >> LS >> W5QD >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-build-from-purgatory-tp7616239p7616253.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to daleputnam at hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From bobchortek at yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 17:07:10 2016 From: bobchortek at yahoo.com (Chortek Bob) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? In-Reply-To: <570D4E9E.1050106@montac.com> References: <570D4E9E.1050106@montac.com> Message-ID: <94374709.1587563.1460495230129.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I have no insight but I'd be very surprised to see a K4 soon given the very recent introduction of the K3S. Bob AA6VB Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, April 12, 2016, 12:41 PM, Clay Autery wrote: This year? ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 4/12/2016 10:06 AM, David Pratt wrote: > You will have to wait until the Dayton hamvention to find out. > > 73 de David G4DMP > > On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:49:31 -0400 > Dan Atchison via Elecraft wrote: > >> The MB1 Transceiver >> >> http://sunsdr.eu/product/mb1/ >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com From ron at cobi.biz Tue Apr 12 17:11:25 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:11:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 build from purgatory! In-Reply-To: <1460488296685-7616253.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460472886637-7616239.post@n2.nabble.com> <570D1088.3060206@embarqmail.com> <1460488296685-7616253.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <006701d194ff$e00a7c90$a01f75b0$@biz> While Don's advice is perfect for small components (DIPs, resistor, capacitors, etc.) large parts like relays can be problematical to cut into bits, although it can be done. For those parts I prefer a solder sucker (or wick with added flux - dipping the wick in liquid flux just before use does wonders for its action, even with so-called pre-coated solder wick) to remove solder from the hole, then grip the pin from side of the board opposite the part and wiggle it. The thin film of solder easily breaks free without damaging anything and the part can be lifted out. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of lstavenhagen Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 12:12 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 build from purgatory! Ah yes, thanks for that reminder. If it comes to that, is there a good way to smush a latching relay body without dangerously ripping the pins out of the board? I worry that crushing it with say a pair of pliers could stress the through-holes in the board. Or is it just not that strong? Thanks, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-build-from-purgatory-tp7616239p76162 53.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From alorona at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 12 18:28:02 2016 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 22:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? In-Reply-To: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> References: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> Message-ID: <55573493.1539951.1460500082123.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I must rant: Good video quality... typically LOUSY audio quality. The internet is filled with videos of rigs where the rig's cheap internal speaker is being picked up by a camera mic several feet away in an echoey room. Haven't any of these poor guys ever heard of audio direct? Al W6LX From dlrwild1 at verizon.net Tue Apr 12 19:14:59 2016 From: dlrwild1 at verizon.net (dlrwild1 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 19:14:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Mint K3/100-F with option package Message-ID: For Sale: Mint Elecraft K3/100-F [SN 4669] by original owner from a non-smoking ham shack always covered, flawless in every way, includes original manual and excellent copy of manual, original DC power cable plus brand new DC power cable sealed in bag, USB 2.0 Serial DB9 RS-232 (6 ft.) cable sealed in box, brand new extra VFO B knob, Yamaha CM-500 headset with all accessories included, dust cover by Rose with Elecraft K3 logo, Elecraft K3 and KX-3 buttons from Dayton, Allen wrench from Elecraft. K3/100-F configuration and options installed: KAT3-F, KXV3A, KFL3-2.8K, KFL3A-400Hz, KFL3A-1.8K with original firmware updates. Newer firmware available through Elecraft Web page. ASKING: $2400 with shipping and insurance in CONUS via UPS ground Also available for sale: THP HL-1.5KFX amp/ALC cable for K3 to THP amp sold by Array Solutions. ASKING: $40 with S/H for this cable assembly via USPS Priority Mail. Makes hook-up to THP amp flawless and easy. Contact Bob, K3SRO at dlrwild1 at verizon.net No trades or swaps. Photos sent upon request. Postal USPS Money orders, certified bank check, no checks or PayPal. No overseas sales. Reason for sale is that I already have an IC-7800 and I would like to try something else for now as my back-up radio. From dave at nk7z.net Tue Apr 12 19:17:34 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:17:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? In-Reply-To: <55573493.1539951.1460500082123.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <570CFCEB.7010902@aol.com> <55573493.1539951.1460500082123.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1460503054.9530.92.camel@nk7z.net> What's audio direct? -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 22:28 +0000, Al Lorona wrote: > I must rant: Good video quality... typically LOUSY audio quality. The > internet is filled with videos of rigs where the rig's cheap internal > speaker is being picked up by a camera mic several feet away in an > echoey room. Haven't any of these poor guys ever heard of audio > direct? > > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From riese-k3djc at juno.com Tue Apr 12 19:56:16 2016 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 19:56:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:17:34 -0700 Dave Cole writes: > What's audio direct? > -- > 73's, and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) apparently sounds good Bob K3DJC From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 20:16:13 2016 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 18:16:13 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Audio direct In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I took it that the poster was saying that a direct (via wire) connection between the radio being demo'ed and the recorder would avoid room echo, background noise, etc. 73 K0PP On Apr 12, 2016 17:58, wrote: On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:17:34 -0700 Dave Cole writes: > What's audio direct? > -- > 73's, and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) apparently sounds good Bob K3DJC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com From W1PDI at aol.com Tue Apr 12 23:02:46 2016 From: W1PDI at aol.com (W1PDI) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 23:02:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case Message-ID: <9A8C7515-DB37-4324-B712-FC51155ED94E@aol.com> Any recommendations on a carry case for a KX3 that would have space for accessories i.e. Connectors, mic etc.. Also to serve as a storage case when the KX3 isn't in use. Thanks, Tom Sent from my iPhone From mike at mdodd.com Tue Apr 12 23:03:49 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 23:03:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <570DB715.1010105@mdodd.com> Hello to the group. I just put my new K3s/100 into service, and have a question about the Mark frequency to use with AFSK. Before the K3s, I used a SignaLink with my KX3 and MMTTY. With that setup, I set MMTTY to use 915 Hz for the Mark frequency, and everything worked fine. Fiddling with the K3s and its internal USB sound card (I love that!), I can select various higher Mark frequencies using the PITCH button, and set MMTTY accordingly, and the K3 still decodes the RTTY. So my question is, what is the "standard" or common Mark frequency to use for AFSK on the K3? Or is it a matter of personal preference -- which sounds better to my ears when tuning RTTY signals? Also, what bandwidth is commonly used for 170 Hz-shift RTTY? I stocked this K3s with four 8-pole filters, including 400 Hz and 250 Hz. The 250 Hz filter works with RTTY, but the MMTTY X-Y scope pattern looks like I might be pushing things with that narrow a filter. the 400 Hz filter looks better. But David (I think) at Elecraft told me when I made my list of filters that I'd be using 2.1 kHz or 2.8 kHz for RTTY. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me if QRM is present. OTOH, MMTTY is decoding specific tones, so maybe filter width doesn't make much difference. What do the experts say? Thanks for any information. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft K3s/100 Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From pubx1 at af2z.net Tue Apr 12 23:05:07 2016 From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 23:05:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Will the K4 look like this? In-Reply-To: <94374709.1587563.1460495230129.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <570D4E9E.1050106@montac.com> <94374709.1587563.1460495230129.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <570DB763.8050804@af2z.net> Seems like a nice blend of physical controls and screen controls. But until such a rig is possible for under $3k I'll be running the 'old' K3. I like the onboard p/s also; haven't had one of those since the TenTec Century 21, hehe... 73, Drew AF2Z On 04/12/16 17:07, Chortek Bob via Elecraft wrote: > I have no insight but I'd be very surprised to see a K4 soon given the very recent introduction of the K3S. > Bob AA6VB > From tim at sy-edm.com Tue Apr 12 23:06:38 2016 From: tim at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 07:06:38 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case In-Reply-To: <9A8C7515-DB37-4324-B712-FC51155ED94E@aol.com> References: <9A8C7515-DB37-4324-B712-FC51155ED94E@aol.com> Message-ID: <65DB00B2-9945-4242-81AA-D58660D20BE6@sy-edm.com> I use a Pelican box - the same type I keep my Dive Computers in. It is fully waterproof - has a pressure equalisation plug - and built to last. Not the cheapest option - but one I feel comfortable with. Regards Tim > On 13 Apr 2016, at 07:02, W1PDI via Elecraft wrote: > > Any recommendations on a carry case for a KX3 that would have space for accessories i.e. Connectors, mic etc.. Also to serve as a storage case when the KX3 isn't in use. > > Thanks, > Tom > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com From k6ll.dave at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 23:54:57 2016 From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 20:54:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies In-Reply-To: <570DB715.1010105@mdodd.com> References: <570DB715.1010105@mdodd.com> Message-ID: <54EE6E4435CA4057AA140C7EBE0C429F@Toshiba> Current thinking is to use a fairly wide filter for RTTY. The software filters that are applied in the sound card are much narrower, about 50 Hz wide. Lately I've been using the 2.7 KHz roofing filter, with DSP bandwidth set to about 600 Hz. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: Mike Dodd Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 8:03 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies Hello to the group. I just put my new K3s/100 into service, and have a question about the Mark frequency to use with AFSK. Before the K3s, I used a SignaLink with my KX3 and MMTTY. With that setup, I set MMTTY to use 915 Hz for the Mark frequency, and everything worked fine. Fiddling with the K3s and its internal USB sound card (I love that!), I can select various higher Mark frequencies using the PITCH button, and set MMTTY accordingly, and the K3 still decodes the RTTY. So my question is, what is the "standard" or common Mark frequency to use for AFSK on the K3? Or is it a matter of personal preference -- which sounds better to my ears when tuning RTTY signals? Also, what bandwidth is commonly used for 170 Hz-shift RTTY? I stocked this K3s with four 8-pole filters, including 400 Hz and 250 Hz. The 250 Hz filter works with RTTY, but the MMTTY X-Y scope pattern looks like I might be pushing things with that narrow a filter. the 400 Hz filter looks better. But David (I think) at Elecraft told me when I made my list of filters that I'd be using 2.1 kHz or 2.8 kHz for RTTY. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me if QRM is present. OTOH, MMTTY is decoding specific tones, so maybe filter width doesn't make much difference. What do the experts say? Thanks for any information. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft K3s/100 Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6ll.dave at gmail.com From nq5t at tx.rr.com Wed Apr 13 00:08:50 2016 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 23:08:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case In-Reply-To: <9A8C7515-DB37-4324-B712-FC51155ED94E@aol.com> References: <9A8C7515-DB37-4324-B712-FC51155ED94E@aol.com> Message-ID: <3F5167D7-A724-4D18-B4C9-D5542C9752A7@tx.rr.com> Rose Kopp makes an excellent storage and travel bag for the KX3 in a couple of different versions. Link is on the Elecraft website. I have one made to hold the KX3, PX3, and KXPA100. I don't have the amp, so I use that compartment for my A123 battery, charger, a small power supply, and misc accessories. A compact keyboard also fits nicely inside the top, and two side pockets hold the mic, cables, and other junk I haul around. It's a soft bag, so you can't reasonably stand on it, drop it off a cliff and expect it to survive, or fly with it as checked baggage etc., but at least it doesn't weigh more than what's inside it. Grant NQ5T Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 12, 2016, at 10:02 PM, W1PDI via Elecraft wrote: > > Any recommendations on a carry case for a KX3 that would have space for accessories i.e. Connectors, mic etc.. Also to serve as a storage case when the KX3 isn't in use. > > From k6ll.dave at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 00:32:06 2016 From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:32:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies In-Reply-To: <570DB715.1010105@mdodd.com> References: <570DB715.1010105@mdodd.com> Message-ID: <3BCB8A23AE404AD69D7EAA5A54028F56@Toshiba> If you are using AFSK, it's best to stick with the standard 2125 frequency, so the second harmonic is outside the 2.7 Khz audio passband. With FSK, you can go lower. My ears like the sound of 915 Hz. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Dodd Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 8:03 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies Hello to the group. I just put my new K3s/100 into service, and have a question about the Mark frequency to use with AFSK. Before the K3s, I used a SignaLink with my KX3 and MMTTY. With that setup, I set MMTTY to use 915 Hz for the Mark frequency, and everything worked fine. Fiddling with the K3s and its internal USB sound card (I love that!), I can select various higher Mark frequencies using the PITCH button, and set MMTTY accordingly, and the K3 still decodes the RTTY. So my question is, what is the "standard" or common Mark frequency to use for AFSK on the K3? Or is it a matter of personal preference -- which sounds better to my ears when tuning RTTY signals? Also, what bandwidth is commonly used for 170 Hz-shift RTTY? I stocked this K3s with four 8-pole filters, including 400 Hz and 250 Hz. The 250 Hz filter works with RTTY, but the MMTTY X-Y scope pattern looks like I might be pushing things with that narrow a filter. the 400 Hz filter looks better. But David (I think) at Elecraft told me when I made my list of filters that I'd be using 2.1 kHz or 2.8 kHz for RTTY. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me if QRM is present. OTOH, MMTTY is decoding specific tones, so maybe filter width doesn't make much difference. What do the experts say? Thanks for any information. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft K3s/100 Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6ll.dave at gmail.com From indians at xsmail.com Wed Apr 13 04:15:54 2016 From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:15:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Old K1 rev. manuals archive In-Reply-To: <1460449224171-7616232.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460449224171-7616232.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1460535354932-7616278.post@n2.nabble.com> Dears, I would like to send big "thank You" to all replies off-list. It is really appreciate help for us in order to make repairing of this K1 step by step. According to your hints we made an inventory of his K1 and there is RF board Rev D 2000, FP board Rev D with Firmware 109E and 2-bands filter board Rev D with Firmware 100... We will report over there (if it is not too bothering) about our debugging progress. My 14yrs old son Jakub is really amazed with his K1 even although it is not repaired yet, hi and I aprreciate it too as he is not focusing on his PC games only...:) Many thanks for an excellent help and camaraderie to all. 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Old-K1-rev-manuals-archive-tp7616232p7616278.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From john at kk9a.com Wed Apr 13 09:56:06 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:56:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies Message-ID: The optimal band width may depend on how crowded the band is. Wide filtering may work well for a DXer trying to copy a super weak signal on a quiet band. I only use RTTY in contests when the bands are packed and I have had great results using very narrow roofing filters. John KK9A from: Dave Hachadorian Tue Apr 12 23:54:57 EDT 2016 Current thinking is to use a fairly wide filter for RTTY. The software filters that are applied in the sound card are much narrower, about 50 Hz wide. Lately I've been using the 2.7 KHz roofing filter, with DSP bandwidth set to about 600 Hz. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ From mike at mdodd.com Wed Apr 13 10:11:39 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 10:11:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] AFSK-A with K3s In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <570E539B.2010206@mdodd.com> Thanks to all who replied off-list to my question about choosing a Mark frequency. Now on to a new question.... Last night I was receiving RTTY using MMTTY and the AFSK-A mode on the K3s. This morning I am trying to get the K3s to transmit, but not having much luck. I'm using the internal USB sound card in the K3s. I have successfully configured MMTTY to: 1. Receive and decode tones from the sound card. 2. Key the K3s when I click the TX button in MMTTY. 3. Send tones to the K3s when the TX button is clicked. I can hear the tones in the K3s speaker and headphones. If I choose a different Mark frequency in MMTTY, I hear the expected tones on the K3s. Clearly audio tones are being sent to the K3s. But no RF comes out. I have PWR set to 50W (into a dummy load), and when I hold TUNE, the RF bar graph shows that power level (half scale, 5 bars). But when I click TX in MMTTY, and hear the tones on the K3s, the RF bar graph shows 0 (one bar). What must I do to make the K3s transmit the audio it's receiving from MMTTY? Thanks in advance. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft K3s/100 Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From lists at subich.com Wed Apr 13 10:22:46 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 10:22:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <570E5636.5090902@subich.com> Too narrow a filter results in "smearing" one bit into the next - equivalent to severe multi-path - which causes a degraded signal to noise ratio. While a narrow IF filter may reduce interference from AGC capture, there is a fine line between the improvement in sensitivity due to keeping the strong adjacent frequency signal from "turning down the RF gain" and the loss of SNR due to self- induced multi-path (inter symbol interference). In general one wants a filter that is at least 375-400 Hz wide at the -1 dB points with flat phase delay across the passband. Filters less than 370 Hz (@ -1dB), especially multi-pole crystal lattice/ladder filters, have significant phase non-linearities particularly in the "knee" region that create inter-symbol interference. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/13/2016 9:56 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > The optimal band width may depend on how crowded the band is. Wide > filtering may work well for a DXer trying to copy a super weak signal on a > quiet band. I only use RTTY in contests when the bands are packed and I > have had great results using very narrow roofing filters. > > John KK9A > > > from: Dave Hachadorian > Tue Apr 12 23:54:57 EDT 2016 > > Current thinking is to use a fairly wide filter for RTTY. The > software filters that are applied in the sound card are much > narrower, about 50 Hz wide. Lately I've been using the 2.7 KHz > roofing filter, with DSP bandwidth set to about 600 Hz. > > > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL > Yuma, AZ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Apr 13 11:25:56 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:25:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] AFSK-A with K3s In-Reply-To: <570E539B.2010206@mdodd.com> References: <570E539B.2010206@mdodd.com> Message-ID: <570E6504.9010109@foothill.net> VOX on? 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 4/13/2016 7:11 AM, Mike Dodd wrote: > Thanks to all who replied off-list to my question about choosing a Mark > frequency. Now on to a new question.... > > Last night I was receiving RTTY using MMTTY and the AFSK-A mode on the > K3s. This morning I am trying to get the K3s to transmit, but not having > much luck. From n9tf at comcast.net Wed Apr 13 11:58:28 2016 From: n9tf at comcast.net (n9tf at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 15:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1267124641.8946069.1460563108394.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> I have had really good luck using the 500hz roofing filter and adjusting down to 400Hz with DSP for rag chewing. In contests I will adjust to 350 or even 300Hz, depending on how close signals get bunched together, with very good decode. I've also made adjustments to AGC, which have also been an improvement. AGC DCY - soft, AGC SLP - 6, AGC THR - 16. All other AGC settings at default. These settings in my location, seem to work the best for me so far. ? Gene, N9TF K3S 10057 ----- Original Message ----- From: john at kk9a.com To: "elecraft" Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 8:56:06 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies The optimal band width may depend on how crowded the band is. Wide filtering may work well for a DXer trying to copy a super weak signal on a quiet band. I only use RTTY in contests when the bands are packed and I have had great results using very narrow roofing filters. John KK9A from: Dave Hachadorian Tue Apr 12 23:54:57 EDT 2016 Current thinking is to use a fairly wide filter for RTTY. ?The software filters that are applied in the sound card are much narrower, about 50 Hz wide. ?Lately I've been using the 2.7 KHz roofing filter, with DSP bandwidth set to about 600 Hz. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n9tf at comcast.net From ed at w0yk.com Wed Apr 13 12:05:40 2016 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:05:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies In-Reply-To: <570DB715.1010105@mdodd.com> References: <570DB715.1010105@mdodd.com> Message-ID: RTTY audio tones are personal choice only affecting the audio at your station. I can use 2125/2295 and you can use 1275/1445 when we communicate with each other. This is analogous to me using a CW pitch of 800 Hz and you using 400 Hz in the same QSO. The local audio tones we each choose have no impact on the other station. Two caveats: 1. With AFSK, but not FSK, transmission, using low tones, e.g., 915/1085, allows their second harmonic to fall within the radio's TX IF passband, e.g., 2800 Hz, creating QRM to the extent of the second harmonic. 2. Most radios show the SSB suppressed carrier frequency in AFSK mode rather than the Mark frequency which is the convention for denoting RTTY. The suppressed carrier frequency will differ from the RF Mark frequency by the amount of the local audio Mark frequency. This usually leads to inconsistent frequencies being communicated, for example, in a spotting network. The K3/K3s, however, show the RTTY Mark frequency on the dial in both AFSK or FSK transmit modes. With most of today's software decoders (MMTTY, 2Tone, GRITTY, Fldigi, MixW, etc.), an IF bandwidth of at least 500 Hz is recommended. The decoding algorithms make use of the sidebands outside the 170 Hz shifted frequencies to decrease error rate. Narrower IF filters may be appropriate in very rare situations where near-by strong signals can be reduced from overloading the IF. But, this comes at a cost of higher RTTY error rate. I seldom, if ever, go below 500 Hz even in the worst of QRM situations. This also means that slightly lower error rate is achievable with the K3/K3s Dual-Tone Filter DISabled, contrary to conventional intuition. For RTTY, AGC should be Off, another conflict with conventional thinking. Ed W0YK _______________________________________________________________________ Mike N4CF wrote: Hello to the group. I just put my new K3s/100 into service, and have a question about the Mark frequency to use with AFSK. Before the K3s, I used a SignaLink with my KX3 and MMTTY. With that setup, I set MMTTY to use 915 Hz for the Mark frequency, and everything worked fine. Fiddling with the K3s and its internal USB sound card (I love that!), I can select various higher Mark frequencies using the PITCH button, and set MMTTY accordingly, and the K3 still decodes the RTTY. So my question is, what is the "standard" or common Mark frequency to use for AFSK on the K3? Or is it a matter of personal preference -- which sounds better to my ears when tuning RTTY signals? Also, what bandwidth is commonly used for 170 Hz-shift RTTY? I stocked this K3s with four 8-pole filters, including 400 Hz and 250 Hz. The 250 Hz filter works with RTTY, but the MMTTY X-Y scope pattern looks like I might be pushing things with that narrow a filter. the 400 Hz filter looks better. But David (I think) at Elecraft told me when I made my list of filters that I'd be using 2.1 kHz or 2.8 kHz for RTTY. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me if QRM is present. OTOH, MMTTY is decoding specific tones, so maybe filter width doesn't make much difference. From k6ll.dave at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 12:19:10 2016 From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:19:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies In-Reply-To: References: <570DB715.1010105@mdodd.com> Message-ID: >For RTTY, AGC should be Off, another conflict with conventional >thinking. Ed is correct on this, but turning AGC off on the K3 causes problems with loud signals due to the hard-limiting and distorting action of the AF Limiter. A better approach with the K3 is to use fast AGC, AGC SLP=0, and AGC THR as high as possible without causing a sound card overload warning on the loudest signals. For RTTY, with my usual gain settings, I find that AGC THR = 17 works well. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ . From mike at mdodd.com Wed Apr 13 12:26:33 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:26:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] AFSK-A with K3s In-Reply-To: <570E6504.9010109@foothill.net> References: <570E539B.2010206@mdodd.com> <570E6504.9010109@foothill.net> Message-ID: <570E7339.4020804@mdodd.com> Various people wrote: > VOX on? > You need some way for MMTTY to switch the K3S between receive and transmit. Sigh.... Please excuse my frustration. My original posting was clear: MMTTY _is_ putting the K3s into transmit and _is_ sending tones to the built-in sound card. I can hear the tones when the K3s is in XMIT, but no RF comes out the antenna connector. The red TX LED on the K3s turns on, and the RF bar graph displays one bar, or zero watts. I can hear the tones in the K3s speaker and phones plugged into the rear panel. There is no need for VOX -- MMTTY puts the K3s into XMIT if PTT is turned on _and/or_ if VOX is turned on. Everything is fine except the K3s is not transmitting the audio from the built-in sound card. I'll keep trying. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft K3s/100 Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Apr 13 12:30:58 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:30:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] AFSK-A with K3s In-Reply-To: <570E539B.2010206@mdodd.com> References: <570E539B.2010206@mdodd.com> Message-ID: <570E7442.6000108@triconet.org> Make sure the TX mark frequency in MMTTY is the same as what you've chosen in the K3. On 4/13/2016 7:11 AM, Mike Dodd wrote: > Thanks to all who replied off-list to my question about choosing a Mark > frequency. Now on to a new question.... > > Last night I was receiving RTTY using MMTTY and the AFSK-A mode on the K3s. > This morning I am trying to get the K3s to transmit, but not having much luck. > > I'm using the internal USB sound card in the K3s. I have successfully > configured MMTTY to: > > 1. Receive and decode tones from the sound card. > 2. Key the K3s when I click the TX button in MMTTY. > 3. Send tones to the K3s when the TX button is clicked. I can hear the tones > in the K3s speaker and headphones. If I choose a different Mark frequency in > MMTTY, I hear the expected tones on the K3s. > > Clearly audio tones are being sent to the K3s. But no RF comes out. I have PWR > set to 50W (into a dummy load), and when I hold TUNE, the RF bar graph shows > that power level (half scale, 5 bars). > > But when I click TX in MMTTY, and hear the tones on the K3s, the RF bar graph > shows 0 (one bar). > > What must I do to make the K3s transmit the audio it's receiving from MMTTY? > > Thanks in advance. > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Apr 13 12:33:15 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:33:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] AFSK-A with K3s In-Reply-To: <570E7339.4020804@mdodd.com> References: <570E539B.2010206@mdodd.com> <570E6504.9010109@foothill.net> <570E7339.4020804@mdodd.com> Message-ID: <570E74CB.1000007@triconet.org> You've run into a common problem: poor reading comprehension. On 4/13/2016 9:26 AM, Mike Dodd wrote: > Various people wrote: > > >> VOX on? >> You need some way for MMTTY to switch the K3S between receive and transmit. > > Sigh.... Please excuse my frustration. > > My original posting was clear: MMTTY _is_ putting the K3s into transmit and > _is_ sending tones to the built-in sound card. I can hear the tones when the > K3s is in XMIT, but no RF comes out the antenna connector. > > The red TX LED on the K3s turns on, and the RF bar graph displays one bar, or > zero watts. I can hear the tones in the K3s speaker and phones plugged into > the rear panel. > > There is no need for VOX -- MMTTY puts the K3s into XMIT if PTT is turned on > _and/or_ if VOX is turned on. > > Everything is fine except the K3s is not transmitting the audio from the > built-in sound card. > > I'll keep trying. > From ed at w0yk.com Wed Apr 13 13:09:58 2016 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 10:09:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies In-Reply-To: References: <570DB715.1010105@mdodd.com> Message-ID: On RTTY, AF limiting doesn't occur because I run the AF Gain very low. I only need to hear the presence or absence of a RTTY signal. On CW, I agree, because I turn the AF Gain up higher. But, I also run a lower AGC THR than I would on RTTY. Thus, when changing modes between CW and RTTY, it is easier to leave AGC setup for CW and just turn it On or Off rather than go into CONFIG and change AGC THR. For RTTY, though, slow AGC will yield a lower error rate than fast AGC with the modern software decoders. Ed W0YK __________________________________________________________ Dave K6LL wrote: >Ed is correct on this, but turning AGC off on the K3 causes >problems with loud signals due to the hard-limiting and >distorting action of the AF Limiter. A better approach with the >K3 is to use fast AGC, AGC SLP=0, and AGC THR as high as >possible without causing a sound card overload warning on the >loudest signals. For RTTY, with my usual gain settings, I find >that AGC THR = 17 works well. Ed W0YK wrote: >>For RTTY, AGC should be Off, another conflict with conventional >>thinking. From kq2rp.cw at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 13:20:00 2016 From: kq2rp.cw at gmail.com (Chris Del Plato KQ2RP) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 13:20:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case Message-ID: I use a Pelican Storm iM2050. Some photos here: http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/102637603515/space-savers-i-picked-up-a-pair-of-these-audio http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/122906632025/sota-w1gm-003-mount-equinox-vt-activation 72, Chris KQ2RP From mike at mdodd.com Wed Apr 13 14:06:01 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:06:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] AFSK-A with K3s In-Reply-To: <570E7442.6000108@triconet.org> References: <570E539B.2010206@mdodd.com> <570E7442.6000108@triconet.org> Message-ID: <570E8A89.4020905@mdodd.com> OK, I think I have it straight now. Thanks to all, and especially to Gene, N9TF who emailed me off-list. For the benefit of all, here is what I learned today: I _do_ need to turn on VOX if I want to use a logging program that grabs the USB control port (COM5 in my case). I had MMTTY set up to key the rig on COM5, but it occurred to me that I didn't have my logging software open at that time. So PTT via COM5 is out, VOX is in. I don't normally use VOX, so my MENU: VOX gain was set to 0. Once I turned it up to 8 or higher, the MMTTY tones keyed the rig just fine. MENU: MIC SEL is automatically set to LINE IN when data mode AFSK-A is selected. This automatically reverts to my normal FP mic selection when I switch back to a voice mode. The mic gain must be set for 5 bars on the ALC meter. On my K3s, this is a MIC setting of only 2, and the fifth bar doesn't flicker as it does with voice, because a steady tone is being transmitted. The MIC gain control sets the LINE IN gain. This automatically reverts to my normal mic gain when I switch back to a voice mode. How convenient is that! THANK YOU, Elecraft. Bottom line (on my K3s, at least): * DATA MD = AFSK-A * VOX on * MENU: VOX GN = 8 - 10 * MENU: MIC SEL = LINE IN (automatic with AFSK-A) * MIC gain = 2 * PITCH = Mark frequency and shift to match those set in MMTTY MMTTY: * Setup, Sound card = USB audio CODEC * Setup, Misc device identifiers = RX 0, TX 1 (TX 0 is the PC's speakers) * Setup, TX, radio command, port = NONE if using logging software that needs the COM port I think that about covers it. Thanks again to all who offered suggestions. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft K3s/100 Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From jock.irvine at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 16:20:34 2016 From: jock.irvine at gmail.com (Jock Irvine) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:20:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have an old clarinet case I'm thinking about converting to a case for the KX3. Where did you get the foam for your Pelican case and how do you cut it? 73, Jock N1JI On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Chris Del Plato KQ2RP wrote: > I use a Pelican Storm iM2050. Some photos here: > > > http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/102637603515/space-savers-i-picked-up-a-pair-of-these-audio > > > http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/122906632025/sota-w1gm-003-mount-equinox-vt-activation > > 72, > Chris KQ2RP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jock.irvine at gmail.com > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Apr 13 17:07:52 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:07:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case In-Reply-To: <3F5167D7-A724-4D18-B4C9-D5542C9752A7@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: On 4/12/16 at 9:08 PM, nq5t at tx.rr.com (Grant Youngman) wrote: >Rose Kopp makes an excellent storage and travel bag for the KX3 >in a couple of different versions. Link is on the Elecraft website. > >... >It's a soft bag, so you can't reasonably stand on it, drop it >off a cliff and expect it to survive, or fly with it as checked >baggage etc., but at least it doesn't weigh more than what's >inside it. I have one of Rose's lovely bags which I will be flying with for the first time later this month. I plan to put into my suitcase, which is what I did with the Pelican case I used before. If any disasters occur, I'll let you all know. 73 Bill AE6JV -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray From pincon at erols.com Wed Apr 13 19:00:41 2016 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 19:00:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <011201d195d8$51f79670$f5e6c350$@erols.com> Be very careful......Those old musical instrument cases are likely to be haunted by the ghost of the instrument it held. The instrument, if not current IN the case will drive you nutz if it finds that you're using for something else. By the way Clarinets are the absolute WORST for this phenomenon. You'll hear those spooky tweets in the middle of the night until the two are re-united. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jock Irvine Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 4:21 PM To: Chris Del Plato KQ2RP Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case I have an old clarinet case I'm thinking about converting to a case for the KX3. Where did you get the foam for your Pelican case and how do you cut it? 73, Jock N1JI On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Chris Del Plato KQ2RP wrote: > I use a Pelican Storm iM2050. Some photos here: > > > http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/102637603515/space-savers-i-picked-up-a-p > air-of-these-audio > > > http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/122906632025/sota-w1gm-003-mount-equinox- > vt-activation > > 72, > Chris KQ2RP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jock.irvine at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Apr 13 19:13:37 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:13:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case In-Reply-To: <011201d195d8$51f79670$f5e6c350$@erols.com> References: <011201d195d8$51f79670$f5e6c350$@erols.com> Message-ID: Dang! That is where the birdies come from. I?ve been blaming the U-Verse router all this time, and it was the clarinet case. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Apr 13, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > > Be very careful......Those old musical instrument cases are likely to be > haunted by the ghost of the instrument it held. > The instrument, if not current IN the case will drive you nutz if it finds > that you're using for something else. > By the way Clarinets are the absolute WORST for this phenomenon. > You'll hear those spooky tweets in the middle of the night until the two are > re-united. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jock > Irvine > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 4:21 PM > To: Chris Del Plato KQ2RP > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case > > I have an old clarinet case I'm thinking about converting to a case for the > KX3. Where did you get the foam for your Pelican case and how do you cut > it? > > 73, > > Jock N1JI > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Chris Del Plato KQ2RP > wrote: > >> I use a Pelican Storm iM2050. Some photos here: >> >> >> http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/102637603515/space-savers-i-picked-up-a-p >> air-of-these-audio >> >> >> http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/122906632025/sota-w1gm-003-mount-equinox- >> vt-activation >> >> 72, >> Chris KQ2RP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> jock.irvine at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to pincon at erols.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From k9ma at sdellington.us Wed Apr 13 22:56:45 2016 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (Scott Ellington) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 21:56:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX-1 Paddle (KXPD1) Message-ID: <570F06ED.7080000@sdellington.us> I found it very hard to get the screw tight enough that the paddle didn't wobble, on two different KX-1's. Because of the position of the key jack on the PC board, the hole in the paddle didn't line up with the tapped hole in the case. (This was in the left-handed position; I didn't check the other one.) I carefully drilled out the paddle from the KX-1 side, taking care not to drill into the threaded part that keeps the screw from falling out. (Drill the paddle, NOT the KX-1 case!) Then I cut a slot in the top of the screw for screwdriver. A tiny drop of oil on the screw threads, and it works great. 73, Scott K9MA -- Scott Ellington K9MA Madison, Wisconsin, USA k9ma at sdellington.us From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Apr 13 23:04:50 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:04:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers Message-ID: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> Hi all, We've had many requests for a small control panel (or pod) as an extension to the K3 and K3S transceivers. We finally got around to it! Our new K-Pod is a very compact unit, featuring a precision tuning knob, VFO A/B/offset rocker switch, and 8 programmable tactile-feedback switches. Switch feedback is provided by activation messages on the radio's LCD, as well as the pod's own 4 indicator LEDs and audio tone generator. This multi-modal information can help maximize operating efficiency and reduce fatigue during extended operating periods. Typically the K-Pod would be placed next to a computer keyboard, allowing the operator to quickly QSY, clear RIT, enter diversity mode, change menu settings, etc., without that long stretch to reach the radio's front panel. But the K-Pod's flexible interface goes beyond substitution of the radio's knobs and switches. In effect, you can design your own customized controls for the radio. Each of the 8 programmable switches has tap and hold functions. When a switch function is used, it activates one of up to 16 user-defined command sequences that are actually stored in the radio itself, as macros. A single macro can accomplish many tasks at once, such as setting up custom splits, configuring the receiver or subreceiver for specific situations, sending transmit messages at differing code speeds, etc. Macros can be easily created or edited using K3 Utility, which runs on PC, Mac, or Linux platforms. The K-Pod has the following features: * high-quality weighted, soft-touch tuning knob--same as used on the K3S * same 400-count, ball-bearing optical encoder used in the K3 and K3S * adjustable knob friction * 3-position rocker switch to assign the knob to VFO A, VFO B, or RIT/XIT * 8 programmable function switches, each with tap/hold functions * simple switch programming using K3 Utility (many examples in K-Pod manual) * four user-definable LEDs (three of them show knob assignment by default) * audio tone generator for switch feedback (can be easily turned off) * USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control applications * simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack beneath the front panel * flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel jack, USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio modification (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data and power) * 3 utility outputs for miscellaneous equipment control applications (outputs provide a low resistance to ground when turned on, usable with relays, etc.) The K-Pod's all-steel enclosure weighs a full pound for excellent stability, yet measures only about 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches. A highly stable folding tilt stand is included to angle the panel for optimal access. There's also a 2-hole RAM mount pattern on the bottom for easy attachment to any surface. For photos and further information, please visit our K-Pod web page: http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm 73, Wayne, N6KR Eric, WA6HHQ From m.cresap at yahoo.com Wed Apr 13 23:21:15 2016 From: m.cresap at yahoo.com (M Cresap) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 03:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1631392426.275086.1460604075913.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Wayne Will the K-pod work with the K3-0? 73, Mike, W3IP From: Wayne Burdick To: Elecraft Reflector Cc: "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" ; "elecraft at yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 11:04 PM Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers Hi all, We've had many requests for a small control panel (or pod) as an extension to the K3 and K3S transceivers. We finally got around to it! Our new K-Pod is a very compact unit, featuring a precision tuning knob, VFO A/B/offset rocker switch, and 8 programmable tactile-feedback switches. Switch feedback is provided by activation messages on the radio's LCD, as well as the pod's own 4 indicator LEDs and audio tone generator. This multi-modal information can help maximize operating efficiency and reduce fatigue during extended operating periods. Typically the K-Pod would be placed next to a computer keyboard, allowing the operator to quickly QSY, clear RIT, enter diversity mode, change menu settings, etc., without that long stretch to reach the radio's front panel. But the K-Pod's flexible interface goes beyond substitution of the radio's knobs and switches. In effect, you can design your own customized controls for the radio. Each of the 8 programmable switches has tap and hold functions. When a switch function is used, it activates one of up to 16 user-defined command sequences that are actually stored in the radio itself, as macros. A single macro can accomplish many tasks at once, such as setting up custom splits, configuring the receiver or subreceiver for specific situations, sending transmit messages at differing code speeds, etc. Macros can be easily created or edited using K3 Utility, which runs on PC, Mac, or Linux platforms. The K-Pod has the following features: * high-quality weighted, soft-touch tuning knob--same as used on the K3S * same 400-count, ball-bearing optical encoder used in the K3 and K3S * adjustable knob friction * 3-position rocker switch to assign the knob to VFO A, VFO B, or RIT/XIT * 8 programmable function switches, each with tap/hold functions * simple switch programming using K3 Utility (many examples in K-Pod manual) * four user-definable LEDs (three of them show knob assignment by default) * audio tone generator for switch feedback (can be easily turned off) * USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control applications * simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack beneath the front panel * flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel jack, ? USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio modification ? (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data and power) * 3 utility outputs for miscellaneous equipment control applications ? (outputs provide a low resistance to ground when turned on, usable with relays, etc.) The K-Pod's all-steel enclosure weighs a full pound for excellent stability, yet measures only about 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches. A highly stable folding tilt stand is included to angle the panel for optimal access. There's also a 2-hole RAM mount pattern on the bottom for easy attachment to any surface. For photos and further information, please visit our K-Pod web page: ? http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm 73, Wayne, N6KR Eric, WA6HHQ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to m.cresap at yahoo.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Apr 13 23:35:02 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:35:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <1631392426.275086.1460604075913.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <1631392426.275086.1460604075913.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Short answer: yes. We have a bit more firmware to write, but this is the plan. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:21 PM, M Cresap wrote: > > Hi Wayne > > Will the K-pod work with the K3-0? > > 73, Mike, W3IP > > > From: Wayne Burdick > To: Elecraft Reflector > Cc: "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" ; "elecraft at yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 11:04 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers > > Hi all, > > We've had many requests for a small control panel (or pod) as an extension to the K3 and K3S transceivers. We finally got around to it! > > Our new K-Pod is a very compact unit, featuring a precision tuning knob, VFO A/B/offset rocker switch, and 8 programmable tactile-feedback switches. Switch feedback is provided by activation messages on the radio's LCD, as well as the pod's own 4 indicator LEDs and audio tone generator. This multi-modal information can help maximize operating efficiency and reduce fatigue during extended operating periods. > > Typically the K-Pod would be placed next to a computer keyboard, allowing the operator to quickly QSY, clear RIT, enter diversity mode, change menu settings, etc., without that long stretch to reach the radio's front panel. > > But the K-Pod's flexible interface goes beyond substitution of the radio's knobs and switches. In effect, you can design your own customized controls for the radio. > > Each of the 8 programmable switches has tap and hold functions. When a switch function is used, it activates one of up to 16 user-defined command sequences that are actually stored in the radio itself, as macros. A single macro can accomplish many tasks at once, such as setting up custom splits, configuring the receiver or subreceiver for specific situations, sending transmit messages at differing code speeds, etc. Macros can be easily created or edited using K3 Utility, which runs on PC, Mac, or Linux platforms. > > The K-Pod has the following features: > > * high-quality weighted, soft-touch tuning knob--same as used on the K3S > * same 400-count, ball-bearing optical encoder used in the K3 and K3S > * adjustable knob friction > * 3-position rocker switch to assign the knob to VFO A, VFO B, or RIT/XIT > * 8 programmable function switches, each with tap/hold functions > * simple switch programming using K3 Utility (many examples in K-Pod manual) > * four user-definable LEDs (three of them show knob assignment by default) > * audio tone generator for switch feedback (can be easily turned off) > * USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control applications > * simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack beneath the front panel > * flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel jack, > USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio modification > (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data and power) > * 3 utility outputs for miscellaneous equipment control applications > (outputs provide a low resistance to ground when turned on, usable with relays, etc.) > > The K-Pod's all-steel enclosure weighs a full pound for excellent stability, yet measures only about 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches. A highly stable folding tilt stand is included to angle the panel for optimal access. There's also a 2-hole RAM mount pattern on the bottom for easy attachment to any surface. > > For photos and further information, please visit our K-Pod web page: > > http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm > > 73, > Wayne, N6KR > Eric, WA6HHQ > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m.cresap at yahoo.com > > From dave at nk7z.net Wed Apr 13 23:51:30 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:51:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1460605890.31718.43.camel@nk7z.net> What a cool accessory Wayne! ?Nice work!! -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2016-04-13 at 20:04 -0700, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [Elecraft_K3] wrote: > Hi all, > > We've had many requests for a small control panel (or pod) as an > extension to the K3 and K3S transceivers. We finally got around to > it!? > > Our new K-Pod is a very compact unit, featuring a precision tuning > knob, VFO A/B/offset rocker switch, and 8 programmable tactile- > feedback switches. Switch feedback is provided by activation messages > on the radio's LCD, as well as the pod's own 4 indicator LEDs and > audio tone generator. This multi-modal information can help maximize > operating efficiency and reduce fatigue during extended operating > periods. > > Typically the K-Pod would be placed next to a computer keyboard, > allowing the operator to quickly QSY, clear RIT, enter diversity > mode, change menu settings, etc., without that long stretch to reach > the radio's front panel.? > > But the K-Pod's flexible interface goes beyond substitution of the > radio's knobs and switches. In effect, you can design your own > customized controls for the radio. > > Each of the 8 programmable switches has tap and hold functions. When > a switch function is used, it activates one of up to 16 user-defined > command sequences that are actually stored in the radio itself, as > macros. A single macro can accomplish many tasks at once, such as > setting up custom splits, configuring the receiver or subreceiver for > specific situations, sending transmit messages at differing code > speeds, etc. Macros can be easily created or edited using K3 Utility, > which runs on PC, Mac, or Linux platforms. > > The K-Pod has the following features: > > * high-quality weighted, soft-touch tuning knob--same as used on the > K3S > * same 400-count, ball-bearing optical encoder used in the K3 and K3S > * adjustable knob friction > * 3-position rocker switch to assign the knob to VFO A, VFO B, or > RIT/XIT > * 8 programmable function switches, each with tap/hold functions > * simple switch programming using K3 Utility (many examples in K-Pod > manual) > * four user-definable LEDs (three of them show knob assignment by > default) > * audio tone generator for switch feedback (can be easily turned off) > * USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control > applications > * simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack > beneath the front panel > * flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel > jack,? > USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio > modification > (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data > and power) > * 3 utility outputs for miscellaneous equipment control applications? > (outputs provide a low resistance to ground when turned on, usable > with relays, etc.) > > The K-Pod's all-steel enclosure weighs a full pound for excellent > stability, yet measures only about 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches. A highly > stable folding tilt stand is included to angle the panel for optimal > access. There's also a 2-hole RAM mount pattern on the bottom for > easy attachment to any surface. > > For photos and further information, please visit our K-Pod web page: > > http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm > > 73, > Wayne, N6KR > Eric, WA6HHQ > > __._,_.___ > Posted by: Wayne Burdick > ?Reply via web post??????????????????????? ? ?Reply to > sender???????????? ? ?Reply to group???????????? > ? ?Start a New Topic??????????? ? ?Messages in > this topic (1)??????????????????????? > VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 8 > ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use? > . > ? > > __,_._,___ From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 00:27:56 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 21:27:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <1460605890.31718.43.camel@nk7z.net> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <1460605890.31718.43.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <0E51372A-A0FD-4FB3-9F05-4C4646A7D599@elecraft.com> On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > What a cool accessory Wayne! Nice work!! > -- > 73's, and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) Thanks, Dave. We had lots of input from our long-standing K-Line focus group. They pretty much got everything they wanted. I could write a novella about the rocker-switch debate ;) Wayne N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 00:50:16 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 21:50:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod hands-on test opportunity; request for K-Pod application ideas Message-ID: <812CA5CC-1DA1-4974-A9E7-C8D609FB7B75@elecraft.com> If you're planning to go to the Visalia DX convention this weekend (dxconvention.org), please drop by our booth and give the K-Pod a test drive. We're very interested in hearing about your potential uses for the K-Pod, including proposed macros (command sequences). Some of these might make great examples for the owner's manual. In the future, we'll also support general-purpose USB functionality involving additional equipment types. All ideas and opinions welcome. 73, Wayne N6KR From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 00:51:32 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 14:51:32 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod ControlPanel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <0E51372A-A0FD-4FB3-9F05-4C4646A7D599@elecraft.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <1460605890.31718.43.camel@nk7z.net> <0E51372A-A0FD-4FB3-9F05-4C4646A7D599@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <570f21d7.8a44620a.4beb2.ffffe155@mx.google.com> Simply brilliant Wayne, it sure has that wow factor. Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Wayne Burdick" Sent: ?14/?04/?2016 2:50 PM To: "dave at nk7z.net" Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" ; "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" ; "elecraft at yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod ControlPanel for K3S and K3 Transceivers On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > What a cool accessory Wayne! Nice work!! > -- > 73's, and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) Thanks, Dave. We had lots of input from our long-standing K-Line focus group. They pretty much got everything they wanted. I could write a novella about the rocker-switch debate ;) Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Thu Apr 14 07:49:44 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 07:49:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <570F83D8.2070403@nycap.rr.com> This is right up there with sliced bread. Gets control of the K3 to the edge of the desk - no longer have to reach across the desk. Come on June 15th!!! Bill W2BLC K-Line From pa3a at xs4all.nl Thu Apr 14 08:08:00 2016 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 14:08:00 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <570F8820.9000007@xs4all.nl> K-pod: Interesting feature. Could be the first part to connect to the K4. 73 Arie PA3A --- Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From idarack at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 08:09:45 2016 From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:09:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Wayne, Can you use the K-Pod function keys to key the CW, RTTY & DVK SSB memories stored in the K3S? Thanks, Irwin KD3TB On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi all, > > We've had many requests for a small control panel (or pod) as an extension > to the K3 and K3S transceivers. We finally got around to it! > > Our new K-Pod is a very compact unit, featuring a precision tuning knob, > VFO A/B/offset rocker switch, and 8 programmable tactile-feedback switches. > Switch feedback is provided by activation messages on the radio's LCD, as > well as the pod's own 4 indicator LEDs and audio tone generator. This > multi-modal information can help maximize operating efficiency and reduce > fatigue during extended operating periods. > > Typically the K-Pod would be placed next to a computer keyboard, allowing > the operator to quickly QSY, clear RIT, enter diversity mode, change menu > settings, etc., without that long stretch to reach the radio's front panel. > > But the K-Pod's flexible interface goes beyond substitution of the radio's > knobs and switches. In effect, you can design your own customized controls > for the radio. > > Each of the 8 programmable switches has tap and hold functions. When a > switch function is used, it activates one of up to 16 user-defined command > sequences that are actually stored in the radio itself, as macros. A single > macro can accomplish many tasks at once, such as setting up custom splits, > configuring the receiver or subreceiver for specific situations, sending > transmit messages at differing code speeds, etc. Macros can be easily > created or edited using K3 Utility, which runs on PC, Mac, or Linux > platforms. > > The K-Pod has the following features: > > * high-quality weighted, soft-touch tuning knob--same as used on the K3S > * same 400-count, ball-bearing optical encoder used in the K3 and K3S > * adjustable knob friction > * 3-position rocker switch to assign the knob to VFO A, VFO B, or RIT/XIT > * 8 programmable function switches, each with tap/hold functions > * simple switch programming using K3 Utility (many examples in K-Pod > manual) > * four user-definable LEDs (three of them show knob assignment by default) > * audio tone generator for switch feedback (can be easily turned off) > * USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control > applications > * simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack beneath the > front panel > * flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel jack, > USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio > modification > (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data and > power) > * 3 utility outputs for miscellaneous equipment control applications > (outputs provide a low resistance to ground when turned on, usable with > relays, etc.) > > The K-Pod's all-steel enclosure weighs a full pound for excellent > stability, yet measures only about 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches. A highly stable > folding tilt stand is included to angle the panel for optimal access. > There's also a 2-hole RAM mount pattern on the bottom for easy attachment > to any surface. > > For photos and further information, please visit our K-Pod web page: > > http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm > > 73, > Wayne, N6KR > Eric, WA6HHQ > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to idarack at gmail.com > -- Irwin KD3TB From w2up at comcast.net Thu Apr 14 08:10:32 2016 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 05:10:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <570F83D8.2070403@nycap.rr.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <570F83D8.2070403@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <1460635832857-7616305.post@n2.nabble.com> Is this the forerunner to the K-Watch? :-) Barry W2UP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-Elecraft-Product-K-Pod-Control-Panel-for-K3S-and-K3-Transceivers-tp7616296p7616305.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From turnbull at net1.ie Thu Apr 14 08:21:05 2016 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:21:05 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3Sand K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com><1631392426.275086.1460604075913.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7F50AD2624F0446793FCA90BE5BCFF51@DougTPC> Dear OM Wayne, Thank you for producing a control pod! It is one accessory I have wanted since first purchasing a K3. The Orion II had a more basic version of what you are about to produce. For me the most important function is the ability to access the eight messages stored CW and Voice memory. No longer do I have to pose my finger over M2 button blocking the view of the P3 and most of the other switches. This was always uncomfortable. As my aunt use to say you are a brick; this is a complement. Some people may now sit back in their Lazy-Boy reclining chairs listening to the mail. Life is good and Elecraft is dedicating itself to real improvements in its product line. I do not need a K4; Elecraft meets all my needs as is. Mucho gracias my friends in Elecraft. Plan for a good production run; I am ordering two. Life is good! &3 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: 14 April 2016 03:35 To: M Cresap Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3Sand K3 Transceivers Short answer: yes. We have a bit more firmware to write, but this is the plan. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:21 PM, M Cresap wrote: > > Hi Wayne > > Will the K-pod work with the K3-0? > > 73, Mike, W3IP > > > From: Wayne Burdick > To: Elecraft Reflector > Cc: "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" ; "elecraft at yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 11:04 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers > > Hi all, > > We've had many requests for a small control panel (or pod) as an extension to the K3 and K3S transceivers. We finally got around to it! > > Our new K-Pod is a very compact unit, featuring a precision tuning knob, VFO A/B/offset rocker switch, and 8 programmable tactile-feedback switches. Switch feedback is provided by activation messages on the radio's LCD, as well as the pod's own 4 indicator LEDs and audio tone generator. This multi-modal information can help maximize operating efficiency and reduce fatigue during extended operating periods. > > Typically the K-Pod would be placed next to a computer keyboard, allowing the operator to quickly QSY, clear RIT, enter diversity mode, change menu settings, etc., without that long stretch to reach the radio's front panel. > > But the K-Pod's flexible interface goes beyond substitution of the radio's knobs and switches. In effect, you can design your own customized controls for the radio. > > Each of the 8 programmable switches has tap and hold functions. When a switch function is used, it activates one of up to 16 user-defined command sequences that are actually stored in the radio itself, as macros. A single macro can accomplish many tasks at once, such as setting up custom splits, configuring the receiver or subreceiver for specific situations, sending transmit messages at differing code speeds, etc. Macros can be easily created or edited using K3 Utility, which runs on PC, Mac, or Linux platforms. > > The K-Pod has the following features: > > * high-quality weighted, soft-touch tuning knob--same as used on the K3S > * same 400-count, ball-bearing optical encoder used in the K3 and K3S > * adjustable knob friction > * 3-position rocker switch to assign the knob to VFO A, VFO B, or RIT/XIT > * 8 programmable function switches, each with tap/hold functions > * simple switch programming using K3 Utility (many examples in K-Pod manual) > * four user-definable LEDs (three of them show knob assignment by default) > * audio tone generator for switch feedback (can be easily turned off) > * USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control applications > * simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack beneath the front panel > * flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel jack, > USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio modification > (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data and power) > * 3 utility outputs for miscellaneous equipment control applications > (outputs provide a low resistance to ground when turned on, usable with relays, etc.) > > The K-Pod's all-steel enclosure weighs a full pound for excellent stability, yet measures only about 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches. A highly stable folding tilt stand is included to angle the panel for optimal access. There's also a 2-hole RAM mount pattern on the bottom for easy attachment to any surface. > > For photos and further information, please visit our K-Pod web page: > > http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm > > 73, > Wayne, N6KR > Eric, WA6HHQ > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m.cresap at yahoo.com > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From hs0zed at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 08:26:08 2016 From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 15:26:08 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <1460635832857-7616305.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <570F83D8.2070403@nycap.rr.com> <1460635832857-7616305.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570F8C60.3010000@gmail.com> It looks a bit heavy! I'll wait for the K-Pod air! Martin, HS0ZED On 14/04/2016 15:10, Barry wrote: > Is this the forerunner to the K-Watch? :-) > > Barry W2UP > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-Elecraft-Product-K-Pod-Control-Panel-for-K3S-and-K3-Transceivers-tp7616296p7616305.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hs0zed at gmail.com From Gary at ka1j.com Thu Apr 14 08:35:48 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:35:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] AFSK-A with K3s In-Reply-To: <570E8A89.4020905@mdodd.com> References: , <570E7442.6000108@triconet.org>, <570E8A89.4020905@mdodd.com> Message-ID: <570F8EA4.5489.2DA9F9C@Gary.ka1j.com> Mike, This was a very timely thread for me in that I have been trying to get MMTTY working with the K3s and missed any contacts with the FT4 on RTTY and only made a RTTY Q with the VK0 because I used the memories in the K3s to send RTTY via FSK, not MMTTY. In fact, what I was transmitting was just a key down and not the RTTY I thought I was putting out and I was inadvertently QRMing every time I transmitted. I asked on the MMTTY yahoo group about how to sync the K3s properly and a very helpful ham from VK finally helped me figure out what I was doing wrong. The info in this thread is also very helpful. I did find that for some reason when I would select AFSK A, it was still set at FSK D and I must not have properly saved the AFSK setting. Now I have it correctly set and its working beautifully. I am so satisfied with the K3s, it is just a magnificent piece of electronics and makes my day better. 73, Gary KA1J > OK, I think I have it straight now. Thanks to all, and especially to > Gene, N9TF who emailed me off-list. > > For the benefit of all, here is what I learned today: > > I _do_ need to turn on VOX if I want to use a logging program that grabs > the USB control port (COM5 in my case). I had MMTTY set up to key the > rig on COM5, but it occurred to me that I didn't have my logging > software open at that time. So PTT via COM5 is out, VOX is in. > > I don't normally use VOX, so my MENU: VOX gain was set to 0. Once I > turned it up to 8 or higher, the MMTTY tones keyed the rig just fine. > > MENU: MIC SEL is automatically set to LINE IN when data mode AFSK-A is > selected. This automatically reverts to my normal FP mic selection when > I switch back to a voice mode. > > The mic gain must be set for 5 bars on the ALC meter. On my K3s, this is > a MIC setting of only 2, and the fifth bar doesn't flicker as it does > with voice, because a steady tone is being transmitted. > > The MIC gain control sets the LINE IN gain. This automatically reverts > to my normal mic gain when I switch back to a voice mode. > > How convenient is that! THANK YOU, Elecraft. > > Bottom line (on my K3s, at least): > > * DATA MD = AFSK-A > * VOX on > * MENU: VOX GN = 8 - 10 > * MENU: MIC SEL = LINE IN (automatic with AFSK-A) > * MIC gain = 2 > * PITCH = Mark frequency and shift to match those set in MMTTY > > MMTTY: > * Setup, Sound card = USB audio CODEC > * Setup, Misc device identifiers = RX 0, TX 1 (TX 0 is the PC's speakers) > * Setup, TX, radio command, port = NONE if using logging software that > needs the COM port > > I think that about covers it. Thanks again to all who offered suggestions. > > -- > 73, Mike N4CF > Louisa County, VA USA > Elecraft K3s/100 > Carolina Windom up 45' > http://n4cf.mdodd.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From n7rjn at nobis.net Thu Apr 14 09:18:58 2016 From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 06:18:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <1460605890.31718.43.camel@nk7z.net> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <1460605890.31718.43.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <07DF72FE-32A5-476A-84DC-17AAA82792DD@nobis.net> Fantastic. I have been waiting for something like this. I pre-ordered the morning. 73, Bob Nobis - N7RJN n7rjn at nobis.net > > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7rjn at nobis.net From ny9h at arrl.net Thu Apr 14 09:17:25 2016 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:17:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: ORDER IN as they say on "hawaii 50" SHIP IT WAYNO.........errr ah Danno.... guess I'll have to wait till Dayton to try out my new acquisition. bill H/3 From k5oai.sam at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 09:47:05 2016 From: k5oai.sam at gmail.com (Sam Morgan) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:47:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 heat problem? Message-ID: <570F9F59.5040801@gmail.com> This is after just listening, not transmitting. If I place my hand on the right side, near the front of my K3, (where the screw is for the heat sink), it's very warm. One of those infrared thermometers says 106 degrees F. Is this normal? I am running the K3 on 12.8v TIA -- GB & 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan John 3:16 Ephesians 2:8-9 1 Peter 2:24 Acts 2:38 From dave at nk7z.net Thu Apr 14 10:11:46 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 07:11:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Additional Macros in Spread sheet for K3/P3 Message-ID: <1460643106.31718.63.camel@nk7z.net> Hello, For those of you that are doing macros, I have updated the macro spread sheet with four more new macros, they are: QRP PWR Sets to 2 Watts DIG PWR Sets to 25 Watts CAL Sends your call sign in CW RPT Sends 5NN TU in CW VFO A/B Toggles between VFOs A and B Additionally, I have added explanations of what each of the 30 some odd macros do. This was intended for those of you that have a Genovation Keypad, but the Macros will work with or without the Genovation, so the spread sheet is good for those that have not done the Genovation thing as well... See: http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/ About half way down in the section titled "A few hints", you will find a link to the spread sheet. -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info From oz7bq at yahoo.dk Thu Apr 14 09:49:52 2016 From: oz7bq at yahoo.dk (Hans J Rasmusen) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 15:49:52 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 144, Issue 20 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <747FD7A1-E3C6-4E04-B6F6-7D0C51937414@yahoo.dk> Cool, Will it work with the KX3 as well? 73 OZ7BQ, Hans J?rgen Sendt fra min iPhone > Den 14. apr. 2016 kl. 14.26 skrev elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net: > > Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to > elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > elecraft-owner at mailman.qth.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: K3s AFSK frequencies (n9tf at comcast.net) > 2. Re: K3s AFSK frequencies (Ed Muns) > 3. Re: K3s AFSK frequencies (Dave Hachadorian) > 4. Re: AFSK-A with K3s (Mike Dodd) > 5. Re: AFSK-A with K3s (Wes) > 6. Re: AFSK-A with K3s (Wes) > 7. Re: K3s AFSK frequencies (Ed Muns) > 8. Re: KX3 Carrying Case (Chris Del Plato KQ2RP) > 9. Re: AFSK-A with K3s (Mike Dodd) > 10. Re: KX3 Carrying Case (Jock Irvine) > 11. Re: KX3 Carrying Case (Bill Frantz) > 12. Re: KX3 Carrying Case (Charlie T, K3ICH) > 13. Re: KX3 Carrying Case (Walter Underwood) > 14. KX-1 Paddle (KXPD1) (Scott Ellington) > 15. New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 > Transceivers (Wayne Burdick) > 16. Re: New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 > Transceivers (M Cresap) > 17. Re: New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 > Transceivers (Wayne Burdick) > 18. Re: [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel > for K3S and K3 Transceivers (Dave Cole) > 19. Re: [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel > for K3S and K3 Transceivers (Wayne Burdick) > 20. K-Pod hands-on test opportunity; request for K-Pod > application ideas (Wayne Burdick) > 21. Re: [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod ControlPanel > for K3S and K3 Transceivers (Gary) > 22. Re: New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 > Transceivers (Bill) > 23. Re: New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 > Transceivers (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) > 24. Re: New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 > Transceivers (Irwin Darack) > 25. Re: New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 > Transceivers (Barry) > 26. Re: New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3Sand K3 > Transceivers (Doug Turnbull) > 27. Re: New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 > Transceivers (Martin Sole) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 15:58:28 +0000 (UTC) > From: n9tf at comcast.net > To: john at kk9a.com > Cc: elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies > Message-ID: > <1267124641.8946069.1460563108394.JavaMail.zimbra at comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I have had really good luck using the 500hz roofing filter and adjusting down to 400Hz with DSP for rag chewing. In contests I will adjust to 350 or even 300Hz, depending on how close signals get bunched together, with very good decode. > I've also made adjustments to AGC, which have also been an improvement. AGC DCY - soft, AGC SLP - 6, AGC THR - 16. All other AGC settings at default. These settings in my location, seem to work the best for me so far. > ? > Gene, N9TF > K3S 10057 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: john at kk9a.com > To: "elecraft" > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 8:56:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies > > The optimal band width may depend on how crowded the band is. Wide > filtering may work well for a DXer trying to copy a super weak signal on a > quiet band. I only use RTTY in contests when the bands are packed and I > have had great results using very narrow roofing filters. > > John KK9A > > > from: Dave Hachadorian > Tue Apr 12 23:54:57 EDT 2016 > > Current thinking is to use a fairly wide filter for RTTY. ?The > software filters that are applied in the sound card are much > narrower, about 50 Hz wide. ?Lately I've been using the 2.7 KHz > roofing filter, with DSP bandwidth set to about 600 Hz. > > > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL > Yuma, AZ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n9tf at comcast.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:05:40 -0700 > From: "Ed Muns" > To: "'Mike Dodd'" > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > RTTY audio tones are personal choice only affecting the audio at your > station. I can use 2125/2295 and you can use 1275/1445 when we communicate > with each other. This is analogous to me using a CW pitch of 800 Hz and you > using 400 Hz in the same QSO. The local audio tones we each choose have no > impact on the other station. > > Two caveats: > > 1. With AFSK, but not FSK, transmission, using low tones, e.g., 915/1085, > allows their second harmonic to fall within the radio's TX IF passband, > e.g., 2800 Hz, creating QRM to the extent of the second harmonic. > > 2. Most radios show the SSB suppressed carrier frequency in AFSK mode > rather than the Mark frequency which is the convention for denoting RTTY. > The suppressed carrier frequency will differ from the RF Mark frequency by > the amount of the local audio Mark frequency. This usually leads to > inconsistent frequencies being communicated, for example, in a spotting > network. The K3/K3s, however, show the RTTY Mark frequency on the dial in > both AFSK or FSK transmit modes. > > With most of today's software decoders (MMTTY, 2Tone, GRITTY, Fldigi, MixW, > etc.), an IF bandwidth of at least 500 Hz is recommended. The decoding > algorithms make use of the sidebands outside the 170 Hz shifted frequencies > to decrease error rate. Narrower IF filters may be appropriate in very rare > situations where near-by strong signals can be reduced from overloading the > IF. But, this comes at a cost of higher RTTY error rate. I seldom, if > ever, go below 500 Hz even in the worst of QRM situations. > > This also means that slightly lower error rate is achievable with the K3/K3s > Dual-Tone Filter DISabled, contrary to conventional intuition. > > For RTTY, AGC should be Off, another conflict with conventional thinking. > > Ed W0YK > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Mike N4CF wrote: > > Hello to the group. I just put my new K3s/100 into service, and have a > question about the Mark frequency to use with AFSK. Before the K3s, I > used a SignaLink with my KX3 and MMTTY. With that setup, I set MMTTY to > use 915 Hz for the Mark frequency, and everything worked fine. > > Fiddling with the K3s and its internal USB sound card (I love that!), I > can select various higher Mark frequencies using the PITCH button, and > set MMTTY accordingly, and the K3 still decodes the RTTY. > > So my question is, what is the "standard" or common Mark frequency to > use for AFSK on the K3? Or is it a matter of personal preference -- > which sounds better to my ears when tuning RTTY signals? > > Also, what bandwidth is commonly used for 170 Hz-shift RTTY? I stocked > this K3s with four 8-pole filters, including 400 Hz and 250 Hz. The 250 > Hz filter works with RTTY, but the MMTTY X-Y scope pattern looks like I > might be pushing things with that narrow a filter. the 400 Hz filter > looks better. > > But David (I think) at Elecraft told me when I made my list of filters > that I'd be using 2.1 kHz or 2.8 kHz for RTTY. That doesn't make a lot > of sense to me if QRM is present. OTOH, MMTTY is decoding specific > tones, so maybe filter width doesn't make much difference. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:19:10 -0700 > From: "Dave Hachadorian" > To: "Reflector Elecraft" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >> For RTTY, AGC should be Off, another conflict with conventional >> thinking. > > Ed is correct on this, but turning AGC off on the K3 causes > problems with loud signals due to the hard-limiting and > distorting action of the AF Limiter. A better approach with the > K3 is to use fast AGC, AGC SLP=0, and AGC THR as high as > possible without causing a sound card overload warning on the > loudest signals. For RTTY, with my usual gain settings, I find > that AGC THR = 17 works well. > > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL > Yuma, AZ > > . > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:26:33 -0400 > From: Mike Dodd > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AFSK-A with K3s > Message-ID: <570E7339.4020804 at mdodd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Various people wrote: > > >> VOX on? >> You need some way for MMTTY to switch the K3S between receive and transmit. > > Sigh.... Please excuse my frustration. > > My original posting was clear: MMTTY _is_ putting the K3s into transmit > and _is_ sending tones to the built-in sound card. I can hear the tones > when the K3s is in XMIT, but no RF comes out the antenna connector. > > The red TX LED on the K3s turns on, and the RF bar graph displays one > bar, or zero watts. I can hear the tones in the K3s speaker and phones > plugged into the rear panel. > > There is no need for VOX -- MMTTY puts the K3s into XMIT if PTT is > turned on _and/or_ if VOX is turned on. > > Everything is fine except the K3s is not transmitting the audio from the > built-in sound card. > > I'll keep trying. > > -- > 73, Mike N4CF > Louisa County, VA USA > Elecraft K3s/100 > Carolina Windom up 45' > http://n4cf.mdodd.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:30:58 -0700 > From: Wes > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AFSK-A with K3s > Message-ID: <570E7442.6000108 at triconet.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Make sure the TX mark frequency in MMTTY is the same as what you've chosen in > the K3. > >> On 4/13/2016 7:11 AM, Mike Dodd wrote: >> Thanks to all who replied off-list to my question about choosing a Mark >> frequency. Now on to a new question.... >> >> Last night I was receiving RTTY using MMTTY and the AFSK-A mode on the K3s. >> This morning I am trying to get the K3s to transmit, but not having much luck. >> >> I'm using the internal USB sound card in the K3s. I have successfully >> configured MMTTY to: >> >> 1. Receive and decode tones from the sound card. >> 2. Key the K3s when I click the TX button in MMTTY. >> 3. Send tones to the K3s when the TX button is clicked. I can hear the tones >> in the K3s speaker and headphones. If I choose a different Mark frequency in >> MMTTY, I hear the expected tones on the K3s. >> >> Clearly audio tones are being sent to the K3s. But no RF comes out. I have PWR >> set to 50W (into a dummy load), and when I hold TUNE, the RF bar graph shows >> that power level (half scale, 5 bars). >> >> But when I click TX in MMTTY, and hear the tones on the K3s, the RF bar graph >> shows 0 (one bar). >> >> What must I do to make the K3s transmit the audio it's receiving from MMTTY? >> >> Thanks in advance. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:33:15 -0700 > From: Wes > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AFSK-A with K3s > Message-ID: <570E74CB.1000007 at triconet.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > You've run into a common problem: poor reading comprehension. > >> On 4/13/2016 9:26 AM, Mike Dodd wrote: >> Various people wrote: >> >> >>> VOX on? >>> You need some way for MMTTY to switch the K3S between receive and transmit. >> >> Sigh.... Please excuse my frustration. >> >> My original posting was clear: MMTTY _is_ putting the K3s into transmit and >> _is_ sending tones to the built-in sound card. I can hear the tones when the >> K3s is in XMIT, but no RF comes out the antenna connector. >> >> The red TX LED on the K3s turns on, and the RF bar graph displays one bar, or >> zero watts. I can hear the tones in the K3s speaker and phones plugged into >> the rear panel. >> >> There is no need for VOX -- MMTTY puts the K3s into XMIT if PTT is turned on >> _and/or_ if VOX is turned on. >> >> Everything is fine except the K3s is not transmitting the audio from the >> built-in sound card. >> >> I'll keep trying. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 10:09:58 -0700 > From: "Ed Muns" > To: "'Reflector Elecraft'" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s AFSK frequencies > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On RTTY, AF limiting doesn't occur because I run the AF Gain very low. I > only need to hear the presence or absence of a RTTY signal. > > On CW, I agree, because I turn the AF Gain up higher. But, I also run a > lower AGC THR than I would on RTTY. Thus, when changing modes between CW > and RTTY, it is easier to leave AGC setup for CW and just turn it On or Off > rather than go into CONFIG and change AGC THR. > > For RTTY, though, slow AGC will yield a lower error rate than fast AGC with > the modern software decoders. > > Ed W0YK > __________________________________________________________ > > Dave K6LL wrote: > >> Ed is correct on this, but turning AGC off on the K3 causes >> problems with loud signals due to the hard-limiting and >> distorting action of the AF Limiter. A better approach with the >> K3 is to use fast AGC, AGC SLP=0, and AGC THR as high as >> possible without causing a sound card overload warning on the >> loudest signals. For RTTY, with my usual gain settings, I find >> that AGC THR = 17 works well. > > Ed W0YK wrote: > >>> For RTTY, AGC should be Off, another conflict with conventional >>> thinking. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 13:20:00 -0400 > From: Chris Del Plato KQ2RP > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I use a Pelican Storm iM2050. Some photos here: > > http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/102637603515/space-savers-i-picked-up-a-pair-of-these-audio > > http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/122906632025/sota-w1gm-003-mount-equinox-vt-activation > > 72, > Chris KQ2RP > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:06:01 -0400 > From: Mike Dodd > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AFSK-A with K3s > Message-ID: <570E8A89.4020905 at mdodd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > OK, I think I have it straight now. Thanks to all, and especially to > Gene, N9TF who emailed me off-list. > > For the benefit of all, here is what I learned today: > > I _do_ need to turn on VOX if I want to use a logging program that grabs > the USB control port (COM5 in my case). I had MMTTY set up to key the > rig on COM5, but it occurred to me that I didn't have my logging > software open at that time. So PTT via COM5 is out, VOX is in. > > I don't normally use VOX, so my MENU: VOX gain was set to 0. Once I > turned it up to 8 or higher, the MMTTY tones keyed the rig just fine. > > MENU: MIC SEL is automatically set to LINE IN when data mode AFSK-A is > selected. This automatically reverts to my normal FP mic selection when > I switch back to a voice mode. > > The mic gain must be set for 5 bars on the ALC meter. On my K3s, this is > a MIC setting of only 2, and the fifth bar doesn't flicker as it does > with voice, because a steady tone is being transmitted. > > The MIC gain control sets the LINE IN gain. This automatically reverts > to my normal mic gain when I switch back to a voice mode. > > How convenient is that! THANK YOU, Elecraft. > > Bottom line (on my K3s, at least): > > * DATA MD = AFSK-A > * VOX on > * MENU: VOX GN = 8 - 10 > * MENU: MIC SEL = LINE IN (automatic with AFSK-A) > * MIC gain = 2 > * PITCH = Mark frequency and shift to match those set in MMTTY > > MMTTY: > * Setup, Sound card = USB audio CODEC > * Setup, Misc device identifiers = RX 0, TX 1 (TX 0 is the PC's speakers) > * Setup, TX, radio command, port = NONE if using logging software that > needs the COM port > > I think that about covers it. Thanks again to all who offered suggestions. > > -- > 73, Mike N4CF > Louisa County, VA USA > Elecraft K3s/100 > Carolina Windom up 45' > http://n4cf.mdodd.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:20:34 -0400 > From: Jock Irvine > To: Chris Del Plato KQ2RP > Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I have an old clarinet case I'm thinking about converting to a case for the > KX3. Where did you get the foam for your Pelican case and how do you cut > it? > > 73, > > Jock N1JI > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Chris Del Plato KQ2RP > wrote: > >> I use a Pelican Storm iM2050. Some photos here: >> >> >> http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/102637603515/space-savers-i-picked-up-a-pair-of-these-audio >> >> >> http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/122906632025/sota-w1gm-003-mount-equinox-vt-activation >> >> 72, >> Chris KQ2RP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jock.irvine at gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:07:52 -0700 > From: Bill Frantz > To: Grant Youngman > Cc: via Elecraft W1Pdi > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >> On 4/12/16 at 9:08 PM, nq5t at tx.rr.com (Grant Youngman) wrote: >> >> Rose Kopp makes an excellent storage and travel bag for the KX3 >> in a couple of different versions. Link is on the Elecraft website. >> >> ... >> It's a soft bag, so you can't reasonably stand on it, drop it >> off a cliff and expect it to survive, or fly with it as checked >> baggage etc., but at least it doesn't weigh more than what's >> inside it. > > I have one of Rose's lovely bags which I will be flying with for > the first time later this month. I plan to put into my suitcase, > which is what I did with the Pelican case I used before. If any > disasters occur, I'll let you all know. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the > 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by > www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 19:00:41 -0400 > From: "Charlie T, K3ICH" > To: > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case > Message-ID: <011201d195d8$51f79670$f5e6c350$@erols.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Be very careful......Those old musical instrument cases are likely to be > haunted by the ghost of the instrument it held. > The instrument, if not current IN the case will drive you nutz if it finds > that you're using for something else. > By the way Clarinets are the absolute WORST for this phenomenon. > You'll hear those spooky tweets in the middle of the night until the two are > re-united. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jock > Irvine > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 4:21 PM > To: Chris Del Plato KQ2RP > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case > > I have an old clarinet case I'm thinking about converting to a case for the > KX3. Where did you get the foam for your Pelican case and how do you cut > it? > > 73, > > Jock N1JI > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Chris Del Plato KQ2RP > wrote: > >> I use a Pelican Storm iM2050. Some photos here: >> >> >> http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/102637603515/space-savers-i-picked-up-a-p >> air-of-these-audio >> >> >> http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/122906632025/sota-w1gm-003-mount-equinox- >> vt-activation >> >> 72, >> Chris KQ2RP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> jock.irvine at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to pincon at erols.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:13:37 -0700 > From: Walter Underwood > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Dang! That is where the birdies come from. I?ve been blaming the U-Verse router all this time, and it was the clarinet case. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Apr 13, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >> >> Be very careful......Those old musical instrument cases are likely to be >> haunted by the ghost of the instrument it held. >> The instrument, if not current IN the case will drive you nutz if it finds >> that you're using for something else. >> By the way Clarinets are the absolute WORST for this phenomenon. >> You'll hear those spooky tweets in the middle of the night until the two are >> re-united. >> >> 73, Charlie k3ICH >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jock >> Irvine >> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 4:21 PM >> To: Chris Del Plato KQ2RP >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case >> >> I have an old clarinet case I'm thinking about converting to a case for the >> KX3. Where did you get the foam for your Pelican case and how do you cut >> it? >> >> 73, >> >> Jock N1JI >> >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Chris Del Plato KQ2RP >> wrote: >> >>> I use a Pelican Storm iM2050. Some photos here: >>> >>> >>> http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/102637603515/space-savers-i-picked-up-a-p >>> air-of-these-audio >>> >>> >>> http://kq2rp.tumblr.com/post/122906632025/sota-w1gm-003-mount-equinox- >>> vt-activation >>> >>> 72, >>> Chris KQ2RP >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> jock.irvine at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >> delivered to pincon at erols.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 21:56:45 -0500 > From: Scott Ellington > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] KX-1 Paddle (KXPD1) > Message-ID: <570F06ED.7080000 at sdellington.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I found it very hard to get the screw tight enough that the paddle > didn't wobble, on two different KX-1's. Because of the position of the > key jack on the PC board, the hole in the paddle didn't line up with the > tapped hole in the case. (This was in the left-handed position; I > didn't check the other one.) I carefully drilled out the paddle from > the KX-1 side, taking care not to drill into the threaded part that > keeps the screw from falling out. (Drill the paddle, NOT the KX-1 > case!) Then I cut a slot in the top of the screw for screwdriver. A > tiny drop of oil on the screw threads, and it works great. > > 73, > > Scott K9MA > > -- > Scott Ellington K9MA > Madison, Wisconsin, USA > > k9ma at sdellington.us > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:04:50 -0700 > From: Wayne Burdick > To: Elecraft Reflector > Cc: "elecraft at yahoogroups.com" , > "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" > Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S > and K3 Transceivers > Message-ID: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE at elecraft.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi all, > > We've had many requests for a small control panel (or pod) as an extension to the K3 and K3S transceivers. We finally got around to it! > > Our new K-Pod is a very compact unit, featuring a precision tuning knob, VFO A/B/offset rocker switch, and 8 programmable tactile-feedback switches. Switch feedback is provided by activation messages on the radio's LCD, as well as the pod's own 4 indicator LEDs and audio tone generator. This multi-modal information can help maximize operating efficiency and reduce fatigue during extended operating periods. > > Typically the K-Pod would be placed next to a computer keyboard, allowing the operator to quickly QSY, clear RIT, enter diversity mode, change menu settings, etc., without that long stretch to reach the radio's front panel. > > But the K-Pod's flexible interface goes beyond substitution of the radio's knobs and switches. In effect, you can design your own customized controls for the radio. > > Each of the 8 programmable switches has tap and hold functions. When a switch function is used, it activates one of up to 16 user-defined command sequences that are actually stored in the radio itself, as macros. A single macro can accomplish many tasks at once, such as setting up custom splits, configuring the receiver or subreceiver for specific situations, sending transmit messages at differing code speeds, etc. Macros can be easily created or edited using K3 Utility, which runs on PC, Mac, or Linux platforms. > > The K-Pod has the following features: > > * high-quality weighted, soft-touch tuning knob--same as used on the K3S > * same 400-count, ball-bearing optical encoder used in the K3 and K3S > * adjustable knob friction > * 3-position rocker switch to assign the knob to VFO A, VFO B, or RIT/XIT > * 8 programmable function switches, each with tap/hold functions > * simple switch programming using K3 Utility (many examples in K-Pod manual) > * four user-definable LEDs (three of them show knob assignment by default) > * audio tone generator for switch feedback (can be easily turned off) > * USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control applications > * simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack beneath the front panel > * flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel jack, > USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio modification > (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data and power) > * 3 utility outputs for miscellaneous equipment control applications > (outputs provide a low resistance to ground when turned on, usable with relays, etc.) > > The K-Pod's all-steel enclosure weighs a full pound for excellent stability, yet measures only about 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches. A highly stable folding tilt stand is included to angle the panel for optimal access. There's also a 2-hole RAM mount pattern on the bottom for easy attachment to any surface. > > For photos and further information, please visit our K-Pod web page: > > http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm > > 73, > Wayne, N6KR > Eric, WA6HHQ > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 03:21:15 +0000 (UTC) > From: M Cresap > To: Wayne Burdick , Elecraft Reflector > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for > K3S and K3 Transceivers > Message-ID: > <1631392426.275086.1460604075913.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi Wayne > Will the K-pod work with the K3-0? > 73, Mike, W3IP > > From: Wayne Burdick > To: Elecraft Reflector > Cc: "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" ; "elecraft at yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 11:04 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers > > Hi all, > > We've had many requests for a small control panel (or pod) as an extension to the K3 and K3S transceivers. We finally got around to it! > > Our new K-Pod is a very compact unit, featuring a precision tuning knob, VFO A/B/offset rocker switch, and 8 programmable tactile-feedback switches. Switch feedback is provided by activation messages on the radio's LCD, as well as the pod's own 4 indicator LEDs and audio tone generator. This multi-modal information can help maximize operating efficiency and reduce fatigue during extended operating periods. > > Typically the K-Pod would be placed next to a computer keyboard, allowing the operator to quickly QSY, clear RIT, enter diversity mode, change menu settings, etc., without that long stretch to reach the radio's front panel. > > But the K-Pod's flexible interface goes beyond substitution of the radio's knobs and switches. In effect, you can design your own customized controls for the radio. > > Each of the 8 programmable switches has tap and hold functions. When a switch function is used, it activates one of up to 16 user-defined command sequences that are actually stored in the radio itself, as macros. A single macro can accomplish many tasks at once, such as setting up custom splits, configuring the receiver or subreceiver for specific situations, sending transmit messages at differing code speeds, etc. Macros can be easily created or edited using K3 Utility, which runs on PC, Mac, or Linux platforms. > > The K-Pod has the following features: > > * high-quality weighted, soft-touch tuning knob--same as used on the K3S > * same 400-count, ball-bearing optical encoder used in the K3 and K3S > * adjustable knob friction > * 3-position rocker switch to assign the knob to VFO A, VFO B, or RIT/XIT > * 8 programmable function switches, each with tap/hold functions > * simple switch programming using K3 Utility (many examples in K-Pod manual) > * four user-definable LEDs (three of them show knob assignment by default) > * audio tone generator for switch feedback (can be easily turned off) > * USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control applications > * simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack beneath the front panel > * flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel jack, > ? USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio modification > ? (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data and power) > * 3 utility outputs for miscellaneous equipment control applications > ? (outputs provide a low resistance to ground when turned on, usable with relays, etc.) > > The K-Pod's all-steel enclosure weighs a full pound for excellent stability, yet measures only about 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches. A highly stable folding tilt stand is included to angle the panel for optimal access. There's also a 2-hole RAM mount pattern on the bottom for easy attachment to any surface. > > For photos and further information, please visit our K-Pod web page: > > ? http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm > > 73, > Wayne, N6KR > Eric, WA6HHQ > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m.cresap at yahoo.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:35:02 -0700 > From: Wayne Burdick > To: M Cresap > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for > K3S and K3 Transceivers > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Short answer: yes. We have a bit more firmware to write, but this is the plan. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > >> On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:21 PM, M Cresap wrote: >> >> Hi Wayne >> >> Will the K-pod work with the K3-0? >> >> 73, Mike, W3IP >> >> >> From: Wayne Burdick >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Cc: "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" ; "elecraft at yahoogroups.com" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 11:04 PM >> Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers >> >> Hi all, >> >> We've had many requests for a small control panel (or pod) as an extension to the K3 and K3S transceivers. We finally got around to it! >> >> Our new K-Pod is a very compact unit, featuring a precision tuning knob, VFO A/B/offset rocker switch, and 8 programmable tactile-feedback switches. Switch feedback is provided by activation messages on the radio's LCD, as well as the pod's own 4 indicator LEDs and audio tone generator. This multi-modal information can help maximize operating efficiency and reduce fatigue during extended operating periods. >> >> Typically the K-Pod would be placed next to a computer keyboard, allowing the operator to quickly QSY, clear RIT, enter diversity mode, change menu settings, etc., without that long stretch to reach the radio's front panel. >> >> But the K-Pod's flexible interface goes beyond substitution of the radio's knobs and switches. In effect, you can design your own customized controls for the radio. >> >> Each of the 8 programmable switches has tap and hold functions. When a switch function is used, it activates one of up to 16 user-defined command sequences that are actually stored in the radio itself, as macros. A single macro can accomplish many tasks at once, such as setting up custom splits, configuring the receiver or subreceiver for specific situations, sending transmit messages at differing code speeds, etc. Macros can be easily created or edited using K3 Utility, which runs on PC, Mac, or Linux platforms. >> >> The K-Pod has the following features: >> >> * high-quality weighted, soft-touch tuning knob--same as used on the K3S >> * same 400-count, ball-bearing optical encoder used in the K3 and K3S >> * adjustable knob friction >> * 3-position rocker switch to assign the knob to VFO A, VFO B, or RIT/XIT >> * 8 programmable function switches, each with tap/hold functions >> * simple switch programming using K3 Utility (many examples in K-Pod manual) >> * four user-definable LEDs (three of them show knob assignment by default) >> * audio tone generator for switch feedback (can be easily turned off) >> * USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control applications >> * simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack beneath the front panel >> * flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel jack, >> USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio modification >> (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data and power) >> * 3 utility outputs for miscellaneous equipment control applications >> (outputs provide a low resistance to ground when turned on, usable with relays, etc.) >> >> The K-Pod's all-steel enclosure weighs a full pound for excellent stability, yet measures only about 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches. A highly stable folding tilt stand is included to angle the panel for optimal access. There's also a 2-hole RAM mount pattern on the bottom for easy attachment to any surface. >> >> For photos and further information, please visit our K-Pod web page: >> >> http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm >> >> 73, >> Wayne, N6KR >> Eric, WA6HHQ >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to m.cresap at yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:51:30 -0700 > From: Dave Cole > To: Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com, Elecraft Reflector > > Cc: "elecraft at yahoogroups.com" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod > Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers > Message-ID: <1460605890.31718.43.camel at nk7z.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > What a cool accessory Wayne! ?Nice work!! > -- > 73's, and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) > > For software/hardware reviews see: > http://www.nk7z.net > > For MixW support see: > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > > For SSTV help see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > On Wed, 2016-04-13 at 20:04 -0700, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com > [Elecraft_K3] wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> We've had many requests for a small control panel (or pod) as an >> extension to the K3 and K3S transceivers. We finally got around to >> it!? >> >> Our new K-Pod is a very compact unit, featuring a precision tuning >> knob, VFO A/B/offset rocker switch, and 8 programmable tactile- >> feedback switches. Switch feedback is provided by activation messages >> on the radio's LCD, as well as the pod's own 4 indicator LEDs and >> audio tone generator. This multi-modal information can help maximize >> operating efficiency and reduce fatigue during extended operating >> periods. >> >> Typically the K-Pod would be placed next to a computer keyboard, >> allowing the operator to quickly QSY, clear RIT, enter diversity >> mode, change menu settings, etc., without that long stretch to reach >> the radio's front panel.? >> >> But the K-Pod's flexible interface goes beyond substitution of the >> radio's knobs and switches. In effect, you can design your own >> customized controls for the radio. >> >> Each of the 8 programmable switches has tap and hold functions. When >> a switch function is used, it activates one of up to 16 user-defined >> command sequences that are actually stored in the radio itself, as >> macros. A single macro can accomplish many tasks at once, such as >> setting up custom splits, configuring the receiver or subreceiver for >> specific situations, sending transmit messages at differing code >> speeds, etc. Macros can be easily created or edited using K3 Utility, >> which runs on PC, Mac, or Linux platforms. >> >> The K-Pod has the following features: >> >> * high-quality weighted, soft-touch tuning knob--same as used on the >> K3S >> * same 400-count, ball-bearing optical encoder used in the K3 and K3S >> * adjustable knob friction >> * 3-position rocker switch to assign the knob to VFO A, VFO B, or >> RIT/XIT >> * 8 programmable function switches, each with tap/hold functions >> * simple switch programming using K3 Utility (many examples in K-Pod >> manual) >> * four user-definable LEDs (three of them show knob assignment by >> default) >> * audio tone generator for switch feedback (can be easily turned off) >> * USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control >> applications >> * simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack >> beneath the front panel >> * flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel >> jack,? >> USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio >> modification >> (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data >> and power) >> * 3 utility outputs for miscellaneous equipment control applications? >> (outputs provide a low resistance to ground when turned on, usable >> with relays, etc.) >> >> The K-Pod's all-steel enclosure weighs a full pound for excellent >> stability, yet measures only about 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches. A highly >> stable folding tilt stand is included to angle the panel for optimal >> access. There's also a 2-hole RAM mount pattern on the bottom for >> easy attachment to any surface. >> >> For photos and further information, please visit our K-Pod web page: >> >> http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm >> >> 73, >> Wayne, N6KR >> Eric, WA6HHQ >> >> __._,_.___ >> Posted by: Wayne Burdick >> ?Reply via web post??????????????????????? ? ?Reply to >> sender???????????? ? ?Reply to group???????????? >> ? ?Start a New Topic??????????? ? ?Messages in >> this topic (1)??????????????????????? >> VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 8 >> ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use? >> . >> ? >> >> __,_._,___ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 21:27:56 -0700 > From: Wayne Burdick > To: dave at nk7z.net > Cc: Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com, Elecraft Reflector > , "elecraft at yahoogroups.com" > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod > Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers > Message-ID: <0E51372A-A0FD-4FB3-9F05-4C4646A7D599 at elecraft.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >> On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Dave Cole wrote: >> >> What a cool accessory Wayne! Nice work!! >> -- >> 73's, and thanks, >> Dave (NK7Z) > > > Thanks, Dave. We had lots of input from our long-standing K-Line focus group. They pretty much got everything they wanted. I could write a novella about the rocker-switch debate ;) > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 21:50:16 -0700 > From: Wayne Burdick > To: Elecraft Reflector > Cc: "elecraft at yahoogroups.com" , > "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" > Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod hands-on test opportunity; request for K-Pod > application ideas > Message-ID: <812CA5CC-1DA1-4974-A9E7-C8D609FB7B75 at elecraft.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > If you're planning to go to the Visalia DX convention this weekend (dxconvention.org), please drop by our booth and give the K-Pod a test drive. > > We're very interested in hearing about your potential uses for the K-Pod, including proposed macros (command sequences). Some of these might make great examples for the owner's manual. In the future, we'll also support general-purpose USB functionality involving additional equipment types. All ideas and opinions welcome. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 14:51:32 +1000 > From: Gary > To: Wayne Burdick , > Cc: Elecraft Reflector , > , "elecraft at yahoogroups.com" > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod > ControlPanel for K3S and K3 Transceivers > Message-ID: <570f21d7.8a44620a.4beb2.ffffe155 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Simply brilliant Wayne, it sure has that wow factor. > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Wayne Burdick" > Sent: ?14/?04/?2016 2:50 PM > To: "dave at nk7z.net" > Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" ; "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" ; "elecraft at yahoogroups.com" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod ControlPanel for K3S and K3 Transceivers > > >> On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Dave Cole wrote: >> >> What a cool accessory Wayne! Nice work!! >> -- >> 73's, and thanks, >> Dave (NK7Z) > > > Thanks, Dave. We had lots of input from our long-standing K-Line focus group. They pretty much got everything they wanted. I could write a novella about the rocker-switch debate ;) > > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 07:49:44 -0400 > From: Bill > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for > K3S and K3 Transceivers > Message-ID: <570F83D8.2070403 at nycap.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > This is right up there with sliced bread. Gets control of the K3 to the > edge of the desk - no longer have to reach across the desk. > > Come on June 15th!!! > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 14:08:00 +0200 > From: Arie Kleingeld PA3A > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for > K3S and K3 Transceivers > Message-ID: <570F8820.9000007 at xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > K-pod: > > Interesting feature. Could be the first part to connect to the K4. > > 73 > Arie PA3A > > --- > Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:09:45 -0400 > From: Irwin Darack > To: Wayne Burdick > Cc: Elecraft Reflector , > "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" , > "elecraft at yahoogroups.com" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for > K3S and K3 Transceivers > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Wayne, > > Can you use the K-Pod function keys to key the CW, RTTY & DVK SSB memories > stored in the K3S? > > Thanks, Irwin KD3TB > >> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> We've had many requests for a small control panel (or pod) as an extension >> to the K3 and K3S transceivers. We finally got around to it! >> >> Our new K-Pod is a very compact unit, featuring a precision tuning knob, >> VFO A/B/offset rocker switch, and 8 programmable tactile-feedback switches. >> Switch feedback is provided by activation messages on the radio's LCD, as >> well as the pod's own 4 indicator LEDs and audio tone generator. This >> multi-modal information can help maximize operating efficiency and reduce >> fatigue during extended operating periods. >> >> Typically the K-Pod would be placed next to a computer keyboard, allowing >> the operator to quickly QSY, clear RIT, enter diversity mode, change menu >> settings, etc., without that long stretch to reach the radio's front panel. >> >> But the K-Pod's flexible interface goes beyond substitution of the radio's >> knobs and switches. In effect, you can design your own customized controls >> for the radio. >> >> Each of the 8 programmable switches has tap and hold functions. When a >> switch function is used, it activates one of up to 16 user-defined command >> sequences that are actually stored in the radio itself, as macros. A single >> macro can accomplish many tasks at once, such as setting up custom splits, >> configuring the receiver or subreceiver for specific situations, sending >> transmit messages at differing code speeds, etc. Macros can be easily >> created or edited using K3 Utility, which runs on PC, Mac, or Linux >> platforms. >> >> The K-Pod has the following features: >> >> * high-quality weighted, soft-touch tuning knob--same as used on the K3S >> * same 400-count, ball-bearing optical encoder used in the K3 and K3S >> * adjustable knob friction >> * 3-position rocker switch to assign the knob to VFO A, VFO B, or RIT/XIT >> * 8 programmable function switches, each with tap/hold functions >> * simple switch programming using K3 Utility (many examples in K-Pod >> manual) >> * four user-definable LEDs (three of them show knob assignment by default) >> * audio tone generator for switch feedback (can be easily turned off) >> * USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control >> applications >> * simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack beneath the >> front panel >> * flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel jack, >> USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio >> modification >> (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data and >> power) >> * 3 utility outputs for miscellaneous equipment control applications >> (outputs provide a low resistance to ground when turned on, usable with >> relays, etc.) >> >> The K-Pod's all-steel enclosure weighs a full pound for excellent >> stability, yet measures only about 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches. A highly stable >> folding tilt stand is included to angle the panel for optimal access. >> There's also a 2-hole RAM mount pattern on the bottom for easy attachment >> to any surface. >> >> For photos and further information, please visit our K-Pod web page: >> >> http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm >> >> 73, >> Wayne, N6KR >> Eric, WA6HHQ >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to idarack at gmail.com > > > -- > Irwin KD3TB > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 05:10:32 -0700 (MST) > From: Barry > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for > K3S and K3 Transceivers > Message-ID: <1460635832857-7616305.post at n2.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Is this the forerunner to the K-Watch? :-) > > Barry W2UP > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-Elecraft-Product-K-Pod-Control-Panel-for-K3S-and-K3-Transceivers-tp7616296p7616305.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 26 > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:21:05 -0000 > From: "Doug Turnbull" > To: "'Wayne Burdick'" , "'M Cresap'" > > Cc: "'Elecraft Reflector'" , "Hugh Bradley > EI9GZB" , "Alain Esquirol F8FUA" > , "Brendan Minish" , > "Kevin T A McCarthy" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for > K3Sand K3 Transceivers > Message-ID: <7F50AD2624F0446793FCA90BE5BCFF51 at DougTPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear OM Wayne, > Thank you for producing a control pod! It is one accessory I have > wanted since first purchasing a K3. The Orion II had a more basic version > of what you are about to produce. > > For me the most important function is the ability to access the eight > messages stored CW and Voice memory. No longer do I have to pose my finger > over M2 button blocking the view of the P3 and most of the other switches. > This was always uncomfortable. As my aunt use to say you are a brick; > this is a complement. > > Some people may now sit back in their Lazy-Boy reclining chairs > listening to the mail. Life is good and Elecraft is dedicating itself to > real improvements in its product line. I do not need a K4; Elecraft meets > all my needs as is. Mucho gracias my friends in Elecraft. Plan for a > good production run; I am ordering two. Life is good! > > &3 Doug EI2CN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne > Burdick > Sent: 14 April 2016 03:35 > To: M Cresap > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3Sand > K3 Transceivers > > Short answer: yes. We have a bit more firmware to write, but this is the > plan. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > >> On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:21 PM, M Cresap wrote: >> >> Hi Wayne >> >> Will the K-pod work with the K3-0? >> >> 73, Mike, W3IP >> >> >> From: Wayne Burdick >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Cc: "Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com" ; > "elecraft at yahoogroups.com" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 11:04 PM >> Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and > K3 Transceivers >> >> Hi all, >> >> We've had many requests for a small control panel (or pod) as an extension > to the K3 and K3S transceivers. We finally got around to it! >> >> Our new K-Pod is a very compact unit, featuring a precision tuning knob, > VFO A/B/offset rocker switch, and 8 programmable tactile-feedback switches. > Switch feedback is provided by activation messages on the radio's LCD, as > well as the pod's own 4 indicator LEDs and audio tone generator. This > multi-modal information can help maximize operating efficiency and reduce > fatigue during extended operating periods. >> >> Typically the K-Pod would be placed next to a computer keyboard, allowing > the operator to quickly QSY, clear RIT, enter diversity mode, change menu > settings, etc., without that long stretch to reach the radio's front panel. >> >> But the K-Pod's flexible interface goes beyond substitution of the radio's > knobs and switches. In effect, you can design your own customized controls > for the radio. >> >> Each of the 8 programmable switches has tap and hold functions. When a > switch function is used, it activates one of up to 16 user-defined command > sequences that are actually stored in the radio itself, as macros. A single > macro can accomplish many tasks at once, such as setting up custom splits, > configuring the receiver or subreceiver for specific situations, sending > transmit messages at differing code speeds, etc. Macros can be easily > created or edited using K3 Utility, which runs on PC, Mac, or Linux > platforms. >> >> The K-Pod has the following features: >> >> * high-quality weighted, soft-touch tuning knob--same as used on the K3S >> * same 400-count, ball-bearing optical encoder used in the K3 and K3S >> * adjustable knob friction >> * 3-position rocker switch to assign the knob to VFO A, VFO B, or RIT/XIT >> * 8 programmable function switches, each with tap/hold functions >> * simple switch programming using K3 Utility (many examples in K-Pod > manual) >> * four user-definable LEDs (three of them show knob assignment by default) >> * audio tone generator for switch feedback (can be easily turned off) >> * USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control > applications >> * simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack beneath the > front panel >> * flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel jack, >> USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio > modification >> (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data and > power) >> * 3 utility outputs for miscellaneous equipment control applications >> (outputs provide a low resistance to ground when turned on, usable with > relays, etc.) >> >> The K-Pod's all-steel enclosure weighs a full pound for excellent > stability, yet measures only about 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches. A highly stable > folding tilt stand is included to angle the panel for optimal access. > There's also a 2-hole RAM mount pattern on the bottom for easy attachment to > any surface. >> >> For photos and further information, please visit our K-Pod web page: >> >> http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm >> >> 73, >> Wayne, N6KR >> Eric, WA6HHQ >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to m.cresap at yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 27 > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 15:26:08 +0300 > From: Martin Sole > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for > K3S and K3 Transceivers > Message-ID: <570F8C60.3010000 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > It looks a bit heavy! > I'll wait for the K-Pod air! > > > Martin, HS0ZED > > >> On 14/04/2016 15:10, Barry wrote: >> Is this the forerunner to the K-Watch? :-) >> >> Barry W2UP >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-Elecraft-Product-K-Pod-Control-Panel-for-K3S-and-K3-Transceivers-tp7616296p7616305.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to hs0zed at gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > You must be a subscriber to post. > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > ------------------------------ > > End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 144, Issue 20 > ***************************************** From k5oai.sam at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 10:23:44 2016 From: k5oai.sam at gmail.com (Sam Morgan) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:23:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Correction Re: K3 heat problem? Message-ID: <570FA7F0.2030901@gmail.com> sorry, fat fingers, I am running the K3 @ 13.8v not 12.8v On 4/14/2016 8:47 AM, Sam Morgan wrote: > This is after just listening, not transmitting. If I place my hand on > the right side, near the front of my K3, (where the screw is for the > heat sink), it's very warm. One of those infrared thermometers says 106 > degrees F. Is this normal? I am running the K3 on 12.8v > > TIA -- GB & 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan John 3:16 Ephesians 2:8-9 1 Peter 2:24 Acts 2:38 From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 14 10:39:59 2016 From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (KD6QZX) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 07:39:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case In-Reply-To: <9A8C7515-DB37-4324-B712-FC51155ED94E@aol.com> References: <9A8C7515-DB37-4324-B712-FC51155ED94E@aol.com> Message-ID: <590506765.418031.1460644579461.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> look at my web page GEMS Home Page | ? | | ? | | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | | GEMS Home PageI am Scott AK6Q. Thissite is about my original and innovative SIDE KX accessories for yourElecraftKX3 radio,? the PX3 Panadaptor and now the K-Line! | | | | View on www.gemsproducts... | Preview by Yahoo | | | | ? | On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 8:04 PM, Elecraft mailing list [via Elecraft] wrote: Any recommendations on a carry case for a KX3 that would have space for accessories i.e. Connectors, mic etc.. Also to serve as a storage case when the KX3 isn't in use. 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From scott.manthe at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 10:52:16 2016 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 10:52:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <570FAEA0.5000401@gmail.com> Good job, Wayne! I'd love to see a K3S-style bezel for the K3. It's a small thing, but the new bezel looks a lot nicer than the K3's plexiglass version. I'd even pay $50... :) 73, Scott N9AA On 4/13/16 11:04 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi all, > > We've had many requests for a small control panel (or pod) as an extension to the K3 and K3S transceivers. We finally got around to it! > > Our new K-Pod is a very compact unit, featuring a precision tuning knob, VFO A/B/offset rocker switch, and 8 programmable tactile-feedback switches. Switch feedback is provided by activation messages on the radio's LCD, as well as the pod's own 4 indicator LEDs and audio tone generator. This multi-modal information can help maximize operating efficiency and reduce fatigue during extended operating periods. > > Typically the K-Pod would be placed next to a computer keyboard, allowing the operator to quickly QSY, clear RIT, enter diversity mode, change menu settings, etc., without that long stretch to reach the radio's front panel. > > But the K-Pod's flexible interface goes beyond substitution of the radio's knobs and switches. In effect, you can design your own customized controls for the radio. > > Each of the 8 programmable switches has tap and hold functions. When a switch function is used, it activates one of up to 16 user-defined command sequences that are actually stored in the radio itself, as macros. A single macro can accomplish many tasks at once, such as setting up custom splits, configuring the receiver or subreceiver for specific situations, sending transmit messages at differing code speeds, etc. Macros can be easily created or edited using K3 Utility, which runs on PC, Mac, or Linux platforms. > > The K-Pod has the following features: > > * high-quality weighted, soft-touch tuning knob--same as used on the K3S > * same 400-count, ball-bearing optical encoder used in the K3 and K3S > * adjustable knob friction > * 3-position rocker switch to assign the knob to VFO A, VFO B, or RIT/XIT > * 8 programmable function switches, each with tap/hold functions > * simple switch programming using K3 Utility (many examples in K-Pod manual) > * four user-definable LEDs (three of them show knob assignment by default) > * audio tone generator for switch feedback (can be easily turned off) > * USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control applications > * simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack beneath the front panel > * flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel jack, > USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio modification > (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data and power) > * 3 utility outputs for miscellaneous equipment control applications > (outputs provide a low resistance to ground when turned on, usable with relays, etc.) > > The K-Pod's all-steel enclosure weighs a full pound for excellent stability, yet measures only about 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches. A highly stable folding tilt stand is included to angle the panel for optimal access. There's also a 2-hole RAM mount pattern on the bottom for easy attachment to any surface. > > For photos and further information, please visit our K-Pod web page: > > http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm > > 73, > Wayne, N6KR > Eric, WA6HHQ > > > > > From pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl Thu Apr 14 10:53:38 2016 From: pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl (William Lagerberg) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:53:38 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hi Wayne, Sound?s good to me, but with a wire connected to K3 or K3S wasn?t there a possibility to make a small bluetooth module into K3 and K3S then there would?t have been a possibility to do it wireless? Next to that, you probably would have the possibility to connect other devices to ?? I am not a programmer, so perhaps it is program technical not possible, but i think that would have been very nice perhaps better?. Then you can put it where you like on your desk. My little attribute on this subject, William PE1BSB. > On 14 Apr 2016, at 05:04, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi all, > > We've had many requests for a small control panel (or pod) as an extension to the K3 and K3S transceivers. We finally got around to it! > > Our new K-Pod is a very compact unit, featuring a precision tuning knob, VFO A/B/offset rocker switch, and 8 programmable tactile-feedback switches. Switch feedback is provided by activation messages on the radio's LCD, as well as the pod's own 4 indicator LEDs and audio tone generator. This multi-modal information can help maximize operating efficiency and reduce fatigue during extended operating periods. > > Typically the K-Pod would be placed next to a computer keyboard, allowing the operator to quickly QSY, clear RIT, enter diversity mode, change menu settings, etc., without that long stretch to reach the radio's front panel. > > But the K-Pod's flexible interface goes beyond substitution of the radio's knobs and switches. In effect, you can design your own customized controls for the radio. > > Each of the 8 programmable switches has tap and hold functions. When a switch function is used, it activates one of up to 16 user-defined command sequences that are actually stored in the radio itself, as macros. A single macro can accomplish many tasks at once, such as setting up custom splits, configuring the receiver or subreceiver for specific situations, sending transmit messages at differing code speeds, etc. Macros can be easily created or edited using K3 Utility, which runs on PC, Mac, or Linux platforms. > > The K-Pod has the following features: > > * high-quality weighted, soft-touch tuning knob--same as used on the K3S > * same 400-count, ball-bearing optical encoder used in the K3 and K3S > * adjustable knob friction > * 3-position rocker switch to assign the knob to VFO A, VFO B, or RIT/XIT > * 8 programmable function switches, each with tap/hold functions > * simple switch programming using K3 Utility (many examples in K-Pod manual) > * four user-definable LEDs (three of them show knob assignment by default) > * audio tone generator for switch feedback (can be easily turned off) > * USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control applications > * simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack beneath the front panel > * flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel jack, > USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio modification > (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data and power) > * 3 utility outputs for miscellaneous equipment control applications > (outputs provide a low resistance to ground when turned on, usable with relays, etc.) > > The K-Pod's all-steel enclosure weighs a full pound for excellent stability, yet measures only about 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches. A highly stable folding tilt stand is included to angle the panel for optimal access. There's also a 2-hole RAM mount pattern on the bottom for easy attachment to any surface. > > For photos and further information, please visit our K-Pod web page: > > http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm > > 73, > Wayne, N6KR > Eric, WA6HHQ > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl From brendon at whateley.com Thu Apr 14 11:06:21 2016 From: brendon at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:06:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod hands-on test opportunity; request for K-Pod application ideas In-Reply-To: <812CA5CC-1DA1-4974-A9E7-C8D609FB7B75@elecraft.com> References: <812CA5CC-1DA1-4974-A9E7-C8D609FB7B75@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Perhaps a silly question, or just too early? Will it be possible to repurpose this to use with other radios? It looks like it is designed for the K3(S) but I could see it being useful for my KX3, or possibly other home-brew radios? I suppose all that would be required would be the protocol specification so that a DIY micro-controller could do the translation to whatever would be needed. Thanks, - Brendon KK6AYI On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 9:50 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > If you're planning to go to the Visalia DX convention this weekend ( > dxconvention.org), please drop by our booth and give the K-Pod a test > drive. > > We're very interested in hearing about your potential uses for the K-Pod, > including proposed macros (command sequences). Some of these might make > great examples for the owner's manual. In the future, we'll also support > general-purpose USB functionality involving additional equipment types. All > ideas and opinions welcome. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brendon at whateley.com > From jimfinan at att.net Thu Apr 14 10:43:19 2016 From: jimfinan at att.net (Jim Finan) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 10:43:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <20160414132501.38265149B4A2@mailman.qth.net> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <20160414132501.38265149B4A2@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <20160414144319.5869650.50928.36239@att.net> Order in also.? Now to wait until June 15th...July...Aug... ;) interesting that the RJ-Jack question just came up again recently. Now the answer has changed. Jim?Finan AB4AC Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. ? Original Message ? From: Bill Steffey NY9H Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 9:25 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers ORDER IN as they say on "hawaii 50" SHIP IT WAYNO.........errr ah Danno.... guess I'll have to wait till Dayton to try out my new acquisition. bill H/3 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimfinan at att.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 11:48:41 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:48:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <1888748382.13223144.1460641374514.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <1888748382.13223144.1460641374514.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: mstangelo at comcast.net [Elecraft_K3] wrote: > Wayne, > > It look interesting. Can you explain the connections for data, power and firmware upgrades in detail: > > * USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control applications There will be a "K-Pod Utility" for firmware loading. Over time it will gain the ability to configure the K-Pod switches, LEDs, USB port, and general-purpose outputs in various ways. > * simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack beneath the front panel > * flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel jack, > USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio modification > (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data and power) > > It would be nice to have one connection to the radio. I guess this would be the 6-pin data cable. This is the idea. There will be a mod to power the pod through the data cable. Details pending. > Can I upgrade the firmware to the Pod via this connection from the RS-232 or USB port on the K3/K3S? As of now the plan is to use the USB port on the K-Pod for updating its firmware. Wayne N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 12:18:46 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:18:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3Sand K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <7F50AD2624F0446793FCA90BE5BCFF51@DougTPC> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com><1631392426.275086.1460604075913.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <7F50AD2624F0446793FCA90BE5BCFF51@DougTPC> Message-ID: On Apr 14, 2016, at 5:21 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > Dear OM Wayne, > Thank you for producing a control pod! It is one accessory I have > wanted since first purchasing a K3. The Orion II had a more basic version > of what you are about to produce. > > For me the most important function is the ability to access the eight > messages stored CW and Voice memory. No longer do I have to pose my finger > over M2 button blocking the view of the P3 and most of the other switches. > This was always uncomfortable. To do that, you'd simply use K3 Utility to set up any of macros 9-16 with the appropriate switch-emulation commands for the K3's M1-M4 tap/hold functions. These are described in the Programmer's Reference and will also be among the examples in the K-Pod owner's manual. Wayne N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 12:20:14 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:20:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: On Apr 14, 2016, at 7:53 AM, William Lagerberg wrote: > Hi Wayne, > > Sound?s good to me, but with a wire connected to K3 or K3S wasn?t there a possibility to make a small bluetooth module into K3 and K3S then there would?t have been a possibility to do it wireless? For now, this is left as an exercise for the reader :) Personally, I prefer the single cable from the pod to the radio, allowing the pod to be powered by the radio and eliminating the need for a battery or separate supply. Wayne N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 12:22:38 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:22:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <570F8C60.3010000@gmail.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <570F83D8.2070403@nycap.rr.com> <1460635832857-7616305.post@n2.nabble.com> <570F8C60.3010000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <864E16F8-B6A4-4155-9F5D-F8CCBBD9D3CF@elecraft.com> Has to be heavy to survive in K6XX's shack (Bob Wolbert, contester extraordinare and abuser of peripheral devices). As with a keyer paddle, you don't want it to move around when you use it. Wayne N6KR On Apr 14, 2016, at 5:26 AM, Martin Sole wrote: > It looks a bit heavy! > I'll wait for the K-Pod air! > > > Martin, HS0ZED From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 12:23:24 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:23:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <4AB9BA11-1E54-401B-8387-9587ECCA665C@elecraft.com> On Apr 14, 2016, at 5:09 AM, Irwin Darack idarack at gmail.com [elecraft] wrote: > > > Wayne, > > Can you use the K-Pod function keys to key the CW, RTTY & DVK SSB memories stored in the K3S? > > Thanks, Irwin KD3TB Yes. Wayne N6KR From w1ksz at earthlink.net Thu Apr 14 12:25:43 2016 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (W1KSZ) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:25:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <570FC487.9070300@earthlink.net> Wired accessories ?? In this day ?? I thought that went out with VHS Tape Decks. I much prefer wireless, the minor inconvenience of replacing a battery every few months far outweighs having a cable to deal with. Perhaps add it to the Product Improvement Program ? 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 4/14/2016 9:20 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > On Apr 14, 2016, at 7:53 AM, William Lagerberg wrote: > >> Hi Wayne, >> >> Sound?s good to me, but with a wire connected to K3 or K3S wasn?t there a possibility to make a small bluetooth module into K3 and K3S then there would?t have been a possibility to do it wireless? > For now, this is left as an exercise for the reader :) > > Personally, I prefer the single cable from the pod to the radio, allowing the pod to be powered by the radio and eliminating the need for a battery or separate supply. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 12:26:19 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:26:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod hands-on test opportunity; request for K-Pod application ideas In-Reply-To: References: <812CA5CC-1DA1-4974-A9E7-C8D609FB7B75@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <35044721-7273-409F-89CD-E53DFBC84EFC@elecraft.com> On Apr 14, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Brendon Whateley wrote: > Perhaps a silly question, or just too early? > > Will it be possible to repurpose this to use with other radios? It looks like it is designed for the K3(S) but I could see it being useful for my KX3, or possibly other home-brew radios? I suppose all that would be required would be the protocol specification so that a DIY micro-controller could do the translation to whatever would be needed. In theory you could use either the RJ12 data jack or the USB port for this with the right firmware and interfaces. That's what we were alluding to ("future applications"). Keep those ideas coming! Wayne N6KR From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Apr 14 12:27:45 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:27:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) Message-ID: <201604141627.u3EGRmec031241@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Charlie, Makes me smile. Some die-hard CW eme operator claim that JT65 operators are playing bag-pipes! Guess it goes with one's interpretation/experience 73, Ed - KL7UW HS Clarinet player From: "Charlie T, K3ICH" To: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Carrying Case Message-ID: <011201d195d8$51f79670$f5e6c350$@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Be very careful......Those old musical instrument cases are likely to be haunted by the ghost of the instrument it held. The instrument, if not current IN the case will drive you nutz if it finds that you're using for something else. By the way Clarinets are the absolute WORST for this phenomenon. You'll hear those spooky tweets in the middle of the night until the two are re-united. 73, Charlie k3ICH 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From mike at mdodd.com Thu Apr 14 12:33:52 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:33:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <570FC487.9070300@earthlink.net> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <570FC487.9070300@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <570FC670.5010604@mdodd.com> The K-Pod datasheet says, "A USB port is provided on the K-Pod for firmware updates and future station control uses." Does this mean I can connect the USB cable to my PC only when I want to upgrade the firmware using the K-Pod Utility? Or must the USB be always connected? Thanks, Wayne. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft K3s/100 Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 12:34:34 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:34:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <570FC487.9070300@earthlink.net> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <570FC487.9070300@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <464C9E6B-40BD-4874-A288-38C6B91278F3@elecraft.com> On Apr 14, 2016, at 9:25 AM, W1KSZ wrote: > Wired accessories ?? In this day ?? I thought that went out with > VHS Tape Decks. > > I much prefer wireless, the minor inconvenience of replacing a battery > every few months far outweighs having a cable to deal with. > > Perhaps add it to the Product Improvement Program ? Dick, The K-Pod uses an optical encoder with a ball-bearing drive to obtain both smooth, fast tuning and up to 400 counts per turn. The encoder consumes about 30 mA, and the rest of the K-Pod another 10-20 mA. A battery large enough to handle this for a good length of operating time won't fit inside the pod. 73, Wayne N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 12:41:24 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:41:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <570FC670.5010604@mdodd.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <570FC487.9070300@earthlink.net> <570FC670.5010604@mdodd.com> Message-ID: <3D72D930-7CBD-4F7C-85BA-72ADF3E5546B@elecraft.com> On Apr 14, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Mike Dodd wrote: > The K-Pod datasheet says, "A USB port is provided on the K-Pod for firmware updates and future station control uses." > > Does this mean I can connect the USB cable to my PC only when I want to upgrade the firmware using the K-Pod Utility? > > Or must the USB be always connected? You'd only need to connect the USB cable if you were using the K-Pod Utility app to update your pod's firmware or change its switch behavior. On the other hand, with future firmware (not committing to anything, yet!) the K-Pod should be able to emulate a mouse, keyboard, or some combination of these via its USB port. So you could use it as a general-purpose input device to control software applications. Wayne N6KR From n1al at sonic.net Thu Apr 14 12:45:00 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:45:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <1460635832857-7616305.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <570F83D8.2070403@nycap.rr.com> <1460635832857-7616305.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <570FC90C.6040301@sonic.net> I was agitating to call it the "K-NOB" but got voted down. :=) Alan N1AL On 04/14/2016 05:10 AM, Barry wrote: > Is this the forerunner to the K-Watch? :-) > > Barry W2UP > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-Elecraft-Product-K-Pod-Control-Panel-for-K3S-and-K3-Transceivers-tp7616296p7616305.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > From w5jv at hotmail.com Thu Apr 14 12:46:17 2016 From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:46:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod's USB Connection Message-ID: With the demand of devices asking for a USB connection growing, has the K-Pod been tested on a USB-Hub that is also connected to other devices such as a Signalink USB, a keyer, a computer, etc etc and is it smart enough to mind its own business? Thank you, Doug W5JV From kengkopp at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 12:48:24 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 10:48:24 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <570FC90C.6040301@sonic.net> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <570F83D8.2070403@nycap.rr.com> <1460635832857-7616305.post@n2.nabble.com> <570FC90C.6040301@sonic.net> Message-ID: K-NOB .... Super name, IMO! K0PP On Apr 14, 2016 10:45, "Alan Bloom" wrote: > I was agitating to call it the "K-NOB" but got voted down. :=) > > Alan N1AL > > > On 04/14/2016 05:10 AM, Barry wrote: > >> Is this the forerunner to the K-Watch? :-) >> >> Barry W2UP >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-Elecraft-Product-K-Pod-Control-Panel-for-K3S-and-K3-Transceivers-tp7616296p7616305.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From w6fvi at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 14 12:52:33 2016 From: w6fvi at sbcglobal.net (Brian & Cyndi) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:52:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod hands-on test opportunity; request for K-Pod application ideas In-Reply-To: <35044721-7273-409F-89CD-E53DFBC84EFC@elecraft.com> References: <812CA5CC-1DA1-4974-A9E7-C8D609FB7B75@elecraft.com> <35044721-7273-409F-89CD-E53DFBC84EFC@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <570FCAD1.5000301@sbcglobal.net> Ok, so how do I connect a K-Pod to my K3 (pre-S)? Brian, W6FVI On 4/14/2016 9:26 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > On Apr 14, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Brendon Whateley wrote: > >> Perhaps a silly question, or just too early? >> >> Will it be possible to repurpose this to use with other radios? It looks like it is designed for the K3(S) but I could see it being useful for my KX3, or possibly other home-brew radios? I suppose all that would be required would be the protocol specification so that a DIY micro-controller could do the translation to whatever would be needed. > In theory you could use either the RJ12 data jack or the USB port for this with the right firmware and interfaces. That's what we were alluding to ("future applications"). Keep those ideas coming! > > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6fvi at sbcglobal.net > From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Apr 14 13:38:45 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 10:38:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <1460605890.31718.43.camel@nk7z.net> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <1460605890.31718.43.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <570FD5A5.1090003@foothill.net> Is the K-Pod similar to my PigKnob? 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 4/13/2016 8:51 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > What a cool accessory Wayne! Nice work!! > From ab1dd at outlook.com Thu Apr 14 13:44:49 2016 From: ab1dd at outlook.com (Carl AB1DD) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 17:44:49 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <570FD5A5.1090003@foothill.net> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <1460605890.31718.43.camel@nk7z.net>,<570FD5A5.1090003@foothill.net> Message-ID: I would vote for "K Nob" My first thought when I saw the posting for the K Pod was someone was going to talk about a morning breakfast drink! Of course, I'm in the Green Mountain State. Carl AB1DD ________________________________________ From n1rm at arrl.net Thu Apr 14 13:50:23 2016 From: n1rm at arrl.net (Rick Miller - N1RM) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 10:50:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1460656223142-7616340.post@n2.nabble.com> Wayne: This looks slick. I sometimes use my K3 to control a remote station through RemoteRig controllers in K3 Twin mode. If I hook this to my local ("control") K3, will it work through the RRC setup to control the remote ("radio") K3? Given that it hooks into the front panel, it seems like it may. Rick - N1RM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-Elecraft-Product-K-Pod-Control-Panel-for-K3S-and-K3-Transceivers-tp7616296p7616340.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From htodd at twofifty.com Thu Apr 14 14:06:24 2016 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod vs Pigknob (was Re: [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers) In-Reply-To: <570FD5A5.1090003@foothill.net> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <1460605890.31718.43.camel@nk7z.net> <570FD5A5.1090003@foothill.net> Message-ID: That's what I thought. And as an added question, I still have to see if I can get my PigKnob to work with my K3 upgraded with the KIO3B + P3 with the CBLP3Y. I'd put it inline to the PC connection, I think. I keep forgetting to do that because I mostly used my PigKnob on CW and I'm busy doing JT9/JT65 lately. On Thu, 14 Apr 2016, Fred Jensen wrote: > Is the K-Pod similar to my PigKnob? > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 > - www.cqp.org > > On 4/13/2016 8:51 PM, Dave Cole wrote: >> What a cool accessory Wayne! Nice work!! >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to htodd at twofifty.com > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From wa6nhc at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 14:08:29 2016 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:08:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: K-Pod hands-on test opportunity; request for K-Pod application ideas In-Reply-To: <35044721-7273-409F-89CD-E53DFBC84EFC@elecraft.com> References: <812CA5CC-1DA1-4974-A9E7-C8D609FB7B75@elecraft.com> <35044721-7273-409F-89CD-E53DFBC84EFC@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <570FDC9D.4010104@gmail.com> So it's within the realm of possibilities that a device similar to the K-pod could be made using the RJ-45, with a sound card added, for full network access? That would simplify remote ops or allow a tablet to control or even more. If you can control the radio via that port, the K3/S is nearly at that point now. Rick wa6nhc On 4/14/2016 9:26 AM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [Elecraft_K3] wrote: > > > On Apr 14, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Brendon Whateley > wrote: > > > Perhaps a silly question, or just too early? > > > > Will it be possible to repurpose this to use with other radios? It > looks like it is designed for the K3(S) but I could see it being > useful for my KX3, or possibly other home-brew radios? I suppose all > that would be required would be the protocol specification so that a > DIY micro-controller could do the translation to whatever would be needed. > > In theory you could use either the RJ12 data jack or the USB port for > this with the right firmware and interfaces. That's what we were > alluding to ("future applications"). Keep those ideas coming! > > Wayne > N6KR > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Posted by: Wayne Burdick > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Reply via web post > > ? Reply to sender > > ? Reply to group > > ? Start a New Topic > > ? Messages in this topic > > (1) > > Visit Your Group > > > > * New Members > > 8 > > Yahoo! Groups > > > ? Privacy > ? > Unsubscribe > ? > Terms of Use > > . > > __,_._,___ From nwgarner at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 14:16:56 2016 From: nwgarner at gmail.com (Nick Garner) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:16:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod vs Pigknob (was Re: [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers) In-Reply-To: References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <1460605890.31718.43.camel@nk7z.net> <570FD5A5.1090003@foothill.net> Message-ID: The K-Pod has a vastly superior encoder and knob compared to the PigKnob. Using the same encoder as the K3 in the PigKnob wasn't economically feasible at the low quantities I deal with. There is a header on the board though for enterprising individuals who want to connect the K3 encoder (purchased from Elecraft) to the PigKnob. Hisashi, send an email over to support at pignology.net if you run into issues and I'll help you out. 73, Nick N3WG On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: > That's what I thought. > > And as an added question, I still have to see if I can get my PigKnob to > work with my K3 upgraded with the KIO3B + P3 with the CBLP3Y. I'd put it > inline to the PC connection, I think. > > I keep forgetting to do that because I mostly used my PigKnob on CW and > I'm busy doing JT9/JT65 lately. > > On Thu, 14 Apr 2016, Fred Jensen wrote: > > Is the K-Pod similar to my PigKnob? >> >> 73, >> >> Fred K6DGW >> - Northern California Contest Club >> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 >> - www.cqp.org >> >> On 4/13/2016 8:51 PM, Dave Cole wrote: >> >>> What a cool accessory Wayne! Nice work!! >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to htodd at twofifty.com >> >> > -- > Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com > BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nwgarner at gmail.com > From kk5na at kk5na.com Thu Apr 14 14:28:53 2016 From: kk5na at kk5na.com (kk5na) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:28:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <3D72D930-7CBD-4F7C-85BA-72ADF3E5546B@elecraft.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <570FC487.9070300@earthlink.net> <570FC670.5010604@mdodd.com> <3D72D930-7CBD-4F7C-85BA-72ADF3E5546B@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <570FE165.4060107@kk5na.com> So, it needs the control cable, a power cable and could possibly have a third cable for USB? Joe KK5NA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 4/14/2016 11:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > On Apr 14, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Mike Dodd wrote: > >> The K-Pod datasheet says, "A USB port is provided on the K-Pod for firmware updates and future station control uses." >> >> Does this mean I can connect the USB cable to my PC only when I want to upgrade the firmware using the K-Pod Utility? >> >> Or must the USB be always connected? > You'd only need to connect the USB cable if you were using the K-Pod Utility app to update your pod's firmware or change its switch behavior. > > On the other hand, with future firmware (not committing to anything, yet!) the K-Pod should be able to emulate a mouse, keyboard, or some combination of these via its USB port. So you could use it as a general-purpose input device to control software applications. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kk5na at kk5na.com > From edauer at law.du.edu Thu Apr 14 14:55:58 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 18:55:58 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Very nice addition to the lineup. Congrats to the team. I never thought I needed such a thing; but now I see that it is absolutely indispensable. Of course I?ll buy one. Having said that, and not at all meaning to be critical or ungrateful, I?d like to wonder aloud why we still need cables - and the K-pod will add two more to the unruly collection already hiding behind my desk, as I read what?s been printed so far. (Do I have that part right?) Computer hardware manufacturers pretty much gave up on inter-unit cabling long ago, thank goodness. Is there a reason why RF equipment couldn?t do the same? Please take this as a serious question, not a complaint. I?d be interested in knowing the technical challenges to making it happen. Ted, KN1CBR From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 14:14:25 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:14:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod hands-on test opportunity; request for K-Pod application ideas In-Reply-To: <570FCAD1.5000301@sbcglobal.net> References: <812CA5CC-1DA1-4974-A9E7-C8D609FB7B75@elecraft.com> <35044721-7273-409F-89CD-E53DFBC84EFC@elecraft.com> <570FCAD1.5000301@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Same way for either a K3 or K3S: Plug it into the RJ jack beneath the front panel. 73, Wayne N6KR On Apr 14, 2016, at 9:52 AM, Brian & Cyndi wrote: > Ok, so how do I connect a K-Pod to my K3 (pre-S)? > > Brian, W6FVI From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 14:27:31 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:27:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <570FD5A5.1090003@foothill.net> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <1460605890.31718.43.camel@nk7z.net> <570FD5A5.1090003@foothill.net> Message-ID: The two are quite different, Fred. Yours has the edge on price.... Other major differences: The K-Pod connects to the K3/K3S at the RJ jack beneath the front panel, so it doesn't tie up the rig's RS232 or USB ports. It can optionally be powered through this cable. The optical/ball-bearing encoder is 400 counts and uses the same weighted, soft-touch knob as the K3S. A rocker switch selects VFO A/B/OFFSET control. Function switches F1-F8 directly trigger up to 16 macros in the radio. There's a USB port, 4 programmable LEDs, and 3 general-purpose open-drain outputs. 73, Wayne N6KR On Apr 14, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Is the K-Pod similar to my PigKnob? > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 14:31:48 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:31:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <570FE165.4060107@kk5na.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <570FC487.9070300@earthlink.net> <570FC670.5010604@mdodd.com> <3D72D930-7CBD-4F7C-85BA-72ADF3E5546B@elecraft.com> <570FE165.4060107@kk5na.com> Message-ID: <230A9D74-39BE-4108-BFC3-9A0C9F0CF417@elecraft.com> At minimum, you need a data cable (to the RJ jack on beneath the rig's front panel). This cable can optionally supply power to the pod as well. Or you can use an external supply. The USB cable would only be needed when updating the firmware, and even that might be possible through the data cable. Wayne N6KR On Apr 14, 2016, at 11:28 AM, kk5na wrote: > So, it needs the control cable, a power cable and could possibly have a third cable for USB? > > Joe KK5NA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On 4/14/2016 11:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> On Apr 14, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Mike Dodd wrote: >> >>> The K-Pod datasheet says, "A USB port is provided on the K-Pod for firmware updates and future station control uses." >>> >>> Does this mean I can connect the USB cable to my PC only when I want to upgrade the firmware using the K-Pod Utility? >>> >>> Or must the USB be always connected? >> You'd only need to connect the USB cable if you were using the K-Pod Utility app to update your pod's firmware or change its switch behavior. >> >> On the other hand, with future firmware (not committing to anything, yet!) the K-Pod should be able to emulate a mouse, keyboard, or some combination of these via its USB port. So you could use it as a general-purpose input device to control software applications. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kk5na at kk5na.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 14:36:16 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:36:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: K-Pod hands-on test opportunity; request for K-Pod application ideas In-Reply-To: <570FDC9D.4010104@gmail.com> References: <812CA5CC-1DA1-4974-A9E7-C8D609FB7B75@elecraft.com> <35044721-7273-409F-89CD-E53DFBC84EFC@elecraft.com> <570FDC9D.4010104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3880108A-329A-4A8C-B2B0-1032144A6168@elecraft.com> On Apr 14, 2016, at 11:08 AM, "Rick WA6NHC wa6nhc at gmail.com [Elecraft_K3]" wrote: > So it's within the realm of possibilities that a device similar to the K-pod could be made using the RJ-45, with a sound card added, for full network access? No. The RJ12 jack on the K3/K3S front panel provides a nonstandard data interface that we use with the K-Pod and special firmware. The jack's other use is for loading firmware into the radio. Wayne N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 15:25:55 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:25:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D8F16BB-8506-4EDE-BF18-7979461372C0@elecraft.com> On Apr 14, 2016, at 11:55 AM, "Dauer, Edward" wrote: > > Very nice addition to the lineup. Congrats to the team. > > I never thought I needed such a thing; but now I see that it is absolutely > indispensable. Of course I?ll buy one. > > Having said that, and not at all meaning to be critical or ungrateful, I?d > like to wonder aloud why we still need cables - and the K-pod will add two > more to the unruly collection already hiding behind my desk, as I read > what?s been printed so far. (Do I have that part right?) Computer > hardware manufacturers pretty much gave up on inter-unit cabling long ago, > thank goodness. Is there a reason why RF equipment couldn?t do the same? > Please take this as a serious question, not a complaint. I?d be > interested in knowing the technical challenges to making it happen. Hi Ed, It can be just a single cable if you make the simple mod to the rig's front panel that provides power to the pod. Wifi or bluetooth would have added a lot to the cost, not to mention the requirement to put a battery in the pod. The optical encoder uses 30 mA so you'd end up charging it a lot -- by connecting a cable. Wayne N6KR From nelasat at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 15:29:09 2016 From: nelasat at yahoo.com (KV5J) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:29:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <230A9D74-39BE-4108-BFC3-9A0C9F0CF417@elecraft.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <570FC487.9070300@earthlink.net> <570FC670.5010604@mdodd.com> <3D72D930-7CBD-4F7C-85BA-72ADF3E5546B@elecraft.com> <570FE165.4060107@kk5na.com> <230A9D74-39BE-4108-BFC3-9A0C9F0CF417@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1460662149828-7616351.post@n2.nabble.com> It's a no for me. Too many wires now. I can't believe the difference in wires behind my SDR radio and my K3s. The K3s is a rats nest. Keith -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-Elecraft-Product-K-Pod-Control-Panel-for-K3S-and-K3-Transceivers-tp7616296p7616351.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at subich.com Thu Apr 14 15:29:26 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 15:29:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <230A9D74-39BE-4108-BFC3-9A0C9F0CF417@elecraft.com> References: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> <570FC487.9070300@earthlink.net> <570FC670.5010604@mdodd.com> <3D72D930-7CBD-4F7C-85BA-72ADF3E5546B@elecraft.com> <570FE165.4060107@kk5na.com> <230A9D74-39BE-4108-BFC3-9A0C9F0CF417@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <570FEF96.8060103@subich.com> On 4/14/2016 2:31 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > The USB cable would only be needed when updating the firmware, and > even that might be possible through the data cable. what about the other way around? Will it be possible to update the K3 and/or P3 through the K-Pod - perhaps even use the K-Pod as a USB interface for control of the K3? 73, ... Joe, W4TV From dave at w8fgu.com Thu Apr 14 15:39:51 2016 From: dave at w8fgu.com (Dave W8FGU) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:39:51 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <9EA331AC-A618-4942-B76E-40D80E4A0BCE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hey Wayne, As usual, an impressive product. Any chance we might be able to use the knob to emulate the QSY function on the P3 in the future? I would love to use that bigger knob to move the cursor on the P3. Maybe even set the markers as well. 73, Dave W8FGU On 4/13/2016 11:04:50 PM, "Wayne Burdick" wrote: >Hi all, > >We've had many requests for a small control panel (or pod) as an >extension to the K3 and K3S transceivers. We finally got around to it! > >Our new K-Pod is a very compact unit, featuring a precision tuning >knob, VFO A/B/offset rocker switch, and 8 programmable tactile-feedback >switches. Switch feedback is provided by activation messages on the >radio's LCD, as well as the pod's own 4 indicator LEDs and audio tone >generator. This multi-modal information can help maximize operating >efficiency and reduce fatigue during extended operating periods. > >Typically the K-Pod would be placed next to a computer keyboard, >allowing the operator to quickly QSY, clear RIT, enter diversity mode, >change menu settings, etc., without that long stretch to reach the >radio's front panel. > >But the K-Pod's flexible interface goes beyond substitution of the >radio's knobs and switches. In effect, you can design your own >customized controls for the radio. > >Each of the 8 programmable switches has tap and hold functions. When a >switch function is used, it activates one of up to 16 user-defined >command sequences that are actually stored in the radio itself, as >macros. A single macro can accomplish many tasks at once, such as >setting up custom splits, configuring the receiver or subreceiver for >specific situations, sending transmit messages at differing code >speeds, etc. Macros can be easily created or edited using K3 Utility, >which runs on PC, Mac, or Linux platforms. > >The K-Pod has the following features: > >* high-quality weighted, soft-touch tuning knob--same as used on the >K3S >* same 400-count, ball-bearing optical encoder used in the K3 and K3S >* adjustable knob friction >* 3-position rocker switch to assign the knob to VFO A, VFO B, or >RIT/XIT >* 8 programmable function switches, each with tap/hold functions >* simple switch programming using K3 Utility (many examples in K-Pod >manual) >* four user-definable LEDs (three of them show knob assignment by >default) >* audio tone generator for switch feedback (can be easily turned off) >* USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control >applications >* simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack beneath >the front panel >* flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel jack, > USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio >modification > (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data >and power) >* 3 utility outputs for miscellaneous equipment control applications > (outputs provide a low resistance to ground when turned on, usable >with relays, etc.) > >The K-Pod's all-steel enclosure weighs a full pound for excellent >stability, yet measures only about 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches. A highly stable >folding tilt stand is included to angle the panel for optimal access. >There's also a 2-hole RAM mount pattern on the bottom for easy >attachment to any surface. > >For photos and further information, please visit our K-Pod web page: > > http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm > >73, >Wayne, N6KR >Eric, WA6HHQ > > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to dave at w8fgu.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Apr 14 15:40:38 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:40:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I see this device as a fix for one if the biggest issues I have trying to rise to the top of a DX pileup while running split -- hitting the VFO A or RIT/XIT knob and losing the DX. I currently solve that problem by locking VFO A, but this means that fine adjustments of tuning for him take a couple of extra steps. It also means that VFO A is locked on different bands if I decide to see what else is on while I wait for the pileup to die down or propagation to improve. It looks like the switch on the K-Pod will be hard enough to move to make it another solution to the problem. If it is really just a mirror for the VFO B knob, i will still not be able to tune in the pileup while monitoring the power supply voltage on the K3. It might be nice if it was VFO B while the K3's VFO B know remained the selector for the measurement to monito (time, volts, amps, etc.) 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "The only thing we have to | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | fear is fear itself." - FDR | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | Inaugural address, 3/4/1933 | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Thu Apr 14 15:53:53 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:53:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 total loss Message-ID: <1460663633330-7616355.post@n2.nabble.com> Just in case anyone's interested, I'm scrapping my K2 build and calling it a slightly overpriced parts collection for my first K2. My attempt to pull my burned relay failed and pulled up a couple of the pads. I also managed to burn the relay next to much worse than the one I was trying to replace. So looking at the damage to the board and everything I'd have to do to try to make it work like run wires, etc., I just decided to stop here and write it off. The good news is, I have a spare front panel and control board in perfect working condition and still quite a few uninstalled parts I could keep as spares for the original K2. Virtually all of the transmitter parts for example and quite a few of the cores.... Oh well, you pays your money and you takes your chances. 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-total-loss-tp7616355.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 15:54:09 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:54:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F1F07A8-C983-4293-9ABC-647A133C5A6D@elecraft.com> Hi Dave, Probably a small matter of programming, but we haven't tried it yet. Wayne N6KR On Apr 14, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dave W8FGU wrote: > Hey Wayne, > > As usual, an impressive product. > > Any chance we might be able to use the knob to emulate the QSY function on the P3 in the future? I would love to use that bigger knob to move the cursor on the P3. Maybe even set the markers as well. > > 73, > Dave W8FGU > From edauer at law.du.edu Thu Apr 14 15:57:00 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:57:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <1D8F16BB-8506-4EDE-BF18-7979461372C0@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Thanks for replying, Wayne. I was certain that you?d considered it. Just sitting here dreaming about having a wireless keyer paddle, wireless control among the K3 / KPA / KAT (other than the RF), wireless video to the P3, wireless headset, and wherever else the haystack could be trimmed. And if Nikola Tesla had realized his dream long ago, the power could be there too! But, as I said, my order for the K-Pod will be among the first. Well done; and thanks again. EAD On 4/14/16, 1:25 PM, "Wayne Burdick" wrote: > >On Apr 14, 2016, at 11:55 AM, "Dauer, Edward" wrote: > >> >> Very nice addition to the lineup. Congrats to the team. >> >> I never thought I needed such a thing; but now I see that it is >>absolutely >> indispensable. Of course I?ll buy one. >> >> Having said that, and not at all meaning to be critical or ungrateful, >>I?d >> like to wonder aloud why we still need cables - and the K-pod will add >>two >> more to the unruly collection already hiding behind my desk, as I read >> what?s been printed so far. (Do I have that part right?) Computer >> hardware manufacturers pretty much gave up on inter-unit cabling long >>ago, >> thank goodness. Is there a reason why RF equipment couldn?t do the >>same? >> Please take this as a serious question, not a complaint. I?d be >> interested in knowing the technical challenges to making it happen. > >Hi Ed, > >It can be just a single cable if you make the simple mod to the rig's >front panel that provides power to the pod. > >Wifi or bluetooth would have added a lot to the cost, not to mention the >requirement to put a battery in the pod. The optical encoder uses 30 mA >so you'd end up charging it a lot -- by connecting a cable. > >Wayne >N6KR > > From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 15:57:47 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:57:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 total loss In-Reply-To: <1460663633330-7616355.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460663633330-7616355.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8F2CAFD0-BBFE-4031-BB7A-CE6D94DB84EA@elecraft.com> LS, Sorry to hear about this. I bet Don (W3FPR) could fix it for you quickly and economically. Wayne N6KR On Apr 14, 2016, at 12:53 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: > Just in case anyone's interested, I'm scrapping my K2 build and calling it a > slightly overpriced parts collection for my first K2. My attempt to pull my > burned relay failed and pulled up a couple of the pads. I also managed to > burn the relay next to much worse than the one I was trying to replace. > > So looking at the damage to the board and everything I'd have to do to try > to make it work like run wires, etc., I just decided to stop here and write > it off. > > The good news is, I have a spare front panel and control board in perfect > working condition and still quite a few uninstalled parts I could keep as > spares for the original K2. Virtually all of the transmitter parts for > example and quite a few of the cores.... > > Oh well, you pays your money and you takes your chances. > > 73, > LS > W5QD From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Thu Apr 14 16:11:52 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:11:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 total loss In-Reply-To: <8F2CAFD0-BBFE-4031-BB7A-CE6D94DB84EA@elecraft.com> References: <1460663633330-7616355.post@n2.nabble.com> <8F2CAFD0-BBFE-4031-BB7A-CE6D94DB84EA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1460664712153-7616359.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Wayne, Well it's totally my fault for not using the right tools for this lol. I'll take a look at the pain in the rear/loss ratio after I cheer up a bit and then think about sending it to Don. In the end that may be the more sensible thing to do, maybe after getting some sleep lol. Tnx es 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-total-loss-tp7616355p7616359.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 16:14:49 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:14:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 total loss In-Reply-To: <1460664712153-7616359.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460663633330-7616355.post@n2.nabble.com> <8F2CAFD0-BBFE-4031-BB7A-CE6D94DB84EA@elecraft.com> <1460664712153-7616359.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Good luck either way, LS. If you end up with a wire or two, they can go on the bottom of the board. The radio will still look and work great. Wayne On Apr 14, 2016, at 1:11 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: > Hi Wayne, > > Well it's totally my fault for not using the right tools for this lol. I'll > take a look at the pain in the rear/loss ratio after I cheer up a bit and > then think about sending it to Don. In the end that may be the more sensible > thing to do, maybe after getting some sleep lol. > > Tnx es 73, > LS > W5QD > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-total-loss-tp7616355p7616359.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Thu Apr 14 16:25:58 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:25:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 total loss In-Reply-To: References: <1460663633330-7616355.post@n2.nabble.com> <8F2CAFD0-BBFE-4031-BB7A-CE6D94DB84EA@elecraft.com> <1460664712153-7616359.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1460665558836-7616361.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Wayne, Ah, ok, well... let me take another look, then. This is in the bandpass filter so didn't know how critical this was... Tnx es 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-total-loss-tp7616355p7616361.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Thu Apr 14 16:41:25 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:41:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: References: <1D8F16BB-8506-4EDE-BF18-7979461372C0@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1460666485970-7616362.post@n2.nabble.com> Very cool, I want one! As for wireless, I would share the concern that has been expressed about batteries and additional electronics everywhere. In fact, it's for that very reason that I've virtually eliminated wireless mice, keyboards and other accessories in all of my computer operations and gone back to old-school wires. Yes, wires have their problems, but you never have to charge them up or watch the equipment slowly degrade over time before you figure out that, hey, when was the last time I changed that battery... that I can't get to because I don't have a screwdriver that fits... and the connector is faulty and intermittent anyway and the wired replacement is cheaper and........ hi hi..... Also Bluetooth has a history of being upgraded in such a way as to obsolete hardware that has older BT equipment in it, so I've been gunshy of BT ever since then... 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-Elecraft-Product-K-Pod-Control-Panel-for-K3S-and-K3-Transceivers-tp7616345p7616362.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave at w8fgu.com Thu Apr 14 17:18:12 2016 From: dave at w8fgu.com (Dave W8FGU) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 21:18:12 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <2F1F07A8-C983-4293-9ABC-647A133C5A6D@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Sounds very promising. Thanks Wayne! Dave W8FGU On 4/14/2016 3:54:09 PM, "Wayne Burdick" wrote: >Hi Dave, > >Probably a small matter of programming, but we haven't tried it yet. > >Wayne >N6KR > > >On Apr 14, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dave W8FGU wrote: > >> Hey Wayne, >> >> As usual, an impressive product. >> >> Any chance we might be able to use the knob to emulate the QSY >>function on the P3 in the future? I would love to use that bigger knob >>to move the cursor on the P3. Maybe even set the markers as well. >> >> 73, >> Dave W8FGU >> > > From hlyingst at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 17:17:04 2016 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 21:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 total loss In-Reply-To: <8F2CAFD0-BBFE-4031-BB7A-CE6D94DB84EA@elecraft.com> References: <8F2CAFD0-BBFE-4031-BB7A-CE6D94DB84EA@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1114739138.601808.1460668624984.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I've fixed some pretty messed up boards over the years.I would be quite surprised if it was truly a total loss. Personally I'd take a breath and set it aside then look at it with a clear head later. From AC6JA at aol.com Thu Apr 14 17:30:20 2016 From: AC6JA at aol.com (AC6JA at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 17:30:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Trans... Message-ID: Has there been any thought of coming up with a wireless control console for the K3(s) similar to the Flex Radio Maestro? I've dreamt many times of being able to sit in my backyard and being able to fully control my K3 base station wirelessly over my home Wifi network. I know there is the remote radio combo available, but too many boxes and wires. It just would be nice to have everything in one box with a rechargeable battery. Any interest? Mike AC6JA In a message dated 4/14/2016 1:27:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, n6kr at elecraft.com writes: Hi Dave, Probably a small matter of programming, but we haven't tried it yet. Wayne N6KR On Apr 14, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dave W8FGU wrote: > Hey Wayne, > > As usual, an impressive product. > > Any chance we might be able to use the knob to emulate the QSY function on the P3 in the future? I would love to use that bigger knob to move the cursor on the P3. Maybe even set the markers as well. > > 73, > Dave W8FGU > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ac6ja at aol.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Apr 14 17:34:30 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 14:34:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <2F1F07A8-C983-4293-9ABC-647A133C5A6D@elecraft.com> References: <2F1F07A8-C983-4293-9ABC-647A133C5A6D@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <57100CE6.50602@foothill.net> "Just as there are no smart cows, there are no 'small matters of programming'." :-)) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 4/14/2016 12:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Probably a small matter of programming, but we haven't tried it yet. > > Wayne > N6KR From sabertsch at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 17:41:26 2016 From: sabertsch at gmail.com (Steven Bertsch) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 14:41:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS West Mountain Radio CLRspkr In-Reply-To: <1460643106.31718.63.camel@nk7z.net> References: <1460643106.31718.63.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <4F0A2CE1-0CBE-4C77-B98D-4C00224388C2@gmail.com> For Sale: West Mountain Radio CLRspkr - brand new in the box, never opened. Selling it because a friend gave me his CLRspkr after I ordered this one. Asking $200 which includes shipping. I can ship it tomorrow if you pay using PayPal. Steve K6SAB From ae5x at juno.com Thu Apr 14 17:58:07 2016 From: ae5x at juno.com (ae5x at juno.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 21:58:07 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Tr ansceivers Message-ID: <20160414.165807.1160.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Intel leak on Elecraft's next product (currently being beta-tested): http://s566.photobucket.com/user/ae5x/media/Radio/kwatch_zpsuyeaue1t.jpg.html John AE5X http://ae5x.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ Wall Street Daily Peter Schiff: China Just Armed its Financial Missile http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/571012c472d512c36ed7st04vuc From bob.novas at verizon.net Thu Apr 14 18:34:28 2016 From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 18:34:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <57100CE6.50602@foothill.net> References: <2F1F07A8-C983-4293-9ABC-647A133C5A6D@elecraft.com> <57100CE6.50602@foothill.net> Message-ID: <00b201d1969d$cf057bd0$6d107370$@verizon.net> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_matter_of_programming No no, it's a minor detail. Bob, W3DK > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred > Jensen > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 5:35 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 > Transceivers > > "Just as there are no smart cows, there are no 'small matters of programming'." > :-)) > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 > - www.cqp.org > > On 4/14/2016 12:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > > > Probably a small matter of programming, but we haven't tried it yet. > > > > Wayne > > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Thu Apr 14 18:35:05 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 15:35:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 total loss In-Reply-To: <1114739138.601808.1460668624984.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1460663633330-7616355.post@n2.nabble.com> <8F2CAFD0-BBFE-4031-BB7A-CE6D94DB84EA@elecraft.com> <1114739138.601808.1460668624984.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1460673305948-7616369.post@n2.nabble.com> I might take another look at it this evening. I burned up yet another relay replacing the first one so I'll have to extract it too. I could rob a relay out of my KAT2 kit (which I think uses the same type) for that and just order replacements in the meanwhile. So I might be able to continue provided I a) don't tear up yet another set of holes and b) mind the soldering iron this final time LOL. Tnx es 73, LS W5QD Elecraft mailing list wrote > I've fixed some pretty messed up boards over the years.I would be quite > surprised if it was truly a total loss. > Personally I'd take a breath and set it aside then look at it with a clear > head later. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-total-loss-tp7616355p7616369.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Apr 14 18:55:02 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 15:55:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3-RRC-WinKey question Message-ID: <57101FC6.3090005@foothill.net> I use my K3 with the RRC-1258 box for operating W7RN remotely. My paddle keys the WinkeyUSB which keys the RRC box through a couple of pins on the rear RJ-45 connector. I also have a stealth EFHW running on top of the back fence, and an RS-232 A/B switch to switch from local to remote. The Winkey has two key outputs. Anybody know for sure that I can have both the RRC box and K3 connected to the Winkey at the same time? It looks to me like they're isolated, but not sure. Way too many cables behind my "wireless". 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Thu Apr 14 19:41:04 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 18:41:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] Re: K-Pod hands-on test opportunity; request for K-Pod application ideas In-Reply-To: <570FDC9D.4010104@gmail.com> References: <812CA5CC-1DA1-4974-A9E7-C8D609FB7B75@elecraft.com> <35044721-7273-409F-89CD-E53DFBC84EFC@elecraft.com> <570FDC9D.4010104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57102A90.8060909@mediacombb.net> Yeah sure...it's called a laptop. On 4/14/2016 1:08 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > So it's within the realm of possibilities that a device similar to the > K-pod could be made using the RJ-45, with a sound card added, for full > network access? That would simplify remote ops or allow a tablet to > control or even more. If you can control the radio via that port, the > K3/S is nearly at that point now. > > Rick wa6nhc > > > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From bjablonski at att.net Thu Apr 14 20:22:33 2016 From: bjablonski at att.net (Barry Jablonski) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:22:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <1460662149828-7616351.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460662149828-7616351.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <57103449.9070103@att.net> Hi Keith, I totally agree. In the software world it's called spaghetti code -- in the hardware world it's an octopus's garden. RS-232 is so 30 years old! All modern radios have one go's into and one go's out'a. Using standard modern protocols. Elecraft needs to join the modern world. Barry From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 20:38:13 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 17:38:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <57103449.9070103@att.net> References: <1460662149828-7616351.post@n2.nabble.com> <57103449.9070103@att.net> Message-ID: Done. For most applications, a single USB cable to the radio (K3S, or a K3 with a KIO3B module) is all that's required for combined computer data and audio. We provide lots of other DC, audio, and digital I/O too, just in case you need it. For example, we provide a second headphone jack, second mic jack, and stereo speaker outputs on the back. Just in case. No way to get rid of the DC input jack, antenna jack, and ground screw, of course. I suppose the keyer paddle could go to Bluetooth? 73, Wayne N6KR On Apr 14, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Barry Jablonski wrote: > Hi Keith, > > I totally agree. In the software world it's called spaghetti code -- in the hardware world it's an octopus's garden. RS-232 is so 30 years old! All modern radios > have one go's into and one go's out'a. Using standard modern protocols. Elecraft needs to join the modern world. > > Barry > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From crustacean at brig-elec.com Thu Apr 14 21:17:12 2016 From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 21:17:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: References: <1460662149828-7616351.post@n2.nabble.com> <57103449.9070103@att.net> Message-ID: <1460683032.2989.11.camel@arabica> I don't want to cause excessive topic drift here, but I really appreciate the various simple options that the KX3 provides. If I want to do digital, there is the IQ output. If I want to do ssb, there is mic input. If I want computer control or to update the firmware there is an RS232 input. I can use any or all of them as my needs at the moment dictate. Having the rs232 by the way enables me to use a microcontroller to control the radio. If the KX3 used USB there is no way that most people will be able to put together a microcontroller project to control their radio. Just about anyone can program for RS232, very few can deal with a USB stack. I will gladly deal with the cabling in exchange of the flexibility that it enables. Just one customer's pennies worth. Have a great night everyone. On Thu, 2016-04-14 at 17:38 -0700, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Done. For most applications, a single USB cable to the radio (K3S, or a K3 with a KIO3B module) is all that's required for combined computer data and audio. > > We provide lots of other DC, audio, and digital I/O too, just in case you need it. For example, we provide a second headphone jack, second mic jack, and stereo speaker outputs on the back. Just in case. > > No way to get rid of the DC input jack, antenna jack, and ground screw, of course. > > I suppose the keyer paddle could go to Bluetooth? > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Apr 14, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Barry Jablonski wrote: > > > Hi Keith, > > > > I totally agree. In the software world it's called spaghetti code -- in the hardware world it's an octopus's garden. RS-232 is so 30 years old! All modern radios > > have one go's into and one go's out'a. Using standard modern protocols. Elecraft needs to join the modern world. > > > > Barry > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com > From Gary at ka1j.com Thu Apr 14 21:21:04 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 21:21:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: References: <1460662149828-7616351.post@n2.nabble.com>, <57103449.9070103@att.net>, Message-ID: <57104200.29662.EC2B2A@Gary.ka1j.com> Wayne & Eric, Here's the way it is, according to me: I really like the radios and equipment you make. Flash is pretty but I crave an eloquent solution for what I want to do and I don't honestly give too much of a flip as to how somebody else wants their radio to be. One thing is for sure, I don't want a "one-time radio is all it is, take it or leave it", you buy it & that's what it is forever more. I want a radio that I can configure to what I want to do with it, get it right for me, and leave it configured that way. I'm a creature of habit and once it works right for me, I'll know how to use it the next time and for as long as I wish, it will perform just how I want it to; no mysteries. I want a radio that is updated such that hardware and software are made available to improve what I had earlier bought. Elecraft does this and none of the others do. Made here in the USA too. Put that on the wish list for Icom. Would I like a big knob here & there? Not if I'm not going to use it. Do I need a better contesting rig? With my K3 and wire antennas I keep on winning state and division contests in my class, I don't think more knobs would give me better scores. Faster typing might help and maybe better ears but that's organic deficits, not electronic. Would I like a big rig that is a cross between a computer and a microwave? No, not unless it also cooks for me like a microwave in the middle of one of those contests. I'll take a BrontoBurger with cheese & Chippotle sauce from the replicator, please. You two are a whole lot younger than I am and with that, the odds being what they are, you'll likely be designing and making radios well after I'm gone from this coil. So with that little bit of reality I can say that there is nobody who makes a radio I want more than my K3s at this time. You keep innovating and I'll have a company to support and in the process, I'll spruce up my shack in these here Golden years with the finest upcoming radios money can buy. I don't need the newest and greatest immediately, I can wait. But when I do want that, I know exactly where to get it; on Westridge Drive in Watsonville, California. 73, Gary KA1J From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 22:03:47 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:03:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <57104200.29662.EC2B2A@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <1460662149828-7616351.post@n2.nabble.com>, <57103449.9070103@att.net>, <57104200.29662.EC2B2A@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <75652499-306E-408F-ABDE-4DEA9C208234@elecraft.com> Gary, I've already framed this and hung it in the hallway. Thanks for your ongoing support! 73, Wayne N6KR On Apr 14, 2016, at 6:21 PM, "Gary Smith" wrote: > Wayne & Eric, > > Here's the way it is, according to me: > > I really like the radios and equipment you > make. Flash is pretty but I crave an > eloquent solution for what I want to do > and I don't honestly give too much of a > flip as to how somebody else wants their > radio to be. > > One thing is for sure, I don't want a > "one-time radio is all it is, take it or > leave it", you buy it & that's what it is > forever more. I want a radio that I can > configure to what I want to do with it, > get it right for me, and leave it > configured that way. > > I'm a creature of habit and once it works > right for me, I'll know how to use it the > next time and for as long as I wish, it > will perform just how I want it to; no > mysteries. I want a radio that is updated > such that hardware and software are made > available to improve what I had earlier > bought. Elecraft does this and none of the > others do. Made here in the USA too. Put > that on the wish list for Icom. > > Would I like a big knob here & there? Not > if I'm not going to use it. Do I need a > better contesting rig? With my K3 and wire > antennas I keep on winning state and > division contests in my class, I don't > think more knobs would give me better > scores. Faster typing might help and maybe > better ears but that's organic deficits, > not electronic. > > Would I like a big rig that is a cross > between a computer and a microwave? No, > not unless it also cooks for me like a > microwave in the middle of one of those > contests. I'll take a BrontoBurger with > cheese & Chippotle sauce from the > replicator, please. > > You two are a whole lot younger than I am > and with that, the odds being what they > are, you'll likely be designing and making > radios well after I'm gone from this coil. > So with that little bit of reality I can > say that there is nobody who makes a radio > I want more than my K3s at this time. You > keep innovating and I'll have a company to > support and in the process, I'll spruce up > my shack in these here Golden years with > the finest upcoming radios money can buy. > > I don't need the newest and greatest > immediately, I can wait. But when I do > want that, I know exactly where to get it; > on Westridge Drive in Watsonville, > California. > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From mgold at pathcom.com Thu Apr 14 22:11:43 2016 From: mgold at pathcom.com (Mike Goldstein) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 22:11:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 sound recording Message-ID: <20160415021140.11A49185B5F@smtp-auth05.pathcom.com> I've been asked to do a workshop on contesting techniques next autumn, so I'm working on an audio/visual presentation. Here's the question: For my K3, if I connect a line between the K3 LINE OUT and the PC's LINE IN, will I be able to record (using software such as Audacity) all audio present in my K3 speaker or headphones? I want to record CW and SSB contest QSOs, to illustrate my contesting techniques. Thanks, Mike Goldstein VE3GFN From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 22:17:10 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:17:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New from Elecraft: High-Performance 200-Hz, 6-pole Crystal Filter Message-ID: <156C9187-0660-47C7-B079-4F97A27BF472@elecraft.com> Some of you may recall that we discontinued our 5-pole, 200-Hz filter last year. Our replacement for this filter has cleared all of our stringent test hurdles and is now available on our order page. The new filter (KFL3C-200) has six poles rather than five, significantly improving skirt selectivity. And at the center, the passband is 200 Hz at 6 dB down -- ideal for CW and narrowband data operation in high-QRM or QRN situations. (Our 5-pole filter was already a favorite of 160 meter CW contest veterans. The KFL3C-200 takes it up another notch. Maybe two.) Plots for all of our filters, including an overlay comparing the KFL3A-250 (INRAD 8-pole) to the new KFL3C-200, can be found at: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_filter_plots.htm Next week, when we're all recuperating from the Visalia DX convention, we'll provide a link to a plot showing the 5-pole vs. 6-pole filter passband. The improvement in skirt selectivity is quite pronounced. This filter can be installed in a K3, K3S, or the sub receiver. To order, see: http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#k3filters 73, Wayne, N6KR Eric, WA6HHQ From wa8jxm at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 22:26:01 2016 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 22:26:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <57103449.9070103@att.net> References: <1460662149828-7616351.post@n2.nabble.com> <57103449.9070103@att.net> Message-ID: <57105139.20500@gmail.com> On 4/14/16 8:22 PM, Barry Jablonski wrote: > In the software world it's called spaghetti code -- _in the hardware > world it's an octopus's garden. _ That is why we no longer call it "Wireless" ;-) Ken WA8JXM From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Thu Apr 14 22:57:35 2016 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 02:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 total loss In-Reply-To: <1460665558836-7616361.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460665558836-7616361.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <531927623.544431.1460689055949.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> You need also a proper desoldering tool. ?If still no luck, pass it to Don W3FPR as suggested by Wayne. ?Don guided me for a number of K2 repairs in the past. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? lstavenhagen ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????? 2016?04?15? (??) 4:25 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] K2 total loss Hi Wayne, Ah, ok, well... let me take another look, then. This is in the bandpass filter so didn't know how critical this was... Tnx es 73, LS W5QD From indians at xsmail.com Fri Apr 15 05:33:08 2016 From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 02:33:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New from Elecraft: High-Performance 200-Hz, 6-pole Crystal Filter In-Reply-To: <156C9187-0660-47C7-B079-4F97A27BF472@elecraft.com> References: <156C9187-0660-47C7-B079-4F97A27BF472@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1460712788170-7616382.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Wayne, excellent! It will be helpful to all who wanted the old 5-poles/200Hz obsolete option... Is is possible to see also the comparison plot for new KFL3C-200 vs old 5-poles/200Hz please? Many thanks, 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-from-Elecraft-High-Performance-200-Hz-6-pole-Crystal-Filter-tp7616379p7616382.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From turnbull at net1.ie Fri Apr 15 05:42:37 2016 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:42:37 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New from Elecraft: High-Performance 200-Hz, 6-pole Crystal Filter In-Reply-To: <156C9187-0660-47C7-B079-4F97A27BF472@elecraft.com> References: <156C9187-0660-47C7-B079-4F97A27BF472@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <2FF2876B4E824A78B49499ED74BE1055@DougTPC> Wayne and Elecrafters, You people are wonderful!!!!!! Your company is the best. As to anyone bringing out a 7300 or super duper PC enclosed rig those same companies will never ever provide the same level of service, communications and on going development of existing products. On these points Elecraft is unique. Then for my money you make the best products as well. Last night two K-Pods were ordered. Now it looks like I will be ordering six pole 200 Hz filters. "Elecraft the company that keeps on improving". 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: 15 April 2016 02:17 To: Elecraft Reflector; elecraft at yahoogroups.com; Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Elecraft] New from Elecraft: High-Performance 200-Hz,6-pole Crystal Filter Some of you may recall that we discontinued our 5-pole, 200-Hz filter last year. Our replacement for this filter has cleared all of our stringent test hurdles and is now available on our order page. The new filter (KFL3C-200) has six poles rather than five, significantly improving skirt selectivity. And at the center, the passband is 200 Hz at 6 dB down -- ideal for CW and narrowband data operation in high-QRM or QRN situations. (Our 5-pole filter was already a favorite of 160 meter CW contest veterans. The KFL3C-200 takes it up another notch. Maybe two.) Plots for all of our filters, including an overlay comparing the KFL3A-250 (INRAD 8-pole) to the new KFL3C-200, can be found at: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_filter_plots.htm Next week, when we're all recuperating from the Visalia DX convention, we'll provide a link to a plot showing the 5-pole vs. 6-pole filter passband. The improvement in skirt selectivity is quite pronounced. This filter can be installed in a K3, K3S, or the sub receiver. To order, see: http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#k3filters 73, Wayne, N6KR Eric, WA6HHQ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From alsopb at comcast.net Fri Apr 15 07:40:17 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 11:40:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New from Elecraft: High-Performance 200-Hz, 6-pole Crystal Filter In-Reply-To: <156C9187-0660-47C7-B079-4F97A27BF472@elecraft.com> References: <156C9187-0660-47C7-B079-4F97A27BF472@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5710D321.7080002@comcast.net> The plots have a disclaimer that one can't compare the passband attenuation for the filters. Some of us have noticed that with the old 200 Hz 5 pole filters the amount of gain available to compensate for it was not enough. I observed that here by comparing SPECTROGRAM peak outputs per filter. Presumably the 6 pole 200 Hz filter will have a bit more attenuation. How does the passband loss of the new/old 200 Hz filters compare? 73 de Brian/K3KO On 4/15/2016 2:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Some of you may recall that we discontinued our 5-pole, 200-Hz filter last year. Our replacement for this filter has cleared all of our stringent test hurdles and is now available on our order page. > > The new filter (KFL3C-200) has six poles rather than five, significantly improving skirt selectivity. And at the center, the passband is 200 Hz at 6 dB down -- ideal for CW and narrowband data operation in high-QRM or QRN situations. (Our 5-pole filter was already a favorite of 160 meter CW contest veterans. The KFL3C-200 takes it up another notch. Maybe two.) > > Plots for all of our filters, including an overlay comparing the KFL3A-250 (INRAD 8-pole) to the new KFL3C-200, can be found at: > > http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_filter_plots.htm > > Next week, when we're all recuperating from the Visalia DX convention, we'll provide a link to a plot showing the 5-pole vs. 6-pole filter passband. The improvement in skirt selectivity is quite pronounced. > > This filter can be installed in a K3, K3S, or the sub receiver. To order, see: > > http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#k3filters > > 73, > > Wayne, N6KR > Eric, WA6HHQ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Fri Apr 15 07:50:30 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 06:50:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 sound recording In-Reply-To: <20160415021140.11A49185B5F@smtp-auth05.pathcom.com> References: <20160415021140.11A49185B5F@smtp-auth05.pathcom.com> Message-ID: <5710D586.90204@mediacombb.net> Don't see why not. On 4/14/2016 9:11 PM, Mike Goldstein wrote: > I've been asked to do a workshop on contesting techniques next autumn, > so I'm working on an audio/visual presentation. > > Here's the question: For my K3, if I connect a line between the K3 > LINE OUT and the PC's LINE IN, will I be able to record (using > software such as Audacity) all audio present in my K3 speaker or > headphones? I want to record CW and > SSB contest QSOs, to illustrate my contesting techniques. > > Thanks, Mike Goldstein VE3GFN > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin.stover at mediacombb.net > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From voerman at att.net Fri Apr 15 07:52:19 2016 From: voerman at att.net (Lou Voerman W2ROW) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 04:52:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New from Elecraft: High-Performance 200-Hz, 6-pole Crystal Filter In-Reply-To: <156C9187-0660-47C7-B079-4F97A27BF472@elecraft.com> References: <156C9187-0660-47C7-B079-4F97A27BF472@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1460721139299-7616386.post@n2.nabble.com> I have one quick question about the 6 pole filter. Will it have an offset like the 5 pole filters or will the offset be zero like the 8 pole filters? Thanks, Lou W2ROW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-from-Elecraft-High-Performance-200-Hz-6-pole-Crystal-Filter-tp7616379p7616386.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at subich.com Fri Apr 15 08:25:45 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 08:25:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New from Elecraft: High-Performance 200-Hz, 6-pole Crystal Filter In-Reply-To: <1460712788170-7616382.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <156C9187-0660-47C7-B079-4F97A27BF472@elecraft.com> <1460712788170-7616382.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5710DDC9.50102@subich.com> On 4/15/2016 5:33 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote: > > Is is possible to see also the comparison plot for new KFL3C-200 vs > old 5-poles/200Hz please? Wayne promised the comparison plot after they returned from Visalia (starts today) and have a chance to recover. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/15/2016 5:33 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote: > Hi Wayne, > > excellent! It will be helpful to all who wanted the old 5-poles/200Hz > obsolete option... > > Is is possible to see also the comparison plot for new KFL3C-200 vs old > 5-poles/200Hz please? > > Many thanks, > 73 - Petr, OK1RP > > > > ----- > http://ok1rp.blogspot.com > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-from-Elecraft-High-Performance-200-Hz-6-pole-Crystal-Filter-tp7616379p7616382.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From lists at subich.com Fri Apr 15 08:27:50 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 08:27:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New from Elecraft: High-Performance 200-Hz, 6-pole Crystal Filter In-Reply-To: <1460721139299-7616386.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <156C9187-0660-47C7-B079-4F97A27BF472@elecraft.com> <1460721139299-7616386.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5710DE46.3090607@subich.com> On 4/15/2016 7:52 AM, Lou Voerman W2ROW wrote: > > I have one quick question about the 6 pole filter. Will it have an offset > like the 5 pole filters or will the offset be zero like the 8 pole filters? Wayne indicated that they will but that matching is not critical when used with the new synthesizers because the new synthesizers maintain much tighter frequency tracking from band to band. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From john at kk9a.com Fri Apr 15 09:31:21 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:31:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers Message-ID: I think that most contest station use a considerable amount of cables in back of the rig. I have a Y on my ACC for a MicroHAM device and a Band Decoder and am considering adding another Y for amp control. It think that it is great if the K-Pod can be run off of a single cable connected underneath the K3S. How involved is the radio modification? I can see this as a convenient way to use RIT and activate the CW/SSB keyer memories. John KK9A Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Apr 14 20:38:13 EDT 2016 message: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Done. For most applications, a single USB cable to the radio (K3S, or a K3 with a KIO3B module) is all that's required for combined computer data and audio. We provide lots of other DC, audio, and digital I/O too, just in case you need it. For example, we provide a second headphone jack, second mic jack, and stereo speaker outputs on the back. Just in case. No way to get rid of the DC input jack, antenna jack, and ground screw, of course. I suppose the keyer paddle could go to Bluetooth? 73, Wayne N6KR From dave at nk7z.net Fri Apr 15 09:38:44 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 06:38:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 sound recording In-Reply-To: <20160415021140.11A49185B5F@smtp-auth05.pathcom.com> References: <20160415021140.11A49185B5F@smtp-auth05.pathcom.com> Message-ID: <1460727524.31718.102.camel@nk7z.net> I routinely do this... ?Works great for me... ?I use a different program called i-sound. ?It has a small footprint and works well... ? -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2016-04-14 at 22:11 -0400, Mike Goldstein wrote: > I've been asked to do a workshop on contesting techniques next? > autumn, so I'm working on an audio/visual presentation. > > Here's the question: For my K3, if I connect a line between the K3? > LINE OUT and the PC's LINE IN, will I be able to record? > (using??software such as Audacity) all audio present in my K3 > speaker? > or headphones???I want to record CW and > SSB contest QSOs, to illustrate my contesting techniques. > > Thanks, Mike Goldstein VE3GFN > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Fri Apr 15 09:57:00 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 06:57:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] k2 continuing on (nothing to lose) Message-ID: <1460728620042-7616392.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, Tnx for all the encouragement and suggestions by PM and on the list on my K2 tragedy. After thinking it over after something to eat I decided I didn't have anything to lose by simply continuing on. My thinking was, ok, this is a learning experience, right? So I figured, ok, let's learn how to remove a component without tearing everything up LOL. If I could get the second ruined relay out without doing more damage to the board, I was ok. I did manage to get the pads back down on the first relay socket and I didn't see that the traces were actually broken. So I carefully threaded the new relay in and soldered it in like normal. Fingers crossed that all the connections are good. As for other relay that I ruined, I robbed a relay out of my KAT2 kit and got out my desoldering iron from Radio Shack. Not the best desoldering tool in the world and it has failed me in the past, but marginally better than desoldering braid and nothing else and went to work. After sucking out as much solder as I could on the pins, I flush cut them as far down as I could go and went over the pads again with the iron and braid. Fortunately, this relay came out easily after cutting it in half on the topside with the wire cutters. No damage to the board. At that point, I was cooking with gas and decided to install L33 and the remaining diodes. That put me at the alignment part II stage. By about 10pm last night I'd complete the receiver alignment and all those circuits checked out virtually perfect. So the RX is intact and receiving on 40M. I hear relays click when I go through the bands - the 20m bandpass filter is where I did all the damage and replaced the relays, so maybe they're hooked up and working right. Anyway, at this point, since the RX is fine and working normally as far as I can tell, I think I should just go ahead with the rest of the build and see what happens on 20M when it's done. Like Wayne suggested, if there does end up a problem on 20M at the end, I can probably just run wires on the bottom of the board to hook it all up. It'll do me good to go back to the schematic anyway lol. So onwards with the build and hope the rescue effort succeeds hi hi. Tnx es 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k2-continuing-on-nothing-to-lose-tp7616392.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at subich.com Fri Apr 15 09:58:38 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:58:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5710F38E.9090802@subich.com> On 4/15/2016 9:31 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > How involved is the radio modification? I can see this as a > convenient way to use RIT and activate the CW/SSB keyer memories. From looking at the K3 schematic it looks like not much more than removing a resistor and adding a jumper or perhaps changing a diode. There are two +5V lines on the RJ-12 jack but one has a 10K current limiting resistor and the other a diode/120 Ohm resistor. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/15/2016 9:31 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > I think that most contest station use a considerable amount of cables in > back of the rig. I have a Y on my ACC for a MicroHAM device and a Band > Decoder and am considering adding another Y for amp control. It think that > it is great if the K-Pod can be run off of a single cable connected > underneath the K3S. How involved is the radio modification? I can see this > as a convenient way to use RIT and activate the CW/SSB keyer memories. > > John KK9A From pdn at warwick.net Fri Apr 15 10:11:40 2016 From: pdn at warwick.net (N2PD) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 07:11:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB MONITOR Message-ID: <1460729500114-7616394.post@n2.nabble.com> I know I'll be told to just buy a K3 or KX3, but I love the K2 and am always looking for ways to improve it. In the menu using SSBA and BAL it's possible to monitor SSB in your headphones. What I'm wondering is if there would be a way to make that feature active when actually transmitting so your voice could be heard in the phones. Maybe Wayne might have some input on this. ----- Paul, N2PD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-SSB-MONITOR-tp7616394.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Apr 15 10:55:18 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 07:55:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] k2 continuing on (nothing to lose) In-Reply-To: <1460728620042-7616392.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460728620042-7616392.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <571100D6.6030707@socal.rr.com> Good to hear you are back in stride, LS! 73, Phil W7OX On 4/15/16 6:57 AM, lstavenhagen wrote: > Hi all, > Tnx for all the encouragement and suggestions by PM and on the list on my K2 > tragedy. After thinking it over after something to eat I decided I didn't > have anything to lose by simply continuing on. > > My thinking was, ok, this is a learning experience, right? So I figured, ok, > let's learn how to remove a component without tearing everything up LOL. If > I could get the second ruined relay out without doing more damage to the > board, I was ok. > > I did manage to get the pads back down on the first relay socket and I > didn't see that the traces were actually broken. So I carefully threaded the > new relay in and soldered it in like normal. Fingers crossed that all the > connections are good. > > As for other relay that I ruined, I robbed a relay out of my KAT2 kit and > got out my desoldering iron from Radio Shack. Not the best desoldering tool > in the world and it has failed me in the past, but marginally better than > desoldering braid and nothing else and went to work. After sucking out as > much solder as I could on the pins, I flush cut them as far down as I could > go and went over the pads again with the iron and braid. Fortunately, this > relay came out easily after cutting it in half on the topside with the wire > cutters. No damage to the board. > > At that point, I was cooking with gas and decided to install L33 and the > remaining diodes. That put me at the alignment part II stage. By about 10pm > last night I'd complete the receiver alignment and all those circuits > checked out virtually perfect. So the RX is intact and receiving on 40M. I > hear relays click when I go through the bands - the 20m bandpass filter is > where I did all the damage and replaced the relays, so maybe they're hooked > up and working right. > > Anyway, at this point, since the RX is fine and working normally as far as I > can tell, I think I should just go ahead with the rest of the build and see > what happens on 20M when it's done. > > Like Wayne suggested, if there does end up a problem on 20M at the end, I > can probably just run wires on the bottom of the board to hook it all up. > It'll do me good to go back to the schematic anyway lol. > > So onwards with the build and hope the rescue effort succeeds hi hi. > > Tnx es 73, > LS > W5QD From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Apr 15 11:25:57 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 08:25:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New from Elecraft: High-Performance 200-Hz, 6-pole Crystal Filter In-Reply-To: <1460721139299-7616386.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <156C9187-0660-47C7-B079-4F97A27BF472@elecraft.com> <1460721139299-7616386.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <975AC7C1-7235-4F37-8E0C-3CCEB4AB2E59@elecraft.com> The 6-pole filters have an offset (like the 5-pole). The offset is clearly marked on the filter and can be entered into the filter configuration page using K3 Utility. This has no effect on performance. 73, Wayne N6KR On Apr 15, 2016, at 4:52 AM, Lou Voerman W2ROW wrote: > > I have one quick question about the 6 pole filter. Will it have an offset > like the 5 pole filters or will the offset be zero like the 8 pole filters? > > Thanks, > Lou W2ROW From n1al at sonic.net Fri Apr 15 11:30:14 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 08:30:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <5710F38E.9090802@subich.com> References: <5710F38E.9090802@subich.com> Message-ID: <57110906.9010202@sonic.net> I think they are using pin 6, the one with the 10K resistor, to get +5V to the pod. So it probably will involve bridging the 10K resistor with a smaller value. Alan N1AL On 04/15/2016 06:58 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > On 4/15/2016 9:31 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: >> How involved is the radio modification? I can see this as a >> convenient way to use RIT and activate the CW/SSB keyer memories. > > From looking at the K3 schematic it looks like not much more than > removing a resistor and adding a jumper or perhaps changing a diode. > There are two +5V lines on the RJ-12 jack but one has a 10K current > limiting resistor and the other a diode/120 Ohm resistor. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 4/15/2016 9:31 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: >> I think that most contest station use a considerable amount of cables in >> back of the rig. I have a Y on my ACC for a MicroHAM device and a Band >> Decoder and am considering adding another Y for amp control. It think >> that >> it is great if the K-Pod can be run off of a single cable connected >> underneath the K3S. How involved is the radio modification? I can see >> this >> as a convenient way to use RIT and activate the CW/SSB keyer memories. >> >> John KK9A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Apr 15 11:31:13 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 08:31:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New from Elecraft: High-Performance 200-Hz, 6-pole Crystal Filter In-Reply-To: <5710D321.7080002@comcast.net> References: <156C9187-0660-47C7-B079-4F97A27BF472@elecraft.com> <5710D321.7080002@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0F4A573F-6FEF-4347-B2C2-A6BA17F3ED9E@elecraft.com> Typical loss of the 5- and 6-pole 200-Hz filters is about the same. I believe we do have enough DSP-based gain compensation for all filter types, but I'll ask our techs to verify this. The noise figure of the radio is established ahead of the crystal filters, so moderate loss in the filters is not significant from a performance standpoint. In fact the sensitivity and dynamic range of the radio are typically maximized when this filter is used. Wayne N6KR On Apr 15, 2016, at 4:40 AM, brian wrote: > The plots have a disclaimer that one can't compare the passband attenuation for the filters. > > Some of us have noticed that with the old 200 Hz 5 pole filters the amount of gain available to compensate for it was not enough. I observed that here by comparing SPECTROGRAM peak outputs per filter. > > Presumably the 6 pole 200 Hz filter will have a bit more attenuation. > > How does the passband loss of the new/old 200 Hz filters compare? > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > On 4/15/2016 2:17 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Some of you may recall that we discontinued our 5-pole, 200-Hz filter last year. Our replacement for this filter has cleared all of our stringent test hurdles and is now available on our order page. >> >> The new filter (KFL3C-200) has six poles rather than five, significantly improving skirt selectivity. And at the center, the passband is 200 Hz at 6 dB down -- ideal for CW and narrowband data operation in high-QRM or QRN situations. (Our 5-pole filter was already a favorite of 160 meter CW contest veterans. The KFL3C-200 takes it up another notch. Maybe two.) >> >> Plots for all of our filters, including an overlay comparing the KFL3A-250 (INRAD 8-pole) to the new KFL3C-200, can be found at: >> >> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_filter_plots.htm >> >> Next week, when we're all recuperating from the Visalia DX convention, we'll provide a link to a plot showing the 5-pole vs. 6-pole filter passband. The improvement in skirt selectivity is quite pronounced. >> >> This filter can be installed in a K3, K3S, or the sub receiver. To order, see: >> >> http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm#k3filters >> >> 73, >> >> Wayne, N6KR >> Eric, WA6HHQ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From ron at cobi.biz Fri Apr 15 11:33:20 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 08:33:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] k2 continuing on (nothing to lose) In-Reply-To: <1460728620042-7616392.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460728620042-7616392.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <002a01d1972c$245795d0$6d06c170$@biz> Great news LS. If that RS desoldering tool is like the one I have somewhere in the bottom of my junk box, it is not temperature-controlled and does a wonderful job of delaminating traces from pc boards. It simply gets too hot. That's why mine is where it is... 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of lstavenhagen Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 6:57 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] k2 continuing on (nothing to lose) Hi all, Tnx for all the encouragement and suggestions by PM and on the list on my K2 tragedy. After thinking it over after something to eat I decided I didn't have anything to lose by simply continuing on. My thinking was, ok, this is a learning experience, right? So I figured, ok, let's learn how to remove a component without tearing everything up LOL. If I could get the second ruined relay out without doing more damage to the board, I was ok. I did manage to get the pads back down on the first relay socket and I didn't see that the traces were actually broken. So I carefully threaded the new relay in and soldered it in like normal. Fingers crossed that all the connections are good. As for other relay that I ruined, I robbed a relay out of my KAT2 kit and got out my desoldering iron from Radio Shack. Not the best desoldering tool in the world and it has failed me in the past, but marginally better than desoldering braid and nothing else and went to work. After sucking out as much solder as I could on the pins, I flush cut them as far down as I could go and went over the pads again with the iron and braid. Fortunately, this relay came out easily after cutting it in half on the topside with the wire cutters. No damage to the board. At that point, I was cooking with gas and decided to install L33 and the remaining diodes. That put me at the alignment part II stage. By about 10pm last night I'd complete the receiver alignment and all those circuits checked out virtually perfect. So the RX is intact and receiving on 40M. I hear relays click when I go through the bands - the 20m bandpass filter is where I did all the damage and replaced the relays, so maybe they're hooked up and working right. Anyway, at this point, since the RX is fine and working normally as far as I can tell, I think I should just go ahead with the rest of the build and see what happens on 20M when it's done. Like Wayne suggested, if there does end up a problem on 20M at the end, I can probably just run wires on the bottom of the board to hook it all up. It'll do me good to go back to the schematic anyway lol. So onwards with the build and hope the rescue effort succeeds hi hi. Tnx es 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k2-continuing-on-nothing-to-lose-tp7616 392.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Apr 15 11:35:41 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 08:35:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A63E7D0-4F40-427E-A9C8-70DBAB1026AE@elecraft.com> The mod is very simple, involving soldering one resistor onto the front panel board. Wayne N6KR On Apr 15, 2016, at 6:31 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > I think that most contest station use a considerable amount of cables in > back of the rig. I have a Y on my ACC for a MicroHAM device and a Band > Decoder and am considering adding another Y for amp control. It think that > it is great if the K-Pod can be run off of a single cable connected > underneath the K3S. How involved is the radio modification? I can see this > as a convenient way to use RIT and activate the CW/SSB keyer memories. > > John KK9A > > Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com > Thu Apr 14 20:38:13 EDT 2016 > message: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod > > Done. For most applications, a single USB cable to the radio (K3S, or a K3 > with a KIO3B module) is all that's required for combined computer data and > audio. > > We provide lots of other DC, audio, and digital I/O too, just in case you > need it. For example, we provide a second headphone jack, second mic jack, > and stereo speaker outputs on the back. Just in case. > > No way to get rid of the DC input jack, antenna jack, and ground screw, of > course. > > I suppose the keyer paddle could go to Bluetooth? > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From htodd at twofifty.com Fri Apr 15 12:08:26 2016 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <9A63E7D0-4F40-427E-A9C8-70DBAB1026AE@elecraft.com> References: <9A63E7D0-4F40-427E-A9C8-70DBAB1026AE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: "Simple" you say. Is this another one of those SMD nightmares? :) On Fri, 15 Apr 2016, Wayne Burdick wrote: > The mod is very simple, involving soldering one resistor onto the front panel board. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Apr 15, 2016, at 6:31 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > >> I think that most contest station use a considerable amount of cables in >> back of the rig. I have a Y on my ACC for a MicroHAM device and a Band >> Decoder and am considering adding another Y for amp control. It think that >> it is great if the K-Pod can be run off of a single cable connected >> underneath the K3S. How involved is the radio modification? I can see this >> as a convenient way to use RIT and activate the CW/SSB keyer memories. >> >> John KK9A >> >> Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com >> Thu Apr 14 20:38:13 EDT 2016 >> message: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod >> >> Done. For most applications, a single USB cable to the radio (K3S, or a K3 >> with a KIO3B module) is all that's required for combined computer data and >> audio. >> >> We provide lots of other DC, audio, and digital I/O too, just in case you >> need it. For example, we provide a second headphone jack, second mic jack, >> and stereo speaker outputs on the back. Just in case. >> >> No way to get rid of the DC input jack, antenna jack, and ground screw, of >> course. >> >> I suppose the keyer paddle could go to Bluetooth? -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Apr 15 12:13:30 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:13:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: References: <9A63E7D0-4F40-427E-A9C8-70DBAB1026AE@elecraft.com> Message-ID: You need to solder one end of an 1/8th-watt resistor to an SMD, and the other end to a via nearby. Or you could send it to us to do the work. Or you could power the pod from the radio's 12-V output, or a separate 12-V supply. Powering it from the radio one way or the other is a good idea since the pod itself doesn't have an on-off switch. (It does have an ON indicator LED.) Wayne N6KR On Apr 15, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: > "Simple" you say. Is this another one of those SMD nightmares? :) > > On Fri, 15 Apr 2016, Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> The mod is very simple, involving soldering one resistor onto the front panel board. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> On Apr 15, 2016, at 6:31 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: >> >>> I think that most contest station use a considerable amount of cables in >>> back of the rig. I have a Y on my ACC for a MicroHAM device and a Band >>> Decoder and am considering adding another Y for amp control. It think that >>> it is great if the K-Pod can be run off of a single cable connected >>> underneath the K3S. How involved is the radio modification? I can see this >>> as a convenient way to use RIT and activate the CW/SSB keyer memories. >>> >>> John KK9A >>> >>> Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com >>> Thu Apr 14 20:38:13 EDT 2016 >>> message: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod >>> >>> Done. For most applications, a single USB cable to the radio (K3S, or a K3 >>> with a KIO3B module) is all that's required for combined computer data and >>> audio. >>> >>> We provide lots of other DC, audio, and digital I/O too, just in case you >>> need it. For example, we provide a second headphone jack, second mic jack, >>> and stereo speaker outputs on the back. Just in case. >>> >>> No way to get rid of the DC input jack, antenna jack, and ground screw, of >>> course. >>> >>> I suppose the keyer paddle could go to Bluetooth? > > -- > Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com > BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From dlrwild1 at verizon.net Fri Apr 15 12:23:43 2016 From: dlrwild1 at verizon.net (dlrwild1 at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 12:23:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 accessories for sale Message-ID: I sold my K3/100, but I have several items for sale that I used with the radio. (1) Dust cover by Rose with Elecraft logo $25 with S/H (2) Yamaha CM500 headset for K3/K3S/KX-3 $45 with S/H (3) K3 DC power cable (KPCA-F) brand new still in bag/never used $15 with S/H (4) Array Solutions THP HL-1.5KFX amp to K3/100 for band data and ALC $45 with S/H All items sold as a complete package ASKING: 110.00 with S/H Can also sell individual items. Contact Bob, K3SRO at dlrwild1 at verizon.net All items new or like new condition. From hullspeed21 at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 12:27:45 2016 From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 12:27:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57111681.3000707@gmail.com> Looks right Joe, Not knowing if the K-Pod is a 3.3v versus a 5V device, it is hard to predict. If 3.3v, the 120R on pin 2 could be removed and keep the protection of the BAT54 zener, leaving barely enough voltage for a 3.3V dropout regulator in the Pod. If 5V, shorting the 10K on pin 6 would likely be the route. Since the K-Pod also provides a USB port, my bet is will be a pin 6 modification as it will require 5V to be "normal". What ever the mod, it stands to reason that the guys would try to keep the port operational in it's original purpose as well. Pin 4 (PGD) and Pin 5( PGC) will obviously be for data in the undisclosed format :) Whatever the mod will be, it will involve tiny smd chips... Diagram snip here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24789865/K3_ICD-2_page22_Front_panel_MCU.JPG It looks like a bust to migrate the K-Pod to the KX3, as all of the pins definitions on the internal "ACC" connector are switched all around, not to mention it's a 3.3V setup and the connector isn't brought outside. Would be a more serious modification indeed. Warren, KD4Z > Message: 32 > Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:58:38 -0400 > From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for > K3S and K3 Transceivers > > On 4/15/2016 9:31 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: >> > How involved is the radio modification? I can see this as a >> > convenient way to use RIT and activate the CW/SSB keyer memories. > From looking at the K3 schematic it looks like not much more than > removing a resistor and adding a jumper or perhaps changing a diode. > There are two +5V lines on the RJ-12 jack but one has a 10K current > limiting resistor and the other a diode/120 Ohm resistor. From w1ksz at earthlink.net Fri Apr 15 12:33:19 2016 From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard W. Solomon) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:33:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] k2 continuing on (nothing to lose) In-Reply-To: <002a01d1972c$245795d0$6d06c170$@biz> References: <1460728620042-7616392.post@n2.nabble.com> <002a01d1972c$245795d0$6d06c170$@biz> Message-ID: <001601d19734$8559e650$900db2f0$@net> The two best tools I have found are the HAKKO FX-888D Soldering Station and the HAKKO 808 De-Soldering tool. Not exactly in the RS price range, but if you do a lot of thru-hole board work, well worth the money. I don't do much SMD work although I have a Hot Air system and can solder quite well with the HAKKO. Replacing hole through relays is a snap with the HAKKO 808. The parts just fall off the board. 73, Dick, W1KSZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 8:33 AM To: 'lstavenhagen'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k2 continuing on (nothing to lose) Great news LS. If that RS desoldering tool is like the one I have somewhere in the bottom of my junk box, it is not temperature-controlled and does a wonderful job of delaminating traces from pc boards. It simply gets too hot. That's why mine is where it is... 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of lstavenhagen Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 6:57 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] k2 continuing on (nothing to lose) Hi all, Tnx for all the encouragement and suggestions by PM and on the list on my K2 tragedy. After thinking it over after something to eat I decided I didn't have anything to lose by simply continuing on. My thinking was, ok, this is a learning experience, right? So I figured, ok, let's learn how to remove a component without tearing everything up LOL. If I could get the second ruined relay out without doing more damage to the board, I was ok. I did manage to get the pads back down on the first relay socket and I didn't see that the traces were actually broken. So I carefully threaded the new relay in and soldered it in like normal. Fingers crossed that all the connections are good. As for other relay that I ruined, I robbed a relay out of my KAT2 kit and got out my desoldering iron from Radio Shack. Not the best desoldering tool in the world and it has failed me in the past, but marginally better than desoldering braid and nothing else and went to work. After sucking out as much solder as I could on the pins, I flush cut them as far down as I could go and went over the pads again with the iron and braid. Fortunately, this relay came out easily after cutting it in half on the topside with the wire cutters. No damage to the board. At that point, I was cooking with gas and decided to install L33 and the remaining diodes. That put me at the alignment part II stage. By about 10pm last night I'd complete the receiver alignment and all those circuits checked out virtually perfect. So the RX is intact and receiving on 40M. I hear relays click when I go through the bands - the 20m bandpass filter is where I did all the damage and replaced the relays, so maybe they're hooked up and working right. Anyway, at this point, since the RX is fine and working normally as far as I can tell, I think I should just go ahead with the rest of the build and see what happens on 20M when it's done. Like Wayne suggested, if there does end up a problem on 20M at the end, I can probably just run wires on the bottom of the board to hook it all up. It'll do me good to go back to the schematic anyway lol. So onwards with the build and hope the rescue effort succeeds hi hi. Tnx es 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k2-continuing-on-nothing-to-lose-tp7616 392.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Apr 15 12:38:54 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 08:38:54 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: "Octopus's Garden" Message-ID: <201604151639.u3FGdrGl031189@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Try interconnecting K3 and KX3 to support 17 ham bands from 600 meters to 10-GHz! http://www.kl7uw.com/station%20layout.htm Note the station block diagram (scroll down a page). Then scroll down to the photos (circa 2010). This is an "octopus's garden"! Wall plate for cable ingress has 10 N-connectors and 11 UHF connectors and about as many control lines exiting the station. There are more than 17 antenna. Only half the stuff was installed in 2010. Feel free to roam the website which will show you more of "my stuff". Most of you aren't even close to an "octopus" ;-) 73, Ed - KL7UW PS: Plans now to build onto the 24x28 foot garage a 26x18 foot ham shack (all wiring will have to be re-run- ugh). On 4/14/16 8:22 PM, Barry Jablonski wrote: > In the software world it's called spaghetti code -- _in the hardware > world it's an octopus's garden. _ 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Apr 15 12:54:38 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:54:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for K3S and K3 Transceivers In-Reply-To: <57111681.3000707@gmail.com> References: <57111681.3000707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <74A3FF66-006E-413E-A014-FED334B4A58A@elecraft.com> The modification will involve *only* pin 6 of the RJ jack. Everything else must remain the same since we use that port for firmware emulation. No SMDs need be removed or added in this mod. Just one added 1/8th-watt resistor. Wayne N6KR On Apr 15, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Warren Merkel wrote: > Looks right Joe, > > Not knowing if the K-Pod is a 3.3v versus a 5V device, it is hard to > predict. If 3.3v, the 120R on pin 2 could be removed and keep the > protection of the BAT54 zener, leaving barely enough voltage for a 3.3V > dropout regulator in the Pod. If 5V, shorting the 10K on pin 6 would > likely be the route. Since the K-Pod also provides a USB port, my bet > is will be a pin 6 modification as it will require 5V to be "normal". > > What ever the mod, it stands to reason that the guys would try to keep > the port operational in it's original purpose as well. > > Pin 4 (PGD) and Pin 5( PGC) will obviously be for data in the > undisclosed format :) > > Whatever the mod will be, it will involve tiny smd chips... > > Diagram snip here: > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24789865/K3_ICD-2_page22_Front_panel_MCU.JPG > > It looks like a bust to migrate the K-Pod to the KX3, as all of the pins > definitions on the internal "ACC" connector are switched all around, not > to mention it's a 3.3V setup and the connector isn't brought outside. > Would be a more serious modification indeed. > > Warren, KD4Z > > >> Message: 32 >> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:58:38 -0400 >> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Product: K-Pod Control Panel for >> K3S and K3 Transceivers >> >> On 4/15/2016 9:31 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: >>>> How involved is the radio modification? I can see this as a >>>> convenient way to use RIT and activate the CW/SSB keyer memories. >> From looking at the K3 schematic it looks like not much more than >> removing a resistor and adding a jumper or perhaps changing a diode. >> There are two +5V lines on the RJ-12 jack but one has a 10K current >> limiting resistor and the other a diode/120 Ohm resistor. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From jimfinan at att.net Fri Apr 15 13:24:48 2016 From: jimfinan at att.net (Jim Finan) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 13:24:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k2 continuing on (nothing to lose) In-Reply-To: <001601d19734$8559e650$900db2f0$@net> References: <1460728620042-7616392.post@n2.nabble.com> <002a01d1972c$245795d0$6d06c170$@biz> <001601d19734$8559e650$900db2f0$@net> Message-ID: <20160415172448.5869650.12972.36381@att.net> I concur with the recommendation for a Hakko Desoldering tool. The Hakko 808 has been discontinued but I bought the Hakko FR-300 (the new and 'improved' version). ?I use Weller solder stations but the Hakko FR-300 saved my bacon.? I had just soldered a DIP IC in backwards (completely pilot error) and following suggestions from the list I bought the new version to try to save the DIP IC. All I did was add a bit of solder where the solder braid had partially removed it and desoldered each pin in order - the DIP IC lifted out.? I didn't have to sacrifice the IC or the board. As I recall the FR-300 was about $260 from Amazon.? This list has helped me on more than one occasion and I'd like to thank those who participate. Jim?Finan AB4AC? Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. ? Original Message ? From: Richard W. Solomon Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 12:34 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k2 continuing on (nothing to lose) The two best tools I have found are the HAKKO FX-888D Soldering Station and the HAKKO 808 De-Soldering tool. Not exactly in the RS price range, but if you do a lot of thru-hole board work, well worth the money. I don't do much SMD work although I have a Hot Air system and can solder quite well with the HAKKO. Replacing hole through relays is a snap with the HAKKO 808. The parts just fall off the board. 73, Dick, W1KSZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 8:33 AM To: 'lstavenhagen'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k2 continuing on (nothing to lose) Great news LS. If that RS desoldering tool is like the one I have somewhere in the bottom of my junk box, it is not temperature-controlled and does a wonderful job of delaminating traces from pc boards. It simply gets too hot. That's why mine is where it is... 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of lstavenhagen Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 6:57 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] k2 continuing on (nothing to lose) Hi all, Tnx for all the encouragement and suggestions by PM and on the list on my K2 tragedy. After thinking it over after something to eat I decided I didn't have anything to lose by simply continuing on. My thinking was, ok, this is a learning experience, right? So I figured, ok, let's learn how to remove a component without tearing everything up LOL. If I could get the second ruined relay out without doing more damage to the board, I was ok. I did manage to get the pads back down on the first relay socket and I didn't see that the traces were actually broken. So I carefully threaded the new relay in and soldered it in like normal. Fingers crossed that all the connections are good. As for other relay that I ruined, I robbed a relay out of my KAT2 kit and got out my desoldering iron from Radio Shack. Not the best desoldering tool in the world and it has failed me in the past, but marginally better than desoldering braid and nothing else and went to work. After sucking out as much solder as I could on the pins, I flush cut them as far down as I could go and went over the pads again with the iron and braid. Fortunately, this relay came out easily after cutting it in half on the topside with the wire cutters. No damage to the board. At that point, I was cooking with gas and decided to install L33 and the remaining diodes. That put me at the alignment part II stage. By about 10pm last night I'd complete the receiver alignment and all those circuits checked out virtually perfect. So the RX is intact and receiving on 40M. I hear relays click when I go through the bands - the 20m bandpass filter is where I did all the damage and replaced the relays, so maybe they're hooked up and working right. Anyway, at this point, since the RX is fine and working normally as far as I can tell, I think I should just go ahead with the rest of the build and see what happens on 20M when it's done. Like Wayne suggested, if there does end up a problem on 20M at the end, I can probably just run wires on the bottom of the board to hook it all up. It'll do me good to go back to the schematic anyway lol. So onwards with the build and hope the rescue effort succeeds hi hi. Tnx es 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k2-continuing-on-nothing-to-lose-tp7616 392.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w1ksz at earthlink.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimfinan at att.net From pfizenmayer at q.com Fri Apr 15 13:26:03 2016 From: pfizenmayer at q.com (HankP) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 13:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 sound recording In-Reply-To: <1460727524.31718.102.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <1007511830.1958050.1460741163639.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> I do this too - BUT have not figured a way to record the SUB rx output at same time unless I made some sort of external circuit xfmr or resistors to feed LINE OUT tip and ring to a single input Maybe there is something I am missing ? This would also allow decoding RTTY from either MAIN or SUB rx . ??? Hank K7HP ----- Original Message ----- > I routinely do this... Works great for me... I use a different > program called i-sound. It has a small footprint and works well... > -- > 73's, and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) > > Here's the question: For my K3, if I connect a line between the K3 > > LINE OUT and the PC's LINE IN, will I be able to record > > (using software such as Audacity) all audio present in my K3 > > speaker > or headphones? I want to record CW and > > SSB contest QSOs, to illustrate my contesting techniques. > > > > Thanks, Mike Goldstein VE3GFN > > ______________________________________________________________ From hlyingst at yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 13:53:10 2016 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 17:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] k2 continuing on (nothing to lose) In-Reply-To: <1460728620042-7616392.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460728620042-7616392.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <652541079.1084322.1460742790468.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I have used clear nail polish over the lifted traces oncethey?have been re-soldered to hold and protect them. I'm glad to hear you tackled it again with a clearer head. From: lstavenhagen To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 9:57 AM Subject: [Elecraft] k2 continuing on (nothing to lose) Hi all, Tnx for all the encouragement and suggestions by PM and on the list on my K2 tragedy. After thinking it over after something to eat I decided I didn't have anything to lose by simply continuing on. My thinking was, ok, this is a learning experience, right? So I figured, ok, let's learn how to remove a component without tearing everything up LOL. If I could get the second ruined relay out without doing more damage to the board, I was ok. I did manage to get the pads back down on the first relay socket and I didn't see that the traces were actually broken. So I carefully threaded the new relay in and soldered it in like normal. Fingers crossed that all the connections are good. As for other relay that I ruined, I robbed a relay out of my KAT2 kit and got out my desoldering iron from Radio Shack. Not the best desoldering tool in the world and it has failed me in the past, but marginally better than desoldering braid and nothing else and went to work. After sucking out as much solder as I could on the pins, I flush cut them as far down as I could go and went over the pads again with the iron and braid. Fortunately, this relay came out easily after cutting it in half on the topside with the wire cutters. No damage to the board. At that point, I was cooking with gas and decided to install L33 and the remaining diodes. That put me at the alignment part II stage. By about 10pm last night I'd complete the receiver alignment and all those circuits checked out virtually perfect. So the RX is intact and receiving on 40M. I hear relays click when I go through the bands - the 20m bandpass filter is where I did all the damage and replaced the relays, so maybe they're hooked up and working right. Anyway, at this point, since the RX is fine and working normally as far as I can tell, I think I should just go ahead with the rest of the build and see what happens on 20M when it's done. Like Wayne suggested, if there does end up a problem on 20M at the end, I can probably just run wires on the bottom of the board to hook it all up. It'll do me good to go back to the schematic anyway lol. So onwards with the build and hope the rescue effort succeeds hi hi. Tnx es 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/k2-continuing-on-nothing-to-lose-tp7616392.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From hlyingst at yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 13:57:06 2016 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 17:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Two radios on the KPA500? References: <1115727644.1107018.1460743026021.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1115727644.1107018.1460743026021.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> What would be an easy way to run two radios (a K3 and a generic radio) with the KPA500 Putting an manual switch on the input to the KPA 500 is easy enough, but what aboutthe accessory cable that runs to the K3 and the Key line from the generic radio? Thank you From k0dxv at aol.com Fri Apr 15 14:34:19 2016 From: k0dxv at aol.com (Doug Person) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 12:34:19 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 total loss In-Reply-To: <531927623.544431.1460689055949.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1460665558836-7616361.post@n2.nabble.com> <531927623.544431.1460689055949.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5711342B.90804@aol.com> Ditto that. Don is the consummate professional and has solved some of the most mystifying problems for me. All while being very reasonable. And Ditto on the Hakko desoldering tools. Either the 808 or the new FR-300 are practically worth their weight in gold. I still use my K2 and it is still a marvelous radio. I built 3 of them. Just because they were a joy to build. Nothing like the K2 anywhere anymore. Doug -- K0DXV On 4/14/16 8:57 PM, Johnny Siu via Elecraft wrote: > You need also a proper desoldering tool. If still no luck, pass it to Don W3FPR as suggested by Wayne. Don guided me for a number of K2 repairs in the past. > 73 > Johnny VR2XMC > > ???? lstavenhagen > ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net > ????? 2016?04?15? (??) 4:25 AM > ??? Re: [Elecraft] K2 total loss > > Hi Wayne, > Ah, ok, well... let me take another look, then. This is in the bandpass > filter so didn't know how critical this was... > > Tnx es 73, > LS > W5QD > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com From fcady at montana.edu Fri Apr 15 14:40:41 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 18:40:41 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 sound recording In-Reply-To: <1007511830.1958050.1460741163639.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1460727524.31718.102.camel@nk7z.net>, <1007511830.1958050.1460741163639.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: Have a look at the sound card's Microphone properties and then click Advanced. You will probably be able to select a two channel input if a one channel input is currently selected. Cheers, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of HankP Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 11:26 AM To: dave at nk7z.net Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 sound recording I do this too - BUT have not figured a way to record the SUB rx output at same time unless I made some sort of external circuit xfmr or resistors to feed LINE OUT tip and ring to a single input Maybe there is something I am missing ? This would also allow decoding RTTY from either MAIN or SUB rx . ??? Hank K7HP ----- Original Message ----- > I routinely do this... Works great for me... I use a different > program called i-sound. It has a small footprint and works well... > -- > 73's, and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z) > > Here's the question: For my K3, if I connect a line between the K3 > > LINE OUT and the PC's LINE IN, will I be able to record > > (using software such as Audacity) all audio present in my K3 > > speaker > or headphones? I want to record CW and > > SSB contest QSOs, to illustrate my contesting techniques. > > > > Thanks, Mike Goldstein VE3GFN > > ______________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From ve3iay at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 14:40:47 2016 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 14:40:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 sound recording Message-ID: Unless I am missing something in your description, the only hardware you need is a single stereo patch cable (one with 3.5 mm stereo plugs on both ends) from the stereo Line Out jack on the K3 to the stereo Line In jack on a standard 2-channel sound card. If your sound card has only a mono input, use a different sound card (one with stereo inputs). In the Windows setup for the sound card, make sure it is configured for two channels. The main RX audio will be recorded in the left channel and the subRX audio will be recorded in the right channel of the stereo recording. Transmit monitor audio will appear in both channels. On playback through headphones, you will hear the main RX in your left ear and the subRX in your right ear. For dual-RX RTTY with the identical hardware, run two separate copies of your RTTY program(s), one copy configured to use the left channel of the sound card (for the main RX) and the other copy configured to use the right channel of the same sound card (for the subRX). 73, Rich VE3KI K7HP wrote: I [...] have not figured a way to record the SUB rx output at same time unless I made some sort of external circuit xfmr or resistors to feed LINE OUT tip and ring to a single input Maybe there is something I am missing ? This would also allow decoding RTTY from either MAIN or SUB rx . ??? From ron at cobi.biz Fri Apr 15 14:48:04 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 11:48:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Two radios on the KPA500? In-Reply-To: <1115727644.1107018.1460743026021.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1115727644.1107018.1460743026021.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1115727644.1107018.1460743026021.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01d19747$584f01a0$08ed04e0$@biz> If you try to use the "enhanced" cabling setup in the Owner's manual that uses the accessory cable, the K3 will control which band the KPA500 is on. I'd use the basic cabling setup shown on page 11, switching both the RF and key line cables. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Harry Yingst via Elecraft Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:57 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Two radios on the KPA500? What would be an easy way to run two radios (a K3 and a generic radio) with the KPA500 Putting an manual switch on the input to the KPA 500 is easy enough, but what aboutthe accessory cable that runs to the K3 and the Key line from the generic radio? Thank you ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Apr 15 18:08:25 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 18:08:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 sound recording In-Reply-To: <1007511830.1958050.1460741163639.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1007511830.1958050.1460741163639.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: How about a "Splitter" used backwards? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 15, 2016, at 1:26 PM, HankP wrote: > > I do this too - BUT have not figured a way to record the SUB rx output at same time unless I made some sort of external circuit xfmr or resistors to feed LINE OUT tip and ring to a single input Maybe there is something I am missing ? This would also allow decoding RTTY from either MAIN or SUB rx . ??? Hank K7HP ----- Original Message ----- >> I routinely do this... Works great for me... I use a different >> program called i-sound. It has a small footprint and works well... >> -- >> 73's, and thanks, >> Dave (NK7Z) >>> Here's the question: For my K3, if I connect a line between the K3 >>> LINE OUT and the PC's LINE IN, will I be able to record >>> (using software such as Audacity) all audio present in my K3 >>> speaker > or headphones? I want to record CW and >>> SSB contest QSOs, to illustrate my contesting techniques. >>> >>> Thanks, Mike Goldstein VE3GFN >>> ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nf4l at comcast.net Fri Apr 15 18:55:20 2016 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 18:55:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Software testing Message-ID: I've written a settings saver for the K3. It should work on the K3S, but I don't have one to test it on. The program reads every Menu and Config setting that's readable, and stores it in a file. You can read a second radio and compare the settings side-by-side. The program puts the radio into Tech Mode, and switches between SSB and CW. The program DOES NOT load settings back into the radio, and I have no plans to have it do so. I'm looking for some hardy testers. If interested contact me off list, using [K3Config] in the subject. Please let me know your operating system(Windows XP thru Win10), your MCU version, and whether you have the sub receiver. I need both K3 and K3S users. 73, Mike NF4L From merlebone at charter.net Fri Apr 15 19:12:31 2016 From: merlebone at charter.net (Merle Bone) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 18:12:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S Message-ID: I tried to load my current K3 configuration into my new K3S and got an error message saying the serial number did not match. Is there a reasonable way to load an older K3 configuration into a new K3S? Thanks, Merle - W0EWM From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Apr 15 19:59:20 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 19:59:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E729550-F6B2-49DA-9D64-6CF427F46149@widomaker.com> NO. FOR GOOD REASON. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 15, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Merle Bone wrote: > > I tried to load my current K3 configuration into my new K3S and got an > error message saying the serial number did not match. Is there > a reasonable way to load an older K3 configuration into a new > K3S? > Thanks, > Merle - W0EWM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Apr 15 20:46:17 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 17:46:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S In-Reply-To: <8E729550-F6B2-49DA-9D64-6CF427F46149@widomaker.com> References: <8E729550-F6B2-49DA-9D64-6CF427F46149@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <4F72BB04-D258-4730-B119-B7068178D55D@wunderwood.org> The configuration includes all the calibration data that is specific to each radio. If you loaded another radio?s config, you would need to do all the calibration over again. That seems like a very good reason to me. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Apr 15, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Nr4c wrote: > > NO. FOR GOOD REASON. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Apr 15, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Merle Bone wrote: >> >> I tried to load my current K3 configuration into my new K3S and got an >> error message saying the serial number did not match. Is there >> a reasonable way to load an older K3 configuration into a new >> K3S? >> Thanks, >> Merle - W0EWM >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From ab2tc at arrl.net Fri Apr 15 20:47:04 2016 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 17:47:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 sound recording In-Reply-To: References: <20160415021140.11A49185B5F@smtp-auth05.pathcom.com> <1460727524.31718.102.camel@nk7z.net> <1007511830.1958050.1460741163639.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <1460767624949-7616418.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, An audio splitters is just a plain T junction and can not be used in reverse. That will probably just produce lots of distortion as the the low impedance audio sources are fighting each other. What K7HP is suggesting, however, using a pair of resistors to form a summing junction from the two outputs should work but will of course involve a little bit of home brewing. AB2TC - Knut Nr4c wrote > How about a "Splitter" used backwards? > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Apr 15, 2016, at 1:26 PM, HankP < > pfizenmayer@ > > wrote: >> >> I do this too - BUT have not figured a way to record the SUB rx output at >> same time unless I made some sort of external circuit xfmr or resistors >> to feed LINE OUT tip and ring to a single input Maybe there is something >> I am missing ? This would also allow decoding RTTY from either MAIN or >> SUB rx . ??? Hank K7HP ----- Original Message ----- > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-sound-recording-tp7616378p7616418.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sbralr at cox.net Fri Apr 15 21:04:07 2016 From: sbralr at cox.net (Steve & Anne Ray) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 21:04:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB Monitor Message-ID: <000601d1977b$e102e550$a308aff0$@net> While not exactly what you are looking for in monitoring your output signal, this is the way I set up my audio on my K2. This was published back in May 2009 in QST Hints and Kinks. Many of the new rigs have the capability for one to listen to transmitted audio, for setting up levels, compression etc. The problem is that listening to your audio, while speaking it is difficult to comprehend differences in settings. I simply use my PSK31 interface to record into the sound recorder of my computer and then play it back. This eliminates the problem of speaking and listening at the same time. When I do this I actually state into the recording the various levels I have the compression etc set at, then reset them at another value and make another recording. Then play back the recordings. This permits me to listen to the audio files and know what is going out on the air, with different audio levels and settings. The PSK31 interface is also useful when someone asks how their audio sounds. Simply record it into the sound recorder and play it back for them using the PSK31 interface. I often do this and then Email them the file, that way they are hearing exactly what I heard with out the effect of my rigs audio on the recorded audio I play back. 73, Steve K4JPN From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Apr 15 22:56:17 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 02:56:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 and KAT2 Message-ID: A question for those who have the K2/100 --- I finished building and am now becoming familiar with operating the K2/100 and the KAT100-1. It?s a great combination; but for portable work it?s heavy and there are two boxes. At the time I bought it I did not purchase the KAT2 ? the internal low power tuner. My questions have to do with having both the KAT2 and the 100W amp. Installed at the same time. I tried investigating this in the manuals but for some reason the link to the online KAT2 manual isn?t working tonight. Two questions. First, is there a physical space problem if a K2 has the 100W option, and the KNB2, and the APF/Clock option ,and the KAT2, or can the KAT2 stay on board even when the 100W amp is in place? Second, does the system switch automatically from the KAT2 to the outboard KAT100-1 when the amp is in (or when the power exceeds the KAT2?s limit?) What I mean to be asking is whether having the KAT2 inside will complicate the process of removing the amp to go ?barefoot? with the base K2. As it stands now it?s six screws twice, five plugs, and no configuration changes. Does having a KAT2 on board add anything to that? Thanks in advance . . . Ted, KN1CBR From mike.walkington at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 23:34:50 2016 From: mike.walkington at gmail.com (Mike Walkington) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 13:34:50 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset PTT Options In-Reply-To: <570F7260.6020807@gmail.com> References: <570F7260.6020807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5711B2DA.4070104@gmail.com> All, At the risk of this request being lost in the euphoric response to the K3 K-Pod..... I'm wondering what options you might be using / prefer to provide the PTT function for a K3S connected headset. I know options including (1) VOX, (2) PTT button on an alternative plugged in microphone, (3) PTT pickle switch, (4) PTT foot switch. What about your preference for enabling several (ie pickle and foot switch) of these in parallel Mike VK1OO From b.denley at comcast.net Fri Apr 15 23:36:15 2016 From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 23:36:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 and KAT2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A2863E0-B44A-4FED-8A74-17452418C6E2@comcast.net> Ted: You might look into building the K2/100 in the 'Twins' configuration. To switch from 100 watts to qrp just requires disconnection the power amp box. This configuration allows the KAT2 to be used along with the high power tuner. I built mine that way and it works very well. Brian KB1VBF Sent from my iPad > On Apr 15, 2016, at 10:56 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > A question for those who have the K2/100 --- > > I finished building and am now becoming familiar with operating the K2/100 and the KAT100-1. It?s a great combination; but for portable work it?s heavy and there are two boxes. At the time I bought it I did not purchase the KAT2 ? the internal low power tuner. My questions have to do with having both the KAT2 and the 100W amp. Installed at the same time. I tried investigating this in the manuals but for some reason the link to the online KAT2 manual isn?t working tonight. > > Two questions. First, is there a physical space problem if a K2 has the 100W option, and the KNB2, and the APF/Clock option ,and the KAT2, or can the KAT2 stay on board even when the 100W amp is in place? Second, does the system switch automatically from the KAT2 to the outboard KAT100-1 when the amp is in (or when the power exceeds the KAT2?s limit?) What I mean to be asking is whether having the KAT2 inside will complicate the process of removing the amp to go ?barefoot? with the base K2. As it stands now it?s six screws twice, five plugs, and no configuration changes. Does having a KAT2 on board add anything to that? > > Thanks in advance . . . > > Ted, KN1CBR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to b.denley at comcast.net From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Sat Apr 16 00:24:40 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 21:24:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 and KAT2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1460780680849-7616423.post@n2.nabble.com> I researched this at one point also, and I believe you can't have them in there at the same time. There's not room for the KAT2 and the KPA100 both in the same top cover and I don't believe it'll even work electrically. So you're pretty much stuck with one or the other and an external tuner in the case of the K2/100. If I go QRO, I'm soon to have 4 10W rigs so I'm looking at the KXPA100 with a tuner in it. And just using that with all the rigs, one at a time of course. For my K2's, that'll involve putting in a keying circuit and of course that's going to be the 2-boxes thing when I go /p. Haven't definitely decided on it, but that may be the most economical option for me. 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-100-and-KAT2-tp7616420p7616423.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mike at mdodd.com Sat Apr 16 08:30:44 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 08:30:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset PTT Options In-Reply-To: <5711B2DA.4070104@gmail.com> References: <570F7260.6020807@gmail.com> <5711B2DA.4070104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57123074.1080804@mdodd.com> On 4/15/2016 11:34 PM, Mike Walkington wrote: > > All, > > (4) PTT foot switch. What about your > preference for enabling several (ie pickle and foot switch) of these in > parallel I use (4) PTT foot switch. I don't understand your "in parallel" question. I have one foot switch plugged into the K3's rear panel PTT jack, and use it for the Heil GM-5 plugged into the MIC connector on the front panel, and for the Yamaha CM500 headset plugged into the rear panel MIC and PHONES jacks. The headphones are always on, but I can't hear the audio because the phones are clapped together while the speaker is on. I switch mics with MENU: MIC SEL, which also sets the high/low gain selection and mic bias on/off. The Heil mic cable originally was for a Yaesu plug (I think), but I diked-off the RJ connector, and installed a round Kenwood-style plug to match the K3's jack. I did not install a 1/4" phone jack near the round plug because the foot switch is plugged into the rear panel, and the GM-5's PTT button works without it. Now, why did you ask about PTT devices in parallel? -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft K3s/100 Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From lists at subich.com Sat Apr 16 08:55:07 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 08:55:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset PTT Options In-Reply-To: <5711B2DA.4070104@gmail.com> References: <570F7260.6020807@gmail.com> <5711B2DA.4070104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5712362B.4020800@subich.com> > What about your preference for enabling several (ie pickle and foot > switch) of these in parallel I use both a foot switch and a hand switch (PTT switch from an old Telex headset) in parallel. Both have RCA connectors and I use a "Y" cable to connect them to the PTT jack on the back of the K3. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/15/2016 11:34 PM, Mike Walkington wrote: > > All, > > At the risk of this request being lost in the euphoric response to the > K3 K-Pod..... I'm wondering what options you might be using / prefer to > provide the PTT function for a K3S connected headset. I know options > including (1) VOX, (2) PTT button on an alternative plugged in > microphone, (3) PTT pickle switch, (4) PTT foot switch. What about your > preference for enabling several (ie pickle and foot switch) of these in > parallel > > Mike VK1OO > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sat Apr 16 09:15:29 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 09:15:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S In-Reply-To: <4F72BB04-D258-4730-B119-B7068178D55D@wunderwood.org> References: <4F72BB04-D258-4730-B119-B7068178D55D@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <57123AF1.5060504@nycap.rr.com> Thank you Walter for the explanation. Now I understand why it cannot be done. Bill W2BLC K-Line From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sat Apr 16 10:01:05 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 09:01:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 and KAT2 In-Reply-To: <1460780680849-7616423.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460780680849-7616423.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <571245A1.6030800@mediacombb.net> I'm going to be doing the KPA100 and KAT100-1 in the EC2 enclosure or K2 "Twins" and then look at the T-1 outboard tuner for any QRP wild hairs I get. On 4/15/2016 11:24 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: > I researched this at one point also, and I believe you can't have them in > there at the same time. There's not room for the KAT2 and the KPA100 both in > the same top cover and I don't believe it'll even work electrically. > > So you're pretty much stuck with one or the other and an external tuner in > the case of the K2/100. > > If I go QRO, I'm soon to have 4 10W rigs so I'm looking at the KXPA100 with > a tuner in it. And just using that with all the rigs, one at a time of > course. For my K2's, that'll involve putting in a keying circuit and of > course that's going to be the 2-boxes thing when I go /p. > > Haven't definitely decided on it, but that may be the most economical option > for me. > > 73, > LS > W5QD > > > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From daleputnam at hotmail.com Sat Apr 16 10:27:35 2016 From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 14:27:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 and KAT2 In-Reply-To: References: <1460780680849-7616423.post@n2.nabble.com>, <571245A1.6030800@mediacombb.net>, Message-ID: I currently have my K2-100 sitting on top of the KAT100... works fine. I also have a qrp lid for the K2 with its tuner. As soon as I can get an EC2, it will become, a K2 with qrp tuner, and a KPA100 with KAT100.. and a digital K2 alongside. Then I plan to do qrp portable or mobile... and .. well.. whose kidding who.. qrp at the house too.. but the EC2 will look great between the two, right? Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy From vwracer23 at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 10:40:29 2016 From: vwracer23 at gmail.com (Kurt Cramer) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 07:40:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 and KAT2 In-Reply-To: <8A2863E0-B44A-4FED-8A74-17452418C6E2@comcast.net> References: <8A2863E0-B44A-4FED-8A74-17452418C6E2@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8472C4FA-1573-412C-91E0-4AFD3AC509E5@gmail.com> You guys are making this too hard. The 20 watt tunner mounts in the QRP K2 top. When you take off the QRP top off to put on the 100 watt amp the QRP tunner has gone away. I have both tunners and it is no problem going back and forth. The 100 watt runner has places for the K2?s feet to fit into on it?s top. So the K2 and tunner stay togeather. But the K2 will lift off. I made some side plates out of aluminum that go under both the K2?s sides and the tunner?s sides. Now if I pick-up the K2 the tunner comes with it. Kurt/W7QHD > On Apr 15, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Brian Denley wrote: > > Ted: > You might look into building the K2/100 in the 'Twins' configuration. To switch from 100 watts to qrp just requires disconnection the power amp box. This configuration allows the KAT2 to be used along with the high power tuner. I built mine that way and it works very well. > > Brian > KB1VBF > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 15, 2016, at 10:56 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> >> A question for those who have the K2/100 --- >> >> I finished building and am now becoming familiar with operating the K2/100 and the KAT100-1. It?s a great combination; but for portable work it?s heavy and there are two boxes. At the time I bought it I did not purchase the KAT2 ? the internal low power tuner. My questions have to do with having both the KAT2 and the 100W amp. Installed at the same time. I tried investigating this in the manuals but for some reason the link to the online KAT2 manual isn?t working tonight. >> >> Two questions. First, is there a physical space problem if a K2 has the 100W option, and the KNB2, and the APF/Clock option ,and the KAT2, or can the KAT2 stay on board even when the 100W amp is in place? Second, does the system switch automatically from the KAT2 to the outboard KAT100-1 when the amp is in (or when the power exceeds the KAT2?s limit?) What I mean to be asking is whether having the KAT2 inside will complicate the process of removing the amp to go ?barefoot? with the base K2. As it stands now it?s six screws twice, five plugs, and no configuration changes. Does having a KAT2 on board add anything to that? >> >> Thanks in advance . . . >> >> Ted, KN1CBR >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to b.denley at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vwracer23 at gmail.com From MyFord at nc.rr.com Sat Apr 16 11:27:53 2016 From: MyFord at nc.rr.com (MyFord at nc.rr.com) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 11:27:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Antenna Questions Message-ID: I purchased my first Elecraft radio, which is a K2. It has the auto antenner tuner, and some other options. I have ant 1, ant 2, where tuner is and also antenna 50 ohm, and RCV Ant jack. I have a couple antennas that I do not want to use tuner with, and was wondering which jack to use and then how to select it. I am in the process of loading pictures of my K2, outside shot and inside shots, onto my QRZ page. Please look and tell me what options I have too. I think I have 160 addition, serial connector, antenna tuner, internal battery, and I don't know what else. Thank you Steve KI4EZL From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Apr 16 11:47:34 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:47:34 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 and KAT2 In-Reply-To: <8472C4FA-1573-412C-91E0-4AFD3AC509E5@gmail.com> References: <8A2863E0-B44A-4FED-8A74-17452418C6E2@comcast.net> <8472C4FA-1573-412C-91E0-4AFD3AC509E5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2CD4C1DD-DD96-4B0B-8621-18B60F62FA6E@law.du.edu> I have the same at present, though with self-adhesive Velcro (the GA pilot?s best friend.) Horizontal trips on each side of the K2 and the KAT100-1, and two short vertical strips mated to each side to hold the two boxes together. Knowing that the KAT2 mounts in the base K2 cover makes it all make sense; I was unable to access the KAT2 manual to see that last night. Another possibility for a quick conversion to QRPis to move both the KAT100 and the KPA100 to an EC-2 enclosure and install the KAT2 in the base K2. I have seen references in the archives to the possibility of doing that conversion, but they leave a number of questions open. Once the KPA100 is installed in the K2, is it possible to move it over to an EC-2 with the KAT100? If so, is there a procedure published somewhere? Ted, KN1CBR On 4/16/16, 8:40 AM, "Kurt Cramer" wrote: >You guys are making this too hard. The 20 watt tunner mounts in the QRP >K2 top. When you take off the QRP top off to put on the 100 watt amp the >QRP tunner has gone away. I have both tunners and it is no problem going >back and forth. The 100 watt runner has places for the K2?s feet to fit >into on it?s top. So the K2 and tunner stay togeather. But the K2 will >lift off. I made some side plates out of aluminum that go under both the >K2?s sides and the tunner?s sides. Now if I pick-up the K2 the tunner >comes with it. > >Kurt/W7QHD >> On Apr 15, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Brian Denley wrote: >> >> Ted: >> You might look into building the K2/100 in the 'Twins' configuration. >>To switch from 100 watts to qrp just requires disconnection the power >>amp box. This configuration allows the KAT2 to be used along with the >>high power tuner. I built mine that way and it works very well. >> >> Brian >> KB1VBF >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 10:56 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>> >>> A question for those who have the K2/100 --- >>> >>> I finished building and am now becoming familiar with operating the >>>K2/100 and the KAT100-1. It?s a great combination; but for portable >>>work it?s heavy and there are two boxes. At the time I bought it I did >>>not purchase the KAT2 ? the internal low power tuner. My questions >>>have to do with having both the KAT2 and the 100W amp. Installed at the >>>same time. I tried investigating this in the manuals but for some >>>reason the link to the online KAT2 manual isn?t working tonight. >>> >>> Two questions. First, is there a physical space problem if a K2 has >>>the 100W option, and the KNB2, and the APF/Clock option ,and the KAT2, >>>or can the KAT2 stay on board even when the 100W amp is in place? >>>Second, does the system switch automatically from the KAT2 to the >>>outboard KAT100-1 when the amp is in (or when the power exceeds the >>>KAT2?s limit?) What I mean to be asking is whether having the KAT2 >>>inside will complicate the process of removing the amp to go ?barefoot? >>>with the base K2. As it stands now it?s six screws twice, five plugs, >>>and no configuration changes. Does having a KAT2 on board add anything >>>to that? >>> >>> Thanks in advance . . . >>> >>> Ted, KN1CBR >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to b.denley at comcast.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vwracer23 at gmail.com > From rheming1 at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 16 12:07:48 2016 From: rheming1 at sbcglobal.net (Richard W Hemingway) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 16:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Power pins on P3 References: <328714764.1433301.1460822868200.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <328714764.1433301.1460822868200.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I am wondering which of the pins I should use to allow the P3 turn on when the K3s is turned on: Power Control Pins 2 & 3 or Pins 1 & 2, (where the Power switch is disabled).Thanks,?Dick, N5XRD? From daleputnam at hotmail.com Sat Apr 16 12:14:54 2016 From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 16:14:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 and KAT2 In-Reply-To: <2CD4C1DD-DD96-4B0B-8621-18B60F62FA6E@law.du.edu> References: <8A2863E0-B44A-4FED-8A74-17452418C6E2@comcast.net> <8472C4FA-1573-412C-91E0-4AFD3AC509E5@gmail.com>, <2CD4C1DD-DD96-4B0B-8621-18B60F62FA6E@law.du.edu> Message-ID: Hi Ed, Yes, if the KPA100 and the KAT100 are mounted in the EC2 the qrp K2 can have the qrp tuner also. Then it is a matter of what you tell it to do by how it is connected. Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Dauer, Edward Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:47 AM To: Kurt Cramer; Brian Denley Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2/100 and KAT2 I have the same at present, though with self-adhesive Velcro (the GA pilot?s best friend.) Horizontal trips on each side of the K2 and the KAT100-1, and two short vertical strips mated to each side to hold the two boxes together. Knowing that the KAT2 mounts in the base K2 cover makes it all make sense; I was unable to access the KAT2 manual to see that last night. Another possibility for a quick conversion to QRPis to move both the KAT100 and the KPA100 to an EC-2 enclosure and install the KAT2 in the base K2. I have seen references in the archives to the possibility of doing that conversion, but they leave a number of questions open. Once the KPA100 is installed in the K2, is it possible to move it over to an EC-2 with the KAT100? If so, is there a procedure published somewhere? Ted, KN1CBR On 4/16/16, 8:40 AM, "Kurt Cramer" wrote: >You guys are making this too hard. The 20 watt tunner mounts in the QRP >K2 top. When you take off the QRP top off to put on the 100 watt amp the >QRP tunner has gone away. I have both tunners and it is no problem going >back and forth. The 100 watt runner has places for the K2?s feet to fit >into on it?s top. So the K2 and tunner stay togeather. But the K2 will >lift off. I made some side plates out of aluminum that go under both the >K2?s sides and the tunner?s sides. Now if I pick-up the K2 the tunner >comes with it. > >Kurt/W7QHD >> On Apr 15, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Brian Denley wrote: >> >> Ted: >> You might look into building the K2/100 in the 'Twins' configuration. >>To switch from 100 watts to qrp just requires disconnection the power >>amp box. This configuration allows the KAT2 to be used along with the >>high power tuner. I built mine that way and it works very well. >> >> Brian >> KB1VBF >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 10:56 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >>> >>> A question for those who have the K2/100 --- >>> >>> I finished building and am now becoming familiar with operating the >>>K2/100 and the KAT100-1. It?s a great combination; but for portable >>>work it?s heavy and there are two boxes. At the time I bought it I did >>>not purchase the KAT2 ? the internal low power tuner. My questions >>>have to do with having both the KAT2 and the 100W amp. Installed at the >>>same time. I tried investigating this in the manuals but for some >>>reason the link to the online KAT2 manual isn?t working tonight. >>> >>> Two questions. First, is there a physical space problem if a K2 has >>>the 100W option, and the KNB2, and the APF/Clock option ,and the KAT2, >>>or can the KAT2 stay on board even when the 100W amp is in place? >>>Second, does the system switch automatically from the KAT2 to the >>>outboard KAT100-1 when the amp is in (or when the power exceeds the >>>KAT2?s limit?) What I mean to be asking is whether having the KAT2 >>>inside will complicate the process of removing the amp to go ?barefoot? >>>with the base K2. As it stands now it?s six screws twice, five plugs, >>>and no configuration changes. Does having a KAT2 on board add anything >>>to that? >>> >>> Thanks in advance . . . >>> >>> Ted, KN1CBR >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to b.denley at comcast.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vwracer23 at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to daleputnam at hotmail.com From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sat Apr 16 12:43:53 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 11:43:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 and KAT2 In-Reply-To: <2CD4C1DD-DD96-4B0B-8621-18B60F62FA6E@law.du.edu> References: <8A2863E0-B44A-4FED-8A74-17452418C6E2@comcast.net> <8472C4FA-1573-412C-91E0-4AFD3AC509E5@gmail.com> <2CD4C1DD-DD96-4B0B-8621-18B60F62FA6E@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <57126BC9.7080609@mediacombb.net> http://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/ You've got to have the KIO2, an EC2 enclosure, and the KAT100PNL kit. KIO2 goes in the QRP K2, KPA100 and KAT100 go in the new EC2 enclosure which has the KAT100PNL kit installed. Assuming you've got the KAT100-1 you can use the serial cable you built. K2 end goes to the new KIO2, tuner end goes to either the KPA100 or the KAT100, left over connector goes to PC. On 4/16/2016 10:47 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: Another possibility for a quick conversion to QRPis to move both the KAT100 and the KPA100 to an EC-2 enclosure and install the KAT2 in the base K2. I have seen references in the archives to the possibility of doing that conversion, but they leave a number of questions open. Once the KPA100 is installed in the K2, is it possible to move it over to an EC-2 with the KAT100? If so, is there a procedure published somewhere? -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 13:25:34 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 13:25:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Antenna Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The DB9 connection **IS NOT RS232** on K2. Three of the pins **ONLY** carry the main RS232 but they need to be picked off with a special cable. This is in the manual which you can download from the Elecraft site. ** DO NOT CONNECT YOUR PC AND K2 WITH A REGULAR SERIAL CABLE ** You can cause damage in both units. Haven't seen this warning on the reflector in a while. The other six pins connect to an externally housed 100 watt amp and/or 100 watt antenna tuner, and carry proprietary signals and voltages that have nothing to do with RS232. I have a battery K2/10 with the 100 w amp and tuner in an EC2 enclosure. Very slick. Uses the Y cable in the manual to control the stuff in the EC2 box and talk to the PC from the non-standard DB9 which is not RS232. Good luck with your K2 and 73, Guy K2AV On Saturday, April 16, 2016, MyFord at nc.rr.com wrote: > I purchased my first Elecraft radio, which is a K2. It has the auto > antenner tuner, and some other options. I have ant 1, ant 2, where tuner > is and also antenna 50 ohm, and RCV Ant jack. I have a couple antennas > that I do not want to use tuner with, and was wondering which jack to use > and then how to select it. > > I am in the process of loading pictures of my K2, outside shot and inside > shots, onto my QRZ page. Please look and tell me what options I have too. > > I think I have 160 addition, serial connector, antenna tuner, internal > battery, and I don't know what else. > > Thank you > > Steve > KI4EZL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From aldermant at windstream.net Sat Apr 16 13:40:02 2016 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 13:40:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power pins on P3 In-Reply-To: <328714764.1433301.1460822868200.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <328714764.1433301.1460822868200.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <328714764.1433301.1460822868200.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601d19807$01e9af20$05bd0d60$@windstream.net> Dick, In the manuals that came with your K3 and P3, there are explanations on how to do this. You don't need to add anything! Tom - W4BQF -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard W Hemingway Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:08 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Power pins on P3 Hi, I am wondering which of the pins I should use to allow the P3 turn on when the K3s is turned on: Power Control Pins 2 & 3 or Pins 1 & 2, (where the Power switch is disabled).Thanks, Dick, N5XRD ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Apr 16 13:57:55 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 17:57:55 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100-1 vs KAT100-2 Message-ID: Many thanks, Ken; your paper on converting to a KAT100-2 in the EC-2 is just what I needed. My initial question to the reflector was answered when I learned that the KAT2 mounts in the base K2 cover (thanks to several people who told me that.) But having resolved that issue, the next question is whether the arrangement I presently have is the best for my uses. When I first purchased the K2 I debated which way to go, and decided at the time to use the low-profile enclosure for the KAT100 principally to reduce the footprint on my desk. (Stacking the K2 on top of an EC2 looked possible but it would have put the K2 display too high for comfortable viewing. By contrast the KAT100-1 low-profile enclosure is both shorter and has a shorter tilt bale.) I have since learned that while it is certainly feasible to swap the base K2 cover for the cover with the KPA100 every time I go from QRO to QRP, as it turns out removing all the screws and especially the internal plugs requires more care and is a bit more cumbersome than I had thought it would be. So, converting the KAT100-1 to a KAT100-2, and installing the KPA100 in the EC-2 enclosure, is one way to make the transitions easier, even if the footprint is larger. From reading your paper I gather I will need the EC-2, the KAT100PNL conversion kit, the KAT2 for the base K2, and the KI02. The literature about the KI02 suggests it is required for computer control of the K2, which I don?t care about ? but I take it that having a KI02 is necessary for the conversion as the way the K2 will communicate with the KPA in the EC-2, yes? The remaining questions are whether the new toroid you recommend is included in the conversion kit or if the core will also have to be ordered; and whether, having initially installed the KPA100 in the K2 and the KAT100 in the low-profile enclosure, anything irrevocable was done that would complicate moving them both. From the manuals it seems not, but I thought I?d ask . . . Finally, I know I could have sent this to you off-list. But I found your paper very useful, and my experiences with the enclosure choice possibly useful to others who may be making the same decision, that I thought I would post them here and have it captured for the archives. Thanks again, Ted, KN1CBR From eric.csuf at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 14:11:24 2016 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 11:11:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 and KAT2 In-Reply-To: <57126BC9.7080609@mediacombb.net> References: <8A2863E0-B44A-4FED-8A74-17452418C6E2@comcast.net> <8472C4FA-1573-412C-91E0-4AFD3AC509E5@gmail.com> <2CD4C1DD-DD96-4B0B-8621-18B60F62FA6E@law.du.edu> <57126BC9.7080609@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <5712804C.1000602@gmail.com> I have a setup exactly like the Wilcox Engineering setup. I have a second K2 with the KAT2 installed just for QRP, but I've had it connected to the KPA100 also. Works fine and is a very impressive little package on the desk. The Wilcox Eng. text says to be sure to power up the KPA100 before the K2. I'd never heard that before. I power both with the same power supply recommended and sold by Elecraft. I hit the PS switch then the K2 front panel switch, so maybe that's what he means. Eric KE6US On 4/16/2016 9:43 AM, Kevin Stover wrote: > http://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/ > > You've got to have the KIO2, an EC2 enclosure, and the KAT100PNL kit. > KIO2 goes in the QRP K2, KPA100 and KAT100 go in the new EC2 enclosure > which has the KAT100PNL kit installed. > Assuming you've got the KAT100-1 you can use the serial cable you > built. K2 end goes to the new KIO2, tuner end goes to either the > KPA100 or the KAT100, left over connector goes to PC. > > On 4/16/2016 10:47 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > Another possibility for a quick conversion to QRPis to move both the > KAT100 and the KPA100 to an EC-2 enclosure and install the KAT2 in the > base K2. I have seen references in the archives to the possibility of > doing that conversion, but they leave a number of questions open. Once > the KPA100 is installed in the K2, is it possible to move it over to > an EC-2 with the KAT100? If so, is there a procedure published somewhere? > > From ron at cobi.biz Sat Apr 16 15:19:14 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 12:19:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Power pins on P3 In-Reply-To: <328714764.1433301.1460822868200.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <328714764.1433301.1460822868200.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <328714764.1433301.1460822868200.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301d19814$ddb416f0$991c44d0$@biz> It depends upon whether you want the ability to also shut off the P3 from its front panel switch. >From your P3 Owner's manual under "Configuration": Pins 2 & 3: P3 turns on automatically when power is applied to the rear panel connector. P3 may be turned off and on using the POWER switch as long as power is applied. Pins 1 & 2: POWER switch is disabled. P3 turns on automatically and remains on as long as power is applied to the rear panel connector. Of course those options assume you are powering the P3 from the K3 12V connector on the rear panel so the power supplied to the P3 goes on and off with the K3. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard W Hemingway Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:08 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Power pins on P3 Hi, I am wondering which of the pins I should use to allow the P3 turn on when the K3s is turned on: Power Control Pins 2 & 3 or Pins 1 & 2, (where the Power switch is disabled).Thanks, Dick, N5XRD ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Apr 16 15:32:18 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:32:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Antenna Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57129342.8010903@embarqmail.com> Steve, If you have other non-resonant antennas, the easiest way to handle the resonant antennas is to simply connect those antennas to the ANT1/ANT2 jacks, and do a TUNE into those antennas then operate. You can instead change the ATU menu parameter to either CAL P or CAL S and the L/C elements in the tuner will be bypassed. Note that the Pout parameter retains the last used L/C combination, so that is not a bypass situation. You will not (and should not) use the BNC connector on the K2 lower panel next to the key jack when the KAT2 is installed because you will not have control over the output power (power will go to maximum and can destroy the PA transistors). Put a cap over that BNC jack. Please refrain from calling that DE-9 connector on the back of the K2 a "serial connector" - it is NOT. Yes, it contains 3 wires that are compatable with RS-232, but it also contains internal K2 signals to connect external Elecraft hardware such as the KAT100, KRC2 and XV series transverters. To connect with a computer, you must use a special cable. If you did not receive that special cable to the computer with your K2, you can build it (you cannot buy it) from that shown in the KIO2 manual. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/16/2016 11:27 AM, MyFord at nc.rr.com wrote: > I purchased my first Elecraft radio, which is a K2. It has the auto antenner tuner, and some other options. I have ant 1, ant 2, where tuner is and also antenna 50 ohm, and RCV Ant jack. I have a couple antennas that I do not want to use tuner with, and was wondering which jack to use and then how to select it. > > I am in the process of loading pictures of my K2, outside shot and inside shots, onto my QRZ page. Please look and tell me what options I have too. > > I think I have 160 addition, serial connector, antenna tuner, internal battery, and I don't know what else. > > Thank you > > Steve > KI4EZL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From w5sum at comcast.net Sat Apr 16 15:37:49 2016 From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 14:37:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fan question on K3 Message-ID: First, I'm having no trouble with my K3 ( which was delivered to me a week before they announced the S grrrrrrr). I have NEVER felt or heard the fans running! My K3 ( nick named Buster ) is warm to the touch, never HOT, but still even in a 48 hour contest I've never been aware of them running! Either buster don't need to cool off or something is wrong? Anyone have an opinion on this? W5sum Ronnie From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Apr 16 15:45:12 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:45:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset PTT Options In-Reply-To: <5711B2DA.4070104@gmail.com> References: <570F7260.6020807@gmail.com> <5711B2DA.4070104@gmail.com> Message-ID: Both front PTT(in mic connector) and rear Phono jack are in parallel. I use either VOX (for contesting) and a home-made PTT switch plugged into rear jack for other use. -------------- next part -------------- Under the "flap" are two SMD push buttons wired in parallel with a cable to rear PTT. Box is 3.5 X 4 inches and made on my 3D printer. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 15, 2016, at 11:34 PM, Mike Walkington wrote: > > > All, > > At the risk of this request being lost in the euphoric response to the K3 K-Pod..... I'm wondering what options you might be using / prefer to provide the PTT function for a K3S connected headset. I know options including (1) VOX, (2) PTT button on an alternative plugged in microphone, (3) PTT pickle switch, (4) PTT foot switch. What about your preference for enabling several (ie pickle and foot switch) of these in parallel > > Mike VK1OO > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Apr 16 15:48:55 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:48:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Power pins on P3 In-Reply-To: <328714764.1433301.1460822868200.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <328714764.1433301.1460822868200.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <328714764.1433301.1460822868200.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <814F8BBD-5B38-4D1E-BF6D-A81CBF490811@widomaker.com> Download the manual. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 16, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Richard W Hemingway wrote: > > Hi, > I am wondering which of the pins I should use to allow the P3 turn on when the K3s is turned on: Power Control Pins 2 & 3 or Pins 1 & 2, (where the Power switch is disabled).Thanks, Dick, N5XRD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 15:53:42 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 05:53:42 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Fan question on K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57129846.8157620a.c609f.7fe9@mx.google.com> I have not heard the fans on my k3 since 2008...:-) Oh, and I don't expect to in the future. If you are unsure, place your fingers close and feel the breeze. 73 Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Ronnie Hull" Sent: ?17/?04/?2016 5:38 AM Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" Subject: [Elecraft] Fan question on K3 First, I'm having no trouble with my K3 ( which was delivered to me a week before they announced the S grrrrrrr). I have NEVER felt or heard the fans running! My K3 ( nick named Buster ) is warm to the touch, never HOT, but still even in a 48 hour contest I've never been aware of them running! Either buster don't need to cool off or something is wrong? Anyone have an opinion on this? W5sum Ronnie ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Apr 16 15:54:39 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:54:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fan question on K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1DF7C261-EF11-49A9-8E69-228C05590B1C@widomaker.com> The manual describes a "Fan test procedure" to run the fans at each speed to make sure they are working. You can also use this to set the fans to a speed if you are working in a warm room or outdoors in sun and running high power and find the radio unusually hot. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 16, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Ronnie Hull wrote: > > First, I'm having no trouble with my K3 ( which was delivered to me a week before they announced the S grrrrrrr). > I have NEVER felt or heard the fans running! My K3 ( nick named Buster ) is warm to the touch, never HOT, but still even in a 48 hour contest I've never been aware of them running! > Either buster don't need to cool off or something is wrong? > Anyone have an opinion on this? > > W5sum Ronnie > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From n7rjn at nobis.net Sat Apr 16 15:55:09 2016 From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 12:55:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fan question on K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ronnie, You can manually select a minimum fan speed if desired. See the CONFIG:KPA3 menu entry. 73, Bob Nobis - N7RJN n7rjn at nobis.net > On Apr 16, 2016, at 12:37, Ronnie Hull wrote: > > First, I'm having no trouble with my K3 ( which was delivered to me a week before they announced the S grrrrrrr). > I have NEVER felt or heard the fans running! My K3 ( nick named Buster ) is warm to the touch, never HOT, but still even in a 48 hour contest I've never been aware of them running! > Either buster don't need to cool off or something is wrong? > Anyone have an opinion on this? > > W5sum Ronnie > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7rjn at nobis.net > From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Apr 16 15:56:03 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:56:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Headset PTT Options In-Reply-To: References: <570F7260.6020807@gmail.com> <5711B2DA.4070104@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dagnabbit! The photo got stripped! Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 16, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Nr4c wrote: > > Both front PTT(in mic connector) and rear Phono jack are in parallel. > > I use either VOX (for contesting) and a home-made PTT switch plugged into rear jack for other use. > > Under the "flap" are two SMD push buttons wired in parallel with a cable to rear PTT. Box is 3.5 X 4 inches and made on my 3D printer. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Apr 15, 2016, at 11:34 PM, Mike Walkington wrote: >> >> >> All, >> >> At the risk of this request being lost in the euphoric response to the K3 K-Pod..... I'm wondering what options you might be using / prefer to provide the PTT function for a K3S connected headset. I know options including (1) VOX, (2) PTT button on an alternative plugged in microphone, (3) PTT pickle switch, (4) PTT foot switch. What about your preference for enabling several (ie pickle and foot switch) of these in parallel >> >> Mike VK1OO >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From tnnyswy at yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 16:19:40 2016 From: tnnyswy at yahoo.com (tnnyswy at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 20:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Fan question on K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1123827055.1809943.1460837980517.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> >>> buster don't need to cool off? <<< Quit worrying !!!! WORRIsum!? Buster was made by Elecraft!!! Milverton / W9MMS. From: Ronnie Hull To: Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 2:37 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Fan question on K3 First, I'm having no trouble with my K3 ( which was delivered to me a week before they announced the S grrrrrrr). I have NEVER felt or heard the fans running! My K3 ( nick named Buster ) is warm to the touch, never HOT, but still even in a 48 hour contest I've never been aware of them running! Either buster don't need to cool off or something is wrong? Anyone have an opinion on this? W5sum Ronnie ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From w2kj at bellsouth.net Sat Apr 16 16:27:43 2016 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 16:27:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 clock problem Message-ID: <6E33F440-74E3-4B68-81A4-7F9EA3AECFA8@bellsouth.net> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters" Just received a previously owned KX3 s/n 6027 and am unable to set the realtime clock. The clock display is stuck on "45.85.85" and I can't reset the digits. I have another older KX3 and the clock sets easily with no problems. Anyone out there have any idea what is going on with the clock in s/n 6027? Any assistance/info most welcome. 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I am. From w2kj at bellsouth.net Sat Apr 16 16:41:23 2016 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 16:41:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 clock problem In-Reply-To: <6E33F440-74E3-4B68-81A4-7F9EA3AECFA8@bellsouth.net> References: <6E33F440-74E3-4B68-81A4-7F9EA3AECFA8@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Just solved my problem with the clock...the BAT CHG needed to be set to "not inSt". Everything is now well with the world (grin). 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I am On Apr 16, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Joe W2KJ wrote: > Howdy Fellow Elecrafters" > > Just received a previously owned KX3 s/n 6027 and am unable to set the realtime clock. > > The clock display is stuck on "45.85.85" and I can't reset the digits. > > I have another older KX3 and the clock sets easily with no problems. > > Anyone out there have any idea what is going on with the clock in s/n 6027? > > Any assistance/info most welcome. > > 73, Joe W2KJ > I QRP, therefore I am. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w2kj at bellsouth.net From w5sum at comcast.net Sat Apr 16 16:42:16 2016 From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:42:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fan question on K3 In-Reply-To: <1123827055.1809943.1460837980517.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1123827055.1809943.1460837980517.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Buster rocks! Buster has worked 212 countries since I birthed him! Ronnie Sent from Ronnie's IPhone > On Apr 16, 2016, at 15:19, wrote: > > >>> buster don't need to cool off <<< > > Quit worrying !!!! WORRIsum! > Buster was made by Elecraft!!! > > Milverton / W9MMS. > > > > > From: Ronnie Hull > To: > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 2:37 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Fan question on K3 > > First, I'm having no trouble with my K3 ( which was delivered to me a week before they announced the S grrrrrrr). > I have NEVER felt or heard the fans running! My K3 ( nick named Buster ) is warm to the touch, never HOT, but still even in a 48 hour contest I've never been aware of them running! > Either buster don't need to cool off or something is wrong? > Anyone have an opinion on this? > > W5sum Ronnie > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com > > From mveeneman at yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 16:48:06 2016 From: mveeneman at yahoo.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 16:48:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 clock problem In-Reply-To: <6E33F440-74E3-4B68-81A4-7F9EA3AECFA8@bellsouth.net> References: <6E33F440-74E3-4B68-81A4-7F9EA3AECFA8@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <5CAA09C6-89D4-4E03-B26F-7958C9481506@yahoo.com> No battery charger installed. > On Apr 16, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Joe W2KJ wrote: > > Howdy Fellow Elecrafters" > > Just received a previously owned KX3 s/n 6027 and am unable to set the realtime clock. > > The clock display is stuck on "45.85.85" and I can't reset the digits. > > I have another older KX3 and the clock sets easily with no problems. > > Anyone out there have any idea what is going on with the clock in s/n 6027? > > Any assistance/info most welcome. > > 73, Joe W2KJ > I QRP, therefore I am. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mveeneman at yahoo.com From frankwiebusch at yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 17:02:03 2016 From: frankwiebusch at yahoo.com (frank wiebusch) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 21:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] nf: References: <793450869.1407917.1460840523467.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <793450869.1407917.1460840523467.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> http://rivermiststudios.com/ddpnkhn.php ***************************************For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth.Orrell Solid From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Apr 16 17:30:53 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 17:30:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fan question on K3 In-Reply-To: <1123827055.1809943.1460837980517.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: , <1123827055.1809943.1460837980517.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5712AF0D.21603.1A8E168@Gary.ka1j.com> To adjust for a specific fan speed, this is as written in the manual: ------ Fan Speed The K3S/100 includes two large, quiet fans. Fan speeds are normally selected automatically, but you can manually select a minimum fan speed if desired. See the CONFIG:KPA3 menu entry. -------- I never have found the K3 to get hot, ever. Nothing like the hot my old Drake TR-7 used to get. That said, I'm a bugger for driving with low power so I often have the amp on in case there's some DX I want to go for and don't want to wait for the warm up period. So I'll set the drive from the K3 (& now the K3s), at 2-5 watts or so and with the amp being QSK, it works perfectly and if I want to go QRP, I'm already there. I could just drive the radio at 100W which is what most of us do but I like doing it this way. Besides, I don't like turning the amp on & off multiple times throughout the day, I understand that isn't nice to the tubes over the course of years. So this way I have a cool rig, no issues with distortion, and the amp is always ready to go. Only downside is a higher noise level in the shack but to that end, I almost always wear the Bose QC-15 and they make the noise go away. 73, Gary KA1J From ron at cobi.biz Sat Apr 16 17:53:53 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 14:53:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fan question on K3 In-Reply-To: References: <1123827055.1809943.1460837980517.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901d1982a$78818ea0$6984abe0$@biz> Ronnie: Since you apparently are not aware of the following, I presume you bought a factory built K3 with the KPA3 installed. There's a test you can run to verify the fans are working and a calibration procedure that sets the temperature at which they start. PA Temperature Sensor Calibration - You will need a thermometer to measure your room temperature. (This test is in your K3S Owner's Manual) 1) Leave the K3/K3s off for at least 15 minutes to be sure the rig is at room temperature. 2) Turn the K3/K3S on and in the CONFIG menu locate the PA TEMP entry. 3) Adjust VFOA to change the reading to match your room thermometer. The reading is in Celsius so if your room thermometer is in Fahrenheit calculate the corresponding Celsius value: Deg. C = (deg. Fahrenheit - 32) X 0.555. Fan Test (This test is in the KPA3 Installation Manual). 1) With the K3 on, hold CONFIG to select the Configuration menu, then turn VFO B to KPA3. 2) Turn the VFO A knob to PAIO ON, then turn it further to PAIO TST and then on past TST to FN1, then FN2, FN3 and FN4. The fans should start turning at FN1 and increase speed as you continue to FN4. 3) Be sure the fans blowing air out of the back of the K3/K3S. Looking at the back of the K3, the fans should rotate clockwise. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ronnie Hull Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 1:42 PM To: tnnyswy at yahoo.com Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fan question on K3 Buster rocks! Buster has worked 212 countries since I birthed him! Ronnie Sent from Ronnie's IPhone > On Apr 16, 2016, at 15:19, wrote: > > >>> buster don't need to cool off <<< > > Quit worrying !!!! WORRIsum! > Buster was made by Elecraft!!! > > Milverton / W9MMS. > > > > > From: Ronnie Hull > To: > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 2:37 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Fan question on K3 > > First, I'm having no trouble with my K3 ( which was delivered to me a week before they announced the S grrrrrrr). > I have NEVER felt or heard the fans running! My K3 ( nick named Buster ) is warm to the touch, never HOT, but still even in a 48 hour contest I've never been aware of them running! > Either buster don't need to cool off or something is wrong? > Anyone have an opinion on this? > > W5sum Ronnie > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > tnnyswy at yahoo.com > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From docwatt at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 20:29:44 2016 From: docwatt at gmail.com (Tom Field) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 17:29:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output Message-ID: I'm having difficulty getting more than about 70 to 80 watts out of the KXPA 100. I have it connected to a KX3 with the Elecraft cable and have gone through the calibration procedure as outlined in the owners manual and in Fred Cady's excellent book. For Example if I go through the calibration procedure on 40 meters, It appears to show a drive level of 5 watts to achieve 75 watt output. If I transmit into a dummy load, with the power setting at 100 watts, I have a drive power of about 2.6 watts and an output power of about 70 watts as shown in the KXPA Utility. Am I missing something? Tom KN6DR From bob at hogbytes.com Sat Apr 16 21:22:02 2016 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 18:22:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1460856122738-7616455.post@n2.nabble.com> Look at the actual voltage into the KXPA100 during transmit. This can happen if the voltage is below 13.8-14. I had to adjust my Astron 35 amp as at 13.5V I saw almost the same thing. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KXPA-Power-Output-tp7616454p7616455.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Apr 16 21:40:06 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 21:40:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You need to do the 70 watt cal with at lest 14 volts at amp power pole. And use biggest and shortest cable to minimize losses. Same power setup for operation. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 16, 2016, at 8:29 PM, Tom Field wrote: > > I'm having difficulty getting more than about 70 to 80 watts out of the > KXPA 100. I have it connected to a KX3 with the Elecraft cable and have > gone through the calibration procedure as outlined in the owners manual and > in Fred Cady's excellent book. > > For Example if I go through the calibration procedure on 40 meters, > It appears to show a drive level of 5 watts to achieve 75 watt output. > If I transmit into a dummy load, with the power setting at 100 watts, > I have a drive power of about 2.6 watts and an output power of about 70 > watts as shown in the KXPA Utility. > > Am I missing something? > > Tom > KN6DR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From mgold at pathcom.com Sat Apr 16 22:25:09 2016 From: mgold at pathcom.com (Mike Goldstein) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 22:25:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] VE3GFN K3 Sound recording Message-ID: <20160417022518.D1305AE243EB@smtp-auth06.pathcom.com> Thanks to all who offered ideas, encouragement, and an alternative point of view, on my query re K3 sound recording. I've not tried to implement all this so far, but hopefully, this weekend, and I'll report back on my results. QRX ... 73 Mike VE3GFN From ron at cobi.biz Sat Apr 16 23:16:09 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 20:16:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201d19857$7d595c00$780c1400$@biz> Regarding the procedure in the KXPA100 Owner's manual, does the output indicate 75 watts when you set the power for 75 watts as the procedure states? Was that done into a good 50-ohm dummy load? How does it behave on other bands? Remember the calibration must be done on each band and you will need to reset the POWER control for CAL 75 on 50 MHz. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Field Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 5:30 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output I'm having difficulty getting more than about 70 to 80 watts out of the KXPA 100. I have it connected to a KX3 with the Elecraft cable and have gone through the calibration procedure as outlined in the owners manual and in Fred Cady's excellent book. For Example if I go through the calibration procedure on 40 meters, It appears to show a drive level of 5 watts to achieve 75 watt output. If I transmit into a dummy load, with the power setting at 100 watts, I have a drive power of about 2.6 watts and an output power of about 70 watts as shown in the KXPA Utility. Am I missing something? Tom KN6DR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From docwatt at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 00:33:13 2016 From: docwatt at gmail.com (Tom Field) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 21:33:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the replies. I have gone through the procedure again. I used the calibration procedure outlined on the Elecraft Website. Some observations. With no load I have 14.63 volts coming into the KXPA 100. With the radio and amplifier on and resting, the current is approx 0.3 Amps Steps Set the radio in the 160 meter band Set P Cal Closed the menu Set Pwr to CAL 75 Confirmed the KXPA 100 Is in bypass Pressed Tune( I assume this is the button that says transmit) Current rose to .9 Amps If I took the pressure off the button, the current stayed up until I pressed it again The display showed 2 numbers On top 1.1 Below 5.0 Pressed the button again Normal Display returned Moved on to 80 meter band Same behaviour and findings Moved to 60 meter band Same 40 meters, 30 meters, 20 meters same with approximately same current 17 meters, Current went up to 1.21 Amps 15 meters 1.24 Amps 12 meters 1.45 Amps 10 meters 1.45 Amps 6 meters Display showed 3 instead of 5 and 1.68 amps Opened the menue and turned the PA to on Set the PA back to auto set power at 75 Watts Using the KXPA Utility Input Power Forward Power 160 m 0.8 48 80 m 1.0 50 60 m 1.2 52 40 m 1.2 51.4 30 m 1.1 56.8 20 m 1.6 59.2 17 m 1.6 82 15 m 1.2 51 12 m 1.0 49.5 10 m 1.2 50.3 6 m 2.0 60.6 The only band that came close was 17 meters. I wonder if there is something about the calibration process. Accd to the notes from the Elecraft website "Press TUNE. The KX3 will transmit for a short while then stop. During this transmission, the KX3 and KXPA100 will determine what drive level is needed to get to 75 watts" I found if I pushed and held TUNE, it started transmitting and did not stop transmitting until I let off and pushed it again. Advice, suggestions welcome. Tom KN6DR On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Tom Field wrote: > I'm having difficulty getting more than about 70 to 80 watts out of the > KXPA 100. I have it connected to a KX3 with the Elecraft cable and have > gone through the calibration procedure as outlined in the owners manual and > in Fred Cady's excellent book. > > For Example if I go through the calibration procedure on 40 meters, > It appears to show a drive level of 5 watts to achieve 75 watt output. > If I transmit into a dummy load, with the power setting at 100 watts, > I have a drive power of about 2.6 watts and an output power of about 70 > watts as shown in the KXPA Utility. > > Am I missing something? > > Tom > KN6DR > From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 01:06:46 2016 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 08:06:46 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S In-Reply-To: <57123AF1.5060504@nycap.rr.com> References: <4F72BB04-D258-4730-B119-B7068178D55D@wunderwood.org> <57123AF1.5060504@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <61DC34E9-2DF0-47AE-8D32-4522C160CE06@gmail.com> What would be useful would be a program or a function of the K3 utility that would pull out the nonspecific information from a configuration backup and restore only that. In fact, if I were the author of the K3 utility, I would check serial numbers, and if they are different ask the user if he wants to restore the settings that are not rig-dependent. Vic 4X6GP > On 16 Apr 2016, at 4:15 PM, Bill wrote: > > Thank you Walter for the explanation. Now I understand why it cannot be done. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 03:03:58 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:03:58 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S In-Reply-To: <61DC34E9-2DF0-47AE-8D32-4522C160CE06@gmail.com> References: <4F72BB04-D258-4730-B119-B7068178D55D@wunderwood.org> <57123AF1.5060504@nycap.rr.com> <61DC34E9-2DF0-47AE-8D32-4522C160CE06@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5713355e.c957420a.f856.ffffeb52@mx.google.com> I kinda like the way it is and this is my thoughts: If I had 2 K3's (any vintage) and I was to check my setup, what if both are not identical?, maybe one has a second rcvr and may different filters? Having 2 utilities on my PC would not bother me. If I have separate PC's for each, then again I see no problem. I rarely use the utility these days, when I do, I save a config copy. Again if I had 2 K3's, I don't see an advantage in being able to copy from one trcvr to another....i can see where I could make a mistake and mess things up though. So can somebody please explain to me what I may be missing or perhaps an example of how I could benefit from what is being discussed. Sadly as I get older I seem to be getting slower...:-) Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Vic Rosenthal" Sent: ?17/?04/?2016 3:05 PM To: "Bill" Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S What would be useful would be a program or a function of the K3 utility that would pull out the nonspecific information from a configuration backup and restore only that. In fact, if I were the author of the K3 utility, I would check serial numbers, and if they are different ask the user if he wants to restore the settings that are not rig-dependent. Vic 4X6GP > On 16 Apr 2016, at 4:15 PM, Bill wrote: > > Thank you Walter for the explanation. Now I understand why it cannot be done. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 06:01:21 2016 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 04:01:21 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Low KXPA100 Power Output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom, Maybe I missed it in your message, but what is the voltage at the input power connector of your KXPA100 when you're attempting to make the calibration runs? It sounds like you don't have the needed DC voltage AT THE AMP'S DC INPUT APP CONNECTOR to produce full power output. Voltage drop between the PS output connection and the Amp input connection seems to be a common problem in these low power output situations. 73 Ken - K0PP On Apr 16, 2016 22:34, "Tom Field" wrote: Thanks for the replies. I have gone through the procedure again. I used the calibration procedure outlined on the Elecraft Website. Some observations. With no load I have 14.63 volts coming into the KXPA 100. With the radio and amplifier on and resting, the current is approx 0.3 Amps Steps Set the radio in the 160 meter band Set P Cal Closed the menu Set Pwr to CAL 75 Confirmed the KXPA 100 Is in bypass Pressed Tune( I assume this is the button that says transmit) Current rose to .9 Amps If I took the pressure off the button, the current stayed up until I pressed it again The display showed 2 numbers On top 1.1 Below 5.0 Pressed the button again Normal Display returned Moved on to 80 meter band Same behaviour and findings Moved to 60 meter band Same 40 meters, 30 meters, 20 meters same with approximately same current 17 meters, Current went up to 1.21 Amps 15 meters 1.24 Amps 12 meters 1.45 Amps 10 meters 1.45 Amps 6 meters Display showed 3 instead of 5 and 1.68 amps Opened the menue and turned the PA to on Set the PA back to auto set power at 75 Watts Using the KXPA Utility Input Power Forward Power 160 m 0.8 48 80 m 1.0 50 60 m 1.2 52 40 m 1.2 51.4 30 m 1.1 56.8 20 m 1.6 59.2 17 m 1.6 82 15 m 1.2 51 12 m 1.0 49.5 10 m 1.2 50.3 6 m 2.0 60.6 The only band that came close was 17 meters. I wonder if there is something about the calibration process. Accd to the notes from the Elecraft website "Press TUNE. The KX3 will transmit for a short while then stop. During this transmission, the KX3 and KXPA100 will determine what drive level is needed to get to 75 watts" I found if I pushed and held TUNE, it started transmitting and did not stop transmitting until I let off and pushed it again. Advice, suggestions welcome. Tom KN6DR On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Tom Field wrote: > I'm having difficulty getting more than about 70 to 80 watts out of the > KXPA 100. I have it connected to a KX3 with the Elecraft cable and have > gone through the calibration procedure as outlined in the owners manual and > in Fred Cady's excellent book. > > For Example if I go through the calibration procedure on 40 meters, > It appears to show a drive level of 5 watts to achieve 75 watt output. > If I transmit into a dummy load, with the power setting at 100 watts, > I have a drive power of about 2.6 watts and an output power of about 70 > watts as shown in the KXPA Utility. > > Am I missing something? > > Tom > KN6DR > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com From kenk3iu at cox.net Sun Apr 17 07:57:06 2016 From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken K3IU) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 07:57:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft K3/100 - PRICE REDUCED Message-ID: <57137A12.6020100@cox.net> This is an oldie but goodie (s/n 2xx) which has all official mods and enhancements available to this serial number and is fully functional to the latest specs. I am the original owner and the radio has always been in a non-smoking environment. I have a new K3S and this K3 is now excess to my needs. This is the basic K3 with the 5 pole 2.7kHz filter, the latest firmware, and the following options... KPA3 100 watt PA KAT3 Auto Tuner Module KXV3A Transverter Interface All manuals, update details and documentation, power cord, and hex wrenches are included. Asking $1795 shipped UPS ground to CONUS. Will accept PayPal or USPS Money Order. 73, Ken Wagner K3IU Portsmouth, RI kenk3iu at cox.net From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sun Apr 17 08:55:50 2016 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 05:55:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Power pins on P3 In-Reply-To: <328714764.1433301.1460822868200.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <328714764.1433301.1460822868200.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1460897750408-7616463.post@n2.nabble.com> I jumper 2 and 3. You can still turn off the P3 if desired but when power is applied from the K3 or elsewhere, the P3 automatically turns on. Best of both. ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Power-pins-on-P3-tp7616432p7616463.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jrhallas at optonline.net Sun Apr 17 09:31:03 2016 From: jrhallas at optonline.net (Joel Hallas) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 09:31:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PTT Options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d198ad$638379e0$2a8a6da0$@net> My favorite is a "knee switch." I use a Heil foot switch that is attached by hook and loop fastener to the left side of the knee hole in my operating desk at just the right height. Foot operation is also good if you can secure the switch, but on my tile floor, I found I was always chasing the foot switch around. The K3 VOX is second to none, IMO, but as I tend to cuss out interfering stations, I'm afraid I'm not a good VOX candidate! Regards, Joel Hallas, W1ZR Westport, CT ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 13:34:50 +1000 From: Mike Walkington All, At the risk of this request being lost in the euphoric response to the K3 K-Pod..... I'm wondering what options you might be using / prefer to provide the PTT function for a K3S connected headset. I know options including (1) VOX, (2) PTT button on an alternative plugged in microphone, (3) PTT pickle switch, (4) PTT foot switch. What about your preference for enabling several (ie pickle and foot switch) of these in parallel Mike VK1OO ****************** From jbastin at sssnet.com Sun Apr 17 10:04:16 2016 From: jbastin at sssnet.com (John E Bastin) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:04:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fan question on K3 In-Reply-To: <001901d1982a$78818ea0$6984abe0$@biz> References: <1123827055.1809943.1460837980517.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <001901d1982a$78818ea0$6984abe0$@biz> Message-ID: On Apr 16, 2016, at 17:53, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > The reading is in Celsius so if your room thermometer is in Fahrenheit calculate > the corresponding Celsius value: Deg. C = (deg. Fahrenheit - 32) X 0.555. If you prefer to do the calculation in your head, I find it easier to think of the formula to convert C to F as: Deg. C = (deg. Fahrenheit - 32) X 5/9 or, if you want to convert the other way: Deg. F = (9/5 x Deg. C) + 32 Hope this helps. 73, John K8AJS jbastin at sssnet.com From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sun Apr 17 10:16:20 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 09:16:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S In-Reply-To: <5713355e.c957420a.f856.ffffeb52@mx.google.com> References: <4F72BB04-D258-4730-B119-B7068178D55D@wunderwood.org> <57123AF1.5060504@nycap.rr.com> <61DC34E9-2DF0-47AE-8D32-4522C160CE06@gmail.com> <5713355e.c957420a.f856.ffffeb52@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <57139AB4.20405@mediacombb.net> People want to reduce the amount of button pushing to a minimum. Remember when your rig was new and how long it took to get the settings the way you wanted? Buy a used K3 or a new K3s and it takes some time to set it up like you like it. I absolutely hate swapping CD's and DVD's loading software on a new PC. Norton Ghost was the best thing since sliced bread (RIP). Add some software to the computer...make a new image of the hard drive. Hard drive needs replaced for whatever reason, and it's the component most likely to fail, load the image, operating system and all, on the new drive in about 20 minutes. If I tried that on a new PC with different hardware, processor, video cards, sound cards, Ethernet cards it would fail miserably and I'd find myself in driver hell. Since there is a difference between configuration and factory alignment data on the K3(s) maybe a utility within a utility just for alignment data. This would only work if both new and old rigs are physically configured identically. How do you load config data which contains information about the second receiver when there is no second receiver? On 4/17/2016 2:03 AM, Gary wrote: > I kinda like the way it is and this is my thoughts: > If I had 2 K3's (any vintage) and I was to check my setup, what if both are not identical?, maybe one has a second rcvr and may different filters? > Having 2 utilities on my PC would not bother me. > If I have separate PC's for each, then again I see no problem. > I rarely use the utility these days, when I do, I save a config copy. > Again if I had 2 K3's, I don't see an advantage in being able to copy from one trcvr to another....i can see where I could make a mistake and mess things up though. > So can somebody please explain to me what I may be missing or perhaps an example of how I could benefit from what is being discussed. > Sadly as I get older I seem to be getting slower...:-) > Gary > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From alsopb at comcast.net Sun Apr 17 10:33:40 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 14:33:40 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S In-Reply-To: <57139AB4.20405@mediacombb.net> References: <4F72BB04-D258-4730-B119-B7068178D55D@wunderwood.org> <57123AF1.5060504@nycap.rr.com> <61DC34E9-2DF0-47AE-8D32-4522C160CE06@gmail.com> <5713355e.c957420a.f856.ffffeb52@mx.google.com> <57139AB4.20405@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <57139EC4.8070502@comcast.net> Everybody is making arguments for why it can't be done. I'd like to hear arguments for why it can be done. Clearly someone (Elecraft and perhaps others) knows enough about the K3 and K3S differences and various permutations to do this. Remember when one had to configure xtal filters manually and do TX/RX calibrations manually. It was a real pain. Those features were automated. Several months ago I spent a couple weeks trying to make a newer K3 (different serial number of course) have the same parameters as an older K3. I'm not sure it's done yet. Going from a K3 to K3s would probably take as long or longer. This process would start with a dump of the older rig's configuration parameters. I don't think it's asking too much to make such a program available. (Yes guys have alluded to some non-free programs which proportedly do this. Not about to pay..) When one is done with configuring the new rig than dump that too. Some kind of automatic comparison program for the two files would be nice too. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 4/17/2016 14:16 PM, Kevin Stover wrote: > People want to reduce the amount of button pushing to a minimum. > Remember when your rig was new and how long it took to get the settings > the way you wanted? > Buy a used K3 or a new K3s and it takes some time to set it up like you > like it. > > I absolutely hate swapping CD's and DVD's loading software on a new PC. > Norton Ghost was the best thing since sliced bread (RIP). Add some > software to the computer...make a new image of the hard drive. Hard > drive needs replaced for whatever reason, and it's the component most > likely to fail, load the image, operating system and all, on the new > drive in about 20 minutes. If I tried that on a new PC with different > hardware, processor, video cards, sound cards, Ethernet cards it would > fail miserably and I'd find myself in driver hell. > > Since there is a difference between configuration and factory alignment > data on the K3(s) maybe a utility within a utility just for alignment > data. This would only work if both new and old rigs are physically > configured identically. How do you load config data which contains > information about the second receiver when there is no second receiver? > > On 4/17/2016 2:03 AM, Gary wrote: >> I kinda like the way it is and this is my thoughts: >> If I had 2 K3's (any vintage) and I was to check my setup, what if >> both are not identical?, maybe one has a second rcvr and may different >> filters? >> Having 2 utilities on my PC would not bother me. >> If I have separate PC's for each, then again I see no problem. >> I rarely use the utility these days, when I do, I save a config copy. >> Again if I had 2 K3's, I don't see an advantage in being able to copy >> from one trcvr to another....i can see where I could make a mistake >> and mess things up though. >> So can somebody please explain to me what I may be missing or perhaps >> an example of how I could benefit from what is being discussed. >> Sadly as I get older I seem to be getting slower...:-) >> Gary >> > > From tnnyswy at yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 10:57:58 2016 From: tnnyswy at yahoo.com (tnnyswy at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 14:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PTT Options In-Reply-To: <000001d198ad$638379e0$2a8a6da0$@net> References: <000001d198ad$638379e0$2a8a6da0$@net> Message-ID: <1225567296.2053810.1460905078726.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> >>>> , but as I tend to cuss out interfering stations <<<< Joel, each time that you " Cuss " an offending station, you donate $10.00 to the collection plate on Sunday in Church. No cheating now!?? :-D ((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS. From: Joel Hallas To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 PTT Options My favorite is a "knee switch." I use a Heil foot switch that is attached by hook and loop fastener to the left side of the knee hole in my operating desk at just the right height. Foot operation is also good if you can secure the switch, but on my tile floor, I found I was always chasing the foot switch around. The K3 VOX is second to none, IMO, but as I tend to cuss out interfering stations, I'm afraid I'm not a good VOX candidate! Regards, Joel Hallas, W1ZR Westport, CT ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 13:34:50 +1000 From: Mike Walkington All, At the risk of this request being lost in the euphoric response to the K3 K-Pod..... I'm wondering what options you might be using / prefer to provide the PTT function for a K3S connected headset. I know options including (1) VOX, (2) PTT button on an alternative plugged in microphone, (3) PTT pickle switch, (4) PTT foot switch. What about your preference for enabling several (ie pickle and foot switch) of these in parallel Mike VK1OO ****************** ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sun Apr 17 13:23:06 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 13:23:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S Message-ID: <0quah57484kxjjc6oxwbe7mk.1460913786985@email.android.com> HiWhat you are asking is available in Win4K3Suite. You can export all non serial number specific parameters and import them as well as the current model related parameters.It's been there for a year or so.73 Tom Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Vic Rosenthal Date: 2016-04-17 1:06 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Bill Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S What would be useful would be a program or a function of the K3 utility that would pull out the nonspecific information from a configuration backup and restore only that. In fact, if I were the author of the K3 utility, I would check serial numbers, and if they are different ask the user if he wants to restore the settings that are not rig-dependent. Vic 4X6GP > On 16 Apr 2016, at 4:15 PM, Bill wrote: > > Thank you Walter for the explanation. Now I understand why it cannot be done. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From alsopb at comcast.net Sun Apr 17 13:37:33 2016 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:37:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S In-Reply-To: <0quah57484kxjjc6oxwbe7mk.1460913786985@email.android.com> References: <0quah57484kxjjc6oxwbe7mk.1460913786985@email.android.com> Message-ID: <5713C9DD.7090901@comcast.net> Correct me if I am wrong. Trial version is free after that it is $50. It appears that it is a parameter at a time import/export (???). Trying to make myself clear. The utility I am after: 1) Reads old rig configuration or configuration file 2) Reads new rig configuration from the factory settings. Creates an import configuration file the utility can import for (2) given the data collected in 1 and 2 above. Rereads the new rig configuration. Generates an output detailing the difference between the old and newly configured rig. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 4/17/2016 17:23 PM, tomb18 wrote: > HiWhat you are asking is available in Win4K3Suite. You can export all non serial number specific parameters and import them as well as the current model related parameters.It's been there for a year or so.73 Tom > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Vic Rosenthal Date: 2016-04-17 1:06 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Bill Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S > What would be useful would be a program or a function of the K3 utility that would pull out the nonspecific information from a configuration backup and restore only that. > > In fact, if I were the author of the K3 utility, I would check serial numbers, and if they are different ask the user if he wants to restore the settings that are not rig-dependent. > > Vic 4X6GP > >> On 16 Apr 2016, at 4:15 PM, Bill wrote: >> >> Thank you Walter for the explanation. Now I understand why it cannot be done. >> >> Bill W2BLC K-Line >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sun Apr 17 13:47:16 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 13:47:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S Message-ID: HiYou export all the settings of the radio to a file. This includes all menu and tech mode commands as well as the current mode specific parameters except those that are hardware specific such as offset of filters, etc.You can then import this file into another k3 or the same one just for different purposes. It does not touch the factory Config file which is different. That Is managed with the elecraft utility.73 Tom Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: brian Date: 2016-04-17 1:37 PM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S Correct me if I am wrong. Trial version is free after that it is $50. It appears that it is a parameter at a time import/export (???). Trying to make myself clear.? The utility I am after: 1) Reads old rig configuration or configuration file 2) Reads new rig configuration from the factory settings. Creates an import configuration file the utility can import for (2) given the data collected in 1 and 2 above. Rereads the new rig configuration.? Generates an output detailing the difference between the old and newly configured rig. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 4/17/2016 17:23 PM, tomb18 wrote: > HiWhat you are asking is available in Win4K3Suite. You can export all non serial number specific parameters and import them as well as the current model related parameters.It's been there for a year or so.73 Tom > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Vic Rosenthal Date: 2016-04-17? 1:06 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: Bill Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S > What would be useful would be a program or a function of the K3 utility that would pull out the nonspecific information from a configuration backup and restore only that. > > In fact, if I were the author of the K3 utility, I would check serial numbers, and if they are different ask the user if he wants to restore the settings that are not rig-dependent. > > Vic 4X6GP > >> On 16 Apr 2016, at 4:15 PM, Bill wrote: >> >> Thank you Walter for the explanation. Now I understand why it cannot be done. >> >> Bill W2BLC K-Line >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From kevinr at coho.net Sun Apr 17 14:08:47 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:08:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <5713D12F.3080708@coho.net> Good Day, Propagation has been increasing, albeit slightly, with the increase in solar activity due to one very large spot. This has been offset by an increase in band noise; but contacts can be made more easily this week. Weather has been changing too, almost on a daily basis, by alternating between 77 degrees and sunny or 50 degrees and wet. Winds are either from the Gulf of Alaska or straight from Hawaii but both can be very wet. It is time to add more antennas to the remuda. Please join us at: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From ka9zap at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 14:44:21 2016 From: ka9zap at gmail.com (Art Nienhouse) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 13:44:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5713D985.9010508@gmail.com> */I have found that to get a correct (calibration) done using the utility and to correct a issue with my K3 KPA500 that developed 2 years after I built it .......... I needed to use this dummy load for calibration. https://www.rfparts.com/dummy-loads/dummy-50/m1426.html All my other dummy loads would not let the Utility Calibrate correctly .........that said. After loading the Bata firmware on my KX3 mcu2.32 dsp 1.32 I'm seeing issues with power out. I had a issue with the original first design kit I built had very low out put I called customer service was sent a new RF deck which I installed my ATU on and tested all bands were 100 or 110 watts except the 40 meter band which is where I spend 99 % of my operating on cw. On 40 the power out was around 85 w and occasionally as high as 89 watts but now I see a totally different story. Watching the operation tab in the utility while running a rag chew full QSK I see the input power bouncing from 2.6 watts to 3.1 watts on key down it maintains 3.1 watt input Forward power is 82.5 watts out reflected is .2 swr is 1.0 I'm thinking something is software has changed the behavior of the amp it is advertised as a 100 watt amp it should have no issue getting to 100 watts My rest voltage is 14.1 the key down voltage is 12.4 the power supply is set to max which is 14.1 the 14 gauge zip power cable is what comes with a 100watt Icom the length is 4 foot there is no loss here that I can see to cause this low power output. If I were to install this amp in the car on the battery it would do 60 watts. I'm thinking a bit of tweaking to the firmware is necessary to set the drive power a bit higher might solve the low power issue. It's advertized as a 100 watt amp it should do 100 watts..................in a car at 12 volts even. And I should not need welding cable to supply the amp it voltage from 4 ft away. Art ka9zap /* On 4/16/2016 11:33 PM, Tom Field wrote: > Thanks for the replies. > I have gone through the procedure again. > I used the calibration procedure outlined on the Elecraft Website. > > > Some observations. With no load I have 14.63 volts coming into the KXPA > 100. > With the radio and amplifier on and resting, the current is approx 0.3 Amps > > Steps > Set the radio in the 160 meter band > Set P Cal > Closed the menu > Set Pwr to CAL 75 > Confirmed the KXPA 100 Is in bypass > Pressed Tune( I assume this is the button that says transmit) > Current rose to .9 Amps > If I took the pressure off the button, the current stayed up until I > pressed it again > The display showed 2 numbers On top 1.1 Below 5.0 > Pressed the button again > Normal Display returned > Moved on to 80 meter band > Same behaviour and findings > Moved to 60 meter band > Same > 40 meters, 30 meters, 20 meters same with approximately same current > 17 meters, Current went up to 1.21 Amps > 15 meters 1.24 Amps > 12 meters 1.45 Amps > 10 meters 1.45 Amps > 6 meters > Display showed 3 instead of 5 and 1.68 amps > > Opened the menue and turned the PA to on > > Set the PA back to auto > > set power at 75 Watts > Using the KXPA Utility > Input Power Forward Power > 160 m 0.8 48 > 80 m 1.0 50 > 60 m 1.2 52 > 40 m 1.2 51.4 > 30 m 1.1 56.8 > 20 m 1.6 59.2 > 17 m 1.6 82 > 15 m 1.2 51 > 12 m 1.0 49.5 > 10 m 1.2 50.3 > 6 m 2.0 60.6 > > The only band that came close was 17 meters. I wonder if there is something > about the calibration process. Accd to the notes from the Elecraft website > "Press TUNE. The KX3 will transmit for a short while then stop. During this > transmission, the KX3 and KXPA100 will determine what drive level is needed > to get to 75 watts" > > I found if I pushed and held TUNE, it started transmitting and did not stop > transmitting until I let off and pushed it again. > > Advice, suggestions welcome. > > Tom > KN6DR > > > On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Tom Field wrote: > >> I'm having difficulty getting more than about 70 to 80 watts out of the >> KXPA 100. I have it connected to a KX3 with the Elecraft cable and have >> gone through the calibration procedure as outlined in the owners manual and >> in Fred Cady's excellent book. >> >> For Example if I go through the calibration procedure on 40 meters, >> It appears to show a drive level of 5 watts to achieve 75 watt output. >> If I transmit into a dummy load, with the power setting at 100 watts, >> I have a drive power of about 2.6 watts and an output power of about 70 >> watts as shown in the KXPA Utility. >> >> Am I missing something? >> >> Tom >> KN6DR >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ka9zap at gmail.com From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Sun Apr 17 16:24:00 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 20:24:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Velleman AS9 mat for KX3 Message-ID: Hi folks, I'm adding a 2m unit to my factory built KX3, and wanted to check if the specs on this mat were adequate: http://www.velleman.eu/products/view/?country=be&lang=en&id=382422 surface resistance: ? 10^8 - 10^10 ?/sq volume resistance: < 10^10 ?/cm RTT (point to point): ? 10^8 - 10^10 ? It includes a wrist strap with a 1 M? resistor. The numbers look to be in the ball park of the examples given in the KX3 manual, but I wanted to check before I started poking around the guts of my very expensive toy. Bruce From nq5t at tx.rr.com Sun Apr 17 17:13:43 2016 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 16:13:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Velleman AS9 mat for KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B3C1EA8-83E9-4554-8EA7-DF55EE64B0EE@tx.rr.com> It'll be fine. I built my KX3/PX3 on one of these, and added a mod to my K3. Grant NQ5T Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Bruce Nourish wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I'm adding a 2m unit to my factory built KX3, and wanted to check if the > specs on this mat were adequate: > > http://www.velleman.eu/products/view/?country=be&lang=en&id=382422 > > surface resistance: ? 10^8 - 10^10 ?/sq > volume resistance: < 10^10 ?/cm > RTT (point to point): ? 10^8 - 10^10 ? > > It includes a wrist strap with a 1 M? resistor. The numbers look to be in > the ball park of the examples given in the KX3 manual, but I wanted to > check before I started poking around the guts of my very expensive toy. > > Bruce > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nq5t at tx.rr.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Apr 17 17:19:37 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 14:19:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output In-Reply-To: <5713D985.9010508@gmail.com> References: <5713D985.9010508@gmail.com> Message-ID: > On Apr 17, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Art Nienhouse wrote: > > My rest voltage is 14.1 the key down voltage is 12.4 [?]. the 14 gauge zip power cable is what comes with a 100watt Icom the length is 4 foot there is no loss here that I can see to cause this low power output. And there is your problem. The KXPA100 specs say "100 watts at 13.8 V?. It won?t produce 100W at 12.4V. A 1.7V drop under load is very large. The power supply and wiring cannot supply the required current without dropping the voltage. Eight feet of 14 gauge wire will have 0.9V drop at 24A. The electricity has to travel over both conductors of the 4 foot wire, which is why we use 8 feet. It looks like you have some additional problems beside the small power supply cable. Maybe there is resistance in the connectors (poor crimp? not seated?). Maybe the power supply won?t reliably supply 25A. Maybe the line voltage or house wiring has an issue. I would recommend at least 10 gauge wire and keeping the cables short. PowerWerx offers some useful pre-built cables at good prices. https://powerwerx.com/adapter-extension-cables wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From w4wfb at carolina.rr.com Sun Apr 17 17:25:58 2016 From: w4wfb at carolina.rr.com (Roy Morris) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:25:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 For Sale Message-ID: <000401d198ef$bbd81000$33883000$@carolina.rr.com> Selling my fully loaded Elecraft K2 serial number 2225 with options and accessories listed below. I am the original owner and builder. The radio is in excellent condition and calibration with latest mods and firmware listed below. No dings or dents. This has been my backup radio and never used portable or mobile. It covers 160 through 10 on CW and SSB. The radio comes with the following options: KPA100 100 W option KAT100-1 External ATU KDSP2 internal DSP Filter/Clock K160RX 160 M option K60XV 60 M and transverter interface option KNB2 Noise Blanker ETS15 1.5" Tilt Stand for KAT100-1 MD-2 Desk Mic VFO Finger Dimple Rework Eliminator K2 internal mic adapter Carrying Handle Custom Cover New Carrying Case All manuals and cables K2 MCU F/W 2.04 K2 IOC F/W 1.09 KDSP2 F/W 3.1 KSB2 F/W 1.08 KPA100 F/W 1.06 KAT100 F/W 1.05 Pics available. $1250 shipped CONUS only. Prefer Cashier's Check or Money Order for faster shipping or will accept personal check and ship in 10 days. Roy Morris W4WFB (704)376-4235 after 3PM Eastern. From ormandj at corenode.com Sun Apr 17 18:12:43 2016 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:12:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Make sure the 3db attenuation switch on the back is set to out/auto, not in. Had the same problem myself the other day. David On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Tom Field wrote: > I'm having difficulty getting more than about 70 to 80 watts out of the > KXPA 100. I have it connected to a KX3 with the Elecraft cable and have > gone through the calibration procedure as outlined in the owners manual and > in Fred Cady's excellent book. > > For Example if I go through the calibration procedure on 40 meters, > It appears to show a drive level of 5 watts to achieve 75 watt output. > If I transmit into a dummy load, with the power setting at 100 watts, > I have a drive power of about 2.6 watts and an output power of about 70 > watts as shown in the KXPA Utility. > > Am I missing something? > > Tom > KN6DR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ormandj at corenode.com > From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Sun Apr 17 18:28:27 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 15:28:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 working Message-ID: <1460932107072-7616478.post@n2.nabble.com> In case anyone's interested, I just completed my erstwhile dead K2 and it appears to be in good health on all bands after the final alignment. Whew... I dodged a bullet on this one lol.... The transmitter came out particularly good, ranging from about 11 to 12 watts max on 10M up to around 14W max on 80 (on a 12v 9AH battery). I was extremely careful with winding the transformers in this rig, T2 in particular and positioning it above the board a bit as specified, moreso than in my first K2. So it actually outperforms my first K2 by almost a watt on 10 and 12M lol. Either that or the first one just needs realigned which it probably does. The RX seems to be fine on all bands too according to my XG3. All that's left is the final assembly and then I'll decide what options to put in it. But first I need to take it out /p and use it for a bit to make sure it's all good. I can use my X1 external antenna tuner for that.... Anyway, thank goodness. It lives! Tnx es 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-working-tp7616478.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sun Apr 17 19:18:47 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 18:18:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output In-Reply-To: References: <5713D985.9010508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <571419D7.2030007@mediacombb.net> WRU nailed it. I missed it in the original posting. You're losing 1.7 volts in 8ft of that "#14 wire". That's about as bad as it gets. Why didn't you use the power cable supplied with the amp? I believe it's #12. What kind of power supply is running the amp? It has to be 25 amps peak *minimum*, I'd say continuous. What else is being run on the same power supply? On 4/17/2016 4:19 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> On Apr 17, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Art Nienhouse wrote: >> >> My rest voltage is 14.1 the key down voltage is 12.4 [?]. the 14 gauge zip power cable is what comes with a 100watt Icom the length is 4 foot there is no loss here that I can see to cause this low power output. > And there is your problem. The KXPA100 specs say "100 watts at 13.8 V?. It won?t produce 100W at 12.4V. > > A 1.7V drop under load is very large. The power supply and wiring cannot supply the required current without dropping the voltage. > > Eight feet of 14 gauge wire will have 0.9V drop at 24A. The electricity has to travel over both conductors of the 4 foot wire, which is why we use 8 feet. > > It looks like you have some additional problems beside the small power supply cable. Maybe there is resistance in the connectors (poor crimp? not seated?). Maybe the power supply won?t reliably supply 25A. Maybe the line voltage or house wiring has an issue. > > I would recommend at least 10 gauge wire and keeping the cables short. PowerWerx offers some useful pre-built cables at good prices. > > https://powerwerx.com/adapter-extension-cables > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sun Apr 17 19:20:59 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 18:20:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 working In-Reply-To: <1460932107072-7616478.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460932107072-7616478.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <57141A5B.2080706@mediacombb.net> Congratulations! You were ready to make an anchor out of a week ago. On 4/17/2016 5:28 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: > In case anyone's interested, I just completed my erstwhile dead K2 and it > appears to be in good health on all bands after the final alignment. > > Whew... I dodged a bullet on this one lol.... > > The transmitter came out particularly good, ranging from about 11 to 12 > watts max on 10M up to around 14W max on 80 (on a 12v 9AH battery). I was > extremely careful with winding the transformers in this rig, T2 in > particular and positioning it above the board a bit as specified, moreso > than in my first K2. So it actually outperforms my first K2 by almost a watt > on 10 and 12M lol. Either that or the first one just needs realigned which > it probably does. > > The RX seems to be fine on all bands too according to my XG3. > > All that's left is the final assembly and then I'll decide what options to > put in it. But first I need to take it out /p and use it for a bit to make > sure it's all good. I can use my X1 external antenna tuner for that.... > > Anyway, thank goodness. It lives! > > Tnx es 73, > LS > W5QD > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-working-tp7616478.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin.stover at mediacombb.net > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From ron at cobi.biz Sun Apr 17 19:47:48 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 16:47:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output In-Reply-To: <571419D7.2030007@mediacombb.net> References: <5713D985.9010508@gmail.com> <571419D7.2030007@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <000601d19903$8c415ae0$a4c410a0$@biz> A quality 20A peak supply is fine. For over a decade I've run a K3 and then a K3S and, when those aren't on a KX3/KXPA100 off of an Astron 20 without an issue as long as the finals see a decent SWR (current demand skyrockets as the SWR goes up). At low SWR's none of the rigs exceeds 18 to 19 amps, max. The 20 means 20A peak current - ICS rated (5 min on 5 min off). That Astron is rated at 16A continuous but Amateur stuff is almost never "continuous". Consider that 20A at 13.8VDC is 276 watts. As long as the rig is not way below 40% overall efficiency there will be no problem. That's using a quality linear supply. I'm not so casual about a switcher or a cheaper supply. I use the Elecraft supplied power cables on everything. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Stover Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 4:19 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output WRU nailed it. I missed it in the original posting. You're losing 1.7 volts in 8ft of that "#14 wire". That's about as bad as it gets. Why didn't you use the power cable supplied with the amp? I believe it's #12. What kind of power supply is running the amp? It has to be 25 amps peak *minimum*, I'd say continuous. What else is being run on the same power supply? From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Apr 17 20:04:59 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:04:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output In-Reply-To: <000601d19903$8c415ae0$a4c410a0$@biz> References: <5713D985.9010508@gmail.com> <571419D7.2030007@mediacombb.net> <000601d19903$8c415ae0$a4c410a0$@biz> Message-ID: <2F5C8507-FA7F-4F48-B72E-792B694FA470@wunderwood.org> Glad that a 20 A supply works for you, but the specs say: "12-15 Vdc (13.8 V nominal), at least 24 A peak capacity. About 1 mA parasitic drain current whenever dc power is connected.? So for the least problems, make sure that your supply can deliver 24 A peak, not 20 A peak. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Apr 17, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > A quality 20A peak supply is fine. For over a decade I've run a K3 and then a K3S and, when those aren't on a KX3/KXPA100 off of an Astron 20 without an issue as long as the finals see a decent SWR (current demand skyrockets as the SWR goes up). At low SWR's none of the rigs exceeds 18 to 19 amps, max. > > The 20 means 20A peak current - ICS rated (5 min on 5 min off). That Astron is rated at 16A continuous but Amateur stuff is almost never "continuous". > > Consider that 20A at 13.8VDC is 276 watts. As long as the rig is not way below 40% overall efficiency there will be no problem. > > That's using a quality linear supply. I'm not so casual about a switcher or a cheaper supply. > > I use the Elecraft supplied power cables on everything. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Stover > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 4:19 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output > > WRU nailed it. I missed it in the original posting. > You're losing 1.7 volts in 8ft of that "#14 wire". That's about as bad as it gets. > Why didn't you use the power cable supplied with the amp? I believe it's #12. > What kind of power supply is running the amp? It has to be 25 amps peak *minimum*, I'd say continuous. What else is being run on the same power supply? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sun Apr 17 20:07:45 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 19:07:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output In-Reply-To: <000601d19903$8c415ae0$a4c410a0$@biz> References: <5713D985.9010508@gmail.com> <571419D7.2030007@mediacombb.net> <000601d19903$8c415ae0$a4c410a0$@biz> Message-ID: <57142551.5040708@mediacombb.net> I see your points. I'm just a little more conservative (paranoid) than others. I like a little headroom. I've got a pair of RS-35M's that are 24 and 20 years old. I can't kill em. On 4/17/2016 6:47 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > A quality 20A peak supply is fine. For over a decade I've run a K3 and then a K3S and, when those aren't on a KX3/KXPA100 off of an Astron 20 without an issue as long as the finals see a decent SWR (current demand skyrockets as the SWR goes up). At low SWR's none of the rigs exceeds 18 to 19 amps, max. > > The 20 means 20A peak current - ICS rated (5 min on 5 min off). That Astron is rated at 16A continuous but Amateur stuff is almost never "continuous". > > Consider that 20A at 13.8VDC is 276 watts. As long as the rig is not way below 40% overall efficiency there will be no problem. > > That's using a quality linear supply. I'm not so casual about a switcher or a cheaper supply. > > I use the Elecraft supplied power cables on everything. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Stover > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 4:19 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output > > WRU nailed it. I missed it in the original posting. > You're losing 1.7 volts in 8ft of that "#14 wire". That's about as bad as it gets. > Why didn't you use the power cable supplied with the amp? I believe it's #12. > What kind of power supply is running the amp? It has to be 25 amps peak *minimum*, I'd say continuous. What else is being run on the same power supply? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin.stover at mediacombb.net > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From n1al at sonic.net Sun Apr 17 20:10:08 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:10:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Velleman AS9 mat for KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <571425E0.10100@sonic.net> I'm suspicious. Why are some resistances specified "+/-"? I'm pretty sure it doesn't have a negative resistance. And the units of volume resistivity are ohm-cm (or ohm-m), not ohm/cm. The fact that it doesn't specify compliance to any industry standard also is a concern. An anti-static mat should comply with "ANSI/ESD S4.1" or "ANSI/ESD S20.20". Those standards specify measuring the resistance between two weighted, circular electrodes of a certain size and spaced a certain distance apart on the mat. The resistance should measure between 1 Mohm and 1 Gohm, depending on the relative humidity. Here are the results of some testing I did on anti-static mats a few years ago, along with a recommendation for one mat I found that did measure within spec: http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft%40mailman.qth.net/msg94407.html The bottom line is, many so-called "anti-static" mats don't do the job. And the problem is, there is no easy way to tell. Just because you managed to build something without damaging any parts doesn't prove the mat is working correctly. This is one area where it doesn't pay to go cheap. Alan N1AL On 04/17/2016 01:24 PM, Bruce Nourish wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm adding a 2m unit to my factory built KX3, and wanted to check if the > specs on this mat were adequate: > > http://www.velleman.eu/products/view/?country=be&lang=en&id=382422 > > surface resistance: ? 10^8 - 10^10 ?/sq > volume resistance: < 10^10 ?/cm > RTT (point to point): ? 10^8 - 10^10 ? > > It includes a wrist strap with a 1 M? resistor. The numbers look to be in > the ball park of the examples given in the KX3 manual, but I wanted to > check before I started poking around the guts of my very expensive toy. > > Bruce From ron at cobi.biz Sun Apr 17 22:27:18 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 19:27:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output In-Reply-To: <2F5C8507-FA7F-4F48-B72E-792B694FA470@wunderwood.org> References: <5713D985.9010508@gmail.com> <571419D7.2030007@mediacombb.net> <000601d19903$8c415ae0$a4c410a0$@biz> <2F5C8507-FA7F-4F48-B72E-792B694FA470@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <000a01d19919$d4e38e10$7eaaaa30$@biz> As I said, that?s true if you occasionally drive high SWR loads. There?s no downside in normal operation. And with a supply like the Astron, if you accidentally overload it, all you need do is cycle the power switch. 73 Ron AC7AC From: Walter Underwood [mailto:wunder at wunderwood.org] Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 5:05 PM To: Ron D'Eau Claire; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output Glad that a 20 A supply works for you, but the specs say: "12-15 Vdc (13.8 V nominal), at least 24 A peak capacity. About 1 mA parasitic drain current whenever dc power is connected.? So for the least problems, make sure that your supply can deliver 24 A peak, not 20 A peak. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On Apr 17, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: A quality 20A peak supply is fine. For over a decade I've run a K3 and then a K3S and, when those aren't on a KX3/KXPA100 off of an Astron 20 without an issue as long as the finals see a decent SWR (current demand skyrockets as the SWR goes up). At low SWR's none of the rigs exceeds 18 to 19 amps, max. The 20 means 20A peak current - ICS rated (5 min on 5 min off). That Astron is rated at 16A continuous but Amateur stuff is almost never "continuous". Consider that 20A at 13.8VDC is 276 watts. As long as the rig is not way below 40% overall efficiency there will be no problem. That's using a quality linear supply. I'm not so casual about a switcher or a cheaper supply. I use the Elecraft supplied power cables on everything. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Stover Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 4:19 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output WRU nailed it. I missed it in the original posting. You're losing 1.7 volts in 8ft of that "#14 wire". That's about as bad as it gets. Why didn't you use the power cable supplied with the amp? I believe it's #12. What kind of power supply is running the amp? It has to be 25 amps peak *minimum*, I'd say continuous. What else is being run on the same power supply? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From ron at cobi.biz Sun Apr 17 22:28:46 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 19:28:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output In-Reply-To: <57142551.5040708@mediacombb.net> References: <5713D985.9010508@gmail.com> <571419D7.2030007@mediacombb.net> <000601d19903$8c415ae0$a4c410a0$@biz> <57142551.5040708@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <000f01d1991a$08dbff90$1a93feb0$@biz> Sure. If I were buying a supply today I'd get a 35A. But the 20A was in hand and so I used it and I was just sharing my experience with it. 73 Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Stover Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 5:08 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output I see your points. I'm just a little more conservative (paranoid) than others. I like a little headroom. I've got a pair of RS-35M's that are 24 and 20 years old. I can't kill em. On 4/17/2016 6:47 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > A quality 20A peak supply is fine. For over a decade I've run a K3 and then a K3S and, when those aren't on a KX3/KXPA100 off of an Astron 20 without an issue as long as the finals see a decent SWR (current demand skyrockets as the SWR goes up). At low SWR's none of the rigs exceeds 18 to 19 amps, max. > > The 20 means 20A peak current - ICS rated (5 min on 5 min off). That Astron is rated at 16A continuous but Amateur stuff is almost never "continuous". > > Consider that 20A at 13.8VDC is 276 watts. As long as the rig is not way below 40% overall efficiency there will be no problem. > > That's using a quality linear supply. I'm not so casual about a switcher or a cheaper supply. > > I use the Elecraft supplied power cables on everything. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Kevin Stover > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 4:19 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output > > WRU nailed it. I missed it in the original posting. > You're losing 1.7 volts in 8ft of that "#14 wire". That's about as bad as it gets. > Why didn't you use the power cable supplied with the amp? I believe it's #12. > What kind of power supply is running the amp? It has to be 25 amps peak *minimum*, I'd say continuous. What else is being run on the same power supply? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > kevin.stover at mediacombb.net > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From ron at cobi.biz Sun Apr 17 22:38:58 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 19:38:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Velleman AS9 mat for KX3 In-Reply-To: <571425E0.10100@sonic.net> References: <571425E0.10100@sonic.net> Message-ID: <001001d1991b$762f40b0$628dc210$@biz> Aw, gee Alan. 1) Plus or minus 10% of say 10 Megohms simply means between 9 and 11 Meghoms. No negative resistance is implied or needed (but if you find one you'll be rich and famous!) 2) A solidus is commonly used in place of "per" so I read that as the resistance between two electrodes a certain distance apart. That said, Alan did the evaluation of a several AS mats that led to the list I used in many Elecraft manuals because, as he found, many mats are virtually useless for dissipating static. Here's the list Alan developed that we recommend: >> U-line (Model 12743 specified at 107 ohms) >> Desco (Model 66164, specified at 106 to 108 ohms) >> 3MTM Portable Service Kit (Model 8505 or 8507, specified at 106 to 109 ohms) 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Alan Bloom Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 5:10 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Velleman AS9 mat for KX3 I'm suspicious. Why are some resistances specified "+/-"? I'm pretty sure it doesn't have a negative resistance. And the units of volume resistivity are ohm-cm (or ohm-m), not ohm/cm. The fact that it doesn't specify compliance to any industry standard also is a concern. An anti-static mat should comply with "ANSI/ESD S4.1" or "ANSI/ESD S20.20". Those standards specify measuring the resistance between two weighted, circular electrodes of a certain size and spaced a certain distance apart on the mat. The resistance should measure between 1 Mohm and 1 Gohm, depending on the relative humidity. Here are the results of some testing I did on anti-static mats a few years ago, along with a recommendation for one mat I found that did measure within spec: http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft%40mailman.qth.net/msg94407.html The bottom line is, many so-called "anti-static" mats don't do the job. And the problem is, there is no easy way to tell. Just because you managed to build something without damaging any parts doesn't prove the mat is working correctly. This is one area where it doesn't pay to go cheap. Alan N1AL On 04/17/2016 01:24 PM, Bruce Nourish wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm adding a 2m unit to my factory built KX3, and wanted to check if > the specs on this mat were adequate: > > http://www.velleman.eu/products/view/?country=be&lang=en&id=382422 > > surface resistance: ? 10^8 - 10^10 ?/sq volume resistance: < 10^10 > ?/cm RTT (point to point): ? 10^8 - 10^10 ? > > It includes a wrist strap with a 1 M? resistor. The numbers look to be > in the ball park of the examples given in the KX3 manual, but I wanted > to check before I started poking around the guts of my very expensive toy. > > Bruce ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From rv6amark at yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 22:43:42 2016 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark, KE6BB) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 19:43:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output Message-ID: Re: ? "WRU nailed it. I missed it in the original posting. ?You're losing 1.7 volts in 8ft of that "#14 wire"." That's why Walter is known as "wunder"! ?<> I missed it, too :-( Mark ars: ?KE6BB? -------- Original message -------- From: Kevin Stover Date: 04/17/2016 4:18 PM (GMT-08:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA Power Output WRU nailed it. I missed it in the original posting. You're losing 1.7 volts in 8ft of that "#14 wire". That's about as bad as it gets. Why didn't you use the power cable supplied with the amp? I believe it's #12. What kind of power supply is running the amp? It has to be 25 amps peak *minimum*, I'd say continuous. What else is being run on the same power supply? On 4/17/2016 4:19 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> On Apr 17, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Art Nienhouse wrote: >> >> My rest voltage is 14.1 the key down voltage is 12.4 [?]. the 14 gauge zip power cable is what comes with a 100watt Icom the length is 4 foot there is no loss here that I can see to cause this low power output. > And there is your problem. The KXPA100 specs say "100 watts at 13.8 V?. It won?t produce 100W at 12.4V. > > A 1.7V drop under load is very large. The power supply and wiring cannot supply the required current without dropping the voltage. > > Eight feet of 14 gauge wire will have 0.9V drop at 24A. The electricity has to travel over both conductors of the 4 foot wire, which is why we use 8 feet. > > It looks like you have some additional problems beside the small power supply cable. Maybe there is resistance in the connectors (poor crimp? not seated?). Maybe the power supply won?t reliably supply 25A. Maybe the line voltage or house wiring has an issue. > > I would recommend at least 10 gauge wire and keeping the cables short. PowerWerx offers some useful pre-built cables at good prices. > > https://powerwerx.com/adapter-extension-cables > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rv6amark at yahoo.com From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Mon Apr 18 00:26:39 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 21:26:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 working In-Reply-To: <57141A5B.2080706@mediacombb.net> References: <1460932107072-7616478.post@n2.nabble.com> <57141A5B.2080706@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <1460953599989-7616484.post@n2.nabble.com> Yes, like I said, I dodged a bullet on this build for sure, hi hi. Here are two pics of the completed board, the bandpass filter relays is where I did all the damage but fortunately now it's not even visible and it all seems to be working. And the toroids came out better in this build than my first K2 also. Some of em look like the builder might have known what he was doing! sort of.. hi hi. Final assembly will proceed tomorrow, though I'm not putting any options in it until I've used it on the air a bit to check it out and burn it in... 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-working-tp7616478p7616484.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2mk at comcast.net Mon Apr 18 06:30:23 2016 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 03:30:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FS PR6 6 meter pre-amp for K3 (not K3S) Message-ID: <1460975423851-7616485.post@n2.nabble.com> I have my own personal PR6 for sale. It includes the two male to male BNC adapters, the 12 volt power cable that plugs into the K3, the 15 pin accessory plug that plugs into the K3 accessory socket, and the instruction manual. It's in perfect operating condition. I no longer need it as I am moving to a no-antennas-allowed neighborhood. Price is $55 and I will ship for free within the contiguous 48 states. A little extra for KL7 and KH6. Unfortunately I am not prepared to ship to foreign locations. Write to me directly at: k2mk at comcast dot net 73, Mike K2MK -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FS-PR6-6-meter-pre-amp-for-K3-not-K3S-tp7616485.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gafenwick at att.net Mon Apr 18 09:16:28 2016 From: gafenwick at att.net (George Fenwick) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:16:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3 and P3 In-Reply-To: <1UKlStgoLO.12tqaqa8wq2@desktop-thjdvmg> Message-ID: <1UKlStgoLO.12tqaqa8wq2@desktop-thjdvmg> ELECRAFT K3/100, SN 7179, and P3 w/SVGA, SN 2970 Main Receiver has 2.8 and 1.8 filters KRX3 Sub Receiver with 2.7 filter KXV3A for IF Out and XVTR Interface KIO3 I/O adapter KDVR Digital Voice Recorder NO ATU! (I used my KAT500 which is not for sale) Nifty K3 manual, Nifty P3 Manual Raytheon Commercial grade hand microphone (with Noise Canceling) Power Cable with APP connectors, P3 cables come with P3. Good Condition, Works fine. One non-smoking owner. No DXPeditions or Mobile. Take it out of the box and plug it into your PS and antenna and you are on the air. W2AIV. Contact me at gafenwick at att.net. PayPal OK. K3, $2700 shipped CONUS (only). P3w/SVGA, $800 shipped CONUS (only), or $3300 for both. P3 will not be sold until the K3 sells. Pictures on request. From eric at elecraft.com Mon Apr 18 10:34:07 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 07:34:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Factory Mains Power Down This Morning Message-ID: There is a massive power outage this morning covering the industrial park where Elecraft HQ is located. Phones are currently off-line for our sales and support team. We will also be delayed replying to emails today. (All emails sent to us will still be stored at our off-site ISP. Our web page and on-line ordering are hosted off-site, so they are still up. PG&E estimates power will be restored some time later this afternoon. (Two major underground transformers failed and must be trucked in from out of the area.) 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ From rboates at incentre.net Mon Apr 18 10:35:48 2016 From: rboates at incentre.net (Randy Boates) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 08:35:48 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 remote power on. Message-ID: <77D2C2E1-6368-4430-81E6-3712DC234525@incentre.net> I am interested in a way to remotely power on a k3 or k3s without the remote rig boxes. Nice apps already exist to remotely operate the kat500 and kpa500. Any suggestions? Why? Remote operation of my second k3 for digital modes. Assistance appreciated. Randy From eastbrantwood at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 10:46:43 2016 From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 15:46:43 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Factory Mains Power Down This Morning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Testing the new amplifier then... :-) 73 Stephen G4SJP On 18 April 2016 at 15:34, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > There is a massive power outage this morning covering the industrial park > where Elecraft HQ is located. Phones are currently off-line for our sales > and support team. We will also be delayed replying to emails today. (All > emails sent to us will still be stored at our off-site ISP. > > Our web page and on-line ordering are hosted off-site, so they are still > up. > > PG&E estimates power will be restored some time later this afternoon. (Two > major underground transformers failed and must be trucked in from out of > the area.) > > 73, > > Eric > elecraft.com > _..._ > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eastbrantwood at gmail.com > From jermo at carolinaheli.com Mon Apr 18 13:04:42 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 13:04:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 vs SDRPlay on Raspberry Pi Message-ID: <003001d19994$6fd821e0$4f8865a0$@carolinaheli.com> I'm looking at getting a Pan adapter of sorts in the near future. I like what I'm reading about SDRPlay but since I use a Raspberry Pi to interface my K3S I'm not sure on what software is available for that platform. Their website is a bit vague on it. Is anyone currently successfully using SDR play with linux/Raspberry PI as a panadapter and what software are you using? Ideally I'd want to be able to view the entire band (SDRPlay has 8MHz bandwidth), and be able to click on a signal to change freq to that signal. I was previously able to do that with a USB SDR using a windows app. I no longer want to use windows because of the hardware/power requirements. Thanks in advance. Jerry Moore, AE4PB From k2mk at comcast.net Mon Apr 18 13:23:49 2016 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:23:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FS PR6 6 meter pre-amp for K3 (not K3S) In-Reply-To: <1460975423851-7616485.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1460975423851-7616485.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1461000229545-7616491.post@n2.nabble.com> The PR6 has been sold. 73, Mike K2MK Mike K2MK wrote > I have my own personal PR6 for sale. It includes the two male to male BNC > adapters, the 12 volt power cable that plugs into the K3, the 15 pin > accessory plug that plugs into the K3 accessory socket, and the > instruction manual. It's in perfect operating condition. I no longer need > it as I am moving to a no-antennas-allowed neighborhood. > > Price is $55 and I will ship for free within the contiguous 48 states. A > little extra for KL7 and KH6. Unfortunately I am not prepared to ship to > foreign locations. > > Write to me directly at: > k2mk at comcast dot net > > 73, > Mike K2MK -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/FS-PR6-6-meter-pre-amp-for-K3-not-K3S-tp7616485p7616491.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Apr 18 13:40:41 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 10:40:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia Message-ID: To everyone who checked out the K-Pod at Visalia: Thanks for your enthusiastic reception, and for all the suggested uses. There were lots of expressions of surprise at how compact, yet heavy (and stable) this little critter is. Some of your suggestions will end up in the K-Pod owner's manual, in the form of step-by-step macro setups. It seems that those who purchased a K-Pod so far fall into two camps: - Contesters looking to optimize their efficiency of motion by placing the K-Pod next to their computer keyboard - Everyone who would like additional front-panel controls on the K3/K3S for special features, such as custom splits. We'll also be able to execute P3 macros directly from K-Pod switches, as well as use the K-Pod's knob to control the marker knob on the P3. 73, Wayne N6KR From avavra1 at verizon.net Mon Apr 18 13:47:20 2016 From: avavra1 at verizon.net (andrew vavra) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Is it possible?? Use SP3 spkr for main RX + internal spkr for sub RX?? References: <735137274.2705007.1461001640688.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <735137274.2705007.1461001640688.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone know if the K3S internal speaker can be assigned Sub receiver for dual receive while the Main receiver is piped to an external speaker like the SP3? I currently have a pair of non-Elecraft external speakers plugged into the rear speaker jack and the rig set for speakers = 2. I love the look of the SP3, but find the price tag to purchase two of them a bit too high for my limited budget. de Andy, KD3RF From bob.novas at verizon.net Mon Apr 18 14:14:08 2016 From: bob.novas at verizon.net (Bob Novas) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:14:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <043801d1999e$1a073ee0$4e15bca0$@verizon.net> Ooooo! I really like the idea of the K-Pod controlling the P3 marker knob, that hasn't come up before. That's enough to swing my opinion to wanting one. How does that play with the 3-way switch? Bob W3DK > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne > Burdick > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 1:41 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector; Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com; > elecraft at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia > > To everyone who checked out the K-Pod at Visalia: Thanks for your enthusiastic > reception, and for all the suggested uses. There were lots of expressions of > surprise at how compact, yet heavy (and stable) this little critter is. > > Some of your suggestions will end up in the K-Pod owner's manual, in the form > of step-by-step macro setups. > > It seems that those who purchased a K-Pod so far fall into two camps: > > - Contesters looking to optimize their efficiency of motion by placing the K-Pod > next to their computer keyboard > > - Everyone who would like additional front-panel controls on the K3/K3S for > special features, such as custom splits. > > We'll also be able to execute P3 macros directly from K-Pod switches, as well as > use the K-Pod's knob to control the marker knob on the P3. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to bob.novas at verizon.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Apr 18 14:20:22 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:20:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia In-Reply-To: <043801d1999e$1a073ee0$4e15bca0$@verizon.net> References: <043801d1999e$1a073ee0$4e15bca0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <7FAC3E8E-2E24-40CE-8E53-1A9961E4B6BC@elecraft.com> On Apr 18, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Bob Novas wrote: > Ooooo! I really like the idea of the K-Pod controlling the P3 marker knob, > that hasn't come up before. That's enough to swing my opinion to wanting > one. How does that play with the 3-way switch? Bob W3DK Hi Bob, Initially we'd probably provide a way to map another switch, say F8, as P3-knob-mode on/off. We could light up indicator D4 when that assignment was in effect. Another possibility would be to make one of the rocker switch positions = P3 marker. Either way, it will require a Utility program, possibly a tab on K3 Utility, to do the setup. Wayne N6KR From john at kk9a.com Mon Apr 18 14:22:45 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:22:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia Message-ID: <3490917039d6b55dfb3b29b9f5cd8f13.squirrel@www11.qth.com> I did not know that P3 control was also possible with the K-Pod. Does this work using the standard cable connected to the K3S or is an additional cable necessary? Until last week I never realized that I wanted a device like this. John KK9A Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Apr 18 13:40:41 EDT 2016 We'll also be able to execute P3 macros directly from K-Pod switches, as well as use the K-Pod's knob to control the marker knob on the P3. 73, Wayne N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Apr 18 14:37:17 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:37:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia In-Reply-To: <3490917039d6b55dfb3b29b9f5cd8f13.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <3490917039d6b55dfb3b29b9f5cd8f13.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: <50601968-B96A-45AF-8D3C-2B8D5D3B5197@elecraft.com> On Apr 18, 2016, at 11:22 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > I did not know that P3 control was also possible with the K-Pod. Does this > work using the standard cable connected to the K3S... Yes. Wayne From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk Mon Apr 18 15:07:19 2016 From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 20:07:19 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia In-Reply-To: <50601968-B96A-45AF-8D3C-2B8D5D3B5197@elecraft.com> References: <3490917039d6b55dfb3b29b9f5cd8f13.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <50601968-B96A-45AF-8D3C-2B8D5D3B5197@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <28BD1B02-3683-428A-8236-888FC7970752@Alphadene.co.uk> Wayne, when you say control P3, is that via the K3 or do you need to connect it directly to the P3? 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) -- Since we are destined to live out our lives in the prison of our minds, our one duty is to furnish it well. -Peter Ustinov, actor, writer and director (1921-2004) > On 18 Apr 2016, at 19:37, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > On Apr 18, 2016, at 11:22 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > >> I did not know that P3 control was also possible with the K-Pod. Does this >> work using the standard cable connected to the K3S... > > Yes. > > Wayne > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m0xdf at alphadene.co.uk From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Apr 18 15:11:43 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:11:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia In-Reply-To: <28BD1B02-3683-428A-8236-888FC7970752@Alphadene.co.uk> References: <3490917039d6b55dfb3b29b9f5cd8f13.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <50601968-B96A-45AF-8D3C-2B8D5D3B5197@elecraft.com> <28BD1B02-3683-428A-8236-888FC7970752@Alphadene.co.uk> Message-ID: <1AECDD0F-E25F-4B79-8717-82AF77E1AE66@elecraft.com> On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:07 PM, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" wrote: > Wayne, when you say control P3, is that via the K3 or do you need to connect it directly to the P3? Via the K3, i.e. the K-Pod would be connected to the K3, and the radio would act as a proxy for commands destined for the P3. 73, Wayne N6KR From kg6mti at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 18 15:21:33 2016 From: kg6mti at sbcglobal.net (David Davis) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 13:21:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] New shack PC... Message-ID: <571533BD.9000101@sbcglobal.net> I am curious what flavor of Linux everyone prefers with respect to being able to run the Elecraft utilities for the KX3 and other software related to amateur radio. Thanks in advance for the replies. David KG6MTI From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Mon Apr 18 15:24:01 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:24:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New shack PC... In-Reply-To: <571533BD.9000101@sbcglobal.net> References: <571533BD.9000101@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <57153451.8060304@roadrunner.com> Ubuntu 14.04, 16.04 work well. So does Kali. 73! matt, W6NIA On 4/18/2016 12:21 PM, David Davis wrote: > I am curious what flavor of Linux everyone prefers with respect to > being able to run the Elecraft utilities for the KX3 and other > software related to amateur radio. > > Thanks in advance for the replies. > > David > KG6MTI > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein From rdarlington at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 15:25:22 2016 From: rdarlington at gmail.com (Bob Darlington) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 13:25:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] New shack PC... In-Reply-To: <571533BD.9000101@sbcglobal.net> References: <571533BD.9000101@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I don't believe there are any Elecraft utilities that run on Linux. You could likely get away with VirtualBox to run a Windows VM though. On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 1:21 PM, David Davis wrote: > I am curious what flavor of Linux everyone prefers with respect to being > able to run the Elecraft utilities for the KX3 and other software related > to amateur radio. > > Thanks in advance for the replies. > > David > KG6MTI > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rdarlington at gmail.com > From lists at subich.com Mon Apr 18 15:34:57 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 15:34:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <571536E1.1090703@subich.com> > We'll also be able to execute P3 macros directly from K-Pod switches, > as well as use the K-Pod's knob to control the marker knob on the P3. Does this include other P3 encoder functions like REF LVL, SCALE, and CENTER? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/18/2016 1:40 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > To everyone who checked out the K-Pod at Visalia: Thanks for your enthusiastic reception, and for all the suggested uses. There were lots of expressions of surprise at how compact, yet heavy (and stable) this little critter is. > > Some of your suggestions will end up in the K-Pod owner's manual, in the form of step-by-step macro setups. > > It seems that those who purchased a K-Pod so far fall into two camps: > > - Contesters looking to optimize their efficiency of motion by placing the K-Pod next to their computer keyboard > > - Everyone who would like additional front-panel controls on the K3/K3S for special features, such as custom splits. > > We'll also be able to execute P3 macros directly from K-Pod switches, as well as use the K-Pod's knob to control the marker knob on the P3. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From ppauly at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 15:34:38 2016 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 15:34:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia In-Reply-To: <1AECDD0F-E25F-4B79-8717-82AF77E1AE66@elecraft.com> References: <3490917039d6b55dfb3b29b9f5cd8f13.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <50601968-B96A-45AF-8D3C-2B8D5D3B5197@elecraft.com> <28BD1B02-3683-428A-8236-888FC7970752@Alphadene.co.uk> <1AECDD0F-E25F-4B79-8717-82AF77E1AE66@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Why do I have the feeling I'll be waiting three hours at Dayton just to touch the K-Pod? On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:07 PM, "David Ferrington, M0XDF" < > M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk> wrote: > > > Wayne, when you say control P3, is that via the K3 or do you need to > connect it directly to the P3? > > Via the K3, i.e. the K-Pod would be connected to the K3, and the radio > would act as a proxy for commands destined for the P3. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ppauly at gmail.com > From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Mon Apr 18 15:45:42 2016 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:45:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New shack PC... In-Reply-To: References: <571533BD.9000101@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <57153966.2020404@roadrunner.com> All the Windows-native Elecraft utilities work fine with Wine. Elecraft also supplies Linux versions, though they may run downrev from their Windoze counterparts. If using Wine, you'll have to configure a serial port as a DOS device (see https://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guide/misc-things-to-configure). 73! matt, W6NIA On 4/18/2016 12:25 PM, Bob Darlington wrote: > I don't believe there are any Elecraft utilities that run on Linux. You > could likely get away with VirtualBox to run a Windows VM though. > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 1:21 PM, David Davis wrote: > >> I am curious what flavor of Linux everyone prefers with respect to being >> able to run the Elecraft utilities for the KX3 and other software related >> to amateur radio. >> >> Thanks in advance for the replies. >> >> David >> KG6MTI >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rdarlington at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com -- Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Mon Apr 18 16:20:08 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 13:20:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 crystal filter alignment question Message-ID: <1461010808711-7616506.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, Here's another teachable moment for me lol. On P54 of the K2 manual, there's an instruction to record the value written on the crystal filter package. It says that this measured freq can later be used to align the filters. I humbly admit that after a few years of being a K2 builder/owner and just now having built the second one, I still don't know how to use that number for filter alignment. I can't seem to find any instruction in the manual that says how to use this number. Did I just miss it and it's in there or is there another instruction on this somewhere? I've always just set mine up by the example on P 93, but I notice the bandpass setting vs. the sidetone is a little off in CW reverse on the new K2. Leading me to believe I've probably been missing a step all this time.... Tnx es 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-crystal-filter-alignment-question-tp7616506.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jermo at carolinaheli.com Mon Apr 18 17:00:57 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:00:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New shack PC... In-Reply-To: <57153966.2020404@roadrunner.com> References: <571533BD.9000101@sbcglobal.net> <57153966.2020404@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: I run a service that redirects the community to the network and on the windows side network to virtual Com port. The elecraft utilities run without issue as needed. I'm running raspberry pi with noobs debian. Jer On April 18, 2016 3:45:42 PM EDT, Matt Zilmer wrote: >All the Windows-native Elecraft utilities work fine with Wine. Elecraft > >also supplies Linux versions, though they may run downrev from their >Windoze counterparts. If using Wine, you'll have to configure a serial > >port as a DOS device (see >https://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guide/misc-things-to-configure). > >73! > >matt, W6NIA > >On 4/18/2016 12:25 PM, Bob Darlington wrote: >> I don't believe there are any Elecraft utilities that run on Linux. >You >> could likely get away with VirtualBox to run a Windows VM though. >> >> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 1:21 PM, David Davis >wrote: >> >>> I am curious what flavor of Linux everyone prefers with respect to >being >>> able to run the Elecraft utilities for the KX3 and other software >related >>> to amateur radio. >>> >>> Thanks in advance for the replies. >>> >>> David >>> KG6MTI >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rdarlington at gmail.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com > >-- >Always store beer in a dark place. - R. Heinlein > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From jermo at carolinaheli.com Mon Apr 18 17:03:04 2016 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:03:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 vs SDRPlay on Raspberry Pi In-Reply-To: <003501d19994$6ff23990$4fd6acb0$@carolinaheli.com> References: <003501d19994$6ff23990$4fd6acb0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: Did this go out? On April 18, 2016 1:04:42 PM EDT, Jerry Moore wrote: >I'm looking at getting a Pan adapter of sorts in the near future. I >like >what I'm reading about SDRPlay but since I use a Raspberry Pi to >interface >my K3S I'm not sure on what software is available for that platform. >Their >website is a bit vague on it. > >Is anyone currently successfully using SDR play with linux/Raspberry PI >as >a panadapter and what software are you using? > >Ideally I'd want to be able to view the entire band (SDRPlay has 8MHz >bandwidth), and be able to click on a signal to change freq to that >signal. I was previously able to do that with a USB SDR using a >windows >app. I no longer want to use windows because of the hardware/power >requirements. > > > >Thanks in advance. > >Jerry Moore, AE4PB -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From Jim.Kutsch at ky2d.com Mon Apr 18 17:05:09 2016 From: Jim.Kutsch at ky2d.com (Jim Kutsch, KY2D) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:05:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia References: Message-ID: <002e01d199b5$fe1d5300$fa57f900$@ky2d.com> Wayne, It's not been asked yet but what about using the K-Pod on the KX3? At first, that might sound crazy since the KX3 is already very small. But, the additional macro buttons plus the rocker switch for VFO selection would be nice features for a KX3. 73, Jim, KY2D -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 1:41 PM To: Elecraft Reflector; Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com; elecraft at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia To everyone who checked out the K-Pod at Visalia: Thanks for your enthusiastic reception, and for all the suggested uses. There were lots of expressions of surprise at how compact, yet heavy (and stable) this little critter is. Some of your suggestions will end up in the K-Pod owner's manual, in the form of step-by-step macro setups. It seems that those who purchased a K-Pod so far fall into two camps: - Contesters looking to optimize their efficiency of motion by placing the K-Pod next to their computer keyboard - Everyone who would like additional front-panel controls on the K3/K3S for special features, such as custom splits. We'll also be able to execute P3 macros directly from K-Pod switches, as well as use the K-Pod's knob to control the marker knob on the P3. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jim.kutsch at ky2d.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Apr 18 17:39:32 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:39:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia In-Reply-To: <002e01d199b5$fe1d5300$fa57f900$@ky2d.com> References: <002e01d199b5$fe1d5300$fa57f900$@ky2d.com> Message-ID: Possible but not likely. I'll let you know if/when we try this. Wayne N6KR On Apr 18, 2016, at 2:05 PM, "Jim Kutsch, KY2D" wrote: > Wayne, > It's not been asked yet but what about using the K-Pod on the KX3? At first, > that might sound crazy since the KX3 is already very small. But, the > additional macro buttons plus the rocker switch for VFO selection would be > nice features for a KX3. > > 73, Jim, KY2D From crustacean at brig-elec.com Mon Apr 18 17:39:43 2016 From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:39:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New shack PC... In-Reply-To: <571533BD.9000101@sbcglobal.net> References: <571533BD.9000101@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1461015583.2984.1.camel@arabica> Linux Mint 17.3 On Mon, 2016-04-18 at 13:21 -0600, David Davis wrote: > I am curious what flavor of Linux everyone prefers with respect to being > able to run the Elecraft utilities for the KX3 and other software > related to amateur radio. > > Thanks in advance for the replies. > > David > KG6MTI > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com > From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Apr 18 17:41:01 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:41:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] K-Pod well received at Visalia In-Reply-To: <571536E1.1090703@subich.com> References: <571536E1.1090703@subich.com> Message-ID: <35851059-51F5-4454-BEC9-7598432A5093@elecraft.com> On Apr 18, 2016, at 12:34 PM, "'Joe Subich, W4TV' lists at subich.com [Elecraft_K3]" wrote: > > > We'll also be able to execute P3 macros directly from K-Pod switches, > > as well as use the K-Pod's knob to control the marker knob on the P3. > > Does this include other P3 encoder functions like REF LVL, SCALE, and > CENTER? To be determined. Wayne From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Apr 18 17:44:23 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:44:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It was really quite easy in Visalia at the International DX Conference. Between the "official" ones on display, and the personal ones various Elecraft people would pull out of their pockets, and keep an eagle eye on, you didn't have to wait too too long. 73 Bill AE6JV On 4/18/16 at 12:34 PM, ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) wrote: >Why do I have the feeling I'll be waiting three hours at Dayton just to >touch the K-Pod? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Privacy is dead, get over | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | it. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Scott McNealy | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From n0nb at n0nb.us Mon Apr 18 18:00:43 2016 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:00:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New shack PC... In-Reply-To: <571533BD.9000101@sbcglobal.net> References: <571533BD.9000101@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <20160418220043.GU3521@n0nb.us> * On 2016 18 Apr 14:24 -0500, David Davis wrote: > I am curious what flavor of Linux everyone prefers with respect to being > able to run the Elecraft utilities for the KX3 and other software related to > amateur radio. No problem with Debian 32 bit, a.k.a. i386 architecture. They can be run on 64 bit, a.k.a. amd64 provided multiarch is enabled for i386. See: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO 73, Nate N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From w6fvi at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 18 18:10:41 2016 From: w6fvi at sbcglobal.net (Brian & Cyndi) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 15:10:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57155B61.1020502@sbcglobal.net> "pull out of their pockets"?!?! Just how small is this thing? 73, Brian, W6FVI On 4/18/2016 2:44 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > It was really quite easy in Visalia at the International DX > Conference. Between the "official" ones on display, and the personal > ones various Elecraft people would pull out of their pockets, and keep > an eagle eye on, you didn't have to wait too too long. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > From ron at cobi.biz Mon Apr 18 18:27:41 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 15:27:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia In-Reply-To: <57155B61.1020502@sbcglobal.net> References: <57155B61.1020502@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <000e01d199c1$85d2af10$91780d30$@biz> Well, a K3S size knob nearly fills the "front panel" and it's roughly a cube. Might fit in an expanding pocket in Cargo Pants but might make them sag a bit. IIRC it weighs about a pound (450 grams). 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian & Cyndi Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 3:11 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia "pull out of their pockets"?!?! Just how small is this thing? 73, Brian, W6FVI On 4/18/2016 2:44 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > It was really quite easy in Visalia at the International DX > Conference. Between the "official" ones on display, and the personal > ones various Elecraft people would pull out of their pockets, and keep > an eagle eye on, you didn't have to wait too too long. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From eric at elecraft.com Mon Apr 18 18:53:59 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 15:53:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia In-Reply-To: <000e01d199c1$85d2af10$91780d30$@biz> References: <57155B61.1020502@sbcglobal.net> <000e01d199c1$85d2af10$91780d30$@biz> Message-ID: <57156587.4090007@elecraft.com> Its only 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches (9 x 7.5 x 2.5 cm) for the enclosure, plus the height of the VFO knob (same as the K3S/K3). Details at: http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 4/18/2016 3:27 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Well, a K3S size knob nearly fills the "front panel" and it's roughly a > cube. > > Might fit in an expanding pocket in Cargo Pants but might make them sag a > bit. IIRC it weighs about a pound (450 grams). > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian > & Cyndi > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 3:11 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Pod well received at Visalia > > "pull out of their pockets"?!?! > > Just how small is this thing? > > 73, > Brian, W6FVI > > On 4/18/2016 2:44 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >> It was really quite easy in Visalia at the International DX >> Conference. Between the "official" ones on display, and the personal >> ones various Elecraft people would pull out of their pockets, and keep >> an eagle eye on, you didn't have to wait too too long. >> >> 73 Bill AE6JV >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From eric at elecraft.com Mon Apr 18 20:26:05 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:26:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Factory Mains Power Down This Morning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57157B1D.6020304@elecraft.com> Mains Power, internet and phones are finally back up 100% at Elecraft HQ. Whew! Eric /elecraft.com/ On 4/18/2016 7:34 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > There is a massive power outage this morning covering the industrial park where Elecraft HQ is located. Phones are currently off-line for our sales and support team. We will also be delayed replying to emails today. (All emails sent to us will still be stored at our off-site ISP. > > Our web page and on-line ordering are hosted off-site, so they are still up. > > PG&E estimates power will be restored some time later this afternoon. (Two major underground transformers failed and must be trucked in from out of the area.) > From dave at nk7z.net Mon Apr 18 20:30:24 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:30:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Factory Mains Power Down This Morning In-Reply-To: <57157B1D.6020304@elecraft.com> References: <57157B1D.6020304@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1461025824.19135.25.camel@nk7z.net> The new K5000 amp? -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Mon, 2016-04-18 at 17:26 -0700, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > Mains Power, internet and phones are finally back up 100% at Elecraft > HQ. > > Whew! > > > Eric > /elecraft.com/ > > On 4/18/2016 7:34 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > > > > There is a massive power outage this morning covering the > > industrial park where Elecraft HQ is located. Phones are currently > > off-line for our sales and support team. We will also be delayed > > replying to emails today. (All emails sent to us will still be > > stored at our off-site ISP. > > > > Our web page and on-line ordering are hosted off-site, so they are > > still up. > > > > PG&E estimates power will be restored some time later this > > afternoon. (Two major underground transformers failed and must be > > trucked in from out of the area.) > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Apr 18 20:51:37 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 17:51:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Factory Mains Power Down This Morning In-Reply-To: <1461025824.19135.25.camel@nk7z.net> References: <57157B1D.6020304@elecraft.com> <1461025824.19135.25.camel@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <1A5DFCB0-7FF0-4CAF-8FE8-5B12DACFE3EF@elecraft.com> Dave Cole wrote: > The new K5000 amp? Nope. An early test of the K-EMP Electro Magnetic Pulse option for the KPA500. Really gets everyone's attention in pileups. Instead of yelling "UP!!" to chastise interlopers on the DX frequency, just push the big red button. Wayne N6KR From josh_walton at mac.com Mon Apr 18 22:20:03 2016 From: josh_walton at mac.com (Josh Walton) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 22:20:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 will not activate from KX3 when PX3 is installed Message-ID: When I install the KXPA100 (with ATU) with the KX3 & PX3 I am unable under the ?PA MODE? menu item to select ?ON?. I only have two choices in this menu, ?OFF? and ?Pout CAL?. When I turn the VFO A to the left from the ?OFF? setting, there are two relay clicks only. When I remove the plug from the ?ACC 1 PC? plug on the PX3, and move it to the KX3 (after removing the one there that runs to the ?ACC1 RCVR? I have the same behavior, however if I restart the PK3, it will now activate the KXPA100 and operate normally. I have triple checked the wiring. PX3 operates as expected (although the rotary encoder is a bit jumpy, but that?s another story.) Firmware Versions: KXPA100: 1.32 PX3:1.39 KX3 MCU 2.38, DSP 1.37 Any advice on what is going one would help! Thanks! 73 KK4LGZ Josh From Gary at ka1j.com Mon Apr 18 22:40:28 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 22:40:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Loading Old Configuration Into New K3S In-Reply-To: <5713C9DD.7090901@comcast.net> References: <0quah57484kxjjc6oxwbe7mk.1460913786985@email.android.com>, <5713C9DD.7090901@comcast.net> Message-ID: <57159A9C.18815.7353CEB@Gary.ka1j.com> I had earlier asked about using my config from my K3 and transferring it to my new K3s and was told it was not possible with the software available & not advised anyway because of the reasons already cited in this thread. Since I knew I had many options selected in my K3 and wanted them in my K3s and... knowing my memory isn't perfect, I thought about videotaping me going through all the configuration settings and then playing back the video in slow motion to change what I needed to in the K3s. I decided my better bet was to make a list of all the settings and keep that in my file for when I need to review things. When I received the K3s I went down the list, making changes where I saw fit. It took maybe an hour to write down everything but once that hour was over I didn't give a future thought to other ways of doing it. Its easy to do & hard copy is good. Took maybe 20 minutes to make the changes in the K3s. 73, Gary KA1J From a45wg at sy-edm.com Mon Apr 18 23:20:55 2016 From: a45wg at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 07:20:55 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New shack PC... In-Reply-To: <20160418220043.GU3521@n0nb.us> References: <571533BD.9000101@sbcglobal.net> <20160418220043.GU3521@n0nb.us> Message-ID: I use Ubuntu 14, 64 bit - The Elecraft utilities work fine. USB Connections are also easy and stable Darwin - El Capitain - The Elecraft utilities work fine. USB Connections are also easy and stable No issues under linux at all as far as I can see. Tim A45WG - Muscat > On 19 Apr 2016, at 02:00, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > * On 2016 18 Apr 14:24 -0500, David Davis wrote: >> I am curious what flavor of Linux everyone prefers with respect to being >> able to run the Elecraft utilities for the KX3 and other software related to >> amateur radio. > > No problem with Debian 32 bit, a.k.a. i386 architecture. They can be > run on 64 bit, a.k.a. amd64 provided multiarch is enabled for i386. > See: > > https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO > > 73, Nate N0NB > > -- > > "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all > possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." > > Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com From a45wg at sy-edm.com Mon Apr 18 23:27:46 2016 From: a45wg at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 07:27:46 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 vs SDRPlay on Raspberry Pi In-Reply-To: References: <003501d19994$6ff23990$4fd6acb0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <2D7730B3-570C-4903-AB9C-8D8671AFAE52@sy-edm.com> Jerry, This is my SDR Linux view setup. I am running on Ubuntu 14 - 64 bit. I use QUISK (Version 3.6.11) - to interface my KX3 to a rather old Dell Inspiron i7. To do this you need the USB Control cable (KXUSB) and a decent sound card. The sound card on the laptop was mono input only - so I use an ASUS Xonar U7 as the external Soundcard and this is connected also by USB. The software is easy and simple to use/setup. Hope this helps Regards Tim A45WG - Muscat > On 19 Apr 2016, at 01:03, Jerry Moore wrote: > > Did this go out? > > On April 18, 2016 1:04:42 PM EDT, Jerry Moore wrote: >> I'm looking at getting a Pan adapter of sorts in the near future. I >> like >> what I'm reading about SDRPlay but since I use a Raspberry Pi to >> interface >> my K3S I'm not sure on what software is available for that platform. >> Their >> website is a bit vague on it. >> >> Is anyone currently successfully using SDR play with linux/Raspberry PI >> as >> a panadapter and what software are you using? >> >> Ideally I'd want to be able to view the entire band (SDRPlay has 8MHz >> bandwidth), and be able to click on a signal to change freq to that >> signal. I was previously able to do that with a USB SDR using a >> windows >> app. I no longer want to use windows because of the hardware/power >> requirements. >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Jerry Moore, AE4PB > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com From k2cm.george at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 07:44:15 2016 From: k2cm.george at gmail.com (george allen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 07:44:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 remote power on. In-Reply-To: <77D2C2E1-6368-4430-81E6-3712DC234525@incentre.net> References: <77D2C2E1-6368-4430-81E6-3712DC234525@incentre.net> Message-ID: <2B9B9620-3262-4E0F-AFC0-2AA125CDD800@gmail.com> I use an Arduino connected to the internet using the Arduino internet shield. The Arduino sets a relay on/off as desired, to turn my radio on/off. It also connects/ disconnects my antenna. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 18, 2016, at 10:35 AM, Randy Boates wrote: > > I am interested in a way to remotely power on a k3 or k3s without the remote rig boxes. Nice apps already exist to remotely operate the kat500 and kpa500. Any suggestions? > > Why? Remote operation of my second k3 for digital modes. > > Assistance appreciated. > > Randy > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2cm.george at gmail.com From nz0tham at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 07:56:36 2016 From: nz0tham at gmail.com (NZ0T) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 04:56:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New shack PC... In-Reply-To: <571533BD.9000101@sbcglobal.net> References: <571533BD.9000101@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1461066996131-7616525.post@n2.nabble.com> Mint 17.3 and the K3,KPA500 and W2 Linux utilities provided by Elecraft work well. I use WINE to run the W2 interface program because it is only provided in Windows. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/New-shack-PC-tp7616500p7616525.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Tue Apr 19 08:36:08 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 12:36:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 remote power on. In-Reply-To: <2B9B9620-3262-4E0F-AFC0-2AA125CDD800@gmail.com> References: <77D2C2E1-6368-4430-81E6-3712DC234525@incentre.net> <2B9B9620-3262-4E0F-AFC0-2AA125CDD800@gmail.com> Message-ID: I do basically the same thing to control my KX3 when I'm on holiday. The info I needed is on pages 5 and 28 of the KX3 manual: briefly assert 9V on the PTT ring of the mic plug. From skimming the K3 manual, it looks like the K3 is even easier: just (briefly, I assume) ground the PTT line on the ACC port. My shack radio is a Raspberry Pi. When I need remote power on, I breadboard up a simple relay circuit that allows one of the Pi's GPIO pins to control a 9 V battery. I use TRRS/TRS breakout adapters to pass through audio unchanged, while connecting the PTT ring to the output of that relay. Then a have a trivial Python program on the Pi that briefly asserts that GPIO pin. On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 4:46 AM george allen wrote: > I use an Arduino connected to the internet using the Arduino internet > shield. The Arduino sets a relay on/off as desired, to turn my radio > on/off. It also connects/ disconnects my antenna. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Apr 18, 2016, at 10:35 AM, Randy Boates wrote: > > > > I am interested in a way to remotely power on a k3 or k3s without the > remote rig boxes. Nice apps already exist to remotely operate the kat500 > and kpa500. Any suggestions? > > > > Why? Remote operation of my second k3 for digital modes. > > > > Assistance appreciated. > > > > Randy > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k2cm.george at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mbt at w0mbt.net > From kz5d at aol.com Tue Apr 19 09:20:44 2016 From: kz5d at aol.com (Art) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 09:20:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod power Message-ID: <1542eae1ddd-640c-505a@webprd-m15.mail.aol.com> Wayne, Would there be any problem using a Y connector from the external 13 v socket on the back of the K-3 to power both the P-3 and K-Pod? Delighted to see you guys adding a very handy accessory. 73, Art KZ5D From eric at elecraft.com Tue Apr 19 09:40:39 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 06:40:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod power In-Reply-To: <1542eae1ddd-640c-505a@webprd-m15.mail.aol.com> References: <1542eae1ddd-640c-505a@webprd-m15.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <700DB0C2-7E63-456E-8F40-E96B5D2BB5DD@elecraft.com> Yes, that will work. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Apr 19, 2016, at 6:20 AM, Art via Elecraft wrote: > > Wayne, > > > Would there be any problem using a Y connector from the external 13 v socket on the back of the K-3 to power both the P-3 and K-Pod? > > > Delighted to see you guys adding a very handy accessory. > > > 73, > > > Art KZ5D > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From nq5t at tx.rr.com Tue Apr 19 15:53:59 2016 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 14:53:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 -- AM Mode Display Message-ID: <57639DF6-2F57-4982-B928-A1951347715D@tx.rr.com> Something is funky on the PX3 when the KX3 is in AM mode. I have my PBT SSB menu item set for Hi/Lo Cut. When set to NOR there minor differences in behavior in the AM mode, but the end result is the same. If the bandwidth/shift or Hi/Lo cut is NORMalized, the green bandwidth band on the PX3 sits with it?s edges about 3 KHZ above and 3 KHz below the carrier frequency as you might expect. It?s symmetrical around the carrier. If I open up the HI setting to max (4.2 KHz) and set the LO to minimum, the green band is offset to the high frequency side of the carrier ? with the low boundary about 2.2 KHz below the carrier, and the high boundary about 4.4 KHz above the carrier. These points may not be exact, but they were roughly measured using the VFO A marker ? close enough to make the point. And just using the usual reduction in background hiss to retune the carrier, it appears most closely tuned when the VFO is set about 0.9 KHZ above the actual carrier frequency, although even then the green band is offset from either the actual or tuned carrier freq. So can anyone explain what is going on, and why the PX3 display (and maybe the KX3) behavior appears so odd in AM mode. Must be something I missed somewhere along the line. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 PS ? Sure would be a good thing to port the K3/K3S sync detector to the KX3 ? From nq5t at tx.rr.com Tue Apr 19 20:11:43 2016 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 19:11:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 -- AM Mode Display In-Reply-To: <8F7437B0-F03B-4151-9835-FEBA2C353982@widomaker.com> References: <57639DF6-2F57-4982-B928-A1951347715D@tx.rr.com> <8F7437B0-F03B-4151-9835-FEBA2C353982@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <5E8B4198-0EE6-4D86-BC15-09A150BABB4C@tx.rr.com> No, I?m not missing any points here. Actually LO cut doesn?t really make much sense in this context in any case, just mentioned it. It simply maximizes the available bandwidth. The point ? is that if one increases bandwidth, one would expect the bandwidth to generally increase symmetrically about the tuned frequency. Obviously, if the AM detector is intentionally designed to receive only one sideband (plus carrier), aka the K3 sync mode, that wouldn?t happen. One would not expect increasing bandwidth to both increase the bandwidth AND apparently shift the bandwidth always to favor the upper sideband. That may not be what is actually happening, but that is what the KX3 display is showing. So let?s say that IS what happens. Then by shifting the low frequency side of the bandwidth upward (using the Lo Cut control, etc.) you can get to what looks like a bandwidth band that covers just the upper sideband of the AM signal. But when you do that (try it), the signal becomes pinched and unreadable, and it is not possible to ?retune? the receiver to recover copy. I?m not bitchig here, just trying to relate the odd PX3 display to what the KX3/PX3 is doing. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > On Apr 19, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Nr4c wrote: > > I think you are missing the point of AM. > Remember, the extremes are Hi and if you mess with LO Cut doesn't it open a hole at the center? > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Apr 19, 2016, at 3:53 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: >> >> Something is funky on the PX3 when the KX3 is in AM mode. >> From kd1na363 at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 08:27:48 2016 From: kd1na363 at gmail.com (David Robertson) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 08:27:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] , K3 Gold Plated Plug Replacment Message-ID: Everyone, I have an old K3 ( Serial # 934 ) and was starting to be plagued by interconnection problems inside of my K3 caused by the tin plated plugs. After contacting Elecraft I received 2 connector kits. One for the 100 watt power amp connections ( KPA3 ) and one for the front panel ( J30 and 35 ). Since I installed these gold plated pluge my interconnection problems seem to have gone away. I am still concerned about the remaining tin plated plugs in my K3 but Elecraft indicated that there has been no known issues with these remaining tin plated connectors. My question is has anyone who owns an old K3 experienced any other tin plated pin issues with internal K3 connectors other than the ones that Elecraft addressed? 73 -- Dave Robertson KD1NA From kenk3iu at cox.net Wed Apr 20 08:36:59 2016 From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken Wagner K3IU) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 08:36:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] , K3 Gold Plated Plug Replacment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <571777EB.4080403@cox.net> I have K3 #202 and over the years I replaced all of the pin connectors that were recommended by Elecraft. I have had no issues after installing the replacements connectors. 73, Ken K3IU ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 4/20/2016 8:27 AM, David Robertson wrote: > Everyone, > > I have an old K3 ( Serial # 934 ) and was starting to be plagued by > interconnection problems inside of my K3 caused by the tin plated plugs. > After contacting Elecraft I received 2 connector kits. One for the 100 watt > power amp connections ( KPA3 ) and one for the front panel ( J30 and 35 ). > Since I installed these gold plated pluge my interconnection problems seem > to have gone away. I am still concerned about the remaining tin plated > plugs in my K3 but Elecraft indicated that there has been no known issues > with these remaining tin plated connectors. > > My question is has anyone who owns an old K3 experienced any other tin > plated pin issues with internal K3 connectors other than the ones that > Elecraft addressed? > > 73 > From dl2ydp at mail.ru Wed Apr 20 09:09:00 2016 From: dl2ydp at mail.ru (Roger) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 06:09:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] , K3 Gold Plated Plug Replacment In-Reply-To: <571777EB.4080403@cox.net> References: <571777EB.4080403@cox.net> Message-ID: <1461157740910-7616533.post@n2.nabble.com> I agree with Ken #2652 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Gold-Plated-Plug-Replacment-tp7616531p7616533.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pa3a at xs4all.nl Wed Apr 20 09:28:38 2016 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 15:28:38 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] , K3 Gold Plated Plug Replacment In-Reply-To: <1461157740910-7616533.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <571777EB.4080403@cox.net> <1461157740910-7616533.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <57178406.7030206@xs4all.nl> No more issues K3 #1255 73 Arie PA3A --- Dit e-mailbericht is gecontroleerd op virussen met Avast antivirussoftware. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kengkopp at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 09:34:18 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 07:34:18 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Gold Plated Plug Replacments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No issues with #0056 (:-)) 73 K0PP From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Apr 17 09:38:14 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Triconet_2) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 06:38:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] AFSK-A with K3s In-Reply-To: <570F8EA4.5489.2DA9F9C@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <570E7442.6000108@triconet.org> <570E8A89.4020905@mdodd.com> <570F8EA4.5489.2DA9F9C@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: You and at least two dozen guys I logged doing something similar And I would venture to guess that most of them were running K3s. I emailed one of these guys and got back the confession that 1) yes he was using a K3 and 2) he was sending radioteletype with the paddle. The inadvertent writing of A to B while attempting to engage Split accounts for the QRM on the DX freq, the 15 WPM RTTY with the long unmodulated tail results from the other. (This assumes that the operator actually knows that he is supposed to be operating split... too many don't) On Apr 14, 2016, at 5:35 AM, "Gary Smith" wrote: > In fact, what I was > transmitting was just a key down and not > the RTTY I thought I was putting out and I > was inadvertently QRMing every time I > transmitted. From ed at w0yk.com Wed Apr 20 10:42:11 2016 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 07:42:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] , K3 Gold Plated Plug Replacment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The remaining tin-plated connectors are not a problem because both the pins and sockets are the same metal. The problem with the replaced connectors is that the sockets were tin-plated and the pins were gold-plated (maybe the other way around). Over time the dissimilarity of these two metals develop some coating that gradually can cause intermittent electrical connection. The fix is to replace these locations with gold-plated connections. Ed W0YK _______________________________________________________________ Dave KD1NA wrote: I have an old K3 ( Serial # 934 ) and was starting to be plagued by interconnection problems inside of my K3 caused by the tin plated plugs. After contacting Elecraft I received 2 connector kits. One for the 100 watt power amp connections ( KPA3 ) and one for the front panel ( J30 and 35 ). Since I installed these gold plated pluge my interconnection problems seem to have gone away. I am still concerned about the remaining tin plated plugs in my K3 but Elecraft indicated that there has been no known issues with these remaining tin plated connectors. My question is has anyone who owns an old K3 experienced any other tin plated pin issues with internal K3 connectors other than the ones that Elecraft addressed? From jimfinan at att.net Wed Apr 20 11:58:23 2016 From: jimfinan at att.net (Jim Finan) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 11:58:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question Message-ID: <20160420155823.5853266.87711.36689@att.net> From rheming1 at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 20 12:12:07 2016 From: rheming1 at sbcglobal.net (Richard W Hemingway) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 16:12:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Tuned VFO or Tuned Spectrum on P3 Modes? References: <1407625450.3371965.1461168727079.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1407625450.3371965.1461168727079.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello again, Again I am having trouble. Finding out how to change from ?one to the other modes. I have just received the P3 and find it ?complicated. ?Thanks, ?(I have t he manual and also Fred Cady's book on the K3s and the P3. ?Can't seem to find this in either one) Dick N5XRD From jamesforsman at me.com Wed Apr 20 12:01:02 2016 From: jamesforsman at me.com (James Forsman) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 09:01:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SOLD K3/100 Message-ID: The K3 has a new home, thank you. Jim -K7BIE Sent from my iPhone From huntinhmb at coastside.net Wed Apr 20 13:22:05 2016 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 10:22:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Tuned VFO or Tuned Spectrum on P3 Modes? In-Reply-To: <1407625450.3371965.1461168727079.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1407625450.3371965.1461168727079.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1407625450.3371965.1461168727079.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think what you are looking for is the menu "Fix Track". In Tracking mode the spectrum scrolls as you tune. In Fixed mode the spectrum stays put and the cursor moves. The menu choice toggles between the two. 73, Brian, K0DTJ > On Apr 20, 2016, at 09:12, Richard W Hemingway wrote: > > Hello again, > Again I am having trouble. Finding out how to change from one to the other modes. From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Apr 20 13:22:35 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:22:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] AFSK-A with K3s In-Reply-To: References: <570E7442.6000108@triconet.org> <570E8A89.4020905@mdodd.com> <570F8EA4.5489.2DA9F9C@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <0059E137-1A69-4F57-B543-B1AA1FD27973@widomaker.com> This is not AGSK A mode. It is FSK D. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 17, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Triconet_2 wrote: > > You and at least two dozen guys I logged doing something similar And I would venture to guess that most of them were running K3s. > > I emailed one of these guys and got back the confession that 1) yes he was using a K3 and 2) he was sending radioteletype with the paddle. > > The inadvertent writing of A to B while attempting to engage Split accounts for the QRM on the DX freq, the 15 WPM RTTY with the long unmodulated tail results from the other. (This assumes that the operator actually knows that he is supposed to be operating split... too many don't) > >> On Apr 14, 2016, at 5:35 AM, "Gary Smith" wrote: >> >> In fact, what I was >> transmitting was just a key down and not >> the RTTY I thought I was putting out and I >> was inadvertently QRMing every time I >> transmitted. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From jimfinan at att.net Wed Apr 20 13:31:18 2016 From: jimfinan at att.net (Jim Finan) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:31:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question In-Reply-To: <20160420155823.5853266.87711.36689@att.net> References: <20160420155823.5853266.87711.36689@att.net> Message-ID: <20160420173118.5853266.13882.36701@att.net> I guess my question didn't make it.? Question is: Is the K-Pod a kit? Can't seem to find any reference to that on the product sheet or website. If it's been asked here before, I guess I missed it.? I assumed it is, but... Jim?Finan AB4AC ? Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. ? Original Message ? From: Jim Finan Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 11:59 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimfinan at att.net From wb4ooa at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 13:34:29 2016 From: wb4ooa at gmail.com (Ron Durie) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:34:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 For Sale With Options Message-ID: <004101d19b2a$e6db2bb0$b4918310$@gmail.com> Elecraft K3/100; Late #7504, which includes all factory upgrades. K3SYN3AUPG newest Synthesizer option installed. This significantly improves receiver performance, and is the most significant upgrade option to the K3. 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Contact me off line at: WB4OOA at gmail.com Ron Durie Elecraft K3s-Line From Gary at ka1j.com Wed Apr 20 14:29:48 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 14:29:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] AFSK-A with K3s In-Reply-To: <0059E137-1A69-4F57-B543-B1AA1FD27973@widomaker.com> References: , , <0059E137-1A69-4F57-B543-B1AA1FD27973@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <5717CA9C.3376.14393C1@Gary.ka1j.com> Yes, my problem was not when sending RTTY with a paddle, it was when using MMTTY and I was trying to send FSK. All I could hear was one tone, not the two tones of mark space. I thought it was nice not to hear the two tones when listening. I did not realize I could not properly key the K3s without an additional hardware. Now I have the K3s set to use AFSK A so that I don't need to have additional hardware/connections and no longer use the paddles to send, only MMTTY. When I use MMTTY I have to have the PTT-KEY set to OFF-OFF. When I switch to N1MM I have to have it set to DTR-RTS. I have problems of locked down transmission if I don't and switch to CW from the RTTY setting. As a result, I can't have both MMTTY and N1MM running at the same time. I'm guessing this may have to do with a RTS setting in the software but haven't had time to work it out. 73, Gary KA1J > This is not AGSK A mode. It is FSK D. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Apr 17, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Triconet_2 wrote: > > > > You and at least two dozen guys I logged doing something similar And I would venture to guess that most of them were running K3s. > > > > I emailed one of these guys and got back the confession that 1) yes he was using a K3 and 2) he was sending radioteletype with the paddle. > > > > The inadvertent writing of A to B while attempting to engage Split accounts for the QRM on the DX freq, the 15 WPM RTTY with the long unmodulated tail results from the other. (This assumes that the operator actually knows that he is supposed to be operating split... too many don't) > > > >> On Apr 14, 2016, at 5:35 AM, "Gary Smith" wrote: > >> > >> In fact, what I was > >> transmitting was just a key down and not > >> the RTTY I thought I was putting out and I > >> was inadvertently QRMing every time I > >> transmitted. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From ron at cobi.biz Wed Apr 20 16:40:49 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:40:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question In-Reply-To: <20160420173118.5853266.13882.36701@att.net> References: <20160420155823.5853266.87711.36689@att.net> <20160420173118.5853266.13882.36701@att.net> Message-ID: <009201d19b44$ecc04500$c640cf00$@biz> Hi Jim: This is the announcement made by Wayne with a link to an image of the K-Pod Hi all, We've had many requests for a small control panel (or pod) as an extension to the K3 and K3S transceivers. We finally got around to it! Our new K-Pod is a very compact unit, featuring a precision tuning knob, VFO A/B/offset rocker switch, and 8 programmable tactile-feedback switches. Switch feedback is provided by activation messages on the radio's LCD, as well as the pod's own 4 indicator LEDs and audio tone generator. This multi-modal information can help maximize operating efficiency and reduce fatigue during extended operating periods. Typically the K-Pod would be placed next to a computer keyboard, allowing the operator to quickly QSY, clear RIT, enter diversity mode, change menu settings, etc., without that long stretch to reach the radio's front panel. But the K-Pod's flexible interface goes beyond substitution of the radio's knobs and switches. In effect, you can design your own customized controls for the radio. Each of the 8 programmable switches has tap and hold functions. When a switch function is used, it activates one of up to 16 user-defined command sequences that are actually stored in the radio itself, as macros. A single macro can accomplish many tasks at once, such as setting up custom splits, configuring the receiver or subreceiver for specific situations, sending transmit messages at differing code speeds, etc. Macros can be easily created or edited using K3 Utility, which runs on PC, Mac, or Linux platforms. The K-Pod has the following features: * high-quality weighted, soft-touch tuning knob--same as used on the K3S * same 400-count, ball-bearing optical encoder used in the K3 and K3S * adjustable knob friction * 3-position rocker switch to assign the knob to VFO A, VFO B, or RIT/XIT * 8 programmable function switches, each with tap/hold functions * simple switch programming using K3 Utility (many examples in K-Pod manual) * four user-definable LEDs (three of them show knob assignment by default) * audio tone generator for switch feedback (can be easily turned off) * USB port for firmware loading and future equipment/computer control applications * simple connection to K3 or K3S--uses the 6-pin RJ-style jack beneath the front panel * flexible power source: rear 12-V jack on the radio, DC barrel jack, USB port, or even through the 6-pin data cable, with minor radio modification (the latter method results in a single cable to the K-Pod for data and power) * 3 utility outputs for miscellaneous equipment control applications (outputs provide a low resistance to ground when turned on, usable with relays, etc.) The K-Pod's all-steel enclosure weighs a full pound for excellent stability, yet measures only about 3.5 x 3 x 1 inches. A highly stable folding tilt stand is included to angle the panel for optimal access. There's also a 2-hole RAM mount pattern on the bottom for easy attachment to any surface. For photos and further information, please visit our K-Pod web page: http://www.elecraft.com/k-pod/k-pod.htm 73, Wayne, N6KR Eric, WA6HHQ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Finan Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 10:31 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question I guess my question didn't make it. Question is: Is the K-Pod a kit? Can't seem to find any reference to that on the product sheet or website. If it's been asked here before, I guess I missed it. I assumed it is, but... Jim Finan AB4AC ? Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. Original Message From: Jim Finan Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 11:59 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimfinan at att.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From va3mw at portcredit.net Wed Apr 20 16:42:17 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 16:42:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Desktop Software Message-ID: All I think I asked this before, but I can't remember if someone replied. I love my W2 software for my remote base, but I am looking for a client that takes up much less screen space, at least for the basic meter movement. More importantly, I tend to use it in client/server mode, so the part I would like is the Client side that is IP connected to the host side. Has anyone written something different? Mike va3mw From ron at cobi.biz Wed Apr 20 16:42:25 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 13:42:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question In-Reply-To: <20160420173118.5853266.13882.36701@att.net> References: <20160420155823.5853266.87711.36689@att.net> <20160420173118.5853266.13882.36701@att.net> Message-ID: <009301d19b45$25f61cf0$71e256d0$@biz> Oops, I neglected your other question. So far, Wayne/Eric have decided it will not be released in kit form. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Finan Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 10:31 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question I guess my question didn't make it. Question is: Is the K-Pod a kit? Can't seem to find any reference to that on the product sheet or website. If it's been asked here before, I guess I missed it. I assumed it is, but... Jim Finan AB4AC ? Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. Original Message From: Jim Finan Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 11:59 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimfinan at att.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From eric at elecraft.com Wed Apr 20 17:08:16 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 14:08:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question In-Reply-To: <20160420173118.5853266.13882.36701@att.net> References: <20160420155823.5853266.87711.36689@att.net> <20160420173118.5853266.13882.36701@att.net> Message-ID: <5717EFC0.1000301@elecraft.com> Its assembled only. There is just one pcb inside. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 4/20/2016 10:31 AM, Jim Finan wrote: > I guess my question didn't make it. > > Question is: > > Is the K-Pod a kit? > > Can't seem to find any reference to that on the product sheet or website. If it's been asked here before, I guess I missed it. > > I assumed it is, but... > > Jim Finan > AB4AC ? > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > Original Message > From: Jim Finan > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 11:59 AM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimfinan at att.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From nthdegreeinc at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 17:39:59 2016 From: nthdegreeinc at gmail.com (Ron Reis) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 14:39:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Just getting a K3 and wonder what desk microphone is recommended (reasonably priced though). Ron KK6ZRA Message-ID: From nf4l at comcast.net Wed Apr 20 18:00:33 2016 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 18:00:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Just getting a K3 and wonder what desk microphone is recommended (reasonably priced though). Ron KK6ZRA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6873318E-38C3-4303-8289-7158A68CDCC2@comcast.net> Ron - I don't use a desk mic, I prefer a headset, but pretty much any mic will sound great because the K3 offers a lot of versatility in the TX equalizer and other settings. I've seen posts about guys using $4.99 computer mics. Spend your bux on antennas. 73, Mike NF4L > On Apr 20, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Ron Reis wrote: > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Apr 20 18:02:02 2016 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 18:02:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Just getting a K3 and wonder what desk microphone is recommended (reasonably priced though). Ron KK6ZRA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5717FC5A.9080807@embarqmail.com> Kenwood's dynamic microphones are compatible with the Elecraft pinout. Be cautious of those with an amplifier which need a voltage on pin 5 - Elecraft puts the DC voltage on pin 6, so those will not work unless the mic plug wiring is altered. You can use just about any dynamic or electret element microphone if you are willing to re-wire the mic plug to match the Elecraft pinout. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/20/2016 5:39 PM, Ron Reis wrote: From ed at w0yk.com Wed Apr 20 18:40:37 2016 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 15:40:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Just getting a K3 and wonder what desk microphone is recommended (reasonably priced though). Ron KK6ZRA In-Reply-To: <5717FC5A.9080807@embarqmail.com> References: <5717FC5A.9080807@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <3EA7176FE5F44B4AA3619A025165962D@h81420t> Or, make up a short adapter cable from the K3 to the microphone plug. That way, neither the microphone nor the K3 is modified. Ed W0YK ____________________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: 20 April, 2016 15:02 To: Ron Reis; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just getting a K3 and wonder what desk microphone is recommended (reasonably priced though). Ron KK6ZRA Kenwood's dynamic microphones are compatible with the Elecraft pinout. Be cautious of those with an amplifier which need a voltage on pin 5 - Elecraft puts the DC voltage on pin 6, so those will not work unless the mic plug wiring is altered. You can use just about any dynamic or electret element microphone if you are willing to re-wire the mic plug to match the Elecraft pinout. 73, Don W3FPR From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Apr 20 18:57:39 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 15:57:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] AFSK-A with K3s In-Reply-To: <0059E137-1A69-4F57-B543-B1AA1FD27973@widomaker.com> References: <570E7442.6000108@triconet.org> <570E8A89.4020905@mdodd.com> <570F8EA4.5489.2DA9F9C@Gary.ka1j.com> <0059E137-1A69-4F57-B543-B1AA1FD27973@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <57180963.6080002@triconet.org> So? On 4/20/2016 10:22 AM, Nr4c wrote: > This is not AGSK A mode. It is FSK D. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > From wb8yqj at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 21:01:13 2016 From: wb8yqj at yahoo.com (Don Rasmussen) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 01:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AGC Slope References: <362987763.4823775.1461200473325.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <362987763.4823775.1461200473325.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I am looking for a .WAV or similar recording of KX3 CW audio using the range ends of the setup?AGC*SLP, the settings go from 000 to 015. Assuming AGC Fast.? Does this control have much of an effect on the sharp end? TIA,Don wb8yqjCarlsbad, Ca.? From mike at mdodd.com Wed Apr 20 23:01:10 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 23:01:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 CW/data text decode? In-Reply-To: <5717CA9C.3376.14393C1@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <0059E137-1A69-4F57-B543-B1AA1FD27973@widomaker.com> <5717CA9C.3376.14393C1@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <57184276.1000706@mdodd.com> I just upgraded from a KX3/PX3 to a K3s/P3. On my PX3, I could hold a key (LABELS?) to get a two-line display of characters the KX3 decoded in CW and data modes. I can't find this feature on my P3. Is it there? The only place the owner's manual mentions text decode is in the SVGA section. I do not have the SVGA option. How do I make the P3 display decoded text? Thanks. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft K3s/100 Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From k0dxv at aol.com Thu Apr 21 00:37:05 2016 From: k0dxv at aol.com (Doug Person) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 21:37:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Just getting a K3 and wonder what desk microphone is recommended (reasonably priced though). Ron KK6ZRA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <571858F1.4050509@aol.com> Kenwood MC-50 is easy obtain new or used. It's a convenient dynamic mic with adequate audio. Any Heil mic is a good choice. Doug -- K0DXV On 4/20/2016 2:39 PM, Ron Reis wrote: > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > From sabertsch at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 01:30:27 2016 From: sabertsch at gmail.com (Steven Bertsch) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 22:30:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS West Mountain Radio CLRspkr Message-ID: <5DC88484-B977-45F3-B3A5-699F2535A029@gmail.com> For Sale: West Mountain Radio CLRspkr - brand new in the box, never opened. Selling it because a friend gave me his CLRspkr after I ordered this one. Asking $200 which includes shipping. I can ship it tomorrow if you pay using PayPal. Steve K6SAB From elancki at yahoo.com Thu Apr 21 08:51:50 2016 From: elancki at yahoo.com (Ed) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 remote power on. References: <857860199.4930466.1461243110941.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <857860199.4930466.1461243110941.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> We control our club's K3 with the free RemoteHams.com software.? An additional cable between the CAT connector routes the RTS through a transistor buffer to pin 8 on the AUX connector.? Here is a link that discusses the additional cable.http://www.remotehams.com/forums/index.php/topic,1629.msg7073.html#msg7073 73,Ed From w0fm at swbell.net Thu Apr 21 11:35:01 2016 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 10:35:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question In-Reply-To: <5717EFC0.1000301@elecraft.com> References: <20160420155823.5853266.87711.36689@att.net> <20160420173118.5853266.13882.36701@att.net> <5717EFC0.1000301@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <004701d19be3$5f6dfc20$1e49f460$@swbell.net> Yes, I too was disappointed to learn that the K-Pod will not be available as a kit. Some of you who are similarly disappointed might consider my plan to alleviate the pain: As soon as my K-Pod arrives, I plan to take it completely apart and then put it all back together again. That should do me. ;o) 73, Terry W0FM -----Original Message----- From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [mailto:eric at elecraft.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 4:08 PM To: Jim Finan; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question Its assembled only. There is just one pcb inside. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 4/20/2016 10:31 AM, Jim Finan wrote: > I guess my question didn't make it. > > Question is: > > Is the K-Pod a kit? > > Can't seem to find any reference to that on the product sheet or website. If it's been asked here before, I guess I missed it. > > I assumed it is, but... > > Jim Finan > AB4AC ? > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > Original Message > From: Jim Finan > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 11:59 AM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jimfinan at att.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > eric.swartz at elecraft.com From kengkopp at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 11:38:49 2016 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:38:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Heating during digital operation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll enthusiastically echo Bert's endorsement of Howie's heatsink, and add a "ditto" for his power supply for the KX3. 73 Ken - K0PP On Apr 21, 2016 8:27 AM, "bertthompson at rocketmail.com [KX3]" < KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Pete, > > I have KX3 s/n = 0000274 and bought a nice heat sink from > "ProAudioEngineering", (Howard), and have had peace of mind ever since. > I mostly work cw at 10 watts ,however, sometimes work the ditital modes at > 8 watts to be "qrp" hi. Only took around a half an hour to install and > looks great. > > Bert KB3MHB 73 ps: enjoy the KX3 anyway you can. > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------ > Posted by: bertthompson at rocketmail.com > ------------------------------ > Reply via web post > > ? Reply to sender > > ? Reply to group > > ? Start a New Topic > > ? Messages in this topic > > (4) > ------------------------------ > Upgrade your account with the latest Yahoo Mail app > > Get organized with the fast and easy-to-use Yahoo Mail app. Upgrade today! > ------------------------------ > Visit Your Group > > > - New Members > > 8 > > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > > ? Privacy ? > Unsubscribe ? Terms > of Use > > . > > __,_._,___ > From fcady at montana.edu Thu Apr 21 12:33:02 2016 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 16:33:02 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 CW/data text decode? In-Reply-To: <57184276.1000706@mdodd.com> References: <0059E137-1A69-4F57-B543-B1AA1FD27973@widomaker.com> <5717CA9C.3376.14393C1@Gary.ka1j.com>,<57184276.1000706@mdodd.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, You have to have the SVGA option in the P3 to be able to display decoded text. 73, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Mike Dodd Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 9:01 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] P3 CW/data text decode? I just upgraded from a KX3/PX3 to a K3s/P3. On my PX3, I could hold a key (LABELS?) to get a two-line display of characters the KX3 decoded in CW and data modes. I can't find this feature on my P3. Is it there? The only place the owner's manual mentions text decode is in the SVGA section. I do not have the SVGA option. How do I make the P3 display decoded text? Thanks. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft K3s/100 Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From kc6cnn at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 12:58:18 2016 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 11:58:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 CW/data text decode? In-Reply-To: References: <0059E137-1A69-4F57-B543-B1AA1FD27973@widomaker.com> <5717CA9C.3376.14393C1@Gary.ka1j.com> <57184276.1000706@mdodd.com> Message-ID: Watching replies. Would be nice to have in P3 alone. Especially 2 lines. 73 Gerald > On Apr 21, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Cady, Fred wrote: > > Hi Mike, > You have to have the SVGA option in the P3 to be able to display decoded text. > 73, > Fred KE7X > > For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com > > > ________________________________________ > From: Elecraft on behalf of Mike Dodd > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 9:01 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] P3 CW/data text decode? > > I just upgraded from a KX3/PX3 to a K3s/P3. On my PX3, I could hold a > key (LABELS?) to get a two-line display of characters the KX3 decoded in > CW and data modes. > > I can't find this feature on my P3. Is it there? The only place the > owner's manual mentions text decode is in the SVGA section. I do not > have the SVGA option. > > How do I make the P3 display decoded text? > > Thanks. > > -- > 73, Mike N4CF > Louisa County, VA USA > Elecraft K3s/100 > Carolina Windom up 45' > http://n4cf.mdodd.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com From cautery at montac.com Thu Apr 21 14:22:31 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 13:22:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question In-Reply-To: <004701d19be3$5f6dfc20$1e49f460$@swbell.net> References: <20160420155823.5853266.87711.36689@att.net> <20160420173118.5853266.13882.36701@att.net> <5717EFC0.1000301@elecraft.com> <004701d19be3$5f6dfc20$1e49f460$@swbell.net> Message-ID: <57191A67.9040003@montac.com> Yup... that's what I'd do... ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 4/21/2016 10:35 AM, Terry Schieler wrote: > Yes, I too was disappointed to learn that the K-Pod will not be available as a kit. Some of you who are similarly disappointed might consider my plan to alleviate the pain: > As soon as my K-Pod arrives, I plan to take it completely apart and then put it all back together again. That should do me. ;o) > > 73, Terry W0FM From dave at nk7z.net Thu Apr 21 14:34:47 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 11:34:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Genovation macro spreadsheet update... Message-ID: <1461263687.3450.10.camel@nk7z.net> Hello, For those of you using the Genovation external 48 key Keypad for the K3/P3, I have totally revised the spreadsheet for the Genovation keypad. ? I realized I was not utilizing the keys effectively. ?By regrouping, and combining macros, I have been able to maintain the same functionality of the previous macro spreadsheet, while freeing up 16 macro keys for other uses... See: http://nk7z.net/adding-an-external-keypad-to-the-k3/ about half way down, under "Tips", is the link to download the new spreadsheet containing the macros for the Keypad. ? I have also updated the face sheet within the spreadsheet, to allow printing out keytops. All macros in the spread sheet will work stand alone, without the Genovation keypad. ?Assuming the new K-Pod takes macros, you can put them into the K-Pod as well, or just put them in the Macro controls on either the P3, or the K3, or the software Elecraft provides. -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info From jimfinan at att.net Thu Apr 21 14:46:17 2016 From: jimfinan at att.net (Jim Finan) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 14:46:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question In-Reply-To: <57191A67.9040003@montac.com> References: <20160420155823.5853266.87711.36689@att.net> <20160420173118.5853266.13882.36701@att.net> <5717EFC0.1000301@elecraft.com> <004701d19be3$5f6dfc20$1e49f460$@swbell.net> <57191A67.9040003@montac.com> Message-ID: <20160421184617.5869650.23828.36770@att.net> Guess it's time to warm-up the Hakko FR-300 desoldering tool. ? ;)? Jim?Finan AB4AC? Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. ? Original Message ? From: Clay Autery Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 2:23 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question Yup... that's what I'd do... ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 4/21/2016 10:35 AM, Terry Schieler wrote: > Yes, I too was disappointed to learn that the K-Pod will not be available as a kit. Some of you who are similarly disappointed might consider my plan to alleviate the pain: > As soon as my K-Pod arrives, I plan to take it completely apart and then put it all back together again. That should do me. ;o) > > 73, Terry W0FM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jimfinan at att.net From wb4ooa at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 15:23:08 2016 From: wb4ooa at gmail.com (Ron Durie) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 15:23:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 For Sale With Options *** SOLD *** Message-ID: <002001d19c03$3d0a86b0$b71f9410$@gmail.com> Ron Durie WB4OOA Elecraft K3s-Line (704) 843-3681 From rheming1 at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 21 15:49:26 2016 From: rheming1 at sbcglobal.net (Richard W Hemingway) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 19:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 problelms References: <2130344176.4048860.1461268166253.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2130344176.4048860.1461268166253.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Sorry to be back again. ?However, I seem to have a problem between the P3 and the fldigi. ?I see a lot of stations on the P3 but ?don't see any on the Fldigi, which is centered on 14,070.15 looking for PSK and the P3 which is also centered ?at the same freq. ?Every once in a while I see a station on the fldigi, but ? don't see it on the P3. ?What am I not doing? ?Thanks Dick, N5XRD From kc6cnn at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 16:23:17 2016 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 15:23:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 CW/data text decode? In-Reply-To: References: <0059E137-1A69-4F57-B543-B1AA1FD27973@widomaker.com> <5717CA9C.3376.14393C1@Gary.ka1j.com> <57184276.1000706@mdodd.com> Message-ID: <8180762B-0BBE-4F90-84E2-C7BF37412660@gmail.com> Thank you Fred Sure would be nice if it would decode on the P3 screen. > On Apr 21, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Cady, Fred wrote: > > Hi Mike, > You have to have the SVGA option in the P3 to be able to display decoded text. > 73, > Fred KE7X > > For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com > > > ________________________________________ > From: Elecraft on behalf of Mike Dodd > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 9:01 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] P3 CW/data text decode? > > I just upgraded from a KX3/PX3 to a K3s/P3. On my PX3, I could hold a > key (LABELS?) to get a two-line display of characters the KX3 decoded in > CW and data modes. > > I can't find this feature on my P3. Is it there? The only place the > owner's manual mentions text decode is in the SVGA section. I do not > have the SVGA option. > > How do I make the P3 display decoded text? > > Thanks. > > -- > 73, Mike N4CF > Louisa County, VA USA > Elecraft K3s/100 > Carolina Windom up 45' > http://n4cf.mdodd.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc6cnn at gmail.com From mike at mdodd.com Thu Apr 21 17:34:54 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 17:34:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] AFSK-A with K3s In-Reply-To: <5717CA9C.3376.14393C1@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <0059E137-1A69-4F57-B543-B1AA1FD27973@widomaker.com> <5717CA9C.3376.14393C1@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <5719477E.6050000@mdodd.com> On 4/20/2016 2:29 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > Now I have the K3s set to use AFSK A so > that I don't need to have additional > hardware/connections and no longer use the > paddles to send, only MMTTY. > > When I use MMTTY I have to have the > PTT-KEY set to OFF-OFF. When I switch to > N1MM I have to have it set to DTR-RTS. I'm new at RTTY myself, but I have it working with MMTTY, N1MM+, and the K3s built-in sound card. With MMTTY, all I need to do is hold the VOX button to turn on VOX. I set MMTTY's oundcard output level to maximum, the K3s MIC to 2, and the VOX GAIN to 10. When I click the TX button in MMTTY, my K3s keys and sends RTTY (hold TEST to put the K3 in test mode with no RF output). For N1MM+, all I need to do is hold the VOX button to switch back to PTT, and I'm good to go. No DTR-RTS is needed. Do not try to run stand-along MMTTY with N1MM+. Exit MMTTY. N1MM+ launches the MMTTY engine when you open a digital window. You _must_ read the N1MM+ docs to figure out how to set up N1MM+ with MMTTY. I have attached a screen shot showing the deeply hidden check box to use PTT with N1MM+. If the attachment doesn't come through, email me off-list, and I'll send it to you directly. Bottom line for me is: Select DATA -> AFSK-A, turn on VOX, launch MMTTY, and I'm on the air with RTTY. For contests, launch N1MM+, turn off VOX, and I'm on the air with RTTY. No sweat. But I did have to read the N1MM+ docs to set it up to use the MMTTY engine. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft K3s/100 Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From Gary at ka1j.com Thu Apr 21 17:50:41 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 17:50:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS - Filters for K3 / K3s Message-ID: <57194B31.1846.31078F3@Gary.ka1j.com> Hi, I have three never used filters that are excess to my needs for the K3 & K3s: One: KFL3A-6K 6kHz AM/ESSB, 8-pole filter. Two: KFL3A-1.0K 1 kHz, 8-pole filters. $125 each, shipped to the lower 48. Please contact me off list if you're interested. 73, Gary KA1J From huntinhmb at coastside.net Thu Apr 21 18:21:42 2016 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 15:21:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 problelms In-Reply-To: <2130344176.4048860.1461268166253.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2130344176.4048860.1461268166253.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2130344176.4048860.1461268166253.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What is the SPAN set to on the P3? It should be the same as FLDIGI - ~ 3 KHz - to make them look the same. Brian, K0DTJ > On Apr 21, 2016, at 12:49, Richard W Hemingway wrote: > > Sorry to be back again. However, I seem to have a problem between the P3 and the fldigi. I see a lot of stations on the P3 but don't see any on the Fldigi, which is centered on 14,070.15 looking for PSK and the P3 which is also centered at the same freq. From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 19:11:13 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 19:11:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Trade my KFL3B-FM 13kHz filter for KFL3A-6K filter Message-ID: I would like to even up trade my KFL3B-FM 13 kHz FM/AM for a KFL3A-6K AM/ESSB filter. This is to get the same filter in both my main and sub RX lineup. I find that I never listen on FM, while I do use AM-S reception in diversity since I got the second KBPF3A to equip both RX. For the crowded listen in AM-S where the RX filter is on upper or lower side of carrier, the 13 kHz filter is too wide. I thought I would listen to some 6 and 10 meter repeaters, but have never really gone there, and my interests seem to be gravitating lower and lower in frequency. 73, Guy K2AV From cowchip at ca.rr.com Thu Apr 21 21:38:02 2016 From: cowchip at ca.rr.com (NK6A-Don Minkoff) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 18:38:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" In-Reply-To: <56FEAFC7.3070700@elecraft.com> References: <56FEAFC7.3070700@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5719807A.8040503@ca.rr.com> Hi Eric, My neighbor Ernie, N6HY, won the K3s at the DX convention last Sat. I believe Doug mentioned it came with the MH2 mic. Was it suppose to? I am thinking of making him an offer. -- Don Minkoff NK6A From mike at mdodd.com Thu Apr 21 22:02:18 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 22:02:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Mobile operation "bible" In-Reply-To: <5719807A.8040503@ca.rr.com> References: <56FEAFC7.3070700@elecraft.com> <5719807A.8040503@ca.rr.com> Message-ID: <5719862A.9090203@mdodd.com> On 4/21/2016 9:38 PM, NK6A-Don Minkoff wrote: > Hi Eric, > > My neighbor Ernie, N6HY, won the K3s at the DX convention last Sat. > I believe Doug mentioned it came with the MH2 mic. Was it suppose to? > > I am thinking of making him an offer. > The mic is a $59.95 option. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft K3s/100 Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From Gary at ka1j.com Thu Apr 21 23:08:20 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 23:08:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS - Filters for K3 / K3s In-Reply-To: <57194B31.1846.31078F3@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <57194B31.1846.31078F3@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <571995A4.29493.43346DF@Gary.ka1j.com> Folks, The 6K filter has been sold. The remaining two KFL3A-1.0K 1 kHz, 8-pole filters are unused and $125 each, shipped. I'll sell both for $240, shipped. Please contact me offlist if interested. 73, Gary KA1J > Hi, > > I have three never used filters that are > excess to my needs for the K3 & K3s: > > One: KFL3A-6K 6kHz AM/ESSB, 8-pole filter. > > Two: KFL3A-1.0K 1 kHz, 8-pole filters. > > $125 each, shipped to the lower 48. > > Please contact me off list if you're > interested. > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From n1al at sonic.net Thu Apr 21 23:14:08 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 20:14:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Question In-Reply-To: <57191A67.9040003@montac.com> References: <20160420155823.5853266.87711.36689@att.net> <20160420173118.5853266.13882.36701@att.net> <5717EFC0.1000301@elecraft.com> <004701d19be3$5f6dfc20$1e49f460$@swbell.net> <57191A67.9040003@montac.com> Message-ID: <57199700.2010507@sonic.net> Engineer: "If it ain't broke I haven't messed with it enough yet." Alan N1AL On 04/21/2016 11:22 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > Yup... that's what I'd do... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KG5LKV > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 4/21/2016 10:35 AM, Terry Schieler wrote: >> Yes, I too was disappointed to learn that the K-Pod will not be available as a kit. Some of you who are similarly disappointed might consider my plan to alleviate the pain: >> As soon as my K-Pod arrives, I plan to take it completely apart and then put it all back together again. That should do me. ;o) >> >> 73, Terry W0FM > ______________________________________________________________ From kenk3iu at cox.net Fri Apr 22 04:22:52 2016 From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken K3IU) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 04:22:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/100 - FINAL PRICE REDUCTION Message-ID: <5719DF5C.6040101@cox.net> This is as low as it is going to get! This is an oldie but goodie (s/n 2xx) which has all official mods and enhancements available to this serial number and is fully functional to the latest specs. I am the original owner and the radio has always been in a non-smoking environment. I have a new K3S and this K3 is now excess to my needs. This is the basic K3 with the 5 pole 2.7kHz filter, the latest firmware, and the following options... *KPA3 100 watt PA ** **KAT3 Internal Auto Tuner Module ** **KXV3A **RX Ant., IF Out and Transverter Interface* All manuals, update details and documentation, power cord, and hex wrenches are included. Asking $1600 plus $50 packing/shipping UPS ground to CONUS. Will accept PayPal or USPS Money Order. 73, Ken Wagner K3IU Portsmouth, RI kenk3iu at cox.net From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 08:58:02 2016 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 08:58:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Trade my KFL3B-FM 13kHz filter for KFL3A-6K filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Filter spoken for plus an alternate or two. Thanks for inquiries. On Thursday, April 21, 2016, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > I would like to even up trade my KFL3B-FM 13 kHz FM/AM for a KFL3A-6K > AM/ESSB filter. > > This is to get the same filter in both my main and sub RX lineup. I find > that I never listen on FM, while I do use AM-S reception in diversity since > I got the second KBPF3A to equip both RX. For the crowded listen in AM-S > where the RX filter is on upper or lower side of carrier, the 13 kHz filter > is too wide. > > I thought I would listen to some 6 and 10 meter repeaters, but have never > really gone there, and my interests seem to be gravitating lower and lower > in frequency. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > > > > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From kenk3iu at cox.net Fri Apr 22 13:01:15 2016 From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken K3IU) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 13:01:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/100 - FINAL PRICE REDUCTION - *SOLD* In-Reply-To: <5719DF5C.6040101@cox.net> References: <5719DF5C.6040101@cox.net> Message-ID: <571A58DB.6080107@cox.net> > 73, > Ken Wagner K3IU > Portsmouth, RI > kenk3iu at cox.net From g6glp at strus.co.uk Fri Apr 22 14:14:16 2016 From: g6glp at strus.co.uk (Tony G6GLP) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 19:14:16 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Display of split Message-ID: <571A69F8.6000205@strus.co.uk> Hi All, I have noticed a little problem (not much) with the P3 display. I have A K3 P3 and vga card set up as per the book and work fine until I go from normal to split working. I achieve this with a macro on the K3. The problem is the K3 goes into split but the display on the P3 and monitor doesnt show the split until I move the sub rx and up it pops. Its not a problem now I know about it but does anyone else see this or is there something I could change to stop it. If more details are required I can copy out the macro (Not Mine) and give a blow by low description. 73 de Tony G6GLP From mike at mdodd.com Fri Apr 22 15:08:41 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 15:08:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA questions In-Reply-To: <5717CA9C.3376.14393C1@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <0059E137-1A69-4F57-B543-B1AA1FD27973@widomaker.com> <5717CA9C.3376.14393C1@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <571A76B9.3080705@mdodd.com> After being disappointed by the P3's inability to display decode CW and data text (as the PX3 does) without the SVGA option (that's definitely the BOO of the week!), I am now searching for a tiny monitor that won't wipe out half my remaining desk space. I have a couple of questions: 1. I found some 6" LCD monitors commonly used with Raspberry Pi devices. If a monitor is specified as VGA, will the P3 SVGA option drive it OK? The user manual seems to imply that it will, with the various display resolutions, but I'd like to be sure before I order either one. 2. The user manual says I can switch the SVGA output on and off. If the SVGA is on, is the P3's internal display turned off, or is there a way I can turn it off? Thanks for any info. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft K3s/100 Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From n1al at sonic.net Fri Apr 22 15:27:11 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:27:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA questions In-Reply-To: <571A76B9.3080705@mdodd.com> References: <0059E137-1A69-4F57-B543-B1AA1FD27973@widomaker.com> <5717CA9C.3376.14393C1@Gary.ka1j.com> <571A76B9.3080705@mdodd.com> Message-ID: <571A7B0F.1040507@sonic.net> On 04/22/2016 12:08 PM, Mike Dodd wrote: > 1. I found some 6" LCD monitors commonly used with Raspberry Pi devices. > If a monitor is specified as VGA, will the P3 SVGA option drive it OK? > The user manual seems to imply that it will, with the various display > resolutions, but I'd like to be sure before I order either one. It should work as long as it has one of the P3/SVGA's supported screen resolutions: - 1024 x 768 - 1280 x 1024 - 1440 x 900 - 1920 x 1080 > 2. The user manual says I can switch the SVGA output on and off. If the > SVGA is on, is the P3's internal display turned off, or is there a way I > can turn it off? You can turn the display brightness to zero with the "LCD Brt" menu item. Alan N1AL From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Apr 22 15:53:42 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 15:53:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Display of split In-Reply-To: <571A69F8.6000205@strus.co.uk> References: <571A69F8.6000205@strus.co.uk> Message-ID: <95A3406A-27F1-4282-90B5-24DF7402EA36@widomaker.com> If you're saying "with both VFOs on same freq, the P3 doesn't show the red band indicating that VFO B is the TX freq. " that's normal. Since both are on same freq the VFO B cursor is hidden behind the green VFO A cursor. But I may have misread your post. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 22, 2016, at 2:14 PM, Tony G6GLP wrote: > > Hi All, > I have noticed a little problem (not much) with the P3 display. I have A K3 P3 and vga card set up as per the book and work fine until I go from normal to split working. I achieve this with a macro on the K3. The problem is the K3 goes into split but the display on the P3 and monitor doesnt show the split until I move the sub rx and up it pops. Its not a problem now I know about it but does anyone else see this or is there something I could change to stop it. > If more details are required I can copy out the macro (Not Mine) and give a blow by low description. > > 73 de Tony G6GLP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Apr 22 16:48:47 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 16:48:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Email problems and address change Message-ID: <36af434f-0200-639d-8012-9b6c78aa1764@embarqmail.com> Hi, I have been having problems sending email with my w3fpr at embarqmail.com address over the past few days. The emails looked like they had been sent, but were somehow lost in cyberspace. As a result I have changed my main email address to donwilh at embarqmail.com. That also required me to change the email for all my many reflector subscriptions. I think that is all done now. If you were expecting a response from me and did not get it, please send me an off-list email. For those of you who have my address in your address book, please change it to donwilh at embarqmail.com. 73, Don W3FPR From g6glp at strus.co.uk Fri Apr 22 18:12:48 2016 From: g6glp at strus.co.uk (Tony G6GLP) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 23:12:48 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Display of split In-Reply-To: <95A3406A-27F1-4282-90B5-24DF7402EA36@widomaker.com> References: <571A69F8.6000205@strus.co.uk> <95A3406A-27F1-4282-90B5-24DF7402EA36@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <571AA1E0.5080405@strus.co.uk> Hi Bill and others, The split macro does move the B vfo up by 1khz but this is not shown on the display (Red band) until i manually move the B vfo even just one digit. The prob is not data cable cons but thanks for the thought. I may try changing the order of some of the things in the macro or even add a delay (;). I will keep you posted 73 de Tony G6GLP On 22/04/2016 20:53, Nr4c wrote: > If you're saying "with both VFOs on same freq, the P3 doesn't show the red band indicating that VFO B is the TX freq. " that's normal. Since both are on same freq the VFO B cursor is hidden behind the green VFO A cursor. > But I may have misread your post. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Apr 22, 2016, at 2:14 PM, Tony G6GLP wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> I have noticed a little problem (not much) with the P3 display. I have A K3 P3 and vga card set up as per the book and work fine until I go from normal to split working. I achieve this with a macro on the K3. The problem is the K3 goes into split but the display on the P3 and monitor doesnt show the split until I move the sub rx and up it pops. Its not a problem now I know about it but does anyone else see this or is there something I could change to stop it. >> If more details are required I can copy out the macro (Not Mine) and give a blow by low description. >> >> 73 de Tony G6GLP >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7539 / Virus Database: 4556/12081 - Release Date: 04/22/16 > > From k6um.elist at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 19:13:27 2016 From: k6um.elist at gmail.com (Steve Lund) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 23:13:27 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] K3EXREF not working Message-ID: I just noticed that my K3 frequency is approximately 50 Hz off. I have the K3EXREF installed and the external 10 MHz is supplying +10 dBm to the rear panel connector. The 10 MHz appears to be 3 Hz low according to my counter and spectrum analyzer. Is this too much? One recent change is that I installed the K3SYN3A a few months ago. I didn't check to see if the K3EXREF was locking to the external reference. Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this? Thanks, Steve, K6UM From dave at nk7z.net Fri Apr 22 19:26:58 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 16:26:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Display of split In-Reply-To: <571A69F8.6000205@strus.co.uk> References: <571A69F8.6000205@strus.co.uk> Message-ID: <1461367618.29911.36.camel@nk7z.net> Hi Tony, I use this macro for split and it works for me: BW0001;SWT13;SWT13;FT1;UPB7;RT0;XT0;#SPN000060;#RCF+002500;BW0280; BW Sets bandwidth to as narrow as possible... SWT13 Copies the current vreq to VFO B FT1 Selects VFO A UPB7 Moves the VFO A up 5 RT0/XT0 Clear RIT and XIT SPN Sets the P3 span to 6 KHz RCF Offsets the current displayied frequency 2.5 KHz sideways on ? ? ? ? the P3 screen moving it close to the left side of the ? ? ? ? display. ? BW280 ? Sets the Recieve bandwidth at 2.8 KHz, while leaving the? ? ? ? ? transmit at minimum... ? I do CW mostly so I want a small vertical line showing transmit frequency. ? Hope this helps... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Fri, 2016-04-22 at 19:14 +0100, Tony G6GLP wrote: > Hi All, > I have noticed a little problem (not much) with the P3 display. I > have?? > A K3 P3 and vga card set up as per the book and work fine until I go? > from normal to split working. I achieve this with a macro on the K3. > The? > problem is the K3 goes into split but the display on the P3 and > monitor? > doesnt show the split until I move the sub rx and up it pops. Its not > a? > problem now I know about it but does anyone else see this or is > there? > something I could change to stop it. > If more details are required I can copy out the macro (Not Mine) and? > give a blow by low description. > > 73 de Tony G6GLP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From dave at nk7z.net Fri Apr 22 19:31:17 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 16:31:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Display of split In-Reply-To: <571AA1E0.5080405@strus.co.uk> References: <571A69F8.6000205@strus.co.uk> <95A3406A-27F1-4282-90B5-24DF7402EA36@widomaker.com> <571AA1E0.5080405@strus.co.uk> Message-ID: <1461367877.29911.41.camel@nk7z.net> If you don't have the latest P3 software, this may be the cause... ?There was an issue when stacking macros, whereby a macro failed in interesting and odd ways depending-- on the previous macro command... ? They would work fine if executed in the MACRO editor Elecraft provides, as long as you did them one at a time, but if you stacked them into a single macro, that macro would fail. ?See my previous post for a macro I KNOW works with the new software for the P3. -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Fri, 2016-04-22 at 23:12 +0100, Tony G6GLP wrote: > Hi Bill and others, > The split macro does move the B vfo up by 1khz but this is not shown > on? > the display (Red band) until i manually move the B vfo even just one? > digit. The prob is not data cable cons but thanks for the thought. I > may? > try changing the order of some of the things in the macro or even add > a? > delay (;). I will keep you posted > > 73 de Tony G6GLP > > > > > On 22/04/2016 20:53, Nr4c wrote: > > > > If you're saying "with both VFOs on same freq, the P3 doesn't show > > the red band indicating that VFO B is the TX freq. " that's > > normal.??Since both are on same freq the VFO B cursor is hidden > > behind the green VFO A cursor. > > But I may have misread your post. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ...nr4c. bill > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 22, 2016, at 2:14 PM, Tony G6GLP > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > I have noticed a little problem (not much) with the P3 display. I > > > have??A K3 P3 and vga card set up as per the book and work fine > > > until I go from normal to split working. I achieve this with a > > > macro on the K3. The problem is the K3 goes into split but the > > > display on the P3 and monitor doesnt show the split until I move > > > the sub rx and up it pops. Its not a problem now I know about it > > > but does anyone else see this or is there something I could > > > change to stop it. > > > If more details are required I can copy out the macro (Not Mine) > > > and give a blow by low description. > > > > > > 73 de Tony G6GLP > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.ht > > > ml > > > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2016.0.7539 / Virus Database: 4556/12081 - Release Date: > > 04/22/16 > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From ron at cobi.biz Fri Apr 22 19:47:31 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 16:47:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] K3EXREF not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003b01d19cf1$564f1610$02ed4230$@biz> Hi Steve: Have you checked its operation as shown in the K3EXREF manual? The manual is available here if you no longer have your copy. See page 4: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740156%20K3EXREF%20Installation%20and%20Oper ation%20Manual%20Rev%20A2.pdf Note that with the external signal present, the asterisk between REF and CAL should be blinking. Another test you can run is to disconnect the external signal, adjust the REFCAL manually as described in your K3 Owner's Manual, and then reconnect the external signal. You should see the REFCAL value displayed change automatically. Note that the K3EXREF only corrects the REF CAL frequency to be with 2 Hz of the standard. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steve Lund Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 4:13 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] K3EXREF not working I just noticed that my K3 frequency is approximately 50 Hz off. I have the K3EXREF installed and the external 10 MHz is supplying +10 dBm to the rear panel connector. The 10 MHz appears to be 3 Hz low according to my counter and spectrum analyzer. Is this too much? One recent change is that I installed the K3SYN3A a few months ago. I didn't check to see if the K3EXREF was locking to the external reference. Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this? Thanks, Steve, K6UM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Sat Apr 23 07:23:48 2016 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 04:23:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] K3EXREF not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1461410628768-7616589.post@n2.nabble.com> I have photos of the K3's display as it is locked to an external 10 MHz reference on my blog site (as images 2 and 3). Perhaps that could be of some help in troubleshooting the K3EXREF. See http://la3za.blogspot.no/2015/10/just-good-enough-10-mhz-reference.html ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-K3EXREF-not-working-tp7616586p7616589.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rthorne at rthorne.net Sat Apr 23 11:24:09 2016 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 10:24:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 F for sale Message-ID: <571B9399.3000100@rthorne.net> The K3/100F is a factory unit serial 1284 in excellent physical and electrical condition. It's been back to the factory a few times for all of the upgrades including the gold pins and the 12v upgrade which supports the P3. Included features/options: KAT3-F KRX3 2nd receiver. Both receivers include the following:2.8, 1.8 and 400 8 pole filters KXV3B RX Ant, 2nd Preamp, IF output, XVTR Interface KSYN3A (revision b boards) upgrade on both receivers * $2575 Shipped with the manual. Check or paypal, we can discuss. * Rich - N5ZC From rthorne at rthorne.net Sat Apr 23 14:17:30 2016 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:17:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 F for sale In-Reply-To: <571B9399.3000100@rthorne.net> References: <571B9399.3000100@rthorne.net> Message-ID: <4ba47dec-41ae-9d44-22e4-0d100e60927e@rthorne.net> The K3 is sold. On 4/23/2016 10:24 AM, Richard Thorne wrote: > The K3/100F is a factory unit serial 1284 in excellent physical and > electrical condition. It's been back to the factory a few times for > all of the upgrades including the gold pins and the 12v upgrade which > supports the P3. Included features/options: > KAT3-F > KRX3 2nd receiver. > Both receivers include the following:2.8, 1.8 and 400 8 pole filters > KXV3B RX Ant, 2nd Preamp, IF output, XVTR Interface > KSYN3A (revision b boards) upgrade on both receivers > * > $2575 Shipped with the manual. Check or paypal, we can discuss. > * > Rich - N5ZC From k9jri at mac.com Sat Apr 23 16:22:17 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 16:22:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Adapter for iPhone type headset for use with the KX3 Message-ID: I am interested in a ready made adapter to split the standard iPhone headset?s TRRS plug into a separate TRS for receive audio and either a TS or a TRS for the microphone audio jacks on my KX3. I would like to be able to use the microphone built into the cable of my Bose QC25 (iPhone version). I am aware of the pinouts of the TRRS plug but that is a difficult size jack to work with if you have an old eye. Two would be better but I only have one :) If you are aware of one I would appreciate a link to its source. Michael Blake - K9JRI From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Apr 23 16:36:48 2016 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 20:36:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Using the Reflector Archives Message-ID: The question in general is how best to search the reflector archives. The most direct way is a word search, aided by a very limited form of Boolean analysis through the "Advanced Search" function. But I find that clunky, and not very useful for topics that don't have predictable or uniform vocabularies. It risks both sorts of errors - overinclusion and under inclusion. I am not unfamiliar with search strategies in general, having spent the better part of a lifetime dealing with legal and health sciences databases of almost every conceivable kind. Almost all of the better ones are both Boolean and topical, which the reflector archives are not - unless I am missing something. So, just wondering how those who use the reflector archives navigate through them . . . for example, for a subset of a broader topical search. Any secrets you'd be willing to share? Thanks, Ted, KN1CBR From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sat Apr 23 16:49:35 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:49:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Using the Reflector Archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <571BDFDF.2020009@socal.rr.com> Ted, I use this http://marc.info/?l=elecraft and check subjects in most cases. Seems to work well. 73, Phil W7OX On 4/23/16 1:36 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > The question in general is how best to search the reflector archives. The most direct way is a word search, aided by a very limited form of Boolean analysis through the "Advanced Search" function. But I find that clunky, and not very useful for topics that don't have predictable or uniform vocabularies. It risks both sorts of errors - overinclusion and under inclusion. I am not unfamiliar with search strategies in general, having spent the better part of a lifetime dealing with legal and health sciences databases of almost every conceivable kind. Almost all of the better ones are both Boolean and topical, which the reflector archives are not - unless I am missing something. So, just wondering how those who use the reflector archives navigate through them . . . for example, for a subset of a broader topical search. Any secrets you'd be willing to share? Thanks, > > Ted, KN1CBR From huntinhmb at coastside.net Sat Apr 23 17:21:46 2016 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:21:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Adapter for iPhone type headset for use with the KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Search Amazon.com for TRRS adapter. Lots of choices available for few $. Make sure you get the right gender(s). 73, Brian, K0DTJ > On Apr 23, 2016, at 13:22, Michael Blake wrote: > > I am interested in a ready made adapter to split the standard iPhone headset?s TRRS plug into a separate TRS for receive audio and either a TS or a TRS for the microphone audio jacks on my KX3. > From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat Apr 23 17:55:58 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:55:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Using the Reflector Archives In-Reply-To: <571BDFDF.2020009@socal.rr.com> References: <571BDFDF.2020009@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <7E84C52E-0556-4353-817B-85F8F2C5F2D2@wunderwood.org> One approach is to let Google do the work. You can limit your search to one website in Google. Put ?site:? in front of the domain name you want to search. For the Nabble archive of the Elecraft reflector, the domain name is: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ The Google search looks like this, including a query for ?random wire antenna length?: site:elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com random wire antenna length The Google results should look like this: https://www.google.com/search?q=site:elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com+random+wire+antenna+length wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Apr 23, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > > Ted, > > I use this http://marc.info/?l=elecraft and check subjects in most cases. Seems to work well. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 4/23/16 1:36 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> The question in general is how best to search the reflector archives. The most direct way is a word search, aided by a very limited form of Boolean analysis through the "Advanced Search" function. But I find that clunky, and not very useful for topics that don't have predictable or uniform vocabularies. It risks both sorts of errors - overinclusion and under inclusion. I am not unfamiliar with search strategies in general, having spent the better part of a lifetime dealing with legal and health sciences databases of almost every conceivable kind. Almost all of the better ones are both Boolean and topical, which the reflector archives are not - unless I am missing something. So, just wondering how those who use the reflector archives navigate through them . . . for example, for a subset of a broader topical search. Any secrets you'd be willing to share? Thanks, >> >> Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From rthorne at rthorne.net Sat Apr 23 18:14:11 2016 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:14:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPAK3AUX Cable Set Message-ID: I have the KPAK3AUX cable set available. As pictured here: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KPAK3AUX%20Cable%20Set%20Instructions.pdf $22 shipped priority Rich - N5ZC From rattray at accesscomm.ca Sun Apr 24 00:37:24 2016 From: rattray at accesscomm.ca (Bruce Rattray) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 22:37:24 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] PBSK31 Message-ID: <000001d19de2$ffdf2980$ff9d7c80$@accesscomm.ca> What is the safe level to operate the K2 at for the PBSK31 mode? I'm thinking 2 or 3 watts. tnx 73 Bruce ve5rc From jack at satterfield.org Sun Apr 24 07:12:27 2016 From: jack at satterfield.org (Jack Satterfield) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 07:12:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Attenuation in Operate Message-ID: <000b01d19e1a$2fba4590$8f2ed0b0$@org> This one has me scratching my head, when switching KPA500 from standby to operate the receiver signal drops about 30db otherwise it is operating Normally. Suggestions appreciated Jack W4GRJ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 24 07:43:03 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 07:43:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PBSK31 In-Reply-To: <000001d19de2$ffdf2980$ff9d7c80$@accesscomm.ca> References: <000001d19de2$ffdf2980$ff9d7c80$@accesscomm.ca> Message-ID: Bruce, I always operated mine at 5 watts. The K2/10 has a large heatsink area. You may want to try even higher than 5 watts - if you want to check to make sure it is OK, feel the bottom rear panel of the K2 enclosure. It will be warm, But you should still be able to hold your fingers on it. If it is too hot to touch continually, it is too hot. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/24/2016 12:37 AM, Bruce Rattray wrote: > What is the safe level to operate the K2 at for the PBSK31 mode? I'm > thinking 2 or 3 watts. tnx 73 Bruce ve5rc > From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Sun Apr 24 09:18:10 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 06:18:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PBSK31 In-Reply-To: <000001d19de2$ffdf2980$ff9d7c80$@accesscomm.ca> References: <000001d19de2$ffdf2980$ff9d7c80$@accesscomm.ca> Message-ID: <1461503890604-7616600.post@n2.nabble.com> I agree with Don, the K2 should be brick-on-key at 5 watts at least. On m 12V batteries, mine are almost that way at full power, the heat sink at the bottom definitely gets warm but seems to go forever without getting hot. On a regulated PS, though, that doesn't drop into the 11v range like my batts, that may not be true.... 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PBSK31-tp7616597p7616600.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Sun Apr 24 09:31:30 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 06:31:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 freq stability Message-ID: <1461504690649-7616601.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, Here's an interesting finding, though I apologize if this is already in the past archives. No matter how careful you are when installing L33 on the bottom of the board, it's so close to the bottom cover that any movement of it, say when you're picking up the rig or manipulating the bale, etc., will pull the BFO. On my 2nd K2 that I just completed it was so bad that I could pick up the rig, set it back down and the tone of signals was very slightly, but noticeably off. So what I did was put a lockwasher between the cover and the standoff near L33 to raise the cover a little bit and get it the heck away from L33 as much as I could. It actually made a large improvement in the general frequency stability of the rig - which means before I was seeing more contributions in overall drift from the BFO in addition to the rest of the circuitry. The washer is an ugly fix, since the cover bows out a little bit, but it's totally non-destructive and reversible. I did the same fix to my other K2 which didn't have the problem to the same degree, but it helped on that one too. Fortunately the slightly bowed out bottom cover is under the rig and you never see it. But just in case you've been experiencing more drift in your K2 than you think you should get, or it pulls when you pick it up.... that's a fix that is working on mine. 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-freq-stability-tp7616601.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 09:36:40 2016 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 13:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] PBSK31 In-Reply-To: <1461503890604-7616600.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <000001d19de2$ffdf2980$ff9d7c80$@accesscomm.ca> <1461503890604-7616600.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Wouldn't want to go much higher than 5W though -- you want to maintain linearity, and PSK31 has a peak-to-average-power-ratio of 3dB. 73, Matt VK2RQ Envoy? d?Outlook Mobile On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:18 AM -0700, "lstavenhagen" wrote: I agree with Don, the K2 should be brick-on-key at 5 watts at least. On m 12V batteries, mine are almost that way at full power, the heat sink at the bottom definitely gets warm but seems to go forever without getting hot. On a regulated PS, though, that doesn't drop into the 11v range like my batts, that may not be true.... 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PBSK31-tp7616597p7616600.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From jim at n7us.net Sun Apr 24 09:43:30 2016 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 08:43:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 frequency memory labels missing Message-ID: <01c001d19e2f$49d5b990$dd812cb0$@n7us.net> I don't know if it's related to updating my K3 with MCU 05.38, but I now have a problem with the display. After pressing M->V, the VFO B displays gibberish for all memories rather than the label assigned in the Frequency Memory Editor program. 73, Jim N7US From km6cq at km6cq.com Sun Apr 24 09:57:07 2016 From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 06:57:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale; KX3 Message-ID: Hello, I have a KX3 for sale that is fully loaded. It has the KX Cooler heat sink, 2 Meter module, mic and extra power cord. It is factory built and has all of the options installed. I am the original owner and it comes with the original box and manual. There are no scuffs or scratches. It is my back up rig and has had very little use. It just sits on my desk. Below are all the options listed. I have $1970 into this. I will ship it to your door for $1550 I prefer Paypal. Please contact me with any questions. Thanks, Dan *Pwr Cable, 3ft. APP to 2.1MM $14.95* *KX3-2M-AT 2M All-Mode Internal KX3 Option $259.95* *KX3-F KX3-F 160-6 M Transceiver (Assm) $1049.95* *KX3-PCKT Accessory Cable Set $19.95* *KXAT3 ATU for the KX3 $199.95* *KXBC3 Int. NiMH Charger/Clk for KX3 $79.95* *KXFL3 Dual-Passband Roofing Filter $149.95* *MH3 Hand Mic. for KX3 $59.95* *Cooler KX Plus(TM) Black Power Coat $118.00* Thanks, Dan KM6CQ www.km6cq.com From gafenwick at att.net Sun Apr 24 10:08:02 2016 From: gafenwick at att.net (George Fenwick) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:08:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3 and P3 In-Reply-To: <1UKlZSMh18.14syl1U5EMh@desktop-thjdvmg> Message-ID: <1UKlZSMh18.14syl1U5EMh@desktop-thjdvmg> ELECRAFT K3/100, SN 7179, and P3 w/SVGA, SN 2970 Main Receiver has 2.8 and 1.8 filters KRX3 Sub Receiver with 2.7 filter KXV3A for IF Out and XVTR Interface KIO3 I/O adapter KDVR Digital Voice Recorder NO ATU! (I used my KAT500 which is not for sale) Nifty K3 manual, Nifty P3 Manual Raytheon Commercial grade hand microphone (with Noise Canceling) Power Cable with APP connectors, P3 cables come with P3. Good Condition, Works fine. One non-smoking owner. No DXPeditions or Mobile. Take it out of the box and plug it into your PS and antenna and you are on the air. W2AIV. Contact me at gafenwick at att.net. PayPal OK. K3, $2700 shipped CONUS (only). P3w/SVGA, $800 shipped CONUS (only), or $3300 for both. P3 will not be sold until the K3 sells. Pictures on request. From k2cm.george at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 10:14:13 2016 From: k2cm.george at gmail.com (george allen) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:14:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Attenuation in Operate In-Reply-To: <000b01d19e1a$2fba4590$8f2ed0b0$@org> References: <000b01d19e1a$2fba4590$8f2ed0b0$@org> Message-ID: <0FD86013-B878-46FD-8682-06ACF7D8B95F@gmail.com> If the KPA500 is not tuned to the frequency you listening to, the signal strength will be way down as the radio is not tuned to the antenna. Transmit to tune the antenna, and the signal will come back up. When in standby or off, the tuner is out of the circuit so the antenna match MAY be some what better. I too, see this in my shack. For example, tuner is on automatic, last tranmit band was 20mtrs, and I listen to 40 mtrs...signal way down. Transmit, the tuner tunes, and the signal strength is normal. If you have your K3 connected to the tuner to supply frequency info to the tuner, and you have "trained" the tuner to preset tuning for frequencies you use, this should not happen. In my case I am using a Flex6700 with the tuner...freq info not sent to the tuner, so this is common for me. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 24, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Jack Satterfield wrote: > > This one has me scratching my head, when switching KPA500 from standby to > operate the receiver signal drops about 30db otherwise it is operating > Normally. > > Suggestions appreciated > > Jack > > W4GRJ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2cm.george at gmail.com From jack at satterfield.org Sun Apr 24 10:17:44 2016 From: jack at satterfield.org (Jack) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:17:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Attenuation in Operate In-Reply-To: <0FD86013-B878-46FD-8682-06ACF7D8B95F@gmail.com> References: <000b01d19e1a$2fba4590$8f2ed0b0$@org> <0FD86013-B878-46FD-8682-06ACF7D8B95F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <095787F7-3491-4062-AFB1-93B4D32DD966@satterfield.org> I really don't understand your comments since there is no tuner in the KPA500 Jack W4GRJ On Apr 24, 2016, at 10:14 AM, george allen wrote: If the KPA500 is not tuned to the frequency you listening to, the signal strength will be way down as the radio is not tuned to the antenna. Transmit to tune the antenna, and the signal will come back up. When in standby or off, the tuner is out of the circuit so the antenna match MAY be some what better. I too, see this in my shack. For example, tuner is on automatic, last tranmit band was 20mtrs, and I listen to 40 mtrs...signal way down. Transmit, the tuner tunes, and the signal strength is normal. If you have your K3 connected to the tuner to supply frequency info to the tuner, and you have "trained" the tuner to preset tuning for frequencies you use, this should not happen. In my case I am using a Flex6700 with the tuner...freq info not sent to the tuner, so this is common for me. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 24, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Jack Satterfield wrote: > > This one has me scratching my head, when switching KPA500 from standby to > operate the receiver signal drops about 30db otherwise it is operating > Normally. > > Suggestions appreciated > > Jack > > W4GRJ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2cm.george at gmail.com From k2cm.george at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 10:46:45 2016 From: k2cm.george at gmail.com (george allen) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:46:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Attenuation in Operate In-Reply-To: <095787F7-3491-4062-AFB1-93B4D32DD966@satterfield.org> References: <000b01d19e1a$2fba4590$8f2ed0b0$@org> <0FD86013-B878-46FD-8682-06ACF7D8B95F@gmail.com> <095787F7-3491-4062-AFB1-93B4D32DD966@satterfield.org> Message-ID: Oooops, sorry Jack...was thinking of the KAT500 antenna tuner. I have both the KAT500 tuner and the KPA500 amp. I have not seen your issue with the amp....but, do see a similar issue with the tuner. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 24, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Jack wrote: > > I really don't understand your comments since there is no tuner in the KPA500 > Jack > W4GRJ > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 10:14 AM, george allen wrote: > > If the KPA500 is not tuned to the frequency you listening to, the signal strength will be way idown as the radio is not tuned to the antenna. Transmit to tune the antenna, and the signal will come back up. When in standby or off, the tuner is out of the circuit so the antenna match MAY be some what better. > > I too, see this in my shack. For example, tuner is on automatic, last tranmit band was 20mtrs, and I listen to 40 mtrs...signal way down. Transmit, the tuner tunes, and the signal strength is normal. > > If you have your K3 connected to the tuner to supply frequency info to the tuner, and you have "trained" the tuner to preset tuning for frequencies you use, this should not happen. > > In my case I am using a Flex6700 with the tuner...freq info not sent to the tuner, so this is common for me. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 24, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Jack Satterfield wrote: >> >> This one has me scratching my head, when switching KPA500 from standby to >> operate the receiver signal drops about 30db otherwise it is operating >> Normally. >> >> Suggestions appreciated >> >> Jack >> >> W4GRJ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2cm.george at gmail.com From dick at elecraft.com Sun Apr 24 10:49:07 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 07:49:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 frequency memory labels missing In-Reply-To: <01c001d19e2f$49d5b990$dd812cb0$@n7us.net> References: <01c001d19e2f$49d5b990$dd812cb0$@n7us.net> Message-ID: <00c701d19e38$749e8cc0$5ddba640$@elecraft.com> You need to install all the files that came with that firmware version. The FPF file and MCU file are coordinated. Try installing all firmware instead of just the MCU. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim McDonald Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 06:44 To: Elecraft K3 Reflector ; Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3 frequency memory labels missing I don't know if it's related to updating my K3 with MCU 05.38, but I now have a problem with the display. After pressing M->V, the VFO B displays gibberish for all memories rather than the label assigned in the Frequency Memory Editor program. 73, Jim N7US ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From jim at n7us.net Sun Apr 24 11:21:53 2016 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:21:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 frequency memory labels missing Message-ID: <01cb01d19e3d$089aa040$19cfe0c0$@n7us.net> Just did that, Dick, and no change. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- You need to install all the files that came with that firmware version. The FPF file and MCU file are coordinated. Try installing all firmware instead of just the MCU. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- I don't know if it's related to updating my K3 with MCU 05.38, but I now have a problem with the display. After pressing M->V, the VFO B displays gibberish for all memories rather than the label assigned in the Frequency Memory Editor program. 73, Jim N7US From jkassot at ieee.org Sun Apr 24 12:05:31 2016 From: jkassot at ieee.org (Ioannis Kassotakis) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 18:05:31 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA/100 displays wrong PS current (much lower) Message-ID: Just finished building the KPA-100 for my S/N 2102 K2 (MCU v. 2.03D, KPA 1.06) The K2/100 does not display the correct 13.8 V power supply current (by taping Display) when it switches to HI POWER (>10 Watts). I used a DMM in series to accurately measure the PS supplied current while checking the K2 display at several power settings . Later, I also measured the KPA TP1 voltage which is the I sense input to the KPA-100 processor. For several power settings I got: PWR (Watts) - PS Current (DMM) Amps - K2 Current Display Amps - KPA/100 TP1 (mV) RX-0.4 - 0.44 - 0 1.0- 1.72- 1.76 -0 5.0 - 3.3-3.3 - 0 10- 3.8 - 3.8 - 0 15- 4.5 - 1.01 - Not measured 20- 5.4 - 1.02 - 100 40 - 7.0 - 1.20 - 250 60 - 8.5 - 1.28 -380 80 - 9.5 - 1.41 - 500 100 - 10.3 - 1.48 - 580 111 - 10.8 - 1.54 - N/A The measurements were done at 40 m (7.100) at CW to a dummy load through KAT-100. It seems to work fine a LO PWR (<11 Watts) but appears to have a scaling issue, when the PA switches On to HI PWR mode. According to the schem (p.61) I Sense is supposed to vary 0-5 V for 0-32 A, so the TP1 figures seem to be rather low. Is this a known issue? Is it possible that I have a failed U7 or Q5 ? Thanks! Ioannis -- Ioannis Kassotakis From pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl Sun Apr 24 12:36:51 2016 From: pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl (William@zendamateur.nl) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 18:36:51 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Building K2 SSB unit KSB2 version E Message-ID: <00a901d19e47$81897170$849c5450$@zendamateur.nl> Hi every body, Posted some messages, and love the way the list works. Sorry about my English last message was just thinking on paper and that ended in some comments :) I bought the K2 ? already build, looked good so I took the risk Now wat I noticed having finished today the RF board, is that the previous builder reversed the connectors J9 J10 and J11 he installed the mail side on the RF board, and the female on the KSB2 board. I don?t think there will be a divergence. Any thoughts from the group ?? Regards William PE1BSB From marrotte at verizon.net Sun Apr 24 13:29:38 2016 From: marrotte at verizon.net (Roger Marrotte) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 13:29:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: KX3/PX3/Begali Adventure Key/Accessories Message-ID: <000201d19e4e$e19dfc00$a4d9f400$@verizon.net> I'm selling my KX3 and PX3. I purchased them last year in the fall. They have seldom been used. They look and work like new. The following items are included: KX3 serial #8212 PX3 serial #1493 KXFL3 Internal Dual-Passband Roofing Filter KXAT3 Internal, 20-W Automatic Antenna Tuner KXBC3 Internal NiMH Charger / Real-Time Clock SMA-RA SMA M-F Right Angle Adapter BNC-BP BNC Male to Stackable Binding Posts XG50 (Simple 49.380 MHz Signal Source) KX3-PCKT Accessory Cable Set Power Cables 2 KXUSB cables 8 Eneloop Pro 2450 mAh Ni-MH batteries (the kind that hold a charge) Begali Adventure Key Begali Adventure KX3 mount Begali Adventure desk mount A small microphone on a goose neck that allows hands free operation Manuals Approximate current purchase price for all items is: Kit $2335.- Assembled $2535.- I'll sell all items for $1950.00, shipping included. PayPal preferred. USA Only Please contact me off the list for any questions. Thanks, Roger, W1EM From kevinr at coho.net Sun Apr 24 13:59:09 2016 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:59:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <571D096D.4080309@coho.net> Hello, Propagation has been in decline for the last few weeks. Currently the flux is at 79 sfu. I have best results when this number is over 100. The reverse beacon net on 20 and 30 meters gave no results. Hopefully by this afternoon conditions will have marginally improved. Weather has been all over with a temperature range from the low 40s to the mid 80s during the day. On Friday night the skies just opened up with a fifteen minute deluge. Then came another fifteen minutes of a lightning show. Nothing like the standard Midwestern thunderstorm but it was pretty good for the Pacific Northwest. I have built another antenna so when I have my K3 repaired I'll be able to test conditions from multiple angles. It is another doublet cut for around 160 meters which will be at right angles to the first one. I plan to install it as a V but with that much wire it's tough to get the center up high enough to make the angle small enough. Ninety feet is about the limit on the wrist rocket - fishing line - sinker system I employ. That leaves at least forty feet of wasted tree height. Please join us at: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 24 14:04:05 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 14:04:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA/100 displays wrong PS current (much lower) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60a3ee28-71b8-7654-7719-dea3368b166d@embarqmail.com> Ioannis, The current display on the K2 indicates only the current for the base K2, not for the K2 and KPA100 combination. That is why you set the CAL CUR to 3.50 amps even though the KPA100 will draw much more current. Yes, the KPA100 does have a scaling on the amount of RF voltage that is being detected. That is used for power control and has nothing to do with the current displayed. The result of that voltage is sent to the VRFDET signal in the K2 (Voltage of the RF Detected). 73, Don W3FPR On 4/24/2016 12:05 PM, Ioannis Kassotakis wrote: > Just finished building the KPA-100 for my S/N 2102 K2 (MCU v. 2.03D, KPA > 1.06) > The K2/100 does not display the correct 13.8 V power supply current (by > taping Display) when it switches to HI POWER (>10 Watts). > I used a DMM in series to accurately measure the PS supplied current while > checking the K2 display at several power settings . Later, I also measured > the KPA TP1 voltage which is the I sense input to the KPA-100 processor. > For several power settings I got: > PWR (Watts) - PS Current (DMM) Amps - K2 Current Display Amps - KPA/100 TP1 > (mV) > RX-0.4 - 0.44 - 0 > 1.0- 1.72- 1.76 -0 > 5.0 - 3.3-3.3 - 0 > 10- 3.8 - 3.8 - 0 > 15- 4.5 - 1.01 - Not measured > 20- 5.4 - 1.02 - 100 > 40 - 7.0 - 1.20 - 250 > 60 - 8.5 - 1.28 -380 > 80 - 9.5 - 1.41 - 500 > 100 - 10.3 - 1.48 - 580 > 111 - 10.8 - 1.54 - N/A > The measurements were done at 40 m (7.100) at CW to a dummy load through > KAT-100. > > It seems to work fine a LO PWR (<11 Watts) but appears to have a scaling > issue, when the PA switches On to HI PWR mode. > According to the schem (p.61) I Sense is supposed to vary 0-5 V for 0-32 A, > so the TP1 figures seem to be rather low. > Is this a known issue? Is it possible that I have a failed U7 or Q5 ? > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 24 14:09:16 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 14:09:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Building K2 SSB unit KSB2 version E In-Reply-To: <00a901d19e47$81897170$849c5450$@zendamateur.nl> References: <00a901d19e47$81897170$849c5450$@zendamateur.nl> Message-ID: <4ff7f26b-a5d8-9771-2169-04933eff6655@embarqmail.com> William, I hate it when a builder does that and then I have to repair it later in its life - only because the bypass jumpers I have should I need to remove the KSB2 for test purposes do not work. Other than that aspect, it will cause no operational problems. There is a greater chance of the male pins to become bent if they are on the RF board, and if they should, they are harder to straighten than male pins on the option board. If you have *good* desoldering equipment available, I would change them, but lacking that, leave them as-is. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/24/2016 12:36 PM, William at zendamateur.nl wrote: > Hi every body, > > > > Posted some messages, and love the way the list works. > > Sorry about my English last message was just thinking on paper and that > ended in some comments :) > > > > I bought the K2 ? already build, looked good so I took the risk? > > > > Now wat I noticed having finished today the RF board, is that the previous > builder reversed the connectors J9 J10 and J11 he installed the mail side on > the RF board, and the female on the KSB2 board. > > > > I don?t think there will be a divergence. > > From rthorne at rthorne.net Sun Apr 24 14:13:46 2016 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 13:13:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: KPAK3AUX Cable Set In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sold. Rich - N5ZC -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [Elecraft] KPAK3AUX Cable Set Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:14:11 -0500 From: Richard Thorne To: Elecraft Reflector I have the KPAK3AUX cable set available. As pictured here: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KPAK3AUX%20Cable%20Set%20Instructions.pdf $22 shipped priority Rich - N5ZC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 24 14:17:31 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 14:17:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 freq stability In-Reply-To: <1461504690649-7616601.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1461504690649-7616601.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9adf77db-e49f-09ae-608b-49e284005a89@embarqmail.com> LS, That is not usually a problem if the rubber mounting stem has been cut off as instructed and the 1/8 watt resistor is pushed down inside the toroid core (so the core cannot move). One does not usually manipulate the bottom cover during operation, so the only time the BFO is liable to shift is when pressure is placed on the bottom cover. That is not 'drift' IMHO, but a change because of the physical proximity of the bottom cover. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/24/2016 9:31 AM, lstavenhagen wrote: > Hi all, > Here's an interesting finding, though I apologize if this is already in the > past archives. > > No matter how careful you are when installing L33 on the bottom of the > board, it's so close to the bottom cover that any movement of it, say when > you're picking up the rig or manipulating the bale, etc., will pull the BFO. > On my 2nd K2 that I just completed it was so bad that I could pick up the > rig, set it back down and the tone of signals was very slightly, but > noticeably off. > > So what I did was put a lockwasher between the cover and the standoff near > L33 to raise the cover a little bit and get it the heck away from L33 as > much as I could. It actually made a large improvement in the general > frequency stability of the rig - which means before I was seeing more > contributions in overall drift from the BFO in addition to the rest of the > circuitry. > > The washer is an ugly fix, since the cover bows out a little bit, but it's > totally non-destructive and reversible. I did the same fix to my other K2 > which didn't have the problem to the same degree, but it helped on that one > too. > > Fortunately the slightly bowed out bottom cover is under the rig and you > never see it. But just in case you've been experiencing more drift in your > K2 than you think you should get, or it pulls when you pick it up.... that's > a fix that is working on mine. > > From brendon at whateley.com Sun Apr 24 14:49:06 2016 From: brendon at whateley.com (Brendon Whateley) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 11:49:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 frequency memory labels missing In-Reply-To: <01cb01d19e3d$089aa040$19cfe0c0$@n7us.net> References: <01cb01d19e3d$089aa040$19cfe0c0$@n7us.net> Message-ID: Sounds like time to call or email Elecraft support. They often can resolve stuff like this really quickly. - Brendon On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Jim McDonald wrote: > Just did that, Dick, and no change. > > 73, Jim N7US > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > You need to install all the files that came with that firmware version. The > FPF file and MCU file are coordinated. > > Try installing all firmware instead of just the MCU. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > > -----Original Message----- > > I don't know if it's related to updating my K3 with MCU 05.38, but I now > have a problem with the display. > > After pressing M->V, the VFO B displays gibberish for all memories rather > than the label assigned in the Frequency Memory Editor program. > > 73, Jim N7US > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brendon at whateley.com > From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Sun Apr 24 14:52:55 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 11:52:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 freq stability In-Reply-To: <9adf77db-e49f-09ae-608b-49e284005a89@embarqmail.com> References: <1461504690649-7616601.post@n2.nabble.com> <9adf77db-e49f-09ae-608b-49e284005a89@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1461523975482-7616620.post@n2.nabble.com> Agreed, though on my most recent K2, it was close enough to actually change the BFO freq slightly even after releasing the pressure of my hand on the cover, etc., when I picked it up and moved it around. Course we're talking, like, fractions of a millimeter almost lol. I think just the small warp in the RF board and maybe in the bottom cover are just enough to get the panel close enough to the toroid and BFO area to make this happen on my recent K2. I was extremely careful with the bumper and positioning of the resistor and it was still mechanically too close to the panel (I could see the slight divet in the electrical tape when I'd take the cover off, but I never saw that on my first K2). But even K2 #1 pulls the BFO a little when I handle it pressing on the bottom cover with the rig on. Just not nearly as bad as #2.... But just the thickness of a lockwasher was enough to spread things out for a great improvement... Definitely not a "problem" problem, but, er,...How about a "very very close tolerance mechanical issue with L33 and the bottom cover", I'll put it that way lol. 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-freq-stability-tp7616601p7616620.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jkassot at ieee.org Sun Apr 24 15:14:39 2016 From: jkassot at ieee.org (Ioannis Kassotakis) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 21:14:39 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA/100 displays wrong PS current (much lower) In-Reply-To: <60a3ee28-71b8-7654-7719-dea3368b166d@embarqmail.com> References: <60a3ee28-71b8-7654-7719-dea3368b166d@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Don, That means that at HI PWR (>11 Watts) should disregard the displayed PS current figures. I thought that KPA100 processor would communicate the I Sense back to the MCU and display the correct current figure after rescaling. I understand that is not the case. 73, Ioannis PA1EQP On Sunday, 24 April 2016, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Ioannis, > > The current display on the K2 indicates only the current for the base K2, > not for the K2 and KPA100 combination. > That is why you set the CAL CUR to 3.50 amps even though the KPA100 will > draw much more current. > > Yes, the KPA100 does have a scaling on the amount of RF voltage that is > being detected. That is used for power control and has nothing to do with > the current displayed. The result of that voltage is sent to the VRFDET > signal in the K2 (Voltage of the RF Detected). > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 4/24/2016 12:05 PM, Ioannis Kassotakis wrote: > >> Just finished building the KPA-100 for my S/N 2102 K2 (MCU v. 2.03D, KPA >> 1.06) >> The K2/100 does not display the correct 13.8 V power supply current (by >> taping Display) when it switches to HI POWER (>10 Watts). >> I used a DMM in series to accurately measure the PS supplied current while >> checking the K2 display at several power settings . Later, I also measured >> the KPA TP1 voltage which is the I sense input to the KPA-100 processor. >> For several power settings I got: >> PWR (Watts) - PS Current (DMM) Amps - K2 Current Display Amps - KPA/100 >> TP1 >> (mV) >> RX-0.4 - 0.44 - 0 >> 1.0- 1.72- 1.76 -0 >> 5.0 - 3.3-3.3 - 0 >> 10- 3.8 - 3.8 - 0 >> 15- 4.5 - 1.01 - Not measured >> 20- 5.4 - 1.02 - 100 >> 40 - 7.0 - 1.20 - 250 >> 60 - 8.5 - 1.28 -380 >> 80 - 9.5 - 1.41 - 500 >> 100 - 10.3 - 1.48 - 580 >> 111 - 10.8 - 1.54 - N/A >> The measurements were done at 40 m (7.100) at CW to a dummy load through >> KAT-100. >> >> It seems to work fine a LO PWR (<11 Watts) but appears to have a scaling >> issue, when the PA switches On to HI PWR mode. >> According to the schem (p.61) I Sense is supposed to vary 0-5 V for 0-32 >> A, >> so the TP1 figures seem to be rather low. >> Is this a known issue? Is it possible that I have a failed U7 or Q5 ? >> >> >> > -- Ioannis Kassotakis From marrotte at verizon.net Sun Apr 24 15:26:01 2016 From: marrotte at verizon.net (Roger Marrotte) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:26:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: KX3/PX3/Begali Adventure Key/Accessories Message-ID: <000801d19e5f$23cca170$6b65e450$@verizon.net> The complete package has been sold, pending receipt of funds. Roger, W1EM From dk5ya at dk5ya.de Sun Apr 24 15:53:04 2016 From: dk5ya at dk5ya.de (Udo Langenohl - DK5YA) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 21:53:04 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Main RX gone deaf Message-ID: <571D2420.7090900@dk5ya.de> Gentleman, I'm struggling with a Main RX vs. Sub RX issue. My Main RX is rather deaf compared to the Sub RX. I see at least 23.5dB attenuation between Main RX and Sub RX when comparing highly stable signals from my signal generator (HP8664A). This is only for ANT1/2 vs. AUX-IN! Example: -33dBm on 28.500 into AUX-IN (SUB RX): exactly 59 +40dB into ANT 1 (Main RX): 59 +15dB into ANT 2 (Main RX): 59 +15dB I've checked all the usual suspects (pin diodes): D1 and D5 on the KXV3A: o.k. Each and every pin diode on the SUB IN board: o.k. D5 on the Main RX board: o.k. This is a K3 #59xx with almost everything inside money can buy. My second K3 (serial #39xx) does not show this strange behavior. Main RX and SUB RX show exactly the same values on ANT1/2 and AUX IN. -33dBm is 59+40 on MAIN and SUB RX, no matter if Ant1, 2 or AUX IN. Any idea? I'm searching for weeks now and I'm close to give up. Udo, DK5YA -- ****************************************** Webs by DK5YA: * http://www.mmmonvhf.de/ [editor]* http://www.vhfdx.de/ [owner] * http://www.palekastro.de/ [owner] * http://www.solweb.de/ [owner] * http://www.spessartwetter.de/ [owner] * ****************************************** From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 24 15:59:15 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:59:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA/100 displays wrong PS current (much lower) In-Reply-To: References: <60a3ee28-71b8-7654-7719-dea3368b166d@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <89e79b43-7198-71fc-0323-f89518de3ea7@embarqmail.com> The current display on the K2 is only for the current used by the base K2. I use it when testing the K2 for 'good health' and normal RF Gain, but during operating I see no need to monitor it on a regular basis. The Base K2 will indicate Hi Cur if the current draw goes above the value set by the CAL CUR parameter, and will reduce power if that occurs. Should you continue to get Hi Cur messages, that is an indication of something that should be investigated. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/24/2016 3:14 PM, Ioannis Kassotakis wrote: > Thanks Don, > That means that at HI PWR (>11 Watts) should disregard the displayed > PS current figures. > I thought that KPA100 processor would communicate the I Sense back to > the MCU and display the correct current figure after rescaling. I > understand that is not the case. > > 73, > > Ioannis PA1EQP > > On Sunday, 24 April 2016, Don Wilhelm > wrote: > > Ioannis, > > The current display on the K2 indicates only the current for the > base K2, not for the K2 and KPA100 combination. > That is why you set the CAL CUR to 3.50 amps even though the > KPA100 will draw much more current. > > Yes, the KPA100 does have a scaling on the amount of RF voltage > that is being detected. That is used for power control and has > nothing to do with the current displayed. The result of that > voltage is sent to the VRFDET signal in the K2 (Voltage of the RF > Detected). > > 73, > Don W3FPR > From jkassot at ieee.org Sun Apr 24 16:07:29 2016 From: jkassot at ieee.org (Ioannis Kassotakis) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 22:07:29 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA/100 displays wrong PS current (much lower) In-Reply-To: <89e79b43-7198-71fc-0323-f89518de3ea7@embarqmail.com> References: <60a3ee28-71b8-7654-7719-dea3368b166d@embarqmail.com> <89e79b43-7198-71fc-0323-f89518de3ea7@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Don, I understand that the PS current reading is only for the Base K2. I will rely on the bench PS display to read the 13.8 DC current. I have already set the CAL CUR to 3.8 Amps so that I do not get HI CUR alert at 10 Watts. 73, Ioannis PA1EQP On Sunday, 24 April 2016, Don Wilhelm wrote: > The current display on the K2 is only for the current used by the base > K2. I use it when testing the K2 for 'good health' and normal RF Gain, but > during operating I see no need to monitor it on a regular basis. > The Base K2 will indicate Hi Cur if the current draw goes above the value > set by the CAL CUR parameter, and will reduce power if that occurs. Should > you continue to get Hi Cur messages, that is an indication of something > that should be investigated. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 4/24/2016 3:14 PM, Ioannis Kassotakis wrote: > >> Thanks Don, >> That means that at HI PWR (>11 Watts) should disregard the displayed PS >> current figures. >> I thought that KPA100 processor would communicate the I Sense back to the >> MCU and display the correct current figure after rescaling. I understand >> that is not the case. >> >> 73, >> >> Ioannis PA1EQP >> >> On Sunday, 24 April 2016, Don Wilhelm > donwilh at embarqmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Ioannis, >> >> The current display on the K2 indicates only the current for the >> base K2, not for the K2 and KPA100 combination. >> That is why you set the CAL CUR to 3.50 amps even though the >> KPA100 will draw much more current. >> >> Yes, the KPA100 does have a scaling on the amount of RF voltage >> that is being detected. That is used for power control and has >> nothing to do with the current displayed. The result of that >> voltage is sent to the VRFDET signal in the K2 (Voltage of the RF >> Detected). >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> > -- Ioannis Kassotakis From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Apr 24 16:30:55 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:30:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Main RX gone deaf In-Reply-To: <571D2420.7090900@dk5ya.de> References: <571D2420.7090900@dk5ya.de> Message-ID: <571D2CFF.17690.6F6C4BB@Gary.ka1j.com> Udo, I'm not one of the more knowledgeable people on the list and hopefully, somebody with better knowledge than me helps you more. But with that, this is what I would look at if it were my radio... 1. Are your crystal filters set up properly; Could they be in reverse order between slots 1-5 on the main board and sub receiver? If they are in the identical order, have you set the K3 up to know what crystals are in there and, do you have the order of the crystals correct using the K3 Utility? If you have one bank listed opposite in the filter configuration, this will not work properly. 2. When Using B set; do you have the filters set the same on both Sub & main? Do you have the antennas set properly for the main as well as sub Rx? Could your main antenna for RX be listening to the wrong antenna? It's good you have two K3's: What you might do is have both of the K3's you have, side by side and check each setting, comparing the known good one to the settings on the one you're having trouble with. 3. Have you tried your good radio in place of your K3 that has the issues? Conversely, have you tried your problem K3 in the location your good K3 is? Perhaps there is a problem with the coax or antenna connections? Hopefully you will find your answer without having to have anything repaired. 73 & Happy hunting, Gary KA1J > Gentleman, > > I'm struggling with a Main RX vs. Sub RX issue. My Main RX is rather > deaf compared to the Sub RX. I see at least 23.5dB attenuation between > Main RX and Sub RX when comparing highly stable signals from my signal > generator (HP8664A). This is only for ANT1/2 vs. AUX-IN! > Example: > -33dBm on 28.500 > into AUX-IN (SUB RX): exactly 59 +40dB > into ANT 1 (Main RX): 59 +15dB > into ANT 2 (Main RX): 59 +15dB > > I've checked all the usual suspects (pin diodes): > D1 and D5 on the KXV3A: o.k. > Each and every pin diode on the SUB IN board: o.k. > D5 on the Main RX board: o.k. > > This is a K3 #59xx with almost everything inside money can buy. > > My second K3 (serial #39xx) does not show this strange behavior. Main RX > and SUB RX show exactly the same values on ANT1/2 and AUX IN. -33dBm is > 59+40 on MAIN and SUB RX, no matter if Ant1, 2 or AUX IN. > > Any idea? I'm searching for weeks now and I'm close to give up. > > Udo, DK5YA > -- > ****************************************** > Webs by DK5YA: * > http://www.mmmonvhf.de/ [editor]* > http://www.vhfdx.de/ [owner] * > http://www.palekastro.de/ [owner] * > http://www.solweb.de/ [owner] * > http://www.spessartwetter.de/ [owner] * > ****************************************** > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Apr 24 17:54:51 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 17:54:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Main RX gone deaf Message-ID: <571D40AB.25820.7439CF9@Gary.ka1j.com> Udo, I'm not one of the more knowledgeable people on the list and hopefully, somebody with better knowledge than me helps you more. But with that, this is what I would look at if it were my radio... 1. Are your crystal filters set up properly; Could they be in reverse order between slots 1-5 on the main board and sub receiver? If they are in the identical order, have you set the K3 up to know what crystals are in there and, do you have the order of the crystals correct using the K3 Utility? If you have one bank listed opposite in the filter configuration, this will not work properly. 2. When Using B set; do you have the filters set the same on both Sub & main? Do you have the antennas set properly for the main as well as sub Rx? Could your main antenna for RX be listening to the wrong antenna? It's good you have two K3's: What you might do is have both of the K3's you have, side by side and check each setting, comparing the known good one to the settings on the one you're having trouble with. 3. Have you tried your good radio in place of your K3 that has the issues? Conversely, have you tried your problem K3 in the location your good K3 is? Perhaps there is a problem with the coax or antenna connections? Hopefully you will find your answer without having to have anything repaired. 73 & Happy hunting, Gary KA1J > Gentleman, > > I'm struggling with a Main RX vs. Sub RX issue. My Main RX is rather > deaf compared to the Sub RX. I see at least 23.5dB attenuation between > Main RX and Sub RX when comparing highly stable signals from my signal > generator (HP8664A). This is only for ANT1/2 vs. AUX-IN! > Example: > -33dBm on 28.500 > into AUX-IN (SUB RX): exactly 59 +40dB > into ANT 1 (Main RX): 59 +15dB > into ANT 2 (Main RX): 59 +15dB > > I've checked all the usual suspects (pin diodes): > D1 and D5 on the KXV3A: o.k. > Each and every pin diode on the SUB IN board: o.k. > D5 on the Main RX board: o.k. > > This is a K3 #59xx with almost everything inside money can buy. > > My second K3 (serial #39xx) does not show this strange behavior. Main RX > and SUB RX show exactly the same values on ANT1/2 and AUX IN. -33dBm is > 59+40 on MAIN and SUB RX, no matter if Ant1, 2 or AUX IN. > > Any idea? I'm searching for weeks now and I'm close to give up. > > Udo, DK5YA > -- > ****************************************** > Webs by DK5YA: * > http://www.mmmonvhf.de/ [editor]* > http://www.vhfdx.de/ [owner] * > http://www.palekastro.de/ [owner] * > http://www.solweb.de/ [owner] * > http://www.spessartwetter.de/ [owner] * > ****************************************** > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From vk5dg at internode.on.net Sun Apr 24 18:02:00 2016 From: vk5dg at internode.on.net (David Giles) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 07:32:00 +0930 Subject: [Elecraft] PBSK31 In-Reply-To: <000001d19de2$ffdf2980$ff9d7c80$@accesscomm.ca> References: <000001d19de2$ffdf2980$ff9d7c80$@accesscomm.ca> Message-ID: <571D4258.30501@internode.on.net> I've made hundreds of contacts using JT65 and JT9 with my K2 at 5W. Most of these portable on a 12v battery with solar charging. With a 48 second transmit period, it's probably more of a stress test than BPSK31. 73 de David VK5DG / VK3TUN On 24/04/2016 2:07 PM, Bruce Rattray wrote: > What is the safe level to operate the K2 at for the PBSK31 mode? I'm > thinking 2 or 3 watts. tnx 73 Bruce ve5rc > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk5dg at internode.on.net > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Apr 24 18:23:15 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:23:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PBSK31 In-Reply-To: <571D4258.30501@internode.on.net> References: <000001d19de2$ffdf2980$ff9d7c80$@accesscomm.ca> <571D4258.30501@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <571D4753.2090804@socal.rr.com> David, Do you do anything special to ensure frequency stability in those modes with your K2? Phil W7OX On 4/24/16 3:02 PM, David Giles wrote: > I've made hundreds of contacts using JT65 and > JT9 with my K2 at 5W. Most of these portable on > a 12v battery with solar charging. With a 48 > second transmit period, it's probably more of a > stress test than BPSK31. > > 73 de David VK5DG / VK3TUN > > On 24/04/2016 2:07 PM, Bruce Rattray wrote: >> What is the safe level to operate the K2 at for >> the PBSK31 mode? I'm >> thinking 2 or 3 watts. tnx 73 Bruce ve5rc From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Apr 24 18:51:54 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 18:51:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB TXCO, freq ref & filters Message-ID: <571D4E0A.640.777D811@Gary.ka1j.com> Hello folks, I'm looking to find a: KTCXO3-1 TCXO 1 PPM that is excess to someone's needs. I just bought a backup rig for my K3s (I bought an older k3) and want to have it set up like my K3 was. I'm also looking for a: K3EXREF Ext. Frequency Reference Input that is excess as well, to go with the KTCXO3-1. I would like to also find a KFL3A-400 400 Hz, 8-pole filter as well as a: KFL3A-1.8K 1.8 kHz, 8-pole filter. Depending on the price, a: KFL3A-2.8K 2.8 kHz filter as well. If you have any of these gems, please contact me off list. Thanks! 73, Gary KA1J From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 24 18:52:18 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 18:52:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PBSK31 In-Reply-To: <571D4753.2090804@socal.rr.com> References: <000001d19de2$ffdf2980$ff9d7c80$@accesscomm.ca> <571D4258.30501@internode.on.net> <571D4753.2090804@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <7fef3162-3fb1-018e-74bb-c89d97db865e@embarqmail.com> Phil, I cannot say if David did anything special for frequency stability, but any K2 above SN 3000 had the BFO stability mod and the PLL Temperature compensation mod installed which can achieve the necessary stability. K2s below SN 3000 can be upgraded with those upgrade kits. The stock PLL Temperature Stability Mod has resistor RA as a 33k resistor. That resistor value can be modified to achieve closer temperature stability for any particular K2. The K2 manual does not contain information about how to vary and check the compensation, but that information is contained in the instructions for the PLL Temperature Stability Mod - download from Elecraft. The temperature change in the K2/10 is not likely to be very much even for long periods of transmit because the PA transistors and heatsink are not close to the VFO/PLL and BFO areas and there is a lot of 'air space' inside the enclosure. With the KPA100 added, that air space is much more confined and the heat from the KPA100 PA transistors will have an influence. In other words, while the stock K2/10 may be sufficiently stable, the K2/100 may need some 'tweaking' of the RA resistor value for equivalent stability. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/24/2016 6:23 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > David, > > Do you do anything special to ensure frequency stability in those > modes with your K2? > > Phil W7OX > > On 4/24/16 3:02 PM, David Giles wrote: >> I've made hundreds of contacts using JT65 and JT9 with my K2 at 5W. >> Most of these portable on a 12v battery with solar charging. With a >> 48 second transmit period, it's probably more of a stress test than >> BPSK31. >> >> 73 de David VK5DG / VK3TUN From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 24 19:10:04 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:10:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA/100 displays wrong PS current (much lower) In-Reply-To: References: <60a3ee28-71b8-7654-7719-dea3368b166d@embarqmail.com> <89e79b43-7198-71fc-0323-f89518de3ea7@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Ioannis, Back the CAL CUR down to 3.50. It may be that you will have Hi Cur messages if you turn the POWER knob to full clockwise, but if you set the power control at 100 watts, that message should not appear. If it does, check the connections from the power supply to the K2/KPA100. If the voltage at the K2 (observe with the K2 voltage display) drops significantly during keydown, that could explain the Hi Cur warnings. Tighten the power supply terminals and check to be certain the APP connector is properly assembled with the connector blades fully inserted. If you look at the end of the APP connector and can see the spring blades that normally lock the contact blade, the contact blade has not been fully inserted and will not make full contact (and cause a significant voltage drop). If you can increase your power supply voltage to 14.3 volts or above, you should increase the voltage. The K2 will operate with voltages up to 15 volts. For linearity and best transmit IMD, the higher the voltage, the better. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/24/2016 4:07 PM, Ioannis Kassotakis wrote: > Thanks Don, > I understand that the PS current reading is only for the Base K2. > I will rely on the bench PS display to read the 13.8 DC current. > I have already set the CAL CUR to 3.8 Amps so that I do not get HI CUR > alert at 10 Watts. > > 73, > Ioannis PA1EQP > > > On Sunday, 24 April 2016, Don Wilhelm > wrote: > > The current display on the K2 is only for the current used by the > base K2. I use it when testing the K2 for 'good health' and > normal RF Gain, but during operating I see no need to monitor it > on a regular basis. > The Base K2 will indicate Hi Cur if the current draw goes above > the value set by the CAL CUR parameter, and will reduce power if > that occurs. Should you continue to get Hi Cur messages, that is > an indication of something that should be investigated. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 4/24/2016 3:14 PM, Ioannis Kassotakis wrote: > > Thanks Don, > That means that at HI PWR (>11 Watts) should disregard the > displayed PS current figures. > I thought that KPA100 processor would communicate the I Sense > back to the MCU and display the correct current figure after > rescaling. I understand that is not the case. > > 73, > > Ioannis PA1EQP > > On Sunday, 24 April 2016, Don Wilhelm > wrote: > > Ioannis, > > The current display on the K2 indicates only the current > for the > base K2, not for the K2 and KPA100 combination. > That is why you set the CAL CUR to 3.50 amps even though the > KPA100 will draw much more current. > > Yes, the KPA100 does have a scaling on the amount of RF > voltage > that is being detected. That is used for power control > and has > nothing to do with the current displayed. The result of that > voltage is sent to the VRFDET signal in the K2 (Voltage of > the RF > Detected). > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > > > -- > Ioannis Kassotakis From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Apr 24 19:28:51 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:28:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PBSK31 In-Reply-To: <7fef3162-3fb1-018e-74bb-c89d97db865e@embarqmail.com> References: <000001d19de2$ffdf2980$ff9d7c80$@accesscomm.ca> <571D4258.30501@internode.on.net> <571D4753.2090804@socal.rr.com> <7fef3162-3fb1-018e-74bb-c89d97db865e@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <571D56B3.4050705@socal.rr.com> I've done all those mods to #380, Don. I didn't realize they were that effective! And after reading of thermal stability issues some have had in JT65 (e.g., using a KX3) I assumed the K2/10 would have even larger issues in those modes, given the age of the design. Your message is good news indeed! 73, Phil W7OX On 4/24/16 3:52 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Phil, > > I cannot say if David did anything special for > frequency stability, but any K2 above SN 3000 > had the BFO stability mod and the PLL > Temperature compensation mod installed which can > achieve the necessary stability. K2s below SN > 3000 can be upgraded with those upgrade kits. > > The stock PLL Temperature Stability Mod has > resistor RA as a 33k resistor. That resistor > value can be modified to achieve closer > temperature stability for any particular K2. > The K2 manual does not contain information about > how to vary and check the compensation, but that > information is contained in the instructions for > the PLL Temperature Stability Mod - download > from Elecraft. > > The temperature change in the K2/10 is not > likely to be very much even for long periods of > transmit because the PA transistors and heatsink > are not close to the VFO/PLL and BFO areas and > there is a lot of 'air space' inside the enclosure. > With the KPA100 added, that air space is much > more confined and the heat from the KPA100 PA > transistors will have an influence. > In other words, while the stock K2/10 may be > sufficiently stable, the K2/100 may need some > 'tweaking' of the RA resistor value for > equivalent stability. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 4/24/2016 6:23 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> David, >> >> Do you do anything special to ensure frequency >> stability in those modes with your K2? >> >> Phil W7OX >> >> On 4/24/16 3:02 PM, David Giles wrote: >>> I've made hundreds of contacts using JT65 and >>> JT9 with my K2 at 5W. Most of these portable >>> on a 12v battery with solar charging. With a >>> 48 second transmit period, it's probably more >>> of a stress test than BPSK31. >>> >>> 73 de David VK5DG / VK3TUN > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Apr 24 20:05:24 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 20:05:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PBSK31 In-Reply-To: <571D56B3.4050705@socal.rr.com> References: <000001d19de2$ffdf2980$ff9d7c80$@accesscomm.ca> <571D4258.30501@internode.on.net> <571D4753.2090804@socal.rr.com> <7fef3162-3fb1-018e-74bb-c89d97db865e@embarqmail.com> <571D56B3.4050705@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <62083315-a819-a0d3-e266-f18675ff8622@embarqmail.com> Phil and all, Yes, those mods can do a lot for temperature stability of the K2. Adjust the Thermistor board RA value if necessary to achieve the best stability. The KX3 can achieve good temperature stability if the Extended Temperature Compensation procedure is completed - I would not attempt any of the JT data modes without doing that first. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/24/2016 7:28 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > I've done all those mods to #380, Don. I didn't realize they were that > effective! And after reading of thermal stability issues some have > had in JT65 (e.g., using a KX3) I assumed the K2/10 would have even > larger issues in those modes, given the age of the design. > > Your message is good news indeed! > > 73, Phil W7OX > From n6kr at elecraft.com Sun Apr 24 20:42:48 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 17:42:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Poor band conditions? Try the SCAN function Message-ID: <191BC2E2-4FD6-4EC4-998E-A71E21ECF3D9@elecraft.com> Here in Northern California, at least at my QTH, the bands seem to be in very poor shape. (It doesn't help that my OCF dipole has one leg on the ground due to high winds.) At times like this, the SCAN function available on most Elecraft transceivers can help you find signals you might otherwise miss. SCAN does the work for you while you check your email, play chess, re-read The Lord of the Rings, shave, etc. When a signal pops up, scanning stops, and the receiver unmutes briefly so you can consider the signal's worthiness. As you'll discover, bands that were "dead" may not be, in reality. My favorite band for this sort of thing is 15 meters, in the late afternoon. A minute or two after starting a scan, you may hear DX appear from out of nowhere. For specific instructions for your rig, check the table of contents in the owner's manual. Here a few general tips: - use a narrow filter passband when possible, especially if the band is noisy - the tuning RATE in effect when scan starts determines how long it takes to scan the selected segment; finer-tuning slows things down, and may result in detection of weaker signals - if the band is noisy (QRN), the SCAN function may unmute too frequently; try using the noise blanker 73, Wayne N6KR From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 20:48:02 2016 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 18:48:02 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Poor band conditions? Try the SCAN function In-Reply-To: <191BC2E2-4FD6-4EC4-998E-A71E21ECF3D9@elecraft.com> References: <191BC2E2-4FD6-4EC4-998E-A71E21ECF3D9@elecraft.com> Message-ID: There was a large solar "event" a few days ago. (;-( 73 K0PP On Apr 24, 2016 6:44 PM, "Wayne Burdick" wrote: > Here in Northern California, at least at my QTH, the bands seem to be in > very poor shape. (It doesn't help that my OCF dipole has one leg on the > ground due to high winds.) > > At times like this, the SCAN function available on most Elecraft > transceivers can help you find signals you might otherwise miss. SCAN does > the work for you while you check your email, play chess, re-read The Lord > of the Rings, shave, etc. > > When a signal pops up, scanning stops, and the receiver unmutes briefly so > you can consider the signal's worthiness. As you'll discover, bands that > were "dead" may not be, in reality. My favorite band for this sort of thing > is 15 meters, in the late afternoon. A minute or two after starting a scan, > you may hear DX appear from out of nowhere. > > For specific instructions for your rig, check the table of contents in the > owner's manual. > > Here a few general tips: > > - use a narrow filter passband when possible, especially if the band is > noisy > > - the tuning RATE in effect when scan starts determines how long it takes > to scan the selected segment; finer-tuning slows things down, and may > result > in detection of weaker signals > > - if the band is noisy (QRN), the SCAN function may unmute too frequently; > try > using the noise blanker > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com > From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Apr 24 21:23:41 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 21:23:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Poor band conditions? Try the SCAN function In-Reply-To: <191BC2E2-4FD6-4EC4-998E-A71E21ECF3D9@elecraft.com> References: <191BC2E2-4FD6-4EC4-998E-A71E21ECF3D9@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <571D719D.16473.802CDDC@Gary.ka1j.com> The bands have indeed been in lousy shape lately; There was a SP RTTY contest on this weekend and I made two QSOs on 21 MHz, zero on 28 MHz and around 130 of them on 20M & 40M. Only three Q's on 80M. The bands were just lousy. While the bands just aren't good at all right now, thanks for the reminder of that excellent "search" feature. Thanks to the beauty of the P3, I use that to find where there's "life" on the bands but sans P3, the search is golden. 73, Gary KA1J > Here in Northern California, at least at my QTH, the bands seem to be in very poor shape. (It doesn't help that my OCF dipole has one leg on the ground due to high winds.) > > At times like this, the SCAN function available on most Elecraft transceivers can help you find signals you might otherwise miss. SCAN does the work for you while you check your email, play chess, re-read The Lord of the Rings, shave, etc. > > When a signal pops up, scanning stops, and the receiver unmutes briefly so you can consider the signal's worthiness. As you'll discover, bands that were "dead" may not be, in reality. My favorite band for this sort of thing is 15 meters, in the late afternoon. A minute or two after starting a scan, you may hear DX appear from out of nowhere. > > For specific instructions for your rig, check the table of contents in the owner's manual. > > Here a few general tips: > > - use a narrow filter passband when possible, especially if the band is noisy > > - the tuning RATE in effect when scan starts determines how long it takes > to scan the selected segment; finer-tuning slows things down, and may result > in detection of weaker signals > > - if the band is noisy (QRN), the SCAN function may unmute too frequently; try > using the noise blanker > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From pituionut at yahoo.com Sun Apr 24 22:44:10 2016 From: pituionut at yahoo.com (Ionut Pitu) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 02:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Main RX gone deaf In-Reply-To: <571D2420.7090900@dk5ya.de> References: <571D2420.7090900@dk5ya.de> Message-ID: <1954693402.1530061.1461552250618.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> GM Udo, What if you use your Rx IN port, is it the same thing?I've had the same problem a few weeks ago,almost no rx on ANT 1 or ANT2, normal rx on AUX-IN-SUB RX but normal rx on RX input from KXV3A and ?it turned out to be D26 from the RF board.Give it a try:-). Good luck! BobYO8RNI From: Udo Langenohl - DK5YA To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:53 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Main RX gone deaf Gentleman, I'm struggling with a Main RX vs. Sub RX issue. My Main RX is rather deaf compared to the Sub RX. I see at least 23.5dB attenuation between Main RX and Sub RX when comparing highly stable signals from my signal generator (HP8664A). This is only for ANT1/2 vs. AUX-IN! Example: -33dBm on 28.500 into AUX-IN (SUB RX): exactly 59 +40dB into ANT 1 (Main RX): 59 +15dB into ANT 2 (Main RX): 59 +15dB I've checked all the usual suspects (pin diodes): D1 and D5 on the KXV3A: o.k. Each and every pin diode on the SUB IN board: o.k. D5 on the Main RX board: o.k. This is a K3 #59xx with almost everything inside money can buy. My second K3 (serial #39xx) does not show this strange behavior. Main RX and SUB RX show exactly the same values on ANT1/2 and AUX IN. -33dBm is 59+40 on MAIN and SUB RX, no matter if Ant1, 2 or AUX IN. Any idea? I'm searching for weeks now and I'm close to give up. Udo, DK5YA -- ****************************************** Webs by DK5YA:? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? * http://www.mmmonvhf.de/ ? ? ? ? [editor]* http://www.vhfdx.de/ ? ? ? ? ? ? [owner] * http://www.palekastro.de/ ? ? ? [owner] * http://www.solweb.de/ ? ? ? ? ? [owner] * http://www.spessartwetter.de/ ? [owner] * ****************************************** ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pituionut at yahoo.com From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Sun Apr 24 23:42:22 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 20:42:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Poor band conditions? Try the SCAN function In-Reply-To: References: <191BC2E2-4FD6-4EC4-998E-A71E21ECF3D9@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1461555742385-7616639.post@n2.nabble.com> Yes, I use the scan function on both my K2's and my K3 and K3S. Next best thing to a panadapter available. One thing I have noticed about it on my K2 (and probably the K3 also), is it has two lengths of pauses - one which is just a few seconds and another about 30 secs or so. But which length of pause it uses on what type of signal it stops on seems a bit random. Sometimes it'll open up and pause on an actual CW signal for the short pause, but then the long 30 sec. pause on a continuous noise source. And sometimes the reverse. Not a complaint, though I wonder if there's a way to specify a pause time somewhere. forgive me if that's in the manual somewhere already... And yes the bands have been nearly dead lately. Practically nothing on 20M and up today, tho lots of stateside sigs on 30 and 40M.... DM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Poor-band-conditions-Try-the-SCAN-function-tp7616635p7616639.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Mon Apr 25 01:38:05 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 05:38:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Smaller SP3 for KX3 Message-ID: Hi Elecraft folks, To better inform my project list, is there a smaller version of the SP3 in the pipeline, sized to mach the KX3? Bruce From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Apr 25 01:40:33 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 22:40:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Smaller SP3 for KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bruce, I use the Chill Pills. Very compact, amplified, retractable cords, battery charged via a USB port, and decent sound, too. 73, Wayne N6KR On Apr 24, 2016, at 10:38 PM, Bruce Nourish wrote: > Hi Elecraft folks, > > To better inform my project list, is there a smaller version of the SP3 in > the pipeline, sized to mach the KX3? > > Bruce > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Apr 25 01:41:38 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 22:41:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Poor band conditions? Try the SCAN function In-Reply-To: <1461555742385-7616639.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <191BC2E2-4FD6-4EC4-998E-A71E21ECF3D9@elecraft.com> <1461555742385-7616639.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Apr 24, 2016, at 8:42 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: > Yes, I use the scan function on both my K2's and my K3 and K3S. Next best > thing to a panadapter available. > > One thing I have noticed about it on my K2 (and probably the K3 also), is it > has two lengths of pauses - one which is just a few seconds and another > about 30 secs or so. But which length of pause it uses on what type of > signal it stops on seems a bit random. Sometimes it'll open up and pause on > an actual CW signal for the short pause, but then the long 30 sec. pause on > a continuous noise source. And sometimes the reverse. I'll have a look at this when I get a chance. tnx Wayne N6KR From jkassot at ieee.org Mon Apr 25 01:43:28 2016 From: jkassot at ieee.org (Ioannis Kassotakis) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 07:43:28 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA/100 displays wrong PS current (much lower) In-Reply-To: References: <60a3ee28-71b8-7654-7719-dea3368b166d@embarqmail.com> <89e79b43-7198-71fc-0323-f89518de3ea7@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, I think that the voltage drops to 13 V or lower at key down. I will follow your advice. Thanks again. 73, Ioannis PA1EQP On Monday, 25 April 2016, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Ioannis, > > Back the CAL CUR down to 3.50. > It may be that you will have Hi Cur messages if you turn the POWER knob to > full clockwise, but if you set the power control at 100 watts, that message > should not appear. > > If it does, check the connections from the power supply to the K2/KPA100. > If the voltage at the K2 (observe with the K2 voltage display) drops > significantly during keydown, that could explain the Hi Cur warnings. > Tighten the power supply terminals and check to be certain the APP > connector is properly assembled with the connector blades fully inserted. > If you look at the end of the APP connector and can see the spring blades > that normally lock the contact blade, the contact blade has not been fully > inserted and will not make full contact (and cause a significant voltage > drop). > If you can increase your power supply voltage to 14.3 volts or above, you > should increase the voltage. The K2 will operate with voltages up to 15 > volts. For linearity and best transmit IMD, the higher the voltage, the > better. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 4/24/2016 4:07 PM, Ioannis Kassotakis wrote: > >> Thanks Don, >> I understand that the PS current reading is only for the Base K2. >> I will rely on the bench PS display to read the 13.8 DC current. >> I have already set the CAL CUR to 3.8 Amps so that I do not get HI CUR >> alert at 10 Watts. >> >> 73, >> Ioannis PA1EQP >> >> >> On Sunday, 24 April 2016, Don Wilhelm > donwilh at embarqmail.com>> wrote: >> >> The current display on the K2 is only for the current used by the >> base K2. I use it when testing the K2 for 'good health' and >> normal RF Gain, but during operating I see no need to monitor it >> on a regular basis. >> The Base K2 will indicate Hi Cur if the current draw goes above >> the value set by the CAL CUR parameter, and will reduce power if >> that occurs. Should you continue to get Hi Cur messages, that is >> an indication of something that should be investigated. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 4/24/2016 3:14 PM, Ioannis Kassotakis wrote: >> >> Thanks Don, >> That means that at HI PWR (>11 Watts) should disregard the >> displayed PS current figures. >> I thought that KPA100 processor would communicate the I Sense >> back to the MCU and display the correct current figure after >> rescaling. I understand that is not the case. >> >> 73, >> >> Ioannis PA1EQP >> >> On Sunday, 24 April 2016, Don Wilhelm > > wrote: >> >> Ioannis, >> >> The current display on the K2 indicates only the current >> for the >> base K2, not for the K2 and KPA100 combination. >> That is why you set the CAL CUR to 3.50 amps even though the >> KPA100 will draw much more current. >> >> Yes, the KPA100 does have a scaling on the amount of RF >> voltage >> that is being detected. That is used for power control >> and has >> nothing to do with the current displayed. The result of that >> voltage is sent to the VRFDET signal in the K2 (Voltage of >> the RF >> Detected). >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ioannis Kassotakis >> > > -- Ioannis Kassotakis From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Mon Apr 25 03:36:03 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 07:36:03 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Smaller SP3 for KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's what I needed to know. Thanks! On Sun, Apr 24, 2016, 22:40 Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Bruce, > > I use the Chill Pills. Very compact, amplified, retractable cords, battery > charged via a USB port, and decent sound, too. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 10:38 PM, Bruce Nourish wrote: > > > Hi Elecraft folks, > > > > To better inform my project list, is there a smaller version of the SP3 > in > > the pipeline, sized to mach the KX3? > > > > Bruce > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > From bajubranston at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 25 05:26:25 2016 From: bajubranston at ntlworld.com (Barry Middleton) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 09:26:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [elecraft] KXPA100 KXATU PX3 Message-ID: <571DE2C1.2050709@ntlworld.com> At long last I have got round to assembling my KXPA100, KX3ATU and the PX3. The only slight problem that I had was with the PX3 as 79 year old fingers don't work as good as they use to. However after a thorough check to make sure all was correct, I connected it all up, power on and all worked fine. I would like to thank the Elecraft team for a firt class product and the help that is available on this reflector. 73 de Barry G4DBS From joel.b.black at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 05:54:26 2016 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 04:54:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] More Macro Buttons Message-ID: <09D02C5D-5043-4044-AE69-587B6DA60754@gmail.com> I wonder if it would be feasible to have more macro buttons in a future F/W release. Perhaps using the one of the PF buttons to put the radio into ?macro? mode and use the number buttons for the macros? Just a thought. Don?t know if it?s possible or not. 73, Joel - W4JBB From n1eu.barry at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 07:27:23 2016 From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 07:27:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Msg send Message-ID: After spending 7 hours operating in QRPTTF on Saturday with my KX3, I wish for 2 things: 1. Single button press to send cw message instead of two 2. When in message repeat mode, allow for a single paddle dit to silently terminate repeat mode (without actually transmitting or generating sidetone). This would allow you to copy someone answering your CQ without missing a beat. 73, Barry N1EU From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 25 08:21:46 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 13:21:46 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Msg send In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9246A12E-8FFA-45D7-A1B1-97018048491E@yahoo.co.uk> Barry, You can set the KX3 up for single button message send. * FAST MESSAGE PLAY: A long-hold of MSG (~3 sec) puts the KX3 into FAST PLAY mode. In this mode, the BAND+, BAND-, and FREQ_ENT switches can be used to play/repeat messages 1, 2, and 3 immediately, without the need to first tap MSG. To turn off fast play, hold MSG for ~3 seconds again, or turn the KX3 off and back on. Notes: (1) In voice modes (using the built-in DVR), only messages 1 and 2 are available, corresponding to BAND+ and BAND- in fast-play. (2) At present, message chaining is only available in CW modes (with both normal and fast-play). 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 25 Apr 2016, at 12:27, Barry N1EU wrote: > > After spending 7 hours operating in QRPTTF on Saturday with my KX3, I wish > for 2 things: > > 1. Single button press to send cw message instead of two > 2. When in message repeat mode, allow for a single paddle dit to silently > terminate repeat mode (without actually transmitting or generating > sidetone). This would allow you to copy someone answering your CQ without > missing a beat. > > 73, Barry N1EU > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From dl1sdz at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 08:40:20 2016 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 14:40:20 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Msg send In-Reply-To: <9246A12E-8FFA-45D7-A1B1-97018048491E@yahoo.co.uk> References: <9246A12E-8FFA-45D7-A1B1-97018048491E@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi, and in addition: With the Px3 you can program 8 messages with one push of a button. 73 de Hajo Gruss Hajo --- Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 2:21 PM, David Anderson via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Barry, > > You can set the KX3 up for single button message send. > > * FAST MESSAGE PLAY: A long-hold of MSG (~3 sec) puts the KX3 into FAST > PLAY mode. In this mode, the BAND+, BAND-, and FREQ_ENT switches can be > used to play/repeat messages 1, 2, and 3 immediately, without the need to > first tap MSG. To turn off fast play, hold MSG for ~3 seconds again, or > turn the KX3 off and back on. Notes: (1) In voice modes (using the built-in > DVR), only messages 1 and 2 are available, corresponding to BAND+ and BAND- > in fast-play. (2) At present, message chaining is only available in CW > modes (with both normal and fast-play). > > > > > 73 from David GM4JJJ > > > On 25 Apr 2016, at 12:27, Barry N1EU wrote: > > > > After spending 7 hours operating in QRPTTF on Saturday with my KX3, I > wish > > for 2 things: > > > > 1. Single button press to send cw message instead of two > > 2. When in message repeat mode, allow for a single paddle dit to silently > > terminate repeat mode (without actually transmitting or generating > > sidetone). This would allow you to copy someone answering your CQ > without > > missing a beat. > > > > 73, Barry N1EU > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dl1sdz at gmail.com > From heinz.baertschi at bluewin.ch Mon Apr 25 08:52:48 2016 From: heinz.baertschi at bluewin.ch (=?utf-8?Q?Heinz_B=C3=A4rtschi?=) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 14:52:48 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Msg send In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <25EF7127-B1A9-4942-A626-DF9C6D2825AC@bluewin.ch> I would rather prefer a KX-Pod - no-compromise single button functions - without a tuning knob - attachable in place of the KXPD3 - very lightweight (e.g. for SOTA) - using a control cable to ACCx Have you ever thought of such a thing, Wayne? 73 tks, Heinz HB9BCB > Am 25.04.2016 um 13:27 schrieb Barry N1EU : > > After spending 7 hours operating in QRPTTF on Saturday with my KX3, I wish > for 2 things: > > 1. Single button press to send cw message instead of two > 2. When in message repeat mode, allow for a single paddle dit to silently > terminate repeat mode (without actually transmitting or generating > sidetone). This would allow you to copy someone answering your CQ without > missing a beat. From pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl Mon Apr 25 09:56:57 2016 From: pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl (William Lagerberg) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:56:57 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Building K2 SSB unit KSB2 version E In-Reply-To: <4ff7f26b-a5d8-9771-2169-04933eff6655@embarqmail.com> References: <00a901d19e47$81897170$849c5450$@zendamateur.nl> <4ff7f26b-a5d8-9771-2169-04933eff6655@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <0099D0BA-D18B-47A7-ABED-E6A768DB2487@zendamateur.nl> Thanks Don, I reversed the connectors, female = female and male = male now. For everybody when you desolder the connectors used in the K2 for the SSB board for example, the pins are getting lose in the plastic by the mail connectors, take care that they get the same hight when u use them again?. My advice remove them and take new one?s its not the money :-)) Regards William PE1BSB > On 24 Apr 2016, at 20:09, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > William, > > I hate it when a builder does that and then I have to repair it later in its life - only because the bypass jumpers I have should I need to remove the KSB2 for test purposes do not work. > > Other than that aspect, it will cause no operational problems. > There is a greater chance of the male pins to become bent if they are on the RF board, and if they should, they are harder to straighten than male pins on the option board. > > If you have *good* desoldering equipment available, I would change them, but lacking that, leave them as-is. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 4/24/2016 12:36 PM, William at zendamateur.nl wrote: >> Hi every body, >> >> >> Posted some messages, and love the way the list works. >> >> Sorry about my English last message was just thinking on paper and that >> ended in some comments :) >> >> >> I bought the K2 ? already build, looked good so I took the risk? >> >> >> Now wat I noticed having finished today the RF board, is that the previous >> builder reversed the connectors J9 J10 and J11 he installed the mail side on >> the RF board, and the female on the KSB2 board. >> >> >> I don?t think there will be a divergence. >> >> > From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Apr 25 10:55:57 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 07:55:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Message-ID: Rob has added the IC-7851, IC-7300, and IC-9100 to his table: http://www.sherweng.com/table.html 73, Wayne N6KR From pubx1 at af2z.net Mon Apr 25 11:04:06 2016 From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 11:04:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Poor band conditions? Try the SCAN function In-Reply-To: <1461555742385-7616639.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <191BC2E2-4FD6-4EC4-998E-A71E21ECF3D9@elecraft.com> <1461555742385-7616639.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <571E31E6.2090808@af2z.net> I also have often thought that a user settable pause time would be most useful. I usually scan when I'm doing other things around the shack (or in another room), not sitting right in front of the rig watching the scan. 73, Drew AF2Z On 04/24/16 23:42, lstavenhagen wrote: > Yes, I use the scan function on both my K2's and my K3 and K3S. Next best > thing to a panadapter available. > > One thing I have noticed about it on my K2 (and probably the K3 also), is it > has two lengths of pauses - one which is just a few seconds and another > about 30 secs or so. But which length of pause it uses on what type of > signal it stops on seems a bit random. Sometimes it'll open up and pause on > an actual CW signal for the short pause, but then the long 30 sec. pause on > a continuous noise source. And sometimes the reverse. > > Not a complaint, though I wonder if there's a way to specify a pause time > somewhere. forgive me if that's in the manual somewhere already... > > And yes the bands have been nearly dead lately. Practically nothing on 20M > and up today, tho lots of stateside sigs on 30 and 40M.... > > DM > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Poor-band-conditions-Try-the-SCAN-function-tp7616635p7616639.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pubx1 at af2z.net > From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Apr 25 11:15:20 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:15:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [elecraft] KXPA100 KXATU PX3 In-Reply-To: <571DE2C1.2050709@ntlworld.com> References: <571DE2C1.2050709@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: Congratulations, Barry. We should all be so dextrous at 79! 73, Wayne N6KR On Apr 25, 2016, at 2:26 AM, Barry Middleton wrote: > At long last I have got round to assembling my KXPA100, KX3ATU and the PX3. The only slight problem that I had was with the PX3 as 79 year old fingers don't work as good as they use to. However after a thorough check to make sure all was correct, I connected it all up, power on and all worked fine. I would like to thank the Elecraft team for a firt class product and the help that is available on this reflector. > > 73 de Barry G4DBS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From nick-wa5bdu at suddenlink.net Mon Apr 25 11:21:38 2016 From: nick-wa5bdu at suddenlink.net (Nick Kennedy) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:21:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Msg send In-Reply-To: <9246A12E-8FFA-45D7-A1B1-97018048491E@yahoo.co.uk> References: <9246A12E-8FFA-45D7-A1B1-97018048491E@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <31823780E9B7446D8DC9F0A8DFB8D3A4@blackmike> Yes, FAST PLAY is great. I used it on QRPTTF. Barry's request #2 is high on my list too. For K3 and KX3. Repeating: > 2. When in message repeat mode, allow for a single paddle dit to silently > terminate repeat mode (without actually transmitting or generating > sidetone). This would allow you to copy someone answering your CQ without > missing a beat. > On 25 Apr 2016, at 12:27, Barry N1EU wrote: From pubx1 at af2z.net Mon Apr 25 11:31:59 2016 From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 11:31:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Poor band conditions? Try the SCAN function In-Reply-To: <191BC2E2-4FD6-4EC4-998E-A71E21ECF3D9@elecraft.com> References: <191BC2E2-4FD6-4EC4-998E-A71E21ECF3D9@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <571E386F.6090002@af2z.net> From time to time I set up a wireless intercom/camera ("baby cam") in front of the K3 while scanning. Then I can monitor the action remotely down in the workshop or while working out, fixing dinner, etc. (Now, if I only had a wireless remote control to fully operate the K3's receiver...) 73, Drew AF2Z On 04/24/16 20:42, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Here in Northern California, at least at my QTH, the bands seem to be in very poor shape. (It doesn't help that my OCF dipole has one leg on the ground due to high winds.) > > At times like this, the SCAN function available on most Elecraft transceivers can help you find signals you might otherwise miss. SCAN does the work for you while you check your email, play chess, re-read The Lord of the Rings, shave, etc. > > When a signal pops up, scanning stops, and the receiver unmutes briefly so you can consider the signal's worthiness. As you'll discover, bands that were "dead" may not be, in reality. My favorite band for this sort of thing is 15 meters, in the late afternoon. A minute or two after starting a scan, you may hear DX appear from out of nowhere. > > For specific instructions for your rig, check the table of contents in the owner's manual. > > Here a few general tips: > > - use a narrow filter passband when possible, especially if the band is noisy > > - the tuning RATE in effect when scan starts determines how long it takes > to scan the selected segment; finer-tuning slows things down, and may result > in detection of weaker signals > > - if the band is noisy (QRN), the SCAN function may unmute too frequently; try > using the noise blanker > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk Mon Apr 25 11:52:00 2016 From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham g3tct) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:52:00 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Main RX gone deaf In-Reply-To: <571D2420.7090900@dk5ya.de> References: <571D2420.7090900@dk5ya.de> Message-ID: <571E3D20.2000303@g3tct.co.uk> Hi Udo Before you start tearing the rig apart, two ideas:- -is there a big difference for weak signals of say S4? -if not, it may just be the S meter calibration that needs attention. -if so, preamp on for either? Att on for main? HTH Graham On 19:59, Udo Langenohl - DK5YA wrote: > Gentleman, > > I'm struggling with a Main RX vs. Sub RX issue. My Main RX is rather > deaf compared to the Sub RX. I see at least 23.5dB attenuation between > Main RX and Sub RX when comparing highly stable signals from my signal > generator (HP8664A). This is only for ANT1/2 vs. AUX-IN! > Example: > -33dBm on 28.500 > into AUX-IN (SUB RX): exactly 59 +40dB > into ANT 1 (Main RX): 59 +15dB > into ANT 2 (Main RX): 59 +15dB > > I've checked all the usual suspects (pin diodes): > D1 and D5 on the KXV3A: o.k. > Each and every pin diode on the SUB IN board: o.k. > D5 on the Main RX board: o.k. > > This is a K3 #59xx with almost everything inside money can buy. > > My second K3 (serial #39xx) does not show this strange behavior. Main > RX and SUB RX show exactly the same values on ANT1/2 and AUX IN. > -33dBm is 59+40 on MAIN and SUB RX, no matter if Ant1, 2 or AUX IN. > > Any idea? I'm searching for weeks now and I'm close to give up. > > Udo, DK5YA From n9tf at comcast.net Mon Apr 25 12:08:52 2016 From: n9tf at comcast.net (n9tf at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1560587514.16545646.1461600532776.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> :) Best darn investment I ever made on a ham radio! Keep the hits coming Elecraft! ? 73 Gene, N9TF K3S 10057 P3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Burdick" To: "elecraft" Cc: KX3 at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:55:57 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Rob has added the IC-7851, IC-7300, and IC-9100 to his table: ? ?? ?http://www.sherweng.com/table.html 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n9tf at comcast.net From lists at subich.com Mon Apr 25 14:55:35 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 14:55:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> Very interesting ... pretty good performance from the IC-7300 for an "entry level radio." On the other hand, the IC-9100 should be better than "mid pack" given it's recent design and price - it's even *worse* (both IMD and LO Noise) that that paragon of "high performance," the IC-706mkIIg! 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/25/2016 10:55 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Rob has added the IC-7851, IC-7300, and IC-9100 to his table: > > http://www.sherweng.com/table.html > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Apr 25 15:35:53 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 12:35:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> Message-ID: A quick Google shows a number of reputable dealers selling the IC-7300 for $1500. It has an impressive set of features including a bandscope, 100W, and a tuner. Compare that with a KX3 at $1850 -- $1250 for radio and tuner plus $600 for the PX3. You can save $200 by getting the kits. With the KX3/PX3 you get better specs, more portability, and PSK31/63 encode/decode[1]. But you only get 10 or so watts. Going to 100W will add $1180 (minus $50 for the kit), putting the KX3 system into an entirely different price category. 73 Bill AE6JV [1] I just did a quick eyeball differences test on the features. I well may have missed somethings of real importance. On 4/25/16 at 11:55 AM, lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) wrote: >Very interesting ... pretty good performance from the IC-7300 for an >"entry level radio." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |"We used to quip that "password" is the most common 408-356-8506 | password. Now it's 'password1.' Who said users haven't www.pwpconsult.com | learned anything about security?" -- Bruce Schneier From sales at elecraft.com Mon Apr 25 15:39:35 2016 From: sales at elecraft.com (Lisa Jones - Elecraft Sales) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 12:39:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Booth Help Message-ID: <571E7277.7040103@elecraft.com> Elecraft will once again be showing at the Dayton Hamvention, May 20, 21, and 22, 2016. Thank you to those of you who have already volunteered to help in the booth during the Hamvention this year. We can always use more help, so if you have a few hours to help out during any one of the 3 days, we would be very grateful. Please email madelyn at elecraft.com directly if you are interested and let her know when you would be able to join us in the booth. Thank you for your consideration. Lisa -- Lisa Jones Elecraft, Inc. (831) 763-4211 From n1eu.barry at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 15:57:04 2016 From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 19:57:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: fwiw, 3 issues concern me about the 7300: 1. Some IC7300 recordings I've downloaded indicated very low AGC Threshold and limited audio dynamic range. There's no control over threshold and slope. I haven't read about any seasoned users fiddling with gain settings to try and milk more audio dynamic range and higher threshold out of the 7300. 2. Reports are that something is "broken" with the IP+ implementation - noise floor increases greatly. And without IP+, DR is limited as the sherweng.com table shows. My understanding is that IP+ use is sometimes necessary to avoid OVF (ADC overflow). This is a 14-bit ADC. 3. There still seems to be discussion on whether or not the 7300 can produce power spikes in ssb Looks like a good first effort in direct sampling design from Icom. I'll wait for their second try. 73, Barry N1EU On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Rob has added the IC-7851, IC-7300, and IC-9100 to his table: > > http://www.sherweng.com/table.html > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1eu.barry at gmail.com > From dk5ya at dk5ya.de Mon Apr 25 16:02:37 2016 From: dk5ya at dk5ya.de (Udo Langenohl - DK5YA) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:02:37 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Main RX gone deaf In-Reply-To: References: <571D2420.7090900@dk5ya.de> <571E3D20.2000303@g3tct.co.uk> Message-ID: <571E77DD.4090005@dk5ya.de> Gentleman, thanks for all so many replies. Will try to check all ideas tomorrow, XYL permitting ... ;-). 73 Udo, DK5YA P.S.: The issue occurs at the RX IN and TVTR IN ports of the KXV3A too. Am 25.04.2016 um 17:57 schrieb Jerry: > Reseat the internal coax jumpers in the surf signal path. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 25, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Graham g3tct wrote: >> >> Hi Udo >> Before you start tearing the rig apart, two ideas:- >> >> -is there a big difference for weak signals of say S4? >> -if not, it may just be the S meter calibration that needs attention. >> -if so, preamp on for either? Att on for main? >> >> HTH >> Graham >> >>> On 19:59, Udo Langenohl - DK5YA wrote: >>> Gentleman, >>> >>> I'm struggling with a Main RX vs. Sub RX issue. My Main RX is rather deaf compared to the Sub RX. I see at least 23.5dB attenuation between Main RX and Sub RX when comparing highly stable signals from my signal generator (HP8664A). This is only for ANT1/2 vs. AUX-IN! >>> Example: >>> -33dBm on 28.500 >>> into AUX-IN (SUB RX): exactly 59 +40dB >>> into ANT 1 (Main RX): 59 +15dB >>> into ANT 2 (Main RX): 59 +15dB >>> >>> I've checked all the usual suspects (pin diodes): >>> D1 and D5 on the KXV3A: o.k. >>> Each and every pin diode on the SUB IN board: o.k. >>> D5 on the Main RX board: o.k. >>> >>> This is a K3 #59xx with almost everything inside money can buy. >>> >>> My second K3 (serial #39xx) does not show this strange behavior. Main RX and SUB RX show exactly the same values on ANT1/2 and AUX IN. -33dBm is 59+40 on MAIN and SUB RX, no matter if Ant1, 2 or AUX IN. >>> >>> Any idea? I'm searching for weeks now and I'm close to give up. >>> >>> Udo, DK5YA >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com > > -- ****************************************** Webs by DK5YA: * http://www.mmmonvhf.de/ [editor]* http://www.vhfdx.de/ [owner] * http://www.palekastro.de/ [owner] * http://www.solweb.de/ [owner] * http://www.spessartwetter.de/ [owner] * ****************************************** From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Mon Apr 25 16:34:44 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 13:34:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> Message-ID: <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> Wow, looks like Icom finally made a radio with performance close to the humble K3S and K3 + new synth.... but also looks like you really got to pay 'em for finally doing it, at nearly 13 grand for the 7851! But the 7300 looks actually pretty decent performance-wise, so interesting surprise at that price point. 73, LS W5QD -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sherwood-s-receiver-performance-table-updated-tp7616652p7616664.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nq5t at tx.rr.com Mon Apr 25 16:44:18 2016 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:44:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6FE11DFD-9DF4-4C5F-8E31-AC34B6F2A411@tx.rr.com> I think your comparison misses the entire point of the KX3. But in any case, you?re welcome to the 7300 I won?t be purchasing or throwing (all 10 lbs of it plus batteries) into my backpack for a walk to the park ? :-) Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > > > A quick Google shows a number of reputable dealers selling the IC-7300 for $1500. It has an impressive set of features including a bandscope, 100W, and a tuner. > > Compare that with a KX3 at $1850 -- $1250 for radio and tuner plus $600 for the PX3. You can save $200 by getting the kits. With the KX3/PX3 you get better specs, more portability, and PSK31/63 encode/decode[1]. But you only get 10 or so watts. Going to 100W will add $1180 (minus $50 for the kit), putting the KX3 system into an entirely different price category. > From k6ll.dave at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 16:44:47 2016 From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 13:44:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> Message-ID: <18979FC727824A27A204A4CFCE92FE2D@Toshiba> It's interesting that the 7300's ranking in the table is because of its 94 dB Dynamic Range at 2 KHz spacing. But the footnotes indicate that this dynamic range is with AP+ turned ON. With AP+ ON, minimum detectable signal is degraded by 11 dB. With AP+ OFF, as generally recommended in the footnotes, 2 KHz dynamic range is only 81 dB, which would place the 7300 considerably lower in the table, but still pretty good. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:55 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Very interesting ... pretty good performance from the IC-7300 for an "entry level radio." On the other hand, the IC-9100 should be better than "mid pack" given it's recent design and price - it's even *worse* (both IMD and LO Noise) that that paragon of "high performance," the IC-706mkIIg! 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/25/2016 10:55 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Rob has added the IC-7851, IC-7300, and IC-9100 to his table: > > http://www.sherweng.com/table.html > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6ll.dave at gmail.com From wa6nhc at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 16:55:43 2016 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 13:55:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <18979FC727824A27A204A4CFCE92FE2D@Toshiba> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <18979FC727824A27A204A4CFCE92FE2D@Toshiba> Message-ID: <571E844F.7090205@gmail.com> This is interesting to follow but well above my full understanding... But how do we come up with a common standard between the two types of radios (although I expect direct sample to improve to a point to become common)? Further from Rob (since we're off topic here): -=-=-=-=-=- How to rank direct-sampling SDR radios is a real can of worms. If you look at the review in the May QST of the Elad DUO, you will see the only dynamic-range data is listed as ?Best Case?. There is no ?typical case? or ?worst case? data, and the ?best case? dynamic range (DR3) of 99 dB was obtained with a third strong ?incidental dither? signal. That strong ?incidental dither? signal may or may not be there when you need it. In the case of the 7300, on the lower bands, 160 ? 40 meters, the increased noise floor caused by enabling IP+ would not be an issue. Nighttime 40 meter band noise is about -100 dBm, and the noise floor of the 7300 with IP+ ON is about -122 dBm. If 40-meter AM broadcast stations above 7200 are stressing the radio, IP+ will be a good solution. On the other hand, if one is on 15, 12, 10 or 6 meters, the noise floor of the radio with IP+ ON may be about equal to band noise in a rural environment. All bets are off in an urban environment, due to all the local RFI. In some cases on the higher HF bands, receiver noise will be higher than band noise with IP+. That is why I made the caution to not just turn IP+ ON and leave it there. Of course in a foot note I don?t have unlimited space to explain all this. The dynamic-range data is all there, IP+ both ON and OFF. It is similar to my KX3 data and footnotes. The dynamic range is high, but because the opposite sideband rejection is limited to about 65 dB, in some cases that limitation will dominate. Thus three values of dynamic range are in the table, explained by the foot notes. The same concern can be lodged about the original K3 data where dynamic range (DR3) is listed as 101, 96 and 95 dB, with foot notes. The DR3 due to RMDR is higher with a 200-Hz bandwidth than with a 500-Hz bandwidth. In effect the radio is ranked assuming one is operating the radio in its best configuration. One other note, even though the close-in dynamic range data is mainly applicable to CW operation due to the narrower transmitted bandwidth of CW stations, an SSB only operator may assume that level of performance applies to him, too. In reality on SSB, transmitted IMD splatter of an adjacent channel signal (3 kHz away) is usually the limit in copy of a weak station. The radio is rarely the limit in this case, as splatter is usually worse than the dynamic range of the radio. -=-=-=-=- And later... -=-=-=-=-=-=- No, IP+ is not an attenuator. It enables ?dither? and ?random? on the ADC chip. The Apache ANAN series also has dither and random as an option, but in the case of newer ANAN-200D transceivers, the noise floor is not degraded. Older 100D and 200D units did have an 11 to 13 dB noise floor degradations. Clarity is important, so thanks for the chance to expand on this issue. 73, Rob, NC0B -=-=-=- Rick nhc On 4/25/2016 1:44 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote: > It's interesting that the 7300's ranking in the table is because of > its 94 dB Dynamic Range at 2 KHz spacing. But the footnotes indicate > that this dynamic range is with AP+ turned ON. With AP+ ON, minimum > detectable signal is degraded by 11 dB. > > With AP+ OFF, as generally recommended in the footnotes, 2 KHz dynamic > range is only 81 dB, which would place the 7300 considerably lower in > the table, but still pretty good. > > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL > Yuma, AZ From gerry at w1ve.com Mon Apr 25 17:04:27 2016 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 17:04:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Discover the HF Experience at ARRL Expo in Dayton Message-ID: Hello fellow Elecraftians (or is it Elecraftors?), I have been on a crusade to introduce new hamsto HF. We just finished our "beta" events in Winnipeg, MB and Framingham, MA... The idea is teach non-hams/new hams about HF, and let them experience some QSOs. We all did it as youngsters at Field Day... Well, this is pretty darn easy to do -- at a club meeting or convention -- via remote. No dealing with compromise antennas. So, this year at Dayton, we will have four HF Stations set up (using remotes).. Three are K3/0 Minis, and we we will have one Flex Maestro. We hope that newbies/non-HF ops/non-licensed folks will stop by and make a QSO or two. I have an online reservation system at http://hfradio.rocks. If you know someone who would like to give it a go, and they are coming to Dayton, have them sign up. We have a bunch of ops lined up to staff the stations, as Elmers. If you want to spend an hour or so helping us out, please email me of list to gerry at w1ve.com. Where will be be connecting? Some pretty nice stations! W7RN W1KM VE4EA VY1AAA SK3W K1TTT K9CT We will be operating mainly SSB, but will do some RTTY and CW if anyone asks. (and yes, we do have a good, wired, internet connection.) The remote-side gear is being provided by private hams who are part of this event. Bob Heil is supplying us with headsets. Stop by and say hello or offer your help! 73, Gerry Hull, W1VE/VE1RM From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Apr 25 17:16:05 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 14:16:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <6FE11DFD-9DF4-4C5F-8E31-AC34B6F2A411@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: I have no plans to replace my KX3/PX3 with a IC-7300. But I still don't have 100W for it. At home, I use my K3/100 and on the road I'm QRP. 73 Bill AE6JV On 4/25/16 at 1:44 PM, nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) wrote: >I think your comparison misses the entire point of the KX3. >But in any case, you?re welcome to the 7300 I won?t be >purchasing or throwing (all 10 lbs of it plus batteries) into >my backpack for a walk to the park ? :-) > >Grant NQ5T >K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > >> >> >>A quick Google shows a number of reputable dealers selling the IC-7300 for $1500. It has an >impressive set of features including a bandscope, 100W, and a tuner. >> >>Compare that with a KX3 at $1850 -- $1250 for radio and tuner plus $600 for the PX3. You can save >$200 by getting the kits. With the KX3/PX3 you get better >specs, more portability, and PSK31/63 encode/decode[1]. But you >only get 10 or so watts. Going to 100W will add $1180 (minus >$50 for the kit), putting the KX3 system into an entirely >different price category. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From nc3z at outlook.com Mon Apr 25 17:21:58 2016 From: nc3z at outlook.com (NC3Z Gary) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 21:21:58 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: True a fully kitted KX3 station will be about $3000, but the KX3 is really a different animal. There is a lot of flexibility with a KX3 station. For emergency power operation the KX3 draws a lot less power on receive. One key feature is Elecraft themselves, somewhat regular firmware (and hardware) updates that improve performance and add features, and all this on a product that may be several years old. Other radio manufacturers are notorious for not providing updates after a relatively short period of time. Gary Mitchelson NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15 On 25-Apr-16 15:35, Bill Frantz wrote: > > Compare that with a KX3 at $1850 -- $1250 for radio and tuner plus $600 > for the PX3. You can save $200 by getting the kits. With the KX3/PX3 you > get better specs, more portability, and PSK31/63 encode/decode[1]. But > you only get 10 or so watts. Going to 100W will add $1180 (minus $50 for > the kit), putting the KX3 system into an entirely different price category. > From lists at subich.com Mon Apr 25 17:30:02 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 17:30:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <18979FC727824A27A204A4CFCE92FE2D@Toshiba> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <18979FC727824A27A204A4CFCE92FE2D@Toshiba> Message-ID: On 4/25/2016 4:44 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote: > It's interesting that the 7300's ranking in the table is because of its > 94 dB Dynamic Range at 2 KHz spacing. But the footnotes indicate that > this dynamic range is with AP+ turned ON. With AP+ ON, minimum > detectable signal is degraded by 11 dB. That's true of *every* direct sampling SDR in the list. That's the "dirty little secret" of direct sampling SDRs ... in order to maintain that "pristine" IMD DR the "total signal level" or instantaneous peak voltage at the ADC must stay below the clipping/overflow level. Look at the ARRL review of the Flex 6700 and 6300 ... compare their MDS with the preamps on and preamps off, then look at the IMD DR with the preamps on and off (where the data is available). Even for the Flex, MDS is degraded by 10 to 15 dB in order to maintain the full dynamic range (not much different than the 7300). Direct sampling disciples will claim the MDS reduction is not a problem but try running one of their radios within a couple miles of an AM station with "slice receivers" on more than one amateur band (so the preselector/bandpass filters are bypassed). 73, ... Joe, W4TV > > With AP+ OFF, as generally recommended in the footnotes, 2 KHz dynamic > range is only 81 dB, which would place the 7300 considerably lower in > the table, but still pretty good. > > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL > Yuma, AZ > > > -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:55 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated > > > Very interesting ... pretty good performance from the IC-7300 for an > "entry level radio." On the other hand, the IC-9100 should be better > than "mid pack" given it's recent design and price - it's even *worse* > (both IMD and LO Noise) that that paragon of "high performance," the > IC-706mkIIg! > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > On 4/25/2016 10:55 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Rob has added the IC-7851, IC-7300, and IC-9100 to his table: >> >> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6ll.dave at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From larrydwarner at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 17:42:32 2016 From: larrydwarner at gmail.com (Larry D. Warner) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 14:42:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Memory Question Message-ID: <043301d19f3b$5f8f78e0$1eae6aa0$@gmail.com> I have asked support at elecraft.com this question more than once and have not received an answer. Maybe the group knows. When I save a frequency to memory in my KX3, what all is saved? Is it just the band and the frequency or do all the other settings get saved into memory as well? There are so many settings on the KX3 and it is so versatile I would hope that most of the settings are saved. Regards, Larry KG7ZSB You cannot live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you. -- John Wooden From wb4jfi at knology.net Mon Apr 25 18:17:48 2016 From: wb4jfi at knology.net (wb4jfi at knology.net) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 18:17:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com><18979FC727824A27A204A4CFCE92FE2D@Toshiba> Message-ID: <4731C69900124A428CEBDEEAE2EE542A@tfoxserver3> While I don't disagree with the possibility of your first paragraph Joe, your third one doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Firstly, the K3/K3S (without the second receiver) cannot be on more than ONE amateur band at a time. So, why create an artificial "test" that the typical K3 can't even do? I believe that most K3/K3S out there don't have the second receiver. Plus, the K3/K3S cannot listen to three (or more) bands at once, which the 6500 and 6700 can. Secondly, I wonder how good the K3/K3S would be if you also pulled their front-end filtering? I'm still very much an Elecraft fan with both a K3 and a KX3, so I'm not disparaging the Elecraft equipment at all. I LOVE THEM! I just want apples vs apples, please. BTW, I have an AM station within a couple of miles - directly line-of-sight down the river, and I don't see this alleged problem at all. But, I'm only using dipoles, a Steppir vertical, or a 50-ohm resistor for antennas. Hi Hi. I do see this problem with several 8- or 12-bit SDR designs without high-pass filtering, but with a filter, it goes away. 14-bit ADCs aren't showing this problem here, even without the HPF. 73, Terry, N4TLF -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 5:30 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated On 4/25/2016 4:44 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote: > It's interesting that the 7300's ranking in the table is because of its > 94 dB Dynamic Range at 2 KHz spacing. But the footnotes indicate that > this dynamic range is with AP+ turned ON. With AP+ ON, minimum > detectable signal is degraded by 11 dB. That's true of *every* direct sampling SDR in the list. That's the "dirty little secret" of direct sampling SDRs ... in order to maintain that "pristine" IMD DR the "total signal level" or instantaneous peak voltage at the ADC must stay below the clipping/overflow level. Look at the ARRL review of the Flex 6700 and 6300 ... compare their MDS with the preamps on and preamps off, then look at the IMD DR with the preamps on and off (where the data is available). Even for the Flex, MDS is degraded by 10 to 15 dB in order to maintain the full dynamic range (not much different than the 7300). Direct sampling disciples will claim the MDS reduction is not a problem but try running one of their radios within a couple miles of an AM station with "slice receivers" on more than one amateur band (so the preselector/bandpass filters are bypassed). 73, ... Joe, W4TV > > With AP+ OFF, as generally recommended in the footnotes, 2 KHz dynamic > range is only 81 dB, which would place the 7300 considerably lower in > the table, but still pretty good. > > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL > Yuma, AZ > > > -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:55 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated > > > Very interesting ... pretty good performance from the IC-7300 for an > "entry level radio." On the other hand, the IC-9100 should be better > than "mid pack" given it's recent design and price - it's even *worse* > (both IMD and LO Noise) that that paragon of "high performance," the > IC-706mkIIg! > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > On 4/25/2016 10:55 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Rob has added the IC-7851, IC-7300, and IC-9100 to his table: >> >> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6ll.dave at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wb4jfi at knology.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Apr 25 18:33:16 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:33:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,4/25/2016 1:34 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: > Wow, looks like Icom finally made a radio with performance close to the > humble K3S and K3 + new synth.... but also looks like you really got to pay > 'em for finally doing it, at nearly 13 grand for the 7851! Don't be so quick to declare either of these products winners -- Rob's RX measurements are only a small part of what defines the quality of a radio. ICOM (and Yaesu) have a long history of producing radios with rather wide CW signals, including all the current products that ARRL has measured. 73, Jim K9YC From jh3sif at sumaq.jp Mon Apr 25 18:34:01 2016 From: jh3sif at sumaq.jp (Keith Onishi) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 07:34:01 +0900 Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 with KX3 Message-ID: I am experiencing some frequency drift on operating JT65 with KX3 + KXPA100. I was reported that my signal drifted 5 to 8Hz drift during my transmission and noticed almost same amount of drift during my receiving period. Output power was 20W with KXPA100. OSC temp shows 36C on receiving and 39C on transmitting. I want to know if someone have similar experience before talking to Elecraft support team. 73 de JH3SIF, Keith From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Apr 25 18:48:42 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 18:48:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Memory Question In-Reply-To: <043301d19f3b$5f8f78e0$1eae6aa0$@gmail.com> References: <043301d19f3b$5f8f78e0$1eae6aa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Larry, The memory will contain not only the frequency, but the mode and several other settings, such as filter settings, Preamp/Attenuator, etc. What is saved should be sufficient to restore most of the parameters to the state it was when you saved to that memory. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/25/2016 5:42 PM, Larry D. Warner wrote: > I have asked support at elecraft.com this > question more than once and have not received an answer. Maybe the group > knows. When I save a frequency to memory in my KX3, what all is saved? Is > it just the band and the frequency or do all the other settings get saved > into memory as well? There are so many settings on the KX3 and it is so > versatile I would hope that most of the settings are saved. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Apr 25 18:51:44 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 18:51:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 with KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Keith, Have you done the Extended Temperature Compensation procedure on that KX3? If not, you should do that. It should reduce that drift due to temperature significantly. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/25/2016 6:34 PM, Keith Onishi wrote: > I am experiencing some frequency drift on operating JT65 with KX3 + KXPA100. I was reported that my signal drifted 5 to 8Hz drift during my transmission and noticed almost same amount of drift during my receiving period. > Output power was 20W with KXPA100. OSC temp shows 36C on receiving and 39C on transmitting. > From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Apr 25 19:08:33 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:08:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> > Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Mon,4/25/2016 1:34 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: >> Wow, looks like Icom finally made a radio with performance close to the >> humble K3S and K3 + new synth.... but also looks like you really got to pay >> 'em for finally doing it, at nearly 13 grand for the 7851! > > Don't be so quick to declare either of these products winners -- Rob's RX measurements are only a small part of what defines the quality of a radio. ICOM (and Yaesu) have a long history of producing radios with rather wide CW signals, including all the current products that ARRL has measured. Hi Jim, Also, in the "you get what you pay for" category, here are the K3S features (some optional*) that differ significantly from, or are not available on, the IC-7300: Receive - *Sub receiver (identical in performance to main), diversity and independent-band operation - Dedicated AF and RF gain controls for both receivers - APF (CW audio peaking filter) - 8-band RX EQ - Full stereo audio with audio effects (AFX) and L/R balance control - User-settable AF limiter for use when AGC is off - 7 AGC customization controls Transmit - PIN-diode T/R switching (audible relay on '7300) - Extremely fast T/R turnaround (as low as 5 ms in QRQ mode; also applies to KPA500) - Dedicated controls for CW code speed/mic gain, compression/power level - 8-band TX EQ General - *Wide-range ATU (> 10:1 at 100 W; > 20:1 at low power) and two antenna jacks - *Internal all-mode 2-meter transverter option - Direct transverter band displays (9); integrated with Elecraft XV-series - Built-in PSK and RTTY decode (to display) and encode (via keyer paddle); 7300 has only RTTY, I believe - Dedicated VFO B and RIT/XIT offset controls (VFO B is 400-count optical encoder with weighted knob) - 100 regular memories, plus 4 quick memories per band - 10 user-programmable function switches (for menu hot-keys, macros, TX messages) - Direct rotary control functions: K3 11; 7300 6 - Direct switch functions: K3, 74 (addional 22 on P3*); 7300, 27 (IC-7300 also has est. 10 full-time touch controls in main display context) - Keypad for direct frequency entry - Transflective LCD, easily readable in bright sunlight - Low current drain for portable/DXpedition use (1 amp typical) - Works with supply voltage of as low as 10 V - Carrying handle included - *High-quality/versatile external control panel option (K-Pod) Connectivity - RX antenna in/out and transverter in/out jacks - Stereo speaker outputs, front and rear headphones, front and rear mics - Analog line in/out in addition to USB (digital + audio) - Buffered I.F. output - Accessory output for compatibility with existing station equipment, including band-data outputs and user-defined logic in/out - 12-volt switched output for powering accessories Spectrum Display* - dedicated panadapter screen (P3) with significantly larger area - flexible partitioning of spectrum vs waterfall - *optional high-resolution, external SVGA display Any corrections or things I've missed? Wayne N6KR From rodenkirch_llc at msn.com Mon Apr 25 18:53:59 2016 From: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com (Jim Rodenkirch) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:53:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 with KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1461624839061-7616678.post@n2.nabble.com> Keith - don't know if you had the temp compensation alignment done but you also need to ensure your PC is accurate, "time wise " - I downloaded this freeware.....http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/download.htm Works well...72 de Jim R. K9JWV Keith Onishi wrote > I am experiencing some frequency drift on operating JT65 with KX3 + > KXPA100. I was reported that my signal drifted 5 to 8Hz drift during my > transmission and noticed almost same amount of drift during my receiving > period. > Output power was 20W with KXPA100. OSC temp shows 36C on receiving and 39C > on transmitting. > I want to know if someone have similar experience before talking to > Elecraft support team. > > 73 de JH3SIF, Keith > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/JT65-with-KX3-tp7616675p7616678.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From vk5dg at internode.on.net Mon Apr 25 19:19:48 2016 From: vk5dg at internode.on.net (David Giles) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:49:48 +0930 Subject: [Elecraft] PBSK31 In-Reply-To: <571D4753.2090804@socal.rr.com> References: <000001d19de2$ffdf2980$ff9d7c80$@accesscomm.ca> <571D4258.30501@internode.on.net> <571D4753.2090804@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <571EA614.7030406@internode.on.net> Hello Phil, My K2's serial number is in the 5000s so it has the temperature stability circuit built in. I have only just recently started using it on JT9 after some time on JT65. I don't start transmitting until it has warmed up after 5 minutes or so. I first used it outdoors at my remote site (see VK3TUN on qrz.com) and had to shield it from the wind. Now that the shed is up, that is no longer an issue. I don't know if it helps that much with dissipating the heat, but I always have the bail extended. 73 de David VK5DG / VK3TUN On 25/04/2016 7:53 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > David, > > Do you do anything special to ensure frequency stability in those > modes with your K2? > > Phil W7OX > > On 4/24/16 3:02 PM, David Giles wrote: >> I've made hundreds of contacts using JT65 and JT9 with my K2 at 5W. >> Most of these portable on a 12v battery with solar charging. With a >> 48 second transmit period, it's probably more of a stress test than >> BPSK31. >> >> 73 de David VK5DG / VK3TUN >> >> On 24/04/2016 2:07 PM, Bruce Rattray wrote: >>> What is the safe level to operate the K2 at for the PBSK31 mode? I'm >>> thinking 2 or 3 watts. tnx 73 Bruce ve5rc > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk5dg at internode.on.net > From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon Apr 25 19:25:22 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:25:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <448A662B-E3B3-43CA-BE8A-AC936A982808@wunderwood.org> > On Apr 25, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > - *Wide-range ATU (> 10:1 at 100 W; > 20:1 at low power) and two antenna jacks I am really mystified about why transceivers include a 3:1 range ATU. It adds $150-200 to the end cost to get an external ATU. It might add $50-75 to make the internal ATU wide-range. It is especially odd for an entry-level rig, where people are likely to be using a low-slung dipole. OK, it is very strange for the IC-7851, too. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From larrydwarner at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 19:48:23 2016 From: larrydwarner at gmail.com (Larry D. Warner) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:48:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Memory Question In-Reply-To: References: <043301d19f3b$5f8f78e0$1eae6aa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <04cd01d19f4c$f4a35210$dde9f630$@gmail.com> Don, Thank you. I figured it saved more than frequency. But, what I am looking for is a list of all the settings that are saved. I want to know what the "several other settings" are. Regards, Larry KG7ZSB You cannot live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you. -- John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 3:49 PM To: Larry D. Warner ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Memory Question Larry, The memory will contain not only the frequency, but the mode and several other settings, such as filter settings, Preamp/Attenuator, etc. What is saved should be sufficient to restore most of the parameters to the state it was when you saved to that memory. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/25/2016 5:42 PM, Larry D. Warner wrote: > I have asked support at elecraft.com this > question more than once and have not received an answer. Maybe the > group knows. When I save a frequency to memory in my KX3, what all is > saved? Is it just the band and the frequency or do all the other > settings get saved into memory as well? There are so many settings on > the KX3 and it is so versatile I would hope that most of the settings are saved. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Apr 25 19:54:03 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 19:54:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <448A662B-E3B3-43CA-BE8A-AC936A982808@wunderwood.org> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> <448A662B-E3B3-43CA-BE8A-AC936A982808@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: Wunder, The only reason I can understand is that they can get away by stating that they have an internal ATU. Sadly many hams (particularly newer hams) gloss over the significance of the need for a wide range ATU. They don't discover that they need an external tuner for their "multiband" antenna until after they buy the transceiver and discover that it is inadequate. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/25/2016 7:25 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> On Apr 25, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> - *Wide-range ATU (> 10:1 at 100 W; > 20:1 at low power) and two antenna jacks > I am really mystified about why transceivers include a 3:1 range ATU. It adds $150-200 to the end cost to get an external ATU. It might add $50-75 to make the internal ATU wide-range. It is especially odd for an entry-level rig, where people are likely to be using a low-slung dipole. OK, it is very strange for the IC-7851, too. > > From w1pdi at aol.com Mon Apr 25 19:57:34 2016 From: w1pdi at aol.com (TFJM) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:57:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery Message-ID: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm sure this question has been asked many times. I recently bought a KX3 so I'm new at QRP and I'm about to head to a camp ground in a few weeks and go portable. Besides using internal batteries, what longer lasting external batteries are recommended? I hear of Lipo batteries and a slew of others. I'm just trying to navigate though the maze of options. Any and all feedback would be welcome. 73, Tom / W1PDI -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Suggested-External-Battery-tp7616683.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From hwhite1 at maine.rr.com Mon Apr 25 19:58:06 2016 From: hwhite1 at maine.rr.com (Harry White) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 19:58:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <01d201d19f4e$500fe720$f02fb560$@maine.rr.com> Wayne, Yes, you missed one thing, the price. I added all the items up that would have to be added to a factory build K3s so that it could do everything you claimed and everything the IC-7300 can do. Without shipping costs the K3s radio prices out at $5469.65, more than three and a half times the cost of an IC-7300. And everyone is offering free shipping on the IC-7300. And that price does not include any additional filters in the K3s. Just trying to be fair. 73, Harry K1RSA -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 7:09 PM To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated > Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Mon,4/25/2016 1:34 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: >> Wow, looks like Icom finally made a radio with performance close to >> the humble K3S and K3 + new synth.... but also looks like you really >> got to pay 'em for finally doing it, at nearly 13 grand for the 7851! > > Don't be so quick to declare either of these products winners -- Rob's RX measurements are only a small part of what defines the quality of a radio. ICOM (and Yaesu) have a long history of producing radios with rather wide CW signals, including all the current products that ARRL has measured. Hi Jim, Also, in the "you get what you pay for" category, here are the K3S features (some optional*) that differ significantly from, or are not available on, the IC-7300: Receive - *Sub receiver (identical in performance to main), diversity and independent-band operation - Dedicated AF and RF gain controls for both receivers - APF (CW audio peaking filter) - 8-band RX EQ - Full stereo audio with audio effects (AFX) and L/R balance control - User-settable AF limiter for use when AGC is off - 7 AGC customization controls Transmit - PIN-diode T/R switching (audible relay on '7300) - Extremely fast T/R turnaround (as low as 5 ms in QRQ mode; also applies to KPA500) - Dedicated controls for CW code speed/mic gain, compression/power level - 8-band TX EQ General - *Wide-range ATU (> 10:1 at 100 W; > 20:1 at low power) and two antenna jacks - *Internal all-mode 2-meter transverter option - Direct transverter band displays (9); integrated with Elecraft XV-series - Built-in PSK and RTTY decode (to display) and encode (via keyer paddle); 7300 has only RTTY, I believe - Dedicated VFO B and RIT/XIT offset controls (VFO B is 400-count optical encoder with weighted knob) - 100 regular memories, plus 4 quick memories per band - 10 user-programmable function switches (for menu hot-keys, macros, TX messages) - Direct rotary control functions: K3 11; 7300 6 - Direct switch functions: K3, 74 (addional 22 on P3*); 7300, 27 (IC-7300 also has est. 10 full-time touch controls in main display context) - Keypad for direct frequency entry - Transflective LCD, easily readable in bright sunlight - Low current drain for portable/DXpedition use (1 amp typical) - Works with supply voltage of as low as 10 V - Carrying handle included - *High-quality/versatile external control panel option (K-Pod) Connectivity - RX antenna in/out and transverter in/out jacks - Stereo speaker outputs, front and rear headphones, front and rear mics - Analog line in/out in addition to USB (digital + audio) - Buffered I.F. output - Accessory output for compatibility with existing station equipment, including band-data outputs and user-defined logic in/out - 12-volt switched output for powering accessories Spectrum Display* - dedicated panadapter screen (P3) with significantly larger area - flexible partitioning of spectrum vs waterfall - *optional high-resolution, external SVGA display Any corrections or things I've missed? Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hwhite1 at maine.rr.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From tomb18 at videotron.ca Mon Apr 25 19:59:33 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 19:59:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 / KXPA per band power? Message-ID: Hi, Is there an option somewhere to enable the KX3 to have different power levels per band? This would be very useful if you are driving a big amp via the KXPA100. Is this planned for a future firmware update? Thanks, Tom va2fsq.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From raysills3 at verizon.net Mon Apr 25 20:09:16 2016 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Ray Sills) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:09:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Gary: One aspect of the KX3 is that you can get a bare-bones version? at $900.. and you would have a very functional portable QRP rig. And, as finances permit, you can add the options. That way you don?t have to pony up the entire $3K at one time. And, even with the bare bones kit, you?d still have the latest firmware at the time of production, and a quite capable multi-mode, multi-band transceiver. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3#211 > On Apr 25, 2016, at 5:21 PM, NC3Z Gary wrote: > > True a fully kitted KX3 station will be about $3000, but the KX3 is > really a different animal. There is a lot of flexibility with a KX3 > station. For emergency power operation the KX3 draws a lot less power on > receive. > > One key feature is Elecraft themselves, somewhat regular firmware (and > hardware) updates that improve performance and add features, and all > this on a product that may be several years old. Other radio > manufacturers are notorious for not providing updates after a relatively > short period of time. > > > > Gary Mitchelson > NC3Z/4 Pamlico County, NC FM15 > From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 20:10:57 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 00:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery In-Reply-To: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <639186004.1653367.1461629457078.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> It really depends on your mode of operation.? The internal batteries do a great short term op.? 5 to 10 AHR batteries go longer,? Same with solar panels will let you do daytime and most of the night.? Of course depending on the operating mode. I use a 10 AHR Life type with a 27 W folded solar panel and have never ran out of SSB power.? Have fun.? Mel, K6KBE From: TFJM via Elecraft To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 4:57 PM Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery I'm sure this question has been asked many times. I recently bought a KX3 so I'm new at QRP and I'm about to head to a camp ground in a few weeks and go portable. Besides using internal batteries, what longer lasting external batteries are recommended? I hear of Lipo batteries and a slew of others. I'm just trying to navigate though the maze of options. Any and all feedback would be welcome. 73, Tom / W1PDI -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Suggested-External-Battery-tp7616683.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From lists at subich.com Mon Apr 25 20:12:44 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:12:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <4731C69900124A428CEBDEEAE2EE542A@tfoxserver3> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <18979FC727824A27A204A4CFCE92FE2D@Toshiba> <4731C69900124A428CEBDEEAE2EE542A@tfoxserver3> Message-ID: > Firstly, the K3/K3S (without the second receiver) cannot be on more > than ONE amateur band at a time. So, why create an artificial "test" > that the typical K3 can't even do? Because that is *exactly* what Flex (and others) promotes - multiple "slice receivers" anywhere from 1 to 54 MHz. > Secondly, I wonder how good the K3/K3S would be if you also pulled > their front-end filtering? It's not an issue because the filtering is built in - unlike the Flex 6300 that has *no* preselector/bandpass filters. > 14-bit ADCs aren't showing this problem here, even without > the HPF. I have an AM site (two transmitters about 5 miles away) that puts more than 2 mW into the reverse port of my microHAM SMORF vector Wattmeter when I use my 160/80/40/30 trapped inverted V during the daytime. Even after the K3 T/R switch and KBPF3, I see at least two signals higher greater than -20 dBm on the P3 and more than a dozen at -30 dBm or more. Another individual in rural Colorado reports 15 signals > -30 dBm on his 160/80 meter Marconi T that makes an unfiltered 14 bit ADC direct sampling transceiver unusable on 160 and 80 meters. In his case it required 22 dB of attenuation plus an ICE 402 1.8 MHz HPF to "clean up" the broadcast intermod. Now maybe an MDS of -100 dBm works on 160 but it certainly isn't going to work on the high bands. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/25/2016 6:17 PM, wb4jfi at knology.net wrote: > While I don't disagree with the possibility of your first paragraph Joe, > your third one doesn't make a lot of sense to me. > > Firstly, the K3/K3S (without the second receiver) cannot be on more than > ONE amateur band at a time. So, why create an artificial "test" that > the typical K3 can't even do? I believe that most K3/K3S out there > don't have the second receiver. Plus, the K3/K3S cannot listen to three > (or more) bands at once, which the 6500 and 6700 can. > > Secondly, I wonder how good the K3/K3S would be if you also pulled their > front-end filtering? > > I'm still very much an Elecraft fan with both a K3 and a KX3, so I'm not > disparaging the Elecraft equipment at all. I LOVE THEM! I just want > apples vs apples, please. > > BTW, I have an AM station within a couple of miles - directly > line-of-sight down the river, and I don't see this alleged problem at > all. But, I'm only using dipoles, a Steppir vertical, or a 50-ohm > resistor for antennas. Hi Hi. I do see this problem with several 8- or > 12-bit SDR designs without high-pass filtering, but with a filter, it > goes away. 14-bit ADCs aren't showing this problem here, even without > the HPF. > 73, Terry, N4TLF > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 5:30 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated > > > On 4/25/2016 4:44 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote: >> It's interesting that the 7300's ranking in the table is because of its >> 94 dB Dynamic Range at 2 KHz spacing. But the footnotes indicate that >> this dynamic range is with AP+ turned ON. With AP+ ON, minimum >> detectable signal is degraded by 11 dB. > > That's true of *every* direct sampling SDR in the list. That's the > "dirty little secret" of direct sampling SDRs ... in order to maintain > that "pristine" IMD DR the "total signal level" or instantaneous peak > voltage at the ADC must stay below the clipping/overflow level. > > Look at the ARRL review of the Flex 6700 and 6300 ... compare their > MDS with the preamps on and preamps off, then look at the IMD DR > with the preamps on and off (where the data is available). Even for > the Flex, MDS is degraded by 10 to 15 dB in order to maintain the full > dynamic range (not much different than the 7300). > > Direct sampling disciples will claim the MDS reduction is not a problem > but try running one of their radios within a couple miles of an AM > station with "slice receivers" on more than one amateur band (so the > preselector/bandpass filters are bypassed). > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > >> >> With AP+ OFF, as generally recommended in the footnotes, 2 KHz dynamic >> range is only 81 dB, which would place the 7300 considerably lower in >> the table, but still pretty good. >> >> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL >> Yuma, AZ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV >> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:55 AM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated >> >> >> Very interesting ... pretty good performance from the IC-7300 for an >> "entry level radio." On the other hand, the IC-9100 should be better >> than "mid pack" given it's recent design and price - it's even *worse* >> (both IMD and LO Noise) that that paragon of "high performance," the >> IC-706mkIIg! >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> On 4/25/2016 10:55 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Rob has added the IC-7851, IC-7300, and IC-9100 to his table: >>> >>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k6ll.dave at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb4jfi at knology.net > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Apr 25 20:23:14 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 17:23:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery In-Reply-To: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Almost any power supply capable of 9 to 15 volts at 2-4 amps. Any family of batteries in that range will work. I use AGM lead acid batteries for field day. I have a lithium family battery for backpacking. To calculate how much capacity (amp-hours) you need, measure the current draw on receive and transmit. Then figure out what your transmit/receive duty cycle will be and the time you will be operating to calculate the number of amp-hours you will need. Then double that because batteries don't like to be drained dead and you need a margin of safety. 73 Bill AE6JV On 4/25/16 at 4:57 PM, elecraft at mailman.qth.net (TFJM via Elecraft) wrote: >I'm sure this question has been asked many times. I recently bought a KX3 so >I'm new at QRP and I'm about to head to a camp ground in a few weeks and go >portable. Besides using internal batteries, what longer lasting external >batteries are recommended? I hear of Lipo batteries and a slew of others. >I'm just trying to navigate though the maze of options. > >Any and all feedback would be welcome. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If you want total security, go to prison. There you're 408-356-8506 | fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only www.pwpconsult.com | thing lacking is freedom. - Dwight D. Eisenhower From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Apr 25 20:25:46 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:25:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery In-Reply-To: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <644c8bac-20cc-dfc5-9b96-73d642ab14bc@embarqmail.com> Tom, Consider cost vs. need and your intended power level. If you are backpacking in, then weight is a consideration, so LiPo and LiFePO4 batteries are to be preferred. IMHO, LiFePo4 are preferred because they have terminal voltages similar to NiMH ot NiCad batteries and the charging requirements are not as severe (and safety oriented) as LiPo. LiPo batteries need special chargers to insure safety during charging. If you don't mind the weight of lead acid batteries, then the low cost alternative is a "lawn mower" battery, or if spillage of the electrolyte might be a problem, look at AGM or SLA batteries. That is old battery technology, but it works and is the lesser expensive solution. An almost zero cost solution is to run heavy gauge wires from your vehicle battery. Just make sure there is enough energy left to start your vehicle when you are ready to break camp. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/25/2016 7:57 PM, TFJM via Elecraft wrote: > I'm sure this question has been asked many times. I recently bought a KX3 so > I'm new at QRP and I'm about to head to a camp ground in a few weeks and go > portable. Besides using internal batteries, what longer lasting external > batteries are recommended? I hear of Lipo batteries and a slew of others. > I'm just trying to navigate though the maze of options. > > From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Mon Apr 25 20:36:38 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 00:36:38 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m Install Message-ID: Hi folks, Last night I installed and configured a KX3 2m module following the current instructions on the website (Rev C). My KX3 is a recent factory build. Everything seems to be working fine; I haven't actually tried it on-air yet (need to finish my 2m Moxon), but at least I didn't blow my rig up. I encountered one difference with the instructions: When installing the LO coax on J4, I could not find any capacitor C120 to avoid. My KX3 simply doesn't have C120 or R81 on that PCB. Has something changed in recent KX3s? The only hard part was the final installation, specifically clamping the heatsink lug properly with retainer TO-220. It seems like the clamping arrangement unavoidably puts the nylon bottom screw at a weird angle. I double-checked the orientation of TO-220 and redid these steps over several times, and couldn't figure out any other way to make it work. Is this right? If so, a clarification in the instructions would help. Bruce From eric.csuf at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 21:19:55 2016 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 18:19:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <01d201d19f4e$500fe720$f02fb560$@maine.rr.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> <01d201d19f4e$500fe720$f02fb560$@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: The fact that you are having this conversation directly with one of the owners/designers of Elecraft and not one of the owners of ICOM is always going to make comparisons inherently unfair. Eric KE6US On 4/25/2016 4:58 PM, Harry White wrote: > Wayne, > > Yes, you missed one thing, the price. I added all the items up that would > have to be added to a factory build K3s so that it could do everything you > claimed and everything the IC-7300 can do. Without shipping costs the K3s > radio prices out at $5469.65, more than three and a half times the cost of > an IC-7300. And everyone is offering free shipping on the IC-7300. And that > price does not include any additional filters in the K3s. > > Just trying to be fair. > > 73, > > Harry > K1RSA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne > Burdick > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 7:09 PM > To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated > >> Jim Brown wrote: >> >>> On Mon,4/25/2016 1:34 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: >>> Wow, looks like Icom finally made a radio with performance close to >>> the humble K3S and K3 + new synth.... but also looks like you really >>> got to pay 'em for finally doing it, at nearly 13 grand for the 7851! >> Don't be so quick to declare either of these products winners -- Rob's RX > measurements are only a small part of what defines the quality of a radio. > ICOM (and Yaesu) have a long history of producing radios with rather wide CW > signals, including all the current products that ARRL has measured. > > Hi Jim, > > Also, in the "you get what you pay for" category, here are the K3S features > (some optional*) that differ significantly from, or are not available on, > the IC-7300: > > Receive > > - *Sub receiver (identical in performance to main), diversity and > independent-band operation > - Dedicated AF and RF gain controls for both receivers > - APF (CW audio peaking filter) > - 8-band RX EQ > - Full stereo audio with audio effects (AFX) and L/R balance control > - User-settable AF limiter for use when AGC is off > - 7 AGC customization controls > > Transmit > > - PIN-diode T/R switching (audible relay on '7300) > - Extremely fast T/R turnaround (as low as 5 ms in QRQ mode; also applies > to KPA500) > - Dedicated controls for CW code speed/mic gain, compression/power level > - 8-band TX EQ > > General > > - *Wide-range ATU (> 10:1 at 100 W; > 20:1 at low power) and two antenna > jacks > - *Internal all-mode 2-meter transverter option > - Direct transverter band displays (9); integrated with Elecraft > XV-series > - Built-in PSK and RTTY decode (to display) and encode (via keyer > paddle); > 7300 has only RTTY, I believe > - Dedicated VFO B and RIT/XIT offset controls (VFO B is 400-count optical > encoder > with weighted knob) > - 100 regular memories, plus 4 quick memories per band > - 10 user-programmable function switches (for menu hot-keys, macros, TX > messages) > - Direct rotary control functions: K3 11; 7300 6 > - Direct switch functions: K3, 74 (addional 22 on P3*); 7300, 27 > (IC-7300 also has est. 10 full-time touch controls in main display > context) > - Keypad for direct frequency entry > - Transflective LCD, easily readable in bright sunlight > - Low current drain for portable/DXpedition use (1 amp typical) > - Works with supply voltage of as low as 10 V > - Carrying handle included > - *High-quality/versatile external control panel option (K-Pod) > > Connectivity > > - RX antenna in/out and transverter in/out jacks > - Stereo speaker outputs, front and rear headphones, front and rear mics > - Analog line in/out in addition to USB (digital + audio) > - Buffered I.F. output > - Accessory output for compatibility with existing station equipment, > including band-data outputs and user-defined logic in/out > - 12-volt switched output for powering accessories > > Spectrum Display* > > - dedicated panadapter screen (P3) with significantly larger area > - flexible partitioning of spectrum vs waterfall > - *optional high-resolution, external SVGA display > > Any corrections or things I've missed? > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to hwhite1 at maine.rr.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From cautery at montac.com Mon Apr 25 21:38:07 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:38:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <571EC67F.4000804@montac.com> I know next to nothing about radios, but here's my $0.02 anyway... 1) My K3s/P3 combo is the first purchase in 20 years or more that I've had absolutely NO buyer's remorse... not even a hint, nada, none... 2) My K3s makes me WANT to become the best operator I can... This arrow is wayyy better than the Indian right now and for the forseeable future. 3) NO ONE has ever made a single comment to me negative about the K3s or Elecraft... 4) I consistently get comments on my signal from my QSOs that it is clean, super, fills the room, full, broadcast quality, etc, etc, et al... and I'm only 100w on a loop. 5) NO ONE at Yaesu, Icomm, or Kenwood ever called me to help me figure out what I needed when I was ready to order. 6) Elecraft is USA... ;-) ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 4/25/2016 6:08 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Jim Brown wrote: >> >>> On Mon,4/25/2016 1:34 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: >>> Wow, looks like Icom finally made a radio with performance close to the >>> humble K3S and K3 + new synth.... but also looks like you really got to pay >>> 'em for finally doing it, at nearly 13 grand for the 7851! >> Don't be so quick to declare either of these products winners -- Rob's RX measurements are only a small part of what defines the quality of a radio. ICOM (and Yaesu) have a long history of producing radios with rather wide CW signals, including all the current products that ARRL has measured. > Hi Jim, > > Also, in the "you get what you pay for" category, here are the K3S features (some optional*) that differ significantly from, or are not available on, the IC-7300: > > Receive > > - *Sub receiver (identical in performance to main), diversity and independent-band operation > - Dedicated AF and RF gain controls for both receivers > - APF (CW audio peaking filter) > - 8-band RX EQ > - Full stereo audio with audio effects (AFX) and L/R balance control > - User-settable AF limiter for use when AGC is off > - 7 AGC customization controls > > Transmit > > - PIN-diode T/R switching (audible relay on '7300) > - Extremely fast T/R turnaround (as low as 5 ms in QRQ mode; also applies to KPA500) > - Dedicated controls for CW code speed/mic gain, compression/power level > - 8-band TX EQ > > General > > - *Wide-range ATU (> 10:1 at 100 W; > 20:1 at low power) and two antenna jacks > - *Internal all-mode 2-meter transverter option > - Direct transverter band displays (9); integrated with Elecraft XV-series > - Built-in PSK and RTTY decode (to display) and encode (via keyer paddle); > 7300 has only RTTY, I believe > - Dedicated VFO B and RIT/XIT offset controls (VFO B is 400-count optical encoder > with weighted knob) > - 100 regular memories, plus 4 quick memories per band > - 10 user-programmable function switches (for menu hot-keys, macros, TX messages) > - Direct rotary control functions: K3 11; 7300 6 > - Direct switch functions: K3, 74 (addional 22 on P3*); 7300, 27 > (IC-7300 also has est. 10 full-time touch controls in main display context) > - Keypad for direct frequency entry > - Transflective LCD, easily readable in bright sunlight > - Low current drain for portable/DXpedition use (1 amp typical) > - Works with supply voltage of as low as 10 V > - Carrying handle included > - *High-quality/versatile external control panel option (K-Pod) > > Connectivity > > - RX antenna in/out and transverter in/out jacks > - Stereo speaker outputs, front and rear headphones, front and rear mics > - Analog line in/out in addition to USB (digital + audio) > - Buffered I.F. output > - Accessory output for compatibility with existing station equipment, > including band-data outputs and user-defined logic in/out > - 12-volt switched output for powering accessories > > Spectrum Display* > > - dedicated panadapter screen (P3) with significantly larger area > - flexible partitioning of spectrum vs waterfall > - *optional high-resolution, external SVGA display > > Any corrections or things I've missed? > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From lstavenhagen at hotmail.com Mon Apr 25 22:15:40 2016 From: lstavenhagen at hotmail.com (lstavenhagen) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 19:15:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1461636940642-7616694.post@n2.nabble.com> Yes, quite true. But it is a little hilarious that the only other Icom rig above its own 7300 in the Sherwood chart costs 13 grand.... At least in the fairly narrow comparison domain of RX dynamic range anyway; to me that's just kind of funny that their high end rigs are outperformed by their own entry/mid level rig. But yes you make a good point in that it's the overall package that really counts and you always have your compromises that you need to make to hit a particular performance level or price point or both... After looking at them all, though, my K3S still edges out everything else I've looked at in the bang/buck ratio department, so that's what I went with. But of course my needs are kind of specific - the hottest possible RX, brick wall filtering CW a first-class citizen among the supported modes and built for /p operation. If I worked voice or digital modes in addition, or didn't have /p requirements, maybe the calculus would have had other players in it. When I threw in kit building fun/learning, the K2 actually edged out all of them. That's why I built 2 of them lol. 73, LS W5QD Jim Brown-10 wrote > Don't be so quick to declare either of these products winners -- Rob's > RX measurements are only a small part of what defines the quality of a > radio. ICOM (and Yaesu) have a long history of producing radios with > rather wide CW signals, including all the current products that ARRL has > measured. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sherwood-s-receiver-performance-table-updated-tp7616652p7616694.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pituionut at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 22:35:02 2016 From: pituionut at yahoo.com (Ionut Pitu) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 02:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Main RX gone deaf In-Reply-To: <571E77DD.4090005@dk5ya.de> References: <571E77DD.4090005@dk5ya.de> Message-ID: <1399543559.2330070.1461638102394.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Then you should check also D25 from the RF board.The easiest way to find out the problem is to inject signal at different point in the rx chain and see where it stops working, or where it starts working,hi! Good luck!BobYO8RNI From: Udo Langenohl - DK5YA To: Jerry ; Graham g3tct Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Main RX gone deaf Gentleman, thanks for all so many replies. Will try to check all ideas tomorrow, XYL permitting ... ;-). 73 Udo, DK5YA P.S.: The issue occurs at the RX IN and TVTR IN ports of the KXV3A too. Am 25.04.2016 um 17:57 schrieb Jerry: > Reseat the internal coax jumpers in the surf signal path. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 25, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Graham g3tct wrote: >> >> Hi Udo >> Before you start tearing the rig apart, two ideas:- >> >> -is there a big difference for weak signals of say S4? >> -if not, it may just be the S meter calibration that needs attention. >> -if so, preamp on for either? Att on for main? >> >> HTH >> Graham >> >>> On 19:59, Udo Langenohl - DK5YA wrote: >>> Gentleman, >>> >>> I'm struggling with a Main RX vs. Sub RX issue. My Main RX is rather deaf compared to the Sub RX. I see at least 23.5dB attenuation between Main RX and Sub RX when comparing highly stable signals from my signal generator (HP8664A). This is only for ANT1/2 vs. AUX-IN! >>> Example: >>> -33dBm on 28.500 >>> into AUX-IN (SUB RX): exactly 59 +40dB >>> into ANT 1 (Main RX): 59 +15dB >>> into ANT 2 (Main RX): 59 +15dB >>> >>> I've checked all the usual suspects (pin diodes): >>> D1 and D5 on the KXV3A: o.k. >>> Each and every pin diode on the SUB IN board: o.k. >>> D5 on the Main RX board: o.k. >>> >>> This is a K3 #59xx with almost everything inside money can buy. >>> >>> My second K3 (serial #39xx) does not show this strange behavior. Main RX and SUB RX show exactly the same values on ANT1/2 and AUX IN. -33dBm is 59+40 on MAIN and SUB RX, no matter if Ant1, 2 or AUX IN. >>> >>> Any idea? I'm searching for weeks now and I'm close to give up. >>> >>> Udo, DK5YA >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com > > -- ****************************************** Webs by DK5YA:? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? * http://www.mmmonvhf.de/ ? ? ? ? [editor]* http://www.vhfdx.de/ ? ? ? ? ? ? [owner] * http://www.palekastro.de/ ? ? ? [owner] * http://www.solweb.de/ ? ? ? ? ? [owner] * http://www.spessartwetter.de/ ? [owner] * ****************************************** ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pituionut at yahoo.com From ron at cobi.biz Mon Apr 25 23:17:20 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:17:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m Install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001901d19f6a$2585cad0$70916070$@biz> Hi Bruce: Are talking about C180 near J4? I'll check into it. It won't be the first time the engineers made a change and didn't realize it impacted the assembly instructions (I'm 600 miles from Watsonville, but only milliseconds by voice and e-mail. Still that can be "light years" at times, Hi!) I'm not sure what could put the TO-220 screw at an angle. The TO-220 heat sink simply slips in between the retainer, which is then pulled tightly against the TO-220 heat sink and the side of the case. That's the critical part - good mechanical and thermal contact between the TO-220 heat sink and the side of the case. Have you tried loosening both screws and then re-tightening them? What comes to mind is that in tightening the top screw, the retainer might have turned slightly, misaligning the bottom screw in the hole. With everything in place. Loosen both screws a bit, then retighten the bottom (nylon) screw to hold the retainer, then tighten the top screw and see if things line up better. I'd appreciate hearing if that works either at my address on this message or ron at elecraft.com. 73. Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Nourish Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 5:37 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m Install Hi folks, Last night I installed and configured a KX3 2m module following the current instructions on the website (Rev C). My KX3 is a recent factory build. Everything seems to be working fine; I haven't actually tried it on-air yet (need to finish my 2m Moxon), but at least I didn't blow my rig up. I encountered one difference with the instructions: When installing the LO coax on J4, I could not find any capacitor C120 to avoid. My KX3 simply doesn't have C120 or R81 on that PCB. Has something changed in recent KX3s? The only hard part was the final installation, specifically clamping the heatsink lug properly with retainer TO-220. It seems like the clamping arrangement unavoidably puts the nylon bottom screw at a weird angle. I double-checked the orientation of TO-220 and redid these steps over several times, and couldn't figure out any other way to make it work. Is this right? If so, a clarification in the instructions would help. Bruce ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From kp4y at yahoo.com Mon Apr 25 23:19:01 2016 From: kp4y at yahoo.com (Robert Vargas-KP4Y) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 03:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571EC67F.4000804@montac.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> <571EC67F.4000804@montac.com> Message-ID: <1612583722.1788693.1461640741878.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I agree that comparisons between an heterodyne radio and direct-sampling radio is not like comparing apples vs apples. Each of these philosophies/architectures has has advantages and disadvantages at this time, but I'm pretty sure that all future amateur radio transceivers (any radio for that matter) will eventually be direct-sampling SDRs....Similar arguments have been had in the past (some are still ongoing) about competing technologies such as tubes vs. transistor, quartz cristal vs. synthesizers, etc...The difference is that direct-sampling SDRs, though a much newer?philosophy/architecture, only have a few wrinkles that should easily be ironed out as more capable and affordable chips (ADCs and DSP) become available. Honestly, I don't understand these claims about a direct-sampling SDR overloading so easily. Is this based on personal experience or theory? Of course, I would totally expect this to happen with an SDR kit based upon an 8-bit ADC. However, I have an Anan SDR (16 bits) and I'm yet to experience these issues. Besides this, what percentage of the total amateur radio community live near high-power broadcast stations? Does it really make sense to engineer products based upon unlikely scenarios that will likely increase production costs while diminishing/limiting additional features? I love Elecraft products (have or have had all major ones; K3, KX3/PX3/KXPA100, KPA500), but have to admit that direct-sampling offers some features that Elecraft won't be able to offer with a heterodyne architecture. But, I would imagine that Elecraft already has a direct-sampling SDR on the drawing board and this is exciting because I know that it'll beat anything that is in the market right now. 73,Robert-KP4Y/W4 ? ? ? On Monday, April 25, 2016 9:40 PM, Clay Autery wrote: I know next to nothing about radios, but here's my $0.02 anyway... 1) My K3s/P3 combo is the first purchase in 20 years or more that I've had absolutely NO buyer's remorse... not even a hint, nada, none... 2) My K3s makes me WANT to become the best operator I can... This arrow is wayyy better than the Indian right now and for the forseeable future. 3) NO ONE has ever made a single comment to me negative about the K3s or Elecraft... 4) I consistently get comments on my signal from my QSOs that it is clean, super, fills the room, full, broadcast quality, etc, etc, et al...? and I'm only 100w on a loop. 5) NO ONE at Yaesu, Icomm, or Kenwood ever called me to help me figure out what I needed when I was ready to order. 6) Elecraft is USA...? ? ;-) ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 4/25/2016 6:08 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Jim Brown wrote: >> >>> On Mon,4/25/2016 1:34 PM, lstavenhagen wrote: >>> Wow, looks like Icom finally made a radio with performance close to the >>> humble K3S and K3 + new synth.... but also looks like you really got to pay >>> 'em for finally doing it, at nearly 13 grand for the 7851! >> Don't be so quick to declare either of these products winners -- Rob's RX measurements are only a small part of what defines the quality of a radio. ICOM (and Yaesu) have a long history of producing radios with rather wide CW signals, including all the current products that ARRL has measured. > Hi Jim, > > Also, in the "you get what you pay for" category, here are the K3S features (some optional*) that differ significantly from, or are not available on, the IC-7300: > > Receive > >? ? - *Sub receiver (identical in performance to main), diversity and independent-band operation >? ? - Dedicated AF and RF gain controls for both receivers >? ? - APF (CW audio peaking filter) >? ? - 8-band RX EQ >? ? - Full stereo audio with audio effects (AFX) and L/R balance control >? ? - User-settable AF limiter for use when AGC is off >? ? - 7 AGC customization controls > > Transmit > >? ? - PIN-diode T/R switching (audible relay on '7300) >? ? - Extremely fast T/R turnaround (as low as 5 ms in QRQ mode; also applies to KPA500) >? ? - Dedicated controls for CW code speed/mic gain, compression/power level >? ? - 8-band TX EQ > > General > >? ? - *Wide-range ATU (> 10:1 at 100 W; > 20:1 at low power) and two antenna jacks >? ? - *Internal all-mode 2-meter transverter option >? ? - Direct transverter band displays (9); integrated with Elecraft XV-series >? ? - Built-in PSK and RTTY decode (to display) and encode (via keyer paddle); >? ? ? 7300 has only RTTY, I believe >? ? - Dedicated VFO B and RIT/XIT offset controls (VFO B is 400-count optical encoder >? ? ? with weighted knob) >? ? - 100 regular memories, plus 4 quick memories per band >? ? - 10 user-programmable function switches (for menu hot-keys, macros, TX messages) >? ? - Direct rotary control functions: K3 11; 7300 6 >? ? - Direct switch functions: K3, 74 (addional 22 on P3*); 7300, 27 >? ? ? ? (IC-7300 also has est. 10 full-time touch controls in main display context) >? ? - Keypad for direct frequency entry >? ? - Transflective LCD, easily readable in bright sunlight >? ? - Low current drain for portable/DXpedition use (1 amp typical) >? ? - Works with supply voltage of as low as 10 V >? ? - Carrying handle included >? ? - *High-quality/versatile external control panel option (K-Pod) > > Connectivity > >? ? - RX antenna in/out and transverter in/out jacks >? ? - Stereo speaker outputs, front and rear headphones, front and rear mics >? ? - Analog line in/out in addition to USB (digital + audio) >? ? - Buffered I.F. output >? ? - Accessory output for compatibility with existing station equipment, >? ? ? including band-data outputs and user-defined logic in/out >? ? - 12-volt switched output for powering accessories > > Spectrum Display* > >? ? - dedicated panadapter screen (P3) with significantly larger area >? ? - flexible partitioning of spectrum vs waterfall >? ? - *optional high-resolution, external SVGA display > > Any corrections or things I've missed? > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kp4y at yahoo.com From Gary at ka1j.com Mon Apr 25 23:28:17 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 23:28:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: , <01d201d19f4e$500fe720$f02fb560$@maine.rr.com>, Message-ID: <571EE051.3754.588531@Gary.ka1j.com> Fellas, There's so many directions to look at if you want to play Devil's Advocate to sliced bread, but is it a good argument? In many ways this Icom vs K3s discussion reminds me of someone putting up the merits of their 69 VW Bug against a 69 Hemi Roadrunner: Both are pretty cars in their own way. Both will likely get you where you're going. Both can break the speed limit and both will attract a certain crowd. The flower power crowd will probably take the VW Bug. Me, I'd want the Roadrunner in my garage. The analogy is of course, this thread relating to the IC-7300 vs the K3s: Both the Icom and the K3s are Ham Radios. Each has many of the same kinds of features and both cost more than an average 50" TV, while neither costs as much as an 8 day vacation to Bhutan will cost you. Both will make contacts to the remotest part of the earth from you. Is this thread comparing Apples to Oranges or is it a fair comparison of two equal quality Radios? To me, the obvious answer is this $1,499.95 Icom radio is arguably not in the same league as the K3s, and to try to compare them as equals is blatantly ungenuine. A fully loaded K3s will cost more than, and do more than the IC-7300. The IC-7300 is not a bad radio but it's like a High School Basketball star VS Michael Jordan back in 1995. The K3s is made in the USA and has a support staff that speaks clearly and can answer about anything you throw at them quickly and with respect. Unlike with Icom, you can actually talk with the designers of the Radio and president of the company and when you buy the radio, you have the privilege of being able to upgrade new components, rather than having to sell your old non-upgradable Icom and having to buy the next iteration they put out if you want to upgrade. Put that in your Icom Pipe & smoke it. If you want to make a genuine argument of Apples and Apples, then compare the K3s fully loaded with P3, to the Icom 7851 which at $12,989.95, is double the cost of the K3s with P3. That's a more reasonable argument than comparing it to it's kid brother, playing basketball in High School. I'm going back to my rock to make a few Q's with my K3s... 73, Gary KA1J From ua9cdc at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 23:54:11 2016 From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:54:11 +0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery References: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5763EDBB7D6E47B68B5C5D113D1FEB27@cdcmobile> I use 5500 maH LiFePo4 battery and one 60W foldable solar panel with my KX3 in the field. It gives me 10W around the clock. The battery is under 1 Kg and can be charged with any charger because BMS and protection is all built in. The fastest charging time is only 15 minutes with 20A charging current, I use 2X 20AH LiFePo4 batteries with pair of 60W foldable solar panels if I operate my K3 at 100W. This is also good for around the clock operation on a sunny day. These batteries also have BMS built in and do not require balancing charger. 73, Igor UA9CDC ----- Original Message ----- From: "TFJM via Elecraft" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 4:57 AM Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery > I'm sure this question has been asked many times. I recently bought a KX3 > so > I'm new at QRP and I'm about to head to a camp ground in a few weeks and > go > portable. Besides using internal batteries, what longer lasting external > batteries are recommended? I hear of Lipo batteries and a slew of others. > I'm just trying to navigate though the maze of options. > > Any and all feedback would be welcome. > > 73, > > Tom / W1PDI > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Suggested-External-Battery-tp7616683.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ua9cdc at gmail.com From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Mon Apr 25 23:55:17 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 03:55:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m Install In-Reply-To: <001901d19f6a$2585cad0$70916070$@biz> References: <001901d19f6a$2585cad0$70916070$@biz> Message-ID: Yes, sorry, C180, not C120. Not that I'm complaining, its absence made assembly easier. Re: TO-220. If you look at Fig 24 (bottom of p28) in the instructions, you'll see TO-220 "leaning back" inwards from the side of the case, loosely held by the nylon screw. My TO-220 looked like that before I inserted the module -- so far so good. When I inserted the module, the transistor heat sink went into the gap between the top of TO-220 and the case. I wiggled it a bit until the hole in the heat sink, and the top hole of TO-220 approximately lined up. I was able to screw in the metal Phillips screw fine, so the heat sink should have a good connection to the case. But TO-220 was still "leaning back", meaning that the bottom hole of TO-220 was still at an angle. I tried unscrewing both screws, but the heatsink had wedged TO-220 firmly at that angle. Bruce On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 8:17 PM Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Hi Bruce: > > Are talking about C180 near J4? I'll check into it. It won't be the first > time the engineers made a change and didn't realize it impacted the > assembly > instructions (I'm 600 miles from Watsonville, but only milliseconds by > voice > and e-mail. Still that can be "light years" at times, Hi!) > > I'm not sure what could put the TO-220 screw at an angle. The TO-220 heat > sink simply slips in between the retainer, which is then pulled tightly > against the TO-220 heat sink and the side of the case. That's the critical > part - good mechanical and thermal contact between the TO-220 heat sink and > the side of the case. > > Have you tried loosening both screws and then re-tightening them? What > comes > to mind is that in tightening the top screw, the retainer might have turned > slightly, misaligning the bottom screw in the hole. With everything in > place. Loosen both screws a bit, then retighten the bottom (nylon) screw to > hold the retainer, then tighten the top screw and see if things line up > better. > > I'd appreciate hearing if that works either at my address on this message > or > ron at elecraft.com. > > 73. Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Bruce > Nourish > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 5:37 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m Install > > Hi folks, > > Last night I installed and configured a KX3 2m module following the current > instructions on the website (Rev C). My KX3 is a recent factory build. > Everything seems to be working fine; I haven't actually tried it on-air yet > (need to finish my 2m Moxon), but at least I didn't blow my rig up. > > I encountered one difference with the instructions: When installing the LO > coax on J4, I could not find any capacitor C120 to avoid. My KX3 simply > doesn't have C120 or R81 on that PCB. Has something changed in recent KX3s? > > The only hard part was the final installation, specifically clamping the > heatsink lug properly with retainer TO-220. It seems like the clamping > arrangement unavoidably puts the nylon bottom screw at a weird angle. I > double-checked the orientation of TO-220 and redid these steps over several > times, and couldn't figure out any other way to make it work. Is this > right? > If so, a clarification in the instructions would help. > > Bruce > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Apr 26 00:00:01 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 21:00:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <1612583722.1788693.1461640741878.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> <571EC67F.4000804@montac.com> <1612583722.1788693.1461640741878.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <571EE7C1.4080803@triconet.org> I'm not smackin' this tar baby except to note that a direct sampling radio*is* a heterodyne radio. On 4/25/2016 8:19 PM, Robert Vargas-KP4Y via Elecraft wrote: > I agree that comparisons between an heterodyne radio and direct-sampling radio is not like comparing apples vs apples. From ava622 at verizon.net Tue Apr 26 00:09:03 2016 From: ava622 at verizon.net (Michael Aust) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 00:09:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Message-ID: <15450c19054-9c0-9464@webprd-a21.mail.aol.com> Interesting Sherwood Receiver Ratings http://www.sherweng.com/table.html Used the following radios at our DX Club station ( 1st place is K3/P3 by our DX operators ) 1st Place --> K3/P3 (upgraded synth) Best NB, Sensitivity and Filtering 2nd Place --> IC-7851 IC-7300 TS-990S ( Sold it - Terrible NB ) TS-590S ( Sold it as well ) Most preferred Radio for performance is the K3/P3 (with upgraded Synth) Eric/Wayne you got a great product ! 73 Mike From kp4y at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 00:16:07 2016 From: kp4y at yahoo.com (Robert Vargas-KP4Y) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 00:16:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571EE7C1.4080803@triconet.org> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> <571EC67F.4000804@montac.com> <1612583722.1788693.1461640741878.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <571EE7C1.4080803@triconet.org> Message-ID: <577671D5-F283-4A27-9B95-9CB121CA9E53@yahoo.com> Yep, I agree and I know you understand my point ? 73, Robert-KP4Y/W4 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 26, 2016, at 12:00 AM, Wes wrote: > > I'm not smackin' this tar baby except to note that a direct sampling radio*is* a heterodyne radio. > >> On 4/25/2016 8:19 PM, Robert Vargas-KP4Y via Elecraft wrote: >> I agree that comparisons between an heterodyne radio and direct-sampling radio is not like comparing apples vs apples. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kp4y at yahoo.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Apr 26 01:00:01 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:00:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> <01d201d19f4e$500fe720$f02fb560$@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <571EF5D1.1040601@audiosystemsgroup.com> A big advantage of owning an Elecraft radio is that you CAN communicate directly with the Owners and Chief Engineer, they will listen to what you have to say, and often modify/upgrade their products based on what they hear from US! Try that with ICOM. Or Yaesu. Or Kenwood. 73, Jim K9YC On Mon,4/25/2016 6:19 PM, EricJ wrote: > The fact that you are having this conversation directly with one of > the owners/designers of Elecraft and not one of the owners of ICOM is > always going to make comparisons inherently unfair. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Apr 26 01:03:44 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:03:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery In-Reply-To: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <571EF6B0.4050209@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,4/25/2016 4:57 PM, TFJM via Elecraft wrote: > Any and all feedback would be welcome. If you're going to carry it very far, this is what you want. https://www.bioennopower.com/collections/12v-series-lifepo4-batteries They had a booth at the Visalia convention a week or so ago. Seem like good people. I bought one of their batteries last year. 73, Jim K9YC From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Apr 26 01:26:07 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:26:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571EE7C1.4080803@triconet.org> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> <571EC67F.4000804@montac.com> <1612583722.1788693.1461640741878.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <571EE7C1.4080803@triconet.org> Message-ID: Are you confusing a direct conversion receiver with a direct sampling receiver? A super-het (K3) or direct conversion (KX3) receiver is a heterodyne system. A direct sampling receiver is not. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood BSEE Rice University, 1981 CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Wes wrote: > > I'm not smackin' this tar baby except to note that a direct sampling radio*is* a heterodyne radio. > > On 4/25/2016 8:19 PM, Robert Vargas-KP4Y via Elecraft wrote: >> I agree that comparisons between an heterodyne radio and direct-sampling radio is not like comparing apples vs apples. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Apr 26 01:33:48 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:33:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery In-Reply-To: <571EF6B0.4050209@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> <571EF6B0.4050209@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <187B4B4E-9779-46E0-93F0-E079E5FFE9CF@wunderwood.org> Maybe. The batteries in the boxes are kinda heavy. For a shorter trip, non-rechargeable lithium AA batteries are great. They are very light, about half the weight of NiMH batteries. At 1.5 V, 3000 mAh, and 0.5 ounces per battery, they have great energy density. A bit pricey, but you could buy a lot of them for the cost of one LiFePO4 pack. Eight batteries are only four ounces. A similar Bienno battery is 0.9 pounds (14+ ounces). You could carry 9 Ah of non-rechargeable AA?s for less weight (12 oz.) than 3 Ah of rechargeable LiFePO4. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Apr 25, 2016, at 10:03 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Mon,4/25/2016 4:57 PM, TFJM via Elecraft wrote: >> Any and all feedback would be welcome. > > If you're going to carry it very far, this is what you want. > > https://www.bioennopower.com/collections/12v-series-lifepo4-batteries > > They had a booth at the Visalia convention a week or so ago. Seem like good people. I bought one of their batteries last year. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From n1al at sonic.net Tue Apr 26 01:42:10 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:42:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> <571EC67F.4000804@montac.com> <1612583722.1788693.1461640741878.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <571EE7C1.4080803@triconet.org> Message-ID: <571EFFB2.9050500@sonic.net> On 04/25/2016 10:26 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Are you confusing a direct conversion receiver with a direct sampling > receiver? A super-het (K3) or direct conversion (KX3) receiver is a > heterodyne system. A direct sampling receiver is not. It kind-of is. There has to be some kind of digital local oscillator in the electronics following the ADC which is used to heterodyne the signal down to baseband or a lower-frequency "IF". True, it's all done with ones and zeros but it performs the same function as an analog local oscillator and mixer. Alan N1AL From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Apr 26 01:44:46 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:44:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery In-Reply-To: <187B4B4E-9779-46E0-93F0-E079E5FFE9CF@wunderwood.org> References: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> <571EF6B0.4050209@audiosystemsgroup.com> <187B4B4E-9779-46E0-93F0-E079E5FFE9CF@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <571F004E.7020400@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,4/25/2016 10:33 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > You could carry 9 Ah of non-rechargeable AA?s for less weight (12 oz.) than 3 Ah of rechargeable LiFePO4. Yes, BUT -- you can recharge the LiFePO4 batteries 2,000 times. Those non-rechargeable batteries can be used only once. 73, Jim K9YC From heinz.baertschi at bluewin.ch Tue Apr 26 04:14:36 2016 From: heinz.baertschi at bluewin.ch (Heinz Baertschi) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 01:14:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 CW Msg send In-Reply-To: <25EF7127-B1A9-4942-A626-DF9C6D2825AC@bluewin.ch> References: <25EF7127-B1A9-4942-A626-DF9C6D2825AC@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <1461658476834-7616707.post@n2.nabble.com> Heinz Baertschi wrote > I would rather prefer a KX-Pod > - no-compromise single button functions > - without a tuning knob > - attachable in place of the KXPD3 > - very lightweight (e.g. for SOTA) > - using a control cable to ACCx > > Have you ever thought of such a thing, Wayne? > > 73 tks, > Heinz HB9BCB > > >> Am 25.04.2016 um 13:27 schrieb Barry N1EU < > n1eu.barry@ > >: >> >> After spending 7 hours operating in QRPTTF on Saturday with my KX3, I >> wish >> for 2 things: >> >> 1. Single button press to send cw message instead of two >> 2. When in message repeat mode, allow for a single paddle dit to silently >> terminate repeat mode (without actually transmitting or generating >> sidetone). This would allow you to copy someone answering your CQ >> without >> missing a beat. > ______________________________________________________________ In response to my post I received some e-mail, all proposing to use an external pad (e.g. from www.genovation.com). Unfortunately all these external solutions are very impractical for portable use in the field (e.g. SOTA). May be these proposals were triggered in this direction by the name KX-Pod used, hi. Let me therefore clarify my wish as follows: I would rather prefer a CONTROL BAR, e.g. L7xW3xH2cm - attachable in place of the KXPD3 - 10 programmable push buttons in 2 lines (style KX3) - designation e.g. F1..F10 (short press) and M1..M10 (long press) - without a tuning knob - integrated touch pad, e.g. similar http://hamshop.cz/data/items/182_65.pdf - set of sensor "paddles" at the left AND right side of the Control Bar - sensor "paddles" fully integrated: no protruding parts! - control cable to ACCx as short/clever/hidden as possible - as lightweight and watertight as possible 73, Heinz HB9BCB -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-CW-Msg-send-tp7616647p7616707.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gn525 at ymail.com Tue Apr 26 05:32:08 2016 From: gn525 at ymail.com (gn525 at ymail.com) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:32:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?KX3_Suggested_External_Battery?= In-Reply-To: <187B4B4E-9779-46E0-93F0-E079E5FFE9CF@wunderwood.org> References: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> <571EF6B0.4050209@audiosystemsgroup.com>, <187B4B4E-9779-46E0-93F0-E079E5FFE9CF@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <513913.57703.bm@smtp213.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I can vouch for the Bioenno Power LiPo batteries. Bought a 20 ah battery for eComm and urban field work. It only weighs 6 lbs. A 10 h only weighs 3 lbs. https://www.bioennopower.com/collections/12v-series-lifepo4-batteries Gary K9JN From lmarion at mt.net Tue Apr 26 07:15:29 2016 From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 05:15:29 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] test Message-ID: Test From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk Tue Apr 26 07:27:10 2016 From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:27:10 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Subjecting W2 V/UHF Sensor to more than 200W Message-ID: <9387BF38-13DB-4541-837C-014D361BFE6F@Alphadene.co.uk> Not that I?m planning to do that, but does anyone know it?s max tolerance over a few seconds if one was to exceed the 200W by mistake? 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) -- The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -Andrew Tannenbaum, computer science professor (1944- ) From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 08:00:05 2016 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:00:05 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: DX Doubler SO2R, USB and cables Message-ID: Hello I have a DX Doubler SO2R box with manufacturer cables, two cables for kenwood and two cables for Elecraft. Piexx so2rxlat (this allow the use of DXD with a USB port on your computer). All working in perfect condition. If you are buying this will cost you $ 515.-. Asking $ 350.- + shipping from PA ,17543 Works very well with K3 and N1MM If interested contact me directly -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 08:02:14 2016 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:02:14 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Green Heron RT-21pp controller Message-ID: Hello I have a Green Heron RT-21pp controller for sale. Very few use, like new in original box This is the controller you need for the powerful rotor, K7NV Prop Pitch Asking $ 400.- + shipping from PA ,17543 If interested contact me directly -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 08:04:31 2016 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:04:31 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowne Plaza Dayton room available Message-ID: Hello I have a room, double bed, in the Crowne plaza, may 18 to 22 Rate is 145 + taxes Let me know if you want it and I will pass my reservation for you 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W From dick at elecraft.com Tue Apr 26 08:48:56 2016 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 05:48:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Need KAT500 firmware testers for KAT500 fw 01.75 Message-ID: <01ff01d19fba$0018be10$004a3a30$@elecraft.com> I've updated KAT500 firmware to behave a bit better when the ATU is informed of frequency change by a serial port F, FA, or MT command. I need a few KAT500 owners to verify that I haven't made any additional unplanned changes. If you're able to help test KAT500 firmware, please send e-mail to me directly, dick at elecraft.com. Thanks! 73 de Dick, K6KR From k9jri at mac.com Tue Apr 26 09:31:24 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:31:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Enable/Disable KX3 amplifier keying remotely? Message-ID: <1D87CA42-A844-40D3-BCDA-4E0FED0E73E7@mac.com> My KX3 keys an Ameritron ALS-600 (modified for low drive) via the ACC2 RCA Phono connector. I have looked but not found a way to enable/disable that amplifier keying lead remotely via any type of software command. Is something available within the existing software that I have overlooked? Michael Blake - K9JRI From n5xl at hotmail.com Tue Apr 26 09:44:07 2016 From: n5xl at hotmail.com (N5XL .) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 07:44:07 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery In-Reply-To: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Tom, I use my KX3 for portable SOTA activation extensively. I do not worry with internal batteries and instead, use a LiFePO4 battery exclusively. When I did my research a couple years ago, I came to the conclusion that for my style of operating, LiFePO4 technology is superior to regular Li-PO batteries when factors such as battery safety and KX3 safety (terminal voltage output) are taken into consideration. That said, there are a number of vendors that supply such a battery that would be suitable for use with the KX3, and you've already received one recommendation from the list using LiFePO4 technology cells. Here is my recommendation. http://www.batteryspace.com/lifepo4-26650-battery-12-8v-6-6ah-84wh-20a-rate-in-aluminum-box-with-pcb-7-92.aspx I decided on this model because the cells and charge controller are housed in a extruded aluminum enclosure for extra safety and the bare wire ends allowed me to configure it with powerpole connectors. Additionally, the black plastic top to the enclosure is removable should you ever have to go inside and replace the cells or the charge controller. I added powerpole connectors as to be able to plug the battery into something like a rigrunner for a DC power distribution hub for powering more than just the KX3 when in the field. I have two years so far on this pack with no problems to date. I usually get two to three days of SOTA type operation out of this battery when in field use. If I am powering other power hungry devices (charging my cell phone for example) simultaneously while using the KX3, I can easily get a full day plus. Just depends on how you operate and what you intend to power besides the KX3. Good luck 73 Dave N5XL From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Apr 26 10:53:13 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 07:53:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery In-Reply-To: <571F004E.7020400@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> <571EF6B0.4050209@audiosystemsgroup.com> <187B4B4E-9779-46E0-93F0-E079E5FFE9CF@wunderwood.org> <571F004E.7020400@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Well, yes, that would be the fundamental difference between rechargeable and non-rechargeable batteries. It wasn?t clear whether the original post was about car camping or backpacking, so I offered the lightest solution. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Apr 25, 2016, at 10:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Mon,4/25/2016 10:33 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >> You could carry 9 Ah of non-rechargeable AA?s for less weight (12 oz.) than 3 Ah of rechargeable LiFePO4. > > Yes, BUT -- you can recharge the LiFePO4 batteries 2,000 times. Those non-rechargeable batteries can be used only once. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 11:04:25 2016 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:04:25 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Crowne Plaza Dayton room available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi the room is no more available, I passed the room to the first answer I received thanks, Jorge 2016-04-26 9:04 GMT-03:00 Jorge Diez - CX6VM : > Hello > > I have a room, double bed, in the Crowne plaza, may 18 to 22 > > Rate is 145 + taxes > > Let me know if you want it and I will pass my reservation for you > > > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > -- 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W From ormandj at corenode.com Tue Apr 26 11:54:20 2016 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:54:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - How to enable RF output meter? Stuck in ALC display Message-ID: Hi, I tried tapping the keyer/mic button to change the display to RF output from ALC while in USB and LSB modes, and it doesn't switch over. I seem to remember this working before. I am on the latest firmware. Is there a trick to this I'm missing? Thank you, David From eric.csuf at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 12:31:16 2016 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:31:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571EF5D1.1040601@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> <01d201d19f4e$500fe720$f02fb560$@maine.rr.com> <571EF5D1.1040601@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <77c195fe-8a4c-7e76-8752-99342ff78ca4@gmail.com> Of course it is a big advantage. It's one of the reasons I've owned Elecraft rigs since I first became aware of them and currently have two K2s and a K1-4. I'd own a K3 if I didn't find the K2 perfectly satisfactory for my casual operating interests. I stand by what I said. Comparisons between Elecraft and other amateur manufacturers are unfair, apples to oranges, in large part because of the personal interaction of Eric and Wayne with those of us who enjoy their products. In 60 years on the air I've had the chance to own or operate most of what has been offered. Except for my Drake 2B, my K1 is still my personal favorite, and the K2 close behind. Eric KE6US On 4/25/2016 10:00 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > A big advantage of owning an Elecraft radio is that you CAN > communicate directly with the Owners and Chief Engineer, they will > listen to what you have to say, and often modify/upgrade their > products based on what they hear from US! Try that with ICOM. Or > Yaesu. Or Kenwood. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Mon,4/25/2016 6:19 PM, EricJ wrote: >> The fact that you are having this conversation directly with one of >> the owners/designers of Elecraft and not one of the owners of ICOM is >> always going to make comparisons inherently unfair. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric_csuf at hotmail.com > > From rfriess at usa.net Tue Apr 26 12:52:17 2016 From: rfriess at usa.net (Robert Friess) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:52:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Subjecting W2 V/UHF Sensor to more than 200W In-Reply-To: <9387BF38-13DB-4541-837C-014D361BFE6F@Alphadene.co.uk> References: <9387BF38-13DB-4541-837C-014D361BFE6F@Alphadene.co.uk> Message-ID: Exceed by how much? Bob On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:27 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF < M0XDF at alphadene.co.uk> wrote: > Not that I?m planning to do that, but does anyone know it?s max tolerance > over a few seconds if one was to exceed the 200W by mistake? > 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) > -- > The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose > from. -Andrew Tannenbaum, computer science professor (1944- ) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rfriess at usa.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Apr 26 12:59:36 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:59:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery In-Reply-To: References: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <571F9E78.50203@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,4/26/2016 6:44 AM, N5XL . wrote: > Here is my recommendation. > > http://www.batteryspace.com/lifepo4-26650-battery-12-8v-6-6ah-84wh-20a-rate-in-aluminum-box-with-pcb-7-92.aspx My neighbor, W6GJB, bought a 20Ah battery from them a year ago and was quite pleased both with the battery and the company. Their quality, range, and cost of their products, as well as their attitude, are quite comparable to Bioenno Power, the other one cited. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Apr 26 13:02:05 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:02:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <77c195fe-8a4c-7e76-8752-99342ff78ca4@gmail.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> <01d201d19f4e$500fe720$f02fb560$@maine.rr.com> <571EF5D1.1040601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <77c195fe-8a4c-7e76-8752-99342ff78ca4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <571F9F0D.6080101@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,4/26/2016 9:31 AM, EricJ wrote: > I stand by what I said. Comparisons between Elecraft and other amateur > manufacturers are unfair, apples to oranges, in large part because of > the personal interaction of Eric and Wayne with those of us who enjoy > their products. I don't think the comparison is at all unfair -- the owners of ICOM, Yaesu, and Kenwood can just as easily have the same level of communication with their customers IF THEY WANT TO. 73, Jim K9YC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 26 11:10:41 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:10:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Enable/Disable KX3 amplifier keying remotely? In-Reply-To: <1D87CA42-A844-40D3-BCDA-4E0FED0E73E7@mac.com> References: <1D87CA42-A844-40D3-BCDA-4E0FED0E73E7@mac.com> Message-ID: <737a4cc2-a301-f31e-1d8d-9691bd732476@embarqmail.com> Michael, The Keyout on most transceivers including the KX3 is active at all times, so you will have to invent an external way to open it. I switch in series with the line is the easiest solution I know of. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/26/2016 9:31 AM, Michael Blake wrote: > My KX3 keys an Ameritron ALS-600 (modified for low drive) via the ACC2 RCA Phono connector. I have looked but not found a way to enable/disable that amplifier keying lead remotely via any type of software command. Is something available within the existing software that I have overlooked? > > Michael Blake - K9JRI > > From davidahrendts at me.com Tue Apr 26 13:46:15 2016 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:46:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT April 17th Solar Flare Captured in 4K by NASA (Video) Message-ID: <86118DA0-E2C5-40B5-8036-1D88F9CA17F7@me.com> So this is the beast that has disrupted everything over the last week! http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/sdo-captures-stunning-view-of-april-17-solar-flare David A., KK6DA, Los Angeles David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From dl1sdz at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 13:50:04 2016 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:50:04 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KxAtu and T1 VSWR? Message-ID: Hello, in another thread was said, that the auto-tuner of the new Icom had a 3:1 VSWR. I was looking up and down the net and didn't find any comparable figures for the KxATu and the T1. I know that I can match a wet towel, so could someone enlighten me and give some numbers? ?73 de ? Hajo ? DL1SDZ? --- Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk Tue Apr 26 13:55:06 2016 From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:55:06 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Subjecting W2 V/UHF Sensor to more than 200W In-Reply-To: References: <9387BF38-13DB-4541-837C-014D361BFE6F@Alphadene.co.uk> Message-ID: <619D8B74-AEBD-4384-9313-FE2CF0A5327D@Alphadene.co.uk> I don?t know, potentially by 100W, but I?m looking to know what might be ok. Thank everyone who calls out your faults, your anger, your impatience, your egotism; do this consciously, voluntarily. -Jean Toomer, poet and novelist (1894-1967) > On 26 Apr 2016, at 17:52, Robert Friess wrote: > > Exceed by how much? > > Bob > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:27 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF > wrote: > Not that I?m planning to do that, but does anyone know it?s max tolerance over a few seconds if one was to exceed the 200W by mistake? > 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) > -- > The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose > from. -Andrew Tannenbaum, computer science professor (1944- ) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rfriess at usa.net From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 26 13:58:45 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:58:45 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - How to enable RF output meter? Stuck in ALC display In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7497B30B-9F45-4BFD-A091-D61FA7A5C67A@yahoo.co.uk> David, This happens when SSB + CW is enabled. In CW WGHT menu tap 1 to toggle between SSB+CW (enabled) and SSB - CW Tapping Keyer/Mic knob toggles between Keyer speed and Mic Gain rather than Meter Scales CMP/ALC and SWR/RF. The CMP/ALC scale is still shown temporarily when CMP or Mic Gain are adjusted. You can switch to DATA mode then change meter scales by tapping Keyer/mic knob then go back to SSB. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 26 Apr 2016, at 16:54, David Orman wrote: > > Hi, > > I tried tapping the keyer/mic button to change the display to RF output > from ALC while in USB and LSB modes, and it doesn't switch over. I seem to > remember this working before. I am on the latest firmware. Is there a trick > to this I'm missing? > > Thank you, > David > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From rfriess at usa.net Tue Apr 26 14:03:27 2016 From: rfriess at usa.net (Robert Friess) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:03:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Subjecting W2 V/UHF Sensor to more than 200W In-Reply-To: <619D8B74-AEBD-4384-9313-FE2CF0A5327D@Alphadene.co.uk> References: <9387BF38-13DB-4541-837C-014D361BFE6F@Alphadene.co.uk> <619D8B74-AEBD-4384-9313-FE2CF0A5327D@Alphadene.co.uk> Message-ID: 300 watts for a second or two will do no harm. Bob, N6CM Designer of the Sensor On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:55 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF < M0XDF at alphadene.co.uk> wrote: > I don?t know, potentially by 100W, but I?m looking to know what might be > ok. > Thank everyone who calls out your faults, your anger, your impatience, > your egotism; do this consciously, voluntarily. > -Jean Toomer, poet and novelist (1894-1967) > > On 26 Apr 2016, at 17:52, Robert Friess wrote: > > Exceed by how much? > > Bob > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:27 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF < > M0XDF at alphadene.co.uk> wrote: > >> Not that I?m planning to do that, but does anyone know it?s max tolerance >> over a few seconds if one was to exceed the 200W by mistake? >> 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) >> -- >> The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose >> from. -Andrew Tannenbaum, computer science professor (1944- ) >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rfriess at usa.net > > > > From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk Tue Apr 26 14:11:32 2016 From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:11:32 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Subjecting W2 V/UHF Sensor to more than 200W In-Reply-To: References: <9387BF38-13DB-4541-837C-014D361BFE6F@Alphadene.co.uk> <619D8B74-AEBD-4384-9313-FE2CF0A5327D@Alphadene.co.uk> Message-ID: <21EAD263-2BDE-43AA-B69D-6A6BD97341A8@Alphadene.co.uk> Thank you Bob, that is potentially the max output from the amp - but I?m planning on driving it from an XV144 (which I haven?t built yet) and will set that for a lower output, so I don?t get more than 200W on the sensor at the mast head 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) -- As a well spent day brings happy sleep, so life well used brings happy death. -Leonardo da Vinci, painter, engineer, musician, and scientist (1452-1519) > On 26 Apr 2016, at 19:03, Robert Friess wrote: > > 300 watts for a second or two will do no harm. > > Bob, N6CM > > Designer of the Sensor > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 10:55 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF > wrote: > I don?t know, potentially by 100W, but I?m looking to know what might be ok. > Thank everyone who calls out your faults, your anger, your impatience, your egotism; do this consciously, voluntarily. > -Jean Toomer, poet and novelist (1894-1967) > >> On 26 Apr 2016, at 17:52, Robert Friess > wrote: >> >> Exceed by how much? >> >> Bob >> >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:27 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF > wrote: >> Not that I?m planning to do that, but does anyone know it?s max tolerance over a few seconds if one was to exceed the 200W by mistake? >> 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) >> -- >> The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose >> from. -Andrew Tannenbaum, computer science professor (1944- ) >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rfriess at usa.net > > From ctate at ewnetinc.com Tue Apr 26 14:14:25 2016 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:14:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571F9F0D.6080101@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> <01d201d19f4e$500fe720$f02fb560$@maine.rr.com> <571EF5D1.1040601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <77c195fe-8a4c-7e76-8752-99342ff78ca4@gmail.com>, <571F9F0D.6080101@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD125ED7E1@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Interesting conversation. There are 2 800 lb gorillas at the top of the list one of them is Elecraft and many Elecraft peripherals such as the KPA500 and KAT500, W2 etc work great with the other. I own several radios from both companies. they are both awesome. They both have similar management and engineer interaction and support. Neither of them are Yaesu, Kenwood or Icom. They are both great in their own right but they are definitely different animals (or fruits.. as in apples and oranges) and have different advantages and disadvantages. IC 7300 is in a completely different class. I am fortunate to have both top platforms to play with. I am looking forward to playing with a Kpod soon! Chris N6WM ________________________________________ From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Jim Brown [jim at audiosystemsgroup.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 10:02 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated On Tue,4/26/2016 9:31 AM, EricJ wrote: > I stand by what I said. Comparisons between Elecraft and other amateur > manufacturers are unfair, apples to oranges, in large part because of > the personal interaction of Eric and Wayne with those of us who enjoy > their products. I don't think the comparison is at all unfair -- the owners of ICOM, Yaesu, and Kenwood can just as easily have the same level of communication with their customers IF THEY WANT TO. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 26 14:16:16 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:16:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Subjecting W2 V/UHF Sensor to more than 200W In-Reply-To: <619D8B74-AEBD-4384-9313-FE2CF0A5327D@Alphadene.co.uk> References: <9387BF38-13DB-4541-837C-014D361BFE6F@Alphadene.co.uk> <619D8B74-AEBD-4384-9313-FE2CF0A5327D@Alphadene.co.uk> Message-ID: <3f216c92-630f-f898-bad1-61d72ddfe65f@embarqmail.com> David, I doubt that Elecraft has subjected it to destructive testing, but rates their products on the conservative side. I would guess that it will survive occasional excessive power (like accidental short term), but I would not subject it to those levels on a regular basis. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/26/2016 1:55 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: > I don?t know, potentially by 100W, but I?m looking to know what might be ok. > From w1pdi at aol.com Tue Apr 26 14:18:05 2016 From: w1pdi at aol.com (TFJM) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 11:18:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery In-Reply-To: <571F9E78.50203@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> <571F9E78.50203@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <9EFC4107-83E3-4A79-B398-2D835856BCA8@aol.com> Thanks Jim Do you know if this battery includes Battery Mgmt System? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 26, 2016, at 1:01 PM, Jim Brown-10 [via Elecraft] wrote: > > On Tue,4/26/2016 6:44 AM, N5XL . wrote: > > Here is my recommendation. > > > > http://www.batteryspace.com/lifepo4-26650-battery-12-8v-6-6ah-84wh-20a-rate-in-aluminum-box-with-pcb-7-92.aspx > > My neighbor, W6GJB, bought a 20Ah battery from them a year ago and was > quite pleased both with the battery and the company. Their quality, > range, and cost of their products, as well as their attitude, are quite > comparable to Bioenno Power, the other one cited. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Suggested-External-Battery-tp7616683p7616722.html > To unsubscribe from KX3 Suggested External Battery, click here. > NAML -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Suggested-External-Battery-tp7616683p7616732.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 26 14:27:42 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:27:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KxAtu and T1 VSWR? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hajo, The T1 tuner has a wide range. The total matching range will be greater on high bands and less on lower bands. Both the T1 and the KXAT1 (and other tuners) specify the matching range in terms of the maximum L and C available. That is a more exact way of stating the range than stating SWR capability. The KXAT1 is the most limited because it has only 3 inductors and 3 capacitors to choose from. It is optimized for the antenna shown in the KXAT1 manual. On 80 meters it may need some extra help with a series or parallel inductor or capacitor external to the tuner. If you are really ambitious, you could take the maximum inductance and capacity and run it through the formulas for an L network and obtain the matching capability for any frequency. The inductors are series elements and the capacitors are shunt elements which can be switched from either the input side or the output side. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/26/2016 1:50 PM, Hajo Dezelski wrote: > Hello, > > in another thread was said, that the auto-tuner of the new Icom had a 3:1 > VSWR. I was looking up and down the net and didn't find any comparable > figures for the KxATu and the T1. > > I know that I can match a wet towel, so could someone enlighten me and give > some numbers? > > From WB4SON at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 14:33:35 2016 From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:33:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD125ED7E1@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> <01d201d19f4e$500fe720$f02fb560$@maine.rr.com> <571EF5D1.1040601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <77c195fe-8a4c-7e76-8752-99342ff78ca4@gmail.com> <571F9F0D.6080101@audiosystemsgroup.com> <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD125ED7E1@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: I think Chris has hit it on the head. Looking at a high-performance direct sampling rig vs. a high-performance superhet with digital features is looking at "definitely different animals". Exactly the same sort of problem that comes from a question that begins "if you could have only one...". I love my K3, but own a Flex 1500 as well (dipped my toe in to test the water). I could happily live with only the K3. However, I haven't jumped into the different world of the Flex 6700. I suspect if I did, I wouldn't want to part with either of them. They are different tools -- each excels in certain situations. The key thing that strikes me as a real advantage of Elecraft is how well an old K3 performs when upgraded. You can't do that to a Flex 1500/3000/5000. Elecraft is the only company that consistently looks after their customer base by providing continuous improvements. 73, Bob, WB4SON From dl1sdz at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 15:09:02 2016 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:09:02 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KxAtu and T1 VSWR? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Don, thanks for your prompt replay. I already thought, that it would not be so easy. So I have to understand the formula and afterwards will do the math ... this may take a while. ?73 de Hajo ? DL1SDZ? --- Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. From thelastdb at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 15:16:06 2016 From: thelastdb at gmail.com (thelastdb) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:16:06 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery Message-ID: <0r0pe7vbxdiidxn4irj1disr.1461698166046@email.android.com> No Batteryspace.com batteries are balanced unless you specifically request a custom pack with balancing. But they call it equilibrium.? Myron WV?HPrinted on Recycled Data?-------- Original message --------From: TFJM via Elecraft Date: 4/26/2016 12:18 PM (GMT-07:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery Thanks Jim Do you know if this battery includes Battery Mgmt System? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 26, 2016, at 1:01 PM, Jim Brown-10 [via Elecraft] wrote: > > On Tue,4/26/2016 6:44 AM, N5XL . wrote: > > Here is my recommendation. > > > > http://www.batteryspace.com/lifepo4-26650-battery-12-8v-6-6ah-84wh-20a-rate-in-aluminum-box-with-pcb-7-92.aspx > > My neighbor, W6GJB, bought a 20Ah battery from them a year ago and was > quite pleased both with the battery and the company. Their quality,?? > range, and cost of their products, as well as their attitude, are quite > comparable to Bioenno Power, the other one cited. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Suggested-External-Battery-tp7616683p7616722.html > To unsubscribe from KX3 Suggested External Battery, click here. > NAML -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Suggested-External-Battery-tp7616683p7616732.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to thelastdb at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Apr 26 15:33:16 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:33:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Suggested External Battery In-Reply-To: <9EFC4107-83E3-4A79-B398-2D835856BCA8@aol.com> References: <1461628654500-7616683.post@n2.nabble.com> <571F9E78.50203@audiosystemsgroup.com> <9EFC4107-83E3-4A79-B398-2D835856BCA8@aol.com> Message-ID: <571FC27C.9070701@audiosystemsgroup.com> Hi Dave, Most batteries from this company and all from Bioenno Power include the electronics to balance charge between the cells. For Battery Space, study the poop sheet for the battery you're looking at to confirm that it's there. LiFePO4 batteries need specially designed chargers, and both companies will sell you one if you want it. Both also sell chargers for use with solar panels. I strongly recommend the Genasun charge regulators, which are RF quiet. Buy them direct from Genasun for the lowest price. 73, Jim K9YC On Tue,4/26/2016 11:18 AM, TFJM via Elecraft wrote: > Do you know if this battery includes Battery Mgmt System? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> >On Apr 26, 2016, at 1:01 PM, Jim Brown-10 [via Elecraft] wrote: >> > >> >On Tue,4/26/2016 6:44 AM, N5XL . wrote: >>> > >Here is my recommendation. >>> > > >>> > >http://www.batteryspace.com/lifepo4-26650-battery-12-8v-6-6ah-84wh-20a-rate-in-aluminum-box-with-pcb-7-92.aspx >> > >> >My neighbor, W6GJB, bought a 20Ah battery from them a year ago and was >> >quite pleased both with the battery and the company. Their quality, >> >range, and cost of their products, as well as their attitude, are quite >> >comparable to Bioenno Power, the other one cited. >> > From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 15:37:48 2016 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:37:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 with KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would agree with the ext temp compensation. It is the right thing to do and let's the onboard computer handle the drift variations for you. I don't have the xg50, which is recommended. I tried the wwv approach and that did not work, even when wwv was coming in fairly strong at s7. I watched the collection on the kx3utility and it was good on the third try, no gaps or fades that caused the beat frequency to be read incorrectly. However, I have returned to the standard compensation as opposed to what I attempted to do with wwv and the extended temp compensation. I did it three times and all results were worse than the standard. I will try to build a stable frequency oscillator or perhaps purchase the xg50 so I can do the temp compensation properly. The standard compensation seems to work ok. There is still drift, but not as bad. Once the oscillator has warmed up, the standard compensation seems to do a decent job. But, my experience is like yours, I can see the drift on the wsjtx program waterfall and in some cases it is 8-11hz. I have to pay attention when I run wsjtx as the person I am calling may not answer me on the frequency I answered them on. P.S. My clock is set from the Internet and I am not sure how that equates to drift that one sees on the waterfall. Most of those I return a call to are only out by 0.2 - 1.2 seconds. The clock sync doesn't seem to have anything to do with drift that one sees on the waterfall. But I am prepared to be educated if someone can demonstrate drift to time sync correlation. Regards Brian VE3IBW On Monday, 25 April 2016, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Keith, > > Have you done the Extended Temperature Compensation procedure on that KX3? > If not, you should do that. It should reduce that drift due to > temperature significantly. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 4/25/2016 6:34 PM, Keith Onishi wrote: > >> I am experiencing some frequency drift on operating JT65 with KX3 + >> KXPA100. I was reported that my signal drifted 5 to 8Hz drift during my >> transmission and noticed almost same amount of drift during my receiving >> period. >> Output power was 20W with KXPA100. OSC temp shows 36C on receiving and >> 39C on transmitting. >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brian.waterworth at gmail.com > From pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl Tue Apr 26 15:52:31 2016 From: pe1bsb at zendamateur.nl (William@zendamateur.nl) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:52:31 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Emailing: IMG_3138 Message-ID: <026001d19ff5$2bb7e150$8327a3f0$@zendamateur.nl> Dear Elecraft team Consider This K2 with serial 06073 build... Still standard, options wil follow Have had already lots of fun. Regards William PE1BSB From turnbull at net1.ie Tue Apr 26 15:53:02 2016 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:53:02 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com><1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com><571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com><260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com><01d201d19f4e$500fe720$f02fb560$@maine.rr.com><571EF5D1.1040601@audiosystemsgroup.com><77c195fe-8a4c-7e76-8752-99342ff78ca4@gmail.com><571F9F0D.6080101@audiosystemsgroup.com><236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD125ED7E1@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: Dear OMs and YLs, I think Bob says it well. How can you compare a fine radio like the 7300 with a loaded K3. They are not the same yet the 7300 will probably work most of the DX that the K3 will for less money. A Cadillac is no more functional than a Chevy. They both go from A to B. Okay, I would prefer a Porsche but it does the same thing but in a more stylish and exciting manner. Your pocketbook decides. A good few hams have both Flex and Elecraft radios - we are fortunate to see these newer USA companies providing such good products. For now I am an Elecraft man and suspect this will be the case till the pine box but different strokes for different folks. A TS930 will still do a good job on HF CW. Let us not seriously compare an entry level radio with the K3 and at the same time do not let the previous KX3 and K3 Sherwood ratings lead one to believe that the KX3 is a better radio than the K3. One needs to consider the whole package and yes Elecraft provides the magic of allowing access to the principle design engineers. I sure do like this company. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sent: 26 April 2016 18:34 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated I think Chris has hit it on the head. Looking at a high-performance direct sampling rig vs. a high-performance superhet with digital features is looking at "definitely different animals". Exactly the same sort of problem that comes from a question that begins "if you could have only one...". I love my K3, but own a Flex 1500 as well (dipped my toe in to test the water). I could happily live with only the K3. However, I haven't jumped into the different world of the Flex 6700. I suspect if I did, I wouldn't want to part with either of them. They are different tools -- each excels in certain situations. The key thing that strikes me as a real advantage of Elecraft is how well an old K3 performs when upgraded. You can't do that to a Flex 1500/3000/5000. Elecraft is the only company that consistently looks after their customer base by providing continuous improvements. 73, Bob, WB4SON ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From ormandj at corenode.com Tue Apr 26 16:06:17 2016 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:06:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - How to enable RF output meter? Stuck in ALC display In-Reply-To: <7497B30B-9F45-4BFD-A091-D61FA7A5C67A@yahoo.co.uk> References: <7497B30B-9F45-4BFD-A091-D61FA7A5C67A@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Perfect, I'm positive I have SSB+CW enabled right now. I'll go disable and test again. Thank you so much for the quick answer! Respectfully, David On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 12:58 PM, David Anderson wrote: > David, > > This happens when SSB + CW is enabled. In CW WGHT menu tap 1 to toggle > between SSB+CW (enabled) and SSB - CW > > Tapping Keyer/Mic knob toggles between Keyer speed and Mic Gain rather > than Meter Scales CMP/ALC and SWR/RF. The CMP/ALC scale is still shown > temporarily when CMP or Mic Gain are adjusted. > > You can switch to DATA mode then change meter scales by tapping Keyer/mic > knob then go back to SSB. > > > 73 from David GM4JJJ > > > On 26 Apr 2016, at 16:54, David Orman wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I tried tapping the keyer/mic button to change the display to RF output > > from ALC while in USB and LSB modes, and it doesn't switch over. I seem > to > > remember this working before. I am on the latest firmware. Is there a > trick > > to this I'm missing? > > > > Thank you, > > David > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk > > From rodenkirch_llc at msn.com Tue Apr 26 16:09:22 2016 From: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com (Jim Rodenkirch) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:09:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1461701362427-7616743.post@n2.nabble.com> Don: requiring a wide ranging ATU is half of the question, Don!! What is truly "significant" is this - many hams, new or otherwise, fail to understand whether they really need an ATU in the shack or do they really, REALLY need an ATU out at the antenna. For me, THAT's the mystifying piece of the "ATU question" that always shows up..... 71.5/72 de Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV Don Wilhelm wrote > Wunder, > > The only reason I can understand is that they can get away by stating > that they have an internal ATU. Sadly many hams (particularly newer > hams) gloss over the significance of the need for a wide range ATU. > They don't discover that they need an external tuner for their > "multiband" antenna until after they buy the transceiver and discover > that it is inadequate. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 4/25/2016 7:25 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Wayne Burdick < > n6kr@ > > wrote: >>> >>> - *Wide-range ATU (> 10:1 at 100 W; > 20:1 at low power) and two >>> antenna jacks >> I am really mystified about why transceivers include a 3:1 range ATU. It >> adds $150-200 to the end cost to get an external ATU. It might add $50-75 >> to make the internal ATU wide-range. It is especially odd for an >> entry-level rig, where people are likely to be using a low-slung dipole. >> OK, it is very strange for the IC-7851, too. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sherwood-s-receiver-performance-table-updated-tp7616652p7616743.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jdwalkerjr at aol.com Tue Apr 26 16:12:54 2016 From: jdwalkerjr at aol.com (James D. (Jimmy) Walker, Jr.) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:12:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Message-ID: I?ve enjoyed this thread comparing the K-3 line with the IC-7300. Have the K-3 with the P-3 Panadapter. However, I?m going to try purchase the IC-7300 in Dayton. What interests me most in the IC-7300 is the ability for direct entry of a frequency by touching the waterfall display. The P-3 does not offer that feature, and I?m told that it will not be available. With due regard to the superior performance of the K-3 receivers, I believe that state of the art now requires a more responsive Panadapter for the casual operator. BTW, I?m not expecting to part with my K-3. Jimmy, WA4ILO From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Apr 26 16:25:40 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:25:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> <01d201d19f4e$500fe720$f02fb560$@maine.rr.com> <571EF5D1.1040601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <77c195fe-8a4c-7e76-8752-99342ff78ca4@gmail.com> <571F9F0D.6080101@audiosystemsgroup.com> <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD125ED7E1@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: <571FCEC4.8050503@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,4/26/2016 12:53 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > Dear OMs and YLs, > I think Bob says it well. How can you compare a fine radio like the > 7300 with a loaded K3. How do we KNOW that it's a "fine radio?" I haven't seen a review by ARRL or RSGB. We have only Rob's measurements of the RECEIVER. > They are not the same yet the 7300 will probably > work most of the DX that the K3 will for less money. A Cadillac is no > more functional than a Chevy. They both go from A to B. Okay, I would > prefer a Porsche but it does the same thing but in a more stylish and > exciting manner. Your pocketbook decides. Yep. > A good few hams have both Flex and Elecraft radios - we are fortunate > to see these newer USA companies providing such good products. For now I > am an Elecraft man and suspect this will be the case till the pine box but > different strokes for different folks. A TS930 will still do a good job > on HF CW. Let us not seriously compare an entry level radio with the K3 > and at the same time do not let the previous KX3 and K3 Sherwood ratings > lead one to believe that the KX3 is a better radio than the K3. One needs > to consider the whole package and yes Elecraft provides the magic of > allowing access to the principle design engineers. Well said, Doug. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Apr 26 16:29:41 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:29:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,4/26/2016 1:12 PM, James D. (Jimmy) Walker, Jr. via Elecraft wrote: > What interests me most in the IC-7300 is the ability for direct entry of a frequency by touching the waterfall display. To the accuracy of the width of your finger. :) I looked at the 7300 at Visalia. Nice LOOKING radio at an entry level price. > The P-3 does not offer that feature, While it doesn't have a touch screen, direct frequency entry can be done by moving the marker to the blip on the screen and pushing the Menu button. And to FAR greater precision. 73, Jim K9YC From phystad at mac.com Tue Apr 26 16:40:25 2016 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:40:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I find it interesting that a ?touch? interface seems to be popular with radios and some users. It is certainly useful on a device like a smart phone and even a pad and some other kinds of interfaces (e.g. bank ATM screen). But, a touch screen for a radio that already has uses for actual dials and buttons seems to me to be unnecessary. And, that does not even consider the fact that touch screens need to be periodically cleaned from oily finger prints. Of course, this is indeed an unsolicited opinion and comment. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Apr 26, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Tue,4/26/2016 1:12 PM, James D. (Jimmy) Walker, Jr. via Elecraft wrote: >> What interests me most in the IC-7300 is the ability for direct entry of a frequency by touching the waterfall display. > > To the accuracy of the width of your finger. :) I looked at the 7300 at Visalia. Nice LOOKING radio at an entry level price. > >> The P-3 does not offer that feature, > > While it doesn't have a touch screen, direct frequency entry can be done by moving the marker to the blip on the screen and pushing the Menu button. And to FAR greater precision. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Apr 26 16:45:04 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 13:45:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <11206124-250F-45EE-9874-85193A80FAB3@elecraft.com> The P3 also has far more screen height dedicated to the spectrum and waterfall displays, I believe. Aren't the 7300's displays a total of only 1/2" or 1" tall, depending on the display mode? Wayne On Apr 26, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Tue,4/26/2016 1:12 PM, James D. (Jimmy) Walker, Jr. via Elecraft wrote: >> What interests me most in the IC-7300 is the ability for direct entry of a frequency by touching the waterfall display. > > To the accuracy of the width of your finger. :) I looked at the 7300 at Visalia. Nice LOOKING radio at an entry level price. > >> The P-3 does not offer that feature, > > While it doesn't have a touch screen, direct frequency entry can be done by moving the marker to the blip on the screen and pushing the Menu button. And to FAR greater precision. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From jkramer at iafrica.com Tue Apr 26 17:13:12 2016 From: jkramer at iafrica.com (John Kramer) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:13:12 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571FCEC4.8050503@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> <01d201d19f4e$500fe720$f02fb560$@maine.rr.com> <571EF5D1.1040601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <77c195fe-8a4c-7e76-8752-99342ff78ca4@gmail.com> <571F9F0D.6080101@audiosystemsgroup.com> <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD125ED7E1@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> <571FCEC4.8050503@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <85DE173F-A401-4DEC-A2BF-EF3EB1D612EF@iafrica.com> I own Elecraft, Flex and for the past few weeks an IC-7300. Yes, Jim, it is a fine radio, I have personally experienced this and own a KX3 and 3 Flex rigs to compare it with. And, for what it costs, it is a damn fine rig. I don?t know of any other rig currently available that is such good value for money. Perhaps the K3S would be better in terms of performance?but for the money, the IC-7300 is very capable, and has a brilliant UI. 73 John How do we KNOW that it's a "fine radio?" I haven't seen a review by ARRL or RSGB. We have only Rob's measurements of the RECEIVER. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jkramer at iafrica.com From jkramer at iafrica.com Tue Apr 26 17:15:13 2016 From: jkramer at iafrica.com (John Kramer) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:15:13 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <11206124-250F-45EE-9874-85193A80FAB3@elecraft.com> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <11206124-250F-45EE-9874-85193A80FAB3@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <9F4D05DE-EE63-46CD-9611-02CDA36E96CC@iafrica.com> Jim, you don?t have to use your finger, you can use a stylus if you are pedantic about accuracy :) and if you are a few hertz off, it just takes a gentle nudge of the VFO to get it spot on. 73 John On 26 Apr 2016, at 9:45 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: The P3 also has far more screen height dedicated to the spectrum and waterfall displays, I believe. Aren't the 7300's displays a total of only 1/2" or 1" tall, depending on the display mode? Wayne On Apr 26, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Tue,4/26/2016 1:12 PM, James D. (Jimmy) Walker, Jr. via Elecraft wrote: >> What interests me most in the IC-7300 is the ability for direct entry of a frequency by touching the waterfall display. > > To the accuracy of the width of your finger. :) I looked at the 7300 at Visalia. Nice LOOKING radio at an entry level price. > >> The P-3 does not offer that feature, > > While it doesn't have a touch screen, direct frequency entry can be done by moving the marker to the blip on the screen and pushing the Menu button. And to FAR greater precision. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jkramer at iafrica.com From jkramer at iafrica.com Tue Apr 26 17:16:20 2016 From: jkramer at iafrica.com (John Kramer) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:16:20 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Phil, in reality having a touch screen is not all that bad as you make out. You really need to try it. An advantage is that it reduces the clutter on the front panel of a rig, by assigning knobs/buttons to the display screen. The one used in the IC-7300 is really good - sensitive to the touch, but not quite as sensitive as some smartphones. The display of the 7300 is a major leap forward from older generation 7600, 7700 rigs. Very clear and responsive. And smear marks on the screen ? absolutely not - I have had my 7300 for 2 weeks now, and have not yet had the need to clean the display - the display is not that glossy mirror finish like smart phones have. Besides?I prod my touch phone FAR more than I touch the screen of my 7300, and I have no problem with finger marks on my phone?.maybe once a month I might clean my phone with a lint cloth?no big deal. Perhaps I might clean my 7300 display once every 3 months at this rate?no biggie 73 John On 26 Apr 2016, at 9:40 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: I find it interesting that a ?touch? interface seems to be popular with radios and some users. It is certainly useful on a device like a smart phone and even a pad and some other kinds of interfaces (e.g. bank ATM screen). But, a touch screen for a radio that already has uses for actual dials and buttons seems to me to be unnecessary. And, that does not even consider the fact that touch screens need to be periodically cleaned from oily finger prints. Of course, this is indeed an unsolicited opinion and comment. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Apr 26, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Tue,4/26/2016 1:12 PM, James D. (Jimmy) Walker, Jr. via Elecraft wrote: >> What interests me most in the IC-7300 is the ability for direct entry of a frequency by touching the waterfall display. > > To the accuracy of the width of your finger. :) I looked at the 7300 at Visalia. Nice LOOKING radio at an entry level price. > >> The P-3 does not offer that feature, > > While it doesn't have a touch screen, direct frequency entry can be done by moving the marker to the blip on the screen and pushing the Menu button. And to FAR greater precision. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jkramer at iafrica.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 26 17:21:49 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:21:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <1461701362427-7616743.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> <1461701362427-7616743.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <75846b05-b2ea-a0d5-cd8b-5ae67425e609@embarqmail.com> Jim, The problem with your question is that the answer really is "it all depends". If the feedline from the antenna is short and relatively low loss, then the ATU in the shack is fine. Or if the feedline is very low loss (say open wire line, well supported and away from conductors), then the length of the feedline does not matter much at all, and again the ATU in the shack is the more convenient answer. OTOH, if the feedline is coax, and the length is for instance 150 feet, then you would want to consider something at the antenna. Whether that is a remote ATU, or some type of fixed matching section to bring the antenna feedpoint impedance down to a range of 30 to 150 ohms would be in order. With the fixed matching section (antenna loading), you would also want to have an ATU in the shack. I have generalized on the antenna type - but the answer remains the same no matter what the antenna type. Look at a beam with a matching section at the driven element - that is one example of a fixed matching section, it will not likely be flat SWR over the entire band and an ATU in the shack can keep the PA transistors working into a 50 ohm load as you QSY. Another example of a fixed matching section is a matching inductor (and possibly capacitor) that is used on many of the popular 43 foot verticals - but you still need an ATU in the shack. One solution for a vertical antenna is to feed it with low loss parallel feedline. Before you scream 'heresy' because the vertical is unbalanced, there is nothing wrong with using a parallel feedline for a vertical, the RF will figure it out - the radials are merely the "other half" of the monopole. If your feedline run is long, consider using open wire line if you can, or ladderline as a close second. Yes, you need a current choke at the vertical antenna, and that takes care of the 'balance' situation - use a 1:1 choke, you are simply choking common mode current and not trying to match the impedance of the feedline. 73, Don W3FPR 73, Don W3FPR On 4/26/2016 4:09 PM, Jim Rodenkirch wrote: > Don: requiring a wide ranging ATU is half of the question, Don!! What is > truly "significant" is this - many hams, new or otherwise, fail to > understand whether they really need an ATU in the shack or do they really, > REALLY need an ATU out at the antenna. For me, THAT's the mystifying piece > of the "ATU question" that always shows up..... > > 71.5/72 de Jim Rodenkirch K9JWV > > > Don Wilhelm wrote >> Wunder, >> >> The only reason I can understand is that they can get away by stating >> that they have an internal ATU. Sadly many hams (particularly newer >> hams) gloss over the significance of the need for a wide range ATU. >> They don't discover that they need an external tuner for their >> "multiband" antenna until after they buy the transceiver and discover >> that it is inadequate. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 4/25/2016 7:25 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: >>>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Wayne Burdick < >> n6kr@ >> > wrote: >>>> - *Wide-range ATU (> 10:1 at 100 W; > 20:1 at low power) and two >>>> antenna jacks >>> I am really mystified about why transceivers include a 3:1 range ATU. It >>> adds $150-200 to the end cost to get an external ATU. It might add $50-75 >>> to make the internal ATU wide-range. It is especially odd for an >>> entry-level rig, where people are likely to be using a low-slung dipole. >>> OK, it is very strange for the IC-7851, too. >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto: >> Elecraft at .qth >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to >> lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sherwood-s-receiver-performance-table-updated-tp7616652p7616743.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From ron at cobi.biz Tue Apr 26 17:49:07 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:49:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m Install In-Reply-To: References: <001901d19f6a$2585cad0$70916070$@biz> Message-ID: <006001d1a005$75bb39e0$6131ada0$@biz> Thanks Bruce: If that capacitor is no longer an issue we don?t want to be asking builders to look for it, Hi! I?ll look into the TO-220 issue. As long as it?s tightly clamped by the screw, it should provide good heat transfer to the case. 73, Ron AC7AC From: Bruce Nourish [mailto:w0mbt at w0mbt.net] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 8:55 PM To: Ron D'Eau Claire; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 2m Install Yes, sorry, C180, not C120. Not that I'm complaining, its absence made assembly easier. Re: TO-220. If you look at Fig 24 (bottom of p28) in the instructions, you'll see TO-220 "leaning back" inwards from the side of the case, loosely held by the nylon screw. My TO-220 looked like that before I inserted the module -- so far so good. When I inserted the module, the transistor heat sink went into the gap between the top of TO-220 and the case. I wiggled it a bit until the hole in the heat sink, and the top hole of TO-220 approximately lined up. I was able to screw in the metal Phillips screw fine, so the heat sink should have a good connection to the case. But TO-220 was still "leaning back", meaning that the bottom hole of TO-220 was still at an angle. I tried unscrewing both screws, but the heatsink had wedged TO-220 firmly at that angle. Bruce On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 8:17 PM Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: Hi Bruce: Are talking about C180 near J4? I'll check into it. It won't be the first time the engineers made a change and didn't realize it impacted the assembly instructions (I'm 600 miles from Watsonville, but only milliseconds by voice and e-mail. Still that can be "light years" at times, Hi!) I'm not sure what could put the TO-220 screw at an angle. The TO-220 heat sink simply slips in between the retainer, which is then pulled tightly against the TO-220 heat sink and the side of the case. That's the critical part - good mechanical and thermal contact between the TO-220 heat sink and the side of the case. Have you tried loosening both screws and then re-tightening them? What comes to mind is that in tightening the top screw, the retainer might have turned slightly, misaligning the bottom screw in the hole. With everything in place. Loosen both screws a bit, then retighten the bottom (nylon) screw to hold the retainer, then tighten the top screw and see if things line up better. I'd appreciate hearing if that works either at my address on this message or ron at elecraft.com. 73. Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Nourish Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 5:37 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 2m Install Hi folks, Last night I installed and configured a KX3 2m module following the current instructions on the website (Rev C). My KX3 is a recent factory build. Everything seems to be working fine; I haven't actually tried it on-air yet (need to finish my 2m Moxon), but at least I didn't blow my rig up. I encountered one difference with the instructions: When installing the LO coax on J4, I could not find any capacitor C120 to avoid. My KX3 simply doesn't have C120 or R81 on that PCB. Has something changed in recent KX3s? The only hard part was the final installation, specifically clamping the heatsink lug properly with retainer TO-220. It seems like the clamping arrangement unavoidably puts the nylon bottom screw at a weird angle. I double-checked the orientation of TO-220 and redid these steps over several times, and couldn't figure out any other way to make it work. Is this right? If so, a clarification in the instructions would help. Bruce ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From ke6te.9 at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 17:55:04 2016 From: ke6te.9 at gmail.com (George Rebong) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:55:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE: P3 with P3SVGA & P3TXMON Message-ID: P3 Panadapter with P3SVGA & P3TXMON installed. Comes with HF 2000W Max directional coupler. Good condition. Selling to pay Medical bills. $950 shipped and insured. Call 916-600-2717 or Email me KE6TE at ARRL.NET. -- George Rebong KE6TE From wa6nhc at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 17:57:19 2016 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:57:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <11206124-250F-45EE-9874-85193A80FAB3@elecraft.com> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <11206124-250F-45EE-9874-85193A80FAB3@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <571FE43F.1090902@gmail.com> On 4/26/2016 1:45 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > The P3 also has far more screen height dedicated to the spectrum and waterfall displays, I believe. Aren't the 7300's displays a total of only 1/2" or 1" tall, depending on the display mode? > > Wayne > Something around that size yes (played with one but not here yet to verify). But that brings up another issue not mentioned. Most rigs sit on a table for easy access by the operator hand. That location does allow comfortable continuous viewing of the display for long term, even if the bale tips the radio up (for that it should be eye level). One can equate this to the KX3 on a tabletop. The 7300 display is a cute feature that should have had an external video out port. [A single antenna port is another shortcoming for HF/6M operations.] But that brings up a feature of the 7300; for $100 more (the one time expense of software shared with many other Icom radios) the display can be seen on a computer screen and the waterfall can be separate to the display. In fact the waterfall can be moved to a second computer screen while running the control software on the primary screen. The other added costs here are the computer and second screen, not trivial but ballpark of the P3 with SVGA and monitor. [One can use a sound card and the IQ from the KX3 too, cheaper still.] I like a filled toolbox and Elecraft is clearly my favorite brand. For home, I use the entire K3 line with reasonable DX success (272 entities worked from a dipole over the last few years). It's a well integrated collection that plays EXTREMELY well. While it isn't 'cheap' it is well worth the expense and I won't give it up (well maybe shift to a K3S later but for now no). While I'd love to duplicate the home station in the RV (sometimes as brutal traveling conditions as many DXpeditions), it's more practical (because of antenna limitations, weight, space and budget) to use something else. I considered the K3S/100 for the home station and moving the (stripped down) K3/100 with tuner to the RV. I looked at the KX3, PX3 and the amp (or even another amp brand). I looked at other brands too. The end goal is a decent, basic 100 watt radio that was low budget for FD and portable use with ability to use nearly anything for the antenna. The IC-7300 ($1425) with the AH-4 ($239) tuner (matches nearly any 23'+ wire 80-6M and if enough wire or near resonance for 160M, there too) compares to a K3S/100 with tuner for just above half the cost. Of course there are other options, brands etc. But unless something negative appears suddenly from the folks using them (i.e. if it barely meets transmitter cleanliness, horrendous key clicks) makes the Icom package hard to beat for a portable 100 watt second station (RV) given the current prices. For that environment, I'd rather beat up a cheaper radio in the RV than one that costs more. So it meets the needs; it's the correct tool for my need. [If the antenna is resonant, the internal tuner can be used; another 7300 feature is that at half power, the tuner is rated for 10:1 mismatch.] I don't expect the stellar K3 performance from the 7300; it's NOT Elecraft. However, I expect it to be more than 'adequate' and on the very rare occasion that I'm the DX, it will be fine. It may well have to be Elecraft on the other end to complete that QSO, we'll see. :-) If it turns out to be a poor choice, I can sell it at a slight loss or (more likely) I can put it in my kids place for his use and I'll operate it remotely. In any case, it's fun to play. 73, Rick wa6nhc From cautery at montac.com Tue Apr 26 18:01:14 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:01:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> Yep... Jim has it correct.... I regularly use Marker A and B to set frequencies. If I am doing it right, it sets to the exact frequency.... even though the P3 only shows to the 10 Hz resolution. And I don't have to put fingerprints on my screen/bezel... Why ANYONE wants to touch the screen they are VIEWING data on escapes me COMPLETELY. I want my screen ABSOLUTELY clean... ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 4/26/2016 3:29 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Tue,4/26/2016 1:12 PM, James D. (Jimmy) Walker, Jr. via Elecraft > wrote: >> What interests me most in the IC-7300 is the ability for direct entry >> of a frequency by touching the waterfall display. > > To the accuracy of the width of your finger. :) I looked at the 7300 > at Visalia. Nice LOOKING radio at an entry level price. > >> The P-3 does not offer that feature, > > While it doesn't have a touch screen, direct frequency entry can be > done by moving the marker to the blip on the screen and pushing the > Menu button. And to FAR greater precision. > > 73, Jim K9YC From edouard at lafargue.name Tue Apr 26 18:01:40 2016 From: edouard at lafargue.name (Edouard Lafargue) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:01:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Updated KX3 rig controller Message-ID: Hi everyone, Just a quick word to let you know that the update to Wizkers:Radio in the Play store (https://goo.gl/ngcRXe) and the Chrome store ( https://goo.gl/SzpjII) just went live. Two major new features in this version: - Enhanced KX3 settings. Including an experimental KX3 memory viewer, pending a complete editor in the next revision. This is, as far as I know, the very first non-windows KX3 memory viewer. It is just a viewer at this stage, and I am doing more tests before turning it into a full blown editor soon. - XML-RPC option in "Data Outputs": in plain english, this means that you can now use Wizkers:Radio as a drop-in replacement for flrig ! As always, looking forward to your comments. I would be especially interested to hear whether you can read your KX3 memories with the viewer. The more people test, the more robust the editor will be once I make it read-write. I will release walk-through videos of the app over the next few days, nothing like a simple video to help new users. 73 de ed w6ela From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 26 18:15:10 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 23:15:10 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - How to enable RF output meter? Stuck in ALC display In-Reply-To: References: <7497B30B-9F45-4BFD-A091-D61FA7A5C67A@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <305DCAD2-2935-44DD-8929-73557D8E36BA@yahoo.co.uk> Hi David, I use SSB+CW all the time here, as it is so useful to be an,e to use the rig on SSB and just hit the key to transmit CW. Sorry my explanation was a big wordy, but it is possible to use SSB+CW and you can switch to DATA mode then change meter scales between ALC and RF by tapping Keyer/mic knob then go back to SSB. It's one of the most non intuitive features of the KX3 and I always have to refer to my notes each time this comes up. 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 26 Apr 2016, at 21:06, David Orman wrote: > > Perfect, I'm positive I have SSB+CW enabled right now. I'll go disable and test again. Thank you so much for the quick answer! > > Respectfully, > David > >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 12:58 PM, David Anderson wrote: >> David, >> >> This happens when SSB + CW is enabled. In CW WGHT menu tap 1 to toggle between SSB+CW (enabled) and SSB - CW >> >> Tapping Keyer/Mic knob toggles between Keyer speed and Mic Gain rather than Meter Scales CMP/ALC and SWR/RF. The CMP/ALC scale is still shown temporarily when CMP or Mic Gain are adjusted. >> >> You can switch to DATA mode then change meter scales by tapping Keyer/mic knob then go back to SSB. >> >> >> 73 from David GM4JJJ >> >> > On 26 Apr 2016, at 16:54, David Orman wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > I tried tapping the keyer/mic button to change the display to RF output >> > from ALC while in USB and LSB modes, and it doesn't switch over. I seem to >> > remember this working before. I am on the latest firmware. Is there a trick >> > to this I'm missing? >> > >> > Thank you, >> > David >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk > From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Apr 26 18:24:00 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:24:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> Message-ID: <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> Good touch screens have lipophobic coatings that repel finger oil. Apple started using them in 2009. Some screens still don?t have them. They make a big difference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipophobicity wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Apr 26, 2016, at 3:01 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > > Yep... Jim has it correct.... > > I regularly use Marker A and B to set frequencies. If I am doing it > right, it sets to the exact frequency.... even though the P3 only shows > to the 10 Hz resolution. > > And I don't have to put fingerprints on my screen/bezel... > > Why ANYONE wants to touch the screen they are VIEWING data on escapes me > COMPLETELY. I want my screen ABSOLUTELY clean... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KG5LKV > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 4/26/2016 3:29 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On Tue,4/26/2016 1:12 PM, James D. (Jimmy) Walker, Jr. via Elecraft >> wrote: >>> What interests me most in the IC-7300 is the ability for direct entry >>> of a frequency by touching the waterfall display. >> >> To the accuracy of the width of your finger. :) I looked at the 7300 >> at Visalia. Nice LOOKING radio at an entry level price. >> >>> The P-3 does not offer that feature, >> >> While it doesn't have a touch screen, direct frequency entry can be >> done by moving the marker to the blip on the screen and pushing the >> Menu button. And to FAR greater precision. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From cautery at montac.com Tue Apr 26 18:28:47 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:28:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> Coat it however you want... Doesn't stop dirt and grime being put on the screen possibly scratching and/or gooping up the corners and edges... I've been in IS/IT for 25+ years... Screens are not for touching. Bottom Line... I'll stick with buttons, dials, and switches, thank you. :) ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 4/26/2016 5:24 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Good touch screens have lipophobic coatings that repel finger oil. Apple started using them in 2009. Some screens still don?t have them. They make a big difference. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipophobicity > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Apr 26, 2016, at 3:01 PM, Clay Autery wrote: >> >> Yep... Jim has it correct.... >> >> I regularly use Marker A and B to set frequencies. If I am doing it >> right, it sets to the exact frequency.... even though the P3 only shows >> to the 10 Hz resolution. >> >> And I don't have to put fingerprints on my screen/bezel... >> >> Why ANYONE wants to touch the screen they are VIEWING data on escapes me >> COMPLETELY. I want my screen ABSOLUTELY clean... >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KG5LKV >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> >> From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Apr 26 19:37:23 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:37:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Message-ID: <201604262337.u3QNbOsN032127@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 16:12:54 -0400 From: "James D. (Jimmy) Walker, Jr." To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Just addressing the direct frequency entry issue: I can do that with my K3 by use of Trakbox sw written by IK7EZN. When coupled with the panoramic display of MAP65 I can click on a signal in the waterfall and click a box in MAP65 to transfer that to the K3. Its not a finger touch screen but does the task pretty effectively. MAP65 is a widescreen adaptation of JT65 for 2m-eme. MAP65 displays up to 90-KHz of bandwidth at a time and simultaneously decodes all JT65 signals in that bw. Soo...I would guess all that is needed is sw to be able to accomplish this for HF users (maybe even that exists?? - I do so little HF). General reply: Found the comparison interesting. As long as K3 has Elecraft support for innovation and upgrade - I have no reason to buy anything else - ditto KX3. Sidenote: Many VHF/microwave hams have tried the Flex1500 and abandoned it subsequently. Appears not all Flex is of equal utility. Direct VHF SDR are coming on the scene so this may affect the VHF-mw/eme market eventually. For now the combo of very good HF transceiver with very good transverter is still setting the standards of performance for VHF+. None of the all-band HF/VHF/UHF in a box come close, though many use them (including me in the past). 73, Ed - KL7UW K3/10 SN 4340 KX3 SN 475 KXPA-100 SN1865 previously owned: FT-847, FT-817, FT-840, Tentec-Scout, Argonaut405, TS180S, IC211, SB110, etc. ==snip What interests me most in the IC-7300 is the ability for direct entry of a frequency by touching the waterfall display. The P-3 does not offer that feature, and I?m told that it will not be available. With due regard to the superior performance of the K-3 receivers, I believe that state of the art now requires a more responsive Panadapter for the casual operator. BTW, I?m not expecting to part with my K-3. Jimmy, WA4ILO 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Apr 26 19:56:56 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:56:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 with KX3 Message-ID: <201604262356.u3QNuu0F027744@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> I ran the KX3 temp compensation procedure twice (the first run was a learning experience so feel I got a good run on #2). I used my AG3 coupled with a very good freq counter. JT65 is a synchronous code so that demands good frequency control (<+/- 10 Hz) and near perfect timing (< 1 second). Both are essential to good decodes of very weak signals. There is no casual relationship between them. If either is off very much signals are not decoded. I just performed frequency calibration for one of my transverter customers and got the 144-MHz transverter within 3-Hz (tuned heated xtal osc.). The K3 shows frequency within 1-Hz at 28-MHz (using EXREF + ext OCXO). Both were run for two hours before calibrating. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Tue Apr 26 20:08:10 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:08:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> Message-ID: <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> Ditto we still don't use them. Our users have a choice of laptop or iPad/Surface other than a desktop thin client on our VM Ware network. 90% choose the Win7 laptop. They're more expensive, slower, and break more often than the thin client but not as often as the iPads. The Surface's are new so no experience base with them yet. Our hardware group absolutely hate touch screens. I'm a Network Engineer...I have no use for them either. My brother does IT for a school district that equipped all of their middle school kids with cutting edge iPads. 700 of them. My brother had to get good at replacing the very expensive coated touch screens that the evil empire said mere mortals couldn't replace. He got no help from Apple other than expensive parts. That experiment lasted three years and they switched to Chrome books. I guarantee as sure as I'm sitting here *that touch screen will fail within a year...if not sooner*, and you've got no chance to fix it yourself. I can order parts from Elecraft for all my rigs and fix them. No sweat. I'm curious why is direct sampling SDR's like the 7300 are supposed to be the second coming why Icom stuck with the traditional superhet architecture on it's "flagship" 7851? Maybe they realize the technology is at least 5 years away from being competitive. Everybody is ignoring W4TV's 800lb Gorilla, ADC overload. On 4/26/2016 5:28 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Coat it however you want... Doesn't stop dirt and grime being put on > the screen possibly scratching and/or gooping up the corners and edges... > > I've been in IS/IT for 25+ years... Screens are not for touching. > > Bottom Line... I'll stick with buttons, dials, and switches, thank you. :) > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KG5LKV > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From rpfjeld at outlook.com Tue Apr 26 20:10:17 2016 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:10:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Here is a YouTube video of a K3 with a touch screen monitor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6usy-0257NQ Dick, n0ce On 4/26/2016 4:16 PM, John Kramer wrote: > Phil, in reality having a touch screen is not all that bad as you make out. You really need > to try it. An advantage is that it reduces the clutter on the front panel of a rig, by assigning > knobs/buttons to the display screen. The one used in the IC-7300 is really good - sensitive > to the touch, but not quite as sensitive as some smartphones. The display of the 7300 is > a major leap forward from older generation 7600, 7700 rigs. Very clear and responsive. > And smear marks on the screen ? absolutely not - I have had my 7300 for 2 weeks now, > and have not yet had the need to clean the display - the display is not that glossy mirror > finish like smart phones have. Besides?I prod my touch phone FAR more than I touch the > screen of my 7300, and I have no problem with finger marks on my phone?.maybe once a > month I might clean my phone with a lint cloth?no big deal. Perhaps I might clean my 7300 > display once every 3 months at this rate?no biggie > > 73 > John > > > > > From esteptony at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 20:20:41 2016 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:20:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> Message-ID: > "25+ years.... Screens are not for touching..." Hmmmm. By one estimate, there were more than 2.5 billion smartphones in use last year (and more today, of course), all with touchscreens. If each screen is used just for a few minutes a day, the total usage-years is in the hundreds of millions. Touchscreen-equipped devices, including phones and tablets, are among the most widely-used consumer electronic devices of all time. If there is some undiscovered flaw in the concept of a touchscreen, it hasn't shown up so far. Tony KT0NY From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 20:23:28 2016 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:23:28 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> Message-ID: <57200682.db09620a.3b6a8.54f9@mx.google.com> Hmm....how long is the life expectancy of a smart phone? My k3 ain't goin anywhere.... Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Tony Estep" Sent: ?27/?04/?2016 10:21 AM To: "Elecraft" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated > "25+ years.... Screens are not for touching..." Hmmmm. By one estimate, there were more than 2.5 billion smartphones in use last year (and more today, of course), all with touchscreens. If each screen is used just for a few minutes a day, the total usage-years is in the hundreds of millions. Touchscreen-equipped devices, including phones and tablets, are among the most widely-used consumer electronic devices of all time. If there is some undiscovered flaw in the concept of a touchscreen, it hasn't shown up so far. Tony KT0NY ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Tue Apr 26 20:28:37 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:28:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think it is better to compare the IC-7300 with the KX3 rather than the K3(S) as their price and performance are a bit closer. As for touchscreens, they don't like my fingers and frequently don't recognize when I them. (My fingers are big so where is another problem.) Working with my iPhone is always a bit painful compared with the mouse on my computer. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? From nr4c at widomaker.com Tue Apr 26 20:35:17 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:35:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmmm. A 100 Watt KX3 isn't that far from the price of a 100 Watt K3S. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 26, 2016, at 8:28 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > > I think it is better to compare the IC-7300 with the KX3 rather than the K3(S) as their price and performance are a bit closer. > > As for touchscreens, they don't like my fingers and frequently don't recognize when I them. (My fingers are big so where is another problem.) Working with my iPhone is always a bit painful compared with the mouse on my computer. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten > 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. > www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Apr 26 20:43:00 2016 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:43:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: IBM has been rolling out Macs as fast as they can, about 2000 per week. The tech support savings are massive. And Macs have long been at the top of the list for most reliable laptops. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2998315/apple-mac/every-mac-we-buy-is-making-and-saving-ibm-money-ibm.html Our family has been using iPhones and iPads for a decade and never had a touchscreen failure, even with our developmentally-disabled adult son. He?s a wizard with the touch screen, but tough on hardware. Also, please sign with your call sign. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Apr 26, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Kevin Stover wrote: > > Ditto we still don't use them. > Our users have a choice of laptop or iPad/Surface other than a desktop thin client on our VM Ware network. > 90% choose the Win7 laptop. They're more expensive, slower, and break more often than the thin client but not as often as the iPads. The Surface's are new so no experience base with them yet. Our hardware group absolutely hate touch screens. I'm a Network Engineer...I have no use for them either. > > My brother does IT for a school district that equipped all of their middle school kids with cutting edge iPads. 700 of them. My brother had to get good at replacing the very expensive coated touch screens that the evil empire said mere mortals couldn't replace. He got no help from Apple other than expensive parts. That experiment lasted three years and they switched to Chrome books. > > I guarantee as sure as I'm sitting here *that touch screen will fail within a year...if not sooner*, and you've got no chance to fix it yourself. I can order parts from Elecraft for all my rigs and fix them. No sweat. > > I'm curious why is direct sampling SDR's like the 7300 are supposed to be the second coming why Icom stuck with the traditional superhet architecture on it's "flagship" 7851? Maybe they realize the technology is at least 5 years away from being competitive. Everybody is ignoring W4TV's 800lb Gorilla, ADC overload. > > On 4/26/2016 5:28 PM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Coat it however you want... Doesn't stop dirt and grime being put on >> the screen possibly scratching and/or gooping up the corners and edges... >> >> I've been in IS/IT for 25+ years... Screens are not for touching. >> >> Bottom Line... I'll stick with buttons, dials, and switches, thank you. :) >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KG5LKV >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> > > > -- > R. Kevin Stover > AC0H > ARRL > FISTS #11993 > SKCC #215 > NAQCC #3441 > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Apr 26 20:43:51 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:43:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> Message-ID: <57200B47.6000907@triconet.org> My son is the IT Manager for a midsized nationwide corporation. He doesn't like touch screens either. But he uses iPhones and iPads. Go figure. On 4/26/2016 3:28 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Coat it however you want... Doesn't stop dirt and grime being put on > the screen possibly scratching and/or gooping up the corners and edges... > > I've been in IS/IT for 25+ years... Screens are not for touching. > > From ctate at ewnetinc.com Tue Apr 26 20:48:10 2016 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:48:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD125EE66C@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Maybe apples and oranges is not the best comparison.. how about this Elecraft K3s = Porsche Flex 6000 = Tesla IC-7300 = Nissan Leaf Kenwood TS-590 =Toyota pickup ~C./WM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Stover Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 5:08 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Ditto we still don't use them. Our users have a choice of laptop or iPad/Surface other than a desktop thin client on our VM Ware network. 90% choose the Win7 laptop. They're more expensive, slower, and break more often than the thin client but not as often as the iPads. The Surface's are new so no experience base with them yet. Our hardware group absolutely hate touch screens. I'm a Network Engineer...I have no use for them either. My brother does IT for a school district that equipped all of their middle school kids with cutting edge iPads. 700 of them. My brother had to get good at replacing the very expensive coated touch screens that the evil empire said mere mortals couldn't replace. He got no help from Apple other than expensive parts. That experiment lasted three years and they switched to Chrome books. I guarantee as sure as I'm sitting here *that touch screen will fail within a year...if not sooner*, and you've got no chance to fix it yourself. I can order parts from Elecraft for all my rigs and fix them. No sweat. I'm curious why is direct sampling SDR's like the 7300 are supposed to be the second coming why Icom stuck with the traditional superhet architecture on it's "flagship" 7851? Maybe they realize the technology is at least 5 years away from being competitive. Everybody is ignoring W4TV's 800lb Gorilla, ADC overload. On 4/26/2016 5:28 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Coat it however you want... Doesn't stop dirt and grime being put on > the screen possibly scratching and/or gooping up the corners and edges... > > I've been in IS/IT for 25+ years... Screens are not for touching. > > Bottom Line... I'll stick with buttons, dials, and switches, thank > you. :) > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KG5LKV > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From mike at mdodd.com Tue Apr 26 21:55:27 2016 From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:55:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57201C0F.4000201@mdodd.com> On 4/26/2016 8:35 PM, Nr4c wrote: > Hmmm. A 100 Watt KX3 isn't that far from the price of a 100 Watt K3S. Indeed. However, after using my KX3/PX3/KPXA100 for thousands of Qs, I bought a K3s. The KX3 is retired into shielded wrappings, in case of an emergency. I sold the PX3 and KXPA100. The K3s has features that make it far nicer for me than the KX3 setup: 1. Built-in amp with temperature-controlled cooling fans. The KXPA100 was OK, but I never liked the exposed heat sink as the sole means of cooling. 2. Front/rear mic/speaker/phones jacks. I use a Heil boom mic and a Yamaha headset. With the KX3, I needed to unplug/plug the mic/phones connections on the side panel. Then I had to turn on/off the mic bias and adjust the mic gain for the currently plugged mic. never more with the K3s. Plus I had to crawl under my desk to swap the foot switch plug into a cable jack to match the current mic. The K3's rear panel PTT jack eliminates this hassle. To use AFSK-A with the KX3, I needed to unplug/plug yet another pair of mic/phones plugs to the SignaLink USB codec. The K3's built-in codec is wonderful! Bottom line: If I'd had the money and if the "s" were available in 2013, I would have gone with the K3s. I'm not sorry I started with the KX3 gear, but the K3s setup gives me a lot more. -- 73, Mike N4CF Louisa County, VA USA Elecraft K3s/100 Carolina Windom up 45' http://n4cf.mdodd.com From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Tue Apr 26 20:55:59 2016 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD125EE66C@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD125EE66C@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: <299997821.2011007.1461718559470.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Well, Chris, I like my Tesla Model S 70D very much. ?Hong Kong is good for EV because we are a small city. 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Chris Tate - N6WM ???? "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" ????? 2016?04?27? (??) 8:48 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Maybe apples and oranges is not the best comparison.. how about this Elecraft K3s = Porsche Flex 6000 = Tesla IC-7300 = Nissan Leaf Kenwood TS-590 =Toyota pickup ~C./WM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Stover Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 5:08 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Ditto we still don't use them. Our users have a choice of laptop or iPad/Surface other than a desktop thin client on our VM Ware network. 90% choose the Win7 laptop. They're more expensive, slower, and break more often than the thin client but not as often as the iPads. The Surface's are new so no experience base with them yet. Our hardware group absolutely hate touch screens. I'm a Network Engineer...I have no use for them either. My brother does IT for a school district that equipped all of their middle school kids with cutting edge iPads. 700 of them. My brother had to get good at replacing the very expensive coated touch screens that the evil empire said mere mortals couldn't replace. He got no help from Apple other than expensive parts. That experiment lasted three years and they switched to Chrome books. I guarantee as sure as I'm sitting here *that touch screen will fail within a year...if not sooner*, and you've got no chance to fix it yourself. I can order parts from Elecraft for all my rigs and fix them. No sweat. I'm curious why is direct sampling SDR's like the 7300 are supposed to be the second coming why Icom stuck with the traditional superhet architecture on it's "flagship" 7851? Maybe they realize the technology is at least 5 years away from being competitive. Everybody is ignoring W4TV's 800lb Gorilla, ADC overload. On 4/26/2016 5:28 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Coat it however you want...? Doesn't stop dirt and grime being put on > the screen possibly scratching and/or gooping up the corners and edges... > > I've been in IS/IT for 25+ years...? Screens are not for touching. > > Bottom Line...? I'll stick with buttons, dials, and switches, thank > you.? :) > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KG5LKV > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From thom2 at att.net Tue Apr 26 21:00:22 2016 From: thom2 at att.net (Tom McCulloch) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:00:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD125EE66C@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD125EE66C@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: <01f6ace8-0fca-45c9-9a80-8ccb611bdac9@att.net> Heath DX-60= Model A On 4/26/2016 8:48 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote: > Maybe apples and oranges is not the best comparison.. how about this > > Elecraft K3s = Porsche > Flex 6000 = Tesla > IC-7300 = Nissan Leaf > Kenwood TS-590 =Toyota pickup > > ~C./WM > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Stover > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 5:08 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated > > Ditto we still don't use them. > Our users have a choice of laptop or iPad/Surface other than a desktop thin client on our VM Ware network. > 90% choose the Win7 laptop. They're more expensive, slower, and break more often than the thin client but not as often as the iPads. The Surface's are new so no experience base with them yet. Our hardware group absolutely hate touch screens. I'm a Network Engineer...I have no use for them either. > > My brother does IT for a school district that equipped all of their middle school kids with cutting edge iPads. 700 of them. My brother had to get good at replacing the very expensive coated touch screens that the evil empire said mere mortals couldn't replace. He got no help from Apple other than expensive parts. That experiment lasted three years and they switched to Chrome books. > > I guarantee as sure as I'm sitting here *that touch screen will fail within a year...if not sooner*, and you've got no chance to fix it yourself. I can order parts from Elecraft for all my rigs and fix them. > No sweat. > > I'm curious why is direct sampling SDR's like the 7300 are supposed to be the second coming why Icom stuck with the traditional superhet architecture on it's "flagship" 7851? Maybe they realize the technology is at least 5 years away from being competitive. Everybody is ignoring W4TV's 800lb Gorilla, ADC overload. > > On 4/26/2016 5:28 PM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Coat it however you want... Doesn't stop dirt and grime being put on >> the screen possibly scratching and/or gooping up the corners and edges... >> >> I've been in IS/IT for 25+ years... Screens are not for touching. >> >> Bottom Line... I'll stick with buttons, dials, and switches, thank >> you. :) >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KG5LKV >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 >> > > -- > R. Kevin Stover > AC0H > ARRL > FISTS #11993 > SKCC #215 > NAQCC #3441 > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to thom2 at att.net > -- In democracy it?s your vote that counts; In feudalism it?s your count that votes. From bobchortek at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 21:00:28 2016 From: bobchortek at yahoo.com (Chortek Bob) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 01:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <57200682.db09620a.3b6a8.54f9@mx.google.com> References: <57200682.db09620a.3b6a8.54f9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1083236138.2374607.1461718828787.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Depends how many times you drop it. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, April 26, 2016, 5:32 PM, Gary wrote: Hmm....how long is the life expectancy of a smart phone? My k3 ain't goin anywhere.... Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Tony Estep" Sent: ?27/?04/?2016 10:21 AM To: "Elecraft" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated > "25+ years....? Screens are not for touching..." Hmmmm. By one estimate, there were more than 2.5 billion smartphones in use last year (and more today, of course), all with touchscreens. If each screen is used just for a few minutes a day, the total usage-years is in the hundreds of millions. Touchscreen-equipped devices, including phones and tablets, are among the most widely-used consumer electronic devices of all time. If there is some undiscovered flaw in the concept of a touchscreen, it hasn't shown up so far. Tony KT0NY ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com From Jim.Kutsch at ky2d.com Tue Apr 26 21:01:37 2016 From: Jim.Kutsch at ky2d.com (Jim Kutsch, KY2D) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:01:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] More Macro Buttons In-Reply-To: <09D02C5D-5043-4044-AE69-587B6DA60754@gmail.com> References: <09D02C5D-5043-4044-AE69-587B6DA60754@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000e01d1a020$5a682f70$0f388e50$@ky2d.com> I'd find this very useful too. If it was possible to set one of the PF buttons to a "more macros" feature, then not only 0 through 9 but essentially every other button and knob could be used to activate a different macro. It would just be necessary to push the PF key followed by the desired other button or knob. Jim, KY2D -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joel Black Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 5:54 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] More Macro Buttons I wonder if it would be feasible to have more macro buttons in a future F/W release. Perhaps using the one of the PF buttons to put the radio into ?macro? mode and use the number buttons for the macros? Just a thought. Don?t know if it?s possible or not. 73, Joel - W4JBB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jim.kutsch at ky2d.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 26 21:04:51 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:04:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 with KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6428dc69-b0f8-d313-c6e1-c1350236fb22@embarqmail.com> Brian, The XG50 is not really expensive and is a good stable source. It is 'cheap' compared to the frustration factor involved with trying to use other methods. If you have access to an instrument lab with highly stable signal sources in the 50MHz range, then you are all set, but most are not so fortunate. The problem in justifying the price is that it is seldom used once you do the KX3 calibration. Maybe we should create a 'ham sharing XG50' network to allow each to pay a portion of the total cost of the XG50. That would work fine if you have several locals with a KX3 - check with your local club. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/26/2016 3:37 PM, Brian Waterworth wrote: > I would agree with the ext temp compensation. It is the right thing to do > and let's the onboard computer handle the drift variations for you. I > don't have the xg50, which is recommended. I tried the wwv approach and > that did not work, even when wwv was coming in fairly strong at s7. I > watched the collection on the kx3utility and it was good on the third try, > no gaps or fades that caused the beat frequency to be read incorrectly. > > However, I have returned to the standard compensation as opposed to what I > attempted to do with wwv and the extended temp compensation. I did it > three times and all results were worse than the standard. > > I will try to build a stable frequency oscillator or perhaps purchase the > xg50 so I can do the temp compensation properly. From cautery at montac.com Tue Apr 26 21:14:43 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:14:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> Message-ID: <57201283.40206@montac.com> Are you trying to be obtuse, or is it an accident. I carry a smart phone, too. For a manageable sized phone, the touch screen is a necessity, and the crap on the screen STILL bugs the crap out of me. I do NOT however carry and HF-6M radio around in my pocket, so it does NOT need a touch screen, and one isn't desired. I never SAID there was a FLAW in the "concept". The concept is fine, I just don't like them... and I have LOTS of company. You want a touch screen... cool, buy one.... but I wouldn't be your IS/IT support... I HIGHLY discourage the use of touch screens by my clients... and charge a premium to those who INSIST on using them. "That's why they have vanilla and chocolate ice cream." -- Mamaw Autery in response to a discussion about preferences on one thing or another. ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 4/26/2016 7:20 PM, Tony Estep wrote: >> "25+ years.... Screens are not for touching..." > > Hmmmm. By one estimate, there were more than 2.5 billion smartphones in use > last year (and more today, of course), all with touchscreens. If each > screen is used just for a few minutes a day, the total usage-years is in > the hundreds of millions. > > Touchscreen-equipped devices, including phones and tablets, are among the > most widely-used consumer electronic devices of all time. If there is some > undiscovered flaw in the concept of a touchscreen, it hasn't shown up so > far. > > Tony KT0NY From cautery at montac.com Tue Apr 26 21:16:49 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:16:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <57200B47.6000907@triconet.org> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> <57200B47.6000907@triconet.org> Message-ID: <57201301.6050004@montac.com> Would not use an Apple product if it was given to me free... ;-) ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 4/26/2016 7:43 PM, Wes wrote: > My son is the IT Manager for a midsized nationwide corporation. He > doesn't like touch screens either. > > But he uses iPhones and iPads. Go figure. > > On 4/26/2016 3:28 PM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Coat it however you want... Doesn't stop dirt and grime being put on >> the screen possibly scratching and/or gooping up the corners and >> edges... >> >> I've been in IS/IT for 25+ years... Screens are not for touching. From kp4y at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 21:42:30 2016 From: kp4y at yahoo.com (Robert Vargas-KP4Y) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:42:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <88FFE02E-BC52-4E68-ABE4-85015A28D06C@yahoo.com> > I'm curious why is direct sampling SDR's like the 7300 are supposed to be the second coming why Icom stuck with the traditional superhet architecture on it's "flagship" 7851? Maybe they realize the technology is at least 5 years away from being competitive. Everybody is ignoring W4TV's 800lb Gorilla, ADC overload What suggests you that direct-sampling SDRs are 5 years away from being competitive? Elecraft will likely have moved to this architecture in less time than that to remain competitive. I suspect that one of the reason Icom stuck with the superheat on the IC-7851 is because this product was already in production by the time they made the decision to design a direct-sampling SDR. Now this is all speculation. What matters is that many of us who have high-end direct-sampling SDRs haven't experienced the overload issues. I don't doubt some operators have (maybe W4TV one of them), but these are probably isolated case. BTW, all receivers have weakness (every design has trade-offs), including the ones designed by Elecraft (I can hear images on KX3 sometimes). Just that you know, K9CT has one of the finest contesting station in the US. He has switched to direct-sampling SDRs (Flex-6700). Just ask him if this architecture is 5 years away from being competitive. 73, Robert-KP4Y/W4 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 26, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Kevin Stover wrote: > > Ditto we still don't use them. > Our users have a choice of laptop or iPad/Surface other than a desktop thin client on our VM Ware network. > 90% choose the Win7 laptop. They're more expensive, slower, and break more often than the thin client but not as often as the iPads. The Surface's are new so no experience base with them yet. Our hardware group absolutely hate touch screens. I'm a Network Engineer...I have no use for them either. > > My brother does IT for a school district that equipped all of their middle school kids with cutting edge iPads. 700 of them. My brother had to get good at replacing the very expensive coated touch screens that the evil empire said mere mortals couldn't replace. He got no help from Apple other than expensive parts. That experiment lasted three years and they switched to Chrome books. > > I guarantee as sure as I'm sitting here *that touch screen will fail within a year...if not sooner*, and you've got no chance to fix it yourself. I can order parts from Elecraft for all my rigs and fix them. No sweat. > > I'm curious why is direct sampling SDR's like the 7300 are supposed to be the second coming why Icom stuck with the traditional superhet architecture on it's "flagship" 7851? Maybe they realize the technology is at least 5 years away from being competitive. Everybody is ignoring W4TV's 800lb Gorilla, ADC overload. > >> On 4/26/2016 5:28 PM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Coat it however you want... Doesn't stop dirt and grime being put on >> the screen possibly scratching and/or gooping up the corners and edges... >> >> I've been in IS/IT for 25+ years... Screens are not for touching. >> >> Bottom Line... I'll stick with buttons, dials, and switches, thank you. :) >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KG5LKV >> MONTAC Enterprises >> (318) 518-1389 > > > -- > R. Kevin Stover > AC0H > ARRL > FISTS #11993 > SKCC #215 > NAQCC #3441 > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kp4y at yahoo.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 26 21:48:36 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:48:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] More Macro Buttons In-Reply-To: <000e01d1a020$5a682f70$0f388e50$@ky2d.com> References: <09D02C5D-5043-4044-AE69-587B6DA60754@gmail.com> <000e01d1a020$5a682f70$0f388e50$@ky2d.com> Message-ID: <890081fb-3fde-d6a1-bfcb-0cd1540eb3b4@embarqmail.com> Here is my vote *against* having many macro buttons. There is a problem with remembering which buttons play which macros. A limited number is fine with me, but there is a break-even point when you cannot keep track of them in your head and a 'cheat sheet' is needed. I just don't want to get to the point where that cheat sheet is needed. In general, I prefer to tap out the functions needed on the regular buttons because I can remember what those do. I have only a few occasions when it is helpful to activate a sequence of buttons automatically. The only macro that I use is to go split and up 2. I can remember that one easily. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/26/2016 9:01 PM, Jim Kutsch, KY2D wrote: > I'd find this very useful too. If it was possible to set one of the PF buttons to a "more macros" feature, then not only 0 through 9 but essentially every other button and knob could be used to activate a different macro. It would just be necessary to push the PF key followed by the desired other button or knob. > > Jim, KY2D > > From cautery at montac.com Tue Apr 26 21:49:45 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:49:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattmeter for K3s Calibration Message-ID: <57201AB9.3030102@montac.com> Would the LP-100A meet the accuracy/precision requirements to do the power cals outlined in the K3s Manual? If not, please supply recommendation for one that will do the job adequately. Thanks! -- ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 From lists at subich.com Tue Apr 26 22:10:32 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:10:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: On 4/26/2016 8:08 PM, Kevin Stover wrote: > Everybody is ignoring W4TV's 800lb Gorilla, ADC overload. I can't take credit for that ... the warning comes from some of the best RF designers in the world. Direct sampling receivers are very good in controlled situations. Unfortunately, those who are used to analog superhetrodyne receivers do not recognize the symptoms of ADC overload/overflow in many cases. The overflow can show up as an occasional click or pop if the number and strength of signals continues to increase conditions go down hill very rapidly. The best 16 bit ADC based SDRs can and do show very significant overload issues when run without effective front end bandpass filtering in high RF environments (160 meters near AM BC stations, 40 meters in Europe, 160 meters in New England during a contest, etc.). One can apply filtering (which Icom seems to have done in the 7300), apply attenuation (which Flex seems to have done in the 6000 series) or both. Filtering limits the number and width of "slice receivers" while attenuation kills weak signal performance. I find Icom's implementation interesting in that they are using the technology as a single band, single channel receiver (they could have added Dual RX within the same band at practically no hardware cost) - an application where, with tight bandpass filtering, direct sampling may be ready to compete as indicated by the fact that Sherwood's tests place the 7300's above some "good" conventional rigs like the Ten-Tec Eagle, Kenwood TS-590SG and TS-990 in MDS, LO Phase noise and IMD DR. However, for the ultimate multi-channel receiver, ADC technology is still 4 to 6 bits short as witnessed by the need for 12 to 20 dB of attenuation in the Flex 6000 or the 0 to 30 dB electronically stepped attenuators in some of the other products like the Anan, Hermes, etc. Sherwood's results hint at this when comparing the MDS with the preamp on and preamp off ... even with its preamp on the Flex 6700 MDS is the same as the K3S with *no preamp*! 73, ... Joe, W4TV From kp4y at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 22:15:07 2016 From: kp4y at yahoo.com (Robert Vargas-KP4Y) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:15:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: > On Apr 26, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Kevin Stover wrote: > I'm curious why is direct sampling SDR's like the 7300 are supposed to be the second coming why Icom stuck with the traditional superhet architecture on it's "flagship" 7851? Maybe they realize the technology is at least 5 years away from being competitive. Everybody is ignoring W4TV's 800lb Gorilla, ADC overload. What suggests you that direct-sampling SDRs are 5 years away from being competitive? Elecraft will likely have moved to this architecture in less time than that to remain competitive. I suspect that one of the reason Icom stuck with the superheat on the IC-7851 is because this product was already in production by the time they made the decision to design a direct-sampling SDR. Now this is all speculation. What matters is that many of us who have high-end direct-sampling SDRs haven't experienced the overload issues. I don't doubt some operators have (maybe W4TV one of them), but these are probably isolated case. BTW, all receivers have weakness (every design has trade-offs), including the ones designed by Elecraft (I can hear images on KX3 sometimes). Just that you know, K9CT has one of the finest contesting station in the US. He has switched to direct-sampling SDRs (Flex-6700). Just ask him if this architecture is 5 years away from being competitive. 73, Robert-KP4Y/W4 Sent from my iPhone From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 26 22:33:33 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:33:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattmeter for K3s Calibration In-Reply-To: <57201AB9.3030102@montac.com> References: <57201AB9.3030102@montac.com> Message-ID: Clay, An LP-100A calibrated to N8LP's NIST traceable standards is about the best you are going to find at a price that is palatable to most hams. Used in conjunction with a precision 50 ohm dummy load, the calibration results will be better than most other wattmeters. The LP-100A. I have one at the workbench that serves as the secondary standard for all my other wattmeters. With NIST tracable calibration it's accuracy is typically 3% of the reading. The Elecraft W2 is also good for that task and should be sufficiently accurate with its +/- 0.5dB Accuracy specification. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/26/2016 9:49 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Would the LP-100A meet the accuracy/precision requirements to do the > power cals outlined in the K3s Manual? > > If not, please supply recommendation for one that will do the job > adequately. > > From ai6do at yahoo.com Tue Apr 26 22:36:38 2016 From: ai6do at yahoo.com (Ryan Noguchi) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] More Macro Buttons References: <877934351.2979440.1461724598484.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <877934351.2979440.1461724598484.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Then what Jim suggested would use the one button you don't even use. I would use every single one of those new macro slots and more. 73, Ryan AI6DO On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 19:48, Don Wilhelm wrote: Here is my vote *against* having many macro buttons. There is a problem with remembering which buttons play which macros. A limited number is fine with me, but there is a break-even point when you cannot keep track of them in your head and a 'cheat sheet' is needed.? I just don't want to get to the point where that cheat sheet is needed. In general, I prefer to tap out the functions needed on the regular buttons because I can remember what those do.? I have only a few occasions when it is helpful to activate a sequence of buttons automatically. The only macro that I use is to go split and up 2. I can remember that one easily. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/26/2016 9:01 PM, Jim Kutsch, KY2D wrote: > I'd find this very useful too. If it was possible to set one of the PF buttons to a "more macros" feature, then not only 0 through 9 but essentially every other button and knob could be used to activate a different macro. It would just be necessary to push the PF key followed by the desired other button or knob. > > Jim, KY2D >? ? > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ai6do at yahoo.com From ron at cobi.biz Tue Apr 26 22:57:18 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:57:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattmeter for K3s Calibration In-Reply-To: <57201AB9.3030102@montac.com> References: <57201AB9.3030102@montac.com> Message-ID: <007101d1a030$83469390$89d3bab0$@biz> For the Transmitter Gain calibration, all you need is a decent dummy load. The LP-100A is not a dummy load. My 20-year old inexpensive MFJ dummy load does a good job for that. (But note it has never been abused, such as running power into it until it gets hot or smells.) A well designed dummy load will have very little reactance from stray capacitance or inductance. That leaves only the value of the resistive element, which you can check with your DMM. It's the resistive element that is most susceptible to damage from overheating it, just like any other resistor. For calibrating the wattmeter in your K3S beyond the factory setting, whatever makes you happy is perfect. There is no operational or performance advantage to "improving" the factory settings. The LP-100A claims 3% power display accuracy which is much better than most (if the claims are true). For example, the ARRL lab is quoted in their manual saying "They specify their measurement error for power as +/- 5%, and for PEP power, +/- 8%." Note the +/- meaning the power error may vary by 10% for constant carrier and 16% PEP. Those are much more typical values for good, even lab quality power measurement equipment. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 6:50 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Wattmeter for K3s Calibration Would the LP-100A meet the accuracy/precision requirements to do the power cals outlined in the K3s Manual? If not, please supply recommendation for one that will do the job adequately. Thanks! -- ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From buddy at brannan.name Tue Apr 26 23:01:20 2016 From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 23:01:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] More Macro Buttons In-Reply-To: <877934351.2979440.1461724598484.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <877934351.2979440.1461724598484.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <877934351.2979440.1461724598484.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Of course, having extras available doesn't mean you have to use them, or even set up a macro key as a "more macros" key. Heck, why not be able to set up both PF keys as "more macros" keys and have 20? Well, except perhaps for storage. The KX3 already stores up to 8 macros, but only two can be accessed from the PF keys. Well, OK, that isn't strictly true if you use Wayne's (or whichever clever person's) self-modifying PF key definitions trick as I have done. With that trick, my next trick is remembering where in the sequence I last left things. Anyway, as for me, I'd find it handy for accessing those menu functions I can't really access because they're not implemented in the morse UI. Which reminds me. Anyone know what the programming syntax is for the battery charger in the KX3? I had a macro to turn the charger on, but it seems to not work anymore. :-( So I have a KX3 full of dead NiMH batteries. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: buddy at brannan.name > On Apr 26, 2016, at 10:36 PM, Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft wrote: > > Then what Jim suggested would use the one button you don't even use. I would use every single one of those new macro slots and more. > 73, Ryan AI6DO > > > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 19:48, Don Wilhelm wrote: Here is my vote *against* having many macro buttons. > There is a problem with remembering which buttons play which macros. > A limited number is fine with me, but there is a break-even point when > you cannot keep track of them in your head and a 'cheat sheet' is > needed. I just don't want to get to the point where that cheat sheet is > needed. > In general, I prefer to tap out the functions needed on the regular > buttons because I can remember what those do. I have only a few > occasions when it is helpful to activate a sequence of buttons > automatically. > The only macro that I use is to go split and up 2. I can remember that > one easily. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 4/26/2016 9:01 PM, Jim Kutsch, KY2D wrote: >> I'd find this very useful too. If it was possible to set one of the PF buttons to a "more macros" feature, then not only 0 through 9 but essentially every other button and knob could be used to activate a different macro. It would just be necessary to push the PF key followed by the desired other button or knob. >> >> Jim, KY2D >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ai6do at yahoo.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to buddy at brannan.name From cautery at montac.com Tue Apr 26 23:15:09 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:15:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattmeter for K3s Calibration In-Reply-To: <007101d1a030$83469390$89d3bab0$@biz> References: <57201AB9.3030102@montac.com> <007101d1a030$83469390$89d3bab0$@biz> Message-ID: <57202EBD.2070302@montac.com> Not referring to the XMTR Gain cal... talking about the Tune PWR cals... I have a decent dummy load I think... It's a Navy DA-412/U (50-Ohm, 600W continuous, 900 W for 15 minutes). It has no measurable reactance 0-30 MHz, and less than 2 Ohm up to 400MHz... at least according to the analyzer I had access to. Will likely get a precision 50-Ohm dummy load for cal purposes since it only needs to be 5 and 50 W for the cals... I'm a bit OCD on certain things... like eliminating variables on basic cals so I don't have to worry about my end during ops. ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 4/26/2016 9:57 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > For the Transmitter Gain calibration, all you need is a decent dummy load. > The LP-100A is not a dummy load. My 20-year old inexpensive MFJ dummy load > does a good job for that. (But note it has never been abused, such as > running power into it until it gets hot or smells.) A well designed dummy > load will have very little reactance from stray capacitance or inductance. > That leaves only the value of the resistive element, which you can check > with your DMM. It's the resistive element that is most susceptible to damage > from overheating it, just like any other resistor. > > For calibrating the wattmeter in your K3S beyond the factory setting, > whatever makes you happy is perfect. There is no operational or performance > advantage to "improving" the factory settings. The LP-100A claims 3% power > display accuracy which is much better than most (if the claims are true). > For example, the ARRL lab is quoted in their manual saying "They specify > their measurement error for power as +/- 5%, and for PEP power, +/- 8%." > Note the +/- meaning the power error may vary by 10% for constant carrier > and 16% PEP. Those are much more typical values for good, even lab quality > power measurement equipment. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay > Autery > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 6:50 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Wattmeter for K3s Calibration > > Would the LP-100A meet the accuracy/precision requirements to do the power > cals outlined in the K3s Manual? > > If not, please supply recommendation for one that will do the job > adequately. > > Thanks! > > -- > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KG5LKV > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ron at elecraft.com > From lists at subich.com Tue Apr 26 23:35:03 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 23:35:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <4d871dc0-da3b-dd17-055b-244f3e7f4316@subich.com> On 4/26/2016 10:15 PM, Robert Vargas-KP4Y via Elecraft wrote: > Just that you know, K9CT has one of the finest contesting station in > the US. He has switched to direct-sampling SDRs (Flex-6700). Just ask > him if this architecture is 5 years away from being competitive. While I do not know for sure, I suspect K9CT is using bandpass filters and stubs to prevent inter-station interference in his multi-multi operation just as he did when he used conventional transceivers. With properly designed bandpass filters, stubs and the preselectors in his 6700s he's not likely to have a severe overload issue unless he happens to be close to some high power AM stations (on 160 meters) and even then indications are that a good highpass filter and 10 to 15 dB of attenuation will resolve the problems with a 16 bit ADC. I have not heard any reports of large multi-multi stations switching to direct sampling transceivers in areas of Europe where the 40 meter SW broadcast was a problem for many decades. The point is that direct conversion receivers need either good filters *ahead of the ADC*, attenuation or both to prevent problems. When one uses a Flex 6300 *which has no preselector*, Flex 6500 on multiple bands (which bypasses the preselector), an ELAD DUO which has no preselector, etc. one must make a choice between sensitivity and dynamic range. The ARRL lab tests show that, Sherwood's tests show that, Adam Farson's noise power ratio testing shows that, and other reviewers hint at the problem but they simply don't understand direct sampling well enough to recognize its limits when they see them. One needs to understand the nature of direct sampling receivers and the way they react to overload to recognize the behavior but the test data is unequivocal. 16 bit ADCs are probably 4 to 6 bits "short" of being able to handle worst case signal levels while simultaneously providing maximum sensitivity (MDS of -135 to -140 dBm in 500 Hz) and fully broad band performance (multiple slice receivers on multiple amateur bands). 73, ... Joe, W4TV From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 26 23:47:48 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 23:47:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattmeter for K3s Calibration In-Reply-To: <57202EBD.2070302@montac.com> References: <57201AB9.3030102@montac.com> <007101d1a030$83469390$89d3bab0$@biz> <57202EBD.2070302@montac.com> Message-ID: <7c234504-0729-188d-b6c9-79cd896ccebf@embarqmail.com> Clay, I see nothing in the K3 manual about Tune PWR calibration. There is the wattmeter calibration for which you need a good 50 ohm dummy load and a wattmeter that you can trust. The other is the TX Gain Calibration which needs only a good 50 ohm dummy load. If those are both done, then your TUNE PWR setting will be accurate. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/26/2016 11:15 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Not referring to the XMTR Gain cal... talking about the Tune PWR cals... > > From k3ndm at comcast.net Tue Apr 26 23:48:08 2016 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 03:48:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joe, I agree with you basically. I think it's just the manor in which you state the problem. You touch on the real problem 14-16 bits of sampling vice having more bits in the sample. It's not specifically the direct sampling architecture. I think the radio companies just can't get 24 bit ADCs fast enough to do direct sampling at commodity pricing which would allow direct sampling with out the baggage. If I can do 24 bit sampling and high and low pass filtering, I can simplify receiver design AND have a an acceptable dynamic range. Multiple instances of DSP processing of the 24 bit samples will allow as many virtual receivers, slices, as processor power will allow. My guess is we are on the verge of getting to where we would like to be. Flex is using a 16 bit ADC and I'm not sure what the 7300 is using, but I infer it, too, is 16 bit. I do believe that the Elecraft architectures are all based on 24 bit sampling. The Elecraft designs should be tolerant to serious environmental abuse short of a local thunderstorm. Our comments reflect a rigorous tech discussion. But, there is another issue that has not been discussed in anything I've read so far, ultimate filter rejection. Flex, Kenwood, and Elecraft have filtering that runs in the 100 db region, or a little better. I saw that the IC-7300 is about 20 db worse. What that means if you are a CW operator, serious or otherwise, and there is a pile up on a DX station, a contest, or just a really busy weekend, you may have problems from strong stations not too far away while you are trying to work an S1-3 station. SSB operators have other problems like splatter and no amount of superb design will fix that. I'm pleased there is a vigorous discussion on the new radios. It helps push the designers and the technology. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 4/26/2016 10:10:32 PM an Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated >On 4/26/2016 8:08 PM, Kevin Stover wrote: >>Everybody is ignoring W4TV's 800lb Gorilla, ADC overload. > >I can't take credit for that ... the warning comes from some of the >best RF designers in the world. Direct sampling receivers are very >good in controlled situations. Unfortunately, those who are used to >analog superhetrodyne receivers do not recognize the symptoms of ADC >overload/overflow in many cases. > >The overflow can show up as an occasional click or pop if the number >and strength of signals continues to increase conditions go down hill >very rapidly. The best 16 bit ADC based SDRs can and do show very >significant overload issues when run without effective front end >bandpass filtering in high RF environments (160 meters near AM BC >stations, 40 meters in Europe, 160 meters in New England during a >contest, etc.). > >One can apply filtering (which Icom seems to have done in the 7300), >apply attenuation (which Flex seems to have done in the 6000 series) >or both. Filtering limits the number and width of "slice receivers" >while attenuation kills weak signal performance. > >I find Icom's implementation interesting in that they are using the >technology as a single band, single channel receiver (they could have >added Dual RX within the same band at practically no hardware cost) - >an application where, with tight bandpass filtering, direct sampling >may be ready to compete as indicated by the fact that Sherwood's tests >place the 7300's above some "good" conventional rigs like the Ten-Tec >Eagle, Kenwood TS-590SG and TS-990 in MDS, LO Phase noise and IMD DR. > >However, for the ultimate multi-channel receiver, ADC technology is >still 4 to 6 bits short as witnessed by the need for 12 to 20 dB of >attenuation in the Flex 6000 or the 0 to 30 dB electronically stepped >attenuators in some of the other products like the Anan, Hermes, etc. >Sherwood's results hint at this when comparing the MDS with the >preamp on and preamp off ... even with its preamp on the Flex 6700 >MDS is the same as the K3S with *no preamp*! > >73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From ctate at ewnetinc.com Wed Apr 27 00:08:00 2016 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 04:08:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <4d871dc0-da3b-dd17-055b-244f3e7f4316@subich.com> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> <4d871dc0-da3b-dd17-055b-244f3e7f4316@subich.com> Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD125F1099@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Joet, interesting comments but perhaps misses a few conditions of the higher end Direct conversion systems. And thanks to Eric for allowing a relatively architecturally agnostic discussion on the reflector. My responses below. I will stick to my guns that both platforms have different advantages and disadvantages.. and its probably most accurate to leave it at that. While I do not know for sure, I suspect K9CT is using bandpass filters and stubs to prevent inter-station interference in his multi-multi operation just as he did when he used conventional transceivers. With properly designed bandpass filters, stubs and the preselectors in his 6700s he's not likely to have a severe overload issue unless he happens to be close to some high power AM stations (on 160 meters) and even then indications are that a good highpass filter and 10 to 15 dB of attenuation will resolve the problems with a 16 bit ADC. N6WM- Most certainly. I have operated a flex 6500 in one major multi-op contest at N6RO and a 6700 in another one. In both cases external filtering was used. It was unbothered by near field interstation interference any more or less than a K3, and I did operate 40m for WPX SSB (and nearly broke the station record for that band). I have not heard any reports of large multi-multi stations switching to direct sampling transceivers in areas of Europe where the 40 meter SW broadcast was a problem for many decades. N6WM- This is a good point I would be interested in hearing data or testing on this. The point is that direct conversion receivers need either good filters *ahead of the ADC*, attenuation or both to prevent problems. When one uses a Flex 6300 *which has no preselector*, Flex 6500 on multiple bands (which bypasses the preselector), an ELAD DUO which has no preselector, etc. one must make a choice between sensitivity and dynamic range. The ARRL lab tests show that, Sherwood's tests show that, Adam Farson's noise power ratio testing shows that, and other reviewers hint at the problem but they simply don't understand direct sampling well enough to recognize its limits when they see them. N6WM- ah a good point. These options are available in one form or another (external filtering) and of course we use this with our K3's or any radio in a multi. Also, many of the high end ones have 2 scu (6700) allowing dual band operation simultaneously without disengaging the band preselectors. One needs to understand the nature of direct sampling receivers and the way they react to overload to recognize the behavior but the test data is unequivocal. 16 bit ADCs are probably 4 to 6 bits "short" of being able to handle worst case signal levels while simultaneously providing maximum sensitivity (MDS of -135 to -140 dBm in 500 Hz) and fully broad band performance (multiple slice receivers on multiple amateur bands). N6WM- This does create some limits, but In the case of the 6700 you can have multiple slices on 2 simultaneous bands and avoid disengaging the preselectors.... how many does one need to operate at a time? 2 needed for SO2R. N6WM- these are different architectures with different challenges. The Direct conversion architecture is the new kid on the block and many of the features to enhance them are not there yet or are in an infant state. That does not say that the technology is unusable or if one or the other is better.. they are just different. Make no mistake.. I love my Elecraft K line. It has won me many contests and has served me well for (omg!) 8 years. I remember all the different mods we needed to add to the K3 in the beginning.. and the numerous software updates that fixed bugs and added features.... I also find the higher end Direct conversion systems fascinating as they solve a number of challenges I have run into over the years and they are on the fast track to coming of age. Also make no mistake.. despite the differences in architecture, challenges and advantages, both the systems in this email are competition grade transceivers. Check 3830. Ineresting stuff! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From ctate at ewnetinc.com Wed Apr 27 00:12:46 2016 From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 04:12:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD125F1099@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> <4d871dc0-da3b-dd17-055b-244f3e7f4316@subich.com> <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD125F1099@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD125F10C5@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net> Sorry Freudian slip near the end corrected.. direct conversion changed to direct sampling ;-). -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chris Tate - N6WM Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:08 PM To: Joe Subich, W4TV ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Joet, interesting comments but perhaps misses a few conditions of the higher end Direct conversion systems. And thanks to Eric for allowing a relatively architecturally agnostic discussion on the reflector. My responses below. I will stick to my guns that both platforms have different advantages and disadvantages.. and its probably most accurate to leave it at that. While I do not know for sure, I suspect K9CT is using bandpass filters and stubs to prevent inter-station interference in his multi-multi operation just as he did when he used conventional transceivers. With properly designed bandpass filters, stubs and the preselectors in his 6700s he's not likely to have a severe overload issue unless he happens to be close to some high power AM stations (on 160 meters) and even then indications are that a good highpass filter and 10 to 15 dB of attenuation will resolve the problems with a 16 bit ADC. N6WM- Most certainly. I have operated a flex 6500 in one major multi-op contest at N6RO and a 6700 in another one. In both cases external filtering was used. It was unbothered by near field interstation interference any more or less than a K3, and I did operate 40m for WPX SSB (and nearly broke the station record for that band). I have not heard any reports of large multi-multi stations switching to direct sampling transceivers in areas of Europe where the 40 meter SW broadcast was a problem for many decades. N6WM- This is a good point I would be interested in hearing data or testing on this. The point is that direct conversion receivers need either good filters *ahead of the ADC*, attenuation or both to prevent problems. When one uses a Flex 6300 *which has no preselector*, Flex 6500 on multiple bands (which bypasses the preselector), an ELAD DUO which has no preselector, etc. one must make a choice between sensitivity and dynamic range. The ARRL lab tests show that, Sherwood's tests show that, Adam Farson's noise power ratio testing shows that, and other reviewers hint at the problem but they simply don't understand direct sampling well enough to recognize its limits when they see them. N6WM- ah a good point. These options are available in one form or another (external filtering) and of course we use this with our K3's or any radio in a multi. Also, many of the high end ones have 2 scu (6700) allowing dual band operation simultaneously without disengaging the band preselectors. One needs to understand the nature of direct sampling receivers and the way they react to overload to recognize the behavior but the test data is unequivocal. 16 bit ADCs are probably 4 to 6 bits "short" of being able to handle worst case signal levels while simultaneously providing maximum sensitivity (MDS of -135 to -140 dBm in 500 Hz) and fully broad band performance (multiple slice receivers on multiple amateur bands). N6WM- This does create some limits, but In the case of the 6700 you can have multiple slices on 2 simultaneous bands and avoid disengaging the preselectors.... how many does one need to operate at a time? 2 needed for SO2R. N6WM- these are different architectures with different challenges. The Direct conversion architecture is the new kid on the block and many of the features to enhance them are not there yet or are in an infant state. That does not say that the technology is unusable or if one or the other is better.. they are just different. Make no mistake.. I love my Elecraft K line. It has won me many contests and has served me well for (omg!) 8 years. I remember all the different mods we needed to add to the K3 in the beginning.. and the numerous software updates that fixed bugs and added features.... I also find the higher end Direct sampling systems fascinating as they solve a number of challenges I have run into over the years and they are on the fast track to coming of age. Also make no mistake.. despite the differences in architecture, challenges and advantages, both the systems in this email are competition grade transceivers. Check 3830. Ineresting stuff! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ctate at ewnetinc.com From kp4y at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 00:38:59 2016 From: kp4y at yahoo.com (Robert Vargas-KP4Y) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 00:38:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <4d871dc0-da3b-dd17-055b-244f3e7f4316@subich.com> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> <4d871dc0-da3b-dd17-055b-244f3e7f4316@subich.com> Message-ID: <45583646-4C59-4144-B485-21A5FD53BFE8@yahoo.com> Joe, I have an MSEE, so I perfectly understand the design aspects and math behind a direct-sampling SDR. That's why I stated previously that this architecture has some wrinkles that will eventually be ironed out as more capable and affordable ( this is a key factor to be competitive in the amateur radio market) ADC and DSP chips become available in the future. Also, just that we are clear, I'm familiar with the way how the ADC overload issue that you are describing would manifest in a direct-sampling SDR. However, I'm yet to experience this issue during actual operating conditions. BTW, I don't see the need for preselector filter as a deficiency in a direct-sampling architecture. That would be sort of equivalent to seeing the need for roofing filters in the K3 to put out impressive blocking dynamic range numbers as a deficiency. Finally, I have seen great reviews about the Flex-6300, and I'm actually impressed by the fact that it has not preselector filters. However, as satisfied Elecraft customer, I'm confident they will be able to produce a much better implementation of direct-sampling radio in the no so distant future. 73, Robert-KP4Y/W4 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 26, 2016, at 11:35 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > >> On 4/26/2016 10:15 PM, Robert Vargas-KP4Y via Elecraft wrote: >> Just that you know, K9CT has one of the finest contesting station in > > the US. He has switched to direct-sampling SDRs (Flex-6700). Just ask > > him if this architecture is 5 years away from being competitive. > > While I do not know for sure, I suspect K9CT is using bandpass filters > and stubs to prevent inter-station interference in his multi-multi > operation just as he did when he used conventional transceivers. With > properly designed bandpass filters, stubs and the preselectors in his > 6700s he's not likely to have a severe overload issue unless he happens > to be close to some high power AM stations (on 160 meters) and even > then indications are that a good highpass filter and 10 to 15 dB of > attenuation will resolve the problems with a 16 bit ADC. > > I have not heard any reports of large multi-multi stations switching to > direct sampling transceivers in areas of Europe where the 40 meter SW > broadcast was a problem for many decades. > > The point is that direct conversion receivers need either good filters > *ahead of the ADC*, attenuation or both to prevent problems. When one > uses a Flex 6300 *which has no preselector*, Flex 6500 on multiple > bands (which bypasses the preselector), an ELAD DUO which has no > preselector, etc. one must make a choice between sensitivity and > dynamic range. The ARRL lab tests show that, Sherwood's tests show > that, Adam Farson's noise power ratio testing shows that, and other > reviewers hint at the problem but they simply don't understand direct > sampling well enough to recognize its limits when they see them. > > One needs to understand the nature of direct sampling receivers and the > way they react to overload to recognize the behavior but the test data > is unequivocal. 16 bit ADCs are probably 4 to 6 bits "short" of being > able to handle worst case signal levels while simultaneously providing > maximum sensitivity (MDS of -135 to -140 dBm in 500 Hz) and fully broad > band performance (multiple slice receivers on multiple amateur bands). > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kp4y at yahoo.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Apr 27 01:59:07 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 22:59:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattmeter for K3s Calibration In-Reply-To: <57201AB9.3030102@montac.com> References: <57201AB9.3030102@montac.com> Message-ID: <5720552B.5050902@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,4/26/2016 6:49 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Would the LP-100A meet the accuracy/precision requirements to do the power cals outlined in the K3s Manual? I own one, with two couplers for my SO2R station. It's a fine product, and at least some years ago, was used at Elecraft for production testing. Pro quality dummy loads are among the things I buy at ham flea markets. 73, Jim K9YC From n1eu.barry at gmail.com Wed Apr 27 03:52:00 2016 From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 07:52:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The IC-7300 uses a 14-bit ADC. My ANAN-100D uses 16-bit ADC and overload of ADC occurs at a signal level of -10dBm, which I never see in my single transmitter environment. I do prefer the K3s for contesting, but not for lack of front-end robustness on the part of the ANAN. 73, Barry N1EU On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Barry LaZar wrote: > Joe, > I agree with you basically. I think it's just the manor in which you > state the problem. > > You touch on the real problem 14-16 bits of sampling vice having more > bits in the sample. It's not specifically the direct sampling architecture. > I think the radio companies just can't get 24 bit ADCs fast enough to do > direct sampling at commodity pricing which would allow direct sampling with > out the baggage. If I can do 24 bit sampling and high and low pass > filtering, I can simplify receiver design AND have a an acceptable dynamic > range. Multiple instances of DSP processing of the 24 bit samples will > allow as many virtual receivers, slices, as processor power will allow. My > guess is we are on the verge of getting to where we would like to be. > > Flex is using a 16 bit ADC and I'm not sure what the 7300 is using, > but I infer it, too, is 16 bit. I do believe that the Elecraft > architectures are all based on 24 bit sampling. The Elecraft designs should > be tolerant to serious environmental abuse short of a local thunderstorm. > > Our comments reflect a rigorous tech discussion. But, there is another > issue that has not been discussed in anything I've read so far, ultimate > filter rejection. Flex, Kenwood, and Elecraft have filtering that runs in > the 100 db region, or a little better. I saw that the IC-7300 is about 20 > db worse. What that means if you are a CW operator, serious or otherwise, > and there is a pile up on a DX station, a contest, or just a really busy > weekend, you may have problems from strong stations not too far away while > you are trying to work an S1-3 station. SSB operators have other problems > like splatter and no amount of superb design will fix that. > > I'm pleased there is a vigorous discussion on the new radios. It helps > push the designers and the technology. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: 4/26/2016 10:10:32 PM an > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated > > On 4/26/2016 8:08 PM, Kevin Stover wrote: >> >>> Everybody is ignoring W4TV's 800lb Gorilla, ADC overload. >>> >> >> I can't take credit for that ... the warning comes from some of the >> best RF designers in the world. Direct sampling receivers are very >> good in controlled situations. Unfortunately, those who are used to >> analog superhetrodyne receivers do not recognize the symptoms of ADC >> overload/overflow in many cases. >> >> The overflow can show up as an occasional click or pop if the number >> and strength of signals continues to increase conditions go down hill >> very rapidly. The best 16 bit ADC based SDRs can and do show very >> significant overload issues when run without effective front end >> bandpass filtering in high RF environments (160 meters near AM BC >> stations, 40 meters in Europe, 160 meters in New England during a >> contest, etc.). >> >> One can apply filtering (which Icom seems to have done in the 7300), >> apply attenuation (which Flex seems to have done in the 6000 series) >> or both. Filtering limits the number and width of "slice receivers" >> while attenuation kills weak signal performance. >> >> I find Icom's implementation interesting in that they are using the >> technology as a single band, single channel receiver (they could have >> added Dual RX within the same band at practically no hardware cost) - an >> application where, with tight bandpass filtering, direct sampling >> may be ready to compete as indicated by the fact that Sherwood's tests >> place the 7300's above some "good" conventional rigs like the Ten-Tec >> Eagle, Kenwood TS-590SG and TS-990 in MDS, LO Phase noise and IMD DR. >> >> However, for the ultimate multi-channel receiver, ADC technology is >> still 4 to 6 bits short as witnessed by the need for 12 to 20 dB of >> attenuation in the Flex 6000 or the 0 to 30 dB electronically stepped >> attenuators in some of the other products like the Anan, Hermes, etc. >> Sherwood's results hint at this when comparing the MDS with the >> preamp on and preamp off ... even with its preamp on the Flex 6700 >> MDS is the same as the K3S with *no preamp*! >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1eu.barry at gmail.com > From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Wed Apr 27 07:21:27 2016 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez CX6VM) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 08:21:27 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] SOLD!!! Re: FS: Green Heron RT-21pp controller In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E9A2AC1-D1FC-42E9-BFCD-1BF544CBAB4C@gmail.com> Hello The controller is sold 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W Enviado desde mi iPhone > El 21 abr. 2016, a las 09:31, Jorge Diez - CX6VM escribi?: > > Hello > > I have a Green Heron RT-21pp controller for sale. Very few use, like new in original box > > Asking $ 400.- + shipping from PA ,17543 > > If interested contact me directly > > -- > 73, > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > Libre de virus. www.avast.com From cautery at montac.com Wed Apr 27 07:35:55 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 06:35:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattmeter for K3s Calibration In-Reply-To: <7c234504-0729-188d-b6c9-79cd896ccebf@embarqmail.com> References: <57201AB9.3030102@montac.com> <007101d1a030$83469390$89d3bab0$@biz> <57202EBD.2070302@montac.com> <7c234504-0729-188d-b6c9-79cd896ccebf@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5720A41B.4040603@montac.com> K3S Manual, Revision A, May 26, 2015, page 52, left column, half way down... "If desired, the [TUNE] power readings can be calibrated, This must be done at 5.0 W, 50 W (K3s/100 only), and 1.00 mW. IF you read this page, you find that the procedure requires a 50-W capable dummy load (minimum), an "accurate" wattmeter, and for the "Milliwatt-meter Calibration", "an accurate RF voltmeter". ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 4/26/2016 10:47 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Clay, > > I see nothing in the K3 manual about Tune PWR calibration. > There is the wattmeter calibration for which you need a good 50 ohm > dummy load and a wattmeter that you can trust. > The other is the TX Gain Calibration which needs only a good 50 ohm > dummy load. > > If those are both done, then your TUNE PWR setting will be accurate. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 4/26/2016 11:15 PM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Not referring to the XMTR Gain cal... talking about the Tune PWR >> cals... >> >> > From cautery at montac.com Wed Apr 27 07:38:44 2016 From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 06:38:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Wattmeter for K3s Calibration In-Reply-To: <5720552B.5050902@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <57201AB9.3030102@montac.com> <5720552B.5050902@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5720A4C4.9020406@montac.com> Thanks, Jim. :) ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 4/27/2016 12:59 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Tue,4/26/2016 6:49 PM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Would the LP-100A meet the accuracy/precision requirements to do the >> power cals outlined in the K3s Manual? > > I own one, with two couplers for my SO2R station. It's a fine product, > and at least some years ago, was used at Elecraft for production > testing. Pro quality dummy loads are among the things I buy at ham > flea markets. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cautery at montac.com From n9tf at comcast.net Wed Apr 27 08:17:04 2016 From: n9tf at comcast.net (Gene Gabry) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 07:17:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <4d871dc0-da3b-dd17-055b-244f3e7f4316@subich.com> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> <4d871dc0-da3b-dd17-055b-244f3e7f4316@subich.com> Message-ID: <008701d1a07e$b5d3dfe0$217b9fa0$@net> On 4/26/2016 10:15 PM, Robert Vargas-KP4Y via Elecraft wrote: > Just that you know, K9CT has one of the finest contesting station in > the US. He has switched to direct-sampling SDRs (Flex-6700). Just ask > him if this architecture is 5 years away from being competitive. >While I do not know for sure, I suspect K9CT is using bandpass filters and stubs to prevent inter-station interference in his multi-multi operation just >as he did when he used conventional transceivers. With properly designed bandpass filters, stubs and the preselectors in his 6700s he's not likely to >have a severe overload issue unless he happens to be close to some high power AM stations (on 160 meters) and even then indications are that a good >highpass filter and 10 to 15 dB of attenuation will resolve the problems with a 16 bit ADC. Yes, I can confirm K9CT uses BP filters on his 6700's. His main reason for switching to mostly 6700's at his contest station was for the "simplicity" of being able to operate SO2R or multi -2 without the need for all the access cables and extras required with the K3 set up. The WiFi ability that comes with the Maestro made networking wireless as well. I believe he still uses a K3S or two at his home station and uses K3S's on DXpeditions. There are conditions and reasons where each platform can win, with proper configurations, tools and expectations. Gene, N9TF Society of Midwest Contesters From lists at subich.com Wed Apr 27 08:26:28 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 08:26:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60cb04b0-f91f-f4c1-6296-bf853380686f@subich.com> On 4/26/2016 11:48 PM, Barry LaZar wrote: > You touch on the real problem 14-16 bits of sampling vice having > more bits in the sample. It's not specifically the direct sampling > architecture. The real problem is not enough bits. DSR proponents continue to ignore the sensitivity vs. overload trade-off. They tout their "top of the list" IMD performance and "multiple slice receiver" capabilities while completely hiding the fact that those items can only be accomplished by reducing sensitivity some 30 dB compared to a conventional superhet receiver in the presence of strong signals. I have nothing against direct sampling receivers and I'm intrigued by the performance/features balance Icom made - to the extent that I'm likely to replace the IC-706mkIIg I use as an Icom proxy in my CAT test bench with a 7300 once the "new" price moderates. > But, there is another issue that has not been discussed in anything > I've read so far, ultimate filter rejection. Flex, Kenwood, and > Elecraft have filtering that runs in the 100 db region, or a little > better. Top of the line rigs with dual (distributed) filtering may reach the 100 dB region. However, that is not the case in all rigs. The IC-7300 is competitive with rigs such as the Yaesu FTdx3000 (80 dB), Icom IC-7600 (78 dB), Icom 706 mkIIg (78dB) or K2 (80 dB) and not all that far from the TS-590 (92 dB) or TS-990 (90 dB). Remember, most of the crystal filters flatten out around -80 to-90 dB (with tighter filters having even less ultimate rejection and - see the K3/Inrad curves) - circuit layout often causes leakage above those levels in many rigs. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/26/2016 11:48 PM, Barry LaZar wrote: > Joe, > I agree with you basically. I think it's just the manor in which you > state the problem. > > You touch on the real problem 14-16 bits of sampling vice having > more bits in the sample. It's not specifically the direct sampling > architecture. I think the radio companies just can't get 24 bit ADCs > fast enough to do direct sampling at commodity pricing which would allow > direct sampling with out the baggage. If I can do 24 bit sampling and > high and low pass filtering, I can simplify receiver design AND have a > an acceptable dynamic range. Multiple instances of DSP processing of the > 24 bit samples will allow as many virtual receivers, slices, as > processor power will allow. My guess is we are on the verge of getting > to where we would like to be. > > Flex is using a 16 bit ADC and I'm not sure what the 7300 is using, > but I infer it, too, is 16 bit. I do believe that the Elecraft > architectures are all based on 24 bit sampling. The Elecraft designs > should be tolerant to serious environmental abuse short of a local > thunderstorm. > > Our comments reflect a rigorous tech discussion. But, there is > another issue that has not been discussed in anything I've read so far, > ultimate filter rejection. Flex, Kenwood, and Elecraft have filtering > that runs in the 100 db region, or a little better. I saw that the > IC-7300 is about 20 db worse. What that means if you are a CW operator, > serious or otherwise, and there is a pile up on a DX station, a contest, > or just a really busy weekend, you may have problems from strong > stations not too far away while you are trying to work an S1-3 station. > SSB operators have other problems like splatter and no amount of superb > design will fix that. > > I'm pleased there is a vigorous discussion on the new radios. It > helps push the designers and the technology. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: 4/26/2016 10:10:32 PM an > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated > >> On 4/26/2016 8:08 PM, Kevin Stover wrote: >>> Everybody is ignoring W4TV's 800lb Gorilla, ADC overload. >> >> I can't take credit for that ... the warning comes from some of the >> best RF designers in the world. Direct sampling receivers are very >> good in controlled situations. Unfortunately, those who are used to >> analog superhetrodyne receivers do not recognize the symptoms of ADC >> overload/overflow in many cases. >> >> The overflow can show up as an occasional click or pop if the number >> and strength of signals continues to increase conditions go down hill >> very rapidly. The best 16 bit ADC based SDRs can and do show very >> significant overload issues when run without effective front end >> bandpass filtering in high RF environments (160 meters near AM BC >> stations, 40 meters in Europe, 160 meters in New England during a >> contest, etc.). >> >> One can apply filtering (which Icom seems to have done in the 7300), >> apply attenuation (which Flex seems to have done in the 6000 series) >> or both. Filtering limits the number and width of "slice receivers" >> while attenuation kills weak signal performance. >> >> I find Icom's implementation interesting in that they are using the >> technology as a single band, single channel receiver (they could have >> added Dual RX within the same band at practically no hardware cost) - >> an application where, with tight bandpass filtering, direct sampling >> may be ready to compete as indicated by the fact that Sherwood's tests >> place the 7300's above some "good" conventional rigs like the Ten-Tec >> Eagle, Kenwood TS-590SG and TS-990 in MDS, LO Phase noise and IMD DR. >> >> However, for the ultimate multi-channel receiver, ADC technology is >> still 4 to 6 bits short as witnessed by the need for 12 to 20 dB of >> attenuation in the Flex 6000 or the 0 to 30 dB electronically stepped >> attenuators in some of the other products like the Anan, Hermes, etc. >> Sherwood's results hint at this when comparing the MDS with the >> preamp on and preamp off ... even with its preamp on the Flex 6700 >> MDS is the same as the K3S with *no preamp*! >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net > > From k4ia at aol.com Wed Apr 27 08:28:48 2016 From: k4ia at aol.com (Buck) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 08:28:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <008701d1a07e$b5d3dfe0$217b9fa0$@net> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> <4d871dc0-da3b-dd17-055b-244f3e7f4316@subich.com> <008701d1a07e$b5d3dfe0$217b9fa0$@net> Message-ID: Very comprehensive review of the 7300 explaining how it handles ADC overload at http://www.ab4oj.com/icom/ic7300/7300notes.pdf K4ia Buck Honor Roll 335 8BDXCC On 4/27/2016 8:17 AM, Gene Gabry wrote: > On 4/26/2016 10:15 PM, Robert Vargas-KP4Y via Elecraft wrote: >> Just that you know, K9CT has one of the finest contesting station in > > the US. He has switched to direct-sampling SDRs (Flex-6700). Just ask > > him if this architecture is 5 years away from being competitive. > >> While I do not know for sure, I suspect K9CT is using bandpass filters and > stubs to prevent inter-station interference in his multi-multi operation > just >as he did when he used conventional transceivers. With properly > designed bandpass filters, stubs and the preselectors in his 6700s he's not > likely to >have a severe overload issue unless he happens to be close to > some high power AM stations (on 160 meters) and even then indications are > that a good >highpass filter and 10 to 15 dB of attenuation will resolve the > problems with a 16 bit ADC. > > Yes, I can confirm K9CT uses BP filters on his 6700's. His main reason for > switching to mostly 6700's at his contest station was for the "simplicity" > of being able to operate SO2R or multi -2 without the need for all the > access cables and extras required with the K3 set up. The WiFi ability that > comes with the Maestro made networking wireless as well. I believe he still > uses a K3S or two at his home station and uses K3S's on DXpeditions. > > There are conditions and reasons where each platform can win, with proper > configurations, tools and expectations. > > Gene, N9TF > Society of Midwest Contesters > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k4ia at aol.com From w0eb at cox.net Wed Apr 27 08:42:54 2016 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 12:42:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <008701d1a07e$b5d3dfe0$217b9fa0$@net> Message-ID: Geez guys, I thought this was the Elecraft List. Getting a tired finger hitting the delete button on all the IC 7300 ICOM discussion totally irrelevant to any Elecraft information. I'm sure Eric would have stepped in and closed this thread long ago if they weren't all extremely busy getting ready for Dayton. I, and many others, have absolutely no interest in extolling the virtues of the IC 7300. Jim - W0EB From eric at elecraft.com Wed Apr 27 09:08:39 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 06:08:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <60cb04b0-f91f-f4c1-6296-bf853380686f@subich.com> References: <60cb04b0-f91f-f4c1-6296-bf853380686f@subich.com> Message-ID: <9404948d-3281-75f9-328d-d0914160efb2@elecraft.com> Folks - In the interest of relieving our list readers from severe single topic email overload, let's end this thread now. While an interesting topic with lots of good comments, its had a -huge- number of postings. It is time to give it a rest. (I would have jumped in earlier yesterday, but I was extremely busy at my other job - making the best all around radios in the world :-) 73, Eric Elecraft list moderator /elecraft.com/ On 4/27/2016 5:26 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > On 4/26/2016 11:48 PM, Barry LaZar wrote: > > You touch on the real problem 14-16 bits of sampling vice having > > more bits in the sample. It's not specifically the direct sampling > > architecture. > > The real problem is not enough bits. DSR proponents continue to ignore > the sensitivity vs. overload trade-off. They tout their "top of the > list" IMD performance and "multiple slice receiver" capabilities while > completely hiding the fact that those items can only be accomplished by > reducing sensitivity some 30 dB compared to a conventional superhet > receiver in the presence of strong signals. > From rodenkirch_llc at msn.com Wed Apr 27 09:20:42 2016 From: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com (Jim Rodenkirch) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 06:20:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <75846b05-b2ea-a0d5-cd8b-5ae67425e609@embarqmail.com> References: <8fa2b384-439a-4708-52a8-c81cd6d491c2@subich.com> <1461616484510-7616664.post@n2.nabble.com> <571E9B2C.2040707@audiosystemsgroup.com> <260A5F74-38E3-4561-B9C5-728FAB19D05D@elecraft.com> <1461701362427-7616743.post@n2.nabble.com> <75846b05-b2ea-a0d5-cd8b-5ae67425e609@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1461763242188-7616802.post@n2.nabble.com> "It all depends" is/was the premise for my reply, Don. If new and old hams don't understand the potential problems with long runs of coax to/from an antenna they want to operate on multiple bands and an ATU in the shack they will be surprised at how inefficient their system is. P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share???? Note 1: I had a 43' vertical with top loading wires in a NORD-style config with my external ATU at the base of the vertical and 120' of coax back to the shack ---- never saw a VSWR delta of more than .2 between what was "seen" at the input to the tuner and what was "seen" at the xmtr while operating on 160 through 20 meters. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sherwood-s-receiver-performance-table-updated-tp7616652p7616802.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave at nk7z.net Wed Apr 27 09:25:52 2016 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 06:25:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> Message-ID: <1461763552.7668.72.camel@nk7z.net> I'm with you Clay, the very last thing I want is a touch screen, which is always dirty. ? The concept of a touch screen rig is interesting though, perhaps a touch screen that is separate from the rig would be good... ?Soft Keys you can program, thin, wireless, now that I could get behind. ?Maybe controlled via a smart device, like a phone or pad. ?Bluetooth connected... -- 73's, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) For software/hardware reviews see: http://www.nk7z.net For MixW support see: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For SSTV help see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Tue, 2016-04-26 at 17:01 -0500, Clay Autery wrote: > Yep... Jim has it correct.... > > I regularly use Marker A and B to set frequencies.??If I am doing it > right, it sets to the exact frequency.... even though the P3 only > shows > to the 10 Hz resolution. > > And I don't have to put fingerprints on my screen/bezel... > > Why ANYONE wants to touch the screen they are VIEWING data on escapes > me > COMPLETELY.??I want my screen ABSOLUTELY clean... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KG5LKV > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > > On 4/26/2016 3:29 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > > > On Tue,4/26/2016 1:12 PM, James D. (Jimmy) Walker, Jr. via Elecraft > > wrote: > > > > > > What interests me most in the IC-7300 is the ability for direct > > > entry > > > of a frequency by touching the waterfall display. > > To the accuracy of the width of your finger. :)???I looked at the > > 7300 > > at Visalia. Nice LOOKING radio at an entry level price. > > > > > > > > ? The P-3 does not offer that feature, > > While it doesn't have a touch screen, direct frequency entry can be > > done by moving the marker to the blip on the screen and pushing the > > Menu button. And to FAR greater precision. > > > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From wa2si at arrl.net Wed Apr 27 09:26:52 2016 From: wa2si at arrl.net (Bert Craig) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 09:26:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: <008701d1a07e$b5d3dfe0$217b9fa0$@net> Message-ID: <49ab4592-2de3-4a99-b85f-b7e3051e9c10.maildroid@localhost> Why can't we let the folks who are engaged in the discussion, as well as those who find it not only interesting, but very relevant to Elecraft, enjoy the discussion. That's precisely what the delete key is for. Imagine coming across a roundtable QSO and asking the participants to cease their discussion rather than just QSY. Strange times these are. Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI Sent from my android device. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Sheldon To: Gene Gabry , "'Joe Subich, W4TV'" , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 8:42 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Geez guys, I thought this was the Elecraft List. Getting a tired finger hitting the delete button on all the IC 7300 ICOM discussion totally irrelevant to any Elecraft information. I'm sure Eric would have stepped in and closed this thread long ago if they weren't all extremely busy getting ready for Dayton. I, and many others, have absolutely no interest in extolling the virtues of the IC 7300. Jim - W0EB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wa2si at arrl.net From lists at subich.com Wed Apr 27 09:31:31 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 09:31:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> <4d871dc0-da3b-dd17-055b-244f3e7f4316@subich.com> <008701d1a07e$b5d3dfe0$217b9fa0$@net> Message-ID: Thanks for the link, Buck. I had not checked Adam's site since the 7300 became generally available. Adam adds a lot to the discussion. The 7300 is actually a "hybrid" DSR ... direct down conversion being used to drive the SDR "back end" typical of Icom's current generation of transceivers. In essence, the direct sampling front end replaces the traditional analog up- conversion front end and is responsible for a much "cleaner" (less phase noise, etc.) transceiver. The selectivity, AGC and features are derived from the 36 KHz DSP "back end". All in all very smart design as it leverages Icom's experience and design costs. It also explains the lack of dual receive as that would have required a second, frequency agile "IF DSP" or complete receiver chain like the KRX3. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/27/2016 8:28 AM, Buck via Elecraft wrote: > Very comprehensive review of the 7300 explaining how it handles ADC > overload at > > http://www.ab4oj.com/icom/ic7300/7300notes.pdf > > K4ia > Buck > Honor Roll 335 > 8BDXCC > From dan.boardman at shreditfast.com Wed Apr 27 10:57:59 2016 From: dan.boardman at shreditfast.com (Dan Boardman) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:57:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft T1 Automatic Antenna Tuner Message-ID: <12B13D2C29AFFE44B60C83DC6B79921F66F1FE18@MBX023-W1-CA-4.exch023.domain.local> Only used it a few times - 9/10 in nice condition - non smoker $135 shipped Dan - NB1C From k0dxv at aol.com Wed Apr 27 11:12:36 2016 From: k0dxv at aol.com (Doug Person) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 09:12:36 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <571FE43F.1090902@gmail.com> References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <11206124-250F-45EE-9874-85193A80FAB3@elecraft.com> <571FE43F.1090902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5720D6E4.5030702@aol.com> My thoughts on the IC-7300 after using it for several days: 1. The tuner is a lot more capable than 3:1. Much better than older Icoms. 2. Achieving correct viewing angle can almost always be corrected by a little Shop 101. 3. The height of the display is limited to the size of the screen and that by the size of the radio. That said - the screen is a wonder of organization of things needed to control a complex system 4. Two antenna ports, video output, receive only antenna port are all the things you will see in the next step-up model 5. Touch screens allow a hierarchical and updateable organization of functions and properties - this is a fundamental principle of user interface design 6. Sit down with say a TS-590SG (Same basic price) and operate for an hour. Then repeat with IC-7300. You'll instantly see a 20th century user interface and a 21st century user interface. The IC-7300 will blow you a way. So much information at your fingertips. The IC-7300 is a wonderful example of how 21st century technology pervades everything. (Get used to it) Fortunately, I have two separate operating positions. The K-Line occupies my main position. Stocking the second position is always fun. Been through K2 (best), TS-450, IC-746, TS-590SG, FTdx-1200 (Nice rig) and now the IC-7300. The 7300 leaves all the other entry level radios in the dust. It has placed a strong stack in the ground of technological advancement and will be the pivotal product for the next 10 to 20 years. Just like the K2 was when it hit the market. Even more like the K3 which was *truly* a pivotal product. Doug -- K0DXV > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > From kp4y at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 11:30:51 2016 From: kp4y at yahoo.com (Robert Vargas-KP4Y) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:30:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: <571FCFB5.5050903@audiosystemsgroup.com> <571FE52A.8060005@montac.com> <758DA996-D10F-4EE9-9B79-8C10ED3EB55E@wunderwood.org> <571FEB9F.90405@montac.com> <572002EA.6040609@mediacombb.net> <4d871dc0-da3b-dd17-055b-244f3e7f4316@subich.com> <008701d1a07e$b5d3dfe0$217b9fa0$@net> Message-ID: <15EC7E7A-9AD2-482F-B0A6-CF421987242E@yahoo.com> > On Apr 27, 2016, at 9:31 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote > Adam adds a lot to the discussion. The 7300 is actually a "hybrid" > DSR ... direct down conversion being used to drive the SDR "back end" > typical of Icom's current generation of transceivers. In essence, > the direct sampling front end replaces the traditional analog up- > conversion front end and is responsible for a much "cleaner" (less > phase noise, etc.) transceiver. The selectivity, AGC and features > are derived from the 36 KHz DSP "back end". Joe, I know this thread was closed earlier today, but I just wanted to clarify that the IC-7300 is a "pure" direct-sampling SDR. The architecture that you described is more in line with direct-conversion SDRs such as the KX3. I also asked myself why ICOM did not go the extra mile and provided more than one receiver on the IC-7300 since the whole spectrum is available on a direct-sampling SDR. The only reason that occurred to me is that its FPGA is not big enough to handled/process the stream of data arriving from the ADC that is necessary to produce more than one of receiver (slices). 73, Robert-KP4Y/W4 Sent from my iPhone From k6mr at outlook.com Wed Apr 27 11:36:31 2016 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 08:36:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Message-ID: ?P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share????? Jim: Google ?transmission line bounce diagram?. This is a simple concept easily proven by mathematics. On a practical level, this is the concept behind the use of open wire feed lines. It?s been done for decades. The type of feed line does not change the theory. Ken K6MR From: Jim Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 06:21 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated "It all depends" is/was the premise for my reply, Don. If new and old hams don't understand the potential problems with long runs of coax to/from an antenna they want to operate on multiple bands and an ATU in the shack they will be surprised at how inefficient their system is. P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share???? Note 1: I had a 43' vertical with top loading wires in a NORD-style config with my external ATU at the base of the vertical and 120' of coax back to the shack ---- never saw a VSWR delta of more than .2 between what was "seen" at the input to the tuner and what was "seen" at the xmtr while operating on 160 through 20 meters. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sherwood-s-receiver-performance-table-updated-tp7616652p7616802.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From wrcooke at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 11:23:37 2016 From: wrcooke at yahoo.com (WILLIS COOKE) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Wattmeter for K3s Calibration In-Reply-To: <007101d1a030$83469390$89d3bab0$@biz> References: <007101d1a030$83469390$89d3bab0$@biz> Message-ID: <856935470.2588562.1461770617546.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I found a Cavalier King Charles figure stamp, a "This Envelope Sealed with Dog Slobber" stamp and a "I'd Rather be Flying" stamp, several Ink Pads and a re-inking roller in Black. ?That is only in one drawer.?Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, From: Ron D'Eau Claire To: 'Clay Autery' ; 'Elecraft Reflector' Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wattmeter for K3s Calibration For the Transmitter Gain calibration, all you need is a decent dummy load. The LP-100A is not a dummy load. My 20-year old inexpensive MFJ dummy load does a good job for that. (But note it has never been abused, such as running power into it until it gets hot or smells.) A well designed dummy load will have very little reactance from stray capacitance or inductance. That leaves only the value of the resistive element, which you can check with your DMM. It's the resistive element that is most susceptible to damage from overheating it, just like any other resistor.? For calibrating the wattmeter in your K3S beyond the factory setting, whatever makes you happy is perfect. There is no operational or performance advantage to "improving" the factory settings. The LP-100A claims 3% power display accuracy which is much better than most (if the claims are true). For example, the ARRL lab is quoted in their manual saying "They specify their measurement error for power as +/- 5%, and for PEP power, +/- 8%." Note the +/- meaning the power error may vary by 10% for constant carrier and 16% PEP. Those are much more typical values for good, even lab quality power measurement equipment.? 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 6:50 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Wattmeter for K3s Calibration Would the LP-100A meet the accuracy/precision requirements to do the power cals outlined in the K3s Manual? If not, please supply recommendation for one that will do the job adequately. Thanks! -- ______________________ Clay Autery, KG5LKV MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrcooke at yahoo.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Apr 27 12:07:11 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 09:07:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline Loss With Mismatched Loads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5720E3AF.2080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> Loss in a feedline due to mismatch can easily be computed by several means if the antenna feedpoint impedance and the feedline loss vs. frequency and length are known. Those means include: TLW, a simple Windoze program by N6BV, retired editor of the ARRL Antenna Book, and included on the CDROM that comes with the Antenna Book. ZPlots, an Excel spreadsheet by Dan, AC6LA. TLA, a simple Windoze program by AC6LA. Both of Dan's programs are freeware, google his call to find his website. SimSmith, an excellent freeware Smith Chart program by AE6TY. It runs in Java, so is cross platform. Data to plug into these programs can be exported from EZNEC and other antenna modeling programs. Data for real antennas can be measured using good quality vector impedance analyzers (they must provide R + jX, or Z and the phase angle of Z). If used correctly, all of these programs will provide correct answers. That can be a big IF -- it's the old GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) rule. It IS, for example, good engineering practice to use a low loss line that is mismatched to an antenna with a tuner in the shack IF the line is short enough, and the line loss is low enough. Phil Salas, AD5X, published a method for doing exactly this, using 50 ft or so of 1/2-in hard line to feed a 43 ft vertical. The technique of using high impedance open wire line to feed a dipole of random length is another example, but I consider it no longer good engineering practice because it is not practical to choke it to reject receive noise. Off-center fed antennas have the same problem, no matter how they are fed. A major advantage of coax-fed, resonant antennas is that they CAN be choked. 73, Jim K9YC On Wed,4/27/2016 8:36 AM, Ken K6MR wrote: > ?P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet > make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on > multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to > share????? > > Jim: > > Google ?transmission line bounce diagram?. This is a simple concept easily proven by mathematics. > > On a practical level, this is the concept behind the use of open wire feed lines. It?s been done for decades. The type of feed line does not change the theory. > > Ken K6MR > > > > > > > From: Jim Rodenkirch > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 06:21 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated > > "It all depends" is/was the premise for my reply, Don. > > If new and old hams don't understand the potential problems with long runs > of coax to/from an antenna they want to operate on multiple bands and an ATU > in the shack they will be surprised at how inefficient their system is. > > P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet > make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on > multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to > share???? > > Note 1: I had a 43' vertical with top loading wires in a NORD-style config > with my external ATU at the base of the vertical and 120' of coax back to > the shack ---- never saw a VSWR delta of more than .2 between what was > "seen" at the input to the tuner and what was "seen" at the xmtr while > operating on 160 through 20 meters. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sherwood-s-receiver-performance-table-updated-tp7616652p7616802.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com From Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com Wed Apr 27 12:38:53 2016 From: Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com (James Rodenkirch) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 16:38:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is not "the principle behind the use of open wire feed line," Ken IF, I place an antenna auto tuner at the base of, for instance, a vertical and feed the tuner with low loss coax.... I understand the use of open wire feed line and an ATU prior to attaching to the xmtr....BUT...see above - works as well, if not better 'cuz I don't have to worry about the open wire feed line running too close to metal objects... ________________________________ From: Ken K6MR Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 9:36 AM To: Jim Rodenkirch; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated "P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share????" Jim: Google "transmission line bounce diagram". This is a simple concept easily proven by mathematics. On a practical level, this is the concept behind the use of open wire feed lines. It's been done for decades. The type of feed line does not change the theory. Ken K6MR From: Jim Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 06:21 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated "It all depends" is/was the premise for my reply, Don. If new and old hams don't understand the potential problems with long runs of coax to/from an antenna they want to operate on multiple bands and an ATU in the shack they will be surprised at how inefficient their system is. P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share???? Note 1: I had a 43' vertical with top loading wires in a NORD-style config with my external ATU at the base of the vertical and 120' of coax back to the shack ---- never saw a VSWR delta of more than .2 between what was "seen" at the input to the tuner and what was "seen" at the xmtr while operating on 160 through 20 meters. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sherwood-s-receiver-performance-table-updated-tp7616652p7616802.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From rv6amark at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 12:58:23 2016 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?TWFyaywgYXJzOiBLRTZCQg==?=) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 16:58:23 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline Loss With Mismatched Loads Message-ID: <000f426d.20872ca25b8a52e8@yahoo.com> RE: ??P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feetmake it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share????? The best source is "Reflections" by Walter Maxwell, W2DU, originally published as a series of articles in QST (difficult to read due to the poor scans) and then published by ARRL as a book. ?The latest edition is "Reflections III" published by CQ Communications, but currently sold out. If you really want to understand what is happening on a transmission line, how an ATU works, etc., then this is the book you should read. ?Be warned, though, it is NOT an "easy read", but more of a "great study". ?It requires a lot of thought and re-reading to absorb, but is well worth the effort. Mark, ars: KE6BB From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Apr 27 12:59:14 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 08:59:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 with KX3 Message-ID: <201604271659.u3RGxESe025271@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Don and Brian: I had good luck just using my XG3 as signal source for the temp compensation on 50-MHz. I did monitor freq on my prof. counter. 73, Ed - KL7UW From: Don Wilhelm To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] JT65 with KX3 Message-ID: <6428dc69-b0f8-d313-c6e1-c1350236fb22 at embarqmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Brian, The XG50 is not really expensive and is a good stable source. It is 'cheap' compared to the frustration factor involved with trying to use other methods. If you have access to an instrument lab with highly stable signal sources in the 50MHz range, then you are all set, but most are not so fortunate. The problem in justifying the price is that it is seldom used once you do the KX3 calibration. Maybe we should create a 'ham sharing XG50' network to allow each to pay a portion of the total cost of the XG50. That would work fine if you have several locals with a KX3 - check with your local club. 73, Don W3FPR 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From va3mw at portcredit.net Wed Apr 27 13:11:51 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:11:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 with KX3 In-Reply-To: <201604271659.u3RGxESe025271@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201604271659.u3RGxESe025271@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: Before you blame the radio for drifting, how do you know your sound card isn't drifting? The problem looks the same. There are many tests you can run when referencing WWV and watching the drift. This is one of the many tools: http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/speclab/frqcalib.htm Or: https://www.stu2.net/wiki/index.php/Calibrate_Sound_Card Mike va3mw On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Don and Brian: > > I had good luck just using my XG3 as signal source for the temp > compensation on 50-MHz. > I did monitor freq on my prof. counter. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > > From: Don Wilhelm > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] JT65 with KX3 > Message-ID: <6428dc69-b0f8-d313-c6e1-c1350236fb22 at embarqmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Brian, > > The XG50 is not really expensive and is a good stable source. It is > 'cheap' compared to the frustration factor involved with trying to use > other methods. > If you have access to an instrument lab with highly stable signal > sources in the 50MHz range, then you are all set, but most are not so > fortunate. > > The problem in justifying the price is that it is seldom used once you > do the KX3 calibration. Maybe we should create a 'ham sharing XG50' > network to allow each to pay a portion of the total cost of the XG50. > That would work fine if you have several locals with a KX3 - check with > your local club. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From va3mw at portcredit.net Wed Apr 27 13:21:27 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:21:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 on a Network Message-ID: I likely have not spend enough time on this, but as I redo my remote base, I am finding that the I have the KPA500 RS232 port on one computer, but I operating on another computer. With its 'hosting' interface, is there a way to have the client software connect to the server software on a totally different IP address on the same network? Mike va3mw From averill at mchsi.com Wed Apr 27 13:22:01 2016 From: averill at mchsi.com (=?utf-8?B?YXZlcmlsbEBtY2hzaS5jb20=?=) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:22:01 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] Updated K2? Message-ID: <000f4244.6bf3cdf96e9dbade@mchsi.com> I just noticed that the K2 is adv. "Now with DSP".How good is the DSP? George, K4EOR Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone From Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com Wed Apr 27 13:25:40 2016 From: Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com (James Rodenkirch) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:25:40 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <833A49CD-7C59-4B6B-A952-F914FB449E84@carolinaheli.com> References: , <833A49CD-7C59-4B6B-A952-F914FB449E84@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: Wow....lots of good stuff emanating from this discussion - tnx to all for participating.... For Jerry - there are other reasons for employing an ATU in the shack - e.g., using open wire line feed line from the antenna back to the xmtr. _____________________________________ From: Jerry Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 10:10 AM To: Ken K6MR Cc: Jim Rodenkirch; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated I always thought the ATU in the shack was specifically to allow operation where there's an impedance mismatch (not necessarily non-resonant) specifically to protect solid state equipment from the high voltages that can be present. Obviously an antenna system can be resonant and still not match impedance of the feed line and/or Radio. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 27, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Ken K6MR wrote: > > ?P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet > make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on > multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to > share????? > > Jim: > > Google ?transmission line bounce diagram?. This is a simple concept easily proven by mathematics. > > On a practical level, this is the concept behind the use of open wire feed lines. It?s been done for decades. The type of feed line does not change the theory. > > Ken K6MR > > > > > > > From: Jim Rodenkirch > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 06:21 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated > > "It all depends" is/was the premise for my reply, Don. > > If new and old hams don't understand the potential problems with long runs > of coax to/from an antenna they want to operate on multiple bands and an ATU > in the shack they will be surprised at how inefficient their system is. > > P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet > make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on > multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to > share???? > > Note 1: I had a 43' vertical with top loading wires in a NORD-style config > with my external ATU at the base of the vertical and 120' of coax back to > the shack ---- never saw a VSWR delta of more than .2 between what was > "seen" at the input to the tuner and what was "seen" at the xmtr while > operating on 160 through 20 meters. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sherwood-s-receiver-performance-table-updated-tp7616652p7616802.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From k6mr at outlook.com Wed Apr 27 13:31:17 2016 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:31:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Message-ID: But the theory works whether you have open wire line or coax: the additional loss due to SWR on the feedline is only a function of the matched feedline loss. There is a good graph in ON4UNs book (and probably others) that shows the additional loss caused by SWR vs. matched line loss. For example, a 5:1 SWR on a line with 0.5 dB matched loss results in an additional 0.6 dB of loss. The type of feedline is immaterial. Is 0.6 dB worth installing a tuner at the antenna given the added complexity? Maybe. Maybe not. It?s all a matter of $/dB. Ken K6MR From: James Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 09:38 To: Ken K6MR; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated It is not "the principle behind the use of open wire feed line," Ken IF, I place an antenna auto tuner at the base of, for instance, a vertical and feed the tuner with low loss coax.... I understand the use of open wire feed line and an ATU prior to attaching to the xmtr....BUT...see above - works as well, if not better 'cuz I don't have to worry about the open wire feed line running too close to metal objects... ________________________________ From: Ken K6MR Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 9:36 AM To: Jim Rodenkirch; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated "P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share????" Jim: Google "transmission line bounce diagram". This is a simple concept easily proven by mathematics. On a practical level, this is the concept behind the use of open wire feed lines. It's been done for decades. The type of feed line does not change the theory. Ken K6MR From: Jim Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 06:21 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated "It all depends" is/was the premise for my reply, Don. If new and old hams don't understand the potential problems with long runs of coax to/from an antenna they want to operate on multiple bands and an ATU in the shack they will be surprised at how inefficient their system is. P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share???? Note 1: I had a 43' vertical with top loading wires in a NORD-style config with my external ATU at the base of the vertical and 120' of coax back to the shack ---- never saw a VSWR delta of more than .2 between what was "seen" at the input to the tuner and what was "seen" at the xmtr while operating on 160 through 20 meters. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sherwood-s-receiver-performance-table-updated-tp7616652p7616802.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com Wed Apr 27 14:00:36 2016 From: Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com (James Rodenkirch) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:00:36 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Did not mean to sound argumentative, Ken.....apologize if it came out that way....I am "involved" in this discussion becuz' of Don's initial post about new hams not understanding the advantageous aspects of open wire feed line.... ________________________________ From: James Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 10:38 AM To: Ken K6MR; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated It is not "the principle behind the use of open wire feed line," Ken IF, I place an antenna auto tuner at the base of, for instance, a vertical and feed the tuner with low loss coax.... I understand the use of open wire feed line and an ATU prior to attaching to the xmtr....BUT...see above - works as well, if not better 'cuz I don't have to worry about the open wire feed line running too close to metal objects... ________________________________ From: Ken K6MR Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 9:36 AM To: Jim Rodenkirch; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated "P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share????" Jim: Google "transmission line bounce diagram". This is a simple concept easily proven by mathematics. On a practical level, this is the concept behind the use of open wire feed lines. It's been done for decades. The type of feed line does not change the theory. Ken K6MR From: Jim Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 06:21 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated "It all depends" is/was the premise for my reply, Don. If new and old hams don't understand the potential problems with long runs of coax to/from an antenna they want to operate on multiple bands and an ATU in the shack they will be surprised at how inefficient their system is. P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share???? Note 1: I had a 43' vertical with top loading wires in a NORD-style config with my external ATU at the base of the vertical and 120' of coax back to the shack ---- never saw a VSWR delta of more than .2 between what was "seen" at the input to the tuner and what was "seen" at the xmtr while operating on 160 through 20 meters. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sherwood-s-receiver-performance-table-updated-tp7616652p7616802.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com Wed Apr 27 14:10:17 2016 From: Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com (James Rodenkirch) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:10:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree the theory works, Ken, and your reference of/to John Devoldere's book is timely - it sets on my desk right now....I'll rummage through the appropriate chapter(s) to ensure I am not "out on a limb" here....71.5/72 de K9JWV P.S. I've stayed away from open wire line simply 'cuz a) difficult to run long lengths at my QTH and b) can't avoid running it very close to metal at three points 'tween the base of my antenna and the shack. P.S.S. I stated earlier I experience .2 delta in measured VSWR at the input to the tuner and at the coax end plugged in to my KX3 -make .4 db delta, depending on the band in use... From: Ken K6MR Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:31 AM To: James Rodenkirch; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated But the theory works whether you have open wire line or coax: the additional loss due to SWR on the feedline is only a function of the matched feedline loss. There is a good graph in ON4UNs book (and probably others) that shows the additional loss caused by SWR vs. matched line loss. For example, a 5:1 SWR on a line with 0.5 dB matched loss results in an additional 0.6 dB of loss. The type of feedline is immaterial. Is 0.6 dB worth installing a tuner at the antenna given the added complexity? Maybe. Maybe not. It?s all a matter of $/dB. Ken K6MR From: James Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 09:38 To: Ken K6MR; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated It is not "the principle behind the use of open wire feed line," Ken IF, I place an antenna auto tuner at the base of, for instance, a vertical and feed the tuner with low loss coax.... I understand the use of open wire feed line and an ATU prior to attaching to the xmtr....BUT...see above - works as well, if not better 'cuz I don't have to worry about the open wire feed line running too close to metal objects... ________________________________ From: Ken K6MR Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 9:36 AM To: Jim Rodenkirch; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated ?P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share????? Jim: Google ?transmission line bounce diagram?. This is a simple concept easily proven by mathematics. On a practical level, this is the concept behind the use of open wire feed lines. It?s been done for decades. The type of feed line does not change the theory. Ken K6MR From: Jim Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 06:21 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated "It all depends" is/was the premise for my reply, Don. If new and old hams don't understand the potential problems with long runs of coax to/from an antenna they want to operate on multiple bands and an ATU in the shack they will be surprised at how inefficient their system is. P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share???? Note 1: I had a 43' vertical with top loading wires in a NORD-style config with my external ATU at the base of the vertical and 120' of coax back to the shack ---- never saw a VSWR delta of more than .2 between what was "seen" at the input to the tuner and what was "seen" at the xmtr while operating on 160 through 20 meters. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sherwood-s-receiver-performance-table-updated-tp7616652p7616802.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From k6mr at outlook.com Wed Apr 27 14:10:57 2016 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:10:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Message-ID: No problem. Yes, open wire line has its own problems. I was reacting to your note regarding using short runs of coax operated at high SWR. There is nothing inherently inefficient about doing so. Like any design it?s easy to run the numbers to determine what the actual losses are. Many times they are just too small to worry about. Especially in the case of verticals, the ground losses will be far higher unless you invest in an excellent radial/ground shield underneath it. The tuner can?t help that. Ken K6MR From: James Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:01 To: Ken K6MR; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Did not mean to sound argumentative, Ken.....apologize if it came out that way....I am "involved" in this discussion becuz' of Don's initial post about new hams not understanding the advantageous aspects of open wire feed line.... ________________________________ From: James Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 10:38 AM To: Ken K6MR; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated It is not "the principle behind the use of open wire feed line," Ken IF, I place an antenna auto tuner at the base of, for instance, a vertical and feed the tuner with low loss coax.... I understand the use of open wire feed line and an ATU prior to attaching to the xmtr....BUT...see above - works as well, if not better 'cuz I don't have to worry about the open wire feed line running too close to metal objects... ________________________________ From: Ken K6MR Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 9:36 AM To: Jim Rodenkirch; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated "P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share????" Jim: Google "transmission line bounce diagram". This is a simple concept easily proven by mathematics. On a practical level, this is the concept behind the use of open wire feed lines. It's been done for decades. The type of feed line does not change the theory. Ken K6MR From: Jim Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 06:21 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated "It all depends" is/was the premise for my reply, Don. If new and old hams don't understand the potential problems with long runs of coax to/from an antenna they want to operate on multiple bands and an ATU in the shack they will be surprised at how inefficient their system is. P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share???? Note 1: I had a 43' vertical with top loading wires in a NORD-style config with my external ATU at the base of the vertical and 120' of coax back to the shack ---- never saw a VSWR delta of more than .2 between what was "seen" at the input to the tuner and what was "seen" at the xmtr while operating on 160 through 20 meters. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sherwood-s-receiver-performance-table-updated-tp7616652p7616802.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Apr 27 14:11:52 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:11:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Updated K2? In-Reply-To: <000f4244.6bf3cdf96e9dbade@mchsi.com> References: <000f4244.6bf3cdf96e9dbade@mchsi.com> Message-ID: George, The KDSP2 option has been available for the K2 for several years now. It is audio DSP and offers quite good DSP filters as well as a denoiser and a Real Time Clock. It is not "DSP" which includes modulation and demodulation like in the K3(S) or the KX3. If you find the K2 IF filters not adequate for your needs, you may wish to consider the KDSP2. It occupies the same space as the KAF2, so both cannot be in the same K2 at the same time. You may download the KDSP2 manual to see more about it. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/27/2016 1:22 PM, averill at mchsi.com wrote: > I just noticed that the K2 is adv. "Now with DSP".How good is the DSP? > From Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com Wed Apr 27 14:15:41 2016 From: Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com (James Rodenkirch) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:15:41 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ken - I thought my "note"/reply was focused on long runs with low SWR (as in, for instance, a 120' run of LMR-400 with an auto tuner at the base of the vertical or whatever antenna)...... Let's leave radial/ground shield and counterpoise discussion for another time....smiling!! 71.5/72 Jimm R. ________________________________ From: Ken K6MR Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 12:10 PM To: James Rodenkirch; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated No problem. Yes, open wire line has its own problems. I was reacting to your note regarding using short runs of coax operated at high SWR. There is nothing inherently inefficient about doing so. Like any design it?s easy to run the numbers to determine what the actual losses are. Many times they are just too small to worry about. Especially in the case of verticals, the ground losses will be far higher unless you invest in an excellent radial/ground shield underneath it. The tuner can?t help that. Ken K6MR From: James Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:01 To: Ken K6MR; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Did not mean to sound argumentative, Ken.....apologize if it came out that way....I am "involved" in this discussion becuz' of Don's initial post about new hams not understanding the advantageous aspects of open wire feed line.... ________________________________ From: James Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 10:38 AM To: Ken K6MR; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated It is not "the principle behind the use of open wire feed line," Ken IF, I place an antenna auto tuner at the base of, for instance, a vertical and feed the tuner with low loss coax.... I understand the use of open wire feed line and an ATU prior to attaching to the xmtr....BUT...see above - works as well, if not better 'cuz I don't have to worry about the open wire feed line running too close to metal objects... ________________________________ From: Ken K6MR Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 9:36 AM To: Jim Rodenkirch; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated ?P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share????? Jim: Google ?transmission line bounce diagram?. This is a simple concept easily proven by mathematics. On a practical level, this is the concept behind the use of open wire feed lines. It?s been done for decades. The type of feed line does not change the theory. Ken K6MR From: Jim Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 06:21 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated "It all depends" is/was the premise for my reply, Don. If new and old hams don't understand the potential problems with long runs of coax to/from an antenna they want to operate on multiple bands and an ATU in the shack they will be surprised at how inefficient their system is. P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share???? Note 1: I had a 43' vertical with top loading wires in a NORD-style config with my external ATU at the base of the vertical and 120' of coax back to the shack ---- never saw a VSWR delta of more than .2 between what was "seen" at the input to the tuner and what was "seen" at the xmtr while operating on 160 through 20 meters. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sherwood-s-receiver-performance-table-updated-tp7616652p7616802.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Apr 27 14:23:10 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:23:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Updated K2? In-Reply-To: <000f4244.6bf3cdf96e9dbade@mchsi.com> References: <000f4244.6bf3cdf96e9dbade@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <5721038E.5010001@socal.rr.com> I think it's good once you get it adjusted. Adjusting it is a bit complex. You might want to look at the KDSP2 manual http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KDSP2_A1.pdf How to operate it starts on p. 23 or so. Once it's set up, I'd not want to use my K2 without it. 73, Phil W7OX On 4/27/16 10:22 AM, averill at mchsi.com wrote: > > > > > > I just noticed that the K2 is adv. "Now with DSP".How good is the DSP? > George, K4EOR > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone From w7ox at socal.rr.com Wed Apr 27 14:25:09 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:25:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: References: <833A49CD-7C59-4B6B-A952-F914FB449E84@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <57210405.3040704@socal.rr.com> But this discussion seems to have evolved into something difficult to relate to the thread title. You might want to change the title! Phil W7OX On 4/27/16 10:25 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote: > Wow....lots of good stuff emanating from this discussion - tnx to all for participating.... > > For Jerry - there are other reasons for employing an ATU in the shack - e.g., using open wire line feed line from the antenna back to the xmtr. > > _____________________________________ > From: Jerry > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 10:10 AM > To: Ken K6MR > Cc: Jim Rodenkirch; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated > > I always thought the ATU in the shack was specifically to allow operation where there's an impedance mismatch (not necessarily non-resonant) specifically to protect solid state equipment from the high voltages that can be present. > > Obviously an antenna system can be resonant and still not match impedance of the feed line and/or Radio. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 27, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Ken K6MR wrote: >> >> ?P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet >> make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on >> multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to >> share????? >> >> Jim: >> >> Google ?transmission line bounce diagram?. This is a simple concept easily proven by mathematics. >> >> On a practical level, this is the concept behind the use of open wire feed lines. It?s been done for decades. The type of feed line does not change the theory. >> >> Ken K6MR >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Jim Rodenkirch >> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 06:21 >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated >> >> "It all depends" is/was the premise for my reply, Don. >> >> If new and old hams don't understand the potential problems with long runs >> of coax to/from an antenna they want to operate on multiple bands and an ATU >> in the shack they will be surprised at how inefficient their system is. >> >> P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet >> make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on >> multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to >> share???? >> >> Note 1: I had a 43' vertical with top loading wires in a NORD-style config >> with my external ATU at the base of the vertical and 120' of coax back to >> the shack ---- never saw a VSWR delta of more than .2 between what was >> "seen" at the input to the tuner and what was "seen" at the xmtr while >> operating on 160 through 20 meters. From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Wed Apr 27 14:30:47 2016 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:30:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <57210405.3040704@socal.rr.com> References: <833A49CD-7C59-4B6B-A952-F914FB449E84@carolinaheli.com> <57210405.3040704@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <0ff0dfb3-24ca-6534-1c02-c5812fa87462@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Please. I'm always interested in antennas, since I need to figure something out here in the not distant future. Laboratory measurements not so much, and the touch-screen debate is a religious argument. 73 -- Lynn On 4/27/2016 11:25 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > But this discussion seems to have evolved into something difficult to > relate to the thread title. You might want to change the title! From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Apr 27 14:34:56 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:34:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Updated K2? In-Reply-To: <5721038E.5010001@socal.rr.com> References: <000f4244.6bf3cdf96e9dbade@mchsi.com> <5721038E.5010001@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Just a quick note on using the KDSP2 filtering -- For best overall operating (especially in crowded band conditions), it is always better to use XFIL to narrow the IF filter first, then use AFIL to add the KDSP2 filtering if necessary. That keeps the level of strong adjacent signals to a minimum and prevents overload of the AGC (and the resulting receiver de-sense). I do see several operators who use only the DSP filtering, leaving the preceding IF bandwidth 'wide open' - not the best way when the bands are crowded. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/27/2016 2:23 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > I think it's good once you get it adjusted. Adjusting it is a bit > complex. > > You might want to look at the KDSP2 manual > http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KDSP2_A1.pdf How to operate it starts > on p. 23 or so. > > Once it's set up, I'd not want to use my K2 without it. > From bill.va3ol at gmail.com Wed Apr 27 14:38:15 2016 From: bill.va3ol at gmail.com (bill.va3ol at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:38:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] kxpa100 mobile/ portable mounting. Message-ID: Not having the facilities to bend and drill angle brackets to mount my kxpa; what are others using? I am planning to put together an H shaped wooden structure, large enough on the top for the amp and a power supply. The bottom of the H will probably be empty space as I keep my KX3 and all accessories in a nice lunch bag. From k6mr at outlook.com Wed Apr 27 14:52:20 2016 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:52:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner (was Sherwood's receiver performance table updated) Message-ID: Title changed. Hopefully I?ll get this in before Eric puts the ax down :^) Your example is a perfect case: 120? of LMR400 has 0.6 dB loss @ 14 MHz. With a 5:1 SWR the additional loss is 0.75 dB. Which is roughly the difference between 100 watts and 120 watts. Noticeable on the air? I doubt it. Somewhere in the past hams have become obsessed with SWR. With a 2:1 SWR on a feedline with a matched loss of 3.0 dB (which is a bit extreme) there is an additional 0.35 dB of loss. It?s just not big enough to worry about. Of course now that we all have solid state finals 2:1 can be a problem. But a tuner in the shack is a completely reasonable and efficient way to deal with it. Now back to your regularly scheduled touch screen/IC7300 discussion? Ken K6MR From: James Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:16 To: Ken K6MR; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Ken - I thought my "note"/reply was focused on long runs with low SWR (as in, for instance, a 120' run of LMR-400 with an auto tuner at the base of the vertical or whatever antenna)...... Let's leave radial/ground shield and counterpoise discussion for another time....smiling!! 71.5/72 Jimm R. ________________________________ From: Ken K6MR Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 12:10 PM To: James Rodenkirch; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated No problem. Yes, open wire line has its own problems. I was reacting to your note regarding using short runs of coax operated at high SWR. There is nothing inherently inefficient about doing so. Like any design it?s easy to run the numbers to determine what the actual losses are. Many times they are just too small to worry about. Especially in the case of verticals, the ground losses will be far higher unless you invest in an excellent radial/ground shield underneath it. The tuner can?t help that. Ken K6MR From: James Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:01 To: Ken K6MR; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Did not mean to sound argumentative, Ken.....apologize if it came out that way....I am "involved" in this discussion becuz' of Don's initial post about new hams not understanding the advantageous aspects of open wire feed line.... ________________________________ From: James Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 10:38 AM To: Ken K6MR; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated It is not "the principle behind the use of open wire feed line," Ken IF, I place an antenna auto tuner at the base of, for instance, a vertical and feed the tuner with low loss coax.... I understand the use of open wire feed line and an ATU prior to attaching to the xmtr....BUT...see above - works as well, if not better 'cuz I don't have to worry about the open wire feed line running too close to metal objects... ________________________________ From: Ken K6MR Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 9:36 AM To: Jim Rodenkirch; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated ?P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share????? Jim: Google ?transmission line bounce diagram?. This is a simple concept easily proven by mathematics. On a practical level, this is the concept behind the use of open wire feed lines. It?s been done for decades. The type of feed line does not change the theory. Ken K6MR From: Jim Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 06:21 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated "It all depends" is/was the premise for my reply, Don. If new and old hams don't understand the potential problems with long runs of coax to/from an antenna they want to operate on multiple bands and an ATU in the shack they will be surprised at how inefficient their system is. P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share???? Note 1: I had a 43' vertical with top loading wires in a NORD-style config with my external ATU at the base of the vertical and 120' of coax back to the shack ---- never saw a VSWR delta of more than .2 between what was "seen" at the input to the tuner and what was "seen" at the xmtr while operating on 160 through 20 meters. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sherwood-s-receiver-performance-table-updated-tp7616652p7616802.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From k6mr at outlook.com Wed Apr 27 15:16:54 2016 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 12:16:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 on a Network Message-ID: Yes. Run one copy of the remote program as the host. On your client machine run the remote program and click ?Connect?, put in the IP address and port. An easier way (though a bit more expensive) is to get a serial port server. I have the Startech 4 port server that connects me to two KPA500 and two KAT500. They appear as normal serial ports on the client and you connect using the remote program. But if you?ve already got the computer on the host end the software is free :^) Ken K6MR From: Michael Walker Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 10:26 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 on a Network I likely have not spend enough time on this, but as I redo my remote base, I am finding that the I have the KPA500 RS232 port on one computer, but I operating on another computer. With its 'hosting' interface, is there a way to have the client software connect to the server software on a totally different IP address on the same network? Mike va3mw ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From eric at elecraft.com Wed Apr 27 15:18:45 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 12:18:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated In-Reply-To: <57210405.3040704@socal.rr.com> References: <833A49CD-7C59-4B6B-A952-F914FB449E84@carolinaheli.com> <57210405.3040704@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <41b95ba9-64e5-d693-3009-aa13ab915507@elecraft.com> Especially since the prior thread under this name has been closed. 73 Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ On 4/27/2016 11:25 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > But this discussion seems to have evolved into something difficult to relate > to the thread title. You might want to change the title! > > Phil W7OX > > On 4/27/16 10:25 AM, James Rodenkirch wrote: >> Wow....lots of good stuff emanating from this discussion - tnx to all for >> participating.... >> >> For Jerry - there are other reasons for employing an ATU in the shack - e.g., >> using open wire line feed line from the antenna back to the xmtr. >> From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Apr 27 15:21:47 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:21:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99f33950-4df7-3ed9-7702-707741b93e52@embarqmail.com> True, the reasons for an ATU are not all associated with feedline loss. One thing that is often overlooked in these discussions is that older tube type transmitters had an adjustable output network which had a sizable range for matching antennas. You would 'dip the plate' and adjust the 'loading' until you could feed the antenna efficiently. With that, one did not have to pay much attention to SWR or the feedpoint impedance. The PA output network did the job of matching the plate load resistance to whatever was connected to the network output (the antenna). Today's transmitters need to see a low SWR because they were designed to operate into a 50 ohm load. The adjustable elements of the transmitter output have been moved from the transmitter into the ATU because there is nothing to adjust in the transmitter other than the band and VFO. If all your antennas present a 50 ohm load on each band - and across the span of those bands, no ATU is needed at all, but that requires many tuned antennas. Not everyone has that luxury. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/27/2016 2:52 PM, Ken K6MR wrote: > Somewhere in the past hams have become obsessed with SWR. With a 2:1 SWR on a feedline with a matched loss of 3.0 dB (which is a bit extreme) there is an additional 0.35 dB of loss. It?s just not big enough to worry about. > > Of course now that we all have solid state finals 2:1 can be a problem. But a tuner in the shack is a completely reasonable and efficient way to deal with it. > From ac9gkx at gmail.com Wed Apr 27 15:22:28 2016 From: ac9gkx at gmail.com (Steven Stuckey) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:22:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Hamvention Message-ID: Will shirts be available for sale at Dayton this year? -- ?73? Steven Stuckey - AC9GK - Indiana From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Apr 27 15:28:54 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:28:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] kxpa100 mobile/ portable mounting. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3881abac-e306-0711-543e-e9f99f5bd5e6@embarqmail.com> With an "H" shaped wooden structure, why not drill holes in the wood which line up with the holes in the KXPA100? No angle brackets needed. It may need some spacers to stop any side to side movement - easily fashioned of wood. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/27/2016 2:38 PM, bill.va3ol at gmail.com wrote: > Not having the facilities to bend and drill angle brackets to mount my > kxpa; what are others using? > > I am planning to put together an H shaped wooden structure, large enough on > the top for the amp and a power supply. The bottom of the H will probably > be empty space as I keep my KX3 and all accessories in a nice lunch bag. > From eric at elecraft.com Wed Apr 27 15:30:00 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 12:30:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Hamvention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <610ea50a-cc90-f36b-db7e-27c786549a28@elecraft.com> Yes, we will have Elecraft T-shirts. Come early! Eric /elecraft.com/ On 4/27/2016 12:22 PM, Steven Stuckey wrote: > Will shirts be available for sale at Dayton this year? > From k6mr at outlook.com Wed Apr 27 15:30:17 2016 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 12:30:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner Message-ID: ?One thing that is often overlooked in these discussions is that older tube type transmitters had an adjustable output network which had a sizable range for matching antennas.? I remember my DX-20: that thing could load anything! But I?m not going back. Being able to change bands instantly and completely hands free is a big advantage. I continue to make sacrifices to the Amplifier Gods asking for the KPA-1500 :^) Ken K6MR From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 12:23 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner True, the reasons for an ATU are not all associated with feedline loss. One thing that is often overlooked in these discussions is that older tube type transmitters had an adjustable output network which had a sizable range for matching antennas. You would 'dip the plate' and adjust the 'loading' until you could feed the antenna efficiently. With that, one did not have to pay much attention to SWR or the feedpoint impedance. The PA output network did the job of matching the plate load resistance to whatever was connected to the network output (the antenna). Today's transmitters need to see a low SWR because they were designed to operate into a 50 ohm load. The adjustable elements of the transmitter output have been moved from the transmitter into the ATU because there is nothing to adjust in the transmitter other than the band and VFO. If all your antennas present a 50 ohm load on each band - and across the span of those bands, no ATU is needed at all, but that requires many tuned antennas. Not everyone has that luxury. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/27/2016 2:52 PM, Ken K6MR wrote: > Somewhere in the past hams have become obsessed with SWR. With a 2:1 SWR on a feedline with a matched loss of 3.0 dB (which is a bit extreme) there is an additional 0.35 dB of loss. It?s just not big enough to worry about. > > Of course now that we all have solid state finals 2:1 can be a problem. But a tuner in the shack is a completely reasonable and efficient way to deal with it. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From va3mw at portcredit.net Wed Apr 27 15:38:27 2016 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:38:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 on a Network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks I'll do the IP version. No big deal. I do run a number of RS232 over IP devices already as well. Until I get up to the remote base with some spare time, I can do this change remotely. I appreciate it. Mike va3mw On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ken K6MR wrote: > Yes. Run one copy of the remote program as the host. On your client > machine run the remote program and click ?Connect?, put in the IP address > and port. > > An easier way (though a bit more expensive) is to get a serial port > server. I have the Startech 4 port server that connects me to two KPA500 > and two KAT500. They appear as normal serial ports on the client and you > connect using the remote program. > > But if you?ve already got the computer on the host end the software is > free :^) > > Ken K6MR > > > > From: Michael Walker > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 10:26 > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 on a Network > > > > > > > I likely have not spend enough time on this, but as I redo my remote base, > I am finding that the I have the KPA500 RS232 port on one computer, but I > operating on another computer. > > With its 'hosting' interface, is there a way to have the client software > connect to the server software on a totally different IP address on the > same network? > > Mike va3mw > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com > > > > From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 16:08:18 2016 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner In-Reply-To: <99f33950-4df7-3ed9-7702-707741b93e52@embarqmail.com> References: <99f33950-4df7-3ed9-7702-707741b93e52@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <839889470.2776735.1461787698802.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> While this not about feedline loss.? But, Don brings up a point about antennas in general that cover all bands with a ~50 match.?? I have only tried two.? The discone and the log periodic for 20 Meters and up.? The discone wins on footprint and the log winds on gain/directivity.? But is much bigger.? Along came SteppIR. Mel, K6KBE From: Don Wilhelm To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner True, the reasons for an ATU are not all associated with feedline loss. One thing that is often overlooked in these discussions is that older tube type transmitters had an adjustable output network which had a sizable range for matching antennas.? You would 'dip the plate' and adjust the 'loading' until you could feed the antenna efficiently.? With that, one did not have to pay much attention to SWR or the feedpoint impedance.? The PA output network did the job of matching the plate load resistance to whatever was connected to the network output (the antenna). Today's transmitters need to see a low SWR because they were designed to operate into a 50 ohm load.? The adjustable elements of the transmitter output have been moved from the transmitter into the ATU because there is nothing to adjust in the transmitter other than the band and VFO. If all your antennas present a 50 ohm load on each band - and across the span of those bands, no ATU is needed at all, but that requires many tuned antennas.? Not everyone has that luxury. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/27/2016 2:52 PM, Ken K6MR wrote: > Somewhere in the past hams have become obsessed with SWR.? With a 2:1 SWR on a feedline with a matched loss of 3.0 dB (which is a bit extreme) there is an additional 0.35 dB of loss. It?s just not big enough to worry about. > > Of course now that we all have solid state finals 2:1 can be a problem. But a tuner in the shack is a completely reasonable and efficient way to deal with it. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Apr 27 16:23:03 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:23:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner In-Reply-To: <839889470.2776735.1461787698802.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <99f33950-4df7-3ed9-7702-707741b93e52@embarqmail.com> <839889470.2776735.1461787698802.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57211FA7.9050201@triconet.org> I don't own one, but I've helped put one up for a fellow club member. Based on his. and other members' experiences, if you like failures out of the box, and as an ongoing proposition, go for it. On 4/27/2016 1:08 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > Along came SteppIR. From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Apr 27 16:35:16 2016 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:35:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner In-Reply-To: <99f33950-4df7-3ed9-7702-707741b93e52@embarqmail.com> References: <99f33950-4df7-3ed9-7702-707741b93e52@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1c2abe92-537c-25a2-8f35-069017ecec33@foothill.net> Indeed! I don't remember when the acronym "SWR" crept into the Amateur lexicon, or we became concerned about it, but I'm pretty sure I was rapidly approaching "OT Status" when it happened. Early on, we link coupled to the final tank inductor and any reactance in the feedline just changed the resonant point which was adjustable of course. With the advent of the ubiquitous pi-network, we were just matching the impedance presented by the feedline to the plate impedance of the PA's [a couple of K ohms or so]. There is probably no single thing in a ham station more misunderstood [or mis-named] than "The Antenna Tuner." 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn On 4/27/2016 12:21 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > One thing that is often overlooked in these discussions is that older > tube type transmitters had an adjustable output network which had a > sizable range for matching antennas. You would 'dip the plate' and > adjust the 'loading' until you could feed the antenna efficiently. With > that, one did not have to pay much attention to SWR or the feedpoint > impedance. The PA output network did the job of matching the plate load > resistance to whatever was connected to the network output (the antenna). From rmoodyg at bellsouth.net Wed Apr 27 17:23:00 2016 From: rmoodyg at bellsouth.net (Richard gillingham) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 21:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner References: <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I dunno, Mine (3 el Steppir) has been up since 2003 with no trouble whatsoever. Less trouble than I've had with the Butternut vert I have for the lower bands. Gil, W1RG -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 4/27/16, Wes wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2016, 4:23 PM I don't own one, but I've helped put one up for a fellow club member.? Based on his. and other members' experiences, if you like failures out of the box, and as an ongoing proposition, go for it. On 4/27/2016 1:08 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > Along came SteppIR. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmoodyg at bellsouth.net From ron at cobi.biz Wed Apr 27 17:30:55 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:30:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001c01d1a0cc$150ea970$3f2bfc50$@biz> The modern combination of a fixed-tune filter plus that ATU means much better harmonic suppression than we got with the old pi or pi-L networks. That's not just "nice", it's generally needed here in the USA to meet modern FCC specs. And with digital logic flipping the knobs (or, rather the relays to do the same thing) the operator is completely isolated from the much more complex adjustments being made beyond the initial buzz of the relays before the tuning solution is stored. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken K6MR Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 12:30 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner ?One thing that is often overlooked in these discussions is that older tube type transmitters had an adjustable output network which had a sizable range for matching antennas.? I remember my DX-20: that thing could load anything! But I?m not going back. Being able to change bands instantly and completely hands free is a big advantage. I continue to make sacrifices to the Amplifier Gods asking for the KPA-1500 :^) Ken K6MR From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 12:23 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner True, the reasons for an ATU are not all associated with feedline loss. One thing that is often overlooked in these discussions is that older tube type transmitters had an adjustable output network which had a sizable range for matching antennas. You would 'dip the plate' and adjust the 'loading' until you could feed the antenna efficiently. With that, one did not have to pay much attention to SWR or the feedpoint impedance. The PA output network did the job of matching the plate load resistance to whatever was connected to the network output (the antenna). Today's transmitters need to see a low SWR because they were designed to operate into a 50 ohm load. The adjustable elements of the transmitter output have been moved from the transmitter into the ATU because there is nothing to adjust in the transmitter other than the band and VFO. If all your antennas present a 50 ohm load on each band - and across the span of those bands, no ATU is needed at all, but that requires many tuned antennas. Not everyone has that luxury. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/27/2016 2:52 PM, Ken K6MR wrote: > Somewhere in the past hams have become obsessed with SWR. With a 2:1 SWR on a feedline with a matched loss of 3.0 dB (which is a bit extreme) there is an additional 0.35 dB of loss. It?s just not big enough to worry about. > > Of course now that we all have solid state finals 2:1 can be a problem. But a tuner in the shack is a completely reasonable and efficient way to deal with it. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From eric at elecraft.com Wed Apr 27 17:31:29 2016 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:31:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner In-Reply-To: <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <618405bd-9d4b-ced4-ba8f-0c63771268d0@elecraft.com> I've had my 4 El Steppir (20-10, plus 2 more fixed el for 6 m) up for over ten years 1 mile from the Ocean. Zero problems. Great antenna. Eric /elecraft.com/ On 4/27/2016 2:23 PM, Richard gillingham wrote: > I dunno, Mine (3 el Steppir) has been up since 2003 with no trouble whatsoever. Less trouble than I've had with the Butternut vert I have for the lower bands. > > Gil, W1RG > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 4/27/16, Wes wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2016, 4:23 PM > > I don't own one, but > I've helped put one up for a fellow club member. Based > on > his. and other members' experiences, > if you like failures out of the box, and as > an ongoing proposition, go for it. > > On 4/27/2016 1:08 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft > wrote: > > Along came SteppIR. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmoodyg at bellsouth.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From ac2ev at frontier.com Wed Apr 27 17:38:30 2016 From: ac2ev at frontier.com (ac2ev at frontier.com) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:38:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Procedure: Setting the DSP filters for SSB Message-ID: One thing on my K3 that's made me wonder if I'm doing it right is how to adjust the various filters and settings to accomplish two things. 1. During contests, how to best adjust to hear the station and not the guy 2.5KHz away 2. When trying to hear the weak DX, not be blasted by that guy from Florida or Texas running a kilowatt. I work SSB only at this point and haven't found any videos that show how to best adjust things. Don Kiser - AC2EV RARA Board member VE Team Leader 585-613-1035 From n1eu.barry at gmail.com Wed Apr 27 17:44:04 2016 From: n1eu.barry at gmail.com (Barry N1EU) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 21:44:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Procedure: Setting the DSP filters for SSB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For ssb, you're only real hope is to adjust that interfering guy's transmitter. 73, Barry N1EU On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 9:38 PM, wrote: > One thing on my K3 that's made me wonder if I'm doing it right is how to > adjust the various filters and settings to accomplish two things. > > 1. During contests, how to best adjust to hear the station and not the guy > 2.5KHz away > > 2. When trying to hear the weak DX, not be blasted by that guy from > Florida or Texas running a kilowatt. > > I work SSB only at this point and haven't found any videos that show how > to best adjust things. > > Don Kiser - AC2EV > RARA Board member > VE Team Leader > 585-613-1035 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1eu.barry at gmail.com > From ron at cobi.biz Wed Apr 27 17:50:05 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:50:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner In-Reply-To: <1c2abe92-537c-25a2-8f35-069017ecec33@foothill.net> References: <99f33950-4df7-3ed9-7702-707741b93e52@embarqmail.com> <1c2abe92-537c-25a2-8f35-069017ecec33@foothill.net> Message-ID: <001d01d1a0ce$c2cbd360$48637a20$@biz> My first "radio book", the 1941 ARRL Radio Amateur's Handbook, mentions SWR in passing, but nearly everyone used open wire feed lines before WWII that, with their moderately high impedances (450 to 600 ohms), had rather low loss at any SWR one was likely to encounter. So Ham concerns with SWR were mostly academic and limited to the antenna "theory" discussions. The need for shielding to minimize TVI and the huge amounts of very cheap "war surplus" coaxial cable after WWII changed the feed line landscape very quickly. The low impedance of that coax (50 ohms) meant that feed line losses were no longer insignificant although it took a number of years for coax to become the dominant feed line. By the 1950's QST was publishing designs for homebrewing an SWR Meter several times a year. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 1:35 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner Indeed! I don't remember when the acronym "SWR" crept into the Amateur lexicon, or we became concerned about it, but I'm pretty sure I was rapidly approaching "OT Status" when it happened. Early on, we link coupled to the final tank inductor and any reactance in the feedline just changed the resonant point which was adjustable of course. With the advent of the ubiquitous pi-network, we were just matching the impedance presented by the feedline to the plate impedance of the PA's [a couple of K ohms or so]. There is probably no single thing in a ham station more misunderstood [or mis-named] than "The Antenna Tuner." 73, Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Washoe County DM09dn From Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com Wed Apr 27 18:08:21 2016 From: Rodenkirch_LLC at msn.com (James Rodenkirch) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 22:08:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner (was Sherwood's receiver performance table updated) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Annnnnnnnnnnd, at lower freqs/bands it means less loss....even at QRPp or QRP levels, not that big a deal.... Ken, et all: with my auto tuner at the base of my Inverted U (view my qrz dot com page for a wiring schema) and 120' of LMR 400 coax the maximum VSWR my KX3 ever shows is 1.6:1 (from 160 through 15). THAT's my foci and resulting mantra ...."No auto tuner or tuner or whatever in the shack!!" ________________________________ From: Ken K6MR Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 12:52 PM To: James Rodenkirch; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner (was Sherwood's receiver performance table updated) Title changed. Hopefully I?ll get this in before Eric puts the ax down :^) Your example is a perfect case: 120? of LMR400 has 0.6 dB loss @ 14 MHz. With a 5:1 SWR the additional loss is 0.75 dB. Which is roughly the difference between 100 watts and 120 watts. Noticeable on the air? I doubt it. Somewhere in the past hams have become obsessed with SWR. With a 2:1 SWR on a feedline with a matched loss of 3.0 dB (which is a bit extreme) there is an additional 0.35 dB of loss. It?s just not big enough to worry about. Of course now that we all have solid state finals 2:1 can be a problem. But a tuner in the shack is a completely reasonable and efficient way to deal with it. Now back to your regularly scheduled touch screen/IC7300 discussion? Ken K6MR From: James Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:16 To: Ken K6MR; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Ken - I thought my "note"/reply was focused on long runs with low SWR (as in, for instance, a 120' run of LMR-400 with an auto tuner at the base of the vertical or whatever antenna)...... Let's leave radial/ground shield and counterpoise discussion for another time....smiling!! 71.5/72 Jimm R. ________________________________ From: Ken K6MR Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 12:10 PM To: James Rodenkirch; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated No problem. Yes, open wire line has its own problems. I was reacting to your note regarding using short runs of coax operated at high SWR. There is nothing inherently inefficient about doing so. Like any design it?s easy to run the numbers to determine what the actual losses are. Many times they are just too small to worry about. Especially in the case of verticals, the ground losses will be far higher unless you invest in an excellent radial/ground shield underneath it. The tuner can?t help that. Ken K6MR From: James Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:01 To: Ken K6MR; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated Did not mean to sound argumentative, Ken.....apologize if it came out that way....I am "involved" in this discussion becuz' of Don's initial post about new hams not understanding the advantageous aspects of open wire feed line.... ________________________________ From: James Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 10:38 AM To: Ken K6MR; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated It is not "the principle behind the use of open wire feed line," Ken IF, I place an antenna auto tuner at the base of, for instance, a vertical and feed the tuner with low loss coax.... I understand the use of open wire feed line and an ATU prior to attaching to the xmtr....BUT...see above - works as well, if not better 'cuz I don't have to worry about the open wire feed line running too close to metal objects... ________________________________ From: Ken K6MR Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 9:36 AM To: Jim Rodenkirch; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated ?P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share????? Jim: Google ?transmission line bounce diagram?. This is a simple concept easily proven by mathematics. On a practical level, this is the concept behind the use of open wire feed lines. It?s been done for decades. The type of feed line does not change the theory. Ken K6MR From: Jim Rodenkirch Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 06:21 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood's receiver performance table updated "It all depends" is/was the premise for my reply, Don. If new and old hams don't understand the potential problems with long runs of coax to/from an antenna they want to operate on multiple bands and an ATU in the shack they will be surprised at how inefficient their system is. P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that quality coax runs of < 150 feet make it "ok" to have the ATU in the shack while operating an antenna on multiple bands....what technical evidence of that posit do you have to share???? Note 1: I had a 43' vertical with top loading wires in a NORD-style config with my external ATU at the base of the vertical and 120' of coax back to the shack ---- never saw a VSWR delta of more than .2 between what was "seen" at the input to the tuner and what was "seen" at the xmtr while operating on 160 through 20 meters. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Sherwood-s-receiver-performance-table-updated-tp7616652p7616802.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Apr 27 18:26:17 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:26:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Procedure: Setting the DSP filters for SSB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1a7cafc3-8c38-8b37-8f99-38a3d54761fa@embarqmail.com> Don, Actually the answer to #1 is not difficult at all - use Hi Cut and Lo Cut when operating SSB. The Width and Shift are best left for CW and digital modes. Hi Cut and Lo Cut automatically change the center frequency. Attempting to use Shift and Width in SSB can be a matter of frustration because when the width is changed, you must adjust shift to maintain intelligibility. If the station interfering is on the high frequency side, you are in luck, you can use an extreme amount of Hi Cut to kill the interference and continue with your QSO. The desired signal may lose a lot of its natural sound, but will still be intelligible. If the offending signal is on the low frequency side, your luck may be more limited. You cannot cut a lot of the low frequency side of the human voice and still maintain intelligibility. If you get the Lo Cut much above 500Hz intelligibility will have a severe impact. That is just the "way it is", the human voice needs frequencies in the 500 to 1500Hz range for intelligibility, and there is not much that can be done about that fact. For #2, if the strong station is taking over the AGC in your K3, the only cure is to add more narrow roofing filters. I don't have any video references (and I don't find them to be of value), but try the techniques I have outlined above on your own station - you will hear the difference. Even when there is no interference, see how much Hi Cut you can use while still maintaining intelligibility, then see how far you can cut the low side and still maintain intelligibility. That will give you an understanding of how much you can cut. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/27/2016 5:38 PM, ac2ev at frontier.com wrote: > One thing on my K3 that's made me wonder if I'm doing it right is how to adjust the various filters and settings to accomplish two things. > > 1. During contests, how to best adjust to hear the station and not the guy 2.5KHz away > > 2. When trying to hear the weak DX, not be blasted by that guy from Florida or Texas running a kilowatt. > > From w6sx at arrl.net Wed Apr 27 18:30:06 2016 From: w6sx at arrl.net (Hank Garretson) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:30:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline Loss With Mismatched Loads In-Reply-To: <57213C89.1030202@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5720E3AF.2080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <572101DF.4010709@gmail.com> <57213C89.1030202@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Jim Brown wrote: Could you rebuild that rotary dipole as a fan? A 40/20 fan would also give > you 15. It's worth spending some time with EZNEC. Did you see the great > work that W6SX did to multi-band his wires? He showed it at an NCCC > meeting. Dunno if it's online, but it's worth chasing down. > http://tinyurl.com/grbzufx 73, Hank, W6SX From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Apr 27 18:37:58 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:37:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner In-Reply-To: <618405bd-9d4b-ced4-ba8f-0c63771268d0@elecraft.com> References: <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <618405bd-9d4b-ced4-ba8f-0c63771268d0@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <57213F46.2060901@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,4/27/2016 2:31 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > I've had my 4 El Steppir (20-10, plus 2 more fixed el for 6 m) up for > over ten years 1 mile from the Ocean. Zero problems. My 3-el (no trombones) has been up on a 120 ft tower about 12 miles N of Eric's QTH for about 7 years, also with no problems I can blame on the antenna (but several I can blame on myself). :) I find the antenna quite effective on all bands, 20-6M. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Apr 27 18:40:27 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:40:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline Loss With Mismatched Loads In-Reply-To: <000f426d.20872ca25b8a52e8@yahoo.com> References: <000f426d.20872ca25b8a52e8@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57213FDB.7060308@audiosystemsgroup.com> Actually, Walt Maxwell is NOT the best source -- there are fundamental errors in it, which is why ARRL no longer publishes it. 73, Jim K9YC On Wed,4/27/2016 9:58 AM, Mark, ars: KE6BB wrote: > > The best source is "Reflections" by Walter Maxwell, W2DU, originally > published as a series of articles in QST (difficult to read due to the > poor scans) and then published by ARRL as a book. The latest edition > is "Reflections III" published by CQ Communications, but currently > sold out. > > > > If you really want to understand what is happening on a transmission > line, how an ATU works, etc., then this is the book you should read. > Be warned, though, it is NOT an "easy read", but more of a "great > study". It requires a lot of thought and re-reading to absorb, but is > well worth the effort. > > > > Mark, > > > ars: KE6BB > From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Apr 27 18:41:34 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:41:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner In-Reply-To: <57213F46.2060901@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <618405bd-9d4b-ced4-ba8f-0c63771268d0@elecraft.com> <57213F46.2060901@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Extrapolating from these two data points, it appears that Steppir reliability is inversely proportional to the distance from Eric's QTH. Wayne On Apr 27, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Wed,4/27/2016 2:31 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> I've had my 4 El Steppir (20-10, plus 2 more fixed el for 6 m) up for over ten years 1 mile from the Ocean. Zero problems. > > My 3-el (no trombones) has been up on a 120 ft tower about 12 miles N of Eric's QTH for about 7 years, also with no problems I can blame on the antenna (but several I can blame on myself). :) I find the antenna quite effective on all bands, 20-6M. > > 73, Jim K9YC From mikerodgerske5gbc at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 18:51:39 2016 From: mikerodgerske5gbc at yahoo.com (mikerodgerske5gbc at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:51:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Setting the DSP filters for SSB Message-ID: You should be using hi/lo cut. You can leave lo pretty much alone at 200 or 0.20. Adjust hi cut to your preference or qrm. If you have narrow filters, they will engage at the set points. Sometimes it's best to use ATT before rf gain. On low bands with static crashes its sometimes helpfull to raise lo cut. 73 Mike R Original post- Subject: [Elecraft] Procedure: Setting the DSP filters for SSB Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" One thing on my K3 that's made me wonder if I'm doing it right is how to adjust the various filters and settings to accomplish two things. 1. During contests, how to best adjust to hear the station and not the guy 2.5KHz away 2. When trying to hear the weak DX, not be blasted by that guy from Florida or Texas running a kilowatt. I work SSB only at this point and haven't found any videos that show how to best adjust things. Don Kiser - AC2EV RARA Board member VE Team Leader Find me on "Zello", a walkie talkie or handi talkie type app. I'm listed as KE5GBC. I'm mostly on late at night. From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Wed Apr 27 19:01:40 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:01:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner In-Reply-To: References: <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <618405bd-9d4b-ced4-ba8f-0c63771268d0@elecraft.com> <57213F46.2060901@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <572144D4.3090808@mediacombb.net> I knew I was right not to get one. Thanks Wayne.:-) On 4/27/2016 5:41 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Extrapolating from these two data points, it appears that Steppir reliability is inversely proportional to the distance from Eric's QTH. > > Wayne > > > On Apr 27, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Wed,4/27/2016 2:31 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >>> I've had my 4 El Steppir (20-10, plus 2 more fixed el for 6 m) up for over ten years 1 mile from the Ocean. Zero problems. >> My 3-el (no trombones) has been up on a 120 ft tower about 12 miles N of Eric's QTH for about 7 years, also with no problems I can blame on the antenna (but several I can blame on myself). :) I find the antenna quite effective on all bands, 20-6M. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > > > > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Wed Apr 27 20:02:54 2016 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:02:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Setting the DSP filters for SSB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5721532E.7080107@nycap.rr.com> I usually run the ATT and RF Gain at about 90 on 75 and 40 meters SSB. This gives the DSP system a running chance at cleaning things up. The K3 has such a good receiver, all the extra input is not needed. When telling others about my method, I am often met with a "deer in the headlights" look. It appears that a lot of ops have no clue about reducing noise by reducing the input to the receiver. Works for me and has for many many years - even well before DSP. Using the LO - cut - Hi is just frosting on the cake. Life is good! Bill W2BLC K-Line From frank at pwizardry.com Wed Apr 27 20:14:14 2016 From: frank at pwizardry.com (frank) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:14:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 Part 1 build issue In-Reply-To: <572144D4.3090808@mediacombb.net> References: <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <618405bd-9d4b-ced4-ba8f-0c63771268d0@elecraft.com> <57213F46.2060901@audiosystemsgroup.com> <572144D4.3090808@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <572155D6.9020203@pwizardry.com> I'm building a KX1 and finished Part 1. I encountered problems during testing. First I noticed when scrolling through the MENU items some some segments of the LED display don't light on some menu item names. However the same segment might light on another menu item. Now it's started going dark during testing and not coming back on after button clicks or encoder turns. When it does this the 5v and 6v lines still have correct voltages and nothing feels hot to the touch. The only way to get it to come back is to turn it off and wait a while. I've carefully checked parts placement and solder joints and can find no problems, and it passes all the part 1 voltage tests. What should I do? Thanks, --Frank Cox From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Apr 27 20:26:23 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:26:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SteppIR Experiences - was Re: Feedline loss w/wo tuner In-Reply-To: <618405bd-9d4b-ced4-ba8f-0c63771268d0@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Since thinking about tuned for ever frequency with the SteppIR, I've developed a bit of SteppIR lust. Please let me know off list if you have had problems with them. I'll summarize any significant response for the list since this is kind of off topic. I won't actually do anything until my tower application to the Los Gatos (CA) planning department goes through. Any advice about that will also be appreciated. 73 Bill AE6JV On 4/27/16 at 2:31 PM, eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) wrote: >I've had my 4 El Steppir (20-10, plus 2 more fixed el for 6 m) >up for over ten years 1 mile from the Ocean. Zero problems. > >Great antenna. > >Eric >/elecraft.com/ > >On 4/27/2016 2:23 PM, Richard gillingham wrote: >>I dunno, Mine (3 el Steppir) has been up since 2003 with no trouble whatsoever. Less trouble than >I've had with the Butternut vert I have for the lower bands. >> >>Gil, W1RG ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Apr 27 20:41:30 2016 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:41:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Procedure: Setting the DSP filters for SSB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, these are always problems. 1) To avoid the guy 2.5KHz away, cut the high frequency cut off down low. I frequently operate it at 2.05 or 2.15 KHz. I keep the low frequency cutoff much more constant at .25 to .36 KHz. This procedure will keep most of the interfering signal out of the audio. 2) That weak DX is always a problem. If he is running split and you have a subreceiver, then adjust the two receiver AF volume control differently. If the loud signal is on the same frequency, you can try to adjust the AGC parameters to "even out" the audio. The AGC SLP parameter is the one to look at first, but a warning. It is an advanced control, and requires TECH MD ON to adjust. Many on the list think the K3 comes set too flat already. But you can always return the settings to the default listed in the manual if you don't like your results. 73 Bill AE6JV On 4/27/16 at 2:38 PM, ac2ev at frontier.com wrote: >1. During contests, how to best adjust to hear the station and not the guy 2.5KHz away > >2. When trying to hear the weak DX, not be blasted by that guy >from Florida or Texas running a kilowatt. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | gets() remains as a monument | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | to C's continuing support of | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | buffer overruns. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Apr 27 20:46:23 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:46:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 Part 1 build issue In-Reply-To: <572155D6.9020203@pwizardry.com> References: <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <618405bd-9d4b-ced4-ba8f-0c63771268d0@elecraft.com> <57213F46.2060901@audiosystemsgroup.com> <572144D4.3090808@mediacombb.net> <572155D6.9020203@pwizardry.com> Message-ID: <8ec67ac0-5f82-202a-2a4d-42488dd7bbf3@embarqmail.com> Frank, That "smells" like a bad solder connection somewhere. I would go back over the soldering with an iron temperature of 750 degF or hotter. Make certain that the solder flows out completely onto both the component lead and the solder pad - add a bit of solder as you go (you should actually be adding flux). A solder dwell time with a sufficiently hot iron should happen in 3 to 4 seconds. If the solder does not flow out in that time, the iron is too cold. If it happens in 1 second or less, the iron is too hot. Look at you solder connection. With thru-hole components, you should see the solder wick through the thru-hole connections on the board. A sage builder said that good solder connections should look like a mountain, but not like a volcano. Your solder connections should have a nice fillet around the component lead, and it should be concave. If the solder connections look more like balls, then sufficient heat has not been applied and will result in a faulty connection. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/27/2016 8:14 PM, frank wrote: > I'm building a KX1 and finished Part 1. I encountered problems during > testing. > > First I noticed when scrolling through the MENU items some some > segments of the LED display don't light on some menu item names. > However the same segment might light on another menu item. > > Now it's started going dark during testing and not coming back on > after button clicks or encoder turns. When it does this the 5v and 6v > lines still have correct voltages and nothing feels hot to the touch. > The only way to get it to come back is to turn it off and wait a while. > > I've carefully checked parts placement and solder joints and can find > no problems, and it passes all the part 1 voltage tests. > > What should I do? > From Gary at ka1j.com Wed Apr 27 20:51:07 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:51:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - No transmit Message-ID: <57215E7B.2459.5027803@Gary.ka1j.com> I just added some filters to the K3s and configured the filters with the K3 config. The radio hears perfectly on all the modes and the filters are working beautifully. now however, it does not transmit. It is not in test mode. I did nothing else to the radio while I had it open. Tapping a key, SSB or pressing XMIT and there is zero output.this at 1W or 25W. The red TX LED lights. It signals the relay in the amp properly. On the P3 transmit monitor I see .02-.03W PEP registering, no SWR reading and the LP-100A shows no sign of a signal. I restored a known good configuration with no change. No error messages are showing, no warning message on startup. 13.6 V on the K3 meter. trying the ATU, it shows 5W on the display, relays clack, no output on the P3 output except that .02-.03W & nothing on the LP100A I have triple checked to be sure all the coax to the Synths, TXCO & Sub are attached properly. I have made sure all the connections to the sub RX are inserted properly. I must be missing something obvious. Any ideas what I might look at? Thanks Gary KA1J From jdwalkerjr at aol.com Wed Apr 27 20:51:24 2016 From: jdwalkerjr at aol.com (James D. (Jimmy) Walker, Jr.) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:51:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Firmware Problem Message-ID: I'm having my old firmware problem again. My K-3 refused to turn on this afternoon displaying the dreaded MCU LD at the bottom of screen. Past experience has demonstrated that this indicates a problem with the K-3 firmware. I've had several theories proposed for a solution, none of which have been successful. By way of further background, I can solve the problem by disconnecting the P3 from the line going to the computer and reloading the firmware directly to the K-3 from the computer. In this way, with only the radio connected to the computer, I can reload the firmware, solving the problem. This is most inconvenient but, fortunately, it does provide a solution. For those on this reflector who have followed my problem, here's a new possibility for solution. I have one of the earlier K-3?s with a .5 amp rating on the DC power output. I understand newer K-3's are rated for 1 amp or more. I've had my P-3 Panadapter set up to turn on automatically at the time of the start of the radio. I now wonder if this drain on the DC output by the P3 Panadapter may have caused a significant voltage causing the system to bomb out. I have now adjusted the jumpers on the P-3 so as to start the P-3 manually after the radio. I wonder if anyone has any ideas that this might have been a good solution or is instead of another blind alley? I guess I?ll find out sooner or later. As far as I know I?m the only user having this problem. Jimmy, WA4ILO From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Apr 27 20:59:45 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 16:59:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner Message-ID: <201604280059.u3S0xjln031429@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Well my guess that most hams have the tuner at the radio (or inside the radio). I was trying to minimize my cost when I bought my K3/10 (only $2900 with accessories), so I did not buy the 100w amp or atu. I already had a used MFJ mobile tuner (good to 200w) so that sufficed. The MFJ finally died (not worth fixing) so I bought a used Drake MN2000 manual tuner. It handled my CCI 300w amp (and gave a handy RF meter to show output). It is in the shack (arms not long enough to reach the knobs on top of my tower at 50-feet). I only have two operating HF antenna: 80-40m fan inverted-V and Hygain TH3mk4 triband yagi. 80m matches where I operate (75m phone) and 40m needs a bit of tuner with 3:1 SWR. The old tribander needs a bit on all bands. Tuner only use is to make the ssa happy with providing a 50-ohm load. Feedlines are about 80-foot. I have one more wire antenna which is used on 600m: 43x122 foot inverted-L. I has a huge base coil for matching. SWR bw is about 5-KHz (495-500 KHz) and efficiency is < 1%. But my 4w ERP has been received in Buffalo, NY; not too shabby. Feedline SWR runs about 1.5 for the 100w amp. My first transmitter was the DX35 with 6146 and pi-net output tank. Peak n Dip could load anything. SWR? whas dat? I did not have a power meter. FCC regs told me I could run 75w dc input. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Wed Apr 27 21:00:46 2016 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:00:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - No transmit In-Reply-To: <57215E7B.2459.5027803@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <57215E7B.2459.5027803@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <572160BE.8060306@mediacombb.net> Open up the utility again and make sure you have specified a transmit filter for all modes. On 4/27/2016 7:51 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > I just added some filters to the K3s and configured the filters with > the K3 config. The radio hears perfectly on all the modes and the > filters are working beautifully. now however, it does not transmit. > It is not in test mode. > > I did nothing else to the radio while I had it open. > > Tapping a key, SSB or pressing XMIT and there is zero output.this at > 1W or 25W. > > The red TX LED lights. > > It signals the relay in the amp properly. > > On the P3 transmit monitor I see .02-.03W PEP registering, no SWR > reading and the LP-100A shows no sign of a signal. > > I restored a known good configuration with no change. > > No error messages are showing, no warning message on startup. > > 13.6 V on the K3 meter. > > trying the ATU, it shows 5W on the display, relays clack, no output > on the P3 output except that .02-.03W & nothing on the LP100A > > I have triple checked to be sure all the coax to the Synths, TXCO & > Sub are attached properly. > > I have made sure all the connections to the sub RX are inserted > properly. > > I must be missing something obvious. Any ideas what I might look at? > > Thanks > > Gary > KA1J > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevin.stover at mediacombb.net > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From alorona at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 27 21:10:38 2016 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 01:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Updated K2? In-Reply-To: <5721038E.5010001@socal.rr.com> References: <5721038E.5010001@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1769244423.2936020.1461805838666.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Something really nice about the K2's DSP is that all of the bandwidth, gain, and denoising parameters are adjustable. There is a wide range of filtering and denoising possible with very fine gradations. If you like to tweak, go for it. But, as Phil implies, if you lack the patience to get the parameters just right you'll be stuck with the defaults, which may or may not agree with your idea of just-right noise reduction. Al W6LX >I think it's good once you get it adjusted. >Adjusting it is a bit complex. >73, Phil W7OX From Gary at ka1j.com Wed Apr 27 21:18:44 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 21:18:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - No transmit Message-ID: <572164F4.20606.51BC231@Gary.ka1j.com> There is: 2.8K is for CW and SSB 6K is for AM and the FM is checked by default. Installed in the main is: FL1 6K - {AM} FL2 2.8K - {CW & SSB} FL3 1K FL4 400 Hz FL5 200 Hz Sub: FL1 6K FL2 2.7K FL3 1K FL4 500 Hz FL5 250 Hz When running through Config I only see FL4 listed, no other filters show up as in FL5, FL3, FL2 & FL1 FL4 Config options read: FL4 BW rF .40 FL4 FREQ rF 0.00 FL4 GN rF 0db FL4 ON rF yes FLTX SB FL2 73, Gary KA1J > Open up the utility again and make sure you have specified a transmit > filter for all modes. > > On 4/27/2016 7:51 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > > I just added some filters to the K3s and configured the filters with > > the K3 config. The radio hears perfectly on all the modes and the > > filters are working beautifully. now however, it does not transmit. > > It is not in test mode. > > > > I did nothing else to the radio while I had it open. > > > > Tapping a key, SSB or pressing XMIT and there is zero output.this at > > 1W or 25W. > > > > The red TX LED lights. > > > > It signals the relay in the amp properly. > > > > On the P3 transmit monitor I see .02-.03W PEP registering, no SWR > > reading and the LP-100A shows no sign of a signal. > > > > I restored a known good configuration with no change. > > > > No error messages are showing, no warning message on startup. > > > > 13.6 V on the K3 meter. > > > > trying the ATU, it shows 5W on the display, relays clack, no output > > on the P3 output except that .02-.03W & nothing on the LP100A > > > > I have triple checked to be sure all the coax to the Synths, TXCO & > > Sub are attached properly. > > > > I have made sure all the connections to the sub RX are inserted > > properly. > > > > I must be missing something obvious. Any ideas what I might look at? > > > > Thanks > > > > Gary > > KA1J > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to kevin.stover at mediacombb.net > > > > > -- > R. Kevin Stover > AC0H > ARRL > FISTS #11993 > SKCC #215 > NAQCC #3441 > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From w7lkg at comcast.net Wed Apr 27 21:25:40 2016 From: w7lkg at comcast.net (Richard S. Leary) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:25:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner In-Reply-To: <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01d1a0ec$e1143920$a33cab60$@net> Gil, et All Have to agree with you. Raised my DB-18 (3 el) on 10/18/2010. Built it myself, but took my time. Club members helped me get it up. Been working fine ever since, with a K3, KPA500, and P3. Course, it's well washed down time to time with our Western Washington rain. I don't use a tuner, other than the one in the K3, when the amp is off. 73, Rick, W7LKG -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard gillingham Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 14:23 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Wes Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner I dunno, Mine (3 el Steppir) has been up since 2003 with no trouble whatsoever. Less trouble than I've had with the Butternut vert I have for the lower bands. Gil, W1RG -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 4/27/16, Wes wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2016, 4:23 PM I don't own one, but I've helped put one up for a fellow club member. Based on his. and other members' experiences, if you like failures out of the box, and as an ongoing proposition, go for it. On 4/27/2016 1:08 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > Along came SteppIR. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmoodyg at bellsouth.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w7lkg at comcast.net From wrcooke at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 21:30:53 2016 From: wrcooke at yahoo.com (WILLIS COOKE) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 01:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] SteppIR References: <450455808.2922426.1461807053426.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <450455808.2922426.1461807053426.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I have had a SteppIR 3 element with about 250 feet of RG-213. ?I have not measured the loss, but with a KW or less can work DXCC in about 30 days without a contest. ?I lost an ECU on driven with a tape pawl failure, but pawl has been upgraded twice since purchase. ?I lost three ECUs during Ike from failure of the fiberglass tube that failed after over an hour in eye at over 120 mph estimated. ?The fiberglass elements all fell to ground, but were reused. ?The returns on the trombone were replaced. ?I lost one stepper motor in the driven element from a lightning.strike. ?I lost the control cable when I did not leave enough slack and broke it in two. ?A lot to be sure, but considering where I live, not too bad. ?It is on a Rohn 25 tilt over at about 21 meters.?Willis 'Cookie' Cooke,K5EWJ From jack at satterfield.org Wed Apr 27 21:35:39 2016 From: jack at satterfield.org (Jack) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 21:35:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Attenuation in Operate In-Reply-To: References: <000b01d19e1a$2fba4590$8f2ed0b0$@org> <0FD86013-B878-46FD-8682-06ACF7D8B95F@gmail.com> <095787F7-3491-4062-AFB1-93B4D32DD966@satterfield.org> Message-ID: <70E5EEF2-7105-473E-86B7-6F93E37D0D27@satterfield.org> Ok...here is the solution, Craig at Elecraft immediately suggested I check R7 on the LPF board. Good suggestion since it was missing...he is sending me R7 smt which should fix the problem. Jack W4GRJ On Apr 24, 2016, at 10:46 AM, george allen wrote: Oooops, sorry Jack...was thinking of the KAT500 antenna tuner. I have both the KAT500 tuner and the KPA500 amp. I have not seen your issue with the amp....but, do see a similar issue with the tuner. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 24, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Jack wrote: > > I really don't understand your comments since there is no tuner in the KPA500 > Jack > W4GRJ > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 10:14 AM, george allen wrote: > > If the KPA500 is not tuned to the frequency you listening to, the signal strength will be way idown as the radio is not tuned to the antenna. Transmit to tune the antenna, and the signal will come back up. When in standby or off, the tuner is out of the circuit so the antenna match MAY be some what better. > > I too, see this in my shack. For example, tuner is on automatic, last tranmit band was 20mtrs, and I listen to 40 mtrs...signal way down. Transmit, the tuner tunes, and the signal strength is normal. > > If you have your K3 connected to the tuner to supply frequency info to the tuner, and you have "trained" the tuner to preset tuning for frequencies you use, this should not happen. > > In my case I am using a Flex6700 with the tuner...freq info not sent to the tuner, so this is common for me. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 24, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Jack Satterfield wrote: >> >> This one has me scratching my head, when switching KPA500 from standby to >> operate the receiver signal drops about 30db otherwise it is operating >> Normally. >> >> Suggestions appreciated >> >> Jack >> >> W4GRJ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2cm.george at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Apr 27 21:41:05 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 21:41:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - No transmit In-Reply-To: <572164F4.20606.51BC231@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <572164F4.20606.51BC231@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <8c415677-cda1-9f66-6740-3a1f249532d1@embarqmail.com> Gary, If K3 Utility does not do the job for you, use the K3 menu directly - see page 51 in the manual. Go into the menu and set all your filters to ON. Set FLx BW, FLx FRQ, FLxGn, FLX ON for each filter. Then set FLTX to the appropriate filter per mode. For CW and SSB set it to the 2.7 (or 2.8 filter), For AM, 6 kHz if available, otherwise the 13kHz, for FM the 13kHz if installed. K3 Utility should show you the same thing as recorded in the menu. Make sure the filters are plugged in the K3 RF board from highest to lowest as indicated on the silkscreen. Has it been working before? or is this a recent problem? If working before, what has changed? 73, Don W3FPR On 4/27/2016 9:18 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > There is: > > 2.8K is for CW and SSB > 6K is for AM and the FM is checked by default. > > Installed in the main is: > FL1 6K - {AM} > FL2 2.8K - {CW & SSB} > FL3 1K > FL4 400 Hz > FL5 200 Hz > > Sub: > FL1 6K > FL2 2.7K > FL3 1K > FL4 500 Hz > FL5 250 Hz > > > When running through Config I only see FL4 listed, no other filters > show up as in FL5, FL3, FL2 & FL1 > > FL4 Config options read: > > FL4 BW rF .40 > FL4 FREQ rF 0.00 > FL4 GN rF 0db > FL4 ON rF yes > FLTX SB FL2 > > > 73, > From Gary at ka1j.com Wed Apr 27 22:02:12 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 22:02:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s - No transmit - Resolved In-Reply-To: <57215E7B.2459.5027803@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <57215E7B.2459.5027803@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <57216F24.26066.5438E3E@Gary.ka1j.com> Thank God! I have been working with two separate K3's without the sub and they have a jumper that has to be removed from connector J64A on the RF board before you install the KNB3 SUBIN Board. I remembered seeing those jumpers on these K3's and also, I had some difficulty removing the Sub Rx to get at the filters (the coax were binding & making it tougher to remove) and in the the process of removing the Sub Rx, the SUBIN board came out, attached to the pins on the Sub Rx deck. I started thinking of what variables there were & remembered from building my K3, that that jumper had to be there for transmit. Then it clicked; I wondered if maybe I hadn't replaced the SUBIN correctly and if so, maybe that misalignment was the cause of the problem with now having no transmit. Removed everything again & got a better light in there and sure enough, the pins were one off. Re-installed it mo' bettah and replaced the Sub Rx and now all is as it should be; transmitting with a smile & hearing a fly hiccup at 20 feet. Maybe someone else will find this on Nabble someday, looking for old threads on the subject, while trying to figure out what went wrong with transmit after replacing filters with a sub Rx board. Time for a nice IPA... 73 & Thanks Don & Kevin, I appreciate the replies to help me. Gary KA1J > I just added some filters to the K3s and configured the filters with > the K3 config. The radio hears perfectly on all the modes and the > filters are working beautifully. now however, it does not transmit. > It is not in test mode. > > I did nothing else to the radio while I had it open. > > Tapping a key, SSB or pressing XMIT and there is zero output.this at > 1W or 25W. > > The red TX LED lights. > > It signals the relay in the amp properly. > > On the P3 transmit monitor I see .02-.03W PEP registering, no SWR > reading and the LP-100A shows no sign of a signal. > > I restored a known good configuration with no change. > > No error messages are showing, no warning message on startup. > > 13.6 V on the K3 meter. > > trying the ATU, it shows 5W on the display, relays clack, no output > on the P3 output except that .02-.03W & nothing on the LP100A > > I have triple checked to be sure all the coax to the Synths, TXCO & > Sub are attached properly. > > I have made sure all the connections to the sub RX are inserted > properly. > > I must be missing something obvious. Any ideas what I might look at? > > Thanks > > Gary > KA1J > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From rwhitetexas at verizon.net Wed Apr 27 23:04:18 2016 From: rwhitetexas at verizon.net (W5RDW) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:04:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] TX GAIN CAL Problem Fixed...(maybe)?..... Message-ID: <1461812658929-7616870.post@n2.nabble.com> After noticing my Acom 1500 not producing full output on some bands (Acom tested good), I went off and started what I thought to be a short TX Gain Cal (which I had never done) to the factory assembled rig. This rig has functioned perfectly since I received it from the factory on 4/19/2011. I am not going into the myriads of runs on the cal procedure in the latest utility (1.15.12.7) and firmware, as I was very frustrated. I was successful in the 5W cal up to the 60M band where I hit a dead end. I looked thru the dozens of posts and tried all that had something to do with tweaking the computer inputs. No luck. Then, I noticed a few type of mechanical type problems, most I would not try in opening up the rig. I'm too old for that and my ham radio tweaking inside a radio are long behind me (8 years retired and full time caregiver for my wife). While running a sweep of another TX Gain Cal, when the run was inside the 60M band trying to find 5W (it was good at finding 3.4W or so), I lifted the rig at the front and let it drop an inch, out of frustration than anything else! *Lo and behold*, the run slowed, showed 5W and proceeded on to a successful 5W cal. I nervously selected the 50W process and yes, you know the answer, it worked like a champ. Going to bed now (almost 10PM now). I guess there is a loose pwb, component or cable inside? Maybe someone can give a guess at what might be wrong. If it is easy to get at, I could go in and start to tighten screws first, re-seat cables, etc.? BTW, the rig has never been dropped, etc. always sitting there waiting for the next DX station! Roger W5RDW ----- Roger W5RDW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/TX-GAIN-CAL-Problem-Fixed-maybe-tp7616870.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Thu Apr 28 00:43:00 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 04:43:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: PX3 Nifty stand Message-ID: Hi folks, I picked up a nifty PX3 stand with a recent purchase of a PX3, but I don't need it for my shack, and someone else should have the use of it. Used but good condition, shipped domestic only. $10 + shipping, whatever method you want. Bruce From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Apr 28 01:32:03 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 22:32:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline Loss With Mismatched Loads In-Reply-To: <57213FDB.7060308@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <000f426d.20872ca25b8a52e8@yahoo.com> <57213FDB.7060308@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5721A053.6020607@triconet.org> Where are the errors? On 4/27/2016 3:40 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Actually, Walt Maxwell is NOT the best source -- there are fundamental errors > in it, which is why ARRL no longer publishes it. > > 73, Jim K9YC From frank at pwizardry.com Thu Apr 28 01:32:42 2016 From: frank at pwizardry.com (frank) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 22:32:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 Part 1 build issue In-Reply-To: <8ec67ac0-5f82-202a-2a4d-42488dd7bbf3@embarqmail.com> References: <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <618405bd-9d4b-ced4-ba8f-0c63771268d0@elecraft.com> <57213F46.2060901@audiosystemsgroup.com> <572144D4.3090808@mediacombb.net> <572155D6.9020203@pwizardry.com> <8ec67ac0-5f82-202a-2a4d-42488dd7bbf3@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5721A07A.2050406@pwizardry.com> Thanks Don, I'm a fairly experienced builder so I've seen problems like bad solder joints cause all kinds of strange symptoms. More often than not it will end up being something simple like that. I'm still looking and I haven't ruled anything out. Meanwhile, it looks like I dropped my first post in the middle of another thread. My apologies. I'll bow out here and start my own topic. 73 KK6WUU On 4/27/2016 5:46 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Frank, > > That "smells" like a bad solder connection somewhere. > ... > > 73, > Don W3FPR > From josh at voodoolab.com Thu Apr 28 01:39:20 2016 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 22:39:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline Loss With Mismatched Loads In-Reply-To: <5721A053.6020607@triconet.org> References: <000f426d.20872ca25b8a52e8@yahoo.com> <57213FDB.7060308@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5721A053.6020607@triconet.org> Message-ID: <5721A208.7060703@voodoolab.com> If you mention "conjugate match" expect fireworks... 73, Josh W6XU On 4/27/2016 10:32 PM, Wes wrote: > Where are the errors? > > On 4/27/2016 3:40 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> Actually, Walt Maxwell is NOT the best source -- there are >> fundamental errors in it, which is why ARRL no longer publishes it. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Apr 28 01:57:37 2016 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 22:57:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline Loss With Mismatched Loads In-Reply-To: <5721A053.6020607@triconet.org> References: <000f426d.20872ca25b8a52e8@yahoo.com> <57213FDB.7060308@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5721A053.6020607@triconet.org> Message-ID: <5721A651.9070503@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,4/27/2016 10:32 PM, Wes wrote: > Where are the errors? K6OIK has published on the subject. Google is your friend. :) 73, Jim From rv6amark at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 02:48:58 2016 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?TWFyaywgYXJzOiBLRTZCQg==?=) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 06:48:58 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline Loss With Mismatched Loads Message-ID: <000f426f.688314641baf57bf@yahoo.com> Re: ?K6OIK has published on the subject. Thanks, Jim. ?Lots of material there. ?I am going to put Mr. Maxwell's book back on the shelf and do some studying! ? Mark, ars: KE6BB From frank at pwizardry.com Thu Apr 28 03:01:08 2016 From: frank at pwizardry.com (Frank Cox) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 00:01:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 build issue after Part 1 of build Message-ID: <1461826868689-7616877.post@n2.nabble.com> (this is a repost after accidentally adding this to another thread) I'm building a KX1 and finished Part 1. I encountered problems during testing. First I noticed when scrolling through the MENU items some some segments of the LED display don't light on some menu item names. However the same segments will light on another menu item so it doesn't seem to be a problem with the display itself. Also, tuning with the encoder and band switch displayed as expected. But now the display started going dark during tests and not coming back on after button clicks or encoder turns. When it does this the 5v and 6v lines still have correct voltages and nothing feels hot to the touch. The only way to get it to come back is to turn it off and wait a while. I've carefully checked parts placement and solder joints and can find no problems so far, and it passes all the part 1 voltage tests. Don, W3FPR suggested reflowing all the solder joints. Anything else? 73, Frank KK6WUU -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX1-build-issue-after-Part-1-of-build-tp7616877.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Thu Apr 28 03:36:05 2016 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 08:36:05 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner In-Reply-To: <57213F46.2060901@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1018401865.3800515.1461792180513.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <618405bd-9d4b-ced4-ba8f-0c63771268d0@elecraft.com> <57213F46.2060901@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <005601d1a120$a4623520$ed269f60$@co.uk> SteppIR's reputation is still haunted by reviews from its early days (the first eHam review was in 2001) but the SteppIR antenna you would buy today is not the same as it was back then. SteppIR have made several improvements over the years, including new and stronger moldings for the element/motors, stronger and better quality fiberglass tubes, and the new SDA100 controller. A few years ago, a kind friend lent me his early model 3-element to try over winter and it worked out fine. Based on that good experience I bought a new 3-element for myself, and that too has proved reliable. But when I unpacked the new antenna, the improvements over the earlier model were clear to see. Today's versions of the original 20-10m yagis with their simple, straight 17+17ft elements can now be considered a mature technology. The later models featuring longer elements and/or trombone elements are demanding more from the original SteppIR design concept, but I have no experience of those. Every yagi has its advantages and also its drawbacks, so your choice will depend on what's important for you at your particular QTH. The 3-element has been a good solution for this one-tower station because it gives good performance (for its size) on five HF bands, yet with only a little more wind loading than a 3-element 20m monobander. With improved modifications for 6m [1] the same antenna has worked over 100 countries on that band also. There are still improvements that SteppIR could make (a weatherproof junction box should come as standard, not a $185 extra, and SteppIR's documentation is perennially awful) but the SteppIR 3-element is a very serious contender for people with limited wind loading and mast space. [1] www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek/vhfdx/gm3sek-steppir-6m.pdf 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Jim Brown >Sent: 27 April 2016 23:38 >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner > >On Wed,4/27/2016 2:31 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> I've had my 4 El Steppir (20-10, plus 2 more fixed el for 6 m) up for >> over ten years 1 mile from the Ocean. Zero problems. > >My 3-el (no trombones) has been up on a 120 ft tower about 12 miles N of >Eric's QTH for about 7 years, also with no problems I can blame on the >antenna (but several I can blame on myself). :) I find the antenna quite >effective on all bands, 20-6M. > >73, Jim K9YC >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Apr 28 07:27:41 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 07:27:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 build issue after Part 1 of build In-Reply-To: <1461826868689-7616877.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1461826868689-7616877.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <43b99746-cfde-bd6f-2792-c9459ca5bfc9@embarqmail.com> Frank, It sounds like the MCU is getting "mixed up". Try doing a Reset to Factory Defaults. See page 69 in the manual. It is a 2 step process. 1) Hold BAND and MENU together and power on - release the buttons after the LED test. E09 should be displayed. 2) Turn power off, then back on and you should see E10. Tap any switch. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/28/2016 3:01 AM, Frank Cox wrote: > (this is a repost after accidentally adding this to another thread) > > I'm building a KX1 and finished Part 1. I encountered problems during > testing. > > First I noticed when scrolling through the MENU items some some segments of > the LED display don't light on some menu item names. However the same > segments will light on another menu item so it doesn't seem to be a problem > with the display itself. Also, tuning with the encoder and band switch > displayed as expected. > > But now the display started going dark during tests and not coming back on > after button clicks or encoder turns. When it does this the 5v and 6v lines > still have correct voltages and nothing feels hot to the touch. The only way > to get it to come back is to turn it off and wait a while. > > I've carefully checked parts placement and solder joints and can find no > problems so far, and it passes all the part 1 voltage tests. > > From ne2i at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 09:57:52 2016 From: ne2i at yahoo.com (George Cortez) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA 100 for sale References: <1896445651.3973424.1461851872582.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1896445651.3973424.1461851872582.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hardly used KXPA 100 without antenna tuner. Ill include the KX3 Wiring kit also for 680$ shipped CONUS for?the List.? Thanks?George NE2I From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Thu Apr 28 10:11:28 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 14:11:28 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA 100 for sale In-Reply-To: <1896445651.3973424.1461851872582.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1896445651.3973424.1461851872582.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1896445651.3973424.1461851872582.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'll take it. On Thu, Apr 28, 2016, 06:59 George Cortez via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Hardly used KXPA 100 without antenna tuner. Ill include the KX3 Wiring kit > also for 680$ shipped CONUS for the List. > Thanks George NE2I > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mbt at w0mbt.net From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Thu Apr 28 10:18:06 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 14:18:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Nifty stand In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sold! On Wed, Apr 27, 2016, 21:42 Bruce Nourish wrote: > Hi folks, > > I picked up a nifty PX3 stand with a recent purchase of a PX3, but I don't > need it for my shack, and someone else should have the use of it. Used but > good condition, shipped domestic only. $10 + shipping, whatever method you > want. > > Bruce > From w1xt at cox.net Thu Apr 28 10:24:23 2016 From: w1xt at cox.net (W1XT) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 07:24:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: New SignalLink USB for KX3 Message-ID: FS: From estate, NEW SignalLink USB Interface with cables for the KX3. Untested but brand new in box. Several months old but never plugged in. $95 including shipping. I think it?s original cost was about $130. PayPal only shipped to confirmed address. Thanks. Bob, W1XT, Sun City West, AZ From doug49707 at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 10:49:08 2016 From: doug49707 at gmail.com (Doug) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:49:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Krx3a Message-ID: Looking for krx3a receiver with or without new synthesizer. Priced accordingly. Give me all info about and price. Doug. WD8Z Sent from my iPhone From ac2ev at frontier.com Thu Apr 28 10:51:05 2016 From: ac2ev at frontier.com (ac2ev at frontier.com) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:51:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Procedure: Setting the DSP filters for SSB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7fe07345-b248-4f12-a7a4-75968e528c56@Spark> Thanks to all for the responses. I've been doing wrong the whole. I have not been using hi and low cut which explains my frustration. > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Apr 28 11:11:10 2016 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 07:11:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner Message-ID: <201604281511.u3SFBBLm006580@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> I've been looking at the Steppir to replace my very old TH3mk4. Actually I have been looking a several tower changes: replace my 50-foot Rohn-25g with 45g* (if a Hazer for 45g can be had); add a section to the other 25g tower and move the Hazer-4 to it (has my HF yagi + 222 & 432 yagis); and add two sections 45g* to the 6m-eme tower. But I digress: The 4-element Steppir would replace two antennas and eliminate using a tuner 20m-6m. But my concern is how well they operate under cold wx and icy-snow conditions (which is not uncommon in AK). Maint. would be fairly convenient with Hazer lift to lower to roof-top level (tower is wall-mounted on end of house so hazer would drop to about 18-feet above ground). Probably wishful thinking considering the cost of all these ideas (need wife approval). But as I get older more HF operation is likely: mostly like chatting and a little light Dxing. EME takes my serious efforts 73, Ed - KL7UW *Local ham has 400-foot of 45g which very unusual for up here From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feedline loss w/wo tuner Message-ID: <57213F46.2060901 at audiosystemsgroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed On Wed,4/27/2016 2:31 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > I've had my 4 El Steppir (20-10, plus 2 more fixed el for 6 m) up for > over ten years 1 mile from the Ocean. Zero problems. My 3-el (no trombones) has been up on a 120 ft tower about 12 miles N of Eric's QTH for about 7 years, also with no problems I can blame on the antenna (but several I can blame on myself). :) I find the antenna quite effective on all bands, 20-6M. 73, Jim K9YC 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From ne2i at yahoo.com Thu Apr 28 11:50:06 2016 From: ne2i at yahoo.com (George Cortez) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 15:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 For Sale SOLD! References: <506063881.4217263.1461858606637.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <506063881.4217263.1461858606637.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Didn't last long! Thanks folks! George NE2I From k9ma at sdellington.us Thu Apr 28 12:15:22 2016 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (Scott Ellington) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:15:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 build issue after Part 1 of build In-Reply-To: <43b99746-cfde-bd6f-2792-c9459ca5bfc9@embarqmail.com> References: <1461826868689-7616877.post@n2.nabble.com> <43b99746-cfde-bd6f-2792-c9459ca5bfc9@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <301847ae-82f6-ef8e-d61a-d19d79109454@sdellington.us> I recently built a KX-1, and had the following problems (none of which were my fault): 1. Factory installed solder bridge on the DDS chip pins, shorting out clock input. 2. Bad DDS chip causing really bizarre behavior. Unrelated to above solder bridge and definitely not a bad connection. Elecraft had never seen that before. 3. Bad solder joint on pre-installed surface mount mixer chip on carrier board. It works fine now. Based on my experience, I would be very suspicious of every surface mount IC connection. Look at voltages and waveforms right at the surface mount package lead. Unfortunately, you need a microscope and a very fine-tipped soldering iron to re-solder them, and it's very easy to create new solder bridges. Elecraft support suggested a piece of number 20 wire wrapped around the tip of a soldering iron. I used a Metcal soldering station, but replacing the DDS chip was still difficult. 73, Scott K9MA On 4/28/2016 06:27, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Frank, > > It sounds like the MCU is getting "mixed up". Try doing a Reset to > Factory Defaults. > See page 69 in the manual. It is a 2 step process. > 1) Hold BAND and MENU together and power on - release the buttons > after the LED test. E09 should be displayed. > 2) Turn power off, then back on and you should see E10. Tap any switch. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 4/28/2016 3:01 AM, Frank Cox wrote: >> (this is a repost after accidentally adding this to another thread) >> >> I'm building a KX1 and finished Part 1. I encountered problems during >> testing. >> >> First I noticed when scrolling through the MENU items some some >> segments of >> the LED display don't light on some menu item names. However the same >> segments will light on another menu item so it doesn't seem to be a >> problem >> with the display itself. Also, tuning with the encoder and band switch >> displayed as expected. >> >> But now the display started going dark during tests and not coming >> back on >> after button clicks or encoder turns. When it does this the 5v and 6v >> lines >> still have correct voltages and nothing feels hot to the touch. The >> only way >> to get it to come back is to turn it off and wait a while. >> >> I've carefully checked parts placement and solder joints and can find no >> problems so far, and it passes all the part 1 voltage tests. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9ma at sdellington.us -- Scott Ellington K9MA Madison, Wisconsin, USA k9ma at sdellington.us From ny9h at arrl.net Thu Apr 28 12:26:37 2016 From: ny9h at arrl.net (Bill Steffey NY9H) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:26:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa 500 gain question In-Reply-To: <1769244423.2936020.1461805838666.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo .com> References: <5721038E.5010001@socal.rr.com> <1769244423.2936020.1461805838666.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: i see that Expert is proposing to the FCC to eliminate the 15db gain... SB QST ARL ARLB015 ARLB015 FCC Invites Comments on Petition to Eliminate 15 dB Gain Limit on Amateur Amplifiers Wondering how easy a mod ( and firmware) would enable our kx3s and Elad Duos to fully drive the KPA500???? bill ny9h/3 From frank at pwizardry.com Thu Apr 28 14:06:47 2016 From: frank at pwizardry.com (Frank Cox) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:06:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 build issue after Part 1 of build In-Reply-To: <43b99746-cfde-bd6f-2792-c9459ca5bfc9@embarqmail.com> References: <1461826868689-7616877.post@n2.nabble.com> <43b99746-cfde-bd6f-2792-c9459ca5bfc9@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1461866807592-7616890.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks Don, I tried doing a reset and it came up E09 as it should but after a short time the display went dark and came back on with only the E illuminated extra bright. This is another symptom I've noticed that I haven't mentioned before. When the display is going off while I'm actively giving inputs (so not an idle timeout), any one digit my come back on extra bright, with or without other digits illuminated normally. The above happened while the circuit was warmed up. When I first tried to this morning cold it worked as described in my first post for about half a minute. Then it started going dark as I said. If I turn it off a short time it will "work" for a while and start going dark again. If I turn it off longer it takes longer to act up. This makes me think of heat but nothing gets warm to the touch. I checked with an IR thermometer and the active components warm a few degrees from cold but none more than the others. I also started today with a battery supply to eliminate possible issues which the switching supply I was using. Frustrating. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX1-build-issue-after-Part-1-of-build-tp7616877p7616890.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From frank at pwizardry.com Thu Apr 28 14:24:39 2016 From: frank at pwizardry.com (Frank Cox) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:24:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 build issue after Part 1 of build In-Reply-To: <301847ae-82f6-ef8e-d61a-d19d79109454@sdellington.us> References: <1461826868689-7616877.post@n2.nabble.com> <43b99746-cfde-bd6f-2792-c9459ca5bfc9@embarqmail.com> <301847ae-82f6-ef8e-d61a-d19d79109454@sdellington.us> Message-ID: <1461867879690-7616891.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks for that Scott, I did a careful visual of the SM components with magnification after I read your post. Everything looks ok. I did have a moment of elation when I saw how close the solder pads of C39 are to the pins of U2 but looking at the schematic they should be connected. Still trying. 73 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX1-build-issue-after-Part-1-of-build-tp7616877p7616891.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Thu Apr 28 14:56:44 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 18:56:44 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: ANT2 without ATU for KXPA100 Message-ID: Hi Elecraft folks, I use the ATU on my KX3 all the time with portable antennas, but my home antennas, where I'll be using my KXPA100, are all resonant (mag loops). To get a second antenna outlet I have to cough up $380 and install the tuner, which is quite a bit of money for something I mostly won't use. I'd happily pay $50 or so for a small standalone kit that provided an ANT2 jack, and I suspect I'm not the only one. Cheers, Bruce From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Apr 28 15:10:23 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:10:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: ANT2 without ATU for KXPA100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5722601F.7030805@socal.rr.com> I'm puzzled, Bruce: Why do you need an ANT2 jack at all? Phil W7OX On 4/28/16 11:56 AM, Bruce Nourish wrote: > Hi Elecraft folks, > > I use the ATU on my KX3 all the time with portable antennas, but my home > antennas, where I'll be using my KXPA100, are all resonant (mag loops). To > get a second antenna outlet I have to cough up $380 and install the tuner, > which is quite a bit of money for something I mostly won't use. I'd happily > pay $50 or so for a small standalone kit that provided an ANT2 jack, and I > suspect I'm not the only one. > > Cheers, > Bruce > > From w0mbt at w0mbt.net Thu Apr 28 15:17:55 2016 From: w0mbt at w0mbt.net (Bruce Nourish) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 19:17:55 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: ANT2 without ATU for KXPA100 In-Reply-To: <5722601F.7030805@socal.rr.com> References: <5722601F.7030805@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Multiple loops. I could buy a separate switch of course, but the KX3 integration of the KXPA is sweet. On Thu, Apr 28, 2016, 12:12 Phil Wheeler wrote: > I'm puzzled, Bruce: Why do you need an ANT2 jack > at all? > > Phil W7OX > > On 4/28/16 11:56 AM, Bruce Nourish wrote: > > Hi Elecraft folks, > > > > I use the ATU on my KX3 all the time with portable antennas, but my home > > antennas, where I'll be using my KXPA100, are all resonant (mag loops). > To > > get a second antenna outlet I have to cough up $380 and install the > tuner, > > which is quite a bit of money for something I mostly won't use. I'd > happily > > pay $50 or so for a small standalone kit that provided an ANT2 jack, and > I > > suspect I'm not the only one. > > > > Cheers, > > Bruce > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mbt at w0mbt.net > From rickw8zt at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 15:31:07 2016 From: rickw8zt at gmail.com (Rick Robinson) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 15:31:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: ANT2 without ATU for KXPA100 In-Reply-To: References: <5722601F.7030805@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Sounds like a simple antenna switch is your solution. Esp since you are using mag loops which do not use a tuner. I just bought a band decoder($75)from a lady on the group and you would need that and a remote switch that senses band voltages. Again a lot of investment . BTW your MO is in the mail. On Thursday, April 28, 2016, Bruce Nourish wrote: > Multiple loops. I could buy a separate switch of course, but the KX3 > integration of the KXPA is sweet. > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016, 12:12 Phil Wheeler > > wrote: > > > I'm puzzled, Bruce: Why do you need an ANT2 jack > > at all? > > > > Phil W7OX > > > > On 4/28/16 11:56 AM, Bruce Nourish wrote: > > > Hi Elecraft folks, > > > > > > I use the ATU on my KX3 all the time with portable antennas, but my > home > > > antennas, where I'll be using my KXPA100, are all resonant (mag loops). > > To > > > get a second antenna outlet I have to cough up $380 and install the > > tuner, > > > which is quite a bit of money for something I mostly won't use. I'd > > happily > > > pay $50 or so for a small standalone kit that provided an ANT2 jack, > and > > I > > > suspect I'm not the only one. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Bruce > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to w0mbt at w0mbt.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rickw8zt at gmail.com > -- Rick, W8ZT Sent from Gmail Mobile From tom at k5rc.com Thu Apr 28 18:53:55 2016 From: tom at k5rc.com (tom at k5rc.com) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 15:53:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and Acom 2000A Message-ID: <01a301d1a1a0$d91b7670$8b526350$@k5rc.com> I have two K3S connected to two Acom 200A. I am using the USB interface to the computer and running Writelog and Wintest. The P3's are connected via the special Y cable on the RS232 interface. Has anyone successfully managed to control the Acom 2000A with the K3S? Please share! Tom Taormina, K5RC Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN Storey County ARES, KS7AA www.w7rn.com 775-847-7929 From n2lrb at n2lrb.com Thu Apr 28 21:08:54 2016 From: n2lrb at n2lrb.com (Jose Rivera) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 21:08:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s 2M Reception Message-ID: <010101d1a1b3$b33a85f0$19af91d0$@n2lrb.com> Are there any rankings or detail info on how good (or bad) the K3s 2 meter module is in regards to being able to receive 2M SSB? It's time for me to buy a 2m SSB radio. And I wonder if the 2M module receives as well as HF on the K3s. Am considering getting a K3s with 2M and being that's it's not cheap, want to make sure it's worth it. Jose B Rivera N2LRB www.n2lrb.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Apr 28 23:57:38 2016 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 20:57:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline Loss With Mismatched Loads In-Reply-To: <5721A651.9070503@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <000f426d.20872ca25b8a52e8@yahoo.com> <57213FDB.7060308@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5721A053.6020607@triconet.org> <5721A651.9070503@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5722DBB2.4060405@triconet.org> Google is most definitely not my friend, or anyone else's for that matter. I was hopeful that you had an answer On 4/27/2016 10:57 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Wed,4/27/2016 10:32 PM, Wes wrote: >> Where are the errors? > > K6OIK has published on the subject. Google is your friend. :) > > 73, Jim From josh at voodoolab.com Fri Apr 29 00:12:08 2016 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 21:12:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline Loss With Mismatched Loads In-Reply-To: <5722DBB2.4060405@triconet.org> References: <000f426d.20872ca25b8a52e8@yahoo.com> <57213FDB.7060308@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5721A053.6020607@triconet.org> <5721A651.9070503@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5722DBB2.4060405@triconet.org> Message-ID: <5722DF18.8040605@voodoolab.com> https://www.fars.k6ya.org/docs/Conjugate-Match-Myths.pdf Analysis of errors in Reflections book starts on p.21 73, Josh W6XU On 4/28/2016 8:57 PM, Wes wrote: > Google is most definitely not my friend, or anyone else's for that > matter. > > I was hopeful that you had an answer From thelastdb at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 00:39:56 2016 From: thelastdb at gmail.com (Myron Schaffer) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 22:39:56 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Feedline Loss With Mismatched Loads In-Reply-To: <5722DF18.8040605@voodoolab.com> References: <000f426d.20872ca25b8a52e8@yahoo.com> <57213FDB.7060308@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5721A053.6020607@triconet.org> <5721A651.9070503@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5722DBB2.4060405@triconet.org> <5722DF18.8040605@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: <82759EE1-D2B2-407D-90C2-7ABC2FAAB578@gmail.com> Thank goodness for SimSmith... Myron WV?H Printed on Recycled Data > On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:12 PM, Josh Fiden wrote: > > https://www.fars.k6ya.org/docs/Conjugate-Match-Myths.pdf > > Analysis of errors in Reflections book starts on p.21 > > 73, > Josh W6XU > >> On 4/28/2016 8:57 PM, Wes wrote: >> Google is most definitely not my friend, or anyone else's for that matter. >> >> I was hopeful that you had an answer > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to thelastdb at gmail.com From val at vip.bg Fri Apr 29 01:31:51 2016 From: val at vip.bg (Val) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 08:31:51 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and Acom 2000A References: <01a301d1a1a0$d91b7670$8b526350$@k5rc.com> Message-ID: <281E9652D0444FDD834DDF73F069F9AA@OFFICE> Tom, I am still on K3, but there should be no difference. ACOM 2000A needs a Y cable too. Or instead of two Y cables make a X cable :). If you have alredy tried this but not satisfied, just write me directly. 73, Val LZ1VB >I have two K3S connected to two Acom 200A. I am using the USB >interface to > the computer and running Writelog and Wintest. The P3's are > connected via > the special Y cable on the RS232 interface. > > Has anyone successfully managed to control the Acom 2000A with the > K3S? > Please share! > > Tom Taormina, K5RC > Comstock Memorial Station, W7RN > Storey County ARES, KS7AA > www.w7rn.com > 775-847-7929 From karel at cornelis.org Fri Apr 29 06:19:07 2016 From: karel at cornelis.org (Karel Cornelis) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:19:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S drops 10db with Digital Modes Message-ID: Hi, Somebody mentioned me that my signals goes up and down about 10db when I send out digital mode via pc. (psk, simpsk). ( checked it myself via a websdr station close to my QTH, so no propagation ) I already switched off TX ALC but there is no difference. Compressor is off, tried low and high power, low and high output of pc sound does not change a thing, TX EQ is not used, ... When I do the same with my Flex, with the same pc and the same programs I don't have this up and down issue. I checked the USB Audio Codec sound card settings, but I don't see any settings in there that could cause this issue. Has anybody got an idea about this? It's not a real issue to work digital modes, but I'm curious to know of what is causing this. Tnx 73 Karel ON7TA From ve3iay at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 06:49:25 2016 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 06:49:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S drops 10db with Digital Modes Message-ID: Karel, What is the reading on the K3S's ALC meter? In order to achieve correct power control in audio data modes, you must set the audio input level so that the meter reads 4-5 bars - not zero as with most other transceivers. If the audio input is at zero bars, the K3S's microprocessor will not be able to control the transmitter output power correctly. Set the audio level to give you 4-5 bars on the ALC meter,and use the PWR control to select the desired output power. Do not leave the PWR control at full power and use the audio drive level to control output power, as is sometimes recommended for other transceivers - that will not work with the K3 and K3S. 73, Rich VE3KI ON7TA wrote: Somebody mentioned me that my signals goes up and down about 10db when I send out \ digital mode via pc. (psk, simpsk). ( checked it myself via a websdr station close \ to my QTH, so no propagation ) I already switched off TX ALC but there is no difference. Compressor is off, tried \ low and high power, low and high output of pc sound does not change a thing, TX EQ is \ not used, ... When I do the same with my Flex, with the same pc and the same programs I don't have \ this up and down issue. I checked the USB Audio Codec sound card settings, but I don't see any settings in \ there that could cause this issue. Has anybody got an idea about this? It's not a real issue to work digital modes, but \ I'm curious to know of what is causing this. From karel at cornelis.org Fri Apr 29 09:21:33 2016 From: karel at cornelis.org (Karel Cornelis) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:21:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S drops 10db with Digital Modes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rich, Thanks for your response. The way you describe it is exact the same way I do it. I do not use the Audio drive level to control the output power and ALC is around 4 to 5 bars. (it was for testing purposes to see if it did change something to the up-down phenomena) I going to swap the Power Supply this evening, maybe that is the issue. thanks 73's Karel ON7TA ________________________________ From: Richard Ferch Sent: 29 April 2016 12:49 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Cc: Karel Cornelis Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S drops 10db with Digital Modes Karel, What is the reading on the K3S's ALC meter? In order to achieve correct power control in audio data modes, you must set the audio input level so that the meter reads 4-5 bars - not zero as with most other transceivers. If the audio input is at zero bars, the K3S's microprocessor will not be able to control the transmitter output power correctly. Set the audio level to give you 4-5 bars on the ALC meter,and use the PWR control to select the desired output power. Do not leave the PWR control at full power and use the audio drive level to control output power, as is sometimes recommended for other transceivers - that will not work with the K3 and K3S. 73, Rich VE3KI ON7TA wrote: Somebody mentioned me that my signals goes up and down about 10db when I send out \ digital mode via pc. (psk, simpsk). ( checked it myself via a websdr station close \ to my QTH, so no propagation ) I already switched off TX ALC but there is no difference. Compressor is off, tried \ low and high power, low and high output of pc sound does not change a thing, TX EQ is \ not used, ... When I do the same with my Flex, with the same pc and the same programs I don't have \ this up and down issue. I checked the USB Audio Codec sound card settings, but I don't see any settings in \ there that could cause this issue. Has anybody got an idea about this? It's not a real issue to work digital modes, but \ I'm curious to know of what is causing this. From w4rks73 at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 09:49:30 2016 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 08:49:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s 2M Reception Message-ID: Jose, I have a K3 (not the K3S) with the 2 meter module. I think the module is the same for either radio. The thing I like most is that you have ALL of the K3 features on 2 meters - such as the EQ settings, AM, SSB. CW. FM, digital, the P3, Etc. I have used it mostly on FM and have found it to be quite good. The thing I like the least is the fair number of "birdies" that are displayed on the P3 even though you can not hear them. Just screen clutter. Overall, it's a good choice if you want it all in one "box". From john at kk9a.com Fri Apr 29 10:13:08 2016 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:13:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and Acom 2000A Message-ID: Does anyone manufacture a commercial "x" cable? I have a MicroHAM device, a band decoder and a KPA500/KAT500 that all need the ACC. So far have not tried connecting all three with two "Y" cables. BTW, I have used an Acom 2000a with a K3S and it worked great just using the RCA relay cable. John KK9A from: Val Fri Apr 29 01:31:51 EDT 2016 Tom, I am still on K3, but there should be no difference. ACOM 2000A needs a Y cable too. Or instead of two Y cables make a X cable :). If you have alredy tried this but not satisfied, just write me directly. 73, Val LZ1VB >I have two K3S connected to two Acom 200A. I am using the USB >interface to > the computer and running Writelog and Wintest. The P3's are > connected via > the special Y cable on the RS232 interface. > > Has anyone successfully managed to control the Acom 2000A with the > K3S? > Please share! 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P3/SVGA, $700 (OBO) shipped CONUS (only), or $3000 (OBO) for both. P3 will not be sold until the K3 sells. Pictures on request. From lists at subich.com Fri Apr 29 15:12:35 2016 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:12:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and Acom 2000A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32926ace-29ee-6721-dd27-a6e616051538@subich.com> On 4/29/2016 10:13 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > Does anyone manufacture a commercial "x" cable? I have a MicroHAM device, > a band decoder and a KPA500/KAT500 that all need the ACC. So far have not > tried connecting all three with two "Y" cables. They work fine using the Elecraft Y cables or you can make your own break out cable that routs the Band Data, Key Out and Aux Bus signals to the KPA500/KAT500 with the FSK and PTT (key In) pins going to the microHAM Device. > BTW, I have used an Acom 2000a with a K3S and it worked great just using > the RCA relay cable. I'm sure Tom is looking for the CAT data (from the RS-232 port) since that is what the Acom 2000 needs - not "Band Data" (BCD). That's a more difficult configuration and would require access to the equipment to experiment/validate a configuration. One would expect Acom to be able to provide the necessary information/support. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > > John KK9A > > from: Val > Fri Apr 29 01:31:51 EDT 2016 > > Tom, > > I am still on K3, but there should be no difference. ACOM 2000A needs > a Y cable too. Or instead of two Y cables make a X cable :). If you > have alredy tried this but not satisfied, just write me directly. > > 73, Val LZ1VB > > > >> I have two K3S connected to two Acom 200A. I am using the USB >> interface to >> the computer and running Writelog and Wintest. The P3's are >> connected via >> the special Y cable on the RS232 interface. >> >> Has anyone successfully managed to control the Acom 2000A with the >> K3S? >> Please share! > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html From dd0vs at gmx.de Fri Apr 29 16:08:48 2016 From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 22:08:48 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3XREF] Is not synchronizing Message-ID: From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri Apr 29 16:37:06 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:37:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite now offers full integration of the KX3 with the KAT500 and KPA500 Message-ID: Hello, The latest release of Win4K3Suite now provides full integration of the KAT500 and / or the KPA500 with the Elecraft KX3 / KXPA100. The integration passes band and frequency information from the KX3 to the KAT500 and KPA500 allowing seamless recalls of previous tuning parameters. You can toggle the display of the KXPA100 with the KPA500 as needed. In addition, there is now a visible indication of faults in the KAT500 and KPA500 allowing you to reset them remotely if you wish. You will effectively be able to use the combination as if you had the full K-Line. This feature will require the latest beta KAT500 release (1.75 or later). Win4K3Suite is a comprehensive control package for the Elecraft product line supporting all options including the P3 / SVGA as well as LPPAN. It integrates with all third party products including HRD LogBook and DXCommander. You can see it in action here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0IoU and download a free 30 day evaluation at http://va2fsq.com/?page_id=379 73 Tom va2fsq.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From Gary at ka1j.com Fri Apr 29 16:57:52 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:57:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3XREF] Is not synchronizing Message-ID: <5723CAD0.1850.9231943@Gary.ka1j.com> Assuming you 1. Have tech MD set as ON. 2. Are on REF CAL and waiting to see the flashing asterisk and not seeing it: Then push the REV (2) button to be sure the k3xref is engaged. I'm guessing you might have missed that last step. If so, wait a short while & hope for the asterisk between the REF CAL 73, Gary KA1J From hk6f.ham at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 17:57:03 2016 From: hk6f.ham at gmail.com (faber mosquera alvarez) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:57:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] potencia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hola todos actualice la version de mi K3 y quedo con una programaci?n que no me deja subir de 12 watt la potencia que puedo hacer gracias Faber Mosquera hk6f From k0dxv at aol.com Fri Apr 29 18:11:46 2016 From: k0dxv at aol.com (Doug Person) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:11:46 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] potencia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5723DC22.7010404@aol.com> Hola Faber, No estoy seguro de entender lo que est? pidiendo. Puede aclarar para m?? Gracias Doug - K0DXV On 4/29/2016 3:57 PM, faber mosquera alvarez wrote: > hola todos > > actualice la version de mi K3 y quedo con una programaci?n que no me deja subir de 12 watt la potencia > > que puedo hacer > > gracias > > Faber Mosquera > hk6f > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com From lu6avm at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 18:22:41 2016 From: lu6avm at gmail.com (Gustavo V) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:22:41 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] potencia In-Reply-To: <5723DC22.7010404@aol.com> References: <5723DC22.7010404@aol.com> Message-ID: I'll try to translate: " I have update the firmware of my K3 and are stuck with a programing that don't allow me transmit adobe 12W. what could do? " 73's Gustavo LU6AVM 2016-04-29 19:11 GMT-03:00 Doug Person via Elecraft : > Hola Faber, > > No estoy seguro de entender lo que est? pidiendo. Puede aclarar para m?? > > Gracias > > Doug - K0DXV > > > On 4/29/2016 3:57 PM, faber mosquera alvarez wrote: >> >> hola todos >> >> actualice la version de mi K3 y quedo con una programaci?n que no me deja >> subir de 12 watt la potencia >> >> que puedo hacer >> >> gracias >> >> Faber Mosquera >> hk6f >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lu6avm at gmail.com From n1al at sonic.net Fri Apr 29 18:34:02 2016 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:34:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] potencia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5723E15A.4050402@sonic.net> Me parece que tal vez en en menu CONFIG la entrada "KPA3" esta equivocada. Debe de ser "nor" y no "Byp". (Y "TECH MD" debe de ser "On" para verla.) Alan N1AL On 04/29/2016 02:57 PM, faber mosquera alvarez wrote: > hola todos > > actualice la version de mi K3 y quedo con una programaci?n que no me deja subir de 12 watt la potencia > > que puedo hacer > > gracias > > Faber Mosquera > hk6f > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > From hk6f.ham at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 18:34:09 2016 From: hk6f.ham at gmail.com (faber mosquera alvarez) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:34:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?potencias_de_K=C2=B7?= Message-ID: <7A23A7F5-DC24-4AC6-B657-C9AA3A47A960@gmail.com> hola a todos realice la actualizaci?n de el K3 y quedo trabajando solo con 12 watt que puede ser gracias Faber hk6f From k0dxv at aol.com Fri Apr 29 18:35:11 2016 From: k0dxv at aol.com (Doug Person) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:35:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] potencia In-Reply-To: References: <5723DC22.7010404@aol.com> Message-ID: <5723E19F.10901@aol.com> Gracias Gustavo, Al no ser un hablante nativo, mi espa?ol no es muy grande. El K3 de base tiene s?lo una potencia de 10 vatios. Algunas versiones de firmware pueden haber permitido un poco m?s que esto. Pero algo m?s de 10 vatios es un regalo. English: The base K3 is only rated for 10 watts. Some firmware releases may have allowed a little more than this. But anything over 10 watts is a gift. Saludos, Doug - K0DXV On 4/29/2016 4:22 PM, Gustavo V wrote: > I'll try to translate: > " I have update the firmware of my K3 and are stuck with a programing > that don't allow me transmit adobe 12W. > > what could do? > " > > > 73's > Gustavo > LU6AVM > > > 2016-04-29 19:11 GMT-03:00 Doug Person via Elecraft : >> Hola Faber, >> >> No estoy seguro de entender lo que est? pidiendo. Puede aclarar para m?? >> >> Gracias >> >> Doug - K0DXV >> >> >> On 4/29/2016 3:57 PM, faber mosquera alvarez wrote: >>> hola todos >>> >>> actualice la version de mi K3 y quedo con una programaci?n que no me deja >>> subir de 12 watt la potencia >>> >>> que puedo hacer >>> >>> gracias >>> >>> Faber Mosquera >>> hk6f >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k0dxv at aol.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lu6avm at gmail.com From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri Apr 29 19:07:48 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:07:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite temporarily down Message-ID: <6E58D4926C7348A3B1F50C69305BADAA@tomsPC> Hello, Murphy?s law has struck. The new release does not work correctly but the issue has been identified. The replacement will be up later this evening. Sorry for the inconvenience. 73 Tom --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From k9jri at mac.com Fri Apr 29 19:08:08 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:08:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Noise Gate on KX3 kills VOX delay setting Message-ID: When the TX Noise Gate is set to ?On? with any gate level more than ?00? the VOX delay setting is ignored and the VOX drops out immediately. Is this by design? I am using MCU version 2.34 and DSP version 1.33 Michael Blake k9jri at mac.com From AC6JA at aol.com Fri Apr 29 19:15:47 2016 From: AC6JA at aol.com (AC6JA at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:15:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD3 pin socket Message-ID: <15938d.4d23a14d.44554523@aol.com> Does anyone know where I can get the plastic plug this is included on the KXPD3 paddle that plugs into the KX3 front panel? I have a Begali Adventure paddle and would like to make up a wiring plug that would go directly into the front panel instead of having to run the shielded wire coiled up and into the left side key socket. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. Mike AC6JA From nwgarner at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 19:21:56 2016 From: nwgarner at gmail.com (Nick Garner) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:21:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD3 pin socket In-Reply-To: <15938d.4d23a14d.44554523@aol.com> References: <15938d.4d23a14d.44554523@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, I use DigiKey part number S5555-ND in the adapter kit produced by Pignology. http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=S5555-ND http://pignology.net/kx3pda/ 73, Nick N3WG On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Mike Hagele AC6JA via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get the plastic plug this is included on the > KXPD3 paddle that plugs into the KX3 front panel? > I have a Begali Adventure paddle and would like to make up a wiring plug > that would go directly into the front panel instead of having to run the > shielded wire coiled up and into the left side key socket. > Any info would be appreciated. > Thanks. > > Mike AC6JA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nwgarner at gmail.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Fri Apr 29 19:51:09 2016 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:51:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite temporarily down In-Reply-To: <6E58D4926C7348A3B1F50C69305BADAA@tomsPC> References: <6E58D4926C7348A3B1F50C69305BADAA@tomsPC> Message-ID: <5723F36D.8050603@socal.rr.com> Poor Murphy always gets blamed for all bad things ;-) 73, Phil W7OX On 4/29/16 4:07 PM, Tom wrote: > Hello, > Murphy?s law has struck. The new release does not work correctly but the issue has been identified. The replacement will be up later this evening. > Sorry for the inconvenience. > 73 Tom From AC6JA at aol.com Fri Apr 29 20:01:58 2016 From: AC6JA at aol.com (AC6JA at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 20:01:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD3 pin socket Message-ID: <15b140.358f901e.44554ff6@aol.com> Beautiful! Just what I was looking for! Thank you! Mike AC6JA In a message dated 4/29/2016 4:22:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nwgarner at gmail.com writes: Hi Mike, I use DigiKey part number S5555-ND in the adapter kit produced by Pignology. http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=S5555-ND http://pignology.net/kx3pda/ 73, Nick N3WG On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Mike Hagele AC6JA via Elecraft <_elecraft at mailman.qth.net_ (mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net) > wrote: Does anyone know where I can get the plastic plug this is included on the KXPD3 paddle that plugs into the KX3 front panel? I have a Begali Adventure paddle and would like to make up a wiring plug that would go directly into the front panel instead of having to run the shielded wire coiled up and into the left side key socket. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. Mike AC6JA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:_Elecraft at mailman.qth.net_ (mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net) This list hosted by: _http://www.qsl.net_ (http://www.qsl.net/) Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to _nwgarner at gmail.com_ (mailto:nwgarner at gmail.com) From AC6JA at aol.com Fri Apr 29 20:02:07 2016 From: AC6JA at aol.com (AC6JA at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 20:02:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD3 pin socket Message-ID: <15b14c.11a9b84e.44554fff@aol.com> Beautiful! Just what I was looking for! Thank you! Mike AC6JA In a message dated 4/29/2016 4:22:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nwgarner at gmail.com writes: Hi Mike, I use DigiKey part number S5555-ND in the adapter kit produced by Pignology. http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=S5555-ND http://pignology.net/kx3pda/ 73, Nick N3WG On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Mike Hagele AC6JA via Elecraft <_elecraft at mailman.qth.net_ (mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net) > wrote: Does anyone know where I can get the plastic plug this is included on the KXPD3 paddle that plugs into the KX3 front panel? I have a Begali Adventure paddle and would like to make up a wiring plug that would go directly into the front panel instead of having to run the shielded wire coiled up and into the left side key socket. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. Mike AC6JA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:_Elecraft at mailman.qth.net_ (mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net) This list hosted by: _http://www.qsl.net_ (http://www.qsl.net/) Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to _nwgarner at gmail.com_ (mailto:nwgarner at gmail.com) From dl1sdz at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 10:22:22 2016 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:22:22 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Px3 Utility Macro Download Message-ID: Sorry, I can't find it and I have forgotten: Is there a way to download stored macros in the Px3. I can use them, but want to modify without reading the programmers manual. Or is there a place where they are stored? ?73 de? Hajo ? DL1SDZ? --- Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sat Apr 30 00:27:17 2016 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 00:27:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite temporarily down In-Reply-To: References: <6E58D4926C7348A3B1F50C69305BADAA@tomsPC> Message-ID: <375FF13EF99E4BDCADF965D65E19C7DA@tomsPC> Yes, my middle name is Murphy it seems! All is well now! -----Original Message----- From: Phil Wheeler Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 7:51 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite temporarily down Poor Murphy always gets blamed for all bad things ;-) 73, Phil W7OX On 4/29/16 4:07 PM, Tom wrote: > Hello, > Murphy?s law has struck. The new release does not work correctly but the > issue has been identified. The replacement will be up later this evening. > Sorry for the inconvenience. > 73 Tom ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From ronc at sonic.net Sat Apr 30 02:57:46 2016 From: ronc at sonic.net (Ron Castro) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 23:57:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] How does one get Elecraft's attention? Message-ID: <003f01d1a2ad$9a147950$ce3d6bf0$@sonic.net> I've left phone messages, support email and queries here on the reflector, but no luck in reaching Elecraft. I have been very disappointed that the K3/0 Mini, while working well as a simple remote head for the K3, has no native ability to connect to other software that one might use at the control point, and no one at Elecraft has been able to come up with a solution other than RCForb which has very limited ability to connect with other software and hardware, virtually no support and even less in the way of documentation. Maybe what I'm looking for is simply something that Elecraft can't supply, in which case, I'm prepared to dump the Elecraft equipment I have invested in and throw in with Flex and the new Maestro product. At least Flex returns my email. Ron Castro N6IE www.N6IE.com Member: ARRL Redwood Empire DX Assn. Northern California Contest Club Northern California DX Foundation Society of Broadcast Engineers From droese at necg.de Sat Apr 30 03:27:50 2016 From: droese at necg.de (=?utf-8?Q?Oliver_Dr=C3=B6se?=) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:27:50 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] How does one get Elecraft's attention? In-Reply-To: <003f01d1a2ad$9a147950$ce3d6bf0$@sonic.net> References: <003f01d1a2ad$9a147950$ce3d6bf0$@sonic.net> Message-ID: <50DE84DE-D440-4C99-91A3-BFE95F81FB0A@necg.de> What exactly are you looking for, Ron? Which kind of "control software"? 73, Olli - DH8BQA > Am 30.04.2016 um 08:57 schrieb Ron Castro : > > I've left phone messages, support email and queries here on the reflector, > but no luck in reaching Elecraft. > > > > I have been very disappointed that the K3/0 Mini, while working well as a > simple remote head for the K3, has no native ability to connect to other > software that one might use at the control point, and no one at Elecraft has > been able to come up with a solution other than RCForb which has very > limited ability to connect with other software and hardware, virtually no > support and even less in the way of documentation. > > > > Maybe what I'm looking for is simply something that Elecraft can't supply, > in which case, I'm prepared to dump the Elecraft equipment I have invested > in and throw in with Flex and the new Maestro product. At least Flex > returns my email. > > > > Ron Castro > > N6IE > > www.N6IE.com > > > > Member: > > ARRL > > Redwood Empire DX Assn. > > Northern California Contest Club > > Northern California DX Foundation > > Society of Broadcast Engineers > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de From ronc at sonic.net Sat Apr 30 03:38:06 2016 From: ronc at sonic.net (Ron Castro) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 00:38:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] How does one get Elecraft's attention? In-Reply-To: <50DE84DE-D440-4C99-91A3-BFE95F81FB0A@necg.de> References: <003f01d1a2ad$9a147950$ce3d6bf0$@sonic.net> <50DE84DE-D440-4C99-91A3-BFE95F81FB0A@necg.de> Message-ID: <004a01d1a2b3$3ce3e8f0$b6abbad0$@sonic.net> Simple thing I'm looking for, Olli...to have a local Perseus SDR track bi-directionally with the K3/0 Mini, and to connect simultaneously with N1MM. If the Mini could "look like" a K3, N4PY software could coordinate everything. I do this now with my Orion II. The RCForb software claims to have K3 emulation, but it really doesn't look anything like a real K3. It connects to N1MM, but that's about it. Ron Castro N6IE www.N6IE.com Member: ARRL Redwood Empire DX Assn. Northern California Contest Club Northern California DX Foundation Society of Broadcast Engineers -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Dr?se [mailto:droese at necg.de] Sent: April 30, 2016 12:28 AM To: ronc at sonic.net Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How does one get Elecraft's attention? What exactly are you looking for, Ron? Which kind of "control software"? 73, Olli - DH8BQA > Am 30.04.2016 um 08:57 schrieb Ron Castro : > > I've left phone messages, support email and queries here on the > reflector, but no luck in reaching Elecraft. > > > > I have been very disappointed that the K3/0 Mini, while working well > as a simple remote head for the K3, has no native ability to connect > to other software that one might use at the control point, and no one > at Elecraft has been able to come up with a solution other than RCForb > which has very limited ability to connect with other software and > hardware, virtually no support and even less in the way of documentation. > > > > Maybe what I'm looking for is simply something that Elecraft can't > supply, in which case, I'm prepared to dump the Elecraft equipment I > have invested in and throw in with Flex and the new Maestro product. > At least Flex returns my email. > > > > Ron Castro > > N6IE > > www.N6IE.com > > > > Member: > > ARRL > > Redwood Empire DX Assn. > > Northern California Contest Club > > Northern California DX Foundation > > Society of Broadcast Engineers > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > droese at necg.de From ns9i2016 at Bayland.net Sat Apr 30 04:42:33 2016 From: ns9i2016 at Bayland.net ('DGB') Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 03:42:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] How does one get Elecraft's attention? In-Reply-To: <004a01d1a2b3$3ce3e8f0$b6abbad0$@sonic.net> References: <003f01d1a2ad$9a147950$ce3d6bf0$@sonic.net> <50DE84DE-D440-4C99-91A3-BFE95F81FB0A@necg.de> <004a01d1a2b3$3ce3e8f0$b6abbad0$@sonic.net> Message-ID: The resident expert/inventor is Brandon. He can be reached by simply calling Elecraft. I spent many hrs. on the phone with him when I first got my K3S/Mini and remote boxes. I'd advice you to install Teamviewer on both PC's before calling him. GL. 73 Dwight NS9I On 4/30/2016 2:38 AM, Ron Castro wrote: > Simple thing I'm looking for, Olli...to have a local Perseus SDR track > bi-directionally with the K3/0 Mini, and to connect simultaneously with > N1MM. If the Mini could "look like" a K3, N4PY software could coordinate > everything. I do this now with my Orion II. The RCForb software claims to > have K3 emulation, but it really doesn't look anything like a real K3. It > connects to N1MM, but that's about it. > > Ron Castro > N6IE > www.N6IE.com > > Member: > ARRL > Redwood Empire DX Assn. > Northern California Contest Club > Northern California DX Foundation > Society of Broadcast Engineers > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Oliver Dr?se [mailto:droese at necg.de] > Sent: April 30, 2016 12:28 AM > To: ronc at sonic.net > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How does one get Elecraft's attention? > > What exactly are you looking for, Ron? Which kind of "control software"? > > 73, Olli - DH8BQA > > > >> Am 30.04.2016 um 08:57 schrieb Ron Castro : >> >> I've left phone messages, support email and queries here on the >> reflector, but no luck in reaching Elecraft. >> >> >> >> I have been very disappointed that the K3/0 Mini, while working well >> as a simple remote head for the K3, has no native ability to connect >> to other software that one might use at the control point, and no one >> at Elecraft has been able to come up with a solution other than RCForb >> which has very limited ability to connect with other software and >> hardware, virtually no support and even less in the way of documentation. >> >> >> >> Maybe what I'm looking for is simply something that Elecraft can't >> supply, in which case, I'm prepared to dump the Elecraft equipment I >> have invested in and throw in with Flex and the new Maestro product. >> At least Flex returns my email. >> >> >> >> Ron Castro >> >> N6IE >> >> www.N6IE.com >> >> >> >> Member: >> >> ARRL >> >> Redwood Empire DX Assn. >> >> Northern California Contest Club >> >> Northern California DX Foundation >> >> Society of Broadcast Engineers >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> droese at necg.de > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ns9i2016 at bayland.net > > From dd0vs at gmx.de Sat Apr 30 04:44:20 2016 From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 10:44:20 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3XREF] Is not synchronizing In-Reply-To: <5723CAD0.1850.9231943@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5723CAD0.1850.9231943@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: From droese at necg.de Sat Apr 30 05:03:33 2016 From: droese at necg.de (=?utf-8?Q?Oliver_Dr=C3=B6se?=) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:03:33 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] How does one get Elecraft's attention? In-Reply-To: <004a01d1a2b3$3ce3e8f0$b6abbad0$@sonic.net> References: <003f01d1a2ad$9a147950$ce3d6bf0$@sonic.net> <50DE84DE-D440-4C99-91A3-BFE95F81FB0A@necg.de> <004a01d1a2b3$3ce3e8f0$b6abbad0$@sonic.net> Message-ID: <57A3FEDD-CB13-4BAA-B55E-CF5704674C85@necg.de> Tried connecting the USB port for rig control? > Am 30.04.2016 um 09:38 schrieb Ron Castro : > > Simple thing I'm looking for, Olli...to have a local Perseus SDR track > bi-directionally with the K3/0 Mini, and to connect simultaneously with > N1MM. If the Mini could "look like" a K3, N4PY software could coordinate > everything. I do this now with my Orion II. The RCForb software claims to > have K3 emulation, but it really doesn't look anything like a real K3. It > connects to N1MM, but that's about it. > > Ron Castro > N6IE > www.N6IE.com > > Member: > ARRL > Redwood Empire DX Assn. > Northern California Contest Club > Northern California DX Foundation > Society of Broadcast Engineers > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Oliver Dr?se [mailto:droese at necg.de] > Sent: April 30, 2016 12:28 AM > To: ronc at sonic.net > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How does one get Elecraft's attention? > > What exactly are you looking for, Ron? Which kind of "control software"? > > 73, Olli - DH8BQA > > > >> Am 30.04.2016 um 08:57 schrieb Ron Castro : >> >> I've left phone messages, support email and queries here on the >> reflector, but no luck in reaching Elecraft. >> >> >> >> I have been very disappointed that the K3/0 Mini, while working well >> as a simple remote head for the K3, has no native ability to connect >> to other software that one might use at the control point, and no one >> at Elecraft has been able to come up with a solution other than RCForb >> which has very limited ability to connect with other software and >> hardware, virtually no support and even less in the way of documentation. >> >> >> >> Maybe what I'm looking for is simply something that Elecraft can't >> supply, in which case, I'm prepared to dump the Elecraft equipment I >> have invested in and throw in with Flex and the new Maestro product. >> At least Flex returns my email. >> >> >> >> Ron Castro >> >> N6IE >> >> www.N6IE.com >> >> >> >> Member: >> >> ARRL >> >> Redwood Empire DX Assn. >> >> Northern California Contest Club >> >> Northern California DX Foundation >> >> Society of Broadcast Engineers >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> droese at necg.de > > From k9jri at mac.com Sat Apr 30 10:36:34 2016 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 10:36:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Noise Gate on KX3 kills VOX delay setting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62A9A166-D3E4-4C42-918C-10DF06F1377D@mac.com> Has anyone else noticed this TX Noise Gate versus VOX Delay setting interaction? Michael Blake k9jri at mac.com > On Apr 29, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Michael Blake wrote: > > When the TX Noise Gate is set to ?On? with any gate level more than ?00? the VOX delay setting is ignored and the VOX drops out immediately. Is this by design? > > I am using MCU version 2.34 and DSP version 1.33 > > Michael Blake > k9jri at mac.com > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Apr 30 11:11:42 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:11:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3XREF] Is not synchronizing In-Reply-To: References: <5723CAD0.1850.9231943@Gary.ka1j.com>, Message-ID: <5724CB2E.558.D0C8075@Gary.ka1j.com> Hello Harald, It is probably best to repost this report to the list as there are many there far more knowledgeable about the K3 and what to expect, than me on it. With that, I am sending your reply directly to the list along with my reply to you. When I press Rev, I get no flashing XREV IN, it simply says XREV IN and then disappears after maybe one second. At that time it returns to REF CAL and within moments the asterisk is flashing. As I recall, initially it took a bit longer for the asterisk to appear, but it did and then it took some time for the REF CAL numerical readout to stabilize. Once stabilized I pushed A/B to save that value in memory. Write down your REF CAL number and then when you feel you have done all the right things, slowly turn VFO A and if you are locked in with the 10 MHz source, the letters REF CAL will be replaced with LOCKED. If this does not happen, return to the number you wrote down to return to where you were. Is it possible you do not have a working 10 MHz source? Is it possible either the connector or coax is not completing the connection? Is it possible the pins are not lined up properly in the K3XREF? At this point, I have no other ideas to help you, hopefully someone else can offer more. 73 & good luck, Gary KA1J > Hello Gary, > your assumption is correct. REV is pressed so that XREF IN is > flashing. > ? > But asterisk is not appearing :-( > ? > vy73 > Harald > DD0VS > ? > Gesendet:?Freitag, 29. April 2016 um 22:57 Uhr > Von:?"Gary Smith" > An:?Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Betreff:?Re: [Elecraft] [K3XREF] Is not synchronizing > Assuming you > > 1. Have tech MD set as ON. > > 2. Are on REF CAL and waiting to see the flashing asterisk and not > seeing it: > > Then push the REV (2) button to be sure the k3xref is engaged. > > I'm guessing you might have missed that last step. If so, wait a > short while & hope for the asterisk between the REF CAL > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dd0vs at gmx.de From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Apr 30 11:48:27 2016 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 08:48:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] How does one get Elecraft's attention? In-Reply-To: <003f01d1a2ad$9a147950$ce3d6bf0$@sonic.net> References: <003f01d1a2ad$9a147950$ce3d6bf0$@sonic.net> Message-ID: <43834B26-8FB2-4B1F-8252-6A276A9C3EED@elecraft.com> Ron, Our K3/0-mini expert (Brandon) was consumed with work and personal issues over the past couple of weeks. I'm sure he's aware of your questions and will get back to you as soon as possible. 73, Wayne N6KR On Apr 29, 2016, at 11:57 PM, "Ron Castro" wrote: > I've left phone messages, support email and queries here on the reflector,... From n7rjn at nobis.net Sat Apr 30 12:00:57 2016 From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:00:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] How does one get Elecraft's attention? In-Reply-To: <003f01d1a2ad$9a147950$ce3d6bf0$@sonic.net> References: <003f01d1a2ad$9a147950$ce3d6bf0$@sonic.net> Message-ID: Ron, The Elecraft people are normally very responsive. However, they are also very busy. Also, I believe they only have one person that is very knowledgeable with the K3/0 Mini. He may be temporarily away from the office. Also, not sure how quickly you expected someone to get back to you as you didn?t explain that small detail. 73, Bob Nobis - N7RJN n7rjn at nobis.net > On Apr 29, 2016, at 23:57, Ron Castro wrote: > > I've left phone messages, support email and queries here on the reflector, > but no luck in reaching Elecraft. > > > > I have been very disappointed that the K3/0 Mini, while working well as a > simple remote head for the K3, has no native ability to connect to other > software that one might use at the control point, and no one at Elecraft has > been able to come up with a solution other than RCForb which has very > limited ability to connect with other software and hardware, virtually no > support and even less in the way of documentation. > > > > Maybe what I'm looking for is simply something that Elecraft can't supply, > in which case, I'm prepared to dump the Elecraft equipment I have invested > in and throw in with Flex and the new Maestro product. At least Flex > returns my email. > > > > Ron Castro > > N6IE > > www.N6IE.com > > > > Member: > > ARRL > > Redwood Empire DX Assn. > > Northern California Contest Club > > Northern California DX Foundation > > Society of Broadcast Engineers > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7rjn at nobis.net > From w9ac at arrl.net Sat Apr 30 13:34:48 2016 From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 13:34:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] How does one get Elecraft's attention? Message-ID: <005001d1a306$9862fb50$c928f1f0$@arrl.net> >"Simple thing I'm looking for, Olli...to have a local Perseus SDR track bi-directionally with the K3/0 Mini, and to connect simultaneously with N1MM. If the Mini could "look like" a K3, N4PY software could coordinate everything. I do this now with my Orion II. The RCForb software claims to have K3 emulation, but it really doesn't look anything like a real K3. It connects to N1MM, but that's about it. Ron Castro N6IE" Ron, N4CC and I have been using our K3-Mini and K3/0 setup to communicate to a K3 at our remote site. I'm not sure if you're using RemoteRig. We managed to open up Com ports between RemoteRig and the shack PC to control and synchronize an SDR-IQ SDR receiver (tracks with the K3) and also use software like N1MM and MMTY with a microHam USB Interface. In fact, I can control N1MM loaded as a client on my home PC. But for a lousy DSL connection at the site, it works perfectly. We also use Win4K3Suite at the remote site to save and recall our personal K3 settings between us. So, if you are not using RemoteRig with your K3-Mini, you may want to look into it. I can tell you that quite a bit of brain power is needed to get it all synched and working together as I described, but it's all manageable. Paul, W9AC From ve7day at telus.net Sat Apr 30 14:54:29 2016 From: ve7day at telus.net (John) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 11:54:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] headphone audio Message-ID: <07DAA877CB2B49D18D51DC543D2F9923@Johnlabibm> I recently found the headphone plug pulled from the jack. The rig was on and now I only have audio from the left headphone. What should I expect to find bricked? Thanks. John. VE7DAY From dpbunte at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 15:08:14 2016 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:08:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] headphone audio In-Reply-To: <07DAA877CB2B49D18D51DC543D2F9923@Johnlabibm> References: <07DAA877CB2B49D18D51DC543D2F9923@Johnlabibm> Message-ID: John - Perhaps you already tried the phones in another piece of gear, or other phones in the rig, but the first thing I would check is the headphone plug, to see if the wire to the right phone broke in the plug assembly. I hope that is all it is. Dave - K9FN On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 2:54 PM, John wrote: > I recently found the headphone plug pulled from the jack. > The rig was on and now I only have audio from the left headphone. > What should I expect to find bricked? > Thanks. > John. > VE7DAY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From ve7day at telus.net Sat Apr 30 15:11:06 2016 From: ve7day at telus.net (John) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:11:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] headphone audio Message-ID: I've tried the 'phones in another rig and they are fine. I fear the problem may be in the audio amp in the K3. Thanks. John VE7DAY From ve7day at telus.net Sat Apr 30 15:32:51 2016 From: ve7day at telus.net (John) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:32:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] headphone audio Message-ID: <409958CB8BBB43D489BBD6D2100B6AA3@Johnlabibm> I have selected 'phones only. Looks like I'll have to go inside looking. Thanks. John. VE7DAY From w4nz at comcast.net Sat Apr 30 15:34:39 2016 From: w4nz at comcast.net (Ted Bryant) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:34:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] headphone audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006b01d1a317$56a934c0$03fb9e40$@comcast.net> Have you tried the headphone jack on the rear of the radio? Does it work OK? If it does, the audio amp is ok. 73, Ted W4NZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 3:11 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] headphone audio I've tried the 'phones in another rig and they are fine. I fear the problem may be in the audio amp in the K3. Thanks. John VE7DAY From ve7day at telus.net Sat Apr 30 15:48:13 2016 From: ve7day at telus.net (John) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 12:48:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] headphone audio Message-ID: <1F64FA11026C4CBB8B8CB92A76669724@Johnlabibm> Same symtoms via the rear headphone jack. Thanks for all who replied. John. VE7DAY From ron at cobi.biz Sat Apr 30 16:46:00 2016 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 13:46:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] headphone audio In-Reply-To: <07DAA877CB2B49D18D51DC543D2F9923@Johnlabibm> References: <07DAA877CB2B49D18D51DC543D2F9923@Johnlabibm> Message-ID: <002401d1a321$4e8d33e0$eba79ba0$@biz> Is the subrx enabled and volume turned down? Normally its audio would be on the right headphone. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 11:54 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] headphone audio I recently found the headphone plug pulled from the jack. The rig was on and now I only have audio from the left headphone. What should I expect to find bricked? Thanks. John. VE7DAY ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 30 16:51:29 2016 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 21:51:29 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Noise Gate on KX3 kills VOX delay setting In-Reply-To: <62A9A166-D3E4-4C42-918C-10DF06F1377D@mac.com> References: <62A9A166-D3E4-4C42-918C-10DF06F1377D@mac.com> Message-ID: Yes I noticed this a while ago. I never use VOX on SSB, but I do use the noise gate which is excellent. I consider it a bug I must say. Another gotcha is if you have SSB+CW ON and VOX is OFF, the Keyer will key the amplifier Keyline out at the CW rate! 73 from David GM4JJJ > On 30 Apr 2016, at 15:36, Michael Blake wrote: > > Has anyone else noticed this TX Noise Gate versus VOX Delay setting interaction? > > Michael Blake > k9jri at mac.com > > > > > > >> On Apr 29, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Michael Blake wrote: >> >> When the TX Noise Gate is set to ?On? with any gate level more than ?00? the VOX delay setting is ignored and the VOX drops out immediately. Is this by design? >> >> I am using MCU version 2.34 and DSP version 1.33 >> >> Michael Blake >> k9jri at mac.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From k3fo at juno.com Sat Apr 30 17:38:30 2016 From: k3fo at juno.com (Coy Waddell) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:38:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Headphone audio Message-ID: <9E5E8318-9F93-4BDC-8BAB-70356951CD56@juno.com> Make sure that you have 2 speakers selected in Menu selection not 1. The condition that you describe sounds like your setting is 1. Sent from my iPad ____________________________________________________________ Places You'll See 30 Stunning Pictures from the Newest, Biggest, Baddest Cruise Ship in the ... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/572525d8600a925d771e6st04duc From dk5ya at dk5ya.de Sat Apr 30 17:57:23 2016 From: dk5ya at dk5ya.de (Udo Langenohl - DK5YA) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 23:57:23 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Main RX gone deaf In-Reply-To: <571E77DD.4090005@dk5ya.de> References: <571D2420.7090900@dk5ya.de> <571E3D20.2000303@g3tct.co.uk> <571E77DD.4090005@dk5ya.de> Message-ID: <57252A43.6050209@dk5ya.de> Gents, I had another test session today with my K3 and here's what I've done and what happened: 1. I've checked all the test points recommended by Elecraft. No issue found, all stages are working, there's noise increasing on each test point at the Main RX. 2. Fired up my signal generator again and started on the Main RX with a signal on the following frequencies and with these results: Filter settings: 2.7KHz Preamp off Att: no Signal strength: -63 dBm Mode: USB 28.130 = S6 21.130 = S6 18.130 = S4 14.130 = S2 (!!) 10.130 = S4 7.130 = S8 (!!) 3.513 = S6 Same settings at the Sub RX (via AUX IN): 28.130 = S9+5 21.130 = S9+10 18.130 = S9+10 14.130 = S9+10 10.130 = S9+5 7.130 = S9+10 3.513 = S9+10 You will see that there are dramatic differences at the Main RX from band to band and from S2 (14 MHz) up to S8 (7 MHz). And of course when comparing Main RX with Sub RX. Also tried different filter settings (AM, CW), no change. I have no idea what is happening here and what to do next. 73 Udo, DK5YA Am 25.04.2016 um 22:02 schrieb Udo Langenohl - DK5YA: > Gentleman, > > thanks for all so many replies. Will try to check all ideas tomorrow, > XYL permitting ... ;-). > > 73 Udo, DK5YA > > P.S.: The issue occurs at the RX IN and TVTR IN ports of the KXV3A too. > > Am 25.04.2016 um 17:57 schrieb Jerry: >> Reseat the internal coax jumpers in the surf signal path. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Graham g3tct wrote: >>> >>> Hi Udo >>> Before you start tearing the rig apart, two ideas:- >>> >>> -is there a big difference for weak signals of say S4? >>> -if not, it may just be the S meter calibration that needs attention. >>> -if so, preamp on for either? Att on for main? >>> >>> HTH >>> Graham >>> >>>> On 19:59, Udo Langenohl - DK5YA wrote: >>>> Gentleman, >>>> >>>> I'm struggling with a Main RX vs. Sub RX issue. My Main RX is rather >>>> deaf compared to the Sub RX. I see at least 23.5dB attenuation >>>> between Main RX and Sub RX when comparing highly stable signals from >>>> my signal generator (HP8664A). This is only for ANT1/2 vs. AUX-IN! >>>> Example: >>>> -33dBm on 28.500 >>>> into AUX-IN (SUB RX): exactly 59 +40dB >>>> into ANT 1 (Main RX): 59 +15dB >>>> into ANT 2 (Main RX): 59 +15dB >>>> >>>> I've checked all the usual suspects (pin diodes): >>>> D1 and D5 on the KXV3A: o.k. >>>> Each and every pin diode on the SUB IN board: o.k. >>>> D5 on the Main RX board: o.k. >>>> >>>> This is a K3 #59xx with almost everything inside money can buy. >>>> >>>> My second K3 (serial #39xx) does not show this strange behavior. >>>> Main RX and SUB RX show exactly the same values on ANT1/2 and AUX >>>> IN. -33dBm is 59+40 on MAIN and SUB RX, no matter if Ant1, 2 or AUX IN. >>>> >>>> Any idea? I'm searching for weeks now and I'm close to give up. >>>> >>>> Udo, DK5YA >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com >> >> > -- ****************************************** Webs by DK5YA: * http://www.mmmonvhf.de/ [editor]* http://www.vhfdx.de/ [owner] * http://www.palekastro.de/ [owner] * http://www.solweb.de/ [owner] * http://www.spessartwetter.de/ [owner] * ****************************************** From andrew at ahebden.com Sat Apr 30 18:09:04 2016 From: andrew at ahebden.com (Andrew Hebden) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 23:09:04 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Build - What have I forgotten Message-ID: <002d01d1a32c$ea44f010$beced030$@com> Hi, I have completed my build following the manual and everything seems to work fine until I started to try and set it up for SSB. I can get full output using the two tone test but nothing through the microphone. I also tried a another microphone plugged in to the rear mic socket. Still nothing. Any suggestions? Andrew G8BYB --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Apr 30 18:27:22 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:27:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Build - What have I forgotten In-Reply-To: <002d01d1a32c$ea44f010$beced030$@com> References: <002d01d1a32c$ea44f010$beced030$@com> Message-ID: Andrew, What microphone are you trying to use? That is an important question. It must conform to either the Elecraft or the Kenwood microphone jack pinout to use the front panel K3S connector. The rear panel Mic jack works for those microphones that use a 3.5mm plug (Heil, Yamaha CM500 and other 'computer' microphones). You must select in the menu between the front panel mic jack and the rear panel. If the microphone has an electret element (Elecraft MH2, Yamaha CM500 or computer mic), then you must set Bias on. If it is a dynamic microphone (Kenwood or some Heil microphones), the Bias must be set to OFF. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/30/2016 6:09 PM, Andrew Hebden wrote: > Hi, > I have completed my build following the manual and everything seems to work > fine until I started to try and set it up for SSB. I can get full output > using the two tone test but nothing through the microphone. I also tried a > another microphone plugged in to the rear mic socket. Still nothing. > Any suggestions? > > From nf4l at comcast.net Sat Apr 30 18:32:53 2016 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:32:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Build - What have I forgotten In-Reply-To: <002d01d1a32c$ea44f010$beced030$@com> References: <002d01d1a32c$ea44f010$beced030$@com> Message-ID: <34ECCE85-1732-4C1E-88DD-975A97E2C97D@comcast.net> Andrew, Are the settings in MENU:MIC SEL correct? To use the rear plug I have rP.L biAS. That means rear panel, low gain and bias on. The bias setting will depend on what type mic you're using, on for electrets. How about mic gain? 73, Mike NF4L > On Apr 30, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Andrew Hebden wrote: > > Hi, > I have completed my build following the manual and everything seems to work > fine until I started to try and set it up for SSB. I can get full output > using the two tone test but nothing through the microphone. I also tried a > another microphone plugged in to the rear mic socket. Still nothing. > Any suggestions? > > Andrew > G8BYB > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From esteptony at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 20:29:14 2016 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 19:29:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Build - What have I forgotten In-Reply-To: <002d01d1a32c$ea44f010$beced030$@com> References: <002d01d1a32c$ea44f010$beced030$@com> Message-ID: Andrew, You probably just need to turn on the bias for the mic. Tony KT0NY On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Andrew Hebden wrote: > Hi, > I have completed my build following the manual and everything seems to work > fine until I started to try and set it up for SSB. I can get full output > using the two tone test but nothing through the microphone. I also tried a > another microphone plugged in to the rear mic socket. Still nothing. > Any suggestions? > > Andrew > G8BYB > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to esteptony at gmail.com > From richarddw1945 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 30 21:05:58 2016 From: richarddw1945 at yahoo.com (richarddw1945 at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 01:05:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Build - What have I forgotten In-Reply-To: References: <002d01d1a32c$ea44f010$beced030$@com> Message-ID: <211534318.5578143.1462064758843.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Andrew, Make sure you have the appropriate mic connector turned on (rear or front). ?Set mode to SSB< TAP (not hold) the Menu button, then turn VFO B knob to mic setting, then set the right mic input (or line) with the VFO A knob. ?Also, depending on your mic, you might need to turn on the mic bias using the "2" (REV) pad by tapping it on or off. Dick, K8ZTT On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Andrew Hebden wrote: > Hi, > I have completed my build following the manual and everything seems to work > fine until I started to try and set it up for SSB. I can get full output > using the two tone test but nothing through the microphone. I also tried a > another microphone plugged in to the rear mic socket. Still nothing. > Any suggestions? > > Andrew > G8BYB > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to esteptony at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to richarddw1945 at yahoo.com From jcolson7 at tampabay.rr.com Sat Apr 30 21:13:54 2016 From: jcolson7 at tampabay.rr.com (Jack Colson) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 21:13:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Prolific driver for Windows 10? Message-ID: Will the driver that is supplied by Elecraft on the mini CD work on Windows 10? It does on Win 7. Thank you, 73, Jack, W3TMZ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Apr 30 22:03:42 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 22:03:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Main RX gone deaf In-Reply-To: <57252A43.6050209@dk5ya.de> References: <571D2420.7090900@dk5ya.de> <571E3D20.2000303@g3tct.co.uk> <571E77DD.4090005@dk5ya.de> <57252A43.6050209@dk5ya.de> Message-ID: Udo, If you check the block diagram of the K3 you should see the area where the problem is located (page 76). Does the main have the same response as the subRX if you use the RX ANT IN? If so, there is a problem with either the T/R switch or the Low Pass filter area. If the main RX response is still not the same as the subRX when using the RX ANT IN, then the problem is in the main receiver itself. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/30/2016 5:57 PM, Udo Langenohl - DK5YA wrote: > Gents, > > I had another test session today with my K3 and here's what I've done > and what happened: > > 1. I've checked all the test points recommended by Elecraft. No issue > found, all stages are working, there's noise increasing on each test > point at the Main RX. > > 2. Fired up my signal generator again and started on the Main RX with > a signal on the following frequencies and with these results: > From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Apr 30 23:12:23 2016 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 23:12:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Build - What have I forgotten In-Reply-To: <002d01d1a32c$ea44f010$beced030$@com> References: <002d01d1a32c$ea44f010$beced030$@com> Message-ID: <285E431E-750B-473B-8156-369B028421E0@widomaker.com> Several questions: What mic? Correct plug? Which socket? What are Mic settings? Have read and understand the mic setting in the manual? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Apr 30, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Andrew Hebden wrote: > > Hi, > I have completed my build following the manual and everything seems to work > fine until I started to try and set it up for SSB. I can get full output > using the two tone test but nothing through the microphone. I also tried a > another microphone plugged in to the rear mic socket. Still nothing. > Any suggestions? > > Andrew > G8BYB > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Apr 30 23:36:22 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 23:36:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 80 meter band not seen Message-ID: <572579B6.9275.FB63D5C@Gary.ka1j.com> Folks, I'm at the final stages of readying a K3 for a friend. I've gone through every thing I can think of to be sure it is working perfectly. It has all the updates and upgrades available, and it seemed to be working perfectly. That is, till I noticed the 60M is not showing up when changing bands. I have done the TX calibrations with the Utility and it calibrated at 5336 kHz TxGain LP, HP and at 1MW so its in the radio but when I change bands it bypasses 5 MHz. From 1.60 MHz up it goes: 1.8 3.7 7 10 14 18 21 24 28 50 Using the MW calibration the Utility tested: 1900 kHz TxGain MW 08 3750 kHz TxGain MW 09 5336 kHz TxGain MW 16 7150 kHz TxGain MW 17 10125 kHz TxGain MW 16 14200 kHz TxGain MW 18 18110 kHz TxGain MW 26 21200 kHz TxGain MW 31 24930 kHz TxGain MW 34 29000 kHz TxGain MW 100 52000 kHz TxGain MW 77 I've never seen this before and looking at the manual, I see nothing relating to turning off the 60 meter band or turning it back on. I can manually enter a 5 MHz frequency but when I change bands, it bypasses it again. I must be missing some setting but scanning the manual, I see nothing under bypassing 60 meters or bypassing 5 MHz. Suggestions? 73, Gary KA1J From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Apr 30 23:44:03 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 23:44:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 60 meter band not seen Message-ID: <57257B83.30419.FBD4633@Gary.ka1j.com> I had sent this out earlier but I didn't receive it back so sending it again. ------------------- Folks, I'm at the final stages of readying a K3 for a friend. I've gone through every thing I can think of to be sure it is working perfectly. It has all the updates and upgrades available, and it seemed to be working perfectly. That is, till I noticed the 60M is not showing up when changing bands. I have done the TX calibrations with the Utility and it calibrated at 5336 kHz TxGain LP, HP and at 1MW so its in the radio but when I change bands it bypasses 5 MHz. From 1.60 MHz up it goes: 1.8 3.7 7 10 14 18 21 24 28 50 Using the MW calibration the Utility tested: 1900 kHz TxGain MW 08 3750 kHz TxGain MW 09 5336 kHz TxGain MW 16 7150 kHz TxGain MW 17 10125 kHz TxGain MW 16 14200 kHz TxGain MW 18 18110 kHz TxGain MW 26 21200 kHz TxGain MW 31 24930 kHz TxGain MW 34 29000 kHz TxGain MW 100 52000 kHz TxGain MW 77 I've never seen this before and looking at the manual, I see nothing relating to turning off the 60 meter band or turning it back on. I can manually enter a 5 MHz frequency but when I change bands, it bypasses it again. I must be missing some setting but scanning the manual, I see nothing under bypassing 60 meters or bypassing 5 MHz. Suggestions? 73, Gary KA1J From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Apr 30 23:44:03 2016 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 23:44:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 60 meter band not seen In-Reply-To: <572579B6.9275.FB63D5C@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <572579B6.9275.FB63D5C@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <57257B83.17275.FBD45F5@Gary.ka1j.com> Folks a typo in my original subject line; The subject line should read 60 meter band not seen, not the 80 meter band. sorry, Gary KA1J > Folks, > > I'm at the final stages of readying a K3 for a friend. I've gone > through every thing I can think of to be sure it is working > perfectly. It has all the updates and upgrades available, and it > seemed to be working perfectly. That is, till I noticed the 60M is > not showing up when changing bands. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Apr 30 23:58:56 2016 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 23:58:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 60 meter band not seen In-Reply-To: <57257B83.17275.FBD45F5@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <572579B6.9275.FB63D5C@Gary.ka1j.com> <57257B83.17275.FBD45F5@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: Gary, See the menu item BND MAP. That allows you to configure any band in or out. See page 54 in the manual. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/30/2016 11:44 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > Folks a typo in my original subject line; The subject line should > read 60 meter band not seen, not the 80 meter band. > >