From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Thu Oct 1 05:51:22 2015 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 10:51:22 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Proper Grounding In-Reply-To: <396365CA-2072-43EA-BCB5-502E2B331749@carolinaheli.com> References: <1443458158.2639989.395595833.1C782243@webmail.messagingengine.com> <56097ACC.1010802@audiosystemsgroup.com> <396365CA-2072-43EA-BCB5-502E2B331749@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <2116959114.95863.1443693082548.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbe3.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net> I think we are drifting off topic, my apologies, but if you are considering an ocf dipole you can only prevent common mode currents by use of a double wound balun, ie 2 separately made chokes connected together as a 4:1. A single core version does not properly cancel the common mode current that results in unwanted radiation from your coax feeder and can make your equipment live to rf. A huge amount of work has been done on this subject by DJ0IP and I suggest you look at his site http://www.dj0ip.de/balun-stuff/ is a good place to start. The proof of the pudding is in the eating and I have not seen anyone do real world measurements like he has on real aerials. David G3UNA > > On 30 September 2015 at 20:51 Jerry Moore wrote: > > > What I don't understand is my previous radio didn't affect the TV as far > as I know (xyl never complained) so it has me perplexed because the radio > shouldn't matter. As far as the buckmaster ocf, it uses a current transformer > (auto-transformer )to balance the antenna and match the impedance. > Jer > > On September 28, 2015 1:37:16 PM EDT, Jim Brown > wrote: > >On Mon,9/28/2015 9:35 AM, dw wrote: > >> If a tuner is located at the rig-side of the coax, and the coax is at > >> high SWR, it could possibly be a cause for coax radiation. > > > >It doesn't work that way. > > > >Radiation from coax is the result of IMBALANCE in the antenna. A > >ferrite > >common mode choke at the feedpoint can fix that. > > > >73, Jim K9YC > >______________________________________________________________ > >Elecraft mailing list > >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to d.cutter at ntlworld.com > From p.vano at cpce.net Thu Oct 1 06:40:48 2015 From: p.vano at cpce.net (VANO Peter) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:40:48 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] filter shift Message-ID: <560D0DB0.5040100@cpce.net> Hi Al, tnx for the answer (the only one, hi). The phenomenon is still here, so I'll be waiting what will be in the future, or maybe somebody from Elecraft will have the solution... Best regards OM7VV Peter From hms4 at lehigh.edu Thu Oct 1 07:27:18 2015 From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 07:27:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 For Sale Message-ID: In making my plans for a K3s upgrade, I have decided to sell my K3. I am going to remove all of my optional filters and only include the 2.8, 8 pole SSB. Currently running the latest firmware. K3 100 S/N 504 with all updates except for the enhanced Lf bandwidth DSP ATU KXV3 KBF3 This has been a great radio, non smoking, no marks & very clean. $1900. plus shipping in the factory carton Howard AE3T cell 484-951-1622 From n9tf at comcast.net Thu Oct 1 09:24:39 2015 From: n9tf at comcast.net (Gene Gabry) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 08:24:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Proper Grounding In-Reply-To: <2116959114.95863.1443693082548.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbe3.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net> References: <1443458158.2639989.395595833.1C782243@webmail.messagingengine.com> <56097ACC.1010802@audiosystemsgroup.com> <396365CA-2072-43EA-BCB5-502E2B331749@carolinaheli.com> <2116959114.95863.1443693082548.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbe3.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net> Message-ID: <007b01d0fc4c$865a4000$930ec000$@net> Good information David. I also Have a 80m OCF http://www.slickpic.com/users/GeneGabry/albums/N9TFHamStationPhotos/?wallpap er &viewer#8644290 and choosing the correct balun and RF choke is paramount. I went with the (W2FMI design) Com-BAL-41130ET 4:1 current balun. A bit pricy at $100.00, but worth every buck. I also added a 10 turn RF choke at the feed point. Absolutely no RF back to the shack on any of the 7 bands it is resonate on. Only running 100 watts, but antenna is low hanging at 35' with only about 50' of coax feeding from shack. 73 Gene N9TF K3S 10057 >I think we are drifting off topic, my apologies, but if you are considering an ocf dipole you can only prevent common mode currents by use of a double >wound balun, ie 2 separately made chokes connected together as a 4:1. A single core version does not properly cancel the common mode current that >results in unwanted radiation from your coax feeder and can make your equipment live to rf. > A huge amount of work has been done on this subject by DJ0IP and I suggest you look at his site > http://www.dj0ip.de/balun-stuff/ is a good place to start. >The proof of the pudding is in the eating and I have not seen anyone do real world measurements like he has on real aerials. >David >G3UNA > > On 30 September 2015 at 20:51 Jerry Moore < jermo at carolinaheli.com> wrote: > > > What I don't understand is my previous radio didn't affect the TV > as far as I know (xyl never complained) so it has me perplexed because > the radio shouldn't matter. As far as the buckmaster ocf, it uses a > current transformer (auto-transformer )to balance the antenna and match the impedance. > Jer > > On September 28, 2015 1:37:16 PM EDT, Jim Brown > < jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote: > >On Mon,9/28/2015 9:35 AM, dw wrote: > >> If a tuner is located at the rig-side of the coax, and the coax is at > >> high SWR, it could possibly be a cause for coax radiation. > > > >It doesn't work that way. > > > >Radiation from coax is the result of IMBALANCE in the antenna. A > >ferrite > >common mode choke at the feedpoint can fix that. > > > >73, Jim K9YC > >______________________________________________________________ > >Elecraft mailing list > >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to d.cutter at ntlworld.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n9tf at comcast.net From ve3rrd at sympatico.ca Thu Oct 1 10:06:01 2015 From: ve3rrd at sympatico.ca (Al Duncan) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 10:06:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 RX optimization Message-ID: <03F5773DECE141EDAC6944A30556C6DC@delle520> Most of you have probably already discovered this, but the following points I have found for CW operation (some of it applies to all modes) may be of help for new owners of a KX3: 1. The default 30dB of preamp gain isn't always a good choice. If I notice that the noise level (without signals) on a particular band is S5 or stronger, I reduce the preamp gain by 10dB and see if that helps. Amplifying noise doesn't help copy the signal buried in it any better. Even the noise reduction (NR) circuit will work better when it isn't swamped with noise; the CWT also works better for tuning a CW signal. I often find that reception on 40m and 80m is better with the preamp off or at 10 dB gain max. Note that preamp gain is set in the menu individually for each band. 2. A narrow bandwidth such as 300 Hz or even 100 Hz can really make the CW signal you are trying to hear stick out. A narrower bandwidth also makes the CWT tuning work better. I use a 500 Hz bandwidth when tuning around and then reduce it once I find a signal of interest, using CWT to get "on his frequency" (you could also press the SPOT button to let the KX3 center itself on the signal). 3. Remember that the receiver RF Gain setting appears to work "backwards" to what many people think. Maximum sensitivity is at a setting of 0 (zero), poorest sensitivity is at a setting of 60. 73, AL - VE3RRD From tchrme at aol.com Thu Oct 1 10:28:16 2015 From: tchrme at aol.com (Mike Lichtman) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 07:28:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Re KAT500 Fault Message-ID: <16E80393-11CF-427A-8752-A8475D1B18D3@aol.com> Dave, I recently purchased my KAT 500 and if I remember correctly the manual says it will fault for over 1K power. If you have 1500 w that is the cause. 73 Mike KF6KXG From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 1 10:57:21 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 10:57:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 RX optimization In-Reply-To: <03F5773DECE141EDAC6944A30556C6DC@delle520> References: <03F5773DECE141EDAC6944A30556C6DC@delle520> Message-ID: <051901d0fc59$7ad54330$707fc990$@carolinaheli.com> I find the audio FX delay feature really makes a huge difference in my headset. I'm not sure how/why but I hear and copy better with it turned on. I currently run the delay at 5. Jer -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Al Duncan Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:06 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 RX optimization Most of you have probably already discovered this, but the following points I have found for CW operation (some of it applies to all modes) may be of help for new owners of a KX3: 1. The default 30dB of preamp gain isn't always a good choice. If I notice that the noise level (without signals) on a particular band is S5 or stronger, I reduce the preamp gain by 10dB and see if that helps. Amplifying noise doesn't help copy the signal buried in it any better. Even the noise reduction (NR) circuit will work better when it isn't swamped with noise; the CWT also works better for tuning a CW signal. I often find that reception on 40m and 80m is better with the preamp off or at 10 dB gain max. Note that preamp gain is set in the menu individually for each band. 2. A narrow bandwidth such as 300 Hz or even 100 Hz can really make the CW signal you are trying to hear stick out. A narrower bandwidth also makes the CWT tuning work better. I use a 500 Hz bandwidth when tuning around and then reduce it once I find a signal of interest, using CWT to get "on his frequency" (you could also press the SPOT button to let the KX3 center itself on the signal). 3. Remember that the receiver RF Gain setting appears to work "backwards" to what many people think. Maximum sensitivity is at a setting of 0 (zero), poorest sensitivity is at a setting of 60. 73, AL - VE3RRD ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 1 11:11:31 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:11:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Proper Grounding In-Reply-To: <007b01d0fc4c$865a4000$930ec000$@net> References: <1443458158.2639989.395595833.1C782243@webmail.messagingengine.com> <56097ACC.1010802@audiosystemsgroup.com> <396365CA-2072-43EA-BCB5-502E2B331749@carolinaheli.com> <2116959114.95863.1443693082548.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbe3.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net> <007b01d0fc4c$865a4000$930ec000$@net> Message-ID: <051b01d0fc5b$75606720$60213560$@carolinaheli.com> Part of my confusion is based on this being a commercial solution that didn't have a problem until recently. One thing I've thought of is that my TV configuration may have changed with the addition of a Chromecast..etc.. so I'll be doing a clean setup troubleshooting here soon (remove everything except power, see if I can duplicate.. if not then add antenna lead... if not ... add..etc.. ). The only other change in my environment is that the weather is raining and the antenna routes through a pear tree. So it's possible the wet foliage is contributing. If that's the case then the tree comes down. I'm expecting that it's something added/connected to the TV. Powerline filters haven't had any effect. I just realized my station safety grounds aren't connected because I'm still working on my Operating table hutch. Just have the trim and staining to finish for that. I'm also planning to run a dedicated power cable with heavier gauge wire to get a better ground at my station. Based on the TON of responses I've gotten I'll be running a heavy gauge THNN or similar from outside my station (where I'll add a ground rod) up to an antenna switch for grounding and bonding all of it together with the main ground on the other side of the house. I'm not sure how I'll NOT end up with a ground loop in this configuration. Main panel/ground is around 80' from the proposed shack ground rod. So the Main panel ground will come in via the heavy power cable. The shack side ground rod will bond to the heavy power cable ground. The antenna switch ground will run along the roof and down the side of the house to the shack ground rod. All internal shack equipment will be grounded via a heavy copper bus plate to the power cable ground. So the coax will end up being grounded in the shack AND via the antenna switch ground. From all of the reading the antenna switch ground is for lightning to have a lower impedance to ground OUTSIDE the house instead of through my gear/power system. It will be a bit to get this done as I'm having to replace antenna switches lost during a relocation. I have the antenna control boxes for the ameritron RCS8 and 4. Apparently I can't just buy the switch without the controlbox. Jer -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gene Gabry Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 9:25 AM To: 'elecraft' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Proper Grounding Good information David. I also Have a 80m OCF http://www.slickpic.com/users/GeneGabry/albums/N9TFHamStationPhotos/?wallpap er &viewer#8644290 and choosing the correct balun and RF choke is paramount. I went with the (W2FMI design) Com-BAL-41130ET 4:1 current balun. A bit pricy at $100.00, but worth every buck. I also added a 10 turn RF choke at the feed point. Absolutely no RF back to the shack on any of the 7 bands it is resonate on. Only running 100 watts, but antenna is low hanging at 35' with only about 50' of coax feeding from shack. 73 Gene N9TF K3S 10057 >I think we are drifting off topic, my apologies, but if you are >considering an ocf dipole you can only prevent common mode currents by use of a double >wound balun, ie 2 separately made chokes connected together as a 4:1. >A single core version does not properly cancel the common mode current that >results in unwanted radiation from your coax feeder and can make your equipment live to rf. > A huge amount of work has been done on this subject by DJ0IP and I > suggest you look at his site > http://www.dj0ip.de/balun-stuff/ is > a good place to start. >The proof of the pudding is in the eating and I have not seen anyone do real world measurements like he has on real aerials. >David >G3UNA > > On 30 September 2015 at 20:51 Jerry Moore < jermo at carolinaheli.com> wrote: > > > What I don't understand is my previous radio didn't affect the TV > as far as I know (xyl never complained) so it has me perplexed because > the radio shouldn't matter. As far as the buckmaster ocf, it uses a > current transformer (auto-transformer )to balance the antenna and > match the impedance. > Jer > > On September 28, 2015 1:37:16 PM EDT, Jim Brown > < jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote: > >On Mon,9/28/2015 9:35 AM, dw wrote: > >> If a tuner is located at the rig-side of the coax, and the coax > is at > >> high SWR, it could possibly be a cause for coax radiation. > > > >It doesn't work that way. > > > >Radiation from coax is the result of IMBALANCE in the antenna. A > >ferrite > >common mode choke at the feedpoint can fix that. > > > >73, Jim K9YC > >______________________________________________________________ > >Elecraft mailing list > >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to d.cutter at ntlworld.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n9tf at comcast.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From dkent53 at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 11:32:58 2015 From: dkent53 at gmail.com (dave_w0ru) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 08:32:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Fault In-Reply-To: <1443656231410-7608563.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1443656231410-7608563.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1443713578777-7608580.post@n2.nabble.com> dave_w0ru wrote > With the * > KAT500 * > in Standby, I can tune with the KAT500 just fine. That should read: With the *KPA500* in Standby, Dave w0ru -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KAT500-Fault-tp7608563p7608580.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w4rks73 at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 11:58:27 2015 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 10:58:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KS3 Proper Grounding Message-ID: Jer, If you run the connecting ground around the house on the outside, you may consider adding several ground rods to that connecting run just to break up possible loops. > ... the main ground on the other side of the house. >I'm not sure how I'll NOT end up with a ground loop >in this configuration. From eckerpw at yahoo.com Thu Oct 1 12:00:34 2015 From: eckerpw at yahoo.com (paul ecker) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] VFO B is tracking VFO A Message-ID: <1890582155.3794742.1443715234195.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> A related question: What is difference between VFO IND ?and VFO LNK ?? I ask because I recently installed the 2nd ?receiver and had set VFO IND to Yes. I then noticed that when trying to use the SCAN feature that when I press M>V, only VFO A was being populated with the stored memory not VFO B. Thus Scan would not start. 73 Paulkc2nyu From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Oct 1 12:08:47 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:08:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO B is tracking VFO A In-Reply-To: <1890582155.3794742.1443715234195.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1890582155.3794742.1443715234195.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6AD9CDF2-C8B6-4649-9DE6-70BF65F003B0@elecraft.com> paul ecker wrote: > A related question: What is difference between VFO IND and VFO LNK ? VFO IND = NO (default) keeps VFO A and B on the same band at all times. VFO IND = YES allows VFO B to be on a different band. This is most useful with the sub receiver. VFO LNK just slaves VFO B to VFO A. As you rotate A, B moves along with it. VFO B can be moved off of VFO A's frequency, in which case moving VFO A will preserve some offset between the two. In practice this is not used very often, which is why VFO LNK was moved to a menu entry. This allowed us to use a regular HOLD of the SUB switch to get into diversity mode. NOTE: Speaking of which, VFO LNK is *not* needed for diversity receive mode. In diversity, VFO A automatically controls both the main and sub receiver frequencies. VFO B can be used as a holding register for another part of the band, or for use as the TX frequency during SPLIT. 73, Wayne N6KR > I ask because I recently installed the 2nd receiver and had set VFO IND to Yes. I then noticed that when trying to use the SCAN feature that when I press M>V, only VFO A was being populated with the stored memory not VFO B. Thus Scan would not start. > 73 Paulkc2nyu From wes at triconet.org Thu Oct 1 12:16:36 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:16:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KS3 Proper Grounding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <623F5EB7-B073-4A28-8D83-85F4D4624A3D@triconet.org> It shouldn't be "if", it should be "when." On Oct 1, 2015, at 8:58 AM, James Wilson wrote: > Jer, > > If you run the connecting ground around the house on the outside, you may > consider adding several ground rods to that connecting run just to break up > possible loops. > >> ... the main ground on the other side of the house. >I'm not sure how > I'll NOT end up with a ground loop >in this configuration. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes at triconet.org From eckerpw at yahoo.com Thu Oct 1 12:18:10 2015 From: eckerpw at yahoo.com (paul ecker) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 16:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] VFO B is tracking VFO A In-Reply-To: <6AD9CDF2-C8B6-4649-9DE6-70BF65F003B0@elecraft.com> References: <6AD9CDF2-C8B6-4649-9DE6-70BF65F003B0@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1908484928.3800701.1443716290554.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Wayne - Tnx for explanation. Further question.?VFO IND = YES allows VFO B to be on a different band. This is most useful with the sub receiver. So if I have VFO IND set to YES, does this preclude using the SCAN feature? 73?Paul From: Wayne Burdick To: paul ecker Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] VFO B is tracking VFO A paul ecker wrote: > A related question: What is difference between VFO IND? and VFO LNK ? VFO IND = NO (default) keeps VFO A and B on the same band at all times. VFO IND = YES allows VFO B to be on a different band. This is most useful with the sub receiver. VFO LNK just slaves VFO B to VFO A. As you rotate A, B moves along with it. VFO B can be moved off of VFO A's frequency, in which case moving VFO A will preserve some offset between the two. In practice this is not used very often, which is why VFO LNK was moved to a menu entry. This allowed us to use a regular HOLD of the SUB switch to get into diversity mode. NOTE: Speaking of which, VFO LNK is *not* needed for diversity receive mode. In diversity, VFO A automatically controls both the main and sub receiver frequencies. VFO B can be used as a holding register for another part of the band, or for use as the TX frequency during SPLIT. 73, Wayne N6KR > I ask because I recently installed the 2nd? receiver and had set VFO IND to Yes. I then noticed that when trying to use the SCAN feature that when I press M>V, only VFO A was being populated with the stored memory not VFO B. Thus Scan would not start. > 73 Paulkc2nyu From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Oct 1 12:58:41 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:58:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Proper Grounding In-Reply-To: <051b01d0fc5b$75606720$60213560$@carolinaheli.com> References: <1443458158.2639989.395595833.1C782243@webmail.messagingengine.com> <56097ACC.1010802@audiosystemsgroup.com> <396365CA-2072-43EA-BCB5-502E2B331749@carolinaheli.com> <2116959114.95863.1443693082548.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbe3.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net> <007b01d0fc4c$865a4000$930ec000$@net> <051b01d0fc5b$75606720$60213560$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <560D6641.20703@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,10/1/2015 8:11 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:: > Part of my confusion is based on this being a commercial solution that > didn't have a problem until recently. Buying "a commercial solution" seems to mean that you're assuming that whoever is selling a product really understands how antennas work and the shortcomings of the product they're selling, so you don't have to understand it. Part of being a ham is taking the time to actually learn how stuff works. I suggest that you study the links I posted yesterday. They are both tutorial and practical. > Just > have the trim and staining to finish for that. I'm also planning to run a > dedicated power cable with heavier gauge wire to get a better ground at my > station. Based on the TON of responses I've gotten I'll be running a heavy > gauge THNN or similar from outside my station (where I'll add a ground rod) > up to an antenna switch for grounding and bonding all of it together with > the main ground on the other side of the house. I'm not sure how I'll NOT > end up with a ground loop in this configuration. While a dedicated power line to your station is a good thing, there's too much foggy thinking and false logic in what some have been telling you to do. The earth is NOT a sump into which RFI is poured. Yes, you should run a bonding cable from your station to a ground rod, BUT that rod MUST be bonded to all other grounds for safety. What these two measures can do for you is CONTROL where common mode current flows -- it will flow on that new ground wire and that new dedicated power line -- but that RF current will still RADIATE, and can be picked up by any other wires in your home, like those in your home entertainment system. Caps added for emphasis. :) 73, Jim K9YC From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Oct 1 12:31:21 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:31:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] VFO B is tracking VFO A In-Reply-To: <1908484928.3800701.1443716290554.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <6AD9CDF2-C8B6-4649-9DE6-70BF65F003B0@elecraft.com> <1908484928.3800701.1443716290554.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <70726EFE-CC95-4CED-B93F-C30D2A0C6D1E@elecraft.com> On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:18 AM, paul ecker wrote: > Wayne - Tnx for explanation. Further question. > VFO IND = YES allows VFO B to be on a different band. This is most useful with the sub receiver. > > So if I have VFO IND set to YES, does this preclude using the SCAN feature? You can still use SCAN with VFO IND=YES as long as the two VFOs are set to the same band. When you first set VFO IND=YES and try scan, you might see an error message (M>V REQuired) if the target scanning memory was set up prior to this. In that case, just set up the scanning memory again. Wayne From bsusb at k5dkz.com Thu Oct 1 13:10:43 2015 From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bsusb) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:10:43 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] ACC2 In-Reply-To: <20150930184331.2129e3cdbff7834d94ebf921@k5dkz.com> References: <20150930142556.b1b5a4f5f264431e437f7eb2@k5dkz.com> <1ED8405F-865C-420B-B2CC-19851616072E@elecraft.com> <20150930184331.2129e3cdbff7834d94ebf921@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <20151001111043.8a0b0ff08ab7bab48ba8ed31@k5dkz.com> I need to clarify some of my misconceptions about ACC2 and offer some unfortunate experience with the special cable package offered with the KXPA100 when integrating to the KX3. First off the GPIO function has nothing to do with interface to the amp. Perhaps that is why there is no reference to GPIO in the amp manual. About a month ago I bought a KXPA100 and the special KX3 interface cable kit. After it was hooked up to the KX3, I could not turn on the amp with a PA = ON. The problem was a bad cable. Cable badness was verified with the discovery of an unsoldered wire in the little black box that hides all the interconnects. A new cable set was requested, arrived promptly, and solved the problem. A week later the amp refused to work properly. If I set the KX3 to tune and advanced the power past 10 watts both amp and KX3 turned themselves off. Obviously a power supply problem? I tried a different power supply that was tested and known to be good but I still had the problem. Turn the power past 10 watts and the radios turned themselves off. That is when it occured to me that maybe setting ACC2 = ON might be needed. Of course that was wrong. By the way you should change that from ACC2 = ON/OFF to GPIO = ON/OFF. Evidently the ACC2 keying line is alwas on. This morning I replaced the short modular cable connecting the amp to the black connection hub on the special cable. Everything is working as it should now. I really like the KX3 and the pricey KXPA100. I can't say the same for the cable set. You might consider testing these special cable sets before shipping them. On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 18:43:31 -0600 frank wrote: > I knew there was something I did not understand about that. > > That also explains why I had do an ACC2 = ON to make the KX3 work with the KXPA100. > > On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 14:29:21 -0700 > Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > Frank, > > > > ACC2 has two outputs: a keyline for the amp (always on), and a general-purpose programmable output (GPIO). The latter is what's controlled by the ACC2 IO menu entry. You can use this signal for various functions as described in the ACC2 IO menu entry. > > > > When the amp is used with our custom KXPA100 interface cable, the ACC2 keyline signal is routed to the amp, and the GPIO signal is broken out to its own connector for your use. > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > > > On Sep 30, 2015, at 1:25 PM, frank wrote: > > > > > > > > ACC2 = OFF appears to be a factory default. Why? > > > > > > Other rigs do not disable the amp keying line. Why was it neccessary to do that in the KX3? > > > -- > > > Frank - K5DKZ > > > KX3 - 7550 > > > PX3 - 1143 > > > KXPA100 - 1566 > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > > > > > -- > Frank - K5DKZ > KX3 - 7550 > PX3 - 1143 > KXPA100 - 1566 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to frank at k5dkz.com -- bsusb From k9fd at flex.com Thu Oct 1 13:29:31 2015 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 07:29:31 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Proper Grounding In-Reply-To: <560D6641.20703@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1443458158.2639989.395595833.1C782243@webmail.messagingengine.com> <56097ACC.1010802@audiosystemsgroup.com> <396365CA-2072-43EA-BCB5-502E2B331749@carolinaheli.com> <2116959114.95863.1443693082548.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbe3.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net> <007b01d0fc4c$865a4000$930ec000$@net> <051b01d0fc5b$75606720$60213560$@carolinaheli.com> <560D6641.20703@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <560D6D7B.2050705@flex.com> This whole thread is quite amusing, no matter how much explanation takes place, people still believe a ground rod is RF ground . Then the poor guy with the problem who states "nothing has changed" admits he has not grounded the station gear yet. but it was before. Talk about a lot of posting for nothing. I hope some of you will at least read and learn, there has been some great info put forth in this thread, and from the replies one can tell that some still dont get it. Thanks to Jim and others who have the patience to keep going over and over the facts trying to educate. Hope some of it sinks in, 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 WH2XCR 10/1/2015 8:11 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:: >> Part of my confusion is based on this being a commercial solution that >> didn't have a problem until recently. > > Buying "a commercial solution" seems to mean that you're assuming that > whoever is selling a product really understands how antennas work and > the shortcomings of the product they're selling, so you don't have to > understand it. Part of being a ham is taking the time to actually > learn how stuff works. I suggest that you study the links I posted > yesterday. They are both tutorial and practical. > >> Just >> have the trim and staining to finish for that. I'm also planning to >> run a >> dedicated power cable with heavier gauge wire to get a better ground >> at my >> station. Based on the TON of responses I've gotten I'll be running a >> heavy >> gauge THNN or similar from outside my station (where I'll add a >> ground rod) >> up to an antenna switch for grounding and bonding all of it together >> with >> the main ground on the other side of the house. I'm not sure how I'll >> NOT >> end up with a ground loop in this configuration. > > While a dedicated power line to your station is a good thing, there's > too much foggy thinking and false logic in what some have been telling > you to do. The earth is NOT a sump into which RFI is poured. Yes, you > should run a bonding cable from your station to a ground rod, BUT that > rod MUST be bonded to all other grounds for safety. What these two > measures can do for you is CONTROL where common mode current flows -- > it will flow on that new ground wire and that new dedicated power line > -- but that RF current will still RADIATE, and can be picked up by any > other wires in your home, like those in your home entertainment system. > > Caps added for emphasis. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com > From egan.dennis88 at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 13:30:07 2015 From: egan.dennis88 at gmail.com (Dennis) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 13:30:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Update: K3 Issues Since Synthesizer Upgrade Message-ID: <560D6D9F.5040800@gmail.com> Several days ago I posted the below to the Reflector. After a couple of days of reproducing the below errors, I can safely say that NONE of them are connected to the Synthesizer Upgrade. Since they all happened since the upgrade I made the incorrect assumption that that had something to do with the new problems. #1- DVK- Cockpit error. M1 and M2 did not have a message recorded in them, so gave incorrect responses when I tried to play those message. Recorded messages in both, all work normally. #2- No resolution to this yet. #3- Could not reproduce the error. May be tied to #5. #4- This is how the radio is supposed to function. Hit a key that can't execute when you're transmitting, and the K3 is supposed to stop transmitting and give the errors. #5- This seems to be an N1MMLogger+ error, but hasn't been confirmed yet. The DSE errors seemed to be created in the K3 by bad input from N1MM+; in any case, the two got out of sync, and the DSE errors were created. #6- Diversity was a red herring. I could reproduce the problems whether diversity was on or off. During the contest, problems didn't seem to start until diversity was turned on, but further research shows that diversity had nothing to with any problems. #7- Same as #6. The Synthesizer upgrade didn't have anything to do with the problems I had. Dennis W1UE --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I did the Synthesizer on my K3 a couple of weeks ago. After putting in the synthesizers, I also upgraded to Firmware 5.33, which was the latest at the time (I see that 5.35 was released the day after I did the upgrade). The SYNTH OK messages were seen on the menu, and the configuration was redone as specified in the instructions. I also took care not to lose any washers inside the radio, and to not disturb anything within the radio. Since then, I have had a number of issues with my K3. #1- DVK doesn't work via N1MM command. VFO B says "DVK Not installed", but I do have one installed. I can also play the messages by pressing the Message key. I checked the config menu, and it says it is installed. #2- I have heard a number of loud audio "pops" since the above changes. #3- I have actually lost audio several times with no VFO B errors- audio just stops in the middle of a QSO. #4- During CQWW RTTY, if I was transmitting and pushed a key- say A/B, or Rev- transmitting stops, I get an "Error PTT" followed by an "Error Key" in the VFO B window for a few seconds each, then the radio clears itself. I can then resume transmitting. No audio loss while this is happening. #5- During the contest, N1MM would show the Radio Mode as PSK. The program would keep on transmitting RTTY, and what went into the log was indicated as RTTY, the K3 was working properly in RTTY and indicated it was in Mode D FSK correctly. #6- When I tried to use Diversity reception, the K3 would switch into Diversity mode correctly. After a while, I would get a sudden total audio loss and one of several DSE errors: E015555, E005555, 00C2C2, 003030. #7- Turning the diversity OFF seemed to decrease the severity of In all cases, power cycling the radio would clear the error and the audio would be restored. I've tried reloading firmware, and it reloaded without a problem. Yes, I power cycled the radio immediately after the firmware update was done. I haven't tried downloading the firmware a second time from the web site, and then reloading it into the radio but I suspect that may be the next thing that I try. At this point, I'm open to suggestions. Thanks for input! Dennis W1UE From eric at elecraft.com Thu Oct 1 13:32:12 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 10:32:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Proper Grounding In-Reply-To: <560D6641.20703@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1443458158.2639989.395595833.1C782243@webmail.messagingengine.com> <56097ACC.1010802@audiosystemsgroup.com> <396365CA-2072-43EA-BCB5-502E2B331749@carolinaheli.com> <2116959114.95863.1443693082548.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbe3.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net> <007b01d0fc4c$865a4000$930ec000$@net> <051b01d0fc5b$75606720$60213560$@carolinaheli.com> <560D6641.20703@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <560D6E1C.8040105@elecraft.com> We're had a lot of posts on this topic. Ltt's let it rest for now in the interest of relieving list email overload for others. thread closed. 73, Eric /Moderator etc. elecraft.com/ ==== On 10/1/2015 9:58 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Thu,10/1/2015 8:11 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:: >> Part of my confusion is based on this being a commercial solution that >> didn't have a problem until recently. > > Buying "a commercial solution" seems to mean that you're assuming that whoever > is selling a product really understands how antennas work and the shortcomings > of the product they're selling, so you don't have to understand it. Part of > being a ham is taking the time to actually learn how stuff works. I suggest > that you study the links I posted yesterday. They are both tutorial and > practical. From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Oct 1 13:53:26 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 10:53:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Update: K3 Issues Since Synthesizer Upgrade In-Reply-To: <560D6D9F.5040800@gmail.com> References: <560D6D9F.5040800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1F341A7B-299D-4963-87B0-8C1EBDAE54F4@elecraft.com> Hi Dennis, > #2- I have heard a number of loud audio "pops" since the above changes. Please email me directly with a description of how these pops can be produced, i.e. what controls you're using at the time. > #4- During CQWW RTTY, if I was transmitting and pushed a key- say A/B, or Rev- transmitting stops, I get an "Error PTT" followed by an "Error Key" in the VFO B window for a few seconds each, then the radio clears itself. I can then resume transmitting. No audio loss while this is happening. This shouldn't happen. I've been trying to reproduce it. Again, let me know exactly how the rig is set up and whether there's a way to consistently reproduce it. 73, Wayne N6KR From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 13:55:14 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 13:55:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Proper Grounding In-Reply-To: <560D6641.20703@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1443458158.2639989.395595833.1C782243@webmail.messagingengine.com> <56097ACC.1010802@audiosystemsgroup.com> <396365CA-2072-43EA-BCB5-502E2B331749@carolinaheli.com> <2116959114.95863.1443693082548.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbe3.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net> <007b01d0fc4c$865a4000$930ec000$@net> <051b01d0fc5b$75606720$60213560$@carolinaheli.com> <560D6641.20703@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > What these two measures can do for you is CONTROL where common mode > current flows -- it will flow on that new ground wire and that new > dedicated power line -- but that RF current will still RADIATE, and can be > picked up by any other wires in your home, like those in your home > entertainment system. It's even worse, as true what Jim says is. Short version: Common mode current messes up BOTH transmit and receive. Don't buy junk baluns and blockers. Insist on response curves from manufacturer. Never ever go cheep on baluns and blocking. Either buy or make the good stuff. Long version: The common mode path is a two way street. Many find attic antennas very noisy because they hear all the RF noise from all the stuff in the house. Changing to an outside antenna even a little ways from the house reduces that noise immensely. If a common mode path is open, it's an open road from the house to the antenna for house noise. At the antenna the house noise is added to the reception, making it much noisier. A common mode block working well enough to stop TX interference often still hasn't enough blocking to prevent the reverse path from raising your RX noise level. Designing your station to eliminate ground and common mode problems, before installing anything, will save you much consternation in the future. Understand there are companies who advertise in national magazines who sell junk baluns and junk common mode blocking devices. Or they say all-band when they barely cover down to 40 meters, if that. They are sure we are a bunch of dumb clucks who can't possibly tell the difference. Prove them wrong. Caveat Emptor. Buy from manufacturers that publish the response curves, with actual dB values, on all their devices. Ignore everyone else. 73, Guy K2AV From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 13:59:52 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 13:59:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Update: K3 Issues Since Synthesizer Upgrade In-Reply-To: <560D6D9F.5040800@gmail.com> References: <560D6D9F.5040800@gmail.com> Message-ID: About #2, make sure you did not accidentally have the AGC off. If you like to operate without AGC, you can set the AGC to not cut in until a signal is quite loud, and then holds anything higher to the same level. It's kind of like AGC OFF with a safety valve. 73, Guy K2AV On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Dennis wrote: > Several days ago I posted the below to the Reflector. After a couple of > days of reproducing the below errors, > I can safely say that NONE of them are connected to the Synthesizer > Upgrade. Since they all happened > since the upgrade I made the incorrect assumption that that had something > to do with the new problems. > > #1- DVK- Cockpit error. M1 and M2 did not have a message recorded in > them, so gave incorrect responses > when I tried to play those message. Recorded messages in both, all work > normally. > #2- No resolution to this yet. > #3- Could not reproduce the error. May be tied to #5. > #4- This is how the radio is supposed to function. Hit a key that can't > execute when you're transmitting, and > the K3 is supposed to stop transmitting and give the errors. > #5- This seems to be an N1MMLogger+ error, but hasn't been confirmed yet. > The DSE errors seemed to > be created in the K3 by bad input from N1MM+; in any case, the two got out > of sync, and the DSE errors > were created. > #6- Diversity was a red herring. I could reproduce the problems whether > diversity was on or off. During the > contest, problems didn't seem to start until diversity was turned on, but > further research shows that diversity > had nothing to with any problems. > #7- Same as #6. > > The Synthesizer upgrade didn't have anything to do with the problems I had. > > Dennis W1UE > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I did the Synthesizer on my K3 a couple of weeks ago. After putting in > the synthesizers, I also upgraded to Firmware 5.33, which was the latest at > the time (I see that 5.35 was released the day after I did the upgrade). > The SYNTH OK messages were seen on the menu, and the configuration was > redone as specified in the instructions. I also took care not to lose any > washers inside the radio, and to not disturb anything within the radio. > Since then, I have had a number of issues with my K3. > > #1- DVK doesn't work via N1MM command. VFO B says "DVK Not installed", > but I do have one installed. I can also play the messages by pressing the > Message key. I checked the config menu, and it says it is installed. > #2- I have heard a number of loud audio "pops" since the above changes. > #3- I have actually lost audio several times with no VFO B errors- audio > just stops in the middle of a QSO. > #4- During CQWW RTTY, if I was transmitting and pushed a key- say A/B, or > Rev- transmitting stops, I get an "Error PTT" followed by an "Error Key" in > the VFO B window for a few seconds each, then the radio clears itself. I > can then resume transmitting. No audio loss while this is happening. > #5- During the contest, N1MM would show the Radio Mode as PSK. The > program would keep on transmitting RTTY, and what went into the log was > indicated as RTTY, the K3 was working properly in RTTY and indicated it was > in Mode D FSK correctly. > #6- When I tried to use Diversity reception, the K3 would switch into > Diversity mode correctly. After a while, I would get a sudden total audio > loss and one of several DSE errors: E015555, E005555, 00C2C2, 003030. > #7- Turning the diversity OFF seemed to decrease the severity of > In all cases, power cycling the radio would clear the error and the audio > would be restored. > > I've tried reloading firmware, and it reloaded without a problem. Yes, I > power cycled the radio immediately after the firmware update was done. I > haven't tried downloading the firmware a second time from the web site, and > then reloading it into the radio but I suspect that may be the next thing > that I try. > > At this point, I'm open to suggestions. Thanks for input! > > Dennis W1UE > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From egan.dennis88 at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 14:14:00 2015 From: egan.dennis88 at gmail.com (Dennis) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:14:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Update: K3 Issues Since Synthesizer Upgrade In-Reply-To: <1F341A7B-299D-4963-87B0-8C1EBDAE54F4@elecraft.com> References: <560D6D9F.5040800@gmail.com> <1F341A7B-299D-4963-87B0-8C1EBDAE54F4@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <560D77E8.2050509@gmail.com> Wayne I've tried to reproduce #2 with no luck. It happened several times during the contest, but I couldn't draw any conclusions with what I was doing and the pops. I've played with the K3 for several hours after the contest but have not had the pops reoccur. #4 is easily reproduced. In SSB mode, activate the PTT. Push the REV key, and one of two things happens: if you keep the radio keyed, ERR PTT shows on VFO B until you unkey it, then its followed by ERR KEY. Happens with any key that doesn't function when you're transmitting. When it happened during the RTTY contest, the K3 would stop transmitting, ERR PTT would show for about 5 seconds, then followed by ERR KEY for about another 5 seconds. Then I could transmit again. Firmware 5.33 and 5.35 did it the same- currently using 5.35. For what I just did, the K3 was standing alone- there was no computer connection. Config:PTT-Key is off/off. When I received your email, I went out to confirm what I had already written. Now I find my K3 says "NO DVR" in response to pushing M1 to M4, while yesterday it worked perfectly. Not sure what is happening here. Dennis W1UE On 10/1/2015 1:53 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Dennis, > >> #2- I have heard a number of loud audio "pops" since the above changes. > Please email me directly with a description of how these pops can be produced, i.e. what controls you're using at the time. > > >> #4- During CQWW RTTY, if I was transmitting and pushed a key- say A/B, or Rev- transmitting stops, I get an "Error PTT" followed by an "Error Key" in the VFO B window for a few seconds each, then the radio clears itself. I can then resume transmitting. No audio loss while this is happening. > This shouldn't happen. I've been trying to reproduce it. Again, let me know exactly how the rig is set up and whether there's a way to consistently reproduce it. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Oct 1 14:19:19 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:19:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Update: K3 Issues Since Synthesizer Upgrade In-Reply-To: <560D77E8.2050509@gmail.com> References: <560D6D9F.5040800@gmail.com> <1F341A7B-299D-4963-87B0-8C1EBDAE54F4@elecraft.com> <560D77E8.2050509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9240445C-5382-4C61-A37F-324419D03B16@elecraft.com> OK, Dennis, I'll try to reproduce this. Wayne N6KR On Oct 1, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Dennis wrote: > Wayne > > I've tried to reproduce #2 with no luck. It happened several times during the contest, but I couldn't draw > any conclusions with what I was doing and the pops. I've played with the K3 for several hours after the > contest but have not had the pops reoccur. > > #4 is easily reproduced. In SSB mode, activate the PTT. Push the REV key, and one of two things happens: > if you keep the radio keyed, ERR PTT shows on VFO B until you unkey it, then its followed by ERR KEY?. From dave at nk7z.net Thu Oct 1 14:48:40 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:48:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Update: K3 Issues Since Synthesizer Upgrade In-Reply-To: <1F341A7B-299D-4963-87B0-8C1EBDAE54F4@elecraft.com> References: <560D6D9F.5040800@gmail.com> <1F341A7B-299D-4963-87B0-8C1EBDAE54F4@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1443725320.7495.0.camel@nostromo.nk7z> I got a few of the ERR KEY messages as well, I am unable to reproduce them as well... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2015-10-01 at 10:53 -0700, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > > #2- I have heard a number of loud audio "pops" since the above changes. > > Please email me directly with a description of how these pops can be produced, i.e. what controls you're using at the time. > > > > #4- During CQWW RTTY, if I was transmitting and pushed a key- say A/B, or Rev- transmitting stops, I get an "Error PTT" followed by an "Error Key" in the VFO B window for a few seconds each, then the radio clears itself. I can then resume transmitting. No audio loss while this is happening. > > This shouldn't happen. I've been trying to reproduce it. Again, let me know exactly how the rig is set up and whether there's a way to consistently reproduce it. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Oct 1 14:54:24 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:54:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The KSYN3A synth will always be available as a K3 upgrade Message-ID: <4901108B-65C7-4D62-8C30-F715214420E8@elecraft.com> Hi all, Just to put an end to any unfounded rumors: The KSYN3A will always be available for K3 upgrades. We use the same synth module in the K3S, and there is no end date. 73, Wayne N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Oct 1 15:04:01 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:04:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ACC2 In-Reply-To: <20151001111043.8a0b0ff08ab7bab48ba8ed31@k5dkz.com> References: <20150930142556.b1b5a4f5f264431e437f7eb2@k5dkz.com> <1ED8405F-865C-420B-B2CC-19851616072E@elecraft.com> <20150930184331.2129e3cdbff7834d94ebf921@k5dkz.com> <20151001111043.8a0b0ff08ab7bab48ba8ed31@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: Frank, I'm sorry to hear that the cables had to be replaced. This is very unusual. We have them custom made and they're supposed to be 100% tested. I'll get this feedback to our manufacturing supervisor. 73, Wayne N6KR On Oct 1, 2015, at 10:10 AM, bsusb wrote: > > I need to clarify some of my misconceptions about ACC2 and offer some unfortunate experience with the special cable package offered with the KXPA100 when integrating to the KX3. > > ...You might consider testing these special cable sets before shipping them. From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 1 15:18:33 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:18:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Proper Grounding In-Reply-To: <560D6D7B.2050705@flex.com> References: <1443458158.2639989.395595833.1C782243@webmail.messagingengine.com> <56097ACC.1010802@audiosystemsgroup.com> <396365CA-2072-43EA-BCB5-502E2B331749@carolinaheli.com> <2116959114.95863.1443693082548.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbe3.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net> <007b01d0fc4c$865a4000$930ec000$@net> <051b01d0fc5b$75606720$60213560$@carolinaheli.com> <560D6641.20703@audiosystemsgroup.com> <560D6D7B.2050705@flex.com> Message-ID: <056301d0fc7d$f7e3aff0$e7ab0fd0$@carolinaheli.com> Ouch Please discontinue this thread. I'll keep the rest of what I want to say to myself. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Merv Schweigert Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:30 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Proper Grounding This whole thread is quite amusing, no matter how much explanation takes place, people still believe a ground rod is RF ground . Then the poor guy with the problem who states "nothing has changed" admits he has not grounded the station gear yet. but it was before. Talk about a lot of posting for nothing. I hope some of you will at least read and learn, there has been some great info put forth in this thread, and from the replies one can tell that some still dont get it. Thanks to Jim and others who have the patience to keep going over and over the facts trying to educate. Hope some of it sinks in, 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 WH2XCR 10/1/2015 8:11 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote:: >> Part of my confusion is based on this being a commercial solution >> that didn't have a problem until recently. > > Buying "a commercial solution" seems to mean that you're assuming that > whoever is selling a product really understands how antennas work and > the shortcomings of the product they're selling, so you don't have to > understand it. Part of being a ham is taking the time to actually > learn how stuff works. I suggest that you study the links I posted > yesterday. They are both tutorial and practical. > >> Just >> have the trim and staining to finish for that. I'm also planning to >> run a dedicated power cable with heavier gauge wire to get a better >> ground at my station. Based on the TON of responses I've gotten I'll >> be running a heavy gauge THNN or similar from outside my station >> (where I'll add a ground rod) up to an antenna switch for grounding >> and bonding all of it together with the main ground on the other side >> of the house. I'm not sure how I'll NOT end up with a ground loop in >> this configuration. > > While a dedicated power line to your station is a good thing, there's > too much foggy thinking and false logic in what some have been telling > you to do. The earth is NOT a sump into which RFI is poured. Yes, you > should run a bonding cable from your station to a ground rod, BUT that > rod MUST be bonded to all other grounds for safety. What these two > measures can do for you is CONTROL where common mode current flows -- > it will flow on that new ground wire and that new dedicated power line > -- but that RF current will still RADIATE, and can be picked up by any > other wires in your home, like those in your home entertainment system. > > Caps added for emphasis. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > k9fd at flex.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From nniiss at yahoo.com Thu Oct 1 15:42:12 2015 From: nniiss at yahoo.com (Jack Hodges) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:42:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ACC2 In-Reply-To: References: <20150930142556.b1b5a4f5f264431e437f7eb2@k5dkz.com> <1ED8405F-865C-420B-B2CC-19851616072E@elecraft.com> <20150930184331.2129e3cdbff7834d94ebf921@k5dkz.com> <20151001111043.8a0b0ff08ab7bab48ba8ed31@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <27209FB9-2EF9-4D7E-B284-6A2C34A2FEE6@yahoo.com> Wow I am thoroughly amazed at the fact that any reseller is listening to their customer base. I feel fortunate and proud to own your products. N5NIS Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 1, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Frank, > > I'm sorry to hear that the cables had to be replaced. This is very unusual. We have them custom made and they're supposed to be 100% tested. I'll get this feedback to our manufacturing supervisor. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > >> On Oct 1, 2015, at 10:10 AM, bsusb wrote: >> >> >> I need to clarify some of my misconceptions about ACC2 and offer some unfortunate experience with the special cable package offered with the KXPA100 when integrating to the KX3. >> >> ...You might consider testing these special cable sets before shipping them. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nniiss at yahoo.com From eric at elecraft.com Thu Oct 1 15:47:19 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:47:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Proper Grounding In-Reply-To: <056301d0fc7d$f7e3aff0$e7ab0fd0$@carolinaheli.com> References: <1443458158.2639989.395595833.1C782243@webmail.messagingengine.com> <56097ACC.1010802@audiosystemsgroup.com> <396365CA-2072-43EA-BCB5-502E2B331749@carolinaheli.com> <2116959114.95863.1443693082548.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbe3.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net> <007b01d0fc4c$865a4000$930ec000$@net> <051b01d0fc5b$75606720$60213560$@carolinaheli.com> <560D6641.20703@audiosystemsgroup.com> <560D6D7B.2050705@flex.com> <056301d0fc7d$f7e3aff0$e7ab0fd0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <560D8DC7.1030404@elecraft.com> This thread was closed over 2 hours ago. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 10/1/2015 12:18 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > Ouch > > Please discontinue this thread. I'll keep the rest of what I want to say to > myself. > From widelitz at gte.net Thu Oct 1 15:58:55 2015 From: widelitz at gte.net (Ken Widelitz) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 12:58:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Problem Message-ID: <006001d0fc83$9d478610$d7d69230$@gte.net> My P3 can't seem to remember its firmware. When I turn it on, it looks right, but as soon as I press Ref Level, it goes into the P3 Boot Loader screen. I've reloaded the firmware (latest) 3 times and the same thing keeps happening. I have disconnected and reconnected the power cable to no avail. 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT From dave at nk7z.net Thu Oct 1 16:08:27 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 13:08:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The KSYN3A synth will always be available as a K3 upgrade In-Reply-To: <4901108B-65C7-4D62-8C30-F715214420E8@elecraft.com> References: <4901108B-65C7-4D62-8C30-F715214420E8@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1443730107.7495.4.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Wayne, THANK YOU! That mindset youhave is why I bought Elecraft! -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2015-10-01 at 11:54 -0700, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi all, > > Just to put an end to any unfounded rumors: The KSYN3A will always be available for K3 upgrades. We use the same synth module in the K3S, and there is no end date. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From dave at nk7z.net Thu Oct 1 16:11:19 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 13:11:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3 issue Message-ID: <1443730279.7495.7.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Perhaps I missed the answer to this... My SVGA external monitor shows signals about 1/2 to one S unit lower than my P3 does on the native screen... What am I missing? If I use Peak Hold, there is a clear 1/2 to one S-Unit difference in teh display height... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info From pauls at elecraft.com Thu Oct 1 16:36:22 2015 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 13:36:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3 issue In-Reply-To: <1443730279.7495.7.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <1443730279.7495.7.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <1443731782394-7608606.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi David, Check your inbox/spam folder, I emailed you directly on this. -Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-P3-issue-tp7608605p7608606.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bsusb at k5dkz.com Thu Oct 1 16:40:43 2015 From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bsusb) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:40:43 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] ACC2 In-Reply-To: References: <20150930142556.b1b5a4f5f264431e437f7eb2@k5dkz.com> <1ED8405F-865C-420B-B2CC-19851616072E@elecraft.com> <20150930184331.2129e3cdbff7834d94ebf921@k5dkz.com> <20151001111043.8a0b0ff08ab7bab48ba8ed31@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <20151001144043.b1b2b2d87a5d8133f99c7abb@k5dkz.com> Wayne, Thanks. Your radio products are too good in quality and performance to get undeserved black eyes from faulty cable sets. Could very well have been a one-off. On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:04:01 -0700 Wayne Burdick wrote: > Frank, > > I'm sorry to hear that the cables had to be replaced. This is very unusual. We have them custom made and they're supposed to be 100% tested. I'll get this feedback to our manufacturing supervisor. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Oct 1, 2015, at 10:10 AM, bsusb wrote: > > > > > I need to clarify some of my misconceptions about ACC2 and offer some unfortunate experience with the special cable package offered with the KXPA100 when integrating to the KX3. > > > > ...You might consider testing these special cable sets before shipping them. > > > -- bsusb From pauls at elecraft.com Thu Oct 1 16:41:23 2015 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 13:41:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Problem In-Reply-To: <006001d0fc83$9d478610$d7d69230$@gte.net> References: <006001d0fc83$9d478610$d7d69230$@gte.net> Message-ID: <1443732083380-7608607.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Ken, A 'parameter reset' should solve the problem. Hold down the MENU button while pressing the POWER button. This will reinitialize all the parameters to their default values. 73, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Problem-tp7608603p7608607.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dlrguess at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 17:04:52 2015 From: dlrguess at gmail.com (Jerry Wright) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:04:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: P3 Problem References: <1443732083380-7608607.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <52451592-C401-4781-8699-748BFA86DF6E@gmail.com> Sent from Jerry's iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Paul Saffren N6HZ > Date: October 1, 2015 at 1:41:23 PM PDT > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Problem > > Hi Ken, > > A 'parameter reset' should solve the problem. Hold down the MENU button > while pressing the POWER button. This will reinitialize all the parameters > to their default values. > > 73, > > Paul > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Problem-tp7608603p7608607.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dlrguess at gmail.com From dave at nk7z.net Thu Oct 1 17:49:04 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 14:49:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3 issue In-Reply-To: <1443731782394-7608606.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1443730279.7495.7.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <1443731782394-7608606.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1443736144.7495.8.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Nothing, but THANK YOU... Can you remail me please... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2015-10-01 at 13:36 -0700, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote: > Hi David, > > Check your inbox/spam folder, I emailed you directly on this. > > -Paul > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-P3-issue-tp7608605p7608606.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From fcady at montana.edu Thu Oct 1 18:11:43 2015 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 22:11:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Fault In-Reply-To: <1443713578777-7608580.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1443656231410-7608563.post@n2.nabble.com>, <1443713578777-7608580.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Dave, I don't have the full context of your note but here is some information that may help: 3.9.5 Tuner Fault Conditions The FAULT LED being lit does not mean there is an equipment failure to cause you concern. Rather, it indicates a condition that you should correct. A fault will occur, and the FAULT LED will light under the following conditions: ? If the RF drive power exceeds 110 watts during a tune operation. This can happen if your amplifier outputs more than 110 watts and the KAT500 does not interrupt the keying line while it is tuning. You should be using a K3?KPA Cable as shown in Figure 3 4 or a separate keying line cable as shown in Figure 3 3. Note that the KAT500 will not open the keying line if the power input to the tuner is greater than 30 watts unless you have configured it as shown in Section 3.8. ? The VSWR of the antenna is higher than the configured Amplifier Key Interrupt VSWR Threshold and the red FAULT LED illuminates. If this occurs, the amplifier?s keying line is interrupted. This fault may occur frequently while the tuner is tuning and will be cleared automatically when the tuner is finished and a transmission occurs where the VSWR is about 10% lower than the threshold. If the fault persists, press any KAT500 key, change bands, antenna or KAT500 mode, or fix the antenna problem and transmit again. Because this fault may occur frequently, and normally, when tuning, it is not written into the fault log. ? The impedance is outside the normal tuning range (see Table 3.1) but the KAT500 is able to match it. In this case, you should reduce the power as needed to protect the KAT500. To reset a fault, tap the TUNE switch or switch the power off and then on by holding the MODE switch. 73, Fred KE7X Author of: "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Portable Elecraft KX3 ? Going for the Summit with the KX3 and KX3-2M/4M" ?The Elecraft KX-Line ? The Complete Station? ?The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 ? the K-Line Dream Station? Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners ?The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters ? Assembling the KX3-Line Station? available at www.lulu.com. ?The Elecraft K3S and P3 ? Getting the Most out from Your High Performance Station? coming very soon. A book dedicated to the K3S upgrades for the K3 and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book are works in progress. ________________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of dave_w0ru Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 9:32 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Fault dave_w0ru wrote > With the * > KAT500 * > in Standby, I can tune with the KAT500 just fine. That should read: With the *KPA500* in Standby, Dave w0ru -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KAT500-Fault-tp7608563p7608580.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From n1al at sonic.net Thu Oct 1 18:43:41 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:43:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3 issue In-Reply-To: <1443730279.7495.7.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <1443730279.7495.7.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <560DB71D.8090100@sonic.net> For a continuous CW tone, the level should be the same on the P3 and the external monitor. For SSB, the SVGA display should read 1/2 S-unit lower. The reason is that, unlike CW, an SSB signal is spread out in frequency. Since the SVGA monitor has twice the frequency resolution than the P3 main screen, each display point only covers half the bandwidth. So you would expect it to read 3 dB lower (half the power), which is half an S unit. Alan N1AL On 10/01/2015 01:11 PM, David Cole wrote: > Perhaps I missed the answer to this... > > My SVGA external monitor shows signals about 1/2 to one S unit lower > than my P3 does on the native screen... What am I missing? > > If I use Peak Hold, there is a clear 1/2 to one S-Unit difference in teh > display height... > From tjpost at traditional-jazz.com Thu Oct 1 19:19:40 2015 From: tjpost at traditional-jazz.com (john petters) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 00:19:40 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange K3 microphone /PTT fault Message-ID: <560DBF8C.1020907@traditional-jazz.com> Greetings folks, I'm puzzled. my 7 year old K3 did two strange things this evening. During a CW QSO on 21MHz, it appeared not to go back into receive and required power off and on to operate. The QSO finished. Then, in the middle of a USB QSO on 5MHz - mid transmission, it went back to receive and the PTT would not go back to TX, nor did the Vox work. I can operate the PTT on the back socket of the rig, and by grounding pin 2 on the 8 pin mic connector. On measuring the pins 7 & 8, which should go to ground, these seem to be floating and not grounded. I've just looked at the circuit and it shows these pins going to ground. Any suggestions? 73 -- John Petters Amateur Radio Station G3YPZ www.traditional-jazz.com From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Thu Oct 1 19:29:16 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:29:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange K3 microphone /PTT fault In-Reply-To: <560DBF8C.1020907@traditional-jazz.com> References: <560DBF8C.1020907@traditional-jazz.com> Message-ID: <59gr0bhhvgihb7jtb8c2dtiqe7j2v3o1e0@4ax.com> Hi John, If it were me, I'd reseat the front panel assembly to the RF board. I had to do this many moons ago (like 8 years...) one time and it fixed the problem. The only guess I have for what's wrong is some minor corrosion on on some of the front panel pins. John, I hope this does it for you. Can't think of anything else. 73! matt W6NIA On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 00:19:40 +0100, you wrote: >Greetings folks, >I'm puzzled. my 7 year old K3 did two strange things this evening. > >During a CW QSO on 21MHz, it appeared not to go back into receive and >required power off and on to operate. The QSO finished. > >Then, in the middle of a USB QSO on 5MHz - mid transmission, it went >back to receive and the PTT would not go back to TX, nor did the Vox work. > >I can operate the PTT on the back socket of the rig, and by grounding >pin 2 on the 8 pin mic connector. > >On measuring the pins 7 & 8, which should go to ground, these seem to be >floating and not grounded. > >I've just looked at the circuit and it shows these pins going to ground. > >Any suggestions? > >73 Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 20:04:36 2015 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 17:04:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange K3 microphone /PTT fault In-Reply-To: <59gr0bhhvgihb7jtb8c2dtiqe7j2v3o1e0@4ax.com> References: <560DBF8C.1020907@traditional-jazz.com> <59gr0bhhvgihb7jtb8c2dtiqe7j2v3o1e0@4ax.com> Message-ID: <560DCA14.20806@gmail.com> If Pins 7 and 8 are connected together (verify with ohm meter) but not connected to the mic jack shell, you may wish to remove the front panel assembly and look just above the Mic Jack at a component labeled "L4". It should be a short. If it is broken, or other than a short, replace it with a short length of wire to jumper it, or otherwise jumper pins 7 and 8 to ground nearby. K3 product produced starting sometime in 2012 did not have this component; earlier ones did and required the jumper. 73, Lyle KK7P ... I can operate the PTT on the back socket of the rig, and by grounding pin 2 on the 8 pin mic connector. On measuring the pins 7 & 8, which should go to ground, these seem to be floating and not grounded. I've just looked at the circuit and it shows these pins going to ground. Any suggestions? From dkent53 at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 22:47:24 2015 From: dkent53 at gmail.com (dave_w0ru) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 19:47:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Fault In-Reply-To: References: <1443656231410-7608563.post@n2.nabble.com> <1443713578777-7608580.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1443754044958-7608616.post@n2.nabble.com> Fred, I am now trying the KAT500 output going to a dummy load. When the K3 is set at about 22 watts out, the KPA500 shows 440 Watts out. When I use the Tune feature on the K3 with Manual Tune feature on the KAT500, there is no fault. However, when I send with the K3 keyer and with Manual Tune on the KAT500, I get a fault on the KAT500. Using the KAT500 utility, I find Fault Code 03 - VFWD above relay hotswitch limit - VFWD 1551 VRFL 0 SWR 1.00 SWRB 1.00. Is the moral of the story to use the K3 Tune control, not the K3 keyer? 73 de Dave w0ru -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KAT500-Fault-tp7608563p7608616.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ve2pid at videotron.ca Fri Oct 2 00:41:46 2015 From: ve2pid at videotron.ca (Pierre) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 00:41:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXBC3 Clock accuracy Message-ID: Hi to all The accuracy of the KXBC3 clock is at best marginal ... But ... Looking at the schematic of the KXBC3, the real time clock seems to be a part of chip PIC24F16KA10. And a reference to that chip says this: 29.3.9 Calibration The real-time crystal input can be calibrated using the periodic auto-adjust feature. When properly calibrated, the RTCC can provide an error of less than 3 seconds per month. This is accomplished by finding the number of error clock pulses and storing the value into the lower half of the RCFGCAL register. The 8-bit signed value loaded into the lower half of RCFGCAL is multiplied by four and will be either added or subtracted from the RTCC timer, once every minute. Refer to the steps below for RTCC calibration (Reference: http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/39696b.pdf ) So I wonder if some calibration could be done via a software mod. My KXBC3 clock gain about 15 seconds per week ... far away from 3 seconds per month ... ?? 73 de Pierre VE2PID -- Utilisant le logiciel de courrier d'Opera : http://www.opera.com/mail/ From wc29501 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 2 00:51:43 2015 From: wc29501 at yahoo.com (way235) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 21:51:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 mic cmp settings with kenwood mc-43s mic Message-ID: <1443761503199-7608618.post@n2.nabble.com> I got distortion complaints of my SSB audio. I am using a Kenwood MC-43s and had the settings at MIC 13 and CMP 30 when I got the complaints. While talking on the air I changed to MIC 11 and CMP 3 and was told it sounds good now. I would like to know what setting others are using but only with the MC-43s mic. I am also using a signalink USB plugged into the rear line input but I am not sure if that makes any difference. Thanks Wayne -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-mic-cmp-settings-with-kenwood-mc-43s-mic-tp7608618.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Oct 2 01:54:48 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 22:54:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Update: K3 Issues Since Synthesizer Upgrade In-Reply-To: <560D77E8.2050509@gmail.com> References: <560D6D9F.5040800@gmail.com> <1F341A7B-299D-4963-87B0-8C1EBDAE54F4@elecraft.com> <560D77E8.2050509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <62CAFD39-AC04-43EA-881C-A3E2F795F6F6@elecraft.com> > #4 is easily reproduced. In SSB mode, activate the PTT. Push the REV key, and one of two things happens: > if you keep the radio keyed, ERR PTT shows on VFO B until you unkey it, then its followed by ERR KEY. > Happens with any key that doesn't function when you're transmitting. When it happened during the RTTY contest, > the K3 would stop transmitting, ERR PTT would show for about 5 seconds, then followed by ERR KEY for > about another 5 seconds. Then I could transmit again. Dennis, This was indeed a bug. Thanks for catching it. These error messages (ERR PTT/ERR KEY) were only intended to appear in the case where PTT-KEY via a PC is in use, and the operator is trying to escape such keying by tapping the XMIT switch (one way to exit transmit). While an error message is displayed, the user can even go into the menu and turn off PTT-KEY if necessary. If this makes the error message disappear, then you know your PC is what was keying the rig. The fix will be in the next K3/K3S firmware release. 73, Wayne N6KR From dick at elecraft.com Fri Oct 2 02:10:12 2015 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 08:10:12 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Fault In-Reply-To: <1443754044958-7608616.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1443656231410-7608563.post@n2.nabble.com> <1443713578777-7608580.post@n2.nabble.com> <1443754044958-7608616.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8436308F-7E69-440C-9A2A-6A0AED481AA8@elecraft.com> Sounds like the amplifier key line is not connected thru the KAT500. The ATU must be able to break the amp key line during tuning and all other ATU relay transitions. Dick, K6KR Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 2, 2015, at 04:47, dave_w0ru wrote: > > Fred, > I am now trying the KAT500 output going to a dummy load. When the K3 is set > at about 22 watts out, the KPA500 shows 440 Watts out. When I use the Tune > feature on the K3 with Manual Tune feature on the KAT500, there is no fault. > However, when I send with the K3 keyer and with Manual Tune on the KAT500, > I get a fault on the KAT500. Using the KAT500 utility, I find Fault Code 03 > - VFWD above relay hotswitch limit - VFWD 1551 VRFL 0 SWR 1.00 SWRB 1.00. Is > the moral of the story to use the K3 Tune control, not the K3 keyer? > > 73 de Dave w0ru > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KAT500-Fault-tp7608563p7608616.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Oct 2 02:15:10 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 23:15:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 mic cmp settings with kenwood mc-43s mic In-Reply-To: <1443761503199-7608618.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1443761503199-7608618.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <560E20EE.9050800@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,10/1/2015 9:51 PM, way235 wrote: > I am using a Kenwood MC-43s and had the settings at MIC 13 and CMP 30 when I got the complaints. > While talking on the air I changed to MIC 11 and CMP 3 and was told it sounds good now. You're looking at the wrong indicators. Don't look at the numerical values of MIC and CMP, look at the indications of COMP on the meters as you talk. Your results suggest that the mic you're using is pretty hot, so you want to set MIC GAIN to Low in the Menu, then follow instructions in the Manual for setting Mic Gain and COMP. When setting COMP, watch COMP on the meter, and adjust the CMP pot so that you see no more than 10 dB COMP peaks on the meter. 73, Jim K9YC From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 02:29:04 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:29:04 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 buglet Message-ID: <2EFA09F9-7FBC-41E6-97B1-7F8FB8E3AF90@gmail.com> I have noticed this before, but it is so inconsistent that I hesitated to report it. Sometimes I notice a much higher SWR reported on my K3 than shown on an external meter when the KAT3 is bypassed. If I activate the KAT3, allow it to tune, and then go back to BYP, the readings agree. I realize that this won't be a problem with the K3S, but thought it was worth mentioning. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk Fri Oct 2 02:43:29 2015 From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David G4DMP) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 07:43:29 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3 issue In-Reply-To: <560DB71D.8090100@sonic.net> References: <1443730279.7495.7.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <560DB71D.8090100@sonic.net> Message-ID: In a recent message, Alan writes >So you would expect it to read 3 dB lower (half the power), which is >half an S unit. This is something that has always puzzled me, Alan. I agree that -3dB is half the power (in watts), but S-meter calibration is related to (micro)voltage. It is often assumed that doubling ones power increases the signal at the receiving end by one S-point. But what is the technical explanation of this? 73 David G4DMP -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From w0wfh at yahoo.com Fri Oct 2 03:50:27 2015 From: w0wfh at yahoo.com (W0WFH Bill) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 07:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FS Loaded K2/100 with KAT 100 Antenna Tuner Message-ID: <880871410.139114.1443772227895.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> LoadedElecraft K2/100 with KAT 100 Auto Antenna TunerOptions: 100 watt amplifier and RS 232 IO KSB2SSB ADAPTER K60XV-MAND TRANSVERTER ADAPTER KNB2NOISE BLANKER KAF2AUDIO FILTER AND REAL TIME CLOCK K160RX160 METER MODULE WITH RX ANTENNA SWITCH. MH2HAND MIC TOPCOVER WITH BATTERY FOR QRP (CONDITION OF BATTERY UNKNOWN) ALLMANUALS $1295.00PLUS SHIPPING or make me an offer. I take Paypal. Reason for selling Just not using. It too nice a radio to just collect dust. Thanks for lookingBill Hudson W0WFH1706 Hwy CCLinn, Mo.65051w0wfh at yahoo.com573-291-5625 From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 04:58:57 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 04:58:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3 issue In-Reply-To: References: <1443730279.7495.7.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <560DB71D.8090100@sonic.net> Message-ID: 3 dB? I've seen an S unit described as 6 dB -- double the *voltage*, or four times the power. Or in recent years some radios do 5 dB -- keep a linear string of LED's where over S9 is in 5 dB increments and below S9 is in 5 dB S units. Your assertion is the first time I have ever heard an S unit described as 3 dB. But to be truthful, there is no metric system authority that sets an S unit. There are recomendations from radio organizations, all stating 6 dB. To see S units way back in the beginning, here is a photo of the front of a 1936 RME-69 receiver. http://www.virhistory.com/ham/spkrs/RME_007.jpg If you look at the meter labeled "Carrier Level Indicator," below the scale marks you will see S1 through S9. Above the scale marks you will see dB, originally spelled DB, from 0 to 72, in 6 dB steps. The S1 through S9 use the same marks as 0 through 48 on the dB scale. S1=0dB, S2=6dB, ... S9=48dB. Very clearly S units on this pre-WW2 classic radio are 6 dB. This predates a 1939 National HRO receiver manual that explains S-units as 6 dB. So history says S units are 6 dB, with each S unit a doubling of the voltage of the prior S unit. An earlier version of the signal strength meter on the RME-69 was calibrated in dB on one side of the scale and microvolts on the other, without S units. Most S meters are notoriously inaccurate and might not tell you any more than signal A is louder than signal B. Whether the RME-69 could function as a frequency selective microvolt meter with a decent degree of accuracy is anyone's guess. I suspect that they could not make the old tube circuits and the manufacturing tolerances actually match a microvolt scale across manufactured units, and so they went relative with S units. Everything you never wanted to know about an S-unit. :>) 73, Guy K2AV On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 2:43 AM, David G4DMP wrote: > In a recent message, Alan writes > >> So you would expect it to read 3 dB lower (half the power), which is half >> an S unit. >> > > This is something that has always puzzled me, Alan. I agree that -3dB is > half the power (in watts), but S-meter calibration is related to > (micro)voltage. It is often assumed that doubling ones power increases > the signal at the receiving end by one S-point. But what is the technical > explanation of this? > > 73 > > David G4DMP > > -- > + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + > | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | > | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | > + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From andw at bigpond.com Fri Oct 2 06:04:17 2015 From: andw at bigpond.com (andrew) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 20:04:17 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Band-Pass Filter Trimcap values Message-ID: <20151002100417.49SP3.55387.root@nschwwebs04p> During initial build I didn't have a signal generator and wasn't happy with the band-pass filter alignment for the 12m and 17m bands which use trimcaps. Revisiting the alignment with a newly acquired signal generator I found I couldn't get a correct adjustment and removed C46 - it's maximum value is 66pF when it should be approx 30pF. I removed C32, C34 and C44 and all have a max of approx 66pF. I also checked C21 and C23 which are correct with a maximum of 50pF. (and different physical construction with Red mark) Before I make replacements I would like to confirm that the correct values should be: C21, C23 = max 50pF C32, C34, C44, C46 = max 30pF Many thanks Andrew VK6WAX From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 08:18:32 2015 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:18:32 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback Message-ID: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> Hello I will appreciate feedback from users of the SS30DV power supply with a K3 Are you happy with it? With full power on the K3, the SS30DV is running comfortable? IS noisy? If you compare for example with a Samlex SEC-1235M, what do you think? Thanks very much 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Oct 2 08:28:07 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 08:28:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Band-Pass Filter Trimcap values In-Reply-To: <20151002100417.49SP3.55387.root@nschwwebs04p> References: <20151002100417.49SP3.55387.root@nschwwebs04p> Message-ID: <560E7857.1080807@embarqmail.com> Andrew, C21 and C23 are good with the ceramic capacitors with the red dot - use those supplied with your kit. C32 and C34 need approximately 25 pF to tune, and your current brown trimmers should do the job nicely. For C44 and C46 the capacity needed is approximately 10 pF (the brown body trimmers will *not* work). The trimmers currently being supplied for use at C44 and C46 are PN E540011 and have a red body. If you ordered your K2 in the last quarter of 2014 the kit was supplied with 4 brown bodied trimmer capacitors (that was corrected in December), which were supposed to have a minimum capacity of 6pF but the actual minimum capacity is more like 20pF. I don't know if the manufacturer had an incorrect value on the data sheet, or what happened, but the actual range of those brown trimmers is nominally 20 to 60pF. So bottom line, the brown trimmers will work fine at C32 and C34 and are what is currently being supplied in new kits. The trimmers now being used for C44 and C46 are PN E540011 and have a red body. You can request those from parts (at) elecraft.com. If you want to procure trimmers locally, and you can fine 5-30pF trimmers, they will work, but watch the minimum capacitance of anything you substitute, particularly for C44 and C46. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/2/2015 6:04 AM, andrew wrote: > During initial build I didn't have a signal generator and wasn't happy with the band-pass filter alignment for the 12m and 17m bands which use trimcaps. > Revisiting the alignment with a newly acquired signal generator I found I couldn't get a correct adjustment and removed C46 - it's maximum value is 66pF when it should be approx 30pF. > I removed C32, C34 and C44 and all have a max of approx 66pF. I also checked C21 and C23 which are correct with a maximum of 50pF. (and different physical construction with Red mark) > Before I make replacements I would like to confirm that the correct values should be: > > C21, C23 = max 50pF > C32, C34, C44, C46 = max 30pF > > From rodenkirch_llc at msn.com Fri Oct 2 08:51:47 2015 From: rodenkirch_llc at msn.com (James Rodenkirch) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 06:51:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] 2015 Oceania DX Contest - 3/4 October (PHONE) and 10/11 October (CW) In-Reply-To: <998C24B1A81A4A88A22CF58DC5F10B5A@miller4> References: <998C24B1A81A4A88A22CF58DC5F10B5A@miller4> Message-ID: I entered the CW contest last year and enjoyed the challenge of working OC entrants with QRP power -- they added a QRP category in 2014 so, if time permits, get on and participate.....72 de Jim R. K9JWV From: info at oceaniadxcontest.com To: info at oceaniadxcontest.com CC: Oceaniacom at yahoogroups.com Subject: 2015 Oceania DX Contest - 3/4 October (PHONE) and 10/11 October (CW) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 13:17:47 +1000 Dear entrant in the 2014 OCDX contest A reminder that the 2015 Oceania DX contest (OCDX) is running over the next two weekends. As always, this will be a great opportunity to work a lot of DX stations in the Oceania region, as well as giving your station a test drive for the new contest season and CQ WW contest events later in the year. We are expecting another good turn out from VK, ZL and YB stations, as well as stations from some of the rarer Pacific entities. Hopefully you will be able to join us again and let's see see if we can make it the biggest and best Oceania DX contest party ever! Anything you can do to publicise the contest and encourage other contesters and DXers to get on the air in the 2015 OCDX contest would also be greatly appreciated. More information about the 2015 contest is provided below. We look forward to seeing you in the pileups! 73 Brian Miller VK3MI ZL1AZE Chair of OCDX Contest Committee ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2015 OCEANIA DX (OCDX) CONTEST The main aim of the contest is to promote HF contacts with stations in the Oceania region. Oceania stations can work other Oceania and non-Oceania stations. Non-Oceania stations can only work Oceania stations. We are pleased to announce that the 2015 contest includes two new plaques aimed at Indonesian entrants - Karsono Suyanto YB0NDT is sponsoring a plaque for the highest scoring entrant from Indonesia in the PHONE Single Operator All Band category, and the YB Land DX Club is sponsoring a plaque for the highest scoring entrant from INDONESIA with a General Licence (YD/YG prefix) in the PHONE Single Operator 40M Band category The OCDX Contest Committee is sad to report the passing of Mirek Rozbicki VK6DXI earlier this year. Mirek was the sponsor of the Frank Vander Drift VK3COF Memorial Plaque that was awarded to the highest scoring station from Europe in the CW Single Operator ALL Band category. Slawek Barciuk VK3CTN has kindly offered to pick up the ongoing sponsorship of this plaque. This will now be known as the VK6DXI Memorial Plaque - in recognition and memory of Mirek?s significant contribution to the OCDX contest and amateur radio contesting more generally. Here is an abbreviated summary of the rules for the 2015 contest: PHONE: 08:00 UTC Saturday 3 October to 08:00 UTC Sunday 4 October CW: 08:00 UTC Saturday 10 October to 08:00 UTC Sunday 11 October Bands: 160M to 10M (excluding WARC bands). Exchange: RS(T) + serial number. QSO points: 20 points per QSO on 160M; 10 points on 80M; 5 points on 40M; 1 point on 20M; 2 points on 15M; and 3 points on 10M. Final Score: The sum of the QSO points multiplied by the number of prefixes worked (the same prefix can be counted once on each band). Entry Categories: Single Operator All Band QRP (max 5W) Single Operator All Band Low Power (max 100W) Single Operator All Band High Power Single Operator Single Band QRP (max 5W) Single Operator Single Band Low Power (max 100W) Single Operator Single Band High Power M1 - Multiple Operators and Single Transmitter (only one transmitted signal at any time) M2 - Multiple Operators and Two Transmitters (no more than two transmitted signals at any time and on different bands) MM - Multiple Operators and Multiple Transmitters (no more than one transmitted signal at any time on each band) Shortwave Listener (receive only) All Band Trophies and plaques will be awarded as listed on the web site at http://www.oceaniadxcontest.com/trophies.htm. Certificates will be awarded to the winning stations in each of the categories above - for each continent and country. A participation certificate will also be awarded to every station that makes at least one valid QSO. Log Submission Deadline: All logs must be emailed (or postmarked) NO LATER than 31 October 2015. Logs are to be sent as an e-mail attachment to ph at oceaniadxcontest.com (for PHONE entries) or cw at oceaniadxcontest.com (for CW entries). More information about the contest, including the detailed rules, is available from the Oceania DX Contest web site at http://www.oceaniadxcontest.com . 73 Oceania DX Contest Committee VK3MI/ZL1AZE, ZL2IFB, ZL3GA, VK3TZ, VK4FH From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Oct 2 09:29:46 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 13:29:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Band-Pass Filter Trimcap values Message-ID: Don ? I have just had a back-and-forth with Elecraft Parts about the same question. The K2 Manual, dated March 2012, lists for C44, C46, C32, and C34 trimmers p/n E540001, 5-30pF. However, Revision I-3 dated September 1, 2015, lists for C32 and C34 p/n E540002, 10-50 pF; and for C44 and C46, p/n E540001, 5-30 pF. What I received in a kit ordered on Sept. 7 was apparently what the I-3 Revision called for - there were two white ceramic and two bright red plastic trimmers, with no markings on either to say which was which. When I inquired, Parts told me (two days ago) that the red plastic trimmers were p/n E540001, and that (here?s the quote), "we'll send the 4 E540002 trimmers. The E540001 trimmers are obsolete and you can use the E540002 trimmers in place of them.? Taking this together with your note leaves me wondering . . . Help? As an aside, the C21 and C23 values are listed in both the Manual and the Revision as p/n 540000, 8-50 pF. Ted, KN1CBR >Message: 29 >Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 08:28:07 -0400 >From: Don Wilhelm >To: andrew , elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Band-Pass Filter Trimcap values >Message-ID: <560E7857.1080807 at embarqmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >Andrew, > >C21 and C23 are good with the ceramic capacitors with the red dot - use >those supplied with your kit. >C32 and C34 need approximately 25 pF to tune, and your current brown >trimmers should do the job nicely. >For C44 and C46 the capacity needed is approximately 10 pF (the brown >body trimmers will *not* work). >The trimmers currently being supplied for use at C44 and C46 are PN >E540011 and have a red body. > >If you ordered your K2 in the last quarter of 2014 the kit was supplied >with 4 brown bodied trimmer capacitors (that was corrected in >December), which were supposed to have a minimum capacity of 6pF but >the actual minimum capacity is more like 20pF. I don't know if the >manufacturer had an incorrect value on the data sheet, or what happened, >but the actual range of those brown trimmers is nominally 20 to 60pF. > >So bottom line, the brown trimmers will work fine at C32 and C34 and are >what is currently being supplied in new kits. >The trimmers now being used for C44 and C46 are PN E540011 and have a >red body. You can request those from parts (at) elecraft.com. > >If you want to procure trimmers locally, and you can fine 5-30pF >trimmers, they will work, but watch the minimum capacitance of anything >you substitute, particularly for C44 and C46. > >73, >Don W3FPR > > >On 10/2/2015 6:04 AM, andrew wrote: >> During initial build I didn't have a signal generator and wasn't happy >>with the band-pass filter alignment for the 12m and 17m bands which use >>trimcaps. >> Revisiting the alignment with a newly acquired signal generator I found >>I couldn't get a correct adjustment and removed C46 - it's maximum value >>is 66pF when it should be approx 30pF. >> I removed C32, C34 and C44 and all have a max of approx 66pF. I also >>checked C21 and C23 which are correct with a maximum of 50pF. (and >>different physical construction with Red mark) >> Before I make replacements I would like to confirm that the correct >>values should be: >> >> C21, C23 = max 50pF >> C32, C34, C44, C46 = max 30pF >> >**************************************** From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Fri Oct 2 10:32:15 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 10:32:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> References: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <067b01d0fd1f$2320a5a0$6961f0e0$@carolinaheli.com> I just got mine with my K3S and haven?t even noticed it other than the power lamp being on. No issues or power drops at full power out. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 8:19 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback Hello I will appreciate feedback from users of the SS30DV power supply with a K3 Are you happy with it? With full power on the K3, the SS30DV is running comfortable? IS noisy? If you compare for example with a Samlex SEC-1235M, what do you think? Thanks very much 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Fri Oct 2 11:13:03 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 08:13:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> References: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Jorge, I have both power supplies here - SS30DV and the Samlex SEC1235M. Except for the 1235 having voltage and current meters (the SS30 does not), there is little difference in performance. One thing that might affect your decision is that the 1235 has an (internally) adjustable output voltage. The SS30DV is fixed at 14.1V. I run full power with a K3 and with a KX3/KXPA100 with either power supply, and no isssues found with either one. 73, matt W6NIA On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:18:32 -0300, you wrote: >Hello > > > >I will appreciate feedback from users of the SS30DV power supply with a K3 > > > >Are you happy with it? With full power on the K3, the SS30DV is running >comfortable? IS noisy? > > > >If you compare for example with a Samlex SEC-1235M, what do you think? > > > >Thanks very much > > > >73, > >Jorge > >CX6VM/CW5W > > > >--- >El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 11:33:26 2015 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 12:33:26 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: References: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> Hello Matt Thanks for the Info. I have two SEC-1235M and I hate the terminal screws, I think they are aluminum and I broke them if removing power cable too much times I prefer a PS with black and red connectors so I can connect any cable and don?t worry about connectors. Thanks! Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Matt Zilmer [mailto:mzilmer at roadrunner.com] Enviado el: viernes, 02 de octubre de 2015 12:13 p.m. Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback Hi Jorge, I have both power supplies here - SS30DV and the Samlex SEC1235M. Except for the 1235 having voltage and current meters (the SS30 does not), there is little difference in performance. One thing that might affect your decision is that the 1235 has an (internally) adjustable output voltage. The SS30DV is fixed at 14.1V. I run full power with a K3 and with a KX3/KXPA100 with either power supply, and no isssues found with either one. 73, matt W6NIA On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:18:32 -0300, you wrote: >Hello > > > >I will appreciate feedback from users of the SS30DV power supply with a >K3 > > > >Are you happy with it? With full power on the K3, the SS30DV is >running comfortable? IS noisy? > > > >If you compare for example with a Samlex SEC-1235M, what do you think? > > > >Thanks very much > > > >73, > >Jorge > >CX6VM/CW5W > > > >--- >El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Fri Oct 2 11:46:40 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 08:46:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> References: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I didn't much like the Euro-style clamping terminals either. I built a short pigtail to 30A APP, and just leave the terminals alone. They're not robust enough for constant plugging in/out. The Samlex here is powered 100% of the time. Its output goes to a solar charge controller used to maintain SOC on an Optima 75 AH battery. The charge controller has two inputs, and the other one is connected to 100W of solar PV on the roof. All the power terminations in this setup are APP. The SS30DV has two APP terminations on the front of the unit, and a 1/4" / banana lab-style termination on the rear. You might like this arrangement better than the Samlex. Elecraft sells the SS30DV too. 73, matt W6NIA On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 12:33:26 -0300, you wrote: >Hello Matt > >Thanks for the Info. > >I have two SEC-1235M and I hate the terminal screws, I think they are >aluminum and I broke them if removing power cable too much times > >I prefer a PS with black and red connectors so I can connect any cable and >don?t worry about connectors. > >Thanks! >Jorge >CX6VM/CW5W > >-----Mensaje original----- >De: Matt Zilmer [mailto:mzilmer at roadrunner.com] >Enviado el: viernes, 02 de octubre de 2015 12:13 p.m. >Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM >CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback > >Hi Jorge, > >I have both power supplies here - SS30DV and the Samlex SEC1235M. > >Except for the 1235 having voltage and current meters (the SS30 does not), >there is little difference in performance. One thing that might affect your >decision is that the 1235 has an (internally) adjustable output voltage. >The SS30DV is fixed at 14.1V. > >I run full power with a K3 and with a KX3/KXPA100 with either power supply, >and no isssues found with either one. > >73, >matt >W6NIA > >On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:18:32 -0300, you wrote: > >>Hello >> >> >> >>I will appreciate feedback from users of the SS30DV power supply with a >>K3 >> >> >> >>Are you happy with it? With full power on the K3, the SS30DV is >>running comfortable? IS noisy? >> >> >> >>If you compare for example with a Samlex SEC-1235M, what do you think? >> >> >> >>Thanks very much >> >> >> >>73, >> >>Jorge >> >>CX6VM/CW5W >> >> >> >>--- >>El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en >busca de virus. >>https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>mzilmer at roadrunner.com >Matt Zilmer, W6NIA Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein From rstealey at hotmail.com Fri Oct 2 11:50:21 2015 From: rstealey at hotmail.com (Rick Stealey) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 15:50:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> References: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com>, , <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: We had spurs all over the 80 meter band here on the K3S station that is being run as a remote, approximately 30 khz apart. The main station 50 ft away (but on different antennas spaced 100 feet) had no noise. At first we suspected the OCF dipole, then the networking boxes, then the laptop. Put a gelcel in place of the PS and voila!So it was the SS30 PS. 5 turns of the K3 power cord around a type 31 2.4 inch diameter toroid took all the noise right out. Rick K2XT From lists at subich.com Fri Oct 2 11:53:35 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:53:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> References: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <560EA87F.5000504@subich.com> > I prefer a PS with black and red connectors so I can connect any > cable and don?t worry about connectors. Quality *bolt* terminals will generally show less voltage drop in transmit than the wiping contacts like PowerPole connectors. That is particularly true when the PowerPoles are not assembled correctly and there is less than full pressure between the wiping contacts. I would prefer any power supply and transceiver with greater than 5A current rating use 1/4" or 3/8" stub bolted connections like the Astron RS-35A/RS-35M and potentially provide a voltage sense connection to support load sensing for supplies that support it or can be modified to support it. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/2/2015 11:33 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > Hello Matt > > Thanks for the Info. > > I have two SEC-1235M and I hate the terminal screws, I think they are > aluminum and I broke them if removing power cable too much times > > I prefer a PS with black and red connectors so I can connect any cable and > don?t worry about connectors. > > Thanks! > Jorge > CX6VM/CW5W > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Matt Zilmer [mailto:mzilmer at roadrunner.com] > Enviado el: viernes, 02 de octubre de 2015 12:13 p.m. > Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM > CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback > > Hi Jorge, > > I have both power supplies here - SS30DV and the Samlex SEC1235M. > > Except for the 1235 having voltage and current meters (the SS30 does not), > there is little difference in performance. One thing that might affect your > decision is that the 1235 has an (internally) adjustable output voltage. > The SS30DV is fixed at 14.1V. > > I run full power with a K3 and with a KX3/KXPA100 with either power supply, > and no isssues found with either one. > > 73, > matt > W6NIA > > On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:18:32 -0300, you wrote: > >> Hello >> >> >> >> I will appreciate feedback from users of the SS30DV power supply with a >> K3 >> >> >> >> Are you happy with it? With full power on the K3, the SS30DV is >> running comfortable? IS noisy? >> >> >> >> If you compare for example with a Samlex SEC-1235M, what do you think? >> >> >> >> Thanks very much >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> Jorge >> >> CX6VM/CW5W >> >> >> >> --- >> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en > busca de virus. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> mzilmer at roadrunner.com > Matt Zilmer, W6NIA > -- > "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein > > > --- > El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From wc29501 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 2 11:54:57 2015 From: wc29501 at yahoo.com (way235) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 08:54:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 mic cmp settings with kenwood mc-43s mic In-Reply-To: <1443761503199-7608618.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1443761503199-7608618.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1443801297215-7608636.post@n2.nabble.com> Jim I set MIC GAIN to Low in the Menu, then I followed the instructions in the Manual for setting Mic Gain and COMP. I was just giving the number to indicate my settings I am using. I can set the MIC by the instructions but if I set the CMP by the instructions I have distortion. I know a lot of people use the Kenwood MC-43S but maybe it is not the best choice. By talking on the air I had to set CMP to 3 to have good audio. 3 does not even give me an indication on the CMP meter scale. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-mic-cmp-settings-with-kenwood-mc-43s-mic-tp7608618p7608636.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mtkoszew at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 11:59:41 2015 From: mtkoszew at gmail.com (Marty Koszewski) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:59:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: References: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1585FCC8-F163-484F-AA29-3A80CA7F3FD3@gmail.com> I have similar spur issues, approx 30khz apart, with the SS30DV on 40 & 80 meters as well. I do not get any noise from my Samlex 1235M using the same power cabling and same installation location. I will try the suggested toroid solution to see if I can get rid of the spurs. I do prefer the connectors of the SS30DV. Marty, K1MTK On Oct 2, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Rick Stealey wrote: We had spurs all over the 80 meter band here on the K3S station that is being run as a remote, approximately 30 khz apart. The main station 50 ft away (but on different antennas spaced 100 feet) had no noise. At first we suspected the OCF dipole, then the networking boxes, then the laptop. Put a gelcel in place of the PS and voila!So it was the SS30 PS. 5 turns of the K3 power cord around a type 31 2.4 inch diameter toroid took all the noise right out. Rick K2XT ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mtkoszew at gmail.com From eric at elecraft.com Fri Oct 2 12:33:52 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:33:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: <560EA87F.5000504@subich.com> References: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> <560EA87F.5000504@subich.com> Message-ID: <560EB1F0.2080607@elecraft.com> The SS30DV has +/- bolt terminals on the rear. The K3S is supplied with a power cable using ring lugs for these bolts on one end, and an APP connector for the K3S on the other. One other note, at the 100W operating level, we do not see any significant voltage drop across the APP conn. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 10/2/2015 8:53 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> I prefer a PS with black and red connectors so I can connect any >> cable and don?t worry about connectors. > > Quality *bolt* terminals will generally show less voltage drop in > transmit than the wiping contacts like PowerPole connectors. That > is particularly true when the PowerPoles are not assembled correctly > and there is less than full pressure between the wiping contacts. > > I would prefer any power supply and transceiver with greater than > 5A current rating use 1/4" or 3/8" stub bolted connections like > the Astron RS-35A/RS-35M and potentially provide a voltage sense > connection to support load sensing for supplies that support it or > can be modified to support it. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 10/2/2015 11:33 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: >> Hello Matt >> >> Thanks for the Info. >> >> I have two SEC-1235M and I hate the terminal screws, I think they are >> aluminum and I broke them if removing power cable too much times >> >> I prefer a PS with black and red connectors so I can connect any cable and >> don?t worry about connectors. >> >> Thanks! >> Jorge >> CX6VM/CW5W >> >> -----Mensaje original----- >> De: Matt Zilmer [mailto:mzilmer at roadrunner.com] >> Enviado el: viernes, 02 de octubre de 2015 12:13 p.m. >> Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM >> CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback >> >> Hi Jorge, >> >> I have both power supplies here - SS30DV and the Samlex SEC1235M. >> >> Except for the 1235 having voltage and current meters (the SS30 does not), >> there is little difference in performance. One thing that might affect your >> decision is that the 1235 has an (internally) adjustable output voltage. >> The SS30DV is fixed at 14.1V. >> >> I run full power with a K3 and with a KX3/KXPA100 with either power supply, >> and no isssues found with either one. >> >> 73, >> matt >> W6NIA >> >> On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:18:32 -0300, you wrote: >> >>> Hello >>> >>> >>> >>> I will appreciate feedback from users of the SS30DV power supply with a >>> K3 >>> >>> >>> >>> Are you happy with it? With full power on the K3, the SS30DV is >>> running comfortable? IS noisy? >>> >>> >>> >>> If you compare for example with a Samlex SEC-1235M, what do you think? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks very much >>> >>> >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Jorge >>> >>> CX6VM/CW5W >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en >> busca de virus. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> mzilmer at roadrunner.com >> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA >> -- >> "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein >> >> >> --- >> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca >> de virus. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Oct 2 12:39:25 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:39:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 mic cmp settings with kenwood mc-43s mic In-Reply-To: <1443801297215-7608636.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1443761503199-7608618.post@n2.nabble.com> <1443801297215-7608636.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <560EB33D.60508@blomand.net> First from your description, you may have RF getting into the transmit audio. This will sound like distortion and will get worse as the CMP value is increased. I use a Heil PR 781 mike which is a dynamic mike and has much lower output level than the Kenwood MC-43. I run with mike gain such that I see 4 to 5 bars of ALC, no more, and 2 to 4 bars on the CMP scale. This has the CMP value at 12 to 15. With the Kenwood mike, the MIC SEL should be set to FP.L. Then adjust the MIC gain value such that you get 4 to 5 bars of ALC indication. Then set the COMP value such that you get 2 to 4 bars of CMP. In all cases, the CMP indication should not be greater than 10 on the scale. By pressing an holding the MODE switch to get to the TEST mode, and then setting the MON value to about 30, while using headphones you can activate transmit mode and listen to your audio with compressing, EQ and ALC characteristics. If it sounds good in TEST mode it will most likely sound good over the air unless one is getting RF back into the audio. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/2/2015 10:54 AM, way235 wrote: > Jim > I set MIC GAIN to Low in the Menu, then I followed the instructions > in the Manual for setting Mic Gain and COMP. I was just giving the number > to indicate my settings I am using. I can set the MIC by the instructions > but if I set the CMP by the instructions I have distortion. > I know a lot of people use the Kenwood MC-43S but maybe it is not the best > choice. By talking on the air I had to set CMP to 3 to have good audio. 3 > does not even give me an indication on the CMP meter scale. From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 12:59:50 2015 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 13:59:50 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: <560EB1F0.2080607@elecraft.com> References: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> <560EA87F.5000504@subich.com> <560EB1F0.2080607@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <560eb804.55b51f0a.5da7d.ffffbc4d@mx.google.com> Thanks all and Eric for the feedback 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] En nombre de Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Enviado el: viernes, 02 de octubre de 2015 01:34 p.m. Para: Joe Subich, W4TV; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback The SS30DV has +/- bolt terminals on the rear. The K3S is supplied with a power cable using ring lugs for these bolts on one end, and an APP connector for the K3S on the other. One other note, at the 100W operating level, we do not see any significant voltage drop across the APP conn. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 10/2/2015 8:53 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> I prefer a PS with black and red connectors so I can connect any >> cable and don t worry about connectors. > > Quality *bolt* terminals will generally show less voltage drop in > transmit than the wiping contacts like PowerPole connectors. That is > particularly true when the PowerPoles are not assembled correctly and > there is less than full pressure between the wiping contacts. > > I would prefer any power supply and transceiver with greater than 5A > current rating use 1/4" or 3/8" stub bolted connections like the > Astron RS-35A/RS-35M and potentially provide a voltage sense > connection to support load sensing for supplies that support it or can > be modified to support it. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 10/2/2015 11:33 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: >> Hello Matt >> >> Thanks for the Info. >> >> I have two SEC-1235M and I hate the terminal screws, I think they are >> aluminum and I broke them if removing power cable too much times >> >> I prefer a PS with black and red connectors so I can connect any >> cable and don t worry about connectors. >> >> Thanks! >> Jorge >> CX6VM/CW5W >> >> -----Mensaje original----- >> De: Matt Zilmer [mailto:mzilmer at roadrunner.com] Enviado el: viernes, >> 02 de octubre de 2015 12:13 p.m. >> Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM >> CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback >> >> Hi Jorge, >> >> I have both power supplies here - SS30DV and the Samlex SEC1235M. >> >> Except for the 1235 having voltage and current meters (the SS30 does >> not), there is little difference in performance. One thing that >> might affect your decision is that the 1235 has an (internally) adjustable output voltage. >> The SS30DV is fixed at 14.1V. >> >> I run full power with a K3 and with a KX3/KXPA100 with either power >> supply, and no isssues found with either one. >> >> 73, >> matt >> W6NIA >> >> On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:18:32 -0300, you wrote: >> >>> Hello >>> >>> >>> >>> I will appreciate feedback from users of the SS30DV power supply >>> with a >>> K3 >>> >>> >>> >>> Are you happy with it? With full power on the K3, the SS30DV is >>> running comfortable? IS noisy? >>> >>> >>> >>> If you compare for example with a Samlex SEC-1235M, what do you think? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks very much >>> >>> >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Jorge >>> >>> CX6VM/CW5W >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr nico >>> en >> busca de virus. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> mzilmer at roadrunner.com >> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA >> -- >> "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein >> >> >> --- >> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr nico >> en busca de virus. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > eric.swartz at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w5jv at hotmail.com Fri Oct 2 13:37:46 2015 From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 12:37:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 bandspread options revisited ... In-Reply-To: References: <560E9FD6.5040707@elecraft.com>, <560EA043.8060400@elecraft.com>, Message-ID: K1 Fanatics, The K1 can apparently be set to have a band spread of 80 kHz or 150. Can this choice be easily reversed if I wanted to see (aka "experience") the difference in operation? Secondly, as the tuning rate increases with the wider band spread, can that be tamed by going to a different VFO encoder or variable pot ? Finally, does anyone know if the Cumbria Designs X-Lock VFO stabilizer would help the 150 kHz option ? ... or is that irrelevant? Feel free to reply in private as I am on Digest Mode. Thank you, Doug W5JV From: w5jv at hotmail.com To: k3support at elecraft.com Subject: RE: W5JV : Fwd: W5JV K1 Order Page questions Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:56:29 -0500 Thank you Craig. I got it now: the back light is a separate unit all by itself and not part of the LCD. I was under the mistaken assumption that there were two LCD units and one was backlit. My mistake. I appreciate your taking time to answer this dumb question. I didn't know. Doug Subject: W5JV : Fwd: W5JV K1 Order Page questions To: w5jv at hotmail.com From: k3support at elecraft.com Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 08:18:27 -0700 Hi Doug, Thank you for your interest in the K1. Here is the link to purchase the LCD backlight, separately. http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K1%20Parts The instructions will show you how to add the backlight to the LCD which comes with the K1. 73, On 10/1/2015 4:46 PM, Lisa Jones wrote: w5jv at hotmail.com -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: K1 Order Page questions Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 18:20:09 -0500 From: Doug Hensley To: info at elecraft.com Hello, Does a new K1 kit come with the backlight LCD or must that be ordered in addition to the K1? And does that mean the buyer ends up with a spare non-back lit LCD ? Thank you, Doug W5JV w5jv at hotmail.com -- -------------------------- Craig Smith W6WL Elecraft Customer Support 831-763-4211 x 174 -------------------------- -- -------------------------- Craig Smith W6WL Elecraft Customer Support 831-763-4211 x 174 -------------------------- From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Oct 2 14:07:02 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 14:07:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 bandspread options revisited ... In-Reply-To: References: <560E9FD6.5040707@elecraft.com> <560EA043.8060400@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <560EC7C6.5010106@embarqmail.com> Doug, The bandspread of the K1 can be easily changed by changing the value of RF Board C2. The 68pF and the 120pF capacitors are provided with the kit, but if you want to customize the bandspread, you are free to use whatever value capacitor at C2 that you desire - 100pF will give you about a 100 to 120 kHz range. You may have to alter the turns spacing of L1 to produce the proper VFO tuning when C2 is changed. Yes, you can change the tuning range at any time. The only real change that should accompany a change in the tuning range is the selection of which crystal to use for 30 meters on the band board. With a tuning range of greater than 120kHz, you may want to use the 18.0 MHz crystal for coverage from 10.0 MHz to 10.120 MHz. With a more narrow tuning range (less than 100 kHz), you would not be able to tune into the 30 meter amateur band with the 18.0 MHz crystal, and the 18.1 MHz crystal must be used so the K1 will tune from 10.100 MHz upward. The Cumbria Designs X-Lock will work with any tuning range. I don't think it will matter what the tuning range may be. As the frequency range is increased, the K1 VFO tuning will become "more touchy" because each degree of rotation on the knob will transverse a greater frequency range - some K1 owners prefer the narrow tuning for that reason, but others apparently have a more steady hand on the knob and do not have a problem with that. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/2/2015 1:37 PM, Doug Hensley wrote: > K1 Fanatics, > The K1 can apparently be set to have a band spread of 80 kHz or 150. Can this choice be easily reversed if I wanted to see (aka "experience") the difference in operation? > Secondly, as the tuning rate increases with the wider band spread, can that be tamed by going to a different VFO encoder or variable pot ? > Finally, does anyone know if the Cumbria Designs X-Lock VFO stabilizer would help the 150 kHz option ? ... or is that irrelevant? > Feel free to reply in private as I am on Digest Mode. > Thank you, > Doug W5JV > > > > > > > > From: w5jv at hotmail.com > To: k3support at elecraft.com > Subject: RE: W5JV : Fwd: W5JV K1 Order Page questions > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:56:29 -0500 > > > > > Thank you Craig. I got it now: the back light is a separate unit all by itself and not part of the LCD. I was under the mistaken assumption that there were two LCD units and one was backlit. My mistake. I appreciate your taking time to answer this dumb question. I didn't know. > Doug > > > > > > > > Subject: W5JV : Fwd: W5JV K1 Order Page questions > To: w5jv at hotmail.com > From: k3support at elecraft.com > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 08:18:27 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Doug, > > > > Thank you for your interest in the K1. > > > > Here is the link to purchase the LCD backlight, separately. http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K1%20Parts > > > > The instructions will show you how to add the backlight to the LCD > which comes with the K1. > > > > 73, > On 10/1/2015 4:46 PM, Lisa Jones > wrote: > > > > > w5jv at hotmail.com > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > > > Subject: > > > > K1 Order Page questions > > > Date: > > > Thu, 1 Oct 2015 18:20:09 -0500 > > > From: > > > Doug Hensley > > > To: > > info at elecraft.com > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > Does > > > a new K1 kit come with the backlight LCD or must that be > ordered in addition to the K1? And does that mean the > buyer ends up with a spare non-back lit LCD ? > > > > Thank > > > you, > > > > Doug > > > W5JV > > > > > w5jv at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -------------------------- > Craig Smith W6WL > Elecraft Customer Support > 831-763-4211 x 174 > -------------------------- > > > > > > > > -- > -------------------------- > Craig Smith W6WL > Elecraft Customer Support > 831-763-4211 x 174 > -------------------------- > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From pmeier at me.com Fri Oct 2 14:52:03 2015 From: pmeier at me.com (Pete Meier) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 12:52:03 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Upgraded or upgrading to KAT3A? Message-ID: <8AD4AC0A-6F79-48B1-9C9A-6B8F943567E2@me.com> Looking for used KAT3. Anyone upgraded to KAT3A and selling their KAT3? Let me know what price you?re asking. Thanks Pete WK8S From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Fri Oct 2 15:00:49 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 15:00:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S odd KAT3A behavior and question Message-ID: <06ea01d0fd44$a815f880$f841e980$@carolinaheli.com> I was playing with my K3S listening to code on 40m. I could clearly hear the signal but it wasn't loud. I spun the dial up a good bit and listened, nothing heard after about a minute so I pressed ATU Tune. The ATU clicked a few times and stopped. I spun back down where I was (somewhere around 7.033MHz) and dialed in the signal. Sounded about the same. Just for grins I did a long press ATU Tune (ATU) to BYPASS. The signal immediately jumped over S9 (was around S7 before). That didn't make sense so I repeated the process a few times with the same results. Am I wrong to expect a higher signal level with the ATU tuned than bypassed? Thanks in advance. Jerry Moore AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 An Amatuer is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. From lists at subich.com Fri Oct 2 15:32:51 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 15:32:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: <560EB1F0.2080607@elecraft.com> References: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> <560EA87F.5000504@subich.com> <560EB1F0.2080607@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <560EDBE3.5060001@subich.com> On 10/2/2015 12:33 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > The SS30DV has +/- bolt terminals on the rear. The K3S is supplied > with a power cable using ring lugs for these bolts on one end, and an > APP connector for the K3S on the other. Very good! How about remote sensing terminals/connector on the next iteration of the K3/K3S - ideally on the KPA3 ? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/2/2015 12:33 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > The SS30DV has +/- bolt terminals on the rear. The K3S is supplied with > a power cable using ring lugs for these bolts on one end, and an APP > connector for the K3S on the other. > > One other note, at the 100W operating level, we do not see any > significant voltage drop across the APP conn. > > 73, > > Eric > /elecraft.com/ > > On 10/2/2015 8:53 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >>> I prefer a PS with black and red connectors so I can connect any >>> cable and don?t worry about connectors. >> >> Quality *bolt* terminals will generally show less voltage drop in >> transmit than the wiping contacts like PowerPole connectors. That >> is particularly true when the PowerPoles are not assembled correctly >> and there is less than full pressure between the wiping contacts. >> >> I would prefer any power supply and transceiver with greater than >> 5A current rating use 1/4" or 3/8" stub bolted connections like >> the Astron RS-35A/RS-35M and potentially provide a voltage sense >> connection to support load sensing for supplies that support it or >> can be modified to support it. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 10/2/2015 11:33 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: >>> Hello Matt >>> >>> Thanks for the Info. >>> >>> I have two SEC-1235M and I hate the terminal screws, I think they are >>> aluminum and I broke them if removing power cable too much times >>> >>> I prefer a PS with black and red connectors so I can connect any >>> cable and >>> don?t worry about connectors. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Jorge >>> CX6VM/CW5W >>> >>> -----Mensaje original----- >>> De: Matt Zilmer [mailto:mzilmer at roadrunner.com] >>> Enviado el: viernes, 02 de octubre de 2015 12:13 p.m. >>> Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM >>> CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback >>> >>> Hi Jorge, >>> >>> I have both power supplies here - SS30DV and the Samlex SEC1235M. >>> >>> Except for the 1235 having voltage and current meters (the SS30 does >>> not), >>> there is little difference in performance. One thing that might >>> affect your >>> decision is that the 1235 has an (internally) adjustable output voltage. >>> The SS30DV is fixed at 14.1V. >>> >>> I run full power with a K3 and with a KX3/KXPA100 with either power >>> supply, >>> and no isssues found with either one. >>> >>> 73, >>> matt >>> W6NIA >>> >>> On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:18:32 -0300, you wrote: >>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I will appreciate feedback from users of the SS30DV power supply with a >>>> K3 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Are you happy with it? With full power on the K3, the SS30DV is >>>> running comfortable? IS noisy? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If you compare for example with a Samlex SEC-1235M, what do you think? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks very much >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Jorge >>>> >>>> CX6VM/CW5W >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en >>> busca de virus. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>> mzilmer at roadrunner.com >>> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA >>> -- >>> "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein >>> >>> >>> --- >>> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico >>> en busca de virus. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > > From fptownsend at earthlink.net Fri Oct 2 15:54:06 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 12:54:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: <560EDBE3.5060001@subich.com> References: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> <560EA87F.5000504@subich.com> <560EB1F0.2080607@elecraft.com> <560EDBE3.5060001@subich.com> Message-ID: <003a01d0fd4c$191eb8d0$4b5c2a70$@earthlink.net> Joe, I am familiar with Kelvin sensing, otherwise known as 4 wire or remote sensing. Its advantages are probably outweighed by the risks of misconnecting and filtering needed for RF environments. With <4 feet of 10 ga wire I don't see significant voltage drops. I prefer KISS. 73 Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 12:33 PM To: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback On 10/2/2015 12:33 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > The SS30DV has +/- bolt terminals on the rear. The K3S is supplied > with a power cable using ring lugs for these bolts on one end, and an > APP connector for the K3S on the other. Very good! How about remote sensing terminals/connector on the next iteration of the K3/K3S - ideally on the KPA3 ? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/2/2015 12:33 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > The SS30DV has +/- bolt terminals on the rear. The K3S is supplied > with a power cable using ring lugs for these bolts on one end, and an > APP connector for the K3S on the other. > > One other note, at the 100W operating level, we do not see any > significant voltage drop across the APP conn. > > 73, > > Eric > /elecraft.com/ > > On 10/2/2015 8:53 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >>> I prefer a PS with black and red connectors so I can connect any >>> cable and don?t worry about connectors. >> >> Quality *bolt* terminals will generally show less voltage drop in >> transmit than the wiping contacts like PowerPole connectors. That is >> particularly true when the PowerPoles are not assembled correctly and >> there is less than full pressure between the wiping contacts. >> >> I would prefer any power supply and transceiver with greater than 5A >> current rating use 1/4" or 3/8" stub bolted connections like the >> Astron RS-35A/RS-35M and potentially provide a voltage sense >> connection to support load sensing for supplies that support it or >> can be modified to support it. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 10/2/2015 11:33 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: >>> Hello Matt >>> >>> Thanks for the Info. >>> >>> I have two SEC-1235M and I hate the terminal screws, I think they >>> are aluminum and I broke them if removing power cable too much times >>> >>> I prefer a PS with black and red connectors so I can connect any >>> cable and don?t worry about connectors. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Jorge >>> CX6VM/CW5W >>> >>> -----Mensaje original----- >>> De: Matt Zilmer [mailto:mzilmer at roadrunner.com] Enviado el: viernes, >>> 02 de octubre de 2015 12:13 p.m. >>> Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM >>> CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback >>> >>> Hi Jorge, >>> >>> I have both power supplies here - SS30DV and the Samlex SEC1235M. >>> >>> Except for the 1235 having voltage and current meters (the SS30 does >>> not), there is little difference in performance. One thing that >>> might affect your decision is that the 1235 has an (internally) >>> adjustable output voltage. >>> The SS30DV is fixed at 14.1V. >>> >>> I run full power with a K3 and with a KX3/KXPA100 with either power >>> supply, and no isssues found with either one. >>> >>> 73, >>> matt >>> W6NIA >>> >>> On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:18:32 -0300, you wrote: >>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I will appreciate feedback from users of the SS30DV power supply >>>> with a >>>> K3 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Are you happy with it? With full power on the K3, the SS30DV is >>>> running comfortable? IS noisy? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If you compare for example with a Samlex SEC-1235M, what do you think? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks very much >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Jorge >>>> >>>> CX6VM/CW5W >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico >>>> en >>> busca de virus. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>>> email >>>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>> mzilmer at roadrunner.com >>> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA >>> -- >>> "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein >>> >>> >>> --- >>> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico >>> en busca de virus. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> lists at subich.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> eric.swartz at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From dkent53 at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 16:05:29 2015 From: dkent53 at gmail.com (dave_w0ru) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 13:05:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Fault In-Reply-To: <8436308F-7E69-440C-9A2A-6A0AED481AA8@elecraft.com> References: <1443656231410-7608563.post@n2.nabble.com> <1443713578777-7608580.post@n2.nabble.com> <1443754044958-7608616.post@n2.nabble.com> <8436308F-7E69-440C-9A2A-6A0AED481AA8@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1443816329179-7608648.post@n2.nabble.com> I finally found out the answer. In checking the AuxBus cables, I found a cable connecting the K3 Key Out to the KPA500 PA Key. Removing this cable made the fault go away. Perhaps I had followed the Figure 3 on page 23 of the KPA500 manual at some point. Anyway there is a lot of cabling back there. 73, Dave w0ru -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KAT500-Fault-tp7608563p7608648.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From alsopb at nc.rr.com Fri Oct 2 16:12:04 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 20:12:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: <003a01d0fd4c$191eb8d0$4b5c2a70$@earthlink.net> References: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> <560EA87F.5000504@subich.com> <560EB1F0.2080607@elecraft.com> <560EDBE3.5060001@subich.com> <003a01d0fd4c$191eb8d0$4b5c2a70$@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <560EE514.9060308@nc.rr.com> Fred, I'm a fan of higher voltage -- perhaps 24 or 40 volts so that PA transistors can produce cleaner signals. Doing so reduces any IR drop on power supply wiring by a factor of 2 or 3. KISS. IC's are going to lower and lower voltages. Multiple circuits within boxes require a menagerie of voltages. One is faced with having to generate more heat in regulators dropping 40 volts to 12, maybe 5, 3.3 and 1.6 V. Perhaps the era of efficient multivoltage power supplies with multiple wires for multiple voltages will return. (Remember filament ,plate, screen and grid voltage power supplies in days of yore? Guys generally didn't mistakenly hook up the 3500 V B+ wire to the filaments......) 73 de Brian/K3KO On 10/2/2015 19:54 PM, Fred Townsend wrote: > Joe, I am familiar with Kelvin sensing, otherwise known as 4 wire or remote sensing. Its advantages are probably outweighed by the risks of misconnecting and filtering needed for RF environments. With <4 feet of 10 ga wire I don't see significant voltage drops. I prefer KISS. > 73 > Fred, AE6QL > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV > Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 12:33 PM > To: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback > > On 10/2/2015 12:33 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> The SS30DV has +/- bolt terminals on the rear. The K3S is supplied >> with a power cable using ring lugs for these bolts on one end, and an >> APP connector for the K3S on the other. > Very good! How about remote sensing terminals/connector on the next iteration of the K3/K3S - ideally on the KPA3 ? > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 10/2/2015 12:33 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> The SS30DV has +/- bolt terminals on the rear. The K3S is supplied >> with a power cable using ring lugs for these bolts on one end, and an >> APP connector for the K3S on the other. >> >> One other note, at the 100W operating level, we do not see any >> significant voltage drop across the APP conn. >> >> 73, >> >> Eric >> /elecraft.com/ >> >> On 10/2/2015 8:53 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>> I prefer a PS with black and red connectors so I can connect any >>>> cable and don?t worry about connectors. >>> Quality *bolt* terminals will generally show less voltage drop in >>> transmit than the wiping contacts like PowerPole connectors. That is >>> particularly true when the PowerPoles are not assembled correctly and >>> there is less than full pressure between the wiping contacts. >>> >>> I would prefer any power supply and transceiver with greater than 5A >>> current rating use 1/4" or 3/8" stub bolted connections like the >>> Astron RS-35A/RS-35M and potentially provide a voltage sense >>> connection to support load sensing for supplies that support it or >>> can be modified to support it. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> >>> On 10/2/2015 11:33 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: >>>> Hello Matt >>>> >>>> Thanks for the Info. >>>> >>>> I have two SEC-1235M and I hate the terminal screws, I think they >>>> are aluminum and I broke them if removing power cable too much times >>>> >>>> I prefer a PS with black and red connectors so I can connect any >>>> cable and don?t worry about connectors. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> Jorge >>>> CX6VM/CW5W >>>> >>>> -----Mensaje original----- >>>> De: Matt Zilmer [mailto:mzilmer at roadrunner.com] Enviado el: viernes, >>>> 02 de octubre de 2015 12:13 p.m. >>>> Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM >>>> CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback >>>> >>>> Hi Jorge, >>>> >>>> I have both power supplies here - SS30DV and the Samlex SEC1235M. >>>> >>>> Except for the 1235 having voltage and current meters (the SS30 does >>>> not), there is little difference in performance. One thing that >>>> might affect your decision is that the 1235 has an (internally) >>>> adjustable output voltage. >>>> The SS30DV is fixed at 14.1V. >>>> >>>> I run full power with a K3 and with a KX3/KXPA100 with either power >>>> supply, and no isssues found with either one. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> matt >>>> W6NIA >>>> >>>> On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:18:32 -0300, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I will appreciate feedback from users of the SS30DV power supply >>>>> with a >>>>> K3 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Are you happy with it? With full power on the K3, the SS30DV is >>>>> running comfortable? IS noisy? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you compare for example with a Samlex SEC-1235M, what do you think? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks very much >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> Jorge >>>>> >>>>> CX6VM/CW5W >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico >>>>> en >>>> busca de virus. >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>>>> email >>>>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>>> mzilmer at roadrunner.com >>>> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA >>>> -- >>>> "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico >>>> en busca de virus. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>> lists at subich.com >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> eric.swartz at elecraft.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6140 / Virus Database: 4435/10742 - Release Date: 10/02/15 From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Oct 2 17:04:35 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 16:04:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: <003a01d0fd4c$191eb8d0$4b5c2a70$@earthlink.net> References: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> <560EA87F.5000504@subich.com> <560EB1F0.2080607@elecraft.com> <560EDBE3.5060001@subich.com> <003a01d0fd4c$191eb8d0$4b5c2a70$@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <560EF163.8000609@blomand.net> Fred et al: I would agree. When used with decent power cables, good connectors properly applied and overall length of 4 ft or so, remote sensing will likely bring more issues to the table than necessary. Additional wiring, additional connectors and filtering required to keep RF out and the overall system stable. Now if one has to run DC power 20 to 30 ft then remote sensing is most likely necessary. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/2/2015 2:54 PM, Fred Townsend wrote: > Joe, I am familiar with Kelvin sensing, otherwise known as 4 wire or remote sensing. Its advantages are probably outweighed by the risks of misconnecting and filtering needed for RF environments. With <4 feet of 10 ga wire I don't see significant voltage drops. I prefer KISS. > 73 > Fred, AE6QL From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Oct 2 17:10:42 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 16:10:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: <560EE514.9060308@nc.rr.com> References: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> <560EA87F.5000504@subich.com> <560EB1F0.2080607@elecraft.com> <560EDBE3.5060001@subich.com> <003a01d0fd4c$191eb8d0$4b5c2a70$@earthlink.net> <560EE514.9060308@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <560EF2D2.4030506@blomand.net> To me the real solution is to incorporate an internal power supply. I agree that higher PA voltages will produce cleaner transmitters. Therefore multiple voltages, no problem, minimized ground loop issues, reduce number of cables. Only one box to transport as opposed to two. No extra cables to forget or have a cable with wrong connectors. I recall reading recently about a fellow that connected his radio in a reverse polarity condition. With an internal PS, this wouldn't occur. Since we have to have a PS after all, why not just make it internal. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/2/2015 3:12 PM, brian wrote: > Fred, > I'm a fan of higher voltage -- perhaps 24 or 40 volts so that PA > transistors can produce cleaner signals. Doing so reduces any IR > drop on power supply wiring by a factor of 2 or 3. KISS. > > IC's are going to lower and lower voltages. Multiple circuits > within boxes require a menagerie of voltages. One is faced with > having to generate more heat in regulators dropping 40 volts to 12, > maybe 5, 3.3 and 1.6 V. Perhaps the era of efficient multivoltage > power supplies with multiple wires for multiple voltages will > return. (Remember filament ,plate, screen and grid voltage power > supplies in days of yore? Guys generally didn't mistakenly hook up > the 3500 V B+ wire to the filaments......) > > 73 de Brian/K3 From dave at nk7z.net Fri Oct 2 17:10:59 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 14:10:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Problem In-Reply-To: <1443732083380-7608607.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <006001d0fc83$9d478610$d7d69230$@gte.net> <1443732083380-7608607.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1443820259.7550.11.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Hi Paul, Thank you for the suggestion, but respectfully, I am not sure I want to take such a brut force fix for this, as I have many prams set, that are not at default. Does this reset everything in the radio to factory? I want to understand what is happening before I make changes... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Thu, 2015-10-01 at 13:41 -0700, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote: > Hi Ken, > > A 'parameter reset' should solve the problem. Hold down the MENU button > while pressing the POWER button. This will reinitialize all the parameters > to their default values. > > 73, > > Paul > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Problem-tp7608603p7608607.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From fptownsend at earthlink.net Fri Oct 2 18:24:01 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 15:24:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback OT Message-ID: <006201d0fd61$0a691be0$1f3b53a0$@earthlink.net> Brain yes I recall tubes and the multiple power supply requirements. I even designed to a few. I also remember how rough it was to do mobile power supplies where the HV came from either vibrators or dynamotors. Then it was transistors and everything went to 13.85V. But transistor output tanks were never the same because transistor class C tank coils couldn't handle the current so we went to low Q tanks with class B outputs. Around 2002-2003 there was SAE group called 42Volt. They stated by 2007 that the AC compressor, water pump, and power steering would be electrically driven and therefore the automotive industry must switch to 42 volts (basically three 12v batteries in series). I couldn't wait for 42 volts to work its way into ham radio. By 2007 the group had disbanded. My guess is hybrids killed 42V because they wanted to keep the accessories powered by the engine and not the hybrid battery. The K2 and K3 are dual desktop and mobile radios. Perhaps it is time for a desktop only radio with HV FET finals with a built in power supply. Also a 42V mobile with its own add-on alternator and quiet down converter for the receiver and LEDs. 73 Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of brian Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 1:12 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback Fred, I'm a fan of higher voltage -- perhaps 24 or 40 volts so that PA transistors can produce cleaner signals. Doing so reduces any IR drop on power supply wiring by a factor of 2 or 3. KISS. IC's are going to lower and lower voltages. Multiple circuits within boxes require a menagerie of voltages. One is faced with having to generate more heat in regulators dropping 40 volts to 12, maybe 5, 3.3 and 1.6 V. Perhaps the era of efficient multivoltage power supplies with multiple wires for multiple voltages will return. (Remember filament ,plate, screen and grid voltage power supplies in days of yore? Guys generally didn't mistakenly hook up the 3500 V B+ wire to the filaments......) 73 de Brian/K3KO On 10/2/2015 19:54 PM, Fred Townsend wrote: > Joe, I am familiar with Kelvin sensing, otherwise known as 4 wire or remote sensing. Its advantages are probably outweighed by the risks of misconnecting and filtering needed for RF environments. With <4 feet of 10 ga wire I don't see significant voltage drops. I prefer KISS. > 73 > Fred, AE6QL > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, > W4TV > Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 12:33 PM > To: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback > > On 10/2/2015 12:33 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> The SS30DV has +/- bolt terminals on the rear. The K3S is supplied >> with a power cable using ring lugs for these bolts on one end, and an >> APP connector for the K3S on the other. > Very good! How about remote sensing terminals/connector on the next iteration of the K3/K3S - ideally on the KPA3 ? > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 10/2/2015 12:33 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> The SS30DV has +/- bolt terminals on the rear. The K3S is supplied >> with a power cable using ring lugs for these bolts on one end, and an >> APP connector for the K3S on the other. >> >> One other note, at the 100W operating level, we do not see any >> significant voltage drop across the APP conn. >> >> 73, >> >> Eric >> /elecraft.com/ >> >> On 10/2/2015 8:53 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>>> I prefer a PS with black and red connectors so I can connect any >>>> cable and don?t worry about connectors. >>> Quality *bolt* terminals will generally show less voltage drop in >>> transmit than the wiping contacts like PowerPole connectors. That >>> is particularly true when the PowerPoles are not assembled correctly >>> and there is less than full pressure between the wiping contacts. >>> >>> I would prefer any power supply and transceiver with greater than 5A >>> current rating use 1/4" or 3/8" stub bolted connections like the >>> Astron RS-35A/RS-35M and potentially provide a voltage sense >>> connection to support load sensing for supplies that support it or >>> can be modified to support it. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> >>> On 10/2/2015 11:33 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: >>>> Hello Matt >>>> >>>> Thanks for the Info. >>>> >>>> I have two SEC-1235M and I hate the terminal screws, I think they >>>> are aluminum and I broke them if removing power cable too much >>>> times >>>> >>>> I prefer a PS with black and red connectors so I can connect any >>>> cable and don?t worry about connectors. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> Jorge >>>> CX6VM/CW5W >>>> >>>> -----Mensaje original----- >>>> De: Matt Zilmer [mailto:mzilmer at roadrunner.com] Enviado el: >>>> viernes, >>>> 02 de octubre de 2015 12:13 p.m. >>>> Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM >>>> CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback >>>> >>>> Hi Jorge, >>>> >>>> I have both power supplies here - SS30DV and the Samlex SEC1235M. >>>> >>>> Except for the 1235 having voltage and current meters (the SS30 >>>> does not), there is little difference in performance. One thing >>>> that might affect your decision is that the 1235 has an >>>> (internally) adjustable output voltage. >>>> The SS30DV is fixed at 14.1V. >>>> >>>> I run full power with a K3 and with a KX3/KXPA100 with either power >>>> supply, and no isssues found with either one. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> matt >>>> W6NIA >>>> >>>> On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:18:32 -0300, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I will appreciate feedback from users of the SS30DV power supply >>>>> with a >>>>> K3 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Are you happy with it? With full power on the K3, the SS30DV is >>>>> running comfortable? IS noisy? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you compare for example with a Samlex SEC-1235M, what do you think? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks very much >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> Jorge >>>>> >>>>> CX6VM/CW5W >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo >>>>> electr?nico en >>>> busca de virus. >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>>>> email >>>>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>>> mzilmer at roadrunner.com >>>> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA >>>> -- >>>> "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico >>>> en busca de virus. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>>> lists at subich.com >>>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> eric.swartz at elecraft.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > fptownsend at earthlink.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > alsopb at nc.rr.com > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6140 / Virus Database: 4435/10742 - Release Date: > 10/02/15 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From ron at cobi.biz Fri Oct 2 18:45:08 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 15:45:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Fault In-Reply-To: <1443816329179-7608648.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1443656231410-7608563.post@n2.nabble.com> <1443713578777-7608580.post@n2.nabble.com> <1443754044958-7608616.post@n2.nabble.com> <8436308F-7E69-440C-9A2A-6A0AED481AA8@elecraft.com> <1443816329179-7608648.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <005301d0fd63$fe2d84d0$fa888e70$@biz> Right! You want only ONE key line. Note that in Figure 3 (pg 13) the KPAK3AUX cable contains a key line inside of it. Figure 4 (page 14) show an external key line cable between the K3 and KPA500 so you can break into it to control some external gear such as a Stepp-IR antenna controller, but also shows the "key line interrupter" between the K3 and the KPAK3AUX cable. The interrupter opens the key line inside the KPAK3AUX cable so it's no longer active. Every time I have to recable my K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500 setup - which is almost daily - I think to myself "Isn't wireless fun?" Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of dave_w0ru Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 1:05 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Fault I finally found out the answer. In checking the AuxBus cables, I found a cable connecting the K3 Key Out to the KPA500 PA Key. Removing this cable made the fault go away. Perhaps I had followed the Figure 3 on page 23 of the KPA500 manual at some point. Anyway there is a lot of cabling back there. 73, Dave w0ru -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KAT500-Fault-tp7608563p7608648.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From gdt at lexort.com Fri Oct 2 19:14:31 2015 From: gdt at lexort.com (Greg Troxel) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 19:14:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] firmware suggestion: display receive CW speed Message-ID: I try to send at around 18 wpm because I am reasonably confident copying at that speed. I am finding that many who are sending CW do not slow down, but that's another story. I use the decode on my KX3 to help my lack of perfect copying, trying to copy myself and using that to not annoy the other party. I also use it tuning around to try to make sure I have the call/QTH right of a station working several people right, before putting out my call. I do this especially when the other station is sending way too fast and doesn't slow down. It would be nice to have a display of the speed of the decoded CW. Unfortunately on the KX3 the display has no extra space, so it's non-obvious where to put this. But if it could appear on the serial stream, that would help. Perhaps as a "[22wpm] " at some point after the decoder has locked on. I'm assuming that that the decode software has already estimated the speed as part of creating a matched filter. I actually wouldn't mind having the MHz digits replaced by the rx wpm (perhaps as a menu option to ask for this). Once I'm on a band, I don't really need the Mhz digits. It would be further spiffy if there were a way to set TX speed to the RX speed. It would be a contribution to society if this were semi-automatic and many people did it.... 73 de n1dam From lists at subich.com Fri Oct 2 19:32:07 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 19:32:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: <560EE514.9060308@nc.rr.com> References: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> <560EA87F.5000504@subich.com> <560EB1F0.2080607@elecraft.com> <560EDBE3.5060001@subich.com> <003a01d0fd4c$191eb8d0$4b5c2a70$@earthlink.net> <560EE514.9060308@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <560F13F7.30409@subich.com> > Doing so reduces any IR drop on power supply wiring by a factor of 2 > or 3. Higher voltage - 24 or 40 V results in decreasing the voltage drop by a factor or 4 or 9. The voltage drop is a function of current *squared*. 24 or 48 volt finals certainly produce much cleaner signals as the active devices are not likely to be driven into current saturation *or* cutoff in order to reach useful power output where the 12V devices are pushed to the wall to make 100W output. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/2/2015 4:12 PM, brian wrote: > Fred, > I'm a fan of higher voltage -- perhaps 24 or 40 volts so that PA > transistors can produce cleaner signals. Doing so reduces any IR drop > on power supply wiring by a factor of 2 or 3. KISS. > > IC's are going to lower and lower voltages. Multiple circuits within > boxes require a menagerie of voltages. One is faced with having to > generate more heat in regulators dropping 40 volts to 12, maybe 5, 3.3 > and 1.6 V. Perhaps the era of efficient multivoltage power supplies > with multiple wires for multiple voltages will return. (Remember > filament ,plate, screen and grid voltage power supplies in days of > yore? Guys generally didn't mistakenly hook up the 3500 V B+ wire to > the filaments......) > > 73 de Brian/K3KO > > From eric at elecraft.com Fri Oct 2 20:33:39 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:33:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: <560F13F7.30409@subich.com> References: <560e761a.91101f0a.db2ed.ffffaa80@mx.google.com> <560ea3c5.17951f0a.f1096.ffffb4b9@mx.google.com> <560EA87F.5000504@subich.com> <560EB1F0.2080607@elecraft.com> <560EDBE3.5060001@subich.com> <003a01d0fd4c$191eb8d0$4b5c2a70$@earthlink.net> <560EE514.9060308@nc.rr.com> <560F13F7.30409@subich.com> Message-ID: <560F2263.5020102@elecraft.com> We're hitting the posting limit on this one. Let's wind it down in the next 3-4 posts at most. Then thread closed for now. Eric /elecraft.com/ On 10/2/2015 4:32 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> Doing so reduces any IR drop on power supply wiring by a factor of 2 >> or 3. > > Higher voltage - 24 or 40 V results in decreasing the voltage drop by a > factor or 4 or 9. The voltage drop is a function of current *squared*. > > 24 or 48 volt finals certainly produce much cleaner signals as the > active devices are not likely to be driven into current saturation > *or* cutoff in order to reach useful power output where the 12V devices > are pushed to the wall to make 100W output. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 10/2/2015 4:12 PM, brian wrote: >> Fred, >> I'm a fan of higher voltage -- perhaps 24 or 40 volts so that PA >> transistors can produce cleaner signals. Doing so reduces any IR drop >> on power supply wiring by a factor of 2 or 3. KISS. >> >> IC's are going to lower and lower voltages. Multiple circuits within >> boxes require a menagerie of voltages. One is faced with having to >> generate more heat in regulators dropping 40 volts to 12, maybe 5, 3.3 >> and 1.6 V. Perhaps the era of efficient multivoltage power supplies >> with multiple wires for multiple voltages will return. (Remember >> filament ,plate, screen and grid voltage power supplies in days of >> yore? Guys generally didn't mistakenly hook up the 3500 V B+ wire to >> the filaments......) >> >> 73 de Brian/K3KO >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From aj1g at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 2 21:25:27 2015 From: aj1g at sbcglobal.net (Chris Bowne) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 21:25:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Calling all K1 Mobiles Message-ID: <519CCED7-4FDA-4E25-887A-2AE4EA1BAB40@sbcglobal.net> Any other folks out there crazy enough to run QRP mobile with their K1s? Looking for skeds with you and or competitors in a K1 mobile QRP challenge within this year's CW Sweepstakes. (No I don't run CW SS while driving, not that crazy). But I did run up about 75 sections and 150 QSOs on 40 and 20 in the 2013 CW SS in about 8 hours of op time. 73 de Chris. AJ1G Stonington, CT Sent from my iPhone From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Oct 2 22:40:28 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 21:40:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S odd KAT3A behavior and question In-Reply-To: <06ea01d0fd44$a815f880$f841e980$@carolinaheli.com> References: <06ea01d0fd44$a815f880$f841e980$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <560F401C.8040305@blomand.net> If I understand this correctly. It seems you set / tuned the ATU for a higher frequency, being the 2nd frequency where you listened, then moved back down band with out retuning. It would seem then the ATU would be set for some frequency other than the one you were receiving. Yes, going to bypass might indeed likely show a higher received signal. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/2/2015 2:00 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > I was playing with my K3S listening to code on 40m. I could clearly hear the > signal but it wasn't loud. I spun the dial up a good bit and listened, > nothing heard after about a minute so I pressed ATU Tune. The ATU clicked a > few times and stopped. I spun back down where I was (somewhere around > 7.033MHz) and dialed in the signal. Sounded about the same. Just for grins I > did a long press ATU Tune (ATU) to BYPASS. The signal immediately jumped > over S9 (was around S7 before). That didn't make sense so I repeated the > process a few times with the same results. > > > > Am I wrong to expect a higher signal level with the ATU tuned than bypassed? From jermo at carolinaheli.com Fri Oct 2 22:44:26 2015 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 22:44:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S odd KAT3A behavior and question In-Reply-To: <560F401C.8040305@blomand.net> References: <06ea01d0fd44$a815f880$f841e980$@carolinaheli.com> <560F401C.8040305@blomand.net> Message-ID: I only tuned enough to not be on top of the station. On October 2, 2015 10:40:28 PM EDT, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: >If I understand this correctly. It seems you set / tuned the ATU for >a >higher frequency, being the 2nd frequency where you listened, then >moved >back down band with out retuning. It would seem then the ATU would be >set for some frequency other than the one you were receiving. Yes, >going to bypass might indeed likely show a higher received signal. > >73 >Bob, K4TAX > >On 10/2/2015 2:00 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: >> I was playing with my K3S listening to code on 40m. I could clearly >hear the >> signal but it wasn't loud. I spun the dial up a good bit and >listened, >> nothing heard after about a minute so I pressed ATU Tune. The ATU >clicked a >> few times and stopped. I spun back down where I was (somewhere around >> 7.033MHz) and dialed in the signal. Sounded about the same. Just for >grins I >> did a long press ATU Tune (ATU) to BYPASS. The signal immediately >jumped >> over S9 (was around S7 before). That didn't make sense so I repeated >the >> process a few times with the same results. >> >> >> >> Am I wrong to expect a higher signal level with the ATU tuned than >bypassed? > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Oct 2 22:56:53 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 21:56:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S odd KAT3A behavior and question In-Reply-To: References: <06ea01d0fd44$a815f880$f841e980$@carolinaheli.com> <560F401C.8040305@blomand.net> Message-ID: <560F43F5.9090103@blomand.net> I tried this a couple of times with my K3S. Didn't notice any difference between the tuner active and tuner bypassed. Tuner insertion loss is in the order of 1.0 dB or less when matched, depending on which side of 50 ohms it is required to match. Very low Z matches tend to show a bit more loss than values above 50 ohms. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/2/2015 9:44 PM, Jerry Moore wrote: > I only tuned enough to not be on top of the station. > > On October 2, 2015 10:40:28 PM EDT, Bob McGraw - K4TAX > wrote: > > If I understand this correctly. It seems you set / tuned the ATU for a > higher frequency, being the 2nd frequency where you listened, then moved > back down band with out retuning. It would seem then the ATU would be > set for some frequency other than the one you were receiving. Yes, > going to bypass might indeed likely show a higher received signal. > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > > On 10/2/2015 2:00 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > > I was playing with my K3S listening to code on 40m. I could > clearly hear the signal but it wasn't loud. I spun the dial up > a good bit and listened, nothing heard after about a minute so > I pressed ATU Tune. The ATU clicked a few times and stopped. I > spun back down where I was (somewhere around 7.033MHz) and > dialed in the signal. Sounded about the same. Just for grins I > did a long press ATU Tune (ATU) to BYPASS. The signal > immediately jumped over S9 (was around S7 before). That didn't > make sense so I repeated the process a few times with the same > results. > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sat Oct 3 00:54:04 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 21:54:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: <560EF2D2.4030506@blomand.net> Message-ID: As I run my K3 from batteries at home, and am about to run in from batteries in Sierra county for the California QSO party -- no generators permitted where we are. I need battery power for my normal operations. If higher voltages are needed to clean up the amp, how about a DC to DC converter. 73 Bill AE6JV On 10/2/15 at 2:10 PM, rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) wrote: >To me the real solution is to incorporate an internal power supply. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Hardware Management Modes: | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | If there's a mode, there's a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | failure mode. - Jerry Leichter | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From lists at subich.com Sat Oct 3 09:19:20 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 09:19:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <560FD5D8.6010705@subich.com> > If higher voltages are needed to clean up the amp, how about a DC to > DC converter. How about a higher voltage battery system rather than added complexity in the transceiver? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/3/2015 12:54 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > As I run my K3 from batteries at home, and am about to run in from > batteries in Sierra county for the California QSO party -- no generators > permitted where we are. I need battery power for my normal operations. > If higher voltages are needed to clean up the amp, how about a DC to DC > converter. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 10/2/15 at 2:10 PM, rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) wrote: > >> To me the real solution is to incorporate an internal power supply. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | Re: Hardware Management Modes: | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | If there's a mode, there's a | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | failure mode. - Jerry Leichter | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Oct 3 09:25:35 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:25:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] DC to DC Converter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <560FD74F.1000109@blomand.net> I use a 2 KW pure sine wave DC to AC inverter in our travel trailer. The 60 Hz THD is less than 3% as measured. I find it works quite nice, handles the necessary equipment including the microwave, starts the compressor on the 5 cu. ft. refrigerator and best of all, it doesn't cause noise on the HF transceiver. One does have to be mindful of power management. The transceiver does connect direct to the 12V battery system. I've not had any experience with DC to DC converters. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/2/2015 11:54 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > As I run my K3 from batteries at home, and am about to run in from > batteries in Sierra county for the California QSO party -- no > generators permitted where we are. I need battery power for my normal > operations. If higher voltages are needed to clean up the amp, how > about a DC to DC converter. > > 73 Bill AE6JV From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 09:35:22 2015 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:35:22 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback In-Reply-To: <560FD5D8.6010705@subich.com> References: <560FD5D8.6010705@subich.com> Message-ID: <560fda52.cd178d0a.27b3e.484f@mx.google.com> Thanks very much for the feedback from SS30DV users I think I have good recommendation for it. Now QRT 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W -----Mensaje original----- De: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] En nombre de Joe Subich, W4TV Enviado el: s?bado, 03 de octubre de 2015 10:19 a.m. Para: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback > If higher voltages are needed to clean up the amp, how about a DC to > DC converter. How about a higher voltage battery system rather than added complexity in the transceiver? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/3/2015 12:54 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > As I run my K3 from batteries at home, and am about to run in from > batteries in Sierra county for the California QSO party -- no > generators permitted where we are. I need battery power for my normal operations. > If higher voltages are needed to clean up the amp, how about a DC to > DC converter. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 10/2/15 at 2:10 PM, rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) wrote: > >> To me the real solution is to incorporate an internal power supply. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | Re: Hardware Management Modes: | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | If there's a mode, there's a | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | failure mode. - Jerry Leichter | Los Gatos, CA > 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > lists at subich.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From no9e at arrl.net Sat Oct 3 10:14:30 2015 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 07:14:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback OT In-Reply-To: <006201d0fd61$0a691be0$1f3b53a0$@earthlink.net> References: <006201d0fd61$0a691be0$1f3b53a0$@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1443881670218-7608665.post@n2.nabble.com> With predistortion coming sooner or later to mainstream radios, higher PA voltage for 100W is dead issue. Ignacy -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-SS30DV-feedback-OT-tp7608653p7608665.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From alsopb at nc.rr.com Sat Oct 3 11:18:35 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2015 15:18:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Cheap ref osc to lock K3 Message-ID: <560FF1CB.1070307@nc.rr.com> LA3ZA used a UBLOX NEO-7 GPS unit to lock his K3. This $20 unit including complete development board can be obtained here. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301199083821 It's tiny, has a patch antenna (although a $10 active antenna works better) and consumes under 60ma. It can be powered from +5v or a USB port. It fits in a 2"x3" box. Once set up it is stand alone not requiring a computer connection. There was some question as to whether the jitter of the unit would disqualify it as a decent ref osc. A posting on the SpectrumLab group indicated that it seems quite adequate for K3 disciplining. SpectrumLabUsers at yahoogroups.com Accuracy within 0.02 to 0.03 Hz of a Rb standard. Output spectrum seems to indicate that jitter is not a problem for this purpose. 73 de Brian/K3KO From rthorne at rthorne.net Sat Oct 3 11:20:15 2015 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:20:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] two 2.7khz filters available Message-ID: <560FF22F.8060803@rthorne.net> I have a pair of 2.7khz filters available if anyone is interested. I just replaced them with 2.8khz filters. Make me a reasonable offer for both. Rich - N5ZC From lists at subich.com Sat Oct 3 12:59:32 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 12:59:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback OT In-Reply-To: <1443881670218-7608665.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <006201d0fd61$0a691be0$1f3b53a0$@earthlink.net> <1443881670218-7608665.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <56100974.7030209@subich.com> On 10/3/2015 10:14 AM, Ignacy wrote: > With predistortion coming sooner or later to mainstream radios, higher PA > voltage for 100W is dead issue. > Ignacy Higher voltage PA and predistortion are completely separate items. Even with predistortion, good engineering principles mean higher voltage transistors one should be used for 100W class rigs. Most 50 or 60 W "12V" transistors are class C devices (a pair for "100 W") ... predistortion is not going to make class C finals clean enough for reasonable SSB. Modern "12V" radios are 10 dB or more dirtier than older generation tube transceivers. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Oct 3 13:28:09 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:28:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S firmware handles CR/LF characters in RTTY and PSK modes Message-ID: <813E6AD6-DB88-4873-9DC4-1A348B92EDCE@elecraft.com> Hi all, We're looking for a few testers for the latest K3/K3S field-test firmware. This rev fulfills a long-standing request to properly handle carriage-return (CR) and line-feed (LF) characters in our built-in data modes, FSK-D and PSK-D. CR and LF characters are used for screen formatting, automatic spotting sequences, etc. FSK-D and PSK-D modes use the radio's DSP for encode/decode, with text input provided via an attached CW keyer paddle, a keyboard connected to a P3, or from any computer application that can send remote control commands to the radio. One of these applications is K3 Utility. It includes a Terminal screen that works in RTTY/PSK31/CW modes. (We have a bit more work to do in K3 Utility to handle CR & LF characters in transmit mode, as I'll explain in my instructions for using the new firmware.) This release also fixes a recently discovered PTT bug. Unexpected ERR PTT and ERR KEY messages were being displayed if the operator activated PTT, then tapped A/B, etc. If you have time to test these improvements in the short term -- preferably this weekend, so we can go to beta next week -- please contact me directly. 73, Wayne N6KR From pmeier at me.com Sat Oct 3 13:28:38 2015 From: pmeier at me.com (Pete Meier) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2015 11:28:38 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: K3 ATU Message-ID: <67C72181-A750-42BF-97CD-597422FA4EF6@me.com> Got one to sell? Let me know. Pete Meier pmeier at me.com Amateur Radio Callsign: WK8S || If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you. But if you really make them think, they'll hate you - Don Marquis || From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Sat Oct 3 13:53:15 2015 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:53:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Just good enough 10 MHz reference Message-ID: <1443894795179-7608672.post@n2.nabble.com> I have now posted a full description of my just good enough 10 MHz reference based on the Ublox Neo-7M 12-13 USD GPS on my blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com/2015/10/just-good-enough-10-mhz-reference.html?spref=tw It has photos and schematics and shows how it affects the K3's reference oscillator from initial start-up until it's warm. ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Just-good-enough-10-MHz-reference-tp7608672.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From no9e at arrl.net Sat Oct 3 14:59:48 2015 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:59:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback OT In-Reply-To: <56100974.7030209@subich.com> References: <006201d0fd61$0a691be0$1f3b53a0$@earthlink.net> <1443881670218-7608665.post@n2.nabble.com> <56100974.7030209@subich.com> Message-ID: <1443898788041-7608673.post@n2.nabble.com> With bias, 12V transistors are class B or AB, not C. See http://flarc.net/eme-info/PDF/N1JEZ-2.pdf. He describes an amp changed to Class B (very low bias for little heating). Regular IMD3 -22db. After predistortion -55db. Plus extra db in additional power power. All for a cost of feedback + some programming. With predistortion we can get more power (drive closer to saturation) with less heating (higher efficiency and lower quiescent current) and less IMD. All for a cost of hardware feedback + programming. I am all for 50V (or higher) for high power amps. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Re-SS30DV-feedback-OT-tp7608653p7608673.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w4das at comcast.net Sat Oct 3 16:40:51 2015 From: w4das at comcast.net (Doug Shields) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 16:40:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 Pre-wound Toroids for sale Message-ID: <002d01d0fe1b$cb713330$62539990$@comcast.net> Hello everyone, I have an extra set of pre-wound toroids for the KAT100 auto-tuner for sale. These are from Mychael Morohovich and are of his normal very high quality. I got them with a KAT100 kit but I prefer to wind the toroids myself. Mychael gets $37.50 plus $8.00 for postage. I will sell the exact same toroid set for $30 shipped via Priority Mail in the US. Doug W4DAS From rcrgs at verizon.net Sat Oct 3 17:54:14 2015 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2015 21:54:14 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) filter setting shifts panadapter display Message-ID: <56104E86.6010308@verizon.net> I have a K3 [w/ new synthesizer], an LP-Pan, M-Audio Delta, and running NaP3v4. K3 filters are: 2.7/8p, 1.9/8p, 500/8p, 200/5p. Not sure "where" this is happening, but decided to start here. On CW, using the K3 CWT to center a signal, the pan display frequency for the signal shifts around as follows: Filter Freq Display 2.7 2,104cps high 1.9 1,580cps high 500 888cps high 200 1,730cps high Note, NaP3's "global offset" is zero'd on WWV at 10MHz. I've reached a barren bottom trying to figure this out, and I'd appreciate any wisdom that others have to offer. Thanks. ...robert -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 03:09:41 2015 From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 07:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Cheap ref osc to lock K3 In-Reply-To: <560FF1CB.1070307@nc.rr.com> References: <560FF1CB.1070307@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: I bought a module like that. If you set the output frequency to something that divides evenly into 48MHz, then the output is quite stable. Otherwise, if you set it to something else like 10MHz, the jitter is quite obvious on the scope. It is fine for jobs like calibrating a frequency counter or zero-beating a transceiver. You'd probably want to smooth out the jitter though if you want to use it for a K3 reference oscillator. 73, Matt VK2RQ Envoy? ? partir d'Outlook On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 8:19 AM -0700, "brian" wrote: LA3ZA used a UBLOX NEO-7 GPS unit to lock his K3. This $20 unit including complete development board can be obtained here. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301199083821 It's tiny, has a patch antenna (although a $10 active antenna works better) and consumes under 60ma. It can be powered from +5v or a USB port. It fits in a 2"x3" box. Once set up it is stand alone not requiring a computer connection. There was some question as to whether the jitter of the unit would disqualify it as a decent ref osc. A posting on the SpectrumLab group indicated that it seems quite adequate for K3 disciplining. SpectrumLabUsers at yahoogroups.com Accuracy within 0.02 to 0.03 Hz of a Rb standard. Output spectrum seems to indicate that jitter is not a problem for this purpose. 73 de Brian/K3KO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to matt.vk2rq at gmail.com From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Sun Oct 4 04:12:32 2015 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 01:12:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) filter setting shifts panadapter display In-Reply-To: <56104E86.6010308@verizon.net> References: <56104E86.6010308@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1443946352280-7608678.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm seeing something similar, but I'm not sure if it's the same effect or something related. Using 400 Hz bandwidth and a 400 Hz roofing filter, and using Auto to zero-beat a CW signal, I consistently get the P3's center frequency to be too low - in this example about 45 Hz too low. See screen capture here: http://folk.uio.no/sverre/LA3ZA/Offset-P3-K3-400HzXFIL-LA3ZA.jpg RobertG wrote > On CW, using the K3 CWT to center a signal, the pan display frequency > for the signal shifts around as follows: ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-filter-setting-shifts-panadapter-display-tp7608675p7608678.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Sun Oct 4 04:14:10 2015 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 01:14:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) filter setting shifts panadapter display In-Reply-To: <1443946352280-7608678.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <56104E86.6010308@verizon.net> <1443946352280-7608678.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1443946450016-7608679.post@n2.nabble.com> That should be *too high*, not too low. Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote > I consistently get the P3's center frequency to be too low - in this > example about 45 Hz too low. See screen capture here: > > http://folk.uio.no/sverre/LA3ZA/Offset-P3-K3-400HzXFIL-LA3ZA.jpg ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-filter-setting-shifts-panadapter-display-tp7608675p7608679.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From vk3od at yahoo.com Sun Oct 4 06:39:59 2015 From: vk3od at yahoo.com (Charlie Delta) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 03:39:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] SS30DV feedback OT Message-ID: <1443955199.75945.YahooMailBasic@web161601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Very impressive indeed. Pre-distortion will hopefully be made available as a option for the K3 in the future. That would be a superb option if it does become available. What these results however do confirm is that pre-distortrion is worth implimenting and that it does work very well. The work by N1JEZ also confirms that current LDMOS amplifiers do not have acceptable levels of IMD performance, especially at higher powers. In my opinion based on the IMD data by N1JEZ they are inherently very dirty. I have not seen a working example of a LDMOS amplifier that I would consider clean when compared against even a pair of 3-500's. I have studied the NXP datasheets for these devices and have found that LDMOS devices like the BLF574 can produce excellent IMD performance. The BLF574 according to the data sheet at 200 watts of ouput and 1200ma of idle current is capable of -40dbc 3rd order IMD performance. I have not seen data for the higher order products but this figure is good. I have been working on a homebrew LDMOS solid state amplifier for my K3 and have not decided what devices I will use in the design. I do have a MRF150/EB104 amplifier that works very well and it has very good IMD performance. I would like to try these LDMOS designs. I wont however waste effort on a marginally poor IMD PA. Homebrewing is a lot of effort and I cant see the point of spending dollars and time on any project when it does not meet acceptable technical standards like IMD performance.. I wonder when we will see pre-distortion in a commercial ham radio tranceiver outside of the experimental devlopments like HPSDR. Is Elecraft working on a pre-distortion implimentation? 73 Craig "With bias, 12V transistors are class B or AB, not C. See http://flarc.net/eme-info/PDF/N1JEZ-2.pdf. Ignacy, NO9E" From paulbradbeer at paulbradbeer.plus.com Sun Oct 4 09:10:05 2015 From: paulbradbeer at paulbradbeer.plus.com (paulbradbeer) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 14:10:05 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3s/100 and P3 (UK/Europe) Message-ID: For sale, my 2-month old K3s/100 ?#10187 fitted with KAT3A, 2.7kHz, 2.4kHz, 400hz, ?plus K144xv and Reflock. UK value new of UKP 3580, selling for UKP 2980.....save 600 pounds!Also, bought at the same time, P3 ?#3836 (no SVGA). UK value UKP 710, selling for UKP 550. All excellent condition, all manuals, non - smoking household. Prefer buyer collect (Lincoln), or buyer pays carriage. Excellent chance to get an as-new loaded K3s and P3. Photos on request; serious enquiries only please. Paul Bradbeer M0CVX. Sent from Samsung tablet Sent from Samsung tablet From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 09:29:28 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 09:29:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Announcement Message-ID: Today's Elecraft SSB Net will meet at 18:00 UTC on 14.3035 +/-. I will be net control from my QTH in Roswell, GA, just north of Atlanta. The weather here has been miserable the last few days, but maybe band conditions will behave for us today. See everyone on the net. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624 North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 From ae5x at juno.com Sun Oct 4 09:43:09 2015 From: ae5x at juno.com (ae5x at juno.com) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 13:43:09 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] Question on P3 operation Message-ID: <20151004.084309.25604.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> >From the P3 manual" "VFO A has a green cursor and VFO B has a magenta cursor unless split mode is activated at the K3. In split mode, the VFO B cursor changes to red as a reminder that you will transmit on that frequency." Just to verify, is this true even without a sub-rx? In other words, with SPLIT enabled (and no sub-rx) can I still move the cursor on the P3 for VFO-B with the VFO-B knob on the K3? John AE5X https://tatqrp.wordpress.com ____________________________________________________________ Meet the Graviteers: Cristin Nicholson Hi, i'm Cristin. I could eat empanadas for breakfast, lunch and dinner. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/56112d5749a282d563fecst03vuc From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sun Oct 4 09:50:35 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 09:50:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] For CW ops Message-ID: <56112EAB.6000909@nycap.rr.com> The CW website http://www.radiotelegraphy.net/ will closing at the end of October 2015. The time has come in my life to simplify things, so the site is for sale - only to a good home. Sale price is very negotiable, however, the buyer must have a demonstrated serious interest in the site's subject. I just do not wish to see the collection of information lost. Thanks, Bill W2BLC From mhvnmn at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 10:04:46 2015 From: mhvnmn at gmail.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 10:04:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] For CW ops In-Reply-To: <56112EAB.6000909@nycap.rr.com> References: <56112EAB.6000909@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: Oh, no! Your set of hyperlinks, ALL OF WHICH WORKED FOR ME, were so helpful in reintroducing me to radiotelegraphy after 40 dormant years. I want you to know how grateful I am for your diligence in finding all those sites and in keeping up the link validity. And I'm positive that I'm not alone in my gratitude. Thank you, Bill. -- Marc W8SDG > On Oct 4, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Bill wrote: > > The CW website http://www.radiotelegraphy.net/ will closing at the end of October 2015. > > The time has come in my life to simplify things, so the site is for sale - only to a good home. Sale price is very negotiable, however, the buyer must have a demonstrated serious interest in the site's subject. I just do not wish to see the collection of information lost. > > Thanks, > > Bill W2BLC > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mhvnmn at gmail.com From k2mk at comcast.net Sun Oct 4 10:44:43 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 07:44:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Question on P3 operation In-Reply-To: <20151004.084309.25604.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20151004.084309.25604.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1443969883788-7608686.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi John, I can speak for the small U shaped cursors. My explanation might be incorrect for the tall cursors. Yes, VFO-A is green and VFO-B is magenta. The magenta cursor doesn't change to red. A third cursor, red, appears when you are transmitting on an offset frequency. You will see it when you turn on split or when you turn on XIT or RIT. Normally the red and magenta overlap so you may not see magenta. You will see red and magenta sort of overlapping if you fiddle with your bandwidth. Yes, turning VFO-B will move the magenta and red cursors. If they move off of the screen you will see a magenta and a red arrow (if your transmit frequency is offset) or just a magenta arrow. All of this applies whether you have a SUB RX or not. 73, Mike K2MK ae5x at juno.com wrote > From the P3 manual" > "VFO A has a green cursor and VFO B has a magenta cursor unless split mode > is activated at the K3. In split mode, the VFO B cursor changes to red as > a reminder that you will transmit on that frequency." > > Just to verify, is this true even without a sub-rx? In other words, with > SPLIT enabled (and no sub-rx) can I still move the cursor on the P3 for > VFO-B with the VFO-B knob on the K3? > > John AE5X > https://tatqrp.wordpress.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Question-on-P3-operation-tp7608683p7608686.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Oct 4 10:47:48 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 10:47:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Question on P3 operation In-Reply-To: <20151004.084309.25604.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20151004.084309.25604.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <56113C14.5060905@embarqmail.com> John, The VFO B has no direct relationship to the subRX. The K3 simply has 2 VFOs - try to think of it that way rather than anything about the subRX. While it is a fact that with the subRX installed, VFO B is normally used for tuning the subRX, but that can be altered. Without the subRX installed, and with SPLIT activated, VFO B will control the transmit frequency. Observe the 'arrow' on the right of the display which indicates which VFO will be used for transmit. The VFO B cursor on the P3 is another reminder of the TX VFO. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/4/2015 9:43 AM, ae5x at juno.com wrote: > >From the P3 manual" > "VFO A has a green cursor and VFO B has a magenta cursor unless split mode is activated at the K3. In split mode, the VFO B cursor changes to red as a reminder that you will transmit on that frequency." > > Just to verify, is this true even without a sub-rx? In other words, with SPLIT enabled (and no sub-rx) can I still move the cursor on the P3 for VFO-B with the VFO-B knob on the K3? > From dave at nk7z.net Sun Oct 4 11:39:44 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 08:39:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Windows 7 AGC on Input Message-ID: <1443973184.7550.66.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Hello, I am trying to solve a slight digital problem, using my K3. I suspect that Windows 7 has an AGC of some type on it controlling the Line Input levels. Can someone verify if this is true, and if so, is there a way to disable the AGC on input? -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info From bsusb at k5dkz.com Sun Oct 4 12:43:48 2015 From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bsusb) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 10:43:48 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 and KXPACBL Ser#1566 FOR SALE Message-ID: <20151004104348.cf1a0b38acef3f1d2f8b2603@k5dkz.com> Assembled and tested works perfectly with the KX3. New price is $790. You can have this one for $550 plus shipping. 20 lb package from 75080. ----- Also have a Kenwood PS-30 linear supply with APP connectors to match the KXPA100 power cable. Absolutely no chance of switching noise from this supply. $80 plus shipping. 35 lb package from 75080. -- bsusb From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sun Oct 4 12:02:29 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 12:02:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] For CW ops In-Reply-To: <56112EAB.6000909@nycap.rr.com> References: <56112EAB.6000909@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <08ac01d0febe$132445d0$396cd170$@carolinaheli.com> Bill, What's required to maintain the site and how much do you want for it? -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 9:51 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] For CW ops The CW website http://www.radiotelegraphy.net/ will closing at the end of October 2015. The time has come in my life to simplify things, so the site is for sale - only to a good home. Sale price is very negotiable, however, the buyer must have a demonstrated serious interest in the site's subject. I just do not wish to see the collection of information lost. Thanks, Bill W2BLC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sun Oct 4 12:04:06 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 12:04:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S odd KAT3A behavior and question In-Reply-To: <560F43F5.9090103@blomand.net> References: <06ea01d0fd44$a815f880$f841e980$@carolinaheli.com> <560F401C.8040305@blomand.net> <560F43F5.9090103@blomand.net> Message-ID: <08ae01d0febe$4dcfcdd0$e96f6970$@carolinaheli.com> Operator error. I somehow had Ant 2 selected which begs the question as to how I was receiving signals at all (nothing is connected to ant 2). Selecting the actual antenna and such works 100%. From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX [mailto:rmcgraw at blomand.net] Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 10:57 PM To: Jerry Moore; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S odd KAT3A behavior and question I tried this a couple of times with my K3S. Didn't notice any difference between the tuner active and tuner bypassed. Tuner insertion loss is in the order of 1.0 dB or less when matched, depending on which side of 50 ohms it is required to match. Very low Z matches tend to show a bit more loss than values above 50 ohms. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/2/2015 9:44 PM, Jerry Moore wrote: I only tuned enough to not be on top of the station. On October 2, 2015 10:40:28 PM EDT, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: If I understand this correctly. It seems you set / tuned the ATU for a higher frequency, being the 2nd frequency where you listened, then moved back down band with out retuning. It would seem then the ATU would be set for some frequency other than the one you were receiving. Yes, going to bypass might indeed likely show a higher received signal. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/2/2015 2:00 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: I was playing with my K3S listening to code on 40m. I could clearly hear the signal but it wasn't loud. I spun the dial up a good bit and listened, nothing heard after about a minute so I pressed ATU Tune. The ATU clicked a few times and stopped. I spun back down where I was (somewhere around 7.033MHz) and dialed in the signal. Sounded about the same. Just for grins I did a long press ATU Tune (ATU) to BYPASS. The signal immediately jumped over S9 (was around S7 before). That didn't make sense so I repeated the process a few times with the same results. From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com Sun Oct 4 12:08:17 2015 From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 11:08:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3} View a range of frequencies? Message-ID: <56114EF1.20306@wi.rr.com> Hello all, I am relatively new to owning a P3 / SVGA combo and have done some searching and wonder if the following way of operating is possible? Let's say you have a DX station operating on 14025 and listening 5 to 10 up. VFO A is on 14025 and VFO B is split on the 2nd receiver tuning the 14030 to 14035 range. Is there a way to display the spectrum from 14030 to 14035, filling the width of the screen? I would like to take advantage of being able to look for holes or the station the DX station is working, taking advantage of the big wide screen. -- 73, Gary K9GS Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com CW Ops #1032 http://www.cwops.org ************************************************ From kevinr at coho.net Sun Oct 4 12:48:23 2015 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 09:48:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <56115857.6080903@coho.net> Good Morning, Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From n5ge at n5ge.com Sun Oct 4 13:40:00 2015 From: n5ge at n5ge.com (Amateur Radio Operator N5GE) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:40:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Pausing Message-ID: Howdy, I have a p3 that I have connected to a 1024 by 768 monitor. Today I noticed that on both the monitor and the P3 pause about evey 6 seconds for one second and repeat the routine again. I've never noticed that behavior before. The P3 has all of the upgrades except the P3 TX Monitor and is connected to a new K3S. What might be causing that behavior? Thanks, ARS N5GE From droese at necg.de Sun Oct 4 13:45:05 2015 From: droese at necg.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Oliver_Dr=c3=b6se?=) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 19:45:05 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S odd KAT3A behavior and question In-Reply-To: <08ae01d0febe$4dcfcdd0$e96f6970$@carolinaheli.com> References: <06ea01d0fd44$a815f880$f841e980$@carolinaheli.com> <560F401C.8040305@blomand.net> <560F43F5.9090103@blomand.net> <08ae01d0febe$4dcfcdd0$e96f6970$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <561165A1.7020408@necg.de> Not sure about the new KAT3A but the KAT3 relays only have about 30 dB isolation so even with ANT2 selected and nothing connected to it you will still hear strong signals coupling in from ANT1. 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 04.10.2015 um 18:04 schrieb ae4pb at carolinaheli.com: > Operator error. I somehow had Ant 2 selected which begs the question as to how I was receiving signals at all (nothing is connected to ant 2). Selecting the actual antenna and such works 100%. > > > > > > From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX [mailto:rmcgraw at blomand.net] > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 10:57 PM > To: Jerry Moore; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S odd KAT3A behavior and question > > > > I tried this a couple of times with my K3S. Didn't notice any difference between the tuner active and tuner bypassed. > > Tuner insertion loss is in the order of 1.0 dB or less when matched, depending on which side of 50 ohms it is required to match. Very low Z matches tend to show a bit more loss than values above 50 ohms. > > > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > > On 10/2/2015 9:44 PM, Jerry Moore wrote: > > I only tuned enough to not be on top of the station. > > On October 2, 2015 10:40:28 PM EDT, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: > > If I understand this correctly. It seems you set / tuned the ATU for a > higher frequency, being the 2nd frequency where you listened, then moved > back down band with out retuning. It would seem then the ATU would be > set for some frequency other than the one you were receiving. Yes, > going to bypass might indeed likely show a higher received signal. > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > > On 10/2/2015 2:00 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > > I was playing with my K3S listening to code on 40m. I could clearly hear the > signal but it wasn't loud. I spun the dial up a good bit and listened, > nothing heard after about a minute so I pressed ATU Tune. The ATU clicked a > few times and stopped. I spun back down where I was (somewhere around > 7.033MHz) and dialed in the signal. Sounded about the same. Just for grins I > did a long press ATU Tune (ATU) to BYPASS. The signal immediately jumped > over S9 (was around S7 before). That didn't make sense so I repeated the > process a few times with the same results. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to droese at necg.de > From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Sun Oct 4 13:45:47 2015 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:45:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3} View a range of frequencies? In-Reply-To: <56114EF1.20306@wi.rr.com> References: <56114EF1.20306@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <561165CB.9080905@sunflower.com> Gary, use the SPAN button on the front of the P3 to narrow the kHz covered. It will automatically adjust on your big flat screen too. As I recall, adjustments like this track by band, but not sure. Just try that. 73 Phil W0XI Lawrence KS > Gary K9GS > Sunday, October 04, 2015 11:08 AM > Hello all, > > I am relatively new to owning a P3 / SVGA combo and have done some > searching and wonder if the following way of operating is possible? > > Let's say you have a DX station operating on 14025 and listening 5 to > 10 up. VFO A is on 14025 and VFO B is split on the 2nd receiver > tuning the 14030 to 14035 range. > > Is there a way to display the spectrum from 14030 to 14035, filling > the width of the screen? I would like to take advantage of being able > to look for holes or the station the DX station is working, taking > advantage of the big wide screen. > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From netbsd21 at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 14:29:43 2015 From: netbsd21 at gmail.com (Scott) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 13:29:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Windows 7 AGC on Input In-Reply-To: <1443973184.7550.66.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <1443973184.7550.66.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <56117017.50909@gmail.com> Hi David, I'm not sure I'd call it a Win7 AGC but there are two controls regarding audio input. On my Win7 box I have a special app for the soundcard installed (Realtek in my case) in control panel. This app has three controls for Line In settings. Additionally under control panel is another Win7 App "Sounds". This also has controls for a "microphone". You must highlight the microphone with a single click to get the configuration button to "come alive". Several more settings in there. Make sure you disable all of the Win7 sound schemes. Hope this helps. Scott AD5HS On 10/4/2015 10:39 AM, David Cole wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to solve a slight digital problem, using my K3. I suspect > that Windows 7 has an AGC of some type on it controlling the Line Input > levels. > > Can someone verify if this is true, and if so, is there a way to disable > the AGC on input? > From n5ge at n5ge.com Sun Oct 4 14:31:33 2015 From: n5ge at n5ge.com (Amateur Radio Operator N5GE) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 13:31:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Pausing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4or21bld0dlgnjsogbplkppe78j1og56qf@4ax.com> All, I turned the P3 off and on again. Both the P3 and the monitor flickered and floped around for about 2 seconds and began performing as they should. Go figure :-?) On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:40:00 -0500, I wrote: >Howdy, > >I have a p3 that I have connected to a 1024 by 768 monitor. > >Today I noticed that on both the monitor and the P3 pause about evey 6 >seconds for one second and repeat the routine again. > >I've never noticed that behavior before. > >The P3 has all of the upgrades except the P3 TX Monitor and is >connected to a new K3S. > >What might be causing that behavior? > >Thanks, > > > >ARS N5GE > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to n5ge at n5ge.com ARS N5GE From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 14:43:31 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 14:43:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Results Message-ID: Band conditions were a little bit better today, at least for a while. We had 24 check-ins today, and even a couple of stations who previously couldn't hear me. Here are today's check-ins: KM4IK Ian GA K3 281 NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 N6JW John CA K3 936 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 WB5JJA Ray OK K3 7877 VE3XM Bob ON K3 409 W2RWA Dick NY K3 2603 KC9LIF Kent IL K2 6896 WA4WW Porter FL KX3 7927 WA0BEU Keith CO KX3 114 K6VWE Stan MI K3 650 W7QHD Curt AZ K2 1538 NJ5W Rick TX K3 7411 K1NW Brian RI K3 3974 W8FLT Mike MI K3 3023 WB2ART Ken NY KX3 4743 KC8HXO Greg MI K3 270 KK4YEL Kevin FL KX3 7663 KC9USC Robert IL KX3 4460 W4DML Doug TN K3 6433 W6RKE Jerry WA K3S 10242 KE7HGE Ken WA KX3 4540 K4GC Gary NC K3 1697 We also had a few questions from W8FLT: 1. What would he use as a mic connector for a desk mic, to connect to the front panel mic connector on the K3? I recommended a Kenwood 8-pin adapter, available at your favorite retailer for amateur radio supplies, whether on-line or brick-and-mortar. 2. Should you back up your configuration before upgrading firmware on the K3? My answer is that you should always back up your configuration before making any change to the rig, so you have a recovery point, should you need it. 3. Mike is using an L4B amp and wanted a suggestion on getting a signal to the amp, from the K3, for tuning purposes. A couple of people on the net suggested turning power down to an acceptable level and using the XMIT button on the rig. If anyone has any other suggestions/answers to any of these questions, please reply to the mailing list so we can all grow and learn. Finally, I have about three or four more weeks where I can feel fairly certain I'll be home from Temple with my family to call the net. Once we go back onto standard time in the US the first weekend in November, I can't guarantee I'll be home by 1:00 PM EST to call the net. If there is someone who can take over the net at that point, please let me know. I don't want to see this net fade away simply because the time change affects my availability. Thanks everyone. See you here next week! 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624 North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Sun Oct 4 15:42:40 2015 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 12:42:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Cheap ref osc to lock K3 In-Reply-To: References: <560FF1CB.1070307@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <1443987760240-7608700.post@n2.nabble.com> My experience is that the simple GPS-based 10 MHz reference works well with the K3. The K3 is quoted as measuring frequency to 1 Hz accuracy, implying a measurement time of the order of 1 second. That seems to be enough to smooth out the jitter from the Neo-7M. Of course, there are better solutions around, but why spend money on something which is unnecessary? My experience including build instructions was posted on my blog yesterday: http://la3za.blogspot.no/2015/10/just-good-enough-10-mhz-reference.html vk2rq wrote > I bought a module like that. If you set the output frequency to something > that divides evenly into 48MHz, then the output is quite stable. > Otherwise, if you set it to something else like 10MHz, the jitter is quite > obvious on the scope. It is fine for jobs like calibrating a frequency > counter or zero-beating a transceiver. You'd probably want to smooth out > the jitter though if you want to use it for a K3 reference oscillator. > 73, Matt VK2RQ ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Cheap-ref-osc-to-lock-K3-tp7608667p7608700.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From tonybarclay1 at me.com Sun Oct 4 15:54:31 2015 From: tonybarclay1 at me.com (MM6TGN) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 12:54:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] SSB Transmit Problems:K3 In-Reply-To: <32525705.21097.1441384274881.JavaMail.root@vznit170184.mailsrvcs.net> References: <32525705.21097.1441384274881.JavaMail.root@vznit170184.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <1443988471918-7608701.post@n2.nabble.com> Good evening Mark i have just installed the KDVR and it sounds like I am having the same problem as you had. Did you find a solution Thanks Tony Just spent a whole afternoon trying to get the RF tx no joy ----- T Barclay MM6TGN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/SSB-Transmit-Problems-K3-tp7607046p7608701.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From LA3ZA at nrrl.no Sun Oct 4 16:02:21 2015 From: LA3ZA at nrrl.no (Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 13:02:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) filter setting shifts panadapter display In-Reply-To: <1443946450016-7608679.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <56104E86.6010308@verizon.net> <1443946352280-7608678.post@n2.nabble.com> <1443946450016-7608679.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1443988941509-7608702.post@n2.nabble.com> I just learned from an offline email that this can be fixed using the Cal function in the P3 (preferreably after 1 hr warm-up) - and indeed that was the case! Thanks to Bill, NR4C. Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote > That should be * > too high * > , not too low. > Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote >> I consistently get the P3's center frequency to be too low - in this >> example about 45 Hz too low. See screen capture here: >> >> http://folk.uio.no/sverre/LA3ZA/Offset-P3-K3-400HzXFIL-LA3ZA.jpg ----- Sverre, LA3ZA K2 #2198, K3 #3391, LA3ZA Blog: http://la3za.blogspot.com, LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications: http://la3za.blogspot.com/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-filter-setting-shifts-panadapter-display-tp7608675p7608702.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Sun Oct 4 16:11:05 2015 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 16:11:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 help Message-ID: <561187D9.9090704@denstarfarm.us> I have a K3 and the KAT500. Today I realized that when I switched from, say, 10m to 6m that the ANT stayed with ANT-1. In fact, it stays on whatever I manually move it to. I also have ANT3 which is a cantenna dummy load kludge, fwiw. Using the KAT500 Utility I verified that 6m has "Enabled" both #2 and #3. 6 has #2 "Preferred" . 10m, and all HF, has #1 and #3 "Enabled" and #1 Preferred. Inside the KAT500 utility I can switch Auto, manual and bypass.It seems I have full control of the KAT500 with the utility. I removed DC power from both K3 as well as KAT500 after checking. Summary is no matter what band I select on the K3, the KAT500 doe not follow. What can I check, here, to see why the antenna tuner no longer automatically switches when I change bands? -- 73, Bob KD7YZ www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz AmSat LM#901 From k2mk at comcast.net Sun Oct 4 17:40:10 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 14:40:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [P3} View a range of frequencies? In-Reply-To: <56114EF1.20306@wi.rr.com> References: <56114EF1.20306@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <1443994810446-7608704.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Gary, Yes and no. Yes if you are using Tracking Mode where VFO-A is in the center of the screen. Tap the SPAN/CENTER button and change the span width to 5KHz with the P3 knob. Hold the SPAN/CENTER button to bring up the CENTER adjust feature. Turn the P3 knob clockwise to get VFO-A off of the screen. No if you are using Fixed-Tune mode. You cannot get VFO-A off of the screen. 73, Mike K2MK Gary K9GS wrote > Hello all, > > I am relatively new to owning a P3 / SVGA combo and have done some > searching and wonder if the following way of operating is possible? > > Let's say you have a DX station operating on 14025 and listening 5 to 10 > up. VFO A is on 14025 and VFO B is split on the 2nd receiver tuning the > 14030 to 14035 range. > > Is there a way to display the spectrum from 14030 to 14035, filling the > width of the screen? I would like to take advantage of being able to > look for holes or the station the DX station is working, taking > advantage of the big wide screen. > > 73, > Gary K9GS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-View-a-range-of-frequencies-tp7608692p7608704.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From fcady at montana.edu Sun Oct 4 17:55:18 2015 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 21:55:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [P3} View a range of frequencies? In-Reply-To: <1443994810446-7608704.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <56114EF1.20306@wi.rr.com>, <1443994810446-7608704.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: "K3 MK writes: No if you are using Fixed-Tune mode. You cannot get VFO-A off of the screen. Actually you can. Go into the P3 menu and set CenterEn so that Center Key is On." Cheers, Fred KE7X Author of: "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Portable Elecraft KX3 ? Going for the Summit with the KX3 and KX3-2M/4M" ?The Elecraft KX-Line ? The Complete Station? ?The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 ? the K-Line Dream Station? Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com Fred KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide Free KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners ?The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters ? Assembling the KX3-Line Station? printed copy available at www.lulu.com and pdf from www.ke7x.com. ?The Elecraft K3S and P3 ? Getting the Most out from Your High Performance Station? coming very soon. A book dedicated to the K3S upgrades for the K3 and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book are works in progress. ________________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Mike K2MK Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2015 3:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [P3} View a range of frequencies? Hi Gary, Yes and no. Yes if you are using Tracking Mode where VFO-A is in the center of the screen. Tap the SPAN/CENTER button and change the span width to 5KHz with the P3 knob. Hold the SPAN/CENTER button to bring up the CENTER adjust feature. Turn the P3 knob clockwise to get VFO-A off of the screen. No if you are using Fixed-Tune mode. You cannot get VFO-A off of the screen. 73, Mike K2MK Gary K9GS wrote > Hello all, > > I am relatively new to owning a P3 / SVGA combo and have done some > searching and wonder if the following way of operating is possible? > > Let's say you have a DX station operating on 14025 and listening 5 to 10 > up. VFO A is on 14025 and VFO B is split on the 2nd receiver tuning the > 14030 to 14035 range. > > Is there a way to display the spectrum from 14030 to 14035, filling the > width of the screen? I would like to take advantage of being able to > look for holes or the station the DX station is working, taking > advantage of the big wide screen. > > 73, > Gary K9GS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-View-a-range-of-frequencies-tp7608692p7608704.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From kd7yz at denstarfarm.us Sun Oct 4 19:02:50 2015 From: kd7yz at denstarfarm.us (Bob KD7YZ) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 19:02:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 help In-Reply-To: <561187D9.9090704@denstarfarm.us> References: <561187D9.9090704@denstarfarm.us> Message-ID: <5611B01A.2010601@denstarfarm.us> On 04-Oct-15 1611, Bob KD7YZ wrote: > What can I check, here, to see why the antenna tuner no longer > automatically switches when I change bands? > got the answer direct email ... seems due to the extreme rats-nest of cable(s) to 3 XVxx transverters; EME sequencers, KAT500, PC cables and stuff passing back and forth, that I overlooked a slightly removed cable. -- 73, Bob KD7YZ www.qrz.com/db/kd7yz AmSat LM#901 From rcrgs at verizon.net Sun Oct 4 19:08:05 2015 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 23:08:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) filter setting shifts panadapter display In-Reply-To: <56104E86.6010308@verizon.net> References: <56104E86.6010308@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5611B155.40008@verizon.net> I think I solved this... In NaP3 there are options for polling various rig parameters [CAT Polling]. In this section I had polling for "IF Frequency" unchecked. Once checked, all signals stayed where they belong. Not sure what the connection is, but it resoled the display problem. Thanks for everyone's help. It kept me at it till I came across this item. ...robert On 10/3/2015 21:54, Robert G Strickland wrote: > I have a K3 [w/ new synthesizer], an LP-Pan, M-Audio Delta, and running > NaP3v4. K3 filters are: 2.7/8p, 1.9/8p, 500/8p, 200/5p. Not sure "where" > this is happening, but decided to start here. > > On CW, using the K3 CWT to center a signal, the pan display frequency > for the signal shifts around as follows: > > Filter Freq Display > 2.7 2,104cps high > 1.9 1,580cps high > 500 888cps high > 200 1,730cps high > > Note, NaP3's "global offset" is zero'd on WWV at 10MHz. I've reached a > barren bottom trying to figure this out, and I'd appreciate any wisdom > that others have to offer. Thanks. > > ...robert > -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Oct 4 19:40:48 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 15:40:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Cheap ref osc to lock K3 Message-ID: <201510042340.t94Nenw0016470@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> I just bought this GPS for providing accurate time to my computer: ProGin GPS RECEIVER BU-353 (USB) SiRF STAR III ebay: 181887610445 Cost me $24 and change including shipping (from Israel). This is my replacement for Dimension-4 when I pull the internet plug on my XP computer and switch to my laptop for e-mail/internet using win-10. I will then be able to run the XP computer for my ham applications forever without worrying about security sw, upgrading drivers, etc.etc. 73, Ed - KL7UW I'll have to check if it supports frequency reference; But I run a OCXO for that so not needed. From: Matt Maguire To: brian , Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cheap ref osc to lock K3 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I bought a module like that. If you set the output frequency to something that divides evenly into 48MHz, then the output is quite stable. Otherwise, if you set it to something else like 10MHz, the jitter is quite obvious on the scope. It is fine for jobs like calibrating a frequency counter or zero-beating a transceiver. You'd probably want to smooth out the jitter though if you want to use it for a K3 reference oscillator. 73, Matt VK2RQ 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From lists at subich.com Sun Oct 4 20:10:04 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 20:10:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) filter setting shifts panadapter display In-Reply-To: <5611B155.40008@verizon.net> References: <56104E86.6010308@verizon.net> <5611B155.40008@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5611BFDC.2020309@subich.com> > Not sure what the connection is, but it resoled the display problem. The K3 shifts the IF center frequency based on mode, Shift/FC, and selected filter to center the desired signal in the filter. Without knowing the IF center frequency (the IS; Get command), the panadapter [assumed] center frequency will differ from the true IF center freq by approximately +/- 3 KHz. In this section I had polling for "IF Frequency" unchecked. When you enable polling for IF Frequency, NaP3 can correct for the actual IF frequency rather than assume a nominal value for each mode. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/4/2015 7:08 PM, Robert G Strickland wrote: > I think I solved this... > In NaP3 there are options for polling various rig parameters [CAT > Polling]. In this section I had polling for "IF Frequency" unchecked. > Once checked, all signals stayed where they belong. Not sure what the > connection is, but it resoled the display problem. Thanks for everyone's > help. It kept me at it till I came across this item. > ...robert > > On 10/3/2015 21:54, Robert G Strickland wrote: >> I have a K3 [w/ new synthesizer], an LP-Pan, M-Audio Delta, and running >> NaP3v4. K3 filters are: 2.7/8p, 1.9/8p, 500/8p, 200/5p. Not sure "where" >> this is happening, but decided to start here. >> >> On CW, using the K3 CWT to center a signal, the pan display frequency >> for the signal shifts around as follows: >> >> Filter Freq Display >> 2.7 2,104cps high >> 1.9 1,580cps high >> 500 888cps high >> 200 1,730cps high >> >> Note, NaP3's "global offset" is zero'd on WWV at 10MHz. I've reached a >> barren bottom trying to figure this out, and I'd appreciate any wisdom >> that others have to offer. Thanks. >> >> ...robert >> > From jowoc1 at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 22:23:50 2015 From: jowoc1 at gmail.com (Zbigniew Tyrlik) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 22:23:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] tune, Fset, quasar and other tidbits.. Message-ID: Dear group wisdom.. I am reconfiguring my shack. As part of it, trying to set up K3 - mkeyerII - StationMaster - Quadra. Got almost everything working..but. On Yaesu FTDX5K, there is a nice rca jack called ?TX REQ?. Closing this port has an affect similar to pushing TUNE button on K3- rig sends a carrier at predefined power, to be used for tuning amp etc. The Quadra is connected to this port (from Band data 2, pins 9/11 ) for the purpose of tuning amp/tuner.. you push the F-set or tune button on Quadra, and rig automagically delvers the needed power. On K3, I can accomplish same effect by pushing TUNE button, with predefined power. the question is if any of the jacks or lines on ACC can be used to accomplish this same like pushing the TUNE button ? Closing Key in line in cw or USB with CW enabled generates carrier, but at current ( band specific) power level. Maybe can I connect F-set line out of Quadra in parallel with Key line from mkeyerII - any reasons not to do it ? (yes, i spent last few hours going through manuals and googling.. so be gentle, please). vy 73, de KU1T _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 R1200GS IBA 31595 Free thinker, traveler, poet, happy father and husband.... point'n'click view of the world http://www.kleks.org/fotos/ From rcrgs at verizon.net Sun Oct 4 22:56:12 2015 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 02:56:12 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] (K3) filter setting shifts panadapter display In-Reply-To: <5611BFDC.2020309@subich.com> References: <56104E86.6010308@verizon.net> <5611B155.40008@verizon.net> <5611BFDC.2020309@subich.com> Message-ID: <5611E6CC.4020200@verizon.net> Joe... Excellent. Two equipment/function answers for one question. Very much appreciated. Have a good day. ...robert On 10/5/2015 00:10, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> Not sure what the connection is, but it resoled the display problem. > > The K3 shifts the IF center frequency based on mode, Shift/FC, and > selected filter to center the desired signal in the filter. Without > knowing the IF center frequency (the IS; Get command), the panadapter > [assumed] center frequency will differ from the true IF center freq > by approximately +/- 3 KHz. > > In this section I had polling for "IF Frequency" unchecked. > > When you enable polling for IF Frequency, NaP3 can correct for the > actual IF frequency rather than assume a nominal value for each mode. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 10/4/2015 7:08 PM, Robert G Strickland wrote: >> I think I solved this... >> In NaP3 there are options for polling various rig parameters [CAT >> Polling]. In this section I had polling for "IF Frequency" unchecked. >> Once checked, all signals stayed where they belong. Not sure what the >> connection is, but it resoled the display problem. Thanks for everyone's >> help. It kept me at it till I came across this item. >> ...robert >> >> On 10/3/2015 21:54, Robert G Strickland wrote: >>> I have a K3 [w/ new synthesizer], an LP-Pan, M-Audio Delta, and running >>> NaP3v4. K3 filters are: 2.7/8p, 1.9/8p, 500/8p, 200/5p. Not sure "where" >>> this is happening, but decided to start here. >>> >>> On CW, using the K3 CWT to center a signal, the pan display frequency >>> for the signal shifts around as follows: >>> >>> Filter Freq Display >>> 2.7 2,104cps high >>> 1.9 1,580cps high >>> 500 888cps high >>> 200 1,730cps high >>> >>> Note, NaP3's "global offset" is zero'd on WWV at 10MHz. I've reached a >>> barren bottom trying to figure this out, and I'd appreciate any wisdom >>> that others have to offer. Thanks. >>> >>> ...robert >>> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rcrgs at verizon.net > -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 23:06:24 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates, WA6NHC) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 20:06:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Windows 7 AGC on Input In-Reply-To: <1443973184.7550.66.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <1443973184.7550.66.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <9F169D36-DD05-41A6-9F95-C25051C242A8@gmail.com> From my saved email files... it may help/apply. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=--= Found this article posted on the Yahoo Groups Ten-Tec Omni VII group today: https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/3eytah/huge_windows_bug_ruining_your_receive_performance/ The article discusses a Windows Vista and later versions bug when interfacing with an audio device utilizing the Texas Instruments PCM2900 series PCM2904 and below, pre-C revisions device. The article also shows a permanent (software configuration change) fix for the bug. The article states that all Signalink USB digital mode interfaces are affected by this bug. Knowing that some of you are using the Signalink USB, I?m sending you this info in case you were not already aware of it. Some of you may have rigs with a direct computer interface for digital mode operation. Your rig may use the affected TI device. If so, you are also affected. In my case, I use the Signalink USB. When I first installed it, I noted I had to run the Signalink?s RX gain and Codec gain controls very low to get good levels to the computer. As a result, I added a 10:3510 or -51db (voltage) divider on the Signalink?s input (mounted on the rig programming socket inside the unit). Now I know why that was required ? the bug in Windows for the audio device being used. With the bug fix from the article, I have now reverted back to not using the voltage divider. Hopefully, levels are now above noise floor values and results will be better. I?ve also downloaded and installed the digital level meter applet the author mentioned. It is available at http://www.darkwooddesigns.co.uk/pc2/meters.html, about 1/3 down in the page. Hope you find this article useful. -- Rick, WA6NHC iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-) > On Oct 4, 2015, at 8:39 AM, David Cole wrote: > > Hello, > > I am trying to solve a slight digital problem, using my K3. I suspect > that Windows 7 has an AGC of some type on it controlling the Line Input > levels. > > Can someone verify if this is true, and if so, is there a way to disable > the AGC on input? > > -- > Thanks and 73's, > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > www.nk7z.net > > For MixW support see; > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > For Dopplergram information see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > For MM-SSTV see: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com From dave at nk7z.net Sun Oct 4 23:16:37 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 20:16:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Windows 7 AGC on Input In-Reply-To: <9F169D36-DD05-41A6-9F95-C25051C242A8@gmail.com> References: <1443973184.7550.66.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <9F169D36-DD05-41A6-9F95-C25051C242A8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1444014997.7550.152.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Hi, Thank you, however I have been over that one... I think Mike Flowers hit the correct answer... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2015-10-04 at 20:06 -0700, Rick Bates, WA6NHC wrote: > From my saved email files... it may help/apply. > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=--= > > Found this article posted on the Yahoo Groups Ten-Tec Omni VII group > today: https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/3eytah/huge_windows_bug_ruining_your_receive_performance/ > > > > The article discusses a Windows Vista and later versions bug when > interfacing with an audio device utilizing the Texas > Instruments PCM2900 series PCM2904 and below, pre-C revisions device. > The article also shows a permanent (software configuration change) fix > for the bug. > > > > The article states that all Signalink USB digital mode interfaces are > affected by this bug. > > > > Knowing that some of you are using the Signalink USB, I?m sending you > this info in case you were not already aware of it. > > > > Some of you may have rigs with a direct computer interface for digital > mode operation. Your rig may use the affected TI device. If so, you > are also affected. > > > > In my case, I use the Signalink USB. When I first installed it, I > noted I had to run the Signalink?s RX gain and Codec gain controls > very low to get good levels to the computer. As a result, I added a > 10:3510 or -51db (voltage) divider on the Signalink?s input (mounted > on the rig programming socket inside the unit). Now I know why that > was required ? the bug in Windows for the audio device being used. > With the bug fix from the article, I have now reverted back to not > using the voltage divider. Hopefully, levels are now above noise > floor values and results will be better. I?ve also downloaded and > installed the digital level meter applet the author mentioned. It is > available at http://www.darkwooddesigns.co.uk/pc2/meters.html, about > 1/3 down in the page. > > > > Hope you find this article useful. > > -- > > > > > > > > Rick, WA6NHC > > > iPad = small keypad = typos = sorry ;-) > > On Oct 4, 2015, at 8:39 AM, David Cole wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am trying to solve a slight digital problem, using my K3. I > > suspect > > that Windows 7 has an AGC of some type on it controlling the Line > > Input > > levels. > > > > Can someone verify if this is true, and if so, is there a way to > > disable > > the AGC on input? > > > > -- > > Thanks and 73's, > > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: > > www.nk7z.net > > > > For MixW support see; > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info > > For Dopplergram information see: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info > > For MM-SSTV see: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com > > From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk Mon Oct 5 09:03:22 2015 From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham g3tct) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 14:03:22 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Odd behaviour using DVR Message-ID: <5612751A.1020601@g3tct.co.uk> I'm using my KX3 in a ssb contest and calling cq with a message recorded in the DVR. I tap MSG, hold 1 or 2 for a message to be repeated. While transmitting, I unplug the headphones (or plug them in if previously unplugged). This causes it to stop transmitting, the KX3 display goes blank for a moment (scary!) then returns on receive. I've also sometimes had VFO B come back on a different frequency. Plugging or unplugging phones on normal phone transmit has no weird effect. Is this a bug? 73 Graham From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Mon Oct 5 09:20:09 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 09:20:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S / P3 Pre-Purchase questions Message-ID: <099301d0ff70$905bf4f0$b113ded0$@carolinaheli.com> I'm saving up for my next purchase which will likely be the P3 or the SubRX and want to know what the P3 does that my current setup doesn't ? I didn't have the cash to get the P3 during my initial purchase so I have a slightly modified SDR (cost $20+shipping) connected to my K3S monitored on my laptop by HDSDR softeware. I get a full display of the IF spectrum showing the correct and current frequency. I can click on any signal and the radio automatically tunes there, view the audio, hear the audio on my laptop if I choose. For $14 each I added x2 - 15" Monitors for a total of 3 displays. Most of my operating will have a laptop for logging so that's not an issue. I'm currently running the latest version of HRD but am considering a different RIG control software that's more specific to the K3S but it will need to integrate with the rest of the HRD suite. So the question is: what will the P3 do for me that I don't already have? I definitely see a huge benefit of seeing the radio IF signals and am looking at a setup for the CW thing to watch the entire IF if possible. I will be getting the P3 eventually regardless but it's priority has changed from "need/very nice to have" to "want/integrated feature". Comments/suggestions on or off-list welcome. Probably best to answer off list. Thanks in advance. Jerry Moore AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 An Amatuer is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. From bob at hogbytes.com Mon Oct 5 09:23:17 2015 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 06:23:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Odd behaviour using DVR In-Reply-To: <5612751A.1020601@g3tct.co.uk> References: <5612751A.1020601@g3tct.co.uk> Message-ID: <1444051397132-7608716.post@n2.nabble.com> Are you using headphones only or headphones w/mic -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Odd-behaviour-using-DVR-tp7608714p7608716.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From no9e at arrl.net Mon Oct 5 09:34:10 2015 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 06:34:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S / P3 Pre-Purchase questions In-Reply-To: <099301d0ff70$905bf4f0$b113ded0$@carolinaheli.com> References: <099301d0ff70$905bf4f0$b113ded0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <1444052050502-7608717.post@n2.nabble.com> You can look at comparison of LP-PAN and P3 on LP-Pan site. Take adjustment for smaller dynamic range of your $20 stick. Advantages of P3 are: 1. Small size, 2. Independence from PC = stability 3. Ability to change parameters with one pushbutton. Tight integration with K3 including the radio's bandwidth. P3 is especially useful in contesting/Dxing in CW with weak signal. At 2 KHz span one can see signals that are barely heard. I moved from SDR-IQ to P3 and feel it was a good move. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-P3-Pre-Purchase-questions-tp7608715p7608717.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dave at nk7z.net Mon Oct 5 10:05:24 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 07:05:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S / P3 Pre-Purchase questions In-Reply-To: <1444052050502-7608717.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <099301d0ff70$905bf4f0$b113ded0$@carolinaheli.com> <1444052050502-7608717.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1444053924.7750.21.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Hi, Just this morning, I used my P3 to look at the signals answering TX3X, looking for an expanded view, showing 3 KHz wide, and centered on the UP frequency. This allows me to fit into the holes where no one is calling during a pileup... It takes very little time to set this up on the P3. I can, and probably will, create a bush button for it. Then it will take 1 second to set up. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Mon, 2015-10-05 at 06:34 -0700, Ignacy wrote: > You can look at comparison of LP-PAN and P3 on LP-Pan site. Take adjustment > for smaller dynamic range of your $20 stick. > > Advantages of P3 are: > 1. Small size, > 2. Independence from PC = stability > 3. Ability to change parameters with one pushbutton. > Tight integration with K3 including the radio's bandwidth. > > P3 is especially useful in contesting/Dxing in CW with weak signal. At 2 KHz > span one can see signals that are barely heard. > > I moved from SDR-IQ to P3 and feel it was a good move. > > Ignacy, NO9E > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-P3-Pre-Purchase-questions-tp7608715p7608717.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From pauls at elecraft.com Mon Oct 5 12:01:37 2015 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 09:01:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 reverse or inverted tuning display; wrong direction, new owner In-Reply-To: <1443909608371-7608676.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1443909608371-7608676.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <56129ECE.2000508@elecraft.com> Hi Charly, It sounds like what you want is to enable Fixed Tune mode. In Fixed Tune, the spectrum is stationary and the VFO A (and/or B) cursors move up and down. To turn on fixed tune mode, press the menu button, then using the encoder, select the menu item "FixTrack" . Pushing the encoder in will toggle between Tracking and Fixed. You can also map a function key to toggle between Fixed and Tracking. Refer to the manual on how to set a function key. Kind regards, Paul Paul Saffren - N6HZ Project Manager Elecraft Inc. www.elecraft.com On 10/3/2015 3:00 PM, Charly [via Elecraft] wrote: > How can I get the cursor line on P3 to travel up-band when I tune K3 > up-band and get the cursor line to move down-band when I tune the K3 > down-band. P3 is new, and I tried the obvious with no results. > Pse help this ridiculous situation, tnx, Charly K4VUD > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the > discussion below: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-reverse-or-inverted-tuning-display-wrong-direction-new-owner-tp7608676.html > > To unsubscribe from [P3], click here > . > NAML > > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-reverse-or-inverted-tuning-display-wrong-direction-new-owner-tp7608676p7608719.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pmeier at me.com Mon Oct 5 14:55:48 2015 From: pmeier at me.com (Pete Meier) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 12:55:48 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for 400 or 500Hz K3 filter Message-ID: <5471F3B4-5606-4FB4-BA75-A7B2347336CC@me.com> If you have one excess to your needs let me know your asking price. Thanks, Pete WK8S From kg6mti at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 5 15:49:03 2015 From: kg6mti at sbcglobal.net (David Davis) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 13:49:03 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable equipment... Message-ID: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> Hello all, I am very new to the HF world and slowly putting together a portable station. I'm looking for some advice on my next move. I currently have a KX3 (installed KXFL3, KXAT3, KXBC3, KX3-2M), the Elecraft MH3 microphone and a Buddipole deluxe antenna (with extras for different configurations). I also have batteries and solar panels for external power. The two items I have been looking at are the following: 1. PX3 Panadapter 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer Which of these would probably provide the highest return for the investment? Thanks in advance for all the advice. From jbollit at outlook.com Mon Oct 5 16:22:25 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 13:22:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable equipment... In-Reply-To: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> References: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Neither. Get a good "antenna" launcher so you can get some wire up in the air. Lower cost and better value if you want a "portable" station. A friend has a pneumatic launcher and he is happy with it. Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Davis Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 12:49 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Portable equipment... Hello all, I am very new to the HF world and slowly putting together a portable station. I'm looking for some advice on my next move. I currently have a KX3 (installed KXFL3, KXAT3, KXBC3, KX3-2M), the Elecraft MH3 microphone and a Buddipole deluxe antenna (with extras for different configurations). I also have batteries and solar panels for external power. The two items I have been looking at are the following: 1. PX3 Panadapter 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer Which of these would probably provide the highest return for the investment? Thanks in advance for all the advice. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From kx4o at hamradio.me Mon Oct 5 16:28:41 2015 From: kx4o at hamradio.me (John) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 16:28:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable equipment... In-Reply-To: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> References: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <5612DD79.10402@hamradio.me> An antenna analyzer is quite handy, but the PX3 is a big winner for me. Once I repaired my KX3 IQ output circuit, the spectral display came to life and has proven to be a good tool for this and that. It is a bit awkward for backpacking style of operating, but several folks do use it on the trails. I use it often in a portable-plank thing. Information is available in a few of my articles articles... http://www.hamradio.me/?s=PX3 John, kx4o ps Just get both ;) On 10/5/2015 3:49 PM, David Davis wrote: > [. . .] > > The two items I have been looking at are the following: > > 1. PX3 Panadapter > 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer > > Which of these would probably provide the highest return for the > investment? > > Thanks in advance for all the advice. From w0wfh at yahoo.com Mon Oct 5 16:37:54 2015 From: w0wfh at yahoo.com (W0WFH Bill) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 20:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FS K2 with lots of options Message-ID: <467281200.862592.1444077474420.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> For SaleLoadedElecraft K2/100? Options: 100 watt amplifier and RS 232 IO KSB2SSB ADAPTER K60XV-MAND TRANSVERTER ADAPTER KNB2NOISE BLANKER KAF2AUDIO FILTER AND REAL TIME CLOCK K160RX160 METER MODULE WITH RX ANTENNA SWITCH. TOPCOVER WITH BATTERY FOR QRP (CONDITION OF BATTERY UNKNOWN) ALLMANUALS$925.00 plus shipping or best offer. I except Paypal. Bill Hudson, W0WFH1706 Hwy CCLinn, Mo. 65051573-291-5625w0wfh at yahoo.com From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Mon Oct 5 16:45:53 2015 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 20:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Portable equipment... In-Reply-To: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> References: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <114368274.927662.1444077953421.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Well, the two items focus on totally different areas of the ham station. The analyzer will assist you in the various antenna installations to make the system operate properly and efficiently.The panadapter will assist you in the operation of the station, once the station is operating properly If you focus is on going to a lot of places to operate with out the analyzer the ATU will make the KX3 happy, but not make the antenna as efficient as proper tuning of the antenna will do.If your focus is on data modes, the panadapter will certainly be desirable.? The Buddipole has all of the items for 40 and up portable operation, but ground conditions and antenna configuration will tend to make a final adjustment of the antenna necessary to be matched properly, hence some method of looking at SWR. Good luck on your portable operation. Mel, K6KBE From: David Davis To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 12:49 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Portable equipment... Hello all, I am very new to the HF world and slowly putting together a portable station. I'm looking for some advice on my next move. I currently have a KX3 (installed KXFL3, KXAT3, KXBC3, KX3-2M), the Elecraft MH3 microphone and a (with extras for different configurations). I also have batteries and solar panels for external power. The two items I have been looking at are the following: 1. PX3 Panadapter 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer Which of these would probably provide the highest return for the investment? Thanks in advance for all the advice. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Oct 5 16:52:28 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 13:52:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable equipment... In-Reply-To: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> References: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <5612E30C.9050500@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,10/5/2015 12:49 PM, David Davis wrote: > The two items I have been looking at are the following: > > 1. PX3 Panadapter > 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer The answer depends on a lot of things -- your technical background, your operating style and objectives, etc. What do you plan to do with your "portable" station? Backpacking? Driving somewhere to set up? In the wilderness or in a neighborhood park? What do you want to work? What bands, what style? Contesting, summits, lighthouses, casual operation, vacations, etc.? Definitely do NOT waste money on an antenna analyzer until you have real antennas to measure. Besides -- the KX3 has a very good SWR readout built in, so it's easy to use to figure out where your antenna is resonant, and tweak it to length if necessary. If the feedline is short, all you really care about is whether the antenna loads -- push the button to activate the KXAT3 and see if it loads OK (close to full power). The PX3 is VERY useful when trying to find activity on a quiet band, but you must learn to use it first. I agree with the suggestion of some form of launcher to get wires in trees. The tennis ball launcher is great if you're driving to the site, but far too heavy to carry up a trail. For backpacking, something like a "wrist rocket" would be a far better choice. Several of my local friends (AE6RF and N6RNO) are quite skilled at launching wires into trees using nothing more than fishing line with a small heavy weight attached, using their arm as a catapault. Once the line is in the tree, use it to pull up the rope that will hold the antenna. I'm not a fan of Buddipoles -- inefficient, heavy, expensive. I like one of several telescoping fiberglass poles to which it's easy to tape a wire. Buy or improvise one or more fixtures to mount it vertically, buy more wire to use as radials or a counterpoise, and you've got a far more effective antenna for less money. #18 (or even #22) works fine for backpacking. 73, Jim K9YC From phystad at mac.com Mon Oct 5 17:10:48 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 14:10:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable equipment... In-Reply-To: <5612E30C.9050500@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> <5612E30C.9050500@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <0E654EB9-B081-497E-A5AA-F1B9585F5ABD@mac.com> I was going to add my own comments to the original question but I don?t see how I can do anything better than Jim?s comments below. Well, maybe just one thing? I have a Buddipole and I kind of like it. It works great in some situations where the other methods are not as easy to accomplish. I used to do wires up in trees (using a sling shot with fishing line although I use a Bow & Arrow at home ? I also have trees on the property). And, I had a 30 foot push up fiberglass pole that I used as the center for an inverted 20-meter Dipole which is easy to put up. I have a mount I made (or, I used to) fastened on the back of my pickup truck for the pole giving it another 3 feet. I need to fix up a new mount though as I junked the previous one. Of course, this works only when you use your pickup truck as the base station but I am portable in the field doing that (while my wife is busy photographing birds). Unfortunately, I broke the fiberglass pole and need to get a new one someday. However, now that I am more experienced with the Buddipole and I have my own extension mast that I use at times, it is not a bad deal. I operate almost always 20 meters though. But, nothing can beat the cost of wires in trees and if you had to buy pushup fiberglass pole, that is still cheaper than a Buddipole. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Oct 5, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On Mon,10/5/2015 12:49 PM, David Davis wrote: >> The two items I have been looking at are the following: >> >> 1. PX3 Panadapter >> 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer > > The answer depends on a lot of things -- your technical background, your operating style and objectives, etc. What do you plan to do with your "portable" station? Backpacking? Driving somewhere to set up? In the wilderness or in a neighborhood park? What do you want to work? What bands, what style? Contesting, summits, lighthouses, casual operation, vacations, etc.? > > Definitely do NOT waste money on an antenna analyzer until you have real antennas to measure. Besides -- the KX3 has a very good SWR readout built in, so it's easy to use to figure out where your antenna is resonant, and tweak it to length if necessary. If the feedline is short, all you really care about is whether the antenna loads -- push the button to activate the KXAT3 and see if it loads OK (close to full power). > > The PX3 is VERY useful when trying to find activity on a quiet band, but you must learn to use it first. > > I agree with the suggestion of some form of launcher to get wires in trees. The tennis ball launcher is great if you're driving to the site, but far too heavy to carry up a trail. For backpacking, something like a "wrist rocket" would be a far better choice. Several of my local friends (AE6RF and N6RNO) are quite skilled at launching wires into trees using nothing more than fishing line with a small heavy weight attached, using their arm as a catapault. Once the line is in the tree, use it to pull up the rope that will hold the antenna. > > I'm not a fan of Buddipoles -- inefficient, heavy, expensive. I like one of several telescoping fiberglass poles to which it's easy to tape a wire. Buy or improvise one or more fixtures to mount it vertically, buy more wire to use as radials or a counterpoise, and you've got a far more effective antenna for less money. #18 (or even #22) works fine for backpacking. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 17:21:56 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 14:21:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable equipment... In-Reply-To: <0E654EB9-B081-497E-A5AA-F1B9585F5ABD@mac.com> References: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> <5612E30C.9050500@audiosystemsgroup.com> <0E654EB9-B081-497E-A5AA-F1B9585F5ABD@mac.com> Message-ID: <5612E9F4.6060507@gmail.com> Take a look at antennalaunchers.com for a good pneumatic launcher. I have no pecuniary interest but have know the owner for 40 years now and love the launcher. Rick nhc On 10/5/2015 2:10 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > I was going to add my own comments to the original question but I don?t see how I can do anything better than > Jim?s comments below. > > Well, maybe just one thing? > > I have a Buddipole and I kind of like it. > > It works great in some situations where the other methods are not as easy to accomplish. > > I used to do wires up in trees (using a sling shot with fishing line although I use a Bow & Arrow > at home ? I also have trees on the property). And, I had a 30 foot push up fiberglass pole that I used as the center for an inverted 20-meter Dipole which is easy to put up. I have a mount I made (or, I used to) fastened on the back of my pickup truck for the pole giving it another 3 feet. I need to fix up a new mount though as I junked the previous one. Of course, this works only when you use your pickup truck as the base station but I am portable in the field doing that (while my wife is busy photographing birds). Unfortunately, I broke the fiberglass pole and need to get a new one someday. > > However, now that I am more experienced with the Buddipole and I have my own extension mast that I use at times, it is not a bad deal. I operate almost always 20 meters though. > > But, nothing can beat the cost of wires in trees and if you had to buy pushup fiberglass pole, that is still cheaper than a Buddipole. > > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > >> On Oct 5, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >> On Mon,10/5/2015 12:49 PM, David Davis wrote: >>> The two items I have been looking at are the following: >>> >>> 1. PX3 Panadapter >>> 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer >> The answer depends on a lot of things -- your technical background, your operating style and objectives, etc. What do you plan to do with your "portable" station? Backpacking? Driving somewhere to set up? In the wilderness or in a neighborhood park? What do you want to work? What bands, what style? Contesting, summits, lighthouses, casual operation, vacations, etc.? >> >> Definitely do NOT waste money on an antenna analyzer until you have real antennas to measure. Besides -- the KX3 has a very good SWR readout built in, so it's easy to use to figure out where your antenna is resonant, and tweak it to length if necessary. If the feedline is short, all you really care about is whether the antenna loads -- push the button to activate the KXAT3 and see if it loads OK (close to full power). >> >> The PX3 is VERY useful when trying to find activity on a quiet band, but you must learn to use it first. >> >> I agree with the suggestion of some form of launcher to get wires in trees. The tennis ball launcher is great if you're driving to the site, but far too heavy to carry up a trail. For backpacking, something like a "wrist rocket" would be a far better choice. Several of my local friends (AE6RF and N6RNO) are quite skilled at launching wires into trees using nothing more than fishing line with a small heavy weight attached, using their arm as a catapault. Once the line is in the tree, use it to pull up the rope that will hold the antenna. >> >> I'm not a fan of Buddipoles -- inefficient, heavy, expensive. I like one of several telescoping fiberglass poles to which it's easy to tape a wire. Buy or improvise one or more fixtures to mount it vertically, buy more wire to use as radials or a counterpoise, and you've got a far more effective antenna for less money. #18 (or even #22) works fine for backpacking. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com From vk2jng at icloud.com Mon Oct 5 17:28:15 2015 From: vk2jng at icloud.com (Gerard Elijzen) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 07:28:15 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] In need of a power point presentation for KX3 and PX3 Message-ID: <24919AA1-B897-440A-A7EE-52DC7E613D8D@icloud.com> Hi all, I have been asked to give a demo / presentation of the KX3 and PX3 at my local amateur radio club. Can anyone perhaps help if they have already done a presentation using Power Point or a PDF format. Would really appreciate a copy. 73 Gerard VK2JNG From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Mon Oct 5 17:41:45 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (Fred Smith) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 16:41:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable equipment... In-Reply-To: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> References: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <6CC41FF3-30AB-4BDB-BBC5-D994BFBFEA95@totalhighspeed.com> My choice would be the PX3 from using one so long in the shack with a K3. On my KX3 it's pretty bare bones but if only rig or more out of shack use I would use a PX3 with it to locate other usage on the band easily. Fred/N0AZZ Sent from my iPad > On Oct 5, 2015, at 2:49 PM, David Davis wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am very new to the HF world and slowly putting together a portable station. I'm looking for some advice on my next move. > > I currently have a KX3 (installed KXFL3, KXAT3, KXBC3, KX3-2M), the Elecraft MH3 microphone and a Buddipole deluxe antenna (with extras for different configurations). I also have batteries and solar panels for external power. > > The two items I have been looking at are the following: > > 1. PX3 Panadapter > 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer > > Which of these would probably provide the highest return for the investment? > > Thanks in advance for all the advice. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com > From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Mon Oct 5 17:53:40 2015 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 16:53:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable equipment... In-Reply-To: <5612E9F4.6060507@gmail.com> References: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> <0E654EB9-B081-497E-A5AA-F1B9585F5ABD@mac.com> <5612E9F4.6060507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201510051653.40709.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> Since this for the moment has morphed into the "shameless plug dept." the guys up the road from me at the Joplin MO ARC also offer an antenna launcher: http://joplin-arc.org/?page_id=84 Disclaimer: no financial interest etc., just a great bunch of guys who host a top-notch hamfest every year. (Anyone who can bounce back after being whacked by an EF5 tornado gets a "thumbs-up" in my book. I personally saw some of the destruction a few months after it happened and heard some mind-boggling personal accounts of the storm's power from witnesses. But that's probably getting too far off topic....) 73, Al On Mon October 5 2015 4:21:56 pm Rick WA6NHC wrote: > Take a look at antennalaunchers.com for a good pneumatic launcher. I > have no pecuniary interest but have know the owner for 40 years now and > love the launcher. > > Rick nhc > > On 10/5/2015 2:10 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > I was going to add my own comments to the original question but I don?t > > see how I can do anything better than Jim?s comments below. > > > > Well, maybe just one thing? > > > > I have a Buddipole and I kind of like it. > > > > It works great in some situations where the other methods are not as easy > > to accomplish. > > > > I used to do wires up in trees (using a sling shot with fishing line > > although I use a Bow & Arrow at home ? I also have trees on the > > property). And, I had a 30 foot push up fiberglass pole that I used as > > the center for an inverted 20-meter Dipole which is easy to put up. I > > have a mount I made (or, I used to) fastened on the back of my pickup > > truck for the pole giving it another 3 feet. I need to fix up a new > > mount though as I junked the previous one. Of course, this works only > > when you use your pickup truck as the base station but I am portable in > > the field doing that (while my wife is busy photographing birds). > > Unfortunately, I broke the fiberglass pole and need to get a new one > > someday. > > > > However, now that I am more experienced with the Buddipole and I have my > > own extension mast that I use at times, it is not a bad deal. I operate > > almost always 20 meters though. > > > > But, nothing can beat the cost of wires in trees and if you had to buy > > pushup fiberglass pole, that is still cheaper than a Buddipole. > > > > > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > > >> On Oct 5, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> > >> On Mon,10/5/2015 12:49 PM, David Davis wrote: > >>> The two items I have been looking at are the following: > >>> > >>> 1. PX3 Panadapter > >>> 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer > >> > >> The answer depends on a lot of things -- your technical background, your > >> operating style and objectives, etc. What do you plan to do with your > >> "portable" station? Backpacking? Driving somewhere to set up? In the > >> wilderness or in a neighborhood park? What do you want to work? What > >> bands, what style? Contesting, summits, lighthouses, casual operation, > >> vacations, etc.? > >> > >> Definitely do NOT waste money on an antenna analyzer until you have real > >> antennas to measure. Besides -- the KX3 has a very good SWR readout > >> built in, so it's easy to use to figure out where your antenna is > >> resonant, and tweak it to length if necessary. If the feedline is short, > >> all you really care about is whether the antenna loads -- push the > >> button to activate the KXAT3 and see if it loads OK (close to full > >> power). > >> > >> The PX3 is VERY useful when trying to find activity on a quiet band, but > >> you must learn to use it first. > >> > >> I agree with the suggestion of some form of launcher to get wires in > >> trees. The tennis ball launcher is great if you're driving to the site, > >> but far too heavy to carry up a trail. For backpacking, something like a > >> "wrist rocket" would be a far better choice. Several of my local friends > >> (AE6RF and N6RNO) are quite skilled at launching wires into trees using > >> nothing more than fishing line with a small heavy weight attached, using > >> their arm as a catapault. Once the line is in the tree, use it to pull > >> up the rope that will hold the antenna. > >> > >> I'm not a fan of Buddipoles -- inefficient, heavy, expensive. I like one > >> of several telescoping fiberglass poles to which it's easy to tape a > >> wire. Buy or improvise one or more fixtures to mount it vertically, buy > >> more wire to use as radials or a counterpoise, and you've got a far more > >> effective antenna for less money. #18 (or even #22) works fine for > >> backpacking. > >> > >> 73, Jim K9YC > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5jnc at centurytel.net From jim at pandzik.com Mon Oct 5 18:08:40 2015 From: jim at pandzik.com (Jim Pandzik) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 17:08:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable equipment... In-Reply-To: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> References: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <5612F4E8.1060802@pandzik.com> While I love my PX3, I could live without it. With a Buddipole, a good antenna analyzer is essential. It takes out the guesswork. Jim Pandzik KE9PK On 10/5/2015 2:49 PM, David Davis wrote: > Hello all, > > I am very new to the HF world and slowly putting together a portable > station. I'm looking for some advice on my next move. > > I currently have a KX3 (installed KXFL3, KXAT3, KXBC3, KX3-2M), the > Elecraft MH3 microphone and a Buddipole deluxe antenna (with extras > for different configurations). I also have batteries and solar panels > for external power. > > The two items I have been looking at are the following: > > 1. PX3 Panadapter > 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer > > Which of these would probably provide the highest return for the > investment? > > Thanks in advance for all the advice. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at pandzik.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Tue Oct 6 01:14:53 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 22:14:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable equipment... In-Reply-To: <5612E30C.9050500@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I have had good luck with Wireman 534 26 AWG, 19 strand 40% copper-clad steel (OD 0.020"). I have used it for a 2 element 20M wire beam and had it survive wind and snow storms. It is my goto antenna wire for portable operations. 73 Bill AE6JV On 10/5/15 at 1:52 PM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: >I like one of several telescoping fiberglass poles to which >it's easy to tape a wire. Buy or improvise one or more fixtures >to mount it vertically, buy more wire to use as radials or a >counterpoise, and you've got a far more effective antenna for >less money. #18 (or even #22) works fine for backpacking. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The first thing you need when | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | using a perimeter defense is a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | perimeter. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From iw1ayd at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 05:18:02 2015 From: iw1ayd at gmail.com (Salvatore Irato) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:18:02 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] PC<>P3 Hi all. On behalf of a good friend I would ask if there is anyone out there is using or having experience using a configuration like this: PC<>P3<>K3>UB cntrl. Starting from a PC, connecting a P3 and then a K3, all via RS232, then via the same RS232 having chained a Ultrabeam (UB) dynamic antenna controller. I mean a UB as a paralleled target, over TX data for the K3 VFO data, coming from the K3 both as a result of any manual or logger charnges of the K3 QRG. I don't have all this, as I lack the dynamic antenna, but I am pretty sure that somebody had already solved successfully all that. Thus having the Ultrabeam controller getting data from the K3. As to follow with motion, UB, K3 and logger changes to a new band or in band segment changes. Isn't? I ask all this in the more general terms, i.e. cables schema, preferred speeds, reference url's or and so on. Any information could be valuable from whoever had made this working. TU in advance, BTW feel free to drop me a mail out of list, not to use too much space here. 73 de iw1ayd Salvo From d.palmer at btinternet.com Tue Oct 6 06:49:43 2015 From: d.palmer at btinternet.com (Don Palmer) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:49:43 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] EC2 Message-ID: <002301d10024$b78b2ff0$26a18fd0$@palmer@btinternet.com> Before I order an EC2 just wondering if anyone in the UK has one they would like to sell . I'm also looking for a KAT100PNL kit. Thanks Don G6CMV From joel.b.black at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 07:25:15 2015 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 06:25:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Looking to Buy KXBC3 and KX-2M-AT Message-ID: <7ECC5221-FC2F-4F70-9CBD-F92A8F4DD677@gmail.com> Subject line tells it. The 2 m transverter should be the one compatible with the installation of the ATU. Does anyone have either they?d be willing to sell? 73, Joel - W4JBB P.S. Apple Mail wants to spell check transverter to transporter. I wish I could buy a transporter. ;) From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 09:38:15 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:38:15 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] PC<>P3 References: Message-ID: <5613CEC7.4090701@gmail.com> Salvo, I don't have an Ultrabeam, but I have an older Palstar AT-AUTO antenna tuner hooked up like this. I have simply paralleled the RS232 RXD input to the tuner with the TXD line from the P3 that goes to the computer. I did not connect the TXD line of the tuner. The tuner is in a listen-only configuration. In order for this to work, my logging program must be running. It polls the K3 and the tuner sees the data from the K3. I believe some are doing the same thing with SteppIR antennas. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 6 Oct 2015 12:18, Salvatore Irato wrote: > Hi all. > On behalf of a good friend I would ask if there is anyone out there is > using or having experience using a configuration like this: > PC<>P3<>K3>UB cntrl. > Starting from a PC, connecting a P3 and then a K3, all via RS232, then > via the same RS232 having chained a Ultrabeam (UB) dynamic antenna > controller. > I mean a UB as a paralleled target, over TX data for the K3 VFO data, > coming from the K3 both as a result of any manual or logger charnges > of the K3 QRG. > > I don't have all this, as I lack the dynamic antenna, but I am pretty > sure that somebody had already solved successfully all that. Thus > having the Ultrabeam controller getting data from the K3. As to follow > with motion, UB, K3 and logger changes to a new band or in band > segment changes. Isn't? > > I ask all this in the more general terms, i.e. cables schema, > preferred speeds, reference url's or and so on. Any information could > be valuable from whoever had made this working. > > TU in advance, BTW feel free to drop me a mail out of list, not to > use too much space here. > > > 73 de iw1ayd Salvo From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Oct 6 10:30:19 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 10:30:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PC<>P3 References: Message-ID: <5613DAFB.1090105@embarqmail.com> That will work *if* (and only if) the RS-232 drivers in the control box for the UB are capable of being disconnected from their normal RS-232 lines. That is how the SteppIR control box can work in that configuration - it only listens to the RS-232 traffic, it does not send any traffic over the RS-232 connection. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/6/2015 5:18 AM, Salvatore Irato wrote: > Hi all. > On behalf of a good friend I would ask if there is anyone out there is > using or having experience using a configuration like this: > PC<>P3<>K3>UB cntrl. > Starting from a PC, connecting a P3 and then a K3, all via RS232, then > via the same RS232 having chained a Ultrabeam (UB) dynamic antenna > controller. > From don.na6z at yahoo.com Tue Oct 6 12:10:24 2015 From: don.na6z at yahoo.com (Don Putnick) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:10:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] FS: Heil Gold Elite Mic ... References: <994678947.656037.1444147824526.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <994678947.656037.1444147824526.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ... with cable/adapter for K3/K3S. Near mint condition. $99 including shipping and insurance. Please contact me off list. 73 Don NA6Z From w7jw at charter.net Tue Oct 6 12:24:14 2015 From: w7jw at charter.net (Jeff) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 12:24:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) Message-ID: <19A4E53F39AE41B1B6E6CAE45260C20E@w7jwHP> Test de W7JW From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 12:34:07 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 12:34:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <19A4E53F39AE41B1B6E6CAE45260C20E@w7jwHP> References: <19A4E53F39AE41B1B6E6CAE45260C20E@w7jwHP> Message-ID: Congratulations! You passed! Ian, KM4IK On Oct 6, 2015 12:27 PM, "Jeff" wrote: > Test de W7JW > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com > From w2up at comcast.net Tue Oct 6 12:38:07 2015 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 09:38:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S Message-ID: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm aware of a few Elecraft engineers and owners having a Tesla Model S, hence the post. When I first got my Model S, I had no plans to put a 2m radio in it. Now I'm having second thoughts. Wonder if any Model S owners have installed a radio? Feel free to contact me off list at my callsign at arrl.net, if you prefer. Tnx, Barry W2UP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-VHF-radio-in-Tesla-Model-S-tp7608742.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk Tue Oct 6 12:53:54 2015 From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham g3tct) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 17:53:54 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Odd behaviour using DVR In-Reply-To: <1444051397132-7608716.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <5612751A.1020601@g3tct.co.uk> <1444051397132-7608716.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5613FCA2.4040705@g3tct.co.uk> Hi Bob The phones I use have separate mic and phones plugs - I'm only plugging / unplugging the phones. And the phones aren't the problem since it all works fine in normal phone transmit. The problem (stopping the rig from transmitting) only arises when playing a DVR message. I tap MSG, hold 1 or 2 for a message to be repeated. While transmitting, I unplug the headphones (or plug them in if previously unplugged). This causes it to stop transmitting, the KX3 display goes blank for a moment (scary!) then returns on receive. Can anyone else duplicate this problem? Graham On 19:59, Bob N3MNT wrote: > Are you using headphones only or headphones w/mic > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Odd-behaviour-using-DVR-tp7608714p7608716.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > From eric at elecraft.com Tue Oct 6 13:22:07 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 10:22:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands on the air Message-ID: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> TX3X on the the Chesterfield Islands is rolling along with their K3s and KPA500s. See: www.tx3x.com and http://www.dxsummit.fi/#/?dx_calls=TX3X 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Oct 6 13:41:48 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 10:41:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <025FDCE3-1F92-4FF0-B66D-6322D5FA67EC@elecraft.com> Neither Elecraft co-owner has a Tesla, nor are we likely to get them anytime soon, speaking strictly for both of us. I drive a very pragmatic Honda CRV and am coveting a Prius V for its better gas mileage. I prefer not to drive at all, actually. I have a hybrid mountain bike that runs on the equivalent of approx. 0.5 McChicken sandwiches per hour. As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?) Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that elusive next charging station. Wayne N6KR On Oct 6, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Barry wrote: > I'm aware of a few Elecraft engineers and owners having a Tesla Model S, > hence the post. > > When I first got my Model S, I had no plans to put a 2m radio in it. Now > I'm having second thoughts. Wonder if any Model S owners have installed a > radio? > > Feel free to contact me off list at my callsign at arrl.net, if you prefer. > > Tnx, > Barry W2UP From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Tue Oct 6 13:56:13 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (mfsj) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 12:56:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S Message-ID: But the ?POTUS gives rebates to the buyers and backing to the CO. Fred ?N0AZZ? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S6 edge+, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone-------- Original message --------From: Wayne Burdick Date: 10/06/2015 12:41 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Barry Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S Neither Elecraft co-owner has a Tesla, nor are we likely to get them anytime soon, speaking strictly for both of us. I drive a very pragmatic Honda CRV and am coveting a Prius V for its better gas mileage. I prefer not to drive at all, actually. I have a hybrid mountain bike that runs on the equivalent of approx. 0.5 McChicken sandwiches per hour. As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?) Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that elusive next charging station. Wayne N6KR On Oct 6, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Barry wrote: > I'm aware of a few Elecraft engineers and owners having a Tesla Model S, > hence the post.? > > When I first got my Model S, I had no plans to put a 2m radio in it.? Now > I'm having second thoughts.? Wonder if any Model S owners have installed a > radio?? > > Feel free to contact me off list at my callsign at arrl.net, if you prefer. > > Tnx, > Barry W2UP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Oct 6 14:00:38 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:00:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: IMHO the current Tesla is a transitional vehicle on the way to inexpensive cars powered by graphene ultra capacitors instead of Li-ion batteries. POTUS see the future and is moving things along in that direction :) Wayne On Oct 6, 2015, at 10:56 AM, mfsj wrote: > But the POTUS gives rebates to the buyers and backing to the CO. > > Fred N0AZZ From wes at triconet.org Tue Oct 6 14:08:23 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:08:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands on the air In-Reply-To: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> References: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <56140E17.1080403@triconet.org> Rolling along? Twelve ops, seven complete 500W stations and ton of antennas and 21K Q's in 6 days. E6GG with seven ops and four radios made ~ 49k Q's in 12 days. Just sayin' On 10/6/2015 10:22 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > TX3X on the the Chesterfield Islands is rolling along with their K3s and KPA500s. > > See: www.tx3x.com > and > http://www.dxsummit.fi/#/?dx_calls=TX3X > > 73, > > Eric > /elecraft.com/ From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Tue Oct 6 14:10:31 2015 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:10:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <025FDCE3-1F92-4FF0-B66D-6322D5FA67EC@elecraft.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <025FDCE3-1F92-4FF0-B66D-6322D5FA67EC@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <56140E97.8070909@cis-broadband.com> That seems like a pretty mean-spirited snipe at a company that has arguably done more to bring electric vehicles into the mainstream than any other. Other companies may have higher volume and lower cost models out there, but Tesla is the first one with the conviction to prove it can be successful as a standalone business instead of just a side offering to satisfy EPA average mileage requirements. Certainly Tesla has started at the top end of the food chain to do so, but their focus is headed toward the larger market ... demonstrating along the way that electric vehicles don't need to be the underpowered laughing stocks they were typically portrayed as. Dave AB7E On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?) > > Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that elusive next charging station. > > Wayne > N6KR > > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Oct 6 14:13:49 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:13:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands on the air In-Reply-To: <56140E17.1080403@triconet.org> References: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> <56140E17.1080403@triconet.org> Message-ID: <83C98556-7E2D-437A-8099-30A6E82E2CF4@elecraft.com> Maybe the TX3X team actually has a life? (Snorkeling, beer, group sing-a-longs, sleeping, leisurely brunch, more beer....) Wayne On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:08 AM, "Wes (N7WS)" wrote: > Rolling along? Twelve ops, seven complete 500W stations and ton of antennas and 21K Q's in 6 days. > > E6GG with seven ops and four radios made ~ 49k Q's in 12 days. > > Just sayin' > > > > On 10/6/2015 10:22 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> TX3X on the the Chesterfield Islands is rolling along with their K3s and KPA500s. >> >> See: www.tx3x.com >> and >> http://www.dxsummit.fi/#/?dx_calls=TX3X >> >> 73, >> >> Eric >> /elecraft.com/ From jbollit at outlook.com Tue Oct 6 14:17:30 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:17:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And the other side: Our columnist Bret Stephens writes that at the President's Friday press conference, Mr. Obama described alternatives to his Syria policy as "mumbo-jumbo," "half-baked ideas," and "as-if" solutions. "So it is with this president. It's not enough for him to stake and defend his positions. He wants you to know that he thinks deeper, sees further, knows better, operates from a purer motive. His preferred method for dealing with disagreement is denigration," Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:01 AM To: mfsj Cc: Barry; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S IMHO the current Tesla is a transitional vehicle on the way to inexpensive cars powered by graphene ultra capacitors instead of Li-ion batteries. POTUS see the future and is moving things along in that direction :) Wayne On Oct 6, 2015, at 10:56 AM, mfsj wrote: > But the POTUS gives rebates to the buyers and backing to the CO. > > Fred N0AZZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Oct 6 14:15:49 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:15:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <56140E97.8070909@cis-broadband.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <025FDCE3-1F92-4FF0-B66D-6322D5FA67EC@elecraft.com> <56140E97.8070909@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <97E69E07-E21C-4431-8346-239539465AB1@elecraft.com> Dave, It was entirely tongue-in-cheek. See my followup posting. I'm a huge supporter of E-cars in general. I'm just jealous. Wayne ("off-topic"), N6KR On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:10 AM, David Gilbert wrote: > > That seems like a pretty mean-spirited snipe at a company that has arguably done more to bring electric vehicles into the mainstream than any other. Other companies may have higher volume and lower cost models out there, but Tesla is the first one with the conviction to prove it can be successful as a standalone business instead of just a side offering to satisfy EPA average mileage requirements. Certainly Tesla has started at the top end of the food chain to do so, but their focus is headed toward the larger market ... demonstrating along the way that electric vehicles don't need to be the underpowered laughing stocks they were typically portrayed as. > > Dave AB7E > > > > On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?) >> >> Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that elusive next charging station. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Oct 6 14:31:34 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:31:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands on the air In-Reply-To: <56140E17.1080403@triconet.org> References: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> <56140E17.1080403@triconet.org> Message-ID: <56141386.8080804@audiosystemsgroup.com> K6MM has been in contact with several of the ops at TX3X. They have been experiencing pretty awful WX, lots of rain, very high winds. Too much wind to get the 80M and 160M antennas up -- although they have been QRV on 80 in the last 12 hours. I worked them yesterday with 5W on 10M SSB. Here's what he posted to the NCDXC reflector yesterday. 73, Jim K9YC = = = = = Thus far I have been able to work these "local" TX3X operators on SSB: 40MTom, ND2T 20MRoss, K6GFJ 17MSteve, W1SRD 15MKevin, K6TD I volunteered to keep in touch with their families while they're on the DXpedition. My general sense from these "quick chats", is that they are having a miserable time coping with the high winds, rain, sleeping conditions, and Mother Nature in general on Chesterfield. Some of this is documented on the internet, the latest yesterday: http://www.dx-world.net/tx3x-chesterfield-island-dxpedition-2015/ Unfortunately their website and log search function has been down for several hours now: http://TX3X.com Hopefully this is temporary. The biggest problem has been installing their antennas, especially for 80M and 160M because of the high winds. Thus far, they have not been able to activate those bands. The team is still in good spirits, however, and determined to overcome these visits from Murphy. They'll be there another week. Let's wish them good luck. Fingers crossed. My advice: If you've already worked them, try to resist the temptation to rack up a lot of band-modes until the group has had a chance to put as many ATNO QSOs in the log as possible this week. And keep watching those DX cluster spots. 73, John, K6MM On Tue,10/6/2015 11:08 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > Rolling along? Twelve ops, seven complete 500W stations and ton of > antennas and 21K Q's in 6 days. > > E6GG with seven ops and four radios made ~ 49k Q's in 12 days. > > Just sayin' From wa8jxm at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 14:36:41 2015 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 14:36:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands on the air In-Reply-To: <83C98556-7E2D-437A-8099-30A6E82E2CF4@elecraft.com> References: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> <56140E17.1080403@triconet.org> <83C98556-7E2D-437A-8099-30A6E82E2CF4@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <561414B9.3060302@gmail.com> On 10/6/15 2:13 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Maybe the TX3X team actually has a life? (Snorkeling, beer, group sing-a-longs, sleeping, leisurely brunch, more beer....) They can do all of that at home! LOL On the serious side, they and T2GC were both on 40 CW the other morning about 30 kHz apart, both working "UP". The synchronized responses on the panadapter took up at least 60 kHz of the band! I think it was worse than K1N Navassa! Ken WA8JXM From eric at elecraft.com Tue Oct 6 14:36:42 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:36:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <561414BA.7050103@elecraft.com> Folks - Thread closed due to the politically oriented posting below. This is too far OT. As per thread guidelines, please make posts with political comments elsewhere. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 10/6/2015 11:17 AM, jim wrote: > And the other side: > > Our columnist Bret Stephens writes that at the President's Friday press > conference, Mr. Obama described alternatives to his Syria policy as...... From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Tue Oct 6 14:40:03 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (mfsj) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 13:40:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S Message-ID: But only the rich can afford to buy or get rebates on cars like those. Fred N0AZZ? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S6 edge+, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone-------- Original message --------From: Wayne Burdick Date: 10/06/2015 1:00 PM (GMT-06:00) To: mfsj Cc: Barry , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S IMHO the current Tesla is a transitional vehicle on the way to inexpensive cars powered by graphene ultra capacitors instead of Li-ion batteries. POTUS see the future and is moving things along in that direction :) Wayne On Oct 6, 2015, at 10:56 AM, mfsj wrote: > But the? POTUS gives rebates to the buyers and backing to the CO. > > Fred? N0AZZ From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Tue Oct 6 14:47:48 2015 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:47:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <97E69E07-E21C-4431-8346-239539465AB1@elecraft.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <025FDCE3-1F92-4FF0-B66D-6322D5FA67EC@elecraft.com> <56140E97.8070909@cis-broadband.com> <97E69E07-E21C-4431-8346-239539465AB1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <56141754.5030301@cis-broadband.com> Sorry ... my bad. It did sound kind of over-the-top so I should have gotten a clue. My mistake. Dave AB7E On 10/6/2015 11:15 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Dave, > > It was entirely tongue-in-cheek. See my followup posting. I'm a huge supporter of E-cars in general. I'm just jealous. > > Wayne ("off-topic"), N6KR > > > On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:10 AM, David Gilbert wrote: > >> That seems like a pretty mean-spirited snipe at a company that has arguably done more to bring electric vehicles into the mainstream than any other. Other companies may have higher volume and lower cost models out there, but Tesla is the first one with the conviction to prove it can be successful as a standalone business instead of just a side offering to satisfy EPA average mileage requirements. Certainly Tesla has started at the top end of the food chain to do so, but their focus is headed toward the larger market ... demonstrating along the way that electric vehicles don't need to be the underpowered laughing stocks they were typically portrayed as. >> >> Dave AB7E >> >> >> >> On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?) >>> >>> Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that elusive next charging station. >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> > > From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Tue Oct 6 14:50:21 2015 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 18:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <97E69E07-E21C-4431-8346-239539465AB1@elecraft.com> References: <97E69E07-E21C-4431-8346-239539465AB1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <437746115.1486610.1444157421237.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Dream on Wayne, Here is the past running like hell to catch up.? Like a tandem bike on steroids. Volkswagen (VW) 1 Litre Car - Blue Motion - 285 MPG | ? | | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | | Volkswagen (VW) 1 Litre Car - Blue Motion - 285 MPGThe Volkswagen (VW) 1 Litre Car takes their Blue Motion (BlueMotion) eco brand to the highest levels and achieves 285 mpg or 0.99 litres of fuel consumed per 100 km. (Volkswagen Engineering - Germany) | | | | View on theirearth.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | ? | Mel, K6KBE From: Wayne Burdick To: David Gilbert Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S Dave, It was entirely tongue-in-cheek. See my followup posting. I'm a huge supporter of E-cars in general. I'm just jealous. Wayne ("off-topic"), N6KR On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:10 AM, David Gilbert wrote: > > That seems like a pretty mean-spirited snipe at a company that has arguably done more to bring electric vehicles into the mainstream than any other.? Other companies may have higher volume and lower cost models out there, but Tesla is the first one with the conviction to prove it can be successful as a standalone business instead of just a side offering to satisfy EPA average mileage requirements.? Certainly Tesla has started at the top end of the food chain to do so, but their focus is headed toward the larger market ... demonstrating along the way that electric vehicles don't need to be the underpowered laughing stocks they were typically portrayed as. > > Dave? AB7E > > > > On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?) >> >> Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that elusive next charging station. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From dlrwild1 at verizon.net Tue Oct 6 14:53:30 2015 From: dlrwild1 at verizon.net (dlrwild1 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 14:53:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: ElecraftK1 with all options Message-ID: <2BF911FEC44642D8A3F62D2CA74EF76B@hamroomPpc> For Sale: K1 SN2701 mint condition from non smoking home includes these options. I am the second owner. 4 band filter board (KFL-1-4) for 40/30/20/15, KAT-1 antenna tuner, KNB-1 noise blanker, K1BLT back light, KBT-1 internal battery holder, finger dimple knob, custom made stainless steel stand, dust cover by Rose, original top cover with speaker, some spare parts, all documentation ASKING: $475.00 plus split S/H cost and insurance via USPS Priority Mail in CONUS. Contact K3SRO, Bob at dlrwild1 at verizon.net From marrotte at verizon.net Tue Oct 6 15:01:28 2015 From: marrotte at verizon.net (Roger Marrotte) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:01:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Span will only go up to 100Khz Message-ID: <000601d10069$6b31ffe0$4195ffa0$@verizon.net> I received my new PX3 yesterday. It has firmware v1.25. It's connected to my KX3. It seems to be working as advertised and seems to be as good as my P3/K3 combo. My one question is: Why does the span only go up to 100. The manual says it should go up to 200. I've tried turning STEP SPAN on and off. I looked at the manual and searched the web and past emails and found no answer. So, am I doing something wrong? Roger, W1EM From fcady at montana.edu Tue Oct 6 15:15:59 2015 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 19:15:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Span will only go up to 100Khz In-Reply-To: <000601d10069$6b31ffe0$4195ffa0$@verizon.net> References: <000601d10069$6b31ffe0$4195ffa0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Hi Roger, At some point, I don't remember when, in the development of the Fixed-Spectrum - Tuned VFO display mode they had to reduce the maximum span from 200 to 100 kHz. Cheers, Fred KE7x Author of: "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Portable Elecraft KX3 ? Going for the Summit with the KX3 and KX3-2M/4M" ?The Elecraft KX-Line ? The Complete Station? ?The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 ? the K-Line Dream Station? Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners ?The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters ? Assembling the KX3-Line Station? printed copy available at www.lulu.com and pdf from www.ke7x.com. ?The Elecraft K3S and P3 ? Getting the Most out from Your High Performance Station? coming very soon. Plus a book dedicated to the K3S upgrades for the K3 and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book are works in progress. ________________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Roger Marrotte Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 1:01 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Span will only go up to 100Khz I received my new PX3 yesterday. It has firmware v1.25. It's connected to my KX3. It seems to be working as advertised and seems to be as good as my P3/K3 combo. My one question is: Why does the span only go up to 100. The manual says it should go up to 200. I've tried turning STEP SPAN on and off. I looked at the manual and searched the web and past emails and found no answer. So, am I doing something wrong? Roger, W1EM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From lists at subich.com Tue Oct 6 15:31:54 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:31:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <97E69E07-E21C-4431-8346-239539465AB1@elecraft.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <025FDCE3-1F92-4FF0-B66D-6322D5FA67EC@elecraft.com> <56140E97.8070909@cis-broadband.com> <97E69E07-E21C-4431-8346-239539465AB1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <561421AA.5040408@subich.com> From a practical perspective, the "battery with onboard generator" of the Chevrolet Volt is far more practical (and has been around for a very long time as the diesel-electric locomotive). It a real shame that the Volt is out of the price range of ordinary consumers as charge at home with gasoline (or diesel) for long distance range extension is clearly more practical than the limited battery only range of either Tesla or the Nissan Leaf. I only wish that my father had the ability to follow up on his concept for the diesel-electric automobile 50 years ago. Unfortunately neither energy storage (battery technology) nor environmental concerns where as well developed then as they are today. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/6/2015 2:15 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Dave, > > It was entirely tongue-in-cheek. See my followup posting. I'm a huge supporter of E-cars in general. I'm just jealous. > > Wayne ("off-topic"), N6KR > > > On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:10 AM, David Gilbert wrote: > >> >> That seems like a pretty mean-spirited snipe at a company that has arguably done more to bring electric vehicles into the mainstream than any other. Other companies may have higher volume and lower cost models out there, but Tesla is the first one with the conviction to prove it can be successful as a standalone business instead of just a side offering to satisfy EPA average mileage requirements. Certainly Tesla has started at the top end of the food chain to do so, but their focus is headed toward the larger market ... demonstrating along the way that electric vehicles don't need to be the underpowered laughing stocks they were typically portrayed as. >> >> Dave AB7E >> >> >> >> On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> >>> As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?) >>> >>> Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that elusive next charging station. >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From eric at elecraft.com Tue Oct 6 15:45:19 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 12:45:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Span will only go up to 100Khz In-Reply-To: References: <000601d10069$6b31ffe0$4195ffa0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Its up to 200 kHz in tracking mode and 100 kHz in fixed tune. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Oct 6, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Cady, Fred wrote: > > Hi Roger, > At some point, I don't remember when, in the development of the Fixed-Spectrum - Tuned VFO display mode they had to reduce the maximum span from 200 to 100 kHz. > Cheers, > Fred KE7x > Author of: > "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" > "The Portable Elecraft KX3 ? Going for the Summit with the KX3 and KX3-2M/4M" > ?The Elecraft KX-Line ? The Complete Station? > ?The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 ? the K-Line Dream Station? > Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com > KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide > http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide > > KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation > http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners > > ?The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters ? Assembling the KX3-Line Station? printed copy available at www.lulu.com and pdf from www.ke7x.com. > > ?The Elecraft K3S and P3 ? Getting the Most out from Your High Performance Station? coming very soon. > Plus a book dedicated to the K3S upgrades for the K3 and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book are works in progress. > > > ________________________________________ > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Roger Marrotte > Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 1:01 PM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Span will only go up to 100Khz > > I received my new PX3 yesterday. It has firmware v1.25. It's connected to > my KX3. It seems to be working as advertised and seems to be as good as my > P3/K3 combo. My one question is: Why does the span only go up to 100. The > manual says it should go up to 200. I've tried turning STEP SPAN on and > off. I looked at the manual and searched the web and past emails and found > no answer. So, am I doing something wrong? > > > > Roger, W1EM > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From riese-k3djc at juno.com Tue Oct 6 16:03:23 2015 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:03:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S Message-ID: my prius c is fine,, thank you Bob K3DJC On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 11:15:49 -0700 Wayne Burdick writes: > Dave, > > It was entirely tongue-in-cheek. See my followup posting. I'm a huge > supporter of E-cars in general. I'm just jealous. > > Wayne ("off-topic"), N6KR > > From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Tue Oct 6 16:12:20 2015 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:12:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201510061512.21144.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> First, I've been intrigued by electric powered vehicles for a long time. I came very close to buying a Jet Electrica (?) Ford Escort conversion back in the 1980s and have also followed the "homebrew" versions in Home Power mag. However, I'm not a big fan of using tax dollars to promote a particular technology. A better way IMHO would be to get private venture capital behind some of the engineering students who've been involved in Sunrayce (AKA American Solar Challenge) and just get out of the way to see what they can come up with. (Like Wayne and Eric back in the NorCal days?) Also, while Tesla apparently has licked some of the issues, other manufacturers have not. I've only personally seen a few of a well-known US auto manufacturer's recent attempt at an EV. Both of the following were on the interstate: in one case where the terrain is fairly level (at least for western Arkansas) the vehicle was in the right lane running somewhat below the speed limit. In the other case, the vehicle was on the long grade going up the hill to the tunnel (yes, we have a tunnel through the top of a mountain in NW Arkansas!) It was in the right hand lane with its flashers on and was running slower than a lot of the 18 wheelers on that stretch. The expression on the driver's face was very revealing: I'll just say that he didn't appear to be a... ummm... "happy camper...." Just my $0.02 worth. 73, Al On Tue October 6 2015 1:17:30 pm jim wrote: > And the other side: > > Our columnist Bret Stephens writes that at the President's Friday press > conference, Mr. Obama described alternatives to his Syria policy as > "mumbo-jumbo," "half-baked ideas," and "as-if" solutions. "So it is with > this president. It's not enough for him to stake and defend his positions. > He wants you to know that he thinks deeper, sees further, knows better, > operates from a purer motive. His preferred method for dealing with > disagreement is denigration," > > Jim > W6AIM > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick > Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:01 AM > To: mfsj > Cc: Barry; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S > > IMHO the current Tesla is a transitional vehicle on the way to inexpensive > cars powered by graphene ultra capacitors instead of Li-ion batteries. > POTUS see the future and is moving things along in that direction :) > > Wayne > > On Oct 6, 2015, at 10:56 AM, mfsj wrote: > > But the POTUS gives rebates to the buyers and backing to the CO. > > > > Fred N0AZZ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5jnc at centurytel.net From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Tue Oct 6 16:34:56 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (mfsj) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:34:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S Message-ID: Al I agree nothing going to replace my diesel 4x4's in my life time electric that will do the work they do. We have 4 4x4's for work and DD trucks and SUV's would not exchange any for electric if it was free. Fred N0AZZ? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S6 edge+, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone-------- Original message --------From: Al Gulseth Date: 10/06/2015 3:12 PM (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S First, I've been intrigued by electric powered vehicles for a long time. I came very close to buying a Jet Electrica (?) Ford Escort conversion back in the 1980s and have also followed the "homebrew" versions in Home Power mag. However, I'm not a big fan of using tax dollars to promote a particular technology. A better way IMHO would be to get private venture capital behind some of the engineering students who've been involved in Sunrayce (AKA American Solar Challenge) and just get out of the way to see what they can come up with. (Like Wayne and Eric back in the NorCal days?) Also, while Tesla apparently has licked some of the issues, other manufacturers have not. I've only personally seen a few of a well-known US auto manufacturer's recent attempt at an EV. Both of the following were on the interstate: in one case where the terrain is fairly level (at least for western Arkansas) the vehicle was in the right lane running somewhat below the speed limit. In the other case, the vehicle was on the long grade going up the hill to the tunnel (yes, we have a tunnel through the top of a mountain in NW Arkansas!) It was in the right hand lane with its flashers on and was running slower than a lot of the 18 wheelers on that stretch. The expression on the driver's face was very revealing: I'll just say that he didn't appear to be a... ummm... "happy camper...." Just my $0.02 worth. 73, Al On Tue October 6 2015 1:17:30 pm jim wrote: > And the other side: > > Our columnist Bret Stephens writes that at the President's Friday press > conference, Mr. Obama described alternatives to his Syria policy as > "mumbo-jumbo," "half-baked ideas," and "as-if" solutions. "So it is with > this president. It's not enough for him to stake and defend his positions. > He wants you to know that he thinks deeper, sees further, knows better, > operates from a purer motive. His preferred method for dealing with > disagreement is denigration," > > Jim > W6AIM > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick > Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:01 AM > To: mfsj > Cc: Barry; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S > > IMHO the current Tesla is a transitional vehicle on the way to inexpensive > cars powered by graphene ultra capacitors instead of Li-ion batteries. > POTUS see the future and is moving things along in that direction :) > > Wayne > > On Oct 6, 2015, at 10:56 AM, mfsj wrote: > > But the? POTUS gives rebates to the buyers and backing to the CO. > > > > Fred? N0AZZ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5jnc at centurytel.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com From w2up at comcast.net Tue Oct 6 16:57:48 2015 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 13:57:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1444165068411-7608767.post@n2.nabble.com> My apologies for starting this thread. I had no idea it would take such a perverse turn from a simple question. Barry W2UP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-VHF-radio-in-Tesla-Model-S-tp7608742p7608767.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Tue Oct 6 17:17:22 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 14:17:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My Prius is great, too :-) Phil -- Sent from my iPhone 5S > On Oct 6, 2015, at 13:03, wrote: > > my prius c is fine,, thank you > > Bob K3DJC > From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Oct 6 17:24:31 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 14:24:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <97E69E07-E21C-4431-8346-239539465AB1@elecraft.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <025FDCE3-1F92-4FF0-B66D-6322D5FA67EC@elecraft.com> <56140E97.8070909@cis-broadband.com> <97E69E07-E21C-4431-8346-239539465AB1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Attempting to answer the original question, the Model S roof is mostly aluminum, so mag mounts don?t work. Some people have used the roof rack for a mount. Others use trunk lip mounts. The cigarette lighter outlet has a 15A fuse, which might not be enough for some mobile rigs. This Google search has discussion on several Tesla forums as the first few hits: https://www.google.com/webhp?ie=UTF-8#q=tesla%20mobile%20antenna%20installation wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Dave, > > It was entirely tongue-in-cheek. See my followup posting. I'm a huge supporter of E-cars in general. I'm just jealous. > > Wayne ("off-topic"), N6KR > > > On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:10 AM, David Gilbert wrote: > >> >> That seems like a pretty mean-spirited snipe at a company that has arguably done more to bring electric vehicles into the mainstream than any other. Other companies may have higher volume and lower cost models out there, but Tesla is the first one with the conviction to prove it can be successful as a standalone business instead of just a side offering to satisfy EPA average mileage requirements. Certainly Tesla has started at the top end of the food chain to do so, but their focus is headed toward the larger market ... demonstrating along the way that electric vehicles don't need to be the underpowered laughing stocks they were typically portrayed as. >> >> Dave AB7E >> >> >> >> On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> >>> As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?) >>> >>> Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that elusive next charging station. >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From rtavan at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 17:30:03 2015 From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan N6XI) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 14:30:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <1444165068411-7608767.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444165068411-7608767.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I have 2M and 1.2GHz radios in my Model S. They work fine with no detectable RFI in either direction. I have a no-holes installation, which is sub-optimal but I couldn't bear the thought of drilling into this expensive but totally awesome vehicle. 73, /Rick N6XI On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Barry wrote: > My apologies for starting this thread. I had no idea it would take such a > perverse turn from a simple question. > > Barry W2UP > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-VHF-radio-in-Tesla-Model-S-tp7608742p7608767.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA From rv6amark at yahoo.com Tue Oct 6 17:34:54 2015 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark, KE6BB) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 14:34:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Span will only go up to 100Khz Message-ID: Roger,? Fred is correct. ?In fixed-tune mode, the display is limited to +/-50 khz, which is a 100 kHz span. See the latest PX3 Manual (Rev. A5 dated May 22, 2015), page 21, left column, second paragraph from the bottom. ? I wasn't aware of this until I read your post and checked out the latest manual. ?It won't change my decision to buy one, though. Mark,KE6BB? ? From bsusb at k5dkz.com Tue Oct 6 18:44:17 2015 From: bsusb at k5dkz.com (bsusb) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:44:17 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <025FDCE3-1F92-4FF0-B66D-6322D5FA67EC@elecraft.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <025FDCE3-1F92-4FF0-B66D-6322D5FA67EC@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <20151006164417.15912a6d39baf8978b3a6fdf@k5dkz.com> Tesla? No,No,No!! Its got to be a Charger like the Dukes used to drive. V-8 hemi. If it gets more than 10 miles to the gallon, it is underpowered. If you don't put more than 5000 miles a year on the thing, you can easily afford the fuel cost. You like electrics? Go to any golf course. They already have lots of neat electric carts. On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 10:41:48 -0700 Wayne Burdick wrote: > Neither Elecraft co-owner has a Tesla, nor are we likely to get them anytime soon, speaking strictly for both of us. I drive a very pragmatic Honda CRV and am coveting a Prius V for its better gas mileage. I prefer not to drive at all, actually. I have a hybrid mountain bike that runs on the equivalent of approx. 0.5 McChicken sandwiches per hour. > > As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?) > > Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that elusive next charging station. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Oct 6, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Barry wrote: > > > I'm aware of a few Elecraft engineers and owners having a Tesla Model S, > > hence the post. > > > > When I first got my Model S, I had no plans to put a 2m radio in it. Now > > I'm having second thoughts. Wonder if any Model S owners have installed a > > radio? > > > > Feel free to contact me off list at my callsign at arrl.net, if you prefer. > > > > Tnx, > > Barry W2UP > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bsusb at k5dkz.com -- bsusb From kd5byb at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 18:29:49 2015 From: kd5byb at gmail.com (Ben Hall) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 17:29:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 0.5 McChicken sandwiches per hour almost caused KX3 death... In-Reply-To: <025FDCE3-1F92-4FF0-B66D-6322D5FA67EC@elecraft.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <025FDCE3-1F92-4FF0-B66D-6322D5FA67EC@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <56144B5D.7020002@gmail.com> On 10/6/2015 12:41 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > mileage. I prefer not to drive at all, actually. I have a hybrid > mountain bike that runs on the equivalent of approx. 0.5 McChicken > sandwiches per hour. When I read that, I just about spewed coffee all over my keyboard and my KX3. Thankfully, I didn't. Note to self: move KX3 out of the coffee blast radius. While I don't ride a mountain bike anymore, I do try to walk regularly. I'd give my fuel efficiency rating in Oreo cookies per hour, hahahahahaha! thanks much and 73, ben, kd5byb From kd0bcf at yahoo.com Tue Oct 6 18:37:18 2015 From: kd0bcf at yahoo.com (Tom Fitzgerald) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 17:37:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) Message-ID: Fascinating what kind of off topic crap is tolerated on this reflector while other posts are simply censored & censored as in never posted. It reminds me a bit of when one of the right wing whack-a-doodle AM talk hosts mistakenly allows a listener with a brain through the screen and puts them on the air...he/she/it will quickly begin talking over the caller and eventually hang up on them so as to not risk some sanity getting onto the airwaves that makes the host look as stupid as they always sound and frequently look. Interesting. :) kd0bcf "If the knowledge of a God is the most necessary, why is it not the most evident and the clearest?? -Percy Bysshe Shelley, "The Necessity of Atheism" 1811 From bob at hogbytes.com Tue Oct 6 18:44:49 2015 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:44:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Odd behaviour using DVR In-Reply-To: <5612751A.1020601@g3tct.co.uk> References: <5612751A.1020601@g3tct.co.uk> Message-ID: <1444171489598-7608774.post@n2.nabble.com> Keying the mic in DVR mode stops the DVR transmission. It is possible that as the headphone plug is removed it causes a brief pulse that causes the radio to think the mic has been keyed. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Odd-behaviour-using-DVR-tp7608714p7608774.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wes at triconet.org Tue Oct 6 19:07:53 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:07:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <20151006164417.15912a6d39baf8978b3a6fdf@k5dkz.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <025FDCE3-1F92-4FF0-B66D-6322D5FA67EC@elecraft.com> <20151006164417.15912a6d39baf8978b3a6fdf@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <4C978BF1-D2E6-4662-88E1-F7F26D5DDA5C@triconet.org> The last, and I do mean last, Chrysler product I owned was a '79 Roadrunner, bought new. What a POS. I don't believe time has improved a thing. Now I drive an Aussie car, a Pontiac G8 GT. Wish it had more hp tho, 360 is marginal. But what's this 5000 mile stuff? I'm putting a new set of Michelin Pilot Super Sports on tomorrow. Went through the current set in a year (28,000 miles.) Gas is cheap ($2.20) life is short. Wes. N7WS ps. Please keep your Priuses out of the fast lane. Some of us older guys don't have time to waste On Oct 6, 2015, at 3:44 PM, bsusb wrote: > Tesla? No,No,No!! Its got to be a Charger like the Dukes used to drive. V-8 hemi. If it gets more than 10 miles to the gallon, it is underpowered. If you don't put more than 5000 miles a year on the thing, you can easily afford the fuel cost. > > You like electrics? Go to any golf course. They already have lots of neat electric carts. > > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 10:41:48 -0700 > Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> Neither Elecraft co-owner has a Tesla, nor are we likely to get them anytime soon, speaking strictly for both of us. I drive a very pragmatic Honda CRV and am coveting a Prius V for its better gas mileage. I prefer not to drive at all, actually. I have a hybrid mountain bike that runs on the equivalent of approx. 0.5 McChicken sandwiches per hour. >> >> As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?) >> >> Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that elusive next charging station. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> On Oct 6, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Barry wrote: >> >>> I'm aware of a few Elecraft engineers and owners having a Tesla Model S, >>> hence the post. >>> >>> When I first got my Model S, I had no plans to put a 2m radio in it. Now >>> I'm having second thoughts. Wonder if any Model S owners have installed a >>> radio? >>> >>> Feel free to contact me off list at my callsign at arrl.net, if you prefer. >>> >>> Tnx, >>> Barry W2UP >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to bsusb at k5dkz.com > > > -- > bsusb > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes at triconet.org From wes at triconet.org Tue Oct 6 19:09:57 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:09:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <1444165068411-7608767.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444165068411-7608767.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <636842CA-28D2-466F-877E-BC415565C6E6@triconet.org> It's okay. We know you just wanted to brag about having a Tesla:-) On Oct 6, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Barry wrote: > My apologies for starting this thread. I had no idea it would take such a > perverse turn from a simple question. > > Barry W2UP > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-VHF-radio-in-Tesla-Model-S-tp7608742p7608767.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes at triconet.org From wes at triconet.org Tue Oct 6 19:16:44 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:16:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <561421AA.5040408@subich.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <025FDCE3-1F92-4FF0-B66D-6322D5FA67EC@elecraft.com> <56140E97.8070909@cis-broadband.com> <97E69E07-E21C-4431-8346-239539465AB1@elecraft.com> <561421AA.5040408@subich.com> Message-ID: I would actually consider a Volt if I could get my GM retiree discount. (no chance) Furthermore I live in a "red state". GM is limiting sales of the '16 models to "blue" states. On Oct 6, 2015, at 12:31 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" wrote: > > From a practical perspective, the "battery with onboard generator" of the Chevrolet Volt is far more practical (and has been around for a > very long time as the diesel-electric locomotive). It a real shame > that the Volt is out of the price range of ordinary consumers as charge > at home with gasoline (or diesel) for long distance range extension is > clearly more practical than the limited battery only range of either > Tesla or the Nissan Leaf. > > I only wish that my father had the ability to follow up on his concept > for the diesel-electric automobile 50 years ago. Unfortunately neither > energy storage (battery technology) nor environmental concerns where as > well developed then as they are today. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 10/6/2015 2:15 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Dave, >> >> It was entirely tongue-in-cheek. See my followup posting. I'm a huge supporter of E-cars in general. I'm just jealous. >> >> Wayne ("off-topic"), N6KR >> >> >> On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:10 AM, David Gilbert wrote: >> >>> >>> That seems like a pretty mean-spirited snipe at a company that has arguably done more to bring electric vehicles into the mainstream than any other. Other companies may have higher volume and lower cost models out there, but Tesla is the first one with the conviction to prove it can be successful as a standalone business instead of just a side offering to satisfy EPA average mileage requirements. Certainly Tesla has started at the top end of the food chain to do so, but their focus is headed toward the larger market ... demonstrating along the way that electric vehicles don't need to be the underpowered laughing stocks they were typically portrayed as. >>> >>> Dave AB7E >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>>> >>>> As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?) >>>> >>>> Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that elusive next charging station. >>>> >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>>> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes at triconet.org From tjpost at traditional-jazz.com Tue Oct 6 19:20:07 2015 From: tjpost at traditional-jazz.com (john petters) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 00:20:07 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Strange K3 microphone /PTT fault Message-ID: <56145727.2040001@traditional-jazz.com> My thanks to all who helped with advice on this. It was L4 open circuit behind the mic socket. I'd have struggled to find this without this reflector. K3 now up and running again. 73 and thanks again. -- John Petters Amateur Radio Station G3YPZ www.traditional-jazz.com From tf3y at tf3y.net Tue Oct 6 19:25:58 2015 From: tf3y at tf3y.net (Yngvi (TF3Y)) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 23:25:58 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands on the air In-Reply-To: <56141386.8080804@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> <56140E17.1080403@triconet.org> <56141386.8080804@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Propagation has been pretty awful at Northern latitudes. Never heard over here in TF. 73, Yngvi TF3Y On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > K6MM has been in contact with several of the ops at TX3X. They have been > experiencing pretty awful WX, lots of rain, very high winds. Too much wind > to get the 80M and 160M antennas up -- although they have been QRV on 80 in > the last 12 hours. > > I worked them yesterday with 5W on 10M SSB. > > Here's what he posted to the NCDXC reflector yesterday. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > = = = = = > > Thus far I have been able to work these "local" TX3X operators on SSB: > > 40MTom, ND2T > 20MRoss, K6GFJ > 17MSteve, W1SRD > 15MKevin, K6TD > > I volunteered to keep in touch with their families while they're on the > DXpedition. > > My general sense from these "quick chats", is that they are having a > miserable time coping with the high winds, rain, sleeping conditions, and > Mother Nature in general on Chesterfield. Some of this is documented on > the internet, the latest yesterday: > > http://www.dx-world.net/tx3x-chesterfield-island-dxpedition-2015/ > > Unfortunately their website and log search function has been down for > several hours now: http://TX3X.com > Hopefully this is temporary. > > The biggest problem has been installing their antennas, especially for 80M > and 160M because of the high winds. Thus far, they have not been able to > activate those bands. The team is still in good spirits, however, and > determined to overcome these visits from Murphy. They'll be there another > week. Let's wish them good luck. Fingers crossed. > > My advice: If you've already worked them, try to resist the temptation to > rack up a lot of band-modes until the group has had a chance to put as many > ATNO QSOs in the log as possible this week. And keep watching those DX > cluster spots. > > 73, > John, K6MM > > > > On Tue,10/6/2015 11:08 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > >> Rolling along? Twelve ops, seven complete 500W stations and ton of >> antennas and 21K Q's in 6 days. >> >> E6GG with seven ops and four radios made ~ 49k Q's in 12 days. >> >> Just sayin' >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tf3y at tf3y.net > -- http://www.tf3y.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Oct 6 19:35:09 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 16:35:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <025FDCE3-1F92-4FF0-B66D-6322D5FA67EC@elecraft.com> <56140E97.8070909@cis-broadband.com> <97E69E07-E21C-4431-8346-239539465AB1@elecraft.com> <561421AA.5040408@subich.com> Message-ID: <56145AAD.2030003@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,10/6/2015 4:16 PM, Wes wrote: > I would actually consider a Volt if I could get my GM retiree discount. (no chance) W6JTI lives in the "lost coast" area of NorCal and drives a Volt. he loves it. Several of my friends drive a Prius and love them. I encouraged my wife to buy one, and she's very happy too. My vehicle is a big Toyota SUV -- living in the mountains, you need at least one "something big." > Furthermore I live in a "red state". GM is limiting sales of the '16 models to "blue" states. Don't let that stop you -- about 30 years ago, I wanted what was then Toyota's new van. Midwest dealers only sold them loaded, and I needed to buy the lower cost models. I found exactly what I wanted on a lot near LAX, secured my car loan, and flew out to pick it up and drive it home. The dealership structure is something that the Tesla owner is working hard to break down. Like Elecraft, he only sells direct. And while Tesla is a premium model today, they're headed in the direction of much lower cost models. Also, Tesla is building a BIG facility in NV to make batteries. 73, Jim K9YC From vk5zm at bistre.net Tue Oct 6 19:38:25 2015 From: vk5zm at bistre.net (Matthew Cook) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:08:25 +1030 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands on the air In-Reply-To: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> References: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Ahh.,...That would be why they sounded so great on 20m & 15m over the weekend when were testing/tuning up our portable QRO OCDX contest station... it was K-line to K-line (*grin*)... http://www.areg.org.au/?p=1793 Five of our ops had a crack at the pileups on both bands, although our geography gave us something of an advantage. 73 Matthew VK5ZM On 7 October 2015 at 03:52, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft < eric at elecraft.com> wrote: > TX3X on the the Chesterfield Islands is rolling along with their K3s and > KPA500s. > > See: www.tx3x.com > and > http://www.dxsummit.fi/#/?dx_calls=TX3X > > 73, > > Eric > /elecraft.com/ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk5zm at bistre.net > From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Tue Oct 6 20:17:33 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 00:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1032935419.1271785.1444177053231.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Gentleman, Due to time zone, I come into discussion a bit late. ?My Model S 70D should come in about two weeks. I do intent to put my KX3 mobile. ?Since Model S is like a big computer with wheels, I am worried about whether TX from KX3 (or later with KXPA100)will cause RFI to the car. ?Also antenna installation is another area to be thought about. Any ideas? 73 Johnny VR2XMC ???? Rick Tavan N6XI ???? Barry ??(CC)? Elecraft Reflector ????? 2015?10?7? (??) 5:30 AM ??? Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S I have 2M and 1.2GHz radios in my Model S. They work fine with no detectable RFI in either direction. I have a no-holes installation, which is sub-optimal but I couldn't bear the thought of drilling into this expensive but totally awesome vehicle. 73, /Rick N6XI On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Barry wrote: > My apologies for starting this thread.? I had no idea it would take such a > perverse turn from a simple question. > > Barry W2UP > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-VHF-radio-in-Tesla-Model-S-tp7608742p7608767.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com Tue Oct 6 20:45:23 2015 From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 19:45:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444165068411-7608767.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <56146B23.3@wi.rr.com> Hi Rick, So..did you get the "Ludicrous Speed Option"?? On 10/6/2015 4:30 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: > I have 2M and 1.2GHz radios in my Model S. They work fine with no > detectable RFI in either direction. I have a no-holes installation, which > is sub-optimal but I couldn't bear the thought of drilling into this > expensive but totally awesome vehicle. > > 73, > > /Rick N6XI > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Barry wrote: > >> My apologies for starting this thread. I had no idea it would take such a >> perverse turn from a simple question. >> >> Barry W2UP >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-VHF-radio-in-Tesla-Model-S-tp7608742p7608767.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com >> > > > > -- > 73, > > Gary K9GS > > Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org > Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com > CW Ops #1032 http://www.cwops.org > > ************************************************ From albers at embarqmail.com Tue Oct 6 21:10:17 2015 From: albers at embarqmail.com (albers) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 21:10:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] About the Tesla question Message-ID: I have to say I felt thoroughly disgusted whilst reading the digest tonight. Someone posted a completely reasonable question about installing a VHF radio in a Tesla car. Instead of garnering technical answers and discussions, all he got were diatribes about the pros and cons of electric vehicles in general and different vehicles in particular, plus a bunch of inane gratuitous political comments. Finally one kindly ham posted a link to useful discussions that actually addressed the the poster?s question. The rest of you should be ashamed. That includes you, Wayne. 73 Ray K2HYD --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w2up at comcast.net Tue Oct 6 22:26:20 2015 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 19:26:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <636842CA-28D2-466F-877E-BC415565C6E6@triconet.org> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444165068411-7608767.post@n2.nabble.com> <636842CA-28D2-466F-877E-BC415565C6E6@triconet.org> Message-ID: <1444184780145-7608785.post@n2.nabble.com> Wes (N7WS) wrote > It's okay. We know you just wanted to brag about having a Tesla:-) Wes - If I wanted to brag, I would have driven it to Dayton, then told everyone how I drove 1500 miles and "fuel" was free :-) Wayne - In re-reading my original post and your response, I think you misunderstood what I meant by Elecraft owners. I meant Elecraft RADIO owners, not company owners. Sorry for that confusion and my poor wording, too. Barry W2UP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-VHF-radio-in-Tesla-Model-S-tp7608742p7608785.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wes at triconet.org Tue Oct 6 23:02:58 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 20:02:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <1444184780145-7608785.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444165068411-7608767.post@n2.nabble.com> <636842CA-28D2-466F-877E-BC415565C6E6@triconet.org> <1444184780145-7608785.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <56148B62.3020708@triconet.org> Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you out with your "free" fuel :-) http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1 On 10/6/2015 7:26 PM, Barry wrote: > > Wes - If I wanted to brag, I would have driven it to Dayton, then told > everyone how I drove 1500 miles and "fuel" was free :-) > > From scott.manthe at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 00:13:08 2015 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 00:13:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <56148B62.3020708@triconet.org> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444165068411-7608767.post@n2.nabble.com> <636842CA-28D2-466F-877E-BC415565C6E6@triconet.org> <1444184780145-7608785.post@n2.nabble.com> <56148B62.3020708@triconet.org> Message-ID: <56149BD4.1000702@gmail.com> This is quickly becoming unbearable. If you guys want to have a blue state vs. red state debate, do it somewhere else. Taxpayer pay for lots of things that not everyone is happy about, so it's probably best if this thread is dialed back now. Scott N9AA On 10/6/15 11:02 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you > out with your "free" fuel :-) > > http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1 > > > On 10/6/2015 7:26 PM, Barry wrote: >> >> Wes - If I wanted to brag, I would have driven it to Dayton, then told >> everyone how I drove 1500 miles and "fuel" was free :-) >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ From n5ge at n5ge.com Wed Oct 7 00:57:54 2015 From: n5ge at n5ge.com (Amateur Radio Operator N5GE) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 23:57:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] About the Tesla question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's just my opinion. I could be wrong, but wouldn't it be better to discus the Tesla automobile on the forum below? Or does the Tesla automobile have built-in Elecraft products? www.teslamotors.com/forums/discussions/general Tue, 6 Oct 2015 21:10:17 -0400, you wrote: >I have to say I felt thoroughly disgusted whilst reading the digest tonight. Someone posted a completely reasonable question about installing a VHF radio in a Tesla car. Instead of garnering technical answers and discussions, all he got were diatribes about the pros and cons of electric vehicles in general and different vehicles in particular, plus a bunch of inane gratuitous political comments. Finally one kindly ham posted a link to useful discussions that actually addressed the the poster?s question. > >The rest of you should be ashamed. That includes you, Wayne. > >73 > >Ray >K2HYD > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to n5ge at n5ge.com ARS N5GE From ldormiston at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 01:09:54 2015 From: ldormiston at gmail.com (Lee Ormiston) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 23:09:54 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <56149BD4.1000702@gmail.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444165068411-7608767.post@n2.nabble.com> <636842CA-28D2-466F-877E-BC415565C6E6@triconet.org> <1444184780145-7608785.post@n2.nabble.com> <56148B62.3020708@triconet.org> <56149BD4.1000702@gmail.com> Message-ID: Drifting back to the technicalities of flowing electrons: Nine electric cars operated on the streets of Paris, France between 1835 and 1839. The biggest problem with them was the inefficiency of the electric batteries - likely a variation of Volta cells. The biggest problem with current electric vehicles (cars, golf carts, etc.) is....? Common batteries of today have: Cell Voltage Specific Energy of MJ/kg Ni Cd 1.2 0.14 Lead - Acid 2.1 0.14 NiMH 1.2 0.36 Li Ion 3.6 0.46 Interesting things can be accomplished by arranging cells either in series, parallel, or combination. To use these cells to perform work we need to remember Amps * Volts = Watts for Simon Watt of steam engine fame. We also need to remember Entropy Theory - energy goes from highly organized state to disorganized state. A lump of coal is relatively organized state and carbon dioxide gas is relatively disorganized state after combustion of coal. We can in a small, localized area (neighborhood) concentrate energy, for example re-charging a battery; by increasing the entropy, disorganization of the energy in the universe by generating electricity - nuclear, coal fired, natural gas fired, solar, wind powered steam generator powered electric plant. In all of these we have mostly waste heat, line losses, circuit losses, etc. to charge/recharge batteries, followed by waste heat, line losses, etc. to put the stored energy to work. After which we repeat the process to recharge the batteries. Am I an advocate of going back to hunter/gatherer life style? No Am I saving up for a KX3 with match box and battery pack? Yes Any unglazed eyes left? 73 Lee N0RRL On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: > This is quickly becoming unbearable. If you guys want to have a blue state > vs. red state debate, do it somewhere else. Taxpayer pay for lots of things > that not everyone is happy about, so it's probably best if this thread is > dialed back now. > > Scott N9AA > > > > On 10/6/15 11:02 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > >> Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you >> out with your "free" fuel :-) >> >> >> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1 >> >> On 10/6/2015 7:26 PM, Barry wrote: >> >>> >>> Wes - If I wanted to brag, I would have driven it to Dayton, then told >>> everyone how I drove 1500 miles and "fuel" was free :-) >>> >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ldormiston at gmail.com > From hwashcraft at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 01:52:37 2015 From: hwashcraft at gmail.com (Howard Ashcraft) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 22:52:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] A Piece of History for Free (Heathit HW-9 and PS) and an Elecraft Noise Generator Message-ID: <83F20AB7-6E18-4BF3-8165-BDCE70FC7EA0@gmail.com> I have a Heathkit HW-9 CW Transceiver and power supply. It hasn?t been powered on for a long time (I was given it and never fired it up) so I know very little about how well it operates. But I will give it to someone who will provide it a good home. I would prefer that it be picked up in Alameda, but will mail it if necessary. I also have an Elecraft Noise generator that I will mail for shipping costs. Very small, should be minor. Regards Howard Ashcraft W1WF From w2up at comcast.net Wed Oct 7 08:26:10 2015 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 05:26:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <56148B62.3020708@triconet.org> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444165068411-7608767.post@n2.nabble.com> <636842CA-28D2-466F-877E-BC415565C6E6@triconet.org> <1444184780145-7608785.post@n2.nabble.com> <56148B62.3020708@triconet.org> Message-ID: <1444220770705-7608791.post@n2.nabble.com> Wes, You left out this part: *Taxpayers currently subsidize the oil industry by as much as $4.8 billion a year*, with about half of that going to the big five oil companies?ExxonMobil, Shell, Chevron, BP, and ConocoPhillips?which get an average tax break of $3.34 on every barrel of domestic crude they produce. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQFjACahUKEwjRqOLBrLDIAhUQQYgKHe1LAqM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motherjones.com%2Fpolitics%2F2014%2F04%2Foil-subsidies-renewable-energy-tax-breaks&usg=AFQjCNEDvYpeB0-5Qft5tMSw_mkd2S1miw&sig2=JYwt28iI5NpoeP4ZQlXmDg Barry W2UP P.S. I got some useful info from this thread, and and some via private email, so thanks to those who responded on topic. Wes (N7WS) wrote > Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you out > with > your "free" fuel :-) > > http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-VHF-radio-in-Tesla-Model-S-tp7608742p7608791.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n9vo at hotmail.com Wed Oct 7 08:30:52 2015 From: n9vo at hotmail.com (Jim Vohland) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 08:30:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <1444220770705-7608791.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444165068411-7608767.post@n2.nabble.com> <636842CA-28D2-466F-877E-BC415565C6E6@triconet.org> <1444184780145-7608785.post@n2.nabble.com> <56148B62.3020708@triconet.org> <1444220770705-7608791.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Indash hr radio would be nice in a Tesla or any other car. Maybe someone should design a rig that would fit in dash. Just like buying after market stereo! Sure would be nice for install purposes. Maybe a K3I (for in dash). Sent from my iPad > On Oct 7, 2015, at 8:26 AM, Barry wrote: > > Wes, > > You left out this part: > *Taxpayers currently subsidize the oil industry by as much as $4.8 billion a > year*, with about half of that going to the big five oil > companies?ExxonMobil, Shell, Chevron, BP, and ConocoPhillips?which get an > average tax break of $3.34 on every barrel of domestic crude they produce. > > https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQFjACahUKEwjRqOLBrLDIAhUQQYgKHe1LAqM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motherjones.com%2Fpolitics%2F2014%2F04%2Foil-subsidies-renewable-energy-tax-breaks&usg=AFQjCNEDvYpeB0-5Qft5tMSw_mkd2S1miw&sig2=JYwt28iI5NpoeP4ZQlXmDg > > Barry W2UP > > P.S. I got some useful info from this thread, and and some via private > email, so thanks to those who responded on topic. > > > > > Wes (N7WS) wrote >> Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you out >> with >> your "free" fuel :-) >> >> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1 > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/OT-VHF-radio-in-Tesla-Model-S-tp7608742p7608791.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n9vo at hotmail.com From w2up at comcast.net Wed Oct 7 08:37:49 2015 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 05:37:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] About the Tesla question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1444221469326-7608793.post@n2.nabble.com> I posed the question there a few months ago with no response. Barry W2UP N5GE wrote > It's just my opinion. I could be wrong, but wouldn't it be better to > discus the Tesla automobile on the forum below? > > Or does the Tesla automobile have built-in Elecraft products? > > www.teslamotors.com/forums/discussions/general -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/About-the-Tesla-question-tp7608784p7608793.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pmeier at me.com Wed Oct 7 10:12:16 2015 From: pmeier at me.com (Pete Meier) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 08:12:16 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: PX3 Message-ID: Selling my PX3 which is in perfect condition with cables and manuals. Power cable has two connectors for powering both KX3 and PX3 and terminates in Anderson Power Pole. $435 plus $5 towards shipping (US only) Please reply off list to pmeier at me.com From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Wed Oct 7 10:19:12 2015 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 09:19:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Slightly OT: possible ISP/mail server issues Message-ID: <201510070919.12383.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> (I say "slightly OT" because it involves an issue receiving messages from the Elecraft list. Personal to Eric: my apologies for posting a reply after you closed a thread - as noted below, your message to that effect finally arrived much later.) Does anyone else on this list use any of the Centurylink family of companies for their ISP/email, and if so, have you had any issues receiving list messages? (Note that the following had also happened some time back, but I thought the issue was resolved.) Yesterday I noticed that some inbound messages were replies to other posts which I had not received. I logged into my account on the list server and noted a bounce score of 1.0. I then looked at the reflector archives and saw the posts I hadn't received. This morning when I checked my email (I use a POP client rather than webmail) I received a flood of several dozen Elecraft messages, including the ones I had seen on the list server page yesterday but not received. (l'm guessing that the mailserver retries sending a bounced message after a certain period of time.) I'm asking this because if I'm the only one on a Centurylink system who's experiencing this problem they'll try to tell me it's something with my mail setup. If someone else on the list is using Centurylink and having the same issue I have more ammo to get them to look at their end. TNX/73, Al From mjwetzel at comcast.net Wed Oct 7 11:27:55 2015 From: mjwetzel at comcast.net (Mike Wetzel) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 11:27:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KDVR3 Accessing Memory Bank 2 from S/W Message-ID: <2B9E0A81798045E7B7C72F94873720DE@rockne> I read about 50 old posts and have not seen an answer to this question. I can activate M1 to M4 from my s/w (TRLinux) but cannot figure out a way to access M5 to M8. You wouldn't think this could be this difficult. I can switch to bank #2 but then cannot play the memory with one keystroke and when I want to play M1 then I have to switch the bank back to bank #1. Thanks, Mike W9RE From pmeier at me.com Wed Oct 7 11:36:15 2015 From: pmeier at me.com (Pete Meier) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 09:36:15 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 SOLD! Message-ID: <805A086C-F158-4174-9EB5-414AFE8A3B4E@me.com> Thanks - That was quick! Pete WK8S From davidcsteeb at yahoo.com Wed Oct 7 11:46:40 2015 From: davidcsteeb at yahoo.com (david steeb) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 08:46:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] A Piece of History for Free (Heathit HW-9 and PS) and an Elecraft Noise Generator In-Reply-To: <83F20AB7-6E18-4BF3-8165-BDCE70FC7EA0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1444232800.43795.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web310602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Howard I would like the Heath kit as it would me HW 8. Thanks Dave? 73 W9CU Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Howard Ashcraft" Date:Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:54 AM Subject:[Elecraft] A Piece of History for Free (Heathit HW-9 and PS) and an Elecraft Noise Generator I have a Heathkit HW-9 CW Transceiver and power supply.? It hasn?t been powered on for a long time (I was given it and never fired it up) so I know very little about how well it operates.? But I will give it to someone who will provide it a good home.? I would prefer that it be picked up in Alameda, but will mail it if necessary. I also have an Elecraft Noise generator that I will mail for shipping costs.? Very small, should be minor. Regards Howard Ashcraft W1WF ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to davidcsteeb at yahoo.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Oct 7 12:06:03 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 09:06:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] About the Tesla question In-Reply-To: <1444221469326-7608793.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444221469326-7608793.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1D30BAF5-7696-4E23-96E4-22A47A66CA01@wunderwood.org> The discussions I found were in July and August, so you just missed it, I guess. The Google search I suggested shows those discussions. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Oct 7, 2015, at 5:37 AM, Barry wrote: > > I posed the question there a few months ago with no response. > Barry W2UP > > > N5GE wrote >> It's just my opinion. I could be wrong, but wouldn't it be better to >> discus the Tesla automobile on the forum below? >> >> Or does the Tesla automobile have built-in Elecraft products? >> >> www.teslamotors.com/forums/discussions/general > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/About-the-Tesla-question-tp7608784p7608793.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From eboteilho at verizon.net Wed Oct 7 12:21:28 2015 From: eboteilho at verizon.net (Eric Boteilho) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:21:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Elecraft] About the Tesla question Message-ID: <27583355.952831.1444234888902.JavaMail.root@vznit170146.mailsrvcs.net> From dlrwild1 at verizon.net Wed Oct 7 12:24:43 2015 From: dlrwild1 at verizon.net (dlrwild1 at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 12:24:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: FS: ElecraftK1 with all options Message-ID: <645862736E1F4453B365167F93034185@hamroomPpc> From: dlrwild1 at verizon.net Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 2:53 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: FS: ElecraftK1 with all options For Sale: K1 SN2701 mint condition from non smoking home includes these options. I am the second owner. 4 band filter board (KFL-1-4) for 40/30/20/15, KAT-1 antenna tuner, KNB-1 noise blanker, K1BLT back light, KBT-1 internal battery holder, finger dimple knob, custom made stainless steel stand, dust cover by Rose, original top cover with speaker, some spare parts, all documentation ASKING: $475.00 plus S/H cost and insurance via USPS Priority Mail in CONUS. Contact K3SRO, Bob at dlrwild1 at verizon.net From greenacres113 at charter.net Wed Oct 7 12:26:17 2015 From: greenacres113 at charter.net (greenacres113 at charter.net) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:26:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Chesterfields Message-ID: With the problems they've had it's gud to hr. them FB. For those of us not on the WC it's not a laugher on every band. This morning they were as strong as I've hr. them on any band. That was 80m CW. So my K Line & vertical put me in their log. From the middle of the US in NW Tn. K Line to K Line. My XYL has 2 SSB Qs too. ATNO for her! K9IL From eric at elecraft.com Wed Oct 7 13:26:10 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:26:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <56149BD4.1000702@gmail.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444165068411-7608767.post@n2.nabble.com> <636842CA-28D2-466F-877E-BC415565C6E6@triconet.org> <1444184780145-7608785.post@n2.nabble.com> <56148B62.3020708@triconet.org> <56149BD4.1000702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <561555B2.9040808@elecraft.com> Guys - This thread has been closed. Please no political arguments like this on the reflector. There are many other places on the net for that. :-) 73, Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ On 10/6/2015 9:13 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: > This is quickly becoming unbearable. If you guys want to have a blue state vs. > red state debate, do it somewhere else. Taxpayer pay for lots of things that > not everyone is happy about, so it's probably best if this thread is dialed > back now. > > Scott N9AA > > > On 10/6/15 11:02 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >> Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you out >> with your "free" fuel :-) >> >> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1 >> >> >> On 10/6/2015 7:26 PM, Barry wrote: >>> >>> Wes - If I wanted to brag, I would have driven it to Dayton, then told >>> everyone how I drove 1500 miles and "fuel" was free :-) >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From kg6mti at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 7 14:12:43 2015 From: kg6mti at sbcglobal.net (David Davis) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 12:12:43 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable equipment... In-Reply-To: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> References: <5612D42F.8060408@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <5615609B.2000506@sbcglobal.net> Thank you to everyone that replied the information that everyone supplied was extremely helpful. I decided to go ahead and get the PX3. Most of the use for my KX3 will be a portable setup that I plan to take on camping and hunting trips. It won't really be a backpacking type setup so I don't worry about weight or bulk. Thanks again, David On 10/5/15 1:49 PM, David Davis wrote: > Hello all, > > I am very new to the HF world and slowly putting together a portable > station. I'm looking for some advice on my next move. > > I currently have a KX3 (installed KXFL3, KXAT3, KXBC3, KX3-2M), the > Elecraft MH3 microphone and a Buddipole deluxe antenna (with extras > for different configurations). I also have batteries and solar panels > for external power. > > The two items I have been looking at are the following: > > 1. PX3 Panadapter > 2. AA-170 Antenna analyzer > > Which of these would probably provide the highest return for the > investment? > > Thanks in advance for all the advice. > From w7gj at q.com Wed Oct 7 14:50:21 2015 From: w7gj at q.com (Lance Collister, W7GJ) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 18:50:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 frequency stability with DC supply voltage variations In-Reply-To: <561555B2.9040808@elecraft.com> References: <1444149487369-7608742.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444165068411-7608767.post@n2.nabble.com> <636842CA-28D2-466F-877E-BC415565C6E6@triconet.org> <1444184780145-7608785.post@n2.nabble.com> <56148B62.3020708@triconet.org> <56149BD4.1000702@gmail.com> <561555B2.9040808@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5615696D.70403@q.com> I recently took my KX3 with me on a 6m EME DXpedition to operate as V6M and I did have some problems with the stability of the AC line when I keyed my amp. I don't know whether that might have also caused variation in the output from 12 VDC supply powering the KX3, but some people did report a "drifting problem" during my transmissions. I didn't see any indication of frequency drift during receive (when the rig would be cooling down from a transmit cycle), so I am curious to learn if the KX3 might be vulnerable to changes in DC supply voltage. Has anyone experimented with this or do you know whether the KX3 has good internal voltage regulation? If it is a problem, I may have to get a different switching power supply that is more stable under large AC input voltage swings. The actual stability on JT65A mode I think was fine, at least it seemed to be stable enough on receive. Upon further investigation, I think many of the reports about people not being able to decode my JT65A signal were due not to instability of the KX3, but simply the fact that my signal was too weak to decode when I was replying to someone else. I have added a pair of external heat sinks and gone through the temperature compensation routine, and believe that those steps were adequate: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/KX3HeatSinks.htm I would really like to be able to continue to take the KX3 with me on 6m EME DXpeditions, because it has so many great features and is so compact. However, I am also tempted to buy another K3 just to take on DXpeditions, since I know stability has never been in question with my K3 field operations. I look forward to any suggestions or insights anyone may be able to provide. MNI TNX and VY 73, Lance -- Lance Collister, W7GJ (ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ, E6M, TX5K, KH8/W7GJ, V6M) P.O. Box 73 Frenchtown, MT 59834-0073 USA TEL: (406) 626-5728 QTH: DN27ub URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj Skype: lanceW7GJ 2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815 Interested in 6m EME? Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web page (above)! From rv6amark at yahoo.com Wed Oct 7 14:54:06 2015 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark, KE6BB) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:54:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Odd behaviour using DVR Message-ID: Graham, I can duplicate it while simply transmitting a DVR message and plugging or unplugging the phones. ?The display then says ERR DSX d=000. ?Tapping any key clears the error message, but the radio remains locked up with the TX LED on. ?The only way to make the radio usable again is to turn it off and back on. I also noted that plugging/unplugging headphones during normal TX results in the monitor and and RF output disappearing, but no error message. Tapping TX still works in this case to take the radio back to RX. I don't see this as a problem, but more of a limitation. ? I simply won't be plugging or unplugging phones while transmitting!? Mark?KE6BB?KX3 s/n 3500FW 2.34/1.33 -------- Original message -------- From: Graham g3tct Date: 10/06/2015 09:53 (GMT-08:00) To: Bob N3MNT , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - Odd behaviour using DVR I tap MSG, hold 1 or 2 for a message to be repeated. While transmitting, I unplug the headphones (or plug them in if previously unplugged). This causes it to stop transmitting, the KX3 display goes blank for a moment (scary!) then returns on receive. Can anyone else duplicate this problem? Graham From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Wed Oct 7 15:24:33 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 20:24:33 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 request Message-ID: <1402703E-8AD3-4222-A437-CA72131C4386@yahoo.co.uk> Would it be possible to stop the PX3 from freezing when the RIT control is adjusted please? The VFO can be moved without this happening, so why not the RIT? Many thanks. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Oct 7 17:22:57 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 14:22:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] DVR repeat operation Message-ID: I was using a K3 DVR in the California QSO party last weekend, where it provided its usual great performance. I had one issue that might be a simple firmware change. When running a DVR memory in auto repeat mode, for CQing, if the VFO B display is set up to show internal parameters, like supply voltage, it quickly flashes "REPEAT" briefly at the start of each repeat of the message. When displaying the VFO B frequency, it shows "REPEAT" continuously, making it harder to tune the subreceiver. If it just flashed briefly, it would make tuning easier. FWIW, we had 2 K3s and a KX3 in operation at 100 watts. There was very little interference at first, but when the batteries got low, the interference became intolerable. Swapping the batteries for fully charged ones corrected the problem. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If the site is supported by | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | ads, you are the product. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From pauls at elecraft.com Wed Oct 7 17:46:52 2015 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 14:46:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 request In-Reply-To: <1402703E-8AD3-4222-A437-CA72131C4386@yahoo.co.uk> References: <1402703E-8AD3-4222-A437-CA72131C4386@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <1444254412770-7608808.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi David, Thank you for finding this bug! I just fixed it and it will be available in the next release. Kind regards, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-request-tp7608806p7608808.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sdsmithbiz at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 19:10:47 2015 From: sdsmithbiz at gmail.com (WD4SDC) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 16:10:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VSWR problem Message-ID: <1444259447701-7608809.post@n2.nabble.com> My last post might have been too long, so I'll try again - just the facts: Equipment: KX3 S/N 7210, FW 02.25 Problem: 6M band -> VSWR 1.8:1 (KX3 meter) on 50ohm load connected directly to ant connector (no cable). ATU - bypass Load verified good. All other bands good. ATU will match to 1:1 if enabled and tune requested. After ATU match, 25ohm load yields 2:1 (KX3 meter test - OK). MSG to Elecraft support unanswered (which seems uncharacteristic, based on rep) Looking for input on how to identify/fix problem. Thanks, Steve, WD4SDC. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-VSWR-problem-tp7608809.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Oct 7 21:14:53 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 20:14:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] INRAD has a new owner Message-ID: <5615C38D.3090508@blomand.net> October 6, 2015 ? Vibroplex LLC of Knoxville, TN announces the acquisition of International Radio Corporation of Aptos, CA. The sale was finalized on September 23. International Radio, commonly referred to as ?Inrad?, is the leading manufacturer of aftermarket and OEM crystal filters for Amateur Radio transceivers and receivers with some 250 different models currently available for present day equipment and obsolete gear dating as far back as the 1950's. Inrad is presently the OEM roofing filter supplier for the popular Elecraft K3/K3S series of HF transceivers. The last day of operations in California was September 22. Inrad is now up and running at the Vibroplex offices in Tennessee but the backlog of present orders on hand will take several more days to fill. The former and new owners say thank you to the Amateur Radio community for more than 40 years of Inrad business. Inquiries about Inrad can be directed to the main Vibroplex email address at vibroplex at vibroplex.com or sales at inrad.net -- 73 Bob, K4TAX From bobchortek at yahoo.com Wed Oct 7 22:16:57 2015 From: bobchortek at yahoo.com (Chortek Bob) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 02:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] INRAD has a new owner In-Reply-To: <5615C38D.3090508@blomand.net> References: <5615C38D.3090508@blomand.net> Message-ID: <602617124.607542.1444270617704.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Great news!!!!! ?Maybe we will start to see some innovation - like an additional roofing filter for the Kenwood TS-990! Bob/AA6VB From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 6:14 PM Subject: [Elecraft] INRAD has a new owner October 6, 2015 ? Vibroplex LLC of Knoxville, TN announces the acquisition of International Radio Corporation of Aptos, CA.? The sale was finalized on September 23.? International Radio, commonly referred to as ?Inrad?, is the leading manufacturer of aftermarket and OEM crystal filters for Amateur Radio transceivers and receivers with some 250 different models currently available for present day equipment and obsolete gear dating as far back as the 1950's.? Inrad is presently the OEM roofing filter supplier for the popular Elecraft K3/K3S series of HF transceivers.? The last day of operations in California was September 22.? Inrad is now up and running at the Vibroplex offices in Tennessee but the backlog of present orders on hand will take several more days to fill.? The former and new owners say thank you to the Amateur Radio community for more than 40 years of Inrad business.? Inquiries about Inrad can be directed to the main Vibroplex email address at vibroplex at vibroplex.com or sales at inrad.net -- 73 Bob, K4TAX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Wed Oct 7 22:32:21 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 22:32:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] INRAD has a new owner In-Reply-To: <602617124.607542.1444270617704.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5615C38D.3090508@blomand.net> <602617124.607542.1444270617704.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <038e01d10171$902f0d70$b08d2850$@carolinaheli.com> Scott at Vibroplex has excellent customer service and his products are awesum!!! I look forward to seeing what's next for Inrad. I expect Scott will take it to the next level for sure. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chortek Bob Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 10:17 PM To: Bob McGraw - K4TAX; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] INRAD has a new owner Great news!!!!! Maybe we will start to see some innovation - like an additional roofing filter for the Kenwood TS-990! Bob/AA6VB From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 6:14 PM Subject: [Elecraft] INRAD has a new owner October 6, 2015 ? Vibroplex LLC of Knoxville, TN announces the acquisition of International Radio Corporation of Aptos, CA. The sale was finalized on September 23. International Radio, commonly referred to as ?Inrad?, is the leading manufacturer of aftermarket and OEM crystal filters for Amateur Radio transceivers and receivers with some 250 different models currently available for present day equipment and obsolete gear dating as far back as the 1950's. Inrad is presently the OEM roofing filter supplier for the popular Elecraft K3/K3S series of HF transceivers. The last day of operations in California was September 22. Inrad is now up and running at the Vibroplex offices in Tennessee but the backlog of present orders on hand will take several more days to fill. The former and new owners say thank you to the Amateur Radio community for more than 40 years of Inrad business. Inquiries about Inrad can be directed to the main Vibroplex email address at vibroplex at vibroplex.com or sales at inrad.net -- 73 Bob, K4TAX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From sdsmithbiz at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 23:27:53 2015 From: sdsmithbiz at gmail.com (WD4SDC) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 20:27:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VSWR problem In-Reply-To: <1444259447701-7608809.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444259447701-7608809.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1444274873156-7608813.post@n2.nabble.com> WD4SDC wrote > MSG to Elecraft support unanswered (which seems uncharacteristic, based on > rep) I was contacted by elecraft support shortly after this post. Will be running some tests per their advice. Steve WD4SDC -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-VSWR-problem-tp7608809p7608813.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rickw8zt at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 23:56:21 2015 From: rickw8zt at gmail.com (Rick Robinson) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 23:56:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VSWR problem In-Reply-To: <1444274873156-7608813.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444259447701-7608809.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444274873156-7608813.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Could it be your load is not rated to 50 MHZ ? Some are only good to 30 MHZ. On Wednesday, October 7, 2015, WD4SDC wrote: > WD4SDC wrote > > MSG to Elecraft support unanswered (which seems uncharacteristic, based > on > > rep) > > I was contacted by elecraft support shortly after this post. Will be > running some tests per their advice. > > Steve WD4SDC > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-VSWR-problem-tp7608809p7608813.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rickw8zt at gmail.com > -- Rick, W8ZT Sent from Gmail Mobile From hormuth at mpia.eu Thu Oct 8 03:20:26 2015 From: hormuth at mpia.eu (Felix Hormuth) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 09:20:26 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 low power setting "gap" Message-ID: Dear all, I have a kind of luxury problem concerning achieving output powers in FSK between 9.5 and 13W. The setup: a relatively new K3/100 with the last firmware a recent TX gain calibration. I'm doing a lot of RTTY, mostly in submode FSK D. Now I hooked up a 1K-FA linear amplifier which has quite some gain. For serious work in RTTY I'd like to settle around 500W output, i.e. half max. The ideal input power for that would be somewhere between 10 and 12W. Now the problem: for powers below 13W only the LPA is active. The output power in RTTY goes up to 9.5W but not further, regardless if I set 10, 11, or 12W. When I increase to 13W the KPA3 kicks in and I get ~13.5W. So at the moment I cannot reach the 'sweet spot' that would be required for my desired 500W RTTY. So the questions are: - Is the LPA capable at all for CW output of 10-12W or does that only apply for PEP in SSB? Are 12W only possible w/o KPA3 installed? - Has someone an idea for a good workaround? So far I only came up with the idea to manually mis-"calibrate" the TX gain in order to reduce the overall output so that I start in fact with ~10W when I set the output to 13W. That'd limit the maximum output to below 100W but that would actually fine for me. Without PA I'll be doing only PSK and JT65, and for that 50W are more than enough. However, that's a rather nasty solution and if anyone has a better suggestion I would be happy to hear about it. vy 73, Felix DL2FHO From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Thu Oct 8 04:24:00 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 09:24:00 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 request In-Reply-To: <1444254412770-7608808.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1402703E-8AD3-4222-A437-CA72131C4386@yahoo.co.uk> <1444254412770-7608808.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1E5953CA-EE55-497E-9CC3-0E0595B17D57@yahoo.co.uk> Paul, Wow! Many thanks, I didn't realise it was simply an oversight, and not some basic limitation in the way the hardware worked. If you would like me to beta test the new version I would be happy to do so, especially as we have good auroral conditions just now and that is where I use RIT a lot. I noticed it when I was working in the aurora on 144 MHz where the Doppler shift can mean that callers reply on a different frequency to where I am transmitting, and the PX3 is very useful for spotting where they are and of course RIT is the best way to tune them in, but the moment I touched the RIT the display froze, making it harder to tune them in realtime. Incidentally having the PX3 display the bandwidth of the receiver is also very useful as I can match the bandwidth of the receiver to the frequency spread of the auroral CW signal very easily. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 7 Oct 2015, at 22:46, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote: > > Hi David, > > Thank you for finding this bug! I just fixed it and it will be available in > the next release. > > Kind regards, > > Paul > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-request-tp7608806p7608808.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From nf4l at comcast.net Thu Oct 8 08:27:41 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 08:27:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mac & fldigi Message-ID: Would anyone using a Mac, iMic and fldigi contact me off list? 73, Mike NF4L From ppauly at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 09:46:37 2015 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 09:46:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it Message-ID: I had an experience a couple weeks ago where the USB audio chip in my Kenwood stopped working. Kenwood service refused to fix the problem under warranty and blamed me for not unplugging every single cable to the radio when not in use. I had only disconnected the antenna. Not the power, USB, key, etc. No other equipment was affected and the USB CAT still worked, so only one chip stopped working. The Kenwood service center even said they have had tons of people with the same problem. That experience prompted me to order a K3S and it's currently in a UPS truck somewhere between CA and IN. My questions for you guys and gals are: Do you disconnect every cable when the radio is not in use? What are Elecraft's expectations or recommendations to us? What chip does the K3S use for USB audio? How would Elecraft, the company, have handled this situation? Peter W0VLL From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 8 10:03:12 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 10:03:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03df01d101d2$1334c380$399e4a80$@carolinaheli.com> Do I disconnect every cable? No, just Coax at the radio and power strip from the wall (which disconnects all else). The ONLY connection I don't have the ability to easily disconnect (which I'm trying to figure out) is station ground. To date I've never lost a piece of my station gear and we get LOTS of lightning storms. Most of my experience is from the past when I had a tower. Your experience with Kenwood is one of the MAJOR reasons I went with Elecraft. Every other manufacturer I've dealt with or heard about only wants to sell you product with minimal support and seem to go out of their way to make it difficult for you to get anything under warranty. Jerry Moore AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 An Amatuer is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Peter Pauly Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 9:47 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it I had an experience a couple weeks ago where the USB audio chip in my Kenwood stopped working. Kenwood service refused to fix the problem under warranty and blamed me for not unplugging every single cable to the radio when not in use. I had only disconnected the antenna. Not the power, USB, key, etc. No other equipment was affected and the USB CAT still worked, so only one chip stopped working. The Kenwood service center even said they have had tons of people with the same problem. That experience prompted me to order a K3S and it's currently in a UPS truck somewhere between CA and IN. My questions for you guys and gals are: Do you disconnect every cable when the radio is not in use? What are Elecraft's expectations or recommendations to us? What chip does the K3S use for USB audio? How would Elecraft, the company, have handled this situation? Peter W0VLL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 10:10:46 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 17:10:46 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56167966.7020007@gmail.com> Very few hams, if any, disconnect EVERY cable from their rig when it is not in use. Having said that, it's certainly a good idea to have a common grounded entry point with suppression devices for power, antenna, phone, cable, etc. so there won't be potential differences between equipment in the event of nearby lightning. But in my opinion, making total disconnection of the equipment a condition for warranty repairs is a statement that they don't take the warranty seriously. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 8 Oct 2015 16:46, Peter Pauly wrote: > I had an experience a couple weeks ago where the USB audio chip in my > Kenwood stopped working. Kenwood service refused to fix the problem under > warranty and blamed me for not unplugging every single cable to the radio > when not in use. I had only disconnected the antenna. Not the power, USB, > key, etc. No other equipment was affected and the USB CAT still worked, so > only one chip stopped working. The Kenwood service center even said they > have had tons of people with the same problem. That experience prompted me > to order a K3S and it's currently in a UPS truck somewhere between CA and > IN. > > My questions for you guys and gals are: > Do you disconnect every cable when the radio is not in use? What are > Elecraft's expectations or recommendations to us? What chip does the K3S > use for USB audio? How would Elecraft, the company, have handled this > situation? > > Peter > W0VLL From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Thu Oct 8 10:23:45 2015 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 14:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: <56167966.7020007@gmail.com> References: <56167966.7020007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <619464118.853803.1444314225774.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I would suggest you read the manual and the warranty statement. I don't think you will find a disclaimer about removing all cables from the radio when not in use. Mel, K6KBE From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it Very few hams, if any, disconnect EVERY cable from their rig when it is not in use. Having said that, it's certainly a good idea to have a common grounded entry point with suppression devices for power, antenna, phone, cable, etc. so there won't be potential differences between equipment in the event of nearby lightning. But in my opinion, making total disconnection of the equipment a condition for warranty repairs is a statement that they don't take the warranty seriously. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 8 Oct 2015 16:46, Peter Pauly wrote: > I had an experience a couple weeks ago where the USB audio chip in my > Kenwood stopped working. Kenwood service refused to fix the problem under > warranty and blamed me for not unplugging every single cable to the radio > when not in use. I had only disconnected the antenna. Not the power, USB, > key, etc. No other equipment was affected and the USB CAT still worked, so > only one chip stopped working. The Kenwood service center even said they > have had tons of people with the same problem. That experience prompted me > to order a K3S and it's currently in a UPS truck somewhere between CA and > IN. > > My questions for you guys and gals are: > Do you disconnect every cable when the radio is not in use?? What are > Elecraft's expectations or recommendations to us?? What chip does the K3S > use for USB audio?? How would Elecraft, the company, have handled this > situation? > > Peter > W0VLL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Thu Oct 8 10:24:50 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 07:24:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is not normal to completely disconnect a piece of station equipment like a transceiver when it's not in use. Some disconnect the antenna, but I don't. I've had K3 #24 since 2007, and the only time I worry about disconnecting is if there is convective weather activity like thunder or lightning. If there is a sign of this, I disconnect all cables from the K3 until the storm passes. Having been an Elecraft customer since 2003 (K2 days), I never heard of the company behaving in this manner towards a customer. Elecraft is more likely to bend over backwards to satisfy your needs rather than offer up excuses. Customer support and service is one of the major reasons Elecraft has done so well in the Amateur market. The other primary cause of their success is the quality and performance of their products. 73, matt W6NIA On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 09:46:37 -0400, you wrote: >I had an experience a couple weeks ago where the USB audio chip in my >Kenwood stopped working. Kenwood service refused to fix the problem under >warranty and blamed me for not unplugging every single cable to the radio >when not in use. I had only disconnected the antenna. Not the power, USB, >key, etc. No other equipment was affected and the USB CAT still worked, so >only one chip stopped working. The Kenwood service center even said they >have had tons of people with the same problem. That experience prompted me >to order a K3S and it's currently in a UPS truck somewhere between CA and >IN. > >My questions for you guys and gals are: >Do you disconnect every cable when the radio is not in use? What are >Elecraft's expectations or recommendations to us? What chip does the K3S >use for USB audio? How would Elecraft, the company, have handled this >situation? > >Peter >W0VLL >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein From n7rjn at nobis.net Thu Oct 8 10:49:24 2015 From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 07:49:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BA0D271-7C34-4ACC-86DC-0E2C7A61B567@nobis.net> Peter, When I am away from home, I disconnect all antennas and unplug my power strip. When home I leave everything connected 24/7, except when there is a storm or threat of a storm. Then I disconnect antennas and my mains power strip. If that is Kenwood?s approach to customer service, I am glad I do not own any of their equipment. 73, Bob Nobis - N7RJN n7rjn at nobis.net > On Oct 8, 2015, at 06:46, Peter Pauly wrote: > > I had an experience a couple weeks ago where the USB audio chip in my > Kenwood stopped working. Kenwood service refused to fix the problem under > warranty and blamed me for not unplugging every single cable to the radio > when not in use. I had only disconnected the antenna. Not the power, USB, > key, etc. No other equipment was affected and the USB CAT still worked, so > only one chip stopped working. The Kenwood service center even said they > have had tons of people with the same problem. That experience prompted me > to order a K3S and it's currently in a UPS truck somewhere between CA and > IN. > > My questions for you guys and gals are: > Do you disconnect every cable when the radio is not in use? What are > Elecraft's expectations or recommendations to us? What chip does the K3S > use for USB audio? How would Elecraft, the company, have handled this > situation? > > Peter > W0VLL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7rjn at nobis.net > From n1ho at yahoo.com Thu Oct 8 11:10:50 2015 From: n1ho at yahoo.com (Bayard Coolidge, N1HO) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 15:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: <56167966.7020007@gmail.com> References: <56167966.7020007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <677983744.687505.1444317050784.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> No, I don't disconnect *every cable, usually just the antenna coax as itenters the shack (which, in NC, is in the basement and a coax feed-throughcomes through a concrete block and brick wall, and the disconnect pointis at the wall, 4-5m from the equipment). All equipment (except handhelds)is properly grounded, as discussed thoroughly on this list recently, and fused. I'm wondering if this "policy" of Kenwood's applies just to their amateurradio market or to all of their two-way radio market, and if it's spelled out intheir warranty verbiage, or are they hiding behind the skirts of "we'll use OURdiscretion in deciding whether to fix something under warranty or not". Frankly,I think it's hilarious to think they'd expect boaters, emergency services personnel,much less small business owners, farmers, construction workers, and the like,to disconnect every cable on their equipment when not in use.? >From what I've seen, Amateur Radio is but a small segment of their overallbusiness, even just their two-way radio business, never mind consumerelectronics, etc. OTOH, it also sounds like they have a particular design issuethat they need to address so as to preserve what's left of their reputation. Just my 20 millidollars' worth, N1HO On 8 Oct 2015 16:46, Peter Pauly wrote: > Do you disconnect every cable when the radio is not in use?? What are > Elecraft's expectations or recommendations to us?? _______ From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Thu Oct 8 11:47:11 2015 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 10:47:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: <619464118.853803.1444314225774.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <56167966.7020007@gmail.com> <619464118.853803.1444314225774.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201510081047.12048.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> Maybe they're relying on one of the sublaws in "The Contributions of Edsel Murphy to the Understanding of the Behavior of Inanimate Objects": " II. 3. All warranty and guarantee clauses become void upon payment of invoice." That being said, I think one of the factors in Elecraft's success is that unlike some other companies Elecraft _actually understands_ the meaning of the words "customer service." 73, Al On Thu October 8 2015 9:23:45 am Mel Farrer wrote: > I would suggest you read the manual and the warranty statement. I don't > think you will find a disclaimer about removing all cables from the radio > when not in use. Mel, K6KBE > > > From: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 7:10 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it > > Very few hams, if any, disconnect EVERY cable from their rig when it is > not in use. Having said that, it's certainly a good idea to have a > common grounded entry point with suppression devices for power, antenna, > phone, cable, etc. so there won't be potential differences between > equipment in the event of nearby lightning. > > But in my opinion, making total disconnection of the equipment a > condition for warranty repairs is a statement that they don't take the > warranty seriously. > > 73, > Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO > Rehovot, Israel > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > > On 8 Oct 2015 16:46, Peter Pauly wrote: > > I had an experience a couple weeks ago where the USB audio chip in my > > Kenwood stopped working. Kenwood service refused to fix the problem under > > warranty and blamed me for not unplugging every single cable to the radio > > when not in use. I had only disconnected the antenna. Not the power, USB, > > key, etc. No other equipment was affected and the USB CAT still worked, > > so only one chip stopped working. The Kenwood service center even said > > they have had tons of people with the same problem. That experience > > prompted me to order a K3S and it's currently in a UPS truck somewhere > > between CA and IN. > > > > My questions for you guys and gals are: > > Do you disconnect every cable when the radio is not in use?? What are > > Elecraft's expectations or recommendations to us?? What chip does the K3S > > use for USB audio?? How would Elecraft, the company, have handled this > > situation? > > > > Peter > > W0VLL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5jnc at centurytel.net From pf at tippete.net Thu Oct 8 12:01:21 2015 From: pf at tippete.net (Pierfrancesco Caci) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 18:01:21 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8 October 2015 15:46:37 CEST, Peter Pauly wrote: . > >My questions for you guys and gals are: >Do you disconnect every cable when the radio is not in use? What are >Elecraft's expectations or recommendations to us? What chip does the >K3S >use for USB audio? How would Elecraft, the company, have handled this >situation? > >Peter >W0VLL >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to pf at tippete.net Like many others in this thread, I disconnect only the antennas. I once lost a Cisco aironet wireless access point during a thunderstorm because the wired Ethernet cable feeding it acted as antenna for a natural EMP. I guess your case is similar. Proper bonding should help reduce the risk, according to the sages of this group :) Pf -- Pierfrancesco Caci From w4rks73 at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 12:04:00 2015 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 11:04:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] unplugging the radio to protect it Message-ID: *Back in 2009, I had a direct lightning hit on an antenna that was disconnected from my K3. The path to ground was over to the telephone line, computer, ethernet cable to another computer, RS232 cable and into the K3. Did a fair amount of damage. Looking back, a disconnect of ALL may have been a good ides.* *BUT, I still don't do it. :-)* *Jim - W4RKS* *---------------------------------* *>Peter Pauly* ppauly at gmail.com *>Thu Oct 8 09:46:37 EDT 2015* - >I had an experience a couple weeks ago where the USB audio >chip in my >Kenwood stopped working. Kenwood service refused to fix the >problem under >warranty and blamed me for not unplugging every single cable >to the radio >when not in use. From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Oct 8 12:12:36 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 11:12:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: <677983744.687505.1444317050784.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <56167966.7020007@gmail.com> <677983744.687505.1444317050784.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <561695F4.7050302@blomand.net> Having done warranty work for Kenwood, both on commercial and amateur products, they are very "fussy" about warranty policy. From experience, every "I" and every "T" must be dotted and crossed, otherwise they most likely will reject a warranty claim. Now, there are others, such as myself, being independent dealers or service providers that can make individual exceptions to the practice/rule and in effect slide things under the wire. Yes, from my take, the amateur market is a a very small part of their business. In other words, so small that if it went away, someone would likely do without lunch for one day...........that's all. Being retired, I no longer do any service work for any JA company or organization. In most cases, I have a "bad taste in my mouth" for their business practice. And to close, I spent 15 years of my professional career working in upper management for a major JA company. If one's system is properly designed and installed and maintained, there is no valid reason to disconnect anything, anytime. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/8/2015 10:10 AM, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO wrote: > No, I don't disconnect *every cable, usually just the antenna coax as itenters the shack (which, in NC, is in the basement and a coax feed-throughcomes through a concrete block and brick wall, and the disconnect pointis at the wall, 4-5m from the equipment). All equipment (except handhelds)is properly grounded, as discussed thoroughly on this list recently, and fused. > I'm wondering if this "policy" of Kenwood's applies just to their amateurradio market or to all of their two-way radio market, and if it's spelled out intheir warranty verbiage, or are they hiding behind the skirts of "we'll use OURdiscretion in deciding whether to fix something under warranty or not". Frankly,I think it's hilarious to think they'd expect boaters, emergency services personnel,much less small business owners, farmers, construction workers, and the like,to disconnect every cable on their equipment when not in use. > From what I've seen, Amateur Radio is but a small segment of their overallbusiness, even just their two-way radio business, never mind consumerelectronics, etc. OTOH, it also sounds like they have a particular design issuethat they need to address so as to preserve what's left of their reputation. > Just my 20 millidollars' worth, > N1HO From doug at ellmore.net Thu Oct 8 12:15:34 2015 From: doug at ellmore.net (Doug Ellmore) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 12:15:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it Message-ID: I had damaged TWO FT-1000D rigs in 2001 from lightening. Both rigs were disconnected from the antenna. Both rigs were unplugged from everything EXCEPT from the ground bus and serial connector to the PC. The pc was disconnected from everything EXCEPT the modem. When the lightening hit my 40' Rohn 25 tower twice within a couple of minutes, the path was modem card in PC to rig ground. The tower and house were properly grounded. Yaesu confirmed damaged was in the serial interface. Thank goodness I don't have dial-up internet. But, watch your other opportunities for paths to ground. 73 NA1DX -- Doug Ellmore doug at ellmore.net From ka9zap at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 12:19:05 2015 From: ka9zap at gmail.com (Art Nienhouse) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 11:19:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it Message-ID: <56169779.1020004@gmail.com> */I had an event several years ago where something hit Charter Cable several miles away the hit came in through the internet cable, hit the modem took out everything connected by Ethernet cable back to the Motorola Modem. The list includes ..... Motorola Modem Wifi router Magic Jack Plus Dell 8400 that was connected via the Ethernet cable And U1 I think it was on the K3 ki03 board which was connected via cable to the Dell 8400. There never was a lightning event that I saw or heard, if the Dell would have been connected to the Wire Less WIFI and not hard wired via a cable the radio and computer would have been ok. I took the ocasion to send the radio back to Elecraft and have it updated there service is better than the best I sold a house full of Yaesu gear and never looked back. Regards Art ka9zap /* From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Oct 8 12:34:48 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 08:34:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it Message-ID: <201510081634.t98GYnpL015110@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> I do not unplug anything when not in use. Never had a failure from doing that. I do live in a virtually lightning free environment but static buildup in dry winter winds can happen. This is why having a shorted RFC across antenna lead -in or back/back diodes on RX input are used. System is all grounded to central point going to outside ground rod and one tower has a ground rod for HF radial system (and tower). Many years ago I was comm officer on a BLM Wildfire sitting at Base Camp at 2400-foot on a mountain ridge in AK when a strong wind blew up in advance of a storm. We used VHF MOT HT's connected to whips mounted on 30-foot fiberglass telescoping masts (for quick deployment). Operators complained of getting shocks from the radios which I dismissed until I tried picking up one sitting on the tundra and drew a 4-inch arc - ouch! Radios totally survived this. We left the radios lying on the ground until the winds subsided. I own nothing made by Kenwood. Guess now I never will. Mostly Elecraft at the present with some older MOT and Yaesu VHF stuff. In my opinion Kenwood long ago lost out to both Icom and Yaesu...and, of course, Elecraft. I wonder if a letter to the CEO of Kenwood would have any effect. Otherwise write this up in every ham newsletter and on-line review. That works for Consumers Report. At work, I specified models when buying and we converted all to MOT over from some GE/Ericson and a few Sinclair. Reputation for quality and backing the customer. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From ny9h at arrl.net Thu Oct 8 12:40:46 2015 From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill NY9H) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 12:40:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ALL the Ham stuff K system/ big icom survived a near strike... the antennas are disconnected at the garage entrance , where 4 10' rods are ... the stuff came in the phone line, into a phone ....poof across the phone guts to the other line ..magicjack....poof... into the router poof... nic card on the raid drive, main cpu MB, new 42" TV set ( now only wifi) solar array controller poof poof poof ( now getting expensive) .... control circuits in two 5KW solar inverters.$$$$$$$ hello insurance company. now have separate phone on the magicjack,,, and a large bank of surge(MOVs) on the phone line from verizon. and i disconnect all hdmi pwr & coax from the TV in a storm. Joys of living on a hill .... can't flood bill From k3 at hollywoodtitle.com Thu Oct 8 12:47:28 2015 From: k3 at hollywoodtitle.com (Elecraft K3) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 09:47:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3455D535-583E-4A25-B430-77343F12FBBE@hollywoodtitle.com> Hmm, this thread has got me wondering if a fiber optics telecom/tv/internet link provides some degree of protection against distant lightning strikes. Seems like it should. 73 de Eric, KG6MZS From eric at elecraft.com Thu Oct 8 12:48:44 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 09:48:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: <20151008164149.01EE4149B55A@mailman.qth.net> References: <20151008164149.01EE4149B55A@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <56169E6C.9090607@elecraft.com> Folks - We're exceeding the single topic short term posting limit. Lightning protection in the shack is a recurring topic on the list and can easily be searched for in the Nabble archives at elecraft.com/elist.html Let's close the thread for now in the interest of relieving list email overload. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 10/8/2015 9:40 AM, bill NY9H wrote: > ALL the Ham stuff K system/ big icom survived a near strike... > the antennas are disconnected at the garage entrance , where 4 10' rods are ... From fptownsend at earthlink.net Thu Oct 8 12:52:10 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 09:52:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 low power setting "gap" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d101e9$adb0ade0$091209a0$@earthlink.net> Hi Felix: Don't we all wish we had your problem. One work around would be to put a 3db pad between your K3 and your amp. That might help your IMD too. Just a thought. 73 Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Felix Hormuth Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 12:20 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 low power setting "gap" Dear all, I have a kind of luxury problem concerning achieving output powers in FSK between 9.5 and 13W. The setup: a relatively new K3/100 with the last firmware a recent TX gain calibration. I'm doing a lot of RTTY, mostly in submode FSK D. Now I hooked up a 1K-FA linear amplifier which has quite some gain. For serious work in RTTY I'd like to settle around 500W output, i.e. half max. The ideal input power for that would be somewhere between 10 and 12W. Now the problem: for powers below 13W only the LPA is active. The output power in RTTY goes up to 9.5W but not further, regardless if I set 10, 11, or 12W. When I increase to 13W the KPA3 kicks in and I get ~13.5W. So at the moment I cannot reach the 'sweet spot' that would be required for my desired 500W RTTY. So the questions are: - Is the LPA capable at all for CW output of 10-12W or does that only apply for PEP in SSB? Are 12W only possible w/o KPA3 installed? - Has someone an idea for a good workaround? So far I only came up with the idea to manually mis-"calibrate" the TX gain in order to reduce the overall output so that I start in fact with ~10W when I set the output to 13W. That'd limit the maximum output to below 100W but that would actually fine for me. Without PA I'll be doing only PSK and JT65, and for that 50W are more than enough. However, that's a rather nasty solution and if anyone has a better suggestion I would be happy to hear about it. vy 73, Felix DL2FHO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From Gary at ka1j.com Thu Oct 8 12:53:01 2015 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 12:53:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: <561695F4.7050302@blomand.net> References: <56167966.7020007@gmail.com>, <677983744.687505.1444317050784.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, <561695F4.7050302@blomand.net> Message-ID: <56169F6D.4499.5226024@Gary.ka1j.com> In 1980 I bought a then new Kenwood 820S which had myriad issues. Looked inside after a week and almost every solder joint on the boards were cold soldered. Contacted kenwood and they said they no longer dealt with the dealer I bought from and they would not honour the warranty. I asked a Japanese friend if she would translate a letter to Kenwood in Japan, I sent that to their headquarters and never heard back. I never bought a Kenwood anything again, went TenTec. Now I only use Elecraft and my old early 90's Alpha. 73, Gary KA1J > Having done warranty work for Kenwood, both on commercial and amateur > products, they are very "fussy" about warranty policy. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From phystad at mac.com Thu Oct 8 12:54:11 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 09:54:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: <56169E6C.9090607@elecraft.com> References: <20151008164149.01EE4149B55A@mailman.qth.net> <56169E6C.9090607@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <8D7A1FA8-3B2D-4DF7-AEE0-515D65657614@mac.com> > Folks - We're exceeding the single topic short term posting limit. Lightning protection in the shack is a recurring topic on the list and can easily be searched for in the Nabble archives at elecraft.com/elist.html > > Let's close the thread for now in the interest of relieving list email overload. > 73, > Eric > /elecraft.com/ And, here I was just finishing up a 3000-word missive on the excellent unplugging methods I have employed. OK, I deleted it. I won?t add to the Elecraft list background noise except for this anti-missive. 73, phil, K7PEH From billblomgren at yahoo.com Thu Oct 8 13:37:21 2015 From: billblomgren at yahoo.com (Bill Blomgren (kk4qdz)) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 17:37:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: <3455D535-583E-4A25-B430-77343F12FBBE@hollywoodtitle.com> References: <3455D535-583E-4A25-B430-77343F12FBBE@hollywoodtitle.com> Message-ID: <1023658648.759839.1444325841959.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ?off list.... because it isn't on topic. An old retired friend worked in Telcom for decades (including the shore station that AT&T had in Florida to connect to their subscribers in the Caribbean... He mentioned that the really LONG underground fiber links across the country (down 6-8 feet) attract lightning like crazy.. where lightning is hunting for the steel wire down the middle of the bundle that is used to find the line if there is a problem. Well, lightning finds it a LOT.. and causes a whole bunch of HOT in one spot that typically microshatters bout 1/2 mile of fiber in each direction.. or at least used to. no idea if the ZOT! on the steel wire damaged equipment at either end.. but it was a big problem. . KK4QDZ - Now with Extra Class Priv's, and a tiny KX3 to enjoy them! From: Elecraft K3 To: pf at tippete.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it Hmm, this thread has got me wondering if a fiber optics telecom/tv/internet link provides some degree of protection against distant lightning strikes. Seems like it should. 73 de Eric, KG6MZS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to billblomgren at yahoo.com From edauer at law.du.edu Thu Oct 8 13:43:00 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 17:43:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Disconnecting Equipment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My operating QTH is in an area where lightning is common and the storms often severe, and where a small, rural electric coop provides the power. As a result, there are occasional voltage surges in the AC mains during storms. I have never measured it, but the house lights brighten when lightning is happening very close by. In addition, I am at that QTH only four or five days a month. The rest of the time the equipment is on its own. I ground the antenna line from the rig through an antenna switch; and I unplug the AC cords to all of the power supplies (two cords, each leading to multiple-outlet strips, each on a separate AC main from the breaker box.) That may be overkill since each of the strips is switched, but it takes only a second to do it. Nothing else is disconnected when I leave. So far, several years on, no problems. I can?t imagine Elecraft having responded as Kenwood did in your case. Welcome to the K3(S) club. Ted, KN1CBR >On 8 Oct 2015 16:46, Peter Pauly wrote: >> I had an experience a couple weeks ago where the USB audio chip in my >> Kenwood stopped working. Kenwood service refused to fix the problem >>under >> warranty and blamed me for not unplugging every single cable to the >>radio >> when not in use. I had only disconnected the antenna. Not the power, >>USB, >> key, etc. No other equipment was affected and the USB CAT still worked, >>so >> only one chip stopped working. The Kenwood service center even said they >> have had tons of people with the same problem. That experience prompted >>me >> to order a K3S and it's currently in a UPS truck somewhere between CA >>and >> IN. >> >> My questions for you guys and gals are: >> Do you disconnect every cable when the radio is not in use? What are >> Elecraft's expectations or recommendations to us? What chip does the >>K3S >> use for USB audio? How would Elecraft, the company, have handled this >> situation? >> >> Peter >> W0VLL > From john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com Thu Oct 8 13:47:13 2015 From: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com (John K9UWA) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 13:47:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: <20151008164124.95063149B361@mailman.qth.net> References: , , <20151008164124.95063149B361@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <5616AC21.16430.BCA72A@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> With three towers top is at 170 feet above ground level. Tallest trees are about 80 feet. We do get HIT lots of times per year. I unplug NOTHING. HOWEVER every wire and anything that is metal that comes and goes from our house is protected by a Polyphaser Protective device. Buried in the yard at 100 ground rods. Each one is 8 feet. Spaced at 16 foot intervals as a Triangle between the three towers plus radial strips outward from the towers to at least 1/3rd the total height. Plus perimeter ground around the house. As you have seen leave just one little wire someplace that isn't protected and POOF as they say damage to lots of things can happen. Consider the today many Ham Stations are remotely operated as is my station. No way to disconnect and reconnect. So it is either fix the stuff so it doesn't blow up or else deal with the consequences. If you haven't already seen it this is a video a friend took at my place a week or so ago when we installed a new Low Band Receiving antenna. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXvRrummVFY John k9uwa John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF Antique Radio Restorations k9uwa at arrl.net Visit our Web Site at: http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com 4836 Ranch Road Leo, IN 46765 USA 1-260-637-6426 From no9e at arrl.net Thu Oct 8 14:12:07 2015 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 11:12:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: <201510081634.t98GYnpL015110@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <56169779.1020004@gmail.com> <201510081634.t98GYnpL015110@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <1444327927958-7608841.post@n2.nabble.com> I usually disconnect antennas when away but keep the power connected. Last time going for a month-long vacation I disconnected all power. After reconnecting, there was a loud bang and Expert 2k-fa was gone. Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Unplugging-the-radio-to-protect-it-tp7608830p7608841.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From eric at elecraft.com Thu Oct 8 14:38:07 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 11:38:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: <1444327927958-7608841.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <56169779.1020004@gmail.com> <201510081634.t98GYnpL015110@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> <1444327927958-7608841.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5616B80F.1050007@elecraft.com> This thread and the 'disconnecting equipment' thread were closed earlier this morning. 73, Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ On 10/8/2015 11:12 AM, Ignacy wrote: > I usually disconnect antennas when away but keep the power connected. > > Last time going for a month-long vacation I disconnected all power. After > reconnecting, there was a loud bang and Expert 2k-fa was gone. > > Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. > > Ignacy, NO9E > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Unplugging-the-radio-to-protect-it-tp7608830p7608841.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From billamader at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 14:57:38 2015 From: billamader at gmail.com (Bill Mader) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 12:57:38 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it Message-ID: In addition to disconnecting all antenna cables and the single AC power cord for all but my remote base radio (not connected to any other shack gear), I unplug AC power and the DSL cord to my MODEM/router. I lost the previous router (and many other devices) during a lightning strike years ago. CAT5 cable conducts quite well! 73, Bill, K8TE -- Cheers, Bill From pf at tippete.net Thu Oct 8 15:02:23 2015 From: pf at tippete.net (Pierfrancesco Caci) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 21:02:23 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: <3455D535-583E-4A25-B430-77343F12FBBE@hollywoodtitle.com> (Elecraft's message of "Thu, 8 Oct 2015 09:47:28 -0700") References: <3455D535-583E-4A25-B430-77343F12FBBE@hollywoodtitle.com> Message-ID: <87bnc9fakg.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net> >>>>> "Elecraft" == Elecraft K3 writes: Elecraft> Hmm, this thread has got me wondering if a fiber optics Elecraft> telecom/tv/internet link provides some degree of Elecraft> protection against distant lightning strikes. Elecraft> Seems like it should. Yes, but the problem is your internal wiring. Even if you invest in a switch with optical ports (they come cheap on the used market), and you put an optical port in your main desktop PC, there are a lot of devices that only have copper. What killed my access point was a ligthning strike at some distance coupling to a ~4 m long ethernet cable connecting the AP to the switch. Incidentally, fiber would help get rid of those nice carriers polluting 12 and 10 m. Pf -- Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx From jim.w4atk at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 15:24:18 2015 From: jim.w4atk at gmail.com (Jim Rogers) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 14:24:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/100 Message-ID: <5616C2E2.1050102@gmail.com> K3/100 S/N 8164 purchased April 2, 2014 from Elecraft as a Kit. Assembled by a Certified Electronics Technician with over 60 years of amateur and professional experience(me). Condition is immaculate. Removed from service when my K3s arrived and it is now extraneous to my needs. I also have available a Timewave Navigator with the custom K3 cable, which provides a single USB connection from radio to computer, including sure enough FSK for RTTY and a K1EL Winkeyer for CW (fully supported by HRD) Unlike some similar interfaces, the Navigator supports firmware update to the K3 without any cable changes. We can negotiate the inclusion of the Navigator if interested in acquiring both. Internals: KPA3 (naturally) KANT3 (no atu) KXV3A KFL3A 2.8 8 pole filter KTCX03-1 1ppm TCXO All manuals and documentation included. Latest firmware and calibration. Asking $2200 for the K3/100 shipped (Continental US). I have allowed $100.00 for shipping. IF less or picked up, remaining shipping will be refunded. If more, my bad and the difference is mine. This offering is for PAYPAL ONLY. No cashier's checks, or postal money orders. If the buyer is local and planning on attending the Helena (AL) Hamfest this Saturday, I will have the K3 there with me. Any question or for additional information email and cell number provided below. Jim, W4ATK jim.w4atk at gmail.com (205) 520-4530 K-Line From kb7td at evross.com Thu Oct 8 15:35:52 2015 From: kb7td at evross.com (Eric Ross) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 12:35:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: <1444332864.1935642.405182033.0B4D76D5@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <3455D535-583E-4A25-B430-77343F12FBBE@hollywoodtitle.com> <87bnc9fakg.fsf@snoopy.tippete.net> <1444332864.1935642.405182033.0B4D76D5@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1444332952.1935903.405187561.6A2CACF7@webmail.messagingengine.com> On my computer equipment, including routers/switches, I have become a very strong advocate of putting a full UPS between the wall and the device. When I say full UPS I mean one that is always sourcing the device from the battery and not directly being fed from the primary source. The drawback of this is that they use a step-wise approximation of AC on the output. I haven't tried it directly with my K3 to see what noise gets through, but my computer, which is right next to it is not emitting anything worth noting. This way both power and network are relatively protected coming into my computers. I don't have any phone lines connected to the computers either. All my voice via the computer is through the network. The only route into the K3 is then the primary power supply and the antenna. I have also plan to put a battery between the power supply and the radio just for backup power needs as well which will then narrow it down to the antenna as the primary energy source. Eric kb7td On Thu, Oct 8, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Eric Ross wrote: > On my computer equipment, including routers/switches, I have become a > very strong advocate of putting a full UPS between the wall and the > device. > When I say full UPS I mean one that is always sourcing the device from > the battery and not directly being fed from the primary source. The > drawback > of this is that they use a step-wise approximation of AC on the output. > I haven't tried it directly with my K3 to see what noise gets > through, but my computer, which is right next to it is not emitting > anything worth noting. This way both power and network are relatively > protected coming into my computers. I don't have any phone lines > connected to the computers either. All my voice via the computer is > through the network. The only route into the K3 is then the primary > power supply > and the antenna. I have also plan to put a battery between the power > supply and > the radio just for backup power needs as well which will then narrow it > down to the antenna as the primary energy source. > > Eric > kb7td > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Pierfrancesco Caci wrote: > > >>>>> "Elecraft" == Elecraft K3 writes: > > > > > > Elecraft> Hmm, this thread has got me wondering if a fiber optics > > Elecraft> telecom/tv/internet link provides some degree of > > Elecraft> protection against distant lightning strikes. > > Elecraft> Seems like it should. > > > > Yes, but the problem is your internal wiring. Even if you invest in a > > switch with optical ports (they come cheap on the used market), and you > > put an optical port in your main desktop PC, there are a lot of devices > > that only have copper. What killed my access point was a ligthning strike > > at > > some distance coupling to a ~4 m long ethernet cable connecting the AP > > to the switch. > > > > Incidentally, fiber would help get rid of those nice carriers polluting > > 12 and 10 m. > > > > Pf > > > > -- > > Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to kb7td at evross.com > > > -- > Eric Ross -- Eric kb7td From schmiera at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 8 16:35:07 2015 From: schmiera at bellsouth.net (RICHARD SCHMIEDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 20:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] !.8 kHz 8 pole filter for sale References: <439847426.806270.1444336507811.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <439847426.806270.1444336507811.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hey all,I have a 1.8 kHz crystal filter I took out of my K3 for lack of use. New ones are $140. I'll sell this for $90 plus shipping. Pay Pal is best. If you're interested, contact me off list. Thanks, RickW4GE From wchofmann at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 16:48:58 2015 From: wchofmann at gmail.com (Wally -K7FEL-) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 13:48:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3 Cheap Message-ID: <1444337338179-7608848.post@n2.nabble.com> Someone must need the old KSYN3 (NOT B) board? It's a paperweight here. I'll sell it for $15 to cover shipping and a cup of coffee. Any takers? Wally K7FEL -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KSYN3-Cheap-tp7608848.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From drewko1 at verizon.net Thu Oct 8 16:50:37 2015 From: drewko1 at verizon.net (drewko) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 16:50:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5616D71D.50000@verizon.net> During active periods of lightning I sometimes disconnect everything from my K3, including headphones and key. I turn off my computer and disconnect everything from it also (ethernet cables seem especially prone to nearby lightning strikes). When in use they are powered through heavy series-mode surge protectors (i.e. big inductors), vs sacrificial MOV shunts. 73, Drew AF2Z On 10/08/15 09:46, Peter Pauly wrote: > I had an experience a couple weeks ago where the USB audio chip in my > Kenwood stopped working. Kenwood service refused to fix the problem under > warranty and blamed me for not unplugging every single cable to the radio > when not in use. I had only disconnected the antenna. Not the power, USB, > key, etc. No other equipment was affected and the USB CAT still worked, so > only one chip stopped working. The Kenwood service center even said they > have had tons of people with the same problem. That experience prompted me > to order a K3S and it's currently in a UPS truck somewhere between CA and > IN. > > My questions for you guys and gals are: > Do you disconnect every cable when the radio is not in use? What are > Elecraft's expectations or recommendations to us? What chip does the K3S > use for USB audio? How would Elecraft, the company, have handled this > situation? > > Peter > W0VLL > ______________________________________________________________ From w0wfh at yahoo.com Thu Oct 8 17:01:16 2015 From: w0wfh at yahoo.com (W0WFH Bill) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 21:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: <1444332952.1935903.405187561.6A2CACF7@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1444332952.1935903.405187561.6A2CACF7@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1918715198.1020872.1444338076630.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Eric:I am a big believer in UPS's that will run on an external battery.? Or I modifythe old UPS's to run on a battery.? Stoplots of spikes and other nasty things on power lines.? My K line run all on UPS'sand with external batteries.? AN ALWAYS DISCONNECT ANTENNAS.? I use polyphasers too but I had several of them burn out caused by lighting an surewouldn't have wanted to have had anything hooked up to them when the blew. Very good advice Eric.Bill Hudson, W0WFHex. cellular and two way field tech.Linn, Mo. 65051 From: Eric Ross To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it On my computer equipment, including routers/switches, I have become a very strong advocate of putting a full UPS between the wall and the device.? When I say full UPS I mean one that is always sourcing the device from the battery and not directly being fed from the primary source.? The drawback of this is that they use a step-wise approximation of AC on the output.? I haven't tried it directly with my K3 to see what noise gets through, but my computer, which is right next to it? is not emitting anything worth noting.? This way both power and network are relatively protected coming into my computers.? I don't have any phone lines connected to the computers either.? All my voice via the computer is through the network.? The only route into the K3 is then the primary power supply and the antenna.? I have also plan to put a battery between the power supply and the radio just for backup power needs as well which will then narrow it down to the antenna as the primary energy source. Eric kb7td On Thu, Oct 8, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Eric Ross wrote: > On my computer equipment, including routers/switches, I have become a > very strong advocate of putting a full UPS between the wall and the > device. > When I say full UPS I mean one that is always sourcing the device from > the battery and not directly being fed from the primary source.? The > drawback > of this is that they use a step-wise approximation of AC on the output. > I haven't tried it directly with my K3 to see what noise gets > through, but my computer, which is right next to it? is not emitting > anything worth noting.? This way both power and network are relatively > protected coming into my computers.? I don't have any phone lines > connected to the computers either.? All my voice via the computer is > through the network.? The only route into the K3 is then the primary > power supply > and the antenna.? I have also plan to put a battery between the power > supply and > the radio just for backup power needs as well which will then narrow it > down to the antenna as the primary energy source. > > Eric > kb7td > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Pierfrancesco Caci wrote: > > >>>>> "Elecraft" == Elecraft K3 writes: > > > > > >? ? Elecraft> Hmm, this thread has got me wondering if a fiber optics > >? ? Elecraft> telecom/tv/internet link provides some degree of > >? ? Elecraft> protection against distant lightning strikes. > >? ? Elecraft> Seems like it should. > > > > Yes, but the problem is your internal wiring. Even if you invest in a > > switch with optical ports (they come cheap on the used market), and you > > put an optical port in your main desktop PC, there are a lot of devices > > that only have copper. What killed my access point was a ligthning strike > > at > > some distance coupling to a ~4 m long ethernet cable connecting the AP > > to the switch. > > > > Incidentally, fiber would help get rid of those nice carriers polluting > > 12 and 10 m. > > > > Pf > > > > -- > > Pierfrancesco Caci, ik5pvx > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to kb7td at evross.com > > > -- >? Eric Ross -- Eric kb7td ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w0wfh at yahoo.com From sdsmithbiz at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 19:17:50 2015 From: sdsmithbiz at gmail.com (WD4SDC) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 16:17:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VSWR problem In-Reply-To: References: <1444259447701-7608809.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444274873156-7608813.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1444346270889-7608851.post@n2.nabble.com> Rick Robinson wrote > Could it be your load is not rated to 50 MHZ ? Some are only good to 30 > MHZ. Hi Rick. Good point. I should have included my load spec w/ the "facts": I'm using a Narda 40W DC->12GHz w/ N->BNC adapter I borrowed at work. And verified it @ 50MHz - just because sometimes test equipment gets abused ;) Steve. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-VSWR-problem-tp7608809p7608851.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 19:20:30 2015 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 01:20:30 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Unplugging the radio to protect it In-Reply-To: <5616D71D.50000@verizon.net> References: <5616D71D.50000@verizon.net> Message-ID: Lighning ! There but for the grace of 'Good Luck' go I... 73, Deni - F5VJC On 8 October 2015 at 22:50, drewko wrote: > During active periods of lightning I sometimes disconnect everything from > my K3, including headphones and key. I turn off my computer and disconnect > everything from it also (ethernet cables seem especially prone to nearby > lightning strikes). > > When in use they are powered through heavy series-mode surge protectors > (i.e. big inductors), vs sacrificial MOV shunts. > > 73, > Drew > AF2Z > > > > > On 10/08/15 09:46, Peter Pauly wrote: > >> I had an experience a couple weeks ago where the USB audio chip in my >> Kenwood stopped working. Kenwood service refused to fix the problem under >> warranty and blamed me for not unplugging every single cable to the radio >> when not in use. I had only disconnected the antenna. Not the power, USB, >> key, etc. No other equipment was affected and the USB CAT still worked, so >> only one chip stopped working. The Kenwood service center even said they >> have had tons of people with the same problem. That experience prompted me >> to order a K3S and it's currently in a UPS truck somewhere between CA and >> IN. >> >> My questions for you guys and gals are: >> Do you disconnect every cable when the radio is not in use? What are >> Elecraft's expectations or recommendations to us? What chip does the K3S >> use for USB audio? How would Elecraft, the company, have handled this >> situation? >> >> Peter >> W0VLL >> ______________________________________________________________ >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com > From wchofmann at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 21:49:50 2015 From: wchofmann at gmail.com (Wally -K7FEL-) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 18:49:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3 Cheap In-Reply-To: <1444337338179-7608848.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444337338179-7608848.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1444355390685-7608853.post@n2.nabble.com> A loving new home has been found.... Wally K7FEL -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KSYN3-Cheap-tp7608848p7608853.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From N4CW at aol.com Thu Oct 8 22:51:52 2015 From: N4CW at aol.com (N4CW at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 22:51:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 BC? Feedthru Message-ID: <30c357.2f3780e9.434885c8@aol.com> While operating CW during the CQP at my Maine QTH, on different bands and at different times, I heard "voices" coming through the KX3 where there shouldn't be any "voices"! Unlike images, they didn't change as I tuned around. It was like i.f. signal "leakage", and I mitigated the effect by turning off the preamp. If this topic's been covered before, I don't recall reading about it and would appreciate suggestions for the future. Bert, N4CW/K1IMI From k6kyj at yahoo.com Thu Oct 8 23:38:58 2015 From: k6kyj at yahoo.com (Ron Angle) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 03:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 References: <892752643.948334.1444361938577.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <892752643.948334.1444361938577.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I have a fairly old K2/100AT. It was in deep storage for a year. Friday I took it out of storage for CQP and ran it through some basic tests on a dummy load. I then went on the air on 20, 40, and 80 meters that evening on separate tuned dipole antennas with SWR better than 1.5. All operations were nominal and power output was 100 watts or less. Saturday morning, upon powering up, I received error messages of HIGH eFL and PA HOT.? I went to low power and confirmed a good SWR. I then went to a dummy load and attempted to bring power up to 100 watts. Nearing eight watts or so, the error messages reappeared. Removing the AT from the system made no difference. Tonight, I resumed tests and it appears that if I keep the power at five watts the rig will operate okay.? Wonderful.? I can work TX3X as QRP. I am not an EE.? I think I am a notch above appliance operator, however, and my summation is that the PA went south on me.? If so, it has faithfully served its masters.? The rig was previously used by AD6E on several expeditions (and Al is currently using a KX3 as one of the TX3X ops). Any feedback would be appreciated. From cf at cfcorp.com Fri Oct 9 00:07:01 2015 From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 21:07:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? Message-ID: <00de01d10247$f30dda80$d9298f80$@com> Hi, If I change bands on the KAT500 via the PC Data port, it appears that the new band data is not sent to the Amp Control connector. Is this expected behavior? (hoping no). For reference, my setup is: Kenwood TS-940 DXLabs Logging program KAT500 KPA500 The 940 is connected to the computer and controlled by DXLabs. DXLabs is configured to send commands to the KAT500 (follow the 940). This all works fine. I'm now trying to have the KPA500 follow the KAT500 via the Amp Control connector on the KAT500 (with E850463 cable). 73, Cliff K3LL From n5ia at zia-connection.com Fri Oct 9 01:07:26 2015 From: n5ia at zia-connection.com (Milt -- N5IA) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 22:07:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3 Cheap In-Reply-To: <1444337338179-7608848.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444337338179-7608848.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <491B7F5590634AAEAC1D36930F894B5D@MiltVostro2010> And I have 10 each of the KSYN3 boards should anyone be capable of putting them to good use. Just contact me off list. 72 de Milt, N5IA -----Original Message----- From: Wally -K7FEL- Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 1:48 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3 Cheap Someone must need the old KSYN3 (NOT B) board? It's a paperweight here. I'll sell it for $15 to cover shipping and a cup of coffee. Any takers? Wally K7FEL -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KSYN3-Cheap-tp7608848.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n5ia at zia-connection.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Oct 9 13:34:08 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:34:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 BC? Feedthru In-Reply-To: <30c357.2f3780e9.434885c8@aol.com> References: <30c357.2f3780e9.434885c8@aol.com> Message-ID: <7E2DC828-9615-44D9-88B8-23F3867F9DF9@wunderwood.org> Turn on RX SHIFT in the menu. This disables the roofing filters, but gets rid of baseband RF breakthrough. See page 40 of the manual. http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740163%20KX3%20Owner's%20man%20Rev%20C5.pdf wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Oct 8, 2015, at 7:51 PM, N4CW at aol.com wrote: > > While operating CW during the CQP at my Maine QTH, on different bands and > at different times, I heard > "voices" coming through the KX3 where there shouldn't be any "voices"! > Unlike images, they didn't change > as I tuned around. It was like i.f. signal "leakage", and I mitigated the > effect by turning off the preamp. > > If this topic's been covered before, I don't recall reading about it and > would appreciate suggestions for the > future. > > Bert, N4CW/K1IMI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From dick at elecraft.com Fri Oct 9 13:55:18 2015 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:55:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? In-Reply-To: <00de01d10247$f30dda80$d9298f80$@com> References: <00de01d10247$f30dda80$d9298f80$@com> Message-ID: <609B4564-D985-4F5B-A1D8-07E95AC59472@elecraft.com> The KAT500 can read, but not pull down the 4 band change lines. Dick, K6KR Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 8, 2015, at 21:07, Cliff Frescura wrote: > > Hi, > > > > If I change bands on the KAT500 via the PC Data port, it appears that the > new band data is not sent to the Amp Control connector. Is this expected > behavior? (hoping no). > > > > For reference, my setup is: > > > > Kenwood TS-940 > > DXLabs Logging program > > KAT500 > > KPA500 > > > > The 940 is connected to the computer and controlled by DXLabs. DXLabs is > configured to send commands to the KAT500 (follow the 940). This all works > fine. I'm now trying to have the KPA500 follow the KAT500 via the Amp > Control connector on the KAT500 (with E850463 cable). > > > > 73, > > > > Cliff K3LL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From edauer at law.du.edu Fri Oct 9 13:58:45 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 17:58:45 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3 Cheap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In the first few weeks after the new synths became available some of us tried to give our old ones away but couldn?t find anyone with a worthy need. If a market has developed since then, maybe someone will let us know - $15 would be outstanding. Ted, KN1CBR >------------------------------ > >Message: 23 >Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 13:48:58 -0700 (MST) >From: Wally -K7FEL- >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3 Cheap >Message-ID: <1444337338179-7608848.post at n2.nabble.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Someone must need the old KSYN3 (NOT B) board? It's a paperweight here. >I'll sell it for $15 to cover shipping and a cup of coffee. Any takers? >Wally K7FEL > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Oct 9 14:23:56 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 14:23:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 In-Reply-To: <892752643.948334.1444361938577.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <892752643.948334.1444361938577.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <892752643.948334.1444361938577.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5618063C.9050600@embarqmail.com> Ron, First the PA HOT message -- power off the K2 and let it rest for 30 minutes to acclimate to ambient temperature. Then power it on and enter the menu for CAL TPA. Edit the parameter and rotate the VFO knob to set the value at the ambient air temperature in degC. After that, check on the HiRefl message. If it is still present, the most likely problem is that the KPA100 wattmeter diode D17 has been damaged (usually a result of static coming in on the antenna feedline). Replace both D16 and D17 while you have the KPA100 disassembled - they are 1N5711 Schottky diodes. There could be problems other than a faulty D17 diode, but that is the most likely cause. It is very unlikely that the PA transistors are at fault for that problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/8/2015 11:38 PM, Ron Angle wrote: > I have a fairly old K2/100AT. It was in deep storage for a year. Friday I took it out of storage for CQP and ran it through some basic tests on a dummy load. I then went on the air on 20, 40, and 80 meters that evening on separate tuned dipole antennas with SWR better than 1.5. All operations were nominal and power output was 100 watts or less. > Saturday morning, upon powering up, I received error messages of HIGH eFL and PA HOT. I went to low power and confirmed a good SWR. I then went to a dummy load and attempted to bring power up to 100 watts. Nearing eight watts or so, the error messages reappeared. Removing the AT from the system made no difference. > > From cf at cfcorp.com Fri Oct 9 14:54:17 2015 From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 11:54:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? In-Reply-To: <609B4564-D985-4F5B-A1D8-07E95AC59472@elecraft.com> References: <00de01d10247$f30dda80$d9298f80$@com> <609B4564-D985-4F5B-A1D8-07E95AC59472@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <011501d102c3$e647d2c0$b2d77840$@com> Thanks Dick, Looks like I could either have the KPA500 sniff the RS-232 line into the KAT500 (use RXD pin only at the KPA500), or implement BAND0-3 and make it minimally emulate a K3S into the KPA500. 73, Cliff K3LL -----Original Message----- From: Dick Dievendorff [mailto:dick at elecraft.com] Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 10:55 AM To: Cliff Frescura Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? The KAT500 can read, but not pull down the 4 band change lines. Dick, K6KR Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 8, 2015, at 21:07, Cliff Frescura wrote: > > Hi, > > > > If I change bands on the KAT500 via the PC Data port, it appears that > the new band data is not sent to the Amp Control connector. Is this > expected behavior? (hoping no). > > > > For reference, my setup is: > > > > Kenwood TS-940 > > DXLabs Logging program > > KAT500 > > KPA500 > > > > The 940 is connected to the computer and controlled by DXLabs. DXLabs > is configured to send commands to the KAT500 (follow the 940). This > all works fine. I'm now trying to have the KPA500 follow the KAT500 > via the Amp Control connector on the KAT500 (with E850463 cable). > > > > 73, > > > > Cliff K3LL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > dick at elecraft.com From daleputnam at hotmail.com Fri Oct 9 15:45:04 2015 From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 13:45:04 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Power jack size ? Message-ID: E620026 is the part number for the hole-through PCB mounted power plug for the K1. What is the outside size of that jack? the inside is 2.1mm. I am planning to build a test jig for the K1 for the lab. Thankyou, Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy From daleputnam at hotmail.com Fri Oct 9 15:47:46 2015 From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 13:47:46 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Power jack size ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: the outside contact size is what is being asked.. Mouser has a list of assortments. Thankyou. Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy From: daleputnam at hotmail.com To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: K1 Power jack size ? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 13:45:04 -0600 E620026 is the part number for the hole-through PCB mounted power plug for the K1. What is the outside size of that jack? the inside is 2.1mm. I am planning to build a test jig for the K1 for the lab. Thankyou, Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy From cf at cfcorp.com Fri Oct 9 17:09:58 2015 From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 14:09:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? In-Reply-To: <86DEB1B3-0A27-4291-BBEF-2504FE229345@me.com> References: <00de01d10247$f30dda80$d9298f80$@com> <609B4564-D985-4F5B-A1D8-07E95AC59472@elecraft.com> <011501d102c3$e647d2c0$b2d77840$@com> <86DEB1B3-0A27-4291-BBEF-2504FE229345@me.com> Message-ID: <017601d102d6$db02dd70$91089850$@com> Thanks Jack and others that replied off list. I'm going to go with the y cable sniffer approach. Since I don't use the amp all the time, I'd rather not have to power it up just so the KAT500 can receive commands from the Kenwood. 73, Cliff K3ll -----Original Message----- From: Jack Brindle [mailto:jackbrindle at me.com] Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 12:55 PM To: Cliff Frescura Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? Or connect the Kenwood?s serial port to the KPA500?s Radio port, then set the RADIO = SERIAL in the KPA. Follow the directions in the KPA manual. This is exactly what that serial port is designed to do. Make sure you use the RADIO port, not the PC port for this. If you connect the serial port from the TS-940 to a computer, just make a Y cable to allow the KPA to see the data going from the Radio to the computer. And make sure the TX line is not connected to the KPA. Also note that the KPA will not interpret the data destined for the KAT500. It is specifically look for transceiver data on the Radio port, or KPA-specific commands on the PC port. - Jack, W6FB > On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Cliff Frescura wrote: > > Thanks Dick, > > Looks like I could either have the KPA500 sniff the RS-232 line into > the > KAT500 (use RXD pin only at the KPA500), or implement BAND0-3 and make > it minimally emulate a K3S into the KPA500. > > 73, > > Cliff K3LL > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dick Dievendorff [mailto:dick at elecraft.com] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 10:55 AM > To: Cliff Frescura > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? > > The KAT500 can read, but not pull down the 4 band change lines. > > Dick, K6KR > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 8, 2015, at 21:07, Cliff Frescura wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> If I change bands on the KAT500 via the PC Data port, it appears that >> the new band data is not sent to the Amp Control connector. Is this >> expected behavior? (hoping no). >> >> >> >> For reference, my setup is: >> >> >> >> Kenwood TS-940 >> >> DXLabs Logging program >> >> KAT500 >> >> KPA500 >> >> >> >> The 940 is connected to the computer and controlled by DXLabs. >> DXLabs is configured to send commands to the KAT500 (follow the 940). >> This all works fine. I'm now trying to have the KPA500 follow the >> KAT500 via the Amp Control connector on the KAT500 (with E850463 cable). >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> >> >> Cliff K3LL >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> dick at elecraft.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jackbrindle at me.com From pincon at erols.com Fri Oct 9 18:06:26 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 18:06:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3 Cheap In-Reply-To: <1444355390685-7608853.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444337338179-7608848.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444355390685-7608853.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <009101d102de$c2f0c7d0$48d25770$@erols.com> This strictly my personal opinion, but I did not even consider "up-grading" my K3 by purchasing the newer boards. Mainly for this very reason. What ru gonna do with the old boards? They have practically ZERO value. BUT, a good working K3, even if it doesn't have the super synth board etc., still has significant value. Maybe not quite as much as it did B4 the K3S came out, but I figured I could sell my 23XX S/N K3, buy a new K3S and come out ahead of upgrading with a couple new boards and throwing the old ones in the dumpster. This way, the "old" boards have not been converted to junk and a good K3 is still on the air. Also, I don't have to worry if some little known production upgrade slipped by me since my brandie new K3S has 'em all. Stated in different terms, I bought a K3S and sold my K3 for less of a $$ difference than if I had purchased the new version boards for my older K3. Not trying to start a fight, it's just my opinion. 73, Charlie k3ICH From NZ3O at arrl.net Fri Oct 9 18:55:06 2015 From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 18:55:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sub - No Signals Message-ID: <561845CA.4010805@arrl.net> I have found myself again in this mode where pressing the SUB button reveals white noise but no signals. When I flick the A/B or hold the BSET buttons, they are really LOUD. But noting on SUB. I have checked that the antenna is correct (same as MAIN (ANT1), the RF GAIN and AF GAIN are up, and there are no words or icons in the display to suggest I have something else set. When this happened to me and the radio was new, it was the wrong ANT, not not this time. Any suggestions? It's a pain tracking the TX3X guys without SUB giving me signals. 73, Byron From wp3c at aol.com Fri Oct 9 19:54:56 2015 From: wp3c at aol.com (Alfredo Velez WP3C) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:54:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Prolific driver windows 10 In-Reply-To: <8D29DDFC37F20B4-E34-29CB25@webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D29DDFC37F20B4-E34-29CB25@webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8D2D1050909F299-444-E70CD@webmail-vd015.sysops.aol.com> Any other USB cable to RS-232 that Works with Windows 10? Alfredo Velez WP3C/NP4DX e-mail: mailto:wp3c at aol.com Web:?http://www.wp3c.comule.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Alfredo Velez WP3C via Elecraft To: elecraft Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2015 5:55 pm Subject: [Elecraft] Prolific driver windows 10 HI I installed Windows 10 and now it does not recognize the K3 by the CAT. I want to know if there is a new prolific driver. Thanks 73' Alfredo Velez WP3C/NP4DX e-mail: mailto:wp3c at aol.com Web:?http://www.wp3c.comule.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wp3c at aol.com From jackbrindle at me.com Fri Oct 9 15:54:54 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 12:54:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? In-Reply-To: <011501d102c3$e647d2c0$b2d77840$@com> References: <00de01d10247$f30dda80$d9298f80$@com> <609B4564-D985-4F5B-A1D8-07E95AC59472@elecraft.com> <011501d102c3$e647d2c0$b2d77840$@com> Message-ID: <86DEB1B3-0A27-4291-BBEF-2504FE229345@me.com> Or connect the Kenwood?s serial port to the KPA500?s Radio port, then set the RADIO = SERIAL in the KPA. Follow the directions in the KPA manual. This is exactly what that serial port is designed to do. Make sure you use the RADIO port, not the PC port for this. If you connect the serial port from the TS-940 to a computer, just make a Y cable to allow the KPA to see the data going from the Radio to the computer. And make sure the TX line is not connected to the KPA. Also note that the KPA will not interpret the data destined for the KAT500. It is specifically look for transceiver data on the Radio port, or KPA-specific commands on the PC port. - Jack, W6FB > On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Cliff Frescura wrote: > > Thanks Dick, > > Looks like I could either have the KPA500 sniff the RS-232 line into the > KAT500 (use RXD pin only at the KPA500), or implement BAND0-3 and make it > minimally emulate a K3S into the KPA500. > > 73, > > Cliff K3LL > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dick Dievendorff [mailto:dick at elecraft.com] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 10:55 AM > To: Cliff Frescura > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? > > The KAT500 can read, but not pull down the 4 band change lines. > > Dick, K6KR > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 8, 2015, at 21:07, Cliff Frescura wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> If I change bands on the KAT500 via the PC Data port, it appears that >> the new band data is not sent to the Amp Control connector. Is this >> expected behavior? (hoping no). >> >> >> >> For reference, my setup is: >> >> >> >> Kenwood TS-940 >> >> DXLabs Logging program >> >> KAT500 >> >> KPA500 >> >> >> >> The 940 is connected to the computer and controlled by DXLabs. DXLabs >> is configured to send commands to the KAT500 (follow the 940). This >> all works fine. I'm now trying to have the KPA500 follow the KAT500 >> via the Amp Control connector on the KAT500 (with E850463 cable). >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> >> >> Cliff K3LL >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> dick at elecraft.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From huntinhmb at coastside.net Fri Oct 9 20:41:52 2015 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 17:41:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Power jack size ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56185ED0.7080601@coastside.net> Outside of the jack (hole) size is 6.50 +/- 0.04 mm diameter measured. Hole has a little springy contact that will accommodate a smaller plug. OD contact size of the plug is 5.50 +/- 0.02 mm measured. Yeah, it's really confusing. Brian, K0DTJ On 10/9/2015 12:47, Dale Putnam wrote: > the outside contact size is what is being asked.. > Mouser has a list of assortments. > Thankyou. > > Have a great day, > > > --... ...-- > Dale - WC7S in Wy > > > > > From: daleputnam at hotmail.com > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: K1 Power jack size ? > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 13:45:04 -0600 > > > > > E620026 is the part number for the hole-through PCB mounted power plug for the K1. > What is the outside size of that jack? the inside is 2.1mm. > > I am planning to build a test jig for the K1 for the lab. > > Thankyou, > > Have a great day, > > > --... ...-- > Dale - WC7S in Wy > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to huntinhmb at coastside.net > From josh at voodoolab.com Fri Oct 9 20:43:17 2015 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 17:43:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Power jack size ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <845481EC-D0C8-4504-A926-8FFE2B86EEEB@voodoolab.com> Almost certainly 5.5mm. I don't have one, but 5.5x2.1 is by far the most common DC power jack. 73 Josh W6XU Sent from my mobile device > On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Dale Putnam wrote: > > E620026 is the part number for the hole-through PCB mounted power plug for the K1. > What is the outside size of that jack? the inside is 2.1mm. > > I am planning to build a test jig for the K1 for the lab. > > Thankyou, > > Have a great day, > > > --... ...-- > Dale - WC7S in Wy > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to josh at voodoolab.com From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Fri Oct 9 20:56:55 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 20:56:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Prolific driver windows 10 In-Reply-To: <8D2D1050909F299-444-E70CD@webmail-vd015.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D29DDFC37F20B4-E34-29CB25@webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com> <8D2D1050909F299-444-E70CD@webmail-vd015.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <02a101d102f6$8ff91090$afeb31b0$@carolinaheli.com> The MFJ unit sold by HRO works on windows 10. Jerry Moore AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 An Amatuer is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Alfredo Velez WP3C Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 7:55 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prolific driver windows 10 Any other USB cable to RS-232 that Works with Windows 10? Alfredo Velez WP3C/NP4DX e-mail: mailto:wp3c at aol.com Web: http://www.wp3c.comule.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Alfredo Velez WP3C via Elecraft To: elecraft Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2015 5:55 pm Subject: [Elecraft] Prolific driver windows 10 HI I installed Windows 10 and now it does not recognize the K3 by the CAT. I want to know if there is a new prolific driver. Thanks 73' Alfredo Velez WP3C/NP4DX e-mail: mailto:wp3c at aol.com Web: http://www.wp3c.comule.com/ From daleputnam at hotmail.com Fri Oct 9 21:42:56 2015 From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:42:56 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Power jack size ? In-Reply-To: <845481EC-D0C8-4504-A926-8FFE2B86EEEB@voodoolab.com> References: , <845481EC-D0C8-4504-A926-8FFE2B86EEEB@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: Thank you Josh, and Brian, and all the rest for the fast answers. Very helpful, you guys and this list!! Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Power jack size ? > From: josh at voodoolab.com > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 17:43:17 -0700 > CC: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > To: daleputnam at hotmail.com > > Almost certainly 5.5mm. I don't have one, but 5.5x2.1 is by far the most common DC power jack. > > 73 > Josh W6XU > > Sent from my mobile device > > > On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Dale Putnam wrote: > > > > E620026 is the part number for the hole-through PCB mounted power plug for the K1. > > What is the outside size of that jack? the inside is 2.1mm. > > > > I am planning to build a test jig for the K1 for the lab. > > > > Thankyou, > > > > Have a great day, > > > > > > --... ...-- > > Dale - WC7S in Wy > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to josh at voodoolab.com From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Fri Oct 9 21:43:58 2015 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 20:43:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Prolific driver windows 10 In-Reply-To: <8D2D1050909F299-444-E70CD@webmail-vd015.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D29DDFC37F20B4-E34-29CB25@webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com> <8D2D1050909F299-444-E70CD@webmail-vd015.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <56186D5E.4030701@mediacombb.net> Anything with an FTDI chip set. On 10/9/2015 6:54 PM, Alfredo Velez WP3C wrote: > Any other USB cable to RS-232 that Works with Windows 10? > > Alfredo Velez WP3C/NP4DX > e-mail: mailto:wp3c at aol.com > Web: http://www.wp3c.comule.com/ -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 From NZ3O at arrl.net Fri Oct 9 21:56:45 2015 From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 21:56:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] SOLVED: K3S Sub - No Signals In-Reply-To: <561845CA.4010805@arrl.net> References: <561845CA.4010805@arrl.net> Message-ID: <5618705D.8010104@arrl.net> Once again, this was the antenna selection. I found that PHONE was set to a different ANT than SSB on some bands. When I squint at the display it says ANT, which looks a lot like ANT1. My suggestion would be this appear more like the FILTER display with [ 1 x x ] or something more obvious. Since I've tripped over it doesn't seem I'm compatible. Both the P3 and KPA seemed to transmit, which is what confused me. 72, Byron On 10/09/2015 06:55 PM, Byron Peebles wrote: > I have found myself again in this mode where pressing the SUB button > reveals white noise but no signals. > When I flick the A/B or hold the BSET buttons, they are really LOUD. > But noting on SUB. > > I have checked that the antenna is correct (same as MAIN (ANT1), the > RF GAIN and AF GAIN are up, and there are no words or icons in the > display to suggest I have something else set. > > When this happened to me and the radio was new, it was the wrong ANT, > not not this time. > > Any suggestions? It's a pain tracking the TX3X guys without SUB > giving me signals. > > 73, Byron > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nz3o at arrl.net > From bw_dw at fastmail.fm Fri Oct 9 22:01:38 2015 From: bw_dw at fastmail.fm (dw) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 19:01:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Quick K3 question Message-ID: <1444442498.2076963.406360873.0BEFD578@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi All, Got the K3s/10 assembled and trying to get used to it. One quick and easy question I'm sure you will know, that I haven't found myself. How do I disable the beeps when buttons are pushed? Thanks N1BBR -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net From bw_dw at fastmail.fm Fri Oct 9 22:03:33 2015 From: bw_dw at fastmail.fm (dw) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 19:03:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Cw Skimmer Message-ID: <1444442613.2077617.406363321.430E43B0@webmail.messagingengine.com> Is anyone using CW Skimmer with the K3? I'd like to get your thoughts. Tnx N1BBR -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Oct 9 22:27:04 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 22:27:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Quick K3 question In-Reply-To: <1444442498.2076963.406360873.0BEFD578@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1444442498.2076963.406360873.0BEFD578@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <56187778.2010402@embarqmail.com> Config menu SW TONE - set it to OFF. Read through the menu settings section of the manual (starting on page 55) to give you an idea about how the K3S can be configured to your preferences. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/9/2015 10:01 PM, dw wrote: > Hi All, > Got the K3s/10 assembled and trying to get used to it. > One quick and easy question I'm sure you will know, that I haven't found > myself. > How do I disable the beeps when buttons are pushed? > Thanks > N1BBR From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Oct 9 22:31:57 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 21:31:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Quick K3 question In-Reply-To: <1444442498.2076963.406360873.0BEFD578@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1444442498.2076963.406360873.0BEFD578@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <5618789D.9020704@blomand.net> See SW TONE page 65 in the manual for details. Otherwise, go to CW mode and set MON value to 0. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/9/2015 9:01 PM, dw wrote: > Hi All, > Got the K3s/10 assembled and trying to get used to it. > One quick and easy question I'm sure you will know, that I haven't found > myself. > How do I disable the beeps when buttons are pushed? > Thanks > N1BBR From kk1w.jim at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 22:41:13 2015 From: kk1w.jim at gmail.com (KK1W) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:41:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 BC? Feedthru In-Reply-To: <30c357.2f3780e9.434885c8@aol.com> References: <30c357.2f3780e9.434885c8@aol.com> Message-ID: <1444444873912-7608880.post@n2.nabble.com> Try enabling RX SHFT. It moves the IF from 0.0 to 8.0 kHz and usually solves the problem. More detail in the manual on page 38. Jim/KK1W N4CW wrote > While operating CW during the CQP at my Maine QTH, on different bands and > at different times, I heard > "voices" coming through the KX3 where there shouldn't be any "voices"! > Unlike images, they didn't change > as I tuned around. It was like i.f. signal "leakage", and I mitigated the > effect by turning off the preamp. > > If this topic's been covered before, I don't recall reading about it and > would appreciate suggestions for the > future. > > Bert, N4CW/K1IMI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-BC-Feedthru-tp7608854p7608880.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Fri Oct 9 23:45:45 2015 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 20:45:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Cw Skimmer In-Reply-To: <1444442613.2077617.406363321.430E43B0@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1444442613.2077617.406363321.430E43B0@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <561889E9.9050605@cis-broadband.com> The only way you can use CW Skimmer directly with the K3 is in "Audio Mode", where the passband supplied to CW Skimmer is limited by whatever filter you have engaged (i.e., 2.7 KHz, etc). If you want to see a reasonable portion of spectrum you need a separate hardware interface that generates I/Q signals. Dave AB7E On 10/9/2015 7:03 PM, dw wrote: > Is anyone using CW Skimmer with the K3? > I'd like to get your thoughts. > Tnx > N1BBR From oh6ct at sral.fi Sat Oct 10 01:49:42 2015 From: oh6ct at sral.fi (Olli Tuppurainen) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 08:49:42 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Cw Skimmer In-Reply-To: <1444442613.2077617.406363321.430E43B0@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1444442613.2077617.406363321.430E43B0@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <000601d1031f$75e386d0$61aa9470$@sral.fi> I have FiFi SDR RX ( http://www.box73.com/product/3 ) connected to K3 IF output with CW skimmer. Very nice especially in pileups when trying to find where DX is listening. Olli OH6CT > -----Alkuper?inen viesti----- > L?hett?j?: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Puolesta dw > L?hetetty: 10. lokakuuta 2015 5:04 > Vastaanottaja: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Aihe: [Elecraft] Cw Skimmer > > Is anyone using CW Skimmer with the K3? > I'd like to get your thoughts. > Tnx > N1BBR > -- > Bw_dw at fastmail.net > > __________________________________________________________ > ____ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to oh6ct at sral.fi From bob at hogbytes.com Sat Oct 10 09:49:50 2015 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 06:49:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Cw Skimmer In-Reply-To: <000601d1031f$75e386d0$61aa9470$@sral.fi> References: <1444442613.2077617.406363321.430E43B0@webmail.messagingengine.com> <000601d1031f$75e386d0$61aa9470$@sral.fi> Message-ID: <1444484990301-7608883.post@n2.nabble.com> Search for NA1DX . Doug has written up a detailed explanation regarding the use and configuration of K3/KX3 with CW Skimmer. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Cw-Skimmer-tp7608877p7608883.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w5kdj at consolidated.net Sat Oct 10 13:05:59 2015 From: w5kdj at consolidated.net (W5KDJ) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Delete test Message-ID: <201510101705.042439@ms02.consolidated.net> W5KDJ - Wayne Rogers USNR (Ret.) 3DA0KDJ 5R8KD 7P8KDJ A25KDJ C91KDJ SV0WWW TF2WJN YI9PSE YN2KDJ LoTW eQSL (No Bureau Pse) Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!' until you can find a rock. From w5kdj at consolidated.net Sat Oct 10 13:27:03 2015 From: w5kdj at consolidated.net (W5KDJ) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE KPA-500 Amp. Message-ID: <201510101727.042441@ms02.consolidated.net> Purchased 5/13. Used about 3 hours and that is why I am selling it. $1950.00 W5KDJ - Wayne Rogers USNR (Ret.) 3DA0KDJ 5R8KD 7P8KDJ A25KDJ C91KDJ SV0WWW TF2WJN YI9PSE YN2KDJ LoTW eQSL (No Bureau Pse) Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!' until you can find a rock. From NZ3O at arrl.net Sat Oct 10 13:54:33 2015 From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:54:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S-P3 Digital Cooperation Message-ID: <561950D9.4030805@arrl.net> I'm hampered with issues using the CBLP3Y with my K3S and P3. So, my question isn't about "getting it working", but about what features I'm missing. I have the K3S RJ-45 connected to the lower connection on the P3. Q: How do I test that this connection is "working"? I have a USB A-B cable between my computer and the K3S. I have a USB-Serial cable between the computer and the P3. Q: Is this losing me any functionality at all beyond the loss of one additional "port" on the computer? Right now I'm hoping this configuration loses no functionality of data modes between the K3S and P3. Q: Can someone confirm I'll be able to use all K3S and P3 coordinated data mode functions this way? 72, Byron From mzilmer at roadrunner.com Sat Oct 10 14:06:11 2015 From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 11:06:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S-P3 Digital Cooperation In-Reply-To: <561950D9.4030805@arrl.net> References: <561950D9.4030805@arrl.net> Message-ID: <3eki1b5cn7hdg626obu67g6bk6r0vkp3vf@4ax.com> The CBLP3Y is connected to the K3S at one end (RJ45). At the other end, both DE9 connectors engage the P3 (one male, one female) This is all documented in the K3S owner's manual. As of the A1 rev, the diagram showing the K3S / P3 interconnect is on p18 of that manual. 73, matt W6NIA On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:54:33 -0400, you wrote: >I'm hampered with issues using the CBLP3Y with my K3S and P3. >So, my question isn't about "getting it working", but about what >features I'm missing. > >I have the K3S RJ-45 connected to the lower connection on the P3. >Q: How do I test that this connection is "working"? > >I have a USB A-B cable between my computer and the K3S. >I have a USB-Serial cable between the computer and the P3. >Q: Is this losing me any functionality at all beyond the loss of one >additional "port" on the computer? > >Right now I'm hoping this configuration loses no functionality of data >modes between the K3S and P3. >Q: Can someone confirm I'll be able to use all K3S and P3 coordinated >data mode functions this way? > >72, Byron > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to mzilmer at roadrunner.com Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Always store beer in a dark place." -R. Heinlein From schmiera at bellsouth.net Sat Oct 10 14:36:16 2015 From: schmiera at bellsouth.net (Richard Schmiedt) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:36:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 1.8 kHz 8 pole filter is sold. Message-ID: <72573195-9C07-4CD1-A631-65922B599C9D@bellsouth.net> Thanks all! Rick W4GE Sent from my iPhone From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 14:43:28 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 04:43:28 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air In-Reply-To: <83C98556-7E2D-437A-8099-30A6E82E2CF4@elecraft.com> References: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> <56140E17.1080403@triconet.org> <83C98556-7E2D-437A-8099-30A6E82E2CF4@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <56195c52.0af7440a.328d1.5815@mx.google.com> My kinda lifestyle:-) -----Original Message----- From: "Wayne Burdick" Sent: ?7/?10/?2015 4:16 AM To: "Wes (N7WS)" Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air Maybe the TX3X team actually has a life? (Snorkeling, beer, group sing-a-longs, sleeping, leisurely brunch, more beer....) Wayne On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:08 AM, "Wes (N7WS)" wrote: > Rolling along? Twelve ops, seven complete 500W stations and ton of antennas and 21K Q's in 6 days. > > E6GG with seven ops and four radios made ~ 49k Q's in 12 days. > > Just sayin' > > > > On 10/6/2015 10:22 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> TX3X on the the Chesterfield Islands is rolling along with their K3s and KPA500s. >> >> See: www.tx3x.com >> and >> http://www.dxsummit.fi/#/?dx_calls=TX3X >> >> 73, >> >> Eric >> /elecraft.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Oct 10 15:15:01 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:15:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S-P3 Digital Cooperation In-Reply-To: <561950D9.4030805@arrl.net> References: <561950D9.4030805@arrl.net> Message-ID: <561963B5.2070708@embarqmail.com> Byron, If you are having problems with your CBLP3Y, then connect the P3 to the PC using your USB to Serial adapter. Then connect the P3 to the K3S using the RJ-45 to DE-9 cable (E980297). Do *not* connect a USB cable to the PC. In other words connect as shown on page 13 of the P3 manual and more specifically as shown on page 19 of the K3S manual. In the K3S menu, go to the CONFIG:RS232 and set the parameter to something other than USB - 38400 is recommended. Direct the K3 Utility program to the COM port that has been assigned to the USB to serial adapter and test communications. Do the same with P3 Utility. If both Utility programs can establish communications, you should have full function. The K3 Utility should work whether the P3 is powered or not. Of course, the P3 Utility will only work if the P3 is turned on. If your CBLP3Y cable is faulty, you should request a replacement from Elecraft. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/10/2015 1:54 PM, Byron Peebles wrote: > I'm hampered with issues using the CBLP3Y with my K3S and P3. > So, my question isn't about "getting it working", but about what > features I'm missing. > > I have the K3S RJ-45 connected to the lower connection on the P3. > Q: How do I test that this connection is "working"? > > I have a USB A-B cable between my computer and the K3S. > I have a USB-Serial cable between the computer and the P3. > Q: Is this losing me any functionality at all beyond the loss of one > additional "port" on the computer? > > Right now I'm hoping this configuration loses no functionality of data > modes between the K3S and P3. > Q: Can someone confirm I'll be able to use all K3S and P3 coordinated > data mode functions this way? > From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sat Oct 10 15:16:55 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:16:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air In-Reply-To: <56195c52.0af7440a.328d1.5815@mx.google.com> References: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> <56140E17.1080403@triconet.org> <83C98556-7E2D-437A-8099-30A6E82E2CF4@elecraft.com> <56195c52.0af7440a.328d1.5815@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <035f01d10390$3bcfe7b0$b36fb710$@carolinaheli.com> Not hearing them at all -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:43 PM To: Wayne Burdick; Wes (N7WS) Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air My kinda lifestyle:-) -----Original Message----- From: "Wayne Burdick" Sent: ?7/?10/?2015 4:16 AM To: "Wes (N7WS)" Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air Maybe the TX3X team actually has a life? (Snorkeling, beer, group sing-a-longs, sleeping, leisurely brunch, more beer....) Wayne On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:08 AM, "Wes (N7WS)" wrote: > Rolling along? Twelve ops, seven complete 500W stations and ton of antennas and 21K Q's in 6 days. > > E6GG with seven ops and four radios made ~ 49k Q's in 12 days. > > Just sayin' > > > > On 10/6/2015 10:22 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >> TX3X on the the Chesterfield Islands is rolling along with their K3s and KPA500s. >> >> See: www.tx3x.com >> and >> http://www.dxsummit.fi/#/?dx_calls=TX3X >> >> 73, >> >> Eric >> /elecraft.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Oct 10 15:51:20 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:51:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air In-Reply-To: <035f01d10390$3bcfe7b0$b36fb710$@carolinaheli.com> References: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> <56140E17.1080403@triconet.org> <83C98556-7E2D-437A-8099-30A6E82E2CF4@elecraft.com> <56195c52.0af7440a.328d1.5815@mx.google.com> <035f01d10390$3bcfe7b0$b36fb710$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <65FCA283-1B37-4EEB-84F7-C57AE37EEB29@me.com> They are on. The Elecraft rigs sound great (of course, I?m a bit biased)? I worked them on 21285 SSB a short time ago. They are presently very readable here in Northern California. Propagation conditions are much better today than yesterday with much lower QRN caused by solar conditions (geomagnetic storming). Keep trying. They are weak but workable. The K6TU propagation charts accessible from the TX3X web site are definitely a help. Stu has done a great job with his propagation site, worth checking out. 73! Jack, W6FB > On Oct 10, 2015, at 12:16 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > > Not hearing them at all > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:43 PM > To: Wayne Burdick; Wes (N7WS) > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air > > My kinda lifestyle:-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Wayne Burdick" > Sent: ?7/?10/?2015 4:16 AM > To: "Wes (N7WS)" > Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air > > Maybe the TX3X team actually has a life? (Snorkeling, beer, group sing-a-longs, sleeping, leisurely brunch, more beer....) > > Wayne > > > On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:08 AM, "Wes (N7WS)" wrote: > >> Rolling along? Twelve ops, seven complete 500W stations and ton of antennas and 21K Q's in 6 days. >> >> E6GG with seven ops and four radios made ~ 49k Q's in 12 days. >> >> Just sayin' >> >> >> >> On 10/6/2015 10:22 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >>> TX3X on the the Chesterfield Islands is rolling along with their K3s and KPA500s. >>> >>> See: www.tx3x.com >>> and >>> http://www.dxsummit.fi/#/?dx_calls=TX3X >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Eric >>> /elecraft.com/ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sat Oct 10 16:04:55 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:04:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air In-Reply-To: <65FCA283-1B37-4EEB-84F7-C57AE37EEB29@me.com> References: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> <56140E17.1080403@triconet.org> <83C98556-7E2D-437A-8099-30A6E82E2CF4@elecraft.com> <56195c52.0af7440a.328d1.5815@mx.google.com> <035f01d10390$3bcfe7b0$b36fb710$@carolinaheli.com> <65FCA283-1B37-4EEB-84F7-C57AE37EEB29@me.com> Message-ID: <036101d10396$ef7190b0$ce54b210$@carolinaheli.com> The issue is likely because my dipole is oriented towards EU.. I need to lookup the bearing from SC and probably move the ends of my dipole (not easily done). Jer -----Original Message----- From: Jack Brindle [mailto:jackbrindle at me.com] Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 3:51 PM To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air They are on. The Elecraft rigs sound great (of course, I?m a bit biased)? I worked them on 21285 SSB a short time ago. They are presently very readable here in Northern California. Propagation conditions are much better today than yesterday with much lower QRN caused by solar conditions (geomagnetic storming). Keep trying. They are weak but workable. The K6TU propagation charts accessible from the TX3X web site are definitely a help. Stu has done a great job with his propagation site, worth checking out. 73! Jack, W6FB > On Oct 10, 2015, at 12:16 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > > Not hearing them at all > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Gary > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:43 PM > To: Wayne Burdick; Wes (N7WS) > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield > Islands onthe air > > My kinda lifestyle:-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Wayne Burdick" > Sent: ?7/?10/?2015 4:16 AM > To: "Wes (N7WS)" > Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield > Islands onthe air > > Maybe the TX3X team actually has a life? (Snorkeling, beer, group > sing-a-longs, sleeping, leisurely brunch, more beer....) > > Wayne > > > On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:08 AM, "Wes (N7WS)" wrote: > >> Rolling along? Twelve ops, seven complete 500W stations and ton of antennas and 21K Q's in 6 days. >> >> E6GG with seven ops and four radios made ~ 49k Q's in 12 days. >> >> Just sayin' >> >> >> >> On 10/6/2015 10:22 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >>> TX3X on the the Chesterfield Islands is rolling along with their K3s and KPA500s. >>> >>> See: www.tx3x.com >>> and >>> http://www.dxsummit.fi/#/?dx_calls=TX3X >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Eric >>> /elecraft.com/ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > vk1zzgary at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jermo at carolinaheli.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jackbrindle at me.com From ava622 at verizon.net Sat Oct 10 16:06:16 2015 From: ava622 at verizon.net (Michael Aust) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 20:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone try the BHI DSP Speaker on the K3 References: <137781377.1806700.1444507576439.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <137781377.1806700.1444507576439.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Wondering if anyone has tried the?BHI DSP Speaker on the K3.?Seen many YouTube Video's the?BHI DSP Speaker and heard the files on theirWebsite, Seems the BHI DSP Noise Reductiondoes not have a lot of the hollow sounding?digital artifacts, especially for SSB.? The K3 DSP Noise Reduction is ok, but I sayit not the greatest, but I will say the Noise Blankeris super on the K3 ! 73 Mike From kq8m at kq8m.com Sat Oct 10 16:32:10 2015 From: kq8m at kq8m.com (KQ8M) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:32:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air In-Reply-To: <036101d10396$ef7190b0$ce54b210$@carolinaheli.com> References: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> <56140E17.1080403@triconet.org> <83C98556-7E2D-437A-8099-30A6E82E2CF4@elecraft.com> <56195c52.0af7440a.328d1.5815@mx.google.com> <035f01d10390$3bcfe7b0$b36fb710$@carolinaheli.com> <65FCA283-1B37-4EEB-84F7-C57AE37EEB29@me.com> <036101d10396$ef7190b0$ce54b210$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: Well, unfortunately here in the east, the solar flares have really made it difficult to hear them. I do not believe it is operator fault. Just unlucky that the sun decide to burp at the beginning and keep the A and K indexes up high. Now this may be a problem. I worked them on 12 CW and the QSO never showed. I did not work them on 10 SSB yet it shows a QSO there. So I have worked them finally both bands and now 12 CW shows but not 10 CW although they were worked 40 minutes apart. Oh well, maybe next time. 73, Tim Herrick, KQ8M kq8m at kq8m.com AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.homedns.org User Ports: 23, 7373 with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 4:05 PM To: 'Jack Brindle'; ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air The issue is likely because my dipole is oriented towards EU.. I need to lookup the bearing from SC and probably move the ends of my dipole (not easily done). Jer -----Original Message----- From: Jack Brindle [mailto:jackbrindle at me.com] Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 3:51 PM To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air They are on. The Elecraft rigs sound great (of course, I?m a bit biased)? I worked them on 21285 SSB a short time ago. They are presently very readable here in Northern California. Propagation conditions are much better today than yesterday with much lower QRN caused by solar conditions (geomagnetic storming). Keep trying. They are weak but workable. The K6TU propagation charts accessible from the TX3X web site are definitely a help. Stu has done a great job with his propagation site, worth checking out. 73! Jack, W6FB > On Oct 10, 2015, at 12:16 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > > Not hearing them at all > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Gary > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:43 PM > To: Wayne Burdick; Wes (N7WS) > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield > Islands onthe air > > My kinda lifestyle:-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Wayne Burdick" > Sent: ?7/?10/?2015 4:16 AM > To: "Wes (N7WS)" > Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield > Islands onthe air > > Maybe the TX3X team actually has a life? (Snorkeling, beer, group > sing-a-longs, sleeping, leisurely brunch, more beer....) > > Wayne > > > On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:08 AM, "Wes (N7WS)" wrote: > >> Rolling along? Twelve ops, seven complete 500W stations and ton of antennas and 21K Q's in 6 days. >> >> E6GG with seven ops and four radios made ~ 49k Q's in 12 days. >> >> Just sayin' >> >> >> >> On 10/6/2015 10:22 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: >>> TX3X on the the Chesterfield Islands is rolling along with their K3s and KPA500s. >>> >>> See: www.tx3x.com >>> and >>> http://www.dxsummit.fi/#/?dx_calls=TX3X >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Eric >>> /elecraft.com/ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > vk1zzgary at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jermo at carolinaheli.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jackbrindle at me.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kq8m at kq8m.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sat Oct 10 16:33:40 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:33:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3 Cheap Message-ID: <201510102033.t9AKXeJ2018949@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> I chose to upgrade my K3/10 SN4043. That involves buying two KSYN3A (I have the subRx) and also got one KBPF3MDKT upgrade kit for my main Rx. Cost with shipping was $468.95. I suppose I could remove all the options I have installed and try selling my plain K3/10 and purchasing a new K3s/10. I figured that resale value would be less than the upgrade cost. I paid $2,862.57 plus $287.40 for two KFL3B-FM filters. Realizing I only needed one filter and sold the extra. So one FM filter would cost about $150. Total cost for radio = $3,011.57. New K3s/10-K base cost = $2,099.95 (2.8 KHz FL = $129.90 (-$10 credit for 2.7 KHz FL) 13-KHz FL = $139.95 400-Hz FL = $139.95 KRX3A-K = $599.95 2.8 KHz FL = $139.95 KTCXO3-1 = $119.95 K3EXREF = $99.95 KBPF3A = $179.95 ---------------------------- Total = 3,649.95 ship = $77.02 $3,726.97 Difference = 3,726.97 - $3,011.57 = $715.40 OK say I removed all options and installed them in new K3s: and say I sold the K3/10 for full new price when I bought it. 2,099.95 + $50 (est) = $2,149.95 1,449.95 (2010 price of K3/10) ---------------- $700.00 I spent $468.95 upgrading my K3/10 and saved $231.05 to $246.46 over buying a new K3s/10 equipped the same as I currently have. This assuming I can get full value for my K3/10 - maybe. Can I get $231 more than I originally paid? -doubtful. Upgrading is definitely cost effective for me - plus I do not have to re-program everything, assemble everything, and add IF output mod to KRX3A which I did for my KRX3. I will give you that the options mix might produce a different outcome on resale of your K3. PS: No charge for the 45-min I spent running this calculation. 73, Ed - KL7uW From: "Charlie T, K3ICH" To: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3 Cheap Message-ID: <009101d102de$c2f0c7d0$48d25770$@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This strictly my personal opinion, but I did not even consider "up-grading" my K3 by purchasing the newer boards. Mainly for this very reason. What ru gonna do with the old boards? They have practically ZERO value. BUT, a good working K3, even if it doesn't have the super synth board etc., still has significant value. Maybe not quite as much as it did B4 the K3S came out, but I figured I could sell my 23XX S/N K3, buy a new K3S and come out ahead of upgrading with a couple new boards and throwing the old ones in the dumpster. This way, the "old" boards have not been converted to junk and a good K3 is still on the air. Also, I don't have to worry if some little known production upgrade slipped by me since my brandie new K3S has 'em all. Stated in different terms, I bought a K3S and sold my K3 for less of a $$ difference than if I had purchased the new version boards for my older K3. Not trying to start a fight, it's just my opinion. 73, Charlie k3ICH 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From ava622 at verizon.net Sat Oct 10 16:36:40 2015 From: ava622 at verizon.net (Michael Aust) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 20:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone try the BHI DSP Speaker on the K3 In-Reply-To: <137781377.1806700.1444507576439.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <137781377.1806700.1444507576439.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <137781377.1806700.1444507576439.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1456254936.1953924.1444509400311.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Maybe Elecraft could offer the BHI DSP inside the New K3 Speaker as an option ! 73 Mike On Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:06 PM, Michael Aust wrote: Wondering if anyone has tried the?BHI DSP Speaker on the K3.?Seen many YouTube Video's the?BHI DSP Speaker and heard the files on theirWebsite, Seems the BHI DSP Noise Reductiondoes not have a lot of the hollow sounding?digital artifacts, especially for SSB.? The K3 DSP Noise Reduction is ok, but I sayit not the greatest, but I will say the Noise Blankeris super on the K3 ! 73 Mike From NZ3O at arrl.net Sat Oct 10 16:43:08 2015 From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:43:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone try the BHI DSP Speaker on the K3 In-Reply-To: <1456254936.1953924.1444509400311.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <137781377.1806700.1444507576439.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <137781377.1806700.1444507576439.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1456254936.1953924.1444509400311.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5619785C.9090907@arrl.net> Somehow, DSP and speaker sound odd together. DSP and headset, on the other hand, sounds delicious. On 10/10/2015 04:36 PM, Michael Aust wrote: > Maybe Elecraft could offer the BHI DSP inside the New K3 Speaker as an option ! > > 73 Mike > > > On Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:06 PM, Michael Aust wrote: > > > Wondering if anyone has tried the? BHI DSP Speaker on the K3.? Seen many YouTube Video's the? BHI DSP Speaker and heard the files on theirWebsite, Seems the BHI DSP Noise Reductiondoes not have a lot of the hollow sounding? digital artifacts, especially for SSB.? > The K3 DSP Noise Reduction is ok, but I sayit not the greatest, but I will say the Noise Blankeris super on the K3 ! > 73 Mike > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nz3o at arrl.net From n5ia at zia-connection.com Sat Oct 10 17:00:35 2015 From: n5ia at zia-connection.com (Milt -- N5IA) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:00:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air In-Reply-To: <036101d10396$ef7190b0$ce54b210$@carolinaheli.com> References: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> <56140E17.1080403@triconet.org> <83C98556-7E2D-437A-8099-30A6E82E2CF4@elecraft.com> <56195c52.0af7440a.328d1.5815@mx.google.com> <035f01d10390$3bcfe7b0$b36fb710$@carolinaheli.com> <65FCA283-1B37-4EEB-84F7-C57AE37EEB29@me.com> <036101d10396$ef7190b0$ce54b210$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: Has anyone received information re when they will be able to get a 160M TX antenna going? Tnx for any info. Milt, N5IA =============================================== -----Original Message----- From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:04 PM To: 'Jack Brindle' ; ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air The issue is likely because my dipole is oriented towards EU.. I need to lookup the bearing from SC and probably move the ends of my dipole (not easily done). Jer -----Original Message----- From: Jack Brindle [mailto:jackbrindle at me.com] Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 3:51 PM To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air They are on. The Elecraft rigs sound great (of course, I?m a bit biased)? I worked them on 21285 SSB a short time ago. They are presently very readable here in Northern California. Propagation conditions are much better today than yesterday with much lower QRN caused by solar conditions (geomagnetic storming). Keep trying. They are weak but workable. The K6TU propagation charts accessible from the TX3X web site are definitely a help. Stu has done a great job with his propagation site, worth checking out. 73! Jack, W6FB From ae5x at juno.com Sat Oct 10 17:07:23 2015 From: ae5x at juno.com (ae5x at juno.com) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 21:07:23 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air Message-ID: <20151010.160723.26238.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> They won't due to wx. John AE5X https://tatqrp.wordpress.com _______________________ Has anyone received information re when they will be able to get a 160M TX antenna going? Tnx for any info. Milt, N5IA ____________________________________________________________ Meet the Graviteers: Sylvana Yelda Hi, I'm Sylvana and I love making guacamole! Read more ??? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/56197e541809e7e532185st02vuc From htodd at twofifty.com Sat Oct 10 18:02:38 2015 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3 Cheap In-Reply-To: <201510102033.t9AKXeJ2018949@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201510102033.t9AKXeJ2018949@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: For me the question wasn't about resale value, it was about whether it was easier to listen to the radio with the new KSYN3A. I think it is, though I've never done side-by-side comparisons (others have). I'm not planning on reselling mine, at least not soon, and my fun with the radio is getting on the air once in a while. I know for others it's about designing antennas, or calculating net worth of the equipment. Who am I to say that's the wrong way to participate in the hobby? I hardly ever turn the radio on and it's sitting right next to me right now. It's just nice to have what I think is the best receiver when I do turn it on. On Sat, 10 Oct 2015, Edward R Cole wrote: > I chose to upgrade my K3/10 SN4043. > > That involves buying two KSYN3A (I have the subRx) and also got one KBPF3MDKT > upgrade kit for my main Rx. Cost with shipping was $468.95. > > I suppose I could remove all the options I have installed and try selling my > plain K3/10 and purchasing a new K3s/10. I figured that resale value would > be less than the upgrade cost. > > I paid $2,862.57 plus $287.40 for two KFL3B-FM filters. Realizing I only > needed one filter and sold the extra. So one FM filter would cost about > $150. Total cost for radio = $3,011.57. > > New K3s/10-K base cost = $2,099.95 > (2.8 KHz FL = $129.90 (-$10 credit for 2.7 KHz FL) > 13-KHz FL = $139.95 > 400-Hz FL = $139.95 > KRX3A-K = $599.95 > 2.8 KHz FL = $139.95 > KTCXO3-1 = $119.95 > K3EXREF = $99.95 > KBPF3A = $179.95 > ---------------------------- > Total = 3,649.95 > ship = $77.02 > $3,726.97 > > Difference = 3,726.97 - $3,011.57 = $715.40 > > OK say I removed all options and installed them in new K3s: > and say I sold the K3/10 for full new price when I bought it. > > 2,099.95 + $50 (est) = $2,149.95 > 1,449.95 (2010 price of K3/10) > ---------------- > $700.00 > > I spent $468.95 upgrading my K3/10 and saved $231.05 to $246.46 over buying a > new K3s/10 equipped the same as I currently have. This assuming I can get > full value for my K3/10 - maybe. Can I get $231 more than I originally paid? > -doubtful. > > Upgrading is definitely cost effective for me - plus I do not have to > re-program everything, assemble everything, and add IF output mod to KRX3A > which I did for my KRX3. > > I will give you that the options mix might produce a different outcome on > resale of your K3. > PS: No charge for the 45-min I spent running this calculation. > > 73, Ed - KL7uW > > > From: "Charlie T, K3ICH" > To: > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3 Cheap > Message-ID: <009101d102de$c2f0c7d0$48d25770$@erols.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > This strictly my personal opinion, but I did not > even consider "up-grading" my K3 by purchasing the > newer boards. Mainly for this very reason. What > ru gonna do with the old boards? They have > practically ZERO value. > > BUT, a good working K3, even if it doesn't have > the super synth board etc., still has significant > value. Maybe not quite as much as it did B4 the > K3S came out, but I figured I could sell my 23XX > S/N K3, buy a new K3S and come out ahead of > upgrading with a couple new boards and throwing > the old ones in the dumpster. This way, the "old" > boards have not been converted to junk and a good > K3 is still on the air. Also, I don't have to > worry if some little known production upgrade > slipped by me since my brandie new K3S has 'em > all. Stated in different terms, I bought a K3S > and sold my K3 for less of a $$ difference than if > I had purchased the new version boards for my > older K3. > > Not trying to start a fight, it's just my opinion. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to htodd at twofifty.com > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From cf at cfcorp.com Sat Oct 10 18:03:12 2015 From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:03:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? References: <00de01d10247$f30dda80$d9298f80$@com> <609B4564-D985-4F5B-A1D8-07E95AC59472@elecraft.com> <011501d102c3$e647d2c0$b2d77840$@com> <86DEB1B3-0A27-4291-BBEF-2504FE229345@me.com> Message-ID: <013d01d103a7$74cd5310$5e67f930$@com> Update: Bottom line is that the sniffer approach works. Details: 1. Ideally, the sniffer should *not* be attached to the radio (Kenwood) RS-232 line, but to the secondary RS-232 line (Configured by DXLabs software). It appears that KPA500 only responds to commands from DXLabs and not the radio (I suspect this is because polling is being used by DXLabs and not the Kenwood Auto Info command) - yes, I did try a pin 2/3 swap on the sniffer tap point. This also has implications when the KPA500 is turned on after frequency changes because it will know the current frequency (not fatal since it can RF Sense switch anyway). 2. The KPA500 seems to "look for" radio RS-232 data about every 5 seconds because that is the lag from the Kenwood changing frequency to the KPA changing bands. A bit too long for me but tolerable. Next Steps: 1. Move the sniffer to the KAT500 RS-232 line where DXLabs will send data via the Secondary COM Port (K3 native format) to the KAT500 when clicking on a spot or moving the Kenwood VFO. Alas, I have the USB cable for the KAT500, so I need to get the RS-232 cable. 73, Cliff K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Cliff Frescura [mailto:cf at cfcorp.com] Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 2:10 PM To: 'Jack Brindle' Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? Thanks Jack and others that replied off list. I'm going to go with the y cable sniffer approach. Since I don't use the amp all the time, I'd rather not have to power it up just so the KAT500 can receive commands from the Kenwood. 73, Cliff K3ll -----Original Message----- From: Jack Brindle [mailto:jackbrindle at me.com] Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 12:55 PM To: Cliff Frescura Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? Or connect the Kenwood?s serial port to the KPA500?s Radio port, then set the RADIO = SERIAL in the KPA. Follow the directions in the KPA manual. This is exactly what that serial port is designed to do. Make sure you use the RADIO port, not the PC port for this. If you connect the serial port from the TS-940 to a computer, just make a Y cable to allow the KPA to see the data going from the Radio to the computer. And make sure the TX line is not connected to the KPA. Also note that the KPA will not interpret the data destined for the KAT500. It is specifically look for transceiver data on the Radio port, or KPA-specific commands on the PC port. - Jack, W6FB > On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Cliff Frescura wrote: > > Thanks Dick, > > Looks like I could either have the KPA500 sniff the RS-232 line into > the > KAT500 (use RXD pin only at the KPA500), or implement BAND0-3 and make > it minimally emulate a K3S into the KPA500. > > 73, > > Cliff K3LL > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dick Dievendorff [mailto:dick at elecraft.com] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 10:55 AM > To: Cliff Frescura > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? > > The KAT500 can read, but not pull down the 4 band change lines. > > Dick, K6KR > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 8, 2015, at 21:07, Cliff Frescura wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> If I change bands on the KAT500 via the PC Data port, it appears that >> the new band data is not sent to the Amp Control connector. Is this >> expected behavior? (hoping no). >> >> >> >> For reference, my setup is: >> >> >> >> Kenwood TS-940 >> >> DXLabs Logging program >> >> KAT500 >> >> KPA500 >> >> >> >> The 940 is connected to the computer and controlled by DXLabs. >> DXLabs is configured to send commands to the KAT500 (follow the 940). >> This all works fine. I'm now trying to have the KPA500 follow the >> KAT500 via the Amp Control connector on the KAT500 (with E850463 cable). >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> >> >> Cliff K3LL >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> dick at elecraft.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jackbrindle at me.com From ava622 at verizon.net Sat Oct 10 18:05:18 2015 From: ava622 at verizon.net (Michael Aust) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 22:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone try the BHI DSP Speaker on the K3 In-Reply-To: <1456254936.1953924.1444509400311.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <137781377.1806700.1444507576439.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <137781377.1806700.1444507576439.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1456254936.1953924.1444509400311.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <28519551.1879333.1444514718929.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Here a Demo Video with the BHI DSP Noise Reduction Unit on a Elecraft KX3 ! 73 Mike NES10 2 MK3 NOISE KILLER SPEAKER | ? | | ? | | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | | NES10 2 MK3 NOISE KILLER SPEAKER | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | ? | On Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:36 PM, Michael Aust wrote: Maybe Elecraft could offer the BHI DSP inside the New K3 Speaker as an option ! 73 Mike On Saturday, October 10, 2015 1:06 PM, Michael Aust wrote: Wondering if anyone has tried the?BHI DSP Speaker on the K3.?Seen many YouTube Video's the?BHI DSP Speaker and heard the files on theirWebsite, Seems the BHI DSP Noise Reductiondoes not have a lot of the hollow sounding?digital artifacts, especially for SSB.? The K3 DSP Noise Reduction is ok, but I sayit not the greatest, but I will say the Noise Blankeris super on the K3 ! 73 Mike From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Oct 10 18:32:27 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:32:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? In-Reply-To: <013d01d103a7$74cd5310$5e67f930$@com> References: <00de01d10247$f30dda80$d9298f80$@com> <609B4564-D985-4F5B-A1D8-07E95AC59472@elecraft.com> <011501d102c3$e647d2c0$b2d77840$@com> <86DEB1B3-0A27-4291-BBEF-2504FE229345@me.com> <013d01d103a7$74cd5310$5e67f930$@com> Message-ID: <77EAB7CC-923B-476D-8C42-C4782200F0AF@me.com> See below for a better understanding of how the KPA500 works when set for RADIO = SERIAL mode. > On Oct 10, 2015, at 3:03 PM, Cliff Frescura wrote: > > Update: > > Bottom line is that the sniffer approach works. > > Details: > 1. Ideally, the sniffer should *not* be attached to the radio (Kenwood) RS-232 line, but to the secondary RS-232 line (Configured by DXLabs software). It appears that KPA500 only responds to commands from DXLabs and not the radio (I suspect this is because polling is being used by DXLabs and not the Kenwood Auto Info command) - yes, I did try a pin 2/3 swap on the sniffer tap point. This also has implications when the KPA500 is turned on after frequency changes because it will know the current frequency (not fatal since it can RF Sense switch anyway). The KPA is designed to either connect directly to the Kenwood radio or with a ?Y? adapter it can eavesdrop on the computer-radio conversation. When eavesdropping, it is the computer (or other controlling device) that determines the polling rate. When that devices issues a frequency request the radio responds and the KPA500 will receive the data and respond accordingly. When the KPA is set for RADIO=SERIAL, the SER POLL setting becomes important. When OFF, the KPA does exactly as described above - it only listens for data from the radio. If you directly connect the KPA to the radio (no Y cable into the KPA), then set the SER POLL item to ON. This will cause the KPA to periodically poll the radio for frequency. The poll rate is once per second, and the KPA issues the following commands for each poll: ?FA;FB;FT;?. Again, note that this _only_ works when the KPA is allowed to talk to the radio directly. > 2. The KPA500 seems to "look for" radio RS-232 data about every 5 seconds because that is the lag from the Kenwood changing frequency to the KPA changing bands. A bit too long for me but tolerable. The KPA500 is constantly available for data coming into its serial ports, and reacts to that data within 1 millisecond of the receipt of the terminating semicolon. If you are seeing it react every five seconds, that means the radio is only sending the information every 5 seconds. You should determine why that is happening, most likely because the commanding device is only polling with that period. > Next Steps: > 1. Move the sniffer to the KAT500 RS-232 line where DXLabs will send data via the Secondary COM Port (K3 native format) to the KAT500 when clicking on a spot or moving the Kenwood VFO. Alas, I have the USB cable for the KAT500, so I need to get the RS-232 cable. If the DXLabs can send the proper format for the KAT500, then this might work. There are very few devices that do send native KAT500 or KPA500 commands, so you might want to look at another method unless that device happens to be on the short list. I have no info about the DXLabs device, but tend to doubt it handles the format. Also realize that the KPA500 will change bands immediately on detecting transmitted RF at its input on a band other than the one it last used, so this should not be as critical as you might think. The KAT500 does not listen to the K3?s serial port for its frequency information, but rather to the K3?s Auxbus channel. It also does not understand the K3 responses, so piping K3 - formatted serial data into the KAT500 (or the KPA500 for that matter) will pretty much do nothing. If no computer is involved in the station setup, it is quite possible that the you may want to have the DXLabs device eavesdrop on the KPA-computer communications. In either case, also realize that nothing is actually sending the BCD data for the KAT500 or KPA500 to respond to. Neither of these devices will drive the BCD signals, they only listen to them. That means that both must respond to RF data to determine band changes, unless you find some way to tell both (independently) the new band. Perhaps the DXLabs box can perform that function. It is possible for a KRC-2 to do this function, although I have never tried it. Good luck and 73! Jack Brindle, W6FB Elecraft Engineering > > 73, > > Cliff K3LL/6 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cliff Frescura [mailto:cf at cfcorp.com] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 2:10 PM > To: 'Jack Brindle' > Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? > > Thanks Jack and others that replied off list. > > I'm going to go with the y cable sniffer approach. Since I don't use the amp all the time, I'd rather not have to power it up just so the KAT500 can receive commands from the Kenwood. > > 73, > > Cliff K3ll > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Brindle [mailto:jackbrindle at me.com] > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 12:55 PM > To: Cliff Frescura > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? > > Or connect the Kenwood?s serial port to the KPA500?s Radio port, then set the RADIO = SERIAL in the KPA. > Follow the directions in the KPA manual. This is exactly what that serial port is designed to do. Make sure you use the RADIO port, not the PC port for this. > > If you connect the serial port from the TS-940 to a computer, just make a Y cable to allow the KPA to see the data going from the Radio to the computer. And make sure the TX line is not connected to the KPA. > > Also note that the KPA will not interpret the data destined for the KAT500. It is specifically look for transceiver data on the Radio port, or KPA-specific commands on the PC port. > > - Jack, W6FB > > >> On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Cliff Frescura wrote: >> >> Thanks Dick, >> >> Looks like I could either have the KPA500 sniff the RS-232 line into >> the >> KAT500 (use RXD pin only at the KPA500), or implement BAND0-3 and make >> it minimally emulate a K3S into the KPA500. >> >> 73, >> >> Cliff K3LL >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dick Dievendorff [mailto:dick at elecraft.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 10:55 AM >> To: Cliff Frescura >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KAT500] PC Data to Amp Control? >> >> The KAT500 can read, but not pull down the 4 band change lines. >> >> Dick, K6KR >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 8, 2015, at 21:07, Cliff Frescura wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> If I change bands on the KAT500 via the PC Data port, it appears that >>> the new band data is not sent to the Amp Control connector. Is this >>> expected behavior? (hoping no). >>> >>> >>> >>> For reference, my setup is: >>> >>> >>> >>> Kenwood TS-940 >>> >>> DXLabs Logging program >>> >>> KAT500 >>> >>> KPA500 >>> >>> >>> >>> The 940 is connected to the computer and controlled by DXLabs. >>> DXLabs is configured to send commands to the KAT500 (follow the 940). >>> This all works fine. I'm now trying to have the KPA500 follow the >>> KAT500 via the Amp Control connector on the KAT500 (with E850463 cable). >>> >>> >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> >>> >>> Cliff K3LL >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> dick at elecraft.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> jackbrindle at me.com > > > > > From jmaass at k8nd.com Sat Oct 10 19:19:32 2015 From: jmaass at k8nd.com (Jeff Maass K8ND) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:19:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Guidance Please: XG3 Signal Source Sending CW String Message-ID: <001101d103b2$204b68d0$60e23a70$@k8nd.com> I have been unsuccessful in convincing my XG3 to send CW strings. The basic signal generator functions of the XG3 are working, both with and without the XG3 utility connected. It generates signal carrier at all requested frequencies at all available power levels. This XG3 has firmware revision 1.16 installed. I am running it with the XG3 Utility Revision 1.13.6.6, and the utility and the XG3 are communicating. The manual I have is Revision D1 (Feb 20,2013). I want to use it with my SDRs and CW Skimmer to test the receivers and splitters, so I'd like to have it send something like "TEST TEST TEST K8ND K8ND K8ND TEST" on demand on a selected band/frequency. For test, I had selected 10.120 as my test frequency, and connected the output of the XG3 to my K3 antenna jack. I set the K3 to 10.120 MHz. Page 13 of the D1 and D2 manuals provides examples of programming the XG3 with the PC utility. For test, I tried to set up the sample beacon that is the first example, as shown below: Use the XG3 Utility's Command Tester (far right tab) to enter these commands: WM,^0de_w1aw:10^1:10^2:10*$60#; Changes the level to 0 dBm, then sends 'de w1aw', sends carrier at 0 dBm for 10 seconds, then changes the level to -33 dBm, sends carrier for 10 seconds, changes level to -73 dBm, sends carrier for 10 seconds, sends SK, pauses silent for 60 seconds and repeats indefinitely. As described above, I typed the string ("WM,^de...) into the XG3 command box on the 'Command Tester' tab. I then entered the string to enable the use of the PF1 button to initiate the message function, as shown below: Set up the PF1 key for Morse memory sending: PF,01,01; configure PF1 to send Morse memory. To play the memory, either hold down the Band+/PF1 key or send S,01; over the serial port. When I pressed and held the PF1 key, 1) the '30' LED began to blink; 2) the level changed on the XG3 from one to another to another as described in the command documentation above, and 3) continues forever. HOWEVER, there is no output of CW or carrier to the radio. I watched the P3 display carefully for any sign of the output keying, but No Joy anywhere near 10.120 MHz. The LEDs on the XG3 show that the programmed string is at least running, changing the output levels periodically. I've tried it with the other example strings, but still No Joy. I am clearly doing something wrong. Can someone put me on the correct path? 73, Jeff K8ND From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Oct 10 19:30:19 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:30:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Guidance Please: XG3 Signal Source Sending CW String In-Reply-To: <001101d103b2$204b68d0$60e23a70$@k8nd.com> References: <001101d103b2$204b68d0$60e23a70$@k8nd.com> Message-ID: <56199F8B.5050303@embarqmail.com> Jeff, What band LED is illuminated on the XG3? That message sequence you specified does not set the band, so you will have to set the XG3 output manually to whichever band/frequency the XG3 is set for. It works, I have used similar sequences to send CW to a K3 for hamfest demos. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/10/2015 7:19 PM, Jeff Maass K8ND wrote: > I have been unsuccessful in convincing my XG3 to send CW strings. > > The basic signal generator functions of the XG3 are working, both with and > without the XG3 utility connected. It generates signal carrier at all > requested frequencies at all available power levels. This XG3 has firmware > revision 1.16 installed. I am running it with the XG3 Utility Revision > 1.13.6.6, and the utility and the XG3 are communicating. The manual I have > is Revision D1 (Feb 20,2013). > > I want to use it with my SDRs and CW Skimmer to test the receivers and > splitters, so I'd like to have it send something like "TEST TEST TEST K8ND > K8ND K8ND TEST" on demand on a selected band/frequency. For test, I had > selected 10.120 as my test frequency, and connected the output of the XG3 to > my K3 antenna jack. I set the K3 to 10.120 MHz. > > Page 13 of the D1 and D2 manuals provides examples of programming the XG3 > with the PC utility. For test, I tried to set up the sample beacon that is > the first example, as shown below: > > Use the XG3 Utility's Command Tester (far right tab) to enter these > commands: > > WM,^0de_w1aw:10^1:10^2:10*$60#; > > Changes the level to 0 dBm, then sends 'de w1aw', sends carrier at 0 > dBm for 10 seconds, then > > changes the level to -33 dBm, sends carrier for 10 seconds, changes > level to -73 dBm, sends carrier for 10 > > seconds, sends SK, pauses silent for 60 seconds and repeats > indefinitely. > > > > As described above, I typed the string ("WM,^de...) into the XG3 command box > on the 'Command Tester' tab. > > > I then entered the string to enable the use of the PF1 button to initiate > the message function, as shown below: > > Set up the PF1 key for Morse memory sending: > > PF,01,01; configure PF1 to send Morse memory. > > To play the memory, either hold down the Band+/PF1 key or send S,01; > over the serial port. > > > > When I pressed and held the PF1 key, 1) the '30' LED began to blink; 2) the > level changed on the XG3 from one to another to another as described in the > command documentation above, and 3) continues forever. HOWEVER, there is no > output of CW or carrier to the radio. I watched the P3 display carefully for > any sign of the output keying, but No Joy anywhere near 10.120 MHz. The LEDs > on the XG3 show that the programmed string is at least running, changing the > output levels periodically. > > From jmaass at k8nd.com Sat Oct 10 19:46:48 2015 From: jmaass at k8nd.com (Jeff Maass K8ND) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:46:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Guidance Please: XG3 Signal Source Sending CW String Message-ID: <001601d103b5$ef14b290$cd3e17b0$@k8nd.com> G'day Don: The XG3 was on '30' to stat, with the LED on solid. When I pushed/held the 'PF1' button to start the sequence, the '30' LED began to blink and continued blinking while the sequence ran. Is there more? 73, Jeff K8ND ______________________________________ Jeff, What band LED is illuminated on the XG3? That message sequence you specified does not set the band, so you will have to set the XG3 output manually to whichever band/frequency the XG3 is set for. It works, I have used similar sequences to send CW to a K3 for hamfest demos. 73, Don W3FPR From: Jeff Maass K8ND [mailto:jmaass at k8nd.com] Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 7:20 PM To: Elecraft Mailing List (elecraft at mailman.qth.net) Subject: Guidance Please: XG3 Signal Source Sending CW String I have been unsuccessful in convincing my XG3 to send CW strings. The basic signal generator functions of the XG3 are working, both with and without the XG3 utility connected. It generates signal carrier at all requested frequencies at all available power levels. This XG3 has firmware revision 1.16 installed. I am running it with the XG3 Utility Revision 1.13.6.6, and the utility and the XG3 are communicating. The manual I have is Revision D1 (Feb 20,2013). I want to use it with my SDRs and CW Skimmer to test the receivers and splitters, so I'd like to have it send something like "TEST TEST TEST K8ND K8ND K8ND TEST" on demand on a selected band/frequency. For test, I had selected 10.120 as my test frequency, and connected the output of the XG3 to my K3 antenna jack. I set the K3 to 10.120 MHz. Page 13 of the D1 and D2 manuals provides examples of programming the XG3 with the PC utility. For test, I tried to set up the sample beacon that is the first example, as shown below: Use the XG3 Utility's Command Tester (far right tab) to enter these commands: WM,^0de_w1aw:10^1:10^2:10*$60#; Changes the level to 0 dBm, then sends 'de w1aw', sends carrier at 0 dBm for 10 seconds, then changes the level to -33 dBm, sends carrier for 10 seconds, changes level to -73 dBm, sends carrier for 10 seconds, sends SK, pauses silent for 60 seconds and repeats indefinitely. As described above, I typed the string ("WM,^de...) into the XG3 command box on the 'Command Tester' tab. I then entered the string to enable the use of the PF1 button to initiate the message function, as shown below: Set up the PF1 key for Morse memory sending: PF,01,01; configure PF1 to send Morse memory. To play the memory, either hold down the Band+/PF1 key or send S,01; over the serial port. When I pressed and held the PF1 key, 1) the '30' LED began to blink; 2) the level changed on the XG3 from one to another to another as described in the command documentation above, and 3) continues forever. HOWEVER, there is no output of CW or carrier to the radio. I watched the P3 display carefully for any sign of the output keying, but No Joy anywhere near 10.120 MHz. The LEDs on the XG3 show that the programmed string is at least running, changing the output levels periodically. I've tried it with the other example strings, but still No Joy. I am clearly doing something wrong. Can someone put me on the correct path? 73, Jeff K8ND From g1mhu at hotmail.com Sat Oct 10 20:05:06 2015 From: g1mhu at hotmail.com (Robin Moseley) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 01:05:06 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone try the BHI DSP Speaker on the K3 In-Reply-To: <1456254936.1953924.1444509400311.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <137781377.1806700.1444507576439.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com><137781377.1806700.1444507576439.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1456254936.1953924.1444509400311.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Or we could get it added to the Phonema speaker. - I have just received one of their speakers, sounds great! Robin G1MHU From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Oct 10 20:25:04 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 20:25:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Guidance Please: XG3 Signal Source Sending CW String In-Reply-To: <001601d103b5$ef14b290$cd3e17b0$@k8nd.com> References: <001601d103b5$ef14b290$cd3e17b0$@k8nd.com> Message-ID: <5619AC60.2060300@embarqmail.com> Jeff, Go back to something more simplistic - just set the XG3 for normal signal generator operation. Do you hear the signal? If not, check with XG3 Utility to see what frequency the XG3 is set to produce. Once that has been verified, try the message - you should hear it at that same frequency unless you have something in you coding that is changing the frequency. There is no more, but try with a more simplistic sequence - just the text (no power level changes, etc.) and see if that works for you. Once you have that working, try adding other things one at a time until you have what you want. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/10/2015 7:46 PM, Jeff Maass K8ND wrote: > G'day Don: > > The XG3 was on '30' to stat, with the LED on solid. > > When I pushed/held the 'PF1' button to start the sequence, the '30' LED > began to blink and continued blinking while the sequence ran. > > Is there more? > From ars-ky7m at cox.net Sat Oct 10 20:29:50 2015 From: ars-ky7m at cox.net (KY7M) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 17:29:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Frequency Not Synced for Diversity Receive Message-ID: <000f01d103bb$f1183c00$d348b400$@cox.net> I am setting up diversity receive using the AUX input for my receiving loop. After holding the SUB button to turn on DIVERSITY, the speaker output is obviously off between MAIN and SUB by a hundred Hz or more. I can hear the same signal on the other speaker most of the time, but the tone is quite different. I installed a pair of new synthesizer boards several months ago and all else seems to be working properly. Any suggestions? Lee, KY7M From dmb at lightstream.net Sat Oct 10 16:32:21 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Frequency Not Synced for Diversity Receive In-Reply-To: <000f01d103bb$f1183c00$d348b400$@cox.net> References: <000f01d103bb$f1183c00$d348b400$@cox.net> Message-ID: <49854.71.74.118.201.1444509141.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Hello Lee, Make sure that you have installed the latest production firmware (MCU 5.38) for your K3. There was an issue related to using dissimilar filters in the main and sub-receivers, which caused what you are experiencing. That has been fixed, first in beta firmware a while ago, and now in the production firmware. 73, Dale, WA8SRA > I am setting up diversity receive using the AUX input for my receiving > loop. > After holding the SUB button to turn on DIVERSITY, the speaker output is > obviously off between MAIN and SUB by a hundred Hz or more. I can hear > the > same signal on the other speaker most of the time, but the tone is quite > different. I installed a pair of new synthesizer boards several months > ago > and all else seems to be working properly. Any suggestions? > > > > Lee, KY7M From dmb at lightstream.net Sat Oct 10 16:43:04 2015 From: dmb at lightstream.net (dmb at lightstream.net) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Frequency Not Synced for Diversity Receive In-Reply-To: <000f01d103bb$f1183c00$d348b400$@cox.net> References: <000f01d103bb$f1183c00$d348b400$@cox.net> Message-ID: <49919.71.74.118.201.1444509784.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Lee, A correction to my previous response: The fix for diversity w mismatched main/sub rx filters was actually implemented in MCU 5.33 firmware back on 8-3-2015. Of course it's also in the latest 5.38 firmware as well. 73, Dale, WA8SRA > I am setting up diversity receive using the AUX input for my receiving > loop. > After holding the SUB button to turn on DIVERSITY, the speaker output is > obviously off between MAIN and SUB by a hundred Hz or more. I can hear > the > same signal on the other speaker most of the time, but the tone is quite > different. I installed a pair of new synthesizer boards several months > ago > and all else seems to be working properly. Any suggestions? > > > > Lee, KY7M From greenacres113 at charter.net Sat Oct 10 21:57:49 2015 From: greenacres113 at charter.net (greenacres113 at charter.net) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 20:57:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Chesterfield update Message-ID: Last online log showed 46K QSOs. Not too much beachcomer time I guess. The last 3 mornings during NA sunrise TX3X on 80 & 40m wrking NA. Lots of guys in my part of the world { NW TN -W KY] put them in the log. GL you guys that need it. K9IL From kl7gg at gci.net Sat Oct 10 22:05:40 2015 From: kl7gg at gci.net (kl7gg at gci.net) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:05:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: new message Message-ID: <00001f46fcb3$c453f4bb$9563f0a4$@gci.net> Hello! New message, please read kl7gg at gci.net From jmaass at k8nd.com Sat Oct 10 22:12:43 2015 From: jmaass at k8nd.com (Jeff Maass K8ND) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 22:12:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Guidance Please: XG3 Signal Source Sending CW String Message-ID: <002401d103ca$51c88d30$f559a790$@k8nd.com> Thanks Don! Got some variants that work in several of the macros, including: WM,^3[30TEST_TEST_TEST_K8ND_K8ND_K8ND_TEST$10#;PF,01,01; The underscore meta-character substitution required for space was a confuser, as was the initial condition when starting. 73, Jeff K8ND ________________________________ Jeff, Go back to something more simplistic - just set the XG3 for normal signal generator operation. Do you hear the signal? If not, check with XG3 Utility to see what frequency the XG3 is set to produce. Once that has been verified, try the message - you should hear it at that same frequency unless you have something in you coding that is changing the frequency. There is no more, but try with a more simplistic sequence - just the text (no power level changes, etc.) and see if that works for you. Once you have that working, try adding other things one at a time until you have what you want. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/10/2015 7:46 PM, Jeff Maass K8ND wrote: > G'day Don: > > The XG3 was on '30' to start, with the LED on solid. > > When I pushed/held the 'PF1' button to start the sequence, the '30' LED > began to blink and continued blinking while the sequence ran. > > Is there more? > From w4rks73 at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 22:20:02 2015 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 21:20:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: new message Message-ID: Highly inappropriate to stick such blatant advertising here. Jim - W4RKS From w7aqk at cox.net Sat Oct 10 22:25:08 2015 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:25:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air Message-ID: I just worked them on both 12 and 15 meters with the first call at just after 0200Z. They don't seem to be inundated right now. Signal was actually better on 12 meters, but pretty decent on both bands! I don't see them spotted on 17, 20, or higher right now. Dave W7AQK From jermo at carolinaheli.com Sat Oct 10 22:32:44 2015 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 22:32:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: new message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70FD6C54-A99A-481D-8409-F53FF02A0E5E@carolinaheli.com> Jim, why are you sending this to me and what are you talking about? I've not knowingly advertised anything. Jer On October 10, 2015 10:20:02 PM EDT, James Wilson wrote: >Highly inappropriate to stick such blatant advertising here. > >Jim - W4RKS >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat Oct 10 22:46:24 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 19:46:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: new message In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02FDA491-E72C-4C9D-B85E-5D2F74F00F37@wunderwood.org> I?m sure this operator?s e-mail account was hacked. I see e-mail like this from a hacked account every other day. It is not the poster?s fault. The hackers are very sophisticated. The e-mail has an intriguing subject and most of the body is a single mysterious URL. Delete the e-mail, feel sorry for the person who was hacked, and move on. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Oct 10, 2015, at 7:20 PM, James Wilson wrote: > > Highly inappropriate to stick such blatant advertising here. > > Jim - W4RKS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From jermo at carolinaheli.com Sat Oct 10 22:50:05 2015 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 22:50:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: new message In-Reply-To: <02FDA491-E72C-4C9D-B85E-5D2F74F00F37@wunderwood.org> References: <02FDA491-E72C-4C9D-B85E-5D2F74F00F37@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: Ah ok On October 10, 2015 10:46:24 PM EDT, Walter Underwood wrote: >I?m sure this operator?s e-mail account was hacked. I see e-mail like >this from a hacked account every other day. It is not the poster?s >fault. The hackers are very sophisticated. The e-mail has an intriguing >subject and most of the body is a single mysterious URL. > >Delete the e-mail, feel sorry for the person who was hacked, and move >on. > >wunder >K6WRU >CM87wj >http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Oct 10, 2015, at 7:20 PM, James Wilson wrote: >> >> Highly inappropriate to stick such blatant advertising here. >> >> Jim - W4RKS >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Oct 10 23:35:42 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 03:35:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air Message-ID: Very weak but workable much of the day Saturday in Colorado on 21,023 Khz, listening up about 1.3 Khz. Early in the day there was some really annoying intentional QRM. I came back at 2300 Z and got in after just a few minutes. Signals even better around 0200Z, surprisingly. The P3/ K3 gets the credit, as well as the ops on the DXpedition. Ted, KN1CBR > >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:16:55 -0400 >From: >To: "'Gary'" , "'Wayne Burdick'" > , "'Wes \(N7WS\)'" >Cc: >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield > Islands onthe air >Message-ID: <035f01d10390$3bcfe7b0$b36fb710$@carolinaheli.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >Not hearing them at all > From scameron39 at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 10:08:28 2015 From: scameron39 at gmail.com (Skip Cameron) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 09:08:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3+KPA500+Hex Beam Message-ID: Anyone with this combination please email me off list, to not clutter the list, to W5GAI at arrl.net. Would like to hear your experience with this combination without using a KAT500. Thanks, Skip W5GAI From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 10:27:40 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 10:27:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Announcement Message-ID: <001201d10430$fc379f20$f4a6dd60$@gmail.com> All, The Elecraft sideband net will meet today, October 11, at 1800 UTC, on 14.3035 +/-. I will be net control from my QTH in the northern Atlanta suburbs. Hopefully band conditions will play nicely for us today. See everyone there. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From efortner at ctc.net Sun Oct 11 10:45:30 2015 From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 10:45:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Frequency Not Synced for Diversity Receive In-Reply-To: <49919.71.74.118.201.1444509784.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> References: <000f01d103bb$f1183c00$d348b400$@cox.net> <49919.71.74.118.201.1444509784.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> Message-ID: <000901d10433$7a814370$6f83ca50$@net> Hi Lee, I finished putting my k3s together last week and with help from Howard at the Elecraft discovered most of my problems were coming from a bad tcxo. I also have the sub receiver and want to do diversity receive with A separate antenna. My sub receiver is working but I cannot receive any signals from the Aux ant bnc port. I do not have the antenna tuner option so have only the Ant 1 so239 and the bnc port with coax cable going to the rear of radio into the sub receiver. Maybe have something set wrong. Anyone else had this problem. Radio serial number 10326. 73, Earl, K4KAY -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of dmb at lightstream.net Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 4:43 PM To: KY7M Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Frequency Not Synced for Diversity Receive Lee, A correction to my previous response: The fix for diversity w mismatched main/sub rx filters was actually implemented in MCU 5.33 firmware back on 8-3-2015. Of course it's also in the latest 5.38 firmware as well. 73, Dale, WA8SRA > I am setting up diversity receive using the AUX input for my receiving > loop. > After holding the SUB button to turn on DIVERSITY, the speaker output > is obviously off between MAIN and SUB by a hundred Hz or more. I can > hear the same signal on the other speaker most of the time, but the > tone is quite different. I installed a pair of new synthesizer boards > several months ago and all else seems to be working properly. Any > suggestions? > > > > Lee, KY7M ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to efortner at ctc.net From k2mk at comcast.net Sun Oct 11 11:41:29 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:41:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Frequency Not Synced for Diversity Receive In-Reply-To: <000901d10433$7a814370$6f83ca50$@net> References: <000f01d103bb$f1183c00$d348b400$@cox.net> <49919.71.74.118.201.1444509784.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <000901d10433$7a814370$6f83ca50$@net> Message-ID: <1444578089772-7608924.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Earl, Be sure to set. CONFIG:KRX3.....ANT=BNC 73, Mike K2MK efortner wrote > Hi Lee, > > I finished putting my k3s together last week and with help from Howard at > the Elecraft discovered most of my problems were coming from a bad tcxo. I > also have the sub receiver and want to do diversity receive with > A separate antenna. My sub receiver is working but I cannot receive any > signals from the Aux ant bnc port. I do not have the antenna tuner option > so > have only the Ant 1 so239 and the bnc port with coax cable going to the > rear > of radio into the sub receiver. Maybe have something set wrong. Anyone > else > had this problem. Radio serial number 10326. > > 73, > Earl, K4KAY -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Frequency-Not-Synced-for-Diversity-Receive-tp7608910p7608924.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kevinr at coho.net Sun Oct 11 13:07:45 2015 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 10:07:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <561A9761.7040302@coho.net> Good Morning, Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From eric at elecraft.com Sun Oct 11 13:12:11 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 10:12:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Prolific driver windows 10 In-Reply-To: <56186D5E.4030701@mediacombb.net> References: <8D29DDFC37F20B4-E34-29CB25@webmail-vm017.sysops.aol.com> <8D2D1050909F299-444-E70CD@webmail-vd015.sysops.aol.com> <56186D5E.4030701@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: We converted from Prolific to FTDI chips on the KUSB many years ago. All current KUSBs (and KXUSBs) sold by us use the FTDI chip set. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Oct 9, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Kevin Stover wrote: > > Anything with an FTDI chip set. > >> On 10/9/2015 6:54 PM, Alfredo Velez WP3C wrote: >> Any other USB cable to RS-232 that Works with Windows 10? From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sun Oct 11 14:04:57 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 14:04:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S / P3 thoughts and notes. Message-ID: <003a01d1044f$57877e40$06967ac0$@carolinaheli.com> I don't have the P3 yet and really didn't understand what people were saying about how helps operations. Just to try and see if I really wanted it I purchased a $20 USB SDR and did the hardware mod for direct sampling. Using HDSDR with it allows me to have a poor version of the P3 (lots of noise/birds due to the poor shielding and design of the SDR). I have to say that I can now see the benefits of having a visual display of the bandpass. It's more like shooting fish in a barrel because you can see the signals and click on them to immediately tune. One note with the SDR method is I can often hear signals but not see them. I'm confident the P3 can probably see everything you can hear (someone else will have to comment). Anyway, my post is only to suggest that anyone who isn't sure on getting the P3 strongly consider it and/or play around with proof of concept type technologies to see if you like it. Based on my experiments I'm sold on the concept and now just need to save up the cash for the hardware. Antennas are next on my list so the P3 gets bumped down a bit for now. 73 .. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sun Oct 11 14:25:04 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 14:25:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Announcement In-Reply-To: <001201d10430$fc379f20$f4a6dd60$@gmail.com> References: <001201d10430$fc379f20$f4a6dd60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005301d10452$27d9f580$778de080$@carolinaheli.com> Trying to check in but only occasionally hear someone that sounds like net control but not hearing any invites to check in Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian - Ham Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 10:28 AM To: 'ELECRAFT' Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Announcement All, The Elecraft sideband net will meet today, October 11, at 1800 UTC, on 14.3035 +/-. I will be net control from my QTH in the northern Atlanta suburbs. Hopefully band conditions will play nicely for us today. See everyone there. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 14:31:17 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 14:31:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Results Message-ID: Well, once again band conditions were awful. Despite that, we had 19 check-ins. Here's the list: KM4IK Ian GA K3 281 WO1I Dick MA K3 911 K1NW Brian RI K3 4974 K5ZCJ Larry OK K3S 10032 N6JW John CA K3 936 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 W0CZ Ken ND K3S 10329 KF7JZH Ron ID KX3 2262 NT5Q Don TX K3 4179 KC8HXO Greg MI K3 270 WM5F Dwight ID KX3 8045 K6SAB Steve CA K3 7497 W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 KE7HGE ? WA KX3 4540 W7SNR Bob AZ K3 343 WB5JJA Ray OK K3 7877 W5HNS Henry TX KX3 1855 KF5YBE Lee TX K3 7771 N2LRB Jose NY KX3 7791 We'll see everyone again next week. Have a great week, all. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624 North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 From k.alexander at rogers.com Sun Oct 11 14:40:42 2015 From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 14:40:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - DATA A setup Message-ID: <561AAD2A.3020203@rogers.com> I'm trying to set up my new KX3 to run JT-65. I can't figure out how to switch the KX3's meter over to the CMP/ALC display to set my audio level. The manual is vague on this. It says the display switches to CMP/ALC when in voice modes. Not in DATA A, and I switched to SSB and not there either. It still displays SWR/RF in receive and transmit. All the manual says in the DATA A and AFSK A section is to adjust the mic gain for 4 to 5 bars of ALC indication. I can't until I can switch the meter display over. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Ken Alexander VE3HLS From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sun Oct 11 15:00:58 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:00:58 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - DATA A setup In-Reply-To: <561AAD2A.3020203@rogers.com> References: <561AAD2A.3020203@rogers.com> Message-ID: Ken, Here is a copy and paste from something I wrote about this previously: Found this... * CW-IN-SSB TRANSMIT ADDED: This feature allows you to send CW while in SSB mode, which can be useful when your SSB signal cannot be copied due to poor conditions. The other station will hear a tone at your CW pitch. To enable CW-in-SSB: Locate the CW WGHT menu entry, then tap ?1? (PRE) to alternate between ?SSW +CW? (enabled) and ?SSB ?CW? (disabled). The default is disabled. Important Notes: (1) CW-in-SSB does not yet apply in SPLIT mode. (2) When CW-in-SSB is enabled, tapping the KEYER/MIC knob toggles between keyer speed and mic gain rather than between the two transmit metering scales (CMP/ALC and SWR/RF). The CMP/ALC scale is still shown temporarily whenever CMP or mic gain are adjusted. So that is what was causing it. DATA mode allows you to toggle it to one or the other so when you go back to SSB. Useful to know. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 12 Feb 2015, at 20:13, David Anderson wrote: > > Correction I meant stuck displaying CMP ALC in the last sentence. > > 73 > > David Anderson GM4JJJ > >> On 12 Feb 2015, at 20:11, David Anderson wrote: >> >> We have noticed (others on the Yahoo KX3 group) that if you toggle to the CMP ALC meter display mode by tapping the Keyer/Mic knob WHILE IN DATA mode that when you return to SSB mode there is no way to toggle to SWR RF meter display. Tapping Keyer/Mic or CMP in SSB then makes no difference, you are stuck forever displaying SWR RF. >> >> I wasn't aware of this until today, but it did cause quite a bit of confusion. >> >> 73 >> >> David Anderson GM4JJJ 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 11 Oct 2015, at 19:40, Ken Alexander wrote: > > I'm trying to set up my new KX3 to run JT-65. I can't figure out how to switch the KX3's meter over to the CMP/ALC display to set my audio level. > > The manual is vague on this. It says the display switches to CMP/ALC when in voice modes. Not in DATA A, and I switched to SSB and not there either. It still displays SWR/RF in receive and transmit. All the manual says in the DATA A and AFSK A section is to adjust the mic gain for 4 to 5 bars of ALC indication. I can't until I can switch the meter display over. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Ken Alexander > VE3HLS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From wa8jxm at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 15:01:16 2015 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:01:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air In-Reply-To: References: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> <56140E17.1080403@triconet.org> <83C98556-7E2D-437A-8099-30A6E82E2CF4@elecraft.com> <56195c52.0af7440a.328d1.5815@mx.google.com> <035f01d10390$3bcfe7b0$b36fb710$@carolinaheli.com> <65FCA283-1B37-4EEB-84F7-C57AE37EEB29@me.com> <036101d10396$ef7190b0$ce54b210$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <561AB1FC.6050008@gmail.com> According to the spotting network, they were on 160 this morning (EDT). I think they may be their last day of operation? Ken WA8JXM On 10/10/15 5:00 PM, Milt -- N5IA wrote: > Has anyone received information re when they will be able to get a > 160M TX antenna going? > > Tnx for any info. From k.alexander at rogers.com Sun Oct 11 15:17:04 2015 From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:17:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - DATA A setup In-Reply-To: References: <561AAD2A.3020203@rogers.com> Message-ID: <561AB5B0.2000606@rogers.com> Thank you David! That did it! Strange that it's not in the KX3 manual... Thanks again and 73, Ken On 2015-10-11 3:00 PM, David Anderson wrote: > Ken, > > Here is a copy and paste from something I wrote about this previously: > > Found this... > > * CW-IN-SSB TRANSMIT ADDED: This feature allows you to send CW while > in SSB mode, which can be useful when your SSB signal cannot be copied > due to poor conditions. The other station will hear a tone at your CW > pitch. To enable CW-in-SSB: Locate the CW WGHT menu entry, then tap > ?1? (PRE) to alternate between ?SSW +CW? (enabled) and ?SSB ?CW? > (disabled). The default is disabled. ImportantNotes: (1) CW-in-SSB > does not yet apply in SPLIT mode. (2) When CW-in-SSB is enabled, > tapping the KEYER/MIC knob toggles between keyer speed and mic > gain rather than between the two transmit metering scales (CMP/ALC and > SWR/RF). The CMP/ALC scale is still shown temporarily whenever CMP or > mic gain are adjusted. > > > So that is what was causing it. DATA mode allows you to toggle it to > one or the other so when you go back to SSB. > > Useful to know. > > 73 > > David Anderson GM4JJJ > >> On 12 Feb 2015, at 20:13, David Anderson > > wrote: >> >> Correction I meant stuck displaying CMP ALC in the last sentence. >> >> 73 >> >> David Anderson GM4JJJ >> >>> On 12 Feb 2015, at 20:11, David Anderson >> > wrote: >>> >>> We have noticed (others on the Yahoo KX3 group) that if you toggle >>> to the CMP ALC meter display mode by tapping the Keyer/Mic knob >>> WHILE IN DATA mode that when you return to SSB mode there is no way >>> to toggle to SWR RF meter display. Tapping Keyer/Mic or CMP in SSB >>> then makes no difference, you are stuck forever displaying SWR RF. >>> >>> I wasn't aware of this until today, but it did cause quite a bit of >>> confusion. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> David Anderson GM4JJJ > > 73 > > David Anderson GM4JJJ > > On 11 Oct 2015, at 19:40, Ken Alexander > wrote: > >> I'm trying to set up my new KX3 to run JT-65. I can't figure out how >> to switch the KX3's meter over to the CMP/ALC display to set my audio >> level. >> >> The manual is vague on this. It says the display switches to CMP/ALC >> when in voice modes. Not in DATA A, and I switched to SSB and not >> there either. It still displays SWR/RF in receive and transmit. All >> the manual says in the DATA A and AFSK A section is to adjust the mic >> gain for 4 to 5 bars of ALC indication. I can't until I can switch >> the meter display over. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ken Alexander >> VE3HLS >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 15:17:30 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:17:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Frequency Not Synced for Diversity Receive In-Reply-To: <000f01d103bb$f1183c00$d348b400$@cox.net> References: <000f01d103bb$f1183c00$d348b400$@cox.net> Message-ID: Hi Lee, Make sure that CONFIG: VFO LNK is set to OFF. Then when you have done a hold on SUB button, see that the second decimal point is blinking. Mine currently reads one dot eight one seven dot six seven. The dot between seven and six is blinking indicating diversity mode. You do not have to link VFO's to enable diversity. Diversity does not use two linked synthesizers. It runs both RX off of the A syn. B syn is used in diversity only for transmit if you are doing "SPLIT" TX. Good Luck and 73 Guy K2AV On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 8:29 PM, KY7M wrote: > I am setting up diversity receive using the AUX input for my receiving > loop. > After holding the SUB button to turn on DIVERSITY, the speaker output is > obviously off between MAIN and SUB by a hundred Hz or more. I can hear the > same signal on the other speaker most of the time, but the tone is quite > different. I installed a pair of new synthesizer boards several months ago > and all else seems to be working properly. Any suggestions? > > > > Lee, KY7M > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sun Oct 11 15:20:19 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:20:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Radio check? Message-ID: <00ac01d10459$defda3e0$9cf8eba0$@carolinaheli.com> I'm not sure if my antenna/coax/radio is deaf because I can hear some signals. Is there a way to quantify and verify that at least the radio is receiving as designed ? The K3S, antenna, and coax are all new. Without a signal generator or such I'm not sure how this can be accomplished. I was only able to barely hear one or two people on the SSB net and was not able to check in. I'm in the Charlotte NC area for reference. My dipole is at 35' broadside to 45 degrees. Due to the height I'd expect high angle radiation which should help/work for NVIS and longer type contacts. Thanks in advance. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. From cf at cfcorp.com Sun Oct 11 15:34:39 2015 From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 12:34:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Radio check? In-Reply-To: <00ac01d10459$defda3e0$9cf8eba0$@carolinaheli.com> References: <00ac01d10459$defda3e0$9cf8eba0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <009b01d1045b$de8e5560$9bab0020$@com> I would start with your local AM Broadcast stations like WBT on 1100 KHz. I would then check out WWV on 5.0MHz, 10MHz, 15MHz, 20MHz as well as CHU in Canada on 3.33MHz, 7.850MHz and 14.67MHz. You might want to add these into memory for easy recall. Be mindful that time of day/current propagation/solar conditions will be in play as well. 73, Cliff K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 12:20 PM To: 'ELECRAFT' Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Radio check? I'm not sure if my antenna/coax/radio is deaf because I can hear some signals. Is there a way to quantify and verify that at least the radio is receiving as designed ? The K3S, antenna, and coax are all new. Without a signal generator or such I'm not sure how this can be accomplished. I was only able to barely hear one or two people on the SSB net and was not able to check in. I'm in the Charlotte NC area for reference. My dipole is at 35' broadside to 45 degrees. Due to the height I'd expect high angle radiation which should help/work for NVIS and longer type contacts. Thanks in advance. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cf at cfcorp.com From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sun Oct 11 15:43:45 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:43:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Radio check? In-Reply-To: <009b01d1045b$de8e5560$9bab0020$@com> References: <00ac01d10459$defda3e0$9cf8eba0$@carolinaheli.com> <009b01d1045b$de8e5560$9bab0020$@com> Message-ID: <012701d1045d$25e55070$71aff150$@carolinaheli.com> 2.5 nothing band noise 5 nothing just band noise 10 signal S6.5 with lots of band noise but readable 15 S6.5~S7 readable and clear with band noise 20 S8.5 very strong with almost no noise 25 S9 solid tone of some kind, no other signal or sound evident. I don't have the all band receive module if that matters.. I'm thinking everything is working and I just need better antennas.. ? Thanks in advance. -----Original Message----- From: Cliff Frescura [mailto:cf at cfcorp.com] Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 3:35 PM To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; 'ELECRAFT' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S Radio check? I would start with your local AM Broadcast stations like WBT on 1100 KHz. I would then check out WWV on 5.0MHz, 10MHz, 15MHz, 20MHz as well as CHU in Canada on 3.33MHz, 7.850MHz and 14.67MHz. You might want to add these into memory for easy recall. Be mindful that time of day/current propagation/solar conditions will be in play as well. 73, Cliff K3LL/6 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 12:20 PM To: 'ELECRAFT' Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Radio check? I'm not sure if my antenna/coax/radio is deaf because I can hear some signals. Is there a way to quantify and verify that at least the radio is receiving as designed ? The K3S, antenna, and coax are all new. Without a signal generator or such I'm not sure how this can be accomplished. I was only able to barely hear one or two people on the SSB net and was not able to check in. I'm in the Charlotte NC area for reference. My dipole is at 35' broadside to 45 degrees. Due to the height I'd expect high angle radiation which should help/work for NVIS and longer type contacts. Thanks in advance. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cf at cfcorp.com From jlbates4 at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 16:16:50 2015 From: jlbates4 at gmail.com (jlbates4) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 13:16:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? Message-ID: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> I was wondering why the K3/0 or K3/Remote Ops doesn't have a dedicated forum. Just a thought... The reason I ask is that I would really like a better manual for the K3/0. I have a lot of questions - simple things, like how do I control the LCD display or adjust the LED brightness? Is there a "local" menu system that allows for K3/0 configuration? 73 de K8OI ----- K8OI mailto:jlbates4 at gmail.com (804) 592-1068 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Forum-tp7608938.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ron at cobi.biz Sun Oct 11 16:28:50 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 13:28:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Radio check? In-Reply-To: <012701d1045d$25e55070$71aff150$@carolinaheli.com> References: <00ac01d10459$defda3e0$9cf8eba0$@carolinaheli.com> <009b01d1045b$de8e5560$9bab0020$@com> <012701d1045d$25e55070$71aff150$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <000001d10463$716d0aa0$54471fe0$@biz> Cdx are punk here in the Northwest today. Very few signals below 21 MHz. If one of the little Elecraft sig gens is too pricy ($90 to $180), think about assembling a little noise generator. I have one made out of a handful of parts with the most expensive piece being the 9V battery. The late Tom Hammond, N0SS, still has it on his web site: http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/noise_generator_ac7ac-style.pdf There are a couple of other versions on the same page. Once you note how your S-meter reacts to it on each band when the rig is obviously working well you can use it to see if your rig has gone deaf later. Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 12:44 PM To: 'Cliff Frescura'; ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; 'ELECRAFT' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Radio check? 2.5 nothing band noise 5 nothing just band noise 10 signal S6.5 with lots of band noise but readable 15 S6.5~S7 readable and clear with band noise 20 S8.5 very strong with almost no noise 25 S9 solid tone of some kind, no other signal or sound evident. I don't have the all band receive module if that matters.. I'm thinking everything is working and I just need better antennas.. ? Thanks in advance. From k6um.elist at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 16:29:47 2015 From: k6um.elist at gmail.com (Steve Lund) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 13:29:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] TX3X K3/KPA500 DXpedition to Chesterfield Islands onthe air In-Reply-To: <561AB1FC.6050008@gmail.com> References: <5614033F.9000104@elecraft.com> <56140E17.1080403@triconet.org> <83C98556-7E2D-437A-8099-30A6E82E2CF4@elecraft.com> <56195c52.0af7440a.328d1.5815@mx.google.com> <035f01d10390$3bcfe7b0$b36fb710$@carolinaheli.com> <65FCA283-1B37-4EEB-84F7-C57AE37EEB29@me.com> <036101d10396$ef7190b0$ce54b210$@carolinaheli.com> <561AB1FC.6050008@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, they were on 160m from approximately 1100z to 1200z. The 30m RTTY op went QRX. About 10 minutes later they showed up on 1826.5. Very weak signal with long and deep QSB. Definitely needed the K3 NR. The LP-PAN helped to determine who was calling. Mostly 9's and 0's getting in the log at their sunrise. KA6BIM and I from Oregon also made Qs. I'm curious what their antenna was. With the wind and it being the last day, I'm guessing that they loaded up one of the other antennas. Steve, K6UM On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Ken wrote: > According to the spotting network, they were on 160 this morning (EDT). > > I think they may be their last day of operation? > > Ken WA8JXM > > On 10/10/15 5:00 PM, Milt -- N5IA wrote: > >> Has anyone received information re when they will be able to get a 160M >> TX antenna going? >> >> Tnx for any info. >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6um.elist at gmail.com > From radioham at mchsi.com Sun Oct 11 16:30:54 2015 From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:30:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? In-Reply-To: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <382BAF3B-92A3-47F5-B84A-485447A0BECC@mchsi.com> I don?t know about a separate forum, but I am going to start looking at a remote installation for when we move into a retirement community and will want to know where the information is to be found. David K0LUM > On Oct 11, 2015, at 3:16 PM, jlbates4 wrote: > > I was wondering why the K3/0 or K3/Remote Ops doesn't have a dedicated forum. > Just a thought... > > The reason I ask is that I would really like a better manual for the K3/0. > I have a lot of questions - simple things, like how do I control the LCD > display or adjust the LED brightness? Is there a "local" menu system that > allows for K3/0 configuration? > > 73 de K8OI > From alsopb at nc.rr.com Sun Oct 11 16:40:46 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:40:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Radio check? In-Reply-To: <000001d10463$716d0aa0$54471fe0$@biz> References: <00ac01d10459$defda3e0$9cf8eba0$@carolinaheli.com> <009b01d1045b$de8e5560$9bab0020$@com> <012701d1045d$25e55070$71aff150$@carolinaheli.com> <000001d10463$716d0aa0$54471fe0$@biz> Message-ID: <561AC94E.8060508@nc.rr.com> Ron, Second that. I found it easier to maximize output by substituting a 1k resistor in series with a 1K pot for the 1.8 K resistor. Also after connecting the battery backwards once, a diode in series with the + supply was added. 73 de Brian/K3KO This unit produces about S9 noise on most bands with a fresh battery. Great for aligning filters. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 10/11/2015 20:28 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Cdx are punk here in the Northwest today. Very few signals below 21 MHz. > > If one of the little Elecraft sig gens is too pricy ($90 to $180), think > about assembling a little noise generator. I have one made out of a handful > of parts with the most expensive piece being the 9V battery. The late Tom > Hammond, N0SS, still has it on his web site: > > http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/noise_generator_ac7ac-style.pdf > > There are a couple of other versions on the same page. > > Once you note how your S-meter reacts to it on each band when the rig is > obviously working well you can use it to see if your rig has gone deaf > later. > > Ron AC7AC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > ae4pb at carolinaheli.com > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 12:44 PM > To: 'Cliff Frescura'; ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; 'ELECRAFT' > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Radio check? > > 2.5 nothing band noise > 5 nothing just band noise > 10 signal S6.5 with lots of band noise but readable > 15 S6.5~S7 readable and clear with band noise > 20 S8.5 very strong with almost no noise > 25 S9 solid tone of some kind, no other signal or sound evident. > > I don't have the all band receive module if that matters.. > > I'm thinking everything is working and I just need better antennas.. ? > Thanks in advance. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6140 / Virus Database: 4435/10798 - Release Date: 10/11/15 > > From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Sun Oct 11 16:54:19 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:54:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Radio check? In-Reply-To: <561AC94E.8060508@nc.rr.com> References: <561AC94E.8060508@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <561ACC7B.5000308@nycap.rr.com> 40 meters is alive with signals as of 16:50 Eastern time. If you don't have that - something is wrong in your system. No signal generator needed for that test. Bill W2BLC K-Line From w0sd at triotel.net Sun Oct 11 16:56:28 2015 From: w0sd at triotel.net (Ed Gray W0SD) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:56:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? In-Reply-To: <382BAF3B-92A3-47F5-B84A-485447A0BECC@mchsi.com> References: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> <382BAF3B-92A3-47F5-B84A-485447A0BECC@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <561ACCFC.9000806@triotel.net> The lack of a good manual and no diagram for the K3/0 is way......below the normal Elecraft standards. It is especially bad if in addition to remote rig you sometimes want to use the USB cable and remote hams. There just is no documentation as to what is going on! Ed W0SD On 10/11/2015 3:30 PM, David Christ wrote: > I don?t know about a separate forum, but I am going to start looking at a remote installation for when we move into a retirement community and will want to know where the information is to be found. > > David K0LUM > > >> On Oct 11, 2015, at 3:16 PM, jlbates4 wrote: >> >> I was wondering why the K3/0 or K3/Remote Ops doesn't have a dedicated forum. >> Just a thought... >> >> The reason I ask is that I would really like a better manual for the K3/0. >> I have a lot of questions - simple things, like how do I control the LCD >> display or adjust the LED brightness? Is there a "local" menu system that >> allows for K3/0 configuration? >> >> 73 de K8OI >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0sd at triotel.net From joe at selectconnect.net Sun Oct 11 17:02:52 2015 From: joe at selectconnect.net (Joe Moffatt) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:02:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY NO DVR message on memory Message-ID: When using RTTY, usually I can hit M1 to give my callsign like in CW mode.... But today that quit working, but it still works in CW mode.... Anyone have any idea what I did wrong? It displays NO DVR when I do that. Joe AB5OR From joe at selectconnect.net Sun Oct 11 17:14:26 2015 From: joe at selectconnect.net (Joe Moffatt) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:14:26 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY NO DVR message on memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll answer this myself... I just found via google another had the same problem. In my case, the mode on that band was set for AFSK A , not FSK mode. The M keys only work on FSK as far as I can tell. Joe From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Moffatt Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 4:03 PM To: elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RTTY NO DVR message on memory When using RTTY, usually I can hit M1 to give my callsign like in CW mode.... But today that quit working, but it still works in CW mode.... Anyone have any idea what I did wrong? It displays NO DVR when I do that. Joe AB5OR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to joe at selectconnect.net ________________________________ Total Control Panel Login To: joe at selectconnect.net From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: Medium Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Block this sender / Block this sender enterprise-wide Block mailman.qth.net / Block mailman.qth.net enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level. From bbaines at mac.com Sun Oct 11 17:30:59 2015 From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 17:30:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? In-Reply-To: <561ACCFC.9000806@triotel.net> References: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> <382BAF3B-92A3-47F5-B84A-485447A0BECC@mchsi.com> <561ACCFC.9000806@triotel.net> Message-ID: Ed: Part of the ?confusion? may be due to how different organizations/groups utilize the remote capabilities of Elecraft products. Which areas should be the responsibility for documenting which aspect of remote operations? For example, do you expect Elecraft or Remote Hams to provide appropriate documentation for using the K3/O with a Remote Hams connection? Second, the K3/O can be ?connected? to a K3 through various means. I would suggest since Elecraft offers the Remote Rig hardware as part of their product line offerings, their focus should be on getting the Remote Rig hardware properly interconnected with the K3 at the radio site as well as the K3/0 at the remote site. This includes proper remote rig configuration, which can at times be confusing due in part to network issues. In my opinion, Elecraft does a reasonably good job in their brief documentation in connecting via Remote Rig. I was able to get it done once I dealt with with some network issues. There is also the question of connecting the K3/0 to a local PC which in turn connects to a PC where the K3 itself is located to provide the connection. I don?t know how many people use this approach, but the documentation may indeed be in need of improvement. What is particularly lacking is understanding more complex setups beyond SSB where documentation is needed to explain how to setup digital modes and how to use computers at the remote site to do digital modes. There is also the question logging using a computer next to the K3/0 which gets into the question of proper com port configuration. The question of feeding audio and control lines to a PC at the remote using the available connection ports off the K3/O or the Remote Rig ?box? is not intuitive, nor is how best to use the two available com ports that can be managed between the remote site and the radio site (ham shack where the K3 is located) to feed data. Third, we need to remember that the K3/O?s front panel and menus control the K3 that is connected to the antenna. When you setup filters, set frequencies, set audio levels, etc. on the K3/0, you are directly interacting with the K3 at the ham shack. Even changing the volume level on the K3/0 to make for a more pleasant listening experience with the K3/0 internal speaker is in fact also changing the audio level of the speaker out of the K3 itself. That is why I always turn off the powered speakers at the K3 so that varying audio levels don?t result in loud speaker output at the ham shack where the radio is located. Fourth, for those of us that use the Remote Rig Hardware, there is a Remote Rig forum available through Remote Rig. There are some issues that more properly handled by the Remote Rig support process, such as how to finagle a connection through hotel WiFi services where a login is required. In my opinion, Remote Rig needs to come up with solutions to these issues, not Elecraft. FWIW, Barry Baines, WD4ASW Westborough, MA Folkston, GA (ham shack site) > On Oct 11, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Ed Gray W0SD wrote: > > The lack of a good manual and no diagram for the K3/0 is way......below the normal Elecraft standards. It is especially bad if in addition to remote rig you sometimes want to use the USB cable and remote hams. There just is no documentation as to what is going on! > > Ed W0SD > > On 10/11/2015 3:30 PM, David Christ wrote: >> I don?t know about a separate forum, but I am going to start looking at a remote installation for when we move into a retirement community and will want to know where the information is to be found. >> >> David K0LUM >> >> >>> On Oct 11, 2015, at 3:16 PM, jlbates4 wrote: >>> >>> I was wondering why the K3/0 or K3/Remote Ops doesn't have a dedicated forum. >>> Just a thought... >>> >>> The reason I ask is that I would really like a better manual for the K3/0. >>> I have a lot of questions - simple things, like how do I control the LCD >>> display or adjust the LED brightness? Is there a "local" menu system that >>> allows for K3/0 configuration? >>> >>> 73 de K8OI >>> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w0sd at triotel.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bbaines at mac.com From bw396ss at yahoo.com Sun Oct 11 17:52:58 2015 From: bw396ss at yahoo.com (Bill Wiehe) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO - Linking References: <48511798.2230337.1444600378376.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48511798.2230337.1444600378376.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I am having an issue with linking VFO A and B. Page 6 of the K3 ?owners manual (Revision D10) suggests that holding the 'SUB' ?will link ?the VFO's , and holding it more than 2 seconds "engages diversity mode." ?I never seem to get the linked VFO's. ?Holding the 'SUB' button any length of time engages diversity mode. I have the new synthesizers in my K3 and I have reloaded the firmware as well. Additionally, if ?I say 'YES' to link the ?VFO's in the CONFIG menu, as soon as I hit the "SUB' button the VFO's unlink.Anyone have any ideas as to what I might be doing incorrectly?Thanks,Bill-W0BBI? From jlbates4 at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 18:30:53 2015 From: jlbates4 at gmail.com (jlbates4) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:30:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? In-Reply-To: References: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> <382BAF3B-92A3-47F5-B84A-485447A0BECC@mchsi.com> <561ACCFC.9000806@triotel.net> Message-ID: ?The reason I was wondering if we should have a decided Forum/Sub Forum for this product line :) ? > Part of the ?confusion? may be due to how different organizations/groups > utilize the remote capabilities of Elecraft products. Which areas should > be the responsibility for documenting which aspect of remote operations? > For example, do you expect Elecraft or Remote Hams to provide appropriate > documentation for using the K3/O with a Remote Hams connection? > > ----- K8OI mailto:jlbates4 at gmail.com (804) 592-1068 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Forum-tp7608938p7608948.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From NZ3O at arrl.net Sun Oct 11 18:31:18 2015 From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:31:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge Message-ID: <561AE336.1080602@arrl.net> Is anyone running LP-Bridge under Windows 10? The site looks like development stopped early in Windows 8. TIA es 72 Byron From w6jhb at me.com Sun Oct 11 18:45:39 2015 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:45:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: <561AE336.1080602@arrl.net> References: <561AE336.1080602@arrl.net> Message-ID: <94148F95-926F-44AF-A5C2-C084F8B8B46C@me.com> Not on Win 10, but I used LPB2 under Win 8.1 for quite some time. Worked fine. Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Oct 11, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Byron Peebles wrote: > > Is anyone running LP-Bridge under Windows 10? > The site looks like development stopped early in Windows 8. > > TIA es 72 Byron > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 18:56:43 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:56:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO - Linking In-Reply-To: <48511798.2230337.1444600378376.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <48511798.2230337.1444600378376.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <48511798.2230337.1444600378376.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, The D10 manual text has been superseded by newer firmware. The only way now to do a VFO link is CONFIG: VFO LNK. Tap on SUB toggles the subRX. Hold on SUB toggles diversity mode. This is true for both K3 and K3S. The K3S front panel has a yellow DIV just to left of the SUB button. This change from D10 manual procedure was the result of a lot of discussion, and would seem permanent because big E has etched it into the front panel. Tapping SUB does *not* clear VFO LNK Holding SUB (turning on diversity) *does* clear VFO LNK Note in VFO LNK, moving VFO B knob changes B) and *not* A). Moving VFO A knob always changes *both* A) and B) by the same amount. 73, Guy K2AV On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Bill Wiehe via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > I am having an issue with linking VFO A and B. Page 6 of the K3 owners > manual (Revision D10) suggests that holding the 'SUB' will link the VFO's > , and holding it more than 2 seconds "engages diversity mode." I never > seem to get the linked VFO's. Holding the 'SUB' button any length of time > engages diversity mode. I have the new synthesizers in my K3 and I have > reloaded the firmware as well. Additionally, if I say 'YES' to link the > VFO's in the CONFIG menu, as soon as I hit the "SUB' button the VFO's > unlink.Anyone have any ideas as to what I might be doing > incorrectly?Thanks,Bill-W0BBI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com From g1mhu at hotmail.com Sun Oct 11 18:49:22 2015 From: g1mhu at hotmail.com (Robin Moseley) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 23:49:22 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: <94148F95-926F-44AF-A5C2-C084F8B8B46C@me.com> References: <561AE336.1080602@arrl.net> <94148F95-926F-44AF-A5C2-C084F8B8B46C@me.com> Message-ID: it does not do unicode, so is not supported by many of the newer programs, Shame as it was a nice utility.. Robin G1MHU -----Original Message----- From: James Bennett Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 11:45 PM To: NZ3O at arrl.net Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge Not on Win 10, but I used LPB2 under Win 8.1 for quite some time. Worked fine. Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Oct 11, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Byron Peebles wrote: > > Is anyone running LP-Bridge under Windows 10? > The site looks like development stopped early in Windows 8. > > TIA es 72 Byron > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 19:15:13 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 19:15:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? In-Reply-To: References: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> <382BAF3B-92A3-47F5-B84A-485447A0BECC@mchsi.com> <561ACCFC.9000806@triotel.net> Message-ID: To be practical, there just is no way for a maker of transceivers to keep up with all 3rd party generators of software/hardware. We depend on Elecraft engineers to be working on Elecraft products. Also, there is a 22 page manual for K3/0 and the remote protocol for Remote Rig, which Elecraft sells and supports at: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3%20Remote%20Owner's%20Manual%20%20Rev%20D.pdf I would squeeze out of that whatever you can. Since they sell RRG, they do have to keep up with RRG. 73, Guy K2AV On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 6:30 PM, jlbates4 wrote: > ?The reason I was wondering if we should have a decided Forum/Sub Forum for > this product line :) > > ? > > > > Part of the ?confusion? may be due to how different organizations/groups > > utilize the remote capabilities of Elecraft products. Which areas should > > be the responsibility for documenting which aspect of remote operations? > > For example, do you expect Elecraft or Remote Hams to provide appropriate > > documentation for using the K3/O with a Remote Hams connection? > > > > > > > > > ----- > K8OI > mailto:jlbates4 at gmail.com > (804) 592-1068 > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Forum-tp7608938p7608948.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From bw_dw at fastmail.fm Sun Oct 11 19:32:08 2015 From: bw_dw at fastmail.fm (dw) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:32:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Radio check? Message-ID: <1444606328.433224.407389593.13582A94@webmail.messagingengine.com> Jerry, I had a 2 foot long alligator clip lead on the antenna input of my K3s today and was hearing cw signals all over 40 meters. K3s is a pretty hot receiver. You might try to connect up a wire 5-10 feet long to the ANT 1 input. Put the rig in TEST mode and see what you hear. Fingers crossed you figure it out. -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Oct 11 19:46:11 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:46:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? In-Reply-To: References: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> <382BAF3B-92A3-47F5-B84A-485447A0BECC@mchsi.com> <561ACCFC.9000806@triotel.net> Message-ID: <561AF4C3.20600@socal.rr.com> You could always start a Yahoo Group with such a focus, ala the ones already there for K3/K3s and KX3. Here having a single email reflector for all Elecraft products makes the most sense, IMO. Separate ones for each product would be a tad messy. 73, Phil W7OX On 10/11/15 3:30 PM, jlbates4 wrote: > ?The reason I was wondering if we should have a decided Forum/Sub Forum for > this product line :) > > ? > > >> Part of the ?confusion? may be due to how different organizations/groups >> utilize the remote capabilities of Elecraft products. Which areas should >> be the responsibility for documenting which aspect of remote operations? >> For example, do you expect Elecraft or Remote Hams to provide appropriate >> documentation for using the K3/O with a Remote Hams connection? >> >> > > > > ----- > K8OI > mailto:jlbates4 at gmail.com > (804) 592-1068 From eric at elecraft.com Sun Oct 11 20:00:12 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 17:00:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? In-Reply-To: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Drop brandon at elecraft.com an email with your K3/0, Remoterig and remotehams.com questions. He is responsible for supporting these products, and he also happens to be the author of remonthams.com 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Oct 11, 2015, at 1:16 PM, jlbates4 wrote: > > I was wondering why the K3/0 or K3/Remote Ops doesn't have a dedicated forum. > Just a thought... > > The reason I ask is that I would really like a better manual for the K3/0. > I have a lot of questions - simple things, like how do I control the LCD > display or adjust the LED brightness? Is there a "local" menu system that > allows for K3/0 configuration? > > 73 de K8OI > > > > ----- > K8OI > mailto:jlbates4 at gmail.com > (804) 592-1068 > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Forum-tp7608938.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From af4b at att.net Sun Oct 11 20:23:27 2015 From: af4b at att.net (Bill Adams) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 19:23:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Radio check? In-Reply-To: <1444606328.433224.407389593.13582A94@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1444606328.433224.407389593.13582A94@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <2722C2D2-8170-4162-A05D-09EA6560DCF9@att.net> Make certain that the selected antenna input is correct. Bill af4b Sent from my iPad > On Oct 11, 2015, at 6:32 PM, dw wrote: > > Jerry, > I had a 2 foot long alligator clip lead on the antenna input of my K3s > today and was hearing cw signals all over 40 meters. > > K3s is a pretty hot receiver. > You might try to connect up a wire 5-10 feet long to the ANT 1 input. > Put the rig in TEST mode and see what you hear. > Fingers crossed you figure it out. > -- > Bw_dw at fastmail.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to af4b at att.net From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sun Oct 11 20:24:31 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:24:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: References: <561AE336.1080602@arrl.net> <94148F95-926F-44AF-A5C2-C084F8B8B46C@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Win4k3 has a built in equivalent to lpbridge and it supports Unicode. Sent from BlueMail On Oct 11, 2015, 7:14 PM, at 7:14 PM, Robin Moseley wrote: >it does not do unicode, so is not supported by many of the newer >programs, >Shame as it was a nice utility.. > >Robin G1MHU > >-----Original Message----- >From: James Bennett >Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 11:45 PM >To: NZ3O at arrl.net >Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge > >Not on Win 10, but I used LPB2 under Win 8.1 for quite some time. >Worked >fine. > >Jim Bennett / W6JHB >Folsom, CA > >> On Oct 11, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Byron Peebles wrote: >> >> Is anyone running LP-Bridge under Windows 10? >> The site looks like development stopped early in Windows 8. >> >> TIA es 72 Byron >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From w0sd at triotel.net Sun Oct 11 20:26:28 2015 From: w0sd at triotel.net (Ed Gray W0SD) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 19:26:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? In-Reply-To: References: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> <382BAF3B-92A3-47F5-B84A-485447A0BECC@mchsi.com> <561ACCFC.9000806@triotel.net> Message-ID: <561AFE34.5060606@triotel.net> I don't want another forum I just want decent documentation on the K3/0 mini in regards to the remotehams software. http://www.remotehams.com I have two remote rig set ups. I have used them for several years from many locations back to my home station. I have used them with the computer(TRX manager) I have used them with another K3 and the K3/0 Mini. I have used them on SSB, CW, RTTY, Digital. I have used them remotely with Writelog and done remote contesting. I of course have made a lot of DX contacts remotely. You can get help from the Remote Rig forum and the company. You can also get help from Elecraft, the e-mails and the K3/0 Mini manual for using the RRC boxes so it is not bad. I don't have any big problems with the K3/0 Mini and the Remote rig boxes although there are some things missing in the documentation by both companies. What I am talking about is using the K3/0 mini for http://www.remotehams.com/ (remotehams) For example do people know there are several jumpers inside the K3/0 Mini that are totally undocumented in the manual or anyplace else I can find? Do people know how to get the K3/0 Mini apart? It is not sold as a kit. There is more but I will leave it at that. The bottom line is the K3/0 Mini manual in regards to remote hams is "weak"! It should at least have a diagram or reference to a diagram on line. We are not dealing with another hardware product here. We are dealing with software that if you go to the site says sponsored by Elecraft. I should know better than to make a post but I thought I might be able to get some help for other K3/0 Mini owners or future owners for at least a schematic but mainly all I read is defense of the status quo. I am QRT on this subject. I will talk to Elecraft support tomorrow. 73 Ed W0SD From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sun Oct 11 22:36:02 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 22:36:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S AGC macro question Message-ID: <019a01d10496$bd7aeb50$3870c1f0$@carolinaheli.com> Hi, I'm learning macros and using the K3 test utility to learn. Tech MD is turned on. When trying to set AGC SLP=000 and AGC THR=8 using the below commands the AGC SLP setting refuses to change. MN074;MP008;MN017;MP000;SWT14; Troubleshooting: Entering the following commands responds with ?: but I see the correct attribute displayed. MN017; MP; Variations I've tried for the data command: MN074;MP008;MN017;MP000;SWT14; MN074;MP008; SWT14;MN017;MP000;SWT14; MN017;MP000;SWT14; MN017;MP00;SWT14; MN017;MP0;SWT14; I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.. Firmware version MCU 05.35 Tnx. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. From jboehner01 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 11 22:42:05 2015 From: jboehner01 at yahoo.com (James F. Boehner MD) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 22:42:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? Message-ID: <00f601d10497$95c36b40$c14a41c0$@yahoo.com> To All, I know the main advantage of having one central list (this one) is that it is monitored by Elecraft, and answers are provided by them, as well as other knowledgeable individuals on the forum. I have moderated the Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com for some time (Waaay before having a K3), and fortunately, Elecraft monitors that list as well. Since there appears to be a need, I have created Elecraft_K3-0 at yahoogroups.com for anyone who would like to have a separate forum. I would certainly welcome Elecraft to participate, as well as RemoteRig and Remote hams. I want to make it clear that I do not want to divide this forum, just provide a space where those who have a particular interest in Remote operating can gather. I am currently borrowing a K3/0 in anticipation of one I have on order, and purchased RemoteRig when I purchased my K3. All I can say is that it was indeed fortunate that I had someone who has set up a number of remote stations with RemoteRig to guide me through the process. It is not "a walk in the park" for someone who has not done it before. Hopefully this new forum can help. David from Elecraft did send me a separate communication dated June 2015 (K3 and K3S Remote System FAQ) on remote operating, and I've found it very helpful. If anyone cares to join the list, elecraft_k3-0-subscribe at yahoogroups.com should do it, but going to http://groups.yahoo.com and searching for Elecraft_K3-0 would be best. It will be moderated. Please place your callsign in the "why you want to join this group" for quick approval. ?73 de JIM N2ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ed Gray W0SD Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 4:56 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? The lack of a good manual and no diagram for the K3/0 is way......below the normal Elecraft standards. It is especially bad if in addition to remote rig you sometimes want to use the USB cable and remote hams. There just is no documentation as to what is going on! Ed W0SD On 10/11/2015 3:30 PM, David Christ wrote: > I don?t know about a separate forum, but I am going to start looking at a remote installation for when we move into a retirement community and will want to know where the information is to be found. > > David K0LUM > > >> On Oct 11, 2015, at 3:16 PM, jlbates4 wrote: >> >> I was wondering why the K3/0 or K3/Remote Ops doesn't have a dedicated forum. >> Just a thought... >> >> The reason I ask is that I would really like a better manual for the K3/0. >> I have a lot of questions - simple things, like how do I control the >> LCD display or adjust the LED brightness? Is there a "local" menu >> system that allows for K3/0 configuration? >> >> 73 de K8OI >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > w0sd at triotel.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jboehner01 at yahoo.com From photo58625 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 11 23:48:47 2015 From: photo58625 at yahoo.com (Mark K9BOO) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 22:48:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector Help Message-ID: <006d01d104a0$e64dec80$b2e9c580$@yahoo.com> Hello! Does anyone else use Android mail to open email digests from this Elecraft reflector on qth.net? Perhaps you have a suggestion on how I can read the digest emails? I get an email digest with attachments for each email. The attachments have a ".msg" extension which Android doesn't know how to handle. In contract, at my desk, the computer has outlook and can open these attachments and display the emails with no problem. I am hoping I won't have to log into my email provider just to use their webmail interface. Thanks! Mark K9BOO From andw at bigpond.com Mon Oct 12 00:22:08 2015 From: andw at bigpond.com (andrew) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 15:22:08 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Band-Pass Filter Trimcap values In-Reply-To: <560E7857.1080807@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <20151012042208.STFDJ.27768.root@nschwwebs03p> Hello Don Thanks very much for the useful information. I was able to source some trimcaps with the correct pin-spacing and a nominal range of 3 - 30pF. The maximum values used bacame: C21, C23, C32, C34 = 50pF C44, C46 = 30pF These resulted in all bands being easily tuned for peak output close to the middle of the trimming adjustment. Thanks again. Andrew vk6wax ---- Don Wilhelm wrote: > Andrew, > > C21 and C23 are good with the ceramic capacitors with the red dot - use > those supplied with your kit. > C32 and C34 need approximately 25 pF to tune, and your current brown > trimmers should do the job nicely. > For C44 and C46 the capacity needed is approximately 10 pF (the brown > body trimmers will *not* work). > The trimmers currently being supplied for use at C44 and C46 are PN > E540011 and have a red body. > > If you ordered your K2 in the last quarter of 2014 the kit was supplied > with 4 brown bodied trimmer capacitors (that was corrected in > December), which were supposed to have a minimum capacity of 6pF but > the actual minimum capacity is more like 20pF. I don't know if the > manufacturer had an incorrect value on the data sheet, or what happened, > but the actual range of those brown trimmers is nominally 20 to 60pF. > > So bottom line, the brown trimmers will work fine at C32 and C34 and are > what is currently being supplied in new kits. > The trimmers now being used for C44 and C46 are PN E540011 and have a > red body. You can request those from parts (at) elecraft.com. > > If you want to procure trimmers locally, and you can fine 5-30pF > trimmers, they will work, but watch the minimum capacitance of anything > you substitute, particularly for C44 and C46. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 10/2/2015 6:04 AM, andrew wrote: > > During initial build I didn't have a signal generator and wasn't happy with the band-pass filter alignment for the 12m and 17m bands which use trimcaps. > > Revisiting the alignment with a newly acquired signal generator I found I couldn't get a correct adjustment and removed C46 - it's maximum value is 66pF when it should be approx 30pF. > > I removed C32, C34 and C44 and all have a max of approx 66pF. I also checked C21 and C23 which are correct with a maximum of 50pF. (and different physical construction with Red mark) > > Before I make replacements I would like to confirm that the correct values should be: > > > > C21, C23 = max 50pF > > C32, C34, C44, C46 = max 30pF > > > > > From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Mon Oct 12 07:07:14 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 07:07:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector Help In-Reply-To: <006d01d104a0$e64dec80$b2e9c580$@yahoo.com> References: <006d01d104a0$e64dec80$b2e9c580$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002d01d104de$27a1a1d0$76e4e570$@carolinaheli.com> I use K-9 Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark K9BOO via Elecraft Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 11:49 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector Help Hello! Does anyone else use Android mail to open email digests from this Elecraft reflector on qth.net? Perhaps you have a suggestion on how I can read the digest emails? I get an email digest with attachments for each email. The attachments have a ".msg" extension which Android doesn't know how to handle. In contract, at my desk, the computer has outlook and can open these attachments and display the emails with no problem. I am hoping I won't have to log into my email provider just to use their webmail interface. Thanks! Mark K9BOO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From georgek5kg at aol.com Mon Oct 12 08:37:19 2015 From: georgek5kg at aol.com (George K5KG) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:37:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? In-Reply-To: <561ACCFC.9000806@triotel.net> References: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> <382BAF3B-92A3-47F5-B84A-485447A0BECC@mchsi.com> <561ACCFC.9000806@triotel.net> Message-ID: <561BA97F.8000509@aol.com> K1KNQ and I have recently set up W1YL with a K3/0-Mini using and remotehams.com, and the RCForb software. In this installation, the K3/0-Mini is directly connected to a Windows 7 machine via two virtual comm ports. W1YL is able to connect to any number of remote stations using the RCForb software, and has been successful in making a number of CW Qsos using W8RJ as the remote stn. In W1YL's case, she is located in an apartment with good broadband service, but no way to put up an outside antenna, so the remote set up is a good solution for her. The only documentation that we had available for doing this installation was what we found on remotehams.com. The K3/0-Mini's manual was of limited help. In W1YL's case, she had never used a K3, and was totally unfamiliar with how to operate the K3/0-MIni and its many "tiny and confusing" controls. We provided her with copies of some of the more relevant pages from a K3 manual, but what really brought her up speed were several training sessions on how to connect to a remote station and use the K3/0 and its many controls. It has been an interesting journey. 73, George, K5KG On 10/11/2015 4:56 PM, Ed Gray W0SD wrote: > The lack of a good manual and no diagram for the K3/0 is > way......below the normal Elecraft standards. It is especially bad if > in addition to remote rig you sometimes want to use the USB cable and > remote hams. There just is no documentation as to what is going on! > > Ed W0SD > > On 10/11/2015 3:30 PM, David Christ wrote: >> I don?t know about a separate forum, but I am going to start looking >> at a remote installation for when we move into a retirement community >> and will want to know where the information is to be found. >> >> David K0LUM >> >> >>> On Oct 11, 2015, at 3:16 PM, jlbates4 wrote: >>> >>> I was wondering why the K3/0 or K3/Remote Ops doesn't have a >>> dedicated forum. >>> Just a thought... >>> >>> The reason I ask is that I would really like a better manual for the >>> K3/0. >>> I have a lot of questions - simple things, like how do I control the >>> LCD >>> display or adjust the LED brightness? Is there a "local" menu >>> system that >>> allows for K3/0 configuration? >>> >>> 73 de K8OI >>> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w0sd at triotel.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to georgek5kg at aol.com -- George Wagner, K5KG Sarasota, FL 941-400-1960 From ny9h at arrl.net Mon Oct 12 09:45:19 2015 From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill NY9H) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:45:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? In-Reply-To: <561BA97F.8000509@aol.com> References: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> <382BAF3B-92A3-47F5-B84A-485447A0BECC@mchsi.com> <561ACCFC.9000806@triotel.net> <561BA97F.8000509@aol.com> Message-ID: that k3/0 implementation with remotehams.com is wonderful and easy ..... mini notebook w/ wifi LOAD CLIENT SOFTWARE usb to k3/0 CABLE plug in mic or headset DONE activated the wifi hotspot in my smartphone ... and it even works.... so far just ssb. bill From k2mk at comcast.net Mon Oct 12 09:54:47 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 06:54:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? In-Reply-To: References: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1444658087962-7608967.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Eric, I must be the only person that hasn't figured out how to read e-mail addresses posted on the reflector. Are you aware that they get truncated and/or hidden? It would be very helpful if posters would spell out the e-mail address in a manner similar to this: k2mk at comcast dot not 73, Mike K2MK Hi Jim, Drop brandon@ an email with your K3/0, Remoterig and remotehams.com questions. He is responsible for supporting these products, and he also happens to be the author of remonthams.com 73, Eric elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Forum-tp7608938p7608967.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Oct 12 10:25:51 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 07:25:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector Help In-Reply-To: <002d01d104de$27a1a1d0$76e4e570$@carolinaheli.com> References: <006d01d104a0$e64dec80$b2e9c580$@yahoo.com> <002d01d104de$27a1a1d0$76e4e570$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <561BC2EF.7070701@socal.rr.com> Hmm .. 4-legged variety or ?? Phil W7OX On 10/12/15 4:07 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > I use K-9 > > Jerry Moore > CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists > AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 > http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB > An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and > Patriotic. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark > K9BOO via Elecraft > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 11:49 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector Help > > Hello! > > > > Does anyone else use Android mail to open email digests from this Elecraft > reflector on qth.net? Perhaps you have a suggestion on how I can read the > digest emails? > > > > I get an email digest with attachments for each email. The attachments have > a ".msg" extension which Android doesn't know how to handle. In contract, > at my desk, the computer has outlook and can open these attachments and > display the emails with no problem. > > > > I am hoping I won't have to log into my email provider just to use their > webmail interface. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mark K9BOO From scott.manthe at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 10:27:17 2015 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 10:27:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? In-Reply-To: <1444658087962-7608967.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444658087962-7608967.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <561BC345.9000807@gmail.com> It might be something with your client, Mike. I guess is could also be a Windows security "feature." Email addresses are not truncated here with Thunderbird and OSX. The rest of Brandon's email is elecraft.com 73, Scott N9AA On 10/12/15 9:54 AM, Mike K2MK wrote: > Hi Eric, > > I must be the only person that hasn't figured out how to read e-mail > addresses posted on the reflector. Are you aware that they get truncated > and/or hidden? It would be very helpful if posters would spell out the > e-mail address in a manner similar to this: > > k2mk at comcast dot not > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > Hi Jim, > > Drop brandon@ an email with your K3/0, Remoterig and remotehams.com > questions. He is responsible for supporting these products, and he also > happens to be the author of remonthams.com > > 73, > > Eric > elecraft.com > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Forum-tp7608938p7608967.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to scott.manthe at gmail.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Oct 12 10:39:19 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 10:39:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? In-Reply-To: <1444658087962-7608967.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444658087962-7608967.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <561BC617.1090508@embarqmail.com> Mike, I don't know what email client you are using, but I am using Thunderbird, and that email address in Eric's post came through loud and clear - It was even underlined and colored in blue. Bottom line, that is not being done by the Elecraft reflector - it must be something in your email client that is causing the addresses to be truncated. OTOH, I notice you are responding through Nabble - it may be a "feature" of Nabble - I receive my Elecraft posts directly from the reflector - mailman.qth.net. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/12/2015 9:54 AM, Mike K2MK wrote: > Hi Eric, > > I must be the only person that hasn't figured out how to read e-mail > addresses posted on the reflector. Are you aware that they get truncated > and/or hidden? It would be very helpful if posters would spell out the > e-mail address in a manner similar to this: > > k2mk at comcast dot not > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > Hi Jim, > > Drop brandon@ an email with your K3/0, Remoterig and remotehams.com > questions. He is responsible for supporting these products, and he also > happens to be the author of remonthams.com > > From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Oct 12 10:40:05 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:40:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO - Linking Message-ID: One other way is to program the LINK function into one of the PF buttons ? one push and it links / unlinks. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ > >Message: 12 >Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:56:43 -0400 >From: Guy Olinger K2AV >To: Bill Wiehe >Cc: Elecraft Reflector >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO - Linking >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >Hi Bill, > >The D10 manual text has been superseded by newer firmware. The only way >now >to do a VFO link is CONFIG: VFO LNK. > >Tap on SUB toggles the subRX. > >Hold on SUB toggles diversity mode. > >This is true for both K3 and K3S. The K3S front panel has a yellow DIV >just >to left of the SUB button. This change from D10 manual procedure was the >result of a lot of discussion, and would seem permanent because big E has >etched it into the front panel. > >Tapping SUB does *not* clear VFO LNK > >Holding SUB (turning on diversity) *does* clear VFO LNK > >Note in VFO LNK, moving VFO B knob changes B) and *not* A). Moving VFO A >knob always changes *both* A) and B) by the same amount. > >73, Guy K2AV From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Mon Oct 12 10:44:36 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 10:44:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector Help In-Reply-To: <561BC2EF.7070701@socal.rr.com> References: <006d01d104a0$e64dec80$b2e9c580$@yahoo.com> <002d01d104de$27a1a1d0$76e4e570$@carolinaheli.com> <561BC2EF.7070701@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <009101d104fc$8539ea50$8fadbef0$@carolinaheli.com> HAHAHAHA!! J Open the google playstore and enter k-9 mail ..that's what I use. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. From: Phil Wheeler [mailto:w7ox at socal.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 10:26 AM To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reflector Help Hmm .. 4-legged variety or ?? Phil W7OX On 10/12/15 4:07 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: I use K-9 Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark K9BOO via Elecraft Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 11:49 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector Help Hello! Does anyone else use Android mail to open email digests from this Elecraft reflector on qth.net? Perhaps you have a suggestion on how I can read the digest emails? I get an email digest with attachments for each email. The attachments have a ".msg" extension which Android doesn't know how to handle. In contract, at my desk, the computer has outlook and can open these attachments and display the emails with no problem. I am hoping I won't have to log into my email provider just to use their webmail interface. Thanks! Mark K9BOO From k2mk at comcast.net Mon Oct 12 10:58:12 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 07:58:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? In-Reply-To: <561BC345.9000807@gmail.com> References: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> <1444658087962-7608967.post@n2.nabble.com> <561BC345.9000807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1444661892862-7608973.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Scott, I chose not to receive postings through my e-mail. I look at the postings on either: http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft at mailman.qth.net/maillist.html or http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ Obviously those two services do the truncating. I guess I should rephrase my querie to ask if I'm the only guy not receiving postings through e-mail. 73, Mike K2MK Scott Manthe-2 wrote > It might be something with your client, Mike. I guess is could also be a > Windows security "feature." Email addresses are not truncated here with > Thunderbird and OSX. The rest of Brandon's email is elecraft.com > > 73, > Scott N9AA > > > On 10/12/15 9:54 AM, Mike K2MK wrote: >> Hi Eric, >> >> I must be the only person that hasn't figured out how to read e-mail >> addresses posted on the reflector. Are you aware that they get truncated >> and/or hidden? It would be very helpful if posters would spell out the >> e-mail address in a manner similar to this: >> >> k2mk at comcast dot not >> >> 73, >> Mike K2MK -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-0-Forum-tp7608938p7608973.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Oct 12 11:00:19 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:00:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector Help In-Reply-To: <009101d104fc$8539ea50$8fadbef0$@carolinaheli.com> References: <006d01d104a0$e64dec80$b2e9c580$@yahoo.com> <002d01d104de$27a1a1d0$76e4e570$@carolinaheli.com> <561BC2EF.7070701@socal.rr.com> <009101d104fc$8539ea50$8fadbef0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <561BCB03.3000903@embarqmail.com> Are you trying to say that K-9 is "not a dog" :-) I use Thunderbird and do not have a Smartphone, so I am behind the times - no reliable cell reception at my home, so I have no good use for a Smartphone and its resulting expense because most of my time is at home. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/12/2015 10:44 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > HAHAHAHA!! J > > Open the google playstore and enter k-9 mail > > ..that's what I use. > > > > Jerry Moore > > CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists > > AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 > > http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB > > An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and > Patriotic. > > > > From: Phil Wheeler [mailto:w7ox at socal.rr.com] > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 10:26 AM > To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reflector Help > > > > Hmm .. 4-legged variety or ?? > > Phil W7OX > > On 10/12/15 4:07 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > > I use K-9 > > From ae5x at juno.com Mon Oct 12 11:04:36 2015 From: ae5x at juno.com (ae5x at juno.com) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 15:04:36 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] K3 for sale Message-ID: <20151012.100436.29066.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> I have a K3 (serial# 4014) with the following options: 100W amp KXV3 400Hz filter Mint condition, non-smoking home, manuals included as well as Fred KE7X's spiral bound "Design, Config & Operation" book. $1800 plus shipping from 77339. John AE5X https://tatqrp.wordpress.com ____________________________________________________________ Meet the Graviteers: Ezekiel Victor My name is Zeke! I find it hard to pick favorites because I get sick of too much of one thing. Read more ??? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/561bcc33de3ad4c333d6bst03vuc From n8lp at telepostinc.com Mon Oct 12 11:11:48 2015 From: n8lp at telepostinc.com (Larry Phipps) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:11:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <561BCDB4.3030206@telepostinc.com> LP-Bridge should run fine under W10. We were running LP-Bridge under W10 at our booth at Dayton along with NaP3 and CW Skimmer. It is true that LP-Bridge does not support Unicode, which is mainly an issue with newer versions of HRD which now use Unicode. I haven't heard any feedback about Unicode incompatibilities from users other than HRD. We have a warning at the top of our LP-Bridge web page about HRD / Unicode. I will add other programs to the warning if I know what they are. Unicode support is on our to do list, but there are other things higher in the queue. Larry N8LP On 10/12/2015 9:54 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 23:49:22 +0100 > From: "Robin Moseley" > To: "James Bennett", > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > it does not do unicode, so is not supported by many of the newer programs, > Shame as it was a nice utility.. > > Robin G1MHU From eric at elecraft.com Mon Oct 12 11:26:00 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:26:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? In-Reply-To: <00f601d10497$95c36b40$c14a41c0$@yahoo.com> References: <00f601d10497$95c36b40$c14a41c0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <561BD108.9080009@elecraft.com> While we appreciate the interest in additional forums, we can not watch them all and only only infrequently read all the ones on Yahoo. If there end up lists for every product we make, it will quickly be impossible for us to participate in all of them. If you have a question on using our products, please place it here first (or at least in duplicate to any other forum) as we and our close to 5000 list readers are most likely to have a quick answer for you :-) This list acts as our central clearing house for questions and company announcements. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 10/11/2015 7:42 PM, James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft wrote: > To All, > > I know the main advantage of having one central list (this one) is that it is monitored by Elecraft, and answers are provided by them, as well as other knowledgeable individuals on the forum. > > I have moderated the Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com for some time (Waaay before having a K3), and fortunately, Elecraft monitors that list as well. > > Since there appears to be a need, I have created Elecraft_K3-0 at yahoogroups.com for anyone who would like to have a separate forum. I would certainly welcome Elecraft to participate, as well as RemoteRig and Remote hams. > > I want to make it clear that I do not want to divide this forum, just provide a space where those who have a particular interest in Remote operating can gather. > > I am currently borrowing a K3/0 in anticipation of one I have on order, and purchased RemoteRig when I purchased my K3. All I can say is that it was indeed fortunate that I had someone who has set up a number of remote stations with RemoteRig to guide me through the process. It is not "a walk in the park" for someone who has not done it before. Hopefully this new forum can help. > > David from Elecraft did send me a separate communication dated June 2015 (K3 and K3S Remote System FAQ) on remote operating, and I've found it very helpful. > > If anyone cares to join the list, elecraft_k3-0-subscribe at yahoogroups.com should do it, but going to http://groups.yahoo.com and searching for Elecraft_K3-0 would be best. It will be moderated. Please place your callsign in the "why you want to join this group" for quick approval. > > ?73 de JIM N2ZZ > > From john at kk9a.com Mon Oct 12 11:40:32 2015 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:40:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ACC jack Message-ID: <7280d57d369c6cf2c161bf39be1ccb50.squirrel@www11.qth.com> I am setting up my newly purchased K3S and I have three devices that use the same ACC jack on the transceiver. I use a Top Ten Band Decoder for switching antennas and filters, a MicroHAM DigiKeyer II for CW and RTTY and an Elecraft KAP500/KAT500 linear amplifier and tuner. The Band Decoder and DigiKeyer II interface well individually with the K3S, I have yet to try the amplifier ACC cable. How can I run all three devices simultaneously though the single K3S ACC jack? Elecraft supplied a Y adapter with the amplifier cable. Do I need another Y, is is safe to connect all of these together with Y's? Is there a better solution? 73, John KK9A From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Oct 12 11:50:15 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:50:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ACC jack In-Reply-To: <7280d57d369c6cf2c161bf39be1ccb50.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <7280d57d369c6cf2c161bf39be1ccb50.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: <561BD6B7.30709@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,10/12/2015 8:40 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > an Elecraft KAP500/KAT500 linear amplifier and tuner. John, Neither of these really NEED the Accessory line, because both are very good at instantaneously detecting transmitted RF and switching bands. All it takes is a dit or a tap on the mic. What both of these units DO need is RCA to RCA cables from K3S to KAT500 to KPA500 for PTT. The only "feature" you lose by not using the AUX bus is the ability to change bands using the push buttons on the KPA500, a feature I've never found useful. 73, Jim K9YC From jbeitchman at jgbconsult.com Mon Oct 12 12:08:49 2015 From: jbeitchman at jgbconsult.com (James Beitchman) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 12:08:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum Message-ID: Eric, I am pleased to see this topic raised, I was one of the first users of the K3/0 mini with a long back-ordered unit. For me the set-up process was lengthy (5 weeks working at two sites 100 miles apart), painful, educational and eventually very successful. I am delighted to be able to experience excellent multi-mode ham radio from my Manhattan basement office with my K3/100 more than 100 miles from here! To get the system going (every aspect of my current set up is now carefully documented), required numerous communications with Brandon by e-mail and phone (he was very patient!) and directly with RemoteRig in Sweden - even two phone calls. I can easily identify why this was so difficult. The terse manual from Elecraft and the huge document from RemoteRig were written by and for people who have Internet networking familiarity and experience. Though I am a technical professional, I had no such experience - understanding and using DDNS services, SIP, port forwarding, ports in the DMZ, etc was a new challenge. The manuals from either provider did not really help with the fundamentals of Internet networking set-up for a first time user. While I fully agree with the respondents who have suggested that a single source - Elecraft - should provide a single manual that addresses both RemoteRig and K3/0 set up and operational issues, some way must be found to address the market/users that do not have familiarity with Internet networking in general. Maybe there is some already existing primmer that you could supply with the equipment or the manual could contain a chapter with the basic networking information. I suspect that such information would reduce Brandon's e-mail by a huge amount. Your job is not primarily to educate users on Internet networking, but I think there is a large community of potential K3/0 owners/users who would benefit from such basic information; it would rebound to Elecraft's benefit, I'm sure. 73 from a happy K3/0 mini to K3/100 user. Buzz W3EMD Message: 17 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 17:00:12 -0700 From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" < > To: jlbates4 Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Jim, Drop brandon at elecraft.com an email with your K3/0, Remoterig and remotehams.com questions. He is responsible for supporting these products, and he also happens to be the author of remonthams.com 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ From eric at elecraft.com Mon Oct 12 12:08:50 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:08:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ACC jack In-Reply-To: <7280d57d369c6cf2c161bf39be1ccb50.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <7280d57d369c6cf2c161bf39be1ccb50.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: <561BDB12.80803@elecraft.com> Hi John, Its OK to daisy chain multiple ACC 'Y' cables. Be sure to check for possible conflicts between your other external devices on the lines they may share. Eric /elecraft.com/ On 10/12/2015 8:40 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > I am setting up my newly purchased K3S and I have three devices that use > the same ACC jack on the transceiver. I use a Top Ten Band Decoder for > switching antennas and filters, a MicroHAM DigiKeyer II for CW and RTTY > and an Elecraft KAP500/KAT500 linear amplifier and tuner. The Band Decoder > and DigiKeyer II interface well individually with the K3S, I have yet to > try the amplifier ACC cable. How can I run all three devices > simultaneously though the single K3S ACC jack? Elecraft supplied a Y > adapter with the amplifier cable. Do I need another Y, is is safe to > connect all of these together with Y's? Is there a better solution? > > 73, > John KK9A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From g1mhu at hotmail.com Mon Oct 12 12:15:28 2015 From: g1mhu at hotmail.com (Robin Moseley) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:15:28 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: <561BCDB4.3030206@telepostinc.com> References: <561BCDB4.3030206@telepostinc.com> Message-ID: Hi Larry, Please let me know when Unicode is supported as I get asked quite often by K3 users that use HRD and were using LP-Bridge to run PTT lines with WSJT Robin G1MHU From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Oct 12 12:32:48 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:32:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living Message-ID: <201510121632.t9CGWnFQ003941@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Starting a new topic but it was inspired from the 'K3/0 forum' topic. I'm still thriving from my Alaskan Ham Home, but know someday (hopefully distant) we will be moving to assisted living and I'm just musing a bit how I can continue operating. Most of those institutions to not permit ham antennas so I wondered how I could continue having a ham station. Of course a remote station is an obvious solution, but if on meager funds (which assisted living will absorb) how to do it? Our local ham club built a mobile emergency trailer a couple years back completely outfitted for multi-stations with dual voltage, propane heat, a couple bunks fold-out from one wall. Basic trailer was one of the toy-mover models which got wired, insulated and interior wall and ceiling added plus a nice exterior signage. That gave me an idea that maybe I could build my station into a similar trailer all interconnected for remote control using internet (maybe wifi). And the trailer parked long-term with power (or solar panels) and an attached crank-up tower either at a storage lot or friendly ham (who has room - like a farm or ranch). Thus all I would need is a computer and K3/0 in assisted living. Might even have a separate trailer mounted dish for eme? Ha! Any thoughts on this - any issues that one would face? 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From jermo at carolinaheli.com Mon Oct 12 12:44:03 2015 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 12:44:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: References: <561BCDB4.3030206@telepostinc.com> Message-ID: <012101d1050d$352e1020$9f8a3060$@carolinaheli.com> +1 on HRD support in LP-Bridge Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robin Moseley Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:15 PM To: Larry Phipps; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge Hi Larry, Please let me know when Unicode is supported as I get asked quite often by K3 users that use HRD and were using LP-Bridge to run PTT lines with WSJT Robin G1MHU ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From tomb18 at videotron.ca Mon Oct 12 12:52:26 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 12:52:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: <012101d1050d$352e1020$9f8a3060$@carolinaheli.com> References: <561BCDB4.3030206@telepostinc.com> <012101d1050d$352e1020$9f8a3060$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <527895ea-a40b-4c98-a717-b376a6ad76cd@typeapp.com> Hi I think a more accurate description of what is missing in lpbridge is the inability to use the DS and IC commands on the k3,kx3 and k3s. These commands require an 8 bit character set, hence Unicode. The lack of support for the ic and ds commands prevents decoding of k3 status for many functions. In addition, almost all menu items can't be decoded. 73 Tom va2fsq.com Sent from BlueMail On Oct 12, 2015, 12:46 PM, at 12:46 PM, Jerry Moore wrote: >+1 on HRD support in LP-Bridge > >Jerry Moore >CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists >AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 >http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB >An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, >and >Patriotic. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Robin >Moseley >Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:15 PM >To: Larry Phipps; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge > >Hi Larry, > >Please let me know when Unicode is supported as I get asked quite often >by >K3 users that use HRD and were using LP-Bridge to run PTT lines with >WSJT > >Robin G1MHU > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message >delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From davidahrendts at me.com Mon Oct 12 13:14:40 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 10:14:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S + SteppIR DB11 Connections Message-ID: <95103D68-A806-4E6A-BB9E-CC4B62852864@me.com> Quick help on connecting the SteppIR SDA 100 controller to the K3S for brand tracking, please. Is it the SteppIR Y-cable from the K3S ACC? Or does one use the Elecraft KPAK3AUX cable set Y-connector? David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From georgek5kg at aol.com Mon Oct 12 13:23:08 2015 From: georgek5kg at aol.com (George K5KG) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:23:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living In-Reply-To: <201510121632.t9CGWnFQ003941@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201510121632.t9CGWnFQ003941@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <561BEC7C.4080602@aol.com> Hello Ed, Pse see my comments below: On 10/12/2015 12:32 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Starting a new topic but it was inspired from the 'K3/0 forum' topic. > > I'm still thriving from my Alaskan Ham Home, but know someday > (hopefully distant) we will be moving to assisted living and I'm just > musing a bit how I can continue operating. Most of those institutions > to not permit ham antennas so I wondered how I could continue having a > ham station. It is not just "assisted living" facilities, but apartments, condos, and even home locations with CCR/HOA restrictions. > > Of course a remote station is an obvious solution, but if on meager > funds (which assisted living will absorb) how to do it? The remote station that we set up for apartment-bound W1YL was done for less than $1,000. The K3/0-Mini was $900, plus expenses for a used Windows 7 computer, kbd, mouse, monitor, footswitch, and some of this was donated. She has good broadband service for Internet and TV, so this was an existing expense. If you use the services of remotehams.com, there is no cost, other than any donations that you may wish to make. If you use Remote Ham Radio (RHR), the operating costs can be significant, and it requires additional hardware. > > Our local ham club built a mobile emergency trailer a couple years > back completely outfitted for multi-stations with dual voltage, > propane heat, a couple bunks fold-out from one wall. Basic trailer > was one of the toy-mover models which got wired, insulated and > interior wall and ceiling added plus a nice exterior signage. I had this as a similar solution many years ago in Houston where I had a TVI-Irate neighbor. My friend, W5SJS, had a lumber yard which was fully fenced in and contained a large garage containing a Winnebago RV. We eventually built up a 7 tower contest station with multi-op positions in the garage along side the RV. It was wonderful! > > That gave me an idea that maybe I could build my station into a > similar trailer all interconnected for remote control using internet > (maybe wifi). And the trailer parked long-term with power (or solar > panels) and an attached crank-up tower either at a storage lot or > friendly ham (who has room - like a farm or ranch). Thus all I would > need is a computer and K3/0 in assisted living. Might even have a > separate trailer mounted dish for eme? Ha! You could build a station in a trailer, somewhat like what I did in Houston. You could operate from the trailer, as well as remotely from your assisted living facility. > > Any thoughts on this - any issues that one would face? > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > dubususa at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to georgek5kg at aol.com -- George Wagner, K5KG Sarasota, FL 941-400-1960 From djcarohmer at ntin.net Mon Oct 12 13:32:24 2015 From: djcarohmer at ntin.net (Dwayne Rohmer) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 12:32:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living In-Reply-To: <201510121632.t9CGWnFQ003941@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201510121632.t9CGWnFQ003941@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <561BEEA8.3080900@ntin.net> Ed, You could move to The Aspens at Twin Creeks in Allen, TX. A little warmer than Alaska perhaps, but they do have a very nice ham station for their residents. 73, Dwayne WV5I From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Mon Oct 12 13:33:48 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:33:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: <527895ea-a40b-4c98-a717-b376a6ad76cd@typeapp.com> References: <561BCDB4.3030206@telepostinc.com> <012101d1050d$352e1020$9f8a3060$@carolinaheli.com> <527895ea-a40b-4c98-a717-b376a6ad76cd@typeapp.com> Message-ID: <013801d10514$28e92d70$7abb8850$@carolinaheli.com> So you're saying that LP-Bridge isn't RFC compliant.. ok.. J Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. From: Tom [mailto:tomb18 at videotron.ca] Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:52 PM To: Jerry Moore Cc: Robin Moseley; 'Larry Phipps'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge Hi I think a more accurate description of what is missing in lpbridge is the inability to use the DS and IC commands on the k3,kx3 and k3s. These commands require an 8 bit character set, hence Unicode. The lack of support for the ic and ds commands prevents decoding of k3 status for many functions. In addition, almost all menu items can't be decoded. 73 Tom va2fsq.com Sent from BlueMail On Oct 12, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Jerry Moore wrote: +1 on HRD support in LP-Bridge Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robin Moseley Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:15 PM To: Larry Phipps; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge Hi Larry, Please let me know when Unicode is supported as I get asked quite often by K3 users that use HRD and were using LP-Bridge to run PTT lines with WSJT Robin G1MHU _____ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com _____ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From RSoifer1 at aol.com Mon Oct 12 13:35:08 2015 From: RSoifer1 at aol.com (RSoifer1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:35:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and PX3 firmware Message-ID: <13c12.72cef523.434d494c@aol.com> I recently MCU 1.25 in my PX3, and agree with others that the fixed tune mode makes the PX3 considerably more helpful. I also installed MCU 2.34 in the KX3, turned on the New QSK mode, and I must say that I can't tell the difference. Am I missing something? 73 Ray W2RS From pauls at elecraft.com Mon Oct 12 13:38:25 2015 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 10:38:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Guidance Please: XG3 Signal Source Sending CW String In-Reply-To: <002401d103ca$51c88d30$f559a790$@k8nd.com> References: <001101d103b2$204b68d0$60e23a70$@k8nd.com> <002401d103ca$51c88d30$f559a790$@k8nd.com> Message-ID: <1444671505147-7608991.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Jeff, You only need to send the "PF,01,01" one time. That command is used to set the programmable function of the PF 1 key. So if you want to have the PF1 key go back to a sweep function, use PF,01,00; Also, you can simply set the WPM one time using the WP,nn; command. Unfortunately the XG3 hasn't enough non-volatile memory for another CW memory. Kind regards, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Guidance-Please-XG3-Signal-Source-Sending-CW-String-tp7608905p7608991.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From georgek5kg at aol.com Mon Oct 12 13:43:24 2015 From: georgek5kg at aol.com (George K5KG) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:43:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living In-Reply-To: <561BEEA8.3080900@ntin.net> References: <201510121632.t9CGWnFQ003941@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> <561BEEA8.3080900@ntin.net> Message-ID: <561BF13C.6070809@aol.com> Where do I sign up? On 10/12/2015 1:32 PM, Dwayne Rohmer wrote: > Ed, > > You could move to The Aspens at Twin Creeks in Allen, TX. A little > warmer than Alaska perhaps, but they do have a very nice ham station > for their residents. > > 73, Dwayne WV5I > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to georgek5kg at aol.com -- George Wagner, K5KG Sarasota, FL 941-400-1960 From w3zv at verizon.net Mon Oct 12 13:51:45 2015 From: w3zv at verizon.net (Ron W3ZV) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:51:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DVR used with contesting software (N1MM) Message-ID: <561BF331.9050006@verizon.net> Trying to figure out a problem. I spent this weekend on the PA QSO Party. I use the K3 DVR for CQ, MyCall and QSL, TU, QRZ messages, activated by N1MM macros. When things slowed down I used repeat CQ. I have a serial port activating PTT with canned messages and my footswitch for live mic. This is my first outing with this setup. I had previously used PTT via CAT control for canned messages. My problem is that when I activated my foot switch close to the time the repeat CQ was scheduled, I was interrupted by the CQ message when I began to talk. If the repeat CQ was not imminent, no problem I don't know if this was a PTT race condition, or a software problem with the contest logger. Any insight would be appreciated. Ron W3ZV From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Mon Oct 12 13:53:51 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:53:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro issue with AGC SLP Message-ID: <015701d10516$f5e26790$e1a736b0$@carolinaheli.com> I'm trying to set the AGC SLP in a macro. Currently using the K3 utility to test. I have Tech MD On Evoking the following line does NOT change the value for AGC SLP MN017;MP001;SWT14; I've used variations and cannot get the macro to change the setting. When I evoke a similar command for AGC TH it works MN017;MP008;SWT14; After evoking MN017;MP001;SWT14; Issuing the commands MP; returns ?; which per the book indicates the radio is busy. I'm sure it's something I'm doing wrong. Thanks in advance. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. From kk1w.jim at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 14:00:13 2015 From: kk1w.jim at gmail.com (KK1W) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:00:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S + SteppIR DB11 Connections In-Reply-To: <95103D68-A806-4E6A-BB9E-CC4B62852864@me.com> References: <95103D68-A806-4E6A-BB9E-CC4B62852864@me.com> Message-ID: <1444672813535-7608995.post@n2.nabble.com> Dave, Are you using USB or the com port for rig control? If you're using USB search the archives for my post from a few months back. I'm not in a place where I can easily find it for you, sorry. Essentially you use the SteppIR cable for the K3 and connect it to the com port dongle thing you received with your K3s. The Steppir controller has to be set for 38K baud. If you're using the com port (not USB) I think the Y cable is correct but I have not done it so it's just a guess. In this case the SteppIR baud rate should match what you're using for rig control. Jim/KK1W -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-SteppIR-DB11-Connections-tp7608986p7608995.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bw_dw at fastmail.fm Mon Oct 12 14:03:18 2015 From: bw_dw at fastmail.fm (dw) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:03:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Radio check? (signal generator) Message-ID: <1444672998.694803.408141417.22AC6D01@webmail.messagingengine.com> I used a simple 4-pin clock-oscillator running at 7.32mhz. Runs on 5VDC. Put it in a project box with LM7805 and a 12 inch wire as antenna. Can't use that as a signal generator for circuit tracing though without seriously limiting its output. But it makes for a simple little qrp xmitter. With nothing attached to K3 ANT1 input, lay the wire next to the K3. Picked up the signal S9. Hope you find the issue Jerry. -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Mon Oct 12 14:30:06 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:30:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Forum? In-Reply-To: References: <1444594610309-7608938.post@n2.nabble.com> <382BAF3B-92A3-47F5-B84A-485447A0BECC@mchsi.com> <561ACCFC.9000806@triotel.net> Message-ID: <561BFC2E.6060707@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Of course, anyone can set up a forum, but every time you do you divide the knowledge pool. On 10/11/2015 3:30 PM, jlbates4 wrote: > The reason I was wondering if we should have a decided Forum/Sub Forum for > this product line:) From jermo at carolinaheli.com Mon Oct 12 14:33:25 2015 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:33:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Radio check? (signal generator) In-Reply-To: <1444672998.694803.408141417.22AC6D01@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1444672998.694803.408141417.22AC6D01@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <016a01d1051c$7c5148a0$74f3d9e0$@carolinaheli.com> As it turns out the issues are mostly related to my antenna and operator error... e.g. not knowing how to correctly use the DSP/AGC/Filters/RF gain.etc.. Rig is working 100% PEBKAC error ;) Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of dw Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 2:03 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Radio check? (signal generator) I used a simple 4-pin clock-oscillator running at 7.32mhz. Runs on 5VDC. Put it in a project box with LM7805 and a 12 inch wire as antenna. Can't use that as a signal generator for circuit tracing though without seriously limiting its output. But it makes for a simple little qrp xmitter. With nothing attached to K3 ANT1 input, lay the wire next to the K3. Picked up the signal S9. Hope you find the issue Jerry. -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Mon Oct 12 14:39:52 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:39:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro issue with AGC SLP In-Reply-To: <015701d10516$f5e26790$e1a736b0$@carolinaheli.com> References: <015701d10516$f5e26790$e1a736b0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <017501d1051d$63afa160$2b0ee420$@carolinaheli.com> And just a heads up. Elecraft support considers macros to be "programming". As a software support engineer I can tell you that statement makes professional programmers drink to excess. If you want/need macro support we're asked to email k3support at elecraft.com so the request can be forwarded to their programmer and/or the reflector. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 1:54 PM To: k3support at elecraft.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro issue with AGC SLP I'm trying to set the AGC SLP in a macro. Currently using the K3 utility to test. I have Tech MD On Evoking the following line does NOT change the value for AGC SLP MN017;MP001;SWT14; I've used variations and cannot get the macro to change the setting. When I evoke a similar command for AGC TH it works MN017;MP008;SWT14; After evoking MN017;MP001;SWT14; Issuing the commands MP; returns ?; which per the book indicates the radio is busy. I'm sure it's something I'm doing wrong. Thanks in advance. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From ve7fyc at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 14:52:36 2015 From: ve7fyc at gmail.com (Scott CHARLES) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:52:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: K60XV and KI02 boards for K2 Message-ID: Hello everyone. I am looking for a K60XV and a KI02 boards for the K2. In kit or finished form is fine. Let me know VIA direct email. Thank you everyone. Scott Charles, VE7FYC ve7fyc (at) gmail.com From k2mk at comcast.net Mon Oct 12 14:56:03 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:56:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S + SteppIR DB11 Connections In-Reply-To: <95103D68-A806-4E6A-BB9E-CC4B62852864@me.com> References: <95103D68-A806-4E6A-BB9E-CC4B62852864@me.com> Message-ID: <1444676163832-7609001.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi David, The SteppIR controller needs to collect serial communication data. This information is available over the RS232 port or a K3 or the USB port of a K3S. The ACC port is not used for this purpose. If you are interested in RS232 communications you'll want to see the SteppIR application notes on their Y cable. From there you can get your thoughts together and ask further questions as required. I posted the document on the SteppIR Yahoo group in the files section. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SteppIR/files 73, Mike K2MK David Ahrendts wrote > Quick help on connecting the SteppIR SDA 100 controller to the K3S for > brand tracking, please. Is it the SteppIR Y-cable from the K3S ACC? Or > does one use the Elecraft KPAK3AUX cable set Y-connector? > > David Ahrendts, KC0XT, LA > > > > David Ahrendts > davidahrendts@ > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-SteppIR-DB11-Connections-tp7608986p7609001.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From NZ3O at arrl.net Mon Oct 12 15:04:35 2015 From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 15:04:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S ERR KEY in VFO-B Message-ID: <561C0443.1010009@arrl.net> I don't see any instructions in how to acknowledge and clear the ERR KEY message from VFO B. As a result, I'm walking through MENU and CONFIG using K3 Utility macros. This ERR KEY is happening during power on with no USB no KEY and no P3 connected, so I'd like to clear the message so I can spin through the settings menus faster.. Anyone? 73, Byron From fcady at montana.edu Mon Oct 12 15:27:06 2015 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:27:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S ERR KEY in VFO-B In-Reply-To: <561C0443.1010009@arrl.net> References: <561C0443.1010009@arrl.net> Message-ID: Hi Byron, >From the soon to be released K3S book: ======= 10.2.2 Extraneous Keying Signals PC applications, such as logging programs, can activate PTT and keying signals using the RS232 or USB RTS and DTR signals. However, initial setup of the rig's USB port by the PC may cause pulsed or continuous activation of the transmitter. You often hear this beep ? beep ? beep on the air. This can happen if the computer is turned on after the K3S or if the USB cable is connected after turning on the computer and K3S. Warning Your K3S can lock up in transmit mode under the following conditions: 1. CONFIG:PTT-KEY is set to dtr-rtS, which you might have when using a logging program to activate PTT or send CW, and 2. You are using the USB port to control the radio, and 3. You turn on the K3S before you turn on the computer, or 4. The radio is not plugged into an active USB port. The combination of PTT-KEY being dtr-rtS plus an inactive USB port generates PTT and keying signals on the DTR and RTS signal lines. Tap the XMIT switch to stop it from transmitting. You will see ERR PTT or ERR KEY in the VFO B area. Enter the DTR-RTS menu and tap 1 to display USB.SAFE and then turn the K3S off and then back on. There are several steps you can take to prevent this from happening: 1. If you do not need computer generated keying using DTR and RTS, set CONFIG:DTR-KEY to OFF-OFF. 2. If you do use DTR and RTS keying, enter the DTR-RTS menu and tap 1 to display USB.SAFE. This action sets DTR-RTS to OFF-OFF until the K3S verifies that the USB connection is active. This is described in more detail below. 3. Use a WinKeyer, such as K1EL?s WKUSB to send CW via the K3S KEY jack so that CONFIG:PTT-KEY can be set to OFF-OFF. USB Safe Mode "Safe" mode disables PTT or keying transmissions until the K3S receives a command via USB, such as a read of the rig's VFO frequency. To turn on safe mode, go into CONFIG:PTT-KEY and tap 1 to select USB.SAFE. Exit the menu and turn the radio off/on. Applications that use PTT-KEY but don't send commands will require UNSAFE mode (the default). In this case, be sure to turn the PC on before the K3S. PTT or Keying Transmit Override You can override transmitting due to a persistent PTT or keying signal applied by a PC. If the K3S transmits unexpectedly, tap the XMIT switch. This will exit transmit mode and show ERR KEY or ERR PTT on VFO B. Once the PTT or keying source as been removed, transmit will be re-enabled. You may have to shut the K3S down and wait until the PC boots up. Cheers and 73, Fred KE7X Author of: "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Portable Elecraft KX3 ? Going for the Summit with the KX3 and KX3-2M/4M" ?The Elecraft KX-Line ? The Complete Station? ?The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 ? the K-Line Dream Station? Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners ?The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters ? Assembling the KX3-Line Station? printed copy available at www.lulu.com and pdf from www.ke7x.com. ?The Elecraft K3S and P3 ? Getting the Most out from Your High Performance Station? coming very soon. Plus a book dedicated to the K3S upgrades for the K3 and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book are works in progress. ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Byron Peebles Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 1:04 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S ERR KEY in VFO-B I don't see any instructions in how to acknowledge and clear the ERR KEY message from VFO B. As a result, I'm walking through MENU and CONFIG using K3 Utility macros. This ERR KEY is happening during power on with no USB no KEY and no P3 connected, so I'd like to clear the message so I can spin through the settings menus faster.. Anyone? 73, Byron ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From n4zr at contesting.com Mon Oct 12 15:46:06 2015 From: n4zr at contesting.com (Pete Smith N4ZR) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 15:46:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DVR used with contesting software (N1MM) In-Reply-To: <561BF331.9050006@verizon.net> References: <561BF331.9050006@verizon.net> Message-ID: <561C0DFE.5040803@contesting.com> Ron, as far as I can tell this happens with manual PTT asserted any time during the repeat CQ pause or during transmission. ESC is the only way to interrupt the cycle or an actual canned transmission. This may not be fixable, depending on the specifics of the K3 CAT messaging (i.e. does it send a message when PTT is engaged by a footswitch?) 73, Pete N4ZR Download the new N1MM Logger+ at . Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at , now spotting RTTY activity worldwide. For spots, please use your favorite "retail" DX cluster. On 10/12/2015 1:51 PM, Ron W3ZV wrote: > Trying to figure out a problem. I spent this weekend on the PA QSO > Party. I use the K3 DVR for CQ, MyCall and QSL, TU, QRZ messages, > activated by N1MM macros. When things slowed down I used repeat CQ. I > have a serial port activating PTT with canned messages and my > footswitch for live mic. This is my first outing with this setup. I > had previously used PTT via CAT control for canned messages. > > My problem is that when I activated my foot switch close to the time > the repeat CQ was scheduled, I was interrupted by the CQ message when > I began to talk. If the repeat CQ was not imminent, no problem > > I don't know if this was a PTT race condition, or a software problem > with the contest logger. > > Any insight would be appreciated. > > Ron W3ZV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n4zr at contesting.com > From egan.dennis88 at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 15:53:46 2015 From: egan.dennis88 at gmail.com (Dennis) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 15:53:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <561C0FCA.3030602@gmail.com> Ed Having done this for several ops, the biggest issue I've faced is inadequate Internet at the Assisted Living, Out Patient Care, or Elder care. In 3 cases where I've been involved in setting one of these up so an op could work a special DXpedition, the Broadband provided for the residents did not have enough bandwidth to support the usage of a Remote Rig unit. If you paid for your own broadband service in the Assisted Living section, then, of course, you should have enough bandwidth to support this usage, but don't count on the community Internet service to be enough to use Remote Ham Radio. We did have one other case where the community Internet service blocked the ports we needed, and would not consider opening them for us (and we weren't able to find unblocked ports that we could use). In all these cases, we were able to use a "4G Wifi Hotspot" that gave us enough bandwidth, but that kind of thing is often missing once you get out of the big cities. Dennis W1UE Message: 16 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:32:48 -0800 From: Edward R Cole To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living Message-ID: <201510121632.t9CGWnFQ003941 at mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Starting a new topic but it was inspired from the 'K3/0 forum' topic. I'm still thriving from my Alaskan Ham Home, but know someday (hopefully distant) we will be moving to assisted living and I'm just musing a bit how I can continue operating. Most of those institutions to not permit ham antennas so I wondered how I could continue having a ham station. Of course a remote station is an obvious solution, but if on meager funds (which assisted living will absorb) how to do it? Our local ham club built a mobile emergency trailer a couple years back completely outfitted for multi-stations with dual voltage, propane heat, a couple bunks fold-out from one wall. Basic trailer was one of the toy-mover models which got wired, insulated and interior wall and ceiling added plus a nice exterior signage. That gave me an idea that maybe I could build my station into a similar trailer all interconnected for remote control using internet (maybe wifi). And the trailer parked long-term with power (or solar panels) and an attached crank-up tower either at a storage lot or friendly ham (who has room - like a farm or ranch). Thus all I would need is a computer and K3/0 in assisted living. Might even have a separate trailer mounted dish for eme? Ha! Any thoughts on this - any issues that one would face? 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com ------------------------------ From davidahrendts at me.com Mon Oct 12 16:23:54 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:23:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S + SteppIR DB11 Connections In-Reply-To: References: <95103D68-A806-4E6A-BB9E-CC4B62852864@me.com> <1444672813535-7608995.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <425E9E90-1502-4EA6-9CBE-4BA9452E32F8@me.com> For the group, here is the archive that Jim, KK1W, posted in August on connecting the K3S with a SteppIR controller if you?re using the K3S USB port for computer control: https://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft%40mailman.qth.net/msg183939.html Many thanks, Jim. Pretty cool to get an aeronautical mobile answer on this list from 36,000 feet. David A., KC0XT, LA > On Oct 12, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Jim Mullen wrote: > > Good luck, it wasn't too bad an issue. There's also a config menu setting but I don't remember the exact name. AUTOINF or something like that. It should be turned on. I'm 36,000' over AZ at the moment so can't really check. Left from Atlanta, maybe flew over your house an hour or so ago :) > > Jim > > On Oct 12, 2015 2:04 PM, "David Ahrendts" > wrote: > Thanks, JIm. Will noodle with it. A little brain dead after this project. :?) Best & 73s. > > David A., KC0XT > >> On Oct 12, 2015, at 11:00 AM, KK1W > wrote: >> >> Dave, >> >> Are you using USB or the com port for rig control? >> >> If you're using USB search the archives for my post from a few months back. >> I'm not in a place where I can easily find it for you, sorry. Essentially >> you use the SteppIR cable for the K3 and connect it to the com port dongle >> thing you received with your K3s. The Steppir controller has to be set for >> 38K baud. >> >> If you're using the com port (not USB) I think the Y cable is correct but I >> have not done it so it's just a guess. In this case the SteppIR baud rate >> should match what you're using for rig control. >> >> Jim/KK1W >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-SteppIR-DB11-Connections-tp7608986p7608995.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com . >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to davidahrendts at me.com > > > > > David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com > > > > David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From eric at elecraft.com Mon Oct 12 16:35:09 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:35:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro issue with AGC SLP In-Reply-To: <017501d1051d$63afa160$2b0ee420$@carolinaheli.com> References: <015701d10516$f5e26790$e1a736b0$@carolinaheli.com> <017501d1051d$63afa160$2b0ee420$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <561C197D.6070606@elecraft.com> Hi Jerry, I talked to Howard about this and he wasn't trying to say it was 'programming' in the usual software context. :-) Many of our customers refer to Macro's as 'programming' the radio, and he was just talking in that context :-) His request for an email to K3support (which goes immediately to him and several other support engineers) is normal since he isn't an expert in all K3 macros and sending to k3support helps us understand more exactly what you were trying to do, and it gets to all of our support staff -immediately- so the one most qualified to help can respond to you (or get back to Howard to help him respond). 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 10/12/2015 11:39 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > And just a heads up. Elecraft support considers macros to be "programming". > As a software support engineer I can tell you that statement makes > professional programmers drink to excess. > > If you want/need macro support we're asked to email k3support at elecraft.com > so the request can be forwarded to their programmer and/or the reflector. > > > Jerry Moore > CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists > AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 > http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB > An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and > Patriotic. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > ae4pb at carolinaheli.com > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 1:54 PM > To: k3support at elecraft.com > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro issue with AGC SLP > > I'm trying to set the AGC SLP in a macro. Currently using the K3 utility to > test. > > I have Tech MD On > > > > Evoking the following line does NOT change the value for AGC SLP > > MN017;MP001;SWT14; > > > > I've used variations and cannot get the macro to change the setting. > > When I evoke a similar command for AGC TH it works > > MN017;MP008;SWT14; > > > > > > After evoking MN017;MP001;SWT14; > > Issuing the commands MP; returns ?; which per the book indicates the radio > is busy. > > > > I'm sure it's something I'm doing wrong. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > Jerry Moore > > CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists > > AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 > > http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB > > An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and > Patriotic. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From w0wfh at yahoo.com Mon Oct 12 16:46:44 2015 From: w0wfh at yahoo.com (W0WFH Bill) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:46:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: K60XV and KI02 boards for K2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1887671968.2602160.1444682804812.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Watch this guy.? He tried to buy some K2 stuff from me through Paypal.? I neverdid get any money from him.Just don't ship him anything until you have you money in your hands. Bill Hudson, W0WFHLinn, Mo. From: Scott CHARLES To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 1:52 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: K60XV and KI02 boards for K2 Hello everyone. I am looking for a K60XV and a KI02 boards for the K2. In kit or finished form is fine. Let me know VIA direct email. Thank you everyone. Scott Charles, VE7FYC ve7fyc (at) gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w0wfh at yahoo.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Oct 12 16:47:21 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:47:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro issue with AGC SLP In-Reply-To: <561C197D.6070606@elecraft.com> References: <015701d10516$f5e26790$e1a736b0$@carolinaheli.com> <017501d1051d$63afa160$2b0ee420$@carolinaheli.com> <561C197D.6070606@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Jerry, Some K3S/K3 menu entries don't yet support the MP command (remote parameter GET/SET). See Table 5 of the Programmer's Reference. Since you asked, I'll add MP command support for the AGC SLP menu entry in the next firmware release. 73, Wayne N6KR >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> ae4pb at carolinaheli.com >> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 1:54 PM >> To: k3support at elecraft.com >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro issue with AGC SLP >> >> I'm trying to set the AGC SLP in a macro. Currently using the K3 utility to >> test. >> >> I have Tech MD On >> >> >> Evoking the following line does NOT change the value for AGC SLP >> >> MN017;MP001;SWT14; From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Mon Oct 12 16:50:08 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 16:50:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro issue with AGC SLP In-Reply-To: <561C197D.6070606@elecraft.com> References: <015701d10516$f5e26790$e1a736b0$@carolinaheli.com> <017501d1051d$63afa160$2b0ee420$@carolinaheli.com> <561C197D.6070606@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <01f801d1052f$96953e20$c3bfba60$@carolinaheli.com> Thanks Eric, It just hit me wrong. I'm a Systems Analyst ($4 title for a high level software support engineer), amateur programmer (.net C#, C), and scripter (MS DOS, DR DOS, Powershell, ASP, VB, Java). My expectation wasn't for support to be a subject matter expert on macros. I just had a basic question because I expect the issue is my syntax. No worries. I have a working macro that's clumsy and not very efficient. I found the DN command for that attribute works. I'd much prefer a direct entry value even if it had to be a hex value 0-F instead of a string of 'DN;'. Playing with the AGC seems to have fixed the concerns I have with the receiver sensitivity. At the defaults the rig works very well but was acting hard of hearing. What I've found is based on the antenna and QTH receive conditions there are settings on the AGC with the DSP engaged that pull the signals out VERY WELL. As expected the issues I'm experiencing are just learning curve type opportunities. I'm glad I purchased the K3 book and have the K3S book on pre-order. It's definitely worth having. Jer Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 4:35 PM To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; k3support at elecraft.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Macro issue with AGC SLP Hi Jerry, I talked to Howard about this and he wasn't trying to say it was 'programming' in the usual software context. :-) Many of our customers refer to Macro's as 'programming' the radio, and he was just talking in that context :-) His request for an email to K3support (which goes immediately to him and several other support engineers) is normal since he isn't an expert in all K3 macros and sending to k3support helps us understand more exactly what you were trying to do, and it gets to all of our support staff -immediately- so the one most qualified to help can respond to you (or get back to Howard to help him respond). 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 10/12/2015 11:39 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > And just a heads up. Elecraft support considers macros to be "programming". > As a software support engineer I can tell you that statement makes > professional programmers drink to excess. > > If you want/need macro support we're asked to email k3support at elecraft.com > so the request can be forwarded to their programmer and/or the reflector. > > > Jerry Moore > CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists > AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 > http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB > An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and > Patriotic. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > ae4pb at carolinaheli.com > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 1:54 PM > To: k3support at elecraft.com > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro issue with AGC SLP > > I'm trying to set the AGC SLP in a macro. Currently using the K3 utility to > test. > > I have Tech MD On > > > > Evoking the following line does NOT change the value for AGC SLP > > MN017;MP001;SWT14; > > > > I've used variations and cannot get the macro to change the setting. > > When I evoke a similar command for AGC TH it works > > MN017;MP008;SWT14; > > > > > > After evoking MN017;MP001;SWT14; > > Issuing the commands MP; returns ?; which per the book indicates the radio > is busy. > > > > I'm sure it's something I'm doing wrong. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > Jerry Moore > > CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists > > AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 > > http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB > > An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and > Patriotic. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Mon Oct 12 17:04:53 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:04:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro issue with AGC SLP In-Reply-To: References: <015701d10516$f5e26790$e1a736b0$@carolinaheli.com> <017501d1051d$63afa160$2b0ee420$@carolinaheli.com> <561C197D.6070606@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <020e01d10531$a5e500c0$f1af0240$@carolinaheli.com> Thanks Wayne, I don't expect to change the settings often, just once during a contest, and once outside of contesting. Knowing me I'll likely play with the settings a lot to better understand what they are doing. I'm hearing A LOT more now that I've started adjusting. Jer Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 4:47 PM To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Cc: k3support at elecraft.com; Elecraft Reflector; Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Macro issue with AGC SLP Jerry, Some K3S/K3 menu entries don't yet support the MP command (remote parameter GET/SET). See Table 5 of the Programmer's Reference. Since you asked, I'll add MP command support for the AGC SLP menu entry in the next firmware release. 73, Wayne N6KR >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> ae4pb at carolinaheli.com >> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 1:54 PM >> To: k3support at elecraft.com >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Macro issue with AGC SLP >> >> I'm trying to set the AGC SLP in a macro. Currently using the K3 >> utility to test. >> >> I have Tech MD On >> >> >> Evoking the following line does NOT change the value for AGC SLP >> >> MN017;MP001;SWT14; ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Oct 12 17:13:11 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:13:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S ERR KEY in VFO-B In-Reply-To: <561C0443.1010009@arrl.net> References: <561C0443.1010009@arrl.net> Message-ID: <561C2267.6020006@embarqmail.com> Byron, There can be several causes - Fred Cady has given you a list of possibilities, but I did not see two in that list. Do you have a microphone connected that might have a stuck PTT switch? Do you have anything plugged into the ACC connector? Unplug *everything* except the antenna and power cord - if the message is still present when power is turned on, contact K3support. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/12/2015 3:04 PM, Byron Peebles wrote: > I don't see any instructions in how to acknowledge and clear the ERR > KEY message from VFO B. > > As a result, I'm walking through MENU and CONFIG using K3 Utility macros. > > This ERR KEY is happening during power on with no USB no KEY and no P3 > connected, so I'd like to clear the message so I can spin through the > settings menus faster.. > From radioham at mchsi.com Mon Oct 12 19:24:15 2015 From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 18:24:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living In-Reply-To: <561C0FCA.3030602@gmail.com> References: <561C0FCA.3030602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9514DB56-381E-45E0-B76F-985D94DBBDD0@mchsi.com> So how much bandwidth is needed? The complex we are looking at has a 40 Meg fiber connection to their ISP. Would think that latency would be a bigger concern David K0LUM > On Oct 12, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Dennis wrote: > > Ed > > Having done this for several ops, the biggest issue I've faced is inadequate Internet at the Assisted > Living, Out Patient Care, or Elder care. In 3 cases where I've been involved in setting one of these > up so an op could work a special DXpedition, the Broadband provided for the residents did not > have enough bandwidth to support the usage of a Remote Rig unit. From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Oct 12 22:44:09 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:44:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] DVR used with contesting software (N1MM) In-Reply-To: <561BF331.9050006@verizon.net> Message-ID: I had a very similar experience working in the California QSO Party. I don't think the contest logger was part of the problem since I had problems with my USB hub and most of the time the logger couldn't see the K3. 73 Bill AE6JV On 10/12/15 at 10:51 AM, w3zv at verizon.net (Ron W3ZV) wrote: >Trying to figure out a problem. I spent this weekend on the PA >QSO Party. I use the K3 DVR for CQ, MyCall and QSL, TU, QRZ >messages, activated by N1MM macros. When things slowed down I >used repeat CQ. I have a serial port activating PTT with canned >messages and my footswitch for live mic. This is my first >outing with this setup. I had previously used PTT via CAT >control for canned messages. > >My problem is that when I activated my foot switch close to the >time the repeat CQ was scheduled, I was interrupted by the CQ >message when I began to talk. If the repeat CQ was not >imminent, no problem > >I don't know if this was a PTT race condition, or a software problem with the contest logger. > >Any insight would be appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Hardware Management Modes: | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | If there's a mode, there's a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | failure mode. - Jerry Leichter | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From ve7fyc at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 22:59:10 2015 From: ve7fyc at gmail.com (Scott CHARLES) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:59:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted: K60XV and KI02 boards for K2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello again Bill Do you know what the term "Slander" means? Out of the thousands of transactions I have made with paypal your is one of the first I could not complete. Your behavior towards me has been puzzling after I was nice to you. I tried a few time to get you the money but YOU chose not to complete the transaction. Now you have taken it upon yourself to slander me second time. PLEASE STOP slandering me. If this continues I will seek legal advice. Scott Hello everyone. I am looking for a K60XV and a KI02 boards for the K2. In kit or finished form is fine. Let me know VIA direct email. Thank you everyone. Scott Charles, VE7FYC ve7fyc (at) gmail.com From wes at triconet.org Mon Oct 12 23:07:17 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:07:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: <013801d10514$28e92d70$7abb8850$@carolinaheli.com> References: <561BCDB4.3030206@telepostinc.com> <012101d1050d$352e1020$9f8a3060$@carolinaheli.com> <527895ea-a40b-4c98-a717-b376a6ad76cd@typeapp.com> <013801d10514$28e92d70$7abb8850$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <561C7565.70105@triconet.org> But it allows my logging program(s) to read the K3 and K3S frequency and my SDR-IQ to track the K3s. And it's free. Why should I complain? On 10/12/2015 10:33 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > So you're saying that LP-Bridge isn't RFC compliant.. ok.. J > > > > Jerry Moore From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Oct 12 23:38:10 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 23:38:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: <561C7565.70105@triconet.org> References: <561BCDB4.3030206@telepostinc.com> <012101d1050d$352e1020$9f8a3060$@carolinaheli.com> <527895ea-a40b-4c98-a717-b376a6ad76cd@typeapp.com> <013801d10514$28e92d70$7abb8850$@carolinaheli.com> <561C7565.70105@triconet.org> Message-ID: <561C7CA2.5090307@embarqmail.com> I think LP-Bridge will work just fine with most ham applications, but currently, it will not work with HRD which uses Unicode. Larry is working to allow Unicode with LP-Bridge, but it is not there yet. As I understand it, this is not really a Windows 10 issue, it is an HRD issue. If you use HRD version 5, you will not encounter a problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/12/2015 11:07 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > But it allows my logging program(s) to read the K3 and K3S frequency > and my SDR-IQ to track the K3s. And it's free. > > Why should I complain? > > On 10/12/2015 10:33 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: >> So you're saying that LP-Bridge isn't RFC compliant.. ok.. J >> From k3ndm at comcast.net Tue Oct 13 01:37:12 2015 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 05:37:12 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: <561C7CA2.5090307@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, If all that is required is a port replicator, I'd suggest com0com. It works quite well over Windows 10 with HRD and all the other software that I use. It's free from Source Forge and a few other sources. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Don Wilhelm" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 10/12/2015 11:38:10 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge >I think LP-Bridge will work just fine with most ham applications, but >currently, it will not work with HRD which uses Unicode. >Larry is working to allow Unicode with LP-Bridge, but it is not there >yet. > >As I understand it, this is not really a Windows 10 issue, it is an HRD >issue. If you use HRD version 5, you will not encounter a problem. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 10/12/2015 11:07 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >>But it allows my logging program(s) to read the K3 and K3S frequency >>and my SDR-IQ to track the K3s. And it's free. >> >>Why should I complain? >> >> On 10/12/2015 10:33 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: >>>So you're saying that LP-Bridge isn't RFC compliant.. ok.. J >>> > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From w2lj at verizon.net Tue Oct 13 05:16:23 2015 From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry W2LJ) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 05:16:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC Sprint Tonight Message-ID: The October sprint is this coming Tuesday evening local time (October 13th, EDT - 8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT - 5:30-7:30PM), which translates as Wednesday, October 14th, 0030 to 0230Z in all cases. For all the "official" information, please go to: http://naqcc.info/sprint201510.html There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important information. Also, the N#A stations, celebrating the Anniversary event will be on the air, taking part in the sprint. Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and DX for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers (New!). A Certificate for top score in the GAIN antenna category. Prizes: Too many to list!! - check out the prizes page on our website. This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, straight key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but you must use QRP power levels to compete for awards. If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help you make your contacts. If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have 7100+ members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate, with your membership number on it, which is good for life. 72/73 de Larry W2LJ NAQCC #35 Come join us and have a real good time! 72/73 de Larry W2LJ From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Tue Oct 13 06:44:13 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 06:44:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living In-Reply-To: <561C0FCA.3030602@gmail.com> References: <561C0FCA.3030602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <561CE07D.9070608@nycap.rr.com> I have a bunch of ham friends that no longer have antennas (HOA, apartments, assisted living, etc.) and we communicate nearly every day using CQ100. CQ100 is a looks like , works like, licensed required, ham communications VOIP system. It does not need super fast Internet connection. If you can run a browser and watch YouTube - you can run CQ100. No QRM, QRN, or fade-outs. You also can send pictures (cartoons, scans, etc.) to those you are in QSO with. I use HF and CQ100 on a daily basis. It is for communications (nets, rag chewing, camaraderie, etc.) - and does a fine job. It is not for contesting. I even operate on one net in the northeast that starts out on 75 meters, then goes to CQ100 to include some folks down south that no longer have HF capabilities. Yeah I know - you don't like it because it isn't real radio. OK - then go back to your ceramic class and sing-alongs. For the rest of you, looking to enjoy ham radio when you no longer can have a real station: http://www.qsonet.com/index.html CQ100 is a subscription based system, and, for me, the cheapest ham fun I ever bought. I get nothing for speaking well about CQ100 - I just happen to believe in it and its potential. Bill W2BLC K-Line From tomb18 at videotron.ca Tue Oct 13 08:00:34 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 08:00:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5b14a564-ca9d-4da1-aa75-ad228f080664@typeapp.com> Hi Barry, No, com0com is a software null modem cable used to connect two pieces of software via a virtual port pair. It has no logic for operating a k3. The reason it works for you is that you are using Win4k3Suite, which has a built in router that performs k3 command routing. win4k3 has functionality that replaces lpbridge, and it uses com0com only as a connector. 73 Tom Sent from BlueMail On Oct 13, 2015, 1:39 AM, at 1:39 AM, Barry LaZar wrote: >Don, > If all that is required is a port replicator, I'd suggest com0com. >It works quite well over Windows 10 with HRD and all the other >software >that I use. It's free from Source Forge and a few other sources. > >73, >Barry >K3NDM > >------ Original Message ------ >From: "Don Wilhelm" >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Sent: 10/12/2015 11:38:10 PM >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge > >>I think LP-Bridge will work just fine with most ham applications, but >>currently, it will not work with HRD which uses Unicode. >>Larry is working to allow Unicode with LP-Bridge, but it is not there >>yet. >> >>As I understand it, this is not really a Windows 10 issue, it is an >HRD >>issue. If you use HRD version 5, you will not encounter a problem. >> >>73, >>Don W3FPR >> >>On 10/12/2015 11:07 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >>>But it allows my logging program(s) to read the K3 and K3S frequency >>>and my SDR-IQ to track the K3s. And it's free. >>> >>>Why should I complain? >>> >>> On 10/12/2015 10:33 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: >>>>So you're saying that LP-Bridge isn't RFC compliant.. ok.. J >>>> >> >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Tue Oct 13 10:23:35 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 10:23:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: <5b14a564-ca9d-4da1-aa75-ad228f080664@typeapp.com> References: <5b14a564-ca9d-4da1-aa75-ad228f080664@typeapp.com> Message-ID: <004601d105c2$c00e1e00$402a5a00$@carolinaheli.com> I'm thinking Win4k3Suite isn't supported anymore. All of the video links on their site are dead. Is anyone using Ham Radio Deluxe and is willing to share any customizations ? I'm about to delve into that and don't want to re-invent the wheel if someone has already done a bunch of it. Thanks in advance. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:01 AM To: Barry LaZar Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge Hi Barry, No, com0com is a software null modem cable used to connect two pieces of software via a virtual port pair. It has no logic for operating a k3. The reason it works for you is that you are using Win4k3Suite, which has a built in router that performs k3 command routing. win4k3 has functionality that replaces lpbridge, and it uses com0com only as a connector. 73 Tom Sent from BlueMail On Oct 13, 2015, 1:39 AM, at 1:39 AM, Barry LaZar wrote: >Don, > If all that is required is a port replicator, I'd suggest com0com. >It works quite well over Windows 10 with HRD and all the other >software that I use. It's free from Source Forge and a few other >sources. > >73, >Barry >K3NDM > >------ Original Message ------ >From: "Don Wilhelm" >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Sent: 10/12/2015 11:38:10 PM >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge > >>I think LP-Bridge will work just fine with most ham applications, but >>currently, it will not work with HRD which uses Unicode. >>Larry is working to allow Unicode with LP-Bridge, but it is not there >>yet. >> >>As I understand it, this is not really a Windows 10 issue, it is an >HRD >>issue. If you use HRD version 5, you will not encounter a problem. >> >>73, >>Don W3FPR >> >>On 10/12/2015 11:07 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >>>But it allows my logging program(s) to read the K3 and K3S frequency >>>and my SDR-IQ to track the K3s. And it's free. >>> >>>Why should I complain? >>> >>> On 10/12/2015 10:33 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: >>>>So you're saying that LP-Bridge isn't RFC compliant.. ok.. J >>>> >> >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>k3ndm at comcast.net > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >tomb18 at videotron.ca ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Oct 13 10:52:51 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 10:52:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: <004601d105c2$c00e1e00$402a5a00$@carolinaheli.com> References: <5b14a564-ca9d-4da1-aa75-ad228f080664@typeapp.com> <004601d105c2$c00e1e00$402a5a00$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <561D1AC3.5050309@embarqmail.com> Jer, Win4K3suite is alive and well, and unless something has happened in the last few days, Tom va2fsq is actively supporting it. In fact, that is the same Tom who answered about using comOcom earlier this morning. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/13/2015 10:23 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > I'm thinking Win4k3Suite isn't supported anymore. All of the video links on > their site are dead. > > Is anyone using Ham Radio Deluxe and is willing to share any customizations > ? I'm about to delve into that and don't want to re-invent the wheel if > someone has already done a bunch of it. > Thanks in advance. > > > Jerry Moore > CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists > AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 > http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB > An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and > Patriotic. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:01 AM > To: Barry LaZar > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge > > Hi Barry, > No, com0com is a software null modem cable used to connect two pieces of > software via a virtual port pair. It has no logic for operating a k3. The > reason it works for you is that you are using Win4k3Suite, which has a built > in router that performs k3 command routing. win4k3 has functionality that > replaces lpbridge, and it uses com0com only as a connector. > 73 Tom > > Sent from BlueMail > > > From crustacean at brig-elec.com Tue Oct 13 11:18:12 2015 From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 11:18:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Using fldigi with KX3 and KXPA100 Message-ID: <1444749492.2886.4.camel@arabica> I have a KX3 and a KXPA100, When I have the two connected as per the manual with the KXPA100 off, fldigi can connect to the KX3. As soon as I turn on the KXPA100 fldigi can no longer communicate with the KX3. How do I get fldigi to communicate to the KX3 with the KXPA100 powered up? It seems that this should be a lot easier than what I am making it. My setup is: A laptop running Linux mint KX3 KXPA100 fldigi v3.23.03 using Hamlib I can connect without any trouble with both the KX3 utility and the KXPA100 utility. I was under the impression that both units used different command sets and that the KXPA100 would forward anything it does not recognize on to the KX3. Incidentally, I did try powering on the amp, then connecting with the KX3 utility, then closing the KX3 utility and launching fldigi. It would be really helpful for my education on the digital modes to be able to see the frequency I am using on the waterfall display. John Pitz KD8CIV From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Tue Oct 13 11:28:57 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 11:28:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: <561D1AC3.5050309@embarqmail.com> References: <5b14a564-ca9d-4da1-aa75-ad228f080664@typeapp.com> <004601d105c2$c00e1e00$402a5a00$@carolinaheli.com> <561D1AC3.5050309@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <006c01d105cb$e22c5070$a684f150$@carolinaheli.com> Oops.. I just thought it was dead because all of the videos are dead links and the youtube channel appears to have been deleted. I currently own the Ham Radio Deluxe suite. I was looking at using the Win4k3 to replace the radio control part and use the rest of HRD. I'm wondering if it would be best to customize HRD or go with Win4k3? I'm still researching things. At this point I'm looking to modify the HRD radio control interface (it's highly modifiable) but it's really a daunting task. The interface is ok but too busy. I was hoping to hear from other hams how they use/modify HRD..etc.. I don't want to get buried too far in projects that keep me off the air but don't mind the occasional distraction. At the end of it all I may end up using Win4k3 if I am not able to get HRD to do what I want. I'm not sure how to properly leverage HRD as I seem to operate primarily in the logging software which includes the DX cluster. I see the Radio control screen as mainly a place to setup and store configurations per band/mode/situation(DX/contest..etc) than something to run full time. Maybe I'm missing something ? One thing I'm considering is to remote my rig to my shop. Then I could have a tower in the back yard without long feedlines (that contribute to signal loss). Slowly looking at that. The Raspberry Pi hardware looks perfect as the bridge platform. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:53 AM To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; 'Tom'; 'Barry LaZar' Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge Jer, Win4K3suite is alive and well, and unless something has happened in the last few days, Tom va2fsq is actively supporting it. In fact, that is the same Tom who answered about using comOcom earlier this morning. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/13/2015 10:23 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > I'm thinking Win4k3Suite isn't supported anymore. All of the video > links on their site are dead. > > Is anyone using Ham Radio Deluxe and is willing to share any > customizations ? I'm about to delve into that and don't want to > re-invent the wheel if someone has already done a bunch of it. > Thanks in advance. > > > Jerry Moore > CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists > AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 > http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB > An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, > and Patriotic. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Tom > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:01 AM > To: Barry LaZar > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge > > Hi Barry, > No, com0com is a software null modem cable used to connect two pieces > of software via a virtual port pair. It has no logic for operating a > k3. The reason it works for you is that you are using Win4k3Suite, > which has a built in router that performs k3 command routing. win4k3 > has functionality that replaces lpbridge, and it uses com0com only as a connector. > 73 Tom > > Sent from BlueMail > > > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Tue Oct 13 11:53:28 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 11:53:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: <006c01d105cb$e22c5070$a684f150$@carolinaheli.com> References: <5b14a564-ca9d-4da1-aa75-ad228f080664@typeapp.com> <004601d105c2$c00e1e00$402a5a00$@carolinaheli.com> <561D1AC3.5050309@embarqmail.com> <006c01d105cb$e22c5070$a684f150$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <7a73d0d2-5f3d-49b9-ba7f-0461fe292759@typeapp.com> Win4k3 is alive and well.... I had to remove my account from YouTube since it was hijacked. There will be new videos soon. Tom va2fsq.com Sent from BlueMail On Oct 13, 2015, 11:30 AM, at 11:30 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: >Oops.. I just thought it was dead because all of the videos are dead >links >and the youtube channel appears to have been deleted. > > >I currently own the Ham Radio Deluxe suite. I was looking at using the >Win4k3 to replace the radio control part and use the rest of HRD. I'm >wondering if it would be best to customize HRD or go with Win4k3? I'm >still >researching things. At this point I'm looking to modify the HRD radio >control interface (it's highly modifiable) but it's really a daunting >task. >The interface is ok but too busy. I was hoping to hear from other hams >how >they use/modify HRD..etc.. > >I don't want to get buried too far in projects that keep me off the air >but >don't mind the occasional distraction. > >At the end of it all I may end up using Win4k3 if I am not able to get >HRD >to do what I want. I'm not sure how to properly leverage HRD as I seem >to >operate primarily in the logging software which includes the DX >cluster. I >see the Radio control screen as mainly a place to setup and store >configurations per band/mode/situation(DX/contest..etc) than something >to >run full time. Maybe I'm missing something ? > >One thing I'm considering is to remote my rig to my shop. Then I could >have >a tower in the back yard without long feedlines (that contribute to >signal >loss). Slowly looking at that. The Raspberry Pi hardware looks perfect >as >the bridge platform. > > > >Jerry Moore >CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists >AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 >http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB >An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, >and >Patriotic. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:53 AM >To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; 'Tom'; 'Barry LaZar' >Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge > >Jer, > >Win4K3suite is alive and well, and unless something has happened in the >last >few days, Tom va2fsq is actively supporting it. >In fact, that is the same Tom who answered about using comOcom earlier >this >morning. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 10/13/2015 10:23 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: >> I'm thinking Win4k3Suite isn't supported anymore. All of the video >> links on their site are dead. >> >> Is anyone using Ham Radio Deluxe and is willing to share any >> customizations ? I'm about to delve into that and don't want to >> re-invent the wheel if someone has already done a bunch of it. >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> Jerry Moore >> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists >> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 >> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB >> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, >> and Patriotic. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > >> Tom >> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:01 AM >> To: Barry LaZar >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge >> >> Hi Barry, >> No, com0com is a software null modem cable used to connect two pieces > >> of software via a virtual port pair. It has no logic for operating a >> k3. The reason it works for you is that you are using Win4k3Suite, >> which has a built in router that performs k3 command routing. win4k3 >> has functionality that replaces lpbridge, and it uses com0com only as >a >connector. >> 73 Tom >> >> Sent from BlueMail >> >> >> From jbollit at outlook.com Tue Oct 13 12:33:38 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (Jim Bolit) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:33:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living Message-ID: I have worked 10 states............... Rake -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Date: 10/13/2015 3:45 AM (GMT-08:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living I have a bunch of ham friends that no longer have antennas (HOA, apartments, assisted living, etc.) and we communicate nearly every day using CQ100. CQ100 is a looks like , works like, licensed required, ham communications VOIP system. It does not need super fast Internet connection. If you can run a browser and watch YouTube - you can run CQ100. No QRM, QRN, or fade-outs. You also can send pictures (cartoons, scans, etc.) to those you are in QSO with. I use HF and CQ100 on a daily basis. It is for communications (nets, rag chewing, camaraderie, etc.) - and does a fine job. It is not for contesting. I even operate on one net in the northeast that starts out on 75 meters, then goes to CQ100 to include some folks down south that no longer have HF capabilities. Yeah I know - you don't like it because it isn't real radio. OK - then go back to your ceramic class and sing-alongs. For the rest of you, looking to enjoy ham radio when you no longer can have a real station: http://www.qsonet.com/index.html CQ100 is a subscription based system, and, for me, the cheapest ham fun I ever bought. I get nothing for speaking well about CQ100 - I just happen to believe in it and its potential. Bill W2BLC K-Line ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From w0fm at swbell.net Tue Oct 13 12:35:43 2015 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 11:35:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files from K3 Utility Message-ID: <004001d105d5$35186860$9f493920$@net> I have a recent configuration file from my former K3 (#474) saved in my K3 Utility. I was hoping to print out that file and use it as a guide to setting up my new K3S, knowing better than to simply load (restore) the old K3 configuration file into the new K3S radio. Fred, KE7X, points out in his fine book that, at the time of the book's first printing, no means were available in K3 Utility to print out the configuration files. Fred was kind enough to note in the book that Ham Radio Deluxe has a way of converting the configuration file to a text file. I used HRD to do exactly that. It was quick and easy, but I could not find a way to save the text file or to print it out. I also tried a print screen, which failed. I was wondering if, since Fred's comment was published, someone else realized a need for this and has come up with a way to copy old configuration files for future reference. Has anyone come up with a way to copy a K3 Utility Configuration file to text that I can print out? Ideally, I would like to see the K3 Utility program allow me to save/print ALL the radio's current menu settings for comparison to the published defaults. 73, Terry W0FM St. Louis From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Oct 13 12:46:23 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 08:46:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living Message-ID: <201510131646.t9DGkNOQ024683@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Thanks everyone for great comments! Dennis, Certainly that could be an issue. Recently read of some hams using wifi gear for point-point ham connection so if a suitable antenna could be used (like a patch on a window facing your remote site) for trailerized remote that is only a few miles away (up to 20?) that might work (one could use a high-gain directional antenna at the remote). Not sure how bad latency is for these remote operations (how does the phone company counter it?). Personally I am acquainted with latency using full duplex satellite operation where you hear your transmission being repeated on the downlink. That drives some guys crazy but with time you can mentally filter it (or turn down the volume while you speak or send CW). I guess the bigger problem would be tuning and control latency. Well, this has been a look into the future (20-years, I hope). Most residency in assisted living is only 1-2 years before the big-sk! My mom went into one in 2012 and still doing OK at approaching 93. This has given me some up-close and personal exposure to the life-style (don't forget Bingo!). My wife turns 73 this month so we are lagging behind and still comfortable at home. Much will depend on my macular degeneration progress (so far I do not notice it -but the ophthalmologist see it). I still making my sm kits! I could see moving the ham shack into one of the toy-mover trailers and be able to go on the road with it. A fold-over 30-foot tower attached and StepIR yagi + some VHF/mw stuff (just for fun!). A couple folding bunks in the back and a camp stove and fridge. FD on wheels! Might take some selling to get my wife to buy into that! Class-A motorhome is more here style! Compromise might be a class-B/C with 4-door towed "radio" jeep! end-of-topic - thanks all! Ed From: Dennis To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living Message-ID: <561C0FCA.3030602 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Ed Having done this for several ops, the biggest issue I've faced is inadequate Internet at the Assisted Living, Out Patient Care, or Elder care. In 3 cases where I've been involved in setting one of these up so an op could work a special DXpedition, the Broadband provided for the residents did not have enough bandwidth to support the usage of a Remote Rig unit. If you paid for your own broadband service in the Assisted Living section, then, of course, you should have enough bandwidth to support this usage, but don't count on the community Internet service to be enough to use Remote Ham Radio. We did have one other case where the community Internet service blocked the ports we needed, and would not consider opening them for us (and we weren't able to find unblocked ports that we could use). In all these cases, we were able to use a "4G Wifi Hotspot" that gave us enough bandwidth, but that kind of thing is often missing once you get out of the big cities. Dennis W1UE 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Oct 13 13:15:11 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 10:15:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files from K3 Utility In-Reply-To: <004001d105d5$35186860$9f493920$@net> References: <004001d105d5$35186860$9f493920$@net> Message-ID: <29F5FEEE-758A-4E6D-B870-27353AD44516@wunderwood.org> You should not use a configuration file from one KX3 with a different KX3. It contains calibration data that is specific to one rig. It might not even be possible to reuse it. I think the configuration file encodes the serial number of the KX3 it belongs to. It sure would be nice to dump and load the non-calibration settings, but nobody has written that app yet. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Oct 13, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Terry Schieler wrote: > > I have a recent configuration file from my former K3 (#474) saved in my K3 Utility. I was hoping to print out that file and use it as a guide to setting up my new K3S, knowing better than to simply load (restore) the old K3 configuration file into the new K3S radio. Fred, KE7X, points out in his fine book that, at the time of the book's first printing, no means were available in K3 Utility to print out the configuration files. Fred was kind enough to note in the book that Ham Radio Deluxe has a way of converting the configuration file to a text file. I used HRD to do exactly that. It was quick and easy, but I could not find a way to save the text file or to print it out. I also tried a print screen, which failed. > > I was wondering if, since Fred's comment was published, someone else realized a need for this and has come up with a way to copy old configuration files for future reference. Has anyone come up with a way to copy a K3 Utility Configuration file to text that I can print out? Ideally, I would like to see the K3 Utility program allow me to save/print ALL the radio's current menu settings for comparison to the published defaults. > > > 73, > > Terry W0FM > St. Louis > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Oct 13 13:19:18 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 10:19:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files from K3 Utility In-Reply-To: <29F5FEEE-758A-4E6D-B870-27353AD44516@wunderwood.org> References: <004001d105d5$35186860$9f493920$@net> <29F5FEEE-758A-4E6D-B870-27353AD44516@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <065F24F5-ACC7-4997-BBD4-C23081604CC9@wunderwood.org> Oops, I answered about the KX3, not the K3. I believe the same is true for both radios, but I only know that for the KX3. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Oct 13, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: > > You should not use a configuration file from one KX3 with a different KX3. It contains calibration data that is specific to one rig. > > It might not even be possible to reuse it. I think the configuration file encodes the serial number of the KX3 it belongs to. > > It sure would be nice to dump and load the non-calibration settings, but nobody has written that app yet. > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Oct 13, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Terry Schieler wrote: >> >> I have a recent configuration file from my former K3 (#474) saved in my K3 Utility. I was hoping to print out that file and use it as a guide to setting up my new K3S, knowing better than to simply load (restore) the old K3 configuration file into the new K3S radio. Fred, KE7X, points out in his fine book that, at the time of the book's first printing, no means were available in K3 Utility to print out the configuration files. Fred was kind enough to note in the book that Ham Radio Deluxe has a way of converting the configuration file to a text file. I used HRD to do exactly that. It was quick and easy, but I could not find a way to save the text file or to print it out. I also tried a print screen, which failed. >> >> I was wondering if, since Fred's comment was published, someone else realized a need for this and has come up with a way to copy old configuration files for future reference. Has anyone come up with a way to copy a K3 Utility Configuration file to text that I can print out? Ideally, I would like to see the K3 Utility program allow me to save/print ALL the radio's current menu settings for comparison to the published defaults. >> >> >> 73, >> >> Terry W0FM >> St. Louis >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From luciano_nachif at yahoo.com Tue Oct 13 13:28:34 2015 From: luciano_nachif at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?bHVjaWFub19uYWNoaWZAeWFob28uY29t?=) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:28:34 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?KX-3_Fuse_Holder?= Message-ID: <139277.94182.bm@smtp223.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I do appreciate your comments regarding which fuse holder I shall buy to install on my KX-3 power leads. 73, Luciano Gasparini PT9KK Sent from my HTC From efortner at ctc.net Tue Oct 13 13:29:27 2015 From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:29:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files from K3 Utility In-Reply-To: <004001d105d5$35186860$9f493920$@net> References: <004001d105d5$35186860$9f493920$@net> Message-ID: <00df01d105dc$b6c3bc00$244b3400$@net> I have also struggled trying to print the config files and it does not work on print screen with my computer either. I would also like to be able to print all the settings for my new radio. Earl, K4KAY -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Terry Schieler Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 12:36 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files from K3 Utility I have a recent configuration file from my former K3 (#474) saved in my K3 Utility. I was hoping to print out that file and use it as a guide to setting up my new K3S, knowing better than to simply load (restore) the old K3 configuration file into the new K3S radio. Fred, KE7X, points out in his fine book that, at the time of the book's first printing, no means were available in K3 Utility to print out the configuration files. Fred was kind enough to note in the book that Ham Radio Deluxe has a way of converting the configuration file to a text file. I used HRD to do exactly that. It was quick and easy, but I could not find a way to save the text file or to print it out. I also tried a print screen, which failed. I was wondering if, since Fred's comment was published, someone else realized a need for this and has come up with a way to copy old configuration files for future reference. Has anyone come up with a way to copy a K3 Utility Configuration file to text that I can print out? Ideally, I would like to see the K3 Utility program allow me to save/print ALL the radio's current menu settings for comparison to the published defaults. 73, Terry W0FM St. Louis ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to efortner at ctc.net From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Tue Oct 13 13:56:42 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:56:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files from K3 Utility In-Reply-To: <00df01d105dc$b6c3bc00$244b3400$@net> References: <00df01d105dc$b6c3bc00$244b3400$@net> Message-ID: <561D45DA.3020508@nycap.rr.com> I gave up on this a long time ago. And, I thought it should have been very simple - hahaha. I keep a spiral notebook (1" thick 8"x11") for notes and commentary regarding settings and changes made to my K-Line system. Those notes have saved my bacon several times. I do all my configuration changes by hand from the front panel. I decided to do that when I caught K3EZ making unwanted changes - changes I had not made. It would be nice if there was a replacement for K3EZ. I am sure it would sell well - if it worked properly. Bill W2BLC K3-Line From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Tue Oct 13 14:15:33 2015 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 15:15:33 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files from K3 Utility In-Reply-To: <561D45DA.3020508@nycap.rr.com> References: <00df01d105dc$b6c3bc00$244b3400$@net> <561D45DA.3020508@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <561D4A45.8060005@horizon.co.fk> I just printed the Menu and Config pages of the current manual and went through my K3 settings manually noting them against each item. Didn't take long but it would be very convenient to be able to just capture them from the saved config. Years ago there was a little app which scrolled through the K2 menus and captured all the current settings ready for printing. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 13/10/2015 14:56, Bill wrote: > I gave up on this a long time ago. And, I thought it should have been > very simple - hahaha. > > I keep a spiral notebook (1" thick 8"x11") for notes and commentary > regarding settings and changes made to my K-Line system. Those notes > have saved my bacon several times. > > I do all my configuration changes by hand from the front panel. I > decided to do that when I caught K3EZ making unwanted changes - changes > I had not made. > > It would be nice if there was a replacement for K3EZ. I am sure it would > sell well - if it worked properly. > > Bill W2BLC K3-Line From eric at elecraft.com Tue Oct 13 14:18:51 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 11:18:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] test - please ignore Message-ID: <561D4B0B.50805@elecraft.com> Test - Please Ignore. No reply needed. Eric /elecraft.com/ From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 14:21:57 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 11:21:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files from K3 Utility In-Reply-To: <561D4A45.8060005@horizon.co.fk> References: <00df01d105dc$b6c3bc00$244b3400$@net> <561D45DA.3020508@nycap.rr.com> <561D4A45.8060005@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: A further thought is that as things in the radios, amps, tuners age (caps, crystals) it could be useful to compare the values saved over the years to avoid impending (sudden) failure. Not knocking Elecraft, but stuff happens. 73, Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > On Oct 13, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Mike Harris wrote: > > I just printed the Menu and Config pages of the current manual and went through my K3 settings manually noting them against each item. Didn't take long but it would be very convenient to be able to just capture them from the saved config. Years ago there was a little app which scrolled through the K2 menus and captured all the current settings ready for printing. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > >> On 13/10/2015 14:56, Bill wrote: >> I gave up on this a long time ago. And, I thought it should have been >> very simple - hahaha. >> >> I keep a spiral notebook (1" thick 8"x11") for notes and commentary >> regarding settings and changes made to my K-Line system. Those notes >> have saved my bacon several times. >> >> I do all my configuration changes by hand from the front panel. I >> decided to do that when I caught K3EZ making unwanted changes - changes >> I had not made. >> >> It would be nice if there was a replacement for K3EZ. I am sure it would >> sell well - if it worked properly. >> >> Bill W2BLC K3-Line > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Tue Oct 13 14:57:37 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:57:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files from K3 Utility In-Reply-To: References: <00df01d105dc$b6c3bc00$244b3400$@net> <561D45DA.3020508@nycap.rr.com> <561D4A45.8060005@horizon.co.fk> Message-ID: <00f701d105e9$0a6c8ce0$1f45a6a0$@carolinaheli.com> If all menus and settings are available it should be possible to get all settings. When I get time I may look at it and see if I can come up with a simple enough solution. Anecdotally it should just be a matter of scrolling through all menu items, poll for the setting of the menu item, record same, and move on. I'm sure there's a bit more to it such as mapping specific menu items/sub items and using the correct method for those settings.... I could be wrong but in my head it seems trivial to do it but a bulk of effort for the detail if that makes sense.. stated differently; it's not hard, just a lot of work to setup once. Let me think on it. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Bates Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 2:22 PM To: Mike Harris Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files from K3 Utility A further thought is that as things in the radios, amps, tuners age (caps, crystals) it could be useful to compare the values saved over the years to avoid impending (sudden) failure. Not knocking Elecraft, but stuff happens. 73, Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > On Oct 13, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Mike Harris wrote: > > I just printed the Menu and Config pages of the current manual and went through my K3 settings manually noting them against each item. Didn't take long but it would be very convenient to be able to just capture them from the saved config. Years ago there was a little app which scrolled through the K2 menus and captured all the current settings ready for printing. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > >> On 13/10/2015 14:56, Bill wrote: >> I gave up on this a long time ago. And, I thought it should have been >> very simple - hahaha. >> >> I keep a spiral notebook (1" thick 8"x11") for notes and commentary >> regarding settings and changes made to my K-Line system. Those notes >> have saved my bacon several times. >> >> I do all my configuration changes by hand from the front panel. I >> decided to do that when I caught K3EZ making unwanted changes - >> changes I had not made. >> >> It would be nice if there was a replacement for K3EZ. I am sure it >> would sell well - if it worked properly. >> >> Bill W2BLC K3-Line > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > happymoosephoto at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From w5xd at writelog.com Tue Oct 13 15:26:32 2015 From: w5xd at writelog.com (Wayne, W5XD) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:26:32 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] clifton laboratories Z10000 still available? Message-ID: <561D5AE8.8090709@writelog.com> I want to build a SoftRock panadapter for my K2, and understand from http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/k2_interface.htm its advisable to put an amplifier between the K2 IF tap and the SoftRock, and its their Z10000 recommended. But I don't get any answers to emails to the address on that page. Does anyone know how to get a Z10000 or equivalent for the K2? My apologies if everyone on this list has seen the answers before--I tried searching archives, but failed to anything on http://mailman.qth.net/ that enabled searching this list...other than clicking on every single posting in the archive...which I did not do...If you know how to search, tell me that, too. Thanks, Wayne, W5XD From pauls at elecraft.com Tue Oct 13 16:40:59 2015 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:40:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 firmware 1.35 BETA available, USB keyboard Message-ID: <1444768859215-7609038.post@n2.nabble.com> PX3 firmware version 1.35 beta is now available for download from the Elecraft website. Follow the link on how to download and install beta firmware to your PX3 -> HERE It is also recommended that you download and install the latest PX3 Utility. The new Utility allows 'Save Configuration' to back up the USB keyboard macros and text messages. While we work on updating the PX3 manual, please refer to "PX3_Keyboard_QuickStart.pdf" which is included in the beta zip archive, for more information on setting up and using a USB keyboard with the PX3. 1.35 release notes: MCU 1.35 / 10/12/2015 * Added USB keyboard support (see PX3_Keyboard_QuickStart.pdf for usage), most keyboards are supported except Bluetooth, Apple and those with mice. * Added separate font for Text Decode, which can be different than system font. * Three lines of RX text, 2 lines of TX text. * Added 7x11 font which was introduced on the P3 * Added serial commands #USB, #BCN,#BCI, #BCL, #TXM, #TXH to support keyboard. * Added ability CR and LF in text messages ?\r? for CR, ?\n? for LF * Fixes wrong direction spectrum when VFO A is tuned on 2 meters. * Fixes default values for USB keyboard values when upgrading. * Fixes ?smearing? U-shaped VFO A cursor when fixed tune is enabled. * Fixes bug with some older units that could have prevented USB from operating. * Fixes Ctrl-Alt-R keyboard replay, removes garbage characters. * Fixes missing characters entered with key when no keyboard attached. * Fixes a problem with RefLvl being too high after upgrading firmware. * Fixes an issue with display freezing when RIT/XIT was adjusted on KX3 * Fixes displayed frequency not updating when RIT was turned off. * Limits waterfall size when text display is active, so menus are displayed correctly. * OSB amplitude and phase serial commands added. Kind regards, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-firmware-1-35-BETA-available-USB-keyboard-tp7609038.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k3ndm at comcast.net Tue Oct 13 17:29:57 2015 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:29:57 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: <5b14a564-ca9d-4da1-aa75-ad228f080664@typeapp.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, I was aware of that. However, I inferred he wasn't doing what we do and all he needed was some simple interconnection. BTW, what's the next iteration? 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Tom" To: "Barry LaZar" Cc: w3fpr at embarqmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 10/13/2015 8:00:34 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge >Hi Barry, >No, com0com is a software null modem cable used to connect two pieces >of software via a virtual port pair. It has no logic for operating a >k3. The reason it works for you is that you are using Win4k3Suite, >which has a built in router that performs k3 command routing. win4k3 >has functionality that replaces lpbridge, and it uses com0com only as a >connector. >73 Tom > >Sent from BlueMail > > >On Oct 13, 2015, at 1:39 AM, Barry LaZar wrote: >>Don, >> If all that is required is a port replicator, I'd suggest com0com. >>It works quite well over Windows 10 with HRD and all the other software >>that I use. It's free from Source Forge and a few other sources. >> >>73, >>Barry >>K3NDM >> >>------ Original Message ------ >>From: "Don Wilhelm" >>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>Sent: 10/12/2015 11:38:10 PM >>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge >> >>>I think LP-Bridge will work just fine with most ham applications, but >>>currently, it will not work with HRD which uses Unicode. >>>Larry is working to allow Unicode with LP-Bridge, but it is not there >>>yet. >>> >>>As I understand it, this is not really a Windows 10 issue, it is an HRD >>>issue. If you use HRD version 5, you will not encounter a problem. >>> >>>73, >>>Don >>>W3FPR >>> >>>On 10/12/2015 11:07 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >>>>But it allows my logging program(s) to read the K3 and K3S frequency >>>>and my SDR-IQ to track the K3s. And it's free. >>>> >>>>Why should I complain? >>>> >>>> On 10/12/2015 10:33 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: >>>>So you're saying that LP-Bridge isn't RFC compliant.. ok.. J >>> >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>Elecraft mailing list >>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>Please help support this >>>email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 17:48:47 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick Bates) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:48:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files from K3 Utility References: <561D505B.7020007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <272A1A37-3ECE-4B5C-B573-D253E94C8683@gmail.com> This may help some... http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/ The version I have installed does NOT provide any print options, but printing screen shots would provide copious info... As it is no longer supported, I'm also SURE that it won't cover any menu/feature additions since the last issue. Closer is better than nothing. Rick nhc > >> On 10/13/2015 11:28 AM, Terry Schieler wrote: >> Hi Rick, >> >> I recall having a copy of K3EZ at one point, but deleted it after learning it was no longer supported and the K3 Utility became available. I never knew I might like to copy the configuration files in text so I could crawl into my lounger, with my K3 manual (and my favorite adult beverage) and casually compare my settings with the published defaults. Who would have thought that the radio would evolve to a state that there were so many menu settings and options? >> >> 73, >> >> Terry, W0FM > From pauls at elecraft.com Tue Oct 13 17:53:21 2015 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:53:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 firmware 1.35 BETA available, USB keyboard In-Reply-To: <1444768859215-7609038.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444768859215-7609038.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1444773201095-7609041.post@n2.nabble.com> Please direct all found bugs, questions to pauls at you know where .com . Thanks, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-firmware-1-35-BETA-available-USB-keyboard-tp7609038p7609041.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k3ndm at comcast.net Tue Oct 13 18:16:23 2015 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:16:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: <006c01d105cb$e22c5070$a684f150$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: Jerry, I have Win4K3 running with HRD and CW Skimmer, and some times, a few other things. I would argue that you do not want to give up the spectrum display with waterfall. Experience here has shown just how valuable it can be. Marrying up Win4K3 with HRD as I infer you are suggesting would disallow having the spectrum display. I have HRD as a logging program with the add window open as well as a connection to one of the DX clusters, but I have Win4k3's clublog window taking spots from Skimmer, also. I usually don't miss DX opportunities this way. However, while contesting, I will run N1MM+ as a substitute for HRD with a connection to my Winkeyer. The total lash up can be a little complex, but it is effective and smooth. As an aside: I think I would put up the tower and run transmission lines to the shack if the run was less than about 200 feet. Good, low loss cable is expensive these days, but it would represent a much lower level of effort than you are suggesting, and possibly cheaper in the end. I'm not sure to what you are referring about being busy. If it is Win4K3, you can run the interface window such that it has less showing, but the spectrum display stays as before; it's a setting. To demonstrate how well all of this works I now have DXCC, mixed, phone, and CW with an endorsement for 150 mixed, And, all of this was done with just a KX3, KXPA100, and a few wires in the back yard. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com To: w3fpr at embarqmail.com; ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; "'Tom'" ; "'Barry LaZar'" Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 10/13/2015 11:28:57 AM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge >Oops.. I just thought it was dead because all of the videos are dead >links >and the youtube channel appears to have been deleted. > > >I currently own the Ham Radio Deluxe suite. I was looking at using the >Win4k3 to replace the radio control part and use the rest of HRD. I'm >wondering if it would be best to customize HRD or go with Win4k3? I'm >still >researching things. At this point I'm looking to modify the HRD radio >control interface (it's highly modifiable) but it's really a daunting >task. >The interface is ok but too busy. I was hoping to hear from other hams >how >they use/modify HRD..etc.. > >I don't want to get buried too far in projects that keep me off the air >but >don't mind the occasional distraction. > >At the end of it all I may end up using Win4k3 if I am not able to get >HRD >to do what I want. I'm not sure how to properly leverage HRD as I seem >to >operate primarily in the logging software which includes the DX >cluster. I >see the Radio control screen as mainly a place to setup and store >configurations per band/mode/situation(DX/contest..etc) than something >to >run full time. Maybe I'm missing something ? > >One thing I'm considering is to remote my rig to my shop. Then I could >have >a tower in the back yard without long feedlines (that contribute to >signal >loss). Slowly looking at that. The Raspberry Pi hardware looks perfect >as >the bridge platform. > > > >Jerry Moore >CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists >AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 >http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB >An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, >and >Patriotic. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:53 AM >To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; 'Tom'; 'Barry LaZar' >Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge > >Jer, > >Win4K3suite is alive and well, and unless something has happened in the >last >few days, Tom va2fsq is actively supporting it. >In fact, that is the same Tom who answered about using comOcom earlier >this >morning. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 10/13/2015 10:23 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: >> I'm thinking Win4k3Suite isn't supported anymore. All of the video >> links on their site are dead. >> >> Is anyone using Ham Radio Deluxe and is willing to share any >> customizations ? I'm about to delve into that and don't want to >> re-invent the wheel if someone has already done a bunch of it. >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> Jerry Moore >> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists >> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 >> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB >> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, >> and Patriotic. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> Tom >> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:01 AM >> To: Barry LaZar >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge >> >> Hi Barry, >> No, com0com is a software null modem cable used to connect two pieces >> of software via a virtual port pair. It has no logic for operating a >> k3. The reason it works for you is that you are using Win4k3Suite, >> which has a built in router that performs k3 command routing. win4k3 >> has functionality that replaces lpbridge, and it uses com0com only as >>a >connector. >> 73 Tom >> >> Sent from BlueMail >> >> >> > > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 18:17:00 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 08:17:00 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge In-Reply-To: <006c01d105cb$e22c5070$a684f150$@carolinaheli.com> References: <5b14a564-ca9d-4da1-aa75-ad228f080664@typeapp.com> <004601d105c2$c00e1e00$402a5a00$@carolinaheli.com> <561D1AC3.5050309@embarqmail.com> <006c01d105cb$e22c5070$a684f150$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <561d82de.08da440a.5294f.fffff832@mx.google.com> Cannot for the life of me consider leaving DX Labs Suite. It just works, k3 control, logging, cluster, propogation and so forth. Well supported and I like free. No offence to those who supply/sell/support other platforms. Choice in the market is great. Back to Dx-Ing on the k-line Gary -----Original Message----- From: "ae4pb at carolinaheli.com" Sent: ?14/?10/?2015 1:31 AM To: "w3fpr at embarqmail.com" ; "ae4pb at carolinaheli.com" ; "'Tom'" ; "'Barry LaZar'" Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge Oops.. I just thought it was dead because all of the videos are dead links and the youtube channel appears to have been deleted. I currently own the Ham Radio Deluxe suite. I was looking at using the Win4k3 to replace the radio control part and use the rest of HRD. I'm wondering if it would be best to customize HRD or go with Win4k3? I'm still researching things. At this point I'm looking to modify the HRD radio control interface (it's highly modifiable) but it's really a daunting task. The interface is ok but too busy. I was hoping to hear from other hams how they use/modify HRD..etc.. I don't want to get buried too far in projects that keep me off the air but don't mind the occasional distraction. At the end of it all I may end up using Win4k3 if I am not able to get HRD to do what I want. I'm not sure how to properly leverage HRD as I seem to operate primarily in the logging software which includes the DX cluster. I see the Radio control screen as mainly a place to setup and store configurations per band/mode/situation(DX/contest..etc) than something to run full time. Maybe I'm missing something ? One thing I'm considering is to remote my rig to my shop. Then I could have a tower in the back yard without long feedlines (that contribute to signal loss). Slowly looking at that. The Raspberry Pi hardware looks perfect as the bridge platform. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:53 AM To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; 'Tom'; 'Barry LaZar' Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge Jer, Win4K3suite is alive and well, and unless something has happened in the last few days, Tom va2fsq is actively supporting it. In fact, that is the same Tom who answered about using comOcom earlier this morning. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/13/2015 10:23 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > I'm thinking Win4k3Suite isn't supported anymore. All of the video > links on their site are dead. > > Is anyone using Ham Radio Deluxe and is willing to share any > customizations ? I'm about to delve into that and don't want to > re-invent the wheel if someone has already done a bunch of it. > Thanks in advance. > > > Jerry Moore > CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists > AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 > http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB > An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, > and Patriotic. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Tom > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:01 AM > To: Barry LaZar > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 10 and LP-Bridge > > Hi Barry, > No, com0com is a software null modem cable used to connect two pieces > of software via a virtual port pair. It has no logic for operating a > k3. The reason it works for you is that you are using Win4k3Suite, > which has a built in router that performs k3 command routing. win4k3 > has functionality that replaces lpbridge, and it uses com0com only as a connector. > 73 Tom > > Sent from BlueMail > > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From NZ3O at arrl.net Tue Oct 13 18:18:44 2015 From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:18:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files from K3 Utility In-Reply-To: <004001d105d5$35186860$9f493920$@net> References: <004001d105d5$35186860$9f493920$@net> Message-ID: <561D8344.30104@arrl.net> I had this desire this weekend, too. On 10/13/2015 12:35 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: > I have a recent configuration file from my former K3 (#474) saved in my K3 Utility. I was hoping to print out that file and use it as a guide to setting up my new K3S, knowing better than to simply load (restore) the old K3 configuration file into the new K3S radio. Fred, KE7X, points out in his fine book that, at the time of the book's first printing, no means were available in K3 Utility to print out the configuration files. Fred was kind enough to note in the book that Ham Radio Deluxe has a way of converting the configuration file to a text file. I used HRD to do exactly that. It was quick and easy, but I could not find a way to save the text file or to print it out. I also tried a print screen, which failed. > > I was wondering if, since Fred's comment was published, someone else realized a need for this and has come up with a way to copy old configuration files for future reference. Has anyone come up with a way to copy a K3 Utility Configuration file to text that I can print out? Ideally, I would like to see the K3 Utility program allow me to save/print ALL the radio's current menu settings for comparison to the published defaults. > > > 73, > > Terry W0FM > St. Louis > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nz3o at arrl.net > . > From crustacean at brig-elec.com Tue Oct 13 18:33:40 2015 From: crustacean at brig-elec.com (John Pitz) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:33:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Using fldigi with KX3 and KXPA100 In-Reply-To: <1444749492.2886.4.camel@arabica> References: <1444749492.2886.4.camel@arabica> Message-ID: <1444775620.2901.20.camel@arabica> OK, thanks to a couple of off list email exchanges between an Elecrafter and another person I found the solution. In my defense it was not ENTIRELY operator error. First, the KX3's default baud rate is 4800. The KXPA100's default baud is 38400. fldigi, and in fact wsjtx probably should have their baud rates set to that value. secondly, the postwrite delay in fldigi was set to 5mS. That value should be increased. I set it to 25mS. It is all working great now. Thank you to the two people who pointed me in the right direction and 73 to all! John Pitz KD8CIV On Tue, 2015-10-13 at 11:18 -0400, John Pitz wrote: > I have a KX3 and a KXPA100, When I have the two connected as per the > manual with the KXPA100 off, fldigi can connect to the KX3. As soon as > I turn on the KXPA100 fldigi can no longer communicate with the KX3. > How do I get fldigi to communicate to the KX3 with the KXPA100 powered > up? It seems that this should be a lot easier than what I am making it. > > My setup is: > A laptop running Linux mint > KX3 > KXPA100 > fldigi v3.23.03 using Hamlib > > I can connect without any trouble with both the KX3 utility and the > KXPA100 utility. I was under the impression that both units used > different command sets and that the KXPA100 would forward anything it > does not recognize on to the KX3. > > Incidentally, I did try powering on the amp, then connecting with the > KX3 utility, then closing the KX3 utility and launching fldigi. > > It would be really helpful for my education on the digital modes to be > able to see the frequency I am using on the waterfall display. > > John Pitz > KD8CIV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to crustacean at brig-elec.com > From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com Tue Oct 13 18:47:39 2015 From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (Gary K9GS) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 17:47:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living In-Reply-To: <561CE07D.9070608@nycap.rr.com> References: <561C0FCA.3030602@gmail.com> <561CE07D.9070608@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <561D8A0B.80804@wi.rr.com> While I understand the problem with installing antennas, this sounds to me like nothing more than a specialized type of Skype/VoIP where you use your radio as a hardware interface. Interesting yes, but this is not ham radio. On 10/13/2015 5:44 AM, Bill wrote: > I have a bunch of ham friends that no longer have antennas (HOA, > apartments, assisted living, etc.) and we communicate nearly every day > using CQ100. > > CQ100 is a looks like , works like, licensed required, ham > communications VOIP system. It does not need super fast Internet > connection. If you can run a browser and watch YouTube - you can run > CQ100. No QRM, QRN, or fade-outs. You also can send pictures > (cartoons, scans, etc.) to those you are in QSO with. > > I use HF and CQ100 on a daily basis. It is for communications (nets, > rag chewing, camaraderie, etc.) - and does a fine job. It is not for > contesting. I even operate on one net in the northeast that starts out > on 75 meters, then goes to CQ100 to include some folks down south that > no longer have HF capabilities. > > Yeah I know - you don't like it because it isn't real radio. OK - then > go back to your ceramic class and sing-alongs. > > For the rest of you, looking to enjoy ham radio when you no longer can > have a real station: http://www.qsonet.com/index.html > > CQ100 is a subscription based system, and, for me, the cheapest ham > fun I ever bought. > > I get nothing for speaking well about CQ100 - I just happen to believe > in it and its potential. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to garyk9gs at wi.rr.com > > > -- > 73, > > Gary K9GS > > Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org > Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com > CW Ops #1032 http://www.cwops.org > > ************************************************ From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 18:58:13 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 08:58:13 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living In-Reply-To: <561D8A0B.80804@wi.rr.com> References: <561C0FCA.3030602@gmail.com> <561CE07D.9070608@nycap.rr.com> <561D8A0B.80804@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <561d8c88.c3fa420a.bf064.fffffa0e@mx.google.com> Bill, While the Nay Sayers will never agree, the old adage something is better than nothing certainly applies here. Well done for stating to those of us facing mortality, the obvious. Just my highly devalued Aussie two Cents worth. If the Aussie dollar falls much further below the Greenback, us Down Under folks will need either a bailout or a rubber duckie to stay afloat....just sayin :-) Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Gary K9GS" Sent: ?14/?10/?2015 8:48 AM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living While I understand the problem with installing antennas, this sounds to me like nothing more than a specialized type of Skype/VoIP where you use your radio as a hardware interface. Interesting yes, but this is not ham radio. On 10/13/2015 5:44 AM, Bill wrote: > I have a bunch of ham friends that no longer have antennas (HOA, > apartments, assisted living, etc.) and we communicate nearly every day > using CQ100. > > CQ100 is a looks like , works like, licensed required, ham > communications VOIP system. It does not need super fast Internet > connection. If you can run a browser and watch YouTube - you can run > CQ100. No QRM, QRN, or fade-outs. You also can send pictures > (cartoons, scans, etc.) to those you are in QSO with. > > I use HF and CQ100 on a daily basis. It is for communications (nets, > rag chewing, camaraderie, etc.) - and does a fine job. It is not for > contesting. I even operate on one net in the northeast that starts out > on 75 meters, then goes to CQ100 to include some folks down south that > no longer have HF capabilities. > > Yeah I know - you don't like it because it isn't real radio. OK - then > go back to your ceramic class and sing-alongs. > > For the rest of you, looking to enjoy ham radio when you no longer can > have a real station: http://www.qsonet.com/index.html > > CQ100 is a subscription based system, and, for me, the cheapest ham > fun I ever bought. > > I get nothing for speaking well about CQ100 - I just happen to believe > in it and its potential. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to garyk9gs at wi.rr.com > > > -- > 73, > > Gary K9GS > > Greater Milwaukee DX Association: http://www.gmdxa.org > Society of Midwest Contesters: http://www.w9smc.com > CW Ops #1032 http://www.cwops.org > > ************************************************ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 19:00:32 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:00:32 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files fromK3 Utility In-Reply-To: <561D8344.30104@arrl.net> References: <004001d105d5$35186860$9f493920$@net> <561D8344.30104@arrl.net> Message-ID: <561d8d12.04a6440a.7aec2.fffffbe5@mx.google.com> If using windows 8 or better, try Snip....you can do this to capture a screen shot off the P3 also. Anything on the screen can be saved then printed ir emailed etc.... Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Byron Peebles" Sent: ?14/?10/?2015 8:20 AM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files fromK3 Utility I had this desire this weekend, too. On 10/13/2015 12:35 PM, Terry Schieler wrote: > I have a recent configuration file from my former K3 (#474) saved in my K3 Utility. I was hoping to print out that file and use it as a guide to setting up my new K3S, knowing better than to simply load (restore) the old K3 configuration file into the new K3S radio. Fred, KE7X, points out in his fine book that, at the time of the book's first printing, no means were available in K3 Utility to print out the configuration files. Fred was kind enough to note in the book that Ham Radio Deluxe has a way of converting the configuration file to a text file. I used HRD to do exactly that. It was quick and easy, but I could not find a way to save the text file or to print it out. I also tried a print screen, which failed. > > I was wondering if, since Fred's comment was published, someone else realized a need for this and has come up with a way to copy old configuration files for future reference. Has anyone come up with a way to copy a K3 Utility Configuration file to text that I can print out? Ideally, I would like to see the K3 Utility program allow me to save/print ALL the radio's current menu settings for comparison to the published defaults. > > > 73, > > Terry W0FM > St. Louis > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nz3o at arrl.net > . > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From challinan at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 20:05:56 2015 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 20:05:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] test - please ignore In-Reply-To: <561D4B0B.50805@elecraft.com> References: <561D4B0B.50805@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Thread closed On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > Test - Please Ignore. No reply needed. > > Eric > /elecraft.com/ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Tue Oct 13 22:53:15 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:53:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files from K3 Utility In-Reply-To: <004001d105d5$35186860$9f493920$@net> References: <004001d105d5$35186860$9f493920$@net> Message-ID: <01c001d1062b$79f206c0$6dd61440$@carolinaheli.com> I have the second edition of the book and am not finding the HRD method. Can you please direct me to a page number? Jer Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Terry Schieler Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 12:36 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files from K3 Utility I have a recent configuration file from my former K3 (#474) saved in my K3 Utility. I was hoping to print out that file and use it as a guide to setting up my new K3S, knowing better than to simply load (restore) the old K3 configuration file into the new K3S radio. Fred, KE7X, points out in his fine book that, at the time of the book's first printing, no means were available in K3 Utility to print out the configuration files. Fred was kind enough to note in the book that Ham Radio Deluxe has a way of converting the configuration file to a text file. I used HRD to do exactly that. It was quick and easy, but I could not find a way to save the text file or to print it out. I also tried a print screen, which failed. I was wondering if, since Fred's comment was published, someone else realized a need for this and has come up with a way to copy old configuration files for future reference. Has anyone come up with a way to copy a K3 Utility Configuration file to text that I can print out? Ideally, I would like to see the K3 Utility program allow me to save/print ALL the radio's current menu settings for comparison to the published defaults. 73, Terry W0FM St. Louis ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From w1zk at comcast.net Wed Oct 14 07:00:12 2015 From: w1zk at comcast.net (Ralph McClintock) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 07:00:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files fromK3 Utility Message-ID: <561E35BC.8070804@comcast.net> Snip is also a part of Windows 7. It a lot more tedious than Print but it can be done. W1ZK -- Secretary USS PUEBLO Veterans Association Life Member American Ex-Prisoners of War Life Member Disabled American Veterans From w7aqk at cox.net Wed Oct 14 09:27:49 2015 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 06:27:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Vs. 2nd RX Message-ID: <6D4C7C76AB444EA19B31E7C2F36201B0@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> Hi All, I just worked V73D, but not sure how I would have done it without using the 2nd RX. I love my P3, but for DX stuff the 2nd RX always seems to be the difference. In this case, V73D was moving up slightly after just about every QSO, and not sure the P3 tells you that! The DX clusters don't really help that much. By the time you see the split indicated, it has probably changed a good bit. If I didn't have the 2nd RX, I would be dependent on "outhouse luck" or brute force, neither of which is a strong suit here! Hi. By the way, my QSO's with the TX3X gang were also quick and relatively easy thanks to the 2nd RX. Anyway, both tools are great, but I suggest adding the 2nd RX first, if only one can be added at the moment--at least if working DX is your goal. Dave W7AQK From k2mk at comcast.net Wed Oct 14 10:09:49 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 07:09:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Vs. 2nd RX In-Reply-To: <6D4C7C76AB444EA19B31E7C2F36201B0@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> References: <6D4C7C76AB444EA19B31E7C2F36201B0@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> Message-ID: <1444831789172-7609053.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Dave, As you described, having both a Sub RX and a P3 are a great asset for working split operations. One area where the P3 excels is finding a quiet spot to transmit. It's not always as obvious with the Sub RX. With a modest station it may not be beneficial to jump on the exact frequency of the last QSO. A clear frequency can be a better choice. 73, Mike K2MK dyarnes-2 wrote > Hi All, > > I just worked V73D, but not sure how I would have done it without using > the > 2nd RX. I love my P3, but for DX stuff the 2nd RX always seems to be the > difference. In this case, V73D was moving up slightly after just about > every QSO, and not sure the P3 tells you that! The DX clusters don't > really > help that much. By the time you see the split indicated, it has probably > changed a good bit. If I didn't have the 2nd RX, I would be dependent on > "outhouse luck" or brute force, neither of which is a strong suit here! > Hi. > By the way, my QSO's with the TX3X gang were also quick and relatively > easy > thanks to the 2nd RX. Anyway, both tools are great, but I suggest adding > the 2nd RX first, if only one can be added at the moment--at least if > working DX is your goal. > > Dave W7AQK -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Vs-2nd-RX-tp7609052p7609053.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ny9h at arrl.net Wed Oct 14 10:20:13 2015 From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill NY9H) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:20:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 preamp & KXV3-2 if out/ I/O for sale Message-ID: 6 meter preamp for K3 85$ shipped usa KXV3-2 if out...great for panadapter / I/O for 6 meter preamp 60$ shipped usa too many parts accumulating around here. bill steffey ny9h From w5xd at writelog.com Wed Oct 14 11:21:20 2015 From: w5xd at writelog.com (Wayne, W5XD) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 15:21:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] clifton laboratories Z10000 still available? In-Reply-To: <561D5AE8.8090709@writelog.com> References: <561D5AE8.8090709@writelog.com> Message-ID: <561E72F0.3010104@writelog.com> Well, I called the phone number on the website. Jack answered the phone himself and informed me that he is unable to fill any more orders. I did not ask any personal questions, but it sounded to me like he has other things going on that prevent his attention to helping hobbyists. So the question of the group is whether there is another solution? I fail to find a parts list or circuit diagram on http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com. Does someone else see it? I don't mind tracking down parts and breadboarding, but I need a little more info to make progress on this. Wayne On 10/13/2015 19:26, Wayne, W5XD wrote: > I want to build a SoftRock panadapter for my K2, and understand from > http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/k2_interface.htm its advisable to put > an amplifier between the K2 IF tap and the SoftRock, and its their > Z10000 recommended. > > But I don't get any answers to emails to the address on that page. > Does anyone know how to get a Z10000 or equivalent for the K2? > > My apologies if everyone on this list has seen the answers before--I > tried searching archives, but failed to anything on > http://mailman.qth.net/ that enabled searching this list...other than > clicking on every single posting in the archive...which I did not > do...If you know how to search, tell me that, too. > > Thanks, > Wayne, W5XD From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Wed Oct 14 12:35:55 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:35:55 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] clifton laboratories Z10000 still available? In-Reply-To: <561E72F0.3010104@writelog.com> References: <561D5AE8.8090709@writelog.com> <561E72F0.3010104@writelog.com> Message-ID: Perhaps this? http://g4hup.com/PAT.htm 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 14 Oct 2015, at 16:21, Wayne, W5XD wrote: > > Well, I called the phone number on the website. Jack answered the phone > himself > and informed me that he is unable to fill any more orders. I did not ask any > personal questions, but it sounded to me like he has other things going on > that prevent his attention to helping hobbyists. > > So the question of the group is whether there is another solution? > > I fail to find a parts list or circuit diagram on > http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com. > Does someone else see it? I don't mind tracking down parts and > breadboarding, > but I need a little more info to make progress on this. > > Wayne > >> On 10/13/2015 19:26, Wayne, W5XD wrote: >> I want to build a SoftRock panadapter for my K2, and understand from >> http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/k2_interface.htm its advisable to put >> an amplifier between the K2 IF tap and the SoftRock, and its their >> Z10000 recommended. >> >> But I don't get any answers to emails to the address on that page. >> Does anyone know how to get a Z10000 or equivalent for the K2? >> >> My apologies if everyone on this list has seen the answers before--I >> tried searching archives, but failed to anything on >> http://mailman.qth.net/ that enabled searching this list...other than >> clicking on every single posting in the archive...which I did not >> do...If you know how to search, tell me that, too. >> >> Thanks, >> Wayne, W5XD > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From kk5na at kk5na.com Wed Oct 14 12:40:31 2015 From: kk5na at kk5na.com (kk5na) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:40:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3-PX3 orientaion Trial Message-ID: <561E857F.5080104@kk5na.com> I have found a new orientation for my KX3/PX3....vertical. See pictures here: http://www.kk5na.com/KX3-vert.htm Modified SOTA stand and plastic model case base attached. -- 73, Joe KK5NA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jackbrindle at me.com Wed Oct 14 12:42:27 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:42:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ACC jack In-Reply-To: <7280d57d369c6cf2c161bf39be1ccb50.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <7280d57d369c6cf2c161bf39be1ccb50.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: <4C8E2AD9-9152-4AC2-A3BC-CF2DE5EF8DE6@me.com> As Eric notes, it is perfectly permissible to daisy-chain the Y adapters. I would suggest using the ACC signals with the KAT500/KPA500 combination. This is needed for the KAT500 to follow the K3S?s frequency during receive, something I think you will find to be very valuable in use. Having the KPA500 connected through the ACC interface is also very valuable, allowing the KPA to also switch bands along with the K3S instead of waiting for RF. The ACC cables that came with the KPA500 and KAT500 should be used to interconnect those devices - they have a few signals removed as described in the KPA500 manual. So, go ahead and use the Y adapters as needed. Be sure they are straight-through signals - that is don?t use VGA-style adapters and cables. These do not connect each pin straight-through end to end and will not function satisfactorily. Besides Elecraft, there are sources that sell these cables, just make sure they are not VGA cables when you purchase and use them. 73! Jack Brindle, W6FB > On Oct 12, 2015, at 8:40 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > > I am setting up my newly purchased K3S and I have three devices that use > the same ACC jack on the transceiver. I use a Top Ten Band Decoder for > switching antennas and filters, a MicroHAM DigiKeyer II for CW and RTTY > and an Elecraft KAP500/KAT500 linear amplifier and tuner. The Band Decoder > and DigiKeyer II interface well individually with the K3S, I have yet to > try the amplifier ACC cable. How can I run all three devices > simultaneously though the single K3S ACC jack? Elecraft supplied a Y > adapter with the amplifier cable. Do I need another Y, is is safe to > connect all of these together with Y's? Is there a better solution? > > 73, > John KK9A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Wed Oct 14 12:49:18 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:49:18 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 firmware 1.35 BETA available, USB keyboard In-Reply-To: <1444768859215-7609038.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444768859215-7609038.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4185FC51-D889-4562-8501-59A1274D44D8@yahoo.co.uk> A big thanks Paul ! 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 13 Oct 2015, at 21:40, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote: > > PX3 firmware version 1.35 beta is now available for download from the > Elecraft website. Follow the link on how to download and install beta > firmware to your PX3 -> HERE > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Oct 14 13:03:35 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:03:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Vs. 2nd RX In-Reply-To: <6D4C7C76AB444EA19B31E7C2F36201B0@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> Message-ID: On 10/14/15 at 6:27 AM, w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) wrote: >I just worked V73D, but not sure how I would have done it >without using the 2nd RX. I love my P3, but for DX stuff the >2nd RX always seems to be the difference. I find the P3 is really good for finding the DX in the first place. (I am frequently in places with no Internet access.) A DX pileup has a special look on the P3 with one (weak) station transmitting and then the pileup coming back (except for the ones who aren't listening to the DX and are just transmitting). I agree with Mike that the P3 is also good for finding an open place to transmit, particularly valuable when doing RTTY. OTOH, I have a brand new 2nd receiver and diversity was wonderful in the California QSO party. It beats the REV button hands down. I would go with the P3 first. HIHI 73 Bill AE6JV ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | When it comes to the world | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | around us, is there any choice | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | but to explore? - Lisa Randall | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From pauls at elecraft.com Wed Oct 14 13:41:15 2015 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:41:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3/P3SVGA Compatible USB Keyboard List Message-ID: <1444844475864-7609061.post@n2.nabble.com> With the release of PX3 BETA firmware 1.35, several customers have inquired about which USB keyboard are compatible with the PX3 and P3/SVGA. Here's a short list of keyboards several customers and I have tested. (see below) If you're using a keyboard that is not on this list, please email me directly and include the make and model if possible. (pauls at you know where dot com) 73 and thanks, Paul --------------------------------- PX3 suggested keyboard list ? 2015 Elecraft Inc Keyboards listed were available when this list was created and have been tested with the PX3/P3SVGA Note: most "PC BIOS compatible" keyboards will work. In other words, the keyboard must be able to be recognized by the PC BIOS. This rules out Bluetooth and multimedia style keyboards, those with mice, touchpads, and multimedia functions. Model Number Manufacturer Style/Notes K360 Logitech Wireless K270 Logitech Wireless, separate keypad K120 Logitech Wired KB212 Dell wired, full size, came with PC Monoprice Flexible Monoprice Wired, available on Ebay MK360 Logitech wireless, inludes mouse KU-1060 HP wired, full size, came with PC SK-2085 HP wired, full size , came with PC KB113p Dell wired, med size, came with PC "78 Key USB Slim Mini Small Thin Keyboard Compact Desktop Laptop PC Win 7 White" Ebay -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-P3SVGA-Compatible-USB-Keyboard-List-tp7609061.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at subich.com Wed Oct 14 14:05:41 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 14:05:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] clifton laboratories Z10000 still available? In-Reply-To: <561D5AE8.8090709@writelog.com> References: <561D5AE8.8090709@writelog.com> Message-ID: <561E9975.5010504@subich.com> Documentation on both the "universal" and K2 versions of the Z10000 are still available on Jack's web site - check the documents link: http://cliftonlaboratories.com/Documents.htm If the parts are available in suitable form, one can reasonably breadboard a Z10000 from the documentation provided. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/13/2015 3:26 PM, Wayne, W5XD wrote: > I want to build a SoftRock panadapter for my K2, and understand from > http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/k2_interface.htm its advisable to put > an amplifier between the K2 IF tap and the SoftRock, and its their > Z10000 recommended. > > But I don't get any answers to emails to the address on that page. > Does anyone know how to get a Z10000 or equivalent for the K2? > > My apologies if everyone on this list has seen the answers before--I > tried searching archives, but failed to anything on > http://mailman.qth.net/ that enabled searching this list...other than > clicking on every single posting in the archive...which I did not > do...If you know how to search, tell me that, too. > > Thanks, > Wayne, W5XD > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From n2lrb at n2lrb.com Wed Oct 14 14:02:38 2015 From: n2lrb at n2lrb.com (Jose Rivera) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 14:02:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter Message-ID: <08a201d106aa$8384cae0$8a8e60a0$@n2lrb.com> I humbly submit the following product idea to Elecraft. A two meter all mode radio, encased in the current KX3 body. All the components of this radio are already being made by Elecraft, except for a needed ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd also recommend making it at least 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so much the better. Jose B Rivera N2LRB www.n2lrb.com https://twitter.com/N2LRB www.facebook.com/N2LRB From dave at nk7z.net Wed Oct 14 14:18:22 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:18:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Vs. 2nd RX In-Reply-To: <1444831789172-7609053.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <6D4C7C76AB444EA19B31E7C2F36201B0@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <1444831789172-7609053.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1444846702.11119.24.camel@nostromo.nk7z> That is exactly how I got V73D as well... Watching him on the P3 work people, and pre-positioning myself in front of him... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-10-14 at 07:09 -0700, Mike K2MK wrote: > Hi Dave, > > As you described, having both a Sub RX and a P3 are a great asset for > working split operations. One area where the P3 excels is finding a quiet > spot to transmit. It's not always as obvious with the Sub RX. With a modest > station it may not be beneficial to jump on the exact frequency of the last > QSO. A clear frequency can be a better choice. > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > > dyarnes-2 wrote > > Hi All, > > > > I just worked V73D, but not sure how I would have done it without using > > the > > 2nd RX. I love my P3, but for DX stuff the 2nd RX always seems to be the > > difference. In this case, V73D was moving up slightly after just about > > every QSO, and not sure the P3 tells you that! The DX clusters don't > > really > > help that much. By the time you see the split indicated, it has probably > > changed a good bit. If I didn't have the 2nd RX, I would be dependent on > > "outhouse luck" or brute force, neither of which is a strong suit here! > > Hi. > > By the way, my QSO's with the TX3X gang were also quick and relatively > > easy > > thanks to the 2nd RX. Anyway, both tools are great, but I suggest adding > > the 2nd RX first, if only one can be added at the moment--at least if > > working DX is your goal. > > > > Dave W7AQK > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Vs-2nd-RX-tp7609052p7609053.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From dave at nk7z.net Wed Oct 14 14:19:59 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:19:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Vs. 2nd RX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1444846799.11119.26.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Then just wait for some poor person to transmit on top of the DX, in error, and look for all the band cops sending UP UP UP, and you can find the DX frequency as well. :) -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-10-14 at 10:03 -0700, Bill Frantz wrote: > On 10/14/15 at 6:27 AM, w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) wrote: > > >I just worked V73D, but not sure how I would have done it > >without using the 2nd RX. I love my P3, but for DX stuff the > >2nd RX always seems to be the difference. > > I find the P3 is really good for finding the DX in the first > place. (I am frequently in places with no Internet access.) A DX > pileup has a special look on the P3 with one (weak) station > transmitting and then the pileup coming back (except for the > ones who aren't listening to the DX and are just transmitting). > I agree with Mike that the P3 is also good for finding an open > place to transmit, particularly valuable when doing RTTY. > > OTOH, I have a brand new 2nd receiver and diversity was > wonderful in the California QSO party. It beats the REV button > hands down. I would go with the P3 first. HIHI > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | When it comes to the world | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | around us, is there any choice | 16345 > Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | but to explore? - Lisa Randall | Los Gatos, > CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From val at vip.bg Wed Oct 14 15:19:12 2015 From: val at vip.bg (Val) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 22:19:12 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] clifton laboratories Z10000 still available? References: <561D5AE8.8090709@writelog.com> <561E72F0.3010104@writelog.com> Message-ID: <339ACC03D7984322B2F4BB1321E818D0@OFFICE> Wayne, Look for Z10000 Manual on the Jack's site. The circuit diagram can be found there. Some time ago I breadboard this amplifier using junk box parts. 73, Val LZ1VB > I fail to find a parts list or circuit diagram on > http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com. > Does someone else see it? I don't mind tracking down parts and > breadboarding, > but I need a little more info to make progress on this. > > Wayne > > On 10/13/2015 19:26, Wayne, W5XD wrote: >> I want to build a SoftRock panadapter for my K2, and understand >> from >> http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/k2_interface.htm its advisable >> to put >> an amplifier between the K2 IF tap and the SoftRock, and its their >> Z10000 recommended. >> >> But I don't get any answers to emails to the address on that page. >> Does anyone know how to get a Z10000 or equivalent for the K2? >> >> My apologies if everyone on this list has seen the answers >> before--I >> tried searching archives, but failed to anything on >> http://mailman.qth.net/ that enabled searching this list...other >> than >> clicking on every single posting in the archive...which I did not >> do...If you know how to search, tell me that, too. >> >> Thanks, >> Wayne, W5XD > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to val at vip.bg > From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Wed Oct 14 16:31:01 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (Fred Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 15:31:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter In-Reply-To: <08a201d106aa$8384cae0$8a8e60a0$@n2lrb.com> References: <08a201d106aa$8384cae0$8a8e60a0$@n2lrb.com> Message-ID: <9E1CCF0C-579D-445F-9C48-4F5F86ED5D77@totalhighspeed.com> Excellent idea except for power output a 100w for an all mode would be good but in a K3s cabinet and many of its features. Fred N0AZZ Sent from my iPad > On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera wrote: > > I humbly submit the following product idea to Elecraft. > > > > A two meter all mode radio, encased in the current KX3 body. All the components of this radio are already > being made by Elecraft, except for a needed ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd also recommend making it at least > 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so much the better. > > > > Jose B Rivera > > N2LRB > > www.n2lrb.com > > https://twitter.com/N2LRB > > www.facebook.com/N2LRB > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com > From n7nt at cox.net Wed Oct 14 16:39:34 2015 From: n7nt at cox.net (Richard Kendrick) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 13:39:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter In-Reply-To: References: <08a201d106aa$8384cae0$8a8e60a0$@n2lrb.com> Message-ID: <20956683-2C6D-475B-BB8A-6DF566D0C8A4@cox.net> If you're going to go multi-band VHF/UHF, including 220 MHz would be very nice. Richard N7NT On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Fred Smith wrote: > Excellent idea except for power output a 100w for an all mode would be good but in a K3s cabinet and many of its features. > > Fred N0AZZ > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera wrote: >> >> I humbly submit the following product idea to Elecraft. >> >> >> >> A two meter all mode radio, encased in the current KX3 body. All the components of this radio are already >> being made by Elecraft, except for a needed ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd also recommend making it at least >> 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so much the better. >> >> >> >> Jose B Rivera >> >> N2LRB >> >> www.n2lrb.com >> >> https://twitter.com/N2LRB >> >> www.facebook.com/N2LRB >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7nt at cox.net From wa8jxm at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 16:39:27 2015 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 16:39:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Vs. 2nd RX In-Reply-To: <6D4C7C76AB444EA19B31E7C2F36201B0@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> References: <6D4C7C76AB444EA19B31E7C2F36201B0@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> Message-ID: <561EBD7F.40403@gmail.com> I wonder if a CW skimmer would work as well or even better, assuming that it can pick out the call signs. Of course that would only work for CW DX. Ken WA8JXM On 10/14/15 9:27 AM, w7aqk wrote: > I just worked V73D, but not sure how I would have done it without > using the 2nd RX. I love my P3, but for DX stuff the 2nd RX always > seems to be the difference. In this case, V73D was moving up slightly > after just about every QSO, and not sure the P3 tells you that! The > DX clusters don't really help that much. By the time you see the > split indicated, it has probably changed a good bit. If I didn't have > the 2nd RX, I would be dependent on "outhouse luck" or brute force, > neither of which is a strong suit here! Hi. By the way, my QSO's with > the TX3X gang were also quick and relatively easy thanks to the 2nd > RX. Anyway, both tools are great, but I suggest adding the 2nd RX > first, if only one can be added at the moment--at least if working DX > is your goal. From joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com Wed Oct 14 16:43:58 2015 From: joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com (Jessie Oberreuter) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 13:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter In-Reply-To: <9E1CCF0C-579D-445F-9C48-4F5F86ED5D77@totalhighspeed.com> References: <08a201d106aa$8384cae0$8a8e60a0$@n2lrb.com> <9E1CCF0C-579D-445F-9C48-4F5F86ED5D77@totalhighspeed.com> Message-ID: Hmmmm, a K3 version of a Yaesu FT-736? I would be seriously down for that! On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Fred Smith wrote: > Excellent idea except for power output a 100w for an all mode would be good but in a K3s cabinet and many of its features. > > Fred N0AZZ > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera wrote: >> >> I humbly submit the following product idea to Elecraft. >> >> >> >> A two meter all mode radio, encased in the current KX3 body. All the components of this radio are already >> being made by Elecraft, except for a needed ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd also recommend making it at least >> 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so much the better. >> >> >> >> Jose B Rivera >> >> N2LRB >> >> www.n2lrb.com >> >> https://twitter.com/N2LRB >> >> www.facebook.com/N2LRB >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com > From kengkopp at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 16:51:13 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 14:51:13 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter In-Reply-To: <20956683-2C6D-475B-BB8A-6DF566D0C8A4@cox.net> References: <08a201d106aa$8384cae0$8a8e60a0$@n2lrb.com> <20956683-2C6D-475B-BB8A-6DF566D0C8A4@cox.net> Message-ID: An all-mode VHF/UHF, 30 to 50 watt radio in a KX3 - sized box? (;-) 73 - K0PP On Oct 14, 2015 2:40 PM, "Richard Kendrick" wrote: > If you're going to go multi-band VHF/UHF, including 220 MHz would be very > nice. > > Richard N7NT > > > On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Fred Smith wrote: > > > Excellent idea except for power output a 100w for an all mode would be > good but in a K3s cabinet and many of its features. > > > > Fred N0AZZ > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera wrote: > >> > >> I humbly submit the following product idea to Elecraft. > >> > >> > >> > >> A two meter all mode radio, encased in the current KX3 body. All the > components of this radio are already > >> being made by Elecraft, except for a needed ATU. Suggested price $500. > I'd also recommend making it at least > >> 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so much the better. > >> > >> > >> > >> Jose B Rivera > >> > >> N2LRB > >> > >> www.n2lrb.com > >> > >> https://twitter.com/N2LRB > >> > >> www.facebook.com/N2LRB > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n7nt at cox.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 16:55:14 2015 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 22:55:14 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Vs. 2nd RX In-Reply-To: <561EBD7F.40403@gmail.com> References: <6D4C7C76AB444EA19B31E7C2F36201B0@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> <561EBD7F.40403@gmail.com> Message-ID: Of course that would only work for CW DX. Is there any other? 73, Deni - F5VJC On 14 October 2015 at 22:39, Ken wrote: > I wonder if a CW skimmer would work as well or even better, assuming that > it can pick out the call signs. Of course that would only work for CW DX. > > Ken WA8JXM > > On 10/14/15 9:27 AM, w7aqk wrote: > >> I just worked V73D, but not sure how I would have done it without using >> the 2nd RX. I love my P3, but for DX stuff the 2nd RX always seems to be >> the difference. In this case, V73D was moving up slightly after just about >> every QSO, and not sure the P3 tells you that! The DX clusters don't >> really help that much. By the time you see the split indicated, it has >> probably changed a good bit. If I didn't have the 2nd RX, I would be >> dependent on "outhouse luck" or brute force, neither of which is a strong >> suit here! Hi. By the way, my QSO's with the TX3X gang were also quick and >> relatively easy thanks to the 2nd RX. Anyway, both tools are great, but I >> suggest adding the 2nd RX first, if only one can be added at the moment--at >> least if working DX is your goal. >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com > From idarack at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 17:16:27 2015 From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:16:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3/P3SVGA Compatible USB Keyboard List In-Reply-To: <1444844475864-7609061.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444844475864-7609061.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Wednesday, October 14, 2015, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote: > With the release of PX3 BETA firmware 1.35, several customers have inquired > about which USB keyboard are compatible with the PX3 and P3/SVGA. Here's a > short list of keyboards several customers and I have tested. (see below) > If you're using a keyboard that is not on this list, please email me > directly and include the make and model if possible. (pauls at you know > where dot com) > > 73 and thanks, > > Paul > > --------------------------------- > > PX3 suggested keyboard list > ? 2015 Elecraft Inc > Keyboards listed were available when this list was created and have been > tested with the PX3/P3SVGA > > Note: most "PC BIOS compatible" keyboards will work. In other words, the > keyboard must be able to be recognized by the PC BIOS. This > rules out Bluetooth and multimedia style keyboards, those with mice, > touchpads, and multimedia functions. > > > > Model Number Manufacturer Style/Notes > > K360 Logitech Wireless > K270 Logitech Wireless, separate keypad > K120 Logitech Wired > KB212 Dell wired, full size, came with PC > Monoprice Flexible Monoprice Wired, available on Ebay > MK360 Logitech wireless, inludes mouse > KU-1060 HP wired, full size, came with PC > SK-2085 HP wired, full size , came with PC > KB113p Dell wired, med size, came with PC > > "78 Key USB Slim Mini Small Thin Keyboard Compact Desktop Laptop PC Win 7 > White" Ebay > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-P3SVGA-Compatible-USB-Keyboard-List-tp7609061.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to idarack at gmail.com -- Irwin KD3TB From idarack at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 17:17:37 2015 From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:17:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Extenal Stereo Speakers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A speaker volume question. My set up: I have a pair of Polk miniature (non powered) stereo speakers plugged into my K3S. I plug my headphones into the front connector and have the Config menu set up so that if the headphones are plugged in, no sound comes from the stereo speakers. I find that the volume in the headphones is much higher than the stereo speakers when the AF audio is the same. I am wondering if there is a setting in either the Menu or Config settings to equalize this or adjust for the difference without having to constantly adjust the AF setting? Finally, it could just be that I need to find a better set of stereo speakers? any recommendations? Thanks, Irwin KD3TB -- Irwin KD3TB From sabertsch at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 17:18:19 2015 From: sabertsch at gmail.com (Steven Bertsch) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 14:18:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Brown Bros. CTL-B paddles/key with K3 Message-ID: <14C7A2BD-07D8-4695-9868-0E802D486D20@gmail.com> Anyone using Brown Brothers CTL-B paddles/key with a K3? If so, how did you connect it? Steve, K6SAB From dpbunte at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 17:31:26 2015 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:31:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Brown Bros. CTL-B paddles/key with K3 In-Reply-To: <14C7A2BD-07D8-4695-9868-0E802D486D20@gmail.com> References: <14C7A2BD-07D8-4695-9868-0E802D486D20@gmail.com> Message-ID: Steve - I don't have a the CTL-B now, but did many years ago. The connection is very straight forward.,, but you did not state if you use an external keyer, or the keyer in the K3. If using an external keyer wire the paddle portion of the CTL-B for the connector required by the paddle input of your keyer. The output of the keyer will go to the KEY input of the K3, but you will want to use a 1/4" mono 'Y' cable (two female, to one male), so you can connect the straight key portion of the CTL-B in parallel with the line from the keyer. If you are using the keyer built into the K3 it is still very straight forward. Wire the paddle to a 1/4" stereo plug, and plug it into the PADDLE input of the K3. Wire the straight key portion of the CTL-B to a 1/4" plug and plug it into the KEY input of the K3. Best of luck. Dave - K9FN On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Steven Bertsch wrote: > Anyone using Brown Brothers CTL-B paddles/key with a K3? If so, how did > you connect it? > > Steve, K6SAB > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 17:37:20 2015 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 23:37:20 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living In-Reply-To: <561CE07D.9070608@nycap.rr.com> References: <561C0FCA.3030602@gmail.com> <561CE07D.9070608@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: Why not add simulated QRM, QRN, QSB, COPS, LID's etc? Much more fun... 73, Deni - F5VJC On 13 October 2015 at 12:44, Bill wrote: > I have a bunch of ham friends that no longer have antennas (HOA, > apartments, assisted living, etc.) and we communicate nearly every day > using CQ100. > > CQ100 is a looks like , works like, licensed required, ham communications > VOIP system. It does not need super fast Internet connection. If you can > run a browser and watch YouTube - you can run CQ100. No QRM, QRN, or > fade-outs. You also can send pictures (cartoons, scans, etc.) to those you > are in QSO with. > > I use HF and CQ100 on a daily basis. It is for communications (nets, rag > chewing, camaraderie, etc.) - and does a fine job. It is not for > contesting. I even operate on one net in the northeast that starts out on > 75 meters, then goes to CQ100 to include some folks down south that no > longer have HF capabilities. > > Yeah I know - you don't like it because it isn't real radio. OK - then go > back to your ceramic class and sing-alongs. > > For the rest of you, looking to enjoy ham radio when you no longer can > have a real station: http://www.qsonet.com/index.html > > CQ100 is a subscription based system, and, for me, the cheapest ham fun I > ever bought. > > I get nothing for speaking well about CQ100 - I just happen to believe in > it and its potential. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to foxfive.vjc at gmail.com > From pincon at erols.com Wed Oct 14 17:49:28 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:49:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter In-Reply-To: References: <08a201d106aa$8384cae0$8a8e60a0$@n2lrb.com> <9E1CCF0C-579D-445F-9C48-4F5F86ED5D77@totalhighspeed.com> Message-ID: <010501d106ca$36d84a80$a488df80$@erols.com> I'd give that another big "Hmmmm". A 21 century FT-736 the size of a K3...??? 144, 222, 432 & maybe 1296 optional. Where do I sign? It would certainly be more convenient than a bunch of transverters. I don't think it would have to run much power to be useful since anyone serious is gonna have some big amps anyway. In the effort of compactness, maybe 5 to 10 watts tri-band + a couple watts on 1296 as a field installable option. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jessie Oberreuter Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:44 PM To: Fred Smith Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; n2lrb at n2lrb.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter Hmmmm, a K3 version of a Yaesu FT-736? I would be seriously down for that! On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Fred Smith wrote: > Excellent idea except for power output a 100w for an all mode would be good but in a K3s cabinet and many of its features. > > Fred N0AZZ > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera wrote: >> >> I humbly submit the following product idea to Elecraft. >> >> >> >> A two meter all mode radio, encased in the current KX3 body. All the components of this radio are already >> being made by Elecraft, except for a needed ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd also recommend making it at least >> 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so much the better. >> >> >> >> Jose B Rivera >> >> N2LRB >> >> www.n2lrb.com >> >> https://twitter.com/N2LRB >> >> www.facebook.com/N2LRB >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ ____________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com >> > > __________________________________________________ ____________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com > __________________________________________________ ____________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From w0fm at swbell.net Wed Oct 14 18:01:11 2015 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:01:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files fromK3 Utility In-Reply-To: <561E35BC.8070804@comcast.net> References: <561E35BC.8070804@comcast.net> Message-ID: <009001d106cb$d704f890$850ee9b0$@net> I have Snip and use it a lot, but it doesn't "scroll" for long documents. Terry, W0FM -----Original Message----- From: Ralph McClintock [mailto:w1zk at comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 6:00 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files fromK3 Utility Snip is also a part of Windows 7. It a lot more tedious than Print but it can be done. W1ZK -- Secretary USS PUEBLO Veterans Association Life Member American Ex-Prisoners of War Life Member Disabled American Veterans From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Wed Oct 14 18:03:50 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (Fred Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:03:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter In-Reply-To: <010501d106ca$36d84a80$a488df80$@erols.com> References: <08a201d106aa$8384cae0$8a8e60a0$@n2lrb.com> <9E1CCF0C-579D-445F-9C48-4F5F86ED5D77@totalhighspeed.com> <010501d106ca$36d84a80$a488df80$@erols.com> Message-ID: The 100w would give you more choice of amps and running without one for a lot of modes. I have an IC-9100 and it does all of those bands plus HF and D-Star. But a K line one would be very appealing. Fred N0AZZ Sent from my iPad > On Oct 14, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > > I'd give that another big "Hmmmm". > > A 21 century FT-736 the size of a K3...??? > > 144, 222, 432 & maybe 1296 optional. Where do I > sign? > > It would certainly be more convenient than a bunch > of transverters. > > I don't think it would have to run much power to > be useful since anyone serious is gonna have some > big amps anyway. > > In the effort of compactness, maybe 5 to 10 watts > tri-band + a couple watts on 1296 as a field > installable option. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On > Behalf Of Jessie Oberreuter > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:44 PM > To: Fred Smith > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; n2lrb at n2lrb.com > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter > > > Hmmmm, a K3 version of a Yaesu FT-736? I > would be seriously down for that! > > >> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Fred Smith wrote: >> >> Excellent idea except for power output a 100w > for an all mode would be good but in a K3s cabinet > and many of its features. >> >> Fred N0AZZ >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera > wrote: >>> >>> I humbly submit the following product idea to > Elecraft. >>> >>> >>> >>> A two meter all mode radio, encased in the > current KX3 body. All the components of this radio > are already >>> being made by Elecraft, except for a needed > ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd also recommend > making it at least >>> 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so > much the better. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jose B Rivera >>> >>> N2LRB >>> >>> www.n2lrb.com >>> >>> https://twitter.com/N2LRB >>> >>> www.facebook.com/N2LRB > __________________________________________________ > ____________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com > __________________________________________________ > ____________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to > joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com > __________________________________________________ > ____________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pincon at erols.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Wed Oct 14 18:10:49 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 18:10:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - Method to print K3/K3S configuration files from K3 Utility In-Reply-To: <272A1A37-3ECE-4B5C-B573-D253E94C8683@gmail.com> References: <561D505B.7020007@gmail.com> <272A1A37-3ECE-4B5C-B573-D253E94C8683@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e9dd86a-2d1a-407c-94bb-3524d6bffead@typeapp.com> For those of you using Win4k3Suite, you can export most menu and tech mode settings as well as operating parameters to a file. This file is an XML file, and can be opened in notepad and printed. Not the most fancy presentation but it does provide a hard copy. 73 Tom Sent from BlueMail On Oct 13, 2015, 5:50 PM, at 5:50 PM, Rick Bates wrote: >This may help some... > >http://na6m.com/EZ-K3/ > >The version I have installed does NOT provide any print options, but >printing screen shots would provide copious info... > >As it is no longer supported, I'm also SURE that it won't cover any >menu/feature additions since the last issue. Closer is better than >nothing. > >Rick nhc >> >>> On 10/13/2015 11:28 AM, Terry Schieler wrote: >>> Hi Rick, >>> >>> I recall having a copy of K3EZ at one point, but deleted it after >learning it was no longer supported and the K3 Utility became >available. I never knew I might like to copy the configuration files >in text so I could crawl into my lounger, with my K3 manual (and my >favorite adult beverage) and casually compare my settings with the >published defaults. Who would have thought that the radio would evolve >to a state that there were so many menu settings and options? >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Terry, W0FM >> >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From mhvnmn at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 18:22:27 2015 From: mhvnmn at gmail.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 18:22:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Brown Bros. CTL-B paddles/key with K3 In-Reply-To: References: <14C7A2BD-07D8-4695-9868-0E802D486D20@gmail.com> Message-ID: <38FEE460-27D0-486A-8866-3C19DC581F42@gmail.com> Facing the connectors (that is, looking at the back of the base) the connectors are, left to right: Key Dash Common Dot Bizarre, isn?t it? I often wondered what they were thinking. I guess you have to look at the paddles first and think of the common as being centered. Then the key line must be the one at the key end. A VOM is your friend. ? Marc W8SDG > On Oct 14, 2015, at 5:31 PM, David Bunte wrote: > > Steve - > > I don't have a the CTL-B now, but did many years ago. The connection is > very straight forward.,, but you did not state if you use an external > keyer, or the keyer in the K3. If using an external keyer wire the paddle > portion of the CTL-B for the connector required by the paddle input of your > keyer. The output of the keyer will go to the KEY input of the K3, but you > will want to use a 1/4" mono 'Y' cable (two female, to one male), so you > can connect the straight key portion of the CTL-B in parallel with the line > from the keyer. > > If you are using the keyer built into the K3 it is still very straight > forward. Wire the paddle to a 1/4" stereo plug, and plug it into the > PADDLE input of the K3. Wire the straight key portion of the CTL-B to a > 1/4" plug and plug it into the KEY input of the K3. > > > Best of luck. > > Dave - K9FN > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Steven Bertsch wrote: >> >> Anyone using Brown Brothers CTL-B paddles/key with a K3? If so, how did >> you connect it? >> >> Steve, K6SAB >> >> From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Oct 14 18:23:11 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:23:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Extenal Stereo Speakers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <561ED5CF.8060700@blomand.net> If you like the sound of the Polk Audio speakers, then I suggest a couple of resistors in series with the headphones to reduce the headphone level. I'm using a pair of speakers from Radio Shack. Catalog number 40-1313. These can be used powered with internal or external power or passive. They are basically 2" x 4" oval speakers in a nice enclosure. I found two pair, new in the box, on the auction site for under $40 / pr. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/14/2015 4:17 PM, Irwin Darack wrote: > A speaker volume question. > > My set up: I have a pair of Polk miniature (non powered) stereo speakers > plugged into my K3S. I plug my headphones into the front connector and > have the Config menu set up so that if the headphones are plugged in, no > sound comes from the stereo speakers. > > I find that the volume in the headphones is much higher than the stereo > speakers when the AF audio is the same. I am wondering if there is a > setting in either the Menu or Config settings to equalize this or adjust > for the difference without having to constantly adjust the AF setting? > > Finally, it could just be that I need to find a better set of stereo > speakers? any recommendations? > > Thanks, > > Irwin KD3TB From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 14 18:27:55 2015 From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 15:27:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter In-Reply-To: References: <08a201d106aa$8384cae0$8a8e60a0$@n2lrb.com> <20956683-2C6D-475B-BB8A-6DF566D0C8A4@cox.net> Message-ID: <561ED6EB.8020008@sbcglobal.net> At the Elecraft presentation that Eric did at Pacificon last year, I threw out this exact idea for his consideration. Given that Elecraft already has the technology to produce tranverters for the K2 and K3 for 2m, 222 MHz and 432 MHz, I suggested a single box to contain all three bands, all modes, and with a minimum of 50 watts output. Eric was receptive to the concept, but said he didn't think that there would be a large enough market for such a transceiver. He's also the business guy with Elecraft, so I have to believe what he said. Submitting the idea to the list a while back, the general consensus seemed to agree, adding that the VHF/UHF weak-signal operator pool is shrinking. The discussion is in the archives. 73 de Jim - AD6CW On 10/14/2015 1:51 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > An all-mode VHF/UHF, 30 to 50 watt radio in a KX3 - sized box? (;-) > > 73 - K0PP > On Oct 14, 2015 2:40 PM, "Richard Kendrick" wrote: > >> If you're going to go multi-band VHF/UHF, including 220 MHz would be very >> nice. >> >> Richard N7NT From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 14 18:43:10 2015 From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Lowman) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 15:43:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter In-Reply-To: References: <08a201d106aa$8384cae0$8a8e60a0$@n2lrb.com> <9E1CCF0C-579D-445F-9C48-4F5F86ED5D77@totalhighspeed.com> <010501d106ca$36d84a80$a488df80$@erols.com> Message-ID: <561EDA7E.30605@sbcglobal.net> Yes, I have a Kenwood TS-2000X, which is good for 100 watts on 6m and 2m, 50 watts on 432 MHz and 10 watts on 1296 MHz. I bought it for that purpose. The only thing missing is the 222 MHz band, and the only activity on that band in this, the second-largest metropolitan area in the US, is during contests, and most of that is on FM. Apparently that was not the case here, 10 or so years ago. I don't think your IC-9100 does 222 MHz, either. With a K3S, I wouldn't even consider using the TS-2000X on HF. 73 de Jim - AD6CW On 10/14/2015 3:03 PM, Fred Smith wrote: > The 100w would give you more choice of amps and running without one for a lot of modes. I have an IC-9100 and it does all of those bands plus HF and D-Star. But a K line one would be very appealing. > > Fred N0AZZ > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 14, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >> >> I'd give that another big "Hmmmm". >> >> A 21 century FT-736 the size of a K3...??? >> >> 144, 222, 432 & maybe 1296 optional. Where do I >> sign? >> >> It would certainly be more convenient than a bunch >> of transverters. >> >> I don't think it would have to run much power to >> be useful since anyone serious is gonna have some >> big amps anyway. >> >> In the effort of compactness, maybe 5 to 10 watts >> tri-band + a couple watts on 1296 as a field >> installable option. >> >> 73, Charlie k3ICH >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft >> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On >> Behalf Of Jessie Oberreuter >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:44 PM >> To: Fred Smith >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; n2lrb at n2lrb.com >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter >> >> >> Hmmmm, a K3 version of a Yaesu FT-736? I >> would be seriously down for that! >> >> >>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Fred Smith wrote: >>> >>> Excellent idea except for power output a 100w >> for an all mode would be good but in a K3s cabinet >> and many of its features. >>> >>> Fred N0AZZ >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera >> wrote: >>>> >>>> I humbly submit the following product idea to >> Elecraft. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A two meter all mode radio, encased in the >> current KX3 body. All the components of this radio >> are already >>>> being made by Elecraft, except for a needed >> ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd also recommend >> making it at least >>>> 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so >> much the better. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jose B Rivera >>>> >>>> N2LRB >>>> >>>> www.n2lrb.com >>>> >>>> https://twitter.com/N2LRB >>>> >>>> www.facebook.com/N2LRB >> __________________________________________________ >> ____________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: >> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com >> __________________________________________________ >> ____________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: >> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to >> joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com >> __________________________________________________ >> ____________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: >> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to pincon at erols.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jmlowman at sbcglobal.net > From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 18:58:33 2015 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 16:58:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter In-Reply-To: <561EDA7E.30605@sbcglobal.net> References: <08a201d106aa$8384cae0$8a8e60a0$@n2lrb.com> <9E1CCF0C-579D-445F-9C48-4F5F86ED5D77@totalhighspeed.com> <010501d106ca$36d84a80$a488df80$@erols.com> <561EDA7E.30605@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Everyone seems to have missed that the original poster is wanting all this in a KX3 .... repeat, a KX3 .... housing. Most seem to have missed / ignored this. (;-( 73 Ken - K0PP On Oct 14, 2015 4:44 PM, "Jim Lowman" wrote: > Yes, I have a Kenwood TS-2000X, which is good for 100 watts on 6m and 2m, > 50 watts on 432 MHz and 10 watts on 1296 MHz. I bought it for that purpose. > > The only thing missing is the 222 MHz band, and the only activity on that > band in this, the second-largest metropolitan area in the US, is during > contests, and most of that is on FM. Apparently that was not the case here, > 10 or so years ago. I don't think your IC-9100 does 222 MHz, either. > > With a K3S, I wouldn't even consider using the TS-2000X on HF. > > 73 de Jim - AD6CW > > On 10/14/2015 3:03 PM, Fred Smith wrote: > >> The 100w would give you more choice of amps and running without one for a >> lot of modes. I have an IC-9100 and it does all of those bands plus HF and >> D-Star. But a K line one would be very appealing. >> >> Fred N0AZZ >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 14, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >>> >>> I'd give that another big "Hmmmm". >>> >>> A 21 century FT-736 the size of a K3...??? >>> >>> 144, 222, 432 & maybe 1296 optional. Where do I >>> sign? >>> >>> It would certainly be more convenient than a bunch >>> of transverters. >>> >>> I don't think it would have to run much power to >>> be useful since anyone serious is gonna have some >>> big amps anyway. >>> >>> In the effort of compactness, maybe 5 to 10 watts >>> tri-band + a couple watts on 1296 as a field >>> installable option. >>> >>> 73, Charlie k3ICH >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft >>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On >>> Behalf Of Jessie Oberreuter >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:44 PM >>> To: Fred Smith >>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; n2lrb at n2lrb.com >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter >>> >>> >>> Hmmmm, a K3 version of a Yaesu FT-736? I >>> would be seriously down for that! >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Fred Smith wrote: >>>> >>>> Excellent idea except for power output a 100w >>>> >>> for an all mode would be good but in a K3s cabinet >>> and many of its features. >>> >>>> >>>> Fred N0AZZ >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera >>>>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> I humbly submit the following product idea to >>>>> >>>> Elecraft. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A two meter all mode radio, encased in the >>>>> >>>> current KX3 body. All the components of this radio >>> are already >>> >>>> being made by Elecraft, except for a needed >>>>> >>>> ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd also recommend >>> making it at least >>> >>>> 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so >>>>> >>>> much the better. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jose B Rivera >>>>> >>>>> N2LRB >>>>> >>>>> www.n2lrb.com >>>>> >>>>> https://twitter.com/N2LRB >>>>> >>>>> www.facebook.com/N2LRB >>>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>> ____________ >>> >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: >>>>> >>>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: >>>>> >>>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>>> Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com >>>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>> ____________ >>> >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: >>>> >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: >>>> >>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>>> Message delivered to >>>> >>> joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com >>> __________________________________________________ >>> ____________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: >>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to pincon at erols.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jmlowman at sbcglobal.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com > From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Wed Oct 14 18:59:19 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (Fred Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:59:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter In-Reply-To: <561ED6EB.8020008@sbcglobal.net> References: <08a201d106aa$8384cae0$8a8e60a0$@n2lrb.com> <20956683-2C6D-475B-BB8A-6DF566D0C8A4@cox.net> <561ED6EB.8020008@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <64110B67-6D20-4090-9340-5824DB7AF626@totalhighspeed.com> Thank God for Icom then I guess my 9100 works fine on all bands but wasted my money on the 1296 module very little use there. Fred N0AZZ Sent from my iPad > On Oct 14, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Jim Lowman wrote: > > Given From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Wed Oct 14 19:04:28 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (Fred Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 18:04:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter In-Reply-To: <561EDA7E.30605@sbcglobal.net> References: <08a201d106aa$8384cae0$8a8e60a0$@n2lrb.com> <9E1CCF0C-579D-445F-9C48-4F5F86ED5D77@totalhighspeed.com> <010501d106ca$36d84a80$a488df80$@erols.com> <561EDA7E.30605@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <5BBB5482-BE52-4EC5-A467-E5A5FEA08E3A@totalhighspeed.com> Your correct no 222 on it but was a lot better than my old TS2000X I had before it. Fred N0AZZ Sent from my iPad > On Oct 14, 2015, at 5:43 PM, Jim Lowman wrote: > > Yes, I have a Kenwood TS-2000X, which is good for 100 watts on 6m and 2m, 50 watts on 432 MHz and 10 watts on 1296 MHz. I bought it for that ...purpose. > > The only thing missing is the 222 MHz band, and the only activity on that band in this, the second-largest metropolitan area in the US, is during contests, and most of that is on FM. Apparently that was not the case here, 10 or so years ago. I don't think your IC-9100 does 222 MHz, either. > > With a K3S, I wouldn't even consider using the TS-2000X on HF. > > 73 de Jim - AD6CW > >> On 10/14/2015 3:03 PM, Fred Smith wrote: >> The 100w would give you more choice of amps and running without one for a lot of modes. I have an IC-9100 and it does all of those bands plus HF and D-Star. But a K line one would be very appealing. >> >> Fred N0AZZ >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >>> >>> I'd give that another big "Hmmmm". >>> >>> A 21 century FT-736 the size of a K3...??? >>> >>> 144, 222, 432 & maybe 1296 optional. Where do I >>> sign? >>> >>> It would certainly be more convenient than a bunch >>> of transverters. >>> >>> I don't think it would have to run much power to >>> be useful since anyone serious is gonna have some >>> big amps anyway. >>> >>> In the effort of compactness, maybe 5 to 10 watts >>> tri-band + a couple watts on 1296 as a field >>> installable option. >>> >>> 73, Charlie k3ICH >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft >>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On >>> Behalf Of Jessie Oberreuter >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:44 PM >>> To: Fred Smith >>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; n2lrb at n2lrb.com >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter >>> >>> >>> Hmmmm, a K3 version of a Yaesu FT-736? I >>> would be seriously down for that! >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Fred Smith wrote: >>>> >>>> Excellent idea except for power output a 100w >>> for an all mode would be good but in a K3s cabinet >>> and many of its features. >>>> >>>> Fred N0AZZ >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Jose Rivera >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I humbly submit the following product idea to >>> Elecraft. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A two meter all mode radio, encased in the >>> current KX3 body. All the components of this radio >>> are already >>>>> being made by Elecraft, except for a needed >>> ATU. Suggested price $500. I'd also recommend >>> making it at least >>>>> 25-50 watts output. If 70cm can be added, so >>> much the better. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jose B Rivera >>>>> >>>>> N2LRB >>>>> >>>>> www.n2lrb.com >>>>> >>>>> https://twitter.com/N2LRB >>>>> >>>>> www.facebook.com/N2LRB >>> __________________________________________________ >>> ____________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: >>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com >>> __________________________________________________ >>> ____________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: >>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to >>> joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com >>> __________________________________________________ >>> ____________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: >>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to pincon at erols.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jmlowman at sbcglobal.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com > From gerry at w1ve.com Wed Oct 14 19:15:00 2015 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:15:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Remote Operating from Assisted Living In-Reply-To: <9514DB56-381E-45E0-B76F-985D94DBBDD0@mchsi.com> References: <561C0FCA.3030602@gmail.com> <9514DB56-381E-45E0-B76F-985D94DBBDD0@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Hi David, It's upload bandwidth that is important. 800 KB/sec (0.8 Mbps) is perfect for RemoteRig. I use it at K2LE/1 in Vermont, where we have 1.5/.8 DSL service. I've operated a M/2 contest station over a 4G LTE cellular modem... so it's not as much as you would think. Latency is a factor. Jitter is the bigger killer. I've had many fine QSOs in contests wth >200mS of latency, but if jitter gets much over 20 or 30mS, it chops things up pretty badly. Of course, the more latency, the slower the audio catches up with you tuning the VFO. In the Continental US, I see 50-150mS of latency on average, which is perfect for RemoteRig and K3 work. 73, Gerry W1VE Remote Op at K2LE/1, VY1JA/VY1AAA, K1TTT, K6ND, VE4EA and others. Gerry Hull, W1VE | Hancock, NH USA | +1-603-499-7373 AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:24 PM, David Christ wrote: > So how much bandwidth is needed? The complex we are looking at has a 40 > Meg fiber connection to their ISP. Would think that latency would be a > bigger concern > > David K0LUM > > > > On Oct 12, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Dennis wrote: > > > > Ed > > > > Having done this for several ops, the biggest issue I've faced is > inadequate Internet at the Assisted > > Living, Out Patient Care, or Elder care. In 3 cases where I've been > involved in setting one of these > > up so an op could work a special DXpedition, the Broadband provided for > the residents did not > > have enough bandwidth to support the usage of a Remote Rig unit. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gerry at w1ve.com > From pauls at elecraft.com Wed Oct 14 19:34:17 2015 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 16:34:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Programmer's Reference v.A2 now available Message-ID: <1444865657626-7609090.post@n2.nabble.com> Version A2 of the Elecraft PX3 Programmer's Reference is now available from our website. Changes include 6 new commands added to support USB keyboard functionality. The reference can be found HERE New commands: #BCI - get/set the beacon interval in seconds #BCL - get/set beacon memory location to use (1-50) #BCN - get/set turn beacon mode on/off #TXH - get/set text keyboard tx hang time in milliseconds #TXM - get/set text keyboard tx mode (1-4) #USB - get only, check if keyboard attached For more information on these and other PX3 commands, please refer to the PX3 Programmer's Reference vA2. 73, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-Programmer-s-Reference-v-A2-now-available-tp7609090.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Oct 14 20:23:45 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 16:23:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter Message-ID: <201510150023.t9F0Njs9005280@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Obviously most of you never built something and had to add up the cost! Getting 50-100w multi-mode, multi-band into a KX3 sized package for under $500 - dreamers! It cost nearly that just for the linear amp. I suppose you want the KX3 with 50w amp for the same cost. Not going to happen. Well maybe if its made by wooosengmoo in China (hope I didn't do a swear word). You get what you pay for - if you are lucky! A 144/222/432/902/1296 dual-conversion SDR with 10w output would be a novel idea. Direct IQ I/F via USB3. Make the bands modular slide in cards with separate ANT connectors on the pcb. Make any two bands full duplex so it usable for satellite work. ALL VFO-PLL locked. Cost $2000-2500 and you will have a parade of folks lining up for one. Maybe shoe-horn it into a box 50% of the volume of a K3s with same control area. Add on amplifiers for more power from many sources so no need to reinvent that wheel. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From bw_dw at fastmail.fm Wed Oct 14 20:41:40 2015 From: bw_dw at fastmail.fm (dw) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:41:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] CliftonLabs Z10000 Message-ID: <1444869700.2358064.410580361.0E4516E6@webmail.messagingengine.com> You might try: orders at cliftonlaboratories.com Its possible that Jack may have been overloaded with inquiries about products. But might respond when there is an actual action to purchase. -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net From eric at elecraft.com Wed Oct 14 20:49:07 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:49:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter In-Reply-To: <201510150023.t9F0Njs9005280@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201510150023.t9F0Njs9005280@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <561EF803.90108@elecraft.com> Guys - Thanks for all the new ideas regarding a VHF/UHF radio :-) Let's let the thread and for now in the interest of keeping list volume under control. 73 Eric Moderator etc. /elecraft.com/ From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 21:01:05 2015 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 22:01:05 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 Message-ID: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> Hello I am looking for information about LP-PAN 2 and the P3 SVGA Not understand at all about them, are the same? May I use LP-PAN 2 without P3 or there?s any benefit using both LP-PAN 2 and P3 Or is better to use just the P3 SVGA Thanks, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kc6cnn at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 22:30:37 2015 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:30:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 Message-ID: <1444876237210-7609095.post@n2.nabble.com> I have a Special Edition Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 057. This key is too light for my heavy hands. I am offering it for sale or trade and wanted to give the Elecraft List first shot at it. So Make a offer* OFF LIST* of either the amount you would pay or key you would want to trade. Thank you Gerald - KC6CNN ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K2 # 5486 K3 # 6294 KX3 # 757 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Hex-Key-Serial-57-tp7609095.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Oct 14 22:54:44 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 22:54:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> References: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <561F1574.2020309@embarqmail.com> Jorge, The goal of both the P3 and LP-Pan (with PC software) is the same -- to give you a panadapter display of the IF output of the K3 (K3S) or any other radio. The P3 does it by direct digital means and displays the resulting spectrum and waterfall on the native screen. With the SVGA option, it can display the same information on a larger SVGA monitor - no computer is involved. LP-Pan is a hardware box that takes the IF output and produces I/Q quadrature audio outputs. Those I/Q outputs must be sent to a soundcard and processed by a computer running SDR software (HDSDR, Win4K3suite, NaP3, etc.) to produce a spectrum display and waterfall. If you are trying to decide between the two solutions, consider the "computer or no computer" considerations. LP-Pan requires a computer to process the I/Q signals, but the P3 (with or without the SVGA option) is independent of an external computer. The P3 with SVGA option simply provides a larger display on an SVGA monitor (no computer involved). If you are willing to deal with 'computer things' like soundcard setup problems and software application setup problems running on the computer, then LP-Pan may be an OK solution for you. However, if you want something that can provide a panadapter display without dependency on a computer, then the P3 would be the best choice (with or without the SVGA option). 73, Don W3FPR On 10/14/2015 9:01 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > Hello > > I am looking for information about LP-PAN 2 and the P3 SVGA > > Not understand at all about them, are the same? > > May I use LP-PAN 2 without P3 or there?s any benefit using both LP-PAN 2 and > P3 > > Or is better to use just the P3 SVGA > > From vk5zm at bistre.net Thu Oct 15 00:07:56 2015 From: vk5zm at bistre.net (Matthew Cook) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:37:56 +1030 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: <561F1574.2020309@embarqmail.com> References: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> <561F1574.2020309@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Jorge, Don has given you a good summary of the two devices. When considering the PC path you should be aware that there is more opportunity to receive and display a much wider bandwidth than either the P3 or LP-Pan can provide. At the moment both the P3 and LP-Pan are limited to 200kHz and 192kHz of bandwidth respectively. So they can see +/-100kHz or so either side of the current VCO frequency at full span. This is great for giving you situational awareness of who and what is happening either side of your VCO frequency. However if you own a Software Defined Radio and have a transverter interface in your Elecraft rig, you can take full advantage of the RX Loop terminals and insert a RF splitter like this ( http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/ZSC-2-1.pdf). With this setup it means that signals come in off your antenna are routed out the RX Loop out terminal and in to the splitter; one path then turns back into the radio through the RF Loop In terminals (albeit with a 3.6dB loss) and the other path can be taken off to the SDR. You need to purchase the RX Splitter separately ~US$20-40 off ebay. This splitter effectively puts both your SDR and K3/K3s receivers in parallel fed off the same antenna, just keep in mind that signal levels into both the Rx and SDR will be half an S-point lower due to the spliter insertion loss. If signals fade or are weak, you can switch the RX loop out of circuit and bypass the splitter, handy trick on a K3 since there's a button for it. My favourite button actually. So the hidden benefits of an external SDR in liu of the P3 and LP-Pan are; - ability to monitor another band and wait for it to open - watch for 10m activity while 15m is running - keep an eye on 6m while playing on HF - Youi can achieve pan-adaptor bandwidths greater than 200kHz - Watch an entire band for activity at once BW > 400kHz The downside however is that the SDR's that can survive strong signals without turning up their toes will cost you hundreds of dollars, theres more software work and jigging and poking of software to get them to go. It is also possible with a tiny bit more software work to have the SDR and K3 frequencies and mode track, which means you get mouse control over the K3 where you can click on the SDR waterfall on the PC and have the K3 track the SDR, you can also have the SDR change bands when you press the Band Keys on the K3. I personally find that with a good SDR I've not felt the need for the second RX option in my K3 yet. I do however use a RFSpace Cloud-IQ that can monitor 1.8MHz with a reasonable dynamic range. Previously I've used the RFSpace SDR-IQ and Funcube Dongle Pro plus, results with both were excellent. I prefer SDR Radio for my pan-adaptor. We've used this setup in our multi-multi contest QRO contest station for a number of years, 24" portrait pan-adaptor displays are now common in our club. However as Don has already mentioned, you need to decide on a PC (LP-Pan or SDR) or no PC path (P3). There is alot of fun to be had with an external SDR too if you want to push the boundary. All of the devices discussed work as described, I don't think you'll be disappointed which ever way you go. I will however be selling my LP-Pan2 adaptor in the not too distant future. I hope that the above helps. YMMV. 73 Matthew VK5ZM On 15 October 2015 at 13:24, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Jorge, > > The goal of both the P3 and LP-Pan (with PC software) is the same -- to > give you a panadapter display of the IF output of the K3 (K3S) or any other > radio. > > The P3 does it by direct digital means and displays the resulting spectrum > and waterfall on the native screen. With the SVGA option, it can display > the same information on a larger SVGA monitor - no computer is involved. > > LP-Pan is a hardware box that takes the IF output and produces I/Q > quadrature audio outputs. Those I/Q outputs must be sent to a soundcard > and processed by a computer running SDR software (HDSDR, Win4K3suite, NaP3, > etc.) to produce a spectrum display and waterfall. > > If you are trying to decide between the two solutions, consider the > "computer or no computer" considerations. LP-Pan requires a computer to > process the I/Q signals, but the P3 (with or without the SVGA option) is > independent of an external computer. The P3 with SVGA option simply > provides a larger display on an SVGA monitor (no computer involved). > > If you are willing to deal with 'computer things' like soundcard setup > problems and software application setup problems running on the computer, > then LP-Pan may be an OK solution for you. However, if you want something > that can provide a panadapter display without dependency on a computer, > then the P3 would be the best choice (with or without the SVGA option). > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 10/14/2015 9:01 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > >> Hello >> >> I am looking for information about LP-PAN 2 and the P3 SVGA >> >> Not understand at all about them, are the same? >> >> May I use LP-PAN 2 without P3 or there?s any benefit using both LP-PAN 2 >> and >> P3 >> >> Or is better to use just the P3 SVGA >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk5zm at bistre.net > From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Thu Oct 15 02:33:05 2015 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 23:33:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: References: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> <561F1574.2020309@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <561F48A1.1010000@cis-broadband.com> From my point of view there is another consideration at hand here. A hardware interface like LP-Pan that provides I-Q signals to a PC sound card allows the use of other SDR-type software like CW Skimmer, and while CW Skimmer may not be of interest to everyone I believe other third party software will eventually show up that would be desirable to me. One that is dear to my heart would be an application that quantifies splatter and key clicks from crummy signals. I suspect that would be difficult for SSB signals, but I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't be practical for CW. Another possibility might be an app that profiles propagation over time based upon received callsigns with the rig otherwise unattended. The P3 is a panadapter, and by all accounts a very good one ... but an LP-Pan with the right software could be much more. 73, Dave AB7E p.s. As far as I know, the P3 has to generate its own I-Q signals internally. I've never understood why Elecraft didn't provide them as buffered outputs from the P3 to make it more versatile. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong here. On 10/14/2015 9:07 PM, Matthew Cook wrote: > Jorge, > > Don has given you a good summary of the two devices. > > When considering the PC path you should be aware that there is more > opportunity to receive and display a much wider bandwidth than either the > P3 or LP-Pan can provide. At the moment both the P3 and LP-Pan are limited > to 200kHz and 192kHz of bandwidth respectively. So they can see +/-100kHz > or so either side of the current VCO frequency at full span. This is > great for giving you situational awareness of who and what is happening > either side of your VCO frequency. > > However if you own a Software Defined Radio and have a transverter > interface in your Elecraft rig, you can take full advantage of the RX Loop > terminals and insert a RF splitter like this ( > http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/ZSC-2-1.pdf). With this setup it means > that signals come in off your antenna are routed out the RX Loop out > terminal and in to the splitter; one path then turns back into the radio > through the RF Loop In terminals (albeit with a 3.6dB loss) and the other > path can be taken off to the SDR. You need to purchase the RX Splitter > separately ~US$20-40 off ebay. > > This splitter effectively puts both your SDR and K3/K3s receivers in > parallel fed off the same antenna, just keep in mind that signal levels > into both the Rx and SDR will be half an S-point lower due to the spliter > insertion loss. If signals fade or are weak, you can switch the RX loop > out of circuit and bypass the splitter, handy trick on a K3 since there's a > button for it. My favourite button actually. > > So the hidden benefits of an external SDR in liu of the P3 and LP-Pan are; > > - ability to monitor another band and wait for it to open > - watch for 10m activity while 15m is running > - keep an eye on 6m while playing on HF > - Youi can achieve pan-adaptor bandwidths greater than 200kHz > - Watch an entire band for activity at once BW > 400kHz > > The downside however is that the SDR's that can survive strong signals > without turning up their toes will cost you hundreds of dollars, theres > more software work and jigging and poking of software to get them to go. > > It is also possible with a tiny bit more software work to have the SDR and > K3 frequencies and mode track, which means you get mouse control over the > K3 where you can click on the SDR waterfall on the PC and have the K3 track > the SDR, you can also have the SDR change bands when you press the Band > Keys on the K3. > > I personally find that with a good SDR I've not felt the need for the > second RX option in my K3 yet. I do however use a RFSpace Cloud-IQ that > can monitor 1.8MHz with a reasonable dynamic range. Previously I've used > the RFSpace SDR-IQ and Funcube Dongle Pro plus, results with both were > excellent. I prefer SDR Radio for my pan-adaptor. We've used this setup > in our multi-multi contest QRO contest station for a number of years, 24" > portrait pan-adaptor displays are now common in our club. > > However as Don has already mentioned, you need to decide on a PC (LP-Pan or > SDR) or no PC path (P3). > > There is alot of fun to be had with an external SDR too if you want to push > the boundary. All of the devices discussed work as described, I don't > think you'll be disappointed which ever way you go. I will however be > selling my LP-Pan2 adaptor in the not too distant future. > > I hope that the above helps. YMMV. > > 73 > > Matthew > VK5ZM > > On 15 October 2015 at 13:24, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Jorge, >> >> The goal of both the P3 and LP-Pan (with PC software) is the same -- to >> give you a panadapter display of the IF output of the K3 (K3S) or any other >> radio. >> >> The P3 does it by direct digital means and displays the resulting spectrum >> and waterfall on the native screen. With the SVGA option, it can display >> the same information on a larger SVGA monitor - no computer is involved. >> >> LP-Pan is a hardware box that takes the IF output and produces I/Q >> quadrature audio outputs. Those I/Q outputs must be sent to a soundcard >> and processed by a computer running SDR software (HDSDR, Win4K3suite, NaP3, >> etc.) to produce a spectrum display and waterfall. >> >> If you are trying to decide between the two solutions, consider the >> "computer or no computer" considerations. LP-Pan requires a computer to >> process the I/Q signals, but the P3 (with or without the SVGA option) is >> independent of an external computer. The P3 with SVGA option simply >> provides a larger display on an SVGA monitor (no computer involved). >> >> If you are willing to deal with 'computer things' like soundcard setup >> problems and software application setup problems running on the computer, >> then LP-Pan may be an OK solution for you. However, if you want something >> that can provide a panadapter display without dependency on a computer, >> then the P3 would be the best choice (with or without the SVGA option). >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 10/14/2015 9:01 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: >> >>> Hello >>> >>> I am looking for information about LP-PAN 2 and the P3 SVGA >>> >>> Not understand at all about them, are the same? >>> >>> May I use LP-PAN 2 without P3 or there?s any benefit using both LP-PAN 2 >>> and >>> P3 >>> >>> Or is better to use just the P3 SVGA >>> >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to vk5zm at bistre.net >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Oct 15 03:01:07 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 00:01:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: <561F48A1.1010000@cis-broadband.com> References: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> <561F1574.2020309@embarqmail.com> <561F48A1.1010000@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <561F4F33.8070102@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,10/14/2015 11:33 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > One that is dear to my heart would be an application that quantifies > splatter and key clicks from crummy signals. Properly adjusted, the P3, especially with the SVGA adapter, can do an excellent job of displaying wide, dirty signals. Here are some things I've done with my P3/SVGA. Also look at my P3 measurements (no SVGA yet) in http://k9yc.com/K6XXAmpTalk.pdf Yes, the P3 dynamic range is only about 100 dB and only 80 dB can be displayed on screen, but all the serious trash is in the range of 20-50 dB below the peak of any given signal. 73, Jim K9YC From dlsmith at harlanonline.net Thu Oct 15 06:10:13 2015 From: dlsmith at harlanonline.net (David Smith) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 06:10:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> References: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000001d10731$aeae5e70$0c0b1b50$@harlanonline.net> I have an additional question in addition to Jorge. I recently installed my LPAN2 (I do not have a P3). My question is that can I run my LPAN2 at the same time I run N1MM+. I tried and got a port conflict the with K3. Also, I run SO2R with 2 K3s and never made it that far to check additional port conflicts as I didn't make it past the first port conflict. Any comments appreciated. David, ND4Y -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 9:01 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 Hello I am looking for information about LP-PAN 2 and the P3 SVGA Not understand at all about them, are the same? May I use LP-PAN 2 without P3 or there?s any benefit using both LP-PAN 2 and P3 Or is better to use just the P3 SVGA Thanks, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dlsmith at harlanonline.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From mhvnmn at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 06:27:55 2015 From: mhvnmn at gmail.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 06:27:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 In-Reply-To: <1444876237210-7609095.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444876237210-7609095.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: While it's not as heavy as its older brother, the Mercury, the key is even more stable when it lies on a thin silicone sheet. If a silicone sheet, often used as gasket material, is not available, try snipping short lengths of silicone tape and placing one under each Hex Key foot. It works for me and the thinner sheets, 1 mm, allow the least side to side movement. I hope this helps you, or your buyer. -- Marc W8SDG > On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:30 PM, KC6CNN wrote: > > I have a Special Edition Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 057. > This key is too light for my heavy hands. > I am offering it for sale or trade and wanted to give the Elecraft List > first shot at it. > So Make a offer* OFF LIST* of either the amount you would pay or key you > would want to trade. > Thank you > Gerald - KC6CNN > > > > > > ----- > KC6CNN - Gerald > K2 # 5486 > K3 # 6294 > KX3 # 757 > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Hex-Key-Serial-57-tp7609095.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mhvnmn at gmail.com From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 06:40:16 2015 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 07:40:16 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: <000001d10731$aeae5e70$0c0b1b50$@harlanonline.net> References: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> <000001d10731$aeae5e70$0c0b1b50$@harlanonline.net> Message-ID: <561f8292.0dab1f0a.7613a.ffffb27f@mx.google.com> THANKS for all the replies, very clear to understand! And also need to use N1mm like Davis, hope I can do it Thanks, Jorge -----Mensaje original----- De: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] En nombre de David Smith Enviado el: jueves, 15 de octubre de 2015 07:10 a.m. Para: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 I have an additional question in addition to Jorge. I recently installed my LPAN2 (I do not have a P3). My question is that can I run my LPAN2 at the same time I run N1MM+. I tried and got a port conflict the with K3. Also, I run SO2R with 2 K3s and never made it that far to check additional port conflicts as I didn't make it past the first port conflict. Any comments appreciated. David, ND4Y -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 9:01 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 Hello I am looking for information about LP-PAN 2 and the P3 SVGA Not understand at all about them, are the same? May I use LP-PAN 2 without P3 or there?s any benefit using both LP-PAN 2 and P3 Or is better to use just the P3 SVGA Thanks, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dlsmith at harlanonline.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From hms4 at lehigh.edu Thu Oct 15 07:14:36 2015 From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 07:14:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s USB com questions Message-ID: I am just setting up my K3s and have 2 questions regarding the USB com use. The com port that is assigned to my K3s is com 27. This com port is NOT listed as one that is available on some of the programs that i use, where it IS shown on some of the programs. And ideas on a workaround? Also the comp post data rate is 9600 and is a bit slow for some applications. any way to speed this up? Howard AE3T From ptaa at ieee.org Thu Oct 15 07:19:00 2015 From: ptaa at ieee.org (Per-Tore Aasestrand) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:19:00 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s USB com questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, This is usually easy to accomplish. Please have a look here: http://cedrus.com/support/rb_series/tn1045_usbport_win.htm If you run into problem, you can send me an email directly. Good luck. 73 de LA7NO / Per-Tore On 15 October 2015 at 13:14, Howard Sherer wrote: > I am just setting up my K3s and have 2 questions regarding the USB com use. > > The com port that is assigned to my K3s is com 27. This com port is NOT > listed as one that is available on some of the programs that i use, where > it IS shown on some of the programs. And ideas on a workaround? > > Also the comp post data rate is 9600 and is a bit slow for some > applications. any way to speed this up? > > Howard AE3T > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ptaa at ieee.org > From hms4 at lehigh.edu Thu Oct 15 07:19:24 2015 From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 07:19:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal 2M xvtr in K3s Message-ID: Just setting up my K3s The 2M xvtr will only give me about 5W max output not 10W. This was a factory installed option, and I don't want to go through a re cal right away. I also need to be able to adjust the 2M output from 1-10 W as a driver for my PA for EME. I find that the power adj on the K3s only allows me to reduce the full output of 5W to 0 as one step as i reduce the IF drive level in small amounts. So the 2M output is either 0 or 5W with little adjustment between. Any ideas? Howard AE3T From glen.torr at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 07:39:31 2015 From: glen.torr at gmail.com (Glen Torr) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 22:39:31 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal 2M xvtr in K3s In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Howard, Mine will give only just about 5 W out as well. Quite disappointing. Cheers, Glen VK1FB On Thursday, October 15, 2015, Howard Sherer wrote: > Just setting up my K3s > The 2M xvtr will only give me about 5W max output not 10W. This was a > factory installed option, and I don't want to go through a re cal right > away. > > I also need to be able to adjust the 2M output from 1-10 W as a driver for > my PA for EME. I find that the power adj on the K3s only allows me to > reduce the full output of 5W to 0 as one step as i reduce the IF drive > level in small amounts. So the 2M output is either 0 or 5W with little > adjustment between. > > Any ideas? > > Howard AE3T > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to glen.torr at gmail.com > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Oct 15 07:48:36 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 07:48:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: <000001d10731$aeae5e70$0c0b1b50$@harlanonline.net> References: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> <000001d10731$aeae5e70$0c0b1b50$@harlanonline.net> Message-ID: <561F9294.1040601@embarqmail.com> David, LP-Pan is just a piece of hardware, and has no connection with COM ports. However, the software application that shows you the panadapter display on the computer will usually use a COM port to indicate the frequency on the display and may have some other rig control functions. Note that a com port is not *required* for the panadapter display portion, only a soundcard is needed for that - however, that panadapter display becomes more useful if the frequency is collected from the rig via the COM port. One application at a time is able to use a physical COM port, but there are software applications that provide virtual port replication - like LP-Bridge. LP-bridge connects to the COM port used by the transceiver and other applications that also need to 'talk' to the transceiver connect to the virtual ports of LP-Bridge. An alternative to LP-Bridge is Win4K3suite which does the same port "expansion" function in a slightly different manner. Also Google for "virtual COM port" for other alternatives. You will find more information on LP-Pan and LP-Bridge on the www.telepostinc.com website and on the LP-Pan Yahoo group. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/15/2015 6:10 AM, David Smith wrote: > I have an additional question in addition to Jorge. I recently installed my > LPAN2 (I do not have a P3). > > My question is that can I run my LPAN2 at the same time I run N1MM+. I > tried and got a port conflict the with K3. Also, I run SO2R with 2 K3s and > never made it that far to check additional port conflicts as I didn't make > it past the first port conflict. > > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Oct 15 08:09:21 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 07:09:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s USB com questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <561F9771.8020906@blomand.net> Go to Windows "System" and then "Device Manager" and open "Ports (COM & LPT)". You should find "USB Serial Port (Comm xx)" where "xx" is the COM port presently being used by the radio. Double click on the port being used by the radio. Make the changes to port number an speed as you need. In my K3S configuration the computer sees the radio as COM 5 and the port speed is 38400. After doing this you may need to re-boot the computer for the changes to take effect. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/15/2015 6:14 AM, Howard Sherer wrote: > I am just setting up my K3s and have 2 questions regarding the USB com use. > > The com port that is assigned to my K3s is com 27. This com port is NOT > listed as one that is available on some of the programs that i use, where > it IS shown on some of the programs. And ideas on a workaround? > > Also the comp post data rate is 9600 and is a bit slow for some > applications. any way to speed this up? > > Howard AE3T From valvetbone at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 08:43:11 2015 From: valvetbone at gmail.com (Art Hejduk) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 08:43:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> References: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Jorge, I went the cheapest route, and it works quite well. I use a softrock lite II which cost $21. I needed a stereo sound card for my laptop, so I ordered a USB sound card for around $14 from Amazon. I later changed to a Xonar U5 sound card, which cost $60 after a $10 rebate. It is a better sound card, but honestly, the $14 sound card was more than sufficient for my needs. The Xonar U5 gives twice the viewed spectrum compared with the $14 sound card, but when I operate CW, which is most of the time, I don't view more than about 60kHz anyway. Adding an enclosure for a couple of dollars from Radio Shack makes the whole package cost under $100 (using the more expensive $60 sound card). I use NaP3 software with this setup.. By the way, my first experience with a panadapter was with HDSDR and a Peaberry V2 transceiver. Since it is an SDR, I tried connecting the Peaberry V2 to my K3 IF output, and it worked great as a panadapter using NaP3, I then decided to buy the softrock lite II to free up the Peaberry V2 since I didn't want to dedicate it to being just an SDR receiver in this application. A great part of the fun for me is getting a project working. This is certainly not as easy as buying a P3 and plugging it in, but it is much cheaper, and not all that difficult. 73, Art WB8ENE On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > Hello > > > > I am looking for information about LP-PAN 2 and the P3 SVGA > > > > Not understand at all about them, are the same? > > > > May I use LP-PAN 2 without P3 or there?s any benefit using both LP-PAN 2 > and > P3 > > > > Or is better to use just the P3 SVGA > > > > Thanks, > > Jorge > > CX6VM/CW5W > > > > > > > > --- > El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en > busca de virus. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to valvetbone at gmail.com > From wa8jxm at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 08:52:50 2015 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 08:52:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: <000001d10731$aeae5e70$0c0b1b50$@harlanonline.net> References: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> <000001d10731$aeae5e70$0c0b1b50$@harlanonline.net> Message-ID: <561FA1A2.30008@gmail.com> David, I'm using LPB2 (LP Bridge) to handle the serial port access. FWIW, I use DX Lab Commander for multi rig use. That works especially well for allowing either rig (K3 or Flex 6300) access control to the KAT-500 tuner as well as logging software, fldigi, etc. Ken WA8JXM On 10/15/15 6:10 AM, David Smith wrote: > I have an additional question in addition to Jorge. I recently installed my > LPAN2 (I do not have a P3). > > My question is that can I run my LPAN2 at the same time I run N1MM+. I > tried and got a port conflict the with K3. Also, I run SO2R with 2 K3s and > never made it that far to check additional port conflicts as I didn't make > it past the first port conflict. > > Any comments appreciated. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Oct 15 09:04:26 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 09:04:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: <561FA1A2.30008@gmail.com> References: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> <000001d10731$aeae5e70$0c0b1b50$@harlanonline.net> <561FA1A2.30008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <561FA45A.8090701@embarqmail.com> LPB2 is a version of LP-Bridge that is intended for use with transceivers other than the K3 (K3S and KX3). If you are running a K3, LP-Bridge (not LPB2) will provide better performance because it buffers some of the K3 information and thus reduces the need for frequent access to the K3 for information. As a "for instance", LPB knows that the K3 is in USB mode, so when an application connected to one if its virtual ports polls for the mode of the K3, LPB can send that to the application without polling the K3 - in other words, it reduces the traffic between the computer and the K3. Since LPB2 is not K3 dedicated, I would expect that there would be more direct accesses to the K3 than with LPB. In other words, LPB2 is *not* an updated revision of LPB. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/15/2015 8:52 AM, Ken wrote: > David, > > I'm using LPB2 (LP Bridge) to handle the serial port access. FWIW, I > use DX Lab Commander for multi rig use. That works especially well > for allowing either rig (K3 or Flex 6300) access control to the > KAT-500 tuner as well as logging software, fldigi, etc. > From n8lp at telepostinc.com Thu Oct 15 09:07:42 2015 From: n8lp at telepostinc.com (Larry Phipps) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 09:07:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <561FA51E.2060400@telepostinc.com> Only one program can connect directly to a serial device like the K3. You need to use a port sharing app like LP-Bridge or several others out there to allow this to happen. LP-Bridge in this case connects to the K3, and lets you create "virtual" ports for the SDR program, loggers, etc. That way, each program thinks it's talking directly to the K3, but in fact the virtual port traffic is routed and sequenced within the app to get access to the K3 as needed. Here's a link to my LP-Bridge web page... http://www.telepostinc.com/LPB.html Larry N8LP On 10/15/2015 6:10 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 24 > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 06:10:13 -0400 > From: "David Smith" > To: > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 > Message-ID:<000001d10731$aeae5e70$0c0b1b50$@harlanonline.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have an additional question in addition to Jorge. I recently installed my > LPAN2 (I do not have a P3). > > My question is that can I run my LPAN2 at the same time I run N1MM+. I > tried and got a port conflict the with K3. Also, I run SO2R with 2 K3s and > never made it that far to check additional port conflicts as I didn't make > it past the first port conflict. > > Any comments appreciated. > > David, ND4Y From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 15 09:43:56 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 09:43:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: <561FA51E.2060400@telepostinc.com> References: <561FA51E.2060400@telepostinc.com> Message-ID: <022c01d1074f$8ab9ac90$a02d05b0$@carolinaheli.com> LP-Bridge is not stable on windows 10 used with the newest ham radio deluxe. It's been reported to be an HRD issue but I've had LPB crash on it's own without anything else running on windows 10. It likely needs an update. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry Phipps Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 9:08 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 Only one program can connect directly to a serial device like the K3. You need to use a port sharing app like LP-Bridge or several others out there to allow this to happen. LP-Bridge in this case connects to the K3, and lets you create "virtual" ports for the SDR program, loggers, etc. That way, each program thinks it's talking directly to the K3, but in fact the virtual port traffic is routed and sequenced within the app to get access to the K3 as needed. Here's a link to my LP-Bridge web page... http://www.telepostinc.com/LPB.html Larry N8LP On 10/15/2015 6:10 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 24 > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 06:10:13 -0400 > From: "David Smith" > To: > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 > Message-ID:<000001d10731$aeae5e70$0c0b1b50$@harlanonline.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have an additional question in addition to Jorge. I recently > installed my > LPAN2 (I do not have a P3). > > My question is that can I run my LPAN2 at the same time I run N1MM+. I > tried and got a port conflict the with K3. Also, I run SO2R with 2 > K3s and never made it that far to check additional port conflicts as I > didn't make it past the first port conflict. > > Any comments appreciated. > > David, ND4Y ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From pkirley at fuse.net Thu Oct 15 11:08:56 2015 From: pkirley at fuse.net (Paul Kirley) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 11:08:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows and Print Screen Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20151015110856.01f76090@pop.fuse.net> There have been some posts where it was asserted that pushing the Print Screen key fails in Windows. This is not quite correct: pushing the Print Screen key in Windows puts a copy of the current screen onto the Clipboard, which can then be pasted into any picture-editing software, like the Windows accessory Paint. >From there it can be edited and saved in your choice of format (like .jpg), or it can be printed. If, as is common, a picture of only the currently active window is desired, Alt-Print Screen puts only that portion of the screen onto the Clipboard. I believe that the above is true for all versions of Windows. 73, Paul W8TM From kylekrieg at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 11:43:32 2015 From: kylekrieg at gmail.com (Kyle Krieg) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:43:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + fldigi (PSK31) Message-ID: Hello all. I've looked through the help topics and didn't see my issue asked or resolved, so I'll ask it here, as I'm a digital newbie... Using up to date fldigi on a Windows Vista laptop. Signalink USB modem. KX3. Hamlib for rig control within fldigi. I hook everything up, put the radio in DATA A mode and follow the instructions on this webpage https://k4mtx.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/kx3-fldigi-setup/ My questions are 1) I don't see the whole 3khz waterfall. My filters are wide open, but there is around 750hz missing towards the bottom of my waterfall. Is that normal? My waterfall ends abruptly at 3khz, so I know it's working and I'm able to see other stations transmitting and it's decoding on fldigi. 2) When I transmit, I'm not able to adjust my ALC, which in the webpage above, I should be able to adjust that? It looks like that option is turned off in Data A mode? 3) Should my transmit signal be spilling out of my yellow bars when I transmit, or am I over driving my signal? 4) After I get done transmitting (audible tones), it hangs with the TX red light on and does not automatically go into receive mode. I have to hit my XMIT button to return to receive. Then I can see my waterfall. I've checked my macros and they all end with . I'm sure there is a setting I'm not seeing. Thanks for the responses! From rtavan at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 11:51:12 2015 From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan N6XI) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 08:51:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 In-Reply-To: References: <1444876237210-7609095.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I bought some stuff called something like gooey, sticky pads, probably the silicone material you're referring to. It is nearly impossible to move a paddle sitting on these pads, even if you want to! 73, /Rick N6XI On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Marc Veeneman wrote: > While it's not as heavy as its older brother, the Mercury, the key is even > more stable when it lies on a thin silicone sheet. > > If a silicone sheet, often used as gasket material, is not available, try > snipping short lengths of silicone tape and placing one under each Hex Key > foot. > > It works for me and the thinner sheets, 1 mm, allow the least side to side > movement. > > I hope this helps you, or your buyer. > -- > Marc W8SDG > > > > > > On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:30 PM, KC6CNN wrote: > > > > I have a Special Edition Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 057. > > This key is too light for my heavy hands. > > I am offering it for sale or trade and wanted to give the Elecraft List > > first shot at it. > > So Make a offer* OFF LIST* of either the amount you would pay or key you > > would want to trade. > > Thank you > > Gerald - KC6CNN > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > KC6CNN - Gerald > > K2 # 5486 > > K3 # 6294 > > KX3 # 757 > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Hex-Key-Serial-57-tp7609095.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to mhvnmn at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA From cathrowinternational at hotmail.com Thu Oct 15 12:43:53 2015 From: cathrowinternational at hotmail.com (Jeff Cathrow) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 11:43:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter Message-ID: I really like the idea of an "Elecraft 736R" deluxe version that would cover all the bands from 6M, 2M, 135cm, 70cm to 903 and 1296mHz without the complications of outboard transverters, and sequencers. Imagine! "Introducing the satellite-capable Elecraft KV/U3S; MSRP $2595 kit/$2950 factory-built" (realistically, we must make this a totally worthwhile business venture for Wayne and Eric in order to gain their attention first and foremost). Put it in a proper (K3S) size enclosure, give it all-mode capabilities and decent power---at least 10 watts on the highest bands. While this idea may not seem worthwhile or feasible at first; just imagine the commotion it would make in the amateur radio market. Such a revolutionary rig would totally re-invigorate an otherwise dormant segment of amateur radio and give new Technician class hams a great rig with many bands to experiment with and enjoy. All of these VHF and above bands are not so affected by the sunspot cycle so many could enjoy another realm of DXing, contesting, rag-chewing as well as emergency communications if the need arose at any time. I got my ticket in 1996 just so I could chase DX on 6M. I had so much fun and success on 6 (and 144, 222, 432 and 1296 later on) that it wasn't until 2010 that I upgraded my ticket so as to enjoy HF as well. With the K3S Elecraft has now taken HF rigs about as far up the refinement ladder towards perfection as is possible; now it is time to advance the state-of-the-art in the VHF-UHF and microwave arena and get things rolling there again. If you build a freeway in the middle of nowhere it won't be long before it fills up with traffic; thus I bet dollars to doughnuts that a KV/U3S rig would sell like virtual hotcakes and its presence would stimulate a return to the extra short waves in no time at all. I propose that Elecraft put a poll on their website where we could be counted as potential purchasers for such a rig. I'm sure there's a lot of us diehard VHFers that would hock our grandmothers to purchase one if it ever came to reality! Hope this idea takes root in Aptos. Optimistically, Jeff, NH7RO From k6um.elist at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 12:46:53 2015 From: k6um.elist at gmail.com (Steve Lund) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 09:46:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: <561f8292.0dab1f0a.7613a.ffffb27f@mx.google.com> References: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> <000001d10731$aeae5e70$0c0b1b50$@harlanonline.net> <561f8292.0dab1f0a.7613a.ffffb27f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Jorge, There is a good comparison chart for the LP-PAN vs P3 on the telepostinc website (http://www.telepostinc.com/). I recently got my LP-PAN working with NaP3. No one has commented about pc requirements. I originally tried to use LP-PAN with my single core XP pc. While it ran, the cpu load was 100% and no other software could be run with it. I recently upgraded to a 4 core 64 bit Win7Pro pc. The cpu load is around 20% with LP-PAN running along with my logging and packetcluster software. You'll also want a large monitor (or put a dual monitor card in the pc) as once you get hooked on LP-PAN, you'll always have it running! The only advantage I see for the P3 is that a computer is not required. Steve, K6UM On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: > THANKS for all the replies, very clear to understand! > > And also need to use N1mm like Davis, hope I can do it > > Thanks, > Jorge > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] En nombre de David > Smith > Enviado el: jueves, 15 de octubre de 2015 07:10 a.m. > Para: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 > > I have an additional question in addition to Jorge. I recently installed > my > LPAN2 (I do not have a P3). > > My question is that can I run my LPAN2 at the same time I run N1MM+. I > tried and got a port conflict the with K3. Also, I run SO2R with 2 K3s and > never made it that far to check additional port conflicts as I didn't make > it past the first port conflict. > > Any comments appreciated. > > David, ND4Y > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Jorge > Diez - CX6VM > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 9:01 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 > > Hello > > > > I am looking for information about LP-PAN 2 and the P3 SVGA > > > > Not understand at all about them, are the same? > > > > May I use LP-PAN 2 without P3 or there?s any benefit using both LP-PAN 2 > and > P3 > > > > Or is better to use just the P3 SVGA > > > > Thanks, > > Jorge > > CX6VM/CW5W > > > > > > > > --- > El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en > busca > de virus. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to dlsmith at harlanonline.net > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com > > > --- > El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en > busca de virus. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6um.elist at gmail.com > From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Thu Oct 15 11:03:16 2015 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 08:03:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: <561F4F33.8070102@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> <561F1574.2020309@embarqmail.com> <561F48A1.1010000@cis-broadband.com> <561F4F33.8070102@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <561FC034.9010603@cis-broadband.com> I was thinking more along the lines of an app that would calculate an actual numerical figure of merit. Something along the lines of: * you tune to a signal of interest * the app breaks up the surrounding spectrum into 100 Hz windows * the app measures the magnitude of the energy in each 100 Hz window that is time-correlated to the energy in the center window * the app assigns some sort of weighting to the time-correlated energy it finds in each 100 Hz window ... further from center gets weighted more heavily * adding up all the weighted slices of time-correlated energy yields a figure of merit The P3 can identify bad signals but it can't quantify them, and being able to objectively quantify them might go a long way toward getting some of them off the air. 73, Dave AB7E On 10/15/2015 12:01 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Wed,10/14/2015 11:33 PM, David Gilbert wrote: >> One that is dear to my heart would be an application that quantifies >> splatter and key clicks from crummy signals. > > Properly adjusted, the P3, especially with the SVGA adapter, can do an > excellent job of displaying wide, dirty signals. Here are some things > I've done with my P3/SVGA. Also look at my P3 measurements (no SVGA > yet) in > > http://k9yc.com/K6XXAmpTalk.pdf > > Yes, the P3 dynamic range is only about 100 dB and only 80 dB can be > displayed on screen, but all the serious trash is in the range of > 20-50 dB below the peak of any given signal. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > From wa8jxm at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 13:10:46 2015 From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:10:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: References: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> <000001d10731$aeae5e70$0c0b1b50$@harlanonline.net> <561f8292.0dab1f0a.7613a.ffffb27f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <561FDE16.3030408@gmail.com> On 10/15/15 12:46 PM, Steve Lund wrote: > You'll also want a large monitor (or put a dual monitor card in > the pc) as once you get hooked on LP-PAN, you'll always have it running! You don't really need another monitor card on many newer computers. Many newer computers have both VGA and DVI outputs. You can connect monitors to both of them and have independent screens. Of course, if you have a panadapter running, plus logging software, dx cluster, etc. two monitors may not be enough! I just added an external USB-to-VGA adapter and hooked up an old LCD TV for a third display. 73, Ken WA8JXM From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Thu Oct 15 13:40:57 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (mfsj) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:40:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter Message-ID: <7ra5nnjhdo9yij6tpswjcmqh.1444930857932@email.android.com> I agree 100% with you and would be a buyer, but Eric closed this thread. Fred N0AZZ? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S6 edge+, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone-------- Original message --------From: Jeff Cathrow Date: 10/15/2015 11:43 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft Digest Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Idea - 2 Meter I really like the idea of an "Elecraft 736R" deluxe version that would cover all the bands from 6M, 2M, 135cm, 70cm to 903 and 1296mHz without the complications of outboard transverters, and sequencers.? Imagine! "Introducing the satellite-capable Elecraft KV/U3S;? MSRP $2595 kit/$2950 factory-built" (realistically, we must make this a totally worthwhile business venture for Wayne and Eric in order to gain their attention first and foremost). Put it in a proper (K3S) size enclosure, give it all-mode capabilities and decent power---at least 10 watts on the highest bands. While this idea may not seem worthwhile or feasible at first; just imagine the commotion it would make in the amateur radio market.?? Such a revolutionary rig would totally re-invigorate an otherwise dormant segment of amateur radio and give new Technician class hams a great rig with many bands to experiment with and enjoy.?? All of these VHF and above bands are not so affected by the sunspot cycle so many could enjoy another realm of DXing, contesting, rag-chewing as well as emergency communications if the need arose at any time. I got my ticket in 1996 just so I could chase DX on 6M.? I had so much fun and success on 6 (and 144, 222, 432 and 1296 later on) that it wasn't until 2010 that I upgraded my ticket so as to enjoy HF as well.? With the K3S Elecraft has now taken HF rigs about as far up the refinement ladder towards perfection as is possible; now it is time to advance the state-of-the-art in the VHF-UHF and microwave arena and get things rolling there again. If you build a freeway in the middle of nowhere it won't be long before it fills up with traffic;? thus I bet dollars to doughnuts that a KV/U3S rig would sell like virtual hotcakes and its presence would stimulate a return to the extra short waves in no time at all. I propose that Elecraft put a poll on their website where we could be counted as potential purchasers for such a rig.? I'm sure there's a lot of us diehard VHFers that would hock our grandmothers to purchase one if it ever came to reality! Hope this idea takes root in Aptos. Optimistically, Jeff,?? NH7RO ??? ? ?? ?? ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 13:45:54 2015 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:45:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Hats off to the folks from Elecraft for their support Message-ID: So in the past week, I drove about 2,500 miles BEFORE I drove non-stop to Tampa yesterday. Of course I completely tested out my trusty KX3 before I left so?. radio in hand we were off to Tampa, driving non-stop and left at 2:30am. In the first hour, I noticed I had the backlight on and of course the +12DVC was not connected so I decided to plug in the DC and top off the battery. (Batteries about 4 months old.) Listening to the low end of 40 as I cruised along. Then I got a warning light on the display, and then noticed the radio was hot! Un-plug, Plug-in, field strip the batteries out, measure everything with DC voltmeter from my go-kit I made up, all seemed ok on my end. A call to the automated Elecraft company (it was well before anyone should be there and left a message.) Thinking back it was probably kryptic but they figured out what I was trying to say. One of their guys called me back and walked me through the process, I did not miss any steps. Conclusion by Elecraft - probably one dead cell (??!!) I ran it on the van battery for the balance of the trip, all seemed ok. Just left Best Buy with new batteries. All is well. I guess the batteries I bought from Frys were not as good as I thought. Could not find any Eneloop batteries in stock so I got Ray-O-Vac 2500mAh batteries. I will be on the air with my Alexoop tonight 14.305 just after Sunset locally. All is well. Thank you Elecraft. Frank KG9H/4 Indian Shores, FL From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Oct 15 14:09:34 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:09:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + fldigi (PSK31) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <561FEBDE.3010002@embarqmail.com> Kyle, Not answering about the receive waterfall because it appears you have some other things to clean up first. The ALC bars are important. Set the TX audio level correctly so you have 4 bars solid and the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter. Too much audio drive will trigger an audio 'overload' in the KX3, so set the mic gain to a low level, and set the soundcard line out slider to about half to start with. Make certain the SignaLink is plugged for MIC level, and not for LINE level. Once you have done that you should be able to transmit. The KX3 ALC is *not* turned off in DATA A mode - what is turned off is compression and the TX EQ settings. As far as not going back to receive, if you are using the PTT from the SignaLink, make sure the KX3 VOX is off. Actually, you should be able to operate without the SignaLink PTT output and use the KX3 VOX instead, just set the KX3 VOX gain at a level that triggers the VOX reliably. If you are using the SignaLink PTT, it may be triggering on noise if you have the 'soundcard' level set too high. The SignaLink PTT is driven by a simplistic VOX circuit in the SignaLink which senses audio, and with a high audio level, it cannot differentiate between a real signal and noise. Try manual transmit rather than attempting macros until you get it going. You are playing with several variables at once, reduce those to only one or two and add one at a time after you get it working. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/15/2015 11:43 AM, Kyle Krieg wrote: > Using up to date fldigi on a Windows Vista laptop. Signalink USB modem. > KX3. Hamlib for rig control within fldigi. > > I hook everything up, put the radio in DATA A mode and follow the > instructions on this webpage > https://k4mtx.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/kx3-fldigi-setup/ > > My questions are > > 2) When I transmit, I'm not able to adjust my ALC, which in the webpage > above, I should be able to adjust that? It looks like that option is turned > off in Data A mode? > > 3) Should my transmit signal be spilling out of my yellow bars when I > transmit, or am I over driving my signal? > > 4) After I get done transmitting (audible tones), it hangs with the TX red > light on and does not automatically go into receive mode. I have to hit my > XMIT button to return to receive. Then I can see my waterfall. I've > checked my macros and they all end with . I'm sure there is a setting > I'm not seeing. > > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Oct 15 14:50:19 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:50:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + fldigi (PSK31) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <561FF56B.5010406@blomand.net> Item 1. - Go to Config menu then Waterfall menu and then FFT. Set the limit values to 100 Hz Lower Limit and 3000 Hz Upper Limit. Item 2. - As to TX hanging, I suspect the audio level out of the computer is too high, thus the residual noise from the computer is tripping the VOX in the SignaLink USB. I suggest operating the Windows Sound mixer as such level the SignaLink PTT LED comes on and is stable. Usually less than 50%. From there adjust the TX Level on the SignaLink to get the proper drive to the radio. In general the TX Level on the SignaLink should be about 9 o'clock to 12 o'clock position. Then adjust the gain on the radio to get 4 bars indicated on the ALC scale with the 5th bar flickering. Item 3. - Basically NO. Go to Config menu then Waterfall menu and then Transmit and set the Transmit Signal level to about 0.25 to 0.5. If you see issues there, then likely audio to the radio is too high or the computer sound card is being over driven. Item 4. - Also open the Rig Control panel and make sure that both PTT Tone on Right Channel is not checked and that Use Separate Serial Port for PTT is not checked. The SignaLink will supply a PTT command to the radio from the internal VOX operation. Also be sure VOX on the radio is off. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/15/2015 10:43 AM, Kyle Krieg wrote: > Hello all. I've looked through the help topics and didn't see my issue > asked or resolved, so I'll ask it here, as I'm a digital newbie... > > Using up to date fldigi on a Windows Vista laptop. Signalink USB modem. > KX3. Hamlib for rig control within fldigi. > > I hook everything up, put the radio in DATA A mode and follow the > instructions on this webpage > https://k4mtx.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/kx3-fldigi-setup/ > > My questions are > > 1) I don't see the whole 3khz waterfall. My filters are wide open, but > there is around 750hz missing towards the bottom of my waterfall. Is that > normal? My waterfall ends abruptly at 3khz, so I know it's working and I'm > able to see other stations transmitting and it's decoding on fldigi. > > 2) When I transmit, I'm not able to adjust my ALC, which in the webpage > above, I should be able to adjust that? It looks like that option is turned > off in Data A mode? > > 3) Should my transmit signal be spilling out of my yellow bars when I > transmit, or am I over driving my signal? > > 4) After I get done transmitting (audible tones), it hangs with the TX red > light on and does not automatically go into receive mode. I have to hit my > XMIT button to return to receive. Then I can see my waterfall. I've > checked my macros and they all end with . I'm sure there is a setting > I'm not seeing. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Oct 15 10:18:53 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:18:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: <022c01d1074f$8ab9ac90$a02d05b0$@carolinaheli.com> References: <561FA51E.2060400@telepostinc.com> <022c01d1074f$8ab9ac90$a02d05b0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <561FB5CD.2070704@embarqmail.com> Jer, Try HRD version 5 which does not use unicode. Or use something other than HRD. HRD does a lot of polling of the K3 and ties up computer resources. LP-Bridge currently does not support Unicode, but I understand Larry is working on it. OTOH, you may want to revert to Windows 7 where all is stable. Yeah, the propaganda from Microsoft would say that there is not a problem with Windows 10, but users reports indicate otherwise. Support for Win7 is available through 2020, so I am sticking with Win7 for now. No sense in messing with what is currently working. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/15/2015 9:43 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > LP-Bridge is not stable on windows 10 used with the newest ham radio deluxe. > It's been reported to be an HRD issue but I've had LPB crash on it's own > without anything else running on windows 10. > It likely needs an update. > > From bobchortek at yahoo.com Thu Oct 15 15:14:35 2015 From: bobchortek at yahoo.com (Chortek Bob) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 19:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 In-Reply-To: References: <1444876237210-7609095.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <469921234.1028780.1444936475718.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I found a thin piece of neoprene works just great to keep a key in place, almost no matter how hard you bang on it!!! ?It's like a mouse pad, only thinner and not as large. ?A mouse pad works great, too! My Hex has not moved in over a year, hi!!! Bob/AA6VB From: Rick Tavan N6XI To: Marc Veeneman Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 I bought some stuff called something like gooey, sticky pads, probably the silicone material you're referring to. It is nearly impossible to move a paddle sitting on these pads, even if you want to! 73, /Rick N6XI On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Marc Veeneman wrote: > While it's not as heavy as its older brother, the Mercury, the key is even > more stable when it lies on a thin silicone sheet. > > If a silicone sheet, often used as gasket material, is not available, try > snipping short lengths of silicone tape and placing one under each Hex Key > foot. > > It works for me and the thinner sheets, 1 mm, allow the least side to side > movement. > > I hope this helps you, or your buyer. > -- > Marc? W8SDG > > > > > > On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:30 PM, KC6CNN wrote: > > > > I have a Special Edition Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 057. > > This key is too light for my heavy hands. > > I am offering it for sale or trade and wanted to give the Elecraft List > > first shot at it. > > So Make a offer* OFF LIST* of either the amount you would pay or key you > > would want to trade. > > Thank you > > Gerald - KC6CNN > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > KC6CNN - Gerald > > K2 # 5486 > > K3 # 6294 > > KX3 # 757 > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Hex-Key-Serial-57-tp7609095.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to mhvnmn at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com From joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com Thu Oct 15 15:17:10 2015 From: joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com (Jessie Oberreuter) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Numbers and a plug for VHF+ In-Reply-To: <561ED6EB.8020008@sbcglobal.net> References: <08a201d106aa$8384cae0$8a8e60a0$@n2lrb.com> <20956683-2C6D-475B-BB8A-6DF566D0C8A4@cox.net> <561ED6EB.8020008@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Oct 2015, Jim Lowman wrote: > At the Elecraft presentation that Eric did at Pacificon last year, I threw > out this exact idea for his consideration. > > Eric was receptive to the concept, but said he didn't think that there would > be a large enough market for such a transceiver. He's also the business guy > with Elecraft, so I have to believe what he said. The data supports this conclusion. At our annual Pacific Northwest VHF Society meeting this past weekend, I was surprised to learn just how small the population of VHF+ weak-signal operators is. One ARRL rep noted that, from the logs, the 60 or so people in the room represented 15% of the national VHF+ weak-signal community. There are 1042 logs in last year's June VHF contest (the most popular of the three); the August UHF Contest submitted log count, meanwhile, has been hovering around 160 logs for the past several years, and anyone with 2m/70cm HT has enough equipment to participate. Shortly after getting my license, I moved to Seattle and lived in a series of single-room apartments. I didn't think I could really do radio from such places until I discovered both HF QRP and the local weak signal VHF community. There is a lot of operating fun to be had on the VHF bands, but it generally takes a local community to make it work. All I ever heard was dead air until I stumbled one night into a casual round table on 144.220, and the rest was history. Here in the PNW, we have several weekly nets (http://pnwvhfs.org/nets.html) and a community of operators who are regularly on for the various sprints and contests. We also have an active email reflector with sprint, contest, and SOTA announcements. This is a vital part of what makes VHF+ work in the PNW. Yes, the gear is important, but a certain amount of human infrastructure and activity is also needed. If any of you have regular local rag chews on repeaters or even on HF, you might want to consider migrating to 2m SSB. Similarly, 6m makes a nice place for local cw practice nets -- it's a great way to get the experience of HF operating without the need for large antennas, and when the band opens up, your members will be in for a thrill! -kb7psg From kylekrieg at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 15:18:07 2015 From: kylekrieg at gmail.com (Kyle Krieg) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:18:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + fldigi (PSK31) In-Reply-To: <561FEBDE.3010002@embarqmail.com> References: <561FEBDE.3010002@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, Thanks for the reply! Your correct about the ALC. I didn't have my TX level set high enough on my signalink modem. Once I turned that up, 4 bars, with the 5th flashing was present, so I think I'm good with that item. Thanks!!! Instead of typing an email for the remaining items, I just made a video and put it up on youtube. It will show the KX3 TX red light still being lit after fldigi is done sending along with the waterfall issue I'm seeing with no filters applied. Maybe seeing this vs reading will spark some solutions. https://youtu.be/qfUnyQsrgzM Kyle On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Kyle, > > Not answering about the receive waterfall because it appears you have some > other things to clean up first. > > The ALC bars are important. Set the TX audio level correctly so you have > 4 bars solid and the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter. > Too much audio drive will trigger an audio 'overload' in the KX3, so set > the mic gain to a low level, and set the soundcard line out slider to about > half to start with. Make certain the SignaLink is plugged for MIC level, > and not for LINE level. > Once you have done that you should be able to transmit. > > The KX3 ALC is *not* turned off in DATA A mode - what is turned off is > compression and the TX EQ settings. > > As far as not going back to receive, if you are using the PTT from the > SignaLink, make sure the KX3 VOX is off. > Actually, you should be able to operate without the SignaLink PTT output > and use the KX3 VOX instead, just set the KX3 VOX gain at a level that > triggers the VOX reliably. If you are using the SignaLink PTT, it may be > triggering on noise if you have the 'soundcard' level set too high. The > SignaLink PTT is driven by a simplistic VOX circuit in the SignaLink which > senses audio, and with a high audio level, it cannot differentiate between > a real signal and noise. > > Try manual transmit rather than attempting macros until you get it going. > You are playing with several variables at once, reduce those to only one or > two and add one at a time after you get it working. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 10/15/2015 11:43 AM, Kyle Krieg wrote: > >> Using up to date fldigi on a Windows Vista laptop. Signalink USB modem. >> KX3. Hamlib for rig control within fldigi. >> >> I hook everything up, put the radio in DATA A mode and follow the >> instructions on this webpage >> https://k4mtx.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/kx3-fldigi-setup/ >> >> My questions are >> >> 2) When I transmit, I'm not able to adjust my ALC, which in the webpage >> above, I should be able to adjust that? It looks like that option is >> turned >> off in Data A mode? >> >> 3) Should my transmit signal be spilling out of my yellow bars when I >> transmit, or am I over driving my signal? >> >> 4) After I get done transmitting (audible tones), it hangs with the TX red >> light on and does not automatically go into receive mode. I have to hit >> my >> XMIT button to return to receive. Then I can see my waterfall. I've >> checked my macros and they all end with . I'm sure there is a setting >> I'm not seeing. >> >> >> > From ke8g at cox.net Thu Oct 15 15:25:00 2015 From: ke8g at cox.net (Jim - KE8G) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 15:25:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20151015152500.OUO2A.2965.imail@eastrmwml113> I, too, am a pretty heavy handed cw buff and have found that you can use a piece shelf liner, the kind my XYL uses in the kitchen cabinets & drawers. Works fantastic. Besides, it cleans up easily from any coffee spills! 73 de Jim - KE8G ---- Chortek Bob via Elecraft wrote: > I found a thin piece of neoprene works just great to keep a key in place, almost no matter how hard you bang on it!!! ?It's like a mouse pad, only thinner and not as large. ?A mouse pad works great, too! My Hex has not moved in over a year, hi!!! Bob/AA6VB From: Rick Tavan N6XI To: Marc Veeneman Cc: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 I bought some stuff called something like gooey, sticky pads, probably the silicone material you're referring to. It is nearly impossible to move a paddle sitting on these pads, even if you want to! 73, /Rick N6XI On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Marc Veeneman wrote: > While it's not as heavy as its older brother, the Mercury, the key is even > more stable when it lies on a thin silicone sheet. > > If a silicone sheet, often used as gasket material, is not available, try > snipping short lengths of silicone tape and placing one under each Hex Key > foot. > > It works for me and the thinner sheets, 1 mm, allow the least side to side > movement. > > I hope this helps you, or your buyer. > -- > Marc? W8SDG > > > > > > On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:30 PM, KC6CNN wrote: > > > > I have a Special Edition Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 057. > > This key is too light for my heavy hands. > > I am offering it for sale or trade and wanted to give the Elecraft List > > first shot at it. > > So Make a offer* OFF LIST* of either the amount you would pay or key you > > would want to trade. > > Thank you > > Gerald - KC6CNN > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > KC6CNN - Gerald > > K2 # 5486 > > K3 # 6294 > > KX3 # 757 > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Hex-Key-Serial-57-tp7609095.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to mhvnmn at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ke8g at cox.net From kylekrieg at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 15:49:53 2015 From: kylekrieg at gmail.com (Kyle Krieg) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + fldigi (PSK31) Message-ID: Bob, Thanks for you reply. Here are my mixed results. Some of these items are solved. 1) My lower limit was set to 0, so I bumped it up to 100hz. It removed a small sliver of waterfall on the left hand side, but kept the large black gap between 0 and ~600hz. Not sure if that is the way fldigi just displays waterfalls and that portion of the sideband... 2) Fixed! I think with your and Don's help, I got this one solved. Thanks for your input. 3) I changed my "transmit signal" under Waterfall -> Display to .05, which is the lowest it will go before 0. It was set at .10, so one tick to the left and my transmit waterfall waveform still gets pushed outside the red waterfall selector. I adjusted my output level in Windows for my Signalink down to 25% with still no change in waveform on the waterfall. Did the same test on my signalink TX 4) This one is solved. Your comment about PPT tone and serial port PPT got me looking at my rig control. I use hamlib as my rig control, and under that menu, PPT via Hamlib command was checked. I uncheck that box and now the radio returns to receive mode after transmitting! Resolved!!! From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Oct 15 15:54:17 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 15:54:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + fldigi (PSK31) In-Reply-To: References: <561FEBDE.3010002@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <56200469.1060004@embarqmail.com> Kyle, I watched the video. For the lack of waterfall, check the Low Cut on your KX3. I suspect it is set to about 600 Hz - meaning that you are not getting audio response out of the KX3 below that frequency. For the problem of not going back into receive, it could be either the SignaLink holding PTT active (the most likely) or a problem with the KX3 or the PTT cable. After your next trial, unplug the PTT cable from the SignaLink and see if the KX3 goes back to receive - if so, the SignaLink has a problem with its PTT output. I do not have details on the SignaLink cables for the KX3. Does the SignaLink PTT signal come in on the MIC jack? or does it use the ACC2 GPIO? If it uses the ACC2 GPIO, do you have the KX3 menu ACC2 GPIO parameter set for PTT? 73, Don W3FPR On 10/15/2015 3:18 PM, Kyle Krieg wrote: > Don, > > Thanks for the reply! > > Your correct about the ALC. I didn't have my TX level set high enough > on my signalink modem. Once I turned that up, 4 bars, with the 5th > flashing was present, so I think I'm good with that item. Thanks!!! > > Instead of typing an email for the remaining items, I just made a > video and put it up on youtube. It will show the KX3 TX red light > still being lit after fldigi is done sending along with the waterfall > issue I'm seeing with no filters applied. Maybe seeing this vs > reading will spark some solutions. > > https://youtu.be/qfUnyQsrgzM > > From n1al at sonic.net Thu Oct 15 16:13:13 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:13:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: <561F48A1.1010000@cis-broadband.com> References: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> <561F1574.2020309@embarqmail.com> <561F48A1.1010000@cis-broadband.com> Message-ID: <562008D9.1000005@sonic.net> On 10/14/2015 11:33 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > p.s. As far as I know, the P3 has to generate its own I-Q signals > internally. I've never understood why Elecraft didn't provide them as > buffered outputs from the P3 to make it more versatile. Somebody please > correct me if I'm wrong here. The P3 does convert the IF signal to I and Q, but it is all done digitally. To get analog I/Q out of the P3 would require adding a dual DAC (digital to analog converter) and some kind of anti-alias filter that would handle the variable sample rate. Alan From ormandj at corenode.com Thu Oct 15 16:50:11 2015 From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 15:50:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Keyboard list URL / feedback about non-working KB Message-ID: Hi, I've seen the various posts on this/yahoo mailing list regarding KBs that work with the PX3 (tested). Having tried Insignia keyboards that appear to work at first, but key-presses sometimes don't go through, sometimes hitting 'esc' doesn't stop transmissions, etc - only noticed after multiple QSO attempts - I'd like to pick up something that's "known good". FWIW, with the Insignia, the num lock/caps lock/scroll lock lights would intermittently turn on/off, and it wasn't predictable when the PX3 would stop responding to input from it, nor when it would suddenly start working again. Hope that helps someone looking for KBs. I looked at the one PDF I saw linked and all were full-sized keyboards. I'm looking for something smaller for backpacking. Roger K. mailed (thanks!) about an Anker wireless that works, but I'm looking for other options (Anker doesn't have an on/off switch so I worry about putting it in a backpack) before I make a final decision. Is there a URL where the compatibility list will be stored/kept updated? Thank you for this wonderful feature Elecraft, and everyone else for all of the KB compatibility updates, David/K5DJO From ad8p at wcoil.com Thu Oct 15 17:14:38 2015 From: ad8p at wcoil.com (Bill Gaines) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 17:14:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and K3/0 Mini Message-ID: I inherited a K3 and the K3/0 mini. Did the K3/0 mini come with a manual and instructions on how to interface the two together over the internet? I just need to know where to start looking for info and guidance. Bill AD8P From k2mk at comcast.net Thu Oct 15 17:29:51 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:29:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and K3/0 Mini In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1444944591495-7609135.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Bill, Coincindentally that very topic was discussed on this reflector several days ago. You may find some of the discussion interesting. Here's a link to the Elecraft manual: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3%20Remote%20Owner's%20Manual%20%20Rev%20D.pdf Here's a link to the RRC devices website. From there you can jump on a user forum and also download their manual. http://www.remoterig.com/wp/ 73, Mike K2MK Bill Gaines wrote > I inherited a K3 and the K3/0 mini. Did the K3/0 mini come with a manual > and instructions on how to interface the two together over the internet? I > just need to know where to start looking for info and guidance. > > Bill AD8P -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-and-K3-0-Mini-tp7609134p7609135.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Thu Oct 15 17:51:08 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:51:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and K3/0 Mini In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56201FCC.2020805@socal.rr.com> This might be a good start, Bill: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3%20Remote%20Owner's%20Manual%20%20Rev%20D.pdf 73, Phil W7OX On 10/15/15 2:14 PM, Bill Gaines wrote: > I inherited a K3 and the K3/0 mini. Did the K3/0 mini come with a manual and instructions on how to interface the two together over the internet? I just need to know where to start looking for info and guidance. > > Bill AD8P From pa0pje at xs4all.nl Thu Oct 15 17:51:36 2015 From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 23:51:36 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Keyboard list URL / feedback about non-working KB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56201FE8.8020308@xs4all.nl> FWIW and I don't know if that keyboard is available in the US: I have tested a Rapoo model E9070 wireless ultra slim keyboard with a 5GHz "dongle" that works, as far as I can see, very good. Of course there are no S/C/N lights but the keys respond as expected. I bought mine in a local e-store for 25 euros. Putting the KX3/PX3 side-by-side, this keyboard is exactly as wide as the two... And it has an on/off switch. 73, Peter Op 2015-10-15 22:50 schreef David Orman: > I looked at the one PDF I saw linked and all were full-sized keyboards. I'm > looking for something smaller for backpacking. Roger K. mailed (thanks!) > about an Anker wireless that works, but I'm looking for other options > (Anker doesn't have an on/off switch so I worry about putting it in a > backpack) before I make a final decision. From elecraft at g4fre.com Thu Oct 15 18:14:42 2015 From: elecraft at g4fre.com (Dave) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 23:14:42 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal 2M xvtr in K3s In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401d10796$e5446a50$afcd3ef0$@com> As supplied, both my k3 internal transverters with my K3 (notS) produced 6.5w at 145Mhz and 8.5W at 147MHz. After discussion with Elecraft support, and some coil squeezing both now produce 9w at 144.3Mhz (enough to drive my LDMOS amp) and 6w at 147MHz (not a problem as the upper part of the band is now of no interest) What is more annoying with the internal xverter is that the power knob when fully clockwise produces 9W, but when fully counterclockwise it still produces 1W (ie you cant reduce it to zero). (on no other band on a k3 can you not reduce the output to zero) If you set the xv power to -10dB fully, counterclockwise produces 0 output power but 1 "notch" clockwise and all higher settings produces 1W. The XV 1mW also has the same dynamic range issue. The problem was raised with Elecraft support a year ago but the solution is still awaited Dave G4FRE Just setting up my K3s The 2M xvtr will only give me about 5W max output not 10W. This was a factory installed option, and I don't want to go through a re cal right away. I also need to be able to adjust the 2M output from 1-10 W as a driver for my PA for EME. I find that the power adj on the K3s only allows me to reduce the full output of 5W to 0 as one step as i reduce the IF drive level in small amounts. So the 2M output is either 0 or 5W with little adjustment between. Any ideas? Howard AE3T From edauer at law.du.edu Thu Oct 15 18:42:15 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 22:42:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Request Advice re K2 Build In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you?ll forgive what to the experienced will be a silly question . . . Building a K2. Some of the capacitors (e.g. the 0.047) have leads that have a ?kink? in each side, about 2 mm from the cap itself. (The lead spacing is correct above the kinks and correct again below them.) If inserted gently into the PCB the component stops at the kink. But that leaves the leads too long, I think, contrary to the principle that short leads avoid stray couplings. So, two other possibilities. One is to ?dekink? the legs with needle-nose pliers - straightening them out, allowing the body of the cap to sit on the PCB surface. The other is to pull the leads through the PCB until the kinks snap through and come out the other side. That sounds neater, but it seems as if it?s putting stress on the capacitor itself. What?s the best way to do this? And why are those kinks there in the first place? Thanks, Ted, KN1CBR From mhvnmn at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 18:43:54 2015 From: mhvnmn at gmail.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 18:43:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 In-Reply-To: References: <1444876237210-7609095.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0C8113A5-64FE-499B-875B-D2BABC083EB5@gmail.com> That's the stuff! If is isn't gooey and sticky, yet does not leave residue, it's probably not silicone. Some pieces are sold as dashboard holders for GPS devices or cell phones, but they often have embossing or raised edges or some other impediment to full-on paddle holding power. And some are just rubber or neoprene. You want the real thing. It's also the stuff Elecraft are considering for KX3 feet, instead of neoprene. -- Marc W8SDG > On Oct 15, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: > > I bought some stuff called something like gooey, sticky pads, probably the silicone material you're referring to. It is nearly impossible to move a paddle sitting on these pads, even if you want to! > > 73, > > /Rick N6XI > >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Marc Veeneman wrote: >> While it's not as heavy as its older brother, the Mercury, the key is even more stable when it lies on a thin silicone sheet. >> >> If a silicone sheet, often used as gasket material, is not available, try snipping short lengths of silicone tape and placing one under each Hex Key foot. >> >> It works for me and the thinner sheets, 1 mm, allow the least side to side movement. >> >> I hope this helps you, or your buyer. >> -- >> Marc W8SDG >> >> >> >> >> > On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:30 PM, KC6CNN wrote: >> > >> > I have a Special Edition Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 057. >> > This key is too light for my heavy hands. >> > I am offering it for sale or trade and wanted to give the Elecraft List >> > first shot at it. >> > So Make a offer* OFF LIST* of either the amount you would pay or key you >> > would want to trade. >> > Thank you >> > Gerald - KC6CNN >> > >> > -- > Rick Tavan N6XI > Truckee, CA From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Oct 15 18:50:42 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 18:50:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Request Advice re K2 Build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56202DC2.508@embarqmail.com> Ted, Use your long nose pliers to "de-kink" the leads before inserting into the board. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/15/2015 6:42 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > If you?ll forgive what to the experienced will be a silly question . . . > > Building a K2. Some of the capacitors (e.g. the 0.047) have leads that > have a ?kink? in each side, about 2 mm from the cap itself. (The lead > spacing is correct above the kinks and correct again below them.) If > inserted gently into the PCB the component stops at the kink. But that > leaves the leads too long, I think, contrary to the principle that short > leads avoid stray couplings. So, two other possibilities. One is to > ?dekink? the legs with needle-nose pliers - straightening them out, > allowing the body of the cap to sit on the PCB surface. The other is to > pull the leads through the PCB until the kinks snap through and come out > the other side. That sounds neater, but it seems as if it?s putting > stress on the capacitor itself. What?s the best way to do this? And why > are those kinks there in the first place? > > From w6jhb at me.com Thu Oct 15 18:52:57 2015 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 15:52:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Request Advice re K2 Build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ted - been there! I de-kink mine before placing them on the board. Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Oct 15, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > If you?ll forgive what to the experienced will be a silly question . . . > > Building a K2. Some of the capacitors (e.g. the 0.047) have leads that > have a ?kink? in each side, about 2 mm from the cap itself. (The lead > spacing is correct above the kinks and correct again below them.) If > inserted gently into the PCB the component stops at the kink. But that > leaves the leads too long, I think, contrary to the principle that short > leads avoid stray couplings. So, two other possibilities. One is to > ?dekink? the legs with needle-nose pliers - straightening them out, > allowing the body of the cap to sit on the PCB surface. The other is to > pull the leads through the PCB until the kinks snap through and come out > the other side. That sounds neater, but it seems as if it?s putting > stress on the capacitor itself. What?s the best way to do this? And why > are those kinks there in the first place? > > Thanks, > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Thu Oct 15 19:25:44 2015 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 18:25:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows and Print Screen In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20151015110856.01f76090@pop.fuse.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20151015110856.01f76090@pop.fuse.net> Message-ID: <562035F8.6070101@mediacombb.net> You are correct. It's the same for Linux as well. On 10/15/2015 10:08 AM, Paul Kirley wrote: > There have been some posts where it was asserted that pushing the Print > Screen key fails in Windows. > > This is not quite correct: pushing the Print Screen key in Windows > puts a copy of the current screen onto the Clipboard, which can then be > pasted into any picture-editing software, like the Windows accessory > Paint. > > >From there it can be edited and saved in your choice of format (like > .jpg), or it can be printed. > > If, as is common, a picture of only the currently active window is > desired, Alt-Print Screen puts only that portion of the screen onto the > Clipboard. > > I believe that the above is true for all versions of Windows. > > > 73, Paul W8TM > > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 From jermo at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 15 19:35:21 2015 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 19:35:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Windows and Print Screen In-Reply-To: <562035F8.6070101@mediacombb.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20151015110856.01f76090@pop.fuse.net> <562035F8.6070101@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: Found the option in HRD that was mentioned on the thread to save the settings, you can save /Edit/update. I don't know if it's everything. I'm still writing something. If nothing else it's an excuse to write something useful to learn. On October 15, 2015 7:25:44 PM EDT, Kevin Stover wrote: >You are correct. >It's the same for Linux as well. > >On 10/15/2015 10:08 AM, Paul Kirley wrote: >> There have been some posts where it was asserted that pushing the >Print >> Screen key fails in Windows. >> >> This is not quite correct: pushing the Print Screen key in Windows >> puts a copy of the current screen onto the Clipboard, which can then >be >> pasted into any picture-editing software, like the Windows accessory >> Paint. >> >> >From there it can be edited and saved in your choice of format (like >> .jpg), or it can be printed. >> >> If, as is common, a picture of only the currently active window is >> desired, Alt-Print Screen puts only that portion of the screen onto >the >> Clipboard. >> >> I believe that the above is true for all versions of Windows. >> >> >> 73, Paul W8TM >> >> > > >-- >R. Kevin Stover >AC0H >ARRL >FISTS #11993 >SKCC #215 >NAQCC #3441 > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 20:51:13 2015 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 21:51:13 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: References: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> <000001d10731$aeae5e70$0c0b1b50$@harlanonline.net> <561f8292.0dab1f0a.7613a.ffffb27f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <56204a02.07931f0a.d0310.5479@mx.google.com> Hi Steve Well, PC will be a issue, I not have good PC?s with the radio. Just Dual core and not new, I am using two Dell 630 Thanks for the advise De: Steve Lund [mailto:k6um.elist at gmail.com] Enviado el: jueves, 15 de octubre de 2015 01:47 p.m. Para: Jorge Diez - CX6VM CC: Elecraft Reflector Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 Jorge, There is a good comparison chart for the LP-PAN vs P3 on the telepostinc website (http://www.telepostinc.com/). I recently got my LP-PAN working with NaP3. No one has commented about pc requirements. I originally tried to use LP-PAN with my single core XP pc. While it ran, the cpu load was 100% and no other software could be run with it. I recently upgraded to a 4 core 64 bit Win7Pro pc. The cpu load is around 20% with LP-PAN running along with my logging and packetcluster software. You'll also want a large monitor (or put a dual monitor card in the pc) as once you get hooked on LP-PAN, you'll always have it running! The only advantage I see for the P3 is that a computer is not required. Steve, K6UM On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Jorge Diez - CX6VM wrote: THANKS for all the replies, very clear to understand! And also need to use N1mm like Davis, hope I can do it Thanks, Jorge -----Mensaje original----- De: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] En nombre de David Smith Enviado el: jueves, 15 de octubre de 2015 07:10 a.m. Para: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Asunto: Re: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 I have an additional question in addition to Jorge. I recently installed my LPAN2 (I do not have a P3). My question is that can I run my LPAN2 at the same time I run N1MM+. I tried and got a port conflict the with K3. Also, I run SO2R with 2 K3s and never made it that far to check additional port conflicts as I didn't make it past the first port conflict. Any comments appreciated. David, ND4Y -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 9:01 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 Hello I am looking for information about LP-PAN 2 and the P3 SVGA Not understand at all about them, are the same? May I use LP-PAN 2 without P3 or there?s any benefit using both LP-PAN 2 and P3 Or is better to use just the P3 SVGA Thanks, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dlsmith at harlanonline.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6um.elist at gmail.com --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From k9fd at flex.com Thu Oct 15 21:19:42 2015 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 15:19:42 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] 630 meter and the K3 In-Reply-To: <1443566404295-7608510.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1443545585846-7608490.post@n2.nabble.com> <59298.71.74.118.201.1443536565.squirrel@mail.expedient.net> <1443559244031-7608506.post@n2.nabble.com> <1443566404295-7608510.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <562050AE.50509@flex.com> 630M has been very active and plenty of good signals on the band, I use an "old" K3 with new Synth and BPF and it has been working excellent, output is 1MW driving a 100watt NJD technologies amp. For the past week or more i have been able to decode signals from VK3ELV and VK5ABN for hours at a stretch, from 1130Z until sunrise here at 1630Z. Vk has also been copied as far as the west coast and inland as far as Texas. I also decoded the first JA to KH6 it appears the other nite and again last nite. ja1pkg Stations are copied as far as the mainland east coast. And this is with solar storms and heavy QRN here in the Pacific. I am using a standard realtec on board sound card in a old HP3130 and getting decodes up to -32 on a regular basis. If you have the slightest interest in the low bands and WSPR its time to take a listen, also 136KHZ has been active and activity is increasing there as well, check the online WSPR map and see the activity around the world on LF 136khz and MF 474.2khz. Dx is alive and well on 630 meters, jump in and get your feet wet, but remember you cannot transmit there as yet without a experimental license, but decoding and reporting WSPR is fine with your ham call. Or if you get bit by the LF bug you can apply for experimental call sign and operate, its easy to do. 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 WH2XCR From rcrgs at verizon.net Thu Oct 15 21:53:54 2015 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 01:53:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: <561FB5CD.2070704@embarqmail.com> References: <561FA51E.2060400@telepostinc.com> <022c01d1074f$8ab9ac90$a02d05b0$@carolinaheli.com> <561FB5CD.2070704@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <562058B2.9030908@verizon.net> I second the option of sticking with W7. W10 does a lot of things that I just don't need. Why fix what isn't broken. ...robert On 10/15/2015 14:18, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Jer, > > Try HRD version 5 which does not use unicode. Or use something other > than HRD. HRD does a lot of polling of the K3 and ties up computer > resources. > LP-Bridge currently does not support Unicode, but I understand Larry is > working on it. > > OTOH, you may want to revert to Windows 7 where all is stable. Yeah, the > propaganda from Microsoft would say that there is not a problem with > Windows 10, but users reports indicate otherwise. Support for Win7 is > available through 2020, so I am sticking with Win7 for now. No sense in > messing with what is currently working. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 10/15/2015 9:43 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: >> LP-Bridge is not stable on windows 10 used with the newest ham radio >> deluxe. >> It's been reported to be an HRD issue but I've had LPB crash on it's own >> without anything else running on windows 10. >> It likely needs an update. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rcrgs at verizon.net > -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Thu Oct 15 22:13:11 2015 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 19:13:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] LP-PAN 2 and P3 In-Reply-To: <562008D9.1000005@sonic.net> References: <561efad2.0dab1f0a.7613a.76f7@mx.google.com> <561F1574.2020309@embarqmail.com> <561F48A1.1010000@cis-broadband.com> <562008D9.1000005@sonic.net> Message-ID: <56205D37.9070809@cis-broadband.com> OK ... thanks for the clarification. Dave AB7E On 10/15/2015 1:13 PM, Alan wrote: > On 10/14/2015 11:33 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > >> p.s. As far as I know, the P3 has to generate its own I-Q signals >> internally. I've never understood why Elecraft didn't provide them as >> buffered outputs from the P3 to make it more versatile. Somebody please >> correct me if I'm wrong here. > > The P3 does convert the IF signal to I and Q, but it is all done > digitally. To get analog I/Q out of the P3 would require adding a > dual DAC (digital to analog converter) and some kind of anti-alias > filter that would handle the variable sample rate. > > Alan > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > From ac5p at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 15 22:55:43 2015 From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (ac5p at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 02:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 In-Reply-To: <0C8113A5-64FE-499B-875B-D2BABC083EB5@gmail.com> References: <0C8113A5-64FE-499B-875B-D2BABC083EB5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42429311.1003760.1444964143699.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hard to imagine the big ugly(IMO) hex key being "too light" to stay in place?? It must be due to poor surface contact?with?the bottom of the foot pads.? The suggested methods should work well as?should small squares of double faced mounting tape under the pads.?? Mike? AC5P? On Thursday, October 15, 2015 5:43 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote: That's the stuff!? If is isn't gooey and sticky, yet does not leave residue, it's probably not silicone. Some pieces are sold as dashboard holders for GPS devices or cell phones, but they often have embossing or raised edges or some other impediment to full-on paddle holding power.? And some are just rubber or neoprene.? You want the real thing. It's also the stuff Elecraft are considering for KX3 feet, instead of neoprene. -- Marc? W8SDG > On Oct 15, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: > > I bought some stuff called something like gooey, sticky pads, probably the silicone material you're referring to. It is nearly impossible to move a paddle sitting on these pads, even if you want to! > > 73, > > /Rick N6XI > >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Marc Veeneman wrote: >> While it's not as heavy as its older brother, the Mercury, the key is even more stable when it lies on a thin silicone sheet. >> >> If a silicone sheet, often used as gasket material, is not available, try snipping short lengths of silicone tape and placing one under each Hex Key foot. >> >> It works for me and the thinner sheets, 1 mm, allow the least side to side movement. >> >> I hope this helps you, or your buyer. >> -- >> Marc? W8SDG >> >> >> >> >> > On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:30 PM, KC6CNN wrote: >> > >> > I have a Special Edition Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 057. >> > This key is too light for my heavy hands. >> > I am offering it for sale or trade and wanted to give the Elecraft List >> > first shot at it. >> > So Make a offer* OFF LIST* of either the amount you would pay or key you >> > would want to trade. >> > Thank you >> > Gerald - KC6CNN >> > >> > -- > Rick Tavan N6XI > Truckee, CA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ac5p at sbcglobal.net From kc6cnn at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 23:02:12 2015 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 20:02:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 In-Reply-To: <42429311.1003760.1444964143699.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1444876237210-7609095.post@n2.nabble.com> <0C8113A5-64FE-499B-875B-D2BABC083EB5@gmail.com> <42429311.1003760.1444964143699.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That's why I love my K8ra P5 big dog. 7 lbs. Solid brass key with rosewood handles. I was hoping to sell the Elecraft key. I have my P5 paddle and a Begali Blade Straight key. 73's Gerald KC6CNN On Oct 15, 2015 9:59 PM, "ac5p [via Elecraft]" < ml-node+s365791n7609149h0 at n2.nabble.com> wrote: > Hard to imagine the big ugly(IMO) hex key being "too light" to stay in > place? It must be due to poor surface contact with the bottom of the foot > pads. The suggested methods should work well as should small squares of > double faced mounting tape under the pads. > Mike AC5P > > > On Thursday, October 15, 2015 5:43 PM, Marc Veeneman <[hidden email] > > wrote: > > > That's the stuff! If is isn't gooey and sticky, yet does not leave > residue, it's probably not silicone. > > Some pieces are sold as dashboard holders for GPS devices or cell phones, > but they often have embossing or raised edges or some other impediment to > full-on paddle holding power. And some are just rubber or neoprene. You > want the real thing. > > It's also the stuff Elecraft are considering for KX3 feet, instead of > neoprene. > -- > Marc W8SDG > > > > On Oct 15, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Rick Tavan N6XI <[hidden email] > > wrote: > > > > I bought some stuff called something like gooey, sticky pads, probably > the silicone material you're referring to. It is nearly impossible to move > a paddle sitting on these pads, even if you want to! > > > > 73, > > > > /Rick N6XI > > > >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Marc Veeneman <[hidden email] > > wrote: > >> While it's not as heavy as its older brother, the Mercury, the key is > even more stable when it lies on a thin silicone sheet. > >> > >> If a silicone sheet, often used as gasket material, is not available, > try snipping short lengths of silicone tape and placing one under each Hex > Key foot. > >> > >> It works for me and the thinner sheets, 1 mm, allow the least side to > side movement. > >> > >> I hope this helps you, or your buyer. > >> -- > >> Marc W8SDG > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Oct 14, 2015, at 10:30 PM, KC6CNN <[hidden email] > > wrote: > >> > > >> > I have a Special Edition Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 057. > >> > This key is too light for my heavy hands. > >> > I am offering it for sale or trade and wanted to give the Elecraft > List > >> > first shot at it. > >> > So Make a offer* OFF LIST* of either the amount you would pay or key > you > >> > would want to trade. > >> > Thank you > >> > Gerald - KC6CNN > >> > > >> > > -- > > Rick Tavan N6XI > > Truckee, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Hex-Key-Serial-57-tp7609095p7609149.html > To unsubscribe from Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57, click here > > . > NAML > > ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K2 # 5486 K3 # 6294 KX3 # 757 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-Hex-Key-Serial-57-tp7609095p7609150.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ron at cobi.biz Thu Oct 15 23:07:27 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 20:07:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Request Advice re K2 Build In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001e01d107bf$ca3b0ab0$5eb12010$@biz> The "kinks" were introduced by the manufacturer so the leads would drop right into standard pc-board hole spacings by automated board stuffing machines. The assembly manuals identify those caps where it is important to have the shortest possible lead lengths. Otherwise there is not a lot to be gained by straightening the leads and forcing the cap into place. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 3:42 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Request Advice re K2 Build If you?ll forgive what to the experienced will be a silly question . . . Building a K2. Some of the capacitors (e.g. the 0.047) have leads that have a ?kink? in each side, about 2 mm from the cap itself. (The lead spacing is correct above the kinks and correct again below them.) If inserted gently into the PCB the component stops at the kink. But that leaves the leads too long, I think, contrary to the principle that short leads avoid stray couplings. So, two other possibilities. One is to ?dekink? the legs with needle-nose pliers - straightening them out, allowing the body of the cap to sit on the PCB surface. The other is to pull the leads through the PCB until the kinks snap through and come out the other side. That sounds neater, but it seems as if it?s putting stress on the capacitor itself. What?s the best way to do this? And why are those kinks there in the first place? Thanks, Ted, KN1CBR From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Oct 15 23:47:34 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 20:47:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Request Advice re K2 Build In-Reply-To: <001e01d107bf$ca3b0ab0$5eb12010$@biz> References: <001e01d107bf$ca3b0ab0$5eb12010$@biz> Message-ID: <56207356.5050008@foothill.net> Yes, and I remember when the kinks were introduced. Through-hole 4-layer circuit board for a vehicular and aircraft application, I gave one of our prototypes that had been auto-stuffed to our Mech E. and told him to put it into his shake-and-bake, and show me the vibration spectra when the parts fell off. Every single one of the kinked caps flew off at well below our contract vibration specs. I don't subject my K2 to anything like that, but I have dropped my pack a couple of times [and knew I would], and I straightened all the leads and put the caps right down on the board when I built it. It's a little more work, I figured it was worth it. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 10/15/2015 8:07 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > The "kinks" were introduced by the manufacturer so the leads would drop > right into standard pc-board hole spacings by automated board stuffing > machines. The assembly manuals identify those caps where it is important to > have the shortest possible lead lengths. Otherwise there is not a lot to be > gained by straightening the leads and forcing the cap into place. > > 73, Ron AC7AC From w6sfm at w6sfm.com Fri Oct 16 00:37:33 2015 From: w6sfm at w6sfm.com (W6SFM@W6SFM.com) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 21:37:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] W6SFM Bug Roundup Event is coming! Message-ID: <56207F0D.9060203@w6sfm.com> Announcing W6SFM's BUG ROUNDUP The Samuel F. Morse Amateur Radio Club, a Sacramento, California based CW enthusiast club wanted a special time to bring bug operators together on the air. In the same spirit as ARRL's Straight Key Night, participants are encouraged to make simple, conversational, "chewing-the-fat" QSOs using their bug type key. This is an opportunity to exercise, share and exhibit your personalized fist. This is NOT a contest. Simply Call "CQ BR" so folks know you are a Bug Roundup Participant. Grab that bug, clean those contacts, and let'er fly! Let's hear that "Banana Boat / Lake Erie Swing" or that commercial KPH/WCC quality fist. Reserve the day! Saturday November 21st - Sunday Nov. 22nd, 2015 7:00 AM to 7:00 AM Pacific Time (LOCAL) 1500 UTC through 1500 UTC For more information and to help assist in spotting, potentially increasing QSOs, an On-line chat window link can be found near the bottom of Bug Roundup home page located at www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup We hope to hear you all on the air! 73, W6SFM From foxfive.vjc at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 00:48:13 2015 From: foxfive.vjc at gmail.com (F5vjc) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 06:48:13 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO LINK - UNLINK Message-ID: I have my K3 with dual receivers using latest firmware set to, CONFIG : VFO LINK set to OFF. However, I find when first switching ON the K3, VFO A and B are linked. The way out of this is to press SUB to engage Diversity and press Sub again to release Diversity, then A and B are no longer linked. I do not want Linked VFO/s. Anyone else see this behaviour? 73, Deni - F5VJC From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 01:17:38 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 08:17:38 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO LINK - UNLINK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3CE9990D-52E7-4BD0-819C-0693A5001BC4@gmail.com> Are you using any rig-control or logging program? If so, see if it the problem happens when the K3 is turned on with the program not running. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On 16 Oct 2015, at 7:48 AM, F5vjc wrote: > > I have my K3 with dual receivers using latest firmware set to, CONFIG : VFO > LINK set to OFF. > > However, I find when first switching ON the K3, VFO A and B are linked. > The way out of this is to press SUB to engage Diversity and press Sub again > to release Diversity, then A and B are no longer linked. > > I do not want Linked VFO/s. > > Anyone else see this behaviour? > > > 73, Deni - F5VJC > From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 01:33:24 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 08:33:24 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Request Advice re K2 Build In-Reply-To: <56202DC2.508@embarqmail.com> References: <56202DC2.508@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <0DC884F7-6ADB-4419-8EAC-F97710574449@gmail.com> But hold the capacitor by the lead, not by its body, when you do this. You don't want to accidentally apply twisting force between the lead and the capacitor. I learned this the hard way when I built my K2 and I still remember it! Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On 16 Oct 2015, at 1:50 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Ted, > > Use your long nose pliers to "de-kink" the leads before inserting into the board. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 10/15/2015 6:42 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> If you?ll forgive what to the experienced will be a silly question . . . >> >> Building a K2. Some of the capacitors (e.g. the 0.047) have leads that >> have a ?kink? in each side, about 2 mm from the cap itself. (The lead >> spacing is correct above the kinks and correct again below them.) If >> inserted gently into the PCB the component stops at the kink. But that >> leaves the leads too long, I think, contrary to the principle that short >> leads avoid stray couplings. So, two other possibilities. One is to >> ?dekink? the legs with needle-nose pliers - straightening them out, >> allowing the body of the cap to sit on the PCB surface. The other is to >> pull the leads through the PCB until the kinks snap through and come out >> the other side. That sounds neater, but it seems as if it?s putting >> stress on the capacitor itself. What?s the best way to do this? And why >> are those kinks there in the first place? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From andw at bigpond.com Fri Oct 16 02:15:30 2015 From: andw at bigpond.com (andrew) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 17:15:30 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Band-Pass Filter Trimcap values In-Reply-To: <20151012042208.STFDJ.27768.root@nschwwebs03p> Message-ID: <20151016061530.EL9V1.15395.root@nschwwebs01p> Hello Ted >From your callsign I'm assuming your are in the USA, in which case I would recommend sourcing any required parts direct from Elecraft. I'm in VK-land so it was expedient to source locally. The values I had success with are noted below, which tallies with the advice from Don and the updated errata I-3. Best wishes with your K2 build. Andrew vk6wax ---- "Dauer wrote: > Andrew ? > > What is the source? I am still wrestling with this problem. > > Tnx, > > Ted, KN1CBR ---- andrew wrote: > Hello Don > Thanks very much for the useful information. > I was able to source some trimcaps with the correct pin-spacing and a nominal range of 3 - 30pF. > The maximum values used bacame: > C21, C23, C32, C34 = 50pF > C44, C46 = 30pF > These resulted in all bands being easily tuned for peak output close to the middle of the trimming adjustment. > Thanks again. > Andrew > vk6wax > > ---- Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Andrew, > > > > C21 and C23 are good with the ceramic capacitors with the red dot - use > > those supplied with your kit. > > C32 and C34 need approximately 25 pF to tune, and your current brown > > trimmers should do the job nicely. > > For C44 and C46 the capacity needed is approximately 10 pF (the brown > > body trimmers will *not* work). > > The trimmers currently being supplied for use at C44 and C46 are PN > > E540011 and have a red body. > > > > If you ordered your K2 in the last quarter of 2014 the kit was supplied > > with 4 brown bodied trimmer capacitors (that was corrected in > > December), which were supposed to have a minimum capacity of 6pF but > > the actual minimum capacity is more like 20pF. I don't know if the > > manufacturer had an incorrect value on the data sheet, or what happened, > > but the actual range of those brown trimmers is nominally 20 to 60pF. > > > > So bottom line, the brown trimmers will work fine at C32 and C34 and are > > what is currently being supplied in new kits. > > The trimmers now being used for C44 and C46 are PN E540011 and have a > > red body. You can request those from parts (at) elecraft.com. > > > > If you want to procure trimmers locally, and you can fine 5-30pF > > trimmers, they will work, but watch the minimum capacitance of anything > > you substitute, particularly for C44 and C46. > > > > 73, > > Don W3FPR > > > > > > On 10/2/2015 6:04 AM, andrew wrote: > > > During initial build I didn't have a signal generator and wasn't happy with the band-pass filter alignment for the 12m and 17m bands which use trimcaps. > > > Revisiting the alignment with a newly acquired signal generator I found I couldn't get a correct adjustment and removed C46 - it's maximum value is 66pF when it should be approx 30pF. > > > I removed C32, C34 and C44 and all have a max of approx 66pF. I also checked C21 and C23 which are correct with a maximum of 50pF. (and different physical construction with Red mark) > > > Before I make replacements I would like to confirm that the correct values should be: > > > > > > C21, C23 = max 50pF > > > C32, C34, C44, C46 = max 30pF > > > > > > > > From andreas.spilker at t-online.de Fri Oct 16 02:44:57 2015 From: andreas.spilker at t-online.de (DL1XAS) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 23:44:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Message-ID: <1444977897984-7609157.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello, I think have a programming problem with my K2.Only one band(40m) I could not change the VFO knob on the band.But if i change the knob slowly I see that we change two frequencies on this band.Sorry I don't know which change I did, how can I change this programming in the menue?thank you for your help73 de andy dl1xas -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-tp7609157.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From david at g4nrt.com Fri Oct 16 05:46:38 2015 From: david at g4nrt.com (David Bondy G4NRT) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:46:38 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 USB Keyboard List Message-ID: <6DFD3E0B-29FA-47C8-95D6-74F47549625A@g4nrt.com> I keep seeing references to keyboards being added to ?the list,? I have seen reference to ?PX3_Keyboard_QuickStart.pdf? Where are these lists and documents? I cannot find them! I have searched and looked on this reflector and on the Yahoo group. I have also used the search on the Elecraft site! I am going to buy a keyboard for use on my PX3 but I want to make sure it will work. Someone help me out here and give me a link to ?the list.? I know it is only Beta firmware but it seems that loads of folks have installed it. Thanks in advance! David G4NRT From david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk Fri Oct 16 06:48:21 2015 From: david at g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (David G4DMP) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 11:48:21 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 USB Keyboard List In-Reply-To: <6DFD3E0B-29FA-47C8-95D6-74F47549625A@g4nrt.com> References: <6DFD3E0B-29FA-47C8-95D6-74F47549625A@g4nrt.com> Message-ID: The 'list' refers to a list of proposed updates to the firmware which Wayne has when he makes changes to the firmware, usually distributed initially as beta. There are 'lists' for the K3, KX3, etc, but they are never available for us to see, hence there is no link. 73 de David G4DMP In a recent message, David Bondy G4NRT writes >I keep seeing references to keyboards being added to ?the list,? I have >seen reference to ?PX3_Keyboard_QuickStart.pdf? >Where are these lists and documents? I cannot find them! I have >searched and looked on this reflector and on the Yahoo group. I have >also used the search on the Elecraft site! I am going to buy a keyboard for use on my PX3 but I want to make sure it will work. Someone help me out here and give me a link to ?the list.? I know it is only Beta firmware but it seems that loads of folks have installed it. -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From joel.b.black at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 07:18:02 2015 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 06:18:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] ALC In DATA A Message-ID: <0F754B33-6FF6-4259-8E89-62F3FC2E06CA@gmail.com> I will try to do this as concisely as possible so no rabbit trails are run? I?ll try by stating below are the conditions in question. Despite what you may *think*, there is no reason to talk about anything other than this in this thread. I have owned my K3 for several years. In that time, when using data modes in DATA A, I have been told consistently to set ALC so that the fifth bar just flickers. In the past, when I have turned ALC all the way down, I have gotten no output power. This has bitten me more than once. I have read other groups / boards where folks are adamant about setting *every* radio so that ALC is zero. My response is to state that the K3 (and KX3) require four bars of ALC with the fifth bar just flickering. I also know there are other radios out there (Icom comes to mind, but I?m not sure) on which you cannot turn ALC to zero. ALC bottoms out and it still shows ALC. Last night, such a discussion occurred on another group. I once again stated the K3 ALC settings. Now I?ve had to go back and rescind my comments. I just tested and I can turn ALC down so that no ALC shows and I still transmit according to the K3?s RF wattmeter. My question is has something changed in the K3?s ALC circuit? If not, have I misunderstood what was said about setting the ALC when using DATA A? I use LINE IN / LINE OUT when using DATA A. I always watch the ALC meter and make sure that I have four bars with the fifth bar flickering. In the past, if I set it for lower than that, I wouldn?t get any output. Now (this morning), If I set for *minimum* ALC (no bars, but not zero), I still get output. I do not remember this being the case but I could be wrong. Current firmware in the K3 is 5.35. Thank you. 73, Joel - W4JBB From pa0pje at xs4all.nl Fri Oct 16 07:23:30 2015 From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:23:30 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 USB Keyboard List In-Reply-To: References: <6DFD3E0B-29FA-47C8-95D6-74F47549625A@g4nrt.com> Message-ID: <5620DE32.8010808@xs4all.nl> David, Paul, N6HZ gave a direct link to the beta software on the reflector in his mail with the subject: [Elecraft] PX3 firmware 1.35 BETA available, USB keyboard on 2015-10-13 22:40. http://www.elecraft.com/PX3/px3_beta_release_instructions.htm On this particular page a link is shown to a directory on the server that contains the zipped data: ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/PX3/firmware/beta/ Of course you can use the "Parent directory" to access any previously saved data there, not limited to the PX3 but to all available files concerned to Elecraft products. ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/ 73, Peter - PA0PJE Op 2015-10-16 12:48 schreef David G4DMP: > The 'list' refers to a list of proposed updates to the firmware which > Wayne has when he makes changes to the firmware, usually distributed > initially as beta. There are 'lists' for the K3, KX3, etc, but they are > never available for us to see, hence there is no link. > > 73 de David G4DMP > > In a recent message, David Bondy G4NRT writes >> I keep seeing references to keyboards being added to ?the list,? I have >> seen reference to ?PX3_Keyboard_QuickStart.pdf? > >> Where are these lists and documents? I cannot find them! I have >> searched and looked on this reflector and on the Yahoo group. I have >> also used the search on the Elecraft site! > > I am going to buy a keyboard for use on my PX3 but I want to make sure > it will work. > > Someone help me out here and give me a link to ?the list.? I know it is > only Beta firmware but it seems that loads of folks have installed it. > From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 08:29:40 2015 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 05:29:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] ALC In DATA A In-Reply-To: <0F754B33-6FF6-4259-8E89-62F3FC2E06CA@gmail.com> References: <0F754B33-6FF6-4259-8E89-62F3FC2E06CA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5620EDB4.70601@gmail.com> Hello Joel! In the K3, the first 5 bars of the "ALC" bargraph indicator are just audio level. Traditional ALC - reducing drive to to transmit strip to control power level - does not occur until somewhere between the 5th and 6th bar. So the directions to have 4-5 bars of ALC just means that the audio drive level to the DSP is at the correct level for the transmit power control loop to work properly without introducing distortion from the audio leveling control logic. Underdrive it and you'll likely get creeping power levels as the MCU in the K3 attempts to control peak power by adjusting the RF drive level in the transmit path. Overdrive it and you may get some amount of distortion from the transmit audio gain control loop within the DSP code. The DSP code in the K3 that monitors, limits and reports audio drive levels has not changed in years. On 10/16/15 4:18 AM, Joel Black wrote: > ...I have owned my K3 for several years. In that time, when using data modes in DATA A, I have been told consistently to set ALC so that the fifth bar just flickers... > > I have read other groups / boards where folks are adamant about setting *every* radio so that ALC is zero. With the 5th bar flickering the "ALC" in the K3 *IS* zero in the sense they are being so insistent about. ALC in the traditional sense does not being until the 6th bar comes on. 73, Lyle KK7P From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Oct 16 08:33:44 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 08:33:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] ALC In DATA A In-Reply-To: <0F754B33-6FF6-4259-8E89-62F3FC2E06CA@gmail.com> References: <0F754B33-6FF6-4259-8E89-62F3FC2E06CA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5620EEA8.40705@embarqmail.com> Joel, The 4 bars solid with the 5th flickering still is the proper way to set the audio drive to the K3. Actually that is the "no ALC" point for the K3. The 1st 4 bars of the ALC meter are similar to a "VU meter" to allow you to properly adjust the audio drive. Failure to provide sufficient audio drive will cause the K3 to "power hunt" and the power output will not be stable. Set the audio correctly and control the power with the power knob. The onset of ALC is indicated by the 5th bar on the meter, so 4 bars is still "zero ALC". Yes, that is different than most other transceivers and the internet 'wisdom' which typically says to set the power to maximum and control the actual power output by adjusting the audio level. The K3 controls power differently than most other transceivers. It will attempt to increase the RF drive to try to develop the power requested by the power knob. If there is not sufficient audio, that cannot be obtained and the power will not be steady. So there was no need to rescind your statement - the proper statement is that the K3 is different than most others. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/16/2015 7:18 AM, Joel Black wrote: > I will try to do this as concisely as possible so no rabbit trails are run? I?ll try by stating below are the conditions in question. Despite what you may *think*, there is no reason to talk about anything other than this in this thread. > > I have owned my K3 for several years. In that time, when using data modes in DATA A, I have been told consistently to set ALC so that the fifth bar just flickers. In the past, when I have turned ALC all the way down, I have gotten no output power. This has bitten me more than once. > > I have read other groups / boards where folks are adamant about setting *every* radio so that ALC is zero. My response is to state that the K3 (and KX3) require four bars of ALC with the fifth bar just flickering. I also know there are other radios out there (Icom comes to mind, but I?m not sure) on which you cannot turn ALC to zero. ALC bottoms out and it still shows ALC. > > Last night, such a discussion occurred on another group. I once again stated the K3 ALC settings. Now I?ve had to go back and rescind my comments. > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Oct 16 08:48:07 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 08:48:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 In-Reply-To: <1444977897984-7609157.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444977897984-7609157.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5620F207.9040909@embarqmail.com> Andy, Is this a K2 with the new VFO encoder? In other words, does the encoder have a board attached to it? If so, your problem is that the encoder board is touching the leads of the Control Board behind it. Flush trim the encoder board and the area of the Control Board behind it. I mean really *flush* trimming the leads, there is no extra space. You might even put some insulating material (fiche paper) between the encoder and control board. The only menu entry dealing with 40 meter VFO operation is the secondary menu D19 entry. That should be set to "N" if the K60XV option is *not* installed (nor the Rework Eliminator wiring for the K60XV) - if that option *is* installed, set D19 = Y. If you have the older encoder and the D19 menu setting is correct and the problem is only on 40 meters, do you have the KPA100? If so, does it have the speaker magnet shield? An unshielded speaker magnet in the KPA100 can interfere with the operation of relays K13, K14, and K15 in the base K2. Remove the KPA100 and see if the base K2 behaves correctly. You may need to upgrade the KPA100 shield with KPA100SHLDKT. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/16/2015 2:44 AM, DL1XAS wrote: > Hello, I think have a programming problem with my K2.Only one band(40m) I > could not change the VFO knob on the band.But if i change the knob slowly I > see that we change two frequencies on this band.Sorry I don't know which > change I did, how can I change this programming in the menue?thank you for > your help73 de andy dl1xas > > From k1nd at comcast.net Fri Oct 16 09:08:39 2015 From: k1nd at comcast.net (Jan) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:08:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 and CW Message-ID: <5620F6D7.1050209@comcast.net> It's fun using the CW with the KX3 and the PX3 via the KX3 Utility but since the recent PX3 firmware upgrade there appears to be an /*upper limit*/ to "good decoding" ~ like at above 30 wpm ~ Has anyone else noticed this? I don't recall this being an issue before I updated the firmware. It is present with a direct keyboard to the PX3 also . . . {I use an older Dell L100 keyboard for that} Cheers, Jan K1ND From k9jri at outlook.com Fri Oct 16 09:25:43 2015 From: k9jri at outlook.com (Michael Blake) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:25:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Apple archive question Message-ID: Thanks to those of you that helped point me in the correct direction to get on the Elecraft QTH.NET reflector and the archive. The requirement for the Napple archive continues to confuse me though. Is it necessary to look at the Napple archive for posts that are fairly current? 73 - Mike - K9JRI From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Oct 16 09:33:28 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:33:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Apple archive question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5620FCA8.1010607@embarqmail.com> Mike, If you chose to have individual emails sent, you will receive those posts with your email client. Make a folder below your Inbox and create a filter that places emails with "[Elecraft]" into that folder. That way those posts will not clutter your Inbox and you can refer to them at any time you choose. Some folks prefer to see the posts in a threaded format (I do not) and will prefer Nabble. Even though my email client (Thunderbird) can show posts in a threaded manner, I prefer to simply have them listed by date and time. In other words, it is all up to you. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/16/2015 9:25 AM, Michael Blake wrote: > Thanks to those of you that helped point me in the correct direction to get on the Elecraft QTH.NET reflector and the archive. > > The requirement for the Napple archive continues to confuse me though. Is it necessary to look at the Napple archive for posts that are fairly current? > > 73 - Mike - K9JRI > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From k9jri at outlook.com Fri Oct 16 09:43:23 2015 From: k9jri at outlook.com (Michael Blake) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:43:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Apple archive question In-Reply-To: <5620FCA8.1010607@embarqmail.com> References: <5620FCA8.1010607@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, thank you of the answer. Makes sense! Looks like i need to watch my automatic spell checker too:) NABBLE 73 - Mike - K9JRI > On Oct 16, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Mike, > > If you chose to have individual emails sent, you will receive those posts with your email client. > Make a folder below your Inbox and create a filter that places emails with "[Elecraft]" into that folder. That way those posts will not clutter your Inbox and you can refer to them at any time you choose. > > Some folks prefer to see the posts in a threaded format (I do not) and will prefer Nabble. Even though my email client (Thunderbird) can show posts in a threaded manner, I prefer to simply have them listed by date and time. In other words, it is all up to you. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 10/16/2015 9:25 AM, Michael Blake wrote: >> Thanks to those of you that helped point me in the correct direction to get on the Elecraft QTH.NET reflector and the archive. >> >> The requirement for the Napple archive continues to confuse me though. Is it necessary to look at the Napple archive for posts that are fairly current? >> >> 73 - Mike - K9JRI >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com >> > From bw_dw at fastmail.fm Fri Oct 16 10:23:54 2015 From: bw_dw at fastmail.fm (dw) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 07:23:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 Message-ID: <1445005434.2921148.412051145.51522079@webmail.messagingengine.com> I agree with the others on the moving paddle syndrome. :-] Over the years, I've had a number of units with a 3 or 4 lbs base. On the light extreme, I had a Schurr warbler that would slide off the bench if you breathed on it! The heavy ones are less prone to move around, but sometimes it happens. I have a Begali Graciella Jr that I might be willing to part with. It takes some serious adrenaline to make that baby move. I set my paddles up to the closes contact distance as possible without false keying. For some strange reason, paddle contact noise really irritates me. Was using a touch paddle on a 4 pound steel block for a while. If you get the chance, check out the Kent paddle. The plastic paddles on that unit are heavier than most...gives one a really nice tactile sense. And it sits on soft rubber feet where many paddles today have small plastic tabs glued on which are prone to slipping around. I'm using the Begali Simplex Basic with the cover over it these days sitting on a non-skid pad. May the Force be with....your finger tips!! :-D N1BBR -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Oct 16 11:12:54 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:12:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 In-Reply-To: <1445005434.2921148.412051145.51522079@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1445005434.2921148.412051145.51522079@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <562113F6.9040703@blomand.net> A good point, often the feet on a paddle are hard rubber which offers little traction to the desk top. As rubber ages it tends to harden as well. Those with softer rubber feet and keeping those clean to prevent dirt and wax buildup are much more prone to stay put. If you clean your your desk top with a furniture polish, the wax in the polish will eventually adhere to the feet and make them less effective in holding power. I use 91% Isopropyl alcohol {found at the local pharmacy} and a soft cloth to clean rubber parts. All the black that rubs off is dead rubber. If your key or paddle happens to have hard or rigid "plastic" feet......... replace them with something else........not plastic. Also I find may of the new silicone stick-on pads used to protect table tops get slick after a period of time. Just like vehicle tires, softer rubber gets better traction. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/16/2015 9:23 AM, dw wrote: > And it sits on soft rubber feet where many paddles today have small > plastic tabs glued on which are prone to slipping around. From n4zr at contesting.com Fri Oct 16 11:16:01 2015 From: n4zr at contesting.com (Pete Smith N4ZR) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 11:16:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 In-Reply-To: <1445005434.2921148.412051145.51522079@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1445005434.2921148.412051145.51522079@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <562114B1.3070600@contesting.com> FWIW,I use Lok-Tite Fun-Tak mounting putty from Home Depot. Ir holds very well, but when peeled off my wood desk, it comes off cleanly and can be repositioned and reused. 73, Pete N4ZR Download the new N1MM Logger+ at . Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at , now spotting RTTY activity worldwide. For spots, please use your favorite "retail" DX cluster. On 10/16/2015 10:23 AM, dw wrote: > I agree with the others on the moving paddle syndrome. :-] > Over the years, I've had a number of units with a 3 or 4 lbs base. > On the light extreme, I had a Schurr warbler that would slide off the > bench if you breathed on it! > > The heavy ones are less prone to move around, but sometimes it happens. > I have a Begali Graciella Jr that I might be willing to part with. > It takes some serious adrenaline to make that baby move. > > I set my paddles up to the closes contact distance as possible without > false keying. > For some strange reason, paddle contact noise really irritates me. > Was using a touch paddle on a 4 pound steel block for a while. > If you get the chance, check out the Kent paddle. > The plastic paddles on that unit are heavier than most...gives one a > really nice tactile sense. > And it sits on soft rubber feet where many paddles today have small > plastic tabs glued on which are prone to slipping around. > I'm using the Begali Simplex Basic with the cover over it these days > sitting on a non-skid pad. > > May the Force be with....your finger tips!! :-D > N1BBR From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri Oct 16 11:19:36 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 11:19:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite Message-ID: <22064C92F8294C199D9055AB5DD9CE0F@tomsPC> Hello, There is a new release of Win4K3Suite, version 1.770. This release provides the ability to assign labels to the radio equalizer buttons as well as several internal optimizations. For those of you who are currently using other radio control software such as HRD or DXLabs, Win4K3 interfaces to the logbooks and digital mode software of these third party packages using a built in CAT router. It allows you to continue to use logging, spotting, digital modes with your favorite software while providing vastly improved radio control. The radio control features of Win4K3 are comprehensive, right down to changing Tech Mode menu items. It is also possible to export the radio settings to an XML file which can be loaded into Microsoft Excel. The feature list is far to large to list here, but Win4K3Suite allows control of the P3 with SVGA (and a hardware video capture board), LPPAN, the KPA500, KAT500 and numberous third party hardware and software packages such as HRD, DXLabs, N1MM, CWSkimmer (with VFOA to VFOB mapping). Win4K3Suite is also now confirmed to operate with RemoteRig. In addition, the Epiphan USB VGA capture board has been confirmed to work with the P3 ? SVGA on a MacBook running VMWare. You can see the software in operation here https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Win4K3Suite although this is an older version of the software (new video in progress). You can also download a free 30 day trial at VA2FSQ.COM. If you have already tried this in the past and would like an additional trial please contact me off list. 73 Tom --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com From jim at jtmiller.com Fri Oct 16 11:25:35 2015 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 11:25:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 In-Reply-To: <562114B1.3070600@contesting.com> References: <1445005434.2921148.412051145.51522079@webmail.messagingengine.com> <562114B1.3070600@contesting.com> Message-ID: I found my key moved around a bit much for me but had difficulty finding something to make it sticky. I finally removed the feet and replaced them with some 5 ply plywood used for model aircraft. You can find it at the hobby stores and hardware stores. It is 1/4" thick. That provides a surface to which the next layer adheres nicely. I then applied a thin layer of ordinary GE RTV silicone to the bottom of those plywood feet with a credit card as a squeegee and sat the key on a sheet of wax paper to make sure it sat flat. After letting it sit like that for several hours I turned the key upside down and removed the wax paper to make sure the whole surface had a chance to cure. The result is my key is now nicely "sticky" and good for my use. I'm a squeezer not a slapper. YMMV jim ab3cv On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > FWIW,I use Lok-Tite Fun-Tak mounting putty from Home Depot. Ir holds very > well, but when peeled off my wood desk, it comes off cleanly and can be > repositioned and reused. > > 73, Pete N4ZR > Download the new N1MM Logger+ at > . Check > out the Reverse Beacon Network at > , now > spotting RTTY activity worldwide. > For spots, please use your favorite > "retail" DX cluster. > > On 10/16/2015 10:23 AM, dw wrote: > >> I agree with the others on the moving paddle syndrome. :-] >> Over the years, I've had a number of units with a 3 or 4 lbs base. >> On the light extreme, I had a Schurr warbler that would slide off the >> bench if you breathed on it! >> >> The heavy ones are less prone to move around, but sometimes it happens. >> I have a Begali Graciella Jr that I might be willing to part with. >> It takes some serious adrenaline to make that baby move. >> >> I set my paddles up to the closes contact distance as possible without >> false keying. >> For some strange reason, paddle contact noise really irritates me. >> Was using a touch paddle on a 4 pound steel block for a while. >> If you get the chance, check out the Kent paddle. >> The plastic paddles on that unit are heavier than most...gives one a >> really nice tactile sense. >> And it sits on soft rubber feet where many paddles today have small >> plastic tabs glued on which are prone to slipping around. >> I'm using the Begali Simplex Basic with the cover over it these days >> sitting on a non-skid pad. >> >> May the Force be with....your finger tips!! :-D >> N1BBR >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > From k9ztv at socket.net Fri Oct 16 11:57:55 2015 From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:57:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 In-Reply-To: <562113F6.9040703@blomand.net> References: <1445005434.2921148.412051145.51522079@webmail.messagingengine.com> <562113F6.9040703@blomand.net> Message-ID: <56211E83.9070703@socket.net> Forced by college dormitory rules against nails in walls, a trip to a bookstore more than 50 years ago resulted in the absolute best material to keep paddles and keys from sliding on any surface. Sold originally as white silly-putty-type stuff and called "Hold-it," today it goes by a variety of names and colors but the product is the same. It is used to stick pictures and other items on walls without leaving marks. You tear off a small hunk, stretch and knead it until the molecules are broken and the material is warm, soft, and pliable, and then put a small amount on the bottom of each foot or pad. Even the heaviest fist cannot move a paddle thus endowed. When you want to reposition the paddle, merely pick it up and place it where you want. When it picks up enough dirt and lint over time, merely knead and stretch it again, and reapply. Makes no difference whether the feet are hard rubber, soft rubber, or plastic. I still have about half what I bought at that bookstore in 1963, and gave a hunk to a new CW operator just last month. It is easily removed if you eventually sell the paddle. I use it every Saturday morning in the basement of a local restaurant to anchor my paddle and Logikey K-5 on the urethane-surfaced dining tables while teaching two CW classes, not to mention Field Day, Special Events, merit badge courses, and general operating at home. Great stuff that will outlive all of us. 73, Kent K9ZTV On 10/16/2015 10:12 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: > A good point, often the feet on a paddle are hard rubber which offers > little traction to the desk top. As rubber ages it tends to harden as > well. Those with softer rubber feet and keeping those clean to > prevent dirt and wax buildup are much more prone to stay put. > > If you clean your your desk top with a furniture polish, the wax in > the polish will eventually adhere to the feet and make them less > effective in holding power. I use 91% Isopropyl alcohol {found at the > local pharmacy} and a soft cloth to clean rubber parts. All the > black that rubs off is dead rubber. > > If your key or paddle happens to have hard or rigid "plastic" > feet......... replace them with something else........not plastic. > Also I find may of the new silicone stick-on pads used to protect > table tops get slick after a period of time. Just like vehicle tires, > softer rubber gets better traction. > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > > From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Oct 16 12:13:35 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:13:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 In-Reply-To: <1445005434.2921148.412051145.51522079@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1445005434.2921148.412051145.51522079@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: I don?t do CW, butI know that occupational therapists use Dycem non-slip material. It comes in thin sheets and thick mats. That stuff is really great. http://www.rehabmart.com/category/Non-Slip_Plastic.htm http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=dycem+non-slip wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Oct 16, 2015, at 7:23 AM, dw wrote: > > I agree with the others on the moving paddle syndrome. :-] > Over the years, I've had a number of units with a 3 or 4 lbs base. > On the light extreme, I had a Schurr warbler that would slide off the > bench if you breathed on it! > > The heavy ones are less prone to move around, but sometimes it happens. > I have a Begali Graciella Jr that I might be willing to part with. > It takes some serious adrenaline to make that baby move. > > I set my paddles up to the closes contact distance as possible without > false keying. > For some strange reason, paddle contact noise really irritates me. > Was using a touch paddle on a 4 pound steel block for a while. > If you get the chance, check out the Kent paddle. > The plastic paddles on that unit are heavier than most...gives one a > really nice tactile sense. > And it sits on soft rubber feet where many paddles today have small > plastic tabs glued on which are prone to slipping around. > I'm using the Begali Simplex Basic with the cover over it these days > sitting on a non-skid pad. > > May the Force be with....your finger tips!! :-D > N1BBR > -- > Bw_dw at fastmail.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Oct 16 12:04:52 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 12:04:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 In-Reply-To: References: <1445005434.2921148.412051145.51522079@webmail.messagingengine.com> <562114B1.3070600@contesting.com> Message-ID: <56212024.6030807@embarqmail.com> Adding to the plywood idea, for a really solid "no movement" key, drill holes in the plywood that match the feet on the paddles - so the paddle feet fit into the holes. The real key to the solution is to extend the plywood out to the front of the paddles so that your hand rests on the plywood. The paddles and your hand will always be in alignment, no matter where the plywood and paddle combination is placed on the desk. Your hand secures the plywood and the plywood holds the paddle in place. That worked well for me until I bought a paddle from K3ZN which has more than enough weight on the base to keep it solid. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/16/2015 11:25 AM, Jim Miller wrote: > I found my key moved around a bit much for me but had difficulty finding > something to make it sticky. I finally removed the feet and replaced them > with some 5 ply plywood used for model aircraft. You can find it at the > hobby stores and hardware stores. It is 1/4" thick. That provides a surface > to which the next layer adheres nicely. > > From K7AAT at Yahoo.com Fri Oct 16 12:51:04 2015 From: K7AAT at Yahoo.com (Ed) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:51:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 In-Reply-To: <56212024.6030807@embarqmail.com> References: <1445005434.2921148.412051145.51522079@webmail.messagingengine.com> <562114B1.3070600@contesting.com> <56212024.6030807@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <0e7001d10832$d93018d0$8b904a70$@com> Don, didn't you mean, N3ZN? Ed K7AAT -----Original Message----- That worked well for me until I bought a paddle from K3ZN which has more than enough weight on the base to keep it solid. Don W3FPR From efortner at ctc.net Fri Oct 16 13:28:11 2015 From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:28:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] new to list with new K3s Message-ID: <000001d10838$08a7a3d0$19f6eb70$@net> Hi, I have now finished the kits and have the K3s, KPA 500, P3 and KAT 500 antenna tuner. Have all up and running and working fine. After getting all this hooked up I find myself without a port for computer control of the K3s with my logging and cluster control. I don't use HRD. What is the simplest route to get my USB Signal link and logging programs linked to the radio with my computer? Regards, Earl K4KAY From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Fri Oct 16 13:34:47 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:34:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] new to list with new K3s In-Reply-To: <000001d10838$08a7a3d0$19f6eb70$@net> References: <000001d10838$08a7a3d0$19f6eb70$@net> Message-ID: <00bc01d10838$f506a820$df13f860$@carolinaheli.com> If I understand what you are saying. The K3S doesn't require the USB Signal link because it has it build in. The USB on the back of the K3s supports the audio and computer control. The audo will show up in audio recording and playback devices, while the CAT control will show up as a local serial comm port. As far as I know the K3 utility from Elecraft supports the datamodes. Depending on your logging/cluster control software radio integration your setup may require a comm port bridge like LP-Bridge or such. Really need to know exactly what you have, what you're running (applications, windows/mac/linux..etc..), how it's connected, and what the end result is expected to be. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of efortner Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 1:28 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] new to list with new K3s Hi, I have now finished the kits and have the K3s, KPA 500, P3 and KAT 500 antenna tuner. Have all up and running and working fine. After getting all this hooked up I find myself without a port for computer control of the K3s with my logging and cluster control. I don't use HRD. What is the simplest route to get my USB Signal link and logging programs linked to the radio with my computer? Regards, Earl K4KAY ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From pauls at elecraft.com Fri Oct 16 13:42:59 2015 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:42:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 USB Keyboard List In-Reply-To: <6DFD3E0B-29FA-47C8-95D6-74F47549625A@g4nrt.com> References: <6DFD3E0B-29FA-47C8-95D6-74F47549625A@g4nrt.com> Message-ID: <1445017379940-7609179.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi David, The list you speak of is a document that I am working on right now that lists the keyboard makes and models that have been tested with the Elecraft PX3. This information is coming from customers and myself. Until I finish adding keyboards to the list and publishing it on the Elecraft website, here is a temporary link to my current list: px3_keyboard_list_A2.pdf https://elecraft.egnyte.com/dl/uxe0dNf0F2 73, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-USB-Keyboard-List-tp7609158p7609179.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Oct 16 13:46:15 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:46:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] new to list with new K3s In-Reply-To: <00bc01d10838$f506a820$df13f860$@carolinaheli.com> References: <000001d10838$08a7a3d0$19f6eb70$@net> <00bc01d10838$f506a820$df13f860$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: If you?ve run out of USB ports, get a USB hub. wunder Walter Underwood wunder at wunderwood.org http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Oct 16, 2015, at 10:34 AM, wrote: > > If I understand what you are saying. > The K3S doesn't require the USB Signal link because it has it build in. The > USB on the back of the K3s supports the audio and computer control. The audo > will show up in audio recording and playback devices, while the CAT control > will show up as a local serial comm port. > > As far as I know the K3 utility from Elecraft supports the datamodes. > Depending on your logging/cluster control software radio integration your > setup may require a comm port bridge like LP-Bridge or such. > > Really need to know exactly what you have, what you're running > (applications, windows/mac/linux..etc..), how it's connected, and what the > end result is expected to be. > > > > Jerry Moore > CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists > AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 > http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB > An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and > Patriotic. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > efortner > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 1:28 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] new to list with new K3s > > Hi, I have now finished the kits and have the K3s, KPA 500, P3 and KAT 500 > antenna tuner. Have all up and running and working fine. > > After getting all this hooked up I find myself without a port for computer > control of the K3s with my logging and cluster control. > > I don't use HRD. What is the simplest route to get my USB Signal link and > logging programs linked to the radio with my computer? > > > > Regards, Earl K4KAY > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From efortner at ctc.net Fri Oct 16 13:48:02 2015 From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:48:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] new to list with new K3s In-Reply-To: <00bc01d10838$f506a820$df13f860$@carolinaheli.com> References: <000001d10838$08a7a3d0$19f6eb70$@net> <00bc01d10838$f506a820$df13f860$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <000e01d1083a$ce147e70$6a3d7b50$@net> I have the K3s, KAP 500, P3 and KAT 500 all connected per the manual. Windows 7 and use Log4OM and DX Cluster, run SSB, CW, Rtty and plan on doing digital. I have had no success connecting to Log4OM using the usb com port on the top left of back side of K3s but no problem with downloads from Elecraft. Earl, K4KAY -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Moore [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] On Behalf Of ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 1:35 PM To: 'efortner'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] new to list with new K3s If I understand what you are saying. The K3S doesn't require the USB Signal link because it has it build in. The USB on the back of the K3s supports the audio and computer control. The audo will show up in audio recording and playback devices, while the CAT control will show up as a local serial comm port. As far as I know the K3 utility from Elecraft supports the datamodes. Depending on your logging/cluster control software radio integration your setup may require a comm port bridge like LP-Bridge or such. Really need to know exactly what you have, what you're running (applications, windows/mac/linux..etc..), how it's connected, and what the end result is expected to be. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of efortner Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 1:28 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] new to list with new K3s Hi, I have now finished the kits and have the K3s, KPA 500, P3 and KAT 500 antenna tuner. Have all up and running and working fine. After getting all this hooked up I find myself without a port for computer control of the K3s with my logging and cluster control. I don't use HRD. What is the simplest route to get my USB Signal link and logging programs linked to the radio with my computer? Regards, Earl K4KAY ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From wes at triconet.org Fri Oct 16 13:49:02 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:49:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] new to list with new K3s In-Reply-To: <000001d10838$08a7a3d0$19f6eb70$@net> References: <000001d10838$08a7a3d0$19f6eb70$@net> Message-ID: <5621388E.4050004@triconet.org> LP-Bridge. But you don't need the Signalink. On 10/16/2015 10:28 AM, efortner wrote: > Hi, I have now finished the kits and have the K3s, KPA 500, P3 and KAT 500 > antenna tuner. Have all up and running and working fine. > > After getting all this hooked up I find myself without a port for computer > control of the K3s with my logging and cluster control. > > I don't use HRD. What is the simplest route to get my USB Signal link and > logging programs linked to the radio with my computer? > > > > Regards, Earl K4KAY > > ______________________________________________________________ > From georgek5kg at aol.com Fri Oct 16 14:16:04 2015 From: georgek5kg at aol.com (George K5KG) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:16:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 In-Reply-To: <56212024.6030807@embarqmail.com> References: <1445005434.2921148.412051145.51522079@webmail.messagingengine.com> <562114B1.3070600@contesting.com> <56212024.6030807@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <56213EE4.8080808@aol.com> Those rubbery little mats that keep a cell phone from slipping off a car's dashboard will keep a keyer paddle from walking around the desk. Never tried it with a keyer paddle on a dashboard, however! 73, George, K5KG On 10/16/2015 12:04 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Adding to the plywood idea, for a really solid "no movement" key, > drill holes in the plywood that match the feet on the paddles - so the > paddle feet fit into the holes. > The real key to the solution is to extend the plywood out to the front > of the paddles so that your hand rests on the plywood. The paddles > and your hand will always be in alignment, no matter where the plywood > and paddle combination is placed on the desk. Your hand secures the > plywood and the plywood holds the paddle in place. > > That worked well for me until I bought a paddle from K3ZN which has > more than enough weight on the base to keep it solid. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 10/16/2015 11:25 AM, Jim Miller wrote: >> I found my key moved around a bit much for me but had difficulty finding >> something to make it sticky. I finally removed the feet and replaced >> them >> with some 5 ply plywood used for model aircraft. You can find it at the >> hobby stores and hardware stores. It is 1/4" thick. That provides a >> surface >> to which the next layer adheres nicely. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to georgek5kg at aol.com -- George Wagner, K5KG Sarasota, FL 941-400-1960 From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Oct 16 14:30:00 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:30:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 In-Reply-To: <0e7001d10832$d93018d0$8b904a70$@com> References: <1445005434.2921148.412051145.51522079@webmail.messagingengine.com> <562114B1.3070600@contesting.com> <56212024.6030807@embarqmail.com> <0e7001d10832$d93018d0$8b904a70$@com> Message-ID: <56214228.6090603@embarqmail.com> Ed, Sorry, but yes that should have been Tony, N3ZN. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/16/2015 12:51 PM, Ed wrote: > Don, didn't you mean, N3ZN? > > Ed K7AAT > > > -----Original Message----- > > That worked well for me until I bought a paddle from K3ZN which has more > than enough weight on the base to keep it solid. > > Don W3FPR > > From andreas.spilker at t-online.de Fri Oct 16 15:21:47 2015 From: andreas.spilker at t-online.de (DL1XAS) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 12:21:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 In-Reply-To: <5620F207.9040909@embarqmail.com> References: <1444977897984-7609157.post@n2.nabble.com> <5620F207.9040909@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1445023307988-7609184.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello Don, I have the number K2 6345 and I have also the KPA100 and the 160m module. I looked at the KPA100SHLDKT , I think I could integrate for the future? I have been written all the configuration of the settings i had done before, and then i took the 456.. and all is okay now. The channel hopping may be the problem, but I couldn't resume it. So thanks for You DON 73 de andy from Hamburg -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-tp7609157p7609184.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From joel.b.black at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 15:25:12 2015 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:25:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] ALC In DATA A In-Reply-To: <0F754B33-6FF6-4259-8E89-62F3FC2E06CA@gmail.com> References: <0F754B33-6FF6-4259-8E89-62F3FC2E06CA@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded. It sure cleared it up for me. It was explained very well. 73, Joel - W4JBB > On Oct 16, 2015, at 6:18 AM, Joel Black wrote: > > I will try to do this as concisely as possible so no rabbit trails are run? I?ll try by stating below are the conditions in question. Despite what you may *think*, there is no reason to talk about anything other than this in this thread. > > I have owned my K3 for several years. In that time, when using data modes in DATA A, I have been told consistently to set ALC so that the fifth bar just flickers. In the past, when I have turned ALC all the way down, I have gotten no output power. This has bitten me more than once. > > I have read other groups / boards where folks are adamant about setting *every* radio so that ALC is zero. My response is to state that the K3 (and KX3) require four bars of ALC with the fifth bar just flickering. I also know there are other radios out there (Icom comes to mind, but I?m not sure) on which you cannot turn ALC to zero. ALC bottoms out and it still shows ALC. > > Last night, such a discussion occurred on another group. I once again stated the K3 ALC settings. Now I?ve had to go back and rescind my comments. > > I just tested and I can turn ALC down so that no ALC shows and I still transmit according to the K3?s RF wattmeter. > > My question is has something changed in the K3?s ALC circuit? If not, have I misunderstood what was said about setting the ALC when using DATA A? > > I use LINE IN / LINE OUT when using DATA A. I always watch the ALC meter and make sure that I have four bars with the fifth bar flickering. In the past, if I set it for lower than that, I wouldn?t get any output. Now (this morning), If I set for *minimum* ALC (no bars, but not zero), I still get output. I do not remember this being the case but I could be wrong. > > Current firmware in the K3 is 5.35. > > Thank you. > > 73, > Joel - W4JBB From pauls at elecraft.com Fri Oct 16 15:27:18 2015 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 12:27:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 and CW In-Reply-To: <5620F6D7.1050209@comcast.net> References: <5620F6D7.1050209@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1445023638958-7609186.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Jan, Make sure that you do not have the PX3 Utility active while you are trying to use the PX3 keyboard, or vice verse. The KX3's CW decode can only be 'fed' to one place. You will certainly see dropped characters if the utility is active while using the keyboard. 73, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-and-CW-tp7609165p7609186.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Oct 16 15:49:38 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:49:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 In-Reply-To: <1445023307988-7609184.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444977897984-7609157.post@n2.nabble.com> <5620F207.9040909@embarqmail.com> <1445023307988-7609184.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <562154D2.3070805@embarqmail.com> Andy, Your K2 should have the old encoder, and the KPA100 shield and speaker magnet shield should be the latest. Yes, if you set Channel Hopping on, that would create something similar to your observations if you had set memories on 40 meters. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/16/2015 3:21 PM, DL1XAS wrote: > Hello Don, > > I have the number K2 6345 and I have also the KPA100 and the 160m module. > I looked at the KPA100SHLDKT , I think I could integrate for the future? > I have been written all the configuration of the settings i had done before, > and then i took the 456.. > and all is okay now. The channel hopping may be the problem, but I couldn't > resume it. > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Fri Oct 16 16:09:40 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:09:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] new to list with new K3s In-Reply-To: <000001d10838$08a7a3d0$19f6eb70$@net> References: <000001d10838$08a7a3d0$19f6eb70$@net> Message-ID: <56215984.3070902@embarqmail.com> Earl, If you have only one software application (a logger for instance), then you can connect it to the COM port formed by the K3S USB connection. Your SignaLink does not use a COM port, it is basically a USB soundcard. If you have run out of USB ports, you can use a USB hub (best if it is a powered hub). If OTOH, you have multiple software applications that want to connect to the K3S ... Use a software application that provides virtual ports. LP-Bridge from www.telepostinc.com is one that works well - except it does not yet support Unicode and will not work with Ham Radio Deluxe ver 6 (it does work with HRD 5). That will allow you to connect with your logger and other software applications. LP-Bridge connects to the K3 and the other applications connect to the virtual ports of LP-Bridge. Lots of support for LPB available on the LP-Pan Yahoo Group. Note that there is an LPB2, and that is *not* an update to LP-Bridge. LP-Bridge is K3 specific, LPB2 is for support of other transceivers. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/16/2015 1:28 PM, efortner wrote: > Hi, I have now finished the kits and have the K3s, KPA 500, P3 and KAT 500 > antenna tuner. Have all up and running and working fine. > > After getting all this hooked up I find myself without a port for computer > control of the K3s with my logging and cluster control. > > I don't use HRD. What is the simplest route to get my USB Signal link and > logging programs linked to the radio with my computer? > > > > Regards, Earl K4KAY > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From ppauly at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 17:18:27 2015 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:18:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] new to list with new K3s In-Reply-To: <000001d10838$08a7a3d0$19f6eb70$@net> References: <000001d10838$08a7a3d0$19f6eb70$@net> Message-ID: You'll need to enable the USB interface in the menu (RS232). Elecraft probably should have made USB the default on the K3S. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2015, at 12:28, efortner wrote: > > Hi, I have now finished the kits and have the K3s, KPA 500, P3 and KAT 500 > antenna tuner. Have all up and running and working fine. > > After getting all this hooked up I find myself without a port for computer > control of the K3s with my logging and cluster control. > > I don't use HRD. What is the simplest route to get my USB Signal link and > logging programs linked to the radio with my computer? > > > > Regards, Earl K4KAY > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ppauly at gmail.com From K7AAT at Yahoo.com Fri Oct 16 18:24:37 2015 From: K7AAT at Yahoo.com (Ed) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:24:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? In-Reply-To: References: <000001d10838$08a7a3d0$19f6eb70$@net> Message-ID: <0ed701d10861$7230b660$56922320$@com> I have a KX3. I would like to use my computer and laptop ( Windows 7 and Windows 8 ) to display a spectrum from my KX3, using the RX I/Q output. What is the simplest and recommended easiest way to do this? NaP3 ? I use my KX3 mostly on digital modes .... with SignaLink USB interface and sometimes with just the laptop soundcard interface. Ed K7AAT From kd0bcf at yahoo.com Fri Oct 16 19:46:34 2015 From: kd0bcf at yahoo.com (Tom Fitzgerald) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 18:46:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 for sale Message-ID: <407B71AC-84C9-4982-96DC-BC228BF4BF97@yahoo.com> Elecraft K3/100 factory assembled transceiver for sale. This radio is serial number 3494 and is in absolutely flawless condition, not even the slightest blemish and it comes from a smoke free, pet free, kid free & climate controlled environment. It's been kept under a dust cover from day one as has all of my equipment. This radio has maybe 10 hours of use max on it. It is offered with the following options for $2,300 plus freight: K3/100-F 2.8kHz, 8-pole filter 2.1kHz, 8-pole filter 1.8kHz, 8-pole filter 400Hz, 8-pole filter 6kHz, 8-pole filter K3 TCXO KXV3, Transverter Interface MH2, Hand mike (never used) Fred Cady 298 page manual 2nd edition. This radio ships in the original factory box with all the original paperwork including the manual provided by Elecraft. Reason for sale...lack of interest in the hobby these days. I'm good via PayPal & will provide any additional info or high resolution pics if needed. The radio can be seen on my QRZ'd page as well. If interested, contact me at: kd0bcf at yahoo.com From jmaass at k8nd.com Fri Oct 16 20:13:52 2015 From: jmaass at k8nd.com (Jeff Maass K8ND) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:13:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Configuration/Menu Item Spreadsheet With Default Values? Message-ID: <007101d10870$b59671b0$20c35510$@k8nd.com> I've seen reference to an Excel spreadsheet listing all the Config and Menu items for the K3, but I've been unable to find a copy. Where might such a spreadsheet be found? 73, Jeff K8ND From jim at n7us.net Fri Oct 16 20:27:50 2015 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 19:27:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Configuration/Menu Item Spreadsheet With Default Values? In-Reply-To: <007101d10870$b59671b0$20c35510$@k8nd.com> References: <007101d10870$b59671b0$20c35510$@k8nd.com> Message-ID: <009e01d10872$a86832b0$f9389810$@net> I created one, copying from the manual with Eric permission. It hasn't been updated to reflect additions since the manual was prepared. I uploaded it to the Elecraft_K3 Yahoo Group Files, https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/files and it's still there. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- I've seen reference to an Excel spreadsheet listing all the Config and Menu items for the K3, but I've been unable to find a copy. Where might such a spreadsheet be found? 73, Jeff K8ND From jbollit at outlook.com Fri Oct 16 21:01:02 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 18:01:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? Message-ID: I just got my K3 back from Elecraft. They did the once over and installed the new SYN boards. I have noticed a "popping" noise in the headphones as I change the bandwidth control, but ONLY as I transition from 200 Hz, 150 Hz, 100 Hz and 50 Hz. I have only checked this in the CW mode. This popping noise was not there before sending the rig in. I have the 500 Hz and 200 Hz crystal roofing filters installed, which is the same configuration as I had before sending it to Elecraft. Any thoughts? Tnx Jim W6AIM . From jmaass at k8nd.com Fri Oct 16 22:06:53 2015 From: jmaass at k8nd.com (Jeff Maass K8ND) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 22:06:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Configuration/Menu Item Spreadsheet With Default Values? In-Reply-To: <009e01d10872$a86832b0$f9389810$@net> References: <007101d10870$b59671b0$20c35510$@k8nd.com> <009e01d10872$a86832b0$f9389810$@net> Message-ID: <009e01d10880$80279990$8076ccb0$@k8nd.com> G'day Jim: Thanks! WB6RSE sent a copy of your spreadsheet and his modified version of it. My use is to help with harmonizing the five or six K3 radios we will have at PJ2T prior to CQWW CW. Last year, we had one operator-owned K3 that was so messed up that no one was willing to use it (AGC, and other stuff as well). This year, we'll record setting in the spreadsheet on all radios and check for divergences. Thanks again! 73, Jeff K8ND -----Original Message----- From: Jim N7US [mailto:jim at n7us.net] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:28 PM To: 'Jeff Maass K8ND' ; 'Elecraft Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Configuration/Menu Item Spreadsheet With Default Values? I created one, copying from the manual with Eric permission. It hasn't been updated to reflect additions since the manual was prepared. I uploaded it to the Elecraft_K3 Yahoo Group Files, https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Elecraft_K3/files and it's still there. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- I've seen reference to an Excel spreadsheet listing all the Config and Menu items for the K3, but I've been unable to find a copy. Where might such a spreadsheet be found? 73, Jeff K8ND From k3ndm at comcast.net Fri Oct 16 22:07:42 2015 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 02:07:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? In-Reply-To: <0ed701d10861$7230b660$56922320$@com> Message-ID: Ed, You will need to buy one additional bit, a good sound card. NaP3 is a good product, It's really an earlier version of PowerSDR than is out today. It is free, but you will want to download LP-Bridge, not Bridge2. This will allow you to integrate your logging and digital software with what you have your KX3 doing. I used this initially and was quite happy. I later switched to the Win4K3 suite which costs $50, but it does offer some real advantages. First you can use com0com , which is free, for your port replication. This setup has been less problem prone on my system over NaP3 and LP-Bridge. Second, you have more control of your KX3. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Ed via Elecraft" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 10/16/2015 6:24:37 PM Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? > >I have a KX3. I would like to use my computer and laptop ( Windows 7 >and >Windows 8 ) to display a spectrum from my KX3, using the RX I/Q output. >What is the simplest and recommended easiest way to do this? NaP3 ? > >I use my KX3 mostly on digital modes .... with SignaLink USB interface >and >sometimes with just the laptop soundcard interface. > >Ed K7AAT > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From kc6cnn at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 23:01:40 2015 From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:01:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WTB Elecraft K1 still In-Reply-To: <1436951988684-7604944.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1436951988684-7604944.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1445050900186-7609197.post@n2.nabble.com> I am still looking for a K1 4 band radio. I would like to find one with 80, 40 , 30, 20 meters . 2nd would be 40,30,20, 17 or 15 I would like to find one with a ATU and Noise Blanker. If you have one extra to your needs please contact me at kc6cnn at gmail dot com Thank you Gerald KC6CNN ----- KC6CNN - Gerald K2 # 5486 K3 # 6294 KX3 # 757 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WTB-Elecraft-K1-tp7604944p7609197.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From RLVZ at aol.com Fri Oct 16 23:25:14 2015 From: RLVZ at aol.com (RLVZ at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:25:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - AFSK problem, need help! Message-ID: I'm trying my K3S on RTTY for the first time in the JARTS Contest this weekend, and I'm having problems. I'm running it in AFSK mode, using the K3S in and out audio jacks to the CPU. Also, I'm using the K3S serial port to the CPU. When I QSY, the K3S often switches from AFSK to FSK all by itself, and then I have to manually select DATA MD and reset it to AFSK. (must have reset it 25 times in the past 3 hours) I must have something set wrong in the configuration as the MIC control on the K3S doesn't change the AFSK audio level either, I have to set the level via the CPU's audio mixer. My software is N1MM Logger+. (latest revision) Please advise what I'm doing wrong. Thanks & 73, Dick- K9OM From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Oct 16 23:36:20 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:36:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - AFSK problem, need help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5621C234.6020709@foothill.net> This is taxing my waning memory, but I had this problem quite awhile ago and it was the result of data mode being "remembered" on a per-band [I think] basis. This of course assumes that when you said "QSY" you meant band change and not just turning the Big Knob. I remember going through all the bands and setting AFSK. It's been fine after that. Fred K6DGW --Northern California Contest Club --CU in the Cal QSO Party --1-2 Oct 2016 On 10/16/2015 8:25 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote: > I'm trying my K3S on RTTY for the first time in the JARTS Contest this > weekend, and I'm having problems. I'm running it in AFSK mode, using the K3S > in and out audio jacks to the CPU. Also, I'm using the K3S serial port to > the CPU. When I QSY, the K3S often switches from AFSK to FSK all by > itself, and then I have to manually select DATA MD and reset it to AFSK. (must > have reset it 25 times in the past 3 hours) > > I must have something set wrong in the configuration as the MIC control on > the K3S doesn't change the AFSK audio level either, I have to set the level > via the CPU's audio mixer. > > My software is N1MM Logger+. (latest revision) > > Please advise what I'm doing wrong. > > Thanks & 73, > > Dick- K9OM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6172 / Virus Database: 4447/10833 - Release Date: 10/16/15 > > From ve3iay at storm.ca Fri Oct 16 23:47:13 2015 From: ve3iay at storm.ca (Richard Ferch) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:47:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - AFSK problem, need help! Message-ID: <5621C4C1.4050901@storm.ca> Dick, In the N1MM+ Configurer, under the Mode Control tab, right hand side where it says Mode sent to radio, beside RTTY make sure it is set to AFSK (for both VFOs if you are using SO2V). If you set this to RTTY, N1MM+ will put the K3 into FSK D every time you change bands, click on a spot or use the software to change the radio's frequency. Re the MIC control, after putting the radio into AFSK A mode make sure that MAIN:MIC SEL is set to LINE IN. 73, Rich VE3KI K9OM wrote: > When I QSY, the K3S often switches from AFSK to FSK all by > itself, and then I have to manually select DATA MD and reset it to AFSK. (must > have reset it 25 times in the past 3 hours) From K7AAT at Yahoo.com Sat Oct 17 00:20:40 2015 From: K7AAT at Yahoo.com (Ed) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 21:20:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? In-Reply-To: References: <0ed701d10861$7230b660$56922320$@com> Message-ID: <0f0101d10893$2fa78ee0$8ef6aca0$@com> Thank you, Barry. Your information is about what I was looking for. I understand the need for a better soundcard if I use NaP3 .... because of the stereo microphone input issue, I believe?? I do not currently use logging software.... just a PSK31 program called AirLink Express. I also just want to be able to look at the frequencies a few dozen KHz above and below where my KX3 is tuned ... so am hoping to do this with minimal hardware. I like your suggestion about Win4K3. I will strongly consider that. Ed K7AAT -----Original Message----- From: Barry LaZar [mailto:k3ndm at comcast.net] Ed, You will need to buy one additional bit, a good sound card. NaP3 is a good product, It's really an earlier version of PowerSDR than is out today. It is free, but you will want to download LP-Bridge, not Bridge2. This will allow you to integrate your logging and digital software with what you have your KX3 doing. I used this initially and was quite happy. I later switched to the Win4K3 suite which costs $50, but it does offer some real advantages. First you can use com0com , which is free, for your port replication. This setup has been less problem prone on my system over NaP3 and LP-Bridge. Second, you have more control of your KX3. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Ed via Elecraft" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 10/16/2015 6:24:37 PM Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? > >I have a KX3. I would like to use my computer and laptop ( Windows 7 >and Windows 8 ) to display a spectrum from my KX3, using the RX I/Q >output. >What is the simplest and recommended easiest way to do this? NaP3 ? > >I use my KX3 mostly on digital modes .... with SignaLink USB interface >and sometimes with just the laptop soundcard interface. > >Ed K7AAT > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >k3ndm at comcast.net From rtavan at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 00:41:19 2015 From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan N6XI) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 21:41:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3 Remote] Band Data stays active when controlling a remote K3 Message-ID: When a real K3 (not /0) is controlling a remote K3, the Band Data lines on the ACC connector remain active, thereby driving local band decoders, antenna switches, KPA500/KAT500 and other stuff that may be "dangling" off the ACC connector. Although not a big problem for me, it could be significant in some setups. I suspect other lines may also remain active, such as DIGOUTn and AUXBUS. I think it's a mistake but I could be ... mistaken. 73, /Rick -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA From RLVZ at aol.com Sat Oct 17 00:47:25 2015 From: RLVZ at aol.com (RLVZ at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 00:47:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - AFSK problem Update- problem resolved Message-ID: K3S AFSK problem resolved. Mike was right, I had a config problem with Logger+. I had triple checked all settings before posting the message asking for help... and I still messed up on a setting! K3S working FB on AFSK now! 73, Dick- K9OM ____________________________________ From: mike.flowers at gmail.com To: RLVZ at aol.com Sent: 10/16/2015 10:29:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time Subj: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - AFSK problem, need help! Hi Dick, Check you N1MM Logger+ configuration. It may be asserting FSK to your K3S when DATA A is wanted for AFSK. 73 de Mike, K6MKF - President, NCDXC On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Dick via Elecraft <_elecraft at mailman.qth.net_ (mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net) > wrote: I'm trying my K3S on RTTY for the first time in the JARTS Contest this weekend, and I'm having problems. I'm running it in AFSK mode, using the K3S in and out audio jacks to the CPU. Also, I'm using the K3S serial port to the CPU. When I QSY, the K3S often switches from AFSK to FSK all by itself, and then I have to manually select DATA MD and reset it to AFSK. (must have reset it 25 times in the past 3 hours) I must have something set wrong in the configuration as the MIC control on the K3S doesn't change the AFSK audio level either, I have to set the level via the CPU's audio mixer. My software is N1MM Logger+. (latest revision) Please advise what I'm doing wrong. Thanks & 73, Dick- K9OM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:_Elecraft at mailman.qth.net_ (mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net) This list hosted by: _http://www.qsl.net_ (http://www.qsl.net/) Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to _mike.flowers at gmail.com_ (mailto:mike.flowers at gmail.com) From k3ndm at comcast.net Sat Oct 17 01:29:21 2015 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 05:29:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? In-Reply-To: <0f0101d10893$2fa78ee0$8ef6aca0$@com> Message-ID: Ed, If you are really sure that is all you really want to see is just a few KHz, let me suggest a free program called FLDIGI. It shows the spectrum present in your receiver's filter passband by using a waterfall display. You will see all of the signals there. You click on the one you want and work it. As you have a SignaLink USB, you do not require anything else. Run the audio out of the radio, speaker/headphone output to the SignaLink. The sound card in the SignaLink will do all of the heavy lifting for you. This is easy and straight forward. Using this approach allows you to use the DSP filtering present in the software while still showing you the 3 KHz channel full of signals. You will need to set your mode to data-a, frequency to where the PSK31 signals are, and crank the power back IAW the instructions that came with the radio. And, you'll be ready to go. If you download right now, you should be on the air ~30 minutes later with nothing else to buy. I am assuming you have the interface cable to the radio. Let me pass on a few more words. You do not need a stereo sound card when do sound card digital modes which is what PSK31 is. However, you are correct in that you must have stereo for spectrum displays. You need the in phase and quadrature phase signals from the radio, those coming out of the I&Q port on the KX3. But, there is another issue that doesn't get much play, dynamic range. Typically, the sound cards in laptops and most desktops are not of the really low noise variety, therefore they and you are limited in what you can display. A low noise sound card that is meant for studio recording, or nearly so, is better in that it allows you to see more on the spectrum display. There are a host of other issues like cost, but I'm only gisting the requirement set. And BTW, from my read most of us are using cards in the ~$60 to $150 range. One serious suggestion. If you are new to all of this, take the easy road with the least complications. Download FLDIGI, use its spectrum display, and go play. After about 5-10 hours of playing, you should have a feel for where to go and what you need. The KISS principle ain't all bad. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Ed via Elecraft" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 10/17/2015 12:20:40 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? >Thank you, Barry. Your information is about what I was looking for. I >understand the need for a better soundcard if I use NaP3 .... because >of the stereo microphone input issue, I believe?? I do not currently >use logging software.... just a PSK31 program called AirLink Express. >I also just want to be able to look at the frequencies a few dozen KHz >above and below where my KX3 is tuned ... so am hoping to do this with >minimal hardware. > >I like your suggestion about Win4K3. I will strongly consider that. > >Ed K7AAT > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Barry LaZar [mailto:k3ndm at comcast.net] > >Ed, > You will need to buy one additional bit, a good sound card. NaP3 >is a good product, It's really an earlier version of PowerSDR than is >out today. It is free, but you will want to download LP-Bridge, not >Bridge2. >This will allow you to integrate your logging and digital software with >what you have your KX3 doing. > > I used this initially and was quite happy. I later switched to the >Win4K3 suite which costs $50, but it does offer some real advantages. >First you can use com0com , which is free, for your port replication. >This setup has been less problem prone on my system over NaP3 and >LP-Bridge. Second, you have more control of your KX3. > >73, >Barry >K3NDM > >------ Original Message ------ >From: "Ed via Elecraft" >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Sent: 10/16/2015 6:24:37 PM >Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? > >> >>I have a KX3. I would like to use my computer and laptop ( Windows 7 >>and Windows 8 ) to display a spectrum from my KX3, using the RX I/Q >>output. >>What is the simplest and recommended easiest way to do this? NaP3 ? >> >>I use my KX3 mostly on digital modes .... with SignaLink USB interface >>and sometimes with just the laptop soundcard interface. >> >>Ed K7AAT >> >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>k3ndm at comcast.net > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 01:42:21 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 08:42:21 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <276CDEB1-1410-40BE-8EE4-00EF6F6261F7@gmail.com> Yes, I have it too, and I didn't notice it before installing the new synths. Doesn't bother me. Vic Sent from my phone > On Oct 17, 2015, at 4:01 AM, jim wrote: > > I just got my K3 back from Elecraft. They did the once over and installed > the new SYN boards. > > > > I have noticed a "popping" noise in the headphones as I change the bandwidth > control, but ONLY as I transition from 200 Hz, 150 Hz, 100 Hz and 50 Hz. I > have only checked this in the CW mode. > > > > This popping noise was not there before sending the rig in. > > > > I have the 500 Hz and 200 Hz crystal roofing filters installed, which is the > same configuration as I had before sending it to Elecraft. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Tnx > > > > Jim > > W6AIM > > > > > > . > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From jbollit at outlook.com Sat Oct 17 02:15:05 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (Jim Bolit) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:15:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? Message-ID: I use the BW control a lot as most of my work is weak signal CW. There was no popping before, and my ears are "on max gain" with weak signals, that are at or near the noise floor. The popping is VERY annoying and at times it "hurts" the ears when digging for signals and changing the BW control from 200 Hz to 150 Hz, to 100 Hz and finally to 50 Hz. The popping is present as I rotate the BW control back to wider bandwidths also, but the popping stops once above 200 Hz bandwidth. JimW6AIM . -------- Original message -------- From: Vic Rosenthal Date: 10/16/2015 10:42 PM (GMT-08:00) To: jim Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? Yes, I have it too, and I didn't notice it before installing the new synths. Doesn't bother me. Vic Sent from my phone > On Oct 17, 2015, at 4:01 AM, jim wrote: > > I just got my K3 back from Elecraft. They did the once over and installed > the new SYN boards. > > > > I have noticed a "popping" noise in the headphones as I change the bandwidth > control, but ONLY as I transition from 200 Hz, 150 Hz, 100 Hz and 50 Hz. I > have only checked this in the CW mode. > > > > This popping noise was not there before sending the rig in. > > > > I have the 500 Hz and 200 Hz crystal roofing filters installed, which is the > same configuration as I had before sending it to Elecraft. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Tnx > > > > Jim > > W6AIM > > > > > > . > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From charlesschenck at hotmail.com Sat Oct 17 02:52:33 2015 From: charlesschenck at hotmail.com (Charles) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:52:33 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 keyboard locking Message-ID: Today I gave the new PX3 1.35 beta a test in the JARTS RTTY contest. Although my vanilla USB keyboard works ok, the transmit buffer would lock after the first transmission. I discovered that this was caused by beginning a second transmission before the transmitted text appears at the upper part of the screen. The only way to recover from a lock is by turning the PX3 off and on. Has anyone duplicated these symptoms, or is there an obvious cause? Otherwise, the new software is VFB! Aloha Charles KH6CS Sent from my iPad From duklaet at broadpark.no Sat Oct 17 04:47:58 2015 From: duklaet at broadpark.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Hjalmar_Dukl=E6t=22?=) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 10:47:58 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB Elecraft K1 still In-Reply-To: <1445050900186-7609197.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1436951988684-7604944.post@n2.nabble.com> <1445050900186-7609197.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <74b08e02ea7a.5622275e@broadpark.no> The KFL1-4 band filter module does not cover the 80m. only 40, 30, 20, 17/15. If you need the 80m you also need a 2 band module. 73 de Hal/la4xx On 15-10-17 05:02, KC6CNN wrote: > > I am still looking for a K1 4 band radio. > I would like to find one with 80, 40 , 30, 20 meters . 2nd would be > 40,30,20, 17 or 15 > I would like to find one with a ATU and Noise Blanker. > > If you have one extra to your needs please contact me at > kc6cnn at gmail dot com > > Thank you > Gerald KC6CNN > > > > > ----- > KC6CNN - Gerald > K2 # 5486 > K3 # 6294 > KX3 # 757 > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WTB-Elecraft-K1-tp7604944p7609197.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to duklaet at broadpark.no > From w7aqk at cox.net Sat Oct 17 06:54:58 2015 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 03:54:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Hex Key Serial # 57 Message-ID: <9EEFBB9A981847C7AD6AD94882F37219@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I> Hi All, I'm a bit late responding, but I haven't seen quite the answer I would have given. So, here's my suggestion. The "no skid" shelf liner stuff is good, but I've found a particular type that seems to work best. It's actually the cheaper type. At places like Walmart you will find several versions of this stuff. The more expensive versions (although none of them are all that expensive) usually has a very simple pattern with small, rounded "bubbles" on top. This liner won't move, but the top surface is too slick, and things on top may move around. Instead, go for the "cheap" stuff, which is thinner, and has an even tighter (and somewhat irregular) pattern. I don't know how else to describe it, and that doesn't give you much to go on, but I almost always see it available at Walmart, and it is the lower priced option. If I remember to I will check the stock number the next time I'm in Walmart. It's also the same type and pattern I saw supplied quite often in small squares with some of the paddles that used to be offered as kits. Anyway, this stuff won't typically slide around on whatever surface you put it on, and more importantly, things on top of it don't tend to slide around much either. I buy this stuff and cut it to shape for my dashboard to hold all sorts of things, including cell phones, etc. That said, a paddle without much mass can be problematic no matter what you place it on--unless you actually fasten it down somehow. That's one (of many) reasons I really like the Begali paddles, and other offerings as well such as the ones from Tony, N3ZN. These paddles have a lot of mass, and that, to me, is critical. To send properly with a paddle, it must be very stationary. Rubber feet rarely do the job. The surface contact just isn't sufficient. Something I've thought about, but never tried, is using some of these small "super" magnets. You could glue 4 of these down on your dashboard in the appropriate spots, and if necessary, add a small, thin steel plate to the bottom of your paddle. Dave W7AQK From paulbradbeer at paulbradbeer.plus.com Sat Oct 17 07:41:41 2015 From: paulbradbeer at paulbradbeer.plus.com (paulbradbeer) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 12:41:41 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: P3 (UK and Europe) Message-ID: For sale, P3 # 3836. Only a few months old and in excellent condition from a non - smoking household. UKP 550 including carriage. This is a great deal...they are UKP 710 new in UK. ?K3s has been sold, so this P3 needs a new home too... Paul M0CVX? From tony.kaz at verizon.net Sat Oct 17 08:34:22 2015 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 08:34:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009f01d108d8$270915c0$751b4140$@verizon.net> I can't duplicate it here on either K3. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Bolit Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 2:15 AM To: Vic Rosenthal Cc: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? I use the BW control a lot as most of my work is weak signal CW. There was no popping before, and my ears are "on max gain" with weak signals, that are at or near the noise floor. The popping is VERY annoying and at times it "hurts" the ears when digging for signals and changing the BW control from 200 Hz to 150 Hz, to 100 Hz and finally to 50 Hz. The popping is present as I rotate the BW control back to wider bandwidths also, but the popping stops once above 200 Hz bandwidth. JimW6AIM . -------- Original message -------- From: Vic Rosenthal Date: 10/16/2015 10:42 PM (GMT-08:00) To: jim Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? Yes, I have it too, and I didn't notice it before installing the new synths. Doesn't bother me. Vic Sent from my phone > On Oct 17, 2015, at 4:01 AM, jim wrote: > > I just got my K3 back from Elecraft. They did the once over and > installed the new SYN boards. > > > > I have noticed a "popping" noise in the headphones as I change the > bandwidth control, but ONLY as I transition from 200 Hz, 150 Hz, 100 > Hz and 50 Hz. I have only checked this in the CW mode. > > > > This popping noise was not there before sending the rig in. > > > > I have the 500 Hz and 200 Hz crystal roofing filters installed, which > is the same configuration as I had before sending it to Elecraft. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Tnx > > > > Jim > > W6AIM > > > > > > . > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > k2vco.vic at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From anthony.scandurra at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 09:26:55 2015 From: anthony.scandurra at gmail.com (Anthony Scandurra) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 09:26:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: <009f01d108d8$270915c0$751b4140$@verizon.net> References: <009f01d108d8$270915c0$751b4140$@verizon.net> Message-ID: I note the popping here as well. K3 #6478 with new synths and FW REVS uC-5.38, d1-2.86, d2-2.86, FL 1.25, dr 1.03. Also have 700Hz and 250 Hz filters installed. 73, Tony K4QE On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 8:34 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > I can't duplicate it here on either K3. > 73, > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim > Bolit > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 2:15 AM > To: Vic Rosenthal > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? > > I use the BW control a lot as most of my work is weak signal CW. > There was no popping before, and my ears are "on max gain" with weak > signals, that are at or near the noise floor. The popping is VERY annoying > and at times it "hurts" the ears when digging for signals and changing the > BW control from 200 Hz to 150 Hz, to 100 Hz and finally to 50 Hz. The > popping is present as I rotate the BW control back to wider bandwidths > also, > but the popping stops once above 200 Hz bandwidth. > JimW6AIM > > > . > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Vic Rosenthal > Date: 10/16/2015 10:42 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: jim > Cc: "" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? > > Yes, I have it too, and I didn't notice it before installing the new > synths. > Doesn't bother me. > > Vic > Sent from my phone > > > On Oct 17, 2015, at 4:01 AM, jim wrote: > > > > I just got my K3 back from Elecraft. They did the once over and > > installed the new SYN boards. > > > > > > > > I have noticed a "popping" noise in the headphones as I change the > > bandwidth control, but ONLY as I transition from 200 Hz, 150 Hz, 100 > > Hz and 50 Hz. I have only checked this in the CW mode. > > > > > > > > This popping noise was not there before sending the rig in. > > > > > > > > I have the 500 Hz and 200 Hz crystal roofing filters installed, which > > is the same configuration as I had before sending it to Elecraft. > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > Tnx > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > W6AIM > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to anthony.scandurra at gmail.com > From k2mk at comcast.net Sat Oct 17 09:29:17 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 06:29:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1445088557747-7609212.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Jim, I have an older K3 with new SYN boards. I also have the 500Hz and 200Hz filter. I just tested it on CW and I can hear a very faint pop when turning the bandwidth knob. As you noted, it seems to be present only at the narrow settings. I start to hear it when changing from 350 to 300 and below. It's loudest when changing from 150 to 100. Having said that, it's faint to the point that I can't be sure if it was there before the SYN changeover or not. It certainly doesn't bother me even with high audio levels. 73, Mike K2MK Jim Bolit wrote > I just got my K3 back from Elecraft. They did the once over and installed > the new SYN boards. > > I have noticed a "popping" noise in the headphones as I change the > bandwidth > control, but ONLY as I transition from 200 Hz, 150 Hz, 100 Hz and 50 Hz. > I > have only checked this in the CW mode. > > This popping noise was not there before sending the rig in. > > I have the 500 Hz and 200 Hz crystal roofing filters installed, which is > the > same configuration as I had before sending it to Elecraft. > > Any thoughts? > > Tnx > Jim > W6AIM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Popping-noise-in-headphones-tp7609194p7609212.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rask1553 at bellsouth.net Sat Oct 17 11:22:27 2015 From: rask1553 at bellsouth.net (Michael Raskin) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 11:22:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: The Elecraft KPA500 Amplifier and KAT500 Tuner by Fred Cady. Message-ID: For Sale: The Elecraft KPA500 Amplifier and KAT500 Tuner by Fred Cady. Sells for $39.00. Mine is brand new, never opened, no folds or creases. Buy mine for $27, which includes free USPS Priority Shipping CONUS. PayPal accepted. Mike, W4UM From dhhdeh at comcast.net Sat Oct 17 12:07:35 2015 From: dhhdeh at comcast.net (David and Dianne on Comcast) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 12:07:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 FS: Pristine and Pampered K3 FS Message-ID: <56227247.5030309@comcast.net> Hi Everyone, Your chance to own a pristine, pampered K3 with many options installed at a fraction of the cost new! K3 #371 is in as-new cosmetic, mechanical and electronic condition. I am the original owner, a non-smoker, non-contester, non-dxpeditioner. It has been covered when not used. Without blemish. Selling to downsize as I now prefer a simpler rig with real band-stacking registers. -K3/100-K Transceiver (#371) -(2) KSYN3AUPG Upgrades -KAT3-K ATU -KRX3-K Sub-Receiver -KTCXO3-1 TCXO -KDVR3-DVR -(2) KFL3A-6K?6 kHz 8-pole in main RX and Sub-Rx for ESSB -(2) KFL3A-2.8K?2.8 kHz 8-pole replacing stock 2.7 kHz filters in main and Sub-RX -(1) KFL3A-2.1K?2.1 kHz 8-pole in main Rx only -(1) INRAD 700 Hz CW 8-pole in main Rx only -(2) INRAD 500 Hz CW 8-pole in main Rx and Sub-Rx -K3DSPUPGD DSP Board Upgrade -K3DSP LPF installed on DSP Board -K3IOBUFFKT Mod -REMIOUPGD Mod -K3AFMDKT Mod Does not have the KXV3A board installed but it was modified, according to Elecraft directions, to provide IF output to a BNC connector on the back, mounted on the panel over the bay for the KXV3A or B. Enables connection to a P3 that was running from this K3 until 2012. All Elecraft (only) approved hardware mods have been installed except the 12 VDC OUT Current Mod. (Mod kit will be included. Install yourself, it?s easy). Other mods performed: the gold pin replacements on the PA and DSP board, the HAGC mods, the DSP board upgrade and the LPF installed on the new main DSP board. Firmware: 5.38 MCU / DSP 2.86. Both a Nifty Manual and Fred Casey's K3 book will be included. Total price new was approx. $ 4,800.00. Selling Price is $2,795.00 Shipped Ground/Insured via UPS to the USA No trades; I will not ?part out?; USPS Money Orders preferred; No PayPal; Pix sent to interested parties. Please contact me off list with your interest. TNX es 73 de N1LQ-Dave -- N1LQ at arrl.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Oct 17 12:59:21 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 09:59:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56227E69.30804@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,10/16/2015 11:15 PM, Jim Bolit wrote: > The popping is present as I rotate the BW control back to wider bandwidths also, but the popping stops once above 200 Hz bandwidth. Hi Jim, I also do a lot of digging for weak signals, but I rarely go narrower than 200 Hz because I find the filter ringing on noise takes over. Yes, I'm using the optimal setting to minimize ringing. If you're hearing the popping and others are not, perhaps you're using more AF gain and less RF gain than they are. If so, I suggest adjusting that ratio in the direction of less AF gain and see if you can reach a happy compromise. As an OT CW op, I do recognize the virtue of not using excessive RF gain. And maybe Wayne can do something about the switching transient in a future firmware firmware release. 73, Jim K9YC From NZ3O at arrl.net Sat Oct 17 14:04:11 2015 From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 14:04:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S LP-Bridge Setup - How Does the K3S Know? Message-ID: <56228D9B.8090307@arrl.net> I do see how to SET the COM Ports in LP-Bridge, but I missed something in how to tell what they should be on the K3S side. I would think I need CAT Control, Analog Audio (RTTY AFSK) and CW Keying. What is the means by which I determine the K3S side of things? 73, Byron From rask1553 at bellsouth.net Sat Oct 17 14:05:46 2015 From: rask1553 at bellsouth.net (Michael Raskin) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 14:05:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The Elecraft KPA500 Amplifier and KAT500 Tuner by Fred Cady - SOLD Message-ID: Long gone ? thanks for all the responses. Mike, W4UM From gary at hawkins-zhu.com Sat Oct 17 14:48:52 2015 From: gary at hawkins-zhu.com (Gary Hawkins) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 11:48:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56229814.1090104@hawkins-zhu.com> Hi Ed, I use HDSDR V2.7 as my panadaptor. I take the KX3 I/Q output and feed this via a ground loop isolator to the soundcard on my i7 computer. Except for a residual peak around 0Hz it works great. I'm able to see plus/minus 22KHz around radio freq. In addition, I used HRD V5.24 for radio control, plus DM780 (part of HRD) for digital and the logbook within HDR. For JT65/JT9 I use WSJT-X V1.5 and JTAlertX (to ensure I don't duplicate contacts). All radio control is synchronized across platforms, although I'm sure I could probably set it up more elegantly. All software is available for free. I've got the KX3 running 10W digital without any overheating issues (after temperature compensation, addition of third party heat sink and placing small dual-computer fan under the KX3). I also use a SignalLink to connect the computer to audio connections on the KX3. The rest of the station consists of 75ft coaxial run to a mini-G5RV at 20ft center height. I've completed over 700 digital contacts since May using a variety of modes (primarily JT65, JT9, RTTY and PSK31) and bands (mostly 40, 20 and 15m). I'm 2 states away from mixed WAS - just need DE and VT. Overseas contacts are more difficult to come by but casual participation mainly in RTTY contests has got me to 25 DXCC entities. I can hear loads of overseas stations, I just don't have the power to get back to them. The panadaptor is invaluable for locating band activity particularly during contests. If fact, it's safe to say I would not buy another radio unless it offered this facility. I also use PSKreporter. This is a great way to see who can hear your digital transmissions and gives you confidence that you are getting out when sometimes CQs go unanswered. Please let me know if you need further information. 73's Gary K6YOA On 10/17/2015 1:48 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:24:37 -0700 > From: "Ed" > To: > Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? > Message-ID: <0ed701d10861$7230b660$56922320$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > I have a KX3. I would like to use my computer and laptop ( Windows 7 and > Windows 8 ) to display a spectrum from my KX3, using the RX I/Q output. > What is the simplest and recommended easiest way to do this? NaP3 ? > > I use my KX3 mostly on digital modes .... with SignaLink USB interface and > sometimes with just the laptop soundcard interface. > > Ed K7AAT From w7jw at charter.net Sat Oct 17 14:55:43 2015 From: w7jw at charter.net (Jeff) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 14:55:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) Message-ID: <7CD05383170D46D4BC3C81DB57C6B091@w7jwHP> Help please. I?m running N1MM through USB comm port to K3s and can?t key the rig on CW from N1MM. I seem to have CAT control of QRG, modes and audio as I can use MMTTY from within N1MM on RTTY (not VOX). Comm port is defined as suggested in N1MM but K3s is config PTT-KEY ?OFF-OFF?. I don?t know which of the 6 options within this menu to use as N1MM suggest RST and DTR always off. 73 Jeff W7JW From jbollit at outlook.com Sat Oct 17 14:58:55 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 11:58:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: <56227E69.30804@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <56227E69.30804@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Jim, Thanks. I sent the rig in to Elecraft for upgrades AND to see if they could sort out the constant hiss (with the AF gain fully counter clockwise) that I heard in the Bose headphones with them set at "hi" sensitivity. I had them put the SYN's in, gold pins, 12 volt mod, etc. in addition to the hiss problem. I also included the Bose headphones (QC-15's) when sending the rig to Elecraft. They also upgraded firmware to latest factory revision, and I am disappointed that the audio is now worse (due to the popping noise) than when it was sent in. Others have complained about the hiss, others don't hear it, and I don't hear it on a friend's K3 (using the same Bose headphones). Now I have the hiss and the popping noise when switching the DSP from 200 Hz and down. Interesting to note there is no popping when switching the DSP from 200Hz and going higher in bandwidth, using the BW knob.. I have played with the AGC to see if that was causing the popping problem, but to no avail. Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 9:59 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? On Fri,10/16/2015 11:15 PM, Jim Bolit wrote: > The popping is present as I rotate the BW control back to wider bandwidths also, but the popping stops once above 200 Hz bandwidth. Hi Jim, I also do a lot of digging for weak signals, but I rarely go narrower than 200 Hz because I find the filter ringing on noise takes over. Yes, I'm using the optimal setting to minimize ringing. If you're hearing the popping and others are not, perhaps you're using more AF gain and less RF gain than they are. If so, I suggest adjusting that ratio in the direction of less AF gain and see if you can reach a happy compromise. As an OT CW op, I do recognize the virtue of not using excessive RF gain. And maybe Wayne can do something about the switching transient in a future firmware firmware release. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From riese-k3djc at juno.com Sat Oct 17 15:32:54 2015 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 15:32:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? Message-ID: the only time I notice that issue is if I have the auto notch set and tune around the band,, I just turn off auto notch and it clears up ?? Bob K3DJC On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 09:59:21 -0700 Jim Brown writes: > On Fri,10/16/2015 11:15 PM, Jim Bolit wrote: > > The popping is present as I rotate the BW control back to wider > bandwidths also, but the popping stops once above 200 Hz bandwidth. From marrotte at verizon.net Sat Oct 17 16:03:40 2015 From: marrotte at verizon.net (Roger Marrotte) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 16:03:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 KXPD3 FS Message-ID: <000601d10916$edebf750$c9c3e5f0$@verizon.net> Selling my KXPD3. Like new. Works great. Has the spring and wire jumper mod. I'm getting a Begali Adventure. $85.00 including shipping USA Thanks, Roger, W1EM From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 16:06:54 2015 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 17:06:54 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] DX Doubler not TX on K3 Message-ID: <5622aa61.241b370a.1150b.2597@mx.google.com> Hello After some years I wanted to connect DX Doubler again and have some problems because I cannot transmit SSB or CW I have both radios (K3) connected to two USB ports to CAT control (RS232), is working fine I have PIEXX for DXD connected to other USB DXD seems to work fine, change audio and TX lights from between radio 1 and 2 BUT I cannot transmit on the K3! Footswitch is OK, put radios on TX but didn?t transmit no RF VOX on and I cannot send SSB in the mic or CW with the paddles connected in the back of DXD Any suggestions? 73, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Oct 17 16:55:54 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 16:55:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S LP-Bridge Setup - How Does the K3S Know? In-Reply-To: <56228D9B.8090307@arrl.net> References: <56228D9B.8090307@arrl.net> Message-ID: <5622B5DA.8010504@embarqmail.com> Byron, LP-bridge must connect to whichever real port is connected to the K3S. Look in your computer's Device Manager (open Ports) to determine which COM port was assigned to the K3S USB to serial adapter, then tell LP-Bridge to connect to that port. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/17/2015 2:04 PM, Byron Peebles wrote: > I do see how to SET the COM Ports in LP-Bridge, but I missed something > in how to tell what they should be on the K3S side. I would think I > need CAT Control, Analog Audio (RTTY AFSK) and CW Keying. What is the > means by which I determine the K3S side of things? > > 73, Byron > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From buddys70 at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 17:18:44 2015 From: buddys70 at gmail.com (buddy s) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 16:18:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] k3 and mfj-1026 Message-ID: i have ordered an mfj-1026, and intend hooking it up to the ports on the KXV3 board. what menu settings need to be made. any details would be very helpful. if there is a reference on the elecraft web site, i couldn't find it. thanks buddy spiegel w3bs From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Oct 17 17:25:20 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 14:25:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Message-ID: <5622BCC0.4010309@foothill.net> I'm setting up a RemoteRig control site using my K3 which I'll use to remotely operate W7RN. Can someone tell me how my K3 gets into TERM mode? Setting up the RemoteRig box is a non-trivial process. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org From w4rks73 at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 18:10:13 2015 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 17:10:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Remote Message-ID: Fred, On the K3, press and HOLD the MENU button just as you would to get to the Config Menu only hold it longer - several seconds. The display will change to show "TERM". You're there. Do the same to return to NORMAL mode - or, when you turn the K3 off, it will come back on in Normal mode. Good Luck. Jim - W4RKS >I'm setting up a RemoteRig... From jbollit at outlook.com Sat Oct 17 18:27:36 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 15:27:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No notch filter (auto or otherwise) is engaged. Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of riese-k3djc at juno.com Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 12:33 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? the only time I notice that issue is if I have the auto notch set and tune around the band,, I just turn off auto notch and it clears up ?? Bob K3DJC On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 09:59:21 -0700 Jim Brown writes: > On Fri,10/16/2015 11:15 PM, Jim Bolit wrote: > > The popping is present as I rotate the BW control back to wider > bandwidths also, but the popping stops once above 200 Hz bandwidth. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From w7jw at charter.net Sat Oct 17 19:06:46 2015 From: w7jw at charter.net (Jeff) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 19:06:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <7CD05383170D46D4BC3C81DB57C6B091@w7jwHP> References: <7CD05383170D46D4BC3C81DB57C6B091@w7jwHP> Message-ID: Tnx to Bill, NR4C for figuring out my problem and offer solution, I'm back in business.. 73 Jeff W7JW -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 2:55 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject) Help please. I?m running N1MM through USB comm port to K3s and can?t key the rig on CW from N1MM. I seem to have CAT control of QRG, modes and audio as I can use MMTTY from within N1MM on RTTY (not VOX). Comm port is defined as suggested in N1MM but K3s is config PTT-KEY ?OFF-OFF?. I don?t know which of the 6 options within this menu to use as N1MM suggest RST and DTR always off. 73 Jeff W7JW ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w7jw at arrl.net From chrisrut7 at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 19:52:51 2015 From: chrisrut7 at gmail.com (Chris Rutkowski) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 16:52:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? Message-ID: <5622df54.c789440a.2f335.ffffde0a@mx.google.com> Hi Ed. When the other fellow (sorry, just went blank on his name) said u need a good sound card, he was right, mostly. The better the soundcard the better nap3 will work. However, when I first started - say, the first 3 months or so, I used the soundcard built into my Old Dell D620 laptop (W7), and it worked plenty well enough to get me hooked on panadapters. Biggest limitation is that the maximum bandwidth with the old dell (based on the bandwidth of the soundcard) was 48khz - where's my pricy external soundcard allows 192Khz. . That may sound like a big deal, but truth be known since im a cw and rtty guy, I don't find much more than 50khz to be all that useful. Point is, as long as whatever MIC input u use is STEREO, you can use it and gain experience with it. Should mention that according to the author of NaP3, comocon works with NaP3. In fact he stated he prefers it because it loads faster. Detail: if u use lp-bridge, be sure to put NaP3 on the "set port." As for what's easiest and best... It depends on you. I own Win4k3. It is an interesting program, that brings lots to the table. However, for me, the only piece that was (is) of real interest is the panadaptor. You can download a trial and test for yourself. Personally, so far, I strongly prefer NaP3 as a panadapter.. But of course, there is no right or wrong regarding taste. what do I like? I LOVE that NaP3 can put spots right on the spectrum. Worth its weight in gold. I also love working Rtty and CW: positioning yourself in a pileup is incredibly easy. I just got a feature working called the data/text window, which displays decoded data or CW in one window and allows u to type in the other. For now, I count nap3 as second to my rig and antenna in importance to my enjoyment of the hobby. After all, I can still use a paper log if I have to... 73, Chris NW6V : "Ed" To: Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? Message-ID: <0ed701d10861$7230b660$56922320$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have a KX3. I would like to use my computer and laptop ( Windows 7 and Windows 8 ) to display a spectrum from my KX3, using the RX I/Q output. What is the simplest and recommended easiest way to do this? NaP3 ? I use my KX3 mostly on digital modes .... with SignaLink USB interface and sometimes with just the laptop soundcard interface. From jboehner01 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 17 20:02:15 2015 From: jboehner01 at yahoo.com (James F. Boehner MD) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 20:02:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Remote In-Reply-To: <5622BCC0.4010309@foothill.net> References: <5622BCC0.4010309@foothill.net> Message-ID: <004201d10938$3fa26180$bee72480$@yahoo.com> Fred, agreed. I'm glad I had someone with experience to help me set up the RemoteRig Box. To put the K3 in TERM mode, hold in the menu button for 5 seconds. To restore to normal operation, repeat the procedure. David sent me the K3-K3S Remote FAQ which has a lot of good information on remote operation. The K3/0 manual has a lot of good information as well. '73 de JIM N2ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 5:25 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Remote I'm setting up a RemoteRig control site using my K3 which I'll use to remotely operate W7RN. Can someone tell me how my K3 gets into TERM mode? Setting up the RemoteRig box is a non-trivial process. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jboehner01 at yahoo.com From K7AAT at Yahoo.com Sat Oct 17 20:10:32 2015 From: K7AAT at Yahoo.com (Ed) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 17:10:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? In-Reply-To: <5622df54.c789440a.2f335.ffffde0a@mx.google.com> References: <5622df54.c789440a.2f335.ffffde0a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0f8701d10939$684f5330$38edf990$@com> What is " comocon " and why would I need it with NaP3 and my KX3 just to view the spectrum? Ed From: Chris Rutkowski [mailto:chrisrut7 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 4:53 PM To: K7AAT at Yahoo.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? Hi Ed. When the other fellow (sorry, just went blank on his name) said u need a good sound card, he was right, mostly. The better the soundcard the better nap3 will work. However, when I first started - say, the first 3 months or so, I used the soundcard built into my Old Dell D620 laptop (W7), and it worked plenty well enough to get me hooked on panadapters. Biggest limitation is that the maximum bandwidth with the old dell (based on the bandwidth of the soundcard) was 48khz - where's my pricy external soundcard allows 192Khz. . That may sound like a big deal, but truth be known since im a cw and rtty guy, I don't find much more than 50khz to be all that useful. Point is, as long as whatever MIC input u use is STEREO, you can use it and gain experience with it. Should mention that according to the author of NaP3, comocon works with NaP3. In fact he stated he prefers it because it loads faster. Detail: if u use lp-bridge, be sure to put NaP3 on the "set port." As for what's easiest and best... It depends on you. I own Win4k3. It is an interesting program, that brings lots to the table. However, for me, the only piece that was (is) of real interest is the panadaptor. You can download a trial and test for yourself. Personally, so far, I strongly prefer NaP3 as a panadapter.. But of course, there is no right or wrong regarding taste. what do I like? I LOVE that NaP3 can put spots right on the spectrum. Worth its weight in gold. I also love working Rtty and CW: positioning yourself in a pileup is incredibly easy. I just got a feature working called the data/text window, which displays decoded data or CW in one window and allows u to type in the other. For now, I count nap3 as second to my rig and antenna in importance to my enjoyment of the hobby. After all, I can still use a paper log if I have to... 73, Chris NW6V : "Ed" To: Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? Message-ID: <0ed701d10861$7230b660$56922320$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have a KX3. I would like to use my computer and laptop ( Windows 7 and Windows 8 ) to display a spectrum from my KX3, using the RX I/Q output. What is the simplest and recommended easiest way to do this? NaP3 ? I use my KX3 mostly on digital modes .... with SignaLink USB interface and sometimes with just the laptop soundcard interface. From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sat Oct 17 20:32:34 2015 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 20:32:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? In-Reply-To: <0f8701d10939$684f5330$38edf990$@com> References: <5622df54.c789440a.2f335.ffffde0a@mx.google.com> <0f8701d10939$684f5330$38edf990$@com> Message-ID: <20226c88-732d-4679-ae42-a3163dd632b9@typeapp.com> Hi Ed, Com0com provides a virtual comport pair that acts like a null modem cable. It can be used to connect two software packages together as long as one has the necessary logic such as Win4k3Suite. Win4k3 has a built in router that listens on special ports for commands from other software and then sends them to the radio or returns data. It connect to the other software through com0com. It effectively provides lpbridge functionality.? Thus in Win4k3, you can hook up nap3 to work through win4k3 and it thinks its connected to a k3. Hope this explains it. You can find a full explanation in the win4k3 manual. 73, Tom va2fsq.com Sent from BlueMail On Oct 17, 2015, 8:15 PM, at 8:15 PM, Ed via Elecraft wrote: >What is " comocon " and why would I need it with NaP3 and my KX3 just >to >view the spectrum? > > > >Ed > > > > > >From: Chris Rutkowski [mailto:chrisrut7 at gmail.com] >Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 4:53 PM >To: K7AAT at Yahoo.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? > > > >Hi Ed. > >When the other fellow (sorry, just went blank on his name) said u need >a >good sound card, he was right, mostly. The better the soundcard the >better >nap3 will work. However, when I first started - say, the first 3 months >or >so, I used the soundcard built into my Old Dell D620 laptop (W7), and >it >worked plenty well enough to get me hooked on panadapters. Biggest >limitation is that the maximum bandwidth with the old dell (based on >the >bandwidth of the soundcard) was 48khz - where's my pricy external >soundcard >allows 192Khz. . That may sound like a big deal, but truth be known >since >im a cw and rtty guy, I don't find much more than 50khz to be all that >useful. Point is, as long as whatever MIC input u use is STEREO, you >can >use it and gain experience with it. > >Should mention that according to the author of NaP3, comocon works >with >NaP3. In fact he stated he prefers it because it loads faster. > >Detail: if u use lp-bridge, be sure to put NaP3 on the "set port." > >As for what's easiest and best... It depends on you. I own Win4k3. It >is an >interesting program, that brings lots to the table. However, for me, >the >only piece that was (is) of real interest is the panadaptor. You can >download a trial and test for yourself. Personally, so far, I strongly >prefer NaP3 as a panadapter.. But of course, there is no right or wrong >regarding taste. > >what do I like? I LOVE that NaP3 can put spots right on the spectrum. >Worth >its weight in gold. I also love working Rtty and CW: positioning >yourself in >a pileup is incredibly easy. I just got a feature working called the >data/text window, which displays decoded data or CW in one window and >allows >u to type in the other. > >For now, I count nap3 as second to my rig and antenna in importance to >my >enjoyment of the hobby. > >After all, I can still use a paper log if I have to... > >73, Chris NW6V > > > > >: "Ed" >To: >Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? >Message-ID: <0ed701d10861$7230b660$56922320$@com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >I have a KX3. I would like to use my computer and laptop ( Windows 7 >and >Windows 8 ) to display a spectrum from my KX3, using the RX I/Q output. >What is the simplest and recommended easiest way to do this? NaP3 ? > >I use my KX3 mostly on digital modes .... with SignaLink USB interface >and >sometimes with just the laptop soundcard interface. > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From gerry at w1ve.com Sat Oct 17 20:36:02 2015 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 20:36:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Remote In-Reply-To: <004201d10938$3fa26180$bee72480$@yahoo.com> References: <5622BCC0.4010309@foothill.net> <004201d10938$3fa26180$bee72480$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Fred and group, You can do that to put the K3 into TERM mode, but there is absolutely no reason to do it. It will happen automatically. I hoping that people don't use the "Push the MENU button for 5 seconds" as Standard Operating Procedure. It is an indication that you have another issue. "Setting up the RemoteRig box is a non-trivial process." Unfortunately, The RemoteRig products are great stuff, but they are designed to be used by a lot of different radios. The documents Brandon and the team have put together from Elecraft are good, but can be confusing if you don't pay close attention. The RRC boxes are very configurable -- which is a good thing if you know what's going on, but can be terrible of your not sure what settings do. Tie that with the fact that the manuals are many revs behind the actual firmware, and it's a recipe for frustration for new guys. Setting up the station-side router forwards are pretty straightforward, but if you don't know internet routing, it can lead to trouble. I've put together 6 different remote stations using RRCs now, so I have a pretty good handle on the recipe, especially for the K3 twins. I think I'll do a blog post with this recipe, also talking about the pitfalls you can run into. I'll post a link on the reflector here when I'm done. 73, Gerry W1VE From K7AAT at Yahoo.com Sat Oct 17 20:47:23 2015 From: K7AAT at Yahoo.com (Ed) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 17:47:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? In-Reply-To: <20226c88-732d-4679-ae42-a3163dd632b9@typeapp.com> References: <5622df54.c789440a.2f335.ffffde0a@mx.google.com> <0f8701d10939$684f5330$38edf990$@com> <20226c88-732d-4679-ae42-a3163dd632b9@typeapp.com> Message-ID: <0f9e01d1093e$8e534820$aaf9d860$@com> OK. Apparently not something I need, then, for my usage. TNX Ed K7AAT From: Tom [mailto:tomb18 at videotron.ca] Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 5:33 PM To: Ed; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? Hi Ed, Com0com provides a virtual comport pair that acts like a null modem cable. It can be used to connect two software packages together as long as one has the necessary logic such as Win4k3Suite. Win4k3 has a built in router that listens on special ports for commands from other software and then sends them to the radio or returns data. It connect to the other software through com0com. It effectively provides lpbridge functionality. Thus in Win4k3, you can hook up nap3 to work through win4k3 and it thinks its connected to a k3. Hope this explains it. You can find a full explanation in the win4k3 manual. 73, Tom va2fsq.com Sent from BlueMail On Oct 17, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Ed via Elecraft wrote: What is " comocon " and why would I need it with NaP3 and my KX3 just to view the spectrum? Ed From: Chris Rutkowski [mailto:chrisrut7 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 4:53 PM To: K7AAT at Yahoo.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? Hi Ed. When the other fellow (sorry, just went blank on his name) said u need a good sound card, he was right, mostly. The better the soundcard the better nap3 will work. However, when I first started - say, the first 3 months or so, I used the soundcard built into my Old Dell D620 laptop (W7), and it worked plenty well enough to get me hooked on panadapters. Biggest limitation is that the maximum bandwidth with the old dell (based on the bandwidth of the soundcard) was 48khz - where's my pricy external soundcard allows 192Khz. . That may sound like a big deal, but truth be known since im a cw and rtty guy, I don't find much more than 50khz to be all that useful. Point is, as long as whatever MIC input u use is STEREO, you can use it and gain experience with it. Should mention that according to the author of NaP3, comocon works with NaP3. In fact he stated he prefers it because it loads faster. Detail: if u use lp-bridge, be sure to put NaP3 on the "set port." As for what's easiest and best... It depends on you. I own Win4k3. It is an interesting program, that brings lots to the table. However, for me, the only piece that was (is) of real interest is the panadaptor. You can download a trial and test for yourself. Personally, so far, I strongly prefer NaP3 as a panadapter.. But of course, there is no right or wrong regarding taste. what do I like? I LOVE that NaP3 can put spots right on the spectrum. Worth its weight in gold. I also love working Rtty and CW: positioning yourself in a pileup is incredibly easy. I just got a feature working called the data/text window, which displays decoded data or CW in one window and allows u to type in the other. For now, I count nap3 as second to my rig and antenna in importance to my enjoyment of the hobby. After all, I can still use a paper log if I have to... 73, Chris NW6V : "Ed" To: Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? Message-ID: <0ed701d10861$7230b660$56922320$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have a KX3. I would like to use my computer and laptop ( Windows 7 and Windows 8 ) to display a spectrum from my KX3, using the RX I/Q output. What is the simplest and recommended easiest way to do this? NaP3 ? I use my KX3 mostly on digital modes .... with SignaLink USB interface and sometimes with just the laptop soundcard interface. _____ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From N4CW at aol.com Sat Oct 17 22:18:26 2015 From: N4CW at aol.com (N4CW at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 22:18:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? Message-ID: <59fc8.525baa95.43545b72@aol.com> I can verify that I get the popping (more like a click) and it's loudest between 150 and 100 Hz transition. It doesn't bother me. My K3 is S/N 1326 and I have the new synth installed. Bert, N4CW From marrotte at verizon.net Sat Oct 17 22:45:48 2015 From: marrotte at verizon.net (Roger Marrotte) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 22:45:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 KXPD3 FS Message-ID: <000901d1094f$18dc1d40$4a9457c0$@verizon.net> The paddle has been sold pending payment. Thanks, Roger, W1EM From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Oct 18 01:47:08 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 22:47:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: References: <56227E69.30804@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5623325C.5090509@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,10/17/2015 11:58 AM, jim wrote: > I sent the rig in to Elecraft for upgrades AND to see if they could sort out > the constant hiss (with the AF gain fully counter clockwise) that I heard in > the Bose headphones with them set at "hi" sensitivity. Putting on my audio engineer's hat, THAT'S the likely cause -- that is, the "gain staging" is all wrong. The K3 has reasonably high output from the headphone amp, and you should be setting the audio gain in the K3 in it's normal range. Turning down the K3 AF gain and setting the Bose phones for high is a RECIPE for hiss, and may be the cause of the clicks too. 73, Jim K9YC From NZ3O at arrl.net Sun Oct 18 09:36:44 2015 From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 09:36:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S CONFIG: - Which Settings Are NOT Global? Message-ID: <5623A06C.5030904@arrl.net> Is anyone able to point me to a list of which CONFIG settings are not universal to all bands and modes? For example, PREAMP2 is per-band, and it won't even let you change the value when the radio is on a band it doesn't support. So, there is no "Universal ON" for Preamp2 so it's set for all its bands. Of course, this makes sense once you know it, but you have to know it to not wonder why you can't configure this setting while the radio is receiving 40 meter chit-chat. So, what are the others that work this way? It seems logical that the sub-receiver does, too. 73, Byron From anthony.scandurra at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 09:47:29 2015 From: anthony.scandurra at gmail.com (Anthony Scandurra) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 09:47:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: <5623325C.5090509@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <56227E69.30804@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5623325C.5090509@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: The clicks are there regardless of the level of the AF gain setting. The loudness of the clicks is affected by the AF gain setting, but they are still there. I'm using a Yamaha CM500 headset. It is the strongest when moving between the 0.10 and 0.15 bandwidth setting, but also occurs going between 0.15 and 0.20. 73, Tony K4QE On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sat,10/17/2015 11:58 AM, jim wrote: > >> I sent the rig in to Elecraft for upgrades AND to see if they could sort >> out >> the constant hiss (with the AF gain fully counter clockwise) that I heard >> in >> the Bose headphones with them set at "hi" sensitivity. >> > > Putting on my audio engineer's hat, THAT'S the likely cause -- that is, > the "gain staging" is all wrong. The K3 has reasonably high output from the > headphone amp, and you should be setting the audio gain in the K3 in it's > normal range. Turning down the K3 AF gain and setting the Bose phones for > high is a RECIPE for hiss, and may be the cause of the clicks too. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to anthony.scandurra at gmail.com > From NZ3O at arrl.net Sun Oct 18 09:52:45 2015 From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 09:52:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Config: Sub-Receiver Signal Path without BNC Antenna Message-ID: <5623A42D.1020200@arrl.net> It's unclear to me what the setting for KRX3 should be. 1. I do have the KRX3A installed. 2. I do NOT have an antenna on the BNC, nor on ANT2.. 3. I have a SINGLE SIGNAL PATH from antenna to K3S on ANT1. When I set KRX3 to KAT3, I believe it changes the sub antenna to K3S ANT2. This follows the description of using a separate "receive antenna path". But since I don't have a second path, I change it back to ANT1. Is this wrong? Is there no reason to have a KRX3A if you don't have a dedicated receive antenna? 73, Byron From k2mk at comcast.net Sun Oct 18 10:11:08 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 07:11:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Config: Sub-Receiver Signal Path without BNC Antenna In-Reply-To: <5623A42D.1020200@arrl.net> References: <5623A42D.1020200@arrl.net> Message-ID: <1445177468252-7609243.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Byron, If you have the BNC connector then it seems logical that you choose BNC when setting up the KRX3. From there the solution is quite simple. Just be sure when activating the Sub RX that the word MAIN comes up in the lower display. This tells you that the Sub RX is using the same antenna as your Main RX. If the work AUX comes up then just long hold the RX ANT button and you'll see the work MAIN come up. 73, Mike K2MK Byron Peebles wrote > It's unclear to me what the setting for KRX3 should be. > > 1. I do have the KRX3A installed. > 2. I do NOT have an antenna on the BNC, nor on ANT2.. > 3. I have a SINGLE SIGNAL PATH from antenna to K3S on ANT1. > > When I set KRX3 to KAT3, I believe it changes the sub antenna to K3S ANT2. > This follows the description of using a separate "receive antenna path". > But since I don't have a second path, I change it back to ANT1. > > Is this wrong? Is there no reason to have a KRX3A if you don't have a > dedicated receive antenna? > > 73, Byron -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-Config-Sub-Receiver-Signal-Path-without-BNC-Antenna-tp7609242p7609243.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Oct 18 10:15:03 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 09:15:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S CONFIG: - Which Settings Are NOT Global? In-Reply-To: <5623A06C.5030904@arrl.net> References: <5623A06C.5030904@arrl.net> Message-ID: <5623A967.4000504@blomand.net> I find the information of this type is found in the manual. Thus one must select or choose what configuration they desire for each band. I find this to be one item that makes the K3S unique and not "a cookie cutter" radio where one lives with what the factory decides. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 10/18/2015 8:36 AM, Byron Peebles wrote: > Is anyone able to point me to a list of which CONFIG settings are not > universal to all bands and modes? From tony.kaz at verizon.net Sun Oct 18 10:46:17 2015 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:46:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: <59fc8.525baa95.43545b72@aol.com> References: <59fc8.525baa95.43545b72@aol.com> Message-ID: <004201d109b3$c1de43a0$459acae0$@verizon.net> Took a closer listen for this. I need to set the audio level above 12 o'clock to hear the pop at narrow bandwidths. But I never operate with the audio control that high. So, it has not been an issue for me. Typically I have the RF Gain about 3:30 and the AF Gain at about 9:30. 73, N2TK, Tony #311, #1435 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bert via Elecraft Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 10:18 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? I can verify that I get the popping (more like a click) and it's loudest between 150 and 100 Hz transition. It doesn't bother me. My K3 is S/N 1326 and I have the new synth installed. Bert, N4CW ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From jbollit at outlook.com Sun Oct 18 10:48:48 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 07:48:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: <5623325C.5090509@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <56227E69.30804@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5623325C.5090509@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Jim, Thanks. Changing the Bose to "lo" position eliminates the background hiss (as it did before), but the popping is there, even with my Yamaha CM-500's when the DSP switches from 200 Hz to 150 Hz to 100 Hz, to 50 Hz. The popping was not there before the SYN (and software) upgrades. I also need to "normally" run the audio knob at 12:00 noon with the Bose set in "lo" sensitivity position and if I kick in the NR, the audio knob runs fully clockwise (max gain) to hear the V73 on 40 meters, as an example. Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 10:47 PM To: Reflector Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? On Sat,10/17/2015 11:58 AM, jim wrote: > I sent the rig in to Elecraft for upgrades AND to see if they could > sort out the constant hiss (with the AF gain fully counter clockwise) > that I heard in the Bose headphones with them set at "hi" sensitivity. Putting on my audio engineer's hat, THAT'S the likely cause -- that is, the "gain staging" is all wrong. The K3 has reasonably high output from the headphone amp, and you should be setting the audio gain in the K3 in it's normal range. Turning down the K3 AF gain and setting the Bose phones for high is a RECIPE for hiss, and may be the cause of the clicks too. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From jbollit at outlook.com Sun Oct 18 10:52:13 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 07:52:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: References: <56227E69.30804@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5623325C.5090509@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Tony, Thanks. I also noticed there are no clicks or pops when I change the DSP with the XFIL button. The roofing filters change, the DSP moves to the corresponding BW when using the XFIL button, no clicks! Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Scandurra Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 6:47 AM To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Cc: Reflector Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? The clicks are there regardless of the level of the AF gain setting. The loudness of the clicks is affected by the AF gain setting, but they are still there. I'm using a Yamaha CM500 headset. It is the strongest when moving between the 0.10 and 0.15 bandwidth setting, but also occurs going between 0.15 and 0.20. 73, Tony K4QE On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sat,10/17/2015 11:58 AM, jim wrote: > >> I sent the rig in to Elecraft for upgrades AND to see if they could >> sort out the constant hiss (with the AF gain fully counter clockwise) >> that I heard in the Bose headphones with them set at "hi" >> sensitivity. >> > > Putting on my audio engineer's hat, THAT'S the likely cause -- that > is, the "gain staging" is all wrong. The K3 has reasonably high output > from the headphone amp, and you should be setting the audio gain in > the K3 in it's normal range. Turning down the K3 AF gain and setting > the Bose phones for high is a RECIPE for hiss, and may be the cause of the clicks too. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > anthony.scandurra at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From fcady at montana.edu Sun Oct 18 11:25:38 2015 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 15:25:38 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Config: Sub-Receiver Signal Path without BNC Antenna In-Reply-To: <5623A42D.1020200@arrl.net> References: <5623A42D.1020200@arrl.net> Message-ID: Hi Byron, The setting for the config menu KRX3 depends on what antenna source (for the second of two antenna choices for the Sub receiver) is physically used. There are two choices for this physical connection that are made when the Sub receiver is installed. You must connect the Sub receiver either to the AUX BNC connector (I believe that is the default connection if the K3S and sub receiver are factory-built) or to the KAT3A antenna tuner. Changing from one to another is a matter of opening up the K3S and changing a TMP coax cable from one place to another. If the Sub is connected to the AUX BNC, then the config KRX3 should be Ant=Aux. If the Sub is connected to the KAT3A, then it should be Ant=Atu. In summary, the setting for KRX3 depends on how it is connected in the hardware. Now what antenna is actually connected? In each case you have two choices. The Sub receiver can share the Main receiver's main antenna or it can use either the AUX BNC or the antenna connected to the KAT3 that the main in not using. To switch between these two choice you hold RX ANT for a couple of seconds and the antenna that is activated is briefly shown in the VFO B area. When sharing the main antenna, you will see MAIN or when using the other antenna, you will see AUX. (And the somewhat confusing part of that is that AUX means either the other antenna on the KAT3 or the AUX BNC, depending on the hardware connection.) So in your case until you get another antenna you need to share the main antenna with the sub receiver. Hold RX ANT until you see MAIN. Cheers and 73, Fred KE7X Author of: "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Portable Elecraft KX3 ? Going for the Summit with the KX3 and KX3-2M/4M" ?The Elecraft KX-Line ? The Complete Station? ?The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 ? the K-Line Dream Station? Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com ?The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters ? Assembling the KX3-Line Station? printed copy available at www.lulu.com and pdf from www.ke7x.com. ?The Elecraft K3S and P3 ? Getting the Most out from Your High Performance Station?. Plus a book dedicated to the K3S upgrades for the K3 and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book are works in progress. Free guides at ke7x.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of Byron Peebles Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 7:52 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Config: Sub-Receiver Signal Path without BNC Antenna It's unclear to me what the setting for KRX3 should be. 1. I do have the KRX3A installed. 2. I do NOT have an antenna on the BNC, nor on ANT2.. 3. I have a SINGLE SIGNAL PATH from antenna to K3S on ANT1. When I set KRX3 to KAT3, I believe it changes the sub antenna to K3S ANT2. This follows the description of using a separate "receive antenna path". But since I don't have a second path, I change it back to ANT1. Is this wrong? Is there no reason to have a KRX3A if you don't have a dedicated receive antenna? 73, Byron ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From w2lj at verizon.net Sun Oct 18 11:42:25 2015 From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry W2LJ) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 11:42:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Tonight is the October RFTB Message-ID: Sunday night is the October 2015 edition of the Run For The Bacon. A friendly QRP Sprint that is held on the 3rd Sunday evening of every month, and is sponsored by the Flying Pigs Amateur Radio Club, International. The sprint is the same time, ragardless of time change: East Coast - 9:00 to 11:00 PM local time Midwest - 8:00 to 10:00 PM local time. Mountains - 7:00 to 9:00 PM local time. West Coast - 6:00 to 8:00 PM local time. Complete rules can be found at http://fpqrp.org/pigrun 72, "oo" es see you on the bands! Larry W2LJ - Flying Pig #612 From wes at triconet.org Sun Oct 18 11:46:34 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 08:46:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5623BEDA.7070501@triconet.org> As a point of reference, my old K3 with the original synthesizer board pops when changing BW. It's most noticeable going from 150 Hz to 100 Hz and vice versa. This is with normal AF gain and CM500 in rear headphone jack. On 10/16/2015 6:01 PM, jim wrote: > I just got my K3 back from Elecraft. They did the once over and installed > the new SYN boards. > > > > I have noticed a "popping" noise in the headphones as I change the bandwidth > control, but ONLY as I transition from 200 Hz, 150 Hz, 100 Hz and 50 Hz. I > have only checked this in the CW mode. > > > > This popping noise was not there before sending the rig in. > > > > I have the 500 Hz and 200 Hz crystal roofing filters installed, which is the > same configuration as I had before sending it to Elecraft. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Tnx > > > > Jim > > W6AIM > > From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 12:57:29 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:57:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Announcement Message-ID: <00d201d109c6$13742b50$3a5c81f0$@gmail.com> I apologize for the late notice today. The Elecraft SSB net will meet today at 1800 UTC on 14.3035, +/-QRM. I will be net control from my home QTH in the northern Atlanta suburbs. NOTE: Due to the CQ WW SSB contest next week, there will be no net. The net will resume on Sunday, 1 November at 1800 UTC. See everyone shortly. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kevinr at coho.net Sun Oct 18 13:18:55 2015 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 10:18:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <5623D47F.7090308@coho.net> Good Morning, Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From lists at subich.com Sun Oct 18 14:16:39 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:16:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: <5623BEDA.7070501@triconet.org> References: <5623BEDA.7070501@triconet.org> Message-ID: <5623E207.3090903@subich.com> On 10/18/2015 11:46 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > As a point of reference, my old K3 with the original synthesizer > board pops when changing BW. It's most noticeable going from 150 Hz > to 100 Hz and vice versa. There will be a slight pop when changing bandwidth between 150 and 100 Hz as the K3/K3S disables the RXEQ at bandwidths less than 150 Hz. The level of the "pop" will be related to the amount of EQ in use *around* *the center of the passband* (e.g., "pitch"). If for example, pitch is 500 Hz and bands 4 (400 Hz) and 5 (800 Hz) are 0, there will be little or no "pop". However, if one has 400/800 Hz set for significant boost there will be a fairly loud "pop" as the level changes. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/18/2015 11:46 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > As a point of reference, my old K3 with the original synthesizer board > pops when changing BW. It's most noticeable going from 150 Hz to 100 Hz > and vice versa. > This is with normal AF gain and CM500 in rear headphone jack. > > On 10/16/2015 6:01 PM, jim wrote: >> I just got my K3 back from Elecraft. They did the once over and >> installed >> the new SYN boards. >> >> >> I have noticed a "popping" noise in the headphones as I change the >> bandwidth >> control, but ONLY as I transition from 200 Hz, 150 Hz, 100 Hz and 50 >> Hz. I >> have only checked this in the CW mode. >> >> >> This popping noise was not there before sending the rig in. >> >> >> I have the 500 Hz and 200 Hz crystal roofing filters installed, which >> is the >> same configuration as I had before sending it to Elecraft. >> >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> >> Tnx >> >> >> Jim >> >> W6AIM >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From emoss98133 at msn.com Sun Oct 18 14:16:56 2015 From: emoss98133 at msn.com (KD7PY) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 11:16:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 main DSP Board upgrade Price ? Message-ID: <1445192216756-7609253.post@n2.nabble.com> Was posted a while ago that as soon as all the K3S' orders were caught up with that the new DSP upgrade board would be available.. I have been waiting to up grade mine along with the KSYN3AUPG. just waiting for costs and how close to being able to ship. Ed KD7PY ex K7WIA -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-main-DSP-Board-upgrade-Price-tp7609253.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Oct 18 14:29:43 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 11:29:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 main DSP Board upgrade Price ? In-Reply-To: <1445192216756-7609253.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445192216756-7609253.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5623E517.9080501@socal.rr.com> You are not alone, Ed :-) Phil W7OX On 10/18/15 11:16 AM, KD7PY wrote: > Was posted a while ago that as soon as all the K3S' orders were caught up > with that the new DSP upgrade board would be available.. I have been > waiting to up grade mine along with the KSYN3AUPG. > just waiting for costs and how close to being able to ship. > > Ed KD7PY ex K7WIA From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 14:40:55 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 21:40:55 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: <5623E207.3090903@subich.com> References: <5623BEDA.7070501@triconet.org> <5623E207.3090903@subich.com> Message-ID: <5623E7B7.5030105@gmail.com> Well, I have an old K3 plus new synths, I have the RX EQ set to zero dB all across its range, and I hear the noises. I would call them short tone bursts rather than pops, though. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 18 Oct 2015 21:16, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > On 10/18/2015 11:46 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >> As a point of reference, my old K3 with the original synthesizer >> board pops when changing BW. It's most noticeable going from 150 Hz >> to 100 Hz and vice versa. > > There will be a slight pop when changing bandwidth between 150 and 100 > Hz as the K3/K3S disables the RXEQ at bandwidths less than 150 Hz. The > level of the "pop" will be related to the amount of EQ in use *around* > *the center of the passband* (e.g., "pitch"). If for example, pitch is > 500 Hz and bands 4 (400 Hz) and 5 (800 Hz) are 0, there will be little > or no "pop". However, if one has 400/800 Hz set for significant boost > there will be a fairly loud "pop" as the level changes. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 10/18/2015 11:46 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >> As a point of reference, my old K3 with the original synthesizer board >> pops when changing BW. It's most noticeable going from 150 Hz to 100 Hz >> and vice versa. >> This is with normal AF gain and CM500 in rear headphone jack. >> >> On 10/16/2015 6:01 PM, jim wrote: >>> I just got my K3 back from Elecraft. They did the once over and >>> installed >>> the new SYN boards. >>> >>> >>> I have noticed a "popping" noise in the headphones as I change the >>> bandwidth >>> control, but ONLY as I transition from 200 Hz, 150 Hz, 100 Hz and 50 >>> Hz. I >>> have only checked this in the CW mode. >>> >>> >>> This popping noise was not there before sending the rig in. >>> >>> >>> I have the 500 Hz and 200 Hz crystal roofing filters installed, which >>> is the >>> same configuration as I had before sending it to Elecraft. >>> >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> >>> Tnx >>> >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> W6AIM From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 14:41:13 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:41:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Results Message-ID: All, Band conditions were a bit better today, QSB notwithstanding, and we had 32 check-ins, myself included. Today's check-ins were: N6JW John CA K3 936 K6VWE Stan MI K3 650 WV5I Dwayne TX K3 5287 VE3XM Bob ON K3 409 N7BDL Terry AZ K3S 10373 WB5JJA Ray OK K3 7877 K1NW Brian RI K3 4974 K5DJO David TX KX3 6755 W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 KB2MN Larry NJ KX3 3649 NQ5T Grant TX K3 2091 WB4BIN Dave TX K2 7550 VA7ZOO Bill BC KX3 3035 KE7HGE Ken WA KX3 4540 N0CE Dick MN K3 5105 KF7JCH Ron ID KX3 2262 WO1I Dick MA K3 911 W0CZ Ken ND K3S 10329 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 W7QHD Kurt AZ K2 1538 KN5L John TX K3 4448 K4GPJ Garry NC K3 1597 N2TNQ Len NJ K3 5270 WW4JF John TN K3 6185 N2LRB Jose NY KX3 7791 K8NU Carl OH K3 7976 W4JBB Joel AL KX3 4622 AE6JV Bill NH W7JJL John WA KX3 0993 KM4IK Ian GA K3 281 As a reminder, there will be no net next week, October 25, due to the CQ WW SSB Contest. The net will resume in two weeks, on Sunday, November 1. 73 and have a great week. --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624 North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 From dave at nk7z.net Sun Oct 18 14:46:49 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 11:46:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 main DSP Board upgrade Price ? In-Reply-To: <5623E517.9080501@socal.rr.com> References: <1445192216756-7609253.post@n2.nabble.com> <5623E517.9080501@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1445194009.32422.4.camel@nostromo.nk7z> No he isn't... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2015-10-18 at 11:29 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote: > You are not alone, Ed :-) > > Phil W7OX > > On 10/18/15 11:16 AM, KD7PY wrote: > > Was posted a while ago that as soon as all the K3S' orders were caught up > > with that the new DSP upgrade board would be available.. I have been > > waiting to up grade mine along with the KSYN3AUPG. > > just waiting for costs and how close to being able to ship. > > > > Ed KD7PY ex K7WIA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 14:54:16 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:54:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Results In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And, as promised, here's the fill on AE6JV: AE6JV Bill NH KX3 6454 Thanks for everyone's participation today. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624 North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Ian Kahn wrote: > All, > > Band conditions were a bit better today, QSB notwithstanding, and we had > 32 check-ins, myself included. Today's check-ins were: > > N6JW John CA K3 936 > K6VWE Stan MI K3 650 > WV5I Dwayne TX K3 5287 > VE3XM Bob ON K3 409 > N7BDL Terry AZ K3S 10373 > WB5JJA Ray OK K3 7877 > K1NW Brian RI K3 4974 > K5DJO David TX KX3 6755 > W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 > NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 > WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 > KB2MN Larry NJ KX3 3649 > NQ5T Grant TX K3 2091 > WB4BIN Dave TX K2 7550 > VA7ZOO Bill BC KX3 3035 > KE7HGE Ken WA KX3 4540 > N0CE Dick MN K3 5105 > KF7JCH Ron ID KX3 2262 > WO1I Dick MA K3 911 > W0CZ Ken ND K3S 10329 > NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 > W7QHD Kurt AZ K2 1538 > KN5L John TX K3 4448 > K4GPJ Garry NC K3 1597 > N2TNQ Len NJ K3 5270 > WW4JF John TN K3 6185 > N2LRB Jose NY KX3 7791 > K8NU Carl OH K3 7976 > W4JBB Joel AL KX3 4622 > AE6JV Bill NH > W7JJL John WA KX3 0993 > KM4IK Ian GA K3 281 > > As a reminder, there will be no net next week, October 25, due to the CQ > WW SSB Contest. The net will resume in two weeks, on Sunday, November 1. > > 73 and have a great week. > > --Ian > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > Roswell, GA EM74ua > km4ik.ian at gmail.com > 10-10 #74624 North Georgia Chapter #2038 > PODXS 070 #1962 > K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 14:56:37 2015 From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (Stephen Shearer) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 14:56:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 firmware 1.35 BETA available, USB keyboard In-Reply-To: <1444768859215-7609038.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1444768859215-7609038.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5623EB65.8060103@gmail.com> Paul, GREAT... I was doing a JOTA {Scout Jamboree on the Air} demo this weekend and the keyboard/PX3 worked as my digital demo. I got an opportunity to play CW, PSK, and RTTY. I really like the way you define the keys, allows for more than just function keys! (seeing how you have 50 messages). MY, FlyStone? Super Slim USB 2.0 78 Key Wired USB works great and is small. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CRBJ1VO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00 Buffer size - two lines? "vertical bar" works - just need a character(s) {maybe "\|" or "\t"} to start transmission. need a quicker reply to an RTTY CQ - one key to load/transmit/play/receive. I didn't try "serial number" [great btw] ... I sometimes need to repeat the number so the ability to decrement, too? I think 5 digits is wishful thinking? Time to try the macros next. "camping" in a cabin was roughing it without our "normal" internet. Keep up the good work, Steve WB3LGC On 13-Oct-15 4:40 PM, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote: > PX3 firmware version 1.35 beta is now available for download from the From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Oct 18 15:51:36 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 15:51:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S CONFIG: - Which Settings Are NOT Global? In-Reply-To: <5623A06C.5030904@arrl.net> References: <5623A06C.5030904@arrl.net> Message-ID: <5623F848.2020006@embarqmail.com> Byron, The settings that are per band or per mode are listed in the list of menu items about 2/3 of the way through the manual. The ones which do *not* state per band or per mode are the ones you are asking about. Read through the information contained in the right hand box of that menu list and you will have the information you desire. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/18/2015 9:36 AM, Byron Peebles wrote: > Is anyone able to point me to a list of which CONFIG settings are not > universal to all bands and modes? > > For example, PREAMP2 is per-band, and it won't even let you change the > value when the radio is on a band it doesn't support. So, there is no > "Universal ON" for Preamp2 so it's set for all its bands. Of course, > this makes sense once you know it, but you have to know it to not > wonder why you can't configure this setting while the radio is > receiving 40 meter chit-chat. > From jbollit at outlook.com Sun Oct 18 15:56:17 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:56:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: <5623E207.3090903@subich.com> References: <5623BEDA.7070501@triconet.org> <5623E207.3090903@subich.com> Message-ID: Joe, Thanks for the input, I will play with those settings and reply back to the reflector. Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 11:17 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? On 10/18/2015 11:46 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > As a point of reference, my old K3 with the original synthesizer board > pops when changing BW. It's most noticeable going from 150 Hz to 100 > Hz and vice versa. There will be a slight pop when changing bandwidth between 150 and 100 Hz as the K3/K3S disables the RXEQ at bandwidths less than 150 Hz. The level of the "pop" will be related to the amount of EQ in use *around* *the center of the passband* (e.g., "pitch"). If for example, pitch is 500 Hz and bands 4 (400 Hz) and 5 (800 Hz) are 0, there will be little or no "pop". However, if one has 400/800 Hz set for significant boost there will be a fairly loud "pop" as the level changes. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/18/2015 11:46 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > As a point of reference, my old K3 with the original synthesizer board > pops when changing BW. It's most noticeable going from 150 Hz to 100 > Hz and vice versa. > This is with normal AF gain and CM500 in rear headphone jack. > > On 10/16/2015 6:01 PM, jim wrote: >> I just got my K3 back from Elecraft. They did the once over and >> installed the new SYN boards. >> >> >> I have noticed a "popping" noise in the headphones as I change the >> bandwidth control, but ONLY as I transition from 200 Hz, 150 Hz, 100 >> Hz and 50 Hz. I have only checked this in the CW mode. >> >> >> This popping noise was not there before sending the rig in. >> >> >> I have the 500 Hz and 200 Hz crystal roofing filters installed, which >> is the same configuration as I had before sending it to Elecraft. >> >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> >> Tnx >> >> >> Jim >> >> W6AIM >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > lists at subich.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From jbollit at outlook.com Sun Oct 18 15:59:52 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 12:59:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: <5623E7B7.5030105@gmail.com> References: <5623BEDA.7070501@triconet.org> <5623E207.3090903@subich.com> <5623E7B7.5030105@gmail.com> Message-ID: Vic, Thanks. There is no "tone" that I would associate with what I am hearing. It is more a burst of noise, but transient in nature. Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 11:41 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? Well, I have an old K3 plus new synths, I have the RX EQ set to zero dB all across its range, and I hear the noises. I would call them short tone bursts rather than pops, though. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 18 Oct 2015 21:16, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > On 10/18/2015 11:46 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >> As a point of reference, my old K3 with the original synthesizer >> board pops when changing BW. It's most noticeable going from 150 Hz >> to 100 Hz and vice versa. > > There will be a slight pop when changing bandwidth between 150 and 100 > Hz as the K3/K3S disables the RXEQ at bandwidths less than 150 Hz. > The level of the "pop" will be related to the amount of EQ in use > *around* *the center of the passband* (e.g., "pitch"). If for > example, pitch is > 500 Hz and bands 4 (400 Hz) and 5 (800 Hz) are 0, there will be little > or no "pop". However, if one has 400/800 Hz set for significant boost > there will be a fairly loud "pop" as the level changes. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 10/18/2015 11:46 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >> As a point of reference, my old K3 with the original synthesizer >> board pops when changing BW. It's most noticeable going from 150 Hz >> to 100 Hz and vice versa. >> This is with normal AF gain and CM500 in rear headphone jack. >> >> On 10/16/2015 6:01 PM, jim wrote: >>> I just got my K3 back from Elecraft. They did the once over and >>> installed the new SYN boards. >>> >>> >>> I have noticed a "popping" noise in the headphones as I change the >>> bandwidth control, but ONLY as I transition from 200 Hz, 150 Hz, 100 >>> Hz and 50 Hz. I have only checked this in the CW mode. >>> >>> >>> This popping noise was not there before sending the rig in. >>> >>> >>> I have the 500 Hz and 200 Hz crystal roofing filters installed, >>> which is the same configuration as I had before sending it to >>> Elecraft. >>> >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> >>> Tnx >>> >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> W6AIM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Oct 18 17:32:30 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:32:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: <5623E207.3090903@subich.com> References: <5623BEDA.7070501@triconet.org> <5623E207.3090903@subich.com> Message-ID: <56240FEE.70204@blomand.net> Thanks for the detailed explanation. I was beginning to wonder when and if someone would advance a valid explanation. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 10/18/2015 1:16 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > There will be a slight pop when changing bandwidth between 150 and 100 > Hz as the K3/K3S disables the RXEQ at bandwidths less than 150 Hz. The > level of the "pop" will be related to the amount of EQ in use *around* > *the center of the passband* (e.g., "pitch"). If for example, pitch is > 500 Hz and bands 4 (400 Hz) and 5 (800 Hz) are 0, there will be little > or no "pop". However, if one has 400/800 Hz set for significant boost > there will be a fairly loud "pop" as the level changes. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 18:01:28 2015 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 15:01:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: <56240FEE.70204@blomand.net> References: <5623BEDA.7070501@triconet.org> <5623E207.3090903@subich.com> <56240FEE.70204@blomand.net> Message-ID: <562416B8.5030004@gmail.com> The selection of IIR versus FIR filtering for the narrowest bandwidths (50 Hz and 100 Hz) may also have some effect on this. In general, the K3 and K3S switch to a different filtering algorithm for these two bandwidths. The loading of coefficients and filter settling time -- and to some extent the difference in "energy" that may be stored in these filters from the last time they were selected and this time -- may combine to produce a small artifact during filter selection. I'll state again that using the Rx EQ to provide additional filtering doesn't work. The K3 creates a single filter that combines the bandwidth, center frequency, manual notch *and* RxEQ parameters. And in general it is a good idea to use rx EQ to tailor the audio response using cuts away from, rather than boosts of, preferred pitches, especially near pitches you are likely to want to monitor in CW operation. The intended purpose of the Rx EQ is to help tailor the radio to your speakers or headphones, not to provide selectivity or signal enhancement. 73, Lyle KK7P > Thanks for the detailed explanation. I was beginning to wonder when > and if someone would advance a valid explanation. > >> There will be a slight pop when changing bandwidth between 150 and 100 >> Hz as the K3/K3S disables the RXEQ at bandwidths less than 150 Hz. The >> level of the "pop" will be related to the amount of EQ in use *around* >> *the center of the passband* (e.g., "pitch")... From ac5p at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 18 18:09:21 2015 From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (ac5p at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 22:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT research help References: <147366836.1840354.1445206161689.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <147366836.1840354.1445206161689.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Am trying to determine when friend of mine, W7FG began advertising "True Ladder Line" in QST magazine???? Believe this to be in the 1995-2000 time frame.Would anyone have easy access to QST magazines between '95 and '00???? Tried the online ARRL web archives but NO luck on tracking advertisers.? If someone can help me, please reply off list direct.??? Looking for when "600 ohm True Ladder Line" would be added to W7FG Vintage Manual ads. Thanks and 73, Mike?? From k.alexander at rogers.com Sun Oct 18 19:24:14 2015 From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 19:24:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Weird behavior with WSPR Message-ID: <56242A1E.50606@rogers.com> I installed WSPR version 2.12_r3617 a few days ago and it does not "appear" to be transmitting. The VOX on my KX3 activates and the TX LED lights up, but no ALC bars. Switching between the ALC meter and the SWR/Power meter I can see that I'm putting out 5 watts, but apparently no audio based on the lack of an indication on the ALC meter. HOWEVER, people are reporting receiving me on WSPRnet, so I'm not seeing any ALC indication but I'm getting out. - The audio interface is a Creative model SB1095 external USB soundcard. - I'm using the latest version of WSJT-X successfully with the same setup. - Mode: DATA A This is weird. Can anyone enlighten me as to what is or isn't happening? I'd appreciate any assistance! 73, Ken Alexander VE3HLS From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Oct 18 21:05:29 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 21:05:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Weird behavior with WSPR In-Reply-To: <56242A1E.50606@rogers.com> References: <56242A1E.50606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <562441D9.9050901@embarqmail.com> Ken, I am not going to guess at exactly where your problem may be - other than to say it is somewhere in the audio being fed to your KX3. You may be getting power out, but if you do not drive the audio to the 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flickering, your power output will not be steady. That is just the way it works with the KX3 power control system. The software application can cause more or less audio output, so it may be that the audio level produced by WSJT-X is different than that produced by WSPR 2.12. There is one thing seldom mentioned about the KX3 - if you drive the audio too hard (overload), it will appear as though you do not have sufficient audio. Set the sliders for the soundcard output to about half scale, and then start with the KX3 mic gain at a low level. Then bring the MIC gain up until you see the proper amount of audio. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/18/2015 7:24 PM, Ken Alexander wrote: > I installed WSPR version 2.12_r3617 a few days ago and it does not > "appear" to be transmitting. The VOX on my KX3 activates and the TX > LED lights up, but no ALC bars. Switching between the ALC meter and > the SWR/Power meter I can see that I'm putting out 5 watts, but > apparently no audio based on the lack of an indication on the ALC > meter. HOWEVER, people are reporting receiving me on WSPRnet, so I'm > not seeing any ALC indication but I'm getting out. > > - The audio interface is a Creative model SB1095 external USB soundcard. > - I'm using the latest version of WSJT-X successfully with the same > setup. > - Mode: DATA A > From wes at triconet.org Sun Oct 18 21:23:51 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 18:23:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: <5623E207.3090903@subich.com> References: <5623BEDA.7070501@triconet.org> <5623E207.3090903@subich.com> Message-ID: <56244627.2080308@triconet.org> I don't use any RXEQ and my pitch is usually between 400 and 450 Hz. Yes, 100->150 is "worse", although not particularly objectionable; a curiosity actually. But there are other pops too, 750->800 is about the same and there is also a dependence upon the shift. On 10/18/2015 11:16 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > On 10/18/2015 11:46 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >> As a point of reference, my old K3 with the original synthesizer >> board pops when changing BW. It's most noticeable going from 150 Hz >> to 100 Hz and vice versa. > > There will be a slight pop when changing bandwidth between 150 and 100 > Hz as the K3/K3S disables the RXEQ at bandwidths less than 150 Hz. The > level of the "pop" will be related to the amount of EQ in use *around* > *the center of the passband* (e.g., "pitch"). If for example, pitch is > 500 Hz and bands 4 (400 Hz) and 5 (800 Hz) are 0, there will be little > or no "pop". However, if one has 400/800 Hz set for significant boost > there will be a fairly loud "pop" as the level changes. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > From k.alexander at rogers.com Sun Oct 18 21:39:08 2015 From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 21:39:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Weird behavior with WSPR In-Reply-To: <56242B51.8020707@gmail.com> References: <56242A1E.50606@rogers.com> <56242B51.8020707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <562449BC.6010709@rogers.com> Thanks Guys! That did it! WSJT-X has a transmit level control and WSPR doesn't. Turn out the output level coming from WSPR is much higher than from WSJT-X. I had to reduce the Mic Level down to 1 to get it to work. It's bedtime now. Tomorrow, I'll reduce the level in Playback Devices so I can level the Mic Level the same for both programs. Lyle, maybe the firmware could be modified so that all of the ALC bars flash if the transmitter is being overdriven? Just a thought. With no bars showing the natural inclination is to dial up the level until you see something, which turns out to be the opposite of what should be done. Thanks again gents! 73 - Ken On 2015-10-18 7:29 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: > Be sure you are not overdriving the Tx audio input. Drop mic gain to > 0, transmit, then slowly bring up the mic gain. Overdrive will cause > the ALC indication to misbehave. This is on my list of DSP tasks when > I get a roundtuit. > > Lyle KK7P > > On 10/18/15 4:24 PM, Ken Alexander wrote: >> I installed WSPR version 2.12_r3617 a few days ago and it does not >> "appear" to be transmitting. The VOX on my KX3 activates and the TX >> LED lights up, but no ALC bars. Switching between the ALC meter and >> the SWR/Power meter I can see that I'm putting out 5 watts, but >> apparently no audio based on the lack of an indication on the ALC >> meter. HOWEVER, people are reporting receiving me on WSPRnet, so I'm >> not seeing any ALC indication but I'm getting out. >> >> - The audio interface is a Creative model SB1095 external USB soundcard. >> - I'm using the latest version of WSJT-X successfully with the same >> setup. >> - Mode: DATA A >> >> This is weird. Can anyone enlighten me as to what is or isn't >> happening? I'd appreciate any assistance! >> >> 73, >> >> Ken Alexander >> VE3HLS >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kk7p4dsp at gmail.com > > From jthorpe at liberty.edu Sun Oct 18 22:00:48 2015 From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 02:00:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Weird behavior with WSPR In-Reply-To: <562449BC.6010709@rogers.com> References: <56242A1E.50606@rogers.com> <56242B51.8020707@gmail.com>,<562449BC.6010709@rogers.com> Message-ID: <54A9C9D3-BB2A-4385-A44C-A449BE40A0B0@liberty.edu> I think that's an awesome idea Lyle! It took me a while to figure that one out, and it's the first thing (or one of them) that I tell someone when I find out the just got a KX3. Jeff - kg7hdz > On Oct 18, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Ken Alexander wrote: > > Thanks Guys! > > That did it! WSJT-X has a transmit level control and WSPR doesn't. Turn out the output level coming from WSPR is much higher than from WSJT-X. I had to reduce the Mic Level down to 1 to get it to work. > > It's bedtime now. Tomorrow, I'll reduce the level in Playback Devices so I can level the Mic Level the same for both programs. > > Lyle, maybe the firmware could be modified so that all of the ALC bars flash if the transmitter is being overdriven? Just a thought. With no bars showing the natural inclination is to dial up the level until you see something, which turns out to be the opposite of what should be done. > > Thanks again gents! > > 73 - Ken > > > >> On 2015-10-18 7:29 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: >> Be sure you are not overdriving the Tx audio input. Drop mic gain to 0, transmit, then slowly bring up the mic gain. Overdrive will cause the ALC indication to misbehave. This is on my list of DSP tasks when I get a roundtuit. >> >> Lyle KK7P >> >>> On 10/18/15 4:24 PM, Ken Alexander wrote: >>> I installed WSPR version 2.12_r3617 a few days ago and it does not "appear" to be transmitting. The VOX on my KX3 activates and the TX LED lights up, but no ALC bars. Switching between the ALC meter and the SWR/Power meter I can see that I'm putting out 5 watts, but apparently no audio based on the lack of an indication on the ALC meter. HOWEVER, people are reporting receiving me on WSPRnet, so I'm not seeing any ALC indication but I'm getting out. >>> >>> - The audio interface is a Creative model SB1095 external USB soundcard. >>> - I'm using the latest version of WSJT-X successfully with the same setup. >>> - Mode: DATA A >>> >>> This is weird. Can anyone enlighten me as to what is or isn't happening? I'd appreciate any assistance! >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Ken Alexander >>> VE3HLS >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kk7p4dsp at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jthorpe at liberty.edu From k.alexander at rogers.com Sun Oct 18 22:10:10 2015 From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 22:10:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Weird behavior with WSPR In-Reply-To: <54A9C9D3-BB2A-4385-A44C-A449BE40A0B0@liberty.edu> References: <56242A1E.50606@rogers.com> <56242B51.8020707@gmail.com> <562449BC.6010709@rogers.com> <54A9C9D3-BB2A-4385-A44C-A449BE40A0B0@liberty.edu> Message-ID: <56245102.3030605@rogers.com> That's my good idea for this year. There won't be another one until 2016! 73 - Ken On 2015-10-18 10:00 PM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote: > I think that's an awesome idea Lyle! > It took me a while to figure that one out, and it's the first thing (or one of them) that I tell someone when I find out the just got a KX3. > > Jeff - kg7hdz > >> On Oct 18, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Ken Alexander wrote: >> >> Thanks Guys! >> >> That did it! WSJT-X has a transmit level control and WSPR doesn't. Turn out the output level coming from WSPR is much higher than from WSJT-X. I had to reduce the Mic Level down to 1 to get it to work. >> >> It's bedtime now. Tomorrow, I'll reduce the level in Playback Devices so I can level the Mic Level the same for both programs. >> >> Lyle, maybe the firmware could be modified so that all of the ALC bars flash if the transmitter is being overdriven? Just a thought. With no bars showing the natural inclination is to dial up the level until you see something, which turns out to be the opposite of what should be done. >> >> Thanks again gents! >> >> 73 - Ken >> >> >> >>> On 2015-10-18 7:29 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: >>> Be sure you are not overdriving the Tx audio input. Drop mic gain to 0, transmit, then slowly bring up the mic gain. Overdrive will cause the ALC indication to misbehave. This is on my list of DSP tasks when I get a roundtuit. >>> >>> Lyle KK7P >>> >>>> On 10/18/15 4:24 PM, Ken Alexander wrote: >>>> I installed WSPR version 2.12_r3617 a few days ago and it does not "appear" to be transmitting. The VOX on my KX3 activates and the TX LED lights up, but no ALC bars. Switching between the ALC meter and the SWR/Power meter I can see that I'm putting out 5 watts, but apparently no audio based on the lack of an indication on the ALC meter. HOWEVER, people are reporting receiving me on WSPRnet, so I'm not seeing any ALC indication but I'm getting out. >>>> >>>> - The audio interface is a Creative model SB1095 external USB soundcard. >>>> - I'm using the latest version of WSJT-X successfully with the same setup. >>>> - Mode: DATA A >>>> >>>> This is weird. Can anyone enlighten me as to what is or isn't happening? I'd appreciate any assistance! >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Ken Alexander >>>> VE3HLS >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to kk7p4dsp at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jthorpe at liberty.edu From jthorpe at liberty.edu Sun Oct 18 22:23:33 2015 From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 02:23:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Weird behavior with WSPR In-Reply-To: <56245102.3030605@rogers.com> References: <56242A1E.50606@rogers.com> <56242B51.8020707@gmail.com> <562449BC.6010709@rogers.com> <54A9C9D3-BB2A-4385-A44C-A449BE40A0B0@liberty.edu>, <56245102.3030605@rogers.com> Message-ID: <77E86BD4-C4E0-4B5A-BD06-72FB68B01A34@liberty.edu> Whoops! Sorry! Ken's idea - not Lyle's. You get the credit Ken. It's a winner. Jeff - kg7hdz > On Oct 18, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Ken Alexander wrote: > > That's my good idea for this year. There won't be another one until 2016! > > 73 - Ken > > >> On 2015-10-18 10:00 PM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote: >> I think that's an awesome idea Lyle! >> It took me a while to figure that one out, and it's the first thing (or one of them) that I tell someone when I find out the just got a KX3. >> >> Jeff - kg7hdz >> >>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Ken Alexander wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Guys! >>> >>> That did it! WSJT-X has a transmit level control and WSPR doesn't. Turn out the output level coming from WSPR is much higher than from WSJT-X. I had to reduce the Mic Level down to 1 to get it to work. >>> >>> It's bedtime now. Tomorrow, I'll reduce the level in Playback Devices so I can level the Mic Level the same for both programs. >>> >>> Lyle, maybe the firmware could be modified so that all of the ALC bars flash if the transmitter is being overdriven? Just a thought. With no bars showing the natural inclination is to dial up the level until you see something, which turns out to be the opposite of what should be done. >>> >>> Thanks again gents! >>> >>> 73 - Ken >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 2015-10-18 7:29 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: >>>> Be sure you are not overdriving the Tx audio input. Drop mic gain to 0, transmit, then slowly bring up the mic gain. Overdrive will cause the ALC indication to misbehave. This is on my list of DSP tasks when I get a roundtuit. >>>> >>>> Lyle KK7P >>>> >>>>> On 10/18/15 4:24 PM, Ken Alexander wrote: >>>>> I installed WSPR version 2.12_r3617 a few days ago and it does not "appear" to be transmitting. The VOX on my KX3 activates and the TX LED lights up, but no ALC bars. Switching between the ALC meter and the SWR/Power meter I can see that I'm putting out 5 watts, but apparently no audio based on the lack of an indication on the ALC meter. HOWEVER, people are reporting receiving me on WSPRnet, so I'm not seeing any ALC indication but I'm getting out. >>>>> >>>>> - The audio interface is a Creative model SB1095 external USB soundcard. >>>>> - I'm using the latest version of WSJT-X successfully with the same setup. >>>>> - Mode: DATA A >>>>> >>>>> This is weird. Can anyone enlighten me as to what is or isn't happening? I'd appreciate any assistance! >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> Ken Alexander >>>>> VE3HLS >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to kk7p4dsp at gmail.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jthorpe at liberty.edu > From xtr348165 at xtra.co.nz Sun Oct 18 23:12:07 2015 From: xtr348165 at xtra.co.nz (paulb) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 20:12:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX-3 Transmit Audio - Echo on TX SSB - interesting find Message-ID: <1445224327208-7609274.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Folks I have owned a KX-3 for a couple of years, have fitted the filter board and auto-tuner and a set of internal batteries and charger. Certainly a tidy package. Something I like using is a small light headset aka cheap and cheerful pc gaming type hardware. i use these on my K2 and K3 with great results. The heavy bass needs taming down, simple RC filter does the trick. >From day one the KX-3 seemed very bass heavy. Something didn't sound quite right, an odd echo on SSB with higher mic gain settings. Bias for the Mic was enabled to power the insert. Setting for TX EQ -16 for 100 200 400 hz. I added a 0.047uF cap into the mic line to roll the low end audio. This prevents the mic power from working, so figured the unused mic up/down line could be used. It is about 2.5volts in series with 5.6k. So we now have a working mic, with minor internal changes at the mic socket. But the echo seemed if anything worse at higher mic gain. Now as a long shot terminated the mic up/down line with about 10uF electro. This would ensure the bias supply is clean. Echo is now gone. Totally. I suspect what is happening is headset plugs are sitting accross the up/down line, some audio is ending up where is should not be. I am well pleased. The 3 components ( 0.047uF 5.6k 10uF ) can be mounted directly on the KX-3 mic socket. It's a squeeze but works well cheers from ZL Paul zl1ajy -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX-3-Transmit-Audio-Echo-on-TX-SSB-interesting-find-tp7609274.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Oct 18 23:24:41 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 20:24:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Weird behavior with WSPR In-Reply-To: <56242A1E.50606@rogers.com> References: <56242A1E.50606@rogers.com> Message-ID: <56246279.9090704@foothill.net> We should all have this "problem." :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - WACC Admin Dude - Northern California Contest Club - Sponsor: Worked All California Counties Award (WACC) - www.nccc.cc/awards.html On 10/18/2015 4:24 PM, Ken Alexander wrote: > HOWEVER, > people are reporting receiving me on WSPRnet, so I'm not seeing any ALC > indication but I'm getting out. From rollen at comcast.net Sun Oct 18 23:57:28 2015 From: rollen at comcast.net (Bert Rollen) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 22:57:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote shutdown of K3? Message-ID: So, how does one remotely start up and shut down a K3 (and the rest of the station?) Bert Bert Rollen, PMP rollen at comcast.net 865-599-6074 From k.alexander at rogers.com Mon Oct 19 00:10:17 2015 From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 00:10:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [Bulk] Re: KX3: Weird behavior with WSPR In-Reply-To: <56246279.9090704@foothill.net> References: <56242A1E.50606@rogers.com> <56246279.9090704@foothill.net> Message-ID: <56246D29.4010405@rogers.com> Ha ha! The problem was I was overdriving the KX3 so there was audio going out with my signal (probably horribly distorted) but the ALC meter didn't (couldn't) indicate that that's what was happening. Now I know better. 73 - Ken On 2015-10-18 11:24 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > We should all have this "problem." :-) > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - WACC Admin Dude > - Northern California Contest Club > - Sponsor: Worked All California Counties Award (WACC) > - www.nccc.cc/awards.html > On 10/18/2015 4:24 PM, Ken Alexander wrote: > >> HOWEVER, >> people are reporting receiving me on WSPRnet, so I'm not seeing any ALC >> indication but I'm getting out. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k.alexander at rogers.com > From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Oct 19 00:19:21 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 21:19:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operations Message-ID: <56246F49.7060207@foothill.net> Thanks to all who have responded. I now know: 1. RemoteRig is Swedish, not German. 2. In the words of my buddy N6XI, "Just a few too many moving parts." It is indeed highly configurable, which is good if you know what configuration you want ... not so much if you don't. 3. I already have one leg up on this horse, Tom has fully configured the remote radio end, all I have to do is take care of my control end. 4. I found a Yahoo Group for the RemoteRig box [thanks Mitch, DJ0QN] which is probably a better forum for this than the Elecraft reflector inasmuch this does not involve popping in the headphones. :-) I will stick with this, I've never met a technology yet that I couldn't master ... or break, and I'm 75. In the interest of E'craft list BW, how about we move anything else to the RemoteRig Forum, where it probably belongs. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org PS: The horse metaphor is appropriate, W7RN is at 6,500' outside of Virginia City NV and is wild horse territory. All open range. From dj0qn at gmx.net Mon Oct 19 01:09:42 2015 From: dj0qn at gmx.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Mitch_Wolfson=2c_DJ=c3=98QN_/_K7DX?=) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 07:09:42 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operations In-Reply-To: <56246F49.7060207@foothill.net> References: <56246F49.7060207@foothill.net> Message-ID: <56247B16.6040709@gmx.net> Hi Fred and the others, I was referring to the RemoteRig Forum at their web site: http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php This is the main place to get information and support specifically for the RemoteRig hardware. There is also a Yahoo Group, but it is neither monitored nor supported by Microbit (RemoteRig). While I am at it, I will mention that if anyone needs assistance with their network setup, I offer anyone who sends me a short e-mail request a networking checklist that walks them through the installation process. It has helped over 300 OM's get their RemoteRig setup working so far. There is no need to be afraid of the complexity, it is a one-off installation and the checklist should help you get through it. Just note that I will be somewhat offline the next three days moving to Florida for my retirement, but feel free to ask me for checklist at any time. 73, Mitch DJ0QN Mitch Wolfson DJ?QN / K7DX Neubiberger Str. 21, 85640 Putzbrunn Skype: mitchwo - Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile:+49 172 8374436 ab/from November 2015: 3921 Leeward Passage Ct. #201 Bonita Springs, FL 34134, USA Skype: mitchwo - Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-7191 On 19.10.2015 06:19, Fred Jensen wrote: > Thanks to all who have responded. I now know: > > 1. RemoteRig is Swedish, not German. > > 2. In the words of my buddy N6XI, "Just a few too many moving parts." > It is indeed highly configurable, which is good if you know what > configuration you want ... not so much if you don't. > > 3. I already have one leg up on this horse, Tom has fully configured > the remote radio end, all I have to do is take care of my control end. > > 4. I found a Yahoo Group for the RemoteRig box [thanks Mitch, DJ0QN] > which is probably a better forum for this than the Elecraft reflector > inasmuch this does not involve popping in the headphones. :-) > > I will stick with this, I've never met a technology yet that I > couldn't master ... or break, and I'm 75. > > In the interest of E'craft list BW, how about we move anything else to > the RemoteRig Forum, where it probably belongs. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 > - www.cqp.org > > PS: The horse metaphor is appropriate, W7RN is at 6,500' outside of > Virginia City NV and is wild horse territory. All open range. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dj0qn at arrl.net > From kh at kh-translation.dk Mon Oct 19 05:42:28 2015 From: kh at kh-translation.dk (Kjeld Holm) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:42:28 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Internal 2M xvtr in K3s In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004b01d10a52$780b7d70$68227850$@kh-translation.dk> My dealer-installed 2 M transverter in K3 can be adjusted to outputs between 1W and 10W. Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kel From kd0bcf at yahoo.com Mon Oct 19 07:09:32 2015 From: kd0bcf at yahoo.com (Tom Fitzgerald) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 06:09:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Beware... Message-ID: Some of you may belong to several groups that correspond to the different radios you may own, I do. I own an Icom 756 Pro 3 and belong to that group as well. Recently I've noticed an individual posting a 7800 for sale on both the E Reflector as well as this group's site. What I find interesting is that he's also posting it on the Yahoo 756 Pro 3 group's site as well only with a completely different reason for selling it. "Reason for selling? I upgraded to an IC-7850." Hm???? His reason for selling given to this group & the Yahoo group was because he "upgraded" to the K3 & now owns the entire K line. Smell fishy??? Does to me. Buyer beware, "A fool and his money are soon parted."...great advice given to me as a teen from my best friends dad. From pincon at erols.com Mon Oct 19 07:43:34 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 07:43:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Beware... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001c01d10a63$66857f40$33907dc0$@erols.com> Your friend's dad was P.T Barnum??? Chas Buyer beware, "A fool and his money are soon parted."...great advice given to me as a teen from my best friends dad. From g0hvs at yahoo.co.uk Mon Oct 19 07:44:09 2015 From: g0hvs at yahoo.co.uk (G0HVS) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 04:44:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Buying from the UK Message-ID: <1445255049605-7609282.post@n2.nabble.com> First, yes I have searched the archives and haven't seen anything recent on this, sorry If I've missed relevant posts. Previously, I have always bought direct from Elecraft, but that was because W&S weren't selling Elecraft kit in the UK. I am looking at buying a kit KX3 with a few modules. What are the pros/cons of US/UK purchase? Looks to me as though US purchase means I have to pay VAT on import and it takes time, but overall cost is down (about ?200). Has anyone managed to get a discount from W&S to bring the purchase in line with the US price+postage? QRP Project seems to be a bit cheaper than W&S, but still nowhere near the direct Elecraft price. Thanks Dave GM0HVS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Buying-from-the-UK-tp7609282.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w4grj at satterfield.org Mon Oct 19 08:20:28 2015 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (W4GRJ) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 05:20:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles Message-ID: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> All of a sudden my KPA500 is misbehaving. It sounds like it is arcing inside and smells the classic something is burning smell. SWR LED's are dancing upwards as it arcs. KAT500 tuner has the SWR around 1.3:1 I will probably send it off to Elecraft but thought I would ask here for suggestions to look at before I send it off. Thanks, Jack W4GRJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-troubles-tp7609284.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From zut1369 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 19 08:35:34 2015 From: zut1369 at yahoo.com (Sam Binkley) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FS: TxMon option for P3 References: <663456802.2590631.1445258134593.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <663456802.2590631.1445258134593.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> TxMon option for P3 for sale, includes DCHF-200 coupler (1.8-54MHz 200 watt). Used less than one month. $190 shipped in U.S. Please contact off list. 73, Sam Binkley, AL7V From efortner at ctc.net Mon Oct 19 08:53:08 2015 From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:53:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles In-Reply-To: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <003001d10a6d$1b5abee0$52103ca0$@net> Test it one more time with a 50 ohm dummy load on the output to make sure you don't have a problem between your antenna and KPA 500 SO239 output connector. 73, Earl K4KAY -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W4GRJ Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:20 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles All of a sudden my KPA500 is misbehaving. It sounds like it is arcing inside and smells the classic something is burning smell. SWR LED's are dancing upwards as it arcs. KAT500 tuner has the SWR around 1.3:1 I will probably send it off to Elecraft but thought I would ask here for suggestions to look at before I send it off. Thanks, Jack W4GRJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-troubles-tp7609284.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to efortner at ctc.net From w4grj at satterfield.org Mon Oct 19 09:07:17 2015 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (w4grj) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:07:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles In-Reply-To: <003001d10a6d$1b5abee0$52103ca0$@net> References: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> <003001d10a6d$1b5abee0$52103ca0$@net> Message-ID: <000301d10a6f$15130270$3f390750$@org> Good suggestion...I will do that However, I am running barefoot 100 watts thru the KAT500 with no issues. Tnx, Jack W4GRJ -----Original Message----- From: efortner [mailto:efortner at ctc.net] Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:53 AM To: 'W4GRJ'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles Test it one more time with a 50 ohm dummy load on the output to make sure you don't have a problem between your antenna and KPA 500 SO239 output connector. 73, Earl K4KAY -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W4GRJ Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:20 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles All of a sudden my KPA500 is misbehaving. It sounds like it is arcing inside and smells the classic something is burning smell. SWR LED's are dancing upwards as it arcs. KAT500 tuner has the SWR around 1.3:1 I will probably send it off to Elecraft but thought I would ask here for suggestions to look at before I send it off. Thanks, Jack W4GRJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-troubles-tp7609284.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to efortner at ctc.net From ken at arkayengravers.com Mon Oct 19 09:09:29 2015 From: ken at arkayengravers.com (Ken Kaplan) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:09:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s custom bezels Message-ID: <5624EB89.5010304@arkayengravers.com> Hi all. I am currently accepting requests for the K3s bezels and acrylic inserts. The black bezel lends itself nicely to pad-printing (like silk screening), so that will be the direction I am going. There are quite a few surfaces to print on the bezel, and I will accept user artwork. I have a pdf of the bezel, showing the locations available for printing. The acrylic inserts can be engraved, but since I do not have a K3s (only the KX3 line), I will need to work with someone to see where it can be engraved, so it does not block any of the display. If interested please rely OFF LIST to ken at arkayengravers.com. I have one black bezel already in the field, and I am waiting for a picture of the completed installation. 73 Ken WB2ART From jbollit at outlook.com Mon Oct 19 09:19:34 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 06:19:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles In-Reply-To: <000301d10a6f$15130270$3f390750$@org> References: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> <003001d10a6d$1b5abee0$52103ca0$@net> <000301d10a6f$15130270$3f390750$@org> Message-ID: Power corrupts........................... Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of w4grj Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 6:07 AM To: 'efortner'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles Good suggestion...I will do that However, I am running barefoot 100 watts thru the KAT500 with no issues. Tnx, Jack W4GRJ -----Original Message----- From: efortner [mailto:efortner at ctc.net] Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:53 AM To: 'W4GRJ'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles Test it one more time with a 50 ohm dummy load on the output to make sure you don't have a problem between your antenna and KPA 500 SO239 output connector. 73, Earl K4KAY -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W4GRJ Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:20 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles All of a sudden my KPA500 is misbehaving. It sounds like it is arcing inside and smells the classic something is burning smell. SWR LED's are dancing upwards as it arcs. KAT500 tuner has the SWR around 1.3:1 I will probably send it off to Elecraft but thought I would ask here for suggestions to look at before I send it off. Thanks, Jack W4GRJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-troubles-tp7609284.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to efortner at ctc.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From georgek5kg at aol.com Mon Oct 19 09:31:42 2015 From: georgek5kg at aol.com (George K5KG) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:31:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles In-Reply-To: <003001d10a6d$1b5abee0$52103ca0$@net> References: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> <003001d10a6d$1b5abee0$52103ca0$@net> Message-ID: <5624F0BE.8010005@aol.com> Yes, but but but if it is arching and burning, be careful! 73, George, K5KG On 10/19/2015 8:53 AM, efortner wrote: > Test it one more time with a 50 ohm dummy load on the output to make sure > you don't have a problem between your antenna and KPA 500 SO239 output > connector. > > 73, Earl K4KAY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W4GRJ > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:20 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles > > All of a sudden my KPA500 is misbehaving. It sounds like it is arcing inside > and smells the classic something is burning smell. SWR LED's are dancing > upwards as it arcs. > KAT500 tuner has the SWR around 1.3:1 > > I will probably send it off to Elecraft but thought I would ask here for > suggestions to look at before I send it off. > > Thanks, Jack > W4GRJ > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-troubles-tp7609284.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to efortner at ctc.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to georgek5kg at aol.com -- George Wagner, K5KG Sarasota, FL 941-400-1960 From chrisrut7 at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 10:55:37 2015 From: chrisrut7 at gmail.com (Chris Rutkowski) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 07:55:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? Message-ID: <56250467.c789440a.2f335.5150@mx.google.com> It is an alternative to lp-bridge. And you're right: Such programs are not "needed" for the panadapter per se. Rather, they are needed to integrate multiple pieces of software sharing a single serial port on your computer, which is hooked to the KX3 (or other rig). And that is a very common requirement. for example, I almost always open my Amateur Contact Log and NaP3 for every-day operating. For another example, during a recent contest I had NaP3, cw-skimmer, and N1MM+ open at once. All use the same serial port to control the rig. Chris NW6V -----Original Message----- From: Ed Sent: 10/17/2015 5:13 PM To: 'Chris Rutkowski'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? What is " comocon " and why would I need it with NaP3 and my KX3 just to view the spectrum? Ed From: Chris Rutkowski [mailto:chrisrut7 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 4:53 PM To: K7AAT at Yahoo.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? Hi Ed. When the other fellow (sorry, just went blank on his name) said u need a good sound card, he was right, mostly. The better the soundcard the better nap3 will work. However, when I first started - say, the first 3 months or so, I used the soundcard built into my Old Dell D620 laptop (W7), and it worked plenty well enough to get me hooked on panadapters. Biggest limitation is that the maximum bandwidth with the old dell (based on the bandwidth of the soundcard) was 48khz - where's my pricy external soundcard allows 192Khz. . That may sound like a big deal, but truth be known since im a cw and rtty guy, I don't find much more than 50khz to be all that useful. Point is, as long as whatever MIC input u use is STEREO, you can use it and gain experience with it. Should mention that according to the author of NaP3, comocon works with NaP3. In fact he stated he prefers it because it loads faster. Detail: if u use lp-bridge, be sure to put NaP3 on the "set port." As for what's easiest and best... It depends on you. I own Win4k3. It is an interesting program, that brings lots to the table. However, for me, the only piece that was (is) of real interest is the panadaptor. You can download a trial and test for yourself. Personally, so far, I strongly prefer NaP3 as a panadapter.. But of course, there is no right or wrong regarding taste. what do I like? I LOVE that NaP3 can put spots right on the spectrum. Worth its weight in gold. I also love working Rtty and CW: positioning yourself in a pileup is incredibly easy. I just got a feature working called the data/text window, which displays decoded data or CW in one window and allows u to type in the other. For now, I count nap3 as second to my rig and antenna in importance to my enjoyment of the hobby. After all, I can still use a paper log if I have to... 73, Chris NW6V : "Ed" To: Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - easiest way to panadapt? Message-ID: <0ed701d10861$7230b660$56922320$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have a KX3. I would like to use my computer and laptop ( Windows 7 and Windows 8 ) to display a spectrum from my KX3, using the RX I/Q output. What is the simplest and recommended easiest way to do this? NaP3 ? I use my KX3 mostly on digital modes .... with SignaLink USB interface and sometimes with just the laptop soundcard interface. From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 10:59:01 2015 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:59:01 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] ERR PTT and ERR KEY messages Message-ID: <56250536.d2361f0a.a358b.ffffd42c@mx.google.com> Hello I am trying to connect DX DOUBLER for SO2R and I have a ERR PTT in the K3 display Any idea how to solve it? I cannot get the radio transmitting, CW or SSB with the DXDOUBLER If someone out there is using it and can help me with the setup Thanks very much Thanks, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w7nmd at suddenlink.net Mon Oct 19 11:02:33 2015 From: w7nmd at suddenlink.net (Palmer Byrne) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:02:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] com0com Message-ID: <56250609.8010605@suddenlink.net> The correct is com0com. Not comocom. From doug at ellmore.net Mon Oct 19 11:09:11 2015 From: doug at ellmore.net (Doug Ellmore) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:09:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB Message-ID: The rules for CQ WW require competitors shooting for top honors to have recorded their complete contest operation: http://www.cqww.com/rules/current_rules_cqww.pdf *C. Audio Recordings: Any single operator entrant (see V.A.1) competing for a top three finish at the (a) World, (b) Continent, or (c) USA levels, must record the transmitted and received audio as heard by the operator for the duration of the contest operation. The recording must be in a common format (e.g., mp3) and should include the audio to each ear as a separate channel. The recording may be requested by the Committee within 90 days after the log deadline to help adjudicate the log. The recording files must be provided by the entrant within 5 days of the request. If no recording is made available, the Committee may reclassify or disqualify the entry.* I am curious how K3 and or KX3 users might be going about doing this. 73, Doug NA1DX doug at ellmore.net From tim at sideswiper.plus.com Mon Oct 19 11:29:05 2015 From: tim at sideswiper.plus.com (Tim) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 16:29:05 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Buying from the UK In-Reply-To: <1445255049605-7609282.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445255049605-7609282.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <56250C41.2050205@sideswiper.plus.com> Hi, I have bought all my Elecraft kits direct, except for the 500 Watt power amplifier. The package was so heavy due to the transformer that the carriage from the U.S. was so much, that it more ore less wiped out the savings. 73 Tim gm4lmh From pa3a at xs4all.nl Mon Oct 19 12:19:11 2015 From: pa3a at xs4all.nl (Arie Kleingeld PA3A) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:19:11 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles In-Reply-To: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <562517FF.8010500@xs4all.nl> Failing pin diode switch ? (not the PIN diode itself, but the semiconductor switching it) 73 Arie PA3A Op 19-10-2015 om 14:20 schreef W4GRJ: > All of a sudden my KPA500 is misbehaving. It sounds like it is arcing inside > and smells the > classic something is burning smell. SWR LED's are dancing upwards as it > arcs. > KAT500 tuner has the SWR around 1.3:1 > > I will probably send it off to Elecraft but thought I would ask here for > suggestions to > look at before I send it off. > > Thanks, Jack > W4GRJ > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-troubles-tp7609284.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pa3a at xs4all.nl > From ron at cobi.biz Mon Oct 19 12:27:38 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:27:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles In-Reply-To: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <005b01d10a8b$121b83a0$36528ae0$@biz> Jack, did you build the KPA500 yourself? In any case, one point that can cause trouble is where the hot (center conductor) lead goes to the RF Output connector. See Figure 40 on page 28 in the kit assembly manual (if you bought yours built, you can download the manual from the Elecraft web site (http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740149%20KPA500%20Kit%20Assembly%20Manual%2 0Rev%20F4.pdf). That lead needs to be dressed away from the sharp edge of a shield as shown in the figure to avoid the possibility of an RF arc. If that's the problem, just move the wire away as described in the manual. What the KAT500 does not tell you is the SWR on the line between the amp and the ATU. If it's fairly high you can build up some substantial RF voltages there. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W4GRJ Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 5:20 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles All of a sudden my KPA500 is misbehaving. It sounds like it is arcing inside and smells the classic something is burning smell. SWR LED's are dancing upwards as it arcs. KAT500 tuner has the SWR around 1.3:1 I will probably send it off to Elecraft but thought I would ask here for suggestions to look at before I send it off. Thanks, Jack W4GRJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-troubles-tp7609284.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 12:50:59 2015 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:50:59 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56251f76.12291f0a.62928.ffffe052@mx.google.com> Hi Doug Just a cable from LINE OUT to a recorder 73, Jorge CX6VM/Cw5W -----Mensaje original----- De: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] En nombre de Doug Ellmore Enviado el: lunes, 19 de octubre de 2015 12:09 p.m. Para: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Asunto: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB The rules for CQ WW require competitors shooting for top honors to have recorded their complete contest operation: http://www.cqww.com/rules/current_rules_cqww.pdf *C. Audio Recordings: Any single operator entrant (see V.A.1) competing for a top three finish at the (a) World, (b) Continent, or (c) USA levels, must record the transmitted and received audio as heard by the operator for the duration of the contest operation. The recording must be in a common format (e.g., mp3) and should include the audio to each ear as a separate channel. The recording may be requested by the Committee within 90 days after the log deadline to help adjudicate the log. The recording files must be provided by the entrant within 5 days of the request. If no recording is made available, the Committee may reclassify or disqualify the entry.* I am curious how K3 and or KX3 users might be going about doing this. 73, Doug NA1DX doug at ellmore.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w4grj at satterfield.org Mon Oct 19 13:55:36 2015 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (Jack) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:55:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles In-Reply-To: <005b01d10a8b$121b83a0$36528ae0$@biz> References: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> <005b01d10a8b$121b83a0$36528ae0$@biz> Message-ID: <8F5C2AC2-7B19-4DC0-81A2-20A878DA73EF@satterfield.org> The amp was factory built, about two years old and has worked fine till yesterday. Anyway talked with Elecraft, the amp is going back. They said there are some updates needed in addition to the repair. I will post the fix when I get it back. Thanks to all the other replies. Jack W4GRJ On Oct 19, 2015, at 12:27 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: Jack, did you build the KPA500 yourself? In any case, one point that can cause trouble is where the hot (center conductor) lead goes to the RF Output connector. See Figure 40 on page 28 in the kit assembly manual (if you bought yours built, you can download the manual from the Elecraft web site (http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740149%20KPA500%20Kit%20Assembly%20Manual%2 0Rev%20F4.pdf). That lead needs to be dressed away from the sharp edge of a shield as shown in the figure to avoid the possibility of an RF arc. If that's the problem, just move the wire away as described in the manual. What the KAT500 does not tell you is the SWR on the line between the amp and the ATU. If it's fairly high you can build up some substantial RF voltages there. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W4GRJ Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 5:20 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles All of a sudden my KPA500 is misbehaving. It sounds like it is arcing inside and smells the classic something is burning smell. SWR LED's are dancing upwards as it arcs. KAT500 tuner has the SWR around 1.3:1 I will probably send it off to Elecraft but thought I would ask here for suggestions to look at before I send it off. Thanks, Jack W4GRJ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-troubles-tp7609284.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From pkirley at fuse.net Mon Oct 19 14:24:01 2015 From: pkirley at fuse.net (Paul Kirley) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:24:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20151019142401.02678e70@pop.fuse.net> I vaguely recall reading a post that at narrow CW bandwidths the RX EQ is turned off automatically. That can result in a pop as bandwidth is changed if RX EQ is not flat near the chosen sidetone pitch, with the severity of the pop depending on your RX EQ settings. This predated the new synth, which may also interact with the bandwidth setting. 73, Paul W8TM From kevin at ve3syb.ca Mon Oct 19 14:57:39 2015 From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:57:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56253D23.7000802@ve3syb.ca> On 15-10-19 11:09 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote: > The rules for CQ WW require competitors shooting for top honors to have > recorded their complete contest operation: Seriously? I'm curious to know how long has this been in the rules for the CQ WW contests? I suppose anyone going for top honours is going to be doing computer logging so it could also be used to record the audio during the entire contest period. I wonder what would happen if some glitch occurred on the computer and some(?) of the audio got lost. Connections for recording from a K-line radio would be easy enough. Tap off the headphone jack and feed it in to the line in or mic in on a computer, or other device capable of recording audio for the duration of the contest. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful!" #include | --Chris Hardwick From acsewell at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 15:02:23 2015 From: acsewell at gmail.com (Alan Sewell N5NA) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:02:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED Message-ID: <56253E3F.9030704@gmail.com> I'm posting this for future reference in case someone else has this problem. Yesterday while listening to my K3 it suddenly quit receiving any signals. I also had no RF output. There were no error messages. I have two KSYN3A modules in my rig. I did a search and found a post by W1ZK in September who had the same symptoms. He posted he had a bad synthesizer. When I checked the DISP SYN1 and SYN2 both showed OK so I didn't think I had a bad synthesizer. Before calling Elecraft this afternoon I removed the top to see if I might have a loose TMP cable on one of the synthesizers. None were loose but I did give a twist to the ones I could easily reach. When I hooked the K3 back up it was working again. Apparently there was a bit of tarnish/corrosion on one of the connectors and I twisted the right one. Hopefully it will keep working! 73, Alan N5NA From wes at triconet.org Mon Oct 19 15:14:17 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:14:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB In-Reply-To: <56253D23.7000802@ve3syb.ca> References: <56253D23.7000802@ve3syb.ca> Message-ID: <56254109.7010802@triconet.org> I believe it was within the last year: "*C. Audio Recordings:* Any single operator entrant (see V.A.1) competing for a top three finish at the (a) World, (b) Continent, or (c) USA levels, must record the transmitted and received audio as heard by the operator for the duration of the contest operation. The recording must be in a common format (e.g., mp3) and should include the audio to each ear as a separate channel. The recording may be requested by the Committee within 90 days after the log deadline to help adjudicate the log. The recording files must be provided by the entrant within 5 days of the request. If no recording is made available, the Committee may reclassify or disqualify the entry." On 10/19/2015 11:57 AM, Kevin Cozens wrote: > On 15-10-19 11:09 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote: >> The rules for CQ WW require competitors shooting for top honors to have >> recorded their complete contest operation: > > Seriously? I'm curious to know how long has this been in the rules for the CQ > WW contests? I suppose anyone going for top honours is going to be doing > computer logging so it could also be used to record the audio during the > entire contest period. I wonder what would happen if some glitch occurred on > the computer and some(?) of the audio got lost. > > Connections for recording from a K-line radio would be easy enough. Tap off > the headphone jack and feed it in to the line in or mic in on a computer, or > other device capable of recording audio for the duration of the contest. > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 16:05:43 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 16:05:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <56253E3F.9030704@gmail.com> References: <56253E3F.9030704@gmail.com> Message-ID: The outer shell of the TMP plug can be connected without being fully inserted into the TMP connector. This can result in an intermittent on the center conductor that comes and goes with temperature change, or breathing hard, or changes in phases of the moon. The little flanges on the TMP plug should be nearly up to the TMP connector shell when fully inserted. In my experience, myself and those around here who call for help, this is a common trouble. You could still be not fully inserted. 73, Guy K2AV On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Alan Sewell N5NA wrote: > I'm posting this for future reference in case someone else has this > problem. > > Yesterday while listening to my K3 it suddenly quit receiving any > signals. I also had no RF output. There were no error messages. > > I have two KSYN3A modules in my rig. I did a search and found a post by > W1ZK in September who had the same symptoms. He posted he had a bad > synthesizer. When I checked the DISP SYN1 and SYN2 both showed OK so I > didn't think I had a bad synthesizer. > > Before calling Elecraft this afternoon I removed the top to see if I might > have a loose TMP cable on one of the synthesizers. None were loose but I > did give a twist to the ones I could easily reach. When I hooked the K3 > back up it was working again. Apparently there was a bit of > tarnish/corrosion on one of the connectors and I twisted the right one. > > Hopefully it will keep working! > > 73, Alan N5NA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon Oct 19 16:14:32 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:14:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX-3 Transmit Audio - Echo on TX SSB - interesting find In-Reply-To: <1445224327208-7609274.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445224327208-7609274.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: You can tame the bass with TX EQ and RX EQ. You don?t want to use the logic bias from the up/down buttons, because that is noisier than the mic bias. It is possible that you had odd audio because you had both bias supplies. That usually results in lower mic output. This message has an investigation into mixing mic and logic bias: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/conversations/topics/9556 And this blog post has a simple solution: http://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/ wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Oct 18, 2015, at 8:12 PM, paulb wrote: > > > Hi Folks > > I have owned a KX-3 for a couple of years, have fitted the filter > board and auto-tuner and a set of internal batteries and charger. > Certainly a tidy package. > > Something I like using is a small light headset aka cheap and cheerful > pc gaming type hardware. i use these on my K2 and K3 with great results. > The heavy bass needs taming down, simple RC filter does the trick. > > From day one the KX-3 seemed very bass heavy. > Something didn't sound > quite right, an odd echo on SSB with higher mic gain settings. > Bias for the Mic was enabled to power the insert. > Setting for TX EQ -16 for 100 200 400 hz. > > I added a 0.047uF cap into the mic line to roll the low end audio. > This prevents the mic power from working, so figured the > unused mic up/down line could be used. It is about 2.5volts > in series with 5.6k. So we now have a working mic, > with minor internal changes at the mic socket. > > But the echo seemed if anything worse at higher mic gain. > > Now as a long shot terminated the mic up/down line with about 10uF electro. > This would ensure the bias supply is clean. > > Echo is now gone. Totally. > > I suspect what is happening is headset plugs are sitting accross the > up/down line, some audio is ending up where is should not be. > > I am well pleased. The 3 components ( 0.047uF 5.6k 10uF ) can be > mounted directly on the KX-3 mic socket. It's a squeeze but works well > > cheers from ZL > > Paul > zl1ajy > > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX-3-Transmit-Audio-Echo-on-TX-SSB-interesting-find-tp7609274.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 17:54:02 2015 From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (Stephen Shearer) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:54:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5625667A.5030008@gmail.com> I guess I need to read the rules... Are they for real? I "was" thinking of running portable KX3 on just 40m in my spare time on a boy scout weekend as cook staff for the Cub Scout Family camping weekend. After looking at the QRP scores from last year, one qrp op won with 1,2, 3 for many levels with just a few contacts. (now that I gave away my secret plan) I do have a digital recorder and a headphone amp... BUT I take too much "junk" as it is. I guess I could use MON to record transmission and maybe I can find/make a splitter for the headphone/recorder. Don't they use software to compare logs against each other for cheating? I would think that would be enough? 73, Steve WB3LGC (contest = operating QRP as NR3I from Dover, DE) On 19-Oct-15 11:09 AM, Doug Ellmore wrote: > The rules for CQ WW require competitors shooting for top honors to have > recorded their complete contest operation: > > http://www.cqww.com/rules/current_rules_cqww.pdf > > *C. Audio Recordings: Any single operator entrant (see V.A.1) competing for > a top three finish at the (a) World, (b) Continent, or (c) USA levels, must > record the transmitted and received audio as heard by the operator for the > duration of the contest operation. The recording must be in a common format > (e.g., mp3) and should include the audio to each ear as a separate channel. > The recording may be requested by the Committee within 90 days after the > log deadline to help adjudicate the log. The recording files must be > provided by the entrant within 5 days of the request. If no recording is > made available, the Committee may reclassify or disqualify the entry.* > > I am curious how K3 and or KX3 users might be going about doing this. > > > 73, > > Doug NA1DX > doug at ellmore.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com > From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Oct 19 18:49:45 2015 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:49:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3- Intermittent PTT Jack on rear panel. Message-ID: <33ADF908-EFE7-436D-9FF8-26139B552FCD@widomaker.com> My veteran K3 has developed an intermittent connection on the rear panel PTT Jack. I'm hoping I can access it from the bottom to reflow the solder. Anyone had this problem and how did you fix it? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill From w6fvi at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 19 18:51:53 2015 From: w6fvi at sbcglobal.net (Brian & Cyndi) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:51:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New SP3 Speaker is worth every dollar Message-ID: <56257409.8090006@sbcglobal.net> Picked up an SP3 at Pacificon yesterday. In this ham's opinion, it sounds and looks great and is worth every dollar. From left to right, my K-Line is a P3, K3, SP3, and my KPA500 with a KAT500 tuner on top of it. The K3 looks very sharp flanked by the P3/SP3. That link on the K3 Order page for the SP3 talks about a pretty interesting guy who made the original design. Consider this a nudge for you fence sitters. 73, Brian, W6FVI From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Oct 19 18:57:43 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:57:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB In-Reply-To: <5625667A.5030008@gmail.com> References: <5625667A.5030008@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56257567.9000401@embarqmail.com> Steve, Real the requirements carefully --- Unless you are competing for the top positions, do not worry about it. Running portable on just 40 meters in your spare time is not likely to generate a score that will rank in the top 3. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/19/2015 5:54 PM, Stephen Shearer wrote: > I guess I need to read the rules... > Are they for real? > I "was" thinking of running portable KX3 on just 40m in my spare time > on a boy scout weekend as cook staff for the Cub Scout Family camping > weekend. After looking at the QRP scores from last year, one qrp op > won with 1,2, 3 for many levels with just a few contacts. (now that I > gave away my secret plan) I do have a digital recorder and a headphone > amp... BUT I take too much "junk" as it is. I guess I could use MON > to record transmission and maybe I can find/make a splitter for the > headphone/recorder. > Don't they use software to compare logs against each other for > cheating? I would think that would be enough? > From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 19:58:45 2015 From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (Stephen Shearer) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:58:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB In-Reply-To: <56257567.9000401@embarqmail.com> References: <5625667A.5030008@gmail.com> <56257567.9000401@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <562583B5.4050207@gmail.com> well... That may depend on how you define top position. 1 (one) contact 20m QRP (6 points) = 1st in 1st call area, 3rd in North America see http://www.cqww.com/certs/do_certificate.php?cl=AB1HD&yr=2014&mode=SSB I guess he was trying to make a point? steve On 19-Oct-15 6:57 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Steve, > > Real the requirements carefully --- > Unless you are competing for the top positions, do not worry about it. > Running portable on just 40 meters in your spare time is not likely to > generate a score that will rank in the top 3. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 10/19/2015 5:54 PM, Stephen Shearer wrote: >> I guess I need to read the rules... From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Oct 19 20:03:29 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:03:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot Message-ID: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> Hi all, You may have noticed that QST recently reviewed the K3's performance before/after swapping in a new KSYN3A synthesizer. While the review text was accurate (and complimentary), there was a significant error in the KSYN3A TX phase noise plot (Figure 10). This error made it appear as if the original synthesizer had lower (better) wide-spaced phase noise than the KSYN3A (starting where the plot lines cross), which is not the case. We should have caught this ourselves before the article went to print. We greatly appreciated the League's efforts to determine the source of error -- equipment setup -- and re-test. The digital-print version of QST will be corrected, and a correction will also appear in the December QST. The ARRL sent us the revised TX phase noise plot for the K3+KSYN3A that they tested. You can see it here: http://www.elecraft.com/specs/Joel's%20K3%2010-19-15%2020%20meter%20phase%20noise.BMP In addition they're testing a K3S. Its TX phase noise plot looks as good or slightly better: http://www.elecraft.com/specs/K3S%2010-19-15%20%2020%20meter%20phase%20noise.BMP These plots (used with permission) were for 20 meters, and are also representative of the other bands, including 6 meters. The bottom line is that the K3S, or a K3 with a KSYN3A, has extremely low phase noise at both close and narrow spacings. In the case of narrow spacings, the new synth also significantly improves the RMDR (reciprocal mixing dynamic range) over the original, as described in the article. Note that the above plots show *transmit* phase noise. In receive mode, phase noise with the new synth is even lower, especially at close spacings (under 3 kHz from the carrier). There's one other measurement in the QST review that needs a disclaimer. As you may know, the KSYN3A allows the K3 (or K3S) to be tuned down to as low as 100 kHz, thus including the 137 kHz band. The review showed an MDS of -44 dBm at this frequency, while in fact it is more like -115 dBm. It appears that the K3 under test didn't have the RF board modification required, or the modified KBPF3A filter module. 73, Wayne N6KR From davidahrendts at me.com Mon Oct 19 21:38:03 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:38:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Amplitude vs. K3S S-Meter Message-ID: Noticeable difference between the K3S S-Meter level and the displayed S-level on the P3. An S-9 signal on the K3S is seen as much less, maybe an S-3 on the P3. So its not REF LVL, not SPAN. What? David A., KC0XT, LA David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From n1al at sonic.net Mon Oct 19 21:56:19 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:56:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Amplitude vs. K3S S-Meter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56259F43.3010600@sonic.net> On SSB, the K3 S-meter measures the level of everything within the 2.7 kHz bandwidth. But on the P3, each display point only shows the power within a small fraction of 2.7 kHz. For a continuous CW signal, the K3 and the P3 should match. But for a signal that is spread out in frequency the K3 reads higher. See the discussion in the P3 Owner's manual in the section "How to Set Up and Interpret the P3 Display", the paragraph that begins, "You would expect the S meter on the K3 and the signal on the P3 display to indicate the same level..." Alan N1AL On 10/19/2015 06:38 PM, David Ahrendts wrote: > Noticeable difference between the K3S S-Meter level and the displayed > S-level on the P3. An S-9 signal on the K3S is seen as much less, > maybe an S-3 on the P3. So its not REF LVL, not SPAN. What? > > David A., KC0XT, LA > > > > David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n1al at sonic.net > From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Oct 19 22:20:28 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:20:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Amplitude vs. K3S S-Meter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5625A4EC.3060603@foothill.net> Perfectly normal. The K3(s) S-meter measures the total envelope power in whatever BW you have set. The P3 is a Fourier Transform with a multitude of "bins" across the horizontal axis, and what you see is the power in each of those bins. They sum to the same power as the K3 shows, but the P3 doesn't show the sum, it's a panadapter and not designed to do so. Feeding my K3 with my service monitor [one CW frequency], they match. They never do on real signals. Incidentally, the P3 has a monochrome waterfall option. I asked for it [no color vision], Alan did it for me, I'm not asking for anything else, I got what I wanted! :-) A number of visiting ops to my station have commented that the monochrome WF made it much easier to see very weak signals. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 10/19/2015 6:38 PM, David Ahrendts wrote: > Noticeable difference between the K3S S-Meter level and the displayed > S-level on the P3. An S-9 signal on the K3S is seen as much less, > maybe an S-3 on the P3. So its not REF LVL, not SPAN. What? > > David A., KC0XT, LA From ja-pierce at verizon.net Mon Oct 19 22:42:27 2015 From: ja-pierce at verizon.net (johnpierce) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:42:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Use of ICOM AH4 Antenna Tuner Message-ID: <00e301d10ae0$f81590d0$e840b270$@verizon.net> Does anyone have information about how to use an ICOM AH4 antenna tuner with a K3s. I have one that is in a remote location, so getting the K3s ATU will not help me. John, AD2F From rmcgraw at blomand.net Mon Oct 19 22:53:02 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:53:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Use of ICOM AH4 Antenna Tuner In-Reply-To: <00e301d10ae0$f81590d0$e840b270$@verizon.net> References: <00e301d10ae0$f81590d0$e840b270$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5625AC8E.8020105@blomand.net> The only experience I have is with the AH-4 connected to an ICOM radio. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 10/19/2015 9:42 PM, johnpierce wrote: > Does anyone have information about how to use an ICOM AH4 antenna tuner with > a K3s. I have one that is in a remote location, so getting the K3s ATU will > not help me. > > > > John, AD2F From G0ORH at sky.com Tue Oct 20 03:07:12 2015 From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 08:07:12 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> References: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <09F937B7-8F94-4840-9F43-A01BC278F4FC@sky.com> Hello Wayne Would like to view both ARRL (old v new) synth plots side by side if possible! Don't subscribe to ARRL, so not privy to that info!! Ken.. G0ORH - M3i Sent from my iPad > On 20 Oct 2015, at 01:03, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi all, > > You may have noticed that QST recently reviewed the K3's performance before/after swapping in a new KSYN3A synthesizer. While the review text was accurate (and complimentary), there was a significant error in the KSYN3A TX phase noise plot (Figure 10). This error made it appear as if the original synthesizer had lower (better) wide-spaced phase noise than the KSYN3A (starting where the plot lines cross), which is not the case. > > We should have caught this ourselves before the article went to print. We greatly appreciated the League's efforts to determine the source of error -- equipment setup -- and re-test. The digital-print version of QST will be corrected, and a correction will also appear in the December QST. > > The ARRL sent us the revised TX phase noise plot for the K3+KSYN3A that they tested. You can see it here: > > http://www.elecraft.com/specs/Joel's%20K3%2010-19-15%2020%20meter%20phase%20noise.BMP > > In addition they're testing a K3S. Its TX phase noise plot looks as good or slightly better: > > http://www.elecraft.com/specs/K3S%2010-19-15%20%2020%20meter%20phase%20noise.BMP > > These plots (used with permission) were for 20 meters, and are also representative of the other bands, including 6 meters. The bottom line is that the K3S, or a K3 with a KSYN3A, has extremely low phase noise at both close and narrow spacings. In the case of narrow spacings, the new synth also significantly improves the RMDR (reciprocal mixing dynamic range) over the original, as described in the article. > > Note that the above plots show *transmit* phase noise. In receive mode, phase noise with the new synth is even lower, especially at close spacings (under 3 kHz from the carrier). > > There's one other measurement in the QST review that needs a disclaimer. As you may know, the KSYN3A allows the K3 (or K3S) to be tuned down to as low as 100 kHz, thus including the 137 kHz band. The review showed an MDS of -44 dBm at this frequency, while in fact it is more like -115 dBm. It appears that the K3 under test didn't have the RF board modification required, or the modified KBPF3A filter module. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to g0orh at sky.com From iz4afw at iz4afw.org Tue Oct 20 03:23:36 2015 From: iz4afw at iz4afw.org (Fabio IZ4AFW / NZ1W) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:23:36 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> References: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Wayne, thank you for your clarification. That was something that appeared very strange to me while looking at the graphs, and was thinking if it was some sort of mistake. Probably many people had my same thoughts. Unfortunately the QST paper copies can't be fixed, and this will generate some confusion in the next weeks. The same for the MDS issue. Anyway, thanks for the clarification! I have one more reason to upgrade my synthesizers now, and I'll do that as soon as I have one excuse for a trip to the USA :) Ciao, 73 Fabio IZ4AFW / IO4W / NZ1W 2015-10-20 2:03 GMT+02:00 Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [Elecraft_K3] < Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com>: > > > Hi all, > > You may have noticed that QST recently reviewed the K3's performance > before/after swapping in a new KSYN3A synthesizer. While the review text > was accurate (and complimentary), there was a significant error in the > KSYN3A TX phase noise plot (Figure 10). This error made it appear as if the > original synthesizer had lower (better) wide-spaced phase noise than the > KSYN3A (starting where the plot lines cross), which is not the case. > > We should have caught this ourselves before the article went to print. We > greatly appreciated the League's efforts to determine the source of error > -- equipment setup -- and re-test. The digital-print version of QST will be > corrected, and a correction will also appear in the December QST. > > The ARRL sent us the revised TX phase noise plot for the K3+KSYN3A that > they tested. You can see it here: > > > http://www.elecraft.com/specs/Joel's%20K3%2010-19-15%2020%20meter%20phase%20noise.BMP > > In addition they're testing a K3S. Its TX phase noise plot looks as good > or slightly better: > > > http://www.elecraft.com/specs/K3S%2010-19-15%20%2020%20meter%20phase%20noise.BMP > > These plots (used with permission) were for 20 meters, and are also > representative of the other bands, including 6 meters. The bottom line is > that the K3S, or a K3 with a KSYN3A, has extremely low phase noise at both > close and narrow spacings. In the case of narrow spacings, the new synth > also significantly improves the RMDR (reciprocal mixing dynamic range) over > the original, as described in the article. > > Note that the above plots show *transmit* phase noise. In receive mode, > phase noise with the new synth is even lower, especially at close spacings > (under 3 kHz from the carrier). > > There's one other measurement in the QST review that needs a disclaimer. > As you may know, the KSYN3A allows the K3 (or K3S) to be tuned down to as > low as 100 kHz, thus including the 137 kHz band. The review showed an MDS > of -44 dBm at this frequency, while in fact it is more like -115 dBm. It > appears that the K3 under test didn't have the RF board modification > required, or the modified KBPF3A filter module. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------ > Posted by: Wayne Burdick > ------------------------------ > Reply via web post > > ? Reply to sender > > ? Reply to group > > ? Start a New Topic > > ? Messages in this topic > > (1) > Visit Your Group > > > - New Members > > 15 > - New Photos > > 5 > > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > > ? Privacy ? > Unsubscribe > ? Terms of Use > > . > > __,_._,___ > From indians at xsmail.com Tue Oct 20 06:32:39 2015 From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 03:32:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> References: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1445337159972-7609317.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Wayne, thank you very much! It is explaining a lot... It is really appreciated to have so close-in support from you! best regards, 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/QST-Review-of-KSYN3A-synth-has-erroneous-TX-phase-noise-plot-tp7609309p7609317.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From acsewell at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 09:35:13 2015 From: acsewell at gmail.com (Alan Sewell N5NA) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 08:35:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <56253E3F.9030704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56264311.3000307@gmail.com> You were right Guy. My rig ran fine all day yesterday and then last night I had the same problem. Opened it up and used some needle-nose pliers on the TMP connectors to twist and push. I was able to insert a couple a little further and found one was only about half inserted. Maybe I have it this time! 73, Alan N5NA On 10/19/2015 3:05 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > The outer shell of the TMP plug can be connected without being fully > inserted into the TMP connector. This can result in an intermittent on > the center conductor that comes and goes with temperature change, or > breathing hard, or changes in phases of the moon. The little flanges > on the TMP plug should be nearly up to the TMP connector shell when > fully inserted. > > In my experience, myself and those around here who call for help, this > is a common trouble. > > You could still be not fully inserted. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Alan Sewell N5NA > wrote: > > I'm posting this for future reference in case someone else has > this problem. > > Yesterday while listening to my K3 it suddenly quit receiving any > signals. I also had no RF output. There were no error messages. > > I have two KSYN3A modules in my rig. I did a search and found a > post by W1ZK in September who had the same symptoms. He posted he > had a bad synthesizer. When I checked the DISP SYN1 and SYN2 both > showed OK so I didn't think I had a bad synthesizer. > > Before calling Elecraft this afternoon I removed the top to see if > I might have a loose TMP cable on one of the synthesizers. None > were loose but I did give a twist to the ones I could easily > reach. When I hooked the K3 back up it was working again. > Apparently there was a bit of tarnish/corrosion on one of the > connectors and I twisted the right one. > > Hopefully it will keep working! > > 73, Alan N5NA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > > From georgek5kg at aol.com Tue Oct 20 09:41:55 2015 From: georgek5kg at aol.com (George K5KG) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:41:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <56264311.3000307@gmail.com> References: <56253E3F.9030704@gmail.com> <56264311.3000307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <562644A3.60007@aol.com> When I built my K3, my thumb was bleeding after inserting the TMP connectors. They are nasty little things! 73, George, K5KG. On 10/20/2015 9:35 AM, Alan Sewell N5NA wrote: > You were right Guy. My rig ran fine all day yesterday and then last > night I had the same problem. Opened it up and used some needle-nose > pliers on the TMP connectors to twist and push. I was able to insert > a couple a little further and found one was only about half inserted. > Maybe I have it this time! > > 73, Alan N5NA > > On 10/19/2015 3:05 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: >> The outer shell of the TMP plug can be connected without being fully >> inserted into the TMP connector. This can result in an intermittent >> on the center conductor that comes and goes with temperature change, >> or breathing hard, or changes in phases of the moon. The little >> flanges on the TMP plug should be nearly up to the TMP connector >> shell when fully inserted. >> >> In my experience, myself and those around here who call for help, >> this is a common trouble. >> >> You could still be not fully inserted. >> >> 73, Guy K2AV >> >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Alan Sewell N5NA > > wrote: >> >> I'm posting this for future reference in case someone else has >> this problem. >> >> Yesterday while listening to my K3 it suddenly quit receiving any >> signals. I also had no RF output. There were no error messages. >> >> I have two KSYN3A modules in my rig. I did a search and found a >> post by W1ZK in September who had the same symptoms. He posted he >> had a bad synthesizer. When I checked the DISP SYN1 and SYN2 both >> showed OK so I didn't think I had a bad synthesizer. >> >> Before calling Elecraft this afternoon I removed the top to see if >> I might have a loose TMP cable on one of the synthesizers. None >> were loose but I did give a twist to the ones I could easily >> reach. When I hooked the K3 back up it was working again. >> Apparently there was a bit of tarnish/corrosion on one of the >> connectors and I twisted the right one. >> >> Hopefully it will keep working! >> >> 73, Alan N5NA >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to georgek5kg at aol.com -- George Wagner, K5KG Sarasota, FL 941-400-1960 From rmcgraw at blomand.net Tue Oct 20 09:55:07 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 08:55:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <562644A3.60007@aol.com> References: <56253E3F.9030704@gmail.com> <56264311.3000307@gmail.com> <562644A3.60007@aol.com> Message-ID: <562647BB.8070105@blomand.net> I though that is what needle nose pliers and surgical forceps are used for.........plugging in TMP connectors. The side tabs on the TMP connectors make for an excellent gripping tab for forceps. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/20/2015 8:41 AM, George K5KG via Elecraft wrote: > When I built my K3, my thumb was bleeding after inserting the TMP > connectors. They are nasty little things! > > 73, George, K5KG. From ppauly at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 10:13:04 2015 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:13:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <562644A3.60007@aol.com> References: <56253E3F.9030704@gmail.com> <56264311.3000307@gmail.com> <562644A3.60007@aol.com> Message-ID: <8762F677-14CC-4C15-861D-3B09B1EA8A6A@gmail.com> Maybe the next version of radio can use SMA board mount connectors. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 20, 2015, at 08:41, George K5KG via Elecraft wrote: > > When I built my K3, my thumb was bleeding after inserting the TMP connectors. They are nasty little things! > > 73, George, K5KG. > >> On 10/20/2015 9:35 AM, Alan Sewell N5NA wrote: >> You were right Guy. My rig ran fine all day yesterday and then last night I had the same problem. Opened it up and used some needle-nose pliers on the TMP connectors to twist and push. I was able to insert a couple a little further and found one was only about half inserted. Maybe I have it this time! >> >> 73, Alan N5NA >> >>> On 10/19/2015 3:05 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: >>> The outer shell of the TMP plug can be connected without being fully inserted into the TMP connector. This can result in an intermittent on the center conductor that comes and goes with temperature change, or breathing hard, or changes in phases of the moon. The little flanges on the TMP plug should be nearly up to the TMP connector shell when fully inserted. >>> >>> In my experience, myself and those around here who call for help, this is a common trouble. >>> >>> You could still be not fully inserted. >>> >>> 73, Guy K2AV >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Alan Sewell N5NA > wrote: >>> >>> I'm posting this for future reference in case someone else has >>> this problem. >>> >>> Yesterday while listening to my K3 it suddenly quit receiving any >>> signals. I also had no RF output. There were no error messages. >>> >>> I have two KSYN3A modules in my rig. I did a search and found a >>> post by W1ZK in September who had the same symptoms. He posted he >>> had a bad synthesizer. When I checked the DISP SYN1 and SYN2 both >>> showed OK so I didn't think I had a bad synthesizer. >>> >>> Before calling Elecraft this afternoon I removed the top to see if >>> I might have a loose TMP cable on one of the synthesizers. None >>> were loose but I did give a twist to the ones I could easily >>> reach. When I hooked the K3 back up it was working again. Apparently there was a bit of tarnish/corrosion on one of the >>> connectors and I twisted the right one. >>> >>> Hopefully it will keep working! >>> >>> 73, Alan N5NA >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to georgek5kg at aol.com > > -- > George Wagner, K5KG > Sarasota, FL > 941-400-1960 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ppauly at gmail.com From ava622 at verizon.net Tue Oct 20 10:34:21 2015 From: ava622 at verizon.net (Michael Aust) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 14:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB References: <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> New ICOM IC-7851 can do this, for TX and RX record this all on a single?SD card on IC-7851 for the whole CQWW DX contest for you. 73 Mike From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Oct 20 10:35:23 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 07:35:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: <09F937B7-8F94-4840-9F43-A01BC278F4FC@sky.com> References: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> <09F937B7-8F94-4840-9F43-A01BC278F4FC@sky.com> Message-ID: <7680288C-DD03-4F23-B0B0-EE2B9DFC91D3@elecraft.com> Hi Ken, When they issue a revised Figure 10 for the article, we'll put it on our website. 73, Wayne N6KR On Oct 20, 2015, at 12:07 AM, Ken Chandler wrote: > Hello Wayne > Would like to view both ARRL (old v new) synth plots side by side if possible! > Don't subscribe to ARRL, so not privy to that info!! > > Ken.. G0ORH - M3i > > Sent from my iPad > > >> On 20 Oct 2015, at 01:03, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> You may have noticed that QST recently reviewed the K3's performance before/after swapping in a new KSYN3A synthesizer. While the review text was accurate (and complimentary), there was a significant error in the KSYN3A TX phase noise plot (Figure 10). This error made it appear as if the original synthesizer had lower (better) wide-spaced phase noise than the KSYN3A (starting where the plot lines cross), which is not the case. >> >> We should have caught this ourselves before the article went to print. We greatly appreciated the League's efforts to determine the source of error -- equipment setup -- and re-test. The digital-print version of QST will be corrected, and a correction will also appear in the December QST. >> >> The ARRL sent us the revised TX phase noise plot for the K3+KSYN3A that they tested. You can see it here: >> >> http://www.elecraft.com/specs/Joel's%20K3%2010-19-15%2020%20meter%20phase%20noise.BMP >> >> In addition they're testing a K3S. Its TX phase noise plot looks as good or slightly better: >> >> http://www.elecraft.com/specs/K3S%2010-19-15%20%2020%20meter%20phase%20noise.BMP From n1ho at yahoo.com Tue Oct 20 10:31:38 2015 From: n1ho at yahoo.com (Bayard Coolidge, N1HO) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 14:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Use of ICOM AH4 Antenna Tuner In-Reply-To: <00e301d10ae0$f81590d0$e840b270$@verizon.net> References: <00e301d10ae0$f81590d0$e840b270$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1932712884.243690.1445351498489.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I downloaded Icom's paper on using the AH-4 with non-Icom transceivers from: Icom America - Knowledge Base Article 667G435193 but haven't fully implemented it with my K3 yet. I breadboarded the simple circuit that they show in this article, but further work will be needed to make it behave the way it really needs to with a K3 (IMNSHO). I'm shooting for something relatively simple - i.e., I don't have the time/inclination to use programmable logic, microprocessors, etc. From: johnpierce Does anyone have information about how to use an ICOM AH4 antenna tuner with a K3s.? I have one that is in a remote location, so getting the K3s ATU will not help me. John,? AD2F ______________________________________________________________ From aldermant at windstream.net Tue Oct 20 11:06:08 2015 From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:06:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB In-Reply-To: <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601d10b48$da382b00$8ea88100$@windstream.net> For $14,500 bucks one should suspect the 7851 could be able to do anything? No thanks...I will stick with my K3! 73, Tom -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Michael Aust Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:34 AM To: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB New ICOM IC-7851 can do this, for TX and RX record this all on a single SD card on IC-7851 for the whole CQWW DX contest for you. 73 Mike ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net From n9vo at hotmail.com Tue Oct 20 11:11:19 2015 From: n9vo at hotmail.com (Jim Vohland) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:11:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB In-Reply-To: <000601d10b48$da382b00$8ea88100$@windstream.net> References: <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, <000601d10b48$da382b00$8ea88100$@windstream.net> Message-ID: Good point. Heck for 10 grand, I'll come over and videotape the entire evolution. Leaves ya almost enough for a new K3S --- for sure a used K3. > From: aldermant at windstream.net > To: ava622 at verizon.net > Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:06:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB > CC: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > For $14,500 bucks one should suspect the 7851 could be able to do anything? > > No thanks...I will stick with my K3! > > 73, > Tom > > From aj9c at indy.rr.com Tue Oct 20 11:21:10 2015 From: aj9c at indy.rr.com (Mike Kasrich) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:21:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K-3 for sale Message-ID: <56265BE6.2020505@indy.rr.com> SN 790 100w with sub RX. One owner (me), Non-smoker This was built from a kit and was at Elecraft one time for a look over and update but that was a while ago. Works fine currently in use. What's in it Filters all 8 pole in main and sub as follows 2.8, 1.8, 500 and 250 hz 100w PA KAT3 KXV3 KRX3 DSP version D board Also included KUSB purchased when I got the rig PR6 Pig knob Price $3100 + shipping If you have other questions email me direct. Thinking of trying something new reason for the sale offer. 73 Mike/AJ9C From frank at k5dkz.com Tue Oct 20 12:23:28 2015 From: frank at k5dkz.com (frank) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:23:28 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB In-Reply-To: <000601d10b48$da382b00$8ea88100$@windstream.net> References: <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <000601d10b48$da382b00$8ea88100$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <20151020102328.ff910c1c78cf9c4230756a4a@k5dkz.com> I wonder, how many DX contest winner plaques can you buy for $14,500. On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:06:08 -0400 "Chester Alderman" wrote: > For $14,500 bucks one should suspect the 7851 could be able to do anything? > > No thanks...I will stick with my K3! > > 73, > Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Michael Aust > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:34 AM > To: Elecraft List > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB > > New ICOM IC-7851 can do this, for TX and RX record this all on a single SD card on IC-7851 for the whole CQWW DX contest for you. > 73 Mike > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to aldermant at windstream.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to frank at k5dkz.com -- Frank - K5DKZ KX3 - 7550 PX3 - 1143 KXPA100 - 1566 From indians at xsmail.com Tue Oct 20 11:38:09 2015 From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 08:38:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <56253E3F.9030704@gmail.com> References: <56253E3F.9030704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1445355489624-7609329.post@n2.nabble.com> Alan, big congrats! Seems like Mr. Murphy left your house and you found it quickly. In general it looks like boards should be redesigned for more reliable connectors as SMA or even better one. 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-No-Receive-No-Transmit-SOLVED-tp7609301p7609329.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From aj9c at indy.rr.com Tue Oct 20 11:45:56 2015 From: aj9c at indy.rr.com (Mike Kasrich) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:45:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] K-3 for sale In-Reply-To: <56265BE6.2020505@indy.rr.com> References: <56265BE6.2020505@indy.rr.com> Message-ID: <562661B4.7080806@indy.rr.com> I had an inquiry...the 500Hz filter is in fact an 8 pole that was purchased direct from INRAD, #728 is what the the INRAD site shows. On 10/20/2015 11:21 AM, Mike Kasrich aj9c at indy.rr.com [Elecraft_K3] wrote: > > SN 790 100w with sub RX. > One owner (me), Non-smoker > > This was built from a kit and was at Elecraft one time for a look over > and update but that was a while ago. Works fine currently in use. > > What's in it > Filters all 8 pole in main and sub as follows 2.8, 1.8, 500 and 250 hz > > 100w PA > KAT3 > KXV3 > KRX3 > DSP version D board > > Also included > KUSB purchased when I got the rig > PR6 > Pig knob > > Price $3100 + shipping > > If you have other questions email me direct. Thinking of trying > something new reason for the sale offer. > > 73 > Mike/AJ9C > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Posted by: Mike Kasrich > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Reply via web post > > ? Reply to sender > ? Reply > to group > ? > Start a New Topic > > ? Messages in this topic > > (1) > > Visit Your Group > > > > * New Members > > 16 > * New Photos > > 5 > > Yahoo! Groups > > > ? Privacy > ? > Unsubscribe > ? > Terms of Use > > . > > __,_._,___ From john at kk9a.com Tue Oct 20 11:51:55 2015 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 15:51:55 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Settings Message-ID: <000a01d10b4f$3fb28100$bf178300$@com> I know this subject has come up many times. I brought my new K3S to Aruba and it's my first time using it on SSB. Before my trip I listened to myself on another radio and thought that I had the settings figured out, but now I have some doubts. Yesterday on 15m I received a comment that I was hard to zero beat on SSB. Thinking it could be RFI, I switched from the small Powerwerx power supply to an old Astron and added some ferrites to the mic. Today I was on 10m a little and asked a couple of people how my audio was, one said basey and one said high. I am using a Heil HC-4 element with no equalizer settings, mic 30 compression 18. I wonder what setting other contestors are using with this element. John KK9A - P40A From indians at xsmail.com Tue Oct 20 11:58:17 2015 From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 08:58:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles In-Reply-To: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1445356697670-7609332.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Jack, if your KPA500 has LPF board rev. D or earlier then You will need to make LPF TR Switch Rework REV5 modification, Elecraft parts kit: E850607. But maybe there is another issue in your case. Try to read first then decide. If you want and you have SMD tools then You can try to make this mods first and test if it was the case. If not then you can send to Elecraft service. If you have no SMD tools and experiences then it is better to send it to them now. The people at Elecraft service are great and professional so no worry about. It is not complicated just a bit tight on the board and not so much space around the parts to remove the old one. Must be done very carefully. I made this mod on KPA500 for two friends already and in both cases amps worked well after that. Hope it helps. 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-troubles-tp7609284p7609332.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From K2TK at att.net Tue Oct 20 12:07:21 2015 From: K2TK at att.net (Bob) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 12:07:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <8762F677-14CC-4C15-861D-3B09B1EA8A6A@gmail.com> References: <56253E3F.9030704@gmail.com> <56264311.3000307@gmail.com> <562644A3.60007@aol.com> <8762F677-14CC-4C15-861D-3B09B1EA8A6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <562666B9.90104@att.net> The cost differential probably makes that impractical. However does anyone know if there is a tool for insertion and removal of those TMP connectors? I'd surely invest in one if I ever saw it. They definitely are a PITA. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR . On 10/20/2015 10:13 AM, Peter Pauly wrote: > Maybe the next version of radio can use SMA board mount connectors. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 20, 2015, at 08:41, George K5KG via Elecraft wrote: >> >> When I built my K3, my thumb was bleeding after inserting the TMP connectors. They are nasty little things! >> >> 73, George, K5KG. >> >>> On 10/20/2015 9:35 AM, Alan Sewell N5NA wrote: >>> You were right Guy. My rig ran fine all day yesterday and then last night I had the same problem. Opened it up and used some needle-nose pliers on the TMP connectors to twist and push. I was able to insert a couple a little further and found one was only about half inserted. Maybe I have it this time! >>> >>> 73, Alan N5NA >>> >>>> On 10/19/2015 3:05 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: >>>> The outer shell of the TMP plug can be connected without being fully inserted into the TMP connector. This can result in an intermittent on the center conductor that comes and goes with temperature change, or breathing hard, or changes in phases of the moon. The little flanges on the TMP plug should be nearly up to the TMP connector shell when fully inserted. >>>> >>>> In my experience, myself and those around here who call for help, this is a common trouble. >>>> >>>> You could still be not fully inserted. >>>> >>>> 73, Guy K2AV >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Alan Sewell N5NA > wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm posting this for future reference in case someone else has >>>> this problem. >>>> >>>> Yesterday while listening to my K3 it suddenly quit receiving any >>>> signals. I also had no RF output. There were no error messages. >>>> >>>> I have two KSYN3A modules in my rig. I did a search and found a >>>> post by W1ZK in September who had the same symptoms. He posted he >>>> had a bad synthesizer. When I checked the DISP SYN1 and SYN2 both >>>> showed OK so I didn't think I had a bad synthesizer. >>>> >>>> Before calling Elecraft this afternoon I removed the top to see if >>>> I might have a loose TMP cable on one of the synthesizers. None >>>> were loose but I did give a twist to the ones I could easily >>>> reach. When I hooked the K3 back up it was working again. Apparently there was a bit of tarnish/corrosion on one of the >>>> connectors and I twisted the right one. >>>> >>>> Hopefully it will keep working! >>>> >>>> 73, Alan N5NA >>>> From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Tue Oct 20 12:09:18 2015 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 17:09:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB In-Reply-To: References: <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>, <000601d10b48$da382b00$8ea88100$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <1596763861.161255.1445357358331.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxbe20.tb.ukmail.iss.as9143.net> A modestly priced stereo voice recorder that I use for other things (Olympus WS-812) could easily do a 48 hour contest. Held in a wooden jig with an ear bud adjacent each mic it will do a good job. The thing it lacks is a quick way to search. Over 48 hours there would be some timing error in playback mode, but I suppose some sub-audible codes could be imposed onto the recording from an independent clock timer if this were crucial. Incidentally, I've often thought this would be useful for training purposes. David G3UNA > > On 20 October 2015 at 16:11 Jim Vohland wrote: > > > Good point. Heck for 10 grand, I'll come over and videotape the entire > evolution. Leaves ya almost enough for a new K3S --- for sure a used K3. > > > > From: aldermant at windstream.net > > To: ava622 at verizon.net > > Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:06:08 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB > > CC: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > For $14,500 bucks one should suspect the 7851 could be able to do > > anything? > > > > No thanks...I will stick with my K3! > > > > 73, > > Tom > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to d.cutter at ntlworld.com > From stewart at twinwood.me Tue Oct 20 12:15:50 2015 From: stewart at twinwood.me (Stewart) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 17:15:50 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles In-Reply-To: <1445356697670-7609332.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20151020171550.053747@Shack> Hi Petr, I can't find this mod for the KPA500 on the Elecraft site. In fact, I can't find any KPA500 mods. Where is it on the web site, please? I must be looking in the wrong place... 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 08:58:17 -0700 (MST), ok1rp wrote: > Hi Jack, > > if your KPA500 has LPF board rev. D or earlier then You will need to make > LPF TR Switch Rework REV5 modification, Elecraft parts kit: E850607. But > maybe there is another issue in your case. > > Try to read first then decide. If you want and you have SMD tools then You > can try to make this mods first and test if it was the case. If not then you > can send to Elecraft service. If you have no SMD tools and experiences then > it is better to send it to them now. The people at Elecraft service are > great and professional so no worry about. > > It is not complicated just a bit tight on the board and not so much space > around the parts to remove the old one. Must be done very carefully. I made > this mod on KPA500 for two friends already and in both cases amps worked > well after that. > > Hope it helps. > > 73 - Petr, OK1RP > > > ----- > http://ok1rp.blogspot.com > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-troubles-tp7609284p7609332.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to stewart at twinwood.me From pincon at erols.com Tue Oct 20 12:15:58 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 12:15:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FW: K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED References: <56253E3F.9030704@gmail.com> <56264311.3000307@gmail.com> <562644A3.60007@aol.com> <562647BB.8070105@blomand.net> Message-ID: <002801d10b52$9ea82ae0$dbf880a0$@erols.com> Same here. I wouldn't dare use my bare fingers on those things. chas -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob McGraw - K4TAX Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:55 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED I though that is what needle nose pliers and surgical forceps are used for.........plugging in TMP connectors. The side tabs on the TMP connectors make for an excellent gripping tab for forceps. 73 Bob, K4TAX From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 12:27:18 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 19:27:18 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <562666B9.90104@att.net> References: <56253E3F.9030704@gmail.com> <56264311.3000307@gmail.com> <562644A3.60007@aol.com> <8762F677-14CC-4C15-861D-3B09B1EA8A6A@gmail.com> <562666B9.90104@att.net> Message-ID: <56266B66.7040209@gmail.com> The TMP connectors are not that hard to insert, but the danger is that it is easy to apply too much force when they are not aligned properly, and damage the socket-board connection. You can lift the trace from the board if you are not careful (yes, I learned this the hard way). The trick is to start them by hand and make absolutely sure the center pin is in its socket, and then push them all the way in with a tool like very small needle-nose pliers or forceps. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 20 Oct 2015 19:07, Bob wrote: > The cost differential probably makes that impractical. > > However does anyone know if there is a tool for insertion and removal of > those TMP connectors? I'd surely invest in one if I ever saw it. They > definitely are a PITA. > > 73, > Bob > K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR . From K5WA at Comcast.net Tue Oct 20 12:29:36 2015 From: K5WA at Comcast.net (K5WA) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:29:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB Message-ID: <09b101d10b54$83024ee0$8906eca0$@net> Doug, I have a pair of K3 rigs and just pull a parallel stereo (Y connector) feed from my SO2R box headphone output and put it in the LINE IN jack of my computer's sound card. Works great with Audacity and a low fidelity selection speed running on my contesting logging computer. An entire 48 hour contest is about 150MB if you have the fidelity set low enough. If you have a single rig, the same idea would apply to the headphone jack. Good luck, Bob K5WA Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:09:11 -0400 From: Doug Ellmore To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The rules for CQ WW require competitors shooting for top honors to have recorded their complete contest operation: made available, the Committee may reclassify or disqualify the entry.* I am curious how K3 and or KX3 users might be going about doing this. 73, Doug NA1DX doug at ellmore.net From k4ia at aol.com Tue Oct 20 12:34:34 2015 From: k4ia at aol.com (K4ia) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 12:34:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles In-Reply-To: <1445356697670-7609332.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> <1445356697670-7609332.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <56266D1A.9050207@aol.com> Does anyone have a serial number for the changeover? I don't see anything on the Elecraft wab page. Buck k4ia K3 #101 Honor Roll 333 8B DXCC On 10/20/2015 11:58 AM, ok1rp wrote: > Hi Jack, > > if your KPA500 has LPF board rev. D or earlier then You will need to make > LPF TR Switch Rework REV5 modification, Elecraft parts kit: E850607. But > maybe there is another issue in your case. > > Try to read first then decide. If you want and you have SMD tools then You > can try to make this mods first and test if it was the case. If not then you > can send to Elecraft service. If you have no SMD tools and experiences then > it is better to send it to them now. The people at Elecraft service are > great and professional so no worry about. > > It is not complicated just a bit tight on the board and not so much space > around the parts to remove the old one. Must be done very carefully. I made > this mod on KPA500 for two friends already and in both cases amps worked > well after that. > > Hope it helps. > > 73 - Petr, OK1RP > > > > ----- > http://ok1rp.blogspot.com > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-troubles-tp7609284p7609332.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k4ia at aol.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Oct 20 12:36:22 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:36:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Settings In-Reply-To: <000a01d10b4f$3fb28100$bf178300$@com> References: <000a01d10b4f$3fb28100$bf178300$@com> Message-ID: <56266D86.5030003@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,10/20/2015 8:51 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > I am using a Heil HC-4 element with no > equalizer settings, mic 30 compression 18. Hi John, I'd be happy to listen to you on the air and talk you through adjustments. Some suggestions. Ignore your numbers of 30 and 18 -- they are the wrong thing to look at. Start with TXEQ -- set the three lowest bands to maximum cut, take the 4th band down about 6 dB. Leave everything else set flat (0dB). Now, turn compression all the way down, and adjust your mic gain so that you see occasional peaks of full power. To get the right setting, you may need to temporarily increase VOX GAIN. Now, turn up compression so that on the compression METER, you see peaks of about 10 dB. This is the way you want to run it. This will get you in the ballpark, and it's time to get some signal reports. Also, if you're like me, you probably yell louder during the contest, so be prepared to turn the mic gain down to stay within those settings. You will, of course, want to balance the live mic with recordings. The above assumes that the live mic is on the mic input and the computer is on the Line Input. That's how I work. So once you're adjusted for the live mic, you'll want to adjust computer playback to get the same indications of compression. There's more to the computer gain adjustment. It's written up here, following the disucssion of computer sound cards. http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From rmcgraw at blomand.net Tue Oct 20 12:45:33 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:45:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Settings In-Reply-To: <000a01d10b4f$3fb28100$bf178300$@com> References: <000a01d10b4f$3fb28100$bf178300$@com> Message-ID: <56266FAD.1090109@blomand.net> Well again we get into conditions which typically manifest into Common Mode Current issues. Depending on antenna, I always carry a coax jumper with a bunch, as in 50 to 75, of Ferrite beads of #43 and #73 material. This is always connected direct to the ANT connector on the radio. If you are using an OCFD antena then additional CMC choke will be needed at the feed point. Most baluns are very inadequate in this regard, regardless of what the manufacturer says in print. OCFD are noted to have CMC issues unless proper balun and CMC chokes are used. See http://www.dj0ip.de/antennas/ for further info on baluns, common mode chokes and OCFD antennas. On EQ, I suggest setting TX EQ: 50 Hz @ -16 dB, 100 Hz @ -12 Db, 200 Hz @ -6 dB with the remainder at 0 dB. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/20/2015 10:51 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > I know this subject has come up many times. I brought my new K3S to Aruba > and it's my first time using it on SSB. Before my trip I listened to myself > on another radio and thought that I had the settings figured out, but now I > have some doubts. Yesterday on 15m I received a comment that I was hard to > zero beat on SSB. Thinking it could be RFI, I switched from the small > Powerwerx power supply to an old Astron and added some ferrites to the mic. > Today I was on 10m a little and asked a couple of people how my audio was, > one said basey and one said high. I am using a Heil HC-4 element with no > equalizer settings, mic 30 compression 18. I wonder what setting other > contestors are using with this element. > > John KK9A - P40A From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Oct 20 13:09:34 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:09:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Settings In-Reply-To: <56266FAD.1090109@blomand.net> References: <000a01d10b4f$3fb28100$bf178300$@com> <56266FAD.1090109@blomand.net> Message-ID: <5626754E.8070002@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,10/20/2015 9:45 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: > See http://www.dj0ip.de/antennas/ for > further info on baluns, common mode chokes and OCFD antennas. > > On EQ, I suggest setting TX EQ: 50 Hz @ -16 dB, 100 Hz @ -12 Db, 200 > Hz @ -6 dB with the remainder at 0 dB. Bob, John's at P40 for contesting, so he will want the more aggressive low cut that I've suggested. Also, he's dealing with real antennas, not OFCD. :) As to the RFI possibility -- it may not be RFI at all, but rather a DC power related issue that SOUNDS like RFI. W8JI first told me about this. John -- do you have an outboard box that is powered from the same 12V power supply as your rig, feeding TX audio to your rig? If so, what you can be hearing is modulation of the IR drop on the black wire, which sounds like SSB on an AM detector. If you stick headphones between the two ends of the black wire running between the power supply and the transceiver, you'll hear it. Some easy solutions, depending on your setup and resources. First, bond chassis-to-chassis of all interconnected boxes with short, fat copper. Second, get power for the audio accessory either from it's own wall wart, or from the transceiver end of the dc cable that feeds the transceiver. 73, Jim K9YC From indians at xsmail.com Tue Oct 20 13:22:00 2015 From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:22:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <562666B9.90104@att.net> References: <56253E3F.9030704@gmail.com> <56264311.3000307@gmail.com> <562644A3.60007@aol.com> <8762F677-14CC-4C15-861D-3B09B1EA8A6A@gmail.com> <562666B9.90104@att.net> Message-ID: <1445361720627-7609343.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Bob, yes, sure. The TMP hand-crimp-tool link is here: http://www.scsiglobal.com/TaikoDenki/hand_crimp_tool.htm More details about the TMP technology (I do not like it :) is here: http://ok1rp.blogspot.ch/2015/10/elecraft-k3-tmp-k01x-a1-connector-and.html regards, 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-No-Receive-No-Transmit-SOLVED-tp7609301p7609343.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From indians at xsmail.com Tue Oct 20 13:27:17 2015 From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:27:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <1445361720627-7609343.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <56253E3F.9030704@gmail.com> <56264311.3000307@gmail.com> <562644A3.60007@aol.com> <8762F677-14CC-4C15-861D-3B09B1EA8A6A@gmail.com> <562666B9.90104@att.net> <1445361720627-7609343.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1445362037825-7609344.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, btw: The TMP cable 12" is the Elecraft part: #E850339. 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-No-Receive-No-Transmit-SOLVED-tp7609301p7609344.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From joe at k8fc.com Tue Oct 20 14:00:05 2015 From: joe at k8fc.com (Joseph Wilkowski) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 14:00:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB In-Reply-To: <562583B5.4050207@gmail.com> References: <5625667A.5030008@gmail.com> <56257567.9000401@embarqmail.com> <562583B5.4050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004001d10b61$26d45d40$747d17c0$@k8fc.com> Well. . . In the spirit of the original thread, how much of an effort would it have been to record this "top position" example ? /joe -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Shearer Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 7:59 PM To: w3fpr at embarqmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB well... That may depend on how you define top position. 1 (one) contact 20m QRP (6 points) = 1st in 1st call area, 3rd in North America see http://www.cqww.com/certs/do_certificate.php?cl=AB1HD&yr=2014&mode=SSB I guess he was trying to make a point? steve On 19-Oct-15 6:57 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Steve, > > Real the requirements carefully --- > Unless you are competing for the top positions, do not worry about it. > Running portable on just 40 meters in your spare time is not likely to > generate a score that will rank in the top 3. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 10/19/2015 5:54 PM, Stephen Shearer wrote: >> I guess I need to read the rules... ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to joe at k8fc.com From w4grj at satterfield.org Tue Oct 20 14:08:49 2015 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (W4GRJ) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:08:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles In-Reply-To: <1445356697670-7609332.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> <1445356697670-7609332.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <6CA945DA-3B34-4C4F-93EC-FBA0AA816B4F@satterfield.org> Peter, thanks....amp on it's way to Elecraft. I will report results when I get it back. Jack W4GRJ On Oct 20, 2015, at 11:58 AM, ok1rp [via Elecraft] wrote: Hi Jack, if your KPA500 has LPF board rev. D or earlier then You will need to make LPF TR Switch Rework REV5 modification, Elecraft parts kit: E850607. But maybe there is another issue in your case. Try to read first then decide. If you want and you have SMD tools then You can try to make this mods first and test if it was the case. If not then you can send to Elecraft service. If you have no SMD tools and experiences then it is better to send it to them now. The people at Elecraft service are great and professional so no worry about. It is not complicated just a bit tight on the board and not so much space around the parts to remove the old one. Must be done very carefully. I made this mod on KPA500 for two friends already and in both cases amps worked well after that. Hope it helps. 73 - Petr, OK1RP http://ok1rp.blogspot.com If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-troubles-tp7609284p7609332.html To unsubscribe from KPA500 troubles, click here. NAML -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-troubles-tp7609284p7609346.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Tue Oct 20 14:10:00 2015 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 13:10:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB In-Reply-To: <000601d10b48$da382b00$8ea88100$@windstream.net> References: <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <000601d10b48$da382b00$8ea88100$@windstream.net> Message-ID: <201510201310.00416.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> Does the 7851 come pre-installed as a mobile rig in a car for that price? I'd think you could close to buy a nice Elecraft rig, a recording device (if needed) for contests, AND a decent used car for that money. That is, unless you want to pretend that you're a commercial airline pilot with all those buttons and knobs. For me, by the time I got everything adjusted the way I wanted on that rig, the station I was trying to work would be long gone. TNX to Elecraft for sticking with clean and simple (by comparison with the 7851 et al) easy to use front panel layouts.... 73, Al On Tue October 20 2015 10:06:08 am Chester Alderman wrote: > For $14,500 bucks one should suspect the 7851 could be able to do anything? > > No thanks...I will stick with my K3! > > 73, > Tom > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Michael Aust Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:34 AM > To: Elecraft List > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB > > New ICOM IC-7851 can do this, for TX and RX record this all on a single SD > card on IC-7851 for the whole CQWW DX contest for you. 73 Mike > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to aldermant at windstream.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5jnc at centurytel.net From G0ORH at sky.com Tue Oct 20 13:44:16 2015 From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:44:16 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: <7680288C-DD03-4F23-B0B0-EE2B9DFC91D3@elecraft.com> References: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> <09F937B7-8F94-4840-9F43-A01BC278F4FC@sky.com> <7680288C-DD03-4F23-B0B0-EE2B9DFC91D3@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Thanks Wayne, Appreciated. Ken.. G0ORH Sent from my iPad > On 20 Oct 2015, at 15:35, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi Ken, > > When they issue a revised Figure 10 for the article, we'll put it on our website. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > >> On Oct 20, 2015, at 12:07 AM, Ken Chandler wrote: >> >> Hello Wayne >> Would like to view both ARRL (old v new) synth plots side by side if possible! >> Don't subscribe to ARRL, so not privy to that info!! >> >> Ken.. G0ORH - M3i >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >>> On 20 Oct 2015, at 01:03, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> You may have noticed that QST recently reviewed the K3's performance before/after swapping in a new KSYN3A synthesizer. While the review text was accurate (and complimentary), there was a significant error in the KSYN3A TX phase noise plot (Figure 10). This error made it appear as if the original synthesizer had lower (better) wide-spaced phase noise than the KSYN3A (starting where the plot lines cross), which is not the case. >>> >>> We should have caught this ourselves before the article went to print. We greatly appreciated the League's efforts to determine the source of error -- equipment setup -- and re-test. The digital-print version of QST will be corrected, and a correction will also appear in the December QST. >>> >>> The ARRL sent us the revised TX phase noise plot for the K3+KSYN3A that they tested. You can see it here: >>> >>> http://www.elecraft.com/specs/Joel's%20K3%2010-19-15%2020%20meter%20phase%20noise.BMP >>> >>> In addition they're testing a K3S. Its TX phase noise plot looks as good or slightly better: >>> >>> http://www.elecraft.com/specs/K3S%2010-19-15%20%2020%20meter%20phase%20noise.BMP > > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 14:20:14 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 14:20:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <56266B66.7040209@gmail.com> References: <56253E3F.9030704@gmail.com> <56264311.3000307@gmail.com> <562644A3.60007@aol.com> <8762F677-14CC-4C15-861D-3B09B1EA8A6A@gmail.com> <562666B9.90104@att.net> <56266B66.7040209@gmail.com> Message-ID: Vic has it correct. Thinking carefully about what I did, without ever hurting my fingers: I gradually insert the TMP lightly with a back and forth twisting motion and ALWAYS wiggle the connector a little until I feel the opening for the center conductor. Then a slight bit more push after I'm sure the pin is in the center. IMPORTANT and counter-intuitive: ===>>> Pushing hard on the TMP will frequently (always?) **NOT** force the pin into the center hole if the tip is even just a little misaligned. <<<=== I think trying to force a misaligned center pin causes a lot of the finger trauma and busted connector stuff. After correctly aligning the center pin as above, seating the TMP is easy with the side of needle nose pliers held flat across the flanges. A little tool would be nice. **But if the tip is misaligned,** the increased pressure possible from the tool would just break more things. TMP connectors are a decent cost reduction if the folks using them are educated to the technique. SMA connectors? A lot of things could be better if the K3(S) was manufactured to MIL-Spec. But what would it cost? Currently Elecraft is the least expensive product still riding the bleeding edge of improvements in our microscopic niche in the electronics world. We are capable of figuring out and dealing with things like TMP connectors. Eight years later and Yakencom is just now catching up. They certainly did not want to, but were thrashed so badly in technical head to head comparisons they HAD to. Elecraft technology is singularly responsible for forcing the greatest improvement in both analog SDR hybrid and pure SDR ham equipment across manufacturers. When JA1MP died, and the FT1000MP's were out, Yakencom just went to sitting on their collective b*tts, and concentrated on fluff to sell more units. Nature abhors a vacuum, and Elecraft appeared. These days one can't brag unless your rig is as good as a K3(S) in the tech listings. And the legion of comparison-mongers out there will hit you on every nit of difference on anything, CW keying shape, effectiveness of NB, transmitting bandwidth, QSK, degree of overload in ridiculous circumstances, yada, yada, you'll hear it about everything. Anyone sitting on their laurels will be left in the dust. That "anyone" could potentially include Elecraft. But thankfully Big E is still about doing things like a vastly improved synthesizer and forever working on their firmware. Good luck everyone, and 73, Guy K2AV. On Tuesday, October 20, 2015, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > The TMP connectors are not that hard to insert, but the danger is that it > is easy to apply too much force when they are not aligned properly, and > damage the socket-board connection. You can lift the trace from the board > if you are not careful (yes, I learned this the hard way). > > The trick is to start them by hand and make absolutely sure the center pin > is in its socket, and then push them all the way in with a tool like very > small needle-nose pliers or forceps. > > From rstealey at hotmail.com Tue Oct 20 14:35:38 2015 From: rstealey at hotmail.com (Rick Stealey) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:35:38 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> References: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I spotted the "anomoly" immediately in the composit noise chart.Really weird, how there was a crossover. I even re-read the text to see if they pointed it out. Nope.There is even an article in the issue by the publisher about the quality process they go through to assure accuracy in product reviews. Wayne, Elecraft deserves not just a reprint of the corrected chart, they should reprint the entire product review. Rick K2XT From ed at w0yk.com Tue Oct 20 15:57:57 2015 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 12:57:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: References: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1C3A819A406A47D08FAC0C55A1928E7D@h81420t> The plots have been updated in the online QST article: http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/arrl/qst_201511/index.php#/60 Ed W0YK _________________________________________________________________ Rick K2XT wrote: I spotted the "anomoly" immediately in the composit noise chart.Really weird, how there was a crossover. I even re-read the text to see if they pointed it out. Nope.There is even an article in the issue by the publisher about the quality process they go through to assure accuracy in product reviews. Wayne, Elecraft deserves not just a reprint of the corrected chart, they should reprint the entire product review. From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 16:02:39 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 06:02:39 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 main DSP Board upgrade Price ? In-Reply-To: <1445194009.32422.4.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <1445192216756-7609253.post@n2.nabble.com> <5623E517.9080501@socal.rr.com> <1445194009.32422.4.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <56269dec.4837420a.a4609.ffffe3f9@mx.google.com> He is a member of a larger group.... -----Original Message----- From: "David Cole" Sent: ?19/?10/?2015 4:47 AM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 main DSP Board upgrade Price ? No he isn't... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2015-10-18 at 11:29 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote: > You are not alone, Ed :-) > > Phil W7OX > > On 10/18/15 11:16 AM, KD7PY wrote: > > Was posted a while ago that as soon as all the K3S' orders were caught up > > with that the new DSP upgrade board would be available.. I have been > > waiting to up grade mine along with the KSYN3AUPG. > > just waiting for costs and how close to being able to ship. > > > > Ed KD7PY ex K7WIA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Tue Oct 20 16:08:12 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 16:08:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56269F2C.5030305@nycap.rr.com> This is what happens when there is less then careful/knowledgeable proof reading. Bill W2BLC K-Line From skjasper at att.net Tue Oct 20 16:20:57 2015 From: skjasper at att.net (NE9U - Jasper) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 15:20:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] sound card, microphone and k3 Message-ID: i am trying to get sound card audio to feed my k3 for the ssb contest this weekend and also use my Heil headset. if i feed the line out from the computer to line in of k3, neither the front or rear panel headset inputs are enabled, so headset doesnt work, but i do get the sound card audio. if i enable the front panel or rear panel for the headset, the sound card audio doesnt work. Is there an easy way to feed both sound card audio and headset audio? scott ne9u Sent from Republic Wireless Cray-1 From scott.manthe at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 16:30:48 2015 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 16:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: <56269F2C.5030305@nycap.rr.com> References: <56269F2C.5030305@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <5626A478.1000009@gmail.com> Maybe. Or maybe the copy editor is a fan of Flex gear. ? Rick, K2XT is correct. Not to go off the deep end here, but a simple correction doesn't undo the damage to Elecraft's reputation that this "error" appearing in print has caused. QST really should reprint the entire review with an explanation of why it is doing that. Maybe they need to reassess (yet again) the quality control in their editorial process. 73, Scott N9AA On 10/20/15 4:08 PM, Bill wrote: > This is what happens when there is less then careful/knowledgeable > proof reading. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Oct 20 16:48:24 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 13:48:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: <5626A478.1000009@gmail.com> References: <56269F2C.5030305@nycap.rr.com> <5626A478.1000009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6545DD28-FAB7-408E-A828-451084D98082@wunderwood.org> I wish the transmitted noise was presented more like a proof of performance. One line for the FCC requirement, then a broad line showing the curves of the three best rigs tested so far. That would give a clear view of whether this transmitter was just barely good enough or among the best. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Oct 20, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: > > Maybe. Or maybe the copy editor is a fan of Flex gear. ? > > Rick, K2XT is correct. Not to go off the deep end here, but a simple correction doesn't undo the damage to Elecraft's reputation that this "error" appearing in print has caused. QST really should reprint the entire review with an explanation of why it is doing that. Maybe they need to reassess (yet again) the quality control in their editorial process. > > 73, > Scott N9AA > > On 10/20/15 4:08 PM, Bill wrote: >> This is what happens when there is less then careful/knowledgeable proof reading. >> >> Bill W2BLC K-Line >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From nf4l at comcast.net Tue Oct 20 17:15:48 2015 From: nf4l at comcast.net (Mike Reublin NF4L) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 17:15:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] sound card, microphone and k3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you have MENU:MIC+Lin ON? 73, Mike NF4L > On Oct 20, 2015, at 4:20 PM, NE9U - Jasper wrote: > > i am trying to get sound card audio to feed my k3 for the ssb contest this weekend and also use my Heil headset. > > if i feed the line out from the computer to line in of k3, neither the front or rear panel headset inputs are enabled, so headset doesnt work, but i do get the sound card audio. if i enable the front panel or rear panel for the headset, the sound card audio doesnt work. > > Is there an easy way to feed both sound card audio and headset audio? > > scott ne9u > > > > > > > > Sent from Republic Wireless Cray-1 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nf4l at comcast.net From w6sx at arrl.net Tue Oct 20 17:18:47 2015 From: w6sx at arrl.net (Hank Garretson) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 14:18:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: <6545DD28-FAB7-408E-A828-451084D98082@wunderwood.org> References: <56269F2C.5030305@nycap.rr.com> <5626A478.1000009@gmail.com> <6545DD28-FAB7-408E-A828-451084D98082@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: > One line for the FCC requirement, then a broad line showing the curves of > the three best rigs tested so far. > Please give a reference for "FCC requirement." Best I have been able to find are wishy-washy words addressing something like best or current engineering standards. 73, Hank, W6SX From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Tue Oct 20 17:25:02 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:25:02 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Settings In-Reply-To: <56266FAD.1090109@blomand.net> References: <000a01d10b4f$3fb28100$bf178300$@com> <56266FAD.1090109@blomand.net> Message-ID: <00b301d10b7d$cd168e00$6743aa00$@co.uk> K4TAX wrote: >Well again we get into conditions which typically manifest into Common >Mode Current issues. Depending on antenna, I always carry a coax jumper >with a bunch, as in 50 to 75, of Ferrite beads of #43 and #73 material. The most versatile problem-solvers are K9YC's favorite large #31 snap-on beads. They are large enough to accept multiple turns (which greatly boosts the CM impedance compared with beads) and can be snapped on to an existing cable without removing any connectors, so it only takes a few seconds to create a highly effective CM choke wherever in the station it might be needed. For more details, start here and then follow the links to Jim's site and to G3TXQ's site. Don't leave home without at least two or three of these beads in your baggage. 73 from Ian GM3SEK From rstealey at hotmail.com Tue Oct 20 17:33:02 2015 From: rstealey at hotmail.com (Rick Stealey) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 21:33:02 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: <6545DD28-FAB7-408E-A828-451084D98082@wunderwood.org> References: , <56269F2C.5030305@nycap.rr.com> <5626A478.1000009@gmail.com>, <6545DD28-FAB7-408E-A828-451084D98082@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: > That would give a clear view of whether this transmitter was just barely good enough or among the best. > > wunder > K6WRU The link to new data that Wayne sent showed a VERY beautiful, detailed readout from their test gear. Not that crude, little (what looks like) hand drawn chart that you need a magnifying glass to see, and which you have to interpolate to try to get meaningful info from. No wonder they fouled up the report. Rick K2XT From lists at subich.com Tue Oct 20 17:33:34 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 17:33:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: <6545DD28-FAB7-408E-A828-451084D98082@wunderwood.org> References: <56269F2C.5030305@nycap.rr.com> <5626A478.1000009@gmail.com> <6545DD28-FAB7-408E-A828-451084D98082@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <5626B32E.7070804@subich.com> On 10/20/2015 4:48 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > > One line for the FCC requirement, then a broad line showing the > curvesof the three best rigs tested so far. Unfortunately, there is no FCC requirement for transmitted phase noise. Showing the "best three" on the graph is a good idea but the graphs are generally hard to read. I would like to see the data presented in tabular form with values at 5 KHz, 10 KHz, 50 KHz and 100 KHz (at least) *with equivalent transmitter noise output* in 500 Hz and 2400 Hz bandwidths for a 1500 Watt signal. ARRL have generally done a poor job in explaining the issues of transmitted phase noise - perhaps because of the substantial number of rigs with transmitted phase noise greater that -128 dBc/Hz at 100 KHz or more. When one considers than 1500 W is +62 dBm, phase noise at -128 dBc/Hz represents a substantial interfering signal for a distance of several miles at HF - potentially S7 or S8 (ca. -80 to - 85 dBm) in an SSB bandwidth at 100 KHz or more from the transmitting carrier. Transmitted phase noise is not just a problem for Field Day any more ! 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/20/2015 4:48 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > I wish the transmitted noise was presented more like a proof of performance. > > One line for the FCC requirement, then a broad line showing the curves of the three best rigs tested so far. > > That would give a clear view of whether this transmitter was just barely good enough or among the best. > > wunder > K6WRU > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Oct 20, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Scott Manthe wrote: >> >> Maybe. Or maybe the copy editor is a fan of Flex gear. ? >> >> Rick, K2XT is correct. Not to go off the deep end here, but a simple correction doesn't undo the damage to Elecraft's reputation that this "error" appearing in print has caused. QST really should reprint the entire review with an explanation of why it is doing that. Maybe they need to reassess (yet again) the quality control in their editorial process. >> >> 73, >> Scott N9AA >> >> On 10/20/15 4:08 PM, Bill wrote: >>> This is what happens when there is less then careful/knowledgeable proof reading. >>> >>> Bill W2BLC K-Line >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From skjasper at att.net Tue Oct 20 17:42:34 2015 From: skjasper at att.net (NE9U - Jasper) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 16:42:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] sound card, microphone and k3 References: Message-ID: <2B5C372DF1044A9184FE355C6A5681ED@FAMILYROOM> Thanks Mike...should have known elecraft had already thought of that!....I'm still kinda new to this rig and haven't found all the menu selection items yet. Is there a line in setting to equalize with the mic...its rather low... output out on card is max. else i probably just need to rerecord messages at higher mic gain setting... thanks...73 Scott ne9u ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Reublin NF4L" To: "NE9U - Jasper" Cc: "Elecraft List" Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] sound card, microphone and k3 Do you have MENU:MIC+Lin ON? 73, Mike NF4L > On Oct 20, 2015, at 4:20 PM, NE9U - Jasper wrote: > > i am trying to get sound card audio to feed my k3 for the ssb contest this > weekend and also use my Heil headset. > > if i feed the line out from the computer to line in of k3, neither the > front or rear panel headset inputs are enabled, so headset doesnt work, > but i do get the sound card audio. if i enable the front panel or rear > panel for the headset, the sound card audio doesnt work. > > Is there an easy way to feed both sound card audio and headset audio? > > scott ne9u > > From dave at nk7z.net Tue Oct 20 17:47:40 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 14:47:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Settings In-Reply-To: <56266D86.5030003@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <000a01d10b4f$3fb28100$bf178300$@com> <56266D86.5030003@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1445377660.32422.100.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Jim, I would take you up on that if possible as well!! Pick a time... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Tue, 2015-10-20 at 09:36 -0700, Jim Brown wrote: > On Tue,10/20/2015 8:51 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > > I am using a Heil HC-4 element with no > > equalizer settings, mic 30 compression 18. > > Hi John, > > I'd be happy to listen to you on the air and talk you through adjustments. > > Some suggestions. Ignore your numbers of 30 and 18 -- they are the wrong > thing to look at. Start with TXEQ -- set the three lowest bands to > maximum cut, take the 4th band down about 6 dB. Leave everything else > set flat (0dB). Now, turn compression all the way down, and adjust your > mic gain so that you see occasional peaks of full power. To get the > right setting, you may need to temporarily increase VOX GAIN. Now, turn > up compression so that on the compression METER, you see peaks of about > 10 dB. This is the way you want to run it. > > This will get you in the ballpark, and it's time to get some signal > reports. Also, if you're like me, you probably yell louder during the > contest, so be prepared to turn the mic gain down to stay within those > settings. > > You will, of course, want to balance the live mic with recordings. The > above assumes that the live mic is on the mic input and the computer is > on the Line Input. That's how I work. So once you're adjusted for the > live mic, you'll want to adjust computer playback to get the same > indications of compression. > > There's more to the computer gain adjustment. It's written up here, > following the disucssion of computer sound cards. > > http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From carl at n8vz.com Tue Oct 20 18:36:37 2015 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Carl_J=F3n_Denbow?=) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:36:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A < TT Jupiter on Broadcast Band Message-ID: <5626C1F5.1020204@n8vz.com> I recently installed a KBPF3A in the sub receiver. I've been surprised to discover on direct A/B comparisons using the same antenna that my old TT Jupiter is much more sensitive on the broadcast band. A station that comes in at S-6 on the Jupiter is maybe an S-2 on the K3s. This is very noticeable to the ear, as you might imagine. I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed that the KBPF3A is not exactly optimized for the broadcast band. Also, I have another issue related to the Jupiter and the K3s. I tried to install my new SP3 so that I could switch between using it with the K3s and the Jupiter with the front switch. However, when I hook the K3s to the SP3 when the Jupiter is connected, it immediately mutes the speaker. I can then switch to the K3s connection, and it's working fine. Switch to the Jupiter and it's muted, unless I physically disconnect the K3s in the back of the SP3. I've looked at the rather simple schematic of the SP3, and I can't figure out why this is happening. It appears to me that something must be shorting ring and sleeve in the K3s, but I can't exactly figure out how his can be happening. Any help would be appreciated. 73, Carl -- ================================================= Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! ================================================= From nq5t at tx.rr.com Tue Oct 20 18:41:00 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 17:41:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: <56269F2C.5030305@nycap.rr.com> References: <56269F2C.5030305@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <9EB8C672-1828-4C29-95E8-4652D6A12D15@tx.rr.com> It was also a process issue. One wonders what others errors have been reported as "fact" because equipment wasn't properly set up. I have personally never made a mistake -- right -- NOT ;) Mistakes happen. But this needs more than a footnote's worth of clarification ... Grant NQ5T Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 20, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Bill wrote: > > This is what happens when there is less then careful/knowledgeable proof reading. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nq5t at tx.rr.com From rmcgraw at blomand.net Tue Oct 20 20:54:23 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 19:54:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Settings In-Reply-To: <1445377660.32422.100.camel@nostromo.nk7z> References: <000a01d10b4f$3fb28100$bf178300$@com> <56266D86.5030003@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1445377660.32422.100.camel@nostromo.nk7z> Message-ID: <5626E23F.4000608@blomand.net> There's a much easier and much better way to "do it by yourself". I use a free application Audacity for the process. Connect the K3 to the computer using the same method as for digital modes. Activate the K3S in the TEST mode, turn up the MON gain to about 10 and activate the record mode in Audacity. Record about 30 seconds, save the file and play it back. Listen critically. Make the adjustments you believe necessary, and repeat the process until you get it sounding exactly as you desire to be heard over the air. I find this method is much more accurate than using headphones and trying to listen to yourself while talking and listening at the same time. The record/playback process does not consider the internal audio path between the mouth and voice and the ears but only presents what goes through the mike and the radio. A general comment overlooked by most. The mike-to-mouth position and mike placement is much more critical than many realize. I've found if one changes the mike-to-mouth distance, looks around the room or the desk while talking, or doesn't put the headset boom in the exact same place every time, one will have different sounding audio. Thus it may sound great one time and not so good the next time. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/20/2015 4:47 PM, David Cole wrote: > Jim, > I would take you up on that if possible as well!! Pick a time... > -- Thanks and 73's, On Tue, 2015-10-20 at 09:36 -0700, Jim Brown wrote: >> >On Tue,10/20/2015 8:51 AM,john at kk9a.com wrote: >>> > >I am using a Heil HC-4 element with no >>> > >equalizer settings, mic 30 compression 18. >> > >> >Hi John, >> > >> >I'd be happy to listen to you on the air and talk you through adjustments. From clark.macaulay at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 21:20:47 2015 From: clark.macaulay at gmail.com (engineercm) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:20:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Received Signal Drops When Roofing Filter Switched In Message-ID: <1445390447606-7609366.post@n2.nabble.com> Gents, I wasn't sure how to even search for a question similar to mine, so if this a duplicate, please forgive me. Have a K3 with the 400 Hz 8-pole filter. With the band conditions being so poor, I've been experimenting with different settings of DSP on weak signals. I've also been experimenting with NR on weak signals. Tonight I as listening to D4D on 17m CW. Using NR with a wide setting for DSP, I could copy him fine. When I turned OFF the NR and readjusted DSP to 400 Hz (where the filter kicks in), the noise level dramatically dropped as did the signal. In fact, I could copy him better at 450 Hz when the roofing filter is not switched in. It's almost like there is some insertion loss in the filter. Is that what I'm hearing? I would expect a step-function change in noise between 450 hz (no roofing filter) and 400 hz (roofing filter) but not the signal. I'm using headphones and the Rx Eq is set up to per p.127 of KE7X manual with 6db boost at 400 hz and 800 Hz. 73, Clark/WU4B -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Received-Signal-Drops-When-Roofing-Filter-Switched-In-tp7609366.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From rtavan at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 21:41:15 2015 From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan N6XI) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 18:41:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Internal Clicking Sound Message-ID: Once my KPA500 warms up, it begins making sporadic clicking sounds. Usually it sounds like a relay but sometimes it's quieter and might be metal buckling as it contracts and expands. Any suggestions on tracking it down? Thanks, /Rick -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA From cozzicon at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 21:55:25 2015 From: cozzicon at gmail.com (Michael Cozzi) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 21:55:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Internal Clicking Sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5626F08D.30006@gmail.com> I am experiencing the same issue. Amp works fine however. Seems to be heat related. Michael- KD8TUT On 10/20/2015 9:41 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: > Once my KPA500 warms up, it begins making sporadic clicking sounds. Usually > it sounds like a relay but sometimes it's quieter and might be metal > buckling as it contracts and expands. Any suggestions on tracking it down? > > Thanks, > > /Rick > From jim at jtmiller.com Tue Oct 20 22:00:37 2015 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:00:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC-2 and 6m Message-ID: How do you get an output for 6m from the KRC-2? 73 jim ab3cv From hlyingst at yahoo.com Tue Oct 20 22:00:12 2015 From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 02:00:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Internal Clicking Sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <244441084.627120.1445392812434.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Page 17 of the manual "you may hear audible clicking sounds,particularly as amplifier components cool after transmitting. This is normal." From: Rick Tavan N6XI To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:41 PM Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Internal Clicking Sound Once my KPA500 warms up, it begins making sporadic clicking sounds. Usually it sounds like a relay but sometimes it's quieter and might be metal buckling as it contracts and expands. Any suggestions on tracking it down? Thanks, /Rick -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com From wes at triconet.org Tue Oct 20 22:34:27 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 19:34:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Internal Clicking Sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5626F9B3.80008@triconet.org> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-clicking-td7596512.html On 10/20/2015 6:41 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: > Once my KPA500 warms up, it begins making sporadic clicking sounds. Usually > it sounds like a relay but sometimes it's quieter and might be metal > buckling as it contracts and expands. Any suggestions on tracking it down? > > Thanks, > > /Rick > From rtavan at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 22:42:02 2015 From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan N6XI) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 19:42:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Internal Clicking Sound In-Reply-To: <244441084.627120.1445392812434.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <244441084.627120.1445392812434.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, I'll be! I've had the amp (albeit with some part replacemnts) since field test days and just started noticing the clicking. Never saw that warning in he manual which may post-date construction of my amp. Thanks, Harry. /Rick On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Harry Yingst wrote: > Page 17 of the manual > > "you may hear audible clicking sounds, > particularly as amplifier components cool after transmitting. This is > normal." > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rick Tavan N6XI > *To:* Elecraft Reflector > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2015 9:41 PM > *Subject:* [Elecraft] KPA500 Internal Clicking Sound > > Once my KPA500 warms up, it begins making sporadic clicking sounds. Usually > it sounds like a relay but sometimes it's quieter and might be metal > buckling as it contracts and expands. Any suggestions on tracking it down? > > Thanks, > > /Rick > > -- > Rick Tavan N6XI > Truckee, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hlyingst at yahoo.com > > > -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA From w6jhb at me.com Tue Oct 20 23:24:48 2015 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 20:24:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Internal Clicking Sound In-Reply-To: <5626F08D.30006@gmail.com> References: <5626F08D.30006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <93245687-C421-46C2-8222-5C65F7FDD0E2@me.com> Yes, you will find in the archives that this is a "normal" occurrence with the KPA500 - it IS heat/cooling related and is nothing to worry about. Jim Bennett / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Oct 20, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Michael Cozzi wrote: > > > I am experiencing the same issue. Amp works fine however. Seems to be heat related. > > Michael- KD8TUT > > >> On 10/20/2015 9:41 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: >> Once my KPA500 warms up, it begins making sporadic clicking sounds. Usually >> it sounds like a relay but sometimes it's quieter and might be metal >> buckling as it contracts and expands. Any suggestions on tracking it down? >> >> Thanks, >> >> /Rick > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 01:39:09 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:39:09 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A < TT Jupiter on Broadcast Band In-Reply-To: <5626C1F5.1020204@n8vz.com> References: <5626C1F5.1020204@n8vz.com> Message-ID: <0E327D9B-8156-440F-9538-C33479D740EB@gmail.com> There is a high pass filter in the K3 to protect the t/r switch. It is in the circuit to the main antenna input. To listen to the bc band you should use the rx antenna input which is after the h/p filter. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO Sent from my phone > On Oct 21, 2015, at 1:36, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: > > I recently installed a KBPF3A in the sub receiver. I've been surprised to discover on direct A/B comparisons using the same antenna that my old TT Jupiter is much more sensitive on the broadcast band. A station that comes in at S-6 on the Jupiter is maybe an S-2 on the K3s. This is very noticeable to the ear, as you might imagine. I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed that the KBPF3A is not exactly optimized for the broadcast band. > > Also, I have another issue related to the Jupiter and the K3s. I tried to install my new SP3 so that I could switch between using it with the K3s and the Jupiter with the front switch. However, when I hook the K3s to the SP3 when the Jupiter is connected, it immediately mutes the speaker. I can then switch to the K3s connection, and it's working fine. Switch to the Jupiter and it's muted, unless I physically disconnect the K3s in the back of the SP3. I've looked at the rather simple schematic of the SP3, and I can't figure out why this is happening. It appears to me that something must be shorting ring and sleeve in the K3s, but I can't exactly figure out how his can be happening. Any help would be appreciated. > > 73, > > Carl > -- > ================================================= > Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ > 17 Coventry Lane > Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 > > carl at n8vz.com > www.n8vz.com > EM89wh > > IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 > > PSK and JT65 Forever! > ================================================= > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Oct 21 03:48:57 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 23:48:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED Message-ID: <201510210749.t9L7mw0s009591@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> I'd be careful what I asked for. Sma connectors are way more difficult to connect than TMP. In close quarters almost impossible to turn the nut on a sma and the fine thread has to be exactly aligned. I have two custom-made tools for doing that and that is not always good enough. Better would be one of the miniature mw connectors that just push-on. But cost comes into the design consideration. These TMP are used in many radios for low-level RF connections that are hardly ever disconnected (except for maintenance or upgrades). What you are doing is making upgrades which most hams never will do with other brands (they get to buy new rigs instead). Be glad you are not asked to solder sm parts to make the upgrade! 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Wed Oct 21 05:02:44 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:02:44 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED In-Reply-To: References: <56253E3F.9030704@gmail.com> <56264311.3000307@gmail.com> <562644A3.60007@aol.com> <8762F677-14CC-4C15-861D-3B09B1EA8A6A@gmail.com> <562666B9.90104@att.net> <56266B66.7040209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000d01d10bdf$44bf5f20$ce3e1d60$@co.uk> Another point worth making is that connectors and users "train" each other, so it all becomes easier with practice. First-time assembly of multi-pole or TMP connectors may be a little difficult because of production tolerances. But once the pins have been successfully aligned with each other, they will connect much more easily in future. At the same time, the connector is training you - showing you how to line up the pins correctly, and how to recognize by look and feel when the connector has been correctly mated. And finally, don't forget "Rule 1 of Elecraft Assembly": Everything fits together *exactly*. If that doesn't seem to be the case, try repositioning the user. 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Guy Olinger K2AV >Sent: 20 October 2015 19:20 >To: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO >Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED > >Vic has it correct. Thinking carefully about what I did, without ever >hurting my fingers: > >I gradually insert the TMP lightly with a back and forth twisting motion >and ALWAYS wiggle the connector a little until I feel the opening for the >center conductor. Then a slight bit more push after I'm sure the pin is in >the center. IMPORTANT and counter-intuitive: > > >===>>> Pushing hard on the TMP will frequently (always?) **NOT** force >the >pin into the center hole if the tip is even just a little misaligned. <<<=== > > >I think trying to force a misaligned center pin causes a lot of the finger >trauma and busted connector stuff. After correctly aligning the center pin >as above, seating the TMP is easy with the side of needle nose pliers held >flat across the flanges. > >A little tool would be nice. **But if the tip is misaligned,** the >increased pressure possible from the tool would just break more things. > >TMP connectors are a decent cost reduction if the folks using them are >educated to the technique. > >SMA connectors? A lot of things could be better if the K3(S) was >manufactured to MIL-Spec. But what would it cost? Currently Elecraft is >the >least expensive product still riding the bleeding edge of improvements in >our microscopic niche in the electronics world. We are capable of figuring >out and dealing with things like TMP connectors. > >Eight years later and Yakencom is just now catching up. They certainly did >not want to, but were thrashed so badly in technical head to head >comparisons they HAD to. Elecraft technology is singularly responsible for >forcing the greatest improvement in both analog SDR hybrid and pure SDR >ham >equipment across manufacturers. When JA1MP died, and the FT1000MP's >were >out, Yakencom just went to sitting on their collective b*tts, and >concentrated on fluff to sell more units. Nature abhors a vacuum, and >Elecraft appeared. > >These days one can't brag unless your rig is as good as a K3(S) in the tech >listings. And the legion of comparison-mongers out there will hit you on >every nit of difference on anything, CW keying shape, effectiveness of NB, >transmitting bandwidth, QSK, degree of overload in ridiculous >circumstances, yada, yada, you'll hear it about everything. Anyone sitting >on their laurels will be left in the dust. That "anyone" could potentially >include Elecraft. But thankfully Big E is still about doing things like a >vastly improved synthesizer and forever working on their firmware. > >Good luck everyone, and 73, >Guy K2AV. > >On Tuesday, October 20, 2015, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO > >wrote: > >> The TMP connectors are not that hard to insert, but the danger is that it >> is easy to apply too much force when they are not aligned properly, and >> damage the socket-board connection. You can lift the trace from the >board >> if you are not careful (yes, I learned this the hard way). >> >> The trick is to start them by hand and make absolutely sure the center pin >> is in its socket, and then push them all the way in with a tool like very >> small needle-nose pliers or forceps. >> >> >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From va3mw at portcredit.net Wed Oct 21 05:59:42 2015 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Mike va3mw) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 05:59:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SS In-Reply-To: <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A5E5C8D-39CF-4269-9849-F717FBA9A2E4@portcredit.net> Use N1MM+ which is free to do your logging and QSORDER which is also free. Both these run on your PC. Many have done it for years like this. Each qso is logged as a separate audio file and it works wonderfully. I've done it from my remote base logging the audio locally for the past 4 or 5 years. Mike va3mw > On Oct 20, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Michael Aust wrote: > > New ICOM IC-7851 can do this, for TX and RX record this all on a single SD card on IC-7851 for the whole CQWW DX contest for you. > 73 Mike > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 06:29:22 2015 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 05:29:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A < TT Jupiter on Broadcast Band In-Reply-To: <0E327D9B-8156-440F-9538-C33479D740EB@gmail.com> References: <5626C1F5.1020204@n8vz.com> <0E327D9B-8156-440F-9538-C33479D740EB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EEFBF42-1E9F-4A73-AFB1-69B6A9A15E81@gmail.com> Carl, see Jupiter manual, text on I-1 Ungrounded speaker, speakers terminals balanced load. Frank, KG9H > On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:39 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: > > There is a high pass filter in the K3 to protect the t/r switch. It is in the circuit to the main antenna input. To listen to the bc band you should use the rx antenna input which is after the h/p filter. > > Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > Sent from my phone > >> On Oct 21, 2015, at 1:36, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: >> >> I recently installed a KBPF3A in the sub receiver. I've been surprised to discover on direct A/B comparisons using the same antenna that my old TT Jupiter is much more sensitive on the broadcast band. A station that comes in at S-6 on the Jupiter is maybe an S-2 on the K3s. This is very noticeable to the ear, as you might imagine. I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed that the KBPF3A is not exactly optimized for the broadcast band. >> >> Also, I have another issue related to the Jupiter and the K3s. I tried to install my new SP3 so that I could switch between using it with the K3s and the Jupiter with the front switch. However, when I hook the K3s to the SP3 when the Jupiter is connected, it immediately mutes the speaker. I can then switch to the K3s connection, and it's working fine. Switch to the Jupiter and it's muted, unless I physically disconnect the K3s in the back of the SP3. I've looked at the rather simple schematic of the SP3, and I can't figure out why this is happening. It appears to me that something must be shorting ring and sleeve in the K3s, but I can't exactly figure out how his can be happening. Any help would be appreciated. >> >> 73, >> >> Carl >> -- >> ================================================= >> Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ >> 17 Coventry Lane >> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 >> >> carl at n8vz.com >> www.n8vz.com >> EM89wh >> >> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 >> >> PSK and JT65 Forever! >> ================================================= >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kg9hfrank at gmail.com From pincon at erols.com Wed Oct 21 07:35:19 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 07:35:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED In-Reply-To: <201510210749.t9L7mw0s009591@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201510210749.t9L7mw0s009591@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <001901d10bf4$94fb54c0$bef1fe40$@erols.com> What were those dinky looking cable to board connectors that Drake used in their TR-7? I'm certainly NOT advocating a change to those, but I don't think I've ever seen them used on any other equipment. As chintzy as they looked, I seldom ran into a situation where their connection was flaky. They used the center conductor of the coax and had some sort of crimped on shell for the shield. They were also a bit tricky to align, but seemed to work OK. Since this is way off the thread, I'd request a direct reply since I doubt if anyone else cares. Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 3:49 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 No Receive, No Transmit - SOLVED I'd be careful what I asked for. Sma connectors are way more difficult to connect than TMP. In close quarters almost impossible to turn the nut on a sma and the fine thread has to be exactly aligned. I have two custom-made tools for doing that and that is not always good enough. Better would be one of the miniature mw connectors that just push-on. But cost comes into the design consideration. These TMP are used in many radios for low-level RF connections that are hardly ever disconnected (except for maintenance or upgrades). What you are doing is making upgrades which most hams never will do with other brands (they get to buy new rigs instead). Be glad you are not asked to solder sm parts to make the upgrade! 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com __________________________________________________ ____________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From dalej2 at mac.com Wed Oct 21 08:49:26 2015 From: dalej2 at mac.com (DaleJ) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 07:49:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Internal Clicking Sound Message-ID: Yes, the book says normal, but it's annoying. I fixed mine by taking the heatsink off and using heatsink compound on it to the mating surface then I used locking washers under the machine screws and tightened it down, be careful not to over toque. The clicking is caused by the heatsink expanding and contracting. Good luck Dale, k9vuj From cozzicon at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 09:02:39 2015 From: cozzicon at gmail.com (Michael Cozzi) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:02:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Internal Clicking Sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56278CEF.2060602@gmail.com> Dale, Was there a temperature improvement by using the grease? I've seen 7c+ reductions by using Arctic silver type compound on processors instead of the stock melty pads sometimes provided. On 10/21/2015 8:49 AM, DaleJ wrote: > Yes, the book says normal, but it's annoying. I fixed mine by taking the heatsink off and using heatsink compound on it to the mating surface then I used locking washers under the machine screws and tightened it down, be careful not to over toque. The clicking is caused by the heatsink expanding and contracting. > > Good luck > Dale, k9vuj > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cozzicon at gmail.com From efortner at ctc.net Wed Oct 21 09:13:21 2015 From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:13:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s on rtty Message-ID: <000601d10c02$4336d570$c9a48050$@net> >From Earl, K4KAY. I now have lp-bridge running and cat control is working fine. I have to give credit to my friend Richard, K4KRW for his help. I am now trying to get MMTTY going and reading other posts about using transistor to invert the signal etc, to do FSK. I have done this with Other rigs but also remember others saying I no longer need the signal link. Which rtty program would be simpler. I already have MMTTY on My computer and not successful on my first try. I assume I would use the lp-bridge to get it on the K3s but when I assign the comport on the Lp-bridge MMTTY tells me I have no comport. I am open for suggestions. I prefer MMTTY but can go another route if simpler and I want to stay with FSK with my K3s and P3 panadapter with the VGS option. Regards, Earl, K4KAY From hhoyt at mebtel.net Wed Oct 21 09:19:51 2015 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:19:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fair-Rite mix 31 cores In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562790F7.4020908@mebtel.net> Ian, GM3SEK wrote: > The most versatile problem-solvers are K9YC's favorite large #31 snap-on > beads. They are large enough to accept multiple turns (which greatly > boosts the CM impedance compared with beads) and can be snapped on to an > existing cable without removing any connectors, so it only takes a few > seconds to create a highly effective CM choke wherever in the station it > might be needed. The Fair-Rite mix 31 Snap-Its are proven to reduce CM currents in multiple applications. Jim Brown's paper has been the reference for hams dealing with this issue: http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf In my case I had an issue that whenever I transmitted on 160M my home alarm would sound, which made me unpopular with my wife when working top band contests at 2AM. Running the bundle of cables returning to the alarm panel through the large Snap-It 3-turns stopped this cold. (commercial content here) Pro Audio Engineering is now carrying the four most commonly used sizes including ones mentioned in his paper at good pricing. Cheers & 73, Howie - WA4PSC From mcduffie at ag0n.net Wed Oct 21 10:02:51 2015 From: mcduffie at ag0n.net (mcduffie at ag0n.net) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:02:51 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles In-Reply-To: <1445356697670-7609332.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> <1445356697670-7609332.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 08:58:17 -0700 (MST), ok1rp wrote: > if your KPA500 has LPF board rev. D or earlier then You will need to make > LPF TR Switch Rework REV5 modification, Elecraft parts kit: E850607. But > maybe there is another issue in your case. Apparently, I missed the OP on this. What is it about? What vintage amp (SN?), and what does this modification do? Gary AG0N From mcduffie at ag0n.net Wed Oct 21 10:09:41 2015 From: mcduffie at ag0n.net (mcduffie at ag0n.net) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:09:41 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Internal Clicking Sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8r6f2bt3bus2h8em5ge3q4q8gdutsbp1t3@4ax.com> On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 07:49:26 -0500, DaleJ wrote: > Yes, the book says normal, but it's annoying. This is an interesting topic and the explanation I saw on it some time back made perfect sense. However, I also find it interesting that I have never experienced the ticking at all on mine. Over the last couple of years, it has had a nice workout almost daily on six meter digital modes, where it heats up to stage 4 and sometimes 5 on the fan, and it has never done it. Even before that, when it was newer and was only used on SSB/CW (stage 1 and sometimes 2 fan), it didn't do it. I'm curious why some do and some don't??? Gary - AG0N From dalej2 at mac.com Wed Oct 21 10:16:29 2015 From: dalej2 at mac.com (DaleJ) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:16:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Internal Clicking Sound In-Reply-To: <8r6f2bt3bus2h8em5ge3q4q8gdutsbp1t3@4ax.com> References: <8r6f2bt3bus2h8em5ge3q4q8gdutsbp1t3@4ax.com> Message-ID: <9E74C402-5ADE-414C-B235-972AB4BA86E3@mac.com> When I called support about this they said it was normal expansion and contraction of the heat sink. They also said for me to check the screws and make sure they are tight. I went the step further and added heat sink compound and lock washers under the screws. Never clicked again. Dale, k9vuj On 21, Oct 2015, at 9:09, mcduffie at ag0n.net wrote: On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 07:49:26 -0500, DaleJ wrote: > Yes, the book says normal, but it's annoying. This is an interesting topic and the explanation I saw on it some time back made perfect sense. However, I also find it interesting that I have never experienced the ticking at all on mine. Over the last couple of years, it has had a nice workout almost daily on six meter digital modes, where it heats up to stage 4 and sometimes 5 on the fan, and it has never done it. Even before that, when it was newer and was only used on SSB/CW (stage 1 and sometimes 2 fan), it didn't do it. I'm curious why some do and some don't??? Gary - AG0N From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk Wed Oct 21 10:21:32 2015 From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham g3tct) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:21:32 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SSB In-Reply-To: <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56279F6C.8010800@g3tct.co.uk> I use a Zoom H2 stereo recorder which has a line input you can connect direct to the K3 line out. You can set the recording format to something economical like .mp3 at 48kbps - don't need hifi. It connects to a computer with USB. They're used for live music so good quality (AFAICT). I don't envy the people that have to listen to it all though!!!!! 73 Graham From w6sx at arrl.net Wed Oct 21 10:34:00 2015 From: w6sx at arrl.net (Hank Garretson) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 07:34:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SS In-Reply-To: <3A5E5C8D-39CF-4269-9849-F717FBA9A2E4@portcredit.net> References: <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <3A5E5C8D-39CF-4269-9849-F717FBA9A2E4@portcredit.net> Message-ID: QSO Recorder does not meet the letter of CQWW rules: *C. Audio Recordings:* Any single operator entrant (see V.A.1) competing > for a top three finish at the (a) World, (b) Continent, or (c) USA levels, > must record the transmitted and received audio as heard by the operator for > the duration of the contest operation. > Contest Exuberantly, Hank, W6SX On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Mike va3mw wrote: > Use N1MM+ which is free to do your logging and QSORDER which is also > free. Both these run on your PC. > > Many have done it for years like this. Each qso is logged as a separate > audio file and it works wonderfully. > > I've done it from my remote base logging the audio locally for the past 4 > or 5 years. > > Mike va3mw > From Ka9p at aol.com Wed Oct 21 10:44:53 2015 From: Ka9p at aol.com (Ka9p at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:44:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CM 500 setings Message-ID: <69a2f.56c3fe1.4358fee5@aol.com> HI, I'm setting up the CM 500 headset with a new to me K3 for the first time, and having a hard time getting the anti-vox and vox gain balanced for reliable trip without tripping every time I touch the headset or cable. Can anyone recommend a good starting point for this? Thanks, Scott ka9p From carl at n8vz.com Wed Oct 21 11:00:38 2015 From: carl at n8vz.com (=?utf-8?Q?Carl_J=C3=B3n_Denbow?=) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:00:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A < TT Jupiter on Broadcast Band In-Reply-To: <4EEFBF42-1E9F-4A73-AFB1-69B6A9A15E81@gmail.com> References: <5626C1F5.1020204@n8vz.com> <0E327D9B-8156-440F-9538-C33479D740EB@gmail.com> <4EEFBF42-1E9F-4A73-AFB1-69B6A9A15E81@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Frank. That's interesting because the shield is usually grounded. I guess this means I'm muting the Jupiter speaker when I connect the K3s because I'm grounding the floating Jupiter speaker circuit to the K3s ground. 73 de Carl, N8VZ Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 21, 2015, at 6:29 AM, "kg9hfrank at gmail.com" wrote: > > > Carl, see Jupiter manual, text on I-1 > Ungrounded speaker, speakers terminals balanced load. > Frank, KG9H > > >> On Oct 21, 2015, at 12:39 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: >> >> There is a high pass filter in the K3 to protect the t/r switch. It is in the circuit to the main antenna input. To listen to the bc band you should use the rx antenna input which is after the h/p filter. >> >> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO >> Sent from my phone >> >>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 1:36, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: >>> >>> I recently installed a KBPF3A in the sub receiver. I've been surprised to discover on direct A/B comparisons using the same antenna that my old TT Jupiter is much more sensitive on the broadcast band. A station that comes in at S-6 on the Jupiter is maybe an S-2 on the K3s. This is very noticeable to the ear, as you might imagine. I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed that the KBPF3A is not exactly optimized for the broadcast band. >>> >>> Also, I have another issue related to the Jupiter and the K3s. I tried to install my new SP3 so that I could switch between using it with the K3s and the Jupiter with the front switch. However, when I hook the K3s to the SP3 when the Jupiter is connected, it immediately mutes the speaker. I can then switch to the K3s connection, and it's working fine. Switch to the Jupiter and it's muted, unless I physically disconnect the K3s in the back of the SP3. I've looked at the rather simple schematic of the SP3, and I can't figure out why this is happening. It appears to me that something must be shorting ring and sleeve in the K3s, but I can't exactly figure out how his can be happening. Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Carl >>> -- >>> ================================================= >>> Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ >>> 17 Coventry Lane >>> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 >>> >>> carl at n8vz.com >>> www.n8vz.com >>> EM89wh >>> >>> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 >>> >>> PSK and JT65 Forever! >>> ================================================= >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kg9hfrank at gmail.com > From w4grj at satterfield.org Wed Oct 21 11:11:22 2015 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (W4GRJ) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:11:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 troubles In-Reply-To: References: <1445257228170-7609284.post@n2.nabble.com> <1445356697670-7609332.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <000601d10c12$b21aa3d0$164feb70$@org> It has been sent to Elecraft.will advise results when I get it back SN 1767 From: mcduffie [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+s365791n7609384h18 at n2.nabble.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 10:05 AM To: W4GRJ Subject: Re: KPA500 troubles On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 08:58:17 -0700 (MST), ok1rp wrote: > if your KPA500 has LPF board rev. D or earlier then You will need to make > LPF TR Switch Rework REV5 modification, Elecraft parts kit: E850607. But > maybe there is another issue in your case. Apparently, I missed the OP on this. What is it about? What vintage amp (SN?), and what does this modification do? Gary AG0N ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] _____ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-troubles-tp7609284p7609384.html To unsubscribe from KPA500 troubles, click here . NAML -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-troubles-tp7609284p7609391.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w6sx at arrl.net Wed Oct 21 11:57:17 2015 From: w6sx at arrl.net (Hank Garretson) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 08:57:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SS In-Reply-To: References: <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <3A5E5C8D-39CF-4269-9849-F717FBA9A2E4@portcredit.net> Message-ID: N4ZR reminds me that QSO Recorder has been recently updated to allow continuous recording which would satisfy CQWW rules. The each-QSO mode suggested below would not satisfy CQWW rules. Contest Exuberantly, Hank, W6SX On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Hank Garretson wrote: > QSO Recorder does not meet the letter of CQWW rules: > > *C. Audio Recordings:* Any single operator entrant (see V.A.1) competing >> for a top three finish at the (a) World, (b) Continent, or (c) USA levels, >> must record the transmitted and received audio as heard by the operator for >> the duration of the contest operation. >> > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Mike va3mw wrote: > >> Use N1MM+ which is free to do your logging and QSORDER which is also >> free. Both these run on your PC. >> >> Many have done it for years like this. Each qso is logged as a separate >> audio file and it works wonderfully. >> >> I've done it from my remote base logging the audio locally for the past 4 >> or 5 years. >> >> Mike va3mw >> > > From jbollit at outlook.com Wed Oct 21 12:16:01 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:16:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: References: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> Message-ID: In today's age, a simple "My Bad", while slapping your chest, absolves anything from an erroneous product review to murder one. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Stealey Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 11:36 AM To: Wayne Burdick; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot I spotted the "anomoly" immediately in the composit noise chart.Really weird, how there was a crossover. I even re-read the text to see if they pointed it out. Nope.There is even an article in the issue by the publisher about the quality process they go through to assure accuracy in product reviews. Wayne, Elecraft deserves not just a reprint of the corrected chart, they should reprint the entire product review. Rick K2XT ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From rtavan at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 12:16:30 2015 From: rtavan at gmail.com (Rick Tavan N6XI) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:16:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote shutdown of K3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK, sounds like you're off and running on your quest to get remote control. Your recent reply suggests you have questions about other aspects of remote control than just K3 power control. Here's what I do; there are dozens of other options: I use a remote power switch (webpowerswitch.com) to control ham shack devices. It presents a Web page for access - very nice. Stuff I often control, like the rotor controller and the DC PS, are accessible to a normal log-in ID on the switch. I also set up an admin ID which has sole access to stuff that I usually leave turned on - a local computer, the modem and the router. I occasionally (very rarely) need to power cycle those devices but I don't want them turned hard off accidentally because then I can't get back in via the Internet. (Learned that by experience. Fortunately, I found a neighbor who was willing to go in to the house and restart it all!) I have two band decoders, one for each rig when I'm local and operating SO2R. When operating remote, however, only Rig A is accessible. I move the Rig B decoder over in parallel with the Rig A decoder, giving me a choice of two different amps. I also have a remotely controlled DC relay board (Velleman K8090) that controls power to band decoders and switches band segments on my 80M rotary dipole. I have some other chores in mind for the remaining four relays. That board is controlled by a program that must run locally, so I access it via Chrome Remote Desktop to the local, always-on computer. My antenna switching is via band decoders driven by the ACC connector band data lines. The decoders drive a Six Pak antenna relay box through a diode matrix that lets me use various multi-band antennas. The decoders also drive bandpass filters but those are irrelevant when I operate remotely because I'm SO1R in that case. The local, always-on computer is a $200 surplus Dell OptiPlex runnning Win XP that almost never fails, hardware or software, and self-reboots when powered up after a power failure. It also supports the server sides of KPA500 Remote, KAT500 Remote and PstRotatorAz. I run the corresponding client sides on a computer at the control site. The Alpha 87A control program has no client-server support, so I access it, like the DC relay board, directly via Remote Desktop. (There is a third-party client-server control app for the 87A but I haven't made it work yet.) Lots of options - it's a challenging but rewarding exercise in system integration. GL & 73, /Rick N6XI On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Bert Rollen wrote: > Thanks, Rick, > > > > It looks like I have several easy solutions for orderly shutdown of the > K3, the easiest by the remote K3/mini. I am becoming aware of some options > that will help on the power supply, as well as remote antenna disconnect > also. > > > > Now, if I can just find time to get it all done! > > > > 73, > > > > Bert ? K4AR > > > > *From:* Rick Tavan N6XI [mailto:rtavan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2015 7:53 PM > *To:* Bert Rollen > *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Remote shutdown of K3? > > > > There is a line on the ACC connector that, when toggled, controls power > on/off. The RemoteRig interface boxes manage it transparently; you just tap > the power button on the control K3 or K3/0 and the remote K3 turns on or > off. You can also DIY with homebrew interfaces. > > > > 73, > > > > /Rick N6XI > > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Bert Rollen wrote: > > So, how does one remotely start up and shut down a K3 (and the rest of the > station?) > > > > Bert > > > > > > > < > https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=116628572&authType=name&authToken= > cHsm&locale=en_US&pvs=pp&trk=ppro_viewmore> Bert Rollen, PMP > > rollen at comcast.net > > 865-599-6074 > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > > Rick Tavan N6XI > Truckee, CA > -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA From jbollit at outlook.com Wed Oct 21 12:30:07 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:30:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: References: , <56269F2C.5030305@nycap.rr.com> <5626A478.1000009@gmail.com>, <6545DD28-FAB7-408E-A828-451084D98082@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: We live in a digital age, why not provide (on the arrl.org site) the absolute data in a "standardized" table that can be analyzed with common database or spreadsheet programs? We are currently relegated to estimating what a 1.75 inch by 1.5 inch size graph shows, with the width of the line appearing to be approx. 3dB!!! It is the 90's after all................... Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Stealey Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:33 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot > That would give a clear view of whether this transmitter was just barely good enough or among the best. > > wunder > K6WRU The link to new data that Wayne sent showed a VERY beautiful, detailed readout from their test gear. Not that crude, little (what looks like) hand drawn chart that you need a magnifying glass to see, and which you have to interpolate to try to get meaningful info from. No wonder they fouled up the report. Rick K2XT ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From g1mhu at hotmail.com Wed Oct 21 12:48:21 2015 From: g1mhu at hotmail.com (Robin Moseley) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:48:21 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote shutdown of K3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use a pair of Wimo USB mains switches, one to turn on the PSU, this then draws current - this then powers up all the devices plugged into the energy saving power strip (one with a master socket that switches power on to the other devices) The second Wimo switch is wired to a mains powered relay, the terminals of which are wired to the power switch of a PC, so I can remotely power on the PC or shut it down. or force a reboot if it ever locks up. I shut down my K3 with the PS0 command, I added this as a command macro, then assigned this to a button in Ham Radio Deluxe. I power up the K3 using a small cheap 2 relay usb device from ebay that is wired across 2 pins on the 15 way D connector at the back of the K3. and a small batch file that I have mapped to an icon on my PC desktop.. I just click on the icon and the rig powers up. If you need any more info.. then reply to this email.. Robin G1MHU (Ham Radio Deluxe UK/EU Technical support guy) -----Original Message----- From: Rick Tavan N6XI Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 5:16 PM To: Bert Rollen Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remote shutdown of K3? OK, sounds like you're off and running on your quest to get remote control. Your recent reply suggests you have questions about other aspects of remote control than just K3 power control. Here's what I do; there are dozens of other options: I use a remote power switch (webpowerswitch.com) to control ham shack devices. It presents a Web page for access - very nice. Stuff I often control, like the rotor controller and the DC PS, are accessible to a normal log-in ID on the switch. I also set up an admin ID which has sole access to stuff that I usually leave turned on - a local computer, the modem and the router. I occasionally (very rarely) need to power cycle those devices but I don't want them turned hard off accidentally because then I can't get back in via the Internet. (Learned that by experience. Fortunately, I found a neighbor who was willing to go in to the house and restart it all!) I have two band decoders, one for each rig when I'm local and operating SO2R. When operating remote, however, only Rig A is accessible. I move the Rig B decoder over in parallel with the Rig A decoder, giving me a choice of two different amps. I also have a remotely controlled DC relay board (Velleman K8090) that controls power to band decoders and switches band segments on my 80M rotary dipole. I have some other chores in mind for the remaining four relays. That board is controlled by a program that must run locally, so I access it via Chrome Remote Desktop to the local, always-on computer. My antenna switching is via band decoders driven by the ACC connector band data lines. The decoders drive a Six Pak antenna relay box through a diode matrix that lets me use various multi-band antennas. The decoders also drive bandpass filters but those are irrelevant when I operate remotely because I'm SO1R in that case. The local, always-on computer is a $200 surplus Dell OptiPlex runnning Win XP that almost never fails, hardware or software, and self-reboots when powered up after a power failure. It also supports the server sides of KPA500 Remote, KAT500 Remote and PstRotatorAz. I run the corresponding client sides on a computer at the control site. The Alpha 87A control program has no client-server support, so I access it, like the DC relay board, directly via Remote Desktop. (There is a third-party client-server control app for the 87A but I haven't made it work yet.) Lots of options - it's a challenging but rewarding exercise in system integration. GL & 73, /Rick N6XI On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Bert Rollen wrote: > Thanks, Rick, > > > > It looks like I have several easy solutions for orderly shutdown of the > K3, the easiest by the remote K3/mini. I am becoming aware of some > options > that will help on the power supply, as well as remote antenna disconnect > also. > > > > Now, if I can just find time to get it all done! > > > > 73, > > > > Bert ? K4AR > > > > *From:* Rick Tavan N6XI [mailto:rtavan at gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2015 7:53 PM > *To:* Bert Rollen > *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Remote shutdown of K3? > > > > There is a line on the ACC connector that, when toggled, controls power > on/off. The RemoteRig interface boxes manage it transparently; you just > tap > the power button on the control K3 or K3/0 and the remote K3 turns on or > off. You can also DIY with homebrew interfaces. > > > > 73, > > > > /Rick N6XI > > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Bert Rollen wrote: > > So, how does one remotely start up and shut down a K3 (and the rest of the > station?) > > > > Bert > > > > > > > < > https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=116628572&authType=name&authToken= > cHsm&locale=en_US&pvs=pp&trk=ppro_viewmore> Bert Rollen, PMP > > rollen at comcast.net > > 865-599-6074 > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > > Rick Tavan N6XI > Truckee, CA > -- Rick Tavan N6XI Truckee, CA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to g1mhu at hotmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Oct 21 12:55:54 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:55:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: References: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5627C39A.3090601@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,10/21/2015 9:16 AM, jim wrote: > In today's age, a simple "My Bad", while slapping your chest, absolves > anything from an erroneous product review to murder one. Someone at ARRL simply made a mistake. We all make mistakes -- he who does nothing does nothing wrong. I saw an email from the responsible party at ARRL acknowledging his mistake, apologizing for it, and providing the corrected data. 73, Jim K9YC From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Oct 21 13:01:52 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:01:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: <5627C39A.3090601@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> <5627C39A.3090601@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <678CBBDC-5653-4966-9DA8-6866AEF5D7C7@elecraft.com> We also bear some responsibility, since the review was sent to us before publication. The Elecraft CSI team is still trying to figure out how we missed this one. Wayne N6KR On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Wed,10/21/2015 9:16 AM, jim wrote: >> In today's age, a simple "My Bad", while slapping your chest, absolves >> anything from an erroneous product review to murder one. > > Someone at ARRL simply made a mistake. We all make mistakes -- he who does nothing does nothing wrong. I saw an email from the responsible party at ARRL acknowledging his mistake, apologizing for it, and providing the corrected data. > > 73, Jim K9YC From jackbrindle at me.com Wed Oct 21 13:01:51 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:01:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC-2 and 6m In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <378493BD-A6A8-4344-9EA7-43514B1F1947@me.com> You probably need to set the K3 to output the right selection to the KRC2. Check the K3 manual for the KRC2 menu entry - in the rev D10 manual it was on page 57. Essentially, select the KRC2 entry in the K3 configuration menu, then tap the 1 button on the K3. You want it to show BAND6=B6 for it to work properly. Your next question will be which KRC2 terminal is selected when this is set properly. For the standard (factory default) bandmap it will be the XV1 terminal. Of course you can remap it as you desire with the KRC2 Utility. 73, Jack Brindle, W6FB > On Oct 20, 2015, at 7:00 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > > How do you get an output for 6m from the KRC-2? > > 73 > > jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From eric at elecraft.com Wed Oct 21 13:14:47 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:14:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: <678CBBDC-5653-4966-9DA8-6866AEF5D7C7@elecraft.com> References: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> <5627C39A.3090601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <678CBBDC-5653-4966-9DA8-6866AEF5D7C7@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <2F38A529-B309-4A6A-B8E7-39B338F56AC1@elecraft.com> And with that, lets end the thread. 73, Eric Moderator, from time to time.. elecraft.com _..._ > On Oct 21, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > We also bear some responsibility, since the review was sent to us before publication. The Elecraft CSI team is still trying to figure out how we missed this one. > > Wayne > N6KR > > >> On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >>> On Wed,10/21/2015 9:16 AM, jim wrote: >>> In today's age, a simple "My Bad", while slapping your chest, absolves >>> anything from an erroneous product review to murder one. >> >> Someone at ARRL simply made a mistake. We all make mistakes -- he who does nothing does nothing wrong. I saw an email from the responsible party at ARRL acknowledging his mistake, apologizing for it, and providing the corrected data. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 13:15:29 2015 From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 13:15:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working Message-ID: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> I purchased a used KRC2 band decoder. Going through the tests in the manual, it works with the buttons on the KRC2, but I can not get the unit to communicate with my computer. I downloaded the software from Elecraft, using Windows 7 or 10 and real serial ports (not usb-serial). What am I doing wrong? or is the unit bad? I have not hooked up the auxbuss to the K3 yet, wanted to make sure the bandmap and serial port work first. Gordon -- N1MGO -- Gordon - N1MGO From john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com Wed Oct 21 14:04:35 2015 From: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com (John K9UWA) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:04:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working In-Reply-To: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> References: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5627D3B3.16392.3CB912@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> ATTENTION: Eric Elecraft has for several years been saying they were going to rewrite the horrible KRC2 Utility Program that allows programming of the KRC2. And so far they have failed to do so. Way back when about 4 years ago I did manage ONCE to get the KRC2 Utility program to work and programmed my KRC2. Yes today I would love to reprogram it to allow connection to a SIX meter antenna. However as you say the program won't work. I tried on Computer running XP and one running Windows7 both with direct real Serial Port connection to the KRC2. No Luck for me. Eric many of us K3 users are using the KRC2 for band decoder to antenna switching it sure would be nice if we could program the KRC2 easily to do what we want. Thanks John k9uwa > I purchased a used KRC2 band decoder. Going through the tests in the > manual, it works with the buttons on the KRC2, but I can not get the > unit to communicate with my computer. I downloaded the software from > Elecraft, using Windows 7 or 10 and real serial ports (not usb-serial). > What am I doing wrong? or is the unit bad? I have not hooked up the > auxbuss to the K3 yet, wanted to make sure the bandmap and serial port > work first. > > Gordon -- N1MGO John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF Antique Radio Restorations k9uwa at arrl.net Visit our Web Site at: http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com 4836 Ranch Road Leo, IN 46765 USA 1-260-637-6426 From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 14:25:25 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 21:25:25 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working In-Reply-To: <5627D3B3.16392.3CB912@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> References: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> <5627D3B3.16392.3CB912@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> Message-ID: I got mine to work several years ago on Win 7. As I recall, I had to update both the firmware in the KRC2 and the utility program. It was tricky. I agree that Elecraft needs to clean up this situation. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On 21 Oct 2015, at 9:04 PM, John K9UWA wrote: > > ATTENTION: Eric > > Elecraft has for several years been saying they were going to rewrite the > horrible KRC2 Utility Program that allows programming of the KRC2. And so > far they have failed to do so. Way back when about 4 years ago I did > manage ONCE to get the KRC2 Utility program to work and programmed > my KRC2. Yes today I would love to reprogram it to allow connection to a > SIX meter antenna. However as you say the program won't work. I tried on > Computer running XP and one running Windows7 both with direct real Serial > Port connection to the KRC2. No Luck for me. > > Eric many of us K3 users are using the KRC2 for band decoder to antenna > switching it sure would be nice if we could program the KRC2 easily to do > what we want. > > Thanks > John k9uwa > > >> I purchased a used KRC2 band decoder. Going through the tests in the >> manual, it works with the buttons on the KRC2, but I can not get the >> unit to communicate with my computer. I downloaded the software from >> Elecraft, using Windows 7 or 10 and real serial ports (not usb-serial). >> What am I doing wrong? or is the unit bad? I have not hooked up the >> auxbuss to the K3 yet, wanted to make sure the bandmap and serial port >> work first. >> >> Gordon -- N1MGO > > > John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF > Antique Radio Restorations > k9uwa at arrl.net > Visit our Web Site at: > http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com > 4836 Ranch Road > Leo, IN 46765 > USA > 1-260-637-6426 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From ve3iay at storm.ca Wed Oct 21 14:58:38 2015 From: ve3iay at storm.ca (Richard Ferch) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:58:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s on rtty Message-ID: <5627E05E.1020902@storm.ca> You cannot use the same serial port for CAT (rig) control and FSK keying. The reason has nothing to do with COM port sharing between parallel rig control applications, which is the issue LP-Bridge solves. The fundamental issue is that FSK keying and CAT control use the RS-232 signal lines in incompatible ways. You must use a different serial port for FSK keying than the one you use for CAT control, and no port-sharing method (LP-Bridge, com0com, VSPE) can change this. LP-Bridge will allow you to use two rig control programs in parallel, but it will not allow you to use one serial port in two fundamentally incompatible ways. For FSK keying you need a one-transistor switching interface between the RS-232 voltage levels (plus and minus 12V) on the COM port you are using for FSK and the FSK keying input (pin 1) on the K3's ACC connector. If you don't already have an FSK keying circuit, it would be easier to use AFSK with MMTTY. From the operator's point of view, AFSK A on the K3 is almost indistinguishable from FSK D. The K3's transmitted signals using AFSK are just as clean as its FSK. In fact, until relatively recently the K3's AFSK was cleaner than its FSK. And with AFSK, no special keying circuit is necessary. Indeed, if you are using the K3S's USB port for rig control, I believe no new cables are needed at all. Just tell MMTTY to use the sound card inside the K3S. If you were using a SignaLink before, that was AFSK. You do not need the SignaLink with the K3S, because everything it does is already provided for inside the K3S, but apart from changing the sound card MMTTY uses, there should be little difference between using the SignaLink and using the K3S's internal sound card. 73, Rich VE3KI K4KAY wrote: > From Earl, K4KAY. I now have lp-bridge running and cat control is working > fine. I have to give credit to my friend Richard, K4KRW for his help. > > > > I am now trying to get MMTTY going and reading other posts about using > transistor to invert the signal etc, to do FSK. I have done this with > > Other rigs but also remember others saying I no longer need the signal link. > Which rtty program would be simpler. I already have MMTTY on > > My computer and not successful on my first try. I assume I would use the > lp-bridge to get it on the K3s but when I assign the comport on the > > Lp-bridge MMTTY tells me I have no comport. > > > > I am open for suggestions. I prefer MMTTY but can go another route if > simpler and I want to stay with FSK with my K3s and P3 panadapter with the > VGS option. > > > > Regards, > > Earl, K4KAY From efortner at ctc.net Wed Oct 21 15:42:54 2015 From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:42:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s on rtty In-Reply-To: <5627E05E.1020902@storm.ca> References: <5627E05E.1020902@storm.ca> Message-ID: <000001d10c38$adfcc1e0$09f645a0$@net> Rich, Thanks for the explanation. I sure thought I could get FSK keying with the LP-Bridge but I understand what you are saying. I was using USB SignaLink with a modification to a FSKit circuit published in QST a few years back for FSK keying of my Icom Pro III and it worked well. I have used AFSK before but Still prefer FSK so I guess it's back to getting it all set up again. 73, Earl, K4KAY -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Ferch Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:59 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s on rtty You cannot use the same serial port for CAT (rig) control and FSK keying. The reason has nothing to do with COM port sharing between parallel rig control applications, which is the issue LP-Bridge solves. The fundamental issue is that FSK keying and CAT control use the RS-232 signal lines in incompatible ways. You must use a different serial port for FSK keying than the one you use for CAT control, and no port-sharing method (LP-Bridge, com0com, VSPE) can change this. LP-Bridge will allow you to use two rig control programs in parallel, but it will not allow you to use one serial port in two fundamentally incompatible ways. For FSK keying you need a one-transistor switching interface between the RS-232 voltage levels (plus and minus 12V) on the COM port you are using for FSK and the FSK keying input (pin 1) on the K3's ACC connector. If you don't already have an FSK keying circuit, it would be easier to use AFSK with MMTTY. From the operator's point of view, AFSK A on the K3 is almost indistinguishable from FSK D. The K3's transmitted signals using AFSK are just as clean as its FSK. In fact, until relatively recently the K3's AFSK was cleaner than its FSK. And with AFSK, no special keying circuit is necessary. Indeed, if you are using the K3S's USB port for rig control, I believe no new cables are needed at all. Just tell MMTTY to use the sound card inside the K3S. If you were using a SignaLink before, that was AFSK. You do not need the SignaLink with the K3S, because everything it does is already provided for inside the K3S, but apart from changing the sound card MMTTY uses, there should be little difference between using the SignaLink and using the K3S's internal sound card. 73, Rich VE3KI K4KAY wrote: > From Earl, K4KAY. I now have lp-bridge running and cat control is working > fine. I have to give credit to my friend Richard, K4KRW for his help. > > > > I am now trying to get MMTTY going and reading other posts about using > transistor to invert the signal etc, to do FSK. I have done this with > > Other rigs but also remember others saying I no longer need the signal link. > Which rtty program would be simpler. I already have MMTTY on > > My computer and not successful on my first try. I assume I would use the > lp-bridge to get it on the K3s but when I assign the comport on the > > Lp-bridge MMTTY tells me I have no comport. > > > > I am open for suggestions. I prefer MMTTY but can go another route if > simpler and I want to stay with FSK with my K3s and P3 panadapter with the > VGS option. > > > > Regards, > > Earl, K4KAY ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to efortner at ctc.net From netcrusher88 at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 15:45:55 2015 From: netcrusher88 at gmail.com (Amy Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 12:45:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Python tool for QRPworks HCT/SideKar ADIF dumps Message-ID: I bought a SideKar from QRPworks mostly for the mobile logging, but also to have a mobile psk31 terminal that's nice to work with. As soon as I received it this week I decided it needed a python client so those of us who (mostly) don't use Windows could work with it. After a couple of questions answered by QRPworks (thanks, Shel!) and a few typos, I've produced some functioning code: https://github.com/keisisqrl/pyHCT If you want to add more functionality or fix some bugs, pull requests are *always* welcome. 73, Amy K3ISI From wes at triconet.org Wed Oct 21 17:18:54 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:18:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] CM 500 setings In-Reply-To: <69a2f.56c3fe1.4358fee5@aol.com> References: <69a2f.56c3fe1.4358fee5@aol.com> Message-ID: <5628013E.8020306@triconet.org> Hi Scott, I have VOX Gain = 12, Anti-VOX = 13 and Mic Gain = 10 Regrettably, mic gain affects VOX gain. This should not be and I had the impression that this fault was to be addressed, but it hasn't been AFAIK. So set your mic gain to what works for you before proceeding. Hope this helps. Wes On 10/21/2015 7:44 AM, Scott via Elecraft wrote: > HI, > > I'm setting up the CM 500 headset with a new to me K3 for the first time, > and having a hard time getting the anti-vox and vox gain balanced for > reliable trip without tripping every time I touch the headset or cable. > > Can anyone recommend a good starting point for this? > > Thanks, Scott ka9p > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes at triconet.org > From k6ll.dave at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 17:23:08 2015 From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:23:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] CM 500 setings In-Reply-To: <5628013E.8020306@triconet.org> References: <69a2f.56c3fe1.4358fee5@aol.com> <5628013E.8020306@triconet.org> Message-ID: If you are using a headset, rather than a loudspeaker, you can set antivox = 000. Mine has been sitting at zero for years. I never even looked at it before today. I never use a speaker. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: Wes (N7WS) Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:18 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CM 500 setings Hi Scott, I have VOX Gain = 12, Anti-VOX = 13 and Mic Gain = 10 Regrettably, mic gain affects VOX gain. This should not be and I had the impression that this fault was to be addressed, but it hasn't been AFAIK. So set your mic gain to what works for you before proceeding. Hope this helps. Wes On 10/21/2015 7:44 AM, Scott via Elecraft wrote: > HI, > I'm setting up the CM 500 headset with a new to me K3 for the > first time, > and having a hard time getting the anti-vox and vox gain > balanced for > reliable trip without tripping every time I touch the headset > or cable. > Can anyone recommend a good starting point for this? > Thanks, Scott ka9p > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes at triconet.org > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6ll.dave at gmail.com From wes at triconet.org Wed Oct 21 17:25:50 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:25:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working In-Reply-To: <5627D3B3.16392.3CB912@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> References: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> <5627D3B3.16392.3CB912@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> Message-ID: <562802DE.3050303@triconet.org> Amen. Mine sits on the shelf. I was going to remotely switch some antennas using it. Instead, I have a KAT500 and three runs of Heliax. Although it has an RS-232 port Elecraft recommends the Aux bus. Just what I need another Y-connector. On 10/21/2015 11:04 AM, John K9UWA wrote: > ATTENTION: Eric > > Elecraft has for several years been saying they were going to rewrite the > horrible KRC2 Utility Program that allows programming of the KRC2. And so > far they have failed to do so. Way back when about 4 years ago I did > manage ONCE to get the KRC2 Utility program to work and programmed > my KRC2. Yes today I would love to reprogram it to allow connection to a > SIX meter antenna. However as you say the program won't work. I tried on > Computer running XP and one running Windows7 both with direct real Serial > Port connection to the KRC2. No Luck for me. > > Eric many of us K3 users are using the KRC2 for band decoder to antenna > switching it sure would be nice if we could program the KRC2 easily to do > what we want. > > Thanks > John k9uwa > > >> I purchased a used KRC2 band decoder. Going through the tests in the >> manual, it works with the buttons on the KRC2, but I can not get the >> unit to communicate with my computer. I downloaded the software from >> Elecraft, using Windows 7 or 10 and real serial ports (not usb-serial). >> What am I doing wrong? or is the unit bad? I have not hooked up the >> auxbuss to the K3 yet, wanted to make sure the bandmap and serial port >> work first. >> >> Gordon -- N1MGO > > John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF > Antique Radio Restorations > k9uwa at arrl.net > Visit our Web Site at: > http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com > 4836 Ranch Road > Leo, IN 46765 > USA > 1-260-637-6426 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes at triconet.org > From roger at monitorsensors.com Wed Oct 21 18:04:39 2015 From: roger at monitorsensors.com (Roger Crofts) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:04:39 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? Message-ID: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> I love my KX3 and its little paddle. Unfortunately my keying is full of mistakes. When I send the letter C for example, it often comes out as CT or K. I thought the KX3 must be set to mode B keying, but no, it was on mode A. I originally learnt to send on an ETM-3b squeeze keyer many moons ago. The ETM-3b is a mode A keyer. I tried plugging a Bencher paddle into the KX3 but the problem remained, so the paddle is not the problem. Is the mode A, that I am used to, somehow different to the mode A in the KX3? Roger, VK4YB From etw1 at suddenlink.net Wed Oct 21 18:24:00 2015 From: etw1 at suddenlink.net (Edmund T. Wright) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:24:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Recorded CW messages Message-ID: <56281080.3000300@suddenlink.net> I have recorded a CW morse message on my Elecraft K2. How do I erase it? Ed Wright AA6LZ From k.alexander at rogers.com Wed Oct 21 18:34:10 2015 From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:34:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> Message-ID: <1445466850.96429.YahooMailBasic@web142705.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> It sounds like you have a Mode A keyer and a Mode B hand Roger! There's a switch somewhere to change your hand back to Mode A. Hope you kept the manual!! :-) 73 - Ken VE3HLS -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 10/21/15, Roger Crofts wrote: Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? To: "elecraft reflector" Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2015, 6:04 PM I love my KX3 and its little paddle. Unfortunately my keying is full of mistakes. When I send the letter C for example, it often comes out as CT or K. I thought the KX3 must be set to mode B keying, but no, it was on mode A. I originally learnt to send on an ETM-3b squeeze keyer many moons ago. The ETM-3b is a mode A keyer. I tried plugging a Bencher paddle into the KX3 but the problem remained, so the paddle is not the problem. Is the mode A, that I am used to, somehow different to the mode A in the KX3? Roger, VK4YB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k.alexander at rogers.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Oct 21 18:34:29 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:34:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> References: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> Message-ID: <562812F5.3020009@foothill.net> I don't have a KX3 but I do have a KX1, K2, K3, and a Winkey, and all of them are set for Iambic A and they all work like they are. Anything I send on Iambic B comes out encrypted. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 10/21/2015 3:04 PM, Roger Crofts wrote: > I love my KX3 and its little paddle. Unfortunately my keying is full > of mistakes. When I send the letter C for example, it often comes out > as CT or K. I thought the KX3 must be set to mode B keying, but no, > it was on mode A. I originally learnt to send on an ETM-3b squeeze > keyer many moons ago. The ETM-3b is a mode A keyer. I tried plugging > a Bencher paddle into the KX3 but the problem remained, so the paddle > is not the problem. Is the mode A, that I am used to, somehow > different to the mode A in the KX3? > > Roger, VK4YB From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Oct 21 18:35:57 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:35:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CM 500 setings In-Reply-To: <69a2f.56c3fe1.4358fee5@aol.com> References: <69a2f.56c3fe1.4358fee5@aol.com> Message-ID: <5628134D.5060909@blomand.net> I'd start with the anti-VOX value at 0. Then speaking normally with the headset boom about 1" to 2" from your mouth, advance the VOX Gain until you get reliable keying. Then advance the anti-VOX gain to about 10. The purpose of the anti-VOX circuit is to prevent the received audio coming from the speaker or the headphones from tripping the VOX. Since you are using a headset, there is very little signal getting from the headphones to the mike. To adjust the VOX delay or hang time, it is set with the DELAY {see page 14} Also see page 31 and 56 of the manual. Too high of anti-VOX level typically will cause false action of the VOX circuit. The objective is to run both the VOX gain and anti-VOX values as low as practical yet maintain reliable keying. Also make sure the DELAY is not too short that causes the VOX to un-key during syllables or between words or phrases. Adjustment is a simple process if you start from the beginning. Also, the mike-to-mouth position must be the identical place each time in order for the VOX to work reliably. If you change from listening with headphones to the speaker, either internal or external, the the anti-VOX value will require changing. This will then require the VOX Gain to be changed as well. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/21/2015 9:44 AM, Scott via Elecraft wrote: > HI, > > I'm setting up the CM 500 headset with a new to me K3 for the first time, > and having a hard time getting the anti-vox and vox gain balanced for > reliable trip without tripping every time I touch the headset or cable. > > Can anyone recommend a good starting point for this? > > Thanks, Scott ka9p From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Oct 21 18:42:21 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:42:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KBPF3A < TT Jupiter on Broadcast Band In-Reply-To: References: <5626C1F5.1020204@n8vz.com> <0E327D9B-8156-440F-9538-C33479D740EB@gmail.com> <4EEFBF42-1E9F-4A73-AFB1-69B6A9A15E81@gmail.com> Message-ID: <562814CD.1080109@blomand.net> Per the manual the 538 Jupiter uses a floating audio output circuit for the speaker. Therefore, one can not ground one side of the speaker line. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/21/2015 10:00 AM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: > Thanks, Frank. That's interesting because the shield is usually grounded. I guess this means I'm muting the Jupiter speaker when I connect the K3s because I'm grounding the floating Jupiter speaker circuit to the K3s ground. 73 de Carl, N8VZ > > Sent from my iPhone > >> >On Oct 21, 2015, at 6:29 AM,"kg9hfrank at gmail.com" wrote: >> > >> > >> >Carl, see Jupiter manual, text on I-1 >> >Ungrounded speaker, speakers terminals balanced load. >> >Frank, KG9H >> > >> > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Oct 21 18:44:10 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:44:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] QST Review of KSYN3A synth has erroneous TX phase noise plot In-Reply-To: <5627C39A.3090601@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <863902B0-8700-481F-9116-0DA815552699@elecraft.com> <5627C39A.3090601@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5628153A.6030504@blomand.net> I'm always reluctant to submit an item for publication. Even after many reviews, by myself and others, there's likely to be errors found. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/21/2015 11:55 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Wed,10/21/2015 9:16 AM, jim wrote: >> In today's age, a simple "My Bad", while slapping your chest, absolves >> anything from an erroneous product review to murder one. > > Someone at ARRL simply made a mistake. We all make mistakes -- he who > does nothing does nothing wrong. I saw an email from the responsible > party at ARRL acknowledging his mistake, apologizing for it, and > providing the corrected data. > > 73, Jim K9YC From wes at triconet.org Wed Oct 21 19:00:43 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:00:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] CM 500 setings In-Reply-To: References: <69a2f.56c3fe1.4358fee5@aol.com> <5628013E.8020306@triconet.org> Message-ID: <5628191B.2050300@triconet.org> I always use a headset but sometimes use both the headphones and speaker if a guest is in the shack and needs to hear the other station. Hence the need for anti-vox even with a headset. Gad, just realized there is not hand or stand mic in the shack and no way to use PTT. On 10/21/2015 2:23 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote: > If you are using a headset, rather than a loudspeaker, you can set antivox = 000. > > Mine has been sitting at zero for years. I never even looked at it before > today. I never use a speaker. > > > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL > Yuma, AZ > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Oct 21 19:01:52 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 19:01:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Received Signal Drops When Roofing Filter Switched In In-Reply-To: <1445390447606-7609366.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445390447606-7609366.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <56281960.3060605@embarqmail.com> Clark, You can adjust the gain of the 400 Hz filter in the filter menu. If I recall somewhere between 3 and 6 dB is recommended for the 400 Hz filter. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/20/2015 9:20 PM, engineercm wrote: > Gents, > > I wasn't sure how to even search for a question similar to mine, so if this > a duplicate, please forgive me. > Have a K3 with the 400 Hz 8-pole filter. With the band conditions being so > poor, I've been experimenting with different settings of DSP on weak > signals. I've also been experimenting with NR on weak signals. > > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Oct 21 19:11:22 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 19:11:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working In-Reply-To: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> References: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56281B9A.5050705@embarqmail.com> Gordon, Have you checked the internal jumpers to be sure it is properly plugged for use with the K3. Download the newest KRC2 manual if the one you have does not include use with the K3 - see page 23. You have the choice of using the AUXBUS (if you only want the band data). If you are using the serial port, the baud rate on the K3 and the PC application must be limited to 19,200 or below. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/21/2015 1:15 PM, Gordon LaPoint wrote: > I purchased a used KRC2 band decoder. Going through the tests in the > manual, it works with the buttons on the KRC2, but I can not get the > unit to communicate with my computer. I downloaded the software from > Elecraft, using Windows 7 or 10 and real serial ports (not > usb-serial). What am I doing wrong? or is the unit bad? I have not > hooked up the auxbuss to the K3 yet, wanted to make sure the bandmap > and serial port work first. > > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Oct 21 19:19:25 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:19:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CM 500 setings In-Reply-To: <5628191B.2050300@triconet.org> References: <69a2f.56c3fe1.4358fee5@aol.com> <5628013E.8020306@triconet.org> <5628191B.2050300@triconet.org> Message-ID: <56281D7D.6040806@blomand.net> Sure there is an available PTT ........ just push XMIT on the radio. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/21/2015 6:00 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > I always use a headset but sometimes use both the headphones and > speaker if a guest is in the shack and needs to hear the other > station. Hence the need for anti-vox even with a headset. > > Gad, just realized there is not hand or stand mic in the shack and no > way to use PTT. From sfbonk at aol.com Wed Oct 21 19:32:30 2015 From: sfbonk at aol.com (Sfbonk) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 19:32:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CM 500 setings In-Reply-To: <5628191B.2050300@triconet.org> Message-ID: <1508cbf2d47-7e83-3b10@webstg-m07.mail.aol.com> Another route is the PTT jack in the rear. Most often used with a foot switch, but any switch to ground will work. W3OU Steve -----Original Message----- From: Wes (N7WS) To: elecraft Sent: Wed, Oct 21, 2015 7:02 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CM 500 setings I always use a headset but sometimes use both the headphones and speaker if a guest is in the shack and needs to hear the other station. Hence the need for anti-vox even with a headset. Gad, just realized there is not hand or stand mic in the shack and no way to use PTT. On 10/21/2015 2:23 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote: > If you are using a headset, rather than a loudspeaker, you can set antivox = 000. > > Mine has been sitting at zero for years. I never even looked at it before > today. I never use a speaker. > > > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL > Yuma, AZ > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sfbonk at aol.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 19:58:57 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 19:58:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Corrected QST review of KSYN3A is on line. Message-ID: Digital Edition of November 2015 QST now has the new KSYN3A comparisons up. If you are using the QST iPhone app, you will need to reload your phone with November 2015. This is done by first doing a delete on November to purge it off the phone, then redoing the download. Presume that that Android app would need the same. 73, Guy K2AV From clark.macaulay at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 20:13:43 2015 From: clark.macaulay at gmail.com (engineercm) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:13:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Received Signal Drops When Roofing Filter Switched In In-Reply-To: <1445390447606-7609366.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445390447606-7609366.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1445472823266-7609423.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks to all that pointed me to the filter gain settings accessible with the Utility. It was set at 2 db which is the recommended value in the K3 manual. Now that I know where the parameter is, I'll experiment more with weak signals. The manual does not suggest going above 2 db claiming DSP operation would be impaired in some way. I've also concluded that the sharp drop in noise when the filter kicks in is to be expected. I found the same instantaneous drop in noise with the 200 Hz filter is engaged. Not at all annoying; I was just trying to understand this marvelous radio. I'm primarily a CW op and will leave the Rx Eq set at +2db around the sidetone frequencies and all others -10 or better. That seems to suit my ears and my current operating skill. 73 de Clark WU4B -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Received-Signal-Drops-When-Roofing-Filter-Switched-In-tp7609366p7609423.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mteberle at mchsi.com Wed Oct 21 20:48:25 2015 From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 19:48:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working In-Reply-To: <56281B9A.5050705@embarqmail.com> References: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> <56281B9A.5050705@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <56283259.7010604@mchsi.com> A lot of people seem to be having issues with it. I remember mine being a pain to get set up (mostly operator error) but it works fine now. I use it to switch amp keying from the KPA500 to the 2M amp when the 2M band is selected on the K3. When 2M is selected, the KRC2 energizes a relay that switches the key out of the K3 to the 2M amp. You do have to change the switch on the side from OP to DL before it will communicate with the computer. Also I believe you have to set the baud rate on the KRC2 with jumpers. Mike KI0HA >> I purchased a used KRC2 band decoder. Going through the tests in the >> manual, it works with the buttons on the KRC2, but I can not get the >> unit to communicate with my computer. I downloaded the software from >> Elecraft, using Windows 7 or 10 and real serial ports (not >> usb-serial). What am I doing wrong? or is the unit bad? I have not >> hooked up the auxbuss to the K3 yet, wanted to make sure the bandmap >> and serial port work first. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Oct 21 21:34:51 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:34:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working In-Reply-To: <56283259.7010604@mchsi.com> Message-ID: After reading about the problems people are having getting their PCs to talk to the KRC2, I think I'm glad I rolled my own with an Arduino and the band lines from the K3. I learned a lot about hardware, and had a fun construction project. Now antenna switch controller sits next to the K3 and automatically selects an antenna for each band. Too bad the encoding for the 60M band aliases the transverter bands. I may have to teach the Arduino async ASCII should the aliasing become a problem, or if I develop a need to know where in a band the K3 is tuned. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Concurrency is hard. 12 out | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From kk5f at earthlink.net Wed Oct 21 22:31:47 2015 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 22:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? Message-ID: <22203491.1445481108000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > Unfortunately my keying is full of mistakes. When I send the letter C > for example, it often comes out as CT or K. I thought the KX3 must be > set to mode B keying, but no, it was on mode A. What you report is completely contradictory. If C is the desired character: A Mode A operator using a Mode B keyer can easily end up sending -.-.- A Mode B operator using a Mode A keyer can easily end up sending -.- Mode B keyers end an iambic string with * a dash if the paddles are released during a dot, or * a dot if the paddles are released during a dash. Mode A keyers end an iambic string with: * the dash if the paddles are released during that dash, or * the dot if the paddles are released during that dot. Mode B keyers ALWAYS add a character element for which no paddle closure has taken place at the end of an iambic string. Mode A keyers NEVER add a character element unless there has been paddle closure for that element. Most find Mode B paddle timing to be more critical than Mode A, even though Mode B does NOT eliminate any paddle manipulation. I find Elecraft's implementation of Mode A to be excellent. Almost all Asian ham rig makers stupidly impose Mode B only. Several years ago I asked QST to report the iambic keying modes available on any rig being reviewed. Since then QST has been very good about including that information. Mike / KK5F (Mode A always!) From ed at w0yk.com Wed Oct 21 23:03:03 2015 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:03:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Corrected QST review of KSYN3A is on line. Message-ID: October, not November. 73, Ed W0YK On Oct 21, 2015 4:58 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > Digital Edition of November 2015 QST now has the new KSYN3A comparisons up. > > If you are using the QST iPhone app, you will need to reload your phone > with November 2015. This is done by first doing a delete on November to > purge it off the phone, then redoing the download. Presume that that > Android app would need the same. > > 73, Guy K2AV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ed at w0yk.com From ron at cobi.biz Wed Oct 21 22:58:26 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 19:58:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] How to use the PX3's noise blanker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01d10c75$86193180$924b9480$@biz> To clarify Wayne's comment, the NB is present *only* until you leave the MENU. Nb En is a "toggle": tap the knob to switch between NB Off and NB On. As he said, you will see no difference when no noise is present or if you have the Noise Blanker level set too high. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:29 AM To: John Fritze Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: How to use the PX3's noise blanker Hi John, When you turn the NB on, you should see an "NB" icon in the upper-right corner. The menu also has a setting for NB level, which you may need to adjust. In my case I've assigned both NB and NB level to FN switches so I can change the settings very quickly. With the NB turned on, you will observe one of three things in the PX3's displayed spectra: 1. No change (because any noise that's present is too low in amplitude to activate the blanker) 2. A reduction in "jumping" of the display (because the NB is having a beneficial effect on the noise) 3. An *increase* in "jumping" of the display (because the NB level is set too aggressively) Some experimentation with settings may be required. Note that the KX3 also has an NB function, with a similar level adjustment, but noise that affects the audible output of the KX3 may not affect the visual output of the PX3 and vice-versa. Thus they are independent settings. Wayne N6KR On Oct 1, 2014, at 5:34 AM, John Fritze wrote: > I am thoroughly impressed with my new PX3 but was wondering, when I go > into settings and activate the NB, nothing happens. Is it not implemented yet? > I am running the latest BETA firmware. > > -- > John Fritze Jr > K2QY > k2qy at arrl.net > ACACES president 2014 > Albany County RACES Radio Officer > ARES ENY DEC Northern District > Hudson Div. Asst. Director > Twitter: @k2qy > 401 261 4996 (cell) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n6kr at elecraft.com From n8pw at neo.rr.com Wed Oct 21 23:07:00 2015 From: n8pw at neo.rr.com (William H. Hannon) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 23:07:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Unable to Link VFO's in my K3 Message-ID: <562852D4.3030007@neo.rr.com> Brethren of the bands: I have a K3 with a sub receiver and when I try to link VFO's I go right to diversity mode. The sub receiver turns on and off but their is no stop with a mid push for linking. Also, when I hold long enough for "Diversity" mode, the sub receiver is NOT set to match VFO - A . What am I overlooking??? 73, Bill N8PW From fcady at montana.edu Wed Oct 21 23:26:01 2015 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 03:26:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Unable to Link VFO's in my K3 In-Reply-To: <562852D4.3030007@neo.rr.com> References: <562852D4.3030007@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, A sort-of recent firmware change removed the ability to link vfo by a half-long hold of SUB. That now puts you into diversity mode. To link the vfo's there is a new config menu item VFO LNK that you use to link the vfos (set to YES). Also, in diversity, VFO B is not set equal to VFO A. It remains independent and can be used for split operation when in diversity mode. What does happen is that the sub receiver is switched to VFO A and is then controlled by VFO A. Cheers and 73, Fred Author of: ?The Elecraft K3S and P3 ? Getting the Most out from Your High Performance Station?. "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Portable Elecraft KX3 ? Going for the Summit with the KX3 and KX3-2M/4M" ?The Elecraft KX-Line ? The Complete Station? ?The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 ? the K-Line Dream Station? Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com pdf formatted copies available at www.ke7x.com ?The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters ? Assembling the KX3-Line Station? printed copy available at www.lulu.com and pdf from www.ke7x.com. Plus a book dedicated to the K3S upgrades for the K3 and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book are works in progress. Free guides at ke7x.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of William H. Hannon Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 9:07 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Unable to Link VFO's in my K3 Brethren of the bands: I have a K3 with a sub receiver and when I try to link VFO's I go right to diversity mode. The sub receiver turns on and off but their is no stop with a mid push for linking. Also, when I hold long enough for "Diversity" mode, the sub receiver is NOT set to match VFO - A . What am I overlooking??? 73, Bill N8PW ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 23:35:21 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:35:21 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Unable to Link VFO's in my K3 In-Reply-To: References: <562852D4.3030007@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: <56285987.c283440a.6865c.2dd7@mx.google.com> It was better before the change for all those without the 2nd receiver and now there is confusion with those who do have it. Sometimes it may pay to ignore the few customers who congregate on here? Just sayin.......flame suit on Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Cady, Fred" Sent: ?22/?10/?2015 1:27 PM To: "William H. Hannon" ; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Unable to Link VFO's in my K3 Hi Bill, A sort-of recent firmware change removed the ability to link vfo by a half-long hold of SUB. That now puts you into diversity mode. To link the vfo's there is a new config menu item VFO LNK that you use to link the vfos (set to YES). Also, in diversity, VFO B is not set equal to VFO A. It remains independent and can be used for split operation when in diversity mode. What does happen is that the sub receiver is switched to VFO A and is then controlled by VFO A. Cheers and 73, Fred Author of: ?The Elecraft K3S and P3 ? Getting the Most out from Your High Performance Station?. "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Portable Elecraft KX3 ? Going for the Summit with the KX3 and KX3-2M/4M" ?The Elecraft KX-Line ? The Complete Station? ?The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 ? the K-Line Dream Station? Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com pdf formatted copies available at www.ke7x.com ?The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters ? Assembling the KX3-Line Station? printed copy available at www.lulu.com and pdf from www.ke7x.com. Plus a book dedicated to the K3S upgrades for the K3 and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book are works in progress. Free guides at ke7x.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of William H. Hannon Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 9:07 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Unable to Link VFO's in my K3 Brethren of the bands: I have a K3 with a sub receiver and when I try to link VFO's I go right to diversity mode. The sub receiver turns on and off but their is no stop with a mid push for linking. Also, when I hold long enough for "Diversity" mode, the sub receiver is NOT set to match VFO - A . What am I overlooking??? 73, Bill N8PW ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From n8pw at neo.rr.com Wed Oct 21 23:45:51 2015 From: n8pw at neo.rr.com (William H. Hannon) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 23:45:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Unable to Link V FO's (THANKS) Message-ID: <56285BEF.7010000@neo.rr.com> Gentlemen: The only thing faster than change was the fast response from the group. That's what I get for updating the firmware last spring - after low band season and not paying attention. And thanks to Fred - as Patton said about Romel - I read your book (books). Now to re-read the part about Programmable Function keys.... Thanks to all 73, Bill N8PW : From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Oct 21 23:46:27 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 22:46:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: <22203491.1445481108000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <22203491.1445481108000.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <56285C13.4090508@blomand.net> Great explanation........specially for an old fellow {me}, trying to learn to use an Iambic paddle. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 10/21/2015 9:31 PM, Mike Morrow wrote: >> nfortunately my keying is full of mistakes. When I send the letter C >> >for example, it often comes out as CT or K. I thought the KX3 must be >> >set to mode B keying, but no, it was on mode A. > What you report is completely contradictory. > > If C is the desired character: > > A Mode A operator using a Mode B keyer can easily end up sending -.-.- > A Mode B operator using a Mode A keyer can easily end up sending -.- > > Mode B keyers end an iambic string with > * a dash if the paddles are released during a dot, or > * a dot if the paddles are released during a dash. > > Mode A keyers end an iambic string with: > * the dash if the paddles are released during that dash, or > * the dot if the paddles are released during that dot. > > Mode B keyers ALWAYS add a character element for which no paddle closure has taken place at the end of an iambic string. > > Mode A keyers NEVER add a character element unless there has been paddle closure for that element. > > Most find Mode B paddle timing to be more critical than Mode A, even though Mode B does NOT eliminate any paddle manipulation. > > I find Elecraft's implementation of Mode A to be excellent. Almost all Asian ham rig makers stupidly impose Mode B only. Several years ago I asked QST to report the iambic keying modes available on any rig being reviewed. Since then QST has been very good about including that information. > > Mike / KK5F > (Mode A always!) From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Oct 22 00:38:23 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 21:38:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] CM 500 setings In-Reply-To: <5628013E.8020306@triconet.org> References: <69a2f.56c3fe1.4358fee5@aol.com> <5628013E.8020306@triconet.org> Message-ID: <5628683F.9050904@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Wed,10/21/2015 2:18 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > Regrettably, mic gain affects VOX gain. This should not be and I had > the impression that this fault was to be addressed, but it hasn't been > AFAIK. Actually, that's very logical flow, and is common to lots of audio gear, and it's what I would design if I were doing it. Thinking in analog terms, first there's a mic preamp with a sensitivity setting (in this case, Mic H or L), then an output gain setting, then stuff that uses the mic signal. The good part is that once mic sensitivity, mic gain, and VOX are set for one mic, they should not need adjustment for another, because the mic gain setting would be readjusted for that second mic. 73, Jim K9YC From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 00:48:54 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 00:48:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Corrected QST review of KSYN3A is on line. In-Reply-To: <562851f9.0f0c6b0a.c02b0.79ccSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <562851f9.0f0c6b0a.c02b0.79ccSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Page 58-59 November 2015 QST Digital Ed. Graphs are figures 10, 11 on page 59. 73, Guy K2AV On Wednesday, October 21, 2015, Ed Muns wrote: > October, not November. > > 73, > Ed W0YK > On Oct 21, 2015 4:58 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV > wrote: > > > > Digital Edition of November 2015 QST now has the new KSYN3A comparisons > up. > > > > If you are using the QST iPhone app, you will need to reload your phone > > with November 2015. This is done by first doing a delete on November to > > purge it off the phone, then redoing the download. Presume that that > > Android app would need the same. > > > > 73, Guy K2AV > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to ed at w0yk.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Oct 22 00:54:04 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 21:54:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Settings In-Reply-To: <5626E23F.4000608@blomand.net> References: <000a01d10b4f$3fb28100$bf178300$@com> <56266D86.5030003@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1445377660.32422.100.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <5626E23F.4000608@blomand.net> Message-ID: <56286BEC.4060306@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,10/20/2015 5:54 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: > There's a much easier and much better way to "do it by yourself". > > I use a free application Audacity for the process. Connect the K3 to > the computer using the same method as for digital modes. Activate the > K3S in the TEST mode, turn up the MON gain to about 10 and activate > the record mode in Audacity. Record about 30 seconds, save the file > and play it back. Listen critically. This is NOT representative of what is heard on the other end because it doesn't include the TX SSB roofing filter. > A general comment overlooked by most. The mike-to-mouth position and > mike placement is much more critical than many realize. I've found if > one changes the mike-to-mouth distance, looks around the room or the > desk while talking, or doesn't put the headset boom in the exact same > place every time, one will have different sounding audio. Thus it may > sound great one time and not so good the next time. Yes, this IS significant. Many mics (the class called cardioids) have a built-in bass boost when worked close. Many mics "pop" with sounds like "p" and "b", and this bass boost makes it worse. I've posted a photo of how I wear my CM500 -- the mic just above the level of my nose AND to the left of my mouth. This does three things -- it minimizes pops and that bass boost, holds level more constant than if the mic were closer, and, equally important, gives me room to drink coffee and munch. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Oct 22 01:38:29 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 22:38:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Settings In-Reply-To: References: <000a01d10b4f$3fb28100$bf178300$@com> <56266D86.5030003@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1445377660.32422.100.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <5626E23F.4000608@blomand.net> <56286BEC.4060306@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <56287655.6070903@audiosystemsgroup.com> Several places. Here's one. http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf Slide #173 73, Jim On Wed,10/21/2015 10:03 PM, Hank Garretson wrote: > Where did you post the photo Jim? From ron at cobi.biz Thu Oct 22 01:36:55 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 22:36:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] How to use the PX3's noise blanker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301d10c8b$aa0225f0$fe0671d0$@biz> Of course I meant, ...UNLESS you have the Noise Blanker level set too high... Sorry for that. Ron To clarify Wayne's comment, the NB is present *only* until you leave the MENU. Nb En is a "toggle": tap the knob to switch between NB Off and NB On. As he said, you will see no difference when no noise is present or if you have the Noise Blanker level set too high. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 9:29 AM To: John Fritze Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: How to use the PX3's noise blanker Hi John, When you turn the NB on, you should see an "NB" icon in the upper-right corner. The menu also has a setting for NB level, which you may need to adjust. In my case I've assigned both NB and NB level to FN switches so I can change the settings very quickly. With the NB turned on, you will observe one of three things in the PX3's displayed spectra: 1. No change (because any noise that's present is too low in amplitude to activate the blanker) 2. A reduction in "jumping" of the display (because the NB is having a beneficial effect on the noise) 3. An *increase* in "jumping" of the display (because the NB level is set too aggressively) Some experimentation with settings may be required. Note that the KX3 also has an NB function, with a similar level adjustment, but noise that affects the audible output of the KX3 may not affect the visual output of the PX3 and vice-versa. Thus they are independent settings. Wayne N6KR On Oct 1, 2014, at 5:34 AM, John Fritze wrote: > I am thoroughly impressed with my new PX3 but was wondering, when I go > into settings and activate the NB, nothing happens. Is it not implemented yet? > I am running the latest BETA firmware. > > -- > John Fritze Jr > K2QY > k2qy at arrl.net > ACACES president 2014 > Albany County RACES Radio Officer > ARES ENY DEC Northern District > Hudson Div. Asst. Director > Twitter: @k2qy > 401 261 4996 (cell) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n6kr at elecraft.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 01:49:45 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:49:45 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> References: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> Message-ID: <562878F9.8080607@gmail.com> Keyers are very different. For example, I am a mode B guy and a 'squeezer', but I find mode B on the Logikey, the K3 and the WinKeyer have different timing demands. I have beaten myself into being able to use the K3 keyer despite formerly using the Logikey, but I had to make a conscious effort to do so. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ Vic On 22 Oct 2015 01:04, Roger Crofts wrote: > I love my KX3 and its little paddle. Unfortunately my keying is full > of mistakes. When I send the letter C for example, it often comes out > as CT or K. I thought the KX3 must be set to mode B keying, but no, > it was on mode A. I originally learnt to send on an ETM-3b squeeze > keyer many moons ago. The ETM-3b is a mode A keyer. I tried plugging > a Bencher paddle into the KX3 but the problem remained, so the paddle > is not the problem. Is the mode A, that I am used to, somehow > different to the mode A in the KX3? > > Roger, VK4YB From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 02:07:34 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:07:34 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Received Signal Drops When Roofing Filter Switched In In-Reply-To: <1445472823266-7609423.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445390447606-7609366.post@n2.nabble.com> <1445472823266-7609423.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <56287D26.6010400@gmail.com> I used the dBV function to match the filter gains so that there would be no difference when switching filters. In my case I found it necessary to set the 400 Hz filter gain to +5 dB. You can do it by ear, but either way you need a steady signal. I used my little Elecraft XG1 to generate a steady 1 uv signal. Note that if you have the subreceiver, filter gains may need to be different. The easiest way to set them is with the K3 utility. Regarding the RX EQ, I don't use it at all on CW, because at narrow bandwidths the pitches that you hear are determined by the width and shift. If you like to listen to CW with 2 kHz bandwidth, then it might be useful, but I don't. You absolutely should NOT set the RX EQ to boost any frequencies on CW. Just cut the ones you don't want. This is because the RX EQ is turned off at bandwidths < 150 Hz. As a result, if you are boosting 400 Hz by 2 dB, then when you go to a narrow bandwidth the boost disappears -- exactly what you don't want! 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 22 Oct 2015 03:13, engineercm wrote: > Thanks to all that pointed me to the filter gain settings accessible with the > Utility. It was set at 2 db which is the recommended value in the K3 > manual. Now that I know where the parameter is, I'll experiment more with > weak signals. The manual does not suggest going above 2 db claiming DSP > operation would be impaired in some way. > > I've also concluded that the sharp drop in noise when the filter kicks in is > to be expected. I found the same instantaneous drop in noise with the 200 > Hz filter is engaged. Not at all annoying; I was just trying to understand > this marvelous radio. > > I'm primarily a CW op and will leave the Rx Eq set at +2db around the > sidetone frequencies and all others -10 or better. That seems to suit my > ears and my current operating skill. > > 73 de Clark WU4B > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Received-Signal-Drops-When-Roofing-Filter-Switched-In-tp7609366p7609423.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Oct 22 03:03:41 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 23:03:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3:Erratic CW keying Message-ID: <201510220703.t9M73gAC015971@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> I encountered an issue with remote keying my K3 via the straight key jack today. After keying up for a test carrier and releasing the KEY line the radio repeatedly keyed up at about 2x per second for anywhere from three to ten times before stopping: kerchunk-kerchunk-kerchunk-kerchunk ... I had a switch at the tower connected with two wires to the CW KEY jack in the house about 120-feet away. Shorting the leads at the back of the K3 caused the same thing. Figuring it might have something to do with my inhibit control I unplugged the connection to the ACC jack and also reset CONFIG: INH to OFF. Still the same behavior so it had nothing to do with Inhibit. Worrying that rapid TR keying might cause failure to my tower-mounted preamp, I tried using a different mode than CW. Keying in USB and FM showed normal TR action. I finally figured I could remotely use the KEY IN jack to activate PTT in FM mode for keying a test carrier while out at the tower. That worked fine. Later this evening I restored connection of my CW straight key to the K3 and saw none of the issues seen earlier. Since CW requires use of VOX I'm wondering if maybe the long key line introduced RFI into the CW KEY jack? I was testing with 50w at 2m. So curious if anyone has had similar experience with K3 acting up this way in CW mode. No I was not jacked into the paddle jack. I even adjusted CW speed with no affect (which one would expect using the straight key jack). Is there a way to run CW without using VOX? BTW I went thru all of the CONFIG settings to confirm they were in normal settings. Mostly curious what was happening now that I have a work-around for remotely testing (SWR) while at the tower (using FM and KEY IN). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From w7aqk at cox.net Thu Oct 22 05:10:26 2015 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 02:10:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? Message-ID: Hi All, I must be totally dense, but after 60 years of this stuff (and 40 years or so of it with a keyer and paddle), I just don't get the advantage of Mode B! I understand what Mode B does, or is supposed to do, but I don't see the benefit really. Although I use an "iambic" paddle, I don't use the iambic method, so probably that is the issue. However, how many folks really do use "iambic"? Not many based on the "survey" I've had going for a good while now. If I hear anything at all about Mode B, it is usually complaints! As for the gentleman's question about why his "Mode A" is acting like "Mode B", I'd be inclined to suspect that the rig is not actually placing itself in Mode A. Does this suggest the need to try a "reset"? Either that, or maybe it's only a paddle adjustment? Have someone else use your equipment to see if they get the same result. FWIW, both my K3 and my KX3 are in Mode A, and I have no problems with either. I do recall a time or two in the past when I was getting funny results, primarily due to RF getting into the paddle cable. However, that was usually manifested by the keyer taking off in an endless string of "dit-dahs". Dave W7AQK From duklaet at broadpark.no Thu Oct 22 06:24:12 2015 From: duklaet at broadpark.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Hjalmar_Dukl=E6t=22?=) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:24:12 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <778096094061.5628d56c@broadpark.no> Hi. Well, I for one use mode B and have always done so. Probably because my first keyer only had mode B and secondly because I wanted to use the squeeze tchnique, as I thought that was the ultimate way to send morse code. I have no problems with mode B, but cannot use mode A without a lot of errors, also on my KX3. So I'm sure the KX3 mode B is really mode B, and that KX3 mode A is something else, probably mode A. 73 de Hal/la4xx On 15-10-22 11:11, w7aqk wrote: > > Hi All, > > I must be totally dense, but after 60 years of this stuff (and 40 years or so of it with a keyer and paddle), I just don't get the advantage of Mode B! I understand what Mode B does, or is supposed to do, but I don't see the benefit really. Although I use an "iambic" paddle, I don't use the iambic method, so probably that is the issue. However, how many folks really do use "iambic"? Not many based on the "survey" I've had going for a good while now. If I hear anything at all about Mode B, it is usually complaints! > > As for the gentleman's question about why his "Mode A" is acting like "Mode B", I'd be inclined to suspect that the rig is not actually placing itself in Mode A. Does this suggest the need to try a "reset"? Either that, or maybe it's only a paddle adjustment? Have someone else use your equipment to see if they get the same result. FWIW, both my K3 and my KX3 are in Mode A, and I have no problems with either. I do recall a time or two in the past when I was getting funny results, primarily due to RF getting into the paddle cable. However, that was usually manifested by the keyer taking off in an endless string of "dit-dahs". > > Dave W7AQK > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to duklaet at broadpark.no > From albers at embarqmail.com Thu Oct 22 06:59:24 2015 From: albers at embarqmail.com (albers) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:59:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX-3 Iambic modes Message-ID: I won?t make any arguments about Iambic A vs. Iambic B. But, please see page 30 or page 37 of the KX-3 manual. Iambic A is the default, but the CW IAMB menu item lets you change it to B. 73 Ray K2HYD KX-3 # 6827 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From va3mw at portcredit.net Thu Oct 22 07:04:18 2015 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:04:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SS In-Reply-To: References: <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <3A5E5C8D-39CF-4269-9849-F717FBA9A2E4@portcredit.net> Message-ID: Actually, it can. I've used it for years recording both sides of the QSO. You just need to do some audio plumbing. Let me know if you want to hear it. Mike va3mw On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Hank Garretson wrote: > N4ZR reminds me that QSO Recorder has been recently updated to allow > continuous recording which would satisfy CQWW rules. > > The each-QSO mode suggested below would not satisfy CQWW rules. > > Contest Exuberantly, > > Hank, W6SX > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Hank Garretson wrote: > > > QSO Recorder does not meet the letter of CQWW rules: > > > > *C. Audio Recordings:* Any single operator entrant (see V.A.1) competing > >> for a top three finish at the (a) World, (b) Continent, or (c) USA > levels, > >> must record the transmitted and received audio as heard by the operator > for > >> the duration of the contest operation. > >> > > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Mike va3mw > wrote: > > > >> Use N1MM+ which is free to do your logging and QSORDER which is also > >> free. Both these run on your PC. > >> > >> Many have done it for years like this. Each qso is logged as a separate > >> audio file and it works wonderfully. > >> > >> I've done it from my remote base logging the audio locally for the past > 4 > >> or 5 years. > >> > >> Mike va3mw > >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From va3mw at portcredit.net Thu Oct 22 07:06:18 2015 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:06:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Recording CQ WW CW and SS In-Reply-To: References: <855940690.309596.1445351661616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <3A5E5C8D-39CF-4269-9849-F717FBA9A2E4@portcredit.net> Message-ID: I just remembered and example I have online. I did this flyover of VE3EJ's place a few years back. Some of the audio in it is from QSORDER when I make a QSO with him. https://vimeo.com/115526838 Mike va3mw On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Hank Garretson wrote: > N4ZR reminds me that QSO Recorder has been recently updated to allow > continuous recording which would satisfy CQWW rules. > > The each-QSO mode suggested below would not satisfy CQWW rules. > > Contest Exuberantly, > > Hank, W6SX > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Hank Garretson wrote: > > > QSO Recorder does not meet the letter of CQWW rules: > > > > *C. Audio Recordings:* Any single operator entrant (see V.A.1) competing > >> for a top three finish at the (a) World, (b) Continent, or (c) USA > levels, > >> must record the transmitted and received audio as heard by the operator > for > >> the duration of the contest operation. > >> > > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Mike va3mw > wrote: > > > >> Use N1MM+ which is free to do your logging and QSORDER which is also > >> free. Both these run on your PC. > >> > >> Many have done it for years like this. Each qso is logged as a separate > >> audio file and it works wonderfully. > >> > >> I've done it from my remote base logging the audio locally for the past > 4 > >> or 5 years. > >> > >> Mike va3mw > >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 08:38:27 2015 From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:38:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working In-Reply-To: <3708C0DA-9249-408A-A38B-627E8328F0DE@me.com> References: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> <3708C0DA-9249-408A-A38B-627E8328F0DE@me.com> Message-ID: <5628D8C2.90200@gmail.com> Jack, and others that have sent advice I have the latest manual from the Elecraft website. I have only followed the manual as far as testing the unit from the buttons on the unit, which works fine, and using the rs232 to computer using the latest Elecraft software to try to check/set the band map. That I have not got working yet. The software never finds the KRC2 on the serial port. I tried two computers, one using win7 the other using win10. Both computers have pciE serial cards, NOT usb to serial. Both computers talk to my K3 and KPA500 just fine. I will try to work on it again this weekend and see what else I can come up with. I have double and triple checked the jumpers for proper setup for rs232 setup, tried changing the baud rate, using all three. the KRC2 software can not see the unit. I can check the serial lines with a scope to see if the signals are geting to the pic chip, but that will have to wait until the weekend. Thanks for the help, Gordon - N1MGO On 10/21/2015 06:33 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > Gordon; > > How can I help? Please describe what you are trying to do, what has worked and what hasn?t. > > Also, a good description of the jumpers, inserted and not, would be very helpful. > > If you don?t have it, be sure to download the manual from the Elecraft website. > > Jack Brindle, W6FB > Elecraft Engineering > >> On Oct 21, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Gordon LaPoint wrote: >> >> I purchased a used KRC2 band decoder. Going through the tests in the manual, it works with the buttons on the KRC2, but I can not get the unit to communicate with my computer. I downloaded the software from Elecraft, using Windows 7 or 10 and real serial ports (not usb-serial). What am I doing wrong? or is the unit bad? I have not hooked up the auxbuss to the K3 yet, wanted to make sure the bandmap and serial port work first. >> >> Gordon -- N1MGO >> >> -- >> Gordon - N1MGO >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com -- Gordon - N1MGO From lists at subich.com Thu Oct 22 08:40:23 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:40:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: <562878F9.8080607@gmail.com> References: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> <562878F9.8080607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5628D937.3020701@subich.com> Mode B on the Logikey is not the same as Mode B in Winkeyer, K3 or AccuKeyer (the original "Mode B"). Logikey makes the "opposite element" decision at the end of the first dit period whereas the normal Mode B implementation makes the opposite element decision at the beginning of the element. Because of this delayed decision one can "drag" the paddles a bit and not have the extra element at the end of the character. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 10/22/2015 1:49 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > Keyers are very different. For example, I am a mode B guy and a > 'squeezer', but I find mode B on the Logikey, the K3 and the WinKeyer > have different timing demands. I have beaten myself into being able to > use the K3 keyer despite formerly using the Logikey, but I had to make a > conscious effort to do so. > > 73, > Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO > Rehovot, Israel > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Oct 22 09:24:03 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:24:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Settings In-Reply-To: <56286BEC.4060306@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <000a01d10b4f$3fb28100$bf178300$@com> <56266D86.5030003@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1445377660.32422.100.camel@nostromo.nk7z> <5626E23F.4000608@blomand.net> <56286BEC.4060306@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5628E373.4050404@blomand.net> While true, {although Jim and I rarely agree on anything} what is heard via the MONitor is representative of those enhancements and adjustments the operator can apply. In simple words, if it doesn't sound great there via the MONitor, it certainly won't sound great after the TX SSB roofing filter either. There's no adjustments available to the operator after the TX SSB roofing filter. The other approach to evaluating ones transmitter is to use a 2nd receiver. That in itself will introduce other artifacts. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 10/21/2015 11:54 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > This is NOT representative of what is heard on the other end because > it doesn't include the TX SSB roofing filter. From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 22 09:29:56 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:29:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine Message-ID: <02d001d10ccd$bf1d9130$3d58b390$@carolinaheli.com> I normally wear a headset but when working I like to listen to code to help build my proficiency and am hearing a lot of distortion/buzz/whine. I typically am on 40M running about 500Hz wide (my filter is the 8 pole 400Hz), NR is ON, APF is ON. I've tried changing the tone from 700Hz to down around 400Hz and the issue just gets worse. The speaker is tight against the mesh/top cover so I'm not sure why the sound is so buzzy. I don't notice it on SSB. I end up turning the volume WAY DOWN which makes it better but still some buzz in there. I plan to wire up some old surround sound speakers up for stereo and try that but am trying to figure out what I did wrong in the meantime. Thanks in advance. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. From daleputnam at hotmail.com Thu Oct 22 09:41:50 2015 From: daleputnam at hotmail.com (Dale Putnam) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:41:50 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: <778096094061.5628d56c@broadpark.no> References: , <778096094061.5628d56c@broadpark.no> Message-ID: I have also always used mode B, send lots of errors with mode A, am NOT interested in relearning how to send with mode A, and will not bother with trying to use mode A. However,if mode A is all that is available.. I WILL use my SK. Slower, sure, but no errors either. Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy From wes at triconet.org Thu Oct 22 09:56:13 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:56:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] CM 500 setings In-Reply-To: <56281D7D.6040806@blomand.net> References: <69a2f.56c3fe1.4358fee5@aol.com> <5628013E.8020306@triconet.org> <5628191B.2050300@triconet.org> <56281D7D.6040806@blomand.net> Message-ID: <5628EAFD.8040400@triconet.org> That's not a real PTT switch, that's a way to push the radio off the desk, or put it in tune. On 10/21/2015 4:19 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: > Sure there is an available PTT ........ just push XMIT on the radio. > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > > On 10/21/2015 6:00 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >> I always use a headset but sometimes use both the headphones and speaker if a >> guest is in the shack and needs to hear the other station. Hence the need >> for anti-vox even with a headset. >> >> Gad, just realized there is not hand or stand mic in the shack and no way to >> use PTT. > > From wes at triconet.org Thu Oct 22 10:11:31 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 07:11:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] CM 500 setings In-Reply-To: <5628683F.9050904@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <69a2f.56c3fe1.4358fee5@aol.com> <5628013E.8020306@triconet.org> <5628683F.9050904@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5628EE93.7070505@triconet.org> Well, just like in our politics, we're going to have to disagree on this one. I actually discovered this,and reported it here a while ago, when trying to set up my K3S for RTTY using the new USB/internal sound card and VOX. See: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Mic-VOX-interaction-td7606353.html Wayne wrote that one of their engineers had also discovered the issue and it was to be moved up the list. Still waiting. On 10/21/2015 9:38 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Wed,10/21/2015 2:18 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >> Regrettably, mic gain affects VOX gain. This should not be and I had the >> impression that this fault was to be addressed, but it hasn't been AFAIK. > > Actually, that's very logical flow, and is common to lots of audio gear, and > it's what I would design if I were doing it. Thinking in analog terms, first > there's a mic preamp with a sensitivity setting (in this case, Mic H or L), > then an output gain setting, then stuff that uses the mic signal. The good > part is that once mic sensitivity, mic gain, and VOX are set for one mic, they > should not need adjustment for another, because the mic gain setting would be > readjusted for that second mic. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes at triconet.org > From wrmoore47 at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 11:07:43 2015 From: wrmoore47 at gmail.com (Randy Moore) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:07:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine In-Reply-To: <02d001d10ccd$bf1d9130$3d58b390$@carolinaheli.com> References: <02d001d10ccd$bf1d9130$3d58b390$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: Jerry, I have this buzzing in my K3, and have heard it in some (not all) of the K3s I have built for friends. I have found that most of it comes from vibration between the case top and the vertical metal pieces that contact the top. If that's what you're hearing, you can minimize it by putting some vinyl tape over the tops of the metal pieces. In each case I've seen, the buzzing is worst around 400 Hz, near my favored CW sidetone frequency! 73, Randy, KS4L On Oct 22, 2015 8:32 AM, wrote: > I normally wear a headset but when working I like to listen to code to help > build my proficiency and am hearing a lot of distortion/buzz/whine. I > typically am on 40M running about 500Hz wide (my filter is the 8 pole > 400Hz), NR is ON, APF is ON. I've tried changing the tone from 700Hz to > down > around 400Hz and the issue just gets worse. > > The speaker is tight against the mesh/top cover so I'm not sure why the > sound is so buzzy. I don't notice it on SSB. I end up turning the volume > WAY > DOWN which makes it better but still some buzz in there. I plan to wire up > some old surround sound speakers up for stereo and try that but am trying > to > figure out what I did wrong in the meantime. > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > Jerry Moore > > CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists > > AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 > > http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB > > An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and > Patriotic. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wrmoore47 at gmail.com > From fcady at montana.edu Thu Oct 22 11:09:31 2015 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:09:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Unable to Link V FO's (THANKS) In-Reply-To: <56285BEF.7010000@neo.rr.com> References: <56285BEF.7010000@neo.rr.com> Message-ID: Here is how you can set up a programmable function key, say a hold of PF2, to toggle VFO LNK on and off: Hold CONFIG and tune VFO B to VFO LNK menu. Hold PF2. The display will say PF2 SET. Tap menu and now each hold of PF2 will toggle the link on and off. There are 10 programmable keys, holding PF1 and PF2, tapping M1 - M4, and holding M1 - M4. If you use an M1 - M4 keys you can't also use it for CW or SSB messages. Cheers, Fred ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of William H. Hannon Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 9:45 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Unable to Link V FO's (THANKS) Gentlemen: The only thing faster than change was the fast response from the group. That's what I get for updating the firmware last spring - after low band season and not paying attention. And thanks to Fred - as Patton said about Romel - I read your book (books). Now to re-read the part about Programmable Function keys.... Thanks to all 73, Bill N8PW : ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Thu Oct 22 11:26:23 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:26:23 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: <5628D937.3020701@subich.com> References: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> <562878F9.8080607@gmail.com> <5628D937.3020701@subich.com> Message-ID: <008301d10cde$07fc3fe0$17f4bfa0$@co.uk> This discussion emphasizes the oft-repeated point that the built-in keyer firmware (shared by the K3, K3S and KX3) is really rather basic, lacking many CW features that are present in a $6 Winkeyer chip for example. And before someone says "So get a Winkeyer already!" please remember these three points: 1. Portability and excellent CW operation have always been prime feature of the Elecraft range... but both of those claims falter if significant numbers of owners are forced to use external accessories. 2. Elecraft transceivers are uniquely dependent on the built-in keyer, which MUST be used when sending RTTY and PSK31 from the paddle. 3. We're all "wired" differently as regards high-speed fine motor skills - meaning that each one of us is somewhere along a very broad spectrum. Nobody is qualified to judge whether the built-in keyers are adequate through their own experience alone. 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Joe Subich, W4TV >Sent: 22 October 2015 13:40 >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? > > >Mode B on the Logikey is not the same as Mode B in Winkeyer, K3 or >AccuKeyer (the original "Mode B"). Logikey makes the "opposite >element" decision at the end of the first dit period whereas the >normal Mode B implementation makes the opposite element decision >at the beginning of the element. > >Because of this delayed decision one can "drag" the paddles a bit >and not have the extra element at the end of the character. > >73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >On 10/22/2015 1:49 AM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: >> Keyers are very different. For example, I am a mode B guy and a >> 'squeezer', but I find mode B on the Logikey, the K3 and the WinKeyer >> have different timing demands. I have beaten myself into being able to >> use the K3 keyer despite formerly using the Logikey, but I had to make a >> conscious effort to do so. >> >> 73, >> Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO >> Rehovot, Israel >> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ >> >> >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 22 11:56:20 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 11:56:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine In-Reply-To: References: <02d001d10ccd$bf1d9130$3d58b390$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <031501d10ce2$32fcde30$98f69a90$@carolinaheli.com> Outstanding!! I?ll try that. I don?t listen to my rig often over the speaker as I have some different hearing losses in each ear. Jerry, I have this buzzing in my K3, and have heard it in some (not all) of the K3s I have built for friends. I have found that most of it comes from vibration between the case top and the vertical metal pieces that contact the top. If that's what you're hearing, you can minimize it by putting some vinyl tape over the tops of the metal pieces. In each case I've seen, the buzzing is worst around 400 Hz, near my favored CW sidetone frequency! 73, Randy, KS4L From matt at nq6n.com Thu Oct 22 12:04:08 2015 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:04:08 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 for sale or trade for KX3 Message-ID: I am thinking of selling my P3 (mint condition, purchased new, assembled). Please make an offer, or if you have a KX3 to trade please let me know the amount of additional money you would want to make a trade (as well as what options the KX3 contains). Please email me off list. I will include free shipping in the continental US for the P3. I love the P3 but end up mostly doing guest operating so rarely use it. 73, Matt NQ6N From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 22 12:07:06 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:07:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: <008301d10cde$07fc3fe0$17f4bfa0$@co.uk> References: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> <562878F9.8080607@gmail.com> <5628D937.3020701@subich.com> <008301d10cde$07fc3fe0$17f4bfa0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <032501d10ce3$b48db3b0$1da91b10$@carolinaheli.com> Ian, Forgive me if these are stupid questions; What are you SPECIFICALLY referring to? So far the thread has meandered between different manufacturer implementations using the same names... i.e. "Mode A" and "Mode B". I'm not aware of any standards for modes on keyers or even anything else for that matter. Just guidelines and what's been usually done. If we want more features in Elecraft gear it's probably a trivial thing to just ask. What CW features specifically are NEEDED but lacking? Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian White Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:26 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? This discussion emphasizes the oft-repeated point that the built-in keyer firmware (shared by the K3, K3S and KX3) is really rather basic, lacking many CW features that are present in a $6 Winkeyer chip for example. And before someone says "So get a Winkeyer already!" please remember these three points: 1. Portability and excellent CW operation have always been prime feature of the Elecraft range... but both of those claims falter if significant numbers of owners are forced to use external accessories. 2. Elecraft transceivers are uniquely dependent on the built-in keyer, which MUST be used when sending RTTY and PSK31 from the paddle. 3. We're all "wired" differently as regards high-speed fine motor skills - meaning that each one of us is somewhere along a very broad spectrum. Nobody is qualified to judge whether the built-in keyers are adequate through their own experience alone. 73 from Ian GM3SEK From bobfinger1010 at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 12:31:26 2015 From: bobfinger1010 at gmail.com (bob finger) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:31:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: <032501d10ce3$b48db3b0$1da91b10$@carolinaheli.com> References: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> <562878F9.8080607@gmail.com> <5628D937.3020701@subich.com> <008301d10cde$07fc3fe0$17f4bfa0$@co.uk> <032501d10ce3$b48db3b0$1da91b10$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: The old LogiKey K3 keyer has 10 emulation modes. I built an AccuKeyer way back when and still use its emulation on the LogiKey. I would have said K3 but that would be misleading. I've never even tried the keyer in the K3 as I know my cw would be terrible without the AccuKeyer emulation. 73 bob de w9ge On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:07 PM, wrote: > Ian, > Forgive me if these are stupid questions; > What are you SPECIFICALLY referring to? > So far the thread has meandered between different manufacturer > implementations using the same names... i.e. "Mode A" and "Mode B". > I'm not aware of any standards for modes on keyers or even anything else > for > that matter. Just guidelines and what's been usually done. > > If we want more features in Elecraft gear it's probably a trivial thing to > just ask. > > What CW features specifically are NEEDED but lacking? > > Jerry Moore > CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists > AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 > http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB > An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and > Patriotic. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian > White > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:26 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? > > This discussion emphasizes the oft-repeated point that the built-in keyer > firmware (shared by the K3, K3S and KX3) is really rather basic, lacking > many CW features that are present in a $6 Winkeyer chip for example. > And before someone says "So get a Winkeyer already!" please remember these > three points: > 1. Portability and excellent CW operation have always been prime feature of > the Elecraft range... but both of those claims falter if significant > numbers > of owners are forced to use external accessories. > 2. Elecraft transceivers are uniquely dependent on the built-in keyer, > which > MUST be used when sending RTTY and PSK31 from the paddle. > 3. We're all "wired" differently as regards high-speed fine motor skills > - meaning that each one of us is somewhere along a very broad spectrum. > Nobody is qualified to judge whether the built-in keyers are adequate > through their own experience alone. > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bobfinger1010 at gmail.com > From ron at cobi.biz Thu Oct 22 12:43:11 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:43:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine In-Reply-To: <031501d10ce2$32fcde30$98f69a90$@carolinaheli.com> References: <02d001d10ccd$bf1d9130$3d58b390$@carolinaheli.com> <031501d10ce2$32fcde30$98f69a90$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <004601d10ce8$bd48dcf0$37da96d0$@biz> Are all the top screws in place, including the chassis stiffener bar that is mounted on the KPA3 shield and attaches to the top with three screws? When assembled, there are no "vertical metal pieces that contact the top" that are not secured by screws. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 8:56 AM To: 'Randy Moore'; ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine Outstanding!! I?ll try that. I don?t listen to my rig often over the speaker as I have some different hearing losses in each ear. Jerry, I have this buzzing in my K3, and have heard it in some (not all) of the K3s I have built for friends. I have found that most of it comes from vibration between the case top and the vertical metal pieces that contact the top. If that's what you're hearing, you can minimize it by putting some vinyl tape over the tops of the metal pieces. In each case I've seen, the buzzing is worst around 400 Hz, near my favored CW sidetone frequency! 73, Randy, KS4L ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 22 13:12:56 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:12:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine In-Reply-To: <004601d10ce8$bd48dcf0$37da96d0$@biz> References: <02d001d10ccd$bf1d9130$3d58b390$@carolinaheli.com> <031501d10ce2$32fcde30$98f69a90$@carolinaheli.com> <004601d10ce8$bd48dcf0$37da96d0$@biz> Message-ID: <036701d10cec$e67ecd60$b37c6820$@carolinaheli.com> Yes, I found something about if the speaker frame gets warped it can affect the speaker cone. Maybe I over-tightened the speaker and have it warped. I'll take the cover off, remove the speaker and see what it sounds like without being installed. If that 'fixes" the issue then I'll investigate further. It's a minor thing but something I want to resolve. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:43 PM To: 'Randy Moore' Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine Are all the top screws in place, including the chassis stiffener bar that is mounted on the KPA3 shield and attaches to the top with three screws? When assembled, there are no "vertical metal pieces that contact the top" that are not secured by screws. 73, Ron AC7AC From byron at n6nul.org Thu Oct 22 13:21:15 2015 From: byron at n6nul.org (Byron Servies) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:21:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working In-Reply-To: <5628D8C2.90200@gmail.com> References: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> <3708C0DA-9249-408A-A38B-627E8328F0DE@me.com> <5628D8C2.90200@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Gordon, I recently, and finally, got to the point where I needed to set up band maps in my KRC2. I also use PCIe serial cards and Windows 10 and the problem I had was the cable. Once I built a cable using exactly the pinouts in the KRC2 manual (instead of cables I had laying around), it worked fine, as did the firmware update. Sorry I cannot be of more help, but that is what worked for me. 73, Byron N6NUL On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Gordon LaPoint wrote: > Jack, and others that have sent advice > > I have the latest manual from the Elecraft website. I have only > followed the manual as far as testing the unit from the buttons on the unit, > which works fine, and using the rs232 to computer using the latest Elecraft > software to try to check/set the band map. That I have not got working yet. > The software never finds the KRC2 on the serial port. I tried two > computers, one using win7 the other using win10. Both computers have pciE > serial cards, NOT usb to serial. Both computers talk to my K3 and KPA500 > just fine. > I will try to work on it again this weekend and see what else I can come up > with. > I have double and triple checked the jumpers for proper setup for rs232 > setup, tried changing the baud rate, using all three. the KRC2 software can > not see the unit. I can check the serial lines with a scope to see if the > signals are geting to the pic chip, but that will have to wait until the > weekend. > Thanks for the help, -- - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 13:25:25 2015 From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:25:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working In-Reply-To: References: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> <3708C0DA-9249-408A-A38B-627E8328F0DE@me.com> <5628D8C2.90200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56291C05.5000202@gmail.com> Byron, Thanks! I will check my serial cable pinout, I think I'm using a straight thru with all pins connectd. I may have to make a cable with just the pins connected that the manual specifies. Gordon - N1MGO On 10/22/2015 01:21 PM, Byron Servies wrote: > Hi Gordon, > > I recently, and finally, got to the point where I needed to set up > band maps in my KRC2. I also use PCIe serial cards and Windows 10 and > the problem I had was the cable. Once I built a cable using exactly > the pinouts in the KRC2 manual (instead of cables I had laying > around), it worked fine, as did the firmware update. > > Sorry I cannot be of more help, but that is what worked for me. > > 73, Byron N6NUL > From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 13:35:13 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:35:13 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine In-Reply-To: <031501d10ce2$32fcde30$98f69a90$@carolinaheli.com> References: <02d001d10ccd$bf1d9130$3d58b390$@carolinaheli.com> <031501d10ce2$32fcde30$98f69a90$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <56291E51.80100@gmail.com> If you do this, be sure to leave some bare metal around the screws so there can be good electrical contact for shielding purposes. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 22 Oct 2015 18:56, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > Outstanding!! I?ll try that. I don?t listen to my rig often over the > speaker as I have some different hearing losses in each ear. > > > > Jerry, > > I have this buzzing in my K3, and have heard it in some (not all) of > the K3s I have built for friends. I have found that most of it comes > from vibration between the case top and the vertical metal pieces > that contact the top. If that's what you're hearing, you can minimize > it by putting some vinyl tape over the tops of the metal pieces. In > each case I've seen, the buzzing is worst around 400 Hz, near my > favored CW sidetone frequency! > > 73, > > Randy, KS4L > > From ac5p at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 22 14:22:16 2015 From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (ac5p at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine In-Reply-To: <56291E51.80100@gmail.com> References: <56291E51.80100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <978648934.1409405.1445538136616.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I use a 60 degree deflector made from 3" ABS plastic pipe that sits over the stock top mounted speaker.?? This gives a noticeable boost to the sidetonefrequency I prefer, 540Hz.?? I get nice room filling volume at low settings of the AF gain pot directed toward ear level.???So far this has outperformed anyexternal speaker or headphones I have used for CW.????One of these days should be able to compare to K3S, but I would bet on my deflector first.Never heard any spurious vibration/whine.?? Mike? AC5P??? On Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:36 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: If you do this, be sure to leave some bare metal around the screws so there can be good electrical contact for shielding purposes. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 22 Oct 2015 18:56, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > Outstanding!! I?ll try that. I don?t listen to my rig often over the > speaker as I have some different hearing losses in each ear. > > > > Jerry, > > I have this buzzing in my K3, and have heard it in some (not all) of > the K3s I have built for friends. I have found that most of it comes > from vibration between the case top and the vertical metal pieces > that contact the top. If that's what you're hearing, you can minimize > it by putting some vinyl tape over the tops of the metal pieces.? In > each case I've seen,? the buzzing is worst around 400 Hz, near my > favored CW sidetone frequency! > > 73, > > Randy, KS4L > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ac5p at sbcglobal.net From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 14:33:02 2015 From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:33:02 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] MH2 settings Message-ID: <56292be3.8a278c0a.a9353.ffffdf36@mx.google.com> Hello I am installing MH2 microphone I found I need BIAS on the K3, so MIC SEL = FP.X BIAS But don?t know if I must setup LOW or HIGH FP.H BIAS or FP.L BIAS Thanks, Jorge CX6VM/CW5W --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electr?nico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From k2mk at comcast.net Thu Oct 22 15:06:22 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:06:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine In-Reply-To: <02d001d10ccd$bf1d9130$3d58b390$@carolinaheli.com> References: <02d001d10ccd$bf1d9130$3d58b390$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <1445540782027-7609465.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Jerry, You should also try with APF off. APF on the K3 is useful for pulling out weak signals. I don't see the benefit for general listening. Just as a further clarification. Generally, if your bandwidth is dialed in as 500Hz then your 400Hz filter has been switched out and your current roofing filter is the next wider one. I say generally because it is possible to set wider cutoff points for the roofing filters. 73, Mike K2MK ae4pb wrote > I normally wear a headset but when working I like to listen to code to > help > build my proficiency and am hearing a lot of distortion/buzz/whine. I > typically am on 40M running about 500Hz wide (my filter is the 8 pole > 400Hz), NR is ON, APF is ON. I've tried changing the tone from 700Hz to > down > around 400Hz and the issue just gets worse. > > The speaker is tight against the mesh/top cover so I'm not sure why the > sound is so buzzy. I don't notice it on SSB. I end up turning the volume > WAY > DOWN which makes it better but still some buzz in there. I plan to wire up > some old surround sound speakers up for stereo and try that but am trying > to > figure out what I did wrong in the meantime. > > Thanks in advance. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-speaker-vibration-whine-tp7609448p7609465.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ron at cobi.biz Thu Oct 22 15:23:55 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:23:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine In-Reply-To: <036701d10cec$e67ecd60$b37c6820$@carolinaheli.com> References: <02d001d10ccd$bf1d9130$3d58b390$@carolinaheli.com> <031501d10ce2$32fcde30$98f69a90$@carolinaheli.com> <004601d10ce8$bd48dcf0$37da96d0$@biz> <036701d10cec$e67ecd60$b37c6820$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <007401d10cff$31c31f80$95495e80$@biz> That was my experience too, with an older K2 that uses the same speaker. The magnet is heavy enough to bend the speaker frame if it's handled too roughly. I dropped the top cover with speaker mounted onto a wooden floor. I confirmed the cause by gently moving the paper speaker cone with my fingers. If the frame is warped you can feel the voice coil rubbing on the magnet. I was able to repair the speaker by putting a blade screwdriver between the frame members and the magnet and twisting it slightly to move the magnet relative to the frame. It involved a bit of trial and error to determine which way the magnet needs to be moved so the voice coil stops rubbing but it's not difficult. That was about 8 years ago. The speaker has been fine ever since. That was without a shield on the speaker magnet but if you reach in to the magnet (just visible inside the shield) it should work with the shield in place. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Moore [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] On Behalf Of ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 10:13 AM To: 'Ron D'Eau Claire'; 'Randy Moore' Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine Yes, I found something about if the speaker frame gets warped it can affect the speaker cone. Maybe I over-tightened the speaker and have it warped. I'll take the cover off, remove the speaker and see what it sounds like without being installed. If that 'fixes" the issue then I'll investigate further. It's a minor thing but something I want to resolve. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:43 PM To: 'Randy Moore' Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine Are all the top screws in place, including the chassis stiffener bar that is mounted on the KPA3 shield and attaches to the top with three screws? When assembled, there are no "vertical metal pieces that contact the top" that are not secured by screws. 73, Ron AC7AC From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 22 15:28:17 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:28:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine In-Reply-To: <007401d10cff$31c31f80$95495e80$@biz> References: <02d001d10ccd$bf1d9130$3d58b390$@carolinaheli.com> <031501d10ce2$32fcde30$98f69a90$@carolinaheli.com> <004601d10ce8$bd48dcf0$37da96d0$@biz> <036701d10cec$e67ecd60$b37c6820$@carolinaheli.com> <007401d10cff$31c31f80$95495e80$@biz> Message-ID: <005501d10cff$ceced3f0$6c6c7bd0$@carolinaheli.com> I've not gotten into it yet. My speaker has never been dropped but I'll check. -----Original Message----- From: Ron D'Eau Claire [mailto:ron at cobi.biz] Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:24 PM To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; 'Randy Moore' Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine That was my experience too, with an older K2 that uses the same speaker. The magnet is heavy enough to bend the speaker frame if it's handled too roughly. I dropped the top cover with speaker mounted onto a wooden floor. I confirmed the cause by gently moving the paper speaker cone with my fingers. If the frame is warped you can feel the voice coil rubbing on the magnet. I was able to repair the speaker by putting a blade screwdriver between the frame members and the magnet and twisting it slightly to move the magnet relative to the frame. It involved a bit of trial and error to determine which way the magnet needs to be moved so the voice coil stops rubbing but it's not difficult. That was about 8 years ago. The speaker has been fine ever since. That was without a shield on the speaker magnet but if you reach in to the magnet (just visible inside the shield) it should work with the shield in place. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Moore [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com] On Behalf Of ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 10:13 AM To: 'Ron D'Eau Claire'; 'Randy Moore' Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine Yes, I found something about if the speaker frame gets warped it can affect the speaker cone. Maybe I over-tightened the speaker and have it warped. I'll take the cover off, remove the speaker and see what it sounds like without being installed. If that 'fixes" the issue then I'll investigate further. It's a minor thing but something I want to resolve. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:43 PM To: 'Randy Moore' Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine Are all the top screws in place, including the chassis stiffener bar that is mounted on the KPA3 shield and attaches to the top with three screws? When assembled, there are no "vertical metal pieces that contact the top" that are not secured by screws. 73, Ron AC7AC From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 22 15:31:40 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:31:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine In-Reply-To: <1445540782027-7609465.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <02d001d10ccd$bf1d9130$3d58b390$@carolinaheli.com> <1445540782027-7609465.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <005701d10d00$4748a7c0$d5d9f740$@carolinaheli.com> Will do, I usually operate with headphones and just crank the RF gain down as needed. That + NR + APF + width really rocks signals down to nearly nothing unless they are really weak. Then it's a matter of playing with the settings. I'm finding a need to play with the AGC on some signals where with others it needs to be engaged more. I'm enjoying the process of learning to really use it. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike K2MK Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:06 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine Hi Jerry, You should also try with APF off. APF on the K3 is useful for pulling out weak signals. I don't see the benefit for general listening. Just as a further clarification. Generally, if your bandwidth is dialed in as 500Hz then your 400Hz filter has been switched out and your current roofing filter is the next wider one. I say generally because it is possible to set wider cutoff points for the roofing filters. 73, Mike K2MK ae4pb wrote > I normally wear a headset but when working I like to listen to code to > help build my proficiency and am hearing a lot of > distortion/buzz/whine. I typically am on 40M running about 500Hz wide > (my filter is the 8 pole 400Hz), NR is ON, APF is ON. I've tried > changing the tone from 700Hz to down around 400Hz and the issue just > gets worse. > > The speaker is tight against the mesh/top cover so I'm not sure why > the sound is so buzzy. I don't notice it on SSB. I end up turning the > volume WAY DOWN which makes it better but still some buzz in there. I > plan to wire up some old surround sound speakers up for stereo and try > that but am trying to figure out what I did wrong in the meantime. > > Thanks in advance. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-speaker-vibration-whine-tp7609448p7 609465.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From no9e at arrl.net Thu Oct 22 15:59:47 2015 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:59:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Corrected QST review of KSYN3A is on line. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1445543987729-7609468.post@n2.nabble.com> No change at http://www.arrl.org/reviews-listed-by-issue Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Corrected-QST-review-of-KSYN3A-is-on-line-tp7609422p7609468.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wrmoore47 at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 16:26:27 2015 From: wrmoore47 at gmail.com (Randy Moore) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:26:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine In-Reply-To: <004601d10ce8$bd48dcf0$37da96d0$@biz> References: <02d001d10ccd$bf1d9130$3d58b390$@carolinaheli.com> <031501d10ce2$32fcde30$98f69a90$@carolinaheli.com> <004601d10ce8$bd48dcf0$37da96d0$@biz> Message-ID: True, Ron, but there are several inches of metal between the screws. Randy On Oct 22, 2015 11:43 AM, "Ron D'Eau Claire" wrote: > Are all the top screws in place, including the chassis stiffener bar that > is mounted on the KPA3 shield and attaches to the top with three screws? > > When assembled, there are no "vertical metal pieces that contact the top" > that are not secured by screws. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > ae4pb at carolinaheli.com > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 8:56 AM > To: 'Randy Moore'; ae4pb at carolinaheli.com > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine > > Outstanding!! I?ll try that. I don?t listen to my rig often over the > speaker as I have some different hearing losses in each ear. > > > > Jerry, > > I have this buzzing in my K3, and have heard it in some (not all) of the > K3s I have built for friends. I have found that most of it comes from > vibration between the case top and the vertical metal pieces that contact > the top. If that's what you're hearing, you can minimize it by putting some > vinyl tape over the tops of the metal pieces. In each case I've seen, the > buzzing is worst around 400 Hz, near my favored CW sidetone frequency! > > 73, > > Randy, KS4L > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com > > From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 16:27:02 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:27:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Corrected QST review of KSYN3A is on line. In-Reply-To: <1445543987729-7609468.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445543987729-7609468.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I just pulled that up via the web page. It IS revised. You probably need to force refresh the page to get rid of the old version in your browser cache. 73, Guy K2AV On Thursday, October 22, 2015, Ignacy wrote: > No change at http://www.arrl.org/reviews-listed-by-issue > Ignacy, NO9E > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Corrected-QST-review-of-KSYN3A-is-on-line-tp7609422p7609468.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From wes at triconet.org Thu Oct 22 16:27:36 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:27:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine In-Reply-To: References: <02d001d10ccd$bf1d9130$3d58b390$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <562946B8.1090401@triconet.org> And upset the shielding. On 10/22/2015 8:07 AM, Randy Moore wrote: > ...you can minimize it by putting some > vinyl tape over the tops of the metal pieces. From wrmoore47 at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 16:32:52 2015 From: wrmoore47 at gmail.com (Randy Moore) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:32:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine In-Reply-To: <562946B8.1090401@triconet.org> References: <02d001d10ccd$bf1d9130$3d58b390$@carolinaheli.com> <562946B8.1090401@triconet.org> Message-ID: The tape goes between the screws. Randy On Oct 22, 2015 3:31 PM, "Wes (N7WS)" wrote: > And upset the shielding. > > On 10/22/2015 8:07 AM, Randy Moore wrote: > >> ...you can minimize it by putting some >> vinyl tape over the tops of the metal pieces. >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wrmoore47 at gmail.com > From juhani.viitala at saunalahti.fi Thu Oct 22 16:36:14 2015 From: juhani.viitala at saunalahti.fi (Juhani Viitala) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:36:14 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and DTF on RTTY Message-ID: <562948BE.7000102@saunalahti.fi> HI! On RTTY/AFSK I can't use Dual Tone Filter (DTF). My RTTY program is TrueTTY and it uses USB for RTTY and that's why I must use DATA-REV. My K3s config is AFSK > DATA-REV > PITCH 1275-170. Everything works fine when using "normal" filttering but if I turn APF to DTF everything dissapear in waterfall. I have tried to change PITCH but no help. What am I doing wrong? 73's John OH3SR From dberger381 at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 16:37:31 2015 From: dberger381 at gmail.com (Don Berger) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:37:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Review of Fred Cady's new K3S manual Message-ID: I recently purchased Fred's manual obtained by download. Not sure if hard copy is available yet. Short version - probably the most value I've ever obtained from $25. There is no way I would ever be able to fully utilize the myriad of advantages this rig offers had I simply used the Elecraft op manual. Just the section on AGC settings in itself is enlightening. There is far more intricacies than meets the eye or in this case, the ears. Hopefully others with more time to spare who have also bought it can expand on the wealth of additional info it provides. From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 16:39:05 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:39:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine In-Reply-To: <005501d10cff$ceced3f0$6c6c7bd0$@carolinaheli.com> References: <02d001d10ccd$bf1d9130$3d58b390$@carolinaheli.com> <031501d10ce2$32fcde30$98f69a90$@carolinaheli.com> <004601d10ce8$bd48dcf0$37da96d0$@biz> <036701d10cec$e67ecd60$b37c6820$@carolinaheli.com> <007401d10cff$31c31f80$95495e80$@biz> <005501d10cff$ceced3f0$6c6c7bd0$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: It is possible to warp a speaker frame by tightening down one mounting screw all the way before equalizing the torsion on all the screws. Unfortunately BTDT. Need to get screws just barely finger tight all around before tightening further. Even then should be only tightened a half turn at a time, N S E W order until all are tight. Dropping is very bad. 73, Guy K2AV On Thursday, October 22, 2015, wrote: > I've not gotten into it yet. My speaker has never been dropped but I'll > check. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron D'Eau Claire [mailto:ron at cobi.biz ] > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:24 PM > To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com ; 'Randy Moore' > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine > > That was my experience too, with an older K2 that uses the same speaker. > The magnet is heavy enough to bend the speaker frame if it's handled too > roughly. I dropped the top cover with speaker mounted onto a wooden floor. > > I confirmed the cause by gently moving the paper speaker cone with my > fingers. If the frame is warped you can feel the voice coil rubbing on the > magnet. I was able to repair the speaker by putting a blade screwdriver > between the frame members and the magnet and twisting it slightly to move > the magnet relative to the frame. It involved a bit of trial and error to > determine which way the magnet needs to be moved so the voice coil stops > rubbing but it's not difficult. That was about 8 years ago. The speaker has > been fine ever since. > > That was without a shield on the speaker magnet but if you reach in to the > magnet (just visible inside the shield) it should work with the shield in > place. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Moore [mailto:jermo at carolinaheli.com ] On > Behalf Of ae4pb at carolinaheli.com > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 10:13 AM > To: 'Ron D'Eau Claire'; 'Randy Moore' > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine > > Yes, I found something about if the speaker frame gets warped it can > affect the speaker cone. Maybe I over-tightened the speaker and have it > warped. I'll take the cover off, remove the speaker and see what it sounds > like without being installed. If that 'fixes" the issue then I'll > investigate further. It's a minor thing but something I want to resolve. > > Jerry Moore > CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists > AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 > http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB > An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and > Patriotic. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net ] > On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:43 PM > To: 'Randy Moore' > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S speaker vibration/whine Are all the top screws > in place, including the chassis stiffener bar that is mounted on the KPA3 > shield and attaches to the top with three screws? > When assembled, there are no "vertical metal pieces that contact the top" > that are not secured by screws. > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From bw_dw at fastmail.fm Thu Oct 22 16:45:00 2015 From: bw_dw at fastmail.fm (dw) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:45:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Your suggetions on logging software Message-ID: <1445546700.1673014.417741921.63DC99E5@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi All, I've been using nGenLog for years now and really like it a bunch. The thing I like about it the most is that I can pare down the fields to minimal. I just have the new QSO entry module, the map display module, and the table displaying past QSOs Many of the logging softwares I've seen screen-shots of really appear to be bloatware with hundreds of fields taking up the whole screen. nGenLog features I am stuck on are: 1) When you type in a new call, it automatically searches for similar calls from your log. So if you type in "VK" into the entry module callsign field, it will instantly bring up all VK QSOs you have in your log. As you complete entering the callsign, if you've already had QSOs with that call, it will display those. 2) When you type in a new call, it displays the propagation path from your station to the recipient station on the displayed world map. This is my very favorite feature!! To be able to see where a potential QSO would be, displayed on a map, rather than a textual description of the country, is highly valuable to me. 3) The map shows a flat view of the world with the grey-line, which is constantly updated, being synchronized to the PC clock. Ok so nGenLog is no longer supported, and as operating systems evolve, it will soon be non-compatible. I would be grateful if anyone knows of a logging software that has the features I've listed above? Sincere Thanks N1BBR -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net From jermo at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 22 16:47:10 2015 From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:47:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Review of Fred Cady's new K3S manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008d01d10d0a$d4611020$7d233060$@carolinaheli.com> The new version or edition 2 for the K3? Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Berger Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:38 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Review of Fred Cady's new K3S manual I recently purchased Fred's manual obtained by download. Not sure if hard copy is available yet. Short version - probably the most value I've ever obtained from $25. There is no way I would ever be able to fully utilize the myriad of advantages this rig offers had I simply used the Elecraft op manual. Just the section on AGC settings in itself is enlightening. There is far more intricacies than meets the eye or in this case, the ears. Hopefully others with more time to spare who have also bought it can expand on the wealth of additional info it provides. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 22 16:49:13 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:49:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Review of Fred Cady's new K3S manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009501d10d0b$1e2e57d0$5a8b0770$@carolinaheli.com> The new version or edition 2 for the K3? Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Berger Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:38 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Review of Fred Cady's new K3S manual I recently purchased Fred's manual obtained by download. Not sure if hard copy is available yet. Short version - probably the most value I've ever obtained from $25. There is no way I would ever be able to fully utilize the myriad of advantages this rig offers had I simply used the Elecraft op manual. Just the section on AGC settings in itself is enlightening. There is far more intricacies than meets the eye or in this case, the ears. Hopefully others with more time to spare who have also bought it can expand on the wealth of additional info it provides. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From matt at nq6n.com Thu Oct 22 17:18:24 2015 From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt Murphy) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:18:24 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Corrected QST review of KSYN3A is on line. In-Reply-To: References: <1445543987729-7609468.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Any chance someone could post an excerpt? 73, Matt NQ6N On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > I just pulled that up via the web page. It IS revised. You probably need to > force refresh the page to get rid of the old version in your browser cache. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > On Thursday, October 22, 2015, Ignacy wrote: > > > No change at http://www.arrl.org/reviews-listed-by-issue > > Ignacy, NO9E > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Corrected-QST-review-of-KSYN3A-is-on-line-tp7609422p7609468.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 17:32:30 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:32:30 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Corrected QST review of KSYN3A is on line. In-Reply-To: References: <1445543987729-7609468.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <562955fc.6807430a.68590.ffffcafb@mx.google.com> That would be nice for those few Hams who do not live in the US and derive little from belong to the ARRL, who are respected everywhere I might add. Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Matt Murphy" Sent: ?23/?10/?2015 7:19 AM To: "Guy Olinger K2AV" Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" ; "Ignacy" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Corrected QST review of KSYN3A is on line. Any chance someone could post an excerpt? 73, Matt NQ6N On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > I just pulled that up via the web page. It IS revised. You probably need to > force refresh the page to get rid of the old version in your browser cache. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > On Thursday, October 22, 2015, Ignacy wrote: > > > No change at http://www.arrl.org/reviews-listed-by-issue > > Ignacy, NO9E > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Corrected-QST-review-of-KSYN3A-is-on-line-tp7609422p7609468.html > > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From kk1w.jim at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 18:01:52 2015 From: kk1w.jim at gmail.com (KK1W) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:01:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3s on rtty In-Reply-To: <000001d10c38$adfcc1e0$09f645a0$@net> References: <000601d10c02$4336d570$c9a48050$@net> <5627E05E.1020902@storm.ca> <000001d10c38$adfcc1e0$09f645a0$@net> Message-ID: <1445551312278-7609481.post@n2.nabble.com> I bought this FSK interface on eBay for under $30. Plugs into the ACC port on the K3s. Works fine with MMTTY and the built-in soundcard via USB on the K3s. I know I could build one cheaper but I'm getting lazy. eBay item number: 261934374053 Jim/KK1W Rich, Thanks for the explanation. I sure thought I could get FSK keying with the LP-Bridge but I understand what you are saying. I was using USB SignaLink with a modification to a FSKit circuit published in QST a few years back for FSK keying of my Icom Pro III and it worked well. I have used AFSK before but Still prefer FSK so I guess it's back to getting it all set up again. 73, Earl -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3s-on-rtty-tp7609382p7609481.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Thu Oct 22 18:23:23 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:23:23 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: References: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> <562878F9.8080607@gmail.com> <5628D937.3020701@subich.com> <008301d10cde$07fc3fe0$17f4bfa0$@co.uk> <032501d10ce3$b48db3b0$1da91b10$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <00cb01d10d18$48e26db0$daa74910$@co.uk> Bob has kindly answered some of Jerry's questions while I was away in town. It's about needing a range of choices in keyer behaviour (aka emulations) so that almost any experienced user can select a familiar 'feel' that allows them to start keying accurately and up to speed straight away. For that reason, K1EL's K16 keyer (correction: now costing a whole $8) offers six emulations and the LogiKeyer series offers no less than ten. Why so many? Because each one is important to somebody, and those differences *matter*. By contrast, the K3 offers only two emulations - the most minimal range of choice which falls far short of supporting all users. For the world's best CW rig, that really doesn't seem right. 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >bob finger >Sent: 22 October 2015 17:31 >To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com >Cc: Ian White; elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? > >The old LogiKey K3 keyer has 10 emulation modes. I built an AccuKeyer >way >back when and still use its emulation on the LogiKey. I would have said K3 >but that would be misleading. I've never even tried the keyer in the K3 as >I know my cw would be terrible without the AccuKeyer emulation. 73 bob >de >w9ge > >On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:07 PM, wrote: > >> Ian, >> Forgive me if these are stupid questions; >> What are you SPECIFICALLY referring to? >> So far the thread has meandered between different manufacturer >> implementations using the same names... i.e. "Mode A" and "Mode B". >> I'm not aware of any standards for modes on keyers or even anything else >> for >> that matter. Just guidelines and what's been usually done. >> >> If we want more features in Elecraft gear it's probably a trivial thing to >> just ask. >> >> What CW features specifically are NEEDED but lacking? >> >> Jerry Moore >> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists >> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 >> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB >> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and >> Patriotic. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Ian >> White >> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:26 AM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? >> >> This discussion emphasizes the oft-repeated point that the built-in keyer >> firmware (shared by the K3, K3S and KX3) is really rather basic, lacking >> many CW features that are present in a $6 Winkeyer chip for example. >> And before someone says "So get a Winkeyer already!" please remember >these >> three points: >> 1. Portability and excellent CW operation have always been prime feature >of >> the Elecraft range... but both of those claims falter if significant >> numbers >> of owners are forced to use external accessories. >> 2. Elecraft transceivers are uniquely dependent on the built-in keyer, >> which >> MUST be used when sending RTTY and PSK31 from the paddle. >> 3. We're all "wired" differently as regards high-speed fine motor skills >> - meaning that each one of us is somewhere along a very broad spectrum. >> Nobody is qualified to judge whether the built-in keyers are adequate >> through their own experience alone. >> >> 73 from Ian GM3SEK >> >> >> >______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to bobfinger1010 at gmail.com >> >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From john at kk9a.com Thu Oct 22 18:34:02 2015 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 22:34:02 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Settings Message-ID: <00b201d10d19$c15e9600$441bc200$@com> I adjusted the TX equalizer per K9YC's recommendations and listened to myself and I thought that I had this resolved. Today I received unsoiled complaints that my audio was clipping at the top. One person even sent me a video. I tried changing the high EQ settings and the mic and compression settings and the issue exists. I tried the back mic jack and was told that it may have made an improvement but the clipping still exists. Reducing the power had no effect. For those that asked, FLTX SB is FL1 (2.80) John KK9A - P40A -----Original Message----- From: john at kk9a.com [mailto:john at kk9a.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 15:52 To: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net' Subject: Mic Settings I know this subject has come up many times. I brought my new K3S to Aruba and it's my first time using it on SSB. Before my trip I listened to myself on another radio and thought that I had the settings figured out, but now I have some doubts. Yesterday on 15m I received a comment that I was hard to zero beat on SSB. Thinking it could be RFI, I switched from the small Powerwerx power supply to an old Astron and added some ferrites to the mic. Today I was on 10m a little and asked a couple of people how my audio was, one said basey and one said high. I am using a Heil HC-4 element with no equalizer settings, mic 30 compression 18. I wonder what setting other contestors are using with this element. John KK9A - P40A From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Oct 22 19:35:15 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:35:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Settings In-Reply-To: <00b201d10d19$c15e9600$441bc200$@com> References: <00b201d10d19$c15e9600$441bc200$@com> Message-ID: <562972B3.3030808@embarqmail.com> John, Have you set the mic gain properly? If so, it should not clip. You can do it in TX TEST mode so you do not bother your ham neighbors. First set the Compression to zero (important). Then set the MIC GAIN to produce 6 to 7 bars on the ALC meter - that is also important. After that, set the compression as you desire. You *can* do that by listening to the MONitor if you are using a headset. Do it all in the order specified, and you should have good audio. Just playing around with the gain and compression settings may not produce the results you want. My guess is that you are running with too much compression (and perhaps too little mic gain), and that could sound like 'clipping' on the far end of the QSO. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/22/2015 6:34 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > I adjusted the TX equalizer per K9YC's recommendations and listened to > myself and I thought that I had this resolved. Today I received unsoiled > complaints that my audio was clipping at the top. One person even sent me a > video. I tried changing the high EQ settings and the mic and compression > settings and the issue exists. I tried the back mic jack and was told that > it may have made an improvement but the clipping still exists. Reducing the > power had no effect. For those that asked, FLTX SB is FL1 (2.80) > > From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Oct 22 19:53:50 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:53:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Corrected QST KSYN3A review article (link) In-Reply-To: <8D235EDF-0F78-4600-8995-29D1DECF21ED@elecraft.com> References: <8D235EDF-0F78-4600-8995-29D1DECF21ED@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <56D40273-07DA-4828-BAD5-A9BFBFC7F02A@elecraft.com> A corrected version of QST's KSYN3A review article can be obtained here: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/QST%20KSYN3A%20revised.pdf Figures 10 and 11 have been updated by the ARRL to show the KSYN3A's actual transmit phase noise. As you can see, relative to the original synth, the KSYN3A has far lower noise at close offsets (toward the left end of the graph), and nearly identical noise at wider offsets (toward the right). As I mentioned previously, this is a *transmit* phase noise plot. Phase noise is even lower right at the output of the synth module itself, accounting for the KSYN3A's outstanding RMDR (reciprocal mixing dynamic range, which applies to receive mode). Feel free to share this, print it, frame it, blog about it, discuss it over dinner with friends, etc. You have our blessing as well as that of the ARRL :) 73, Wayne N6KR From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 20:03:32 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:03:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Settings In-Reply-To: <00b201d10d19$c15e9600$441bc200$@com> References: <00b201d10d19$c15e9600$441bc200$@com> Message-ID: Hi John, The proper settings of MIC gain, CMP, and TX equalizer settings vary ENORMOUSLY from person to person. This is due to the enormous variation in people's voices, including variation in inflection across international settings. Using someone else's MIC/CMP/TXEQ settings is like borrowing their shoes and hoping they fit. If one has the KDVR3 installed, the easiest way to adjust audio settings for quality is to record a message at a settings combination, and then play it back over MON with TX set to TEST. You will be hearing what they hear, IF the physical transmit circuitry does not have some problem needing repair. Twiddle until it sounds clear and full. Over the years I was constantly told my voice was "unclear" or "muddied". After the K3 it took a while with the KDVR3 to figure out that the highs in my voice were so soft, that anything on the band would cover them up. Using the TX EQ to push the lows way down and the highs way up got my sibilant energy up even with the rest of my voice. It was very easy to hear when there was too much CMP. There is rather a difference between me in person and me over the air after KDVR3. One friend said that didn't sound like me over the radio, but whoever really was on the mic sounded very clear and was easy to understand. A spectrum display of the resultant voice shows that the energy is spread fairly evenly from low to high, and the level is kept high. Outside of the K3 I don't do any munging of the voice at all other than keeping a relatively consistent volume, and managing pauses in sound files for N1MM. I let the KDVR3 handle the audio shaping, compression and equalization. That way I get the same thing from N1MM as from the hand mike, as from the M1 through M4 message buttons. I'll not be telling you my settings, because they are different for everyone. Almost for certain you can't wear my shoes either. :>) 73, Guy K2AV On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 6:34 PM, wrote: > I adjusted the TX equalizer per K9YC's recommendations and listened to > myself and I thought that I had this resolved. Today I received unsoiled > complaints that my audio was clipping at the top. One person even sent me > a > video. I tried changing the high EQ settings and the mic and compression > settings and the issue exists. I tried the back mic jack and was told that > it may have made an improvement but the clipping still exists. Reducing > the > power had no effect. For those that asked, FLTX SB is FL1 (2.80) > > John KK9A - P40A > > > -----Original Message----- > From: john at kk9a.com [mailto:john at kk9a.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 15:52 > To: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net' > Subject: Mic Settings > > I know this subject has come up many times. I brought my new K3S to Aruba > and it's my first time using it on SSB. Before my trip I listened to > myself > on another radio and thought that I had the settings figured out, but now I > have some doubts. Yesterday on 15m I received a comment that I was hard to > zero beat on SSB. Thinking it could be RFI, I switched from the small > Powerwerx power supply to an old Astron and added some ferrites to the mic. > Today I was on 10m a little and asked a couple of people how my audio was, > one said basey and one said high. I am using a Heil HC-4 element with no > equalizer settings, mic 30 compression 18. I wonder what setting other > contestors are using with this element. > > John KK9A - P40A > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From K2TK at att.net Thu Oct 22 20:20:10 2015 From: K2TK at att.net (Bob) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:20:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working In-Reply-To: <56291C05.5000202@gmail.com> References: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> <3708C0DA-9249-408A-A38B-627E8328F0DE@me.com> <5628D8C2.90200@gmail.com> <56291C05.5000202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56297D3A.4090400@att.net> That may not be necessary. I'm working from memory which is a horrible thing to try and use but if I recall correctly each of the 9 pin connectors have jumpers on each pin. Some time ago when I had installation troubles with mine I determined what was actually needed in my case and removed all unnecessary jumpers. Bingo! All issues went away... I did not try to determine what connections were the problem I had a PC connected thru a USB to RS232 convertor and the K3 Aux buss on the other port. Both now remain connected even when not it use. My KRC controls an Array Solution Six Pack.. It has an added switch so can do fully automatic switching or manual override. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 10/22/2015 1:25 PM, Gordon LaPoint wrote: > Byron, > Thanks! I will check my serial cable pinout, I think I'm using a > straight thru with all pins connectd. I may have to make a cable with just > the pins connected that the manual specifies. > > Gordon - N1MGO > > On 10/22/2015 01:21 PM, Byron Servies wrote: >> Hi Gordon, >> >> I recently, and finally, got to the point where I needed to set up >> band maps in my KRC2. I also use PCIe serial cards and Windows 10 and >> the problem I had was the cable. Once I built a cable using exactly >> the pinouts in the KRC2 manual (instead of cables I had laying >> around), it worked fine, as did the firmware update. >> >> Sorry I cannot be of more help, but that is what worked for me. >> >> 73, Byron N6NUL >> > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Oct 22 20:43:49 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:43:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Settings In-Reply-To: <562972B3.3030808@embarqmail.com> References: <00b201d10d19$c15e9600$441bc200$@com> <562972B3.3030808@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <562982C5.5090504@blomand.net> My experience is exactly as Don suggests. Proper order in doing this is very important. My experience is the CMP value as displayed should not exceed 10 on the meter scale. I normally run about 2 to 3 bars. And yes listening to ones signal in TEST mode and using headphones does work for this evaluation. If, on the air, one gets comments about distortion or clipping or what ever, and if reducing power by 50% or more does clear it up, then I would strongly suspect RF getting back into the TX audio. That's a different issue to resolve. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 10/22/2015 6:35 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > John, > > Have you set the mic gain properly? If so, it should not clip. > You can do it in TX TEST mode so you do not bother your ham neighbors. > > First set the Compression to zero (important). > Then set the MIC GAIN to produce 6 to 7 bars on the ALC meter - that > is also important. > After that, set the compression as you desire. You *can* do that by > listening to the MONitor if you are using a headset. > > Do it all in the order specified, and you should have good audio. Just > playing around with the gain and compression settings may not produce > the results you want. > > My guess is that you are running with too much compression (and > perhaps too little mic gain), and that could sound like 'clipping' on > the far end of the QSO. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From va3mw at portcredit.net Thu Oct 22 21:19:40 2015 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:19:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Settings In-Reply-To: <562982C5.5090504@blomand.net> References: <00b201d10d19$c15e9600$441bc200$@com> <562972B3.3030808@embarqmail.com> <562982C5.5090504@blomand.net> Message-ID: Just to reinforce one very key part. ALC settings are key. Talk in a normal voice and then ensure that the ALC is just kicking around 5 bars. If it moves just once in a while, that is OK and the proper setting. ALC stands for automatic level control. Once it starts to move, the radio is already starting to adjust (down) the audio level (sort of like a governor in a car/truck). In effect, it is reducing the mic gain dynamically. >From there, you can play with the other settings. Do NOT watch your watt meter even though that is what we all want to do. :) I hope that helps, Mike va3mw p.s. Also on Elecraft's web page: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm#SSB Power control and ALC metering MIC GAIN SETTING: Adjust MIC gain for an ALC meter peak at around 5 to 7 bars during normal speech (rev. D owner's manual, page 28). This applies even to TX TEST mode, meaning you can set it off-air. This indication does not mean that you're "hitting the ALC really hard." When you get to around 5 bars, you'll be "tickling" the DSP's ALC. More on this below. ALC METERING: The K3's ALC meter is a bar graph, not an analog meter, and we felt that 5 bars would provide the right granularity at the target ALC level. The 5th bar of the ALC scale is heavier than the others, serving as a reminder of the this level. ALC DESIGN GOAL: The K3 was designed to minimize transmit splatter and other effects that plague some rigs. To achieve this, we apply all ALC *before* the crystal filter, and minimize the application of ALC in general. The levels have been carefully calibrated to that 5-to-7-bar level mentioned above. The result is that the crystal and DSP filters remove the types of artifacts that in many other rigs end up as transmitted wideband noise or clicks. I believe this is why we continue to hear excellent reports from K3 users regarding their on-the-air SSB signals. (We've also heard, from some experts in the subject, that the K3's compression is among the most effective they've ever measured.) On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: > My experience is exactly as Don suggests. Proper order in doing this is > very important. My experience is the CMP value as displayed should not > exceed 10 on the meter scale. I normally run about 2 to 3 bars. And > yes listening to ones signal in TEST mode and using headphones does work > for this evaluation. > > If, on the air, one gets comments about distortion or clipping or what > ever, and if reducing power by 50% or more does clear it up, then I would > strongly suspect RF getting back into the TX audio. That's a different > issue to resolve. > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > K3S s/n 10163 > > > On 10/22/2015 6:35 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> John, >> >> Have you set the mic gain properly? If so, it should not clip. >> You can do it in TX TEST mode so you do not bother your ham neighbors. >> >> First set the Compression to zero (important). >> Then set the MIC GAIN to produce 6 to 7 bars on the ALC meter - that is >> also important. >> After that, set the compression as you desire. You *can* do that by >> listening to the MONitor if you are using a headset. >> >> Do it all in the order specified, and you should have good audio. Just >> playing around with the gain and compression settings may not produce the >> results you want. >> >> My guess is that you are running with too much compression (and perhaps >> too little mic gain), and that could sound like 'clipping' on the far end >> of the QSO. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 22 21:54:23 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:54:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: <00cb01d10d18$48e26db0$daa74910$@co.uk> References: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> <562878F9.8080607@gmail.com> <5628D937.3020701@subich.com> <008301d10cde$07fc3fe0$17f4bfa0$@co.uk> <032501d10ce3$b48db3b0$1da91b10$@carolinaheli.com> <00cb01d10d18$48e26db0$daa74910$@co.uk> Message-ID: <012d01d10d35$c076e460$4164ad20$@carolinaheli.com> I asked for specifics so we can suggest/ask Elecraft for them and all I've seen so far is generalities referring to emulation modes. Why so vague? Why don't you guys just specifically ask for what you want? You guys are coming across as smug and arrogant. I'm sure that's not your intent. Ask specifically for what you want or ask Eric to close the thread. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. From ky7k at cox.net Thu Oct 22 22:00:07 2015 From: ky7k at cox.net (ky7k) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:00:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: References: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> <562878F9.8080607@gmail.com> <5628D937.3020701@subich.com> <008301d10cde$07fc3fe0$17f4bfa0$@co.uk> <032501d10ce3$b48db3b0$1da91b10$@carolinaheli.com> <00cb01d10d18$48e26db0$daa74910$@co.uk> Message-ID: <912AECB0-AB6C-4E98-B7C4-5D5860054AF3@cox.net> Ultimatic mode, in addition to Iambic A and B. > On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:54 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > > I asked for specifics so we can suggest/ask Elecraft for them and all I've > seen so far is generalities referring to emulation modes. > Why so vague? Why don't you guys just specifically ask for what you want? > > You guys are coming across as smug and arrogant. I'm sure that's not your > intent. > Ask specifically for what you want or ask Eric to close the thread. > > > Jerry Moore > CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists > AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 > http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB > An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and > Patriotic. > > Steve - KY7K ky7k at arrl.net Get OUT and play radio! From k.alexander at rogers.com Thu Oct 22 22:10:22 2015 From: k.alexander at rogers.com (Ken Alexander) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 22:10:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: <912AECB0-AB6C-4E98-B7C4-5D5860054AF3@cox.net> References: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> <562878F9.8080607@gmail.com> <5628D937.3020701@subich.com> <008301d10cde$07fc3fe0$17f4bfa0$@co.uk> <032501d10ce3$b48db3b0$1da91b10$@carolinaheli.com> <00cb01d10d18$48e26db0$daa74910$@co.uk> <912AECB0-AB6C-4E98-B7C4-5D5860054AF3@cox.net> Message-ID: <5629970E.8050209@rogers.com> Maybe Wayne and Eric should talk to K1EL about licensing (or whatever it is one has to do) so they can use his famous $8.00 keyer chip in their transceivers. K1EL would make a little money and Elecraft would set themselves even further ahead of the pack by providing just about any keyer you can imagine right out of the box! 73, Ken Alexander VE3HLS On 2015-10-22 10:00 PM, ky7k wrote: > Ultimatic mode, in addition to Iambic A and B. > > >> On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:54 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: >> >> I asked for specifics so we can suggest/ask Elecraft for them and all I've >> seen so far is generalities referring to emulation modes. >> Why so vague? Why don't you guys just specifically ask for what you want? >> >> You guys are coming across as smug and arrogant. I'm sure that's not your >> intent. >> Ask specifically for what you want or ask Eric to close the thread. >> >> >> Jerry Moore >> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists >> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 >> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB >> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and >> Patriotic. >> >> > Steve - KY7K > ky7k at arrl.net > Get OUT and play radio! > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k.alexander at rogers.com > From ve3rrd at sympatico.ca Thu Oct 22 22:14:04 2015 From: ve3rrd at sympatico.ca (Al Duncan) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 22:14:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Your suggetions on logging software In-Reply-To: <1445546700.1673014.417741921.63DC99E5@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1445546700.1673014.417741921.63DC99E5@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <24214B2F85BC48DCB73A387566F50CCC@delle520> My favorite logging/control software that I use with my KX3 and a Windows 7 laptop is Log4OM by IW3HMH, see: http://www.log4om.com/ . It is extremely powerful yet easy to use, and best of all its free! 73, AL - VE3RRD -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of dw Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:45 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Your suggetions on logging software Hi All, I've been using nGenLog for years now and really like it a bunch. The thing I like about it the most is that I can pare down the fields to minimal. I just have the new QSO entry module, the map display module, and the table displaying past QSOs Many of the logging softwares I've seen screen-shots of really appear to be bloatware with hundreds of fields taking up the whole screen. nGenLog features I am stuck on are: 1) When you type in a new call, it automatically searches for similar calls from your log. So if you type in "VK" into the entry module callsign field, it will instantly bring up all VK QSOs you have in your log. As you complete entering the callsign, if you've already had QSOs with that call, it will display those. 2) When you type in a new call, it displays the propagation path from your station to the recipient station on the displayed world map. This is my very favorite feature!! To be able to see where a potential QSO would be, displayed on a map, rather than a textual description of the country, is highly valuable to me. 3) The map shows a flat view of the world with the grey-line, which is constantly updated, being synchronized to the PC clock. Ok so nGenLog is no longer supported, and as operating systems evolve, it will soon be non-compatible. I would be grateful if anyone knows of a logging software that has the features I've listed above? Sincere Thanks N1BBR -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 22 22:25:06 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 22:25:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: <5629970E.8050209@rogers.com> References: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> <562878F9.8080607@gmail.com> <5628D937.3020701@subich.com> <008301d10cde$07fc3fe0$17f4bfa0$@co.uk> <032501d10ce3$b48db3b0$1da91b10$@carolinaheli.com> <00cb01d10d18$48e26db0$daa74910$@co.uk> <912AECB0-AB6C-4E98-B7C4-5D5860054AF3@cox.net> <5629970E.8050209@rogers.com> Message-ID: <013401d10d3a$08d7a6f0$1a86f4d0$@carolinaheli.com> Because MCU does the heavy lifting right now and integrates with a ton of other features in the rig (per the manual). It would likely be much simpler to modify the keyer code, add variables, add settings, add the settings to mapped memory, add the memory locations to the menu and utility. I have no actual clue how they do things but based on my knowledge and experience that's what makes sense to me. It's not a trivial change which is why I was saying to be specific. I don't believe they can straight out copy someone else's mode, however, they can likely mimic the behavior *shrug*. It's probably a good time for this one to close.. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken Alexander Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 10:10 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? Maybe Wayne and Eric should talk to K1EL about licensing (or whatever it is one has to do) so they can use his famous $8.00 keyer chip in their transceivers. K1EL would make a little money and Elecraft would set themselves even further ahead of the pack by providing just about any keyer you can imagine right out of the box! 73, Ken Alexander VE3HLS From ron at cobi.biz Thu Oct 22 23:01:39 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:01:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: <012d01d10d35$c076e460$4164ad20$@carolinaheli.com> References: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> <562878F9.8080607@gmail.com> <5628D937.3020701@subich.com> <008301d10cde$07fc3fe0$17f4bfa0$@co.uk> <032501d10ce3$b48db3b0$1da91b10$@carolinaheli.com> <00cb01d10d18$48e26db0$daa74910$@co.uk> <012d01d10d35$c076e460$4164ad20$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <000c01d10d3f$23c3cbb0$6b4b6310$@biz> May I suggest that there are as many "flavors" of keyers and key timings as there are Hams. Back in my non-Amateur brass pounding days in Military and maritime work we each had our own "bug" which we carried to our jobs. Woe to him who would dare to touch another operator's key, because the springs, contacts and throw adjustments had been set for the owner's fist. Moving on to electronic and squeeze keying I, like many others, built my own homebrew keyer. It my case it was an "Accukeyer" which used what is now called Mode A. Once again, my key(er) and paddles travelled with me. I was pleased to discover, when I built my first Ele-rig in 2000 (a K2), that its keyer worked just fine with my "fist" trained on the Accukeyer. But, even back in 2000, there were those who said subtle timing differences between what they were used to and the Elecraft keying algorithm was troubling. A big part of it is the setup of the paddles, but after 15 years of this being discussed on this very reflector, there may be more to it. You do have the opportunity to adjust the dash/dot ratio in the MENU of a K3, K3S or KX3 (MENU:CW WGHT). That will affect the overall timing. Beyond that, I recommend playing with the throw (contact spacing) and spring tension on your paddles. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:54 PM To: 'Ian White'; 'bob finger'; ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? I asked for specifics so we can suggest/ask Elecraft for them and all I've seen so far is generalities referring to emulation modes. Why so vague? Why don't you guys just specifically ask for what you want? You guys are coming across as smug and arrogant. I'm sure that's not your intent. Ask specifically for what you want or ask Eric to close the thread. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Oct 22 23:54:05 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:54:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Settings In-Reply-To: <00b201d10d19$c15e9600$441bc200$@com> References: <00b201d10d19$c15e9600$441bc200$@com> Message-ID: <5629AF5D.9070406@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,10/22/2015 3:34 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > Today I received unsoiled > complaints that my audio was clipping at the top. Your audio was very clean here and you were solid copy except for occasional QRM, but the path was not great, so not good enough for me to hear clip or splatter. EQ sounds very good for contesting. Don has given you excellent advice about setting levels. Audio can be "clipping at the top" if a power amp is overdriven or not properly tuned. Some general things I've learned over the years, mostly from K6XX. One reason he made sure I learned it is that we're neighbors, and could make life miserable for each other if we goof. :) 1) NEVER depend on ALC between an amp and the rig to set drive level -- it's a recipe for clipping and splatter. Always reduce output from the transceiver using the power setting control. 2) ALL power amps need to be matched to their load. A poorly matched amp will splatter or click. Tube amps can be matched to reasonably well-matched antennas by the output networks within the amps. 3) Be sure you understand the difference between "auto-tune" which correctly finds the right match, and "auto-recall" which simply recalls the last settings you used on that band, and are only as good as that last tuning you did. Study the manual to figure out which kind of amp you have. :) I don't know the ACOM 2000. As I understand it, the Alpha 87A is in the auto-recall category. 4) Solid state "no-tune" amps NEED an antenna tuner to match them to antennas that are not 1:1. Without that tuner, their distortion will increase and they will splatter or click. 73, Jim K9YC From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 01:49:00 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 08:49:00 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: <012d01d10d35$c076e460$4164ad20$@carolinaheli.com> References: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> <562878F9.8080607@gmail.com> <5628D937.3020701@subich.com> <008301d10cde$07fc3fe0$17f4bfa0$@co.uk> <032501d10ce3$b48db3b0$1da91b10$@carolinaheli.com> <00cb01d10d18$48e26db0$daa74910$@co.uk> <012d01d10d35$c076e460$4164ad20$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <62147CE8-CA91-4430-8FCF-4155569719D0@gmail.com> I want Logikey-type mode B. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On 23 Oct 2015, at 4:54 AM, wrote: > > I asked for specifics so we can suggest/ask Elecraft for them and all I've > seen so far is generalities referring to emulation modes. > Why so vague? Why don't you guys just specifically ask for what you want? > > You guys are coming across as smug and arrogant. I'm sure that's not your > intent. > Ask specifically for what you want or ask Eric to close the thread. > > > Jerry Moore > CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists > AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 > http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB > An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and > Patriotic. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From G0ORH at sky.com Fri Oct 23 03:15:26 2015 From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 08:15:26 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Corrected QST review of KSYN3A is on line. In-Reply-To: <562955fc.6807430a.68590.ffffcafb@mx.google.com> References: <1445543987729-7609468.post@n2.nabble.com> <562955fc.6807430a.68590.ffffcafb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <469B31A0-C7FE-410C-A934-5A1076DFD2A0@sky.com> I asked Wayne exactly that! He say he would post it on the web site, once confirmed! Ken.. G0ORH Sent from my iPad > On 22 Oct 2015, at 22:32, Gary wrote: > > That would be nice for those few Hams who do not live in the US and derive little from belong to the ARRL, who are respected everywhere I might add. > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Matt Murphy" > Sent: ?23/?10/?2015 7:19 AM > To: "Guy Olinger K2AV" > Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" ; "Ignacy" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Corrected QST review of KSYN3A is on line. > > Any chance someone could post an excerpt? > > 73, > Matt NQ6N > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV > wrote: > >> I just pulled that up via the web page. It IS revised. You probably need to >> force refresh the page to get rid of the old version in your browser cache. >> >> 73, Guy K2AV >> >>> On Thursday, October 22, 2015, Ignacy wrote: >>> >>> No change at http://www.arrl.org/reviews-listed-by-issue >>> Ignacy, NO9E >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Corrected-QST-review-of-KSYN3A-is-on-line-tp7609422p7609468.html >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to g0orh at sky.com From G0ORH at sky.com Fri Oct 23 04:53:41 2015 From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:53:41 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: <5629970E.8050209@rogers.com> References: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> <562878F9.8080607@gmail.com> <5628D937.3020701@subich.com> <008301d10cde$07fc3fe0$17f4bfa0$@co.uk> <032501d10ce3$b48db3b0$1da91b10$@carolinaheli.com> <00cb01d10d18$48e26db0$daa74910$@co.uk> <912AECB0-AB6C-4E98-B7C4-5D5860054AF3@cox.net> <5629970E.8050209@rogers.com> Message-ID: <17CD3C97-67DE-43EF-BF6A-1CE03C25CD48@sky.com> Hi Ken I like your idea too, would be fab having the K1EL chip in the Elecraft K3. Ken.. G0ORH Sent from my iPad > On 23 Oct 2015, at 03:10, Ken Alexander wrote: > > Maybe Wayne and Eric should talk to K1EL about licensing (or whatever it is one has to do) so they can use his famous $8.00 keyer chip in their transceivers. K1EL would make a little money and Elecraft would set themselves even further ahead of the pack by providing just about any keyer you can imagine right out of the box! > > 73, > Ken Alexander > VE3HLS > > > >> On 2015-10-22 10:00 PM, ky7k wrote: >> Ultimatic mode, in addition to Iambic A and B. >> >> >>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:54 PM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: >>> >>> I asked for specifics so we can suggest/ask Elecraft for them and all I've >>> seen so far is generalities referring to emulation modes. >>> Why so vague? Why don't you guys just specifically ask for what you want? >>> >>> You guys are coming across as smug and arrogant. I'm sure that's not your >>> intent. >>> Ask specifically for what you want or ask Eric to close the thread. >>> >>> >>> Jerry Moore >>> CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists >>> AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 >>> http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB >>> An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and >>> Patriotic. >> Steve - KY7K >> ky7k at arrl.net >> Get OUT and play radio! >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k.alexander at rogers.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to g0orh at sky.com From juhani.viitala at saunalahti.fi Fri Oct 23 06:29:44 2015 From: juhani.viitala at saunalahti.fi (Juhani Viitala) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:29:44 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and TrueTTY Message-ID: <562A0C18.1060101@saunalahti.fi> Is there anyone using K3s and the best RTTY program TrueTTY? John OH3SR From ppauly at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 07:15:15 2015 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:15:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 audio noise Message-ID: 1. On my K3S I'm getting audio noise over the USB connection in the upper part of every band as shown on the WSJT-X JT65 graph. The WARC bands seem to be shifted. I am using the 6K AM filter. Any idea what is causing this? This has to be affecting the ability to decode weak signals. The noise is present even when connected to a dummy load. Here's a picture of what it looks like on several bands: http://imgur.com/8c2ds2q 2. Is there any way to increase my filter bandwidth to be wider than 4K? Shouldn't I be able to get 6K with the AM filter? Thanks From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Fri Oct 23 07:17:07 2015 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 06:17:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] When is mode A not mode A? In-Reply-To: <5629970E.8050209@rogers.com> References: <504273F2F3D24DB4A3EEC5E84B5B7530@ROGERN> <562878F9.8080607@gmail.com> <5628D937.3020701@subich.com> <008301d10cde$07fc3fe0$17f4bfa0$@co.uk> <032501d10ce3$b48db3b0$1da91b10$@carolinaheli.com> <00cb01d10d18$48e26db0$daa74910$@co.uk> <912AECB0-AB6C-4E98-B7C4-5D5860054AF3@cox.net> <5629970E.8050209@rogers.com> Message-ID: <562A1733.90607@mediacombb.net> I suggested this when the K3 was introduced. I had just started using the Winkey USB with my K2/100 and loved it. I still use it. It has Bug, Ultimatic, Curtis A and B emulation. Maybe they'd save a little DSP code space by offloading CW generation to the K1EL product. There is a reason why a lot of contesters use K1EL products, every single piece of contesting and shack management software incorporates support for the product, and most every single digital mode interface on the market incorporates a K1EL chip in the box to generate CW. Why reinvent the wheel? On 10/22/2015 9:10 PM, Ken Alexander wrote: > Maybe Wayne and Eric should talk to K1EL about licensing (or whatever > it is one has to do) so they can use his famous $8.00 keyer chip in > their transceivers. K1EL would make a little money and Elecraft would > set themselves even further ahead of the pack by providing just about > any keyer you can imagine right out of the box! > > 73, > Ken Alexander > VE3HLS -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 From ppauly at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 07:56:02 2015 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:56:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Corrected QST review of KSYN3A is on line. In-Reply-To: <469B31A0-C7FE-410C-A934-5A1076DFD2A0@sky.com> References: <1445543987729-7609468.post@n2.nabble.com> <562955fc.6807430a.68590.ffffcafb@mx.google.com> <469B31A0-C7FE-410C-A934-5A1076DFD2A0@sky.com> Message-ID: Elecraft tweeted this link this morning: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/QST%20KSYN3A%20revised.pdf On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Ken Chandler wrote: > I asked Wayne exactly that! > He say he would post it on the web site, once confirmed! > > Ken.. G0ORH > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 22 Oct 2015, at 22:32, Gary wrote: > > > > That would be nice for those few Hams who do not live in the US and > derive little from belong to the ARRL, who are respected everywhere I might > add. > > Gary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Matt Murphy" > > Sent: ?23/?10/?2015 7:19 AM > > To: "Guy Olinger K2AV" > > Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" ; "Ignacy" < > no9e at arrl.net> > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Corrected QST review of KSYN3A is on line. > > > > Any chance someone could post an excerpt? > > > > 73, > > Matt NQ6N > > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 10:27 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV > > wrote: > > > >> I just pulled that up via the web page. It IS revised. You probably > need to > >> force refresh the page to get rid of the old version in your browser > cache. > >> > >> 73, Guy K2AV > >> > >>> On Thursday, October 22, 2015, Ignacy wrote: > >>> > >>> No change at http://www.arrl.org/reviews-listed-by-issue > >>> Ignacy, NO9E > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> View this message in context: > >> > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Corrected-QST-review-of-KSYN3A-is-on-line-tp7609422p7609468.html > >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list > >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >>> > >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >>> Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to matt at nq6n.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to g0orh at sky.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ppauly at gmail.com > From n3xx at charter.net Fri Oct 23 08:00:43 2015 From: n3xx at charter.net (N3XX) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 08:00:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 audio noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562A216B.2010701@charter.net> Do you have "Flatten" checked in the Wide Graph window? If so, try unchecking it. 73, Tim - N3XX On 10/23/2015 7:15 AM, Peter Pauly wrote: > 1. On my K3S I'm getting audio noise over the USB connection in the upper > part of every band as shown on the WSJT-X JT65 graph. The WARC bands seem > to be shifted. I am using the 6K AM filter. Any idea what is causing this? > This has to be affecting the ability to decode weak signals. The noise is > present even when connected to a dummy load. Here's a picture of what it > looks like on several bands: > > http://imgur.com/8c2ds2q > > > 2. Is there any way to increase my filter bandwidth to be wider than 4K? > Shouldn't I be able to get 6K with the AM filter? > > Thanks > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n3xx at charter.net > From efortner at ctc.net Fri Oct 23 09:50:55 2015 From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:50:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 not communication through RS232 cable Message-ID: <003401d10d99$d719e190$854da4b0$@net> My Pc has the svga installed when I put the kit together but I do not have a monitor installed for svga yet. I originally was able to download the firmware using the usb a/b cable and my computer. The usb a/b cable is now connected to the K3s usb port and using the lp-bridge for rig control/ logging. The P3 is seeing signals and waterfall but does not display the VFO A frequency in the center of P3 display, Instead it show 0 in center and + - 19.5 on each end of display. The P3 is port connected to the K3s with the RS232 cables included. I cannot connect to the utilites or Elecraft through the supplied cables. What am I missing here? Earl, K4KAY From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 10:08:56 2015 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:08:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 audio noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562A3F78.9030406@gmail.com> The DSP code in the K3 and K3S limits the audio bandwidth to about 4.2 kHz, and that won't be changing in any significant way. 73, Lyle KK7P > 2. Is there any way to increase my filter bandwidth to be wider than 4K? > Shouldn't I be able to get 6K with the AM filter? From fcady at montana.edu Fri Oct 23 10:53:15 2015 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:53:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 not communication through RS232 cable In-Reply-To: <003401d10d99$d719e190$854da4b0$@net> References: <003401d10d99$d719e190$854da4b0$@net> Message-ID: Make sure the RJ45 connector is snapped into the RS232/P3 RJ45 socket. You should hear a distinctive snap when it is inserted properly. cheers, Fred KE7X Author of: ?The Elecraft K3S and P3 ? Getting the Most out from Your High Performance Station?. "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Portable Elecraft KX3 ? Going for the Summit with the KX3 and KX3-2M/4M" ?The Elecraft KX-Line ? The Complete Station? ?The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 ? the K-Line Dream Station? Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com PDF files available from www.ke7x.com ?The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters ? Assembling the KX3-Line Station? printed copy available at www.lulu.com and pdf from www.ke7x.com. Plus a book dedicated to the K3S upgrades for the K3 and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book are works in progress. Free guides at ke7x.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of efortner Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 7:50 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] P3 not communication through RS232 cable My Pc has the svga installed when I put the kit together but I do not have a monitor installed for svga yet. I originally was able to download the firmware using the usb a/b cable and my computer. The usb a/b cable is now connected to the K3s usb port and using the lp-bridge for rig control/ logging. The P3 is seeing signals and waterfall but does not display the VFO A frequency in the center of P3 display, Instead it show 0 in center and + - 19.5 on each end of display. The P3 is port connected to the K3s with the RS232 cables included. I cannot connect to the utilites or Elecraft through the supplied cables. What am I missing here? Earl, K4KAY ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From wa6tla at icloud.com Fri Oct 23 13:57:00 2015 From: wa6tla at icloud.com (Elliott Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:57:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Filter Settings Main and Sub Receiver Track For Data Mode Only In-Reply-To: References: <003401d10d99$d719e190$854da4b0$@net> Message-ID: Using the latest K3 firmware MCU 5.35 for my K3 (not K3S). In the Data mode only, setting the bandwidth of the main receiver also causes the subreceiver bandwidth to track and be identical. The BSET control XFIL for Data has no effect. In CW and SSB modes the main receiver XFIL can be adjusted and the subreceiver XFIL changed independently using BSET. This was definitely not the case for previous firmware versions. This operation is not band dependent. I have checked all of the firmware notes and the latest K3S manual and can?t find anything to explain this operation. Am I missing something? Is this a new and unwanted improvement? Thanks for your comments. 73 Elliott WA6TLA From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Fri Oct 23 14:35:13 2015 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:35:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] possible hurricane - based noise? Message-ID: <562A7DE1.9090804@sunflower.com> Hey All, If you have a Panadapter attached to your K3, take a look at the bottom portion of the 20-meter CW band. It kinda looks like a CW contest spread but it is all noise spikes. Wondering if that cat 5 hurricane about to hit Mexico is the cause? It was not there when I worked W9ZN in Chicago earlier this morning. Uncle Phil, W0XI --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From k2mk at comcast.net Fri Oct 23 14:56:18 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:56:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Filter Settings Main and Sub Receiver Track For Data Mode Only In-Reply-To: References: <003401d10d99$d719e190$854da4b0$@net> Message-ID: <1445626578927-7609509.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Elliott, I tested MCU 5.33 and could not duplicate your problem. I noticed that the latest production release firmware is 5.38. I loaded 5.38 and again tested and still could not duplicate your problem. So maybe the problem was only present with MCU 5.35. Another possibility is that you accidentally put the K3 into Diversity mode. In diversity the Sub RX filters are always the same as the Main RX filters. A quick test is to press BSET and then press XFIL. If the word "=MAIN" appears in the lower display then you are in diversity. 73, Mike K2MK Elliott Lawrence-5 wrote > Using the latest K3 firmware MCU 5.35 for my K3 (not K3S). In the Data > mode only, setting the bandwidth of the main receiver also causes the > subreceiver bandwidth to track and be identical. The BSET control XFIL for > Data has no effect. In CW and SSB modes the main receiver XFIL can be > adjusted and the subreceiver XFIL changed independently using BSET. This > was definitely not the case for previous firmware versions. This > operation is not band dependent. > > I have checked all of the firmware notes and the latest K3S manual and > can?t find anything to explain this operation. Am I missing something? > Is this a new and unwanted improvement? > > Thanks for your comments. > 73 > Elliott WA6TLA -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-not-communication-through-RS232-cable-tp7609504p7609509.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ab2tc at arrl.net Fri Oct 23 15:17:28 2015 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:17:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] possible hurricane - based noise? In-Reply-To: <562A7DE1.9090804@sunflower.com> References: <562A7DE1.9090804@sunflower.com> Message-ID: <1445627848214-7609510.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Nothing unusual heard or seen at the bottom of the 20m CW band here in CNY. AB2TC - Knut Phil Anderson wrote > Hey All, > > If you have a Panadapter attached to your K3, take a look at the bottom > portion of the 20-meter CW band. It kinda looks like a CW contest spread > but it is all noise spikes. Wondering if that cat 5 hurricane about to > hit Mexico is the cause? It was not there when I worked W9ZN in Chicago > earlier this morning. > > Uncle Phil, W0XI > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/possible-hurricane-based-noise-tp7609508p7609510.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wa6tla at icloud.com Fri Oct 23 15:39:43 2015 From: wa6tla at icloud.com (Elliott Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:39:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Filter Settings Main and Sub Receiver Track For Data Mode Only In-Reply-To: References: <003401d10d99$d719e190$854da4b0$@net> Message-ID: Changing to MCU 5.38 did not solve the problem. Need to contact K3 support! 73 Elliott WA6TLA On Oct 23, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Elliott Lawrence wrote: > Using the latest K3 firmware MCU 5.35 for my K3 (not K3S). In the Data mode only, setting the bandwidth of the main receiver also causes the subreceiver bandwidth to track and be identical. The BSET control XFIL for Data has no effect. In CW and SSB modes the main receiver XFIL can be adjusted and the subreceiver XFIL changed independently using BSET. This was definitely not the case for previous firmware versions. This operation is not band dependent. > > I have checked all of the firmware notes and the latest K3S manual and can?t find anything to explain this operation. Am I missing something? Is this a new and unwanted improvement? > > Thanks for your comments. > 73 > Elliott WA6TLA > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6tla at icloud.com From k2mk at comcast.net Fri Oct 23 17:06:41 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:06:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Filter Settings Main and Sub Receiver Track For Data Mode Only In-Reply-To: References: <003401d10d99$d719e190$854da4b0$@net> Message-ID: <1445634401147-7609512.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Elliott, Here's a long-shot. Take a look at your filter selection for your SUB RX using the K3 Utility program. Maybe you only have one filter enabled for DATA mode. 73, Mike K2MK Elliott Lawrence-5 wrote > Changing to MCU 5.38 did not solve the problem. Need to contact K3 > support! > 73 > Elliott WA6TLA -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-not-communication-through-RS232-cable-tp7609504p7609512.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2av.guy at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 17:09:04 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:09:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Filter Settings Main and Sub Receiver Track For Data Mode Only In-Reply-To: References: <003401d10d99$d719e190$854da4b0$@net> Message-ID: I have a K3. Did not have the problem in 5.33. Do not have the problem in 5.38. I am unable to duplicate your problem. In Data A, and b SEt width control varies width in sub RX while main RX stays the same. Your report sounds like you are in diversity mode. My frequency shows as 1.814.9 The right decimal point is blinking. Is your right decimal point in the VFO A display blinking? I have not had bench time to install the KSYN3A mods. What is your status with the SYN mods? 73, Guy On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Elliott Lawrence wrote: > Changing to MCU 5.38 did not solve the problem. Need to contact K3 > support! > 73 > Elliott WA6TLA > > On Oct 23, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Elliott Lawrence wrote: > > > Using the latest K3 firmware MCU 5.35 for my K3 (not K3S). In the Data > mode only, setting the bandwidth of the main receiver also causes the > subreceiver bandwidth to track and be identical. The BSET control XFIL for > Data has no effect. In CW and SSB modes the main receiver XFIL can be > adjusted and the subreceiver XFIL changed independently using BSET. This > was definitely not the case for previous firmware versions. This > operation is not band dependent. > > > > I have checked all of the firmware notes and the latest K3S manual and > can?t find anything to explain this operation. Am I missing something? Is > this a new and unwanted improvement? > > > > Thanks for your comments. > > 73 > > Elliott WA6TLA > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wa6tla at icloud.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From ppauly at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 11:30:37 2015 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:30:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? Message-ID: Which handheld PTT switch do you like and where did you get it? Did it already have a RCA connector on it or did you have to rig one yourself? I'm in the middle of the CQ WW contest and finding I could really use this. Thanks W0VLL From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 11:36:39 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:36:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not a direct answer to your question, but I use a foot pedal with a headset/boom mic combination. That way, my hands are completely free for logging and making station adjustments. 73 de, Ian, KM4IK On Oct 24, 2015 11:32 AM, "Peter Pauly" wrote: > Which handheld PTT switch do you like and where did you get it? Did it > already have a RCA connector on it or did you have to rig one yourself? > > I'm in the middle of the CQ WW contest and finding I could really use this. > > Thanks > > W0VLL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com > From don.na6z at yahoo.com Sat Oct 24 11:42:29 2015 From: don.na6z at yahoo.com (Don Putnick) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 15:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] PRICE REDUCED - Heil Gold Elite Mic ... References: <1191061073.2479904.1445701349338.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1191061073.2479904.1445701349338.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> ... with cable/adapter for K3/K3S. Near mint condition. $75 including shipping and insurance. Please contact me off list. 73 Don NA6Z From jim at n7us.net Sat Oct 24 11:49:02 2015 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:49:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02bb01d10e73$81e213c0$85a63b40$@net> I always use VOX, directional microphones, and headphones. I can't imagine depressing a footswitch every time I transmit. I wouldn't want to tie up one hand for a PTT switch in a contest either. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- Not a direct answer to your question, but I use a foot pedal with a headset/boom mic combination. That way, my hands are completely free for logging and making station adjustments. 73 de, Ian, KM4IK On Oct 24, 2015 11:32 AM, "Peter Pauly" wrote: > Which handheld PTT switch do you like and where did you get it? Did it > already have a RCA connector on it or did you have to rig one yourself? > > I'm in the middle of the CQ WW contest and finding I could really use this. > > Thanks > > W0VLL From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Oct 24 11:50:15 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:50:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562BA8B7.6050104@blomand.net> Although I made my own applications, Bob Heil has a nice foot switch that works as a "stomp to talk" switch. Also Granger has an assortment of foot switches although the may a bit over kill for the application. For my station, I made a pigtail using some small coax like RG-177 or 174, {can't recall which} with a momentary switch attached and it is then connected to the terminals inside the MIC connector. This pigtail just lays around on the desk and is easy to use. Since I use a boom mounted mike, this works and is convenient. Then I made my own foot switch using an old "stomp box" case obtained from a local music store. Since it had two holes, I have two switches on the "stomp box". One switch is momentary and one switch is latching thus "stomp to talk, stomp to listen". 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/24/2015 10:30 AM, Peter Pauly wrote: > Which handheld PTT switch do you like and where did you get it? Did it > already have a RCA connector on it or did you have to rig one yourself? > > I'm in the middle of the CQ WW contest and finding I could really use this. > > Thanks > > W0VLL From gwwa5uih at hotmail.com Sat Oct 24 11:57:28 2015 From: gwwa5uih at hotmail.com (George Winship, NC5G) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:57:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1445702248517-7609519.post@n2.nabble.com> Peter, I am assuming that you are using a K3. On my K2 I use a headset. I have a hand key and a set of paddles hooked to the K2. On SSB I merely depress the hand key or the dot paddle to key the transmitter. Don't know if this works on the K3. 73, George NC5G Which handheld PTT switch do you like and where did you get it? Did it already have a RCA connector on it or did you have to rig one yourself? I'm in the middle of the CQ WW contest and finding I could really use this. Thanks W0VLL -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Which-hand-held-PTT-switch-tp7609514p7609519.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wd4ahz at gte.net Sat Oct 24 12:07:27 2015 From: wd4ahz at gte.net (Ron Wetjen) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:07:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562BACBF.30602@gte.net> http://www.pttpro.com/switches.htm Picked one up for Field Day. Some folks didn't like using a foot switch, and too much noise QRM for VOX. Looks like the price went up a bit since I ordered mine. Ron, WD4AHZ From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 12:09:53 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 10:09:53 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Peter Pauly wrote: > Which handheld PTT switch do you like and where did you get it? Did it > already have a RCA connector on it or did you have to rig one yourself? > > I'm in the middle of the CQ WW contest and finding I could really use this. > > Thanks > > W0VLL > ______________________________ A foot switch from a music store works well, too. Also, see M-AUDIO SP-2 Universal Sustain Pedal 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP From n9vo at hotmail.com Sat Oct 24 12:34:31 2015 From: n9vo at hotmail.com (Jim Vohland) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:34:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? In-Reply-To: <562BACBF.30602@gte.net> References: , <562BACBF.30602@gte.net> Message-ID: Don't use myself but another plus for the heil footset is the two position micro switch which allows keying two equipments. First would key the amp and then with slight delay, keys the transceiver. Lot of people like that feature. I like vox. > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > From: wd4ahz at gte.net > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:07:27 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? > > http://www.pttpro.com/switches.htm > > Picked one up for Field Day. Some folks didn't like using a foot > switch, and too much noise QRM for VOX. > > Looks like the price went up a bit since I ordered mine. > > Ron, WD4AHZ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n9vo at hotmail.com From kevin.stover at mediacombb.net Sat Oct 24 13:03:44 2015 From: kevin.stover at mediacombb.net (Kevin Stover) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:03:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562BB9F0.7040907@mediacombb.net> I have the Heil Proset K2 and when contesting I use VOX I did spend the cash and got the Heil trigger switch that plugs in the PTT port of the adapter set. On 10/24/2015 10:30 AM, Peter Pauly wrote: > Which handheld PTT switch do you like and where did you get it? Did it > already have a RCA connector on it or did you have to rig one yourself? > > I'm in the middle of the CQ WW contest and finding I could really use this. > > Thanks > > W0VLL > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Sat Oct 24 13:36:46 2015 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:36:46 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? OT In-Reply-To: <562BB9F0.7040907@mediacombb.net> References: <562BB9F0.7040907@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: Sorry for the thread drift, but, has there ever been an investigation into response time of hitting the PTT and beginning to speak? Occasionally I hear the first syllable being lost and I've wondered if this is due to time delays in the equipment or the user, or both. Brings back memories of bucket-brigade delay-lines. 73 David G3UNA From ron at cobi.biz Sat Oct 24 14:52:30 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:52:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dropped First Syllable In-Reply-To: References: <562BB9F0.7040907@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <001201d10e8d$23145e10$693d1a30$@biz> I have seen that with both PTT and VOX in Ham and commercial operations. The VOX issue is well known. In PTT some operators develop the habit of starting to speak before fully depressing the PTT switch. I've watched operators do that repeatedly without realizing it even after they were aware that they tended to do that. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Cutter Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 10:37 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? OT Sorry for the thread drift, but, has there ever been an investigation into response time of hitting the PTT and beginning to speak? Occasionally I hear the first syllable being lost and I've wondered if this is due to time delays in the equipment or the user, or both. Brings back memories of bucket-brigade delay-lines. 73 David G3UNA From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Oct 24 15:01:42 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:01:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working In-Reply-To: <56297D3A.4090400@att.net> References: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> <3708C0DA-9249-408A-A38B-627E8328F0DE@me.com> <5628D8C2.90200@gmail.com> <56291C05.5000202@gmail.com> <56297D3A.4090400@att.net> Message-ID: <562BD596.3050601@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,10/22/2015 5:20 PM, Bob wrote: > That may not be necessary. I'm working from memory which is a > horrible thing to try and use but if I recall correctly each of the 9 > pin connectors have jumpers on each pin. It is important to understand that the DB9 connectors on the KRC2 ARE NOT for an RS232 connection, and, in general, will NOT WORK with standard RS232 cables. It's wiring is VERY different, because the product was originally designed to work with the K2 remote control, which is also very different from RS232. Wiring is shown in the manual (Fig 6). On the DB9 connectors, ONLY pins 2, 3, and 5 are used for serial control, and are wired to corresponding pins on a computer serial port. I used to have two KRC2s in my station controlling sets of W3NQN bandpass filters with the Array Solutions switchbox. I don't remember details of the hookup, but the manual clearly shows how the KRC2 can be configured for a variety of uses. One very useful piece of information is that band data from the K2 and K3 to the KRC2 is contained in the single AUX Bus circuit, which I implemented with a coax cable between my K3 15-pin AUX connector and the KRC2. That bus is Pin 6 on the DB9 connectors. 73, Jim K9YC From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Oct 24 15:37:31 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:37:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dropped First Syllable In-Reply-To: <001201d10e8d$23145e10$693d1a30$@biz> References: <562BB9F0.7040907@mediacombb.net> <001201d10e8d$23145e10$693d1a30$@biz> Message-ID: <562BDDFB.3090602@foothill.net> The original meaning of the acronym PTT was "Push, Then Talk." Somewhere in history, the comma was dropped and "Then" became "To.":-) I had a colleague [retired Col] who essentially never mastered "Point and Click" regardless of how many times I explained, "First point to the 'thing', then click." He consistently would click, then move the mouse. Same kind of problem. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 10/24/2015 11:52 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > I have seen that with both PTT and VOX in Ham and commercial operations. The > VOX issue is well known. In PTT some operators develop the habit of starting > to speak before fully depressing the PTT switch. I've watched operators do > that repeatedly without realizing it even after they were aware that they > tended to do that. > > 73, Ron AC7AC From nq5t at tx.rr.com Sat Oct 24 16:21:54 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 15:21:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dropped First Syllable In-Reply-To: <562BDDFB.3090602@foothill.net> References: <562BB9F0.7040907@mediacombb.net> <001201d10e8d$23145e10$693d1a30$@biz> <562BDDFB.3090602@foothill.net> Message-ID: :-D > > > I had a colleague [retired Col] who essentially never mastered "Point and Click" regardless of how many times I explained, "First point to the 'thing', then click." He consistently would click, then move the mouse. Same kind of problem. > From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk Sat Oct 24 20:44:21 2015 From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 00:44:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT- K3 KXV3A for sale In-Reply-To: <2E3B374CEF6E4154AAB4CA06B79C4DE9@ejhPC> References: <2E3B374CEF6E4154AAB4CA06B79C4DE9@ejhPC> Message-ID: <2024184460.2073542.1445733861790.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> KXV3A for sale, perfect shape, light use.Includes cover panel, mounting screws, installation manual and cable. ?US$75 shipped to US, UK, Europe and major cities in the world by registered airmail. If interested, please contact me off-the-list vr2xmc at yahoo dot com dot hk Thanks for the bandwidth here. 73 Johnny VR2XMC From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 21:48:37 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 21:48:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Sideband Net This Week CANCELLED Message-ID: <021401d10ec7$444f6630$ccee3290$@gmail.com> This is a reminder that there will be NO Elecraft SSB net tomorrow, 10/25, due to the CQ WW SSB Contest. We'll resume the net next week, 11/1. Good luck in the contest, if you're playing, and have a great week. 73 de, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From k2asp at kanafi.org Sat Oct 24 21:51:05 2015 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:51:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? OT In-Reply-To: References: <562BB9F0.7040907@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <562C3589.9060503@kanafi.org> On 10/24/2015 10:36 AM, David Cutter wrote: > Sorry for the thread drift, but, has there ever been an investigation > into response time of hitting the PTT and beginning to speak? > Occasionally I hear the first syllable being lost and I've wondered if > this is due to time delays in the equipment or the user, or both. > Brings back memories of bucket-brigade delay-lines. I teach beginners to push the switch, take a breath, and then start talking. Works for VOX with some experience. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From k5oai.sam at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 21:55:48 2015 From: k5oai.sam at gmail.com (k5oai) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:55:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] JT65 audio noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1445738148003-7609531.post@n2.nabble.com> use the Lo <--CUT --> Hi to expand the bandwidth to 0 or 100 on the low end and 4000 or 4100 on the top end. I set this up in the II setting so I can return to it easily. Once you have set it up it should stay in memory the next time you are in DATA on that band. Although sometimes I find I have to reset it if is forgets my settings for some unknown reason. 73 & GB Sam K5OAI -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/JT65-audio-noise-tp7609500p7609531.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Oct 25 01:05:00 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 22:05:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? OT In-Reply-To: <562C3589.9060503@kanafi.org> Message-ID: It's a good habit for FM repeater use as well. Give the repeater some unmodulated RF to switch itself on. 73 Bill AE6JV On 10/24/15 at 6:51 PM, k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) wrote: >I teach beginners to push the switch, take a breath, and then start >talking. Works for VOX with some experience. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If the site is supported by | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | ads, you are the product. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From brian_nielsen at yahoo.com Sun Oct 25 01:45:28 2015 From: brian_nielsen at yahoo.com (Brian - N5BCN) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 22:45:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - Unstable power output on 40m (digital modes) Message-ID: <1445751928013-7609533.post@n2.nabble.com> I'm having an issue with unstable power output using digital modes on 40m above about 20 watts. All other bands seem to be ok. My antenna setup is as follows: a loop consisting of about 245 feet of wire, feed line consists of about 21 feet of 450 ohm ladderline to an Elecraft BL2 balun, then about 3 feet of coax to KAT100/KPA100/K2. I've tried the balun in 1:1 and 4:1 configs with no apparent change. The feed point of the loop is in the attic above the shack, but the majority of the wire is outside running along a wood fence. No problems tuning any band including 40m. When using digital modes, power output and ALC action (no bars) appears normal on 10 through 30m, and even works ok on 80m. Haven't tried 160m. However, when attempting digital modes (using a Signalink) on 40m, power output and ALC action is "all over the place" and generally folds back to a couple of watts. The output also seems to be extremely "touchy" and sensitive to the TX drive setting on the Signalink that's not apparent on other bands. I don't see this craziness using a dummy load, so I'm suspecting maybe I'm getting RF feedback only on 40m for some reason. I'm not sure what to try to mitigate this. The variables I could change would be to increase/decrease the ladderline length, try a more robust balun, or maybe try a counterpoise wire tied to the balun's ground lug? Any ideas and suggestions would be most appreciated, I sure would like to be able to use 40m! 73 Brian, N5BCN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-Unstable-power-output-on-40m-digital-modes-tp7609533.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sun Oct 25 05:19:41 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 09:19:41 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - Unstable power output on 40m (digital modes) In-Reply-To: <1445751928013-7609533.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445751928013-7609533.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Brian, The Elecraft K series requires a different way of setting power out on digital. You increase the audio drive from the SignaLink until the "ALC" meter is showing 4 to 5 bars and then adjust the power control to set the required power out, do not use the audio level to adjust the power. The "ALC" meter is actually just an audio level meter until the 6th bar when actual power reducing ALC starts. I know this apparently goes against normal advice to not have any ALC showing, but in effect you are not because of the way the "ALC" meter on the K series is configured. There is no ALC action until the 6th bar of "ALC". If you don't have sufficient audio (4 to 5 bars of "ALC" ) then the radio power output will be unstable as you have described. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 25 Oct 2015, at 05:45, Brian - N5BCN via Elecraft wrote: > > No problems tuning any band including 40m. When using digital modes, power > output and ALC action (no bars) appears normal on 10 through 30m, and even > works ok on 80m. Haven't tried 160m. > > However, when attempting digital modes (using a Signalink) on 40m, power > output and ALC action is "all over the place" and generally folds back to a > couple of watts. The output also seems to be extremely "touchy" and > sensitive to the TX drive setting on the Signalink that's not apparent on > other bands. I don't see this craziness using a dummy load, so I'm > suspecting maybe I'm getting RF feedback only on 40m for some reason. From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sun Oct 25 05:36:29 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 09:36:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - Unstable power output on 40m (digital modes) In-Reply-To: References: <1445751928013-7609533.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Brian, Too early in the morning with me, I just noticed the fact you have a K2 not a K3 or KX3. In that case the ALC meter is different, but perhaps you may find something that is helpful on the late G4ILO's site: http://www.g4ilo.com/k2psk31.html 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 25 Oct 2015, at 09:19, David Anderson wrote: > > Brian, > > The Elecraft K series requires a different way of setting power out on digital. > > Snip...... > >> On 25 Oct 2015, at 05:45, Brian - N5BCN via Elecraft wrote: >> >> No problems tuning any band including 40m. When using digital modes, power >> output and ALC action (no bars) appears normal on 10 through 30m, and even >> works ok on 80m. Haven't tried 160m. >> >> How From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Oct 25 08:05:42 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 08:05:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - Unstable power output on 40m (digital modes) In-Reply-To: <1445751928013-7609533.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445751928013-7609533.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <562CC596.2030309@embarqmail.com> Brian, Do things settle down if you drive a dummy load instead of the antenna? If so, that would nail it as an RF Feedback. If that is the case, use a good quality common mode choke at the junction of the coax with the ladderline. See K9YC's RFI information at http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf - chapters 6 and 7 cover making effective feedline chokes. Also investigate your KPA100 to see if it has the latest upgrade. The T/R switch was changed to eliminate instability on 40 meters. Remove the right side panel of the K2 and peer between the KPA100 shield and board. If you see blue toroid cores at RFC1 and L16, you have the updated version. If you see red cores, update with KPA100UPKT. You may also have to update the shield. If you do not have shield clips to connect the shield to the sides of the base K2 and a shield over the speaker magnet, add the KPA100SHLDKT. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/25/2015 1:45 AM, Brian - N5BCN via Elecraft wrote: > I'm having an issue with unstable power output using digital modes on 40m > above about 20 watts. All other bands seem to be ok. > > My antenna setup is as follows: a loop consisting of about 245 feet of wire, > feed line consists of about 21 feet of 450 ohm ladderline to an Elecraft BL2 > balun, then about 3 feet of coax to KAT100/KPA100/K2. I've tried the balun > in 1:1 and 4:1 configs with no apparent change. The feed point of the loop > is in the attic above the shack, but the majority of the wire is outside > running along a wood fence. > > No problems tuning any band including 40m. When using digital modes, power > output and ALC action (no bars) appears normal on 10 through 30m, and even > works ok on 80m. Haven't tried 160m. > > From john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com Sun Oct 25 08:43:20 2015 From: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com (John K9UWA) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 08:43:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working In-Reply-To: <562BD596.3050601@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com>, <56297D3A.4090400@att.net>, <562BD596.3050601@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <562CCE68.14935.3F6F1E1@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> THANKS JIM After 4+ years of dealing with the inability to reprogram the KRC2. Finally the real Answer as to how to connect the KRC2 to the Serial DB9 of your computer and program it with the Utility Program. Yes 4 years ago when I assembled the KRC2 after three very long frustrating days I managed to get the band map program to work and the box is programmed up for 9 HF bands. And I like many others now wish to reprogram it for SIX meter antenna. A simple statement in the KRC2 manual could have been added by Elecraft stating. To Program your KRC2 to your K3 radio get a standard DB9 serial cable. and CUT OFF all wires EXCEPT 2, 3 and 5. Mark the cable Program KCR2 ONLY and save the cable for future use. I wonder how many additional KRC2 boxes Elecraft could have sold over the last 4 years? Again thanks Jim for the simple solution. John k9uwa > It is important to understand that the DB9 connectors on the KRC2 ARE > NOT for an RS232 connection, and, in general, will NOT WORK with > standard RS232 cables. It's wiring is VERY different, because the > product was originally designed to work with the K2 remote control, > which is also very different from RS232. Wiring is shown in the manual > (Fig 6). > > On the DB9 connectors, ONLY pins 2, 3, and 5 are used for serial > control, and are wired to corresponding pins on a computer serial port. > > I used to have two KRC2s in my station controlling sets of W3NQN > bandpass filters with the Array Solutions switchbox. I don't remember > details of the hookup, but the manual clearly shows how the KRC2 can be > configured for a variety of uses. > > One very useful piece of information is that band data from the K2 and > K3 to the KRC2 is contained in the single AUX Bus circuit, which I > implemented with a coax cable between my K3 15-pin AUX connector and the > KRC2. That bus is Pin 6 on the DB9 connectors. > > 73, Jim K9YC From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Oct 25 08:54:33 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 08:54:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working In-Reply-To: <562CCE68.14935.3F6F1E1@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> References: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> <56297D3A.4090400@att.net> <562BD596.3050601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562CCE68.14935.3F6F1E1@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> Message-ID: <562CD109.3040400@embarqmail.com> John, Actually a standard serial cable can be connected to the KRC2 if jumpers W11 thru W20 are removed, no need to cut off wires in the cable. That information *is* in the plugging configuration charts. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/25/2015 8:43 AM, John K9UWA wrote: > > A simple statement in the KRC2 manual could have been added by Elecraft > stating. To Program your KRC2 to your K3 radio get a standard DB9 serial > cable. and CUT OFF all wires EXCEPT 2, 3 and 5. Mark the cable Program > KCR2 ONLY and save the cable for future use. I wonder how many > additional KRC2 boxes Elecraft could have sold over the last 4 years? > > From brian_nielsen at yahoo.com Sun Oct 25 11:09:29 2015 From: brian_nielsen at yahoo.com (Brian - N5BCN) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 08:09:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - Unstable power output on 40m (digital modes) In-Reply-To: <562CC596.2030309@embarqmail.com> References: <1445751928013-7609533.post@n2.nabble.com> <562CC596.2030309@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1445785769793-7609539.post@n2.nabble.com> Don, Yes, things settle down with a dummy load, so it looks like I'm dealing with RF feedback. Per the original post, I'm using an Elecraft BL2 balun at the coax/ladderline junction. Shouldn't this act as the common mode choke that you suggest or are you suggesting to place a common mode choke in addition to the balun? Interesting idea regarding the KPA100 latest version since 40m is the troublesome band. I purchased the KPA100 around 2011-2012, so I would think it has the latest hardware but I'll double check when I get a chance. 73 Brian, N5BCN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-Unstable-power-output-on-40m-digital-modes-tp7609533p7609539.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sun Oct 25 11:51:59 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 11:51:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Split Rx Ant2/Tx Ant1 Message-ID: <006d01d10f3d$169cc6d0$43d65470$@carolinaheli.com> Hi, I've read the owners manual and Fred Cady's K3 manual. Playing with the rig and still can't figure this out. Desired end result: When working split I want to receive on Ant2 and transmit on Ant1. I have the ATU option installed. Thanks in advance. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. From mteberle at mchsi.com Sun Oct 25 12:08:18 2015 From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 11:08:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working In-Reply-To: <562CCE68.14935.3F6F1E1@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> References: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> <56297D3A.4090400@att.net> <562BD596.3050601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562CCE68.14935.3F6F1E1@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> Message-ID: <562CFE72.80100@mchsi.com> What is the issue with using the KRC2 on six meters? Mine works with my K3 on 6 and also 2 meters by setting the 6M transceiver band to the XV1 control output and 2M transceiver band to the XV2 control output. Mike KI0HA On 10/25/2015 7:43 AM, John K9UWA wrote: > And I like many others now wish to reprogram it for SIX meter > antenna. > > From aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com Sun Oct 25 12:13:37 2015 From: aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com (Phil Anderson) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 11:13:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Split Rx Ant2/Tx Ant1 In-Reply-To: <006d01d10f3d$169cc6d0$43d65470$@carolinaheli.com> References: <006d01d10f3d$169cc6d0$43d65470$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <562CFFB1.9000301@sunflower.com> Hi Jerry. I have a K3, about 1 year old. I'm not sure which configuration you are using; so, this may or may not help. I do recall that when you add the second RX (receiver) you have the choice of attaching the second RX to the AUX port instead of the RX2 ANT port. I chose the AUX port and thereby had to reroute one of the internal coax jumpers over to the AUX port. I use a Beverage antenna with the AUX port and thereby receive in diversity mode - hearing audio in my left ear from ANT1 and hearing from AUX port, my antenna 2, in my right ear. Works very well. I do recall having some confusion in getting that to work out. I went back and forth between Cady's book and the K3 manual, often reading between the lines. If you'd outline your setup in a bit more detail and email me, I'd be happy to work with you to figure it out. 73, Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com > ae4pb at carolinaheli.com > Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:51 AM > > > Hi, > > I've read the owners manual and Fred Cady's K3 manual. Playing with the > rig and still can't figure this out. > > Desired end result: > > When working split I want to receive on Ant2 and transmit on Ant1. I have > the ATU option installed. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Jerry Moore > > CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists > > AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 > > http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB > > An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and > Patriotic. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to aldenmcduffie at sunflower.com > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From fcady at montana.edu Sun Oct 25 12:19:24 2015 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 16:19:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New KE7X books for the K3s and K3 Message-ID: Greetings all, Just to let you know that I have completed "The Elecraft K3s and P3 -- Getting the Most from Your High Performance Station". This 324 page book includes over 160 diagrams for you visual learners and 43 exercises showing how to use K3s features for those who learn by doing. A complete table of contents can be found at www.ke7x.com. Elecraft will begin shipping printed, spiral-bound copies this week and a PDF version is available at www.lulu.com (search for Elecraft) and at www.ke7x.com. "Upgrading the Elecraft K3 with K3s Components - Bridging the Gap" is available now. This short, 50+ page booklet is targeted to K3 owners who now have "The Elecraft K3 - Design, Configuration, and Operation, 2nd Ed" book and who are wondering about or are planning to upgrade their K3 with K3s components. It also will help those thinking about buying a used K3. It offer's KE7X's recommendations and describes the operation of the new KIO3B I/O Interface and the new KXV3B Receive Antenna and Transverter Interface. Spiral-bound printed copies and a PDF version are available at www.lulu.com and PDF also from www.ke7x.com. I am working on "The Elecraft K3 and P3 -- Design, Configuration, and Operation, 3rd Edition". This will combine the material in the K3 2nd Edition book with information on the KXV3B and KIO3B K3s components for those who upgrade and who would like the material all in one place. This will be available shortly. Please go to www.ke7x.com for answers to frequently asked question about KE7X K-Line and KX-Line books, table of contents, and ordering information. 73 and cheers, Fred KE7X From kevinr at coho.net Sun Oct 25 13:30:49 2015 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 10:30:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <562D11C9.8070702@coho.net> Good Morning, Please join us this afternoon and evening. 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS - From ke4d at att.net Sun Oct 25 13:46:37 2015 From: ke4d at att.net (John's email) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 12:46:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PTT Message-ID: <104C1AB3-93AD-4421-BD6A-F9971CE04FB2@att.net> I used a heil headset with a footswitch when I had a K3. I use the same set up with my FTDX1200 and have a Yamaha C500 headset and footswitch that I use with my KX3. I never use Vox, haven't for 41 years. I also take a hand mike with me in the RV. De KE4D John Sent from my iPad From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Oct 25 14:07:36 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:07:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Split Rx Ant2/Tx Ant1 In-Reply-To: <006d01d10f3d$169cc6d0$43d65470$@carolinaheli.com> References: <006d01d10f3d$169cc6d0$43d65470$@carolinaheli.com> Message-ID: <562D1A68.20104@embarqmail.com> Jer, It all depends on how you have your K3S physically configured. If you do not have the subRX installed, that is not possible - although you can connect whatever antenna you now have on ANT2 to the RX ANT input and select the RX antenna. If you do have the sub-receiver, then you can use the ANT2 for receive on the subRX by selecting the AUX input. Take a look at the antenna routing Figure 4 on page 45 of the K3S manual. As indicated, the subRX AUX antenna input can be connected to either the KAT3 (solid line) or to the BNC AUX RF jack (dotted line). Which one is actually connected to your subRX AUX input is a decision that is made at the time you built the K3S and added the KRX3. Factory built K3S are normally connected to the BNC jack, but you can add the cable to connect it to the KAT3. If you connected the AUX input on the sub to the TMP jack on the KAT3, then when you select the AUX antenna, the sub will be connected to the non-transmit antenna. In other words, if the main is using ANT1, the sub will listen to ANT2. If you switch the main to ANT2, the sub will listen to ANT1. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/25/2015 11:51 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > I've read the owners manual and Fred Cady's K3 manual. Playing with the > rig and still can't figure this out. > > Desired end result: > > When working split I want to receive on Ant2 and transmit on Ant1. I have > the ATU option installed. > > > From dl1sdz at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 14:18:09 2015 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 19:18:09 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Accuracy of Wattmeter W2 under 2 Watt Message-ID: Hello, I have been using a wattmeter from Fox for powers under 1 Watt, but the display is too nervous and hard to read. So I stumbled over the Elecraft W2 and read that with the 200 W sensor, you can read also power levels under 2 Watt. This would be really helpful for I experiment with power levels down to 0.5 mW. So before I invest, let me just ask some questions: 1. Has someone compared the power indicatores for the levels of 100 - 1000 mW with a precise wattmeter? As far as I understood each led signifies 100 mW. 2. If I would use the computer readout: How precise is the output? Just 100 mW or ist it e.g. 147 mW? 3. I am working max. 10 Watt with the Kx3, but normally use only between 100 mW and 5 W max. Could I adjust with the calibration of active sensor down to let's say 1 Watt instead of 2 Watt? 4. Is it possible to modify the transformer T1 and T2 of the sensor so that the range would be (20W - 2 W and 200 mW. Or is there a sensor like this available on request from Elecraft. I know a lot of questions, but as far as I can see this meter would be a real champion for QRPP and could be used with a WSPR TRX. 73 de Hajo (DL1SDZ) --- Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. From ad8p at wcoil.com Sun Oct 25 14:20:25 2015 From: ad8p at wcoil.com (Bill Gaines) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:20:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Search Archives Message-ID: <27248325B3A0449DA2696E4F86F8CB5E@BillPC> Is there any way to search the archives of this list to see if my question has already been addressed before? AD8P From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Oct 25 14:28:01 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:28:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - Unstable power output on 40m (digital modes) In-Reply-To: <1445785769793-7609539.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445751928013-7609533.post@n2.nabble.com> <562CC596.2030309@embarqmail.com> <1445785769793-7609539.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <562D1F31.4020601@embarqmail.com> Brian, The Elecraft BL2 is a good common mode choke. It is rated at 250 watts into a *matched* load. Your load certainly is not matched, and I do not know how to de-rate the power for any given load. Check to see if the balun core heats - if so, you could be operating the BL2 outside its range of capability. Note that I am only making a guess here. One thing that you could do is to remove the coax from the tuner and measure the impedance of the entire antenna system with an antenna analyzer. That will give you a better idea of whether to use the 1:1 or 4:1 position on the balun. Another thing to consider is the position on the antenna feedline in relationship to the radiator - the feedline should come away from the radiator at right angles for as far as possible. If it does not, energy from the radiator can couple onto the feedline and create common mode current that is difficult to choke off - in that case, the choking impedance of the BL2 may not be sufficient and you may have to add additional common mode chokes. As a quick test for common mode current on 40 meters, yes try tying a 33 foot counterpoise wire to the ground post on the BL2 - keep the far end isolated and insulated because it will have a high RF voltage on it. If it makes a difference, then you will have to get rid of the common mode current on the feedline. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/25/2015 11:09 AM, Brian - N5BCN via Elecraft wrote: > Don, > > Yes, things settle down with a dummy load, so it looks like I'm dealing with > RF feedback. > > Per the original post, I'm using an Elecraft BL2 balun at the > coax/ladderline junction. Shouldn't this act as the common mode choke that > you suggest or are you suggesting to place a common mode choke in addition > to the balun? > > Interesting idea regarding the KPA100 latest version since 40m is the > troublesome band. I purchased the KPA100 around 2011-2012, so I would think > it has the latest hardware but I'll double check when I get a chance. > > 73 Brian, N5BCN > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-Unstable-power-output-on-40m-digital-modes-tp7609533p7609539.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Oct 25 15:32:26 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:32:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - Unstable power output on 40m (digital modes) In-Reply-To: <1445785769793-7609539.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445751928013-7609533.post@n2.nabble.com> <562CC596.2030309@embarqmail.com> <1445785769793-7609539.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <562D2E4A.80603@blomand.net> My take on this is baluns are baluns and common mode chokes are common mode chokes. In many cases baluns do not provide adequate common mode choking requirements. Thus both may be needed. Usually, the balun is located physically at the load and the common mode choke is located at the source. In certain antenna configurations, a balun is used at the feed point along with a common mode choke and then a 2nd common mode choke at the source is required as well. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 10/25/2015 10:09 AM, Brian - N5BCN via Elecraft wrote: > Don, > > Yes, things settle down with a dummy load, so it looks like I'm dealing with > RF feedback. > > Per the original post, I'm using an Elecraft BL2 balun at the > coax/ladderline junction. Shouldn't this act as the common mode choke that > you suggest or are you suggesting to place a common mode choke in addition > to the balun? > > Interesting idea regarding the KPA100 latest version since 40m is the > troublesome band. I purchased the KPA100 around 2011-2012, so I would think > it has the latest hardware but I'll double check when I get a chance. > > 73 Brian, N5BCN From w7ox at socal.rr.com Sun Oct 25 15:41:39 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 12:41:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Search Archives In-Reply-To: <27248325B3A0449DA2696E4F86F8CB5E@BillPC> References: <27248325B3A0449DA2696E4F86F8CB5E@BillPC> Message-ID: <562D3073.40908@socal.rr.com> Sure. I use http://marc.info/?l=elecraft and check Subject (rather than Body). Works well for me. 73, Phil W7OX On 10/25/15 11:20 AM, Bill Gaines wrote: > Is there any way to search the archives of this list to see if my question has already been addressed before? > > AD8P > > From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Oct 25 15:57:06 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 12:57:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - Unstable power output on 40m (digital modes) In-Reply-To: <562D2E4A.80603@blomand.net> References: <1445751928013-7609533.post@n2.nabble.com> <562CC596.2030309@embarqmail.com> <1445785769793-7609539.post@n2.nabble.com> <562D2E4A.80603@blomand.net> Message-ID: <562D3412.60804@foothill.net> Yep, almost. The word "balun" is a portmanteau of "balanced" and "unbalanced." They are transformers or auto-transformers and their job is to keep a balanced feed to the antenna balanced when transitioning to unbalanced coax. Since they're transformers, they can also transform the impedance. Common mode chokes act as a series high impedance to current on the outside of the coax shield. For RF, coaxial cable is really a 3-conductor circuit because of the so-called "skin effect" ... inner conductor and inside of shield form one path are is unaffected by a CM choke. Current can also be induced on the outside of the shield and is the common-mode current. When transmitting, they can radiate close to the shack and get into places that don't like RF. They can also distort the radiation pattern of the antenna. When receiving, the outside of the shield acts as a vertical antenna and can pick up noise. CM chokes are often a string of ferrite toroids taped together with the coax going through them. Sometimes, the coax is wound several times through a larger toroid. First place to put them is at the antenna-end of the coax. In some cases, a CM choke at the station entrance will help as well, but it's not the first choice. Jim, K9YC, has prepared "Common Mode Chokes [and other things] For Dummies" at http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf It's full of information, including some charts demonstrating that all ferrites are not created equal. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 10/25/2015 12:32 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: > My take on this is baluns are baluns and common mode chokes are common > mode chokes. In many cases baluns do not provide adequate common mode > choking requirements. Thus both may be needed. Usually, the balun is > located physically at the load and the common mode choke is located at > the source. In certain antenna configurations, a balun is used at the > feed point along with a common mode choke and then a 2nd common mode > choke at the source is required as well. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Oct 25 15:58:05 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 12:58:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - Unstable power output on 40m (digital modes) In-Reply-To: <562D2E4A.80603@blomand.net> References: <1445751928013-7609533.post@n2.nabble.com> <562CC596.2030309@embarqmail.com> <1445785769793-7609539.post@n2.nabble.com> <562D2E4A.80603@blomand.net> Message-ID: <562D344D.4070108@audiosystemsgroup.com> Yes. And even more important -- the word "balun" is used to describe so many (at least) ten different very kinds of components that the word itself should be banned from our language. ONE of those components is a common mode choke. Another is an array of common mode chokes. Another is a simple transformer. Another is a simple autotransformer. Another is a section of transmission line. Another is an array of sections of transmission line. Another is an active device to put broadband video on twisted pair. And so on. 73, Jim K9YC On Sun,10/25/2015 12:32 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: > My take on this is baluns are baluns and common mode chokes are common > mode chokes. In many cases baluns do not provide adequate common mode > choking requirements. Thus both may be needed. Usually, the balun is > located physically at the load and the common mode choke is located at > the source. In certain antenna configurations, a balun is used at > the feed point along with a common mode choke and then a 2nd common > mode choke at the source is required as well. > > 73 From rickw8zt at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 17:35:17 2015 From: rickw8zt at gmail.com (Rick Robinson) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 17:35:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Accuracy of Wattmeter W2 under 2 Watt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't have the paperwork in front of me but the Elecraft DL 1 dummy load has provisions to measure power up to 20 watts with a 10% accuracy. Just use a dvm. They also make a WM1 that handles more power with a .5 dbm accuracy. On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Hajo Dezelski wrote: > Hello, > > I have been using a wattmeter from Fox for powers under 1 Watt, but > the display is too nervous and hard to read. So I stumbled over the > Elecraft W2 and read that with the 200 W sensor, you can read also > power levels under 2 Watt. This would be really helpful for I > experiment with power levels down to 0.5 mW. > > So before I invest, let me just ask some questions: > > 1. Has someone compared the power indicatores for the levels of 100 - > 1000 mW with a precise wattmeter? As far as I understood each led > signifies 100 mW. > > 2. If I would use the computer readout: How precise is the output? > Just 100 mW or ist it e.g. 147 mW? > > 3. I am working max. 10 Watt with the Kx3, but normally use only > between 100 mW and 5 W max. Could I adjust with the calibration of > active sensor down to let's say 1 Watt instead of 2 Watt? > > 4. Is it possible to modify the transformer T1 and T2 of the sensor so > that the range would be (20W - 2 W and 200 mW. Or is there a sensor > like this available on request from Elecraft. > > I know a lot of questions, but as far as I can see this meter would be > a real champion for QRPP and could be used with a WSPR TRX. > > 73 de > Hajo (DL1SDZ) > > --- > Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rickw8zt at gmail.com > -- Rick, W8ZT Sent from Gmail Mobile From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Sun Oct 25 18:01:26 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 18:01:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Split Rx Ant2/Tx Ant1 In-Reply-To: <562D1A68.20104@embarqmail.com> References: <006d01d10f3d$169cc6d0$43d65470$@carolinaheli.com> <562D1A68.20104@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <013201d10f70$b472ef00$1d58cd00$@carolinaheli.com> Sounds good, I guess I'll re-wire it internally as necessary. -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 2:08 PM To: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Split Rx Ant2/Tx Ant1 Jer, It all depends on how you have your K3S physically configured. If you do not have the subRX installed, that is not possible - although you can connect whatever antenna you now have on ANT2 to the RX ANT input and select the RX antenna. If you do have the sub-receiver, then you can use the ANT2 for receive on the subRX by selecting the AUX input. Take a look at the antenna routing Figure 4 on page 45 of the K3S manual. As indicated, the subRX AUX antenna input can be connected to either the KAT3 (solid line) or to the BNC AUX RF jack (dotted line). Which one is actually connected to your subRX AUX input is a decision that is made at the time you built the K3S and added the KRX3. Factory built K3S are normally connected to the BNC jack, but you can add the cable to connect it to the KAT3. If you connected the AUX input on the sub to the TMP jack on the KAT3, then when you select the AUX antenna, the sub will be connected to the non-transmit antenna. In other words, if the main is using ANT1, the sub will listen to ANT2. If you switch the main to ANT2, the sub will listen to ANT1. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/25/2015 11:51 AM, ae4pb at carolinaheli.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > I've read the owners manual and Fred Cady's K3 manual. Playing with the > rig and still can't figure this out. > > Desired end result: > > When working split I want to receive on Ant2 and transmit on Ant1. I have > the ATU option installed. > > > From ron at cobi.biz Sun Oct 25 18:36:51 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 15:36:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Accuracy of Wattmeter W2 under 2 Watt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d10f75$a4a48250$eded86f0$@biz> The DL1 can be very accurate. As a QRP and QRPp enthusiast I have a homebrew version that goes back decades before Elecraft, Hi! A simple RF voltmeter is a common way and inexpensive to measure very small power levels. (For the more exotic measurements a bolometer or, optionally, an accurate well calibrated oscilloscope is often used.) The RF voltmeter system (which the DL1 uses) gets inaccurate as you get down into the barrier voltage range of the diode. In that range the response of the diode is no longer linear. My homebrew version uses a 1N34A Germanium diode which is darn near "unobtainium" these days but a good PIN diode such as Elecraft supplies in the DL1 is just as good. Both have a barrier voltage of about 0.2V. But you can make very accurate measurements even at very low levels where the barrier voltage makes the system non-linear with a little more effort. Instead of applying RF to the device, connect an adjustable dc power source of about a 1 watt. Use your accurate DMM to measure the voltage and current applied to determine the output as you vary the d-c power applied. The d-c power reading is the same as the RF power reading from such a device. So, by creating a calibration chart using accurate d-c power levels, you can now measure similar RF power levels with excellent accuracy. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Robinson Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 2:35 PM To: Hajo Dezelski Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Steih, Uwe Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Accuracy of Wattmeter W2 under 2 Watt I don't have the paperwork in front of me but the Elecraft DL 1 dummy load has provisions to measure power up to 20 watts with a 10% accuracy. Just use a dvm. They also make a WM1 that handles more power with a .5 dbm accuracy. On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Hajo Dezelski wrote: > Hello, > > I have been using a wattmeter from Fox for powers under 1 Watt, but > the display is too nervous and hard to read. So I stumbled over the > Elecraft W2 and read that with the 200 W sensor, you can read also > power levels under 2 Watt. This would be really helpful for I > experiment with power levels down to 0.5 mW. > > So before I invest, let me just ask some questions: > > 1. Has someone compared the power indicatores for the levels of 100 - > 1000 mW with a precise wattmeter? As far as I understood each led > signifies 100 mW. > > 2. If I would use the computer readout: How precise is the output? > Just 100 mW or ist it e.g. 147 mW? > > 3. I am working max. 10 Watt with the Kx3, but normally use only > between 100 mW and 5 W max. Could I adjust with the calibration of > active sensor down to let's say 1 Watt instead of 2 Watt? > > 4. Is it possible to modify the transformer T1 and T2 of the sensor so > that the range would be (20W - 2 W and 200 mW. Or is there a sensor > like this available on request from Elecraft. > > I know a lot of questions, but as far as I can see this meter would be > a real champion for QRPP and could be used with a WSPR TRX. > > 73 de > Hajo (DL1SDZ) > > --- > Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > rickw8zt at gmail.com > -- Rick, W8ZT Sent from Gmail Mobile ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From john at kn5l.net Sun Oct 25 18:53:46 2015 From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 17:53:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Accuracy of Wattmeter W2 under 2 Watt In-Reply-To: <000001d10f75$a4a48250$eded86f0$@biz> References: <000001d10f75$a4a48250$eded86f0$@biz> Message-ID: <562D5D7A.2020209@kn5l.net> Hi All, I agree with Ron, the DL1 can be very accurate with a good DVM. I have computed diode voltage loss using an attenuator. The results are here: http://www.kn5l.net/DL1-diode/ John KN5L On 10/25/2015 05:36 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > The DL1 can be very accurate. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sun Oct 25 19:55:37 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 19:55:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Accuracy of Wattmeter W2 under 2 Watt In-Reply-To: <000001d10f75$a4a48250$eded86f0$@biz> References: <000001d10f75$a4a48250$eded86f0$@biz> Message-ID: <562D6BF9.5070708@embarqmail.com> All, Keep in mind that if you use the excellent method Ron describes, there is a huge dependency on the precision of the dummy load - just any old resistor will not do unless it is characterized first. It must be characterized for not only resistance, but the resistance and any possible reactance over the frequency range for which it is to be used. With the resistance and reactance (hopefully zero) known for the frequency of measurement, and the forward voltage drop of the diode also known, the power can be calculated with a very small error. I typically use the RF voltage observed on an oscilloscope connected directly across a known dummy load - that voltage allows the power to be calculated within 5% if your eyes are good at determining the 'scope trace deflection. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/25/2015 6:36 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > The DL1 can be very accurate. As a QRP and QRPp enthusiast I have a homebrew > version that goes back decades before Elecraft, Hi! > > A simple RF voltmeter is a common way and inexpensive to measure very small > power levels. (For the more exotic measurements a bolometer or, optionally, > an accurate well calibrated oscilloscope is often used.) > > The RF voltmeter system (which the DL1 uses) gets inaccurate as you get down > into the barrier voltage range of the diode. In that range the response of > the diode is no longer linear. My homebrew version uses a 1N34A Germanium > diode which is darn near "unobtainium" these days but a good PIN diode such > as Elecraft supplies in the DL1 is just as good. Both have a barrier voltage > of about 0.2V. > > But you can make very accurate measurements even at very low levels where > the barrier voltage makes the system non-linear with a little more effort. > Instead of applying RF to the device, connect an adjustable dc power source > of about a 1 watt. Use your accurate DMM to measure the voltage and current > applied to determine the output as you vary the d-c power applied. The d-c > power reading is the same as the RF power reading from such a device. So, by > creating a calibration chart using accurate d-c power levels, you can now > measure similar RF power levels with excellent accuracy. > > 73, Ron AC7AC > > > From w7aqk at cox.net Sun Oct 25 20:03:16 2015 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 17:03:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? Message-ID: Seems like you got a lot of recommendations for a foot switch, but not too many for a hand-held switch. The one from Ron, WD4AHZ, looks nice, but the price seems pretty stiff! Seems to me something like that should only cost $10-$15 at the most, but I'm probably still "living" in the 20th century! Anyway, I don't have one, but I wish I did. However, I use my CM500 headset plugged into the back, and the Elecraft microphone (MH2) is plugged into the front. So, when I just want to use PTT, I simply hold down the Elecraft microphone's PTT switch, but actually use the CM500 as my microphone/headphone. It seems to me that it would be pretty darned easy to just make one, and it shouldn't cost much either. For that matter, I could also take one of the many old smaller HT microphones with PTT switches I've collected over the years and simply change the plug. The problem with that is that you have to hold it on, and you might prefer a "click on-click off" switch. The last time this thread went around I picked up a foot switch that somebody recommended, but I haven't ever really used it. I'm not one to always have my feet in one place anyway!!! Then again, I'm on SSB so rarely that I just can't get motivated to do anything really creative! Hi. Dave W7AQK From ppauly at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 20:15:49 2015 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 20:15:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to everyone that responded. I decided to make my own from these parts at Mouser: http://www.mouser.com/search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=0virtualkey0virtualkey172-1112 http://www.mouser.com/search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=0virtualkey0virtualkeyED913 Total cost was less than $20 plus shipping. On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 8:03 PM, w7aqk wrote: > Seems like you got a lot of recommendations for a foot switch, but not too > many for a hand-held switch. The one from Ron, WD4AHZ, looks nice, but the > price seems pretty stiff! Seems to me something like that should only cost > $10-$15 at the most, but I'm probably still "living" in the 20th century! > > Anyway, I don't have one, but I wish I did. However, I use my CM500 > headset plugged into the back, and the Elecraft microphone (MH2) is plugged > into the front. So, when I just want to use PTT, I simply hold down the > Elecraft microphone's PTT switch, but actually use the CM500 as my > microphone/headphone. > > It seems to me that it would be pretty darned easy to just make one, and > it shouldn't cost much either. For that matter, I could also take one of > the many old smaller HT microphones with PTT switches I've collected over > the years and simply change the plug. The problem with that is that you > have to hold it on, and you might prefer a "click on-click off" switch. > > The last time this thread went around I picked up a foot switch that > somebody recommended, but I haven't ever really used it. I'm not one to > always have my feet in one place anyway!!! Then again, I'm on SSB so > rarely that I just can't get motivated to do anything really creative! Hi. > > Dave W7AQK > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ppauly at gmail.com > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Oct 25 20:41:06 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 19:41:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT on balun usage In-Reply-To: <562D3412.60804@foothill.net> References: <1445751928013-7609533.post@n2.nabble.com> <562CC596.2030309@embarqmail.com> <1445785769793-7609539.post@n2.nabble.com> <562D2E4A.80603@blomand.net> <562D3412.60804@foothill.net> Message-ID: <562D76A2.4020204@blomand.net> One point I've learned over the years is the fact baluns, regardless of the ratio, are power rated at matched values. i.e. a 1:1 is typically a 50 ohm to 50 ohm while a 4:1 is nominally a 200 ohm to 50 ohm device. And the power rating is mostly at closely matched values. Hence a 4:1 balun is good for feeding a 1/2 wave folded dipole which, at nominal height above ground, is about 200 to 300 ohms where as a 1:1 balun is good for a 1/2 wave dipole at near resonant frequency. Therefore a 4:1 balun may be good for say 1KW if the Z's are correct. Try to use one on a complex reactive load and the 1KW rating fails rather quickly. For that reason, for any balun I use and choose, it is rated at 5x to 10x the expected power. Thus a 1KW balun is good for about 100 watts. I recently "smoked badly" a 4:1 known brand 5KW balun on 160M with my AM transmitter at legal limit when I connected the 80M folded dipole antenna in error Shouldn't have done that. The transmitter didn't care but lots of smoke came out of the balun box. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/25/2015 2:57 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Yep, almost. The word "balun" is a portmanteau of "balanced" and > "unbalanced." They are transformers or auto-transformers and their > job is to keep a balanced feed to the antenna balanced when > transitioning to unbalanced coax. Since they're transformers, they > can also transform the impedance. From k3ndm at comcast.net Sun Oct 25 20:58:26 2015 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry LaZar) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 00:58:26 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT on balun usage In-Reply-To: <562D76A2.4020204@blomand.net> Message-ID: Bob, You are quite correct, and your recommendation to use a balun rated at higher power levels than you plan to run is dead on. One point; in the main, it is better to use a current type rather than a voltage balun. Between your recommendation and my suggestion, a number of problems get addressed and need not be of bother to the average ham. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Bob McGraw - K4TAX" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 10/25/2015 8:41:06 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT on balun usage >One point I've learned over the years is the fact baluns, regardless of >the ratio, are power rated at matched values. i.e. a 1:1 is typically >a 50 ohm to 50 ohm while a 4:1 is nominally a 200 ohm to 50 ohm device. > And the power rating is mostly at closely matched values. Hence a 4:1 >balun is good for feeding a 1/2 wave folded dipole which, at nominal >height above ground, is about 200 to 300 ohms where as a 1:1 balun is >good for a 1/2 wave dipole at near resonant frequency. > >Therefore a 4:1 balun may be good for say 1KW if the Z's are correct. >Try to use one on a complex reactive load and the 1KW rating fails >rather quickly. For that reason, for any balun I use and choose, it >is rated at 5x to 10x the expected power. Thus a 1KW balun is good for >about 100 watts. I recently "smoked badly" a 4:1 known brand 5KW >balun on 160M with my AM transmitter at legal limit when I connected >the 80M folded dipole antenna in error Shouldn't have done that. The >transmitter didn't care but lots of smoke came out of the balun box. > >73 >Bob, K4TAX > >On 10/25/2015 2:57 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >>Yep, almost. The word "balun" is a portmanteau of "balanced" and >>"unbalanced." They are transformers or auto-transformers and their >>job is to keep a balanced feed to the antenna balanced when >>transitioning to unbalanced coax. Since they're transformers, they >>can also transform the impedance. > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net From kk5na at kk5na.com Sun Oct 25 20:59:54 2015 From: kk5na at kk5na.com (kk5na) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 19:59:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Accuracy of Wattmeter W2 under 2 Watt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562D7B0A.5060301@kk5na.com> I use the NORTEX Accuprobe. Nice inexpensive, versitile and very sensitive. 73, Joe KK5NA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 10/25/2015 4:35 PM, Rick Robinson wrote: > I don't have the paperwork in front of me but the Elecraft DL 1 dummy load > has provisions to measure power up to 20 watts with a 10% accuracy. Just > use a dvm. They also make a WM1 that handles more power with a .5 dbm > accuracy. > > On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Hajo Dezelski wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I have been using a wattmeter from Fox for powers under 1 Watt, but >> the display is too nervous and hard to read. So I stumbled over the >> Elecraft W2 and read that with the 200 W sensor, you can read also >> power levels under 2 Watt. This would be really helpful for I >> experiment with power levels down to 0.5 mW. >> >> So before I invest, let me just ask some questions: >> >> 1. Has someone compared the power indicatores for the levels of 100 - >> 1000 mW with a precise wattmeter? As far as I understood each led >> signifies 100 mW. >> >> 2. If I would use the computer readout: How precise is the output? >> Just 100 mW or ist it e.g. 147 mW? >> >> 3. I am working max. 10 Watt with the Kx3, but normally use only >> between 100 mW and 5 W max. Could I adjust with the calibration of >> active sensor down to let's say 1 Watt instead of 2 Watt? >> >> 4. Is it possible to modify the transformer T1 and T2 of the sensor so >> that the range would be (20W - 2 W and 200 mW. Or is there a sensor >> like this available on request from Elecraft. >> >> I know a lot of questions, but as far as I can see this meter would be >> a real champion for QRPP and could be used with a WSPR TRX. >> >> 73 de >> Hajo (DL1SDZ) >> >> --- >> Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rickw8zt at gmail.com >> > From wes at triconet.org Sun Oct 25 21:39:00 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 18:39:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Search Archives In-Reply-To: <562D3073.40908@socal.rr.com> References: <27248325B3A0449DA2696E4F86F8CB5E@BillPC> <562D3073.40908@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <562D8434.8080003@triconet.org> Or: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ On 10/25/2015 12:41 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Sure. I use http://marc.info/?l=elecraft and check Subject (rather than > Body). Works well for me. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 10/25/15 11:20 AM, Bill Gaines wrote: >> Is there any way to search the archives of this list to see if my question >> has already been addressed before? >> >> AD8P >> From rwnewbould at comcast.net Mon Oct 26 11:48:55 2015 From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:48:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX Message-ID: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> Folks, I am not sure if I have some sort of issues or not. My K3 shows 13.7VDC on RX. When I TX that reading drops to 10.9VDC. Is that a normal drop? I do not believe this is a K3 issue, but I was wondering if others see that much drop before I dig into my 12VDC supply system. Thanks Rich From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Oct 26 12:02:48 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:02:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> Message-ID: <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,10/26/2015 8:48 AM, Rich wrote: > My K3 shows 13.7VDC on RX. When I TX that reading drops to 10.9VDC. Is > that a normal drop? It's not good. Two possible reasons -- poor regulation of the power supply and IR drop in the power cable. How long is the power cable between the K3 and power supply? What wire gauge? Do the arithmetic for Ohm's law for the IR drop in that length of that wire gauge. and remember to use the length of the cable x2 (for two conductors). Resistance per ft for various wire gauges is in the ARRL Handbook. Put a voltmeter across the output terminals of the power supply and check the voltage. It's also possible that the power supply has poor regulation. 73, Jim K9YC From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Oct 26 12:03:08 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:03:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> Message-ID: <562E4EBC.2000100@embarqmail.com> Rich, Yes, that is abnormal. Either your power supply is sagging or there is too much voltage drop in the power cable. To figure out which it is, measure the power supply voltage at its terminals during transmit. If it is staying "right up there" as it should, then the problem is in the cable. Check that the power supply terminals are tight, check that the fuseholders have good contact with the fuses (change the fuse(s) because they can develop a higher than normal resistance. Make certain that the APP connector on the K3 end of the cable has its contacts fully inserted - the tip of the connector blade should be latched over the spring finger below it. If you can see both the spring finger and the tip of the contact blade when you look from the front, the contact blade is not fully inserted. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/26/2015 11:48 AM, Rich wrote: > Folks, > > I am not sure if I have some sort of issues or not. My K3 shows > 13.7VDC on RX. When I TX that reading drops to 10.9VDC. Is that a > normal drop? I do not believe this is a K3 issue, but I was wondering > if others see that much drop before I dig into my 12VDC supply system. > > Thanks > Rich > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3fpr at embarqmail.com > From w7ox at socal.rr.com Mon Oct 26 12:09:23 2015 From: w7ox at socal.rr.com (Phil Wheeler) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:09:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <562E5033.6000905@socal.rr.com> If the wire gauge is OK and the supply regulation is not at fault, give some attention to the connectors at each end of the cable, too. A drop of 2.8 Volts points to some sort of issue. 73, Phil W7OX On 10/26/15 9:02 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Mon,10/26/2015 8:48 AM, Rich wrote: >> My K3 shows 13.7VDC on RX. When I TX that >> reading drops to 10.9VDC. Is that a normal drop? > > It's not good. Two possible reasons -- poor > regulation of the power supply and IR drop in > the power cable. > > How long is the power cable between the K3 and > power supply? What wire gauge? Do the > arithmetic for Ohm's law for the IR drop in that > length of that wire gauge. and remember to use > the length of the cable x2 (for two conductors). > Resistance per ft for various wire gauges is in > the ARRL Handbook. > > Put a voltmeter across the output terminals of > the power supply and check the voltage. It's > also possible that the power supply has poor > regulation. > > 73, Jim K9YC From rwnewbould at comcast.net Mon Oct 26 13:05:29 2015 From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 13:05:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562E5033.6000905@socal.rr.com> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562E5033.6000905@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> Thanks to all. I have check my PS and it does not fluctuate even a tenth of a volt on TX. With the radio connected directly to the PS. I am now seeing 14.1 VDC and 12.0 VDC on TX. So I need to look closer at the wire gauge and connectors. That is still about 2VDC drop. Thanks for the help rich On 10/26/2015 12:09 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > If the wire gauge is OK and the supply regulation is not at fault, > give some attention to the connectors at each end of the cable, too. A > drop of 2.8 Volts points to some sort of issue. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 10/26/15 9:02 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On Mon,10/26/2015 8:48 AM, Rich wrote: >>> My K3 shows 13.7VDC on RX. When I TX that reading drops to 10.9VDC. >>> Is that a normal drop? >> >> It's not good. Two possible reasons -- poor regulation of the power >> supply and IR drop in the power cable. >> >> How long is the power cable between the K3 and power supply? What >> wire gauge? Do the arithmetic for Ohm's law for the IR drop in that >> length of that wire gauge. and remember to use the length of the >> cable x2 (for two conductors). Resistance per ft for various wire >> gauges is in the ARRL Handbook. >> >> Put a voltmeter across the output terminals of the power supply and >> check the voltage. It's also possible that the power supply has poor >> regulation. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rwnewbould at comcast.net > From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Oct 26 13:11:28 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 10:11:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> Message-ID: <562E5EC0.1010100@foothill.net> That's way more drop than I experience with a 4S1P LiFePO4. Things to check: Length and gauge of wire [remember to double the length when calculating resistance, it's a round trip for the electrons]. Poor regulation in the power supply or depleted battery or battery at the end of useful life. Voltage drop at connectors Voltage drop at fuses. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 10/26/2015 8:48 AM, Rich wrote: > I am not sure if I have some sort of issues or not. My K3 shows 13.7VDC > on RX. When I TX that reading drops to 10.9VDC. Is that a normal drop? > I do not believe this is a K3 issue, but I was wondering if others see > that much drop before I dig into my 12VDC supply system. From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Oct 26 13:26:08 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 10:26:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562E5033.6000905@socal.rr.com> <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> Message-ID: <562E6230.3060103@foothill.net> That's still too much. Last time I measured my K3, the drop was 0.6 V on TX at 100W. Cartridge type [AGC] fuses and the holders are common culprits. I've replaced all of my fuses with the automotive fuses with the blade type contacts. They present a large contact area, are very tight, and have a large wipe as you insert and remove them. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 10/26/2015 10:05 AM, Rich wrote: > Thanks to all. I have check my PS and it does not fluctuate even a > tenth of a volt on TX. With the radio connected directly to the PS. I > am now seeing 14.1 VDC and 12.0 VDC on TX. So I need to look closer at > the wire gauge and connectors. That is still about 2VDC drop. From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 13:35:36 2015 From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 13:35:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working In-Reply-To: <642CCE65-B8AF-4460-AE45-6E0BB19C9AE9@me.com> References: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> <3708C0DA-9249-408A-A38B-627E8328F0DE@me.com> <5628D8C2.90200@gmail.com> <56291C05.5000202@gmail.com> <642CCE65-B8AF-4460-AE45-6E0BB19C9AE9@me.com> Message-ID: <562E6468.7020208@gmail.com> Jack, (and others on the list) Thanks for the pointers. I was unable to get the rs-232 to the computer working. I have not tried the Aux-bus to the K3 yet. I think I will contact elecraft service and see if I can send it back for a look-see by them. I can not tell what it has for firmware or set the bandmap without the rs232. I had only the jumpers in for the RS-232 connection, and the serial cable is only wired up for rx, tx and gnd (pins 2,3 and 5). I tried all the baud rates, I did verify that the serial port and cable worked with my KPA-500 and W2 meter. Gordon - N1MGO On 10/22/2015 02:17 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > Gordon; > > When you get ready to test, send me an email. I will be around this weekend, although I plan on spending some time in CQ WW. > > One thing that is very critical. Using a straight-through RS-232 cable will put high voltage (12V) signals on the microcontroller and can > damage it. I hope that isn?t the situation you are seeing. > > The microcontroller reads the W1-8 jumpers only at power-up, so after you change the jumpers you must power cycle the KRC2. > You can reset the bandpass to factory default by holding the F4 button at power up. This requires the V1.6 firmware, which has > been out for several years. There should be a sticker on the MCU that indicates the firmware it held when it left the factory, but > that becomes invalid after the firmware is upgraded. At that point, the only real way to tell the difference is to query the MCU > with the KRC2 Utility. When you try that utility, the DL/OP switch inside the KRC2 needs to be on the DL position. It should be > in the OP position for normal use if you are using RS232 to communicate with the radio. > > Let me know when you get testing and I?ll help as much as I can. We really do want to get you going with your KRC2 as quickly as possible. > > 73, > > - Jack Brindle, W6FB > Elecraft Engineering > From W7MPZ at AOL.COM Mon Oct 26 14:01:20 2015 From: W7MPZ at AOL.COM (Richard Fredrickson) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:01:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KAT1 AUTOMATIC ANTENNA TUNER Message-ID: <1445882480016-7609573.post@n2.nabble.com> Built and operate the Elecraft K1 transceiver S/N 1112. It has always functioned perfectly in the past, QRPDXCC etc. I had not used the K1 for sometime and recently tried to fire it up. The unit includes the KAT1 ATU. Have been trying to follow the KAT1 operating Instruction Assembly and Operating Instruction manual apparently to no avail. Obviously feel I am missing a step somewhere. Would be most appreciative to receive clear step-by-step tuning instructions, re tuning, loading, SWR etc. Thank you in advance for your assistance in this matter. Dick - W7MPZ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-KAT1-AUTOMATIC-ANTENNA-TUNER-tp7609573.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ron at cobi.biz Mon Oct 26 14:07:32 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:07:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562E5033.6000905@socal.rr.com> <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> Message-ID: <007301d11019$2f9fbe80$8edf3b80$@biz> Guess I'm more empirically than theoretically oriented, but my first act would be to touch and feel the cable and connectors after allowing the K3 to draw full current for a minute or two. Even 2 volts at 10 amps is 20 watts. That's enough to cause heating you should feel very quickly if it's concentrated at a connector, fuse holder damaged point in the cable. 73 Ron AC7AC From fptownsend at earthlink.net Mon Oct 26 14:07:07 2015 From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:07:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562E5033.6000905@socal.rr.com> <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000601d11019$213cbaf0$63b630d0$@earthlink.net> Hi Rich: A couple of more things. First do the math. Assuming 20 amps of transmit current (that's my rig @100 watts output) with a 2 volt drop is 40 watts of lost energy (not my rig). That also happens to be the power rating of my soldering iron. To point, something is likely to be getting warm. You should be able to find your problem by touching your cables and connectors while transmitting a 100 watts of RTTY, AM, etc. Also, I hope you are not using a diode type power sharing device sold to share power supply and battery. Think about it. Why do they need a big heat sink? Big heat sinks mean lots of wasted power. 73 Fred, AE6QL -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 10:05 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX Thanks to all. I have check my PS and it does not fluctuate even a tenth of a volt on TX. With the radio connected directly to the PS. I am now seeing 14.1 VDC and 12.0 VDC on TX. So I need to look closer at the wire gauge and connectors. That is still about 2VDC drop. Thanks for the help rich On 10/26/2015 12:09 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > If the wire gauge is OK and the supply regulation is not at fault, > give some attention to the connectors at each end of the cable, too. A > drop of 2.8 Volts points to some sort of issue. > > 73, Phil W7OX > > On 10/26/15 9:02 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On Mon,10/26/2015 8:48 AM, Rich wrote: >>> My K3 shows 13.7VDC on RX. When I TX that reading drops to 10.9VDC. >>> Is that a normal drop? >> >> It's not good. Two possible reasons -- poor regulation of the power >> supply and IR drop in the power cable. >> >> How long is the power cable between the K3 and power supply? What >> wire gauge? Do the arithmetic for Ohm's law for the IR drop in that >> length of that wire gauge. and remember to use the length of the >> cable x2 (for two conductors). Resistance per ft for various wire >> gauges is in the ARRL Handbook. >> >> Put a voltmeter across the output terminals of the power supply and >> check the voltage. It's also possible that the power supply has poor >> regulation. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > rwnewbould at comcast.net > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fptownsend at earthlink.net From ab2tc at arrl.net Mon Oct 26 14:12:37 2015 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:12:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Which hand-held PTT switch? OT In-Reply-To: References: <562BB9F0.7040907@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <1445883157709-7609575.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, That is routinely tested by ARRL. From the K3/100 review in January 2009 QST: Receive-transmit turnaround time (tx delay): SSB, 12 ms; FM, 9 ms. Unit is Not specified. suitable for use on AMTOR. So it's probably the user. AB2TC - Knut David Cutter wrote > Sorry for the thread drift, but, has there ever been an investigation into > response time of hitting the PTT and beginning to speak? Occasionally I > hear the first syllable being lost and I've wondered if this is due to > time > delays in the equipment or the user, or both. Brings back memories of > bucket-brigade delay-lines. > > 73 > David > G3UNA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Which-hand-held-PTT-switch-tp7609514p7609575.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Oct 26 14:17:37 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 14:17:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KAT1 AUTOMATIC ANTENNA TUNER In-Reply-To: <1445882480016-7609573.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445882480016-7609573.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <562E6E41.8030103@embarqmail.com> Dick, First make certain the ATU menu parameter is set to "tun". Then hold both the buttons in the upper right of the front panel together to initiate a TUNE. If the KAT1 already has a tuning solution in place, the process will go quickly and you may have to listen closely to hear relays click. When it has found a tuning solution, it will display the resulting SWR. Tap any button to exit the TUNE process. Once you have Tuned the KAT1 to a particular antenna on a band, when you return to that band it will switch to that tuning solution. So if you have done a TUNE on all bands, there is no need to re-tune unless you change antennas. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/26/2015 2:01 PM, Richard Fredrickson via Elecraft wrote: > Built and operate the Elecraft K1 transceiver S/N 1112. It has always > functioned perfectly in the past, QRPDXCC etc. I had not used the K1 for > sometime and recently tried to fire it up. The unit includes the KAT1 ATU. > Have been trying to follow the KAT1 operating Instruction Assembly and > Operating Instruction manual apparently to no avail. Obviously feel I am > missing a step somewhere. Would be most appreciative to receive clear > step-by-step tuning instructions, re tuning, loading, SWR etc. Thank you in > advance for your assistance in this matter. Dick - W7MPZ > From bw_dw at fastmail.fm Mon Oct 26 14:35:41 2015 From: bw_dw at fastmail.fm (dw) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 11:35:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Setting up K3s on Reverse Beacon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1445884541.1098936.420707625.68170F95@webmail.messagingengine.com> Are there easy step by step instructions on how to setup the K3s for running on Reverse Beacon? This will be my first introduction into digi modes. Thanks in advance, N1BBR -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net From dl1sdz at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 14:46:40 2015 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:46:40 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Accuracy of Wattmeter W2 under 2 Watt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, Thanks for your suggestions. It seems that the owners of the W2 use it for higher power settings than qrpp. So it is natural that nobody could answer my questions. So I will continue to use my Pm2 http://www.foxdelta.com/products/pm2.htm . But in a private discussion I was pointed to a solution of the irritating numbers shown on the display. I have no cabinet and the cable from the RS232 was too long and not shielded. So there was some hf going direct into the circuits. So I will build a box and take some ferrits and hopefully will be happy. Thanks for the advice and your time. 73 de Hajo DL1SDZ Gruss Hajo --- Cela est bien dit, ...,mais il fault cultiver notre jardin. From kk5f at earthlink.net Mon Oct 26 15:09:01 2015 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 14:09:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KAT1 AUTOMATIC ANTENNA TUNER Message-ID: <28851053.1445886542632.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Don wrote: > When it has found a tuning solution, it will display the resulting SWR. > Tap any button to exit the TUNE process. It's worth noting that the K1 continues transmitting after the tuning is complete, until the TUNE process is manually exited. > ...if you have done a TUNE on all bands, there is no need to re-tune > unless you change antennas. I'll add the obvious "or you operate far enough from the last-tuned frequency while using a limited-bandwidth antenna." That happens easily if you have the 150 kHz (typically 170 kHz) VFO span option and a dipole on 40 meters. :-) Mike / KK5F From rmcgraw at blomand.net Mon Oct 26 15:37:04 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 14:37:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562E5033.6000905@socal.rr.com> <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> Message-ID: <562E80E0.8020102@blomand.net> You don't happen to have anything else in line between the power supply and the K3 do you? I've found those DC distribution panels sold by certain companies are contributors to significant voltage drop. Your statement " With the radio connected directly to the PS. I am now seeing 14.1 VDC and 12.0 VDC on TX." is a clue that the way you have things configured is not optimum. In fact, anything in line between the power supply and radio can contribute to this. Even fuses, switches, power connectors and such. Any connection that is loose or terminal that is loose will be a voltage drop point. They just add up. My rule: the radio connects direct to the power supply. No exception. If you need DC for something else, connect it direct to the power supply as well. I also use a dedicated ground conductor between the radio and DC supply ground. The DC Negative is not considered to be adequate ground. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 10/26/2015 12:05 PM, Rich wrote: > Thanks to all. I have check my PS and it does not fluctuate even a > tenth of a volt on TX. With the radio connected directly to the PS. > I am now seeing 14.1 VDC and 12.0 VDC on TX. So I need to look closer > at the wire gauge and connectors. That is still about 2VDC drop. > > Thanks for the help > > rich > > On 10/26/2015 12:09 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote: >> If the wire gauge is OK and the supply regulation is not at fault, >> give some attention to the connectors at each end of the cable, too. >> A drop of 2.8 Volts points to some sort of issue. >> >> 73, Phil W7OX From rmcgraw at blomand.net Mon Oct 26 15:46:00 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 14:46:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562E80E0.8020102@blomand.net> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562E5033.6000905@socal.rr.com> <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> <562E80E0.8020102@blomand.net> Message-ID: <562E82F8.5080802@blomand.net> I just checked my radio. Receive shows 13.7 volts. At 100 watts CW key down transmit it shows 13.3 volts. The current indicated on the power supply is 18 amps. Power leads are about 2 ft in length being #10 stranded with connectors crimped and soldered at both ends. Also a #10 AWG ground is in place between the radio and power supply 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 10/26/2015 2:37 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: > You don't happen to have anything else in line between the power > supply and the K3 do you? I've found those DC distribution panels > sold by certain companies are contributors to significant voltage > drop. Your statement " With the radio connected directly to the PS. > I am now seeing 14.1 VDC and 12.0 VDC on TX." is a clue that the way > you have things configured is not optimum. In fact, anything in > line between the power supply and radio can contribute to this. Even > fuses, switches, power connectors and such. Any connection that is > loose or terminal that is loose will be a voltage drop point. They > just add up. > > My rule: the radio connects direct to the power supply. No > exception. If you need DC for something else, connect it direct to > the power supply as well. I also use a dedicated ground conductor > between the radio and DC supply ground. The DC Negative is not > considered to be adequate ground. > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > K3S s/n 10163 > > > > On 10/26/2015 12:05 PM, Rich wrote: >> Thanks to all. I have check my PS and it does not fluctuate even a >> tenth of a volt on TX. With the radio connected directly to the >> PS. I am now seeing 14.1 VDC and 12.0 VDC on TX. So I need to look >> closer at the wire gauge and connectors. That is still about 2VDC drop. >> >> Thanks for the help >> >> rich From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Oct 26 15:50:51 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:50:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562E80E0.8020102@blomand.net> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562E5033.6000905@socal.rr.com> <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> <562E80E0.8020102@blomand.net> Message-ID: <562E841B.5060403@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Mon,10/26/2015 12:37 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: > In fact, anything in line between the power supply and radio can > contribute to this. Even fuses, switches, power connectors and such. > Any connection that is loose or terminal that is loose will be a > voltage drop point. They just add up. Yes. I've been told that the DC bus in popular DC distribution strips is quite small considering the rated current. They're fine for accessories that don't draw much current, but don't run your rig through them (unless it's QRP)! 73, Jim K9YC From ron at cobi.biz Mon Oct 26 15:52:57 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:52:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Accuracy of Wattmeter W2 under 2 Watt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601d11027$ea001d20$be005760$@biz> Hajo: A power meter based on the AD8307, such as the PM2 uses, can be very accurate and sensitive but requires calibration. The AD3807 takes RF in and produces a dc output proportional to the logarithm of the input signal amplitude. I have a homebrew version based on a design by W7ZOI that works FB down to below -90 dbM. That's the native sensitivity of the AD8307. You are quite right that shielding is needed otherwise any local source of RF can upset the readings. I presume the PM2 has an input attenuator but any RF getting to the AD8307 chip can cause errors. If you have a steady source of RF nearby (i.e. a broadcast station) it can introduce a fixed error in addition to the jigger you saw from the RS232 bus. That will depend upon how they have terminated the input to the AD8307. I suggested a solution that is not dependent upon specialized test equipment most Hams don't have handy or depending upon the manufacturer's calibration data. If that is not an issue, by all means the PM2 is suitable. 73 and have fun! Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Hajo Dezelski Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 11:47 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Accuracy of Wattmeter W2 under 2 Watt Hello, Thanks for your suggestions. It seems that the owners of the W2 use it for higher power settings than qrpp. So it is natural that nobody could answer my questions. So I will continue to use my Pm2 http://www.foxdelta.com/products/pm2.htm . But in a private discussion I was pointed to a solution of the irritating numbers shown on the display. I have no cabinet and the cable from the RS232 was too long and not shielded. So there was some hf going direct into the circuits. So I will build a box and take some ferrits and hopefully will be happy. Thanks for the advice and your time. 73 de Hajo DL1SDZ Gruss Hajo --- Cela est bien dit, ...,mais il fault cultiver notre jardin. From dl1sdz at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 16:46:50 2015 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:46:50 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Accuracy of Wattmeter W2 under 2 Watt In-Reply-To: <000601d11027$ea001d20$be005760$@biz> References: <000601d11027$ea001d20$be005760$@biz> Message-ID: Hi Ron, I bought the unit from a ham, who finds pleasure and has the equipment to calibrate. And he did it to the unit and the sensors. This is all documented and well done. So I could measure my wspr output of 500 uW were I reached the 1 Mio km per Watt goal. But I had the troubles described above, so although I hate tinkering I will change my profession and will become a box maker ;-) and will report ... after I have done my homework. 73 de Hajo Am 26.10.2015 8:52 nachm. schrieb "Ron D'Eau Claire" : > Hajo: > > A power meter based on the AD8307, such as the PM2 uses, can be very > accurate and sensitive but requires calibration. The AD3807 takes RF in and > produces a dc output proportional to the logarithm of the input signal > amplitude. > > I have a homebrew version based on a design by W7ZOI that works FB down to > below -90 dbM. That's the native sensitivity of the AD8307. You are quite > right that shielding is needed otherwise any local source of RF can upset > the readings. I presume the PM2 has an input attenuator but any RF getting > to the AD8307 chip can cause errors. If you have a steady source of RF > nearby (i.e. a broadcast station) it can introduce a fixed error in > addition > to the jigger you saw from the RS232 bus. That will depend upon how they > have terminated the input to the AD8307. > > I suggested a solution that is not dependent upon specialized test > equipment > most Hams don't have handy or depending upon the manufacturer's calibration > data. If that is not an issue, by all means the PM2 is suitable. > > 73 and have fun! > > Ron AC7AC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Hajo > Dezelski > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 11:47 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Accuracy of Wattmeter W2 under 2 Watt > > Hello, > > Thanks for your suggestions. It seems that the owners of the W2 use it for > higher power settings than qrpp. So it is natural that nobody could answer > my questions. > > So I will continue to use my Pm2 http://www.foxdelta.com/products/pm2.htm > . > But in a private discussion I was pointed to a solution of the irritating > numbers shown on the display. I have no cabinet and the cable from the > RS232 was too long and not shielded. So there was some hf going direct into > the circuits. So I will build a box and take some ferrits and hopefully > will > be happy. > > Thanks for the advice and your time. > > 73 de Hajo DL1SDZ > > Gruss > Hajo > > --- > Cela est bien dit, ...,mais il fault cultiver notre jardin. > > From jbollit at outlook.com Mon Oct 26 16:46:08 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 13:46:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? In-Reply-To: <56227E69.30804@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <56227E69.30804@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jim. I used the Kenwood TS-480 when the rig was in the shop, and the audio was better, fewer pops and hiss, and the Noise Reduction was noticeably better on the Kenwood 480. Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 9:59 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Popping noise in headphones?? On Fri,10/16/2015 11:15 PM, Jim Bolit wrote: > The popping is present as I rotate the BW control back to wider bandwidths also, but the popping stops once above 200 Hz bandwidth. Hi Jim, I also do a lot of digging for weak signals, but I rarely go narrower than 200 Hz because I find the filter ringing on noise takes over. Yes, I'm using the optimal setting to minimize ringing. If you're hearing the popping and others are not, perhaps you're using more AF gain and less RF gain than they are. If so, I suggest adjusting that ratio in the direction of less AF gain and see if you can reach a happy compromise. As an OT CW op, I do recognize the virtue of not using excessive RF gain. And maybe Wayne can do something about the switching transient in a future firmware firmware release. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Oct 26 16:55:03 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 13:55:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562E841B.5060403@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I gave up running my K3 through a RigRunner for just that reason. I put in a short lead directly to the battery bank APP junction strip and things got a lot better. They got even better with a N8XJK Boost Regulator between the K3 and the junction. (Tested with 100W into a dummy load.) 73 Bill AE6JV On 10/26/15 at 12:50 PM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: >On Mon,10/26/2015 12:37 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: >>In fact, anything in line between the power supply and radio >>can contribute to this. Even fuses, switches, power >>connectors and such. Any connection that is loose or terminal >>that is loose will be a voltage drop point. They just add up. > >Yes. I've been told that the DC bus in popular DC distribution >strips is quite small considering the rated current. They're >fine for accessories that don't draw much current, but don't >run your rig through them (unless it's QRP)! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If the site is supported by | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | ads, you are the product. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From jim at jtmiller.com Mon Oct 26 17:08:33 2015 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:08:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: References: <562E841B.5060403@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I was having too much drop with RR as well. I switched to a 1ft line directly to my Samlex 1235M which has been jacked to 14.4v no load. It only moves a few mV when loaded to 20A. IIRC, the cable is now AWG12. jim ab3cv From jim at jtmiller.com Mon Oct 26 17:09:24 2015 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:09:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: References: <562E841B.5060403@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Forgot to mention: the RR runs everything else that needs 14v. On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > I was having too much drop with RR as well. I switched to a 1ft line > directly to my Samlex 1235M which has been jacked to 14.4v no load. It only > moves a few mV when loaded to 20A. > > IIRC, the cable is now AWG12. > > jim ab3cv > > From dl1sdz at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 17:11:18 2015 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 22:11:18 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Accuracy of Wattmeter W2 under 2 Watt In-Reply-To: References: <000601d11027$ea001d20$be005760$@biz> Message-ID: Silly me, I was just told, that I even have a newer version PMA3 http://www.foxdelta.com/products/pm3.htm It is sometimes a pain getting older. 73 de Hajo From rmcgraw at blomand.net Mon Oct 26 17:18:58 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 16:18:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562E98C2.2070009@blomand.net> Well my take.....ANYTHING between the power source and radio has resistance, regardless of how small. Resistance with any amount of current equals voltage drop. Thus E = IR Where E is the voltage drop, I is the current and R is the resistance. I'm not sure what some of those thing are nor why they are needed but I do know least is best. As to operating from batteries, floating AGM batteries at 13.8 should not produce any voltage drop other than the resistance of the power cable. Of course a fuse or switch in line does have R so there goes the regulation as current changes. Nothing is better than a good regulated supply and hopefully one with remote voltage sensing. Of course those are more expensive and more of a challenge to install and then have operate correctly in the presence of a RF field. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s.n. 10163 On 10/26/2015 3:55 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > I gave up running my K3 through a RigRunner for just that reason. I > put in a short lead directly to the battery bank APP junction strip > and things got a lot better. They got even better with a N8XJK Boost > Regulator between the K3 and the junction. (Tested with 100W into a > dummy load.) > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 10/26/15 at 12:50 PM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: > >> On Mon,10/26/2015 12:37 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: >>> In fact, anything in line between the power supply and radio can >>> contribute to this. Even fuses, switches, power connectors and >>> such. Any connection that is loose or terminal that is loose will >>> be a voltage drop point. They just add up. >> >> Yes. I've been told that the DC bus in popular DC distribution strips >> is quite small considering the rated current. They're fine for >> accessories that don't draw much current, but don't run your rig >> through them (unless it's QRP)! From idarack at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 17:55:34 2015 From: idarack at gmail.com (KD3TB) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:55:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A synthesizer question Message-ID: <00cc01d11039$0b3ccf90$21b66eb0$@com> I have an older K3 with a sub receiver that I am thinking of upgrading. This is a second radio that I use at my beach house. If I rarely use the sub receiver, can I just upgrade the main receiver board with one KSYN3A synthesizer or do I need to purchase two KSYN3A synthesizers? Irwin Darack - KD3TB From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Oct 26 18:07:23 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:07:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562E98C2.2070009@blomand.net> Message-ID: Perhaps it's vanity, but I like running my rig off solar power and batteries. Since I also take the rig out in the field somewhat frequently, battery power avoids noisy generators. (Besides, I own the panels and batteries, but don't own a generator.) In any case, floating batteries requires a power source during operations which doesn't work really well with solar power at night. The WVARA operation discovered during the last California QSO Party that tired batteries and K3s are a recipe for transmitter distortion and local interference in a multi-radio operation. The N8XJK Battery Booster is an attempt to get more life from tired batteries into the just before dawn hours. 73 Bill AE6JV On 10/26/15 at 2:18 PM, rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) wrote: >Well my take.....ANYTHING between the power source and radio >has resistance, regardless of how small. Resistance with any >amount of current equals voltage drop. Thus E = IR Where E >is the voltage drop, I is the current and R is the resistance. > >I'm not sure what some of those thing are nor why they are >needed but I do know least is best. As to operating from >batteries, floating AGM batteries at 13.8 should not produce >any voltage drop other than the resistance of the power >cable. Of course a fuse or switch in line does have R so >there goes the regulation as current changes. Nothing is >better than a good regulated supply and hopefully one with >remote voltage sensing. Of course those are more expensive >and more of a challenge to install and then have operate >correctly in the presence of a RF field. > >73 >Bob, K4TAX >K3S s.n. 10163 > >On 10/26/2015 3:55 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>I gave up running my K3 through a RigRunner for just that >>reason. I put in a short lead directly to the battery bank APP >>junction strip and things got a lot better. They got even >>better with a N8XJK Boost Regulator between the K3 and the >>junction. (Tested with 100W into a dummy load.) >> >>73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Oct 26 18:08:20 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:08:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A synthesizer question In-Reply-To: <00cc01d11039$0b3ccf90$21b66eb0$@com> Message-ID: Unless you want to remove the sub receiver, you will need two new synths. 73 Bill AE6JV On 10/26/15 at 2:55 PM, idarack at gmail.com (KD3TB) wrote: > I have an older K3 with a sub receiver that I am thinking of upgrading. > This is a second radio that I use at my beach house. If I rarely use the sub > receiver, can I just upgrade the main receiver board with one KSYN3A > synthesizer or do I need to purchase two KSYN3A synthesizers? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Hardware Management Modes: | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | If there's a mode, there's a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | failure mode. - Jerry Leichter | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From ron at cobi.biz Mon Oct 26 18:11:21 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:11:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A synthesizer question In-Reply-To: <00cc01d11039$0b3ccf90$21b66eb0$@com> References: <00cc01d11039$0b3ccf90$21b66eb0$@com> Message-ID: <000001d1103b$3f97e890$bec7b9b0$@biz> You need two. The K3 cannot handle one of each in the same receiver. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of KD3TB Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 2:56 PM To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A synthesizer question I have an older K3 with a sub receiver that I am thinking of upgrading. This is a second radio that I use at my beach house. If I rarely use the sub receiver, can I just upgrade the main receiver board with one KSYN3A synthesizer or do I need to purchase two KSYN3A synthesizers? Irwin Darack - KD3TB From rpfjeld at outlook.com Mon Oct 26 19:29:53 2015 From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 18:29:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562E5033.6000905@socal.rr.com> <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> Message-ID: It would be nice to have test point type jacks on the back of the K3 to test the voltage drop from the PS through the APP's entering the K3. This would check the accuracy of the K3 volt-meter as well. I don't remember what it looks like in the vicinity of the APP's. The next best thing we have is the 12V jack, but I think that has two diodes in series to it. Dick, n0ce On 10/26/2015 12:05 PM, Rich wrote: > Thanks to all. I have check my PS and it does not fluctuate even a > tenth of a volt on TX. With the radio connected directly to the PS. > I am now seeing 14.1 VDC and 12.0 VDC on TX. So I need to look closer > at the wire gauge and connectors. That is still about 2VDC drop. > > Thanks for the help > > rich > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 20:00:56 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 10:00:56 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562E5033.6000905@socal.rr.com> <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> Message-ID: <562ebeca.11b9420a.42699.6ed4@mx.google.com> This discussion has got me confused. If a power supply fails, it is pretty easy to fault find. If you use the correct size cable for the length you require, then it WILL work. Discussions on APP and test points seem to me to be a little pedantic as apart from from a power supply failure I have not had voltage drop issues other than killing a large battery bank while exuberantly working a field day operation some years ago. I blame Eric for chatting to me too long on that occasion....? >From memory the only other fault I have seen was a disconnected APP on the board. The owner told me had no idea how that came about. I re-soldered the connection and the K3 came back to life. Caveat emptor......i have always used a heavier DC power lead. Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Richard Fjeld" Sent: ?27/?10/?2015 9:30 AM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX It would be nice to have test point type jacks on the back of the K3 to test the voltage drop from the PS through the APP's entering the K3. This would check the accuracy of the K3 volt-meter as well. I don't remember what it looks like in the vicinity of the APP's. The next best thing we have is the 12V jack, but I think that has two diodes in series to it. Dick, n0ce On 10/26/2015 12:05 PM, Rich wrote: > Thanks to all. I have check my PS and it does not fluctuate even a > tenth of a volt on TX. With the radio connected directly to the PS. > I am now seeing 14.1 VDC and 12.0 VDC on TX. So I need to look closer > at the wire gauge and connectors. That is still about 2VDC drop. > > Thanks for the help > > rich > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Oct 26 20:25:21 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 17:25:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] So: Which mini-keyboard to use with the PX3? Message-ID: Hi all, I'm shopping for a very compact (10" or less in width) wireless keyboard to use with my PX3. Obviously it'll be no-frills, no numeric keypad, etc. The Logitech 360 works great but takes up too much space, IMHO. The PX3's keyboard feature has been in test for awhile. Can anyone enthusiastically endorse a specific keyboard that works with the PX3, is small, inexpensive, and widely available? If we find one that meets these criteria, we may start stocking it. 73, Wayne N6KR From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Mon Oct 26 20:57:13 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (Fred Smith) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:57:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] So: Which mini-keyboard to use with the PX3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wayne with my P3 I use a Flexible roll-up usb keyboard don't remember the brand off hand. Fred. N0AZZ Sent from my iPad > On Oct 26, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm shopping for a very compact (10" or less in width) wireless keyboard to use with my PX3. Obviously it'll be no-frills, no numeric keypad, etc. The Logitech 360 works great but takes up too much space, IMHO. > > The PX3's keyboard feature has been in test for awhile. Can anyone enthusiastically endorse a specific keyboard that works with the PX3, is small, inexpensive, and widely available? > > If we find one that meets these criteria, we may start stocking it. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com > From ac5p at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 26 20:59:40 2015 From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (ac5p at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 00:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50876028.3014192.1445907580199.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> If voltage is being checked via the K3 display, I believe there is a series diode before the internal metering that adds a 0.6V drop in TX??? 73, Mike? AC5P On Monday, October 26, 2015 5:08 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: Perhaps it's vanity, but I like running my rig off solar power and batteries. Since I also take the rig out in the field somewhat frequently, battery power avoids noisy generators. (Besides, I own the panels and batteries, but don't own a generator.) In any case, floating batteries requires a power source during operations which doesn't work really well with solar power at night. The WVARA operation discovered during the last California QSO Party that tired batteries and K3s are a recipe for transmitter distortion and local interference in a multi-radio operation. The N8XJK Battery Booster is an attempt to get more life from tired batteries into the just before dawn hours. 73 Bill AE6JV On 10/26/15 at 2:18 PM, rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) wrote: >Well my take.....ANYTHING between the power source and radio >has resistance, regardless of how small.? Resistance with any >amount of current equals voltage drop.? Thus E = IR? Where E >is the voltage drop, I is the current and R is the resistance. > >I'm not sure what some of those thing are nor why they are >needed but I do know least is best.? As to operating from >batteries, floating AGM batteries at 13.8 should not produce >any voltage drop other than the resistance of the power >cable.? ? Of course a fuse or switch in line does have R so >there goes the regulation as current changes.? Nothing is >better than a good regulated supply and hopefully one with >remote voltage sensing.? Of course those are more expensive >and more of a challenge to install and then have operate >correctly in the presence of a RF field. > >73 >Bob, K4TAX >K3S s.n. 10163 > >On 10/26/2015 3:55 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>I gave up running my K3 through a RigRunner for just that >>reason. I put in a short lead directly to the battery bank APP >>junction strip and things got a lot better. They got even >>better with a N8XJK Boost Regulator between the K3 and the >>junction. (Tested with 100W into a dummy load.) >> >>73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz? ? ? ? |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)356-8506? ? ? |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |from.? - Andrew Tanenbaum? ? | Los Gatos, CA 95032 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ac5p at sbcglobal.net From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Mon Oct 26 21:02:16 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:02:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562E5033.6000905@socal.rr.com> <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> Message-ID: <562ECD18.2000707@embarqmail.com> Dick, If the main interest is the drop in voltage, the 12V jack will work fine, no matter how many diodes are in series with it. So you get 10 volts during RX and 9 volts during TX, that is a 1 volt drop (OK, that is extreme, but hopefully makes the point). If you are instead looking for the absolute voltage delivered to the K3, use the VFO B voltage display. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/26/2015 7:29 PM, Richard Fjeld wrote: > It would be nice to have test point type jacks on the back of the K3 > to test the voltage drop from the PS through the APP's entering the K3. > This would check the accuracy of the K3 volt-meter as well. I don't > remember what it looks like in the vicinity of the APP's. > > The next best thing we have is the 12V jack, but I think that has two > diodes in series to it. > From efortner at ctc.net Mon Oct 26 21:17:52 2015 From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:17:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: References: <562E841B.5060403@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <003f01d11055$4e004480$ea00cd80$@net> I am using the same SamLex supply with the K3s Elecraft power cord that came with the kit. At 100 Watts key down I can just see the voltmeter move maybe the width of the needle. The readout on the radio does not dim. Earl, K4KAY -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Miller Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 5:09 PM To: Bill Frantz Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX I was having too much drop with RR as well. I switched to a 1ft line directly to my Samlex 1235M which has been jacked to 14.4v no load. It only moves a few mV when loaded to 20A. IIRC, the cable is now AWG12. jim ab3cv ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to efortner at ctc.net From rmcgraw at blomand.net Mon Oct 26 21:24:50 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:24:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562ECD18.2000707@embarqmail.com> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562E5033.6000905@socal.rr.com> <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> <562ECD18.2000707@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <562ED262.3090108@blomand.net> Seems to me the display on VFO B is accurate enough for this purpose. Now to make sure of the accuracy along with voltage drop, measure the voltage at the power supply terminals. I would expect the voltage at the power supply terminals and the VFO B display in receive mode to be identical, +/- meter accuracy. As Don said, diodes or no diodes, the objective is voltage drop at the radio between RX and TX full power. I would perceive anything greater than 0.5 volts as shown on the VFO B display is reason for one to investigate the station DC power distribution. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 10/26/2015 8:02 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Dick, > > If the main interest is the drop in voltage, the 12V jack will work > fine, no matter how many diodes are in series with it. > So you get 10 volts during RX and 9 volts during TX, that is a 1 volt > drop (OK, that is extreme, but hopefully makes the point). > If you are instead looking for the absolute voltage delivered to the > K3, use the VFO B voltage display. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From rwnewbould at comcast.net Mon Oct 26 21:26:27 2015 From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:26:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Issue Resolved K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562ebeca.11b9420a.42699.6ed4@mx.google.com> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562E5033.6000905@socal.rr.com> <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> <562ebeca.11b9420a.42699.6ed4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <562ED2C3.2010508@comcast.net> Thanks for all of the great advice. I have made several changes and here are the results. I wired my radio directly to the PS with AGW 10 probably about four feet. Thus removing the radio from the automatic battery switch over and then from the rigrunner. I now have the following voltages measured with the VFO B display. No fuse in line - 14.2VDC RX 13.6VDC TX Power pole fuse block 30amp bladed fuses 14.2VDC RX 12.8VDC TX Obviously I am not going to leave myself without fuses. So 12.8VDC seems to be the number. My external watt meter reads 107watts out. Thank you all for you help. Rich From bw396ss at yahoo.com Mon Oct 26 21:27:35 2015 From: bw396ss at yahoo.com (Bill Wiehe) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 01:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 - Utility not working - FINAL REPORT References: <316733287.4430674.1445909255295.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <316733287.4430674.1445909255295.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Some may recall I had a issue with my KAT500 not connecting to the computer therefore not allowing me to use the KAT Utility. After checking com ports and ever purchasing a new KXUSB cable from Elecraft, I sent the unit off to the mother ship for a look-see. ?Turns out we lost transistors Q1 and Q2. They were replaced and all is well once again. I do not know how or why they were "blown" but we happy all is once again working. Thanks to the Elecraft Team and Service Tech Cory for the quick turn around. Bill-W0BBI From mhvnmn at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 21:39:11 2015 From: mhvnmn at gmail.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:39:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] So: Which mini-keyboard to use with the PX3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7FA53472-98C3-4D3E-BCCD-AD37FAAB6AB0@gmail.com> I used several different keyboards, including two from Logitech, but prefer the slim wireless from Anker. I'm a touch typist and don't need a numeric keypad for hamming, but I do want full size keys and full spacing. This is the best I've found: http://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-Compact-Keyboard-Dedicated/dp/B00PK07616/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445909318&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=anker+wireless+keyboard+ultra+slim&psc=1 It matches the KX3/PX3 in style, color, and (light) weight, looks good, feels good, and it's affordable. -- Marc W8SDG >> On Oct 26, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> I'm shopping for a very compact (10" or less in width) wireless keyboard to use with my PX3. Obviously it'll be no-frills, no numeric keypad, etc. The Logitech 360 works great but takes up too much space, IMHO. >> >> The PX3's keyboard feature has been in test for awhile. Can anyone enthusiastically endorse a specific keyboard that works with the PX3, is small, inexpensive, and widely available? >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Oct 26 21:58:11 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 18:58:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] So: Which mini-keyboard to use with the PX3? In-Reply-To: <7FA53472-98C3-4D3E-BCCD-AD37FAAB6AB0@gmail.com> References: <7FA53472-98C3-4D3E-BCCD-AD37FAAB6AB0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <96D0162F-D35D-4E71-BC63-91DEFEF1F1B0@elecraft.com> Nice. Wayne On Oct 26, 2015, at 6:39 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote: > I used several different keyboards, including two from Logitech, but prefer the slim wireless from Anker. I'm a touch typist and don't need a numeric keypad for hamming, but I do want full size keys and full spacing. This is the best I've found: > http://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-Compact-Keyboard-Dedicated/dp/B00PK07616/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445909318&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=anker+wireless+keyboard+ultra+slim&psc=1 > > It matches the KX3/PX3 in style, color, and (light) weight, looks good, feels good, and it's affordable. > -- > Marc W8SDG > > > > >>> On Oct 26, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> >>> I'm shopping for a very compact (10" or less in width) wireless keyboard to use with my PX3. Obviously it'll be no-frills, no numeric keypad, etc. The Logitech 360 works great but takes up too much space, IMHO. >>> >>> The PX3's keyboard feature has been in test for awhile. Can anyone enthusiastically endorse a specific keyboard that works with the PX3, is small, inexpensive, and widely available? >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR From jim at n7us.net Mon Oct 26 22:36:06 2015 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 21:36:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] So: Which mini-keyboard to use with the PX3? In-Reply-To: <7FA53472-98C3-4D3E-BCCD-AD37FAAB6AB0@gmail.com> References: <7FA53472-98C3-4D3E-BCCD-AD37FAAB6AB0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004f01d11060$3bb94f00$b32bed00$@n7us.net> I use a Bluetooth version with my Samsung Galaxy 5 phone, and I like it but I'm not a touch typist. It was only $13 on Amazon. I would call it lightweight; some might call it flimsy. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- I used several different keyboards, including two from Logitech, but prefer the slim wireless from Anker. I'm a touch typist and don't need a numeric keypad for hamming, but I do want full size keys and full spacing. This is the best I've found: http://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wireless-Compact-Keyboard-Dedicated/dp/B00PK0761 6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445909318&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=anker+wireless+key board+ultra+slim&psc=1 It matches the KX3/PX3 in style, color, and (light) weight, looks good, feels good, and it's affordable. -- Marc W8SDG From n1al at sonic.net Mon Oct 26 23:05:19 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:05:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] So: Which mini-keyboard to use with the PX3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562EE9EF.9040303@sonic.net> On 10/26/2015 05:57 PM, Fred Smith wrote: > Wayne with my P3 I use a Flexible roll-up usb keyboard don't remember the brand off hand. > > Fred. N0AZZ I also have a no-name flexible roll-up keyboard that works fine with the PX3 but I don't like it. I find I have to hit the key precisely in the center to make it work. If you hit it off-center sometimes you miss the character. Alan N1AL From indians at xsmail.com Tue Oct 27 11:30:19 2015 From: indians at xsmail.com (ok1rp) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 08:30:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Sticky NTCH and Auto SPOT failure Message-ID: <1445959819317-7609607.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, I am sending my apologize for maybe stupid questions... but I am interesting in you opinion and comments please. Is there possibility to set sticky notch filter (NTCH) in general at least or even better per band please? I am really worried to set NTCH always again after turning K3 on. I did not found it in manual... maybe my eyes getting worse. :( (latest f/w and f/p used) Also I realized that Auto SPOT in CWT mode is failing when manual NTCH is used. I am using NCTH set to 540Hz quite often (according to my low pitch at 450Hz or lower) and I realized that in that case the Auto SPOT function is not working properly. Is it normal because of math or is it my issue only? (hope not...:) Thanks for your time, 73 - Petr, OK1RP ----- http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Sticky-NTCH-and-Auto-SPOT-failure-tp7609607.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gregorysbrown at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 11:44:10 2015 From: gregorysbrown at gmail.com (Gregory Brown) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 08:44:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VFO a knob not working Message-ID: This morning the main knob on my KX3 stopped responding. It doesn't tune frequencies or menu settings. It was working fine an hour ago. Any ideas? Greg From btippett at alum.mit.edu Tue Oct 27 11:46:49 2015 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 08:46:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Issue Resolved K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562ED2C3.2010508@comcast.net> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562E5033.6000905@socal.rr.com> <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> <562ebeca.11b9420a.42699.6ed4@mx.google.com> <562ED2C3.2010508@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1445960809776-7609609.post@n2.nabble.com> If you operate SSB, you might want to run higher voltage at the K3 terminals (e.g. at 14.5V which is below the 15.0V spec) to minimize IMD. This was discussed extensively in 2009 but the following by W4TV is a good summary: ################################ > Is there something critical in the radio that > gives this outcome? Critical adjustment perhaps? > Is it very sensitive what PS we use (ala W4ZV)? Yes, it is very sensitive to power supply voltage. Look at any of the application notes - the one Craig mentions for the P-P RD100HHF FETs is a good example. Decreasing Vcc (or Vdd) by just one Volt will increase the IMD at 100 Watts by 10 dB and decrease the maximum output power by almost 20 Watts. Running the power supply at 14.0 - 14.5 Volts and using a power supply with good dynamic regulation will go a long way to keeping the K3 "clean." ################################# -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Voltage-on-TX-tp7609564p7609609.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nq5t at tx.rr.com Tue Oct 27 12:07:40 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 11:07:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VFO a knob not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you possibly ?lock? the tuning? Tapping RATE will unlock it if you did. Grant NQ5T > On Oct 27, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Gregory Brown wrote: > > This morning the main knob on my KX3 stopped responding. It doesn't tune > frequencies or menu settings. > > It was working fine an hour ago. > > Any ideas? > From pincon at erols.com Tue Oct 27 12:15:50 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:15:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VFO a knob not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007001d110d2$c32e40e0$498ac2a0$@erols.com> Please let us all know if that fixes it. We promise not to laugh as we all have done similar things and we feel so much better when someone ELSE does them too (HI). Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of GRANT YOUNGMAN Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 12:08 PM To: Gregory Brown Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 VFO a knob not working Did you possibly ?lock? the tuning? Tapping RATE will unlock it if you did. Grant NQ5T > On Oct 27, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Gregory Brown wrote: > > This morning the main knob on my KX3 stopped responding. It doesn't > tune frequencies or menu settings. > > It was working fine an hour ago. > > Any ideas? > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From gregorysbrown at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 12:43:56 2015 From: gregorysbrown at gmail.com (Gregory Brown) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 09:43:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 VFO a knob not working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Haha. No I'm not in lock mode. That was the first thing I checked! Greg KE4PDG On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Gregory Brown wrote: > This morning the main knob on my KX3 stopped responding. It doesn't tune > frequencies or menu settings. > > It was working fine an hour ago. > > Any ideas? > > Greg > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Oct 27 12:45:06 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 09:45:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Issue Resolved K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <1445960809776-7609609.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> <562E4EA8.30001@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562E5033.6000905@socal.rr.com> <562E5D59.8010509@comcast.net> <562ebeca.11b9420a.42699.6ed4@mx.google.com> <562ED2C3.2010508@comcast.net> <1445960809776-7609609.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <562FAA12.3000605@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,10/27/2015 8:46 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > If you operate SSB, you might want to run higher voltage at the K3 terminals > (e.g. at 14.5V which is below the 15.0V spec) to minimize IMD. IMD is just as much a factor on CW as on SSB. CW is really 100% AM of a carrier by a square wave, which we all know is a lot of AF harmonics, the strength of which is dependent on the rise and fall time of the keying waveform. IMD is clearly visible in the sidebands of CW signals on a spectrum display set for very good frequency resolution -- like a P3, and especially a P3 with SVGA. Take a look at http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf These data are with power supply voltage in the range of 12.5V. 73, Jim K9YC From k9ztv at socket.net Tue Oct 27 13:24:53 2015 From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:24:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?W=C3=98O_HALLOWEEN_FROM_FRANKENSTEIN=2C_MISS?= =?utf-8?q?OURI?= Message-ID: <562FB365.5070108@socket.net> Elecraft friends. . . Look for the Mid-MO Amateur Radio Club's annual "Halloween Funexpedition" from Frankenstein, Missouri. Begins 1900 GMT Saturday, October 31st. May run all night, may not (we're getting old). Possible operations Sunday morning. As best we can determine, Missouri has the /only /incorporated "Frankenstein" in the continental United States. Two K3 rigs, one each on CW and SSB, running 100 watts to dipole antennas at 30 feet. Be patient with us, operator skills will vary. We're trying to involve newly licensed hams this year. QSL information (read it carefully) can be found at the "W?O" listing on QRZ.COM. Bands will be 80-40-20 with higher bands dependent on propagation. Frequencies . . . who knows. That's what P3s and PX3s are for (and spotting sites). 73, Kent Trimble, K9ZTV Special Event Chairman Mid-MO Amateur Radio Club Jefferson City, Missouri From mr_pookie_jr at yahoo.com Tue Oct 27 13:53:47 2015 From: mr_pookie_jr at yahoo.com (Paul Clay) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 10:53:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? Message-ID: <1445968427.53263.YahooMailBasic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I was wondering if and when a full-on review of the K3S would be forthcoming. I'm a bit surprised that following its release there hasn't been a lot of reviews posted (certainly no comparison to the number of reviews that followed the release of the original K3). A comprehensive review of the K3S, particularly with reference to the original K3, would help me to decide whether the main issue that held me back from pulling the trigger and ordering a K3 some time ago (specifically, the quality of the original K3's receive audio, and the anecdotal observations that the K3's receive audio was "tiring" to listen to) has been resolved in the K3S. BTW, if such a review has already been posted or published somewhere and I just missed it, I'd would really appreciate a referral to it. (The holidays are approaching and my "wish list" is not yet complete. ) Thanks! - Paul N6LQ (happy builder, owner, and operator of an Elecraft K2/100) From k2mk at comcast.net Tue Oct 27 14:58:25 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 11:58:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: <1445968427.53263.YahooMailBasic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1445968427.53263.YahooMailBasic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1445972305718-7609616.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Paul, I'm pretty sure that the "tiring" issue with the K3 was put to bed with the DSP upgrade with low pass filtering (K3DSPUPGD) in 2010. 73, Mike K2MK Elecraft mailing list wrote > I was wondering if and when a full-on review of the K3S would be > forthcoming. I'm a bit surprised that following its release there hasn't > been a lot of reviews posted (certainly no comparison to the number of > reviews that followed the release of the original K3). A comprehensive > review of the K3S, particularly with reference to the original K3, would > help me to decide whether the main issue that held me back from pulling > the trigger and ordering a K3 some time ago (specifically, the quality of > the original K3's receive audio, and the anecdotal observations that the > K3's receive audio was "tiring" to listen to) has been resolved in the > K3S. > > BTW, if such a review has already been posted or published somewhere and I > just missed it, I'd would really appreciate a referral to it. (The > holidays are approaching and my "wish list" is not yet complete. > > ) > > Thanks! > - Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-In-Depth-Review-Coming-Soon-tp7609615p7609616.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From wb5jnc at centurytel.net Tue Oct 27 15:01:49 2015 From: wb5jnc at centurytel.net (Al Gulseth) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:01:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/10 PS voltage vs IMD? (was Re: Issue Resolved K3 Voltage on TX) Message-ID: <201510271401.49217.wb5jnc@centurytel.net> (My apologies if this has been covered and I missed it in the archives.) Would the 14.5V recommendation also apply to other Elecraft rigs (in my case a K2/10) for best IMD perfomance? Are there any tradeoffs in other areas at that voltage vs. 12.6 (i.e. battery) or 13.8? TNX/73, Al On Tue October 27 2015 11:45:06 am Jim Brown wrote: > On Tue,10/27/2015 8:46 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > > If you operate SSB, you might want to run higher voltage at the K3 > > terminals (e.g. at 14.5V which is below the 15.0V spec) to minimize IMD. > > IMD is just as much a factor on CW as on SSB. CW is really 100% AM of a > carrier by a square wave, which we all know is a lot of AF harmonics, > the strength of which is dependent on the rise and fall time of the > keying waveform. IMD is clearly visible in the sidebands of CW signals > on a spectrum display set for very good frequency resolution -- like a > P3, and especially a P3 with SVGA. > > Take a look at http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf > > These data are with power supply voltage in the range of 12.5V. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5jnc at centurytel.net From n0nb at n0nb.us Tue Oct 27 15:30:09 2015 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:30:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: <1445972305718-7609616.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445968427.53263.YahooMailBasic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1445972305718-7609616.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <20151027193009.GY3399@n0nb.us> * On 2015 27 Oct 13:59 -0500, Mike K2MK wrote: > Hi Paul, > > I'm pretty sure that the "tiring" issue with the K3 was put to bed with the > DSP upgrade with low pass filtering (K3DSPUPGD) in 2010. I've had my K3 just over 5 years--received in October 2010--and I've never experienced the "tiring audio". Still, this gets trotted out on various forums from time to time as an ongoing issue that has apparently never been resolved, at least to those who complain about it. Expressions to the contrary fall on seemingly deaf ears. Sigh. 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us From bobchortek at yahoo.com Tue Oct 27 15:32:42 2015 From: bobchortek at yahoo.com (Chortek Bob) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 19:32:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: <1445972305718-7609616.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445972305718-7609616.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1880756272.471567.1445974362442.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> The recent ARRL review of the upgraded synthesizer performance is available in the current issue of QST. That, by far, is the biggest change in the K3S vs. the K3 (not that there aren't other changes, such as cw performance, LF rx, etc.) 73, Bob/AA6VB From: Mike K2MK To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? Hi Paul, I'm pretty sure that the "tiring" issue with the K3 was put to bed with the DSP upgrade with low pass filtering (K3DSPUPGD) in 2010. 73, Mike K2MK Elecraft mailing list wrote > I was wondering if and when a full-on review of the K3S would be > forthcoming.? I'm a bit surprised that following its release there hasn't > been a lot of reviews posted (certainly no comparison to the number of > reviews that followed the release of the original K3).? A comprehensive > review of the K3S, particularly with reference to the original K3, would > help me to decide whether the main issue that held me back from pulling > the trigger and ordering a K3 some time ago (specifically, the quality of > the original K3's receive audio, and the anecdotal observations that the > K3's receive audio was "tiring" to listen to) has been resolved in the > K3S. > > BTW, if such a review has already been posted or published somewhere and I > just missed it, I'd would really appreciate a referral to it.? (The > holidays are approaching and my "wish list" is not yet complete. > > ) > > Thanks! > - Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-In-Depth-Review-Coming-Soon-tp7609615p7609616.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com From nn8b.oh at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 16:00:07 2015 From: nn8b.oh at gmail.com (NN8B) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:00:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 with keyboard Message-ID: <1445976007046-7609620.post@n2.nabble.com> Just got a new PX3 kit and assembled it last night. What a great addition to the KX3 station; thanks Elecraft. I have been seeing the posts about a keyboard and downloaded and installed the Beta firmware into the PX3. I had a wired Logitech K120 keyboard and plugged it into the PX3 and now I see a "K" in the right side of the screen. Where do I find how to utilize the keyboard and what it does? I presume it is for digi modes, but how do I use it? Thanks, Don, NN8B -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-with-keyboard-tp7609620.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 16:10:53 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 22:10:53 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: <1445968427.53263.YahooMailBasic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1445968427.53263.YahooMailBasic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <562FDA4D.9020809@gmail.com> Operators disagree about K3/K3S audio. To me it sounds great, others dislike it. The best way to settle the question for your own, personal ears, is to find someone nearby who will let you use his/her K3S for a few hours. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 27 Oct 2015 19:53, Paul Clay via Elecraft wrote: > I was wondering if and when a full-on review of the K3S would be > forthcoming. I'm a bit surprised that following its release there > hasn't been a lot of reviews posted (certainly no comparison to the > number of reviews that followed the release of the original K3). A > comprehensive review of the K3S, particularly with reference to the > original K3, would help me to decide whether the main issue that held > me back from pulling the trigger and ordering a K3 some time ago > (specifically, the quality of the original K3's receive audio, and > the anecdotal observations that the K3's receive audio was "tiring" > to listen to) has been resolved in the K3S. > > BTW, if such a review has already been posted or published somewhere > and I just missed it, I'd would really appreciate a referral to it. > (The holidays are approaching and my "wish list" is not yet complete. > ) > > Thanks! > > - Paul N6LQ (happy builder, owner, and operator of an Elecraft > K2/100) From bob at hogbytes.com Tue Oct 27 16:22:10 2015 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:22:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 with keyboard In-Reply-To: <1445976007046-7609620.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445976007046-7609620.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1445977330064-7609622.post@n2.nabble.com> Included in the zip file that contained the firmware update is a PDF that will answer your questions. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-with-keyboard-tp7609620p7609622.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Oct 27 16:28:19 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:28:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: <562FDA4D.9020809@gmail.com> References: <1445968427.53263.YahooMailBasic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <562FDA4D.9020809@gmail.com> Message-ID: We've made several changes to improve audio over years, and a K3S incorporates all of them: - K3: improved 12VDC decoupling to the AF amp - K3: added a dual low-noise LPF to eliminate residual sampling noise (mostly at 12 kHz) - K3: corrected DSP AGC algorithms, which were non-monotonic at some signal levels - K3S: redesigned AF output and driver stages for lower IMD Taken together, these changes provide a low-distortion, essentially flat audio passband. Most other modern transceivers use the same (or similar) class-AB final AF amp devices that we use in the K3/K3S, so how it sounds comes down to how RX EQ is set up, as well as the LO-CUT/HI-CUT (or shift/width) settings. 73, Wayne N6KR On Oct 27, 2015, at 1:10 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > Operators disagree about K3/K3S audio. From alsopb at nc.rr.com Tue Oct 27 16:35:56 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 20:35:56 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: References: <1445968427.53263.YahooMailBasic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <562FDA4D.9020809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <562FE02C.4020203@nc.rr.com> + AGC parameters? On 10/27/2015 20:28 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > We've made several changes to improve audio over years, and a K3S incorporates all of them: > > - K3: improved 12VDC decoupling to the AF amp > - K3: added a dual low-noise LPF to eliminate residual sampling noise (mostly at 12 kHz) > - K3: corrected DSP AGC algorithms, which were non-monotonic at some signal levels > - K3S: redesigned AF output and driver stages for lower IMD > > Taken together, these changes provide a low-distortion, essentially flat audio passband. Most other modern transceivers use the same (or similar) class-AB final AF amp devices that we use in the K3/K3S, so how it sounds comes down to how RX EQ is set up, as well as the LO-CUT/HI-CUT (or shift/width) settings. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Oct 27, 2015, at 1:10 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > >> Operators disagree about K3/K3S audio. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7163 / Virus Database: 4455/10898 - Release Date: 10/27/15 > > From lumin9 at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 17:02:02 2015 From: lumin9 at gmail.com (John Pierce) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:02:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: <1445968427.53263.YahooMailBasic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1445968427.53263.YahooMailBasic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ? Audio quality seems to be a very individual matter of taste. The language of audiophiles looks to be rivaled only by that of wine experts in trying to describe their taste. Radio communication audio doesn't have near that complexity, but there does still seem to be a lot of personal taste involved. I have a K3 that I purchased about 6 years ago. It has had all the update mods done to it (except for the KSYN3A upgrade). I also own a half dozen other RX, most of them of high quality. After setting the RX audio equalizer on the K3 to my own preference, I find that it is the easiest to understand and most pleasing RX audio of any of my receivers. John K7KEY On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Paul Clay via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > I was wondering if and when a full-on review of the K3S would be > forthcoming. I'm a bit surprised that following its release there hasn't > been a lot of reviews posted (certainly no comparison to the number of > reviews that followed the release of the original K3). A comprehensive > review of the K3S, particularly with reference to the original K3, would > help me to decide whether the main issue that held me back from pulling the > trigger and ordering a K3 some time ago (specifically, the quality of the > original K3's receive audio, and the anecdotal observations that the K3's > receive audio was "tiring" to listen to) has been resolved in the K3S. > > BTW, if such a review has already been posted or published somewhere and I > just missed it, I'd would really appreciate a referral to it. (The > holidays are approaching and my "wish list" is not yet complete. ) > > Thanks! > > - Paul > N6LQ (happy builder, owner, and operator of an Elecraft K2/100) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lumin9 at gmail.com > From ron at cobi.biz Tue Oct 27 17:06:51 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:06:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 with keyboard In-Reply-To: <1445976007046-7609620.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445976007046-7609620.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <003601d110fb$6737f050$35a7d0f0$@biz> The Owner's manual is being updated now but, in the meantime, print out the release notes that accompany your firmware. They describe all the new features and changes. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of NN8B Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 1:00 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 with keyboard Just got a new PX3 kit and assembled it last night. What a great addition to the KX3 station; thanks Elecraft. I have been seeing the posts about a keyboard and downloaded and installed the Beta firmware into the PX3. I had a wired Logitech K120 keyboard and plugged it into the PX3 and now I see a "K" in the right side of the screen. Where do I find how to utilize the keyboard and what it does? I presume it is for digi modes, but how do I use it? Thanks, Don, NN8B -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-with-keyboard-tp7609620.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at cobi.biz From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Tue Oct 27 17:20:05 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 17:20:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562FEA85.2080401@nycap.rr.com> When I first got my K3, I was very disappointed by the receive audio. Hissy etc. I think everyone knows what I am talking about. It was not my friend for a very long time. It took me months of experimenting with the various menu settings and speaker selections, but I eventually turned the K3 into the best arm chair copy receiver I have ever had. Most likely, my settings would not be very good for contesting or DXing - but, they suit my needs. Make your own settings to please you. Be sure to keep notes - the K3 is complicated and it very easy to get lost in a never ending maize of menus. There-in lies why the K3 is such a great rig. The menus allow it to be be adjusted to suit the needs of nearly everyone. Bill W2BLC K-Line From jeffvk4xa at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 17:54:01 2015 From: jeffvk4xa at gmail.com (Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:54:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Voltage on TX In-Reply-To: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> References: <562E4B67.5060907@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1445982841600-7609627.post@n2.nabble.com> Rich, The first K3 I owned always showed a large voltage drop on TX that was pretty much incurable (as well as other issues), much to my (and others) consternation. I tried (In no particular order) Heavy gauge power cables, No fuses, Upping the power supply voltage, Re soldering the 30 Amp Anderson plugs on the power cable [s] and numerous different power leads, all to no avail. So, I learnt to live with it sort of. (The issue was always in the back of my mind however.) After some time though, financial circumstances forced me to sell my beloved K - Line. The new owner of the K3 also had concerns about the voltage drop, but, as he knew that I had already tried all the common things listed above he gave the radio the 'once over'. imagine his surprise when he discovered that there was NO SOLDER AT ALL on the Anderson Plug leads where they connect to the mainboard of the radio! So, he soldered the connections and as a result, that K3 now works perfectly all the time and with minimal voltage drop. (Which is probably just as well as the owner is a gold miner and lives in bush camps in Tropical Far North Queensland, Australia using nothing but solar power and batteries.) So, it may just be an idea to open the radio and check the solder joints in and around the Anderson Plugs, you never know, your rig may have a dry joint there too. (And yes, I still own a K3, they ARE the best Amateur Radio transceiver on the planet after all) :) 73 de Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA (Ex VK4BOF, VK4VHF) Proud owner of Elecraft K3 #4767 Folks, I am not sure if I have some sort of issues or not. My K3 shows 13.7VDC on RX. When I TX that reading drops to 10.9VDC. Is that a normal drop? I do not believe this is a K3 issue, but I was wondering if others see that much drop before I dig into my 12VDC supply system. Thanks Rich ______________________________________________________________ ----- Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA Innisfail, QLD, Australia. K3 #4767 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Voltage-on-TX-tp7609564p7609627.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pincon at erols.com Tue Oct 27 17:56:38 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 17:56:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: References: <1445968427.53263.YahooMailBasic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00df01d11102$5ee1d400$1ca57c00$@erols.com> I'm not sure what they did, buy my new K3s sounds better to me than my original K3 (27xx S/N), as well as being better than the previous audio winner, my IC-7600. That said, I have some high frequency hearing loss making conversation in a crowd difficult. However, I could understand almost every one I heard during the CQWW contest last weekend. It was noticeably better and easier to listen to, than the '7600 Rx audio. Obviously, a personal thing, but I am quite pleased with the audio I'm getting from the K3s out of a pair of inexpensive computer speakers. The audio with the "AFX" enabled is a fun too. If you're only using one speaker, you owe it to yourself to plug in another one to experience the AFX mode. 73, Charlie k3ICH From lee.buller at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 18:32:44 2015 From: lee.buller at gmail.com (Leroy Buller) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 17:32:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC Message-ID: Hi guys.... Old topic from a Old Newbie. I have been fooling around with PSK 31 and I have it set up and working but I do have a question. Do most ops using this mode turn off the AGC and then ride the RF gain control because of the stronger signals in the band pass killing off the weaker signals? Is that how it is done....or am I missing something Yes, I have searched Google and could not find a good answer. Lee - K0WA From wes at triconet.org Tue Oct 27 18:50:31 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 15:50:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562FFFB7.3020802@triconet.org> I only work PSK on occasion. I do work a lot of RTTY tho...like V73D on 10M about 5 min ago. I never turn AGC off on any mode. Never understood why anyone would want to but I've only been licensed for 57 years, so maybe I missed something. On 10/27/2015 3:32 PM, Leroy Buller wrote: > Hi guys.... > > Old topic from a Old Newbie. I have been fooling around with PSK 31 and I > have it set up and working but I do have a question. Do most ops using > this mode turn off the AGC and then ride the RF gain control because of the > stronger signals in the band pass killing off the weaker signals? > > Is that how it is done....or am I missing something > > Yes, I have searched Google and could not find a good answer. > > Lee - K0WA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes at triconet.org > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Tue Oct 27 18:53:41 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 18:53:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56300075.8060204@embarqmail.com> Lee, I do not turn off the AGC, but instead use the filters to isolate the signal of interest with the Width and Shift controls in the event that a strong signal is monopolizing the waterfall. Yes, you can do it your way, but I believe my way will allow you to copy weaker signals easily. You will not see the full waterfall bandwidth with the filters narrowed, but then you are only interested in working one signal at a time. When you have finished the QSO, it is a simple matter to broaden the width and once again view the entire "battlefield". 73, Don W3FPR On 10/27/2015 6:32 PM, Leroy Buller wrote: > Hi guys.... > > Old topic from a Old Newbie. I have been fooling around with PSK 31 and I > have it set up and working but I do have a question. Do most ops using > this mode turn off the AGC and then ride the RF gain control because of the > stronger signals in the band pass killing off the weaker signals? > > Is that how it is done....or am I missing something > > From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 19:37:59 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 16:37:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC In-Reply-To: <56300075.8060204@embarqmail.com> References: <56300075.8060204@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <56300AD7.3020800@gmail.com> What Don says, plus if you're using a sound card interface (any flavor) to decode the digital, keep the LIN OUT low (mine is set to 1, zero is off) THEN keep the audio as light as possible (driver software) into the computer decoder. What you want is to NOT let the sound card AGC get triggered at all. It only screws things up when that happens. This is a case of least is best. BUT if you listen to a wider than needed audio bandwidth, the sound card AGC will get tripped which is why there is blocking from the stronger audio signals. Use tightly placed filters for QSO, then use a skimmer (wide audio) when hunting. RTTY seems to need 10 or so dbm above the noise floor for good decoding, PSK can be run at the noise floor, most times (depends on if atmospheric or human noises). It requires a lot of experimentation and with changing conditions, one size doesn't fit all cases. Expect to fiddle with it, often. Rick wa6nhc On 10/27/2015 3:53 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Lee, > > I do not turn off the AGC, but instead use the filters to isolate the > signal of interest with the Width and Shift controls in the event that > a strong signal is monopolizing the waterfall. > > Yes, you can do it your way, but I believe my way will allow you to > copy weaker signals easily. You will not see the full waterfall > bandwidth with the filters narrowed, but then you are only interested > in working one signal at a time. When you have finished the QSO, it > is a simple matter to broaden the width and once again view the entire > "battlefield". > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 10/27/2015 6:32 PM, Leroy Buller wrote: >> Hi guys.... >> >> Old topic from a Old Newbie. I have been fooling around with PSK >> 31 and I >> have it set up and working but I do have a question. Do most ops using >> this mode turn off the AGC and then ride the RF gain control because >> of the >> stronger signals in the band pass killing off the weaker signals? >> >> Is that how it is done....or am I missing something >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Tue Oct 27 19:59:56 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 16:59:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I was using a SignaLink, I used the RF gain control to keep strong signals from overloading the input to the computer. I would also use the Shift and Width controls to isolate a signal, and got a 250 Hz filter to help. Dropping the RF gain control until the band noise almost disappeared from the waterfall also seemed to improve decoding. I now use a Tascam US-122 mkII interface. I don't have to adjust the RF gain control at all. YMMV. 73 Bill AE6JV On 10/27/15 at 3:32 PM, lee.buller at gmail.com (Leroy Buller) wrote: >Old topic from a Old Newbie. I have been fooling around with PSK 31 and I >have it set up and working but I do have a question. Do most ops using >this mode turn off the AGC and then ride the RF gain control because of the >stronger signals in the band pass killing off the weaker signals? > >Is that how it is done....or am I missing something > >Yes, I have searched Google and could not find a good answer. > >Lee - K0WA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |The nice thing about standards| Periwinkle (408)356-8506 |is there are so many to choose| 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com |from. - Andrew Tanenbaum | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From rmcgraw at blomand.net Tue Oct 27 20:02:47 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 19:02:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <563010A7.9020100@blomand.net> I do run a fair amount of PSK-31 and much enjoy the same. In that regard I always run AGC-F. For selectivity, in dealing with strong signals in the midst of weak signals, I shift the passband and tighten the bandwidth as needed. RF gain is always adjusted based on band noise such that signals just flicker the S meter. NR and NB can be used with success. However adjustment of the parameters will be likely needed, again based on band noise and signals. In other words "there is no shoe size that fits all". Skill, practice and patience prevails. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 10/27/2015 5:32 PM, Leroy Buller wrote: > Hi guys.... > > Old topic from a Old Newbie. I have been fooling around with PSK 31 and I > have it set up and working but I do have a question. Do most ops using > this mode turn off the AGC and then ride the RF gain control because of the > stronger signals in the band pass killing off the weaker signals? > > Is that how it is done....or am I missing something > > Yes, I have searched Google and could not find a good answer. > > Lee - K0WA From vadept at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 20:22:12 2015 From: vadept at gmail.com (Frank Precissi) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 00:22:12 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC In-Reply-To: <563010A7.9020100@blomand.net> References: <563010A7.9020100@blomand.net> Message-ID: I run the K3 with AGC-Off in all digital modes and rely on the roofing/DSP filters to edge out really strong signals. Most of the time the software will compensate in pulling the weak signals out of the mud a lot better than your rig making them louder. I would suggest playing with each setting and see what works the best for your particular setup. I've read mixed things about AGC pumping, but dont know if they are relevant to the K3. Frank KG6EYC On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 5:04 PM Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: > I do run a fair amount of PSK-31 and much enjoy the same. In that > regard I always run AGC-F. For selectivity, in dealing with strong > signals in the midst of weak signals, I shift the passband and tighten > the bandwidth as needed. RF gain is always adjusted based on band > noise such that signals just flicker the S meter. NR and NB can be used > with success. However adjustment of the parameters will be likely > needed, again based on band noise and signals. In other words "there > is no shoe size that fits all". Skill, practice and patience prevails. > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > K3S s/n 10163 > > > > On 10/27/2015 5:32 PM, Leroy Buller wrote: > > Hi guys.... > > > > Old topic from a Old Newbie. I have been fooling around with PSK 31 > and I > > have it set up and working but I do have a question. Do most ops using > > this mode turn off the AGC and then ride the RF gain control because of > the > > stronger signals in the band pass killing off the weaker signals? > > > > Is that how it is done....or am I missing something > > > > Yes, I have searched Google and could not find a good answer. > > > > Lee - K0WA > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vadept at gmail.com > -- CW: NAQCC #6554 | SKCC #10435 | FISTS #16155 | SOC #1038 | FPQRP #3186 Digital: FHC #4224 | 30MDG #6370 | DMC #5698 | FBOM #0 Gear: K3 #7164 | P3 #3134 | KX3 #1787 | KXPA100 #1502 http://vadept.com From dave at nk7z.net Tue Oct 27 20:30:59 2015 From: dave at nk7z.net (David Cole) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 17:30:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC In-Reply-To: References: <563010A7.9020100@blomand.net> Message-ID: <1445992259.7696.1.camel@nostromo.nk7z> I also run with no AGC... It makes a major difference in how the data is copied... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net For MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info For Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info For MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Wed, 2015-10-28 at 00:22 +0000, Frank Precissi wrote: > I run the K3 with AGC-Off in all digital modes and rely on the roofing/DSP > filters to edge out really strong signals. Most of the time the software > will compensate in pulling the weak signals out of the mud a lot better > than your rig making them louder. > > I would suggest playing with each setting and see what works the best for > your particular setup. I've read mixed things about AGC pumping, but dont > know if they are relevant to the K3. > > Frank > KG6EYC > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 5:04 PM Bob McGraw - K4TAX > wrote: > > > I do run a fair amount of PSK-31 and much enjoy the same. In that > > regard I always run AGC-F. For selectivity, in dealing with strong > > signals in the midst of weak signals, I shift the passband and tighten > > the bandwidth as needed. RF gain is always adjusted based on band > > noise such that signals just flicker the S meter. NR and NB can be used > > with success. However adjustment of the parameters will be likely > > needed, again based on band noise and signals. In other words "there > > is no shoe size that fits all". Skill, practice and patience prevails. > > > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > K3S s/n 10163 > > > > > > > > On 10/27/2015 5:32 PM, Leroy Buller wrote: > > > Hi guys.... > > > > > > Old topic from a Old Newbie. I have been fooling around with PSK 31 > > and I > > > have it set up and working but I do have a question. Do most ops using > > > this mode turn off the AGC and then ride the RF gain control because of > > the > > > stronger signals in the band pass killing off the weaker signals? > > > > > > Is that how it is done....or am I missing something > > > > > > Yes, I have searched Google and could not find a good answer. > > > > > > Lee - K0WA > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to vadept at gmail.com > > From nn8b.oh at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 20:59:37 2015 From: nn8b.oh at gmail.com (NN8B) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 17:59:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 with keyboard In-Reply-To: <1445976007046-7609620.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445976007046-7609620.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1445993977084-7609637.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks for the replies. I have the info I missed when I downloaded the update. Forgot where it went. Several gentlemen rescued me. Thanks again. Now to learn all this new stuff. 73 Don, NN8B -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-with-keyboard-tp7609620p7609637.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Oct 27 21:01:50 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 18:01:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC In-Reply-To: <562FFFB7.3020802@triconet.org> References: <562FFFB7.3020802@triconet.org> Message-ID: <56301E7E.7040805@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Tue,10/27/2015 3:50 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > I never turn AGC off on any mode. Never understood why anyone would > want to but I've only been licensed for 57 years, so maybe I missed > something. I started three years before you, so maybe I remember more from back then. :) In those older days, it was quite common for CW ops to turn down the RF gain and turn up the AF gain. In effect, this more or less disables AGC. It can also help with listener fatigue with lots of static QRN. BUT -- this can be taken to extremes, and doing so is, I think, responsible for those hams who complain of the K3 being "hissy" and having "clicks" when switching bandwidth. One of the first important things we had to learn in the world of pro audio is setting audio gains properly to minimize both distortion and noise. For every gain stage, there is a Goldilocks-like "sweet spot" to keep the signal away from clipping (distortion) and the noise floor (hiss, clicks, etc.). 73, Jim K9YC From bob at hogbytes.com Tue Oct 27 21:03:18 2015 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 18:03:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 with keyboard In-Reply-To: <1445993977084-7609637.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445976007046-7609620.post@n2.nabble.com> <1445993977084-7609637.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1445994198559-7609638.post@n2.nabble.com> Remember, the Text area changes format when the keyboard is plugged in. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-with-keyboard-tp7609620p7609638.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ron at cobi.biz Tue Oct 27 23:15:56 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 20:15:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC In-Reply-To: <56301E7E.7040805@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <562FFFB7.3020802@triconet.org> <56301E7E.7040805@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <001201d1112e$f6432b60$e2c98220$@biz> Older receivers (like my HRO-5) used a beat frequency oscillator (BFO) operating on the same frequency as the I.F., offset only by the audio beat note required. That meant that a huge local signal (the BFO) was blasting into the I.F. strip. AGC was derived from the RF signal at the "second detector" (where the I.F. was demodulated to audio). So the BFO would cause AGC to crank down the gain to minimum when it sensed the BFO signal, making the receiver totally deaf. It was essential to turn the AGC off and ride the RF gain manually with the BFO running. By the late 50's Hams were tinkering with various ways to keep the AGC active with the BFO on. Some use "audio" AGC. That is the AGC was derived from the audio signal, not the I.F. But that made the AGC slow since it took a certain number of cycles of signal to build up the AGC voltage and that happened relatively slowly when it was taken by rectifying an audio signal compared to the I.F. signal. The most successful solutions (before SDR technology took over) were to split the I.F. with a second mixer that was far removed from the main I.F. the second I.F. was used to generate the AGC voltage and, since it was on a wholly different frequency from the main I.F. the BFO didn't trigger the AGC. In fact, the Elecraft K2 uses that technique quite successfully. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 6:02 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC On Tue,10/27/2015 3:50 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > I never turn AGC off on any mode. Never understood why anyone would > want to but I've only been licensed for 57 years, so maybe I missed > something. I started three years before you, so maybe I remember more from back then. :) In those older days, it was quite common for CW ops to turn down the RF gain and turn up the AF gain. In effect, this more or less disables AGC. It can also help with listener fatigue with lots of static QRN. BUT -- this can be taken to extremes, and doing so is, I think, responsible for those hams who complain of the K3 being "hissy" and having "clicks" when switching bandwidth. One of the first important things we had to learn in the world of pro audio is setting audio gains properly to minimize both distortion and noise. For every gain stage, there is a Goldilocks-like "sweet spot" to keep the signal away from clipping (distortion) and the noise floor (hiss, clicks, etc.). 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From wes at triconet.org Tue Oct 27 23:46:29 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 20:46:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC In-Reply-To: <56301E7E.7040805@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <562FFFB7.3020802@triconet.org> <56301E7E.7040805@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <56304515.5040300@triconet.org> Yes but... Those receivers didn't have product detectors and BFO leakage into the AGC detector was an issue. .On 10/27/2015 6:01 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > In those older days, it was quite common for CW ops to turn down the RF gain > and turn up the AF gain. In effect, this more or less disables AGC. From alorona at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 28 00:37:09 2015 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 04:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: <00df01d11102$5ee1d400$1ca57c00$@erols.com> References: <00df01d11102$5ee1d400$1ca57c00$@erols.com> Message-ID: <2093018366.6644.1446007029879.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Oh no... Oh no, not the "bad K3 audio" thread again?! I'm pretty sure that, five years from now, people will still be asking, "Was the phase noise of the new synthesizers reviewed in QST ever fixed so that it's better than the old synthesizer at higher offsets?" Al W6LX From stewart at twinwood.me Wed Oct 28 03:41:35 2015 From: stewart at twinwood.me (Stewart) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 07:41:35 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2015102874135.689208@Shack> I am interested as to whether the corrected DSP AGC algorithms will be available for K3 DSP's. 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:28:19 -0700, Wayne Burdick wrote: > We've made several changes to improve audio over years, and a K3S incorporates all of them: > > - K3: improved 12VDC decoupling to the AF amp > - K3: added a dual low-noise LPF to eliminate residual sampling noise (mostly at 12 kHz) > - K3: corrected DSP AGC algorithms, which were non-monotonic at some signal levels > - K3S: redesigned AF output and driver stages for lower IMD > > Taken together, these changes provide a low-distortion, essentially flat audio passband. Most other modern transceivers use the same (or similar) class-AB final AF amp devices that we use in the K3/K3S, so how it sounds comes down to how RX EQ is set up, as well as the LO-CUT/HI-CUT (or shift/width) settings. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Oct 27, 2015, at 1:10 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > >> Operators disagree about K3/K3S audio. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to stewart at twinwood.me From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Wed Oct 28 05:57:52 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 09:57:52 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: <2015102874135.689208@Shack> References: <2015102874135.689208@Shack> Message-ID: <001601d11167$21669650$6433c2f0$@co.uk> Hi Stewart >I am interested as to whether the corrected DSP AGC algorithms will be >available >for K3 DSP's. Your K3 has probably had these DSP changes for some time (assuming you have kept the firmware reasonably up-to-date). Future firmware releases will apply equally to both the K3S and the K3. Likewise, all hardware upgrades prior to release of the K3S have already been incorporated into K3 production. Hardware upgrade kits are available for older models - see the Elecraft website, which also states when each upgrade was introduced. The only only exception listed below is the redesigned AF output and driver stages. These upgrades were introduced in the new KIO3B module which now forms part of the K3S (a radical redesign which also includes USB connectivity for CAT and audio). The KIO3B will eventually be available for the K3 as well, as an optional replacement for the older KIO3. 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Stewart >Sent: 28 October 2015 07:42 >To: Wayne Burdick; Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO >Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? > >I am interested as to whether the corrected DSP AGC algorithms will be >available >for K3 DSP's. > >73 >Stewart G3RXQ >On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:28:19 -0700, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> We've made several changes to improve audio over years, and a K3S >incorporates >all of them: >> >> - K3: improved 12VDC decoupling to the AF amp >> - K3: added a dual low-noise LPF to eliminate residual sampling noise >(mostly >at 12 kHz) >> - K3: corrected DSP AGC algorithms, which were non-monotonic at some >signal >levels >> - K3S: redesigned AF output and driver stages for lower IMD >> >> Taken together, these changes provide a low-distortion, essentially flat >audio >passband. Most other modern transceivers use the same (or similar) class- >AB >final AF amp devices that we use in the K3/K3S, so how it sounds comes >down to >how RX EQ is set up, as well as the LO-CUT/HI-CUT (or shift/width) settings. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> On Oct 27, 2015, at 1:10 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO > >wrote: >> >>> Operators disagree about K3/K3S audio. >> >> From stewart at twinwood.me Wed Oct 28 07:10:44 2015 From: stewart at twinwood.me (Stewart) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 11:10:44 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: <001601d11167$21669650$6433c2f0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <20151028111044.259304@Shack> Hi Ian, Yes, I keep my K3 pretty well up to date with firmware releases, so if they are there I will have them. A little confused about the redesigned audio. You wrote about "redesigned AF output and driver stages. These upgrades were introduced in the new KIO3B module". As I remember the audio stage of my K3 is on the DSP board. Has it been moved, or have I misunderstood ? B.T.W re our conversation at the Convention about ferrites. They have not rusted yet :-) 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 09:57:52 -0000, Ian White wrote: > Hi Stewart > >>I am interested as to whether the corrected DSP AGC algorithms will be >>available >>for K3 DSP's. > > Your K3 has probably had these DSP changes for some time (assuming you > have kept the firmware reasonably up-to-date). Future firmware releases > will apply equally to both the K3S and the K3. > > Likewise, all hardware upgrades prior to release of the K3S have already > been incorporated into K3 production. Hardware upgrade kits are > available for older models - see the Elecraft website, which also states > when each upgrade was introduced. > > The only only exception listed below is the redesigned AF output and > driver stages. These upgrades were introduced in the new KIO3B module > which now forms part of the K3S (a radical redesign which also includes > USB connectivity for CAT and audio). The KIO3B will eventually be > available for the K3 as well, as an optional replacement for the older > KIO3. > > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >>Stewart >>Sent: 28 October 2015 07:42 >>To: Wayne Burdick; Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO >>Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? >> >>I am interested as to whether the corrected DSP AGC algorithms will be >>available >>for K3 DSP's. >> >>73 >>Stewart G3RXQ >>On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:28:19 -0700, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> We've made several changes to improve audio over years, and a K3S >>incorporates >>all of them: >>> >>> - K3: improved 12VDC decoupling to the AF amp >>> - K3: added a dual low-noise LPF to eliminate residual sampling > noise >>(mostly >>at 12 kHz) >>> - K3: corrected DSP AGC algorithms, which were non-monotonic at some >>signal >>levels >>> - K3S: redesigned AF output and driver stages for lower IMD >>> >>> Taken together, these changes provide a low-distortion, essentially > flat >>audio >>passband. Most other modern transceivers use the same (or similar) > class- >>AB >>final AF amp devices that we use in the K3/K3S, so how it sounds comes >>down to >>how RX EQ is set up, as well as the LO-CUT/HI-CUT (or shift/width) > settings. >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 1:10 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO >> >>wrote: >>> >>>> Operators disagree about K3/K3S audio. From dk5ya at dk5ya.de Wed Oct 28 10:01:09 2015 From: dk5ya at dk5ya.de (Udo Langenohl - DK5YA) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:01:09 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: K3 (old) parts Message-ID: <5630D525.4050302@dk5ya.de> Gents, just purchased an older K3F (ser.39xx) from estate (local ham passed away). This K3 is very basic, just 10W, 2.7KHz filter and KBPF3. Nothing else. For upgrading I'm looking for KXV3A, KPA3A, KAT3A, KRX3A etc.. If you've got parts for sale just drop me a note. Overseas offers welcome. Udo, DK5YA -- ****************************************** Webs by DK5YA: * http://www.mmmonvhf.de/ [editor]* http://www.vhfdx.de/ [owner] * http://www.palekastro.de/ [owner] * http://www.solweb.de/ [owner] * http://www.spessartwetter.de/ [owner] * ****************************************** From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Oct 28 10:35:54 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 07:35:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: <20151028111044.259304@Shack> References: <20151028111044.259304@Shack> Message-ID: <286E64AE-8F57-442E-9FA7-D63F0EB32DC6@elecraft.com> The speaker amplifier and driver stages that were redesigned are on the DSP board, not the KIO3B. The KIO3B does have new audio circuitry, namely a CODEC and support circuitry for merging line-level audio with control data for use by the new USB port. But this has nothing to do with the speaker amp. 73, Wayne N6KR On Oct 28, 2015, at 4:10 AM, Stewart wrote: > Hi Ian, > Yes, I keep my K3 pretty well up to date with firmware releases, so if they are > there I will have them. > > A little confused about the redesigned audio. > > You wrote about "redesigned AF output and driver stages. These upgrades were > introduced in the new KIO3B module". From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Oct 28 10:36:54 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 07:36:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: <2015102874135.689208@Shack> References: <2015102874135.689208@Shack> Message-ID: <595C067F-5B48-432C-AF53-C02F8ABD8A6B@elecraft.com> These algorithms were corrected a couple of years ago and are already part of the K3/K3S firmware load. 73, Wayne N6KR On Oct 28, 2015, at 12:41 AM, Stewart wrote: > I am interested as to whether the corrected DSP AGC algorithms will be available > for K3 DSP's. > > 73 > Stewart G3RXQ From jbollit at outlook.com Wed Oct 28 10:58:14 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 07:58:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: <1445972305718-7609616.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1445968427.53263.YahooMailBasic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1445972305718-7609616.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Mike, I have a different opinion and it does not rely on words like "tiring". In June, 2015, I went as far as sending my K3 (#04841) back to Elecraft with the headphones I use to take a look at the hiss issue I have when the volume control set completely counter clockwise, with *nothing* attached to the rig but a 12 volt car battery and the headphones. This hiss is always present when the A.F. gain is set for normal listening to signals. I have compared my K3 to two of my friends K3's and mine is the only one with noticeable hiss (pre and post service by Elecraft). I had Elecraft perform the "once over" making sure I had the latest fixes (firmware, gold contacts, etc)and install two of the latest and greatest SYN boards. The audio hiss is still present. I have worked around the problem by using the Timewave 599ZX which has no hiss that I can hear. Just as a side note, I used my Kenwood TS-480 rig when the K3 was in the shop, and found the audio was better than the K3 and the noise reduction algorithm was superior for my conditions. This, in itself, can be a complete new thread................................. Jim W6AIM P.S. The Elecraft service level is second to none, going to great lengths in an attempt to sort out the issue. . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike K2MK Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 11:58 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? Hi Paul, I'm pretty sure that the "tiring" issue with the K3 was put to bed with the DSP upgrade with low pass filtering (K3DSPUPGD) in 2010. 73, Mike K2MK Elecraft mailing list wrote > I was wondering if and when a full-on review of the K3S would be > forthcoming. I'm a bit surprised that following its release there > hasn't been a lot of reviews posted (certainly no comparison to the > number of reviews that followed the release of the original K3). A > comprehensive review of the K3S, particularly with reference to the > original K3, would help me to decide whether the main issue that held > me back from pulling the trigger and ordering a K3 some time ago > (specifically, the quality of the original K3's receive audio, and the > anecdotal observations that the K3's receive audio was "tiring" to > listen to) has been resolved in the K3S. > > BTW, if such a review has already been posted or published somewhere > and I just missed it, I'd would really appreciate a referral to it. > (The holidays are approaching and my "wish list" is not yet complete. > > ) > > Thanks! > - Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-In-Depth-Review-Coming-Soon-tp76096 15p7609616.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From jbollit at outlook.com Wed Oct 28 11:00:59 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 08:00:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: References: <1445968427.53263.YahooMailBasic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <562FDA4D.9020809@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wayne, Will any of the changes affect the audio from either front or back headphone jacks, or is it only affect the speaker, both internal and any external? Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 1:28 PM To: Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? We've made several changes to improve audio over years, and a K3S incorporates all of them: - K3: improved 12VDC decoupling to the AF amp - K3: added a dual low-noise LPF to eliminate residual sampling noise (mostly at 12 kHz) - K3: corrected DSP AGC algorithms, which were non-monotonic at some signal levels - K3S: redesigned AF output and driver stages for lower IMD Taken together, these changes provide a low-distortion, essentially flat audio passband. Most other modern transceivers use the same (or similar) class-AB final AF amp devices that we use in the K3/K3S, so how it sounds comes down to how RX EQ is set up, as well as the LO-CUT/HI-CUT (or shift/width) settings. 73, Wayne N6KR On Oct 27, 2015, at 1:10 PM, Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO wrote: > Operators disagree about K3/K3S audio. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From stewart at twinwood.me Wed Oct 28 11:08:11 2015 From: stewart at twinwood.me (Stewart) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:08:11 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: <286E64AE-8F57-442E-9FA7-D63F0EB32DC6@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <2015102815811.536626@Shack> Thanks for the "heads up" Wayne. 73 Stewart G3RXQ - On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 07:35:54 -0700, Wayne Burdick wrote: > The speaker amplifier and driver stages that were redesigned are on the DSP board, not the KIO3B. > > The KIO3B does have new audio circuitry, namely a CODEC and support circuitry for merging line-level audio with control data for use by the new USB port. But this has nothing to do with the speaker amp. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Oct 28, 2015, at 4:10 AM, Stewart wrote: > >> Hi Ian, >> Yes, I keep my K3 pretty well up to date with firmware releases, so if they are >> there I will have them. >> >> A little confused about the redesigned audio. >> >> You wrote about "redesigned AF output and driver stages. These upgrades were >> introduced in the new KIO3B module". From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Oct 28 11:12:38 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 08:12:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: References: <1445968427.53263.YahooMailBasic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <562FDA4D.9020809@gmail.com> Message-ID: All of the improvements I mentioned benefit the headphone jacks, *except* the AF amp redesign, which affects only the internal and external speakers. The headphone amplifier has always had extremely low distortion. Wayne N6KR On Oct 28, 2015, at 8:00 AM, jim wrote: > Wayne, > > Will any of the changes affect the audio from either front or back headphone > jacks, or is it only affect the speaker, both internal and any external? > > Jim > W6AIM > From nq5t at tx.rr.com Wed Oct 28 11:05:01 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 10:05:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: <286E64AE-8F57-442E-9FA7-D63F0EB32DC6@elecraft.com> References: <20151028111044.259304@Shack> <286E64AE-8F57-442E-9FA7-D63F0EB32DC6@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <612E1F6D-E066-43F3-8A2E-FCF137A0D7BB@tx.rr.com> Any notion yet about when the new DSP board will be available for order for K3 retrofit? Thanks .. Grant NQ5T > On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > The speaker amplifier and driver stages that were redesigned are on the DSP board, not the KIO3B. > > The KIO3B does have new audio circuitry, namely a CODEC and support circuitry for merging line-level audio with control data for use by the new USB port. But this has nothing to do with the speaker amp. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > From tony.kaz at verizon.net Wed Oct 28 11:46:55 2015 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 11:46:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: References: <1445968427.53263.YahooMailBasic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <562FDA4D.9020809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000d01d11197$dfc8d5b0$9f5a8110$@verizon.net> Wayne, Thanks for the clarification. My main interest is with headphones. By the way the new SP3 looks and sounds nice. The three K3's did well for themselves as usual down at KP2M this past weekend. And at Miami last night I ran into N2NT on his way back from V4 with his K-line. We were both talking about a PX3 sized P3 for the K3. It sure would be easier to haul around for contests. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 11:13 AM To: jim Cc: 'Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? All of the improvements I mentioned benefit the headphone jacks, *except* the AF amp redesign, which affects only the internal and external speakers. The headphone amplifier has always had extremely low distortion. Wayne N6KR On Oct 28, 2015, at 8:00 AM, jim wrote: > Wayne, > > Will any of the changes affect the audio from either front or back > headphone jacks, or is it only affect the speaker, both internal and any external? > > Jim > W6AIM > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From kt5d at charter.net Wed Oct 28 12:00:02 2015 From: kt5d at charter.net (Gee) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:00:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: Elecraft K-1 four band Message-ID: <5AFACF85-B4BC-4E9C-A130-E8D088DB51FA@charter.net> I am looking to buy an excellent condition K-1, built or unbuilt kit, with the four band module covering 40-30-20-17 meters. Any accessories, ATU, NB, internal battery mod a plus. Thanks for your interest! Sent from my iPad From nq5t at tx.rr.com Wed Oct 28 12:07:31 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 11:07:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AGC HLD settings Message-ID: <52C8F882-FDFD-4248-BCA1-A2E8921E040F@tx.rr.com> The KX3 manual indicates that the AGC HLD setting is in ?seconds?. It doesn?t appear that ?001? in the three digit display is one second. I suspect its either ?(.)XXX? seconds or ?X(.)XX? seconds. I must have missed something in the book somewhere. A search on Nabble, update history, etc. didn?t go anywhere either. Can someone shed some light? Thanks ? Grant NQ5T From jbollit at outlook.com Wed Oct 28 12:13:07 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 09:13:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: <2093018366.6644.1446007029879.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <00df01d11102$5ee1d400$1ca57c00$@erols.com> <2093018366.6644.1446007029879.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Al, The thread will not go away until something is done to address the issue. Elecraft makes the best "system" in the market place, however, the audio and noise reduction implantation leaves a lot to be desired. Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Al Lorona Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 9:37 PM To: Charlie T, K3ICH; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? Oh no... Oh no, not the "bad K3 audio" thread again?! I'm pretty sure that, five years from now, people will still be asking, "Was the phase noise of the new synthesizers reviewed in QST ever fixed so that it's better than the old synthesizer at higher offsets?" Al W6LX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Wed Oct 28 13:25:41 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 13:25:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: References: <00df01d11102$5ee1d400$1ca57c00$@erols.com> <2093018366.6644.1446007029879.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c901d111a5$ac6ce9f0$0546bdd0$@carolinaheli.com> Jim, Do you have Fred Cady's book on the K3? What audio and noise reduction issues are you experiencing ? I'm a new owner and a voracious reader and find learning to use the radio for noise reduction is pretty daunting, however, I also haven't had any noise issues that I couldn't adjust out to isolate the desired signal. I use the RF gain, pre-amp, roofing filtering, DSP filtering, NR settings, AGC settings, NB and NB settings. In my mind the key is to understand what each of these does, how they interact, general parameters of the received signals in the bandpass (pre roofing filters), and being able to actually hear the desired signal at to start. Just curious because my prior radio did a decent job but nothing even close to what my K3S does. I have the 400Hz and 2.8KHz 8 pole roofing filters installed and use a dipole for RX. Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 12:13 PM To: 'Al Lorona'; 'Charlie T, K3ICH'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? Al, The thread will not go away until something is done to address the issue. Elecraft makes the best "system" in the market place, however, the audio and noise reduction implantation leaves a lot to be desired. Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Al Lorona Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 9:37 PM To: Charlie T, K3ICH; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? Oh no... Oh no, not the "bad K3 audio" thread again?! I'm pretty sure that, five years from now, people will still be asking, "Was the phase noise of the new synthesizers reviewed in QST ever fixed so that it's better than the old synthesizer at higher offsets?" Al W6LX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jermo at carolinaheli.com From kd7rj at frontier.com Wed Oct 28 15:31:52 2015 From: kd7rj at frontier.com (kd7rj) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:31:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 For Sale Message-ID: <0BE1C33F-5872-4D60-ACD6-CAD7F6E123CE@frontier.com> Elecraft K3/100 watt transceiver S/N 5999 with KXV3A IF and 2.7 KHZ SSB filter. No other options installed. Comes with manuals and DC power cord. Very good condition and built and calibrated by Electrical Engineer. Most recent firmware and recently calibrated. Shipped priority mail within the 50 states. $1730 From davidahrendts at me.com Wed Oct 28 16:52:17 2015 From: davidahrendts at me.com (David Ahrendts) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 13:52:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] LA Zoning Code re Amateur Towers Message-ID: <677637D5-6C21-4CF4-AF29-443F21D3D9CA@me.com> Off-topic. Anyone on the list have experience with zoning and permitting an amateur radio tower in the City of Los Angeles. City of LA only. Please contact directly off list. DavidAhrendts at me.com David A., KC0XT David Ahrendts davidahrendts at me.com From fshick at rochester.rr.com Wed Oct 28 16:58:09 2015 From: fshick at rochester.rr.com (Forest Shick) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 16:58:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer Message-ID: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & SSTV. I have purchased the cable set. I connect the KX3 - Phones connector to the computer audio in and I can receive RTTY & SSTV. If I connect the computer audio out to the KX3 MIC, the radio goes into transmit. I would guess this is because the connector on the cable is incorrect for the MIC connector - too few contacts. So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? Thank You From martin at the-wallers.net Wed Oct 28 17:21:09 2015 From: martin at the-wallers.net (Martin Waller) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer In-Reply-To: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> References: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Good questions. I have been playing with RTTY myself this last few days and hit just that problem. I have been holding the microphone infront of the PC speaker in the interim as that worked as a temporary solution. I would like to know the best way of doing this too. MartinG0PJO On Wednesday, 28 October 2015, 20:58, Forest Shick wrote: What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & SSTV. I have purchased the cable set. I connect the KX3 - Phones connector to the computer audio in and I can receive RTTY & SSTV. If I connect the computer audio out to the KX3 MIC, the radio goes into transmit. I would guess this is because the connector on the cable is incorrect for the MIC connector - too few contacts. So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? Thank You ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to martin at the-wallers.net From f2ct at wanadoo.fr Wed Oct 28 17:24:56 2015 From: f2ct at wanadoo.fr (Guy F2CT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:24:56 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Wsjt Message-ID: <7nnbgyeix10vxamp0v89fe3r.1446067496430@email.android.com> Hello I need some help in order to use my K3 + K144XV in JT modes. What's the best adaptor between K3 and PC ? Thanks a lot for help. Kundest Regards Cordiales 73 Guy F2CT From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 17:44:19 2015 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 14:44:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer In-Reply-To: <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <563141B3.2060005@gmail.com> Disable the mic buttons (see menu items) and use VOX (or a serial port command) to switch between Tx and Rx depending on your program's features. And be sure to set MIG GAIN to ZERO then gradually increase it to get the 4-5 bars of ALC indication. If the MIC GAIN is too high for the computer's audio level, the ALC bar graph and the transmit audio levels may not respond properly (this is a bug on my short list to fix). 73, Lyle KK7P > Good question...I have been holding the microphone infront of the PC speaker in the interim as that worked as a temporary solution. > ... > > What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & > SSTV... > > So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? From martin at the-wallers.net Wed Oct 28 18:01:20 2015 From: martin at the-wallers.net (martin waller) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:01:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer In-Reply-To: <563141B3.2060005@gmail.com> References: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <563141B3.2060005@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Lyle Many thanks for the complete explanation. I'll give it a whirl. Martin G0PJO Sent from my iPhone > On 28 Oct 2015, at 21:44, Lyle Johnson wrote: > > Disable the mic buttons (see menu items) and use VOX (or a serial port command) to switch between Tx and Rx depending on your program's features. > > And be sure to set MIG GAIN to ZERO then gradually increase it to get the 4-5 bars of ALC indication. If the MIC GAIN is too high for the computer's audio level, the ALC bar graph and the transmit audio levels may not respond properly (this is a bug on my short list to fix). > > 73, > > Lyle KK7P > >> Good question...I have been holding the microphone infront of the PC speaker in the interim as that worked as a temporary solution. >> ... >> >> What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >> SSTV... >> >> So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to martin at the-wallers.net From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Wed Oct 28 18:16:51 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:16:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer In-Reply-To: References: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <563141B3.2060005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56314953.7030200@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> This looks useful: https://k4mtx.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/kx3-fldigi-setup/ It's specific to FLDIGI, but all of the soundcard modes require pretty much the same wiring. Please note: if you hold the microphone to the PC speaker, the microphone will pick up background noise and transmit that all over the band. Generally speaking, you'll be operating in a part of the band that discourages wideband noise. 73 -- Lynn From martin at the-wallers.net Wed Oct 28 18:29:28 2015 From: martin at the-wallers.net (martin waller) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:29:28 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer In-Reply-To: <56314953.7030200@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <563141B3.2060005@gmail.com> <56314953.7030200@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <08251545-92E4-4083-B71B-88AE4F6BAB78@the-wallers.net> Hi Thanks for the tip about holding the microphone! I've only played on 2m so far so I should not have upset too many people! Martin Sent from my iPhone > On 28 Oct 2015, at 22:16, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" wrote: > > This looks useful: https://k4mtx.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/kx3-fldigi-setup/ > > It's specific to FLDIGI, but all of the soundcard modes require pretty much the same wiring. > > Please note: if you hold the microphone to the PC speaker, the microphone will pick up background noise and transmit that all over the band. > > Generally speaking, you'll be operating in a part of the band that discourages wideband noise. > > 73 -- Lynn > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to martin at the-wallers.net From w4ish at w4ish.net Wed Oct 28 18:33:51 2015 From: w4ish at w4ish.net (William Evans) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:33:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters Message-ID: From fcady at montana.edu Wed Oct 28 18:35:47 2015 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:35:47 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AGC HLD settings In-Reply-To: <52C8F882-FDFD-4248-BCA1-A2E8921E040F@tx.rr.com> References: <52C8F882-FDFD-4248-BCA1-A2E8921E040F@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Grant, When I did my KX3 books I somehow figured out it is 0.00 to 2.00 seconds. That's what the K3 does and I assume the KX3 is the same. Cheers, Fred KE7X Author of: ?The Elecraft K3S and P3 ? Getting the Most out from Your High Performance Station?. "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" "The Portable Elecraft KX3 ? Going for the Summit with the KX3 and KX3-2M/4M" ?The Elecraft KX-Line ? The Complete Station? ?The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 ? the K-Line Dream Station? Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com PDF files available from www.ke7x.com ?The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters ? Assembling the KX3-Line Station? printed copy available at www.lulu.com and pdf from www.ke7x.com. Plus a book dedicated to the K3S upgrades for the K3 and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book are works in progress. Free guides at ke7x.com KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners ________________________________________ From: Elecraft on behalf of GRANT YOUNGMAN Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:07 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AGC HLD settings The KX3 manual indicates that the AGC HLD setting is in ?seconds?. It doesn?t appear that ?001? in the three digit display is one second. I suspect its either ?(.)XXX? seconds or ?X(.)XX? seconds. I must have missed something in the book somewhere. A search on Nabble, update history, etc. didn?t go anywhere either. Can someone shed some light? Thanks ? Grant NQ5T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From w4ish at w4ish.net Wed Oct 28 18:38:38 2015 From: w4ish at w4ish.net (William Evans) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:38:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) Message-ID: <86C7005C-7677-4373-B18F-BE58280F5A27@w4ish.net> KFL3A-6K 8 pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS KFL3A-400 8-Pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS both for $210 including shipping Bill W4ish @ w4ish.net From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 18:39:56 2015 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian - Ham) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:39:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000701d111d1$924fb7b0$b6ef2710$@gmail.com> Which ones? How much? Thanks and 73, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik.ian at gmail.com 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of William Evans Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:34 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From w2kj at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 28 18:48:42 2015 From: w2kj at bellsouth.net (Joe W2KJ) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:48:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? Message-ID: Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. 73, Joe W2KJ KX3/KXPA100 From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Wed Oct 28 18:59:08 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:59:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5631533C.6050901@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> It has a Touch Screen! Sweet!! On 10/28/2015 3:48 PM, Joe W2KJ wrote: > Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: > > Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. > > Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. > > The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. > > Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. > > 73, Joe W2KJ > KX3/KXPA100 From w4ish at w4ish.net Wed Oct 28 19:00:37 2015 From: w4ish at w4ish.net (William Evans) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 19:00:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) In-Reply-To: <86C7005C-7677-4373-B18F-BE58280F5A27@w4ish.net> References: <86C7005C-7677-4373-B18F-BE58280F5A27@w4ish.net> Message-ID: <524458ED-6117-4798-A4B7-82FD91BA7836@w4ish.net> Gentlemen, the 6K filter is spoken for (pending payment) Thanks Bill W4ISH > On Oct 28, 2015, at 6:38 PM, William Evans wrote: > > KFL3A-6K 8 pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS > KFL3A-400 8-Pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS > > both for $210 including shipping > > Bill > W4ish @ w4ish.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w4ish at w4ish.net From forums at david-woolley.me.uk Wed Oct 28 19:33:18 2015 From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:33:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC In-Reply-To: <001201d1112e$f6432b60$e2c98220$@biz> References: <562FFFB7.3020802@triconet.org> <56301E7E.7040805@audiosystemsgroup.com> <001201d1112e$f6432b60$e2c98220$@biz> Message-ID: <56315B3E.5050404@david-woolley.me.uk> Although I hadn't noticed it before, I would say that design in the K2 is more about stability and DC offsets than anything to do with pick up of the BFO. The balanced demodulator and last two crystals deal with that. The old, basically AM sets, used high level, unbalanced detectors. That required more total gain from aerial to detector, although that might be split between RF and two IF frequencies. Balanced detectors can work with much lower level signals, which is particularly helpful for a single conversion design, like the K2. However, the AGC detector doesn't want to be balanced, and with a low level signal, would have a large DC offset, that might exceed the wanted rectified AGC, therefore additional gain is needed before the AGC detector. If this were done at the IF frequency, the gain from input to output at one frequency would be much greater, and proportionately less stray coupling would be needed to make the whole system oscillate. By shifting the frequency, which can be done at low signal levels, the design reduces the gain at any one frequency. The risk with doing all at one frequency is not pickup of the BFO at the input of the IF amplifier, but pickup of its own output. If there were leakage of the BFO it would get amplified just as much as if additional gain was tapped off at the same point and amplified at the original frequency. The design seems to rely on the balance of the detector and the two pole crystal filter, to stop the BFO getting into the AGC path, and not the difference in frequency. -- David Woolley Owner K2 06123 On 28/10/15 03:15, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > > The most successful solutions (before SDR technology took over) were to > split the I.F. with a second mixer that was far removed from the main I.F. > the second I.F. was used to generate the AGC voltage and, since it was on a > wholly different frequency from the main I.F. the BFO didn't trigger the > AGC. In fact, the Elecraft K2 uses that technique quite successfully. From mteberle at mchsi.com Wed Oct 28 19:52:54 2015 From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:52:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Wsjt In-Reply-To: <7nnbgyeix10vxamp0v89fe3r.1446067496430@email.android.com> References: <7nnbgyeix10vxamp0v89fe3r.1446067496430@email.android.com> Message-ID: <56315FD5.6070804@mchsi.com> From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Wed Oct 28 20:19:53 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:19:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC In-Reply-To: <56315B3E.5050404@david-woolley.me.uk> References: <562FFFB7.3020802@triconet.org> <56301E7E.7040805@audiosystemsgroup.com> <001201d1112e$f6432b60$e2c98220$@biz> <56315B3E.5050404@david-woolley.me.uk> Message-ID: <56316629.5000603@embarqmail.com> David, I do not understand your logic. Let's divorce the AGC from the product detector for a moment. The K2 takes the input to the AGC circuit from the IF and converts it to a frequency that is removed from the IF signal. The AGC circuit produces a DC voltage that is used to control the gain of the IF amplifier - period. That has nothing to do with balanced or unbalanced - the output is a a DC voltage which is applied to the IF amplifier to control its gain. That means that the only signals applied to the product detector are the incoming signal (already controlled by the AGC) and the BFO. Yes, receivers of old did not use product detectors (mixers) but used a diode detector, and the BFO signal was injected along with the IF signal to produce the audio output. The BFO injection level was fixed, and therefore the gain of the IF input to the detector had to be matched to the BFO level for proper demodulation to occur. The result is that one had to ride the RF Gain to make the levels of the IF signal and the BFO work in harmony with each other. In addition, the AGC was developed after the detector, so in those old receivers, it was best to turn off the AGC. That is not true for receivers using a product detector. BFO pickup is not a problem with a product detector as long as the output of the mixer (product detector) is restricted to a bandpass that contains only the audio frequencies (the input frequencies - BFO and IF - are rejected leaving only the audio content). Those old operating habits (ride the RF Gain and set the AF Gain at max) are still being used by some operators, but it is not necessary for modern receivers which use product detectors - the K2 is included in that list. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/28/2015 7:33 PM, David Woolley wrote: > Although I hadn't noticed it before, I would say that design in the K2 > is more about stability and DC offsets than anything to do with pick > up of the BFO. The balanced demodulator and last two crystals deal > with that. > > The old, basically AM sets, used high level, unbalanced detectors. > That required more total gain from aerial to detector, although that > might be split between RF and two IF frequencies. > > Balanced detectors can work with much lower level signals, which is > particularly helpful for a single conversion design, like the K2. > However, the AGC detector doesn't want to be balanced, and with a low > level signal, would have a large DC offset, that might exceed the > wanted rectified AGC, therefore additional gain is needed before the > AGC detector. If this were done at the IF frequency, the gain from > input to output at one frequency would be much greater, and > proportionately less stray coupling would be needed to make the whole > system oscillate. By shifting the frequency, which can be done at low > signal levels, the design reduces the gain at any one frequency. > > The risk with doing all at one frequency is not pickup of the BFO at > the input of the IF amplifier, but pickup of its own output. > > If there were leakage of the BFO it would get amplified just as much > as if additional gain was tapped off at the same point and amplified > at the original frequency. The design seems to rely on the balance of > the detector and the two pole crystal filter, to stop the BFO getting > into the AGC path, and not the difference in frequency. > From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Oct 28 20:44:50 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 17:44:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C1FC112-2AED-4F41-8CB3-AD09A928D26B@elecraft.com> Joe W2KJ wrote: > Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: > > Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. > > Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. Based on Icom's published specs, by volume it is 7.5 times larger than the KX3. Wayne N6KR From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Oct 28 21:19:46 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:19:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC In-Reply-To: <56316629.5000603@embarqmail.com> References: <562FFFB7.3020802@triconet.org> <56301E7E.7040805@audiosystemsgroup.com> <001201d1112e$f6432b60$e2c98220$@biz> <56315B3E.5050404@david-woolley.me.uk> <56316629.5000603@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <56317432.3060800@blomand.net> Don is absolutely correct. As many may know, I do assist hams with issues associated with many different products here and elsewhere. The biggest issue I encounter is the ham that says " well somebody told me to.... blah blah blah blah ......and it would work best". In many cases, nothing could be further from the truth. I find today that many hams are more prone to have and use old school thinking and methods trying to be used with today's radios. I find this applies to many facets of ham radio equipment as being used today. As I've told many, if you expect the radio to operate like a Kenwood, ICOM or Yaesu, it darn well better say Kenwood, ICOM or Yaesu on the front panel. Otherwise stated, learn to use the Elecraft radio correctly in order to attain optimum performance, for indeed they do not operate like the others. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 10/28/2015 7:19 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Those old operating habits (ride the RF Gain and set the AF Gain at > max) are still being used by some operators, but it is not necessary > for modern receivers which use product detectors - the K2 is included > in that list. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Oct 28 21:47:38 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:47:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC In-Reply-To: <56317432.3060800@blomand.net> References: <562FFFB7.3020802@triconet.org> <56301E7E.7040805@audiosystemsgroup.com> <001201d1112e$f6432b60$e2c98220$@biz> <56315B3E.5050404@david-woolley.me.uk> <56316629.5000603@embarqmail.com> <56317432.3060800@blomand.net> Message-ID: <56317ABA.5070605@foothill.net> How do I set the AGC on my loose coupler receiver? :-) I'm old, but I've never used the RF Gain on my K3. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 10/28/2015 6:19 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: > Don is absolutely correct. > > As many may know, I do assist hams with issues associated with many > different products here and elsewhere. The biggest issue I encounter is > the ham that says " well somebody told me to.... blah blah blah blah > .....and it would work best". In many cases, nothing could be further > from the truth. I find today that many hams are more prone to have and > use old school thinking and methods trying to be used with today's > radios. I find this applies to many facets of ham radio equipment as > being used today. > > As I've told many, if you expect the radio to operate like a Kenwood, > ICOM or Yaesu, it darn well better say Kenwood, ICOM or Yaesu on the > front panel. Otherwise stated, learn to use the Elecraft radio > correctly in order to attain optimum performance, for indeed they do not > operate like the others. > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > K3S s/n 10163 From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Oct 28 22:08:45 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:08:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC In-Reply-To: <56317ABA.5070605@foothill.net> References: <562FFFB7.3020802@triconet.org> <56301E7E.7040805@audiosystemsgroup.com> <001201d1112e$f6432b60$e2c98220$@biz> <56315B3E.5050404@david-woolley.me.uk> <56316629.5000603@embarqmail.com> <56317432.3060800@blomand.net> <56317ABA.5070605@foothill.net> Message-ID: <56317FAD.8000504@blomand.net> Back in 1923, in order to receive a signal, the following adjustments must be made and possibly repeated to get the optimum performance (not a simple matter and easily upset): The input coil (inside box) is adjusted to resonate at the desired receiving frequency using the two tap selectors on the front panel of the box.The inductance of the secondary coil is set by its tapping switch and tuned by a capacitor to suit the frequency being received. Moving the secondary coil in and out of the primary (in the box) allows coupling to adjusted for maximum performance. With coil pushed in, the sensitivity will be high and the selectivity will be poor. The reverse occurs with the coil pulled out. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/28/2015 8:47 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: How do I set the AGC on my loose coupler receiver? From arcticpeak at yahoo.no Thu Oct 29 04:15:05 2015 From: arcticpeak at yahoo.no (Martin Storli - LA8OKA) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1717313154.7097159.1446106505116.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> When it comes to RF architecture, the IC-7300 is nothing like the KX3, it's actually a step ahead, because it's not a Direct Conversion, but a RF Direct sampling?. ICOM didn't follow Elecraft on this one. They rather follow FlexRadio, the russian Expert Electronics and the italian Elad amongst other. So many are going Down this road now, it's hard to tell who's first. The KX3 wasn't the first Direct Conversion?SDR receiver with knobs either, there where several smaler manufactures just prior to the KX3.But KX3 might claim to be the first commersial success, but that is more to?due to?the strong?Elecraft brand and the KX1 legassy than due to innovation.And, it's a good transceiver, so it deserves the success regardless of the RF architecture employed. Best regards Martin Storli LA8OKAOslo, Norway ?ARCTICPEAK's Radio pages! http://www.arcticpeak.com/radio.htm Fra: Joe W2KJ Til: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sendt: Onsdag, 28. oktober 2015 23.48 Emne: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size,? I believe. The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. ??? ??? ??? 73, Joe W2KJ ??? ??? ??? KX3/KXPA100 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arcticpeak at yahoo.no From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Thu Oct 29 04:20:28 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:20:28 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? In-Reply-To: <20151028111044.259304@Shack> References: <001601d11167$21669650$6433c2f0$@co.uk> <20151028111044.259304@Shack> Message-ID: <006601d11222$b0e8a640$12b9f2c0$@co.uk> Apologies once again - this message sent yesterday to G3RXQ was meant to be copied to the whole group. ------------------------------------------ You are right, Stewart. Please cancel that whole paragraph about the KIO3B. Apologies to the group for spreading my confusion worldwide. 73 from Ian GM3SEK From heinz.baertschi at bluewin.ch Thu Oct 29 04:34:57 2015 From: heinz.baertschi at bluewin.ch (=?utf-8?Q?Heinz_B=C3=A4rtschi?=) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:34:57 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? In-Reply-To: <1717313154.7097159.1446106505116.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1717313154.7097159.1446106505116.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5D13C9F8-65A7-4747-ADF3-E4A4F9C4D75C@bluewin.ch> Am 29.10.2015 um 09:15 schrieb Martin Storli - LA8OKA : > > ... "The KX3 wasn't the first Direct Conversion SDR receiver with knobs either, there where several smaler manufactures just prior to the KX3." Yes, maybe the ADAT-200 designed by Hans HB9CBU was the very first such transceiver. Enjoy! http://www.adat.ch/index_e.html 73, Heinz HB9BCB > Fra: Joe W2KJ > Til: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sendt: Onsdag, 28. oktober 2015 23.48 > Emne: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? > > Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: > > Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. > > Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. > > The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. > > Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. > > 73, Joe W2KJ > KX3/KXPA100 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to arcticpeak at yahoo.no > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to heinz.baertschi at bluewin.ch From ppauly at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 07:51:53 2015 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:51:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? Message-ID: I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and seem to be well regarded. I've come up with these two choices, feel free to give more suggestions of other models. I've seen talk on this reflector of supplying more than 13.8V to the K3S so that's why I'm looking at the 15V model. 12V Model: Meanwell NES-350-12 Voltage range 10-13.5V 29A 15V Model: Meanwell NES-350-15 Voltage range 13.5-18V 23.2A The 15 volt model would seem to be the obvious choice, except that it doesn't supply the recommended 25 amps. The K3S manual says 22 amps typical though. Is there another model Meanwell I should be looking at that has better protection or filtering? I've already got an Astron switching power supply, the Meanwell would be a second alternative. From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 08:07:46 2015 From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:07:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working In-Reply-To: <562CD109.3040400@embarqmail.com> References: <5627C831.50904@gmail.com> <56297D3A.4090400@att.net> <562BD596.3050601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <562CCE68.14935.3F6F1E1@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> <562CD109.3040400@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <56320C12.7040306@gmail.com> All, I found the problem. My serial cable had a broken wire on pin 2. I had used the serial cable on my KPA-500 and it was working. Must have broken when I removed it from the system and used it to test the KRC2. Thanks for all the pointers and help! Murphy is so busy at my QTH, hope he leaves soon! Thank you, Gordon - N1MGO On 10/25/2015 08:54 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > John, > > Actually a standard serial cable can be connected to the KRC2 if > jumpers W11 thru W20 are removed, no need to cut off wires in the cable. > That information *is* in the plugging configuration charts. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 10/25/2015 8:43 AM, John K9UWA wrote: >> >> A simple statement in the KRC2 manual could have been added by Elecraft >> stating. To Program your KRC2 to your K3 radio get a standard DB9 serial >> cable. and CUT OFF all wires EXCEPT 2, 3 and 5. Mark the cable Program >> KCR2 ONLY and save the cable for future use. I wonder how many >> additional KRC2 boxes Elecraft could have sold over the last 4 years? >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gordon.lapoint at gmail.com -- Gordon - N1MGO From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Oct 29 08:26:47 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:26:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56321087.7030205@blomand.net> An Astron SS-30M is a much better supply and will supply the required current. It has excellent regulation and IS NOT a noise generator. Plus it has a volt meter and amp meter on the front panel. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 10/29/2015 6:51 AM, Peter Pauly wrote: > I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and ........ From k2mk at comcast.net Thu Oct 29 09:05:46 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 06:05:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1446123946333-7609688.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Peter, I bought the Astron RS-35M for my $4000 K3 in 2008. I've never turned it off and I've never even given it a second thought. No fan, no RF noise, just reliable DC. 73, Mike K2MK Peter Pauly wrote > I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and seem > to be well regarded. I've come up with these two choices, feel free to > give > more suggestions of other models. I've seen talk on this reflector of > supplying more than 13.8V to the K3S so that's why I'm looking at the 15V > model. > > 12V Model: Meanwell NES-350-12 > Voltage range 10-13.5V > 29A > > > 15V Model: Meanwell NES-350-15 > Voltage range 13.5-18V > 23.2A > > > The 15 volt model would seem to be the obvious choice, except that it > doesn't supply the recommended 25 amps. The K3S manual says 22 amps > typical > though. > > Is there another model Meanwell I should be looking at that has better > protection or filtering? > > I've already got an Astron switching power supply, the Meanwell would be a > second alternative. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Which-of-these-would-make-the-best-power-supply-for-the-K3-S-tp7609685p7609688.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From frank at k5dkz.com Thu Oct 29 11:09:41 2015 From: frank at k5dkz.com (frank) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:09:41 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage Message-ID: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> This subject keeps cropping up. Is this a serious issue ? I have heard that IMD improves by 10db with a one volt increase in supply voltage. Is this really the case or just a measurement error? 10db is a large difference. One volt is a small variation. What is the minimum acceptable IMD? How linear does the amp need to be? If 36db is better than 26db is 100db even better or just overkill? Are other solid state amplifier products similarly effected? What is the IMD performance of the K3S at 10 watts over a supply voltage variation from 11 volts to 14.7 volts? I ask because I believe those ten watts are generated by Dmos devices as well. Do these devices only misbehave with varying supply voltage at higher (100w) power levels and lower supply voltages? Should I wait to purchase a K3S until this issue is resolved? (Assuming this is a valid issue) Back in the good old days we used to solve problems. Today we don't have problems, just issues. -- Frank - K5DKZ KX3 - 7550 PX3 - 1143 KXPA100 - 1566 From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Oct 29 10:41:25 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:41:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <56323015.6050807@embarqmail.com> Frank, I think the "issue" is one of some hams wanting to make what is good already into something better. If you look closely you should discover that this is a situation common to *all* 100 watt class amplifiers that are supposed to run on a nominal '12 volt' supply. That voltage level is chosen because it is common for vehicle batteries, so most transceivers are designed around that voltage - the K3S is just one of those. Using an increased voltage power supply will drastically reduce the transmit IMD, and that is true for all those 100 watt class amplifiers. Bottom line is that I don't think it will be "fixed" in the K3S - I don't think it can be fixed in any of the 100 watt class solid state amplifiers. So the thing to do is to run the power supply voltage up to near 15 volts (but not above), and do not operate with "all knobs to the right". Many hams seen to want to squeeze all the power output that they can from a transceiver, so you will put a cleaner signal on the air if you set the power to 100 watts rather than trying to squeeze that last 20 extra watts out of an amplifier. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/29/2015 11:09 AM, frank wrote: > This subject keeps cropping up. Is this a serious issue ? > > I have heard that IMD improves by 10db with a one volt increase in supply voltage. Is this really the case or just a measurement error? 10db is a large difference. One volt is a small variation. > > What is the minimum acceptable IMD? How linear does the amp need to be? If 36db is better than 26db is 100db even better or just overkill? > > Are other solid state amplifier products similarly effected? > > What is the IMD performance of the K3S at 10 watts over a supply voltage variation from 11 volts to 14.7 volts? I ask because I believe those ten watts are generated by Dmos devices as well. Do these devices only misbehave with varying supply voltage at higher (100w) power levels and lower supply voltages? > > Should I wait to purchase a K3S until this issue is resolved? (Assuming this is a valid issue) > > From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Oct 29 10:43:24 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:43:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: Frank, All radios that run from an external DC supply (to make them usable with emergency power sources, such as a 12-V car battery or solar panel) are subject to increasing TX IMD as supply voltage goes down. But such radios are virtually all specified (by the manufacturer) and tested (in QST reviews, for example) at a standard bench supply voltage of about 14 V. If you're running from lower voltages, such as from a depleted 12 V car battery, the radio is not likely to put out full power on all bands. This effect will vary with band, load impedance, and the actual voltage. You could simply crank the power all the way up and accept whatever TX IMD results from this. Instead, we recommend reducing power manually if you know the voltage is low. The K3 and K3S, like our other radios, are very popular for Field Day and other applications where a battery might be used. So we provide two ways for you to monitor the supply voltage: 1. The CONFIG:BAT MIN menu entry. This sets the voltage at which you will periodically see a BAT LOW warning on the display. 2. Voltage display: Tap DISP and rotate VFO B until you see XX.X VDC. You can also display current drain and PA temperature this way. 73, Wayne N6KR On Oct 29, 2015, at 8:09 AM, frank wrote: > This subject keeps cropping up. Is this a serious issue ? > > I have heard that IMD improves by 10db with a one volt increase in supply voltage. Is this really the case or just a measurement error? 10db is a large difference. One volt is a small variation. > > What is the minimum acceptable IMD? How linear does the amp need to be? If 36db is better than 26db is 100db even better or just overkill? > > Are other solid state amplifier products similarly effected? > > What is the IMD performance of the K3S at 10 watts over a supply voltage variation from 11 volts to 14.7 volts? I ask because I believe those ten watts are generated by Dmos devices as well. Do these devices only misbehave with varying supply voltage at higher (100w) power levels and lower supply voltages? > > Should I wait to purchase a K3S until this issue is resolved? (Assuming this is a valid issue) > > Back in the good old days we used to solve problems. Today we don't have problems, just issues. > > -- > Frank - K5DKZ > KX3 - 7550 > PX3 - 1143 > KXPA100 - 1566 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From pa0pje at xs4all.nl Thu Oct 29 10:46:17 2015 From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:46:17 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] So: Which mini-keyboard to use with the PX3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56323139.3000504@xs4all.nl> Hello Wayne, I have tested and use a Rapoo wireless ultra-slim keyboard model E9070 with a very tiny 2,4 GHz dongle. It has an on/off switch at the bottom and works, as far as I can tell, flawless. It does have a numeric keypad but still measures only 340 mm x 110 mm x 5 mm at the "spacebar" end and 10 mm at the upper part, due to the battery container, so it has a slight slant by nature. the backside is stainless steel sheet. I bought it in the Netherlands but as far as I can see Amazon has it too. I paid 25 euro for it. http://www.amazon.com/Rapoo-E9070-Wireless-Ultra-Slim-Black/dp/B0072LYIDU 73, Peter Op 2015-10-27 01:25 schreef Wayne Burdick: > Hi all, > > I'm shopping for a very compact (10" or less in width) wireless keyboard to use with my PX3. Obviously it'll be no-frills, no numeric keypad, etc. The Logitech 360 works great but takes up too much space, IMHO. > > The PX3's keyboard feature has been in test for awhile. Can anyone enthusiastically endorse a specific keyboard that works with the PX3, is small, inexpensive, and widely available? > > If we find one that meets these criteria, we may start stocking it. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pa0pje at xs4all.nl > From grfinn at earthlink.net Thu Oct 29 11:32:58 2015 From: grfinn at earthlink.net (gerald finn) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:32:58 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? Message-ID: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> For powering my Elecraft K3S and P3, I am using the Astron RS-35 power supply feeding a West Mountain DC-to-Go PWR gate PG40S and Rigrunner 4007U with a 79 Amp hour battery. Living on an island, we have many spikes and losses of power during the year. I figure that if I'm spending a sizable amount for my rig, I should have a good power supply. -----Original Message----- >From: elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net >Sent: Oct 29, 2015 7:41 AM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Elecraft Digest, Vol 138, Issue 40 > >Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to > elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net > >You can reach the person managing the list at > elecraft-owner at mailman.qth.net > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. KX3 to Computer (Forest Shick) > 2. Re: KX3 to Computer (Martin Waller) > 3. K3 and Wsjt (Guy F2CT) > 4. Re: KX3 to Computer (Lyle Johnson) > 5. Re: KX3 to Computer (martin waller) > 6. Re: KX3 to Computer (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) > 7. Re: KX3 to Computer (martin waller) > 8. For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters (William Evans) > 9. Re: KX3 AGC HLD settings (Cady, Fred) > 10. K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) (William Evans) > 11. Re: For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters (Ian - Ham) > 12. Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Joe W2KJ) > 13. Re: Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) > 14. Re: K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) (William Evans) > 15. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (David Woolley) > 16. Re: K3 and Wsjt (Michael Eberle) > 17. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (Don Wilhelm) > 18. Re: Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Wayne Burdick) > 19. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) > 20. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (Fred Jensen) > 21. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) > 22. Re: Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Martin Storli - LA8OKA) > 23. Re: K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? (Ian White) > 24. Re: Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Heinz B?rtschi) > 25. Which of these would make the best power supply for the > K3(S)? (Peter Pauly) > 26. Re: KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working (Gordon LaPoint) > 27. Re: Which of these would make the best power supply for the > K3(S)? (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) > 28. Re: Which of these would make the best power supply for the > K3(S)? (Mike K2MK) > 29. IMD and supply voltage (frank) > 30. Re: IMD and supply voltage (Don Wilhelm) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 16:58:09 -0400 >From: "Forest Shick" >To: >Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >Message-ID: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >SSTV. I have purchased the cable set. I connect the KX3 - Phones connector >to the computer audio in and I can receive RTTY & SSTV. If I connect the >computer audio out to the KX3 MIC, the radio goes into transmit. I would >guess this is because the connector on the cable is incorrect for the MIC >connector - too few contacts. > > > >So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? > >Thank You > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:21:09 +0000 (UTC) >From: Martin Waller >To: Forest Shick , > "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >Message-ID: > <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >Hi, >Good questions. I have been playing with RTTY myself this last few days and hit just that problem. I have been holding the microphone infront of the PC speaker in the interim as that worked as a temporary solution. >I would like to know the best way of doing this too. >MartinG0PJO > > > On Wednesday, 28 October 2015, 20:58, Forest Shick wrote: > > > What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >SSTV. I have purchased the cable set. I connect the KX3 - Phones connector >to the computer audio in and I can receive RTTY & SSTV. If I connect the >computer audio out to the KX3 MIC, the radio goes into transmit. I would >guess this is because the connector on the cable is incorrect for the MIC >connector - too few contacts. > > > >So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? > >Thank You > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to martin at the-wallers.net > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:24:56 +0100 >From: Guy F2CT >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Wsjt >Message-ID: <7nnbgyeix10vxamp0v89fe3r.1446067496430 at email.android.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >Hello >I need some help in order to use my K3 + K144XV in JT modes. >What's the best adaptor between K3 and PC ? >Thanks a lot for help. >Kundest Regards > >Cordiales 73 >Guy F2CT > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 14:44:19 -0700 >From: Lyle Johnson >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >Message-ID: <563141B3.2060005 at gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >Disable the mic buttons (see menu items) and use VOX (or a serial port >command) to switch between Tx and Rx depending on your program's features. > >And be sure to set MIG GAIN to ZERO then gradually increase it to get >the 4-5 bars of ALC indication. If the MIC GAIN is too high for the >computer's audio level, the ALC bar graph and the transmit audio levels >may not respond properly (this is a bug on my short list to fix). > >73, > >Lyle KK7P > >> Good question...I have been holding the microphone infront of the PC speaker in the interim as that worked as a temporary solution. >> ... >> >> What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >> SSTV... >> >> So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:01:20 +0000 >From: martin waller >To: Lyle Johnson >Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Hi Lyle > >Many thanks for the complete explanation. I'll give it a whirl. > >Martin >G0PJO > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On 28 Oct 2015, at 21:44, Lyle Johnson wrote: >> >> Disable the mic buttons (see menu items) and use VOX (or a serial port command) to switch between Tx and Rx depending on your program's features. >> >> And be sure to set MIG GAIN to ZERO then gradually increase it to get the 4-5 bars of ALC indication. If the MIC GAIN is too high for the computer's audio level, the ALC bar graph and the transmit audio levels may not respond properly (this is a bug on my short list to fix). >> >> 73, >> >> Lyle KK7P >> >>> Good question...I have been holding the microphone infront of the PC speaker in the interim as that worked as a temporary solution. >>> ... >>> >>> What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >>> SSTV... >>> >>> So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to martin at the-wallers.net > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:16:51 -0700 >From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >Message-ID: <56314953.7030200 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >This looks useful: https://k4mtx.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/kx3-fldigi-setup/ > >It's specific to FLDIGI, but all of the soundcard modes require pretty >much the same wiring. > >Please note: if you hold the microphone to the PC speaker, the >microphone will pick up background noise and transmit that all over the >band. > >Generally speaking, you'll be operating in a part of the band that >discourages wideband noise. > >73 -- Lynn > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:29:28 +0000 >From: martin waller >To: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" >Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >Message-ID: <08251545-92E4-4083-B71B-88AE4F6BAB78 at the-wallers.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Hi > >Thanks for the tip about holding the microphone! I've only played on 2m so far so I should not have upset too many people! > >Martin > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On 28 Oct 2015, at 22:16, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" wrote: >> >> This looks useful: https://k4mtx.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/kx3-fldigi-setup/ >> >> It's specific to FLDIGI, but all of the soundcard modes require pretty much the same wiring. >> >> Please note: if you hold the microphone to the PC speaker, the microphone will pick up background noise and transmit that all over the band. >> >> Generally speaking, you'll be operating in a part of the band that discourages wideband noise. >> >> 73 -- Lynn >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to martin at the-wallers.net > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 8 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:33:51 -0400 >From: William Evans >To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 9 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:35:47 +0000 >From: "Cady, Fred" >To: GRANT YOUNGMAN , Elecraft Reflector > >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 AGC HLD settings >Message-ID: > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > >Hi Grant, >When I did my KX3 books I somehow figured out it is 0.00 to 2.00 seconds. That's what the K3 does and I assume the KX3 is the same. >Cheers, >Fred KE7X > >Author of: >?The Elecraft K3S and P3 ? Getting the Most out from Your High Performance Station?. >"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" >"The Portable Elecraft KX3 ? Going for the Summit with the KX3 and KX3-2M/4M" >?The Elecraft KX-Line ? The Complete Station? >?The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 ? the K-Line Dream Station? >Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com >PDF files available from www.ke7x.com >?The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters ? Assembling the KX3-Line Station? printed copy available at www.lulu.com and pdf from www.ke7x.com. >Plus a book dedicated to the K3S upgrades for the K3 and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book are works in progress. >Free guides at ke7x.com >KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide >http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide >KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation >http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners > > >________________________________________ >From: Elecraft on behalf of GRANT YOUNGMAN >Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:07 AM >To: Elecraft Reflector >Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AGC HLD settings > >The KX3 manual indicates that the AGC HLD setting is in ?seconds?. It doesn?t appear that ?001? in the three digit display is one second. > >I suspect its either ?(.)XXX? seconds or ?X(.)XX? seconds. I must have missed something in the book somewhere. A search on Nabble, update history, etc. didn?t go anywhere either. > >Can someone shed some light? > >Thanks ? Grant NQ5T > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 10 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:38:38 -0400 >From: William Evans >To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) >Message-ID: <86C7005C-7677-4373-B18F-BE58280F5A27 at w4ish.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >KFL3A-6K 8 pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS >KFL3A-400 8-Pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS > >both for $210 including shipping > >Bill >W4ish @ w4ish.net > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 11 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:39:56 -0400 >From: "Ian - Ham" >To: "'William Evans'" , >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters >Message-ID: <000701d111d1$924fb7b0$b6ef2710$@gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Which ones? How much? > >Thanks and 73, > >--Ian >Ian Kahn, KM4IK >Roswell, GA EM74ua >km4ik.ian at gmail.com >10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 >PODXS 070 #1962 >K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >William Evans >Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:34 PM >To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 12 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:48:42 -0400 >From: Joe W2KJ >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: > >Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. > >Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. > >The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. > >Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. > > 73, Joe W2KJ > KX3/KXPA100 > >------------------------------ > >Message: 13 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:59:08 -0700 >From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >Message-ID: <5631533C.6050901 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >It has a Touch Screen! Sweet!! > > > >On 10/28/2015 3:48 PM, Joe W2KJ wrote: >> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >> >> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >> >> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. >> >> The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. >> >> Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. >> >> 73, Joe W2KJ >> KX3/KXPA100 > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 14 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 19:00:37 -0400 >From: William Evans >To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) >Message-ID: <524458ED-6117-4798-A4B7-82FD91BA7836 at w4ish.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Gentlemen, >the 6K filter is spoken for (pending payment) Thanks > >Bill >W4ISH >> On Oct 28, 2015, at 6:38 PM, William Evans wrote: >> >> KFL3A-6K 8 pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS >> KFL3A-400 8-Pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS >> >> both for $210 including shipping >> >> Bill >> W4ish @ w4ish.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w4ish at w4ish.net > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 15 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:33:18 +0000 >From: David Woolley >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >Message-ID: <56315B3E.5050404 at david-woolley.me.uk> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >Although I hadn't noticed it before, I would say that design in the K2 >is more about stability and DC offsets than anything to do with pick up >of the BFO. The balanced demodulator and last two crystals deal with that. > >The old, basically AM sets, used high level, unbalanced detectors. That >required more total gain from aerial to detector, although that might be >split between RF and two IF frequencies. > >Balanced detectors can work with much lower level signals, which is >particularly helpful for a single conversion design, like the K2. >However, the AGC detector doesn't want to be balanced, and with a low >level signal, would have a large DC offset, that might exceed the wanted >rectified AGC, therefore additional gain is needed before the AGC >detector. If this were done at the IF frequency, the gain from input to >output at one frequency would be much greater, and proportionately less >stray coupling would be needed to make the whole system oscillate. By >shifting the frequency, which can be done at low signal levels, the >design reduces the gain at any one frequency. > >The risk with doing all at one frequency is not pickup of the BFO at the >input of the IF amplifier, but pickup of its own output. > >If there were leakage of the BFO it would get amplified just as much as >if additional gain was tapped off at the same point and amplified at the >original frequency. The design seems to rely on the balance of the >detector and the two pole crystal filter, to stop the BFO getting into >the AGC path, and not the difference in frequency. > >-- >David Woolley >Owner K2 06123 >On 28/10/15 03:15, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > >> >> The most successful solutions (before SDR technology took over) were to >> split the I.F. with a second mixer that was far removed from the main I.F. >> the second I.F. was used to generate the AGC voltage and, since it was on a >> wholly different frequency from the main I.F. the BFO didn't trigger the >> AGC. In fact, the Elecraft K2 uses that technique quite successfully. > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 16 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:52:54 -0500 >From: Michael Eberle >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Wsjt >Message-ID: <56315FD5.6070804 at mchsi.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 17 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:19:53 -0400 >From: Don Wilhelm >To: David Woolley , > elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >Message-ID: <56316629.5000603 at embarqmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >David, > >I do not understand your logic. >Let's divorce the AGC from the product detector for a moment. The K2 >takes the input to the AGC circuit from the IF and converts it to a >frequency that is removed from the IF signal. The AGC circuit produces >a DC voltage that is used to control the gain of the IF amplifier - period. >That has nothing to do with balanced or unbalanced - the output is a a >DC voltage which is applied to the IF amplifier to control its gain. > >That means that the only signals applied to the product detector are the >incoming signal (already controlled by the AGC) and the BFO. > >Yes, receivers of old did not use product detectors (mixers) but used a >diode detector, and the BFO signal was injected along with the IF signal >to produce the audio output. The BFO injection level was fixed, and >therefore the gain of the IF input to the detector had to be matched to >the BFO level for proper demodulation to occur. The result is that one >had to ride the RF Gain to make the levels of the IF signal and the BFO >work in harmony with each other. In addition, the AGC was developed >after the detector, so in those old receivers, it was best to turn off >the AGC. > >That is not true for receivers using a product detector. BFO pickup is >not a problem with a product detector as long as the output of the mixer >(product detector) is restricted to a bandpass that contains only the >audio frequencies (the input frequencies - BFO and IF - are rejected >leaving only the audio content). > >Those old operating habits (ride the RF Gain and set the AF Gain at max) >are still being used by some operators, but it is not necessary for >modern receivers which use product detectors - the K2 is included in >that list. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 10/28/2015 7:33 PM, David Woolley wrote: >> Although I hadn't noticed it before, I would say that design in the K2 >> is more about stability and DC offsets than anything to do with pick >> up of the BFO. The balanced demodulator and last two crystals deal >> with that. >> >> The old, basically AM sets, used high level, unbalanced detectors. >> That required more total gain from aerial to detector, although that >> might be split between RF and two IF frequencies. >> >> Balanced detectors can work with much lower level signals, which is >> particularly helpful for a single conversion design, like the K2. >> However, the AGC detector doesn't want to be balanced, and with a low >> level signal, would have a large DC offset, that might exceed the >> wanted rectified AGC, therefore additional gain is needed before the >> AGC detector. If this were done at the IF frequency, the gain from >> input to output at one frequency would be much greater, and >> proportionately less stray coupling would be needed to make the whole >> system oscillate. By shifting the frequency, which can be done at low >> signal levels, the design reduces the gain at any one frequency. >> >> The risk with doing all at one frequency is not pickup of the BFO at >> the input of the IF amplifier, but pickup of its own output. >> >> If there were leakage of the BFO it would get amplified just as much >> as if additional gain was tapped off at the same point and amplified >> at the original frequency. The design seems to rely on the balance of >> the detector and the two pole crystal filter, to stop the BFO getting >> into the AGC path, and not the difference in frequency. >> > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 18 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 17:44:50 -0700 >From: Wayne Burdick >To: Joe W2KJ >Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >Message-ID: <9C1FC112-2AED-4F41-8CB3-AD09A928D26B at elecraft.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Joe W2KJ wrote: > >> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >> >> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >> >> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. > >Based on Icom's published specs, by volume it is 7.5 times larger than the KX3. > >Wayne >N6KR > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 19 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:19:46 -0500 >From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >Message-ID: <56317432.3060800 at blomand.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >Don is absolutely correct. > >As many may know, I do assist hams with issues associated with many >different products here and elsewhere. The biggest issue I encounter is >the ham that says " well somebody told me to.... blah blah blah blah >......and it would work best". In many cases, nothing could be further >from the truth. I find today that many hams are more prone to have and >use old school thinking and methods trying to be used with today's >radios. I find this applies to many facets of ham radio equipment as >being used today. > >As I've told many, if you expect the radio to operate like a Kenwood, >ICOM or Yaesu, it darn well better say Kenwood, ICOM or Yaesu on the >front panel. Otherwise stated, learn to use the Elecraft radio >correctly in order to attain optimum performance, for indeed they do not >operate like the others. > >73 >Bob, K4TAX >K3S s/n 10163 > > >On 10/28/2015 7:19 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Those old operating habits (ride the RF Gain and set the AF Gain at >> max) are still being used by some operators, but it is not necessary >> for modern receivers which use product detectors - the K2 is included >> in that list. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 20 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:47:38 -0700 >From: Fred Jensen >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >Message-ID: <56317ABA.5070605 at foothill.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >How do I set the AGC on my loose coupler receiver? :-) I'm old, but >I've never used the RF Gain on my K3. > >73, > >Fred K6DGW >- Northern California Contest Club >- CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 >- www.cqp.org > >On 10/28/2015 6:19 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: >> Don is absolutely correct. >> >> As many may know, I do assist hams with issues associated with many >> different products here and elsewhere. The biggest issue I encounter is >> the ham that says " well somebody told me to.... blah blah blah blah >> .....and it would work best". In many cases, nothing could be further >> from the truth. I find today that many hams are more prone to have and >> use old school thinking and methods trying to be used with today's >> radios. I find this applies to many facets of ham radio equipment as >> being used today. >> >> As I've told many, if you expect the radio to operate like a Kenwood, >> ICOM or Yaesu, it darn well better say Kenwood, ICOM or Yaesu on the >> front panel. Otherwise stated, learn to use the Elecraft radio >> correctly in order to attain optimum performance, for indeed they do not >> operate like the others. >> >> 73 >> Bob, K4TAX >> K3S s/n 10163 > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 21 >Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:08:45 -0500 >From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >Message-ID: <56317FAD.8000504 at blomand.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >Back in 1923, in order to receive a signal, the following adjustments >must be made and possibly repeated to get the optimum performance (not a >simple matter and easily upset): The input coil (inside box) is adjusted >to resonate at the desired receiving frequency using the two tap >selectors on the front panel of the box.The inductance of the secondary >coil is set by its tapping switch and tuned by a capacitor to suit the >frequency being received. Moving the secondary coil in and out of the >primary (in the box) allows coupling to adjusted for maximum >performance. With coil pushed in, the sensitivity will be high and the >selectivity will be poor. The reverse occurs with the coil pulled out. > >73 >Bob, K4TAX > >On 10/28/2015 8:47 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > >How do I set the AGC on my loose coupler receiver? > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 22 >Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:15:05 +0000 (UTC) >From: Martin Storli - LA8OKA >To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >Message-ID: > <1717313154.7097159.1446106505116.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >When it comes to RF architecture, the IC-7300 is nothing like the KX3, it's actually a step ahead, because it's not a Direct Conversion, but a RF Direct sampling?. >ICOM didn't follow Elecraft on this one. They rather follow FlexRadio, the russian Expert Electronics and the italian Elad amongst other. So many are going Down this road now, it's hard to tell who's first. >The KX3 wasn't the first Direct Conversion?SDR receiver with knobs either, there where several smaler manufactures just prior to the KX3.But KX3 might claim to be the first commersial success, but that is more to?due to?the strong?Elecraft brand and the KX1 legassy than due to innovation.And, it's a good transceiver, so it deserves the success regardless of the RF architecture employed. >Best regards >Martin Storli LA8OKAOslo, Norway ?ARCTICPEAK's Radio pages! http://www.arcticpeak.com/radio.htm > Fra: Joe W2KJ > Til: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Sendt: Onsdag, 28. oktober 2015 23.48 > Emne: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? > >Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: > >Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. > >Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size,? I believe. > >The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. > >Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. > >??? ??? ??? 73, Joe W2KJ >??? ??? ??? KX3/KXPA100 >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to arcticpeak at yahoo.no > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 23 >Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:20:28 -0000 >From: "Ian White" >To: >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? >Message-ID: <006601d11222$b0e8a640$12b9f2c0$@co.uk> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Apologies once again - this message sent yesterday to G3RXQ was meant to >be copied to the whole group. > > >------------------------------------------ > >You are right, Stewart. > >Please cancel that whole paragraph about the KIO3B. Apologies to the >group for spreading my confusion worldwide. > > >73 from Ian GM3SEK > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 24 >Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:34:57 +0100 >From: Heinz B?rtschi >To: Martin Storli - LA8OKA >Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >Message-ID: <5D13C9F8-65A7-4747-ADF3-E4A4F9C4D75C at bluewin.ch> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Am 29.10.2015 um 09:15 schrieb Martin Storli - LA8OKA : >> >> ... "The KX3 wasn't the first Direct Conversion SDR receiver with knobs either, there where several smaler manufactures just prior to the KX3." > >Yes, maybe the ADAT-200 designed by Hans HB9CBU was the very first such transceiver. Enjoy! >http://www.adat.ch/index_e.html > >73, Heinz HB9BCB > > > > > >> Fra: Joe W2KJ >> Til: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Sendt: Onsdag, 28. oktober 2015 23.48 >> Emne: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >> >> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >> >> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >> >> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. >> >> The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. >> >> Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. >> >> 73, Joe W2KJ >> KX3/KXPA100 >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to arcticpeak at yahoo.no >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to heinz.baertschi at bluewin.ch > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 25 >Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:51:53 -0400 >From: Peter Pauly >To: Elecraft Reflector >Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply > for the K3(S)? >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and seem >to be well regarded. I've come up with these two choices, feel free to give >more suggestions of other models. I've seen talk on this reflector of >supplying more than 13.8V to the K3S so that's why I'm looking at the 15V >model. > >12V Model: Meanwell NES-350-12 >Voltage range 10-13.5V >29A > > >15V Model: Meanwell NES-350-15 >Voltage range 13.5-18V >23.2A > > >The 15 volt model would seem to be the obvious choice, except that it >doesn't supply the recommended 25 amps. The K3S manual says 22 amps typical >though. > >Is there another model Meanwell I should be looking at that has better >protection or filtering? > >I've already got an Astron switching power supply, the Meanwell would be a >second alternative. > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 26 >Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:07:46 -0400 >From: Gordon LaPoint >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working >Message-ID: <56320C12.7040306 at gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >All, > I found the problem. My serial cable had a broken wire on pin >2. I had used the serial cable on my KPA-500 and it was working. Must >have broken when I removed it from the system and used it to test the >KRC2. Thanks for all the pointers and help! Murphy is so busy at my QTH, >hope he leaves soon! > >Thank you, >Gordon - N1MGO > >On 10/25/2015 08:54 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> John, >> >> Actually a standard serial cable can be connected to the KRC2 if >> jumpers W11 thru W20 are removed, no need to cut off wires in the cable. >> That information *is* in the plugging configuration charts. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 10/25/2015 8:43 AM, John K9UWA wrote: >>> >>> A simple statement in the KRC2 manual could have been added by Elecraft >>> stating. To Program your KRC2 to your K3 radio get a standard DB9 serial >>> cable. and CUT OFF all wires EXCEPT 2, 3 and 5. Mark the cable Program >>> KCR2 ONLY and save the cable for future use. I wonder how many >>> additional KRC2 boxes Elecraft could have sold over the last 4 years? >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gordon.lapoint at gmail.com > > >-- >Gordon - N1MGO > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 27 >Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:26:47 -0500 >From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power > supply for the K3(S)? >Message-ID: <56321087.7030205 at blomand.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >An Astron SS-30M is a much better supply and will supply the required >current. It has excellent regulation and IS NOT a noise generator. >Plus it has a volt meter and amp meter on the front panel. > >73 >Bob, K4TAX >K3S s/n 10163 > >On 10/29/2015 6:51 AM, Peter Pauly wrote: >> I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and ........ > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 28 >Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 06:05:46 -0700 (MST) >From: Mike K2MK >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power > supply for the K3(S)? >Message-ID: <1446123946333-7609688.post at n2.nabble.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Hi Peter, > >I bought the Astron RS-35M for my $4000 K3 in 2008. I've never turned it off >and I've never even given it a second thought. No fan, no RF noise, just >reliable DC. > >73, >Mike K2MK > > > >Peter Pauly wrote >> I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and seem >> to be well regarded. I've come up with these two choices, feel free to >> give >> more suggestions of other models. I've seen talk on this reflector of >> supplying more than 13.8V to the K3S so that's why I'm looking at the 15V >> model. >> >> 12V Model: Meanwell NES-350-12 >> Voltage range 10-13.5V >> 29A >> >> >> 15V Model: Meanwell NES-350-15 >> Voltage range 13.5-18V >> 23.2A >> >> >> The 15 volt model would seem to be the obvious choice, except that it >> doesn't supply the recommended 25 amps. The K3S manual says 22 amps >> typical >> though. >> >> Is there another model Meanwell I should be looking at that has better >> protection or filtering? >> >> I've already got an Astron switching power supply, the Meanwell would be a >> second alternative. > > > > > >-- >View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Which-of-these-would-make-the-best-power-supply-for-the-K3-S-tp7609685p7609688.html >Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 29 >Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:09:41 -0600 >From: frank >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage >Message-ID: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203 at k5dkz.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >This subject keeps cropping up. Is this a serious issue ? > >I have heard that IMD improves by 10db with a one volt increase in supply voltage. Is this really the case or just a measurement error? 10db is a large difference. One volt is a small variation. > >What is the minimum acceptable IMD? How linear does the amp need to be? If 36db is better than 26db is 100db even better or just overkill? > >Are other solid state amplifier products similarly effected? > >What is the IMD performance of the K3S at 10 watts over a supply voltage variation from 11 volts to 14.7 volts? I ask because I believe those ten watts are generated by Dmos devices as well. Do these devices only misbehave with varying supply voltage at higher (100w) power levels and lower supply voltages? > >Should I wait to purchase a K3S until this issue is resolved? (Assuming this is a valid issue) > >Back in the good old days we used to solve problems. Today we don't have problems, just issues. > >-- >Frank - K5DKZ >KX3 - 7550 >PX3 - 1143 >KXPA100 - 1566 > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 30 >Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:41:25 -0400 >From: Don Wilhelm >To: frank , elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage >Message-ID: <56323015.6050807 at embarqmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >Frank, > >I think the "issue" is one of some hams wanting to make what is good >already into something better. >If you look closely you should discover that this is a situation common >to *all* 100 watt class amplifiers that are supposed to run on a nominal >'12 volt' supply. That voltage level is chosen because it is common for >vehicle batteries, so most transceivers are designed around that voltage >- the K3S is just one of those. > >Using an increased voltage power supply will drastically reduce the >transmit IMD, and that is true for all those 100 watt class amplifiers. >Bottom line is that I don't think it will be "fixed" in the K3S - I >don't think it can be fixed in any of the 100 watt class solid state >amplifiers. > >So the thing to do is to run the power supply voltage up to near 15 >volts (but not above), and do not operate with "all knobs to the right". >Many hams seen to want to squeeze all the power output that they can >from a transceiver, so you will put a cleaner signal on the air if you >set the power to 100 watts rather than trying to squeeze that last 20 >extra watts out of an amplifier. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 10/29/2015 11:09 AM, frank wrote: >> This subject keeps cropping up. Is this a serious issue ? >> >> I have heard that IMD improves by 10db with a one volt increase in supply voltage. Is this really the case or just a measurement error? 10db is a large difference. One volt is a small variation. >> >> What is the minimum acceptable IMD? How linear does the amp need to be? If 36db is better than 26db is 100db even better or just overkill? >> >> Are other solid state amplifier products similarly effected? >> >> What is the IMD performance of the K3S at 10 watts over a supply voltage variation from 11 volts to 14.7 volts? I ask because I believe those ten watts are generated by Dmos devices as well. Do these devices only misbehave with varying supply voltage at higher (100w) power levels and lower supply voltages? >> >> Should I wait to purchase a K3S until this issue is resolved? (Assuming this is a valid issue) >> >> > > > >------------------------------ > >Subject: Digest Footer > >_______________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >You must be a subscriber to post. >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > >------------------------------ > >End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 138, Issue 40 >***************************************** From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Oct 29 11:41:54 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Robert) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:41:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yes, life is too short to power a radio from a cheap power supply. Remember, the life and performance of your radio depends on it. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:32 AM, gerald finn wrote: > > For powering my Elecraft K3S and P3, I am using the Astron RS-35 power supply feeding a West Mountain DC-to-Go PWR gate PG40S and Rigrunner 4007U with a 79 Amp hour battery. > > Living on an island, we have many spikes and losses of power during the year. I figure that if I'm spending a sizable amount for my rig, I should have a good power supply. > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net >> Sent: Oct 29, 2015 7:41 AM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Elecraft Digest, Vol 138, Issue 40 >> >> Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to >> elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> elecraft-owner at mailman.qth.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. KX3 to Computer (Forest Shick) >> 2. Re: KX3 to Computer (Martin Waller) >> 3. K3 and Wsjt (Guy F2CT) >> 4. Re: KX3 to Computer (Lyle Johnson) >> 5. Re: KX3 to Computer (martin waller) >> 6. Re: KX3 to Computer (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) >> 7. Re: KX3 to Computer (martin waller) >> 8. For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters (William Evans) >> 9. Re: KX3 AGC HLD settings (Cady, Fred) >> 10. K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) (William Evans) >> 11. Re: For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters (Ian - Ham) >> 12. Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Joe W2KJ) >> 13. Re: Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) >> 14. Re: K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) (William Evans) >> 15. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (David Woolley) >> 16. Re: K3 and Wsjt (Michael Eberle) >> 17. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (Don Wilhelm) >> 18. Re: Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Wayne Burdick) >> 19. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) >> 20. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (Fred Jensen) >> 21. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) >> 22. Re: Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Martin Storli - LA8OKA) >> 23. Re: K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? (Ian White) >> 24. Re: Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Heinz B?rtschi) >> 25. Which of these would make the best power supply for the >> K3(S)? (Peter Pauly) >> 26. Re: KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working (Gordon LaPoint) >> 27. Re: Which of these would make the best power supply for the >> K3(S)? (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) >> 28. Re: Which of these would make the best power supply for the >> K3(S)? (Mike K2MK) >> 29. IMD and supply voltage (frank) >> 30. Re: IMD and supply voltage (Don Wilhelm) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 16:58:09 -0400 >> From: "Forest Shick" >> To: >> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >> Message-ID: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >> SSTV. I have purchased the cable set. I connect the KX3 - Phones connector >> to the computer audio in and I can receive RTTY & SSTV. If I connect the >> computer audio out to the KX3 MIC, the radio goes into transmit. I would >> guess this is because the connector on the cable is incorrect for the MIC >> connector - too few contacts. >> >> >> >> So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? >> >> Thank You >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:21:09 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Martin Waller >> To: Forest Shick , >> "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >> Message-ID: >> <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Hi, >> Good questions. I have been playing with RTTY myself this last few days and hit just that problem. I have been holding the microphone infront of the PC speaker in the interim as that worked as a temporary solution. >> I would like to know the best way of doing this too. >> MartinG0PJO >> >> >> On Wednesday, 28 October 2015, 20:58, Forest Shick wrote: >> >> >> What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >> SSTV. I have purchased the cable set. I connect the KX3 - Phones connector >> to the computer audio in and I can receive RTTY & SSTV. If I connect the >> computer audio out to the KX3 MIC, the radio goes into transmit. I would >> guess this is because the connector on the cable is incorrect for the MIC >> connector - too few contacts. >> >> >> >> So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? >> >> Thank You >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to martin at the-wallers.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:24:56 +0100 >> From: Guy F2CT >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Wsjt >> Message-ID: <7nnbgyeix10vxamp0v89fe3r.1446067496430 at email.android.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Hello >> I need some help in order to use my K3 + K144XV in JT modes. >> What's the best adaptor between K3 and PC ? >> Thanks a lot for help. >> Kundest Regards >> >> Cordiales 73 >> Guy F2CT >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 14:44:19 -0700 >> From: Lyle Johnson >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >> Message-ID: <563141B3.2060005 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Disable the mic buttons (see menu items) and use VOX (or a serial port >> command) to switch between Tx and Rx depending on your program's features. >> >> And be sure to set MIG GAIN to ZERO then gradually increase it to get >> the 4-5 bars of ALC indication. If the MIC GAIN is too high for the >> computer's audio level, the ALC bar graph and the transmit audio levels >> may not respond properly (this is a bug on my short list to fix). >> >> 73, >> >> Lyle KK7P >> >>> Good question...I have been holding the microphone infront of the PC speaker in the interim as that worked as a temporary solution. >>> ... >>> >>> What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >>> SSTV... >>> >>> So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:01:20 +0000 >> From: martin waller >> To: Lyle Johnson >> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hi Lyle >> >> Many thanks for the complete explanation. I'll give it a whirl. >> >> Martin >> G0PJO >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 28 Oct 2015, at 21:44, Lyle Johnson wrote: >>> >>> Disable the mic buttons (see menu items) and use VOX (or a serial port command) to switch between Tx and Rx depending on your program's features. >>> >>> And be sure to set MIG GAIN to ZERO then gradually increase it to get the 4-5 bars of ALC indication. If the MIC GAIN is too high for the computer's audio level, the ALC bar graph and the transmit audio levels may not respond properly (this is a bug on my short list to fix). >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Lyle KK7P >>> >>>> Good question...I have been holding the microphone infront of the PC speaker in the interim as that worked as a temporary solution. >>>> ... >>>> >>>> What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >>>> SSTV... >>>> >>>> So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to martin at the-wallers.net >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:16:51 -0700 >> From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >> Message-ID: <56314953.7030200 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> This looks useful: https://k4mtx.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/kx3-fldigi-setup/ >> >> It's specific to FLDIGI, but all of the soundcard modes require pretty >> much the same wiring. >> >> Please note: if you hold the microphone to the PC speaker, the >> microphone will pick up background noise and transmit that all over the >> band. >> >> Generally speaking, you'll be operating in a part of the band that >> discourages wideband noise. >> >> 73 -- Lynn >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:29:28 +0000 >> From: martin waller >> To: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" >> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >> Message-ID: <08251545-92E4-4083-B71B-88AE4F6BAB78 at the-wallers.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hi >> >> Thanks for the tip about holding the microphone! I've only played on 2m so far so I should not have upset too many people! >> >> Martin >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 28 Oct 2015, at 22:16, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" wrote: >>> >>> This looks useful: https://k4mtx.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/kx3-fldigi-setup/ >>> >>> It's specific to FLDIGI, but all of the soundcard modes require pretty much the same wiring. >>> >>> Please note: if you hold the microphone to the PC speaker, the microphone will pick up background noise and transmit that all over the band. >>> >>> Generally speaking, you'll be operating in a part of the band that discourages wideband noise. >>> >>> 73 -- Lynn >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to martin at the-wallers.net >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:33:51 -0400 >> From: William Evans >> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:35:47 +0000 >> From: "Cady, Fred" >> To: GRANT YOUNGMAN , Elecraft Reflector >> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 AGC HLD settings >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> Hi Grant, >> When I did my KX3 books I somehow figured out it is 0.00 to 2.00 seconds. That's what the K3 does and I assume the KX3 is the same. >> Cheers, >> Fred KE7X >> >> Author of: >> ?The Elecraft K3S and P3 ? Getting the Most out from Your High Performance Station?. >> "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" >> "The Portable Elecraft KX3 ? Going for the Summit with the KX3 and KX3-2M/4M" >> ?The Elecraft KX-Line ? The Complete Station? >> ?The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 ? the K-Line Dream Station? >> Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com >> PDF files available from www.ke7x.com >> ?The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters ? Assembling the KX3-Line Station? printed copy available at www.lulu.com and pdf from www.ke7x.com. >> Plus a book dedicated to the K3S upgrades for the K3 and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book are works in progress. >> Free guides at ke7x.com >> KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide >> http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide >> KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation >> http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: Elecraft on behalf of GRANT YOUNGMAN >> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:07 AM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AGC HLD settings >> >> The KX3 manual indicates that the AGC HLD setting is in ?seconds?. It doesn?t appear that ?001? in the three digit display is one second. >> >> I suspect its either ?(.)XXX? seconds or ?X(.)XX? seconds. I must have missed something in the book somewhere. A search on Nabble, update history, etc. didn?t go anywhere either. >> >> Can someone shed some light? >> >> Thanks ? Grant NQ5T >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:38:38 -0400 >> From: William Evans >> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) >> Message-ID: <86C7005C-7677-4373-B18F-BE58280F5A27 at w4ish.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> KFL3A-6K 8 pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS >> KFL3A-400 8-Pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS >> >> both for $210 including shipping >> >> Bill >> W4ish @ w4ish.net >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:39:56 -0400 >> From: "Ian - Ham" >> To: "'William Evans'" , >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters >> Message-ID: <000701d111d1$924fb7b0$b6ef2710$@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Which ones? How much? >> >> Thanks and 73, >> >> --Ian >> Ian Kahn, KM4IK >> Roswell, GA EM74ua >> km4ik.ian at gmail.com >> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 >> PODXS 070 #1962 >> K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >> William Evans >> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:34 PM >> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >> delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:48:42 -0400 >> From: Joe W2KJ >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >> >> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >> >> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. >> >> The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. >> >> Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. >> >> 73, Joe W2KJ >> KX3/KXPA100 >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:59:08 -0700 >> From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >> Message-ID: <5631533C.6050901 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> It has a Touch Screen! Sweet!! >> >> >> >>> On 10/28/2015 3:48 PM, Joe W2KJ wrote: >>> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >>> >>> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >>> >>> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. >>> >>> The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. >>> >>> Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. >>> >>> 73, Joe W2KJ >>> KX3/KXPA100 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 14 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 19:00:37 -0400 >> From: William Evans >> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) >> Message-ID: <524458ED-6117-4798-A4B7-82FD91BA7836 at w4ish.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Gentlemen, >> the 6K filter is spoken for (pending payment) Thanks >> >> Bill >> W4ISH >>> On Oct 28, 2015, at 6:38 PM, William Evans wrote: >>> >>> KFL3A-6K 8 pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS >>> KFL3A-400 8-Pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS >>> >>> both for $210 including shipping >>> >>> Bill >>> W4ish @ w4ish.net >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to w4ish at w4ish.net >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 15 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:33:18 +0000 >> From: David Woolley >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >> Message-ID: <56315B3E.5050404 at david-woolley.me.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> Although I hadn't noticed it before, I would say that design in the K2 >> is more about stability and DC offsets than anything to do with pick up >> of the BFO. The balanced demodulator and last two crystals deal with that. >> >> The old, basically AM sets, used high level, unbalanced detectors. That >> required more total gain from aerial to detector, although that might be >> split between RF and two IF frequencies. >> >> Balanced detectors can work with much lower level signals, which is >> particularly helpful for a single conversion design, like the K2. >> However, the AGC detector doesn't want to be balanced, and with a low >> level signal, would have a large DC offset, that might exceed the wanted >> rectified AGC, therefore additional gain is needed before the AGC >> detector. If this were done at the IF frequency, the gain from input to >> output at one frequency would be much greater, and proportionately less >> stray coupling would be needed to make the whole system oscillate. By >> shifting the frequency, which can be done at low signal levels, the >> design reduces the gain at any one frequency. >> >> The risk with doing all at one frequency is not pickup of the BFO at the >> input of the IF amplifier, but pickup of its own output. >> >> If there were leakage of the BFO it would get amplified just as much as >> if additional gain was tapped off at the same point and amplified at the >> original frequency. The design seems to rely on the balance of the >> detector and the two pole crystal filter, to stop the BFO getting into >> the AGC path, and not the difference in frequency. >> >> -- >> David Woolley >> Owner K2 06123 >>> On 28/10/15 03:15, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >>> >>> >>> The most successful solutions (before SDR technology took over) were to >>> split the I.F. with a second mixer that was far removed from the main I.F. >>> the second I.F. was used to generate the AGC voltage and, since it was on a >>> wholly different frequency from the main I.F. the BFO didn't trigger the >>> AGC. In fact, the Elecraft K2 uses that technique quite successfully. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 16 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:52:54 -0500 >> From: Michael Eberle >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Wsjt >> Message-ID: <56315FD5.6070804 at mchsi.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 17 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:19:53 -0400 >> From: Don Wilhelm >> To: David Woolley , >> elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >> Message-ID: <56316629.5000603 at embarqmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> David, >> >> I do not understand your logic. >> Let's divorce the AGC from the product detector for a moment. The K2 >> takes the input to the AGC circuit from the IF and converts it to a >> frequency that is removed from the IF signal. The AGC circuit produces >> a DC voltage that is used to control the gain of the IF amplifier - period. >> That has nothing to do with balanced or unbalanced - the output is a a >> DC voltage which is applied to the IF amplifier to control its gain. >> >> That means that the only signals applied to the product detector are the >> incoming signal (already controlled by the AGC) and the BFO. >> >> Yes, receivers of old did not use product detectors (mixers) but used a >> diode detector, and the BFO signal was injected along with the IF signal >> to produce the audio output. The BFO injection level was fixed, and >> therefore the gain of the IF input to the detector had to be matched to >> the BFO level for proper demodulation to occur. The result is that one >> had to ride the RF Gain to make the levels of the IF signal and the BFO >> work in harmony with each other. In addition, the AGC was developed >> after the detector, so in those old receivers, it was best to turn off >> the AGC. >> >> That is not true for receivers using a product detector. BFO pickup is >> not a problem with a product detector as long as the output of the mixer >> (product detector) is restricted to a bandpass that contains only the >> audio frequencies (the input frequencies - BFO and IF - are rejected >> leaving only the audio content). >> >> Those old operating habits (ride the RF Gain and set the AF Gain at max) >> are still being used by some operators, but it is not necessary for >> modern receivers which use product detectors - the K2 is included in >> that list. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 10/28/2015 7:33 PM, David Woolley wrote: >>> Although I hadn't noticed it before, I would say that design in the K2 >>> is more about stability and DC offsets than anything to do with pick >>> up of the BFO. The balanced demodulator and last two crystals deal >>> with that. >>> >>> The old, basically AM sets, used high level, unbalanced detectors. >>> That required more total gain from aerial to detector, although that >>> might be split between RF and two IF frequencies. >>> >>> Balanced detectors can work with much lower level signals, which is >>> particularly helpful for a single conversion design, like the K2. >>> However, the AGC detector doesn't want to be balanced, and with a low >>> level signal, would have a large DC offset, that might exceed the >>> wanted rectified AGC, therefore additional gain is needed before the >>> AGC detector. If this were done at the IF frequency, the gain from >>> input to output at one frequency would be much greater, and >>> proportionately less stray coupling would be needed to make the whole >>> system oscillate. By shifting the frequency, which can be done at low >>> signal levels, the design reduces the gain at any one frequency. >>> >>> The risk with doing all at one frequency is not pickup of the BFO at >>> the input of the IF amplifier, but pickup of its own output. >>> >>> If there were leakage of the BFO it would get amplified just as much >>> as if additional gain was tapped off at the same point and amplified >>> at the original frequency. The design seems to rely on the balance of >>> the detector and the two pole crystal filter, to stop the BFO getting >>> into the AGC path, and not the difference in frequency. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 18 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 17:44:50 -0700 >> From: Wayne Burdick >> To: Joe W2KJ >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >> Message-ID: <9C1FC112-2AED-4F41-8CB3-AD09A928D26B at elecraft.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Joe W2KJ wrote: >> >>> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >>> >>> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >>> >>> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. >> >> Based on Icom's published specs, by volume it is 7.5 times larger than the KX3. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 19 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:19:46 -0500 >> From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >> Message-ID: <56317432.3060800 at blomand.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> Don is absolutely correct. >> >> As many may know, I do assist hams with issues associated with many >> different products here and elsewhere. The biggest issue I encounter is >> the ham that says " well somebody told me to.... blah blah blah blah >> ......and it would work best". In many cases, nothing could be further >> from the truth. I find today that many hams are more prone to have and >> use old school thinking and methods trying to be used with today's >> radios. I find this applies to many facets of ham radio equipment as >> being used today. >> >> As I've told many, if you expect the radio to operate like a Kenwood, >> ICOM or Yaesu, it darn well better say Kenwood, ICOM or Yaesu on the >> front panel. Otherwise stated, learn to use the Elecraft radio >> correctly in order to attain optimum performance, for indeed they do not >> operate like the others. >> >> 73 >> Bob, K4TAX >> K3S s/n 10163 >> >> >>> On 10/28/2015 7:19 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> Those old operating habits (ride the RF Gain and set the AF Gain at >>> max) are still being used by some operators, but it is not necessary >>> for modern receivers which use product detectors - the K2 is included >>> in that list. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 20 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:47:38 -0700 >> From: Fred Jensen >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >> Message-ID: <56317ABA.5070605 at foothill.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> How do I set the AGC on my loose coupler receiver? :-) I'm old, but >> I've never used the RF Gain on my K3. >> >> 73, >> >> Fred K6DGW >> - Northern California Contest Club >> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 >> - www.cqp.org >> >>> On 10/28/2015 6:19 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: >>> Don is absolutely correct. >>> >>> As many may know, I do assist hams with issues associated with many >>> different products here and elsewhere. The biggest issue I encounter is >>> the ham that says " well somebody told me to.... blah blah blah blah >>> .....and it would work best". In many cases, nothing could be further >>> from the truth. I find today that many hams are more prone to have and >>> use old school thinking and methods trying to be used with today's >>> radios. I find this applies to many facets of ham radio equipment as >>> being used today. >>> >>> As I've told many, if you expect the radio to operate like a Kenwood, >>> ICOM or Yaesu, it darn well better say Kenwood, ICOM or Yaesu on the >>> front panel. Otherwise stated, learn to use the Elecraft radio >>> correctly in order to attain optimum performance, for indeed they do not >>> operate like the others. >>> >>> 73 >>> Bob, K4TAX >>> K3S s/n 10163 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 21 >> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:08:45 -0500 >> From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >> Message-ID: <56317FAD.8000504 at blomand.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> Back in 1923, in order to receive a signal, the following adjustments >> must be made and possibly repeated to get the optimum performance (not a >> simple matter and easily upset): The input coil (inside box) is adjusted >> to resonate at the desired receiving frequency using the two tap >> selectors on the front panel of the box.The inductance of the secondary >> coil is set by its tapping switch and tuned by a capacitor to suit the >> frequency being received. Moving the secondary coil in and out of the >> primary (in the box) allows coupling to adjusted for maximum >> performance. With coil pushed in, the sensitivity will be high and the >> selectivity will be poor. The reverse occurs with the coil pulled out. >> >> 73 >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> On 10/28/2015 8:47 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> >> How do I set the AGC on my loose coupler receiver? >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 22 >> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:15:05 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Martin Storli - LA8OKA >> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >> Message-ID: >> <1717313154.7097159.1446106505116.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> When it comes to RF architecture, the IC-7300 is nothing like the KX3, it's actually a step ahead, because it's not a Direct Conversion, but a RF Direct sampling?. >> ICOM didn't follow Elecraft on this one. They rather follow FlexRadio, the russian Expert Electronics and the italian Elad amongst other. So many are going Down this road now, it's hard to tell who's first. >> The KX3 wasn't the first Direct Conversion?SDR receiver with knobs either, there where several smaler manufactures just prior to the KX3.But KX3 might claim to be the first commersial success, but that is more to?due to?the strong?Elecraft brand and the KX1 legassy than due to innovation.And, it's a good transceiver, so it deserves the success regardless of the RF architecture employed. >> Best regards >> Martin Storli LA8OKAOslo, Norway ?ARCTICPEAK's Radio pages! http://www.arcticpeak.com/radio.htm >> Fra: Joe W2KJ >> Til: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Sendt: Onsdag, 28. oktober 2015 23.48 >> Emne: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >> >> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >> >> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >> >> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size,? I believe. >> >> The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. >> >> Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. >> >> ??? ??? ??? 73, Joe W2KJ >> ??? ??? ??? KX3/KXPA100 >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to arcticpeak at yahoo.no >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 23 >> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:20:28 -0000 >> From: "Ian White" >> To: >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? >> Message-ID: <006601d11222$b0e8a640$12b9f2c0$@co.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Apologies once again - this message sent yesterday to G3RXQ was meant to >> be copied to the whole group. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> >> You are right, Stewart. >> >> Please cancel that whole paragraph about the KIO3B. Apologies to the >> group for spreading my confusion worldwide. >> >> >> 73 from Ian GM3SEK >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 24 >> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:34:57 +0100 >> From: Heinz B?rtschi >> To: Martin Storli - LA8OKA >> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >> Message-ID: <5D13C9F8-65A7-4747-ADF3-E4A4F9C4D75C at bluewin.ch> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >>> Am 29.10.2015 um 09:15 schrieb Martin Storli - LA8OKA : >>> >>> ... "The KX3 wasn't the first Direct Conversion SDR receiver with knobs either, there where several smaler manufactures just prior to the KX3." >> >> Yes, maybe the ADAT-200 designed by Hans HB9CBU was the very first such transceiver. Enjoy! >> http://www.adat.ch/index_e.html >> >> 73, Heinz HB9BCB >> >> >> >> >> >>> Fra: Joe W2KJ >>> Til: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Sendt: Onsdag, 28. oktober 2015 23.48 >>> Emne: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >>> >>> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >>> >>> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >>> >>> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. >>> >>> The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. >>> >>> Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. >>> >>> 73, Joe W2KJ >>> KX3/KXPA100 >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to arcticpeak at yahoo.no >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to heinz.baertschi at bluewin.ch >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 25 >> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:51:53 -0400 >> From: Peter Pauly >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply >> for the K3(S)? >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and seem >> to be well regarded. I've come up with these two choices, feel free to give >> more suggestions of other models. I've seen talk on this reflector of >> supplying more than 13.8V to the K3S so that's why I'm looking at the 15V >> model. >> >> 12V Model: Meanwell NES-350-12 >> Voltage range 10-13.5V >> 29A >> >> >> 15V Model: Meanwell NES-350-15 >> Voltage range 13.5-18V >> 23.2A >> >> >> The 15 volt model would seem to be the obvious choice, except that it >> doesn't supply the recommended 25 amps. The K3S manual says 22 amps typical >> though. >> >> Is there another model Meanwell I should be looking at that has better >> protection or filtering? >> >> I've already got an Astron switching power supply, the Meanwell would be a >> second alternative. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 26 >> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:07:46 -0400 >> From: Gordon LaPoint >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working >> Message-ID: <56320C12.7040306 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> All, >> I found the problem. My serial cable had a broken wire on pin >> 2. I had used the serial cable on my KPA-500 and it was working. Must >> have broken when I removed it from the system and used it to test the >> KRC2. Thanks for all the pointers and help! Murphy is so busy at my QTH, >> hope he leaves soon! >> >> Thank you, >> Gordon - N1MGO >> >>> On 10/25/2015 08:54 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> John, >>> >>> Actually a standard serial cable can be connected to the KRC2 if >>> jumpers W11 thru W20 are removed, no need to cut off wires in the cable. >>> That information *is* in the plugging configuration charts. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>>> On 10/25/2015 8:43 AM, John K9UWA wrote: >>>> >>>> A simple statement in the KRC2 manual could have been added by Elecraft >>>> stating. To Program your KRC2 to your K3 radio get a standard DB9 serial >>>> cable. and CUT OFF all wires EXCEPT 2, 3 and 5. Mark the cable Program >>>> KCR2 ONLY and save the cable for future use. I wonder how many >>>> additional KRC2 boxes Elecraft could have sold over the last 4 years? >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to gordon.lapoint at gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Gordon - N1MGO >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 27 >> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:26:47 -0500 >> From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power >> supply for the K3(S)? >> Message-ID: <56321087.7030205 at blomand.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> An Astron SS-30M is a much better supply and will supply the required >> current. It has excellent regulation and IS NOT a noise generator. >> Plus it has a volt meter and amp meter on the front panel. >> >> 73 >> Bob, K4TAX >> K3S s/n 10163 >> >>> On 10/29/2015 6:51 AM, Peter Pauly wrote: >>> I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and ........ >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 28 >> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 06:05:46 -0700 (MST) >> From: Mike K2MK >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power >> supply for the K3(S)? >> Message-ID: <1446123946333-7609688.post at n2.nabble.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Hi Peter, >> >> I bought the Astron RS-35M for my $4000 K3 in 2008. I've never turned it off >> and I've never even given it a second thought. No fan, no RF noise, just >> reliable DC. >> >> 73, >> Mike K2MK >> >> >> >> Peter Pauly wrote >>> I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and seem >>> to be well regarded. I've come up with these two choices, feel free to >>> give >>> more suggestions of other models. I've seen talk on this reflector of >>> supplying more than 13.8V to the K3S so that's why I'm looking at the 15V >>> model. >>> >>> 12V Model: Meanwell NES-350-12 >>> Voltage range 10-13.5V >>> 29A >>> >>> >>> 15V Model: Meanwell NES-350-15 >>> Voltage range 13.5-18V >>> 23.2A >>> >>> >>> The 15 volt model would seem to be the obvious choice, except that it >>> doesn't supply the recommended 25 amps. The K3S manual says 22 amps >>> typical >>> though. >>> >>> Is there another model Meanwell I should be looking at that has better >>> protection or filtering? >>> >>> I've already got an Astron switching power supply, the Meanwell would be a >>> second alternative. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Which-of-these-would-make-the-best-power-supply-for-the-K3-S-tp7609685p7609688.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 29 >> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:09:41 -0600 >> From: frank >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage >> Message-ID: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203 at k5dkz.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> >> This subject keeps cropping up. Is this a serious issue ? >> >> I have heard that IMD improves by 10db with a one volt increase in supply voltage. Is this really the case or just a measurement error? 10db is a large difference. One volt is a small variation. >> >> What is the minimum acceptable IMD? How linear does the amp need to be? If 36db is better than 26db is 100db even better or just overkill? >> >> Are other solid state amplifier products similarly effected? >> >> What is the IMD performance of the K3S at 10 watts over a supply voltage variation from 11 volts to 14.7 volts? I ask because I believe those ten watts are generated by Dmos devices as well. Do these devices only misbehave with varying supply voltage at higher (100w) power levels and lower supply voltages? >> >> Should I wait to purchase a K3S until this issue is resolved? (Assuming this is a valid issue) >> >> Back in the good old days we used to solve problems. Today we don't have problems, just issues. >> >> -- >> Frank - K5DKZ >> KX3 - 7550 >> PX3 - 1143 >> KXPA100 - 1566 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 30 >> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:41:25 -0400 >> From: Don Wilhelm >> To: frank , elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage >> Message-ID: <56323015.6050807 at embarqmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> Frank, >> >> I think the "issue" is one of some hams wanting to make what is good >> already into something better. >> If you look closely you should discover that this is a situation common >> to *all* 100 watt class amplifiers that are supposed to run on a nominal >> '12 volt' supply. That voltage level is chosen because it is common for >> vehicle batteries, so most transceivers are designed around that voltage >> - the K3S is just one of those. >> >> Using an increased voltage power supply will drastically reduce the >> transmit IMD, and that is true for all those 100 watt class amplifiers. >> Bottom line is that I don't think it will be "fixed" in the K3S - I >> don't think it can be fixed in any of the 100 watt class solid state >> amplifiers. >> >> So the thing to do is to run the power supply voltage up to near 15 >> volts (but not above), and do not operate with "all knobs to the right". >> Many hams seen to want to squeeze all the power output that they can >> from a transceiver, so you will put a cleaner signal on the air if you >> set the power to 100 watts rather than trying to squeeze that last 20 >> extra watts out of an amplifier. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 10/29/2015 11:09 AM, frank wrote: >>> This subject keeps cropping up. Is this a serious issue ? >>> >>> I have heard that IMD improves by 10db with a one volt increase in supply voltage. Is this really the case or just a measurement error? 10db is a large difference. One volt is a small variation. >>> >>> What is the minimum acceptable IMD? How linear does the amp need to be? If 36db is better than 26db is 100db even better or just overkill? >>> >>> Are other solid state amplifier products similarly effected? >>> >>> What is the IMD performance of the K3S at 10 watts over a supply voltage variation from 11 volts to 14.7 volts? I ask because I believe those ten watts are generated by Dmos devices as well. Do these devices only misbehave with varying supply voltage at higher (100w) power levels and lower supply voltages? >>> >>> Should I wait to purchase a K3S until this issue is resolved? (Assuming this is a valid issue) >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> You must be a subscriber to post. >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 138, Issue 40 >> ***************************************** > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From W7MPZ at aol.com Thu Oct 29 11:48:00 2015 From: W7MPZ at aol.com (W7MPZ at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 11:48:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mail list Message-ID: <1634a5.61bee144.436399b0@aol.com> New to this system. How do I unsubscribe to the mail list? Thanks. From mhvnmn at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 12:26:39 2015 From: mhvnmn at gmail.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:26:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mail list In-Reply-To: <1634a5.61bee144.436399b0@aol.com> References: <1634a5.61bee144.436399b0@aol.com> Message-ID: Click on the Home link attached to every post. > On Oct 29, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Richard Fredrickson via Elecraft wrote: > > New to this system. How do I unsubscribe to the mail list? Thanks. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mhvnmn at gmail.com From ae4pb at carolinaheli.com Thu Oct 29 12:33:39 2015 From: ae4pb at carolinaheli.com (ae4pb at carolinaheli.com) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:33:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <56323015.6050807@embarqmail.com> References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <56323015.6050807@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <025301d11267$933f84c0$b9be8e40$@carolinaheli.com> Does that imply we should all adjust our power supplies to output +15VDC? Will that damage my 2M Rig? I recently purchased the powerwerx SS-30DV from Elecraft when I purchased my K3S kit. Thanks Jerry Moore CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324 http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB An Amateur is - Considerate, Loyal, Progressive, Friendly, Balanced, and Patriotic. From jbollit at outlook.com Thu Oct 29 13:22:24 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:22:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I worked as an engineer and in marketing for a major power supply company. I did many design reviews and cost analysis on various MW power supplies. The designs are straight forward and their derating guidelines were not as robust as the ones I used. One area that they "just met spec" was for conducted EMI. You need a unit that meets level B, with VDE level B most stringent. The products I designed had a minimum of 6 dB margin on conducted EMI. Robust EMI filtering costs money. Ripple current in the electrolytic caps of MW is also pushed hard. In some cases, they use 85 versus 105 degree Centigrade capacitors, again for lower cost. In your application, I suspect you will not be running at 50 deg C ambient, so that in itself will provide derating to the power supply. Artesyn makes a standard product line of power supplies sold through their distribution channel. They are good, very good, and easily meet all their published specs with margin to spare (especially EMI). If you used one in your shack, it will outlive you. I am surprised that people that own one of the best amateur radio transceivers in the world, would put a weak link in the chain of the overall system. But then again, I am out at 4 sigma on the curve and companies typically do not design for my "needs" ;>) Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Peter Pauly Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:52 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and seem to be well regarded. I've come up with these two choices, feel free to give more suggestions of other models. I've seen talk on this reflector of supplying more than 13.8V to the K3S so that's why I'm looking at the 15V model. 12V Model: Meanwell NES-350-12 Voltage range 10-13.5V 29A 15V Model: Meanwell NES-350-15 Voltage range 13.5-18V 23.2A The 15 volt model would seem to be the obvious choice, except that it doesn't supply the recommended 25 amps. The K3S manual says 22 amps typical though. Is there another model Meanwell I should be looking at that has better protection or filtering? I've already got an Astron switching power supply, the Meanwell would be a second alternative. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From jbollit at outlook.com Thu Oct 29 13:28:00 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:28:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <1446123946333-7609688.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1446123946333-7609688.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Astron is another power supply that runs on the "edge". People that use them at repeater sites on mountains derate them 50% plus so they do not have to run to the mountain and replace power supplies. A RS-35M in a controlled environment will do the job for a K3. I added a "hard" crowbar circuit to my Astron. The overvoltage scheme they use is not as robost as a hard crowbar. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike K2MK Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:06 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? Hi Peter, I bought the Astron RS-35M for my $4000 K3 in 2008. I've never turned it off and I've never even given it a second thought. No fan, no RF noise, just reliable DC. 73, Mike K2MK Peter Pauly wrote > I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and > seem to be well regarded. I've come up with these two choices, feel > free to give more suggestions of other models. I've seen talk on this > reflector of supplying more than 13.8V to the K3S so that's why I'm > looking at the 15V model. > > 12V Model: Meanwell NES-350-12 > Voltage range 10-13.5V > 29A > > > 15V Model: Meanwell NES-350-15 > Voltage range 13.5-18V > 23.2A > > > The 15 volt model would seem to be the obvious choice, except that it > doesn't supply the recommended 25 amps. The K3S manual says 22 amps > typical though. > > Is there another model Meanwell I should be looking at that has better > protection or filtering? > > I've already got an Astron switching power supply, the Meanwell would > be a second alternative. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Which-of-these-would-make-the-best-powe r-supply-for-the-K3-S-tp7609685p7609688.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Oct 29 12:30:35 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:30:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mail list In-Reply-To: <1634a5.61bee144.436399b0@aol.com> References: <1634a5.61bee144.436399b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <563249AB.9000702@embarqmail.com> Go to the "Home:" link that can be found at the bottom of every post. Put in your password and edit your subscription as you desire. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/29/2015 11:48 AM, Richard Fredrickson via Elecraft wrote: > New to this system. How do I unsubscribe to the mail list? Thanks. > From jbollit at outlook.com Thu Oct 29 13:37:36 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:37:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <56323015.6050807@embarqmail.com> References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <56323015.6050807@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: How about 80 watts instead. Won't make a noticeable difference on the receive end. Even better, get rid of all the Yaesu and Icom "Clackers" with their VERY poor CW performance. You can have the best class A amplifier in the world, but garbage in will always equal garbage out. I am ashamed at our "leaders" at the ARRL for not petitioning the FCC for better specs. The technology is there, they all use it in their business radios that have a better spec. Oh, I forgot, follow the money and take the advertising monies from these clackers Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 7:41 AM To: frank; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage Frank, I think the "issue" is one of some hams wanting to make what is good already into something better. If you look closely you should discover that this is a situation common to *all* 100 watt class amplifiers that are supposed to run on a nominal '12 volt' supply. That voltage level is chosen because it is common for vehicle batteries, so most transceivers are designed around that voltage - the K3S is just one of those. Using an increased voltage power supply will drastically reduce the transmit IMD, and that is true for all those 100 watt class amplifiers. Bottom line is that I don't think it will be "fixed" in the K3S - I don't think it can be fixed in any of the 100 watt class solid state amplifiers. So the thing to do is to run the power supply voltage up to near 15 volts (but not above), and do not operate with "all knobs to the right". Many hams seen to want to squeeze all the power output that they can from a transceiver, so you will put a cleaner signal on the air if you set the power to 100 watts rather than trying to squeeze that last 20 extra watts out of an amplifier. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/29/2015 11:09 AM, frank wrote: > This subject keeps cropping up. Is this a serious issue ? > > I have heard that IMD improves by 10db with a one volt increase in supply voltage. Is this really the case or just a measurement error? 10db is a large difference. One volt is a small variation. > > What is the minimum acceptable IMD? How linear does the amp need to be? If 36db is better than 26db is 100db even better or just overkill? > > Are other solid state amplifier products similarly effected? > > What is the IMD performance of the K3S at 10 watts over a supply voltage variation from 11 volts to 14.7 volts? I ask because I believe those ten watts are generated by Dmos devices as well. Do these devices only misbehave with varying supply voltage at higher (100w) power levels and lower supply voltages? > > Should I wait to purchase a K3S until this issue is resolved? (Assuming this is a valid issue) > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Oct 29 13:40:37 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:40:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <56325A15.9080707@blomand.net> My suggestion and test is to measure the voltage between the Astron power supply GRD terminal and the GRD terminal on the radio. Any value over 0.5 volts, when in CW mode, key down at 100 watts is a situation that should be investigated and improved. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 On 10/29/2015 10:32 AM, gerald finn wrote: > For powering my Elecraft K3S and P3, I am using the Astron RS-35 power supply feeding a West Mountain DC-to-Go PWR gate PG40S and Rigrunner 4007U with a 79 Amp hour battery. > > Living on an island, we have many spikes and losses of power during the year. I figure that if I'm spending a sizable amount for my rig, I should have a good power supply. > From bbaines at mac.com Thu Oct 29 13:46:24 2015 From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:46:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D961CEE-8303-4EC8-9172-24886D3772D7@mac.com> Jim: Is there a particular Artesyn power supply model that you?d recommend? In taking a quick review of their website, they offer a 12 VDC and 15 VDC output in the LCM300 series which provides 300 watts (20 amps at 15 VDC) and a LCM600 series offering 600 watts (40 amps at 15 VDC). I presume the 15 VDC output would more closely meet the needs of a 100W transceiver, but given that most people think that going above 14.5 VDC is not recommended, are these power supply user adjustable to reduce voltage output to 14.5 VDC? What do you advise? Thanks, Barry, WD4ASW Westborough, MA > On Oct 29, 2015, at 1:22 PM, jim wrote: > > I worked as an engineer and in marketing for a major power supply company. > > I did many design reviews and cost analysis on various MW power supplies. > > The designs are straight forward and their derating guidelines were not as > robust as the ones I used. > > One area that they "just met spec" was for conducted EMI. You need a unit > that meets level B, with VDE level B most stringent. The products I > designed had a minimum of 6 dB margin on conducted EMI. Robust EMI > filtering costs money. > > Ripple current in the electrolytic caps of MW is also pushed hard. In some > cases, they use 85 versus 105 degree Centigrade capacitors, again for lower > cost. > > In your application, I suspect you will not be running at 50 deg C ambient, > so that in itself will provide derating to the power supply. > > Artesyn makes a standard product line of power supplies sold through their > distribution channel. They are good, very good, and easily meet all their > published specs with margin to spare (especially EMI). If you used one in > your shack, it will outlive you. > > I am surprised that people that own one of the best amateur radio > transceivers in the world, would put a weak link in the chain of the overall > system. But then again, I am out at 4 sigma on the curve and companies > typically do not design for my "needs" ;>) > > Jim > W6AIM > > > > . > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Peter > Pauly > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:52 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the > K3(S)? > > I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and seem > to be well regarded. I've come up with these two choices, feel free to give > more suggestions of other models. I've seen talk on this reflector of > supplying more than 13.8V to the K3S so that's why I'm looking at the 15V > model. > > 12V Model: Meanwell NES-350-12 > Voltage range 10-13.5V > 29A > > > 15V Model: Meanwell NES-350-15 > Voltage range 13.5-18V > 23.2A > > > The 15 volt model would seem to be the obvious choice, except that it > doesn't supply the recommended 25 amps. The K3S manual says 22 amps typical > though. > > Is there another model Meanwell I should be looking at that has better > protection or filtering? > > I've already got an Astron switching power supply, the Meanwell would be a > second alternative. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bbaines at mac.com From edauer at law.du.edu Thu Oct 29 13:48:35 2015 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:48:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] RF and AF Gain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I believe there is another reason to reduce the RF gain with the AF above what it otherwise would be; and I don?t know that it has anything to do with AGC or the evolution of detectors over time. I have been doing it for over a half century and I still do it with my KX3 on CW. In casual rag chews where the S/N ratio is robust, backing off the RF gain is another way to get rid of externally-created noise relative to audio output. It just makes for more comfortable copy. (I almost never do it with the K3, since that rig is used almost exclusively for DX and contest work, where comfort isn?t an asset.) Maybe it?s a purely subjective phenomenon, but it works for me. Ted, KN1CBR From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Oct 29 13:57:00 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:57:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <56323015.6050807@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: And 120W over 100W gives you a whopping 0.8dB increase in power. Will anyone notice? I see the "easy to measure" effect in many fields. Anything that's easy to measure becomes the only thing to optimize. In program language compilers,the speed of the optimized program is easy to measure so it is more important than robustness, which is hard to measure. In cars, horsepower is easy to measure, so it becomes more important than handling. In cameras, its pixels over lens quality. In radios, it's power over IMD. etc. 73 Bill AE6JV On 10/29/15 at 7:41 AM, w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: >So the thing to do is to run the power supply voltage up to >near 15 volts (but not above), and do not operate with "all >knobs to the right". >Many hams seen to want to squeeze all the power output that >they can from a transceiver, so you will put a cleaner signal >on the air if you set the power to 100 watts rather than trying >to squeeze that last 20 extra watts out of an amplifier. -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray From w2blc at nycap.rr.com Thu Oct 29 14:00:09 2015 From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:00:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <3D961CEE-8303-4EC8-9172-24886D3772D7@mac.com> References: <3D961CEE-8303-4EC8-9172-24886D3772D7@mac.com> Message-ID: <56325EA9.1030608@nycap.rr.com> I have an Astron 35 amp - been on 24/7 since the middle 80s. Also have an Astron 20 amp as a backup. Due to the age of the Astron, I decided it was time to replace it for the K3/P3 only. I bought the SS30-DV. It is small and quiet (physically quiet and RF quiet) and meets my needs nicely. The remainder of the station runs on the old reliable Astron 35. I did consider another big Astron, but opted for the little switcher due to its size and weight. It was a downsizing decision, as the time may come soon that only the K3/P3 will be kept (along with a 2-meter rig). Also, I figure if Elecraft is selling it, it should be just fine. Bill W2BLC K-Line From frank at k5dkz.com Thu Oct 29 15:06:50 2015 From: frank at k5dkz.com (frank) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:06:50 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:43:24 -0700 Wayne Burdick wrote: > The K3 and K3S, like our other radios, are very popular for Field Day and other applications where a battery might be used. So we provide two ways for you to monitor the supply voltage: > > 1. The CONFIG:BAT MIN menu entry. This sets the voltage at which you will periodically see a BAT LOW warning on the display. > > 2. Voltage display: Tap DISP and rotate VFO B until you see XX.X VDC. You can also display current drain and PA temperature this way. > Verifying the obvious is sometimes helpful. Of course the battery voltage is going to drop when you are pulling enough current to power a 100 watt transceiver. I was hoping for a more pro-active suggestion to the IMD problem. My old Drake, tube type, mobile did not have an IMD problem even when run off less than 12 volts. it had a switching supply delivering 700 volts at 200ma to the finals. Today we use switching supplies to deliver 12 volts to finals that are not capable of delivering a clean signal at 12 volts. This is state of the art? Just because everyone else is building radios that produce dirty signals, does that justify doing the same? Also, you did not answer my questions. Maybe I should ask them one at a time. I > > On Oct 29, 2015, at 8:09 AM, frank wrote: > > > This subject keeps cropping up. Is this a serious issue ? > > > > I have heard that IMD improves by 10db with a one volt increase in supply voltage. Is this really the case or just a measurement error? 10db is a large difference. One volt is a small variation. > > > > What is the minimum acceptable IMD? How linear does the amp need to be? If 36db is better than 26db is 100db even better or just overkill? > > > > Are other solid state amplifier products similarly effected? > > > > What is the IMD performance of the K3S at 10 watts over a supply voltage variation from 11 volts to 14.7 volts? I ask because I believe those ten watts are generated by Dmos devices as well. Do these devices only misbehave with varying supply voltage at higher (100w) power levels and lower supply voltages? > > > > Should I wait to purchase a K3S until this issue is resolved? (Assuming this is a valid issue) > > > > Back in the good old days we used to solve problems. Today we don't have problems, just issues. > > > > -- > > Frank - K5DKZ > > KX3 - 7550 > > PX3 - 1143 > > KXPA100 - 1566 > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > -- Frank - K5DKZ KX3 - 7550 PX3 - 1143 KXPA100 - 1566 From ron at cobi.biz Thu Oct 29 14:17:07 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 11:17:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: References: <1446123946333-7609688.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <001c01d11276$060bc2d0$12234870$@biz> People might run them on the edge, but IMX with commercial repeaters Astrons are conservatively rated. Long ago I came to the conclusion was that at least some people thought a rating such as 20A meant it could deliver 20 amps continuously. Astrons, as their data sheet shows, are rated ICAS (or nowadays, just ICS). ICAS was an acronym for Intermittent Commercial and Amateur service. ICS just drops "Amateur". ICS means the supply delivers full output for a maximum of 5 minutes, followed by a rest period (no current demand) for at least the same period of time. Repeaters tend to operate for hours at much higher duty cycles, even though no one user is hogging it. And in home stations, long winded RTTY/PSK or other high duty cycle applications mean the supply should be operated no more than 5 min on followed by at least 5 min off if the supply is operated at its maximum output. Astron specifications show a continuous commercial service (CCS) rating that the supply can deliver constantly. The 20A for example can deliver 16 amps continuously while the 35 can deliver 25 amps continuously. I maintained a number of commercial repeaters in the S.F. Bay area running off of Astron 20 amp supplies at 15 or 16 amps that had been in service well over 10 years without a failure. Some were in outdoor lockers that reached at least 100F in the summertime. Back in the 1990's I picked up an Astron 20A for my Ham station use which has powered my K2/100 and K3/100 rigs just fine, even though the K3/100 is pushing it over 22 A on some bands at 100W output. It maintains 13.8 volts at that output. But as a brass pounder and occasional SSB operator, I'm also running low duty cycles and I frequently am running far below the full 100 watts. Considering the huge number of Astrons in use, I'm not surprised there are reports of some failures. One thing we've yet to build is a piece of equipment that won't fail, especially when trying to be price-competitive. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:28 AM To: 'Mike K2MK'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? Astron is another power supply that runs on the "edge". People that use them at repeater sites on mountains derate them 50% plus so they do not have to run to the mountain and replace power supplies. A RS-35M in a controlled environment will do the job for a K3. I added a "hard" crowbar circuit to my Astron. The overvoltage scheme they use is not as robost as a hard crowbar. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike K2MK Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:06 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? Hi Peter, I bought the Astron RS-35M for my $4000 K3 in 2008. I've never turned it off and I've never even given it a second thought. No fan, no RF noise, just reliable DC. 73, Mike K2MK Peter Pauly wrote > I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and > seem to be well regarded. I've come up with these two choices, feel > free to give more suggestions of other models. I've seen talk on this > reflector of supplying more than 13.8V to the K3S so that's why I'm > looking at the 15V model. > > 12V Model: Meanwell NES-350-12 > Voltage range 10-13.5V > 29A > > > 15V Model: Meanwell NES-350-15 > Voltage range 13.5-18V > 23.2A > > > The 15 volt model would seem to be the obvious choice, except that it > doesn't supply the recommended 25 amps. The K3S manual says 22 amps > typical though. > > Is there another model Meanwell I should be looking at that has better > protection or filtering? > > I've already got an Astron switching power supply, the Meanwell would > be a second alternative. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Which-of-these-would-make-the-best-powe r-supply-for-the-K3-S-tp7609685p7609688.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From w4ish at w4ish.net Thu Oct 29 14:53:28 2015 From: w4ish at w4ish.net (William Evans) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:53:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Crystal filters for sale Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded, but the filters have been sold. Bill W4ish From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Oct 29 14:58:03 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 11:58:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,10/29/2015 12:06 PM, frank wrote: > Also, you did not answer my questions. Maybe I should ask them one at a time. I thought Wayne answered them quite well, but I'll try to rephrase his answers in terms that are easier to understand. 1) Contemporary ham rigs are designed to operate from automotive DC voltages as a matter of convenience. 2) The output transistors used in these rigs produce less distortion at higher supply voltages. 3) Most rigs are optimized for 13.8 - 14 VDC, and are tested at that level by ARRL. 4) Most commercial power supplies marketed to hams are regulated to 13.8 - 14.5 VDC, and that voltage is internally adjustable. 5) Most rigs will work at lower DC power supply voltages. 6) When operated at lower DC power supply voltage, their distortion will increase. 7) When operated above their design output power, distortion will increase. 8) Doing both 6 and 7 will increase distortion even more. 9) Distortion in the K3 and K3S output stage is specified for full power output at 13.8 - 14 VDC, and distortion is greatly reduced when run at lower power levels. My own comments: Distortion causes the most QRM when running high power. Many of the best power amps reach full power with drive power in the range of 50-60 W -- the KPA500 needs about 28W, my Titans (I have three) need between 40-60W, depending on condition of the tubes and the operating frequency. An ACOM 1010 needs between 50 and 70 watts, again depending on the operating frequency. > This is state of the art? How much do you want to pay for "state of the art?" How about the infamous pentagon $800 hammer? According to ARRL measurements, the K3 produces the cleanest CW signal of any current rig. See my summary of their published data in the following link k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf See my measurements of my K3 and several other rigs in this link http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf 73, Jim K9YC From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 15:05:49 2015 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:05:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RF and AF Gain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0FC8547B-8883-4C49-9F89-6F2B4419272C@gmail.com> Funny Ted, I am starting to use the RF gain more now in the last few months then ever before? Maybe just tired to listening to the noise floor, hi hi. Frank KG9H > On Oct 29, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > I believe there is another reason to reduce the RF gain with the AF above > what it otherwise would be; and I don?t know that it has anything to do > with AGC or the evolution of detectors over time. I have been doing it > for over a half century and I still do it with my KX3 on CW. In casual > rag chews where the S/N ratio is robust, backing off the RF gain is > another way to get rid of externally-created noise relative to audio > output. It just makes for more comfortable copy. (I almost never do it > with the K3, since that rig is used almost exclusively for DX and contest > work, where comfort isn?t an asset.) Maybe it?s a purely subjective > phenomenon, but it works for me. > > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kg9hfrank at gmail.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 15:08:33 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:08:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > According to ARRL measurements, the K3 produces the cleanest CW signal of > any current rig. See my summary of their published data in the following > link > > k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf > > See my measurements of my K3 and several other rigs in this link > > http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf > > 73, Jim K9YC > Any chance you will be able to revise those two documents by adding K3S or K3/syn3a mod, without removing the existing K3 curves in there? Think that might put the synthesizer mod in a very appropriate setting. 73, Guy K2AV From lists at subich.com Thu Oct 29 15:52:17 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:52:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <563278F1.7040008@subich.com> CW is just one mode and is the easiest to "get right" as far as the PA is concerned. CW bandwidth is determined primarily by keying shape and phase noise in the synthesizer (or D to A clock jitter). The K3/K3S is far from the cleanest rig when it comes to SSB on any of the audio based digital modes. All of the rigs using 48V finals have IMD products many dB less than the K3/K3S - particularly when the K3/K3S is being run from a partially discharged battery. However, even rigs with 48V finals are notably more dirty than many of the rigs that used tube type finals (particularly the 6146) of 40 years ago. Amateur rigs need predistortion - particularly those with "12V" finals - to get SSB (and data mode) IMD below -50 dBc (-44 dB PEP) as a starting point or "12V" radios should be limited by their makers to 60-80W where the IMD is much lower than at 100-120W levels. For ARRL to have silently watched transmit IMD degrade by nearly 20 dB in the last 40 years and not raised the issue is unconscionable. Lest anyone think I'm picking on Elecraft ... the IMD issues are the same in many solid state amplifiers, they are rated for saturated conditions which drive up IMD. Most are significantly less dirty when operated at 60-75% of rated PEP output unless the designer has built in a significant amount of negative feedback. When a 1200W PEP amplifier has only 8 150W transistors or or a 600 W amplifier has only two 300 W transistors that's a good sign the amplifier can not possibly be clean at its rated output. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Jim Brown > wrote: > >> According to ARRL measurements, the K3 produces the cleanest CW signal of >> any current rig. See my summary of their published data in the following >> link >> >> k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf >> >> See my measurements of my K3 and several other rigs in this link >> >> http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> From jbollit at outlook.com Thu Oct 29 15:58:02 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:58:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <001c01d11276$060bc2d0$12234870$@biz> References: <1446123946333-7609688.post@n2.nabble.com> <001c01d11276$060bc2d0$12234870$@biz> Message-ID: Good link on power supplies and repeater builds. http://www.repeater-builder.com/astron/astron-repair/astron-repair.html Jim W6AIM . -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 11:17 AM To: 'Mike K2MK'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? People might run them on the edge, but IMX with commercial repeaters Astrons are conservatively rated. Long ago I came to the conclusion was that at least some people thought a rating such as 20A meant it could deliver 20 amps continuously. Astrons, as their data sheet shows, are rated ICAS (or nowadays, just ICS). ICAS was an acronym for Intermittent Commercial and Amateur service. ICS just drops "Amateur". ICS means the supply delivers full output for a maximum of 5 minutes, followed by a rest period (no current demand) for at least the same period of time. Repeaters tend to operate for hours at much higher duty cycles, even though no one user is hogging it. And in home stations, long winded RTTY/PSK or other high duty cycle applications mean the supply should be operated no more than 5 min on followed by at least 5 min off if the supply is operated at its maximum output. Astron specifications show a continuous commercial service (CCS) rating that the supply can deliver constantly. The 20A for example can deliver 16 amps continuously while the 35 can deliver 25 amps continuously. I maintained a number of commercial repeaters in the S.F. Bay area running off of Astron 20 amp supplies at 15 or 16 amps that had been in service well over 10 years without a failure. Some were in outdoor lockers that reached at least 100F in the summertime. Back in the 1990's I picked up an Astron 20A for my Ham station use which has powered my K2/100 and K3/100 rigs just fine, even though the K3/100 is pushing it over 22 A on some bands at 100W output. It maintains 13.8 volts at that output. But as a brass pounder and occasional SSB operator, I'm also running low duty cycles and I frequently am running far below the full 100 watts. Considering the huge number of Astrons in use, I'm not surprised there are reports of some failures. One thing we've yet to build is a piece of equipment that won't fail, especially when trying to be price-competitive. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of jim Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:28 AM To: 'Mike K2MK'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? Astron is another power supply that runs on the "edge". People that use them at repeater sites on mountains derate them 50% plus so they do not have to run to the mountain and replace power supplies. A RS-35M in a controlled environment will do the job for a K3. I added a "hard" crowbar circuit to my Astron. The overvoltage scheme they use is not as robost as a hard crowbar. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike K2MK Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:06 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? Hi Peter, I bought the Astron RS-35M for my $4000 K3 in 2008. I've never turned it off and I've never even given it a second thought. No fan, no RF noise, just reliable DC. 73, Mike K2MK Peter Pauly wrote > I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and > seem to be well regarded. I've come up with these two choices, feel > free to give more suggestions of other models. I've seen talk on this > reflector of supplying more than 13.8V to the K3S so that's why I'm > looking at the 15V model. > > 12V Model: Meanwell NES-350-12 > Voltage range 10-13.5V > 29A > > > 15V Model: Meanwell NES-350-15 > Voltage range 13.5-18V > 23.2A > > > The 15 volt model would seem to be the obvious choice, except that it > doesn't supply the recommended 25 amps. The K3S manual says 22 amps > typical though. > > Is there another model Meanwell I should be looking at that has better > protection or filtering? > > I've already got an Astron switching power supply, the Meanwell would > be a second alternative. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Which-of-these-would-make-the-best-powe r-supply-for-the-K3-S-tp7609685p7609688.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From jbollit at outlook.com Thu Oct 29 16:04:09 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (jim) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:04:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Jim, The marine divisions of Kenwood, et.al. already have low cost, low voltage, PA solutions with better IMD specs, primarily due to channel spacing for the marine band. Jim W6AIM -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 11:58 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage On Thu,10/29/2015 12:06 PM, frank wrote: > Also, you did not answer my questions. Maybe I should ask them one at a time. I thought Wayne answered them quite well, but I'll try to rephrase his answers in terms that are easier to understand. 1) Contemporary ham rigs are designed to operate from automotive DC voltages as a matter of convenience. 2) The output transistors used in these rigs produce less distortion at higher supply voltages. 3) Most rigs are optimized for 13.8 - 14 VDC, and are tested at that level by ARRL. 4) Most commercial power supplies marketed to hams are regulated to 13.8 - 14.5 VDC, and that voltage is internally adjustable. 5) Most rigs will work at lower DC power supply voltages. 6) When operated at lower DC power supply voltage, their distortion will increase. 7) When operated above their design output power, distortion will increase. 8) Doing both 6 and 7 will increase distortion even more. 9) Distortion in the K3 and K3S output stage is specified for full power output at 13.8 - 14 VDC, and distortion is greatly reduced when run at lower power levels. My own comments: Distortion causes the most QRM when running high power. Many of the best power amps reach full power with drive power in the range of 50-60 W -- the KPA500 needs about 28W, my Titans (I have three) need between 40-60W, depending on condition of the tubes and the operating frequency. An ACOM 1010 needs between 50 and 70 watts, again depending on the operating frequency. > This is state of the art? How much do you want to pay for "state of the art?" How about the infamous pentagon $800 hammer? According to ARRL measurements, the K3 produces the cleanest CW signal of any current rig. See my summary of their published data in the following link k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf See my measurements of my K3 and several other rigs in this link http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From k2av.guy at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 16:16:02 2015 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:16:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <563278F1.7040008@subich.com> References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> <563278F1.7040008@subich.com> Message-ID: My internal K3 readings of 14.3V idle and 14.0V at the 35w PEP out needed to drive my Alpha 8410 to 1200 or 1300 watts out, probably is pretty good IMD. The idle current is ~1.3 amps. Tune at 35 watts into 1:1 SWR is 8.7 amps. That's .04 ohms in the cabling. I don't have anything to directly measure that. At that point, the tuning of the Alpha would has more to do with the over-the-air IMD than the K3. Wouldn't predistortion need to be external to the K3, dynamic based on sampling the output of the amp, and converted into some DSP friendly format fed to the K3 CPU? 73, Guy K2AV On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > CW is just one mode and is the easiest to "get right" as far as the PA > is concerned. CW bandwidth is determined primarily by keying shape and > phase noise in the synthesizer (or D to A clock jitter). > > The K3/K3S is far from the cleanest rig when it comes to SSB on any of > the audio based digital modes. All of the rigs using 48V finals have > IMD products many dB less than the K3/K3S - particularly when the > K3/K3S is being run from a partially discharged battery. > > However, even rigs with 48V finals are notably more dirty than many of > the rigs that used tube type finals (particularly the 6146) of 40 years > ago. > > Amateur rigs need predistortion - particularly those with "12V" finals - > to get SSB (and data mode) IMD below -50 dBc (-44 dB PEP) as a starting > point or "12V" radios should be limited by their makers to 60-80W where > the IMD is much lower than at 100-120W levels. > > For ARRL to have silently watched transmit IMD degrade by nearly 20 dB > in the last 40 years and not raised the issue is unconscionable. > > Lest anyone think I'm picking on Elecraft ... the IMD issues are the > same in many solid state amplifiers, they are rated for saturated > conditions which drive up IMD. Most are significantly less dirty when > operated at 60-75% of rated PEP output unless the designer has built in > a significant amount of negative feedback. When a 1200W PEP amplifier > has only 8 150W transistors or or a 600 W amplifier has only two 300 W > transistors that's a good sign the amplifier can not possibly be clean > at its rated output. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Jim Brown >> wrote: >> >> According to ARRL measurements, the K3 produces the cleanest CW signal of >>> any current rig. See my summary of their published data in the following >>> link >>> >>> k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf >>> >>> See my measurements of my K3 and several other rigs in this link >>> >>> http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Oct 29 16:39:23 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:39:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Jim, This appears to *not* be true, at least for one radio lauded by those concerned about TX IMD. Earlier this year there was a long forum thread on Eham.net lamenting the "fact" that 12-V ham rigs were not as clean as 12-V marine rigs. One radio in particular, the Icom M802, was touted by forum participants as having far better IMD specs than any 12-V ham transceiver. We downloaded the manual for we this radio and found that Icom was using the same devices and essentially the same amplifier circuit that we were. Still, we gave them the benefit of the doubt and purchased a new Icom M802 (from Amazon, $1813) to test in our own lab. We very carefully measured transmit IMD at 100 watts on several channels, covering the full range of the HF marine band. Here is an example plot from about 12.28 MHz: http://www.elecraft.com/Icom%20M802%20100-W%20IMD.jpeg This plot shows the two 3rd-order products being down by about 27 and 30 dBc, respectively. A plot for the Elecraft K3 posted earlier on this same forum showed these tones down 33 and 36 dBc--about a 6-dB improvement over this particular marine radio. A bit on our test setup: We used a very clean 14.0 V DC power supply with short cables, a high-performance analog 2-tone generator, and a very hefty 50-ohm nonreactive dummy load. We set the top of the spectral plot at 100 W and equalized the amplitude of the tones at -6 dBc, consistent with the usual ARRL method. The tests were done by our senior RF engineer, and I'm sure he was not overdriving the spectrum analyzer :) Chances are that virtually all marine HF SSB radios being made today are using the same 100-W MOSFET PAs that we and other ham manufacturers do. As far as we can tell, there is no magic in the marine radios that is making them better. On the other hand, their marketing department may be better funded. If you have another marine radio in mind that you think is using different/better circuitry, please let me know so we can repeat this exercise if necessary. 73, Wayne N6KR On Oct 29, 2015, at 1:04 PM, jim wrote: > Jim, > > The marine divisions of Kenwood, et.al. already have low cost, low voltage, > PA solutions with better IMD specs, primarily due to channel spacing for the > marine band. > > Jim > > W6AIM From phystad at mac.com Thu Oct 29 16:41:14 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:41:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> > On Oct 29, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Robert wrote: > > Yes, life is too short to power a radio from a cheap power supply. Remember, the life and performance of your radio depends on it. > > Bob, K4TAX > > Ditto! There is nothing better than a rock solid Astron power supply. I am yet another guy who leaves the Astron on 24x7 unless we leave for vacation of more than a day. My Astrons (I have two) are Linear because in the rare case that they need some repair I am more easily able to repair them (less complicated). So far, none of my Astrons have failed so that is a weak reason for a linear supply. Well, I do like them because they are heavy and are better at staying in one place. 73, phil, K7PEH > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:32 AM, gerald finn wrote: >> >> For powering my Elecraft K3S and P3, I am using the Astron RS-35 power supply feeding a West Mountain DC-to-Go PWR gate PG40S and Rigrunner 4007U with a 79 Amp hour battery. >> >> Living on an island, we have many spikes and losses of power during the year. I figure that if I'm spending a sizable amount for my rig, I should have a good power supply. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net >>> Sent: Oct 29, 2015 7:41 AM >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Elecraft Digest, Vol 138, Issue 40 >>> >>> Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to >>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> elecraft-owner at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. KX3 to Computer (Forest Shick) >>> 2. Re: KX3 to Computer (Martin Waller) >>> 3. K3 and Wsjt (Guy F2CT) >>> 4. Re: KX3 to Computer (Lyle Johnson) >>> 5. Re: KX3 to Computer (martin waller) >>> 6. Re: KX3 to Computer (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) >>> 7. Re: KX3 to Computer (martin waller) >>> 8. For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters (William Evans) >>> 9. Re: KX3 AGC HLD settings (Cady, Fred) >>> 10. K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) (William Evans) >>> 11. Re: For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters (Ian - Ham) >>> 12. Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Joe W2KJ) >>> 13. Re: Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) >>> 14. Re: K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) (William Evans) >>> 15. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (David Woolley) >>> 16. Re: K3 and Wsjt (Michael Eberle) >>> 17. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (Don Wilhelm) >>> 18. Re: Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Wayne Burdick) >>> 19. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) >>> 20. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (Fred Jensen) >>> 21. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) >>> 22. Re: Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Martin Storli - LA8OKA) >>> 23. Re: K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? (Ian White) >>> 24. Re: Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Heinz B?rtschi) >>> 25. Which of these would make the best power supply for the >>> K3(S)? (Peter Pauly) >>> 26. Re: KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working (Gordon LaPoint) >>> 27. Re: Which of these would make the best power supply for the >>> K3(S)? (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) >>> 28. Re: Which of these would make the best power supply for the >>> K3(S)? (Mike K2MK) >>> 29. IMD and supply voltage (frank) >>> 30. Re: IMD and supply voltage (Don Wilhelm) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 16:58:09 -0400 >>> From: "Forest Shick" >>> To: >>> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >>> Message-ID: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >>> SSTV. I have purchased the cable set. I connect the KX3 - Phones connector >>> to the computer audio in and I can receive RTTY & SSTV. If I connect the >>> computer audio out to the KX3 MIC, the radio goes into transmit. I would >>> guess this is because the connector on the cable is incorrect for the MIC >>> connector - too few contacts. >>> >>> >>> >>> So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? >>> >>> Thank You >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:21:09 +0000 (UTC) >>> From: Martin Waller >>> To: Forest Shick , >>> "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >>> Message-ID: >>> <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>> >>> Hi, >>> Good questions. I have been playing with RTTY myself this last few days and hit just that problem. I have been holding the microphone infront of the PC speaker in the interim as that worked as a temporary solution. >>> I would like to know the best way of doing this too. >>> MartinG0PJO >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, 28 October 2015, 20:58, Forest Shick wrote: >>> >>> >>> What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >>> SSTV. I have purchased the cable set. I connect the KX3 - Phones connector >>> to the computer audio in and I can receive RTTY & SSTV. If I connect the >>> computer audio out to the KX3 MIC, the radio goes into transmit. I would >>> guess this is because the connector on the cable is incorrect for the MIC >>> connector - too few contacts. >>> >>> >>> >>> So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? >>> >>> Thank You >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to martin at the-wallers.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:24:56 +0100 >>> From: Guy F2CT >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Wsjt >>> Message-ID: <7nnbgyeix10vxamp0v89fe3r.1446067496430 at email.android.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> Hello >>> I need some help in order to use my K3 + K144XV in JT modes. >>> What's the best adaptor between K3 and PC ? >>> Thanks a lot for help. >>> Kundest Regards >>> >>> Cordiales 73 >>> Guy F2CT >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 14:44:19 -0700 >>> From: Lyle Johnson >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >>> Message-ID: <563141B3.2060005 at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >>> >>> Disable the mic buttons (see menu items) and use VOX (or a serial port >>> command) to switch between Tx and Rx depending on your program's features. >>> >>> And be sure to set MIG GAIN to ZERO then gradually increase it to get >>> the 4-5 bars of ALC indication. If the MIC GAIN is too high for the >>> computer's audio level, the ALC bar graph and the transmit audio levels >>> may not respond properly (this is a bug on my short list to fix). >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Lyle KK7P >>> >>>> Good question...I have been holding the microphone infront of the PC speaker in the interim as that worked as a temporary solution. >>>> ... >>>> >>>> What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >>>> SSTV... >>>> >>>> So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:01:20 +0000 >>> From: martin waller >>> To: Lyle Johnson >>> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Hi Lyle >>> >>> Many thanks for the complete explanation. I'll give it a whirl. >>> >>> Martin >>> G0PJO >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 28 Oct 2015, at 21:44, Lyle Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>> Disable the mic buttons (see menu items) and use VOX (or a serial port command) to switch between Tx and Rx depending on your program's features. >>>> >>>> And be sure to set MIG GAIN to ZERO then gradually increase it to get the 4-5 bars of ALC indication. If the MIC GAIN is too high for the computer's audio level, the ALC bar graph and the transmit audio levels may not respond properly (this is a bug on my short list to fix). >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Lyle KK7P >>>> >>>>> Good question...I have been holding the microphone infront of the PC speaker in the interim as that worked as a temporary solution. >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >>>>> SSTV... >>>>> >>>>> So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to martin at the-wallers.net >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:16:51 -0700 >>> From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >>> Message-ID: <56314953.7030200 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>> >>> This looks useful: https://k4mtx.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/kx3-fldigi-setup/ >>> >>> It's specific to FLDIGI, but all of the soundcard modes require pretty >>> much the same wiring. >>> >>> Please note: if you hold the microphone to the PC speaker, the >>> microphone will pick up background noise and transmit that all over the >>> band. >>> >>> Generally speaking, you'll be operating in a part of the band that >>> discourages wideband noise. >>> >>> 73 -- Lynn >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:29:28 +0000 >>> From: martin waller >>> To: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" >>> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >>> Message-ID: <08251545-92E4-4083-B71B-88AE4F6BAB78 at the-wallers.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Thanks for the tip about holding the microphone! I've only played on 2m so far so I should not have upset too many people! >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 28 Oct 2015, at 22:16, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" wrote: >>>> >>>> This looks useful: https://k4mtx.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/kx3-fldigi-setup/ >>>> >>>> It's specific to FLDIGI, but all of the soundcard modes require pretty much the same wiring. >>>> >>>> Please note: if you hold the microphone to the PC speaker, the microphone will pick up background noise and transmit that all over the band. >>>> >>>> Generally speaking, you'll be operating in a part of the band that discourages wideband noise. >>>> >>>> 73 -- Lynn >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to martin at the-wallers.net >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:33:51 -0400 >>> From: William Evans >>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:35:47 +0000 >>> From: "Cady, Fred" >>> To: GRANT YOUNGMAN , Elecraft Reflector >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 AGC HLD settings >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>> >>> Hi Grant, >>> When I did my KX3 books I somehow figured out it is 0.00 to 2.00 seconds. That's what the K3 does and I assume the KX3 is the same. >>> Cheers, >>> Fred KE7X >>> >>> Author of: >>> ?The Elecraft K3S and P3 ? Getting the Most out from Your High Performance Station?. >>> "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" >>> "The Portable Elecraft KX3 ? Going for the Summit with the KX3 and KX3-2M/4M" >>> ?The Elecraft KX-Line ? The Complete Station? >>> ?The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 ? the K-Line Dream Station? >>> Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com >>> PDF files available from www.ke7x.com >>> ?The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters ? Assembling the KX3-Line Station? printed copy available at www.lulu.com and pdf from www.ke7x.com. >>> Plus a book dedicated to the K3S upgrades for the K3 and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book are works in progress. >>> Free guides at ke7x.com >>> KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide >>> http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide >>> KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation >>> http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Elecraft on behalf of GRANT YOUNGMAN >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:07 AM >>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AGC HLD settings >>> >>> The KX3 manual indicates that the AGC HLD setting is in ?seconds?. It doesn?t appear that ?001? in the three digit display is one second. >>> >>> I suspect its either ?(.)XXX? seconds or ?X(.)XX? seconds. I must have missed something in the book somewhere. A search on Nabble, update history, etc. didn?t go anywhere either. >>> >>> Can someone shed some light? >>> >>> Thanks ? Grant NQ5T >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 10 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:38:38 -0400 >>> From: William Evans >>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) >>> Message-ID: <86C7005C-7677-4373-B18F-BE58280F5A27 at w4ish.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> KFL3A-6K 8 pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS >>> KFL3A-400 8-Pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS >>> >>> both for $210 including shipping >>> >>> Bill >>> W4ish @ w4ish.net >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 11 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:39:56 -0400 >>> From: "Ian - Ham" >>> To: "'William Evans'" , >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters >>> Message-ID: <000701d111d1$924fb7b0$b6ef2710$@gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> Which ones? How much? >>> >>> Thanks and 73, >>> >>> --Ian >>> Ian Kahn, KM4IK >>> Roswell, GA EM74ua >>> km4ik.ian at gmail.com >>> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 >>> PODXS 070 #1962 >>> K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >>> William Evans >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:34 PM >>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >>> delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 12 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:48:42 -0400 >>> From: Joe W2KJ >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >>> >>> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >>> >>> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. >>> >>> The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. >>> >>> Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. >>> >>> 73, Joe W2KJ >>> KX3/KXPA100 >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 13 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:59:08 -0700 >>> From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >>> Message-ID: <5631533C.6050901 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>> >>> It has a Touch Screen! Sweet!! >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 10/28/2015 3:48 PM, Joe W2KJ wrote: >>>> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >>>> >>>> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >>>> >>>> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. >>>> >>>> The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. >>>> >>>> Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. >>>> >>>> 73, Joe W2KJ >>>> KX3/KXPA100 >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 14 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 19:00:37 -0400 >>> From: William Evans >>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) >>> Message-ID: <524458ED-6117-4798-A4B7-82FD91BA7836 at w4ish.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Gentlemen, >>> the 6K filter is spoken for (pending payment) Thanks >>> >>> Bill >>> W4ISH >>>> On Oct 28, 2015, at 6:38 PM, William Evans wrote: >>>> >>>> KFL3A-6K 8 pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS >>>> KFL3A-400 8-Pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS >>>> >>>> both for $210 including shipping >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> W4ish @ w4ish.net >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to w4ish at w4ish.net >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 15 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:33:18 +0000 >>> From: David Woolley >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >>> Message-ID: <56315B3E.5050404 at david-woolley.me.uk> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>> >>> Although I hadn't noticed it before, I would say that design in the K2 >>> is more about stability and DC offsets than anything to do with pick up >>> of the BFO. The balanced demodulator and last two crystals deal with that. >>> >>> The old, basically AM sets, used high level, unbalanced detectors. That >>> required more total gain from aerial to detector, although that might be >>> split between RF and two IF frequencies. >>> >>> Balanced detectors can work with much lower level signals, which is >>> particularly helpful for a single conversion design, like the K2. >>> However, the AGC detector doesn't want to be balanced, and with a low >>> level signal, would have a large DC offset, that might exceed the wanted >>> rectified AGC, therefore additional gain is needed before the AGC >>> detector. If this were done at the IF frequency, the gain from input to >>> output at one frequency would be much greater, and proportionately less >>> stray coupling would be needed to make the whole system oscillate. By >>> shifting the frequency, which can be done at low signal levels, the >>> design reduces the gain at any one frequency. >>> >>> The risk with doing all at one frequency is not pickup of the BFO at the >>> input of the IF amplifier, but pickup of its own output. >>> >>> If there were leakage of the BFO it would get amplified just as much as >>> if additional gain was tapped off at the same point and amplified at the >>> original frequency. The design seems to rely on the balance of the >>> detector and the two pole crystal filter, to stop the BFO getting into >>> the AGC path, and not the difference in frequency. >>> >>> -- >>> David Woolley >>> Owner K2 06123 >>>> On 28/10/15 03:15, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> The most successful solutions (before SDR technology took over) were to >>>> split the I.F. with a second mixer that was far removed from the main I.F. >>>> the second I.F. was used to generate the AGC voltage and, since it was on a >>>> wholly different frequency from the main I.F. the BFO didn't trigger the >>>> AGC. In fact, the Elecraft K2 uses that technique quite successfully. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 16 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:52:54 -0500 >>> From: Michael Eberle >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Wsjt >>> Message-ID: <56315FD5.6070804 at mchsi.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 17 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:19:53 -0400 >>> From: Don Wilhelm >>> To: David Woolley , >>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >>> Message-ID: <56316629.5000603 at embarqmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>> >>> David, >>> >>> I do not understand your logic. >>> Let's divorce the AGC from the product detector for a moment. The K2 >>> takes the input to the AGC circuit from the IF and converts it to a >>> frequency that is removed from the IF signal. The AGC circuit produces >>> a DC voltage that is used to control the gain of the IF amplifier - period. >>> That has nothing to do with balanced or unbalanced - the output is a a >>> DC voltage which is applied to the IF amplifier to control its gain. >>> >>> That means that the only signals applied to the product detector are the >>> incoming signal (already controlled by the AGC) and the BFO. >>> >>> Yes, receivers of old did not use product detectors (mixers) but used a >>> diode detector, and the BFO signal was injected along with the IF signal >>> to produce the audio output. The BFO injection level was fixed, and >>> therefore the gain of the IF input to the detector had to be matched to >>> the BFO level for proper demodulation to occur. The result is that one >>> had to ride the RF Gain to make the levels of the IF signal and the BFO >>> work in harmony with each other. In addition, the AGC was developed >>> after the detector, so in those old receivers, it was best to turn off >>> the AGC. >>> >>> That is not true for receivers using a product detector. BFO pickup is >>> not a problem with a product detector as long as the output of the mixer >>> (product detector) is restricted to a bandpass that contains only the >>> audio frequencies (the input frequencies - BFO and IF - are rejected >>> leaving only the audio content). >>> >>> Those old operating habits (ride the RF Gain and set the AF Gain at max) >>> are still being used by some operators, but it is not necessary for >>> modern receivers which use product detectors - the K2 is included in >>> that list. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>>> On 10/28/2015 7:33 PM, David Woolley wrote: >>>> Although I hadn't noticed it before, I would say that design in the K2 >>>> is more about stability and DC offsets than anything to do with pick >>>> up of the BFO. The balanced demodulator and last two crystals deal >>>> with that. >>>> >>>> The old, basically AM sets, used high level, unbalanced detectors. >>>> That required more total gain from aerial to detector, although that >>>> might be split between RF and two IF frequencies. >>>> >>>> Balanced detectors can work with much lower level signals, which is >>>> particularly helpful for a single conversion design, like the K2. >>>> However, the AGC detector doesn't want to be balanced, and with a low >>>> level signal, would have a large DC offset, that might exceed the >>>> wanted rectified AGC, therefore additional gain is needed before the >>>> AGC detector. If this were done at the IF frequency, the gain from >>>> input to output at one frequency would be much greater, and >>>> proportionately less stray coupling would be needed to make the whole >>>> system oscillate. By shifting the frequency, which can be done at low >>>> signal levels, the design reduces the gain at any one frequency. >>>> >>>> The risk with doing all at one frequency is not pickup of the BFO at >>>> the input of the IF amplifier, but pickup of its own output. >>>> >>>> If there were leakage of the BFO it would get amplified just as much >>>> as if additional gain was tapped off at the same point and amplified >>>> at the original frequency. The design seems to rely on the balance of >>>> the detector and the two pole crystal filter, to stop the BFO getting >>>> into the AGC path, and not the difference in frequency. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 18 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 17:44:50 -0700 >>> From: Wayne Burdick >>> To: Joe W2KJ >>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >>> Message-ID: <9C1FC112-2AED-4F41-8CB3-AD09A928D26B at elecraft.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Joe W2KJ wrote: >>> >>>> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >>>> >>>> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >>>> >>>> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. >>> >>> Based on Icom's published specs, by volume it is 7.5 times larger than the KX3. >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 19 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:19:46 -0500 >>> From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >>> Message-ID: <56317432.3060800 at blomand.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>> >>> Don is absolutely correct. >>> >>> As many may know, I do assist hams with issues associated with many >>> different products here and elsewhere. The biggest issue I encounter is >>> the ham that says " well somebody told me to.... blah blah blah blah >>> ......and it would work best". In many cases, nothing could be further >>> from the truth. I find today that many hams are more prone to have and >>> use old school thinking and methods trying to be used with today's >>> radios. I find this applies to many facets of ham radio equipment as >>> being used today. >>> >>> As I've told many, if you expect the radio to operate like a Kenwood, >>> ICOM or Yaesu, it darn well better say Kenwood, ICOM or Yaesu on the >>> front panel. Otherwise stated, learn to use the Elecraft radio >>> correctly in order to attain optimum performance, for indeed they do not >>> operate like the others. >>> >>> 73 >>> Bob, K4TAX >>> K3S s/n 10163 >>> >>> >>>> On 10/28/2015 7:19 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>> Those old operating habits (ride the RF Gain and set the AF Gain at >>>> max) are still being used by some operators, but it is not necessary >>>> for modern receivers which use product detectors - the K2 is included >>>> in that list. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 20 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:47:38 -0700 >>> From: Fred Jensen >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >>> Message-ID: <56317ABA.5070605 at foothill.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>> >>> How do I set the AGC on my loose coupler receiver? :-) I'm old, but >>> I've never used the RF Gain on my K3. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Fred K6DGW >>> - Northern California Contest Club >>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 >>> - www.cqp.org >>> >>>> On 10/28/2015 6:19 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: >>>> Don is absolutely correct. >>>> >>>> As many may know, I do assist hams with issues associated with many >>>> different products here and elsewhere. The biggest issue I encounter is >>>> the ham that says " well somebody told me to.... blah blah blah blah >>>> .....and it would work best". In many cases, nothing could be further >>>> from the truth. I find today that many hams are more prone to have and >>>> use old school thinking and methods trying to be used with today's >>>> radios. I find this applies to many facets of ham radio equipment as >>>> being used today. >>>> >>>> As I've told many, if you expect the radio to operate like a Kenwood, >>>> ICOM or Yaesu, it darn well better say Kenwood, ICOM or Yaesu on the >>>> front panel. Otherwise stated, learn to use the Elecraft radio >>>> correctly in order to attain optimum performance, for indeed they do not >>>> operate like the others. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> Bob, K4TAX >>>> K3S s/n 10163 >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 21 >>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:08:45 -0500 >>> From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >>> Message-ID: <56317FAD.8000504 at blomand.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>> >>> Back in 1923, in order to receive a signal, the following adjustments >>> must be made and possibly repeated to get the optimum performance (not a >>> simple matter and easily upset): The input coil (inside box) is adjusted >>> to resonate at the desired receiving frequency using the two tap >>> selectors on the front panel of the box.The inductance of the secondary >>> coil is set by its tapping switch and tuned by a capacitor to suit the >>> frequency being received. Moving the secondary coil in and out of the >>> primary (in the box) allows coupling to adjusted for maximum >>> performance. With coil pushed in, the sensitivity will be high and the >>> selectivity will be poor. The reverse occurs with the coil pulled out. >>> >>> 73 >>> Bob, K4TAX >>> >>> On 10/28/2015 8:47 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >>> >>> How do I set the AGC on my loose coupler receiver? >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 22 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:15:05 +0000 (UTC) >>> From: Martin Storli - LA8OKA >>> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >>> Message-ID: >>> <1717313154.7097159.1446106505116.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>> >>> When it comes to RF architecture, the IC-7300 is nothing like the KX3, it's actually a step ahead, because it's not a Direct Conversion, but a RF Direct sampling?. >>> ICOM didn't follow Elecraft on this one. They rather follow FlexRadio, the russian Expert Electronics and the italian Elad amongst other. So many are going Down this road now, it's hard to tell who's first. >>> The KX3 wasn't the first Direct Conversion?SDR receiver with knobs either, there where several smaler manufactures just prior to the KX3.But KX3 might claim to be the first commersial success, but that is more to?due to?the strong?Elecraft brand and the KX1 legassy than due to innovation.And, it's a good transceiver, so it deserves the success regardless of the RF architecture employed. >>> Best regards >>> Martin Storli LA8OKAOslo, Norway ?ARCTICPEAK's Radio pages! http://www.arcticpeak.com/radio.htm >>> Fra: Joe W2KJ >>> Til: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Sendt: Onsdag, 28. oktober 2015 23.48 >>> Emne: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >>> >>> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >>> >>> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >>> >>> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size,? I believe. >>> >>> The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. >>> >>> Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. >>> >>> ??? ??? ??? 73, Joe W2KJ >>> ??? ??? ??? KX3/KXPA100 >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to arcticpeak at yahoo.no >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 23 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:20:28 -0000 >>> From: "Ian White" >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? >>> Message-ID: <006601d11222$b0e8a640$12b9f2c0$@co.uk> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> Apologies once again - this message sent yesterday to G3RXQ was meant to >>> be copied to the whole group. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> >>> You are right, Stewart. >>> >>> Please cancel that whole paragraph about the KIO3B. Apologies to the >>> group for spreading my confusion worldwide. >>> >>> >>> 73 from Ian GM3SEK >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 24 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:34:57 +0100 >>> From: Heinz B?rtschi >>> To: Martin Storli - LA8OKA >>> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >>> Message-ID: <5D13C9F8-65A7-4747-ADF3-E4A4F9C4D75C at bluewin.ch> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>>> Am 29.10.2015 um 09:15 schrieb Martin Storli - LA8OKA : >>>> >>>> ... "The KX3 wasn't the first Direct Conversion SDR receiver with knobs either, there where several smaler manufactures just prior to the KX3." >>> >>> Yes, maybe the ADAT-200 designed by Hans HB9CBU was the very first such transceiver. Enjoy! >>> http://www.adat.ch/index_e.html >>> >>> 73, Heinz HB9BCB >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Fra: Joe W2KJ >>>> Til: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Sendt: Onsdag, 28. oktober 2015 23.48 >>>> Emne: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >>>> >>>> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >>>> >>>> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >>>> >>>> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. >>>> >>>> The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. >>>> >>>> Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. >>>> >>>> 73, Joe W2KJ >>>> KX3/KXPA100 >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to arcticpeak at yahoo.no >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to heinz.baertschi at bluewin.ch >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 25 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:51:53 -0400 >>> From: Peter Pauly >>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply >>> for the K3(S)? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>> >>> I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and seem >>> to be well regarded. I've come up with these two choices, feel free to give >>> more suggestions of other models. I've seen talk on this reflector of >>> supplying more than 13.8V to the K3S so that's why I'm looking at the 15V >>> model. >>> >>> 12V Model: Meanwell NES-350-12 >>> Voltage range 10-13.5V >>> 29A >>> >>> >>> 15V Model: Meanwell NES-350-15 >>> Voltage range 13.5-18V >>> 23.2A >>> >>> >>> The 15 volt model would seem to be the obvious choice, except that it >>> doesn't supply the recommended 25 amps. The K3S manual says 22 amps typical >>> though. >>> >>> Is there another model Meanwell I should be looking at that has better >>> protection or filtering? >>> >>> I've already got an Astron switching power supply, the Meanwell would be a >>> second alternative. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 26 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:07:46 -0400 >>> From: Gordon LaPoint >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working >>> Message-ID: <56320C12.7040306 at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>> >>> All, >>> I found the problem. My serial cable had a broken wire on pin >>> 2. I had used the serial cable on my KPA-500 and it was working. Must >>> have broken when I removed it from the system and used it to test the >>> KRC2. Thanks for all the pointers and help! Murphy is so busy at my QTH, >>> hope he leaves soon! >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Gordon - N1MGO >>> >>>> On 10/25/2015 08:54 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>> John, >>>> >>>> Actually a standard serial cable can be connected to the KRC2 if >>>> jumpers W11 thru W20 are removed, no need to cut off wires in the cable. >>>> That information *is* in the plugging configuration charts. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>>> On 10/25/2015 8:43 AM, John K9UWA wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A simple statement in the KRC2 manual could have been added by Elecraft >>>>> stating. To Program your KRC2 to your K3 radio get a standard DB9 serial >>>>> cable. and CUT OFF all wires EXCEPT 2, 3 and 5. Mark the cable Program >>>>> KCR2 ONLY and save the cable for future use. I wonder how many >>>>> additional KRC2 boxes Elecraft could have sold over the last 4 years? >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to gordon.lapoint at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gordon - N1MGO >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 27 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:26:47 -0500 >>> From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power >>> supply for the K3(S)? >>> Message-ID: <56321087.7030205 at blomand.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>> >>> An Astron SS-30M is a much better supply and will supply the required >>> current. It has excellent regulation and IS NOT a noise generator. >>> Plus it has a volt meter and amp meter on the front panel. >>> >>> 73 >>> Bob, K4TAX >>> K3S s/n 10163 >>> >>>> On 10/29/2015 6:51 AM, Peter Pauly wrote: >>>> I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and ........ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 28 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 06:05:46 -0700 (MST) >>> From: Mike K2MK >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power >>> supply for the K3(S)? >>> Message-ID: <1446123946333-7609688.post at n2.nabble.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> I bought the Astron RS-35M for my $4000 K3 in 2008. I've never turned it off >>> and I've never even given it a second thought. No fan, no RF noise, just >>> reliable DC. >>> >>> 73, >>> Mike K2MK >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter Pauly wrote >>>> I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and seem >>>> to be well regarded. I've come up with these two choices, feel free to >>>> give >>>> more suggestions of other models. I've seen talk on this reflector of >>>> supplying more than 13.8V to the K3S so that's why I'm looking at the 15V >>>> model. >>>> >>>> 12V Model: Meanwell NES-350-12 >>>> Voltage range 10-13.5V >>>> 29A >>>> >>>> >>>> 15V Model: Meanwell NES-350-15 >>>> Voltage range 13.5-18V >>>> 23.2A >>>> >>>> >>>> The 15 volt model would seem to be the obvious choice, except that it >>>> doesn't supply the recommended 25 amps. The K3S manual says 22 amps >>>> typical >>>> though. >>>> >>>> Is there another model Meanwell I should be looking at that has better >>>> protection or filtering? >>>> >>>> I've already got an Astron switching power supply, the Meanwell would be a >>>> second alternative. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Which-of-these-would-make-the-best-power-supply-for-the-K3-S-tp7609685p7609688.html >>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 29 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:09:41 -0600 >>> From: frank >>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage >>> Message-ID: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203 at k5dkz.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>> >>> This subject keeps cropping up. Is this a serious issue ? >>> >>> I have heard that IMD improves by 10db with a one volt increase in supply voltage. Is this really the case or just a measurement error? 10db is a large difference. One volt is a small variation. >>> >>> What is the minimum acceptable IMD? How linear does the amp need to be? If 36db is better than 26db is 100db even better or just overkill? >>> >>> Are other solid state amplifier products similarly effected? >>> >>> What is the IMD performance of the K3S at 10 watts over a supply voltage variation from 11 volts to 14.7 volts? I ask because I believe those ten watts are generated by Dmos devices as well. Do these devices only misbehave with varying supply voltage at higher (100w) power levels and lower supply voltages? >>> >>> Should I wait to purchase a K3S until this issue is resolved? (Assuming this is a valid issue) >>> >>> Back in the good old days we used to solve problems. Today we don't have problems, just issues. >>> >>> -- >>> Frank - K5DKZ >>> KX3 - 7550 >>> PX3 - 1143 >>> KXPA100 - 1566 >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 30 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:41:25 -0400 >>> From: Don Wilhelm >>> To: frank , elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage >>> Message-ID: <56323015.6050807 at embarqmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>> >>> Frank, >>> >>> I think the "issue" is one of some hams wanting to make what is good >>> already into something better. >>> If you look closely you should discover that this is a situation common >>> to *all* 100 watt class amplifiers that are supposed to run on a nominal >>> '12 volt' supply. That voltage level is chosen because it is common for >>> vehicle batteries, so most transceivers are designed around that voltage >>> - the K3S is just one of those. >>> >>> Using an increased voltage power supply will drastically reduce the >>> transmit IMD, and that is true for all those 100 watt class amplifiers. >>> Bottom line is that I don't think it will be "fixed" in the K3S - I >>> don't think it can be fixed in any of the 100 watt class solid state >>> amplifiers. >>> >>> So the thing to do is to run the power supply voltage up to near 15 >>> volts (but not above), and do not operate with "all knobs to the right". >>> Many hams seen to want to squeeze all the power output that they can >>> from a transceiver, so you will put a cleaner signal on the air if you >>> set the power to 100 watts rather than trying to squeeze that last 20 >>> extra watts out of an amplifier. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>>> On 10/29/2015 11:09 AM, frank wrote: >>>> This subject keeps cropping up. Is this a serious issue ? >>>> >>>> I have heard that IMD improves by 10db with a one volt increase in supply voltage. Is this really the case or just a measurement error? 10db is a large difference. One volt is a small variation. >>>> >>>> What is the minimum acceptable IMD? How linear does the amp need to be? If 36db is better than 26db is 100db even better or just overkill? >>>> >>>> Are other solid state amplifier products similarly effected? >>>> >>>> What is the IMD performance of the K3S at 10 watts over a supply voltage variation from 11 volts to 14.7 volts? I ask because I believe those ten watts are generated by Dmos devices as well. Do these devices only misbehave with varying supply voltage at higher (100w) power levels and lower supply voltages? >>>> >>>> Should I wait to purchase a K3S until this issue is resolved? (Assuming this is a valid issue) >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> You must be a subscriber to post. >>> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 138, Issue 40 >>> ***************************************** >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Oct 29 16:48:21 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:48:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <56323015.6050807@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <56328615.9050202@blomand.net> I agree Jim. Many hams do not understand what IMD values mean and how it affects other signals on the bands. To wit, the "on frequency" signal is not affected, the IMD is not heard on frequency, so it is of little concern to the operator as they are only concerned about getting a big signal report. However, a transmitter and/or amplifier spewing garbage across the entire band affects all of us. We fight noise and QRM most aggressively with receivers. Some of this noise we must deal with is IMD from adjacent stations often some 5 kHz to 20 kHz or more. The ones I simply detest are the operators that say "my station sounds great" not realizing the amount of garbage he's spewing up and down the band for the rest of use to deal with. Signal reports heard being given today are largely "ego reports" and are of little to no value. When was the last time you heard a report indicating ones audio is distorted, or sounds like the transmitter has a bit of FM, or there's buck shot heard 10 kHz away, or there's a noise, humm or a buzz on your signal? Nope, we don't want to offend anyone and thus seemingly just roll out a meaningless, non constructive report. I suppose to many of us have forgotten what we learned; "if you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all". We talk about the level of electronic noise which is heard today as opposed to what we heard 20 or so years ago. Well, the IMD component is part of that electronic noise. Yes I would agree the technology is available and that company's should or could design radios to attain at least a 10 dB improvement in IMD numbers. Yes, the ARRL does represent a majority of the hams in the US area. I would certainly like to see them petition the FCC for improved specs in this regard. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/29/2015 12:37 PM, jim wrote: > How about 80 watts instead. > > Won't make a noticeable difference on the receive end. > > Even better, get rid of all the Yaesu and Icom "Clackers" with their VERY > poor CW performance. You can have the best class A amplifier in the world, > but garbage in will always equal garbage out. > > I am ashamed at our "leaders" at the ARRL for not petitioning the FCC for > better specs. The technology is there, they all use it in their business > radios that have a better spec. > > Oh, I forgot, follow the money and take the advertising monies from these > clackers > > Jim > W6AIM From w5jv at hotmail.com Thu Oct 29 17:07:07 2015 From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:07:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S) Message-ID: See item # 220648795286. I have two and they work well. The seller stands behind their 2 year warranty and usually just ships a new replacement. They hold up well. 36 Amp 12 Volt 13.8V DC Regulated Power Supply 12V Real USA MegaWatt? I have no vested interest in these other than as a satisfied customer. China is introducing similar units for half the price but I will stay with MegaWatt until I know better. Cheers, Doug W5JV From kc8hxo2 at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 17:07:45 2015 From: kc8hxo2 at gmail.com (Gregory Schippers) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:07:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I personally found the recent review in QST of the ANAN 100D using pre-distortion to lower TX distortion products to be the most exciting thing I have read in that rag in a LONG time. I DO hope they are setting a standard that others will strive for. It was so much better than any other rig they have ever tested, that is was literally "off the chart". Not sure I want a rig controlled ONLY with a computer interface, but this might sway my decision to at least try one! Greg in West Mitten, KC8HXO On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Thu,10/29/2015 12:06 PM, frank wrote: >> >> Also, you did not answer my questions. Maybe I should ask them one at a >> time. > > > I thought Wayne answered them quite well, but I'll try to rephrase his > answers in terms that are easier to understand. > > 1) Contemporary ham rigs are designed to operate from automotive DC voltages > as a matter of convenience. > > 2) The output transistors used in these rigs produce less distortion at > higher supply voltages. > > 3) Most rigs are optimized for 13.8 - 14 VDC, and are tested at that level > by ARRL. > > 4) Most commercial power supplies marketed to hams are regulated to 13.8 - > 14.5 VDC, and that voltage is internally adjustable. > > 5) Most rigs will work at lower DC power supply voltages. > > 6) When operated at lower DC power supply voltage, their distortion will > increase. > > 7) When operated above their design output power, distortion will increase. > > 8) Doing both 6 and 7 will increase distortion even more. > > 9) Distortion in the K3 and K3S output stage is specified for full power > output at 13.8 - 14 VDC, and distortion is greatly reduced when run at lower > power levels. > > My own comments: > > Distortion causes the most QRM when running high power. Many of the best > power amps reach full power with drive power in the range of 50-60 W -- the > KPA500 needs about 28W, my Titans (I have three) need between 40-60W, > depending on condition of the tubes and the operating frequency. An ACOM > 1010 needs between 50 and 70 watts, again depending on the operating > frequency. > >> This is state of the art? > > How much do you want to pay for "state of the art?" How about the infamous > pentagon $800 hammer? > > According to ARRL measurements, the K3 produces the cleanest CW signal of > any current rig. See my summary of their published data in the following > link > > k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf > > See my measurements of my K3 and several other rigs in this link > > http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc8hxo2 at gmail.com From lightdazzled at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 17:10:32 2015 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:10:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Interesting results about the Icom M-802. It is actually marketed as a "150 Watt" rig, so testing it at 100 Watts would be giving it even more "benefit of the doubt". It is also interesting to note that Icom has disabled speech compression in the M-802 by default. Apparently, when compression is enabled the transmitter doesn't meet FCC requirements for use on the marine bands. I suspect that what this means is that the M-802 is normally driven far below 150 Watts PEP or even 100 Watts PEP when used without voice compression. 73 Chip AE5KA On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Jim, > > This appears to *not* be true, at least for one radio lauded by those > concerned about TX IMD. > > Earlier this year there was a long forum thread on Eham.net lamenting the > "fact" that 12-V ham rigs were not as clean as 12-V marine rigs. One radio > in particular, the Icom M802, was touted by forum participants as having > far better IMD specs than any 12-V ham transceiver. > > We downloaded the manual for we this radio and found that Icom was using > the same devices and essentially the same amplifier circuit that we were. > Still, we gave them the benefit of the doubt and purchased a new Icom M802 > (from Amazon, $1813) to test in our own lab. > > We very carefully measured transmit IMD at 100 watts on several channels, > covering the full range of the HF marine band. Here is an example plot from > about 12.28 MHz: > > http://www.elecraft.com/Icom%20M802%20100-W%20IMD.jpeg > > This plot shows the two 3rd-order products being down by about 27 and 30 > dBc, respectively. A plot for the Elecraft K3 posted earlier on this same > forum showed these tones down 33 and 36 dBc--about a 6-dB improvement over > this particular marine radio. > > A bit on our test setup: We used a very clean 14.0 V DC power supply with > short cables, a high-performance analog 2-tone generator, and a very hefty > 50-ohm nonreactive dummy load. We set the top of the spectral plot at 100 W > and equalized the amplitude of the tones at -6 dBc, consistent with the > usual ARRL method. The tests were done by our senior RF engineer, and I'm > sure he was not overdriving the spectrum analyzer :) > > Chances are that virtually all marine HF SSB radios being made today are > using the same 100-W MOSFET PAs that we and other ham manufacturers do. As > far as we can tell, there is no magic in the marine radios that is making > them better. On the other hand, their marketing department may be better > funded. > > If you have another marine radio in mind that you think is using > different/better circuitry, please let me know so we can repeat this > exercise if necessary. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Oct 29, 2015, at 1:04 PM, jim wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > The marine divisions of Kenwood, et.al. already have low cost, low > voltage, > > PA solutions with better IMD specs, primarily due to channel spacing for > the > > marine band. > > > > Jim > > > > W6AIM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com > From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Oct 29 17:13:54 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:13:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> Message-ID: <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> I deleted all but the last post in this thread On 10/29/2015 1:41 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > There is nothing better than a rock solid Astron power supply. I am > yet another guy who leaves the Astron on 24x7 unless we leave for > vacation of more than a day. My Astrons (I have two) are Linear > because in the rare case that they need some repair I am more easily > able to repair them (less complicated). So far, none of my Astrons > have failed so that is a weak reason for a linear supply. My Astron experience hasn't been quite as stellar as many of the others on this list. In mountain-top repeater/remote service, we've had several that have never failed despite some fairly severe environmental conditions. We've also had a couple that have failed. I took one apart and was quite surprised at the construction of at least that one ... ground wires wrapped around a loose screw [no lugs], "floating" components, and the like. The intermittent problem turned out to be paint under a lug with a loose screw. > Well, I do > like them because they are heavy and are better at staying in one > place. I power my K3 with a Yaesu FP-1030A [linear and heavy] that came with an FT-847 I no longer have. It's set at 14.8 V and the meter needle might just as well be painted on the glass because it never ever moves. At 100 W, the voltage on the inside of the APP's on the back drops to 14.6 V. It's also good at securing the desk during gravity outages. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Oct 29 17:18:45 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:18:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> Message-ID: <56328D35.20003@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,10/29/2015 1:41 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > I am yet another guy who leaves the Astron on 24x7 unless we leave for vacation of more than a day. You might not do that if you lived in W6, where, thanks to Enron, the cost of power is MUCH higher than in most of the US. In Chicago, my worst case differential cost of power was about $0.13/kWh; here in CA, it's in the range of $0.36/kWh. In Chicago, an Astron ran 24/7. In CA, I use the quietest, most efficient switcher I can find, supplementing it with solar panels during the summer months. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Oct 29 17:25:09 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:25:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> Message-ID: <56328EB5.6070907@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Thu,10/29/2015 2:13 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > The intermittent problem turned out to be paint under a lug with a > loose screw. That seems to be a very common problem with Astrons -- the power system "green wire" (safety ground) is soldered to the mounting lug of a terminal strip, which is insulated from the chassis by paint. This is a MAJOR violation of NEC. To make matters worse, the V- terminal is soldered to the same lug. The combination makes the unit susceptible to RFI. In one of my Astrons, the two sections of the chassis are insulated from each other by paint, so the unit is essentially unshielded as well. I do NOT recommend bonding V- to the chassis, so when you're fixing the paint problems, cut that jumper. There's no good reason for it. 73, Jim K9YC From efortner at ctc.net Thu Oct 29 17:31:54 2015 From: efortner at ctc.net (efortner) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:31:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ETT TXF Message-ID: <003901d11291$3bee5cd0$b3cb1670$@net> I have just installed fldigi on the computer, configured it but do not have the CAT control working yet. Will work on that later. In the mean time when I go back to SSB on 20 meters and key the microphone I get a red TX light and ERR TXF on vfo B. TX arrow points to VFO A It transmits fine on CW. I have not changed anything in the Configuration of the K3s or LP bridge except to add FLdigi to the LP bridge. Anyone have a clue what to look for? Earl, K4KAY From bw_dw at fastmail.fm Thu Oct 29 17:33:00 2015 From: bw_dw at fastmail.fm (dw) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:33:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? Message-ID: <1446154380.2139301.424047433.3EB4CAE3@webmail.messagingengine.com> Not enough buttons on it for my CW-OP style. :-] I hate drilling into a menu just to change cw speed. Right now I'm in love with my new K3s!! Love that CWT display for zeroing in on a station! For a CW op, it doesn't get much sweeter. It will take me a little while to take full advantage of all of its features. Toys R us! :-] >>> Subject: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >>> >>> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >>> >>> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. >>> >>> The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. >>> >>> Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. >>> >>> 73, Joe W2KJ >>> KX3/KXPA100 -- Bw_dw at fastmail.net From fshick at rochester.rr.com Thu Oct 29 17:40:49 2015 From: fshick at rochester.rr.com (Forest Shick) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:40:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer In-Reply-To: <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006601d11292$7a6fd690$6f4f83b0$@rochester.rr.com> Thank you for all the information. I set the MIC BTN to OFF and adjusted the MIC GAIN for 4 bars (ALC) and turned on VOX. I am able to TX and RX SSTV, PSK32 and RTTY. (No contacts mostly receiving and transmitting into a dummy load until I have all the bugs worked out.) BUT I have to disconnect the LINE OUT from the computer to monitor the received signal and then plug it back in to transmit. Plugging in the LINE OUT connector to the computer mutes the computer speaker. Any ideas on this issue. Thank You, Forest WA2MZG -----Original Message----- From: Martin Waller [mailto:martin at the-wallers.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 5:21 PM To: Forest Shick ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer Hi, Good questions. I have been playing with RTTY myself this last few days and hit just that problem. I have been holding the microphone infront of the PC speaker in the interim as that worked as a temporary solution. I would like to know the best way of doing this too. MartinG0PJO On Wednesday, 28 October 2015, 20:58, Forest Shick wrote: What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & SSTV. I have purchased the cable set. I connect the KX3 - Phones connector to the computer audio in and I can receive RTTY & SSTV. If I connect the computer audio out to the KX3 MIC, the radio goes into transmit. I would guess this is because the connector on the cable is incorrect for the MIC connector - too few contacts. So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? Thank You ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to martin at the-wallers.net From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 17:38:11 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 07:38:11 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply forthe K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> Message-ID: <563291d4.0487440a.3042d.ffff996d@mx.google.com> Fred, Gravity outages? Seriously? Now that just cracked me up, put a smile on my face that hopefully will last all day. Thanks Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Fred Jensen" Sent: ?30/?10/?2015 7:15 AM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply forthe K3(S)? I deleted all but the last post in this thread On 10/29/2015 1:41 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > There is nothing better than a rock solid Astron power supply. I am > yet another guy who leaves the Astron on 24x7 unless we leave for > vacation of more than a day. My Astrons (I have two) are Linear > because in the rare case that they need some repair I am more easily > able to repair them (less complicated). So far, none of my Astrons > have failed so that is a weak reason for a linear supply. My Astron experience hasn't been quite as stellar as many of the others on this list. In mountain-top repeater/remote service, we've had several that have never failed despite some fairly severe environmental conditions. We've also had a couple that have failed. I took one apart and was quite surprised at the construction of at least that one ... ground wires wrapped around a loose screw [no lugs], "floating" components, and the like. The intermittent problem turned out to be paint under a lug with a loose screw. > Well, I do > like them because they are heavy and are better at staying in one > place. I power my K3 with a Yaesu FP-1030A [linear and heavy] that came with an FT-847 I no longer have. It's set at 14.8 V and the meter needle might just as well be painted on the glass because it never ever moves. At 100 W, the voltage on the inside of the APP's on the back drops to 14.6 V. It's also good at securing the desk during gravity outages. :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From lromero at ij.net Thu Oct 29 17:53:26 2015 From: lromero at ij.net (Luis V. Romero) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:53:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage Message-ID: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> Bob, et. Al: > >Signal reports heard being given today are largely "ego reports" and are >of little to no value. When was the last time you heard a report >indicating ones audio is distorted, or sounds like the transmitter has a >bit of FM, or there's buck shot heard 10 kHz away, or there's a noise, >humm or a buzz on your signal? Nope, we don't want to offend anyone >and thus seemingly just roll out a meaningless, non constructive >report. I suppose to many of us have forgotten what we learned; "if you >can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all". > Well, you obviously have not worked me :) Audio transmission quality is a subject close to my heart. While I understand all the technical issues regarding Intermodulation Distortion in 12v vs 48 volt and Tube vs Solid State amps, the proof is in the pudding: Just listen on the air! You will find folks running Class A rigs that sound horrible due to overprocessing and the belief that turning all the transmit audio knobs all the way to ELEVEN and seeing dancing meters make for great signals. Processor missadjustment is a worse culprit than IMD and, although IMD products do harm, processor knobs turned all the way to the right are the main culprit in the mess that has become our SSB subbands. There are some operators I can't understand at all. Worse, some of the "Audio VooDoo" ESSB types have so much bass that they create a phantom carrier, making their signal copyable in AM mode. On many of these, I even able to lock my WinRadio SDR to the pseudo carrier in Synchronous AM mode! In the last CQ WW SSB, I started to think that my signal was too clean and too bandwidth efficient versus my "competitors". That lovely, raspy, sharp, dense MP1000 sound (not to blame a particular radio, but I know how to make that one sound that way), while certainly "penetrating", is difficult to listen to, and, when overdone, makes it hard to understand. That means lost QSO's. Want to increase your score? Consider making better audio! Overdone processing by and large creates listener fatigue and intelligibility problems. A 10 second contest QSO, while not creating fatigue on its own, when joined by 300 of them, will. Wonder why you are tired after a short stint on 40m in WorldWide Friday night? This might be the answer! Transmitter IMD in this scenario is still there, however, exacerbating the problem. And some contesters will use their IMD "wideness" as a weapon of advantage in the competition. There is nothing we can do in our receivers to counteract this. We are at their mercy. Where is the Wouff Hong and the Rettysnich? We need you now more than ever! If we are going to campaign against anything, I would say campaign against over-processing. Once we get them to understand that issue, then we can concentrate on IMD. With some of the signals I hear on the air today, IMD is the least of our worry in a world where everybody is Fine Nine oh Five. Audio quality is a very personal thing, like your car choice, radio choice or your hair coloring chemical choices... I wish everyone had the common sense to make articulate, clear, yet punchy and "communications quality" audio by avoiding the temptation to eke out that last watt. When we all do that, then we can worry about Amplifier IMD. Processing issues heard on the air today simply make the discussion of final amplifier spectral purity moot. Respectfully Lu - W4LT K-Line From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Oct 29 17:55:39 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:55:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer In-Reply-To: <006601d11292$7a6fd690$6f4f83b0$@rochester.rr.com> References: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <006601d11292$7a6fd690$6f4f83b0$@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <563295DB.6080504@embarqmail.com> Forest, That sounds like a problem between you and your computer. If you are specific about the computer you are using, perhaps someone with the same setup can help you. I think the solution (if any) will be found in the soundcard mixer. It may or may not allow the selection of Line Out plus speaker. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/29/2015 5:40 PM, Forest Shick wrote: > Thank you for all the information. > I set the MIC BTN to OFF and adjusted the MIC GAIN for 4 bars (ALC) and turned on VOX. > > I am able to TX and RX SSTV, PSK32 and RTTY. (No contacts mostly receiving and transmitting into a dummy load until I have all the bugs worked out.) > > BUT I have to disconnect the LINE OUT from the computer to monitor the received signal and then plug it back in to transmit. > > Plugging in the LINE OUT connector to the computer mutes the computer speaker. > > From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 18:01:23 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 08:01:23 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> Message-ID: <56329744.44b8440a.fa0ed.ffff9d8a@mx.google.com> Walt, Spot on. It is frustrating to operate in a contest as much as I enjoy the challenge, the vast majority of strong signals are many times, disturbing to listen to. I make a point of complimenting good audio even in the heat of battle. Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Luis V. Romero" Sent: ?30/?10/?2015 7:54 AM To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage Bob, et. Al: > >Signal reports heard being given today are largely "ego reports" and are >of little to no value. When was the last time you heard a report >indicating ones audio is distorted, or sounds like the transmitter has a >bit of FM, or there's buck shot heard 10 kHz away, or there's a noise, >humm or a buzz on your signal? Nope, we don't want to offend anyone >and thus seemingly just roll out a meaningless, non constructive >report. I suppose to many of us have forgotten what we learned; "if you >can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all". > Well, you obviously have not worked me :) Audio transmission quality is a subject close to my heart. While I understand all the technical issues regarding Intermodulation Distortion in 12v vs 48 volt and Tube vs Solid State amps, the proof is in the pudding: Just listen on the air! You will find folks running Class A rigs that sound horrible due to overprocessing and the belief that turning all the transmit audio knobs all the way to ELEVEN and seeing dancing meters make for great signals. Processor missadjustment is a worse culprit than IMD and, although IMD products do harm, processor knobs turned all the way to the right are the main culprit in the mess that has become our SSB subbands. There are some operators I can't understand at all. Worse, some of the "Audio VooDoo" ESSB types have so much bass that they create a phantom carrier, making their signal copyable in AM mode. On many of these, I even able to lock my WinRadio SDR to the pseudo carrier in Synchronous AM mode! In the last CQ WW SSB, I started to think that my signal was too clean and too bandwidth efficient versus my "competitors". That lovely, raspy, sharp, dense MP1000 sound (not to blame a particular radio, but I know how to make that one sound that way), while certainly "penetrating", is difficult to listen to, and, when overdone, makes it hard to understand. That means lost QSO's. Want to increase your score? Consider making better audio! Overdone processing by and large creates listener fatigue and intelligibility problems. A 10 second contest QSO, while not creating fatigue on its own, when joined by 300 of them, will. Wonder why you are tired after a short stint on 40m in WorldWide Friday night? This might be the answer! Transmitter IMD in this scenario is still there, however, exacerbating the problem. And some contesters will use their IMD "wideness" as a weapon of advantage in the competition. There is nothing we can do in our receivers to counteract this. We are at their mercy. Where is the Wouff Hong and the Rettysnich? We need you now more than ever! If we are going to campaign against anything, I would say campaign against over-processing. Once we get them to understand that issue, then we can concentrate on IMD. With some of the signals I hear on the air today, IMD is the least of our worry in a world where everybody is Fine Nine oh Five. Audio quality is a very personal thing, like your car choice, radio choice or your hair coloring chemical choices... I wish everyone had the common sense to make articulate, clear, yet punchy and "communications quality" audio by avoiding the temptation to eke out that last watt. When we all do that, then we can worry about Amplifier IMD. Processing issues heard on the air today simply make the discussion of final amplifier spectral purity moot. Respectfully Lu - W4LT K-Line ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Oct 29 18:21:05 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:21:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <7341F004-41CD-4376-9BCD-A3E6210F6C10@elecraft.com> Yes, we made sure compression was off. We gave the unit every opportunity to exhibit magic properties. Alas, it did not. Wayne N6KR On Oct 29, 2015, at 2:10 PM, Chip Stratton wrote: > Interesting results about the Icom M-802. It is actually marketed as a "150 Watt" rig, so testing it at 100 Watts would be giving it even more "benefit of the doubt". > > It is also interesting to note that Icom has disabled speech compression in the M-802 by default. Apparently, when compression is enabled the transmitter doesn't meet FCC requirements for use on the marine bands. I suspect that what this means is that the M-802 is normally driven far below 150 Watts PEP or even 100 Watts PEP when used without voice compression. > > 73 > Chip > AE5KA From pincon at erols.com Thu Oct 29 18:33:05 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 18:33:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <56328D35.20003@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328D35.20003@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <006201d11299$cb3269b0$61973d10$@erols.com> We're quite lucky here in nawthrun Vuhginya to be on an electric coop where our juice runs between 11? to 12? per kw-hr. However, I personally find it distasteful to leave a linear power supply "idling" 24/7 not running anything. In reality, I'm just plain too cheap to waste the power to keep a big linear supply on all the time. My K3s and VHF tri-bander are powered by a 24C battery, charged through a 45 watt solar panel system. I do turn on the "aux" 4 Amp charger when I am actually transmitting to keep the DC up a bit. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 5:19 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? On Thu,10/29/2015 1:41 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > I am yet another guy who leaves the Astron on 24x7 unless we leave for vacation of more than a day. You might not do that if you lived in W6, where, thanks to Enron, the cost of power is MUCH higher than in most of the US. In Chicago, my worst case differential cost of power was about $0.13/kWh; here in CA, it's in the range of $0.36/kWh. In Chicago, an Astron ran 24/7. In CA, I use the quietest, most efficient switcher I can find, supplementing it with solar panels during the summer months. 73, Jim K9YC From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Oct 29 18:38:35 2015 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:38:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Greg, Even a rig with predistortion capability will run out of steam and exhibit greater IMD when running from low supply voltages. Predistortion attempts to compensate for the compression by increasing drive, but there must be enough headroom to allow the algorithm to work. Note that the rear panel of the ANAN 100D specifies "13.8V DC". I doubt that the ARRL did any testing at lower voltages. There are other situations where inadequate headroom might come into play, too, such as when driving a somewhat reactive load that causes the transmitter to hit a current limit. While this particular radio emphasizes predistortion, there's more than that involved in keeping the bands clean. Figure 3 of the QST review for the rig (page 47) shows transmit phase noise that is about 15 dB higher than a K3+KSYN3A or a K3S at a 100-kHz offset. This 15 dB of additional wideband noise would in many situations (such as FD or multi-transmitter stations) cancel out the value obtained with predistortion. 73, Wayne N6KR On Oct 29, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Gregory Schippers wrote: > I personally found the recent review in QST of the ANAN 100D using > pre-distortion to lower TX distortion products to be the most exciting > thing I have read in that rag in a LONG time. I DO hope they are > setting a standard that others will strive for. It was so much better > than any other rig they have ever tested, that is was literally "off > the chart". Not sure I want a rig controlled ONLY with a computer > interface, but this might sway my decision to at least try one! > > Greg in West Mitten, KC8HXO > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On Thu,10/29/2015 12:06 PM, frank wrote: >>> >>> Also, you did not answer my questions. Maybe I should ask them one at a >>> time. >> >> >> I thought Wayne answered them quite well, but I'll try to rephrase his >> answers in terms that are easier to understand. >> >> 1) Contemporary ham rigs are designed to operate from automotive DC voltages >> as a matter of convenience. >> >> 2) The output transistors used in these rigs produce less distortion at >> higher supply voltages. >> >> 3) Most rigs are optimized for 13.8 - 14 VDC, and are tested at that level >> by ARRL. >> >> 4) Most commercial power supplies marketed to hams are regulated to 13.8 - >> 14.5 VDC, and that voltage is internally adjustable. >> >> 5) Most rigs will work at lower DC power supply voltages. >> >> 6) When operated at lower DC power supply voltage, their distortion will >> increase. >> >> 7) When operated above their design output power, distortion will increase. >> >> 8) Doing both 6 and 7 will increase distortion even more. >> >> 9) Distortion in the K3 and K3S output stage is specified for full power >> output at 13.8 - 14 VDC, and distortion is greatly reduced when run at lower >> power levels. >> >> My own comments: >> >> Distortion causes the most QRM when running high power. Many of the best >> power amps reach full power with drive power in the range of 50-60 W -- the >> KPA500 needs about 28W, my Titans (I have three) need between 40-60W, >> depending on condition of the tubes and the operating frequency. An ACOM >> 1010 needs between 50 and 70 watts, again depending on the operating >> frequency. >> >>> This is state of the art? >> >> How much do you want to pay for "state of the art?" How about the infamous >> pentagon $800 hammer? >> >> According to ARRL measurements, the K3 produces the cleanest CW signal of >> any current rig. See my summary of their published data in the following >> link >> >> k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf >> >> See my measurements of my K3 and several other rigs in this link >> >> http://k9yc.com/P3_Spectrum_Measurements.pdf >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kc8hxo2 at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From frank at k5dkz.com Thu Oct 29 19:41:57 2015 From: frank at k5dkz.com (frank) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:41:57 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <7341F004-41CD-4376-9BCD-A3E6210F6C10@elecraft.com> References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7341F004-41CD-4376-9BCD-A3E6210F6C10@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <20151029174157.466ebc821e4e527a1cac822c@k5dkz.com> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:21:05 -0700 Wayne Burdick wrote: > Yes, we made sure compression was off. We gave the unit every opportunity to exhibit magic properties. Alas, it did not. > > Wayne > N6KR > Sounds like all solid state amps offering more than about 50 watts are having growing pains. It does not make much sense investing in something you might need to trash in a few years when someone decides to design a decent solid state amp or the chip designers create a magic power device. For my money its a K3S/10 and a homebrew 6146 run off a mobile power supply. From mhvnmn at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 18:49:39 2015 From: mhvnmn at gmail.com (Marc Veeneman) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 18:49:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <56328D35.20003@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328D35.20003@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I agree with Jim, especially during air conditioning season. Why pay the electric company to heat with an Astron while I'm paying to cool with a Carrier? Switchers win this battle. -- Marc W8SDG > On Oct 29, 2015, at 5:18 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Thu,10/29/2015 1:41 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> I am yet another guy who leaves the Astron on 24x7 unless we leave for vacation of more than a day. > > You might not do that if you lived in W6, where, thanks to Enron, the cost of power is MUCH higher than in most of the US. In Chicago, my worst case differential cost of power was about $0.13/kWh; here in CA, it's in the range of $0.36/kWh. In Chicago, an Astron ran 24/7. In CA, I use the quietest, most efficient switcher I can find, supplementing it with solar panels during the summer months. > > 73, Jim K9YC From turnbull at net1.ie Thu Oct 29 18:55:12 2015 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 22:55:12 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <20151029174157.466ebc821e4e527a1cac822c@k5dkz.com> References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com><20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com><56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com><7341F004-41CD-4376-9BCD-A3E6210F6C10@elecraft.com> <20151029174157.466ebc821e4e527a1cac822c@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <32BD3300523141A98DF951D6D26C6C01@DOUG1> Frank, Maybe when the devices come out Elecraft will bring out a new power amplifier module to replace the older module for both K3 and KX3. Meanwhile run the K3 at lower power and drive an external vacuum tube or solid state power amplifier. My experience of an Acom 2000A, a tube amp and an SPE Expert 2K-FA, a solid state amp is that: 1) Solid State amps are instant on and this is a big plus. 2) Solid State amps do not heat the shack to the same degree. 3) Solid State amps are much more particular as to load and if the SWR is at all high without being tuned out by matching the load then distortion is horrific. 4) The Acom 2000A is much more tolerant of operating for long periods flat out at 1500 Watts. Of course this is a comparison of these two amps. Please note that 1500 Watts is only used for contests which we are allowed to use for some contests in EI but not for regular operating where our power limit is 400W output. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of frank Sent: 29 October 2015 23:42 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:21:05 -0700 Wayne Burdick wrote: > Yes, we made sure compression was off. We gave the unit every opportunity to exhibit magic properties. Alas, it did not. > > Wayne > N6KR > Sounds like all solid state amps offering more than about 50 watts are having growing pains. It does not make much sense investing in something you might need to trash in a few years when someone decides to design a decent solid state amp or the chip designers create a magic power device. For my money its a K3S/10 and a homebrew 6146 run off a mobile power supply. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From w0eb at cox.net Thu Oct 29 19:25:20 2015 From: w0eb at cox.net (Jim Sheldon) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 23:25:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Semi-Auto Bug Key Dot Stabilizers (Update) Message-ID: For those of you on the list that frequently use bugs instead of keyers, recently I have had inquiries as to whether or not I still make the semi-automatic key "bug" Dot Stabilizers. The answer is yes, I still make them. I currently make "Dot Stabilizers" (a T.R. McElroy invention from the 1930's - see > for history & theory) for the Vibroplex, Speed-X and McElroy keys having the round pendulum and bugs with the flat pendulum, such as the Vibroplex Lightning Bug, Champion and WW2 military J-36 bugs (including the Lionel models and Alberto Frattini I1QOD's beautiful reproductions) which are based on the Lightning Bug design. I can customize them for other bugs such as the Japanese Hi Mound ("Coffin") bug, European made (metric sizes) bugs, etc. and I have the dimensions on hand and have made and tested stabilizers for most of them. Though Rare, there are "left handed" bugs out there and I can also make stabilizers for them too if you let me know they are true left handed bugs and not right handed ones you just learned to use left handed. They are made out of aluminum. They mount to the arm with a socket head set screw and the proper Allen wrench is included along with a printed set of instructions explaining installation and proper adjustment. Unlike McElroy's originals, mine do not require modification of the movable dot contact mount. They are made entirely by hand so there may be slight differences between each one (won't affect the operation at all).The prices are $25 post paid to U.S. customers by First Class mail, $35 US to Canadian customers and $45 US to most other parts of the world by "International First Class" mail. If you decide to order one or more, I will need the make/model of the bug(s) you want stabilizers for, whether they are "left" or "right" handed (the bug, not you) and be sure to include your mailing address as well. The preferred method of payment is Pay Pal and my PP address is: w0eb at cox.net . For Canadian and International customers I'll only accept payment by PayPal. I will take USPS money orders from U.S. domestic customers, made out to Aubrey J. Sheldon, sent to my QRZ mailing address for those of you who don't or prefer not to use PayPal. I'll be happy to answer any further questions you may have. Jim Sheldon - W0EB To save you the lookup, my QRZ Address is: Aubrey J. Sheldon, W0EB 2029 East Evanston Dr. Park City, KS 67219-1618 From josh at voodoolab.com Thu Oct 29 19:31:14 2015 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:31:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5632AC42.2090106@voodoolab.com> MegaWatt seems to be implying with "Real USA," posting a copy of their USA trademark registration, and warnings about Chinese copies, that this is a U.S. made product. However, no where do they actually state that their product is Made in USA. The style of construction looks like it is made in Asia, and appears to be without any safety certifications. It might be a perfectly fine power supply, but if they are trying to push a Chinese product as made in the USA, that makes me sad! 73, Josh W6XU On 10/29/2015 2:07 PM, Doug Hensley wrote: > > 36 Amp 12 Volt 13.8V DC Regulated Power Supply 12V Real USA MegaWatt? > > China is introducing similar units for half the price but I will stay with MegaWatt until I know better. > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Oct 29 19:49:45 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 18:49:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <56328EB5.6070907@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> <56328EB5.6070907@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5632B099.6040800@blomand.net> It is amazing how many times I've found this to exist and how many times that I've written about this on various reflectors. The power coat paint on the chassis makes for an excellent insulator. If you have an Astron power supply and you have not checked to see that third pin ground is electrically connected to the chassis, or you have not checked to see that he outer shell is connected to the bottom shell, both being insulated by paint..........shame on you. This applies to all Aston supplies, both linear and switching. Remove the cover, remove the ground terminal where the green wire is attached, scrape away the paint, place an internal tooth lock washer between the terminal and chassis and reinstall the screw and nut. As to the shell, using 100# sandpaper, sand away the paint on the inside for an area about the size of a dime on both pieces, being the shell and pan, where the screws attach same. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/29/2015 4:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Thu,10/29/2015 2:13 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> The intermittent problem turned out to be paint under a lug with a >> loose screw. > > That seems to be a very common problem with Astrons -- the power > system "green wire" (safety ground) is soldered to the mounting lug of > a terminal strip, which is insulated from the chassis by paint. This > is a MAJOR violation of NEC. To make matters worse, the V- terminal is > soldered to the same lug. The combination makes the unit susceptible > to RFI. > > In one of my Astrons, the two sections of the chassis are insulated > from each other by paint, so the unit is essentially unshielded as well. > > I do NOT recommend bonding V- to the chassis, so when you're fixing > the paint problems, cut that jumper. There's no good reason for it. > > 73, Jim K9YC From vk5zm at bistre.net Thu Oct 29 19:57:07 2015 From: vk5zm at bistre.net (Matthew Cook) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:27:07 +1030 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <20151029174157.466ebc821e4e527a1cac822c@k5dkz.com> References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7341F004-41CD-4376-9BCD-A3E6210F6C10@elecraft.com> <20151029174157.466ebc821e4e527a1cac822c@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: Frank, Actually No. You can build solid state 125Wpep HF amplifiers with TX IMD figures better than -42dBc that operate quite happily at full power with only 11V. Unfortunately they are typically designed and built by Military and Commercial HF manufacturers who then have to recover their development costs with very high transceiver prices. I don't think most Hamsters will want to pay for the amortised development costs, they are not insignificant. The last commercial BJT HF amplifier design that I was involved with required ~6 man years of development work and easily made the above specs/grade, this was done 9 years ago. However while the FCC and other regulatory bodies don't make the specifications for Amateur gear better, then there wont really be any serious developments in this area why would you? However there are an equal amount of poorly designed tube amplifiers c.f solid state amplifiers on the air waves, so this phenomenon is not uncommon. Oh the K3/K3s 100W power amplifier is certainly well above par, especially when kept around 30Wpep; just the right amount of power to feed the KPA500 or well designed QRO tube amp. 73 Matthew VK5ZM On 30 October 2015 at 10:11, frank wrote: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:21:05 -0700 > Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > Yes, we made sure compression was off. We gave the unit every > opportunity to exhibit magic properties. Alas, it did not. > > > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > > Sounds like all solid state amps offering more than about 50 watts are > having growing pains. It does not make much sense investing in something > you might need to trash in a few years when someone decides to design a > decent solid state amp or the chip designers create a magic power device. > > For my money its a K3S/10 and a homebrew 6146 run off a mobile power > supply. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk5zm at bistre.net > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Oct 29 20:02:40 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:02:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S) In-Reply-To: <5632AC42.2090106@voodoolab.com> References: <5632AC42.2090106@voodoolab.com> Message-ID: <5632B3A0.7010605@blomand.net> I looked at those units and saw no reference to any safety or emissions certifications. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S sm 10163 On 10/29/2015 6:31 PM, Josh Fiden wrote: > MegaWatt seems to be implying with "Real USA," posting a copy of their > USA trademark registration, and warnings about Chinese copies, that > this is a U.S. made product. However, no where do they actually state > that their product is Made in USA. > > The style of construction looks like it is made in Asia, and appears > to be without any safety certifications. > > It might be a perfectly fine power supply, but if they are trying to > push a Chinese product as made in the USA, that makes me sad! > > 73, > Josh W6XU From georgefritkin at yahoo.com Thu Oct 29 20:03:29 2015 From: georgefritkin at yahoo.com (George Fritkin) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:03:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <5632B099.6040800@blomand.net> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> <56328EB5.6070907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5632B099.6040800@blomand.net> Message-ID: <20F77CEC-727F-4910-8D64-3CA31163B09A@yahoo.com> First of all, it is POWDER coating not POWER coating. Secondly you can get conductive POWDER coating material. Unusual to find such and many people do not like to use it. George, W6GF Sent from my iPad > On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: > > It is amazing how many times I've found this to exist and how many times that I've written about this on various reflectors. The power coat paint on the chassis makes for an excellent insulator. > > If you have an Astron power supply and you have not checked to see that third pin ground is electrically connected to the chassis, or you have not checked to see that he outer shell is connected to the bottom shell, both being insulated by paint..........shame on you. > > This applies to all Aston supplies, both linear and switching. Remove the cover, remove the ground terminal where the green wire is attached, scrape away the paint, place an internal tooth lock washer between the terminal and chassis and reinstall the screw and nut. As to the shell, using 100# sandpaper, sand away the paint on the inside for an area about the size of a dime on both pieces, being the shell and pan, where the screws attach same. > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > >> On 10/29/2015 4:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> On Thu,10/29/2015 2:13 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >>> The intermittent problem turned out to be paint under a lug with a loose screw. >> >> That seems to be a very common problem with Astrons -- the power system "green wire" (safety ground) is soldered to the mounting lug of a terminal strip, which is insulated from the chassis by paint. This is a MAJOR violation of NEC. To make matters worse, the V- terminal is soldered to the same lug. The combination makes the unit susceptible to RFI. >> >> In one of my Astrons, the two sections of the chassis are insulated from each other by paint, so the unit is essentially unshielded as well. >> >> I do NOT recommend bonding V- to the chassis, so when you're fixing the paint problems, cut that jumper. There's no good reason for it. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to georgefritkin at yahoo.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Oct 29 20:03:40 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:03:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply forthe K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <563291d4.0487440a.3042d.ffff996d@mx.google.com> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> <563291d4.0487440a.3042d.ffff996d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hmm. Guess I should take apart my big linear Alinco supply and check the basic safety wiring. I will definitely take apart the small Pyramid linear. Thanks. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Oct 29, 2015, at 2:38 PM, Gary wrote: > > Fred, > Gravity outages? Seriously? > > Now that just cracked me up, put a smile on my face that hopefully will last all day. > > Thanks > > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Fred Jensen" > Sent: ?30/?10/?2015 7:15 AM > To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply forthe K3(S)? > > I deleted all but the last post in this thread > > On 10/29/2015 1:41 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > >> There is nothing better than a rock solid Astron power supply. I am >> yet another guy who leaves the Astron on 24x7 unless we leave for >> vacation of more than a day. My Astrons (I have two) are Linear >> because in the rare case that they need some repair I am more easily >> able to repair them (less complicated). So far, none of my Astrons >> have failed so that is a weak reason for a linear supply. > > My Astron experience hasn't been quite as stellar as many of the others > on this list. In mountain-top repeater/remote service, we've had > several that have never failed despite some fairly severe environmental > conditions. We've also had a couple that have failed. I took one apart > and was quite surprised at the construction of at least that one ... > ground wires wrapped around a loose screw [no lugs], "floating" > components, and the like. The intermittent problem turned out to be > paint under a lug with a loose screw. > >> Well, I do >> like them because they are heavy and are better at staying in one >> place. > > I power my K3 with a Yaesu FP-1030A [linear and heavy] that came with an > FT-847 I no longer have. It's set at 14.8 V and the meter needle might > just as well be painted on the glass because it never ever moves. At 100 > W, the voltage on the inside of the APP's on the back drops to 14.6 V. > > It's also good at securing the desk during gravity outages. :-) > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 > - www.cqp.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Oct 29 20:09:18 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:09:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <20F77CEC-727F-4910-8D64-3CA31163B09A@yahoo.com> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> <56328EB5.6070907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5632B099.6040800@blomand.net> <20F77CEC-727F-4910-8D64-3CA31163B09A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5632B52E.5020405@blomand.net> Sorry about my mis-typing of POWER and POWDER... Dang, that's the first keyboard error I've made since typing class in H.S. in 1960. Yes conductive POWDER coating material is available, however it is more expensive and more difficult to use. When I worked for the JA's , how well I know, as we tried it with a product in an attempt to resolve an ESD issue with a SONY product. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/29/2015 7:03 PM, George Fritkin wrote: > First of all, it is POWDER coating not POWER coating. Secondly you can get conductive POWDER coating material. > > Unusual to find such and many people do not like to use it. > > George, W6GF From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Oct 29 20:11:39 2015 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:11:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply forthe K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <563291d4.0487440a.3042d.ffff996d@mx.google.com> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> <563291d4.0487440a.3042d.ffff996d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Extra mass does not help in a gravity outage. It would just make more momentum as the power supply was flying away from the earth (centrifugal force from the earth?s rotation). It might be useful in a gravity brownout. But maybe not. In earthquake country, we do have something like a gravity outage. The 1994 Northridge Earthquake had peak accelerations of 1.8g horizontally and over 1g vertically. That is why we bolt the house to the foundation, because the foundation could drop so fast that the house would hang in the air and come down in not quite the same spot. Oops. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Oct 29, 2015, at 2:38 PM, Gary wrote: > > Fred, > Gravity outages? Seriously? > > Now that just cracked me up, put a smile on my face that hopefully will last all day. > > Thanks > > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Fred Jensen" > Sent: ?30/?10/?2015 7:15 AM > To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply forthe K3(S)? > > I deleted all but the last post in this thread > > On 10/29/2015 1:41 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > >> There is nothing better than a rock solid Astron power supply. I am >> yet another guy who leaves the Astron on 24x7 unless we leave for >> vacation of more than a day. My Astrons (I have two) are Linear >> because in the rare case that they need some repair I am more easily >> able to repair them (less complicated). So far, none of my Astrons >> have failed so that is a weak reason for a linear supply. > > My Astron experience hasn't been quite as stellar as many of the others > on this list. In mountain-top repeater/remote service, we've had > several that have never failed despite some fairly severe environmental > conditions. We've also had a couple that have failed. I took one apart > and was quite surprised at the construction of at least that one ... > ground wires wrapped around a loose screw [no lugs], "floating" > components, and the like. The intermittent problem turned out to be > paint under a lug with a loose screw. > >> Well, I do >> like them because they are heavy and are better at staying in one >> place. > > I power my K3 with a Yaesu FP-1030A [linear and heavy] that came with an > FT-847 I no longer have. It's set at 14.8 V and the meter needle might > just as well be painted on the glass because it never ever moves. At 100 > W, the voltage on the inside of the APP's on the back drops to 14.6 V. > > It's also good at securing the desk during gravity outages. :-) > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 > - www.cqp.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From georgefritkin at yahoo.com Thu Oct 29 20:14:15 2015 From: georgefritkin at yahoo.com (George Fritkin) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:14:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <5632B52E.5020405@blomand.net> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> <56328EB5.6070907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5632B099.6040800@blomand.net> <20F77CEC-727F-4910-8D64-3CA31163B09A@yahoo.com> <5632B52E.5020405@blomand.net> Message-ID: <2FA4C3A1-CDD5-415A-ABFA-725D901C45F4@yahoo.com> The problem is that it still has some resistance George, W6GF Sent from my iPad > On Oct 29, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: > > Sorry about my mis-typing of POWER and POWDER... Dang, that's the first keyboard error I've made since typing class in H.S. in 1960. > > Yes conductive POWDER coating material is available, however it is more expensive and more difficult to use. When I worked for the JA's , how well I know, as we tried it with a product in an attempt to resolve an ESD issue with a SONY product. > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > >> On 10/29/2015 7:03 PM, George Fritkin wrote: >> First of all, it is POWDER coating not POWER coating. Secondly you can get conductive POWDER coating material. >> >> Unusual to find such and many people do not like to use it. >> >> George, W6GF > > From ppauly at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 20:16:50 2015 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 20:16:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <2FA4C3A1-CDD5-415A-ABFA-725D901C45F4@yahoo.com> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> <56328EB5.6070907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5632B099.6040800@blomand.net> <20F77CEC-727F-4910-8D64-3CA31163B09A@yahoo.com> <5632B52E.5020405@blomand.net> <2FA4C3A1-CDD5-415A-ABFA-725D901C45F4@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Eric must be on vacation. This is where is would be forcing me to close the thread. On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:14 PM, George Fritkin via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > The problem is that it still has some resistance > > George, W6GF > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Oct 29, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX > wrote: > > > > Sorry about my mis-typing of POWER and POWDER... Dang, that's the > first keyboard error I've made since typing class in H.S. in 1960. > > > > Yes conductive POWDER coating material is available, however it is more > expensive and more difficult to use. When I worked for the JA's , how > well I know, as we tried it with a product in an attempt to resolve an ESD > issue with a SONY product. > > > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > >> On 10/29/2015 7:03 PM, George Fritkin wrote: > >> First of all, it is POWDER coating not POWER coating. Secondly you can > get conductive POWDER coating material. > >> > >> Unusual to find such and many people do not like to use it. > >> > >> George, W6GF > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ppauly at gmail.com > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Oct 29 20:22:40 2015 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:22:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> Message-ID: It looks like there might be a business opportunity for an external 100W amp which has very low distortion. Via auxbus it could be slaved to a K3, K3S, or a KX3. How does the KXPA100 stack up? Re: Overdriving speech processors K1N team member Glenn Johnson, W0GJ, said, ?It seems like everyone tries to turn up their microphone gain and speech processors to overdrive and it creates splatter and makes it almost impossible and if we could somehow magically eliminate all speech processors, we could probably double or triple our rate."[1] He also said that European stations were worse offenders than US stations. [1] Interview with Glenn Johnson W?GJ , K1N co-team leader by Wolf Harranth, OE1WHC of Dokumentationsarchiv Funk, a history of radio site 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Ham radio contesting is a | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | contact sport. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Ken Widelitz K6LA / VY2TT | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Oct 29 20:23:31 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:23:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <2FA4C3A1-CDD5-415A-ABFA-725D901C45F4@yahoo.com> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> <56328EB5.6070907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5632B099.6040800@blomand.net> <20F77CEC-727F-4910-8D64-3CA31163B09A@yahoo.com> <5632B52E.5020405@blomand.net> <2FA4C3A1-CDD5-415A-ABFA-725D901C45F4@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5632B883.4090601@blomand.net> Yes "some resistance" might be OK, however several meghoms is not. This gets me to thinking, in ham radio models, wonder how many, which ones, and such can withstand a 5KV to 10KV ESD discharge on any knob, screw or connector and survive. That is one of the standards we had to meet with our products. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/29/2015 7:14 PM, George Fritkin wrote: > The problem is that it still has some resistance > > George, W6GF From eric at elecraft.com Thu Oct 29 20:48:23 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:48:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <56328EB5.6070907@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> <56328EB5.6070907@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5632BE57.3090307@elecraft.com> Folks - we're hitting the posting limit for this topic. To avoid overload for other readers, lets wind it down tonight and then close the thread.. 73 Eric List Moderation, Inc. /elecraft.com/ On 10/29/2015 2:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Thu,10/29/2015 2:13 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> The intermittent problem turned out to be paint under a lug with a loose screw. > That seems to be a very common problem with Astrons -- From eric at elecraft.com Thu Oct 29 20:53:00 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:53:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7341F004-41CD-4376-9BCD-A3E6210F6C10@elecraft.com> <20151029174157.466ebc821e4e527a1cac822c@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <5632BF6C.90109@elecraft.com> Folks - we're also hitting the posting limit for this topic. To avoid overload for other readers, lets wind it down tonight and then close the thread.. 73 Eric List Moderation, LLC /elecraft.com/ --- On 10/29/2015 4:57 PM, Matthew Cook wrote: > Frank, > > Actually No. > > You can build solid state 125Wpep HF amplifiers with TX IMD figures better > than -42dBc that operate quite happily at full power with only 11V. > Unfortunately they are typically designed and built by Military and > Commercial HF manufacturers From eric at elecraft.com Thu Oct 29 20:57:41 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:57:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> <56328EB5.6070907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5632B099.6040800@blomand.net> <20F77CEC-727F-4910-8D64-3CA31163B09A@yahoo.com> <5632B52E.5020405@blomand.net> <2FA4C3A1-CDD5-415A-ABFA-725D901C45F4@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5632C085.3080501@elecraft.com> Just extremely busy today here at Elecraft HQ.. :-) 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 10/29/2015 5:16 PM, Peter Pauly wrote: > Eric must be on vacation. This is where is would be forcing me to close the > thread. > From mfsj at totalhighspeed.com Thu Oct 29 21:03:53 2015 From: mfsj at totalhighspeed.com (Fred Smith) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 20:03:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> Message-ID: <4145A507-6DF3-4DA7-99E8-7CC963FD806E@totalhighspeed.com> I agree the Astrons are hard to beat I use a pair of 70A supplies for my station and have several others a 35 and 2 20 amp supplies for spares. Fred N0AZZ Sent from my iPad > On Oct 29, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > >> On Oct 29, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Robert wrote: >> >> Yes, life is too short to power a radio from a cheap power supply. Remember, the life and performance of your radio depends on it. >> >> Bob, K4TAX > > > Ditto! > > There is nothing better than a rock solid Astron power supply. I am yet another guy who leaves the Astron on 24x7 unless we leave for vacation of more than a day. My Astrons (I have two) are Linear because in the rare case that they need some repair I am more easily able to repair them (less complicated). So far, none of my Astrons have failed so that is a weak reason for a linear supply. Well, I do like them because they are heavy and are better at staying in one place. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > > >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:32 AM, gerald finn wrote: >>> >>> For powering my Elecraft K3S and P3, I am using the Astron RS-35 power supply feeding a West Mountain DC-to-Go PWR gate PG40S and Rigrunner 4007U with a 79 Amp hour battery. >>> >>> Living on an island, we have many spikes and losses of power during the year. I figure that if I'm spending a sizable amount for my rig, I should have a good power supply. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net >>>> Sent: Oct 29, 2015 7:41 AM >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Elecraft Digest, Vol 138, Issue 40 >>>> >>>> Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to >>>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> elecraft-owner at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. KX3 to Computer (Forest Shick) >>>> 2. Re: KX3 to Computer (Martin Waller) >>>> 3. K3 and Wsjt (Guy F2CT) >>>> 4. Re: KX3 to Computer (Lyle Johnson) >>>> 5. Re: KX3 to Computer (martin waller) >>>> 6. Re: KX3 to Computer (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) >>>> 7. Re: KX3 to Computer (martin waller) >>>> 8. For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters (William Evans) >>>> 9. Re: KX3 AGC HLD settings (Cady, Fred) >>>> 10. K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) (William Evans) >>>> 11. Re: For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters (Ian - Ham) >>>> 12. Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Joe W2KJ) >>>> 13. Re: Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) >>>> 14. Re: K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) (William Evans) >>>> 15. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (David Woolley) >>>> 16. Re: K3 and Wsjt (Michael Eberle) >>>> 17. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (Don Wilhelm) >>>> 18. Re: Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Wayne Burdick) >>>> 19. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) >>>> 20. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (Fred Jensen) >>>> 21. Re: K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) >>>> 22. Re: Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Martin Storli - LA8OKA) >>>> 23. Re: K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? (Ian White) >>>> 24. Re: Icoms answer to the KX3?? (Heinz B?rtschi) >>>> 25. Which of these would make the best power supply for the >>>> K3(S)? (Peter Pauly) >>>> 26. Re: KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working (Gordon LaPoint) >>>> 27. Re: Which of these would make the best power supply for the >>>> K3(S)? (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) >>>> 28. Re: Which of these would make the best power supply for the >>>> K3(S)? (Mike K2MK) >>>> 29. IMD and supply voltage (frank) >>>> 30. Re: IMD and supply voltage (Don Wilhelm) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 16:58:09 -0400 >>>> From: "Forest Shick" >>>> To: >>>> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >>>> Message-ID: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >>>> SSTV. I have purchased the cable set. I connect the KX3 - Phones connector >>>> to the computer audio in and I can receive RTTY & SSTV. If I connect the >>>> computer audio out to the KX3 MIC, the radio goes into transmit. I would >>>> guess this is because the connector on the cable is incorrect for the MIC >>>> connector - too few contacts. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? >>>> >>>> Thank You >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:21:09 +0000 (UTC) >>>> From: Martin Waller >>>> To: Forest Shick , >>>> "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> Good questions. I have been playing with RTTY myself this last few days and hit just that problem. I have been holding the microphone infront of the PC speaker in the interim as that worked as a temporary solution. >>>> I would like to know the best way of doing this too. >>>> MartinG0PJO >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, 28 October 2015, 20:58, Forest Shick wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >>>> SSTV. I have purchased the cable set. I connect the KX3 - Phones connector >>>> to the computer audio in and I can receive RTTY & SSTV. If I connect the >>>> computer audio out to the KX3 MIC, the radio goes into transmit. I would >>>> guess this is because the connector on the cable is incorrect for the MIC >>>> connector - too few contacts. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? >>>> >>>> Thank You >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to martin at the-wallers.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:24:56 +0100 >>>> From: Guy F2CT >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Wsjt >>>> Message-ID: <7nnbgyeix10vxamp0v89fe3r.1446067496430 at email.android.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>>> >>>> Hello >>>> I need some help in order to use my K3 + K144XV in JT modes. >>>> What's the best adaptor between K3 and PC ? >>>> Thanks a lot for help. >>>> Kundest Regards >>>> >>>> Cordiales 73 >>>> Guy F2CT >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 4 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 14:44:19 -0700 >>>> From: Lyle Johnson >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >>>> Message-ID: <563141B3.2060005 at gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >>>> >>>> Disable the mic buttons (see menu items) and use VOX (or a serial port >>>> command) to switch between Tx and Rx depending on your program's features. >>>> >>>> And be sure to set MIG GAIN to ZERO then gradually increase it to get >>>> the 4-5 bars of ALC indication. If the MIC GAIN is too high for the >>>> computer's audio level, the ALC bar graph and the transmit audio levels >>>> may not respond properly (this is a bug on my short list to fix). >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Lyle KK7P >>>> >>>>> Good question...I have been holding the microphone infront of the PC speaker in the interim as that worked as a temporary solution. >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >>>>> SSTV... >>>>> >>>>> So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 5 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:01:20 +0000 >>>> From: martin waller >>>> To: Lyle Johnson >>>> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >>>> Message-ID: >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> Hi Lyle >>>> >>>> Many thanks for the complete explanation. I'll give it a whirl. >>>> >>>> Martin >>>> G0PJO >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On 28 Oct 2015, at 21:44, Lyle Johnson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Disable the mic buttons (see menu items) and use VOX (or a serial port command) to switch between Tx and Rx depending on your program's features. >>>>> >>>>> And be sure to set MIG GAIN to ZERO then gradually increase it to get the 4-5 bars of ALC indication. If the MIC GAIN is too high for the computer's audio level, the ALC bar graph and the transmit audio levels may not respond properly (this is a bug on my short list to fix). >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> Lyle KK7P >>>>> >>>>>> Good question...I have been holding the microphone infront of the PC speaker in the interim as that worked as a temporary solution. >>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>>> What is the easiest way to connect the KX3 to a computer for RTTY, PSK31 & >>>>>> SSTV... >>>>>> >>>>>> So how do you connect the audio for transmitting? >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to martin at the-wallers.net >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 6 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:16:51 -0700 >>>> From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >>>> Message-ID: <56314953.7030200 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>>> >>>> This looks useful: https://k4mtx.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/kx3-fldigi-setup/ >>>> >>>> It's specific to FLDIGI, but all of the soundcard modes require pretty >>>> much the same wiring. >>>> >>>> Please note: if you hold the microphone to the PC speaker, the >>>> microphone will pick up background noise and transmit that all over the >>>> band. >>>> >>>> Generally speaking, you'll be operating in a part of the band that >>>> discourages wideband noise. >>>> >>>> 73 -- Lynn >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 7 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:29:28 +0000 >>>> From: martin waller >>>> To: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" >>>> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer >>>> Message-ID: <08251545-92E4-4083-B71B-88AE4F6BAB78 at the-wallers.net> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> Thanks for the tip about holding the microphone! I've only played on 2m so far so I should not have upset too many people! >>>> >>>> Martin >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On 28 Oct 2015, at 22:16, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This looks useful: https://k4mtx.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/kx3-fldigi-setup/ >>>>> >>>>> It's specific to FLDIGI, but all of the soundcard modes require pretty much the same wiring. >>>>> >>>>> Please note: if you hold the microphone to the PC speaker, the microphone will pick up background noise and transmit that all over the band. >>>>> >>>>> Generally speaking, you'll be operating in a part of the band that discourages wideband noise. >>>>> >>>>> 73 -- Lynn >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to martin at the-wallers.net >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 8 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:33:51 -0400 >>>> From: William Evans >>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters >>>> Message-ID: >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 9 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 22:35:47 +0000 >>>> From: "Cady, Fred" >>>> To: GRANT YOUNGMAN , Elecraft Reflector >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 AGC HLD settings >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>>> >>>> Hi Grant, >>>> When I did my KX3 books I somehow figured out it is 0.00 to 2.00 seconds. That's what the K3 does and I assume the KX3 is the same. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Fred KE7X >>>> >>>> Author of: >>>> ?The Elecraft K3S and P3 ? Getting the Most out from Your High Performance Station?. >>>> "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration and Operation 2nd ed" >>>> "The Portable Elecraft KX3 ? Going for the Summit with the KX3 and KX3-2M/4M" >>>> ?The Elecraft KX-Line ? The Complete Station? >>>> ?The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 ? the K-Line Dream Station? >>>> Printed, coil bound copies of these are all available at www.elecraft.com >>>> PDF files available from www.ke7x.com >>>> ?The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters ? Assembling the KX3-Line Station? printed copy available at www.lulu.com and pdf from www.ke7x.com. >>>> Plus a book dedicated to the K3S upgrades for the K3 and a 3rd Edition of the K3 book are works in progress. >>>> Free guides at ke7x.com >>>> KPA500 and KAT500 Quick Set Up Guide >>>> http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide >>>> KAT500 and KXPA500 Tuner Operation >>>> http://www.ke7x.com/home/kat500-and-kxpa100-tuners >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: Elecraft on behalf of GRANT YOUNGMAN >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:07 AM >>>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>>> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AGC HLD settings >>>> >>>> The KX3 manual indicates that the AGC HLD setting is in ?seconds?. It doesn?t appear that ?001? in the three digit display is one second. >>>> >>>> I suspect its either ?(.)XXX? seconds or ?X(.)XX? seconds. I must have missed something in the book somewhere. A search on Nabble, update history, etc. didn?t go anywhere either. >>>> >>>> Can someone shed some light? >>>> >>>> Thanks ? Grant NQ5T >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 10 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:38:38 -0400 >>>> From: William Evans >>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) >>>> Message-ID: <86C7005C-7677-4373-B18F-BE58280F5A27 at w4ish.net> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> KFL3A-6K 8 pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS >>>> KFL3A-400 8-Pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS >>>> >>>> both for $210 including shipping >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> W4ish @ w4ish.net >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 11 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:39:56 -0400 >>>> From: "Ian - Ham" >>>> To: "'William Evans'" , >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters >>>> Message-ID: <000701d111d1$924fb7b0$b6ef2710$@gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> Which ones? How much? >>>> >>>> Thanks and 73, >>>> >>>> --Ian >>>> Ian Kahn, KM4IK >>>> Roswell, GA EM74ua >>>> km4ik.ian at gmail.com >>>> 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 >>>> PODXS 070 #1962 >>>> K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >>>> William Evans >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:34 PM >>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Xtal Filters >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >>>> delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 12 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:48:42 -0400 >>>> From: Joe W2KJ >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >>>> Message-ID: >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >>>> >>>> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >>>> >>>> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. >>>> >>>> The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. >>>> >>>> Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. >>>> >>>> 73, Joe W2KJ >>>> KX3/KXPA100 >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 13 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:59:08 -0700 >>>> From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >>>> Message-ID: <5631533C.6050901 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>>> >>>> It has a Touch Screen! Sweet!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 10/28/2015 3:48 PM, Joe W2KJ wrote: >>>>> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >>>>> >>>>> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >>>>> >>>>> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. >>>>> >>>>> The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. >>>>> >>>>> Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Joe W2KJ >>>>> KX3/KXPA100 >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 14 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 19:00:37 -0400 >>>> From: William Evans >>>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Xtal Filters for sale (really!) >>>> Message-ID: <524458ED-6117-4798-A4B7-82FD91BA7836 at w4ish.net> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> Gentlemen, >>>> the 6K filter is spoken for (pending payment) Thanks >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> W4ISH >>>>> On Oct 28, 2015, at 6:38 PM, William Evans wrote: >>>>> >>>>> KFL3A-6K 8 pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS >>>>> KFL3A-400 8-Pole filter for K3 or K3S $110 - includes shipping CONUS >>>>> >>>>> both for $210 including shipping >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> W4ish @ w4ish.net >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to w4ish at w4ish.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 15 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:33:18 +0000 >>>> From: David Woolley >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >>>> Message-ID: <56315B3E.5050404 at david-woolley.me.uk> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>>> >>>> Although I hadn't noticed it before, I would say that design in the K2 >>>> is more about stability and DC offsets than anything to do with pick up >>>> of the BFO. The balanced demodulator and last two crystals deal with that. >>>> >>>> The old, basically AM sets, used high level, unbalanced detectors. That >>>> required more total gain from aerial to detector, although that might be >>>> split between RF and two IF frequencies. >>>> >>>> Balanced detectors can work with much lower level signals, which is >>>> particularly helpful for a single conversion design, like the K2. >>>> However, the AGC detector doesn't want to be balanced, and with a low >>>> level signal, would have a large DC offset, that might exceed the wanted >>>> rectified AGC, therefore additional gain is needed before the AGC >>>> detector. If this were done at the IF frequency, the gain from input to >>>> output at one frequency would be much greater, and proportionately less >>>> stray coupling would be needed to make the whole system oscillate. By >>>> shifting the frequency, which can be done at low signal levels, the >>>> design reduces the gain at any one frequency. >>>> >>>> The risk with doing all at one frequency is not pickup of the BFO at the >>>> input of the IF amplifier, but pickup of its own output. >>>> >>>> If there were leakage of the BFO it would get amplified just as much as >>>> if additional gain was tapped off at the same point and amplified at the >>>> original frequency. The design seems to rely on the balance of the >>>> detector and the two pole crystal filter, to stop the BFO getting into >>>> the AGC path, and not the difference in frequency. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> David Woolley >>>> Owner K2 06123 >>>>> On 28/10/15 03:15, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The most successful solutions (before SDR technology took over) were to >>>>> split the I.F. with a second mixer that was far removed from the main I.F. >>>>> the second I.F. was used to generate the AGC voltage and, since it was on a >>>>> wholly different frequency from the main I.F. the BFO didn't trigger the >>>>> AGC. In fact, the Elecraft K2 uses that technique quite successfully. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 16 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:52:54 -0500 >>>> From: Michael Eberle >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and Wsjt >>>> Message-ID: <56315FD5.6070804 at mchsi.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 17 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:19:53 -0400 >>>> From: Don Wilhelm >>>> To: David Woolley , >>>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >>>> Message-ID: <56316629.5000603 at embarqmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>>> >>>> David, >>>> >>>> I do not understand your logic. >>>> Let's divorce the AGC from the product detector for a moment. The K2 >>>> takes the input to the AGC circuit from the IF and converts it to a >>>> frequency that is removed from the IF signal. The AGC circuit produces >>>> a DC voltage that is used to control the gain of the IF amplifier - period. >>>> That has nothing to do with balanced or unbalanced - the output is a a >>>> DC voltage which is applied to the IF amplifier to control its gain. >>>> >>>> That means that the only signals applied to the product detector are the >>>> incoming signal (already controlled by the AGC) and the BFO. >>>> >>>> Yes, receivers of old did not use product detectors (mixers) but used a >>>> diode detector, and the BFO signal was injected along with the IF signal >>>> to produce the audio output. The BFO injection level was fixed, and >>>> therefore the gain of the IF input to the detector had to be matched to >>>> the BFO level for proper demodulation to occur. The result is that one >>>> had to ride the RF Gain to make the levels of the IF signal and the BFO >>>> work in harmony with each other. In addition, the AGC was developed >>>> after the detector, so in those old receivers, it was best to turn off >>>> the AGC. >>>> >>>> That is not true for receivers using a product detector. BFO pickup is >>>> not a problem with a product detector as long as the output of the mixer >>>> (product detector) is restricted to a bandpass that contains only the >>>> audio frequencies (the input frequencies - BFO and IF - are rejected >>>> leaving only the audio content). >>>> >>>> Those old operating habits (ride the RF Gain and set the AF Gain at max) >>>> are still being used by some operators, but it is not necessary for >>>> modern receivers which use product detectors - the K2 is included in >>>> that list. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>>> On 10/28/2015 7:33 PM, David Woolley wrote: >>>>> Although I hadn't noticed it before, I would say that design in the K2 >>>>> is more about stability and DC offsets than anything to do with pick >>>>> up of the BFO. The balanced demodulator and last two crystals deal >>>>> with that. >>>>> >>>>> The old, basically AM sets, used high level, unbalanced detectors. >>>>> That required more total gain from aerial to detector, although that >>>>> might be split between RF and two IF frequencies. >>>>> >>>>> Balanced detectors can work with much lower level signals, which is >>>>> particularly helpful for a single conversion design, like the K2. >>>>> However, the AGC detector doesn't want to be balanced, and with a low >>>>> level signal, would have a large DC offset, that might exceed the >>>>> wanted rectified AGC, therefore additional gain is needed before the >>>>> AGC detector. If this were done at the IF frequency, the gain from >>>>> input to output at one frequency would be much greater, and >>>>> proportionately less stray coupling would be needed to make the whole >>>>> system oscillate. By shifting the frequency, which can be done at low >>>>> signal levels, the design reduces the gain at any one frequency. >>>>> >>>>> The risk with doing all at one frequency is not pickup of the BFO at >>>>> the input of the IF amplifier, but pickup of its own output. >>>>> >>>>> If there were leakage of the BFO it would get amplified just as much >>>>> as if additional gain was tapped off at the same point and amplified >>>>> at the original frequency. The design seems to rely on the balance of >>>>> the detector and the two pole crystal filter, to stop the BFO getting >>>>> into the AGC path, and not the difference in frequency. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 18 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 17:44:50 -0700 >>>> From: Wayne Burdick >>>> To: Joe W2KJ >>>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >>>> Message-ID: <9C1FC112-2AED-4F41-8CB3-AD09A928D26B at elecraft.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> Joe W2KJ wrote: >>>> >>>>> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >>>>> >>>>> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >>>>> >>>>> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. >>>> >>>> Based on Icom's published specs, by volume it is 7.5 times larger than the KX3. >>>> >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 19 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 20:19:46 -0500 >>>> From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >>>> Message-ID: <56317432.3060800 at blomand.net> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>>> >>>> Don is absolutely correct. >>>> >>>> As many may know, I do assist hams with issues associated with many >>>> different products here and elsewhere. The biggest issue I encounter is >>>> the ham that says " well somebody told me to.... blah blah blah blah >>>> ......and it would work best". In many cases, nothing could be further >>>> from the truth. I find today that many hams are more prone to have and >>>> use old school thinking and methods trying to be used with today's >>>> radios. I find this applies to many facets of ham radio equipment as >>>> being used today. >>>> >>>> As I've told many, if you expect the radio to operate like a Kenwood, >>>> ICOM or Yaesu, it darn well better say Kenwood, ICOM or Yaesu on the >>>> front panel. Otherwise stated, learn to use the Elecraft radio >>>> correctly in order to attain optimum performance, for indeed they do not >>>> operate like the others. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> Bob, K4TAX >>>> K3S s/n 10163 >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 10/28/2015 7:19 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>>> Those old operating habits (ride the RF Gain and set the AF Gain at >>>>> max) are still being used by some operators, but it is not necessary >>>>> for modern receivers which use product detectors - the K2 is included >>>>> in that list. >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 20 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:47:38 -0700 >>>> From: Fred Jensen >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >>>> Message-ID: <56317ABA.5070605 at foothill.net> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>>> >>>> How do I set the AGC on my loose coupler receiver? :-) I'm old, but >>>> I've never used the RF Gain on my K3. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Fred K6DGW >>>> - Northern California Contest Club >>>> - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 >>>> - www.cqp.org >>>> >>>>> On 10/28/2015 6:19 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: >>>>> Don is absolutely correct. >>>>> >>>>> As many may know, I do assist hams with issues associated with many >>>>> different products here and elsewhere. The biggest issue I encounter is >>>>> the ham that says " well somebody told me to.... blah blah blah blah >>>>> .....and it would work best". In many cases, nothing could be further >>>>> from the truth. I find today that many hams are more prone to have and >>>>> use old school thinking and methods trying to be used with today's >>>>> radios. I find this applies to many facets of ham radio equipment as >>>>> being used today. >>>>> >>>>> As I've told many, if you expect the radio to operate like a Kenwood, >>>>> ICOM or Yaesu, it darn well better say Kenwood, ICOM or Yaesu on the >>>>> front panel. Otherwise stated, learn to use the Elecraft radio >>>>> correctly in order to attain optimum performance, for indeed they do not >>>>> operate like the others. >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> Bob, K4TAX >>>>> K3S s/n 10163 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 21 >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:08:45 -0500 >>>> From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 - AGC/No AGC >>>> Message-ID: <56317FAD.8000504 at blomand.net> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>>> >>>> Back in 1923, in order to receive a signal, the following adjustments >>>> must be made and possibly repeated to get the optimum performance (not a >>>> simple matter and easily upset): The input coil (inside box) is adjusted >>>> to resonate at the desired receiving frequency using the two tap >>>> selectors on the front panel of the box.The inductance of the secondary >>>> coil is set by its tapping switch and tuned by a capacitor to suit the >>>> frequency being received. Moving the secondary coil in and out of the >>>> primary (in the box) allows coupling to adjusted for maximum >>>> performance. With coil pushed in, the sensitivity will be high and the >>>> selectivity will be poor. The reverse occurs with the coil pulled out. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> Bob, K4TAX >>>> >>>> On 10/28/2015 8:47 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >>>> >>>> How do I set the AGC on my loose coupler receiver? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 22 >>>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:15:05 +0000 (UTC) >>>> From: Martin Storli - LA8OKA >>>> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <1717313154.7097159.1446106505116.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>>> >>>> When it comes to RF architecture, the IC-7300 is nothing like the KX3, it's actually a step ahead, because it's not a Direct Conversion, but a RF Direct sampling?. >>>> ICOM didn't follow Elecraft on this one. They rather follow FlexRadio, the russian Expert Electronics and the italian Elad amongst other. So many are going Down this road now, it's hard to tell who's first. >>>> The KX3 wasn't the first Direct Conversion?SDR receiver with knobs either, there where several smaler manufactures just prior to the KX3.But KX3 might claim to be the first commersial success, but that is more to?due to?the strong?Elecraft brand and the KX1 legassy than due to innovation.And, it's a good transceiver, so it deserves the success regardless of the RF architecture employed. >>>> Best regards >>>> Martin Storli LA8OKAOslo, Norway ?ARCTICPEAK's Radio pages! http://www.arcticpeak.com/radio.htm >>>> Fra: Joe W2KJ >>>> Til: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Sendt: Onsdag, 28. oktober 2015 23.48 >>>> Emne: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >>>> >>>> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >>>> >>>> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >>>> >>>> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size,? I believe. >>>> >>>> The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. >>>> >>>> Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. >>>> >>>> ??? ??? ??? 73, Joe W2KJ >>>> ??? ??? ??? KX3/KXPA100 >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to arcticpeak at yahoo.no >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 23 >>>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:20:28 -0000 >>>> From: "Ian White" >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S In-Depth Review Coming Soon? >>>> Message-ID: <006601d11222$b0e8a640$12b9f2c0$@co.uk> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> Apologies once again - this message sent yesterday to G3RXQ was meant to >>>> be copied to the whole group. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> You are right, Stewart. >>>> >>>> Please cancel that whole paragraph about the KIO3B. Apologies to the >>>> group for spreading my confusion worldwide. >>>> >>>> >>>> 73 from Ian GM3SEK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 24 >>>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:34:57 +0100 >>>> From: Heinz B?rtschi >>>> To: Martin Storli - LA8OKA >>>> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >>>> Message-ID: <5D13C9F8-65A7-4747-ADF3-E4A4F9C4D75C at bluewin.ch> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>>> Am 29.10.2015 um 09:15 schrieb Martin Storli - LA8OKA : >>>>> >>>>> ... "The KX3 wasn't the first Direct Conversion SDR receiver with knobs either, there where several smaler manufactures just prior to the KX3." >>>> >>>> Yes, maybe the ADAT-200 designed by Hans HB9CBU was the very first such transceiver. Enjoy! >>>> http://www.adat.ch/index_e.html >>>> >>>> 73, Heinz HB9BCB >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Fra: Joe W2KJ >>>>> Til: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> Sendt: Onsdag, 28. oktober 2015 23.48 >>>>> Emne: [Elecraft] Icoms answer to the KX3?? >>>>> >>>>> Howdy Fellow Elecrafters: >>>>> >>>>> Saw something new from Icom called the IC7300. >>>>> >>>>> Looks like a direct conversion architecture ala the KX3 but larger in size, I believe. >>>>> >>>>> The KX3 might have been the first such multi-band design with front panel display, knobs. buttons, etc, similar to traditional superhet transceivers and it appears that Icom is following the lead. >>>>> >>>>> Would love to see the technical specs on this new rig. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Joe W2KJ >>>>> KX3/KXPA100 >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to arcticpeak at yahoo.no >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to heinz.baertschi at bluewin.ch >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 25 >>>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:51:53 -0400 >>>> From: Peter Pauly >>>> To: Elecraft Reflector >>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply >>>> for the K3(S)? >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>>> >>>> I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and seem >>>> to be well regarded. I've come up with these two choices, feel free to give >>>> more suggestions of other models. I've seen talk on this reflector of >>>> supplying more than 13.8V to the K3S so that's why I'm looking at the 15V >>>> model. >>>> >>>> 12V Model: Meanwell NES-350-12 >>>> Voltage range 10-13.5V >>>> 29A >>>> >>>> >>>> 15V Model: Meanwell NES-350-15 >>>> Voltage range 13.5-18V >>>> 23.2A >>>> >>>> >>>> The 15 volt model would seem to be the obvious choice, except that it >>>> doesn't supply the recommended 25 amps. The K3S manual says 22 amps typical >>>> though. >>>> >>>> Is there another model Meanwell I should be looking at that has better >>>> protection or filtering? >>>> >>>> I've already got an Astron switching power supply, the Meanwell would be a >>>> second alternative. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 26 >>>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 08:07:46 -0400 >>>> From: Gordon LaPoint >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KRC2 rs232 to cpu not working >>>> Message-ID: <56320C12.7040306 at gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>>> >>>> All, >>>> I found the problem. My serial cable had a broken wire on pin >>>> 2. I had used the serial cable on my KPA-500 and it was working. Must >>>> have broken when I removed it from the system and used it to test the >>>> KRC2. Thanks for all the pointers and help! Murphy is so busy at my QTH, >>>> hope he leaves soon! >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Gordon - N1MGO >>>> >>>>> On 10/25/2015 08:54 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>>> John, >>>>> >>>>> Actually a standard serial cable can be connected to the KRC2 if >>>>> jumpers W11 thru W20 are removed, no need to cut off wires in the cable. >>>>> That information *is* in the plugging configuration charts. >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> Don W3FPR >>>>> >>>>>> On 10/25/2015 8:43 AM, John K9UWA wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> A simple statement in the KRC2 manual could have been added by Elecraft >>>>>> stating. To Program your KRC2 to your K3 radio get a standard DB9 serial >>>>>> cable. and CUT OFF all wires EXCEPT 2, 3 and 5. Mark the cable Program >>>>>> KCR2 ONLY and save the cable for future use. I wonder how many >>>>>> additional KRC2 boxes Elecraft could have sold over the last 4 years? >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to gordon.lapoint at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gordon - N1MGO >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 27 >>>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:26:47 -0500 >>>> From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power >>>> supply for the K3(S)? >>>> Message-ID: <56321087.7030205 at blomand.net> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>>> >>>> An Astron SS-30M is a much better supply and will supply the required >>>> current. It has excellent regulation and IS NOT a noise generator. >>>> Plus it has a volt meter and amp meter on the front panel. >>>> >>>> 73 >>>> Bob, K4TAX >>>> K3S s/n 10163 >>>> >>>>> On 10/29/2015 6:51 AM, Peter Pauly wrote: >>>>> I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and ........ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 28 >>>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 06:05:46 -0700 (MST) >>>> From: Mike K2MK >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power >>>> supply for the K3(S)? >>>> Message-ID: <1446123946333-7609688.post at n2.nabble.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> >>>> Hi Peter, >>>> >>>> I bought the Astron RS-35M for my $4000 K3 in 2008. I've never turned it off >>>> and I've never even given it a second thought. No fan, no RF noise, just >>>> reliable DC. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Mike K2MK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Peter Pauly wrote >>>>> I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and seem >>>>> to be well regarded. I've come up with these two choices, feel free to >>>>> give >>>>> more suggestions of other models. I've seen talk on this reflector of >>>>> supplying more than 13.8V to the K3S so that's why I'm looking at the 15V >>>>> model. >>>>> >>>>> 12V Model: Meanwell NES-350-12 >>>>> Voltage range 10-13.5V >>>>> 29A >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 15V Model: Meanwell NES-350-15 >>>>> Voltage range 13.5-18V >>>>> 23.2A >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The 15 volt model would seem to be the obvious choice, except that it >>>>> doesn't supply the recommended 25 amps. The K3S manual says 22 amps >>>>> typical >>>>> though. >>>>> >>>>> Is there another model Meanwell I should be looking at that has better >>>>> protection or filtering? >>>>> >>>>> I've already got an Astron switching power supply, the Meanwell would be a >>>>> second alternative. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Which-of-these-would-make-the-best-power-supply-for-the-K3-S-tp7609685p7609688.html >>>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 29 >>>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:09:41 -0600 >>>> From: frank >>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage >>>> Message-ID: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203 at k5dkz.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>>> >>>> This subject keeps cropping up. Is this a serious issue ? >>>> >>>> I have heard that IMD improves by 10db with a one volt increase in supply voltage. Is this really the case or just a measurement error? 10db is a large difference. One volt is a small variation. >>>> >>>> What is the minimum acceptable IMD? How linear does the amp need to be? If 36db is better than 26db is 100db even better or just overkill? >>>> >>>> Are other solid state amplifier products similarly effected? >>>> >>>> What is the IMD performance of the K3S at 10 watts over a supply voltage variation from 11 volts to 14.7 volts? I ask because I believe those ten watts are generated by Dmos devices as well. Do these devices only misbehave with varying supply voltage at higher (100w) power levels and lower supply voltages? >>>> >>>> Should I wait to purchase a K3S until this issue is resolved? (Assuming this is a valid issue) >>>> >>>> Back in the good old days we used to solve problems. Today we don't have problems, just issues. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Frank - K5DKZ >>>> KX3 - 7550 >>>> PX3 - 1143 >>>> KXPA100 - 1566 >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 30 >>>> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:41:25 -0400 >>>> From: Don Wilhelm >>>> To: frank , elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage >>>> Message-ID: <56323015.6050807 at embarqmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>>> >>>> Frank, >>>> >>>> I think the "issue" is one of some hams wanting to make what is good >>>> already into something better. >>>> If you look closely you should discover that this is a situation common >>>> to *all* 100 watt class amplifiers that are supposed to run on a nominal >>>> '12 volt' supply. That voltage level is chosen because it is common for >>>> vehicle batteries, so most transceivers are designed around that voltage >>>> - the K3S is just one of those. >>>> >>>> Using an increased voltage power supply will drastically reduce the >>>> transmit IMD, and that is true for all those 100 watt class amplifiers. >>>> Bottom line is that I don't think it will be "fixed" in the K3S - I >>>> don't think it can be fixed in any of the 100 watt class solid state >>>> amplifiers. >>>> >>>> So the thing to do is to run the power supply voltage up to near 15 >>>> volts (but not above), and do not operate with "all knobs to the right". >>>> Many hams seen to want to squeeze all the power output that they can >>>> from a transceiver, so you will put a cleaner signal on the air if you >>>> set the power to 100 watts rather than trying to squeeze that last 20 >>>> extra watts out of an amplifier. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>>> On 10/29/2015 11:09 AM, frank wrote: >>>>> This subject keeps cropping up. Is this a serious issue ? >>>>> >>>>> I have heard that IMD improves by 10db with a one volt increase in supply voltage. Is this really the case or just a measurement error? 10db is a large difference. One volt is a small variation. >>>>> >>>>> What is the minimum acceptable IMD? How linear does the amp need to be? If 36db is better than 26db is 100db even better or just overkill? >>>>> >>>>> Are other solid state amplifier products similarly effected? >>>>> >>>>> What is the IMD performance of the K3S at 10 watts over a supply voltage variation from 11 volts to 14.7 volts? I ask because I believe those ten watts are generated by Dmos devices as well. Do these devices only misbehave with varying supply voltage at higher (100w) power levels and lower supply voltages? >>>>> >>>>> Should I wait to purchase a K3S until this issue is resolved? (Assuming this is a valid issue) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Subject: Digest Footer >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> You must be a subscriber to post. >>>> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 138, Issue 40 >>>> ***************************************** >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mfsj at totalhighspeed.com > From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Oct 29 22:18:28 2015 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:18:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply forthe K3(S)? In-Reply-To: References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> <563291d4.0487440a.3042d.ffff996d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5632D374.5080201@foothill.net> Actually, it was a joke, not an exposition on general relativity's explanation of gravity. It derives from the era of SX-28's and 75A4's. Mass or not, they would hold your desk down. I now live in NW NV, also earthquake country, and our bookcases and furniture are indeed tied to the studs. Nevertheless, my FP-1030A is doing a good job of holding my desk to the floor. :-) Possibly, we all need to lighten up a little. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2016 - www.cqp.org On 10/29/2015 5:11 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Extra mass does not help in a gravity outage. It would just make more > momentum as the power supply was flying away from the earth > (centrifugal force from the earth?s rotation). It might be useful in > a gravity brownout. But maybe not. > > In earthquake country, we do have something like a gravity outage. > The 1994 Northridge Earthquake had peak accelerations of 1.8g > horizontally and over 1g vertically. That is why we bolt the house to > the foundation, because the foundation could drop so fast that the > house would hang in the air and come down in not quite the same spot. > Oops. From ingerassociates at cox.net Thu Oct 29 22:29:22 2015 From: ingerassociates at cox.net (David Inger) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:29:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: Hand Mics for the K2 or K3 Radios Message-ID: I have two hand mics for sale that will work with any version of the K2 or K3: 1. Elecraft MH2: This mic is in as new condition and comes with the hanger bracket, box and instruction sheet. $40 + $6 Priority Mail shipping. 2. Kachina: This is the mic that came with the PC-controlled Kachina tranceiver. It is a very beefy and well-made product. It has a coiled cable terminated in a high quality Heil Sound 8-pin round "Foster" plug. The mic is wired for the standard Elecraft/kenwood pinout. This is a low impedance dynamic mic. $20 + $6 Priority Mail Shipping. If interest in one or both mics please contact me off list at ingerassociates at cox.net. 73 de K6SBA David in Santa Barbara, CA From vk1zzgary at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 22:43:27 2015 From: vk1zzgary at gmail.com (Gary) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:43:27 +1000 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <5632BF6C.90109@elecraft.com> References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7341F004-41CD-4376-9BCD-A3E6210F6C10@elecraft.com> <20151029174157.466ebc821e4e527a1cac822c@k5dkz.com> <5632BF6C.90109@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5632d964.a794420a.ad49f.ffffcc8d@mx.google.com> Eric, I have learnt a lot reading the posts, thanks for being tolerant. Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" Sent: ?30/?10/?2015 10:53 AM To: "Matthew Cook" ; "frank" Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage Folks - we're also hitting the posting limit for this topic. To avoid overload for other readers, lets wind it down tonight and then close the thread.. 73 Eric List Moderation, LLC /elecraft.com/ --- On 10/29/2015 4:57 PM, Matthew Cook wrote: > Frank, > > Actually No. > > You can build solid state 125Wpep HF amplifiers with TX IMD figures better > than -42dBc that operate quite happily at full power with only 11V. > Unfortunately they are typically designed and built by Military and > Commercial HF manufacturers ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzgary at gmail.com From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Thu Oct 29 22:50:24 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 22:50:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ETT TXF In-Reply-To: <003901d11291$3bee5cd0$b3cb1670$@net> References: <003901d11291$3bee5cd0$b3cb1670$@net> Message-ID: <5632DAF0.502@embarqmail.com> Look on page 70 of the manual and you will find that you do not have the correct transmit filter configured for SSB. How it got that way, I have no clue, but that error says it is currently incorrect. K3 Utility is the easiest way to configure the filters although you can do it using the menu. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/29/2015 5:31 PM, efortner wrote: > I have just installed fldigi on the computer, configured it but do not have > the CAT control working yet. Will work on that later. > > > > In the mean time when I go back to SSB on 20 meters and key the microphone I > get a red TX light and ERR TXF on vfo B. TX arrow points to VFO A > > > > It transmits fine on CW. I have not changed anything in the > > > > Configuration of the K3s or LP bridge except to add FLdigi to the LP bridge. > Anyone have a clue what to look for? > > > > From wes at triconet.org Thu Oct 29 22:50:56 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:50:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> Message-ID: <5632DB10.9000805@triconet.org> IMD is not a single number, even at a fixed supply voltage and power output. Recent measurements that I have performed on my K3 show a significant variation in IMD vs. frequency. For example, at 30W (V+ 14.5V), the IMD of my K3, varied from -58 dB (relative to PEP*) at 3.8 MHz to -40 dB at 14 MHz. Both of these numbers are astoundingly good, but get worse at 100W, as expected, and get much worse at 10W, which is not. And you don't even want to think about it at 12W. I have it on excellent authority that no one understands this IMD variation with respect to frequency. As to a rule of thumb for IMD dB per volt, IMHO, there isn't one. A 1 volt change from 11 to 12 might be fairly significant; a change from 14 to 15, not so much. * Some words about the numbers. I believe, and a number of professional (Collins, EIMAC) and military specifications agree with me, that the IMD products should be compared to the level of one of the two fundamental spectral components. ARRL, Elecraft and every other ham equipment manufacturer compare the IMD products to the PEP of the two fundamental spectral components. So when they measure -24 dBc on a spectrum analyzer they add -6 dB and call the IMD -30 dBc. Your receiver is an unswept spectrum analyzer; it isn't fooled by the slight-of-hand. On 10/29/2015 8:09 AM, frank wrote: > This subject keeps cropping up. Is this a serious issue ? > > I have heard that IMD improves by 10db with a one volt increase in supply voltage. Is this really the case or just a measurement error? 10db is a large difference. One volt is a small variation. > > What is the minimum acceptable IMD? How linear does the amp need to be? If 36db is better than 26db is 100db even better or just overkill? > > Are other solid state amplifier products similarly effected? > > What is the IMD performance of the K3S at 10 watts over a supply voltage variation from 11 volts to 14.7 volts? I ask because I believe those ten watts are generated by Dmos devices as well. Do these devices only misbehave with varying supply voltage at higher (100w) power levels and lower supply voltages? > > Should I wait to purchase a K3S until this issue is resolved? (Assuming this is a valid issue) > > Back in the good old days we used to solve problems. Today we don't have problems, just issues. > From lists at subich.com Thu Oct 29 22:52:32 2015 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 22:52:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> Message-ID: <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> On 10/29/2015 5:53 PM, Luis V. Romero wrote: > > Processing issues heard on the air today simply make the discussion of final > amplifier spectral purity moot. > > Comparing processing issues and transmitter IMD are mixing apple and oranges. Processing issues generally affect the quality of signal *on channel* - the ability to understand the audio - whilst IMD is the "off frequency" splatter up/down the band that interferes with everyone *except* your own QSO. While both are important it is the IMD that represents a "spurious" signal outside the bandwidth required for communication - typically fie to ten KHz above and below the desired RF. 73, ... Joe, W4TV From rwnewbould at comcast.net Thu Oct 29 23:35:03 2015 From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 23:35:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> Message-ID: <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> Guys, This comment in no way is mean spirited, but truly a concern after reading all of this tech data. For those of us who do not have 100K in test equipment and a EE, I am starting to feel like I should not even get on the air. I get the concept, but the best I can do is make good clean connections, do not overdrive my audio and hope for the best. I have to have faith in the equipment builders or find a new hobby. Rich On 10/29/2015 10:52 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > On 10/29/2015 5:53 PM, Luis V. Romero wrote: >> >> Processing issues heard on the air today simply make the discussion >> of final >> amplifier spectral purity moot. >> >> > > Comparing processing issues and transmitter IMD are mixing apple and > oranges. Processing issues generally affect the quality of signal > *on channel* - the ability to understand the audio - whilst IMD is the > "off frequency" splatter up/down the band that interferes with everyone > *except* your own QSO. > > While both are important it is the IMD that represents a "spurious" > signal outside the bandwidth required for communication - typically > fie to ten KHz above and below the desired RF. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rwnewbould at comcast.net > From ron at cobi.biz Thu Oct 29 23:40:07 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 20:40:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: <5632B099.6040800@blomand.net> References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328C12.6000509@foothill.net> <56328EB5.6070907@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5632B099.6040800@blomand.net> Message-ID: <001801d112c4$ac399580$04acc080$@biz> I never assumed that Astron assumed their linear supplies were in metal enclosures for the purpose of shielding. They are, after all, linear supplies that would not normally require shielding. I'm not familiar with their switchers. Does bonding he case together reduce the RFI they create? It was my impression that they designed them to be clean as supplied. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob McGraw - K4TAX Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 4:50 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? It is amazing how many times I've found this to exist and how many times that I've written about this on various reflectors. The power coat paint on the chassis makes for an excellent insulator. If you have an Astron power supply and you have not checked to see that third pin ground is electrically connected to the chassis, or you have not checked to see that he outer shell is connected to the bottom shell, both being insulated by paint..........shame on you. This applies to all Aston supplies, both linear and switching. Remove the cover, remove the ground terminal where the green wire is attached, scrape away the paint, place an internal tooth lock washer between the terminal and chassis and reinstall the screw and nut. As to the shell, using 100# sandpaper, sand away the paint on the inside for an area about the size of a dime on both pieces, being the shell and pan, where the screws attach same. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/29/2015 4:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Thu,10/29/2015 2:13 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> The intermittent problem turned out to be paint under a lug with a >> loose screw. > > That seems to be a very common problem with Astrons -- the power > system "green wire" (safety ground) is soldered to the mounting lug of > a terminal strip, which is insulated from the chassis by paint. This > is a MAJOR violation of NEC. To make matters worse, the V- terminal is > soldered to the same lug. The combination makes the unit susceptible > to RFI. > > In one of my Astrons, the two sections of the chassis are insulated > from each other by paint, so the unit is essentially unshielded as well. > > I do NOT recommend bonding V- to the chassis, so when you're fixing > the paint problems, cut that jumper. There's no good reason for it. > > 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ron at elecraft.com From ron at cobi.biz Thu Oct 29 23:58:45 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 20:58:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001901d112c7$465f5620$d31e0260$@biz> Rich. I have been building radios since 1949 and a Ham since 1952. One of the first things I learned to appreciate is that good Hams operate their rigs to produce the cleanest signal possible. If it's a factory built, that means running it as recommended by the manufacturer. But that does not mean you are running the latest and most sophisticated rig on the air. At the risk of starting an O.T. thread, let me point out that it is 100% as legal and proper to run a 1948 El-tronics transmitter or a E.F. Johnson Viking I as it is a current K3S. Sure, the newer rig is likely cleaner than the old stuff, but that is not the issue. The sign of an A-1 operator is in getting the best out of what he has, not buying the best on the market. That has been true since the earliest days of Ham radio. And the FCC in the USA has always supported the idea. (The only thing that is NOT allowed is spark (damped wave) emissions.) When I was in school and started designing receivers for a hobby in the 1950's one of the first things I learned is that engineering is not about achieving perfection. It is achieving what is practical. All engineering is a trade-off - a compromise - between an imagined ideal and what is possible given the parts at hand, the time and money available. Amateur radio is a hobby. It's what we do for fun and in the USA the FCC supports that too. To heck with "phase noise" or other issues. If your rig chirps a bit when keyed or drifts a bit so I have to ride the VFO, I'll in line to work you and learn a bit about what you are running. And if it's a rig that should not be chirping in CW, or drifting a bit, I'll be first in line to offer my assistance if you want it. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:35 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage Guys, This comment in no way is mean spirited, but truly a concern after reading all of this tech data. For those of us who do not have 100K in test equipment and a EE, I am starting to feel like I should not even get on the air. I get the concept, but the best I can do is make good clean connections, do not overdrive my audio and hope for the best. I have to have faith in the equipment builders or find a new hobby. Rich From ron at cobi.biz Fri Oct 30 00:06:43 2015 From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:06:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] What is "Good Enough"? In-Reply-To: <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001a01d112c8$63b5c0f0$2b2142d0$@biz> Sorry. I did not see that Eric had closed the thread before I answered (the bane of reading the most recent posts first). So this is what I should have titled my replay to Rich. Welcome to Ham radio Rich. 73, Ron AC7AC From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 01:49:14 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 07:49:14 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <32BD3300523141A98DF951D6D26C6C01@DOUG1> References: <20151029090941.cb6c6879f85ba959f9627203@k5dkz.com> <20151029130650.f340ad2b320f83c4d281d962@k5dkz.com> <56326C3B.70005@audiosystemsgroup.com> <7341F004-41CD-4376-9BCD-A3E6210F6C10@elecraft.com> <20151029174157.466ebc821e4e527a1cac822c@k5dkz.com> <32BD3300523141A98DF951D6D26C6C01@DOUG1> Message-ID: As I think I remember, in California the limit was 1500 watts, unless you were calling an ATNO (all-time new one) in which case it was 5 kW. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On 30 Oct 2015, at 12:55 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > > Of course this is a comparison of these two amps. Please note that > 1500 Watts is only used for contests which we are allowed to use for some > contests in EI but not for regular operating where our power limit is 400W > output. From phystad at mac.com Fri Oct 30 02:01:18 2015 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 23:01:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? In-Reply-To: References: <13066902.1446132778750.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1C1AD59F-61DB-47B4-816F-19A355E97A54@mac.com> <56328D35.20003@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <53C0C28B-F927-4C7C-ADD2-9EF3A1229CB6@mac.com> What air conditioner? What do you need that for? > On Oct 29, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Marc Veeneman wrote: > > I agree with Jim, especially during air conditioning season. Why pay the electric company to heat with an Astron while I'm paying to cool with a Carrier? > > Switchers win this battle. > -- > Marc W8SDG > > > > >> On Oct 29, 2015, at 5:18 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >>> On Thu,10/29/2015 1:41 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: >>> I am yet another guy who leaves the Astron on 24x7 unless we leave for vacation of more than a day. >> >> You might not do that if you lived in W6, where, thanks to Enron, the cost of power is MUCH higher than in most of the US. In Chicago, my worst case differential cost of power was about $0.13/kWh; here in CA, it's in the range of $0.36/kWh. In Chicago, an Astron ran 24/7. In CA, I use the quietest, most efficient switcher I can find, supplementing it with solar panels during the summer months. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Oct 30 02:39:56 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 23:39:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> Message-ID: <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> Ham radio is a hobby for those who are willing to learn about how radio works. To obtain a license, we must pass a test that shows we know the fundamentals of radio and electronics. Some don't bother to do that, but instead cram by memorizing answers to a lot multiple guess questions. I view that as cheating. If they don't know anything when they're done, that's their own fault. Last I looked, ARRL license study material taught the fundamentals of electronics and radio, and at least a third of the ARRL Handbook is specifically written for those just beginning to learn it. I'd bet that the vast majority of those who put us on the moon, and a generation later a lander on Mars, first learned electronics from the ARRL Handbook! As hams, we are responsible for producing a reasonably clean signal and operating within the FCC Rules. Operators in other services like CB, commercial 2-way, and so on are not permitted to modify equipment, but we are! I also do my best to produce tutorial materials to share what I've learned. I AM an EE, but I also taught for five years (at DeVry in Chicago), and my goal has always been to try to make complicated things easier to understand. Like many OTs on this reflector, I passed my General exam in my first year of high school, and the Extra exam the summer after high school. All that study (and on air activity) made me want to study EE. :) All of these study materials require STUDY, not casual reading. Some of the concepts take a while to sink in, and with my work on RFI and ferrites, took me a LONG time to figure out. It is a combination of my own research and work with colleagues on the AES Standards Committee's Working Group on EMC. I have some nice test gear, but nothing even close to the $100K range -- much of the work I've done on clean transmitters has been with a P3/SVGA, and I'm planning to increase my measurement capabilities next year with one of the new under $1K ANAN radios. My VNWA cost $769, with shipping and a calibration kit. You don't have to set this stuff up and measure it yourself -- there's plenty of data on my website you can download and study. There's an excellent Power Point, mostly by K6XX, an EE at Elecraft, that shows virtually everything that's been discussed here in the thread on transmitter distortion. I've posted these links several times. There's a summary of ARRL measurements on transmitters that makes it easy to compare them. You and others can learn a lot by downloading and studying them. I learned a lot by doing the work to prepare them! CAPS added for emphasis. :) 73, Jim K9YC On Thu,10/29/2015 8:35 PM, Rich wrote: > For those of us who do not have 100K in test equipment and a EE, I am > starting to feel like I should not even get on the air. I get the > concept, but the best I can do is make good clean connections, do not > overdrive my audio and hope for the best. I have to have faith in the > equipment builders or find a new hobby. From w4rm at aol.com Fri Oct 30 05:21:24 2015 From: w4rm at aol.com (Bill OMara) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 05:21:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] TX ESSB for K3 and CM500 headset mic Message-ID: <006801d112f4$59219bb0$0b64d310$@aol.com> I'm looking for and TX ESSB input starting values for using the CM500 Headset / boom mic on the K3 (like Heil posts for the prosets). I just ordered a CM-500 and would like some feedback in the getting the two of these to work together for contests performance. Thanks for your help 73 Bill W4RM From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Oct 30 06:23:09 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 02:23:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Which of these would make the best power supply for the K3(S)? Message-ID: <201510301023.t9UANJ8a007289@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Just another accolade for the Astron PS. I bought a 35VM in 1980 to run my then new TS-180S and it has worked over the years without fail until last year when a couple pass transistors finally died...that is 34-years without failure! On my last job (retired in 2009) we had lots of Astron 20A's on board ships to run both HF and VHF Marine radios and they also survived well. We did lose a few when the ship's ac generator surged to 160vac. But that is not an uncommon situation on ships so they did well considering. I now run my station on a single Astron 50A which feeds thru some No. 6 welding wire to a 30A Buss master fuse. 14.2vdc at the PS is delivered as 13.7vdc at the radio shelf and runs a number of 100-170w amps and radios. Load usually doesn't exceed about 15A. I do have a 300w sspa but it runs on 28vdc and loads to 18A at full power (using a surplus MOT repeater PS). The 1kw 6m amp (surplus ch.2 TV driver) runs from a 50v-50A switching supply which runs off 240vac. You know that amp is very linear if it was used on TV. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Oct 30 08:10:05 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 07:10:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] TX ESSB for K3 and CM500 headset mic In-Reply-To: <006801d112f4$59219bb0$0b64d310$@aol.com> References: <006801d112f4$59219bb0$0b64d310$@aol.com> Message-ID: <56335E1D.8060309@blomand.net> I seem to think ESSB would not be desirable for contesting. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/30/2015 4:21 AM, Bill OMara via Elecraft wrote: > I'm looking for and TX ESSB input starting values for using the CM500 > Headset / boom mic on the K3 (like Heil posts for the prosets). > > > > I just ordered a CM-500 and would like some feedback in the getting the two > of these to work together for contests performance. > > From fshick at rochester.rr.com Fri Oct 30 10:00:51 2015 From: fshick at rochester.rr.com (Forest Shick) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:00:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer In-Reply-To: <563295DB.6080504@embarqmail.com> References: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <006601d11292$7a6fd690$6f4f83b0$@rochester.rr.com> <563295DB.6080504@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <000201d1131b$6326ffc0$2974ff40$@rochester.rr.com> That was too easy! I did as Bill suggested and used a Y connector. --... ...-- Forest WA2MZG -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3fpr at embarqmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 5:56 PM To: Forest Shick ; 'Martin Waller' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer Forest, That sounds like a problem between you and your computer. If you are specific about the computer you are using, perhaps someone with the same setup can help you. I think the solution (if any) will be found in the soundcard mixer. It may or may not allow the selection of Line Out plus speaker. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/29/2015 5:40 PM, Forest Shick wrote: > Thank you for all the information. > I set the MIC BTN to OFF and adjusted the MIC GAIN for 4 bars (ALC) and turned on VOX. > > I am able to TX and RX SSTV, PSK32 and RTTY. (No contacts mostly > receiving and transmitting into a dummy load until I have all the bugs > worked out.) > > BUT I have to disconnect the LINE OUT from the computer to monitor the received signal and then plug it back in to transmit. > > Plugging in the LINE OUT connector to the computer mutes the computer speaker. > > From lromero at ij.net Fri Oct 30 10:11:56 2015 From: lromero at ij.net (Luis V. Romero) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:11:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage Message-ID: <000001d1131c$efde4b70$cf9ae250$@ij.net> Joe and all: > >Comparing processing issues and transmitter IMD are mixing apple and >oranges. Processing issues generally affect the quality of signal >*on channel* - the ability to understand the audio - whilst IMD is the >"off frequency" splatter up/down the band that interferes with everyone >*except* your own QSO. > >While both are important it is the IMD that represents a "spurious" >signal outside the bandwidth required for communication - typically fie >to ten KHz above and below the desired RF. > Yes, I understand completely. From a "Real World Practical" standpoint, if I have a really clean transmitter with lovely IMD specifications and I stuff over compressed, highly processed, all compressor-limiter knobs to the right audio into it I will get completely unintelligible audio with wonderful technical specifications and still bother my neighbors. And don't forget. Some contesters *WANT* the scenario you described above. No sense in sweeping that under the rug! That's my point. I'm being responsible in keeping my IMD products from raising the noise floor on the bands, but the OB down the street with his FT101E, "Power Mic" and 4 EL509 sweep tube amp promptly blasts me out of the pileup. I'm not saying that the pursuit of technical excellence in amateur transmitters is a bad thing, but life is a constant compromise between technical excellence and "good enough". Sometimes "close enough! Now ship it so we can make a profit!" is the true measure of excellence in the real world. That doesn't mean we should accept poor engineering, all it means is that excellence is always a tradeoff, and not only about "numbers". Will the OB down the street care enough to change? That's the ultimate variable in the equation, isn't it? -lu- From jbollit at outlook.com Fri Oct 30 10:19:25 2015 From: jbollit at outlook.com (Jim Bolit) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 07:19:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage Message-ID: NO!!!!!! Us Californian's understand dB. If you ain't increasing power in 10 dB increments, don't bother. Eimac made 4CX10000's based on market demand in California. Don't ask me how I know this........... JimW6AIM . -------- Original message -------- From: Vic Rosenthal Date: 10/29/2015 10:50 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage As I think I remember, in California the limit was 1500 watts, unless you were calling an ATNO (all-time new one) in which case it was 5 kW. Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > On 30 Oct 2015, at 12:55 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > > Of course this is a comparison of these two amps. Please note that > 1500 Watts is only used for contests which we are allowed to use for some > contests in EI but not for regular operating where our power limit is 400W > output. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com From RDStraw at comcast.net Fri Oct 30 11:12:54 2015 From: RDStraw at comcast.net (RDStraw) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 08:12:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FCC Specs for marine SSB IMD compared to amateur specs Message-ID: <000f01d11325$74061b50$5c1251f0$@comcast.net> Comparing a marine SSB radio with an amateur radio for the transmitter cleanliness can be misleading. 47 CFR (code of Federal Regulations by the FCC) is for maritime radio stations. It says: 47 CFR Part 80, Maritime Stations FCC Rules and Regulations ? 80.211 Emission limitations. The emissions must be attenuated according to the following schedule. (a) The mean power when using emissions H3E, J3E and R3E: (1) On any frequency removed from the assigned frequency by more than 50 percent up to and including 150 percent of the authorized bandwidth: at least 25 dB for transmitters installed before February 1, 1992, at least 28 dB for transmitters installed on or after February 1, 1992; (2) On any frequency removed from the assigned frequency by more than 150 percent up to and including 250 percent of the authorized bandwidth: At least 35 dB; and (3) On any frequency removed from the assigned frequency by more than 250 percent of the authorized bandwidth: At least 43 plus 10log10 (mean power in watts) dB. Discussion: The 50% to 150% of authorized bandwidth (which for an SSB transmitter is 2.8 kHz) specs mean the 3rd and 5th order IMD products must be suppressed by at least 25 dB than the mean power output. For more than 150% up to 250% of authorized bandwidth the 7th and 9th order IMD products must be suppressed by at least 35 dB. Now the killer spec: the 43 dB plus 10 log10 (mean power) dB spec. For a 1500 W mean power output level, this spec amounts to 43 + 10 log10 (1500) = 74.76 dB down for IMD products higher than 11th order. This commercial specification is exceedingly difficult to meet, and few amateur amplifiers can come close to meeting this spec. Amateur gear is rarely capable of meeting the first half of the equation; i.e., only 43 dB down! Note that the stringent specs for higher-order IMD products mean in essence that the off-channel ?splatter? is much less for a commercial SSB transmitter than for an amateur radio transmitter. The output amplifier output load line for commercial transmitters is frequently ?tweaked? to balance the close-in (3rd and 5th order IMD products) with the greater than 11th higher order IMD products. Thus it is rather misleading to fixate on the 3rd and 5th IMD, while ignoring the higher-order products that are so annoying more than, say, 5 kHz away from the carrier frequency. To be really meaningful, listings for Transmitter IMD should be shown for the 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th and 11th order IMD products. You could make a case that 13th order IMD products should be shown also to complete the IMD profile. A systems approach would show the IMD for both the transceiver and linear amplifier together. 73, Dean, N6BV N6KR said: > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:39:23 -0700 > From: Wayne Burdick > To: jim > Cc: , > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Jim, > > This appears to *not* be true, at least for one radio lauded by those > concerned about TX IMD. > > Earlier this year there was a long forum thread on Eham.net lamenting the "fact" > that 12-V ham rigs were not as clean as 12-V marine rigs. One radio in > particular, the Icom M802, was touted by forum participants as having > far better IMD specs than any 12-V ham transceiver. > > We downloaded the manual for we this radio and found that Icom was > using the same devices and essentially the same amplifier circuit that > we were. Still, we gave them the benefit of the doubt and purchased a > new Icom M802 (from Amazon, $1813) to test in our own lab. > > We very carefully measured transmit IMD at 100 watts on several > channels, covering the full range of the HF marine band. Here is an > example plot from about 12.28 MHz: > > http://www.elecraft.com/Icom%20M802%20100-W%20IMD.jpeg > > This plot shows the two 3rd-order products being down by about 27 and > 30 dBc, respectively. A plot for the Elecraft K3 posted earlier on > this same forum showed these tones down 33 and 36 dBc--about a 6-dB > improvement over this particular marine radio. > > A bit on our test setup: We used a very clean 14.0 V DC power supply > with short cables, a high-performance analog 2-tone generator, and a > very hefty 50-ohm nonreactive dummy load. We set the top of the > spectral plot at 100 W and equalized the amplitude of the tones at -6 > dBc, consistent with the usual ARRL method. The tests were done by our > senior RF engineer, and I'm sure he was not overdriving the spectrum > analyzer :) > > Chances are that virtually all marine HF SSB radios being made today > are using the same 100-W MOSFET PAs that we and other ham > manufacturers do. As far as we can tell, there is no magic in the marine radios that is making them better. > On the other hand, their marketing department may be better funded. > > If you have another marine radio in mind that you think is using > different/better circuitry, please let me know so we can repeat this exercise if necessary. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 11:26:53 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 08:26:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Self changing tracking mode Message-ID: <56338C3D.1070509@gmail.com> Hello all, I'm seeing an issue on the SVGA side of the P3. In order to utilize the screen space more effectively I often use the CENTER control to shift my TX frequency to the left side up the display (when the DX is listening up) to show those calling on the right side of the display. [The alternative is to use the SPAN control, but much of the screen is under utilized.] This works great until I QSY or adjust the RX frequency. At that point the SVGA display no longer synchs with the P3 display so this is limited to only the SVGA portion. The shaded areas shift to anywhere on the SVGA display (1024x768), sometimes even swapping sides of the display. I have to revert to watching the P3 only. It stays with an incorrect display on the SVGA until I tap the fixed/track tune in the menu. Then it works properly, until the next time I slide the display to the side. I've not seen this mentioned on the list. Can someone else confirm this behavior? It appears to be a bug. I've reloaded the entire P3 firmware package, this situation remains. The P3 is functioning properly, this is solely an SVGA issue. Thanks in advance, Rick wa6nhc From rprather at mac.com Fri Oct 30 12:03:21 2015 From: rprather at mac.com (Rick Prather) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:03:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Self changing tracking mode In-Reply-To: <56338C3D.1070509@gmail.com> References: <56338C3D.1070509@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rick, I haven?t been able to duplicate what you describe. 73, Rick K6LE On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm seeing an issue on the SVGA side of the P3. > > In order to utilize the screen space more effectively I often use the > CENTER control to shift my TX frequency to the left side up the display > (when the DX is listening up) to show those calling on the right side of > the display. [The alternative is to use the SPAN control, but much of the > screen is under utilized.] > > This works great until I QSY or adjust the RX frequency. At that point > the SVGA display no longer synchs with the P3 display so this is limited to > only the SVGA portion. The shaded areas shift to anywhere on the SVGA > display (1024x768), sometimes even swapping sides of the display. I have > to revert to watching the P3 only. > > It stays with an incorrect display on the SVGA until I tap the fixed/track > tune in the menu. Then it works properly, until the next time I slide the > display to the side. > > I've not seen this mentioned on the list. Can someone else confirm this > behavior? It appears to be a bug. > > I've reloaded the entire P3 firmware package, this situation remains. The > P3 is functioning properly, this is solely an SVGA issue. > > Thanks in advance, > Rick wa6nhc > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rick.prather at gmail.com > From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 12:18:13 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:18:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Self changing tracking mode In-Reply-To: References: <56338C3D.1070509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56339845.8040704@gmail.com> More data points: I usually use FixMode set to 'static' and FixTrack set to 'Fixed tune mode'. I don't know how that factors in... It may be another cause, but by cycling FixTrack, I can get it to display properly AFTER I recenter the display to start over again. This happens consistently here. Thanks for checking your station. Rick nhc On 10/30/2015 9:03 AM, Rick Prather wrote: > Rick, > > I haven?t been able to duplicate what you describe. > > 73, > Rick > K6LE > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Rick WA6NHC > > wrote: > > Hello all, > > I'm seeing an issue on the SVGA side of the P3. > > In order to utilize the screen space more effectively I often use > the CENTER control to shift my TX frequency to the left side up > the display (when the DX is listening up) to show those calling on > the right side of the display. [The alternative is to use the > SPAN control, but much of the screen is under utilized.] > > This works great until I QSY or adjust the RX frequency. At that > point the SVGA display no longer synchs with the P3 display so > this is limited to only the SVGA portion. The shaded areas shift > to anywhere on the SVGA display (1024x768), sometimes even > swapping sides of the display. I have to revert to watching the > P3 only. > > It stays with an incorrect display on the SVGA until I tap the > fixed/track tune in the menu. Then it works properly, until the > next time I slide the display to the side. > > I've not seen this mentioned on the list. Can someone else > confirm this behavior? It appears to be a bug. > > I've reloaded the entire P3 firmware package, this situation > remains. The P3 is functioning properly, this is solely an SVGA > issue. > > Thanks in advance, > Rick wa6nhc > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rick.prather at gmail.com > > > From pauls at elecraft.com Fri Oct 30 12:41:40 2015 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:41:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Self changing tracking mode In-Reply-To: <56338C3D.1070509@gmail.com> References: <56338C3D.1070509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1446223300803-7609773.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Rick, This is a known issue and on the P3/SVGA bug list. Basically what is happening is that the SVGA does not follow the center frequency adjustment correctly. Most folks just use fixed tune mode instead of tracking mode with a movable center frequency. Kind regards, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-SVGA-Self-changing-tracking-mode-tp7609770p7609773.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From happymoosephoto at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 12:57:09 2015 From: happymoosephoto at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:57:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Self changing tracking mode In-Reply-To: <1446223300803-7609773.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <56338C3D.1070509@gmail.com> <1446223300803-7609773.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5633A165.6070705@gmail.com> Thank you Paul, I'll await a fix. Rick nhc On 10/30/2015 9:41 AM, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote: > Hi Rick, > > This is a known issue and on the P3/SVGA bug list. Basically what is > happening is that the SVGA does not follow the center frequency adjustment > correctly. Most folks just use fixed tune mode instead of tracking mode > with a movable center frequency. > > Kind regards, > > Paul > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-SVGA-Self-changing-tracking-mode-tp7609770p7609773.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to happymoosephoto at gmail.com From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Fri Oct 30 13:00:09 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:00:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5633A219.3080904@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> It seems to me that a good basic knowledge of electronics is enough, without spending a fortune on test equipment -- unless that appeals to you. The recent threads on power supplies and voltage at the transceiver is a good example. Sure, you can measure the drop with a good voltmeter, either measured across the wire, or measured at the terminals. You can also find a good set of wire tables, and calculate the drop across a given length of wire. If the drop is going to be too high, go to a higher gauge. Back to the DVM, you can check the connectors (resistance) and calculate the voltage drop at 100% power out. If you aren't sure, look at the fuses. The current will be lower than the fuse rating, so that gives you extra margin, which is never bad. Then you test. Hook up your dummy load, transmit CW at 100w (or in my case, about 12w), and see what you've got at the transceiver. If it sags, grab your DVM and measure the power terminals on the power supply. It's not that hard, and the necessary equipment can be had for under $40 or so. I'm a software guy. I know how many programmers it takes to change a lightbulb (they can't, it's a hardware problem). I can do this. So can you. This list is a great place to ask simple questions (and sometimes watch them get beaten into the ground). 73 -- Lynn On 10/29/2015 11:39 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > Ham radio is a hobby for those who are willing to learn about how > radio works. To obtain a license, we must pass a test that shows we > know the fundamentals of radio and electronics. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Oct 30 13:01:13 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:01:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <001901d11307$218c32b0$64a49810$@maine.rr.com> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <001901d11307$218c32b0$64a49810$@maine.rr.com> Message-ID: <5633A259.7040001@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,10/30/2015 4:35 AM, Harry White wrote: > What new ANAN radio are you referring to? http://www.gigaparts.com/Product-Lines/HF-6M-Radios/Apache-Labs-ANAN-10E-SDR.html > How will it improve your measurement capabilities? I'll use the receiver as a spectrum analyzer. It has greater dynamic range (big signals to small ones) and frequency resolution (a few Hz) than anything else currently in my arsenal, and it costs less than $1,000. > What is a VNWA? A Vector Network Analyzer. It can 1) measure the complex impedance of anything from an antenna to a complicated network, swept over frequency. "Complex" means it can separate R and X, and give magnitude and phase. 2) measure the gain through a network (like a bandpass filter), again both magnitude and phase 3) measure the reflection coefficient of a network, which provides SWR 4) do Time Domain Reflectometry (TDR) to measure the electrical length of a feedline, and to look for damage to it 5) export data to modeling programs like SimSmith, which can be used to design matching networks for antennas VNWA refers to a specific model of VNA designed by a German EE professor and built by hams in the UK. It's a little box that connects to the USB port of a Windows computer. Good questions. Thanks for asking. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Oct 30 13:06:36 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:06:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5633A39C.20505@audiosystemsgroup.com> Hi Chris, I have one. It is fine for looking at harmonics and standard IMD tests, but the ANAN 10e runs rings around it for spectrum analysis, and for $500 less. So does the VNWA for gain measurements, and for half the cost. Major limitation is that the frequency resolution isn't nearly fine enough to look at occupied bandwidth of ham gear. That's why I've been using P3/SVGA to look at ham rigs. Bottom line -- I wouldn't buy it again. 73, Jim K9YC On Fri,10/30/2015 6:10 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > Glad you keep posting, I keep learning. Can I ask, off list, what you > think of this? It's on my "wish list" at amazon. For my money, it > looks pretty good. > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CLWJA38/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_S_ttl > > 73, > > K1AY > Chris in Punta Gorda, FL > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 2:39 AM, Jim Brown wrote: >> Ham radio is a hobby for those who are willing to learn about how radio >> works. To obtain a license, we must pass a test that shows we know the >> fundamentals of radio and electronics. Some don't bother to do that, but >> instead cram by memorizing answers to a lot multiple guess questions. I view >> that as cheating. If they don't know anything when they're done, that's >> their own fault. >> >> Last I looked, ARRL license study material taught the fundamentals of >> electronics and radio, and at least a third of the ARRL Handbook is >> specifically written for those just beginning to learn it. I'd bet that the >> vast majority of those who put us on the moon, and a generation later a >> lander on Mars, first learned electronics from the ARRL Handbook! >> >> As hams, we are responsible for producing a reasonably clean signal and >> operating within the FCC Rules. Operators in other services like CB, >> commercial 2-way, and so on are not permitted to modify equipment, but we >> are! >> >> I also do my best to produce tutorial materials to share what I've learned. >> I AM an EE, but I also taught for five years (at DeVry in Chicago), and my >> goal has always been to try to make complicated things easier to understand. >> Like many OTs on this reflector, I passed my General exam in my first year >> of high school, and the Extra exam the summer after high school. All that >> study (and on air activity) made me want to study EE. :) >> >> All of these study materials require STUDY, not casual reading. Some of the >> concepts take a while to sink in, and with my work on RFI and ferrites, took >> me a LONG time to figure out. It is a combination of my own research and >> work with colleagues on the AES Standards Committee's Working Group on EMC. >> >> I have some nice test gear, but nothing even close to the $100K range -- >> much of the work I've done on clean transmitters has been with a P3/SVGA, >> and I'm planning to increase my measurement capabilities next year with one >> of the new under $1K ANAN radios. My VNWA cost $769, with shipping and a >> calibration kit. >> >> You don't have to set this stuff up and measure it yourself -- there's >> plenty of data on my website you can download and study. There's an >> excellent Power Point, mostly by K6XX, an EE at Elecraft, that shows >> virtually everything that's been discussed here in the thread on transmitter >> distortion. I've posted these links several times. There's a summary of ARRL >> measurements on transmitters that makes it easy to compare them. You and >> others can learn a lot by downloading and studying them. I learned a lot by >> doing the work to prepare them! >> >> CAPS added for emphasis. :) >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> On Thu,10/29/2015 8:35 PM, Rich wrote: >>> For those of us who do not have 100K in test equipment and a EE, I am >>> starting to feel like I should not even get on the air. I get the concept, >>> but the best I can do is make good clean connections, do not overdrive my >>> audio and hope for the best. I have to have faith in the equipment builders >>> or find a new hobby. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com > > From pauls at elecraft.com Fri Oct 30 13:07:42 2015 From: pauls at elecraft.com (Paul Saffren N6HZ) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:07:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Beta 1.37 now available for download Message-ID: <1446224862888-7609777.post@n2.nabble.com> A new BETA version of PX3 firmware is available for download from the Elecraft beta ftp webpage. This version fixes several bugs that were identified in 1.35 which introduced support for a USB keyboard. I would like to have some folks that are currently running 1.25 download and install the BETA and report their findings. If you are upgrading from 1.35 to 1.37 some settings such as REF LVL and SCALE will be reinitialized. If you find any bugs or issues, please email me directly (pauls at you know where dot com) For help downloading and installing PX3 beta releases, checkout "PX3 Beta Test Firmware Instructions" located here: http://www.elecraft.com/PX3/px3_beta_release_instructions.htm Beta firmware may be downloaded from here: ftp://elecraft.com/PX3/firmware/beta/px3m0137b.zip Release notes: MCU 1.37 / 10/23/2015 * Added Ctrl-H help screens to USB keyboard. Help is also available in macro/text message entry. * Embedding \c in a text message now may take an optional precision argument. i.e. \c3 specifies the counter value as a minimum of 3 digits. Default is 5 digits with no argument. Precision range is 1-9 digits. * Embedding \p in a text message will insert contents of replay buffer. * Use Alt-R to clear replay buffer without clearing text windows. * Keyboard macros 1-8 may now be set to execute using the PX3 front panel FN keys. (See: Text Menu) * Prevents creation of blank/empty macros/text messages. * Fixes red waterfall on 160 and 2 meters after upgrading. * Fixed missing CW elements with paddles after using keyboard. * Fixed missing macro/text message 1 display during edit when first powered up. * Fixed garbled bitmap saves when using PX3 Utility. Kind regards, Paul -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/PX3-Beta-1-37-now-available-for-download-tp7609777.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From k9fd at flex.com Fri Oct 30 13:10:25 2015 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 07:10:25 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5633A481.3020200@flex.com> Several years back I had obtained some excellent 4cx5 and 4cx10k tubes, they were a little more juice than my house mains power could handle, so I sold them .. the pair of 4cx10k went to a ham in CA who was "upgrading" his amp that used a pair of 4cx5K at the time, easy upgrade since the sockets are the same etc. There were several 4cx10K amps in the St Louis area at that time so its not just a CA option. THis was before Elecraft.. so OT I suspect. 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 > NO!!!!!! Us Californian's understand dB. If you ain't increasing power in 10 dB increments, don't bother. > Eimac made 4CX10000's based on market demand in California. > Don't ask me how I know this........... > JimW6AIM > > . > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Vic Rosenthal > Date: 10/29/2015 10:50 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage > > As I think I remember, in California the limit was 1500 watts, unless you were calling an ATNO (all-time new one) in which case it was 5 kW. > > Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO > >> On 30 Oct 2015, at 12:55 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: >> >> Of course this is a comparison of these two amps. Please note that >> 1500 Watts is only used for contests which we are allowed to use for some >> contests in EI but not for regular operating where our power limit is 400W >> output. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jbollit at outlook.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9fd at flex.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Oct 30 13:10:32 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 10:10:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer In-Reply-To: <000201d1131b$6326ffc0$2974ff40$@rochester.rr.com> References: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <006601d11292$7a6fd690$6f4f83b0$@rochester.rr.com> <563295DB.6080504@embarqmail.com> <000201d1131b$6326ffc0$2974ff40$@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <5633A488.9020009@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,10/30/2015 7:00 AM, Forest Shick wrote: > That was too easy! I did as Bill suggested and used a Y connector. I found another useful part on amazon. It's a StarTech cable adapter with an RTTS plug that splits headphones to an RTS jack and the mic to another RTS jack. Under $5 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004SP0WAQ?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00 Just received it a few days ago. It looks fairly robust for a low cost consumer product. 73, Jim K9YC From eric at elecraft.com Fri Oct 30 12:33:37 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:33:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56339BE1.3000504@elecraft.com> This thread is now closed. We're drifting way off topic.(We asked that it be would down last night.) 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 10/30/2015 7:19 AM, Jim Bolit wrote: > NO!!!!!! Us Californian's understand dB. If you ain't increasing power in 10 dB increments, don't bother. > Eimac made 4CX10000's based on market demand in California. > Don't ask me how I know this........... > JimW6AIM > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Oct 30 14:12:25 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 11:12:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <5633A219.3080904@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633A219.3080904@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <5633B309.8040105@audiosystemsgroup.com> Exactly right, Lynn! 73, Jim K9YC On Fri,10/30/2015 10:00 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > It seems to me that a good basic knowledge of electronics is enough, > without spending a fortune on test equipment -- unless that appeals to > you. > > The recent threads on power supplies and voltage at the transceiver is > a good example. > > Sure, you can measure the drop with a good voltmeter, either measured > across the wire, or measured at the terminals. > > You can also find a good set of wire tables, and calculate the drop > across a given length of wire. If the drop is going to be too high, > go to a higher gauge. > > Back to the DVM, you can check the connectors (resistance) and > calculate the voltage drop at 100% power out. > > If you aren't sure, look at the fuses. The current will be lower than > the fuse rating, so that gives you extra margin, which is never bad. > > Then you test. Hook up your dummy load, transmit CW at 100w (or in my > case, about 12w), and see what you've got at the transceiver. > > If it sags, grab your DVM and measure the power terminals on the power > supply. > > It's not that hard, and the necessary equipment can be had for under > $40 or so. From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 14:23:13 2015 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:23:13 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] TX ESSB for K3 and CM500 headset mic In-Reply-To: <006801d112f4$59219bb0$0b64d310$@aol.com> References: <006801d112f4$59219bb0$0b64d310$@aol.com> Message-ID: Bill, The idea of using ESSB in a contesting situation is bizarre. Why? IMO, ESSB has no place on our (usually) crowded bands, and especially not in a contest. 73 From kengkopp at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 14:28:52 2015 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:28:52 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] TX ESSB for K3 and CM500 headset mic In-Reply-To: References: <006801d112f4$59219bb0$0b64d310$@aol.com> Message-ID: "Rose' didn't post this message ... I did ... by mistake by using her e-mail account instead of mine. (;-) 73 - K0PP On Oct 30, 2015 12:23 PM, "Rose" wrote: > Bill, > > The idea of using ESSB in a contesting situation is bizarre. Why? > > IMO, ESSB has no place on our (usually) crowded bands, and especially not > in a contest. > > 73 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From k9fd at flex.com Fri Oct 30 14:35:31 2015 From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 08:35:31 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] Power output from KVX3 In-Reply-To: <5633A39C.20505@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633A39C.20505@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5633B873.2050106@flex.com> I have been using the output on the KVX3 on the 475khz band and it has worked great, can adjust it from .1 to 1.5mw, I have been running it at .4mw driving an amplifier, This morning I noticed that the power control no longer adjusts the power output, no matter the setting, its at some unknown power, maybe full power? but I cannot change the output any longer, Any ideas if there is something I could have changed or perhaps the KVX3 has gone south? Thanks 73 Merv K9FD/KH6 From fcady at montana.edu Fri Oct 30 14:57:17 2015 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:57:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KE7X "The Elecraft K3 and P3, 3rd. Edition -- Incorporating the KXV3B and KIO3B" Message-ID: Hello all, Just Released: This book covers the details you need to effectively operate the Elecraft K3 and P3. If you are thinking about buying a used Elecraft K3, this book will help you review the options that may be in your proposed purchase. Many options are still available. Some are no longer available, usually due to components being no longer available, and some can be replaced by newer K3S modules. We briefly describe these and cover in more detail the popular KXV3B Transverter and Receive Antenna Interface and the KIO3B I/O Interface while comparing them with their K3 predecessors. If you all ready have a copy of "The Elecraft K3 - Design, Configuration, and Operation, 2nd Edition", you might consider purchasing "Upgrading the K3 with K3s Components". If you want all your information in one place, this is the book for you. You might also consider "The Elecraft KPA500 Amplifier and KAT500 Tuner" if you are going to add these to your basic K3 and P3 station. Printed, spiral coil bound copies are available from www.lulu.com, as is the PDF downloadable version. You can also purchase the PDF version from KE7X. See www.ke7x.com for full tables of contents and Frequently Asked Questions and ordering information. 73, Fred KE7X From riese-k3djc at juno.com Fri Oct 30 15:14:27 2015 From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:14:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: TX ESSB for K3 and CM500 headset mic Message-ID: but its true non the less Bob K3DJC "Rose' didn't post this message ... I did ... by mistake by using her e-mail account instead of mine. (;-) 73 - K0PP On Oct 30, 2015 12:23 PM, "Rose" wrote: > Bill, > > The idea of using ESSB in a contesting situation is bizarre. Why? > > IMO, ESSB has no place on our (usually) crowded bands, and especially not > in a contest. > > 73 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to riese-k3djc at juno.com From augie.hansen at comcast.net Fri Oct 30 15:25:43 2015 From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie "Gus" Hansen) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:25:43 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer In-Reply-To: <5633A488.9020009@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <006601d11292$7a6fd690$6f4f83b0$@rochester.rr.com> <563295DB.6080504@embarqmail.com> <000201d1131b$6326ffc0$2974ff40$@rochester.rr.com> <5633A488.9020009@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5633C437.9060706@comcast.net> Hi Jim, > ... > I found another useful part on amazon. It's a StarTech cable adapter > with an RTTS plug that splits headphones to an RTS jack and the mic to > another RTS jack. Under $5 > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004SP0WAQ?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00 > I think you mean TRRS (tip-ring-ring-sleeve) plug and TRS (tip-ring-sleeve) jacks. 73, Gus Hansen KB0YH From eric at elecraft.com Fri Oct 30 15:38:15 2015 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:38:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] TX ESSB for K3 and CM500 headset mic In-Reply-To: References: <006801d112f4$59219bb0$0b64d310$@aol.com> Message-ID: <5633C727.6000508@elecraft.com> Guys - I'm going to close this thread -immediately- as arguing pro-con on ESSB is outside of our list guidelines. There are plenty of other venues to do that. Let's keep it primarily Elecraft focused here with a smattering of other non-controversial ham radio topics ;-) 73, Eric List moderation, for real.. /elecraft.com/ On 10/30/2015 11:28 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > "Rose' didn't post this message ... I did ... by mistake by using her > e-mail account instead of mine. (;-) > > 73 - K0PP > On Oct 30, 2015 12:23 PM, "Rose" wrote: > >> Bill, >> >> The idea of using ESSB in a contesting situation is bizarre. Why? >> >> IMO, ESSB has no place on our (usually) crowded bands, and especially not >> in a contest. >> >> 73 >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com > From pincon at erols.com Fri Oct 30 15:58:55 2015 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:58:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage In-Reply-To: <000001d1131c$efde4b70$cf9ae250$@ij.net> References: <000001d1131c$efde4b70$cf9ae250$@ij.net> Message-ID: <006301d1134d$6d3403f0$479c0bd0$@erols.com> Yep, I remember a certain net control op claiming to put his rig into "war" mode during a weekly Sunday net when competing with the incessant "seeque keyontest" encroachment. He was running a grid driven 4CX-1000A . All he had to do was drive it so a few milliamps of grid current showed and like magic, the frequency was clear. This was the "street-sweeper" * of radio set-ups and pretty guaranteed a QRM free frequency for the net. Not sayin' I condone such antics, but it WAS effective. 73, Charlie k3ICH * Street-Sweeper, a rotary magazine 12 shot, 12 Ga semi-automatic shotgun. Sorta looks like fat version of the popular Thompson machine gun. Yes, I understand completely. From a "Real World Practical" standpoint, if I have a really clean transmitter with lovely IMD specifications and I stuff over compressed, highly processed, all compressor-limiter knobs to the right audio into it I will get completely unintelligible audio with wonderful technical specifications and still bother my neighbors. And don't forget. Some contesters *WANT* the scenario you described above. No sense in sweeping that under the rug! From n1al at sonic.net Fri Oct 30 16:13:32 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:13:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <5633A39C.20505@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633A39C.20505@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5633CF6C.6050808@sonic.net> I have a "Signal Hound" USB-SA-44B, which is a 1 Hz to 4.4 GHz spectrum analyzer that uses a PC for power and the user interface. It currently goes for $919. I've been pretty happy with it. https://signalhound.com/ They also offer an optional USB-TG44A tracking generator for $599, which I don't have. Alan N1AL On 10/30/2015 10:06 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > Hi Chris, > > I have one. It is fine for looking at harmonics and standard IMD tests, > but the ANAN 10e runs rings around it for spectrum analysis, and for > $500 less. So does the VNWA for gain measurements, and for half the > cost. Major limitation is that the frequency resolution isn't nearly > fine enough to look at occupied bandwidth of ham gear. That's why I've > been using P3/SVGA to look at ham rigs. Bottom line -- I wouldn't buy it > again. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On Fri,10/30/2015 6:10 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: >> Glad you keep posting, I keep learning. Can I ask, off list, what you >> think of this? It's on my "wish list" at amazon. For my money, it >> looks pretty good. >> >> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CLWJA38/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_S_ttl >> >> 73, >> >> K1AY >> Chris in Punta Gorda, FL >> From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Fri Oct 30 16:34:50 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 12:34:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio Message-ID: <201510302034.t9UKYo98005326@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Jim, Could resist but to reply (keep your sense of humor hat on!): ------------------------------ From: Jim Brown To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio Message-ID: <563310BC.8080601 at audiosystemsgroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Ham radio is a hobby for those who are willing to learn about how radio works. To obtain a license, we must pass a test that shows we know the fundamentals of radio and electronics. Some don't bother to do that, but instead cram by memorizing answers to a lot multiple guess questions. I view that as cheating. If they don't know anything when they're done, that's their own fault. ------------------------------- Yep, that's how I passed tests in college and got rewarded with a degree. REAL learning came later on the job. ------------------------------- Last I looked, ARRL license study material taught the fundamentals of electronics and radio, and at least a third of the ARRL Handbook is specifically written for those just beginning to learn it. I'd bet that the vast majority of those who put us on the moon, and a generation later a lander on Mars, first learned electronics from the ARRL Handbook! ------------------------------- There you go again. My Novice at age 14 lead to degrees in math & engineering and ultimately a job with NASA/JPL where I helped land the first s/c on Mars: Viking-I on July 4, 1976! The fact it took me until 1982 to Advanced Class and 2000 to Extra - while holding a 2nd Class Radiotelephone since 1971 is a bit absurd. ------------------------------- As hams, we are responsible for producing a reasonably clean signal and operating within the FCC Rules. Operators in other services like CB, commercial 2-way, and so on are not permitted to modify equipment, but we are! ------------------------------- And that is special. Of course hams were among the pioneers of early radio before there were even kits. ------------------------------- I also do my best to produce tutorial materials to share what I've learned. I AM an EE, but I also taught for five years (at DeVry in Chicago), and my goal has always been to try to make complicated things easier to understand. Like many OTs on this reflector, I passed my General exam in my first year of high school, and the Extra exam the summer after high school. All that study (and on air activity) made me want to study EE. :) ------------------------------- At age 8 (1952) I wanted to be a "rocket scientist or space cadet" (later called astronaut). At age 14 it was clear I was not fit enough to do that but smart enough to be part of the party (an engineer). College took a little of the hubris away ------------------------------- All of these study materials require STUDY, not casual reading. Some of the concepts take a while to sink in, and with my work on RFI and ferrites, took me a LONG time to figure out. It is a combination of my own research and work with colleagues on the AES Standards Committee's Working Group on EMC. I have some nice test gear, but nothing even close to the $100K range -- much of the work I've done on clean transmitters has been with a P3/SVGA, and I'm planning to increase my measurement capabilities next year with one of the new under $1K ANAN radios. My VNWA cost $769, with shipping and a calibration kit. ------------------------------------ Has taken me some time to get a little test equipment - its all old stuff like my HP141T (same model I used working at Goldstone in mid 1970's). Much is acquired not fully working. Good to have 30+ years of radio repair experience. ------------------------------------ You don't have to set this stuff up and measure it yourself -- there's plenty of data on my website you can download and study. There's an excellent Power Point, mostly by K6XX, an EE at Elecraft, that shows virtually everything that's been discussed here in the thread on transmitter distortion. I've posted these links several times. There's a summary of ARRL measurements on transmitters that makes it easy to compare them. You and others can learn a lot by downloading and studying them. I learned a lot by doing the work to prepare them! ----------------------------------- And thanks to several, like you, who share the "wealth" unlike the "back stabbing" bunch I used to work with. That is REALLY the shining example that is ham radio - those who share for free! ----------------------------------- CAPS added for emphasis. :) 73, Jim K9YC 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Oct 30 16:53:59 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:53:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to Computer In-Reply-To: <5633C437.9060706@comcast.net> References: <000001d111c3$5a521a00$0ef64e00$@rochester.rr.com> <908986974.6767064.1446067269138.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <006601d11292$7a6fd690$6f4f83b0$@rochester.rr.com> <563295DB.6080504@embarqmail.com> <000201d1131b$6326ffc0$2974ff40$@rochester.rr.com> <5633A488.9020009@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633C437.9060706@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5633D8E7.6030100@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,10/30/2015 12:25 PM, Augie "Gus" Hansen wrote: > I think you mean TRRS (tip-ring-ring-sleeve) plug and TRS > (tip-ring-sleeve) jacks. Right. :) 73, Jim From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Oct 30 16:59:27 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 13:59:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <5633CF6C.6050808@sonic.net> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633A39C.20505@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633CF6C.6050808@sonic.net> Message-ID: <5633DA2F.8040602@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Fri,10/30/2015 1:13 PM, Alan wrote: > I have a "Signal Hound" USB-SA-44B, which is a 1 Hz to 4.4 GHz > spectrum analyzer that uses a PC for power and the user interface. It > currently goes for $919. I've been pretty happy with it. > > https://signalhound.com/ > > They also offer an optional USB-TG44A tracking generator for $599, > which I don't have. Interesting. What's the dynamic range -- i.e., how much can you display on-screen? 73, Jim K9YC From Hamshack at N4ST.com Fri Oct 30 17:49:35 2015 From: Hamshack at N4ST.com (Jim - N4ST) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 21:49:35 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Transmit Audio Dropouts Message-ID: <008601d1135c$e34cb870$a9e62950$@N4ST.com> I just received a new factory built K3S. It has a weird transmit audio dropout problem. On 6, 10 & 12 meters, there is a momentary loss of transmit audio every 15 seconds. Occurs with DATA A, SSB modes. CW is clean. Problem occurs with internal or external sound card and even with the built-in 2 tone test. The audio dropout is repeatable and precisely formed as two 10 ms dropouts separated by 15 ms and the pattern repeats every 15 seconds. Been working with Elecraft support for 3 days, but they are running out of ideas. It really looks like a firmware bug given that the timing and waveform characteristics are 100% repeatable and lack any randomness factor. But, why just on the three upper bands? Why are those bands unique? (besides the incorporation of Preamp 2). Has anyone else seen this? Any ideas? ________ 73, Jim - N4ST From n1al at sonic.net Fri Oct 30 18:21:36 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:21:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <5633DA2F.8040602@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633A39C.20505@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633CF6C.6050808@sonic.net> <5633DA2F.8040602@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5633ED70.9030405@sonic.net> On 10/30/2015 01:59 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Fri,10/30/2015 1:13 PM, Alan wrote: >> I have a "Signal Hound" USB-SA-44B, which is a 1 Hz to 4.4 GHz >> spectrum analyzer that uses a PC for power and the user interface. It >> currently goes for $919. I've been pretty happy with it. >> >> https://signalhound.com/ >> >> They also offer an optional USB-TG44A tracking generator for $599, >> which I don't have. > > Interesting. What's the dynamic range -- i.e., how much can you display > on-screen? > > 73, Jim K9YC You can set the dB/div scale for pretty much anything you want. 40 dB/div gives 400 dB display range, but of course that's not useful. With a -10 dBm signal from an HP 8656B signal generator at 18.116 MHz, span = 10 kHz and resolution bandwidth = 3.2 Hz, I see that the noise is a bit less than -110 dBm at the edges (away from the phase noise near the carrier). So >100 dB dynamic range with those settings. With a narrow enough span you can set the RBW all the way down to 0.1 Hz, but at a really slow update rate. (e.g. 37 seconds with 100 Hz span) One thing I like about this unit is that it covers all the way down to low audio frequencies (1 Hz), which is rare in a microwave spectrum analyzer. Alan N1AL From hsherriff at reagan.com Fri Oct 30 19:37:16 2015 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (hsherriff) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:37:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio Message-ID: I have the same unit with the tracking gen. Great setup. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Alan Date: 10/30/2015 6:21 PM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio On 10/30/2015 01:59 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Fri,10/30/2015 1:13 PM, Alan wrote: >> I have a "Signal Hound" USB-SA-44B, which is a 1 Hz to 4.4 GHz >> spectrum analyzer that uses a PC for power and the user interface.? It >> currently goes for $919.? I've been pretty happy with it. >> >> https://signalhound.com/ >> >> They also offer an optional USB-TG44A tracking generator for $599, >> which I don't have. > > Interesting. What's the dynamic range -- i.e., how much can you display > on-screen? > > 73, Jim K9YC You can set the dB/div scale for pretty much anything you want.? 40 dB/div gives 400 dB display range, but of course that's not useful. With a -10 dBm signal from an HP 8656B signal generator at 18.116 MHz, span = 10 kHz and resolution bandwidth = 3.2 Hz, I see that the noise is a bit less than -110 dBm at the edges (away from the phase noise near the carrier). So >100 dB dynamic range with those settings. With a narrow enough span you can set the RBW all the way down to 0.1 Hz, but at a really slow update rate.? (e.g. 37 seconds with 100 Hz span) One thing I like about this unit is that it covers all the way down to low audio frequencies (1 Hz), which is rare in a microwave spectrum analyzer. Alan N1AL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From wes at triconet.org Fri Oct 30 22:56:34 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 19:56:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <5633DA2F.8040602@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633A39C.20505@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633CF6C.6050808@sonic.net> <5633DA2F.8040602@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <56342DE2.3060806@triconet.org> Before springing for this I would suggest reading the RSGB review. On 10/30/2015 1:59 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Fri,10/30/2015 1:13 PM, Alan wrote: >> I have a "Signal Hound" USB-SA-44B, which is a 1 Hz to 4.4 GHz spectrum >> analyzer that uses a PC for power and the user interface. It currently goes >> for $919. I've been pretty happy with it. >> >> https://signalhound.com/ >> >> They also offer an optional USB-TG44A tracking generator for $599, which I >> don't have. > > Interesting. What's the dynamic range -- i.e., how much can you display > on-screen? > > 73, Jim K9YC From ka5s at earthlink.net Sat Oct 31 00:10:02 2015 From: ka5s at earthlink.net (CR) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 00:10:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 138, Issue 45 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56343F1A.7040208@earthlink.net> On 10/30/2015 2:57 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > I'd bet that > the vast majority of those who put us on the moon, and a generation > later a lander on Mars, first learned electronics from the ARRL Handbook! How to Become a Radio Amateur. Just about when everyone was searching the sky for Sputnik I was building a coil-gun that could (heh) have shot it down with maybe a FEW improvements - mine wouldn't go through the wallboard - and between Dad and the Landlord I never got around to working on it again. Dad had me building the 2-6AQ5 (+ 5Y3 PS) regenerative receiver from HTBARA. Cortland KA5S From vk3od at yahoo.com Sat Oct 31 00:36:48 2015 From: vk3od at yahoo.com (Charlie Delta) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 21:36:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] IMD and supply voltage Message-ID: <1446266208.20910.YahooMailBasic@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Hi Wayne How about these ham transceivers? I pulled the data from my saved QST reviews of these radios that I have owned in the past. I do recall that they did have transmitter IMD data that was head and shoulders above what was available when they were released. This data is from the QST reviews and not my owned measured data. All these radios operated on a 12 volt supply. FT990 3rd -38 5th -47 FT767 3rd -40 5th -45 TS450 3rd -35 5th -49 IC737 3rd -39 5th -48 The higher order data from the QST reviews indicated a rapid fall off above the 5th to the 11th order. Low IMD figures while operating from a 12 volt power supply certainly seems to be realizable. 73 Craig "If you have another marine radio in mind that you think is using different/better circuitry, please let me know so we can repeat this exercise if necessary. 73, Wayne N6KR" From ka5s at earthlink.net Sat Oct 31 00:48:46 2015 From: ka5s at earthlink.net (CR) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 00:48:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5634482E.7060500@earthlink.net> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39:56 Jim K9YC wrote: > I AM an EE, but I also taught for five years (at DeVry in > Chicago), and my goal has always been to try to make complicated things > easier to understand. I've worked in EMC since retiring from the Army in 1983 (was an avionics instructor there for 4 years myself), and been up and down the ladder in engineering positions (best paid was 5 years as R&D's EMC design engineer at Alacatel USA in Petaluma; most interesting a 2-turned-8-months contract in Washington working on AED's). This, despite never did taking any college engineering courses or getting a degree. Playing with electronics since I was a kid was a good start, and 21 years in comms and avionics in the Army encouraged troubleshooting skills and understanding. I still got an occasional contract (a couple earlier this year) since retiring at GE Aviation; experience teaches lessons most degree programs don't. The HPJIE paid for some cool if ancient test equipment; directional couplers, scopes to monitor RF envelopes counters and SA's to look at the spectrum as needed (and be sure my local extended band AMBC station goes to nighttime power on schedule and their coax doesn't arc over again). The questions might be on the test, but the ANSWERS are wild in the world, you know? Cortland KA5S From n1al at sonic.net Sat Oct 31 00:51:42 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 21:51:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <56342DE2.3060806@triconet.org> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633A39C.20505@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633CF6C.6050808@sonic.net> <5633DA2F.8040602@audiosystemsgroup.com> <56342DE2.3060806@triconet.org> Message-ID: <563448DE.9060200@sonic.net> On 10/30/2015 07:56 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > Before springing for this I would suggest reading the RSGB review. I found on the Signal Hound web site a copy of a review by G4DDK in September 2011 RADCOM (Journal of the RSGB). Is that the one you are referring to? https://signalhound.com/sigdownloads/SA44B/SA44B-IndependentReview.pdf The only major complaint he had was that the screen update rate is slow for wide sweeps. (OK for narrow sweeps) He concluded: Overall I was very pleased with the performance of the SA44B. If I didn't already possess a good spectrum analyser I could be very tempted to buy one of these. The TG44 is perfectly useable and has excellent frequency coverage. (The TG44 is the optional tracking generator.) Alan N1AL > > On 10/30/2015 1:59 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On Fri,10/30/2015 1:13 PM, Alan wrote: >>> I have a "Signal Hound" USB-SA-44B, which is a 1 Hz to 4.4 GHz >>> spectrum analyzer that uses a PC for power and the user interface. >>> It currently goes for $919. I've been pretty happy with it. >>> >>> https://signalhound.com/ >>> >>> They also offer an optional USB-TG44A tracking generator for $599, >>> which I don't have. >> >> Interesting. What's the dynamic range -- i.e., how much can you >> display on-screen? >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n1al at sonic.net > From skjasper at att.net Sat Oct 31 01:23:06 2015 From: skjasper at att.net (NE9U - Jasper) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 00:23:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa500 doesnt follow k3 Message-ID: <062674AB-522C-4709-9A45-8F91663D52F7@att.net> Just hooked a new kpa500 to a k3. when switching bands on the k3, the kpa500 doesnt follow. it does follow when i apply power. the reverse does work....if i switch bands on the kpa500, the k3 follows. tried 2 different auxillary cables...same result with both. am i missing some setting i need to change? scott ne9u Sent from Republic Wireless Cray-1 From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Oct 31 01:28:10 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 22:28:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa500 doesnt follow k3 In-Reply-To: <062674AB-522C-4709-9A45-8F91663D52F7@att.net> References: <062674AB-522C-4709-9A45-8F91663D52F7@att.net> Message-ID: <58B7DD5E-3129-4C81-AA32-6940941BC068@me.com> Let?s make sure the K3 and KPA are communicating. When you power on the KPA, does the K3 indicate that something changed? It should display the KPA power event on the display. If not: * what cable are you using between the K3 and the KPA? * Check the RADIO setting in the KPA. It should be set to K3. Is there anything else connected to the AUX IO ports on either the K3 or KPA? - Jack Brindle, W6FB Elecraft Engineering > > On Oct 30, 2015, at 10:23 PM, NE9U - Jasper wrote: > > Just hooked a new kpa500 to a k3. > > when switching bands on the k3, the kpa500 doesnt follow. it does follow when i apply power. > > the reverse does work....if i switch bands on the kpa500, the k3 follows. > > tried 2 different auxillary cables...same result with both. > > am i missing some setting i need to change? > > scott ne9u > > > Sent from Republic Wireless Cray-1 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From skjasper at att.net Sat Oct 31 01:44:04 2015 From: skjasper at att.net (NE9U - Jasper) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 00:44:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa500 doesnt follow k3 In-Reply-To: <58B7DD5E-3129-4C81-AA32-6940941BC068@me.com> References: <062674AB-522C-4709-9A45-8F91663D52F7@att.net> <58B7DD5E-3129-4C81-AA32-6940941BC068@me.com> Message-ID: <87F6DFCC-A60A-449D-B710-C9C2CD1EAFAF@att.net> yes, the k3 recognizes when the kpa500 is turned on. the cables are e850463. ( i also have a new kat500....i get same result whether i have it or out of line) radio setting in kpa500 is set to k3 i also updated all firmware yesterday thinking that might help....no change. scott Sent from Republic Wireless Cray-1 > On Oct 31, 2015, at 12:28 AM, Jack Brindle wrote: > > Let?s make sure the K3 and KPA are communicating. When you power on the KPA, does the K3 indicate that something changed? It should display > the KPA power event on the display. If not: > * what cable are you using between the K3 and the KPA? > * Check the RADIO setting in the KPA. It should be set to K3. > > Is there anything else connected to the AUX IO ports on either the K3 or KPA? > > - Jack Brindle, W6FB > Elecraft Engineering > >> >> On Oct 30, 2015, at 10:23 PM, NE9U - Jasper wrote: >> >> Just hooked a new kpa500 to a k3. >> >> when switching bands on the k3, the kpa500 doesnt follow. it does follow when i apply power. >> >> the reverse does work....if i switch bands on the kpa500, the k3 follows. >> >> tried 2 different auxillary cables...same result with both. >> >> am i missing some setting i need to change? >> >> scott ne9u >> >> >> Sent from Republic Wireless Cray-1 >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com > From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Oct 31 02:41:45 2015 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 23:41:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa500 doesnt follow k3 In-Reply-To: <87F6DFCC-A60A-449D-B710-C9C2CD1EAFAF@att.net> References: <062674AB-522C-4709-9A45-8F91663D52F7@att.net> <58B7DD5E-3129-4C81-AA32-6940941BC068@me.com> <87F6DFCC-A60A-449D-B710-C9C2CD1EAFAF@att.net> Message-ID: <52A72B39-E077-414D-AA10-882ACA6EA603@me.com> Did you build this from a kit or purchase it built? Is there anything else that seems off? Does the KAT500 change bands when the K3 changes bands? When RADIO=K3, the KPA observes the band lines from the K3 to determine the band it should be on. When it sees the band lines change, it will change bands. When it senses RF it does a double-check, and will switch bands again if the mefrequency-counted RF does not agree with what the band lines indicate. So at this point we need to determine that the K3 BAND signals are indeed switching, and if the cables inside the KP500 are properly seated. This would be the cable on the far left when viewing the KPA from the front. If it is off, either at the front panel or at the IO board, you might see this sort of problem. But I would expect you to see other problems as well. The answers to these questions should provide some light. - Jack, W6FB > On Oct 30, 2015, at 10:44 PM, NE9U - Jasper wrote: > > yes, the k3 recognizes when the kpa500 is turned on. > > the cables are e850463. ( i also have a new kat500....i get same result whether i have it or out of line) > > radio setting in kpa500 is set to k3 > > i also updated all firmware yesterday thinking that might help....no change. > > scott > > > > > Sent from Republic Wireless Cray-1 > >> On Oct 31, 2015, at 12:28 AM, Jack Brindle wrote: >> >> Let?s make sure the K3 and KPA are communicating. When you power on the KPA, does the K3 indicate that something changed? It should display >> the KPA power event on the display. If not: >> * what cable are you using between the K3 and the KPA? >> * Check the RADIO setting in the KPA. It should be set to K3. >> >> Is there anything else connected to the AUX IO ports on either the K3 or KPA? >> >> - Jack Brindle, W6FB >> Elecraft Engineering >> >>> >>> On Oct 30, 2015, at 10:23 PM, NE9U - Jasper wrote: >>> >>> Just hooked a new kpa500 to a k3. >>> >>> when switching bands on the k3, the kpa500 doesnt follow. it does follow when i apply power. >>> >>> the reverse does work....if i switch bands on the kpa500, the k3 follows. >>> >>> tried 2 different auxillary cables...same result with both. >>> >>> am i missing some setting i need to change? >>> >>> scott ne9u >>> >>> >>> Sent from Republic Wireless Cray-1 >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com >> From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Sat Oct 31 03:33:46 2015 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 07:33:46 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <5634482E.7060500@earthlink.net> References: <5634482E.7060500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002801d113ae$7f70ef40$7e52cdc0$@co.uk> >The questions might be on the test, but the ANSWERS are wild in the >world, you know? > >Cortland >KA5S Thanks - that's a great quote. 73 from Ian GM3SEK From joel.b.black at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 08:40:07 2015 From: joel.b.black at gmail.com (Joel Black) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 07:40:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator Message-ID: <1C1847BA-A9D6-419D-B468-91E667B394EF@gmail.com> I may be in need of providing a 10 MHz reference clock to my K3. I know I?d need to purchase the K3EXREF board for this. Without having to cobble together (I?m not a good ?cobbler? of shoes or stuff) too much unless it comes in a kit, what are folks using that could be had for relatively low cost? Although this would be nice to have, http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/projects/ministd/frqstd.htm , something significantly less would be better. At the current exchange rate, this device is close to $500. Thanks, Joel - W4JBB From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sat Oct 31 09:38:14 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 13:38:14 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator In-Reply-To: <1C1847BA-A9D6-419D-B468-91E667B394EF@gmail.com> References: <1C1847BA-A9D6-419D-B468-91E667B394EF@gmail.com> Message-ID: For DIY see: http://la3za.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/just-good-enough-10-mhz-reference.html Ready Built: There is also the excellent Leo Bodnar GPS unit Tiny fits in palm of your hand, low power consumption and fast locking. In itself a great frequency source that goes up to 800 MHz. http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=107&products_id=234 On auction sites you may also see 10 MHz GPSDO by BG7TBL from China at reasonable prices, along with matching distribution amplifiers. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 31 Oct 2015, at 12:40, Joel Black wrote: > > I may be in need of providing a 10 MHz reference clock to my K3. I know I?d need to purchase the K3EXREF board for this. Without having to cobble together (I?m not a good ?cobbler? of shoes or stuff) too much unless it comes in a kit, what are folks using that could be had for relatively low cost? > > Although this would be nice to have, http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/projects/ministd/frqstd.htm , something significantly less would be better. At the current exchange rate, this device is close to $500. > > Thanks, > Joel - W4JBB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From bobchortek at yahoo.com Sat Oct 31 09:50:25 2015 From: bobchortek at yahoo.com (Chortek Bob) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 13:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] kpa500 doesnt follow k3 In-Reply-To: <062674AB-522C-4709-9A45-8F91663D52F7@att.net> References: <062674AB-522C-4709-9A45-8F91663D52F7@att.net> Message-ID: <599878508.135910.1446299425824.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Scott, I have the same problem and have not been able to solve it.... It worked perfectly for a few days and then it developed the symptoms you described - plus the auto power select stopped working on the K3 (rig no longer goes from high power to low power when the KPA500 is enabled). ?I will see what suggestions you get. I may need to send both back to Elecraft to have them look over the equipment. 73, Bob/AA6VB From: NE9U - Jasper To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:23 PM Subject: [Elecraft] kpa500 doesnt follow k3 Just hooked? a new kpa500 to a k3.? when switching bands on the k3, the kpa500 doesnt follow.? it does follow when i apply power. the reverse does work....if i switch bands on the kpa500, the k3 follows. tried 2 different auxillary cables...same result with both. am i missing some setting i need to change?? scott? ne9u Sent from Republic Wireless Cray-1 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com From bobchortek at yahoo.com Sat Oct 31 09:59:52 2015 From: bobchortek at yahoo.com (Chortek Bob) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 13:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] kpa500 doesnt follow k3 In-Reply-To: <599878508.135910.1446299425824.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <599878508.135910.1446299425824.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <514483968.138214.1446299992747.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Scott, Sorry. ? As it turns out, after double checking, I have the opposite problem! The KPA500 follows the K3 just fine but the K3 will not follow the KPA500. ?A press of the band buttons on the KPA500 has no effect on either the KPA500 or the K3. ?Strange, no? 73, Bob/AA6VB From: Chortek Bob via Elecraft To: NE9U - Jasper ; "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kpa500 doesnt follow k3 Hi Scott, I have the same problem and have not been able to solve it.... It worked perfectly for a few days and then it developed the symptoms you described - plus the auto power select stopped working on the K3 (rig no longer goes from high power to low power when the KPA500 is enabled). ?I will see what suggestions you get. I may need to send both back to Elecraft to have them look over the equipment. 73, Bob/AA6VB ? ? ? From: NE9U - Jasper To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:23 PM Subject: [Elecraft] kpa500 doesnt follow k3 ? Just hooked? a new kpa500 to a k3.? when switching bands on the k3, the kpa500 doesnt follow.? it does follow when i apply power. the reverse does work....if i switch bands on the kpa500, the k3 follows. tried 2 different auxillary cables...same result with both. am i missing some setting i need to change?? scott? ne9u Sent from Republic Wireless Cray-1 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com From wb4ooa at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 10:08:53 2015 From: wb4ooa at gmail.com (Ron Durie) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:08:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator Message-ID: <001001d113e5$ad4ae420$07e0ac60$@gmail.com> These OCXOs are less than 2" cube in size and available on e-Bay from several dealers. They cost about $30. Search for: MORION MV89A. My date is 08/18. This is a 2008 year unit. My unit is hermetically sealed with NO adjustment available. It is a double oven model, made in St Petersburg. It is very accurate up to 10 to the -9 or better. More than enough accuracy for a K3. I AM USING A MORION MV89A directly into my K3. It runs on 12v and has fantastic accuracy for the K3. It is basically on Frequency from cold start to as warm as you use it. You never have to adjust your reference oscillator in the K3 again. My MV89A runs on 12v continuously. It is not practical, or advisable to turn it off and on with the K3. From a cold turn on the MV89A will take up to 40 minutes to get up on, or close to, frequency. The Trimble Thunderbolt is the best option and the most accurate, for a service bench environment. I have one running on my service bench. It works fine on the K3, however it is over-kill for the K3 and it is complex with several boxes and a GPS antenna, etc. etc. Ron Durie WB4OOA Elecraft K-Line From charles at k5ua.com Sat Oct 31 10:23:29 2015 From: charles at k5ua.com (charles at k5ua.com) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 09:23:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Has anyone Interfaced a K3S and OM2500A Message-ID: <107cb192bcb66b3ac9b83683df0e6990@k5ua.com> Having no success getting my Flex 6500 to interface with my OM2500A using ddutil and assorted null modems and serial to USB adapters. Think of purchasing a K3S since it has a RS232 port that can interface directly to the OM2500A without the computer/USB adapter/ddutil stuff. Before making the jump, there are some questions I have about about the K3S/OM2500A combination: 1. Does anyone out there have a K3S successfully interfaced to a OM2500A amp using the RS232 post on the K3S? 2. Since the K3S has up/down buttons for band changes, does the OM2500A reposition the load and tune stepper motors for each band on the way to the intended band. In other words, on a rapid band change from 80m to 10m, would the OM2500A reposition the tune and load stepper motors for 40M then 30M, then 20M, then 17M, then 15M, then 12M, before repositioning the stepper motors for 10 meters? 3. If the OM2500A does have to reposition the stepper motors for every band on the way to the intended band, is there some workaround using the K3S memories to go directly to the desired band without stepping through every band on the way to the desired band? Thanks for the helkp, Charles K5UA From alsopb at nc.rr.com Sat Oct 31 10:41:11 2015 From: alsopb at nc.rr.com (brian) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 14:41:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator In-Reply-To: <001001d113e5$ad4ae420$07e0ac60$@gmail.com> References: <001001d113e5$ad4ae420$07e0ac60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5634D307.7070102@nc.rr.com> Ron, The MV89A is pretty incredible-- especially for the price. I think two statements in your posting contradict each other though. It isn't basically "on frequency" from a cold start. It drifts 10's of Hz until the oven temp and oscillator stabilizes. The second statement about taking 40 minutes is more accurate. Upon receipt of mine, there was some calibration needed to have it accurate < 1 Hz. After calibration and warmups of 2 hours to days, the residual drift was incredibly low <0.003 Hz/day! For those who can live with it being powered continuously, it is an excellent unit to discipline the K3. 73 DE Brian/K3KO On 10/31/2015 14:08 PM, Ron Durie wrote: > These OCXOs are less than 2" cube in size and available on e-Bay from > several dealers. They cost about $30. > Search for: MORION MV89A. My date is 08/18. This is a 2008 year unit. My > unit is hermetically sealed with NO adjustment available. It is a double > oven model, made in St Petersburg. It is very accurate up to 10 to the -9 > or better. More than enough accuracy for a K3. > > I AM USING A MORION MV89A directly into my K3. It runs on 12v and has > fantastic accuracy for the K3. It is basically on Frequency from cold start > to as warm as you use it. You never have to adjust your reference > oscillator in the K3 again. My MV89A runs on 12v continuously. It is not > practical, or advisable to turn it off and on with the K3. From a cold turn > on the MV89A will take up to 40 minutes to get up on, or close to, > frequency. > > The Trimble Thunderbolt is the best option and the most accurate, for a > service bench environment. I have one running on my service bench. It > works fine on the K3, however it is over-kill for the K3 and it is complex > with several boxes and a GPS antenna, etc. etc. > > Ron Durie > WB4OOA Elecraft K-Line > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at nc.rr.com > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7163 / Virus Database: 4455/10921 - Release Date: 10/31/15 > > From wes at triconet.org Sat Oct 31 10:58:09 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 07:58:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <563448DE.9060200@sonic.net> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633A39C.20505@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633CF6C.6050808@sonic.net> <5633DA2F.8040602@audiosystemsgroup.com> <56342DE2.3060806@triconet.org> <563448DE.9060200@sonic.net> Message-ID: <5634D701.7090503@triconet.org> That's it. On 10/30/2015 9:51 PM, Alan wrote: > On 10/30/2015 07:56 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >> Before springing for this I would suggest reading the RSGB review. > > I found on the Signal Hound web site a copy of a review by G4DDK in September > 2011 RADCOM (Journal of the RSGB). Is that the one you are referring to? > > https://signalhound.com/sigdownloads/SA44B/SA44B-IndependentReview.pdf > > The only major complaint he had was that the screen update rate is slow for > wide sweeps. (OK for narrow sweeps) He concluded: > > Overall I was very pleased with the performance of the SA44B. > If I didn't already possess a good spectrum analyser I could be > very tempted to buy one of these. The TG44 is perfectly useable and > has excellent frequency coverage. > > (The TG44 is the optional tracking generator.) > > Alan N1AL > From ke8g at cox.net Sat Oct 31 11:14:31 2015 From: ke8g at cox.net (Jim - KE8G) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 11:14:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa500 doesnt follow k3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20151031111431.H1IGN.84342.imail@eastrmwml108> Hi Bob, It really sounds like a menu setting has been changed. Take a look at this: When driving the KPA500 with an Elecraft K3, use the K3?s per-band power control to set the amplifier output just below the desired peak output on each band. Do not rely on ALC to control the power output (see Using ALC, pg 17). At the K3, set CONFIG:POWER SET to Per Band. See Per-Band Power Control in your K3 Owner?s manual for further details. If you use the AUX cable interface between the K3 and KPA500 (pg 26), the KPA500 will send the OPER/STBY status to the K3. You can then set two per-band power levels at the K3: one to drive the KPA500 when it is in OPER mode and another for pass-through transmitting when the KPA500 is in STBY. The K3 will automatically furnish your preset power levels as you switch the KPA500 between OPER and STBY. 73 de Jim - KE8G ---- Chortek Bob via Elecraft wrote: > Hi Scott, I have the same problem and have not been able to solve it.... It worked perfectly for a few days and then it developed the symptoms you described - plus the auto power select stopped working on the K3 (rig no longer goes from high power to low power when the KPA500 is enabled). ?I will see what suggestions you get. I may need to send both back to Elecraft to have them look over the equipment. 73, Bob/AA6VB From: NE9U - Jasper To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:23 PM Subject: [Elecraft] kpa500 doesnt follow k3 Just hooked? a new kpa500 to a k3.? when switching bands on the k3, the kpa500 doesnt follow.? it does follow when i apply power. the reverse does work....if i switch bands on the kpa500, the k3 follows. tried 2 different auxillary cables...same result with both. am i missing some setting i need to change?? scott? ne9u Sent from Republic Wireless Cray-1 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ke8g at cox.net From bobchortek at yahoo.com Sat Oct 31 11:32:15 2015 From: bobchortek at yahoo.com (Chortek Bob) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 15:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] kpa500 doesnt follow k3 In-Reply-To: <20151031111431.H1IGN.84342.imail@eastrmwml108> References: <20151031111431.H1IGN.84342.imail@eastrmwml108> Message-ID: <189631600.163220.1446305535221.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Jim, Thanks. That is exactly how I had - and have - it set up, and it worked fine for a while and then stopped. Now, the K3 will no longer go to full power when the amp is in standby and reduce power when the KPA500 is enabled. Also, the band buttons on the KPA500 will no longer work when the K3 is turned on, but will when the K3 is off. ?The KPA500 will follow band changes on the K3. ? As I said, all was well for a while, but no amount of fidding has corrected the problem and none of the suggestions from Elecraft have helped. ?It may be some hardware has been damaged. The two units may need to go to the mother ship. Thanks for your help. Any other suggestions are most welcome. 73, Bob/AA6VB From: Jim - KE8G To: NE9U - Jasper ; Chortek Bob Cc: Chortek Bob via Elecraft Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kpa500 doesnt follow k3 Hi Bob, It really sounds like a menu setting has been changed.? Take a look at this: When driving the KPA500 with an Elecraft K3, use the K3?s per-band power control to set the amplifier output just below the desired peak output on each band. Do not rely on ALC to control the power output (see Using ALC, pg 17). At the K3, set CONFIG:POWER SET to Per Band. See Per-Band Power Control in your K3 Owner?s manual for further details. If you use the AUX cable interface between the K3 and KPA500 (pg 26), the KPA500 will send the OPER/STBY status to the K3. You can then set two per-band power levels at the K3: one to drive the KPA500 when it is in OPER mode and another for pass-through transmitting when the KPA500 is in STBY. The K3 will automatically furnish your preset power levels as you switch the KPA500 between OPER and STBY. 73 de Jim - KE8G ---- Chortek Bob via Elecraft wrote: > Hi Scott, I have the same problem and have not been able to solve it.... It worked perfectly for a few days and then it developed the symptoms you described - plus the auto power select stopped working on the K3 (rig no longer goes from high power to low power when the KPA500 is enabled). ?I will see what suggestions you get. I may need to send both back to Elecraft to have them look over the equipment. 73, Bob/AA6VB ? ? ? From: NE9U - Jasper To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:23 PM Subject: [Elecraft] kpa500 doesnt follow k3 ? Just hooked? a new kpa500 to a k3.? when switching bands on the k3, the kpa500 doesnt follow.? it does follow when i apply power. the reverse does work....if i switch bands on the kpa500, the k3 follows. tried 2 different auxillary cables...same result with both. am i missing some setting i need to change?? scott? ne9u Sent from Republic Wireless Cray-1 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bobchortek at yahoo.com ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ke8g at cox.net From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sat Oct 31 11:54:44 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 15:54:44 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator In-Reply-To: References: <1C1847BA-A9D6-419D-B468-91E667B394EF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2E7CA1BB-C18C-43BC-9101-91EB573C6179@yahoo.co.uk> I should also have linked to the USA importer of the Leo Bodnar unit http://www.force12inc.com/products/gps-locked-precision-frequency-reference-low-jitter-gps-clock-450-hz-to-800-mhz-output.html 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 31 Oct 2015, at 13:38, David Anderson wrote: > > For DIY see: > > http://la3za.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/just-good-enough-10-mhz-reference.html > > Ready Built: > > There is also the excellent Leo Bodnar GPS unit > Tiny fits in palm of your hand, low power consumption and fast locking. In itself a great frequency source that goes up to 800 MHz. > > http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=107&products_id=234 > > On auction sites you may also see 10 MHz GPSDO by BG7TBL from China at reasonable prices, along with matching distribution amplifiers. > > > > 73 > > David Anderson GM4JJJ > >> On 31 Oct 2015, at 12:40, Joel Black wrote: >> >> I may be in need of providing a 10 MHz reference clock to my K3. I know I?d need to purchase the K3EXREF board for this. Without having to cobble together (I?m not a good ?cobbler? of shoes or stuff) too much unless it comes in a kit, what are folks using that could be had for relatively low cost? >> >> Although this would be nice to have, http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/projects/ministd/frqstd.htm , something significantly less would be better. At the current exchange rate, this device is close to $500. >> >> Thanks, >> Joel - W4JBB >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From josh at voodoolab.com Sat Oct 31 12:01:35 2015 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 09:01:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Has anyone Interfaced a K3S and OM2500A In-Reply-To: <107cb192bcb66b3ac9b83683df0e6990@k5ua.com> References: <107cb192bcb66b3ac9b83683df0e6990@k5ua.com> Message-ID: <5634E5DF.6040304@voodoolab.com> > 1. Does anyone out there have a K3S successfully interfaced to a > OM2500A amp using the RS232 post on the K3S? I'm using OM-Power amp with K3 (not "S"). > > 2. Since the K3S has up/down buttons for band changes, does the > OM2500A reposition the load and tune stepper motors for each band on > the way to the intended band. In other words, on a rapid band change > from 80m to 10m, would the OM2500A reposition the tune and load > stepper motors for 40M then 30M, then 20M, then 17M, then 15M, then > 12M, before repositioning the stepper motors for 10 meters? The amplifier does NOT re-tune for band changes until you tap the key or PTT. You must connect the TX inhibit line between K3 and amplifier. When you change bands on K3, OM Power asserts the TX inhibit line to prevent K3 from transmitting. Once you tap PTT/VOX/key, the amp tunes and releases TX inhibit. 73, Josh W6XU From wes at triconet.org Sat Oct 31 12:32:24 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 09:32:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <56342DE2.3060806@triconet.org> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633A39C.20505@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633CF6C.6050808@sonic.net> <5633DA2F.8040602@audiosystemsgroup.com> <56342DE2.3060806@triconet.org> Message-ID: <5634ED18.2060107@triconet.org> I should have added, read the manual too, especially sections 2.2 and 2.3: http://signalhound.com/sigdownloads/SA44B/SA44B-User-Manual.pdf This thing has some major limitations that turned me off. On 10/30/2015 7:56 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > Before springing for this I would suggest reading the RSGB review. > > > On 10/30/2015 1:59 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On Fri,10/30/2015 1:13 PM, Alan wrote: >>> I have a "Signal Hound" USB-SA-44B, which is a 1 Hz to 4.4 GHz spectrum >>> analyzer that uses a PC for power and the user interface. It currently goes >>> for $919. I've been pretty happy with it. >>> >>> https://signalhound.com/ >>> >>> They also offer an optional USB-TG44A tracking generator for $599, which I >>> don't have. >> >> Interesting. What's the dynamic range -- i.e., how much can you display >> on-screen? >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > From KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sat Oct 31 12:49:09 2015 From: KX3 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 09:49:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <002801d113ae$7f70ef40$7e52cdc0$@co.uk> References: <5634482E.7060500@earthlink.net> <002801d113ae$7f70ef40$7e52cdc0$@co.uk> Message-ID: <5634F105.70403@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> I'll admit that I passed the Extra test by memorizing the questions and answers. The reason: the answers in the wild and the answers on the test did not always match. Since I learned a lot of what was in the real world before going for my Extra, it was a problem. 73 -- Lynn On 10/31/2015 12:33 AM, Ian White wrote: >> The questions might be on the test, but the ANSWERS are wild in the >> >world, you know? >> > >> >Cortland >> >KA5S > Thanks - that's a great quote. > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK From n1al at sonic.net Sat Oct 31 12:56:31 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 09:56:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <5634ED18.2060107@triconet.org> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633A39C.20505@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633CF6C.6050808@sonic.net> <5633DA2F.8040602@audiosystemsgroup.com> <56342DE2.3060806@triconet.org> <5634ED18.2060107@triconet.org> Message-ID: <5634F2BF.4010907@sonic.net> On 10/31/2015 09:32 AM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: > I should have added, read the manual too, especially sections 2.2 and 2.3: > > http://signalhound.com/sigdownloads/SA44B/SA44B-User-Manual.pdf > > This thing has some major limitations that turned me off. The limitations are due to the fact that it uses software algorithms rather than hardware for image rejection. Basically it takes two measurements with different local oscillator frequencies and figures out which spectral components are real and which are images. It works quite well. Other than slowing down the sweep speed somewhat (for span > 200 kHz), I have never noticed any effects in normal operation. The main effect is it doesn't work correctly on transient signals, like pulse-modulated or swept. If you need to measure one of those you can always turn off image rejection, at the risk of seeing spurious responses. Also it can't be used for wideband signals greater than 42 MHz. Maximum resolution bandwidth is 250 kHz, so you can't demodulate an analog TV signal (although you can display the spectrum). But for the types of measurements typically needed for ham radio it acts just like a conventional spectrum analyzer. I doubt you'd ever notice the difference. Alan N1AL > On 10/30/2015 7:56 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: >> Before springing for this I would suggest reading the RSGB review. >> >> >> On 10/30/2015 1:59 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> On Fri,10/30/2015 1:13 PM, Alan wrote: >>>> I have a "Signal Hound" USB-SA-44B, which is a 1 Hz to 4.4 GHz >>>> spectrum analyzer that uses a PC for power and the user interface. >>>> It currently goes for $919. I've been pretty happy with it. >>>> >>>> https://signalhound.com/ >>>> >>>> They also offer an optional USB-TG44A tracking generator for $599, >>>> which I don't have. >>> >>> Interesting. What's the dynamic range -- i.e., how much can you >>> display on-screen? >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >> From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sat Oct 31 13:01:30 2015 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 09:01:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator Message-ID: <201510311701.t9VH1Vtf024317@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Back in the 1950's all radios drifted a lot at cold start...that is why many let their receivers run continuously. OCXO = Oven Controlled Xtal Oscillator. I utilizes an insulated enclosure heated above the ambient temperature to provide a very stable operating temperature for the xtal oscillator. Thus they need to be at stable operating temp to provide very stable "short-term" 10-MHz reference signal. 30-40 minutes from cold start is about right. I just run mine 24/7. Originally I used a RS 1.5A wall cube charging a large gell-cell battery for 12v power but after discovering bad 120-Hz ripple on the voltage am just using a good 12v PS made by Astron. Short term frequency stability is +/-5 E-12 or in non-scientific nomenclature +/- 0.000005 Hz. The long-term stability is +/-5 E-5 which is about +/- 5Hz so one must periodically adjust (or recalibrate) the OCXO with an accurate frequency. I find mine drifts about 1-Hz over 6-month. The K3EXREF keeps the K3 with TCXO-3 to about 2 to 3 Hz at 28-MHz using a OCXO as reference. Plenty good enough for just about anyone. I also use a surplus "Russian" Morion OCXO bought for $45 from e-bay. Recently they are available for much less with double-oven design or sine wave versions. I bought a couple sine-wave OCXO for $25 in the last year. They do require a 5v regulator and multi-turn 100K pot plus a couple capacitors and fixed resistors for the frequency control lead of the OCXO (about $30 of parts). I mount my OCXO on a small RS project pc board. Yes it requires some assembly with soldering iron (but no sm stuff). I have a Rubidium reference for calibrating my OCXO...It also requires a long warm up. So if you travel with your K3 a lot then probably a GPSDO is a better choice though one also requires them to have a good lock on GPS which can take a minute or so for some. 73, Ed - KL7uW I was a beta-tester on the K3EXREF ---------------- From: brian To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator Message-ID: <5634D307.7070102 at nc.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Ron, The MV89A is pretty incredible-- especially for the price. I think two statements in your posting contradict each other though. It isn't basically "on frequency" from a cold start. It drifts 10's of Hz until the oven temp and oscillator stabilizes. The second statement about taking 40 minutes is more accurate. Upon receipt of mine, there was some calibration needed to have it accurate < 1 Hz. After calibration and warmups of 2 hours to days, the residual drift was incredibly low <0.003 Hz/day! For those who can live with it being powered continuously, it is an excellent unit to discipline the K3. 73 DE Brian/K3KO 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa at gmail.com From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Sat Oct 31 13:16:18 2015 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 17:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator In-Reply-To: <201510311701.t9VH1Vtf024317@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201510311701.t9VH1Vtf024317@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <1625656092.189603.1446311778096.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I use a Trimble GPS referenced 10 MHz source for shop use and into a video distribution amplifier and cable it from the shop to the K3. Works great. always on for the test equipment in the shop. Mel, K6KBE From: Edward R Cole To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator Back in the 1950's all radios drifted a lot at cold start...that is why many let their receivers run continuously. OCXO = Oven Controlled Xtal Oscillator.? I utilizes an insulated enclosure heated above the ambient temperature to provide a very stable operating temperature for the xtal oscillator.? Thus they need to be at stable operating temp to provide very stable "short-term" 10-MHz reference signal.? 30-40 minutes from cold start is about right.? I just run mine 24/7.? Originally I used a RS 1.5A wall cube charging a large gell-cell battery for 12v power but after discovering bad 120-Hz ripple on the voltage am just using a good 12v PS made by Astron.? Short term frequency stability is +/-5 E-12 or in non-scientific nomenclature +/- 0.000005 Hz.? The long-term stability is +/-5 E-5 which is about +/- 5Hz so one must periodically adjust (or recalibrate) the OCXO with an accurate frequency.? I find mine drifts about 1-Hz over 6-month. The K3EXREF keeps the K3 with TCXO-3 to about 2 to 3 Hz at 28-MHz using a OCXO as reference.? Plenty good enough for just about anyone. I also use a surplus "Russian" Morion OCXO bought for $45 from e-bay.? Recently they are available for much less with double-oven design or sine wave versions.? I bought a couple sine-wave OCXO for $25 in the last year. They do require a 5v regulator and multi-turn 100K pot plus a couple capacitors and fixed resistors for the frequency control lead of the OCXO (about $30 of parts).? I mount my OCXO on a small RS project pc board.? Yes it requires some assembly with soldering iron (but no sm stuff).? I have a Rubidium reference for calibrating my OCXO...It also requires a long warm up. So if you travel with your K3 a lot then probably a GPSDO is a better choice though one also requires them to have a good lock on GPS which can take a minute or so for some. 73, Ed - KL7uW I was a beta-tester on the K3EXREF ---------------- From: brian To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator Message-ID: <5634D307.7070102 at nc.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Ron, The MV89A is pretty incredible-- especially for the price. I think two statements in your posting contradict each other though. It isn't basically "on frequency" from a cold start.? It drifts 10's of Hz until the oven temp and oscillator stabilizes. The second statement about taking 40 minutes is more accurate. Upon receipt of mine, there was some calibration needed to have it accurate < 1 Hz. After calibration and warmups of 2 hours to days, the residual drift was incredibly low <0.003 Hz/day! For those who can live with it being powered continuously, it is an excellent unit to discipline the K3. 73 DE Brian/K3KO 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com ? ? "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: ? ? dubususa at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From wes at triconet.org Sat Oct 31 13:33:55 2015 From: wes at triconet.org (Wes (N7WS)) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:33:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <5634F2BF.4010907@sonic.net> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633A39C.20505@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633CF6C.6050808@sonic.net> <5633DA2F.8040602@audiosystemsgroup.com> <56342DE2.3060806@triconet.org> <5634ED18.2060107@triconet.org> <5634F2BF.4010907@sonic.net> Message-ID: <5634FB83.2040101@triconet.org> On 10/31/2015 9:56 AM, Alan wrote: > I doubt you'd ever notice the difference. > > Alan N1AL > Really? And you know this how? From sancho at frawg.org Sat Oct 31 13:41:07 2015 From: sancho at frawg.org (Jack Spitznagel) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 13:41:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Aviation Headset and the KX3 In-Reply-To: <222874624.1859849.1441425327369.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <222874624.1859849.1441425327369.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5634FD33.7010704@frawg.org> George, Thanks for posting this suggestion. It took a while for me to get a "rountuit" and order one of these. I found it for slightly less from Aircraft Spruce. I am using the PA-96 adapter with a Sennheiser S1 noise cancelling headset that works beautifully for me by assisting my failing ears. I probably need to shape the transmit audio a bit, but have had no complaints yet. Jack - KD4IZ On 9/4/2015 23:55, George Cortez via Elecraft wrote: > Hi GangI love using a Heil headset with the KX3 but wanted to try something with a little more build quality.I have my old Bose X Aviation headset from my flying days and set them up for the General Aviation plugs. They are really comfortable well made and have active noise canceling built in. I have used computer headsets with the K3 and the KX3 in the past and they have worked fine.I tried this adapter from sportys.comhttps://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/general-aviation-twin-plugs-to-pc-headset-adapter.html?___SID=U > It works fine with the KX3 and I get good audio reports. Just remember to unplug it after use as the plugs are the power switch for the adapter. Its a lot of cable but the adapter is solidly built and looks like it would last a good long time. You need to turn on the bias in the KX3 for any pc headset to work. Im sure David Clark GA headsets would work as well but I haven't tried them yet. Im tired of the old Head clamps anyway. > George NE2I > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to sancho at frawg.org From skjasper at att.net Sat Oct 31 13:52:55 2015 From: skjasper at att.net (NE9U - Jasper) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 12:52:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa500 doesnt follow k3 In-Reply-To: References: <062674AB-522C-4709-9A45-8F91663D52F7@att.net> <58B7DD5E-3129-4C81-AA32-6940941BC068@me.com> <87F6DFCC-A60A-449D-B710-C9C2CD1EAFAF@att.net> <52A72B39-E077-414D-AA10-882ACA6EA603@me.com> <85F1BF43-7B93-4A12-9B35-1C6F0D08464F@att.net> Message-ID: Thanks Jack....the change in KIO3 menu item fixed the problem of my kpa500 and kat500 not following the k3. It was set to trn instead of nor. ive had two or three guys email me off reflector with same problem....maybe this is also why their band switching isnt working. Thanks and 73 Scott NE9U Sent from Republic Wireless Cray-1 > On Oct 31, 2015, at 2:45 AM, Jack Brindle wrote: > > The KAT500 should also band switch automatically when the K3 changes band. The KAT500 has additional support in the K3, though. It can follow the K3?s frequency and switch to the LC nomination needed for the antenna at that frequency. Go into the K3?s menu, KAT3 setting, and tap the 1 button on the K3 keypad. KAT500Y should flash on the VFOB display to tell you this is enabled. The procedure is described on page 60 of the current K3S manual. Note that the current K3/K3S firmware supports this setting, but it is not described in the K3 manual on the web site, but is described in the K3S manual there. Yes, the K3S and K3 firmware are the same, so we K3 owners get the new features, assuming our radios support them. > > K3 serial 1732 should have proper support for changing the band lines. Very early K3s did not have pull-ups on their BAND lines (actually not needed by the KPA500). Your should have them. The next check is again in the Config menu, turn the VFOA nob to get to the KIO3 setting, then make sure it is set to NOR and not TRN or HF-TRN. > > If that didn?t solve it, and you are comfortable with use a voltmeter to check the BAND lines, then do so. The pinout is described on page 18 of the manual. > > I?ll be around all weekend if you need more help, so don?t hesitate to email me. > > Jack, W6FB > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Republic Wireless Cray-1 >> >>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:41 AM, Jack Brindle wrote: >>> >>> Did you build this from a kit or purchase it built? >>> Is there anything else that seems off? >>> Does the KAT500 change bands when the K3 changes bands? >>> >>> When RADIO=K3, the KPA observes the band lines from the K3 to determine the band it should be on. When it sees the band lines change, it will change bands. >>> When it senses RF it does a double-check, and will switch bands again if the mefrequency-counted RF does not agree with what the band lines indicate. >>> >>> So at this point we need to determine that the K3 BAND signals are indeed switching, and if the cables inside the KP500 are properly seated. This would be the cable on the far left when viewing the KPA from the front. If it is off, either at the front panel or at the IO board, you might see this sort of problem. But I would expect you to see other problems as well. >>> >>> The answers to these questions should provide some light. >>> >>> - Jack, W6FB >>> >>>> On Oct 30, 2015, at 10:44 PM, NE9U - Jasper wrote: >>>> >>>> yes, the k3 recognizes when the kpa500 is turned on. >>>> >>>> the cables are e850463. ( i also have a new kat500....i get same result whether i have it or out of line) >>>> >>>> radio setting in kpa500 is set to k3 >>>> >>>> i also updated all firmware yesterday thinking that might help....no change. >>>> >>>> scott >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Republic Wireless Cray-1 >>>> >>>>> On Oct 31, 2015, at 12:28 AM, Jack Brindle wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Let?s make sure the K3 and KPA are communicating. When you power on the KPA, does the K3 indicate that something changed? It should display >>>>> the KPA power event on the display. If not: >>>>> * what cable are you using between the K3 and the KPA? >>>>> * Check the RADIO setting in the KPA. It should be set to K3. >>>>> >>>>> Is there anything else connected to the AUX IO ports on either the K3 or KPA? >>>>> >>>>> - Jack Brindle, W6FB >>>>> Elecraft Engineering >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 30, 2015, at 10:23 PM, NE9U - Jasper wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Just hooked a new kpa500 to a k3. >>>>>> >>>>>> when switching bands on the k3, the kpa500 doesnt follow. it does follow when i apply power. >>>>>> >>>>>> the reverse does work....if i switch bands on the kpa500, the k3 follows. >>>>>> >>>>>> tried 2 different auxillary cables...same result with both. >>>>>> >>>>>> am i missing some setting i need to change? >>>>>> >>>>>> scott ne9u >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Republic Wireless Cray-1 >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com > From rolfb at accima.com Sat Oct 31 14:40:50 2015 From: rolfb at accima.com (Bob W7AVK) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 11:40:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator Message-ID: <56350B32.5060804@accima.com> For evaluation I purchased last spring directly from China one of the BG7TBL 10 mhz sine output GPS Defined Oscillators when the price was $125. These very nice units are now being sold from CA for a bit more and comes with everything needed, Unit, GPS antenna, power supply. http://www.ebay.com/itm/10MHZ-Output-Sine-Wave-GPS-Disciplined-Clock-GPSDO-GPS-Antenna-Power-Supply-US-/261977676713?hash=item3cff161ba9:g:ZJQAAOSwrklVf3wV It uses the Russian Morion Double oven crystal oscillators controlled by voltage feedback against the GPS1 pulse per second signal using a very long time constant control loop. If you would like a block drawing contact me directly. I gave the unit to KE5FX, a member of the "Time Nuts" group, who has the equipment to evaluate it. His results are posted at http://www.ke5fx.com/gpscomp.htm It was found due to the pulse width method of creating the Morion oscillator control voltage this unit was operating 2 to 3 times ten to the minus 11 cycles low. I wouldn't get too upset at this as that error would only be 3 hz off at 100 GHZ. Found the unit works great as a master reference for not only the K3 but lab gear like counters and signal generators. 73 Bob W7AVK From sancho at frawg.org Sat Oct 31 14:44:39 2015 From: sancho at frawg.org (Jack Spitznagel) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 14:44:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3/KXPA100 USB control harness noise Message-ID: <56350C17.8090502@frawg.org> I am seeing see about a 1 S-unit jump in this noise above the floor in quiet band conditions when I use rig control (any program) on a Dell laptop. Rig power supply is quiet. Before I spend a lot of time reinventing things... and trying to figure out how to search the archives for something this specific: Is there someone who has used ferrites to kill hash noise that only occurs with this combination of rig, panadapter, and amp setup when the Elecraft Utilities or a rig control program is running? If so what type of ferrite(s) did you use and where did you place them? Observation: I can knock the noise down by half by putting a "medium sized" clip over ferrite (sorry, it says TEAC on it... no model number) right at the box on the KXPA100 to KX3 adapter cable. That may be the best I can do - if so thanks for reading this and not telling me to search the archive... Jack - KD4IZ From k2mk at comcast.net Sat Oct 31 14:45:47 2015 From: k2mk at comcast.net (Mike K2MK) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 11:45:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Has anyone Interfaced a K3S and OM2500A In-Reply-To: <107cb192bcb66b3ac9b83683df0e6990@k5ua.com> References: <107cb192bcb66b3ac9b83683df0e6990@k5ua.com> Message-ID: <1446317147907-7609829.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Charles, Not a direct answer to your specific amplifier question but something that might help. In the last 7 years I don't think I have used the BAND up/down button on my K3 more than once or perhaps twice. The numbered keypad is easily set up for each band either directly on the K3 or K3S or by using the K3 Memory Editor program. Changing bands is then a simple two button process. First press the M-V button then press one of the ten numbered key buttons. I have button 1 set for 160 meters, 2 for 80 meters........... 0 for 6 meters. In a similar manner you can then set up each of the four M buttons for band segments. For example I have M1 set up for the CW portion of the band, M2 for RTTY, M3 for SSB. Again just press M-V then the M button. And finally, when using a contest or logging program it's very easy to just type in a frequency on your PC and press enter. 73, Mike K2MK charles-2 wrote > Having no success getting my Flex 6500 to interface with my OM2500A > using ddutil and assorted null modems and serial to USB adapters. Think > of purchasing a K3S since it has a RS232 port that can interface > directly to the OM2500A without the computer/USB adapter/ddutil stuff. > Before making the jump, there are some questions I have about about the > K3S/OM2500A combination: > > 1. Does anyone out there have a K3S successfully interfaced to a OM2500A > amp using the RS232 post on the K3S? > > 2. Since the K3S has up/down buttons for band changes, does the OM2500A > reposition the load and tune stepper motors for each band on the way to > the intended band. In other words, on a rapid band change from 80m to > 10m, would the OM2500A reposition the tune and load stepper motors for > 40M then 30M, then 20M, then 17M, then 15M, then 12M, before > repositioning the stepper motors for 10 meters? > > 3. If the OM2500A does have to reposition the stepper motors for every > band on the way to the intended band, is there some workaround using the > K3S memories to go directly to the desired band without stepping through > every band on the way to the desired band? > > Thanks for the helkp, > > Charles K5UA -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Has-anyone-Interfaced-a-K3S-and-OM2500A-tp7609813p7609829.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From averill at mchsi.com Sat Oct 31 14:46:11 2015 From: averill at mchsi.com (=?utf-8?B?YXZlcmlsbEBtY2hzaS5jb20=?=) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:46:11 GMT Subject: [Elecraft] K3 has no output Help! Message-ID: <000f4242.434eb2ec1687cb1e@mchsi.com> My K3 has stopped putting out a CW signal! Red transmit light comes on.No reading on SWR meter.Rcv. is working fine.VOX is turned on.Antennas are OK. HELP! ?Any suggestions? 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From georgek5kg at aol.com Sat Oct 31 14:53:31 2015 From: georgek5kg at aol.com (George K5KG) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 14:53:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Has anyone Interfaced a K3S and OM2500A In-Reply-To: <1446317147907-7609829.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <107cb192bcb66b3ac9b83683df0e6990@k5ua.com> <1446317147907-7609829.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <56350E2B.8050905@aol.com> I do 99% of my K3 band switching with the buttons on the KPA-500, even if I am not even using the amp, but just have it turned on. It is a very expensive, effortless band switch! 73, George, K5KG On 10/31/2015 2:45 PM, Mike K2MK wrote: > Hi Charles, > > Not a direct answer to your specific amplifier question but something that > might help. > > In the last 7 years I don't think I have used the BAND up/down button on my > K3 more than once or perhaps twice. The numbered keypad is easily set up for > each band either directly on the K3 or K3S or by using the K3 Memory Editor > program. Changing bands is then a simple two button process. First press the > M-V button then press one of the ten numbered key buttons. I have button 1 > set for 160 meters, 2 for 80 meters........... 0 for 6 meters. > > In a similar manner you can then set up each of the four M buttons for band > segments. For example I have M1 set up for the CW portion of the band, M2 > for RTTY, M3 for SSB. Again just press M-V then the M button. > > And finally, when using a contest or logging program it's very easy to just > type in a frequency on your PC and press enter. > > 73, > Mike K2MK > > > > charles-2 wrote >> Having no success getting my Flex 6500 to interface with my OM2500A >> using ddutil and assorted null modems and serial to USB adapters. Think >> of purchasing a K3S since it has a RS232 port that can interface >> directly to the OM2500A without the computer/USB adapter/ddutil stuff. >> Before making the jump, there are some questions I have about about the >> K3S/OM2500A combination: >> >> 1. Does anyone out there have a K3S successfully interfaced to a OM2500A >> amp using the RS232 post on the K3S? >> >> 2. Since the K3S has up/down buttons for band changes, does the OM2500A >> reposition the load and tune stepper motors for each band on the way to >> the intended band. In other words, on a rapid band change from 80m to >> 10m, would the OM2500A reposition the tune and load stepper motors for >> 40M then 30M, then 20M, then 17M, then 15M, then 12M, before >> repositioning the stepper motors for 10 meters? >> >> 3. If the OM2500A does have to reposition the stepper motors for every >> band on the way to the intended band, is there some workaround using the >> K3S memories to go directly to the desired band without stepping through >> every band on the way to the desired band? >> >> Thanks for the helkp, >> >> Charles K5UA > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Has-anyone-Interfaced-a-K3S-and-OM2500A-tp7609813p7609829.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to georgek5kg at aol.com -- George Wagner, K5KG Sarasota, FL 941-400-1960 From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Oct 31 15:04:36 2015 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw - K4TAX) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 14:04:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 has no output Help! In-Reply-To: <000f4242.434eb2ec1687cb1e@mchsi.com> References: <000f4242.434eb2ec1687cb1e@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <563510C4.40100@blomand.net> Check to see that the PWR value is something other than Zero. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S - s/n 10163 On 10/31/2015 1:46 PM, averill at mchsi.com wrote: > My K3 has stopped putting out a CW signal! > Red transmit light comes on.No reading on SWR meter.Rcv. is working fine.VOX is turned on.Antennas are OK. > HELP! Any suggestions? > Randy KK4BNC From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sat Oct 31 15:05:52 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 19:05:52 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator In-Reply-To: <56350B32.5060804@accima.com> References: <56350B32.5060804@accima.com> Message-ID: <4067E33F-F6D0-44A6-A1F0-47C182B296F9@yahoo.co.uk> Yes, I bought one as well, along with the matching 8 channel distribution amplifier which is equally well made. There is a review by VK2XAX Tim Tuck of a later model which may have fixed that tiny error in phase. I also read an interesting article about the 5MHz leakage from the Morion Oscillator ( at -50dBc). [The Morion is really a 5MHz OS X with a frequency doubler to 10 MHz] and yes, I do know what a double oven is and we are not referring to that type of double. I hope the following link works for Tim's review of the GPDSO https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9Oysj7clpT7YTBWSjlfNTI1aTQ/view 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 31 Oct 2015, at 18:40, Bob W7AVK wrote: > > For evaluation I purchased last spring directly from China one of the BG7TBL 10 mhz sine output GPS Defined Oscillators when the price was $125. These very nice units are now being sold from CA for a bit more and comes with everything needed, Unit, GPS antenna, power supply. http://www.ebay.com/itm/10MHZ-Output-Sine-Wave-GPS-Disciplined-Clock-GPSDO-GPS-Antenna-Power-Supply-US-/261977676713?hash=item3cff161ba9:g:ZJQAAOSwrklVf3wV > > It uses the Russian Morion Double oven crystal oscillators controlled by voltage feedback against the GPS1 pulse per second signal using a very long time constant control loop. If you would like a block drawing contact me directly. > > I gave the unit to KE5FX, a member of the "Time Nuts" group, who has the equipment to evaluate it. His results are posted at http://www.ke5fx.com/gpscomp.htm It was found due to the pulse width method of creating the Morion oscillator control voltage this unit was operating 2 to 3 times ten to the minus 11 cycles low. I wouldn't get too upset at this as that error would only be 3 hz off at 100 GHZ. > > Found the unit works great as a master reference for not only the K3 but lab gear like counters and signal generators. > > 73 Bob W7AVK > k From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Sat Oct 31 15:19:51 2015 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 19:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator In-Reply-To: <56350B32.5060804@accima.com> References: <56350B32.5060804@accima.com> Message-ID: <296119720.215064.1446319191051.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I agree, and when you put the GPS referenced osc against my HP8920 and the old HP 5346M on X-Y scope input, the circle hardly moves. Mel, K6KBE From: Bob W7AVK To: 'Elecraft' Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator For evaluation I purchased last spring directly from China one of the BG7TBL 10 mhz sine output GPS Defined Oscillators when the price was $125.? These very nice units are now being sold from CA for a bit more and comes with everything needed, Unit, GPS antenna, power supply. http://www.ebay.com/itm/10MHZ-Output-Sine-Wave-GPS-Disciplined-Clock-GPSDO-GPS-Antenna-Power-Supply-US-/261977676713?hash=item3cff161ba9:g:ZJQAAOSwrklVf3wV It uses the Russian Morion Double oven crystal oscillators controlled by voltage feedback against the? GPS1 pulse per second signal using a very long time constant control loop.? If you would like a block drawing contact me directly. I gave the unit to KE5FX, a member of the "Time Nuts" group, who has the equipment to evaluate it.? His results are posted at http://www.ke5fx.com/gpscomp.htm It was found due to the pulse width method of creating the Morion oscillator control voltage this unit was operating 2 to 3 times ten to the minus 11 cycles low.? I wouldn't get too upset at this as that error would only be 3 hz off at 100 GHZ. Found the unit works great as a master reference for not only the K3 but lab gear like counters and signal generators. 73? Bob? W7AVK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From nq5t at tx.rr.com Sat Oct 31 15:41:01 2015 From: nq5t at tx.rr.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 14:41:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 has no output Help! In-Reply-To: <563510C4.40100@blomand.net> References: <000f4242.434eb2ec1687cb1e@mchsi.com> <563510C4.40100@blomand.net> Message-ID: TEST mode?? Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > On Oct 31, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote: > > Check to see that the PWR value is something other than Zero. > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > K3S - s/n 10163 > > On 10/31/2015 1:46 PM, averill at mchsi.com wrote: >> My K3 has stopped putting out a CW signal! >> Red transmit light comes on.No reading on SWR meter.Rcv. is working fine.VOX is turned on.Antennas are OK. >> HELP! Any suggestions? >> Randy KK4BNC > From NZ3O at arrl.net Sat Oct 31 15:43:10 2015 From: NZ3O at arrl.net (Byron Peebles) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 15:43:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3/S] 500 Hz Roofing Filter In-Reply-To: <474418694.248697.1446317341965.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <474418694.248697.1446317341965.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <474418694.248697.1446317341965.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <563519CE.5070106@arrl.net> Check you are on the correct antenna. On 10/31/2015 02:49 PM, Don Putnick via Elecraft wrote: > For sale:? KFL3A-500 ? 500 Hz, 5-pole cw/data filter $50Price includes USPS Priority Mail shipping to USA.Certified check or USPS money order.Please contact me off list: Don dot NA6Z at yahoo dot com73 Don NA6Z? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nz3o at arrl.net From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sat Oct 31 15:44:32 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 19:44:32 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3/KXPA100 USB control harness noise In-Reply-To: <56350C17.8090502@frawg.org> References: <56350C17.8090502@frawg.org> Message-ID: <269A193C-EBC1-4036-A679-2952803A1AB6@yahoo.co.uk> Jack, Are you using the Elecraft USB adaptor lead? I ask because initially I was intending to use a built in USB to serial COM port in my Digimaster Pro interface box for CAT with my KX3, but got terrible noise from its polling. Moving to using the Elecraft USB adaptor instead cured that. As a reference point I only have the Laptop USB connected to a PX3 and from there to the KX3 and am using only 144 MHz with an external transverter from 14 MHz. I didn't need any ferrite on that port. I did need some on other USB leads and HDMI leads however. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 31 Oct 2015, at 18:44, Jack Spitznagel wrote: > > I am seeing see about a 1 S-unit jump in this noise above the floor in quiet band conditions when I use rig control (any program) on a Dell laptop. Rig power supply is quiet. > > Before I spend a lot of time reinventing things... and trying to figure out how to search the archives for something this specific: > > Is there someone who has used ferrites to kill hash noise that only occurs with this combination of rig, panadapter, and amp setup when the Elecraft Utilities or a rig control program is running? > > If so what type of ferrite(s) did you use and where did you place them? > > Observation: I can knock the noise down by half by putting a "medium sized" clip over ferrite (sorry, it says TEAC on it... no model number) right at the box on the KXPA100 to KX3 adapter cable. > > That may be the best I can do - if so thanks for reading this and not telling me to search the archive... > > Jack - KD4IZ > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 15:51:45 2015 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 21:51:45 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 has no output Help! In-Reply-To: <000f4242.434eb2ec1687cb1e@mchsi.com> References: <000f4242.434eb2ec1687cb1e@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <56351BD1.4070203@gmail.com> Check TX INH in the CONFIG menu. It should be OFF unless you are using that feature. No, it's not TEST mode, because the TX light is on. 73, Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO Rehovot, Israel http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 31 Oct 2015 20:46, averill at mchsi.com wrote: > > > > > > > > My K3 has stopped putting out a CW signal! > Red transmit light comes on.No reading on SWR meter.Rcv. is working fine.VOX is turned on.Antennas are OK. > HELP! Any suggestions? > Randy KK4BNC > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone From rfriess at usa.net Sat Oct 31 16:08:28 2015 From: rfriess at usa.net (Robert Friess) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 13:08:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator In-Reply-To: <296119720.215064.1446319191051.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <56350B32.5060804@accima.com> <296119720.215064.1446319191051.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Where do I find the distribution amplifier? Bob On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > I agree, and when you put the GPS referenced osc against my HP8920 and the > old HP 5346M on X-Y scope input, the circle hardly moves. > Mel, K6KBE > > From: Bob W7AVK > To: 'Elecraft' > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator > > For evaluation I purchased last spring directly from China one of the > BG7TBL 10 mhz sine output GPS Defined Oscillators when the price was > $125. These very nice units are now being sold from CA for a bit more > and comes with everything needed, Unit, GPS antenna, power supply. > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/10MHZ-Output-Sine-Wave-GPS-Disciplined-Clock-GPSDO-GPS-Antenna-Power-Supply-US-/261977676713?hash=item3cff161ba9:g:ZJQAAOSwrklVf3wV > > > It uses the Russian Morion Double oven crystal oscillators controlled by > voltage feedback against the GPS1 pulse per second signal using a very > long time constant control loop. If you would like a block drawing > contact me directly. > > I gave the unit to KE5FX, a member of the "Time Nuts" group, who has the > equipment to evaluate it. His results are posted at > http://www.ke5fx.com/gpscomp.htm It was found due to the pulse width > method of creating the Morion oscillator control voltage this unit was > operating 2 to 3 times ten to the minus 11 cycles low. I wouldn't get > too upset at this as that error would only be 3 hz off at 100 GHZ. > > Found the unit works great as a master reference for not only the K3 but > lab gear like counters and signal generators. > > 73 Bob W7AVK > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rfriess at usa.net > From schmiera at bellsouth.net Sat Oct 31 16:12:49 2015 From: schmiera at bellsouth.net (Richard Schmiedt) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 16:12:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] P3 SVGA Self changing tracking mode Message-ID: Re the SVGA off center bug. My fix is to put the fixed/tune menu control on a function button. Just hit the button after using the center control to reset the SVGA back to default. Rick W4GE From k2asp at kanafi.org Sat Oct 31 16:45:38 2015 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 13:45:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <5634482E.7060500@earthlink.net> References: <5634482E.7060500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <56352872.5090003@kanafi.org> On 10/30/2015 9:48 PM, CR wrote: > The questions might be on the test, but the ANSWERS are wild in the > world, you know? The answers are right there on the paper in front of you. All you really have to know is "a", "b", "c", and "d". Just like any other multiple-guess exam... :) 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From k9qjs at icloud.com Sat Oct 31 16:53:55 2015 From: k9qjs at icloud.com (Jim Hooper) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 13:53:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 w/ KX3 & K3 & w/ KAT500 Message-ID: <58F14F16-0576-48F5-81F0-66AC90EA9FC2@icloud.com> I have configured my K3 and KX3 as shown in ?The Elecraft KX3 - Portable: Going for the Summit? book that Fred wrote, the 2013 version. I have configured cabling as shown in section "9.8 The KX3 and the KPA500?, figure 9.17, which shows use of the Keyline Interrupter, RCA cables, E980232 Adapter for the KX3, et al, with an RF switch between the K3 and KX3 in order to input either to the KAT500/KPA500 pair. How do I put the KPA500 into OPER when I have powered off the K3 and switched the my KX3? Currently, when I turn off the K3, the KPA500 always switches to STBY and I can not then switch the KPA500 from STBY back to OPER. I am thinking that there might be a setting somewhere? Thanks, 73, Hoop K9QJS From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Sat Oct 31 16:56:59 2015 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 20:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <392816599.226501.1446325019337.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, Old DYNAIR DA1510A one by four output.? Still see them listed for sale <$50. Mel, K6KBE From: Robert Friess To: Mel Farrer Cc: Bob W7AVK ; Elecraft Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator Where do I find the distribution amplifier? Bob On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: I agree, and when you put the GPS referenced osc against my HP8920 and the old HP 5346M on X-Y scope input, the circle hardly moves. Mel, K6KBE ? ? ? From: Bob W7AVK ?To: 'Elecraft' ?Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 11:40 AM ?Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator For evaluation I purchased last spring directly from China one of the BG7TBL 10 mhz sine output GPS Defined Oscillators when the price was $125.? These very nice units are now being sold from CA for a bit more and comes with everything needed, Unit, GPS antenna, power supply. http://www.ebay.com/itm/10MHZ-Output-Sine-Wave-GPS-Disciplined-Clock-GPSDO-GPS-Antenna-Power-Supply-US-/261977676713?hash=item3cff161ba9:g:ZJQAAOSwrklVf3wV It uses the Russian Morion Double oven crystal oscillators controlled by voltage feedback against the? GPS1 pulse per second signal using a very long time constant control loop.? If you would like a block drawing contact me directly. I gave the unit to KE5FX, a member of the "Time Nuts" group, who has the equipment to evaluate it.? His results are posted at http://www.ke5fx.com/gpscomp.htm It was found due to the pulse width method of creating the Morion oscillator control voltage this unit was operating 2 to 3 times ten to the minus 11 cycles low.? I wouldn't get too upset at this as that error would only be 3 hz off at 100 GHZ. Found the unit works great as a master reference for not only the K3 but lab gear like counters and signal generators. 73? Bob? W7AVK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rfriess at usa.net From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk Sat Oct 31 17:58:43 2015 From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 21:58:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 10 MHz Reference Oscillator In-Reply-To: References: <56350B32.5060804@accima.com> <296119720.215064.1446319191051.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They are on eBay too, sometimes there are bargains the GPSDO and the Distribution amp as a bundle. Search for 10 MHz distribution amplifier. Also look for BG7TBL the designer. This is the distribution amp I got in the bundle I bought: http://www.ebay.com/itm/OXCO-benchmark-frequency-standard-8-port-output-10MHz-Distribution-amplifier-/181744186662?hash=item2a50cc3526:g:gqYAAOSwNSxVUw~z Note the distribution amp also includes another free running 10 MHz Morion Oven Osc as well. It takes over if the Reference input is removed. 73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 31 Oct 2015, at 20:08, Robert Friess wrote: > > Where do I find the distribution amplifier? > > Bob > From w3fpr at embarqmail.com Sat Oct 31 19:37:11 2015 From: w3fpr at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 19:37:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 w/ KX3 & K3 & w/ KAT500 In-Reply-To: <58F14F16-0576-48F5-81F0-66AC90EA9FC2@icloud.com> References: <58F14F16-0576-48F5-81F0-66AC90EA9FC2@icloud.com> Message-ID: <563550A7.1080805@embarqmail.com> Hoop, I do not have that Fred Cady book, but I would think that is intended only to switch between the K3 and the KX3 when both the K3 and KX3 are powered on. If you want to operate the KX3 with the K3 powered off, you can remove the cable from the K3 ACC connector. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/31/2015 4:53 PM, Jim Hooper wrote: > I have configured my K3 and KX3 as shown in ?The Elecraft KX3 - Portable: Going for the Summit? book that Fred wrote, the 2013 version. I have configured cabling as shown in section "9.8 The KX3 and the KPA500?, figure 9.17, which shows use of the Keyline Interrupter, RCA cables, E980232 Adapter for the KX3, et al, with an RF switch between the K3 and KX3 in order to input either to the KAT500/KPA500 pair. > > How do I put the KPA500 into OPER when I have powered off the K3 and switched the my KX3? > > Currently, when I turn off the K3, the KPA500 always switches to STBY and I can not then switch the KPA500 from STBY back to OPER. I am thinking that there might be a setting somewhere? > > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Oct 31 19:44:39 2015 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 16:44:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <5634F2BF.4010907@sonic.net> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633A39C.20505@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633CF6C.6050808@sonic.net> <5633DA2F.8040602@audiosystemsgroup.com> <56342DE2.3060806@triconet.org> <5634ED18.2060107@triconet.org> <5634F2BF.4010907@sonic.net> Message-ID: <56355267.7040100@audiosystemsgroup.com> On Sat,10/31/2015 9:56 AM, Alan wrote: > The main effect is it doesn't work correctly on transient signals, > like pulse-modulated or swept. That suggest that it would not do well measuring a series of dits. 73, Jim K9YC From n1al at sonic.net Sat Oct 31 21:49:35 2015 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:49:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] The Technical Side of Ham Radio In-Reply-To: <56355267.7040100@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <000301d11294$3f535260$bdf9f720$@ij.net> <5632DB70.90807@subich.com> <5632E567.2080107@comcast.net> <563310BC.8080601@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633A39C.20505@audiosystemsgroup.com> <5633CF6C.6050808@sonic.net> <5633DA2F.8040602@audiosystemsgroup.com> <56342DE2.3060806@triconet.org> <5634ED18.2060107@triconet.org> <5634F2BF.4010907@sonic.net> <56355267.7040100@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <56356FAF.90301@sonic.net> On 10/31/2015 04:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sat,10/31/2015 9:56 AM, Alan wrote: >> The main effect is it doesn't work correctly on transient signals, >> like pulse-modulated or swept. > > That suggest that it would not do well measuring a series of dits. It's only an issue with sweeps wider than 200 kHz. Alan N1AL