[Elecraft] Data mode and filters

[Phil Anderson]

This thread sounds - in part - a bit like junior high batches of 
mentality. I'm not sure that this discussion line is appropriate for the 
Elecraft reflector.

Perhaps a better long term approach to more good signals on the air is 
to recruit a few knowledgeable engineers or advanced hams (tech wise) 
that could provide the theory, tutorials on how to set up and 
measure/test quality signals. Quality for some may stay in the eye of 
the beholder for some anyway.

These high quality tutorials/pieces of info, on a web page or as pdf 
files, could be made available for individuals, clubs and perhaps also 
find their way into the magazines and other publications.

I've not studied the subject in detail but would be interested in 
learning/applying best signals methods.

73, Uncle Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS.

PS: I love my K3, P3 and SteppIR vertical. Fun stuff. Bought the K3 kit 
in Nov of 2014. Still learning! Perhaps a book like Cady's centered on 
good signals would be helpful to those who wish to advance the hobby in 
general.




> Kevin Stover <mailto:kevin.stover at mediacombb.net>
> Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:34 PM
> On Sat, 9 May 2015 14:14:41 +0000 (UTC)
> Harry Yingst via Elecraft<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>  wrote:
>
>> As for people responding "They don't care" some of that>comes from far too many trying to assert some imaginary>authority over another. (like the guy who drives at or>below the speed limit in the passing lane).
>
> Hasn't the FCC said we are to police ourselves?
>
>> In time they just stop caring because so many times the>person accusing them of being wide etc is either a>busybody or>does not have their own gear set up right.>Sadly that in and of itself becomes a problem because>now those folks (who may actually have a poor signal)>become closed to true constructive criticism and they go>on with a poor signal.
>
> So, because they've stopped caring were just supposed to sit on our hands or go our merry way by spinning the knob?
>
> I know a particular federal agency who will make them care again. Unfortunatley we have to do most of the evidence gathering and file an actual complaint.
>
> The three guys/gals who actually responded saying they don't care would have been first on the list. These are the people who need "self policed" the worst.
>
> You wouldn't stand for that arrogant attitude from a guest in your home, I hope, why put up with it on the radio?
>
> Any "big gun" contester whose already spent $$$ and has a crap signal comes next. They have the technical chops and resources to fix the problem. If one or more of them are wide to create some kind of guard channel then the contest sponsors and the FCC need to get involved. A nice five year banning from a contest would get their attention.
>
> Any ESSBer whose signal is wider than 3.0 KHz is next. Wanna sound like an AM broadcast legen? USE AM in the correct part of the band. You'll be welcomed with open arms.
>
> We need to demand more from the manufacturers too. Transmit IMD numbers worse than -35 dB shouldn't be tollerated. I'll bet none os the 12V final rigs, including the K3, could hit that mark.  I've sworn off ANY and ALL Yaesu HF rigs FOREVER because of the FT-1000D/MP/Mk5 key click fiasco. When an entire line of your product earns the moniker "cliclmaster" you shouldn't be allowed to ignore it for 10 years like Yaesu did.
>
> The more we've ignored it or say "I don't want to get involved", the worse the problem gets.
>
> Someone else can use the soapbox now.
>
> Harry Yingst via Elecraft <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:14 AM
> I have seen that as well (people telling others they are wide etc when 
> they are not.
> I was one night listening to some guys on ESSB with great sounding 
> signals and watching them on the P3, but another station comes up 
> tight to them and start complaining they were wiping them out etc. I 
> dialed down on to the complainers freq and I could not hear the ESSB 
> guys at all.
>
> As for people responding "They don't care" some of that comes from far 
> too many trying to assert some imaginary authority over another. (like 
> the guy who drives at or below the speed limit in the passing lane). 
> In time they just stop caring because so many times the person 
> accusing them of being wide etc is either a busybody or does not have 
> their own gear set up right. Sadly that in and of itself becomes a 
> problem because now those folks (who may actually have a poor signal) 
> become closed to true constructive criticism and they go on with a 
> poor signal.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: David Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 10:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Data mode and filters
>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Honestly, my first question to you would be how is YOUR radio setup, and
> how strong was my signal at your location? Are you overloading?  Were
> you running with the Attenuator on, did you have AGC on, etc.
>
> I have heard many, many people accuse another ham of being broad, when
> they were just strong, not wide.
>
> When I send out a report to another ham, about wide signals, I include a
> snap shot from the P3, with a good signal at the same strength as the
> offending signal.  That way the person knows that his/her signal is
> different from a signal that is the same strength, on the same screen,
> at the same time.
>
> That sort of ends all questions along the lines of the one above I
> listed.
>
> I am a bit surprised some folks actually responded that they did not
> care...  Ham radio has changed a lot over the past 40 years...
>
> David Cole <mailto:dave at nk7z.net>
> Friday, May 08, 2015 9:13 PM
> Hi Jim,
>
> Honestly, my first question to you would be how is YOUR radio setup, and
> how strong was my signal at your location? Are you overloading? Were
> you running with the Attenuator on, did you have AGC on, etc.
>
> I have heard many, many people accuse another ham of being broad, when
> they were just strong, not wide.
>
> When I send out a report to another ham, about wide signals, I include a
> snap shot from the P3, with a good signal at the same strength as the
> offending signal. That way the person knows that his/her signal is
> different from a signal that is the same strength, on the same screen,
> at the same time.
>
> That sort of ends all questions along the lines of the one above I
> listed.
>
> I am a bit surprised some folks actually responded that they did not
> care... Ham radio has changed a lot over the past 40 years...
>


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